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Except now all the cringe shit teenagers do is recorded and on the internet forever. I think that has a much more lasting impact than 10+ years ago when your cringey antics would only been seen by your friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/20 06:37 PM
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I was born in the 90s and was 12 in 2005. So while social media wasn't around my entire life it certainly was for most of my formative years. That's why I'm specifying younger millenials i.e. those in the '90 - '95 birth year demo. I agree older millenials born in the mid-late '80s would not have many overlapping experiences with Gen Z.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/20 06:32 PM
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People still meet in real life. The majority of high school and college aged kids are forming relationships through their social circles. OLD is only prevalent among working adults since it's harder to meet new people when you're out of school How is OLD "artificial" and "planned"? It's not like people go straight from meeting someone in Tinder to planning their wedding. They still have to go on dates and vibe in person. I legitimately do not get this boomer level way of thinking. OLD is just a …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/20 06:25 PM
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Says the guy engaging in personal insults
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/20 02:44 PM
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It's not the lack of attraction I'm calling hypocritical, it's the opposition to men doing anything to artificially improve their appearance when women do it all the time. I also highly doubt the women here saying they're not into it would actually care that much irl. I mean regular sneakers can already add 1" to a person's height.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/20 02:42 PM
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We're going to have to agree to disagree
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/20 02:37 PM
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Red/blackpilled beliefs. It's not as prevelant among younger millenials as it is with Gen Z but I definitely feel like my friends around my age lean purple vs my older millenial/gen x friends who tend to be very blue Growing up with the internet and social media (although I don't think it bled into our real life as much as it does with Gen Z) General socioeconomic anxiety and despair about the future of the world
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/20 05:22 AM
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Fair enough. I'm also right around the millenial/Gen Z cutoff (born '93) so I'm sure some of my experiences overlap with Gen Z.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/20 05:06 AM
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The only person trying to put feelings over facts here is you
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/20 04:48 AM
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The book "Cheap Sex" by sociologist Mark Regnerus talks about it. He gets his data from this survey: https://relationshipsinamerica.com There's the multiple studies by OkC, and also this Tinder experiment: https://medium.com/@worstonlinedater/tinder-experiments-ii-guys-unless-you-are-really-hot-you-are-probably-better-off-not-wasting-your-2ddf370a6e9a And even if you don't believe that evidence, it's also obvious through simple logical deduction. There are far more men in the casual dating scene…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/20 04:46 AM
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Younger millenials grew up with the internet and social media too but I don't think we as a whole are all that "red pilled".
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/20 04:27 AM
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Feel free to read the TRP sidebar, I'm not going to copy and paste every link. Now once again where's your evidence? Downvoting is against the sub rules sweaty
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/20 03:56 AM
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How about you show me your non-anecdotal data that most men are successful in obtaining casual sex? Because at least TRP has some empirical evidence of the 80/20 rule. All you seem to have ad hominem attacks and irrelevant details about speaking French. Funny as those are classic tactics of people who have no logical argument. Oh and thanks for the downvotes. That definitely proves you aren't a sore loser.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/20 03:47 AM
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The "sexual marketplace" isn't just people seeking casual sex, it's all available single people. And yes the Pareto principle has been demonstrated over and over again in any scene that is exclusively focused on casual sex. From Tinder to OkC to bars and clubs it is always a small fraction of men who are able to obtain casual encounters, and this is primarily due to the fact that there are 2 - 3x more men seeking sex than there are women. I mean can you really, genuinely say you've seen the majo…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/20 03:34 AM
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Except she wasn't even talking about you. She was giving a generic answer as to why women do this. Seems you're the one here with a massive chip on your shoulder.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/20 03:20 AM
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As I said: By that logic showering regularly and not wearing a trash bag everyday are feminine interests
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/20 03:00 AM
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Pareto can apply to any limited commidity where demand is higher than the supply. I didn't say it was invented by TRP. In this case the commidity is casual sex and the demand from men is much greater than the supply of women willing to engage in casual sex. In regards to the SMP, is it not implying that 20% of men are, more or less, sleeping with 80% of women?” No. If there are 100 single women, but only 20 of them are interested in casual sex, then 20% of men would be sleeping with 16 of those …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/20 02:58 AM
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I mean by that logic regular showers and not wearing a trash bag everyday is a "feminine interest your appearance".
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/20 02:46 AM
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No. The Pareto principle--as someone stated above--is that 20% of men are having 80% of the heterosexual CASUAL SEX. That means they're getting 80% of the women in the casual sex market, not 80% of all women. The vast majority of men and women are easily able to obtain sex within committed relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/20 02:19 AM
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I am a woman lol. I just think it's hypocritical for people of my gender to say guys shouldn't wear lifts then turn around and put on a full face of makeup
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/20 01:56 AM
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Where are those numbers? The average age of first marriage in the US is 26 (29 for college educated women) and first child is ~2yrs later. I haven't seen any statistics showing any significant amount of women are delaying marriage until their early - mid thirties much less having kids. I know one woman who got a degree and didn't get into the workforce right away to start a family - and it hurt her. Well yeah popping out babies immediately after undergrad is stupid if you want a career. But work…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/20 10:52 PM
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It's a fact. If it was not a fact then age gaps would be all over the place. But since they strongly align right around 2 years that tells me the majority of women are not dating men much older than themselves. Also these aren't studies, it's data from the US census Your personal experience is irrelevant to wider social trends. You may have found a bunch of women who like dating older but that doesn't change the fact that they're in the minority.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/20 10:11 PM
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The average age difference between spouses is ~2yrs and only ~7% of marriages have a difference of more 10 years. Here's the data from 2014: https://www.google.com/amp/s/fivethirtyeight.com/features/whats-the-average-age-difference-in-a-couple/amp/ Here's the latest raw data from 2019, you can do the calculations yourself although I doubt it's changed much in 6 years: https://www.census.gov/programs-surveys/cps/data.html It's not an opinion it's a fact. Most women aren't into much older men.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/20 09:57 PM
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Almost all of the single women in their 30s I know are childfree and either neutral or anti marriage. I can only think of one who has "baby fever" at 37 and she's crazy in multiple other ways. Everyone else I know who wanted a family was either married or on their way to being married by their late 20s.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/20 09:16 PM
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First of all yes, that is what it means, and that is the way the majority of angry terps use it. Second, by your logic any woman who didn't get married to her first bf "rode the CC" which is just stupid.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/20 09:12 PM
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Yes they do. The claim is that women only date casually until their 30s when they suddenly decide to look for serious relationships. The reality is that even slutty women are looking for LTRs in their 20s. It's just that they'll also sleep around between relationships whereas higher inhibition women won't.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/20 09:04 PM
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The raw data in the second link which is directly for a site Belgium based site has data from 2018. You can even download the Excel sheet and take a look yourself if you don't believe me.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/20 08:49 PM
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Where are you seeing that? Second link I posted says it's from 2018
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/20 08:42 PM
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Yes and? You think the average has gone down 7+ years between 2015 and 2020? If anything it's probably higher Here's some data from 2018: https://statbel.fgov.be/en/themes/population/partnership/marriages In 2018, it is still around the age of thirty that single people tend to marry, at 33 years for the first spouse and at 30.7 years for the second. The age difference in the couple does not vary: 2.4 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/20 08:34 PM
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Average age of first marriage for women in Belgium is 30: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_age_at_first_marriage Sounds like your friend group is part of a tiny minority
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/20 08:27 PM
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Yep. Any women who gets pissed about a guy wearing lifts if she regularly wears makeup is a massive hypocrite.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/20 07:12 PM
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Yes. Don't listen to women give you bullshit about "cOnfIDencE iS mOrE iMpoRtant"--they're just virtue signaling. Imo if something gives you an advantage on the dating market and it doesn't involve hurting yourself or other people then do it. The only issue I can see if the woman is close to your natural height she will probably notice when the shoes come off.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/20 06:11 PM
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Central Europe is a lot more conservative than other western countries iirc. That's definitely not the norm in the US or Western Europe
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/20 05:33 PM
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Are you Mormon? Women getting married in their early 20s is not only rare but 75% of them will end up divorced The average age of marriage for women in the US is 26, and it's even higher when you break it down by education or income
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/20 04:34 PM
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What do you consider a high N count OP?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/20 06:28 AM
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I didn't see every man I said for a lot of them, and particularly men involved in the manosphere.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/20 03:47 AM
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I don't understand why people even care. I don't give a shit how "unique" my SO is as long he's attractive and has a compatible personality and life goals.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 07:12 PM
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Even young men suffer from terrible, generic boring profiles. OLD in Seattle is filled with dudes who think having a dog or going hiking 3x/year are personality traits
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 06:58 PM
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Fair. I do think the majority of the push against age gaps is for people in their teens & early 20s though. Once the younger person is in their late 20s - early 30sish and age gap doesn't matter as much since both people are mature, established adults.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 06:19 PM
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An big age gap in your late 20s and up isn't the same thing as a big age gap in your teens - early 20s
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 06:03 PM
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Yes and most of them make the decision to date men their own age lmfao
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 05:56 PM
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I'll concede a dude who actually puts in effort may be able to attract hot young women. But it seems to me much of TRP these are incels and incel lites who whine that 18yos don't want them while doing nothing to actually be attractive to said 18yos. A lot of them also get really mad that older women shame them for wanting young women even though a truly redpilled man wouldn't give a shit what women think.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 05:54 PM
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Except it's not just me saying it, there's tons of young women in this thread saying they find old men who hit on them creepy and gross. I was in my teens & early 20s at one point to and remember being incredibly creeped out any time I guy older than his late 20s hit on me. My friends my age felt the same. The idea that there are any significant amount of young women who like large age gap relationships is an incel/manosphere fantasy.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 05:48 PM
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Sure the top 5% (in looks or wealth) are able to obtain hot young women. Leo DiCaprio is well known for only dating models under 23. But the 95%--which is where most manospherians fall--certainly are not.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 05:36 PM
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Disagree. When I say "bottom of the barrel" I mean women who bring absolutely nothing to the table except youth. They aren't attractive, they aren't good LTR/wifey material--the vast majority of men (even much older men) are able to get with these women if they lower their standards enough. Also I'm not saying all age gap relationships are like this. I'm talking about men who only chase women that are significantly younger than they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 04:45 PM
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No my answer is age because these men aren't dating young beautiful women, they're dating young fat/unnatractive/plain women. The majority of 18 - 25 yo women don't want to date men old enough to be their fathers. The ones that do are either a) golddiggers or b) too ugly to get men around their own age.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 04:35 PM
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Yeah I get that. But these dudes act like getting a young woman is some major life accomplishment. These are guys making fun of "post wall" women, calling guys who date women their own age simps and making 500 PPD posts a week about how it's completely natural for men to date girls young enough to be their daughters. They want other people--particularly women--to acknowledge that they've "made it" and get pissed off that most people either a) don't care or b) think they're creepy.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 04:31 PM
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It's not the attraction itself I'm calling a fetish, I understand why men are attracted to younger women. But some men get hyper focused on a woman's age to the point of ignoring everything else about her. That's what I'm calling a fetish. These are also the same guys who feel the need to constantly justify why they're dating someone barely legal. If he's bragging, then I imagine that's because he thinks he's done well for himself. My point is he hasn't done well. The women these types of guys d…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 03:00 PM
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The question was "is he going after looks or age?". My answer was age, because these men will date unnatractive young women and then brag about it like it's an accomplishment. Note I'm specifically talking about men who brag about dating someone younger, or feel like they need to justify their preferences. I'm not talking about dudes in age gap relationships who aren't making a fuss about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 02:51 PM
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I still don't see how that changes my point that he's fetishising her age Also note I'm specifically talking about men who BRAG about dating young woman. I'm not talking about a guy who just happens to be in an gap relationship but doesn't make a big deal about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 02:41 PM
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My point is the young woman is often worse looking than women his age. Hence he's just fetishising her age
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 02:32 PM
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Nah for a lot of these men it's definitely about the age. I've seen many older dudes brag about having a young gf but the gf in question is incredibly plain looking
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 02:28 PM
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In what world is $45k/year enough to afford a family? Even if you lived in the middle of nowhere you'd be barely scraping by
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/20 04:03 AM
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v shaped bodies, masculine faces with strong jaws, deep voice, height, big hands not the person you replied to but also as someone who's bicurious, it's fucking weird to claim women have "inherently" attractive things that men don't
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/20 03:35 PM
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I've been involved in animal rescue for a long time and the people who run private shelters/rescues are always batshit insane. However the volunteers are usually pretty nice normal people (except the lesbian pit moms).
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/20 06:52 PM
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All of my LTRs had pretty similar personalities. Laid back, down to earth, kind, intelligent and slightly extroverted. Also very very witty and sometimes goofy--I can't date a guy who doesn't make me laugh. The only physical commonality was that they were all fit but otherwise my exes have looked fairly different from one another.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/20 06:44 PM
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Gonna go against the grain and say I wouldn't be into it. I'm very much a "sex in <= 3 dates" kind of girl. All my SOs (including now husband) started out this way. I'd pick the manwhore over the virgin any day. However I think wrt to sex, water finds it's level. The kind of personality who likes having sex quickly isn't compatible with personalities who prefer waiting. So if you're a guy who's staying chaste until marriage, you probably wouldn't be into sex driven women anyway (and vice versa).
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/20 06:33 PM
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Immigrants from where? There are pretty big cultural differences between Muslims from South Asia, the Middle East, Africa, SEA etc I'm from a secular South Asian family but we have Muslim friends and all their kids got arranged marriages to other SA Muslims. I don't think their parents would ever be ok with an interracial marriage even if the guy was Muslim.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/20 05:58 PM
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This only works if there are enough submissive religious women to go around. Maybe right now there are but I would guess on the long run even your qt submissive Asian waifus are going to end up liberated just like western women Ime religious foreigners--particularly Middle Eastern and South Asians--are strongly against interracial marriage for their daughters. Maybe your friends just got lucky but I can't imagine most parents would choose a western beta over a nice boy from their own race/cultur…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/20 05:38 PM
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Yes and it still doesn't change the 80/20 rule--that 20% of men are having 80% of the casual sex. It's just that what is the top 20% in real life is different than the top 20% online.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/20 04:27 PM
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I mean Seid is also pretty tall and has an objectively nice face but I'm not attracted to him at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/20 02:30 PM
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Is your dog park small? The off leash area near where I live is still open but it's huge and easy to maintain a 6' distance.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/20 02:46 AM
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You eat guys for breakfast?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/20 02:37 AM
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And all of the countries you listed also happen to be very traditionalist. Are you trying to refute OP's point? Because it seems like you're doing the opposite
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/20 02:27 AM
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I mean free porn has been around pretty much my entire adult life but I've never dated a guy with the issues described here, and neither have my friends around my age (27). It seems to be mostly Gen Z women complaining about it which makes me think it's a generational thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/20 11:09 PM
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Lol what did you think "veiny roid muscle men" was going to be a picture of
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/20 10:31 PM
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I like fit men but not Jeff Seid level giant veiny definitely on roids muscle men. For me the ideal body on a guy is similar to Francisco Lachowski, with a bit more of a v shape. Basically something any young man who goes to the gym 3 - 5 days would be able to achieve.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/20 10:07 PM
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Right? It's not like I'm virtue signaling by saying height doesn't matter and then only dating tall men. I've literally been in relationships with shorter guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/20 09:25 PM
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you can type pussy on the internet OP
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/20 08:03 PM
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Do you think it's just porn that's making young men act like this? Because I'm probably only a few years older than you (27) and I've never heard women my age have such extreme experiences. But it seems to be super common among Gen Zers.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/20 08:02 PM
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I didn't "suck his dick" I dated him for 4 years. Or does it only count if we get married and die together? And how am I calling him a midget? 5'7" is below average in Western countries.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/20 07:47 PM
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How old are you? Is this a Gen Z thing? I've literally never had a guy comment on my labia or stomach folds or expect me to do deep throat and anal. And these were completely casual, first few dates sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/20 07:18 PM
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But if you talked to me 5 years ago my current bf at the time was below 6'. So your meme doesn't make any sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/20 06:54 PM
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Where did I say I like shorter guys? Also did you completely overlook the fact that I dated a below average height man for several years?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/20 06:51 PM
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There's a 9" difference between me and my husband (I'm 5'3", he's 6'). However I have gone out with men from 5'5" to 6'8". For me it's less about height and more about frame + presence. For example my last serious ex was 5'7" (so a 4" difference). However he was an amateur bodybuilder so even though he wasn't significantly taller than me he felt a lot bigger. He was also overall very masculine looking and confident. On the other hand I remember going on a date with a guy who was maybe 6'2" but s…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/20 06:36 PM
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Personally when I--and most of my friends--have dated much older men (10+ yrs) we put them squarely in the "casual relationship" bucket. I don't really consider them for long term material so I don't have many requirements beyond "be hot" and "be good at sex". Whereas when I was dating men around my age I had a lot more requirements for long term compatibility since I actually considered these guys for serious relationships. For reference I'm 27 now and married to a guy that's a year older, but …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/20 06:07 PM
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Same. I told my manager the other day that once quarantine is over I'm taking at least two WFH days a week.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/20 04:05 PM
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Same. I've never found any of my friends SOs attractive or vice versa. We all have very different types.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/20 05:09 PM
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Nah that looks bad for both men and women. Unless you're just trying to get in her pants and never see her again in which case it doesn't matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/20 02:52 PM
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It also depends on how much younger he's trying to date. A doctor/lawyer/engineer in his 30s trying to date women in their 20s? Definitely. In his 50s trying to date women their mid - late 30s? Also possible. In his 50s trying to date women in their 20s? Unless it's a sugar baby arrangement it's unlikely. Even if he's super good looking he's never going to be able to compete with men closer to her age.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/20 10:47 PM
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Depends on her type. For example I prefer "swimmer's build" guys over musclemen, whereas my friend who is dating the bodybuilder is obviously into muscle. My point is men who date significantly younger are either a) in the top % of men or b) are dumpster diving. An average guy dating a hottie 10+ yrs his junior is near impossible.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/20 10:36 PM
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When I was 22 I briefly dated a man in his 30s. He had the face and body of a male model and regularly took me on fancy dates which he paid for. My friend has been dating a man 15yrs her senior for a few years (met when they were 23 & 38). He's a 6'6 bodybuilder who looks close to a decade younger than he is. So the answer is, for really rich or really attractive guys it's possible. Doubly so if the guy looks younger than he is. But for the average older man? Probably not.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/20 10:14 PM
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A lot of rich housewives in my area have all that but you wouldn't know just by looking at them. A good surgeon can work wonders.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 09:41 PM
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I would certainly care about my friends opinions on his personality and long term potential. A lot of times your friends can see red flags about a guy that you don't notice. I don't care about their opinions on his looks. My friends and I have very different tastes in men (I've never found their SOs attractive and vice versa).
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 02:54 PM
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This hasn't been my experience at all. Most women I know (including myself) have multiple lifelong female friends. My two best friends and I have known each other since we were 11.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 02:55 AM
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Sounds like your female friends are just toxic people
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 02:32 AM
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Not really. Women are often perfectly happen while single because we tend to have more deep platonic connections.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 02:22 AM
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You can get emotional connection from your platonic friends
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 02:19 AM
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No. Emotional connection and having a community are needs. Sex is definitely not. I can sympathize with men who don't have friends
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/20 02:08 AM
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Occasional reminders aren't nagging. nag·ging /ˈnaɡiNG/ adjective 1.(of a person) constantly harassing someone to do something. "a nagging person"
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/20 08:59 PM
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That's something you do for children under 12. If you have to do it to an adult there's a problem with your relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/20 08:45 PM
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They also don't need 18 years to change. I'm not seeing how nagging had any effect at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/20 08:03 PM
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OP is obviously talking about women who do put up with it. The women that don't also don't nag--they either communicate or they leave.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/20 05:55 PM
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So the nagging didn't change him, it's seeing how his son turned out. If nagging actually worked it wouldn't have taken that long.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/20 05:31 PM
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Putting up with people is part of life. Then why is she nagging him? If someone's behaviors are a deal breaker then leave. If they're not, and that person won't change after talking to them like an adult, then just stfu and deal with it. Nagging is just toxic.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/20 05:23 PM
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Why would you stay with a man you have to nag? I've never had to nag my husband to do chores because he's done his fair share since we first started living together. I wouldn't marry a guy who doesn't pull his weight around the house. If you’re doing what you’re suppose to, would nagging really be a problem? Of course it wouldn't. But it's also partly the woman's fault for putting up with it. I sympathize with women in my parent's generation who probably grew up with strict gender roles. But the…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/20 04:21 PM
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I would guess most of that 72% are in relationships and having sex somewhat regularly
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/20 04:12 PM
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It's only 28% iirc which means the majority (72%) are having sex
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/20 03:46 PM
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Sexlessness. Sex isn't a need. I dgaf if some small percent of men can't obtain it Alimony, divorce rape, etc. The men who complain about these are also the same men who say they only care about women's looks. Wow you mean marrying the hottest girl you can get without any regard to whether she's a stable life partner may lead to bad outcomes?? Child support. Wear condoms and don't fuck trashy or crazy women.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/20 02:49 PM
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You really think a billionaire needs to “keep up appearances”? Yes. Appearances are very important to the wealthy, and certainly far more than they are to average people. They run in social circles that have stricter "rules" then what a normal person's would. Rich people do immoral, shady shit all the time. For a decent portion that's how they got rich in the first place. Cheating on their wives is probably one of the most benign things these guys do. Hell the wives may even know and be ok with …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/20 04:42 AM
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They could be cheating on their wives with younger women. If Epstein taught us anything it's the rich are up to more nefarious things than you realize. Having a stable marriage and family is a status marker. Just because they stay married to keep up appearances doesn't mean they still love their wives or aren't getting side action.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/20 04:26 AM
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I'm a married woman. And "settling" is not the same as "settling down". If someone is settling it's because they can't do better regardless of how they want to justify it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/20 01:45 AM
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This something super hot women do all the time, party in college then get married right after college or during their first "adult" job then they start having babies Are they settling for betas though or are they marrying the same guys they were hooking up with in college? Because ime it's the latter, which isn't the same thing as OP's scenario
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/20 10:20 PM
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From an RP perspective it's still bad since he's still being used for his resources and she likely isn't as attracted to him as her AFs.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/20 09:13 PM
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Well everyone already said prone & missionary which are my first two favorites. I'll also add "from behind while pushed against a wall". Idk if there's a name for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/20 01:49 AM
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Sure, but I don't think this is a very common scenario.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/20 03:49 PM
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It's not the age of having kids I have an issue with. It's people who get married, have kids, then immediately divorce. It's a massive red flag they're shitty, impulsive decision makers. This is more likely to happen when you're young--the 5yr rate of divorce for those married 20-25 is 60% vs. 25% after. OP's question isn't "when should you have kids?" it's "would you date a single dad?". And my answer is no because men who have already gone through the marriage/kids/divorce cycle by their late …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/20 02:41 PM
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Where did I say that? If you get married in your late 20s and start having kids shortly after you can have several by 35. That's what almost everyone I know did.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/20 02:15 PM
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Nope. I think people who have children out of wedlock or who are already married and divorced by my age (late 20s) are idiots. Plus I don't want to deal with his ex. (I know there are guys who are single dads because their spouse died but this is probably the minority).
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/20 06:13 AM
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Taking someone on a date isn't "acting like a boyfriend" lmfao. Even my former FWB would take me on dates. You are very naive if you think being asked out = interested in commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/20 05:36 AM
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I just figure it out myself with some social media stalking lol
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/20 04:25 AM
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Lol it's in reference to now deleted post from like a month ago
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/20 12:32 AM
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I've never had a guy show me pics of his exes. That's just weird.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/20 09:14 PM
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Women in the real world are more likely to be looking for serious relationships and have a bunch of requirements you didn't meet. Women in college/grad school are more likely to be ok with casual or temporary relationships and don't have many requirements beyond "be hot" and "big dick energy". It sounds like you have a fuckboy vibe.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/20 09:05 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/20 08:59 PM
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It's more like women can hook up with men of any level, so they try to go as high as possible. Whereas men can only hook up below their level.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/20 08:35 PM
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Isn't this age/class/culture dependent? I don't know any guys my age (late 20s) who would date single moms. But I run among urban educated white collar professionals where having children out of wedlock is the exception not the norm. The answers would be different if you asked divorced 40+ yo men with their own children or men living in low income areas where young single moms are everywhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/20 04:51 PM
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For me casual = non romantically exclusive, serious = exclusive (sexually and romantically). As two other people said I don't see the point of having a bf/gf if it's not long term and serious. If a relationship has an expiration date then at most I'll be sexually exclusive, but I will definitely still be dating other men on the side.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/20 04:44 PM
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I didn't downvote you and I'm also not the person who had the story about the bf 🤷‍♀️ if a girlfriend is starting to become detached and bitchy and more distant, then more active dread is absolutely appropriate Disagree. If your gf is being a bitch for no reason just leave.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/20 04:10 PM
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There's no correct way to apply active dread in a relationship. It just makes you look immature and stupid. Dread game in an LTR should all be passive.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/20 11:55 PM
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It's not even that. Men just don't straight up care* about N count as long as a woman appears to be good wifey material. I've never been asked my N count by any guy I dated, including my husband. Neither have most of my female friends. All of us are pretty open about our dating history so it's not like were hiding it either. *Unless it's significantly higher than the guys i.e. a woman with N 50+ dating a guy with N 3. But these types of couples are pretty rare ime.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/20 11:49 PM
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I forgot who said it (I think kandyapplez?) but it's not her actual N count that matters, it's what her N count appears to be. A woman with a count of 50+ who dresses like a 1950s housewife and has a pleasant personality is far more likely to be wifed than a woman with tattoos and short hair who only has a count of 3. In fact I have multiple friends who were party sluts in college but "cleaned up" once they got out into the real world and have had no problem attracting HVMs for relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/20 06:25 PM
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No one cares about brands outside a minority of people into fashion.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/20 06:16 PM
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Flirting openly with other women doesn't demonstrate higher value, it demonstrates you're bad relationship material. A person would have to have really low self worth to put up with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/20 05:54 PM
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the "dread game" thing where he would openly flirt with others in front of me and really talked about working out Does this ever work? I feel like any woman who isn't insecure would easily see through this.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/20 04:46 PM
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I agree men who are doing a bunch of cold approaches are rare. But a guy who asks out a girl he sees in class everyday or met through friends or something similar is common. That's what I mean when I say OP should be letting men ask her out.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/20 03:50 AM
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The majority of men have relationships which means the majority are asking women out. Reddit is just overrepresented by weirdo antisocial introverts. Adult men who are able to ask out women they're interested in are the norm.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/20 03:07 AM
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Where did I say she should accept ANY date proposal? Obviously there's other vetting that goes on. But she will shouldn't be the one doing the asking out.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/20 08:45 PM
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Lol that's not what the 80/20 rule is. And in any case you're straight up wrong. The only men who don't ask women out are: a) Those who are so attractive they have women falling over themselves to date them (top 5%) b) incels, NEETs and other undersocialized weirdos on the internet (bottom 10%) Irl all the 85% of men in the middle are asking women out if they want a gf. I also can't think of a single LTR couple I know where the guy didn't make the first move.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/20 08:01 PM
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The vast majority of men pursue women they are into. Asking a girl out doesn't mean you're more confident than other men, it means you're a normal well socialized dude.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/20 07:52 PM
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Too much scruff and hair everywhere and male o faces are so bad. That's EXACTLY why I don't like gay porn. Like, I'm attracted to scruffy masculine dudes irl. I wouldn't even mind if my scruffy masculine SO happened to get it on with other scruffy masculine men before me met. But something about actually watching two guys pound each other is just...eww.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/20 06:08 PM
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Lol I'm the exact opposite. I'm fine with and have previously dated bi men but gay porn grosses me out.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/20 05:50 PM
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i usually ask if they want to go on a date or something so maybe i shouldn’t do that anymore?? There's your problem. A man who is into you will ask you out on a date. If you're asking men out you're more likely to encounter guys who just say yes because they think you're going to sleep with them. If you're looking for LTR minded men focus on meetings guys at work, class, or through friends. Build rapport, flirt, let them know you're single and interested. But make sure they're always the one tak…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/20 05:12 PM
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i dont want to change my morals to allow sex on the first date (i j dont want casual sex) but it seems once i say no to this, they loose all interest in meeting up w me again. It sounds like you're going for men who have lots of options and don't find you interesting/attractive enough to continue seeing if there's no sex involved. How are you meeting these guys? Do you find yourself always going for the same type? It has nothing to do with their age. The majority of men and women I know had an L…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/20 05:04 PM
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None of my fat friends have a problem getting boyfriends but the guys they date aren't lookers either. They're pretty average looking dudes and most are overweight themselves. Idk where you live that there's a bunch of fit dudes dating fat women. Most couples I see irl are pretty looksmatched.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/20 09:27 PM
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She likely still has tens to hundreds of options, especially if she's attractive. OP is way overestimating how much slutting around limits most women's options.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/20 05:55 PM
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Or she could settle down with a guy who also slept around from 18 - 22. Why do men on PPD think there's some epidemic or sluts settling down with beta nerds? The majority of men and women end up with people who have had similar life experiences
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/20 05:50 PM
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I mean TRP recognizes that they're extreme cases. That's where the whole 80/20 thing comes in. But that doesn't stop men from being salty that they're not part of the 20%
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/20 06:50 PM
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I'm going to preface by saying I don't believe in AF/BB the way most TRPers describe it. Ime a lot of men have alpha traits in their teens/20s but get beta-fied as they get older and settle down. That being said I'm not sure how your example invalidates AF/BB. A BB isn't always a man that women are repulsed by. It's simply a man where the woman needs other conditions in order to be sexually into him--emotional connection, stability, commitment etc. Whereas an AF can inspire lust from the first m…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/20 06:17 PM
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How so? I don't see them being sought after any more than good looking women around the same age
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/20 05:59 PM
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All of those men (except Keanu Reeves I think) have had plastic surgery and Botox
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/20 05:41 PM
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Not me
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/20 10:20 PM
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I mean they're bad if you're religious or generally conservative but I generally don't interact with people like that so their preferences don't affect me irl
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/20 10:18 PM
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I mean politically
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/20 10:14 PM
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I think women with these traits are lower inhibition and more likely to be progressive. That's about it. I'm 27
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/20 10:12 PM
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I had a bright purple pixie cut when I met my husband. Now I have boob length dark blonde hair. Bright hair and tattoos are two things I've only seen men on Reddit get anal about. Most men I've met irl don't care.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/20 10:07 PM
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About the same. We're still working 8 - 9hrs/day (both software engs) so being home all the time hasn't changed much about our actual free time.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/20 10:03 PM
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This isn't really a gendered thing it's more of a "people who don't have dating success" thing. I know I don't fit a lot of men's preferences but it doesn't bother me since it hasn't prevented me from successfully dating irl. My male friends who have/had girlfriends don't seem to be offended by other women's preferences either, even if they aren't conventionally attractive (short, ethnic, etc). The female equivalent of OP's scenario would be like...a "health at every size" type woman who gets of…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/20 09:53 PM
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So my work laptop broke yesterday and it takes about a week for IT to ship me a new one. Guess I'm on impromptu vacation now. Too bad everything is fucking closed.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/20 05:26 PM
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The fertility rate doesn't drop until you get past 35 and even then it's pretty minor. The real issue with having kids later is your body not being able to handle it. Also I'm not sure why you think it is common for women to wait until 30+ to get married. The overall median age of marriage for women is 27, and for women with college degrees it's 29. And according to this link women have their first kid at either ~24 (for not college educated) or ~30 (for college educated). Either way there isn't…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/20 01:46 AM
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Women still have a reasonable chance of having a child between 30 - 35, and the majority of women who are still single past 35 are childfree.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/20 12:10 AM
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No. Where in my comment was I replying to anything other than what OP said?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/20 12:05 AM
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Except that's not what OP said
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/20 10:52 PM
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Apparently men are allowed to lie about their intentions but women aren't allowed to be disappointed when they lie 🙄
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/20 09:38 PM
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I think for US statistics "single mom" is defined as any woman raising a child while unmarried, regardless of whether the father is involved. This includes divorced women or women with cohabitating partners. When people on PPD/TRP say "single mom" they're probably specifically referring to women trashy women in their 20s raising a child on their own.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/20 09:29 PM
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Once again, unless you can actually give me data to back up your claims, your anecdotes are meaningless. And here's the actual census data--all the way up to 2019--showing the rising median age of marriage: https://www.census.gov/data/tables/time-series/demo/families/marital.html It's hilarious that you claim I live in a bubble when I have real data whereas you have nothing but random stories.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/20 08:54 PM
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It's not social science it's literally just census data. I'm just going to assume you're a troll and stop replying because your arguments don't even make sense anymore
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/20 08:02 PM
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I can't take you seriously if your response to statistics is "well that's not what I see". By that logic I can claim most people in the US have 4 year degrees because most of my friends do, even though data shows otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/20 05:55 PM
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Do you have statistics to back any of that up?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/20 04:33 PM
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You can analyze WHY the average age of marriage is rising but that doesn't change the fact that it is. Once again, you're just reaching.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/20 04:12 PM
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Lmfao no they haven't. The age of marriage has been rising for years. You're just reaching now.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/20 02:22 PM
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She's below average imo. At least compared to women I see every day.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/20 07:53 PM
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I haven't watched anything with her in it and still think she objectively a 4/10. I don't think that rating would change even if she had a pleasant personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/20 05:25 PM
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Amy Schumer. She's unattractive even with weight loss and makeup.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/20 05:14 PM
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One of my friends is dating a 42yo who could legitimately pass for his early 30s. White too. But you're right, 99% of people who claim to "look younger than they are" actually look their age. Reminds me of all the 30+ yos on r/SkincareAddiction who claim they regularly get mistaken for college-age kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/20 05:03 PM
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I'm getting wet just reading this comment 😍
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/20 04:50 PM
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Religious & generally conservative women absolutely care about a man's body count. This is just male hamstering to think they don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/20 01:39 AM
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The average age of marriage for college educated people is 31: https://ifstudies.org/blog/early-marriage-has-fallen-especially-among-those-without-a-college-degree Additionally, "In 2016, only 23.5% of 25-year-olds have been married..." And this data is from 4 years ago, the average is probably higher now. Unless you're also claiming that people are dating 6+ years before marriage you're straight up wrong. Once again, there are a significant number of white collar professionals in urban areas wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/20 04:56 PM
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Whatever you want to believe
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/20 04:31 PM
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We're going to agree to disagree because that has not been my experience at all
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/20 04:23 PM
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It's realistic if you're a very religious "no sex before marriage" man who gets married by your early 20s to a girl you met at church. It's not realistic for some 35yo terp who thinks there's 18 - 21yo virginal beauties waiting for his dick. The problem isn't their desire for a young virgin wife it's the fact they don't realize women who fit those requires also require the same of the men they marry.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/20 04:21 PM
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I may work in tech but doesn't mean my friends do. I know plenty of couples with non-tech, middle class jobs that fit the above description. I have a friend who was 25 and met her 30yo bf when they were both in graduate school. I have another friend who is 28 and getting married to her 34yo husband this year--they met as dance instructors in the same studio two years ago. Hell I even know two couples where the genders are reversed--my husband's brother and his gf were 24 & 28, respectively, when…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/20 04:14 PM
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Lol no it isn't. No one would bat an eye at a 5 - 7 age difference for someone past 25. This is some weird Reddit prudishness that doesn't happen irl.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/20 03:50 PM
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But men in their early 30s aren't dating women in their early 30s. They're dating women who are 25 - 29. And there plenty of "wife material" single women at that age
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/20 03:24 PM
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It is based off my experience 🤷 At least for men living in major urban areas. If you're in a small town where everyone is paired off by 25 then maybe not
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/20 03:16 PM
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No, he's right. Early 30s is the most desirable time for men. They're young enough that they haven't "aged out" of being attractive to women in their 20s but old enough to have a lot of desirable relationship i.e. maturity, stability, etc. Have you seriously not seen men in the 30 - 33 range date women in their mid-late 20s? That's a very common age difference for couples. You're right at 35+ it starts getting into creepy old man territory though for women in their 20s though.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/20 02:30 PM
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Under Blanchard's model, yes. One of his positions was that AGP transwomen didn't psychologically benefit from transition because they were fetishists and did not have gender dysphoria.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/20 10:04 PM
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They're not even bisexual. AGP = autogynephilia. It's from an old school idea that there are basically two types of transwomen. To quote Wikipedia: "Blanchard categorized trans women into two groups: "homosexual transsexuals" who are attracted exclusively to men, and who seek sex reassignment surgery because they are feminine in both behavior and appearance; and "autogynephilic transsexuals" who are sexually aroused at the idea of having a female body." So Atlas is saying "real" transwomen are h…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/20 09:55 PM
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I think Atlas is talking about transwomen that are lesbians
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/20 09:49 PM
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They're all worth multi-millions. At that level of net worth I doubt their lives prior to dating a rich man were much different than they are now. I'm not saying their model gfs love them--I'm sure they're only in it for the status boost and publicity. I just don't think it's only about money.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/20 04:57 PM
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Rich men marry models and celebrities who are often equally as rich as them. They aren't looking at gold diggers from the ghetto. Bezos girlfriend is a model. Musk's second wife was an actress and his current gf is a famous musician.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/20 02:35 PM
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Nah, I've had both cheap and expensive makeup and there is a noticeable difference between the brands. Same with skin & hair care (ESPECIALLY hair color---major difference between a cheap and an expensive salon). Also I'm not talking just about makeup I'm talking about the whole package. I already mentioned skin & hair but another big one people overlook is nutrition. Nutrition has huge effects on how you look and age. Poor people often do not have access to fresh, high quality foods the way mid…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/20 01:39 AM
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Women are hypergamous so they always want to marry up. In the past having a good job and an education was enough as a man to be considered higher status than the women you were dating. But now since women also have these options it's not enough. There's a lot more pressure on men to be physically attractive as well than there was in the past. Of course this isn't all great women. For example educated, professional women over 30 actually have a much harder time finding suitable partners because t…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/20 11:13 PM
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Tinder (and OLD in general) are filled with the same people you'd meet in real life. If you live in a small town it's going overweight single moms. If you live in a middle/upper middle class urban area it's going to be educated professional people. If you live in the middle of nowhere it's going to be...idk, farmers and methheads? I've mentioned this on the sub before but I have a theory a lot of red pilled men are working class and/or don't live in metropolitan areas. Because many of their dati…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/20 10:25 PM
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Lol just go to r/Tinder and search "success", I'm not the only one. You obviously have no idea what dating as a young person in a major city is like.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/20 10:15 PM
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My friends and I are all university educated 20-somethings with white collar jobs and all of us (male and female) have used online dating at some point. My husband and I both make six figure salaries and we met on Tinder. I have several other friends who met their spouses or LTRs online. OLD isn't any different than cold approaching, except you have access to a wider variety of people. You're just proving you are very ignorant to the actual dating landscape of young people (at least young people…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/20 10:11 PM
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40% of relationships these days are started online and that number is only rising. I agree with your general premise that young women mostly date men their own age but thinking that there are no high quality people on online dating is boomer mentality. The people you meet online these days are basically the same as the people you'd meet irl. I mean the fact that you think people with high paying jobs don't have time for the internet tells me you're >50. How do you think they network and find tho…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/20 09:55 PM
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It seems we just disagree what a pump & dump is then, because I would not consider any scenario where someone is dumped shortly after sex to be a pump & dump.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/20 07:27 PM
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Idk why men on Reddit think only weirdo nerdy men grow up to be functional adults. I swear most of them must live under a rock.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/20 07:08 PM
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You've said multiple times you can be pumped and dumped after commitment. For most people "commitment" means a romantic relationship. I'm saying if a man has agreed to being in a romantic relationship with someone and has spent more than a handful of dates with them, then ending things after sex is not a pump & dump. If you became FWB with a friend and ended your relationship with them as soon as you got sex, you would STILL have pumped and dumped them even though you were never “in a romantic r…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/20 06:53 PM
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Only people who are in unnatractive can answer this question and no one's going to admit they or their SO are objectively unnatractive. That being said I've seen plenty of fat, plain faced, generally unkempt etc couples who look very happy with each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/20 06:31 PM
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I said in my very first comment that the easiest way to avoiding getting pumped and dumped is to follow FDS strategy i.e. waiting for sex. You're the one who said, quote, "none of those logical ideas would work", hence implying a guy can still P&D you after 3+ months and commitment. What defines a romantic relationship is totally different from other types of relationships. How other relationships are defined is irrelevant--you can't "pump and dump" your friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/20 06:23 PM
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A ROMANTIC relationship is when two people have agreed to be in one. Doesn't matter how many dates. A relationship is any kind of emotional attachment between two people By that definition if a guy has a crush on a girl but he only sees her as a friend they're "in a relationship" since they each have some sort of emotional attachment to each other. After two dates people will have developed some kind of relationship Lol no they haven't. Until you explicitly talk about being in a relationship it'…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/20 06:04 PM
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You absolutely can know about sexual compatibility after just one night together. Every man I've seriously dated (as an adult) was good the first time and only got better as our relationship progressed. for a relationship that’s already got any amount of emotion invested one sexual act shouldn’t determine whether or not to continue the relationship A couple months is barely a relationship. I have hair on my head that's older than that. There is nothing wrong with dumping someone for being bad at…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/20 05:39 PM
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Literally no one was talking about ONS or ghosting. You're the only person in this thread that has mentioned those two things. And first of all, you don't need a valid reason to break up with anyone, especially not someone you've only been seeing < 1 year. Second, lack of sexual compatibility/bad sex/simply not seeing a future with a person IS a valid reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/20 04:50 PM
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No it doesn't. A pump and dump is no more than a handful of dates. You can definitely dump someone you've only seen 3 - 4 times. Getting dumped after a few months is just a short term relationship. And this isn't a male only thing--plenty of women (including myself) have dumped guys after a few months because we didn't see things going anywhere. By your logic anything that doesn't become an LTR is a "pump and dump" which is frankly, just stupid. Also OP didn't say anything about ghosting, he sai…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/20 04:39 PM
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Lol the woman isn't a "victim". If she doesn't want to be pumped & dumped then she shouldn't sleep with someone until commitment. While what the guy does is shitty let's not pretend he's the only one at fault here. Women who don't want to be P&D'ed should follow FDS/"The Rules" and not sleep with guys they aren't exclusive with. Women who prefer having sex immediately need to be ok with the fact that many of the men they sleep with aren't going to want relationships. You can't have both.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/20 04:24 PM
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Wealthier women are on average more attractive because they can afford better self care (hair, skin, etc), are more likely to have high quality diets and exercise regularly, and overall live more stress free lives. Additionally what is considered attractive varies by class, and wealthy women are more likely to have the correct attractiveness markers to attract UMC men than working class women. A man is going to notice an 8/10 blonde with a banging body regardless of what her job is. It's just th…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/20 04:07 PM
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High quality, in demand artists usually have pretty long waiting lists. Also what's up with people getting butthole tattoos? You can hide it at work
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/20 01:40 AM
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It's so worth it in the end!
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/20 11:49 PM
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I said it's not impulsive EDIT: But you're right inhibition isn't the right word. Someone can have low inhibitions but not be impulsive
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/20 11:44 PM
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One of my tattoos I literally had to wait a year between the consult and the appointment because my artist was so booked. I'd say that's the opposite of impulsive lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/20 11:19 PM
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Don't care either way as long as they a) aren't face or neck tatoos and b) aren't especially trashy. I have multiple tattoos, my husband has none.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/20 11:01 PM
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Well, I'm thinking more how it's expressed. I'd definitely feel jealous if my husband was being hit on left and right but I also wouldn't do anything about it because I trust him to turn women down on his own.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/20 05:52 PM
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It would depend on the person. I'm very very anti-drama and jealousy is a big red flag for drama. Also I would be suspicious of a guy who flirts with women unless I'm mate guarding him--it would make me wonder what he's up to when I'm not there. But maybe it works for some people.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/20 05:45 PM
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It's "ok" in that I don't mind it but it's not something that I like or that I seek out in men.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/20 05:41 PM
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I wouldn't say that's the opposite. The opposite of a momma's boy is a guy who abuses his parents/mom. That's a red flag for obvious reasons. Being low/no contact with toxic family members is fine and a healthy way of dealing with things.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/20 05:39 PM
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I don't do mate guarding. If my SO is being hit on by another woman I expect him to be able to shut her down himself. Any guy who wants me to "mate guard" him to prevent him from flirting with other women is not good relationship material. I don't care if my SO mate guards me unless he's doing it to the point of being annoying. Like, putting his arm around me while I'm talking to a guy is fine. Actively preventing me from having male friends is not.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/20 05:30 PM
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I've never asked a guy about his relationship with his mother nor have ever heard a woman ask this. However it's a red flag (for both genders) if a person is overly dependent on their family and can't set boundaries. It means not only do they have a toxic dynamic but it's likely in an LTR their family is going to try to intrude on your lives. A common pop culture manifestation of this is the nosy MIL who still controls her son.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/20 04:59 PM
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Wtf are you talking about women are made fun of for having ridiculous standards all the time. There's an entire sub r/whereareallthegoodmen dedicated to ridiculing low value women with absurd standards. r/Tinder regularly makes fun of 5' obese women who demand only 6'2 Chads. Then there's plenty of irl examples too. Idk if you watch the show "90 day fiance" but almost every season there's some fat, ugly old American woman trying to "date" a hot foreigner. It's always extremely obvious the guy is…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/20 04:32 PM
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Do you seriously think there are no 5'6" guys in relationships? My last ex was 5'7". I know plenty of below average height men with gfs & wives. Also leg lengthening surgery can only add up to 2". I really doubt going from 5'6" to 5'8" is going to add any significant amount of advantage.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/20 12:00 AM
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I'm not saying all women want 6'2" square jawed Chads--there are plenty of average men in relationships. My point is that a woman's taste isn't going to change significantly based on her age so your argument that getting married young will make her sexually attracted to her husband doesn't hold up.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/20 05:24 PM
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Only if she was attracted to the 5'9" guy to begin with. If she isn't then it's not going to matter if she met him when she was young. She'll just end up dead bedrooming and resenting him. I don't get why you don't seem to understand that women's physical tastes in men don't change much as they get older.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/20 05:09 PM
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No. I just feel disgust. A man that steps outside his relationship is an immediate turn off for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/20 05:00 PM
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Right? Women aren't going to be sexually attracted to their 5'3" dad bod husband just because they met and married at 18 instead of 28.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/20 04:53 PM
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First of all that's completely false. I tried going out with guys I wasn't initially attracted to in my teens and it never manifested regardless of what their personality was. Attraction isn't negotiable. Also most people already meet their SOs when they're young. The average age of marriage for women is 27, so if we assume they date for a few years before that that means women are meeting their future husbands in their early/mid twenties.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/20 04:40 PM
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God no. I'd rather be single than stuck in a marriage where at best I'm not attracted to him and at worst I completely resent him. Not to mention if my husband turned out to be a piece of shit I'd have very little opportunity to get out of the marriage since I wouldn't have my own education or finances. The current society allowed me to find a husband that I'm not only sexually attracted to but also is good long term material. It also let get an education and high paying job so we can live a UMC…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/20 04:30 PM
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As I've said before, AF/BB is just the same guy at different stages in life. It is completely normal for guys that may have been fuckboys as teens/early 20s to grow up and be good husband material in their late 20s/30s. The idea that only STEMLord 4.0 GPA betas can become responsible adults is just some weird fantasy held by losers.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/20 03:45 PM
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I wouldn't care as long as he wasn't obsessed with his appearance or did something that could permanently fuck up his life. Of course it would have to look natural too. The only one of your examples I'm currently not ok with is leg lengthening. Iirc leg lengthening for cosmetic purposes isn't done in any western countries and anyone that goes to a developing nation for cheap/experimental surgery is an idiot.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/20 03:27 PM
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On swipe apps you have to match with the guy before you can talk to him. And most profiles are pretty sparse. Your strategy would work on maybe OkC but not somewhere like Tinder or Bumble which is 99% appearance based.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/20 04:38 PM
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Because OLD isn't natural. When women meet men irl they don't judge him just based on looks. They notice other things as well--his presence, personality, voice, smell etc etc. Swipe apps take away all of the above. They create an artificial environment where women are deciding on men based on a single factor (physical appearance) and of course they hone in on only the top % in this aspect. This creates a large group of men who would have otherwise done fine in real life being passed over. Now I …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/20 04:05 PM
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Yes it does. My experience is the same--my husband was a pot smoking slacker in his early 20s while I was going to frat parties and getting black out drunk. Now we both own a house and have steady white collar jobs. What Orange_Paisley is talking about is absolutely the norm for most middle class and up people.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/20 03:45 PM
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I think men who complain about AF/BB are mostly pretty young (<25). They don't understand a lot of their "alpha" friends will become domesticated as they age, get married, have kids, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/20 03:40 PM
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Lol it's always some girl in her early-mid 20s having to pay for her bf who's 10+ years older. Idk how your self esteem gets that low.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/20 01:34 AM
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Yep. A Becky buxx is basically the girl who has two jobs to pay for all her and her bf/husband's shit while he spends 10 hours a day on porn and video games. While I don't personally know any dynamics like this it definitely happens. Just see any number of r/relationships posts. The difference as others have stated though is it's usually the woman who gets fed up an leaves.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/20 06:48 PM
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I absolutely do not believe it's just a sex thing. Otherwise you could have sex with any number of other men.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/20 06:01 PM
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No it isn't. Most people I know don't have sex with their exes right after they break up, at most they stay platonic friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/20 06:00 PM
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Continuing to have sex with an ex after a break up is a massive red flag. There's literally no good reason to do it unless you still have feelings for him. I would run away if a guy I was interested in told me he still has sex with his ex gf.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/20 05:10 PM
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The majority of women aren't able to comparmentalize their feelings like that. Even on PPD when this question comes up most female posters have said they don't like casual sex. One of the core tenets of FDS--the three month rule--came from the fact women tend to develop feelings for men they sleep with. If you're a woman who's able to separate sex and romantic emotions then good for you! But most women who have casual sex do in the hopes of eventually getting commitment from the guy. The whole "…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/20 04:53 PM
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I mean it depends on age. If by "single parent" you mean "40+ yo divorcee" then yeah, that mostly date each other. If you mean "23yo who got knocked up by her high school bf" then no, a lot of them want to date men without kids. Part of that is also the make up of the dating pool. At 40+ it would near impossible to find another single person who doesn't have kids, whereas in your 20s it's the opposite.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/20 03:53 PM
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Right? I don't think I've ever heard anyone irl say "hobbies" are an important factor in determining their SO
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/20 03:11 PM
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You think men spend thousands of dollars on video games, performance enhancing drugs, random electronic gadgets, etc to impress women? Men aren't machines who can subsist only food water and shelter. They like luxuries just as much as women. Men would absolutely continue to work to be able to afford personal hobbies even without women.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/20 05:25 AM
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I'm actually considering it now tbh
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/20 05:15 AM
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Am I the only person here who doesn't give a shit about my SO's hobbies? As long as he gets out of the house regularly and isn't murdering children or puppies I don't care how much of a basic bitch he is.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/20 04:55 AM
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Yep. The most blue pilled men are the ones who never witnessed female nature when they were kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/20 03:48 AM
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I'm not sure how true that is. I'd be interested to see how productivity has tracked over generations. I'd say most people work because it's necessary to survive in a capitalist society not because of anything to do with the opposite gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/20 02:54 AM
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You're missing my point. You said if most men knew what it took to get women they'd quit their jobs and start lifting. I'm saying most men DO know what it takes to get women, they just don't care enough to do it. Most people are lazy and lack dedication. For men that means it's easier to jack off to porn and numb their mind with video games.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/20 02:52 AM
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You know there's people who actually, like, enjoy their career right? I don't understand this weird incel logic where men only work to get pussy. In fact I'd say it's the opposite--the majority of adult men know exactly the monkey dance they need to do to get casual sex from women, they just don't care enough to do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/20 02:30 AM
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I mean close as in being friends with them. Not everyone is friends with their cousins, sisters, etc The reason I'm curious is because I've noticed men who had female friends when they were young (and I mean actual friends, not just some girl they beta orbit) are less likely to fall into the pussy worship.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/20 02:26 AM
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I'd be curious to know how many of those men had close female friends and/or relatives
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/20 02:18 AM
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Pretty much. Men with high N counts are just the most willing to dumpster dive.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/20 01:58 AM
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America is truly a third world country 😔
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/20 01:51 AM
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My friend was telling me there's Japanese bidets that will sing to cover up the sound of your farts
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/20 01:38 AM
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Same here! I had a virus a few weeks ago that developed into pnemonia, but all the normal tests for flu came back negative. I'm honestly starting to suspect it was coronavirus. I'm not too worried since I'm young and healthy and don't hang around any at risk people. I'm actually more concerned about the economic impact, especially on my friends in the service industry.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/20 12:44 AM
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People who bleach their hair or get a new style also want people to look at it too. Yet I doubt you'd say a brunette woman who decided to go blonde or cut her hair from waist to shoulder length is "attention seeking". And the majority of tattoos are covered by normal clothing--we're not talking about face and neck tatoos here. Do you think a guy who spends a lot of time at the gym to get big is attention seeking?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/20 12:41 AM
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The "have sex quickly" thing only works for women who either a) don't care about their N counts or b) are good at quickly vetting the guys they sleep with. For women who want to keep low N counts and also aren't great at vetting it makes sense to impose a rule. (I say this as someone who slept with my H on the second date)
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/20 12:33 AM
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The TP thing is making me wish I bought that bidet I was looking at months ago on Amazon
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/20 12:28 AM
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how do you know that's what they're trying to do? sounds like male solipsism to me tbh
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/20 12:18 AM
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Well it depends on age location. I live in a big West coast American city and run among liberal UMC types in their 20s & 30s if that gives you an idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/20 12:14 AM
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Not really. Average partner count iirc is 6 - 7. Anecdotally most of my friends are even lower, and we're all atheist/agnostic progressives. Sorry but it's hard for me to believe that anyone who thinks color hair piercings tattoos = slut isn't either over 50 or some small town Christian/Muslim/etc
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/20 12:12 AM
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Piercings and tattoos are about as rebellious these days as wearing shorts. Unless you mean like...face tattoos. Are you a boomer or extremely religious?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/20 12:04 AM
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which is... basically anything that makes people notice you
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/20 11:53 PM
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by that logic anything anyone does that gets praise/notice/scorn from other people is attention seeking
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/20 09:35 PM
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Nah I know lots of women with tats and interesting hair that have low N counts. The weirdness has more to do with them being involved in the art scene than their sexual history. Maybe in some podunk small town a woman with tattoos piercings and blue hair would be a red flag but certainly not if you live in a major city
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/20 06:29 PM
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Yep, sounds like it's just a difference in social circles.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/20 05:58 PM
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That hasn't been the dating experience of my single female friends once we were all out of college 🤷
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/20 05:50 PM
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I would consider having sex with someone before exclusivity to be "casually hooking up" even if you're evaluating them for a relationship. And I agree with the other poster--most relationships I've seen outside of school started with casually hooking up.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/20 05:44 PM
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Isn't going on dates until you're exclusive basically the same as casually hooking up until it becomes a relationship? Unless you're saying women don't have sex before exclusivity, which has definitely not been my experience
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/20 05:38 PM
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From men being idiots who are easily fooled. In college I had a lip piercing, stretched ears, multi colored hair and was a massive stoner. I also spent most of it in an LTR and graduated with an N count of 2 (first one being my hs boyfriend). Now I have long brown hair, wear dresses or skirts 95% of the time, took out most of my piercings (except nose and earlobes), and almost never smoke pot. My N count has risen to 4. I also know plenty of "normal" looking non-tatted, non-pierced natural hair …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/20 05:25 PM
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I don't want to say exact but let's say mid-lower six figures . High paying to me is currently or with the potential to make $100k. Honestly who cares if people think it's shallow? I have plenty of preferences people would think were shallow (including the above) but I'm not going to lower my standards if I can get relationships with guys who meet them.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/20 02:28 PM
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My SO and I both grew up MC but our combined incomes put us well into the UMC. I don't explicitly care about class but I've never dated a guy who doesn't have at least a bachelor's degree and a high paying job.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/20 05:49 AM
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I'm wildly curious to know what this is before it keeps getting deleted
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/20 02:06 PM
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Depends on the type of makeup. If it's "natural" or "no-makeup makeup" then it's 100% to look good for other people. I won't say it's necessarily to impress men--women in committed relationships will still wear makeup. Plus women are often treated better in general when they have some makeup on. But natural makeup is definitely not a form of "self expression" and it's pretty dumb to claim otherwise. If she's wearing multicolored eyeshadow and blue lipstick? Then yeah, that's a combo of self expr…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/20 04:56 PM
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Hello fellow cool millenial. As we both know it's a reference to Kendrick Lamar's album "good kid m.A.A.d city"
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/20 08:14 PM
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I don't have a CMV I just wanted to say I love OP's flair
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/20 07:52 PM
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27F and no I would not care. I'm not one of those women who does the stupid "bUt wHaT aRe We" shit though. I've always been pretty direct if I want to be exclusive with a guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/20 07:48 PM
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I'm glad they gave us a small, easy to handle dog for our first foster. Definitely hoping for a bigger one next time though!
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/20 06:16 PM
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Ok fair enough. I actually mostly agree with you. My point is mainly that significant class differences in married couples is rare. I can imagine upper middle class white collar men marrying middle class white collar women, but I would scoff at anyone claiming the same men would marry high school dropouts in large numbers. My definition of UMC is a combo of income and upbringing. So like you said with your prosecutor example, their kids would likely be UMC but the parents might be of any backgro…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/20 05:50 PM
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Are public prosecutors UMC? In my head that's a largely middle class profession marrying a largely blue collar profession which isn't a huge jump in class.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/20 05:14 PM
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Interesting, might be location dependent too. I just know I don't hear my irl male friends complain about too many single mothers the way men on Reddit do.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/20 05:00 PM
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Same as the top comment in the other thread--as long as it's not an extreme (i.e. > 100 or a virgin at 25) then I don't care. However I have never actually asked a man their N count. I assume anyone of either gender whose N count is in the extremes probably has a lot of other off putting personality traits.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/20 04:22 PM
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According to this 40% of millenials have a bachelor's degree so I think graduating with a bachelor's is still a distinguisher between the LMC and MC/UMC. Between MC & UMC it comes down to the college you went to. Most rich kids I know went to private schools or very highly ranked public ones (i.e. Berkeley).
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/20 03:52 PM
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I think it's mostly women who worked in their 20s but quit to be SAHMs. I agree with your aunt, I think "law associate who quit to be a SAHM" is more common among UMC/UC couples than "liberal arts coffee baristas".
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/20 03:42 PM
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Idk I grew up in a small city/suburb and legitimately don't know a single person who grew who ended up a single mother in their 20s. I have a very hard time believing this isn't a rarity among the wealthy.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/20 02:17 PM
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I mean I agree middle and upper middle class aren't that far apart and interact regularly. I grew up kind of on the edge of MC/UMC and know people from both worlds. I'm mostly disputing the claim that (some men on here make) that a lawyer will marry Walmart cashier if she's hot enough. I think "college educated profession" is still a cutoff for marriage with wealthier people.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/20 02:15 PM
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I mean I agree with you it's stupid for a guy to marry a woman just because she's hot without considering her education and earning potential.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/20 12:07 AM
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Nope I'm from the US. And I believe you can traverse income levels but I disagree you can traverse social classes. A person who grew up working class will never fit into upper class society the same way as someone who was born into it. EDIT: Of course I define social class by upbringing, values and lifestyle. If you're defining purely by income then yes obviously people can move up in class.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/20 11:33 PM
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No if my SO thought about killing me but never did it I would not care. And the only one engaging in mental gymnastics here is you.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/20 10:50 PM
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I didn't answer the question because it's not a thing that happens. There aren't people who think about murdering their spouses on a regular basis and don't act on it. I'm not contradicting myself because your scenario isn't realistic. If your only analogy is a hyperbole, then you're just proving my point because you can't think of any realistic scenario that would disprove my stance you shouldn't judge people on their thoughts. I'm sorry but your definition of love is one dimensional, shallow a…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/20 10:43 PM
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Eh idk about that. Men of all classes cheat.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/20 10:34 PM
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That's a stupid analogy because no one regularly thinks about killing people but doesn't act on it
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/20 10:33 PM
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I don't know any lawyers or doctors who MARRIED uneducated women either. Remember we're talking who men marry here not who they date or fuck.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/20 09:56 PM
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Yes. Ellison's children would certainly be upper class though. I'm also going to point out he's like a minority of a minority. Most lower class people don't end up multi-millionaires. When PPD men argue that "UMC men marry/date lower class women" they're probably thinking of the guy who grew up middle class, went to a state school and is now making $150k in engineering. But a guy like that is still going to hold middle class values. His attitude isn't the same as say, a guy who grew up with two …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/20 09:09 PM
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Trust me, I interact with people from a larger set of backgrounds than you. You realize that people who didn't grow up with very wealthy parents aren't UMC right? You're proving my point that you don't interact with a wide variety of people. You are describing variability in values among people of the same class, not UMC vs LMC. No I'm not. Your class is based on how you grew up not your current wealth. A guy who grew up LMC will always hold LMC values regardless of how much wealth he has as an …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/20 08:49 PM
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My fiance and I got approved to be dog fosters and today we're getting our first dog! He's an itty bitty 10lb terrier. Hopefully our cats won't terrorize him too much.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/20 08:42 PM
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Yeah as kandyapplez said the fact that they complain about obesity and single mothers is a dead giveaway. Those aren't things in actual UMC circles.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/20 08:15 PM
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No I'm 27. And if you don't see the differences in attitudes you must not interact with a large variety of people. I have friends who grew up nearly homeless and friends who grew up with multi-millionaire parents. The biggest difference in attitude is obviously towards money. My friends who grew who poor are (understandably) extremely neurotic about saving and are way way more conservative with any investments they make. Whereas the people I know who grew up wealthy are more willing to take risk…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/20 07:59 PM
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I work with engineers making >$500k/yr and every single one of them is married to a college educated woman, even the ones with SAHWs. I know men date a variety of women but I have yet to meet a guy who MARRIED significantly below him in class. I don't think it's even that these guys are concerned about her background. It's more like, as the OP said, the difference in attitudes/personalities/values of the different classes is so big it can be hard to make an LTR work. There's also the fact that t…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/20 07:17 PM
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PPD is filled with me who grew up MC or LMC but are making six figure salaries adults. So they think that because they are willing to marry MC/LMC women that UMC guys are too. They have no idea how men who GREW UP WEALTHY behave. They don't understand is class is based on how you were raised not your salary as an adult.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/20 07:03 PM
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Because as I said before love to me isn't about what people THINK it's about what they DO. It is legitimately insane to me to judge a person by their thoughts and not by how they actually behave. I don't understand how you can maintain any relationship--much less a romantic one--if you are constantly concerned with what they are thinking (although I'm going to guess you've never been in an LTR before).
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/20 06:59 PM
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You've never read George Orwell's 1984? Thoughtpolice = "a group of people who aim or are seen as aiming to suppress ideas that deviate from the way of thinking that they believe to be correct" Basically the idea the of getting worked up over someone's thoughts and not their actual actions is insane to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/20 06:49 PM
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Love to me is a verb. If he is faithful, honest and treats me well then that is love. I judge people on their actions not their intentions. I don't understand this neurotic need to thoughtpolice your SO.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/20 06:26 PM
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How is that being incapable of love? If anything the fact that men want to fuck a variety of women but will remain loyal to one is a very strong form of love. I'd rather be with the guy who chooses to stay committed to me than the guy who's only committed because he's too low testosterone to want other women.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/20 05:54 PM
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This hasn't been my experience at all. I don't know any man who grew up UMC that is seriously dating a woman without at least a bachelor's degree. Like I said they might marry nurses and teachers but they certainly aren't dating the high school drop out who is waitressing.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/20 07:18 AM
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I think we need to distinguish between class and income here. Men will marry down in income but they are unlikely to marry down in class. For example I know some rich engineers who are married to nurses and school teachers. However both the husband and wife came from MC or even LMC backgrounds--the guy just happened to "make it" as an adult. I've never seen someone who grew up wealthy marry someone significantly lower in class. The lawyer might be dating a starving artist but that artist probabl…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/20 12:11 AM
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Huh that is the last place I'd expect people to ask things like that
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/20 04:32 PM
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You get a tattoo and people go "what does your SO think of that?" What? I have literally never had anyone ask me what my (male) SO thinks of me getting a tattoo, cutting/dyeing my hair or any other change I've made to my body. What backwards ass place do you people live in.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/20 03:37 AM
3

Yes
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/20 11:28 PM
2

I've had sex within the first 3 dates with all my relationships
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/20 07:26 PM
2

I'm Indian (south Asian) and pretty much only attracted to dark haired, dark eyed, light skinned Indo-European guys. I've dated one blonde blue eyed Scandinavian looking guy but he was the exception. Every other guy I've been with has fit the former description. My fiance is Jewish on one side and some sort of northern/northwestern euromutt on the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/20 05:18 AM
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A "success oriented man" who still ends up middle class isn't making a large jump in status and therefore this doesn't apply to them. I'm talking about guys who go from middle class to millionaires, or from being total losers with women to being highly desired. These guys suddenly find themselves attracting hotter/younger/better quality women than the one they're currently with and to no one's surprise they end up straying.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/20 05:07 AM
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Fair enough. I'm mainly thinking of men who make a very big jump in status. For example like you said the guy who went from having no success with women to having a lot of success--this guy is more likely to trade up if he feels like he missed out. I don't think small bumps in fitness, social status or wealth have much effect.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/20 02:41 AM
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No it doesn't. Women can date men who have actual potential i.e. the 25yo in med residency or the 22yo who just got his first engineering job. In fact I'd say these guys already "made it" in the sense that they have an education and a job. When I say "struggle love" I'm talking about guys with no plans or really dumb plans that are obviously never going to work out. Even if they shape up later there's no point in a girl wasting her youth on them.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/20 02:28 AM
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If she's a ruthless strategist who succeeds in the alimony game then more power to her. However I do not think the majority of women are like this. Additionally you have no idea if your struggling SO is actually going to make it big. In reality most people fail.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/20 01:37 AM
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Well this is also running under the assumption she can get a super rich guy to commit. I think most women will end up with a middle of road beta anyway. We're talking in extremes but in realistic terms it's more like...if a woman has a choice between her jobless bf who's trying to "make it" as an actor or a decently attractive guy making $70k/yr at a steady job, obviously she's better off with the latter.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/20 01:36 AM
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Do you have a source for that? I've never heard that
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/20 01:27 AM
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I mean if she's going to get cheated on anyway it might as well be with a high status guy
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/20 01:23 AM
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Yeah obviously women have to focus on self improvement too. My point was there's really no good reason to gamble with a man that hasn't made it if you can get a man who has.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/20 01:06 AM
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Of course it was the men's choice. You think Bezos and Musk's first wives broke up with them?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/20 01:05 AM
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Yeah no shit. Men who "make it" 99% end up dumping the girl that was with them during the come up for someone younger and hotter. Struggle love is stupid. Ride or die is stupid. There is absolutely zero benefit for a woman to stick by a man who's still figuring things out. Call it hypergamy or whatever but the best strategy for a woman is to focus on guys who are already fit, social and have status. Otherwise she risks becoming a forever gf or a first wife.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/20 12:57 AM
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Sure. There are definitely some women that are into it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/20 11:49 PM
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Speaking as a petite 5'3" woman a guy /u/LotBuilder's size is intimidating. While women like being the smaller one in a relationship there's a limit where the size difference goes from hot to scary, even if the guy himself is not in any way aggressive.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/20 11:40 PM
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Touche.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/20 08:29 PM
3

Idk what that means.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/20 07:44 PM
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Except FDS tells women to wait for sex??
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/20 07:23 PM
2

The problem with what?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/20 05:14 PM
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I actually don't agree with FDS about the paying for dates thing. Ime paying for a date says nothing about a guy. I've dated men who were the definition of fuckboy but paid for everything and men who split (at least initially) but treated me like a princess while in a relationship. But in any case, it's not just the paying for dates. There's a bunch of other red flags that can point to a guy being shitty relationship material that aren't always obvious at first. That's why saying "don't date the…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/20 05:06 PM
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It's not always obvious from the first few dates that a guy is going to be like this. That's why FDS focus on very strict vetting strategies to avoid these types of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/20 04:59 PM
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Seems pretty tacky to ask a woman to split the bill. I've always offered to split and half the time the guy insists on paying anyway. But I would be immediately turned off if a guy insisted we split.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/20 10:37 PM
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Nope. Women who blame hoes/sluts/pick mes for their inability to find a man are just trying to protect their ego. There are plenty of men who will sleep around but try to lock down a girl they're really into. Every man I've dated has done his fair share of casual sex. He's just not that into you.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/20 08:19 PM
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Definitely no violent criminals. I know some women who have dated men that did petty stuff (shoplifting, drugs) or white collar crimes but I'm assuming that's not what you're thinking about when you say "criminals". Also this question is entirely class dependent. My friends are UMC white & Asian people so obviously they're not going to be dating violent felons. We don't even know anyone that like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/20 05:35 PM
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I think you made a good decision to not pursue her simply because the situation would have created a lot of drama. The fact that her marriage may have been failing is irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/20 09:00 PM
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Lol I'm not going to give you advice on cheating. That's up to your own moral compass. My point is that women don't "trade up" in LTRs simply because a better option exists. There's usually a lot of other things that have to go wrong (or the guy has to be way way waaay better than her current SO)
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/20 08:54 PM
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I think hypergamy certainly exists in dating. Women will always try to seek out the best looking, highest status guy they can get. I also definitely think in the early stages of dating men are at risk of having a girl lose interest in him rapidly if she feels she can do better. However I think the influence of hypergamy in an established relationship is overblown. First of all women can definitely love their SO and that in itself will help elevate him above other men. Second, even if you do not …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/20 08:37 PM
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It's a valid question!!
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/20 04:54 PM
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Women who "troll for sex" the way men do are an extreme minority. Even women with high N counts aren't explicitly looking for casual sex--they are just more open to it if it happens. I really doubt you're going to get the kind of answers you're looking for here.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/20 04:49 PM
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Red and engaged. My fiance is certainly my male best friend. I think for any heterosexual married couple your SO should be your closest friend of the opposite gender. It would be weird (and suspicious) if you were closer to an opposite gendered person outside your marriage. However I have female best friends as well, and the relationship dynamics I have with them are totally different from what I have with my future husband.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/20 03:53 PM
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I really really doubt that. Most people aren't talking to strangers on non-anonymous social media
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/20 11:43 PM
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...I have never heard this saying in my life. Wtf.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/20 11:00 PM
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Yes
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/20 10:59 PM
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Beckies are everywhere. The majority of women I encounter daily are probably in the 4 - 6/10 range. You just don't notice them because you're a dude, just like how women don't really notice average or unnatractive men.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/20 10:56 PM
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Yes he is objectively pretty ugly
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/20 09:48 PM
2

I don't like wearing pants period tbh. I'm in skirts & dresses 90% of the time, and the other 10% it's yoga pants or leggings.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/20 09:25 PM
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You take that back leggings as pants are a LIFESTYLE High waisted jeans are fucking weird though. Even skinny women end up looking pregnant
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/20 09:21 PM
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Choosing to look a certain way on purpose doesn't mean they know how to look good
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/20 09:18 PM
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Eh, fair enough. My point is fat badly dressed shitty haired women aren't common enough (at least among 20-something urbanites) where you're going to get a massive attractiveness boost just for being skinny and dressing nice.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/20 09:05 PM
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I really doubt that many people are meeting off FB or Reddit. Are chat rooms even a thing anymore?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/20 08:54 PM
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"Long natural hair with a fit body" describes like 95% of young women living in any major city
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/20 05:54 PM
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I mean that sounds like they don't know how to dress
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/20 05:45 PM
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I keep going back and forth with thinking he's really attractive and thinking he looks like a gorilla.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/20 05:41 PM
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Well I'm sure age is a factor too. Pretty much everyone in their 20s and 30s uses OLD so the demographics you find online aren't much different than who you'd encounter irl. At 40+ I don't know.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/20 05:36 PM
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No, I mean 40% of relationships are started online. Here (the tweet links to the actual study too): https://twitter.com/DKThomp/status/1149701645070155776?s=20 The idea that OLD is only for hookups is pretty outdated. I think you're seriously underestimating how common of a dating platform it is among young people who aren't in school anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/20 05:30 PM
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40% of couples meet online these days. And it's the exact opposite--OLD works best for attractive people (especially men) since it's almost entirely visual. This is a very boomer comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/20 05:10 PM
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Meaning if he carried himself like he was shy and low self esteem instead of confident and sexy. Adam Driver is objectively ugly but he's got this Big Dick Energy attitude that makes him weirdly appealing.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/20 05:09 PM
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As I said in another comment using celebrities as examples is stupid because being they are multimillionaires, and having access to that kind of money trumps whatever disadvantages the age difference brings. For normal people it's simply not true that just because a guy can get a girl to date him he can convince her to marry him. A lot of women will sleep with or date men they would never introduce to their families. The chance that a normal 40yo man has anything that could convince a 20-somethi…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/20 01:30 PM
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Lolno. There would definitely be negative reactions to a 40yo dating an 80yo. It has nothing to do with being able to bear children. Max "socially acceptable" age limit for a 40yo would be like 55, maaaybe up to 60.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/20 03:19 AM
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I love that place! Beautiful country and great food. The killing field and genocide museum made me cry though
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/20 11:02 PM
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Right? They keep using these celebrities as examples but the reason celebrities can wife up women much younger than them is because they're multi-millionaires and the access to that much money trumps most of the downsides of the age difference. Normal dudes might be able to date much younger women (assuming they're good looking) but it is near impossible they're going to convince one to carry their babies.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/20 10:54 PM
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It has nothing to do attractiveness. Look I agree with you that women are more forgiving of a man's age when it comes to sexual attraction. But that does not mean they want to start families with these guys. I and several of my friends have dated attractive older men but we have never ever seen these men as husband material. I have a friend dating a very attractive guy 15yrs her senior, going out with him for over 3 years, and she has absolutely no intention of moving in with, marrying or having…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/20 08:59 PM
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Yes of course, as I mentioned in my other comment lifestyle is a major factor too.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/20 06:13 PM
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Well I was in Cambodia a few years ago and I saw tons of women who looked significantly younger than they were, certainly more than I see in the States. Of course lifestyle is an important factor too and generally wealthy people of all races age the best.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/20 05:38 PM
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I'm not FDS but she's right. No 20-something woman wants to make babies with a guy twice her age. Women who date significantly older men aren't looking at them as husband material. When women want to date for marriage and family they generally stick within a few years of their own age.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/20 05:35 PM
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Asian people also have the highest amounts of collagen in their skin iirc, whereas white people have the lowest. That's why even Asians who are pale or live in tropical regions age better.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/20 05:30 PM
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If anything I feel like the men OP is talking about are the least likely to attract golddiggers. Guys with "above average" salary are often the stingiest about their money because they grew up middle/working class and have a very savings oriented outlook.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/20 04:30 PM
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I didn't say they were attractive women. My point is most guys have had some form of casual experience by 25 - 30. That's why I think strictly dividing men into "alpha" and "beta" is stupid. Men have a combo of traits from both sides.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 08:05 PM
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No they aren't lmao. Hookups and casual sex are the same thing. Sounds more like you're making some arbitrary distinction to protect your ego.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 06:19 PM
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Every man I've had an LTR with and the majority of my male friends have had experiences with casual sex. And they are not all tall, attractive white men either. I know nerdy Indian guys and 5'5" skinny guys who've had hookups. Sure they're not spinning plates left and right but they're not totally devoid of sex outside a relationship either. Seems to me the idea most men haven't had casual sex at least once in their life is removed from reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 05:07 PM
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Fair enough. I've seen most childfree men settle for LTRs eventually too although later in life.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 04:44 PM
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You're in a minority based off my personal experience. 🤷 Most of the "players" I knew in college started looking for committed relationships sometime between 25 - 35. Granted part of this also depends on if you want kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 04:22 PM
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Because men aren't either "AF" or "BB". Lots of men will go through periods of having casual sex until they find someone they like enough for an LTR. Maybe the teacher and the clean cut guy in your scenario were banging other broads before they decided to girlfriend one of them. The insistence on AF/BB always struck me as something made up by men who never experienced the hookup scene when they were young.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 04:03 PM
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Yes it is Here's a study from Stanford And the increase in risks of chromosomal abnormalities among older fathers is about same increase as older mothers Love how terps claim to be "scientific" but then ignore any science that goes against their "man good woman bad" worldview.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/20 06:21 PM
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Both of them would likely produce autistic or down syndrome babies. The idea that men can produce HEALTHY offspring past 40 but women can't is just TRP delusion. p.s. downvoting is against the rules
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/20 04:58 PM
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Nope. Older sperm has a significantly higher chance of producing kids with birth defects.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/20 04:19 PM
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Not necessarily since skinnyfat exists
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/20 03:43 AM
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Yep this is the right answer. They're "real men" in the same way any biological male is a real man. But we obviously don't see or interact them like we would with a straight man.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/20 03:33 AM
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Yes I think it makes more sense for women (or men) who plan to stay at home to at least spend a few years in the workforce first. The kids don't need their parents around once they're going to school all day and it's not like cooking or cleaning with modern appliances takes a full 6 - 8hrs.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/20 07:39 PM
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I definitely agree that having one parent at home is better for a child's development. I don't begrudge anyone with two working parents--providing for a SAHM is a luxury and for most of history only the rich could have this arrangement. But I think in an ideal world you'd have one person raising children and one working. I'll probably become a SAHM when my SO and I start having kids. We're lucky because both of us accrued a lot of wealth in our 20s so we have a pretty substantial nest egg. Once …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/20 07:21 PM
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Fried or grilled! Or cooked into eggs
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/20 04:41 AM
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It is actually pretty crazy that the flu was Big Deal even in the past century. Now unless you're super old, super young or immunocompromised it's only a little worse than a cold.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/20 04:09 AM
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I really want to know the context behind the first image
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/20 12:06 AM
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I had the flu last week and over the weekend I coughed so hard that I bruised a rib. BUT we did get a spectacular view of the northern lights last night so I guess that made up for my pain!
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/20 11:50 PM
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I like beer and wine but I hate cider. It's too sweet for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/20 11:41 PM
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You can do all 4 of those things though?? This is such a hilariously pretentious post lmfao
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/20 11:35 PM
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I haven't noticed any correlation between paying on the first date and how much money a guy spends in a relationship frankly.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/20 05:38 PM
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I wasn't into it even as a teen/early 20s, and I've dated men much older than me
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/20 04:00 PM
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Why not call their SO "sir" or "master" then? Same authority figure names without the weird incestuous vibe. I just don't get why daddy is the go to.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/20 03:58 PM
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Showing off in what way? I wouldn't want to date a man who my friends and family didn't like or whom I was embarrassed to be seen with. I don't care about showing him off on social media though. Making people jealous is also not something I think about. Let's just say that you found interest in a guy, but society views him as disgusting/repulsive/etc. Even your close friends are like "meh, you can do better than that." Does the social pressure from everyone else sway you from dating him? Yes. I'…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/20 03:22 AM
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Why even make a post if you're not going to engage in good faith? There are multiple people in the comments asking you to elaborate and all you've done is give complete non-answers. All that tells me is you have no idea what you're talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/20 11:12 PM
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nice non-answer
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/20 11:02 PM
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What the fuck is a strong, feminine woman? Very few women, it seems, are actually embracing who they are and being themselves. Lmao wtf are you talking about. Needy women and masculine women ARE embracing who they are. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean they aren't authentic.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/20 09:49 PM
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I actually met my fiance on Tinder lol. But also all the low effort messages I got were from it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/20 09:06 PM
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It also depends on the app I'd say. All the creepy messages I got were on Tinder. Bumble & OkC were fine but both of those don't have the perception of being "hook up apps".
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/20 09:00 PM
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Yes. I'm someone who sleeps with people on the first few dates and even I had to roll my eyes on some of the cringe-inducing pickup lines guys would try on dating apps. And there were the men who'd straight up ask "DTF" with no context or conversation. I don't know why some men think women will just come over and fuck them if they matched on an app. Even the sluttiest, most highly sociosexual women I know still need to meet the guy face to face first. If you want sex with absolutely 0 effort on …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/20 08:46 PM
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It's only shocking if you're a foreigner or lived under a rock. A guy that grew up in the Western SMP would have to be delusional to not see that women like attractive men.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/20 06:20 PM
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I got called a slut once for hooking up with a guy that another woman in our extended friend group had a crush on, despite having a whopping N count of 3 at the time (the dude in question was #3). It is definitely about competition. Women don't care about how many men another woman has slept with, they care about her sleeping with men that they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/20 04:24 PM
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All of my serious adult relationships basically started out as FWBs. I'm a have sex first ask questions later type of person. Out of the three people I had sex with after high school, only one never turned into an LTR. He was hot and fun but we weren't long term compatible because he didn't want kids. 🤷 Him and my first serious, long term ex were both people I met through friends. My fiance I met online. Do you think casual relationships have a place in dating, courting, or whatever? Sure. I don…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/20 12:43 AM
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I brought up my intention to get married and have kids before 30 to my now fiance very early (not first date but pretty shortly after we went exclusive). He didn't run away because he wanted those things too. A guy who runs away from discussions of commitment probably isn't ready for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/20 05:14 PM
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Men will only spend time with a fling if it's convenient to them. Men who want a relationship will go out of their way to spend time with a woman. It's the guy texts "u up" at 2am vs the guy who plans dates several days ahead.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/20 04:51 PM
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He isn't afraid to discuss commitment. My fiance and I talked about what we wanted out of a relationship--marriage, babies, etc--very very early on. A guy who plans to forever gf you will run away at any of this talk (even if you're not specifically talking about marrying him).
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/20 04:24 PM
1

I don't even mind beards if they're well kept. It's the Yeti looking "never been washed or trimmed" ones that gross me out.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/20 03:30 AM
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I regularly see men who look like that in Seattle. It's awful.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/20 02:42 AM
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This post is just sad
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/20 11:16 PM
2

I couldn't resist as soon as I read that post
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/20 04:03 AM
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Made excuses to talk to him, tried to do my hair, makeup and clothes really nice when I'm around him, flirting and light touching (if he was receptive to it). Pretty standard stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/20 04:00 AM
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How is it absurd? It is very common in software for people to take lower paying but less stressful positions as they start having families. I'm sure there are other professions that are similar.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/20 03:21 AM
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It'd be pretty weird if you tried to party with actual college kids but there's plenty of people in the 22 - 27ish age range who still party. Is there like a niche for late-bloomer dudes with FOMO lmao. Clubs
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/20 11:38 PM
2

Did your college not have rankings for frats & sororities? Where I went there were certain ones that were perceived as having wealthier, more attractive people and being more selective in who got in.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/20 11:32 PM
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Yes...TRP would teach you how to do points 1 - 4. So I'm not sure what OP is trying to argue here.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/20 09:15 PM
1

But then by that logic if someone finds value in putting on makeup or playing video games it is a hobby
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/20 09:06 PM
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1 & 2 only work if she's already attracted to you. I have male friends who make me laugh and I feel comfortable around but I wouldn't date them because they aren't physically my type. 3 & 4 are just byproducts of a woman being attracted to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/20 08:38 PM
2

Gimpgirl, and now you
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/20 07:48 PM
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I'm a big fan tbh
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/20 07:46 PM
2

Is this gimpgirl's alt?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/20 07:38 PM
1

But unless you're a professional athlete or sell your paintings, writing, etc it doesn't seem like you're producing any value for other people. On the other hand doing makeup and video games can absolutely produce value for others if you say, for example, make tutorials or stream your game.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/20 05:06 PM
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She has no obligation to talk to him and it is not rude for her to say hi and then go about her day. That is the definition of being polite. If you think a woman not wanting to engage in conversation with you is "rude" then you most likely are a needy loser.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/20 04:47 PM
1

Men in their early 30s are the most desirable for relationships. I think a lot of men--particularly those that never experienced the college hookup scene--mistake this for also being prime time for casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/20 04:36 PM
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lol
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/20 11:19 PM
1

Crate and Barrel FINALLY delivered our media console today but we're still not getting the coffee table I ordered for another week 😐 God I hate waiting on furniture
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/20 10:26 PM
2

I don't think I've been to a Denny's while sober in over a decade now
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/20 10:25 PM
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Right? Being with a person who loves you for the rest of your life sounds awesome
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/20 05:49 PM
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Women are nice to men they don't find threatening and many men mistake this for attraction. Take for example men who claim they get hit on more when in a relationship. They're not being hit on, women are just more comfortable around men in relationships because these men are less likely to be sexual towards them.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/20 04:38 PM
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I was never super fat but going from chubby to slim I definitely started getting attention from more attractive men than I had previously. I've also fluctuated between skinny and muscular a few times and gym bros hit on me when I'm on the muscular side.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/20 04:32 PM
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Are you saying men don't make Punnett squares for every woman they meet??
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/20 01:44 AM
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See I am unique!
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/20 12:17 AM
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No
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/20 12:01 AM
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95% of men that women interact with daily aren't worth reproducing with and most women don't get any pleasure from fucking strangers.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/20 11:56 PM
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Yep
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/20 11:52 PM
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Nope
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/20 09:24 PM
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I've never had a problem finding left leaning men but I also run among West Coast UMC social circles where liberalism is the norm not the exception. If anything you'd have a harder time dating if you were pro-Trump or even moderate. I would also say how much politics affect your dating life also depends on how nuanced your views are. For example I feel very very strongly about abortion rights so I would never date a man who was an inkling of pro-birth. On the other hand in moderate on gun rights…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/20 08:23 PM
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Yep. Tinder is like 70% men iirc and other OLD apps are not much different.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/20 05:23 PM
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I guess I'm just not attracted to men who are paternalistic towards me so it feels very weird to me
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/20 04:43 AM
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No
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/20 12:56 AM
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I know it's not an incest thing but I still think it's messed up
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/20 11:45 PM
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The thought of calling my SO "daddy" makes me gag. I can't imagine a woman who had a normal relationship with her father being into that. Same with sibling porn--I'm guessing it's only children or people who have weird relationships with their siblings. As for WHY it's on the rise I have no idea. Probably just the porn industry needing to be more and more edgy to keep the masses entertained.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/20 11:27 PM
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Those scenarios are both extremes that don't represent real life. I wouldn't date either of them. The thing with physical attractiveness is it has a ceiling after which personality and overall compatibility become more important. So for example, a guy may have to be at least a 7/10 for me to consider dating him. But once he reaches that threshold it stops mattering. A 9 with a boring personality would be less overall attractive to me than a 7 with an interesting personality. Whether that means i…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/20 10:15 PM
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FDS isn't "conservative", they're mostly radfems so of course a lot of their beliefs aren't going to align with mainstream libfem ideas. That being said I think the MSM is having a hard time figuring out what to do with FDS. On the one hand it's pro-woman which the mainstream obviously loves. On the other hand they are much more radical in their ideas and use a lot of incel/RP terminology. It will certainly be interesting to see where it gets placed in the sphere of internet dating strategies.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/20 09:03 PM
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The married/relationship-ed ones are normal but I know a decent amount of non-foreign single engineer men who are weird around women. But sure, could be a location thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/20 08:58 PM
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I disagree that physical attractiveness is the most important but I do think it is a lot more important for women than many men are led to believe
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/20 07:47 PM
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is this a troll lol
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/20 07:34 PM
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Are you male? A lot of the social awkwardness is towards women rather than other men
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/20 07:29 PM
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From RPW: It's ok to just STFU and let your man lead. If you vet your LTRs properly you should be able to trust his decisions.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/20 06:31 PM
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Yes I'll give you bio/chem/medicine inclined majors tend to have more normal people
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/20 06:25 PM
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Nah I work a mid six figure job at a well known west coast tech company. My company actually has more normal people than other places I've seen but tech still by and large attracts socially awkward people. That might change as more and more people get into it though.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/20 06:25 PM
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I was comparing them to other high paying white collar jobs like lawyer, finance, etc. I think high income professions where you have to be good at dealing with clients tend to attract the most Chads. If you compare STEM to ALL professions they're probably average in looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/20 05:05 AM
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Fair enough! My current company actually has a decent number of attractive people because it's newer and the overall population is younger. However I still think on average you do not find as many attractive people in engineering as you do in other high paying white collar professions.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/20 04:26 AM
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Does your friend represent most ChemE majors though? No one is saying attractive people in STEM don't exist. But they are a minority, especially compared to majors that tend to have an abundance of attractive men and women. Although I will give you that chem and bio based majors tend to have more hot people than math or tech based ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/20 04:16 AM
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If that were true it wouldn't be a widely accepted stereotype
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/20 04:05 AM
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It's hilarious because I work in tech so I'm actually speaking from experience. Maybe like 5% of men (and women tbh) I see are attractive to the opposite sex and aren't socially retarded. Whereas almost every guy I've seen who went into sales, law, finance, etc has been very attractive and charming. The stereotypes that some jobs have less attractive people didn't come out of nowhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/20 12:11 AM
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Can't fault them for that
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/20 11:46 PM
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I'm a software eng at a big tech company so I know what I'm talking about. Most of the men* in my profession are socially awkward, don't know how to dress or groom and have extremely average faces + bodies. I know a few guys who are sexually attractive but they are in a tiny minority. There is a reason STEM dudes have a reputation for being unattractive to women. *Granted most STEM women are like this too
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/20 11:42 PM
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That's because Seattle is full of tech multi-millionaires who dress like hobos lol. It's pretty hard to tell who's rich in this city based on how they look and act.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/20 10:33 PM
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They aren't attractive to women period. They most likely aren't physically attractive (since they're STEMLords), they most likely don't have game (once again because they're STEMLords) and they don't have social status (because FIRE). If you don't want to spend money you need to have either looks or game (or both) but these guys usually have none of those.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/20 10:26 PM
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Yep. It's not the money itself that is attractive it's the perception that he lives a cool, interesting life. That's why STEMLord FIRE followers will never be attractive to women no matter how much money they make.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/20 08:21 PM
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That's going to happen whether you're betabuxxing with a western woman or with a foreigner. If your strategy is betabuxx might as well take the easy route and get a mail order bride.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/20 06:01 PM
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omg I love your flair And yeah my SO was trying to keep this trip a secret but I found out! I think parts of what we're doing are still secrets though
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/20 05:36 PM
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My bday is really close to Vday so we just skip Valentine's and do something for my birthday. This year we're going to Alaska to see the Northern Lights.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/20 05:20 PM
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Yes there is even a term for this, they're called gymcels
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/20 08:58 PM
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Lachowski is the perfect man (aesthetically) ime
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/20 08:03 PM
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I never understood the point of totally split finances after marriage. I wouldn't legally sign myself for life to someone if I didn't trust them to spend my money wisely
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/20 07:51 PM
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I technically make 2x what my fiance makes but he's still at six figures. My standards have always been he has to keep up with my lifestyle and be willing to split regular expenses 50/50. I'm fine with paying more for major, long term purchases though. We plan on totally combining finances when we get married though so it won't matter who pays for what then.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/20 07:34 PM
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Losing weight is different because the loss of fat can also improve your facial aesthetics I don't think a guy with a normal amount of fat will gain significantly more success getting built though. Maybe 0.5 - 1pt on the physical attractive scale at most.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/20 06:03 PM
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Yeah...if anything this is proving Atlas's point that men are retarded about what's physically appealing to women
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/20 06:01 PM
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Lol I mean in that case you might just have a bad reputation among the hookers
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/20 05:50 PM
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Idk the middle guy with the dark hair and skinny body is the most attractive to me. That might be my personal preference talking though.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/20 05:47 PM
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I'd be pretty grossed out and never see you again
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/20 05:37 PM
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It's viscerally disgusting It comes off as desperate. Women don't want to date men who have to pay for sex. We want men who are high value enough to convince women to have sex with them Even in places where it's legalized prostitution strongly correlates with human trafficking and I don't trust that men are going to do their research and only go to a reputable place
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/20 05:32 PM
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That's not how evolution works. Evolution is not directed in any way. In order for there to be a 75/25 female : male ratio something would have to happen where significantly fewer male than female babies are being born, or males suddenly start dying very young. There is nothing in the modern sex scene that prevents men from being born or making it to adulthood so there is no catalyst that would lead to skewed gender ratios.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/20 11:35 PM
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Yeah I'm speaking in generalities. If we're talking about a specific woman where she draws the line depends on her upbringing and environment.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/20 06:12 PM
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It might also partly be a generational thing? I'm a younger millenial (born '93) and have dated bi men before. I think bisexuality in men has only recently started becoming acceptable, so a lot of women are still going to have that ick factor for it. Among my fellow millenial friends it's 50/50 on whether they'd date a bisexual guy but a lot of gen Z women I know don't have a problem with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/20 05:50 PM
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Women like men that are good looking and exciting. Whether that means they are morally good or morally bad is irrelevant
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/20 04:48 PM
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I totally believe TRPs when they talk about their experiences with women. My point is that none of their theories can be proven by hard science and are therefore not facts, just generalities that came from crowdsourced anecdotes. Which once again is perfectly fine wrt to forming dating strategies. But FDS is the same. Where do you think their ideas about waiting for sex, making men pay for dates, hard nexting etc came from? It's women that have been pumped & dumped over and over again and came u…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/20 10:27 PM
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Scientists back up their theories on a causation by running rigorous experiments with results that can be replicated by their colleagues. And if there is a single example that disproves their theory then said theory it is not correct. TRP has done none of the above, not to mention they disregard any experience that doesn't corroborate their own. That automatically shows that they are pseudoscientific. Once again it's totally fine to use anecdotes when discussion relationships. But that makes the…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/20 10:05 PM
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You can't claim to be scientific and logical but use anecdotes and correlations to back up your claims. TRP and FDS is nothing but anecdotes with no hard scientific backing to their theories (and pop psych articles don't count). Now don't get me wrong it's perfectly FINE to use anecdotes when discussing relationships and gender dynamics. Social science theories can't proven the same way hard sciences can anyway. But claiming to be "scientific" when they are not following anything close to the sc…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/20 09:45 PM
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Made up field reports Circlejerking about "science" while not having any understanding of the scientific process, constantly mistaking correlation for causation, using outdated terminology that even actual biologists have abandoned If FDS is a circlejerk TRP is even worse. At least FDS doesn't claim their anecdotal experience is backed by ""logic"" and """science""" unlike TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/20 09:23 PM
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She's posted plenty of pictures of herself if you look at her comment history (no gimp mask too)
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/20 09:13 PM
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There are plenty of women on FDS who are in committed relationships if you actually read the comments. Also it's a pretty new sub with a young demographic so of course most of the posters are still going to be in the dating phase. The amount of cognitive dissonance it takes to call FDS a circlejerk but not TRP is hilarious.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/20 08:57 PM
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Why would FDS care what they could offer men?? It's a sub focused on maximizing gain FOR WOMEN. This is like complaining that TRP only talks about obtaining NSA sex and not how they can be better husbands/boyfriends. There are plenty of strategies women could utilize to get commitment from men Yeah and FDS has those strategies. It's literally just old school girl game.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/20 08:48 PM
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I mean in general it is good advice. Her friends don't know about her debt so they are telling her to "next him" because, from their perspective, there's nothing wrong with her and it's just the guy who does not want to commit. Their advice would probably be different if she disclosed the full picture.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/20 08:14 PM
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Ok but that's her issue for not disclosing the full story. Doesn't make the "next him" advice any less valid.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/20 08:07 PM
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Women's problems are about securing COMMITMENT from men. And a big part of that is weeding out men who just want sex. Things like "dump his ass" "don't date a guy unless he pays" etc are FEMALE STRATEGIES because they teach women how to assert their boundaries and not waste time on a guy who isn't giving her what she wants. Men and women are not the same and do not have the same relationship problems. Women don't need to learn how to attract men. We all know men like young, pretty, thin women. F…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/20 08:05 PM
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FDS does have actual strategy in its sub, it's literally the entire sidebar. I also see multiple posts discussing strategy in the comments. I mean the top post today is about how you should just block a guy after a break up instead of writing paragraphs expounding on why you're upset.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/20 07:51 PM
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They wouldnt need sister subs to explain strategies unless their sub wasnt about strategy. Then why is there a separate MRP, askTRP, RedPillParenting, etc from TRP? Sister subs are just for organizational purposes. This may be surprising to someone who is a little slow, but it is common for large subs to have offshoots for specific parts of their discussions. Except FDS doesnt help women get commitment Yes it does. "Find someone else" IS the answer to her problem because if the guy she wants isn…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/20 07:41 PM
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They don't discuss how they can improve to be more attractive to men They do, but they do it on related sister subs like r/Vindicta and r/FemaleLevelUpStrategy. Also women don't need to discuss how to be attractive to men because most of us have it hammered into our heads from since we were kids FDS doesnt ever talk about things like evolutionary psychology Lol who cares. FDS and TRP are both about giving men and women want they want (casual sex for men, committed relationships for women). It do…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/20 07:14 PM
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Yes. The corollary to my statement is don't tell women you've had sex with hookers (and get an STD test).
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/20 05:08 PM
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If you are a normal dude then paying for sex will immediately tank your S/RMV. Vast majority of women will find that gross. The only men who can get away with this are extremely rich and/or attractive (although even then women still find the act disgusting, they're just willing to overlook it).
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/20 05:03 PM
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If you can get married/LTR'd to a man you consider an HVM, then you are an HVW. That's pretty much it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/20 04:21 PM
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It sounds like your current boyfriend isn't looking for marriage either though...
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/20 03:20 AM
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No it hasn't. The expectation for men in the past has been to provide for women. The expectation I'm setting is equal contribution. You're right that in the future we may have to go the full opposite way--with women providing for men--but I don't expect women en masse to be ok with that any time soon.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/20 08:33 PM
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I currently make more than my fiance but we have the same level of education and income potential. My requirement for men has always been that they should make enough to keep up with my lifestyle. I wouldn't be able to date a man if I was always the one paying for dates, paying the bulk of the bills, etc. I'm ok with spending a little more on major purchases (for example I'm the one who paid for the down payment + closing costs of our house) but I expect regular everyday things to be split 50/50…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/20 07:25 PM
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I have never heard or seen someone use this phrase irl. What kind of women do you people hang out with? I will tell people to suck it up/get their shit together but that's a more gender neutral thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/20 07:11 PM
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I'm not sure if I'm the right person to answer this since I'm marrying the guy I started dating at 23. However I do not regret breaking up with the men I dated as a teenager/early 20s nor do I regret not going out with men I wasn't attracted to. I also agree with the second quoted comment--the women I know who broke up with their long term SOs from their teens or 20s did it for very good reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/20 11:40 PM
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What possible difference would there be between having kids at 27 vs 33? There isn't a significant maturity gap between these ages and as I said in my earlier comment financial stability depends more on class. You're also assuming your parents issues were due to their age and not just how they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/20 09:00 PM
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Haha fair enough! I guess I like slightly scruffy pretty boys
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/20 08:10 PM
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I think it went up and down depending how emo he was being that season
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/20 08:08 PM
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What? All of those facts tell me the ideal time to have children is your mid-late 20s not mid 30s. Young people are more fit than old people The divorce rate is only high for couples who got married before 25. After that it's pretty steady until ~35 where it actually goes up slightly. Financial stability depends more on class than age (and also what your definition of "financially stable" is). Most of the UMC I know were financially ready for kids by their 20s.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/20 08:05 PM
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Can I go with a TV show? My first thought was Dean Winchester from Supernatural. Scruffy bad boys with a heart of gold are my jam. I can't think of what celebrity/movie character my SO looks like but I'm usually bad at this kind of stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/20 07:12 PM
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My parents never have but one of my uncles has tried to set me up with random guys he sees on Facebook who live near me. Idk why he thinks I would meet these people??
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/20 05:32 PM
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I haven't noticed any correlation between waiting and commitment. All of my long term relationships started with sex in <3 dates. And my current SO--who I had sex with on date two--hits every bullet point on what both FDS/women in general would consider a "high value male". If you are not comfortable having sex before you know someone that is fine. By all means wait however long you want--you should never feel pressured to have sex. But imposing a bunch of arbitrary time limits on it is stupid.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/20 07:29 PM
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Smart men will care about a woman's finances when it comes to marriage. But men aren't socially conditioned to care about these things. I think there's plenty of good men that don't care until it comes to bite them in the ass several years down the line.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/20 04:26 PM
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I just have a hard time believing any guy who waits 3 months for sex isn't either a) very desperate or b) fucking other women on the side.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/20 04:21 PM
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I'm all for OLD I mean I met my fiance on it. It's just harder to filter out fuckboys if you don't have really good vetting skills.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/20 04:08 PM
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Fair enough but imo people who are bad at vetting will do better dating from their social circle than dating strangers and posing a bunch of arbitrary rules on them
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/20 04:03 PM
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So your claim is unless you're willing to wait a long time for sex you'll get pumped and dumped? Because that has not been my experience or the experience of most women I know at all It sounds more like women who have to make men "wait" for sex are just bad at vetting
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/20 04:01 PM
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Sleeping with someone within 3 dates is low libido?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/20 03:55 PM
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Hmm this hasn't been my experience. I have a couple of friends in the Gen Z/millenial border and they are definitely not settling down any faster than the people around my age (27).
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/20 11:27 PM
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RPW is meant for women already in long term committed relationships. It's not meant to be a dating strategy. Treating the dude you've been seeing for two months as a "captain" is how you end up becoming a plate or forever gf bangmaid. I don't entirely agree with FDS but if I had to choose between those two as a dating strategy I'd go with FDS.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/20 11:10 PM
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You're just proving their point lol
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/20 04:22 AM
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I mean if you think Mamoa and Hemsworth are "pretty boys" then there aren't any non-pretty men I'm attracted to
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/20 10:26 PM
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Sometimes it's about how you say it too. There's a difference between "hey it felt bad that you didn't hold the door open for me" and crying or throwing a fit over it. I agree calling out bad behavior in a relationship early is a GOOD THING. But like I said it's a balance between enforcing what you want and just being nitpicky.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/20 07:47 PM
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You are mixing up "being crazy" and "enforcing your boundaries". The real reason your "cool girl" friends are perpetually single and/or in bad relationships is not because they are actually cool, laid back women but because they are doormats. Likewise your "crazy" friends probably aren't actually crazy, they just know what they want and don't have problems nexting men who aren't giving it to them. You can be a laid back woman while also have strict requirements for a relationship. You're right t…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/20 07:34 PM
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It's a bonus if she's already attracted to you otherwise it makes no difference. When my SO cuddles with our cats or plays with babies it makes my ovaries burst. If a random dude did it I wouldn't even notice.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/20 06:25 PM
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I legit cannot tell the difference between most of the women from 6 to 9. It just looks like makeup and good lighting.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/20 05:27 PM
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I've had a couple of guys tell me I'm an 8/10. But I think you have to be into petite, "cute" looking women. Objectively...maybe a 6? Idk it's hard for me to tell. I regularly get compliments from men of all ethnicities BUT I also don't get "Stacy treatment" such as having guys randomly pay for my shit. I was fugly and weird until my early 20s though 🤷
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/20 04:34 PM
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It remember being obsessed with astrology as a preteen. I got all into reading and making star charts and knowing a bunch of obscure facts about the sign. I don't believe in any of it, but it's still fun. As for why women tend to be more into this...I think women in general are more likely to be attracted to spiritual/magical/woo woo types of hobbies.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/20 01:39 AM
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As much as I hate to give the blackpill credit they are right when they say face + height matter more than hitting the gym
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/20 07:07 PM
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I think it's pretty naive to assume any highly desirable man is going to be waiting around on a single woman
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/20 07:06 PM
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I've dated both types and 100% prefer the pretty skinny boy.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/20 06:31 PM
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Yes lol. Plenty of people see multiple people at a time. And especially if he's just having ONS with other women it wouldn't be hard.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/20 04:06 PM
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I've never been "wyd" by a guy (unless it was a friend and he was using it ironically). I thought it was pretty common knowledge this is a fuckboy thing though.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/20 08:35 PM
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That's weird tbh I've never seen it used outside of booty calls
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/20 07:47 PM
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That's not what it means lmao. Are you over 40 years old?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/20 07:34 PM
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Do you actually understand what "wyd" means?? That's a calling card for a guy looking for a booty call. It's not about dominance, it's about a guy looking for a low effort hookup vs a guy taking her on a date.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/20 05:53 PM
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I've had two serious exes and one ex-FWB. All of them were decent guys. We just had different life goals or incompatibilities in personality that would not work out long term. One ex we broke up because we were going to different colleges and didn't want to do LDR. One we broke up because he didn't want kids and I did. The FWB had a bunch of red flags that didn't make him good bf material for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/20 10:41 PM
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How is dating someone at college or the work place NOT dating within your social circle? Unless you're dating "social circle" as just your closest friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/20 04:34 PM
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The guys crying about N count here likely come from small towns where slutty women become single moms at 20. I don't think they understand that the casual sex scene among the UMC is very different.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/20 04:05 AM
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Women who are willing to be plated are seen as easy, low self esteem, etc. Also from the guys side it seems desperate. I don't AGREE with this logic btw just trying to explain their side.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/20 10:37 PM
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He's saying those kinds of women aren't relationship material
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/20 10:19 PM
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Ok but I'm asking for specific examples
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/20 04:31 PM
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I'm curious who you would consider a top tier woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/20 03:48 PM
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Yes
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/20 12:25 AM
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Doesn't matter. When a man is much taller he has the appearance of being strong.* *Unless he's an extemely skinny beanpole
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/20 09:06 PM
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I don't have a strong preference for tall men but I do like when a guy is bigger than me and can toss me around. Being tall is just a cheat code for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/20 04:41 PM
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Do you think women marry the guy they met last week?? The women getting married in their late 20s are marrying the guy they've been dating since their early 20s.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/20 04:20 PM
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I didn't say she was lying I'm saying it's weird to justify it with "I wAnT tO WeAr hEeLs".
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/20 05:09 AM
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I mean the whole justifying it with the heels thing, which doesn't even make sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/20 03:57 AM
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No one wears 8" heels except strippers. I'm 5'3" and my usual shoes have 3" in heels, the highest heels I own are maybe 5". Those women just like tall dudes and are trying to make excuses for why.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/20 01:25 AM
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Every time she comments I wonder if she's a troll or just lives in some weird reality that's completely out of touch with the rest the world
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/20 05:59 PM
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We're going to have to agree to disagree
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/20 05:33 PM
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None of the women you're posting are better looking than her. I'm sorry but I think you're wildly out of touch here.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/20 05:27 PM
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I know men with gfs who are into her too. Idk why you're having such a hard time believing this. I don't think she's Victoria's Secret model tier but she's still above average.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/20 05:18 PM
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Just search Gal Gadot on Reddit or Google and you'll see it. I've heard it irl too. I think some of it just her personality or nerd cred too? There's a lot of meh looking female celebrities that men are super into because of that. Jennifer Lawrence and Anna Kendrick are others that come to mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/20 05:13 PM
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She's looks like an Arabic Auntie Lol I agree with you but the other posters are right. You must live under a rock if you don't see men slobbering over her
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/20 05:04 PM
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Yeah for sure. I was responding to the "why can't they just tell your mom to fuck off" comment made by Orange.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/20 08:22 PM
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They were loner girls who wore the same Jack Skellington hoodie every day Feeling personally attacked right now
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/20 08:19 PM
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Eh same idea. Point is parent child relationship dynamics are very different from Western culture
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/20 08:15 PM
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I know plenty of single women in their late 30s and 40s who are perfectly happy that way. However they are also successful in their careers, childfree and have a large social circle. They also don't experience any CULTURAL pressure to marry which I think is actually a major (and oft overlooked) factor in whether older single people are happy
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/20 07:53 PM
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The soreness from lifting a normal amount to get a good body still isn't comparable to period pain and saying so idiotic since any bodybuilding or powerlifting woman could refute that point.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/20 04:40 PM
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Ah good call good call. I'll give you that one.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/20 03:42 AM
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Of course it's not a bad salary. It's just not what normal people mean when they say "wealthy/UMC/high earning Americans".
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/20 11:42 PM
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On average maybe 20 min? Making out + foreplay + PIV. Occasionally we do 5min quickies or longer more elaborate kinkier sessions. Right now we're at 4 - 5 days/week. We're actually more likely to have sex on weeknights because we end up going out and getting too drunk to do it on weekends. f, mostly red, engaged
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/20 10:59 PM
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Please tell me what other STEM professions aside from the two I listed make UMC (i.e. mid six figure) salaries or have the potential to be multi-millionaires. Making $100k/yr as a MechE in Dublin, Ohio is not what people mean when they say "wealthy".
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/20 10:36 PM
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Because the only actually wealthy STEM professions are doctor and some software engineers. Lawyers aren't STEM.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/20 10:04 PM
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Hmm fair enough. My female friends and I aren't the type of women who post semi-nudes on our Instagram so it doesn't come up with the dudes we date.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/20 10:02 PM
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Yeah or their mom/older female relatives never taught them. Sex ed certainly doesn't teach those things.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/20 09:51 PM
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no u
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/20 09:48 PM
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I really just depends on your age, lifestyle, and respective libidos. My SO and I have sex almost every day but we're in our 20s and have no kids. Been together almost 3.5 yrs. The important part is to come to a compromise where you both feel sexually satisfied without one party feeling pressured. Men should to understand that their female SOs need to be romanced and seduced in order to want to have sex. Likewise women should understand that regular sex is a large part of men feeling desirable.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/20 09:25 PM
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Your statement is so stupid it's not even worth addressing. Please go read up on female anatomy.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/20 09:16 PM
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This is very odd to me. I was taught by my mom to keep track of my period since I was a preteen, I assumed most women did the same. The only time I didn't know when it was coming was on my last BC method because it made my period fluctuate wildly.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/20 09:15 PM
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This very common among high earning couples ime. My fiance and I are thinking about doing the same thing too once we have kids in a few years.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/20 09:11 PM
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This might be the dumbest statement I have ever read on this subreddit
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/20 09:03 PM
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Lmfao yes it is. Lifting until your legs are jello is not a requirement to attract women. And even if it was it still no way comparable to period pain. I have lifted to the point of failure myself and I'd still take that pain over a bad period cramp.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/20 09:02 PM
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You don't need to lift until failure to be attractive to women. Literally just swimming 3 - 4 days a week will give you the toned body that is attractive to 99% of women. Most men who get huge do it for the approval of other men.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/20 09:00 PM
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I've said this before but a lot of these RPers are either working class Americans or foreigners who have no idea how UMC/UC American dating scene functions
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/20 08:55 PM
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Try lifting until failure multiple times a week until you can barely walk. Except you literally have the choice not to do that how is that even comparable I also have female friends who are competitive powerlifters and they still think period pain is a hundred times worse
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/20 08:47 PM
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What about kids?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/20 08:43 PM
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It's only news to PPD men who insist multimillionaire lawyers are marrying the waitress at Denny's
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/20 08:40 PM
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The chart only appears on web view. If you view it on a laptop or desktop then you will see the majority of marriages are between two doctors (i.e. the thickest line). And actually if you look at the chart going the other way (who do nurses marry?) most of them ARE NOT marrying doctors
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/20 08:38 PM
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My SF friends with kids live far outside the city in places like Mountainview. They're also at the salary level where they can afford multimillion houses though. You're right idk about the rest of those cities.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/20 08:01 PM
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It also says: Thicker line = top pairing I'm not denying proximity has something to do with it. But if it was just proximity then the thickest line would male doctor - female nurse since there are far more female nurses than there are female doctors. The fact that the most common pairing is still doctor - doctor tells me proximity isn't the only factor.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/20 07:05 PM
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Since when has this ever been a standard? I've never heard a man care about social media period. I'm a 27F ambivert normie though so maybe this is an age/social circle thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/20 06:55 PM
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Male nurses are an absurd minority and you know it. Yes which makes the fact that there is a significant enough PERCENT of male doctor - male nurse marriages to even show up on the graph more interesting. In any case most marriages are still doctor - doctor.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/20 06:50 PM
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I don't think the list is in order. If you look at the actual graph the second thickest line is male doctors marrying MALE nurses. So heterosexual male (doctor) + female (nurse) couples are pretty small.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/20 06:31 PM
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You're wrong: https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2016-who-marries-whom/ According to that graph most doctors ("Surgeons and Physicians") marry other doctors
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/20 06:25 PM
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FYI here's a visualization of who marries who by profession: https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2016-who-marries-whom/ You can see a lot of top earning professions like "lawyer" and "surgeon" mostly marry each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/20 06:24 PM
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It's STEMLords who think they're "high earners" because they make $120k/yr in Bumfuck, Ohio
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/20 06:15 PM
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There's no wealthy people raising kids in an apartment lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/20 06:14 PM
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Yeah that's what I was trying to get at. Men overestimate how important muscles are. Height might be more complex and down to personal preference.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/20 05:41 PM
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Maybe you were more confident when you worked out. Maybe you were underestimating how skinny you used to be. Maybe your face changed from losing body fat and you're not accounting for that. And it is not virtue signaling for me. I've dated men from competitive bodybuilder to "does a lot of walking" and I find them all equally attractive as long as they are fit.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/20 05:40 PM
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No actually. Ime short guys with game and attractive faces get more action than weird ugly tall men. My original comment was also about musculature not height.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/20 05:25 PM
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Do you mean shorter than yourself? When I say "face over body" I'm also assuming the guy is taller than the woman and not fat or too skinny. Or we have very different experiences as most women I know (including myself) would pick a guy with an attractive face who's only 2" taller than us over an ogre who's 9" taller.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/20 05:13 PM
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Are you a woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/20 05:05 PM
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Face is SIGNIFICANTLY more important than body. I think this where the disconnect about what body types women like comes from. Yesterday I saw a comment with two pictures--one of slightly muscled dude one of a very built dude. All the women were claiming the first one was more attractive and the men claimed they were lying. The thing is the guy in #1 had a much more conventionally attractive face than #2 so the difference in their bodies was irrelevant. I think since men are ok with butterfaces …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/20 04:48 PM
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Ugly people get into relationships all the time he just won't be able to get casual sex
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/20 05:31 AM
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Pretty sure that's only for genital herpes i.e. HSV2
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/20 05:07 AM
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Men want to be the guy she got with when her standards for sex were low
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/20 04:59 AM
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Yeah I don't see why not. Doesn't most sex involve squeezing, kissing, eye contact and vocalizing? Except for creampies I don't let randos come inside me.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/20 04:03 AM
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Lol mine is the exact opposite. His ex was a tall blonde with no tattoos or piercings whereas I am a petite brunette with several tattoos and piercings.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/20 08:11 PM
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Yeah I'm talking about inexperienced men who think Chad only goes for Stacies when he's definitely going for Beckies and normies too. It seems we agree tho.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/20 08:08 PM
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Being thirsty isn't enough to fuck women otherwise there would be no incels. Alpha Chad is both desirable to many women AND also has sex with a variety of them. He might not be fucking landwhales but he is certainly willing to go below his league. The idea that Chad is racking up double or even triple digit N counts by only fucking HB8+ is a myth perpetuated by men who were in never in the casual dating scene when they were young.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/20 07:36 PM
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They might not go for total trolls but they do go for women that are below their league
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/20 07:33 PM
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My fiance's last serious ex is the exact opposite "type" from me which is a weird feeling. But his celebrity crushes are closer to what I look like 🤷 I don't think jealousy is ever good in a relationship from either gender. A little bit of passive dread is ok though and keeps things exciting.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/20 06:09 PM
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The point is the men with the highest N counts are also the ones with the lowest thresholds needed to have sex. This runs counter to the pervasive idea among men on Reddit that alpha Chads are only sleeping with the hottest women.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/20 06:02 PM
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Sorry I'll clarify. I mean they are not special among women which is why women judge them negatively if they claim to/act like they are. Obviously men either like these traits or are totally neutral.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/20 04:34 PM
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Men's definition of what is special or better is not universal lmao. She would not be special in the FSM.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/20 04:30 PM
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Not to me I don't care. I have friends who are intathots and friends who have STEM degrees and don't even post on social media Of course I don't date women so obvs as a man your standards are different
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/20 04:25 PM
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Your gf isn't that unique. Most of the women I know would think the picture you linked is stupid too. "Not like the other girls" girls are disliked not because they have alternative interests but because they think those make then special and better.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/20 04:12 PM
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I've just been lucky I guess. I think most people get it as kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/20 03:53 PM
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I have tested negative for both HSV2 & HPV. I'm pretty sure I'm also one of the rare few people who doesn't have HSV1 either as I've never gotten a cold sore around my mouth
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/20 06:20 AM
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Ye I thought I've mentioned this before
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/20 12:45 AM
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What difference does that make? She still wouldn't date him to begin with because she's not looking for frugal men
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/20 09:58 PM
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Yeah I mean it makes perfect sense to me since the traits that look cute & feminine on women look bad on men (and vice versa) Henry Cavill's exact identical genderbent woman would be an ugly masculine tranny
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/20 09:21 PM
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I'm a short effeminate South Asian chick and he's the only male celebrity I can think of that is also fits that description 🤷
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/20 09:05 PM
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F
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/20 09:03 PM
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Yes it makes me cry myself to sleep at night
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/20 08:25 PM
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No it's just a general rise of social media influencers. It used to be all makeup or video game streamers but now there's something for every lifestyle niche.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/20 08:24 PM
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Why are you still posting on PPD? Show me the sociology course that qualified you to comment here
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/20 08:21 PM
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You seem not to understand what a verifiable fact and what is an opinion. Sorry if that offends you.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/20 08:07 PM
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Except you can prove through the scientific method that the earth is not flat. You cannot do the same with political positions. Otherwise you might as well stop posting on PPD since unless you've taken a gender studies or sociology course apparently any opinion you have have gender dynamics will be wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/20 08:03 PM
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Ooh this is fun! If I'm being completely honest mine would be Aziz Ansari
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/20 07:58 PM
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I actually took a macroeconomics class at my uni (private top 20) although I admit I don't remember anything since that wasn't my major or job. You don't need to take a university course to have an opinion on something though.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/20 07:52 PM
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Seeking out casual sex and LTRs aren't mutually exclusive. In my experience most normal men will have ONS/STRs/FWBs while looking for a gf
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/20 07:49 PM
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Oh I forgot it's perfectly ok to let people die of they're mentally ill And you call me morally bankrupt
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/20 07:37 PM
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I don't feel like Sanders has the charisma to win on populist positions but perhaps I just don't have a lot of faith in the average American voter
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/20 07:36 PM
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1 isn't rare at all in fact the majority of women I know did that. You're assuming every ugly middle aged beta dude was always like that. In reality many men were alphabucks when they first got together with their wife. It's just age/kids/the monotony of a committed relationship wore them down.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/20 07:34 PM
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I hang in extremely normie circles and have never experienced this. Then again my male friends aren't blaming their dating woes on women, feminism or Chad
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/20 07:32 PM
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Safety is a need. Casual sex is not.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/20 07:25 PM
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So? That's like saying we shouldn't cure cancer because there are fewer people dying of cancer than ever
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/20 07:24 PM
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Yes because women are tired of men telling us to lower our standards. Most of us would rather die alone as cat ladies then end up with a man we don't like
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/20 07:22 PM
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Casual sex isn't a need like medicine or shelter lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/20 07:20 PM
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I'm actually pretty lefty on most political positions, in the sense that I don't think people should die on the streets because they can't afford rent or an insulin shot. I don't agree with him on making college free/eliminating college debt though. I don't think he'd be able to win the presidency.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/20 06:46 PM
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You are being willfully obtuse if you don't see these comments
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/20 06:02 PM
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Then why are they blaming society or women when it's just an immutable biological fact?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/20 05:59 PM
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Because they're straight up wrong. They claim they want to be desired but also want to return to a time when the only reason most men got sex was because women were economically crippled and had to marry. They refuse to acknowledge that the average man has never ever been sexually desirable. The sexual revolution didn't change women's nature it just made it more obvious.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/20 05:57 PM
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Life isn't fair
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/20 05:50 PM
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Wtf are you talking about I regularly see posts & comments blaming feminism/the sexual revolution and saying women should "lower their standards" so average men can have sex
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/20 05:50 PM
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Because they're a bunch of whiny betas who blame women/society instead of looking at their own shortcomings
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/20 05:47 PM
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Why are you assuming they're caressing, kissing, hugging the woman and not just jackhammering for 30 sec with no foreplay
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/20 05:38 PM
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Nothing but it seems to me women who follow this rule are also assuming the guy is sexually exclusive with her during this 3mo period If you're fine with him pumping & dumping other women then you do you
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/20 08:38 PM
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Ah ok I misread your comment
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/20 07:11 PM
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I knew my BF for a year before we fucked. At first I had no romantic or sexual interest in him, but the more I got to know him, the more that interest developed I don't think this is what OP is talking about though? The "3 month" rule is when a woman already has romantic interest in a guy but wants to go on months worth of dates with him to vet him for a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/20 07:03 PM
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I don't follow FDS strategy I have slept with all my SOs very quickly. I think men are just underestimating how good women are at keeping secrets and changing their personalities to suit the kind of man they're seeking
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/20 06:53 PM
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But that's also contingent on her actually seeing it as a lie though. A lot of women don't think they are lying to their SOs they genuinely do not believe their past is relevant to their current relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/20 06:45 PM
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FDS doesn't want to date men who think the only value a woman can add to his life is sex
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/20 06:38 PM
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Do you think the men who waited 2 - 3 months weren't seeing anyone else, or do you think they fucked other women on the side while they waited for you
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/20 06:34 PM
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How would he find out? Any smart woman isn't going to blab about her prior sex life and if her friends like her they aren't going to either. I don't follow the 3 month rule myself but I think you're underestimating how easy it is to keep these things a secret
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/20 06:32 PM
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Women can lie
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/20 06:22 PM
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High quality for FDS = good husband material. High quality for TRP = men who can get lots of NSA sex The 3 month rule selects for the former and weeds out the latter. So yes for an FDS follower it would select for exactly the kinds of men she's looking for. The men who are complaining about the 3 month rule don't understand that FDS women do not want alpha TRP fuckboys.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/20 06:14 PM
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Because that scale was made by incels. There's like no difference between 7 through 9 and plenty of 5 - 6 women could be higher with the right makeup and hair.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/20 04:55 PM
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It's two different groups of men. There's probably an increase in young, urban men going to the gym and also an increase in older middle American men becoming fat.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/20 04:48 PM
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People these days live very sedentary lifestyles with shitty diets. Hitting the gym is sometimes the only activity they get. And for a man lifting is the fastest way to get a body that women are attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/20 04:38 PM
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OP is probably talking about women who were teens or young adults when this movie came out. It's definitely not popular among young women today.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/20 05:22 AM
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This is why I always laugh at the TRPers who claim a hedge fund manager (my ex-husband’s career) would bring a diner waitress around These dudes are all working class and have no idea how UMC proles operate. They won't believe me when I say most wealthy men care about their wife's education and background.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/20 12:14 AM
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I don't agree with the 3 month rule but this question is stupid. First of all a man who waits months to have sex with a woman isn't the type of man who's going to cheat on her with a hot neighbor. Second committing to a relationship for most people also includes monogamy. By asking to sleep with another woman he's breaking his commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/20 11:52 PM
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Bachelor's, possibly master's if it was a 1yr program or done while working Agree women with PhDs, law degrees, MDs, etc aren't becoming SAHMs
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/20 11:23 PM
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Ha it's fine I do the same thing when I get into long arguments with multiple commenters. It sounds like we agree with each other then 👌
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/20 10:34 PM
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I was specifically advocating against the scenario OP presented which is women waiting multiple months to have sex with a man. I do not see the point in doing that if you like sex and meet a man who you have sexual chemistry with. 2/4 of the men I've been with I slept on the first date, my fiance I slept with on the second (and that was mostly due to a timing issue). The only exception was my FIRST EVER relationship but I thing for both men and women their first time is different. My N count is …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/20 08:27 PM
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lmao you're kidding right? ugly men cheat all the time. AMALT
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/20 08:03 PM
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I don't have to go through 20 dudes I'm marrying the 4th guy I've had PIV sex with lol. And even if I wasn't I would never be able to wait months to have sex with someone I was attracted to because I have a high libido. I think it would also be a more time consuming search if you need to make time to fuck before each rejection Why would I need to fuck every single one of them? You know people vet for casual sex too? And I don't see how that takes any less time than going on dates with all 20 men…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/20 07:52 PM
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Depends on your social circle. It's a common trope for UMC women
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/20 06:04 PM
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As someone below pointed out it's women that might be intelligent in an analytical way but don't have "girl game"
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/20 05:49 PM
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Almost 27F, been with my fiance for close to 3.5 years. I've had 3 serious relationships (including current), 1 extended FWB, and a few casual encounters. I guess I've been lucky in that I've never had a bad experience with men. Even with my "shitty" ex our problems were mostly down to incompatibility. I also take a long time to get invested in people. The upside to that is it's easier to navigate the casual dating scene since I don't fall in love just because I've sex a couple of times with the…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/20 05:40 PM
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I know some educated women who became SAHMs but they didn't have kids until their 30s so they could spend their 20s building wealth & paying off debt. Also like you said they were married to wealthy men so they didn't have to downgrade their lifestyles.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/20 05:15 PM
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I was going to post almost the exact thing. Basically women that don't understand what men want.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/20 05:07 PM
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Sounds like I have different standards because just trying isn't enough for me
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/20 04:21 PM
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I don't think so fat people just date other fat people
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/20 04:17 PM
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Lol hamstering. Men who pump and dump can be perfectly good at sex. They just may not care about being good to the person they're P&Ding
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/20 03:57 PM
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No I mean DO NOT. If good sex was important to you then you'd filter out people who were bad at it ASAP. Why would I waste months on a guy who turns out to be shitty in bed?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/20 03:56 PM
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No Definitely no. Willingly having children without the legal and cultural protections of marriage is idiotic 20 - 30% maybe? Not the majority but a significantly larger amount than previous generations EDIT: 4. No
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/20 06:17 AM
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Lol fair enough. I just assumed for size queens it was also a feeling thing which you'd have to experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/20 06:03 AM
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I didn't say your opinion is wrong I'm saying you're wrong when people say "average attractiveness" they mean the literal statistical average.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/20 05:53 AM
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Possibly but any overlap would be small. It seems like you'd have to experience a lot of dick to be a size queen.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/20 05:50 AM
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I don't think these are the same groups of women EDIT: I mean the women who are size queens are not the same women making guys wait for sex
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/20 05:46 AM
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There's multiple people in this comment chain telling you you're straight up wrong lmao. Sorry you can't handle the truth
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/20 05:22 AM
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Hmm I definitely know some tall Beckies irl. They're the kind of women that tend to be tall and wide instead of tall and model-like
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/20 05:08 AM
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Your personal preferences are irrelevant. Stacy/Becky/normie is about what is generally considered attractive in the the SMP and in general a woman's height has no effect on that. I don't find blond men attractive but that doesn't mean there are no blond Chads. they'd both be Stacy-gnomes There's no such thing lol
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/20 05:05 AM
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No a Becky is a woman of average ATTRACTIVENESS. Height is irrelevant to a woman's attractiveness unless she's a gnome (<5'0) or a giant (>6'). By your logic Natalie Portman and Megan Fox are Beckies and Tilda Swinton would be a Stacy
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/20 04:44 AM
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Damn that's exactly what I was imaging
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/20 04:33 AM
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I really do think this depends on your social group tbh. LTRs starting as FWBs/casual relationships is the norm among my friend group. But like I said I hang out with a lot of slutty people.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/20 12:34 AM
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As I pointed out this hasn't been my personal experience. All my LTRs started out as casual sex and so have most of the other women I know. I suppose I understand if that hasn't been your experience you are more cautious about casual encounters
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/20 12:25 AM
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The problem her is I do not think the consequences of having (protected) sex outside a relationship are as big of a deal as the consequences of having drinks at work
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/20 12:06 AM
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We're arguing past each other here. I do not think the ramifications of having sex quickly are that big of a deal. Comparing it to condom-less with a person with STIs is crazy to me. I understand why if it's a big deal to you you may want to wait months to vet a man before having sex with him. But you also need to understand why from my perspective I would assume you do not enjoy sex that much.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/20 12:04 AM
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Nothing. I wouldn't find a guy hot if there's something about him that grosses me out
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/20 11:03 PM
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I believe people do this I just haven't encountered it myself. I think we just have very different experiences
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/20 10:55 PM
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I assumed she meant straight up skipping eating at all so you could have an extra slice of cake or something. I wouldn't call having a light breakfast/lunch as fasting.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/20 10:50 PM
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My position is simply someone who enjoys sex is open to it in more than one context (even if they might prefer something particular), therefore I have a hard time believing that a person has who has an explicit "no sex before x months" rule enjoys it
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/20 10:31 PM
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No
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/20 10:29 PM
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I do competitive pole dancing and work out like 5 - 6 days a week. Also I'm pretty good at intuitive eating for maintaining. I do have to count calories if I'm trying to lose or gain weight. So it's more like I have a fairly high TDEE from working out + I don't have a sweet tooth or fat/carb cravings so I don't really feel like I need to restrict myself to maintain
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/20 10:24 PM
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I thought you meant people who normally eat 3 meals a day but then randomly starve themselves so they can have a huge dinner. But yeah if you're always only eating dinner that's just IF.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/20 10:19 PM
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??? Why would I be debating anything except the argument that OP has presented???
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/20 10:17 PM
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I'm 27, does 3 years really make a difference? I just assumed it was having kids that threw things out of whack more than age
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/20 10:14 PM
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Bruh I have literally never heard my female friends talk about fasting so they could have a big dinner. Unless they're doing intermittent fasting but that's a totally different thing. I mean I'm sure it happens just not a thing I've experienced
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/20 10:13 PM
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That's very weird to me but you do you
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/20 10:07 PM
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What the fuck are you talking about OP's entire premise is about women who make men wait 3+ months for sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/20 10:06 PM
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People constantly do things like fast specifically to enjoy some rich food even more after. Lolwut. No they don't. If someone told me they starved themselves so they could eat cake I would assume they have an eating disorder. And why are your choices only extremely high quality food or dumpster diving? There are plenty of levels in-between. Sex is the same--its not either a string of ONS or a marriage. You can claim I'm projecting all you want but your line of reasoning still makes no sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/20 10:04 PM
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"Waiting for something" does not equal "delaying it". And no I cannot fathom why anyone who places a high value on sex in a relationship would not want to figure out sexual compatibility from the get go instead of waiting months.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/20 09:57 PM
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I'm making the same food analogies plenty of other commenters are making. I don't see how you can claim I'm the one projecting when you're making the argument that people are more likely to delay something they enjoy. This is definition of hamstering.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/20 09:52 PM
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You're the one making the weird argument that people who love something are more likely to delay doing it
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/20 09:49 PM
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Why would anyone delay something if they love it? This is most backwards hamstering logic I've been read Because they will get their mind blown and have to be sure not to get attached to a guy who will hurt her emotionally when he isn’t as intense about it You do not need emotional attachment to physically enjoy something. Do you fall in love every time you eat a really good steak?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/20 09:48 PM
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I would not say those women like the act of sex they like physical intimacy and emotional closeness
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/20 09:42 PM
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Yes. Why would you need exclusive commitment for sex if it's not a reward? I understand why you might only do it with someone you are comfortable with but you can get that out of an FWB.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/20 09:41 PM
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When did I claim they should have sex with anyone or anything? I'm saying I have a hard time believing someone enjoys an activity if they have an extremely specific set of conditions under which they will do it. They might prefer to only do it under these conditions but they will still enjoy it even if things aren't perfect. Someone who enjoys eating might prefer Michelin star restaurants but will probably also enjoy eating pizza. Someone who only enjoys eating at Michelin star restaurants canno…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/20 09:31 PM
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You can lose weight while also occasionally enjoying fast food. Just like you can have good LTRs while also occasionally engaging in casual meaningless sex. Thus it's perfectly logical to hold off sex so that I can vet the man. This is only logical if you do not place high value on sex in a relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/20 09:18 PM
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Yes and as I said in another comment I believe these women can enjoy having sex with a particular person. I just don't think they enjoy sex in general, otherwise they wouldn't need such specific conditions for it. Perhaps we're just arguing semantics.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/20 09:01 PM
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I don't think that's really the same thing. It's hard to claim someone doesn't enjoy doing something if they're always doing it without complaints.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/20 08:55 PM
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I agree. But I will also have sex without emotional intimacy if I just need to scratch the itch. Because I like sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/20 08:50 PM
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Because it's a debate sub lol?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/20 08:49 PM
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I think the problem may be that the definition of "enjoying sex" for someone who engages in casual sex is totally different than the definition for someone who only has sex in relationships
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/20 08:45 PM
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Yes and I'm saying that doesn't happen to me. I don't get invested in people until I've known them for a while. Whether or not I had sex with them is irrelevant. I had sex with my fiance on date two but didn't feel invested in the relationship until we had been dating for months. I mean that seems kind of a "you" issue if you're daydreaming of marriage just because the guy banged you.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/20 08:43 PM
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I will refer you to this comment which gives a better explanation/analogy of what I mean
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/20 08:30 PM
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Idk I'm a woman and have never felt this way. When I've been rejected by men I barely know it maybe stings for a few minutes and then I forget about it
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/20 08:14 PM
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Your beer analogy doesn't make any sense. The equivalent would be a guy who claims to "enjoy beer" but only drinks porters. That person does not enjoy beer in general--they enjoy porters. I'm not trying to "gatekeep" enjoyment I just have a very hard time believing anyone who needs an extremely specific set of conditions to do an activity actually enjoys that activity.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/20 08:13 PM
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I disagree. You cannot claim to "enjoy sex" if you can only have it with an HVM/W who is committed to you long term. A person who thinks of sex as a reward for a relationship does not enjoy sex. I enjoy having casual sex and at the same time Im not going to fuck every woman who's down I do not think you have to fuck every person who you share sexual attraction with. Obviously there are contextual boundaries that may apply. I wouldn't fuck a friend's recent ex, for example, no matter how much we …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/20 07:59 PM
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why?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/20 07:46 PM
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So you had sex with friends who you have known a long time but didn't end up in a relationship with. This isn't really what I mean by "casual" but fair enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/20 07:46 PM
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Did you make your casual partners wait 3 months too?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/20 07:43 PM
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Why? Do you fall in love with men the instant you meet them?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/20 07:42 PM
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You enjoy sex with a specific person. That is not the same as enjoying sex in general. Women (and men) who have casual relationships enjoy sex for the act itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/20 07:39 PM
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No. It means they enjoy being with someone they love. If they enjoyed sex--as in the pure physical act of sex itself--then it would not matter who they have it with as long as it is physically pleasurable. It's totally fine if a woman only wants to have sex in a committed relationship. But it is silly to claim you "enjoy sex" if you need a bunch of conditions around it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/20 07:37 PM
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If they like sex then what does it matter if they are pumped and dumped? Worst case they had a bad ONS. "Making sure the timing is right" is only something that women who are not in that into the act of sex itself would care about.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/20 07:32 PM
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Ooh spicy take
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/20 07:28 PM
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Then they can be SAHMs after they have children. I don't see why they wouldn't work before that though. Like I said most people are able to work full time while also doing domestic things.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/20 06:24 PM
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I actually want to hire a cleaner but they're like $250 - $300 for a house our size in this area and I'd rather spend that money on my hair 🤷
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/20 06:08 PM
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Yes so you've said before. Still cracks me up when I see 19yos refer to their of bf of 3 months as their "captain".
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/20 05:31 PM
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What reasoning is that?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/20 05:29 PM
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Right? Being a stay at home MOM is a full time job. Staying at home when you have no kids is just lazy.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/20 05:28 PM
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Both men and women these days do all that while also having full time jobs. Unless you have children or work 80+ hr weeks you have no excuse NOT to cook & clean regularly
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/20 05:26 PM
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Why do these women act like cooking and baking make them special magical snowflakes? I've known how to cook since I was started living by myself at 18. Most of the men I've dated could make basic meals too. You're not special because you can read Pinterest recipes.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/20 05:02 PM
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Most of the women on RPW these days are unmarried plates. That's the exact opposite of what being a tradwife is.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/20 04:56 PM
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A 22yr old has just barely started their first FT job their "life experience" isn't going to be much more than someone still in college
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/20 12:04 AM
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The average age difference is 2 yrs not 5. There isn't much of a difference in resources, life experience or masculinity between a 20yr old and a 22yr old.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/20 11:31 PM
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He is definitely fat in the 200lbs picture and yes he is near obese. That is not debatable it is literally a medical threshold. The only people who can be at that high weight and still be healthy are elite athletes/bodybuilders since much of their weight will come from muscle. I hope you never hit the wall. I come from a family of people who eat well and exercise so that shouldn't be a problem
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/20 11:27 PM
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You can't compare a shirtless pic with a clothed pic where he has his arms crossed. And even then yes the guy still looks like he has a gut.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/20 10:19 PM
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5'10 200lbs is 10lbs short of obese. It is nowhere near just "chubby". Americans have a very skewed view of what a normal weight is.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/20 10:03 PM
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question for women men answer Every time
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/20 09:17 PM
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Never. This isn't a thing that women do
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/20 09:13 PM
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Yeah that's what I thought. 200lbs at that height is huge.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/20 06:20 PM
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5'9" 200lbs The fuck. Is this really what the "average" man is like?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/20 06:12 PM
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Interesting. I always thought "alpha bucks" were men with mostly alpha traits but who chose to marry and have families. Hence they often end up cheating on their wives. Whereas a "high tier beta" is more on the beta side.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/20 04:18 PM
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I don't think they're alpha bucks. Alpha bucks are the kind of men who have mistresses or who trade in their first wife for someone younger.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/20 04:01 PM
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So? A man making a good wage who takes care of them IS high value to FDS posters. They don't care if a bunch of terps think their SO is "beta".
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/20 07:16 AM
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For me as long as we're spending approximately the same on each other I'm fine. I had an ex that spent way more on gifts than I did and it was really awkward.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/20 06:25 AM
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That's so odd to me. I've never asked my SO to spend money on me but he's definitely spent more than $1500 over several years of buying drinks, presents, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/20 06:17 AM
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I don't think my husband had spent $1500 on me for the entirety of our marriage. ... seriously? Over an entire marriage?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/20 06:06 AM
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HVM = high tier beta. Basically a guy with enough "alpha" traits to keep her sexually interested but enough beta/comfort traits to be good "husband material".
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/20 03:24 AM
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I still have a hard time believing it wasn't mostly your friends fault for being extremely picky. All of the very religious people I know were married by their early 20s to others in their community.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/20 11:39 PM
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Why didn't he just date one of the nominal or cultural Catholics? Why did he go straight from "devout Catholic" to "ONS club sluts"?? This sounds like it was 100% your friends fault for not being able to find a wife
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/20 11:23 PM
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Yes I'm know what dependas are lol. That's why I'm saying his experience has more to do with where he lives than AWALT.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/20 05:57 PM
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I've noticed sex industry work that doesn't involve sex (i.e stripping, dominatrix, etc) is becoming more acceptable among young people but there's still a big mental block around people who explicitly exchange sex for money. (And yes I know strippers and dommes sometimes sleep with their clients but that's more of a down low thing)
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/20 12:31 AM
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ok that makes sense. this problem is pretty outside PPD's paygrade. it's something you're going to have to tackle with your therapist over time.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/20 12:28 AM
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Have you ever talked to a therapist? It's ok to be cautious about who you have sex with but being this terrified about it is irrational
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/20 12:07 AM
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I grew up in the suburbs and that wasn't my experience at all. Women were either SAHMs or they worked full time. Granted it was a somewhat bougie UMC neighborhood. Single parents were almost unheard of.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/20 11:57 PM
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Every woman I know works 40 - 60 hour weeks, cooks, cleans their apartment/house, socializes, travels and regularly visits their family. That's the norm for single educated white collar professionals of either gender. If you're surrounded by women who do nothing all day that just tells me you live in a trashy neighborhood
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/20 11:54 PM
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I work in software and it's filled with the types of guys OP is talking about--asshole narcissists who are still unsuccessful with women because they look like total shit. If being a dick was all it took Richard Stallman would be swimming in pussy.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/20 10:00 PM
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Also when he's constantly confused for other people because he's so forgettable
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/20 09:50 PM
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Yes I think people who watched the movie and didn't read the book don't always get that. I loved the movie but it's not as obvious in it that he's completely delusional. It only hints at the very end when he does his monologue + conversation with the lawyer.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/20 09:49 PM
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Everyone forgets that Patrick Bateman was considered a weirdo by his peers
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/20 09:25 PM
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I'd dump him for visiting an escort Aside from that it depends on how "submissive" we're talking about. Handcuffs, blindfolds and face sitting are about the extend of what I'd be ok with indulging. And I would still expect him to be the dominant one most of the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/20 08:16 PM
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I didn't say they don't care at all I said they don't care as much as women think they do
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/20 07:49 PM
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Idk about that I know plenty of people who lost weight but still look average. I think progress pics on Reddit tend to be skewed since the most dramatic/attractive transformations are going to be the most highly upvoted.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/20 07:29 PM
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Men and women who "glow up" were always already attractive to begin with. They just had to lose weight, learn how to dress, etc. You can't outlift your bone structure.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/20 07:24 PM
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Men tend to overestimate their physical attractiveness. Women are socialized from birth about what men find attractive and whether we fit that standard, so we have a pretty realistic view of ourselves. Men often grow up being told that women do not care about their looks and have to find out the hard way this isn't true. Women tend to overestimate how much men care about their non-physical attributes. This is why you get women who whine guys don't like "successful" women, even though it's not ab…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/20 07:19 PM
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Like I said he can still get laid if he doesn't mention the baby. You don't need to tell your ONS and plates that you're dad. I'm assuming he is asking about how to retain his value as DATING material though.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/20 06:46 PM
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THIS HAPPENS ALL THE TIME No it only happens to trashy low value idiots. OP can still fuck women (as long as he doesn't mention the kid) but there are no attractive put together "girlfriend material" women his age who are going to want to date him.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/20 06:03 PM
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I grew up in the suburbs of a major city and my parents still had to commute TO the city for their white collar jobs. And there certainly weren't any single people in their 20s living there.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/20 07:56 PM
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I mean even STEMLords move to major cities. Most my CS friends went to Seattle, SF or NYC after college. I don't know anyone who went back to their hometown Maybe OP is from some tiny town where everyone marries their HS sweetheart and never leaves
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/20 07:27 PM
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The vast majority of people I know grew up in the suburbs and rural areas but moved to the city as an adult. You are out of touch.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/20 07:02 PM
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Wtf are you talking about no it isn't. Most white collar jobs still involve living in or commuting to a major city. Tulsa and Jacksonville don't count. Neither does being 30+ miles from the city center. No but Seattle, Chicago, DC, Denver, etc count. You are seriously out of touch if you think it isn't common for young millenials and gen Z to move to cities.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/20 06:56 PM
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INTJ high five ✋ Although my SO is INTP
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/20 03:09 AM
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Most women would rather have 9 cats and a really good vibrator than be forced to fuck unnatractive guys
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/20 10:30 PM
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Codemonkeys may not but engineers who graduated from Stanford or MIT certainly do.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/20 08:38 PM
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This isn't going to happen with regularity until women hold >50% of very high earning white collar jobs. Men still make up the majority of the top earning jobs so wealthy women (both the ones that earn their own money and the ones born into wealth) don't have any incentive to date down. I'm was born MC but I went to a highly ranked private uni and make a mid six figure salary at 27. It's really not that hard to find men who have similar levels of education and wealth as me. There's still far mor…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/20 08:37 PM
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4chan is full of pedophiles and weirdos lmfao their tastes say nothing about what normal men and women like
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/20 08:24 PM
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Tom Hiddleston is a qtpie fight me irl.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/20 07:48 PM
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Since when has anyone ever actually believed this? You'd have to be blind or stupid to not see there are some universal markers of attractiveness. Symmetry, height (in men), low WHR (in women), etc The "eye of the beholder" is more about preferences (i.e. blonde vs brunettes) than objective beauty
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/20 07:27 PM
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I mean I live in a major metropolitan city too and went to college in an even larger city. 🤷 Marriage/divorce rates are mostly correlated with class & wealth But you're right both HVWs and HVMs are rare and they usually congregate together
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/20 05:26 PM
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Men do the same thing lmfao. In fact men are statistically far more likely to cheat on an SO that's sick than women, and in general have higher rates of cheating. I only personally know one woman, out of hundreds, who went to college and came out with a husband. Almost every single woman I know married the guy she met in college or shortly after. This says more about your social circle than women. Rates of marriage for UMC/UC Americans are constant.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/20 05:07 PM
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No you're missing the point. No one cares if you don't want to date women. No one's going to try and change your beliefs.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/20 01:40 AM
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It's ok to be gay OP
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/20 01:14 AM
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Most of that 25lbs is baby and water. Hmm ok that makes sense. I was always confused why the recommended weight gain was 25 to 35lbs regardless of height because on short women that can be the difference between slim and significantly overweight.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/20 08:04 PM
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But that only applies to regular overeating. AFAIK during pregnancy a normal weight woman is supposed to gain ~25lbs regardless of what her height is. So it's still going to be harder for a short woman to lose that extra weight than a tall one.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/20 07:54 PM
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Depends on her height though. 20lbs of baby weight looks totally different on a 5'0" woman vs a 5'9".
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/20 07:39 PM
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Both. Ime it's less about gender and more about whether the person is into fitness/nutrition. The people I know who were physically fit single continued being that way in relationships. The people I know who were skinnyfat (or regular fat) single just got worse in relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/20 07:17 PM
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Yeah I think blonde + blue eyes is beautiful on women but it doesn't do much for me with men
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/20 06:53 PM
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Blond-haired blue-eyed guys are a non-starter for me, it's like I don't even see them. Me too!! I mean I've dated ONE blonde, blue eyed guy but he was a fluke. Pretty much every other man I've dated/banged/crushed on had dark hair and eyes. People don't believe me when I say I'm not into that phenotype
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/20 06:40 PM
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Well I'm a bougie bitch and don't run in social circles where I'd be interacting with men in literal poverty
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/20 06:04 AM
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This is just so odd to me
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/20 06:01 AM
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Not bad at all if that's what you're looking for
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/20 05:59 AM
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I'm not saying furniture is a requirement for ALL women. There are high sociosexuality club sluts who will sleep with a guy without even knowing his name. But OP is talking about women he's taking out on dates, and it seems obvious to me any woman that the effort of a date (even a coffee date) is going to be turned off by a mattress on the floor.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/20 02:47 AM
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Yes I don't care about the quality of furniture. Even I didn't have anything more expensive than IKEA until very recently. It's just the idea of not having any furniture at all that's baffling to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/20 02:14 AM
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I just answered but nice try
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/20 01:23 AM
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Did you reply to the wrong comment? And there is a huge middle ground between having throw pillows and having 0 furniture.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/20 01:21 AM
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Yes? Even random dudes I met off Tinder had the basics of a couch, tv, and bed. I am not kidding when I say I have quite literally never encountered a man with nothing but a mattress on the floor.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/20 01:20 AM
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Nah
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/20 01:13 AM
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It's what it represents. It means he gives absolutely 0 fucks about the woman's comfort and only someone extremely desperate would sleep with him. Also if a guy doesn't keep his place clean I automatically assume he has shitty hygiene as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/20 12:58 AM
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Because manchildren are an instant turn off for me. He could look like a Hemsworth brother and my vagina would still be dry.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/20 12:52 AM
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I have never been to a man's apartment where he didn't have the basics of a couch and a bed, even when I was dating in my teens/early 20s. If I saw he had nothing but a mattress on the floor I'd walk out and never contact him again.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/20 12:46 AM
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How the fuck is having furniture and cleaning some great revelation?? This is "how to be an adult" 101. The absolute state of men these days.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/20 12:34 AM
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ok boomer
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/20 11:13 PM
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That hasn't been my experience tbh it's always the guy who's asked me to be exclusive or started calling me his gf.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/20 09:09 PM
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What I've been told by cutes is that it doesn't work. That men don't chase anymore. That's not true at all. Men are definitely still the primary pursuers. I'm only 27 and I have never had to make the first move.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/20 07:30 PM
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Nothing. My parents are conservative foreigners who have no idea how the American dating scene works. I learned everything through observation of other women and trial & error.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/20 05:40 PM
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Oops I meant wouldn't. Typo
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/20 05:15 PM
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About the same as my LTRs. I wouldn't fuck or date a guy I wasn't very attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/20 04:44 PM
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I have always been intensely sexually attracted to the men I've been in relationships with. I cannot imagine dating someone if I did not sexually desire them.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/20 08:41 PM
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Some of it is perception yes. But there are men who will lose attraction the minute they learn she's over 30 (even if she looks younger).
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/20 07:56 PM
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All women hit the wall in their 30s because they no longer get an SMV boost simply for being young. It's just for Kate Winslet (and other very attractive women) it doesn't matter since their beauty, fame, etc overrides whatever small minus they get from being old.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/20 07:43 PM
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Details matter. In general my SO and I are comfortable with the other person having opposite gender friends. My fiance has a lot of female friends because he's attractive and easy to get along with. I have a lot of male friends because I work in a male dominated environment. However I would not be comfortable with him having a female friend he spends a lot of alone time, especially if that involved getting drunk and going clubbing. I'm sure he would feel the same if I had a male friend like this…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/20 07:08 PM
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I don't think my comment is incompatible with the PPD wiki definition. I was just clarifying the mechanisms behind it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/20 06:59 PM
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"The Wall" is the phenomenon where a women's inherent S/RMV becomes equal to or lower than men her own age, because she no longer gets the extra boost from being young. For societal reasons this is usually around her 30s. It doesn't mean she instantly becomes ugly or her overall SMV is drops. Kate Winslet is 44 but is still more desirable than 99% of men her age (or even younger).
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/20 05:02 PM
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He never said she had to give him a blowjob though, she offered it. If she didn't want she could have just kept upping the money offer (or skipped the weed altogether).
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/20 03:25 PM
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I'd either stay single or move to an area with more fit people
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/20 03:01 PM
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What's predatory about a consensual BJ?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/20 05:39 AM
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Ah yeah fair enough. I read the title and not the post lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/20 12:53 AM
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found ur perfect girl
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/20 10:05 PM
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How does that not have a function in society? Any ambitious high paying high stakes job requires assertiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/20 09:57 PM
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It's not even that. There are probably evopsych reasons behind why women choose the men they do. It's just women aren't consciously thinking about them. Men liked hourglass shape women but they aren't literally thinking "damn that 0.7 WHR is prime fertility".
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/20 09:41 PM
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gorilla warfare lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/20 08:53 PM
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And I disagree. Women and men both care about status AND class but one can make up for the other. I don't think we're going to get anywhere with this argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/20 08:46 PM
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I would not count men who married their wives before they were very famous as in that case they would have been marrying across in status. The real problem is that very wealthy women are still a minority so we can't predict what they'd do on a large scale. However in my anecdotal experience they aren't much different than men, in that they'll date down in wealth if their partners make up for it in other ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/20 08:43 PM
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Not even an attack, just speculating So you have no real arguments, got it Models have status. Make models with status also marry rich women. We just went over this.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/20 08:37 PM
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Quick Google search says a lot of those men met their wives before they were A listers.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/20 08:34 PM
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Wow personal attacks. Real convincing there. Women in particular care about social class. Men don't as long as she's hot. Wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/20 08:33 PM
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And far more attractive women than there are men with money Got statistics to back that up? Because not my experience at all No one sees the women when they're poor, they move up in class because of their looks. Men have to actually earn their class, and women in that class don't want newcomers, they want people who "belong" in that class unless they can't get any better You just said people can't change their class. So which is it?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/20 08:04 PM
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He is by far the exception
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/20 07:59 PM
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And most men don't have most of those things, far more women do Lol you're kidding right? There's far more men with money, high status jobs and/or advanced degrees than women. You're literally just making things up now. Only because there's only so many rich men to go around, and they usually don't find the models when they're dirt poor, they find them later. I don't see how this contradicts my points at all
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/20 07:56 PM
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A middle class doctor is never going to "belong" to the upper classes, his kids will because they grow up in it. An upper class woman is not going to see much in him. Upper class old money no but UMC women yes. Once again there are plenty of women who are fine "dating down" if the guy has other things to make up for it--money, status, looks, etc. Just like men. His situation is rare Yeah and so are the situations of most female models who marry rich men. Both men AND women rarely marry way up in…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/20 07:50 PM
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First of all, I said class OR status and the latter can be earned. A woman isn't going to turn down a doctor just because his family is middle class. Just like how top model earns status even if she was born poor. Second a model "makes up" for their lack of other prestige markers by being extremely attractive. Men can do this too--Jeremy Meeks was a felon and now he's married to a billionaire heiress.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/20 07:36 PM
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Top tier models are making millions a year. They're not dating some C Lister who does Forever 21 catalogues. Models come from every class. So can men with advanced degrees white collar jobs.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/20 07:17 PM
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How is it a moot point? You're implying that wealthy men date down in status but they don't. Their wives are top tier models or Ivy League graduates, just like the husbands of wealthy women.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/20 07:13 PM
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I mean it's rare for wealthy men to marry down in class too
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/20 06:59 PM
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Not ime. I know a lot of lady doctors, software engs, and other wealthy women and all of them are fine dating men who earn less than them. However I will say these women won't date down in class/status. Their SOs are still college educated white collar professionals.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/20 06:54 PM
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If we're talking purely about physical appearance then it depends on lifestyle. Wealthy women with good diets and access to top skincare can stay attractive well into their late 30s or even 40s. No one would say Morena Baccarin or Scarlett Johansson look "old" even though they're 40 & 35, respectively. On the other hand working class women who live a life of stress and hard drugs will slam into the wall at 25. If we're talking about SMP value then yes it starts declining around 30. Her fertility…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/20 06:41 PM
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Yeah but rich people can just buy their way out of convictions 🤷
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/20 04:30 PM
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POOR bad boys tend to be involved in criminal activities. Middle, upper middle, and upper class bad boys become white collar professionals in jobs that cater to charismatic people like real estate agent, doctors, executives, etc. Your ability to secure a stable job has more to do with your class background than whether you are "alpha" or "beta". And if anything the most successful men are UMC/UC guys with "alpha" personality traits.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/20 04:18 PM
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By bad boys I don't mean literal criminals I mean men who have the personality traits (assertiveness, extroversion, etc) that are attractive to women. Not morally "bad" men. You do not have to be a meek nerd to be a good person.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/20 03:53 PM
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I don't mean literal criminals I mean men with the personality traits that make then appealing to women--assertiveness, extroversion, etc. I'm using the term "bad boy" because OP seems to think the only people who end up with stable lives are meek nerds.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/20 03:06 PM
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For sure. Unnatractive people if either gender will have a hard time getting the relationship they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/20 04:01 AM
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Not necessarily trusts funds but they do have some sort of financial safety net like their parents paying for college or getting a job through social connections. And even if a guy a middle class beta there are women who are looking for stable relationships in their teens & 20s. They're just not going to be super hot Stacy party girls.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/20 03:52 AM
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Yeah that's my point. OP (and many other men on Reddit) seem to have this perception that you can either be a Chad party boy asshole or a hard working STEM beta provider. But there's plenty of Chads that mature and end up good husbands and fathers, and engineer nerds who are assholes.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/20 02:31 AM
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UMC/UC Chads definitely do. Or at the very least they decide to start building a family around their early 30s.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/20 01:21 AM
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Women "settle" for the same bad boys they dated as teens and early 20-somethings. It's just these bad boys got more mature as they got older, just as most people mature. Idk why men on Reddit seem to think only STEMLord nerds can be good husbands and fathers.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/20 01:12 AM
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The all over blonde was just too damaging on my natural pitch black hair. 😔 Nowadays I keep it in a balayage for a similar feel.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/20 12:51 AM
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the ones about leaving yellow stains on the sheets 🤢
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/20 10:17 PM
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Yes but not towards me. Watching my SO get angry at other people is a turn on.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/20 10:08 PM
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I have literally never dated a man who had skidmarks. Where are these women finding men who don't know how to wipe their ass??
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/20 10:05 PM
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Not me but my favorite instance of this: https://amp.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/1y6lhe/what_is_the_worst_thing_someone_has_said_to_you/cfhtedq
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/20 09:39 PM
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I had absolute shit tier bleached at home blonde hair in college and got SO MANY compliments on it. If the upkeep wasn't so expensive I'd do it again professionally.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/20 09:36 PM
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Well I do pole fitness now so my "gym" is 95% women and 5% gay men When I was lifting and went to commercial gyms it was probably 70:30 men to women
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/20 09:15 PM
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Ye I mostly followed this recipe: https://www.halfbakedharvest.com/roasted-butternut-squash-and-spinach-lasagna Except I used sour cream instead of ricotta and whatever white cheeses I had lying around instead of the exact ones in that recipe.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/20 07:39 PM
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Totally fair point and it's true that not all millenial women are like this. I'm younger millenial (born '93) and figured out pretty quickly that men don't like fat women with bad fashion lol. But I think at the same time a lot of people don't want to see the real world and remain stuck in their delusion. And when you have celebrities/media/whatever preaching body pos people will ignore the reality in front of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/20 07:19 PM
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Not necessarily there are asexual men.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/20 07:08 PM
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Doesn't matter what it was meant to be. Telling people they are perfect the way they are sets them up for a life of delusion and disappointment.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/20 07:05 PM
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Tinder might amplify the issue but it certainly didn't cause it. I remember the body positivity stuff starting around the time I was in high school and Tinder didn't take off until my early 20s.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/20 06:56 PM
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If we completely changed biology and women were the ones with higher libidos and the primary pursuers then yes they would be salty about not getting laid. But OP is asking this question through the lens of the current SMP, and in the current SMP women mostly don't care about getting laid they care about relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/20 06:54 PM
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It's because the body positivity movement told every fugly millenial teenager she was perfect jUsT tHe wAY sHe iS. "Born This Way" by Lady Gaga was the #1 song around the time I graduated high school. I think gen Z will do better though, I already see some of my younger female friends being more realistic about this.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/20 06:47 PM
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I made a dank vegetarian lasagne yesterday and I'm pretty proud of myself 👌 wish I had taken pics
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/20 06:35 PM
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Obviously stay true to myself and get more sex toys. Women don't care about "getting laid" lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/20 06:27 PM
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Most people in the world prefer light colored eyes. I get where you're coming from--blue eyes do nothing for me either--but we're in the minority.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/20 05:42 PM
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I'm Gen Z/millenial and most of my married friends met their SO in college 🤷 We're not from a small town either. Might be outliers though.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/20 03:10 PM
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Looks like the most common is actually through friends: https://flowingdata.com/2019/03/15/shifts-in-how-couples-meet-online-takes-the-top-spot/ Although that could still be while they were in college since most people meet their future partner in their 20s. Anecdotally most my friends met their spouses while in undergrad or grad school.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/20 03:08 PM
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Yes because that is literally the definition of a minority.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/20 05:26 AM
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Yes it is?? It's not as small but still a minority
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/20 05:21 AM
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Yes 7% is a minority lol
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/20 05:18 AM
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Yes no one has ever argued men don't date younger woman that is a fact. The issue is terps who claim men are regularly settling down with woman >10 (or even >5) years younger because this is a tiny minority.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/20 04:57 AM
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The congregation around <=1 yr apart is because most people meet their SOs in school and end up dating people in the same class year.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/20 04:56 AM
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I would say many younger women don't see older men as serious dating prospects either. When I was going out with men 10+ years older in my late teens and early 20s I treated them purely as potential FWBs. If I wanted a serious relationship I looked at men at my college or within my social circles. A friend of mine has been dating a guy 15yrs her senior for a few years and she's made it very clear she has no intention of ever marrying or cohabitating with him. I agree with the rest of your post t…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/20 12:28 AM
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High value men who actually want to settle down and start a family are already taken by their 30s.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/20 07:36 PM
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in what world do women value male virginity lol
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/20 01:30 AM
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Yeah I'm not debating that lol
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/20 01:13 AM
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Yes that's actually a good way of putting it. Being much older decreases a man's value partner so he has to have other things to make up for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/20 01:05 AM
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God that sounds fucking awful. Although I'm the kind of person who could never do an LDR.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/20 11:04 PM
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Did you actually read my comment? I don't think there's anything wrong with it from a moral standpoint. However I am personally viscerally disgusted by much older men hitting on me (except maybe if they are VERY hot and famous) and you can't logic someone out of what they feel.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/20 10:38 PM
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I'm obviously talking about AVERAGE 40yo men lmao. Not 0.1% Chad celebrities.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/20 10:12 PM
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"Gross" does not equal "immoral". I do not think there is anything wrong with women in their 20s dating men 40+. However I, as a 26yo woman, am still grossed out by men old enough to be my dad hitting on me.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/20 09:27 PM
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I knew a couple of women who had sugar daddies. No one who had sex for drugs though. I don't think it's that common among UMC/UC women because they're going to marry into money anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/20 07:58 PM
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I do not believe a man who can have 5 - 6 women on rotation is going to waste several months pretending to like a girl just to get revenge on her. That comment is an incel fantasy.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/20 10:31 PM
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No I'm saying the comment quoted in the OP is delusional.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/20 10:12 PM
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What kind of retard spends 3 months pretending to like a woman just for petty revenge?? Not to mention all the money you waste since FDS requires you pay for the first few dates There isn't a single high value man with options who does shit like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/20 10:06 PM
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Yeah I used to be pretty fat in high school but got asked out all the time because I have a cute face
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/20 04:21 PM
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No
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/20 03:22 PM
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Do you live in a small town? That's crazy to me
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/20 02:40 AM
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I knew people who were "dating" from 6th grade but they were week to month long relationships and I doubt it went beyond kissing. Most people I know started having serious, sexual relationships at 14 - 17.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/20 11:40 PM
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This was originally going to be my alt for beauty related subs but then I found PPD 🤷
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/19 11:09 PM
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why are men on Reddit so obsessed with anal
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/19 11:07 PM
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4 28E Idk what the last question means
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/19 09:22 PM
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Aww. My SO's cat and mine were fine with each other when we introduced them as adults but they're both pretty easy going
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/19 08:28 PM
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At least buy me dinner first damn
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/19 08:27 PM
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Chinese tbh it's incredibly grating to my ears
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/19 08:26 PM
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Wish I had a 6 billion foot bf
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/19 08:24 PM
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Will you ever get another cat?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/19 08:20 PM
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AMA
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/19 08:19 PM
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Weebs need to be gassed
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/19 08:15 PM
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Lmfao
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/19 08:14 PM
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People who are unsuccessful at dating/relationships are the most likely to endlessly bitch about it yes
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/19 08:07 PM
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Pestering is not coercion
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/19 07:58 PM
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Yes everyone is responsible for themselves. Which is why if a man is making me uncomfortable I avoid him not continue to stay in the situation like an idiot. There is nothing in this situation, as OP describes it, that prevents her from doing that.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/19 05:16 PM
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I'm crying
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/19 05:05 PM
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Because I'm uncomfortable? Why the fuck would I continue hanging out alone with a man that was disrespecting boundaries
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/19 04:02 PM
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I've been in this scenario before too and I just got up and left because I'm a grown woman not a helpless child.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/19 04:00 PM
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Ok I'll give you the heated toilet seats and bidets are sweet. Voice control I can live without. Part of my aversion is I have friends who work on IoT and I know from their accounts what absolute shit the security on those devices are.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/19 03:46 AM
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Gonna second this entire comment. Except I don't want a smart home I find them creepy.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/19 03:32 AM
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This is how you become a mommy bang maid
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/19 02:34 AM
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Did he have IBS? Kind of sucks for the dude
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/19 02:27 AM
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Idk about the legal definition, I'm not a lawyer. Are you sure your friends were being truthful? The current mainstream view is "no means no" and any nuanced opinion is deemed as victim blaming. If one of my friends was in the above scenario and told me she was coerced I would be supportive and validate her feelings, even if in my head I wouldn't actually consider it coercion. I'm reminded of this SNL skit about the Aziz Ansari article: https://youtu.be/evWiz6WRbCA
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/19 01:57 AM
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Just because someone feels a certain way does not make it objective reality, which is what your OP is asking. I understand why a woman would feel violated in the above scenario. Of course you're going to feel gross having reluctant sex with a guy you're not that into. That doesn't mean she was actually violated.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/19 01:41 AM
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Are there even any 1%ers in this sub? I think most of these answers are going to be total speculation
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/19 01:21 AM
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This sub's views don't align with mainstream libfem rhetoric.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/19 01:03 AM
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Well yes in the current atmosphere it's obviously better for men to just stick to the "no means no" mantra. That doesn't absolve the woman in this scenario of personal responsibility nor does it mean the way we talk about consent right now is correct.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/19 12:57 AM
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I've seen parts of it and know what it's about, I've just never watched an episode all the way through
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/19 12:52 AM
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I've been in this scenario a few times before and not once has a guy stopped me from leaving. Most men aren't rapists or murderers. And if you think they are then you shouldn't be hanging out with strange men alone to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/19 12:43 AM
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It's not coercion because she should have just left after the second time he tried. Unless he's using physical force I don't see what's preventing her from actually enforcing her boundaries.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/19 12:35 AM
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Not really cringe but just weird. First date with a guy I met off OLD. At some point during the date I mentioned I'd never seen an episode of Cops all the way through. The guy was absolutely floored. He literally spent the next 15 - 20 minutes interrogating me about it as if it were impossible to have never seen Cops and I must have been lying to him. One of the most bizarre conversations I've ever had.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/19 12:28 AM
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Did he spin plates when he was younger? Because many on TRP would not consider him alpha otherwise. And some would even say a man who settled down is no longer alpha. Which is my original point. The qualities women seek in HVMs are not the same qualities which men use to judge other men. Arguing whether FDS women end up with an "alpha" or "beta" is dumb to begin with since the criteria is totally different depending on your perspective.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/19 12:00 AM
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Any man who is a good provider and husband is a beta male in the TRP sense. I don't mean this in a disparaging way. What TRP defines as "alpha" would be considered a fuckboy or abuser by most women.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/19 11:48 PM
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I'll give you that I have no idea if FDS will be successful in the long run. I occasionally read the sub and even the few commenters who claim to be married haven't been with their SO for more than a few years.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/19 10:37 PM
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But what is considered an HVM to FDS is not the same as what is an HVM to TRP. Women who follow FDS prefer rich beta males that will let them lead the relationship. What is considered "high value" to TRP (a guy who spins plates) is in many ways the opposite of what an FDS woman would want.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/19 10:17 PM
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What do you mean by that? I am realistic about male nature but I do not think the entirety of that gender is inherently good or bad. It is what it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/19 09:39 PM
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No they weren't. Housewives have always been a luxury only UMC/UC people could afford. Every other class of women worked. It's just they did "women's work" ie seamstress, nurse, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/19 02:26 AM
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26F. When I'm in a relationship I think about sex all the time with my SO. When I'm single I rarely think about it at all. I've heard this is common with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/19 03:25 PM
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Wish I was a bonobo
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/19 12:55 PM
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I got stood up and ghosted once by a guy I met through OLD. It felt pretty shitty at the time but it was a first date so I got over it quickly. I've never stood someone else up because that's just shitty. If I'm not feeling it I'll let them know.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/19 12:50 PM
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Same give me that dark haired witty anti-hero any day
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/19 01:34 PM
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10 - 15 years when someone is already in their late 30s is not an "age gap relationship". OP is talking about women in their 20s dating men 40+.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/19 03:42 PM
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Tbf if she's Asian it's possible her parents were pressuring her to marry and she just chose the most inoffensive guy she could find
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/19 03:05 PM
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Oh I see what you mean. I thought you were using "best she can net" in a sarcastic way
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/19 02:17 PM
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I assume, since I don't speak for women, that "last romance" means she's got the best dude she can net. I thought it was the reverse--a dude that fucked many women and has many options but one of them finally stole his heart. Both scenarios in the OP quote are very idealized, unrealistic versions of love.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/19 02:00 PM
4

Very true
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/19 01:34 PM
26

Cats are less work than men
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/19 07:19 AM
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They are infinitely more attractive partners with at least some social trappings and a little baggage than a 40+ childless single man. If you're looking for a relationship, sure. These qualifies are irrelevant for casual sex though. Idk what their long term game is. I assume they either settle or go MGTOW.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/19 06:47 AM
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TRP is explicitly against marriage. Many RP men (at least the ones on PPD) already did the marriage + kids thing, got divorced, and now explicitly focus on ONS/FWB/non-marriage LTRs. It is also definitely possible for a man in his 40s to have a CASUAL relationship with a woman in her mid-late 20s as both men and women have less hang ups about age when it comes to casual dating. You are correct that the best marriage quality men and women will be shipped up in their 20s to people close in age.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/19 06:37 AM
3

I've never had a strict timeline. I've been in relationships that were commited after a few dates and ones where we were non-exclusive for many weeks. The sticking factor is if I am ready for commitment but he isn't then I move on. Waiting around for a guy who has made it clear he doesn't want a relationship is for beta women.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/19 05:13 AM
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No they don't. Most of them come from UMC to UC households. Gates, Bezos, Zuckerberg all came from rich families. Your example is an exception.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/19 04:38 AM
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There are no MC people who reach that level of wealth in their lifetime
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/19 02:07 AM
3

I disagree. LMC, MC & UMC are all part of the working class and I think it is definitely possible for people to flow within these levels on their lifetime. Especially if they become rich (or poor) early in life. I don't think it's the same as the jump from working class to bourgeoisie which requires significant inherited wealth.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/19 05:20 PM
2

Fair enough I was just going by what the previous poster said in his comments
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/19 05:11 PM
1

I think I misinterpreted your comment. I agree an individual cannot go from UMC to UC but a family can through accruing generational wealth.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/19 05:07 PM
1

This was my exact thought as well haha
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/19 04:18 PM
1

Oh I read that as "Grandpa" not great great grandpa. Yeah if you haven't had access to intergenerational wealth in several generations you are not UC. By that logic I could claim I was royalty because one of my ancestors was a king.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/19 03:48 PM
1

I wish
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/19 03:14 PM
1

Well he could have grown up UC but their kids would not be without access to that wealth. Class is money + attitude
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/19 03:12 PM
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I make like $400k/year and will be a millionaire by my early 30s if that's not UMC idk what is I mean there's two people in the comments who grew up UMC and definitely seems to have a good idea of what dating in that class is like. I grew up MC but have a lot of UMC friends (from my private college) and reached UMC pretty early in life so I feel like I have some idea of dating in that class.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/19 03:02 PM
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His logic makes no sense lol. The change from UMC to UC happens when you have several generations of enough inherited wealth where the recipients don't have to work.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/19 02:58 PM
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Yeah I feel like my lifestyle and income now is well into UMC. As someone else pointed out I never have to think about "can I afford this" it's more "should I buy this". I think there are several people here who either grew up or are currently pretty wealthy
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/19 02:48 PM
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I'm 26 and have traveled to multiple countries and have hundreds of thousands in stock. I also went to a private school with my tuition paid by scholarships and my parents. I've done pretty much everything on the UMC list except have rental property but that's something I expect to have in my 30s. I also don't have a nanny or maid atm because I don't have kids. My parents who are too old to clean their house all the time hire a maid though.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/19 02:04 PM
1

Oh really? I haven't looked into college stuff in close to a decade so I'm probably out of the loop 🤷
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/19 05:43 AM
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Most private schools provide really good financial aid to those who need it. I think we're talking about people who aren't poor enough to qualify but aren't rich enough to pay full tuition for their kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/19 05:36 AM
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I think it can be useful if you go to an Ivy League or Ivy equivalent (i.e. Stanford). The brand name can make a major difference in your salary and ability to get employment. Doesn't make as much sense for places like USC or Duke though. They're good schools but not $200k in loans good.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/19 05:17 AM
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Ooh yeah college loans are another big one. I don't know any UMC kids who didn't have their parents paying for their college.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/19 04:48 AM
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UMC cares more a about prestige wrt education and job title. Going to a state college can be looked down upon. MC generally does not care as long you're paying the bills UMC women have the luxury of being SAHMs with nannies and maids. MC women either have to be dual income to afford kids or they are SAHMs but doing it by themselves. MC Americans do not travel internationally very much (not counting driving to Canada or Mexico) Saving for retirement is a totally different game. MC Americans have …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/19 04:36 AM
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I got teased for having a big bum (in relation to the rest of my body) as a preteen and then several years later they were all the rage. Body type trends are weird.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/19 03:43 AM
3

Really? I liked Fight Club. I agree remaking it with an all female cast is retarded and completely undermines what the original book/movie was about though.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/19 02:02 PM
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Someone said the same thing further down
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/19 07:33 AM
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No that's the norm among the UMC women I know.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/19 07:28 AM
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I don't think it's very common for women though because they marry up and UMC raised women will have access to rich men through their uni and social circles. The girl who ends up becoming a secretary will marry her dad's friend's doctor son or the guy studying to be a lawyer she met at her Ivy League school.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/19 06:03 AM
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Most of the single mom stereotypes seem to be about the former tho
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/19 06:01 AM
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I had a 30-something FWB in my early 20s and while I don't think he was whipped I definitely felt like I had the upper hand in the relationship. He also paid for everything even though I definitely made more money than him lol. I think people in general will act very beta when they feel like they're dating someone out of their league.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/19 04:01 AM
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Most people don't start out settling it's just over time you can lose attraction if both of you don't put effort into the relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/19 03:52 AM
4

You want your SO to be fat and poor?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/19 03:28 AM
2

What kind of single moms are you talking about? There's a big difference between "22yo who for knocked up by their babby daddy" and "40yo UMC divorcee"
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/19 03:06 AM
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What are their lifestyles like though? I know people my age like that too but usually they're still living the UMC life thanks to Mommy and Daddy funding them.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/19 02:57 AM
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UMC women with mediocre jobs just marry rich men or have trust funds. Class absolutely passes down it is very rare for people to end up a lower class than their parents.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/19 02:46 AM
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None of these professions are inherently attractive. Women's panties don't get wet based on a guy's job. However being a CEO, lawyer or surgeon can add prestige points if you're trying to date a UMC/UC woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/19 01:37 AM
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Yay glad things are going well!
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/19 06:59 PM
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I would say it's less about money and more about status, although the two are correlated. Women look down on blue collar jobs even though you can earn six figures from some of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/19 06:58 PM
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Yeah I think you're living in a bubble. The personality types that get into software tend to be neuroatypical and not representative of the larger population.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/19 05:51 PM
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Software nerds are nowhere near representative of normal extraverted UMC/UC men. I say this as a software eng working in big tech myself. Men in prestigious wealthy professions like lawyers, doctors, etc absolutely care about what their SOs look like.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/19 05:33 PM
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Lmao no men of all classes think like this. "High iq" don't make me laugh
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/19 05:19 PM
6

What gravy train? You think a man like this would stop being super frugal just because he got married?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/19 05:05 PM
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It's embarrassing for a man to have a gf that's less attractive than he is. And men definitely get an ego boost from other men saying their gf/wife is hot.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/19 04:59 PM
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Idk any women in real life who complain about beauty standards. It seems to be the purvey of internet SJWs and social media influencers looking for brownie points. Most of us just accept that men will follow their dicks.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/19 04:28 PM
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My fiance had no idea how much I made until we moved in together (~2yrs into the relationship) and the full extent of my wealth until after engagement. That being said I was never a massive penny pincher or pretended to be broke. I've payed my fair share of everything and even treated him at times. It's one thing to not want a new SO to know how much money you have and another to straight up lie about being broke. The latter is incredibly shitty and I would not date a man like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/19 04:17 PM
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OP isn't asking about high school vs adulthood though, he's asking about early/mid 20s vs late 20s/30s. If you're not conventionally attractive by your 20s you likely never will be.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/19 08:06 AM
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Well I'm getting married next year so I would consider that a success at my current point in life.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/19 04:28 PM
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Yes, wrt LTRs I think it's "relationship minded people are more likely to delay sex" rather than "delaying sex leads to longer/better relationships". Personally I think people should have sex whenever they feel comfortable and there is no right time. As far as the cohabitation = divorce thing, I think Atlas's comment about relationship inertia is the most accurate.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/19 04:14 PM
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The burden of proof lies on the person presenting the argument which in this case is OP. They've shown several correlations but no actual PROOF of causation. As several other people in this thread have pointed out there are many other factors that could explain the results of said studies such as: Unnattractive people being less likely break up since they have no other options Relationship inertia/societal expectations causing people to get into marriages they shouldn't have A correlation betwee…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/19 03:58 PM
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And correlation does not equal causation. Where in your studies does it show quick sex or cohabitation directly leads to no LTRs
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/19 03:51 PM
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I've fucked all my long term SOs within the first few dates (except my high school bf). My fiance and I fucked on date 2. It's totally fine if you want to wait for sex but ime I haven't had an issue with getting commitment because I fuck quickly.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/19 03:06 PM
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I think the shampoo is great but idk if the conditioner or styling products are. I find SheaMoisture products work better for my hair when it comes to conditioning
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/19 01:16 PM
1

Traditional conservative
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/19 01:15 PM
1

They're equivalent
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/19 03:00 AM
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But your latter point is less about how much money the guy makes and more about the income disparity between him and his SO. By that logic if a guy wants to be an alpha he just needs to date women making min wage.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/19 02:35 AM
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Most men have the ability to get into six figure salaries which is enough to get attractive young women to like you
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/19 02:26 AM
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No I was agreeing with you. If Trump is a TRP alpha then TRP is a joke.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/19 02:25 AM
3

If Trump is an alpha then TRP philosophy is useless since the only thing that matters wrt women is money
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/19 02:20 AM
1

Yeah and I don't think it's even that much. Maybe a few hundred women with weird fat old man fetishes.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/19 02:17 AM
1

There are thousands of those Nice delusion
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/19 02:11 AM
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A TRP alpha is a man who is sexually desirable to women. A man who only gets laid because when has money is not sexually desirable and therefore not alpha.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/19 02:10 AM
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Ah yes I totally forgot about the thousands of young women who don't think Trump is a fat, gross old man and are totally sexually attracted to him
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/19 01:58 AM
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Even non-model women would not fuck him if he didn't have money
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/19 01:54 AM
2

dat ass
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/19 01:39 AM
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A man who has to pay for sex is not an alpha by TRP definition.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/19 01:20 AM
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I'm liberal but not far left (still a capitalist pig). Red pill philosophy to me is mainly about dating dynamics. I find the trend of aligning it with political positions to be weird. I also think "red pill tradcon" is an oxymoron.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/19 01:18 AM
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Being insecure and immature doesn't make you a beta does it? Lol yes. This is the definition of a beta cuck. Alpha men are confident in themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/19 01:09 AM
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A man with a normal male libido who is also sexually desirable to many women isn't going go celibate for weeks just to wait on one woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/19 12:52 AM
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Never happened to me either. When I bang a man and there's mutual romantic interest we end up in a relationship. If the interest is one sided I next him. If there is no interest from either side but we like the sex and each other's company it ends up with a short term FWB situation. Women who end up in "situationships" aren't suited for casual sex. If you're going to have sex quickly you also need strong boundaries and the assertiveness to next men who aren't giving you what you want. People lik…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/19 12:41 AM
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"Everyone who disagrees with me is an incel"
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/19 12:23 AM
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Of course the rule works. Men who use the 3 date rule aren't looking for a relationship, they're looking for NSA sex. A woman who doesn't sleep with him by date 3 isn't the kind of slutty, low inhib woman he's looking for and therefore it would be pointless to spend more time on her.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/19 11:58 PM
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Pretty sure attractive high sex drive but no casual sex is close to 0% of men lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/19 03:09 PM
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Just because a woman wants to wait for sex doesn't mean she's playing games. Lots of women need to get to a know a guy before they feel comfortable being sexual with him.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/19 03:07 PM
1

Ye
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/19 02:32 PM
2

No I'm south Asian lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/19 02:18 PM
2

There is no universal definition of an HV man, it just depends on perspective. For me an HV man is a guy who is masculine, attractive, fun and good at sex. I don't care about providership capabilities because I make more money than most men ever will. I have slept quickly with all my LTRs including my fiance. TRP will say no high value man will wait 3 months for sex, do you agree? "High value" from an FDS perspective is a guy who is good marriage material. A high RMV/med-low SMV man will definit…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/19 01:08 PM
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The "rules" are specifically tailored to a certain type of person but they aren't universally applicable. The 3 date rule is useful for men who are constantly friendzoned, because it ensures they aren't wasting time on women who won't fuck them. It's irrelevant to a man who has no problem obtaining sex. A man with options can choose to wait for a particular woman because he probably has plenty of others on the side. The 3 month rule is useful for women who get constantly fuckzoned, because it en…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/19 12:42 PM
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I fucked the man I'm marrying on the second date 🤷
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/19 12:23 PM
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Every single one of my relationships I fucked in < 3 dates, including fiance, and regardless of how I met them (OLD vs irl). Good sex is important to me and I don't want to waste time on a guy who turns out to be a dud in that department. If a guy made me wait 3 months for sex I'd assume he has a micropenis.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/19 12:31 AM
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Ok but there still aren't significant gender differences in head hair
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/19 12:10 AM
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Ye I would get it if we lived in California but not the PNW lol
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/19 11:47 PM
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Not really, and certainly not enough for it to matter if men use women's beauty products or vice versa I shave with men's razors all the time because they're cheaper.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/19 11:39 PM
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Yeah I have face wash I was just confused why using it in the shower is different from using it over the sink lol
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/19 02:44 AM
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How am I disproving myself? Men can have thick and/or curly hair too.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/19 02:21 AM
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Dread game is just about being the best option your SO has. In a relationship it should be mostly passive--staying fit, proper grooming, etc. Most women already naturally practice dread and men should too. If your SO is insecure because you're attractive that's their issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/19 01:34 AM
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I feel like most hair products are gender neutral these days. The stuff I use (DevaCurl) comes in generic green & white bottles for example. Shampoo/conditioner combos suck because they're usually more shampoo than conditioner. Plus you might need different amounts of conditioner depending on your hair type (I have long curly thick hair so I use 2 - 3x as much conditioner as I do shampoo).
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/19 01:28 AM
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You can find unscented stuff in the women's aisle too. Lots of us don't like scented products because they're irritating.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/19 01:16 AM
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You know hair products aren't gender specific right
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/19 12:08 AM
5

My fiance also said it was for water conservation but that made zero sense since neither of us grew up or currently lived in places with a water shortage. I told him if he cared that much we could install low flush toilets.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/19 12:07 AM
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No
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/19 12:03 AM
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Ok that makes sense! I shower every day so I just wash my face in the shower
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/19 12:00 AM
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When my SO and I first moved in together he wouldn't flush the toilet after peeing and leave the stale pee there for hours. 😐 Fortunately that stopped after I yelled at him the first time I found it. Aside from that his hygiene is fine. I haven't experienced any other egregious hygiene habits when dating men but like many of the women here I have noticed a lot of men suck at personal grooming. Things like having dry hair, bad or meh skin, wearing the same clothes all the time...Granted I just de…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/19 11:59 PM
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What's wrong with only washing your face in the shower?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/19 11:48 PM
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Are you illiterate. Where in my comment did I say anything about high school sweethearts
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/19 12:19 PM
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