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You know someone is valued when they are treated better than someone else (all other things being equal) No conservative society on earth treats women better than men, in any shape or form, and I doubt that even the progressive ones do that. I grew up in a relatively westernized portion of the Middle East: Even there women were often treated as second-class citizens, and it only got worse the more conservative your surroundings were. You could ask any man in those areas and none of them would ev…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/20 08:32 PM
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Women are never disposable. Because a conservative will value them just for being women. They really won't: Conservative societies readily murder women who don't stick to their prescribed roles as second-class incubators, and the rate of female poverty is about the same as that of male poverty. The punishments enacted on women who don't fit their roles are also usually much harsher than those for men who don't work. In fact, in more conservative societies it's more common for poorer women to die…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/20 08:28 PM
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No, they're still valuable for something that they can do (in this case, having children). A woman who refuses or is unable to have children in these societies is often considered worthless. This concept of "value" is also useless because it doesn't tell you anything about how said women are treated. In most conservative and especially agrarian societies, women were still expected to perform labor similar to men (go look at any non-industrial farm), while also having the added burden of childbea…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/20 08:22 PM
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Sex is something a man can do too. You're missing the point, unless we're talking about trans men here. The value placed on women here isn't in their ability to have sex, it's their ability to reproduce. So far that's biologically impossible for cis men to do by themselves, and reproduction then child rearing still very much count as labor (especially in poorer, more conservative societies).
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/20 03:47 PM
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I think you're missing the forest for the trees: Nobody is valuable for their own sake in conservative societies. You are either useful to the hierarchy or your in-group, or you're disposable. The main difference is in the kind of labor you're expected to provide (manual vs domestic and child-rearing). Men tend to be a higher class of citizen in most of those societies though because conservatism and patriarchy have gone hand in hand for most of our history.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/20 03:45 PM
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stringing them along to dump them for someone younger after 4 months. I mean...
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 04:10 PM
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I've been trying to wrap my head around this post for the last 10 minutes. You get rejected by specific people when you're young, most of whom are simply not interested as opposed to trying to harm you, and that's good justification to lie to and emotionally manipulate completely different people years later? Man RP dudes can't even describe themselves in a way that doesn't make them look like abusive assholes.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 03:48 PM
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Look at this from the other direction: If you are happy stepping out of these gender norms, then you're better off repelling the people who wouldn't accept that and attracting the people who would support you. I would rather be single than date someone who would shame me for something that's important to me or makes me happy.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 06:20 PM
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Intersectionality isn't a strict hierarchy where some people have it worse than everyone else at all times. The whole idea is that multiple factors intersect under different circumstances to create a unique situation for each group.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 04:29 AM
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I think I answered your reply on my own top-level comment
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/20 09:32 PM
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Yeah, I agree with that. And I realize the irony of saying that as I got married 2 years ago, but for us it was mostly about legal reasons and making the family happy. We both understand that we might separate one day, even though we're determined to do everything we can to stay happy together. I don't see a reason to put marriage above any other long-term relationship. Someone who was married for 2 years isn't more successful or deserving of respect than people who were unmarried but together f…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/20 09:30 PM
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I have a huge issue with calling divorce anyone's fault because you're painting a separation as a moral failure on someone's part. That might be the case when one party cheats, abuses the other, or does something massively stupid but in most cases it's nothing more than people changing in irreconcilable ways. Most people aren't static automata: They learn and grow over time, have new experiences, and change their priorities or preferences. That's normal and it doesn't stop happening simply becau…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/20 09:23 PM
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However, there is a certain point where you need to decide what is best for you and not society You're leaving out a major cause of divorce: People change over time. Most of us aren't who we were 10 years ago as our preferences and priorities may have changed. Your partner may have been a great match back then but you could easily go in different directions in that time, and not always in ways that can be reconciled or worked out through therapy. I think it's pretty naive to expect any kind of r…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/20 09:18 PM
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There are still tons of financial and legal benefits, like power of attorney if anything happens or even better mortgage rates.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/20 03:22 AM
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They're like the antivaxxers of the dating world. BuT WhAt AbOuT AdVeRsE ReAcTiOnS
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/20 03:05 AM
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I can't think of a single situation in my life where aggression was more helpful than level-headedness and calm, and that includes several violent encounters and life or death situations. Maybe it's necessary for someone who has to commit violence in their daily life, but it's an hindrance for almost everyone else. There's a difference between holding back your emotions and being emotionally constipated. It's definitely good in moderation so that they don't control you, but men are pushed to rep…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/20 02:52 PM
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Violence and aggression are almost always negative when used in situations other than self-defense because they often escalate conflicts beyond the strictly necessary, or create it where there wasn't any. Emotional constipation and repression often lead to a decreased quality of life and isolation from peers and loved ones. Not to mention that it usually leaves no acceptable emotional outlet other than aggression, so going back to point 1. Neither of those are endemic to masculinity, anyway: if …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/20 05:28 AM
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I don't really disagree with the conclusion but I think you're wrong about the cause. Most men have misogynist tendencies or ideas simply because we grew up in relatively patriarchal or misogynist societies, and the strength of these ideas increases with how conservative our initial society was. I don't think it's because we resent women as the gatekeepers of sex but rather that it's caused by most of the people around us and much of the media we consumed while growing up portraying women as les…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/20 06:19 PM
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What are male feminists hiding?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/20 01:32 PM
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I think that anyone who follows the red pill mindset is a wannabe abuse oriented psycho who may or may not be lying to themselves, but that not all of them will pull it off successfully.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/20 06:57 AM
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"Morality" is the bare fucking minimum, mate. It's not a quality to he attracted to, it's literally the least you can do to be considered a partner. Yes, there are plenty of people who date "bad guys" but it usually comes down to said guy either being really good at hiding their abusiveness and manipulating the other person, or the person dating them having gotten so accustomed to being abused through past trauma that they just don't recognize the danger anymore or assume that all relationships …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/20 06:20 PM
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laughs in polyamory
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/20 07:54 PM
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One of the biggest obstacles in OLD for men is that most sites or apps had to install measures just to keep women from getting absolutely spammed, which lead to the whole "swiping until you get a match" lottery. You either got lost in the noise (my friends' OKC inbox pre-2015 was absolutely flooded) or you're at the mercy of an algorithm which profits off of keeping you from matching for as long as possible. Straight men mostly ruined online dating for themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/20 07:42 PM
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I'll try to find the studies later, but I remember reading that primitive societies were much more egalitarian and that strict gender roles only become codified in agricultural societies
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/20 11:02 PM
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My two closest friends right now are women, and the majority of close friends I've had in my life are women. Those relationships aren't different from the ones I've had with men:.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/20 05:28 PM
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I grew up in a fairly conservative society in the Middle East, and even there most people cared about a prospective partner's intelligence and job simply because we knew most families needed a double income to get by. Middle or upper class men wanted a woman who earned a 'respectable' amount of money because they wouldn't have been able to afford good apartments, schools for their kids, and keeping up appearances with family and friends without it. Poor men wanted a woman who did any sort of job…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/20 09:12 PM
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And I disagree with that argument: If anything, I think it's contributing to raising the overall quality of men but that results in a number of men getting left behind.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/20 04:51 AM
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Feminism didn't ruin these relationships, it gave women a way out of relationships they didn't want to be in in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/20 03:18 AM
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None of those issues are caused by people being able to have casual sex without major repercussions...
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/20 09:28 PM
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TRP doesn't hate women Debatable in many cases, but I said despise, not hate.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/20 04:19 PM
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I agree. I'm male and I've mostly dated in the queer/poly community in the last 8 years: By and large the absence of this bullshit has been very liberating.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/20 04:18 PM
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Those folks tend to confuse healthy relationships with Stockholm syndrome.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/20 11:08 PM
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and women always intentionally underreport these things You got any stats for that one too?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/20 10:53 PM
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By a whole 1%, no less! Burn these witches!
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/20 10:48 PM
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Probably because a lot of the people on here believe that life is essentially over after 30...
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/20 10:46 PM
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TRP and FDS are basically dating guides for straight people who despise the other sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/20 09:58 PM
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Well, that name checks out
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/20 03:55 AM
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I encouraged my wife to keep hers, and she did. I don't see what the big deal is.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/20 03:55 AM
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Not really, but it depends on what they judged me on and their general attitude towards me. The simple fact is that I was not an attractive person at my worst: I was very awkward, physically uninteresting, I had a lot of trouble interacting with people in general (let alone flirting), I was generally angry at everything, and I was frankly going nowhere fast. Any worth I did have was buried until so much dysfunction that I couldn't reasonable expect anyone to look for it, I wouldn't have wanted t…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/20 03:41 PM
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Who the hell are y'all sleeping with?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/20 04:18 AM
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Same goes for most men, honestly, except that nobody's going to pay to fuck'em
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/20 08:42 PM
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Consent, motherfucker
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/20 10:57 PM
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The Venn diagram of terpers who claim to "love women for who they are" and then go on to disparage all women as opportunistic harpies with no hobbies, interest, or brain activity beyond basic survival or manipulation is a fucking circle.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/20 03:30 PM
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Or person who doesn't see sex as requiring commitment in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/20 01:56 PM
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Meaning and commitment don't go hand in hand. It's possible to simply view sex as a fun and fulfilling activity, without tying it to long-term commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/20 01:50 PM
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So, both feelings are bullshit and based only in regressive societal norms that placed too much emphasis on something that's actually meaningless?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/20 11:31 AM
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Homophobia, for the most part. Most people still have a lot of mental baggage regarding men who have sex with men, and even folks who should know better still have years of internalized propaganda to get over.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/20 11:30 AM
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FIFY: Why would you chose a man that earn less than you and whom you're not attracted to?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/20 12:22 AM
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Depends on the person, why they're attracted to me now, and whether or not I'm attracted to them. Honestly I was an awkward, maladjusted fuck back then who wasn't going anywhere. I'd have suspected anyone who was attracted to me at the time to either be pulling my leg or having severe issues themselves. I know I'm much more attractive now, so in a way I would get some amount of validation from someone acknowledging that change and effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/20 05:46 PM
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I've been doing everything except for the carefully planned dates since I began dating, and it's worked out pretty well. General self improvement (working out, dressing stylishly and focusing on your career)... keeping yourself clean and hygienic I do all this for myself anyway, not to get dates. I'm not the most stylish or fashionable dresser but at least I know what simple outfits look good on me. I work out because I enjoy it, and focus on my career because I like what I do and because I need…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/20 05:58 PM
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And in the rare instance where a woman's action is unequivocally good and selfless? Virtue signaling.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/20 04:57 AM
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Good for you, online dating ain't for you then.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/20 02:57 AM
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So how do you think you'll stand out from the other 50 messages in her inbox? There's a gulf of difference betweem doing the absolute bare minimum ("hey" ain't it) and being a jester. Online interactions arwn't the same as in-person ones either. And even in person, how you come up to someone and say Hi matters as well. Do you think you'll get a good answer if you shuffle up sullenly and mumble?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/20 02:52 AM
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Considering Bumble literally came out with the intention of having the women message first, we've come to find out that women are no different in that regard? Don't know, I've never used Bumble. I have gotten messages first from some women on OkCupid though and they were usually more interesting than that. My wife has also gotten message from women, and I've looked at a couple lesbian friends' inboxes too. It's much less flooded and usually much more thoughtful. So why match with them in the fir…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/20 09:37 PM
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Anyone who thinks that dating apps are proof of the SMP imbalance hasn't looked at most women's inbox on these apps. It's gotten better since most of them started preventing you from messaging people you haven't matched with, but most women's inboxes are filled with "Hey" "Hey" "Hey" "Hello" "Dtf?" It's a case study in quantity versus quality, and unfortunately most men are their own worst enemies when it comes to dating online.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/20 06:25 PM
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Not more so than judging a woman by the size of her tits, but you do you.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/20 09:50 PM
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Because as far as most people on this sub are concerned, any criteria that a woman has are by definition predatory or shallow.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/20 09:44 PM
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Right, better pass up on good things and keep your expectations low. That's what we should all aspire to.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/20 03:51 AM
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So those men want to preemptively control all prospective partners' lives before ever meeting them in order to preserve their own feelings. Why are they worth marrying?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/20 01:52 PM
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The guys who say "women lied about experiencing physical attraction" seem to have gotten all of their info about women from media created by men to appeal to other men.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/20 11:22 PM
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That's because it is rife in r/MensRights and in some other circles.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/03/20 11:06 PM
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I think that assuming that all men or all women want to same thing is stupid to begin with. But even if they did: I'm not saying that it's a perfect mirror, but that both people involved need to provide the attention and support (whether that's emotional, sexual, financial, etc.) that the other one needs, and that the specifics are going to be left to those two people. I'm also saying that there are basic needs that almost everyone has regardless of gender or preferences, which include emotional…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/20 05:51 PM
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I'm not sure if anyone here claims that this applies to all men, but I'll take your word for it. In my case I know that I want both from a partner, and the combination is the difference between a friend, a hookup, and a long-term partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/20 04:50 PM
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Good for you, I guess? Most of us do need that support. I'm not saying it has to be the exact same type: Maybe you support your partner by listening to them and they support you by encouraging you to pursue your goal. Point is that both people involved (if you're monogamous) should figure out what the other needs and provide it for them if they want to (or leave if they don't).
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/20 04:42 PM
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It's meant to be reciprocal. Men should receive the same level of support and affection from their partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/20 04:27 PM
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I like that the best answer to this question is also the gender-neutral one. At the end of the day we're all human (I think) and most of us have the same needs and want. What you described is the baseline for any healthy relationship, and anything beyond that becomes a matter of compatibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/20 04:27 PM
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With the caveat being that "show you off" can mean different things to different people.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/20 04:26 PM
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Depends on what you mean by criminal, honestly. I know plenty of people who've dated someone who has a criminal record for minor crimes like shoplifting or just possessing pot. Can't live in Oakland without knowing someone like that, and I don't see any issue with the latter one. I do know a couple of people dating violent criminals, but these people have a whole host of other issues and self-destructive behaviors to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/20 04:20 PM
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The masculinity understander has logged on.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/20 08:44 PM
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It was a combination of them being attractive and me being in a very lonely and isolated place at the time. It's happened to me three times. Thinking back on it now, we were genuinely good friends and I did enjoy their company. I did eventually stay good friends with them for a few years too, once I'd gotten over my attraction to them. And no, I don't see why any future partner would be less valuable than them. A partner has the value that you assign to them for the time that you're with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/20 03:06 AM
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Because the disgust about hypergamy is mainly driven by men who are angry at women, and by women who are trying to appeal to these men...
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/20 03:56 PM
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Just meeting a complete stranger carries greater risks, whether she sleeps with them or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/20 10:55 PM
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Even if sex drive was equal between men and women, you'd still see less women pursuing new partners because the cost of findind one and having sex with them can be higher. If nothing else, women are more at risk of being assaulted by new partners than the other way around.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/20 10:38 PM
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I never said they would. Although I might be biased because I find buff women more attractive than the norm.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/20 04:17 PM
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I do. We have weight classes in my sports, and people in the lighter classes are incredibly strong pound for pound. That doesn't mean they're small though: I'm not saying that a good climber will get bodybuilder levels of hypertrophy, but they will still have a noticeable musculature in the areas that they use. The best rock climbers aren't huge but most of them look hard as, well, rocks. That includes the women: they don't look like Ronnie Coleman but they usually look much more buff than the a…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/20 03:31 PM
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I'm not dismissing footwork, I'm just saying that you still need to be able to do a dead hang if you need it. A good climber simply cannot have weak arms.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/20 11:16 PM
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Women don’t have an equivalent for this. They just don’t. The counterpart to that theme is that apparently the terpers on this sub consistently underestimate the sports that more women participate in like running or yoga. That shit will also shape your body in very noticeable ways, and which also conform to traditional feminine beauty standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/20 04:29 PM
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However, if you achieve you get big arms through rock climbing, I'm afraid to say it is just your genetics, you're a weight accumulating person. You do realize that a good rockclimber needs to be able to hold up their entire bodyweight from a tenuous grip, without leg support at times? Most powerlifters or bodybuilders can't do that as well. How do you think that someone can develop the kind of strength to do that without any associated hypertrophy in the limbs involved in that?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/20 04:27 PM
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Sounds like a pretty specific subset to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/20 10:16 PM
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Again, assuming that women don't go through the same mental gains when they work out, or that they just don't work out.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/20 10:12 PM
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Guys who have never been in the gym start a journey, develop work ethic / discipline, and overcome struggle on a daily basis to achieve goals You're assuming that non-RP either don't hit the gym or don't recognize those benefits in themselves. We do, and the mental benefits are great, but I don't think they're related or limited to RP.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/20 10:04 PM
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I don't know if the numbers back up your assertion or not, but if nothing else feminists tend to have a healthier or more open view of sexuality than non-feminists and therefore would be more likely to engage in whatever fantasies they do have, regardless of the dynamics involved.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/20 06:39 PM
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Because fantasies aren't necessarily about politics or socialization. It's very possible to have an egalitarian mindset but enjoy submissive or dominant fantasies: They're sexual fantasies, not daily life. I might enjoy being submissive or dominant in the bedroom but that doesn't mean that I want my coworkers to kiss my boots by the coffee machine or peg me over the printer. Furthermore, feminism is based on the idea of making your own choices when it comes to partners, careers, lifestyles, etc.…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/20 06:29 PM
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I think you missing the simpler explanation here: Bi and gay men aren't going to judge you for sleeping with women because heterosexuality is still mainly seen as the default, there's no major stigma against it, and a lot of bi and even gay men have slept with women as well. Whereas straight women might judge you for it specifically because a lot of people still see homosexuality as unnatural or dirty (and most of them don't even realize that bisexuality is a thing).
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/20 05:18 PM
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everybody who's single chooses furnishes their house with their personal pleasure being the primary consideration Depends on their wealth and living situation. More often than not you just make do with what you have if the place is small, cramped, shared with too many others, or you just don't think you'll be there for long. My first studio looked like a cell because I barely spent any time there other than to sleep, and it was in a shit building anyway because it was all I could afford.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/20 01:02 AM
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Unsafe sex without std precautions, cheating, or engaging in it as a coping or compulsive mechanism. Beyond that I don't really care who, how, or how many people you have sex with. Just don't spread diseases, don't force yourself, don't force others, and don't betray anyone's trust in you.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/20 04:44 AM
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You're doing it right here!
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/20 11:23 PM
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Girl takes it up in the butt from every other dude she meets in the club? EW. Except that it not limited to people who are dangerously or overly promiscuous (whatever that might mean). Women get slut shamed for having sex in general on the most arbitrary grounds.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/20 10:49 PM
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Worse: "Any woman who doesn't gamble with her life to please me is definitely going to log a false rape accusation against me."
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/20 07:56 PM
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That's what I mean too, I think that we just misunderstood each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/20 12:15 AM
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It depends, we are pretty much hardwired to respond more intensely to negative experiences than to get over them in time. And the issue is often not how long it's been since that awful experience happened, but the likelihood of it happening again at any point. It's a statistical fallacy to assume that you're safe from it if it hasn't happened in a while.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/20 11:44 PM
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Ladies and gentlemen, exhibit A
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/20 08:14 PM
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I think that a lot of guys misunderstand that, and then feel personally attacked when they realize that you're protecting yourself because the implication is that they're dangerous or harmful too.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/20 04:38 PM
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Guy here, but I've been in a couple of situations that apply: 1- I've had partners who had been in abusive relationships before or had been sexually assaulted. While it's not on me to "fix" them (whatever that means in this context), it is on me to support them and be respectful of what they've gone through if I want to actually have a relationship with them. I could always walk away, of course, or decide that I don't want to deal with the complications that come from it, but if I want to stay w…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/20 04:36 PM
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I understand, just adding my 2 cents to the topic. It might be highly correlated with income level anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/20 09:14 PM
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Not really surprised, there's a large overlap between the folks who want stay at home wives and those who deny that women face any sort of discrepancy in compensation.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/20 09:10 PM
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That's kinda debatable, simply because the stay at home spouse might lose a lot more income in the long run due to being out of the workforce for a few years. One person's salary going all to childcare in the short term can be worth it if it prevents their future income from dropping too far, especially given that there's a documented difference in future earnings between people who take a few years off and those who don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/20 08:55 PM
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Doesn't frugal just mean poor? Nah. It just means "doesn't spend much". A millionaire who lives like an upper-middle class person is frugal relative to their wealth, for example.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/20 10:44 PM
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For women if they make themselves attractive enough that can be the whole ballgame. That says more about men's preferences than anything else, honestly.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/20 12:29 AM
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Because TRP was never meant to be a morally or even internally consistent system.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/20 07:11 PM
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I wasn't with my first partner, but I was with later partners and I definitely am with my wife now. If anything she's the person I feel the safest expressing my feelings to, especially given that I was taught to repress them or deal with them in unhealthy ways growing up. I think it simply comes down to the people involved: Women aren't automatically kinder or more emotionally mature than men. Some will be accepting and supportive, while others will be judgmental or shaming. At the end of the da…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/20 11:47 PM
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You're reading way too much into this one, bud. It seems to me that OP made a much bigger deal of this than it should've been. He knows literally nothing about that woman other than a brief glance at her instagram, whereas his wife seems to know her quite well. Now it's perfectly valid to say "I don't think she's his type", but even by his own admission he didn't leave it at that. If nothing else, he could've just let his brother make his own choice on the matter if all it took was a look at her…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/20 06:05 PM
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It's relative to the same population. The average American man is close to 200.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/19 12:10 AM
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Here's a short list: https://ehp.niehs.nih.gov/doi/abs/10.1289/ehp.93101s2101 (free) https://journals.lww.com/jonmd/Abstract/2006/07000/Associations_Among_Everyday_Stress,_Critical_Life.5.aspx (paywalled) https://psycnet.apa.org/record/2010-11932-006 (paywalled, but the conclusion is in the abstract)
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/19 04:43 PM
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Stress has been shown in multiple studies to have a negative effect on libido in both men and women. It takes multiple forms too: In some cases it it inhibits genital arousal but doesn't affect psychological arousal (you want to have sex but don't get hard/wet) In others it decreases psychological arousal but doesn't affect genital arousal (You don't want to have sex, but you still get physically aroused by stimulation. That's why people are able to masturbate as a stress relief). It kills both.…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/19 04:29 PM
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I have no idea what you're talking about, or how it relates to my comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/19 08:58 PM
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Nah. Women don't act that way except in OP's strawman, and he's simply reducing men to the same imaginarily abysmal level while thinking that he's striving for equality.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/19 03:30 PM
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Today I learned that the only times where men listen to anyone else's problems or give them gifts are between fathers and their daughters.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/19 05:40 PM
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I didn't say it's literally the Red Pill nor that it's caused by the red pill. All I'm saying is that there are glaring parallels between them in the same way that there are parallels between Scientology and Jonestown. Just call it what it is, a greedy way to take advantage of the opposite sex. Cool, that's literally what I think of TRP as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/19 04:21 PM
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It's basically the female version of the red pill: There are some actually helpful bits, but the majority of it is toxic bullshit that relies on reinforcing harmful gender roles in order to take advantage of someone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/19 03:22 PM
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r/BadMensAnatomy
/r/MGTOW22/10/19 04:10 PM
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God save me from lolbertarians...
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/19 06:28 PM
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meta studies overwhelmingly indicate an unemployment effect A short-term one that normalizes after a little while, and which can be mitigated with a decent support system. you forgot the hand over fist unsustainable free shit, which is overwhelmingly front and center compared to literally everything you just listed The "free shit", as you call it, is what makes it possible for people to actually rise above minimum wage income: Secondary public education (or publicly funded trade school) is an ex…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/19 03:05 PM
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Nah. As far as I'm concerned they're absolutely right when it comes to economic policy: Minimum wage increases have been shown to have a good long-term effect in cities where they were implemented, and they're only one part of the platform that most of these folks advocate for. Many of the other initiatives they support like increasing union membership, collective bargaining, and stronger workplace protections would help everyone, including Methville OH. The reverse of that coin is that the peop…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/19 07:34 PM
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I think you kinda missed my point: If workers can't afford to protest, it becomes incumbent on everyone who has the ability to do so to do it on their behalf. That's the literal definition of being an ally. Saying that people with disposable income are hypocrites for fighting for workers' rights or a more fair system makes as much sense as saying that white abolitionists were hypocrites because they didn't experience slavery themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/19 03:35 PM
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and attending an event (while the working class are probably working) It's very possible that working class people want to join these protests but can't do so because they can't afford to miss a day's pay. It's a pretty effective way to keep workers subservient: Pay them just enough to keep them working, but so little that they don't have the time or energy to do anything else that might put pressure on you. As for working class folks who support a system that pays them so little that they're fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/19 03:30 PM
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And the women married to them aren't the ones saying what these characters are saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/19 02:38 AM
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If women were uniformly attracted to neo-nazis who make shitty life choices, there would be a lot less angry single men in the alt-right.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/19 10:39 PM
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Yes, whuch is why I think the red pill is bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/19 01:40 PM
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Maybe, but that's not the same as not being able to, or absolutely needing men to do it for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/19 08:00 PM
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Yes, and? None of that proves that women are innately incapable of learning how to fix cars. At best, it shows that most of them prefer not to because it's easier or safer to pay someone to do it, which isn't the same as being lazy (and that's literally all I'm saying: That these activities aren't proof that women are helpless without men, because they're just as capable of doing most of them as equally experienced men). I'm not arguing with you about cooking: I'm a self-taught cook as well. Bas…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/19 05:29 PM
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If you ask me to fix your car for you, I'm going to assume that you either don't know how, or that you do know, but you need extra help Yes, but neither of those is an indictment of me, my gender, or anyone else really. There is an infinite number of reasons why someone wouldn't know how to do something, and in this case we have a pretty good idea of why: Most women were simply never exposed to this knowledge before getting to the point where it's easier and often cheaper to just ask or pay some…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/19 04:44 PM
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You're missing the third option: Most women were also taught that they shouldn't be doing these things or had it handled for them by fathers, uncles, and brothers who never shared this knowledge with them, so that by the time where they need to do it for themselves it's simply become easier to pay a specialist for it than to take the time and effort to acquire the skill. If you've never fixed a car and you need it fixed by Monday, you're probably not going to learn how to fix most issues over th…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/19 04:35 PM
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You're looking at the conclusion or the consequences and mistaking them for the causes, I think. For centuries or even millennia, women were outright barred from participating in these fields, by force of law or custom. Ironically the division of labor is much more equal among subsistence-level societies because those societies need everyone to chip in with everything they can. More affluent ones, however, can afford to develop traditions and customs that would deprive them of the intellectual o…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/19 04:29 PM
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I mean, what makes you think that men are the only ones capable of "upholding law and order, or building and maintaining just about the entirety of society's infrastructure."?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/19 03:51 PM
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No, I just don't think that there's anything about fixing things or performing home repairs that is inherently more difficult for women, and mostly basing that on knowing a number of women who have done these repairs or work in the trades. The main difference I've seen comes from a lack of experience, not a lack of innate ability. I've had male friends and housemates who were completely clueless when it came to using tools or fixing machinery, because they'd never done it in their lives before. …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/19 03:46 PM
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There are far more women out there who can't (or won't) run a lawn mower than there are men who can't operate a washing machine, just as one example. I have bad news for you if you're starting a lawnmower with your dick, bro...
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/19 03:24 PM
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Superficial societal reasons like...upholding law and order, or building and maintaining just about the entirety of society's infrastructure. I wasn't aware that my testicles were keeping society together.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/19 03:23 PM
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Nah, I never said that. Women are just as likely to be manipulative as men, and vice versa. Rep pill men, however, are more likely to be manipulative than most men simply because the belief system they've bought it requires a certain degree of manipulation.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/19 12:07 AM
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Yeah, that's the marketing message for them. I'm just very skeptical of the results: Basically they're aimed at people who were struggling so much that almost anything would be an improvement (like a novice picking up weights for the first time), but the long-term goal isn't as good as what they could get through other means. Most of its appeal is that it works quickly, it's relatively easy, and it doesn't require a lot of uncomfortable introspection. Then again, maybe some men are perfectly hap…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/19 07:06 PM
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Good for you, but the problem remains that you were dating people you didn't want to, in a way that you didn't like. I had few dates that I didn't enjoy, and the transiently pleasant ones were as enjoyable as any other hobby or outing I've gone to. Improving yourself is all well and good (and I spend hours each week in the gym or on personal development) but not every activity had to lead to that, and a fun one-off date can be as valuable as time spent reading at home or playing board games with…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/19 06:57 PM
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As far as I can tell, MGTOW and TRP are mostly geared towards frustrated, unsuccessful men who need a bandaid to slap on their lives as opposed to actually improving them. TRP dating strategies as especially targeted towards the same women that TRP looks down upon the most, because they are the most vulnerable to manipulation. Someone who's happy or well-adjusted doesn't have much to gain from it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/19 02:45 PM
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Which men are dating women out of charity or altruism, then?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/19 02:31 PM
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I'm honestly not sure how true that is. I don't have the stats to back it up, but I haven't seen that kind of pressure on my male peer group. We're admittedly a small slice of the pie
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/19 03:24 PM
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It's not most men, it's that the men who do it, do it over and over again, so it affects most women Adding to that, it's that most women don't really have a way of knowing who has a history of doing that if they haven't met them before, so these men almost always have a fresh pool of targets to choose from if they live in a reasonably large locale.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/19 03:15 PM
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Because most of the people who do the shaming either aspire to be polygamists themselves and/or resent women for having better sex lives than themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/19 03:50 PM
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Men perform more labor, produce more romance, spend more money, and are more dependable, helpful, and in many ways, are more capable, than what most women are. Before anything else, what are you basing that assertion on?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/19 03:09 PM
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This culture didn't develop. Yes, there are examples of truly shitty women out there, because humans in general have the capacity to be absolutely horrible. That's not tied to genitalia or chromosomes, and shitty people have existed for as long as we have as a species. There was probably an absolute cunt of an Australopithecus roaming the savannah at some point, The main difference is that women in western country now have the tools to act on that shittiness, where previously they lacked the leg…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/19 01:10 AM
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I can't speak for your mindset, but a friend of mine recently said that they assume that sex with him is going to suck. Even men with a lot of sexual experience can be absolutely dismal in bed, like not knowing how to give oral or thinking that the be-all-end-all of sex is jackhammering away at her for a few minutes.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/19 12:43 AM
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You forgot one of the worst downsides of following the red pill as a woman: you could end up with a red-pilled man.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/19 10:37 PM
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News at 11: There are a lot of thirsty motherfuckers out there.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/19 02:05 AM
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OKC only recently introduced the matching requirement for messaging. 2 or 3 years ago you could message anyone even without matching with them. Apparently the matching before messaging requirement was introduced for two reasons: Reduce the amount of spam that women were getting Push more people towards buying a premium subscription so that they can see who swiped right on them.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/19 02:04 AM
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So... you're basing your conclusion on looking at a single factor that women happen to favor while excluding all factors that men might favor from your analysis? Height isn't necessarily an evolutionary signal for fitness. It's helpful in some areas, but detrimental in others. It's also much more closely related to environmental factors than genetics. And you could equally say that facial attractiveness or curviness are also signals for a good mate, and therefore men who favor them are also hype…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/19 02:02 AM
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While squatting 650 too
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/19 09:53 PM
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Slut shaming is literally non existent except as a jab women throw at each other for lolz If only that were the case. Half of this very sub wholeheartedly believes that women who had multiple partners are inherently broken or not fit for long-term partnership.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/19 04:39 PM
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Dude on the right would slay on Grindr though
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/19 04:12 AM
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Probably because feminism also benefits men, while the majority of the vocal MGTOW community is very much anti-women.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/19 05:11 PM
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As far as I can tell, the frequency doesn't matter to terpers : If you're convinced that women always settle for their long-term partners after 30, then no amount or quality of sex will convince you otherwise. You can always rationalize it as her doing her best to avoid losing her beta. At best, they'll admit that they don't actually care why they're getting laid, as long as they're getting laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/19 07:17 PM
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Most humans are also multidimensional, and bloops are the ones reminding you that looks are not the only factor involved.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/19 03:22 PM
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The best proof that you're sexually attracted to a guy is that you choose him when you're young and careless I disagree with that, because it assumes that tastes and preferences are immutable. I'm male, and I know that I'm not attracted today to the same kind of people that I was attracted to in my teens and early 20s.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/19 03:13 PM
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Yes and no. You should be able to be vulnerable in a relationship: You shouldn't be with someone unless you can trust them to be there when you need them. However, that doesn't mean that you should rely on them and only them for it. For starters, your partner might simply not know how to help you. Mental trauma is as complex as physical injuries or illnesses. You wouldn't expect your wife to treat a stab wound or perform brain surgery on you, regardless of how caring and supportive they are. The…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/19 03:03 PM
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Thank you. Comments like the one you replied to are a reminder that many men have genuinely never experienced the kind of physical threat than an unhinged partner can pose.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/19 04:37 PM
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Everyone has a sixth sense for red flags, not just women. The main difference between actual abusers and wannabe abusers like incels is that the latter usually aren't socially competent enough to mask those red flags. Choose who you associate with better Referring back to those red flags, abusers and fraudsters are usually pretty good at deceiving their targets before actually taking advantage of them. Of course the victim should've known better, but the deceiver is almost by definition better a…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/19 10:31 PM
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Be my guest. I'll I'm saying is that you're being way too flippant by dismissing the potential consequences of that confrontation. Especially considering that 93% of female murder victims were killed by someone they knew, and more often than not that someone was a present or past intimate partner: http://vpc.org/press/more-than-1800-women-murdered-by-men-in-one-year-new-study-finds/ ​ maybe you should choose who you associate with better? Are there any negative or dangerous situations that you c…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/19 09:45 PM
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I get that, and I agree with you in cases where women actually lead someone on. There are plenty of toxic, narcissistic, or abusive women out there. And I honestly respect guys who realize that they won't get what want from someone and choose to bow out rather than torture themselves or force their feelings on someone. I've done that myself a couple of times. However, there are also plenty of situation where it's just a misunderstanding or a miscommunication, where the guy hasn't made it entirel…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/19 09:25 PM
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I'm a guy, but I have female friends who went through that. One of them had that confrontation in her house, and the guy wouldn't leave for hours as he demanded an explanation. She ended up hiding in the bathroom and calling me and another friend for help. Another did it in public, and the guy made a huge scene until they were both kicked out. There are cases of women getting killed by unhinged and unwanted admirers like that. I'm just saying that this conversation can go south very quickly in m…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/19 09:19 PM
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And that's fine, as long as they handle their own feelings. Same goes for women, frankly. We all catch feelings sometimes, and there's nothing wrong with that. However, the other party isn't responsible for them, nor are they obligated to reciprocate them. They might, but if they don't then it's on you to handle that rejection maturely and decide whether your prior relationship is worth maintaining or if you'd rather protect yourself from the heartbreak. There is very little justification for ge…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/19 09:08 PM
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we will NEVER be in a relationship ever so dont even try we will literally only ever be friends Direct confrontation is hard for a lot of people. How many times have you outright told a coworker or an acquaintance what you really thought of them?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/19 09:05 PM
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Probably because they know that an outright no is going to result in an outburst of recrimination or shaming. Much easier to just ghost his whiny ass over time instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/19 09:02 PM
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There's nothing mystical about women's intuition. Everyone has instincts that try to warn them when a red flag pops up, whether it's a date's words or quick movement in your peripheral vision. Some people are just more aware of them or more used to listening to them. I suggest reading DeBecker's "The gift of fear". It's an excellent piece on this topic.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/19 05:46 PM
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Blue pillers often wonder why Red pillers cant be happy with one woman like your average man Is that a common BP position though? Most of the arguments I'm familiar with are more that the total or relative number of partners that any person has shouldn't matter, as long as both they and their partners are happy with the partnership.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/19 08:00 PM
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There are a ton of Marxist and Socialist theories, for instance, about unpaid labor and the exploitation of women as baby-machines, but are there virtually no theories about the criticizing use of men as workhorses, disposable producers, and beasts of burden You're joking, right? The whole point of socialism or communism, long before it was applied to gender issues, was to ensure that workers get the full benefit of their freely given labor as opposed to being exploited by a system that treats t…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/19 06:35 PM
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I agree with you on that point, honestly. These payments should be based on tax returns rather than inputed income. The flipside, of course, would be that alimony evasion would have to be synonymous with tax evasion.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/19 10:09 PM
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Reread my post, bud: I think that jailing someone who is too poor to pay child support is fucking stupid and counterproductive Alimony or child support should be keyed to income on a progressive scale, similarly to taxes: if your income is low enough, you just don't owe any. I don't think that alimony or child support would be necessary nor even useful in a society with a robust social safety net, but they're necessary as long as the US chooses to remain a capitalist hellscape.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/19 09:26 PM
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Yeah, no. Not really. Men who default on alimony or child support payment are fined or jailed because they don't live up to a legal, contractual obligation. While I think that jailing someone who is too poor to pay child support is fucking stupid and counterproductive, the situation is still no different from having to pay taxes or legal fees for your business.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/19 04:56 AM
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I'm willing to bet that the men who say that have never pleasured a partner in their life.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/19 02:45 AM
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I'd probably continue dating her: If I'm not looking for a monogamous relationship, then I don't care whether or not she's dating others (as long as she's being safe). Even if I were looking for a committed, monogamous relationship, I don't see other guys as competition: I don't need to do a special mating dance to woo her away from anyone. If she prefers me, as I am, she'll commit to me. If she doesn't, then I've lost nothing but time.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/19 07:02 PM
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Fair enough. I might be overestimating the prevalence of that type of behavior, based on my own experience and that of my peers.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/19 06:54 PM
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Many forms of sexual harassment were considered normal though, or at least not worth complaining about. This very sub had threads deriding people who complained about catcalling or suggestive remarks.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/19 04:02 PM
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Re-read my post: I didn't say that we accepted rape as normal. I said that we accepted a lot of behaviors that fall short of violent rape as normal or as minor inconveniences, rather than the gross violations of privacy that they often are.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/19 01:43 PM
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Sure, Jan. I'll take your word for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/19 07:48 AM
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Do you mean accidental groping vs opportunistic groping?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/19 07:39 AM
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Again, no. Assault, manslaughter, and homicide are all unacceptable, yet we can still differentiate them.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/19 05:23 AM
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No. What we're saying is that unwanted sexual touching is pretty fucking bad whenever someone does it. There are degrees to it, but there is never a benign or acceptable form of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/19 04:11 AM
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Counterpoint: The idea is to show the prevalence of normalized sexually coercive behavior. Getting groped on the bus might not be as bad as getting raped at gunpoint and left for dead in a ditch, but it's still unacceptable from the victim's perspective. Similarly, getting a passing lewd comment isn't as bad as being held hostage while a psycho details his every fantasy to you in lurid detail, but it's just as unwanted from the receiver's perspective. We accept a lot of behavior as normal, when …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/19 02:27 AM
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Again, how many middle aged men are attractive to younger attractive women? Because you're making it sound like men who get older are inherently better and more attractive than women of the same age.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/19 08:05 PM
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How many middle aged men do you know who can reliably attract young models?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/19 08:03 PM
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Nice oversimplification there, bud. The idea isn't that women don't want to provide any comfort or do any domestic chores. It's that they don't want it to be one-sided, or their exclusive responsibility, especially if it's something they can't handle.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/19 07:53 PM
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Men are perfectly capable of being stay-at-home spouses if they find a partner who is willing to support them, or sugar mamas in general, least of all feminists. If anything, they're shamed for making that choice by more traditional or patriarchal groups, not by progressive groups.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/19 06:06 PM
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Yeah, and some women choose to be submissive partners in a single-income household. It's their choice to make, but we shouldn't assume that everyone wants to make that choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/19 03:15 PM
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Because it comes with a loss of agency. Prisoners and caged birds are also taken care of and provided for, in a way.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/19 04:08 PM
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If anyone tells you that "sex would ruin the friendship", it means one of two things: You two are actually good friends but they aren't attracted to you physically, and they don't want one-sided attraction and the resentment it might generate to ruin what you do have once they reject you You two aren't even good friends, but they're trying to reject you politely. That's about it. I don't think there's any ulterior or sinister motive in it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/19 03:15 PM
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More like you need an opportunity and the privacy to follow up on it. I've rarely paid more than half the bill on a date, but even that half was often too expensive for me when I was just out of grad school or in-between jobs, and sharing a living room in a house definitely didn't help.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/19 02:53 PM
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As far as I can tell, lefties have zoomed in on the socio-economic reasons of why younger Americans aren't having sex: A much greater proportion of young Americans (especially men) are living with their parents or with multiple roommates, which makes sex and romance much more complicated since privacy becomes a rare commodity. Similarly, dating's gotten hella expensive for everyone because eating out, drinking, or going to clubs is more expensive than it was 10 or 20 years ago, and those are con…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/19 12:28 AM
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If anything, feminism gives SAHMs their dignity back because now they can choose to take up that role, rather than being forced into it regardless of their wishes and placed at the mercy of the "breadwinner".
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/19 03:54 PM
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Childcare is employable If she had any cooking skills at all, she is in demand in the food industry She shoiuld probably know how to do dishes if she was a SAHM, so there is another employable skill. Not really. You're talking about minimum or less than minimum wage jobs, at best. Maybe some women can make it as better-paid nannies rather than basic babysitters, but it's pretty rare and the people who can pay nannies tend to prefer women with legit experience beyond raising their own kids. And t…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/19 10:48 PM
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I met my now-wife online about 4 years ago. Before her I'd dated a good number of women whom I'd met online as well (although I did meet others through friends or in person), so I have a few thoughts on the matter: How we met doesn't matter. I met great people in person, and I met her and other amazing women online as well. If anything, online dating gave me a better idea of the person I was meeting prior to meeting them. I might be biased by the fact that I dated mostly on OkCupid where people …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/19 05:44 PM
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Nope, it's pretty much made for them: TRP makes sense if you've encountered the absolute worst women around, and assume that they're the norm. In some ways it's like a cult that preys upon people at their most vulnerable.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/19 04:28 PM
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True, although I think it's treated more as a hygiene factor rather than a primary motivator. Gold diggers certainly exist, but I think it's more about most people wanting to avoid a financially irresponsible or incompetent partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/19 07:11 PM
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Because people dont want to believe you will just drop them if they lost their job or suddenly got overwhelmed by stress and needed a step down for a bit or finally had a chance to pursue their dream job even if there was a bit of an economic hit. That's not what "I want a partner with income" means though. Shit happens or sometimes you need a break for your own good, and a decent partner wouldn't leave you for that. As far as I know, it's used to say "I don't want someone who is incapable or un…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/19 06:53 PM
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That applies to all women people. "Love" is not for love's sake. You have to have something to offer someone in order for them to be interested in you, at least initially. Exactly what that is will vary heavily from person to person, although there are some general trends (like it's almost always better to be wealthy and good looking than otherwise, for example). The answer, as far as I've found, is to look for people who appreciate what I have to offer in particular, whether I'm looking for fri…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/19 06:05 PM
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TRP has two major components: One is the self-improvement part that focuses on getting in shape, focusing on your own goals first, and basically building yourself up. It's very similar to most self-help methods out there and it works pretty well because you basically become a happier or more "effective" person through it. That's the part that helps you get dates. The second component is a load of bullshit about how all women are cold heartless bitches who will dump you the second that a "better"…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/19 05:47 PM
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Congratulations, you've reached the natural and logical conclusion of redpill beliefs. You may now proceed directly to MGTOW, or realize that you've been fed a crock of bullshit and deprogram yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/19 05:25 PM
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For that to work, you'd have to assume that the men who believe that theory give two shits about the wellbeing of women...
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/19 04:21 PM
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Amen
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/19 01:01 AM
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The redpill and blackpill are basically overreactions to the realization that women are just people, and that some of them are as rotten as any man you'll ever meet.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/19 09:05 PM
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Long distance relationships. Not because I love my wife less than past partners, but because I don't want to make that life choice again.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/19 05:37 PM
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I'm going to guess that those are a vanishing breed as it is
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/19 10:18 PM
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Whenever I see that assumption, I wonder how many of these guys are the sole income earner for their marriage. My wife and I bought our first house last year: We split the downpayment and mortgage roughly 55/45. Neither of us would've been able to afford the house on our individual incomes, and she handles much more of the paperwork and legwork for its purchase and maintenance than I do.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/19 08:57 PM
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It's not a gendered difference. If anything, it might be down to the fact that more women are taught how to cook while young, and thus more of them come to enjoy it. I'm male and I didn't learn how to cook until I moved away from home: I started cooking because I couldn't afford to eat out and had to control my weight for tournaments. The first few weeks were miserable, but I eventually got good at it and realized that I really enjoy it. I enjoy it as much as I enjoyed working my hands or doing …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/19 03:16 PM
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So 'men aren't interested in your knowledge and intelligence'.... sorry, but years of experience tell me that is bullshit. There's definitely a class of men who is disinterested or even turned off by knowledge or intelligence, but then again they aren't the men that you want to date if you value your own intelligence. And I'm coming to suspect that this group is the most fertile grounds for TRP ​
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/19 09:08 PM
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most women people consider sexual attractiveness one of many factors in a relationship prospect Everyone considers sexual attractiveness a factor in relationships these days, and that's fine. Individuals or even groups place more or less importance on it than others, but anyone who doesn't consider it at all is either asexual or has completely given up on the idea of sex. ​
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/19 09:06 PM
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I agree, I'd much prefer it if we had a robust national support system to help people like that. It would remove the need for alimony or child support entirely without treating poor people by arbitrary divisions.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/19 08:16 PM
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SAHM don't qualify for unemployment in many places because they weren't technically part of the labor pool first, so alimony is intended to support them until they can find employment or some other means of support instead. In some cases they simply don't have employable skills, or at least their skills don't measure up with the lifestyle that they had before. A drop in lifestyle is fine and expected, but I don't see the point of throwing someone into poverty because of relationship problems, es…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/19 06:46 PM
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It's better than being homeless and starving, and it's a good safety net to allow you to gain greater autonomy later on.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/19 06:14 PM
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Going to go out on a limb and say that they reconcile those views by believing that women shouldn't have any kind of autonomy.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/19 05:55 PM
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So how do you feel about career women?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/19 05:54 PM
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The Stockholm Syndrome is strong with this one.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/19 07:33 PM
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You really think that women didn't know about attractive men back then?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/19 02:04 PM
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Replace the term "duty" with "love" and you have sex with the intent of bonding and strengthening the relationship or marriage. So basically you're still having sex out of a sense of duty, but you're simply renaming that duty to "I want to strengthen my marriage". Mental reframing is certainly a powerful tool, but it's not infallible and I'm not sure it even works on something as deep-seated as sexual desire.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/19 07:23 PM
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Yep. If my partner isn't equally engaged in having sex, then I'm better off just jacking off.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/19 07:21 PM
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Because we know that these RP tenets are a complete crock of shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/19 02:59 AM
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We'll just indoctrinate yours instead. Best way to deal with terpers and conservatives is to turn their kids into queer feminist communists. We're doing it right now through hormones in the water
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/19 02:38 AM
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Depends on what you mean. My wife is bipolar: She told me that when we first started dating, and I took a while to research the disorder, how it affects people, how to deal with it, etc. I decided that it was something I was willing to risk, and we've navigated several episodes together. It's always an additional challenge when you or your partner aren't neurotypical: It's a personal decision, but not one that you should make lightly. It also depends on the degrees: Moderate and occasional depre…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/18 05:34 PM
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No, you're not. I'll be the first to admit that unrequited attraction sucks, and that there's nothing wrong with just wanting sex from someone. You become a shitty person, however, if you think that you're owed sex for basic niceness, if you get hostile and toxic when people turn you down gently, and if you decide to ignore their NO and pretend that you're longer thirsting after them when in truth you're just hiding your intentions until they give in.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/18 10:37 PM
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That's pretty much the point: That the so-called Nice Guys who originally complained about being rejected more often than not turned out to be shitty people.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/18 08:14 PM
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Bystander disruption is often more effective than directly fighting someone off: Creepers, abusers, and attackers usually need their victim to feel isolated before they can get their rocks off in order to guarantee their own safety. If the group around them makes it clear that we're on to their behavior, they're much less likely to continue it in that setting because they know they can't get away with it anymore
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/18 09:28 PM
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Our current system keeps women alive and not breeding, which means that the current system must change dramatically or disappear. Not necessarily, no. We aren't in danger of depopulation anytime soon, and birth rates always tend to fluctuate depending on prosperity and population density. The human population can easily take a generation or two of reduced birth rates, and we might well achieve an equilibrium that is lower than the current population. That's not necessarily a bad thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/18 10:07 PM
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That's the point though: The societies that had to face the most danger and scarcity weren't patriarchal. It's almost as if patriarchy came out of relative luxury as opposed to necessity. Without patriarchy, a farming culture cannot be coherent. Why not?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/18 10:04 PM
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A few reasons from me and my friends group: Kids are expensive and we can't afford them anytime soon We don't want to bring kids into a fucked up world I don't trust my ability to take good care of another human being for 18 years at least I've spend most of my adult life dealing with crushing college debt and shitty jobs, so I don't want to take on any more responsibility. By the time I have enough disposable income that I could afford kids, I'd rather live for myself for a few years first and …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/18 05:01 PM
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Example, please?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/18 12:47 AM
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Red pillers have a vested interest in telling you that feminists believe that. As for the latter, Ixve only heard it from radfems who are basically feminism's version of the WBC
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/18 12:30 AM
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Masculinity isn't toxic: most feminists will tell you that only certain parts of it are toxic when taken to an unhealthy extreme. The problem is that we've normalized those extremes.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/18 12:06 AM
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We're circling again: I'm not saying that their systems didn't work. I'm saying that they took something that worked well enough and called it a day, or exacerbated some of its worst elements because they didn't know any better. I don't think that they're idiots because of that, any more than I fault them for not knowing about germ theory. As far as most of them were concerned, this worked well enough so why bother changing it? My problem isn't with the claim that patriarchal systems existed for…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/18 05:54 PM
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You keep making the same unfounded assumption: Just because something was widespread or pseudo-universal, it doesn't mean that it was necessary, let alone the most efficient way of doing things. By that standard, undemocratic forms of government are necessary because they were a hell of a lot more common than direct representation for the majority of our history.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/18 05:50 PM
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Patriarchy as it existed in history represented the most efficient use of resources possible at the time That's a flawed way of looking at politics or sociology. By that logic, slavery and tyranny were inherently good simply because they existed for a long time. I also gave you a bunch of articles showing that patriarchy didn't begin until societies were past the hunter-gatherer stage and started gathering surpluses through agriculture.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/18 05:35 PM
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Apprenticeship, same as everyone else who went into that profession. "Female artisan" means someone took the time and expense to train a woman, despite the fact that there is an excellent chance she'll be dead of childbirth by age 35. That's not quite right: Men also had a mean life expectancy in the 30s to 40s, and you're not counting them off as dying too early to be worth training. Again, I agree with you that women had to be protected in certain circumstances so that they could give birth. H…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/18 03:34 PM
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I used artists as an example, but maybe artisan would've been a better word. you have to give her an armed guard while she's working for you. You honestly think that all women had to be physically guarded at all times before the 1900s? Thirdly, there's far more starving, non-aristocratic male artists with wives and daughters to feed. Nonsense. Patrons didn't hire artists out of charity, but because they wanted their work. You could also just as easily say that female artists had a starving husba…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/18 02:59 PM
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It's "by-product", btw. "By" indicates "secondary"' Thanks for the correction. English isn't my first language, so I get mixed up over the simplest things sometimes. Well, let's put it this way: There's good evidence to suggest that primitive societies were actually surprisingly egalitarian because each member's contribution was sorely needed. There was a division of labor for sure, with men hunting and women gathering (to oversimplify it), but by and large it seems like hunter-gatherer societie…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/18 05:30 AM
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The patriarchal society is nearly flawlessly optimized for pre-scientific life. Why? What is it about a patriarchal system that means that it is the only way to effectively keep women alive and breeding pre-industrialization?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/18 12:20 AM
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I don't disagree with the premise when it comes to prehistoric times, I'm just saying that these restrictions eventually outlived their usefulness much faster than OP assumes they did. The existence of these cultures does more to support my point than OP's though: Clearly some of these cultures prospered and flourished even though they did not do their utmost to keep their women sheltered and isolated, meaning that this supposedly gynocentric system wasn't necessary. Most societies around the Me…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/18 12:15 AM
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That would have meant nuns, for the first several centuries of science, it was only religious and a handful of aristocrats who could do science. Not necessarily, no. A lot of improvements didn't come from full-time researchers or polymaths, but from tradesmen who made continuous marginal improvements to their trades. Glassworking, for example, improved slowly over centuries before it reached the point where useful optical devices could be used for research. A larger pool of professionals in that…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/18 11:45 PM
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Maybe it wasn't necessary, but it certainly could have been a bi-product of it. I wouldn't have disagreed with OP if they'd stuck to claiming it as a bi-product: Most social conventions or systems have unintended side effects. My problem here is that they're claiming that these restrictions were a necessary and possible even beneficial part of the protection.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/18 08:47 PM
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Only science was able to pull us out of that situation. Yeah, and we probably would've reached that point much earlier had we not shut 50% of our population out of that scientific research. Subsistence-level societies do need to protect what few women they have, since they're reproductive bottlenecks. However there's no reason to continue that practice in a society with a lower rate of violent deaths, and especially not to shut a significant part of your population from some of its most useful t…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/18 08:10 PM
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Evolution by natural selection is a biological phenomenon. Applying it verbatim to sociological or cultural practices is inaccurate, at best. I don't disagree that it makes sense for a vulnerable society to physically protect its women, since they're the reproductive bottleneck. However, OP's assertion that all of the other restrictions imposed on women were necessary parts of that protection is baseless speculation. There's a big difference between "Keep the sabretooths away from the women" and…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/18 08:07 PM
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You haven't even answered my two main points: Women's access to education, arts, and trades was heavily restricted even though they wouldn't have been in physical danger if they were to practice them, so those restrictions can't have been for their own good. The so-called protections had to be enforced with harsh punishment for breaking the rules, which runs counter to the idea that women were to be protected.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/18 08:04 PM
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Possible, although those would've had to predate laws that restricted its use for men. The British naval code, for example, restricted the use of flogging (especially to that extent) in order to prevent killing its sailors. Anyone will survive 5 lashes, but even this safe number of lashes was totally banned for women, even though her life was in no danger, because women are universally recognized as more precious than men and all societies which desire survival accept that. That doesn't make sen…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/18 08:01 PM
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Yeah, there probably was a great deal of variation, but you're making a huge leap by assuming that such cities might've been wiped out specifically as a result of feminism or more equal rights. All I'm saying is that your assumption is just that: A personal assumption that isn't backed up by archeological or sociological evidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/18 07:57 PM
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Judging by the answers I've already gotten from OP, that's a safe bet.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/18 07:11 PM
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This fact alone is proof enough of gynocentrism. No? It stemmed directly from the idea that women were too physically weak to survive a flogging, which wasn't supposed to be a form of execution.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/18 07:08 PM
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but the idea that cultures who practiced it survived and cultures who didn't died out, makes a lot of sense. Only if it actually happened though. Do we have evidence of cultures that didn't practice this and vanished as a result? If not, then you simply don't have a control group to verify that assertion.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/18 07:07 PM
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Internalized social pressure is one hell of a drug.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/18 06:57 PM
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the Victorian era was bursting with female poets, painters, authors, doing what they do usually for the pleasure of doing it, not for money Cherry picking: That's one of the rare eras that supported that before the modern age, and even then it was restricted to the upper class (as you mentioned) who were always able to skate the rules more easily by virtue of their power and wealth.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/18 06:48 PM
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Nice way to dodge the entire argument... Like I said: Those conventions had very harsh enforcement mechanisms that aren't necessary when people buy into a system. Therefore women hadn't bought into the necessity of those restrictions. Ergo those restrictions were either unnecessary, or women were too dumb to realize that they were necessary. Which was it, in your opinion?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/18 06:35 PM
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That only makes sense if you assume that women were too stupid or inept to realize the risks that they would've exposed themselves to, and therefore had to be coerced into their roles for their own safety. You're saying that patriarchal systems were necessary to keep women safe from danger, and that the restrictions thus imposed on women's access to careers, education, travel, or even the arts were simply side effects of that protection. There are a few major problems with that: Many of these re…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/18 06:15 PM
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Or that they got the right person in the first place: If the victim didn't know her attacker well enough to identify them, or was too intoxicated or distressed to do it correctly, then it's possible that the initial accusation targeted the wrong person simply because the victim couldn't be more precise. That doesn't mean that the rape didn't happen or that the victim is lying, but only that the investigation didn't have enough information to catch the right person.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/18 12:04 AM
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It really depends on how he approached the situation overall. Keeping a journal or a log of incidents is pretty standard practice for therapy, especially couples therapy. It's commonly used to help patients identify patterns or recurring problems, which they would otherwise dismiss as individual problems or deny outright. However, that doesn't mean that it's always good: There's always the danger that some people will use them as a grievance hit list and throw each incident in their partner's fa…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/18 05:29 PM
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There's a big difference between treating someone as a consumer, and as an object of worship...
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/18 07:12 PM
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The guy looks at a building designed to extract as much money as possible from its target audience, and then concludes that this means that society glorifies women? Malls are places of business: Their entire reason for existence is to take as much of your money as possible, and one way of doing that is by making it convenient or pleasing for you to be there so that you'll shop more. They often focus more on catering to women, but there are many more plausible reasons for that than "worshipping w…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/18 07:00 PM
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Honestly the fact that they think that all men would fuck a lubricated woodchipper if they don't find anything better tells me more about terpers than it does about men in general. Almost all of the men I know, myself included, have standards and preferences. Some have lower standards than others, and thirsty horndogs definitely exist, but by and large we all want someone that we're attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/18 05:15 PM
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Growing up in a conservative society, I never heard it said in such explicit terms simply because it was always implicitly reinforced. You don't need to throw more water on yourself when you're already in the middle of the ocean.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/18 05:20 PM
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I've fantasized about very few of my female friends, and most of the ones I did fantasize about weren't purely platonic friends either. Some started out as casual partners and evolved into friends later on, while others were already friends of mine before we hooked up. I've slept with most of the ones that I'm interested in, but in most cases neither of us was interested in an LTR because of different long-term priorities. I have no idea how much the average person does this, especially consider…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/18 06:39 PM
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Pretty sure I saw this guy in a Baki the Grappler arc
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/18 04:07 AM
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Yeah, I think so. People change over time, and if that change takes you in a direction that is too different than your partner's then you might be better off separating. I'm not saying that you should walk away at the first disagreement, but eventually you might both be better off separating than trying to contort yourself into a lifestyle that you aren't happy with. It doesn't invalidate or lessen the time that you shared together, any more than an Olympic medalist's retirement lessens the meda…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/18 03:27 PM
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Someone's read the Dresden files
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 02:22 PM
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These guys are often viewed with derision by the wider feminist community, since their beliefs are usually only skin-deep.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/18 04:08 PM
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I honestly can't tell the difference between Purge shitposting and OP's usual Braincels content...
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/18 03:04 PM
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By that logic, men are also responsible for the majority of non-natural deaths since the dawn of history...
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/18 02:34 PM
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It is, however, much more conducive to long term relationships. It also isn't mutually exclusive with passion
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/18 02:02 PM
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You do know that transmen exist, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/18 06:30 AM
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Physical fitness and social proficiency are not exclusive to the red pill...
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 01:27 PM
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Doesn't matter if he wants sex or a relationship: if the feeling isn't mutual and he turns obsessive or hurtful, he's the dreaded NiceGuy
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 05:41 AM
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Doesn't matter if he wants sex or a relationship: if the feeling isn't mutual and he turns obsessive or hurtful, he's the dreaded NiceGuy
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 05:41 AM
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Nope, both of them were getting flak from the fans because of it: Silva because there was a perception that he was taking easy matches, and GSP because he laid and prayed for points instead of actually fighting. I'll dig up the numbers later, but PPVs headlined by Rousey at the time brought in more revenues than theirs did, at least until she got cleaned by Holly Holmes
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/18 08:36 PM
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Silva was dropping people without even trying in most of his matches, and GSP was notoriously boring in the latter half of his career because of his methodical pressure game.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/18 08:11 PM
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The black community in the US is surprisingly religiously conservative, fyi. It just happens to be more sane than white evangelicals on most other topics, but it is notoriously hostile to LGBT issues. Most black communities in the US also tend to have pretty poor public schooling, which is often the main source of sex ed. Human behavior is that people have random sex, regardless of which rules you try to impose on them. Conservative societies don't necessarily have much less sex than others (unl…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/18 08:10 PM
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Same here. 7 years of BJJ, nigh on 20 years of camping and hiking regularly, and I've taught self-defense seminars for a while. It's always funny to be called a soyboy beta cuck by people who have never done a pushup...
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/18 06:49 PM
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> due to the fact that they are so utterly boring to watch Never got that argument though. Admittedly I don't watch sports regularly, but women's soccer or tennis matches often looked as technical and closely fought as men's matches to me. Back when I watched the UFC, kickboxing, and boxing more regularly many of the female fighters had very exciting matches as well. You can't tell me that Rousey, Namanujas, or Abreu weren't as exciting as many of the male headliners like Silva or GSP. If anythi…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/18 06:46 PM
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I'd argue that religiously polygamous and strictly hierarchical societies in the US like the FLDS are as close to a shithole as you'll get in most western countries. You don't find the same problems in liberal poly communities: San Francisco and Berkeley for example have a strong non-monogamous population, but that hasn't reduced anyone's prospects here. If anything, we've seen an increase in communal child rearing where relationships involving multiple pairings or triads end up raising their ki…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/18 06:36 PM
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> One where free love and sex is accepted or one where people generally try to stay chaste? In the US at least, STD rates and unwanted pregnancies are higher in conservative areas that lack proper sex education when compared to more liberal areas or to populations who got solid sex ed. The gay male community tends to increase the latter's average, but it's actually a pretty small percentage of the overall population and the prevalence of STDs there has much more to do with how promiscuous gay me…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/18 06:32 PM
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Someone's been watching too much Black Pigeon Speaks...
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/18 06:29 PM
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You sound like the type of guy who would cheer on conservative parents throwing gay kids out on the street
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/18 11:44 PM
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You can just have a ceremony to show to your friends and family that you're committed to each other. You don't need a government contract to do that. Didn't say we did, but it's one of the reasons why people get married. And the person who invariably and majorly benefits from these are the women... Do tell, how are women the ones who benefit the most from being able to claim tax breaks for dependents or from adoption?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/18 10:57 PM
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True, it was just one of the examples that are included in most marriage laws.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/18 05:56 AM
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For the same reason that LGBT people wanted the right to marry: It's a socially recognized sign of importance for your relationship, and in many cases it comes with a lot of legal and financial benefits likes power of attorney, joint tax filing, adoption, and the ability to claim a spouse as a dependent on your insurance plan. Many countries don't place domestic partnerships on equal footing with marriage, and some don't even recognize any relationship other than marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/18 04:50 AM
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On one side the left is no longer pretending to be supportive of the working class Excuse you? https://www.justicedemocrats.com/platform
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/18 04:45 AM
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Men should get respect for other men too. It's basic human decency to give everyone a modicum of respect, at least until they lose it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/18 09:17 PM
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Yeah, which basically means that good looks let you get away with a certain amount of shitty behavior, as opposed to women being attracted to the bad behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/18 05:56 PM
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I think it's more likely the other way around: Some of the biggest assholes you'll meet are massively confident, and people with an outsized sense of confidence will probably be assholes, but confidence isn't necessarily a cause for douchebaggery
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/18 05:55 PM
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I understand, my man. I get where you're coming from. All I'm saying is that you shouldn't assume that this is the universal situation. You got dealt a bad hand, whether because of the specific court you ended up in or some other factors. That doesn't mean that the entire system is wrong. There are definitely situations where we need to rebuild an entire institution from the ground up, but what I'm trying to say here is that the problems that you faced aren't so much caused by the laws themselve…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/18 07:49 PM
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Thanks. My fiancee and I are getting married soon, so we did some research on the subject.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/18 04:46 PM
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Thus the laws are unfair, because unfair acts have been perpetrated under the laws. That's a really bad legal doctrine, bud. I'm not a lawyer but I did discuss that point a little while back with a friend who is, so I'm writing this as best as I can remember it. There is a major difference between laws that are explicitly unfair, laws that are superficially fair but whose application is inherently unfair, and laws that are fair but under which certain unfair acts can or have been committed. It's…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/18 02:48 PM
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Oh, you mean the one where the ex is expected to maintain the same standard of living post-divorce that their higher earning spouse was providing previously? Yeah I'm not sold on that one at all. In many cases it strikes me as nothing more but people trying to remain in luxury.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/18 01:52 AM
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That describes the reasons why the majority of women marry as well though.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/18 09:10 PM
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Standard of living alimony simply means that the alimony has to respect a minimum value that covers the basic cost of living in that state, because anything less than that wouldn't be useful.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/18 09:10 PM
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Let me get this straight: The current laws are gender neutral, but you want to replace them with other gender neutral laws that would essentially do the same thing that the current laws are supposed to do?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/18 09:08 PM
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I can see how your personal experience has led to a clouded generalization about men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/18 07:46 PM
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Think of it this way: the husband was able to work full time and advance his career because his wife took care of the household. Her work at home allowed him to invest in his career, but prevented her from doing the same for herself. In that case, she sacrificed potential future earnings to care for the kids. And the husband might still benefit: in many cases fathers don't want primary custody, and thus they're essentially paying their exes to still care for the kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/18 07:45 PM
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The problem isn't the laws: By themselves, they're gender-neutral. The text can applies to either spouse. The problem is that a lot of people think that men are always the main breadwinner of the household, and that this assumption is often true because women really do, on average, earn less and do more work at home. You want to change that situation? Congratulations, you are now a feminist.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/18 07:23 PM
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I don't think that we're supposed to be monogamous, but that's more down to personal inclination than any larger zoological trend. Some people are perfectly happy in monogamous relationships, or unable to be happy in poly relationships. Others are the opposite, and most of us fall somewhere down the middle. As far as I'm concerned we should stop fetishizing monogamy as the only valid form of relationships, especially when tied to legal and financial benefits like tax breaks or visitation rights,…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/18 06:08 PM
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Most divorce laws simply state that the spouse with the larger income is supposed to provide support for the one with the lower income, especially if the latter was responsible for the majority of domestic duties like taking care of children or keeping the house in order. They're supposed to be a compensation for giving up your career and allowing your partner to focus on theirs by taking care of their share of their household tasks. You can't claim that these laws are sexist without admitting t…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/18 06:04 PM
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Women marry for all sorts of reasons - not all of them morally or ethically solid That can easily apply to men, as well. We really aren't the pure, loving defenders you paint us as.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/18 06:01 PM
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Not really. Most of the laws and prenups, in and of themselves, are gender neutral. Many of them make a distinction between the primary caretaker (i.e. the "house spouse") and the primary breadwinner (usually the person with the largest income or liquid assets, regardless of their source), but these terms can apply to either spouse regardless of their genders. You could even apply most prenups to homosexual couples without changing anything beyond the names of the people involved and the specifi…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/18 05:59 PM
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You mean Medicare? That one also has a lot of work requirements, and is sometimes inferior to employer healthcare depending on your state. Poor single moms get fired all the time, especially when they need to take time off to take care of a child, and in "right to work" states.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/18 03:09 PM
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A baby means WIC and TANF money, a state medical card, section 8 housing, and a government income stream None of which is any better, financially speaking, than being a working and childless adult, especially in states where you are required to work to qualify for those benefits anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/18 05:37 PM
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It's not impenetrable, but most people have a healthy dose of separation between the two. Your example is kind of a false equivalence because some paraphilia are regarded as much more harmful than others, especially when they involve non-consent or minors, and in some cases you're much better safe than sorry. You're also mixing two completely different contexts: For example, I've been doing combat sports for the last decade or so, and I really enjoy it. However, that doesn't mean that I secretly…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/18 09:33 PM
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Isn't it also interesting how young liberal feminist women are ways harping about the patriarchy, rape culture, toxic masculinity and metoo are also the same women who want to be hog tied and spanked silly by a dominate masculine man? There's a big difference between consensual kink and being regarded as a second-class citizen your entire life.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/18 07:56 PM
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You know a lot of people who glorify gold digging or tell their daughters that they have to sleep their way to the top?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/18 09:55 PM
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Never said that women were saints, bud. The main difference here is that "toxic masculinity" is used to refer to a wide set of values that is reinforced and even actively encouraged by society, rather than to any single person's moral failings.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/18 09:03 PM
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In your made-up world, yes. The rest of us live in reality
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/18 02:27 PM
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Depends on the outcomes. Playing on someone's fear and insecurity to gain power over them, especially in a romantic or platonic setting, is wrong in my book.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/18 01:23 AM
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I'm not trying to be flippant here. I don't know you or your history, but I know my fair share of people who had a string of bad, or even abusive relationships. I'm not talking about your mom or your teachers, but about wives and partners: Maybe all of them were shit, but if that's the case why did you keep choosing them? Were there any red flags that you ignored? Common elements that could have helped you avoid the messes? I'm not saying this to blame you for any of them (again, don't know you)…
/r/MGTOW02/04/18 10:12 PM
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or, maybe it's just you?
/r/MGTOW02/04/18 09:53 PM
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This belongs in r/murderedbywords
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/18 09:49 PM
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I don't think it's easier to spot than any other manipulative behaviors: Some people are too clumsy to use them effectively while other people can successfully camouflage their intentions and slowly gaslight the victim. At the end of the day it comes down to how competent the manipulator is and whether the intended victim is aware of those tactics to begin with: A more informed victim should have an easier time spotting those tactics, but everyone can be fooled.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/18 09:47 PM
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I'm not really sure what that would be, honestly. I think that the term "toxic masculinity" makes sense because it's a shorthand used to refer to a set of behaviors that are traditionally associated with masculinity such as aggression, machismo, and emotional repression and that have deeply destructive effects on you or on people around you if taken to an extreme. I'm not sure which traditionally feminine qualities can be negative to the same extent: I guess that subservience or submissiveness c…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/18 09:40 PM
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Henry Caville is to the average man as Jennifer Lawrence is to the average woman, generally speaking. If men don't care about many criteria regarding their partners, that says a lot more about men than it does about women.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/18 04:46 PM
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There's nothing keeping you from using low-key makeup to hide skin flaws: that's the only way for actors and models to look like they do on cam, anyway, and most of the time you can't even tell the difference. There's also a lot you can do with clothing to hide certain defects: A tailored shirt won't help if you weigh 400 pounds, but it can easily make a dad-bod look much better than it would while naked.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/18 04:43 PM
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Or, you know, bras are pretty uncomfortable and many women feel like they prefer putting their own comfort over social expectations that arbitrarily cast their nipples as shameful
/r/askTRP10/03/18 07:02 PM
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I support equality of opportunity. I think that you must've misunderstood Sandberg's statement there: The point is that she doesn't think there's any objective reason why, in a completely unbiased society, the CEO/housespouse split would not be 50/50. She's assuming that women are just as capable of running companies as men are, and that men are just as good at caring for households as women, and that the fact that the split isn't even is due to societal gendered bias.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/18 09:38 PM
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Yup. No gender has a monopoly on poor judgment
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/18 12:30 AM
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Dark triad men have higher mating success The paper points out that these traits are often associated with success due to deception and manipulation. The men who exhibit seem succeed because they are good at hiding these traits and deceiving others into thinking that they aren't manipulative or sociopathic. feminist woman confessing she fucks multiple "sexists" Good for her, I guess? She outright says that she likes antagonistic relationships and power play. another feminist article criticizing …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/18 10:27 PM
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Deceit does get around it, but the fact that some people need to resort to deceit in the first place kind of proves that their behavior would be unacceptable if it was up in the open.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/18 08:51 PM
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You want those interactions to be consensual though: I've been involved in dom/sub play as well but I'm pretty sure that I don't want someone randomly coming at me with a single tail while I'm doing groceries. Yeah, I understand, and it's great to keep that allure and mystery in sexual relationships, but they don't have a place in other relationships. I don't care whether my colleague is a guardian of sex: I just want her to hand in her designs, and if she must fart I'd rather she keep it out of…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/18 08:50 PM
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Prove it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/18 08:29 PM
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My argument is that a good looking sexist will get laid less often than a good looking good guy, and that an ugly sexist will get laid less often than an ugly good guy. There are exceptions, mostly due to poor judgment, but in general your attitude towards women is one of many factors in your attractiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/18 08:00 PM
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I doubt that. I look pretty rough or traditionally "manly": This has made me attractive to some women, but turns off many others who prefer more boyish looks. It's down to personal preference.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/18 07:24 PM
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No, it's got more to do with how this moral deficiency gets expressed, and with our personal preference when it comes to human interaction. Being sexist won't keep you from getting laid in heavily traditional societies, because a woman's personal choice doesn't enter into that equation as much as it does in more liberal society: In fact, your sexism won't stand out there as much because it might very well be the norm. The point for us is that misogyny, sexism, and other lovely qualities are very…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/18 07:17 PM
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Yeah, I know of those issues. I've been involved with the local poly community for years now. There are definitely risks involved, which is why I don't recommend it for everyone. However, the issues you're describing seem to stem from people who shouldn't be having that kind of relationship in the first place: If one partner is unhappy or insecure about it, they shouldn't pursue it. Funnily enough it's been easier for me to meet women through my partner than when I was single, especially since t…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/18 04:37 AM
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True, which is why I'm generally in favor of open relationships for people who are secure enough to do so.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/18 11:34 PM
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If a long term partner is equally capable of satisfying you, why would you prefer sex with old, possibly more attractive lovers?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/18 10:54 PM
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Why do you assume that a long-term partner doesn't know your body?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/18 09:44 PM
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If you don't know how to satisfy your partner despite being with them for a long time, that says a lot more about you than it does about your partner or their past partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/18 09:43 PM
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Good looks != good sex Anecdotal, but some of the most boring sex I've ever had was with my best looking partners, while some of the less conventionally attractive ones were phenomenal in bed. In general it's about chemistry, attentiveness, and shared kinks and interests. Looks certainly help and most of us do have a requirement for looks, but they're far from a guarantee of good sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/18 09:41 PM
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If he knowingly strings her along with promises he has no intention of keeping, then he's definitely a jerk. But if he makes his intentions clear and she sticks around in the hopes that he'll change his mind, she's delusional.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/18 09:39 PM
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Yes, I would absolutely say no/stop. If he didn't, he's a full on rapist. And then you'd have the rest of your TRP friends telling you it wasn't real rape because you agreed to sleep with him in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/18 12:15 AM
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I guess I see ass slapping, hair pulling and light choking as pretty standard fare in sexual encounters I tend to see these things as pretty vanilla considering my own interests, but I still wouldn't assume that any partner wants them without checking with them first. It's hard to believe, but the escalation isn't always gradual: I've met enough women in my circles who have had experiences where guys went from 0 to 100 out of nowhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/18 12:14 AM
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Nobody escalates like that And nobody should escalate to choking and slapping without checking with their partner either. I've seen the latter happen even at kink parties where slapping and choking is expected in some scenes: Even there, you're supposed to check with your partner before the actual play begins and ask them about their boundaries.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/18 12:12 AM
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Ok, now try again without relying on the religious mumbo jumbo.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/18 08:50 PM
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Because marriage is a lifetime commitment Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/18 08:20 PM
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Why would you stay with someone who's put you through great hardship or cheated on you, if you didn't have a reasonable expectation that the situation would improve?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/18 08:10 PM
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It's about as valid as claiming that 3/4ths of marriages end in divorce. Do you honestly believe that people just walk out on relationships without even trying to fix them? Or that putting more obstacles to leaving would encourage people to try harder to fix their relationships?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/18 07:41 PM
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I'd think that it being wrong or inaccurate would be an issue with it
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/18 07:11 PM
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3/4 of all relationships fail. What makes you think that signing a piece of paper proclaiming that you're married is going to change that? Maybe the problem isn't that marriages end, but that we expect them to last a lifetime.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/18 04:26 PM
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I'm a guy, but yes I know a lot of women who date that type. I also know many more who don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/18 01:38 PM
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Yeah, but it ain't
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/18 03:48 AM
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That all women are shallow, childlike opportunists who all evaluate men on the same checklist, will change mates the second a new one comes along who ticks more boxes on that list, want nothing more than to drain men of their hard-earned money or status, and are inherently predisposed to being subservient to Real Men
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/18 10:20 PM
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I brought that one up with my fiancee a little while ago because we're getting married in August since we have a disparity in income and assets: I work in tech while she's in public health, so my income is guaranteed to be and remain larger than hers. On the other hand, her family is much wealthier than mine so she's likely to get much more from them later on. I have about 15K left in debts from grad school, but I'm easily on track to repay those with my current income, and she doesn't have any …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/18 09:59 PM
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Yup: I grew up in the Middle East, where my 6' put me in the taller range. I feel positively undersized since coming to the US.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/18 09:53 PM
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Can confirm, I've dated taller European women and it was never a concern of theirs. Meanwhile the tall American women I've dated seemed more self-conscious about their own height than concerned about mine.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/18 09:52 PM
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And so far, the only thing against Aziz is an uncomfortable sexual encounter. I'm pretty blue, but I can't see his situation as assault or harassment.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/18 09:50 PM
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NBA players tend to be ripped or well-built as well, so it's not simply about height or about being an athlete. Very few people swoon at the sight of a marathon runner.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/18 09:47 PM
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It's an exaggerated example, but any career level beyond middle class is usually at the point where both spouses can have good-paying careers if they so choose.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/18 09:46 PM
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"All women fit a stereotype that I have bought into so that I can rationalize all of my negative experiences with women"
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/18 09:40 PM
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It doesn't stop there. Many of his self-reported encounters would easily qualify as assault or date rape. The only reason he didn't get a metoo moment is because he's practically unknown, and the women he went after were apparently all too intoxicated to make good witnesses.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/18 02:22 PM
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True, and I was being a bit facetious here, but the fact remains that he's about as misogynistic as you can get without being the Grand Ayatollah.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/18 03:33 PM
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Because sites like Return of Kings paint any woman they disapprove of as subhuman skanks who should be lied to, psychologically abused, gaslighted, and in some cases raped. Seriously, have you seen the worst that some of these groups have to offer? They might make a good point once in a while, but it's been mixed with so much shit that the well is thoroughly poisoned by now.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/18 06:36 PM
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Yeah, I'm sure that the guy who advocated for abolishing rape laws and the conspiracy theorist trying to smear everyone else as pedophiles are perfectly lovely people.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/18 06:32 PM
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Well, how could anyone object to such a well-supported graph
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/18 06:30 PM
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Yeah, and TRP caters to that very specific set of demands: Namely, getting your dick wet faster and more often. You're only reinforcing u/WestsideMoonWalker 's point: People seek out TRP to get their dicks wet, not to become better people.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/18 06:28 PM
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I'm sure that you have a point somewhere in there, but for the life of me I can't figure it out. Yes, circumcision is bad. Mine never affected me negatively, but I'll agree with you that it's a dumb idea. But how does that have any bearing on all other issues?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/18 06:26 PM
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It's almost as if social interactions are a complex set of beliefs, norms, and personal inclinations that don't fit easily defined categories.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/18 06:25 PM
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Where do you get the impression that we believe that? My personal opinion is that TRP is mostly a haven for men who encountered the worst that womankind has to offer and coped with it by painting all women with that brush, or for young guys who aren't having as much romantic or sexual success as they think they should. If anything I feel kinda bad for most of them because of their experience or their disappointment. The only ones I truly loathe are cult leaders like Roosh and Cernovich.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/18 06:23 PM
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Yeah, I don't disagree with that last part, and I've faced the same issue. Maybe my own experiences are coloring my perception, but eventually I found people who actually valued those qualities and was lucky enough to date women who appreciate them.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/18 05:07 PM
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What's wrong with the argument you posted? Note that I'm not defending every article of theirs, but I don't see the problem with this one
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/18 12:35 AM
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Personally, I'd rather that people be able to choose their partners freely, rather than being forced into an undesired relationship. Why do you assume a dichotomy between niceness and attractiveness? You're using a very narrow definition of niceness (the kind that lands you in r/niceguys) and then applying that to all non-rp behavior
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/18 12:30 AM
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What don't you like about them?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/18 10:22 PM
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I helped my mother clean up the house ever since I was a kid, and did it myself when I was living alone for years. I also taught myself to cook and do it regularly today, both because I enjoy it and because I'm much better at it than my fiancee is (bless her heart, but the woman can't boil water). It isn't too hard but it's definitely a time sink: It took me a few hours a week to keep a tiny studio clean, and these days I rarely spend less than 30 minutes cooking if we're having anything more co…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/18 10:20 PM
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And this plan was set in motion by... THE JUICE!
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/18 10:16 PM
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What makes you think that it only occurs in egalitarian societies? Incel or undesirable men also exist in traditional societies, they simply have much less of an avenue to voice their complaints.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/18 10:15 PM
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The sad part is that toxic groups like TRP and much of the current manosphere have a vested interest in preventing healthier communities from existing. Groups like the Good Men Project catch the most shit specifically from so-called MRAs.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/18 10:10 PM
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I might agree with you there, but that doesn't mean that the likes of Cernovich and Petersen are actual solutions to those issues. It's like saying that oncologists are responsible for the rise of homeopathy because they haven't been able to heal all forms of cancer.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/18 10:08 PM
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Perhaps. It's a valid concern, but I'll have to wait and see if it actually materializes. At best, the remedy for it would be increased vigilance, as opposed to going back to the status quo which used to be "don't believe the victim unless forced to do so"
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/18 10:35 PM
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Yeah, everyone gets fucked up. I never disputed that. But you're the one claiming that being male is an automatic "I Win" button if you ever get violent with a woman. You're not listening: I'm telling you that my teachers and I have been in actual violent situations, as have some of our female students. I'm not talking firefights in Fallujah, but certainly muggings, physical attacks by abusive partners, belligerent drunks, etc. It's a terrifying situation, physical injury is always a big risk, a…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/18 10:27 PM
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That's true, but as you said extortion and blackmail have always been around. There was always a way to screw someone over. This might be a new weapon in that arsenal, but I don't think it's as much of an increase in risk as some people think.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/18 10:17 PM
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I'm a fairly large guy, and I've unfortunately been in that situation before. I've also seen women whom I train with, some of whom I've trained myself, be in that situation as well. It never ended well for the rando. Again, I'm not saying that any given woman can beat any given guy, only that you're vastly underestimating what a properly trained woman can do, especially against an untrained attacker. Yes, there is a point at which sheer size and strength, or other external circumstances, will ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/18 10:15 PM
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Takes more than one claim though: Most of the guys called out by metoo had a dozen or so independent accusers. I'm not saying that should count as proof in a court of law, but the existence of that pattern by itself is damning to the accused. That's why so many people were against Aziz's accuser: it sounded like a bad situation, but an isolated and understandable one
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/18 09:25 PM
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There's a lot of bullshit out there, but if you think that legit training only consists of taebo kicks then you're in for a very rude awakening.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/18 09:22 PM
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Yeah, many of the attacks against him were incredibly over the top, and I don't agree with them. Most feminists I know, at least, don't agree with the attacks on him either. At most you can accuse him of being a bad date or a shitty lover, but that's more of a one-star review than a criminal accusation. If anything, I think that story was one of the points that we'll eventually use to evaluate dating norms: If relations went on a scale of Harvey Weinstein to neutral and then to absolute perfecti…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/18 08:41 PM
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I mean, anyone would be foolish to think that their numbers would matter much if the potential threat is armed or is willing to inflict as much damage as they can without regards to their own safety. You're very much underestimating these women though: I can't speak for the general population, but at least the women I've seen in my self-defense seminars or in the various combat sports gyms I've attended over the years could probably neutralize the majority of men, especially if they could gang u…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/18 08:38 PM
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Basically you're saying that a group of women would otherwise by cowed by the threat of one guy going full psycho on them?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/18 07:22 PM
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No, it won't: It will probably lead to an adjustment period where certain groups reevaluate their dating culture, but I think that we'll ultimately be better off for it. Even the Aziz Ansari story was valuable in that respect: We're going to have a period where we try to determine what should qualify as harassment, what is simply being a bad date or bad lover, and what constitutes a respectful and attractive approach, and we'll do that by taking a microscope to some cases and issues. I hope that…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/18 07:21 PM
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I don't think that Aziz' case rises to the level of assault, and once we've reached an equilibrium I think it would simply be treated as a warning that he's a shitty lover
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/18 03:00 AM
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I'm sorry you've experienced that. I'm familiar with compatibility tests, to see if someone matches what you want out of a relationship, and I've been on both sides of them, but I can't say I've seen the "chink in armor" kind of test. I hope that you'll have better experiences
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/18 02:22 AM
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I think that "right" might be the wrong word to use here since it has so many legal connotations. Personally I'd replace with "the ability to do X", since this implies that external circumstances should be changed until doing X is no longer a risky proposition. In the case of bad neighborhoods, it means addressing the root causes of crime effectively: That might mean enforcement, or that might mean reducing systemic poverty and disenfranchisement. We'll never eliminate all instances, but we know…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/18 02:14 AM
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No, I don't. I think that there's a reasonable compromise to be found between absolute innocence, and proof beyond a reasonable doubt. I don't know what it is, but I know that it used to be too easy to get away with this stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/18 02:09 AM
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I'm not saying that to be a bragging asshole, I'm just wondering if shit-tests are as common as RPers claim, if they're mostly done by the women that RPers seem to gravitate to, or if people see shit-tests where there aren't any.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/18 01:03 AM
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I'm a fairly large guy and a martial artist, and I'm also on alert whenever I'm walking alone at night. Just because you don't fit the usual victim profile doesn't mean that you're completely safe. I agree with the sentiment that everyone, including women, need the right to walk alone and feel safe. That's an observation on crime trends and a rebuttal of the idea that victims of a crime should be taken to task for failing to take proper precautions. That sentiment wouldn't exist if not for peopl…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/18 12:59 AM
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I don't think that it's a better system: We've seen how few cases of sexual harassment can even go to trial, let alone get a conviction. If the victims had an airtight case they wouldn't even need to go to the media: They'd just sue the perpetrator and get justice or neutralize them that way. I know that public accusations and the court of public opinion can and often does get things wrong, but forcing people to have incontrovertible proof is also the wrong way because it can easily be abused by…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/18 12:55 AM
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Call me crazy, but it might be that they actually like these women as individuals, as opposed to treating them like abstract checklists of arbitrarily assigned values?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/18 12:49 AM
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I really can't remember being shit-tested, especially not by the women whom I dated for any length of time.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/18 12:47 AM
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I've said this before: redpill attracts men who ran into the worst that womankind has to offer, and they generalized this behavior to all women in an attempt to cope with their experiences.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/18 12:46 AM
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I think that one has more to do with morbid curiosity
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/18 10:18 PM
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"Send bobs and vagene" is a meme about Indian guys asking women to send nudes (boobs and vagina) making fun of the sender's poor spelling and grammar. Welp, that's my Dwight moment of the day
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/18 10:17 PM
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No, it doesn't: Why would it be biologically destructive for men to be nurturing?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/18 05:48 AM
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Really depends on the feature. Furthermore, why are you assuming that masculine and feminine qualities are mutually exclusive? Why can't a person be aggressive in one context, and nurturing in another?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/18 04:01 AM
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No, actually, it doesn't. So far you're just asserting that they are, without backing it up with actual examples of harm
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/18 03:38 AM
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Admittedly it might be a local thing, I'm in a pretty liberal place. It does remind you to temper your assumptions though.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/18 05:53 PM
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Yep, that makes sense. Interestingly I've heard the same issue from some older women, who claim that their potential partners are the ones who want children and rule them out because the women don't want any,
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/18 05:43 PM
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That's not an answer though: You think they're a bad thing for men, based on your prior comments. Why is that?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/18 05:32 PM
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Why are female-associated modes of behavior a bad thing? I agree that behaving in a certain way for the sole aim of getting sex is a bad idea, especially if you don't believe in or agree with that behavior. I'm just asking what you consider to be female modes of behavior, and why it's a bad thing for men to adopt them.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/18 05:02 PM
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People being treated according to their personal choices, preferences, and capability rather than according to expectations, responsibilities, and limitations based on their gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/18 04:59 PM
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I agree, although that discussion seems to change with age and priority. It never came up when I was in my early 20s, but I saw it being mentioned more as I got older (or as I dated older women).
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/18 04:58 PM
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That's a pretty sad way of living.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/18 04:56 PM
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Define mangina.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/18 04:50 PM
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Toxic masculinity says nothing about a man's physical characteristics: It's all about how they use them. Non-toxic masculinity doesn't mean that men will become smaller or more feminine: It simply means that men, regardless of their physique, would be less prone to destructive behavior associated with violence or emotional suppression.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/18 04:50 PM
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I think that the issue of toxic masculinity is that some of these masculine qualities are simply taken to a destructive extreme, and that the solution is to shift the window to a healthier part of the spectrum. I don't see anything wrong with most masculine qualities per se (I've said before that they are good qualities to have regardless of gender), but that there is a point past which they become destructive: Protectiveness can become stifling, stoicism leads to repressed serious mental and em…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/18 04:47 PM
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It's about social representation as much as it is about legal rights. You don't have a right to be treated fairly at work, but you would probably want to change a situation where you always got the worst and lowest paying clients because of your boss' bias.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/18 04:22 PM
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For me it boils down to this: Do you believe that men and women should have equal rights and responsibilities in society? Do you think that they are equally capable of agency, and that their agency should be respected to the same degree? As far as I'm concerned feminism is the concept that society should treat people individually rather than making gender-wide assumptions about them and imposing arbitrary duties, restrictions, or limitations on them based solely on their gender. You could call i…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/18 04:19 PM
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i think that it's something that should be discussed when you're getting into a relationship: If you think that you might want children at some point, you should share that with your partner, and to do that as soon as you feel comfortable. Then it's on them to tell you whether they are physically incapable of it. That doesn't need to prevent the relationship (donors, carriers, and adoption are all options), but at least it sets the expectation.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/18 04:13 PM
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What's the difference between sex bots and vibrators?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/18 05:05 PM
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I agree with that, and I think it's silly to try and shoehorn historic figures into modern movements. However, your comment implied that frminism is incompatible with family units. I'm not sure whether i misunderstood that
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/18 08:23 PM
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What makes you think that family units and a social support system are incompatible with feminism?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/18 07:03 PM
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So why are women irrational in your opinion, if they get something they want in the process?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/18 03:04 PM
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So why do men choose women at all? Are they all rationally stunted too?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/18 02:35 PM
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So all women are irrational, emotionally driven, abusive psychopaths in your opinion?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/18 02:33 PM
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You sure? According to redpillers most men seem to choose abusive, manipulative psychopaths who remorselessly use them then screw them over
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/18 02:31 PM
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That seems more to be about men viewing each other as competition, whereas women had to learn how to cooperate and empathize with each other
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/18 02:03 PM
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Don't bother. I've had long conversations with this guy before. He genuinely believes that women are physically and intellectually inferior
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/18 01:58 PM
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Did you read the article you linked? I haven't read the Koran in years so I can't corroborate it, but if the autbor got his facts right then he's right to say that Muhammad did improve the condition of women in his time, and that modern Islam is a perversion of his beliefs
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/18 01:55 PM
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That says more about the people here than it does about the severity of harassment and abuse
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/18 01:48 PM
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This. I'm a fairly large guy now, but I was heavily physically bullied as a child. A few years ago I helped run self defense seminars for women, and a lightbulb went off when I realized that many of our attendees saw men the same way I looked at larger and older boys when I used to get beaten up.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/18 01:47 PM
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What makes you think that men are more logical when it comes to choosing partners?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/18 01:36 PM
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I disagree: By the woman's own account, Aziz didn't threaten or coerce her in any way. He had absolutely no power over her, and it seems like this was simply a case of mismatched desires. I understand that she might have felt bad, and I certainly don't fault her for sleeping with the guy, but frankly this situation is way too murky to qualify as any kind of assault or abuse.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/18 04:03 PM
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I'm on Aziz' side here: The woman's own account fails to support her claim. I'm sympathetic to people who claim that they were pressured into act A when they had only wanted to consent to act B, but the line there is too blurry for me to support allegations of rape or abuse. This is very different from cases like O'Reilly, Weinstein, or Ailes where the women never consented to any sexual behavior but the men went on anyway. Going by the woman's account, she was already having sex with him but di…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/18 04:00 PM
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It isn't. I've noticed that many feminist circles are actually against the author of this story because it seems like she's bandwagoning or trying to write a hit piece with little substance, and thus detract from legitimate stories of abuse.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/18 03:55 PM
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You could've just said that you don't understand context.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/18 08:06 PM
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don't even understand what's the point of not wanting to be sexualized "all the time" it means that they don't want their sexual potential to be a factor, especially not a define one, in all contexts. A woman doesn't stop being a woman because she's at work, but she wants her coworkers to evaluate her work on its own merits, not through the lens of whether their interactions with her will lead to sex or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/18 07:34 PM
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Mostly blue, and recently engaged: The only advice my mom gave me on the subject was to find someone that made me happy. My grandmother, with whom I was very close, said the same thing. being an old Arab woman, however, she had to add "as long as she isn't black"
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/18 07:23 PM
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I fit the description that you gave, so I'd like to weigh in: I don't want a wife and kids, but I do commit to my partner because I prefer her company to any other woman's. Commitment doesn't necessarily mean a wife, 2.5 kids, and a white picket fence.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/18 07:20 PM
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You're assuming that all women are interchangeable, and that men who can have their pick of women will never develop affection or attachment to a single person. While that situation is certainly possible (and if it makes one happy, more power to them), I think that most people at least like to have some form of longer-term companionship. This doesn't necessarily mean a traditionally monogamous marriage, but it does require some form of commitment by which both partners get something of value fro…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/18 07:18 PM
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So, you got nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/18 01:35 AM
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Having trained my fair share of newbies, I can safely say that most men don't know how to throw a proper punch either. Ironically enough the female students ended up being the most vicious in sparring once we taught them the basics.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/18 01:34 AM
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All of masculinity? Examples please.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/18 12:16 AM
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I'm a bit stunned that you took the time to find this post, and yet somehow missed its conclusion: Obviously the term has been appropriated by feminists and is often employed within feminist theoretical frameworks, but let's maybe at least stop saying that it was created as feminist propaganda to denigrate men. Where do you get the idea that feminists think that all of masculinity is toxic?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/18 11:54 PM
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I can only speak from my own experience, but this kind of stuff did help me. I come from a traditional and machistic society. I'm a big guy, I look masculine, and I'm generally resilient and stoic. I also almost developed depressive episodes because my family and my surroundings hadn't taught me any good ways of dealing with grief or insecurity, and I saw quite a few of my peers struggle with this, even as they enforced those societal standards upon each other. There is a big overlap between men…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/18 08:57 PM
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No, because there are plenty of people around who can examine a concept rationally. This content isn't aimed at the manosphere: It's aimed at men who are struggling with these issues but genuinely want to address them, rather than look for a convenient cope
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/18 08:44 PM
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I didn't quite understand that
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/18 07:54 PM
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Momentarily turned off, yes, but that doesn't mean that they would reject their partners. I don't need my partner to act turned on if I'm feeling scared because my father has cancer: I need her to be supportive and understanding. These stories are quite useless without context: Did he lose his job or get kicked out of school because of a long string of irresponsible and destructive behavior, for example? As for soldiers, I agree that it's a shit situation, but long distance relationships are a b…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/18 06:44 PM
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I see where you're coming from, but unfortunately I can't help but think that many or most of the people who are up in arms against the term would be similarly incensed at any criticism directed at men.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/18 06:41 PM
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So are destructive behaviors caused by social expectations of masculinity.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/18 06:40 PM
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Show us on the doll where the women hurt you
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/18 05:33 PM
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How is the term any worse than saying "junk food"?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/18 05:32 PM
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It's only considered toxic when the act of repressing your emotions leads you to develop unhealthy coping mechanisms such as alcoholism, or if it negatively impacts your relationship with others by causing them to see you as unavailable or uncaring.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/18 05:31 PM
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I do, but it's far from limited to testosterone. My main issue is with your overly broad generalization. Most people, regardless of gender, have no idea how to deal with violence. Couple that with the size differences across ethnicities and countries and your generalization becomes inapplicable. I'm not sure you could get that one past an ethical review board...
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/18 05:00 PM
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There are some interesting studies on appropriate emotional responses according to age, context, gravity, etc. It's true that the expression is more acceptable for women across the board. I would love for that standard to be gender-agnostic, but I think that we could all use a bit more empathy than we're used to most days.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/18 04:57 PM
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Spoken like someone who truly does not understand statistics or biology.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/18 04:55 PM
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Those qualities (stoicism, confidence,) are technically "toxic masculinity" in modern parlance No, they aren't. Toxic masculinity might be misused at times, but the term has a very clear definition. It refers specifically to "values" that directly lead to abusive relationships or mental health issues. The Wiki article on this has a surprisingly good explanation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toxic_masculinity
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/18 04:53 PM
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Depends on your relationship with the woman. I wouldn't admit my insecurities to someone whom I barely know. My fiancee, on the other hand, knows about most of them and has helped me tremendously to overcome them. That's a major reason why we're engaged.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/18 04:49 PM
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Anyone who thinks that has either never been in a relationship, or has been dating some truly horrible women.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/18 04:48 PM
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I think that you missed the point of the comic by a bit: Men have long been taught that we are not allowed to express certain emotions, even if doing so would be healthy and beneficial. The idea behind the comic is that men need to be able to express those emotions. The author isn't saying that you should express everything, all the time, in as extreme a manner as possible. Nobody's telling to cry rivers every time you get a paper cut. What we're saying is that it's ok to cry or express grief, h…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/18 04:47 PM
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Hell yes, they should be taught. This is just as important as learning to protect yourself from STDs, if not more. Some of the self-defense seminars we ran for high school and college students turned into impromptu sex ed and consent classes because the students had no idea that they had a right to say no and walk away at any time.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/18 04:40 PM
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Literally being the keyword here. The idea is to seek women out who appreciate the person that you want to be, rather than shoehorning yourself into a stereotype to attract women who like that stereotype, not the person within it. It's a balancing act: Do you want to attract women more than you want to avoid the gym? Or are you OK with being single because you prefer your own hobbies anyway?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/18 04:37 PM
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I've often compared it to turning to homeopathy because you developed a cancerous growth that your oncologist couldn't remove.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/18 04:34 PM
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women are too weak to be believable action stars So are 99% of men, and yet that's never stopped a movie.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/18 11:44 PM
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A closer analogy would be that you have 25K but you can't spend it on yourself: People can take it away from you, or you can choose to give it to people that you care about, but you can't use it for your own good.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/18 10:13 PM
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Except they don't want to marry "career" women either because that is too masculine. Sounds like they're choosing to have that problem then.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/18 10:11 PM
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True, although you could probably cast Cris Cyborg in her role and you'd still have the manosphere griping about women being too weak to do what she does.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/18 10:04 PM
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He should be worried about who he is and his past Why should he? Dude basically never knew anything outside of the First Order. The only past he has involves brainwashing and abuse by Space North Korea. If I was him I'd much rather go after the hot chick than look deeper into that.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/18 10:03 PM
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Yep, I have my own criticism of the writing, but it's only about the writing: The issues would've been the same regardless of the genders or races involved.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/18 09:12 PM
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I'm guessing that only two parts of the username check out.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/18 08:26 PM
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They don't enjoy the salt.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/18 08:21 PM
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The scavenger and mechanic part were pretty much her day job back on Jakku, so she had to be good at them in order to stay alive. She beats a badly injured Kylo and Luke was kicking her ass until she pulled a lightsaber on him while he only had a stick. That's like bringing a nuke to a fist fight. She has much more trouble against Snoke's guard at the end, while Kylo takes down most of them. If anything she's shown to have immense potential with the force, but little training. I'm with you on th…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/18 06:30 PM
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That's true, but I doubt that she'll be back unless they rebuild her Vader style. The woman went extra crispy in her last scene.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/18 06:26 PM
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What do you mean? I never denied that criticism of the movie. I have my own issues with it, just not the same ones that the anti-SJW crowd has. I did enjoy them though: I've never been a hardcore fan, so as far as I'm concerned they're just a fun watch.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/18 06:25 PM
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You do realize how many female pilots we saw die during the bombing run, not to mention the admiral's kamikaze run?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/18 06:21 PM
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Both movies were pretty much retellings of the original trilogy. I can't tell if it's because they wanted to capitalize on the nostalgia, were too lazy to invent new storylines, or if it was a stylistic choice to draw parallels between the two.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/18 06:20 PM
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To be fair I'm not sure if Snoke was supposed to be white or softboiled.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/18 06:06 PM
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Strong with this one, the sarcasm is.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/18 06:06 PM
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I was a bit puzzled by that one, but my pet theory is that Snoke was messing with Luke's mind too to poison him against Kylo.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/18 06:03 PM
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Basically Luke turned into a Republican as he got older. If not for Kylo's massacre, Luke would've retired, moved to Florida, and started watching FOX News. In a way, Kylo's massacre saved Luke from his own fate.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/18 06:03 PM
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Po's practically the third in command in the resistance, and the latters are banking on Luke to come and be the Great Male Savior, so the resistance does have some male higher ups. Also the dark side hierarchy consists of just three guys (two of which were equal prior to Kylo's coup), and one of the more prominent villain bosses (Phasma) is female.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/18 06:01 PM
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Yeah, I included Po in the "failure" rather than beta category of criticisms. I have no problems with Finn's character and arc. He's probably my favorite character in this series.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/18 05:59 PM
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Which makes no sense considering that we know that Rey spent multiple days at least with Luke, if not much longer. The only way that works is if half of Rey's story is told in retrospect, or if the two stories are progressing over different periods and they just rejoin at the end.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/18 05:58 PM
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They didn't know that the First Order could follow them across jumps at the time though.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/18 05:56 PM
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Technically she's going off of potential rather than training: Snoke runs circles around her because she's naive and untrained, and Kylo's shown to be a much better fighter in the throne room fight (he takes down most of the guards, if I'm not mistaken). She only wins when it's a straight up contest of force power. Well yeah, someone has to be right: Po's the only male character who was really wrong, and that's only because he wasn't clued in. I did say that the admiral's decision to not inform …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/18 05:44 PM
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Technically she's going off of potential rather than training: Snoke runs circles around her because she's naive and untrained, and Kylo's shown to be a much better fighter in the throne room fight (he takes down most of the guards, if I'm not mistaken). She only wins when it's a straight up contest of force power. Well yeah, someone has to be right: Po's the only male character who was really wrong, and that's only because he wasn't clued in. I did say that the admiral's decision to not inform …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/18 05:40 PM
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One of my main gripes with this new series is just how confusing and unrealistic the time spans are. Apparently events take as long as they need to in order for other unrelated events to complete. For all we know Rey's been gone for weeks and that was the longest chase sequence in history. Yeah, I agree that they changed Luke in an almost blasphemous way (Hamill said so too), but I'm happy with his actions at the end of the movie.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/18 05:36 PM
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I'm just saying that she isn't more of a Mary Sue than most characters whose competency we accepted wholesale.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/18 05:34 PM
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I meant pressing on with the bomber run to take down that ship: He destroyed a fleet killer, but at the cost of all of the Resistance's bombers. From what I can tell the First Order could replace its ships far easier than the Resistance.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/18 05:33 PM
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Again, what were those choices? I'm not convinced that the movie makes its female leads exceptionally hypercompetent, nor that it turned its male leads into failures.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/18 04:56 PM
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So would you agree that most other action movies with male leads are pro-male and anti-female propaganda, and had massive plotholes and cringey moments seeded throughout? Because that's kind of what it boils down to if you want to see everything as a gender dynamic
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/18 04:36 PM
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I didn't mean that your post is misguided, but that the criticism offered by the manosphere on those grounds is misguided. I'm a bp/pp male, and I quite enjoyed the movie. I griped about a couple of plot holes but those could've happened regardless of the characters' race or gender. I can understand why the movie might expand its appeal to a larger female, but I'm genuinely baffled at the male audience who got pissed off by it considering that much of their criticism could apply to any other act…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/18 04:26 PM
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Again, what has been said about Rey that couldn't have been said about most hypercompetent protagonists? We always expect the protagonists in these movies to show some innate talent that others could only dream of, even if they had the same training. That's what makes many of them protagonists. The mind control scene looked particularly ass-pully but I think it was mostly written for comedic effect. Not the choice I would've made, but it was pretty funny.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/18 04:17 PM
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Yeah, the writing's bad and somewhat repetitive given how closely it mirrors the first trilogy. They basically combined the original trilogy into the first two movies of this one. I don't see where the rest of the anti-SJW critique comes from though. Sounds like you could make the same arguments against any action movie that didn't have exclusively white and male leads. Edit: saved too soon. Name a woman in the series who's mentally fragile or has problems. Rey has a huge issue where her family'…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/18 04:10 PM
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The Mary Sue effect is a real thing, but I don't really see how Rey is any worse than most action movie protagonists. At least Star Wars has the convenient excuse of saying she "used the force" to explain away any discrepancies.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/18 04:08 PM
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Gotta say, my dick twitched a little at that idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/18 04:06 PM
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It would be so nice for a female lead to make it out of a major franchise without becoming someone’s love interest for once That's part of what I loved about Rogue One: the two main protagonists end up with a great, non-romantic relationship. I hadn't realized how rare that was until I thought about it after this movie.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/18 04:05 PM
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Tell me more about your views on homosexual men...
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/18 04:04 PM
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diversity casting, Admiral Purplehair, all the male leads being failures I don't quite get these points. Is it all that strange to have some of the main character be black or female? Why would the movie default to all white male leads? That doesn't even apply to the originals: Leia played as big of a role as Han in the original trilogy, for example. Again, the costume looked a bit ridiculous, but she's basically competing with a walking calamari dish... How were the male leads failures? Kylo Ren…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/18 04:03 PM
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Give me the context and reference for that quote that you keep bringing up.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/18 03:51 PM
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Again, why is it hypocritical? Do you think that anyone advocating for better treatment for the poor needs to live like Mother Theresa?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/18 09:53 PM
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You're missing the point: I couldn't care less about his personal wealth. I think that the policies that he advocates for are beneficial and necessary. Hell, I might even start supporting Trump if he pushed for the same policies, and I think he's barely better than Bernie Madoff.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/18 09:41 PM
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Because policy changes will always trump personal charity in terms of reach and effectiveness. There's a reason why we have Social Security, Medicaid, and Medicare rather than relying on charitable donations from wealthy individuals.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/18 09:22 PM
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No, that's a silly argument. You're essentially claiming that his end goal, and that of his movement, is to harm the entire country and impoverish them to the level of a third world country. I'm going to need some extraordinary proof for that claim, otherwise you might as well be channeling Rush Limbaugh's dumbest moments.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/18 06:29 PM
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Except he never said that
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/18 05:36 PM
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He never said "pity me", and he doesn't claim the high ground by claiming to be poor. His entire position boils down to "many people need help, we need to address this, and some very rich people are in the way of that". Wealth is only a vice if it's made at the expense of others, especially the powerless
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/18 05:36 PM
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I did, and found it less than convincing. It's an overly large generalization that goes well beyond what anyone considers basic decency.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/18 02:18 PM
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It isn't a sale: PP being a charity, it asks people to cover the transfer costs if they can, but will cover it if they cannot. I don't trust the videos farther than I can spit, simply because of how easy it is to edit someone's words to make it look like they said something that they did not, and because the nitwit behind them has a long history of unsupported claims.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/18 06:18 PM
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Yeah, and those women are bad people. Leading another person on for your own gain is a shitty thing to do. I'm sure that some BP women are dishonest enough to do that, but I don't think they qualify for an indictment of the entire gender or movement. Do you stand by every word ever said by every RPer?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/18 06:16 PM
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Yep, I agree
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/18 06:15 PM
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Really depends on the couple's income and context. In some cases, 50% can be reasonable if she was a stay-at-home mom with no income of her own and provided labor at home that allowed the man to focus on his career. Other cases will be more nuanced, and there may even be cases where the woman would owe her husband 50% if the situation I described above was reversed. I'm no legislator, but ultimately I'd base it on the relative income and value provided by each partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/18 06:14 PM
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What do you mean by "trafficking in fetal tissue"?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/18 06:12 PM
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The baby part sales was disproved by every investigation that looked into it, including ones conducted by hostile prosecutors in red states. I don't understand why you'd still cling to this claim, unless you're just trolling.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/18 05:29 PM
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Yeah, they are. I don't understand why you think that we have a problem admitting that some women can be just as shitty as some men.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/18 05:27 PM
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That's a pretty good argument for programs like CHIP and SNAP in the US, which should aim at providing a baseline for the kids' needs regardless of their parents' income.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/18 05:24 PM
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it really doesn't apply to conservative strongholds If you're going to bring abortion into this, you have to also account for the circumstances of the procedure. Otherwise you're erecting an artificial barrier to make your point stronger.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/18 05:23 PM
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The child support issue is more about the needs of the child than those of either of the parents. Yes, there is an imbalance between men and women's commitment since men can't opt out of child support as easily as women can get an abortion, but the laws on the subject are catered more to making sure that the child doesn't end up in a worse off situation. There are many things wrong with these laws, and frankly I think they would be unnecessary with a more robust social support system, but I agre…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/18 05:22 PM
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How are women not showing basic decency to men?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/18 05:17 PM
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Any decision a woman makes is good I can't tell if you're exaggerating or outright lying when you claim that we think that. I can't speak for all BP, but most of us seem to hold men and women to the same standards of basic decency. At the very least, we don't want people from either gender fucking each other up. Everyone owes everyone else basic decency, until the other party does something to lose that right (and it has to be that specific party, not everyone from an umbrella group). Take your …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/18 05:16 PM
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Yeah, I kinda agree with you. However, there's a difference between saying "Getting drunk is a bad idea" and "It's your fault that you were raped". Unfortunately, the former was the default attitude, and still is in many places.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/18 08:29 PM
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Yeah, those people shouldn't have done that, but like you just said they were opposed by others who are supposedly on their side. It would be nice if feminists were always perfect, but we're just humans and we have our share of idiots.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/18 03:36 PM
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Slapping a female coworker on the ass (softly like athletes do) was at one point an acceptable thing Although I wonder why that was ever acceptable.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/18 03:35 PM
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Nobody's denying that those specific cases were horrible, and that false allegations are not a crime. Still, your response makes as much sense as claiming that we should not talk about murder because the justice system convicts the wrong person up to 5% of the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/18 03:33 PM
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You're overreaching there: Yeah, there are false allegations logged, nobody's denying that. But I think that you're overestimating the power and reach of these allegations by taking a few extreme cases and extrapolating them to the general population. I linked this article to a different comment on this post: They found that not only was the number of false allegations tiny, but that the people behind them usually had criminal histories to begin with, were unlikely to be believed by the police o…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/18 03:31 PM
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And now you know why BLM exists in the first place
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/18 03:23 PM
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Killing your boyfriend is a whole other level though. It does put things into perspective, doesn't it? "Well, she might drink pumpkin spice lattes and like EDM, but at least she doesn't stab people's eyeballs with nail files"
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/18 06:50 AM
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I did have to deal with rumors of that while in college, because I'd helped a drunk classmate get back to her house. Still, she dispelled the rumors herself a few days later. As a general rule, don't fuck crazy...
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/18 06:46 AM
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That's usually a good piece of advice for most of your life. Sometimes I wonder if rpers end up that way because they generalize their experiences with the worst of womankind to apply to all women
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/18 06:44 AM
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This article compiled the false rape accusations that actually went far enough to result in criminal investigations and charges against the men. You'll find that most of them are just as unbelievable as those two: https://qz.com/980766/the-truth-about-false-rape-accusations/
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/18 06:05 AM
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That's true, but I don't see how the previous status quo was any better. At least with increased awareness there's a chance that more violent cases will gain more attention eventually.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/18 05:30 AM
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You're the one claiming that men have their lives irremediably ruined by these accusations. Shouldn't be too hard to prove damages in that case
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/18 05:30 AM
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Yeah, and he was wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/18 05:29 AM
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True, and seriously fuck that bitch as well as the entire police department. Sadly enough there's no lack of LEOs and prosecutors who will do their best to get a conviction regardless of guilt.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/18 03:00 AM
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Most women who make false allegations are judgement proof or close to it. What do you mean? That they're all broke?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/18 02:59 AM
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There's always civil lawsuits, especially in the US where suing for damages can be ridiculously easy.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/18 02:21 AM
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I'm just citing the examples that I remember.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/18 02:06 AM
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Yeah, sure. We must have a curiously large definition of tribalism if that's the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/18 02:05 AM
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There were at least two cases of women being tried for false accusations in the US in the last 6 months alone: http://www.shreveporttimes.com/story/news/2017/10/20/shreveport-woman-accused-making-false-rape-charge/784793001/ http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/08/16/michigan-woman-21-charged-for-false-rape-claim-at-college.html
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/18 02:04 AM
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Again, there's ample recourse.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/18 01:56 AM
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Yeah, I want actual victims to be able to come out, but I am worried about overcorrecting. It's still an improvement though, even if the trandition is a bit chaotic or painful
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/18 01:36 AM
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I agree
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/18 01:34 AM
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Us vs them is hardly limited to the left. It's the cornerstone of right wing politics
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/18 01:08 AM
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No, a few women said that and were vehemently shut down by others. We also have our share of idiots
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/18 01:07 AM
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I've worked with assault victims before and your friend's concern is legit, but that's more to do with not wanting to hear about this stuff in general. Most people don't know how to process that event.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/18 01:06 AM
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Women who are proven to have logged false accusations are held accountable. One such woman just caught 10 years in the UK, and victims of false claims can file civil suits.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/18 12:59 AM
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I agree with that part.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/18 10:06 PM
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Yeah, it's simply a shorthand to refer to the sexual assault stories coming out recently.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/18 10:05 PM
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I mean, someone who gets married purely because they want a warm body around to house to do the chores and occasionally watch Netflix with probably shouldn't get married in the first place. I'm a firm believer in only getting into relationships if you really want to share a respectful, loving, and intimate connection with the other person. Otherwise, why bother?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/18 09:50 PM
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I'll write a longer answer after work, but I wanted to point out that I agree with you that these guys have often had it rough. I know that from first hand experience: I went through much of the same stuff that those incels did during school and early college. It's BP that got me out of it though, and that's why I know that works.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/18 05:14 PM
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See, I don't disagree with much of what you've said, but in order for what you've said to be completely accurate then you'd have to prove that women actually do everything that you've stated. I'm not saying that you're wrong: There's a lot of horrible people in the world. But bloops (me included, to a certain extent), don't believe that all women are manipulative bitches. We aren't convinced that these men's experiences are representative, or even that they're accurate. After all, there's usuall…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/18 05:43 AM
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I was exposed to RP and PUA as a teenager and read up on the philosophy back then. I somewhat agreed with the emphasis on self-improvement, but that is far from unique to RP. However I had deep problems with accepting AWALT and the idea that I had to manipulate women psychologically into finding me attractive by treating them as if they were disposable, as if I cared less than they did, and by viewing them as inferior from an intellectual or maturity stand point. I was especially repulsed by Roo…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/18 11:23 PM
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I think it's mostly related to the Abrahamic religions and some of the codes that were included in them. Man on man love was not considered taboo in many societies before they were exposed to these ideas, and it was actually celebrated in some. Pre-Islamic Arab poets actually celebrated some male homosexual relationships. Even in the areas where it was looked down upon, it was mostly a byproduct of viewing sex as a power dynamic and considering women to be inferior to men: That led to men who bo…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/18 10:59 PM
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Nobody has an obligation to be nice to other people, but there is certainly a social expectation to act nice towards others. I'm not sure I agree with it, but I can understand why people would be taken aback by its absence, in the same way that someone might react negatively if they find you pissing on their front door.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/18 10:53 PM
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We don't think they're all that common, but those that do exist are vocal enough that they've become a trope unto themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/18 10:51 PM
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It's a balance. If I have something I need to say, I'll try to say it in a way that doesn't harm people, but I think that you have to be OK with some people getting pissed off or offended by it. However, I think that being offensive for no reason other than to piss people off is basically trolling, and I tend to look down on people who do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/18 09:57 PM
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Honestly those guys give the rest of the social justice group a bad name because they care more about the form than the substance. In my experience many of them end up being Nice Guys (TM) who think that basic decency and a lack of rudeness entitles them to sex, and end up being quite misogynistic when they realize that the world doesn't owe them a cookie for not being cunts.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/18 09:50 PM
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A lot of people confuse being nice with being a complete doormat. The latter group annoys me because I then have to keep myself on a much tighter leash, lest I run over them by accident. That being said I deeply respect people who go out of their way to preserve other people's sensibilities. Being rude or a shock-jock is easy, and in my book it's immature and pretty boring. People who show compassion and attentiveness tend to be more interesting because they consciously make the choice to listen…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/18 09:48 PM
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For me it was mostly about enjoying a fun activity with someone I found interesting or attractive. It isn't about simply sticking my dick in something: I've always walked away from partners who were too drunk, or whom I found otherwise uninteresting. On general principle I only slept with people with whom I had a lot of chemistry, and that generally spread beyond just sex: I almost always had a good time just hanging out with them before or after, even if they were people whom I met at kink even…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/18 09:43 PM
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I think that a relationship built on mutual respect and care for each other is going to be mostly egalitarian. My fiancee and I tend to take the lead on different issues: Some areas are more my purview, and I'm more combative than she is so I'm more willing to handle direct conflicts with others. On the other hand she's much better than I am in other areas, and a nicer person in general, so I'll follow her lead in those areas. For us it's mostly a matter of who's better suited for the job, as lo…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/18 09:40 PM
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I say that sometimes, but it's either a joke or I genuinely can't remember if my fiancee and I had made prior plans for that evening, and I want to check with her before double-booking myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/18 09:37 PM
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Can't talk for other bloopers, but I'm well aware of these issues and experienced them personally. I don't have a one size fits all alternative to RP, I just think that RP is the wrong answer to those issues, anf I've had more success with mostly BP ideals
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/18 09:28 PM
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That's how we've approached criminal behavior on a societal level, I think. Rather than depending on your own strength or that of your family to deter crime or seek redress, we've instead created a justice system that seeks to curb and punish crime using the power of the state.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/17 03:54 PM
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29, UMC but raised MC in a poorer country, blue or purple pill depending on the days My fiancee can't cook for shit, and we split the housework in a roughly equal manner. I don't see either of these things changing. One of the most attractive things about her is how focused she gets when she's interested in something. She tends to flit from one hobby to another, but whether it's yoga, pottery, singing, or planning some events she tends to pursue them with Terminator-like focus, and I freaking lo…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/17 10:51 PM
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You're right on both counts, my point was simply that they don't look like the hyper-masculine ideal that gets pushed in pop culture here.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/17 10:45 PM
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You're confusing two different situations. Drunk driving is criminalized because it puts other people in danger. There would be little incentive to criminalize it if the danger was only to yourself, or if you were simply leaving yourself open to harm without risking anyone else's safety. A closer comparison would be like saying that a blind-drunk person basically consents to being given a medical operation or having their bank account drained: Everyone understands that this person was incapable …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/17 10:40 PM
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Do you live in the US?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/17 10:36 PM
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The US still buys heavily into a national identity, but the main difference is that people are now taking a closer look at the definition of that national identity.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/17 10:35 PM
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Different build of athlete though. Other than rugby players, most of the spectator sports in Europe require much smaller and lither builds than sports in the US. Most international soccer players are positively tiny compared to famous US athletes.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/17 10:34 PM
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Most European countries don't have the same of hyper-masculinization that you see in the US though. France, the UK, and Spain for example have much laxer standards for male attractiveness. For a small example, it's much more common for French actors with somewhat average looks to be considered attractive when compared to how the US sees actors here.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/17 10:32 PM
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Do you have any proof to support that assertion, or to prove that co-ed schools hamper students' learning abilities?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/17 10:28 PM
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I'm mostly shocked by the height requirement. I'm 6' even and I've dated some taller women, but it's a shocker how many view height as an absolute requirement. Beyond that, I don't think that the requirements are too high on average. Or, at least, I've found that the women that I'm actually interested in dating tend to have enough self-awareness and maturity to not have ridiculous requirements
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/17 09:42 PM
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We've barely argued in the 2.5 years that we've been together, to the point where I'm wondering if there's something wrong with us. It helps that we don't disagree on much, and when we do we try to listen to each other as much as possible before making up our respective minds.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/17 07:12 PM
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Yeah it tends to be more common among either new-money, or people who are insecure about their status and end up trying too hard to look like the kind of people they want to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/17 07:04 PM
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It ain't limited to women though. I can't tell you how many managers or execs I've run into who can't grasp that assertiveness and arrogance or aggressiveness can be separate
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/17 06:20 PM
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Yeah, UC doesn't always mean snobbish, status-conscious, and profligate.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/17 06:18 PM
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I'm male and I have similar instincts to your sister's. I'm not at that stage of my career yet (although getting there), but the fear of sliding back to where I came from is definitely a big motivator.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/17 06:18 PM
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I almost became one of those, before my ex and I broke up for entirely unrelated reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/17 06:16 PM
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So it's a pretty even split overall
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/17 06:15 PM
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That's true, and I wasn't addressing that particular situation. My comment was directed more to the people for whom a partner's history is a more present problem, such as those who worry that their wife or husband had too much or too little experience before meeting them.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/17 06:18 AM
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If the fear is based on a faulty world view, you're generally better off fixing that world view in the long term, even if it causes short term anguish. Do you really think that someone who is worried about their partner's sexual history will stop worrying about it if it's never brought up?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/17 04:39 AM
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Yeah I was like that back when I was a teenager. If it wasn't for the only 2 friends that I had at the time, I would've ended up as bad as this guy. Life's much better now, almost 15 years later, but it was definitely a rough decade or so back then.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/17 09:23 PM
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In cases where the father wants to keep the fetus but the mother doesn't, the pregnant woman would be able to move the fetus to an artificial womb and disown it, while the father could then keep his child without forcing the woman to carry it to term. That's the theory anyway. Affordability and accessibility will complicate the issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/17 08:14 PM
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I know, I'm familiar with this lovely fellow.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/17 08:11 PM
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That... is heavily debatable.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/17 04:02 PM
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Why do you think it's common sense?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/17 03:58 PM
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Proof?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/17 03:52 PM
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Exactly how bad does your face have to be, considering that the vast majority of people aren't all that good looking by classical standards? Are we talking cleft palates and cyclops syndrome here?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/17 03:46 PM
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do you not despise those weak nerds? No, I don't. Why would I? I know nothing about them except how they look. Out of all of the possible reasons to look down on someone, why would their appearance matter that much, if at all?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/17 03:45 PM
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Yeah, it's very possible that some people trade sexual favors for career advancements, same way as other people play on their connections or give the boss kickbacks in some other way. I don't see how these people affect the MeToo discussion though: These people generally aren't the ones coming forward with accusations, and if they do attempt to log false accusations then they should be treated like any other false rape allegation.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/17 06:57 PM
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I often find it funny how women say it shouldn’t matter or not to ask, but at the same time tend to lie about it anyway. If they’re so proud of their valiant sexual history, why lie? Because of guys like u/1UPZ_ up there, although I think that women would be better off scaring off these guys in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/17 06:48 PM
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I agree with the first part of this statement, but not the second one: Everyone has misconceptions and unrealistic beliefs about sexual history, which is exactly why it's healthier for your current partner to have an idea of your history if they want to know about it. At least this way you have a chance of settling those fears to rest and correcting your misunderstandings, assuming that you trust your partner enough to believe them.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/17 06:37 PM
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I guess there really is someone for everyone
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/17 01:18 AM
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No, I'm genuinely curious to see if you're in any kind of romantic relationship with a woman, or what your stance on such a relationship would be. Your point of view is so completely alien to me that I can't understand what kind of relationship you could have.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/17 12:44 AM
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So, are you MGTOW or an incel? Or gay?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/17 12:39 AM
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So you think that women, the entire gender, are unfit for any kind of relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/17 12:34 AM
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No, actually, I don't share your opinion that all women are hardwired like that. A woman who judges a partner by their wealth, frankly, is compatible with a man who derives his own worth from his wealth. There is no lack of those in tech, finance, or entertainment.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/17 12:20 AM
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Yes, I'm well aware of your opinion of all things feminist
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/17 12:18 AM
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Yes, and that says more about the people who judge feminism by that view than it does about feminism
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/17 10:17 PM
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If knowing that she has a boyfriend is a hard stop for the interaction, then this means that she whole point of the interaction was to seduce her.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/17 09:54 PM
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Still tells her that he values the presence of another man over her own opinion, and that his only reason for interacting with her was to screw her.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/17 07:34 PM
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In that case then she wasn't the right partner for him in the first place, and he's better off without her.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/17 07:31 PM
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Yeah, that baffles me. I do 95% of the cooking because I enjoy it, and I'm a much better cook than she is, while she actually likes cleaning counters and surfaces (which I will never understand). Everything else gets split on a per-need and per-time basis: I'll clean on the weekend when she needs to pull longer hours then, or she'll clean during weekdays if she has more free time while I'm at the office. We never needed a fucking spreadsheet to figure out the household chores.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/17 07:24 PM
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I think that it really depends on relative incomes and lifestyle expectations. If both partners make a similar amount and want a similarly expensive lifestyle, then split it 50/50. If one partner makes much more than the other but they want a similarly expensive lifestyle and the richer partner is fine with contributing the lion's share, then they should split it in whatever way feels fair to both of them. My only issue comes in when two partners have unequal income and the richer partner is fee…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/17 07:10 PM
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If he wants to, sure. It depends on the level of the lifestyle that they want. If he feels like he's being unfairly forced to support a lifestyle that he doesn't want, he should get the hell out of there.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/17 07:03 PM
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I didn't say that they were the same, nor that everyone should do it. If your partner doesn't want to hear it, don't say it. All I'm saying is that sharing this information isn't necessarily a bad thing, and that it depends heavily on your relationship and feelings on the subject.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/17 06:53 PM
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It sounds like an overreaction, and her post certainly could've been worded better, but I think that there are a few valid points (keeping in mind that we only have her side of the story): 1- Asking a woman out within 2 sentences of meeting her is a pretty big risk to take, especially if you have no prior relationship or shared context with her, and if you do it in a context where people don't expect to be hit on. 2- Leading with "Do you have a boyfriend" implies that the absence of a boyfriend …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/17 06:48 PM
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I don't think it's creepy by itself, although it heavily depends on context. Have a conversation with someone at Whole Foods, accurately gauge their interest, and then drop a hint about getting coffee? Sounds pretty good. Come onto a woman within 3 sentences of knowing her at a 7/11 at night? Maybe not so much.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/17 06:40 PM
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Although no part of your description should have any impact on the validity of feminist principles and beliefs.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/17 06:30 PM
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The Safeway in the rich part of SF is literally known as Dateway because it's where yuppies and divorced soccer moms pick each other up. The Safegay in the Castro district is... well, you can imagine.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/17 06:29 PM
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There's a world of difference between telling your partner about your kinks or previous encounters, and giving them an unwanted step-by-step description.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/17 06:26 PM
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Good for you? I found it better to discuss these things with my partner. At the very least it helps us figure out each other's kinks and tastes, and sometimes it gives good context for any hangups we have that might have been induced by previous partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/17 06:25 PM
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I wouldn't, as long as they didn't catch some incurable STD out of it like AIDS. In fact I'd be pretty curious to know why they went to one, if it was for vanilla sex, companionship, or some form of kink, if they have any desire to go to one again, etc. Basically my first reaction would be curiosity.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/17 06:24 PM
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We used a very similar list back when I was teaching self-defense courses to help our attendees recognize red flags in dates and potential partners. I can't remember the source, but this behavior was highly correlated with abusive relationships and domestic assault. One our attendees pretty much described her ex-husband in those exact terms before we even brought up the list.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/17 06:21 PM
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Considering that welfare program like Medicaid or disability are all that keep some people off the street right now, I'd say that ending them will have far worse consequences than encouraging a traditional family unit, or force people to find a partner simply for the added income.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/17 09:59 PM
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In other words, people should be forced to stay together for material security. You're basically putting beta bucks into law.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/17 05:53 PM
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I think that's a positive. This way people can engage in casual relationships if that's what they want, or pursue more serious relationships if they bend that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/17 05:52 PM
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The cock carousel can be best defined by "any woman who has had more sex than me at a given point in her life"
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/17 04:58 PM
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Borderline personality disorder and bipolar disorder are two very different beasts: My fiancee is bipolar, meaning that she can switch from periods of intense energy and activity to periods of deep depression. Medication and counseling are a big help. The extremes are tough to handle sometimes, but 90% of the time she acts completely normal. Borderline personality disorder would be much, much harder to live with
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/17 04:49 PM
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We've all met women who no amount of weight loss could help, and many who should actually gain some weight.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/17 12:35 AM
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Oh yeah.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/17 12:34 AM
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Yeah, I sometimes run into that. I have wide shoulders and hips, and a wide but relatively narrower waist. Any shirt that isn't well-fitted or tapered makes me look fat, or like I'm wearing a circus tent.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/17 04:58 PM
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He still sets up the question in a clumsy way so that the answers each end up looking like strawmen (strawomen?)
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/17 04:47 PM
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Might be related to the fact that the gay male community in general is more sexually permissive than any other, while the lesbian community tends to be more insular.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/17 04:45 PM
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That's mostly because they see it as "ooh, hot" instead of viewing it as a threat because a) they think that their wife sleeping with a woman isn't an indictment on their own abilities, like it would be with another man b) they think that their wives only see it as a bit of fun and wouldn't leave them for a woman. c) they think they'll get a threesome out of it, or at least that they can watch Most men will have a very different reaction to their wives sleeping with women if they figure out that…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/17 04:43 PM
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They place some other part of their identity above their gender. Those women probably identify as evangelical first, Republican or conservative second, white third, and female is probably a few rungs lower on that line. As far as they were concerned most of Moore's shortcomings (racism, homophobia, fundamentalism, complete lack of basic understanding of the US civics system or economy in general) were non-existent, irrelevant, or even positives. They're operating with an entirely different set o…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/17 04:36 PM
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It's less about women and more about familiarity with sports: On average, women are less familiar with strength-building sports and exercises than men, and therefore have less of a reference frame to compare people to. Women who are well-trained, especially in sports that require strength, should be on par with men. Basically you're judging a habitual whisky drinker on their ability to distinguish varietals of wine.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/17 04:09 PM
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https://lifeinthegym.files.wordpress.com/2017/02/img_7599.jpg?w=620 Awww hell naw, that woman's gorgeous
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/17 04:06 PM
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Shoulder-to-waist for men (the "v-taper"). Debatable, barrel chests are a close second as long as they are obviously muscular instead of fat
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/17 04:00 PM
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https://picturearchive.gunauction.com/1215111138/8846069/dscf2181.jpg_thumbnail1.jpg Yeah, that tiny little guy. Wait, you aren't actually Gabi Garcia are you?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/17 03:59 PM
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Yeah, she's dealt mostly with the latter while a research assistant at Stanford, so i think most of her clients (patients?) would be within that group too
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/17 03:58 PM
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No worries, I was just curious :) English isn't my first language so I sometimes get confused by grammar or context
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/17 03:57 PM
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Why do you think I'm complaining about either of these things?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/17 11:50 PM
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You must have one hell of a rack to be able to holster a .38 in there
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/17 11:13 PM
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Not necessarily: I like shitting on crossfit as much as the next person, but good crossfit gyms will turn you into a beast. The problem is that the bad gyms outnumber them by a huge margin.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/17 09:30 PM
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Got engaged two weeks ago, so thank you :)
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/17 09:22 PM
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Clarification: I'm a man, and I wouldn't want to date any woman who would try to assess me that way. I've had enough experience with violence that I do not want to ever engage in it except as a last resort of self-defense.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/17 09:20 PM
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Yeah, that's where I picked it up too. Far from a representative or conclusive study, but I was more curious that overall strength rated higher than leanness (being ripped) or height.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/17 09:19 PM
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Will do, gimme a few minutes
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/17 09:15 PM
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that's usually measured by how willing a man is to hurt other men for uncompelling reasons Frankly I wouldn't want to date anyone who measured ability and protectiveness that way
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/17 09:09 PM
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Yup, can confirm. I hit 6'0 by the time I was 14, but I had pretty low self-esteem for years for many other reasons, to the point where I didn't even realize that I was taller than most of my classmates back then. Some things make it more likely that you'll have self-esteem problems, but it's usually a combination of factors rather than a single source.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/17 05:02 PM
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Yep. I can't remember the source right now, but I vaguely remember some article showing that men who had a solid self-esteem by the onset of puberty were less-likely to have self-esteem problems develop as a result of their height, or lack thereof.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/17 04:47 PM
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Depends: Some people don't care too much, but others find it repelling. Personally I've dated a couple of women like that and been bored out of my mind. I preferred dating women with whom I shared few common interests, but who were at least passionate about their own interests.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/17 04:45 PM
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I can see that, it took me years to understand the difference between blunt and honest.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/17 04:42 PM
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I've met a few, and I didn't tell them because it wasn't worth the trouble for me. I've had that conversation with a few people whom I actually care about: In some cases, it helped them address those flaws. But usually I wouldn't do more than give someone a gentle hint that their behavior is less than agreeable, and leave it at that unless they pursue it. Don't go buying drama.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/17 04:42 PM
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what the actual fuck?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/17 04:38 PM
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whispers tell me who hurt you
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/17 04:38 PM
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Wrong. I can't speak for everyone, but showing emotion, by itself, is value neutral. What matters most is which emotions you display, and how you display them. Frustration, joy, anger, grief, excitement, and others are normal emotions to have (if you're neurotypical, at least), but there are productive or destructive ways of expressing them. Taking out your anger on an innocent partner, or in self-destructive ways, should justly be frowned upon. But if you are with a partner who judges you becau…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/17 04:37 PM
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That's exactly her goal, actually: She's type 1 diabetic, and really wants to help people with similar conditions since most of them have no idea how to take care of themselves, especially if they're poor.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/17 04:33 PM
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High-income men can afford not to care: Most others don't have that luxury. I make enough that I could support the both of us, especially if we moved to a less expensive part of the state or the country, but I really prefer my fiancee to have her own income because it reduces the pressure on me and vastly increases our disposable income. I'm always going to make more than her because I'm in a more lucrative field, but every dollar she earns makes our lives that much easier.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/17 12:53 AM
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Why wouldn't I? My fiancee got a psychology degree from Stanford, but then realized she couldn't handle being a counselor and didn't want to spend 7 years in med school. She worked as a personal trainer for a couple of years while researching her options and saving up, and is now starting a master's in public health so she can become a health educator working with patients and at-risk population. I did something similar: I worked as a computer engineer in financial software for a couple of years…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/17 12:49 AM
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What of it? Tons of republicans outright wanted to assassinate Obama, but there wasn't a single credible allegation of abuse directed at him. The best anyone could do was twist the facts about political events like Benghazi. I find it very rich that anyone could accuse Trump's opponents of "doing anything" while his own base outright says that they want him to violate the law if that's what it takes to get his wishes.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/17 12:44 AM
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Thanks for the info. In that case, I don't have any issues with the current situation
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/17 04:57 PM
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I think that it should be mandatory and court-ordered in cases of disputed paternity. If a woman claims that X is the father, then the courts should require a paternity test (at the taxpayer's expense, if necessary) before ruling on the issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/17 04:08 PM
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Basically he's saying that the Jews are behind a nefarious plot to rob men blind and force them to support unproductive and inferior women.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/17 04:04 PM
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Please, reputation has mattered in politics for most of our history, and people have been disqualified for far less. I'm not saying that allegations are evidence, but apparently some people are willing to be selectively outraged about benign issues while ignoring much larger allegations.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/17 03:37 PM
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What do you consider feminine mannerisms?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/17 08:34 PM
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Crying isn't limited to children: It's a normal response to many heightened emotional states, from distress and sadness to joy. I rarely cry, but I have cried as an adult on occasion either when things were going bad (when my grandfather died, when I was afraid I would lose my job and my visa, etc.) or when they were going really well (when I saw my mother for the first time in 2 years, when my fiancee and I got engaged) and I really don't think that any of them were childish or inappropriate. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/17 08:32 PM
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I doubt that serious allegations are based on "strangers talked to me". It can happen, sure, but the more serious cases (or the ones that are taken seriously) tend to involve more interaction or detail than that.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/17 07:16 PM
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Not really: It's basically a backlash to the apparent lack of accountability for sexual harassment. Whether you believe that Trump harassed women or not, the perception is that his election in spite of those allegations means that harassment doesn't carry any penalties, and therefore people will fight harder to fight back against harassment.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/17 07:13 PM
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I believe that the backlash could happen, but I don't think that we've seen enough evidence of it to determine whether it's likely to happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/17 07:11 PM
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Depends on how the son got there, frankly.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/17 09:33 PM
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Given your post history, I'm beginning to believe that people would actively avoid discussing the subject anywhere around you.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/17 06:53 PM
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Depends on the attraction. I was friends in college with a few women that were very conventionally attractive, but they weren't my type so I didn't struggle with it. There were other cases where I had some unrequited attraction to a female friend, and it did require me to eventually get over or lose those feelings. Whenever I failed at doing that, I wasn't able to keep up the friendship. Note that I'm not talking about simple sexual attraction: Holding my dick in check is easier, but at the time…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/17 06:51 PM
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Yeah, I have. I'm not an overly social person but I did end up with a large friends group during my masters, and over the years I've discovered that I sometimes like striking up conversations with people. I've ended up as friends with multiple women whom I am not attracted towards at all, and I don't treat them any differently than my male friends: We get along, we laugh or engage each other, and that's it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/17 06:48 PM
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Yeah, friends with benefit is a much blurrier zone than that OP posits.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/17 06:46 PM
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He probably calls it the good old days.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/17 06:44 PM
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Yeah, I agree, and the system does need to be fixed in certain ways. I didn't say that it's completely fair. What I am saying is that the system isn't as widely biased or destructive as you think it is, and that you're generalizing too much from the most negative cases that you're aware of.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/17 06:27 PM
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Men's situation hasn't changed that much, and this article kinda shoots holes through the MRA position.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/17 05:48 PM
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Why do you think that? That's like saying that hunger or thirst are a person's truest desire
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/17 05:46 PM
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No, I don't. I believe them when they tell their stories. I just don't think that their stories are the norm for everyone else. I believe cancer survivors when they say that they had kidney cancer, but that doesn't mean that everyone else has cancer.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/17 05:41 PM
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at least some men And you haven't proven that these men's experiences are representative of the gender's experiences
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/17 05:35 PM
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Yes, but it makes me hope that the FBI is at least aware of your existence.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/17 09:15 PM
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What the hell kind of Conan novel do you live in?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/17 07:45 PM
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If that's how you see all of us, then I don't know what to tell you.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/17 06:30 PM
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Sure, he's a study detailing the consequences for women who reported sexual assault in the military: https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/new-study-details-the-risks-of-reporting-sexual-assault-in-the-military/
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/17 06:25 PM
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My 2 cents: Many women say that they're taken rather than uninterested because it's a more guaranteed way to get guys off of them. Anecdote: One of our ex-neighbors tried hitting on my fiancee over text a little while back, without knowing that we were together. He kept at it no matter how many polite responses she tried to give, until she said that we were living together, after which he became apologetic and withdrew. It's only one story, but it's been pretty representative of what my female f…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/17 06:22 PM
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Did you even read the thread? The first exchange was pretty normal, nothing out of place there. But then he goes around and basically calls her a basic bitch jumping from cock to cock. There's nothing wrong with trying again with someone, but for pity's sake try to execute it properly. It would take a pretty unique sense of humor to respond favorable to "typical sorority girl"
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/17 06:19 PM
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Terry Crews, for example, is being actively blacklisted for speaking out against the man who harassed him.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/17 06:15 PM
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or ruin their careers
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/17 06:12 PM
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Just because you find someone attractive in general, doesn't mean that you want to fuck them at all times and regardless of circumstances. I might find my boss or my workers attractive, but if I made the decision to avoid complications at the workplace then I would not want them to force me into a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/17 06:12 PM
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To jump in: Because there is a fine line between finding something desirable, and being forced to participate in it. Much as I like scotch I would not appreciate it if someone forced me to down an entire bottle at gunpoint. Similarly, if I'm happily monogamous I would not appreciate someone trying to ruin that for me even if I do find them attractive. Lastly, I would be insulted and angry if someone tried to coerce me into anything, even if it's something that I might have otherwise wanted.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/17 06:10 PM
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It really depends on the following: 1- Do I have any interest in this person, within that setting, and have I expressed that interest or consented to theirs? If No, then I would feel harassed or uncomfortable. 2- Are there going to be negative repercussions for me if I say no, whether physical, social professional, etc.? If yes, than I would feel pressured or harassed. 3- Have I already told this person that I am not interested in previous interactions? If yes, then I would feel violated. I thin…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/17 06:08 PM
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That's because most men are unattractive, by conventional standards, as are most women. Not to mention that high status tends to be achieved later in life unless you were born wealthy to begin with, and that looks tend to take a hit with age and lifestyle.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/17 05:29 PM
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I don't know why you'd call it "passive dread" though. That's pretty much self-improvement 101, but you're putting a TRP spin on it and reducing it to a way to get pussy.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/17 05:07 PM
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Yes, but there are several caveats to that: 1- They must already find you attractive enough that this comes off as sexy rather than annoying and inconsiderate 2- They must not have any better options in the mean time 3- They must not think that you're using them and tossing them away Basically most TRP tactics work best when the recipient is unaware of their existence and application.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/17 04:37 PM
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Dread game seems like a good self-fulfilling prophecy: It will work on a partner who is insecure enough that they want to keep you at the cost of their dignity, or who already worships the ground that you walk on. In limited doses, it might help keep a partner from taking you for granted, but I think that there are better ways to achieve that. However, most people will get tired of or insulted by being openly threatened or treated as responsible. The article linked here displays that tendency. T…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/17 04:35 PM
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No, but I think it's pretty cowardly to not break up in person unless you have legitimate risks for your safety.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/17 10:31 PM
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I think that it's pretty normal to ask yourself if you made the right choice, and some people are more prone to it than others by nature. I know I am: I still wonder if I even went to the right college, and that was more than a decade ago. The issue isn't whether or not you ask yourself that question: It's whether you can answer it with a "yes" when it does come up.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/17 05:02 PM
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This is probably the first time that Not All Men can be used non-ironically on this sub...
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/17 04:40 PM
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I meant that you have to be competent in the area about which you're being assertive: I could act assertively in a medical emergency, but if I know jack shit about first aid then I'm more likely to identified as a dangerous idiot. But I agree that assertiveness is a skill that must be practiced, like any kind of public speaking. It's just I think that being assertive in an area in which you are inept or ignorant is a bad idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/17 07:28 PM
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Yeah, that's the kind of guy who gives the rest of us a bad name and pisses off most women while they're at it too.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/17 06:35 PM
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I think that's a bot or a troll account. That comment is the only one that it ever posts, and it's doing so on all manner of threads.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/17 06:34 PM
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That's why the red pill's "appeal to the lowest common denominator" advice is bullshit: The lowest common denominator only matters if you're trying to get a ton of hookups that you have little interest in. I'd rather be unattractive to the majority of women and irresistible to the ones whom I want to attract.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/17 06:32 PM
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Don't bother, this is the same guy who thinks that feminism was a nefarious plot by Karl Marx hatched to undermine capitalism by destroying the family unit.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/17 05:58 PM
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However, assertiveness without competence in the relevant area is a bad idea. Some people might get away with it as long as others don't realize that they don't have a clue what they're doing (there's a reason that white boy confidence gets you hired), but that can only last as long as they can maintain the charade.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/17 05:57 PM
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I don't really have a problem with fantasies as long as the person who has them knows the difference between fantasy and reality. I'm a switch, but that doesn't mean that I want someone flogging the hell out of me by surprise on my way to work. Rape fantasies from either gender don't bother me as long as they aren't associated with destructive behavior, like a woman who knowingly puts herself at risk or a man who actually tries to roofie a woman or physically force her without her consent. The f…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/17 05:21 PM
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Given this username, I wonder if we've just found War Machine's reddit account: https://www.rollingstone.com/sports/war-machine-mma-star-sentenced-to-life-for-assault-of-ex-w486057
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/17 06:14 AM
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You do realize that I explained in this very same thread that I'm in favor of a regulated form of capitalism?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/17 04:24 AM
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I'm not a communist, so I don't see what you're so proud of. And I'm well aware that the current system is not purely laissez-faire capitalism (thank goodness for that).
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/17 12:02 AM
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Admittedly my title was overly broad. Homeless people might benefit from capitalism if the gains from capitalistic societies were used to fund a support network that would provide them with shelter, or prevent them from going homeless in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/17 08:47 PM
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You're copping out.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/17 08:42 PM
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Then why should feminists care more about it than you do? What issue can you name where feminists have put the onus on men to drive the conversation and come up with a solution?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/17 08:13 PM
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No, but I think that this situation is best addressed by removing the draft entirely. If you resent being drafted, then you should be the driver of a movement to remove the draft. I think that different groups of people should support one another in fixing their issues, but it's still the primarily impacted group's responsibility to spearhead that movement.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/17 07:37 PM
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You sure you don't want to throw in a few remarks about the Rothschilds in there while you're at it?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/17 07:33 PM
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No, I think that you're using a dumb definition for equality here: Responsibility entails taking on duties for the benefits that you enjoy. If you have a child, you have a responsibility to care for it. That doesn't mean that you're forced to breastfeed other people's kids too. Women have a responsibility to live up to the requirements of the jobs that they choose: If you're a doctor, you have a responsibility to your patients. You don't have a responsibility to do the janitor's job as well as y…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/17 07:32 PM
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Rice and potatoes are also very calorie dense by comparison to most veggies, and most small grocery stores don't even have a decent produce section. And yes, many people have no idea how to build a proper diet, especially since public information on nutrition is absolutely bonkers in the US. I'm an athlete and I still have trouble properly configuring one sometimes. Most of the public still hasn't caught on to new findings that basically flip the food pyramid on its head. If you think that all p…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/17 07:28 PM
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Because men have to is a shitty reason to do something. By that logic women should be campaigning to be able to get prostate cancer, or be at the frontline of researching a cure for it. I don't agree with that. I agree that these issues should be fixed, and I support efforts to do so, but I don't think that feminists, or women in general, have any specific duty to do so: They are no more related to the issue than anyone else, and thus shouldn't be expected to do more than anyone else. It would b…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/17 07:24 PM
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I agree with you on the stupidity of paying for the date. It's either a holdover or a bandaid. I generally don't mind doing it these days because I'm relatively well-off, and I remember friends and strangers who paid for me when I was broke, but I don't think it should be an expectation. I don't understand why you think that women should want to be in the selective service, or push into those areas. If anything men should be pushing to no longer have to sign up for the draft, or for the ability …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/17 07:01 PM
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What makes you say that?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/17 06:50 PM
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True, but that's also a holdover of the old days where women were expected to not have an income independent of their husbands'. If anything feminism should be redressing these situations since it frees women to have an equal level of income and thus removes the justification for this.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/17 06:47 PM
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Not if he signs a prenup, and alimony laws are wonky to begin with: Partners with roughly equal incomes and no major discrepancy in needs shouldn't be getting an alimony or each other's property.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/17 06:41 PM
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neither you or I get to dictate everyone must see it as bad. And I don't try to do so. This is my personal opinion on the matter, and my point was that the majority of society now has greater freedom of choice on the matter, although this might be at the expense of a minority of people who fall through the crack. Besides, these people are still perfectly free to engage in that type of relationship if they find someone who's compatible.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/17 06:27 PM
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You, I like you
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/17 06:22 PM
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I'm curious, what would women get from most men, especially where they have a roughly equal level of income?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/17 06:22 PM
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Care to elaborate on that statement?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/17 06:18 PM
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Yeah there will always be people like that. I don't think that's a big problem: They're free to mooch, if they can find someone who will put up with it. The main difference is that 50% of society is no longer forced to seek out that kind of arrangement in order to survive.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/17 06:18 PM
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I never said that I was a commie, did I? Not really, since it depends on other factors: A factory might choose to leave an area in order to avoid higher wages, but it would be giving up other advantages such as a shorter and simpler supply chain. Furthermore you're eventually going to run out of places to go: Any area that tries to attract companies will need to decide which floor it will impose on its subsidies, otherwise it will end up engaging in a race to the bottom as it provides less and l…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/17 06:16 PM
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So you think that men who aren't Renaissance statues only get sex as a form of prostitution, basically in exchange for certain goods or services?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/17 06:08 PM
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That's a pretty bad misconception: They're only fat because the food that is most affordable or readily available for poor people in the US is calorie-dense but nutrient poor. You can actually find some startling cases of nutritional deficiencies in the poorer parts of the US. They're essentially eating raw corn syrup because that's what most of them can afford and find at the corner store: It'll fatten you up, but is just as likely to kill you eventually as a calorie deficit.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/17 06:08 PM
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Which kinda counters your point of women struggling because they were too dumb or vapid to compete: Many of them had to enter the workforce simple to survive, while still being expected to manage a household and take care of the children.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/17 05:49 PM
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They fell very, very short of the socialist ideal in many other ways though, including freedom of expression and personal liberties. Communism is only supposed to control the means of production, not citizens' daily lives, and Stalin went crazy with that one. Even discounting wages, the ruling party had an insane amount of wealth compared to the rest of the people (regardless of what their official wages were), which is another huge discrepancy between their application and their stated ethos. O…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/17 05:48 PM
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No, actually, it wasn't: It was an authoritarian regime that coopted socialist ideas to prop up its own elites. I don't want to play the No True Scotsman here, but the USSR lived up to its own ideals about as well as North Korea today lives up to its Democratic Republic moniker.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/17 03:51 PM
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The linked article was from the USSR in the 50s. Pretty sure they weren't playing on phones back then.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/17 03:49 PM
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Good points, but you might be overlooking the following: 1- Very true, but that doesn't mean that shorter relationships are any less valid than 60-year marriages. People who are happy together will stay together, but at least now those who aren't can get out. 2- That's true, and I didn't mean that sexual attraction is the only reason to enter or stay in a relationship. Refer to point 1: People who develop those feelings will stay together, but those who don't have a chance to look elsewhere. 3- …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/17 03:48 PM
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True, and hopefully we get there, but I don't think that staying in the old model would've allowed us to get there
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/17 04:56 AM
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Not a situation that we should go back to, honestly.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/17 04:55 AM
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You just might be exaggerating there...
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/17 04:54 AM
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Not really: I have to drawn the line at a certain point in order to avoid writing a thesis, and I chose this point. I agree that liberation waxed and waned, and that people often flaunted it. That doesn't change my point: When it waned, people were more likely to end up with a partner of necessity, whereas where it waxes people have a greater degree of control over their choice of partner. The fact that people can lie or distort history doesn't change much either: You can apply that to any histo…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/17 02:30 AM
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No, not necessarily. You're assuming that a plurality of people want to be freeloading bums. Pregnancy and childbirth are far from pleasant, and I think that most people would avoid them given the chance, especially if they have other plans and goals. You might want to lay off the Atlas Shrugged shtick: Any society is going to have its share of underachieving freeloaders, but there's no real way of getting rid of them without severely curtailing the assistance that more productive groups also de…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/17 12:12 AM
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I talked about it with female friends and partners, for the most part. I realized pretty quickly that my first girlfriend wasn't enjoying herself so we talked about it and started trying out things that she thought she might like, until we figured out her kinks and turn-ons (and clarified mine in the process). I did something similar with my subsequent partners, although it was easier and faster because of the accumulated experience. I sometimes skipped that, especially with random hookups, but …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/17 12:07 AM
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Yes, that's all true, but doing the entire topic justice would require a book rather than a reddit post.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/17 11:59 PM
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No, not necessarily. Even from a purely pragmatic point of view a society is usually better off when it has a solid support system. Even though some people might end up abusing that system, its existence allows the majority of its people to live safer and more secure lives. To take a favorite purple pill example: Insurance-covered contraception and even abortion is a good thing because its cost is minuscule compared to the cost of raising unwanted children.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/17 11:58 PM
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https://jezebel.com/294383/have-you-ever-beat-up-a-boyfriend-cause-uh-we-have Look at the comments again: Many, and it might be most, are either calling out the author or saying that they might have done that shit too but feel horrible about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/17 11:55 PM
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I'm a capitalist too, as long as there are some solid rules in place to prevent collusion or exploitation, and as long as some basic necessities are met. To simplify things, the free market works great for commodities and non-necessary purchases, but tends to fall short when it comes to basic necessities. Yeah, I'm not making the call for them, I just don't think that that option is the right one for society in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/17 11:53 PM
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Oh yeah, I remember that video. I had a very interesting premise and I agree with much of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/17 11:51 PM
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I agree with you on that point.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/17 11:30 PM
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What do you mean by that?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/17 11:30 PM
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Ok, I'll admit that I should have worded the title more specifically, but I still think that more people will be better off than those who will lose out. Even for those who will end up alone, I'm not sure that spending your wife with a spouse who despises you is better than loneliness.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/17 11:29 PM
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I'm confused: Are you saying that looks are only one of many factors when it comes to attraction?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/17 11:26 PM
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Can you link me to it? I couldn't find anything like that other than the one I mentioned. I mean, if you think that this video is aggressive, then you must not see much of what passes for communication on the Internet these days.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/17 11:26 PM
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I think that the majority of men will still get sex and companionship, but that the women that they end up with are more likely to choose them out of attraction rather than because they had to find someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/17 11:24 PM
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I think that one's a misunderstanding: A minority of guys are attractive to the majority of women, but that doesn't mean that the majority of guys won't be attractive to some women. That's like saying that most men find most women unattractive simply because most men find playboy bunnies attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/17 11:22 PM
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How would you describe it? I grew up in the Middle East, where this type of situation is still pretty prevalent.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/17 11:21 PM
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Why do you think that it is a minority of men who are attractive?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/17 11:20 PM
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You're assuming that the majority of men will get nothing at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/17 11:19 PM
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True, but I'd rather err on the side of letting people make mistakes as long as it isn't the result of deception such as financial fraud.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/17 11:18 PM
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I think that most men would benefit from this. Admittedly, I'd rather be single than be with someone who settled for me because they needed a cash cow.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/17 11:17 PM
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I'd like to reverse that one a bit: It's better to be Chad, just like it's better to be rich, but it doesn't mean that everyone else is fucked.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/17 11:16 PM
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Which Jezebel article? The one from 2007 where most of the comments basically sandblasted the author for writing that kind of shit? The 36 questions video sounds pretty dumb at time, but which ones do you think are hateful?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/17 11:15 PM
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Not really. Many of us had our first exposure to sex through porn, especially those who grew up after an internet connection became a household item. It's very possible that many of us never grew past that stage but any man who bothers to listen to their partners should quickly learn the difference between porn and sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/17 11:11 PM
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I don't think that anyone really cares, especially if they don't know that the guy's RP. A one night stand's personal philosophy mean nothing if they never come up during that night and you never see them again. It might be a bit ironic if a women sleeps with an RPer, but it's immaterial. you kind of have to like men to fuck a lot of men. Let me guess, you think that feminists dislike men?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/17 10:55 PM
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No, not necessarily, but I think that the components of sexual desire change. A married couple in their 50s will almost never look as good as when they first met, so the physical lust that they experienced back then is gone. That doesn't mean that sexual desire is gone though: They can, and often do, still desire each other sexually. It's just that the root of that attraction is no longer the purely physical attraction that they had on their first few dates.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/17 10:41 PM
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How do you get that idea? Most people who get called "creeps" are the ones making unwanted advances
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/17 10:37 PM
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Whatever floats your boat, honestly, as long as it isn't an abusive or coercive relationship. My partner and I are pretty equal: We each handle our own shit, and try to get to an agreement on the shared issues. Even if we can't get to a complete agreement, one of us will compromise depending on how strongly they feel about an issue, or whether it affects them more. There isn't really a chain of command there.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/17 06:46 PM
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Praise Kek, we have a true believer
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/17 09:28 PM
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That's how I see it too, honestly. I'm a generally gentle person, but I'm also competently protective. My girlfriend loves the part of me that is capable of strength and violence, but only because I have a fine control over it. I'm guessing that she would see me very differently if I had a habit of letting my temper go and hitting people, especially since open anger and conflict horrify her.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/17 07:33 PM
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And how do you figure out what constitutes moving closer to God? What dispensations are you allowed to account for the fallen world?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/17 07:24 PM
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Why not?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/17 07:11 PM
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Then what is sin?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/17 07:11 PM
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1- You're the one who subscribes to a belief that has objective morality as a central pillar. I'm holding you to your own standards. 2- Yes, actually, I don't resort to such tactics. I don't know whether I'm a good person or not, but at least on that front I'm confident that I'm better than someone who does.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/17 07:08 PM
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So lying, threats, and manipulation don't contradict your Christian morality?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/17 07:04 PM
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Yeah, it's a good point. I wouldn't want the government to provide marriage benefits if we had a solid social support system to begin with. The child tax credit wouldn't be necessary, for example, if we had better schooling and health insurance regardless of income level.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/17 07:00 PM
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Oh well. That's a bigger issue than I care to get into, but I do find it highly ironic that someone who believes in objective morality would advocate for Machiavellian tactics when dealing with anyone, let alone significant others.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/17 06:57 PM
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But your unwillingness to consider utilizing it is due to your weakness. Not it's morality Strange words coming from a self-declared Christian: So you think that threats, lying, and manipulation are valid and moral tactics? Let's put it this way: Any relationship where I would need to use such tactics is not a relationship that I want to be a part of, just as I wouldn't want to be in a relationship where I need to physically defend myself from my partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/17 06:56 PM
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Yeah, I don't necessarily disagree. I mostly see them as having outlived their usefulness. To a certain extent that's my view on monogamous marriage too, but I don't expect polygamous civil unions to become the norm anytime soon.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/17 06:54 PM
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You reject it because it makes you uncomfortable, because you would rather be powerless. Making quite a few assumptions there, bud. I've managed to have two very healthy relationships without once resorting to threats or manipulation. You're wrong to assume that they're necessary, or even beneficial.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/17 06:45 PM
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Neat rhymes, but the video doesn't answer anything. All it says is that you still believe in sin and salvation, but not in the holier than thou version espoused by the church. Commendable, but still nonsensical for someone who doesn't understand the concept of sin. If I were to be cynical it's just a way for you to say that you're better than those Fake Christians.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/17 06:44 PM
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Dread's a perfect example of TRP taking the aforementioned concept to an absurd and destructive end: If I have to threaten my partner with leaving in order to get their affection or attention, then I would rather not have a partner to begin with, and relying on that trick is a pretty good example of emotional manipulation.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/17 06:35 PM
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We can both agree on that. My only issue with you is that you didn't frame it this way: You didn't say that we should address specific issues where men get screwed over. Your central thesis was that we should return to a mostly patriarchal system, because apparently that worked for us as a primitive society. There's a disconnect between the two.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/17 06:33 PM
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Ok, you're going to have to define what you mean by believing in Jesus, because I have no idea what you're talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/17 06:32 PM
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That's what feminism has done from me That's what the patriarchy has done to you. The idea that men can't be abused is a holdover from strict gender roles. You are guilty of enforcing it as well with your insistence on strength being a defining characteristic of manhood, and a pillar of society. If you're going to argue that men should run society because they're physically stronger, then you have little room to complain if people don't believe that men can be abused. Obviously that doesn't excu…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/17 05:55 PM
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You didn't benefit from it, but many people leaving abusive relationships did and that's valid for either gender. I don't know the rate of lying versus actual cases here, but if anything you should make it harder or more dangerous to lie about those cases, not remove the concept entirely.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/17 05:42 PM
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It's true that the majority of the homeless population is male, but the picture's a bit more complex than that. This paper has a good breakdown on it: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8243048 For example, most of the homeless female population was dealing with less severe substance abuse and mental health problems than most homeless men, or qualified for better support because they had children. Basically the problems that led to their homelessness were less severe than what led men to that s…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/17 05:37 PM
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Such as?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/17 05:22 PM
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Following the teachings of a religious figure isn't religion? I have no problem with the whole "love thy neighbor" creed, but it's the entire concept of sin and afterlife that I find ridiculous.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/17 05:22 PM
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There's a good case to allow parental alienation though, especially in cases of domestic abuse. I'm not too familiar with that particular effort, but I've worked with enough abuse victims to know that some people really should be kept the hell away from their ex-wives and their kids. What's the issue with homelessness? Resource allocation?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/17 05:21 PM
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It did in my case though. Getting rid of that Catholic guilt was one of the best things I ever did.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/17 04:52 PM
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We all know that women prefer good-looking, successful men. That "Nice Guys" don't get laid, while "bad boys" do. I don't think that BP denies this, but we do claim that it isn't the be-all-end-all of relationships. Being good looking and successful is always going to be a factor of attraction, but it isn't the only one. Many women might be attracted to the idea of a bad boy, but most also have the sense to move away from the actually bad ones and instead go for the ones who are pretty harmless …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/17 04:51 PM
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Capitalism is restrained and tempered by laws and regulations though, otherwise you end up with the robber baron era. What's this special interest agenda? I don't recall seeing that org chart at our last Feminist Underground meeting.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/17 04:28 PM
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Dude, I agree with you there, and this behavior should be corrected. That doesn't mean that I want to throw out the baby with the bathwater. Again, if you have specific issues like the one you mentioned, I'm with you, but we should address those issues directly rather than trying to reverse what has overall been a pretty good thing. Think of it as a course correction, rather than putting the car in reverse.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/17 04:07 PM
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No, actually, it isn't. Better treatment for women doesn't automatically mean worst treatment for men. There are many issue that lead to male depression or familial poverty that can be solved with the de-stigmatization of non-traditional behavior (male vunerability, for example) or with having a second income.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/17 03:41 PM
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Look, we both agree that neither gender should get abused or taken advantage of. Hell, most feminists would agree with you there as well. All I'm saying is that going back to the patriarchy, or artificially extending it, isn't the right way to ensure that.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/17 04:24 AM
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That's an interesting discussion, and I'd love to see where we end up as we address that disconnect. However, attempting to cling to previous societal models like patriarchy sounds more like an ostrich tactic than a legitimate solution
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/17 10:56 PM
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Still doesn't address my main point: physical strength is less important as a whole to society. You're basically pointing to the one area where men on average exceed women, and claiming that we should build our society on it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/17 10:07 PM
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The fact that it can happen to people is a reason to reexamine policy, but not necessarily to revise it because the system can't be perfect. I'd actually prefer letting some criminals go free than arresting an innocent person by accident. So? Insurance works by covering the people who participate in it. There's no mandate to say that a certain group should only be covered in proportion with their participation rate, and there shouldn't be one. If you're concerned about prostate cancer research b…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/17 09:05 PM
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You really ought to reconsider your views based on the fact that most people call 9-1-1 when there is an emergency. You really ought to reconsider your views based on the fact that first responders are also likely to be women, and that they don't go around with clubs and chainmail. Again, you're putting too much of a premium on physical strength: I didn't say that it was useless, but it is far down the line of qualifications when a forklift can do more work in minutes than you ever could by your…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/17 08:46 PM
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Sorry that it happened to you, but I wouldn't build policy on that anecdote, and that kinda tells me that you're less than objective on the subject. That's how insurance works. By that logic 50% of women are paying for viagra. It sounds like your ex is a horrible person, but again I wouldn't base societal changes on her actions alone. Technically you have every right to withhold medical support that way: Nobody can force me to give them my kidneys, even if I'm the only person who could do so, an…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/17 08:44 PM
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I doubt that. Alimony laws in many cases are gender neutral, for example, and there are many cases of women paying their male spouse if they were the bread winner. The entire system is convoluted, but less biased than you claim. I'd love to see examples of feminists actually campaigning to keep alimony laws biased towards women. Who else is paying for abortions? In most cases it's either covered by the woman's health insurance, paid out of pocket, or covered by contributions to non-profits like …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/17 06:37 PM
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Natural selection doesn't mean that we're still selecting for the exact same pressures: Immunodeficient but intelligent people would've been the first to die in the neolithic, but their social contributions today are much more valuable than those of a dumb brute. I'm saying that patriarchy wasn't necessarily as useful as you say it once was, and even if it was, the reasons that made it useful don't hold today.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/17 06:07 PM
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Family and domestic courts should be more egalitarian, and I agree with you there. Ironically though many of the issues you point out are rooted in patriarchal values: Namely that men should be the bread-winners and that women are better suited at taking care of children. The things you despise about family courts are, themselves, holdovers from patriarchy. As for abortions, I fully believe that a woman's decision to abort is hers alone to make because she's the one carrying the fetus. It's her …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/17 06:05 PM
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All true, but still less relevant than you think. Soldiers are less effective than tanks or planes at many operations, and robotization is quickly reaching the point where remote-operated foot drones could cover for soldiers. And this doesn't detract from my point that soldiers today rely less on physical fitness than a medieval fighter, and that this trend hold throughout history. I'm not saying that physical attributes are obsolete today, but only that our society is far less dependent on them…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/17 05:47 PM
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You're assuming that conditions today are the same ones that originated during the selection process though. To take a simple example: Diabetics and other people with autoimmune diseases would've died very quickly only a short while ago, but nowadays they can live longer and provide great intellectual contributions to society, that would've otherwise been lost. Patriarchy may have once served a purpose (and that's still debatable), but it doesn't mean that it still does.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/17 05:43 PM
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You're much better than people like StAliaHarkonnen or Lookismisreal though
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/17 05:15 PM
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I really don't understand what you mean: How are any of those concepts relevant to the necessity of patriarchy? I'm not challenging you here so much as trying to understand your point.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/17 05:10 PM
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I'm confident, as should you be, that this is a proven concept for civilization building and maintenance. Not necessarily. Slavery and serfdom were pretty useful when muscle power was the major source of labor, but that doesn't mean that we should rely on them going forward, nor does their effectiveness retroactively make them morally right. As to your points about military escorts: That may be true to a certain extent, but even then modern weapons and equipment can make male physical advantages…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/17 05:08 PM
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In other words, men dominated enough land and people in order to make it safe for people to thrive. That's the only way civilizations have risen Just because it worked once, doesn't mean that it's the right way forward. Men's greater size and strength mattered when the most advanced technology available relied on muscle power. Technological advancement makes it much less important, to the point where a drone operator's gender is almost immaterial. Your argument makes as much sense as that of the…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/17 12:51 AM
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The most natural social systems are those least removed from the human condition What does that mean? What is this human condition that you speak of?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/17 12:48 AM
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I'm saying that those positions don't necessarily have to be filled by men, for the following reasons: Automation will make the difference in muscle mass and size between men and women irrelevant when it comes to performing these jobs. We don't need to dedicate every fertile female to a breeding role because we aren't in danger of depopulation, and therefore there's no reason for men to be the only expendable gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/17 10:38 PM
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I think that the point is that these roles might have made sense at one point, but that they're needlessly restrictive today. Furthermore, I'm fine with people leaning towards them out of choice or personal inclination but I bristle at the idea of them being forced on someone. I'm a computer engineer who grew up in a fairly conservative society: The amount of crap that my female classmates had to deal with was astounding, especially to someone who never faced the same issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/17 08:23 PM
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I'm mostly happy with where I am, but I do sometimes wish that I was more intelligent, especially since I live in Silicon Valley. You can't piss in a circle here without hitting a PhD genius. I want someone who is at least as intelligent as I am, and I am comfortable dating smarter women.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/17 08:05 PM
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Some roles are going to be biologically enforced, such as giving birth, and some will make more sense if a society is facing a scarcity of resources or difficulty repopulating. These roles tend to matter much less when you move away from scarcity-imposed circumstances though: Most gender-based differences will matter less in a mostly peaceful society that is above bare subsistence level, especially as it gets more technologically advanced. TL;DR: Bronze-age societies need expendable men and chil…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/17 07:08 PM
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Men, have you ever been told you were ‘marriage material’ but not ‘dating material? Yup, for years. I had no dating life to speak of before I was 20, and until then I'd often hear from female friends and family that I was a nice guy who'd make a great husband once the women around me were mature enough to realize what I was worth. It never convinced me, and in fact it pretty much destroyed my self-confidence because I assumed even back then that I was too unattractive to get anyone interested in…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/17 06:21 PM
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I'm pretty blue and I agree with most of what you wrote. It's the kind of advice that I've followed pretty much since I had a love life, and it's worked out pretty well for me. I would like to point out that one of your sentences is going to be easily misunderstood, and that's the claim that women enjoy sex as much as men do. I do think that women can enjoy sex as much if not more than we do, but it's harder to get there. Most men, at least according to RPers, will enjoy almost any sex that they…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/17 06:09 PM
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Then again the more vocal MRAs haven't really done anything to address male mental health. Ironically enough it's groups like the GMP, who are derided as cucks by MRAs, who actually focus on helping men deal with trauma and depression.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/17 05:55 PM
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/r/TrollXChromosomes You do realize that this is a parody, right? There was a thread on r/TwoXChromosomes just this morning where a woman was asking for advice on how to deal with another woman who was making false allegations about a coworker assaulting her, and the majority of the posts were about protecting the man while making sure that the liar wouldn't get to affect him in any way.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/17 05:54 PM
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Yeah but it isn't always about your interests. If people are in trouble, and you're in a good position to help, I think that it's preferable to help, especially if there are few downsides to you. That can mean simply calling 911 in the US, or physically intervening if you can and it's necessary. I've stopped to help accident victims a few times, at least until the EMTs arrive: There's nothing in it for me, but I'm glad I did it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/17 10:28 PM
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you'll still feel instinctive levels of disrespect for tearful men. Speak for yourself, bud. For as far as I can remember the sight of a man crying was a sign that something was very, very wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/17 07:40 PM
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The fact that Weinstein was allowed to go on for so long, and that Turner basically got only a slap on the wrist, are evidence of rape culture. The outcry against these two is evidence that we're finally starting to combat rape culture and signaling that this kind of behavior will not be tolerated like it once was.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/17 07:33 PM
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It's basically when everyone who sees a crime occur or a victim in need of help assumes that someone else will deal with it, and thus stay out of the situation entirely. It's pretty common for domestic abuse or crimes to proceed unimpeded because everyone who could intervene thinks "I can't do anything" or "Someone else will handle it", and thus the authorities don't even get called until it's far too late for the victim. Note that I'm not encouraging Rambo-style interventions here, but only say…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/17 07:30 PM
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Men love much more unconditionally No we don't, nor should we glorify that anyway. A healthy relationship should be beneficial to both parties. I genuinely loath the idea of romantic martyrdom. We don’t demand that our mates have achieved a certain level of success, or a certain level of social clout for LTRs Yeah we do. Most men marry women of a similar income level, status, or social background. No matter how far back you go in history men overwhelmingly married women of a similar background t…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/17 07:27 PM
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I'm a guy, and I've had a pretty successful dating life, but I absolutely tanked on Tinder. That app basically appeals to the lowest common denominator of the dating pool.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/17 07:22 PM
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I've never seen or heard of a guy loving 'unconditionally' while I've seen women bawl their eyes out over a long term relationship suddenly gone cold for seemingly no reason. Unconditional love is a horrible idea, imho. I don't expect anyone to love me unconditionally because we're both human beings equally capable of being flawed, and equally deserving of pursuing our own happiness. If my partner didn't gain something from being with me, at the very least emotional fulfillment, then I would rig…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/17 07:21 PM
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No, bystanders should not do anything to get between two people in a physical altercation. Especially, no man should ever intervene in a physical altercation between a man and a woman. You call 911 and you leave, and you do NOTHING else. Debatable. In most cases I would agree with you, and calling the authorities is usually the best course of action, but the bystander effect is also a pretty real problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/17 07:15 PM
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I don't think that there should be any such expectation beyond the basic question of "who is willing to do X" and "who is better able to do X" in any specific situation. I tend to hold doors open for people, but I would also expect people regardless of gender to hold them open for me if I'm encumbered, or on crutches. I will almost always be the one to protect others, but that's because I'm probably better suited for it. If I happened to get mugged while hanging out with Ronda Rousey however, I'…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/17 07:14 PM
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Speaking strictly from personal experience, my late twenties are much better than my early twenties, and my early twenties were much better than my teenage years and the majority of my childhood.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/17 07:10 PM
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Accomplishment doesn't always mean socioeconomic status, or raw income. I made a choice to stay the hell away from banking or VC after my masters because the additional income wouldn't have been worth the lifestyle or almost-guaranteed alcoholism.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/17 07:00 PM
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Depends on where you are. Pharmacy programs are undergraduate studies in many countries, and STEM workers don't get masters degrees unless they're applying for fields that require highly specialized knowledge. An engineer or programmer can often be better served by simply accruing experience or getting certifications than by pursuing a masters. I have a BE in computer engineering, and I only went for my business master's because I wanted to transition to product management (and immigrate, but th…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/17 06:58 PM
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To be fair a college degree in most fields today is like having a high school degree in the 50s: It qualifies you for most basic jobs, but nothing too prestigious by itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/17 06:54 PM
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Men tend to look for spouses of a roughly similar background or status though. You'll rarely see a wealthy VC marry his maid, unless he's keeping her as a trophy. Even in cases where a male PhD marries someone who is much less educated, they tend to share some large similarities such as a shared socio-economic status or a similar background. It's a bit different with women: In more progressive societies men aren't considered the sole breadwinner, so there's less expectation for educated women to…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/17 06:52 PM
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Those definitions crack me up...
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/17 03:36 PM
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People are saying that lifting is red pill That one always makes me cringe.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/17 03:33 PM
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This has to be to worst caricature I've ever seen on the subject, and I've actually read quite a bit of Roosh's shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/17 03:31 PM
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Possibly true, but that's different from saying that women are only attracted to the top 20% of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/17 06:52 PM
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Nah, I think it's more that they aren't supposed to reach out but are willing to break that rule if the guy is hot enough. If they weren't attracted at all, they wouldn't even answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/17 05:36 PM
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Yeah, I did, and I would certainly rank her more than 5. She does look quite a bit like my girlfriend. Sorry if my last statement wasn't as clear as it could have been. What I meant is that I wouldn't try to set a hard standard for attractiveness. I've dated across that spectrum, and often been more attracted to women who were less conventionally attractive because they had something else about them. Ultimately, what matters most is why you find someone attractive or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/17 05:28 PM
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What makes you think that men have an objective standard of judging women that they adhere to regardless of their momentary feelings towards that person? Attraction is inherently and deeply subjective. Everyone's love is more likely to be conditional and volatile, and men are just as likely to change their feelings towards women as women are towards men.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/17 05:18 PM
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whereas women stick to the top guys and only make a few exceptions That's more adequately explained by the social convention that women aren't supposed to reach out. I'm certainly not an 8 or 9, and I never got unsolicited messages on dating apps, but the response rate was pretty good once I bothered to say something interesting.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/17 05:12 PM
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She's pretty cute, honestly. I can't speak for everyone, but when I say "lower you standards" I don't mean that to say "you should only look for people who modeled for gargoyles in the Middle Ages". There seems to be a lot of posts on r/incels, for example, claiming that 99% of women are defiled forever or that any woman who's had any sexual experience is no good for you. That sounds like a ridiculous standard for attraction. There are also people who legitimately obsess about others that they w…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/17 05:10 PM
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Basically calling the cops on you by logging a false complaint about domestic violence or drug trade.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/17 05:05 PM
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You can believe that "looks aren't important" but still think that someone is attractive Amen. I couldn't care less about cars usually, but I would stop and look if a great looking sports model roared by.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/17 04:56 PM
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Exactly. The delineation for these categories is going to depend so heavily upon each person's circumstances that it might as well be subjective.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/17 07:59 PM
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Where do you draw the line at how much positive feedback is supposed to overcome those insecurities? And how do you determine what is objectively unreasonable?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/17 04:52 PM
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I suppose then you could separate insecurities into "rational" and "irrational" ones. True, and I'm curious where that line would be drawn. That sounds like an entire sub-science of psychology, which is too far from my field for me to speculate on.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/17 03:58 PM
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I get what you mean, but careful about throwing words like mental illness around though, those have pretty specific meanings. If something is a broadly applicable norm then by definition it isn't non-neurotypical. Yeah, I can see why you'd think that, but insecurities and doubts are one of those things that are first and foremost subjective. To use a restricted example, look at bodybuilders with muscle dysmorphia. I fall into that one: I often train with pro athletes on a regular basis. I'm very…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/17 03:48 PM
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is it the case that women who are insecure are so because they're "mentally ill" What do you mean by mentally ill, in this case? I think that men can have just as many insecurities, we're just deeply conditioned to hide or ignore them. There's growing pressure on men to conform to certain physical standards, and there have always been standards of "manliness", which might have varied by time and culture, but that I'm sure many men struggled to live up to.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/17 03:11 PM
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It depends. She'd believe the compliments when she was in a high mood, and dismiss or distrust them when she wasn't. Quite often you aren't even receptive of compliments in order for them to affect you. The intelligence thing is pretty common: By most standards I'm an intelligent person, and I do a complex job that I've earned many times over, but I still suffer from impostor syndrome. It's similar for her. Idk man it seems like women in particular overly complicate their own problems, and manuf…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/17 03:04 PM
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Yes, but not enough. My girlfriend was always very fit, as a college athlete. Conversely she became very insecure about her weight because she associated his fitness with her hotness, so any weight gain would feel disproportionate to her. Similarly, she'd feel insecure about her intelligence because she thinks that she had an easier academic ride because of her NCAA records. Humans and their self-esteem are complicated, and compliments don't always work
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/17 03:49 AM
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A person's self-esteem isn't defined solely by the view of the people who want to sleep with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/17 03:48 PM
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I wonder how many people would actually bother to sue or even complain about that, as opposed to simply shrugging and going about their own lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/17 01:36 AM
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All the gym has to do is have a policy of no unsolicited advice with it doing it too much get your gym membership revoked. I prefer that solution too, but many gym owners are unwilling to deal with the personal conflict it entails (i.e. standing up to paying customers) while a women's only area or hour is easier to pull off
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/17 02:37 PM
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We live in an apartment, so indoors is pretty much a given. And yes, it does, and she appreciates the fact that I'm willing and able to intervene if we are in physical danger. It's simple division of labor as far as we're concerned.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/17 02:34 PM
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Hm, i don't think that it's that clear cut. You're essentially saying that these people exist through no fault of their own, but only because external circumstances molded them into irresponsibility or bitterness and neediness.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/17 10:47 PM
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Why do you think that this would prevent them from living up to the worst qualities that make a fuckboy or a Nice Guy?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/17 10:37 PM
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What makes you say that?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/17 08:18 PM
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You think that those won't exist anyway? Fuckboys will probably make cheating husbands and Nice Guys(TM) will make needy and emotionally manipulative ones. The most probable result would be to simply make everyone more miserable. People have fucked outside of relationships or marriage since before we even had the concept of relationships or marriage. At most, it's harder to do in a society that criminalizes promiscuity, but it's still possible there.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/17 08:02 PM
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You're asking why Western women can't avoid the cock carousel. I'm asking you why you think they should do that in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/17 07:24 PM
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I think that the question is more about it being a bad thing in general, or if there's a good reason for these areas to exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/17 06:04 PM
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It's one of these things that look bad on principle, but make perfect sense in context given that some gyms can be positively toxic. We have women's only classes at my MMA gym to give them some sparring time among themselves, especially since many of them kept getting injured by larger and ego-challenged male fighters. The gym where my girlfriend used to work had to implement a policy to keep gym-goers from giving unsolicited advice to others because too many of the guys there kept badgering the…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/17 06:03 PM
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Who said that's a good thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/17 05:58 PM
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Anyone who does that is an idiot or is fundamentally misunderstanding the issue. Unfortunately idiocy or intellectual laziness knows no political ideology
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/17 12:30 AM
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I've heard that argument too, but that might be a representation bias. At least in the US the bulk of the opposition to trans people is coming from traditionalists, especially when it comes to public policy
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/17 12:29 AM
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That's a gross misrepresentation. I don't doubt that some people are too free with the label, but I've also seen enough anti-trans bigotry to know that the label is richly deserved in many cases.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/17 12:28 AM
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I didn't say that the process was infallible, only that it had high standards. There will always be a certain group of people who regret their decisions years down the line, but ultimately you can only make that decision based on the information available at the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/17 12:27 AM
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TERF I will never understand those people.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/17 10:51 PM
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I agree with you there, and I think that the trans-activist point needs to be made clearer: A child's interests should not be taken as a hard indicator of their gender identity, but parents should be open to the possibility that the child might identify with a gender other than the one they were assigned at birth. There's a balance to be struck on that issue. From my personal perspective, however, trans activists are much closer to that balance than the people who deny that gender identity is a …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/17 10:50 PM
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Yes on both counts. I'm a reserved person by nature and I find it hard to unwind when I'm uncomfortable, but I'm much more genial and outgoing when surrounded by people I like in a situation that I enjoy. To me, high quality friends are people who improve my life by being in it. It's people whose company I enjoy, whom I can learn from and rely on when I'm in need. Gatherings or events that I enjoy and where I am likely to meet like-minded people. I wouldn't classify most clubbing scenes as high …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/17 09:49 PM
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This is why you keep a hammer on your night stand.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/17 09:38 PM
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Yep those are all domestic tasks, and frankly the person who is either better suited or has more time to do them should generally do so. Dealing with security issues. She hears a noise in the middle of the night? Guess who must investigate. I will give you a clue: not her or the kids :P. I'm with you on that one, but the girlfriend is also about sixty pounds lighter than me and has never thrown a punch. I wish that my dog would show as much sense though, considering that the feisty little bastar…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/17 09:37 PM
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Yeah, I am although the task distribution will vary over time. I cook and do the dishes almost 100% of the time, and my girlfriend does the counters and surfaces. Weirdly enough, each of us thinks that their respective task is fun, especially if we're listening to books or podcasts. We each do our own laundry and folding and we split the larger tasks like bathroom cleaning or vacuuming depending on who's home. Do you think women who expect a man to contribute to the housework when both partners …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/17 09:35 PM
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There is definitely a point of diminishing returns when it come to testosterone levels. What did you mean by that? The physical gains or the emotional changes?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/17 09:29 PM
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It doesn't exist the way most people think about it It doesn't turn you into the Hulk, as per the popular perception, but it does have a marked effect on temper and impulse control.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/17 09:29 PM
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I don't think that you're getting the feminist argument right (although I'll admit that we have our fair share of idiots who will mangle it): The idea isn't to force that child into the role of a trans girl, but to leave the door open for them to be something other than the gender that they were assigned at birth. I do have to point out that feminism and trans-activism are not synonymous: Even though there can be a lot of overlap between the two, you can still find people who belong to one group…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/17 09:21 PM
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That's pretty much the comically oversimplified view of the situation. Nobody is allowed to "pump them self full of hormones" without having undergone extensive counseling. Gender reassignment therapy, let alone surgery, are major undertakings and any physician who approves that treatment to anyone who could not prove that they were properly evaluated should have their medical licenses revoked.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/17 09:10 PM
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Someone can get pregnant involuntarily, but they have a choice in how to react to this pregnancy: Keep the kid, or abort. The issue isn't about whether a man gets a woman pregnant against her will: It's about how she can choose to react to it. Personally I think that abortion isn't morally wrong, and I'm glad that the laws of my country agree with me. Furthermore, prohibiting someone from getting an abortion has a huge potential for abusive: Toxic or abusive partners often use children to force …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/17 06:57 PM
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Unless there's a way to transfer the fetus to a willing surrogate or an artificial womb (which doesn't exist yet), then you shouldn't be able to dictate another person's use of their body. That argument was actually covered in Roe vs. Wade (I can't speak to other countries right now), and the court ruled that a woman's bodily autonomy trumped parental rights. Basically if she chooses to abort the father cannot legally prevent her from doing so because he would be overriding her choices regarding…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/17 06:40 PM
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I agree with many of their concerns, but heavily disagree with their solutions or conclusions. In no particular order: The Draft: I don't think that men should be drafted in the military, because nobody should be subject to the draft. A war that is too unpopular to fight with a voluntary army (especially today) should almost never be fought. Child Support and Divorce: I agree that men are often shafted on the subject, but I disagree with their conclusion that divorce should be abolished. It woul…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/17 06:29 PM
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Yes and no. In principle, a man should be allowed to cut financial ties if he also gives up all parental rights. In practice, and especially in countries with weak support systems, a child has a better chance at life when supported economically by two parents.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/17 06:21 PM
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The man isn't going to bear the child, and has a good chance to skip out on all responsibilities depending on how the courts rule on child support, or if he skips town. If you want to redress the issue, make it easier for men to cut ties with unwanted families and strengthen the social support system so that the kids don't end up paying the price. Giving anyone arbitrary control over someone else's body is a horrible idea, and one that rightly belongs in the dustbin of history.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/17 06:19 PM
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I tend to apply the same definition of value to someone regardless of their gender, based on the qualities that I find admirable: Competence, compassion, discipline, toughness, and empathy. I'll include charisma at times, although I don't hink it's a requirement. I'm male and blue/purplish. I just think that those qualities define the people whom I have valued, admired, or enjoyed in my life: Competence in your chosen fields is always a good thing because it denotes both intellect and the willin…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/17 06:37 PM
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I don't think that they suffer from explicit oppression in most cases, but that they are dealing with many implicit biases that work against them. These biases are often similar to those that affect non-white people in the US, such as having to justify their ability to work in certain professions as well as being made to represent their entire group. I would like to see those biases and expectations handled, whether they are based on gender or ethnicity. Small example: I'm a male computer engine…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/17 06:32 PM
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Oh I know that mine haven't been happy in years, and they're going on their 30th. The blame's pretty much equal though: My father has a ton of issues that he will never own up to, and my mom's got too weak of a personality to do much beyond complain about it and have the occasional screaming fit.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/17 05:52 PM
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Mostly because brute strength and violence often sells better. Movies like Atomic Blonde and Wonderwoman generally have a larger audience: Not necessarily the movie itself, but the action genre is one of the highest grossing. There is a slew of very good authors and screenwriters whose female heroes don't rely on strength or violence but become highly competent characters in their own right. I think you're mostly looking at a biased selection because Wonder Woman is simply advertised more heavil…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/17 05:48 PM
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Part of it is that many women simple have less opportunity to commit some of those crimes: Mothers might be just as able to abuse their children as fathers, but generally speaking women would have a harder time committing assault and battery, muggings, breaking and entering, and even sexual assault unless they targeted other, smaller women. Jobs where women are more prevalent such as nursing and home care also tend to be fairly closely monitored, so a nurse abusing a retirement home patient woul…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/17 05:34 PM
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The Fed needs to do something about these runaway goat rates.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/17 06:05 PM
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Yup
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/17 05:57 PM
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Incels tells what women REALLY think about us ugly dudes No, just no. If you're taking dating advice from the likes or StAliaHarkonnen or imalreadydead, you're setting yourself up for a very fucked up mental state. Those people have weaponized resentment and you really won't get anything from them other than terminal depression. Seriously, get the fuck out of there and talk to people who are actually mentally competent.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/17 05:08 AM
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Not a coincidence that BBC porn seems to be much more popular with men than with women
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/17 05:04 AM
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Please, are you accounting for inflation in that one?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/17 05:03 AM
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The US can certainly take its obsession with individuality way too far, but on the whole I don't think that it's necessarily a bad thing. It seems to me that there's more of a balance to be had between deeply individualistic cultures like the US, and cultures that encourage or practically force individuals to repress personal dissatisfactions or problems in the name of preserving group cohesion. I would like to point out that the sub-cultures in the US that are the least likely to divorce also o…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/17 05:01 AM
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Ten bucks says that this commenter is a regular at r/incels. I can't see his handle since the comment got deleted
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/17 04:54 AM
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So do you think that individual people cannot demonstrate strength and pride under an oppressive system?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/17 04:52 AM
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Definitely not handbags or shoes (wouldn't know how to pick them anyway). We split our expenses pretty much evenly, and our gifts to each other tend to be pretty much equal in value.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/17 04:03 PM
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I don't know about you, bud, but I don't pay my girlfriend to stay with me.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/17 09:19 PM
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Does anyone see sex with someone you don't love like masturbating with another's body? It's like it lacks 'soul' or true 'passion' or 'heart'. No, not really. I've had casual partners and committed partners, and while I prefer the latter I don't think that the casual partners were somehow soulless. It was meaningless and sometimes not that good with some of them, but that had more to do with them as individuals than it did with the lack of commitment. I've also had amazingly fulfilling sex with …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/17 08:15 PM
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I'm not sure that this distinction actually exists though: A sugar baby can give you the impression of being the boss, but there's very little stopping her from jumping ship if she's managed her revenue and connections well.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/17 08:12 PM
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I don't think it counts as an affair if he's doing it with his wife's blessing
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/17 08:07 PM
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Don't I? Then please enlighten me
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/17 08:05 PM
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Ain't that the truth
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/17 08:04 PM
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I've always preferred appearance to youth, honestly, because appearance can be maintained and improved by youth cannot. You can be 30 or 45 and look very fit and smooth-skinned, and you can certainly be 21 and look fat and pimply. Lord knows teenagers where I grew up easily to skew towards the latter.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/17 08:03 PM
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Yup, and that's pretty much across genders.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/17 07:59 PM
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Doesn't count as a deep throat if he's too small to make it past the jaw
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/17 07:57 PM
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I've been with both, and they were both fun but in different ways. More experienced women had a good idea of what they liked and of how to perform what I enjoyed, so the sex was usually pretty fun and direct. I would definitely prefer them for one night stands or casual dating. Less experienced women were fun to teach and discover with: It was more tender, I think, because I would remind myself to take it slower and more gently so that they would discover what they enjoyed. It's the kind of sex …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/17 07:55 PM
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Good for you. I'm glad that it worked out that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/17 09:22 PM
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Yes, feminists see toxic femininity as the women doing bad things in response to the patriarchy; ergo, if the patriarchy was gone, women wouldn't be forced to do bad things That's also pretty much the definition of toxic masculinity: If society didn't encourage aggressiveness and dominance, men would resort to these traits much less often.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/17 08:24 PM
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Nah, I didn't blame you for taking words out of context. I'm simply realizing that you seem to define the word differently to how the rest of us do, and I don't care enough to try and change your mind on the subject. Call it toxic, or harmful, or quorfy masculinity for all I care: the concept's the same. https://i.imgur.com/GXLjzop.jpg There is such a thing as toxic femininity, you know. I've discussed it on this very sub and given multiple examples of it. It gets less press than toxic masculini…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/17 06:40 PM
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Only to a certain extent, since we're not training SEALs, and not in a way that would lead to long-term injury. A large part of pain tolerance training is getting people to realize what they can safely endure without lasting harm, and what pain is automatic danger signal. It's the difference between fighting through a deep bruise versus resisting a joint lock that will end with a dislocated shoulder.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/17 04:46 PM
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Yes, and that's only in the context of the military, which makes a tiny percentage of the population.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/17 03:59 PM
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Ah, my bad. But you've gone from claiming that sex is the only measure of success, to now claiming that it's a physical imperative without which you would die?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/17 03:25 PM
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I do that on a regular basis, actually. I compete a few times a year, and I pretty much have to cut out alcohol every time.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/17 03:21 PM
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It's possible, although a big part of my training was geared at self defense. I used to help run self-defense seminars back in Beirut as well. I'm not saying this to brag, but I've had a pretty balanced approach to the subject, and probably a more familiar one than most people whose livelihood doesn't put them in constant physical danger.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/17 03:20 PM
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More common than you think in dangerous neighborhoods, unfortunately. The physical risks are much smaller in safe areas, but you're still going to incur needless social censure. I'm actually in favor of aggressiveness or protectiveness, but only when applied judiciously.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/17 03:13 PM
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It is when you aren't That right there explains the mentality of incels and a good portion of terpers.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/17 02:47 PM
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Yeah, it's a funny and interesting one, but not really relevant here. Oh there's always a chance that the other person can kill or seriously injure you before anyone can intervene (I've had my share of broken bones), but there are rules in place. What's your point though? I have had to actually defend myself a couple of times against an assailant outside of the gym, and I'm well aware of the differences between those two situations, but I'm not sure what you're aiming at.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/17 02:46 PM
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That's true, and I don't deny it. I'm simply countering the previous assertion that bullying also benefits its victims
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/17 02:44 PM
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Good for you, I guess?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/17 02:14 AM
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Alright, that's your perception of the word, but it really isn't the context in which most of us use it. I didn't say it was. I'm simply answering your assertion that bullying is a good thing. You seem to have a romanticized notion of it. Yeah, I didn't say we should go to the other extreme. I believe there has to be a balance between the two. On average I would prefer that balance to skew a bit towards gentleness, and only dip into harshness when necessary. I never advocated for a purely positi…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/17 02:13 AM
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Why do you object to calling something toxic if it's harmful? The "toxic" part of "toxic masculinity" is there specifically to differentiate it from good masculinity, so that we don't taint masculinity as a whole. Oh I fought back, but there isn't much you can do when you're 10, weigh very little, and get jumped by 5 or more people. I eventually hit a growth spurt and learned to brawl, but I would've just as much not had that experience, thank you very much. I would've gladly exchanged learning …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/17 11:49 PM
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It's nothing about toxic masculinity. Those imbalances that you keep referring to are exactly what most of us mean when we say "toxic masculinity". You're just referring to it by another name. Bullying works quite well often enough, but for some when they're too weak already, that's when more bullying is bad. No. Just... no. I've worked with enough children and adults who were bullied to know that it's a horrible idea, and that squares with my own experience as well. I didn't gain a single thing…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/17 11:09 PM
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I didn't say that it wasn't part of it, but it looks like an overly large generalization.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/17 11:04 PM
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I'm tired, sick, and stressed quite often because of my job and my training, and my girlfriend is often in the same situation. Guilting each other about feeling down wouldn't help either of us though: We've figured out how to create breaks where we both get home from work before we're dead tired, or relax each other through massages, or just go out for a little dinner date so we can have time to unwind after a long day. It's much easier to get turned on after we've taken the time to let ourselve…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/17 10:46 PM
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Communication helps you understand what those inhibitions might be and how best to avoid them, as well as figure out what the excites your partner and how to best create those beneficial triggers. To take a simplified example: Your wife can't get turned on when she's distracted by the kids making noise in the next room, but she gets turned on when she feels physically relaxed. You wouldn't know that unless you either noticed the correlation yourself, or talked it out with her. In that case commu…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/17 10:44 PM
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Either option is preferable to wasting his time in a shitty, sexless relationship. Can't help but think that there are other ways to address the issue, up to and including outright telling your partner that you are unhappy and will leave unless something gets fixed.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/17 10:40 PM
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You can only threaten people for so long before they get tired of your shit, honestly. Anyone who is being subjected to Dread Game would have to be heavily dependent on their partner in order for it to work for any length of time: If you aren't financially or emotionally dependent on your partner, then you will probably realize very quickly that they actually do see you as disposable.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/17 10:39 PM
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Yes, when the fundamental difference isn't a huge discrepancy in attraction or sex drives. Communication doesn't mean " nag your wife for sex until she lays back and spreads her legs". It means "Talk to each other about your attitudes and appetites for sex, and try to come to a solution that you're both happy with". This can mean anything from "I'll come home from work earlier so we can spend time together" to "Stop biting the fucking clit". I have a very high libido, and I've been in relationsh…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/17 10:28 PM
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There are quite a few misconceptions behind your question, so I'm going to address those instead: Feminism doesn't pretend that women lack the sinful nature of men. On the contrary, its goal is to assert that women are not inferior to men, as most generations before us had been taught to believe. Being white/male/straight/rich doesn't make you a bad person. It simply means that you might not have experienced some of the same negative experiences that someone of a different gender, ethnicity, ori…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/17 10:22 PM
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This would include the polygamous nature of male sexuality as well as the predatory and violent aspects of it Why the hell do you think that this is the definition of all male sexuality?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/17 10:12 PM
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The majority of women that I've dated were more attracted to me once I opened up, not less. That being said I usually wouldn't be that outspoken unless I'd gotten to know them for a little while and began to trust them, but that's how I treat anyone regardless of gender. The few times where openness led to an end of the relationships had more to do with irreconcilable differences: Once I shared that I didn't want to always be a dom in bed, for example, or that I didn't want children or to get ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/17 10:12 PM
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Getting laid isn't the only measure of success. Some men will attract many women by being shredded party animals, but they could very well end up jeopardizing other personal relationships, their careers, or their health in that pursuit. Many male stereotypes have negative consequences. Aggressiveness and protectiveness can easily get you killed when you needlessly bite off more than you can chew out of a misguided sense of pride or bravado. Machismo has actually been proven to harm men in many i…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/17 10:08 PM
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I want them to find reasons to get turned off so that I can prove they didn't love me. That's not how it works. Your partner will get turned off by some things, or they might not share all your kinks and fantasies. And that's OK, because you very probably won't share all of theirs, and won't be turned on by them 24/7.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/17 10:03 PM
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Well if you really loved me, you'd let me sleep with other women That one sentence basically explains the majority of failed polyamorous relationships that I've seen.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/17 10:01 PM
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I don't understand your point. What do you even mean with "women don't like men's sexuality"? Are you saying that women have to enjoy every single kink and fantasy that their partner has, otherwise their love is a lie?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/17 09:59 PM
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Yeah, but I'm pretty sure that that amount is higher than 100k. Six figures can be downright normal compared to most people's aspirations.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/17 09:56 PM
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You could be a successful teacher and earn jack shit. You could be successful in those fitness numbers you were trying to hit. Harder to quantify those from a casual glance at a profile. Income's a lazier and easier way.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/17 09:55 PM
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Why do you think that bloopers would have a problem with that correlation? I don' think that we've claimed that money doesn't matter, but that it isn't the only criterion. Besides, this covers messages, but we have no idea if these messages led anywhere, or if the reported income was enough to overcome lack of attractiveness in other ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/17 09:54 PM
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income only mattered up to a point And depending on where you live, that point is way north of 100K. Six figure salaries aren't really where marginal returns on happiness start occurring, especially since it isn't a very impressive number if you live in expensive locales. Furthermore, it's an easy way to quantify success: It's pretty hard to tell from someone's profile if they're good at what they do, and those measures tend to be pretty variable by person. On the other hand, income's a pretty e…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/17 09:52 PM
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So you're saying that the same patriarchal norms that forced women to depend on a husband for non-sexual utility have also taught men to regard women as sex dispensers who repay material security with blowjobs?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/17 08:09 PM
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I'm a guy, actually, and I'm only going off what I've heard from many men whom I know, across different generations. Granted I grew up in a more conservative society than where I live now so that contrast is pretty stark for me, and I am not saying that this applies to all men because of a biological imperative, but only that it was the norm for a long time and still is the norm in a lot of places. The expectations I'm referring to (providing sex and fulfilling specific gender roles) are still p…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/17 05:37 PM
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Really? How is that any different from men demanding sex from a partner, or expectations about women performing specific roles in the household?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/17 05:16 AM
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I don't see that statement as being inherently negative. I'm not sure how the RP views it, but I think that it can equally mean "You don't own this woman, and she will leave you if you don't make her happy". That really applies to any partner regardless of gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/17 05:40 PM
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I'd love to look at those sources, if you don't mind. I've seen mostly conflicting or inconclusive studies on this, including the Mariel boatlift. I meant that China had subsidized its own steel factories to the point where they could undercut local companies when selling it in the US. And yes, I agree that those jobs might come back with import restrictions, but I think that the necessary restrictions would have to be so severe that they would create even worse problems. Disclaimer: I'm a softw…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/17 03:49 PM
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Sounds like you have more fulfilling relationships than most marriages these days.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/17 11:02 PM
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Context, mostly. I have a few thoughts on the matter: Drunk sex doesn't automatically mean rape, and BPers or most feminists wouldn't say that it does. Drunk sex can be consensual as long as neither party is too badly impaired. It's far more common for men to get women drunk, or look for wasted women, in order to get sex than for women to get men drunk for the same purpose. Given that context, whenever date rape does occur then it's much more likely to assume that the woman was the victim. Date …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/17 11:00 PM
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BPillers, do any of you actually believe this? Hell no we don't. I can't speak for everyone, but I think that most of us hold the same position as you.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/17 10:55 PM
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We all agree that people should exercise caution and not act irresponsibly. However rape and sexual assault seem to be the only crimes where we place more emphasis on the victim than we do on the perpetrator. People might think that a mugging victim was an idiot because they walked through a bad neighborhood, but they are never put under the same microscope as rape victims: Defense attorneys don't pull up all of their financial history, or try to shame them for having too big of a wallet. Everyo…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/17 10:53 PM
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but should also be responsible for the consequences of those choices The main point here is that you can be responsible for the reasonable consequences of your choice, but that you should get some slack when you're under threat or duress. People get manipulated or defrauded all the time, but that doesn't mean their rights should be curtailed for it: If you get defrauded over by a financial advisor, we tend to criminalize the fraudster rather than declaring the victim mentally incompetent and tak…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/17 02:45 AM
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No, but most of us don't say that they're at fault or question how big their wallet was either. That still doesn't detract from the point though: Why would you say that female victims of a crime should have their rights curtailed, but male victims shouldn't?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/17 01:57 AM
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I think of it as saying "I should have the ability to walk home after a few pints without getting mugged." Everybody engages in irresponsible behavior to a certain extent, and sometimes your own actions increase the risk of negative consequences, like walking home drunk, or driving through a sketchy area. Men get drunk just as often as women at these parties, but somehow we don't really blame them if they get their wallets stolen or if they get beaten up by a belligerent asshole. You don't call …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/17 09:06 PM
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if she's laying there like a crash test dummy while you're fucking her why are you there? Because some men couldn't care less, and just need a hole to wet their dicks.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/17 08:58 PM
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What the actual fuck are you talking about? That's like saying that a professional boxer who agreed to take up a bout must be forced to compete in that bout regardless of their health or desire. When did women's bodily and their right to say no become subordinate to your desire for sex? Would you say that you have no right to tell a woman to stop if she only revealed her ballbusting and castration fetish to you after you'd agreed to sleep with her?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/17 08:56 PM
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Just using Appalachia as an example, because it's emblematic of that situation where people simply don't have any jobs to fill in their surroundings. The effects of undocumented immigrants on wages are a contentious issue, but so far they haven't been proven to depress wages anywhere, or at least not in job sectors that citizens are interested in. I wouldn't bet on severe import restrictions, since they're very likely to set off a trade war. I have nothing against limited protectionism to preven…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/17 05:51 PM
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Outsourced jobs aren't coming back anytime soon, and I don't recall a number of Mexican immigrants stealing jobs in Appalachia. Furthermore these jobs may have once paid well, but they haven't tracked cost of living increases.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/17 05:02 PM
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I'm saying that most of the jobs that they would be qualified for would still put them below the poverty line, and that they wouldn't make ends meet without welfare even if they were working. And I have grave doubts as to the ability of a Republican policy to actually deliver those jobs to their communities in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/17 02:29 PM
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You don't get jobs and dignity when you don't have the skills for those jobs.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/17 02:41 PM
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Yeah, we'll just have to weight and see. I'll be very surprised if they're any better off by 2020.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/17 03:35 PM
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If the men were better than women at doing these jobs, they'd still be higher status regardless of women entering the workforce, or women would be relegated to the jobs that men consider beneath them.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/17 03:34 PM
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Alright, thanks for the clarification.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/17 08:40 PM
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I know that boob size is genetic, but I'm wondering if there's any correlation between size and fitness. I've dated a few fit, buxom women, but most of them have said that they've seen a certain reduction in size with fat loss, or that the size was an impediment to some of their sports (MMA and Oly Lifting, in the case of my partners).
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/17 08:30 PM
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I don't understand the point of this post, as if there was some gender-wide authority that can decide whether women can or cannot enjoy something. Was there an official memo saying that all women should look down upon maledom porn? Did we achieve such a critical mass of women looking down on it that it became the gender-wide standard? People will enjoy what they enjoy for their own reason. If you think that it's a hot fantasy but don't extend it outside of that, knock yourself out. If you enjoy …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/17 08:27 PM
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I mean, just look at the first lady. That woman hasn't had any emotions on her face in a decade.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/17 08:22 PM
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Not too sure about "pear", in general. Maybe I'm misunderstanding the image but that usually refers to someone who's unhealthily bottom-heavy, doesn't it? I think that there's been more of a shift towards fit bodies, and fitness is rarely associated with big tits.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/17 08:20 PM
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In general I agree with you, but I have to point out that we all make exceptions for people based on our own criteria: Most of us are more accepting of jokes and familiarity coming from friends and family than from strangers, for example.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/17 08:16 PM
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Is it that people don't like big tits anymore, or that "large" is no longer the only size that people find attractive?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/17 08:14 PM
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Yeah, but a good chunk of the counties who need these programs the most would probably refuse to use them just because they were started by Obama.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/17 05:56 PM
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Just repeating what the paper states.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/17 04:14 PM
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Technically, doesn't that mean that the women are better than the men at these jobs?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/17 04:13 PM
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Just saying, the article and its underlying paper show the responses from the very men who have problems with higher-earning wives.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/17 04:13 PM
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Yeah, that's my thought on the subject too. Most companies don't have an incentive to set up shop in these areas either. At best, the government will need to set up pro-bono trade schools that might need to cater to local needs.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/17 04:12 PM
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Unemployment's been dropping straight for the past 5 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/17 03:42 AM
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I think it's the other way around: The downturn of blue collar jobs is negatively affecting relationships in populations that depended on those jobs.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/17 09:16 PM
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What's a cuck tier job?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/17 07:31 PM
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Calls others economically illiterate. Doesn't understand that government funds can be reallocated from other programs, or funded through taxation that would replace payments to private companies and provide better service for the same amount.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/17 06:57 PM
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No, I live in CA so I don't keep up too much with local races in other states, but I'll look him up. I know that www.justicedemocrats.com are trying to run similar candidates up and down the country.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/17 06:35 PM
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Much as I dislike Clinton, you're doing her a disservice here: She clearly said that the "basket of deplorables" only applied to a subset of Trump voters. She fully admitted that many would vote for him because they wanted change, and that she would try to help those (she didn't, I know), but she was pretty aware that there was a segment of the Republican base that would simply never budge away from "I ain't voting for no damned nigger/bitch/fag/kike/<insert group here>"
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/17 06:27 PM
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Don't get me wrong, I think that Clinton sucked exactly for those reasons. Not to sound like a Bernie bro, but at least he was hitting those topics and had much better plans to address them than Trump ever did.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/17 06:24 PM
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They still voted against their best interest, although I guess that the temporary satisfaction might have outweighed long-term concerns.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/17 04:59 PM
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But in reality America still has a very large manfacturing sector. Second largest in the world I believe... It does, but that's mostly in revenue terms, not necessarily in terms of employment or wages paid to workers. And even if the sector is still large it's become either smaller or much less beneficial to its workers.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/17 04:52 PM
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I agree with you. Gendered expectations are one thing, but the core of the problem is that the economics of these regions are just plain catastrophic.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/17 04:15 PM
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I don't really dispute anything you've said, and I agree with you that misandry is a problem and that people should get the same amount of basic respect regardless of their gender. That doesn't refute any of my points, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/17 03:08 PM
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I'm sorry that your experiences have been that bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/17 04:06 PM
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I could be wrong, but I think that some of the later research on that effect did show a correlation between traditional gender roles and that effect's prevalence or magnitude. IIRC career-oriented women and sexualized women benefitted much less from that effect than housewives and chaste-looking women. I'll link a source if I can track it down again.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/17 03:55 PM
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It's somewhat ironic that the "women are wonderful" effect mostly applies to women with stereotypical gender-related qualities like motherhood or nurture.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/17 03:12 PM
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Women are shitty? It's your fault for being naive, gentlemen. Not really, the point is more that you shouldn't assume gender-wide stereotypes like that. No gender has a monopoly on douchebaggery and meanness, and you would know that if you realized early on that humans will act as humans regardless of their gender. I'm not disparaging the men who got burned, but I do need to remind them that they shouldn't have put women on a pedestal anyway: They're no worse or better than men to begin with, an…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/17 03:08 PM
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What do you even mean by "female nature"? I didn't have sisters or female friends while growing up, but like most of us I did have female relatives. I admit that my view of women and dating were a bit idealized while I was a teenager, but it didn't take me that long to realize that women weren't some sort of hive-mind controlled by the All Powerful Pussy: they were people, same as the guys I mostly hung out with.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/17 03:05 PM
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If conception only happened voluntarily, then abortion wouldn't even be an issue except for cases of severe health risks.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/17 02:55 PM
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My favorite post was one that pointed out that "women over 30 are simply not fun to date" - in the sense that they weren't treating dating like an organic process where you have fun together and grow attached to each other. Instead, they treated it like a job interview where it became abundantly clear that they already had a timeline in mind where marriage was at the end of year 1 and kids at the end of year 2 Generally speaking, these people like that will have the same approach to everything. …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/17 02:52 PM
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I'm just shy of 30, but I've noticed many of the same things in women my age or slightly older. Keep in mind that those are just personal observations: 1- There's a lot of good-looking women out there in that age range, to the point where many look like they're in their early 20s. Then again I grew up in the Middle East so white people and Asians always look a bit younger to me. Still, given how much people here focus on general health and physical fitness it's a given that they'll look hot for …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/17 02:49 PM
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Thanks :)
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/17 02:39 PM
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I agree with everything you've said
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/17 08:50 PM
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Drats, caught by my own bad memory. I guess that completely undermines every argument I've made here.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/17 08:39 PM
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That's kind of my point: I never recommended bringing it up outside of a few people whom you trust, like close friends or family (and not even all of those, but just the ones whom you would trust on the issue. All I said is that opening up about vulnerabilities with people whom you justifiably trust can help you push past those issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/17 08:18 PM
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I didn't say it's a necessity, but I think that it gives you a better chance of facing those issues effectively. Ultimately you have to fix your own problems through personal efforts, but it's often useful to get an outside perspective on the subject (if nothing else, you might not be entirely objective) or to simply be able to vent and regain some energy when people remind you that they care about you. I've fought through most of my problems by myself, but it's been much easier to do so when I …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/17 06:48 PM
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Ever touched a judo or BJJ gi before?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/17 06:46 PM
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I agree with that, and vulnerability without self-improvement is little more than emotional masturbation. All I'm saying is that both together yield better results than either one alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/17 06:45 PM
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True, but it's often difficult or outright impossible to fight through an issue while completely alone. If nothing else, you usually lack the required objectivity to tackle it effectively. That's why psychology, psychiatry, and counseling exist in the first place: Because people often can't fix their problems without outside help.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/17 06:44 PM
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Oh it very much does. I do Brazilian jiu jitsu and go hiking quite regularly. If it wasn't for moisturizer my face would look like sandpaper by now.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/17 05:36 PM
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Yeah, I agree with you there, and vulnerability is very much contextual: I'm approaching it from the angle of your own mental health, not as a tool to attract women.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/17 05:33 PM
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Unless maybe if it's a tiny brand that flies under the FDA's radar. Those tend to be caught pretty quickly. The FDA goes after those guys even faster than the big ones because they're easier to fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/17 05:26 PM
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Dude, it takes even less time and effort than shaving, and it helps prevent several issues that could make you look downright unattractive. Manliness doesn't mean you should have burned, flaky cheeks.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/17 05:25 PM
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Try being your own gender. Just saying, it helps to not look like Leatherface or have clogged up pores the size of your average manhole. I'm fairly lazy when it comes to grooming, but at least I try to not have my face look rougher than sandpaper.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/17 05:22 PM
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I think that it's become more acceptable for men to take care of their appearance, and it isn't like men didn't use to care about their appearance before Tinder. Male fashion and grooming standards have existed for almost as long as we've existed as a species: In most cases it might have been an effort to attract women, but I think that there was always a segment of men who cared about their appearance for their own sake. You can find evidence of male grooming going all the way back to ancient E…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/17 05:20 PM
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Your own mental health and self-actualization, really. We all have doubts, fears, insecurities, etc. and it's bloody hard to deal with them and move past them when you refuse to acknowledge that they're there. It don't recommend airing it out to a casual date, but I think that most of us need to be able to be vulnerable with someone, either a friend, a partner, a family member, or even just your therapist if you go to one.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/17 05:15 PM
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Been dating my girlfriend for nigh on 2 years now: It varies between a 6 and a 10. Usually I'm very happy with her, but she's bipolar so the depressive episodes tend to be rough. Nothing to change about the relationship, I'm happy with where we are and where we're going. She's one of the goofiest, most compassionate, and most understanding people I know. I can't help but laugh when I come home and just hear her singing to herself while working. I wish she had more confidence in her own abilities…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/17 05:10 PM
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Take it with a few hundred grains of salt.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/17 05:03 PM
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True, but vulnerability is a necessity in areas outside of dating as well. Repression is almost never a good idea anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/17 05:02 PM
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It's a dumb idea for sure. I can see the point of putting some small fine for people who hog space on crowded subways or refuse to give up specific seats for pregnant women or seniors, but that one's as dumb as they come. Still, it's a far cry from pushing for the decriminalization of marital rape, or trying to ban divorce altogether
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/17 04:09 AM
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It is easier, however, than when sex was restricted to marriage since you weren't even guaranteed a wife back then.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/17 07:52 PM
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I think that the worst elements of the manosphere tend to make society at large take its very real issues much less seriously. Let's look at divorce laws, for example: Most people on this sub, and most feminists actually, will agree that it doesn't make sense to force men to pay alimony to their exes if the ex is actually wealthier than the guy. Similarly, most will agree that preferentially granting custody to the mother is a horrible idea if the mom is much less able to care for children than …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/17 07:42 PM
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Eh, I beg to differ on that one: People in general who know very little about fitness care more about looking strong than actually being strong. That's because most of them can't tell the difference anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/17 07:35 PM
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Honestly, I agree with you on most of those points. I simply disagree with the idea that the so-called manosphere is actually going to improve anything, when it seems to devolve down to its worst common denominators like Roosh and Vox Day.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/17 07:23 PM
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Mostly it's because the claim is that there is a basis for gender other than your genitalia, such as brain chemistry. The idea is that transgender people should be judged on that basis, rather than on whether or not they can afford the expensive treatments and surgeries that would enable them to one day transition fully
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/17 07:19 PM
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I'll dig more into it, but I do need to point out that the problems caused by an aging population aren't limited to social democracies: Any country will suffer from those if the younger generation is both less numerous and less prosperous than its predecessors. I agree with you on that balance, actually. I think that you and I would differ on the exact point of balance, as well as the necessary levels of investment and support. I don't support social engineering, and I would be satisfied with ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/17 05:44 PM
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That's possible, but I think that we should strive to maximize it and make it last for as long as possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/17 05:14 PM
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Sweden's economy is actually doing really well (https://www.thelocal.se/20170728/swedens-economic-growth-is-crazy-strong-analysts) and Norway and Denmark are tracking right along with most other countries. Germany and Canada, which are much closer to social democracies than the US, are doing pretty well too. Personal morality only affects decision on a personal scale, I'm afraid, and I think that a society functions better when it doesn't rely on individuals to act at their best. And I genuinely…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/17 05:12 PM
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if something is so hard to construct, doesn't it suggest that it is unnatural and doesn't last? Not really: Social democracies seem to be doing just fine, and I think that they are the better compromise between a purely communist and a purely capitalist system. Dispassionate rational analysis should take precedence, but it cannot function on its own. Otherwise we'll end up with a society that sees fit to forcibly sterilize or euthanize the members it deems unproductive. Indeed, nobody has, and I…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/17 02:55 PM
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That's true, and even if you have complete cooperation among all living beings they'd still technically be in competition against the universe itself. And I agree that cooperation based on personal gain is more reliable than cooperation based on moral imperatives: At the very least, people are less likely to renege on the former.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/17 10:47 PM
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That's the theme park version of socialism though, and the USSR was basically an oligarchy masquerading as a socialist nation. Personally I'm a moderate on the subject: I support capitalism as long as it isn't allowed to fuck with basic necessities. For example, I want all non-essential goods and services to be capitalist in nature, but I think that we have a moral duty to provide a robust safety net in the form of healthcare and education. I want a free debate of ideas, but not to the point whe…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/17 10:45 PM
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The Blue Pill model, in my eyes, seems to be the one oversimplifying things -- by stating that non-consequential activities lack any conflict, when the conflict is ultimately a constant -- the effect of the conflict is simply reduced. Actually you got it the other way around: One of the core tenets of liberalism, which TPB seems to follow closely, is that conflict isn't a bad thing as long as its effect can't be too negative. I know that conflict will always exist in some shape or form. I'm just…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/17 10:41 PM
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Hard to say, really. I'm biased because I have a 20 pound dog of my own, so most other creatures take a back seat to that.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/17 10:29 PM
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That's a pretty bold generalization to make.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/17 10:27 PM
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It really depends on which of the following two situations we mean by "settled": 1- You aren't good enough for me, but I can't find someone who is so I decided to get whatever I can get right now, but I'd still drop you in a second if a better person came along. 2- I used to have completely unrealistic or silly expectations, but then I realize that you can offer me something that will be happy and satisfied with, and I have genuinely changed my expectations. The first one is basically an abusive…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/17 10:26 PM
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I think that this saying might well be true, but that it grossly oversimplifies the situation. We know that cooperation can yield better results than direct competition. In a situation with 3 people, 2 people working together can usually end up with a better outcome than if each of them was opposing 2 others at all times. So the universe itself might be an uncaring, competitive place, but that only improves the case for people banding together and pooling their effort to wrestle a better situati…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/17 10:19 PM
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That's why socialism cannot, and will not, ever work That's a false dichotomy because you assume that cooperation is always going to yield inferior results to competition. Socialism is basically cooperation taken to a national scale (and perhaps up to planetary or species wide scale in sci-fi).
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/17 10:14 PM
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It even depends on the authors that you prefer within the larger genres. Vonnegut and Herbert have a very different style than Lois McMaster Bujold or Robin Hobb, for example, and you could argue that the latter's books stick to more traditionally feminine themes overall.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/17 10:10 PM
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I'm very stereotypically male in some ways (engineer, muscular, combat sports, masculine looking) but I think that I break that mold in some ways which I think really shouldn't be surprising or unexpected: I love cooking. I'm no cordon-bleu, but I genuinely enjoy having large groups of friends over for meals. Then again I'm middle eastern and we do express love through food. I positively melt around small furry things and I get along well with children. Not sure that I want any of my own, but I …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/17 10:03 PM
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Depends on whether the decision is going to affect the SO or not. No need to involve her when I'm deciding what to have for lunch, or spend trivial amounts of money, but I would involve her before making a major decision like switching jobs, moving, or handling a very large sum. We're in a committed relationship and I expect this thing to last, so I wouldn't want to make decisions that would jeopardize that without talking it out with her, and she does the same with me. On a more personal level,…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/17 08:59 PM
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i'm sorry that this is how you see it, but you're voicing a common misconception here: Most liberals don't claim that white people don't have any problems. White privilege simply means that they don't have to face problems that are unique to minorities. It's like saying that women don't have to deal with prostate cancer. Usually our point is that the problems faced by white people such as poverty or joblessness can be addressed by the general solutions that we are proposing such as higher wages,…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/17 11:53 PM
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Yup, very possible, and hopefully they'll both be better off then.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/17 09:34 PM
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Yup. They both done fucked up, and they need to fix it. This isn't a knock on poly relationships any more than cheating is a knock against monogamous relationships in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/17 09:23 PM
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Relationships aren't static, you know. They're supposed to evolve with the people involved in them. That couple's relationship is the classic example of poly gone wrong: One partner is ecstatic, the other is miserable, and it won't get better until they come to a situation that is more acceptable to the unhappy partner. If she doesn't agree to something that makes him happier, then she doesn't value him enough and he shouldn't stay with her. I've gone through similar experiences: My girlfriend a…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/17 09:15 PM
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