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Instead of looking at social media/dating apps all day, go outside: to the park, Walmart, the grocery store, and look at what % of people walking around you find super hot. Unless you live in an area that has a higher % of conventionally hot people than average, most people likely aren't going to be top tier. I will say social media has increased pressure in both genders to compete. But super hot people are still outliers.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 03:36 PM
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not have excessive looks standard with women I think this is key, to be honest. The men I know who are the most successful having quantity of casual sex aren't too fussy about the woman's looks. They'll bang an 8 Friday, then a 5 Wednesday, then a 7 Monday. Whatever is available. Even top tier small town guys (not famous celebrities/rich dudes) are not constantly pulling in 9s and 10s usually.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/21 02:27 PM
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Yeah, I think a lot of men don't realize what they're asking for requires a lot of time/money. If a man wants a smoking hot wife into her 50s, she needs to have time to exercise consistently away from children, work, and him. If a man wants a submissive wife who will do all the housework, he needs to pay the bills. He needs to be the provider, because she still needs time to relax away from the children in order to not lose her sanity.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/21 05:17 PM
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3 hours a week and you can get a 6 pack? I would've figured it took much more time.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/21 02:27 PM
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You might be right, but I'd be curious to see data on how many states a family could comfortably survive (even with tight budgeting) on 40k a year. And on top of that, 40k is average, with a sizable % of men falling way below that. In those cases, it's not even in the realm of possibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/21 02:16 PM
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I brought it up to prove a point about men typically having a much different picture in their head about what "average" looks like. I know men also have a weight problem, it wasn't relevant to the conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/21 02:14 PM
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The truth though is most men can't afford feminine, submissive, cooperative women. Literally. The average man in the US makes 40k a year. That's not enough $ in many places to raise a family off of comfortably. On top of that, despite the majority of women working in marriages, women still do most of the household chores. Source: https://news.gallup.com/poll/283979/women-handle-main-household-tasks.aspx
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/21 02:09 PM
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I think part of this though has to do with how much more difficult it is to "up" your attractiveness score as a man in the short-term. Women can wear light makeup, heels, a form-fitting dress, style their hair in many more ways, etc. On top of that, they might need to workout and diet to maintain a slim figure, but usually not to the extent men have to. A guy really needs to put in a lot of time in the gym to get a 6 pack. A guy can't change his height. There's much more limited hairstyles. Form…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/21 01:58 PM
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This all day. The "average" woman in the US is 5'3 and 170 lbs, there's no way most men find that woman hot. Men just have high libidos on average, and they orgasm easier than women do, so if it's easy and available they'll take it. Their "looks" bar for a relationship is much higher than the women they're willing to fuck a few times.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/21 01:48 PM
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I mostly eat on a keto diet, and I can't tell you how often I get mocked for not eating a lot of carbs/sugar. I get weird looks when running down the block. I almost can't eat out anywhere without substituting certain things because everything is sugar. The US absolutely promotes this culture.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/21 06:19 PM
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You absolutely can, but most men will not go that extra mile. And the keyword is easily. A lot of men find hiring a photographer and/or planning a day to take better photos "too much effort." Also, the two biggest factors for men who aren't top tier looks to attract more women IMO are proximity and preselection. Proximity meaning we're in person together often, we build rapport/familiarity. Preselection meaning you're validated by others, especially women. Some men try to show this off on apps b…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/21 02:54 PM
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My 2c: There's a multitude of things that make men attractive initially to women. Things like: preselection status physical appearance proximity charisma confidence ambition Notice how only 1 of those things can be easily displayed on dating apps, physical appearance. Yes, you can try to display some of the other stuff but many men aren't great at marketing. This is why most average men on apps struggle. Women are basing their decisions off the only thing easily presented, looks. In person, I se…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/21 01:58 PM
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I feel like if you've only been on Tinder for a month and already have been on multiple dates, you're likely not average. You're probably at least slightly above it, if not more.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/21 01:43 PM
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The thing is, even though men's physical appearance standards are higher on social media/dating apps, in real life they aren't. I see average guys pulling chicks at bars, clubs, through friend circles, etc. Sure, it might not be the exact caliber of woman you want, but the opportunity is there. And any guy who works out and has style in regards to clothing is already doing better than most. Charismatic average guys get laid often.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/21 06:53 PM
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Hmm...... To play devil's advocate, I'm fairly positive I would lose a significant amount of interest as a woman from men if I cut my long hair short. Hairstyles, lengths, and colors can play a very big role in attraction. I'm also someone who finds hipster guys with longer hair attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/21 06:40 PM
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There's so many OTHER factors that men don't take into account that contribute to how soon a woman has sex. Environment and whether the guy has "game" are two big ones. Many women have a "reactive" libido. The guys looks isn't the only/main determining factor of whether she fucks him: it's how he moves, talks, makes her feel in the moment etc... A coffee date is going to have a different energy than meeting at a nightclub. A guy who's suave and charismatic is going to get more action than a guy …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/21 01:39 AM
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I completely agree with this. The hotter up the scale you are, the more leverage you have in the dating market. You can afford to be more selective because you have more options. Not to mention people will generally be nicer to you, give you more effort, etc. Sometimes I, unfortunately, feel like the unattractive women take what they can get just so they can be in a relationship. The best thing you can do as a woman is looksmax yourself on top of working on your internal growth.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/21 01:18 PM
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Yup.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/21 01:20 AM
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I would absolutely watch this.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 11:05 PM
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This seems contradictory to what Myron says "most men want" though, doesn't it? He states over and over that men don't want women with a past.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 10:58 PM
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I get what you're saying, but it's becoming very popular so I would say that group is rising quickly. They've doubled their audience to almost half a million in the last few months.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 10:53 PM
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I don't think so, but that would be interesting. I've spoken to many friends who will date the most unstable, crazy women just because she's hot, and then complain later. I wonder if they've analyzed their mate selections.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 10:51 PM
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Absolutely. My point was that when women come on that "are" the requirements the men say they want for a gf/wife, they're usually called boring or "not fun." They shame that archetype but then also shame the women who are not that archetype. It's just revenge porn of women they hate but want to bang.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 10:41 PM
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Why don't fat men? 40% of women in the US are morbidly obese, but 35% of men are as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/21 02:59 PM
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A guy I'm friends with has almost exclusively dated bigger women. He's tall and reasonably in shape. This might sound bad/funny but he openly admits it's because they put more effort in on average: with sex, the relationship itself, etc. He likes being the hotter one in the relationship because he has more leverage.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/21 03:57 PM
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I think if working out/fitness is important to you, you should date women who already meet those standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/21 03:52 PM
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lmao I'm a woman. You get matches because you're hot. Not a 6-7 at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/21 05:14 PM
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I can get tons of matches via dating apps but still prefer feeling out sometimes vibe by organically meeting in person. It's just better -- you can almost immediately tell if you're going to get along, and you actually build up in-person conversation skills.
/r/seduction22/08/20 01:25 PM
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I agree with this. As a woman I'm constantly being told I'm cute. It's flattering the first 25 times that I hear it, but a lot of women are looking for an actual connection. If we agree to a coffee date, we want to have at least some indication that we would click.
/r/seduction10/06/20 09:35 PM
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I'm a woman and agree with all of this. The problem isn't porn, it's realizing that porn isn't education. It's entertainment, and it's mostly cater to men. Most porn doesn't prioritize the woman's pleasure - it's all about the guy. Most women only come from clitoral stimulation, not PIV. Many women need oral sex to get in the mood. The recipe for porn generally goes - long ass blowjob, PIV, cumshot, and portrays the woman screaming in pleasure. A lot of guys use porn as education and then don't …
/r/seduction08/06/20 02:26 PM
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I like how men always bring up that OkCupid study about how "women find 80% of men less attractive than average" and start tearing them down for being 'too picky', but then comments like this are upvoted. 90% of chicks are hideous under their makeup (sorry but true) Is it really true, or is your perception of what women should look like tainted because of social media?
/r/seduction02/06/20 10:09 PM
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It really is. The main issue I have as a woman with apps is that I'd be willing to meet a lot of my matches if it could happen like it happens in person - we have a casual conversation for a few minutes at a bar, and if either of us aren't into it we're free to walk away. But when you're actually planning to meet somebody from an app, the expectation generally is that you're hanging out for at least an hour. I get anxious about about the idea of having food with someone for hours I already know …
/r/seduction02/06/20 09:57 PM
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I commented below as well and you shit on my advice. Don't assume things about people. You don't know who's on the other end of the keyboard.
/r/seduction21/05/20 04:39 AM
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Is it an obvious joke? Maybe the reason you're not successful is because you're not good at hiding your hatred towards women. Your post history is a piece of work, man. Your personality is contributing to your lack of success with women. You think it's all about looks but it's not. I'm a woman who's boned plenty of guys I wasn't initially attracted to because they approached me and I really like their demeanor. Not everyone is blessed with the genes of a god, but that doesn't mean that you shoul…
/r/seduction21/05/20 04:16 AM
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looks determine who "gets" sex Looks give people an advantage for sure, but what actually "determines" your success getting sex with women is how many times you approach and make your interest known.
/r/seduction21/05/20 03:20 AM
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Men try to do a shot-gun approach which is incompatible with the way women tend to use the apps. You may think you're saving time by writing the most generic profile, and trying to match with or sending a copypasta to every attractive woman in a 25 mile radius... but you're not saving time, you're wasting it. Men need to filter in the same way that women filter. If you're looking for a hook up and she's looking for a relationship, next. If you don't find her attractive enough to actually want to…
/r/seduction18/05/20 09:36 PM
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"The dating sites", AKA one dating site, OkCupid. Guys love to pull up this study without also mentioning that even though women rated that amount of men as below average physically, their actual messaging patterns were only slightly ahead of the curve. Most of the women were still going for people within their league/average. If you want another data point: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9V3fLUSQFM skip to 9:30, they talked to a data analyst of Tinder. The data showed that most men swipe on a…
/r/seduction14/05/20 03:35 PM
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This might be true in general, but this is a super rare case. People are being forced to stay inside and interact with as few people in person as possible. Women who usually would get bored by online-only interaction don't have any other choice and don't have a lot to do since everything is shut down. My perspective is this is the perfect time to actually utilize the dating apps and try to form a real connection while you guys have the time. If you can do that you'll probably get lucky once this…
/r/seduction27/03/20 02:19 PM
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So you dated one stripper and that means you can generalize all of them now?
/r/seduction25/02/20 03:41 AM
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IMO as someone who occasionally visits SC's, it only lowers the incentive if you become reliant on them. Kind of like fast food vs cooking at home - it's easier and more convenient to eat fast food all the time but it isn't good for you. However occasionally indulging is perfectly okay, and I think people should if they want to. Sometimes it's not about dating - it's just an animalistic desire to bang/be a sexual context with women, and if that option is sometimes more easily accessible your des…
/r/seduction24/02/20 11:51 PM
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If a random guy approaches her, the main things that matter... are her mood, and whether or not she is currently open to flirting with a random guy his demeanor, and whether she finds him physically attractive. FIFY Technique matters.
/r/seduction06/02/20 03:00 AM
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Most girls I’ve talked to on these apps are well below my attractiveness rating and still ghost/lose interest. I peeped your post history and just out of genuine curiosity, what do you think your 'attractiveness level' is? Cause I can tell you in my opinion where I think you're failing here. Yeah you're attractive, especially for your age, but who on apps are you targeting? Are you interested in women around your age or only much younger? Even being hot, a woman in her 20s is usually always goin…
/r/seduction02/01/20 08:06 PM
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Use eharmony or match for that. Women in their early 20s are not going to be using eHarmony or Match regardless of what they're looking for. Those sites skew older. There's tons of people on Tinder and Bumble looking for long-term relationships and there's no use in denying that.
/r/seduction02/01/20 07:49 PM
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What are you doing after the dates? Are you following up the next day about getting together again? Showing the same level of enthusiasm as you were before you met in person? Keeping the same momentum? In the past when I've gone on dates from apps, sometimes it's been a fun date but I don't really know if the long-term compatibility is there. If that's the case, I probably won't reach out to the level that I did before meeting... HOWEVER if the guy seems really enthusiastic about meeting again, …
/r/seduction02/01/20 07:11 PM
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if you're not her type, nothing you do or say will change her mind. She's simply not 'sexually' attracted to you. This is not true for everyone. I've met tons of men who I wasn't initially attracted to, but their personality and demeanor drew me in later on. This won't be the case for everyone, but it happens often.
/r/seduction29/12/19 07:20 PM
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Still feel like this furthers OP's point. You stuck around with a girl for two years who you had bad sex and chemistry with just because she was hot. Then you match with a girl you don't consider attractive but hey she's good enough for a quick fuck, and she has to have an amazing personality to convince you to overlook it. I think in your case we could add: Their wives aren't attractive because they could never get a smoking hot woman who also has an amazing personality to marry them in a milli…
/r/seduction26/12/19 06:07 PM
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While I do believe life is live and learn, I feel like this kind of only furthers OP's point, doesn't it? You stayed with a bratty girl that you found boring for 3 years(!!!) just because she had a good body. I feel like a lot of people ask the same question - why are conventionally hot people often selfish/boring/vapid and the answer is "because they don't have to work on their personality and people will still date them."
/r/seduction26/12/19 02:27 PM
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Did you take them to those types of places on first dates? Just want to bring you guys back to this post... https://old.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/bmyi8t/a_girl_goes_on_the_most_amazing_date_of_her_life/ My opinion? Going on crazy, unconventional days is not a good idea for the beginning stages. You want to go to places where you can actually get to know each other, not just rely on the experience to reel somebody in. At the end of the day I can have a lot of fun with a person, but if I can…
/r/seduction24/12/19 08:24 PM
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Hey, I say this as a woman - whatever you've got to initially do! I see this a lot - guys on Tinder will have their main photo (or all photos) taken with their hot guy friend. I don't know if it's just an initial strategy to get more matches, but they're really shooting themselves in the foot doing that. Same if they're always going to bars/clubs with their hotter friend(s). If I'm going out to try to flirt with guys, I'm either going to go alone or with friends who are not considerably more aes…
/r/seduction21/12/19 07:10 PM
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and she can go fuck every other guy on the planet. I'm pretty sure you wouldn't be a polyamorous woman's type in the first place with your rampant slut-shaming, so no worries there. Monogamy is a valid option. If you want a woman to be sexually exclusive with, that's absolutely valid. But a woman who desires non-monogamy and likes to fuck is also valid in her desires. I wrap it up always, get tested often, and have open communication with my sexual partners. Crazy thought guys, women can like se…
/r/seduction21/12/19 12:44 AM
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I'm a woman and this is me. Sometimes I smile and laugh when I'm uncomfortable. It's also a way to reject an advance that I feel is coming on too strong too soon without seeming like I'm not into the person. I don't know how I'd feel about being super touchy feely on a coffee date.
/r/seduction20/12/19 10:16 PM
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That was exactly my point, you elaborated it perfectly.
/r/seduction10/12/19 03:54 AM
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I completely agree that women on average are a lot more forgiving about looks because they highly value things like personality. For the most part with guys, if it's a no it's a no. But I still think that everybody has a baseline. I wouldn't date someone significantly overweight regardless of their personality, things like that. You don't have to turn heads when you walk in a room, but I can't be aesthetically repulsed by you. You're probably also average to decent-looking. Don't sell yourself s…
/r/seduction09/12/19 08:30 PM
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+1
/r/seduction09/12/19 07:45 PM
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Oooo, here's a hot take I can agree with. It's honestly similar for guys too. It's attractive to play an instrument... If you're hot. It's attractive to be educated... If you're hot. It's attractive to have a great sense of humor... If you're hot. Now of course attractiveness is subjective, but everyone usually has a baseline and if you don't meet the minimum threshold of physical attraction to that person, it usually won't matter what other qualities you have. Most people are average people who…
/r/seduction09/12/19 06:44 PM
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My 2c is the actual appeal of "bad boys" is other traits that come with the territory - confidence, a sense of humor, a social circle, a little bit of mystery, non-neediness, and often a unique sense of style. It's not about treating someone like shit and manipulating them into liking you. It's just about showing to them that you want them, but don't need them.
/r/seduction09/12/19 06:15 PM
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A lot of people on this sub are just looking to enhance their social skills and luck with getting women sexually interested in them. Many people here are socially awkward. It's cool that you found a method that works for you, and if someone is looking for something long term or a serious relationship, your advice is gold. But if they're just trying to talk to more women, to ignite a flirty spark, to have more sexual experience, it's easier at a bar or club. You have to crawl sometimes before you…
/r/seduction09/12/19 05:17 AM
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I agree that dinner isn't a good first date. I guess all I'm trying to say is if you're struggling having sex going on coffee or park dates, it might be because those generally aren't the type of environments that get people horny. If it works for you though go for it.
/r/seduction09/12/19 12:06 AM
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TLDR: I value physical attraction over every other characteristic in a person, and I'm upset that conventionally attractive people do the same.
/r/seduction08/12/19 10:51 PM
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Stick to coffee shops and free walks in the park and other such activities. I'm a woman and I just want to say that I'd veto a date with a guy who only wanted to meet for coffee or walk in the park for a first date. I don't find it sexy at all. I prefer drink dates - you don't have to pay for my drinks but if you're not willing to pay for yours and only want to do free things, I'd consider that stingy. We can absolutely choose cheaper food/drink places and cheaper events, you don't have to spend…
/r/seduction08/12/19 10:48 PM
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the uglier girls are easier targets It's a bad idea to approach girls you're not that attracted to (unless you're just focusing on social skills) because then if they reject you, you're going to feel even worse about yourself.
/r/seduction08/12/19 05:51 PM
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Just want to say as an actual woman, with a not new account, who's open-minded and sexually forward this comment is on the money, and the reason for that is: Telling a woman she’s beautiful and you’d like to get to know her better. You're making it about her. Whistling at a girl on the street and calling her names. You're making it about you. When a woman seems interested in you (key sentence), just grabbing her and trying to kiss her. You're making it about you both. Following a woman for three…
/r/seduction06/12/19 07:50 PM
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My point wasn't to say that no attractive women can have great personalities or would date OP. My point was simply that people are shaped by their experience, and it's possible this woman might not have the personality she has if she were hotter.
/r/seduction30/11/19 07:00 AM
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If it weren't for her looks I'd date the fuck outta her. Yeah but who's to say she would date you if she were hotter? That's not intended to be a snarky question, that's just reality. People tend to mold their personalities based on their experiences, and if she were hotter she too would be getting guys approaching her left and right. Maybe because of that she wouldn't have the same openness or conversation skills or drive to succeed, you never know. The reality of the situation is that finding …
/r/seduction30/11/19 03:57 AM
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Most of pick up and game as I see it presented is emotionally abusing someone into becoming obsessed with you And that's my issue with a lot of this sub. Advice that's actually healthy and great for seduction and just living life in general (not always being available, having hobbies/a social life, knowing your worth, not putting all your eggs in one basket, etc) often turns into how to be emotionally abusive/manipulative. I know both men and women who use tactics in the video, constantly have a…
/r/seduction29/11/19 10:13 PM
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turns out she’s the village bicycle she’s sex oriented, not relationship oriented. And so many of you guys wonder why more women don't want to casually hook up as much as you do. It's one thing to ask about her sexual health practices, STD testing /condom usage, communicate about your intentions (whether you want a relationship or just something casual), and ask her if she wants to be monogamous or non... but to treat her as if she's some sort of subhuman just because her sexual kinks might not …
/r/seduction29/11/19 06:11 AM
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almost every guy on Tinder thinks the same way. People are individual and the mentality that you're promoting is toxic. Men do and can desire sex without looking at women as simply a flesh-light to get off. That's why so many guys ghost you once they get the sex. Yeah, I don't hook up with guys after the first date anymore and that's exactly why. As a lady with a high libido who doesn't want to get killed and stuffed in freezer, it takes me a while to get comfortable with somebody. If I'm going …
/r/seduction29/11/19 03:26 AM
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I don't want to invest time into you. I want to go out with as many cute girls as possible. If I took each one out to dinner, my wallet would be empty. I get where you're coming from, but Tinder is a hookup app. I'm not there to find my soulmate. LOL @ 'home by date three'. Your mentality is super unappealing - I'm not sure how old you are or the types of women you're trying to target, but I know that neither I or my female friends would be interested in going on a date with you. Trust me, I'm a…
/r/seduction29/11/19 02:49 AM
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Two weeks later she texted him out of the blue. This proves girls want a guy who will lead and aggressively pursue her to come out. ... One anecdote proves what all girls want? lol
/r/seduction27/11/19 08:15 PM
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Women don't want to be betrayed, lied to, or treated as an after thought. If you prove to them that you're just not that guy, then they present a freedom of self. This. As a woman, I don't care if you talk to multiple women. What I care about is if you're relatively consistent/honest - when we make plans you'll follow through on them, you won't always use me as a back-up plan/convenience, you won't consistently try to booty-call me at 3 in the morning. You won't tell me you want a relationship i…
/r/seduction23/11/19 07:37 PM
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We're talking about casual hookups not birthing children. Women have a right to vote and work now. Be willing to be better. Just stop trying to justify slut-shaming.
/r/seduction01/11/19 02:39 AM
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???? Would you not feel good about yourself if you slept with 20 women? If the answer isn't yes, that's a double standard and exactly the reason less women are willing to hookup more.
/r/seduction31/10/19 08:14 PM
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It's one guy. It happens. You're not going to pursue and never get rejected. Now try the same method with 9 more guys. You'll have some success.
/r/seduction06/06/19 05:53 PM
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Nah. The date itself wasn't the problem but the effort put into the date absolutely was. If they had gone to Dave and Buster's or an actual arcade place, IMO it would've been different from doing it in his basement with him making them 'custom tokens with their names on it.' It's just too much effort for a third date. The date itself was a wonderful impression, but the impression in context is saying, "After only 2 coffee dates, I'm already invested in you and you're already a huge, if not the m…
/r/seduction10/05/19 05:18 PM
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I (f) admit I find this post kind of funny, as she doesn't want to go on another date with him but found his effort flattering, but honestly? It's not surprising. You gotta think, this is the only the third date and the other ones were just getting coffee. IMHO, this is way too much effort for a third date. Especially the 'custom tokens with her name on them.' This is the kind of date I think would be cute for an anniversary, an exclusive relationship, not 3 dates in on Tinder. It's too try-hard…
/r/seduction10/05/19 03:37 PM
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I'm a woman who approaches men first, asks for their number before they leave, ect. I've never had a problem with this approach.
/r/seduction01/05/19 02:39 AM
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Please upvote this comment if you're a guy who would be attracted to a girl you're attracted to making the first move.
/r/seduction30/04/19 06:49 PM
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Why do you assume that you getting rejected is solely because guys want to make the first move? There could be a number of reasons. Maybe the guy has a girlfriend. Maybe you're not his type. Rejection is part of the process, even for women, and that's why so many women don't want to be the ones who approach. But it has nothing to do with guys "wanting" to make the first move. I'm a woman who makes the first move frequently. I start conversations with guys I meet at events/bars/whatever. And the …
/r/seduction30/04/19 05:02 PM
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I'm a woman, and if a hot guy walked up to me at a bar and said, "Hey, want to come back to my place and suck my dick?" I would still think he is creepy. I won't deny being hot will get you away with more from more people, but there are behaviors that are considered creepy by the vast majority regardless of who it's by.
/r/seduction26/04/19 05:13 PM
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I love fun trips to getting murdered in an alleyway!
/r/seduction24/04/19 02:35 AM
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Hi, woman here giving advice, and I'm just gonna be real with you here. Really conventionally attractive guys, or the "10s" as you like to call them, usually have options and lots of them. There's nothing wrong with wanting to date someone out of your physical "league" or aiming high, but getting a hottie is probably going to require initial effort on your end. I read the comments about being 5'3 and 170 lbs. You're probably not an 8.5 in terms of conventional attractiveness. I know that sounds …
/r/seduction17/04/19 11:32 PM
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Most A lot of people want to be chased so they're in a position of power, while at the same time wanting someone who's slightly "unattainable" because they find it 'boring' to get what they want immediately. Can't have it both ways.
/r/seduction15/04/19 05:02 PM
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Are you dating him monogamously? As in, are you two exclusive, or just casually dating right now? If you're just casually dating at the moment, my honest advice is to keep your life busy. Fill it with friends, hobbies, socializing, passions. If you're thinking about him too often in your free time, find something else to do. Too much free time leads to overthinking. I also suggest if you two aren't mono yet, to have a rotation. Yes, I said it, have a rotation. If you're into partying or bars occ…
/r/seduction14/04/19 09:19 PM
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Even if some men enjoy being submissive in the dynamic, that doesn't mean all do, and that also doesn't mean that what turns them on in the bedroom is how they are on a day to day basis. Submission depending on the sexual situation turns me on sometimes, but am I a submissive person in other areas of my life? No. The only thing greater might be for the other guy to take you against your will. You absolutely cannot compare a consensual cuckholding dynamic that you desire and derive pleasure from,…
/r/seduction13/04/19 02:12 AM
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I never meant to imply their thoughts have less value than mine. Anyone can absolutely have an opinion on sexual behaviors and kinks. I just think if you're wondering what attracts women to men who enjoy being cuckholded, or if you're curious how cuckholding works, it's better to ask a cuckholding sub than this one, where your demographic is predominantly men who have never tried or been into this dynamic. Lots of people into cuckholding are also into other things like swinging or sharing, that'…
/r/seduction12/04/19 10:46 PM
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Bisexual woman here who's into kink and group sex, some of which include MFM. This sub is probably the worst place to talk about kink/cuckholding. Most people here can't even get one girl so of course they will freak the fuck out if "their" girl fucks other guys. There's absolutely nothing wrong with monogamy, and there's nothing wrong with open relationships either, but I wanna clear a few misconceptions: Women are attracted to dominant men who will protect them naturally and are turned off by …
/r/seduction12/04/19 09:20 PM
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How did people find out if other people were single before dating apps existed?
/r/seduction10/04/19 04:56 PM
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It's an absolutely great strategy for men in general. Most women do not have the exact opposite problem. The most common complaint I hear from my female friends, from women on forums, ect in regards to online dating apps is that men have lazy/low-effort approaches. "Hey, what's up?" "Hey, wanna hookup?" "Hey baby, come suck my dick" Approaching in person helps people work on their social and conversation skills. It helps people get used to rejection and not take it so personally when it happens.…
/r/seduction10/04/19 04:44 PM
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As for approaching in person in 2019, I'm really scared of MeToo and getting labeled as a creep. You don't even have to be sexual with a woman for that to happen. Women have a ton of power in that regard. Do they? When only 6% of actual rapists ever spend a day in jail...? (Source: RAINN.ORG) The vast, vast majority of women are not going to label you as a "creep" for starting casual conversation at a bar and asking for their number, even if they're not interested. The small % who might? Who car…
/r/seduction10/04/19 04:22 PM
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If it's not working for you and/or makes you frustrated, then stop doing it. Try another method. Seriously. The reason a 'dead average' woman gets the same results as a male supermodel on apps is because a large % of men mass-spam every woman in a 25-mile radius to play the numbers. There's a small % of men I find mind-blowingly hot, but a pretty large % of men I would absolutely date/bang if I found them average but liked their demeanor/personality, and they put some skin in the game by approac…
/r/seduction10/04/19 03:03 PM
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I agree with u/samsadvice in that most of these comments are crap. For reference: I'm a woman who hits on men at bars plenty. I mostly look for guys I have at least some commonality with who I'm attracted to physically for consistent FWBs situations. I'm not into one-offs or one night stands, so I usually approach with the goal of just making out that night or getting their number for later. Here's my tips. Watch how much you drink. A few drinks is cool, loosen up and have fun, getting sloshed o…
/r/seduction08/04/19 09:54 PM
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I don't suggest this method. Coming on too quick/strong will make a decent amount of guys think you're 1) too drunk or 2) easy/trying to fuck everyone at the bar. It might work but if it doesn't those guys are gonna think you're creepy. Coming on too strong isn't exclusively for men. Individualized interest is key. Not looking like you're just prowling the bar for some strange D.
/r/seduction08/04/19 08:53 PM
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"hey those pants look very becoming on you. Of course if I was on you, I'd be cumming too." Edit: Please don't actually use this line unless you're in a very crowded club where you can quickly run away if it turns out bad
/r/seduction08/04/19 08:48 PM
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Agreed. I feel like when men think of this scenario they automatically envision an attractive woman approaching them at a bar. In that case yeah it's super easy but if you're not attractive it's still difficult regardless of gender
/r/seduction08/04/19 08:41 PM
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Sometimes I get these annoying thoughts of accusing girl of lying about having a boyfriend Why would you even have these thoughts in the first place? If she says she has a boyfriend, it's either because she's not interested in you or because she actually has a boyfriend. In both situations, she's not interested in you. Women often say they have boyfriends because men respect other men more often than they respect women. That's the reality. A lot of guys respect a woman being "claimed" by a man m…
/r/seduction04/04/19 11:42 PM
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I like this comment because the ones above it seem to all be implying that women are driving all the "choosiness" and their standards are 100% behind the reason men aren't having as much sex. In reality, I think a lot of people's standards/perception of what they consider attractive have gone up because of social media and porn, regardless of gender.
/r/seduction30/03/19 05:21 PM
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I'm a woman, which I'm sure for many here that will discredit what I'm about to say ("Don't ask a fish how to catch them, ask a fishermen" and all that shit) but I'm also bisexual and approach women. IMHO, I think men use the whole "paying for women" a little too much. Depends on the women you're after but I'd never turn a guy down for conversation at a bar just because he didn't buy me drink. But often, when guys at bars have approached me, they didn't start a conversation with anything other t…
/r/seduction29/03/19 06:09 PM
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Can I be honest (although I'm a woman and I'm sure my take on this will be immediately discarded by most because of that).... I think both of what OP and OC said are right. I think it's a mix of both. Thinking about my experiences with men and being really honest with myself, yes, I've dropped everything to be with the "bad boy" who didn't give a shit and made zero effort. But eventually, if there wasn't enough positive to outweigh the negative, I would give up and leave the situation. Here's wh…
/r/seduction26/03/19 09:34 PM
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If he's in a relationship with you, he's sexually attracted to you. Some guys are just less vocal about it. Some guys aren't that experienced with sex/the build up. If you want to drive him wild, make him work for it. Start rubbing over his pants. Prolong it. Slowly go in his pants. Stroke him down there. Give him oral, and when he tries to lead it to sex smile and nod your head and whisper, "Come to me, show me how bad you want it." Make him work.
/r/seduction20/03/19 01:22 AM
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I mean, if someone's willing to talk to you for 4-8 weeks before meeting, then that sort of self-selects women who are already invested in you in the first place. I mean, how many woman have you had conversations with who didn't want to wait that long and the convo faded? Think about it - those could've been potentials. Also, stop going for ugly women. If you're not attracted to them, fucking them is a reflection on you and your low standards.
/r/seduction17/03/19 10:50 PM
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Got a secret about women: They don't like being "rated." Just find women you're attracted to and pursue them. They don't have to be the hottest woman you've ever seen. Go for women where you like their vibe. View each woman as an individual.
/r/seduction17/03/19 09:06 PM
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If a woman is drunk to the point of throwing up, don't try to seduce her. I don't think there's anything wrong with drinking a little to ease nerves, but it's not a good idea to attempt physicality with women who are sloshing their words or throwing up. There's a line you need to draw in the sand.
/r/seduction24/02/19 12:00 AM
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Just because you have feelings for someone and enjoy fucking them doesn't mean you two would be good in a serious relationship with each other. Tons of things can stop things progressing - different hobbies (I don't want to date someone where the only commonality is drinking and fucking), different life goals (if you want kids in a few years and I want to wait 10+ years), different mentalities (if one person is christian and the other atheist...you might work, but probably won't). Better to enjo…
/r/seduction17/02/19 02:05 PM
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I don't agree with your rule about not developing feelings, and if any feelings develop to STOP THE SEX IMMEDIATELY! Feelings happen. It's hard IMO to do an extremely intimate act that's literally meant for pair bonding and to not feel anything for that person. The FWB's I've had over the years have been people I really enjoyed hanging out with and fucking, but we had some incompatibilities that made us unequipped to be in a relationship with each other. As long as both parties understand/agree …
/r/seduction17/02/19 03:18 AM
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No, but I'd put an umbrella over me if I was walking outside and it was raining STIs.
/r/seduction17/02/19 03:07 AM
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Haha dude I had to reread that twice because I thought what you were saying was "On the first few dates, probably not a good idea to mention anything, UNLESS you're married - then yes, tell your date you're married, because you'll either grow closer or discover she's not right for you"
/r/seduction16/02/19 01:16 AM
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I'm a woman here to give you our secrets ;) First off, while some women might mean it when they say "no hookups," it's more of a vetting measure than anything. Tons of women are for FWB's situations. What we're NOT down for generally is feeling pressured into sex immediately, dickpics without knowing you first, or to hookup once and then to get ghosted. I've had ONS's before when I was drunk and horny. But I prefer a small rotation of people I know for FWB's situations vs ONS's. The sex is usual…
/r/seduction15/02/19 01:40 AM
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The game with women is different when you're a woman dating women. Women aren't overly cautious of you. If you wanted sexual exploration with a woman, you could find it relatively easy on most apps given the amount of bi-curious women now. Sexual openness from a woman to another woman is generally not viewed as "creepy." It's just not the same.
/r/seduction13/02/19 01:30 AM
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I'm a 23 year old woman too, and I'm also bisexual. And I know your questions aren't directed at me but I want to answer em anyway, and maybe see if any guys agree. I want to have sex with women. I want confidence. I want foreplay. I want female touch. I'm starving for it. I'm starving to feel desired by women, and so often with women being the recipients of sexual desire and men being the ones giving it, I can totally understand the need for the "game." If I only dated women, I would rarely fee…
/r/seduction13/02/19 01:24 AM
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It gives me time to vet the girl, decide if I actually like her Yes. OP, I see this problem a lot. Men will pursue any (attractive) woman indiscriminately, and they're viewing it through the lens of "How do I get her to have sex with me?/How do I get a second date?" ect. They're so fixated on being the type of guy who can get sex/dates with a woman that they don't even consider if they even actually like the woman they're trying for in the first place. And you might say, well you don't need to l…
/r/seduction10/02/19 07:53 PM
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I think you should prepare for the high probability of this turning out bad. I mean even if she doesn't get weirded out by your advances with her friend right outside (high probability), who's to say she would be down for a threesome? You might not have trouble seducing women in 1-on-1 situations, but this is a different ballgame. The statistical probability of her being sexually attracted to both of you and down to have a threesome randomly is very unlikely. You miss 100% of the shots you don't…
/r/seduction09/02/19 07:16 PM
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Hi, I'm a woman. Most women cum from their clit, not their vagina. Most guys have around a 6 inch penis, which gets vastly overestimated online. Women want a guy who enjoys pleasing, oral, fingering, using toys on her, working her clit, ect. Your penis is not the end all be all. And guys who think it is are terrible in bed.
/r/seduction08/02/19 02:35 PM
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No, I said I'd have to be really attracted. Also, I'm mostly into alt looking skinny guys, so not "Chad" or a model. I'm just being honest, and giving you my perspective. No, I'm probably not going to approach a guy first I'm "meh" about. Now could that guy approach me and possibly win me over with his confidence? Absolutely. Women on average just don't have the same desire to play the numbers. We'll hit on guys first we really like, we're really attracted to, or who we feel a spark with.
/r/seduction07/02/19 06:08 AM
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Thank you :) A big part of it is that I'm bisexual and once I started actively looking for women to date/hookup with, I realized all the same things men complain about with passiveness and not being confident/direct. I wanted to be complimented by women, to be an object of desire, and rarely am even in queer crowds. But then I realized that I'm passive too and part of the problem. So I became the change I wanted to see.
/r/seduction07/02/19 01:42 AM
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Yes, and then offer to buy them a drink if we're at a bar. Sometimes I'll be at a club with a concert going on or a themed night which can be a casual topic of discussion. Then compliments. The last guy who I'm talking to now I asked for his number.
/r/seduction07/02/19 12:34 AM
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I guess my question is, why does it matter? I notice you call women who pursue men first "trouble"- why is that? I sure can understand the being dishonest part - no one wants to entertain someone who's manipulating and lying to them. But you mention "GF material" and tbh, most men on this sub seem to be wanting to get 'game' to get laid more than they want a girlfriend, at least at this point in their life. So why can't a woman do the same - pursue a man she's interested in for a heat of the mom…
/r/seduction06/02/19 10:01 PM
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In the same way you hate always having to put in all the effort, so do women. I'm not afraid to make the first move, but I wouldn't fuck a guy who wanted me to always start the convo or couldn't put in any first effort. You want to feel desired, so do women.
/r/seduction06/02/19 09:38 PM
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This isn't true. Many heterosexual couples who have been together for years stop having sex or having it frequently too. I think it's just a product of complacency and boredom in relationships, where people don't try as hard to keep a sexual spark ignited. Straight women don't want sex any less than men do, but we're more selective about our partners because we don't get any validation from "getting" sex from a man like men do with women. Let's face it, lots of men view sex from women as a "rewa…
/r/seduction06/02/19 07:08 PM
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Because finding men (or women) who are "the total package" is rare. People have to compromise. People choose what they're willing to compromise on. For LTR, women prioritize stability and reliability over looks.
/r/seduction06/02/19 07:01 PM
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I think you just explained a large part of why women don't though - because lots of guys make the automatic assumption they're slutty and that if they were good "relationship material," they'd wait for you to make the first move.
/r/seduction06/02/19 06:48 PM
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I'm a woman who has hit on guys first plenty of times. Hell, the only reason I'm even talking to the current guy I am is because I approached him first at a bar. Women hit on guys, but I think we're much less likely to do the "shotgun" approach like a lot of men do. We'll approach a guy first if we're really, really attracted. A lot of men would hit on a woman he finds average looking just to play the numbers, and I think women are way less likely to do that.
/r/seduction06/02/19 03:54 PM
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You're right to an extent but this isn't 100% true. There are some men that no matter what, I'll just never be physically attracted to. No amount of confidence and kindness is going to make me find someone I don't find physically attractive at all attractive. But there's tons and tons and tons of men I wouldn't have swiped "right" on an app based off looks alone that have been able to win me over with their demeanor. Men I consider physically "average" or not really my type who are fun to be aro…
/r/seduction05/02/19 08:05 PM
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Women are more selective on dating apps than in person. Women receive hundreds of messages a week on sites like OkCupid, giving them the illusion of choice. If an attractive woman goes to a bar, sure, she might get hit on by a few guys over the course of a night. But it's not going to be hundreds of "choices" like on dating apps. And she's already at the bar having a good time, so it's convenient. You have a much higher chance of being able to keep her attention and work your personality in ther…
/r/seduction05/02/19 07:07 PM
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No, it sounds crude either way. Just delete it.
/r/seduction03/02/19 08:40 PM
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No, she doesn't sound like she's into you. She sounds like she ran across your profile and is giving you a heads up, and rightfully so. Even if a woman has crude humor, that "joke" will steer them away if they don't know you. It makes you look creepy. And also, appearing jaded on dating apps isn't an attractive quality. It's synonymous with women's profiles saying they're tired of fuckboys and looking for a "real man." Instead of going on about what you don't like, tell them what you do like.
/r/seduction03/02/19 07:25 PM
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If a guy came up to me at a bar and the first thing he said to me was "You look really fine!" or "Hey sexy" I would immediately be disinterested regardless of how attractive I found him. I agree with OP's advice, but not yours. Within the first minute is too soon to be as direct as you're saying. You need to sprinkle in flirting before you go full-force immediately, or a lot of women are going to find you creepy and overbearing.
/r/seduction01/02/19 08:56 PM
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I really appreciate this. Thank you.
/r/seduction12/12/18 03:58 AM
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Nope. I'm attracted to confidence regardless of gender or masculine/feminine.
/r/seduction12/12/18 12:57 AM
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Nope. Confidence and similar hobbies, with a willingness to treat me well.
/r/seduction11/12/18 10:42 PM
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High school is catty and petty, agreed. I'm talking more towards adults. You have to be able to accept rejection. Some people will be rude, so? Those aren't the type of people you want to talk to anyway. What exactly does a confident and fun guy do differently than other guys you claim are unconfident or boring? They have friends. They have hobbies. They do stuff with people, with men, with women, they don't do stuff with the sole objective of getting laid. They have fun, they talk to people reg…
/r/seduction11/12/18 08:38 PM
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Where did you get that stat? Was it the OkCupid study that was done a few years ago? Because in my opinion, women put more weight on personality than looks. Yes, I do agree that on dating apps where looks are front and center women are picky. But in person, there's plenty of men I didn't think were Adondis but had sex with or dated because they were confident and fun to be around.
/r/seduction11/12/18 06:42 PM
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Woman here. When women communicate "too much" interest, they get the rep of being 'clingy' and 'needy.' Because men are taught/conditioned to be the "pursuers," usually if they like a woman they will. They'll text first. They'll make the first move. Want to change that? Communicate. Next time you start talking to a girl, ask her what qualities she likes in a guy (either from an app or naturally slide it into conversation). When she asks you what qualities you like in a girl, you say "I think it'…
/r/seduction11/12/18 02:34 PM
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Don't bring logic into this! /s
/r/seduction11/12/18 07:48 AM
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But would YOU want to date someone who only likes you for your looks and nothing else? You're right. And I think the fact you're right is part of the bigger problem here. There's a random horde of men who will mass spam EVERY woman. They want the validation of "getting" sex/dates with a woman, ANY woman, and they'd be trying just as hard if that woman was the antithesis of everything they liked in a person. If you really want to experience the "woman" experience, make a woman's profile on a dati…
/r/seduction11/12/18 07:41 AM
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Get her number???
/r/seduction18/12/17 04:17 AM
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Lower your standards. Before you downvote and argue me on it, hear me out. You're only looking for sex or a FWB, not a relationship, correct? If that's the case, you've narrowed your options to girls looking for just sex. You already admitted you're picky based on personality, and by the sound of you ranking the girl you almost slept with an 8.5, it sounds like you're picky on looks too. You don't want "average" women but average is most of the population... That's why it's average. If you're lo…
/r/seduction17/12/17 12:01 AM
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I think the person who asks the other person to go out should pay. And that usually happens to be the guy. I know you think you're trying to be equal and progressive, but if you're actually trying to make a good impression and seduce her, telling the waitor to "split the bill" is gonna leave a bad taste.
/r/seduction10/12/17 03:17 PM
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So much THIS. I don't understand why guys on this sub have a mentality that paying for the lunch/dinner frames them as a beta. Of course, if you go on a date or a few, and it's apparent she's more interested in you providing than you as a person, drop her- but my god, when I'm really into a guy and he goes out of his way to not pay, it makes him look cheap.
/r/seduction10/12/17 07:08 AM
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I lost brain cells reading this. I feel most men don't really want a monogamously committed relationship to one women either Do you have any proof of this, or are you just making assumptions based on your own desires? Many men want monogamous relationships eventually. Dealing with the STD's, wasted time not spent on your career, short sightedness, shallowness, and lack of emotional attachments that comes with being a player forever in my opinion sucks Most of these happen regardless of whether y…
/r/seduction09/12/17 11:26 PM
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If I can ask, did you have encounters where you didn't use condoms?
/r/seduction08/12/17 05:52 PM
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Both of those sites are "legit" but there's barely any women on either of them. There's really no app/site that's "more straight-forward" because the people make the app, not vice versa. There's no magical site/app where there's an abundance of good-looking women looking for NSA sex that requires no effort because most women aren't looking for that. If they are, they don't need to be on an app. If Tinder isn't yielding good results, consider changing your strategy.
/r/seduction29/11/17 06:22 PM
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Maybe closer to 30%. I totally understand this. Physically, my standards are not greater than my own value. I don't often get rejected by people I'm into. Its just the fact there's just not that many people I'm into. It's few and far between when one doesn't work out.
/r/seduction27/11/17 08:15 PM
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This is exactly what I think it is. I like the dressing up part, maintaining hair, body, ect. I like when people put effort into their style and don't just wear t-shirts. I'm much more attracted to feminine types, I can agree on that. But I'm glad now that I see what it is, I don't feel so bad.
/r/seduction27/11/17 08:02 PM
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This might get downvoted to hell, but this is coming from a 22 year old female: "Friends first, more if there's chemistry." That's the line you tell every girl you meet that you're looking for. You don't say you're looking only for casual sex, and you don't say you want a FWB. You meet girls, either online on Tinder, Bumble, OKC, ect, or you meet them at bars. Yeah it's easier to escalate sex at bars but you still need to be smooth and act as if you're really interested in everything she's sayin…
/r/seduction26/11/17 12:34 AM
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Don't say anything. Don't bring it up. If it happens again, it happens again at the club and you can make a move. I had a similar situation happen to me where a friend of mine almost kissed me at a club and I never brought it up. If it's meant to happen, it'll happen. People do things at the club they wouldn't do not at the club, or sober. It's pretty much an unwritten rule.
/r/seduction25/11/17 05:21 AM
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Ah, the "I'm not like most people" phenomenon. Stop looking at yourself as so different. There's billions of people in this world, you don't think anyone in your area shares some of your same thoughts/hobbies/mentality? You have to seek out those people. It's not easy and requires effort. Put yourself in places where you're doing things you love and women with naturally come. If that doesn't work, online dating. OKC is good. Make your profile specific to your interests. And also, your confidence…
/r/seduction25/11/17 05:10 AM
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To get a more varied answer, I'd post in r/swingers and r/polyamory. On here, is mostly a bunch of people who are monogamous or single and playing the field. That being said, coming from someone who's "been there, done that": I've found most often that open relationships work when they start monogamous and then you eventually open it up, but poly relationships mostly work when they start poly. Reasoning for this is less "couples privilege." To even have a partner who's open to you fucking other …
/r/seduction24/11/17 09:46 PM
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Well maybe they don't want to have PIV sex that night? I mean dude, if she says she doesn't want to have sex, then she doesn't let you take her pants off... She probably doesn't want to have sex that night. You're trying to find ways to fix an issue that isn't there. Most women don't want to fuck on the first date, that's just the reality. You generally get laid between 2-5 dates, those odds are extremely good.
/r/seduction24/11/17 01:21 PM
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I can't stop agreeing with you. To add, part of the hotness of having sex with someone is the fact they're consenting. Not just "kinda" consenting. Active consent- HELL YEAH- not just "I guess" yeah. If I was in OP's position, was in a hot and heavy moment and the other person didn't want to take off their pants, then I'd simply keep the sexiness going of whatever we're doing and not press the issue. Not reach for her pants again. You don't have to have PIV to have fun. I also wonder if OP has e…
/r/seduction24/11/17 05:58 AM
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So. Much. This. Coming from a woman who is really sexual and really kinky, guys will wonder why even after being attracted to them and having a good night, I'm not interested in fucking them. Because the guy hasn't rocked my world yet. I want to be on the edge of my seat wondering if he'll even give me the dick. Don't act desperate. Don't act like you're watching the clock wondering when you'll score. The guys who care the most about solely getting laid are honestly the worst at it. Plus women d…
/r/seduction24/11/17 03:24 AM
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Okay, I'm not gonna fight you on it but like I said, i Don't agree.
/r/seduction18/11/17 11:04 PM
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I don't agree but to each it's own.
/r/seduction18/11/17 05:25 PM
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Of course not, but it's a gesture in which you're showing you're willing to do something nice for her.
/r/seduction18/11/17 05:09 PM
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I think it entirely depends on the girl. The girl who is already dancing hardcore would have a much higher probability of being down for grinding than the girl who's only "kinda" dancing. I would compliment something on the girl, such as her dress or her hair or if she has an interesting tattoo. Then casually ask to buy her a drink, and lead the convo from there.
/r/seduction18/11/17 04:55 PM
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