driggsky Archive

Upvotes	Title	Category	Author	Subreddit	Date (UTC)
163	How to get friends with benefits / casual hooks ups in big city as an average at best guy	Logistics	driggsky	/r/seduction	25/08/24 09:50 PM
87	Acting slightly immoral with women is the best way to actually get quality women	Debate	driggsky	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/07/24 10:31 PM
69	Why do women complain about men or the patriarchy on first / second dates with men?	Question For Women	driggsky	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/05/24 05:22 PM
7	Women’s desires from a partner are simply more antagonistic for relationship building than men’s	Debate	driggsky	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/10/24 01:24 AM
5	Throwing small house party, need advice on how to pull a girl	Fundamentals	driggsky	/r/seduction	31/08/24 08:37 PM
0	Men need to normalize makeup and cosmetics to better compete like women do	Debate	driggsky	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/07/24 10:08 PM

Upvotes	Comment on	Subreddit	Date (UTC)
11	Women mostly judge what you CANNOT change. Men mostly judge what you CAN change. Women judge much more on your immutable characteristics that’s absolutely clear But I’d say some men like me also prefer women to have skinny builds (beyond just not being fat). And i would definitely like a girl to have some curves. I think women are less demanding of body proportions than men are. Except of course height if we want to consider that a body proportion	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/10/24 03:08 AM
1	As a red pill or purple pilled man, what do you think about feminism? The ideas that feminism strives for is okay However, a lot of feminist critiques I’ve read or heard about often were lacking nuance. Also feminism has a lot of ties to marxist thoughts and in general is anti capitalism (and I can understand why). Often someone will say ‘society is harming women by X and heres an example’. They don’t propose solutions that actually incorporate people’s incentives. Feminists in practice often also will not acknowledge that women have power in certain domains. In g…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/10/24 12:52 AM
2	Women’s desires from a partner are simply more antagonistic for relationship building than men’s I include novelty, being masculine, living a compelling life in my attractiveness equation. Basically i’ll be jester maxxing and putting on a show for women for the rest of my life i guess lmaooo	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/10/24 08:10 PM
1	Women’s desires from a partner are simply more antagonistic for relationship building than men’s Lol of course women will view that of men and men will view that of women. Men have different socializations and objectives than women so of course theres always implicit and explicit negotiation going on. Both parties must give up ground since in general both parties play very different roles The key insight here is that we’re looking at women to women and men to men relationships to at least remove the variable of ‘men’s antagonistic traits that they do to women’ as seen by women. Thats why se…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/10/24 08:09 PM
1	Women’s desires from a partner are simply more antagonistic for relationship building than men’s I know that i’ll have to maintain my attractiveness and always be among her top options at each point in life Thats my solution It sucks to never be comfortable and ‘let myself go’ but honestly its fine. I dont wanna become fat and lazy and i want to always be attractive. Staying attractive will allow you to dodge nagging women because they dont nag men they are attracted to and also if she ever does leave, your options wont be ass	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/10/24 04:39 PM
4	It doesn't make sense that men complain about promiscuous women but also complain that women's standards are too high For a woman it may seem like a double standard which is understandable But its also fairly clear that women often are promiscuous with attractive men and prudish with average men	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/10/24 12:55 PM
9	Men ignore conventionally unattractive women (they aren't even on their radar), so they assume that all women are privileged in dating You asked a question why you see attractive women with ‘unattractive’ men. I simply explained why this is the case Women prioritize looks because they know thats what men want from them so it shouldnt be shocking that the average women is more physically attractive than the average man. Lol you listed two extremely famous and powerful men. We already mentioned that women will get into relationships with wealthy and otherwise masculine men. Competence and status are also what women select for And…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/10/24 02:16 AM
15	Men ignore conventionally unattractive women (they aren't even on their radar), so they assume that all women are privileged in dating These reasons can explain why youre seeing what you’re seeing: what you consider an unattractive man is likely still top 50% of men Women rank men on more than their physical appearance but physical appearance is the most important. A wealthy and masculine man who is not extremely handsome can still be considered attractive to many women Women wear makeup and temporarily beef up their appearance so you always think women look good when in reality, without makeup, women look about the same as men	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/10/24 02:03 AM
1	Women’s desires from a partner are simply more antagonistic for relationship building than men’s Im not the author The first author on the paper has published multiple papers in the field each with hundreds of citations Are you still gonna complain about me being home schooled and spewing anti science and disinformation when I’ve done more than enough to show my viewpoints are justified by scholars and the data? Its anti science to consider a paper like this a ‘conspiracy’. You’re showing that you don’t read papers Be good faith and read the paper and its methodology. You were the one that …	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/10/24 01:59 AM
2	Women’s desires from a partner are simply more antagonistic for relationship building than men’s Lol are you for real? You must be trolling. Not only am i not the author but the author has published many papers and many of them have a few hundred citations Honestly wow. Idk why i expected you to actually be arguing in good faith. This subreddit is 100% cooked Maybe consider reading the paper or even at least skim the methodology after begging me for a citation…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/10/24 01:52 AM
23	Men ignore conventionally unattractive women (they aren't even on their radar), so they assume that all women are privileged in dating Yup. Women literally are unable to comprehend that the bottom 1/3 of men are viewed with literal disgust by 95% of women and even other men. They are truly disposable and get no respect in society Meanwhile the bottom 1/3 of women will still be loved and uplifted by people. She can still get some basic sexual desires met (if she wants). She will be disrespected by many men and will be used for her body but she has the option to temporarily fuck attractive men. Her life isn’t amazing and she may …	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/10/24 01:45 AM
2	Women’s desires from a partner are simply more antagonistic for relationship building than men’s Homeschool anti science? Lol i am literally a scientist and ive published research Regardless, why not play ball and see if people im this subreddit are all bad faith or not. Here is one of many studies that analyze political leanings of chatgpt. This is an older paper and openai has updated its models a lot to be less so politically biased in favor of the left but here ya go: https://arxiv.org/abs/2301.01768 And if you want to actually consider that maybe your world view may be improved and tha…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/10/24 01:37 AM
2	Women’s desires from a partner are simply more antagonistic for relationship building than men’s Nice job deleting your other comment that shows you arent arguing or discussing in good faith. I already conceded the male bias you outline exists. You just refuse to acknowledge that a female bias is even possible	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/10/24 12:40 AM
0	Women’s desires from a partner are simply more antagonistic for relationship building than men’s My post is not black and white at all. You choose to view it that way because you don’t want to accept my proposed conclusion Obviously im not running a controlled study or doing rigorous statistical analysis. The data isnt there. Im using occams razor and deriving a conclusion from information. Like any social science question, there are many factors and many ways to model things. I am not saying women’s tendencies are the end all be all and indisputably destroy relationships. Even my headline …	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/10/24 12:38 AM
1	Women’s desires from a partner are simply more antagonistic for relationship building than men’s No im not. The way outcomes work in dynamical systems is that if a group of people have even a 1% higher propensity to do something, then over time and over enough examples, you will observe more of those people doing those things Its not a question of self control or moral degeneracy. Humans operate within their biological imperatives and within social structures. Men are more prone to cheating because our biology and social structure allow it. That doesnt mean you cant make a moral judgment on…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/10/24 11:14 PM
2	Women’s desires from a partner are simply more antagonistic for relationship building than men’s Youre the one that made the claim that these Models have a male bias lmao you need to cite it But just for your edification: https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2024/3/9/why-google-gemini-wont-show-you-white-people Thats one example of how companies actively produce models that are trained to be ‘overly’ politically correct. And if you want to learn about how they do this political correctness fix, then google something called ‘reinforcement learning from human feedback’. I have done large langua…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/10/24 11:10 PM
0	Women’s desires from a partner are simply more antagonistic for relationship building than men’s Ive already heard plenty of arguments outside of gpt. And I can say that there is some merit in some of them that make women appear more reasonable in light of this stat. The negative way to interpret this stat is the title of my post. Women can appear morally neutral depending on how you justify the statistic Also gpt is able to synthesize arguments and can philosophically ground its positions. You saying GPT can’t reason is not really a good criticism because I doubt you want to rigorously def…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/10/24 11:05 PM
1	Women’s desires from a partner are simply more antagonistic for relationship building than men’s Anecdotally agree with you lmfao I agree with someone else on this post that said women live in more idealism and care more about being happy now than men do. Men are okay with suffering and also want to problem solve. Obviously tons of men are lazy bumbs who eventually make their wife lose attraction but anecdotally i think its hilarious that lesbian relationships are so much more rocky than gay ones. There isnt a lot of good arguments that make women look good given this stat. At best they loo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/10/24 11:00 PM
1	Women’s desires from a partner are simply more antagonistic for relationship building than men’s The difference is im comparing women dealing with other women and men dealing with other men. And in my post i actively state that women care more about emotional depth and support in marriage and thats why they often state they divorced their spouses. I even said thats a valid reason to do so. Just because a statistic makes you feel bad doesnt mean I am making a moral judgement on women	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/10/24 10:57 PM
1	Women’s desires from a partner are simply more antagonistic for relationship building than men’s I never said defect lmao If i believe men have a stronger biological propensity to cheat, am I being offensive or shitting on men? No. Im observing that the social structures in combination with biological reality cause males to have a higher than female propensity to cheat. This doesnt mean that every man cheats or that some women dont cheat more than other men. It means that men have stronger incentives to cheat and thats why they do it I will argue that male incentive to cheat also harms long…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/10/24 10:55 PM
1	Women’s desires from a partner are simply more antagonistic for relationship building than men’s I do AI and NLP research and I know how these models are trained and we all regularly analyze bias in data There are obviously male biases in these models depending how you measure and what your frame of reference is but the models are hammered to the bone to be politically correct from a liberal western perspective. Google literally released a model that wouldn’t even draw white people and blackwashed historical figures. It’s undeniable these models are polished to be politically correct Show m…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/10/24 10:52 PM
0	Women’s desires from a partner are simply more antagonistic for relationship building than men’s Id say their view of commitment is slightly less strong than men’s. It doesnt mean its not strong overall but men do value upholding their commitments more IMO. Men are valued for respecting their word and commitments. Women are not.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/10/24 03:37 PM
0	Women’s desires from a partner are simply more antagonistic for relationship building than men’s Lmfao yeah this sub is cooked. If you think that the data point of lesbian divorce rate being substantially higher than gay divorce rates does not at least HINT at the possibility that women’s expectations and actions in long term relationships could be slightly worse than men’s, then idk what to tell you If you answer this question with any honest effort you’ll see all explanations people give are gendered in how women jump into relationships and feel okay with breaking them up OR there are som…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/10/24 03:36 PM
2	Women’s desires from a partner are simply more antagonistic for relationship building than men’s Sounds misandrist to imply men are bumbling idiots who cant do paperwork. Lmao how ridiculous do you sound here	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/10/24 03:20 PM
-1	Women’s desires from a partner are simply more antagonistic for relationship building than men’s You’re ridiculous lmfao. Im not saying women are bumbling idiots. Im saying what women desire in relationships and from their partners and how they are socialized seem to be more antagonistic to committed long term relationships I also throughout the post say i dont even think its morally bad. Im just making observations on which forces are at play and want to hear thoughts. But dont worry, just keep crying about women being permanent victims and everyone criticizing them being misogynists lmao …	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/10/24 03:19 PM
-4	Women’s desires from a partner are simply more antagonistic for relationship building than men’s Lesbians have the choice of opening their marriages too. No ones stopping them. Again, the point is that lesbians are far worse than gays at keeping marriages alive. And you cant blame men being bad partners to women in this case. Its women as partners to other women compared to men with men.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/10/24 05:25 AM
3	Women’s desires from a partner are simply more antagonistic for relationship building than men’s Lmfao im not being emotional at all. And im not mad at all. I just never heard of a marriage that wasn’t a lifelong commitment. If it is actually common for people to not commit for life, this is news to me and im shocked. Im gonna need to see evidence of this because this sounds inaccurate. Regardless, i mean its anecdotally also obvious to me that women view commitment differently than men. Men are valued by hard work, respect, and being honorable to their fellow man. Women don’t get valued in…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/10/24 05:02 AM
-5	Women’s desires from a partner are simply more antagonistic for relationship building than men’s I guess ur right if gay dudes have more open relationships then its not monogamous. I meant more so upholding the commitment of marriage	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/10/24 04:52 AM
4	Women’s desires from a partner are simply more antagonistic for relationship building than men’s You’re literally incorrect Marriage is literally a ceremony where you vow to be with your partner until they die… do you even know what marriage is? Its done publicly as a ceremony with your community to cement the commitment to each other Honestly this adds evidence to my point that women don’t value commitment or understand it like men. Your words are pretty telling on how you view marriage. You probably shouldnt get married if you dont feel like its a lifelong commitment. Theres no point in s…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/10/24 04:35 AM
2	Women’s desires from a partner are simply more antagonistic for relationship building than men’s Being there for them. Talking to them. Letting them be comfortable. Letting them express their thoughts and emotions. Sharing feelings. Thats probably what i consider bare minimum emotional support	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/10/24 04:29 AM
5	Women’s desires from a partner are simply more antagonistic for relationship building than men’s If what you say is true and men dont want to be lonely, then why would they abandon their family more often? I would also need to see stats. A man leaving a child that he hasnt raised for 1 day is not abandoning a commitment. If he leaves the child after raising it for a while then he is abandoning a commitment And no, a marriage is literally a life long commitment. Thats the point of it. You’re not supposed to break it	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/10/24 03:50 AM
2	Women’s desires from a partner are simply more antagonistic for relationship building than men’s Ive heard that men also simply stick out commitments more than women. Men idealize being a person of their word and operating with respect for their commitments But what you say may also be correct too	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/10/24 03:42 AM
2	Women’s desires from a partner are simply more antagonistic for relationship building than men’s The line between social and biological reasons for large scale behavioral observations for groups of humans has always been blurry. Social norms form from the economics of biological realities anyway. Most women are pining for marriage. It’s still highly desired by many women. And im not saying its hypocritical for women to act like this. A lifelong commitment in many ways hard and also potentially unreasonable. It is a commitment nonetheless. I never said monogamous marriage was a good goal to …	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/10/24 03:25 AM
7	Women’s desires from a partner are simply more antagonistic for relationship building than men’s Damn stay up bro But yeah im not saying leaving when u feel unfulfilled is invalid. I think its valid. I think women tend to feel more unfulfilled with relationships than men and this is a problem. From their perspective, men are lacking. From men’s perspective, women are too demanding	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/10/24 03:21 AM
5	Women’s desires from a partner are simply more antagonistic for relationship building than men’s I agree at a high level. Not even saying long term monogamous relationships ought to be the gold standard (though they are today). It seems that women’s socialization + biology leads them to cause conflict with an arrangement like this (more so than men’s) It really is bizarre that women want marriage so bad but also are much more inclined to break them. They justify their behaviors by saying the relationship wasnt working (which is valid) but on a societal level this simply implies that women w…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/10/24 03:20 AM
-9	Women’s desires from a partner are simply more antagonistic for relationship building than men’s So lesbian couples cheat more or are less okay with open relationships? Sounds like you and everyone here all agree that women’s mindsets and actions and desires are fundamentally more antagonistic to a life long monogamous relationship	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/10/24 03:14 AM
1	Women’s desires from a partner are simply more antagonistic for relationship building than men’s So you agree with me that women have tendencies that break up long term committed relationships	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/10/24 03:12 AM
4	Women’s desires from a partner are simply more antagonistic for relationship building than men’s So you agree with me basically. Womens desires do push for breaking the commitment over sticking through it	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/10/24 03:10 AM
6	Women’s desires from a partner are simply more antagonistic for relationship building than men’s This is a crazy take. I always was there for the girls ive had more than a one night stand with Any girl i dated for more than a month ive been always listening to her problems and being there if she needed support. What kinda crazy bullshit do you believe to think a life partner wouldnt offer at least some emotional support? Lol	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/10/24 03:10 AM
28	There is no excuse to be attracted to shitty women, especially when you berate bad boy chasers. This is your post. Define your terms. How am I supposed to know if a man is being hypocritical when he goes for a ‘shitty’ woman. the bad boy archetype is better described in culture anyway so most people sort of agree vaguely on it	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/10/24 01:27 AM
1	Does the average guy have low standards? Women simply expect more from their partners and have emotional support standards that many men and many women can not fill I asked chatgpt to explain why lesbian divorce rates were higher than gay divorce rates and it tried not to shit on women too hard but the overall theme is that women’s expectations from a partner are simply more antagonistic to having committed long term relationships I dont blame women but it’s definitely a social problem if people demand too much from their partners in g…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/10/24 01:10 AM
34	There is no excuse to be attracted to shitty women, especially when you berate bad boy chasers. How are you defining shitty woman?	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/10/24 03:00 PM
3	Why is men’s dating advice “you are wrong”, and women’s “he is wrong”? Dude, it’s because men have to create some value or become valuable for the world to care about them and definitely to attract women For women they are born with a body that is desired by men and cherished. Of course advice will be different one one gender has to earn the shot and the other has to be smart and protect their value or be receptive to good offers. A wise woman will self improve though to maximize her lot in life and her mating prospects. A wise man will try not to go too deep into …	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/10/24 04:02 AM
9	Who you associate with reflects on you. Agree with the general premise that men who complain a lot about who women date tend to also not self reflect at some ironies with their criticisms However men criticizing women’s choice of assholes is much less hypocritical than you’re implying. Sexual selection is extremely gendered. Although some principles are not gendered, the urge to act like a gendered critique is somehow wrong solely because it’s gendered is dumb Women are not rated or ranked for their ‘bad boy ness’ nice nearly as much …	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/10/24 04:26 AM
3	Most women don’t pick men based on their status or money This is so stupid i dont think anyone will disagree that most women dont seriously date men with less status than they have. The man has to have some area of operation in the world that is ‘high status’ in her eyes. Either he has really good looks, makes money, is talented, famous, or just shows strong competence in some area. Women across the board want men who are driven, motivated, etc. and most women will even out right say they need a man to make at least as much money as they make This pos…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/10/24 04:05 AM
3	Rejecting anyone for any reason is fine, the end, dating is inherently selfish, discriminatory and judgemental. There is not much that differentiates me not wanting to date say black women because theyre black and not wanting to hire black women for my small business Both is removing the ability for a black woman to fairly compete for an economic resource (or a potentially desired resource) purely based on their skin color. The person who has the resource (the desired man or the desired small business) has the same justification: its their business and they prefer to run something that is intimate to them…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/10/24 03:48 PM
4	Rejecting anyone for any reason is fine, the end, dating is inherently selfish, discriminatory and judgemental. I agree but in general in society we try to structure unrestricted human desires and evil to at least mildly respect our moral frameworks Yea dating is one of the few spaces left where basically its okay to discriminate against humans and their bodies so flagrantly and be justified but there will or at least should be some cultural push against purely superficial reasoning. Furthermore, being short term purely attraction based has proven to also yield bad results for long term monogamous relatio…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/10/24 03:41 PM
3	How would you feel if your bf/husband said he wasn’t initially attracted to you? Not always true. Even I fundamentally believe that the man has to be overall more attractive (whole package) or at least as physically attractive for a modern dating scenario to go well (on average; of course there are uglier men dating prettier women but im saying for a good relationship dynamic, the woman needs to look up to her man) Women give unbelievable headaches and attitude and disrespect to men they arent that attracted to. It would be impossible to have a good relationship unless she t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/10/24 04:20 AM
1	A root cause of the issues in dating today is that dating advice is not balanced for pro-social men I said in an absolute sense like ‘be charismatic, go to the gym, make money, be funny’ There is so single trait or action that will be time consistent. The only time consistent advice is to be her best perceived option. Thats nebulous but it puts you into the seat of a woman who is flooded with options and chooses men based on culture and expectations and what she believes is the best value Giving red pill advice today or pick up artist advice today may work but in 2 years women become receptive…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/10/24 01:48 AM
3	If Women Don’t Know Who They’re Attracted To Until They Get To Know Them (Demisexual), Why Don’t Women Give More People A Chance? Yup i agree. If we’re equating commitment from a man to sex from a woman i will agree that men want women with certain personality and values	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/10/24 12:57 AM
1	A root cause of the issues in dating today is that dating advice is not balanced for pro-social men No this is inaccurate. There will never be advice that stands the test of time and is consistent for most men. This is because fundamentally average+ women will not want the bottom percentage of men no matter how much they up their game and looks. Its a relative thing. The structural issue is that women and men have preferences and rank other humans without any care for moral virtue. This is fundamental and true of both sides. Suffering will necessarily ensue because a system that ranks humans s…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/10/24 12:53 AM
6	If Women Don’t Know Who They’re Attracted To Until They Get To Know Them (Demisexual), Why Don’t Women Give More People A Chance? Men dont act like they need you to have a personality in order to fuck you though lmfao	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/10/24 12:01 AM
0	Male sexuality wouldnt be demonized if men werent using it to excuse bad behavior. Male sexuality is not demonized for the reasons you state Both male and female sexuality is demonized for different tangible reasons (mens sexuality imposes physical threat to women who we coddle in society and female sexuality imposes an emotional, economic, and status threat to men who are 50% of population and also have a say in social narratives) The more core reason female and male sexuality is demonized is because fundamentally the expression of either side’s sexuality oppositions the obje…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/10/24 11:23 PM
1	The red pill ruins everything and, also women actually want less than the top 10% of men. No i dont actually believe im a piece of shit. I am superficial though and neurotic but im well adjusted around people and have always been caring to any romantic relationship. Ive never had a ‘bad breakup’ or any previous women ive been with be angry or hate me. But yeah i do think i need to do some searching for myself and figure out how much i believe in red pill statistics and give some women the benefit of the doubt. Im def not in the ‘average’ people category since I went to an elite unive…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/10/24 05:04 PM
2	The red pill ruins everything and, also women actually want less than the top 10% of men. Haha by you saying men do the same things as women, you are literally agreeing with me 💀 this is how I know you’re arguing in bad faith because you want to disagree for the sake of it. My point is literally that women are not angels and are no better than men. They are just as superficial, vile, hateful, and oppressive as men. You guys want to be victims so bad but its clear neither men nor women are morally virtuous in this dating market 🤷🏽‍♂️	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/10/24 04:33 PM
2	Most men are what Esther Vilar called 'The Manipulated Man'. Yup i mean women basically have the fantasy of controlling an alpha male. To have a strong man under her finger. Men think theyre the ones in control but women definitely exert power and dominance through their femininity Ideally both man and woman serve each other though	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/10/24 03:57 PM
2	The red pill ruins everything and, also women actually want less than the top 10% of men. Lol you must be kidding. Women themselves lie to act more virtuous. And women collectively try to act more demure. Women collectively have a narrative of being victims while positioning men as oppressors You can’t seriously think society doesnt coddle women and also propagates the idea that women are kinder, more caring, and less brutish than men. Both men and women propagate these ideas And lol you dont agree with red pill except you agreed with all my points. And i love how you dont engage wit…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/10/24 03:53 PM
1	The red pill ruins everything and, also women actually want less than the top 10% of men. I agree with your framing however i will push back on the idea that there isnt much to lose if you financial protect yourself. Heartbreak and trauma are serious costs. Aiming to have a nice life in the future only to realize that the woman you loved doesnt really love you anymore is traumatizing Thats not to say men dont ruin relationships too but women for whatever reason end them more often and get bored more often. Men believe in the idea of commitment and staying true to their word more than…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/10/24 06:20 AM
1	The red pill ruins everything and, also women actually want less than the top 10% of men. The difference is men find a much larger proportion of women attractive than women do men. Women naturally (or socially?) find most men unappealing. Men are not hypergamous — at least not in any way that people use that term in the dating scene. Men will fuck women who are much less attractive, poorer, and overall less competent than he is. Yes skinny women are hot. And guess what, women are in control of their weight. So its not really as bad as the requirements women have for men to be attract…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/10/24 06:14 AM
1	The red pill ruins everything and, also women actually want less than the top 10% of men. I never had a real loving long term relationship. I have a moderately high body count and im kinda a piece of shit Now that thats out of the way, idk maybe its an internal belief that im not valuable as i am. But i also never felt someone love me unconditionally and consistently for a long period of time. And i also just see the stats of women leaving men and it scares me that i will give my heart to someone and she’ll just change her mind. My previous longest term relationship was very weird an…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/10/24 06:04 AM
3	The red pill ruins everything and, also women actually want less than the top 10% of men. The red pill principles I see and follow seem pretty obviously true Women dont find most men attractive Women are hypergamous and most women are attracted to the same minority of men Women are as superficial, if not more, than men are Women chase chads and their attraction to men is not based on how nice you are or how good of a person you are. Women are willing to have sex with and share a chad over give someone perceived as not high status a shot. Women also dont make rules for chads I mean th…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/10/24 05:19 AM
2	The red pill ruins everything and, also women actually want less than the top 10% of men. Red pill is not meant to make me miserable lmao its meant to show the reality of female dating strategies and to remove the illusion that that women are somehow more moral and less superficial than men But yes red pill in a way can and does make men miserable but thats only because tough truths are still tough…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/10/24 05:01 AM
8	The red pill ruins everything and, also women actually want less than the top 10% of men. Tbh redpill has made me much more negative and afraid of women and commitment and its definitely been harming my ability to bond with women Women may say that this is of my own doing. But to be honest, i just cant unsee it. And i guess ive been burned by women too much and have seen the red pill advice work too often to not believe it. I really wish i could just commit to a girl and bond with her but the fear of her monkey branching or getting tired of me or whatever, is always lurking in the ba…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/10/24 04:59 AM
5	Would you rather be “picked” or settled for? The only reason a woman should rationally believe she has settled that I can think of is if her current boyfriend or partner has demonstrably less overall long term sexual marketplace value than she does at the current moment Otherwise its not ‘settling’ in the way women try to use the term If she has had a rich boyfriend before, that adds to his overall long term sexual marketplace value but if her ex rich boyfriend was a domestic abuser who was 5’6 and had 0 masculinity otherwise, than that gu…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/10/24 01:11 AM
5	Would you rather be “picked” or settled for? Depends if the woman is rational and understands that she’s actually not settling. Women seem to think that if they have fucked someone better looking in the past that that means being in a relationships with anyone less attractive than her past partner is settling. But thats clearly not how she should be understanding how valuable she is. Its easy for women to fuck someone more attractive than they themselves are. Men are willing to go 1-2 levels lower for a quick fuck. But most men will only c…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/10/24 12:50 AM
8	Why are there such different responses from telling men to have realistic standards vs women? Have you ever considered that this problem stemmed from the fact that women date and get used by men out of their league often? Its prob not womens fault strictly but if women accurately understood their long term dating value vs short term, this issue wouldnt exist. They think they ok cool handsome guy wants to fuck im so hot! But then they get their time wasted. Why? Because theyre average at best and all handsome Men have their pick of women to fuck	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/10/24 08:56 AM
–	More boys are now out of school globally than girls, and the inequality is bound to get worse [There is no patriarchy series] Test score improvement rates Percentage of substantially below grade level performance in math reading and science Would need to think about ranking system for shitty teachers and how to ensure proper firing rate for bad educators	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/10/24 09:50 PM
–	More boys are now out of school globally than girls, and the inequality is bound to get worse [There is no patriarchy series] No its unclear to me who will be better for education And it depends on what metrics you use to define ‘better’ education Theres many ways to think about education and how to measure it and what the issues are	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/10/24 08:10 PM
–	More boys are now out of school globally than girls, and the inequality is bound to get worse [There is no patriarchy series] Public education has fundamental structural flaws that already disadvantage boys but in general also make it problematic for society (without regard to gender). Anyone that actually cares about problem solving can see this. Just voting for a wheelchair democrat to ‘fix education’ is stupid. Need a real policy proposal and how to solve incentive problems. Not just throw money at things and watch it burn	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/10/24 07:49 PM
–	Women don’t put more effort into their appearance I think the average woman puts more time in her appearance than average guy But the average guy includes fat incels who dont gym Among anyone that cares about their appearance or their attractiveness even slightly, i will agree that those men grind out the gym and learn how to date and be attractive much more than women do Men put in more effort overall to be attractive than women do (among men that arent incel fatties). Thats because men have to max out looks, money, game, and also how to plan …	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/10/24 05:25 PM
2	Women ask men to improve emotionally, yet their dating preferences often incentivize men to focus on material success and physical appearance Okay and? Lol Everythings affected by the economic system of the largest economies of the world. Thats literally like saying ‘society is affected by how society has decided for humans to interact with each other’ Also name a better economic system. Theres only tradeoffs. Your life as some random dude wont be better under some mythical other system. Humans will naturally construct rankings and markets especially in areas of high concentrations of people	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/10/24 10:59 PM
–	Q4W - Why is there hesistancy to acknowledge how good you currently have it? Oh yeah? So define patriarchy and show me how it doesn’t imply that women inherently lack a litany of privileges that are endowed to men. If men in aggregate are believed to be more privileged and benefit from patriarchy, explain how that doesn’t imply women who believe in patriarchy also believe that their male peers are better off than them? You must use a definition of patriarchy that is separate from privilege to achieve what you’re saying OR you must agree with me and say that most men are …	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/10/24 09:16 PM
2	Women ask men to improve emotionally, yet their dating preferences often incentivize men to focus on material success and physical appearance Nope. I care about morals for long term mate but i aint gonna lie and tell people being good is gonna get them a bf or a gf or a hookup. Morals is always secondary or even tertiary in your assessment of a mate	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/10/24 07:11 PM
–	Q4W - Why is there hesistancy to acknowledge how good you currently have it? Relative to the people in your society is what matters. And women make it known they still believe we live in a patriarchy which implies that their male peers are better off than them Thats the difference. Women are complaining about things that are basically factually incorrect and blind to reality where they believe they’re second class citizens to their literal peers who have it one average worse than them economically and socially lmfao	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/10/24 07:09 PM
6	Women ask men to improve emotionally, yet their dating preferences often incentivize men to focus on material success and physical appearance Lmao unless youre the buddha and live a life as a monk, i dont care Youre a human. Humans are animals who acquire resources and try to maximize their ability to propagate through time You may decorate your world view with religious ideal or some moral compass that makes you feel better at night but unless you are a true moral philosopher who attempts to have consistent moral beliefs and lives them, you’re just another human doing what humans do.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/10/24 01:44 PM
2	Women ask men to improve emotionally, yet their dating preferences often incentivize men to focus on material success and physical appearance Okay paragon of morality. Why are you on reddit? You should be saving orphans and homeless people	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/10/24 01:37 PM
2	Red pill core thesis is incoherent Lmao bro what? Improving your money, body and looks is both good for you even without women involved AND you improve the quality of women who would be attracted to you You can in fact improve looks from a 5 to a 6 or a 6 to a 7… that drastically increases your chances of not having to pick fat gross chicks lol Not to mention you can improve that much well before 30 years old if you just do your thing for a couple of years in mid twenties lmfao	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/10/24 11:53 PM
3	Red pill core thesis is incoherent I literally mentioned improving looks, gym, having better game, being more mentally balanced, and more money as part of self improving and you wanna focus on the money aspect only just to yap I clearly said money doesnt make women actually attracted to you. We all agree on this lol	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/10/24 11:22 PM
0	Red pill core thesis is incoherent Whats the point of even commenting if you have nothing useful to say lmfao. I mean i guess im talking to a woman so this is expected 💀	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/10/24 11:12 PM
3	Red pill core thesis is incoherent Self improvement includes caring about looks, having purpose, understanding female nature, being mentally balanced, building a good body, and also money. Money wont get a woman attracted but money gives you 100x the opportunities to shoot 🤷🏽‍♂️	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/10/24 10:49 PM
5	Red pill core thesis is incoherent Whats ur point lol	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/10/24 10:13 PM
1	Red pill core thesis is incoherent Young people arent diligent and dont follow long term advice. There will always be a delta in performance of someone in mid twenties and a 21 year old dude who just got outta college lol Anyways, i see the merits of your argument but you’re just wrong. Someone self improving for 2 years will defeat someone who does it for 6 months. If everyone starts seriously caring about their health and income at 22, a 24 year old will win over the 22 year old. Thats just how self improvement works. 2 years o…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/10/24 10:09 PM
3	Red pill core thesis is incoherent Probably not true lol Most dudes under 22 arent diligent or even understand health or mental health Also im comparing people who self improve for 2-3 years with people dont. Not to mention a 20 year old who self improves can not compare to a 23 year old who self improves. The amount of money and skills men develop in 2-3 years is substantial. Also any man who self improves is less like to simp and believe the women are angels bs and can actually attract women	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/10/24 10:03 PM
1	Red pill core thesis is incoherent Argument of time is not false lol. Especially when you are looking at men under 35. Above 35, its a different game but dating is completely different when youre middle aged Plenty of women are single at 25-30. 32 year old man is more likely to own a house, apartment, car, has investments, etc 28 year old can have that too but will have less on average Yea 28 is physically better probably but you’re also comparing 2 dudes self improving not to men not self improving at all Your argument doesnt ma…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/10/24 09:57 PM
1	Red pill core thesis is incoherent Not if hes the guy whos focusing on self improvement But yeah i mean obviously women are gonna find their beta bux to use and many men will fall into that category sadly	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/10/24 09:50 PM
1	Red pill core thesis is incoherent You aren’t giving a counter argument to the idea that time value gives men substantial upside when compared to men who are substantially younger Okay so compare an average 28 year old who has been self improving compared to an average 24 year old For women around the age of 23-25, who do you think they will prefer more often?	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/10/24 09:46 PM
1	Red pill core thesis is incoherent I meant age gap between men A 28 year old man is roughly as physically attractive (if not more due to time value of gym being on his side) than a 24 year old Plus 28 year old monetarily superior + understands female nature better	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/10/24 09:22 PM
1	Red pill core thesis is incoherent Depends if hes at least a 7/10 in physical attractiveness and masculinity after maxing looks and personality by the time hes 30+ i guess	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/10/24 09:20 PM
10	Red pill core thesis is incoherent Self improvement argument makes sense but it misses the time dimension. Young men get outcompeted by older men because older men self improve or simply have time to accrue wealth and skills that young men do not Therefore, we see what we naturally see today: older men get younger women because women are hypergamous and older men have more value to younger women and older men are also better than younger men in many axes (assuming say 3-5 year age gap and not 10+ between the men in question; bein…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/10/24 08:57 PM
15	Women ask men to improve emotionally, yet their dating preferences often incentivize men to focus on material success and physical appearance Yes you only care about morality after being physically attracted. Having aligning morals is necessary not sufficient to find a long term mate for most people. No one cares if you’re jesus himself if you’re not appealing to their physical or other emotional desires	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/10/24 03:16 PM
1	Women's "double burden" and "second shift" is a hoax - and data disprove it Interesting post. Hope to have seen more detailed breakdowns But also this is the EU. In america, men work way longer than EU for their jobs. Something like a 38 minute delta would be eroded away	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/10/24 01:18 PM
1	Q4W - Why is there hesistancy to acknowledge how good you currently have it? That may be valid if So many women didnt vehemently shit on men while ‘venting’ If you hold the same standards to men who are misogynists who shit on women Sorry but women simply are tone deaf and delusional when they complain to men. Its even normalized to shit on men to men lmfao so let’s not act like women venting is some rare and benign occurrence	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/10/24 05:20 AM
2	Q4W - Why is there hesistancy to acknowledge how good you currently have it? It depends on nature if complaint If rich person complains that life is hard because they only have 2 maids and sometimes have to buy toilet paper: people will be annoyed When women complain about dating its usually ‘no good men left’, ‘men are trash’. Women literally insult men when they talk about how bad dating is. Its also tone deaf and false. If women were honest and said ‘theres no men who meet my height requirements, makes more money than me, gives me princess treatment and is at least a …	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/10/24 12:30 AM
55	Women ask men to improve emotionally, yet their dating preferences often incentivize men to focus on material success and physical appearance Neither men nor women care about being moral. Women just yap and virtue signal about it more but they still dont care. They care 0 about if you are a good guy. Men also dont care if women are good women People only care that the other person will give them what they want for however long they want it. Thats it. If being ‘good’ fits into their desire for a long term mate, they might look for it. But being nice has 0 to do with attraction. Also congrats, you’re no longer bluepilled. Welcome to rea…	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/10/24 10:31 PM
0	Q4W - Why is there hesistancy to acknowledge how good you currently have it? Yeah and someone rich with an amazing family and near optimal life will still suffer. You probably aren’t giving sympathy points to people like this even though they suffer just like everyone else The point is that when you’re better off than others, then complaining in the face of those others about things that arent a big deal relatively is tone deaf and annoying	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/10/24 07:54 PM
1	Women shouldn't defend women who are obviously wrong just because they are women. And how would you know if anywhere close to 50% of men are sexual abusers? How do you know its not 5% of men doing 75% of the sexual abuse / sexual harassment encounters? My point is that most men aren’t the way women describe them to be. Almost 50% of young men havent even approached a woman last year lol yet somehow women think most men are absolute scumbags to women	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/10/24 07:11 PM
-1	Women shouldn't defend women who are obviously wrong just because they are women. Youre blind if you think men dont call out predators. I gave you the example of Men calling out and physically attacking pedophiles. Theres literally livestreams of men doing this lol. Men only dont call out sexual abusers when theres sufficient doubt that the act occurred. And to be frank, women think 50%+ of men are predators when in reality its like 10%. So most men dont know 5 rapists like women seem to think happens. The reason women think men are letting rapists slide is because rapists an…	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/10/24 06:15 PM
-4	Q4W - Why is there hesistancy to acknowledge how good you currently have it? Abortion debate is again not that people want to remove women’s rights. The argument is that your right to bodily autonomy ends where you destroy someone else’s (a fetus’s) Im pro abortion but its annoying hearing bad arguments	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/10/24 05:52 PM
-12	Q4W - Why is there hesistancy to acknowledge how good you currently have it? Except when you have it better than most of the population within your society (assuming you’re an average woman), then yeah, complaining often is a form of being tone deaf or not recognizing how good you have it Everyone always wants more. Humans will always suffer. Women just have it better than men now and are allergic to admitting it	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/10/24 05:48 PM
-2	Women shouldn't defend women who are obviously wrong just because they are women. Men do call out male predators lol. When do men not call out predators? The only scenarios i see men not call out male predators are when theres a non insignificant probability that the women in the story are exaggerating, lying, leaving out details, or its only an accusation. Evidence men call out male predators: men hate male pedophiles and physically attack male pedophiles often. But also men dont have as visceral reaction to being sexually abused. We’re bigger than women and generally dont g…	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/10/24 05:25 PM
4	Women shouldn't defend women who are obviously wrong just because they are women. Because that doesnt harm their collective effort to accrue power against men Calling out female predators doesnt cost women anything and women have a visceral reaction against being used or abused sexually so it makes sense But when the problem is less cut and dry, women are seen defending bs from other women only when men are present. Between other women, women show more realistic and harsh judgement	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/10/24 05:08 PM
–	Feminists talk about a glass ceiling preventing women from being President. I think that's BS Demographic appeal does not equal chosen for your race and gender above all else	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/10/24 11:02 PM
1	Feminists talk about a glass ceiling preventing women from being President. I think that's BS Im talking about when she was chosen as vp, not the hot swap the democrats pulled to not lose funding	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/10/24 06:05 PM
1	Feminists talk about a glass ceiling preventing women from being President. I think that's BS Yes agreed but the point is politicians are also sometimes chosen for their policy positions or image of their ideology. Jd vance offers policy prescriptions in addition to being a white male. Kamala was chosen PRIMARILY because of her race and gender	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/10/24 03:57 PM
–	Men need to understand the rules of the game they are playing PRIOR to joining Most women dont outright say it and most women are chill. But ive seen enough to know that on average, i should act a certain way. Im still me but i know i need to play the role of the man And at this point? Yeah i dont mind leading the interaction. At first it sucks but once you get comfortable, care less about being a people pleaser, or once you become less desperate, then leading the interaction is actually preferable because you get to do what you want and she can join the ride if she wants …	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/10/24 09:12 AM
–	Men need to understand the rules of the game they are playing PRIOR to joining Ive been on dates where women have literally been argumentative to see if I could ‘put her in her place’. And some girls will even make comments like ‘oh yeah you texted frequently, that wasn’t very masculine of you’. Ive had women literally stop seeing me because I didn’t make a move fast enough (within 5 dates) and they wished I did earlier and they couldnt imagine me in a romantic sense afterward. Not saying women are generally acting like this but usually being masculine (leading the interac…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/10/24 08:36 AM
–	Men need to understand the rules of the game they are playing PRIOR to joining You obviously dont follow PUAs enough then. A lot of tips in the game side of the manosphere are not so rude to women. It’s about showing confidence, masculinity, and being engaging. Yes negging probably was recommended at some point in time but I havent seen any of that content tbh And even if pua recommend negging, considering how women treat and react to men in conversation, im not even mad that men have created their own strategies as well. Women literally constantly shit test men and start …	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/10/24 08:27 AM
–	Men need to understand the rules of the game they are playing PRIOR to joining Whats your point? Lol You can be charismatic and still shit the bed with women for a dozen different reasons. Women literally dont even know why they feel the way they feel about men or sex half the time Im saying that men can benefit from PUA advice. They dont have to become full time PUAs lol. They can just learn how to lead interactions and get women attracted while also learning to live an engaging and interesting life that a woman may find long term good for a relationship	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/10/24 08:23 AM
–	Men need to understand the rules of the game they are playing PRIOR to joining Ive never negged a woman but its pretty clear that many men need PUA type advice. Women are of course offended by PUA because they feel manipulated. And the man doesnt keep up the level of intensity over the course of the relationship, but theres nothing inherently stopping a man who learns some game from also learning to be a good boyfriend. You view it as tricking women into liking you because you’re a woman and can just come as you are. Many men successful with women constantly put on some le…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/10/24 08:13 AM
0	Feminists talk about a glass ceiling preventing women from being President. I think that's BS It can be both kamala and jd vance But its without a doubt that kamala was chosen for her race and gender	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/09/24 07:53 PM
–	There is nothing wrong with not being selected by women I mean I agree that you can’t force people to change preferences that are hard wired (or at least very deeply ingrained) However, as a society we do try to steer preferences and shame things that lead to bad outcomes for the rest of the population. There doesn’t exist a truly free market in this world except maybe the sexual / relationship market in western countries. Regardless, allowing ‘natural selection to happen free from obstruction’ is faulty thinking. Natural selection is always happenin…	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/09/24 05:12 PM
13	Women are poor communicators Yup bingo Communication is both an offer and a receipt of a message But in my opinion more weight should be given to message passers and not message receivers Most people aren’t autistic and cant understand basic social cues. If 50% of the population is men and women think men are bad at receiving their message, then women are wrong If 50% of the population on average wont understand what you mean, then it’s your fault for not knowing how to convey a message. If the norm is your messages arent b…	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/09/24 03:06 PM
-4	Feminists talk about a glass ceiling preventing women from being President. I think that's BS She can be qualified for the job and still be a DEI hire. Its literally publicly documented by biden that he wanted a black woman VP (forgot if he said black but he at least mentioned woman). Kamala lost her presidential run and received very little support in 2020. She wasn’t a well regarded democratic figure who represented strong up and coming democrat party ideals. She was just the most qualified black woman who could garner the most votes based on identity politics Also im not saying donald…	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/09/24 05:35 AM
0	Feminists talk about a glass ceiling preventing women from being President. I think that's BS How do you know that? What if there were 5 million people who would have voted trump or not voted at all but were motivated to vote Hillary only because they really wanted a female president? Hillary can lose and there still could have been 5 million extra votes than there otherwise would have been. You need data to make your claim that its clearly not a significant amount of voters Also its 2024, not 2016. Furthermore kamala harris was literally a DEI hire in 2020 for VP so america has changed …	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/09/24 05:31 AM
6	Feminists talk about a glass ceiling preventing women from being President. I think that's BS And theres more people who will vote for a female president only because she’s a woman. Kamala harris is literally a DEI vice president lol Many people won’t be voted in for powerful positions for an assortment of reasons President is a unique case and maybe a non insignificant proportion of folks will not vote for a female president solely because she’s female. Will concede this. But the glass ceiling in general doesng really exist. Women can be executives in companies and are commonly so in th…	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/09/24 11:12 PM
0	Men intentions on getting sex is universally diverted into relationship rhetoric Yes companionship is important nowadays. But thats not what men fundamentally crave in a romantic relationship with women You can in theory have companionship with your friends and family. You dont need a romantic person to share your life. The unique aspect of a romantic relationship is that has fundamental value transfer of sex for time and attention between a man and a woman. It sounds crass but that ls that it is	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/09/24 08:13 PM
0	Men intentions on getting sex is universally diverted into relationship rhetoric Men dont require more than a few minutes of time energy or investment to have sex with a woman Women require hours, months, or even more lol Time and attention are economic resources. The economic cost of a good considers time invested	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/09/24 07:50 PM
2	Even if the percentage of dangerous men is low, the chance of meeting him is high No in the us those occurrences are rare I would still cover my drink if i were a girl because theres no reason to not but that doesnt mean theres druggers filled in each bar Show stats to back up your claim. In the us outright rape by strangers us rare. Drugging drinks is not common	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/09/24 07:04 PM
2	Even if the percentage of dangerous men is low, the chance of meeting him is high Im talking about the united states and canada mostly. Maybe also western european nations. I would probably agree that russia or other parts of asia are more dangerous	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/09/24 06:53 PM
3	Even if the percentage of dangerous men is low, the chance of meeting him is high Okay im ngl i think thats a crazy story lol i doubt its common to have men who gang rape women just waiting outside of clubs I agree with your sentiment though	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/09/24 06:41 PM
13	Even if the percentage of dangerous men is low, the chance of meeting him is high And to make it worse, many women will reward the behaviors of these men at least maybe 10% of the time so men who are trying to be successful will imitate aggressive behaviors because that works a significant amount of time Women end up constantly dealing with aggression but its the fault of the system and collective preferences. Not men or even most men. Not womens fault either	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/09/24 06:25 PM
16	Even if the percentage of dangerous men is low, the chance of meeting him is high I think the model is more like aggressive and outright bad or dangerous men is ~1% of the population (or say 3-5% tops) But they are 10x - 20x more likely to approach woman. Therefore, most women in some area meet the same 3-5% of bad or wild men and think that all men are like that. These men just approach women MUCH more to the point that even though they’re less than 1/20 men, their frequency of encounters with women is at least as high as non violent or aggressive men. Probably more.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/09/24 06:18 PM
–	Women liking social skills and confidence is not a "gotcha" against men having complaints about female nature. I mean i get his / her point about nature not caring about what makes us feel good but if the goal is reasonable and healthy relationships + society then obviously what hes saying is ridiculous lmao	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/09/24 03:46 PM
–	Women liking social skills and confidence is not a "gotcha" against men having complaints about female nature. I mean we’re basically in agreement. There’s no point in transacting in a relationship unless both sides feel like the offer is strong (compared to the buyer’s best alternatives) It’s stupid to offer less than your customer’s best alternatives and expect them to buy. However, I think men are valid in saying that women as customers are not reasonably evaluating their options for long term relationships to fair market value. I think on average this is true and even for men this is true. Maybe its …	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/09/24 02:45 PM
–	Women liking social skills and confidence is not a "gotcha" against men having complaints about female nature. Yup i actually agree. I think its fundamentally an attention, exposure, and marketing problem A company with a decent product (but not uniquely good) that doesnt know how to out compete or out advertise its competitors will never sell product Similarly, a decent guy who doesnt know how to get himself in front of women to show his interest often enough wont get looks Dozens of suitable men are proactively trying to be with any average or above average girl at any point in time. Thats just the way…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/09/24 02:01 PM
–	Women liking social skills and confidence is not a "gotcha" against men having complaints about female nature. No he doesnt lol. An obese chick hating on mens preferences is not the same as a reserved person disliking the need to be a social charmer Obese woman shouldnt be obese period. Thats bad for her and everyone around her. Its gross and an addiction. Men being reserved is not a health problem and doesnt hurt his ability to be a good person, be healthy, or have good relationships lol. Its also something many people might even prefer in a friend / partner (in theory)	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/09/24 01:55 PM
1	Men intentions on getting sex is universally diverted into relationship rhetoric Idk in what way you want me to describe my opinion but maybe you should just watch psych hacks on youtube. My background is in economics and economics modeling so I like his framing of relationships This is one video where he describes basic value transaction in relationships and makes a relatively air tight argument: https://youtu.be/PXj_eAd56oI He has other videos detailing that on average men want sex and women want resources / attention I believe.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/09/24 07:27 AM
2	Men intentions on getting sex is universally diverted into relationship rhetoric Yes id say men primarily want sex from a woman. I think the companionship and other stuff is social structures that we built around this fact	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/09/24 07:05 AM
2	How do you handle this joke? “It’s so hard being a woman” Depending on if shes a friend or a romantic interest, id just joke back in a flirty way or a way relevant to the friendship lol	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/09/24 06:31 PM
7	Men intentions on getting sex is universally diverted into relationship rhetoric Lol i know what the replication crisis is. And i dont take his words as gospel. Its simply a model of reality that i see as true often enough. I dont 100% agree with it but lets not act like women dont prefer men who earn more than them and will physically keep her safe. Women like providers on average And resources dont have to be the guy literally paying the woman. It can be economic resources and even just his time and attention And yes women do outearn men. Thats a primary driver of why sing…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/09/24 06:07 PM
8	Men intentions on getting sex is universally diverted into relationship rhetoric Its the conventional trade. I learned this from a psychologist who speaks on relationship dynamics so you can disagree. I would add companionship there as well but fundamentally i would agree that most women primarily want attention and provision from people they find attractive and men primarily want sex from people they find attractive. Women want sex too so maybe add that in but if a man aint providing attention or some sort of resource (time, energy, money, etc) then women arent down You can…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/09/24 05:04 PM
16	Men intentions on getting sex is universally diverted into relationship rhetoric Dr orion tarabn talks about why men and women need to massage their words and actions to hide what is really being transacted in relationships For men its sex. For women its attention + resources You dont outright say those things in order to protect the dignity of those involved in the transaction and not make it obvious Also women control access to sex and get 100000 offers every day. Offering just sex usually aint gonna cut it unless ur a stunner	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/09/24 03:45 PM
12	Truth being friends with lots of girls may also be a negative. Especially if none of them are attracted to you. Its only a negative if you dont have enough male friends and also if you refuse to capitalize. Beings friends with chicks is a huge plus in general because most social events outside of gaming w the bros, playing sports w the bros, or gymming is better with a nice mix of males and females And you can meet females more easily if you have 5-10 female friends	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/09/24 04:23 PM
–	Debate : Without legal intervention or social shaming, older men would usually choose very, very young women; older women would be largely ignored. Lol bro what i agree that younger women are hotter and id def wanna fuck em But i disagree that we need legal intervention to stop men from only pursuing young women Marketplace dynamics will not allow that. Only the top men get the top women. If young women are top, then most men will not be able to secure young women. Men would begin to sort themselves out and date less and less desirable women unless they completely check out the dating market Women are almost always wanted by many men at lea…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/09/24 03:19 PM
–	Debate : Without legal intervention or social shaming, older men would usually choose very, very young women; older women would be largely ignored. Yes i cant escape the fact that i grew up with the norms i did I still prefer dating someone similar in age. Maybe that will change as i learn more or date more women	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/09/24 03:03 PM
-1	Debate : Without legal intervention or social shaming, older men would usually choose very, very young women; older women would be largely ignored. Younger women are hotter and sluttier but I also would like to relate to someone and share a life with them eventually. Id date younger but def not anyone too young. Might stick to max 7-10 year age gap if i hit my mid 30s but def prefer a smaller gap	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/09/24 04:11 AM
4	Only "Successful" Lives are Valued What you say is nice in spirit but the point is that some people just are less valuable and thus society cares about them less. Thats almost what being less valuable means. Some people have such little value that it’s difficult for them to maintain decent friends / jobs / relationships. Thats just the fact of the matter	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/09/24 04:35 AM
3	Women are lazier when it comes to relationships Yes and now women dont view men with any empathy or respect and men are suffering. So the pendulum has swung.	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/09/24 01:08 AM
1	Women are lazier when it comes to relationships Even if i were to believe your sources, you’re referencing older couples which is fine but i think couples less than 30 usually dont follow this setup But im not gonna argue that people in their forties dont potentially act the way outlined above. Times were different back when older couples learned how to make a good relationship	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/09/24 09:48 PM
3	Women are lazier when it comes to relationships I was making an analogy to professional work life. And also, I used to work that much and more. But yeah most people cant relate to that. Which is also why i dont relate to the ‘average’ dude or girl Im saying providing often and regularly is great and men generally are okay with that (this is working ~40 hours a week in the analogy). But providing all the time without appreciation or your wife wanting to help out with your load is undesirable (the 70 hour workweek without appreciation part of t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/09/24 04:40 PM
8	Women are lazier when it comes to relationships To be fair raising a baby is hell if you dont have extra help from extended family or aunts or something. But yeah women really drag it lol. Raising a baby aint harder than working 50 hours a week and dealing with a shit boss or company lmfao	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/09/24 02:57 PM
6	Women are lazier when it comes to relationships No one wants to be on perma provider mode. It is nice and fulfilling to be appreciated for providing for your family. However, always being ‘on’ and always having to provide and catering to women’s whims nonstop is the extreme that is mentally taxing to men Its like how your work may be fulfilling or interesting. But if you’re forced to work 70 hours a week without appreciation, you’re not gonna feel great.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/09/24 02:55 PM
1	Do men still prefer to be the main breadwinner? And what would the ideal wife be in this scenario? It would be nice if my wife made good money along with me but id say that i am worried that women dont respect a long term partner who make less than them so i prefer a woman to make as much or less than me just to avoid headaches and make the relationship have better logistics I wouldnt prefer you worked some minimum wage job though because that signals a complete lack of skills	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/09/24 09:12 AM
8	Women are lazier when it comes to relationships I know what youre talking about but this isnt really happening outside of a few anecdotes. I know 0 families where the man acts like this. When the man and the woman are working, I see the man and the woman share the responsibilities of the home and also the children Yeah maybe in the 90s or something maybe this happened more frequently because of attitude but its insane to act like a marriage isnt a partnership. Men dont just come home and relax while having slaves. In America those types of re…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/09/24 09:04 AM
23	Women are lazier when it comes to relationships Men dont coast the rest of their life lmfao. And women dont bear the burden in LTRs. Men have to generally provide and also keep their wives happy and romanced or else she leaves Its a nonsense myth that men do nothing to maintain LTRs.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/09/24 03:24 AM
17	Women are lazier when it comes to relationships Yup. Average women get to demand men basically cater to their whims and give them treatment and experiences. Meanwhile they have no idea that men never get to experience those things. Its just the sad reality. Men can never ‘turn off’ and stop providing	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/09/24 03:11 AM
2	No one, not even women, can actually read the room properly Bro yes you can. Just because you can’t read the situation or read people 100% of the time with perfect certainty doesn’t mean that you can’t create a vibe or understand the vibe 80% of the time Tough shit that you’re gonna be in weird situations 20% of the time. Who cares. If you wanna be a man you gotta deal with shame and risking yourself all the time in order to get what you want. It is what it is	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/09/24 03:22 AM
4	Objectification and degradation in porn Porn objectifies the fuck outta men too lol Women watch multiple jacked 8 inch cock dudes on drugs tag team hammering away girls pretty often lol	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/09/24 02:34 AM
3	Q4M how often do you approach other men for conversation Not crazy often but happens frequently enough Random dude at a bar, random dude at a store, random dude in a gym. Its not hard at all. Dudes usually are pretty chill. Just went to iceland and shot the shit w some icelandic dudes at a late night eats spot and they told us which night club to hit up	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/09/24 11:48 PM
2	Being laid back and uninvested is not what makes men attractive, women are attracted to men who act like that because those men are already attractive Acting nonchalant once you’ve expressed interest or have approached is what you gotta do Yeah its crazy what men need to do so that women dont get disgusted by them being average but it is what it is	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/09/24 11:46 PM
1	Women will talk about male "Locker room talk" then go on to write a novel about their sex life to their friends This sub is full of weird people and the men here are usually full of anger and sadness because they dont get picked by women The average guy complains or victimizes himself a lot less than the average woman	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/09/24 11:29 PM
3	Women will talk about male "Locker room talk" then go on to write a novel about their sex life to their friends Yes lol Look just keep it real: men and women are both shallow and many are immoral and scumbags (at least for some portion of their life and to some people) The difference is men dont have bs moral superiority complex. Men do act like victims but not nearly as often or as seriously as women do	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/09/24 10:58 PM
3	Women will talk about male "Locker room talk" then go on to write a novel about their sex life to their friends False. I have female friends. Many who act like victims or are very feminist will still say some crazy shit about random dudes’ dicks and give me details i didnt ask for lol Some guys give details too so maybe its not so gendered but dudes dont cry and act like they never do this	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/09/24 10:49 PM
6	Blue pillers just don't want "unworthy" people to date or have relationships. A transaction is literally an exchange of two things that have equivalent perceived value at the time of occurrence lol Reciprocal sounds like the same thing In economics a transaction or exchange of value does not need to be done using literal dollars	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/09/24 06:16 PM
–	Why doesn’t the mainstream talk about how unbelievably brutal dating is for men? +1 the other comment that said it doesnt sell well at the moment Also, men have been demonized and villainized consistently for about 2 decades now to the point where its actually okay to publicly humiliate and dehumanize a man for being a man lol. And not only that, men are still expected to be strong and provide and keep the economy going. If a buncha men have dating problems, society (ie women and men who arent losers) doesnt care. Its on you to fix your problems as a man. Maybe in 5-10 years…	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/09/24 10:03 PM
11	Blue pillers just don't want "unworthy" people to date or have relationships. Ah i remember this post Yup dude nothing you say is wrong Women will never understand what its like for men to literally have the default setting of being viewed as assholes, invisible, or worthless. Your emotions are pretty reasonable and valid. But dont expect sympathy from neither men nor women. Women dont care about mens problems at all. Half of men to them are evil creeps or invisible. The other 1/4 are friendzoned harmless dudes. The other 1/4 are the ones that they are attracted to. None …	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/09/24 09:56 PM
1	Blue pillers just don't want "unworthy" people to date or have relationships. Link the og post? Would love to read	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/09/24 09:16 PM
27	Blue pillers just don't want "unworthy" people to date or have relationships. Blue pillers will act like the fundamental transaction between a male female romantic relationship isn’t that men want sex and companionship and women want attention / resources and companionship They want to delude themselves into thinking that you’re supposed to be deeply in love with every piece of a woman because they buy this disney channel bullshit. You should love her just for her! But that is nonsense. Living with a partner is amazing because it makes your life easier and you can have se…	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/09/24 09:13 PM
16	Men are shamed for basically having sexual desires Its because men are generally pursuers and can physically threaten women. Women’s sexuality doesn’t usually physically threaten a man. And also women generally don’t pump and dump and get post nut clarity like men do Also, women’s sexual arousal is a buildup over time (not an instant switch like men). All of these factors contribute to mens sexual urges being incongruent with womens and of course men will be the villain because women are physically weaker and separately women will always find a …	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/09/24 05:16 PM
8	More women need to practice what they preach when it comes to sex and dating When you think about it, it makes sense. Men’s gender roles and how they’re valued never changed. As a man, you must be able to solve problems, provide, and be competent. Women want competent men. There is no requirement of that for women. Arousing a woman is both hard and takes skill. Arousing a man takes much less skill. Women don’t need much skill or any charm or anything really other than be mildly healthy in order to get some action. Women will always have the ability to be hypocrites and n…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/08/24 02:13 PM
1	Why women reject most men and how men can empathize with them Having many shitty proposals given to you is not the worst thing. Its the fact that the proposals are shitty and women are wired to freak out around men because they are bigger and dangerous But agreed. It is definitely convenient	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/08/24 11:34 PM
6	How can i pick up/ hit on MEN without coming off as awkward or creepy You won’t be creepy to men in 95%+ scenarios. It almost doesnt matter what you say to get an average or mildly above average guy so long as you’re roughly average But if you want to seduce attractive men, then just give them plenty of opportunities to shoot their shot and give them plenty of signals. Ie, find excuses to start a convo or be near them. Laugh a lot. Go to parties. Just increase your encounters with people you find attractive and you will start to get more from them Good thing is yo…	/r/seduction	29/08/24 02:42 PM
–	CMV: A man isn't obligated to step in and save a woman from being mugged or assaulted. Well men are valued as literal meat shields for women. Ive seen women put men in dangerous situations and also women expect that strangers come save her as if she’s gonna save some stranger when the time comes. Women just expect men to save her and harm themselves for her	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/08/24 01:19 PM
1	How to get friends with benefits / casual hooks ups in big city as an average at best guy I agree that i should think highly of myself but there is a level of delusion to not admit that my looks arent amazing lol I still need to learn to strike the balance if believing i can bag a 10 and also knowing that i prob wont outcompete her best options because im not at least an 8/10 lol	/r/seduction	29/08/24 01:06 PM
1	How to get friends with benefits / casual hooks ups in big city as an average at best guy Thanks bro Why is me categorizing myself as avg a red flag	/r/seduction	29/08/24 04:45 AM
2	How to get friends with benefits / casual hooks ups in big city as an average at best guy Thanks man i appreciate the criticism and the advice. I think my facial deformity is partly cope but party not. I do want a LTR but im finding that the women I am attracting are not what i want to commit to. I want to improve myself as much as I can before I start to commit. Its definitely the case that at my current seduction level, if i was a 7/10 i think i would close much more easily and often However, at my current looks level, if i was a 7/10 in seduction, i would also close more easily an…	/r/seduction	27/08/24 03:33 PM
1	If a lady is not being intimate with you, it means you are not attractive enough or not trust worthy enough I think trustworthy is accurate except nothing about the attractive person is trustworthy. You just feel physical attraction for him and want him in you lol	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/08/24 02:11 PM
2	Need some sense slapped into me 33m went on a date with 21f Sparks are for women. Youre the man. You manufacture attraction. Women open up when you do and say the right things. It’s your job to create chemistry Unless you’re taking the route that you don’t want to fuck most of the girls you go on dates with unless they prove themselves, which is also cool and a high value thing to do but then i dont understand how you can post something like this lol But hey if you’re going on dates with baddies then what do i know	/r/seduction	26/08/24 10:06 AM
1	How to get friends with benefits / casual hooks ups in big city as an average at best guy Thanks bro im def weak in the escalation area. Im not a total scrub but definitely not a suave and methodical escalator yet	/r/seduction	26/08/24 10:02 AM
7	Need some sense slapped into me 33m went on a date with 21f Dawg if you’re going on multiple dates with 8/10s then you shouldnt have any scarcity and you definitely shouldn’t be acting like this over a random chick lol You’re probably over rating the girls	/r/seduction	26/08/24 03:05 AM
9	Need some sense slapped into me 33m went on a date with 21f Nah bro i feel your pain. I also im not really pressed about girls and fundamentally i know that im not a loser. I always get dates and its not impossible for me to get some women interested The issue is i dont feel like i can consistently rizz up girls i deem to be 7/10 or more. So if i get attention from anyone who is actually good looking instead of average, i get way too excited. I find myself waiting for them to text me back and all of that. Its funny because even when i have other options,…	/r/seduction	26/08/24 02:54 AM
1	How to get friends with benefits / casual hooks ups in big city as an average at best guy I mean i guess i could but its pretty expensive. Plus feels a lil weird for me to do all that	/r/seduction	26/08/24 02:33 AM
39	How to get friends with benefits / casual hooks ups in big city as an average at best guy Tell me where I can find decent looking milfs cuz im down lmao	/r/seduction	26/08/24 01:36 AM
6	How to get friends with benefits / casual hooks ups in big city as an average at best guy All right thanks guys i appreciate this. I think i just gotta amp up the man to woman vibe and plan my dates for sex better. Usually i make them more romantic and flirt a good amount but i need to make them more sexual and lead directly to my bedroom quickly Its also been hard in clubs. I get numbers or instagrams but not much came from it. I havent had a ONS in so long I think i need to get back into my just try to fuck girls mindset	/r/seduction	26/08/24 01:34 AM
1	How can I deal with disrespect from women who doesn’t care about you If she openly is roasting you just call her fat or ugly. If shes hot then maybe say no one loves her and its not surprising she’s single. If shes hot and taken, then well you gotta take the L on this one	/r/seduction	26/08/24 01:31 AM
9	How to get friends with benefits / casual hooks ups in big city as an average at best guy Can an average guy do decently on feeld?	/r/seduction	25/08/24 11:42 PM
9	How to get friends with benefits / casual hooks ups in big city as an average at best guy Im getting there now. Im saying by spring 2025 i’ll likely begin my cut or be close to my goal body Right now my body isnt bad but its not good enough to flex on dating apps	/r/seduction	25/08/24 11:07 PM
15	How to get friends with benefits / casual hooks ups in big city as an average at best guy I literally dont care who it is haha I just want to have consistent sex with someone i find somewhat attractive consistently so i can work on myself and not be so damn horny all the time lmaoo How can i find these people though? How can i make it clear I only want casual	/r/seduction	25/08/24 11:05 PM
20	How to get friends with benefits / casual hooks ups in big city as an average at best guy Yeah i mean i am working on that. Fuck i guess i need to find a somewhat not attractive girl. Bare minimum is that shes not fat lol	/r/seduction	25/08/24 11:02 PM
6	How to get friends with benefits / casual hooks ups in big city as an average at best guy Yeah sadly im gonna have to find a girl whos just dtf and not good looking. I guess my bare minimum is not fat.	/r/seduction	25/08/24 10:53 PM
2	How to get friends with benefits / casual hooks ups in big city as an average at best guy I already use them but not sure what a good strategy to get a consistent hook up is. Obviously cant be overly direct and just say ‘i want something casual and consistent’ lol	/r/seduction	25/08/24 10:13 PM
1	Men are not disadvantaged by taxes Yes men overall earn more because Women give birth and end up taking up a lot of responsibility around the child (usually more than man. Reasons 2 and 3 below explain why this is okay) Women highly prefer men who earn more than them in relationships. This forces men to earn more than women as a driving force in their life. Women have the same driving force to try to be pretty all the time Because men have a driving force to make more, and because women want men to make more than them, many women…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/08/24 04:13 PM
1	Men are not disadvantaged by taxes Young women out earn young men already lmfao Women graduate college at higher rates too Women are so angry that men ‘earn more’ yet they are the ones with the preference that highly incentivizes men to do anything in their power to earn more lmfao. If my ability to get a good wife and my status is tied to my income, then im gonna max that shit out. Women do not have the same incentives at all and focus on their social lives and health much more than men	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/08/24 02:26 PM
1	Embracing the Redpill is like stepping out of a sunlit dream into the cold light of day No one controls the narrative lmfao. Society and culture is a democratic process where stories and ideas are propagated by everyone collectively. You think all men meet on a sunday night and say ‘time to propagate the narrative that women are all pure and angelic!’. Lmfao Ideas like that stemmed from material reality and of course were influenced by men when men had more political power than women. But again, women don’t have to propagate that image unless they want to. Women dont have to act ve…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/08/24 02:17 PM
2	Embracing the Redpill is like stepping out of a sunlit dream into the cold light of day Lmfao men dont create these images any more than women do. Women act like men run culture without women’s inputs and its legitimately laughable. Women are 50% of the population and women consume and propagate culture as much as men lmfao. Women actively work to appear innocent and feminine. Women want to be seen as angels who are pure by the men they like. We as a society treat women like this. Women treat women like this. Men treat women like this Women are just as scummy and immoral as men are…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/08/24 07:14 AM
–	Would you want to be a man? Grass is always greener. And men want to be fundamentally valued for having a human body that is desirable (like women are). Men cant even imagine what its like to be valued and cherished for just existing You want these things because you feel you lack them as a woman which i agree women do lack. However, you discount the fact that you are cherished and valued for being a woman and that is better than being an average man who has no achievements worth discussing. I prefer being a man to a woman…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/08/24 07:09 AM
–	Would you want to be a man? Yeah thats true, thats the upside of being a man. The downside is, statistically speaking, you’re not gonna be one of those men who actually are successful and have moderate control over their future. The chances of you being a somewhat successful man that has options with women is probably the same as you being a 7/10 woman. Its not terribly unlikely but if you’re not a cute girl who most men would like to date long term, then you have already experienced the same probability that most men face…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/08/24 06:58 AM
–	Would you want to be a man? Lmao you will be constantly ranked on your ability to provide and be successful and never falter in life. Men are success objects and women are sex objects No matter who you are unless your support system is A+, you will be used and objectified and it will be mentally taxing	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/08/24 10:44 PM
4	Embracing the Redpill is like stepping out of a sunlit dream into the cold light of day Literally not true lmao men are taught that they are evil and are taught women ought to be protected and cherished It is absolutely not the case for the other way around. Women are held up on a pedestal in society and its pretty obvious lol	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/08/24 02:09 PM
–	The dating market does not suck for women 😂 Your analog for women’s non practical standards is to tell men to date single moms or women who are fat. Dating single moms implies signing up to raise a child… and for the 1000th time: you can lose weight as a woman its not that hard. Women literally discriminate men on looks on more shallow and immutable characteristics than men do to women. Men dont require a banging body, just not fat lol And okay fair enough men dont want ugly women with respect to faces and this does hurt everyone in the…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/08/24 01:34 PM
1	Why does it seem many Mainstreams dating apps like Tinder, Bumble, Hinge, paint themselves as "Progressive" and "Female Friendly" yet make most of their money from a large Male audience? Bro what kinda question is this. This isnt new. Women are catered to so that they show up. Men will go anywhere attractive women are and men will do most anything to fuck an attractive woman. This is the main principle and a driving force for our economy lol Women aint gonna show up to a place that caters to men because men follow them no matter what	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/08/24 09:18 PM
5	There's a huge difference between what younger women want and what older women want which I believe causes a lot of confusion between what works best for dating Yup RP genuinely just describes the state of the market and what works in general Some men dislike it because they don’t like How it frames the world and think its incel thoughts and dont want to be associated. Women dislike it because harsh truths make them look bad because it shows women are not angels and that their attraction is even more morally fucked up than male attraction to females	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/08/24 04:50 AM
–	Most of what gives women the "ick" are just perceived shortcomings of masculinity Another man slowly discovers that women yap about equality or try to have reasonable morals but at the end of the day their attraction has nothing to do with morals or whats right. Dont listen to women for advice on dating women. They all internally battle the fact that theyre attracted to things that dominate them and make them feel small and protected. They want a big powerful man that wants to do everything for them. Women, like most humans, dont actually care about having consistent and reas…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/08/24 04:48 PM
2	"No" man fails to get into a relationship because of his personality I didnt literally mean max out but yeah top 10% in looks or status would get you far with no other traits needed	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/08/24 01:31 PM
0	"No" man fails to get into a relationship because of his personality Yes if you max out looks or status then you don’t need to have attractive personality traits However, since most people can’t max out those things their personality is the thing that is holding them back	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/08/24 03:38 AM
2	An average guy who is a good conversationalist has a greater chance of women treating him as "one of the girls" rather than it being an influence on their attraction toward him. I never said i was making a revelation lol what read the thread bro. Im agreeing with you that men just have to be the one that makes the moves. He has to manufacture attraction	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/08/24 03:38 PM
1	An average guy who is a good conversationalist has a greater chance of women treating him as "one of the girls" rather than it being an influence on their attraction toward him. Im no rockstar who gets girls easily but my chance of getting a girl interested when i dont flirt or sexualize is low as hell. When i do flirt and sexualize at least i feel like theres a shot	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/08/24 03:36 PM
4	An average guy who is a good conversationalist has a greater chance of women treating him as "one of the girls" rather than it being an influence on their attraction toward him. Dating religious women when you’re religious is way easier because you both already have a lot in common and in general you prob dont need to be so pronounced with sexualization You still need to flirt and show sexual interest beyond being platonic though lol she aint gonna do it first	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/08/24 03:35 PM
4	An average guy who is a good conversationalist has a greater chance of women treating him as "one of the girls" rather than it being an influence on their attraction toward him. Being masculine and pursuing women. Showing courage, confidence, and qualities that strong men do. Showing traits that women desire	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/08/24 10:20 PM
5	An average guy who is a good conversationalist has a greater chance of women treating him as "one of the girls" rather than it being an influence on their attraction toward him. Because most men aren’t built to fit the masculine frame and take risks and be potentially shamed for trying to rizz a woman Men who overcome that fear realize that that is the only way but most men never do	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/08/24 09:01 PM
8	An average guy who is a good conversationalist has a greater chance of women treating him as "one of the girls" rather than it being an influence on their attraction toward him. Women aint gonna be attracted to you unless you sexualize your conversations. You’re the man. You have to risk the embarrassment and being called a creep. It is what it is. If they’re attracted to you physically then they’ll flirt and it’ll be obvious. If they’re not initially attracted (most likely because women dont find most men attractive) then its on you to manufacture attraction. Its annoying and bullshit but it is what it is. You’re the man. You’re gonna take all the risk and have to be c…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/08/24 08:58 PM
1	Men who couldn't get any women to talk to them to getting women to sleep with you, what changed? Whats your approach strategy?	/r/seduction	17/08/24 03:13 PM
–	Some research or survey came out saying 45% of men aged 18-25 have never approached a women. Yeah i mean i agree lol. The amount of personality hire women i know or women who were given jobs that a more competent man was not is crazy. Thats not to say the women in these positions arent competent but they simply are not as competent as the best men who were denied (usually) I literally dated an investment banker girl who didnt even know what the interest rates were during an interview and her entire job revolves around pricing debt instruments lol. AND THEY STILL HIRED HER. Actually comi…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/08/24 08:21 PM
3	CMV: women aren't empathetic caring individuals Women don’t care that men don’t have sex. Women literally are disgusted by such men Beyond that, women are economic agents just like men. Empathy and all of that is nice and all but all that matters at the end of the day to someone is their incentives and how they feel about achieving more rewards Beyond that, most women have a fear / hate / disgust for men in general lol. You aint getting empathy as a man from anyone but men and maybe some few women who are in your life. I can say its likely th…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/08/24 04:50 AM
–	Are We Trading Monogamy for Misery? How Feminism’s Sexual Freedom Is Failing Us Bro women aint gonna listen to this. Their body is their currency and they know it. The analogy for men may be a man who earns moderately good income hearing that the government wants to increase taxes to help make society more equitable. Yeah maybe the government could do such a thing if they picked more from your pockets but you sure as well won’t like your power and freedom and your status reduced because of the government. Even if its for the greater collective good It’s the same with women.…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/08/24 04:44 AM
31	Some research or survey came out saying 45% of men aged 18-25 have never approached a women. They dont care. 50% of men are not people to them and their attention is negative. 30% of men’s attention or interaction can go either way. Only 20% of attention from men they’d want but they’d bathe in it all day if they could They aren’t fucking themselves over at all beyond what is already the world. The sexual marketplace is already not regulated and women’s sexual desires short term force that many women aim for the same man. Their collective preferences are fucking everyone over BUT women …	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/08/24 01:44 AM
1	Approaching in real life is obsolete, and that may actually be a good thing for both men and women Sorry to hear that. I also grew up in poverty and I agree that too much pain isnt good. But you are wrong. Pain is necessary for growth. Life is not all good times. You will never obtain anything of value in life without pain, mistakes, and regrets. You need to get hardened and live in a way where youve overcome difficulties to allow you to obtain valuable things. Thats just the reality. The inherent benefit of pain is that it teaches you what you dont want and you need to learn to handle pain a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/08/24 05:17 AM
1	Approaching in real life is obsolete, and that may actually be a good thing for both men and women I think as a man — or even human in general — being zen and hardened to rejection is a good quality to have. The world is a harsh place. It absolutely sucks to have your self worth trashed on by some random girl but you need to be able to handle it. Life has far worse things than getting rejected by a stranger and as a man you have to learn to stand up tall. Yes many men can’t do it but if you can’t then sorry life is gonna be very difficult for you unless you were born with a strong support sys…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/08/24 09:48 PM
1	Approaching in real life is obsolete, and that may actually be a good thing for both men and women Yes i know lol Just saying not like online dating helps solve the fact that women are disgusted by most men being alive lol	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/08/24 08:28 PM
2	Why are women surprised that men ask mostly for physical intimacy only, when emotional vulnerability quite often results in judgement, ridiculing, or rejection? Because they dont actively realize that they are turned off by men being humans and not stoic providers lol I mean they probably know it in the back of their minds but again, women’s sexual preferences in men are not congruent with ideas of equality and valuing human beings for what they are. Its sad but it is what it is	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/08/24 04:59 AM
3	Approaching in real life is obsolete, and that may actually be a good thing for both men and women Except most women wouldn’t mind being approached and swept off her feet by a smooth guy who did all the right things and was good looking enough And not to mention the digitization of dating allows for all the downsides of online dating that harm people’s abilities to humanize people and not treat them like a picture	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/08/24 04:46 AM
4	Blue Pill men: Would you be happy being the marriage material or someone she would have casual sex with? Yeah its really fucking weird and honestly so gross. The more women ive dated the more disappointed i am in how completely unsympathetic and clueless they are about men. Maybe its the girls im dating but its so crazy that women think its normal to let you know you were not the physically most attractive or most endowed person they’ve ever been with lmao Newsflash susie, ive been with hotter girls too and i also think its possible for me to do better but im trying to make things work with you and…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/08/24 05:21 PM
8	Blue Pill men: Would you be happy being the marriage material or someone she would have casual sex with? Women always say offensive bullshit like this and it’s so annoying. I cant count the amount of times girls who partake in hookup culture will say some bs about other guys Its actually crazy. I dont see men constantly comparing women to their exes or ex hookups directly to the woman’s face like women do In my past, women have literally talked about how theyve been with guys with huge dicks or how theyd cum easily if a guy had a 8 inch cock. Also talked about how life would be great if they were w…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/08/24 03:43 PM
4	Many TRPers in here have a high external locus of control, and are hypocritical about it. Yup women will constantly yap about ‘the bar is on the floor!’ Meanwhile they literally are disgusted by average and below men lmfao	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/08/24 03:59 PM
1	Many TRPers in here have a high external locus of control, and are hypocritical about it. I agree many people have high external locus of control I disagree that red pill people are people who have more of this trait than others on average Red pillers believe in self improvement Men complaining about women is different than women complaining about men but both do get tiring to listen to. Men complain about women because women literally do not find most men even mildly attractive whereas thats not true for men. Men are never given a shot and banished into the shadow realm and women ar…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/08/24 03:57 PM
25	Double standard re. Male vs female insecurities Thats not a double standard at all. People simply align with those they know better. Also you’re more likely to hear the positions of people you know so obviously moral virtue will seem on their side and make the other party seem worse Women are coddled for having insecurities. Men are laughed at for having insecurities lol Yes its a generalization but we all know women say ‘that guy is so insecure’ as an insult whereas we all know tons of people that cheer up women who whine or cry about female…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/08/24 04:42 AM
1	Men need to normalize makeup and cosmetics to better compete like women do Plenty of examples of women who are slightly unattractive moving to slightly attractive via makeup Theres also examples of women moving from not good looking to pretty good looking with makeup. To deny this reality is just being bad faith lol And yeah not sure how or if men collectively will adopt this but i just thought something like this could be helpful	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/07/24 03:02 PM
3	Men need to normalize makeup and cosmetics to better compete like women do Yeah lol women in here saying bullshit about ‘it only accentuates the beauty that was already there’ No it doesn’t. Anyone wearing a full face of makeup or other things look way better than without it lmao But yeah if you’re only wearing eyeliner then fine its a small detail but filling in brows, eyeshadow, etc. all of that makes you look drastically different	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/07/24 02:59 PM
1	Men need to normalize makeup and cosmetics to better compete like women do I have no resentment to it lmfao im literally saying it makes sense why women do it and it would be nice if men had something similar. I dont care if women wear make up, i think it looks nice lol	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/07/24 05:24 AM
2	Men need to normalize makeup and cosmetics to better compete like women do Except you downplayed how impactful it is. The entire post is about using makeup to increase attractiveness so nice comment that shows you have 0 to add to the discussion beyond just being offended that im pointing out women use makeup to become more attractive	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/07/24 04:47 AM
–	Friendships are inadequate substitutes for romantic inclinations Women dont want sex as often as men. They dont have the urge to fuck everything They want and love sex but they’ll only do it if the man strikes the mood with them or if they’re very horny and already have a dude they find attractive who’s down to dick them down Women can do without sex or at least dont have that daily urge the same way men do so of course they’re okay with solutions like just have friends and cats. Women would rather be alone than with someone who they aren’t attracted to and w…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/07/24 04:43 AM
3	Men need to normalize makeup and cosmetics to better compete like women do Nope some women look very different before and after makeup Most women probably dont use that much makeup but i have seen time and time again women go from mildly ugly to mildly attractive with makeup Ive seen them before and after and the fact that you want to deny this is ‘sending me’ Of course i recognize them because Ive seen these women dozens of times for hours on end with and without makeup. That doesnt mean them with makeup looks like the same person as them without makeup You can litera…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/07/24 04:39 AM
1	Men need to normalize makeup and cosmetics to better compete like women do Lol ive seen what makeup can do with women and how different some girls look during dates and parties and for instagram photos than they do without makeup It doesnt just accentuate things, you literally look completely different lmao A girl can easily go from a 5 to a 6.5 or a 7 with makeup if she does it right. Some girls really transform A girl im seeing now literally looks so different and shes good with makeup. Ive had 2-3 girls that i used to see that look night and day with and without mak…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/07/24 04:23 AM
1	Men need to normalize makeup and cosmetics to better compete like women do This literally isn’t true lmao. Im actually pretty aware of women’s makeup trends and women with and without makeup (for moderate to heavy users) makes a night and day difference You wont go from a 1 to a 10 but you can go from average or meh to very cute. Ive seen it time and time again. My friends who are girls and good with makeup glow the fuck up. Yes they arent fat and dont have hella pimples but if you’re a moderately skinny girl (which isnt a big ask…) then makeup really does add 2-3 poin…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/07/24 04:18 AM
-1	Men need to normalize makeup and cosmetics to better compete like women do Lol my point wasnt that using makeup is a good strategy. My point was that its something that should be considered to be normalized as a temporary solution for men’s problems. If all men did it, it would probably work But if all men also did other things like not simp, that would work as well Im just saying, women value looks more than ever since financial aspect from men is less expected. Men could stand to benefit from temporary solutions like makeup if it were normal to do so	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/07/24 04:13 AM
0	Men need to normalize makeup and cosmetics to better compete like women do This subreddit is oriented around dating so idk why you’re here Obviously agree that we all need to find happiness outside of the other sex though	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/07/24 10:24 PM
2	Men need to normalize makeup and cosmetics to better compete like women do This is the case now. Im arguing more for men adopting some way to temporarily improve their physical appearance like women have. Yes this is a fairy tale and wont happen by tomorrow but if men normalized makeup, i think many more men would have a shot with average women	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/07/24 10:21 PM
-2	Men need to normalize makeup and cosmetics to better compete like women do Well its better to have a money pit and your foot in the door than to be chronically lonely or dismissed as hideous lmfao Im not an incel by any means but i do recognize the value makeup brings to women while also creating a crutch for them to rely on	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/07/24 10:20 PM
1	Men need to normalize makeup and cosmetics to better compete like women do I said 3 to 6 for an unlikely but possible jump. 4/10 to 6/10 is a more reasonable and often seen jump by women. Yes plenty of women dont wear makeup everyday but id guess women who are competing for male attention or actively looking for a boyfriend are often wearing makeup. Some may not be but most women who are doing normal dating in the West are probably wearing makeup often. And they do so especially when they go out and go to social events	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/07/24 10:19 PM
8	Men need to normalize makeup and cosmetics to better compete like women do Yes agreed but game theory would dictate that all actors not wearing makeup is not a nash equilibrium. Every actor has incentive to change strategy and start wearing makeup since its a temporary stat boost and you can outcompete using it Thus the equilibrium is everyone wearing makeup This is basically for women	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/07/24 10:16 PM
1	Men need to normalize makeup and cosmetics to better compete like women do Men are using cosmetics more often and theres still a social stigma against men wearing makeup Im making the argument that there needs to exist something in place that temporarily boost men’s attractiveness enough for women to not Be disgusted by average looking men. Makeup was this for women. Men need something too	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/07/24 10:15 PM
2	Most women make it incredibly difficult for men to meet and connect with them these days No lol. Women’s ratings for men are highly skewed whereas men’s ratings for women are more reasonable. Average Women literally think average looking men are disgusting Whereas average men dont think the same of average women Anyways, your point still stands that if someones not physically attracted they cant force you them to accept them. I agree	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/07/24 09:34 PM
1	Why do straight women like other women so much more than they like men? I agree men like men more as friends and to shoot the shit However, men dont have some glowing view of all men as beautiful and having some amazing qualities. Women do get a natural benefit of the doubt or positive sentiment associated with them by default	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/07/24 07:26 PM
1	Why do straight women like other women so much more than they like men? Yup i wish i was gay assuming my parents wouldnt excommunicate me. Dealing with a man is 100x easier than dealing with a woman. Plus we’re both down to make money and live well off whereas a woman is generally not as down to get into provider mindset	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/07/24 07:24 PM
1	Why do straight women like other women so much more than they like men? I think also women view men in the context of a threat and aggressive often whereas most women share their views and experiences as women. Straight Women don’t often have to deal with romantically seducing a woman so they dont really understand what its like to put up with them. Im sure lgbtq women have different mating strategies but i bet a lot of principles from male to female seduction still apply. Straighr Women not having to deal with women romantically is probably why they view most women…	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/07/24 07:23 PM
1	“More women should start approaching men” and the average guy would still be invisible Well women would approach more men and fairly rate them if they weren’t constantly approached by men and offered sex. So men would have to stop caving in for any and all women just to have sex. And men would have to stop giving women so much unnecessary attention Then the change in sexual demand each individual player experiences would change and thus the player would modify their strategy. It’s easy to be picky or non logical and non proactive when you passively receive dozens of offers and nev…	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/07/24 05:47 PM
2	Isn’t it immature and weird for a woman to be turned off by a man voicing his sexual desires first instead of physically trying them? Yes its bullshit and immature and very conflicting that women are aroused by men who are just dominant and know what to do They want men who are pre selected and thus know women Its hard wired into them. Its weird for them to balance the fact that they basically want to have someone else control the situation even though a reasonable adult functioning in the world would never act that way Its bullshit and dealing with women is a headache for both women and men. It is what it is but learn the gam…	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/07/24 05:08 PM
3	Isn’t just being upfront that you are not an LTR/Marrying guy and telling your date openly to expect no commitment better than plate-spinning or pretending you are in an LTR, but not really committing? Like it’s being honest. That’s always admirable. Agreed. It is immoral for men to lead women on. And its also kinda shitty behavior for women to go on dates with guys but then have their side dude to fuck whenever necessary. Meanwhile she’s making the other guy go through hella bullshit and acts like a puritan when she knows shed fuck something she found attractive lol	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/07/24 06:47 PM
1	Most women aren't complicated or mysterious, they're fickle, impulsive and poor communicators I agree with what you’re saying. The main reason i think this occurs is because most people are not as attractive as they hope and they’d feel like somethings better out there because they see some options somewhere in their current dating profile matches or their post who are better looking. Thus they feel they can hold out a bit longer. In reality, they’re probably a 5.5 or a 6/10 and they’re gunning for a 7/10 Many people have reasonable personalities and most people get to love the quirks in…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/07/24 02:06 PM
5	Most women aren't complicated or mysterious, they're fickle, impulsive and poor communicators If a woman doesnt make time for you or is hot and cold its because you’re not her first option Same with men. Its not hard to slot a single evening for a person. Everyone texts and everyone wants to make plans. I do the same to women in holding on the backburner	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/07/24 05:01 AM
2	Men's romantic success depends on their ability to succeed at patriarchy and capitalism Agree with everything except the patriarchy nonsense We dont live in a patriarchy in the sense that feminists use it. This isn’t a male dominated society where men have more social political or economic power than women anymore If patriarchy is the natural structure that emerges from capitalism being implemented then i will concede we live in a patriarchy but then we should agree that it’s a natural consequence of humans maximizing individual freedoms and utilizing their competitive advantages	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/24 01:43 PM
1	There’s really no point to every man doing self-improvement because women have relativist attraction. There will always be a hierarchy of reshuffling winners and losers even if men have objectively raised the floor. Yup women seem to always recalibrate their preferences to select for something like the top 1/3 of men Men can do everything women want and women would still hate the bottom 2/3 of men lmfao However, i disagree. Self improvement and getting your shit straight is good for you regardless of whether a woman finds it attractive And not to mention, as men, we compete with younger men who have less time to have cultivated certain skills and finances. So if you’re not self improving, you’re hurting you…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/24 03:41 AM
1	I've found that, contrary to what women say, one's ability to be friends with women and one's ability to be romantic with them are unrelated I agree that women want men stronger than other men but disagree that women dont want men to ‘dominate’ them. Most women are aroused by a men taking control of them sexually and in a wide array of social situations Of course they dont want to give up their agency but they enjoy a man who leads her and lets her relax	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/07/24 04:43 AM
–	Gay men love men more than women do I honestly wish I was gay if it wasn’t socially looked down upon by my family The idea of someone being masculine and handling everything every now and then seems amazing lmao. Dealing with women often results in headaches cuz you have to worry about her feelings and emotions constantly whereas im sure thats less often the issue with gay dudes	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/07/24 10:11 PM
0	Why are so many women insulted by the idea of guys making compromises to get sex? I mean im sure some women are like that. A ton of high body count chicks still get decent dudes because they eventually learn to chill out and go for more meaningful relationships But this doesnt disprove that women with low experience aren’t easier to manipulate. That’s just true	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/07/24 08:03 PM
0	Why are so many women insulted by the idea of guys making compromises to get sex? Men going for inexperienced women shows that they lack competence and experience themselves and thus have to target women who are easier to fool and manipulate. I know why some men may prefer a woman with low experience but I also can see it as manipulative targeting Women shitting on men who pay for sex or are passport bros are ridiculous though. With one side of their mouth they’ll claim my body my choice and how sex work should be legal but then on the other side of their mouths yap about ‘fi…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/07/24 05:48 PM
2	The notion of a "female intuition" that can "sniff out desperation or misogyny" is completely idiotic and delusional. Women’s ‘radar’ is for 1. Safety concerns 2. Masculine / dominant traits Their ‘radar’ doesn’t care so much about misogyny or whatever a ‘personality’ is lol They simply are turned off by unsafe men or men who are not highly masculine (basically men who show traits that are either good genetics or good protection and resource acquisition). Women just say bullshit about men being ‘creepy’ or ‘desperate’ or ‘not attractive’ when they detect that the man fails either the safety or the masculinity a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/07/24 07:06 PM
16	Women simultaneously dislike men approaching because they feel treated as "romantic prospects" instead of "regular people" yet dread the moment a male friend would suggests something more Its hard navigating this shit as a man Went on many dates with girls and tried ‘connecting’ by getting to know her personally. Realized i didn’t create enough sexual chemistry and lost the girl Then went on many dates where I try to flirt more and create more chemistry. Sometimes it works, sometimes girls really dislike it. Its really hard to know what the truth is because i know that women would of course be turned on if i was very handsome and i could get away with a lot. But im not. Im averag…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/07/24 04:12 PM
1	I've found that, contrary to what women say, one's ability to be friends with women and one's ability to be romantic with them are unrelated Bro just ignore what women say. They are probably being honest about expressing their desires with what they like about men who they are already attracted to. Obviously in their minds a man who relates to them a lot (AND is attractive) is what they want lmao In reality women are aroused by men being masculine and showing competence with women. Women get aroused by the idea of a dominant man who loves her and only her. This is obviously a weird conflicting thing to be aroused by because it’s weir…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/07/24 04:21 PM
2	How is it possible to be attractive if we are not preselected? Gym and all of that stuff is nice but if your face isnt fucked up and you dont have a speech impediment, the only thing holding you back with women is your inner game. Fundamentally believing that you can get and attract women is what sets apart many men who get laid and men who don’t. I still struggle with it and my face is not good at all. But when i play the game correctly my shot percentage goes up by a lot. Work on inner game and seeing women as just people that also wanna fuck. Many 17 yea…	/r/seduction	15/07/24 09:49 PM
5	Do you think formerly promiscuous women are mostly disadvantaged in the dating market at least when it comes to getting commitment /marriage? It is likely a privilege to have the ability to receive short term affection from many men on demand lmfao Yea it has downsides where women may get too reliant on it or use sex to cope with life being bad or a breakup or something Regardless, being a slightly below average man is worse than being a slightly below average woman lol just admit the benefits you get in a sexually liberated society that props women up at the expense of non high performing men	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/07/24 09:46 PM
7	How is it possible to be attractive if we are not preselected? Youre 17. Its easier to pull 17 year old girls than it is to pull 27 year old women. When a girl is 17, almost 0 guys know anything about how to be smooth with women or have confidence. Just try to act like you have options and be confident. Don’t worry about rejection. Women want you to approach them. Preselection helps but not really sure its the most relevant thing with teenagers lol	/r/seduction	15/07/24 09:30 PM
2	CMV: women with delusional standards due to sexual attention from appealing men are the functional equivalent of men who fall for strippers who just want their money I already admitted many men have delusional standards I dont think men on average or in general are highly hypergamous. And if they were, it’s not nearly as much as the average woman would be lol	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/07/24 11:19 PM
1	CMV: women with delusional standards due to sexual attention from appealing men are the functional equivalent of men who fall for strippers who just want their money You can argue that many men have unreasonably high standards and I would agree and you can argue that many women have unreasonably high standards and I would agree as well lol It is a fact though that older women simply have less value than younger women all else equal. The same is not clearly true for men. These are whats observed by the aggregate preferences of men and women	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/07/24 10:37 PM
2	CMV: women with delusional standards due to sexual attention from appealing men are the functional equivalent of men who fall for strippers who just want their money You’re talking past OP. His argument is that women have higher standards than reasonable and thus even women who are looks equivalent with a man will not want him. Therefore men will have to settle for lower than his looks match I dont 100% agree with that framing exactly but I agree. Many people who are 4-5/10 (a massive portion of the population) don’t want to be with other 4-5/10 people	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/07/24 07:42 PM
–	Women in their 20s usually like guys our/their own age Im not lol Its a reality that older women have more baggage and there’s a higher probability she is single for a good reason For a random american woman, if someone’s 22 and single, the probability she may have tons of deal breaker (for my standards) may be something like 60% For a 24 year old woman maybe 65% For a 27 year old woman: 75% For a 30 year old woman: 90% Better candidates get picked up earlier and are not as frequent on the dating market. That’s just a mathematical fact For men the p…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/07/24 06:35 PM
–	Women in their 20s usually like guys our/their own age Im 26M and i’d only really consider seriously dating a girl at most 2 years younger When im 30 maybe id expand that to 4-5 years but def no more Kinda sucks when i realized that i dont have another 10 years to get a 24 year old woman. I dont want to be 36 dating a 24 year old so even im feeling the time pressure that ladies feel	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/07/24 04:25 PM
2	Men feeling emasuclated by dating a independent and strong women doesn't make sense Id actually only date someone who has a reasonable career and good head on her shoulders. Dual income makes life better plus I don’t wanna date someone who doesn’t understand the working world or how money works lol I’d still be ‘the man of the house’ if she shows she wants that. And I’ll still play the masculine role. Im also not a bumb so I’m not too scared of being a loser in 10 years and she breaks up w me because of that	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/07/24 01:54 PM
0	Clubbing Dont worry bro i had my down months too. Still getting over a girl who i broke up with. And been job hunting non stop too. Lifes brutal sometimes Just aim to lose 1-2 pounds a week for a year or year and a half. I was able to lose about 15-20 over 3-4 months of pretty solid dieting and i ended up pretty shredded. Sucks that you gotta lose 80 but the upside is that your base is probably large so when you lose 80 pounds you’ll be built af under Sounds like a long time but you’ll build yourself up …	/r/seduction	08/07/24 04:50 AM
4	Clubbing Dawg lets keep it 100 You weigh 235 at 5’7. Lose at least 80 pounds before you’re worried about club game	/r/seduction	08/07/24 12:29 AM
5	Flirting is a learned skill by men. Dawg what. You can flirt with your girl just because its spicy. Also you can flirt when they don’t expect it and it will have the affect of getting them worked up sexually It also builds anticipation	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/07/24 12:19 AM
1	The average clueless boomer had a more balanced and realistic view of gender relations than the average terminally online zoomer I dont 100% agree but I definitely agree that gender roles make sense in a world where women and men have quite different competitive advantages in the world. It’s clear to anyone who isn’t a brain fried academic writing about feminist literature lmao	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/07/24 09:01 PM
1	Feminism cant claim moral superiority on gender issues and gender equality without giving equal importance and providing equal effort to mens issues Feminism is obviously not for men. The only reason they say its for equality is because the assumption is that women are somehow subjugated under men lol A lot of feminist complaints are really complaints on capitalism or natural power differences In any case, dont expect a political movement to be hyper rational. Its goal is to convince people to spend their time non stop advocating for it lol. It’s not exactly about finding pragmatic solutions for real problems (though there is overlap)	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/07/24 10:18 PM
1	Telling women to date men “with potential” is the gender flip version of “If you cant handle me at my worst, you dont deserve me at my best”. Lol okay your definition of potential and already successful men are just different than mine	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/07/24 09:28 PM
3	Telling women to date men “with potential” is the gender flip version of “If you cant handle me at my worst, you dont deserve me at my best”. You cant be serious LMFAO You think a med school student or an engineer student or someone who just began their career is a loser? This logic is hilarious. You have 3 choices: Date a bumb with no potential Date someone with potential and not much realized success yet Date someone already successful Based on your attitude and your replies, you’re not gonna land number 3. And dating number 2 clearly has a higher expected value return for you. Just because theres risk in 2 doesn’t mean its not a go…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/07/24 08:14 PM
2	Telling women to date men “with potential” is the gender flip version of “If you cant handle me at my worst, you dont deserve me at my best”. You’re supposed to grow and build with him. You’re supposed to be useful, loving, and also continue to improve lol Your alternative is to date someone without potential (a bumb) or wait and only date winners. If a guy with potential will replace you once he has a little more success, then you would never even land a winner in the first place Also guys dont become successful overnight. It’s a 5-10 year long grind at least lol you can be a great woman on his side, stay fit, also help with finances…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/07/24 08:09 PM
0	Telling women to date men “with potential” is the gender flip version of “If you cant handle me at my worst, you dont deserve me at my best”. These are pretty different lol Telling a woman to date someone with potential or who has a decent future is like telling a woman to pick someone who she can reasonably compete for and has a good future ahead. If women all wait at the finish line and only date winners, they will experience severe competition. If you’re not a 8+/10 then dating only winners might not even be a viable strategy for you because they simply won’t settle for you. But a woman who sticks by a guy and dates him because he …	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/07/24 08:04 PM
0	Acting slightly immoral with women is the best way to actually get quality women I agree partially but i think as long as you’re not aiming for someone who’s clearly 3 or more points out of 10 more attractive than you, than you can use game. It works for a lot of guys. At minimum, if you dont have game you wont even be able to attract a girl whos in the same looks percentile as you	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/07/24 04:56 PM
3	It's important to distinguish between looking for a relationship vs looking for a hookup I think many men are like this. Thanks for acknowledging my standards as valid. The people on this subreddit are really weird. I think its bizarre to aim for a super young woman unless you guys are both extremely religious or traditional	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/07/24 09:14 PM
5	It's important to distinguish between looking for a relationship vs looking for a hookup Maybe it is hypergamous but i doubt im being delusional. Asking that someone have good values and being roughly as attractive as you isn’t even close to some of the standards that women put on men Men can be as physically attractive as a woman and as smart and have good values but will be discounted for a plethora of reasons. If they dont have charm or are shy, forget about it, she won’t even know you exist. If he’s an inch shorter than average, then he’s short and she’ll feel like she’s settlin…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/07/24 09:08 PM
7	It's important to distinguish between looking for a relationship vs looking for a hookup I actually really dont prefer girls in their early twenties. Im 26 and dating even younger than 24 is not my thing. I agree with you that young girls in their early 20s party a lot. I cant blame them since i also partied, but at the end of the day, them having high body count will disqualify them from some non small percentage of men Im okay with a girl whos had a partying phase but shows strong qualities now. However, ive almost never experienced that since the havent found a proper relationshi…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/07/24 08:57 PM
1	Not using C I do it all the time. Have done it dozens of times with a girl who wasnt even on birth control Usually pulled out but many times didnt Now im fucking raw girls who are on birth control	/r/seduction	05/07/24 07:30 PM
6	The Redpill and Bluepill are two sides of the same coin- both are equally gynocentric, just in different ways. And women have disproportionately high power in some places and contexts as well. You’re acting like women are second class citizens in the West. Young women literally outearn men and young women have tremendous political power. Kamala harris is literally the vice president of the united states primarily because she brought in votes from women and minorities. Women’s spending habits drive much of the economy Women’s preferences in men are a driving force for a majority of men to dedicate their l…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/07/24 05:30 PM
5	This is worth a watch, maybe the outlook on dating for men is perhaps too pessimistic Dan bacon is pretty spot on. His videos helped me Sometimes his flirts are a little aggressive but hes pretty level headed and treats women respectfully in his content. Hes just helping men actually know how to be a gentleman and smooth	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/07/24 05:19 PM
9	It's important to distinguish between looking for a relationship vs looking for a hookup You’re talking about men on the internet. No one I know would assume that a woman who doesn’t sleep with a guy right away is unattractive Also you’re mad that men find it distasteful when women sleep with other men they actually find attractive but then settle for a guy they ‘actually like’? I get what you mean but i can understand why men would be put off by that lol Women have no rules or boundaries with men they find attractive but somehow become strict and demanding once they find a guy they…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/07/24 05:17 PM
6	It's important to distinguish between looking for a relationship vs looking for a hookup Wife material: 1. Someone who is roughly as good looking as you or better 2. Someone who has a good head on her shoulders and can regulate her own emotions 3. Someone who wants to build a good life and has habits and evidence of doing such 4. Someone who has a strong desire to be with you and remain loyal to you 5. Someone with actual tangible positive qualities that show clear value to you. For example: being smart and actually caring and thoughtful. Being ambitious and financial responsible. B…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/07/24 05:09 PM
9	The Redpill and Bluepill are two sides of the same coin- both are equally gynocentric, just in different ways. OP claims bluepill is gynocentric. And gives a few reasons why. Yes it’s not as if he quantified anything or had a rigorous definition of gynocentric but I thought he made some points that people living in the west would agree with. You claim that culture is generally for male desire. It’s not 1970 anymore. You claim women would be lucky if their desires were taken into account at all. I think it’s a ridiculous claim to act like women don’t have substantial political, social, and economic power …	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/07/24 03:10 PM
1	The Redpill and Bluepill are two sides of the same coin- both are equally gynocentric, just in different ways. I would argue that the best red pill advice i got that im still trying to adhere to is that i need to live a compelling and full life. I need to improve to get there. Women will join the ride if I invite them but if not, it’s fine The primary beneficiary of self improvement is me, not my girlfriend or wife. Although a lot of advice is based on being more attractive to women, having a life and being in control of yourself is primarily good for you and only secondarily good for women	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/07/24 02:20 PM
16	The Redpill and Bluepill are two sides of the same coin- both are equally gynocentric, just in different ways. You didn’t have any counter arguments against the post and just stated your opinion as fact lol You’re literally talking past the post	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/07/24 02:16 PM
0	Acting slightly immoral with women is the best way to actually get quality women No i dont think so. I think they want strong signals of a man who has the ability to get other women. For them that minimizes risk and also shows theyre spending time with someone who was vetted	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/07/24 02:10 PM
0	Acting slightly immoral with women is the best way to actually get quality women No i dont. I think you’re deciding to read into the parts that bother you without engaging. Also i dont flaunt that i have options. I just dont appear desperate and show i dont need her approval. Its more about showing that you are independent and live a compelling life. The girl can join you if she wants but you dont need her. I never outright brag or talk down to her lol	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/07/24 02:57 AM
0	Acting slightly immoral with women is the best way to actually get quality women I think you have a 50% probability of being correct But there are many ways she could have lost attraction. And maybe someone else showed up and showed her better masculine traits from the getgo Whatever it is, all i know is that she did seem somewhat interested and then i did blow it. Idk why or what i did exactly but i’ll bet that i probably would have helped my situation by making a move earlier	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/07/24 07:43 PM
2	Acting slightly immoral with women is the best way to actually get quality women She asked me why i never made a move on her But also it could be the case she became less attracted BECAUSE i didnt make a move	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/07/24 07:31 PM
0	Acting slightly immoral with women is the best way to actually get quality women Yes in an ideal world but that’s impossible. Humans naturally desire things that other humans don’t have. We play status games and naturally view others as below us. Thus everyone is trying to maximize their own status and resources at the expense of others Because of this, people play games to signal status, superiority, etc to get what they want	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/07/24 07:27 PM
1	Acting slightly immoral with women is the best way to actually get quality women I dont think women are the same but I believe in math and statistics. Certain actions had higher rewards on average. A business knows its customers are not all the same but if it doesn’t try to figure out how to out compete other businesses and acquire more customers using data and brains, then the business will fail unless something about it is inherently demanded by many customers	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/07/24 07:22 PM
1	Women are NOT for sale Young Women today have money and are out earning young men. They still apply selection pressure onto men to earn more money. Whether it’s patriarchy or simply the natural system that forms by people expressing their preferences in a constrained economic environment, women still prefer it I also dont see how your response advances the discussion or addresses the debate.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/07/24 07:11 PM
–	The secretary problem and applying optimal stopping theory to "dating to settle" I semi agree but this model is still useful. Suppose you only let yourself interview a candidate for 2-3 months tops before deciding. You give each candidate an honest effort at connection. You might actually be unlucky and have met 4-5 poor candidates and you could ask yourself what you need to change in your process but the model proposed isn’t that bad	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/07/24 06:10 PM
–	The secretary problem and applying optimal stopping theory to "dating to settle" Wow super impressed with this post As an economist turned data scientist who is now dating, this was a great read. Never realized game theory had such a clear and useful model like this	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/07/24 06:05 PM
1	Women are NOT for sale Yeah idk what schmurby is even talking about. You go on a date with someone and see if theyre open to sex lol thats literally how it works	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/07/24 06:02 PM
1	Women are NOT for sale Yup a vast majority of men can’t just get sex for free. Bingo. Gentleman take women out on dinner dates for casual sex too. They just never push too hard or act weird about it. Many women who want casual sex or are open to sex would still want to go on some dates. Get real lol	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/07/24 05:59 PM
2	Women are NOT for sale Don’t blame men for this, blame the dynamics between men and women in today’s marketplace Many women offer casual sex freely and willingly. Men want casual sex in general. However, many women who want casual sex also want to be taken on a date and treated like a lady. Not always, but many times. So men know that the way to get casual sex OR to find a girl who’s wife material still follows similar strategies. Not to mention that if a man doesn’t sexually advance the ball, he can often lose a woma…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/07/24 05:54 PM
1	Acting slightly immoral with women is the best way to actually get quality women Im not advertising that im doing it but if they ask i say i have been on dates w other girls I still think the fact that in order to become attractive to woman, the most reasonable path for me was to go on this route where i am sort of objectifying them and using them. I mean i guess im not 100% using or objectifying but it doesnt feel as clean as me focusing on one girl trying to build something with her and her alone	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/07/24 03:03 PM
1	Acting slightly immoral with women is the best way to actually get quality women No id want women to like the real me but i believe to get an attractive womans attention or interest i do have to play certain roles especially in the beginning And during a relationship i might relax and be more myself but i still know my role is the best the masculine one and show those qualities when necessary	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/07/24 02:45 PM
1	Acting slightly immoral with women is the best way to actually get quality women Id say the behaviors and attitudes ive adopted absolutely would help meet ‘quality’ women I dont do anything crazy i just act more confident, show less investment to a girl than I used to, and playfully tease her while also eventually sexually charging conversations. I try to reinforce the male female dynamic to make it romantic. Thats it. Id say this is what 90%+ of the women in the dating market want to some degree	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/07/24 02:30 PM
2	Acting slightly immoral with women is the best way to actually get quality women Not really i dont think i deserve an award and i dont think these girls are willing to fuck anyone lol	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/07/24 02:26 PM
3	Acting slightly immoral with women is the best way to actually get quality women Although I probably do need therapy and have gone to therapy over the years for reasons you wouldnt understand, i dont think this post is similar to the other weird posts on this subreddit And id argue me thinking about the immorality of my actions or asking about other people’s experiences shows that i am not at least completely sunken. Furthermore, many times people don’t need therapy. They just need a change in their material reality. Changing their internal state could be useful but its not …	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/07/24 02:23 PM
1	Acting slightly immoral with women is the best way to actually get quality women Ur right honestly its not. I realized i sound dumb. The immoral part to me is just knowingly dating and having sex with multiple people while also ‘building a connection’ with them as well	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/07/24 02:21 PM
2	Acting slightly immoral with women is the best way to actually get quality women I dont think im being cocky or doing anything wild or offensive. Im just making observations that the attitude and behaviors you have once you know you can get multiple women is what women find attractive. The issue is that in order to achieve such an attitude, the route there could be a immoral one or one where you use women But to be fair i havent found an attractive girl that i really am head over heels for via a dating app. Im probably matching with girls who are at my level or slightly wors…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/07/24 02:21 PM
2	Acting slightly immoral with women is the best way to actually get quality women I agree women have it hard in dating. Most men are scummy or losers (including me probably). But no the heavy lifting a man has to do is the do all of the logistics, be charming, carry conversation, do a bunch of work to be perceived as not a loser by women, etc. Most women can come as they are. Most men are not dateable as they are.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/07/24 02:17 PM
1	Acting slightly immoral with women is the best way to actually get quality women I guess im not lying. None of us are committed to each other. It just feels deceitful especially when you’re trying to build a connection with someone	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/07/24 02:12 PM
2	Acting slightly immoral with women is the best way to actually get quality women No. Im just saying this was effective. Id prefer to meet people some other way but I don’t know where or how yet My entire post shows that an effective route to actually gain attention from women involves doing things that could be unnatural or even considered immoral	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/07/24 02:11 PM
1	CMV: Women should not have to make outfit choices based on the creepiness of males And why shouldn’t men have the right to wear whatever they want in public without getting harassed or stared at? Lol So you’re okay if a woman wore a giant strap on to cover her genitals and a bunch of BDSM gear around a preschool? Surely you see how weak your argument is. Not only does your argument not make sense for women, the fact that you can’t extend your logic onto men shows that you’re just demanding special treatment for women	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/07/24 02:10 PM
3	Acting slightly immoral with women is the best way to actually get quality women Lol i mean thats a nice story but it shows you’re the one that took initiative and you guys also met organically This really can’t be compared to meeting strangers via dating apps	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/07/24 02:07 PM
2	Acting slightly immoral with women is the best way to actually get quality women Women follow their short term incentives just like you do. You can have a doomer mindset or figure out how to solve the problem. At the minimum figure out how to operate properly in the world given the situation	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/07/24 04:13 AM
1	CMV: Women should not have to make outfit choices based on the creepiness of males Lmao how? Your argument is effectively that people should be able wear whatever they want in public without getting harassed or stared at right? So you should be fine with men wearing only a condom on their dick and walking around naked	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/07/24 04:11 AM
6	Acting slightly immoral with women is the best way to actually get quality women Women are no less reasonable than men are Both are just self propagating biological systems that appear to have an affinity for self replication	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/07/24 03:02 AM
2	Acting slightly immoral with women is the best way to actually get quality women Im good i dont want someone who’s financially dependent on me. I want a reasonable woman to experience life with Yes the cards are stacked against me and dating in modern times is hell but i cant imagine spending my days with someone i dont respect as a person	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/07/24 02:53 AM
3	CMV: Women should not have to make outfit choices based on the creepiness of males I disagree Your logic and argument implies it’s okay for men to wear g strings and thongs and shake their dick around in public. If anyone stares or looks at him funny, then they’re creeps Women often wear ridiculous clothes to get people’s attention. There are differences between actual sports gear or workout clothes and shit women wear to try to look hot. Don’t get mad that the guy you don’t find attractive wants to shoot his shot when you wore a hot outfit in order to get the guy you were att…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/07/24 02:48 AM
5	Acting slightly immoral with women is the best way to actually get quality women How did you and your husband meet? And how did it develop into a relationship	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/07/24 02:35 AM
3	Acting slightly immoral with women is the best way to actually get quality women Yes tbh i dont really see any of the girls as keepers at the moment but i do want to try to get to know them more to maybe get into a relationship. I believe that it’s possible for me to fall for their personality if they do show me some good qualities I think maybe if i saw them as keepers id treat that one as a queen haha	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/07/24 02:32 AM
3	Acting slightly immoral with women is the best way to actually get quality women No i agree with you. What i find immoral though or at least not great is building connections with people and using them as 2nd and 3rd options. And worse, having sex with multiple people at once I treat women mildly decently and im def not a psychopath lol	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/07/24 02:02 AM
5	Acting slightly immoral with women is the best way to actually get quality women I disagree. I mean im naturally a charismatic and funny person with all people. I just had low self esteem and didnt think women generally want me so that if i were to flirt, it would come off super weird The only thing i changed is my attitude and now i assume that women are open to flirting and they do like me. Thats basically it	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/07/24 02:00 AM
3	Acting slightly immoral with women is the best way to actually get quality women I kissed her but she never gave strong signals and our dates generally ended with her taking the train home lol I shoulda just invited her over after 3-4 dates. She told me she was down but not anymore lol	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/07/24 01:58 AM
4	Acting slightly immoral with women is the best way to actually get quality women Yeah i agree. My argument is that embodying these traits is what gets women. And i think theres too much overlap in this confident ‘i can get any girl i want and any girl is replaceable’ attitude and an attitude that is okay with disrespecting women	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/07/24 01:57 AM
5	Acting slightly immoral with women is the best way to actually get quality women Huh? Lol i mean i kinda get what you’re saying but i dont get your point Im not acting like a pyscho to these ladies nor am i openly disrespecting them. All im doing is dating multiple of them and emphasizing masculine qualities. Im not out here being forceful or rude or weird to anyone man wth lol	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/07/24 01:55 AM
3	Acting slightly immoral with women is the best way to actually get quality women I agree i think i need to only try to have sex with women id see long term value in. It feels wrong to fuck someone you dont want to keep seeing	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/07/24 01:52 AM
4	Acting slightly immoral with women is the best way to actually get quality women What are you even saying i dont get your point	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/07/24 01:51 AM
2	Acting slightly immoral with women is the best way to actually get quality women For women i think thats an obvious conclusion given today’s market. For many men I think its not obvious. Most dudes are still insanely thirsty to get a single woman’s attention let alone even consider diversifying risk by dating multiple people	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/07/24 01:46 AM
1	Acting slightly immoral with women is the best way to actually get quality women I actually agree with you. I think the issue is that for most men, we have a strong biological urge to get laid. Now really admirable men don’t need to constantly get laid by any random girl and these men have a purpose stronger than sex. But, id say that for men it’s difficult to get their sexual needs met without at least playing this game a little and having some girls in your orbit to be FWB or something I agree though that ideally a strong man is self confident and has dick discipline and d…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/07/24 01:44 AM
6	Acting slightly immoral with women is the best way to actually get quality women Point taken. I think this post and my reply to you wasn’t really well formed. But no im not just going around pumping and dumping girls. I take girls on dates to find someone i want to have a relationship with. But im also constantly using the manosphere tips to get her sexually interested in me Id argue that the way I act around women now has a higher probability of attracting quality women. I don’t know if my actions right now are leading to me finding women who have strong long term traits th…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/07/24 01:42 AM
2	Acting slightly immoral with women is the best way to actually get quality women Im not giving advice lol. I just thought it was not comforting to know that acting and behaving in such a way actually leads to a lot of benefits	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/07/24 11:58 PM
10	Acting slightly immoral with women is the best way to actually get quality women I guess youre right idk. This post was a semi rant. Maybe the type of woman im attracting are not good. Maybe theyre attracted to the person im acting like. Fair enough	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/07/24 11:50 PM
9	Acting slightly immoral with women is the best way to actually get quality women I treat them all as special and try to be respectful as possible. But again, the advice goes that you need to do a lot of lifting as a man to continuously get interest from a woman. You’re a woman so I guess you don’t have to think about these things The problem is that i know some of the girls are also casually dating others and theyve made that clear so i dont feel so bad but to me its bizarre that you have to basically become a douche in order to be what women want. I never individually viola…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/07/24 11:49 PM
2	Acting slightly immoral with women is the best way to actually get quality women Lol everyone else does not date around but yeah its common. I personally dont like that this is the way it is, i find it pretty distasteful but I guess its a necessary evil and the standard thing most people will do And you’re a woman. You probably easily get to ‘date around’. For men, you have to acquire a certain status or learn how to talk to women (which many men, myself included, take years to learn) to even consider dating 1 let alone 2-3 women lol And i dont mean casual hookups when you’r…	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/07/24 11:43 PM
7	Acting slightly immoral with women is the best way to actually get quality women I know theyre also casually dating. But one girl has shown attachment and I don’t feel great about it lol I guess this whole casual dating where people all date multiple others just feels off to me. Its all fucking weird. But i know its in everyones best interest to date around if they can I wouldnt expect you to feel like this is a revelation, you’re a woman. You’ve likely had multiple men constantly orbiting you most of your adult life lol	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/07/24 11:38 PM
0	Acting slightly immoral with women is the best way to actually get quality women I mean i have to agree in the sense that we are doing the basic things to cover up our real actions in order to be presentable. I guess it feels fucked to me though to have sex with multiple women and I dislike the fact that in order to be attractive I had to basically start using people a lot more and lying more. It doesn’t feel right	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/07/24 11:37 PM
7	Acting slightly immoral with women is the best way to actually get quality women It feels immoral to lie and also actively treat women this way. Worse it feels immoral that in order to be attractive I basically have to use women (or go on some self love journey where i learn to not need anything from anyone i guess) I guess its not that immoral but definitely feels weird that in order to become valuable I have to deceive women and fuck other women so that they all feel the vibe that i dont need them. Idk its just a shitty fact of the dating market i guess	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/07/24 11:35 PM
1	What would you describe as a man repellent outfit, hair or makeup look? Being bald is almost never a positive. She may be hot while bald but her being bald almost definitely doesn’t make her hotter than her having hair	/r/PurplePillDebate	03/07/24 10:10 PM
9	What would you describe as a man repellent outfit, hair or makeup look? Bald	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/07/24 01:13 PM
1	[Debate] Men shouldn't take dating advice from women, period. Ask men how to attract women. And then ask women what they like in men to color in some gaps I only incorporate small bits of advice from women like being a man who makes them feel secure or be gentle. But that’s just advice I keep in my back pocket. If I’m trying to attract a woman or get a date or get laid, I always listen to men because men have to actually deal with straight women romantically. 5 Men’s advice has been 1000000x better than every woman’s advice I ever got combined Getting dati…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/07/24 12:13 AM
2	It's honestly ridiculous how much easier dating is for the average woman these days So what if hes jealous? I dont rlly get the point of calling him jealous when he obviously is admitting so lol His attitude is not appealing but what he’s saying could he reasonable and his feelings could be valid 🤷🏽‍♂️	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/06/24 08:33 PM
2	It's honestly ridiculous how much easier dating is for the average woman these days He literally says that those are the traumatic and tough parts of dating for women lol And obviously hes jealous of his sister. Thats the entire point of the post lol	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/06/24 05:27 PM
2	Why is there a belief that a lot of men have it easy? There’s truth to what you say but also not. Yes in a marketplace, the fact that a buyer engages with a seller means theyve agreed on price However, having hookups and relationships are two different markets. People always ‘date within their league’ in the sense that a mutually consenting transaction occurred But what men mean when they say they have sex with girls below their league is that men who are the top 20% with respect to looks or desirability, will often fuck girls who are say top 30 or…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/06/24 01:53 AM
0	american women are sabotaging themselves in dating Whats your method to get laid on first dates? Lately ive lost my balls and ability to ask girls on dating apps to smash on the first date. Still have a side piece who fucks me so i guess im not desperate. Usually on dates im not too sexual but realized thats my downfall and it is friendzoning my ass with girls who are otherwise interested Recently went on first date w a girl whos super busy with work. She said she doesnt kiss on first date. Second date just happened and we were on the train abou…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/06/24 04:20 AM
1	american women are sabotaging themselves in dating 80% on first dates is crazy. Either you are an 8+/10 man, have elite rizz as a 6-7+/10 man, or you are going on dates with 3-5/10 women I def got laid on some first dates while in nyc. But lately ive been trying to not fuck on first date because I feel like it’s usually not the vibe. Evidently, girls are down to fuck on first dates if they find you attractive enough lol I guess i also dont wanna fuck some random street walker who fucks everything. And im not attractive enough (or lack rizz) i gu…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/06/24 03:04 AM
1	american women are sabotaging themselves in dating Yea its sad. I mean i find it pretty disgusting or really annoying when girls openly talk about their rosters. Especially girls ive dated. Im mid twenties so a lot of mildly attractive and attractive people my age have rosters Because im realistically a 5 or a 6 at best (all in package) and I want to at least get a girl who looks like a 6 or 6.5, i sometimes have to make This concession and be okay that shes had sex w some dudes probably in the early stages if dating My goal is to keep dating, l…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/06/24 02:59 AM
-3	american women are sabotaging themselves in dating Its unavoidable in a big city. Attractive girls have options and get sex when theyre horny. You can have options to do and the same. But it’s not likely for her to really want you until at least 2-3 dates in. Maybe even 2-3 months in depending on schedules Yes i can find a girl who is prob a 5/10 and less slutty who would likely be dating only Me or at least not fucking random guys weekly. But if i want a girl who’s moderately attractive, 6.5+/10, she can fuck and date and do whatever. You just …	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/06/24 02:41 AM
1	Q4W: What do you think of girl's girls? Do you consider yourself one? Probably because you have a weird attitude about men lol I have many female friends and male friends. Everyone is cool with each other and we generally let people express themselves how they want to Or maybe my friends are just not normal i guess	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/06/24 04:29 PM
5	Q4W: What do you think of girl's girls? Do you consider yourself one? This guy is such a weirdo lmaoo its not that deep. I would have been fine if my gf did what that girl did. The gf prob also didnt want to emasculate the guy any further. Idk it was a shit situation anyway. She handled it reasonably well	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/06/24 04:28 PM
1	How do those who claim to be feminist justify pushing for gender roles and having more benefits when it's convenient? Abolishing the draft is a non answer. The fact of the matter is the draft currently exists for men and women aren’t going around stopping the draft of men nor are they complaining about it. That’s like responding to the argument: ‘women are suffering now, we need to help women’ And some mens rights guy says ‘i believe in abolishing gender and therefore no need to consider the practical issues here’	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/06/24 03:48 PM
1	Women uphold the “patriarchy” when it suits them The steelman in my mind is the west is a patriarchy because men hold a majority of resources and power as measured by overall wealth and overall political office. Feminism, in my mind, usually ends up being anti capitalist because effectively if one is capitalist and believes in free markets and meritocratic processes then women generally can get screwed over. I generally think the complaints women have against men or the patriarchy is a proxy for the ideals of capitalism where you maximize an i…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/06/24 03:42 PM
3	Women uphold the “patriarchy” when it suits them 100% agreed on people’s morality not really being rigorous and that humans are just agents optimizing to earn more of things they want However, women by and large, try to make the argument of patriarchy. They appeal to morality to talk about it. Once you try to make arguments about social structure or how society ought to be, then it’s pretty stupid for you to not have a reasonable position. It’s one thing to act and do things on your own terms and not care about others (most people). It’s anoth…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/06/24 03:27 PM
–	If it's true that 30 is the new 20, then why do a lot of women still feel like they are competing with younger women? Women obviously compete for men lol. Men obviously compete for women. If competition didn’t exist in sexual marketplace then you’d be fucking some random homeless dude as often as you’d be fucking a well put together man lol	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/06/24 03:17 PM
4	Girls just want to have fun. Don't need to be the top 10%. High level agree with this but it also is partially untrue. Many women desire traits in men that are relative. For example, women find men who are taller than average attractive. Women find men who are richer than average attractive. There is no fixed quantity of height or wealth that will check off a box for a large proportion of women. They simply want those who are better than others So yes it is a skill issue but everyone can not be more skilled than everyone else. Mathematically Impossible	/r/seduction	17/06/24 06:04 AM
20	Girls just want to have fun. Don't need to be the top 10%. Thats not bayes theorem lol	/r/seduction	17/06/24 06:01 AM
1	I believe Women "settling" is just biology. Whats so hard to understand? Men generally have to work their asses off to simply be noticed by a woman. And to pull a woman takes considerable skill. Most men know this When a woman has sex with someone more attractive than her, it’s very likely because dude just wanted to fuck her and then forget her. The disrespectful aspect of being used as a 1 day hold for someone’s penis vs someone who has hundreds of options at any moment choosing to sleep with you is the difference lol	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/06/24 05:16 AM
2	A woman listening to Red Pill influencers and taking their advice to heart is a sure way to attract abusers and narcissists The advice is that if you were to select or date a man who is considered an 8/10 in market value then that is a real tradeoff you might have to make. 95% of men aren’t ‘high value’ in this respect. But if you do want to date someone like that then they will have options and if you want to lock him down for whatever reason instead of a man who would commit to you monogamously then yeah you might have to entertain not being his only girl Better advice is to date someone who’s competent and actuall…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/06/24 05:24 PM
5	A woman listening to Red Pill influencers and taking their advice to heart is a sure way to attract abusers and narcissists I believe in the fundamental concepts of red pill but also think it’s bizarre how so much of it is around attracting ‘high value guys’ and how men can become ‘high value’. And it’s geared toward people who want traditional relationships. I think there’s a lot missing for mostly average ish men and women. I think the red pill commentary mostly is around or for pretty women and to also give average men an idea on how pretty women work Im a highly educated man in stem and although the principles of…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/06/24 05:04 PM
2	Women put the bar higher for men than most would want for themselves. Yes women are attracted to men who display above average qualities. It’s simply the reality of the world Most women are average and want men with brains and social skills that are above average. Hypergamy is real. On the flip side, most men would prefer women who are ‘hot’ which is also more than they are. People’s ideals are high. I would argue that the baseline for men being attractive is much higher than the baseline for women being attractive but that’s just the way it is. Blame your biology…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/06/24 04:37 PM
1	Do you think women's preferences shift as they mature or do they just "settle" for men they find less attractive because they want to get married This is a complex answer that I think serious science / thinking needs to be done to answer properly if you want to be rigorous about terms The reason for that is because one’s preferences change once they understand what is available in the market. For example, when you’re a kid you want to be a firefighter or save the rain forest or something. When you get older, you realize other important values and market constraints and realize that your old preferences were either unrealistic OR you may n…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/06/24 06:35 PM
1	How do some heterosexual men expect to have sex, while also shaming sexually active women/body count? The same way heterosexual women have fantasy desires about the men they will date or marry yet the desires go against economic reasoning or logic. This is like asking women why they hate the wage gap meanwhile they all strongly prefer men who make more than them. Or like asking women why they don’t like porn addicted men but they will themselves post sexual pics online or defend pornstars right to perform porn. Our preferences likely exist such that the market makes it difficult to obtain people…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/06/24 11:38 PM
1	Men are simpler to please than women, BUT... What do you mean by that? Like women think they have X disease or problem, present evidence, and the doctor ignores it? I can see where you’re coming from because even at times I propose an illness and doctors will ignore my diagnosis and do their own analysis. However, i dont see how this is a biased issue and i need to see concrete examples to think that somehow women are being grossly mismanaged. Its unlikely that women will present a cogent case for why they have X disease and doctors will j…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/06/24 11:31 PM
1	Men are simpler to please than women, BUT... Personally the only people in my life that i know that act like are my father and immigrant older brothers. But most westernized men i know who are not completely idiots know how to take care of themselves lol and do basic cleaning (not amazing cleaning but basic) Im not tryna hate on women but women also complain about a lot of random stuff that I never see evidence for nor would i complain about. Ive heard women say doctors dont listen to them or that people at work dont respect them. However …	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/06/24 11:16 PM
1	Men are simpler to please than women, BUT... Where do you people find these men lol. Every single man i know in my life knows to clean up after themselves. Many of my friends live alone or with roommates and there isn’t a magic wife that will clean up after them Idk maybe this was true for older generation but finding it hard to believe this is that common for anyone under 30 lol	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/06/24 11:04 PM
1	Most of the men who have low standards have them low because they aren't desirable enough to have them high. The point is that women uplevel their standards based on hookups they get from someone who was good looking but super horny or some fairy tale about the perfect man Yes that point is constantly being driven home but its true. The argument is not that ugly people generally have lower standards or that if the roles were reversed that the outcomes would be different. The argument is that women’s standards are unreasonably high for a large portion of men. Obviously there is a question of whether or …	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/06/24 07:20 PM
1	Are women aware of how men adjust their behavior to appease them? Men dedicate a substantial portion of their lives and behaviors go being attractive to women. There’s no doubt about it. But the things you listed are so pointless, weird, or cringe. Wtf lmao Better examples to show men also change their behaviors for women: speaking in ways around women to be inclusive, making sure to properly protect female friends or acquaintances as needed, being alert and wanting to help female friends or even strangers do physical tasks like lifting boxes, reaching things …	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/06/24 06:01 PM
2	How can a man with insecurities remain unruffled by women's predominant preferences in terms of tastes? Probably not true at all. Billions of men compete for women who generally only receive offers. Orders of magnitude less men compete to fuck other men who generally also want to fuck every and anything. Way less competitive pressure and necessity to please a gay man than a straight woman	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/06/24 04:29 AM
1	Men should do what they want, not what women want them to do Men doing what they want and not needing women is attractive to women’s reptile brains However, in modern society with our culture of wanting monogamous life long relationships with your best friend, this comes into tension. You can’t easily ignore or ‘lead’ your best friend as you would a subordinate. Just another way men need to learn to figure out how to attract women given their biological predispositions while also respecting their humanity in an egalitarian free society	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/06/24 03:19 AM
2	Men should do what they want, not what women want them to do Yup. Women talk more about how they did everything for the wrong man and also often talk about how they cant be attracted to good men lmfao Another girl literally mentioned last night to me that she tried so hard to date a guy who respected her and was nice but simply couldn’t. And she had multiple stories about how her ex was a douchebag 💀💀💀💀	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/06/24 03:15 AM
10	Why do people act like modern women are “easy” or that all they want is to hook up? Most women are not interested in casual sex whatsoever. Yup there may be more of a stigma against casual sex for women but tons of women have casual sex. They just do it for very attractive men and also lay low about it	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/06/24 05:37 PM
1	Do women think hypergamy doesn’t exist? How is equal or super sociological background not congruent with higher average perceived sexual marketplace value? They both refer to the same things. Different definitions of it point toward the idea in mating of wanting someone with a higher social value. And in the context of relationships, perceived sexual marketplace value is the same as social value. I dont know what your point is. I agree that clearly women (and men) will not settle for someone who does not economically improve their liv…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/06/24 06:11 AM
1	Do women think hypergamy doesn’t exist? I think we’re in mostly agreement about sex culture and how its wrong that people use each other. We agree here I will disagree with you saying female hypergamy isn’t that strong of a force. It doesn’t matter if your friends sometimes slept with some lower value men. The point is that on a much higher frequency, women tend to have short term relationships with men who have higher perceived value. It may be that 10% of the time women break this and some man gets lucky. But if 90% of the time some…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/06/24 06:02 AM
1	Do women think hypergamy doesn’t exist? Short term relationships are representative of what people want. Its a reflection of their decisions and desires. What you are saying is short term mating choices aren’t congruent with long term mating choices which I agree with. And okay i mean i agree that men that sleep with women and use them are not being the most moral figures. However, to push back, women use men just as much as men use women. Humans are entities that try to acquire things in a world of limited resources. Women use men fo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/06/24 12:32 AM
1	Do women think hypergamy doesn’t exist? Whether or not its a strategy in the sense its culturally dependent or if its more biologically oriented, i think it does not matter for people in the dating market now. The fact of the matter is women are doing much better than men and still require men to be something ‘more’ than they are. Hypergamy is ingrained socially or biologically in women for at least the next few generations. People want what they want and generally what they want are things that help them gain certain status symbols. …	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/06/24 12:25 AM
1	Do women think hypergamy doesn’t exist? I dont get your point. And i was not bragging about anything. Im just stating the fact of the matter on what situations people are willing to engage in with each other I think outright using women for sex is bad Im not even adding a moral weight to the idea of men ‘sleeping’ down or ‘dating down’. I dont understand your point. How does this mean nothing? Its a clear example of hypergamy in action. Men can only ‘sleep down’ if and only if women are willing to ‘sleep up’. Women in general don’t ‘s…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/05/24 10:11 PM
1	Do women think hypergamy doesn’t exist? No its really not blown out of proportion. Its quite evident that for short term mating a man with an average perceived sexual marketplace value of a 6 is willing to have sex with a 4 or a 5 average perceived sexual marketplace value woman. The opposite is simply not true. Hypergamy is about perceived status within a social group. It’s not about a single domain. Average-desirable men mate with somewhat undesirable women often. Highly desired men mate with average or even undesirable women from t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/05/24 07:16 PM
4	Do women think hypergamy doesn’t exist? Single moms generally arent higher status than the man they had the baby with lol. Youre talking about welfare moms as if theyre some high value woman who has a good head on her shoulders and is attractive. They may be more attractive physically than the dead beat dad but in the environment from which they come, its likely he is higher or equal value than her with respect to average sexual marketplace value. Also single moms get pregnant as young teens in shitty environments. Their decision maki…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/05/24 07:11 PM
1	Do women think hypergamy doesn’t exist? This is not relevant to be honest. You are right that women could be better in some areas like physical beauty or some personality trait. But the point of hypergamy that women consistently don’t understand is that it’s about women only going for men who have equal or higher average perceived sexual marketplace value. The man has values different than the woman does but he is desirable to many other people because he has certain properties such as being wealthy, masculine, competent, handsome, et…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/05/24 07:07 PM
–	Would the Male Heterosexual equivalent of yourself have an easier time or harder time in dating? Idk why op is acting weird. Sounds like he just wants to complain about how the average man is ignored and the average woman can get laid. I mean that’s true but i dont get why hes acting like that lol	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/05/24 06:56 PM
2	Are women aware of what they sexually respond to? You’re misunderstanding me. Having smoothness, confidence, and the ability to make a woman feel an ‘organic’ connection (or sexual arousal) is already something many men can’t do any its something a majority of men can’t do for many women consistently. It does make you above average as a man to have a smoothness and a confidence that women find attractive. Confidence doesn’t come out of thin air. It’s the emotional state that one has after the realization of consistent success in a domain. Consi…	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/05/24 06:55 PM
2	Are women aware of what they sexually respond to? Lol i mean yes some men naturally have it but a majority of men don’t. Again the point stands: most men need to constantly learn and try to become attractive over years whereas most women don’t really have the same battle. Women have the problem of filtering and not being disrespected and used by above average men. Men have the problem of becoming valuable enough to be considered even be an option for a woman	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/05/24 06:52 PM
3	Are women aware of what they sexually respond to? Yup i mean i agree. Well i dont know if its morally neutral. But those are the traits women want and those are the traits that signal men who are above average. Women want men who are better than their peers. It is what it is But yeah i think we can all agree people dont want legitimately bad people. Women just desire traits in men that show the men are better than other men	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/05/24 05:39 PM
3	Are women aware of what they sexually respond to? I think people talk past each other because they don’t understand the mindset of the other sex. Watch the video linked and it actually does a pretty good job IMO	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/05/24 05:14 PM
2	Are women aware of what they sexually respond to? The video directly defines bad boy. I am going by that definition However men clearly see that women like certain aggressive traits from men (that women generally find attractive) and think that acting overly aggressive is how to reach the ideal Many men who arent terminally online start to learn that its not about being a dick or outright grabbing asses. Most people just want to know how to be smooth or ‘masculine’. Its just difficult to know how to act ‘smooth’ when a lot of smooth behavior is…	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/05/24 05:10 PM
–	Would the Male Heterosexual equivalent of yourself have an easier time or harder time in dating? Whatever your average perceived sexual marketplace value is as a woman, apply that as a man. If you’re average (a 5) then imagine you’re some average income, average height, non remarkable temperament dude in the area you reside	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/05/24 04:44 PM
3	Are women aware of what they sexually respond to? I wouldnt say its ‘regular man’. Bad boy is short hand for men who are dominant or above average in masculine traits. Bad boys are always the ones who have more masculinity related traits than the average guy. Its relative. Women dont like bad men. I agree that they like masculinity. However, certain masculine actions are only desired if the man is attractive. If hes not attractive then he’s an aggressive creep. So you dont like all masculinity, you like masculinity from certain men and at certa…	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/05/24 04:35 PM
1	Are women aware of what they sexually respond to? The person i replied to agrees 100% with the video as well. The dude posting about grabbing ass is obviously a little immature or clueless	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/05/24 04:33 PM
0	Are women aware of what they sexually respond to? Im talking about the video which directly defines bad boy and which is the point of this post…	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/05/24 04:32 PM
-1	Are women aware of what they sexually respond to? Its a very accurate and also non offensive video. If people watched it they wouldnt shit on it so much because it actually is pretty level headed and accurate	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/05/24 03:32 PM
2	Are women aware of what they sexually respond to? Youre literally agreeing with the video. Bad boy is a shorthand for masculinity and ability to show masculinity	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/05/24 03:31 PM
2	Too many women are seriously NOT looking for an actual human connection with a man. Now that women have money and generally have the ability to get sex, they don’t need men as much as men need them (in short to medium term relationships). Shes okay with being alone, making money, having friends and having sex whenever she wants with some random dude who is attractive to her Men dont have that option. You have less close friends and you dont get sex on demand. Women not finding a life partner sucks but men not finding a life partner could be very lonely and demeaning. No sex, no…	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/05/24 03:23 PM
15	Men are never allowed to be "Good enough" No. If you want average or above average women, you need to constantly grind or have attractive traits. Generally those attractive traits are your ability to acquire resources, maintain control of situations, be masculine, and also understand women. Women don’t want you to be comfortable. They want to be comfortable. And both the woman and the man can’t be comfortable unless they already have a lot of resources or unless they don’t care too much about having more resources. You will always be co…	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/05/24 03:11 PM
1	Will the gender divide in the West get as bad as we see in South Korea? Not most men. And for any 1 man given affirmative action, there are more than 1 woman given affirmative action Women are clearly pushed into better positions for diversity reasons all throughout america	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/05/24 04:20 AM
1	The great "checklist" bait-and-switch (why most dating advice is useless) The advice is valid but the advice is for necessary, not sufficient conditions to get a woman Women want someone who has strong masculinity and physical health first (the necessary conditions). Then the personality and being nice to her and making her feel stuff comes into play. You can absolutely treat it like a video game. If you improve yourself on the masculine domain and then afterward be more gentle and receptive to women, then you get a good woman. Its just that its a long hard process of…	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/05/24 05:35 PM
1	Will the gender divide in the West get as bad as we see in South Korea? The economics and politics of the US are absolutely fueling gender divide. Young Women making more money than young men with affirmative action and consistent cultural support is definitely a big factor in many young men being disgruntled. Not saying women shouldn’t be in the workforce but there does not need to be more programs helping young women when young women are more educated and more wealthy than young men. Young men are simply not doing well. They need some help and if their economics i…	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/05/24 05:28 PM
–	Women should avoid dating late bloomer men Every time i try to stop believing in red pill, a woman in my life or on the internet says something they like or dislike about men in dating that completely verifies things Another case of woman dislikes man who doesn’t have it all figured out, isnt extremely masculine, and also doesnt have evidence of attracting other women They literally get the ick to find out men are humans figuring shit out too and can mistakes. Just gotta appear stoic and in control just so she thinks everythings all good…	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/05/24 01:34 PM
1	Why do women complain about men or the patriarchy on first / second dates with men? She’d also signal any normal guy to f off too lmao	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/05/24 06:13 PM
0	Why do women complain about men or the patriarchy on first / second dates with men? Womp womp	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/05/24 09:23 PM
3	Why do women complain about men or the patriarchy on first / second dates with men? And you’re responsible for choosing what to whine and be offended at	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/05/24 06:59 PM
5	Why do women complain about men or the patriarchy on first / second dates with men? Yeah you and some others made it clearer to me That i need to signal my Views and also vet people before dates better. Im not rlly a conservative, im a pretty issues by issues person which is also why i dislike any weird political labeling. Would just like to date someone who doesnt need me to be a raging liberal or a raging conservative	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/05/24 06:05 PM
7	Why do women complain about men or the patriarchy on first / second dates with men? Womp womp find another reason to complain when no one else is	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/05/24 06:03 PM
1	Why do women complain about men or the patriarchy on first / second dates with men? 😂😂😂 Yeah i think im gonna need to change my strategy and stop using apps. I suck at picking up women in normal wholesome scenarios Though	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/05/24 06:02 PM
3	Why do women complain about men or the patriarchy on first / second dates with men? Idt she was a misandrist but def drank a lil too much feminist kool aid. Totally fine if a woman believes in the vision of feminism but i agree that dating a misandrist is really horrible. I did it for 2 years and she still outwardly shittalks men to this day lol	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/05/24 06:01 PM
1	Why do women complain about men or the patriarchy on first / second dates with men? Yup	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/05/24 05:54 PM
1	Why do women complain about men or the patriarchy on first / second dates with men? I mean i get it. I wish there was a normal way to find out if people have these strong feelings before spending the entire night and money on a first date. I might literally start asking about political beliefs before first dates lol I guess im also worried most women would have incompatible beliefs (on the surface) so the question almost never brings in a good vibe	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/05/24 05:53 PM
12	Why do women complain about men or the patriarchy on first / second dates with men? Age range for the women is probably 23-25 over the last 2 years for me. Im 26 now	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/05/24 05:50 PM
8	Why do women complain about men or the patriarchy on first / second dates with men? My post literally says ive been on many dates where women complain or shit on men. And im also asking whether or not this is acceptable / common so what’s your point?	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/05/24 05:50 PM
4	Why do women complain about men or the patriarchy on first / second dates with men? Show me where to find non feminists hahah	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/05/24 05:48 PM
3	Why do women complain about men or the patriarchy on first / second dates with men? Yeah i agree. Its good to know i need to do more pre date vetting. I rlly dont want to be lectured by someone or viewed as a scumbag oppressor on a first date lol	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/05/24 05:44 PM
10	Why do women complain about men or the patriarchy on first / second dates with men? No im glad i knew who she was early on. My general concern is wondering whether or not 50%+ women do things like this and that i should accept it as normal in our discourse / culture nowadays. Many people have answered and showed me yeah nah this is not normal	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/05/24 05:40 PM
6	Why do women complain about men or the patriarchy on first / second dates with men? She was joking but she kept bringing up the patriarchy. She did it about 4 times. She also kept insisting that judging a woman’s actions the same way you do men’s doesnt make sense because patriarchy informs everything Anyways she was more outward about her beliefs but ive been on dates where women will just complain about men for a non insignificant amount of time. Not all woman by any means but its happened at least a half dozen times to me in the last 2-3 years and im just wondering if this i…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/05/24 05:39 PM
3	Why do women complain about men or the patriarchy on first / second dates with men? Okay yeah thats good to know. Such a bumber hahaha	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/05/24 05:36 PM
14	Why do women complain about men or the patriarchy on first / second dates with men? She wanted a second date. I told her im sorry i cant date her because i dont hold similar views (to the same degree). But if she didnt say the stuff about men paying other men’s sins i would have went on a second date I think she genuinely believed these things. But im asking a question in general, how come a non insignificant amount of women are doing similar things? Maybe its the women im picking but i find it wild that people think it makes sense to complain about the other gender while datin…	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/05/24 05:34 PM
21	Why do women complain about men or the patriarchy on first / second dates with men? Yeah i guess not all women have done this but its happened enough to the point where im wondering if i should just accept this as the a norm. Sounds like its not the norm at all?	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/05/24 05:32 PM