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Discriminationfalsehood/r/MensRights26/04/18 03:39 AM
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falsehood/r/MensRights17/09/11 11:39 PM
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Edu./Occu.falsehood/r/MensRights10/08/18 12:40 AM
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falsehood/r/MensRights11/05/19 02:20 AM
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Edu./Occu.falsehood/r/MensRights22/09/15 01:36 PM
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falsehood/r/MensRights07/10/11 04:38 AM
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falsehood/r/MensRights23/06/10 03:52 AM
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falsehood/r/MensRights15/02/11 11:44 PM
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falsehood/r/MensRights16/12/10 11:40 PM
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False Accusationfalsehood/r/MensRights17/12/15 05:50 AM
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falsehood/r/MensRights02/03/11 06:26 AM
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Your personal experience is find to share, but your experience doesn't set the RULE for everyone else. This is like saying "I got helped by an Indian guy at the IT help desk, so Indians are the best help desk people."
/r/PussyPassDenied22/04/21 02:05 PM
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True. If she had put something on the internet about how she was cheating on him, with his face, it'd be fair reprisal. This is something her friends should know about, sure, but not all of us.
/r/PussyPassDenied11/05/20 04:09 AM
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Dick move to put this on the internet though.
/r/PussyPassDenied10/05/20 04:21 PM
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What? what does that have to do with this?
/r/MensRights11/05/19 11:44 PM
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Not compared to most members of congress. I wonder why only her errors are so magnified and hyped?
/r/MensRights11/05/19 11:27 AM
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Oh jesus. We teach kids not to steal or do drugs and no one feels accused. It doesn't these are complementary messages. Education about consent should go to everyone. Sure, but the language this counters is gendered - that the responsiblity for rape is on the woman. That language is pretty widespread - "she was asking for it" and so forth. That logic doesn't make any sense if you apply it to other crimes. It doesn't. Why should a man feel blamed? It doesn't. I think people are already a little p…
/r/MensRights21/09/18 11:12 PM
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Facts of the matter - women who go jogging have to worry about getting followed or attacked. Men don't. We should all solve this problem. Everyone should feel and be safe on public, well-lit roads.
/r/MensRights28/08/18 07:45 AM
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She was defenseless and so are many other women that idiotically walk into the jaws of the beast and end up chewed up like so much garbage. Going on an evening jog is walking "into the jaws of the beast?" Do you think she knew this dude? Where are you getting your information?
/r/MensRights28/08/18 07:44 AM
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Get outta here with that nonsense. It has nothing to do with her murder.
/r/MensRights28/08/18 07:41 AM
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Holy shit my dude, do you really think that those are the only two harassing tweets she got in that time period? Do you have any sense of what kind of mentions any younger woman on twitter with 20K+ followers has? The DMs they get?
/r/MensRights16/08/18 01:45 AM
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(looks like they didn't!)
/r/MensRights16/08/18 01:44 AM
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Sure, but what does that have to do with discussions about racism in the US?
/r/MensRights16/08/18 01:38 AM
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The funny thing about the downvotes is that I didn't advocate for any position. I just said that people have different definitions.
/r/MensRights03/08/18 06:08 PM
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I don't get the logic with non whites not being able to be racist against white people, if anything, that's what a racist would think We 100% have different definitions of these words. Racial bias, racial preference, racially-based oppression - these can go in any direction. "Racism" in the context of the US is defined by some people as a specific historical force that oppressed non-whites in certain ways. Think of how Chinese labor was exploited, how Native Americans were massacred and delanded…
/r/MensRights03/08/18 08:10 AM
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None of these comments even pretend to give a shit about the harassment Jeong got. That's unfortunate.
/r/MensRights03/08/18 12:49 AM
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But seeing as a society we don’t really view women who grab a mans as as a sexual predators I am less likely to view a gay man grabbing her ass as a sexual attack The fact that society has a double standard doesn't make your double standard legitimate.
/r/MensRights08/07/18 10:42 PM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/8uf5r4/the_sentencing_for_those_involved_with_niko/e1ez18l/
/r/MensRights28/06/18 12:11 PM
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I'd reply but you deleted your account....
/r/MensRights12/06/18 06:07 AM
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Any one person making an unprovable accusation (without other evidence) isn't news. The people we're hearing about right now all have multiple accusers who still aren't believed.
/r/MensRights09/06/18 03:49 AM
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This headline is a total misquote. She's bashing people that are looking only for "white guys in a hoodie."
/r/MensRights07/06/18 03:35 AM
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I mean, there's always one idiot that misunderstands and does something stupid.
/r/MensRights15/05/18 12:54 AM
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That's certainly possible. I was just amused by the liberal people making absolute fun of the letter writer.
/r/MensRights05/05/18 04:04 AM
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The letter writer?
/r/MensRights05/05/18 04:01 AM
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you have to live in la la land to think they were. This isn't an argument. Do you really think that industrial dangers and the draft outweighed having the vote?
/r/MensRights05/05/18 03:55 AM
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I'm the OP and I think you're being ridiculous. This woman is being an asshole but we can play anecdotes all day.
/r/MensRights27/04/18 04:39 AM
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Women were never oppressed in the west. Pretty sure that the draft doesn't outweigh all of the other shit that women dealt with way on back. Go to any of those historic reenactor places and ask about it.
/r/MensRights27/04/18 04:30 AM
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My point is that I saw this on twitter from an identified feminist. This is something that MRAs and Feminists agree is stupid.
/r/MensRights27/04/18 04:28 AM
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I'm not sure that men wouldn't do this at a higher rate.
/r/MensRights19/04/18 11:46 PM
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complaints about a bad date with Aziz Ansari A personal piece about "bad sex" (in the words of a feminist NYTimes opinion writer) is someone trying to co-opt it, but I would argue that if something can be co-opted that easily, there's no such thing as any popular movement. This is the pattern that should get attention - all of these resignations and firings. If there's a trend of people "taking advantage" then please tell me, but in a world where NINE women's substantiated statements about Roy M…
/r/MensRights13/04/18 07:15 AM
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I strongly, emphatically disagree. It hasn't been hijacked at all - the meaning of #MeToo was for people, across the board, to speak up - and they did. It was not "make a very public accusation and ruin someone life" - that trope has been around for a long, long time. The meaning of it was making it OK for INDIVIDUALS to name their experience. What I've seen is the media conflate recent unfounded accusations with the #MeToo hashtag and then people use those public unfounded accusations to compla…
/r/MensRights13/04/18 03:07 AM
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I don't think he's slamming #MeToo - he's slamming standard media hyperbole and stupidity.
/r/MensRights12/04/18 01:27 AM
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Note that I don't make this to criticize you as a person, but rather to find what is right. I haven't even read through your post yet but if you're saying something like this, just know that I'm immediately expecting ad hominem insults. I'm not sure saying this has the intended effect. (edit: there were none! My fears misplaced) I think that approval ratings are more reflective of how well-received policies are than how respectable the person in power is. I'll set aside discussions on if the Pre…
/r/MensRights03/04/18 12:11 AM
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These are reasonable questions. I'll take a shot: ONE: Consider this: that black guy had an emasculate personal life and an ethically-clear White House, while his successor has all sorts of personal life issues (cheating and sexual assault to start) but a similar approval rating to some of Obama's tenure. There's a clear double standard - moreover, there's no way someone like Trump who was black could have been elected. (or at least, so goes the argument). When Obama was elected, there was a mas…
/r/MensRights01/04/18 06:13 AM
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The author of this has a different definition of the word than you do and makes that super clear. I don't think this is crazy - in fact, I think its completely obvious. You can say the definition is wrong, but the author of it is certainly not crazy.
/r/MensRights01/04/18 06:00 AM
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I don't think people want ONLY schools to handle things; they want an option that isn't 2+ years until trial for someone to be able to get out of a dorm or such.
/r/MensRights02/03/18 03:17 PM
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Someone acused him of doing it, which he hadn't. Citation? The twitter ban messages I saw were about sending illicit materials to people.
/r/MensRights27/11/17 10:16 PM
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I have no idea who went against him and why, but AFAIK sending people kiddie porn is not a good thing to do. It seems weird to have a problem with that because you think only one side is a acceptable target.
/r/MensRights27/11/17 03:24 PM
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Sargon of akkad Didn't he fake some kiddie porn and send it to people?
/r/MensRights27/11/17 09:57 AM
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Trump still has a checkmark....
/r/MensRights26/11/17 11:34 PM
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Ok fair. I should have said "alt right:" http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2017/11/15/twitter_unverified_a_bunch_of_white_nationalists_and_anti_muslim_activists.html (unless that article doesn't represent the action well)
/r/MensRights26/11/17 10:09 PM
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It doesn't twitter dropped a few checkmarks for ultra-right wing people but that doesn't mean check = liberal.
/r/MensRights26/11/17 09:46 PM
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Get the fuck out of here with that RT bullshit. That outlet just wants to stir up shit.
/r/MensRights30/10/17 07:58 PM
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Some women identified with being hushed the way she was, but both of their actions were reasonable.
/r/MensRights17/08/17 01:53 AM
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That's the standard being applied, though. Dinner with a non-spouse of the opposite sex.
/r/MensRights05/04/17 02:33 AM
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The reaction here is laughable. Meeting a woman alone for dinner, or in your office, or in a conference room, is not how you get a false accusation. Think about all of the shit Roger Ailes did to women; not a peep in the press or form anyone, because it it was in his office, not a hotel. It makes total sense to avoid a room with a bed or house if you don't want to get pulled into a mess, but meeting for dinner at an open restaurant.....that's totally fine. Also, this sub seems to be ignoring tha…
/r/MensRights01/04/17 03:58 PM
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Did you even listen to the quote? He says "they let you because you're famous" - it's not consensual. He "moved on her like a bitch." The quote confirms the numerous accounts of sexual assault, by him, against various women. President Trump is not a role model of consent. FFS did you listen to that video when the model on the shoot was "encouraged" to give them a hug/kiss? It's so fucking creepy.
/r/MensRights01/04/17 03:52 PM
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POTUS is an asshole. He is right about a lot of issues, and men get the shaft because of various policies, but this conversation is sketchy as hell: https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/08/us/donald-trump-tape-transcript.html It's totally fair to protest the new president and to oppose other parts of the opposition's agenda.
/r/MensRights21/01/17 05:22 PM
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I don't think the real push is coming from gov't, but there is certainly a push.
/r/MensRights31/12/16 10:55 PM
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Eh, that still assumes that the female population is akin to the male one. Given the shit that women in CS sometimes go through, you could assume that the women that remain are more motivated and of a higher caliber.
/r/MensRights31/12/16 07:51 PM
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there is a huge difference between hiring and currently hired. That assumes that the population of applicants to Google mirrors the general population, though.
/r/MensRights31/12/16 02:14 AM
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They are? 19% of Google’s technical roles are held by women, while 81% of them are held by men. Source
/r/MensRights30/12/16 07:12 AM
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we are indoctrinated that men are somehow inherently savage and need to be informed not to assault someone. Trump said that just yesterday on a nationally televised forum about why women shouldn't be in the military.
/r/MensRights09/09/16 03:33 AM
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You first said: if the talk of prison reform in the mainstream centered on men Then you said: conversation that doesn't include men specifically So which is it? I agree with the latter statement, but it feels like complaining when prostate health articles don't call out men. Are you asking that every discussion of prison reform mention that men are 93% of the incarcerated population?
/r/MensRights01/05/16 03:44 PM
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Men are incarcerated at 10x the rate of women. Every conversation about prison reform is about men, by default. Every conversation about getting numbers of incarcerated people lower focuses on addressing non-violent offenses committed by men.
/r/MensRights30/04/16 03:01 PM
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Agreed.
/r/MensRights30/04/16 01:10 PM
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The headline is false. Here's what she actually said: Mass incarceration has torn families apart, impoverished communities, and kept too many Americans from living up to their God-given potential. But mass incarceration's impact on women and their families has been particularly acute — and it doesn't get the attention it deserves. Nothing about that says women are the "real victims."
/r/MensRights30/04/16 01:09 PM
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Noted here: https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/41irom/its_not_just_scholarships_admissions_are_heavily/cz34rn7
/r/MensRights19/01/16 01:26 AM
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Columbia and Brown are "gynocentric?" Oh, good point, I read that backwards - they invited more women % wise to maintain closer to a 50-50 ratio. And the real cause for the imbalance is in high school, by the way. http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/03/06/womens-college-enrollment-gains-leave-men-behind/ http://www.browndailyherald.com/2012/04/26/female-applicants-face-lower-acceptance-rates/ http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/education/2005-10-19-male-college-cover_x.htm
/r/MensRights18/01/16 09:06 PM
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I said "like Harvard and Yale" - Brown, Columbia, Vassar. You can check Harvard yourself and see that women have a better rate there as well: http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2015/4/1/regular-admissions-class-2019/
/r/MensRights18/01/16 08:45 PM
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This is only true for tech schools. Women are disadvantaged when looking to get into schools like Harvard or Yale.
/r/MensRights18/01/16 07:44 PM
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In this case, a thorough and persistent investigation by police led to justice being done. Not in this case. For this criminal.
/r/MensRights19/12/15 01:09 AM
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It's entirely relevant. We talk regularly in this sub about false accusations and the harm they do the men. We expect women's groups to pay attention to those instances (which they deem rare) and should likewise note instances where a false accusation - wasn't.
/r/MensRights17/12/15 06:56 AM
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http://www.dol.gov/wb/factsheets/20lead2010.htm Citing that proves nothing except many women work in less skilled services (just like men). A better citation is this one: http://www.dol.gov/wb/stats/idoccupations.htm I think your view of the world is a little warped. Women outperform men drastically in college these days, earning degrees at 3:2 ratios, but more importantly - you aren't interacting with the men in unskilled services - those tend to be outside more often, where you aren't professi…
/r/MensRights04/12/15 07:41 AM
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Why are some people so stupid like this? FTFY
/r/MensRights03/12/15 03:29 PM
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I am assuming that Bieber really thought he was safe from the prying eyes of the media Ok, fair enough - but women on beaches and tanning on hotel balconies have been targets of supers lenses for decades, and I never saw anyone make a comparison to rape - just an incredibly distastful media. "The Fappening" was an entirely different scenario because the photos were sexualized for a specific person, then removed from a private collection. Here's a better example. Let's say two people have sex on …
/r/MensRights19/10/15 02:18 PM
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There is zero robbery here.
/r/MensRights04/10/15 05:25 PM
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Ok.....well, keep on thinking that. I think you aren't listening and this entire thread is a tangent. Have a nice night!
/r/MensRights16/09/15 01:39 AM
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The social contract isn't written.
/r/MensRights16/09/15 12:29 AM
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Are you empowered over all others to rob and kill your neighbor? Of course not, because I'm not an evil person. But such applies to all acts - robbing, killing, raping, slandering, etc. If the social contract you mean is "don't do bad things," then I think it's fair to say that's an expectation we have with each other. But it is NOT the "Social Contract."
/r/MensRights15/09/15 12:08 PM
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Good point, but that's essentially saying: "Life shouldn't be hard and unfair." Well, life is. I don't think I was arguing for that worldview, just that it exists and should be addressed (vs dismissed). I think you have good points. It's very odd, but we hate people that deliberately create suffering even though that suffering builds empathy. I honestly think that many people are actually "morally good", they have moral values (or foundations), but it's easy to ignore issues. Have you done readi…
/r/MensRights09/09/15 03:15 AM
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like a house slave you don't want to admit your a slave. That is call a delusion. Your writing indicates you are 15 or so. I would wait until you take APUSH before you start getting into this material. You are misidentifying the social contract. At best, you are describing the American right for life as named in the Declaration of Independence, but the construction of the Declaration includes life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness (the last a replacement for Locke's "property"). If you don'…
/r/MensRights09/09/15 03:02 AM
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Would you really argue that, e.g., destroying letters or burning books does not limit what a person can say, because the person still has said it. Good point and apt comparison. It's building on sand, it's dangerous, it can be misused. Concur. It's the lack of coping strategies. I'd guess this person would be so unstable that a simple mistake (calling him/her she/he accidentally) might "push" the person over the edge. Agreed. I do wonder how much coping strategies can propagate in a worldview wh…
/r/MensRights08/09/15 05:47 AM
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Please do not confuse society with government. Just because you say that's the "social contract" doesn't make it the "Social Contract" that is discussed and debated throughout academia and philosophy. I think most of us go with the Locke definition, sorry if you need to go another direction. But we're off the point of the discussion. Want to return to my actual argument?
/r/MensRights08/09/15 05:37 AM
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The social contract is a philosophical argument underpinning the legitimacy of the state. It's not something between two individuals.
/r/MensRights05/09/15 12:58 PM
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some people ruling over what others may say Again, I said nothing or the sort. My comment was about transmitting someone's words to another country, not banning or outlawing or doing anything else. Nothing prevents the words from getting overseas another way. what others might listen to This is accurate. they often assume there's a direct effect of someone's opinion (e.g., trans are mentally ill) to harmful effects (e.g., saying that you consider trans mentally ill leads to suicide) without any …
/r/MensRights05/09/15 12:57 PM
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They are supporting an eviornment where violence is likely, but not directly supporting violence. Thumbs up. I think the extension of this is that people will have different ideas about where to draw the line in the gray, both morally and legally. I wish we could have conversations about where the best line is while recognizing that there is no pure "right" answer.
/r/MensRights05/09/15 12:49 PM
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Support for lynching is not in any way comparable to mis-gendering individuals. Fair point and agreed. However, looking at the other replies to this comment (and its voting score), I'm not sure that everyone agrees. She's saying that misgendering someone contributes to a worldview where transgender people are killed. I think that's a little weak, but there's a line somewhere, right? Is that line solely about direct support for direct violence? I think her statement might be that some language su…
/r/MensRights05/09/15 02:28 AM
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if a view if given special protection by the state. paternalistic government who knows best I think you are putting words in my mouth. I didn't mention anything about governments in my comment. Can you respond to my actual argument?
/r/MensRights05/09/15 02:23 AM
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But here she appears to be reading from a list of notes and is using the statement that she prepared. She said that she did her research and had a series of notes. This is persuasive. It was part of her core argument and having it ready would be wise, if not worthy of throwing someone out.
/r/MensRights05/09/15 02:20 AM
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"I will not rob and kill you, and you do not rob and kill me." That's not the social contract by any theory I am familiar with. I'm not claiming that the speech cannot be countered, nor am I claiming that a group has additional rights. My example is saying that individuals can be harmed by speech, and that intervening in the propagation of that speech might be considered morally sound.
/r/MensRights05/09/15 02:19 AM
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if your going to use it you're going to have to source it Oh, you meant after the debate? I agree.
/r/MensRights04/09/15 01:04 AM
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In a live debate? Where is that the rule?
/r/MensRights04/09/15 12:55 AM
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I think the logical point is valid, given some precepts. Let's take the 1890s American South. In that era, when lynching was most prominent, let's say for the sake of the argument that there was a very popular British columnist read by many white southerners. Let us also suppose that there were many white southerners with deep moral misgivings about lynching, with others feeling ambiguous about it. Specifically: there exists an environment where the words of the columnist impact the opinions of …
/r/MensRights04/09/15 12:44 AM
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Wearing nice clothes for a night doesn't mean you aren't poor. I don't know her, but this is a weak attack.
/r/MensRights04/09/15 12:31 AM
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I don't think it's reasonable to require a debater to have a full list of cited quotes, but they should be able to provide them after the fact.
/r/MensRights04/09/15 12:29 AM
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I don't think the title accurately reflects the article. They protested his talk overall, and didn't say "due process is bullshit."
/r/MensRights18/02/15 01:19 AM
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Can someone clarify what the money was going to previously? $13.2 Million is not a lot of money when it comes to government budgets. The CDC's budget is 11.5 BILLION.
/r/MensRights09/02/15 05:07 PM
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she is absolutely outraged that journalists are starting to fact-check her allegations I think her point is that looking at facebook messages and publishing isn't "fact-checking," because (as we discussed) the messages aren't proof of a lie. The article also says the messages have "zero relevance," which I don't know if I agree with, but the point that "real victims always do X, Y, and Z" being a false idea is a good one. And I think she's annoyed at Young, who she feels has made a writing caree…
/r/MensRights05/02/15 08:33 PM
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And elsewhere on this thread I've criticized the witchhunt: http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/2uo1oc/columbia_student_i_didnt_rape_her_paul_nungesser/cobd5iw
/r/MensRights05/02/15 07:36 PM
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This never happened. So you admit to being on the wrong side? That scenario of people assuming false allegations must be true happens all of the time - I'm talking about a hypothetical witchhunt against someone else entirely different.
/r/MensRights05/02/15 07:25 PM
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you had a mentally ill girl accuse him of being emotionally manipulative because he broke up, ostensibly because her mental illness was bringing him down. Nope. The ex's allegation is this: Her fragile state made their “destructive and unhealthy” physical relationship confusing at best. Tom often forcefully pinned her arms back against the mattress during sex; Natalie would cry during and after they slept together. Not until months after their break up did Natalie recognize this as non-consensua…
/r/MensRights05/02/15 06:54 PM
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Sorry for delay; browser died and ate my half-done draft. And of course, this only happens after she meets up with a couple other ex-girlfriends and they decide to get revenge by making shit up. Again, not ex-girlfriends, and no shown motive for "revenge" - I thought you said the motive was their political beliefs? she claimed that he was a serial rapist when in fact she was the only one who had ever accused him of rape. That's not true. The actual ex claimed many similar encounters, if you read…
/r/MensRights05/02/15 06:02 AM
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if one had to choose, the lesser evil has to be her being branded a false accuser over him being branded a rapist. Did you know that the entire DoE ruling for "prepondance of the evidence" in school cases is based on the idea that the damages of the two possibilities are equal? I don't know if I agree with that, but the opinion from the DoE is certainly interesting. Here's a link with legal commentary on it: http://bclawreview.org/review/53_4/the-process-that-is-due-preponderance-of-the-evidence…
/r/MensRights05/02/15 03:07 AM
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I think that's a fantastic conversation to have. We can be very critical of people who don't know what happened (almost everybody) from shaming him when it's not 100% clear either way. We can also be critical of a justice culture that treats a charge or indictment as fact when it's not. We can be critical of any system that treats an accusation as fact when it destroys lives (and of the preponderance of the evidence standard the DoE is forcing, which causes schools to essentially have to expel/s…
/r/MensRights04/02/15 10:18 PM
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she totally contradicts her own claims at every conceivable level No, that would be a wire-recording or a facebook message where she said "LOL SRY I LIED" or something more serious. Don't exaggerate the evidence you have to be stronger than it is; you weaken the moments where it's absolutely conclusive. psycho-babble rationale You know that abusive relationships often continue even while the abuse is happening, right? And that abused partners sometimes have to be dragged, kicking and screaming, …
/r/MensRights04/02/15 07:18 PM
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Are you seriously not getting part of the concept of these messages being undisputed, verifiable things that Emma actually said? On the contrary; the messages are certainly accurate, and I've never said otherwise. I'm saying that the accusation can be credible and the messages as well. I think that people are assuming that he took off her clothes and tied her down or something (strange rape), when her accusation has only ever been that he did something non-consensual during consensual sex. I hea…
/r/MensRights04/02/15 06:09 PM
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I think all of the accusers here were interviewed separately - the issue is that they heard about the accusations from each other. That doesn't mean they aren't credible, but it does hurt the credibility.
/r/MensRights04/02/15 05:25 PM
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actual things that the accuser had actually said, verifiable and on the record, which completely contradict and discredit her Where? I read the article - the only evidence mentioned is the messages. Actually it is widely known that prosecutors discriminate in how they decide to press charges, quite unethically. Fair point; this is true. It also looks like she chose not to go forward with charges. I would disagree that there's a "strong bias in favor of rape accusers" - there are many anecdotes t…
/r/MensRights04/02/15 05:17 PM
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I was talking about the specific accusation and the language she used to describe it, not saying it absolutely 100% happened. "This" was modifying my quote.
/r/MensRights04/02/15 04:50 PM
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Yeah....because when the accusers of Jerry Sandusky heard about the accusations and came together, that was so wrong?
/r/MensRights04/02/15 04:47 PM
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Her Facebook and text messages totally discredit her story. They don't. I know rape victims who have messaged and texted their rapists with similar types of things, especially when trying to pretend the attack never happened. I've known people who have been raped Do you know someone who had a scenario like this (crossed the line in a consensual encounter)? Also, what would be her motive?
/r/MensRights04/02/15 02:44 AM
-1

I think this is a perfect example of why the legal and colloquial definitions of rape need to be changed (or at least changed for certain circumstances). Rape, when used as a buzz/trigger word is meant to bring about imagery of violence and threats and a victim left broken afterwards which is a narrative I don't think should be associated with "Oh, we were naked and grinding and he stuck it in for a second, but I wasn't ready to have intercourse with him yet." Yeah - and it's also worth mentioni…
/r/MensRights04/02/15 01:57 AM
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Her claims have been discredited several times over. Because of the facebook messages? I don't agree. Charges are not filed unless the prosecutor believes they can convict - it's part of the ethical obligation of prosecutors. she subscribes to a radical feminist ideology I really don't recommend making a judgement about criminal offenses based on someone's politics, regardless of what they are. Would you like people to assume MRA's are spouse-abusers or something like that? We need one standard.…
/r/MensRights04/02/15 01:53 AM
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So here's the problem - it wasn't a "VIOLENT RAPE" in the way you see on TV - it was a forced move during a consensual sexual encounter. They had a previous friendship and sexual history. Accusing someone you know of something like that is hard - how many abused children or spouses don't report their abuse? The scenario you seem to outline leaves no room for a case where we don't know what happened - it might have happened, it might not have. Sometimes we know that one of them is lying but we do…
/r/MensRights04/02/15 01:49 AM
-1

Where was I asserting that? Obviously a discredited accusation of anything isn't whatever thing we're discussing.
/r/MensRights04/02/15 01:46 AM
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This will undoubtedly result in injustice but acting on he-said she-said accusations is far more unjust. Not even a no-contact order, or permission for either to chance dorms? The scenario that gives me the most pause is one dude who has several he-said, she-said scenarios. Individually, none can be proven, but the pattern.....I don't know what the right action is.
/r/MensRights04/02/15 01:45 AM
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I don't think we can know one way or the other. If I had to pick, I think he did it, but I wouldn't convict him on a jury.
/r/MensRights04/02/15 01:43 AM
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Thanks for the circlejerk comment; it's unfortunate when people don't follow reddiquette. Something isn't adding up because of her messages to him after the event and that's why her accusations are discredited. I agree that the messages are strange, but it's not quite that black-and-white: While they were having consensual sex in her dorm room, she alleges that he suddenly pushed her legs against her chest, choked her, slapped her, and anally penetrated her as she struggled and clearly repeated …
/r/MensRights03/02/15 11:09 PM
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They chant "believe the victims" but they keep picking people whose accusations are inevitably discredited to represent their cause. Her accusation isn't discredited; it just hasn't been deemed to be enough to get a conviction. Prosecutors don't think they can convict him, but that doesn't mean that three women all made up things. OJ was "cleared of charges" too.
/r/MensRights03/02/15 09:39 PM
4

I haven't seen his name until now.
/r/MensRights03/02/15 09:37 PM
2

An open letter is a political statement. All such letters usually involve private negotiation as well. Selma depicts this.
/r/MensRights03/02/15 07:30 PM
1

Didn't he post that on twitter?
/r/MensRights07/09/14 05:53 AM
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Having worked in a university justice system, I find this account very difficult to believe. According to RAINN, "If you didn’t say no because you were legitimately scared for your life or safety, then it may be rape." That doesn't seem to apply here, but I do know colleges are on edge about this, so maybe some admin official made a stupid call. I would consult a local lawyer.
/r/MensRights04/07/14 08:52 PM
1

And what consequences does a 6 year old deserve, praytell?
/r/MensRights21/08/13 03:34 AM
3

You may want to do some reading about child testimony at trials and how easy it is for a trained adult to get a kid to say just about anything. They created a stressful environment where the way out for her was to repeat this lie again and again.
/r/MensRights19/08/13 09:36 AM
2

I don't think NBC would get angry letters from people if they played more of the dad. "Rape culture" isn't the same thing as child molestation.
/r/MensRights19/08/13 09:32 AM
1

Anonymity by whom? The courts? The public?
/r/MensRights02/05/13 04:41 AM
13

Or is being sued herself....
/r/MensRights28/03/13 04:27 AM
-8

Other women were doing just fine in tech That's a meaningless statement. Anecdotal evidence isn't evidence.
/r/MensRights28/03/13 04:27 AM
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Seems like a reasonable thing for the doctor; he doesn't want to get involved in that drama. As long as the wife is down and the doc is good...
/r/MensRights20/12/12 10:27 PM
1

Women are given the choice whether to run the women's programs or the men's programs. I don't think it would foster a "you don't deserve to be here" thing for women at all. Everyone already knows that aggregated women don't have the strength to do the same things as guys - all that's changing is that women with the genetic ability to do the combat route have that choice. The only people who would get judged would be women that can meet the higher standard and choose not to. Why would men get the…
/r/MensRights20/12/12 06:17 PM
1

I said that women who meet the basic levels of physical performance that men must hit should be in combat roles. Please explain how women who can meet equivalent standards FOR COMBAT ROLES would put men at risk.
/r/MensRights18/12/12 04:45 AM
1

??? - that's a very weird insult.
/r/MensRights17/12/12 05:21 AM
1

Ok...so why not have boot camp for combatant certified and non-certified? But I get your point about recruitment numbers. I know that women, ON THE AGGREGATE, lack strength. I just think stopping one woman because of the general trend is foolish.
/r/MensRights14/12/12 07:40 AM
1

Are you claiming that there is not woman alive in the US armed forces that can accomplish the same physical feats expected of combat troops? Put another way: Hispanic-Americans have lower aggregate test scores than Asian-Americans. By your logic, both groups should be admitted to the same college, but none of the Hispanic-Americans get to take honors classes. That sounds awfully discriminatory, and citing the lawsuits that would come against another method is a bit of a strawman. *The armed forc…
/r/MensRights14/12/12 06:03 AM
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???? Your definitions of the word "victim" are different, but do you really think Hillary Clinton doesn't give a shit about people that die in war because they are XY? Dying in war as a soldier makes you a hero in many eyes, not a victim. That doesn't mean it doesn't suck. The sin you are talking about is the rules of war. It's ok to kill opposing soliders. Not ok to kill civilians. That soldiers are typically male makes the "sin" aspect appear to belong to beyond to men when it really belongs t…
/r/MensRights14/12/12 04:08 AM
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I was replying to the use-by comment.
/r/MensRights14/12/12 04:02 AM
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??? This is a silly argument. My statement was that women aren't allowed combat roles. You replied saying that they lower the bar for women, which is irrelevant because no matter what the bar is NO WOMEN NEED APPLY. The obvious answer is one single physical standard. If women can't hit it, so be it, instead of a blanket prohibition on women.
/r/MensRights14/12/12 04:01 AM
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Still makes the photo inappropriate, dude. I've replied to you elsewhere in thread on your other point.
/r/MensRights13/12/12 08:18 AM
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And if you look at modern wars and conflicts, they are much more often in the mode of the Salvadorean Civil War. As much as our 6000 dead troops in the US get press coverage, they are a small percentage of war deaths in the past decade.
/r/MensRights13/12/12 08:15 AM
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The vast majority of War deaths are not male. They are civilian. Dude, learn to read the context. Lowkeyow is saying that the majority of deaths are civilians as opposed to male soldiers. You know, the ones in the image linked on the top of this thread? It makes me sad that you seem to think you are making effective advocacy by willfully misreading what others write.
/r/MensRights13/12/12 08:13 AM
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The context of her quote is about victimization. Victims are the innocents, the civilians, the non-combatants. A killed soldier has not been "victimized." She's talking about guerrilla wars where there are no front lines, no clear campaigns. Instead, the wars happen in and around civilian populations that suffer their consequences - and those civilian populations are mostly women and children. She's not saying that men don't die, or that men don't bear a cost. Hell, it used to be common in ancie…
/r/MensRights13/12/12 08:10 AM
0

Annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd this is what people are talking about when they call r/MR misogynistic.
/r/MensRights13/12/12 08:02 AM
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I don't know - I think we're very good as a society about recognizing soldiers - medal of honor winners - veterans. There is no award or celebration for the folks Clinton talked about, nothing with parity. Maybe she's pushing against the current state of minimalization? That while the men die, those that are left behind must pick up the pieces?
/r/MensRights13/12/12 08:00 AM
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Yes, because women aren't allowed "combat roles." And who decided that one? Dudes.
/r/MensRights13/12/12 07:58 AM
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Sure, but why don't you ask around in Africa a bit - I think you'll find the stats a little troubling.
/r/MensRights13/12/12 07:57 AM
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Well, I think it’s way past time that we redefine what we mean by war, because there are no front lines in the wars in today’s world. There are often not even organized military units, unfortunately. There are states, there are networks, there are terrorist groups, there are militias. And the fact is that in today’s wars around the world, the primary victims are women and children. It didn’t used to be that way when there was a more organized military campaign. But today, we see women being vict…
/r/MensRights13/12/12 07:54 AM
2

Rape is the rapist's fault. Why wouldn't you blame the dude (assuming it was male-rapes-female)?
/r/MensRights05/08/12 02:18 AM
0

So should you be blamed? Should young women be judged for drinking a lot?
/r/MensRights05/08/12 02:16 AM
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The second campaign got big publicity for all of the attacks/threats it received.
/r/MensRights17/06/12 07:32 PM
1

Nope. I think she's going to focus on women tropes, just as this project will focus on men. That's different than saying that the other side lacks a case.
/r/MensRights15/06/12 04:32 AM
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Why is this "fighting back?" No one is saying that male tropes don't exist....
/r/MensRights15/06/12 03:49 AM
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I find it interesting that the first ever PM flame I received on Reddit was for this comment. Kind of shows when someone has really lost an argument.
/r/MensRights12/06/12 06:24 AM
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....except that things are heteronormative, and for understandable reason given the demographics of the population. Worth discussing though.
/r/MensRights12/06/12 05:06 AM
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First off, there's no need to bring in a female comparison here: it's irrelevant and harms your own retort. Second, you've misconstrued McHomans's statement. It isn't "arguing" with you; it's a declarative that your statement isn't worth addressing. That your words like substance and use, and that his time is better spent elsewhere. Your task, against this statement, is not to make an ad hominem attack; it is to lay bare that our words are relevant, and therefore his decision wrong. However, I h…
/r/MensRights12/06/12 05:04 AM
1

Have you ever considered that men are more likely to see a film with an attractive female?
/r/MensRights06/05/12 09:53 PM
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That's because Titanic had a really memorable scene about 3rd class folks getting shut below. But my point still stands: it was a different time; women didn't get the vote, didn't get to refuse sex in marriage, etc, etc. And they got to get off of sinking ships first. If they were in first class.
/r/MensRights17/04/12 04:09 AM
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And women didn't have the vote either....I'm not sure what you're pointing out here. It was a different time.
/r/MensRights16/04/12 05:23 AM
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Ad hominem.
/r/MensRights13/04/12 11:57 PM
1

When did I say that it's a "simplistic patriarchy oppressing all the poor women picture." Don't put words in my mouth.
/r/MensRights13/04/12 03:47 AM
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You have no idea what's going on on the ground in India, do you? It's like the mass rape of women and teenage girls in Guatemala that happens without consequence; the WORLD IS NOT LIKE THE US. Get off your high horse and support the efforts of those in those countries who know what is going on.
/r/MensRights11/04/12 06:44 AM
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Here are some quick data points: http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/india-fourth-most-dangerous-place-for-women-survey-112349 http://web.archive.org/web/20060911183722/http://www.un.org.in/wii.htm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bride_burning
/r/MensRights24/03/12 07:39 PM
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India is not the US, and the cultural context of this law is very different than any equivalent American law. That doesn't mean that the Indian law is ok, but there's a different yardstick to be used.
/r/MensRights24/03/12 12:56 AM
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I think young men and young women should be the first to give up their seats.
/r/MensRights24/12/11 07:17 PM
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Agency can be removed from either spouse. I'll go with what the daughter said, though.
/r/MensRights02/11/11 04:29 AM
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This isn't at all the same. This stuff happened - there are apparently legal records somewhere to prove so, and there is evidence from sources that the women left their jobs. This is not a "random accusation;" these women chose to leave their jobs over whatever happened. They are not making accusations today, and they didn't contact the press. This is not a time to go after the accusers - they didn't realize that the settlement they got a decade ago would become national news. There are times fo…
/r/MensRights31/10/11 04:28 PM
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This is how it works with every movement/position/group.
/r/MensRights07/10/11 04:39 AM
2

The thing is that WOMEN ALREADY KNOW THIS; you aren't needed to "Teach" them anything. Do you really think ladies don't talk to each other and say where is a good idea to go, and where isn't? That someone going to a drunken frat party doesn't know these things? I'm all for being aware of one's situation. But in discussing a rape that has already occurred, there's no use in saying "well, she [apologies for being normative, I blame English] shouldn't have been there," as if A: she doesn't already …
/r/MensRights20/09/11 04:00 AM
1

drunken frat-house style escapades The problem is that there are fundamentally two kinds of drunken frat-house escapades - the kind where you go upstairs drunk and have a one-night stand with drunken (not legal but real) consent, AND the kind when you pass out on a bed and wake up to someone raping you. Your standard would blame the victim in the latter case for going to the party in the first place, right? You have to distinguish between the two.
/r/MensRights20/09/11 03:42 AM
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With all respect, you did not quote the article. You said, "One female Obama cabinent member calls the White House 'blah blah blah.' " I would instead suggest "an Obama senior official is quoted as saying that the Obama White House was 'a genuinely hostile workplace for women' " It may seem like splitting straws, but your title suggests an op-ed or on-the-record quote. This is neither; it is a "game change" style quote from a political book based on secondhand sources, as many are. Quoted as say…
/r/MensRights18/09/11 03:38 AM
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The screenshot was from the same article linked to by the original title. I should have been clear about that.
/r/MensRights18/09/11 03:10 AM
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Is it a direct quote, during an interview they had, or a second-hand anonymous piece of hearsay? I usually don't trust the latter, especially with the other people saying the book quotes them falsely.
/r/MensRights18/09/11 02:54 AM
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Also the source I am quoting is the SAME ARTICLE the OP linked to.
/r/MensRights18/09/11 02:41 AM
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It doesn't matter. The title said that the adviser "calls," implying a present state of mind. But that's mostly a cop-out to say that I think people get to decide what their opinions are, not anonymous quotes. If someone wants to come out and contradict her, then I'll reconsider.
/r/MensRights18/09/11 02:39 AM
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I did not. I said it was an "untruth." Do you dispute that? There's nothing skewey about the fact that she wasn't a cabinet member, and that the submitted title used that.
/r/MensRights18/09/11 02:38 AM
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The link I posted.
/r/MensRights18/09/11 02:36 AM
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Not a cabinet member Anita Dunn denied saying that. The book has already been found to have other errors of fact. There's a valid post to be made, but not the one that's up there.
/r/MensRights17/09/11 11:41 PM
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Summers is also a jackass, which, while correlated to the ability to speak truth that may need to be said, isn't in itself commendable. Also he didn't say that at Harvard.
/r/MensRights17/09/11 11:34 PM
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Appointing women to one's cabinet doesn't mean that women aren't going to "left out" during important decisions, and the quote you have isn't from a cabinet member, AND the she said that she never said that. Get your facts straight.
/r/MensRights17/09/11 11:32 PM
1

There is ONE paragraph in that whole report on it. You have not supported your assertion that women "rarely" run companies that get contracts.
/r/MensRights08/09/11 11:18 PM
1

not really. read the citation?
/r/MensRights08/09/11 11:18 PM
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Not only do women get disadvantaged status when dealing with government contracts, they also rarely actually run the company, it's a husband or brother or something. Citation please.
/r/MensRights08/09/11 05:56 AM
2

They revel in it Eh, stereotyping.
/r/MensRights08/09/11 05:56 AM
0

I'm also against this discrimination because it affects people's views on my merits as an individual. A woman once scoffed at my acceptance into U of I's engineering program on the grounds that I got in because of my gender, rather than my high ACT score, good grades and extra curriculars. It's a damned-either-way situation though. Your way will (supposedly) slow down the entry of women into engineering, and further the isolation or pressure you might face as a long female.
/r/MensRights08/09/11 05:55 AM
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Women don't get pref treatment in any college program except those in which they are minorities. Where did you hear otherwise?
/r/MensRights08/09/11 05:53 AM
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Yes, you did. You said a workplace should be able to fire someone accused of sexual assault based on the accusation, not on a conviction. I did not. I said that the employer should make use of the same evidence a court might. That's how dismissal for fraud, stealing, "regular" assault and any number of other workplace problems takes place. I'm stating how the law works, right now. Show me evidence of the amazing miscarriages of justice that you're imagining and we'll talk further. Otherwise, I'm…
/r/MensRights28/08/11 10:15 PM
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Why the fuck should someone lose their job simply because they've been accused of something I didn't say that. I said that in cases where there is clear physical evidence that WILL lead to a clear conviction, such as a videotape of the assault on the hypothetical factory floor or in the hypothetical breakroom, you should be able to fire the person that committed the crime. You're basically saying that the judge and jury are required for anyone to make any decisions of any sort about an accusatio…
/r/MensRights28/08/11 05:38 PM
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Oddly enough, I think Feminists hate that definition to, given the requirement of "force."
/r/MensRights28/08/11 01:20 AM
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a female-dominated environment, where 2/3rds of all college degrees go to women Not at the universities that practice this policy. I reject your assumption that college is a universally anti-male experience, but I think the problem is more in how we look at the same thing than that we're looking at different things. As a male who went to a college that had sexual assault trainings, take back the night events, and so on, I categorically reject that these things made my college anti-male. This con…
/r/MensRights28/08/11 12:35 AM
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That's not what I said. I said I had a problem with people being protected from firing until a formal trial. If I'm the owner of the company, and I have video footage of the event, and its a violent, coerced, sexual assault, I damn well should be able to fire someone before a court has reached a legal finding. My rejection of the universal assertion that an owner's shouldn't EVER is not an endorsement that an owner should ALWAYS.
/r/MensRights28/08/11 12:23 AM
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Two more links: http://chronicle.com/blogs/innovations/are-admissions-preferences-for-men-okay/28909 http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/23/opinion/23britz.html I find it ironic that you are calling me for looking things up without doing any googling on your own. If you go up the comment thread you'll see that I did respond to the original article and the points you made here. FIRE, the anti-male legislation, and so on are evidence of an anti-male bias in the cases of alleged sexual assault - a probl…
/r/MensRights27/08/11 06:58 AM
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Here's a general source with context: http://www.mindingthecampus.com/originals/2010/06/the_quiet_preference_for_men_i.html The statement that I was responding to was a suggestion that universities have an inherent anti-male bias or discrimination. My response was that men enjoy a positive bias in terms of admissions; a form of discrimination that works in the other direction. It was intended to be a counter-example to the obscure and unsupported claim that universities have a pervasive anti-mal…
/r/MensRights27/08/11 06:20 AM
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more female applicants, admittants, degree recipients, and academics than men Ergo, to reach equality in an undergraduate population count, some preference is required. Also, "objective" isn't the opposite of "marginal." I'm using the word in economic sense - on the margin. Please look up the "marginal product of labor" on Wiki and re-read my comment.
/r/MensRights27/08/11 04:54 AM
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????? It's simple statistics. I'm not implying anything about "value," I'm objectively stating an admissions preference for institutions with unbalanced applicant pools. You could just as easily state that giving men a preference demeans them. Your logical chain isn't valid, because the effect of what I'm talking about is marginal. It is a response to the various forces that are lowering male attendance rates, and while it lowers the size of the drop, it does not erase it. It's like walking on a…
/r/MensRights27/08/11 02:24 AM
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sure! but you don't have the right to work at PLACE X. You have the right not to get fired because of discrmination though.
/r/MensRights27/08/11 01:54 AM
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What I meant is that holding grades, activities, and such constant, the avg SAT score for an entering female to a university is about 50 points higher than for a male. The implication is that the university didn't have as many high SAT score males, so they had to get more low scorers in order to get gender equality. The scores aren't different, but a 1300 male is more likely to get into an Ivy League institution than an "identical" 1300 female. (though remember that "identical" is impossible, gi…
/r/MensRights26/08/11 11:03 PM
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I have a hard time buying this. Your rights to travel, to move freely, to vote, and so on, are much more important than your right to work somewhere or get educated somewhere. This standard makes them equivalent. The legal system is an incredibly expensive way to make "findings of fact," and even it isn't perfect. How would you universalize this procedure, or would it be unique to cases of alleged sexual assault?
/r/MensRights26/08/11 11:00 PM
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There are different types of legal class; I believe gender is a "suspect class."
/r/MensRights26/08/11 10:56 PM
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Do you mean that in the sense of changing outcomes or ignoring appeals post-verdict?
/r/MensRights26/08/11 04:08 AM
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Ah, I understand. My counter-example is actually a fairly large one - being male is worth 50 SAT points or more, depending on the school. But I get what you were saying now. I don't see evidence of discrimination though - beyond a few widely publicized cases (which can be easily countered with other anecdotal evidence til the cows come home), you haven't shown that men are being unfairly dismissed.
/r/MensRights26/08/11 03:01 AM
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I'm not going to follow that pivot, but your logic is screwy - either Affirmative action is bad, in which case men shouldn't get any right now, or its good, in which case women should have gotten it. Unless you think Women weren't disadvantaged in the 70s....
/r/MensRights26/08/11 02:14 AM
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Oh really? Last I saw men are getting affirmative action to maintain gender balance.....
/r/MensRights26/08/11 01:57 AM
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I'd like to see you argue that brown people don't have a "right" to get treated equally by colleges. False legal equivalence; "brown" people are a protected class. If the university is systemically discriminating against men, then its in violation of federal law and should lose its funding. FERPA regulates the disclosure of that information; the only people who will know the reason for the dismissal will have already made up their minds about the situation. Assumptions of male guilt piss me off,…
/r/MensRights25/08/11 05:15 AM
0

It's not a question of jurisdiction, and its not a question of rights. The cops have full legal jurisdiction, and the accused's rights aren't related to a legal-free college "court."
/r/MensRights23/08/11 04:06 AM
0

You accuse your "asshole boss" of sexual harassment; boss deserves opportunity to confront and refute your accusation, and you should be required to prove it. Your kid accuses the teacher of hitting him; teacher deserves opportunity to confront and refute the accusation, and you should be required to prove it. I never disputed that.....my point was about the requirement to go to the cops (and to make a public accusation) in order to be able to make a university complaint.
/r/MensRights22/08/11 10:26 PM
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Wait wait wait wait. Your asshole boss sexually harasses you, and you can't get her fired unless you go to the cops? Your son's teacher hits your kid, and you can't get that teacher gone unless you go to the cops? I entirely agree with you that employees aren't cops and students aren't judges. Your problem seems to be solved if colleges give the full semester's tuition back, but I think you're annoyed more that full justice isn't being done here. I agree that that's frustrating, but deans deal w…
/r/MensRights21/08/11 07:50 AM
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Colleges aren't courts, and you don't have a civil right to be at one, so full legal standards don't make sense. No one is making an "official" finding of anything, because there's no valid process for ascertaining the truth. Short of making colleges refer all such matters to the cops (and let's remember the legal standard of sexual activities / alcohol), I don't know how to fully satisfy the author here.
/r/MensRights20/08/11 10:20 PM
0

WP doesn't care about why someone is famous. It cares about IF they are famous. And this guy doesn't seem to be famous.
/r/MensRights11/07/11 03:50 AM
1

Still not responsible for the sex. Unjustly responsible for the kid, though the kid might feel otherwise. EDIT: Given how awesome a mom we might expect her to be.....
/r/MensRights30/06/11 04:33 AM
1

Intent has nothing to do with it. The guy didn't consent to the sexual act. The law is "if you have sex, you must not do that with people below X age." Legally, this hypothetical guy isn't responsible for the sex.
/r/MensRights29/06/11 04:54 PM
1

No, as he didn't consent to the act.
/r/MensRights29/06/11 06:15 AM
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Until that law is changed (its a dumb law), I think you have to hold people responsible to not stick their dick in underage.
/r/MensRights29/06/11 06:15 AM
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First off, TBTN is not just about the rapes that happen on college campuses. It's also about childhood sexual abuse, rapes that have happened elsewhere, and so on. The people who commit the abuse are sometimes men and sometimes women; while I know that you might feel you can understand how the event works at my college, it feels like you're projecting a stereotype. In fact, the TBTN at my college involved, this year, an explicit discussion about the awesome men who helped someone after she was r…
/r/MensRights03/05/11 06:42 AM
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TBTN was held on my campus as well, and as someone who reads TwoX, MR, RapeCounseling, and other subreddits, I can assure you that I learned more from the event that reading could ever teach. It's not about awareness. It's about healing.
/r/MensRights03/05/11 04:07 AM
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Charges aren't proof of anything.
/r/MensRights03/05/11 04:02 AM
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your opinion...
/r/MensRights30/03/11 11:54 PM
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I hold the door open for everyone. But if someone asks me not to hold the door open, I won't do it, male or female. And I won't make a sarcastic remark about it if someone protests. Seems like a lack of social skills all the way around here.
/r/MensRights29/03/11 05:42 PM
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Most of the women expected to have a good career, marry a man who earned same or more, share housework equally, not sacrifice her career for his. Have children around 30, have the choice to work or stay home after kids. Doesn't everyone want this stuff? I get why the stuff in the text box is problematic, but I would think a good career with similar-ish incomes would be desirable.....
/r/MensRights27/03/11 09:43 PM
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Pointing out the reasons for stupendously high incarceration rates of young black males doesn't excuse their "bad behavior," it's part of solving or working to fix a public problem. Same goes for here. Why do you think women have a higher abuse rate?
/r/MensRights21/02/11 06:37 AM
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The subject of this article is that mothers perpetuate more child murders than fathers. I limited the question to that subject, and am not making a judgment beyond that.
/r/MensRights21/02/11 06:09 AM
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Your single-issue blinders are really frustrating. I'm not referring to parents who don't want their kids during pregnancy, but ones who, one day, up and leave. You can make the case that dads are trapped by kids that women have, but I wasn't doing that. I was saying that dads probably feel free-er to leave than moms. Case closed.
/r/MensRights21/02/11 04:15 AM
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I actually wasn't talking about support awards = I was talking about parents who abandon their kids one day, legality not involved.
/r/MensRights20/02/11 10:25 PM
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Could it be because women feel more "trapped" by their children than men? We know there are more deadbeat dads than moms, which would suggest men feel more freedom to walk away than women do.
/r/MensRights20/02/11 05:52 AM
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ain’t nothing like a super-concentrated dose of truth to piss people off I've said to see these words mean anything other than "I'm a dick!" Let's see.... And as a number of commenters pointed out yesterday, had those Egyptian rioters known the truth about Logan’s past, how much of a debauched, depraved, disloyal slut she was (by their standards, not ours), they wouldn’t have just raped her, they would have KILLED her and tossed her violated corpse into the Nile. (And this story about her being …
/r/MensRights18/02/11 04:28 PM
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I'm talking about I would say to the ladies - but to the guy.
/r/MensRights16/02/11 03:38 PM
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When they tried to get up/leave, he pushed them back down onto the bed. Not with "FORCE" persay, because they weren't FIGHTING because of fear/whatever, but he took physical control of them.
/r/MensRights16/02/11 03:34 PM
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Ok, so let's say that you've been given a date rape drug. You're conscious, but the sex is rape, right? Why is is rape in this case, if you're conscious? Your statement back, I expect, is that you didn't choose to take the drug, whereas the alcohol was your choice to consume. (Socratic questioning is pretentious so I'm playing both sides here) So then we have a situation where the question is what you chose to consume: what if you were given a drink with three shots when you asked for one? What …
/r/MensRights18/12/10 05:50 AM
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Where's line between someone who is passed out, someone who is about to pass out (way out of it), and someone who is tipsy? Where does the person lose the ability to give consent?
/r/MensRights18/12/10 05:01 AM
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That consent when drunk = consent when sober?
/r/MensRights18/12/10 03:53 AM
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Yes, I know all of this. My point is that someone at blackout levels (functioning but won't remember) is so drunked up that he or she can't give legal consent to anything, so any sex should be agreed upon before people get fucked up.
/r/MensRights18/12/10 03:10 AM
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Nope; enlighten me? I've typically been pretty good at avoiding anything close to a hangover.
/r/MensRights18/12/10 02:47 AM
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So the black out can happen concurrently with the sex.
/r/MensRights18/12/10 02:27 AM
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So here's my question: let's say that someone is passed out on a bed and someone has sex with them. I think we can agree that's rape, right? Now, let's say they're almost passed out. Still rape? Where's the line between conscious enough to consent and too unconscious?
/r/MensRights18/12/10 02:23 AM
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Thanks.
/r/MensRights18/12/10 02:21 AM
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Molestation is a horrible thing, but it's not what we're talking about. We're talking about rape. We're talking about forcing someone to have sex with you, something the two guys did, and something the guy did on the boat. I don't understand what isn't clear to you about this - THEY SAID NO. THEY PHYSICALLY RESISTED. And they were still raped. You would have us all believe that no adult can be a victim of true rape, it seems, or only the rapes that occur when someone leaps out of the bushes. You…
/r/MensRights18/12/10 02:20 AM
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Troll.
/r/MensRights18/12/10 02:08 AM
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I need to sleep; will come back in the morning.
/r/MensRights17/12/10 05:44 AM
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Blacking out doesn't mean you're unconscious......it means you won't remember anything of it.
/r/MensRights17/12/10 05:44 AM
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And if you're conscious you can always not give consent. So here's my point: I think that if someone is black-out drunk, it is equivalent to having been given a date-drape drug: you can't give consent, and if someone has sex with you, that's rape. It's each person's responsibility to be sure that the person you're having sex with is in their right mind and has given consent.
/r/MensRights17/12/10 05:29 AM
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First, I'd like to point out that you are out of step with people who think saying "no" isn't enough: http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/eg6be/my_coworker_told_me_he_raped_his_girlfriend_what/ Second, rape is sex without consent. If you get roofied (given a date-rape drug), you can't give consent either. In these situations, consciousness isn't sufficient. So our opinions diverge, I think, on if being blackout drunk also makes it so that you can't give consent.
/r/MensRights17/12/10 05:19 AM
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So she regretted it... Does everyone who regrets it qualify as being raped then? Nope. Consciousness is quite important yes. So if you're conscious, and someone takes off your clothes and has sex with you, it's only rape if you say "no?"
/r/MensRights17/12/10 05:08 AM
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Fuck no. This is an anon account.
/r/MensRights17/12/10 05:02 AM
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R/MR has cited the research showing at least half of all rape accusations are false plenty of times. Bullshit. R/MR has cited research about accusations made to cops, not to hotlines (which aren't really accusations - no one calls us and reports a name). She was so drunk she blacked out, but so sober she remembers not consenting? Shut it. She was drunk and had consensual sex. I find it very odd that you're taking my shortened version of a long narrative to tell me that the long narrative is an u…
/r/MensRights17/12/10 05:01 AM
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Ok, I'll go with that. Much more than the 1 in 100 elsewhere on the thread.
/r/MensRights17/12/10 04:56 AM
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Sorry - I should be clear. She was blacked out and incapacitated - does not remember what happened on the bed but does remember not wanting him to come into the apartment. What's the difference you see between a blackout person laying on a bed having sex with someone and a passed out person on a bed having sex? That one person can say no?
/r/MensRights17/12/10 04:55 AM
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Ok, so let me get this straight: Having sex with someone who is blackout drunk, who is passed out on a bed, is a-ok in your book?
/r/MensRights17/12/10 04:43 AM
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No worries; I've seen worse. Just was very odd to have that particular charge leveled for what I said here.
/r/MensRights17/12/10 04:42 AM
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Walking on pavement is different than having sex. At least, that's been my impression. Let's set the question aside as to if the drunk person alleging rape is responsible, male or female, to first look at this: does the person "walking on the sidewalk" have any responsibility, it your mind?
/r/MensRights17/12/10 04:31 AM
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Thanks, hadn't seen this. Do you agree with the 1 in 6 statistic for men and women?
/r/MensRights17/12/10 04:29 AM
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Hi Kloo. That's actually one of the reasons I submitted the above. I know that 1 in 4 is faulty - I want something to replace it with. The best I've seen so far here is a citation of a statistic asking about someone's most recent relationship, which isn't related at all. MRAQuoter seems to think that I'm a misandrist, though, which I would like to avoid giving any impression of. Did I go wrong in this thread? It went off track and I got pissed off when people started throwing around generalities…
/r/MensRights17/12/10 04:28 AM
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Are you concluding that my hotline's website only acknowledges "female victims and male perpetrators" because I didn't give you an instance of female on male rape? As others in this thread have stated, men are much less likely to report anything to a hotline.
/r/MensRights17/12/10 04:25 AM
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misandrist The fuck is this? Where is my misandry? Because I didn't give you a case that involved a guy? 1.6% of women reported being raped in their last relationship. Cite a real number that includes rapes that aren't in relationships, please. What made it rape? The fact they said she couldn't leave unless she had sex with them, and then pulled off all of her clothes before having sex with her. Not rape. She was drunk and had sex. She DID NOT CONSENT to having sex. She didn't want him in her ap…
/r/MensRights17/12/10 04:22 AM
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Really? So if I get hammered, it's my responsibility if someone else has sex with me? Or put another way: is there any way for someone NOT intending to have sex on a given night to get really drunk without being responsible if that person has sex? But this is so off-topic. This thread has failed - no one has given me any stats. Damn.
/r/MensRights17/12/10 03:50 AM
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Ok first, fuck off with the "if the sex wasn't amazing" bullshit. No one that my hotline deals with has that complaint. Had a drink and still consented - a drink doesn't impair your ability to consent. Getting blackout drunk does. I reject the idea that anyone can take someone who is blackout drunk and have sex with them without problems - I'm down with getting some when someone is blackout, but you need consent first. Here are the kind of rapes I'm talking about: * Girl is in unknown city, meet…
/r/MensRights17/12/10 03:49 AM
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Of what? You don't think using a date rape drug = rape? Men and women have both used alcohol to get people too drunk to give consent - in which case there's no consent. If you don't have consent from someone in their right mind, you don't have consent period. That's a law that makes complete sense to me.
/r/MensRights17/12/10 03:29 AM
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Ah, thanks.
/r/MensRights17/12/10 03:27 AM
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However if you want specific statistics, then go find them! Don't ask us to do your work for you. Sorry, but that's the title of the thread. I assumed that MR rights people, who constantly contest the National Institute of Justice, the US Department of Justice, and other results would have, or might have, a figure to push back with. The above stats are the gospel at my hotline. I can't replace them unless I have something to replace them with. Please excuse me for asking.
/r/MensRights17/12/10 03:25 AM
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I'm assuming that this study has problems with it though, right? Does the omission of the female-male stuff enough that it would otherwise equalize the rates?
/r/MensRights17/12/10 03:21 AM
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Er, that data is from interviews (I think) where they asked if the guy had ever used alcohol to get someone too drunk to say "no," or given someone a drugged drink (all past the statute of limitations). They found that most guys who had done this had done it to multiple women.
/r/MensRights17/12/10 03:18 AM
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I don't see the 2.1% and 1.6% in the PDF, just 2.8%. Help? Also, this seems to be asking about what happened within a relationship in a specific year - it would then ignore all non-relationship rapes, right?
/r/MensRights17/12/10 03:15 AM
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I said: The statistics that gave the 1 in 4 for women yielded 1 in 33 for men under the same conditions. You said: Probably because either the researcher or the men didn't give much credence to "A man was pressured therefore he was raped" I very much doubt that the researcher would draw different conclusions from the same question to men and women. If you're saying that men generally have a different definition of rape than women, then I'd like to see a citation. I'm sorry for venting on you, bu…
/r/MensRights17/12/10 03:12 AM
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Your top comment was: BTW, if you're on a Rape and Sexual Assault Hotline, then are you a resource for male survivors? By that I mean, if men who had been assaulted by women called, would you assume they were actually the rapist, re-traumatize them or otherwise belittle their experience? I wanted to emphasize that male survivors aren't necessarily all in the scenario you outlined (I didn't know you were referring to a specific instance). I don't re-traumatize or belittle anyone, regardless of th…
/r/MensRights17/12/10 03:09 AM
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That's awful.
/r/MensRights17/12/10 03:05 AM
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Sorry, but my stats education is making me a little indignant here. The stat in question (which is debunked by people in this subreddit, elsewhere) is that 1 in 4 women are rape victims. So if we take a cohort of 10 year olds, we can assume that none of them were rapes (though they might have been molested). A cohort of 15 year old will probably have a higher rate. A cohort of 20 year olds will have an even higher rate, with the rate from the 15 year olds added to whatever rapes occurred between…
/r/MensRights17/12/10 03:04 AM
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Aha - it's the Against Women (NVAW) Survey from 1996 or something. That produced the 1 in 4 and the 1 in 33.
/r/MensRights17/12/10 02:59 AM
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Where did the 1 in 4 come from? My impression is that 1 in 33 comes from the same source - not that it is true, but that the same study/methodology produced diff results. But I'm not sure, and I can't defend that number.
/r/MensRights17/12/10 02:56 AM
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[Citation please] This whole thread is frustrating because the only stat anyone has given is 1:100, apparently based on nothing.
/r/MensRights17/12/10 02:51 AM
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You asked about what I would do for male victims in the context of a female on male assault. The thing that I'm more likely to get called about is male on male. That's all I meant.
/r/MensRights17/12/10 02:51 AM
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Definitely possible. Can you think of a way to figure out how to get men as willing to report as women are beyond completely anonymous surveys?
/r/MensRights17/12/10 02:48 AM
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Thus the 1/4 ratio is maintained throughout all ages. By the logic you just gave, the rate would rise as people aged, right? What I meant was the the rate might vary geographically. And yes, what we've learned on the hotline is that it's generally a mix of guys who do it once with some who do it 2 or 3 times, with a lot who do it 7-10 times. So one guy might rape 10 different men or women.
/r/MensRights17/12/10 02:47 AM
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I am explicitly the primary resource for male survivors, and I treat people equally no matter their sex: I listen, provide options, and provide resources. Do you really think an MR subscriber would do any of the above? Female assaults on men definitely happen, but in our experience, they are rarer than male-on-male assaults.
/r/MensRights17/12/10 02:35 AM
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Well, not exactly, unless 1:4 is uniformly true across the country. I do know, for sure, that you know women who were raped. I had no idea about a lot of people until I went to a take back the night. Dude, there's no way to tell one way or the other. What do you think it is?
/r/MensRights17/12/10 02:33 AM
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Why do you think this? The statistics that gave the 1 in 4 for women yielded 1 in 33 for men under the same conditions.
/r/MensRights17/12/10 02:31 AM
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I don't know if cynical is the right word, but the rate is a hell of a lot higher than that where I am (in terms of what I know about, which can only be a fraction of the real number). Is that number from somewhere or your own suspicion?
/r/MensRights17/12/10 02:30 AM
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They don't tell the cops - they do tell friends and anonymous surveyors, or at least some do. It just strikes me as foolish to rail against a stat without some sort of positive evidence for another.
/r/MensRights17/12/10 12:00 AM
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That's a simplistic worldview, and if I've learned anything, it's that the world ain't ever that simple. Exhibit A: Go to Morocco
/r/MensRights16/12/10 03:24 AM
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Agreed - we vote with our feet when it comes to subreddits.
/r/MensRights29/11/10 02:43 PM
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2,245 readers 20,814 readers I know there're a multitude of subreddits, but that doesn't mean they are frequented...
/r/MensRights29/11/10 02:24 PM
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Pity there's no specific counterpart to TwoX though.
/r/MensRights29/11/10 02:10 PM
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The comment above wasn't that dismissive - there are guys here pissed because they gt hurt once or twice, but that doesn't preclude the people you're talking about.
/r/MensRights29/11/10 02:09 PM
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War isn't a word I throw around. You ever heard that Obama's a communist fascist?
/r/MensRights15/11/10 07:27 AM
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"Traitor?" I don't think there's a war going on....
/r/MensRights14/11/10 08:21 PM
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Props for taking the argument this far. Wolfsktaag, you're losing and have contradicted yourself at least once.
/r/MensRights05/11/10 05:48 AM
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Not only is this a bad survey, it also fails to give the stats for guys. How many guys would sleep with their female prof to pass?
/r/MensRights09/09/10 02:15 AM
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And so should be replaced with what? "You" causes ambiguity, "you'se guys" makes even less sense, and "you all" is two words, and therefore not a pronoun.
/r/MensRights30/08/10 03:43 PM
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crazy vegan bitches with bad haircuts and who smell like old cheese Because the same argument could be used to say that only cousin-marrying rednecks say y'all.
/r/MensRights30/08/10 03:26 AM
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No. That's slang. Correct usage: "all of y'all".
/r/MensRights30/08/10 03:24 AM
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I'd just like to meet one of these evil, penis exposing boys. I've met bad kids at age 4, but never misogynist kids at age 4....
/r/MensRights30/08/10 12:24 AM
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I take offense to that, if only because y'all is a real, valid pronoun and the same arguments are used against it and "womyn." If you know what the word means (for y'all: a true southerner's 2nd person plural nominative pronoun :D and for womyn: a certain kind of feminist's choice spelling of "women"), just let it drop.
/r/MensRights30/08/10 12:22 AM
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only threatening if you think it's wrong for a sexually mature male to have sex with a sexually mature female. Which is exactly how many people think. Some girls are starting puberty at age 8 now, you know.
/r/MensRights20/08/10 07:26 AM
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Essentially, having a black woman married to a white man while she calls another white man "sir" is a clear sign that Joss Whedon is an evil, awful person. You don't want to know more.
/r/MensRights15/08/10 01:07 AM
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That's legit, and such bullying is undeniable (like the crazy Joss Whedon hating blog post). I guess I'm hoping that we can ignore the crazys, since they can't be reached, instead of damaging relationships with thinking, rational people.
/r/MensRights14/08/10 11:44 PM
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You're right, that was an irresponsible hedge. I asked the one from upstairs and she's looking into it. But I haven't "proven your point," as your standard is of a "women's group" when there are mixed-gender, feminist groups that support equal rights. (the point being it's not just men) I would cite specifics but I want to retain anonymity.
/r/MensRights14/08/10 11:36 PM
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Alright. You have to show me the men's organization campaigning for increased women's rights, though.
/r/MensRights14/08/10 11:23 PM
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Are there health benefits of removing a clitoris? I don't know if its denial so much as ignorance, also.
/r/MensRights14/08/10 11:21 PM
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I'm circumcised and haven't had any of those issues. I'm sure you have legit problems, but I don't share you concern. BUT, I'm really sorry that you feel this way. Mine was done for health reasons involving avoiding infection.
/r/MensRights14/08/10 11:20 PM
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"feminists" By which you mean who? The feminist showering upstairs right now? The feminist group she's a part of? The national organization for women?
/r/MensRights14/08/10 11:14 PM
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Who gets to define "feminism?" Men's Rights people? Large feminist groups? The OP? Why can't we just forget the damn labels and talk about specific policies? I don't care what you call yourself; either you support legit child support and marriage policies or you don't.
/r/MensRights14/08/10 11:08 PM
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any female Any female? The OP is right there.
/r/MensRights14/08/10 11:02 PM
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every male there learns that you do NOT express any opinion about feminism that doesn't concede to the trope of men are oppressors and women are victims. Way to make a blanket statement. I am a male who has attended college, and who has expressed opinions counter to what you described. No one killed me. Stop being nonsensical and make real arguments, please. Men WERE oppressors, and women WERE victims. The current reality is different, but I don't think it's a clearcut case in any way. Even if e…
/r/MensRights14/08/10 11:01 PM
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My goodness, if everyone thinks that "feminists" can be described as one cohesive group, then you all need to step back and embrace complexity. The reason they are called "feminists" is historical, from when women were second-class citizens without a vote and subject to demeaning expectations and stereotypes.
/r/MensRights14/08/10 10:55 PM
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When you "Let the ruling class fight its own fucking battles," you end up with an army of people who can't afford another job: the ruling class isn't the one dying in these wars, impoverished citizens are. The way to stop idiot war decisions is to get American off of its ass; if that means a draft then I'm all for it.
/r/MensRights14/08/10 10:52 PM
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Whew. Thanks for writing. First & most important thing: who have you talked to about this? Go see a damn counselor, or a pastor, or someone with some training to listen to you. It doesn't have to be a $500/hr psychologist, just someone who will have a healthy, friendly relationship with that allows you to be honest. And yes, that shit works, though for reasons you'll have to PM me about if curious. Second, I'm so so sorry you had such a bad mother. Sucky parents are universal problems, though no…
/r/MensRights10/08/10 07:03 AM
1

As a pragmatic matter, I don't really see a way to reveal her identity without opening the door to lots of problems on the other side.
/r/MensRights10/08/10 06:19 AM
1

Wait wait wait, are you actually advocating that a certain class of people are more dominant than others, according to something that correlates with the amount of melatonin in your skin? You have no understanding of the word "privileged" as I use it, since you equate it with corruption and semi-legality and I mean it to refer to freedom from the attitudes of racists like yourself. And the thing that you will never understand (since I bet that you, like me, must be a white male) is that treating…
/r/MensRights06/08/10 03:25 AM
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White me are not "the most privileged people", they are simply the most accomplished people. And what you don't get is that the two things are, to me, synonymous. but I deleted the comments because you can't prove anything on this subject and it's a pointless conversation that doesn't help anything. I shouldn't have weighed in at all.
/r/MensRights05/08/10 10:52 PM
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Out of curiosity, what's the breakdown for all of the recipients? http://www.awardsandhonors.com/award/presidentialcitizensmedal.html
/r/MensRights05/08/10 05:23 AM
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facepalm Has anyone ever considered that he's a fairly regular guy just like all of our other leaders in extraordinary situations. Fairly able, yes, but not a saint or a nazi.
/r/MensRights05/08/10 05:20 AM
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Is lily ledbetter really so easy to criticize? That particular case seems open-and-shut inequality. Same thing should go to Jimmy Fallon's stage manager.
/r/MensRights05/08/10 05:18 AM
1

I think I said the same in another comment somewhere - what would you call it, then?
/r/MensRights03/08/10 02:53 AM
1

And from the same site, one paragraph down: According to enrichment journal on the divorce rate in America: The divorce rate in America for first marriage is 41% The divorce rate in America for second marriage is 60% The divorce rate in America for third marriage is 73% I can't find the original stource for either stat, but accusing me of being misleading when you quote one of two stats on the page seems abit disingenuous.
/r/MensRights03/08/10 02:52 AM
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Couldn't you claim that different outcomes in different places for the same situation is also inherently unjust? I mean, an arbitrary line does have those flaws, but at least you can have a definate idea about when you're in the clear.
/r/MensRights02/08/10 04:23 AM
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I like all of the quotes. The problem with statutory rape is that we have to draw a line somewhere between where it's ok and where it's not. No matter where that line is, there will be people on the upper-side who aren't as mature as they should be, and for whom the law is intended, and people on the lower-side who are more mature for their age, and to whom the law applies when it should not.
/r/MensRights01/08/10 10:26 PM
1

Oh I like that last sentence. and I didn't downvote you, btw.
/r/MensRights01/08/10 09:04 PM
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Fine, random white/black on the street. You shouldn't feel any different approaching one than the other; you unknowingly communicate this and it is harmful and racist to the black person. For the mall example: I would much prefer that my child find someone in a uniform in a store, or in mall security. Short of that, I would want my child to find someone else with a child. I don't really feel like I would trust a childless female sopping alone over a childless male shopping alone. You have a poin…
/r/MensRights01/08/10 08:48 PM
1

Well yes, but that just moves the bell curve in relation to one another. There are no cast-iron rules.
/r/MensRights01/08/10 07:31 PM
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Well yes. It's also true that statistically, male blacks are more likely to be/have been in jail, but that doesn't mean you get to assume that random black guy in your office is more likely to steal from you than random white guy. Applying general trends to a person violates the ethic of treating people for who they are.
/r/MensRights01/08/10 07:30 PM
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Weeee semantics. Your quote was "absence of proof of consent?" This suggests a construct where, unless there is proof that consent was given, the sex act is presumed to be rape. My construct was if the lack of consent was proven. So in a neutral situation with no proof of anything, I would interpret a "absence of proof of consent" standard with guilt, but an "proven absence of consent" as innocence. I'm not sure how to explain that better. If a couple willingly have sex, but never verbally agree…
/r/MensRights01/08/10 02:50 AM
1

Would you choose to convict based on an absence of proof of consent? Fair enough. The answer to that is no. I would be legally able to convict if an absence of consent was proven, but you don't have to get written confirmation each time you have sex in order to avoid the long arm of the law. And you are completely correct about the variance between states. The Georgia statute is a little scary; I could interpret forcibly as "he does it" and against her will as "she testified she didn't want him …
/r/MensRights01/08/10 02:05 AM
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Gotcha; I thought you meant sexual history mattered as a part of legal aspect, than the human jury aspect.
/r/MensRights31/07/10 11:19 PM
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So how would you draw the legal line? I don't mean that rhetorically; the current law has all sorts of issues but I can't think of anything to replace it with.
/r/MensRights31/07/10 11:18 PM
2

I'll grant that if the commenter above was referring to getting consent multiple times in this situation, I overreacted. I was taking that as a general rule (ie, sex on wednesday permits sex on saturday) And thanks for explaining yourself.
/r/MensRights31/07/10 08:12 PM
2

And consent is not tied to emotion.
/r/MensRights31/07/10 08:10 PM
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it's pretty clear that YOU do not regard it as attempted murder. Still is attempted murder. the perception of the victim changes the basic fact of whether a crime was committed. It does not. The perception of the victim matters in terms of what gets remembered and "remembered" at trial. Kids, for example, can easily convince themselves of a false memory if you prod them a bit. But it's only a very imperfect means to an end. But if there's full evidence of the whole act - every word and such, the…
/r/MensRights31/07/10 08:09 PM
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of course her sexual history would figure in there Why would it? Is it only rape if she's a virgin? And I'm not saying that deception makes it legally rape, only that deception isn't a morally neutral thing.
/r/MensRights31/07/10 08:03 PM
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Do we know that she didn't say "stop that?" But your point is valid.
/r/MensRights31/07/10 07:59 PM
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The parent comment said that "You should not have to formally ask a woman for her fucking consent every time you have sex with her" - that's what I took issue with. In this case, if it was anal, I don't think it's rape, persay, but permission to have sex isn't the same thing as permission for anal. It's gray. Also, GJ to MR for downvoting against Redditquette. I'm pretty sure that comment above contributed to the discussion, if not to your opinions.
/r/MensRights31/07/10 12:14 PM
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Rape is not a discreet, definable act - it's rather a carefully arrived at subjective summation regarding a complex series of events. I agree. Crazy thing is how everyone pictures "rapist" to be some rando in an alley when the overwhelming majority of unambiguous rapes happen with people who know each other. I'd question the idea that deception can be "benign," unless you're referring to statements about STD's and so forth, unless there's a situation where the greater good requires seduction (ie…
/r/MensRights31/07/10 12:10 PM
1

It's shocking that the sexual revolution changed nothing. Which sucks, since that exact shit happened to a friend of mine until she got over her pride and got herself to a battered women's shelter after months. The really sad part is how so many states' laws indicate "rape" upon "rape" because of laws that say you can't give consent with alcohol, but the people who actually get raped (and I know some) still can't bring themselves to tear apart their social network by coming forward. The law is a…
/r/MensRights31/07/10 11:23 AM
2

Slightly misleading. 40% of all marriages (the ones most of us talk about) end in divorce. The rate gets pulled up by the repeat offenders.
/r/MensRights31/07/10 11:16 AM
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If you want to make a systemic statement that women as a whole have privilege over men, I'm really not buying it. VAWA and divorce precedent are just two parts of a hugely complex system of correlations and patterns with so many moving parts that anyone can find evidence of anything.
/r/MensRights31/07/10 11:13 AM
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That ain't the case in the above. Also, way to insult the top commenter by assuming virginity. I've never had anyone make up a story, possibly because I respect others' relationships.
/r/MensRights31/07/10 11:06 AM
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News don't pay.
/r/MensRights31/07/10 11:03 AM
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Until 1993, rape laws in some states exempted all husbands from prosecution. Hell, it used to be the case that denying your husband sex was grounds for divorce and lifelong poverty.
/r/MensRights31/07/10 11:03 AM
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You should not have to formally ask a woman for her fucking consent every time you have sex with her. So what would be your alternative legal standard? Is the person being raped obligated to verbally resist? Physically resist? Call for help? Be under duress/threat? Let's say that I beat my girlfriend up and then when she's lying on her bed, come in and start to have sex with her without a word. Is she supposed to say "no" for it to be rape, even if there's a risk that hearing "no" will start me …
/r/MensRights31/07/10 10:59 AM
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Wait wait wait, so if you aren't pissed off that someone tries to shoot you, it's not attempted murder? Sorry, but you can't redefine law according to how pissed off she was or wasn't. I'll grant that her pressing charges is pretty ridiculous, and that a DA (in the US) would be within his/her rights not to prosecute, AND that a jury might be justified in nullifying, but the legal outcome is legit.
/r/MensRights31/07/10 10:49 AM
2

I don't think so - 16 year olds can get busted for distributing their own pics.
/r/MensRights30/07/10 04:40 AM
1

Yes.
/r/MensRights30/07/10 02:45 AM
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WTF? Showing off nude pics that were private to your co-workers is harmless? I'm not saying it's child pornography (though it is, legally), but it is fucked up.
/r/MensRights30/07/10 02:44 AM
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Why do we have to identify ANY traits as "male" or "female?" Men and women can be all of these things - I see no reason to place any of these words on a pedestal.
/r/MensRights25/07/10 01:06 AM
5

Stop calling men who enjoy being men, brutes or monsters. What's "being a man?"
/r/MensRights16/07/10 10:04 PM
5

Racism = fail.
/r/MensRights16/07/10 10:04 PM
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Thanks! & But, if you can get the person to stop being violent, then no violence is needed on your part.
/r/MensRights16/07/10 06:53 PM
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A few things to clarify: What is "violence?" You probably mean physical contact, but it is any? Or just enough to leave a mark? Or possibly, enough to force someone to move their hand or body? What's "full strength?" Are you saying it's enough to knock someone down? Enough to maim or serious hurt? I think we'd agree that the proper response to someone hitting you is not to stick them with a knife once, right? But to answer your question: I believe any violence should be proportionate to the viol…
/r/MensRights16/07/10 06:32 PM
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The study explicitly interviewed a sample of all Americans between 18 and 28. You can't use people born in one decade to represent those born in another. I'm not talking about the sampling rate (you reply was about the small% that is statistically accurate versus the 100% of the census), but rather the sampling metrics (who they talk to).
/r/MensRights16/07/10 04:51 PM
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one might be defending themsevles against the attack. .....an attack that is..... DV. GJ.
/r/MensRights16/07/10 12:15 PM
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Your misleading title undercuts your point. For people ages 18-28...... When the violence was one-sided, both women and men said that women were the perpetrators about 70% of the time. It's not 70% of "all domestic violence." Find a study that talks about everyone then get back to me.
/r/MensRights16/07/10 11:12 AM
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We're talking about Ronaldo, someone who I'm much more familiar with him than an anonymous 25 year old in the US. I have no idea what "all men" would do. Furthermore, your attempt to point out a stereotype by me seems to acknowledgment that you have no argument against my point. Have a pleasant day.
/r/MensRights07/07/10 08:49 PM
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Given that it's well documented that women weren't paid the same for equal work in 1979 (different than modern comparisions across the workforce), this chart is useless for anything other than examining the rise of income inequality.
/r/MensRights07/07/10 08:22 PM
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And thus lvprox claimed to know what "all women" do. If you don't like it when guys get stereotyped; don't do it yourself. Ever think that she might be a rational person? I'm sure he compensated her for the trouble, and she (surprise!) might not want a kid right now.
/r/MensRights07/07/10 08:18 PM
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Article doesn't support title. He made a deal with the child's mother, yes, but there's no indication that the deal was made before she was pregnant. I would think it much more likely that she and him agreed it would be best for her to stay out of the spotlight. But that doesn't mean he wanted to become a single dad; just that he didn't want to do it with someone in another country.
/r/MensRights07/07/10 09:58 AM
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All under the same category - typing (and thinking) too fast.
/r/MensRights06/07/10 05:36 PM
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And replay isn't reply..... please forgive my horrible lack of grammar!
/r/MensRights06/07/10 05:01 AM
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My bad, I was off by a few points: http://www.usatoday.com/news/education/2010-01-26-genderequity26_ST_N.htm http://articles.latimes.com/2010/jan/25/opinion/la-ed-gender25-2010jan25 http://chronicle.com/article/Female-Undergraduates-Continue/63726/
/r/MensRights06/07/10 12:19 AM
1

Current ratio of BAs in the us, men to women: 2:3. If you want a cite, replay and I'll give it.
/r/MensRights06/07/10 12:09 AM
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....and you base this on what? I can claim at least some familiarity with public education in my neck of the US, and it ain't state mandated propaganda training in the slightest. I've also done research into education, and the stuff people are not doing these days is much easier than the stuff required back in the day. Part of that it not needing to know the calculations to work a slide rule, but you can't blame state curricula alone.
/r/MensRights06/07/10 12:08 AM
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DO NOT SIGN. Write your daughter letters & do other things that show you are interested in being a father. Continue to request chances to see her (knowing that you'll be turned down). Make a written paper trail of you trying your damndest to be her father. Because in a few years, she's going to be a teenager, and she and her mom will fight, and she'll be curious, and she'll likely get in touch, or at the very least, you'll be in touch with her. That's your chance, I think. But I would still writ…
/r/MensRights28/06/10 04:37 AM
1

Wow. I guess I've just avoided that kind of environment.
/r/MensRights25/06/10 12:40 AM
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Nope! Much less interesting than posting the same thing on DailyKos and RedState. Accused of trolldom from both sides.
/r/MensRights25/06/10 12:39 AM
1

because of affirmative action that male applicants of lower quality were being admitted as there was a disproportionately large female student body? I did miss that article, but I know that that is what's going on. I was asking if you support current policy. There is a difference between a male who does poorly and someone who gets suspended. I don't think the issue is about guys who flunk; rather, about guys who just aren't as good, on paper, as the female applicants. Mainly, though, I was confu…
/r/MensRights24/06/10 05:27 AM
1

That's a causation that I don't think can really be proven. Did the all male prep-schools and colleges lead to highly entitled men? I would argue that the issues of the sexists are correlated, but not caused. Moreover, I think that even in a 90:10 ration campus, you'll get exposure to both sexes; the issue is more much when considering monogamy.
/r/MensRights24/06/10 05:25 AM
1

Wait wait what? I thought the US is about opportunity. Everyone has the same opportunity to get a high GPA, do EC's, etc. It's not like there are guys out there who are trying to do the right stuff but aren't let in. It's that guys aren't doing the stuff. Also, I think this is mainly an issue with private, selective colleges, not public ones. Are you saying we need to practice affirmative action for guys?
/r/MensRights24/06/10 04:15 AM
1

So where's the line when you need another guy in order to protect the experience of the gals you do admit?
/r/MensRights24/06/10 04:12 AM
2

Yeah - I wanted to see what I'd get from people of every perspective...
/r/MensRights24/06/10 04:09 AM
8

Try 60:40. That's a big difference.
/r/MensRights23/06/10 06:44 AM
0

Protagonists + Antagonists is not the same as "full of nothing but idiots."
/r/MensRights21/06/10 12:04 AM
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Male protagonists + Male antagonists = male dominated movie = point against you.
/r/MensRights19/06/10 03:47 AM
1

I'm not talking about pedophilia; I'm talking about taking a child out of the building you found that child in without cause. That's the offense.
/r/MensRights18/06/10 01:06 AM
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Obviously not a rapist, but legally, I get where this is going. Let's say that someone who IS a child predator comes into a store, finds a 3 year old, and leads them out of the store, but stops at the entrance. That's criminal (or at least, I would hope it'd be enough to prosecute for kidnapping), but there aren't many differences from a legal rights standpoint between what I wrote and the above. You don't get points with a jury for being with your mom, having a clean record, being of a certain …
/r/MensRights15/06/10 11:41 PM
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Agreed.
/r/MensRights28/05/10 08:26 PM
1

Every single person I know (male or female) who has been raped has not reported it to the cops, because they knew the attacker and didn't want to confront it. The sample size is also irrelevant to the statistical validity; 8000 is plenty. Take the low side of the confidence interval and it's still REALLY high.
/r/MensRights28/05/10 08:26 PM
1

http://www.ncjrs.gov/txtfiles/172837.txt --Using a definition of rape that includes forced vaginal, oral, and anal intercourse, the survey found that rape is a crime committed primarily against youth: 18 percent of women surveyed said they experienced a completed or attempted rape at some time in their life and 0.3 percent said they experienced a completed or attempted rape in the previous 12 months. Of the women who reported being raped at some time in their lives, 22 percent were under 12 year…
/r/MensRights27/05/10 06:11 PM
4

Or is that talking about how women wearing revealing clothing don't get sympathy after a rape? Or how a guy beating up a girl with a low-cut top typically doesn't get bothered, when a girl wearing conservative clothing gets an instant response from strangers?
/r/MensRights27/05/10 08:29 AM
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Real oppression happens to women; like rape, DV, etc but only to a small percentage. I live in a pretty local community; I know a lot of people. The number of people I knew, and knew well, who spoke at a Take Back the Night shocked me. Stories of rape here, rape abroad, rape after prom. Dude, I know my perception didn't match the reality, and while the stats (1 in 4, 1 in 8, etc) seem really high, I can believe them now. Most women only have to overcome simple day-to-day difficulties; like someo…
/r/MensRights27/05/10 08:27 AM
0

It's a common prejudice, shared by both genders. Not privilege. I'd disagree if I thought the two were equal, but I know many more women who place more stock in men's thoughts than men who place more stock in women's thoughts. You are correct in that my maleness allows me to relate to males more, but that shouldn't mean that my words should get any presumptive general bias (which I think exists). (most of which actually tried really hard to get that attention). Stereotype much? Dressing a certai…
/r/MensRights27/05/10 08:23 AM
0

I've always wondered what it would be like myself.
/r/MensRights27/05/10 08:03 AM
1

Well, you don't need to get your house, kids, or future bound up. Separate bank accounts, separate houses, and pre-nupts for joint custody will do you just fine.
/r/MensRights26/05/10 08:17 PM
0

http://www.divorcereform.org/nyt05.html
/r/MensRights26/05/10 08:08 PM
2

First, half of women don't get divorced. It's about 40% Second, I very much doubt that more than a tiny percentage of divorces end with what you describe...got some stats?
/r/MensRights26/05/10 07:24 PM
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What people are interested in reading about may not match reality. That's not to suggest that I know any more than you, but that your data isn't from the best source... I would also wonder about the prevalence of the horrible things that happen to some guys. I know lots of women who have dealt with worse than "dress codes, cat calls and sexual harassment," (rape, also), and not a single guy who had issues with the statutory rape business, because sanity prevailed. EDIT: Clarity on rape.
/r/MensRights26/05/10 07:07 PM
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Whoa dude. Well, maybe what they're really upset about is their more attractive female counterparts? I never suggested anyone was upset. Why are you assuming emotions/"upsetness" in these women" I still haven't seen anything that suggest being and ugly dude provides more work related privileged (in the US) than being an ugly chick. I didn't say that either. I said that the privileged person here is the sexy flirtatious woman, and that everyone else (all men, all not-the-above women) are in the s…
/r/MensRights26/05/10 06:49 PM
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Guy here. Does the fact that I'm a guy make my points stronger or more salient to you? If so, that's male privilege. And upfront, let me also state clearly that there is such a thing as female privilege. What the hell is "male privilege"? And how does it compare to "female privilege"? Can you prove that men have more privileges today than women? I doubt it! Male Privilege is not getting catcalled on the street. Male Privilege is not getting an offer for "a ride" from some creepy people when you …
/r/MensRights26/05/10 06:45 PM
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I think the scenario you just outlined is horrible, but I think the people with the privilege here are hot and sexy women. There are a lot of other women who lack the same privileges you're attacking.
/r/MensRights26/05/10 06:20 PM
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Disagree on principle - kids are not adults.
/r/MensRights21/04/10 10:42 PM
1

I think they ARE taking place, as we speak.
/r/MensRights18/04/10 07:45 PM
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Stereotype much? I know lots of self-ID'd feminists who don't. So your point is moot. EDIT: Ah, thanks for edit.
/r/MensRights17/04/10 09:29 PM
2

Well, I take issue with your premises, but assuming that marriage is on the way out, I'm not at all surprised. We already have a growing culture of sharing a bed, bodies, and finances without the legal contract of marriage, and people are already raising kids. So I think you're talking about a long term adult relationship, really. If you think we need another legal format, I think you'd be off. PS: I'm a guy.
/r/MensRights17/04/10 09:27 PM
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Actually, my experience is that feminists hate the "stranger rape" stereotype, because it de-classifies the majority of rapes (done by people known by the victim) and makes reporting/therapy much harder, even though the experience is still really damaging (and possibly, even more so because the two knew/know each other).
/r/MensRights12/04/10 04:30 AM
3

If I had lent you $1000 50 years ago, and you never repaid, I'm not just out the $1000, but also the interest I could have earned saving/investing that. Her point is that it's a straight-up debt, and should be treated like any other one.
/r/MensRights07/04/10 02:24 AM
3

You're missing the point. Child Support is for expenditures made on behalf of a child. (Which is why it's so sick when people receiving that money spend more of it on themselves than their children.) She forked over that money already, for his clothes, his school supplies, his food, etc, and that money should have come from him. It's a debt to HER, because she spent the money.
/r/MensRights06/04/10 10:39 PM
3

I'd need to see the statistics for ALL single parents, and then compare using the ratio of male/female single parents, if we're going to compare the sexes.
/r/MensRights06/04/10 10:36 PM
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Rapists being predominantly men doesn't stop people from vilifying men as a group for the actions of a few. False comparison. The population of single parents is heavily biased towards women. The population of adults is not.
/r/MensRights06/04/10 10:35 PM
2

If consent includes a specific condition that a condom is included, than I think you could make the case that it was rape. If consent was given with the assumption that there would be a condom, then it's a dick move that might be reckless endangerment?
/r/MensRights06/04/10 10:32 PM
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