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It’s the most dehumanizing way to phrase it
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 02:27 PM
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It’s because it’s a man trolling as a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 06:51 AM
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Many women on here have stopped trying to engage on here because it just goes in logical fallacy circles. But the Red Pill still needs someone to “prove wrong”. This is far from the only post of its type.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 06:49 AM
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Because they’re not actually a woman and are shit posting.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 06:03 AM
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This reads as a man pretending to be a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 06:00 AM
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Because you’re literally allowing someone to enter your body in a way that opens you up to violence and less power and control. Male or female, or anyone really, working in the sex industry tend to have a history of victimization because they have been trained to serve others. It’s typically not empowering in any way. Sex workers are also at a much greater risk of being murdered, beaten, raped, robbed, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 03:02 AM
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Don’t play dumb. You know that undervaluing yourself for money makes you feel less about yourself
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 02:40 AM
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What does ego have to do with it? If you’re defining ego in this case as caring about how much you value *yourself* and positive perception of yourself, how is that worth it? No.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 02:38 AM
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Self worth and self care. It’s hard to feel good about yourself when your body is not your own. That applies to more jobs than just sex work, where you feel like you have little control. Sex workers are allowed to be picky when they don’t work under someone and aren’t desperate for the money. But that’s a rare situation, so, most of the time they’re being fucked by people they don’t want.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 01:55 AM
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Men are often catered to by society and their families in so many ways. It’s hard to see it when you’re in it, I assume.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 01:37 AM
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Sure, but please take the location and situation into account too. Like if she’s at work, let her work. She’s paid to be nice.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 06:15 AM
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But it kind of does directly correlate with red pill. I would argue it’s even worse than calling yourself an incel. It’s like, incels are squares and all red pill are rectangles (which includes squares)
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 05:07 AM
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Right. The thing that’s most important when considering evolution and where we “came from” is that we are human beings with a greater capability of understanding and empathizing. And that we should use that.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 05:06 AM
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I think a lot of women are actually too selfless imo
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 01:08 PM
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And that sucks and none of us want that, so let’s get together and protect women from them, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 12:27 PM
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So… wait for it… go for a woman who is mature, and ready for a serious relationship. Because young men do the same exact shit. And then most of us develop more and become ready for a serious relationship. Most of the time you all are taking about 18-23 year old women.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 08:59 AM
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What Mela said below, but also because they get the opportunity to attempt to “debunk” us women, an have other men on their side agree. Which is super uncommon irl
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 08:55 AM
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Did you edit your comment? Because the first way I read it was seemingly pro- Unless I commented under the wrong comment and then I’m sorry
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 08:38 AM
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I thought you meant the woman at first but yeah. Some men will absolutely use your own trauma against you during a fight.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 08:25 AM
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You guys are genuinely sick.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 08:23 AM
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This feels disingenuous, but if we’re assuming it’s real… Maybe she’s had it happen recently. Maybe she’s trying to manage it. Maybe thinking about having sex with someone new is triggering for her, which is super understandable. If she opens up about this when she comes over with the intent to fuck, she’s probably not in the best mindset for it, and it’d be best to give her a soft spot to lay her head for the night or help her home. Many people, not just women, who are sexually traumatized seek…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 08:21 AM
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Bro you talk like you just took psych 101 and English 101 in college. Maybe speaking about human beings like they’re a research paper isn’t the best approach. But even if you were doing that, you have to have evidence or it’s just opinions stated like facts
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 04:05 AM
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I love when you guys are just like: “data jargon and sweeping judgements… because the studies say this!” And never actually provide evidence. If you’re going to claim it’s beyond just your own experience, and you’re going to speak like studies say this, you have to back it up.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 03:59 AM
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Maybe women who were raised by parents that reflect those traits, but the majority of women really don’t find that attractive. Narcissists and sociopaths are usually not as charming and cunning as you’d see in the movies. They’re often pretty fallible and think they’re more intelligent than they are. Do women get charmed for a moment when they’re not in the best state? Sure. A lot of them wake up to it though. And many of these types specifically seek women that are people-pleasers and have trai…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 03:58 AM
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Those can be used in therapy, but alone medications and drugs are often not very effective. A combination of psychedelics and talk therapy has proven to be very effective for PTSD and depression.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 09:44 PM
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Right. A lot of therapy is not emotions-based. This post seems to be encouraging the stigma against men seeking mental health support. Taking care of your mind is just as important as taking care of your body. And with both of these, having a professional’s help is better than trying to wing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 09:43 PM
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Nah, this is a bad take. I like going to bars but it’s totally valid to not like them and not want to find someone there.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 06:09 PM
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My man is on the shorter side, and when I’ve asked him if it bothers him he says he doesn’t really think about it. His confidence is attractive to me. Most women who aren’t shallow won’t reject you for it. Others might just have it as a valid preference, especially if they’re on the tall side themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 06:06 PM
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Right, like if she “likes him enough” and he seems to want something non monogamous, she’d probably let him go to find a woman that suits him better in that way. Not stick around and suffer through it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 07:56 PM
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I certainly don’t have the time or energy for that, even if I wanted to be like that. And I don’t. Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 10:07 AM
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Right. If anything, I’ve seen women get so emotionally caught up, they end up with an ugly jerk for far too long lol
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 10:05 AM
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Definitely. Manifesto of a man who assumes all of his own insecurities onto all women.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 10:04 AM
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I don’t rate men though, and I’m definitely not lying to myself lol. I don’t rate anyone, i think that shit is childish.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 10:03 AM
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Also, who is really the issue then, the women, or the shitty man?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 10:01 AM
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If no woman wants you it’s likely not all women.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 03:57 AM
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I feel like you think it’s “slop” because you disagree but I don’t hear you making any good arguments
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 03:52 AM
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So finding someone who is a good match is illogical then? Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 03:38 AM
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How is this rage bait?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 07:37 PM
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It’s actually literally just knowing how to interact with others and be a decent human being.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 07:37 PM
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Exactly. Lularoe is to women what PUA is to men
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 07:55 AM
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Did she say that?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 01:57 AM
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That’s a wild take
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 01:54 AM
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You asked if it exists in a way that would make the average man more attractive, and I answered your question. Men are the only ones preventing men from using makeup to enhance their looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 10:58 PM
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Yes. There’s entire male makeup lines out there for the average man.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 07:54 PM
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There’s plenty of men that have and do successfully use makeup
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 07:43 PM
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Do you not see the difference between painting all women the same… and painting all of a group that expresses their beliefs (and member join in agreement) as having the same beliefs as the same?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 04:36 AM
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I’ve existed long before RP and can tell you that’s BS. I can only speak for myself because I’m not every woman. I am very direct.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 04:31 AM
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Again, they won’t prove it because they don’t have the data literacy, just the passion against women.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 04:14 AM
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It’s usually an MLM but for men. And it’s baffling they’ll shit on women-based pyramid schemes (that also suck) and remain oblivious that they’re actually just being marketed to as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 04:11 AM
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Don’t worry, they’re likely not even old enough to be on dating apps and just spewing “statistics” from a “study” they’ve all latched onto.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 04:09 AM
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Omg you’re so woke
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 04:08 AM
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All of these “points” that RP tries to offer are fairly common-sense. And points they would easily learn by listening to women and what the type of woman they want to attract values. Often, the RP focuses on the values or lack thereof of women they don’t even want, beyond maybe sexually. If they actually want a partnership (which is questionable) they would value the opinions and thoughts of the people they might actually want to end up with. And not the women they are mad at for not wanting the…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 04:06 AM
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I’m not sure what your stance or point is here. Every human, man or woman, would benefit from trying and working to improve. As for lowering standards, that’s not necessarily true. If a person does the work to understand who they are at the core and learns to relate to other people on a deep level, they should rather easily understand their own “league” for lack of a better word. In fact, most studies find that most successful relationships are between people with similar levels of culturally-ac…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 04:03 AM
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Don’t tell them how to be quieter about it. We need them to out themselves to our younger generations. From my understanding, the young women are very low-tolerance for their rhetoric.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 03:59 AM
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I really haven’t seen these points made by women on here, so idk. I personally wouldn’t say any of these things. Not really sure what your point is either.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 08:40 PM
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Hey, if I’m a LVW in your mind that’s a good thing. I wouldn’t touch you with a 10-foot pole.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 11:39 PM
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I like that you use the sarcastic name I gave myself as if that’s a own lol
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 11:32 PM
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I’m sorry that happened to you
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 11:11 PM
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Women are typically great nurturers. Many are very giving in several ways. They also often provide emotional support. The lingerie industry is pretty well off too. Women put in a lot of effort into their appearance.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 10:10 PM
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Or he stops buying her flowers, helping out around the house, planning dates and isn’t physical beyond trying to start sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 09:30 PM
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Problem is, most of the time it’s not about sex drive/libido. For a lot of women in LTR who stop having sex it’s about a lack of effort in other areas.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 05:56 PM
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If you don’t like the stats on dating sites then don’t use them?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 05:51 PM
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I agree! However, we need to keep the systems that made it this way in mind. And also encourage men who care about women to learn how to please them.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 10:39 PM
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Sure. But unfortunately a lot of men don’t care about making a woman cum.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 10:33 PM
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There’s also unfortunately way too few studies on women and sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 10:15 PM
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For sure. This is where good communication and confidence helps a lot. If a guy is insecure about making her cum, she’ll feel that.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 10:11 PM
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I can read and understand the point he’s trying to make. Thanks!
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 10:10 PM
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If he’s viewing it as a challenge and being like that about it, I feel like he’s likely missing the point. He could be focusing sex around it, which makes her feel pressured to perform. Sex should be focused around both people.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 10:08 PM
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For me, orgasms in general are all about the mental side. If i like them, we’ve had a great day/date, I feel appreciated, they take the time to focus on me, etc. that all helps. There needs to be some “emotional foreplay.” Does size matter, eh, sure. To a point. But enthusiasm and passion is 10x more important. PIV orgasms specifically from that are rare (for me). But he makes sure I cum every time clitorally during penetration.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 10:05 PM
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Hi! I wonder if the study suggests this because there’s likely a lack of enthusiasm or follow-through on the man’s end if he knows she only cums from clitoral stimulation. As someone who has experienced both, it’s not so much about where it’s coming from, but when it’s happening. There are MANY ways to ensure clitoral orgasm at the same time that he cums, during penetration. Get creative! And yes, I would say when it happens at the same time with a person you adore, it’s amazing.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 09:49 PM
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Like, anecdotally? Yeah that’s not the same, or genuine evidence. Also, not a great thing for a manager to say. Should especially avoid making sweeping generalizations about your employees. Yes, they are likely to face negative repercussions, and they should.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 07:18 PM
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I love this point lol
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 06:59 PM
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Great job, you’re being prejudiced.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 06:57 PM
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lol do you have actual data on women about that? Also, being a “gold digger” is no where near the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 06:49 PM
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… have you seen the data? Men ARE often violent and dangerous. The difference? One is rooted in evidence and the other is an unfounded belief. And I’m also not suggesting that someone is violent because they are a man. I’m saying men are statistically likely to be more violent.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 06:35 PM
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Being unreasonably attached to a belief that is intolerant toward a group of people.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 06:34 PM
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The thrust of your argument? Lmfao. Okay.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 03:13 PM
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Are you saying that’s cowardly or something? I could sit here and link and quote posts all day here. But you have eyes.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 02:53 PM
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Sure, women are often more passive-aggressive whereas men are often more physically aggressive. This is something that can be supported with studies and evidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 02:51 PM
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This subreddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 02:48 PM
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No one is being silenced though.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 02:47 PM
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It’s not because it’s unflattering, it’s because it’s untrue, a generalization and bigoted.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 02:47 PM
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Sure, you’re totally right. Never happens in real life. Lol It’s what you want to believe so it’s not like there’s a point in saying it’s not true.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 10:02 PM
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Literally my whole family is like this. It’s not a trope.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 09:50 PM
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That’s very untrue. I know a ton of tiny women who are into fat men. They literally seek out the “gentle bear” kind of man.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 09:39 PM
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Why are you an authority on what two consenting adults can decide for their own relationship dynamic? Pretty sure a lot of men in those dynamics would just laugh and tell you to get lost lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 09:21 PM
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A lot of people like people who are similar to them. There’s been a lot of studies that show people are drawn to other people that are similar to them and find comfort in it. This is the case with anything from SES to level of activity.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 09:12 PM
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That’s a wild take. And not true at all lol
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 09:10 PM
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There’s a decent chunk of fit men who like fat women. I think most relationships work best when people have a similar lifestyle, but these sweeping generalizations are wild.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 09:09 PM
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But also, women are not a monolith. There are women of all varying degrees of traditional and modern. And being a feminist is about supporting women in whichever role they feel happiest/best. I have friends that are modern and also want the princess treatment. Guess what? They get that, because they find a partner that matches that. I have friends who are more traditional and want to be protected while they nurture. And they get that, because they find a partner that matches that. For every type…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 09:58 AM
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You say this like men don’t have a blind spot for other men.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 08:24 AM
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For that to be the case it would have no logical connection to what you said. You suggested that a couple should always have regular sex, I asked about men who have ED. You said the average adult is capable of having sex, I brought up the massive market for viagra. ED impacts roughly 77% of the adult male population. It is connected. In this case, a non sequitur would be something like “Having sex is a choice”. It is on topic but not connected to what you said. I do love when people who don’t fu…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 08:37 PM
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I didn’t infer that but okay. I’m saying that both situations are ones where a person is unable to have sex. Not sure why you think you’re being so clever with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 03:31 PM
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I didn’t know I needed to explain how many men rely on Viagra but here we are.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 02:45 PM
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Not really an outlier. And this kind of thing can occur for years.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 11:51 AM
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… they could still find out? You could get someone pregnant or catch an STD And if you’re even a half decent person the guilt will eat you alive
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 11:23 AM
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What happens if you suddenly develop a condition that makes YOU unable to have sex? Does it all play out the same?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 11:20 AM
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Do you care about the hurt and devastation that would cause the partner?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 11:16 AM
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I’m a military veteran and I pay for most of our meals in our relationship. He does the dishes and cleans more often. In my circle, this isn’t uncommon or weird. I think it’s not as rare as people think for women to bend gender norms, even in ways that wouldn’t “benefit” them necessarily. Women live how they like, and that may or may not be in alignment with traditional roles. And it may or may not be seen as a “beneficial” role, depending on your perspective. Every role comes with upsides and d…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 10:53 AM
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Trying to cuddle while I’m doing paperwork. Only sometimes annoys me, but it’s hard for me to task switch in general. Regardless, I think it’s sweet. Ex’s? I could come up with a million.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 05:08 AM
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Nah that’s crazy
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 05:06 AM
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Half of what causes harassment and sexual assault is about control over another person. Maybe they can play out some of those fantasies with a sex robot, but it’s not going to stop them from also wanting to exert control over real humans. If anything, it just gives them more practice treating human bodies like objects.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 08:11 PM
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You got a pretty clear answer by them feeling like these need to clarify things and aren’t just immediately trying to change things
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 08:27 PM
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No, they’re not equivalent. I’d rather my child work a job where their bodies aren’t being disrespected and they’re not in serious danger. I used the military reference because I believe that is the closest comparison, as a military veteran myself. Especially as a woman (but also for men) there’s a lot of risk of assault just as there is in sex work. You’re also signing your body away to the government. Even getting a severe sunburn can result in punishment for damaging government property.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 02:35 PM
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I’m not making an analogy… Do you know what an analogy is? I’m saying that humans shouldn’t be compared to objects. Humans are more complex and comparing women to the houses on the housing market is not only dehumanizing, but not a realistic comparison.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 02:30 PM
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If that makes you feel better
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 01:34 AM
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*a lot And I definitely don’t feel like a victim. I’m in a happy relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 01:15 AM
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Always such a focus on why it’s women’s fault that men can’t find a relationship instead of looking inward…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 12:08 AM
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Women are not houses
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 12:06 AM
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Even if this weren’t a 20 year old study, I think you need to re-read the conclusions and limitations. The study found no clear evidence (or statistically significant data) that suggests mate preferences actually influence who people pursue as a romantic partner. It showed that regardless of what the individual put on paper, even when shown photographs, the results did not align with when they were put face to face with another person.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 09:51 PM
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One link to an article about wages and two more links to non academic sources. Regardless, correlation does not equal causation. The reasons you claim this to be the case aren’t definitively true.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 09:45 PM
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This is just very black and white thinking. Oversimplified. There are plenty of jobs/careers I’d discourage my kids from doing. And of course any rational parent doesn’t want their child selling their body for money. For example, I wouldn’t want them to join the military. And yes, I don’t think recruiters should be at schools. Defining sex work as real work and having respect for the individuals doing it doesn’t mean you have to agree with or promote it. If anything, it makes the most sense to e…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 09:41 PM
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Just walking around in life, I can tell this isn’t true. There are many women out there who are prioritizing men’s personalities over their appearance.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 07:00 PM
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A heathy relationship is balanced. The “best” relationships for both people are when they both love each other equally.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 01:59 PM
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I really don’t understand where this information is coming from either. I’ve never been upset at the idea of men getting help and support when they need it. I just want to make sure women are also getting help and support…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 07:15 PM
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Hey, as a feminist and someone anti red pill, i agree with you here. I DO think that men often perpetuate this too, and women use these terms to insult men because they know how much it will sting. The men who it hurts are, in their own way, being very homophobic as well. Regardless, it’s NOT okay. I’m a bisexual woman, and I’ve found that bisexual men often feel comfortable coming out to me, but very rarely other women. I’ve even seen homophobia against bisexual men from fellow bisexual women. …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 06:12 PM
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Would you agree that if someone isn’t wanted by the majority of the other gender, they’re probably not an ideal partner?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 12:43 AM
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“Students always procrastinate on their homework until the last minute” is a generalization about students using absolutes. A generalization can definitely frame an entire group of people as being one way or another. You’re hung up on the word and changing its meaning.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 07:27 PM
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A generalization that is absolute is not valid. A generalization that has room for understanding and a growth mindset can be valid. Not sure why you keep asking this when I already answered you. It’s like you think it’s a gotcha or something
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 01:32 PM
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Right. I can’t imagine being like OP. Where you’re seemingly so disconnected from the opposite sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 05:51 AM
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Men who offer a kind, supportive, loving relationships are rare. If a man is genuine and not a sexist self centered POS, they can find and remain with an equally kind and supportive woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 05:45 AM
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You’re not discussing egalitarianism beyond your title
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 05:41 AM
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I’m curious which generalization you think I’m trying to make. I would say that generalizations are often significantly more acceptable/accurate than absolutes. But any debate topic is basically required to be a generalization or an absolute for it to be valid for debate. I’d prefer to offer a generalization. And if you don’t understand what you’re saying, I think maybe you don’t understand the concept of debate.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 05:38 AM
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You note fertility instead of birth rates, which one are you trying to discuss?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 05:33 AM
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Birth rates aren’t actually lower, that’s a myth that’s been pushed a ton the last couple of years. As for marriage and divorce, I think it’s fantastic that women are taking the time to decide if marriage is something they want, and feeling capable of leaving a marriage when it’s unhealthy.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 10:46 PM
2

Huh? I don’t think anyone claims it’s easy. I think they claim it’d be nice for guys to at least try
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 02:08 PM
1

That’s not how it works for most women
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 03:47 AM
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Sex workers who sell sex in the USA are often trafficked, encouraged to become addicted/reliant on drugs, may be underage, and may feel trapped by the money from the profession. In a regulated country? Maybe. But in the USA, it is entirely unethical. Edit to add: many of them were manipulated or forced into the work at a very young age.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 03:46 AM
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No, I wouldn’t, but okay. I mean maybe the cats because I love cats. But I’m very happy with where I’m at and I’m in a very happy relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 05:48 PM
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Okay, that’s likely her projecting and that sucks. A strong relationships should probably be able to outlast someone’s shitty advice though. And one example of a woman giving shitty advice, maybe on purpose, still doesn’t prove anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 05:20 PM
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Who’s doing it on purpose?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 05:01 PM
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People give people bad advice. People give people good advice. People give advice of varying level of usefulness.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 04:48 PM
2

To be clear, two texts alone does not seem desperate. Like if it’s one after the other on the same topic. If you text once and don’t get a reply for a while so you text again, that’s where the problem is. Also, if this only happens once in a while and the second text isn’t being pushy isn’t not really a big deal.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 04:48 PM
5

Are you saying insecure=nice guy? Because that’s often not true. A lot of people take out their insecurities on other people.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 04:25 PM
-4

In what way are you certain the relationship ended because you didn’t push a boundary? This would be a situation where she said no, and you “should’ve” pressed on.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 04:24 PM
26

The amount of people who don’t understand basic consent and what boundaries are is upsetting.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 04:21 PM
2

If the man doesn’t want to and the woman pushes him to and/or tries to manipulate him into spending money. Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 04:20 PM
7

The biggest issue is when men are seeking dating advice from women they’re often insecure if not a bit desperate. Women can pick up on that very easily and typically don’t want to date someone like that. So, even if they take the woman’s advice, they still need to work on their confidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 04:17 PM
3

Did I say that I don’t engage sexually at all? Did I say I don’t lust? Maybe it’s that I actually just that I have self control 🤔
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 03:01 AM
1

Okay
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 03:00 AM
3

Lmfao, yes, one of the most common and reliable forms of data gathering. A survey. Are there downsides to surveys to gather information? Sure. But if you’re about to suggest it invalidates the information that’s been studied too and you would be wrong. Studies like this already account for a margin of error as well. They also include the limitations of the study and suggest other possible explanations. In other words. “Science.”
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 02:59 AM
3

Could the answer potentially be because men are engaging more in casual sex? Here’s a study by NIH finding that younger generations are having less sex. Though, I think you’re still avoiding answering how you know that “most” women on this sub are mostly in their 40s. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27480753/
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 02:57 AM
2

It’s not a biological science, it’s a social construct. So no, there is no objective truth to it. Maybe it would be more confident if there were one, sure. It doesn’t lose meaning though. If anything, having different ideas on it just expands its meaning and opens up communication on the topic.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 02:54 AM
4

I’m sorry she hurt you
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 02:52 AM
3

Do you have any actual evidence?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 02:51 AM
2

*Doesn’t Here’s a study from The National Institute of Health on studying sexual behaviors of different generations. It says that younger generations are having much less casual sex than previous generations. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27480753/
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 02:50 AM
2

Can you convince me how there’s an objective meaning when it means something different to everyone?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 02:28 AM
4

“The reason I don’t go for less anymore hoping for sex”
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 02:13 AM
3

Many *Gen Z are not into casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 02:12 AM
2

I read that as “before we try anal sex” and was significantly more surprised haha
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 02:11 AM
4

I’m a woman and no where near my 40s. Not sure where your numbers are from.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 02:10 AM
4

They live in an alternate reality of contradictions, where whatever they’re most angry at women for at the moment becomes true.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 02:09 AM
5

Maybe the poster shouldn’t use absolutes then
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 02:07 AM
14

If I have strong feelings for someone, having sex is deeply intimate and brings out the emotional side of things more quickly. It may also make me feel more attached before a title or exclusivity is discussed, which could leave me significantly more hurt if things don’t work out.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 02:01 AM
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I’d like to add, men like you seem to want women to be totally available to you, like you or fuck off, be or nearly be nearly virgins, and not be uptight. Like they’re meant to settle with the first jerk that shows them affection and suddenly also be great at sex
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 01:59 AM
4

You do understand sarcasm, right? Maybe they weren’t trying to make it difficult, maybe they just weren’t that into you. Your last two sentences are enlightening. You seem to expect women to not see you as a man who just wants to fuck them, but then you say you’re just now trying to go for women that you don’t just want to fuck. You seem to be telling on yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 01:48 AM
11

I’ve actually found when I like someone a lot I worry about complicating it with sex. I communicate this explicitly though.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 01:07 AM
2

So basically you’ve given up on being insightful about it before even attempting to
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 01:01 AM
4

I think this says a lot about how truly foreign a woman’s experience is to you. I see plenty of people feeling they would have some sort of understanding and others that are at least attempting to understand.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 12:51 AM
3

If that’s how your view potential prospects I think you might find yourself having the same problem
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 09:59 PM
7

Would you not be concerned about moving too fast with someone? I’ve found that when I find a guy I feel is a catch and I move too fast, I often regret it. They hide a more “ugly” side of them and sort of pull the mask down over time. Do you wonder if having such a focus on your appearance might attract the “wrong” type? If he’s shallow he might “trade you in” for a younger woman later on.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 09:55 PM
6

Agreed.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 05:38 PM
6

I think you’d be surprised how many women out there love this kind of thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 05:36 PM
11

Yup. Nothing to do with humiliating them either. The way this guy talks I feel like he’s got a thing for being humiliated and pegged and he’s angry about it, so he’s trying to take it out here. He’d probably be a lot happier just accepting it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 05:35 PM
2

Okay…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 05:32 PM
9

lol I don’t think you know women…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 05:31 PM
11

You seem really into the idea of men being fucked by other men which how much you talk about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 05:22 PM
9

What? Do straight women not still date and marry men even if they find many men to be unsafe? It seems like you used this as an opportunity to try to diss women instead of actually considering what it might be like.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 05:00 PM
11

What?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 04:59 PM
10

Probably because I’m bi and that’s how I feel. And I’ve dated and been friends with bi people who feel similarly. Obviously I don’t assume it’s true for all bi people.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 04:58 PM
18

Hmm. I wonder if it has to do with social circles or where we live. I find the opposite to be true.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 04:52 PM
2

I guess that’s a question to ask yourself and reflect on.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 04:49 PM
7

Can you elaborate? Would you not date someone like yourself?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 04:48 PM
24

I’m curious about your last sentence. I’m progressive and most of my friends are as well. We all seem to go for men that are very non-traditional.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 04:47 PM
7

I mean, it’s a good thing you would date yourself I suppose! It means you feel you bring positive things to a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 04:46 PM
11

I’m also bi, so I felt curious to see what straight people on both sides would think. I imagine for most bi people like us, we don’t normally seek out different traits in different genders.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 04:44 PM
1

Value is subjective.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 04:17 PM
1

Masculinity, from a man’s perspective, is often rigid and defined by other men, for men. It encourages men to be competitive and put each other down. Femininity from a men’s perspective is often just another expectation men are setting for other people. It’s men saying how they expect a woman to behave and appear. From my own perspective as a woman, I view positive femininity and masculinity as embracing characteristics that feel authentic to who they are. For me, femininity is being strong but …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 02:22 PM
3

I’m still respectful even if it’s unwanted. There was one time a man offered to buy me a drink and I said no thank you I have a boyfriend. He yelled across the bar at me “okay, did I ask?” In a very angry tone. I still do often have a fawn response where I try to keep calm and kind to avoid confrontations like this. Ones where I genuinely feel a bit afraid or like they’re being aggressive.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 12:35 PM
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I can’t speak for all women but I’m currently in a very happy LTR with a short and non-wealthy man. I don’t see those factors taking away from my level of attraction and love for him in any way. The career path he’s chosen is not going to make him wealthy. Neither is mine.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 04:07 AM
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Right. Many of us have this trauma. This “awakening” when we realize that the kind old men when we were 8-14 were actually being gross. Unless we have the extra unfortunate experience of being fully preyed on at this age or younger.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 02:55 AM
12

I think being hit on and being complimented are different. One can be thanked and move along. The other usually expects more of a reply and your time.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 02:52 AM
4

If you’re tired of it then don’t go for it
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 02:51 AM
3

I appreciate your curiosity and understanding. I don’t think I generally view men (people*) that I don’t want to come onto me as creepy, either. I find it “creepy” when it’s intense or a very abnormal way of doing it. I feel uncomfortable when it’s unwanted and I feel nervous about how to reply. I was also raised to fawn, appease, and sacrifice my own comfort to ensure others feel comfortable. So now that I’m learned to express myself I feel espically anxious about that. I’m ND as well, and tbh …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 02:40 AM
5

lol I suspect replies are all going to be from men that expect women to be perpetually available to them and maybe some that look down on women for being so available.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 02:20 AM
1

Do you feel you have an understanding of who you attract and consider this when seeking someone?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 02:18 AM
6

I say should in quotes because I recognize it’s my own take and not an objective truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 02:13 AM
9

Are you actually trying to understand, or are you trying to find something to call out? He kept looking over at me, made comments about the game out loud with no one else nearby, and very obviously seemed to be considering speaking up. I’m sorry you feel offended by me noticing when a guy is interested in me. God forbid I actually know my own level of attractiveness and the level of guys I attract.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 02:11 AM
7

Did you actually read what I wrote or scan for something to offend you and quote it? He didn’t do anything wrong and I didn’t suggest he did. My discomfort is purely from other situations like this where I felt like I was about to feel obligated to coddle them through the process of rejection when I gave them nothing. It seems like replies like yours aren’t actually trying to understand or listen. Just seeking something to try to “call out”. You could’ve easily asked a sincere question to better…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 02:00 AM
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I would hope that someone coming onto me has taken the time to see if I’m giving signals back. Or if I’m explicitly showing interest. It has nothing to do with if I find them attractive/unattractive. There was a fairly attractive man at a bar I sat at for lunch the other day. He was clearly very into sports (I’m not) and seemed to be trying to give signals. I gave zero back, and he said/did nothing. This is how it “should” be in my mind. Edit: thinking about it more, I’d like to add that I felt …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 01:01 AM
4

Sure, I don’t want to date someone who isn’t similarly capable socially. Ya got me.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 12:14 AM
3

All of the things I’ve listed are usually just a starting signal. The person can then give a signal back and things can escalate slowly from there.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 12:04 AM
4

As a ND woman I disagree. I’ve also dated ND men and women. ND people are NOT incapable of picking up on social signals. If the people already know each other there’s been plenty of time to read if there’s any signals being put out.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 12:02 AM
2

No, it doesn’t take much critical thinking to realize there can be different situations... Like one where you’re already friends and have each other’s number. Or one where you’re strangers meeting in a public place.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 12:00 AM
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Huh? Explicit communication is great. I’d prefer some rando person doesn’t just walk up to me and ask for my number though. Because no, I don’t know you, I’ve shown no interest, and it shows they’re probably lacking in social skills that I prefer. What I explained before was how I prefer to go about things. Being subtle and doing that sort of dance is enticing and fun.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 07:13 PM
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As a bisexual woman I’d say it’s the same for anyone I’m interested in. It’s a look, an expression, eye contact, a text message with extra enthusiasm and emotes. Sometimes it’s just slowly turning a conversation flirty, or getting deep with someone about a topic and that draws us closer. I think it should be mutual where both are giving clear signals before asking for a number, a date or initiating physical touch.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 06:55 PM
1

Yikes
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 06:38 PM
2

I’m kinda thinking it might be from your availability heuristic, especially if you see a lot of videos online about this. They’re the videos that get the most views.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 03:34 PM
2

Do you have evidence for this?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 03:32 PM
4

I have to earn genuine interest? Sure. I’d bet that if someone asks me on a date though, they have interest and curiosity…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 02:22 PM
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Her first sentence is “It’s offensive and it’s why they’re* single” This suggests that offensive=single. With just world fallacy, it would be “They’re single, it’s must be because they deserve it. Maybe they’re offensive” This suggests single=deserves to be single (because they are offensive) Just world fallacy does NOT=actions have consequences. It’s more like karma-based reincarnation in that your happiness/success in life is your own fault.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 02:19 PM
3

For most people, the investment should be in showing genuine interest and curiosity in the other person. It shouldn’t be primarily financial unless that’s the relationship dynamic you want to build (which is fine if that’s what you want).
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 01:38 PM
1

They insist that, but then they also constantly contradict that.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 01:26 PM
3

I say this because I think if you had more open conversations more often with women, you’d find I’m far from the only one.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 01:25 PM
4

Saying their actions and words have consequences isn’t a just world fallacy. It starts with the assumption that others get what they deserve, not the other way around.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 01:24 PM
-1

In what way
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 01:16 PM
0

Okay well now you know at least one woman who doesn’t date men specifically seeking out those qualities.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 06:45 AM
2

It’s crazy. Most of that shit is fake and complete rage bait. People can’t distinguish reality from social media anymore and it’s concerning.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 06:25 AM
4

Women shown in the majority of algorithms on social media are just the most shocking/interesting/absurd women to encourage media engagement. Not sure why these kind of OPs can’t see that. Just like most women don’t have Botox or lip filler even though many if not most women they see on social media do.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 06:19 AM
2

There’s “yes men” for every gender. Most women I surround myself with oppose this kind of thought process and value honest feedback. I suspect there’s a decent but not majority of women out there that ca be toxically positive. I also think you might have some recency or illusory truth bias.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 06:17 AM
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I genuinely can’t even make serious replies to most of these people because they’re doing exactly what I described in the post. So clearly they’re mentally closed off to the convo.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 06:12 AM
3

Which part do you find to be straight forward?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 04:35 AM
10

No she sounds like a human with a preference for someone who can keep up with her 🤏
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 03:31 AM
2

I think one key to this conversation here is to distinguish between narcissistic traits and NPD. Yes, many men who begin opening up to women learn that opening up can get the what they want. If they find a caretaker type, they can use their “vulnerability” to manipulate them.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 08:38 PM
-1

Another generalization doesn’t explain a generalization lol
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 06:10 PM
1

I don’t really see why anyone should be mad at an arrangement like this. If you don’t like it then don’t do it in your own life.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 12:45 PM
-3

How do you know what most women mean by it? Or are you just saying that to make your point more valid?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 12:44 PM
-1

Equity is reaching equality from the understanding that we are all different and have our strengths and weaknesses. If you want to say it’s unequal for a struggling single mother of 3 to get free baby formula, or for a individual who uses a wheelchair to have access to ramps, or for a veteran with combat related trauma to receive free mental health care, I don’t think you really care about either equity or equality.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 12:43 PM
-4

If men are the ones giving all of that to them. Why are you mad at women for it?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 05:29 AM
-5

As a feminist, I want equity I want everyone to know that each individual human, no matter their gender, has their own advantages and disadvantages. There should be social norms and systems in place. Ones that will encourage those with more to uplift others with less. Your edits that add thoughts on equity don’t resonate with what it really means.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 05:27 AM
2

They’re perpetually online and not in public enough, so they just trust whatever they see or are told online. People seem to construct fantasy worlds on this sub where all of the opinions they have are highly supported irl.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 01:57 AM
1

Hello, I’m a liberal feminist and I don’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 04:35 PM
1

They want a perfect virgin who is willing and amazing at it all.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 10:22 AM
2

So much projection
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 10:19 AM
2

Relationships that are actually good aren’t so transactional. A person finds a person they like and they hit it off and figure it out. Grown ass people don’t gaf much about count if they’re secure. Internet personalities will claim a lot more matters than in real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 10:16 AM
2

I did though?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 10:01 AM
3

Sorry. Your attitudes toward relationships scream red pill but you don’t have flair. Going off what I can see.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 09:58 AM
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If you’re into tradition gender roles: shoot for equity, it’ll get you far and keep the relationship alive. If you don’t believe in roles and don’t think we’re very biologically different: just find your own dynamic and balance for tasks and roles that work for you. No one should really care what other people are wanting or doing. Just find a partner on the same page.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 09:55 AM
3

I mean. I think what you’re saying you want here and what you’re saying you want in your original post are opposing ideas. So no wonder. Edit: I think I’m assuming actually based on your wording. You want traditional gender roles, no?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 09:49 AM
1

How do you know that your past relationships (or you in your present mindset) aren’t the exception?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 09:41 AM
2

If you enjoy the video game then it’s not overrated. I don’t get your logic
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 09:40 AM
3

As the higher earning partner, (as a woman) I don’t get it. Men like you often want a woman to both be submissive and not expect the guy to provide. Are we supposed to just sit around and starve? Haha
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 09:35 AM
1

When will men learn that if you don’t stick so strongly to gender roles, you’ll find that women don’t expect you to solely provide? It’s a self-fulfilling prophecy. You want to be the strong man and have a submissive wife. But you don’t want to be with someone who expects you to provide money and labor…. So maybe you find a woman who also works and doesn’t stick to gender roles. Like a liberal feminist? Idk. Just a thought.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 09:33 AM
2

I don’t like that you only date (insert something like women with blonde hair/blue eyes). It’s insulting and you need to stop with the demands! But for real. I don’t care. I just won’t date you and I’ll move along.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 09:08 AM
3

If her standards are silly, salute her and move on. How does this impact you? Oh, you’re taking out on her how you’re not chosen.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 09:05 AM
1

Everything I’ve heard on pair bonding seems like bunk. Have any studies to support it and gendered differences? (Genuine curiosity)
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 08:50 AM
3

Your insecurity is your responsibility. It’s not the ultimate truth, it’s your past popping up.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 08:46 AM
7

YES
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 08:44 AM
5

Lot of assuming
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 08:42 AM
2

Ask men.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 08:41 AM
6

It’s like they think oversimplifying you in a mocking tone is a “win”
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 08:40 AM
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