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So you can't legally quit your job or they won't reduce child support but with you losing so much money in cs and being unappreciated at work, why bother? Just slack off (while obviously not endangering any patients) and if worst case they do get rid of you, that may allow you to get your cs obligations revised. It's crazy how the state doesn't compell your ex wife to work full time and to get a high paying job and instead puts the burden on you.
/r/MensRights17/05/23 02:31 PM
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I'm curious, can't men lie like this during child support hearings too? Add bullshit babysitter wages, expenses that don't exist etc? What if you convince your boss to fire you OP? You're losing over 50% of your wages anyway so just lose your job, get on welfare, get a child support revision and sue your ex for child support and claim 50% of her income. Bleed the government and your ex.
/r/MensRights17/05/23 06:26 AM
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On the contrary feminism is brainwashing. I'm just telling you the facts. I've seen many women in relationships with older men, get attacked and gaslit into believing those men are master manipulators by older bitter women. There's this pervasive idea of convenient victimhood among women. Women are intelligent strong and empowered when it suits them and hapless innocent victims when it suits them. I believe that adult women are intelligent enough and capable of making their own choices. Some may…
/r/MensRights05/05/23 03:51 PM
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Your opinion and that of those other women and those men does not matter. Do women change what they demand in men cause a few incels get mad ? No right? To us these women and men are the incels that are hopping mad about it. Honestly ? A lot of younger women are also brainwashed into thinking it's weird but older women. The manipulate young women because they want men to settle for them and they know they're a less attractive option on all fronts.
/r/MensRights05/05/23 12:26 PM
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It's also creepy as hell when women chase financially stable men and tall men and men with power and clout because they're just looking to date their dads. When will yall start shaming women for chasing tall, rich and socially popular men?
/r/MensRights05/05/23 12:24 PM
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It's pure shaming behavior by women. They use gaslighting and manipulation tactics to get what they want and they get so mad when men have standards that they don't fit. They'll call you predatory, a creep, tell you that you're dating younger women cause your age don't want you (craziest cope I've seen cause we don't want older women) etc. The best thing to do is ignore them. Women ignore it when incels demand girlfriends and these older, bitter women are the female equivalent of incels. Theyre …
/r/MensRights05/05/23 12:22 PM
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The reason that dating culture doesn't make sense and that there exist conundrums, such as the one your post expresses, is that what women say they want and what they actually want are very different things. Women lie, to themselves and to men and thus in their heads they truly believe that they want a nice respectful man who'll treat them right. However, when things play out in real life women will often pick the assholes even thought those men are far more likely to hurt them, because their de…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 12:04 PM
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I agree with you that an fwb relationship is a waste of time for women although asking for financial recompensation just makes you a hooker. However, the reason most women get into fwbs is because they're trying to get with a man who's far above them, like in OPs case where he's a much younger and presumably better looking man. They think they can convert the sexual relationship into a romantic one which rarely ever happens. There's a tiny minority of women that get into fwbs cause they genuinel…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/23 02:24 AM
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I honestly don't believe that most women out there are worth dating. They're too slutty or narciccistic and care about stupid shit that I've got no interest in. I've met a few wonderful women but only after wasting incredible amounts of time and attention. So while i would like to be in a relationship the costs and the low likelihood of finding a partner that's actually worth it doesn't make me very interested in pursuing them, there's a lot of other, better things i can do with my time.
/r/MensRights21/01/23 11:52 AM
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Most teachers aren't exactly intelligent. They lack critical thinking skills and the ability to honestly evaluate things. They swallow the propoganda harder than the general population and become tools that are used to brainwash upcoming generations. While in school it's best to just pretend to agree with their delusional world views until you graduate and can pay homage to what's really true.
/r/AntiFeminists21/01/23 11:49 AM
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Same here. A woman that just looks good adds no value to my life. I may fuck her but I'd have 0 interest in her beyond that. Following her online is nothing but an excercise in mental masturbation.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/23 07:57 AM
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Absolutely not! I see women gas up the most unattractive women and call them queens. Women are also a lot laxer on their rating of other women and will usually rate themselves and other women far higher than where they actually are. Women have a very high in group preference.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/23 03:49 AM
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Exactly, I may stop for a second and admire a hot woman I see while scrolling but I'd never follow their feed. I only follow people ik and local businesses.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/23 02:37 AM
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I define sex as any activity beyond kissing and that same metric defines what I consider a sexual partner I can't but there's a proven strong correlation between the number of sexual partners and the likelihood of that person being a good spouse. I'd rather not take a big risk where I'm staking my finances, emotional health and mental well being when I can mitigate it simply by choosing better.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/23 05:15 PM
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Yeah they feel entitled to you and then try shaming tactics when a man wants to date younger
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/23 05:13 PM
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At that point just refuse to marry them. If these 35+ year old women wanna get with you despite bringing nothing to the table than their withering looks and "experience" while you're built up your body, careers and worth then treat these women as fwbs and spend no money on them and don't commit to them. Thats a fair trade off.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/23 03:06 PM
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It does matter to a lot of men and like I've stated theres proof that it leads to lower quality and more unstable marriages. I have no problem indefinitely dating a woman with a high body count but i won't ever marry her. If she's okay with that then I'm okay with her. If I tell you ALL women lie about their body count, would you stop having sex with them? If all women are liars that's on them and their moral duplicity. I have no problem having sex with such women or dating them but they need to…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/23 05:56 AM
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Imo it's kinda sad. Not necessarily creepy but rather pathetic and simpy. If i were a woman i definitely wouldn't be with a man who follows, likes or comments on the posts of ig "models"
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/23 05:39 AM
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Yeah sure but that applies to all cases. A man can lie to a woman and say he's never abused anyone or lie about his finances and a potential employee can lie to his employer and say he's never defrauded his past employers. Your only option is to believe that person. Does that mean women should now seek to get with abusive men and employers should actively hire employees with a history of fraud? Of course not, yeah? You'll never know the absolute truth but that doesn't mean you drop your standard…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/23 05:37 AM
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Someone whos cheated before isn't suddenly gonna grow a conscience and admit to cheating. There's multiple studies that prove that body count and infidelity, divorce and unhappiness within the marriage are strongly correlated. Also i find it gross as fuck that another man's dick has been inside her and i do not have to justify my preferences or standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/23 05:28 AM
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A woman's sexual past (and a man's as well but I'm straight so i digress) will always matter and it should matter. Past performance is a strong indicator of future performance and a woman's past is a strong indicator of her likelihood to cheat, divorce you and to be unhappy. 3.5 billion women on the planet could tell me that a woman's past should matter and i wouldn't give a fuck so why do you? Make your relationship decisions based off a woman's past if you're so inclined and if women try to Ga…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/23 04:30 AM
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What is not valid is bitching and moaning about the lack of options when you exclude people as potential partners for those reasons that you yourself do not possess. Very fair! Unless you're doing something to change your lack of options like going abroad to find a wife or joining an organised religion or working on creating a more traditional society, you will face a reduction in options which is a fact that you need to recognise. Both men and women cannot bitch and complain when they face a re…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 01:00 PM
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I mean, who can honestly tell their husbands that the true reason they can't get wet and fake being tired is because sex just isn't as fun and excitingly as it was when they were young, hotter, fully promiscuous and had uncomplicated feelings for the various guys they were fucking like a wild animal. Exactly! This is why i wouldn't marry a woman who's had a hoe phase. Why would I marry her only to get the worst version of her while she gave those men her most passionate, un-inhabited side despit…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 12:58 PM
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Absolutely! All of those are valid reasons to reject a man. However, the only caveat to that is that if you reject a man who uses porn/sex workers/sex tourism etc but you support sex workers then you're a huge hypocrite. Those sex workers and porn creators usually prey on lonely men and you can't have a world where men aren't using these services as long as a sex imbalance exists and these sex workers continue to target men who are either lonely or are unsatisfied with their sex lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 12:55 PM
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Absolutely! Women have every right to reject men who've had a hoe phase too.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 12:51 PM
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I agree that a lot of the men that get mad about the hoe phase are probably those that didn't get to participate. However, i feel like rejecting someone as a potential relationship partner, cause they decided to have a hoe phase, is valid too. This is the case even if you're a man that participated. People can sleep with who they want and date who they want and they don't have to justify either choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 05:28 AM
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So you are saying market forces should sort it out. In a nutshell, yes. The problem is there is a large supply of hoes and a small demand for them. There is conversely a large demand for non hoes and a small supply of them which allows the latter to obtain a premium (more desirable men) over the former. But is there information asymmetry and what should be done about to improve market efficiency? There is information asymmetry. The men that care about it, don't know how many of these women are a…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 04:54 AM
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I don't think the behaviour you describe is insecure or jealous. I think it's having standards. If you don't want your woman to have many male friends or a past that's completely valid and okay. Find a woman that fits your standards just don't shame the ones that don't. If you're with a woman and she doesn't fit your standards, you're free to leave her over it. Society can go fuck itself if they call you jealous or insecure because of it. If you're in a relationship with someone they aren't free…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 01:03 AM
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Also I don't find someone who drugged, raped and stole from people to be attractive.
/r/AntiFeminists15/01/23 05:54 PM
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Most of those women found a better way to word it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 10:12 AM
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Who hurt you?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/23 07:16 AM
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👏 true for both genders. Yes a good relationship can be amazing but being single is so so much better than being in a bad relationship. Too many people fear being single but don't fear being in a bad relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/23 05:48 PM
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I'm going to be honest, many many women do not get it. They legitimately believe that if a man is fucking them they are attracted to them and will want a relationship with them. Many of the women ik irl stayed in FWB relations with men for years hoping it would turn into a relationship. They legitimately fail to understand that just because a man will fuck them, it does not mean he actually wants them as anything more than a fleshlight.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/23 02:18 AM
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Very true
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/23 10:32 AM
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Being fat is an attractiveness issue for some men and not for others. I disagree with your statement about the bar for sex though because what a lot of women don't understand, is that men have very different standards for who they will fuck vs who they'll commit to. If you're coming out of a dry spell you'll fuck the girl at the bar with bad skin and shitty hair but you don't wanna wife her up and spend the rest of your life fucking her. Just because a man sleeps with a woman does not mean he fi…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/23 10:32 AM
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With reference to A what magazines, tv shows and movies tell women isnt what actual men consider to be important. Rather its literally what women think men want. Most men don't care about half the shit that the men in tv shows and movies care about. Most men want women that are very different from what those men want. With reference to B its more of just telling them that you and i aren't compatible or something like that instead of being honest about why you're rejecting them. I don't think the…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/23 10:29 AM
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The problem is when people ask why you don't wanna date a specific person or don't wanna date them and then get mad when you tell them why. I think the best thing to just tell them we aren't compatible and leave it at that.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/23 10:24 AM
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That makes sense
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/23 04:54 AM
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Very fair
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/23 04:53 AM
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This isn't true. I know many women who have male friends that are far more attractive than, as attractive as and less attractive than them. However, women do tend to get mad when there's other women in the group that are more attractive than they are, even when they're paired up with someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/23 04:33 AM
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The difference is once scenario is seen as acceptable the other isn't. If a 30 year old man gets with a 30 year old woman or a 25 year old woman it's fine so long as they're consenting adults.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/23 03:53 PM
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If she posts skimpy pictures of herself she's for the streets, no exceptions.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/23 11:03 AM
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Please stop with the bullshit. A man wanting to date someone who's 25 isn't seeking a power imbalance and does not have perverse desires. Womens shaming tactics are so bizzare that they're no longer effective. How about we flip the script ? Women that wanna date rich men are looking for a power imbalance and women that want taller men have some perverted desires. They wanna date their dad's.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/23 08:31 AM
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Something that's hilariously tragic is the fact that, if you were to ask this question outside of PPD, most women who are pro normalizing sex work would balk at the idea of dating someone who visits sex workers. They want to be with men who have the ability to seduce women and get pussy and paying for it ruins that Mirage for them. At the same time they want an easy out for lazy women that don't wanna work real jobs to make money so they support the legalization of sex work. I believe, that in a…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/23 04:05 AM
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Men want a woman who is “naturally” the gorgeous beauty standard. The problem with this is that men's perception of the beauty standard has shifted. Seeing all women in makeup, models on ig, porn etc has shifted our perception of beauty. That's the whole reason we want the 0.000001% of women because we think the average woman naturally looks like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/23 03:12 AM
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The problem is that other women are continuing to do those things. They've set the bar so high that with you not putting makeup and not dressing slutty you become invisible to men. Let me give you an example. Say you go to a pastry shop. Are you more likely to pick out the colourful pastry's sprinkled in sugar or the one that looks like a dead lump of bread? The only way for women to be able to rid themselves of uncomfortable clothing, makeup and 2+ hour beauty routines is if they band together …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/23 03:10 AM
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That's because men have become so used to seeing women with makeup that women that don't have any on look sick/tired.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/23 05:18 PM
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Oh definitely! The makeup industry is worth hundreds of billions because women are insecure about the way they look.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/23 05:18 PM
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Sure but isn't our fault for the unrealistic standards. We don't even know what natural women look like anymore. If all women stopped wearing makeup, this wouldn't be a problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/23 05:17 PM
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The male feminists will need someone to fuck too.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/23 03:00 PM
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It's natural to feel disgust at a partner with an extensive past. She's also done irreparable damage to her womb. Why do you even want someone with experience? You're supposed to learn and grow together, would you marry a hooker if you want someone with experience? After all they've got the most experience. End the relationship, dump her and find someone who's body isn't a graveyard.
/r/MensRights02/01/23 10:07 AM
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Yeah unfortunately most men have little to no standards. Even men of value will date the most atrocious women because they're horny and she's there. I'm no fan of Andrew Tate but i like that he's waking men up to the idea of having standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/23 05:57 AM
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Isn't it just like a cuck to fantasize about women having sex with other men? You cucks are so predictable.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/23 05:28 AM
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There was no tirade. Women care about height and dick size and that's fine. We care about a woman's purity and that's fine too. Most men aren't cucks like you, quit trying to force your lifestyle on us and enjoy your used up second hand pussy :).
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/23 05:28 AM
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Yeah of course. Women have the right to want, what they want and men have that same right. You can't get mad at a man for having preferences when you, yourself, have preferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/23 05:13 AM
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Sure thing buddy, whatever you say, 👍. We'll leave your cuck ass to wife up the run through women and we'll claim the virgins for ourselves, okay?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/23 05:12 AM
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You looked in a mirror huh?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/23 05:06 AM
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Exactly! Women refuse to accept it but this is the truth. Most men just do not want women who've had past partners. Even the ones that'll accept past partners want a woman with as low a body count as possible. Women wanna have the standards for men, that they find attractive, but get mad at men for having standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/23 04:57 AM
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No it really isn't. You know what are dumb requirements ? That a man be a certain height or have a certain dick size because those are factors that aren't in mans control but if women can have those requirements then we sure as fuck can demand virgins.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/23 04:56 AM
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Then she can find a man that's okay with it. Imagine you meet someone who was rich and lost all his money because his property burnt down or he made bad investments. Would be be as attractive as someone who's still rich? Even when it's not his fault ?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/23 04:55 AM
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I'll give you a serious answer since most of the other answers appear to be attempts at trolling 1) What does this man want ? A loyal, sweet and loving wife with a pleasant disposition, no past partners and who I'm attracted to (She does not have to be a 10/10 or anything, just attractive on some level) and get along with. 2) What's realistic for me ? A woman who's somewhat attractive and I can get along with. Too many women cheat so idk about loyalty and the only virgins I've met since the 6th …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/23 12:19 AM
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That's what the "vet better" at the end is for 🤣
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/23 12:12 AM
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Lmfao you're spinning whole ass fantasies in your head. I'm literally stating that the guys on the left look normal af and that dudes like that do get girlfriends and wives. That the only reason they're incels is a mental thing, not a physical one.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/23 12:01 AM
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On the contrary most incels eventually end up with wives and girlfriends. Perma inceldom is rare af.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/23 11:58 PM
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I'm not surprised tbh. No one thats normal is that obsessed with incels.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/23 04:33 PM
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It's hating on a group of woman who's lives revolve around mocking a group of "ugly" men. I feel like it's fair turnabout if anything. I agree that both sides need to move tf on and not be so bitter about the opposite sex but I'm literally marvelling at how a group that's unattractive can create an entire identity around mocking another group that's unattractive. At least incels don't base their lives around ugly women. I'm glad you acknowledge it isn't hating on all women anyway. The word misog…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/23 01:08 PM
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Lmao exactly! They're usually incels because of the way they think, not cause of the way they look.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/23 12:40 PM
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Because OP hates women I'm posting about a group of men who are typically mocked for not getting sex vs the group that spends their life being obsessed with the aforementioned group. Those pictures have been tagged as the incel meetup and the inceltears meetup at different places on the internet. It may or may not be true but how does making fun of the hideous women on inceltears translate to a hatred of all women? The word misogyny has become so overused by y'all that it has no meaning anymore.…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/23 12:39 PM
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That's the funny thing. The guys that get no sex look normal. The women that make fun of the guys who get no sex look like something no one would fuck if they have options.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/23 12:36 PM
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Not sure tbh. I've found this picture online but ik that there was a real incel meetup in November so it could be real.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/23 05:48 AM
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Exactly but the women who spend all their time hating on them are really ugly. Below mid and they'd be incels if they didn't have vaginas.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/23 05:47 AM
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She's aging like the typical british woman. Absolutely terribly!
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 12:08 PM
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Congratulations and yeah deserve doesn't really carry weight irl but it's just what would be the case in a just world.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 11:38 AM
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The dating world auto corrects for average women anyway. The ones that try to date far outside of their league get pumped and dumped over and over and over again till they try to settle with an average guy but now, thanks to the red pill movement, even he doesn't want her anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 11:23 AM
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A man that lives a hoe life does not deserve a virgin. Hoes deserve hoes and virgins deserve virgins.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 09:22 AM
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Oh def not it's just one doesn't excuse the other
/r/AntiFeminists31/12/22 09:21 AM
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Why don't the women on PPD realize that the men that want low n count women typically aren't the men that want sex on the first date. The men that want low n count women are looking for girlfriends and wives not a hookup. Also, with the sex on the first date debate, the whole argument is that it isn't okay for women to withhold sex from men they're interested in a relationship with when they sleep with attractive men right away and on the first date. It makes the men they want a relationship wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 01:37 AM
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Small dick energy is body shaming. It's along the same lines as a man, telling a woman, that she's got "loose pussy energy" or "fat bitch energy" or "saggy tits energy"
/r/AntiFeminists31/12/22 01:32 AM
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Two wrongs don't make a right. She can insult tate in every way shape or form but attacking his physicality is body shaming. Body shaming is either okay or it isn't okay and if it's okay to body shame someone based on their character, then it should be okay to body shame women for their weight or call them run through or whatever, so long as they're a shitty person. Greta has spoken out against body shaming in the past which makes her tweet one of extreme hypocrisy. Small dick energy has also be…
/r/AntiFeminists31/12/22 01:31 AM
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Body shaming is body shaming though. Or is it appropriate to attack women with a huge ego by talking about "loose pussy energy" "fat bitch energy" or "saggy tits energy".
/r/AntiFeminists30/12/22 03:00 PM
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I'm not a tate supporter but also fuck Greta for body shaming.
/r/AntiFeminists30/12/22 10:41 AM
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I'm so glad to see people talking about this. It doesn't matter how bad your opponent is, lashing out with tactics like this just makes the left look like brass hypocrites. Body shaming is either okay or isn't okay. You can't change your values depending on the gender or the context its said in.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/12/22 08:11 AM
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Some people like hookup culture and engaging in hookups and some people don't. There isn't necessarily one correct way to approach sex and relationships. While I do believe hookup culture can be damaging, especially for women that actually want monogamous relationships, it isn't necessarily wrong and you won't convince the people that engage in it to stop doing so anyway. I just think people need to go for the kind of partner that echos their own lifestyle preferences. For instance I dislike hoo…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/22 09:04 AM
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Then they wonder why people like Andrew Tate are growing in popularity. The more you try to drown out male voices, the further right you'll push men. They keep drawing the pendulum back without realizing its gonna swing just as far in the opposite direction.
/r/AntiFeminists28/12/22 05:59 AM
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If both parties are drunk it isn't sexual assault. If one of them is and the other isn't, it's sexual assault. When I'm drunk my judgement is severely impaired and it's the same for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 08:31 AM
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We do all the time lol? People judge couples for way less detrimental power imbalances. Nowhere near as much as we judge age gap relationships and that too only when it's a younger woman and an older man. Kim Kardashian dated a man who's much younger than she is. Emmanuel Macrons wife is literally a predator, but we give them a pass because it's an older woman with a younger man. A big one is when the woman is fatter/less attractive then the man. The body positivity movement is all about changin…
/r/AntiFeminists27/12/22 04:30 AM
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I don't know your age, you could be super young but at the end of the day that's your choice. Most men prefer younger women though and that's just a fact. The men that vehemently argue against age gap relationships are usually pickmes who are trying to cater to the women that get mad about such relationships.
/r/AntiFeminists27/12/22 04:07 AM
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It's also easier to trick someone who's got a lot less experience than you, who comes from a different socio economic background than you, etc. These relationships are also deeply unhealthy and involve unequal power balances. So why aren't we shaming couples where one of them is a lot richer than the other or where one is a lot more promiscuous than the other? No one really knows the steps of divorce till they're actually going through it. You don't learn that at divorce school when you're 40. Y…
/r/AntiFeminists27/12/22 04:05 AM
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*most men then. There are always gonna be pickme men who go against their natural and evolutionary desires to cater to what women want.
/r/AntiFeminists26/12/22 06:25 PM
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Men prefer younger women and there's nothing about the wording in my age gap statement that's creepy. It could be 50 and 30 or 90 and 70. The creepiness is only in your imagination. It's a lot creepier to let a stranger that you literally know nothing about be intimate with you on the first night of knowing them.
/r/AntiFeminists26/12/22 02:54 PM
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Sure that's a possibility but we're operating on the statistical probabilities here. Why do they never make such scenarios for the cases that benefit men? "20 years age gap, still together - same age and education levels, divorced".
/r/AntiFeminists26/12/22 12:35 PM
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There isn't a single reasonable argument against mandatory paternity testing. Even if it were goverment funded that still isn't an argument against it given how many welfare programs exist for women and how few exist for men. We could just chalk this up to a form of welfare for men and be done with it. Any woman who argues against mandatory paternity testing is just trying to defend cheating women or is a cheater herself and is a walking red flag. Avoid such women for relationships.
/r/MensRights25/12/22 01:48 PM
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Yup and i dont see any point in marrying a modern woman either. Why engage in something so traditional with a modern woman? Just date indefinitely.
/r/AntiFeminists22/12/22 04:45 PM
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Feminism isn't the belief in the social, economic and political equality of the sexes. That's just the PR job on feminism. Feminists have time and time again proven that they want superiority and power above men. They want rights without responsibilities, actions without consequences and want men to rescue them from their failures while blaming men for everything in existence. To me a feminist is a walking red flag so yes I'd rather be called a sexist than a feminist because at this point sexist…
/r/AntiFeminists22/12/22 04:44 PM
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I wouldn't mind paying the bills in the relationship for a traditional woman who's looking to be married. Y 22, knows how to cook and clean, is invested in my emotional needs and is a kissless virgin. Why in the world would i provide for a modern working woman ? With a modern woman i will always split all bills 50-50. Even if we've been married 20 years. This is also yet another example of solipsistic behaviour by women. She can't see beyond what her own relationship looks like. Not only does sh…
/r/AntiFeminists22/12/22 05:29 AM
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I'd rather be called sexist than feminist tbfh
/r/AntiFeminists21/12/22 02:52 PM
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Yeah and even if it doesn't get you a woman/man it will significantly improve the quality of your life.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/22 03:47 PM
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Good! Have standards and don't compromise on them. Virgin women do exist and you have no obligation to drop your standards for a woman who's been around the block when you haven't.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/22 06:15 AM
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Further proof that feminism is a cult. Any dissent and deviance from the cult is met with incessant shaming and hate.
/r/AntiFeminists18/12/22 02:27 PM
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Its disturbing sure but it still isn't anyone else's business just like it isn't their business if a broke woman dates a rich man or a short woman dates a very tall man.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 03:42 PM
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Yeah a lot of women unfortunately objectify themselves and can only relate to things through a sexual lens.
/r/AntiFeminists15/12/22 11:37 AM
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Most of the hate I see is coming from other young women and teenage girls on TikTok. A lot of the young women in tiktok identify with feminism and are easily propogandized. Don't bother with them. Most women ik irl don't have a problem with younger women-older men relationships. Regardless they do have a point that some men use womens inexperience to take advantage and manipulate them. Andrew tate explicitly states this is why he likes to date young women so he can “mould” them. At the end of th…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 11:36 AM
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Even leaving it at: if it is legal and consensual, it is the end of story. Yeah tbh. It's no one's business if it's two adults and it's consensual. Sure, a lot of younger women are immature, but then so are a lot of older women. If i met a younger adult woman with real goals that wasn't a social media narcissist I'd definitely be down to date her. A lot of older women and some men get mad at age gap relationships and trash them because they're honestly mad that men are attracted to youth and bea…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 05:27 AM
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If they're both legal adults there is no problem with it. If women are allowed to have standards they themselves don't meet then so are men.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 04:08 AM
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Women that incel shame men are ironically the biggest misogynists because they believe that women have no value beyond being sex objects and that men are only valued for their sexual conquest of women and that men who have more sex are morally superior to men that have less sex.
/r/AntiFeminists15/12/22 03:52 AM
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Quite honestly? Yes! There's a reason many of these men hide their onlyfans subscriptions. If women knew these men are subbing to and paying women on of many women wouldn't date these men.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 03:55 AM
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It's digital prostitution, not entertainment. Anyone that subs to onlyfans or is onlyfans isn't mentally healthy and isn't someone that most people would date.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 03:04 AM
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Mate you’re welcome to go be a cuck if you want to but don’t try and force that cuckold lifestyle on the rest of us.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 06:20 AM
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I guess I can’t understand at all masturbating to someone I thought was “downright disgusting”…. If something is disgusting to me from any POV at all, the last thing I’d want to do is think about it while masturbating!! Someone can be downright disgusting from a relationship POV while being visually appealing enough to get off to. I no longer watch porn so this isn’t about me but it’s perfectly okay to masturbate to someone you wouldn’t touch with a 10 foot pole just as it’s okay to employ the s…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 02:15 AM
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Shaming behaviour only really works if there’s any truth to it. Indirectly calling someone an incel has no effect on someone that has sex but unlike some men on here, I’m not desperate enough to lower my standards. You can fuck the high n-count women without committing to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 02:04 AM
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I should have clarified, that’s on me. I mean that they just aren’t attractive from a relationship POV, they’re downright disgusting. They’re attractive enough as pure visual stimuli but that’s about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 01:29 AM
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Anything over 4-6 partners is too high for me. I don’t care if she’s 25 or 45. Don’t sleep around outside of committed relationships and if you’ve had that many failed relationships you need to do some introspection. Women get mad because there’s fewer men willing to accept them for behaviour that’s completely within their control. Men are allowed to have standards and to reject the women that don’t meet those standards. I don’t see women rushing to lower their standards. I don’t morally judge p…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 07:05 PM
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And you get your pipes fixed when they're broken and your homes lit by burnt fossil fuels but I don’t see women rushing to marry plumbers and coal miners. It’s completely okay to use the services provided by someone without marrying them and if it isn’t, then women should be lining up to marry garbage men instead of CEOs.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 07:00 PM
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I guess you never really learnt about the concept of anecdotal evidence huh?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 06:59 PM
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The height of the mother has a huge impact on the height of future offspring too. If women care that much about the height of their future male offspring then short women should delete themselves from the genetic pool and only tall women and tall men should mate.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 04:02 AM
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At least they’re acknowledging that misandry is a real thing and recognising that feminism is a dying cult with an increasingly terrible reputation.
/r/AntiFeminists12/12/22 02:22 AM
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Women with high n-counts get so mad when you bring up the topic of n-counts. They always insist that men irl don’t care about it even though most men balk at the idea of dating the town bike. A good way to tell if she’s got a high n count is to see how she reacts to the mention of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 02:19 AM
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It gives women the ick when a guy is concerned about n count. It screams "I'm insecure and have subtle misogynistic views about sex because sex is only for me". If a woman likes sex it's a bad thing, if a woman doesn't then you get a dead bedroom scenario. It's perfectly okay for men to have standards and to care about whatever they wish to care about. There's nothing misogynistic or sex negative about not wanting a woman with a high n-count. Your standards could also be applied to women that ca…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/22 01:31 AM
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Men lie about abuse/their finances/STIs so there's no point caring, cause you'll never know the truth. Doesn't sound all that nice when it's reframed like that, now does it?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/22 01:24 AM
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Women with high n-counts just aren't attractive. That's it. They're just rather repulsive and neither me nor would most of the men i know date or wife up a high n-count woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/22 01:22 AM
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I doubt that tbh. If that were true women would choose the man who's 6 feet over the one that's 6'4 but theyll definitely chase the 6'4 man irl.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/22 01:06 AM
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I promise you that there are grown, adult women, with a weird height fetish or something and they refuse to compromise on it. I know a 29 year old woman who's perpetually single because she's 5'2 and refuses to date men under 6 feet. She won't even date someone who's 5'11. Another who only got with her current man because of his height despite them being a bad match in every other way. There's many women that actually think like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/22 01:05 AM
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If this isn't a troll post you're on your honeymoon, it isn't too late. If you leave her now you can get the marriage annulled, no division of assets, no alimony and it won't even be on your record. If she isn't fucking you during the literal honeymoon phase she isn't gonna fuck you later for sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/22 02:20 PM
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Men should properly organize themselves and riot in the streets. God I long for this.
/r/AntiFeminists10/12/22 12:19 AM
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Theyve already proven they don't care about those men, have you seen the glorified cameos of Ukranian female soldiers on soc media? Females that make up less than 1% of Ukraine's fighting force, aren't on the front lines and are there voluntarily. Agreed most of the protestors are men but this world doesn't care about us, only about women. I so wish men would stop sacrificing their lives for women.
/r/AntiFeminists09/12/22 05:09 PM
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At this point I'm just glad they didn't pick the women of Ukraine. The media will never be our ally and we should stop hoping otherwise. The only way to hurt them is to hurt their wallets or to organize and protest like women do.
/r/AntiFeminists09/12/22 11:23 AM
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You assume everyone wants to be promiscuous and sleep around which isn't true. Some people may feel like they've missed out but other people are perfectly fine without living such a lifestyle. It's like how drug users can feel like people that don't consume drugs are missing out butt not everyone wants to do drugs. For many people sex within a relationship is infinitely better than sex with random people that don't care about you. Promiscuity also has a net negative impact on the quality of futu…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/22 10:50 AM
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Damn, that's fucked
/r/MensRights09/12/22 05:55 AM
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Isnt this unconstitutional? Isn't discrimination based off someone's sex literally against the constitution and can't the government and/or private institutions be sued for such discriminatory practices ?
/r/MensRights09/12/22 01:17 AM
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You don't have to live like a lord to order your wife around. It's easy, just come home from your job and expect to be waited on hand and foot when you get there. Done. Some men were like this but it definitely does not apply to all men. Most worked all day to support their families and their stay at home wives and merely expected a warm meal and good conversation in return for their efforts when they got home. Eclampsia would like a word with you. A biological function as opposed to something w…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/22 01:00 AM
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That's a normal thing for the men of today to do. It was very rare in the past. Its the result of men shedding traditional gender roles just like women have done. The women of today are pretty shitty partners too, there's a reason men don't wanna marry them.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/22 04:27 PM
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You're living in a fantasy. Men didn't live like lords, ordering their submissive wives about. You're engaging in a fallacy where you're only looking at the lives led by privileged men. Most men had shit lives. They worked physical labour jobs all day and had to go to war all the time losing their lives and limbs. Women shedding traditional gender roles didn't turn them into unhinged dicks that abandon their offspring so I see no reason why it should do that for men. It's shitty of either gender…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/22 04:26 PM
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Do not introduce your mates to your friends or distance yourself from your sister (you don't have to cut her off entirely but make it very clear that she's out of control and isn't welcome anywhere near your friends). If her friend ever calls you a misogynist again just say "yeh, i am a misogynist, what are you gonna do about it?" And leave it at that.
/r/MensRights07/12/22 11:49 PM
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Why should they? When women ditched traditional gender roles they chose a self serving path and made decisions that gave them greater independence and the right to live life on their own terms. Men ditching traditional gender roles should and will do the same. They'll choose the path that maximizes their happiness just as woman chose theirs. This will probably involve a lot more living life on their terms, not giving into what women want and having more casual relationships than becoming diaper …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/22 10:45 AM
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Fair enough
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/22 03:06 AM
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Would you have those same standards for your son? Say your son was to come home with a sex worker or a fat woman would you encourage him to leave her and get some standards?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 01:58 PM
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I will never ever support women's right to abortion until society legalizes and supports a man's right to paper abortions and not paying child support. I think abortion should be legal and it should be a woman's choice but i refuse to support it while men are denied the same option.
/r/MensRights26/11/22 12:11 AM
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So is it only a problem when men are maladjusted to their own culture ? What about the scores of asian women that marry white men because of their self hatred and deep anti asian sentiment ?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/22 05:43 PM
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I disagree with point 1 because it assumes the women in that man's country don't wanna date him, it could be the other way around. It's possible he isn't interested in them for physical, cultural, moral or other reasons
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/22 12:55 PM
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🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
/r/AntiFeminists23/11/22 12:53 PM
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Most of society is composed of "straight spaces" but gay people are marginalized and deserve to have their own spaces without women barging into them and making it about themselves. These women operate on the logic that "Oh thank god there aren't straight men here to hit on me". They then proceed to hit on uninterested gay men and generally annoy them and make it all about them. A lot of what you're saying is giant assumptions and leaps in logic. It sounds like you have a fetish for wanting to b…
/r/MensRights23/11/22 12:23 PM
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I no longer celebrate international women's day for this reason, women don't deserve any celebration when they refuse to even acknowledge International Men's Day. They can play their little victim cards and oppression Olympics but I no longer care. Women are not now, nor have they ever been oppressed. They just love to play victim.
/r/MensRights23/11/22 12:08 AM
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Change being of the same ethnicity to being white. With the exception of black women, all other races of women lust after white men.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 12:40 AM
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Why in the world would men that aren't white nor tall train their brain to accept obese women? 14% of the population is fat and most white men marry white women, they don't want ethnic women. I'm sure those men can have still get with ethnic women but they may have to accept being "settled for".
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 08:05 PM
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Oh lord she's one of those, blame the patriarchy kinds. Yeah feminists are known for their hypocrisy. Yeah definitely don't get married that young and i wouldn't even recommend getting married at all unless you can find the rare woman that's actually worth marrying.
/r/AntiFeminists12/11/22 05:46 PM
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Parents can't force you to get married. Ik that they can put a lot of pressure on you or emotionally manipulate you but if you stand your ground and refuse there's nothing they can do. Or let them marry you off and get an annulment the next day. I'm 29, my folks want me to get married and give them grandkids but most of these shit ass females out there aren't worth it.
/r/AntiFeminists12/11/22 10:05 AM
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I'm sorry but any man that marries a woman like this is a blithering idiot and you can only have limited sympathy for him. If your to be wife, refuses to adopt your last name, refuse to marry her. She's mentally unhinged.
/r/AntiFeminists12/11/22 12:35 AM
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Self hatred is so ugly tbh. Ethnic women that lust after white men and hate on their own men are pretty gross. It isn't just a preference, it's mental illness.
/r/AntiFeminists11/11/22 11:02 AM
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I have yet to meet a feminist that has done anything to bring about equality in areas where men are disadvantaged or that doesn't have a perpetual victim complex.
/r/AntiFeminists11/11/22 02:13 AM
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I don't agree with or support Andrew tate but there's only so far you can push the pendulum before it swings all the way back to the other side, the sick twisted ideology that is modern feminism has blamed men and insulted and belittled them for too long. Men will obviously look for support where they can get it. Feminists tell men that they're to blame, that their natural masculinity is wrong and that everything is their fault. Andrew tate tells men that the world is wrong and that they're bein…
/r/AntiFeminists10/11/22 05:49 PM
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Yeah I agree, there's so much that just gets overlooked. It makes me sad to see people not treated with respect and empathy. Yeah same here and I agree that both genders face and have faced terrible shit. Women have been oppressed in the past but today women get a lot of sympathy and aid for the problems they face. Men are told to lie down and die. Like in Haiti where the UN saved all the food aid for women only. It's true that there's a handful of women out there who have made it big. It's also…
/r/AntiFeminists09/11/22 05:34 PM
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Your first paragraph was spot on, there are so many important issues to be addressed and considered. You listed some very legitimate injustices that I wish got more attention. you covered it really well and I wish more people cared about them too. Thank you and yeah they're definitely issues that need attention and need to be fixed. The fact that issues like this exist and are entirely ignored by feminists is why we need men's rights movements and why I can't believe the lie that feminism cares …
/r/AntiFeminists09/11/22 03:40 AM
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Hes a kid but there's so many better points to make than the ones he spoke of. For instance feminists in many countries are against gender neutral rape laws, they're against male employment in female dominated professions, they're against male shelters and don't care about male homeless and suicide rates. Women don't merely get lesser prison time for rape than do men, they get less to no prison time for crimes accross the board. Women pay less taxes, leech more welfare and live longer than do me…
/r/AntiFeminists09/11/22 03:12 AM
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Women who aren't sluts aren't offended when you slut shame women.
/r/AntiFeminists08/11/22 05:00 PM
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Exactly, all these women telling men to level up don't realize that the men that do level up, won't be picking them
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 11:17 AM
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I'm not talking about myself but yes I have tried and succeeded which is why I now only want the top percentage of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/22 03:29 PM
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Most women aren't worth the effort. Yes most men aren't putting in the effort but most women are woefully average as well. If these men all work on themselves and level up they aren't gonna want the average overweight dumpy woman without much in the way of personality or wifey skills. They'll aim for the top few women too then.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/22 10:31 AM
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Women aren't more attractive than men, they have selection bias, high in group preference, significantly overestimate their actual SMV and wear makeup which makes a huge difference and is nothing but a disguise at best. Makeup boosts women by 2 points on average and when women are skilled at applying it and cake on a lot of it, I've seen makeup take 4s and boost them to an 8.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/22 06:04 AM
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These are the kind of women that await the Indian men who do decide to get married. Especially if you get suckered into the arrange marriage process.
/r/MensRights31/10/22 01:18 PM
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I'm purple pilled. There's aspects of the blue and the red pill that are both correct. When I was in love with my exes they were a lot more beautiful to me than their actual, objective, beauty.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen30/10/22 11:15 PM
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You're not supposed to find middle aged people attractive. That's just biology. You're supposed to settle down with someone in their 20s, build a life with them and then, when you're middle aged, you'll find them attractive because you're in love with them. Your physical attraction to someone can change if you're in love with them. Even a 2 can seem like a 9 if you love them.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen30/10/22 02:52 AM
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This sounds more like a porn fantasy than something that belongs on PPD but I'll humour you. https://www.reddit.com/r/hapas/comments/8rcen9/interracial_marriage_statistics_on_various_asian/ White women marry white men at even higher rates than black women marry black men https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/unique-everybody-else/201210/the-pseudoscience-race-differences-in-penis-size/ There are no statistically significant differences between penis sizes and races Ethnic minorities have it ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/22 07:21 AM
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Exactly marriage in the modern era is imbalanced. Women hold all the power and have no responsibility while men have all the responsibility and no power. Marriages work or fail based on the good graces and kindness of the woman you marry. That's too big a risk to take.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 12:01 PM
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Wouldn't it be more convenient for them to kill themselves rather than he kill himself anyway? There's 3.5 billion men and only one of them. If they're the ones afraid they should be the ones that remove themselves.
/r/MensRights27/10/22 12:58 AM
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No, that's not what predator means. Taking advantage of someone is called taking advantage of someone. It sounds goofy to call someone who always asks you for favors and doesn't return them a "predator." Predator means hunter. So a sexual predator picks a weaker prey to sexually abuse. That's not the definition of predator and taking advantage of someone includes when women use their sexuality to take advantage of men that don't have much luck with women, they're a sexually weaker prey and are b…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/22 06:15 AM
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That's not what predator means. Men are so desperate to say women are the same as them. Predatory is when someone takes advantage of someone else. Both instances involve a victim who's being used for something they have and a perpetrator. Wanting someone because they look younger is the same as wanting someone because they are younger. Thinking younger women are more attractive is the same as wanting them because they are younger. That's just dumb. There's a vast gulf between people who look you…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/22 02:57 AM
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Everyone is shallow to an extent. There's nothing wrong with having preferences. If you only like them for those things, then it's shallow. Liking someone because they're barely legal is predatory and dangerous That depends on the intentions of the man. Younger women are usually more attractive and have less baggage. If a man hits it off with a younger woman and they get along well that isn't predatory. If he chooses the woman because of her age and so that he can manipulate her then yes, it's p…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/22 02:48 AM
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In that case i shall fight both. I'm very likely to die anyway so I may as well die fighting for something i believe in. In the end only women have the right to a free choice, men have obligations they can hardly run away from. That's the role society forces onto us men but we can consciously choose to reject it. As an example a few of my female friends have gotten married only to change their mind on having children after the marriage. They were perfectly fine with having kids while dating thei…
/r/MensRights25/10/22 12:15 AM
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Leave young women alone. No! Its what most men are attracted to and that is their right. If she's a legal adult then it's fine even if the guy is 40 and she's 18. When women stop chasing men for their finances, height etc is the day women can frown upon age gap relationships. Till then, so long as both participants are legal adults, it's none of anyone else's business.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/22 12:04 AM
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I'm not a lawyer, do not take any of these as legal advice or matter of fact. Do your own research The only way to avoid child support is to either have sole custody or to have a low income and not really have assets in your name. In 50-50 custody you can get away without paying cs if you pay for the child's education and living expenses but that's not always a guarantee. If the mother has majority custody then cs is near guarenteed. Ideally do not get with a girl that makes less money than you …
/r/MensRights24/10/22 07:42 AM
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We are seen as less valuable and more disposable but it is upto each individual man whether or not they follow this. For me i don't see my life as being worth less than that of any other man or woman. Not even a pregnant mother. I will also not sacrifice my life to defend a country that does not care about my well being or that of my fellow men, if mandatory conscription were to happen, I'd defect and fight for the enemy.
/r/MensRights24/10/22 07:32 AM
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Im sorry im not so desperate as to sacrifice my standards just to be with someone but perhaps that works for you, i wish you well.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 05:05 PM
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Dw I'd never stoop so low either, as to want someone, that gets mad at other people's reasonable boundaries and standards, but thinks it's okay to have standards and boundaries themselves. This is the end of the conversation. Have a good day.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 06:40 AM
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Well no one's asking you to date me, now are they?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 03:37 AM
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Let me rephrase your question:- Women who care about not being married to an abusive man, how would you even know he's been abusive ? You rely on a partner being truthful when you get into a relationship with them. You may find out the truth, you may not. Sure a woman can hide her body count and a man his abusive past, does that mean women shouldn't care if a man has physically assaulted all of his exes ? At the end of the day men are entitled to their standards and this includes not wanting to …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 01:02 AM
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At least the top comment, with 1.1k upvotes says the same thing. It restored some hope for me. Ofc the next comment says the opposite and is also highly upvoted but that's to be expected.
/r/MensRights21/10/22 12:52 AM
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Ah my bad, thank you.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/22 04:40 PM
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I've briefly dated two people, that have larger than average followings on ig, one had 100k the other about 28k. I don't think they qualify as having very popular public accounts rather just pretty women who get simp followers. The comments on their pictures were so thirsty I don't even want to begin to imagine what their dms look like. That's about when i decided that a public ig is a red flag for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/22 08:32 AM
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Depends on the standards men set for themselves. Such women are obviously bad relationship/wife material but if you don't have high standards you'd be willing to accept them
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/22 03:25 AM
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Hmm perhaps but i still don't understand why you'd want strangers to be able to see pictures of you and your family. Ig I've always been a bit iffy about posting your life online. If i get into a serious relationship with someone and end up marrying them i don't want random strangers to be able to see pictures of us, our kids etc. Ig if i met someone I like, who has a public account, I'd hope that they're willing to make it private or not post any family pictures. One other thing that's disconce…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/22 03:23 AM
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Great list 👏
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/22 02:52 AM
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This doesn't apply to all feminists but most of the feminists I've met are less about equality and are more about a mix of A) Women having their cake and eating it too and B) Thinly veiled or outright misandry. When you're okay with women being given half the prison time for the same crimes as men but think air conditioning is sexist, that's not a rational reasonable adult that I'd want to have a relationship with.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/22 02:50 AM
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Oh porn is a huge one for me as well. I forgot to add that to my list. I hate the porn industry and wouldn't date someone that actively consumes what they put out.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/22 02:48 AM
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Hahahaha Christ, I would love to get food with you and hear your stories.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/22 02:47 AM
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The kind of women that try to live the sex in the city lifestyle are a major turn off when it comes to relationships. I can't think of a situation where I'd wanna wife someone who's hobbies revolve around shopping, alcoholism and promiscuity.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/22 02:46 AM
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I haven't made an Instagram account since 2018 so I'm not sure but they used to be private by default. Perhaps some people are posting bad stuff on private accounts that they don't want their parents to see but I personally find it weird to wanna share your life and private lives with random strangers. My account is private, not because I have anything to hide but because I only want my friends to see where i travel to, pictures of me and my family/friends etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/22 02:45 AM
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Bahaha i mean they're just my personal red flags, I'm sure there's many people that are fine with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/22 02:42 AM
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You cannot interpret the data based on the women in your country. In your country they may usually be virgins before marriage in which case only the other factors play a role in divorce but in the west, it's a statistical fact that virgins are less likely to divorce, more likely to be happy, are less likely to cheat and are less likely to have STDs. This isn't only because of religion although they are also more likely to be religious because despite religiosity declining, the data from the 1980…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/22 01:45 PM
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Yeah it's so sad how normalized porn and prostitution have become, how they actually push young women to sell themselves and objectify their bodies. They lie to these young women about empowerment. I don't know what's empowering about being a piece of meat. The only people that benefit are the elite men who are making money off this or are taking advantage of these naieve women and are using them for sex.
/r/MensRights17/10/22 11:53 AM
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There is no happy correlation? I've actually looked into this. Demonstrate where they are more happy. https://www.informationliberation.com/?id=59242 Yes there is a happiness correlation confirmed by multiple studies. And a guy just here said he explicitly dates 18 year olds for that reason . There's no age factor. Happiness correlates with the number of past partners. Men are attracted to virgins? Stop doing that , it's do cringe when this community appeals to this evo-psych BS . I don't want t…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/22 06:48 AM
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Onlyfans is predatory. It preys upon the vulnerable and lonely men that subscribe to it. It preys upon impressionable young women. It isn't empowering, it promotes the idea of treating women like objects. Anyone that defends onlyfans is too stupid to have an opinion worth considering.
/r/MensRights17/10/22 06:31 AM
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Its not a virgin but explicitly a 18 year old virgin is what this community is seeking . It's particularly young women valuing them like they are car mileage. Just because someone says they prefer something doesn't mean its suddenly incapable of being immoral . The red pill isn't Andrew tate, please do not equate everyone that ascribes to it with him. The red pill is merely a toolkit, a set of ideas that you're free to interpret, how you choose. Men are more attracted to virgins and to younger w…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/22 05:57 AM
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Virgin girls are just easier to manipulate which is why this community preys on girls who just reached the age of consent . You're conflating two different things and being patronizing while doing so. If a man wants a virgin woman that's perfectly okay, it's a valid preference. It doesn't have to mean she's young and easy to manipulate. Andrew tate explicitly states a 18 year old is more valuable than a 25 year old by some creepy criteria Andrew tate is the worst example. He isn't a red piller. …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/22 05:36 AM
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The top 20% of men doesn't necessarily refer to fit attractive wealthy men that have good personalities. That's a myopic red pilled view of the top 20%. Irl it's a Venn diagram of men that look good, men that have dark triad and criminal traits and men that are very charming. That's the top 20% many of whom are broke, deadbeat and shit father's. There's many wealthy beta males whose only ability to get women, is their income.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 03:25 PM
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What I was doing was the equivalent of the whole "kill all men" hashtag. Obviously i don't mean all women but there's many bottom 80% of women that become welfare leeches. As to your point about careers, most women with careers earn less and pay less taxes than the benefits and welfare aid they take from the system https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2375926
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 03:23 PM
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They usually do so with their women equivalent (attractive, responsible, educated, maybe not top earners but have a career and are financially independent). None of this contradicts anything that I've said. Many women are chasing the top 20% of men, most women won't get them. Those top 20% of men want the top 20% of women, not the bottom 80% of women which include a lot of delusional women that think they can get/deserve such men.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 02:15 PM
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It may be incel adjacent but it isn't wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 02:11 PM
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Most women will never get commitment from the top 20% of men, which would be fine if women were honest about this but instead they'll have babies with the top 20% and become a welfare leech and a burden on the bottom 80% of taxpayers. They'll also whine incessantly about the state of the bottom 80% of men, whine about men not committing, write sob story after sob story in the media and with most women having a negative tax contribution to society, be more of a burden upon humanity than anything …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 12:13 PM
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Respect is when you think highly of someone. You don't need to fear them to respect them.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 04:46 PM
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Why would I disrespect someone i love ?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 04:46 PM
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Yes i know plenty of great men who don't disrespect their girlfriends and wives.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 03:09 PM
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I don't want a woman who doesn't respect herself or who allows men to disrespect her, it's that simple.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 03:08 PM
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Being slapped, spit on, degraded but honestly? Its more about the kinda man she's fucking than it is about the acts itself. If she lets herself be used and degraded and fucked without any love or care that's degrading to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 10:36 AM
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They feel icky to me, like I wouldn't consider someone with these traits/behaviours as relationship material yknow?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 06:52 AM
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Yeah see the idea of someone like that being your girlfriend or your wife is so thoroughly repulsive. A woman that lets men disrespect her doesn't deserve my respect.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 06:51 AM
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Any sex act where the man disrespects her, degradation obviously, having sex for money or objects, having sex with a man who treats you like shit outside of sex or during it. I find this gross but these are my standards for a woman I'd consider for an ltr or marriage. If it's just a sexual thing then idrc what she's done/is into as long as she isn't someone evil and doesn't have STDs.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 06:49 AM
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->high n count ->Been with people i know ->Done something that's sexually degrading and gross ->Has STDs (obviously) ->Is violent, crass or loud ->Is entitled ->Looks down on people/animals ->Is one of those misandrist feminists ->Smokes, drinks excessively or eats too much fast food (This ones more of a personal one as I find this to be gross on anyone)
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 03:27 AM
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If a woman sleeps with 80 people, why is it your prerogative to comment on her lifestyle? She wasn’t interested in you in the first place. This is the only factual statement in your post. Its no one's prerogative to comment on someone else's life choices. That being said the rest of it is, quite honestly, a load of rubbish. There's a ton of evidence that shows that someone's sexual past has a very real and very significant impact on their future relationships and the likelihood of success of tho…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 12:51 AM
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You've had a terrible experience and he sounds like a huge loser but is it really fair to project that onto all age gap relationships? If someone dated interracially and had a bad experience and was to suddenly denounce interracial dating for everyone, would we be as accepting of it? You're projecting what was the case for one man, onto all men. What if there's a mature, well put together, good looking man who simply likes the energy and youthfulness of younger (legal) women?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 12:24 AM
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Hey all the power to those women. That's very fair and their choice to make. Sure some men may whine about it but that's no different to the 40 something year old women that'll whine in the dailymail about the lack of good men. If you're happier by yourself than you'd be by settling for someone, i respect that.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 03:05 PM
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Most men aren't trying to shame women into lowering their standards. At least not the men on here. Most men are simply telling women that their standards are unrealistic given that they themselves don't meet those standards and they'll probably end up alone or be forced to settle. If they're fine with that then it's perfectly fine. A lot of men on here also express their high standards such as not wanting a fat woman, an older woman, a woman who's career obsessed or a woman with a significant pa…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 02:07 PM
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Neither of those explain why, women that have a lot of sex in the dating phase, suddenly become prudes that have anniversary sex after marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 11:36 AM
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Its like I said in a another comment; if one person is out earning the other in a significant way, say if one contributes 80% of the household finances while the other contributes 20, is there any point to the other person working? Wouldn't they be better off handling the housework while the higher earning spouse brings home the bacon? It doesn't really make sense to split housework equally when financial contributions are inequal all for some metaphorical sense of equality.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 08:41 AM
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Well if one person is out earning the other in a significant way, say if one contributes 80% of the household finances while the other contributes 20, is there any point to the other person working? Wouldn't they be better off handling the housework while the higher earning spouse brings home the bacon? Their financial contributions are unequal so wouldn't asking them to contribute equally to housework be unfair? Could the higher earning spouse hire a domestic helper for instance, to help with t…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 08:38 AM
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Using numbers from 2019 about 0.03% of women are raped each year. If we assume there's severe under reporting and there is and we assume only 4% of rapes get reported, thats about 0.75% of women that are raped each year. That's a lot, low lower than a 3-4% rate for paternity fraud but not only is rape a crime with significant penalties and special legal and criminal divisions linked to it but its also constantly talked about and vilified (as it should be). The reason paternity fraud is ignored i…
/r/MensRights04/10/22 08:11 AM
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Your argument makes a lot of sense. While its obviously not true of all women, I think you're right in stating that a lot of women have low sex drives or aren't as attracted to their significant others, as they may initially portray. They use sex as some sort of bait or honey trap to secure commitment from the man they're with and keep up an act until they're married. Then their libido falls off a cliff. They suddenly have headaches or are tired or aren't in the mood even if they were horn dogs …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 06:59 AM
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Would you then be okay with a man who dates you indefinitely but does not marry you? If you enjoy each others company and are partners wouldn't a perpetual dating phase be enough? Why would you need marriage?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 06:45 AM
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That makes no sense. If he wasn't giving her feelings, emotion and seduction then how'd he arouse her during the 3,4,6 years they were dating but he suddenly isn't arousing anymore after marriage?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 06:43 AM
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Most people cohabitate to some extent before marriage. They, at the very least, spend enough time together that those things should be clear before they get married. I understand that a child can make it complicated but I'm talking about cases where womens libidos suddenly nosedive after marriage sans children.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 06:41 AM
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Tbh theres a lot of double standards when it comes to sex in relationships. Even when women cheat its usually the man thats blamed but if the man cheats, hes a piece of shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 06:39 AM
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Yeah asking women to work and handle the housework and take care of the kids is unreasonable. I think your proportionate contribution to housework should match your proportionate contribution to the household income. Both of you should be involved in child rearing.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 06:38 AM
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Indian guys will never be seen as attractive as white guys unless we compensate for our perceived social reputation. This is true of all ethnic groups. There exists a racial hierarchy and white men and women are at the very top. Indian guys especially outside india are seen as synonymous with the image of creeps and scammers. While that's rooted in racism and stereotyping it's cause Indian men have built up such a reputation. The Indian government gave cheap internet access to a country with a l…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 05:41 AM
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If your husband decides to stop working after you get married because his priorities have changed and now you're expected to contribute 100% of the household income, that's okay too, yeah?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 04:18 AM
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I see, i guess that makes sense given women's deeper emotional connection with sex and sexuality in general. A crappy partner would be a turn off for anyone. Thanks for the perspective.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 03:37 AM
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Then why did they participate in the mediocre sex before marriage? Don't you feel that having sex with someone while you're dating them but refusing to fuck them after you're married (besides the occasional pity fuck) is being deceitful and manipulative to some extent ? Sex is an implied part of any relationship and starving your so of sex is a violation of the spirit of any marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 03:33 AM
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Hmm that's a good point, I guess it can happen to either gender. It does suck though because sex is an implicit part of any relationship and when that sex fades away, especially right after you get married you can feel cheated on some level.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 03:30 AM
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Its women abusing men so yes it is our problem, this is a men's rights sub. Go tell feminists it isn't their problem when a woman gets abused and see how they'd react.
/r/MensRights04/10/22 02:49 AM
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Exactly! I've got more respect for the man that pays a prostitute than the man that pays to go on a date. The former is a more honest transaction and at least you're getting your money's worth.
/r/MensRights03/10/22 02:17 PM
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You're welcome
/r/MensRights03/10/22 12:03 PM
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The porn industry sucks but onlyfans is a part of that industry. The content creators may get to decide what they post but that doesn't mean there aren't victims. Here's a few examples Porn in general, whether it's onlyfans or pornhub promotes a fucked up, warped view of sex. It reduces women to objects that can be owned and manipulated with a click/with a few dollars etc. There's a very strong link between porn and the way we perceive sex and a lot of the men that regularly consume porn dehuman…
/r/MensRights03/10/22 11:43 AM
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Brilliant! I couldn't have said it better myself 👏
/r/MensRights03/10/22 03:13 AM
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No but any man that's desperate enough to pay for onlyfans or pay a woman to go on a date with him does. They've got no self respect left at that point. They've given up their core humanity and they're fueling the epidemic of narcissist, entitled, women. I would respect a man who sleeps with hookers 10x more than I'd respect a man who pays for onlyfans. They're both paying for whores but at least the first one is getting his money's worth out of it.
/r/MensRights03/10/22 03:12 AM
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Exactly this! Any man desperate enough to actually pay her Venmo requests is at the same level as the men that pay for Onlyfans. They deserve contempt, not sympathy.
/r/MensRights03/10/22 12:07 AM
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Most men never owned the land they worked on till very recently in human history. Look up what serfdom was. Lords and kings owned the land. The Hut was usually a combined family effort, not built or owned by him alone, his tools were a sickle and a plough which he worked all day in the sun using while his wife rested at home. Women usually handled the sales of produce, the finances, ran the home etc. This projected fantasy where men were totalitarian overlords and women were slaves that did as t…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/22 03:37 PM
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Men have sacrificed for all of human history, for women, to help women but women refuse to acknowledge that.
/r/MensRights02/10/22 03:33 PM
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I got called an incel for stating that it's a bad idea to allow women to self impregnate because of the proven negative outcomes for the children of single mothers and because many of these women start to use welfare after choosing to be single mothers which is tantamount to welfare abuse. Imagine trying to discredit an argument about the best interests of children and society by gauging a man's sexual prowess. Many redditors, especially left leaning ones have the emotional maturity of a 5 year …
/r/MensRights02/10/22 04:37 AM
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That's the problem with a lot of generalizations about men. A very small percentage of men, 1% or less, especially back then are used to characterize the entire male population. An example of this is when they say men have always had all the power and wealth etc. Life fucking sucked for 99% of men throughout history. It was only good for 1%
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/22 04:09 PM
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I love my mom so I don't see why I'd want her gone. Additionally, my argument was about how women, as a whole, cannot function without men. I personally don't care to be left alone by women but i would like for some male only spaces to exist without feminists have a childish fit over it.
/r/AntiFeminists01/10/22 03:29 AM
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Enlighten me then because from all of my experiences women care about men a whole lot more than men care about women. I can game with the lads and lose myself in work for days without thinking about women but all of the women i know can't function without some kind of male attention.
/r/AntiFeminists01/10/22 02:59 AM
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Wouldn't work, All the women up in arms about Roe ?They still can't function without men. A lot of women promised sex strikes in retaliation for Roe and even those have yet to materialize. Women have proven time and time again that they're obsessed with men and banning abortion won't change that. Take the feminist movement for instance. There's a reason it's become known more as a misandrist man hating movement than one that fights for the advancement of women because feminists spend 99% of thei…
/r/AntiFeminists01/10/22 02:48 AM
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We have tried. We try again and again and this happens. https://metro.co.uk/2018/03/19/group-women-self-identify-male-infiltrate-men-swim-session-7398106/ https://greekreporter.com/2021/10/09/who-was-the-mystery-woman-who-broke-the-female-ban-on-mount-athos/ https://time.com/4978338/boy-scouts-girls-lawsuit-history/ https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/gentlemen-s-clubs-will-be-forced-to-admit-women-338688.html https://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/06/12/clubs.women/index.html Women are l…
/r/AntiFeminists01/10/22 02:43 AM
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LMAO
/r/AntiFeminists30/09/22 05:34 PM
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Disgusting hypocrites This about sums it up. They care about their own benefit only and everything is a tactic to achieve that benefit. They say they don't wanna be objectified but will objectify themselves. They now support sex work because it redistributes resources from men to women and they encourage men to ascribe to mainstream liberalism cause it benefits them. They get so mad when men have standards and preferences. They've even started calling the kinda women men actually want, as pickme…
/r/MensRights30/09/22 05:34 PM
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Whoever wrote this is mentall ill and needs serious help. Seperation isn't possible when men do 99% of the work that's needed to keep society running and when men have invented 99% of everything in existence.
/r/AntiFeminists30/09/22 11:44 AM
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Brilliant analysis and what you've said is very true. Especially the part about many incels just being men with high standards that don't want the awful selection of women that are available to them. I'd extend your argument and say that feminists have not only weaponised the incel label, but sex all together. They've taken the one advantage they've always enjoyed, a control over sexual access and have turned sex into some sort of bargaining chip and a nightmarish chimera, unrecognisable from wh…
/r/MensRights30/09/22 08:42 AM
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You've got a point that it isn't only the left doing this. I don't really see the left as an ally because the constant crowing about the patriarchy and misogyny and blaming men for everything is a tool of the left. However the right is unfair to us men too, expecting us to fullfill their traditional gender roles for men and get married and fight their wars even though women aren't traditional anymore. Both sides are against men's rights. You say that it's the extreme feminists and stereotypes th…
/r/MensRights30/09/22 08:35 AM
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For all their talk of women not being mere sex objects and of acceptance for alternative lifestyles the left in general still only values men by their sexual success or lack thereof. They basically reduce women to sexual conquests and men that cannot get such a conquest are losers in their eyes.
/r/MensRights30/09/22 04:19 AM
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Lol how is it gross? She had a dick in her, who cares. Every woman you meet has had a dick inside them, what's the arbitrary number that makes it "tolerable" to "gross as fuck"? 2? 3? 8? What's gross isn't the fact that she's had a dick in her but it's the delinking of love and sex. What's gross is her low standards for who she allows inside of her. What's gross is the fact that she doesn't respect herself and her body and will let men fuck her with very little to no investment. What's gross is …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/22 04:18 AM
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There's always exceptions to any rule but most men are put off by a higher body count than a lower one because not only is it gross as fuck but statistically it's a very bad idea to get with someone who's promiscuous.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/22 03:31 AM
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You're welcome
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/22 03:30 AM
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If she's someone that doesn't sleep around and doesn't do casual sex then she's obviously a lot better from a relationship perspective than someone that does sleep around but isn't as good as someone who's a virgin (A real one not those 'blowjob and backdoor' kind of virgins). Its like if you've all given a test, let's call it the relationship test, the virgin gets a 100, the girl you describe gets a 90 and the women that sleep around get a 10. I hope that answers your question. Obviously body c…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/22 03:09 AM
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This topic has been done to death in this sub but the long and short of it is that yes, body count matters. A woman's body count matters to most men if they're evaluating her for a serious, long term relationship. It does not matter if they're only looking to hook-up with her. Most men are inherently repulsed by women with high body counts and it's an evolutionary defence mechanism that we've evolved to safeguard against paternity fraud. Additionally body counts are strongly correlated with infi…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/22 03:02 AM
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Its not reasonable to assume that, thats just something you made up. Its very reasonable to assume. We make extrapolations all the time and this is an extrapolation given the facts we've got. Find the data or shut up about it. Find the data that proves me wrong then, or shut up about it yourself. You might as well advocate for banning of single mothers instead. Force them to give up their child to a couple for adoption or something. Single mothers are a drain on the countries welfare systems and…
/r/AntiFeminists30/09/22 01:34 AM
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There's no one gathering data on single mothers that self impregnate and use welfare and I'm not about to waste my time gathering that data. What's cope is ignoring the fact that despite mountains of evidence on why single motherhood is bad for a child, some women are selfish enough to self impregnate anyway. Its reasonable to assume women that are that selfish are also selfish enough to engage in welfare fraud. Ultimately if we truly act in the welfare of the child as the government loves to cl…
/r/AntiFeminists30/09/22 01:26 AM
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Given that there's no actual legal barrier against it, it's reasonable to assume that at least a few of these self impregnation single mothers abuse welfare. Single mothers makeup the largest proportion of welfare recipients. Either way all the data highlights the fact that kids raised by single mothers are worse off in every way shape and form. Women that self impregnate to have kids are being incredibly selfish. Children need a father figure and have worse mental, physical and life outcomes wi…
/r/AntiFeminists30/09/22 01:21 AM
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https://prospect.org/health/consequences-single-motherhood/ https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/singletons/201608/single-mothers-psychological-problems-kids https://archive.nytimes.com/opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/02/08/how-single-motherhood-hurts-kids/ https://www.medicinenet.com/how_does_single_parenting_affect_a_child/article.htm https://singlemotherguide.com/single-mother-statistics/ https://balancingeverything.com/welfare-statistics/ Here are all the stats you need which very much…
/r/AntiFeminists30/09/22 01:12 AM
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Congratulations :)
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/22 05:09 PM
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It depends on how many partners they've had ofc, but nah. Therapy helps, but it won't fix a ton of heartbreak and emotional baggage and most people don't really get therapy to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/22 05:08 PM
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They get so mad if men show even the barest semblance of having standards.
/r/MensRights29/09/22 03:17 PM
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There's some men who can get casual sex easily that don't have standards and others that do. Anyway, i hope you find what you're looking for.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/22 03:17 PM
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Never said they do. It isn't an archaic opinion that determines who she has sex with or who she doesn't. I don't really care who women sleep with but if she's gonna go around having casual sex with a bunch of shitty men she's for the streets. Any man who isn't desperate and who's got standards would not get into a relationship with someone that's such low quality.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/22 02:18 PM
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Your bitterness about it is kind of hilarious. And then women wonder why men don't want run through women Not every man views sex the same way you do. If a woman's gone around sleeping with shitty men and wants a good man now she's entitled. Some men may be okay with dating such a woman and some men will pump and dump such a woman, both are okay. Men don't owe you anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/22 01:59 PM
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If someone's dealt with a lot of heartbreak and past relationships it has an impact on their psyche and on future relationships. There's no way to 100% get over it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/22 01:57 PM
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They both don't sound like great options but if i have to choose then definitely option #2
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/22 12:40 PM
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Your standards for good and accomplished may be different from mine, then. I and most of my friends have graduate degrees, and some of us don't want kids. That's my definition of someone accomplished as well. Someone who's educated and can support themselves without resorting to selling their body on the internet. I've got a master's degree and most of my friends are at least college graduates. There's no reason to choose a man who doesn't actually improve our lives. Half my friends practiced ab…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/22 12:30 PM
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I never said i was one of those men, just that being a misogynist does not disqualify men from getting women, if anything it makes it easier. A lot of women even good, accomplished ones, go for such shitty men.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/22 05:41 AM
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So when are we launching the white feather movement for Ukranian women?
/r/MensRights29/09/22 05:28 AM
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I don't disagree, but i think the issue wasn't the money itself, it was about having their own money. Hmm i never considered this. You're probably right about that. It isn't even so much of a problem that women are turning themselves into objects and are selling themselves for that money as it is that they expect men to still accept them, after they've walked this path. They truly expect men to have absolutely no standards.
/r/MensRights29/09/22 05:28 AM
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Oh if you mean women shouldn't sleep with men that are misogynists that happens too. Most men that treat women badly and are abusive are in/have had plenty of sex and relationships. The honest truth is that women aren't repulsed by bad behaviour from men, many even find it attractive which is why many women get with the kind of men that embody dark triad traits. Most Incels may be misogynists but most misogynists, aren't incels. If your only defining trait is hating women you obviously won't get…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/22 05:26 AM
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Paid sex will only be an effective substitute for men that want casual sex and then too it won't give them the ego boost and sense of achievement that casual sex gives. It will never help those that want love, intimacy, a caring partner and a real relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/22 03:47 AM
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Many women are hypocrites when it comes to their relationship standards but there's nothing wrong with that, they're pursuing their best interests and if they can achieve those standards then all the power to them. There's nothing stopping men from being hypocrites too. We care too much about what women think. If, for instance, a promiscuous man says he will only date and marry a virgin or a woman with a low n counts that's okay too. Women will call that hypocrisy but who cares ?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/22 03:44 AM
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Many women fuck men that don't like them, I don't see the point you're trying to make? In fact more women fuck the men that don't like them than the men that do.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/22 03:37 AM
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Sure but I'm just highlighting how liberal feminism is total bullshit. When women's husbands payed for and funded their lifestyles the feminists called it slavery and oppression and they said women needed to be educated and have careers to feel empowered but so many women are now becoming sex workers and selling their bodies which is somehow not oppressive but having a family apparently is. Why even waste money educating these women who choose to become sex workers anyway?
/r/MensRights29/09/22 03:35 AM
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His post history made it sound like he's trying to change things. If he's happy then by all means he should disregard my advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/22 01:40 AM
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I read through your post history and I don't think it's too late for you. You've got a lot going for you, you run your own independent business, have the flexibility to travel and have more money saved up than most people your age. You said you didn't like living alone because it felt lonely and isolating which shows that you're also a social person. Your biggest drawback is not being able to drive and living with your parents, both fixable in under a month. Get a reliable used car, learn how to…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/22 12:21 AM
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I got called an incel and banned for making a post about how self impregnation using bought sperm should be illegal because not only does being raised by a single mother damage a child but many of these women impregnate themselves then seek out welfare. The mods of that sub are huge simps. Its called "unpopular opinion" but they can't actually stand any opinion that inconveniences women in the slightest. Reddit needs to do something about it's petty mods on a power trip problem.
/r/AntiFeminists29/09/22 12:04 AM
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Its been known for a while that women with fewer partners, religious women, women that have a more conservative approach to life and so on are less likely to cheat and are less likely to divorce their husbands. This isn't to say that promiscuous, irreligious or high partner count having women are bad in any way but make your relationship choices after factoring in the kind of woman you're getting into said relationship with. If she's more of a traditional woman with old school values then it mak…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/22 12:47 PM
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If it was a man who was divorcing his disabled wife and had taken the money from their joint account while misleading her on the law and her actual legal rights, I'd be all for her taking him to the cleaners as well. Never presume to know my motivations.
/r/MensRights28/09/22 12:38 PM
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Bruh you can take her to the cleaners. If she's the main bread winner and you're on disability then not only are you entitled to half of everything but you can also get alimony from her. Just get a very very good lawyer and there's no way you can lose. In fact by moving the money in your joint account into her account and by giving you the wrong legal advice she's already done two things that the judge will look on very very negatively. Get a good lawyer ASAP!
/r/MensRights28/09/22 10:40 AM
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Not when you're paying for those orgasms. A lot of these men are porn addicts who spend the little money they have on things line onlyfans or visiting actual escorts. This takes a significant toll on their mental health and in case of STDs, on their physical health as well. Most of them have depression which worsens because of their interactions with these sex workers. The orgasms you get from a healthy loving relationship are beneficial. The ones you get from sex work are not.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/22 03:12 AM
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I want a woman who's intelligent and driven, that's it. I have no problem with the woman I marry being a housewife but i would have a problem with her valuing a career over motherhood. Most of what the left says is both inconsistent and doesn't factor in what people actually want. They don't care about what actually makes people happy. All they care about is pushing their ideals and what they think is correct. A happy couple where the man works hard and his wife stays at home, raises kids and pa…
/r/MensRights28/09/22 01:31 AM
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If the current trend of onlyfans, sex work and sugar babying is any indication, a large number of women never actually wanted careers, just money.
/r/MensRights28/09/22 01:27 AM
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No by that logic we should value wealthy educated people over poor uneducated ones which we kinda do already. Actually both because wealthy educated people commit less crime and contribute more to society than poor uneducated people and also Asians commit less crime and contribute more to society than black people. Okay so you mean to tell me it is legal for women to drug and rape men? Stop lying. Rape happens all the time and is rarely convicted be the perp a male or a female. Lots of men rape …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/22 12:51 AM
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Well Roe was overturned… Anyways I agree in the general sense that no one forces women to have kids for the most part HOWEVER the work of bearing and raising is a net benefit to a society as you know people don’t live forever and get old. Children are just a necessity of keeping a society alive. Abortion should always be legal (although I believe that paper abortions should be legal as well). The work of bearing and raising kids does provide a net benefit to society but only when those kids are …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/22 12:51 AM
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As are drug users buying drugs
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/22 12:48 AM
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Of course but im talking about general trends in society, not outliers.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/22 12:08 AM
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Bahaha you have a good momma The whole "all men are trash" thing is super annoying and really sexist, if you think about it. Incel is more of an internet insult (that reduces women's value to that of sex objects) but I've had people say "all men are trash" irl and when you confront them about it they'll deny that it's sexist or misandrist because "men are the ones in power" and "i don't mean all men".
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/22 12:07 AM
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Fair enough, I see your point. I apologise for using such language. I'll be more careful in the future.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/22 08:09 PM
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I can use sex worker yes and in the future I'll strive to use sex worker instead of whore, thot etc but in the end it's kinda dumb to be offended by something that literally describes your job.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/22 07:55 PM
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Most sex workers dont use dating sites, we use sex worker sites. Its a minority that do. Well that minority is definitely making the majority look bad Men can also report and block them. Sure, just like women can block men that send unsolicited dick pics. That doesn't mean it isn't something we can complain about. Actually most men that see escorts are not desperate. Not like I dont know as an escort. LOL You guys just make assumptions on why men see escorts or visit an OF. Healthy functioning m…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/22 07:54 PM
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Far from? If West is far from equitable to men then what the hell are those societies — where women still can’t own property — to women? Also unfair BS. Society owes women that money because child bearing and care is not FREE LABOR despite y’all wanting it to be. No, it really does not. If you think child bearing and care is so labour intensive then don't have kids, no one is forcing you. And we all know that’s what you are referring to because most of this so called welfare is going to the elde…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/22 07:43 PM
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Many of these sex workers are also sex pests. They get on dating apps and ask men for money or the new trend where they'll dm randoms on Instagram with their shitty nudes and their onlyfans link which is just as bad as sending unsolicited dick pics. The men that visit sex workers are often lonely and desperate men, more so for the kind that sub to onlyfans. These men aren't blameless but they are being preyed upon. If you're telling me that men can think for themselves or make their own choices …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/22 07:24 PM
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I'm using words that are the literal definition of sex work. It isn't degrading. People just went extra pc and changed those words to sex work because they want their choices to be free of consequences. That being said, i will refrain from using such language in the future.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/22 07:22 PM
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Some sort of parental license would help society so much but instead not only can awful parents reproduce but now women can go to a sperm bank and impregnate themselves, despite the multitude of statistics that show how damaging single parenthood is for children and their future, and then turn right around and claim welfare and drain taxpayer funds.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/22 06:59 PM
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Current society is far from equitable or fair. Gynocentricism is when a society revolves around it's women, when it's all about doing what's best for women and what favours them and ignoring the plight of men which is what's currently happening. Not only are there actual legal discriminations against men where much of welfare money and most government assistance programs cater to women despite men paying the lion's share of taxes but even in areas where men make up a majority of the victims such…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/22 06:56 PM
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Indeed a lot could be done to fix both sides. I wouldn't say men being masculine is enough anymore, u need to also communicate with and spend time with your partner but yeah most men are far removed from masculinity and don't even value themselves anymore. Fixing the female side of things is even easier. Just end the body positivity lies and liberal feminism.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/22 06:22 PM
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Nothing per say but those men are physically attractive to most women while fat short men aren't everyone's type.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/22 05:42 PM
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Certainly if you can agree that most women in abusive relationships made choices that contributed to the dynamic, you can agree that men who are utilizing the services of a sex worker made choices that contributed to that dynamic, as well. If society in general agrees to the first then yes i can agree to the second but we mollycoddle women that get with abusive men while ignoring men trapped in the abusive web of sex workers.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/22 05:39 PM
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Why would degrading sex workers make me feel better about myself? Sex workers are promiscuous and literally fit the definition of a prostitute/whore. If a sex worker/hooker/whatever is offended by the literal definition of sex work maybe they shouldn't be doing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/22 05:38 PM
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Men aren't preyed upon by sex workers, they actively seek them out and willingly pay for their services. A lot of the people using the services of sex workers are lonely men that waste their money on sex work. They're often not rich or powerful. If that isn't preying on men then neither is it predatory when much older men date younger women (consenting adults ofc) or when people in positions of power date their underlings. Also please stop acting like a high percentage of women have an OF. Nowhe…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/22 05:35 PM
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Yeah it's unfortunate but a lot of men arent even willing to put in the bare minimum effort anymore. They've lost the drive and the ambition to do anything. Women's standards have risen and rightfully so, because now they can meet their own basic needs and while some women have acquired delusional standards, a lot just want a man who brings something to the table besides an income. A lot of modern men can't even bring the income. I wonder why this has happened tbh. Porn and video games have defi…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/22 12:45 PM
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The men you describe are "preyed on" by women, while the women "choose" those men "if they wish to settle." Men are "average and below average;" women are "older, fatter, and sluttier." There's good reasons for this. Men are preyed on by sex workers who take advantage of men's loneliness and milk them for money. Not by average or below average women. Also women are typically the choosers in any coupling. Even women that get with abusive men do unfortunately choose them for a myriad of reasons. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/22 12:37 PM
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Oh absolutely I'm just talking about the kind of men and women the masses value here.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/22 12:25 PM
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Nobody's perfect, nobody has it all figured out but that's not an excuse to dump all over your love ones. Agreed! I don't think you need to be high functioning to maintain a relationship but it takes a lot of work, sacrifice, communication and self control. In the end a lot of people are just too selfish or lack enough basic human decency to make relationships work.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/22 10:53 AM
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It really isn't hard to tell if someone's using you for your money, it isn't rocket science. You're talking about potential sugar babies targeting rich men but it's easy enough to do with regular women out on dates. I always split the cheque on the first 3 dates and take her to cheap places like a coffee date, a walking date etc. It weeds out the women that are entitled, that are gold diggers, that ascribe to toxic ideologies like FDS etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/22 04:56 AM
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If women carry the responsibility for their sexual reproduction then abortion should be illegal. Allowing abortion is mitigation of those consequences. Men get no such options. The only way to solve this ‘inequality’ is rape or like drugging either men or women with hormones. So I’m not sure what you are advocating for there. Also again, I don’t think not being able to have sex is the same as an abortion or pregnancy or birth. I'm merely giving examples of biological inequalities that exist, not…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/22 05:37 PM
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Its an argument about a man's money, something he sacrifices his body and his time to obtain. Its also about a man's right to be a father if he so wishes cause 50% of that baby's dna ? Yeah it comes from him. Its a very valid comparison. You cannot have it both ways. The current system where abortion is legal but child support isn't optional is deeply unfair to men. You either make abortions illegal, child support voluntary or disallow abortions in cases where a man wants to keep the child.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/22 05:35 PM
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They make me cry
/r/MensRights26/09/22 05:32 PM
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A depth that feminists lack xd
/r/MensRights26/09/22 05:32 PM
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Ah yes because women can abandon their maternal responsibility and can abort their baby even if the father wants to keep it but should the woman have the child but the father wants nothing to do with it? He gets imprisoned over a failure to pay.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/22 10:49 AM
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It’s not equal to give men the right to have sex without reproductive responsibility whilst women have to carry significant responsibility. Okay then let's deny both genders the right to abdicate their reproductive responsibilities. Make abortion illegal for women and imprison them if they abort their babies, the same as how men that don't pay child support, are imprisoned. Don't give men and women the option to a abandon their paternal duties once conception has taken place. Men dying early is …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/22 10:47 AM
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Mate im all for equality but i can't stand feminists. I tolerate them as friends but i wouldn't date one and if anyone thinks that makes me a misogynist they've got the iq of an onion. The only self proclaimed feminist i would even begin to consider dating is this girl i know that strongly supports men's rights and wants true equality, she doesn't like the perpetual victimhood of women. I'd say she's more of an egalitarian that calls herself a feminist.
/r/MensRights26/09/22 06:20 AM
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You can be in denial but I'm not getting into some semantic game . What you may call Red pill is not considered Red pill by most . I don't really see the reason to grant your right to this label because you are not the one who decides who is Red pill . Just because someone says something you don't like doesn't mean they aren't Red pill nor does it mean they can't expand the Red pill ideology themselves . You speak as if this ideology is objective or something . This community really needs to und…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/22 05:28 AM
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I knew someone would appeal to this . Dismiss the millions of young men who are convinced that descriptions lead to prescriptions by saying It doesn't matter what those youtubers say because it doesn't change what red pill philosophy really is. Anyone can derail a movement and corrupt its core ideologies but you said the red pill is a cult and that's just wrong. If someone is using red pill information, misrepresenting it, twisting it with their own ideologies and is forming a cult that's on the…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/22 03:05 AM
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I have some sort of natural aversion against treating prostitutes like queens, idk. If you got a snap premium this dick premium is the only thing you're getting.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen26/09/22 02:52 AM
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Fair enough. Women can absolutely make a lot of money if they whore themselves out on multiple platforms and cleverly manage their time and the services that they have to offer. The demand for prostituition Is at an all time high and it makes sense why so many women are going into it. There's no real social stigma to this anymore and unless their personal morals are against it, there's no reason for most women to abstain from this lifestyle. There's a market demand and they're the market supply.…
/r/MensRights26/09/22 01:01 AM
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Hmm you're right there could be civilizations that abandoned monogamy and who's existence overlaps with that of guns. However, perhaps guns were never as cheap, easy to obtain or as available to the masses as they are today. You're correct in that whenever a civilization in the past weakened a stronger ideology took over and that this this the first time the weakening is happening on a global scale. I think the days of humanity having a bright future are behind us.
/r/MensRights26/09/22 12:55 AM
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The red pill isn't a cult and it isn't an absolute ideology. Your entire reliance is on what 'big red pillers' on YouTube do but these are people that sat controversial things to make money off their fanbase or sell subscriptions to their shitty programs with Andrew tate being the biggest example. Go read the actual red pill literature. Who gives a fuck what 'red pill' youtubers are saying ? They aren't representative of the philosophy. Hell, most of them probably haven't even read it themselves…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/22 12:52 AM
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Women are absolutely being groomed and manipulated into what's essentially prostituition. Its society wide mass prostituition that's being pushed and encouraged by the left and liberal feminism on a massive scale. They're also being lied to about their actual income prospects because ultimately onlyfans relies on a woman looking good and/or catering to some extreme fetishes and unless you're in the top 10% of creators you cannot live off it. The average OF creator makes only about 182$ a month b…
/r/MensRights26/09/22 12:38 AM
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You assume these women are making 100k+ a year. There have been multiple studies done on the earnings of women on OF and the top 10% of creators make 42k a year, the top 1% make 82k and only in the top 0.1% onwards do you start to make serious money. If you're an average OF creator aka 50% you make about 2-3k a year for the first year and then make nearly nothing in subsequent years. Remember you actually have to be really good looking or cater to some extreme fetish to make big money on OF. Mos…
/r/MensRights26/09/22 12:34 AM
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The red pill isn't a cult, it's a set of ideas, a tool kit if you will and you're free to pick and choose those that best fit your life and your goals. It doesn't have any overarching beliefs or set paths to follow. For the large part, trp explains the psychology of men and women and of the relationships between us and gives you a rough outline on how you can achieve more success with women, whatever your goal may be. If anything feminism is a lot more cultish than is trp because you're not allo…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/22 12:25 AM
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Your friends are sexist misandrists and they're trying to justify their hatred and rationalize it. You wouldn't be friends with someone that's racist or homophobic so why be friends with misandrists? I've met crazy man hating women before and I've called them misandrists to their faces and have refused to have anything to do with them. You have the right to choose your friends and to leave friends that have shitty, discriminatory and biased world views. The women you're with, what do you even lo…
/r/MensRights26/09/22 12:11 AM
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Monogamy was a very good solution. It paired people that were on similar levels with each other, gave women the option of social ascension via "marrying up", gave below average men families and thus provided them an incentive to be productive, work hard and contribute to society. The breakdown of monogamy and the societal shift to a "harem" like situation where top men monopolize scores of women is something that's entirely new and unprecedented and is bound to have significant consequences for …
/r/MensRights26/09/22 12:05 AM
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You'll never achieve true equality because of the nature of our biology but it's a hell of a lot more equal than the current scenario where men get absolutely no say in fatherhood but women can choose whether or not they wish to be mothers. Men die, on average, 5-7 years earlier than women, that isn't equality either but it's the nature of our biology. What's actually unfair is allowing abortion to be legal while denying men that same choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/22 11:59 PM
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Never said that but I'm talking about a situation where abortion is safe and freely available. If you can't afford to raise the child, don't have it. Women have the choice of a physical abortion and men of a paper abortion.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/22 11:57 PM
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The only logical argument I've seen, against paper abortions, relates to the welfare of the child and the money needed to raise it. However, given that the welfare of said child doesn't seem to matter when it comes to women getting their way whether that be abortions or the family court favouring mothers, even when they're clearly unfit parents, I don't see how it's fair to dump it on the man either. Child support should be mandatory If the child was given birth to within the confines of a long …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/22 05:28 PM
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The women on onlyfans are predators and many of them are sex pests but they're taking advantage of current market conditions. The far larger cause for concern is the growing problem of lonely men. 30-40% of men are getting no relationships and no sex and a further % are in miserable relationships where they settled for women that they aren't happy with, just for a shot at pussy. We need a solution to this problem, a problem that the media, governments and people in general don't care about. The …
/r/MensRights25/09/22 05:13 PM
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A man doesn't need to give up on sex per say. Not in 2022 where sex work and prostituition are super normalized and women that lack morals are found everywhere. You can always get a sugar baby or something. That being said many men will have to give up on relationships. They can be happy without a relationship but only if they don't obsess about finding one and invest their energy in other areas that bring them happiness. It's hard to fight your biological and sociological needs for reproduction…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/22 12:07 PM
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I agree with most of what you say but I'll add on a perspective for the women's side of things. For the male side you're right in what you assert. That even if women have entirely unrealistic and unreasonable standards, that's still the market value of men because that's what women want. They don't have to accept it ofc and they can forgo women all together or at least those on dating apps but these are their choices. For the female side of things a lot of women don't want to accept or don't und…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/22 12:03 PM
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Lmao tbfh. Radicalized at such a young age and so obviously misandrist
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/22 11:43 AM
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Way to stereotype an entire gender. The same gender that have given their lives and limb to defend women. Many men were on the front lines as allies in the fight for women's rights. Feminists are getting more and more delusional by the day.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/22 05:06 AM
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No matter what we name it, they'll hate us because they wish to push a female supremacy agenda and we care about the "wrong" gender. We could literally call ourselves the "help starving children in Africa" front and we'd still get hate. The thing to do is fight the hate and educate those that aren't close minded misandrists.
/r/MensRights24/09/22 11:34 AM
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No! I support men and men's rights but not adultery. Let's not be like feminists with their moral hypocrisy.
/r/MensRights24/09/22 10:51 AM
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Women can easily kill and seriously hurt men too or do you still think we live in 50,000 BCE and don't have tools ? Guns, knives, poison, rope etc.
/r/MensRights24/09/22 08:27 AM
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A lot of times women that were raped are asked why they didn't struggle or try to fight back. Sometimes they don't even say no during the act, only before it. Sometimes they even get wet. Its very possible to freeze up and not be able to think/respond properly during rape. I was taken advantage of by a much older woman and while it wasn't rape she pushed me to do things i was clearly uncomfortable with doing. It was my first sexual experience ever. I said no but she goaded, teased and manipulate…
/r/MensRights24/09/22 03:51 AM
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This keeps happening because no one ever holds the government responsible. No one sues them under a constitutional right against gender based discrimination, no one games the system and self identifies as a woman/trans/non binary to get access to these funds etc. Its fine and dandy to talk about it on reddit but how many of the posters here are actual homeless people from Denver who will game the system or are willing to go up against the government?
/r/MensRights24/09/22 03:45 AM
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As a man i prefer having a male massage therapist. They can apply more pressure and I'm uncomfortable with a random woman, who I'm not having sex with, seeing me half naked.
/r/MensRights24/09/22 12:17 AM
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Why would any man that respects himself want to date the kind of woman thats got a perpetual victim complex and that blames all men for things that happened before she was even born? That perpetuates a myth of equality while being a misandrist and striving for female supremacy? There's people of color that date racists too but those aren't mentally healthy people that respect themselves. Similarly men that date radfems aren't mentally healthy men that respect themselves. Its not random lies, it'…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/22 06:05 PM
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I did specify men with even an ounce of self respect. There's many that have none.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/22 12:13 PM
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What a lot of people aren't willing to accept is that most men aren't enthused about dating feminists, especially radfems. It isn't because we're misogynists but rather because no man with even an ounce of self respect wants to be with a woman who blames their entire gender for stuff that happened in the past before they were even alive or thinks your gender is some sort of Boogeyman that's responsible for all of their problems. Its like a poc wouldn't wanna date someone thats racist. Similarly …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/22 04:55 AM
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I agree with you. Everyone is entitled to whatever standards they wish to have so long as they're willing to accept ending up alone if they can't find someone that meets those standards. However, one huge disconnect is that society is a lot more willing to accept women's standards, however exaggerated than to accept men's standards, even if they're reasonable.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/22 04:50 AM
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Sure. But why is that solely the women's fault? I could put this entire argument backwards. I'm not saying it's women's fault. I'm just stating why there's a severe disconnect between what average women want vs what they can provide. What average men want and can provide hasn't changed much but what average women want and can provide, has. Instead of the women changing to provide men with what they value, why can't the men change what they value and align themselves to fit the goals of career or…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/22 04:47 AM
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Average men and average women bring the same things to the table. However, the value of those things aren't the same. Men care more about a woman's ability to be a good partner and if they want a family, then her ability to be a good mother than they care about her career. Its why men will date women that make less money than they do and CEOs will even date their secretaries. While the average woman now has a career and an education, many aren't good partners, don't share the emotional load of t…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/22 03:54 AM
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Thank you. Imo all of their double standards, unrealistic expectations and hypocrisy stem from two things, an overvaluation of themselves and a high degree of solipsism. They're average women that think that because they've got a career (which isn't a deciding factor in mate choices for most men) and because they have many men in their dms that they somehow deserve a top 1% man. They think that just because men will sleep with them that those same men will also date them They also have a high de…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/22 03:46 AM
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I'm sure women have the same experience but, quite honestly, it's rather frustrating to see how the women behave. I'd say the women on this sub are, if anything, a lot more open minded than other women and yet they too have a sense of entitlement where they believe men should only have those standards, that they deem appropriate. They wish to dictate what men are allowed to think, feel and want. They love having their standards but are mad that men's standards don't align with what they want. Ul…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/22 03:15 AM
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Most of the women I see on dating sites range from average to fat and not conventionally attractive. A lot of the younger ones are looking for hookups while a lot of the older ones are probably those that got out of a relationship and are trying to find a boyfriend/husband on the app. Its super rare that I'll come accross someone who's both attractive and not super old. There's also a lot of single mothers and divorced women. I initially got on dating apps to try and find a serious ltr but the q…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/22 03:08 AM
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men should pay for sex I don't respect men who pay for sex ??? I agree with you that men that pay for sex are pathetic and lack self control or restraint but you do realize that it doesn't matter if a man can fullfill or even wants to fullfill a woman's needs right ? The men that are having sex are simply hot enough to get sex and the ones that aren't may have made for great partners but they don't look good and are forced to use the sevices of whores and ewhores. Women drop their standards for …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 03:26 AM
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I wonder if you also call women that want men that are taller than them, richer than them or fitter than them as "insecure" If a man wants a virgin woman or a woman with a low body count that's his choice. His standard and his preference. It has nothing to do with him being insecure and no one gets a say on his standards. The OP and the other men here aren't talking about stopping a woman from exploring her sexuality. Women have every right to explore their sexuality. They just aren't entitled t…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 02:17 AM
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It's gross. It's not attractive. It's like a revulsion in the pit of your stomach. Ew. I 100% agree. I've had this conversation with people and have used statistical data and reasonable explanations for why i don't want a woman with a high body count and the retort i most often receive, when I tell people i wouldn't marry a woman with a high body count, is that I'll never really know and she could lie. That i could find the truth out after marriage. Like that's how somehow normal behaviour? Star…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 01:20 AM
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Its sad how shit society has become. Regular hardworking men can't find girlfriends and wives because the standards and expectations of women have risen beyond what is reasonable. Average women that aren't happy with an average man anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 01:16 AM
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Call it whatever you want. At the end of the day it's still fucking pathetic and only the most desperate, disgusting and hopeless sort of men would pay for onlyfans. You're usually not even building a connection with the content creator (can also be read as eprostitute) they hire people to reply to dms for them. If anything onlyfans is worse than porn because it's deluding these poor pathetic sods into thinking they've got some sort of relationship and is draining them of their savings and hard …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/22 12:06 PM
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Those men were only interested in the woman for sex. Once they got the sex they wanted, the onus to treat the woman well or even like a human being disappeared. What's also probably true is that these women are far below that man in terms of attractiveness or SMV and these men have no desire for repeat sex with these women. The women you've spoken to are picking shitty men who's only redeeming trait is that they're hot or that they're able to seduce her and who are only in it for the sex. Then t…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/22 02:24 AM
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They're both creepy and disturbing, let's leave it at that. I've got no problem with women and society condemning age gap relationships but only if they apply those same standards for other kinds of relationships. If they won't hold women responsible and shame them for their unashamed pursuit of their evolutionary goals (aka a tall rich and fit man who can provide and protect) then not only do i have no problem with men pursuing their evolutionary goals (a young attractive woman with a low body …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/22 12:38 PM
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why are u assuming so many women got tall dads first of all?? A short woman trying to date a tall man is creepy because it's like a dad and his daughter. Its disturbing and such relationships need to be condemned. the reason the age thing is creepy is because old people have way more life experience and probably way more money which means there is a power dynamic. Then men and women should not date people that are richer than them either because of the power imbalance. Men with lower body counts…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/22 12:10 PM
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Its also creepy when short women go for really tall men, it's like they're trying to date their dads, it's the same when broke women go for rich men, when fat women go for fit men, etc. Ultimately though it doesn't really matter what you or I think. Even if you think it's creepy there's plenty of younger women that will date older men and unless you're holding men and women equally accountable, your moral judgements are irrelevant. Its ironic that the same women that think an older man dating a …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/22 11:52 AM
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Why would I be mad ? I'm not wasting money on those ehookers. Im simply explaining how women and society in general has double standards so men may as well do whatever the fuck they want cause women sure as hell do. Men can date much younger women if they so choose (so long as they're both consenting adults) and if women wanna cry about it, let them.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/22 11:23 AM
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Women have been manipulating and have been taking advantage of men since the start of human history. Alpha fucks and beta bucks, paternity fraud and modern marriages where women bring next to nothing to the relationship while men are expected to provide everything, is all taking advantage of men. Hell, the entire only fans industry is build around women preying on lonely and desperate men which includes young, barely legal women providing sexual services to old as fuck men but no one seems to ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/22 08:59 AM
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That's fine but that doesn't change the fact that older men prefer younger women because older women just aren't attractive. We men don't usually want fat women, broke women, women that have casual sex and hookups, women that do drugs, women that have an onlyfans or sell themselves, single mothers etc. However, the key difference is that when we men reject women for what we don't find attractive, society shames us for it. However, when women reject men for literally anything, society supports th…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/22 07:59 AM
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Most men prefer women between the ages of 18-25 but society and women don't give a fuck about men's evolutionary preferences. They've told men repeatedly that they have to date women that are closer to their age and they've told women that older men are predatory. As such many men can't get younger women anymore and date women that are closer to their age and will even shame the men that can get younger women. At the same time women unashamedly chase their evolutionary preferences aka tall rich …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/22 03:23 AM
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If you are doing something for someone, sex or otherwise, it should come from a place of wanting, not a feeling of obligation. I agree with that but it doesn't change the fact that sex is an implicit part of marriage. When you get married sex and a lot of other things are implied. If one side consistently fails to provide that to the other then it doesn't make sense for said marriage to persist.
/r/MensRights14/09/22 10:13 PM
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No one said anything about having sex without consent but it is very much an implied part of marriage. When you marry your husband or wife there's a reasonable expectation that sex will continue, that your personalities won't drastically change, that the two of you won't drastically lose/gain weight etc. Obviously unforseen things can happen but if one partner no longer wants to have sex then it's fair to say they've violated the reasonable expectation of marriage and you're within your right to…
/r/MensRights14/09/22 05:16 PM
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Sex is an implicit part of any marriage. A wife that won't have sex with her husband is like a husband that won't work or provide for the family. You don't have to face a dead bedroom. Divorce her and move on, she violated her end of the marriage do why are you keeping yours?
/r/MensRights14/09/22 11:17 AM
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Exactly! Someone who's marriage worthy should automatically be hookup worthy as well. The other way around isn't necessary of course because some men only bring their looks or good sex to the table and nothing else so it's understandable why women wouldn't wanna marry them and would only hookup with them but if you wouldn't hookup with a man, who you would marry, then presumably you only want access to his resources. His looks and personality clearly aren't what interest you.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 03:01 AM
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You completely ignored my argument and went onto a whole different tangent about how women are financially capable and can provide for themselves. I'm talking about why a woman would marry a man who she wouldn't hookup with. She clearly isn't attracted to the way he looks or his personality. She wants what she can only get by marrying him, access to his resources. Even women that earn money aren't precluded from being gold diggers. Women usually make less than men (not because of some mythical p…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 02:59 AM
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A man definitely needs to bring more to the table to be good marriage material but I'm talking about cases in which a man is only known as marriage material but not hookup material. Where women would marry him but those same women would never hookup with him and would hookup with other men instead. That shows that these women aren't attracted to his looks, his personality, his being loving or kind or loyal etc. They only want his resources. Thus a man whos hookup material can definitely also be …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 12:20 AM
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Statistically, most married couples start off dating which leads to a relationship and to marriage but sure a fair amount of them may be the result of hookups as well. I'm sure a lot of women are willing to marry the men they hookup with. I'm merely trying to explain why men would rather be called hookup material than marriage material. Being hookup material doesn't preclude you from being marriage material but if you're only good enough to marry and not to hookup with, then you're basically not…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 12:17 AM
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It did answer your question but yet here you are, whining in the comments.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 12:13 AM
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I'd rather be single and happy than the miserable sod whos happy that a woman settled for him. I've got self respect.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 05:08 PM
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Exactly, that's the ideal.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 04:59 PM
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Id rather be with a woman who finds me attractive enough to fuck and marry than be with someone who settled for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 04:58 PM
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Some people would rather keep their standards than adjust or drop them to find a partner, some self improve so that they can find someone who meets their standards, some have different standards for a husband/wife vs for a relationship vs for a hookup and so on. There's no one right path, you just need to be aware of what standards the other party holds and be rational about it. If you have high standards but you don't even fit their standards, you may not get them. It's also very crucial to get…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 03:22 PM
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Sure, some guys prefer being marriage material and are monogamous by nature but when men say they don't wanna be marriage material and would rather be hookup material, what it really translates to, is that we don't want to be the men that she would marry but not hookup with. It's basically telling us that you aren't attractive enough to fuck but you're a good provider and so I'll marry you when I'm looking to settle down. No man wants that. When you're good enough to hookup with you're usually a…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 03:19 PM
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But wanting that, is in and of itself, sexist. It's based on old ideas about purity, and inherently the idea that sex is bad, and women that have it are somehow tainted. Not at all. It has nothing to do with purity unless you're some religious Nutter. Sex just has meaning to a lot of people and someone who has a lot of casual sex is just unattractive to such people. People that have a lot of casual sex, usually have tons of red flags and most people don't want their relationship partners to be s…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 02:08 PM
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Its as you said, it depends on why she's making the man wait but that's what the OP said as well. If she's making him wait because she prefers to vet a man and get into a committed relationship before having sex? That's totally fine If she's making him wait while she jumped into bed with men for one night stands in the past? Or if she's sexually vanilla with him but was a lot more experimental with past partners? Then she's got an internalized maddona-whore complex that she's trying to cover up …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 03:27 AM
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Completely untrue! Obsessing over body counts is weird incel territory, sure, but wanting a partner with a low body count is perfectly reasonable and there's nothing sexist about that. It's called having standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 03:11 AM
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There's absolutely no point in having low standards, if those standards make you miserable. My post was never about lowering your standards. It's about reflecting on your standards and thinking about whether you fit the standards of the kind of person you want. If you don't then you should consider that you may not land such a person and ponder alternatives You clearly did that, you found a path that makes you happy and you achieved self sufficiency. All the more power to you for that and I'm ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 01:32 AM
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There's a huge difference in what women say they want vs what women actually chase. It's why the colloquial wisdom is for men to not take dating advice from women. Obviously there are always exceptions but I've known plenty of women that have said they want a decent man who's level headed, intelligent, treats them right and is a good partner. Then they'll chase the good looking or popular shitty (If you're unattractive but popular/powerful/rich, you can pull a lot of women, I've seen this in act…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 01:23 AM
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An unfortunate reality. Not all women do this ofc but too many women have inflated egos and misplaced valuations of themselves. While i don't entirely blame them, men would probably be doing the same if 9's and 10's were chasing us, women need to recognise the difference in sexual vs relationship selection and realize two things; The first is that these men just want to fuck these women and have no desire to committ to them or get into relationships with them. Theyre just 'slumming' it when it c…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 01:12 AM
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Fair enough, not all women want very arbitrary physical characteristics in men. My previous comment comes off more bitter than realistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 01:07 AM
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From a genetic standpoint? Yes! It's why you see paternity fraud becoming increasingly common. However, those top percentage of men will not give above average, average and below women a relationship, they'll only offer that to the top percentage of women. Thus you'll have some women having babies with good looking or masculine men and becoming single mothers, then looking for relationships. You'll have some who will have a child with a rich man and then milk him for child support and use that f…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 12:57 AM
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I read what he said and all I'm saying is men are choosing not to date or going abroad more and more off late. I agree with you that more and more women are choosing not have children or to be single mothers (despite the proven harm it does to the child, the higher likelihood of the child being a victim of abuse, of becoming a drug addict and of failing at life and despite many of these single mothers not having the resources to care for their children and becoming welfare leeches). More and mor…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/22 04:30 AM
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There's plenty of examples. Half the accusations of misogyny are people talking out of their asses. I've been called a misogynist for stating that i didn't want a government official to be elected, that was female. i never said anything about her being a woman. I didn't want her because she's incompetent. I could spin your claim around on you, that every time I see someone say this, they either can't provide one...or they're wrong and it's very much misandry and/or sexism lol. Misandry and misog…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/22 06:58 PM
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Don't women do the same? They scream misogyny at any criticism of a woman or her behaviour, however legitimate. They even label things as misogynist that have nothing to do with women. It's reached the point where the word misogyny has no meaning. I'm old enough to remember when spousal rape was legal in my state. Male rape is still not recognised in my first world, western country.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/22 06:39 PM
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My bad i meant women, that was a typo.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/22 06:38 PM
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That's some women, many women set different standards themselves and don't hoe around in their 20s. Most men don't want the women that hoe around in their 20s and wanna settle in their 30s
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/22 06:37 PM
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Don't broke women complain about dating broke men? Fat women about dating fat men? Short women about short men? Men's body counts don't matter as much to women, womens matter to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/22 06:36 PM
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Then how do we judge the feminist movement? Most modern feminists seem to be crazy misandrists.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/22 06:35 PM
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I've directed it at women because my experiences come from dating women. Men have their own sets of unreasonable standards where they don't consider if they themselves meet the standards of the women they want. Men aren't beggars. Some sad pathetic men may be but the kind of men women want, especially women with high standards, certainly aren't beggars. They actively choose to pump and dump women rather than date them because while they meet the standards of these women, these women don't meet t…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/22 06:35 PM
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I agree with you but I'd say that's more representative of incels than red pillers because the red pill actively tells you that you need to self improve, in all aspects of life, to get women. Incels and FDS style delusional women have super high standards while having nothing to offer in turn and they'd rather grumble about the lack of "HVM" or attractive women than do anything to fix their lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/22 06:31 PM
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You're right about the first part but not entirely about the second. Female executives do want someone of the same social status but they also want him to make about as much money as they do, if not more and be as dynamic as they are. They'll almost never accept a house husband.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/22 06:29 PM
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Men mainly choose women based off of how pretty she is, how "useful" she is to his personal, professional life as well as his over all social standing. I don't believe that most men actually "care" about the women that they choose. It seems that women are more so just appliances that men install in their life when they get bored, lonely, and/or need someone to motivate them to do something with themselves/lives. I disagree with this. I agree with you that men aren't all the same and want differe…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/22 06:28 PM
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This sub is a microcosm, the pills and people in general are so much bigger than that. Read up on what the trp actually teaches men before judging it. It's nothing but a toolkit with different tools for men to use, depending on their situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/22 06:26 PM
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No but they aren't gonna get the kinda quality men they want
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/22 06:25 PM
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Why does it matter when a man's not rich or tall or when he doesn't have social clout? Most men don't like to marry hoes, they're for pumps and dumps only.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/22 06:25 PM
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You're giving anecdotal examples while we're talking about general trends. Also those hoes in their 20s are probably not married to quality men in their 30s or have lied to their spouses. They also have statistically higher rates of divorce and marital unhappiness. Why is it so hard for women to understand that most men don't wanna wife up the town bike?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/22 06:24 PM
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Women don't care as much about a man's sexual past as men care about a woman's, they care about other things like the man's finances and his height and social clout, things that men don't care about in a woman. If women start to care about men's body counts then they need to stop caring about those other things.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/22 06:22 PM
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You're only dating down in terms of wealth, you're getting a lot of benefits in return such as a conservative rural woman who's awed by your achievements and wealth and you're getting to dodge the feminist harpies. I wouldn't really call that dating down but a fair match.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/22 06:21 PM
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such as men choosing to remain single or men going to other countries where the women might be better, that there is a chance that women will alter their behavior. You're right and this has been happening, more and more off late.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/22 06:19 PM
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However, I don't think anybody is wrong for having impossible standards, though. You can refuse to date someone for any reason whatsoever. Nobody has to date anyone. If those people are happier being single, let them be. Oh absolutely. Everyone's welcome to their standards, however impossible they may be. They should just acknowledge that very few people will meet those standards and even if such a person exists, they probably won't meet the standards of that person.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/22 06:18 PM
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A very interesting perspective
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/22 06:17 PM
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Read the entire post. I believe it's okay to have whatever standards you've got but you need to realize that the other side also has standards, sometimes standards that are different and are as high or higher than yours and that while they may meet your standards, you may not meet theirs.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/22 06:16 PM
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Is this a comment reducing women to sex objects only thereby stating that women have no purpose beyond sex ?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/22 06:12 PM
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No, women want men that are rich (read: ambitious or successful), good looking, have social clout, have fun personalities, are 6ft tall +, are well educated, are well travelled etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/22 06:05 PM
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What I'm talking about here isnt a guidebook for women to follow, rather it's about tradeoff's. Men value youth and dislike promiscuity in women. Ofc individual men differ but this is the general trend. If women spend too long having fun in their youth or have too much fun, they won't be as attractive to men anymore or as much of a catch and may not fit mens standards. It's like if men became rich and fit when they turned 18 and spent their youth squandering their money and gaining weight and ca…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/22 02:32 PM
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There's two kinds of men that are at work here. There's the average men with regular jobs, an average education, average personality and looks who are happy to get into ltrs and settle down early but usually struggle to get relationships and then there's the men that are in demand. The good looking, charming and rich men for whom the post sexual revolution world is a veritable paradise, for who women are like beer on tap and who won't settle till the steady flow of women dries up.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/22 02:19 PM
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With the woman you've described she's obviously low quality, no man with options would go for her but like you've said, she can do her hair and makeup and the man she got is someone who's struggled to get a girlfriend and isn't conventionally attractive. Back in the day his degree and earning potential would have been enough but women's standards have gone way up while many women don't match these standards themselves. The net result is that women that don't have such high standards get the aver…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/22 02:16 PM
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Unfortunately that's where the tradeoff for many men lies. Which path will it be ? The lonely path with escorts and sugar babies ? Or the one where you can have a family but you've both settled for each other and aren't what each other truly wants and there's a 50% chance she'll leave you and take half your stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/22 02:09 PM
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I said my response that I would relate better to someone on a similar level to be educationally. I should not have to be open to anything I don’t want to be as long as I’m not being a hypocrite. You misunderstood what i was trying to say. I absolutely agree that you don't have to be open to anything you don't want, even if you're being a hypocrite, no one does. That being said i was just telling you why it may be difficult to find such partners because men that fit your standards, will have a di…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/22 02:07 PM
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Fair enough i guess a lot of men can't do that but then they should cope with hookers and sugar babies rather than be someone else's billy beta even tho she's far below them
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/22 12:39 PM
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Me personally ? I want a woman who's intelligent, has a good personality, is kind, is attractive to me (not supermodel tier but cute), is younger (preferably early 20s) and has a low to 0 body count. And yes i match what i want with what i have to offer. In general a woman should bring as much to the table as what the men she's looking for, actually want in a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/22 12:37 PM
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You keep saying in your post that you’re open to hearing from women about their experiences with men who have high standards, but then you go onto say “men don’t typically care about degrees, men don’t care about xyz” which leads me to think you’re not as open as you appear to be. You genuinely think women are worse with their standards. No I'm listening to their experiences and im stating what many men genuinely do and don't care about. There's nothing wrong with women having standards provided…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/22 12:35 PM
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I assumed you meant husband by your partner, that's my mistake. Also, I'm not looking down on education in general, i hold two degrees, but some subjects are worthless, things like gender studies or English literature. I used you when I was referring to you and i specifically said that, and i quote " You did some casual sex, you probably didn't pursue casual sex till your late 20s/early 30s and become a older woman without a stellar personality and with nothing to really offer beyond worthless d…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/22 12:27 PM
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Basically just that, if men need to drop their preferences or marry women that don't bring as much to the table as they do, then it isn't worth it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/22 12:20 PM
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Women understand, women don’t care. Men also seem to understand, but they don’t care either. Unfortunately you may be right on this. While women want what they want, they don't really want to give men the things that men want. Yet they get angry when men won't committ. While I partially agree with you, I still think that there aren’t many young men like that around either. And for most young women, the ideal isn’t a significantly (5+ years) older man. So if she doesn’t find a mature, handsome gu…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/22 12:19 PM
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Read what i wrote, I'm talking about women that pursue casual sex into their late 20s and early 30s and then look for a man that meets all these high standards of theirs while having nothing to offer themselves. You had yours between 18-20 and are already married by 25. You also presumably bring something to the table yourself. That's not the kind of women I'm talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/22 12:13 PM
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And thus you prove my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/22 12:01 PM
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He's a red piller sure, one of its pioneers, but if you hate all TRP men then you know nothing about the red pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/22 11:57 AM
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Sure and I'm not telling men to pursue a pump and dump lifestyle but if men need to lower their standards to the point where they're wifing up female losers, they're better off pumping and dumping.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/22 11:53 AM
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You did some casual sex, you probably didn't pursue casual sex till your late 20s/early 30s and become a older woman without a stellar personality and with nothing to really offer beyond worthless degrees (aka something that isn't really worth studying) and thus you and your friends were able to find husbands. Even if you did all those things, there will always be some exceptions to the rule but in general older women that have no personality beyond consuming increasing amounts of alcohol, that …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/22 11:51 AM
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The fundamental problem, that women fail to understand, is that men don't value the same things that women do. There's nothing wrong with wanting well educated, travelled, culturally and intellectually refined men that make good incomes and can connect with you emotionally, if you yourself are a young attractive woman who's intelligent, well spoken and has a fun personality. If you're older (28+), unattractive, unintelligent or you're a rather basic average woman then yes, these are high standar…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/22 11:47 AM
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The problem is these grown matured women that are now older and have been run through aren't really appealing mates to the kind of men that these women actually want, men would rather continue pumping and dumping them. If you wanna secure a quality man you need to not get hoodwinked into casual sex culture and search for a good man in your youth.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/22 11:43 AM
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Fair enough but then why should men lower their standards either ? Let's be honest, most modern women aren't relationship material. Why shouldn't the men that can do so, actively pump and dump these women and break up with them when they push for relationships or marriage?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/22 11:41 AM
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Most men would prefer good, loyal, virgin wives if they could find them, the key word being finding them. It's very difficult to find a virgin woman after college.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/22 04:03 AM
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Virginity isn't something that's physically or sexually appealing, it's a standard. Its like a man being wealthy. If that man is old or ugly but is wealthy, it's the same way with a virgin woman that's old or ugly, her virginity like his wealth isn't worth as much as it would be in a younger, good looking person.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 03:42 AM
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The divorce rate in most of the west is between 40-70%. Most of these couples aren't virgins and are sexually active men and women getting married. Sex always declines after a year or two into marriage and it's usually the woman who triggers this decline. A lot of women also fake their sex drive and are very enthusiastic about sex before they've got the ring but won't do anymore than missionary and a blowjob after. Pregnancy, mental and physical problems and so many other things can also influen…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 12:20 AM
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I don't usually compare women to cars but seeing as you're rolling with this analogy, i also don't pay full price for used cars, i only rent them.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 12:14 AM
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Thank you, to you as well
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 11:54 AM
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The media is pushing a narrative which only promotes the best interests of society and women while ignoring the best interests of men, that's the reason I care. Marriage and kids benefits society greatly which is why it’s strongly incentivised. Quite frankly society can go fuck itself. If they want marriage and kids to happen and for society to benefit then they either need to reform marriage laws and make family court more equal or they need to incentivize women to become the kind of women that…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 11:11 AM
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Ideally you should be able to do whatever you want but the media often shames men for not being willing to commit and many women demand marriage after a while of dating, especially as they get older. I'm not trying to be rude towards modern women, i won't call them empowered because women can do whatever they want to be empowered which can include being a stay at home mom. Working and having premarital sex doesn't empower a woman just as it doesn't empower a man. I'm eager not to engage in tradi…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 09:08 AM
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I'm 28 but yeah sure the odds of finding a virgin at this age are very low.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 09:05 AM
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Do you give the same advice to short women that want tall men? To broke women that chase rich men? To fat women that want fit men? To the women that won't serve in the military, that won't take up blue collar jobs, won't clean sewers or work in oil rigs but want functional societies? It isn't hypocrisy, it's having standards for your future partner and guess what? Most women have standards for men that they themselves don't fullfill so why can't men?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 09:05 AM
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Even those "traditional marriages" you describe which made sense were often forced onto couples rather than willingly engaged into like we think of today. There were many complications if your husband or wife died, if you were poor then sent to the poorhouse, during war many women were alone for numerous years, many women did have to work and there were many issues with traditional marriages (they didn't work for everyone). Sure some marriages were forced but that's even more of a reason to not …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 07:45 AM
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Based on this statement you would be disqualified by many virgins. Do you not understand many women ) and men who remain virgins are doing so for religious reasons or to find an equally yoked partner (someone that also is a virgin and low n count)? You'd likely need to be religious, willing to attend church, and meet the family/parents requirements. Perhaps or perhaps not. If you actually read up on posts by virgins many of them married non virgin men. I'd be willing to reform myself for a virgi…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 07:43 AM
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I'd like children tbh but i don't wanna raise them in a broken home.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 04:53 AM
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Ideally I'd like children and a stable home with a wife who's only ever been with me and where i provide for all of us. I have no problem with her working but it isn't something i demand of her. Unfortunately we live in an unideal society. If i can't find the kinda woman i wish to marry then I'd probably not have children. I don't want my child to grow up in a broken home.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 03:17 AM
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I purposefully left out the issue of people faking it, which I'm sure happens. People who fake being virgins are engaging in purposeful deceit and fraud. It's like a man hiding his history of abuse from future partners. It's scummy as fuck. A few decades ago people also used to get married before sleeping, and men would provide for women, in my opinion, those are insane requirements for exact same reason why virginity (coupled with beauty) is an insane requirement - because very few people can/w…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 03:06 AM
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Most women were virgins a few decades ago. If the only choice is virgins with insane standards and requirements for men then they aren't worth it. I'd rather just date a woman with a low body count indefinitely. If she wants marriage though? She needs to be a virgin. Also, a lot of those "virgins" may be fake virgins. I've seen it often enough. They'll have oral or anal sex and call themselves virgins just because no dicks been in their pussy. To me those are fake virgins.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 02:38 AM
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You are approaching this as if men and women are equals. That shit is fabricated. If society was setup decently and people weren't desperate for resources, you'd see a lot less young women fucking wrinkly men. On the flipside, take money and resources out of the picture and you'd still see lots of young men wanting to fuck older women because they actually want to. A lot of the women fucking Dicaprio aren't doing it for resources, they aren't homeless or desperate. They're doing it for access to…
/r/MensRights06/09/22 02:34 AM
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Yes i do care and yes it does factor into my decision as to whether or not i pursue an LTR. 99% of men do care although some have forced themselves to live with it
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 02:27 AM
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I have my finances together and would be willing to provide for her if it's a traditional marriage. I would also be willing to wait till marriage before having sex with a virgin, so would a lot of other men that actually desire virgin brides. A lot of your assertions are strawmanning. It's only when a woman isn't a virgin that I'm not really willing to wait for sex. Being a born again virgin or waiting till marriage for sex, when you've already had consensual sex before, does not count. I won't …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 02:22 AM
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I've seen good and bad marriages, but for the large part you are stuck with whoever you marry. You can get a divorce, but that's a very expensive and traumatic experience and it can have a significant financial, psychological and emotional toll. I see marriage as something that's super traditional. It made sense back in the day when men and women had defined roles. She would have his children and manage his home and in return he would provide for her and be there for her, as her rock and emotion…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 01:04 AM
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Exactly, it's a mix of two things that have happened. The first is that women have, rightfully so, raised their standards significantly so that besides mentally ill women, most don't accept shit men anymore, this filters out a lot of bottom tier men. The second is that women have become rather shit in what they have to offer to men so that the top men, the ones that they actually want, don't want them for actual relationships because now these women are below the standards of these top men and t…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/22 10:05 AM
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There's a lot i bring to the table. I'd be okay with a woman that brings less to the table than me if she's a virgin. If she isn't then she better match what i bring to the table if she wants marriage. Just having a pussy isn't gonna cut it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/22 04:00 AM
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If i could go back in time i would have stayed a virgin. I can't change what's happened which is why I'm okay with indefinitely dating a non virgin woman but if it's marriage then i want a virgin bride.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/22 03:34 AM
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There are no absolutes. If i met a woman who was perfect in every way but wasn't a virgin then perhaps I would be willing to marry her but I won't be as happy about it as I would be if i were to marry a virgin. A virgin bride is a standard i set for myself and I'd be settling by marrying her.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/22 03:32 AM
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Then why are marriage rates at an all time low and falling ?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/22 03:12 AM
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Not at all, they aren't mutually exclusive but virgins by choice are more likely to value marriage and yo work hard at them.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/22 03:12 AM
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Yes that is the ideal but I'm perfectly okay with indefinitely dating a non virgin woman. If a woman wishes to marry me then she needs to bring something more to the table which, if she's a good enough partner to date, is her virginity.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/22 03:11 AM
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Women want a tall man because they see tall men as dominant and able to protect them better (which isn't true in a society with a police force and guns) and they want a rich man because they want an easy life and wanna be provided for. Men want virgins because virgins are usually more submissive, loyal and because there's a higher chance that they won't go through paternity fraud. A woman always knows the child is hers, a man does not. If wanting a virgin is viewing women as property then wantin…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/22 03:10 AM
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In that case I'm glad you got out and that you're happier now Good on you for losing weight. That takes a lot of effort. Hopefully you’ll find a partner one day (virgin or no) who convinces you to give marriage a go. Marriage isn’t always easy, but it can be very rewarding. Thank you!
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/22 03:07 AM
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Sure but try telling women that they can't demand a tall rich socially successful man when they're short, broke, nobodies, they'll have the biggest rage fit ever.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/22 02:57 AM
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Sure marriage has a lot of benefits....if lasts. If it doesn't it can seriously fuck up your life in every way. With a 50-50 chance of success or failure, literally a flip of the coin, that's a pretty big gamble to take. I'd rather take such a gamble with a traditional woman who values relationships and marriage than one who bucks tradition in every way but still wants the benefits of marriage. Many non-religious and not super traditional people still get married. Sure but many of their marriage…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/22 01:13 AM
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That isn't my only standard but it's one of them. Someone who saves themselves for marriage (obviously not someone who was forced to do so by a crazy strict family/religious background) is someone who really values marriage and relationships and is a lot more likely to work hard at it and to give it their best before calling it quits. With women initiating 80% of divorces and with the divorce rate being 50% it's just a good hedge for an investment that's as significant as marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/22 01:11 AM
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Its not that i don't buy into the traditional trappings of marriage but i see it as a very high risk endeavour that isn't really worth it for the most part. The only person I'd be willing to take this risk with and to explore the idea of marriage, is with a virgin woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/22 01:06 AM
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Not really. Look at all the practices and rites involved in a marriage, the white gown, walking her down the aisle, those are all tradition. As countries modernize and people shed tradition, marriage too is declining. It's at an all time low in every country in the world. You can state that marriage transcends religion, that is true but marriage is still a very traditional and archaic concept.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/22 01:04 AM
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Sure but many women have their own sets of double standards that they're perfectly fine with Women will often have their own sets of hypocritical double standards like when short women want tall men, when broke or poor women want rich men, when unknown women chase socially successful men, etc. All of these are double standards too but many women have no problem with these double standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/22 01:02 AM
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She'd probably idealize a man who hasn't slept around but may be willing to overlook his promiscuity if he provides in other areas, or she may not. I can't speak to the motivations of female virgins.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/22 01:01 AM
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If he's not a virgin it is hypocrisy and a red flag, I'll give you that. However, while I'm not trying to justify it, a lot of people are hypocrites when it comes to relationships. Women will often have their own sets of hypocritical double standards like when short women want tall men, when broke or poor women want rich men, when unknown women chase socially successful men, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/22 12:59 AM
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You're conflating two different things. Men that are chasing 14 year olds ? Definitely pedos but men that want to seriously be with an adult virgin aren't pedophiles, there's absolutely no correlation. Also it isn't entirely fake science. There is statistical and scientific evidence that shows that virgins are a lot more likely to be attached to their partners and to be better partners than women with high body counts. The only problem is that there hasn't been enough research in this area but t…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/22 12:57 AM
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That would be a significant age gap, which isn’t that encouraging for longevity. It’s interesting, Mormons have something called “young singles wards” where young people go to church with exclusively 18-30 year olds. Once you hit 31, you have to attend a different church building with single 31-45 year olds. Pretty brutal. Hmm that is interesting, I suppose the Mormon Church heavily emphasizes partnering up and relationship building. It may have been better for me had I been Mormon. The trouble …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/22 12:51 AM
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When you become a man who can actually garner the attention of multiple desirable women simultaneously, you quickly learn just how irritating promiscuous women can be and, unless you're dealing with an absolute knockout or just have a fetish, you'll find yourself becoming sick of it mighty fast. This! A lot of men and women will call a person insecure or immature for not wanting a promiscuous woman or for valuing low body counts but when you start to actually get women, particularly if you were …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/22 12:44 AM
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I agree with not being an asshat about it but a lot of people will shame you, attack you and incessantly harass you if you state a preference for virgin women or women with a low body count. It's the one preference that people get mad at you for having even if you're perfectly polite about it and even if you don't slut shame people.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/22 12:41 AM
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I'm 28 so unfortunately no, I'm not of that age. I would have no problem marrying a 19-20 year old woman if she was a virgin but i doubt I'll find such a girl seeing as I'm not a member of the Mormon Church.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/22 05:39 PM
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Sure there's always ways to mitigate the chances of divorce but i don't see why marriage needs to happen to begin with. A girl that hasn't saved herself obviously isn't super traditional or religious so why would she want something as traditional as marriage ? The tax savings aren't worth it when you consider the increased expenses of marriage and family. Especially seeing as husbands usually pay for a larger proportion of household expenses.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/22 05:37 PM
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I would be willing to consider marriage with a virgin woman so saying i don't want to get married isn't entirely accurate. The balance of probabilites does indicate that i probably won't though. Choosing a virgin won't save a person from divorce ofc but neither will choosing a woman who's "been around the block". There is some statistical data that proves that the chances of divorce go up the more partners a woman's had but even if that weren't the case, at least with a virgin it would be a lot …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/22 05:33 PM
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A financial partnership with a 50% failure rate and where the wife divorces the husband 80% of the time. That doesn't really appeal to me. I do well enough financially and have no desire to lose any of my assets or to pay divorce lawyers or alimony. I'm willing to indefinitely date someone who isn't a virgin cause dating isn't a traditional setup and because it's impractical to want a virgin in this day and age but i don't see why i should get into something like marriage with a woman who obviou…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/22 05:19 PM
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I don't really care about the body count of a girl i get with. She can have had 1 or even 10,000 past partners, so long as we get along and she's got no STIs I'm fine with it. However, i would never marry such a woman. We can date indefinitely but we wouldnt get married. Marriage is an archaic and traditional system which was about family, resources and chastity. Modern marriage has become a joke. To get me to make a commitment as large as marriage to you, you'd need to be a virgin, not because …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/22 04:55 PM
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It's fine to not want a virgin and to want a woman with some experience but you make a lot of assumptions and affirmative claims in your post which, quite frankly are ridiculous. Sadly I just am not sociopathic enough to take advantage of them, and they can save that for someone else. This points to a madonna whore complex where you assume all sex is women getting taken advantage of by men. A virgin woman can have a wonderful boyfriend who does not take advantage of her in any way and isn't a so…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/22 04:51 PM
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The way "nice guys" act and the philosophy preached by the red pill aren't the same, the desired outcome may be the same but the approaches are very different. "Nice guys" think niceness is a sexually attractive trait and are confused when women don't respond with sex and relationships. Some even lash out and get bitter that they aren't getting sex and relationships from these women. The red pill however, is about using the tools and psychology of the red pill to get whatever outcome you want. W…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/22 12:55 AM
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It isn't merely about porn addiction. There's a lot of free porn out there. The women that make porn, onlyfans creators are specifically preying on men that feel lonely and depressed. Sure, some of their subs are in relationships but most are lonely single men that can't find anyone and they sell these men the fantasy of a relationship, not just porn. It's why you can dm these girls and ask for custom content as well. That being said yeah porn addiction is a problem and tbh there's no real healt…
/r/MensRights01/09/22 06:20 AM
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While i agree that prostitution and porn should be legal it should also be recognised that some of the women in these professions can be rather predatory, preying on lonely vulnerable men that are desperate for love and a relationship. Prostitution and porn should be limited to certain sections of the internet and they should be allowed to prey on men by, for instance, joining dating apps, leading the man on and then dropping info about their of/hourly rate. That being said I see no reason why w…
/r/MensRights01/09/22 05:30 AM
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I'm sorry but most of what you say is, quite frankly, hogwash. It's a projected fantasy of women's standards and behaviour that doesn't fit with what women actually do in real life. Theres a few of your claims I'd like to address 1) Women's standards have risen significantly, i agree with you on that. They expect a lot more from the men of today than they did from men in the past and men should rise to meet these expectations. That being said the women of today are absolute trash compared to the…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/22 04:02 AM
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Exactly!!! Men without jobs, men without finances, short men, balding men, fat men, feminine men they're all unattractive to women. Similarly women with high body counts and slutty women are unattractive to us men. Women will date short, balding or fat men if it benefits them in some way (usually financial benefits) but aren't genuinely attracted to these men. Similarly men will pump and dump slutty women to get their rocks off without having to work for it but don't want such women for relation…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 04:12 AM
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Yep. The world is full of fair double standards. Women need some emotional connection to have sex which makes their promoscuity that much more unattractive. It indicates she carries baggage and memories she will compare you to whenever she gets upset. It makes her less likely to stick it out when times get tough because hey, a new dick is just a Tinder message away. Exactly! A woman with a high body count is just incredibly unattractive to me and to many other men. That's a perfectly reasonable …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 03:52 AM
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Men not wanting women with high n counts is a standard that they've got. It doesn't matter what the statistics, say, it doesn't matter if they've got low or high n counts themselves, that's the preference of many men while it isn't a standard or a preference for many women. Women have standards and preferences for men that statistics dictate they themselves don't meet. Statistically women make less money than men, are shorter than men, have social capital etc but they want taller, richer and bet…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 11:26 AM
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He's been preying on men making nearly 5 million £ a month selling his bullshit to vulnerable, lonely and depressed men who think his coaching will help them get pussy. He's a predator that targets lonely men, the same as what onlyfans sellers do.
/r/AntiFeminists21/08/22 09:08 AM
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The women who are serious about believing sex is special and intimate and should be shared only with a serious partner do care. I certainly cared a lot, and didn’t date or have sex with any promiscuous men ever. None of my low-n friends dated or married man-sluts either. Well I agree that it's better for men to not be promiscuous either and to instead save themselves for the right woman but women that value sex and believe it's special and intimate aren't really the kind that hyperfocus on the m…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/22 06:34 PM
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Yeah many women think it's perfectly okay to lie and manipulate a man into a relationship because "he shouldn't have such unreasonable standards" and they won't accept that they're shit human beings for doing so. I think it's perfectly reasonable for your spouse to be aware of your sexual past Exactly, it's his right. Even if it wasn't reasonable, even if it's an absolutely insane standard to have, it's still his right to have that standard and make that choice. If the genders were reversed and …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/22 06:28 PM
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Women don't care about male promiscuity as much as men care about female promiscuity. They usually care about other things that they don't provide like finances, social status etc. That being said ofc it's better to focus on self improvement and hold out for a better woman but not to self improve and marry a promiscuous woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/22 01:03 PM
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I don't see why having fun, must involve getting dicked down by multiple strangers. That being said there's two red pill approaches that you're combining into one thing. One rp approach involves finding a ltr/wife material woman which involves filtering out women that have high body counts and a promiscuous past. The other involves making the best of a bad situation and pumping and dumping as many women as you can, rp men do not care about the body counts of these women that they're pumping and …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/22 11:12 AM
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Why marry such a woman then? It seems like a shit deal to me. Why not be just another one of those men that dick her down? If you can't get causal sex from her then just date her indefinitely until something better comes along but why would you wanna marry such a nightmare?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/22 11:06 AM
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I meant to imply the average woman that you'd actually date but okay I'll give it to you that the average woman isn't engaged in sex work. You're wrong about the average woman not being promiscuous though. Most women are rather promiscuous in today's society and the statistics back that up. Fair enough then, there are definitely many men that cannot provide those things in a relationship but that's also true of many women which is why the relationship and marriage rates are falling off a cliff.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/22 08:39 AM
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Men didn't commodify sex. They may be the primary consumers for sex work but that's because it's ridiculously easy for a woman to get sex because men have a higher sex drive but it's a lot harder for most men to get sex. A few elite men and a large number of women took advantage of this and created the sex work industry (with the exception of actual prostitution which has been around forever but was also the result of women commodifying and taking advantage of their pussy) Do you also think sell…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/22 08:37 AM
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Of the 4 billion women in the world a lot of them can be discounted as potential partners due to language barriers, age, etc. Despite that i get your point but I'm not only including onlyfans content creators. I said women that sell their body in general (which is many, many times more than 1 million) and promiscuous women (which is more the norm today than the exception). Apply this same analysis to all your beliefs about women and you will undoubtedly find a similar pattern of skewed perceptio…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/22 06:20 AM
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Yeah male and female loneliness will only increase not decrease unless something changes in a major way.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/22 04:18 AM
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The average woman is more and more off late on onlyfans, engaging in eprostitution or getting pumped and dumped. Selling your body and hookup culture is becoming increasingly common and is being pushed heavily by the media. It's fair enough for women to want more than just sex and money but quite honestly the average man does also provide companionship and a partnership, it's just not as glamorous and amazing as the shit women see on social media and in romantic movies. Also, the average woman d…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/22 04:15 AM
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You're right for the most part. Average men and average women don't bring much into a relationship. The average man used to be able to provide for his family, that was his bargaining chip but with women entering the workforce and wages stagnating but prices rising it isn't that men dont want to but they can't provide for the family anymore. Thus the average man doesn't really have anything to offer women anymore, not even kids because she can just buy sperm and impregnate herself which is why re…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/22 03:26 AM
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That doesn't matter. If you want a SAHW/SAHM you need to provide 100% of the money. You can't want a trad wife but not even be able to provide for the family.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/22 09:22 PM
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Thank you!
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/22 09:21 PM
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Fair enough and yeah you need to find someone who's goals are compatible with your goals, whatever they may be.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/22 05:10 PM
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Since when does living longer equate with happiness? The premise that married men are happier is too simplistic for several reasons 1) 50% of marriages end in divorce, 80% of which are initiated by women and all statistical data proves that divorced men are significantly less happy and worse off, than never married men 2) Married men live longer because they're more likely to take of their health, go to medical appointments etc as a result of being pushed to do so, by their wives. This isn't a m…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/22 04:53 PM
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You see staying at home and raising kids as an unpleasant thing but if your partner didn't feel the same way, if they wanted to stay at home and raise kids, would you stop them? I believe it's very important to find someone who's goals and views are compatible with yours. I don't necessarily believe that staying at home and raising kids is unpleasant but it's not the role i want to have in the marriage, that being said i do want kids so ideally i hope to find someone who does wanna stay at home …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/22 03:27 PM
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That doesn't fit with my standards and what i want in a partner. I'm sure that arrangement may work well for some people but it isn't my preference and i wouldn't be interested in a woman that wants such an arrangement.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/22 03:07 PM
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That makes sense. When you've already got money, your wife working a high powered career job doesn't benefit you in any way. Rather it takes away from your potential family and you're both gonna be tired and stressed from work. The wives of really rich men are usually SAHMs or they run charities and that sort of thing. They almost never work careers.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/22 03:06 PM
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The problem with a lot of men is that they're very irrational about the choices they make. If you want a trad wife who stays at home and raises the kids, that's completely fine but you need to be trad yourself. You need to cover all the expenses and make enough money and not complain when you have to pay for everything. On the other hand if you want a career driven working woman who brings home about as much money as you do, realize that your family will take a backseat because she isn't superhu…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/22 12:52 PM
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It's getting to the point where men need video evidence of consent before each sexual encounter.
/r/AntiFeminists14/08/22 06:19 AM
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God she sounds like an absolute nightmare. Not only does she think women are blameless victims that are incapable of fabricating stories despite what the statistical evidence says, but she would even cost her husband his job if he wasn't supporting her worthless ass and her entire family as well. I hope he finds this reddit post and kicks her to the curb.
/r/AntiFeminists14/08/22 04:50 AM
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Bahahaha if you're the kinda woman I'm looking for and if I'm the kinda man you want then sure let's fuck around and get married and deal with the consequences, whatever they may be.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/22 06:05 AM
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She's rating you as someone that's unattractive. If she would prefer to get with a much more attractive man, but is settling because she can't get commitment from that man, then she isn't the sort of woman i want anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/22 12:35 AM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/ot4qzd/what_the_okcupid_data_really_says/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share Women aren't really taking more into consideration. They're just ignoring all communication from men that they see as less attractive while all men and the uglier women take all the effort and even then the ugly women are messaging average and above men. Why do men complain that women wont give them a chance, but when they actually do they're offended? Maybe cause …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/22 08:52 PM
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Not really! There's no reason to believe men's profiles are less complete than that of women or that women are more likely to judge other facts than are men. In fact, a poster on reddit interpreted the data better and found this https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/ot4qzd/what_the_okcupid_data_really_says/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share Women are even more hypergamous than previously believed with the attractive and average women not only not messaging anyone but rejecting…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/22 08:38 PM
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Yeah i dont think me or women should accept being settled for. If the other person doesn't genuinely desire you, it isn't worth it. That's the whole reason I'd never beta bucks because who wants to be the love of their lives; second choice?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/22 07:53 PM
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I'd rather be single than have a woman settle for me tbh. If she doesn't see me as a prize and as someone she genuinely wants to be with she doesn't deserve me.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/22 07:40 PM
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LMAO
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/22 07:39 PM
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So she thinks you're ugly but will entertain your messages because she can't get any better. That doesn't really help, if anything that's a lot worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/22 07:26 PM
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Those are also the standards of most modern men. They ask themselves would I be happier married with this person in my life than without? A common complaint of many modern women is that men just wanna fuck them but won't committ to them or they get mad that men don't spend their finances on them or buy them the things they want or that men won't waste their time doing the things she likes, but what if he isn't happy? What if you're good enough to fuck but you don't make him happy? What if he'd r…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/22 07:08 AM
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Haha thanks xx. I wanted to include floozy as well but unfortunately that just means a woman with loose morals, not one who plays for pay.
/r/MensRights12/08/22 02:36 AM
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"onlyfans model" please label them what they are, prostitutes/hookers/tarts/women of the night.
/r/MensRights12/08/22 12:22 AM
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They do but the tradeoff, a promiscuous wife who's had her fun and has chosen you to settle with and with a 50% chance of divorce (80% of the time initiated by her) it isn't worth it anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/22 05:17 PM
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Men like to provide for women but while men will date women that make less, the same or more than them; women overwhelmingly pick men that make more money with the average being 60% more more than their income. Men prefer women that are shorter than them but most women of today have arbitrary height requirements. They latch onto numbers like 6' or in the cases of some, frankly insane women even 6'6-6'8 while they themselves are 5' tall. That's not a normal height requirement, it's a fetishizatio…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/22 03:24 PM
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Same! I can't talk about men's rights activism or male issues irl, I'll get labelled as a misogynist or an incel and publicly shamed.
/r/MensRights10/08/22 03:39 AM
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Yes of course! I hate deception. I make it very clear to any woman i get with that this won't lead anywhere and will absolutely not result in a ltr or marriage. If they're okay with that, then and only then do I get with them. I don't tell them that they're not relationship material ofc because they probably are to someone, just not to me but i don't lie about my intentions.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/22 03:01 AM
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You're welcome and yeah unfortunately most people today tend to have emotional outbursts rather than engage in logical and meaningful conversation with someone that has opposing views.
/r/MensRights10/08/22 03:00 AM
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Yeah i agree with you on that. It's hypocrisy and displays insecurity and being disgusted by someone's sexual past is stupid anyway. You can state that they aren't right for you, that's acceptable. You cannot however hate on them for their personal sexual choices.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/22 02:59 AM
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Gay men possibly fetishize straight men but the topic of conversation was about straight women trying to take over gay spaces. You're engaging in classic whataboutism. I don't need to be told that straight women are solipsistic just like women don't need to be told that straight men sexualize women. Ive never told a single woman that a patriarchy exists and I'm sure that's the case for most men but as a man I am, by default, assumed to be a part of such a patriarchy. Is it really appreciating ga…
/r/MensRights10/08/22 02:57 AM
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Yeah you didn't deserve the attack on you or the vitrol. Unfortunately some people have more time than they've got good sense.
/r/MensRights10/08/22 02:44 AM
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Tbh? Yes it does. He's giving her something she doesn't have, access to wealth and resources that she doesn't bring to the relationship. If he in turn demands something he doesn't supply, aka virginity, that's a reasonable trade off and is a reasonable standard to have.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/22 02:41 AM
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A lot of men and women misuse and misunderstand the meaning of the word, misogyny. A misogynist is someone who hates women, all women, for the sheer fact that they're women. Many people misuse the world misogyny to shield individual women from criticism or to dodge responsibility for their actions. You disagree with something one individual woman did ? You must be a misogynist! /s Honestly the word has lot all meaning given how frequently it's abused. You're also right in that women will often h…
/r/MensRights10/08/22 02:38 AM
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A n-count of 4 is practically conservative by today's standards. While I disagree that wanting a virgin is about being insecure, there can be a myriad of reasons why you'd want a virgin including it just being a preference and being insecure may or may not be one of those reasons. In his case however, it's really odd and hypocritical to demand a virgin when you, yourself, aren't one.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/22 02:32 AM
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It depends though, doesn't it ? There's many women who don't meet my standards for a serious relationship but they're good enough to fuck or have a short term thing with.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/22 02:30 AM
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100% this! If she doesn't meet your standards you're allowed to disqualify her for relationships. It doesn't matter if society shames you or finds your standards to be ridiculous, society can go fuck itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/22 01:09 AM
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I agree that someone with a promiscuous past themselves shouldn't want a virgin because that's bare hypocrisy but to put it into context, it's like how poor women want rich men or short women want tall men or unpopular women salivate over famous men. They don't themselves meet the standards that they want in their partner but they're driven to pursue such partners anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/22 01:07 AM
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I wish women would stop pursuing marriages and commitment the . If it's so much more beneficial to men then don't get married ? I'm down to have a rotating harem of fwbs and being left alone to do the shit i enjoy.
/r/AntiFeminists09/08/22 07:03 PM
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https://menarehuman.com/shelters-for-men-needed/ https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/domestic-violence-male-victims-shelters-government-funding-stigma-a7626741.html Men are 50% of the victims of domestic abuse. Yet there's little to no male shelters and the only homeless shelters that accept men are unisex while women get their own shelters. Men make up 3/4ths of all homeless people and 1/2 domestic violence victims but have little to no male only shelters and few unisex shelters that cater to …
/r/MensRights09/08/22 05:39 PM
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No there aren't lmao. Most country and golf clubs that were male only have been sued or shamed into accepting women. All male only spaces have had women force their way into the. There is a market for male only gyms and clubs but women have forced their way into them. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1381844/Historic-male-St-Andrews-Golf-Club-forced-admit-women.html https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/may/23/women-only-gyms-muirfield-men-male-privilege https://www.independent.…
/r/MensRights09/08/22 05:36 PM
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And this despite men making up 50% of the victims of domestic violence and 75% of the homeless and being the majority tax payers. Women get all the resources while the government fucking hates men. Men should just barge into women's shelters. If the government wants them out they need to make male shelters.
/r/MensRights09/08/22 04:10 PM
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https://abcnews.go.com/Lifestyle/wireStory/mormons-pulling-400000-youths-struggling-boy-scouts-67781879 The boy scouts of America started to struggle when it opened its doors to women. The Mormon Church, one of its largest funders emphasizes a strict seperation of the sexes. Even if women hadn't triggered the collapse of the boy scouts, why did they sue to join the organisation to begin with? There's a girls scouts so why do they have to horn their way into every male organization?
/r/MensRights09/08/22 12:39 PM
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Are you still struggling to understand my original argument?
/r/MensRights09/08/22 11:32 AM
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You're still rolling with that strawman fallacy. Women initiate 80% of all divorces so they clearly aren't trapped. I could flip your statement and say that women have babies to trap men into relationships and marriage.
/r/MensRights09/08/22 11:25 AM
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You know, that's a good question. I don't know really because I only have this one reality here. I think the stuff they were doing was unsustainable for long term and I don't think you could really live a stable life without a significant period of time in one place. So really I'd say no I wouldn't want to do it. And if I did, I'm sure I'd be more than welcome to get a better paying job or work two jobs so that it could happen. My thinking has always been that if something is a priority to me, I…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 11:19 AM
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I don't need sex ASAP for validation but i don't need to be made to wait when that standard wasn't applied to her past partners. I seek consistency.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 11:15 AM
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No one said it's revenge and I've already conceded that it isn't all women but what you're doing is engaging in the strawman fallacy. Rather than address my original statement which is that women seek to take over male only spaces while wanting to retain their own female only spaces, you're turning this into some sort of attack on all women.
/r/MensRights09/08/22 11:14 AM
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Okay then why do female only gyms, clubs, bars, restaurants, forums, etc exist ? Shut them all down and I'll be okay with all male spaces becoming unisex.
/r/MensRights09/08/22 10:57 AM
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Ask women to name 10 million examples of men perpetuating domestic violence against them, of men denying them rights, of men raping them, of men holding back their career advancements. The entire feminist movement is based off taking what a tiny minority of elite men did and projecting that onto all men. Their so called patriarchy is fictitious but women blame all men for it anyway.
/r/MensRights09/08/22 10:56 AM
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I agree with you that it can be incredibly hard to get sex when you're in the bottom % of men. That you'll have to make do with women that are far beneath you and despite being fat and ugly are entitled as hell, you may even have to offer them a relationship to be able to fuck them. However, in the past you could only have sex with one woman, your wife. Even as a below average man you'd only get a woman on your level or below who you're stuck with for the rest of your life. Even back then women …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 10:53 AM
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Ah yes you haven't had a bad experience with women invading your spaces so clearly that must apply to 100% of men. Using that same logic why do women need women only spaces ? Women only gyms, clubs and even women only pubs and parties ? Surely not all women get hit on by men at regular gyms/clubs/parties which thus invalidates the experiences of all women that are hit on.
/r/MensRights09/08/22 10:48 AM
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Yeah sure I'll concede that not all women are obsessed with invading male spaces but most of them are. Hell, a large part of the entire feminist movement was not about creating their own spaces but pushing their way into spaces created by men. They will cry and whine and sue their way into male spaces and then create their own female spaces anyway where they won't allow men. There's countless examples of this
/r/MensRights09/08/22 10:45 AM
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Honestly ? I wouldn't call myself above average or an Adonis but it really isn't difficult to get sex and i dont mean with pros. You can find women at your local pub, at the clubs, on tinder/bumble etc and many of them are dtf. Some want relationships but that's fine too. Date them and get sex but never marry them or commit to anything long term.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 07:27 AM
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I don't know what the situation in Nigeria is like but here men aren't allowed into women only spaces. You will actively be escorted out, have the cops called on you etc. It isn't other men shaming you. There's a gym near my home I'd love to go to. It's convenient and cheap but it's women only. We aren't talking about cultural barriers or taboos but rather actual restrictions on men accessing feminine spaces. Restrictions that women don't respect when the genders are reversed and they invade mal…
/r/MensRights09/08/22 07:25 AM
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Average women are the worst people to deal with when you've got any semblance of standards, as a man. They will incessantly attack and shame you and have overinflated egos.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 05:24 AM
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Exactly! Women have forced their way into male only spaces because they cannot phatom the fact that there's a place where men aren't pursuing them/ lavishing them with attention and praise. They then create their women only spaces to "get a break from male attention and from men pursuing them". I'm all for female only spaces if women want those but I'd also like some male only spaces. A lot of male spaces go to shit when women are allowed in. Clubs (not the kind where you dance to shitty repetit…
/r/MensRights09/08/22 04:41 AM
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It depends on what she's looking for tbh. Having a vagina is enough of a qualifier for her to get sex and even relationships (although the relationships will be with the worst of men, men that no one would date given a choice). If she wants a quality man for a relationship then she needs to bring more to the table and must be somewhat attractive, reasonably intelligent, have morals and have a pleasant personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 04:37 AM
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Yeah exactly! Finding a woman for sex is easier than ever before. Finding a wife is nearly impossible
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 04:00 AM
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It goes beyond subreddit's and internet spaces. There's women only clubs, cafes, gyms, clinics and so on but they won't even let men have something like the boy scouts. Women are obsessed with imposing themselves on men. Even when the mgtow movement started to grow women would incessantly criticize it but wgtow is lauded.
/r/MensRights09/08/22 02:38 AM
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If your husband hadn't busted his bank account travelling with his ex or if he could offer both financial stability and travel, wouldn't you rather travel with him? People do learn from their mistakes but that doesn't change the fact that any man that's made to wait, when her past partners weren't, will feel emasculated and ugly as compared to those past partners. They got the wild uninhibited version of her without needing to offer anything in return while her current man must offer financial s…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 02:22 AM
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People can change ofc but that doesn't negate the fact that a current partner that was made to wait for sex is gonna feel a lot less attractive, masculine and validated if he learns that she jumped into having sex right away with men in the past. He's gonna feel like the safe bet or the beta bux provider rather than the man she's genuinely attracted to. It's also rather deceptive of a woman to do this because she's signalling that she's sexually conservative even though that's not the truth. Mos…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 01:14 AM
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I'd honestly argue that the bar is on the floor for women, not for men. Men need to work hard, establish themselves and do the leg work building attraction, rapport, giving her a sense of safety and comfort or they need to be genetically blessed and/or famous. Even if they get the woman they need to keep the relationship fun and exciting and while doing a lot of boring shit they don't actually care about just to make her happy. Women need to have a vagina. That's about it. When women talk about …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 12:51 AM
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No, not necessarily jail time. Just a solution where the victim isn't left out in the cold while the adulterer gets absolutely no punishment of any sort. In fault based divorce states there is some recompense available to the victim. The problem is no fault divorces.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/22 12:14 PM
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I agree, people should also encourage men to not get married!! The cons for men are You're stuck with one woman who gives you starfish sex at best, think of all the prime pussy out there You cant fuck Stacy You'll work harder and waste your resource on women while you can live comfortably on very little as a man More time to do things you actually like instead of listening to your wife whine and prattle on about something you don't care about Women want you to provide for them and protect them, …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/22 11:53 AM
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I think it's a tad late for you to take the high ground considering you've been attacking me and calling me names for my perfectly legitimate standards. You're already down here in the mud. I'm happy for you though for having the things you want, I wonder why you'd deny that same thing to others by trying to shame them into getting with someone who wouldn't make them happy.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/22 04:37 PM
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Thanks OP, any time someone says men don't experience domestic violence or that people care about domestic violence against men I'll link them to that thread.
/r/MensRights06/08/22 05:57 AM
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Same here. I find your entitlement and narcissistic solipsism to be funny asf
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/22 04:49 AM
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My standards aren't shitty, you're merely entitled af. They're not out of 1922. I never said she has to cook, clean and raise the kids and cannot leave the house without my permission. My standards are that she's sweet and feminine, values sex and relationships, does not have tattoos or piercings and does not do sex work. Those are entirely reasonable standards for someone you're getting married to and potentially building a future with. Nothing about what I've said is superficial or elitist. No…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/22 11:01 PM
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They may as well be incels because like incels that can't fuck the women they want, these women can't get a relationship from the man they want.
/r/AntiFeminists05/08/22 10:52 PM
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We should hold men to the same standard. 100%! I'm not in favour of men throwing their love and sex away on random women either. It also damages men and affects their ability to love, trust and form relationships. Im not a fan of hookup culture and of how easily people call off relationships now. I think it's damaged men and women and our relationships
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/22 04:55 AM
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The number of heartbreaks do make a difference, I won't deny that. You lose your ability to fully trust someone, to rely on them, to be vulnerable and love them with all your heart, especially if you were the one broken up with, cheated on etc. That being said if you do a lot of casual relationships that speaks to other problems like a low sense of self worth, that you don't value love and sex the same way and it greatly increases the risk of STIs.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/22 03:58 AM
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Maybe you will think otherwise if everyone finds it offensive that you find interesting For me to be interested in them (for the long term) they'd be someone that meets these criteria and they aren't likely to find it offensive. (It's not like I talk about these criteria irl, I just mentally filter people out). Even if they were to find it offensive and I didn't get anyone to marry, I'd just forgo marriage and date women instead. People are no less lovable when they have art placed on their skin…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/22 08:03 PM
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It isn't old fashioned elitist crap, it's having standards and any woman that does not meet my standards or does not approve of them is free to not pursue a relationship with me. I don't see why I should drop my standards because someone may find it offensive.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/22 01:54 PM
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Female incels getting increasingly tech savvy.
/r/AntiFeminists04/08/22 01:15 PM
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Are you rich I wouldn't call myself rich but I have established myself and I've acquired an asset base that I don't wish to risk in the case of divorce. Why couldn't you trust her if she fullfills your high standards? Marrying her shows that I do trust her. A prenup is just insurance in case something goes wrong. I trust my driving skills and the people who make my car but I still buy car insurance, just in case. The idea of prenups turns me off, not you? Not really because I look at it as an in…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/22 01:13 PM
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I'm willing to get married if she fits my admittedly high standards. Someone that values sex and relationships, that takes good care of herself, is feminine and sweet and has no tattoos or piercings. She definitely cannot now nor have ever belonged to the streets or done any kind of sex work and our long term goals must align. I'd still get a prenup but I'd be willing to marry such a woman. Should I not find someone like that I'll just date but never marry
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/22 12:42 PM
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Honestly the three primary ways women commit infidelity is with a friend, with someone they net at work and with people they met on social media apps. Don't allow your woman to have a public ig either and tbh, if you can provide, don't wed someone that wants to work.
/r/MensRights04/08/22 12:35 PM
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The guys a fucking retard. How are people this stupid even allowed to exist ? Who cares about how large the settlement would be ? Divorce her ass and be thankful that you haven't wasted longer than a year and the half. How do you get so attached to someone you're okay with infidelity? The man sounds like someone who's never had a girlfriend and has no relationship experience.
/r/MensRights04/08/22 05:31 AM
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When a prostitute leaves at the end of the night she doesn't leave with half of everything you own and doesn't deny you access to your own children.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/22 05:04 AM
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Yeah you make a good point. It's unfair to generalize all women. Some are very respectful and reasonable while others, as you've said are thoughtless, narcissistic thots.
/r/MensRights04/08/22 04:30 AM
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They have extreme hypocrisy and entitlement
/r/MensRights03/08/22 07:21 PM
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Oh absolutely. I've never tried to get with a lesbian and turn her straight (I know some men do but it's shitty). Gay men should be afforded the same respect. It's not a choice they're making. Women who try this are sexual predators.
/r/MensRights03/08/22 07:21 PM
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You're also an ally of men in general, you're more of the exception than the rule.
/r/MensRights03/08/22 12:36 PM
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Very very true. Even the feminists that scream about toxic masculinity, still want masculine men. They're attracted to dominance and to stoicism. I've made the mistake of opening up about my emotions to women in the past and their attraction instantly vanishes. It's like they go from seeing me as a potential partner to seeing me as undatable. The straight men that are more feminine are lied to, by the media, by women, by their own mothers. They think there's something wrong with them instead of …
/r/MensRights03/08/22 12:12 PM
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A lot of straight women fetishize gay men, in a very selfish, the world revolves around me kind of way. They want gay besties, they want access to gay spaces, they copy gay fashion and they sometimes even think they can convert gay men. Yet they'll have a tantrum if men invade any of their spaces or if men project their wants onto women. It's gotten to the point where some places actually have female and general bathrooms instead of male and female ones. Why not leave the male bathroom and turn …
/r/MensRights03/08/22 08:11 AM
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It doesn't really matter who created marriage. It served a purpose when men and women had defined roles. Men gave up their evolutionary drive to procreate and provided and protected for their woman and for their offspring and women settled with perhaps not the best man she can get and raised their family and provided for his emotional needs. It may have been an artificial monogamy but it helped bind society and push it forward while helping mankind progress. Marriage today is absolutely worthles…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/22 09:13 PM
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You mean some men. The men that whine about not getting women or about how the laws should be changed need to focus on changing themselves. My approach is that women should do whatever the fuck it is, that they wish to do, but my association with them will depend on their decisions. If they make choices that I don't value or that I see as repugnant, I won't form any long term associations with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/22 08:54 PM
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https://www.huffpost.com/entry/more-sexual-partners-unhappy-marriage_n_5698440
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/22 08:52 PM
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Condescension aside, you're right that mammals are rarely ever monogamous but, from an evolutionary standpoint, monogamy makes even less sense for a male mammal than it does for a female because the male biological prerogative is to spread his seed while women try to secure the best genetic material and must provide and protect for their offspring. Which is why women push for marriage and which is why, in light of the rarity of true monogamy and pair bonding and our biological imperitives, men s…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/22 08:51 PM
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why would women date men since this is how men openly talk about women for the last 4 decades? Women are free to not date men but they're the ones that always want relationships and monogamy.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/22 08:49 PM
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https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2018/10/sexual-partners-and-marital-happiness/573493/ https://www.huffpost.com/entry/more-sexual-partners-unhappy-marriage_n_5698440 They did a new study that proves that the number of premarital sexual partners does affect marital happiness and satisfaction rates so it isn't just religion that's preventing the divorces.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/22 08:47 PM
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All the evidence does not disprove pair bonding, rather is supports it. Yes women have an abundance mindset but that doesnt preclude the fact that they pair bond with their first few partners and subsequently lose that ability as the acquire more bodies. Either way why would anyone date a woman who's approach to relationships is that dick is cheap and I can always just get another one, pump and dump material only.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/22 05:31 PM
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If you want a tall man, you should be tall yourself. If you want a rich man you should be rich yourself If you want a man with high social status, you should have high status yourself. Oh wait, the similar values thing only applies to men's desires.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/22 11:50 AM
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Fair enough, some men have standards and some don't and that speaks more about how much they value themselves than anything else.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/22 11:49 AM
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10 million dollars worth of hookers and blow.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/22 01:43 AM
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Misandry is incredibly common. Misandrist language, jokes, memes etc. Share a misogynist meme tho and half your social media followers have a meltdown. There's nothing you can do to stop memes like this, not unless we have a social revolution against misandry. It's a great screening process though. When a woman starts sharing shit like this I mentally blacklist her. I will no longer attempt to date her, be her friend or work with her.
/r/AntiFeminists29/07/22 01:40 AM
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That whole blackpill narrative is a bit ridiculous anyway. Chad's are fucking a lot of women but even they can't fuck all wome. The top 10% of men can't fuck the entire 100% of women. What's happened is that women's standards have risen considerably and they either want men that are far out of their league or they want men that will cater to their every need. Meanwhile, many men aren't interested in putting in that much effort and have given up on trying for love and sex. They invest minimal to …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/22 12:00 PM
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A lot of men waste valuable time, productivity and resources chasing women that would then be redirected towards more productive goals. Women don't chase men or waste resources on them.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/22 06:35 AM
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Men still gatekeep a lot of those jobs. Many of these jobs are 99-100% male. The companies are eager to hire women. It's 10x easier to get hired as a woman in these jobs than as a man. Men do all the difficult jobs, but the men on those jobs also complain like mad if a women joins that job, because "women can't handle it and i need to pick up her slack". Which isn't a fun environment to work in and you typically spend 40hours on your job, every week. If women genuinely can't handle their share t…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/22 06:34 AM
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Yes exactly!!!! Women and men have the right to do whatever they want but they do not have freedom from the consequences of those actions. A lot of women want to be able to do whatever they want but suffer no consequences but life doesn't work that way. Just like a man that wastes his life on drugs, makes no money, doesn't take care of himself etc will struggle in the dating market, so will a woman who throws her best years away taking strange dick from men for whom she's nothing but a talking f…
/r/AntiFeminists28/07/22 06:29 AM
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You're using anecdotal evidence while I'm talking about statistical evidence from very large population sets. If we're using anecdotal evidence or one offs then I'm sure that even in the education example there's women that perform worse in unigender schools and boys that perform better.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/22 06:27 AM
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I’ve seen how my attractive male friends react when an ugly woman approaches them. The jokes the heckling it’s pretty messed up. Yeah exactly! Pretty privilege exists because human beings are dicks that think with their genitalia. It isn't gender specific.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/22 04:31 AM
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What you're talking about, OP, is pretty privilege and it applies to both genders. Ugly women aren't treated all that nice either. People mock them, belittle them, men make jokes about their friends fucking them to be met with gagging reactions, they're called pigs and the like etc. You can argue that ugly men have it worse and I'll give that to you in terms of societal treatment and ugly women have an easier time getting casual sex or commitment from desperate men but that's where it stops. Ugl…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/22 03:37 AM
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It isn't reasonable to extrapolate from a single very specific kind of instance. Men do all the difficult jobs in society that keep it running, handle 99% of blue collar jobs and are responsible for the vast majority of scientific and technological inventions (I'm not just talking about the past when women weren't educated or allowed to compete but even in the present day). Additionally women also tend to gravitate towards admin, hr and other human oriented jobs and underperform and are usually …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/22 03:34 AM
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Women are welcome to their hoe phase, they're welcome to doing whatever it is they want. They should just know that this makes them incredibly low value in the eyes of men and that the only thing we'll ever give them is dick (after an STI test) no relationships and no ring because men are allowed to have standards too and these women are losers.
/r/AntiFeminists28/07/22 03:29 AM
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I don't think the mother of the child should be left with the responsibility of raising that child all by herself without financial aid. However, until the child support system is overhauled and fixed where the government does not get a fraction of all cs payments, where the support receiver isn't allowed to spend it on themselves but must show receipts that prove all the money goes towards the child and until child support is set at reasonable levels and men aren't imprisoned for a genuine lack…
/r/MensRights27/07/22 06:06 PM
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I'm in favour of removing child support all together with the exception being those cases where the mother of the child was married to the baby daddy and the child was conceived within that marriage.
/r/MensRights27/07/22 11:59 AM
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The thing about musk is that he no longer gets married, he's learnt his lesson. He has a harem of girlfriends who he fucks and has illegitimate children with. Yeah some men may have to beta buxx if they want women but there's absolutely no reason for such men to get married, especially when marriage and divorce heavily favour women and if you're financially well off you stand to lose a lot more. Just make money and get a harem of women like musk does.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 03:12 PM
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He can definitely prove both of those. He can also sue for emotional trauma.
/r/MensRights21/07/22 05:52 PM
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Yeah but I'm sure he could win. It was a huge mistake on the part of the cops and his girlfriend knew it was the wrong charge and went ahead and slandered him anyway. Strong case for a lawsuit. Yes people will demonize him but nice somewhere else and say fuck you to those people. Killing yourself just gives them what they want.
/r/MensRights21/07/22 05:12 PM
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I wish he had sued the police department and his girlfriend for emotional trauma, libel and defamation instead of killing himself. He could have used the funds to move and start a new life. Instead the dumbass cops and his evil pos girlfriend get away with that shit with no punishment.
/r/MensRights21/07/22 12:42 PM
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You fit in anywhere you want my dude. As long as you recognise the travesty that is modern feminism, the inherent hypocricy of many (not all) feminists and the damage it's doing to society, you're one of us. Idc if you're a man, a woman, trans or a sentient gerbil.
/r/AntiFeminists18/07/22 12:44 PM
1

No i would not. I do want someone that i find attractive but even if you add that to my list of standards, they're still very reasonable standards. What i don't understand is why women don't get shamed, even for bizzare standards like wanting a 6'7 man with a 7 figure income and a 9 inch dick but men will get shamed for reasonable standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 10:42 AM
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I really felt this Yeah it's so shit that were told what our standards should be and are shamed when we decide it for ourselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 09:07 PM
1

myself beging an ateist/agnistic would have no problem having a religious marrige to apease a partner but everytime i read about this it make me understand how getting married by law is not anywere near my interest and future safety This may be the smartest approach tbh. Since women say they want weddings, give them a religious wedding but sign no papers and do not make it official in front of the government. (Obviously don't do this sneakily and let her know your intentions). If she refuses and…
/r/MensRights15/07/22 04:47 AM
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The whole problem is I want to set standards for myself but i get criticized for it. I see the other men around me getting criticized for their standards as well. Mass social shaming and pressure to lower our standards and to settle for women that we don't want. I don't see it happening the other way though. I don't see women being forced to lower their standards or being criticized for it. Sure, I can ignore the people that criticize my standards and I do but most men fold to the intense social…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 04:39 AM
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My original comment was a joke but i honesty do not need the validation/approval or ego boost from a group of people that I'm not even attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 06:55 PM
2

Not all men lack standards, it's just too many that do.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 06:53 PM
2

I'm straight bro
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 03:12 PM
4

I mean politicians in general, sorry for not clarifying.
/r/MensRights14/07/22 08:51 AM
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So I can be rejected by two genders ? No thanks
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 04:06 AM
6

With pandering to women and billionaires. Fuck I hate our leaders
/r/MensRights14/07/22 03:45 AM
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Where is the bill that makes child support an optional thing ? Why do we keep voting in politicians that pander to women while screwing us over ?
/r/MensRights14/07/22 01:20 AM
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He set his boundaries, she violated them. He can be more sympathetic and be there for her as a friend but he does not have to take her back.
/r/AntiFeminists13/07/22 12:15 PM
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The comment section of the original post gives me hope. Most people recognise it as both sexual assault and regular assault.
/r/AntiFeminists13/07/22 12:09 PM
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Not all male problems but a significant number of them are caused by patriarchy, I'll give you that, that's not the crux of our problem. The crux of our problem is that patriarchy gave men certain hardships and responsibilities but in return it also gave us certain rewards, the control of society, of the government, family units in which our wives would obey us and would bear our children and keep the family together and laws that catered to male needs while protecting women. Our problem, is tha…
/r/MensRights13/07/22 09:05 AM
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I'm not sure why small age gap relationships are statistically more likely to succeed than larger age gap relationships, perhaps it's because of shared experiences or because many large age gap relationships are transactional. However, age gaps aren't the only metric that predict relationship success. There are many other metrics that people completely ignore because those metrics aren't convenient to their lifestyles or don't suit their systems of belief so if you're in an age gap relationship,…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 01:02 AM
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It doesn't matter if you regret it after the fact, she still raped him. She's still a rapist and a piece of shit. She doesn't even seem to regret it all that much, especially not from her excuses in the comments section.
/r/MensRights11/07/22 04:50 AM
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In the extended version, he kills himself.
/r/AntiFeminists09/07/22 09:44 AM
1

There's a difference between excercise clothing and the attire some women wear which is obviously aimed at getting male attention. Excercise attire should be comfortable and cooling, not something that you gotta adjust every two minutes and you're barely working out. I can be myself around a woman but many men cannot. Your justifications don't really make sense and your boyfriend is what's called an anecdotal example. No one said anything about not having female friends but sometimes men want ma…
/r/MensRights09/07/22 08:48 AM
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Unfortunately I know of cases like this too. Some women treat cs like a business.
/r/MensRights08/07/22 05:30 PM
7

Honestly? It isn't just about comfort. We just want some male only spaces to unwind and relax and it's as much about the behaviour of other men as it is about women. In all spaces with women, some men start to simp, peacock or show off and this doesn't happen in male spaces. It's only in male spaces that men can authentically be themselves. What can I do as a girl to make you feel comfortable, except being nice? I don't think you need to do anything, just be yourself. Not wearing super revealing…
/r/MensRights08/07/22 05:28 PM
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A lot of the Google links that explain the red pill are biased asf against it and won't give you an accurate picture of it. There is extreme bias against any movement that doesn't placate or worship women. Have exactly the day you deserve. I deserve a wonderful day and so do you, so let's both have excellent days :)
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 07:05 AM
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He isn't abusive, he's a cheater. I don't respect him and I'm not close friends with him but he's got a reputation as a cheater but women still get with him thinking it'll be different with them, that's the fault of those women. I don't see why i need to sever ties with him over this?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 04:47 AM
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If you experience with the opposite gender is 100% negative, chances are really high that it's a "you" issue, not the all women/men's problem. Exactly!! These people blame the entire other gender but it's their fault for attracting/choosing shitty partners. I agree with certain criticisms, I've got certain criticisms for womens behaviours and I'm sure women have those for men but hating all people of the opposite gender or blaming them for your bad choices, is just trash behaviour.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 04:45 AM
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That 1/4 statistic has been proven false. It's more like 1/12. Anyway rape is a horrible thing but it's the fault of rapists, not men. Men that don't rape have nothing to do with men that rape. Women taking it out on all men does nothing but alienate even good men.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 04:43 AM
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Fair enough, some men do. Most men don't. Women are more likely to exhibit incel behaviour and blame all men for their own choices but men are less likely to do this.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 04:42 AM
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I'm not limiting things to the men on this sub. I'm talking about men and women on a much larger scale.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 04:41 AM
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By being careful and selective and evaluating the men you get with. Some men show their true colours after you get into a relationship with them but most aren't master manipulators and show red flags right away which women ignore or will have a reputation for being shitty but women, in their arrogance, always think they can change a man. Ive got a friend that's a walking red flagpole. His girlfriend is ignoring all the red flags. If their relationship ends or has problems in the future, she only…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 04:40 AM
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Both of these groups need to take time and heal. I agree with this. It's incels and femcels hating on the other side because of a few bad experiences.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 04:37 AM
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You're confusing the actions of incels and some bitter manosphere men with all men. Most men wont hate all women because of their past experiences. Many women however, will outright blame all men.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 04:36 AM
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Yeah I agree ? I never said I'm defending the manosphere. I think the red pill has some nuggets of wisdom and truth to it but a large part of it is also woman hating and bitterness. Take the good and leave the shit behind. I agree with mgtow in principle because marriage and relationships aren't worth it anymore. Not with most partners anyway but that goes for both genders. I'd also support wgtow. I don't agree with the misogynist and bitter aspects of mgtow or the misandrist and bitter aspects …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 04:35 AM
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You can blame the culture but not all men. Even if 99% of men do it, that isn't the fault of the remaining 1% of men. You don't see men blaming all women for the shitty behaviour of multiple women (who also lie, harass, assault and manipulate men).
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 04:32 AM
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Fair enough but that works with both genders. A lot of women see unattractive/poor men as asexual beings that may as well not exist while having no standards or rules for attractive/successful men.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 04:31 AM
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You do realize that shitty men and shitty women both exist and that the good people of either gender have no control over the shitty ones, yeah? Shitty people of either gender will never go away but only women blame all men for their own stupid relationship choices, choices where they've got all the power because women do have a lot more options than men. What if men started holding all women accountable for the actions of a few women? For instance, with women initiating 70-80% of divorces, why …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 04:30 AM
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Don't put up with shitty behaviour from whoever you're with, it doesn't matter if it's the man or the woman and don't invest more into the relationships than they do. It isn't about wifey or husbando behaviour. If she invests little into the relationship then you're also not required to invest into it and she isn't obligated to cook, clean or nurture and you're not obligated to provide for her or protect her. If you're looking for someone that will cook/clean and nurture, that's ok but then make…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 04:26 AM
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Poc? Person of color?? Wtf 😂
/r/AntiFeminists08/07/22 04:11 AM
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Yeah but is it reasonable to blame all men for the shitty men you chose or the shitty men you interact with? I've had some horrible experiences with my ex girlfriends and other women but i don't hate all women or blame all women for my shitty choices.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 04:10 AM
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Learn from your experiences or don't and make all the mistakes you want, just don't shit on all men because you chose some bad ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 04:08 AM
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I said many women, not all.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 04:07 AM
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Says the man with severe PTSD and anger issues. Idrc if you respond or not lol.
/r/AntiFeminists08/07/22 03:51 AM
2

Still doesn't make it okay for a military spouse to claim military service. Congratulations on blowing up innocent people in other countries for oil and for Israel, but a military spouse is still not an active military service member.
/r/AntiFeminists08/07/22 03:50 AM
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It isn't the fault of all men if women are choosing shitty men, is it ? That's their own fault
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 03:48 AM
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Sure but i don't see how that's the fault of all men. If men choose bad women you don't see them hating on all women for it
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 03:48 AM
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You need therapy bud, asap. Simping this hard for a woman you don't even know who's clearly in the wrong here, embarassing.
/r/AntiFeminists08/07/22 03:36 AM
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Report it to Facebook and say they're doxxing and stalking men. If you can, get a petition going and get people to mass report the page. Bring enough negative attention to it and Facebook will be forced to remove the page
/r/MensRights08/07/22 03:19 AM
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God yes, i would love male only spaces. Men and women are so fucking annoying at the gym when they workout together. Women show up in very inappropriate attire and will constantly ask for help and men fall over themselves to help those women. It's very distracting. I also miss male only clubs where men could truly bond, share drinks, discuss politics and play card games. Today those clubs have been turned into date spots and family establishments.
/r/MensRights08/07/22 03:13 AM
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You're talking about a system that imprisons men that can't pay child support. It's so fucking bizzare. Imagine going to prison because you literally cannot afford to support yourself much less your child and it's baby mama (cause many women use cs payments to fund their own lifestyles). If women were being jailed en masse over child support payments it would be nixed tomorrow.
/r/MensRights08/07/22 03:10 AM
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She doesn't claim rank or awards but it doesn't belong under the military service section. It's very misleading.
/r/AntiFeminists08/07/22 03:08 AM
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Yeah sure but once you know you can work with a lawyer to try and get it removed. If you wish to find out while she's pregnant then the only real way is to get her permission unless you're super sneaky and can collect her blood somehow, maybe under the guise of a routine blood test? If you can then send that blood for paternity testing it will typically contain foetal dna along with the mother's dna and can be used for paternity testing.
/r/AntiFeminists08/07/22 12:25 AM
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In my opinion Military Spouse is a solidly competent person who has a profound demonstrated ability to deal with unusual stress. That may be true but it doesn't qualify as military service. She could list it under special skills or something but listing it under military service is just stolen valour.
/r/AntiFeminists08/07/22 12:08 AM
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People don't normally wanna hang out with their rapist. It'll show that she was interested in spending time with you and the initiator of your liasons. If you've got pictures from the wedding where she was your date, that'll help a lot too.
/r/MensRights07/07/22 06:02 PM
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You shouldn't put up with this behaviour from anyone, much less someone you're about to marry. I hope you turn that fiance into an ex fiance ASAP. The truth is that many, many women aren't worth marrying. They will destroy your life and make it hell and you'll realize you were better off single. There are good women that are worth marrying but there's too few of them and they're hard to find. The best thing for men would be to forgo marriage all together unless they come accross one of these rar…
/r/MensRights07/07/22 12:09 PM
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Everyone in the comments defending the wife's actions as though paternity fraud wasn't a thing. If the genders were reversed people would be 100% on board with paternity testing. Men, don't ask permission from your wives to get a paternity test. All you need is some dna from the child. Some saliva or a single hair should be easy enough to obtain. Do the paternity test in secret and only reveal it if the results show that you are not the father. It isn't sneaky or underhanded to do this. It's pra…
/r/AntiFeminists07/07/22 12:29 AM
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If you've got the texts as proof you should be fine. You will only get arrested if she files an official report but they'll probably let you go when they see the evidence. Unfortunately, in most countries there's no consequences for her, even if she lies to the cops. That being said, i doubt she'll file an official report if she's telling people about it because she probably knows you can disprove it. She's relying on destroying your reputation in your social circles. Imo get as much evidence as…
/r/MensRights07/07/22 12:24 AM
0

Imo your contributions in the house should be balanced out by your contributions to the family finances. If you bring home 70% of the income, you should do 30% of the housework. If you both bring home 50% of the finances then split the housework equally and if your woman is a SAHM and you're bringing home 100% of the finances, she should do 100% of the housework.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 04:56 AM
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Would you be okay with a man whipping his cock out in front of female minors ? What if they're your daughter's? If the answer is no, then what this woman did is completely wrong, there's no defending it.
/r/MensRights02/07/22 08:15 PM
1

This looks like a legit rape case, fuck the scum that did it. Women need to take better care of themselves and stop putting themselves in stupid situations, we don't live in an ideal world where this kinda shit doesn't happen. That being said she's definitely a victim and I hope he goes to prison.
/r/AntiFeminists02/07/22 11:12 AM
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Perhaps society hasn't given women an alternative to their companionship needs but as for their sexual ones; sex toys are ubiquitous, women can get dick at the swipe of a button and all stigma has been removed when it comes to women and casual sex. There is a greater stigma against men that won't commit than against women who dabble in hookup culture or have dick appointments lined up. None of the needs of men have been met, all of the needs of women besides the need for companionship have been …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 11:43 AM
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It isn't really dating apps that make women or society this way, rather they expose the ugly side of women, the side that's always been there but buried by Disney fantasies and the 'women are wonderful ' effect. Women no longer need men for protection and they can provide for themselves and when they can't, big daddy government uses tax money to provide for them. They no longer have to pair up with men. While society has done nothing to give men an alternative to our reproductive, companionship …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 04:03 AM
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Falling t-levels too! Testosterone is declining by ~1% each year. It's estimated that men born after 2060 will have near 0 testosterone levels.
/r/MensRights01/07/22 01:14 AM
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I don't know if they're happy but they generally seem to be complacent, probably because they're ignorant of the truth and of how things actually are. The most beta man I know of is a high earning guy with average looks who married his high school sweetheart and to me his life sounds like absolute hell but he seems to be.....okay with it ? He's only ever been with his wife, she left him after hs, had a hoe phase and has been with over 30 men and came back to him in her late 20s. She cheated whil…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/22 01:37 AM
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What lack of personal accountability? I did say I'm part of the problem but it is a society wide phenomenon. If you're mad that men dont wanna date women that do hookups, even if they do hookups themselves, it's because men are the gatekeepers of relationships and women of sex. Many women won't sleep with average men or men that are short, fat, balding or are unattractive even if those women are short, fat, or unattractive themselves. When it comes to relationships tho? Men get to choose and mos…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/22 12:12 PM
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I fully admit I'm part of the problem but even if I were to refrain from participating in hookup culture (and i did for a long time), other men and women wouldn't. We'd need a societal shift for that to happen. I don't have a problem with women that participate, I will treat them as equals and accord the same respect I give to everyone else but they just aren't relationship material imo. A lot of women have this dichotomy too btw, it isn't something that's exclusive to men. They will hookup with…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/22 04:48 AM
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I don't see any point in getting into a relationship with someone unless they've got long term potential and are someone that I can see a future with. Thus my standards for the women I date are a lot higher than my standards for women I hookup with. I would much rather be in a ltr than hooking up but a lot of women just aren't worth dating and being in relationships with anymore. Incidentally any woman with the attitude of "I don't want to miss my slut phase and regret it later" is gonna be in t…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/22 02:32 AM
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My best mates a virgin at the age of 32. He's also a wonderful guy and has lots of female friends. He has a lot of opportunities to date women but he just didn't prioritise sex and relationships over the other stuff in life. It doesn't matter, it honestly doesn't. A lot of women will judge you for being a virgin past the age of 21 because you're expected to lose it in college and because men are expected to be hypersexual. Abandoning gender roles was somehow only for women, never for us. That be…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/22 02:11 AM
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You need sperm and an egg to have a baby. It's half the genetic material of the father. If you can make life and death decisions for the foetus while the woman is pregnant and the father gets no say but somehow is expected to support that foetus when it's born for the next 18 years, that's a really fucked up double standard. Either ban abortions or allow for paper/financial abortions. I agree that pregnancy has a bigger impact on the woman's life and body and that abortion should be an option bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 06:57 AM
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Shouldn't that same standard apply to women then? They shouldn't be allowed to abort and should instead not have sex with someone they don't wanna risk having a child with or use birth control. As you said pregnancy isn't something a man does to a woman either, it's something done together and they can't just abdicate responsibility after the fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/22 06:52 PM
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Thank you, that means a lot The reason I want to marry a virgin is because of two things, the first is how shit my romantic life has been. From being forced and taken advantage of to being cheated on to being lied to and manipulated. I've had women cheat on me, cheat with me (without telling me about it), been lied to extensively etc. The one thing they all had in common was extensive emotional baggage and hangups from past relationships. This is one of the reasons why I want a virgin wife. I wa…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/22 07:32 AM
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They probably won't be. Even though the first time I had sex it was sort of forced where a much older woman took advantage of me. That being said, i have done it willingly since then and while I regret it, I can't undo that. Like I've said. If I meet an adult virgin woman I'll marry her. If I don't I'm stilling willing to have a relationship and date non virgin women, i just won't marry such a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/22 06:41 AM
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It doesn’t negate anything, but it’s clear who suffers more and it isn’t men. Emotional abuse is not the same as physical abuse and again, there’s no way in hell women perpetrate this significantly more than men. That really depends on your definition of suffering. For some people emotional and psychological abuse may be worse than physical abuse. All we can say for sure is that physical intimate partner violence is more gendered and disproportionately hurts women. Also women don't perpetrate do…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/22 04:09 AM
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Domestic violence is domestic violence. Women may be more likely to face injury or death but that does not negate the dv committed by women against men. It isn't just 'a slap' but it's often severe emotional and psychological abuse. If women should be given firearms to use against an intimate partner that abuses them, men should also be given firearms to use against an intimate partner that abuses them.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/22 03:56 AM
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I can see your perspective and I agree that casual, meaningless sex can get stale after a while and you'd want something with deeper meaning. That being said I don't really think it's the mark of a 'real man' with 'real responsibility ' Falling in love with someone and building a future with them is what I aspire to as well but the honest truth is that it can be difficult to find a woman's that's worth doing this with. A lot of women are seriously broken with more emotional baggage than the lugg…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/22 03:52 AM
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This is the most blindingly stupid and asenine take I've seen on this sub thus far. You assume that men are perpetrators and that women are hapless victims. However, all studies point to the fact that men constitute ~48% of the victims of domestic violence. Thus men and women are abusing each other at almost equal rates. Additionally you seem to think that increased gun usage will help anyone. Like the US doesn't already have a problem with gun homicides including school shootings and mass shoot…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/22 01:07 AM
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That's a common misconception. People assume that those who've had a lot of sex are less likely to cheat and are less likely to prioritise sex because of a been there, done that sort of thing but multiple studies have shown that the more promiscuous someone is before marriage, the more likely they are to cheat in a marriage and these marriages are often less stable and more likely to end in divorce. Your sexual preferences don't suddenly disappear when you become monogamous. When you've been wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/22 12:37 AM
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The right mollycoddles women and gives them trad rights while not requiring them to be trad (not legally anyhow). The left gives them additional rights and encourages them to do whatever the hell they want (as long as it doesn't involve living trad lives). Both sides are pro women and anti men. Don't fool yourself into believing otherwise. Republicans are like pastor's at a church that will tell you to wife up the god fearing single mother with a slutty past that's now a born again virgin. What …
/r/MensRights16/06/22 03:14 PM
1

That used to be case. An ugly man could get a job and become a provider and land an average woman as a wife, he could have a family and be happy but that isn't the case anymore. Women now chase top tier men and with government benefits and women working they don't want ugly men anymore. Like I said, the bottom 30% of men are not getting any women. Lots of ugly women have proven their merits. If you work and make money no one cares what you look like. You won't achieve romantic success but neithe…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/22 03:02 PM
2

Women don't love make-up. Plenty of us hate it. We wear it because looking attractive is the only thing that matters to most men. I don't buy that for a second, I'm sorry but I really don't. Most women are obsessed with makeup and won't be caught dead without it, even if they're with a man that says he does not like makeup. If women were to giveup wearing makeup en masse most men would readjust to this new normal but the truth is many women feel insecure about the way they look and use makeup to…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/22 02:35 PM
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Thousands upon thousands of messages and follow requests? Is this true? Yeah it's crazy but it's true. Especially for women with public social media profiles. And why do men bother messaging them if they know they’ll be ignored? One word; desperation. A recent study showed that upwards of 30% of men are incels and aren't able to secure love or relationships. These men hope that messaging these random women on ig and other social media will somehow allow them to secure love and relationships. The…
/r/MensRights16/06/22 08:03 AM
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It began with social media. Online dating is just the culmination of the avalanche that social media triggered. Facebook to some extent and Instagram to a much larger extent led to the overvaluation of mediocre women. Men started to mass simp for even the most average women while women became 'models' by uploading slutty pictures and getting armies of simp followers. It devalued the common man and led to an overvaluation of the common woman. Go on dates with women that are active on social media…
/r/MensRights16/06/22 05:13 AM
2

Most men aren't relationship material because of their own laziness and disgusting personality. Honestly ? Not really. Most men are average. They're somewhat lazy, not particularly high achieving and have average personalities which can come off as boring at times. Most women are exact like this as well. They're somewhat lazy, not particularly high achieving and have boring personalities. Average men and average women make up the majority of men and women. Average women are no better than averag…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/22 03:59 AM
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Yeah sure most men aren't relationship material either but that's primarily a result of women chasing toxic men and promoting hookup culture which incentivizes shitty male behavior and punishes good male behavior. No man wants to be the beta bucks provider. Yes women invest more time and money into looking attractive for the date but that again, is their choice. Most men don't even like makeup and would rather see a woman as she is than see her with tons of makeup on but makeup helps women to hi…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 07:25 PM
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Legally, are you able to stick me with child support for the kid? Yep. That's the problem. If a man doesn't want a child, has made it clear he doesn't want the child and is willing to give up all paternal rights, he should not be forced to pay child support.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 03:48 AM
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Being old school means you apply it widely..not selectively. Exactly! It means you apply it to both genders. I believe that no woman should be forced to have a child and no man forced to support a child he does not want but if you're compelling men to support their children you should also compell women to give birth to those children.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 05:56 PM
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Do you apply those old school values to men only ? Or to women as well? Do you also believe that if a woman gets pregnant it's her responsibility to carry the child to term and to be a responsible mother and raise it or should she be able to get an abortion even if there's no actual reason besides her not wanting to be a mother? If you only apply those values to one gender but not the other then those values are meaningless.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 05:33 PM
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This! Like honestly this^ most women aren't worth the time and financial investment involved for even a coffee date.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 05:16 PM
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You put it perfectly. If men are denied financial abortions and the right to choose then women should be denied abortions and the right to choose
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 04:13 PM
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Exactly! Women have a thousand different options to not have a child. A thousand different forms of contraception, oral abortives after they've been impregnated and surgical abortion months before they deliver the child (in some places right upto the delivery). There's even some women that will abandon their children in dumpsters or orphanages which allows them to shirk responsibility even after the birth of the child. Men aren't given any options. Their only option is to wear a condom (which wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 01:57 PM
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It isn't merely about bodily autonomy. We can claim that in a country where mutilating the genitals of infant boys is still a mainstream practice. Women can choose whether or not they have those children, men cannot. Men provide half the genetic material but get 0 say in whether that child is born is is aborted. They're then expected to pay child support even if they were victims of rape. That's a fucked up system that discriminates against men.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 07:38 AM
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Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t it the case that until the father signs the birth certificate or signs away his parental rights he doesn’t have to pay child support? No they can demand child support from the bio dad or even from someone who's shown himself to be a fatherly figure or in extreme cases even from the bio dad's family. The birth certificate doesn't affect child support and many women have sued men for backdated child support payments where the men didn't even know a child existed.…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 07:14 AM
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Yeah I get what you mean With respect to welfare a lot of tax earnings are spent on frivolous wars and on goverment benefits to mega corporations that could be better spent on these children and it would keep a lot more men our of prison who aren't hardened criminals but simply couldn't afford child support. It's fucked up that corporate ceos that have killed millions roam free but men languish in prison for literally not being able to pay. Alternatively they could put the onus on the mother to …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 07:10 AM
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Yeah that's true. Minor boys have been raped by adult women and been forced to pay child support. The government does not give a fuck about men. Were seen as entirely disposable and only exist to serve the interests of women, the state or the elite.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 07:06 AM
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Yes, her body, her choice, her financial burden. She does not need to get permission to abort or have the child but his wallet, his choice applies too. He does not need to support a child that he did not want. If she doesn't wanna be in that position she should have been on birth control.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 04:51 AM
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Oh yay this topic for the 600th time. You want to be deadbeat dads without the stigma, we know. That same standard can be applied to women that get abortions. They wanna be baby murderers without the stigma (hyperbole ofc but I'm trying to show you what your argument sounds like). Just get snipped, please. Women can just get a tubal litigation if they don't want to get pregnant by that same logic. Should we then ban abortions and just tell women they should have gotten snipped? And it is doing w…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 04:50 AM
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Not just the last stage, but the last stage where pill abortion is available as it's the least risky type of abortion. Fair enough! The father can decide and the mother can then make an informed decision with little risk to herself. I know so many stories about fathers who ppted out and years later decided they wish to play a father role nevertheless. I've been in one of these stories myself, it sucks. Yeah that definitely sucks, I'm really sorry that happened to you. Unfortunately there's also …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 04:40 AM
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If you don't agree with a abortions in general then that's different ofc but I disagree with you that the man is at an advantage while the women is at a disadvantage. If the man wants to keep the child or if he doesn't, that's not a choice he gets to make. Even though the child is half his, the woman can abort it or keep it with 0 input or choice from the man. It doesn't matter if he wants to be a father or if he doesn't wish to be one. How then, is it fair, to ask him to financially support the…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 04:11 AM
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I absolutely agree with both your points • The father should have to make his decision a while before the last stage by which the mother can abort. She should have enough time to realize she will have to raise the child alone and whether she's willing to take on the financial and emotional burden involved. • Yes absolutely, if you do a paper or financial abortion, it's the same as doing an abortion. For the biological father the child is effectively no more. His parental rights can never be rest…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 04:03 AM
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The mother should pay for the child. The father should have to choose at least two weeks before the last point at which the mother can abort. Then, should the mother still choose to have the child, she should pay for it. Not the government, not the father.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 04:00 AM
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I'm equating the right to abandon a kid that's biologically yours with the right to murder a kid that's biologically yours. If abortion is legal (and i believe it should be) then financial abortion should be legal as well. Obviously the father should be required to make this decision within the first five months of the pregnancy, before the last point at which the mother can abort. If the mother still chooses to have the child after that, then it's her responsibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 03:58 AM
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Same here! I'm pro choice but until financial abortions are an option, abortions shouldn't be.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 03:30 AM
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They don't though, do they? The men they want, the men they're trying to shame as 'not real men'. They don't have what it takes to attract those men, to make those men commit or behave in the way they want. Those men choose these women for nothing more than a pump and dump and that's what makes these women so bitter and mad.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/22 11:53 AM
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Umm....
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/22 11:29 AM
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A lot of self proclaimed feminists have a strong disconnect with reality. They want privileges, not rights. They say they want equality of the sexes but won't fight against female privileges, won't do anything for male issues but will actively try to shut down dicussions about the problems that face men and some are open misandrists.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/22 11:28 AM
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Very true
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/22 11:27 AM
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It's wrong when anyone belittles anyone I agree and neither gender has any right to tell the other gender how to behave. It's an older generation mindset imo. Someone else made this argument too and i agree that it's also prevalent in the older generations. What I'm primarily refering to is when women shame men who won't commit or who won't spend their resources on them. These women are usually bitter and entitled. Just like male incels who think they're owed sex and are entitled enough to deman…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/22 09:09 AM
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No one said women shouldn't get mad at laws that take away their bodily autonomy but if you're going to protest such laws but then try to police and shame male behavior and belittle men that don't behave in the way you want them to behave, then you're just being a hypocrite. It isn't really a bitter whine. It's ppd and I'm asking women a question. If you think this is whining you're on the wrong sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/22 08:40 AM
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That's very true. It's nothing more than a shaming tactic and no man actually has to listen to these women or care about what they say. They're usually bitter alpha widows or single mothers anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/22 07:32 AM
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Oh definitely and that's a problem too. Old people that think things still work the same way as it did when they were younger or that they get to decide what constitutes a real man or woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/22 07:30 AM
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Do women not want men?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/22 04:39 AM
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Ideally both the man and the woman should wait till marriage. I was taken advantage of by a much older and more experienced woman but that's a moot point. However, a lot of women look for that in a male partner, that they don't have themselves. Short women want a tall man, poor women want a rich man, fat women want a fit man and so on so such double standards or hypocricy isn't uncommon. It isn't just lifelong commitment, it's government mandated lifelong commitment with a contractual agreement …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/22 04:38 AM
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UK family laws are like American family laws only much much worse. Oh no I never said I'm not into trad gender roles, just that they aren't a deal breaker for me. If my wife wanted to cook and clean I'd love that but not doing so isn't a marriage deal breaker. Similarly, if she wants to stay at home I don't mind that, i can support her and our future kids but if she wants to work that isn't a marriage deal breaker either. Sex before marriage is a marriage deal breaker because of a lot of factors…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/22 03:09 AM
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I don't care if she's got a past, i just won't marry her. Why would she want something as traditional as marriage anyway? We can be perfectly happy dating and even living together so why involve ancient rituals and the government?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/22 01:37 AM
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Fair enough but at least those fantasies won't be based off past memories.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/22 01:35 AM
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Sure, trying to get the best outcome according to the stats isn't really reasonable when we talk about something with so many variables in it. Exactly! Too many people bring up statistical data only when it favours their particular set of beliefs but marriage has so many variables that go into it Are you from the US? I'm from the UK Well, neither my husband or I are into traditional gender roles or traditional family structure, but we still find marriage valuable. It's a good way to confirm your…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/22 01:35 AM
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A lot of people make bad marriage decisions that aren't grounded in statistical data. I agree with you that statistically getting married young isn't the best decision but neither is marrying someone who's had a lot of past partners, marrying someone in the dancing or restaurant industries, marrying someone of a different race etc but people only really look at statistical data that benefits them and what they actually want. It isn't my only reason, high divorce rates and the biased family court…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/22 05:52 PM
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Can you get your marriage annulled? If not document absolutely everything. Take screenshots of all text messages, hide a voice activated sound recorder in your room and your car etc. Get evidence of the domestic abuse and then file for divorce. If she tries to frame you for anything you can show your evidence of domestic abuse. Obviously get a local lawyers opinion on this issue and check wire tapping in private property laws in India As bad as the situation is here it's probably 10x worse there…
/r/MensRights12/06/22 12:40 PM
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I think outside of deeply religious communities it's pretty rare. My husband and I aren't religious and our outcome is pure luck. Oh I have no illusions of actually finding such a partner. I know that adult virgins are incredibly rare. I haven't met any since leaving hs. It would just be incredible to have a wife that's only ever been with you and who only fantasizes about you. How old are you? Are you a virgin? I'm 28 and no I'm not a virgin and I don't really expect I'll be able to find one he…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/22 12:26 PM
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I'd rather marry someone for whom I'm the first and only sexual partner and who fantasisez about me in bed instead of other men. Why is that a boring dream?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/22 12:22 PM
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I would prefer if my partner and I have only ever had sex with each other, yeah.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/22 12:20 PM
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Your husband is literally living my dream
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/22 09:38 AM
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Can Stanford be sued for title IX violations? Allowing a professor to teach there, that is an obvious misandrist, seems to be a clear violation of title IX and is an obvious discrimination based on gender.
/r/MensRights12/06/22 08:26 AM
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You make a very good point
/r/MensRights12/06/22 03:46 AM
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"the motives are complex and they don't usually come from a place of maliciousness, research shows but from fear or a need for assistance. Now imagine someone said that about rape itself, they'd be crucified. How can your head be so far up your ass that you think ruining someone's life and potentially imprisoning them for decades isn't from a place of maliciousness? Lying to destroy someone's life isn't malicious? If you have that much fear or need for assistance then you shouldn't be having sex…
/r/MensRights11/06/22 03:16 AM
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I'm not okay with a woman who posts sexy pictures on social media regardless of whether she does it while we're dating or whether she used to do it while she was single. Such a woman does not meet my standards of acceptable behavior and I would view her as a pump and dump only and not as someone with serious relationship potential. Society will tell you a lot of things and will try to shame you into lowering your standards, the only thing you should do is flip society the bird and not give a shi…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/22 12:17 AM
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There are absolutely things you can do to reduce the likelihood of getting an STD/STI and being in a monogamous relationship will definitely reduce the chances of getting infected by a huge margin, my only contention to your original argument was that....well you have to be having sex to get a sexually transmitted infection unless you're one of the very few unlucky individuals who acquire it through blood transfusion and since donated blood is screened for diseases, that's very unlikely. A bette…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 11:28 AM
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STDs/STIs and sex are 100% correlated. You get those from having sex with people and if you have multiple sexual partners you're putting yourself at greater risk of catching something that'll have lifelong implications. Also sex is clearly not a basic right given that so many people fail to obtain it and we can live our lives comfortably without it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 10:57 AM
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There's nothing wrong with waiting until marriage to have sex if that's what you want. Sure it can make dating a lot harder but don't let anyone tell you that you're wrong in waiting or that it's somehow a bad thing. It's really weird how were not supposed to shame people for having sex but shaming a virgin is apparently, totally okay.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 10:54 AM
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There are very few exceptional men and women. Most have average to boring personalities, look about average and have average income and lifestyles. In earlier times associations would form between these average men and women because women would bring pussy and the ability to birth a man's family to the table and the man would bring his ability to protect and provide. The idea of marrying for love is a very modern concept. Now we've created relatively safe societies and women can work and provide…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/22 05:19 AM
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It is so goddamn tiresome to see feminists/leftists continuously get to pick and choose where they want to see equality, and where it seemingly doesn't matter. This! Their blatant hypocrisy is so fucking annoying as is the constant insult to our intelligence. How much longer are they gonna lie and say it's about equality when every move they make is to ensure female superiority? Feminists wish to build a society where merit and personal ability don't matter. Where one sex gets given scholarships…
/r/MensRights08/06/22 03:43 AM
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It's either manipulation on both sides or it isn't. I disagree with the men that claim this isn't manipulation. A lot of times you know when a girl is marriage material or isn't and some men will stick around and have their 'fun' with a woman that isn't until they meet one that is. Both sides are shitty, the men that manipulate women in this way and the women that use and take advantage of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 08:07 PM
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Men have been systematically lied to. By the media and by women and now by pickup artists. Do some men feel entitled to women? Absolutely! However, the truth is that most men don't really understand women and when they look for answers they're often given the wrong ones. Women will often give you terrible advice about dating other women. You say women are looking for someone nice but that isn't objectively true, is it. Women are looking for someone that makes them feel a certain kind of way. Nic…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 05:26 PM
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Anyone who is not suffering from a mental disability should know that being “nice” isn’t the only requirement for being in a relationship or sex. I’m not convinced that women say that. When you've been lied to your whole life by the media, by your parents and by women themselves, been told that theyre looking for a nice man, some men aren't intelligent enough or experienced enough to understand what it actually translates to and they genuinely believe being nice is the only requirement. All of t…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 04:16 PM
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This isn't equality, it's the opposite of a meritocracy. It's favouring women based off their gender alone. I wonder if they'll have a 40% female quota for coal mines and a 40% male quota for teaching and nursing.
/r/MensRights07/06/22 03:09 PM
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I won't deny that those men are idiots but that does not absolve her of the blame and it doesn't change the fact that she's a narciccistic abuser. When men manipulate and use grown women we, as a society, are always sympathetic so why don't men get the same sympathy? It is abuse because she's playing off their emotions and manipulating them Into doing favours for her. It's emotional manipulation and abuse. If the genders were flipped we'd literally be calling this abuse. The beta orbiters are st…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 03:07 PM
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You're welcome :)
/r/MensRights07/06/22 03:00 PM
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Unless the women is explicitly telling these orbiters that she’ll date / sleep with them if they do x task. She isn’t using them. A woman can use her orbiters even without explicitly telling them that she will reward them with sex or a relationship. If she manipulates their feelings for her and uses that to her advantage, that's literally taking advantage of them. She doesn't have to literally promise them sex. If you disagree then tell me, if a man were to date a woman and were to lead her on f…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 11:57 AM
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A lot of men will spend money on and provide financial assistance to their female friends, especially if they're got feelings for her. They'll also do free favours for her like helping her move or carry heavy objects that they wouldn't do for a male friend. Women don't always ask for this and some arent even aware of their male friends doing this, but some women both allow their male friends to orbit them and take full advantage of the situation by having their male friends pay for everything.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 11:48 AM
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https://www.theguardian.com/society/2010/sep/05/men-victims-domestic-violence It's 40% officially but male victims are also a lot less likely to come forward and male dv is severely underreported because they're worried about being ridiculed by society and by other men and women and the police will rarely ever believe a male victim or act to protect male victim of DV because of the Duluth model. Even if a male victim does come forward, until very recently there were 0 DV shelters that catered to…
/r/MensRights07/06/22 11:44 AM
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It can go two ways. There are women who are genuinely sad about losing a friend and it can suck to have someone you consider a friend walk away (that being said you're still entitled to end the friendship if she isn't interested in you as a romantic prospect) and then there are other women that are entitled af and believe that they're owed male friends and beta orbiters who will bend over backwards for these women because they think it'll get them laid. These women know that the aforementioned m…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 03:22 AM
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Its completely okay to politely decline friendship with a woman who has rejected you as a romantic prospect. It can be a bit shitty if you were friends for a long time before that happens but, just as women don't owe you sex or a relationship, men don't owe women their time, attention, finances or commitment and indeed their friendship.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 03:13 AM
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Looking at her profile photo, I'm guessing she lacked a father figure or didn't have a great one. She's just a bitter crybaby who's words don't matter. I'll raise this mega pint to all the great father's out there.
/r/MensRights07/06/22 02:49 AM
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You're right lmao they fight to actually hurt men, not for things that will prevent that hurt. The actions of modern day feminists leave all men and many women worse off than before.
/r/MensRights07/06/22 02:40 AM
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Feminism has shown itself to not care about men's rights. In the centuries of its existence, feminists have never fought for something that actually hurts men or that men care about. Even in countries where women enjoy superior rights and opportunities to men, feminists still fight for women's issues while ignoring the existence of men at best or directly blaming us at worst. Feminism is a female superiority movement and we'll never achieve justice for men while under a feminist purview.
/r/MensRights07/06/22 12:29 AM
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I believe in men and women having equal rights and for both genders to have equality of opportunity but not of outcome. If both genders have the same opportunities and have no real barriers to success then the outcome should be decided on individual merit, even if this were to result in a heavily skewed gender ratio for the field in question. I also believe that we live In a society which claims to favour equality but actually pushes for female superiority, not only giving women all the same rig…
/r/MensRights07/06/22 12:26 AM
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For sex ? Sure! He's not gonna date her tho 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/22 12:13 PM
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Guarding behaviour can be toxic or healthy, it depends on whether or not you cross certain boundaries. A woman that's with a shot ugly man is probably ugly herself no? 'chad' will probably never offer her a relationship so she needs to be okay with the guarding behaviour of the 'beta male' Anyway if you're dating someone and she doesn't like your mate guarding just break up and find a woman that's okay with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/22 12:02 PM
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A man who's super old dating a much younger woman is seen as creepy for one or multiple of the following reasons The assumption that he's taking advantage of her by using his maturity and experience to groom her. This can be true at times but at times it can also just be that they get along well and have a lot in common. An assumption that every single instance of a younger woman dating an older man is grooming is sexist and incredibly patronizing because it assumes that women aren't intelligent…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/22 11:15 AM
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I don't know how to better explain that a majority of men do see sex as a reward. Of course it's difficult to get horny for someone who's made you angry and someone being nice can turn you on but a lot of women treat sex as an actual reward, as treats for when a boyfriend/husband behaves in the way they want him to behave and a lot of men see sex as a reward because of how hard it can be for them to obtain it. Some men even go to extraordinary lengths just to obtain sex. The men you've spoken to…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/22 10:54 AM
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There's nothing wrong with mate guarding and healthy jealousy so long as you aren't going overboard. Our society shames a lot of perfectly natural things and is going full retard in some ways. If I'm seeing a girl casually i don't care about mate guarding. She can flirt with anyone or be flirted with by anyone and I'm not really gonna care. If she turns other men down or goes with them it doesn't really bother me since I've invested no feelings or finances and if she 'cheats' I can easily move o…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/22 09:05 AM
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You're wrong about that. Most men view sex as a reward and most men will go to great lengths to obtain sex. The fact that you ignore this fundemental biological fact proves that you dont care to understand male biology or motivation. Rather than accept men how they are you make claims about how you believe men should be. If women truly don't think men view sex as a reward, why do they use it as one? Why do they withhold sex when they're mad at the man they're with or give him sex when he does so…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/22 08:54 AM
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Isn't that child abduction? He should have contacted the Swiss authorities and had his wife thrown in prison for child abduction rather than end his life :(
/r/MensRights05/06/22 05:26 AM
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We had to take an online seminar on consent before even starting university and while I don't know if both men and women were made to take the course it felt humiliating, especially because you had to take a test at the end of it and the questions were definitely not gender neutral and they were framed in a way that position the man as the potential rapist. I also experienced misandry in a few of my classes and it was disgustingly the male professors that were responsible. They'd treat the women…
/r/MensRights04/06/22 12:59 AM
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Sex may not be an incentive or a reward for women (although sex with the kind of man they want is tbh) but for men it is both an incentive and a reward. It's a very powerful driving force for men and no amount of social conditioning will override that biological drive. When women sleep with men that have those same toxic traits that they consider to be 'bad' or redundant in men and that they advise men to rid themselves of, they're rewarding that same toxicity. It isn't hypocrisy to interact wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/22 06:53 PM
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If you're incentivising and rewarding the same kind of behaviour you call toxic and discourage while you're ignoring the men that behave the way feminists want men to behave, denying them sex and relationships, no man will actually follow what feminists tell them to. Feminists are ousting themselves as hypocrites and it comes accross to men that you should do the opposite of what feminists say is right because that's the kind of behaviour they're rewarding. You can't be a hypocrite and then have…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/22 06:30 PM
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Toúche but viagra was invented for a reason (;
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 07:42 PM
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Honestly ? Most of us don't expect anything from these women and we don't have the right to. Everyone should pursue their own happiness and hopeful you do meet your unicorn or at least get good dick. Our only problem is with women that have delusional standards for men but think they're some sort of catch and then have the gall to complain and whine about it all over the internet and mainstream media. It sounds a lot like incel complaints to us. It's okay if they wanna have ridiculous standards …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 07:41 PM
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Exactly, whenever women rate themselves or other women they'll always rate women far far higher than most men would. I've seen 3s and 4s being rated as 8s. On the flip side women will rarely rate men fairly reducing even average men to 1s and 2s.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 07:38 PM
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I wouldn't call it force. Not for a few hundred years anyway. Average men could offer average women financial stability and in return they got to have a family with her. Now women can earn for themselves and the average man has little to offer the average woman but consequently the average woman has little to offer top tier men.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 07:37 PM
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Sure, not everyone wants a relationship but many women (and tbf men) do want relationships and can't get them. You can find them whining about it on any corner of the internet or even mainstream media sources.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 07:35 PM
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Doesn't the solution for that seem to be for women to eat less rather than to complain about basic biology?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 07:34 PM
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Below average men and women have very little to offer anyone. Their only appeal used to be the offering of financial security by men and the offering of pussy by women. Below average women can now earn enough for themselves, are catered to by welfare where men constitute the majority of tax payers or can get into sex work easier than ever before. Below average men still don't have sex robots and prostitution is illegal in many countries. Adding to this is the fact that women's standards have sky…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 12:20 PM
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What you describe is the precise reason that MRA movements like this one exist. No man seriously wishes to deny women equal rights but we strive for true equality, not for the feminist lie where women are afforded superior rights and privileges to men. Male rights are being slowly taken away, were being vilified by the media, by women and by society in general. A woman can accuse a man of rape and his life is over, he needs to prove his innocence rather than she prove his guilt. Male suicide rat…
/r/MensRights01/06/22 08:40 AM
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Fair enough, below average men are the ones rushing to offer commitment while above average men are the ones that are truly being selective with the people that they commit to. As a result of this below average women are being left out in the cold because they don't want the commitment of below average men and they can't secure the commitment of above average men.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 07:38 AM
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I agree with you, it's tiring seeing men and women demand lovers and spouses that fit their absolutely ridiculous standards and acting like they're entitled to a partner that meets those standards and socity as a whole feeds into this delusion, especially for women who are told to never settle or compromise. More people should definitely be going their own way. I see so many people get into shallow or unfulfilled or even abusive relationships just because they're too afraid to be alone. I think …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 07:35 AM
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More women are capable of walking away, absolutely, although many will still whine about not getting the kind of man they wanted but men are walking away as well (and getting shit on by the mainstream media for it). Why do you think only below average men are committing anymore and why so many women will be with a man for years and years but he still won't committ? The eventual state of society will be one in which the best looking and richest men get access to all the sex they could possibly wa…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 06:09 AM
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You must be new to humanity and the human race in general. A lot of people do get married to people they don't actually want because they're that ridiculously desperate to be with someone/with anyone and we're socially programmed to seek out companionship and are socially shamed for not wanting to settle below what we think we deserve. A few people are strong enough to walk away from it but most people conform and settle for people they don't actually want because the alternative to them isn't a…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 04:22 AM
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These women don't WANT to be single they just want men to conform to what they want. Exactly! They won't accept that the men that meet their standards don't want these women. These women may have once had sexual access to such men when they were in their 20s but such men would never have dated them and especially won't do so now that they're in their 40s. No man and no woman has the right to demand a particular kind of partner and be entitled enough to complain when they don't get such a partner…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 04:19 AM
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Obesity is higher among women https://www.niddk.nih.gov/health-information/health-statistics/overweight-obesity https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2015/11/13/455883665/cdc-more-women-than-men-are-obese-in-america-and-gap-is-widening Men may drink and smoke more but it does more damage to women. Women's bodies are also smaller and can handle less amounts of alcohol. Makeup does damage and age your skin. You're literally putting on layers of chemicals onto your skin. Sunscreen has spf you don't …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 03:27 AM
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Men have standards. Low standards for sex and much higher standards for relationships but those standards do exist. However, when men realize that most women don't meet even the most basic standards they adjust their standards. Women however, retain their delusional standards. This is why an average man will date and marry an average or even slightly below average woman but an average woman will scoff at an average man and believe she deserves a male model that makes 7 figures.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 03:20 AM
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More men are overweight, more women are obese. The overweight spectrum is a bmi of 25-30 while obesity is anything over 30. Women as a whole are a lot more fat than are men. https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2015/11/13/455883665/cdc-more-women-than-men-are-obese-in-america-and-gap-is-widening https://www.niddk.nih.gov/health-information/health-statistics/overweight-obesity
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 03:18 AM
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You're half right. Men don't have high standards for who they'll fuck. They'll stick their dicks in just about any kind of she beast but they do have standards for who they'll date and marry. It's why top tier men may pump and dump average women but they'll never date or marry these ogres. Average men however may end up settling for someone that doesn't meet their standards if they get lonely or desperate enough but that doesn't mean that those standards don't exist. That being said you're right…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 03:14 AM
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Women have a high in group preference and will typically consider women more attractive than they are and men less attractive than they actually are. Also a lot of women wear makeup which bumps them a few points above what they actually look like. In reality those women are probably with men that look about the same or perhaps even better than they do.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 03:04 AM
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Always get proof of consent when you hook up with a woman. Get a voice activated audio recorder and/or app on your phone and leave it on while you have sex, especially if she isn't your girlfriend although a pragmatic approach is to record your sexual encounters with everyone. Additionally, do not delete any messages between the two of you and don't use an app where the messages disappear or where she can end the conversation or screenshot all the conversations and communiques. False accusations…
/r/MensRights01/06/22 02:54 AM
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The way I see it ? What women say and what women do are very different things and this is more true for feminists than any other category of women. Feminists may say they're sympathetic to short, fat bald men, that they understand the struggles men go through while dating and that all body types are valid and should be accepted but in practice they want the same tall, well built rich men that other women want. When they 'incel-shame' they do so by insulting the way incels look, the same as other…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 02:36 AM
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You do realize that's also the case for us men yeah? Obesity is higher among women than men and most women are obese. They also slap on layers upon layers of makeup and have skin damage from excessive alcohol consumption. They're really not attractive and have very shallow and basic personalities. If even top tier men had standards as high as the average woman does, most women would never find a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 02:17 AM
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I've clearly explained how it's manipulative and it tricks those men into a relationship. Perhaps it isn't deception but it's clear manipulation. Cases where the woman said she was "innocent" (not even that tbh but where she tones down or lies about her sexual past) and where she baby traps men are the primary examples i gave of lying and deception so you do agree that women can be manipulative and deceptive, just like men.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/22 05:59 AM
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The thing is saying "I'll sleep with you once we're dating" is manipulative in and of itself if she's slept with other men right away because she's manipulating him into a relationship. I've seen several stories of men finding out their wives were sexually promiscuous in college or did things with their exes that they won't do with their husbands. I've also seen stories of men manipulating women into sex. Manipulation and deception happens on both sides. It isn't that women are hapless victims a…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 05:57 PM
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No, that’s just usually who Red Pill types refer to as “high value”: a rich dominant handsome man. I'm talking about the general definition of a high value man, the kind of man most women would want to get with. Not whatever the red pill or FDS assumes it to mean. He is not kind he treats his woman as inferior. Demanding submission is not “kindness”. It’s domineering. What's wrong with wanting submission if she's willing to be submissive? Don't women have the freedom and agency to make that choi…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 05:54 PM
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I agree that the average man isn't attractive to the average woman but i was talking about below average women. You're right in that these women can also buy a vibrator ofc but when i define them as below average they probably don't earn enough income and rely on welfare and taxpayer funds. They also get mad when they get pumped and dumped by the men at the top of the social hierarchy. When you're fine with being by yourself and don't want relationships then why are you mad when the men that are…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 04:34 PM
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How wasn't the woman sucessful? She got what she wanted, a relationship, which would probably not have happened had she slept with him right away. If we accept your premise, that deception requires explicit lying, you can find many stories on the relationships sub which talk about men having dated and married what they thought were sexually conservative women only to find out their wives were very wild in their college days or that they did a lot for their exes that they won't do for their husba…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 04:31 PM
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When all a “high value man” offers is cash and a little cheating on the side to a “great wife” You're conflating a high value man with a rich douchebag. When i say high value man i mean someone who is kind, has a great personality, is reasonably attractive and successful and socially well liked. Women can absolutely get the cash themselves but if they prioritize their careers over their relationships they will have to make sacrifices when it comes to relationships. Also a woman being submissive …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 04:25 PM
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It really isn't a faulty comparison. The man is playing on the woman's desires to be in a relationship with that man. He sleeps with her and leaves her. The woman is playing on the man's desire for physical intimacy and does not sleep with him until after he starts dating her. They're both manipulation tactics. If it isn't manipulation then why do women sleep with the men they hookup with right away but make men they see as having "relationship potential" wait for sex ? It's because they know th…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 03:36 PM
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My whole contention was about dating which I assume isn't just casual dating but is leading somewhere. Either to a committed ltr or marriage. Of course older women can get sex and casual flings easily. Many men will have sex with a woman regardless of how she looks or her age. Male standards for sex are incredibly low so it isnt necessarily that older women can get sex but rather any woman at all can get sex from multiple men. They can be old, fat, whatever. Cohabitation can be a committed relat…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 03:33 PM
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That's hyperbole. I never said the man is only entering the relationship so that he can sleep with a woman but sex is an integral part of a relationship and many women will have sex right away with men they know they can't or don't wish to date but will withhold sex from men who they wish to be in a relationship with so as to manipulate him into dating them. Yes a man can leave a relationship and a woman can walk away from a man who's just sleeping with her and not offering commitment. I fully a…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 03:25 PM
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People should be happy with the choices they make. Wether that leads to being alone or a family. They just need to realize that it's very rare that they can have it all and if they pursue one path that may involve giving up or sacrificing on another. Yes absolutely there are men like that but they don't constitute the majority. There's more women searching for such men than men that are willing to offer such which is why a lot of older women struggle with finding love and commitment but it isn't…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 02:48 PM
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Older women may find it easy to get men for sex bu they cannot get men the same age as them to commit and using the average age gap as a metric is decietful because it accounts for the low age gap between younger couples. The age gap for women in the 30-49 range is much higher than that of younger couples. https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/11/health/marital-status-elderly-health.html Older women can always find sex and relationships, god knows I've been with my fair share of older women but they s…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 02:45 PM
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No one can be manipulated into sex either by that very same logic. Women manipulate men into relationships by withholding sex till the men commit, by baby trapping them, by playing on the emotions etc. I don't fail to realize that the vast majority of women aren't interested in dating someone that doesn't meet their standards. I'm simply stating that both genders are entitled to their own sets of standards and if men want pretty feminine young women that's just as reasonable a standard as a fat …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 02:38 PM
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Men that are older than 30 don't really date women that are in their 30s. They date younger women. The older a man gets the greater the age gap between him and potential partners. Women in their 30s are often forced to date older men. You say that most women meet their partner at work. According to this source (https://www.bamboohr.com/blog/8-workplace-romance-facts-need-know-right-now/) only 22% of women do which means that 88% of women that get married meet men outside the workplace. Your fabr…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 02:05 PM
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I never said that adult women can't tell that a man is only interacting with them for sex but too many harbor the delusion that given enough time he will committ, that isn't an assumption it's a behaviour that women exhibit time and time again. If he wouldn't committ at the start hes very unlikely to commit later no matter how much sex you offer him. You claim that adult women can tell that a man is only using them for sex and then state that men need to stop lying and manipulating women into se…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 01:58 PM
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You're confusing what I wrote with asking a woman to be feminine or submissive. To argue your assertions, it first depends on how you define these rewards. Women aren't really strong or Independent. What you define as strong and independent aka having a home, a car, paying your own bills etc is something men do and have done for eons without expecting any praise for it. If a woman earns a lot of money she can buy lots of things she likes so In that sense yes, you can have material satisfactions …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 12:37 PM
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Absolutely! What a lot of women don't or won't understand is that just because a man is willing to fuck them does not mean he will ever date them. Men have wildly different standards for sex vs relationships and most of these women are seen as pump and dump material only. The man will never committ to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 12:27 PM
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The quality of potential suitors has dropped for sure but things like social media and online dating gave given both genders but women in particular inflated egos and completely unrealistic dating standards. Women now wanna play the field till they hit their 30s and then look for a man to settle with or hang onto their delusional standards and stay single while being Chad's ocasional hookup instead of finding a man at their level. The average man is unattractive to even the below average woman b…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 11:42 AM
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Feminism cannot exist in an environment where free thought and criticism are allowed. It's obvious to anyone outside their cult that feminism is about control, about having superior rights to men and no responsibilities and about creating and enforcing double standards and misandry. If groups of people are to stand up to the evil dogma of feminism and expose them for what they really are, their ideology crumbles and falls apart. Irl the number of women who self identify as feminists is in declin…
/r/MensRights25/05/22 03:52 AM
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