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Good point, they both breath oxygen.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 02:25 PM
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Not to defend them, but women can be slutty and picky if they want, often with different categories of men. Men usually don't even have that option, not even top men as much as women.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 01:42 PM
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Literally letting herself go. Women are born sexually wealthy and they find a way to fuck it up, even living in tutorial mode for dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 01:25 PM
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the REAL blackpill is that personality isn't as fluid as people think. DELEEEET AAAAAAAAAAAA
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 08:40 PM
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Agreed. We are still waiting to see how a country that is 80% retired is kept by a barely 10% population working. I doubt younger people will even work if they have to care for that shitload of people, they rather will let them die beside and rotten alone, maybe their own parents. It will be a purge that will take generations and it will be ugly. I cannot even imagine. A part of me want to have children to fight that trend, but also I would be bringing them to this demographic hell that is comin…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 08:32 PM
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The sad thing is that probably they will not suffer the consequences of their decisions at their face psychological value. They will never admit they are wrong and they will attribute any depression and nihilism to just men being immature. They will probably keep poisoning younger women on their failed ideology. Older women today are full of psychiatric drugs, so they will just use antidepressants and pretend all is fine and write articles about how happy single old women are.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 07:45 PM
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When you're truly unsuccessful with women there is a good chance you are generally unsuccessful with life or relationships as well. So you might have some job you don't really care about either way, and no friends or family that you really care for. I actually think that the digital revolution broke that. For example, most manual jobs in the past required men to be somehow fit and healthy, as the job was intensive. Even high politicians' drew the manual worker with a hammer as the ideal worker a…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 07:44 PM
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I'd say women put a floor on all of those characteristics, you need a minimum of looks, money, status, etc. Then they multiply those variables and then they compare you to other guys. Most single guys don't even get to that stage to be even an option.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 07:37 PM
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We need to put lithium on the water ASAP.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 07:24 PM
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In my country the most awkward guys are the "progressive" woke ones. I suspect it depends on the place... in the city the cringe is on the right wingers as the city is often more progressive, but elsewhere it seems that progressive attitudes are seen as too preachy and people who attach to them usually are those who spend lots of time online and have little social life.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 07:07 PM
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Same, I do better socially when I'm a little drunk. The only problem is that I have no friends so I look very awkward going out to a bar on my own. Anyway, I'm too old to fix that, it is probably better to focus on finding pleasure and peace elsewhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 06:53 PM
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I think you are talking of blackpillers. Redpillers are often very utilitarian in their dating skills and the behaviors and styles they promote are the stuff women like. They are just conscious about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 06:51 PM
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And I actually think personality may be the quality where surplus value gives you the most bang for your buck and hits diminishing returns the least. Yes, men have to be utilitarian. Forget about love, family, friends, or shit like that as a goal. Just give your best face and enjoy the pleasures of life the best you can. Don't expect any depth or meaning in life beside stuff you can control or your own beliefs and philosophy, but if it comes anyway from others don't be too stupid to mess it up.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 06:48 PM
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By your mid to late twenties, if you haven't normally socialized for the past decade, you are SO far out with your behavior and personality, that people will reject you as weird, creepy, unpredictable, mean, unempathic, and possibly dangerous. [...] Something is off and you don't want to have anything to do with them. Nobody will give them the chance to get that social adaptation past a certain Totally agree, that is my experience. Thanks God I don't rely on people socially as much, and I never …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 06:42 PM
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I'd say men add features of women, so she may be attractive by just having one very desirable trait. Meanwhile, women multiply features of men... if one is zero, it is over.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 06:38 PM
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If I was you, I would probably testing a different antidepressant or psychedelic drug every month until I find something that works. You have the hardware, just hack the software. I wish you the best, bro.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 06:33 PM
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You are right, it is a blind spot. Plenty of people don't know everyone in the office hates them or why don't they have any friends. I guess it makes the issue even worse and their personality becomes even more delusional, so the problem gets even worse if they do not interact with others.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 06:30 PM
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I never claimed it was an utopia, though. Just proves that those communities can work and do stuff collectively, and be very successful if there is a mission.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 06:05 PM
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Maybe, being attractive helps a lot, but honestly these days I'm considering the bluepill argument of personality. Since only 5% of autistic men ever marry, although they are not more ugly than average, that implies that personality issues do affect a lot, at least for long term relationships. Sure, autism is a very extreme example, but many men now are somehow autistic or have autistic traits, and I suspect the trend will just keep going up.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 06:04 PM
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Women aren't living off your horniness, we're living in a world where behaving virtuously is done because it is the correct thing to do. Women don't do for men even a tenth of what men do for them, though. This is clearly an imbalance caused by sexual dynamics. Also people will not spend time and resources helping you (more than just giving you some information or stuff such as calling the police) if they are not getting something out of it, at least the possibility or the ego boost. Women illus…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 06:00 PM
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How is it sad to be happy with a minimum? No strings attached, able to move anywhere. The sad thing is depending on all that trash to be happy, such as women getting a man that cheats on them but at least he has money. Women love hoarding stuff, see their big purses. That suggests they are very materialistic and hedonism just make you dependent on stuff you don't really need.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 05:59 PM
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being capable of raising the child themselves without the need for a man to provide since they're doing it themselves now, so commitment from attractive men isn't really a part that needs to be considered anymore. I suspect that is not the best for the kid. If a male he is most likely to rise as an incel or a criminal with no father to look up to, and if a daughter, well, a whore. In a sense this arrangement just benefits top men even more.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 05:53 PM
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I'm sure most of those kids are not orphans. The mother shall share more time with the father rising it, instead using separation as a weapon against her ex. Meanwhile, there is no lack of men wanting to date single moms, pussy is the most valuable thing in the universe (the disadvantage is the implications attached to it), but women don't want those men. They want a rich guy without kids on his own, or with a high-income job, not bald, etc. They put their sexual needs over their kids well being…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 04:27 PM
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Rising a kid without a father is not rising it well, it is rising a kid that is most likely to be a criminal or prostitute compared to kids in normal homes. It is also extremely selfish for a woman to assume she can do it alone, and having it without a stable family structure in place is by itself a moral concern.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 04:23 PM
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You are right. I think contemporary civilization basically destroyed all sociological models we had. Just 25 years ago almost all experts agreed that men having less sex would imply more crime and war, and now we are at that point of less sex than ever for young men, but without the crime is lowest than ever. Deep technological changes are too new. Maybe in a few centuries we will have a better sample to predict stuff, but so far, we are in a blind spot.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 02:23 PM
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Eventually, the parasitic ideas that encouraged everyone not to reproduce will be out populated by philosophies that can reproduce. I agree. I think it currently is happening in Europe, as Muslims are more likely to reproduce. Sure, many muslims became atheist or adopted Western ways, but on average they are more traditional and have more children.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 02:15 PM
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Sure, also tigers, bears, natural disasters, risky jobs, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 02:14 PM
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Yes, but let me give other example. Women now look for top 20% of men by wealth, but it is ironic as they are more free and independent now. So the least they need men, the most picky they become. I wonder if the reason is that staying alone is not so bad for them anymore. Independence makes people (especially women) more picky on traits that would imply survival when surviving ironically is not urgent anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 02:03 PM
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Yes, evil patriarchy put those pipes.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 01:57 PM
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I'd say most people want to eventually have children, but maybe you are right and new generations will be antinatalists.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 01:54 PM
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If you gonna have a separate community you need protection. You cannot assume everyone else will respect your values.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 01:53 PM
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If you don't see the importance and fundamental need for music and art in society there is so helping you. I see the importance, but it is not something people really rely on, they will not starve if there is no music from Benda.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 01:38 PM
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Sad, but gospel truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 01:33 PM
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Maybe because men are not the ones complaining? At best when they complain about women is because they cannot get a good one.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 01:31 PM
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Eventually one of you will get a man and it all will fall down.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 01:30 PM
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Military communities are often male only and they work pretty well and they are efficient. Sure, they are temporal communities and they know they need women, but they work.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 01:29 PM
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women need men to protect them from men Women are not able to use a gun? Wow, absolute retardation if that is the case, because you will also need protection from animals such as bears, tigers, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 01:28 PM
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So women cannot protect themselves? Or suddenly separationism is about genocide somehow?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 01:27 PM
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The author postulated that the power struggles and material covetousness that they experienced were due to "internalized patriarchal values" that the women imported into the communes with them. In other words, "ITS MEN FAULT OUR COMMUNITIES ARE SHIT."
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 01:13 PM
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They kinda have it already. They can perfectly live using only services and products made by men.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 01:12 PM
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They literally can't. Meanwhile, military camps and such have proven male only communities can work for a while and do great things.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 01:10 PM
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Yes, and I find it quite interesting how important height becomes precisely when it is the least relevant for protection thanks to guns. It transitioned from a survival trait to a sexual trait, just like big boobs for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 01:09 PM
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But being a good man doesn't mean he's attractive to women. To be marriageable, he has to be attractive. To be attractive, he has to be charming, mysterious, funny etc. You are right, they also probably end up leaving her with a bastard and she looking for a replacement father, creating basically a fatherless autist boy or whoring daughter, but at least she got fun.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 01:07 PM
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You guys really haven't met the right women yet but you will. I believe eventually everyone finds someone but because lack of real social structures it may be too late for a family. Men are also not very romantic in older relationships because what is the point?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 01:06 PM
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Lots of women don't want this attention. But they do enjoy the privilege.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 01:05 PM
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That is exactly the solution I was thinking about, but I suspect childfree redditors will hate it. However, it is the only solution because I don't think a minority of younger people will be able or even willing to keep a 70% geriatric population. They would support at best their own parents and close family, but that's all. It will be interesting to watch, probably MAID programs like in Canada will be deployed.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 01:04 PM
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Well, you are just rising just a loser man if you have a boy. Boys without fathers become criminals, or never really grow up. To rise their own bastards, women love sucking resources and labor from the pool of men. One good example is maternity leave. not to mention all the resources and infrastructure kept by men to keep the woman's delusional bubble of independence.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 01:00 PM
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Why is most of nature, even plants with their flowers, obsessed with sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 12:58 PM
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Men are in charge and will continue to be in charge for a long time. I would say that powerful men conspire with almost all women against the rest of men, because the rest of men are the threat. Now, this conspiracy is not conscious, but women support the very structures that keep those men trapped and wageslaving, just as the powerful men that impose them. Women are basically simping for the dick and resources of those top men by putting other men down or extracting the most resources and labor…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 12:58 PM
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Besides, if you're an attractive enough guy, what's the problem with going to the gym every day, working in a clothes shop, and fucking a new girl on tinder every night? Responsibility and raising families was for the 19th century: we're free of that now. Agree, that is what I say to obese and older women. Now the only value women have is reproductive and sexual, so they better get used to it. We are free from commitment or barely tolerating partners. Sure, it will create a crisis of loneliness …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 12:52 PM
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You mean most men are simps?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 12:50 PM
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No one has done anything when I was sexually harassed on the street, on broad daylight, either. I was touched without my permission, while men close by laughed how funny being harassed was. Same with me, was winter, was dressed head to toe. That is very sad, maybe you shall consider a pepper spray or something, since men honestly don't have any obligation to defend or fight for anyone. In fact, fight for a man can be risky, they can lose an eye or get the liver stabbed, which is far worse than s…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 12:50 PM
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I also am an artist, crafter, muscian, writer, cook to a semi pro level, am a skilled games master and proficient in basic DIY, wood chopping, fire making, gardening and spider catching lol. All of that is self reliance, not anything that fundamentally sustains society.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 12:47 PM
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This argument is weird, because height is more irrelevant than ever thanks to guns and the modern state, and yet height is more important than ever now.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 12:46 PM
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A lot of height is caused by nutrition during teenage years, not genetics.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 12:44 PM
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That is sad, but this is not about sexual assault, but sexual dynamic that moves genders and even civilization itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/23 09:22 PM
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Yes. Profit and surplus is what makes civilization possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/23 09:00 PM
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I guess different guys have different unique struggles.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/23 08:49 PM
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The New Testament demonizes money a lot more than most religions. But the West is very secular now, although Leftist ideas from Marxism also demonize money too, and maybe that is why that value sticks.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/23 08:47 PM
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I was reading this Tolstoy Novella recently, and there was quote "If we're going to made into objects of desire, then as objects of desire we will rule over you." Very wise quote, but I wonder why so many women are unconscious about it. Or why do they hide it. I mean, men will not desire them less if they admit it, it is not something they can change.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/23 08:37 PM
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As the video went on, the women proceeded to throw out dick jokes at almost every turn. They are both scared and enthralled about dick. I think pussy is like food. Very necessary but not always available for men. Dick for women is like air. Cheap and heavily available, but just as important.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/23 08:36 PM
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You are right. A man just needs to be hot, or even powerful on one aspect. Men are required to do and be everything if they are just in the same league as the woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/23 08:35 PM
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It seems your comment is rather full of strawmans on revenge fantasy that somehow "redpill men" pay or some shit. I don't think redpill guys are the ones suffering, in fact they have found ways to maxx their looks and money because they know that is what women want and not the "personality" shit. In a sense, bluepillers lost the women's shit test and now are the ones struggling, and sadly that is the situation of most single men and simps. Now that there are so many single women, those men will …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/23 08:09 PM
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I watching this interesting video I recommend you. It is often claimed that if a couple has the first child, it is very likely they will have more. Now, childless people bring down the average so it seems people are having less children, but the issue seems to disappear for couples that had their first kid. I find that interesting because it is contrary to the hypothesis that claims that people are not having children because economic reasons. I mean, if that was the case then those couples woul…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/23 08:03 PM
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There is a lot of subjectivity in those assumptions of what men and women can afford. Men can also afford to be horny and get an orgasm using porn, for example. Women can also afford to be alone, and yet at collective level some cannot even change a tire without male help.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/23 07:59 PM
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Yeah, I don't think the subjectivity of the "high value" concept makes the concept less valid if objectively most women have approximately the same subjective preferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/23 07:56 PM
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Good point. It is glorified golddigging.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/23 07:10 PM
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Thank you sis
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/23 07:10 PM
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Both
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/23 06:52 PM
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https://slate.com/human-interest/2015/03/the-brutality-of-the-stone-age-only-one-man-had-children-for-every-17-women-8000-years-ago.html#:~:text=Bad%20news%20for%20anyone%20who%20touts%20the%20idea,passed%20on%20his%20DNA%20for%20every%2017%20women
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/23 06:42 PM
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Because they can? Concubines were very common in history, in almost every sophisticated society. It benefits most women too, as they have access to more resources.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/23 06:32 PM
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You are right, but I'm simplifying it. The King's courts often had a few hundred very wealthy men who had usually a wife and a few women around, and bastards to keep. In those times bottom men only had cheap prostitutes. Many societies like ours claimed to be monogamous but always had multiple women for a few men, and that disturbs the whole dating market. Thanks to tech it is more obvious now, thought.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/23 06:22 PM
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the number of women in any kings court is statistically insignificant. I'm talking in historical terms. At some point only one man for every 17 women reproduced. That may easily return and may even be made worst by tech, just as hypergamy grew thanks to apps.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/23 06:15 PM
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I would agree with you if your terms were not so objective, it seems this is more subjective. A woman earning 200k and expecting a man earning 300k to marry her, and not choosing a man that earns a little less, is being delusional because men with such high amount of money are already taken or look younger. A man earning 200k may be substandard subjectively, but objectively he is doing very well, if it is on the west.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/23 06:13 PM
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If you are a man and you want sex and relationships but aren’t able to get them, you have no right saying women’s standards are unrealistic As free individuals, we all are free to have our opinion and say what we want as long as it does not promote violence, no matter how offensive it is. God, the entitlement of this title.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/23 05:59 PM
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They went straight for blaming women whilst refusing to look within to see if they qualify in being called a high value male. So much irony. Weird women's issues are EVERYONES's problems but men's issues are just "unfortunate". Zero empathy. Well, we always knew women only have empathy for their children and even the love for their husbands is conditional, but at least they used to pretend to be more empathic.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/23 05:53 PM
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Venezuela proves women prefer to turn to stuff prostitution than to live as men in harsh times. For a while Venezuela was the richest country of South America and that happened, so I expect that would happen in the West too if the times become harsh. Yes when men succeed they must always push women down and walk on them. What the fuck is that what you actually think? So men's success has been the argument feminists use to claim oppression. 99% male working harsh jobs? Well, that is life, life is…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/23 05:50 PM
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We have more single people than ever, because most of the studies do not differentiate between single and in a committed relationship unless it's marriage. You are right, but male sexlessness is going up anyway. Most studies also consider cohabitation.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/23 05:47 PM
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Nowadays as a woman on the internet, I have learned more disgusting and horrible opinions and ideas that men have than I ever wished. I think it goes both ways. Men finding their gfs or wives whoring around, flirting with their friends on instagram, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/23 05:45 PM
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Another guy attributing his good genetics or luck to his own actions. Check your privilege, please.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/23 05:44 PM
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IDK, we are moving to unknown demographic situations. Hardly we can apply previous trends to the present or future. But I hope you are right and women who actually want to be mothers become mothers and have resources for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/23 05:40 PM
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I also, suspect, that we're headed for tough times...which will make tough men....which women like. Men are likely to drastically improve within the next generation or two. Agree, but I also don't think that will be favorable to women's rights.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/23 04:26 PM
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In what way are meek men sexually desirable? They aren't. I meant that those "sexist selfish" men are often the ones that will get all sex anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/23 04:24 PM
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Honestly, just as me at my 30s. No friends, no love, maybe some sex. Maybe if I had a social life it would be different, but the advantage is that I was never broke in my 20s. All life is a tradeoff, and for 96% of people will be over before getting all they ever wanted.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/23 03:48 PM
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Agreed, and it is as valid as women not dating ugly men.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/23 03:45 PM
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100% bro, and the sad thing is that this is that internet is just starting compared to most of history. I have no idea how this will all end but I'm very cynical about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/23 03:43 PM
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I suspect this is a tradeoff and always one group, in women or men, will have to be closest to the slave class that pays with nothing in return. Be it sex, money, taxes, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/23 03:42 PM
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It does not help that those kind of men are demonized while actually being more sexually desirable. Weird. Maybe Nietzche was right and the Last Man won by demonizing the better men.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/23 03:26 PM
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So that is indeed the nightmare scenario, assuming no functional alternative to widespread monogamy is found. In such a case, even if create a system where women voluntarily agree to be with men at a high (80%+) pairing rate, perhaps trading sexual access for other things, you still get a large % of relationships where, on a purely sexual basis, the woman would rather not sleep with her mate than sleep with him, if she could have every advantage of pairing either way. And today's men say they on…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/23 03:25 PM
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Well, we do have more single people than ever and the current dating market is not rated as positive by most people, and the pandemic made it worse. There may not be an urgent problem, but it seems it is not as good as you claim either.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/23 02:39 PM
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I mean, forced in the sense that they are born with or without characteristics that will determinate their whole life. But agreed, "force" is not the best term.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/23 02:02 PM
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Relationship is prostitution in slow motion.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/23 01:25 PM
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The only reason women are not choosing traditional is because men are taxpaying government to take care of those women.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/23 01:15 PM
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Men need to stop this fantasy that they’ll be in their prime at 40 and girls in their 20’s will be throwing themselves at you. You are right, but also that does not mean men cannot be happy with older women or getting sex at that age if they are high quality. Just not marriage or family.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/23 01:11 PM
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I think it is the opposite. Those men over 40 are desperate because they see other men married or re-married. They are fewer so the feel behind.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/23 01:09 PM
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Hopefully. We would save so many broke families.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/23 01:00 PM
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If she chooses them, then it is never "forced". Women do not care as much about male age, but they do care about other things like money, status, height, attractiveness, jobs, etc. So no, men don't have it better for being able to marry older.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/23 12:58 PM
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Apparently, women want to stay like a corpse while being penetrated and get an orgasm somehow.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/23 12:56 PM
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People rarely have 4 kids anymore, and 2 or 3 years out of the workforce is not as bad, or at least not as expensive if you choose to pay for childcare. Women are the most privileged on sex and dating and yet they also want to be the biggest victims. What a weird take.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/23 12:54 PM
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I’m not going to lie, society pushes relationships and marriage and family but mostly to women, to a much lesser extent to the younger generations thankfully, but it’s men still enjoy the archaic belief that commitment is being trapped and should only be given to the most worthy. I think that pressure still exists for men too, but they are fucked anyway if they stay single they have less status and less senx and if they marry they have less freedom. At least women actually have those options, mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/23 12:51 PM
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Yes
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/23 12:48 PM
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Motherhood reduces independence. Agreed, but at the end all is a tradeoff. Sure, you can choose to not marry and never have children, and be free, but that is not what most people want.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/23 12:47 PM
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Also they don't really like if a man leaves as she becomes old and ugly... weird, they expect man to stay anyway but also they make shit posts like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/23 12:45 PM
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You can say the same about the woman becoming old. Why would a man be forced to stay with her as she rottens?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/23 12:44 PM
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If a couple makes a decision to stay together for decades without requiring a piece of paper That decision is not there, though. At any point any of them can disappear. That is not commitment, that is conformity. Commitment requires some kind of promise or compromise. But don't worry, commitment is not needed for love, but what you are talking about is not commitment. That word lost all meaning and significance.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/23 05:59 PM
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Some variables cannot be controlled for men, such as height or not being neurotypical. Plenty of autistic men are hot but only 5% of autistic men get married. Personally I don't care shit about women outside my family, but I do care about status and family. I want a woman to have children and social status, nothing more or less. If society did not treat single men so bad, then probably I would not care so much.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/23 05:56 PM
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Too much effort to find it out, though. Porn is not like woman. It does not judge you, it does not cost half your money or properties. Porn is also diverse and ever getting better. It may even be closer to love with those VRs.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/23 05:53 PM
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Marriage does not equal commitment. Plenty of committed couples decide never to marry. Agreed, but even that commitment is useless, it is performative. There are no real consequences for breaking commitment, in fact laws often protects the people who break such arrangement. There is also no legal or social shame on that. It literally means nothing, like the fake wedding in the child's play.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/23 05:51 PM
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If women couldn’t separate sex from love then those prostitutes woulda been hella confused. Prostitutes are often fallen women. There is no hope for them anyway, so they get a profit from such arrangements. They will not become traditional and men will not stop being horny, so that is the deal. Few women can separate sex from love, but often those who did only did it because trauma or nihilism. They are not marriage material, and I'm sure they are not interested in a commitment from a man anyway…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/23 05:49 PM
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If you invested time and money into something out someone, you should get returns for your investments. I'm sure that the man invested more than enough money on her if she was able to stay at home, so both of them paid in their own way. Men also are heavily limited if they marry: they cannot have sex with anyone, they cannot bring anyone home, some cannot even play video games, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/23 05:47 PM
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Kids go to school and there are there at least 8 hours. That is more than enough to have time to create a thriving business online or at home.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/23 05:44 PM
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You can ask for shared time, so the father has him half the time, or even most of the time and you pay child support. But I do agree, it is harder with a kid, but I think that has nothing to do with gender. Women do prefer to stay close to the kid, but that is their preference and law is not forcing them to do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/23 05:43 PM
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a woman like that will inevitably cheat if she gets bored, or life gets stressful and some other dude shows interest. Its inevitable Military men have it the worst.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/23 04:10 PM
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Not necessarily, because men and women are not same, they don't think the same, consequences are not the same, and they are not judged the same. Women cannot separate sex from love as well as men. That is why in the past a few prostitutes were enough for the whole town. The tradeoff is that men cannot get easy sex in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/23 04:09 PM
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Average Virgin because men don't care about looks as much unless she is very fat or deformed. A good looking older woman may be amazing for sex but not for a relationship or commitment. Imagine all the past boyfriends, abortions, other men's children, traumas, etc. Still, women shall not worry, they will still get a decent guy if they want. Sadly that is not enough for most women.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/23 04:05 PM
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I believe these movements are cyclical and perpetual, no period has everyone happy or ever will. But indeed this period is unstable, transitional is a better term.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/23 03:42 PM
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Hopfully the bubble finally implodes. Medical science keeps dying people from passing away for months, even years. Tech also keeps this dying civilization from actually fully dying, but it is unavoidable. Now, that does not mean we will go back to the stone age, but I expect the West looking more like corrupt Latin American governments.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/23 03:12 PM
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And yeah whatever helps you get to sleep at night. Foreign young teen pussy ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/23 02:40 PM
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Further more, the average man makes below 70k. So even if she gets alimony and childsupport, that’s going to be less than 35k. Which is not enough If there is no pussy she shall not be entitled to the money of the man she divorced.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/23 02:35 PM
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Women initiating divorce means than women doing more paperwork Higher lesbian divorce rates prove this is not true... women decisions are the only variable for higher divorce rates, not men.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/23 02:34 PM
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If you sacrifice your career to stay at home, you become highly unemployable. Everything is a sacrifice. Some women sacrifice motherhood for a job too, and they do not like that if they wanted kids. Still women can study and have a job even staying at home, internet helps a lot on that.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/23 02:33 PM
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If i was a traditional wife.. i may not be able to leave. Why not? I would get it if it was 1800, but trad women have their own money, can have their own personal business, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/23 02:33 PM
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I don't get it. Married women can still study, now they have more options to do stuff online like selling their art. Trad women are not prisoners anymore, and even if the husband leaves there is no excuse for them to rely 100% on the man, so they can do OK if not dumb.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/23 02:32 PM
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Thing is,she actually hated it. This is the fantasy women who did not settle tell themselves to feel better. Most women are OK with the decision they took to marry and have kids, even if that cost some more selfish goals, it is most satisfying than a life in a cold office.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/23 02:30 PM
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I mean, not being stupid, just stupid decisions. It is only expected in any decision paralysis.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/23 02:14 PM
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This. Men have to actually stick to commitment, women can walk away and get a new guy in half an hour using an app. It is a suckers game for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/23 02:10 PM
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Well, they are very proud of it and openly say it, so.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/23 02:09 PM
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Not among younger generations. They cannot afford even living alone, so it is not a statistics to be proud of. People prefer to marry when they are independent. Just proves how useless marriage is in a modern context anyway. Commitment is not a thing anymore for most people.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/23 02:04 PM
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And none of them are stupid for the person that does the rejection. Many are, especially when you are drowning in options. It happens to top men too... the one that went away.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/23 02:03 PM
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"Why don't men commit?" is one of the most easiest questions to answer in today's day in age; just open Tiktok/Instagram/Twitter. This, it is clear as water.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/23 02:01 PM
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Totally, the real alpha male is the government now, and women delude themselves they have the power just because the system is on their side... for now.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/23 01:59 PM
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Most Men wanted a relationship but at the point they can get one they are disenchanted with the idea. Why is it so hard to gasp?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/23 01:57 PM
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Maybe, but they are more desired anyway, so it is not a real threat for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/23 01:56 PM
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I think many men are OK with porn or drugs instead lowering their standard to women that are obviously below their league, or with other men's children, or cheaters... as women in his own league are dating up, sharing the same few men. That is understandable for those men to choose porn, choosing porn is as valid option as dating a woman and making a family. No need to judge, every man copes his own way.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/23 10:00 PM
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There are many trad women in the West, but often the well is contaminated. Those women are also more likely to be manipulated by bad men and end up as single moms. Or rather they still expect as much from men as non traditional women anyway, maybe too much in a market where there are fewer jobs. So it is OK for men to find elsewhere in the world to overcome hypergamy, at least for now.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/23 09:42 PM
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Western women are OK as people and as individuals, but the main problem is that they still expect men to be provider or earn more than them, or do it all on dating, while they expect equality when convenient. The market is correcting by men just looking for women in foreign countries. Western Women are also OK staying alone and childless. So in a sense every gender is coping its own way and looking for his/her own interests, and they get the happiest they can in their own situations and given th…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/23 09:28 PM
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My point is that being evil has an advantage you don't really are constrained on how you build your confidence at the cost of others. These men also contaminate the lake of available women, so women become resentful and more likely to not trust actually good men. I think proof of this is how women project "assholes" in all men, even men who don't even dare to look at their eyes, and yet those are the only men those women are interacting with. If you treat women as things, you can hurt them, mani…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/23 09:12 PM
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Disheartening when even your best body is not better than just next guy a foot taller and whiter than you. It is over. It is evil to sell false hope to these men, who in the future will be sons of those non-empathic women.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/23 08:22 PM
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You can say the same about thirst men have for sex. No love or family or whatever will ever be greater than that, if they can cheat they will.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/23 08:14 PM
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I will copy and past this from another comment of mine, hope you don't take it badly. ------- I think it is more internal experience of the guy. Men who do want to get a gf and get married will focus on one woman at a time, so getting rejected hurts and hurts a lot after emotional investment. If he has no experience with women, it will hurt even more, to the point it may be moral and he may end offing himself. Men today don't really have much self esteem to spend it in a few rejections that leav…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/23 08:11 PM
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I kinda agree it is an exaggerated reason to not approach... the fear of maybe getting recorded or shamed online, etc. It is too much. I think it is more internal experience, tho. Men who do want to get a gf and get married will focus on one woman at a time, so getting rejected hurts and hurts a lot. If he has no experience with women, it will hurt even more, to the point it may be moral and he may end offing himself. Men today don't really have much self esteem to spend it in a few rejections t…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/23 08:10 PM
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It is unavoidable. Romance dries up but commitment must stay. Too bad commitment means nothing today.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/23 07:50 PM
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Yes, it is all projection. Men always knew this because men have to know this to even get a date. Women have a blind spot... they get sex and men so easily that they cannot really empathize with men nor be really conscious of their own entitlements.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/23 07:48 PM
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Sounds like too much effort for a stinky pussy anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/23 07:41 PM
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Become the villain. Very sad that the dating market is basically closed to men that actually respect women.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/23 07:40 PM
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You never know what you will get unless you try. Except that if you try with the wrong woman, your social life may be over, especially if you are recorded and ridiculized.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/23 07:38 PM
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Well, it works for literally child rapists getting love letters at jail, so why not for me too? I'll try to change genetics.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/23 07:37 PM
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That is limiting your options a lot, especially if you have not many friends or your freinds moved on.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/23 07:36 PM
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You have to understand men do not really have much agency here. If she likes you, you can be a literal criminal and still get sex and relationships. If she does not like you, you can be like Bezos and be divorce raped.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/23 07:36 PM
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Ironic women always talk about "communication" while they just play passive aggressive and play with men they find creep. They just want a powergrip on someone lesser to feel powerful in their empty lives. They can literally just say "I'm not interested" and walk away. Unless they are dating in a parking lot, other people will defend her if he gets violent.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/23 07:32 PM
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Plenty of guys do not take no for an answer Yeah, usually the criminal guys you do fuck anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/23 07:30 PM
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I find it nauseating how little men give a shit about women. I think it goes both ways, though. Women don't really give a shit about men except those they want to fuck or men in family. But I do hope men did not care so much about random women, defending them from "creeps" that literally did nothing wrong except being awkward.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/23 07:24 PM
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Women truly cannot win with y’all If it makes you feel better, most men cannot win anything here either. At least most women have options, while these interactions only benefit a minority of men so all interactions with them are ambiguous as they have no experience or point of reference. Also women are not really losing anything as they always get relationship and dick, you'll love playing victims but also queens.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/23 07:22 PM
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You can be committed to each other without being committed to living in the same room. You can also not commit to close the relationship, just keep having sex with others. Again, commitment is becoming a dead hallow concept like marriage. It means nothing and offers really nothing but feeling good you have somehow superior to someone hooking up.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/23 09:37 PM
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They can open an app and get a dick in 30 minutes and a relationship in a week. They are not victims, never were in this new market. They just cry they cannot make top 5% of men commit to them, which is stupid because they do not need commitment to get sex, company, relationships, etc. But women do enjoy the attention and narcissism of dressing in white as a virgin in the altar, even after taking like 100 dicks.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/23 09:35 PM
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If she feels threatened she can just say that, especially if she is in a public space as women naturally defend women. So far women just smile and play a game and then when the guy leaves or is taken away, she says he was a creep. That is not a good way to manage the situation, she probably wanted the drama and power grip to humiliate a human being, not really feel threatened.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/23 09:22 PM
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Because they have all power in dating, sexual and relationship market and still find a way to manipulate government and stupid men into thinking they are victims.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/23 09:14 PM
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In most cases I see just she smiles being polite but not entertaining the conversation, trying to look away, then drinking, the guy keeps talking... Soon or later some "hero" comes and tell him something and he is shamed while he was not even aware of the cues, probably because autism. So those men get traumatized the first time or second they try to date, they are recorded and put on TikTok, forever, and other men just don't want to be like that and rather play videogames and watch porn, which …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/23 08:51 PM
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You can get rid from creeps by just telling them NO 90% of the time. But women just play it along and prefer to talk behind his back until someone does something. That is not a proper way to handle anyone's dignity.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/23 08:37 PM
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...because they don't respect women How dare a guy not on my level feel attracted to a high woman like me.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/23 08:32 PM
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Women want to be desired by the men they desire. Otherwise it is a creep and they call the bartender to get rid of him.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/23 08:20 PM
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Sure, commitment at this point is like marriage. It means absolutely nothing. It is just glorified partnership with legal consequences that are not always desirable. Nothing unique in it. Terms like "open marriage" for example make it worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/23 08:18 PM
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You are right, I was thinking more on OP's post. But you are right, the risk for women is great, yet they indeed have more sexual access so I don't get why they complain so much.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/23 08:11 PM
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I remember that comment from Hillary XD
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/23 06:59 PM
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Her drivers license, mail, taxes, and her car registration is labeled under her parents house. Ancient Romans used to do this. You married your wife but technically she was still part of her father's house. It was weird, but it was a way to protect the wife and also some rights she had.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/23 06:54 PM
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So commitment without commitment?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/23 06:52 PM
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I didn't say you have to pretend you don't like it, but stop pretending you will get it at some point (you wouldn't, or it will be so hard it is not worth it).
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/23 06:51 PM
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Agreed, and yet plenty of women use sex with top men with hope to get commitment. Also, there may be some "commitment" from those men, but those men do not have to be exclusive, so they agree to be part of mini-harems. Nothing wrong with that, but forget the idea of a family man if that is what you want. Trad women like hot men as much as promiscuous women so both use sex to compete with each other for them. The difference is that the trad woman deludes herself into thinking she will change the …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/23 06:48 PM
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Buddy boyo, if it's true that only 40% of men reproduced by 80% of women did...then by the odds, in your line there was a great man. Most men have some thing they have to offer. Find yours. And just strengthen it. I get your motivation, but honestly it is not accurate. Other men also came from great lines of men. There are not enough fertile, good women for all men, and women need men less than ever. Any mental illness or loneliness women may have by staying alone is put down by pills. Maybe if …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/23 06:43 PM
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Now, quite rightly, women are free to either be alone or be with the men they actually desire and love. Women are free to do that, but since women feel all attractive to the same minority of men, there is no reason for those men to establish a relationship with them at the long term or stay with them when they get older. Women also, for some strange reason, love commitment more than men even when they can get sex and company without any commitment at all... so I don't' get why they complain so m…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/23 06:39 PM
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Women tell me they feel comfortable with me all the time while barely knowing me. That means you are attractive and probably neurotypical. Not the same for most men, in fact most men are considered unattractive. That is OK, but you are taking credit for genetics. Being defeatist is only bad if you actually have an edge, but most single men don't and it will get only worse because apps and women don't really have a reason to be loyal or fuck average men anymore. These last 20 years changed everyt…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/23 06:32 PM
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I said legal, but most consequences are social. You may be labeled a creep, for example, especially if you have no experience. That means that if you have no experience you get none.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/23 06:31 PM
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Who is saying it is unreasonable for women to expect men to earn more? I say it is contradictory that women claim to want equality and all shit like that, but in fact prefer privileged white powerful men. They support the patriarchy for themselves but claim to fight it. I call out their moral inconsistency, not the fact they want the best partner, just as men prefer younger women but at least men are more open and honest about that, although they are as terrible in other categories.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/23 06:14 PM
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That is another issue and I'm glad you mentioned it. Women trust men that they at least know for a while, such as friends of friends, but most of us don't have many friends and we focused on career or stuff like that as told by our moms. Of course, we later realized our family and school basically scammed us out of any social support by convincing us to focus on studies instead of social life (which cannot be recovered easily and is far more important than a career at the long rung). Sadly it is…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/23 06:02 PM
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Almost all men I know have a terrible story about a friend that had a legal or harassment issue with women even without trying. I was close to one too in my work. I wrote "un mom" which is a short for "one moment" in Spanish and two women in different occasions thought I was calling them "mom". Imagine the called human resources.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/23 05:56 PM
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Reality: men beat around the bush, act unsure of themselves and take forever to ask out the girl they fancy. We have to play safe, women today may use law to destroy your life, especially those BPD witches.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/23 05:42 PM
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Yeah, it seem women are like children for being rescued from the bad, but must be treated as adults for the good stuff and fucking.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/23 05:37 PM
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Yeah, inflation has rewritten a lot of rules. We have to see how it affects dating. My prediction is that not much will change because it affects men as much as women, so it all evens out and men still have a financial advantage, but I may be wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/23 05:36 PM
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I'd say it is what the money implies for women: makeup, new dresses, shoes, etc. and all trash they love to feel beautiful. But at the end, yet, all is about sex although women don't like it as much as men.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/23 05:35 PM
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An older man probably has more money, but also a stable job, his own property, status, maturity, sexual experience, independence as they lived alone for long, etc. Sure, some younger men may have this, but older men are more likely to be established. Also you are downplaying money. Money is useful for a higher lifestyle in countless aspects, and women know that. Meanwhile sex only is for pleasure and reproduction, but the fact men value it so much means they can spend for it. Fortunately, they a…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/23 05:30 PM
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It is literally a pyramid. I only see ugly solutions for it. I hope your GF gets the surgery and you both are safe.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/23 03:31 PM
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Medicare seems so weird to me, young working age guy gets sick? Let him die if he can't afford it. Old low tax paying senior? Free healthcare. Yes, I noticed it that. Capitalism for the younger and socialism for the older. In Europe is may not be as prominent, but indeed they also invest far more healthcare on older people and that will not be repaid. That is why they have to wait so much for a doctor in places such as Canada. So I guess it is all about tradeoffs, and honestly it seems healthcar…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/23 03:24 PM
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I think money will even be less worthy, because there will be less people so more money will represent all the money. So far inflation grew by printing more money, but now it will grow with less people using it (the demand). Rich people don't have enough wealth to magically make over 70% of retired or older population work again, nor it will make the fewer younger people work overtime for them. But who knows, maybe automation and AI will make a miracle and I'm proved wrong, which would be the id…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/23 03:22 PM
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I think the only way is that only people with children get tax benefit from their own children, so fertility is encouraged and let childfree people use their savings and die. Younger people will never able to carry a 70% older retired population, ever.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/23 03:14 PM
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I believe men are extremists on most categories... most saints and worst sinners are men, most geniuses and dumb people are men, most contributors and most destructive people are men. Emotionally, it is women the extremists. Some women are insufferable witches, others can literally get your depression gone (like many grandmas). It can be so overwhelming.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/23 02:44 PM
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I think they are imagining sugar daddy relationships, but indeed some women have genuine interest in more mature, older men.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/23 02:34 PM
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Yes, younger women get like 10x what the guy gets from such arrangement. They believe their pussy is gold or something.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/23 02:34 PM
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I'm convinced Karen are just former Stacies who don't understand why people don't treat them like royalty anymore. Both are equally entitled but Karens do not have the charm that made them barely tolerable anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/23 02:33 PM
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Same with the shit in Ukraine. Women leave and yet they are the most vocal about sending it soldiers and money. Easy when they have no shit to do there.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/23 02:31 PM
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There is nothing wrong with gap relationships, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/23 02:29 PM
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Are you implying most men wouldn't sleep with their celebrity crush if they could? They would, but it requires effort. Women only open legs, so they are responsible for keeping the sexual access. If they don't, there is no reason to consider women especial or worthy of any care or commitment or maintainance.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/23 02:20 PM
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Yes, just as all taxes today, but people who keep the population stable will not be burdened with more taxes for a dying older population. We really have no options. I don't think a 10% young working population will ever care for paying taxes for like 80% older people. Otherwise, they are likely to not work at all, or work only the minimum they can or just leave for countries that do not tax them to death.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/23 02:19 PM
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Latino Migrants often work but also bring their whole families so their tax contribution cancels out or is negative.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/23 01:39 PM
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Immigration is also reducing, even in Africa the birth rate is falling, which was not expected when some of those countries were like less than 20 years on average by age. It also is immoral because those countries also need a growing population and you are taking them, and also bringing their values, which are often not compatible with human and women rights.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/23 01:39 PM
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Women are just creating a generation of autistic incel men, with no fathers as guides, and BPD girls that will just live like whores for the few top men, making the problem worse and worse. So yes, they are basically dooming their own children. I hope it was just their problem but I suspect they will push for more taxes to take hard earned money from men and that way be "independent".
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/23 01:37 PM
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"Quality" is such a subjective measure. It is not like the count of eggs.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/23 01:26 PM
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No, but she is open to it and it breaks any concept of commitment and loyalty. I remember reading women in war are often not raped, they just open legs to winners.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/23 01:19 PM
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Encouraging males to be friends with women would just be making women vulnerable to being sexually assaulted and abused by predatory males who use friendship as a ruse to attack women. Agreed 100%, and women's company is mostly boring anyway if there is no sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/23 01:16 PM
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Well, I have to say you are right on that.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/23 08:24 PM
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Many attractive high value men have sex with any woman they can, and yet they are not technically desperate. They just have high libido. They may be horny or even desperate for sex, but not for you as an individual or a special person.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/23 08:18 PM
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There are a lot of threads and a lot of texts saying that THE ONLY WAY for a woman to be TRULY HAPPY is by marrying and having kids. No one is saying that, and childless woman often have this paranoia. Just because your mom wants you to have children now does not mean everyone else cares. Your uterus is not that important as you believe, especially if you are not going to use it anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/23 08:12 PM
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I don't get the question. All men are betabuxxed in a way or another. Even some chads are used by women as prize husbands to cause envy to other female friends. The key is to give as much as she gives you, and everyone wins. Love comes and goes, and it is overrated, and often used as an excuse for women to fuck criminals and as an excuse for men to justify being idiots and spending $500 on a "romantic night" that gets to no sex. Pathetic.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/23 07:44 PM
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Unconsciously celibate?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/23 07:34 PM
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Some people don't go into a date or a relationship thinking "What can I get out of this". So you say they would date an ugly woman or a broke man?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/23 07:29 PM
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Usually the dynamic in groups is more open. I think the post is mainly between close friendship between men and women, but I think intersex groups of friends have no issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/23 07:29 PM
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I started going to lunch regularly with a group of them, and sort of became an "honorary woman", as far as them confiding in me. It was an enlightening experience. It is a nice experience. I had a female coworker as lunch partner for months and people assumed we were in a relationship LOL.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/23 07:23 PM
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It does not matter how they see it, but it is still a transaction. Otherwise, why would they do it if they did not receive love, sex, status, etc?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/23 07:21 PM
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Lack of arguments? Just ad hominem.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/23 07:11 PM
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Well, it is. There is marketing (apps), there is a product (each other), there is a quality and currency (status, height, boob size, etc), there is a supply and demand, etc. I don't like the terminology either, but I cannot deny how useful it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/23 07:10 PM
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Good for you, but plenty of women do get into casual sex just to get commitment from those men (which never comes).
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/23 07:02 PM
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Women love capitalism in the sexual market, just as men love socialism in it (distribution of women, if they cannot get the most of them).
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/23 07:00 PM
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conservative women have been the only ones to say shit like “I want a blue collar alpha male” can’t even imagine any lefty saying that They just say what all woman want anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/23 06:59 PM
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It's funny you say women are high maintenence, since men are too. Humans in general are high maintenence, it's just we don't notice it when it's our everyday life. We just consider our maintenence as normal and any deviation from it high maintenence because it's more maintenence on top of our regular maintenence or normal life as most people see it. I mean, when there is interaction between men and women the woman always expects the man to entertain, implicitly. But yes, men are as needy too on …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/23 06:56 PM
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Women are extremely classist, which is ironic as they often vote Leftist. The reason is that they want to distribute other people's money, not theirs nor they want to share their privilege. You see how biphobic most woke "tolerant" women are against bisexual men, and how transphobic they become when transwomen "invade" their spaces. Women did not expect to share their privilege or spaces for the LGBT groups they virtue signaled for with mouth only. They also would fuck without thinking the top 5…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/23 06:36 PM
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I don't know any women who want to be dated out of charity or pity. Opening legs to those men expecting commitment is the most charitable thing the do, paying with their own dignity.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/23 06:31 PM
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Allah will win
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/23 05:54 PM
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Don't worry, you seem a good woman, and you will do fine. Maybe just put yourself more on spaces when men feel safe to approach, or ask a friend, their brother may be a good man for you. But you are totally right about your observation.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/23 05:15 PM
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I always describe society as a hamburger. Top is men, middle is women, bottom is men again. We tried to put the meat (women) on top, but we just made the top thinner... so they gave them more power, while women's sexual power is now restricted as they compete for the same men.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/23 05:00 PM
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women don’t choose the top 5% of men, walking outside will automatically disprove that Women resent their partners for not being top, though. Also they are more open to that than ever, so most of those relationships were lucky before apps.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/23 03:55 PM
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That's OK, I just keep sucking daddy dicks in secret on their wife's beds. It is fun.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/23 03:54 PM
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I see women not enjoying the company of men because the expectation of male company is that the male wants to be served and want's constant sexual access to the woman. Sure, but many women do enjoy the sexual tension and attention from men too. Not all women want the same, and those women took the decision to not related to men because the sexual tension, and it is valid. Also a majority of men do not respect educated and accomplished women. They do not believe that women are intelligent enough …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/23 03:52 PM
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You started putting rich people in a pedestal when clearly no one was talking about that.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/23 03:42 PM
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IDK, I don't think men really have any control on that, just as women cannot resist just choosing top 5% of men and yet that is not considered dehumanizing even when it is very close to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/23 03:40 PM
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Shitty and necessary jobs aren’t generally the salaries keeping the welfare state afloat. You are right, they keep the infrastructure which is even far more important.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/23 03:38 PM
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The 5% pay an enormously disproportionate share of that 70%. Sorry I was not clear, I mean the top most attractive men who get almost all sex, who do not always fit the same top financial privileges. No one sexually desires Bill Gates. Regardless, just as women take credit for birthing even when their womb is already like a raising after 4 abortions, men can do the same. Men also contribute the most to the shitty but necessary jobs that keep the women's bubble and the delusion of independence th…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/23 03:30 PM
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You have a good point. In that case, their need to feel connected or protected to some men is not any less valid than the sexual interest of such men, in my view.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/23 03:25 PM
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A majority of men articulate that they do not enjoy the company of women if sexual intercourse isn't involved. Women don't enjoy the company of most men either, in fact they are far pickier on that aspect. Women repeatedly say they do not need men, and yet they complain men do not see them as friends and only for sex. Well, in the same way men do not need women either, except for sex, so it is expected they look for them only for that. Also not wanting women as friends does not mean they do not …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/23 03:21 PM
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Imagine fighting patriarchy by giving even more power to 5% top men and using the government (paid 70% by men) as husband to pay for your bastards and claim you are an independent woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/23 03:15 PM
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Sexually desiring a woman does not mean the man is dehumanizing her. There is nothing more human than that.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/23 03:06 PM
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I always find this interesting, the idea that you can't find your friends physically attractive. It's very foreign to me. At least you do seem empathic and you are not being judgemental. So many women see that as bad, as if the man had any control.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/23 03:05 PM
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Agreed, women make me so uncomfortable these days, you can't talk to them without them getting some sort of complex about it as if you want to fuck them. It is a pedestalization of themselves. Even fat unattractive girls act like this and it is so cringe.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/23 03:04 PM
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Why is it weird to have natural, expected sexual and romantic desires?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/23 03:03 PM
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But it's also normal for a man to cut off a friendship because they become too attached to the woman. I don't get why women hate this. Do they really want a horny friend around but giving them nothing? I think they just want the attention and narcissistic supply. Wise men don't spend even another minute on a woman like that or ruminating on those emotions if she is not reciprocating.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/23 03:02 PM
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unless you view women as only an outlet for sexual relief. Honestly, why not? Why is sex so bad? Also, what do female friend offer that male friends don't beside sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/23 02:58 PM
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Men do not need women as friends just as women do not need any male friend. Female friends are also high maintenance. They offer little entertainment but require a lot of it to stay around. However, women, just as men, can find friendship and fun in their own genders.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/23 02:57 PM
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Friendship is far more than just being around women, though. Women as acquittances is OK.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/23 02:55 PM
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Narcissism.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/23 02:54 PM
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Friendship between men and women often ends up like this: The man catch feelings for her. She expects the male friend to act as a husband, fixing her apartment stuff and the like without any sexual retribution. Jealously when one of them get into a relationship. So no, friendship between men and women is not ideal and may cause more problems than those it fixes if there is no intend for marriage or relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/23 02:54 PM
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With the rise of the independence of women, we no longer NEED men to exist financially After being born, men don't need women for anything either, except for one thing: sex. So no wonder why men are just hitting women only for sex. Women don't really have much to offer anymore if they will just be like roomates. They are working too, so there is no especial help in house for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/23 02:20 PM
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That's a job. We do not tell men to become a firefighter. If we do, they aren't listening Agreed, it is their decision, just as women who decide to date abusive and criminal men and then expect government to save them and their bastards, so? And, men can not protect, and never protected anyone against risks of health. Men actually pay most taxes, so that includes the healthcare for the fat asses of many man hating feminists.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/23 01:55 PM
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We tell men to protect women, where the only danger women might be in is caused by men. Are not most emergency workers for fires and earthquakes men anyway? Most risks in the West are health, not violence, and indeed lonely is very bad for health.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/23 01:11 PM
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Yes, english is not my first language.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/23 01:09 PM
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The men those woman want and then end up hating 10 years later because those men get rid of them for age, tho.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/23 01:08 PM
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What is with this phenomenon of gay men resenting women?? What? That is not even close to how lesbian hate men LOL
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/23 01:07 PM
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I don't think the West will ever fix it, but rather demographics will stagnate and fail and then foreign civilizations will practice that. So women's rights will not be taken away, but people who push them will die off.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/23 01:06 PM
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Overindulging in escapism can be bad, whether it be substance-based, fiction/virtual reality, or becoming delusional. There is no right or wrong anymore if you failed genetically anyway. It makes no difference if your line dies.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/23 01:05 PM
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Having distractions available is the good thing. Being excluded from dating is not. I argue for the first, I never said the second is good.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/23 01:04 PM
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I think you failed to read my post, maybe just the title. I said exactly that.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/23 01:03 PM
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Now I bet people like you also sit and wonder why the west's all social structure is crumbling and more and more immigration is becoming necessary to keep the country going. Shitting on men for years, forcing them to loneliness throughout their youth, taking their mental health away will come back as an unprecedented blow back into the society's face within the next decade or two. The safe social structure kept by men that benefit women the most entitled since ever if finally crumbling, and it i…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/23 01:01 PM
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I also observed it, but maybe guys assume attractive girls are not available, and often attractive women can attract high quality men so they do not need to be active in apps and such and prefer some form of monogamy more than men. I hope you find your man, but I think those men just choose those men because they have such low self steem that they think that is what they deserve, because they have no point of reference to find their league in current dating market.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/23 12:58 PM
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Because of the law of compounding, a fertility rate of 1.5 is no joke and cannot be easily undone. You will be shocked at how fast a population can drop. And it would take many generations of women averaging 3 or 4 kids to make a dent in turning it around. People here don't realize the disaster that is coming to the West when they realize this and a huge part of population retires. Do you think a younger, from religious people, population will just agree to pay taxes for these old decrepit nihil…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/23 12:56 PM
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Well life not fair Exactly, which means it is fair to be manipulative to get it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/23 12:54 PM
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You did well and I'm glad it worked for you, but many women ask far more than that even for first dates, not to mention special occasions.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/23 12:48 PM
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I think with the advancement of A.I. i.e. sexbots and VR porn a lot of people will start to live a life without needing each other. I genuienly don't believe the sexes need each other anymore. We're moving past all that. Agreed and the quicker we accept it, the less suffering there will be.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/23 12:47 PM
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You really think of women as a "source of sex"? Most men do, even "good men". Yes, sex is important for us, even more than one particular woman. But yes, ideally it is from a woman we love. Do you value sex above women's well-being? I think it is part of the dynamic, but I think this is more a projection. Women love the shit men have to do for them, while they do not see them as human. Women are really capable of loving themselves and their own children, husband is just a placeholder.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/23 12:42 PM
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I could not have explained it better.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/23 12:39 PM
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Ironically most of those women expect high value men to have charity or pity for them to give them at least a shadow of commitment, though. It is pure projection.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/23 12:37 PM
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Sorry, hope is a privilege for a few and cope for most. It is sad, but for most people, it is over.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/23 12:35 PM
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Exactly.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/23 09:39 PM
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Ever before can be relative to a huge amount of time. I don't get why you want to debate a widely known fact. What is next? Debate why people have less children than ever? Debate plastic pollution? LOL
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/23 09:06 PM
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Women ARE dating average guys. They aren't. Those are only the guys you see, actual average and underaverage guys are invisible.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/23 08:40 PM
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trying to define what women want is impossible So why do you expect him to know what women want by asking him for an insight of the impossible?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/23 08:39 PM
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Good people don’t expect something back for being good. Any man who expects sex or love because he paid for a date does not deserve either of those things and is a bad person. Agreed. Good people don’t expect something back for being good. Any woman who expects marriage or commitment because she opened legs deserve either of those things and is a bad wife material.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/23 08:33 PM
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Not men, though. Women.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/23 08:31 PM
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I think choosing to stay single is fine. Amen.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/23 08:31 PM
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I'd say that some romance will rise organically, but it is an exchange. Not just a bad investment in which men are likely to lose, they just give and take with each other in equal amounts.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/23 08:30 PM
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Who is forcing these men to spend hundreds of dollars instead of planning cheap but thoughtful dates? Who is forcing those women to have sex with those men? Also sex is not traumatic, unless it is rape or something. Women make implicit contracts, open legs and expect marriage or dating, and yet they do not compromise when men put effort and pay for their shit. So yes, women still win, even mentally ill women win here. They get sex many men don't get. They get dates. They get good dick.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/23 08:27 PM
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Sorry you are unable to use google, but I'll help: https://www.psychologytoday.com/ca/blog/living-single/202110/there-are-more-single-people-than-ever-and-thats-not-a-bad-thing
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/23 08:26 PM
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I am so glad men like this struggle with dating bc if they think like this they do not deserve relationships. Actually, those who struggle are those who get manipulated by women, who suck their money and get no sex or love back. Those who win are those who know how to ask and play the game, and yes, sometimes it implies manipulating women instead women manipulating them into paying for romantic shit and false hopes.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/23 08:25 PM
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So, you're trying to virtue signal for other men? I don't get it lmao. My post is not about men being victims, that is your take. Read it again... it is about ANYONE who is involuntarily single and how vices can help them.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/23 08:23 PM
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Sorry, some men will never have a chance. Less than 5% of autistic men get married, now consider the lots of shit of criteria such as height, skin color, wealth, etc. women expect from men. I suspect that over half men from now on will never be chosen for any kind of relationship, and at some point, media will complain about that but not because men, but because there is not enough husband material, or women complaining their loser male kids (that never had a father as example, because they were…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/23 08:21 PM
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This is not about me, sweetie. I'm not even into women. Sadly women made prostitution hard for men and they shame them for that, even for stuff such as porn. Women only have empathy for themselves and their children, and sometimes for their husbands. No one else unless it is performative.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/23 08:13 PM
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It is good to choose to be single, but most single men I know are not single by choice and I'm glad they can cope with those vices.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/23 08:10 PM
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Agreed, but some people will never have those options anyway, so I'm glad they can cope elsewhere. It seems you want those people to suffer for some reason, remembering them they lost the genetic lottery or some shit, and although that is true, that is also mean. No documentary about Paris replaces the experience of going there, but you can enjoy it even if you never to there. That is my point on issues such as sex and relationships. We may have ahead like 40 years with no family, while our eyes…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/23 08:09 PM
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I agree the situation is worse for men, but that is not what my post is talking about, but the fact that single people have endless ways to cope with being single without choice: porn, anime, videogames, many pets, etc. are ways to cope that in the past we did not have or very few had, so people can at least have a mid-good life even if love never comes. Sorry I was not clear.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/23 08:04 PM
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Base for what? Source for the claim there are most single people than ever? Sure https://en.psychologyinstructor.com/why-are-there-more-single-people-than-ever
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/23 08:03 PM
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Why would the guy ditch them? I mean, it is a source of sex and men never will get enough of it. That shit only happens in films and series. Most likely they become FWB. She gets some attention and dick from top guy, guy get sex. Everyone happy. If an emotionally vulnerable man got seduced by a sex-obsessed woman who pretends to care about him, grooms him to be emotionally dependent on her, but then leaves after fucking him, that also wouldn't be a good thing. Other terms, but that is exactly is…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/23 08:01 PM
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If it makes you feel better, even if men use you for sex they will not get rid of you or never give you prizes for the sex, they will not dispose of you. I mean, what man would get rid of a source of sex? No one in the right mind unless he had infinite options (they don't). So don't worry, even if men can be this bad, it would be against their own interests.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/23 07:53 PM
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I mean, worst in relative terms. It may as well be the best times in other aspects. Maybe I should have used another term, but yes, we never had these many single people.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/23 07:48 PM
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Agreed, it is a risky game. I do not see it as worthy, but is not it nice that mentally ill women can also get sex and feel loved even for a while? Some average men do not even get 1% of that just because they are not tall or they are autistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/23 07:46 PM
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Yes, and that is OK too even for women who would have preferred to get married but no man was good enough for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/23 07:44 PM
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I think this complaint is mostly projection from women. Plenty of women manipulate lonely desperate men into paying for their trash and lifestyle, without even giving anything useful back but false hope. At least men who manipulate women for sex also get sex and probably some romantic shit they wanted for a while, those lonely men get nothing and lose money on shitty women.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/23 07:42 PM
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Oh no! How will we ever get over not having more people in existence than there ever have been? A stable population that replaces dying people does not mean overpopulation, and so far times have been better than ever even having more people than ever, so your hypothesis of more people = bad, is wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/23 07:39 PM
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It is too expensive and risky for men to be too romantic on a prospect that may end in nothing. Imagine spending 500 a night for a woman that will not say yes anyway, while she fucks guys in tinder for free. Men are still stupid around women, but gladly not that stupid anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/23 07:30 PM
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Yes, romance is dead, and it is a good thing, especially for men who do not have to invest as much on pussy they may not even get anyway. Romance only made sense when men and women needed each other personally, for lifelong bonds, children, and unifying families. We live in times that none of that is required anymore. Romance today is just an act of theater: entertainment only, but not even the best entertainment, and it costs lots of money. Today, they need each other for very specific things s…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/23 07:28 PM
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But is not it good women with those mental issues have romantic options or sex at least, even if not with commitment? Men in the same situation get nothing, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/23 07:23 PM
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Women already prefer to be single than men even on their own league. Reason? They want a man to cause envy on other women, not really a man for company and love. Women just use antidepressants, wine and pets to compensate any natural desire for family or a husband. Lonely Men cope with porn and videogames. So both men and women are coping, but men have it far worse, although women are far more vocal.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/23 06:53 PM
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Soyboys also love using unironically the label "incel" while being the flash definition of that word.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/23 06:51 PM
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It is the less masculine men, IE. "soyboys", effete, often gay/bi or trans, who seem to not empathize with men's issues AT ALL. They also play dirty, never say you stuff on your face, etc. They are basically functional women on attitude, but without the good of women and without the good of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/23 06:51 PM
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This post proves so many women are classists. No, men are not blessed by just your presence, making them wait literal years. Stop playing with good men's dignity and using them for free protection and giving them false hope. Grow up.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/23 06:50 PM
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This. Never give anything else to someone who plays with your dignity and valuable time.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/23 06:48 PM
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Many Women do not want good men, they want hot men.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/23 06:46 PM
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Maybe, but he would be more femenine if he did not go to gym. He may also not practice some weight exercises, which means he may not get all benefits as a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/23 06:42 PM
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Actually, more muscle makes men look more masculine (it also make some women look more masculine, hehe). Exercise also supports more testosterone production.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/23 06:42 PM
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you can’t replace biological attraction Agreed, but it is irrelevant as it is her internal experience that does not concern me. I'm sure you can find plenty of women who look disinterested but feel attracted, and women who pretend to be attracted but aren't. So it is inconsequential, too subjective.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/23 03:08 PM
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I'm lazier than you, google it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/23 03:01 PM
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Agreed we need more studies, but it proves a trend that men observed since... ever. Women are not very empathic, in fact they are very narcissistic for needs other than themselves or those of their kids (if they did not kill them before being born).
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/23 02:58 PM
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In a recently published study at Penn State, researchers sought to explore differing perceptions of crying in men and women, presenting their 284 subjects with a series of hypothetical vignettes.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/23 02:56 PM
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The article points to the study, though. Funny you hate fox and yet love forums with shitty claims like reddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/23 02:55 PM
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You find the source to the academic study there, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/23 02:53 PM
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It is not that bad, it is like a long term prostitute without the social stigma. She can still love your kids, give you pleasure, make you look good at front of your family, etc. Loneliness is worse without sex and that status. She may be unhappy, which is her problem, but I can be happy with everything else.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/23 02:52 PM
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Relationships are status, even if they are not based on love. Relationships may also help with loneliness and for those who want to have children. Love comes and goes, so it is overrated. My partner may not love me, and I may not love my partner beside sex, but I do love the benefits of the relationships. If she marries me and she is not attracted and that makes her unhappy, and she only wants the money, well that is her problem, her decision. TLDR: I don't think men who are ugly care if they ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/23 02:50 PM
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https://www.foxnews.com/story/study-men-taken-more-seriously-than-women-when-they-cry
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/23 02:46 PM
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Studies say that men who cry lose respect and attractiveness from women.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/23 02:31 PM
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Never said that, but women are not angels that need so much government and social support... just because they are more emotional they are not less evil.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/23 02:30 PM
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So preselection is more general, that does not deny it exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/23 02:28 PM
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No, I get what you say, I'm just pointing out that being athletic can help you have an edge on sports, health, etc. and that is a net positive for you and therefore for your relationships at the long run. But I do get the benefit is not as direct, so I understand why people deny it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/23 02:24 PM
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The fact that you are trying to blame one gender I don't... In fact, I'm pointing out this because so many women are doing that to demonize men.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/23 02:21 PM
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So women are mature enough for having sex with younger men but not for older men if they want? Weird take.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/23 09:24 PM
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So women should not have sex before 25? I mean, if they are not able to decide have sex with older men, then neither should be able to have sex with immature old men, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/23 09:01 PM
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100% agree, and the husband most care and defend her and the children.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/23 07:53 PM
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Ummm, the brain never fully develops, it is always changing, regenerating, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/23 07:52 PM
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I keep loving the wife that grew with me, of course. Why would I leave such an investment? Advantages of marrying younger women... you enjoy the youth and also the old woman. Advantages of marrying older women... you enjoy only the old. So clearly the first option is the best, and women have no issue dating older men, as they want the man to die first and leave her the money, so it is a win win.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/23 07:17 PM
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Agreed. I noticed this trend a lot "I'm short, so I'm getting fat and do nothing" or "My boyfriend cheated, so all men are pigs and I will be happy alone" or poor-me save-me-please victim stuff like that. Catastrophizing is not good, and I say that because that is what kept me unhappy for most of the time growing up.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/23 07:02 PM
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I'm 30. I'd date women from 18 to 25. Would I date women my age? No, I'd rather choose porn and being alone is better than being with an older woman, in my experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/23 06:36 PM
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I'm sure that all things equal, such as height, muscle is a net positive in men regardless. They have more vitality, they look better in clothes and they also are more useful for physical work. Attractiveness is important, but being strong is far more useful than that, and women do love useful men. Of course short men do not have much options in the first place, but they can squeeze theirs being stronger.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/23 06:32 PM
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No, they really aren’t. Like seriously look up “are single or married women happier”, do it. Literally learned it in psych 202 4 years ago. You literally can find any article supporting your point. Here is one supporting mine: https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/11/20/married-people-have-happier-healthier-relationships-than-unmarried-couples-who-live-together-data-show/ Single women aren’t happier because of options. They are happier because being in a relationship with a man often suck…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/23 06:00 PM
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Single women are on average happier than married women and married men are the happiest overall. Look it up. Married people are overall happier in most marriages, though. Single women are happier than single men because they have options and can change that at any moment, while single men don't. Women have sexual and relationship privilege, so therefore they can choose singlehood or marriage or anything in between and obviously they will be happy if they can choose more than men. Duh. It is not …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/23 05:18 PM
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It is a good point if the wife was not aware of that and therefore, she would not be consenting. In both cases the man is paying, though, so the worse is the deceit and fraud.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/23 03:50 PM
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Both are bad, but the paternity fraud is worse because it implies rising DNA that is not yours, for an evil man and an evil woman. That money could be for your own children but it is going to the child which dad fucked your wife. Disgusting and evil.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/23 03:21 PM
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Infidelity is a betrayal. If there is forgiveness, and the man pays for his consequences with his own money such as another child, good. Meanwhile, paternity fraud is a running evil.. it makes another man rise the DNA of an evil man and evil woman, instead using those resources for his own children. It is unfair for the child too.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/23 03:19 PM
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You know who is the happiest people? Opioid Junkies.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/23 03:16 PM
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Men have less options than women to pick a partner, so they are responsible too, but they have less to say and less options anyway. They are fucked anyway, but indeed that implies most responsibility of getting a good partner is on the side with the most options to pick... women.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/23 03:00 PM
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God forbid it doesn’t work out and she gets (10% of the time) alimony for a couple of years to help her back on her feet because she was out of the workforce for 10 years for being a stay at home mother It made sense like 50 years ago, but in the West women are free to work or study even when married. Those laws are stupid and antiquate, not based on reality, but only kept because they benefit women.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/23 01:26 PM
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wut, dick sucks nothing. The idea that dicks "contaminate" is just the perspective of women who hate men, but on a dating perspective it is clear men get sexual value from women and compensate paying them stuff. It is a fair market as any other.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/23 01:22 PM
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Meh men benefit from marriage more than women do. Married men live longer and are happier. They earn more. They report less health problems. Women are not magical miracle healers, they just pick those men. Meanwhile women can be fat blobs and still get a guy desperate enough to marry them.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/23 01:20 PM
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Agreed, same as what type of man she marriages she can do good or bad with him.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/23 01:18 PM
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So women are bad selectors.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/23 01:18 PM
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Why would women want so badly to get into marriages and then want to divorce their partners Because (1) women have a romantic idea of marriage and (2) law and society is in women's favor after a divorce.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/23 01:16 PM
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People rate everything as more attractive when other people rate it attractive. So? That is exactly the definition of pre-selection. Just because it is not limited to human it does not mean is not a thing. duh
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/23 01:06 PM
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This is silly having lots of sex doesn’t mean a woman is undesirable could be the exact opposite as in she could be really beautiful/attractive and thats why so many guys wants her and she sleeps around I mean, you are right, but as dating material and such they lose value, just as men who do not have sex lose value as they age.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/23 09:27 PM
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I don't want my daughter to be trapped by student debt either, and that is the most likely thing to happen if the path you describe is sold as the ideal (it is a bubble, though).
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/23 09:14 PM
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The redpill is aware that it is unlikely your daughter will not be a whore at some point, and it is likely she will be a divorcee and have children with multiple men, and they cannot fully stop it. He can only try to provide and defend her the best he can until she gets a good man, but he knows that this is an age of promiscuity and rebellion, so it is likely she will do evil anyway. Every father wants the best men for their daughters, but of course what women consider the best men is not what m…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/23 09:14 PM
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Whoreness is a choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/23 09:05 PM
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I'd say rather there is a transfer between value from women to men when they have sex, or from bottom to top man in gay sex. That explains better why men who have lots of sex are sexually romantically richer and desired, and women who have lots of sex are less desirable.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/23 09:04 PM
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That is good, and I hope you and your guy are happy, but also that puts you in a position that you may not getting the best man available for you and he resents that you feel better than him, which creates resentment. But at least you provide him some pre-selection for in case you break, so thank you.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/23 08:24 PM
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Women love drama. I guess the idea is to create a sandbox of drama that does not break the box of marriage but also does not make it boring so she does not leave. It is a very shitty situation for men. Women pick bad men because they provide them the drama, but good men can provide it too, but it is so much effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/23 08:22 PM
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That is a very important variable to consider, and your assumption is reasonable. Thank you very much for bringing it out.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/23 08:19 PM
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Women do not love men. They do not know love. Everything to a woman is a temporary experience or utility when in need. Once you've performed your function, you will be discarded. They only love the drama men can bring, and that is the love they feel for. Women can only have true for their children (if they did not kill them before being born because they fought with their boyfriend or some shit). Assume this about all women and you'll make it. Is it ALL, maybe not, but the chances that you found…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/23 07:47 PM
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But unattractive men can be vicious. On the incel website I found today I see blatant racism and the n word, women being called toilets, and a guy bragging about making women feel unsafe in public. Of course they can be bad and resentful, but you will never know for sure because you do not date them anyway. Meanwhile, good attractive men are all almost universally taken, so either take good average decent men or evil handsome assholes that may beat you. Women prefer the later.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/23 07:42 PM
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You can't accuse all men of being assholes if you always go for the same Chad asshole. Well, they do push taxes on those other men to pay for their bastards. So they cannot get a husband for chad but they indeed make other men pay for their stupid decisions.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/23 07:37 PM
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I'm not saying divorce is always women's rights, but they do have more options, a greater social net and support, more power over stuff such as birth control options, etc. The fact that laws support women more after divorce is atrocious, considering that on top of that they have so much power, they are also rewarded for breaking the marriage. Obviously, that creates a perverse incentive.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/23 07:24 PM
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Men will hold onto a relationship long after it should have died out of a sense of stoicness and loyalty which is an inherent part of so-called toxic masculinity. Weird you see that as negative. I mean, relationships are not supposed to always be in the honeymoon phase, it makes no sense for them to stay like that and no human can keep such thing. Loyalty, commitment, and love must persist, but the infatuation will die away and that is OK. If a person wants infatuation to persist, maybe marriage…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/23 07:18 PM
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More than men, tho.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/23 05:00 PM
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I agree, but women often divorce for stuff such as boredom or having better options or "love is gone". Literally no commitment is important anymore. They openly admit marriage is pointless and when they assume it is stable for children and take that stability as easily, people suffer.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/23 04:59 PM
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I agree it seems the issue is more like biological decisions of each gender interacting with changing institutions. I don't see it ending well, but who knows, maybe we end good after all.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/23 04:58 PM
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You are right, women are not responsible for horrible men, but they still choose them because money, desire or shit like that while actual good loyal men in their own league are ignored because women have better short term options (that crash and burn after a while, of course).
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/23 04:57 PM
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Men are so powerless they are helplessly proposing to women they don’t even care about? Ironically, yes, men also have less options to pick so they have to take what they get and they have greater sexual desire. Not their fault they are horny.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/23 04:55 PM
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Your analysis seems reasonable. Most women are fucked long term, most men are fucked forever.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/23 04:54 PM
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It is a valid form as any other.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/23 04:25 PM
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What I'm more curious about is what you hope to achieve by calling women shit lol I'm not calling women shit. They do seem to have shitty decision making skills that destroy whole families, make generations of criminals and incels and make marriage a useless institution, tho.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/23 04:24 PM
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In almost all cases children from single mems do far worse than in marriage, though. But even if there is no children, this makes marriage looks as a facade, a loss for man and the woman is rewarded by law if broken. It makes also no sense, it is a romantic idea that is expensive and has no real purpose if commitment means nothing and you can end it at any time. Pointless.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/23 04:23 PM
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Sure, just as you can prove it is just about men being evil and somehow hypnotizing women into marriage and doing paperwork shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/23 04:21 PM
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Maybe, sadly they are not very honest about that and project that on men only.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/23 03:58 PM
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What would you say to a man who’s wife cheated on him and he filed for divorce? You would tell him he’s responsible for picking a horrible woman and that he’s not a victim essentially? If he ignored the red flags, yes. However, sadly men do not have much power on choosing good women. They have to pick what they get, unlike women who do can pick and choose better but don't. Women find a way to lose in tutorial mode.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/23 03:57 PM
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So you admit women are more likely to join shit marriages and also are more responsable for joining them if they want more commitment than men, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/23 03:56 PM
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If given all else equal, then women are less resilient for relationships, even being more attracted to them. It may also suggest women are worse selectors than they expect, as women have almost all dating and sexual power in the west. It also proves that divorce is not seen as seriously by women even given the consequences it may have for their families.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/23 03:55 PM
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Lesbians and gay men experience different kinds of homophobia, and lesbians marry way more often. Agree, but I doubt the difference is enough to explain this. Also, why leave the person you love as company in a hostile homophobic world? It makes no sense if homophobia is the cause.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/23 03:41 PM
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Women don't initiate relationship and marriages... Depends on how you define a relationship, women are more likely to prefer some form of commitment from the man and prefer men who are open to such arrangement too. Still, men do make the commitment "official" but women are the choosers, they have literally 10x more choices than men on a partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/23 03:34 PM
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A man who decides to reproduce with a woman incapable of raising their child in a healthy way is equally responsible for the outcome. Men have less options than women to pick from, also women have most power on choosing and also on birth control methods. So yes, men are too blame too on women rising kids bad, but also getting rid of the father for not being as good as her ex is bad for the child even if both parents are good on everything else.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/23 03:32 PM
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“more women initiate” also means nothing cause there is nothing to indicate if said initiation was reactive or not, and that variable alone determines a lot It does indicate that blaming men when they are not the variable is dishonest and not ground in reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/23 03:30 PM
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Yes, but I'm talking about how deceiving the paperwork divorce argument is and how some women want to just avoid responsibilities for their own bad decisions by blaming men while they are the variable in these failed relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/23 03:27 PM
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I agree divorce is necessary in many cases, but that is not my point. My point is that women make terrible decisions for men that don't care shit about them. I blame women because they have power in this market. Single mothers also join a dating downspiral that is bad for children and their own mental health. But divorce itself is not good or bad, it is what it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/23 03:25 PM
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Funny... like 2 decades trying to convince people that gay marriage is not so different, but somehow it is when convenient. My point is that women often claim they file divorce more because the man, or because they fill the paperwork. Lesbian couples don't have the man, and both can file paperwork, and therefore it proves that claim is bullshit. Male couples are less likely to divorce so it proves it is not a thing caused by homophobia necessarily.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/23 03:23 PM
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Yes you remove the man as a variable, and you are even MORE likely to divorce. And of course, women are not responsible for picking these horrible men even having all the options and sexual power in this dating market. They are such helpless victims. You cannot make this shit up.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/23 03:15 PM
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...they have less desire to stay in failing relationships than men. It also shows how likely they are to form failed relationships in the first place, even given the disastrous consequences for their children. But hey, at least you are "finding yourself" or some shit, no need to tradeoffs. Your own happiness surely comes before happy children and even over some sacrifices implied in every relationship.... you need your yoga.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/23 03:11 PM
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BOTH men and women hold responsibility in this huge fatherless home epidemic. Not really. Who has more power in dating and sex? Women. Who are the choicers of the man? Women. Who has the most options for birth control and abortion and adoption? Women. Who open the legs and put the least effort to get sex? Women. Who can get sex after half an our in tinder? Women. So it is reasonable to put the most responsibility on women, not men.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/23 03:05 PM
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Hell I’ve even heard of men leaving their wives to be with another woman Lesbian couples are the most violent and divorce even more: The lesbian divorce rate is much higher than the divorce rate between men: in the same period on average 100 women and 45 men divorced per year (i.e., Lesbian divorce rate = 14%, Gay Male divorce rate = 7%). A study tracking married couples over a 10 year span found lesbian marriages were most likely to end in divorce. source
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/23 02:50 PM
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Men are not leaving the women, women are leaving the men. A 2015 study by the American Sociological Association found that women initiate two-thirds of all divorces, a staggering 69% to be exact. College-educated women initiate divorce at an even higher rate: 90%. So yes, they are to blame. I guess leaving their 5 years husband is "brave" and "powerful" to "find themselves" or some shit like that. I guess it is worth rising criminals and a loser generation of slut daughters and boy incels, right…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/23 02:27 PM
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Both are bad, but on consequences it is worse to rise and pay for a child that is not yours for 18 years than to pay for a child that is yours but from another woman. The idea that some women here consider it as equally bad proves how women dehumanize men and see them as cash flows to pay for their bastards and have no sympathy for men. No, your husband having a child with another woman will not make the faithful woman pay for it, so it is not the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/23 01:55 PM
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Sure, not every single mom is like that, but most is. Even "good" single moms have huge consequences for children. Most violent criminals grew in fatherless houses, they also have horrible marriages and they are likely to become incels at best. Yes, single mother women created the generation of incels they hate. They do not deserve any sympathy.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/23 01:54 PM
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...why are you so angry at single mothers. Because they took only bad decisions and still expect society, taxpayers and other men to take care for them and pay for their consequences. So yes, they deserve the hate they get and it will only get worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/23 01:48 PM
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You’ve got men, 35+ year old men demanding young women who are feminine, submissive, hold traditional views ect. The same men who have no hobbies themselves, haven’t read a book in a decade and think therapy is pointless. I demand that as a man because I have no problem just using porn if I don't get it. No, I will not take care of you and your bastard after you fucked like 200 guys. No, I will not pay for your college debt so you can still be fat.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/23 01:39 PM
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Women ghost you if they had secret sex. They do not want to be seen as sluts even often being exactly that. They key here is that women always want men to carry all the sins, and also that is how weak men often attract women: by blaming themselves for female's bad decisions, agreeing to their irrational demands, saying "you are right", taking care of their bastards, etc. This is why when women have secret sex and they are found out, they always claim the guy "hypnotized" or "manipulated" them so…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/23 01:38 PM
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No, unless she has a genetic illness, most ugliness can be described on terms of bad nutrition, no style, traumas, mouth breathing, or bad habits such as smoking or using drugs. Surgeries may fix issues that are not even genetic, such as those caused by accidents or falling when you were a baby. So I don't care so much about ugly face being hidden by surgery if there is a healthy person behind.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/23 08:18 PM
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Not saying it is all women, but mainly women are the ones claiming this shit and assuming they will never lose sexual value or friends or shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/23 06:49 PM
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If you think suicide is a valid option, then you should stop using that as an argument point. I'm not, just pointing out that older women are not as happy as they claim. Men either, but at least they are not coping by lying.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/23 06:33 PM
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That is good, other people may use them to deal with issues such as rejection and loneliness.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/23 05:36 PM
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WTF no one is talking about revenge here. You are projecting your prosecution delusions in random users.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/23 05:35 PM
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I don't think anyone is arguing humanity will go away, it will just have a very traumatic demographic and social correction.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/23 03:49 PM
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23% of women in their 40s and 50s take antidepressants, a higher percentage than any other group (by age or sex) Women are 2½ times more likely to be taking an antidepressant than men (click here to read a May 2011 article in the Harvard Mental Health Letter about women and depression) https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/astounding-increase-in-antidepressant-use-by-americans-201110203624
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/23 03:47 PM
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My concern is the huge percent of older, retired people that we will have and younger people will have to take care of. Will younger people care for them? Will they think about taxes as fair? Will mass euthanasia be implemented? I see only demographic hell in the horizon.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/23 03:27 PM
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Society relies on the surplus and abundance than men work for when they want to compete for mates. If enough men check out and do their own thing it will bring down society. I think people realize this on an unconscious level and criticize them. Not saying I blame these men for withdrawing but it will have a negative effect on society over time. You are right. It seems like an unconscious meme to keep the pyramid scheme of civilization running.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/23 03:15 PM
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Some men have no luxury to be loved outside of their mom's house, so they choose mom and videogames and porn. It is sad but it is a logical way to cope instead loneliness and depression.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/23 03:06 PM
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Sure, but it is unfair to not consider those inner desires. Relatively speaking they may be stronger overall, to control that.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/23 02:44 PM
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In the animal kingdom, most of the males of a species never pass on their genes or have a mate. They also treat females like properties, they are raped and so their daughters. You cannot cherry pick nature. Also, biologically speaking, male sexlessness is normal and even a good thing That is assuming no civilization or culture. Women do love the security and opportunities that culture offers, and if you take away that sexual tradeoffs and return to "nature", expect that safety net to fall out to…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/23 02:33 PM
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What I find the most disgusting in this society is not that horrible fact, but the fact that even men who gave up on dating and are actually OK with porn and video games on their own way are being demonized, shamed and sometimes labeled as terrorist. These men are not bothering any woman, nor trying to tear down society. They are just living their own life, working just enough for them, and yet they are hated. This is pure evil just to put effort to make these men with nothing even more unhappy.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/23 02:32 PM
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Are there any incels in your room right now?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/23 02:21 PM
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and society has been telling men for years now that women don’t want men approaching them. This. But I suspect they mean only a subset of men, not all men, which I find akin to a shit test and not an actual conviction.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/23 02:18 PM
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Truth is your chances of getting in trouble for harassment without harassing anyone are extremely slim. BPD is very common among women. Those women will find ways to demonize anyone, even if they come in good faith. They may easily destroy your life, maybe not legally, but just tell their brother or ex you are creep and they may beat you.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/23 02:17 PM
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So if a woman isn’t getting approached much or ever, that does signal that a lot fewer men are interested. Women here claim it is a good thing. A relief or something.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/23 02:16 PM
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We have not collapsed thanks to migration, but even migrants are stopping having babies.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/23 02:14 PM
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Impossible. Many women over 40 are single, childless. They will not marry and they are too old to have children, in-vitro only works for like 5% people. These women and men will have family that will go its own way and they will find themselves alone in their 50s and 60 and slowly losing their minds. There is not fix here.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/23 02:13 PM
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Imagine being a western woman, having all privilege, apps, society, laws, etc. on your side. Still finding a way to lose. Not speaking about women who choose to be single, but those who complain here not getting men. Imagine playing in tutorial mode and still finding a way to lose. They are delusional.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/23 02:08 PM
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Men are weaker in the sense of controlling themselves and their urges. Are men really weaker if testosterone makes their sexual desires significantly stronger anyway?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/23 02:07 PM
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Easy when they can get sex fast if they want, also they have lovers and orbiters around.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/23 02:05 PM
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Over 72% of women over 40 years of age have " given up" to invisibility. Well, it was their choice. I guess it is easier to take that antidepressant than lower standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/23 02:05 PM
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But if you mean most men are shit/abusive/lazy/manchild… (which i do not agree with) Are not women more likely to be fat than men? Women also have sexual value for less years than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/23 02:04 PM
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Yes, but relatively speaking I think men still are more resilient and if women suffered as much probably would kill themselves even more.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/23 01:01 PM
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It is not realistic at some age when everyone is settled and making friends get exponentially hard. Men have it harder as they are expected to win even having no advantage for having a vagina as women do.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 09:06 PM
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These guys have no trouble showing their "emotions" LOL and terrorizing everyone and everything around them. Sure, but they suffer huge social and legal consequences for that. Women don't, women can go crazy as they often go on a supermarket line and they will not be shot as a man would.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 08:38 PM
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Guys (even with BPD) usually learn early they cannot express their emotion and anger as easily as women do, since they are stronger and also society will not forgive them for that. Women can still complain, cry and make a show like children and most men and women with sill ponder to them. The infantilization of women is not empowering for women, but it make women comfortable to be crazy.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 08:08 PM
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Imagine a tall, young virile man with a rock hard dick and sexual stamina and is great in bed women get that anyway, so I don't get why they complain. they just don't want to share
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 07:29 PM
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Yes, but at that point they have lost youth and sex appeal. Imagine a younger woman with all those skills and still fertile and attractive... that would be God-sent.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 06:39 PM
2

You're still not going to get women to sleep with you with that attitude Oh no, my wife cannot read this.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 06:12 PM
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The only institution for boys that I know of is the boy scouts, and it definitely wasn't women who destroyed that, https://edition.cnn.com/2019/02/01/us/boy-scouts-girls-trnd/index.html#:~:text=It%E2%80%99s%20official%3A%20Girls%20can%20now%20join%20the%20Boy,girls%20between%20the%20ages%20of%2011%20and%2017. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/maleonly-clubs-face-ban-under-new-law-9234349.html
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 06:12 PM
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Umm, sorry if it applies to you? It is not personal.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 06:06 PM
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Good for you. I'm so happy for you. WOW you are an independent being. Still men are entertainers for women in dating, and they do not want to pay for that entertainment (sex) so they wonder why they are considered boring as hell.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 05:54 PM
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...and you wonder why women don't want to sleep with you Again, personal insults. You do not know if I'm gay, you do not know if I'm married, or even a woman, you know shit. Obviously, you have no arguments.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 05:53 PM
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Men have to pay dates, protect, plan ahead dates, be social, love but not needy, etc. Women have all the power on dating, so women can ask men to do almost everything. Some women cannot even give the minimum such as sex, as they are just as interesting as a rock, and then get mad when men actually expect the only thing they have to offer (which is only opening legs and staying still as a corpse, but apparently that is too much work).
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 04:31 PM
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There are only two things certain in life, death and taxes. Get used to it because they exist in every country Exactly, which is why your infantile rage of "Go live in a cave if you don't want to contribute to society." is so immature, as you know it is not possible. You are just justifying the existence of a slave system and justifying yourself as a good slave.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 04:29 PM
1

What is the attitude of middle age women (middle age is 40-45) Older women have nice jokes, they initiate conversations, they often go out more unlike many young women, they have actual hobbies, they are more emotionally stable, family oriented, they are more confident speaking to men and strangers, they look more empathic, etc. Young women only win on less dating baggage and youth, and yet older women have so many good qualities, yet a few only focus on losing sex appeal from men and often rese…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 04:27 PM
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I think you get me wrong, it is not about sex but social expectancies on each gender. Women can work or stay at home if they want, men have to work. Women can dress as women or as men and it is fashion, men can't. ETC.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 04:21 PM
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I think attractive men realize they have options since being young. Unattractive or average men often only have their mom and indirectly their mom knows they do not have much hope, but that makes the situation worse for him.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 04:17 PM
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I think best women are younger women with the attitude of average middle age women, except for the entitlement, of course. Otherwise they just become more social to compensate for lost youth instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 04:16 PM
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Women become more boring as they age? No, but they compensate for the loss of sex appeal being "funnier" after they are too old. Women who are fun and healthy and also not promiscuous are taken fast.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 04:15 PM
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I believe their main issue is pre-selection. They improved themselves 3x from adolescence and theoricaly they can now get women, but they don't as women ask why they are still single at their 30s or late 20s. It is a huge red flag for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 04:14 PM
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Agreed, but I think many men earning well today are not getting women. If this market becomes widespread, those men will have accesss to it and money will again be a motivator for relationships and sex instead social status or looks alone. That will motivate men to earn more instead of trying to change their own genetics.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 04:12 PM
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It’s not harder to beat 50% that spend all their whole lives just jerking and swiping on tinder. Most men I know who are far better than 50% of men are still not able to pull women, and women do not need men as much anymore. It is over.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 03:58 PM
1

What specific tax benefits do single women qualify for that single men do not based on sex only? Women are more likely to benefit from welfare, charities, divorce, legal punishments are easier on them, pregnant women have all support, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 03:57 PM
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Most men's social network is not that big, and most of those men who do have big social networks are they typical chads that just want to use women for a while and leave. It seems this society is arranged to make the most people unhappy as possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 03:54 PM
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Become Chad and this stops being an issue lol. Sure, let me buy one foot taller.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 03:47 PM
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Which is why every time when people say “you’ll never find a low body count girl so n count shaming will make you die lonely” is dumb. Those women never go out and never join dating apps, so they will stay alone as they want. No way to meet them. Meanwhile women who do want sex and dating have already miles of dick.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 03:47 PM
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I had a female lunch buddy in work. All male coworkers got jealous, assuming I am a player (while I never dated at that point) and all women supposed we were a couple, when if fact we were nothing! Not even friends, we were just going for lunch together. It is so tiresome, but I kinda enjoyed the lies they told themselves. I also enjoyed the status that I did not even look for.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 03:45 PM
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It is quite ironic it is like it was in ancient and biblical times, when people married to have children, benefit their families or get a life quality, instead just love or company. Maybe that is the normal arrangement.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 03:39 PM
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Personally I prefer loneliness over rejection. I'll find a way to overcome both and share it here! No need for love, friendship or some shit from people that despised you anyway in the first place. We will do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 03:13 PM
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I think it is already kind of normalized for men as promiscuity for men is not as consequential as for women. Men do not get pregnant. Men also have to work harder to be promiscuous, so it is a skill, while women have to literally just open legs and smile. Therefore, men who get women are skillful, while women who get men are just easy and not marriage material.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 03:09 PM
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At this point, my ideal arrangement would be some sort of "sugar baby/daddy" relationship. It is a good arrangement and probably will be normalized in the future. Soft prostitution is the way, younger woman wins and you win.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 03:01 PM
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I think most women are extremely boring overall, so that is why men only request them for sex. Even boring women want a "fun" man and expect to be entertained for free. Women get mad when men expect SOMETHING from them, at least sex, at least company after giving everything. Somehow women believe their presence is enough, while in fact it is often expensive, annoying, a waste of time and in many cases it ends in nothing of value. Main use of most boring women is them being bridges to meet other …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 02:57 PM
1

Men have not many options to pick as women do :(
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 02:53 PM
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High number does not mean high value because some men are part of the swinger community and they get sex with other uggos. Disgusting people having sex with other disgusting people with Hep b. I think quality of women and relationships is more important to determinate what a high value man is, but they are almost all taken.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 02:33 PM
7

Carl Jung also said that moms do not want their sons to leave sometimes, and the sons do not want to grow up, so they conspire to do this.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 02:26 PM
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[Moms] mould their sons into a guy who they know other women won’t be attracted to (I.e. shy, passive, compliant etc.). I don't think it is conscious, but Carl Jung said that this is an unconscious conspiracy between the mother and the child. She does not want to be alone, the boy does not want to grow up. Women destroyed all male-only institutions that gave boys any hope.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 02:23 PM
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I said that and I repent now I said that because she told everyone I'm looking for a relationship, which makes me look desperate, which basically puts me in a worse position.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 02:20 PM
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Many moms basically destroyed any chance their son to get into a relationship, ever. Women do not know what huge damage their are causing trying to "educate" boys on relationship. It is like they do not want their son to ever live or be happy.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 02:19 PM
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They pretended to be working, but the markets were legally established, not true markets based on needs and wants so shortages were common.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 02:13 PM
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No, not even close.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 02:12 PM
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LMAO what better option? Like, you know, have some respect for yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 02:12 PM
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Go live in a cave if you don't want to contribute to society. Funny, in most of America you cannot even legally own a house without paying taxes to a government that hates you, and you cannot renounce American citizenship. So that option is not possible even for people who want it, and you offering it as an option is you just coping with the fact you are just as slave as any other and a a buttlicker.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 02:11 PM
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Why would they fight to get in the industries that they aren't interested in and which nasty job is paying better than most jobs women prefer? Because they do want power in those institutions but do not want to start as men start there. Women believe they are royalty.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 02:09 PM
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Men get paid for the jobs they do. Same with women who choose abusive men, and yet they still require to pull government resources to compensate for their stupid decisions.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 02:07 PM
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I work so hard and my boss and the government hasn't sent me the harem of femboys Have you tried opening a dating app?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 02:05 PM
1

Just as many men, I do not have any friends so a wife would be nice solution for that. Sadly, women do not like men without friends so much either so I have to eat the pain and cope in another way.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 02:03 PM
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You would be surprised how many men never had sex with their religious girlfriends or had sex just once or twice in years.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 02:02 PM
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Women tax contribution is negative after all the benefits they pull. However, women contribute socially more than men on other aspects. I'd say it evens out, but on taxes men pay more and get less financial and asset benefits.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 02:00 PM
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Anyone who "replaces" their partner is not a top man, but I get what you are saying By definition, a top man is someone who is valuable enough to be able to do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 01:59 PM
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I think you are right. I suspect that men are more resilient even without social and emotional support, but I cannot give evidence for that. Still, many shit men do would make women suicidal.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 01:58 PM
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Women already have the social and emotional support they need by just existing. They do not need any particular person, but they do need men and women to support them as a collective, which is OK.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 01:56 PM
1

Hope fantasy vs Revenge fantasy, you know.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 01:55 PM
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Imagine living in tutorial mode, having value for just having a vagina, requiring you to just smile and not be too fat... and still find a way to fuck it up. These women have problably Borderline Personality Disorder, Narcissism or other personality disosders. Even with that, they should be able to get a man on their own league, but they are to entitled and probably had sex with a high value guy at some point. Sorry, I cannot have empathy for those women even if they were part of my family. They…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 01:54 PM
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Give me any value marriage between old people get. Marriage is only good if you have children or you are religious. Otherwise you can get sex, company, less stress, etc. not marrying at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 09:26 PM
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You are giving her far more than what she is giving you and you are assuming that is a good thing, to not ask for more like a nice dog. She knows she is more valuable than you so she will not hesitate to replace you when a new better option comes.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 09:24 PM
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So get a sex doll honestly a nut is a nut if your dropping out because girls don't like you you don't deserve any sex You are making it personal, you do not know if I'm a man or if I'm gay. Clearly you have no argument, you are also a slave of pussy and pussified society so you act as a white knight and convince yourself you are free.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 09:23 PM
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Precisely my post is describing that reality, I was never trying to push any "activism" as you imagined.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 09:20 PM
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Women care about pre-selection, not how much experience. They just care if you had relationships so they do not have to figure our if you are dateable. It is just female laziness.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 09:19 PM
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In neither case do I ask them to do "emotional labor" for me. Worse, you are simping for nothing of value in return. Eventually she will get bored, and she will dump you as any other man can do what you are doing for her. The only value you put on her is sexual at the end, and she knows that so will use that in other guy when she dumps you.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 09:16 PM
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Agreed, SEA maxing is the future. In a sense it is what women do with apps... they get the best men 100 miles around, men can do that but looking even further, SEAmaxxing.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 09:11 PM
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It is 90% women working there to take care of society and make the county function. And yet they are still a net lost given all the benefits they take compared to their taxes.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 09:04 PM
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If all I'm doing is living a normal life, just without trying to date women, what else am I losing out on? Men have greater sexual desire than women so they physiologically need them more than the other way around.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 09:03 PM
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Maybe it is not a priority for you or me, but it is for many men. Even if it was not a priority, the sexual desire is strong too.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 09:02 PM
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Also even if you get into MGTOW you are still paying taxes for the wealth you produce for government benefits you will never get, but women and men who despise you will. It is always a lose for the man as society will always pay using men's lives, but I agree it is better than being homeless.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 08:49 PM
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The fact obesity genes are so persistent is because men select for them. Precisely, they should not select for those genes to prevent future incels and losers. You get my point now?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 08:47 PM
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...but as I've said before dropping out of society because you dont get female attention is betta simp sht.. Suppose you have two options: Be a beta and get nothing. Be a beta and get nothing but also put effort and work simping for a society that gives you back nothing significant. First is less simping. If no women ever talks to me again I won't drop out because I like having a roof over my head steak in my fridge cogniac in my glass gas in my truck an AMEX in my wallet and I'm still trying to…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 08:46 PM
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Good for you, but sadly most men do not think like that and women know it and exploit that.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 08:45 PM
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Both genders depend on enough workers and tax payers out there, take half of them and you'll get economic and social collapse. Agreed, but I'm not talking about the quantity but quality and nature of the contribution. Men contribute more by creating wealth and women more by caring and birthing. Nothing wrong with that, both genders are important.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 08:44 PM
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If these leftover men had a collective voice, what exactly would they ask for? A return to forced monogamy? That's untenable. Agreed, and I think that is the reason that is why they are not fighting. Regardless, it does baffles me that they still contribute to the shitty system instead of letting it rot, which is a power they do have and can punishes society. Regardless, I think who wants to enforce monogamy the most is women after all, after they pick the man they like they do not want to share…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 08:42 PM
0

that's dysgenic
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 08:38 PM
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Agreed, but usually the trap is on the fact most people in the West consider atheists as materialists or pro-science naturalists, and that is not the case for probably most atheists in the world anyway. Anyone using those statistics to favor atheism or theism somehow is ignoring the greater picture. Also you shall argue is ancient spirits or ancestors shall be considered gods too.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 08:31 PM
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You shall start getting rid of fat women. They not only are bad for the environment and they cost more healthcare, they also have worse genes and they are ugly as hell.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 08:29 PM
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100% is extinction, though. Absurd.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 08:23 PM
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Sad but true. Still the illusion is powerful, and the social status of having a wife or gf is enough for most men.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 08:23 PM
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but there were some critics about how we measure the amount of value that women do that is unpaid which if fair, nowadays women are actually outpacing men in workplace participation so maybe it will flip the other way I kinda agree on this, this is why contribution women do is mostly subjective. You cannot measure love or care as easily. I'd say women contribute the same of men but as the nature of contribution is different, then they do depend on each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 08:22 PM
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We all depend on the collective of men, and we all depend on individual women to be born, but that is the key difference: men are replaceable from the perspective of women, women are not replaceable from the perspective of the man unless the man is high value. This dependency is equal in about but different in quality and structure.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 08:19 PM
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cringe
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 08:17 PM
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Sure, just as both genders depend on institutions and infrastructure built and paid mostly by men, both genders need to be from women. But that is not what I'm talking about, I never said one gender did not depend on another, but how they depend on another varies by gender norms and trends.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 08:16 PM
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Yes, but I'm talking about the most general trend. Even in progressive couples women often do most house and emotional labor, for example. Men also do most dangerous and hard jobs. Gender roles are not enforced by law anymore, but they are still strong as trends.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 08:14 PM
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Not necessarily. Just as labor can be used to do evil things such as war, fertility can be used to produce wage slaves and cheap labor.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 08:13 PM
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Actually, gay couples prove this very well. Often one part adopts most gender roles of the opposite gender in a relationship to keep a balance, although this is more unconscious.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 08:12 PM
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Even if you're argument that men mostly do the high income jobs, that's what women are fighting to get their foot in. Glad you admit women are fighting for power in those industries and not actual equal representation or equality there. No woman is fighting for the lowest position of such industries, even when nasty jobs pay better than most jobs women prefer. [Women depend on the collective of men for infrastructure, protection, most welfare, and safe environment from natural disasters.] Doesn'…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 08:11 PM
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What women contribute is important, but I'm talking about general trends. In a sense, women doing jobs such as nurses and teachers is actually based on gender roles after all about caring and empathizing, which is my point that that is the market women sell the most.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 08:08 PM
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I agree fertility is a public good, but it is not on power of government and cannot be controlled as easily as money and labor produced mainly by men. Prostitution is also discouraged, and it is a cheap replacement to relationships, just as government is a cheap husband for women, yet that is what it does.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 08:07 PM
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I think the problem with these trends is that are hard to study because the label of each religion. Most people claim to be Christian in America but also are not very religious. In the same token, most people who claim to have no religion still believe in God or have some religious traditions that they observe once in a while. Also, what is religiosity? If someone goes to church but does not believe in God, is that person religious? If someone prays all day but never goes to church, is that pers…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 08:02 PM
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Hoping for the worse is a valid way of coping, just as close to reality as hoping for the best.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 07:27 PM
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I'm not praising past times, but the fact we evolved to fight and thrive given struggle may imply that our happiness may be kind of dependent on some pain after all. I'd say people in the past had more contrast... hunger and also lots of food during harvesting, good families but also a terrible husband, a tight community that helped but also discouraged any privacy, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 07:26 PM
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I don’t know any woman who has gotten married later in life that even wanted a huge wedding Sure, and men never wanted to pay for it either. Most marriage between older people is pointless, just symbolic. Not even deep love, just company.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 07:24 PM
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I think this will only happen if (1) the tech becomes so good it is almost real and (2) a kind of drug is created to compensate for the obvious copium. I think both are feasible.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 07:22 PM
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Pussy or bussy?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 07:21 PM
1

although the overwhelming majority marry If younger people had so different now compared to 30 years ago, is not it reasonable to believe that such trend will not hold either? You don't need to have a romantic relationship to maintain mental health, but you do need to have other social connections in most cases aside from the occasional ascetic/happy hermit. Those social connections can be with friends, mentors, mentees, family, colleagues. Agreed, but remember that most people who cannot get pa…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 07:19 PM
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until they are too tired to put effort into a relationship. Maybe that is when they will have to find hard ways to be happy alone. It will be interesting times. People today feel alone but as an exception, I think that their loneliness will be different when 80% people are alone and everyone knows it. Kinda of company in loneliness.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 07:17 PM
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What is the point of marrying old? It makes no sense. It is pointless.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 07:16 PM
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(and insignificant to those who are awaiting some sort of a "boom" to happen in their lifetime) Sad. I wanted Sodom to burn.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 05:49 PM
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Cope Yes, HPV is a bitch. Cope queen
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 05:46 PM
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I tried SSRIs but they did not help me a lot. I think I'm kind of addicted to psychological suffering, though. Why is it so good to be a victim?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 05:24 PM
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I kind of have this hypothesis. Some people disagree but I believe that the past people were happier because their struggle was embedded... worse health, living less, hard work, etc. So they were psychologically happier but physiologically they struggled more. Today, that struggle was put away thanks to technology, so only struggle is issues that are mental, unable to be handled or measured properly, so everyone is lost.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 05:19 PM
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That is not what the study says, but yes, knowing the man you married is not the man that fucked you and used you all of your 20s as a cum tissue must be very depressing.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 05:18 PM
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Older women with little to no relationship experience like me. What will happen to us? Almost all old people I know had relationships, even children.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 05:16 PM
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I wonder if the reason is that they are just moving to the West.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 05:14 PM
1

Other factors are the baggage older women carry. Men too but at least men are expected to carry it themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 05:13 PM
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And society would never function like that. Somewhere as we speak there’s a 40 year old married man who hasn’t gotten sex from his wife in years and he’s getting ready to file his tax return Yes, that is sad. At least that man has the facade of marriage that gives him social status, but still.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 04:02 PM
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I hope some drugs to treat loneliness are developed. I don't see people anytime soon returning to tribal and family life anymore, at least for a few generations. Maybe drugs to avoid deep loneliness can help us all.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 04:00 PM
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In my opinion these things will self-regulate. I believe the same, but in nature things often self-regulate by many beings dying or suffering for a while. I hope it is not our case.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 03:59 PM
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I hope this collective sacrifice of relationships and love is an excellent counterexample for future generations for centuries. At least we may serve for something good at the end.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 03:57 PM
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Would a man prefer a pretty 35 year old or an unattractive 20 year old (who is otherwise fit breeding stock)? It must be an exceptionally attractive old woman, but even that the guy may want to have children and choose the younger one anyway. But don't worry, women can always date even older!
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 03:55 PM
1

Well, no chad marrying them fantasy either :(
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 03:19 PM
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Oh gosh thank you for laying out incel talking points it’s not like I don’t see them 3 and 4 times a day here. /s Funny you call incel talking points what women here admit openly. You’re likely repeating it but you certainly didn’t see women here saying they only date top 5% of men. Stop. That is the man they describe. They aim for a man that is far better than themselves, and sorry to say but there are not enough men for them all. Even if all men improved, there would be a new top 5% on other a…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 03:17 PM
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Women have many struggles, but dating and relationships are not them. I'm just pointing out they do not recognize their own privilege and rather make choices that will make them and most men unhappy. Pregnancy, blood every month, etc. that sucks.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 03:02 PM
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Hopefully people who are just going to be bitter and resentful stay single, and leave other happy women and men to get together. So probably like 80% of men and women should be done with dating and relationship, sadly... or maybe gladly?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 02:55 PM
1

Your despise for women is starting to creep in. What? I'm not despising women. What are you talking about?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 02:53 PM
1

If only a minority of men get all benefits of society and most men are disvowed and ignored and rejected, then those men should not contribute to society and even try the best to make it crash. It is not only fair, but a moral necessity because the immoral thing is to keep alive a society that is so unfair against you.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 02:52 PM
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Women’s standards are too high but magically an attractive man’s isn’t Let me explain it easily for you: Men lust women more than women lust men. Men desire the status and sexual benefits of women, while women have such things even without commitment to men. Women find attractive the same kind of guys, but many have to settle eventually for less. There are not enough top men in the world for all women that desire them, so those men can be picky and women get resentful and hate all men because th…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 02:50 PM
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Women will not have the same type of loneliness than a man does. Agreed. Men have more sexual and intimacy loneliness, women suffer more emotional loneliness (which is often just depression and mental illness because they are never really lonely nor they have any real struggle socially as vagina gives them a floor of privilege). Men still want women younger than them. Young men still have older women fetishes. I'm sure the first are like 10x more men than the later. Also desperate horny young si…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 02:48 PM
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Sure, but commitment is not required for companionship and sex anymore. Also as divorce became common, marriage itself is a hallow institution, an aesthetic facade with all disadvantages and responsibilities but with the rewards you can get outside of it anyway. That is why men who marry older women do not pay huge weddings and dresses. That is why they avoid marriage if they can, and women often too. At some point why would any want companionship with a woman that probably resents you because s…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 02:45 PM
1

Again, you are only limiting fertility to children, but the issue is that unconsciously the body of men and women is made to be attracted to it. Even if you hate children, fertility is still attractive at a very primitive level.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 02:40 PM
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Yes, we have seen in real time a societal change that will probably affect humanity for decades, if not centuries. I just hope most men are not that idiot and stop contributing to a society that disenfranchised them, and let chads and women pay for a society only they really enjoy, but I cannot hold my bread because how idiotic and weak men have become.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 02:27 PM
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Sometimes pseudointellectuals indeed use how much books they read to sell themselves as superior or more educated, even if they read trashy teen novels.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 02:24 PM
1

Even redpilled guys are not obsessed with Tate, only people who hate him made him extremely famous, which is ironic.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 02:23 PM
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Promiscuity devalues what women appreciate the most from relationships, which is commitment and loyalty.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 02:08 PM
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It is both. The Wall is a societal thing based on a biological reality. I don't get why women deny it exists. Men do not deny they have many walls for them... how much money they make, how tall they are, how much status they have, etc. Women are so privileged that at least they get to have a chance unlike many men who at best were lucky.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 02:06 PM
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Since 2000, women with 10 or more partners were the most likely to divorce And women who were virgins on their wedding night were the least likely to get divorced, according to the study. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-4085758/Experts-reveal-sexual-partners-ve-determine-likely-DIVORCE.html
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 01:55 PM
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Since 2000, women with 10 or more partners were the most likely to divorce https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-4085758/Experts-reveal-sexual-partners-ve-determine-likely-DIVORCE.html
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 01:53 PM
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The average n count for women is almost in the double digits, its pretty obvious sluts can get commitment if they want to. Famous sluts have other things such as status and fame itself, though. Women can be sluts but studies prove that they are less trustworthy and no, most men do not want to deal with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 01:49 PM
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They will probably not become Muslims, but indeed they will be replaced by them as Westerners stop having children and welcome Muslims in the emptying West.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 01:48 PM
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The problem is you are justifying your position using exceptions to the rule to justify a mathematically impossible arrangement for all women that want a relationship with a man they actually want. Unless they want to share, which would not be a surprise it becomes common this decade.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 01:45 PM
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I generally don't agree with women on most dating issues here, but I think women are right not trusting most men. I mean, even if you are redpilled or blackpilled, you know most men who did not get women will be resentful and it is an ugly thing that is developing in this dating market. I'm glad I do not have a daughter, so not my problem, though. This is the world modern women have chosen anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 01:31 PM
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Sure, and there is a prince marrying an used up American single mom with no real royal value or noble linage, destroying the heritage of his own family. Does that mean all women deserve or can get a prince? No.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 01:28 PM
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I thought that, but also testosterone is lower than ever, and distractions such as porn and internet make people docile. So I don't know if there will ever be any serious pushback.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 01:26 PM
4

Biggest evidence the wall exist is women bitching for men dating younger women. Gladly, they cannot do anything about it and men actually laugh at their pseudo-moral anger.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 01:25 PM
1

These two groups one doesn’t stay young like a fucking vampire they’re aging too. Attractive men stay attractive far longer than attractive women, though. It is all attached to fertility.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 01:23 PM
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30 is not as old as you think it is. Agreed, but it is not as young as women want to believe either. At that age you have lost most of your eggs and infertility rises by the year, and so the chances of abortions and birth defects. Of course, not an issue if you do not want children, but men are naturally attracted to fertility anyway because it goes beyond any intellectual justification or makeup layer.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 01:21 PM
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I don't think the claims about the wall are about women not getting sex, but not getting any romantic or high investment from men they are interested in. What is the use of those older women except sex? There is little to no hope for children. Even the weddings later in life are cheaper because you are not really starting anything very important.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 01:20 PM
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Quite ironic the wall is being described as come from men if it is a female invention to pressure commitment from men to make a family. The wall did not come from redpill men coping, but from women getting desperate to have a baby in their 30s.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 01:19 PM
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Medieval lifespan was greater than that of classic Rome, which is wild considering that most people left cities and moved to the countryside. Most myths about medieval life are from protestant campaigns against Catholic Church, and later adopted by pedant intellectuals that had an idyllic and utopic view of classic times, disconnected from reality. I'm not saying medieval times were not harsh, they were, but they were not especially bad, and the centralization of the church and the rise of Europ…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 01:11 PM
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23% of women in their 40s and 50s take antidepressants, a higher percentage than any other group (by age or sex) https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/astounding-increase-in-antidepressant-use-by-americans-201110203624
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 12:57 PM
2

This, it is so fucked up.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 12:55 PM
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I get your point, but you are assuming society will stay the same. I think disenchanted half population will cause more unpredictable issues in society that we are to see.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 12:53 PM
0

True. Disturbing how older women are basically walking pharmacies.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 12:52 PM
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It still remains to be seen as to whether this generation will truly have a significantly higher percentage of virgins than before. So far they are. Sure, the trend may fix later and regulate, but the fact many people are losing that experience in their most fertile years suggests something is not going right.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 12:46 PM
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IDK, maybe you are right and this transcends any specific social circle. I mean, if they are educated and this is happening to them maybe the issue is worse than it seems. Is marriage over?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/22 09:09 PM
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Agreed attractive women get more matches, but it is no secret women of any rank have advantages in dating apps compared to average to lower-than-average men. Nothing wrong with that, men are more horny so naturally this happens, regardless of the quality of the profile. However, I do think that good pics help 5x more than any bio, for men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/22 09:05 PM
4

I just install a spyware in her phone. Peace of mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/22 08:39 PM
0

You are right, but it is enough to cause a population collapse that already started, and a couple generations of resentful and depressed people. Many migrants from cultures that do not respect women or equality or human rights will fill the slots we leave in the West. So yes, it will regulate that way, but the West will transform at best and die at worse in the process. Maybe Progressivism and Equality was always a meme, a lie. Only real progress is technological, but social "progress" is just m…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/22 08:37 PM
3

Good looking men will get matches even if they say they are child rapists, as some social experiments proved. It is sad, but that is reality of dating today.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/22 08:34 PM
1

I don't get it, what is the need of this? Even many redpilled don't agree with what Tate said. Very few men seriously follow him or buy his products. Only people feeding Tate are haters.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/22 08:31 PM
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It is sad, but fortunately they are not any man's responsibility either. They enjoyed dick, they had their cake and ate it too. They sacrificed their future, and probably killed a few unborn babies in the process, for just a few nights of sex. No empathy.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/22 07:59 PM
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It is both gender's fault. Women know most men inflating their egos just want to get sex and top men will never marry them as they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/22 07:52 PM
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I bet if they'd train for a few years they would look so much more muscular than me. Really feels a bit unfair. It is. No wonder Gnostic Christians believed this world was created by a devil.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/22 07:51 PM
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Most men know they will not be lucky in online dating. Putting effort on a bio is not significant as girls will just swipe left before even reading it anyway. Bios are a way to know other better, not to decide who to swipe right.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/22 07:49 PM
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Not a single marriage in my social circle has survived. Not. A. Single. One. And there have been quite a few. It seems you need urgently another social circle. That is not normal even in the countries where divorce is common. No, seriously, you seem a good person by noticing how fucked up this is. Find other friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/22 07:46 PM
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Don't worry. They will get sex with those guys somehow during their 20s, and you will have the honor to wait to rise other man's kids when she is too old to have your own kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/22 07:45 PM
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They don’t like the concept of hypergamy for women. Apparently they are supposed to not only continue to exist in poverty, but bring their children into poverty as well. You can always twist that in any way. Apparently they are not supposed to continue live in poverty, they must marry rich guys. Apparently they are not supposed to be happy with a loving family, they shall just survive and be like prostitutes and marry rich guys. Apparently they are supposed to be independent and see men are acce…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/22 07:43 PM
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So no one can blame men just using them as prostitutes if they sell themselves as such, right? Oh sorry, I forgot they are allergic to any responsibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/22 07:41 PM
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A lot of young women don't even hide the fact that they are simply looking for a passport out of poverty. Women that are already financially stable go for guys that can excite them. The disturbing thing is that both of those are disturbing. The first openly admit they are financially opportunistic, and the second attach a relationship and possible family to ephemeral emotions.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/22 07:40 PM
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God may forgive your sins, but consequences will not go away... that is their cross to bear.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/22 07:38 PM
1

It is so fun to watch... except that poly group which almost killed a baby. Disgusting people.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/22 09:33 PM
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The problem is that even when you hand the power to average women, they incidentally hand the power back to the smaller subset of highly desirable men. Ironic they destroyed patriarchy to create the hyper-patriarchy. That creates a toxic environment of mutual envy and resentment, worse than when just one group is struggling while the other is winning. Agreed, so much resentment and anger. I do not expect this to get any better for at least 25 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/22 09:23 PM
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This implies that women as a whole become slightly less happy in societies which treat them better. The further implication is that women will never be happy or, at minimum, nothing external in the physical world will ever make women happy. The problem exists within their own minds. This is a very blackpilling reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/22 09:00 PM
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I think lust in a right relationship context can be akin to love. He cares for her, she care for him. win-win.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/22 08:19 PM
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I'm sure many men would form a relationship if that helps release their lust.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/22 08:07 PM
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Yes, high value men are highly desirable by multiple women and they are stupid enough to wait for them to ask them for marriage or something.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/22 07:15 PM
12

Men are not in the position to fail, because they do not get any try.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/22 07:14 PM
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yet 99% of rapists will never spend a day in jail. You mean the female teachers that have sex with male students? They are praised.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/22 07:13 PM
3

...but clearly there are some disturbing trends and opinions and divisions in modern society which make that less likely, more difficult, and according to some literally undesirable. Yes, it is a horror story of dread and depression and loneliness slowly developing. Hellish.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/22 07:11 PM
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Men have preferences but at the end they cannot be picky. Lust is stronger.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/22 07:10 PM
5

That is a good question. I think the issue is transpersonal: Men often are less social than women, although men contribute more to it through labor and taxes. Women contribute it more with social relationships. Women are often not regarded as a threat by other men or women. Men are assumed to be dangerous until a level of trust is established. Men naturally defend and care for women, not the other way around. So at the end no one cares for men on net value. Men often work more hours and do not h…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/22 05:43 PM
0

Is it as if they were begging men to take over again LOL
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/22 05:39 PM
1

They are blind to their own privilege, like royalty.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/22 05:26 PM
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Agreed, women suffer a problem themselves caused and men also suffer it but they did not cause it. Sad,
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/22 05:24 PM
3

Monogamous from the perspective of the woman. I cannot use the world polyamorous in this context because I assume the women do not know each other, but I lack a better term.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/22 05:03 PM
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If your sharing a man you aren’t in a relationship are you? A man can have multiple monogamous relationships with multiple women, it is not new and more likely than a woman having multiple men, so obviously women will see themselves more in relationships than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/22 04:57 PM
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I have yet to meet a successful, happy man with a family who thinks the way that you do, OP. Survivorship bias.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/22 04:52 PM
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Women have a lower sex drive and they have a stronger social support by the feature of having a vagina. They are not at a huge disadvantage by being single, and they can still get sex and relationships, while men have not that privilege. You are assuming monogamy. Many women have no problem sharing a high value men. Most do not want that but if that is the only way they can get that kind of man, they will... either look away if the guy is with another woman or accept to be part of a harem while …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/22 04:34 PM
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My point is that if only 1% of options are good for women, they still have access to them, they just have to keep swiping left. Men do not have that luxury, not even close. They have to work harder for worse options, pay for all the shit, do all first steps, etc. for a woman that may not be the ideal after all.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/22 04:31 PM
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On average men are doing just fine. Fine in the context of a very harsh process that is harsher everyday for women that are probably not worth it. Sadly they lose like 1/3 of their life before getting one and realizing how worthless it all is in most cases.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/22 03:59 PM
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I'm sure women struggle with the vetting process, but many men cannot even have the luxury to vet and women are always assumed to struggle while in fact that women are heavily privileged on dating, sex and relationships. That is my point, I'm not saying women are happier here (maybe the vetting process is stressful, yet it is still options), just adding some context because many of them are unable to empathize.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/22 03:57 PM
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Of course improving yourself will give you more options, but for most of those men they cannot compete with a guy one foot taller, better looking who earn 20k more. Again, you are are shifting blame on the victim. If I say women who get beating is on their fault because they choose those men, then I get banned... and yet you say men struggling in dating is their fault and somehow here that is praised and regarded as gospel. It isn't, these issues are far more complex and they do affect women at …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/22 03:55 PM
3

They are options that are not up to your standards, and that is OK, but they are still options regardless.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/22 03:45 PM
4

100%
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/22 03:26 PM
3

None of this seems to even account for… love or emotional compatibly. Love is overrated.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/22 03:24 PM
5

Good for you, but if you look at this forum any day you see the complains.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/22 03:23 PM
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So is it that you guys wish you were women? No, but most guys wish that dating scene was not only on men's shoulders. I'm sure you have sons and uncles and male friends that are struggling too. It is not so hard to empathize.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/22 03:14 PM
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If you read carefully my post again, I'm not talking just about sex. Women have more advantages on dating, relationships and legal issues in this context.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/22 02:58 PM
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the ability to get a relationship with people you don’t want isn’t all it’s cracked up to be I mean, of course you will naturally have more bad options if you have more options in the first place. Also women's attraction is often more holistic. Maybe the men they initially reject may be better at bed, be more loyal and have more money after all, but if they do not give them a chance how will they ever know? I doubt a pic on an app is enough for a woman to know if that guy is the good one. Cannot…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/22 02:52 PM
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Maintaining a social life is actually fun for some people. Including men. Agreed, although if I found a way to be happy without anyone else in my life, with no doubt I would care shit about them. Sadly we are bullied by feelings of loneliness and lack of status to do this stuff and have relationships with people we do not even like that much anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/22 02:44 PM
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Hmm, I wonder if this is a primitive hardwiring in women? Maybe a part of them is happier being subject to men? If true, it would be an unfortunate biological backpill. I hope it is not the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/22 02:42 PM
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Dude, women will not have sex with a loser like you for defending them.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/22 02:39 PM
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It's funny that I'm even invested in this, given I don't want marriage or children, but I care more about other people's happiness and the future of society. It is natural to be invested in this. After all, those people children will pay taxes and care for you when you are old... well, more likely we will be treated as trash by migrants that have no love for us in a nursing house, but you get the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/22 02:38 PM
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Did they ask? Let’s take a random single dude here and his description of life according to him, he’s lonely, he’s isolated, he has no direction, he’s horny depressed and touch starved, now these are their words not mine, and you want more men like that? Concern or misery loves company?! As I said previously, you do not need to sell your soul to the government using an outdated contract such as marriage to get touch and love from women.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/22 02:37 PM
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I agree men have advantages on other aspects, but on dating it is clear women are basically royalty.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/22 02:35 PM
13

Maybe you are right.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/22 02:35 PM
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Imagine non-ironically thinking that women are socially privileged. I have given points of privilege and advantage they have on dating. I'm open to hear points of disadvantage women have... so far you only barely mentioned bad options which imply you admit they have more options.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/22 02:34 PM
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It is not about me. Most people's social circles decay, even women's social circles, and they need prohibitive effort. If you are autistic man, it is not only hard but virtually impossible. Even in this, autistic women have more options than autistic men. Increasing social circle is also an uphill battle and there is no guarantee women in your circle will be single either. You barely increase your chances from 1% to maybe 3%. Proof is that is how most average men openly admit they only meet wife…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/22 02:33 PM
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The issue is that most men do not even have options to get any dates without huge effort that often they cannot afford, and there is no guarantee. It is an uphill in every metric... men have to pay, ask, take risk, be tall, be rich, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/22 02:28 PM
10

I said eating trash, not food, can't you read? Eating plastic and soiled napkins is not better for your health than not eating at all. Terrible analogy then, because it is about dehumanizing common men instead of making an argument. Most cis straight men suck, there are as few good options for heterosexual women that there are for men, even if you pretend that the opposite is "common knowledge". Imagine having all that dating, sexual and social privilege as women and still find a way to be miser…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/22 02:28 PM
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I wonder if this will cause a kind of natural selection that will make societies like the West die away, as women will not settle down and be childless, and only patriarchy societies that treat women as property will survive after all. It would be so ironic.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/22 02:26 PM
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I'm sure dating and meeting new people can be healthy and desirable to get a good partner, if they have options, without the need of sex after the first date.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/22 02:24 PM
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Meanwhile, the advantages that women have in society (such as being believed more worthy of protection, soft power due to the perception of women as weak and even infantile, or because of claimed past oppression, or attractiveness) still exist and are even amplified by society's rules. 100% true
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/22 02:22 PM
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Actually, yes, eating throw away food from trash is better if you are starving for weeks. Women complain the quality of options, but they can swipe them left and continue on until they find a good option, or good enough. Men do not even have such power in the first place, they have to put huge effort and even that can be unfruitful. I think this is common knowledge, I do not get why is it being debated. Women love this power and most men hate they lack it, but both agree that is the thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/22 02:21 PM
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I'm using privilege in the sense women are lucky to be living in this time when they have all those points. My bad I was not specific, and I agree maybe privilege is not the best word. #6 Means that women's advantage in sex and dating is so high that even the wall is not that hard anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/22 02:12 PM
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Collectively, real world problems that they face comprise around 10% of all their issues. The other issues are basically solved or easied by women having all sexual freedom and yet they still complain.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/22 02:10 PM
8

I'm not giving women any dating power, they already have almost it all.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/22 02:09 PM
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Do they have good options tho? If you can get like 10 dates opening an app one day, as most women can, then yes, women do have more options to get good men. Relatively speaking women also have more bad options, but better than no options at all as most guys. No options is worse than bad options because no options also excludes good options.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/22 02:07 PM
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You are reducing the entire experience of women down to “they can get sex easier.” Not true. Women can also get relationships from men easier. Not with the guys they want? Maybe, but that is as dishonest as like comparing someone starving to not getting the food you want. Of course women want to be treated well, but that is not the point. If women are not considering even those men in their own league then obviously they do not know if they will be treated well or not, so your point has no place…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/22 02:03 PM
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Second, the biggest issue is that women don't want to BE the prize, they want to be WITH the prize. When you put women on a pedestal, they have no choice but see you as below them and therefore not good enough for them. That's why women chase after men who consider themselves the prize and don't put them on a pedestal. This makes no sense. Women will not consider you a prize man automatically for not putting them on a pedestal. That is only relevant in the context of relationships... men who put…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/22 01:59 PM
3

https://www.straitstimes.com/world/europe/norways-mass-murderer-anders-behring-breivik-gets-hundreds-of-love-letters-a-year
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/22 01:43 PM
1

You can say that about every post here... why do women date the same men that use them up? Why do men complain if they do not even go out? Etc. Still I feel the need to point out the scam that civil marriage is, specially to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/22 01:27 PM
1

I don’t think that women have it better than men currently They do in almost every metric.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/22 01:17 PM
1

Sadly, I need to educate many people so they do not fall in the trap and the scam women put those poor men in.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/22 01:16 PM
1

My lady friends and I will keep enjoying our abilities to control our own situations. Stay mad bro Good for you, enjoy before you become a plum (women are attractive for like 20 years only) and they dispose of you for younger and better in every metric.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/22 01:14 PM
3

wut
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/22 01:10 PM
4

Yes, they are adding again the personality shit while they literally date criminals.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/22 01:05 PM
1

Good, that is the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/22 01:04 PM
1

Stop with the idealization of the past. No matter how flawed the present is, it's still infinitely better than whatever was before. Presentism) can also be a bias. There are plenty of examples of civilizations falling back into more primitive forms, and it is not unreasonable to assume we shall be watching to not fall back even if we are doing better right now. Not to mention that plenty of hellish regimes such as the URSS used the line "we are better than ever" to manipulate people into accepti…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/22 12:59 PM
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It is also paradoxical. The only time I gave up on dating women is when they started to be attracted to me the most, to the point they invited themselves to my apartment. The problem is that when that happens I then start to care about them and they run away. So you do not really can give up because a temptation will rise and make you give up on giving up (???). You cannot make this shit up. No wonder that men who care shit about women often get plenty of sex. It is kind of hellish how this real…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/22 09:12 PM
0

I mean, I get your point, but it is a weird argumentation... like claiming world hunger do not exist because almost everyone has at least had one good meal in their lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/22 09:06 PM
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The MGTOW movement is a prime example. Agreed, it is mostly about resentment. Same as most feminist movements. I'm sure most men who give up on dating and love are not happy about it, but are not depressed angry at women either. Not that women really ever cared about that, though. Plenty of men openly hate women and get plenty of sex, so it is not about resentment or hate women choose men anyway, so it makes no difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/22 09:04 PM
0

They're just as trustworthy as they have ever been as are men. I mean, I cannot deny that, but people already say that. Meanwhile they want women to be even more useless than they already are in the house.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/22 09:03 PM
0

Well, I have a kink for creepy relationships. I welcome them. So hot.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/22 09:02 PM
1

At least you are morally consistent here, but many users here that claim to be so happy for free chose do not agree with age difference relationships. 98% of people (throughout their lifetimes) get laid, have sex, and dates. That is a little deceiving. It counts people who only had like sex once or twice.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/22 09:00 PM
2

Kind if ironic you try to manipulate with sex the men that already have all the options anwyay.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/22 08:51 PM
-1

30% of marriages in the US begin with a mere hookup that both people are consenting to. disgusting
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/22 08:51 PM
0

Love is Love.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/22 08:48 PM
2

What is that skill? I mean, it is not only offshored jobs, but also jobs that supposedly locals cannot do so we bring people and they bring their family of 5 and live in a one bedroom apartment and you will have to compete for that because you do not want to work and live as a slave in a rich country.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/22 08:36 PM
1

Sure, they can choose that. Just as men over 40 can choose to date girls at 18 and you cannot do anything about it. Or they can use them for sex and get rid of them as they get old. Nothing wrong with that, right? They are choosing too, just as women are choosing the same 5% men who will not commit to them because they do not need to.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/22 08:35 PM
2

Romanticizing love and commitment and marriage? Who does it hurt if someone does that? It hurts because it works as a trap. It is like romantization of war "fighting for your country", and hiding the shit soldiers have to live through. Marriages sells an idea rather than a real advantage, and yet legally the disadvantages of marriage and responsibilities are still there, which is insane.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/22 08:33 PM
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They have lower rates of divorce by far compared to the same time span with Gen X and Boomers. So? Same was lower rates of divorce during Victorian England. Also you are not taking in account that many of them are not marrying in the first place, their relationships may be shitty without being married. They do suffer more mental issues, though. I mean, it is not their fault either, they cannot even buy a house. I guess all generations have their own struggles. And again most people still want an…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/22 08:29 PM
1

I disagree higher education is not valuable. People with lower education are at disadvantage. But who knows, maybe the status and romantic value of marriage is more than I expect after all and I'm wrong. It just seems as a too subjective advantage.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/22 08:20 PM
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You have a good point, but it seems the advantages of marriage are only evident if both parts are very committed to each other. Otherwise splitting things may be ugly too after a divorce.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/22 08:15 PM
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It doesn't matter. Even if your job is very high quality and you are paid 40k, it is easier to pay five underpaid 3rd world people and they still will have a profit. The price is that countries that have safety nets and therefore need higher taxes will suffer while countries that treat people as cattle will prosper (but only the top class there).
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/22 08:13 PM
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We can agree on this. I do expect this to get better in like 25 years as itself regulates... but so much suffering meanwhile.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/22 08:11 PM
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Good for you and I'm not downplaying marriage that works, I'm just saying that for over a century we have made marriage less and less valuable, and it works just as monarchy in European countries today. It still has some useful things but mostly it is ceremonial.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/22 08:03 PM
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... you are mad that women have better options now. I mean, only better options on look and sex only. Clearly those men will dispose of those women as they get old as a plum. It is no different from offering people candies and sugarly food before healthy food and then they complain why they are fat. No longer are women gifted to men by their fathers whether they wanted the guy or not. Agreed, not they are passed around by 5% top of men until they lose any sex appeal they may have.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/22 08:02 PM
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You're just having trouble competing. Hard to compete with asian slaves without lowering the lifestyle and quality of Western lifestyle.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/22 07:54 PM
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They married men from their neighborhoods but often neither the men or women were happy with that situation once they got married and moved elsewhere. It is all relative to how happy they would be single. Today people can be happier being single, but in the past being single may have been socially worse than being in a boring marriage. You are only considering the quality of the marriage, and not the context of the times.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/22 07:54 PM
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Also people in the past had higher levels of lead, so I kind of agree, but also remember the body did not evolve for so many carbs and so low activity. People in the past were more adapted to that, while we are less adapted to things that give us comfort. It is a tradeoff.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/22 07:52 PM
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Pointless for you, not for people who value it. Agreed, just pointing out it is an aesthetic / status value only. You literally do not get any real advantage you cannot get outside of marriage using other methods. Sex, some form of commitment, company, children, etc. People here want marriage to be valuable but also not be needed. Sorry, you cannot have a cake and eat it too... if you make marriage to not be the only way to have children, commit, love, etc., why do you want people do expect marr…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/22 07:48 PM
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I mean, some fat is OK. I'm talking about obese girls being sold as "healthy BMI" or some shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/22 07:47 PM
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people are far more free and options are more plentiful Agreed, which devalues all options and therefore makes marriage pointless in the first place. Same reason people report to be so lonely today... you do not need people anymore as all is institutionalized, so people who want relationships are seen as too needy, and yet everyone longs for them. It is a kind of hellish situation that you want something that is not needed anymore and yet you whole heartly still want, but that is the path we hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/22 07:45 PM
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Personally I only see these "predatory" accusations online. In real life no one says shit if a 20 years old marry an older man. Maybe people do say comments of disdain, but so far it is not shamed as people claim. People who seem to shame them are often younger men unable to get women that believe old men take their women, and older women that want those "creepy" men for themselves but for younger women.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/22 07:42 PM
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It seems people only marry because social pressure and status, not because love. That is not new... in the past marriage was specially an arragement for the children. The difference is that even as an arragement it is still not that important and it creates a lot of attachments that, when love falls away, can make your life hell during separation. Yet we keep romantizing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/22 07:40 PM
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I would not be surprised some guys may enjoy fat girls, but most of them will prefer thin, and it makes sense they do not want to date a soon-to-be diabetic girl.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/22 07:29 PM
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I get your point, but biologically speaking, pregnancy between 15-20 is just as risky as over 35. It is disturbing how many women let pregnancy for their late 30s and even 40s if they do want children and be healthy rising them. I think most concerns is for women who are very immature for a baby at that early age, like under 20, not as much biological, but the concern of she not being mature enough is enough for discouraging her of having babies that early anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/22 07:28 PM
1

Probably yes :3
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/22 07:04 PM
1

Nothing is guaranteed, marriage is a legal commitment to combine finances and operate financially as a unit. Ironic so many people go for separated bank accounts when marriage, and legal contracts to protect properties. Marriage is itself a hallow institution, a legal custom with no real advantages and all disadvantages.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/22 07:04 PM
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I mean, I have to clarify, marriage is pointless to get any of the supposed advantages of marriage. All of them you can get without the downsides of marriage. Company, children, love, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/22 07:02 PM
0

So pointless? Civil unions seem more useful. Only useful thing I see useful in marriage is to avoid taxes, or just have a person for when you get sick and legally the hospital can assume you are together. But even the later can be fixed with some papers assigning legal guardians or something. Everyday marriage is more and more pointless. Even if you are religious, marriage is only valuable to God and your religious community.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/22 07:01 PM
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It doesn't matter, if she can abort up to 4 weeks he shall be able to reject fatherhood in that period. If she can abort up to 9 months, so should the man be able to reject fatherhood. Either equality is a thing or it isn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/22 06:57 PM
1

Well no, I don't live in US. Pretty much every other first world country has gone up in health and diet, maybe only slightly more sedentry lifestyles with people working in offices. Mexico is fatter than America now. In fact, western fast food is reaching these poorer countries and creating a mess. If you're an incel in 2022, you wouldn't be a Chad in 1950 There is a huge spectrum between those terms. Incel is a relatively new term. In the past even virgins were expected to find love late in lif…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/22 06:54 PM
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For example, no one cares about getting married and having children here anymore because if we need to grow out population, we can just bring people in through immigration. I also find weird that people who hate children also are so concerned about bringing migration. Do they really think migrants will care about them when they are abandoned in huge elderly houses built by the government? Or do they think that migration will be constant when the West starts to fall and all countries start suffer…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/22 06:52 PM
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The point is that people unsuccessful in dating now would probably be unsuccessful in courting back then. I disagree because internet made women inflate their options and expectancies, while in the past you may just marry people from your neighbor. So technology, for good or worse, gave women more options and that causes a decision paralysis. Eventually women may marry those men but all that resentment, baggage and phantom dicks will still be there.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/22 06:48 PM
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The point of marriage is to have (ideally) life-long partnership and companionship with a person you love. If you view sex as the main reason to marry, then, of course, it doesn’t make any sense. But you can have such company without marriage, even. Also marriage does not guarantee that person will stay. Marriage is, therefore, pointless.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/22 06:46 PM
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I'm sure women today are wise enough and have a lot of social and government support if they do get into an abusive relationship. However, an abusive relationship can happen at any stage of life, it is a risk that anyone who would want a relationship shall take. Another thing is how relative financial independence is. A woman may study and have a good job earning well, and yet end up in huge student debt that will affect her even if she marries at her 40s. I do think that old men marrying younge…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/22 06:42 PM
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Man you gotta get off the blackpill. Funny after your whole comment is far more blackpilled than anything I have said in my post. Yeah because we lived in a fucking utopia before 1950. No one was happier, tonnes of people in loveless abusive marriages. I wonder about the statistics, though. For example, you can claim that we are healthier now because we have better treatments for cancer, and yet we eat worse than ever before and we are fatter than ever. So we live more but also our health is not…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/22 06:37 PM
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Men liking very young women is due to cultural norms. Women start ovulating young, which suggest that culture just adapted to that biology. Its wrong because men don't protect them anymore. They'll use them and throw them out when the girl start developing into a person they don't approve of. It's the problem of ONLY liking those girls. I there any evidence of this? Because so far is mainly women asking for divorce, not men. Also men cannot just throw away a woman and get another unless they are…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/22 06:35 PM
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If women get married young, the chances of them ending up as homeless victims increases significantly. Maybe in the 1900's, but women can study while being married, they can work and in fact should work because one income is often not enough anymore. Marriage in fact can be a safe haven while they develop their own career. However, if we lived in a society where women were not allowed to work or have an income, your request may be reasonable. I think we had dowry for a similar reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/22 06:26 PM
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Women aren’t on earth just to be eye candy for men. Women are human beings and have their own self interest as well. Men can look at whatever the fuck they want, just as women can eye-fuck men. They can eye fuck you if they want, that is not illegal nor should be because it cannot be regulated. That does not mean they consider you less human, in fact there are few things more human than sexual desire and romance. May be a world where if a girl does get married early, she gets $100,000 per year g…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/22 06:17 PM
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The people who argue that women hold the burden of responsibility for creating life are part of the problem. It’s an activity done by two people — so two people are responsible. Yes abortion is only her decision... and financial abortion from the man is not legal.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/22 05:55 PM
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Women are not so trustworthy anymore, and they have no consequences for cheating, so why should men trust them more? They probably maybe rising a kid that is not theirs, which is akin to rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/22 05:54 PM
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I personally think it's the over sexualization of young girls without the education behind it to protect them If people married young women since ever, why is it a mystery people find younger women more attractive? It is not like shame or law can change much of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/22 05:53 PM
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Stop gaslighting please. If girls want tall guys, just tell it. Stop lying about "personality" shit, that's all. We all will save time and effort if no lies there.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/22 05:50 PM
12

Yes, ironic changing your sex is OK but using it to be buff is bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/22 05:43 PM
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Then theres the guys who have completely given up. I don't get why is that seen as a sad thing. Love is not for everyone, it never was. It is sad but only because we put a sick form of "love" on a pedestal.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/22 05:43 PM
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No one prefers fat girls, no matter how romantic it is put by ads and megacorporations and college woke students.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/22 05:41 PM
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Funny how people would find attractive someone with thousands in debt.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/22 05:40 PM
1

Technology kind of destroyed any previous "fundamental" think we had but it gave us others.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/22 01:05 PM
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It does not matter. She has options, that is better chance for LTR than no options.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 03:09 PM
3

Sure, just as women can get company, free stuff, sex from men without any commitment and yet they [supposedly] prefer commitment. Men can also get orgasms without porn, but what difference does it make? Morn is a facilitator.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/22 12:58 PM
2

Not my claim, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/22 12:56 PM
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I think lots of guys do want a quick lay, but I wonder how many of them only want that cause they’ve been constantly told and conditioned to want it lest they get viewed as emotional and feminine amongst other men Oh please, stop. Most guys do not have any options unless trying countless times. They are not that picky nor would dispose of women like that unless they were the top of the top men.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/22 08:49 PM
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Most guys are not gatekeepers of anything and they are treated at best as invisible by women and at worse as trash. It is not a secret.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/22 07:08 PM
2

Nah, they are gatekeeper of both... the thing is that they cannot hold on the guys they actually want to fuck, but still they can get a relationship or sex when they want. Cannot be said about most guys, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/22 06:37 PM
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I'm sure that is not the minimum women are looking for in a man, though. That is only considered after the threshold of looks and height. Then, after that, depending on how hot the guy is they may accept many bad habits from them such as cheating, laziness, etc. All those requirements drop when she actually wants to fuck the guy. I mean, if that is what it is that is OK, but I'm so tired of women claiming otherwise. They can just admit it and everyone can move on. No need for gaslighting and lyi…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/22 03:40 PM
3

wut
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/22 03:21 PM
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Which makes no sense, because if everyone equally makes lots of money there is no difference so it is not a trait that makes anyone special, so would mean nothing in dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/22 03:21 PM
1

Do you know who does not care about constant rejection? Sociopaths and psychopaths. Yes, those are the kind of men that will end up reproducing or getting any sex from women.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/22 03:12 PM
2

Yes, sadly.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/22 01:49 PM
2

If I was you, I'd try any antidepressant in existence... lithium, prozac, etc. Some will work, something will help you. Do it for every one of us that cannot even start because looks are fixed.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/22 01:48 PM
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Imagine living in tutorial mode and still finding ways to lose. You are like women who "can't find a date" in this sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/22 01:34 PM
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You don’t have a high opinion of men No, I don't have a high opinion of women who choose always the same fuckers and then express all resentment in men that they do not even date. Women will never attack or criticize men they fuck, only men they do not fuck, but they use men that they do not fuck as a scapegoat.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/22 01:32 PM
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Yes, they basically want to make uglier men off themselves. I don't know if they are conscious of it, but it is evil regardless. Good thing is that men, unlike women, do not make their purpose in terms of the other gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/22 01:31 PM
1

People really still believe in romantic love? Dude, all is transactional. Love is the emotional way we cope with that fact without breaking down.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/22 01:27 PM
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Well, women keep fucking men that do not care shit about family or commitment, so obviously they having a man that actually wants those things is weird... because women usually don't give those guys a chance.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/22 01:22 PM
2

Women are largely ignoring blue collar/trade men due to social status of them. Ironically those are the men making a killing in current labor market.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/22 01:17 PM
3

Some men really need to go to therapy tHErapY
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/22 01:14 PM
4

The damage these ladies have been exposed themselves to will never be fixed. I'm sad for their future children.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/22 01:14 PM
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They are delusional. "I want equality but also I want men better than me"
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/22 01:12 PM
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Women just manipulated beta men into marrying them and fucked alpha men behind, genetics prove it. They now do not even need beta males directly anymore, just the state taxing those men to death so they can pay for those women's bastards.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/22 01:11 PM
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Women will always get attractive men if they open legs. The issue is that they also want a father for their children and a husband... well, not anymore, they rather kill the unborn babies and cope with Xanax and expensive therapy. Science basically help them cope.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/22 01:09 PM
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Why the fuck would men do more than the base minimum if they do not have the genetics to even be considered? In fact, I'm glad this is happening. For long, artificially men and women were put together by social institutions and now that is collapsing. People will be very angry and depressed for a few generations but I'm convinced that patriarchal institutions will come, not because they will be imposed, but because they are the only ones that will survive to reign.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/22 01:07 PM
2

I agree men do not like women as much at it seems, but in the same token women do not hate men as much as it seems. Both are strategies of mating and social interaction.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/22 01:05 PM
2

The things you said they asked for are basic freedoms like the right to vote, the right to own their own money, etc. Why is it you think the current system, where women have rights and freedoms, is a state of collapse from the eras where men had substantially more control over them? No, I mean in dating. I'm not even talking about women's rights, I don't know why you feel I did. Most women's rights (early 1900) did not develop at the same time of the collapse of gender dynamics of the 90s and 20…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/22 06:15 PM
0

Sure, after they have spent their best years, after 5 abortions and 2 bastards. No thank you.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/22 05:08 PM
1

More humblebragging.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/22 03:50 PM
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Sorry, I don't get what you want to say or even if you agree or disagree.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/22 03:45 PM
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Yes, most of them do not have any other options.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/22 03:26 PM
2

Consent issues within a relationship and the type of sex acts that the man typically wants to engage in, according to women, are getting worse. This is the weirdest. Women have all the power in the dating market. They can get sex in literally half an hour if they want. They can make an orbiter a boyfriend if they make themselves available. They can leave the husband, take the children and money with little to no social and legal consequences. Men wanting "sexual oddness" is literally not a probl…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/22 03:26 PM
5

Most men are not physically arousing to women. If 5 out of 10 is where arousal starts, most men are 3-4’s. But you have to consider the following too: Women have generally a lower sex drive overall. Women get aroused by things other than physical characteristics, and yet only those are visible in dating apps. Women who are themselves 3-4's are expecting men 6 or higher, being themselves ugly and fat. The proportion is relative so even if all men improve women will still like the new top men, so …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/22 03:22 PM
2

But society keeps trying to tell us we have to date fat chicks regardless of how much work we've put into ourselves. No. This. I'd rather watch porn all life than marry a fat girl that barely cares for her own body.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/22 03:13 PM
2

It is no secret at least half marriages will fail anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/22 03:11 PM
2

Young men in their '20s and early '30s are having increased rates of erectile dysfunction which should not physically happen to young and healthy men. It is a catch-22 because erectile dysfunction is not an issue for men that cannot get women anyway. And it's no better for women either. You would think that porn would cause men to settle down and leave women alone but in reality it has hyperstimulated men and made them much more sexually aggressive, which has been to the detriment of a lot of wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/22 03:09 PM
2

I'm sure almost all marriages start with love, hate comes later.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/22 03:06 PM
4

Most men fall below the middle line of how attractive men are able to be But that limit is asymptotic. No matter how attractive you are, you can always get a little better, so the line of "men can look better" is totally arbitrary.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/22 03:05 PM
0

Humans have to reproduce somehow dude, and if you do then you'll have to help out. Some married men are sexually frustrated because they leave everything to Mom which makes her tired and resentful. No one wants to fuck a lazy man child. Why should men work and treat well a wife that hates them and get fatter by the day? Better get lazy until she ask for divorce.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/22 03:03 PM
1

Yeah, but with the same woman that get fatter everyday. Ew. No wonder they still watch porn.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/22 03:00 PM
1

I hate to say you are probably right. The kind of men women are fucking or want to fuck are not family men. That is why I do not have any more empathy for women that "cannot find a husband / father for their children" given that they did not think about it without riding 500 dicks of men that treat them as trash. Glad men who cannot get women at least have porn to release themselves and not be manipulated by being sexually thirsty.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/22 02:59 PM
8

What the hell means average now? A middle point you move as convenient?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/22 02:57 PM
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Good you have chosen well. You're forgetting that it is men, not women, who are bitter about not getting laid. Agreed, which is why porn is so great in the first place for those men. Why do you want those men to be even more miserable? You are being too cruel.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/22 02:56 PM
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This is the era of nihilism and hedonism. It will not go away, sorry. This is the future women, who are the sexual selectors, have chosen so I'm glad they are living up to those consequences just as men who choose those lifestyles.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/22 02:49 PM
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The more porn they consume, the less wanted men in general become. A lot of normal guys could have been normal boyfriends who have sex in a relationship [...] Well, maybe that is a side effect, but that is the lifestyle they have chosen. Maybe you are right and those guys would otherwise be OK without porn, but it is probably too late for changing that now. We cannot help people who do not help themselves. Women are also way too picky and ask for too much from men, so men will just find other wa…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/22 02:48 PM
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If you feel better without porn in your life and rather you prefer to ponder to attract you anyway, good for you. Cannot say the same for most average men who is despised by even underaverage women.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/22 02:36 PM
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I think Internet just exposed the human reality, specially the male reality. In the past men were treated as cannon fodder, but it was romantized on the idea of fighting for your country or some shit. Of course, the older men that caused those wars were in positions that were not risky and they were left to marry the younger women. The depravity of this aspect of human life is just being exposed as it has always been. Blackpillers did not invent this reality, they just recognize it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/22 02:34 PM
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I do not believe in any way that porn is a substitute for real life human interaction. Sorry, I did not want to imply that in the sense it is enough to replace such human interaction, but rather it helps to cope if you do not have such interactions. I should have been clear, sorry. Visiting prostitutes would likely be more healthy for them— at least there is a real human interacting with them, instead of training them to have ever more bizarre and alien sexual behaviors. Agreed, but I do not exp…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/22 01:36 PM
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This has nothing to do with RP, which is usually against "easy solutions" such as porn and videogames. From the porn addiction, to the outbursts of anger, to the thousand and one requirements a woman has to meet, to the poor social skills... these are, in many ways, his defense mechanisms. However, most of those issues seem to be more related to a form of cope for a problem, not the problem itself. No man wants porn if he can get a woman or sex. Married men who watch porn often just feel they ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/22 01:31 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/22 01:21 PM
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Women are absolutely not desperate for relationships. There's a reason the happiest women are single. This. They can get sex, free male labor, etc. by just asking orbiters. Even being single they get all benefits of a relationship, so why would they be desperate or in need for it? But I do agree that porn is damaging to men. Although, the alternative of getting your self-esteem sledgehammered into dust by repeated rejection isn't much better. Porn is not ideal, it is just the next best thing som…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/22 01:20 PM
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How does porn compare to the actual physical touch of a woman?? I don't understand. It doesn't. The purpose of porn is not to give affection, nor men watch it looking for that. Men just want to release some sexual urges. It is not that hard to understand, but I do get most women may not separate sex from emotion, and that is OK too, but it is hard for them to empathize with men in this aspect.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/22 01:17 PM
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Google it https://medium.com/hello-love/the-number-of-sexless-men-has-tripled-in-10-years-why-e97e7165d2a1
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/22 01:16 PM
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You do enough to respond cynically and feel smart about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/22 01:15 PM
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I’m not convinced that women “had” to be obedient servants [...] But protection or money does not actually require sexual and other subservience. For example, you are provided with police protection and survival money for your work, and yet you do not have to fellate the police or be your boss’s personal slave for those benefits. Maybe they didn't have to be obedient, but women who subjected to men had ironically a higher social position and respect in society. I'm glad women are free from that,…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/22 01:15 PM
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Personally I don't think I get any more control by avoiding porn, except maybe a little more free time, but I lose control on other aspects because high libido. I also more susceptible to be manipulated by women because of that desire, so in a sense I lose social control without porn.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/22 01:11 PM
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This. Women have no idea how good porn has been for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/22 01:10 PM
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What. You clearly have no idea what men think or live for. First, men are not proud of watching porn. Most of them are not openly admitting it, so your reason is pointless. Second, men know that free stuff that requires no effort do not provide any way to prove any kind of manhood. We just want an easy orgasm. Women are not an option, so we find it as the best next way.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/22 01:09 PM
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Women absolutely and categorically do not care if 90% of men choose to castrate themselves—they in fact welcome it with open arms since it means less shitty genes. Agreed, they already do. However, I do see some women love desperate men giving them free stuff and favors.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/22 01:07 PM
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Well, some people are happy with videogames, other with marriage and family.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/22 01:06 PM
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Wow so proud
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/22 01:05 PM
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Good for you, but some men are autistic and did not have the chance to develop social skills early. You have to understand starting now would be hellish hard for those men, and they cannot compete with men like you. Better let those men be hedonistic, have porn and be OK in their own way instead of shaming them more to be neurotypical or fix issues that cannot be fixed without huge sacrifice anyway. Have some empathy for them. It literally cost you nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/22 01:04 PM
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No more pathetic than giving up a pleasure for a hope that is not even available for most men anyway. People cope their own way, and no, women will not fuck you for insulting other men. You are just trying to ponder to people that hate you.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/22 01:01 PM
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Zero scientific evidence provided. Masturbation does not cause any issue sex can cause too.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/22 01:00 PM
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Women consider 80% of men ugly, and a third of men did not have sex last year, so incel or not, it does not matter: women get sex, men don't, so they shall enjoy porn and you cannot do anything about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 09:34 PM
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If people do not need to work and they do not perceive a benefit for working more than what they get from welfare, why would they work? Even more for men who the government never cared about, they do not owe society anything, if anything they shall sleep and let it burn.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 09:32 PM
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So… the reason you think porn is better than a relationship is because you only wanted an obedient servant to do your bidding? No, I'm just saying that in the past the arrangement had to exist, but not anymore thanks to technology such as birth control, content as porn, etc. In the past commitment was paramount because pregnancy was almost always expected soon or later, and therefore society forced men to care for children and women to subject to men. Today, women have birth control, abortion, a…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 08:57 PM
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That is not my intention. I think men can distinguish women from porn, just as women distinguish "fuck material" from "marriage material". Also Male sexuality is by itself Objectifying (since ever they have drawn boobs) while female sexuality is Subjectifying (since ever they have preferred long term relationships).
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 08:51 PM
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Not worth the risk. Even strong men avoid conflict, as male fights can end without an eye.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 07:33 PM
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Thanks, does this mean that women who can separate love from sex should also get a hall pass as long as they still love their husbands? I don't think so, I think men shall respect their vows, but I do think that women cheat when the couple is already screwed, while men cheat when opportunity rises.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 07:33 PM
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Good to know bro. At least porn gives you something women can't, sadly some men have only porn as an option.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 07:31 PM
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Glad you are happy. Women are too expensive and require too much to be happy. Them, just like us, can be happy in our own ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 07:02 PM
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Well, if it is fantasy then reality is no competition.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 07:01 PM
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The fact you use the word unaffordable to describe women kind of says a lot, don't you think? Your language alone suggests commerce, product, at worst, slavery and objects to be bought and sold. What? "Unaffordable lifestyle" is often a common phrase. Women ask men for too much, and they do not need as much anymore. If you actually thought that, then more reason for you to support porn as women are not treated as such anymore now that men and women can go separate ways. Porn is cheap and cheaper…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 06:58 PM
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who wouldn't want to spend their days mindlessly scrolling through endless streams of pornography instead of actually building meaningful relationships and experiencing real human connection? That is not possible for all men, sometimes you are just autistic or did not have a chance to develop social skills, and later in life it is not worth the effort. At the end, it makes no difference you base your life on social performance, vaginas or porn. We all are going to die anyway. No one had to choos…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 06:43 PM
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Men prefer real women. If they are consuming porn is because they cannot get real women, or the women in their lives are not enough. If that is fixed, then porn issue is fixed. Porn is a symptom more than a problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 06:41 PM
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Not jerkin off doesn’t make you constantly sexually frustrated. You only think that because your addicted. Maybe in an environment that is not full of sexual images, that could work, such a monastery, but media is full of beautiful women and sexual innuendos. It cannot be avoided, and avoiding the temptation all time hurtful.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 06:20 PM
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Sadly, they even want to take porn away from us or shame us into being miserable, loveless and pornless.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 05:59 PM
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Glad old porn never gets old.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 05:58 PM
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I'm welcome to hear the downsides. So far it seems the downsides are men unable to talk to women or have Erectile Disfunction, but none of that is a problem for men that cannot get women anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 05:58 PM
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Women do not talk much to women anymore as people have moved online, social spaces are dying, and after college most men have a limited social circle. Women have not this problem, they can use an app and they do not have to initiate. Women want more exclusive relationships, but only if they can, and with the few men they do like. If they can't, they just keep having sex with the same top men other women are having sex with too. Women have no problem staying single for decades, even forever, and …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 05:57 PM
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I think a big part of the reason men aren't able to secure healthy relationships, offspring, and such is because of porn consumption. I think they're actively damaging their ability to interact with, bond with, enjoy, and all the rest of the stuff that goes into a healthy relationship with women because of Porn. I'd say women just became unaffordable for most men after they got voting and individualist rights. In the past, women would have to marry to get some rights or benefits in society, but …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 05:52 PM
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Yes, they define their whole value on having power over dick, which means anything that competes with their vagina (be other women or sex toys or porn) must be destroyed in their worldview.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 05:20 PM
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Sadly, women choose a few men and most men do not have any other options. Porn causing fetishes or ED is not an issue if you are not having sex anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 05:19 PM
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I meant daily salary... if you earn like 200 dollars a day, a prostitute can easily cost that. Not worth it and not sustainable long run.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 05:17 PM
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That way we get the undesirable males out of the picture completely, and the top 10% of attractive men can build massive harems and enjoy sexual abundance, and the women can be happy that they get to share a HVM. Even men in relationships watch porn, though. Also women may be happy as long as they can be part of the HVM harem, which is not more than 2 decades.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 05:16 PM
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I guess it does for people who have a fetishes for it, but for most guys porn is not as good as real sex. Anyway, many porn addict guys will never even have a chance to compare anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 05:15 PM
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So yeah, carry on with your porn or whatever! Thanks - t. 90% of men
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 05:14 PM
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I'll usually keep my head down cause I don't want to be seen as a creep by them, especially at the gym Same, but I fear more any idiot boyfriend around trying to prove her something by trying to fight me for looking at his fat average girlfriend.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 05:13 PM
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Not to mention that nearly all men watch porn and it's very rare for a man to mean nothing to any women or even be constantly rejected I don't know... it seems at least half men are basically ignored by women until they put lots of effort, and women are happy single or even sharing a guy. I'm glad those left-over guys get some relief elsewhere, and women shall be happy too... those are men in their families too.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 05:11 PM
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If porn is a response to lonely and sad men and you say its been a great service to them, why are there still lonely and sad men. I mean, I'm not saying porn will fix their problems, just help them cope.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 05:08 PM
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I'm happy you are happy with porn, and yes, at least you have options and that is a good thing. Porn is even more important for guys who cannot even get a date, like me.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 05:08 PM
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In a way its better for the rest of us, less competition in work, and dating world. Agreed! I only see long run that government may get concerned if they get less tax money, but anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 03:54 PM
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I believe porn was created to control men and make them weaker. If it is over anyway, enjoy the decline the best you can. I would argue porn is making men more sad, more lonely, and more sexually frustrated. Porn is a response to that, not the cause.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 03:52 PM
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Men never needed to go to war to get married. I mean, the social contract. Men were sent to fight and die, and those who survived had the women (a surplus of women). Men who did not contribute to society (such as fighting for their country) were ostracized. They would starve if they did not accept the system. Today, men are free from that contract. They do not have to work or contribute anything to even survive, > but porn just makes sex and masturbation worse It does not matter if you are not g…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 03:51 PM
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https://www.lbbonline.com/news/this-slave-made-makeup-reveals-the-human-price-of-beauty
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 03:46 PM
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I guess we are increasingly moving into the digital world. Lockdowns made it even worse. Maybe it is better to accept it and let people who want to move there stay there, in the digital illusions. Shaming them will make them depressed and also you frustrated for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 03:45 PM
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NONE of that is statistically true for women being married to men. There are almost zero benefits to being with a man and men expect us to what? Sure, because the state tax men to pay for you and your bastards.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 03:44 PM
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Sorry, but most men cannot even start to compete with men half foot taller, with far more money and options and social skills than them. Women consider 80% of men ugly anyway. Sure, many men will fight such battle to get scraps those men leave, but is that really worth it? Losing so much time, resources, etc. to get what some men get by just existing? I hope you understand why some men simply do not find it fair and fairly enough choose porn instead. Those men are not less confident because of p…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 03:43 PM
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That's the thing... I'm not the one claiming being virtuous. I think we shall drink coffee, each chocolate, watch porn, etc. and no one has any moral agency to claim any of those agencies is any less or more moral than the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 03:38 PM
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I just don’t think the majority of men would ONLY be satisfied with it and not an actual relationship. The majority of men do not even have that option without great effort that is probably not worth it anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 03:37 PM
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IDK, there is not much to strive for in most men anyway. I consider myself a very productive man and I use porn. In fact, I doubt over 90% of men (married or not) who watch porn are significantly less productive. If anything, sexual frustration may make men more distracted and less productive.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 03:35 PM
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Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 03:30 PM
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And porn should never replace human interaction Agreed, but sadly many men have autistic traits and there is nothing they can do to change that, and as we become more digital and isolated, porn can be a good therapy for those men. By asking those men to not watch porn you are basically telling them to be even more miserable. It gets worse: friends get married, you move away and lose relationships, people do not like you, there are no places to meet new high quality people, etc. We all lose frien…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 03:29 PM
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On dopamine levels and dull senses, I do not have any evidence, but even if that was real, I think men can manage their amount of porn enough to avoid such issues. I doubt most porn users are even that addicted to porn anyway. On their view of the other gender/sex, it does not matter if they cannot get sex anyway. Also women benefit those men are creeps so they can get away from them. It is a win for women. However, most married men watch porn anyway, so maybe it is not a big issue anyway. It is…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 03:24 PM
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You mentioned watching porn gives men the chance and time to do other things like build and create and I argue that majority of the time , porn prevents this because you can literally spend hours online and its never ending. 2 hours watching porn? Really? I can get satisfied in like 30 minutes or less. I wonder if porn really takes from men more time than just attending a girlfriend or a wife, though. Porn may cause many issues, such as erectile disfunction (supposing it matters if you are not h…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 03:13 PM
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I guess the issue just compounds. Even fewer high value men worth dating, and even more women unable to get a high value guy to commit.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 03:10 PM
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[They can focus on what men always do: invent, create, destroy, fix...] ...Drop out of the labor force at never before seen rates. That's what's happening. I mean, for themselves. Good labor force is lower from men. Society is asking those men too much, to pay taxes for single moms and welfare abusers, for literally nothing in return for being the actual surplus producers as a demographic block. It is a reasonable strike and indeed more civilized.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 03:07 PM
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This is why men proclaim they are more sexually frustrated than ever? Because they do not have any point of reference. They only live this life, not 200 years ago. Don't worry, there are not any more bands of men trying to rape you or trying to buy you from your parents bringing cows, or trafficking women (at least not as much as in the past, relatively speaking). Women are safer, men are less sexually frustrated overall. I wonder if this is actually causing the deceleration in productivity... w…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 03:03 PM
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Any dude who isn't fat or conventionally ugly can fairly easily find himself a girlfriend. Just get on an airplane and visit the North American continents and the other continents where women have freedom and their own individual rights. You will see all sorts of dudes with girlfriends, or married, or with kids. Agree. Porn is still easier and cheaper, tho. Most men can't get a wife and children without being at great risk?of what? Divorce laws, family court favoring always women, even cohabitat…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 02:59 PM
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My three main issues with porn are; setting expectations of violent sex without negotiation e.g. choking, the access children have to it and the emotional and physical health and safety of the performers. I understand your concerns. I think violent activities against women can be reduced by the fact women control the sex market and they can leave and find another guy. The access to children, I agree shall be limited. On the health of performers, as long as porn is produced by studios in a Wester…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 02:56 PM
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What harm are you talking about?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 02:53 PM
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Men working remotely does not mean they are in the house 100% of the time. Heck, there are infinite of places they can work from. Still I don't think this should affect relationships. I think he earning less than her is, however, more harmful for the relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 02:43 PM
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Like many men, married or not, I've used the same amount of porn for years, though. I don't get why would I want "more porn" more than I would need "more women" if I got sex anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 02:41 PM
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I'd say it is like replacing smoking with vaping. It does not fix the addiction or the issue, but usually vaping is healthier than smoking, so I'd say it is healthier men can get some sexual relief rather than stay sexually frustrated and angry at women and themselves and society.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 02:40 PM
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It is kind of scary how many women oppose porn, considering how beneficial it is for women for the fact it is beneficial for such men.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 02:38 PM
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Why do you think you're useless? I don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 02:33 PM
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Yes, you are so lucky you did not produce an individual from the "useless" gender, right? Maybe women should welcome sex selective abortions more.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 02:28 PM
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I genuinely enjoy that potential rapists and traffickers are suffering. I’m glad you are alone. I’m glad and joyfully happy that you feel the gut-wrenching pain of not having a woman who likes you for you. Because you’re the same guy posting about raping women and children. Disgusting. Who would love that? Rape is lower than ever in history. Women are not worth the mess, porn is far better than you.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 02:08 PM
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she is damaged…stay away from them for your own health Amen. In fact, loneliness is preferred to trauma caused by dating such mess.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 02:07 PM
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I get your frustration, but take in mind that as humans we are put here on earth with all kind of limitations and disadvantages, and we have to find ways to overcome them. It is hard, but worth it to find a way to cope than just live angry and bitter because expecting something that was never in the table in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 02:04 PM
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If an “older” man wants to have kids soon, before chances of complications related to older sperm increase Not a big deal, a womb on its 30s is far more risky that sperm in a 50 years old man.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 02:02 PM
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So dating Older men is beneficial for women, which means it is OK.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 02:01 PM
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Often men cheating is inconsequential, and the guy still loves her, but women cheating imply there is no love from her anymore and also there can be parental fraud. Also it is harder for the guy to cheat as it is harder for men to get women, while women just have to open legs (they do not need any talent, the talent is in not cheating).
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 01:59 PM
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I think many women do not mind that he has some fun, but often it is so hard for the guy to get sex that open relationships almost always benefit women if everything else is equal.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 01:56 PM
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I commented elsewhere some examples: While being young she had a broke boyfriend, now the boyfriend is required to earn way more than her. While being young she did not care about his status, now she will only date men her age or older if they have some status such as a business or an authoritative position. While being young she did not think about babies, now she knows exactly how many babies she wants and may end the relationship if he does not want the same number.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 08:56 PM
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At this point prostitution seems better than a below average guys relationship because neither are real. I see the return to prostitution as inevitable.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 08:13 PM
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The third one is something I actually think young women should care about more. For example, when I was dating I let every guy know/put in my bio that I was 100% childfree...never wanted kids of my own or to date men with kids. This was very important because I didn't want to waste the time of any family oriented man. Likewise I think young women who know they want children someday should be dating with this in mind, and be upfront about it. Even if she's 23 now and says she wants to have 2 kids…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 07:48 PM
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Younger women are far less likely to have anything after the dating stage as most aren't looking to settle down. Agreed, that is why there shall be no issue men in their 40s dating women in their 20s, as there will not be commitment anyway and both parts get what they want while together.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 07:45 PM
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Older women's requirements seem to trascend physical. Sure, they may prefer a taller man, but many have no problem if he is a little overweight or bald. On relationships and finances, older women ask way more than younger women. While being young she had a broke boyfriend, now the boyfriend is required to earn way more than her. While being young she did not care about his status, now she will only date men her age or older if they have some status such as a business or an authoritative position…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 07:31 PM
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Dating and sex is not the same as a long term relationship. I'd say that although older women are more open to sex and dating, their requirements for relationships are way harder yo fulfill.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 07:28 PM
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I agree younger women have no problem dating men their age, but they are more open to date older men, just as older men are more open to date younger. That is OK. My post is just trying to say that often the reason men look younger is because they have less requirements for relationships, although of course getting *younger women is harder for older men, the relationship requirements themselves after the dating stage are often less than those of older women. *fixed
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 07:25 PM
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Is not that good to gain experience? A mentor is good for jobs, family, etc. Why not for relationships and sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 05:26 PM
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So they are mature enough to have sex and date other immature people but not mature enough to date a mature person?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 05:18 PM
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The amount of rejection a man phases decreases if he goes for women his age as again women are most attracted to men around their age. Rejection is less? Sure, but requirements are way higher for a lower quality woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 05:05 PM
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Umm, so nothing new for the guy? Rejection is normal for many of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 05:04 PM
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18-23 are just formative years and people are not fully developed. So they should be dating no one?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 05:04 PM
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HOT
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 05:03 PM
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I wonder if maybe God kind of left us mess ourselves to see how it all goes.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 01:42 PM
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Well, a complete computer in the pocket was a fantasy 40 years ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 01:41 PM
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This is nothing more than yet another incel sex fantasy Both men and women can benefit off this, incel or not, the tech exists and can get better if we all allow it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 07:39 PM
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What? I actually said this is good for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 06:35 PM
0

I just said it to keep them happy. I know they need rich and handsome guys around to feel their attention needs.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 06:31 PM
-4

Technology will get cheaper and cheaper and cheaper until eventually any mafia will be able to access it for human trafficking. Better do it legally anyway, like drugs or prostitution.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 02:40 PM
-1

Well, life is not fair anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 02:09 PM
1

ChatGPT response: It is true that the technology for artificial wombs is currently limited by ethical constraints, and that some animals such as sheep have been successfully grown in artificial wombs. However, it is unclear if or when this technology will be advanced enough to be used for human fetuses, let alone for adults. There are many complex ethical and moral considerations involved in the use of artificial wombs, and it is not yet clear how these issues will be resolved. Furthermore, the …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 01:44 PM
1

So I can request a custom lab wife? Niiiice.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 01:28 PM
2

Men hold all the power in oppressive countries. Men are to blame for women's status in society. That is a very simplistic view. Women have always have power in society, in fact birth rates and fertility are the fundamental power that allows countries to exist in the first place. Also blaming a whole gender for the power that only like 2% of men have is very intellectually dishonest. True. And then she takes all his money because he's dumb enough to believe that a beautiful, young woman would fal…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 09:35 PM
12

They claim to defend socially vulnerable groups, but what the push for hurts those people the most.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 09:28 PM
10

I find it quite ironic that those people often pushed for campaigns anti-bullying and autistic awareness, while this is clearly more damaging and the worst kind of bullying and disentrancement for people who are autistic or fat or have issues that can or cannot be fixed.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 08:19 PM
2

Sexist. Blaming women for what men to do them. What? Being poor is not something done to women, it is an issue caused by multiple issues that are not to blame on one gender or the other alone. All yours assumptions are very myopic. Until he finds a younger woman because his current wife got too old for him, dumps her, because he has the money and resources and she doesn't. Or you can see it as an opportunity for her to accrue resources and learn a skill and find her place in the West. She would …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 07:50 PM
17

Agreed, but remember that the sexual desire in men is naturally higher anyway. You can be totally fine with yourself and still have a huge sexual desire. Also that difference in desire is a benefit for women as men do most stuff they would never do, work longer hours, riskier, etc. just to get money and get women.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 07:20 PM
2

It is not my problem the issues those countries have to treat their people as trash, nor it is my responsibility (or anyone's but themselves) to fix them. Also you are assuming women have no agency, while in fact in most of those countries women have voting rights and still vote for the same trash that keep them in that situation, and women are also very classist and marry rich or violent men anyway. If a woman can get away from that environment marrying a relatively richer guy from the West, wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 07:18 PM
15

No, it is the lack of sex being shamed and used as an insult, not violent behavior. In fact, plenty of violent men have plenty of sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 07:09 PM
50

I see only two benefactors of this: 1. Women who get free stuff and favors from desperate men. 2. Government, who needs desperate men living to pay taxes and buying trash to collect sales taxes. Sure, it is not a conspiracy, nor it is anyone's fault, but a consequential state we fall into after these things are given. *Edited for clarity.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 07:08 PM
2

It does not matter. In the past there was institutions for people who would not get married, such as monks or priests or nuns. Even sometimes school teachers were not expected to marry. Sure, the past was worse on many other aspects such as wars and illness, but I guess that is how it compensated. However, as sex became the only currency for status in the West soon after the sexual revolution of the 60s, the dignity of people who are not attractive is being constantly put in question. I doubt we…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 07:06 PM
0

Women play slow-motion prostitution anyway, men are just widening the marked exploring elsewhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 06:50 PM
1

Sure, so is the life of the woman shittier in a poorer country. Still, they can help each other thrive.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 06:35 PM
0

The point is loser men cannot get a woman to like them without paying it for it. Yet Women cannot keep a good man without opening their legs, so?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 06:30 PM
3

A drug dealer who murders people but gets laid every weekend has zero value to me. He even has negative social value, and yet he may still be very valuable sexually for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 04:57 PM
5

God bless you bro, and thanks for inspiring us to choose the same. I hope the sex market in the West keeps crashing to people are aware of their sexual privilege or lack of.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 04:56 PM
1

Umm, yes, that is the point of relationships... accepting the good and bad of each other (to a limit, of course).
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 04:55 PM
13

Meanwhile they also vote for the state to bring more refugees, who are usually male. Clearly the interest here is to make themselves more valuable and limit men's options. Their movement is not humanitarian in the least.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 04:53 PM
15

Sort of. They want men they deem below them to stay in their place I cannot believe how classist women are and then talk with a straight face about "oppression".
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 04:48 PM
11

Imagine basing your self-steem on having a vagina you did not even work to get.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 04:47 PM
1

Of course they never will. Not to mention that most of them would hate being a housewife and help the husband, so only their notch has any value.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 04:46 PM
3

You don't really believe that escorts genuinely want to have sex with you? And men should care about that because? They get what they want, they get the money they want. What she prefers in her personal life is irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 04:44 PM
2

This makes no sense. Is not all jobs basically purchased consent? You consent to do something because you are paid, obviously.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 04:43 PM
3

You can have your cheap-foreign-goods of a woman, we dont care. Good, just stop trying to make laws harder and voting for trash that affect only men, such as the stupid Ukranian war.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 04:43 PM
3

America focused too much on profits over quality. Women's in market place became no different.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 04:41 PM
0

Sadly, sexual preference cannot be changed, but indeed it would be fun to have rich daddy that you at least can like and he likes you back.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 09:13 PM
1

You are right, also customer service jobs like that make them meet thousands of people. It makes sense after all.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 09:04 PM
2

The Golden Age you attribute to "Unions" and other similar laws or social organizations was the result of many dead men, the WWII. There was a scarcity of labor, men, resources, etc. so people, especially men, were on the position to negotiate and earn more.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 08:57 PM
3

Most feminist movements are associated with the Left, and the Left shames away feminists that do not follow their script, such as TERFs. Socialist and Marxist governments of the 20th century have been all but equalizing for men. In fact, they killed millions of men. Redpillers are living the capitalist fantasy in the Sexual market. Blackpillers attribute their bad luck to genetics and biology, not to political or social movements as much. The Left does not usually recognize the problems of group…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 08:47 PM
4

Bros' daughters eventually grow up
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 08:31 PM
0

Observe how often all men's issues are blamed on them. Contrast this with women issues... it is never their fault they did not find a husband at 30s or 40s, no, it is always "men are not enough for her" or some shit, while male issues are always blamed on them. Some men issues are outside of their control, caused by previous generations or powerful men that work in the shadows. Men do not bond to other men as much because that bond is formed using common activities, and those activities are ever…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 08:29 PM
1

I'm not complaining. I'm surprised some people are so blind to the privilege they have that could make life so easy for them!
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 08:22 PM
1

In such arrangement the sexual power she has is still higher than his financial power.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 07:58 PM
2

I think it depends on the single parent tbh.. If they're a strong role model that's great. You can have two crappy role model parents too. Maybe you are right, agreed. Maybe more kids from single parents are crappy just because they do not have multiple examples and the single parent is not the best.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 06:50 PM
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I'm not saying they will not be great people, just not sex appeal if there is not strong father as an example. Redpill tried to fix that to some men and it worked for some, but for most men who were risen as that it is over.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 05:53 PM
2

If you are talking about being a server or something, the really hot girls are making bank. I know some girls clearing over 100k a year doing serving jobs. Everything's free if you are a truly beautiful young woman. Interesting thing I did not consider. True. Truly living in tutorial mode. Now I get why they get so mad when they lose some of that privilege when they get older.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 05:36 PM
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Ummm, yes, men are more likely to work overtime, earn more and they are socially expected to. They do not have options like women. They do not need a rich boyfriend, just enough to share wealth with them. Even better if the man is a few years older and has a good job. It is a win-win for both. He gets top notch and she gets good safe money.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 05:18 PM
1

A financially supporting boyfriend, just as a marriage but without strong commitment. Prostitution is more anonymous and dangerous.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 05:09 PM
-4

Do you know how much power a completely financial supportive boyfriend has? He could decide to stop supporting her mid semester, leaving her with all the studies and none of the money support. That is not worse a problem than losing the job delivering pizzas. Women can get a new boyfriend in a week, they probably have a few already orbiting around.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 05:02 PM
-2

Ummm, slut shaming is from other women, not men.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 04:59 PM
-5

So if they fade, better use them as soon as possible to establish some stability, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 04:58 PM
1

What is your issues against sexual work? Feminists today know it is a job as any other.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 04:51 PM
1

That is not prostitution to use your SMV to rise up.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 04:50 PM
4

Life is harsher for uglier people, men or women.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 03:52 PM
-1

But you can use your sexual privilege in your advantage without sacrificing your dignity. e.g., Models, influencers, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 03:46 PM
1

Autism or Down's Syndrome?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 03:09 PM
0

So you maybe brought an innocent soul to a social and psychological hell.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 02:47 PM
1

so never been any pregnancy or STD scares in my life You are too old to get pregnant anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 02:39 PM
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I have a son and I don’t want him to end up like the bitter angry men on here It starts with a man being a good example for him, otherwise it is over. If you are a single mother, it is over. If you are a father and you did not fix your life, it is over too.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 02:34 PM
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Currently despite men's dropping testosterone our libidos seem higher. I wonder if that is a strategy of the species to try to fix this. Like "wow, testosterone is low... better get him the most libido to give him a shot". Maybe it is a biological call for help. It yet does not know it is over.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 12:57 PM
2

Is it good to be grateful and have abundance mentality? Sure, it helps. Will if fix your very real dating issues? Unlikely. In fact, it may hurt you as you may try even more and even get more into the hole.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 12:56 PM
1

I was more or less like that, but slowly I'm finding way to precess my emotions. Ironically I got more contact with women after just giving up, which made me more miserable because it reverted my progress to accepting my fate.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/22 05:58 PM
1

There are men who date around but never settle down! yes, because women keep fucking them
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/22 01:23 PM
1

I do not see OP criticizing adoption either.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/22 01:22 PM
1

Rising a kid is a sacrifice. People are more than welcome to adopt and love a child that is not biologically theirs, but they shall do it with consent and awareness.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/22 01:21 PM
1

Based.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/22 01:06 PM
1

Women here often claim that those age gap relationships are about abouse of power. Meanwhile concrete, testable abuse of power and partenting fraud is rewarded and not seen as a "big thing". The analogy is appropriate because the adjectives he used apply to both situations, but the later is more real.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/22 01:06 PM
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He's not kept in chains. He's not "forced" to do anything. Raising a child is rewarding, full stop. Funny, you can say exactly the same thing about a 18 years old girl dating a 40 years old man.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/22 01:00 PM
2

What part of CONSENT you cannot get?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/22 12:57 PM
1

Yes, precisely that is what taxes are for, not for financing Israel or paying foreign wars. Best option is enslave one innocent man instead using taxes for the purpose they exist in the first place? Fuck off.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/22 12:57 PM
2

Normal men are not out here “ruining” women for you. You just can’t get a date. I don't even like women lol. You are assuming stuff because your arguments are void and you know women are only valuable for a small window of time.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/22 12:55 PM
1

First or second group?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/22 12:53 PM
1

Sounds like there is no option for happiness. Sadly, even if you do it right the other person may fuck it up. I suspect less than 5% people are honest happy in their relationships, most just are slighly better not being lonely.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/22 08:34 PM
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The vast majority of men don't have children with multiple mothers. It does not matter. Even 2% more men having children with multiple women is enough to disrupt the market and make many an undatable waste field for women, lowering the number of women available for men overall and making single mothers struggle too.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/22 08:32 PM
1

60% group A, 20% group B.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/22 08:30 PM
1

I think preselection and confidence has more to do with this than what women claim to want from men. Regardless, those men suffer from lack of sex and partners, but women will just have to share men and suffer unfaithful men. I do not see much happiness anywhere in this dynamic but men have it worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/22 07:25 PM
0

My issue is simply your refusal to take accountability for your choices and actions. I don't think that has anything to do with porn, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/22 07:04 PM
4

No, I'm just saying that if men cannot get women because all the bullshit and dishonesty they receive from them (and society in general), they at least can get some sexual relief. Why do you hate even that? You shall be happy for those men, since probably you have male family members that benefit from the therapeutic relief they get from porn, and indirectly you benefit by not having sexually frustrated men around. I'd rather have men addicted to porn than going around trying to get women by for…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/22 06:42 PM
1

Everyone is secretly trying to one up each other or suffer in envy while keeping a straight face. DELET. Earth may be a hell after all.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/22 06:26 PM
3

I think all gender discussions must be performed in terms of generalizations.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/22 06:26 PM
3

Women always use posts like this to make it about themselves. If you read carefully, this is not about women, but about men who may or may not be lucky with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/22 06:25 PM
6

This doesn’t describe the vast majority of men I know. Most men are socially invisible.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/22 06:24 PM
5

It’s an incels fantasy if you truly believe women are damaged at the age of 30. There is not an epidemic of older women desperate for a guys attention The issue is that women over 30 had so many options and yet they are still single? Something must be wrong, and it is even worse if they have children from other guys, exes around, etc. No guy wants to deal with that. Sure, guys over 30 that are single probably have other issues, but many of them did not have even as close as many options as women…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/22 06:24 PM
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I'm what you would call a "porn sick" man but it is not my fault the following: - Women around said it was about personality. It was a lie. - Women said they wanted emotional men. It was a lie. - Women said they want relationship men. Also a lie, they keep birthing bastards from different guys. - Women say they hate pornsick men. Also a lie, men they marry watch as much porn as me. Lies, all lies, all shit testing, all gaslighting men who made the mistake of taking women's tips seriously. So wha…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/22 06:19 PM
1

I'd say men are extremists. They either produce a lot for society by building and inventing, or they cost society by crime and destruction. Women are more or less in the middle, except for Birthing which is very important and vital too.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/22 09:11 PM
1

People also forget that many migrants, even if they pay taxes and contribute, have their own family to take care of... sick children, elders, housewife, etc. They often send money to those people, or bring those people to the host country and make things even worse as in Canada is happening right now.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/22 02:26 PM
3

I disagree, because migration is a bubble, like printing too much money.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/22 05:47 PM
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In most European countries there is no replacement population. Now, migration may fix it, but only for a while as the Western ways are expanding fast even to other countries, which are also reducing in population. Another thing is that I doubt you will by properly cared for by religious extremists from 3rd world countries that have nothing to do with you... I imagine the nursing homes will be even worse hells. If grandmas complain their children do not visit them as frequently, only twice a mont…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/22 02:42 PM
1

If nobody is asking a woman out Literally not a problem for women, they can just open an app for an afternoon only, and get a bunch of men to serial date and meet and pick from that the best one. They have to pay nothing. They do not have to look socially "available", just open an app. Women want to sell themselves as victims of dating, they are not, and never were. They never struggled unless they were too old or too ugly, and even those women still have options as men are more open to relation…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/22 02:29 PM
5

I wonder if societies akin to the Amish, although maybe not as averse to tech (rather, maybe ban some tech such as fast pocket internet) may rise and establish healthy populations.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/22 02:26 PM
0

Im pretty sure men dont produce more value to the society. You Make it seem like women are leeches living off of males work. Except for birth, men do produce almost all women use and need to be "independent" and fund the anonymous institutions that protect and keep single moms not needing men directly, just though leeching the state. However, I do get your view because many men are useless overall. The key is that a few top men produce most wealth and labor, while the others just rot themselves,…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/22 02:24 PM
1

Interesting. I find gaps of even 15 years not that bad, but some women here seem to see it as an abomination for some reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/22 02:21 PM
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I'd say that the dating Apps were just an answer to a social decay that is unavoidable. We became more dependant on digital communication, and that kind of communication does not often include human interaction and cues. People are basically being groomed into autistic. But People will survive... women will keep increasing their dose of xanax, men will watch porn in 3D, etc. The decaying conditions will never be enough for any kind of revolution, but also not enough for people to be happy. This …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/22 02:19 PM
1

I think you have a point, women are far more intuitive than men, yet they often attribute that to magical thinking.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/22 02:14 PM
1

Even if I had the money I have no friends to share experiences anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 09:33 PM
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It also makes men dependent on one woman for sex, love and food. Of course women shall be disposable and replaceable as men always were in their jobs.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 09:26 PM
0

It is sexist, but why is the idea of sexism always seen negatively? No idea. Even people who claim to not be sexist love to say sexist claims about men.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 09:22 PM
1

For every girl that finds it disturbing, there are 3 others that feel validated and loved.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 09:21 PM
1

Maybe not as young as 15, but at 18 it is OK. I also think that helps the girls develop self-steem.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 08:45 PM
1

but when your dad's a trucker and you're his laborer you tend to encounter lots of old guys who think a 15- to 19-year-old would be interested in them. Well, there is nothing to lose trying. If those men want to take that risk, so be it. After all, rejection is not that important.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 07:46 PM
0

Teens + Old men = HOT SEX yummy
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 06:56 PM
0

Just pointing out age is not a big thing if the man is well established, while there is almost nothing a woman can do to compensate being old and losing the chad's gaze
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 05:34 PM
-1

Same source old women here have men care so much of them. The initial claim is theirs, and so far it is not based on evidence. So far only read old women here are screaming dads would not allow it (not true), or that younger women are too ignorant and almost children (while it is OK for them to have orgies with younger men for some reason). All inconsistent nonsense rant that suggests it is based on resentment, not evidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 03:40 PM
-5

older as in 10 years later (especially when the daughter is 18-20)? not a chance Love is Love.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 03:37 PM
-4

Sure, why not. Just pointing out plenty of fathers of daughters overlook age for just other traits that they believe are the benefit and for the best interest of their daughters.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 02:16 PM
0

You are dating top men anyway, rich guys with high status, taller. Age is in fact less significant than those variables. Why do you care anyway if they are happy?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 02:15 PM
1

I mean, I think it is an spectrum. I've hear older Women claim they have an "ick" for just an age difference of 10 years, but gladly most people do not care unless it is like 20+.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 02:14 PM
2

That is OK, and you have that preference and it is OK, just pointing out some old men pursue younger women and they can date and be happy, just as you can pursue men your age or no man at all and be happy.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 02:04 PM
0

Fathers would prefer their 18-25 year old daughters don’t get into relationships at all. Sure, but it is not what they prefer about that, but rather what man they would prefer their daughters to marry.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 02:03 PM
0

Did the father have the daughter while he was 10 years old? Because 10 years is not a huge age gap as people here claim, and no, 10 years older is not her father's age LOL.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 01:36 PM
-5

Just pointing out it is more likely for a father to want a stable older man than a junkie younger man to marry his daughter, it is for her best interest.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 01:34 PM
-9

No, fathers would prefer daughters to date stable men than young broke men studying a degree on arts.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 12:51 PM
-14

I disagree. In fact, I would argue fathers want daughter to date older precisely because the stability, rather than a young man with no job studying "arts". Most fathers have no problems their daughter dating older if the man is respectable or have status.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 12:50 PM
-2

Trust me no old woman wants a man that’d rather date someone young enough to be his daughter. Trust me bro. No, really, believe me bro. YOU HAVE to BELIEVE me. I NEED you to believe it. True. HONEST TRUE.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 12:48 PM
7

Is it true most women do not want to date significantly old men? True. Is true women are more likely to date older men than men dating older women? Also true. If they are happy, so let them be.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 12:46 PM
2

Umm, sweetie, changing a CSS file does not make you are real software engineer.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 06:12 PM
1

Choosing to abort because you do not want a baby, or because of a birth defect that will affect the person’s quality of life is very much not eugenics. Let's see the definition: Eugenics is a fringe set of beliefs and practices that aim to improve the genetic quality of a human population. Sounds a lot like therapeutic abortion, though. Sure, not exactly to improve the genetics of the species as a whole, but rather it is a byproduct for abortiong defective unborn babies.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 03:29 PM
2

But most argument for abortion is eugenic: It is bad for the mother, the child would not receive support, the baby may have a defect, etc. In fact even people who oppose abortion argue that sometimes abortion is necessary for those reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 02:48 PM
1

It is a reasonable assumption.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 01:44 PM
2

Men are stronger, smarter, and nitty gritty. Women work too but often their emotions are overwhelming.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 01:39 PM
1

Don't get me wrong, I also believe abortion as "choice" alone is fundamentally immoral, but many people who support abortion are often not morally consistent and that is what I point out here.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 01:37 PM
1

It is part of a greater trend of cowards trying to be "feminist".
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 09:08 PM
1

It is a paradox. Women interested in me the most precisely when I had zero interests in relationships, probably because I did not look desperate. I wonder if that is the reason why women end up with men that treat them as trash? Regardless, it is always good to put yourself first.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 09:01 PM
-2

I'm just pointing out a trend.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 08:59 PM
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No one is talking about legality, but morality. Some people argue for morality of abortion on grounds it is not a human, while claiming that some types of abortion are not moral, which is morally and logically inconsistent because if the fetus is not a human then you cannot be sexist or racist against it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 08:39 PM
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Umm, insisting your partner gets an abortion is not forcing, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 08:37 PM
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I think most-prochoicers would agree with us here, but it seems some other aspects of the left are trying to push a moral view to be "holier-than-thou" and I think that is not constructive, and morally inconsistent.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 08:34 PM
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Sure, I'm arguing on the moral ground only. If abortion is not murder because the unborn is not human, I'm just pointing out that you cannot be racist or sexist against a person that technically do not exist either. Sorry I did not clarify.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 08:23 PM
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Some virgin gamer calls himself feminist. He reads about how some women praise abortion and birth control and vasectomies, and how vasectomies are better than women being sterilized in the post-age of Roe, blah blah blah. They then try to buy female approval by getting a vasectomy and publishing it in reddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 08:19 PM
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So killing it is OK as long as not for the reason you approve? Sick morality it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 07:57 PM
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Feminist simping and brown points in reddit. That is why they publish themselves in the site. They do not realize how much so many women despise feminist men.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 07:55 PM
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Just pointing out that the only consideration is not her comfort.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 07:01 PM
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The fact is it’s easier and cheaper for men to have a vasectomy over women having tubal ligation. Those are not the only considerations. Vasectomies may be harder to reverse than tubal ligation, and also they may divorce or she may die and the man may want to have more children later in life.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 06:21 PM
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Those are the kind of guys that are probably not having sex in the first place, it is all virtue signaling.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 06:19 PM
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A few years ago I was in a conversation with a young man on Reddit who said he would never want a daughter so would insist his partner aborted if she was pregnant with a female fetus. I wonder why is that a bad thing if the fetus is not a person? People here want to have the cake and eat it too. They want freedom to get an abortion except when the abortion is for reasons of race or gender? Nonsense. Either voluntary abortion of a healthy fetus is OK or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 06:18 PM
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There's a shitty idea going around that it's always reversible. I definitely think that these people should do more research before causing healthy men to become permanently infertile. Only good thing is those redditors getting sterilized, but they are not having sex anyway so they are just wasting money.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 06:16 PM
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I think it is cringe to make a political statement out of the possibility of having children or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 06:15 PM
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On average they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 06:15 PM
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Women and top men arent trying to kill off the other men, they simply don’t care about them. Got way too many things to worry about beyond why Steven can’t pull I don't think it is a conscious thing, and in most cases it is women.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 05:14 PM
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I can provide my own things? I doubt you can provide your own things without any third person providing an infrastructure, though, and probably the thing itself too.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 05:12 PM
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I value men and women inherently because human life has value as is to me. Meaningless mombojombo. Women are the most classist gender, they choose to marry rich, good looking, taller men. They do not believe what you claim, but they love to claim that to look virtuous.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 03:42 PM
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Yes, but precisely that is my point... that 1/3 of men that reproduced are as valuable as the 2/3 of women that reproduced. You see, the value is the same by gender, but not equally distributed among men as it is often in women.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 03:30 PM
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Sperm is sperm in a pinch. Not true, women do not want to be fertilized by any sperm. But I do agree that women have a default biological value, but that does not make them move valuable as a gender, because men still have to compensate for mating by producing equivalent value. It is like a boss and workers. Workers are more disposable as there are less employers, but overall, as a class workers are as valuable as bosses, which is the point of this post: value is by individuals, but collectively…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 03:27 PM
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however they aren't directly in that woman's life on the daily. Nor do we know a boy that's born is going directly into those for certain. I think the reason is that men's value is more impersonal, while women's value is more attached to their bodies and care and behavior, so it cannot be taxed or separated as much.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 02:50 PM
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1 dick and a hundred cunts can repopulate a village, 1 cunt and a hundred dicks is a collapse scenario Sure, but often that dick will be more valuable as women often only value a few top men. An hour of mediocre pussy costs around $200, dick is so worthless and disgusting to so many that you literally can't give it away Sure, but that money $200, is valuable for the woman for the exchange, so men have an equivalent value, just not on the context of genitalia.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 02:49 PM
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Your comment is an example, as it is just twisted to make it about me as a personal insult, even my post being totally impersonal. Yes, I believe women and top men see bottom men as a load and they want to get rid of it by dehumanizing them.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 02:46 PM
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I think the value of women for fertility is applied collectively to women, same as why we love grandmas even them not being fertile anymore. It is only an issue if the couple wants children.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 02:44 PM
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Even if we ignore that, humans will still be valued more or less by others regardless.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 02:33 PM
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Most of those things you listed are still provided by men, but anonymously or as value taken by force from men by the state, though. If the state could take women's wombs, it would.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 02:24 PM
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Sadly, you are probably right, yet I don't think it is a reality we can really avoid.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 02:23 PM
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I agree with this. Human Rights are by themselves more like descriptions of reality and recognition of what it is, they do not need me to recognize them or value them, they are. They are not valuable or marketable, and that is how it should be. I do not want to have to pay or provide anything just to have free speech, for example. You do not have to pay taxes to have human rights either.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 02:21 PM
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If masculinity and strength was determined by male genitalia I’d also say you’re wrong. Ummm, technically it is. Testosterone is mainly produced in the testicles. In a sense, genitalia is the most sacred part of our bodies because we exist thanks to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 02:19 PM
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I think you are more in love with an ideal than with people or humanity as a whole. That is OK, though. Regardless, that loves do not add anything to the world. It is more beneficial for us, but there is no transaction, so value is not really there.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 02:13 PM
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I think that collectively fertile women gave women to infertile women, also infertile women have sexual value, they can care for others, be loving, caring, etc. Today many men do not want children, so those infertile women are as valuable for them as fertile women. However, if a man want to have children, obviously he will appreciate an infertile woman in the same way, and probably resentment will rise soon or later. If it makes you feel better, men also have these pressures put on them. For exa…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 02:09 PM
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If you believe in God or something like that that gives value or appreciate us then yes, everyone has value, but as humans we cannot love everyone, and value is always given or taken by others. If you do not have anything to give or be taken, you are not valuable for others, relatively speaking. That does not mean you do not have dignity, though. I'm talking more on the aspect of value that can be measured or at least prized.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 01:59 PM
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Even in women, fertility is not just risky, but also limited to a few decades. That makes it valuable. I do not get why they get mad at this, men get pride as being masculine and stronger, why cannot women also appreciate their own abilities that give them default value? That is OK.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 01:55 PM
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A lot of women don't want to have children, that's perfectly fine. Agreed, but those women in back of their mind know that they would not be shit without a vagina. Their value comes because men are horny, and they hate horny men and yet that is what gives them any value at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 01:50 PM
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That extra money from the man often goes to the collective of the house, paying bills, etc. while the money women make is often only for themselves and maybe their children. That is why men do not care if the woman earns a lot or not, as he will probably not enjoy that money anyway, while she does see him as insurance for her income. Another thing is that no one is forcing those women to make extra hours in house, not to mention most of it is bullshit like extra decoration or changing style when…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 01:49 PM
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I disagree. What women's body do is amazing: They create another human being, after man just provides a sperm cell. It is a huge risk, it is scary, it is also beautiful and necessary, yet that implies women are respected and valued for just that ability.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 01:47 PM
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What about the value of just being a sentient, thinking, feeling being? It all cancels out because if everyone is basically that then only differentiation has value. For example: If you have a car and don't need another, I have a car and don't need another, then there is no value implied among us for cars. Only if we find an external buyer the cars have liquid value.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 01:46 PM
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Men who are married often have to work extra hours, women do extra housing work. It all evens out, they have different priorities, but they fit well.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 01:32 PM
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Many women hate the fact their value comes from fertility, and they try to deny it to the point they openly hate motherhood and pregnancy and praise abortion.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 01:31 PM
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So you need the stuff, not the providers of the stuff?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 01:10 PM
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I wonder how lonely will this generation be. If parents complain their children visit them once a month, imagine those without any family to visit them as their mind degradates.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 01:06 PM
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Sure, only because the sandbox of civilization that men keep.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 01:05 PM
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What unfree labor? Cleaning a house and cooking is not that hard.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 01:00 PM
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I know, just pointing out they appeal to fertility as value after hating it so much.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 12:59 PM
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Conclusion: men go into this weird fantasy place when horny, objectify and dehumanize the hell out of women, many are incredibly porn sick and just downright disgusting in the way they’ve had their reality warped by porn. If men were not like that, we would be extinct. A man desiring you sexually does not mean he is dehumanizing you. It seems you want to see this as a reason to despise all men, instead assuming that maybe the reason almost all men are like that is that it is human nature and the…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 08:54 PM
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Agreed, the usage of the word "need" and "want" here may be too obfuscated. It is about priorities.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 08:33 PM
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there's still plenty of people out there who will keep nagging you about marriage and kids and how you'll die a bitter old cat lady if you don't marry someone Well, I guess it depends on what priorities the person puts on relationships. If a person wants children, a husband, a wife, a wedding, etc. but his or her standards are too high, then that person will disappoint themselves. It is a reasonable assumption.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 07:54 PM
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bUt i cAn hAvE bAbiEs eVeN wHen I rAthEr kILL thEm aNd hAvE cAts
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 07:27 PM
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You are right, but I think this sexual market today created lots of resentment even on conventionally attractive people for dynamics they cannot have any control on. That attitude of dehumanization is not right, but understandable. That is the prize of opening the sexual market, and I'm sure many women are not enjoying that as much as they expected.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 03:58 PM
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Wanting food and flowers somehow suggests you need a partner????? That doesn’t even make any sense. It does not make sense to spend so much on something that is not a need, though. Ironically comparing women to a Ferrari is precisely what they complain about being objectified and value only for their sexuality, and men that do that are seen as desperate. Women will fuck or even marry hot men without any ceremony if they feel sexual interest, all that luxury is cope and desperation from men. Wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 03:53 PM
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I get your point but most women today did not live such times. It is like saying men today complaining women do not appreciate them because their grandpas died in mining or something. You sound like the “why isn’t there white history month??!” people. Except I'm not talking about men here (who are the "whites" in your analogy), just the attitude of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 03:43 PM
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Understood, no problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 03:31 PM
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Is sexual desire a need? If so, it shall be provided by the state as food or shelter. SAGs (State Assigned Girlfriend).
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 03:31 PM
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I think men need women more than women need men in this day and age. It depends if you consider sexual desire a need, though. Overall men produce and work and take more risk than women and women get the most benefits of civilization men are forced to pay for. Unless you are fine on your own, you will never function well in a healthy relationship I kind of agree on that, but also that means there is not much reason to put effort in keeping or building relationships, right? I hope you can see the …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 03:30 PM
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You cannot help who you are attracted to. It's involuntary. So? Men are attracted to thin, younger women, yet they are hated for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 03:25 PM
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It’s the weird revenge fantasy again. Hmm, some women really think they are that important to be an object of revenge, lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 03:24 PM
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They are emcels... emotionally celibate. But almost all women can get sex in literally minutes.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 03:21 PM
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Revenge why? They get chances with younger, hotter women, they will take them. No resentment against you are you are not that special.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 03:17 PM
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Do you think all relationships are luxuries for both men and women?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 03:14 PM
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Ironically, if they said they are so much better and the best, people would consider them arrogant, yet when people put down half population just to feel superior, somehow it is empowering and OK.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 03:12 PM
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At least they find relief, instead of just trying to get the attention by fake attempts to suicide as women do.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 03:10 PM
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It's all sorts of envy, there is a reason femimism and marxism often overlap. Envy. Agreed 100%. This is why Nietzche called out resentful people, they are the destroyers of all good.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 03:08 PM
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Most often than not it seems feminists are just making up intellectual excuses to make hotter women and hotter men have less sex. Envy.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 02:36 PM
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they are quick to let women know that they'll never be content unless they find someone to give them an additional title (wife or mother) without which they can never be truly happy. Umm, maybe if that is part of your desire than indeed not having a partner can make you unhappy, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 02:35 PM
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If you look upon being single as the worst thing that could happen to you, then you’ll desperately cling to the first person that gives any attention So if you do not need another person then no effort for dating is that important, right? No expensive food, no flowers. All that would suggest you need that person, so better play safe and be cheap if being single is just as fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 02:32 PM
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he gets diagnosed with autism. The mom gets money for his “autism”. The school gets money for his “autism”. Seems like a very perverse incentive there.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 02:30 PM
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So, men are an accessory, luxury for relationships?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 02:23 PM
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Turn on the TV and most of the women you see will be in relationships Umm, excuse me, but that means not much because women do not need to do anything special to be in relationships, as men are hornier. Even morbid obese women have more chances than average and under-average-yet-ok men. However, maybe you are right and socially the pressure on women is harder, yet I'd prefer to have options available (people asking me out, so I can say yes or not) than no options at all. Of course single women a…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 02:21 PM
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Women don't need Men for relationships. Society needs strong capable Men though unless we want to live in the dark ages. Yet women need government the most, so at the end they just need men but the state is a proxy to funnel men's labor and resources to them, without any kind of proportional reciprocation to the main contributors.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 02:16 PM
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Are you sure about that? All I hear are TV commercials and college courses telling women how independent they are. I'm not denying you have a point, as I do not know the experience of women, but so far it seems media messages are about making women independent rather than dependent.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 02:10 PM
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I wish men could be happier single. I also wish women were happier without drugs.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 01:55 PM
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Depression is a neurochemical imbalance There is no scientific evidence that depression is caused by a "chemical imbalance", and such belief is dangerous because it make people relinquish responsibility of their own mental hygiene. Just pointing out women love to go to therapy, take all kind of drugs, have social networks given to them rather than earned by any status as men, and yet they are considerably unhappy given all those treatments and bullshit they love to recommend men to take. Imagine…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 01:34 PM
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Umm, I'm not claiming anything, just linking the article. Don't you think those women would be better with some emotional support such as a partner? It is a reasonable assumption. Considering all the drugs they use just to barely function, maybe drugs are just cope.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 01:26 PM
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Well, feminists fought for sexual liberation. Now try to put the genie back into the bottle.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 01:24 PM
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Find ways to be happy with yourself. You do not need any woman to be happy, but indeed if you want to have a family you will have to overcome those feelings of giving up and relinquishment, but that is OK, that is part of life.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 01:21 PM
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women in general are happier being single than men in general are Relevant: Why are middle-aged women 2 ½ times more likely to take antidepressants than men?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 01:20 PM
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I disagree: Traditionalism encourages men to take care of their families and often punishes men that do not do that. Of course, this power given to men can be abused, but more often than not men do care of their families and society shall encourage it. TRP is more concerned about dating, not this aspect. Women benefit from Traditionalism far more than they want to admit. They still expect men to be traditionalists on initiation, caring for them, paying, sacrificing, etc. but they hate the respon…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 01:18 PM
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It's Shayna xD
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/22 02:08 PM
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They do not need to be that dishonest, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/22 02:06 PM
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