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Question For Womenefficientaficionado/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 02:02 AM
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High school sweethearts, most likely.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 03:07 AM
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Did you guys meet in high school (or earlier)?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 03:07 AM
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I had come to many of these conclusions far before the manosphere was even a thing. I come from the side of a bit more harsh truth redpill than the hate all women manopsherian.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 02:55 AM
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This is the one situation where it's kind of beneficial (or not) to let the woman initiate, but women really don't initiate. Some do, most will pretend they do, and almost all of them won't. Some guys either get extremely lucky or learn this the hard way.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 02:07 AM
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The only time I see women dating men that are less attractive or equally attractive is when they met in highschool, or when they finally started dating as she was reaching her 30s. I'm not saying women can't be attracted to men, but 5's getting non-committal sex (spoiled, damaged, ruined, whatever you want to call it) from 8s kind of ruins things for the 5/10 men that could be dating those women had said women not overinflated their attraction threshold by ... for lack of a better term ... chasi…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 01:58 AM
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We absolutely do. Duh... because women conveniently leave out that it is the first gate men have to get through before any of the shit you say is "most important" is even taken into consideration. If the first gate doesn't open and none the others matter if it doesn't, then clearly, logically, looks are king.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 01:44 AM
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Let me guess... striking up a conversation is complimenting his tattoo while you're both in line for groceries or whatever, then he ends up leading the conversation regardless? I'm not saying you're not a great conversationalist, but this has been my experience. A woman might start a conversation, but most just instantly hand over the reins to the guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 01:32 AM
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Sounds nice on paper, but in practice this is hilariously far from the general truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 01:27 AM
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You're throwing the dynamic off, and it weirds those guys out. Or, Perhaps they've only had really bad experiences with women that were the approachers. Either way, there's a reason men should approach; and it's deeper than most people want to accept. There's an animalistic element to it... to show oneself to be a "dominant male."
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 01:20 AM
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I've seen it said before that a woman might approach if the guy seems "interesting." I think the basis of deciding if a guy is interesting varies from woman to woman, but you can't tell me looks don't come into the picture. Enough with this "I didn't approach him because he was attractive" shit. We know he was attractive, because you wouldn't have given his personality or any other character metric a chance if he wasn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 01:12 AM
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And women tend to be titillated by men that display aggressive-leaning traits, so I think women approaching as a rule would actually not yield the results most people think it would.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 01:06 AM
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Women won't make the first move. They don't have to, and they want to see you do it. Something something confidence and assertiveness, or something-or-other. Some do. They're outliers.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 01:03 AM
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Watch her find some ridiculous way to disagree and also not answer the question
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 01:02 AM
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Regarding point 3 - we don't teach young men this in general. Some guys get lucky with looks and/or good mentors and/or social circles, and some invest a ton of time and effort to make it work through trial and error - or even copy what's working for the guys around them that are successful, but that's essentially good mentors. Now, there's others that foolishly think women will initiate, or guys too shy to talk to women; men who just don't have enough opportunities to meet women in relaxed sett…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 11:46 PM
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Simple, you treat her differently than you would a friend. Flirting and fucking is part of it, yes; but not the whole picture. Your turn.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 11:06 PM
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You'll have to explain how that follows from what I said.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 04:18 PM
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Are homeless alcoholics the great guys I was alluding to? Interesting that you interpreted it as such...
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 04:12 PM
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If you want to be shallow and pass on otherwise great guys just because they don't look like male models, one could argue that compromise might be needed. It could also be argued that your shallow desires are getting in the way of going for guys that are really good on paper. You stand a better (no, MUCH better) chance of locking down commitment if you relax your physical attraction standards if you're also demanding the guy be exceptional in other areas. ... That's why.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 04:06 PM
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Everybody leaves out the second part, though. Especially women
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 11:47 PM
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Doesn't seem true at scale. If you were to look at your graduating class, I'd guess this was like 5-10% of guys. She works with slacker burnouts - probably a restaurant or something of that nature.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 09:46 PM
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The lost and found thing just baffles me and makes me think it's bait
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 09:32 PM
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You must be a ray of sunshine if a guy asking if something he lost turned up in the lost-and-found box is grounds for saying he's worthless. Holy shit. You're either a massive asshole, or this is just subtle ick ragebait.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 09:30 PM
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And women say pair bonding is a myth. The first love is the truest.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 09:27 PM
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Asking out a guy you already know (I'm assuming) is one thing that women will sometimes do, but it's definitely not common. The guys who wait around for women to make such an initiating move are generally going to spend a lot of time single and dateless before they realize that it just doesn't happen at the rate women try to claim it does. Women don't need to take this risk unless they're FOMOing over the really attractive guy in the friend group that every other woman also wants. That's where y…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 09:01 PM
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Women love to claim they approach like men do, but in reality it's just standing in a spot with the highest guarantee that the guy will notice her and perhaps giving him subtle signals to initiate.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 07:08 PM
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Just that a lot of these women are willingly removing themselves from the gene-pool. By the time they decide having a family and being a mother isn't actually such a bad idea, they have such rotten personalities and toxic views of men that they are essentially undatable by men with self-respect
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 06:57 PM
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It's a feminist that uses false premises and disingenuous arguments to always arrive at the conclusion that men suck and need to be kneecapped even harder.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 06:11 PM
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No explosive diarrhea?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 06:07 PM
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Treat her like a friend, and she'll put you in the friendzone.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 06:04 PM
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The only problem is that feminism is wrong about what men actually think and believe. It's a bit more than that. It also tells women to not care what men think and believe. It's a sort of "stick it to men" death-cult, at least as most women interpret it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 06:17 AM
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It's all under the umbrella, honey.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 05:18 AM
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You must realize you contradicted yourself. You suggested to not share a shallow and superficial representation of oneself and meet in person... which suggests that men fall in love with personality more reliably than looks alone... Women arguably do the opposite: Less reliably fall in love with a good personality, and more reliably on looks alone. Are you with me so far?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 05:15 AM
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Sounds like a defeatism issue more than anything. Everyone has a specific charm, and women especially can find men that will love them for it. For men when it comes to attracting women, it's a bit more complicated; and perhaps a bit Freudian.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 05:05 AM
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OP forgets men will fuck just about anything under the right circumstances. It's a natural inclination to want to fuck as man and woman, and I think we both throw off vibes in these situations over time as familiarity grows. This sounds like a catfish that doesn't want to accept the facts, or a troll.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 04:57 AM
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"All men are rapists"... "kill all men" ... joyful? Silly? Fun? What an interesting life you must live.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 04:51 AM
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What he said, but without the comma-splice. We have a language problem where you can get away with saying increasingly disparaging things about men, in a general sense, with zero repercussion... where on the other hand, you can't even make the slightest criticism of a woman, or women, without a very serious chance of potentially brutal consequences. This is the essence of radical feminism in modern times: you can, as a woman, say anything about men (or a man), and men can't do shit about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 04:28 AM
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It's reverse shitting
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 04:17 AM
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Proverbs has some ideas in it that a lot of women (do or would) have serious issues with. How long have you been studying the bible, anyways?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 03:21 AM
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150 by some time in your 20s? Jesus fucking christ
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 03:13 AM
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The community brought you together. It's a luxury most people who have consistently failed on their own in the dating world don't have the pleasure of having. You're in a minority at best, and a complete outlier at worst. You probably even told your parents to make introductions so you could get closer to the guy you were smitten by.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 03:01 AM
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More guys need to know about meggings... or just fashion in general, really. Graphic tee and jeans is anti-peacocking.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 02:59 AM
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If I'm not mistaken (and I'm sure I'm not), it was you that got hyperfixated on the debt part. And, if I'm not also mistaken: that was exactly the context on which I started talking to you. Sound familiar? or you just trying to be difficult?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 02:57 AM
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You legitimately won simply because the parents of both of you were looking out for you under a presupposed structure of church kids meeting each other while young through respective families. Most people who are struggling to meet anyone didn't have such a luxury that a lot of people tend to take for granted, or sometimes even frame as "oppressive." Congrats, but your perspective is mostly irrelevant here. I'm not even really sure what a good church girl is doing on such a god-forsaken subreddi…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 02:51 AM
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Sure, but attraction is required nowadays for things like extroversion, or a great personality, to be of any benefit. Gotta get over that first hurdle before any of this shit women say they want in a man even matters. Men would do well to know this, as it's possible to be more attractive; and not much will matter until that work has been put in. That's why this looksmaxxing silliness is such a fad right now... because people are correctly identifying (in sometimes very shallow ways) that being a…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 02:38 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 02:21 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 02:19 AM
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This seems like faked ragebait shit, or he's failing on his role as paypiggie "I'm short on cash and can't justify your suggestion of dinner before this other thing I've already planned to pay for" "Okay maybe you're not ready for a girlfriend right now. Goodbye and good luck" Women can be cruel, but this just seems fake
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 02:08 AM
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Absolute gem of a comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 02:02 AM
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You know what lots of smart women do as soon as they get out of college do? Aggressively pay off that debt with their well-paying jobs. What I'm saying is: to me (and probably most men) debt-free just means not being an idiot with borrowed money and not neglecting high interest loans in favor of fancy vacations or luxury things, but for some reason that seems to feel like oppression to a surprising number of women. Nobody is saying to not date women because they have a student loan they are payi…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 01:58 AM
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Right, but that exactly proves my point that personality isn't the most important thing. It's important only after another criteria is met - attractive. Therefore, it's second. Are you just trying to avoid looking at this through simple logic, or does this genuinely not make sense to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 01:42 AM
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I've actually never seen it used in that context, but have seen it used in the context I just mentioned. Perhaps that's just how you're interpreting it through your "smash the patriarchy" lens, and ignoring the fact that it's possible for women to be stupid with money.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 08:37 PM
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It is women who are educated who are far more oft to have this smug aura that they are better, or smarter because of it. Especially true when talking about women who studied liberal arts. I'm not in trades, but I've met some brilliant guys who work the trades; and I commonly see these guys get treated like worthless, idiotic trash by... you guessed it... university educated women. And these guys often outearn the very women that look down on them.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 08:28 PM
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"paid to send mails" And "paid to set up meetings and get status updates from the people who actually do the work"
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 08:25 PM
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A normal relationship back when people paired up young, sure. These days it depends entirely on how much her sexual appetite has been spoiled by experiences with AFs.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 08:15 PM
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Spot on.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 08:07 PM
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Well if a guy can't even get his foot in the door if he's not attractive enough, then I would say the most important thing is looks; and if you wouldn't date a guy with a great personality because he's not attractive: again, what is the most important thing? If you had said personality is one of the most important things, then I wouldn't be grilling you; but here we are.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 08:03 PM
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Women in positions of authority also tend to not know how to command respect. In the OPs example, she just ran to someone who could command respect instead of doing it herself. The outcome is that the student probably respects her even less, and stuff like this is probably exactly why he was already so disrespectful towards her to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 07:38 PM
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Because obviously your standards aren't working for you if you're this jaded.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 07:25 PM
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given that debt free is usually code for not college educated Not really. It just means men shouldn't marry women that have poor financial foresight, like racking up their credit card with silly luxury purchases and unnecessarily expensive vacations and travel - which happens far more often than I'm sure women would like to admit.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 07:21 PM
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By all means, keep dating the unrealistic options who only want sex without commitment. But, remember that you're just further isolating yourself from the men you should be considering if you were being realistic. Not every woman can get commitment from the handsome guy with an 8-figure bank account, but many have been deluded into this false version of reality where every woman apparently deserves just that and shouldn't by any means settle for less.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 07:08 PM
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They think that women should choose men fairly Realistically is the correct word. Hypergamy isn't fair in what we consider to be an egalitarian society where people should be seeking out their equal, but it's the way things are. If women would date realistically (AKA men who are their equals or only slightly better), they wouldn't get burned so much trying to compete in rosters of only the top echelon of men in terms of looks, money, status, etc. At the end of the day, you do you; but you can't …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 06:47 PM
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[several paragraphs in response to someone calling out the false premise] You can STFU and STFD about my "gaslighting" now, thanks 😁
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 05:32 PM
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I don't have to waste my time reading the whole post when the first sentence is so blatantly untrue while also disparaging towards men.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 05:23 PM
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Because you claimed personality is literally the most important thing, when you yourself are implying that attraction is a top priority.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 05:18 PM
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Classic projection. "I'm not gaslighting, you are!" I've known lots of sexist guys, and never once heard anything along the lines of "women exist solely for men's benefit"
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 05:15 PM
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the point of our existence is to placate and pacify men. Nobody says this but women. Women put a hilarious amount of words in men's mouths
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 05:10 PM
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I mean, it starts with teaching young women to understand the class of men they should be looking towards to reliably get commitment from, instead of encouraging them to shoot for the stars and sleep with the high-status or highly attractive guys who are rotating through women. The reason so many women feel like they're settling is because they 1) are told not to settle, 2) are encouraged to date around and even try out the bad boys and womanizers, 3) falsely believe that sex with the top tier o…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 05:04 PM
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So why do women blast men so hard for having any sort of standards when it comes to looks and attraction? Women treat it as a moral issue when a man doesn't want to date a woman because she isn't attractive to him, but they don't apply the same when a woman doesn't want to date a guy because of lack of attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 04:58 PM
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Personality is the most important thing, but sometimes as women when we express a desire to be with a man we are attracted to and decide not to give a man we don't find attractive a chance. We get shamed for it Clearly personality isn't the most important thing if the unattractive guy doesn't get a chance. If personality was the most important thing, then average looking guys with great personalities wouldn't struggle in the slightest. You get shamed for it because women love to claim, in theory…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 04:52 PM
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Huge point. The guy who gets milked for his time and attention by a manipulative and consuming woman who senses his desperation is told he's an asshole. The woman who gets milked for sex by the manipulative and consuming male is comforted and led to believe she did nothing wrong - oftentimes repeating her mistake
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 05:05 AM
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told they're trying to derail women's issues This. You bring up a men's issue, and no woman will hear it - just interrupts with "well what about X?!" (X being some marginally to grossly falsifiable claim about wage gap, reproductive privileges [yes - privileges], or whatever the flavor of the month is for women finding something to feel oppressed over) There are even guys running the male feminist software who will do the same shit. Anyone saying "You're trying to derail women's issues" is guilt…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 04:52 AM
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Yes, because you asked him to interpret something through his feelings... which is not the way a man navigates the world around him. Another example of why male-female friendships are kind of doomed from the start.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 02:37 AM
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We certainly don't sit around and gossiping the whole time we hang out.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 12:34 AM
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Acquaintances is exactly the right word. I have female acquaintances that I can enjoy spending time with in a group dynamic every now and then, but to say they are friends isn't exactly right
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 09:23 PM
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Why is everybody so afraid to admit that male-female friendships usually involve one side pining for the other? You would also have to be pretty feminine as a guy to have enough in common with a woman to be strictly platonic.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 08:56 PM
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I'm saying there are a lot of bad takes where evo-psych is used that are cope. There are also guys that cope by denying evo-psych on principle because some things are too harsh of a truth to accept if you were raised to be a good boy.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 08:11 PM
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But I think that's the extent of the difference. If anything, men make worse, at least far riskier partners. I don't think so. Most men are selfless doormats for women, and these men can get relationships once women move on from the phase of dating and casually seeing the complete opposite type of man. Most women have at least one or a few of these doormats dying to date them, but they still choose the men that make for risky partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 07:47 PM
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If it fits their argument and the logic is sound, I don't see what's so bad about it. All innovation in science and general thought starts out as guessing based on patterns.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 07:42 PM
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It's so rare to find this, though. If you did, awesome. Congrats. I know of couples that met each other relatively young and jived well, but the people that make this work are a miniscule group in comparison to the sea of singles who have had to play the game and repeatedly be let down. Everyone gets jaded by that.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 05:04 AM
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Keeping body fat down is very very hard as well even past age 30. Not nearly as hard as people make it out to be. Just eat less junk, drink less sugar drinks and alcohol, and walk and exercise more. It's really that simple. Hard to be fat when you're eating freshly prepared food instead of processed, highly palatable crap.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 04:54 AM
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they'll pull anything they want out of their ass to explain why their preferred kind of person is the best one. That's always cope
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 04:49 AM
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There is that, but it's not up to you to tell a stranger online that they are coping
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 02:53 AM
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That's a good call-out. Hunters have always been wiry. Only when modern agriculture and readily available carbs came into the picture could people actually get a decent amount of hypertrophic muscle growth, as well as fat. The idea that pre-historic hunters looked like impressive bodybuilders is laughable. It takes a lot of physical work to produce food, as anybody who hunts, gardens, fishes, etc. will tell you.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 02:32 AM
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You believe in evolution, right? The species closest and furthest from us generally align under the rule that the most genetically dominant male reproduces - and that's often a very physical thing. Exceptions exist, but the vast majority of species operate on this principle. To deny it just because it doesn't suit your worldview that women don't in general like physically impressive men is kind of gives anti-evolution vibes tbh They say brains are better than braun, but my belief is that women e…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 02:17 AM
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Most people seem to accept that there is a sort of deep-seated genetic memory, and a lot of people love psychology... so I don't get why people are so dismissive of evo-psych. Shit, evolution is hard to prove; so there are still a lot of people that believe some sort of creator did all this.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 02:07 AM
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there is an attractiveness in when somebody just lives their life not worried about what other people think It takes longer than most would like to learn this skill if you weren't taught it by your parents/upbringing.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 08:39 AM
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I've been most successful with women when I act like a retarded love island frat boy. I can't even begin to describe how much this resonated with me.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 08:34 AM
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It was you that attributed Christianity to virginity as we know it and linked it to this conversation ... ?? As far as I know, Christian men were, and still sort of are, held to the same standard to remain chaste until marriage. I'm not seeing this misogyny behind virginity you're dreaming up.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 08:31 AM
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Taming carnal instincts and furthering civilization with tightly formed unions and strong nuclear families is ...misogyny? wat?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 08:25 AM
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Totally depends on who your lovers were. Even one under-employed vagrant and/or drug-dealer and it's a no from me edit: downvote? lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 08:20 AM
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It's not statutory rape when it's a young dude scoring, or at least that's what women and their simp followers (who, together, make up a sort of modern Moral Majority) want to make you believe. It seems like people forget two things: Women benefit from a ridiculous amount of double standards Women are just as creepy as men
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 07:43 AM
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Exactly my point. Setting the stage for a guy to approach isn't initiating at the level that guys have to, but women love pretending it is and framing conversations around this as if it were.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 07:12 AM
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If you let yourself go, then absolutely you aren't going to be more attractive with age. No woman has ever found a limp, bad posture, or beer gut appealing.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 07:05 AM
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I've had lots of women that are very particularly into me, but they've never asked me out. They absolutely can and did say yes when I do the asking out, so I definitely wouldn't put money on a woman making the first move if she likes a guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 07:01 AM
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I don't think I said that.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 06:55 AM
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When the average age gap is greater than zero, it means most women are dating older men. It's not that uncommon to see a woman dating a man 10 years older than her, but far more common to see a woman dating a man 2-3 years older.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 05:36 AM
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Greater than zero? Great! I can safely say women, on average, date older men. And you probably met him as a teenage redditor. You won, congrats.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 04:10 AM
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It's half and half. On one hand it's "women are great and I shouldn't bother them" - which, good luck... because women don't initiate as a general rule. You have to be willing to take a chance if there's even the slightest sign she's attracted. 99 times out of 100, she's not going to ask you out; so really, it's the man's birthright duty. On the other hand, it's "I feel like I need to carry on, but man this relationship is slowly killing me and I don't know what to do." These guys end up divorce…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 01:14 AM
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There's some real truth in this no matter what pill you are. There's the blue pill take of "just leave women alone because you're making them uncomfortable, and that's not cool... maaan," and the red pill take of "women are highly intrigued by an attractive guy who is indifferent towards them in a world of over-validating simps."
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 01:08 AM
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It's a male-feminist grounded viewpoint, so it's definitionally blue-pilled
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 01:03 AM
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Women have plot armor in this scenario. A man has to deal with the fact that there might be a guy who can choke him out, and male vs male competition often devolves to this when adrenaline is flowing. The pen is mightier than the sword, but the sword is still how a lot of men resort to dealing with problems, disagreements, or just generally asserting dominance.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 12:59 AM
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For men, there are way too many horror stories about doing this. There's also horror stories of women picking fights that their men must then come fight, but that's kind of a tangent I thought might not be appropriate for this topic. People knock anecdotes, but as they say: the smart man learns from his own mistakes, and the wise man learns from the mistakes of others
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 12:54 AM
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With coffee dates, the main draw is that if you don't like the person after a few minutes then it's totally fine to just wrap up the date and take the coffee to go. Much harder and more awkward to do that on a hike, or at a restaurant before the food comes out; And, you can't expect guys to pay movie theatre prices for women they aren't sure about.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 11:27 PM
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have no idea what other women are choosing Are you saying we don't have eyes and can't see which guys do really well with women (AKA the men women are choosing)?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 11:15 PM
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Women don't want to lose their simps to third world women, so they rightfully shame and demonize the practice. You shouldn't pay these women any mind, though. They don't want you, they just want to control you. They're trying to claw back the power they fear they are losing.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 11:05 PM
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Exactly. There's a small subset of men of any particular younger age that women of the same age want, and the rest just have to work hard until said women realize not everyone can have the star athlete or the guy who comes from wealth. The phrase "women wait at the finish line and pick the winner" didn't just materialize out of thin air.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 11:02 PM
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Great question. I think a lot of the women here really don't think before saying things.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 11:00 PM
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morality [...] of course [...] has an effect on attraction. If this were true, drug dealers and criminals wouldn't be fighting off women with a stick; yet here we are. So when getting to know a woman her revealing herself to a bad person or good person in your estimation doesn’t impact your overall attraction to her? I can be attracted to someone while simultaneously being displeased with their character, and I can also be not attracted to someone and think they're a great person. Character and …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 10:56 PM
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Thanks for proving that conversations with you are a complete waste of time.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 10:46 PM
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Tell us you're a chad chaser without telling us lmfao
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 09:30 PM
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The average age-gap is three years, not zero; so the statistics suggest that women largely date older men, and I think it's very common for 18-22 year old women to be dating older, more established guys edit: downvote an established statistic... ok
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 09:27 PM
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Women, even with gender parity, still receive scholarships, middle-management positions, professional school admissions, etc. at a rate far higher than men. I seem to recall seeing a statistic where there are about three to four times as many scholarships available to women as there are scholarships available to men, and men are still competing with women for most of that small subset of scholarships they can compete for. It's even probable that some of the most lucrative scholarships are only a…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 09:16 PM
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The women his age aren't really selecting for potential. It's not until he has actualized his potential that "age appropriate" women will consider him as an option, and usually that's after they've spent around a decade dating older men - you know, guys with a lot more to offer than guys their age who haven't reached their potential yet.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 09:01 PM
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So I should just start seeing women as the inferior sex because you, supposedly an expert on what is the red pill, say that's what I'm supposed believe? lol
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 08:58 PM
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Most women will not date a guy long-term unless he can lead the relationship, and conversely most women won't date a man who is passive and struggles to lead a relationship. Exceptions obviously exist, but they certainly don't make the rule. If the majority of women want the guy to take the lead, that means they must fall into some kind of follower (submissive) role.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 08:40 PM
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For example, red pill, one of the very core red pill beliefs is that women are always 100% inherently and profoundly inferior to any man she chooses to date or have sex with. That's not a core belief of the red pill at all. It could be a belief of some hyper-sexist guys who may or may not be red pilled. I think women excel in a lot of things men are generally weaker at - socializing being just one example. Now, if you said women naturally want a man that is superior to them - I'd agree, but you'…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 04:32 PM
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But what is she following? Did you even read my comment? I very clearly answered this.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 04:19 PM
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It's talking about a natural state. I certainly don't want a whipped woman who obeys every command like a slave. I want a woman that innately wants to follow me - that's the submission part. And, I think most women deep down want to find a man they can follow. Why do you think the nonchalant commitment phobic guys do the best? because they live their lives on their terms and lots of women naturally want to follow a guy that is like that. There is no lack of women in situationships with guys like…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 12:41 AM
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Agreed. Women want a challenge. The guy who is easy and comes polished is boring, but I think women also wonder why this guy is trying so hard on them specifically - and letting women fill in the blanks is always a bad idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 12:33 AM
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Definitely. Not every woman has a height fetish, but most of them don't want to have to look down on their man. IMO, just be taller than she is.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 12:29 AM
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Patrice said it best. Women are on the same level as lower-level celebrities just because vagina.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 07:22 AM
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The entire night felt like I had to keep the conversation going. Bro. You're in your early 20s and the young lady is attracted to you enough to entertain a date... Of course the conversation will be awkward unless you lead it properly. You can't give up or broad brush because of one experience. Learn from it and figure out how to lead conversations with women that don't go stale. If her only hobbies are gaming and erotica, she's trying to appeal to what she thinks you want her to be; which means…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 07:07 AM
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A work husband is just an innocent distraction from that other guy she is actually cheating on hubby with
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 07:01 AM
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So, you shouldn't have to put in effort to appeal to the opposite sex? Is that what you're saying?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 06:57 AM
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I'm with you. This giving up horseshit that a lot of guys are doing is kind of sad, but you get called a simp or pedestalizer if you tell men there are pathways to succeeding with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 06:55 AM
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People focus too much on a "formula" instead of, let's call it, touching grass. You can't just learn this stuff by reading about it alone. You also have to go out and try stuff to see what works for you. Experiment a bit. So many guys are stuck on that first difficult level and need the cheat code or else they just quit. A unique personality that is likeable goes a long way with all people, but you have to develop it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 05:58 AM
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All guys can be more attractive to women, but it takes time, physical exertion (play a sport, work out every now and then, etc), study, practice, etc. The best way for most guys to go about dating is to become more like the guy that women want, then play the field - not even in a womanizing way, but just non-committal until you've heard enough of various women's bullshit and found someone that's cool. The confusing part is that you can't listen to what women say they want. That would be just sil…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 05:45 AM
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In general, not a lot of women are marrying men that earn less. In casual dating, sure; but not marriage, where women tend to make deliberate choices - eg: the guy is higher earning, very attractive or otherwise physically impressive/domineering, etc. And most women aren't bending over backwards for guys that earns less, unless he is miles more attractive comparatively speaking - in which case, hypergamy would be satisfied and she busts her butt for the relationship out of respect for him.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 05:46 PM
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Do women naturally oppress themselves via hypergamy? Just saw a slop women's-oppression opinion piece talking about how higher earning women do more work around the home, and it's pretty obvious why that is when you consider most women will seek partners that earn more (AKA prestigious, stressful, and/or highly productive jobs requiring longer hours) and have less time to help out; but the article made no mention of this. So tiresome.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 04:31 PM
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Just because social attacks (which women overwhelming use compared to men), such as gossip/rumor-based character assassination, aren't as easily punished by law doesn't make them less abhorrent.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 08:07 PM
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So, because I didn't explicitly say "put in a lot of effort into them" as to be redundant ... you're going to assume as much as to put words in my mouth? interesting strategy
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 12:44 AM
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I didn't say that at all
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 12:28 AM
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Of course you have to practice and put in some level of work into the aspects of life that make you attractive - sport, charm, etc. For some, it's more about being being born into it - be it good genetics, a good social environment, an athletic upbringing, or some/all of the above. All of the above is basically the essence of "chad." I basically just said red pill is about guys unlocking chad as mid-to-late bloomers.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 12:18 AM
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Push-pull and hot-cold don't work unless you have balance between the two extremes. You can't effectively pull without an effective push, and you can't become cold if you didn't start off as hot.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 06:55 PM
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Nothing against her, but I want a family of my own. There's also no shortage of guys who would step up for that deal, so I'm not really sure why my decision matters.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 06:29 PM
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source?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 06:28 PM
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The kicker is that most women don't like guys who have to put in a lot of effort, and consequently these women are often seen going for men that have to put in very little effort. Red pill is more just a journey of going from the guy who has to put in a lot of effort for little reward to the guy who can get a lot of reward for little effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 06:13 PM
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Dread game isn't hot-cold/push-pull like you've described. It's something entirely different, where one deliberately instills a sense dread and FOMO in a woman by doing things like hitting on other women, or renting a nice apartment right next to the bar where lots of hot, single women hang out. It's like non-ethical high-pressure sales tactics.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 06:10 PM
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Right? Combative to the core that one is.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 08:38 PM
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And they conveniently leave out that said autistic ugly guy comes from a wealthy family or some other thing that is really important in why he isn't struggling with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 05:06 PM
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What world do you live in where a couple with kids doesn't require both parents working career type jobs? We aren't going back to the days of single income families, so I'm curious why you're dooming out about how a guy will expect you to just put your life, career, and everything else on hold for 20 years; unless you're literally only aiming for the cream of the crop that can still afford this and is also attractive - probably swimming in options, too.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 05:08 AM
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Zero sum game*
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 08:43 PM
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Lmao at the projection and hypocrisy. "I think I'm the best. Why do men think they're the best? They gotta stop that!"
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 08:38 PM
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AND THEN, after 20 years he can leave you for a new model. Who would WANT that?? Massive doomer mindset. If you treat him well, he's likely going to stay forever. Even with most beta men, you can treat them like shit and they'll still stick around. I'm not sure where this mindset that men as a whole are going to leave you high and dry. Last I checked, women initiate divorce far more; especially those that are college educated. And it is my guess that most divorces are initiated because the woman…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 08:34 PM
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This begs the question
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 05:12 PM
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Agreed. If you lack socially in any way or don't lean into being a fuckboy as an attractive dude, lots of women will disqualify you.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 05:08 PM
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'The indoctrination into RP is "I want to know the truth because everything I've been told seems wrong".' Fixed.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 04:51 PM
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Condoms and toys exist, birth control, plan B pill for condom breaks, etc. If you want hedonistic sex without the baby, you've got to get with the technology and take measures; repeated terminations of pregnancies probably isn't good.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 07:33 PM
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Well to be fair, there is a certain amount of entitlement to be expected when you legit tell young boys and men to "work hard and be a nice person and you'll meet a great girl someday."
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 07:23 PM
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That's your opinion, but I disagree. All sorts of men will tell tales of digging themselves out of deep depression by starting some new hobby or career, "touching grass," and perhaps quitting an addiction or two. Of course there are tough cases where people absolutely need some kind of therapy, but this go talk about feelings once a week for 30 minutes is half a scam. That's like paying to have a friend to talk to.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 07:12 PM
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You don't understand what I'm saying. Men are action-oriented. A man's cure for sadness is getting better through action, like training for a marathon, hitting the gym, learning an instrument, etc. We express emotion in different ways, so the female dominated industry for psychotherapy and counselling is really catered towards women. A good vent every now and then definitely helps a guy, and that's where some good friends come in. Men talk about the thing, not how the thing made them feel.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 06:52 PM
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Don't tease. Show the finished product, please.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 02:25 AM
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It kind of does. Height is a huge determinant in physical presence, and women generally want to feel small with their man. Many women will admit this, and it's kind of blackpilling for shorter guys. Chad isn't just a chiseled jawline and attractive face... it's a vibe.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 02:22 AM
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Yeah, alcohol is a crutch.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 02:10 AM
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Gossip is a powerful tool for throwing shade at a specific person, behavior, etc. to reinforce the status quo, but it can and does get used maliciously to spread lies. Everybody remembers those rumors that would float around in high-school, and that's a perfect example of malicious gossip. It's probably a sin because it stood as a force that could have undermined the church or organized religion
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 10:10 PM
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Now the thing is, I absolutely mog him; I'm taller, more handsome, better body.. I can smell the insecurity through the screen
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 10:01 PM
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I wouldn't say aren't willing to, but a lot of the time emotional vulnerability in men just takes the form of negative venting (aka complaining); and most men would likely agree with me that a guy complaining about his issues is annoying at best. I'm not saying that's all emotional vulnerability is or can be, but for men that seems to be the purest form. We gain very little by talking about our feelings, because we aren't as in touch with our emotions or as feelings-driven as women are; so all t…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 09:49 PM
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A lot of guys are raised on this idea that giving her "princess treatment" will make her fall in love, but women here love to play the "nuh-uh" card and say all this shit about looks and other immutable characteristics is common sense - when, really, it's not.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 06:20 PM
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Have you not been paying attention to the "ick" trend? It's pretty clear that women can lose respect and attraction for a man because of him acting a certain way or doing certain things. A guy could be the most supportive, kind person ever, and of all of those things don't really matter if the respect isn't there because it was lost. Far more "icks" are associated with blue pilled behavior, and that's partially because blue pillers aren't aware of shit tests. Fail a shit test and she loses respe…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 05:59 PM
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This is an important topic that really doesn't get talked about enough. Why do women run back to authoritative men that slap them around? I've seen it enough to be able to say it's a thing. Is it daddy issues or something? We can later ask why some men think it's okay to slap women around, but let's save it for another day.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 12:36 AM
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Lesser of two evils is the basis of American politics, if you ignore the dumb 2024 election. Dems should have run one of the 4 or 5 other people that could have stood a chance
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 12:25 AM
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That's really just sex addiction. And no doubt attractive guys that are really good with women are probably the most addicted to sex per capita. Besides those guys (which is the other 95+% of men), I don't think most guys have a ton of time to think about women like perhaps some led to believe; because life is already so busy as it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 12:06 AM
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When men consider the women that use them for foodie dates as options we can have this conversation. It’s the same complaint as women saying men use them for sex. You didn't think this through at all. There's a huge difference. When a guy is a foodie date guy, all he can get is foodie dates. It's literally his only option if he wants to date. When a woman gets used for sex, she's often choosing that particular guy over at least handful of other guys that want a relationship with her and wouldn't…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 11:38 PM
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But that doesn't change the fact that a guy in his 30s will likely have more prospects than a guy in his 20s by virtue of age and accumulated wealth. Perhaps that is to say that there are no shortage of quasi-prostitutes who are willing to give intimacy to a man for a decent payday.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 11:32 PM
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I'm not sure people are looking at it as the handsome silver fox in most cases. Some maybe. Men age like wine because women want things from men that are earned over time. Not many 20-somethings out there with lots of money, status, AND maturity, but in the mid 30s a guy can definitely be reaching his stride and opening up a wide array of dating options not previously available to him.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 11:30 PM
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Because women appreciate a mans maturity, his status and financial position earned over time through hard work, and other things that come primarily with age. Women do care a lot about looks, but most guys definitely do better as they get older; where I'm not sure you could necessarily say the same about women.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 11:29 PM
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Simps to the left of me, jesters to the right; here I am, fighting hoeflation with you
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 11:19 PM
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People underestimate the power of the text message. The coupling rate looks like it really started to fall when cell phones became something everyone had.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 11:15 PM
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I think most guys are happy so long as she enjoys herself as they do their thing (within reason), and of course the woman can set boundaries. Plus, not every guy wants to do the depraved shit; but they probably would do it if you asked them.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 09:37 PM
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What compels a happily married woman to be a top 1% commenter on a board like this?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 06:42 PM
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Why doesn't that surprise me?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 06:36 PM
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In the wife-material Q4M from a few days ago, there was one guy, maybe two, in the entire thread who made it about sex. The other 95% of responses were basically about character (wholesome values, morals, etc). If "tons of men" here claim women are only good for sex, why does the wife material thread paint such a different picture? https://np.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/1t78fno/what_is_wife_material_and_why_women_should_want/ weekly N count thread A containment thread is so far from p…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 05:17 PM
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I think there are a few guys here who feel that way, but I see more guys talking about how sex is just a bonus on top of what they actually want - which is companionship and building something with a great woman that respects them.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 04:08 PM
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Black pill is that looks are the only thing that matters. Red pill is that most guys grow up being given shit advice for being attractive to women or about what women want. Blue pill is "you'll find a woman who loves you for who you are" and still living by the shit advice that red pillers reject.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 04:05 PM
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I think it's just a kind of lip-service when they realize an unattractive guy who treats them right is better than the attractive guy who treats them like shit - that's where they say "at first we were just friends, but then xyz happened and I realized he was the one"
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 03:56 PM
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No women usually know if they want a man. It’s not a “slow emotional realization.” Lots of women say the exact opposite, where they need a slow-burn that eventually leads to a spark.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 03:45 PM
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OP is committing the classic female fallacy of thinking men only want sex because they only go for guys that want them for sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 03:38 PM
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Sometimes they become over-moderated by people who care more about power and policing speech than the actual topic of the sub - which is effectively a takeover, but a more detailed example of how they happen
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 09:21 PM
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Millennials came of age in a time where everything was about sex. A different movie about getting laid, or shaming guys who can't get laid, was coming out every week. The entire mainstream part of the music industry was centred around music about getting laid, doing drugs, and partying. It just doesn't occur to some people who spent their formative years inundated with "you're a loser unless you're chasing tail" messaging that a generation where this pressure is toned down will be more relaxed (…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 09:14 PM
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I've actually noticed a while ago that the supposed grass touchers here spend 10-50x more time on Reddit than the people they criticize. Yep. Lots of the time these people punch down a lot here too. I don't get what drives a happily married woman to be here, let alone to become a top 1% poster - but that's seems to be the majority of 1%ers
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 09:03 PM
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It's the repurposed nurturing drive that women have that generally goes towards offspring. When it doesn't go towards kids, it often goes towards those perceived as helpless - pets (cat-ladies), refugees (and other SJW causes), criminals, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 09:00 PM
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Bingo. If the timing isn't right for whatever reason, I'm not going to patiently wait around until it is - and if you can't let me know, I'm taking it as disinterest.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 08:52 PM
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Most people (other than the guys who are victims of the ghosting) are fine with women doing it, because something something her safety is paramount... idk There's all of this talk about men being bad communicators, but nothing the other way when women are equally as bad - if not worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 08:48 PM
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Women are often the ones to just ghost rather than sending a simple message like "Sorry, the spark isn't there," so do women want men they don't want to be confused and hurt? Hell, some women even let guys orbit for years despite knowing the guys are interested and not having reciprocal interest. All of these stories of brutal reactions to rejection are probably from when women strung along guys far too long despite knowing of their interest and potential intentions.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 08:44 PM
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Men are often left to find out that a women isn't interested, and this realization is usually after he's been ghosted or she has otherwise gone cold for a few weeks. Why is it a problem when the shoe is on the other foot?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 07:11 PM
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A car salesman doesn't have to be a scumbag, but manipulative sales tactics basically guarantee the best car salesmen will be scumbags
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 07:06 PM
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Perfection comes from practice, so not trying just stalls progress. You're not wrong, though - about him doing something wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 04:33 PM
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Put this responsibility on women and watch 80/20 turn into 95/5
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 04:16 PM
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The problem with being nice is that the most guys who are good, kind people don't want to make women uncomfortable while also not wanting to deal with the discomfort of rejection themselves, so they never push boundaries and see what's possible. They kind of rely on the women being the initiator, and it just doesn't work like that in most cases.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 12:49 AM
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"What was she wearing" is actually a very valid question, and I'm tired of pretending it's not.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 12:41 AM
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That statistic actually makes sense to me. From basically the time a girl is entering grade school, she's inundated with this "girls rule, boys drool" messaging that continues to escalate in how disparaging and dehumanizing it is. That is to say, misandry is essentially reinforced from a very early age; and nobody is talking about how this unfettered misandry might shape how girls view boys in a toxic way. Meanwhile, a boy says something even slightly sexist and it's detention or suspension. In …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 04:28 PM
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It's actually kind of not normal (not saying it's bad, just not common) for a woman to be fine with a guy having manchild hobbies like video games and card collecting, or at least has been my experience. Usually these relationships seem to only work when the two have been dating since highschool.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 06:43 PM
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It's pretty hard to find women this down to earth unless you are high-school sweethearts. If she's dated around a bit and tried a couple different guys out, chances are good the video games and pokemon cards will potentially be grounds for disqualification.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 06:41 PM
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Yes, and I think the goal was to draw out a few responses of guys saying "cooks, cleans, sucks dick" so the OP can use it as an example to say all guys think that's what wife material is. It's refreshing to see your take, because I think that's far closer to what the average guy sees wife-material as.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 04:30 PM
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I think the women that will accept a hardcore gamer pales in comparison to women that see it as an ick. People can be different, but patterns still emerge.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 04:24 PM
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Women are trying to bait guys into saying "somebody who cooks and cleans and sucks my dick," but this is exactly it - just somebody who fills the ride or die role.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 04:17 PM
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The meanings are pretty clear. When you say "chad," lots of guys know exactly what is meant by it; and the same goes for simp and other terms. You tend to have this "that's fake and made up" take to anything guys say here. Furthermore, I think you have it backwards. Women tend to ghost guys who are too interested, and chase the validation of that guy who seems uninterested; which is why advice like wait for her to text, or wait x hours/days before texting back, exists.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 04:09 PM
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Women will deny this, but it's so true. One of the best things a guy can have going for him is a reputation as a player. It's intriguing to lots of women, where word travels.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 03:50 PM
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I think a lot of women know they're getting into something with a player. I've seen real life examples of women getting played by married men that they knew were married going into it, or going for the guy everybody knows is a player - and to no surprise, they got played. It's convenient for women to go "I didn't know and he lovebombed me," but I think, in a lot of cases, they did know and knew exactly what was going to happen. They welcome the chaos and uncertainty for a chance to tame the beas…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 03:42 PM
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Profit incentive? It absolutely makes sense that if you could pay women less for the same work, they would be vastly over-represented; because lower operating costs for the same work would mean more profit. Most teachers and nurses are women because women are overrepresented in HEAL careers because they are innately nurturing. There are a variety of factors that explain why women on average don't earn as much as men do on average, but none of these are because employers can pay women less for th…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 09:15 PM
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So if women are getting paid less just because they're women, why isn't 100% of the work force women?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 08:27 PM
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Paying women less just because has been illegal for like half a century, pudding
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 08:19 PM
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Good luck getting women to be honest about that.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 04:04 PM
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It's pretty fucking obvious when a guy is infatuated. She said he's an orbiter because she knows. Even the most nonchalant guy will have easy tells when attracted.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 04:01 PM
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Exactly. Every second article about the topic is like: Younger men are falling behind in education, careers, home ownership, etc. Women most affected. They use mens issues as a podium to talk about how it impacts women, completely avoiding any sort of constructive discussion about the specific causes of men falling behind or how men can get back to parity.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 03:42 PM
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The just be yourself and find a nice woman that makes you laugh route?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 05:16 AM
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I don't think what you're saying is necessarily an absolute, but there is this thing that afflicts nice guys where many are allergic to making fast moves that might make a woman uncomfortable. Nice guys also tend to not call people (especially women) out on their shit, and women truly need a guy capable of this. Douchebags seem more successful because they aren't afraid to make people uncomfortable, so they're more likely to escalate quick and shoot their shot; rather than play the nice guy long…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 05:04 AM
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Fair point. More and more men are just resigning to the multiple ex-wives, or sugar-daddy, lifestyle, after all. Both roads can lead to women, but the good looking road at least has something less transactional underneath it all. I suppose if the sugar-daddy gets the women he wants at good deals, then it can be considered a win.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 04:48 AM
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Some guys do. Celebrities have a fanclub/groupies. Is the guy getting checked out a lot? that guy has options
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 04:37 AM
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If you know, you should at least say something so he has closure. He obviously doesn't have the guts to make the move. It's cruel to lead a guy on like that. He's playing long game, and you know he's not gonna win. Just let him know you guys are just friends, or something along those lines.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 03:41 AM
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For some it is, for others it is not. A guy who leads with his wallet and gets a girl that only wants him for his wallet is a loser in the end, but the guy who is or becomes attractive and gets to select from women that like him for who he is (looks and personality) has won.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 03:21 AM
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Ding ding ding. I think a decent chunk of red pilled guys are people who got strung along by women that knew the guy wanted them and didn't even have the decency to tell them to just move on. They beat around the bush with shit like "I'll help you dress better" or "you should meet my friend," not realizing the guy is already oneitising and attached.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 02:46 AM
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But have you picked up on his crush and told him you don't have feelings for him? Give him the common courtesy of telling him to stop trying and move on.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 02:43 AM
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Try to make her laugh isn't good advice for most men, because then they become clowns. The reality is that she'll find any reason to laugh at even the dumbest joke if she finds the guy attractive. The explicit message in that comic (funny is sexy) is completely obfuscating the implicit reality that laughter is an attraction indicator.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 02:32 AM
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Bingo. The pieces tend to fall into place if you even get her on the date in the first place as a guy she is attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 02:26 AM
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It's a classic Lilith post where she broad brushes, in a rather condescending manner, men based on some idea she has in her head because of a small number of conversations with one or two guys on this board that think they deserve a supermodel as average guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 02:25 AM
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Can you give me the option of a younger (say late 20s), fat feminist academic? Good dick and a solid diet and exercise plan would shape her. The gang member is for the streets.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 02:21 AM
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I know you aimed this at men, but women are actually the ones that need to hear this. I think guys are pretty good about knowing what our equal is, where women almost exclusively look to a perceived superior - the exceptional men in their reach. Like, how is it not clear that women naturally date up if they can? Not sure where this stereotype of an average looking guy being some hypergamous buffoon who thinks he'll get the billionaire supermodel comes from, but I think it's an extreme minority o…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 02:03 AM
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Why are you top 1% in a place full of losers?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 01:46 AM
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I feel similar, and I know exactly what you mean; but I won't say I haven't done things in the moment that I thought might impress women. That is to say: when I get the chance to share or show off some subtle detail where a woman might think "who the fuck is this guy?" in a curious and intrigued way, I don't hold back.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 01:43 AM
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I kind of agree, but I think there are cases where it could actually be a good sign early on if she's been developing and learning to not be as clingy - which might happen if she really likes you and doesn't want to scare you off. If she is kind of clingy in general, she will get clingier over time. It all depends on the specifics, but I would not make this an instant write-off unless she already has 2 strikes.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 01:37 AM
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This was my first thought, but there are absolutely not enough women that have the common courtesy to do this. Is it because orbiters are just way too useful while they play the long game?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 01:28 AM
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How obsessed is he?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 01:24 AM
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If you've spent any time on PPD at all, you should already know this happens regularly
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 10:06 PM
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Exactly, and I think 'choose better' is mainly used on insane women (who grossly overreact to the advice, instead of looking inward and seeing the source of the problem - themselves).
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 09:29 PM
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They tell you what they want No they don't. They expect you to read their mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 08:58 PM
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I'm really not sure how you've managed to interpret it in such a way. Are you just pretending not to understand?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 06:55 PM
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A 16th century king is your counter-point? lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 05:35 PM
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Not really. It's more of an "I don't want to hear your whining if you're going to keep repeating the same mistakes" in the general context that people use it in.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 05:25 PM
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That's your interpretation of the phrase in the context of the discussion? Yikes
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 05:13 PM
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If it's made up, why can so many guys relate to the phrase "watch what they do, not what they say"
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 03:26 PM
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Anne could make a trashbag look good.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 09:39 PM
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Women have been dehumanizing men for decades and nobody batted an eye - eg: all men are dogs. Now that the shoe is on the other foot, suddenly it's a problem. Adding it to the double standard list.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 09:29 PM
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First the cock, then the balls?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 08:57 PM
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Men are far more ridiculed and criticized for thinking with their little heads than women are. Woman falls in love with and marries a handsome dirtbag that abuses her - the guy is far more likely to receive full blame. Man falls in love with and marries a hot psycho that abuses him - the guy is far more likely to receive full blame.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 08:56 PM
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I think he's actually hinting at the need to curb women getting with shitty men in the first place
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 08:53 PM
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Because if women actually punished, or disapproved of, shitty behavior, deadbeat types, abusive assholes, etc. wouldn't be nearly as sexually successful as they are; and conversely, good men (like women claim to want) would be fighting women off with a stick... In reality, good men are majorly the ones left to sift through the scraps that dirtbags left behind - when it should be the other way around if you take women for their word. The numbers really speak to how women, in a sense, enable shitt…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 08:46 PM
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This might have sounded good in your head, but try running this by women - who get insane leverage in divorces because of having kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 08:38 PM
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Women only "glorify" stepdads in the sense that they think they are good boys (like a dog) that give them assurance that someone will always be there to pick up the pieces. Most men are somewhere between indifferent and pitying when it comes to stepfathers. If a guy wants to pay a premium to be the guy that picks up the pieces and deal with the baggage, then that's his choice. Couldn't be me.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 08:25 PM
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Incredible point
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 08:06 PM
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I'm not exactly sure it's all about avoiding confrontation. I think there's at least a small element of "if he can't learn because I don't tell him why, he'll stay exactly where he is in case I might need to call on him some day." Nothing seems to bruise a woman's ego more than seeing a guy she thought was obsessed with her (and would stick around forever) move on.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 08:00 PM
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From "no" to "no shit dude." Yeah, I'll pass on giving you an example.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 07:54 PM
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Thanks for agreeing with me that it's entirely possible for people hurt by an individual to generalize the overall population. Do you have an example? Why would I provide an example when you've already shown such dismissiveness to a previous anecdote?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 06:25 PM
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Psychopaths only represent a tiny portion of the overall population, so I think there's more to it than just they mask their dark-triad nature well. There are pretty sound hypotheses and data suggesting that women actually do select for dark-triad (and adjacent) traits and behaviors. I think it's a case of "fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me." If we don't hold women at least somewhat accountable for choosing bad men (especially repeat cases), they'll never feel responsible an…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 06:09 PM
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Yes, I do blame them; because they are more likely to get the life-lesson out of the mistake, where that lesson might be lost if they are made to feel like they aren't accountable for their fuck-up.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 05:54 PM
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I'm not so sure about that. I've seen several women get really hateful and untrusting towards men in general after a bad experience with a player, and there's a somewhat common topic in pill discussions about how the monogamous provider-guy is punished for the actions of the womanizer.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 05:50 PM
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I think most bluepilled relationships are actually unhealthy. They generally involve the guy not standing up for himself, bending to the woman's whims and nagging, and lots of shit testing that will lead to loss of attraction and respect. If you find the red pill mid relationship, of course it's going to be jarring on the relationship to change so drastically; but, if a guy finds the red pill mid relationship: I'd be inclined to think that relationship was already big-time on the rocks for him t…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 03:25 PM
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Do speed swimmers wear two piece bikinis?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 10:23 PM
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This. Nobody is making women capitalize on the fact that sex sells. It's a deliberate choice on their part to put on the skimpy leotards and hooker boots.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 10:19 PM
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Like I don't know where this comment is going.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 07:49 PM
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Are you really asking that question on PPD? lmao Perhaps I'm not detecting the sarcasm.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 07:39 PM
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I'm not saying a woman can't learn from mistakes, grow, and change what she expects out of a partner, but I am also not saying a guy should be forced to play hard mode when she was easy before.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 07:36 PM
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No. I said approaching (which is I think what you're talking about when you mention "saying hi") can be considered a hoop in specific contexts. You're just trying to see what you want to see and ignoring the rest. Textbook confirmation bias.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 06:04 PM
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This comment hits the nail on the head, so it's really not surprising that someone broke rule 2 in a reply. The gist of the jumping through hoops conversation, as it relates to dating and intimacy, is that some guys have to do things that other guys don't in order to get into intimate relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 06:02 PM
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If by saying hi you actually mean approaching (and I think you do), then perhaps it could be argued that is a hoop; especially if she approaches the men she wants to hook up with on the short-term but makes long-term options approach her.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 05:49 PM
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I personally don't think that saying hi or having a conversation is a hoop to jump through, because it's just a basic part of social interaction that everybody has to do. Hoops to jump through are things that some guys have to do before intimacy and others don't. Short term guy gets the benefits of intimacy without the personal investment the long term guy must put in, so the long term guy has to "jump through hoops."
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 05:09 PM
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It depends. If the woman is doing a mix of short term and long term when it comes to romance and intimacy, then guys who fall in the long-term camp might feel like they've been given the shit end of the stick when they have to invest way more than the guys the woman is seeing in the short-term.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 04:53 PM
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Jumping through hoops comes from how women run short and long term strategy depending on the guy. If the guy is short term (attractive but maybe a loser/broke/stupid) he doesn't have to do anything and instantly he's getting all of the benefits of a sexual/intimate relationship, but the long-term guys need to "prove themselves" in a variety of ways in order to get the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 04:45 PM
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There's lots of concern around teenage boys and how they are potentially interacting or being influenced by the manosphere, and people in general have way more compassion for youths than they do adults - especially male.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 04:19 PM
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Most women here aren't here to engage, or to "question what they believe." They're simply here to "punch down," and shame any man who is critical or jaded because of his experiences with women. This is actually a very good Q4M to demonstrate how little women care about what men think, because look who is the only woman actually getting involved in the comment section - hint: it's the OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 03:43 PM
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Getting women is a competitive thing, so of course it's winning amongst your fellow man to have good results; but a lot of guys definitely take shortcuts. Being a player is a basically low-key sex addiction with some other social song and dance going on. The real question is, how much should you base your life around this one competition? Especially if, for some, the reward really doesn't seem worth the effort required.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 10:30 PM
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You're not wrong, but I think we should definitely be looking at why couples fall out of love enough to start hating each other and how to keep the spark going.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 10:24 PM
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It's amazing how much people here will deny or downplay the experiences of others because they are so dead set on maintaining a world view where cruel women don't exist and all men are cruel.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 08:31 PM
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I find it kind of sad that women think it's fine to break apart a family for their own happiness while completely disregarding the impact it has on everyone else - especially children.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 08:17 PM
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It was always women who were against pickmes, because it's a "problem" and betrayal of the sisterhood when women pander to mens wants and desires.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 07:35 PM
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Women hate how true this is. They'd like to believe the red pill is pushed on men inorganically, but the truth for most guys is that women push them to the red pill organically - and the red pill just has words to put to those taboo thoughts about women.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 03:44 PM
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Can't disagree. We just need to accept that love usually isn't permanent, and perhaps not even guaranteed, and adjust to this new acceptance. There are things that can be done so women start to see their similars as more attractive, but things right now are a bit skewed towards women having too many physically attractive options during the sexually free younger years - but not quite "marriage material."
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 01:23 AM
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Great comment, but a TLdr would be wise
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 01:22 AM
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I think the WAWE is obvious with the sheer difference in double standards between the genders. Women are held to a far lower standard in a lot of ways, but in some sense held to higher standards when it comes to female roles - especially giving birth. The only double standard a guy can really benefit from is when he's a stud, and not a slut. Watch what they do can be interpreted in different ways, but my interpretation is pretty informed by my own experiences; I won't try to define this feeling …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 01:09 AM
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I think you need to address underlying problems before just slapping bandaids on the situation to encourage people to pretend to like each other again. There's an elephant in the room, and nobody wants to address it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 12:45 AM
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Love prevails
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 12:40 AM
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I led with "you'd have to confirm" and that "I might be full of shit..." How could you not know I'm just making a guess? I could write a long winded essay on why I might come to this conclusion, but I just don't feel it's worth my time.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 11:53 PM
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Some people think squashing a bug is bad, others don't. Same with abortion. For someone that thinks it's bad, it absolutely is a flag that can be flown in a conversation about the evils of each sex. An ad-hom attack provoked that reply mentioning abortion, if I'm not mistaken.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 11:32 PM
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edit - I can admit I'm full of shit, can you? (not you u/Barneysparky)
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 11:21 PM
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I remember a friend's gf once asked if I didn't like her completely out of the blue. People do get these gut feelings they can act upon, but sometimes they're completely delusional.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 11:09 PM
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I think there's definitely something to how women need to step into a more masculine mindset to date a feminine guy. They don't necessarily do masculinity right, and sometimes interpret it as being bossy or cruel; but they at least try to fill this gap that is left by the guy not being the masculine yang to her feminine yin.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 10:41 PM
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Sometimes you have to make personal sacrifices for the sake of your career. The silver lining is that you're getting the experience that somebody else isn't. Companies and corporations rant and rave about work-life balance, but at the end of the day: if crunch time comes and they need the (hu)man-power, they give zero fucks about your personal life or your work-life balance.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 10:39 PM
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I think it's more just pointing out that the red pill isn't going anywhere so long as women don't practice what they preach. A pretty fundamental pillar of the red pill (at least to me) is to watch what they do instead of trusting what they say.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 10:35 PM
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I'm just saying I'm not going to deny your experience, and you shouldn't mine. If 4/5 of your sexual partners have raped you, that's fucking terrible and I'm truly sorry for you. Furthermore, my hypothesis (women enable assholes) is purely anecdotal. It's just a take. It's true to me because I've seen so much of it while also seeing various genuinely nice guys get the shit end of the stick. You're free to disagree.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 10:29 PM
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Adopt your kids from another man? or just general adoption?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 10:25 PM
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nuances and unpredictable human behavior is women saying one thing and doing the opposite I'm pretty sure they just call that deception, not nuance and unpredictability
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 07:28 PM
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I mean, your experience is true to you; and who am I to say otherwise? And who are you to say my experience is wrong? I pray you find the help to remove yourself from such a horrible environment where 4/5 men are rapists.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 07:20 PM
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Guys with options are going to be the ones where at least one of those options may be an upgrade from the woman he might cheat on. Something tells me (perhaps common sense) that a guy without options is going to have a much harder time cheating. Most people cheat because some better option has come along - and that right there is the implication - cheating comes down to options.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 07:10 PM
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All? No. But if you want to talk about scenarios of why men cheat, then let's discuss. It depends on if the relationship has become less (or the total opposite) of what he has signed on for. If his current partner has become mean, disrespectful, combative, and has turned off the sex taps, then that nice girl who wants to get intimate looks like a valid and welcomed exit strategy - so the man might cheat in that scenario. I think a lot of men's cheating comes down to relationships degrading and g…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 07:08 PM
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The proof is in my experiences and observations, and you'd just say "that didn't happen" if I took the time to explain myself anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 06:39 PM
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Why is it a problem that someone thinks ending a human life is wrong? You know people are allowed to have different opinions on controversial topics such as abortion, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 06:27 PM
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Part of the reason why the red pill has become such a force is because women are often socially pressured into taking positions or saying things they don't actually believe. Examples include women that say they want intelligent men but date idiots, or women that say money doesn't matter but then choose to stay single or casual-only because of a lack of financially viable men in their dating pool.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 05:50 PM
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Regular sex is an added benefit, but I wouldn't say it's the primary motivation for average guys who are just happy to have some female attention on an unreliable basis. Also, you do know men can desire more than just sex from women... right? If anyone believes men just want sex, I think it says a lot about the kind of men they're going for.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 04:42 PM
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It's that one (or several) attractive guy(s) everyone generally has some version of in their life, and never lacks the attention of women. Ever notice how it tends to be these types of guys women claim to be abusive assholes, while guys who are average to below average are often too nice (to women especially)? I think, in a lot of cases, that's because these chads learn to be dangerous, manipulative, and chaotic because that gets the best response from hot young women in the sexually adventurous…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 04:40 PM
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It could be both. People generally don't just adopt the random beliefs for no reason. Those beliefs usually resonate in some way with their own experiences, and stuff like the red pill definitely helps a lot of men put words to "problematic" thoughts they've been having based on their experiences with women and dating. If young men are finding the red pill prior to having relationships, it's definitely possible that young women are perpetuating the stereotypes enough that these men can find some…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 09:49 PM
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Remember that one nurse who was killing babies? Or the women who chop their husband/boyfriends dicks off in the middle of the night? Or women mass shooters? Perhaps the women knowingly committing paternity fraud? You do know I can also cherrypick a bunch of examples of women being extremely evil, but extreme examples of heinous individuals don't make for good generalizations of an entire population.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 08:52 PM
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I love all these articles with titles like "I got my dream job right out of university by doing this," or "I got promoted x times in my first y years at my company. Here's how;" and they're all written by women. The reality is that all of these articles are word salad that NEVER mention DEI, the true enabler of women making massive career moves and getting prioritized over men for jobs and promotions. Women get a lot of these benefits and career mobility just for being women; there's no special …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 07:47 PM
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Have you seen current men? You know, the soft, pacified, women-worshipping schmucks that comprise a majority of the male population these days? I'm pretty sure men have toned things down a lot from the men of history you're mentioning.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 07:02 PM
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Men who don't approach aren't flawed. The only way they really could be is if you consider listening to and respecting women's concerns a flaw. Don't forget that women for decades have been parroting the idea that men disturbing women in any way is tantamount to sexual harassment, thus it is off limits. That is to say: Because a potential outcome of approaching is disturbing the woman if she isn't receptive, most guys just won't approach... They'll wait for someone or some thing to bridge the ga…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 06:52 PM
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Try telling women to make some compromises. Good luck.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 06:45 PM
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I think it's more that men are mad that women demand so much of them while also being unwilling to become what men want.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 05:47 PM
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don’t try to date girls who watch the call me daddy podcast, listen to Taylor Swift, collect plants, crystals and tattoos and check their daily horoscope You just described a hilariously rare archetype of woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 04:55 PM
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Sex before marriage is only a standard of cultures where sexual purity is viewed as virtuous and desirable. If your honest solution is women shouldn't have sex until marriage or engagement, I'd like to ask where you got the time machine that allows you to live in the 1950s? The cat is out of the bag, and it's not going back in.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 04:53 PM
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Bingo. The question OP is probably really asking is "do men take advantage of vulnerable women?" Like always, the answer is most guys don't; and the small subset of the male population that does is not in any way representative of the general male population.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 04:31 PM
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Why is it only men who are the idiots for falling for the lies and opportunism of the other sex? Men have little sympathy for women getting "used" because nobody gives a shit when men get used.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 03:58 PM
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Having sex with enthusiastic women
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 02:34 AM
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It's too late for it to matter. There are some very red pilled concepts that are becoming well known and acknowledged. The ideas of the red pill have outgrown and flourished past this toxic shell that it is now.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 08:56 PM
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All else being equal, studies show that higher IQ actually has a negative correlation with mating success. Mating success and promiscuity can be tightly coupled, which tracks with my own observations - because most of the promiscuous guys I know are either idiots or smart guys playing a caricature of an idiot.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 08:30 PM
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Exactly. I don't use a flair because it triggers women before they've even read what you have to say.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 05:25 PM
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I think there are more women pretending to be men here than men pretending to be women.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 05:20 PM
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Red pill isn't prescriptive, but you're treating it as such. At it's core it's just an acknowledgement that the reality of dating and women's preferences are quite different to mainstream discourse. For example: "Women want intelligent men," yet there are studies correlating lower IQs to dating success; and low IQ men are some of the most reproductively successful. Idiocracy is a prophecy.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 05:19 PM
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There are lots. Don't pretend you don't know a few from over the years.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 12:01 AM
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This was less common when fathers vetted the men their daughters were going to date
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 11:11 PM
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Absolutely. Bad people are increasingly rewarded because we are in a culture where being critical of things and problems is not OK. I don't say "men can suck" because it'll be widely agreed with (boring), but I do say "women can suck and it's more acceptable for them to suck" - and it's controversial and exciting to talk about. Nobody seems to accept that women can be shitbags, but I guess physical wounds inflicted from men are far more in your face than mental ones that women tend to inflict. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 11:07 PM
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Exactly. It's yet another case of women here, and everywhere really, over exaggerating some tiny subset of men to represent the whole population.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 10:21 PM
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Most guys lie on a spectrum between "don't care" to "people that buy or sell sex are low-lives."
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 10:18 PM
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I think I stand for 80-90% of men in saying this: paying for sex work is seriously low. That doesn't mean it shouldn't be legal, but that it will always be a bit seedy and degenerate; unless normalized. Sure, most relationships are quasi-prostitution; but at least there's the illusion of love and a future together.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 10:02 PM
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Let's say it's a Halloween costume.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 09:18 PM
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There are a lot of factors that play into how ZA degraded into a shithole. It went from first world to third world in less than a decade, and cherrypicking statistics from there might fool the average person who isn't aware of how far the country has fallen.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 09:06 PM
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South Africa is your counter-point? Really? The country rife with problems lingering from apartheid?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 08:55 PM
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I think women become cold and standoffish because of abundance of attention from unwanted men. A resting bitch face is a good "fuck off" indicator for most guys, but the player might see an RBF and take it as a challenge.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 08:33 PM
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So by that logic, it's acceptable for a man to say women are liars, manipulators, gold-diggers, etc.?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 08:27 PM
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Come off this "every man is a stalking rapist abuser and that is our only option" shit like you don't have a line-up of decent dudes that would love to date you. The irony is women love to complain about all these concerns about dangerous men, and then still go after this small fraction of the overall male population that are even capable of perpetrating these heinous actions.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 08:22 PM
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Women here very often play "well what about this uncommon issue some women face" boogeyman trump card as a means to derail a conversation about some issue men at large struggle with. For example, mid discussion some woman appears out of nowhere to say "YOU WANT WOMEN TO BE FORCED INTO RELATIONSHIPS THEY DON'T WANT TO BE IN" and put a whole bunch of other words in my mouth. We were talking about women enabling (rewarding) assholes, if I recall correctly.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 08:17 PM
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It seems to be a film that in all ways should be believable, and I think that's why the little hottie busting down doors with a team of men behind her was a nope
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 05:56 AM
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Cute little Emily Blunt is the lead on a breaching team taking down narco houses? Come on... I just had to go sheesh and turn the thing off. I actually wanted to watch that movie, too.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 05:40 AM
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I wouldn't say that's necessarily true. Players get with a surprisingly wide array of women. From the outgoing party girl, to the mousey library type just getting out of a long term relationship; they never lack.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 04:14 AM
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This is the main point. A woman's peak is in her 20s, because that's when she stands the highest chance of securing a man that can help her climb the most rungs on the socioeconomic ladder. A man in his 30s is at his peak, because that is where he is most likely to be able to appeal to the widest range of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 04:04 AM
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Why is this a Q4RP when it's clearly a debate on the concept of how men's sexual/mating potential peak is later than a woman's?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 03:23 AM
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It's definitely harder to meet people these days with friend groups getting smaller and more closed off, so one must get good at meeting people. If you can't meet people, how do you expect to meet women?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 01:40 AM
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Exactly. A good deal of them just approach any conversation with most men here with this hostile, "punching down" type energy. It's especially weird that the majority of them seem to be in very happy relationships or marriages, but that just reinforces this idea that women are never "single."
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 01:12 AM
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DAMN. I like that
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 12:42 AM
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How much did you lead with money in these relationships? Were you buying them dinners, paying for event tickets, travel, drinks, etc.? Sounds like you got put in the betabux camp pretty quick, in which case: lead with your dick, not cash
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 12:41 AM
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... and if you aren't using the apps just to find a quick lay, you're going to just end up getting beta treatment.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 12:23 AM
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One of the more common themes I see from women here is an outright refusal to agree with any take from most men. The post or comment could be completely free from dick-head language and faulty accusations or assumptions, but most women on PPD see man (especially red pill man) in a flair and it just triggers that "nuh-uh!" mindset. The exception is if the guy is one of the regulars who post the most blue pilled takes you'll ever see.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 12:17 AM
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You just put paragraphs in my mouth of things that I didn't and don't say, about things that are tangential at best to the conversation. Did you have a bad day or something?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 12:06 AM
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Looks can be improved, but you run the risk of being assumed to be some looksmaxxing incel if it's too much too fast.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 11:30 PM
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I need to grow up because I wasn't willing to suspend disbelief in the face of some ridiculous girl-power narrative in a movie about war, crime, or other highly dangerous scenarios?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 10:20 PM
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It's always interesting when the specific area (for example: women in middle management, or women in tech) reaches 50% female participation, and you still see this fervent and cacophonous "WE NEED MORE WOMEN IN THIS ROLE." The mission was accomplished, and yet the campaign carries on... So, I guess that whole "equality" thing was bullshit...?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 10:10 PM
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It’s interesting how gender parity pressures are typically one-sided. We don’t see adopting lower hiring standards for male nurses to achieve gender parity for example. A great point. You don't see ANY incentives (subsidies, grants, movements/protests, etc.) to elevate the number of men in roles with low male representation, where everywhere you look you see "women in this," "women in that," disproportionately female-favoring scholarship structures (despite women now being OVER-REPRESENTED in po…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 10:03 PM
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The thing is that nobody is making these tests harder, and nobody will until it is accepted that lowering standards to support DEI is a plague of mediocrity. OPs point is that we're undermining the very prestige that draws the physically elite and highly capable to these jobs in favor of getting women into these roles, and this will affect everyone negatively - including women.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 09:46 PM
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I've had to turn movies off before because they put some tiny, pretty woman in some ultra-dangerous, high-stress role. I don't think women are lining up to take on frontline roles like we are led to believe. Many women who go into these roles just want the prestige and/or power of being a firefighter or cop without the actual danger and stress.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 09:35 PM
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I think the best way to overcome the friend zone is by having other women show interest. Sometimes a woman won't be interested in a guy until she actively sees him receiving romantic interest from other women and feels she might miss out. The issue is that most guys who are "stuck" in the friend zone only have eyes for that specific woman, and won't entertain interest from other women; or won't use it to their advantage.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 09:23 PM
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When it comes to the friend zone, there are a few important distinctions to make... When a guy gets rejected and stays a woman's friend but removes any hope that things change, that's not the friend zone. When a guy gets rejected and stays a woman's friend hoping she changes her mind, that's the friend zone. When a guy acts like a woman's friend hoping for an opportunity to come up without ever making a move, that's the sneaky-fucker zone. The first one is fine, where the other two can pose some…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 09:12 PM
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Idiocracy was a prophecy
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 09:01 PM
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Something tells me these guys aren't calling you out on materialism for no reason. Are you sure these guys are getting passive aggressive for no reason other than simply earning less? Or, are you perhaps making comments or jabs that inspire some kind of defensive passive-aggression on their part?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 06:18 PM
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Anybody who makes basic adulting a staple of their personality and is demanding of praise for it will come off as insufferable.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 06:10 PM
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Maybe because I was actually taught some accountability before trying to finger point. Watch out! We've got a unicorn over here
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 06:04 PM
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Given the divorce rate, the odds aren't in most men's favor
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 05:36 PM
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If you really want to boil down the red pill to some basic concept (which is stupid, because the red pill isn't some prescriptive set of commandments), most red pillers would say the exact opposite: don't be the paypig, focus on being the fuckboy.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 05:31 PM
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The red pill isn't prescriptive, so I'm not sure where people get this "you have to follow this specific set of commands to be red pilled."
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 04:56 PM
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Attraction overrides common sense. It sounds good in the heads of women and bluepillers that good women wouldn't date bad men, but reality paints a different picture. Love is blind, as they say.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 04:27 PM
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Och!
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 02:58 AM
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Women desire men of prowess. So many women will knowingly commit to extremely casual relationships with those men for a chance that the guy ends up picking her, and it's ludicrous to say the average single or adulterous woman wouldn't take her spin of the wheel that is a well established guy that is in a womanizing phase. They'll even let you grab em right by the pussy.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 12:19 AM
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Not really... Simps and white knights enable the shittiest of women to be absolute menaces - simply by rewarding and/or never punishing bad behavior. When a person always gets their way despite being anti-social (and never being punished for poor behavior), what incentive is there to be pro-social?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 09:46 PM
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At that point in a common-law relationship, extra, legally binding paperwork just to slap a title that brings no benefit to the relationship isn't necessary.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 07:15 PM
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Congrats for stating the obvious and conveniently missing his entire point.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 07:13 PM
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So my experiences and observations are null and void simply because you disagree?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 07:08 PM
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It's lip service. Now that casual sex is starting to swing back to being taboo again, you'll see women en masse change their tone about it; even the women who were having the most casual sex in the past decade. Women will just say what they think the social collective wants them to say.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 05:22 PM
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Rewarding pro-social behaviors and punishing anti-social behaviors is the bedrock of a functioning, high-trust civilization. Flip the dynamic and you get erosion of the social contract. You get good men saying "Fuck it. Why shouldn't I be a selfish asshole? It seems to work just fine for them."
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 05:15 PM
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That must have sounded good in your head, but you'd be quite surprised by reality
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 04:50 PM
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And the same two women are probably the type to say "just be yourself" to guys who want dating advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 04:39 PM
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Many women assume that if you struggle that you must be defective in some way, because you're invisible to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 04:15 PM
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Men don't have to commit anymore. Marriage is dying, family formation is increasingly cost prohibitive... A guy who can get casual sex can get everything short of a marriage and family from an FWB arrangement, and women willingly go along with this. It's up to women to stop entertaining the arrangement where they give "commitment-phobes" all of the things they should be reserving for the guy who actually commits.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 03:49 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 03:41 AM
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There's no shortage of examples of women taking their standards to the metaphysical grave, and then many of them make it everyone else's problem that they couldn't settle on a happy medium when they were still able to start a family. It really wasn't my problem until the media and women on the internet screaming at men for WOMEN not being able to find relationships
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 03:19 AM
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Doesn't that say something if screaming into the void is more cathartic than trying and trying again?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 03:11 AM
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A guy can be confident and be a simp. The two aren't mutually exclusive. To assume simping comes from a lack of confidence is hilarious, because some simps are extremely confident in their simpery.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 10:34 PM
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When have women's actions ever matched their words? <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 09:29 PM
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The takes on this sub are representative of all men? Huh. I guess you learn something new every day.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 09:02 PM
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Women are absolutely not encouraging men to not be simps. You actually tend to see quite strong reactions from women towards those with anti-simp talking points, and that's because women know (and love) that simps are basically pussy worshippers that afford them favors in the form of free stuff, labor/chores, etc. Men having to learn this obfuscated truth the hard way is a big part of why red pill is even a thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 08:54 PM
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Women are valued for their fertility, where men are valued for the lifestyle and status they build over the years. If you think men and women are valued for the exact same things, I can see why you're confused. You could be the most interesting women in the world and think that's of value to men, but if you can't have kids due to age: a lot of guys won't see the self-prescribed value you think you have.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 08:23 PM
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Men are being blamed for the birth rate crisis exactly because lower access to sex is forcing them to follow different life paths than the average man of previous generations. You constantly see articles shitting on men for being behind and choosing video games over going out without ever considering the WHY men are behind and don't try for romance.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 08:17 PM
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This is only because men are being blamed for low birth rates, like they're blamed for so many other things that aren't their fault and somehow "women most affected." A guy who isn't prioritizing a family, for whatever personal reason, is seen as a loser, and a woman who isn't prioritizing a family, again for any personal reason, is a hero.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 08:13 PM
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Because, like everything, the fertility crisis is being blamed purely on men and framed as "women most affected."
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 08:12 PM
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Despite what the vocal minority of men on this board believe, women become more desired as they get older, so they have more options. I'm curious what you have (anecdotes or otherwise) to support such a claim.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 05:33 PM
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I think a lot of red pillers are former nice guys that saw how "we like nice guys" didn't exactly reflect reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 05:32 PM
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I have to be his lawyer to consider a FAFO verdict in this extreme scenario?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 04:35 AM
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It's je na sais qoui. You can't describe it. Everybody has their personality ideals they seek in a partner, and they are pretty tightly defined to fit into how they view their own personality. In some cases, opposites in some traits complete things; in others, sameness is more desirable. In other words: what is desirable in a personality is very personal.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 03:05 AM
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No way. He's one of them by just running to the group-chat for approval and to group up against a perceived threat to the thought-police
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 02:54 AM
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I'm sorry for having the slightest bit of sympathy for a guy who was for some reason inclined to stab a woman 40 times because she said no. I'm not saying it's fine, but there's more to it than that. It's an extreme situation with underlying circumstances, put presented as some "random" thing women should worry about with all men. We have no idea if this woman was madly abusive towards a mentally ill guy, perhaps even contributing to his illness - which perhaps inspired such a heinous attack.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 02:46 AM
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I'm an asshole because I questioned your truthfulness? Or I'm an asshole because of a comprehensive cross-analysis of what I use this reddit account for?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 02:44 AM
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I hate to be the one to break it to you, but you don't have to be damaged or in need of healing to wonder what warranted 40 stabs
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 02:42 AM
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Let's just agree that my view on passion killings is certainly more "red-pilled" or whatever than yours
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 02:24 AM
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No. I'd just like the hard facts of their friendship instead of this "all men are dangerous to women if you reject them" narrative, that's all.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 02:12 AM
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What he's actually saying is that the promiscuity and sexual openness of the overly visible gay community is where they receive a lot of flak, whereas promiscuity and sexual openness of women is largely accepted - and, in a lot of ways: encouraged, if not encouragable.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 02:09 AM
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Mando needs to find his role as a lead. Phenomenal actor.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 02:06 AM
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There's certainly far more to it than that. A guy doesn't approach a woman and stab her nearly to death because he gets rejected. A mentally ill guy thinks he has a chance with a "friend" and gets strung along and eventually snaps - nearly killing someone. I'm curious to know more about his side instead of just assuming this was some regular guy overreacting to a very basic regular rejection. I'm not excusing the guy, but I'm not excusing the girl either. Women absolutely pick up on the signals,…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 01:57 AM
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I'll ask the controversial question... how badly did she string him along and what was his history with abuse and mental illness?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 01:52 AM
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The average guy's experience is seeing the hot assholes clean up with women, so I'm not really sure what the fuck your point, or the legitimacy of it, is. This is pretty much 90% of why guys get red pilled... and yes: I did pull that stat out of my ass.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 01:43 AM
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Women definitely separate men into tidy, clearly defined boxes, doing things like qualifying guys based on their jobs, looks, or lifestyles when talking to their friends... at least from what I've experienced when I've heard women talk about prospects with one another. For example: a woman will be chatting with her friend, and instead of "Alan" or "Eric," it's "the doctor," "the Sales Manager," some chad-like petname like "the hunk" or "handsome-pants," etc.,... anything but a first name. (*Note…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 01:37 AM
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Men are from Mars, women are from Venus. It's just basic facts
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 01:22 AM
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I don't have a problem with women having preferences. What I do have a problem with is women becoming more demanding with their preferences as they age and their fertility wanes. For example: a woman in her 20s could have dated a pro athlete, a successful businessman, a male model, etc. In her 30s she expects a guy to be a male model who is also a successful businessman and pro athlete.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 11:12 PM
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I think there's some comorbidity with general misandry, since it can be a grand betrayal if the guy was a deadbeat and fucks off.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 03:17 AM
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I think they do this because it can attract that special breed of beta simp that wants to "step up" for mommy
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 03:11 AM
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I'm not sure if this is quite what were talking about, but most double standards are favorable for women. The only double standard I've seen women seem to accept as fact that doesn't really benefit them (perhaps to their frustration or anger) is how a guy who fucks a lot is a stud and respected by women and men and a gal that fucks a lot is a slut and the butt of the joke. The double standard that I'm referring to here is that women CAN make sweeping generalizations and men CAN'T. It's the resul…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 03:02 AM
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Being single is better on a selfish level, because entering into a relationship or forming a family requires one to place something else above their own happiness. I can understand why people are delaying it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 01:50 AM
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With the right woman, it's no question: a relationship would be awesome. The problem lies in finding the right woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 01:35 AM
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That's because most women casually use sex to try to shoot in the big leagues, whereas most men don't become big leaguers that can have casual. For younger women, those big leaguers end up being the most attractive and popular people; and with age it becomes more about status and wealth, but attraction helps.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 01:22 AM
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Start low and go slow is a solid mindset for most aspects of life.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 06:30 PM
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Polygamy often gets brought up because it is one of the most surefire ways to make many women feel raw lust. When they have to compete for your time and attention against other women, they get ultra competitive and highly emotional; and strong emotions are how women become wildly attached. Women want what other women have, AKA Pre-selection, and men want women that want to rip their clothes off out of pure sexual desire. It's not a red pill tenet that you have to be a plate-spinning womanizer, b…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 06:24 PM
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Truth
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 01:31 AM
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Spot on. Women want a man that displays initiative, and an approach is the best first impression you can make if she already finds you attractive and is signalling approachability.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 01:29 AM
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Women making the first move is an extremely new thing, and most of them don't want to be with a guy who can't make a move and go for what he wants. More commonly, they seem to create situations where they can catch your attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 01:22 AM
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Women want egalitarianism like I want a supermodel girlfriend. In my head, it sounds awesome because she's hot and trendy (like the idea of equality); but in practice it ends up being not exactly what I signed up for.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 01:15 AM
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It sounds good in your head, but in practice: not really... The average man spends way more time single and racks up way fewer partners than the average woman. Womanizers definitely don't stick to just promiscuous women. They find easy marks, just like man-eaters. They break up a lot of families, or taint younger women with sweet lies. It's kind of sad when you look at it a bit closer instead of just-world-ing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 12:46 AM
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You're the one asking for stats and data, and you also say we're not talking about averages? Averages are the basis of stats and data. Over a large enough sample size, trends become obvious. Any guy can tell you the average woman has more sex and sexual partners than the average man... come off of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 12:31 AM
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You think the average guy is having more sex/sexual partners than the average woman? Even the most wool-over-their-eyes blue pillers can admit that isn't the case. Any study or data suggesting otherwise is definitely rife with sampling errors and hidden agendas.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 11:34 PM
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Lower to much lower than that of equivalent women, at least if you're talking about averages
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 05:27 PM
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This is probably the truest and sanest take I've ever seen on reddit, tbh
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 10:08 PM
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Fuck no. Last I checked, most women aren't posting hot-takes on obscure subreddits... but, there definitely is an increasing number of women doing so.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 10:07 PM
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It's funny how people in this post seem to refuse to believe this, or at least try to invalidate it in any way possible... It's obvious to me when you consider how much alcohol costs and how often women (of any generation) have drinks bought for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 12:58 AM
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It's not really me doing it. It was around the time the media made people, like Andrew Tate, poster children for red pill when it became this caricature of toxic gymbro, hold-frame and manipulate PUA shit that no old-school red piller with a conscience really wants to closely identify with.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 04:52 PM
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If both sides are going to be picky because of the paradox of choice (and I think they have), I'm not sure you actually do have significantly more choices.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 09:53 PM
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you couldn’t just pop out thousands of babies without a real parent to care for them You're imagining some dystopian world where there are factories full of artificial wombs churning out babies for some open baby market, but the reality is that service will be used on demand by people who don't want to commit to (or take a chance on) another person to have children they share DNA with. It probably won't be cheap. If there are no people who want a baby raised in an artficial womb, the wombs will …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 09:48 PM
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What pay gap, though? Last I checked, women in their 20s and 30s outearn men; and the women who keep bringing up the pay-gap non-issue are mostly in their 20s and 30s... It's pure hubris. Women work careers where they earn more than men when starting their careers (teachers, nurses, etc) because of equity, but the cost of equity is slower wage growth compared to careers that haven't seen the invisible hand known as equity; where men earn more when they work jobs where you start modestly low and …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 08:35 PM
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There's a delicate balance between too easy and too hard, and most women play too hard to get for the guys that are serious and too easy for the guys who aren't. That's it. That's why this topic keeps coming up.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 07:52 PM
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You're absolutely correct. The reason people see the red pill as this evil thing is because they see the current version of it (dark triad manipulation and antisocial PUA tactics) and assume that's the only way a red piller can think, and they didn't see how it was a decade ago (the rules of the game don't match the rules we're told).
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 07:41 PM
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Yep. I think I was 12 or 13 when I got my first taste of how "be yourself" is bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 07:34 PM
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Are you asking women to hold themselves accountable?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 07:29 PM
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Feminism was entirely based on generalizations about how men treated women in society at large, or at least it used those generalizations to grow to the size it is. Were some of those generalizations true? Yes. Are some of the generalizations red pillers make about how women treat men true? I'd say so.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 03:51 PM
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The same could be said about feminism, and I didn't see any pushback (especially not from women) when men were generalized to all be the r-word (false and hyperbolic), dogs (dehumanizing), and the like. If feminism wasn't allowed to proceed with unfettered misandry and generalizations against men, I think things would be different; but here we are. Kinda sucks when the pendulum swings the other way, doesn't it?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 02:40 PM
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If someone is refusing to sign a legally binding document, I'm going to assume there's more to the story.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 08:43 PM
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Well, then there's clearly more to the story than you're giving us
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 08:34 PM
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Don't try to take me to a disco. You'll never even get me out on the floor. In ten minutes I'll be late for the door.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 08:26 PM
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Isn't it your job to make sure the person on the other end understands what to do with the paperwork? You know what the say about AssUM(e)mptions
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 08:21 PM
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>men need to treat dating and relationships like it's some kind of conquest Gee, and women wonder why men are checking out of jumping through hoops
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 08:04 PM
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So, if I say all women who subscribe to being child-free are selfish and insufferable: it's OK because I'm making a generalization about a group centred around an ideology?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 05:19 PM
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They're actually saying something about ALL red pillers... which is hilarious, because the implied premise of the comment is that generalizing groups of people is problematic.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 03:39 PM
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I've found the easiest, most natural female friendships are where the woman is already married or is totally not my type (zero physical /sexual tension). But are you going out of your way to hang out individually with these people, or are they just your acquaintances you see occasionally through other friends or work, social events, and such? And do you refer to one of these married women as your friend, or your "buddy's wife" or "a woman I work with?" That will tell you everything you need to k…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/25 04:31 AM
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I think this is true of really tall guys. Most of the really tall guys I've known have been great humans. All the dickheads sit between 5'11' and 6-2'
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/25 03:57 AM
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You're missing the bigger picture. The very idea that there is a growing number of men aren't being as social, and living their lives online is being conflated with this idea that there's a different group of isolated, disillusioned, potentially dangerous men. Can you see the issue when you start to group unrelated groups of men together as this boogey-man of a "lonely male epidemic" threat to civil order?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/25 03:53 AM
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I think everyone is fairly privy to the idea that social isolation is not good long term, but they aren't talking about the "angry isolated male epidemic..." are they? As always: a classic example of mass media running with the most ambiguous language and messaging, effectively turning a male issue into another thing to point fingers and say "men bad."
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/25 03:46 AM
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My point is: I have to make too many compromises to really be able to bond with a woman on a friendship level outside of the context of a relationship, unless, of course, she is naturally a woman who shares my male interests.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/25 02:43 AM
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It's because the terminally online women behind posts like these are obsessed with proving all of these in*els and manosphere bros saying "men and women can't be friends" wrong. It's probably because her day wasn't dramatic enough, so she's creating the drama by being needlessly combative towards a belief of people she disagrees with purely on principle.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 10:21 PM
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My hypothesis is that some women like liars because they appreciate someone who can lie as well as, or better than, them.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 10:14 PM
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Why are people so insistent that men need to be friends with women or we're broken? Friendship bonds are built around shared interests and experiences, and men and women tend to have very different interests and experiences. I have no problem having female acquaintances (I think this is the term you meant, but everyone seems to confuse friend and acquaintance), but also have no problem admitting that a platonic friendship with a woman would have to be so forced that it probably wouldn't be genui…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 10:05 PM
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I'm not sure if women are more likely to do this but they are more likely to initiate breakups. I think women are overwhelmingly the ones to have the replacement ready before the relationship has officially ended. Even in the event where a guy isn't blind-sided by a breakup, he'll still take a while before entering a new relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 07:54 PM
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"when she was already in the talking stage with some Italian guy when the relationship was breaking down"
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 07:33 PM
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"Get a financial advisor." The problem with this old advice was that financial advisors will get their cut (usually 2% of your total assets under their management) no matter what, and so they don't really need to maximize your returns; just ensure that they get their cut. This advice fails to note how there are good money managers and bad ones. ps : S & P - Standard and Poor
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 07:21 PM
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But your premise was that he was unsuccessful with 20 year olds when we was 20, so by default he'll be unsuccessful with 20 year olds when he's 40; but said conclusion really doesn't follow. Also, do you and your friends speak for all women?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 07:20 PM
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It seems like you're making a blind inference with little factual basis in reality, so please explain the logic so I can know where you're coming from.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 07:15 PM
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if 20-somethings don't want to hang with you when you're their age, they definitely won't want you when you're older. Can you explain the logic behind this? When he was 20, the average woman his age was most likely to be dating a 23 year old. No age gap isn't the average... 3 years is.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 07:12 PM
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The problem is that we're led to believe that women are the empathetic sex, when in reality they really don't have any empathy for a man who struggles because of depression or anxiety - some of them even feel disgust or disdain for men like this. Add to this that like 80% of psychologists are women, and many of those women went into psychology to figure out their own psychological quirks and couldn't think of anything else to major in - so, basically a lot of women go into psychology to help the…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 06:48 PM
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If you're going to assume the worst of a man you're considering for marriage, why is it so problematic for men to do things like get prenups or paternity tests? Like are people getting married for the right reasons if there is this blinding distrust going into it?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 05:08 PM
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Some people just have a flirt-with-the-world type of personality, and this personality is often seen in womanizers or ladies-men. What you're referring to is the guy who just read some persons book on dating or charisma that is desperately trying to apply the rule of "flirt with everyone" in a somewhat clunky or awkward way.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 04:13 PM
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Are you saying women can't love-bomb too? Go look at the relationships with a recovering party girl and the meek settle-guy, and you'll see some AAA love-bombing from the woman. Shit, most of the time men learn love-bombing and other manipulation directly from women.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 03:25 PM
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I guess that's why "are we dating the same guy" was created.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 03:22 PM
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I think the pendulum is swinging back a bit, as people realize it's still a drug with usage they have to moderate; but absolutely, there was a time where even grandma was all about it
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 02:17 AM
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That's what I was thinking. Probably not a bad looking dude, but lacks the rizz or social status to outcompete the other guys they're matching with. What's also telling about that photo is the swipe rate. 60ish% right? Compare that to average woman's right-swipe rate and it would paint an interesting picture (although I do acknowledge that it's probably 3:1 men:women on those things)
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 02:07 AM
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Nope. Zillennials (the youngest third[ish] of the millennials) were in high-school when all of the technologies we blame for the current dating predicament were reaching their golden age - eg: internet, smartphones, social media, gaming, porn. This isn't necessarily a generational argument, at least not as it relates to PPD. What matters is how young you had access to digital technologies that changed the face of how we interact and communicate with one another.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 12:40 AM
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Most people gave me an excuse for it too. This is the shit that annoys me, or when people excuse women's abusiveness as cute or quirky. Luckily, holding shitty women accountable is really increasing in popularity.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/25 05:59 PM
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But alas women during college days either dont date or only date the super hot men or tall ones . Even if they aren't dating, they're usually in a covert casual fling with some bad-boy that they wouldn't in a million years introduce to their parents. If she's used to only driving exotic sports cars, how will she ever be content driving a boring but sensible family sedan? I love using car analogies on PPD
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/25 05:24 PM
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You shouldn't be sympathetic to people who have been convinced to give up their dignity in pursuit of fast cash.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/25 05:07 PM
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"you must show intent early," but also "you must not be too forward or else you're probably creep that just wants to use her for sex" It's shit like this that makes men say fuck it and become content in singledom.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/25 05:00 PM
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Exactly. What do the 18 year olds want? Are the 18 year olds adults? Can adults make their own decisions about how they live their lives without older women speaking on their behalf.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/25 03:18 PM
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Quirky chungus
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/25 04:47 AM
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all that and a bag of chips the bee's knees
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/25 04:32 AM
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Getting with a guy that wants a relationship... hello???
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/25 04:26 AM
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Holy sweet fuck... I just started rewatching BB after finally finishing BCS, and this hit the spot. Have this imaginary gold
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/25 04:25 AM
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Men are simple once you figure us out, but I'm sure you're also all that and пачка чипсов
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/25 03:01 AM
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<image> "texas mattress dispute"
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/25 02:41 AM
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Positive reinforcement ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/25 02:36 AM
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Keep his belly full and his balls empty and he will never leave you
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/25 02:36 AM
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Double standards are triggering, and u/Proudvow has raised a valid one. If you don't believe me, ask any woman what they think of the idea of how promiscuous men are called studs and praised versus how women are called sluts and shamed... you'll get the most unhinged response you could ever imagine.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/25 02:00 AM
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That's it. I'm adding "our healthcare is under researched" to my women's oppression bingo card Also... We're not in the 1990s, are we? And what do you think the men were doing when they were taking experimental drugs in clinical trials... drinking champagne, smoking fine cigars, and counting their money? No. They were facing adverse side effects of these trial drugs on top of suffering from whatever disease was killing them. Being excluded from clinical trials isn't oppression, it's protecting t…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/25 01:45 AM
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You really think so? Also, you cherry picked a disease they are still trying to figure out and concluded that women's health is under-researched. I think you should look at how much is spent on women's health compared to how much is spent on men's health, and the numbers will speak for themselves. Prostate versus breast cancer? Hello??? Breast cancer is literally the MOST funded disease in terms of research... like... what? So, yes - you pulled that bullshit out of thin air, and don't even try t…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/25 01:39 AM
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Damn. I need a cigarette now.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/25 01:31 AM
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It's kind of wierd, but there's something about the smell of straightened hair. It's pure sex. Kind of like baked pheromones. Can't say there's ever been a perfume a woman has worn that has had a lasting effect on me.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/25 01:30 AM
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Go look at a few examples of what a catch 22 is before you pretend to understand what it is. I see a third option here.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/25 01:14 AM
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women’s health is greatly under researched Lmfao how far did you have to dig to pull this bullshit out of your ass?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/25 01:11 AM
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Pssht. What's good about them?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/25 12:21 AM
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They exist, but not nearly in the numbers that people suggest they do. Plus, they're usually shut-ins like male gamers can be; so good luck meeting them.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/25 12:20 AM
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I don't think many women independently dive into gaming as a lifestyle-defining hobby the way men do. My anecdotal experience (with WoW guilds and the like) has been that a boyfriend or husband got them into it, so they play to spend more quality time with a gamer husband. It's very easy to find women who game. Not nearly as easy as people make it out to be. I think we're talking like 5% of the female population, if that. The problem is that female gamers are just like male gamers - usually a bi…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/25 12:19 AM
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You don't have to be terminally online to know what a chad is, or that hot killers get lots of validation from women. Lots of 🔴&⚫️💊 terminology and concepts have gone mainstream thanks to the Streisand effect that happens when institutions try to censor or shut something down.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 08:03 PM
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They know their customers better than gillette or anheuser-busch
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 07:56 PM
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Diamond mining often involves a huge amount of human suffering It doesn't have to. Canada is sitting on world class diamond mines, but the government has been borderline neglectful towards growing the mining industry; so venture capitalists and mining giants just start operations in countries where labor is cheap, workers rights are lesser, and there isn't so much red tape.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 07:53 PM
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Who wants to keep it casual? He probably wouldn't be doing romantic gestures like sending flowers if it was casual, so my guess is YOU want it to be casual. Do you feel the need to return the favor of the romantic gesture he made, possibly so that you feel like you don't "owe" him?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 07:48 PM
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She missed the one about not being a social media brained attention seeker
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 07:32 PM
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yassss queens slay as power-line, sewage, and waste technicians ... oh... not those careers? Right.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 07:19 PM
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Money is subjective because some people are flat broke yet happier and more fulfilled than people with unlimited cash. While we do have global markets which place a relative value on money so global commerce and trade doesn't devolve into a pure barter system, its value to the individual is entirely subjective and based on the utility it provides to the person making the subjective measurement. Jeff Bezos looks at a million dollars like it's pocket change, but to you and me that's likely a life-…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 07:13 PM
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The meme is that women throw around in*el, and other sex-related shaming language, as an insult because sex is the only unit of value they understand. If this were true, then it would make sense that women are highly judgemental about a person's perceived value based on said persons sex-life. Obviously it's way more nuanced than that, but most memes have at least some basis in reality - hence why they become popular.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 06:54 PM
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This, but I wouldn't have put it so nicely.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 06:38 PM
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Hard disagree. Something you see pretty often is women abusing settle-guys because they're still pissed off at some casual fling they hoped would evolve into something more. Chad didn't just get it for free, he deferred all the tax and interest onto the next buyer.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 04:02 PM
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He gave a perfect definition. If I can only afford an economy car but I refuse to consider anything other than an exotic sports car, then I have unrealistic standards that don't reflect what I can actually attain with my wealth.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 03:43 PM
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Shit, they decided to put international toilet day on the same day where international men's day was already being celebrated.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 03:35 PM
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look around the classroom of any 3rd or 4th year college CS course if you’re under the delusion that tech will be a woman dominated field within a decade Bingo. There were like 2 women in my graduating class IIRC, and they were ultra nerdy gamer-girl types.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 03:17 PM
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That's complete hyperbole and grandiosity on your part. If not bait, just wow.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/25 10:22 PM
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Great, you found a man that gives you the tingles; but you can't convince me these more recent tingles compare to that powerful love experience in your teens. I just don't think anyone's body produces nearly as much oxytocin as it did when you were reaching adulthood, and that's what the love high is all about. I don't care how much kale and sourdough you eat or how much you're exercising, your organs simply don't need to produce raging amounts of hormones and neurotransmitters like they were du…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/25 08:28 PM
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Nah, it's any woman that willingly engages in sexual intercourse with men she doesn't want a long-term relationship with. Alternatively, it could be a woman that hangs around too long in Chad's fuckzone hoping for a relationship with no success. If a woman is 25 and has had a few boyfriends but no other sexual partners, she's not a slut. If a woman is 25 and has had no boyfriends but has had a few sexual partners, chances are very good she's a slut.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/25 05:41 PM
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It came from Netflix Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha You're serious? Let me laugh even harder
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/25 05:32 PM
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Young love, not necessarily teenage love, is the most real form of love, where both parties are idealistic and optimistic, naive, most open to new people and experiences, and non-jaded. The more partners a person has had, the harder it will be to form that strong bond like what materialized almost immediately with that first love experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/25 05:17 PM
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She described it like it was some herculean effort, but literally all she did was show up.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/25 06:01 PM
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If you're only meeting someone worth dating once or twice a year Only a woman could fail to understand that meeting one to two potential dating partners each year is actually a pretty good rate for most men, and the point of the OP seems to be that we should celebrate small victories rather than getting hung up on negative outcomes or being too outcome dependent.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/25 05:59 PM
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Agreed, redpill is basically dabda. Only during acceptance can one realize that it is just another chapter in life.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/25 03:38 AM
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It's a good strategy. Test for what you don't want, rather than specifically looking at what you want. The problem is that sometimes you'll see false negatives and disqualify good candidates, but that's a small price for a person with lots of options.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/25 03:01 AM
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I believe the saying is "a man would fuck a hole in the wall if it was wet enough." Most guys would be fine with a person of similar looks, yet ugly women are in at least some numbers holding out for men 4-6 points higher than them. That is the entire premise of FA: A 5 or less who doesn't want to date a 5 and has made an identity of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/25 01:38 AM
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You're laying down some interested ideas, but failing to identify the main point. Men are raised to be soft pushovers, and these men often take what they can get... slave mentality, basically. If you think men being conditioned to be submissive, non-confrontational worker drones in some regards poses a problem, then I agree with you. These mens are the means, not the ends; so it makes sense that they get abused by the most opportunistic women.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/25 01:54 AM
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I don't even think it just applies to these sugar-daddy scenarios. A lot of the time a guy can't really offer an interesting, well-funded, and stable lifestyle to a women until he's significantly older, and chances are good he's not gonna reward a 30 year old with said lifestyle when a 20 year old also really wants it. The 3 year age gap average equates to that women are generally dating men that are older. Obviously, YMMV; so don't let solipsism with regards to you and your social circle someho…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/25 01:41 AM
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I'm not one to talk... I smoke ciggies like they're going out of style, especially when I fish.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 11:49 PM
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Most guys become bad because of a woman. It's women that teach them the shit that women end up complaining about - manipulation, emotional abuse, etc. But even though these women complain, they just keep going for these "bad guys." It's almost like women like guys who are better at playing people than they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 11:29 PM
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emotionally manipulative Most guys learn this ability from... guess who.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 11:27 PM
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Neither of you are wrong
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 11:26 PM
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It's not a basic bro hobby because in my social circle lots of the bros do it Oh, so it's only basic-bro level if it doesn't apply to your bros? Go talk to any "bro-guy" out there and chances are good he has a favorite baseball team and competes in at least one fantasy league per year. If you consider fishing a basic bro hobby but not fantasy sports, I'm not going to convince you; all I can do is chuckle. Do these bros in your social circle vape?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 11:11 PM
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This assumes love doesn't have a shelf life. Unfortunately, it does. Harder than heck to keep a marriage or relationship going after the honeymoon period, and good bloody luck convincing a person with a significant "past" to stay after the love fades. That isn't to say that the friendship can't last and keep the relationship going, but that begs the question: is it not the friendship that is truly transformative? Love just helps two people who are otherwise diametrically different form a friends…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 11:06 PM
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Baseball and fantasy sports are basic bro hobbies
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 06:47 PM
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anyone into cars, wrestling, hunting/fishing, and other hobbies I see as "basic bro" Uhhh, most guys are going to have a basic bro hobby... Did you break up with a guy because he was spending too much time fishing or working on his car or something? What hobbies are OK to you? talking about feelings? tea parties?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 06:44 PM
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But there are certain things they won't ever study or publish because these studies will make men look good and women look bad. I made an anecdotal comment that for every one guy that wants to use women for sex there are 99 who actually see women as people they want to form relationships with, but of course people are going to "sOuRcE" me to death before even entertaining what I'm proposing. Modern science is half a cult the way people trust it over their own intuitions or experiences. The other…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 08:52 PM
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My only suggestion would be you should have drawn a crowd of men in the last frame. Just two guys doesn't really speak to the breadth of the issue - Chad just wants her for sex, so she's going to make it every other man's problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 08:47 PM
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The way your parents treat each other shapes the kid's future relationships and I know this by personal experience. We can actually agree on something for once.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 08:41 PM
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Does that mean the economy is good? No, but the "authorities" will tell you it is good because people are spending money on cheap shit from amazon. If people had a chance to prepare for recession because the media and our representatives were honest, I think we'd actually have a better global economy right now. I think it's better for people to get freaked out over an early warning than to get brutally freaked out because of no forewarning and lots of comfy lies.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 07:54 PM
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Because he thought she was hot at the Christmas Party and just went through a sloppy divorce, or something like that. Some women aren't delusional about their options Some is the key word there Some are insanely delusional Most lie somewhere in between.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 07:32 PM
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Hypergamy never sleeps Women will always want the bigger better deal. She may not pursue it aggressively because it's not a guaranteed thing and there would be a lot of risk involved, but please don't kid yourself into thinking the average woman would stay with an accountant or analyst when the CEO is showing high interest.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 07:26 PM
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Nope, it’s because men say they use women, brag about using women, watch and make porn about using woman, and also use women What about the other 99% of men who would never think of doing this?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 07:17 PM
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personal attack = """"correction"""" lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 06:32 AM
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Right, so you're half proving my point about wasting bargaining chips on men that don't care.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 06:24 AM
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Also, I’m in a several year long committed relationship with a man. You'd think a sexually satisfied woman in a relationship wouldn't get so bent out of shape over a metaphor, but I guess this is PPD.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 06:23 AM
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Do tell. Can you cook?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 06:21 AM
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Baggage, age, unrealistic standards, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 06:20 AM
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Rather than using one of the biggest bargaining chips you have to pursue a fulfilling relationship with a hardworking guy with good morals that you may spend the rest of your life with, you're essentially keeping it in your pocket to lose value while you chase quick dopamine hits that will keep you in the casino longer. You're being used for the precise reason that you don't realize how damaging this behavior is in the long term, but hey: at least it's short term feel-goodsies and chad walked aw…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 06:06 AM
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Women who date these thugs will tell you the supermarket did
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 06:00 AM
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nahhhhhhhhhhhhh let's keep hating on the virgin cels writing mean things on the internet "And let's completely gloss over or ignore the 'why' they're doing this while we're at it."
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 05:55 AM
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Truer words have never been spoken
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 05:53 AM
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I think the hidden joke is that lots of women make stupid choices and then do the "teehee, he was nice at first" thing to avoid accountability for such a poor decision
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 05:46 AM
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Kind of like this sort of reverse-patriarchy. Feminists say society is built to serve the needs of men while oppressing women, where gynocentrism is an idea where society currently functions to serve the needs of women at a cost to men - which you absolutely see with preferentialism towards women, effectively disqualifying equally qualified men on a discriminatory basis. I think men have always worked to serve the needs of women so the population can grow, but in the past the patriarchy has over…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 05:38 AM
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The 50s? That was something that's been pretty "promised," or at least expected of men to strive to achieve, right up until a bit under a decade ago when men started to realize and be vocal about how unattainable it is in comparison to how easy it's made to seem.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 05:29 AM
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With the amount of men that have been societally brow-beaten to not bother women in public outside of bars or clubs for fear of that roll of the dice being metood, women stand to gain a lot by approaching men they wish would make the first move.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 05:24 AM
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I'm starting to think that the human psyche is just addicted to ideology. Whatever the ideology is, there just seems to be that need for an idealogical structure; and women threw traditional religious ideology away partly to embrace a new ideology: feminism. That is to say that if one can control the ideology(ies), they can effectively control the masses.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 05:10 AM
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It's classic give an inch, take a mile. The remaining staunch feminists are just shouting about non-issues and superiority so long as they get platformed and anyone takes them seriously, but they will still pretend they are fighting for rights they got half a century or more ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 05:02 AM
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Respectful and empathetic How the hell can you even show or evaluate this on a dating app? A picture in a soup kitchen? Like... what?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 04:57 AM
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If she gets cheated on by one guy, that's permissible. More than one? Probably grounds for some questioning on what exactly she is doing in these relationships, or about the type of guy she is choosing.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 04:52 AM
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Gary Oldman Sometimes life needs you to play the cruelest villains, but in the end you become the hero.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 04:33 AM
2

Love me some Denzel
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 04:31 AM
0

You do raise a good point, but it's worth considering that chad will get even more suitors if women approach - the brutal amount of competition to get chad might encourage women to consider going for more attainable men, but that's probably wishful, optimistic thinking on my part...
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 03:02 AM
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In some cases, yes. In other cases, they forgive the guy when they find out; or they suspect it but don't care to uncover the truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/25 09:40 PM
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Well it seems like many would rather share a polyamorous guy than go for the single monogamous guy, so you're going to have to provide a better rebuttal than just "women hate monogamous men? 😂😂"
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/25 09:18 PM
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What do you think it means?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/25 05:39 PM
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Men who reject you On a previous thread, a guy declined multiple dates with a woman who he was dating without offering alternative dates/ times. Men were calling her dramatic and spoiled for ending the relationship and finding a new guy on tinder. In case anyone missed it: Boy logic: Wow. I really would like to see this girl again, but work is just so busy and this is the third time she's tried in three consecutive days. I wish I could commit to something or propose an alternative because she re…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/25 02:29 AM
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Oh. I just noticed. Yeah... her...
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/25 02:18 AM
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Who is telling women to ignore red flags? It's always irrevocably sarcastic any time I've seen it said or said it myself, sort of like: "Yeah, ladies... go have your fun with the bad boys. Don't say we didn't warn you." If you can't sense the sarcasm in that, it's entirely a skill problem. What happens more is that men here hold women entirely accountable for ignoring red flags. Men will say from the heart that they wish women would ignore the hot guy with enough red flags to host a communist pa…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/25 01:37 AM
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But if she's single and not well on her way to starting a family, why would you take anything she says seriously? She played her cards so pathetically bad that she now has to punch down to feel good about herself, and the only way she can punch down at you is if you make her in any way feel that she is better than you - and taking her seriously would validate her in that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 08:18 PM
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Also has to have some disagreeability, with the ability to be an asshole when warranted. Women will unabashedly use agreeable, docile men to their benefit, but I don't think women have much respect, if any, for spineless yes-men.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 05:52 PM
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Or men that would prefer not to gamble their time and money away on fickle, often feckless, women that have already had children with deadbeats.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 04:35 PM
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What? Those traditional behaviors are way older than the lamenting about modern dating. Right, and we have stripped all of the tradition from marriage and the family unit... so why are men still expected to uphold these traditions?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 04:29 PM
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I made a post the other day asking why these people (most specifically married women) were compelled to be here and antagonize/lambast jaded dudes - unfortunately the post was deleted because it was deemed a circle-jerk, but there was a lot of insight in that thread about why women are here.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 03:22 PM
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Weird flex, but OK
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/25 02:28 AM
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It's kind of funny how people assume high-value stops at looks, money, and status, when it goes so much further than that. It's about his character and level of self-respect too, and no self-respecting man would choose a single mother over options that don't come with someone else's kid(s) in tow.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/25 06:56 PM
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That's low value behavior... a high-value guy would never raise another man's kid or save a single mother from her mistake(s).
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/25 05:58 PM
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You know what they say... Don't stick your dick in crazy. It absolutely goes both ways. I don't try to control men, per se, because they are more individualistic and rejecting towards any sort of peer pressure; and what I mean by that is it's far easier to try to convince woman that they're making some poor choices, versus convincing a man. Men can be stubborn.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/25 11:40 PM
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I saw it in my personal life. It wasn't every single one, but I saw a few really good women get absolutely tainted by some shitty dudes. I'm not saying people can't have sex with whoever they want, but it's ludicrous to deny that sometimes this can have some bad consequences.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/25 11:39 PM
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So go off with that choatic bad boy or drug dealer whose gonna fuck your life up. Go feel the spark of drama and chaos that husband-material guy will never live up to. It's your choice, but you can't say you weren't warned.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/25 10:12 PM
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How about dog moms?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/25 08:06 PM
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You know why he didn't say that, though? Because he was interested. She was just impatient.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/25 03:24 PM
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"Sorry, that's the only night I have to organize my cutlery based on the positive energy it gives off"
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/25 03:48 AM
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I think both you and I know there was more to it than that. She was giving off BPD-level clingy vibes trying 3 days in a row for a same day date when he was probably giving indeterminately busy vibes. We all know he didn't reject her, she just overreacted because he would not rearrange his schedule and priorities for her on short notice. She was obviously really into him. 5 days? Trying 3 days in a row and getting overly emotional about it to hang up the phone and instantly go on Tinder? Come on…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/25 03:38 AM
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https://np.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/1kh2t4y/men_need_to_be_aware_that_they_are_easily/
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/25 09:10 PM
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So you'd eat a cheesesteak, but not a Philly cheesesteak?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/25 09:07 PM
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It means she probably has an army of simps in addition to an attention addiction
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/25 09:05 PM
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But a guy who dropped his priorities at work to be with a woman would be signalling a lack of self-respect in addition to desperation.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/25 08:50 PM
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A man who drops his priorities for a woman is likely doomed to being replaced by a man who doesn't do this.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/25 08:11 PM
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Burning the midnight oil to make a good impression in your career isn't improving?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/25 08:09 PM
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Bingo. The guy obviously had something she wanted, otherwise she wouldn't have gone on 5 dates with him; and would have just ghosted him as soon as she found the replacement.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/25 08:04 PM
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she tried 3 days in a row, he's busy, and she overreacted. It's that easy.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/25 03:01 AM
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There're horror stories with any sort of dietary "extremism." The realest truth that I try to live by is that real food will always be better for your body than fake food.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/25 01:43 AM
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I guess I can understand why you took it that way, but I think most men wouldn't even need 5 dates to ghost her if she's the type to do things like rub men in another guy's face. My interpretation is that she was testing to see if he was a giga-simp who would drop his life to cater to hers. That's pretty standard for women as they weigh long-term relationship potential it seems, so it was just her entitlement running amok on that same old programming. The guy could be working 12 hours a day on i…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/25 01:21 AM
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Posted my take on that several times in this thread already, but I guess I'll do it again... Purely logical based on the information in the OP, since we only have so much information to go off of here. It seems like the arrangement they have is: she texts him, and if they're both free then they go on a date later that day. It's also obvious that she is the one who is chasing hard, and trying to set a same-day date up 3 days in a row is pretty needy. Women would get seriously icked by the same be…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/25 01:06 AM
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Good lord I can't even fathom the BPD texts
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/25 12:57 AM
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absorbs less oil and bacteria than cotton. We have space-age detergents and access to clean water... Do you not wash your pillow case once a week?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/25 12:31 AM
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All 3 examples you gave are situations where these people could have gotten those jobs with other degrees. A useless degree can get you work, but it's in more of a participation trophy sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/25 12:14 AM
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Satin a step up from cotton? It's plastic that doesn't breathe.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/25 12:05 AM
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Veganism was never really about logic, but you often see it used for moral grandstanding.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 10:29 PM
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Perhaps this might be an "elbows too pointy" comment, but it looks like she's one cheeseburger away from ballooning. The upper arms are the give-away. IYKYK Also the neck is too short :)
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 10:15 PM
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I explained exactly my thoughts as to why. It sounds like she was trying to plan same-day dates, for one. I bet every date has been spur of the moment if their schedules line up, so why should the guy expect any different for the 6th date?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 10:10 PM
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(This is most likely the cause of "dead bedrooms" as well, straight men seek out reserved, borderline asexual women then magically expect them to become enthusiastically sexual beings after marriage?, doesn't work that way.) I don't think you could be any further from the mark here. The dead bedroom thing seems more likely to be a consequence of a woman with highly sexual past not being attracted to the man she settled down with. Perhaps those women are asexual at the time being, but a lot of th…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 10:06 PM
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Polyester satin This is the wrong type of fiber for your face and hair. You got duped by false advertising if you bought that pillow case because it said "good for hair and skin"
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 10:00 PM
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Mid-day sun before work Taking bets: hooker or aspiring e-girl/influencer
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 08:39 PM
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He's a moron for... doing what she prefers?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 08:32 PM
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Interpretive dance, creative writing, etc. Basically anything where the degree holder probably won't end up using it in a professional setting. I mean shit, if you go to school for history and then end up paper-pushing in a corporate office somewhere - that's a useless history degree.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 08:01 PM
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I'll tell you why men say it. Because you can give a woman "everything she's ever wanted," and she'll still want more.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 07:49 PM
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Did you pick up on that she was trying to set up same-day dates? Perhaps that is her preference, and perhaps he was playing into her preference by not proposing a future date; instead waiting for her to ask on a day where he wasn't as busy.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 07:46 PM
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a whole week a few days doesn't propose an alternative Was there room for an alternative? "For the past few days she has been asking him to go out and he has been unable to every single day, due to work" Given the above quote, to me it sounds like her preference is same-day planning of dates. If so, it makes total sense why he's not presenting alternatives. they don't want to see you If this behavior went on for weeks, sure; but a few days? Come on now.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 07:36 PM
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I mean, reading into the information available: It sounds like she was trying to plan same-day dates, for one. If that is her preference, then perhaps she needed to wait a few more days to catch him on a day where work wasn't so busy? There's this thing called patience... it's a virtue, you know?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 07:23 PM
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Entitlement really is at the centre of OP's anecdote. The woman thought the guy would go giga-simp and rearrange his schedule and life for her after just a handful of dates, but she didn't get her way so basically had an adult hissy fit.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 07:12 PM
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"Sorry, I'm going to be too busy with work and other stuff this week." "I told you yesterday, I'm busy this week." Rejected? Nah, he was busy being an adult with responsibilities and she was mad that he wasn't willing to rearrange his schedule for her.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 06:57 PM
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Are you OK?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 06:53 PM
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I'm not defending his behavior. I'm adding context and correcting you on the meaning and intent of the quote, which is much easier when it's presented in the full context.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 06:47 PM
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Are you shocked that women don’t like the guy that fawns over “grabbing ‘em by the pussy”? He wasn't fawning over how much it pleases him to grab women by the pussy, he was actually kind of low-key sharing his disgust of how women would willingly degrade themselves in his presence. The full context (paraphrased) is essentially: "Women are desperate around a guy with lots of money and power. They'll let you do anything. You can grab em by the pussy" And do keep in mind this was on a SHOCK-jock's …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 06:17 PM
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Surely you have something to back up your stance other than "just because bro"
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 05:45 PM
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If she's going to throw away a reasonably fulfilling relationship because she didn't get her way one time, I'd consider that dodging a bullet. The other guy can put up with that shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 05:36 PM
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You're getting so hung up on the semantics. Underwater basket weaving is a meme that represents basically all of these niche humanities degrees where you see a disproportionate amount of women studying, and most of these women won't find a job where they actually put their niche degree to use. Every "stat" you dropped is almost entirely irrelevant to what you're responding to. Just because there are women studying law and medicine doesn't mean there aren't a lot of women studying useless degrees…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 05:28 PM
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100%. They all say it's about intelligence, but I know total morons with degrees and geniuses without degrees. In fact, some of the wisest people I have ever met didn't finish university
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 05:09 PM
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When I was getting my degree and working part time, I met a guy at one of said jobs who had no formal education but he was very bright and had a passion for science - especially physics. When business was slow, we would chat about all sorts of things - brilliant discussions that never would have happened if I assumed he was just some dumb pleb who was undeserving of discussing science. He wanted to be a physicist, but going to university just wasn't in the cards for him - he got baby-trapped pre…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 04:54 PM
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but you're just showing how poorly educated you are lol Just call me a dumb redneck or something so I can wipe the tears away with my forklift certification
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 07:45 PM
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What's the problem? People who want protection from M,M, & R are vaccinated, so why would you feel sorry or concerned for anyone that gets it that isn't vaccinated?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 07:32 PM
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Soggy knees? Seriously? If anything, it is women being sexist and discriminatory towards men by being unaccepting of them if they aren't manly in a stereotypical sense. It has nothing to do with inferiority or any of the nonsense you just mentioned, unless it is actually your own internalized misogyny you might be projecting onto men. It's funny... All of this talk about diversity, inclusion, etc, but men can't seem to get a bone and must generally adhere to a kind of binary masculinity.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 07:05 PM
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It's probably something the guy is doing Tee hee
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 04:18 PM
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"Hmm, people are avoiding me at a very specific time where I become an aggressive, insufferable bitch Maybe I should curb this behavior so people won't avoid me during this unfortunate "period" that occurs once a month ... Nah, they just hate women" 💅🏻🤷‍♀️ Post #252363657 that goes to show how some women have no ability for self-reflection other than seeing themselves as the main character that can do no wrong in the play that is their life.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 04:16 PM
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No, but plenty of women here will tell a guy he should have sex with his buddies if he makes even the slightest criticism of women that indicates his unwillingness to participate in the current dating culture.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 03:36 PM
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When a guy wants to fuck, I don't think you can say he wouldn't want to fuck a specific person or that he would rather not fuck. Chad's actions should have taught you this - when he wants to fuck but he can't score a really attractive woman, he starts to dip into the pool of undesirables to a degree.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 03:31 PM
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This is gonna be good
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/25 05:29 PM
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So he got her like that? Woof She probably cooks damn good food too Lots of potential if she got in really good shape without overdoing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/25 04:40 AM
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That's egregious because they have probably been dating since highschool or college, where no doubt she was a smokeshow before the child or eating problem weight
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/25 04:31 AM
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You just typed a whole lot of words and didn't really say if or why I'm wrong. It's one of those compliments a woman gives to her competition, whether you like it or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/25 03:54 AM
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I'm actually pretty critical of men wearing sweatpants in public, too; I just wanted to tease her u/ThatBitchA
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 07:54 PM
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If you really want to nitpick that much, go ahead. It does nothing for the conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 07:46 PM
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https://np.reddit.com/r/etymology/comments/e94qsn/any_link_between_cuck_and_cuckoo_bird_name/ No, it is unknowingly raising another male's offspring.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 07:09 PM
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It's totally within reason to call it a quasi-cuckoldry, but it's not literal cuckoldry. Quasi because you know you are raising another man's kids, rather than not knowing as she commits paternity fraud like you see with the cuckoo bird. Cucking is quite literally unknowingly raising the offspring of a different male. https://np.reddit.com/r/etymology/comments/e94qsn/any_link_between_cuck_and_cuckoo_bird_name/ A lion comes in and kills all of the offspring of the previous pride leader, etc. It's…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 07:03 PM
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It's not literal cuckoldry, but it definitely is one of the more beta things a man can do.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 06:25 PM
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-Less room for your own children. eg: I want three children of my own, but she only wants to give me one or two because she has one or two already. -Why would I want raise another man's kid(s) unless it's adopting because of infertility or something like that? -The original father of her kid(s) will probably still be in the picture, and chances are good he's an asshole. In other words: baby-daddy drama, and she might even still love him even though he was an asshole, a shit father, and a shit hu…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 06:23 PM
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You just found out women give each other bad advice? We talk about this shit all the time. You're probably hot, she's probably jealous, and she wants you to sabotage your value to men. If you start doing onlyfans, then she can tell men at the office that you're a virtual prostitute and then she can get their romantic attention instead of you.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 05:48 PM
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Same, it's pointless flattery to go out of your way to do this regularly on some kind of principle. I give compliments where they are due, to both men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 05:34 PM
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In this clip a woman has been feeling so neglected by men in public that she suggests bringing cat calling back. She even walked past a construction site... Silence. Wait a minute... Women got what they wanted, and this is a problem? I've heard since I was in diapers that cat-calling women is wrong, but apparently not cat-calling an attention seeking whore is just as wrong. *shrug* Just goes to show that you can never truly please women.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 05:32 PM
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Quotas. They needlessly increase the competition between men for what few remaining spots are left after the quota to elevate women is met. Tons of men are left behind so women can succeed. Mens needs are basically to satisfy hypergamy through hard work and merit, and that's nigh on impossible if society inorganically holds men back to ensure women succeed. You see this in education, white collar careers (hell, even blue collar now), etc. Lots of men realize it's a waste of effort to even try pl…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 05:24 PM
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That book and the author are misguided. While there are some interesting topics in Of Boys And Men, Reeves and many other MRA-adjacent men that the media is giving air-time to right now are approved authorities because they keep pushing the idea that women's ascension/success does not come at a cost to men - that is to say they are refusing to acknowledge a central part of why young men are failing while young women are doing laps around men. Plus, Reeve's "solutions" for the men failing problem…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 03:45 PM
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that’s why my dad ended up getting 2 women pregnant Sounds like being an aloof deadbeat worked for him. Sorry to hear it had an impact on your upbringing, but it's women that enable the behavior. Until women stop prioritizing dickheads for passionate relationships and children, you're going to see men carrying themselves in this manner.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 05:35 PM
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As it should. We are animals after all.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 05:13 PM
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You missed the quiet part that they don't say out loud... They "just want a man who is good" who also has great capacity to do physical damage if and when he wants to. Murderers and violent thugs get lots of sexual attention because they are pre-selected on the notion of being capable of physical damage, which is an unconscious desire that women seek out for the protection of the offspring. I don't make the rules, I just make observations.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 05:09 PM
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Basically being self centered and not actually giving a fuck about others is the viable way I sense your sarcasm, but honestly this is the way of carrying yourself that will get better results than being the type of guy that is selfless and gives too many fucks - perhaps not in a qualitative sense, but aloof and self-centred will quantitatively always work out better.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 04:58 PM
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How hobosexual. Very good at triggering the strong "I can fix him" instinct some women have (to their detriment)
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 03:45 PM
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I mean, the fact you're even asking is telling me you probably saw something there.... so you should have tried to continue the conversation in whatever way you saw fit right after the thanks. "Can you believe these prices? I'm going to need a second mortgage soon."
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 06:12 AM
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She just earned the nickname Sugar.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 06:07 AM
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Going to bed together/waking up in the morning next to her is better than waking up feeling like I've had a good night's sleep. GIWTWM
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 06:05 AM
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Was she standing there awkwardly for a few seconds (perhaps waiting for you to keep things going?) after the compliment?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 06:02 AM
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If she created room for the conversation to keep going, you could have kept it going. If she just instantly went about her shopping, then she appreciated the comment but wasn't interested in further conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 05:57 AM
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There's absolutely nothing wrong with a genuine compliment, not even just to women. Jackets are an investment and fashion statement. I've always fawned over compliments on any of my jackets.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 05:54 AM
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I picked up on the sarcasm, but I think what the OP is referring to is the try-hard level of care some guys will put in early on. He's talking being overly decent and egregiously humanitarian to one person on the basis that it might evolve into a relationship. Most men have to learn the hard way that this is not a good approach, and an advanced level of caring comes when she's earned it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 05:47 AM
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Short term, I think caring is seen as a bit too beta of a trait; so it's best to start really low and slowly increase the dosage, as it's 100% required for a long term relationship. In general it seems the more giving you are to a woman early on is actually more likely to be seen as unattractive desperation. That is to say it isn't manipulation, but actually a sign that a guy can be manipulated; if she isn't downright repulsed by the over-caring nature up-front.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 05:37 AM
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Some people will say never take the free lunch. Many women ignored that memo.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 05:30 AM
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I don't respect him because he pisses people off. I respect him because he has balls, and him having balls just so happens to be really pissing a lot of people off.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 05:19 AM
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Holy shit, the anecdotal cool wine aunt. Thanks for sharing. Take notes, ladies. Real life is not a sitcom Most red pilled guys will tell you the precise point of no return was when they realized love and life isn't like a hollywood movie.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 05:11 AM
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So you think it's without a doubt that he sexually assaulted that woman in a department store? Or that he was implying in any way that you should "grab em by the pussy," rather than suggesting that with his wealth and status "[they let you/]you can grab em by the pussy." Shit, I'm Canadian; so what the fuck does it even really matter? The only damn reason I support him in any fashion is because I think they're so obviously trying to cancel him and throw away the key, and it's pretty entertaining…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 05:00 AM
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If that's what you got from what I said, you or I really need to go to bed lol
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 04:48 AM
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the majority of male self help content is “be a successful alpha male like me or you’re a loser” Reread what I wrote: "you attribute this big daddy manosphere grifter personality with what the average guy here is like." And to imply I watch equally nefarious female manosphere grifters because I think women want men to be men so they can be women and muh algorithm is just rich.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 04:19 AM
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I think trump won because he's anti-woke in a time people fucking hate how progressive some things have become. Think of it as a pendulum swinging back... A lot of guys just wanted to play video games.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 04:16 AM
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You're basically saying it is men that hold other men to this standard, when it is most certainly not. I think most men are actually far more accepting of other guys being their own individual than anyone gives them credit for, and you attribute this big daddy manosphere grifter personality with what the average guy here is like. It's not that at all for most of us, but I'm not necessarily speaking for the group. It is some women that hold men to this standard, and the trad simps will defend, or…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 04:00 AM
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You realize patriarchy is dead right? At least in the sense that you're just getting mad at the echoes of patriarchy, which was thrown into the proverbial well by the notion that society will operate better if women are allowed to act as men. This "patriarchy" you're raging about is actually just the modern demands of women, reinforced almost solely by women. It is women echoing what patriarchy used to purport, which is that men need to be men so women can be women.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 03:50 AM
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I'm really interested to know how you drew that conclusion from what was being said.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 03:56 PM
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I mean, sure; but it is you that must accept that the guys who can fulfill your desires are often cut from a different cloth than that of which men who would make good husbands come from. So make the choice: orgasms, or a fulfilling family life. If nature thought women's sexual pleasure was important, it would have made the female orgasm necessary for fertilization.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 11:04 PM
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men who actually pay attention to details would understand their woman's sexual wants and needs Just world fallacy. Completely ignoring how women often expect men to be mind-readers, but also very dismissive of the idea that a man who puts too much stake into a woman's wants and needs is generally the type of guy who loses the respect and lust of said woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 10:22 PM
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People in this thread are conveniently glazing over the entire point (as I see it) of this post... Women will say one thing in a very matter of fact sort of way and then proceed to do the complete opposite while tee-heeing about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 10:19 PM
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Are you sure? Seems oddly specific...
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 09:36 PM
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Plenty women [...] prefer average men lmao Yeah, plenty of women would prefer Bill the plumber over investment banker Chad. This is going in my "women blatantly lie to hide their shallowness" folder
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 09:30 PM
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Yes, a guy who has time to listen intently and enrich her life in the way she claims to want is not spending enough time focusing on his passions - he stops living for himself and his purpose, which is one of the qualities that seems highly attractive to women. I take everything women claim to want from men with a grain of salt, because quite often it's just virtue-signalling (saying what sounds good) that isn't actually reflected by reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 09:26 PM
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This is a phenomenal take.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 09:24 PM
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secure forensic psychiatric hospital Is this in reference to Adolescence?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 09:18 PM
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You just mentioned one of the central issues: Any complaint or criticism of ANY woman is instantly seen as misogyny. While this mindset exists, it is basically like women don't want to even consider coming to the bargaining table; and that we just need to "shut up accept them exactly as they are." Could men do a better job at delivering this criticism? Absolutely. Should men sugar-coat the criticism? Hell no.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 09:11 PM
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Because if they don't need to stomach any risk and can still meet their goals, why should they? And risky behaviour and facing rejection is also far more of an expectation for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 09:02 PM
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sometimes women have causal sex with ugly losers who don’t have a job Not in any significant numbers they aren't. What's far more common is women having casual relationships with handsome bums, sometimes going as far as having their children.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 08:59 PM
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I wonder what the tipping point will be where this gets seriously talked about in the mainstream. When men start burning the village just to feel some of the warmth the tribe doesn't offer them. I was pleasantly surprised to see Gavin Newsom had Scott Galloway on his podcast very recently, and they talked almost entirely about mens issues. To me, this is a signal that even the people who you wouldn't think would care about men's issues are starting to take things a bit more seriously - most spec…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 08:31 PM
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Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Meaning: I have sympathy if it happens once, but if it keeps happening with different men it sounds like your type is assholes.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 07:18 PM
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What's with this hivemind trend where you women are saying the bluepill and redpill are the same thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 04:22 AM
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I think traditional methods of meeting young (think high-school sweethearts) completely debunk the blackpill, but that's ignoring the majority of the population that doesn't have the high-school love thing pan out for whatever reason and resort to less traditional methods of shacking up.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 04:17 AM
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That's not how the RP says it, though. Rather: women ride the alpha dick carousel in their youth, then settle for Billy betas when they hit a wall (at 30), whom they're NOT attracted to, to use them for their money, not "giving" them any sex and always reminiscing about the alpha dick they had, and later filing for divorce. What you're glazing over is how there is an extreme difference between the alphafuxx a woman is highly attracted to in her fun years versus the stable betabuxx for the settli…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 03:56 AM
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Women's standards are only reasonable if they are fine with the men that don't meet them doing their own thing that doesn't involve women or dating/relationships, but that's where the problem lies - women have these high standards, but still expect the guys that will never meet them to bend over backwards to "try" to meet them; and some women get very vocal about these men "walking away." So, yes: women's standards are perfectly reasonable if we want to perpetuate this system where most men will…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 12:11 AM
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Why? Then it would look like I did cast a vote, and in the absence of any massive election audit they would know nothing about who I voted for. A non-vote says way more than a throwaway or spoiled ballot.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 09:48 PM
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Because I was interested in what women specifically thought of an MRA-adjacent guy having at least a chance of being the leader of a country.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 09:16 PM
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Right... because the young conservative guy from the prairies understands Canadians less than the international central-banker who is on a first-name basis with the entire Blackrock board.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 09:13 PM
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Women will often say things they don't actually believe simply because it will make them appear in a better light. eg: You might hear a woman say "I like intelligent, kind, cultured men," but if you dig you may find most, or all, of her ex-boyfriends or sexual partners were knuckle-dragging sports bros.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 09:03 PM
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If you think asking for consent isn't sexy, you should see Christian Gray do it. Lmao. If a wildly successful guy like Christian Gray (who also fucks like a wild animal) asked for consent in real life, I'm almost 100% certain it would be an instant ick to pretty much any woman that was otherwise interested. Furthermore, the guy who is so afraid of risk that he asks would never in a million years fuck at Christian Gray's calibre; and he wouldn't find himself even close to reaching Christian Gray'…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 08:35 PM
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What did you learn? That election would have been in Kamala's grasp if the polling wasn't so bad. The way the polling was done (with a huge Kamala bias despite terrible performance in her campaign), I think it encouraged more trump bros to get out to try to tip the scales; and it also made some Kamala sisters stay home because it was obviously in the bag going off of the the biased polling. That, among other things, lost Kamala the election, at least in my opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 02:51 AM
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I think there's some stale air of entitlement here. It's like, "I shouldn't have to be interesting," or something like that. To make a contrapoint: you should want to be interesting. Every man that wants the purest form of female love that isn't his mother simply has to cultivate that... je na sais quoi... and you can't really do that as a really boring guy. Think back to the interesting people you've met, and then try to remember the boring ones... Chances are good that the interesting people l…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 02:41 AM
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I personally didn't cast a vote. I thought not voting sent more of a message than a throwaway.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 02:12 AM
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It's really obvious when someone desires their partner vs when they don't, it isn't some strange concept that's impossible to measure. I'm not sure how you came to this conclusion, but there's a shitload of deception going on in many relationships. Men pretend to love to get continuous sex and many women seem to be oblivious to this until it's way too late, and women pretend to love to get continuous boyfriend treatment and many men seem to be oblivious to this until it's way too late...
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/25 11:17 PM
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Perhaps it's not mental illness, but rather sensitive men strongly reacting to the idea that love is dead (or at least not the same as the idealistic love/romance they had yearned for as younger men)?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/25 11:15 PM
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This comment deserves gold Edit: the insta-downvote (you know who you are) makes me think u/Alarmed_Load8145 's comment actually deserves diamonds
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/25 11:08 PM
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Having role models feels so adolescent. You're just playing yourself with a mindset like this. Basically every highly successful inventor, philosopher, etc. had a mentor/role-model, even as adults. Plato's mentor was Aristotle. Einstein had various people you could attribute as his mentors. A smart man learns from his own experiences. A wise man learns from his own experiences in addition to the experiences of others.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/25 11:04 PM
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Any man who stands a chance to make a quick buck by flip-flopping/betraying his ideals or principles, but chooses not to sell out. There are various grifters who have changed their tune because of money (eg: Jordan Peterson), and others who stick to speaking the truth for free no matter how much they stand to profit by selling the lie (eg: Thomas Sowell)
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/25 11:00 PM
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No, men don't cheat "cuz porn." The reality is that women think men are cheaters because the top tier of men, those men that basically all women would prefer, have so many options that their commitment is very fragile. Mistreat or disrespect these guys and they'll have no worries just leaving for another woman who treats them right. I believe many women have experienced this at least once in their 20s, so many falsely think all men are cheaters because they keep going for the very group of men t…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/25 05:14 PM
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Q 4 Canadian Women: Does it trouble you that Pollievre actually has a chance despite putting little to no effort into appealing/pandering to women?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/25 04:53 PM
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You're going to have to shovel horse shit if you want to own horses. Meaning: People make compromises when they find someone/something they really like, and sunk costs in terms of time invested in that relationship can keep people around far longer than they should be staying.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/25 06:43 AM
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Nah, the gay colleague playing work husband isn't emotionally cheating - it's established that there is no chance of any funny business on the basis of unmatched sexual orientations, so it's playful sassy stuff really. It's when she's got that work-husband arrangement with a guy she's attracted to at the office when there can be some serious emotional cheating, of the kind that may well lead to sexual infidelity.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/25 06:37 AM
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If you're not enhancing one another, why be together?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/25 10:21 PM
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name and flair checks out
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/25 10:14 PM
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Established groups don't want to be infiltrated by dudes who are just trying to get laid. Have you ever seen the death of a hobby timeline/meme? Your comment reminds me of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/25 05:14 PM
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But on the other hand, to say a man has 100% control over his destiny in dating is equally fallacious. There are a lot of things that are beyond a man's control - such as 'women are the choosers,' for one.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/25 04:52 PM
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Ugh, that possessiveness is so dangerous. It's like they get it in their head that they 100% have you, and nothing anyone says or does can stop it - not even the guy saying "no." This is the type of woman that will stalk you or do other really creepy shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/25 04:47 PM
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Whatever game is making you wield shaming insults with an ad-hom sort of manner, with only weak "journalism" interpreting bad science as your shield. Just yikes. You're a most great white knight, or a woman larping as a guy on PPD.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/25 01:13 AM
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If ad hominem is your way of playing the game, then sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/25 11:16 PM
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I think most of these studies are flawed because: -men and women operate on entirely different sexual and reproductive strategies, but these sociologists and journalists still seem to draw conclusions from this idea that men and women are even close to sexually equal -circumstances change, just to rephrase what you said; and to take one single measurement from one particular point in time in a group of 18-25 year olds and think you can draw any kind of conclusions on hookup culture from this dat…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/25 10:53 PM
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Did you get debate advice from some vindictive woman before you typed that comment? Yikes
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/25 10:47 PM
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Your views are only unpopular to those that think a woman doing anything for a man is oppression or whatever feminist buzzword is the flavor of the month. Luckily, that's a shrinking minority; though they have been very vocal in the past and the brainrot did manage to spread a lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/25 09:17 PM
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This whole Mr. Right can't simply want to just fuck is a mindset that is probably doing you ladies more damage than good, because many of you still have a mr insta/only-fucks on the side regardless. The entire dating culture is pretty casual. With any decent guy, you probably have to expect it's going to be casual at first; since he probably has many options too. "My future husband has to wait and want me for more than sex, but this handsome lowlife can have me just for sex." Absolute comedy. I'…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/25 03:53 AM
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You would have to restore merit-based equality to the education and career ladders. If you hold men back to prop women up, of course the pool of highly successful men will be smaller than the pool of equally successful women. Until men and women compete on an equal playing field, it's going to be extremely difficult for highly successful women to find equally successful men.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 08:08 PM
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"I didn't get mine, so nobody else should either." It's kind of the inverse of "fuck you, I got mine."
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 07:26 PM
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Why are goals and ambition always attached to corporate careers Because nothing is free, and most major life goals will have some sort of monetary investment required. Climbing everest isn't some career goal, but you sure as shit aint going to do it for free. Building a house isn't a career goal, but you sure as shit aint going to do it for free. Career is the basis by which average people can have the means to explore passion projects and pursue life-goals, so one might argue that career goals …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/25 05:58 PM
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learned helplessness I would actually call it princess opportunism. They know there will be people (usually men - fathers, brothers, friendzoned simps, etc.) that will rush over to fix a leak or change a flat tire, so they fall back on this many times when something pops up that they don't want to fix or deal with. If abused, this opportunism can lead to learned helplessness or worse: weaponized incompetence.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 06:09 PM
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Do you avoid compulsively/repeatedly lying to people because you know it will ruin your credibility? Did The Boy Who Cried Wolf give you your first introduction to this concept? Fiction is a very powerful tool for shaping ideas and morals, especially for those that are young and lacking life experiences.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 05:05 PM
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Often she's literally (as written in the original text) plain or average. In Cinderella's case, she is referred to as "the ugly stepsister."
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 04:48 PM
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It depends entirely on the man. There are absolutely cases, most probably when the guy is still highly attractive and has a good rapport, where divorced is taken as a green flag for whatever twisted reason - some call it pre-selection... Do you go outside that stings bro, you caught me at a tough time in my life
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 03:03 AM
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What's mortifying is how people are interpreting it as red pill evil and men bad, instead of looking at it like women are falling for handsome badboys and it's quite literally ruining their lives because evil spreads. There's a much bigger message that is being completely ignored because gotta attack muh red pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 02:14 AM
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Lmao, you literally aren't making that up. Plus it's "revenge," right? Double trouble afaik... But hey, let's just gloss over that so we can make the red pill and shy white boys take the piss and be the bad guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 02:05 AM
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If you don't think a kid defying his adoptive father by shouting AND slamming a door in his face over a jacket isn't reason enough to maybe consider some kind of therapy to evaluate the trauma of a divorce and rocky childhood, then God help you MachineMan718. I'm red pilled, but this whole "psychology is dumb and men shouldn't get therapy" schtick is getting tired
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 01:20 AM
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But at the same time, women often treat Chad too good and directly expose him to their fickleness. For example, think of a Chad in an office setting with lots of women... how often do you think married women are making advances or trying to get his attention and validation? Think of how jaded you would become if you observed concerning lack of loyalty in the women around you. And it doesn't even have to be about sex... some women emotionally cheat (like with a Chad at the office) well before the…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 05:38 PM
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Chad Jr. was the one which shat all over Katie, by spreading her nudes, but he doesn't get shit for that. See, I don't get why the show doesn't use this as the central plot element. Women (of all ages) are the ones consuming this show, so why not cater the message around not falling under Chad's spell and allowing oneself to be used and abused? Instead, they focused on "red pill and incels bad" while completely ignoring why the red pill and incels even exist - because Chad gets all the action an…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 04:06 PM
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So because children have a non-zero chance of being involved in a tragedy, we should normalize indecent exposure? What kind of logic is this? That's like saying a kid can obtain fentanyl and other drugs on the street, therefore we should lower the drinking age.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 03:56 PM
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He is paraphrasing what Jordan Peterson said, and he posted a link to the source of Jordan Peterson saying it... You cult of science people are hilarious. "SoUrCe?!1"
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 03:41 PM
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Classic case of a woman getting "revenge" on Chad by torturing Billy
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 03:36 PM
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That's a really good take, but I absolutely think there is a certain level of ego a guy does need; though it can't be all bark with no bite. High self-confidence that is attractive to women usually comes with some sort of egotism.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 01:33 AM
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If you are open to the idea of hypergamy (one of the pillars of red pill thought), surely you can see what a disaster it has been to discriminate against men to prop women up as a whole in all avenues of education and career - most specifically in white collar careers. Women have been skewed in a direction that they on average are better than average men, so think of how far above average a guy has to be to be better than his average looks equivalent - that's a lot of averages! Then you add in t…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 01:26 AM
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I'm not sure what your point is... Is it that an ego is bad? because an ego isn't something that makes a guy less attractive to a woman. In fact, an huge ego is often seen as high confidence/arrogance; so it can actually be an attractive quality for men to exude around women. Good luck trying to convince men that women hate an ego, when we all watched the guys with the biggest egos score the most in high school and college.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 12:45 AM
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Right... you can simply use logic and reason on a kid with oppositional defiant disorder and everything is going to be OK... lmfao
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 12:34 AM
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Hell, plenty of divorced dad's manage to find love, too. This isn't the gotcha you think it is, especially when you consider that women flock to pre-selected men. There's a weird psychology at play when it comes to pre-selection, and I can almost guarantee a divorced man with a trash personality (whose ex-wife was right to leave) will have more luck and success at dating than a guy who is the same age with a better personality but without a previous marriage behind him.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 12:31 AM
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Equilibrium. All complex systems move toward equilibrium. And what I mean by this is: Eventually women will realize that having all of these options and exercising them is spoiling their appetite for the men that would make for good husbands. Stuffing your face with sweets (casual hookups, situationships) might feel good in the moment, but in due time they will realize why boring healthy food (dating with the express purpose of finding a husband) is a way better long-term option. I pin this need…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 04:20 PM
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I don't think these matter much at all if she sees some other major benefit in being with him on a longer term (like money), but the average guy without F-U money should be a good partner yes - he's the most susceptible to a woman running off for a good dicking by chad from the office.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/25 04:10 AM
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Sad truth that most people don't want to accept.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/25 04:00 AM
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Well said
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/25 04:00 AM
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I mean sure, but in my observations they are usually discriminating against the men they could be in relationships with in favor of pursuing men that are way out of their league.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/25 04:55 PM
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Why is he marrying her and then whining about no spark? Because women will often front-load sex in relationships only to drastically pull back once they secure what they want (marriage, etc). At the start of the relationship, she fooled him into thinking the spark was there with lots of passionate, enthusiastic sex; and he got played. I see this dynamic play out an uncomfortable majority of the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/25 03:58 PM
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has a past of being alone and never finding a relationship before you (which comes with its own baggage) I always just assume this type of woman was a Harem Harpy for various Chads and is completely unsalvageable.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/25 03:53 PM
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Women love to pretend the men they want intensely passionate sexual relationships with are the same men they want long term stability and relatioship security from, and most men observe this is not true.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/25 03:15 PM
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If you take into account the entire global male population. But, if you isolate for certain populations the average differs; and if you look at the specific subset of men getting the most sex, you'll probably see that the dicks women return to are definitely longer and girthier than the global average.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/25 03:08 PM
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Dick size is more important for short term relationships, wallet size is more important for long term
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/25 03:05 PM
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If you're finding out more about a person through means other than in-person conversation, you're going to run out of things to talk about on actual dates.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/25 05:26 PM
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Your first mistake was failing to acknowledge the AF/BB dichotomy. The requirement for BB is that he makes as much or more (which usually means college education), while AF can work in a lumberyard for mimumum wage and still have casual relationships (that might turn serious [think sugarmomma]) with doctors and other high-earning women. Women generally aren't entertaining these two types of men at the same time, but will line up potential BBs while she is still "having her fun."
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/25 02:15 AM
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Even if 2 was true, how does that invalidate or disprove what I stated? One random man didn't innovate, therefore no men innovate? What kind of logic is that? Seems to me like you have no rebuttal and just want to edge towards personal attacks, which is kind of proving my point that women rely heavily on approval of the group - hence why they'll try to character assassinate
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/25 12:03 AM
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I swear I've met more women around my age that are/were slobs than women who pick up after themselves. Feminism really did a number on women by convincing many to reject basic life and adulting skills like cooking and cleaning under the guise of muh oppression
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 03:25 PM
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Anyone who feels that social engineering SHOULD be used to steer society towards what THEY feel society SHOULD be is an egomaniac and needs to have their views completely disregarded. Right... Lets just give the crazies the keys to the asylum then. If you do nothing to curb any of the degeneracy that is eroding the social fabric, you're making a far greater mistake than letting people do as they please without social repercussions.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 03:08 PM
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In this case, it is simpish kindness that is seen as weak. You know, where a guy will treat a girl he just met to an expensive dinner and flowers. What women seem to want is a guy who has the ability to be both an asshole and kind. So long as she is generally the person receiving the kindness, it's far from seen as a weakness. She won't mind coffee or drinks for the first date, cause that's all he'll give her; and unless she's really asking for the mean treatment, he's generally good to her in a…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 01:42 AM
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I think this policing happens because of the damage by opportunistic women if he is too kind while also lacking in spinal fortitude. What society finds weak (overbearing kindness to the most exploitable level in this example) can easily be said to be seen as weak by women.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 01:39 AM
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It's not individual-individual shaming that matters in this discussion, but the view of the group. You don't seem to be looking at it as such. Women lean heavily on the approval of the group, where men have classically been the trend-setting type that doesn't seek approval of the tribe at large. Women are actually probably the best vector for social engineering because of this, and social-engineering doesn't necessarily have to be a deliberate and/or negative thing... I think it was a net negati…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 12:11 AM
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Women lag in certain professions, paticularly [...] leadership roles Would you say this is more of a social construct, or is there some biology in this where women naturally follow strong male leadership without wanting to usurp it?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/25 09:40 PM
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I'm not sure you can say men are more competitive, as women compete against eachother in much more covert and nefarious ways than just physical or status-based dominance. What I will also say is that women tend to be more neurotic about having the best - ie: best partner, best outfit at the party, best lifestyle... they're so much more competitive underneath the surface, but for some reason we choose to focus on aggression (specifically male) as the only metric of competitiveness - and then say …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/25 09:36 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/25 08:44 PM
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free use party Does this mean what I think it does?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/25 08:41 PM
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That account is ragebait through and through. Disagree. Even the most masculine, chauvinistic men will get worn down over time in a relationship, especially if kids come along. It's a subconscious desire that all women seem to have, which is to tame (emasculate) the beast. If a woman is consciously trying to emasculate a guy, it will probably work well because she is aware she is doing it and she can dial in the manipulation to specifically produce the desired effect.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/25 08:36 PM
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Elbows too pointy
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/25 08:29 PM
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I'm just saying it's not good messaging to tell women that they are still young and have lots of time to start a family at 35. The window is rapidly closing at said age, but some women are in so much denial thanks to drinking the kool-aid.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/25 08:20 PM
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Most of them are "men are checking out, women most affected" Like, the male check-out problem just has to be analyzed from the angle of how it impacts women; rather than doing men any service and analyzing what issues men face that are leading them to check out as they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/25 07:39 PM
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So don't care. When critical infrastructure starts failing due to shortfalls in male labor participation, you might start caring; but by then it will be too late.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/25 07:38 PM
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Right, but it's not idiotic to feel some sort of cringey feeling when a guy you really like does something you don't agree with him doing as a man; whether it's too weak or feminine (like ordering some 15$ dessert), or whatever. I can totally get the logic behind a woman being turned off if a guy orders a triple chocolate thingamabob for himself at the end of a dinner date, but she's also very mature and accepting if she avoids making some immature stink about what an ick it is. There's nature t…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/25 12:10 AM
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35 isn't "old". 🙄 The medical system, that considers pregnancy at 35 as "geriatric," disagrees with you, but OK hun.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/25 10:18 PM
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Women who wanted kids and couldn't have them because of waiting too long can and will make it everyone else's problem. We all have a vested interest in ensuring this doesn't continue.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/25 10:16 PM
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They want to have their cake and eat it too. They want the hot and passionate sex with chad, but also want the rich simp who will stay to raise a family. They want this because their 20s and 30s have basically been spent qualifying men into the alpha and beta camps - it's muscle memory at this point to see men as useful in one of two ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/25 10:14 PM
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Does a bit autistic mean "unconventional with respect to social norms?" I see a lot of people claiming autism when in reality they are just a bit underdeveloped socially. Women often choose poorly socially calibrated guys, if you accept that women love bad boys.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/25 10:10 PM
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Because she doesn't know you, doesn't want to talk to you, and has other things to do. You say this, but I don't think you realize how many women have had their days ruined because they wanted some guy to approach them in the grocery store but he thought "I shouldn't bother her, she's just here to get groceries." You're perpetuating a false perception that is harming both men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/25 10:04 PM
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If you're attractive, she'll take it as a compliment; if you're not attractive, it's harassment. The kicker... women are very covert when it comes to showing interest/attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/25 10:00 PM
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I'm not sure that anyone is really arguing the mandatory nature of dating apps. In fact, anyone who is quite authoritarian about how people should date or view the opposite sex is generally dismissed by most people. What I more commonly see with dating apps is women writing them off as shallow and dismissing any and all data that comes from them as such. Don't agree with the OKCupid attraction statistics where women rate most men as below average? Well then, just call dating apps shallow, etc., …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/25 09:53 PM
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You do realize that one of the biggest and most lucrative modern careers, streaming/internet personality/influencer, is literally about making yourself the product? The whole modern gig economy is basically built around how people are both the product and the consumer.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/25 09:45 PM
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Or is it that he's good with women, and happens to be an excellent cook as well? Women aren't the ones where you win their heart through their stomach.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/25 09:43 PM
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the "girl code," which emphasizes honesty, loyalty, and avoiding actions that could harm female friendships. <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/25 09:38 PM
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Bingo. It's the "I'm different and virtuous" aspect I'm calling bullshit on here, because most guys are coming to the understanding that women differ very little in what they're attracted to - a masculine aura, perhaps aided by masculine genetic qualities.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/25 09:36 PM
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So the guy who likes to bake and sew but doesn't know how to use a power-tool wouldn't immediately be off your radar? Yeah, I'm calling bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 04:21 PM
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I bet that sounded great in your head. Now tell us some other thing you think we want to hear.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 04:11 PM
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I think icks are beyond one's control, so be careful who you're calling an idiot here. It seems like a natural response when a woman loses respect for a man because of something he's done that might be too feminine or whatever, and "ick" was just a convenient internet-y way to describe the feeling when this experience pops up. You can't control when they happen, but you can control how you react to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 04:09 PM
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Bitch is a feeling when you're ready to start treating women the way they respond well to. Don't give him too much flak for that. It's unfortunate for those of us that are just too nice to the core to be able to treat women the way they want to be treated - so you hold out for the artsy shut in with a good dad... and you search forever. ok... TMI She tested his weak simpy approach with basic bantz. That's actually a hilarious response - "am I supposed to [remember you]?" Holy fuck, she's probabl…
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