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He said he only dates supermodel gorgeous women Well there's the issue. I guess he manages this because he's very charismatic and that's why you keep thinking about him. He has the ability to make people feel good so they want to be around him. That's a rare gift. Unfortunately it seems he's using it to sleep with loads of women and leave a trail of disasters behind him. I'm sorry that happened and it's unfortunate that in the era of online dating it's increasingly common. Guys who have looks or…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 08:14 AM
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That doesn't mean he doesn't want you. Like is he turning heads in the street? Are random women flirting with him? Probably not, that happens to very few guys and you still like him. So unless he has a history of chasing very attractive girls he's likely looking for someone who her gets along with and is attractive to him and proximity leads to attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 07:58 AM
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I get it and we're all going to look a bit shit on a phone cam while we're being slobs for the evening. You're not in the catagory of invisable. You're just normal. so you're likey not going to turn heads in the street but few people do. I don't think your looks are a real barrier to dating but yeah you can't just get any guy you want like some girls.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 07:46 AM
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https://bashify.io/i/3PxLPL I think you just need to do your hair and make up.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 07:21 AM
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And not all guys have the abilty to magiclly change their personality to be charasmatic and successful. I worked in sales jobs in my early 20s and the people who made the most sales were: A) guys who just had a gift at talking B) attractive women particually women with large breasts C) Tall men Women pretend like looks don't matter because guys can have other qualities the issue is people are born with these qualities just like they're born with looks. You don't choose to be born with medicore i…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 07:08 AM
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No that's exactly what I'm saying. You can get a casual relationship from a better guy than you can get a committed relationship from. Just like how I can rent an airbnb that's much nicer than the house I own. So it's a matter that women have spent far to much time in airbnbs and now the houses they can afford to buy all seem a bit shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 05:38 AM
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No it's a matter that you can get a situationship with a guy you can't get a committed relationship from. I can afford to get an airbnb in an area I can't afford to buy.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 12:58 PM
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Same reason women shame men who pay for sex workers or simp for onlyfans girls. It's gross behaviour. It's both sexes saying "this behavour is gross and I don't want to see it become normal as it makes life worse for everyone" The "but how does it personally effect you" is nonsense because culture effects everyone. Women don't want prostitution normalised because they don't want prospective partners thinking it's okay because the culture says it is. Men don't want women on onlyfans for the same …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 11:37 AM
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right we get there's conservative and liberal feminists but we're discussing liberal feminists. No one is suggesting this is the opinion of a Mary Harringson or Louise Perry. In fact Louise Perry in her interview with Bonny Blue agrees she's the end point of liberal feminism.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 07:22 AM
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friends are gorgeous, they’re objectively a lot hotter than I am. almost every man who does pursue me ends up wanting a relationship You're likey attracting different guys. Your hot friends are likey attracting some hot fucc boys used to getting what they want. you're attracting guys who don't hook up with hot girls and are looking for a relationship and are catching feelings easier because they don't have a roster of girls they can bang. So it's one set of guys going "I want casual sex because …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 10:09 AM
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It's because men feel they were lied to. The internet and online dating have really opened men's eyes to how shallow women can be when they're honest online. A lot of the pushback against the original Red Pill was from people arguing that what you're admitting here wasn't true. Men are frustrated because they feel they were sold a false picture. A second factor is women's ability to gain sexual access. If an average-looking guy finds attractive women irresistible, there's not much he can do abou…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 08:09 AM
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I don't think I'd want to be friends with women who know I'm interested in them and that feeling would likey get worse with proximity. I also wouldn't want to be friends with women who I'm interested in, it'd be a weird friendship. It'd be even weirder if I started dating someone else and I'm hanging out with some girl I want to sleep with.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 12:02 PM
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If a guy opens that's the natural thing that happens. men approch. Women can choose to end it or carry on the mating dance. If you carry on the mating dance then it's the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 07:48 AM
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Or high status.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 04:24 AM
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I guess that depends on the woman. At what point is a guy just using a woman because she's pretty?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 07:08 PM
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Yep it's just a matter of effort. guys don't want to hit on every girl at the bar because it's a nightmare. If they did and got decent at it they'd manage to get hook ups. The reality is men want hook ups but not to have to deal with the horrible part. I'm with them I wouldn't do it either.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 11:25 AM
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If this were true they'd be so many more men working to hook up with women. If all i had to do to get eternal youth and unlimited wealth was hook up with 100 drunk girls at bars, I'd have done it. Guys who want to hook up with loads of women manage it at a high rate. They put themsevels in positions to do it like working in bars or going out all the time or hitting on everything that moves. Most guys just can't be arsed with the amount of effort it takes to have meaningless sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 09:52 AM
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This seems like a very male-coded take. It’s a lack of understanding because you don’t really account for women’s money or status preferences in attraction, and you’re projecting that onto women. Women are attracted to these things. At a macro level, there’s an evolutionary psychological argument that, on average, women have been somewhat more responsive to traits like status and resources in mate selection, because historically they correlated with stability and reproductive success. We don’t p…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 09:46 AM
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If I'm thinking about buying a car and so start looking around show rooms and a salesperson manages to sell me a car I wasn't overly into at market price he's a great sales person. Same goes for this.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 07:48 AM
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So what women are really saying is, "We're all chasing the same top men, but those top men are competing for the top women." And what men are saying is, "You're right, but you're not a top woman, and you're ignoring all the guys on your level who are chasing you."
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 09:22 AM
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Men don't want to commit to promiscuous women because risk-taking behaviour isn't attractive, and men are naturally averse to anything that could put paternity into question, as throughout our evolutionary history we could never be completely sure. In other words, it's an evolved genetic "ick," similar to how women may be turned off by men who come across as weak or unwilling to defend them. Our instincts tell us, "That's a bad person to invest resources in," just as your instincts might tell yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 07:19 AM
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Because the idea is you're doing it more to get a read on each other. like say you met in a coffee shop then you get a read of the person hen decide to go on a date. If you meet online you do the vibe check thing as a semi first date.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 11:13 AM
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What's being classed as a date? I missed the whole app thing but from what I'm told the idea is if you match to do like a mini coffee date thing to see if you have a spark. Do they count or do you mean like a bigger date?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 09:23 AM
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https://www.forbes.com/health/dating/dating-statistics/ the majority of young women have used online dating. It's reflective of women in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 05:45 AM
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No not really. Please explain how exactly and bare in mind the ok cupid stats on men reviewing woman are a perfect normal distribution graph and womens amount to a perfect prato distribution which matches the swipe stats on other dating sites.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 04:31 AM
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The New Statesman, which is generally left-leaning, recently highlighted research suggesting that only a small minority of men (around 7%) hold negative views of women, while roughly 72% hold positive views. By comparison, around 21% of women reported negative views of men, while only about 50% reported positive views. Given that, the claim that “women only hate men because men hate women” doesn’t really hold up. Broadly speaking, men still tend to view women positively despite a noticeably high…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 08:23 AM
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It's not that women only find 20% of men attractive; it's that they rate 80% of men as below average. While I agree that very few men are highly attractive, I can still objectively look at men and rate them on a 1–10 scale, and the results would roughly form a normal distribution.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 07:56 AM
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People don't like lending people money. People enjoy sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 11:48 AM
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Agreed but if every women has the same quality (vagina) then it's not a quality men with options are selecting for. They're selecting for other qualities. It's like if every job paid the same but every job has different hours and benifits and workload. Sure for people who no one wants to employ all they care about is getting any pay but for people who are desireable they're picking the company that offers the most outside of pay. The pay (vagina) becomes a meaningless quality when deciding on wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 05:53 AM
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The issue is women don't want to date undesireable men so having a vagina is meaningless. If there's a guy women want to date then he has options. All his options have vaginas. He's not seclecting for vagina he's selecting for other traits. Those other traits are "what you bring to the table" If what you bring to the table isn't as attractive to the desireable man as other women, then you don't get commitment from the man you desire. If you just want to say "but I have a vagina so I have value" …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 07:51 AM
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a 2024 Pew Research Center survey found that among Americans aged 18 to 34 who have never been married, 69% still desire to marry eventually, 23% are uncertain, and 8% do not wish to marry . In the same age group, 64% of women without children express no desire to have kids, compared to 50% of men. The vast majority of women would still like to get married and have kids as shown here https://news.gallup.com/poll/164618/desire-children-norm.aspx. There's a very simple issue going on right now and…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 08:22 AM
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Nonsense. MGTOW didn't make a fuss about it at all. It was just an Internet support group and woman freaked out. 4B was a loud political movement designed to try and get men to do what woman want. You're describing the exact opposite of reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 03:41 PM
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And people draw people who happen to look like people. It's still transformative and if it's not then it can be dealt with though copyright. It's no different from going on sora and making an original song using ai. It just uses photos rather than sounds.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 10:44 AM
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No it's transformative which makes it fair use. Copying a cord isn't copyright infringement, copying a melody is. Same goes with images.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 04:50 AM
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AI creates new things. It's doing exactly what people do. Your creating something new using promps, it's still you doing the creating. It's taking knowledge and puting it together in an orginal way using your direction. Obviously if it's copying a person that's an issue but that's not what we're talking about. For the most part these are new images of people that don't exist. https://this-person-does-not-exist.com/en That's a good example. None of these people exist, What's the issue?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 05:38 AM
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I'm not sure what that means. If I learn to draw women by looking at pictures of women that women take of themselves then personally self publish on the Internet am I "trained on women without their consent"?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 04:21 AM
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AI porn doesn't mean deep fake porn.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 01:33 PM
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Ok, but you have to compare things to systems that actually exist in reality, not some ideal that only exists in your head. If you want a different system, then name a country that actually does it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 08:53 AM
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liberia kinda proves that writing a constitution doesn't work. There's always a work around.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 08:48 AM
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Ok and what about when 51% of pople vote to take 49% of peoples stuff?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 08:34 AM
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There are as many women born to working class families as men. Men aren't born knowing about sewers and oil rigs. The reality is women choose to do more comfortable work because they can. The issue now is men can too. You brought up pregnancies and children birth earlier. That's the same thing. Women don't want to deal with pregnancy and child birth but they do want children and suitable husbands. Men don't want to work horrible jobs but they do want wives and children. Both are checking out. Me…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 05:50 PM
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Would you do it? Like would you do something dangerous for more money? Why do you think men do it if you're not willing to? Would you rarer share an apartment and work in an office or have your own apartment but go into the sewers or do pest control but you get your own apartment?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 04:54 PM
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If the supply of oil rig workers declines then the rate of pay for oil rig workers is going to go up, until whatever point where enough people decide the higher pay is worth the trade-offs to them. We're already facing it. It's called the skills gap. It's not as simple as you say. Yes you can offer more money but you can't just create skilled people. If there's a shortage of underwater welders you can't just magic up more by paying more money. People don't do dangerous jobs to get a slightly bet…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 07:48 AM
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There's no shortage of less dangerous and lower paid positions. Do you really think office jobs are highly skilled? Admin jobs are often close to minimum wage. Yes woman do give birth but it was at 95% of women now it's 55% even less in Korea and Japan. This is checking out. Men stop doing dangerous labour and women stop having kids. You can't run a society without these jobs and you can't run a society without people. We need each other on a societal level not an individual level.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 04:27 AM
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And people go to uni to "get a degree" but that's first order thinking. You have to ask "why do they want to get into 100k debt to get a degree" Well because they were told "If you get a degree you'll make lots of money and live the dream" So they went and got a degree and now they are in 100k debt and can't find a position because AI has fucked the market so now everyone's really pissed off. This is what we call "breaking the social contract" you're told "If you do X you're get Y" and you did X…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 09:12 AM
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No I understood exactly what you said and I explained exactly why you were wrong. I went through evo psychology with you I explained it though how are behaviour predicts future behaviour. I explained to you that increasing opportunity is good thing. You seem to be of the option that a person is high value if they overlook red flags. Would you advise women to overlook red flags in men? How would you feel if some walking red flag guy said "my girlfriend is high value because she overlooked all the…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 08:28 PM
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No, it’s gross behaviour to promote something you know isn’t best for people because you’ve done the opposite. You called marriage unpaid slavery and promoted sleeping with random guys. It’s the perfect toxic femininity trap and luxury belief crap that’s pushed by insulated women who preach one thing that ruins people’s lives while doing the opposite. It’s gross, and it’s even worse that you call yourself a feminist while doing it. You have no interest in helping women only helping yourself and …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 02:11 PM
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No it's the Intrasexual competition / subtle sabotage disguised as "advice" and pushing the luxury beliefs of sexual liberation while being married. Gross behaviour frankly.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 12:00 PM
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Wow it sounds like you have a really deep and meaningful relationship with your husband and that that relationship is incredibly important to you so much so that you have committed to him forsaking all others and choosing responsibility over hedonism because you understand that it's a better choice. Weird.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 09:53 AM
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ask it again and have it lay out the number of men and women in each step. Yes the women marched at the start but when it turned violent that was the men. The bit you're talking about is ture but it was several hundered women vs between 20-50 guards and there were almso revolutionary men in the group roughing 5-10% meaning you had equal men to guards then the ratio of men went up to 70% men and 30% women.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 10:44 AM
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They protested then the men joined them, that's when the real violence started. Some women were there but it wasn't women vs men it was men vs men with women there too.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 05:27 AM
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You don't need people to agree with you. You just need them to not get in your way. It's not a force multiplication to have people sat in their homes and thinking "I like Robespierre" as long as they stay in their homes it doesn't matter what they think. It's men of action, taking action that causes change. Rights given freely can be taken away freely. Rights won show what happens when you try to take them. away.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 12:48 PM
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Though oppression. A collective being sick of shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 12:24 PM
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A right is something the government can't make laws against. The reason why they can't make laws against it is because of the reaction it would cause which is violence. Magna Carta and the bill of rights came by violence. Basically "if you don't stop doing this shit we'll fucking kill you" That's where rights come from and that's how rights are defended.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 12:17 PM
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sure and that's indirect violence but not direct violence. If the govenment wanted to crack down they could, with ease. That's not the same as what i've talked about. When women stop looking after the kids. What are you going to do then? Stop looking after whos kids? their kids? I mean if you want to murder your own kids though neglect then your husband is likey going to step in and if he's not around you can expect to go to jail for life plus you've just killed the person who means more to you …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 10:39 AM
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When have women ever took up arms or had a phyical battle with an oppressor? Men fight in coups or uprisings or revolutions or revolts. Women protest and ask. You're asking while men are telling.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 08:52 AM
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are any radfems able to answer a stright question with a stright answer without complaining and deconstructing?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 08:35 AM
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Red pill is a lens to view the world though. The idea is that even if the things TRP says aren't true, if you behave like they are true you'll have more success with women if the current amount of success you have with women in about zero. The behaviours TRP suggests do work on some women, they're normally not great women and they often have personality disorders but that's kinda counteracted be the TRP lessons like AWALT (which isn't true but is kinda true for the women TRP tend to attract)
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 10:50 AM
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If you're waiting for a guy to have built everything by himself what does he need you for? My wife and I had nothing when we met now we have a nice middle class life style that we built together. The idea of a partner is you have shared goals and work in symbiosis to achieve those goals. You're describing a parasite that latches onto a wealthy host to extract. Other than that I agree with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 05:25 AM
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r everyone. I’m friends with a girl who got married and has 2 kids with a nice guy who had sex with 200+ previous men in her 20’s…still all worked out for her. My pont is you need to get the guy to commit. Commitment means giving something to you that's not easy to give. "meeting their family" doesn't count as that's not difficult. Make them do something difficult and you'll soon se who actually likes you.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 02:22 PM
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Then you need to up the understanding of commitment. Here's a simple one "Do/give something that you can't do for others without extream difficulty" I could introduce 100 girls to my family, it costs nothing. I can't buy 100 engagement rings.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 08:52 AM
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Libertarian logic only works in a hyper agentic and inteligent adult population. The reality is if you allow and activly promote vice like sex work and drugs then what you're going to get is collapse because stupid people and easily influenced people fucking everything up. It's better to not allow certain choices to exist because too many people will make the wrong choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 08:43 AM
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I think you're right on this but the question is why? My opinion is it's a lot like the jobs market. Employeers complain that "no one wants to work" what that really means is people do want to work but they want more benifits and to do less labour. I think the same is true for men when it comes to relationships. They'd like sex and a relationship but it doesn't mean enough to them that they're willing to be what you need them to be. They don't "want to work"
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 02:17 PM
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I don't think it's a matter of oppress at all. It's more like they want to move away from a system where welth is moved from men pockets via taxes into womens pockets. As things get more hostile men are going to ask "hold on why am I being over charged to use a system I under use?"
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 10:49 AM
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Which bit? He wants a woman who makes 100k I'd be looking for a partner who makes around $100k he doesn't want kids. I have no interest in children, so I'd want a partner on the same wavelength he expects a prenup. I'd ABSOLUTELY want a prenup, and I'd insist that she has her own separate savings he expects to take no accountabilty over running the house. if she wants a clean and tidy and picturesque home, that's fine, but I don't have the time or energy or inclination to contribute. Again. That…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/25 10:30 AM
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I'm not. I'm simply asking if the reason why he's not looking for a relationship because it's going to be hard to find a woman that meets the crteria he's looking for. I don't think there's anything wrong with what he's saying, I think it's reasonable. I just want to know if he's staying single because it's a unicorn hunt.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/25 10:21 AM
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I guess i mean you could easyly support a wife and kids in a nice area and have a decent amount of savings. upper middle class.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/25 10:18 AM
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That’s actually the reason I’m asking. I think the system is at its worst for successful men, because you’re going to struggle to be around, you’ll often be tired or grumpy, and divorce can create an incentive for her to leave — since you’d still have to support her and her lifestyle wouldn’t take much of a hit. For example, I’m married. If my wife and I divorced, we’d both be screwed. We both work, and it’s the joint income that makes our lifestyle possible. On our own, neither of us could main…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/25 10:15 AM
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Do you have any conserns about what her aims and goals are. Like if she wants to be a mother and stay home or if she wants a high end career or she wants to try and do a bit of both?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/25 10:12 AM
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Thank you for the response. So you'd maybe want a wife if she make 100k and wanted to play home maker and was willing to sign a prenup and didn't want kids? I mean I'm guessing by the fact you say you're not looking for a partner you likey understand that expecting a woman in the top 12% of earners (according to chatgpt) to be a house wife on top of that and to manage your home on top of that. you understand that's likey not going to happen?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/25 10:10 AM
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I'd class that as successful. So you're boradly in the I'd like a house maker wife but I don't trust her to not abuse the system and ruin me as I'm a magnet due to my success? Is that accurate?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/25 10:07 AM
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So you're angry that he's right?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/25 09:19 AM
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Here's 3 articals from the guardian saying it. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/01/why-we-should-close-womens-prisons-and-treat-their-crimes-more-fairly?utm_source=chatgpt.com https://support.theguardian.com/uk/guardian-ad-lite?returnAddress=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Fsociety%2Farticle%2F2024%2Fjul%2F28%2Fwomens-prisons-have-served-their-time-they-should-be-abolished%3Futm_source%3Dchatgpt.com https://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/aug/09/women-dying-in-jails-they-sh…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/25 09:17 AM
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The problem is still that she's going to be busy all the time and isn't going to playing a support role that men typically look for. There's no need share wealth and expenses if you have enough money to easily cover your expenses.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 05:17 PM
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Lesbian couples tend to move in with each other much faster and take big life steps much faster. so people used to get married eariler and still had less divorces Generally lesbian couples who marry later and slower into a relationship are less likely to divorce where's the evidence for that? odds are their divorce rates will also drop dramatically as the urgency to get married lieu of lesbian marriage becoming far more normalised Gay men get divorced at a lower rate than stright couples so obvi…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 09:47 AM
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The problem is it's a catch 22. What does a guy with money need a career women for? she's just going to be busy and stressed out all the time and isn't going to play a support role in the mans life. If he then if he does go for a women who does want to play a support role that means he's going to have to pay for everything and if they havekid/get married and she gets bored/cheats/whatever he's going to be left ruined.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 08:57 AM
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For me it wasn’t just one body type — it was the combination of changes as I grew up. I’m 6'4, but I was a late bloomer, so the biggest jump in attention came when I suddenly went from “average height kid” to “tall guy.” Then a second wave hit when I finally got in proper shape and learned how to dress myself like an adult instead of a teenager. Fast-forward to 40: I’m still in good shape, but I’ve basically retired from trying to look sharp. I buzz my own hair with clippers, I dress like someon…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 12:15 PM
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You’re misunderstanding me. What I mean is that we have to judge an individual’s behaviour against the norms that exist in society at the time — not some idealised or timeless standard. Norms change, so we’re always judging against the standards of the day. Like I said, I’d call someone “bad” if their behaviour is abnormal, and in this context, I’d estimate that’s roughly 20% of men. I’d also add that in terms of women’s experiences, interactions with “bad men” are disproportionately high. I’d e…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 10:08 AM
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I agree that “normal” behaviour isn’t automatically harmless — norms can absolutely be damaging. Two hundred years ago, beating your wife was considered normal, but that doesn’t mean it was ever morally acceptable. So I’m not saying “normal = good.” What I’m saying is that when we’re trying to distinguish between ordinary human flaws and actually bad behaviour, the line has to be drawn at the point where someone crosses into abnormal, consistently harmful, or extreme behaviour relative to the re…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 09:12 AM
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Right — and what I’m saying is that when you look at studies on human behaviour, you consistently see that roughly 20% of people fall into the more extreme negative end of various traits. So it’s reasonable to predict that a similar proportion of men will fall into the “bad” category — meaning the ones who tip into toxic, harmful or abusive behaviour. That doesn’t mean the other 80% of men never do anything wrong, but at some point you have to draw a line between normal human flaws and consisten…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 08:51 AM
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We know that in many areas of human behaviour, a small group accounts for a large share of the extremes. For example, roughly 20% of people commit around 80% of all crime, and a similar proportion fall into the “hyper-sexual” end of the spectrum. That’s just how normal distributions tend to work — about 15–20% of people sit at the more extreme ends. But that doesn’t mean the other 80% of men never do anything wrong; it just means they aren’t what most people would label as “bad”. And importantly…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 08:29 AM
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I'm talking about tall and strong for a woman. I don't see it as double standards to want someone who's different from you. I don't want to date the female vertion of me.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 12:38 PM
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I don't really understand this. If a woman says, "I want a guy who's tall, wealthy, and physically strong," is that a double standard if she's 5'2", lower-middle class, and weak? Men value purity in women in a way women broadly don't value it in men. There is an obvious difference in that I'd bet almost any woman on this forum could go on Tinder and sleep with 30 quite attractive guys in 30 days, but there are essentially zero guys who could sleep with 30 attractive women in 30 days off Tinder.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 10:22 AM
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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GPkGT0MXAAEtz6m?format=jpg&name=medium Study this image.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 01:44 PM
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Official stats say 30 have had relationships they consider Abusive. I'd argue all women are attracted to dangerous men it's just a scale and risk vs reward. Much like all men are attracted on some level to crazy&slutty women just most guys realise it's better to not engage.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 06:37 PM
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If the guy was pretending to be a good person and he had a secret life that's of course not your fault. I'm not talking about those guys. I'm saying women are attracted to dangerous men and they're warned about them but do it anyway because they are often exciting relationships. With those guys it's like moaning about burning yourself on a stove you were warned was hot and blaming the stove. I have exactly the same opinion when guys actively go for girls who are obviously BPD but they go for the…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 06:17 PM
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Women willingly date men because they are drug dealers. I'm not talking about liars. I'm talking about women being attracted to men they know are dangerous.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 04:06 PM
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If you can't see that a "warning hot surface" and a face tattooed criminal are both warning signs then you're going to struggle at life.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 04:05 PM
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If someone tells you that the stove is hot and not to touch it and you ignore them and touch the hot stove and burn yourself do you feel the need to go around telling everyone? The issue is women are warned about the wrong kind of guys but women find dangerious men exciting and find stable guys boring. then you go "Oh no how could I have known that the violent drug dealer with facial tattoos was going to be abucive" Every one knew, everyone told you. you don't need to go around talking about the…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 09:08 AM
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How's that different from being unable to get a permanent position at a job you want? That also requires luck and 2 willing parties and some people don't want a permanent position? If I want to be a programmer and I keep getting knocked back at interviews (dates) or can only get short term contracts (situationships) but never a permanent position (marriage) isn't that failing?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 06:10 AM
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Okay well I've explained why I think trying to do something that is very important to people and failing is... Failing. Can you explain how trying to do something and failing isn't failing?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 05:27 AM
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No getting a partner is very similar to getting a job. You can be more of what they want. You can have relationships and learn to be a better partner. You can get better at dating. You can't force an employer to give you a permanent position either you can only become more desirable so they want to to commit. It's exactly the same for relationships. You seem to be making incel talking points that self improvement doesn't work You can't just expect people to like you. You have to become a person …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 05:25 AM
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I'm not arguing against anything you've said. They said it's not a failure. I'm saying there's ways where it can definitely be a failure.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 07:06 PM
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The difference is effort. I didn't fail at owning a Ferrari as I never tried to. I did fail getting the fastest time on a hiking route because I tried a bunch of times and never got the best time. My question is about if a woman tries really hard to find a decent guy and get him to commit but no guy wants to. Did she fail.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 07:03 PM
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My "suitable man" I mean a man that women finds to be suitable for her. Finding someone attractive is a bare minimum for a suitable partner. My question is if you can't get a guy you're into and trust and who's reliable etc to commit after you've tried and tried and it never happened.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 07:00 PM
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Where did I say people should feel ashamed?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 06:57 PM
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I mean if I really want a suitable job and I can't get one that's failing. If I really want a suitable house and I can't get one that's failing. If I really want to get married and have a family and I can't do it that's failing too. Relationships are the most important part of our lives so if you can't secure a good one and have the most meaningful vertion of that which is a spouse and kids, even if you're trying then yeah, that sounds like a failure to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 12:57 PM
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But in a situation where a woman is deeply desireing commitment from a suitable man and she can't get it, is that a failing?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 12:06 PM
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What if someone wants a committed relationship but can't find anyone suitable who would like a committed relationship with them? Like There's good reasons not to work and there's people who can't find work because they're thick and have no skills. Same thing for relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 09:56 AM
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so what should the woman be doing between 8am and 6pm each day?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 10:36 AM
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Sure and kindness, purity, agreeableness, nurturing attitude have a much larger impact and men's attraction to women than vice versa.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 09:23 AM
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Do you think that once the kids are in school so said wife is pretty much free from 8-3 every day it's more of an improvement to have her in the home during the day than the benefit they'd get from an extra income?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 09:02 AM
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What's your opinion? Like lets say you have a couple and the kids are in school is it important enough to sacrifice a second salary to stay at home to house keep?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 08:04 AM
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I'm saying managing your money has got easier with technology. I'm not saying people aren't struggling to manage on the amount of money they make. I'm guessing you're young and you don't remember what a pain paying bills and having to go into the bank all the time was.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 05:18 PM
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short answer no. Long answer only if dads working a 70 hour week and she's rubbing a homestead or home schooling 5 kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 10:39 AM
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Tradwife is stupid and lets breakdown why. Home economics and housework has been simplified to an astonishing degree. All your billing, banking, money management has gone from a real job into a non issue. House work has been hugely simplified from online grocery shopping to washer driers, roombas, ready meals that don't suck, things being cheaper to replace than repair, amazon meaning you never have to go to almost any shop ever again etc. All these things have effectively freed up women from th…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 09:37 AM
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Men are women are psychologically different so if I became the opposite gender magically and biologically then my interests would change. For example I'm much more interested in things than people which is typical for my sex. I couldn't tell you how much that'd change in a gender swap so I can't tell you how that'd change my career, relationships or dating. Or are you asking what I'd do if I woke up tomorrow with the exact same brain in a woman's body?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/25 09:37 AM
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OF acts like it's a get rich quick sceme and tries to get the few successes on their to show off their material goods to lure in other women. This is what pimps do. They get their prostitute to recruit other women because women are more likey to listen to other women. The median income for a woman on only fans is $150 per month. That's not a lot of money and will put off a huge percentage of men from ever committing to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/25 10:45 AM
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Exactly. Being treated like a princess means being given everything because you exist and are simply entitled to everything because you exist. You're born deserving of everything and no one should question it. I'm not interested in treating anyone that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/25 06:13 AM
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I found 3 studies on this https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36687855/ https://eqhq.org/about-eq/do-women-have-higher-eq-than-men/?utm https://bmcmededuc.biomedcentral.com/counter/pdf/10.1186/s12909-018-1213-3.pd They come to the same conclusion that men and women have the same emotional intelligence but they score differently on different componets of the test. Women are better at empathy and men are better at intrapersonal women scored higher at interpersonal and men scores higher at stress manag…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/25 07:42 AM
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I don’t want to date women who don’t want to date men like me. I don't really understand what that means. You mean you're going to give in to the worst parts of your personality and if people don't like it then you don't like them? No, I try and be better than that and avoid sin and I hope the people around me do the same. We're all deeply floored and there's nothing we can do about it other than try and be better though self discipline and restraint. I don’t believe YOU want to date women who d…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/25 04:27 AM
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It's legal here in the UK. It's illegal to cerb crawl, pimp, solicit, or hire a woman who is being trafficked but it's legal to hire a prostitute.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/25 01:38 PM
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Women broadly don't want to date men who fuck prostitutes. That's a repercussion if you want a relationship which the vast majority of people do.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/25 12:30 PM
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People have been sticking blades into peoples necks for 1000s of years is it taboo to murder people? Of course prostitution is taboo. Why is it arguing with people on the left is just them intentionally misunderstanding everything making discussion impossible.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/25 09:56 AM
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To be fair if you're a guy who attractive and wealthy then you have infinite options when it comes to who you date and you can afford to pay people to be your wife (personal assistant, house staff, nanny, nutrionist etc) so at that point you're just looking for someone hot who's plesent to be around rather than an actual partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/25 04:59 AM
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what percentage of people went to collage? What was the % of income spent on food? Did they have access to our healthcare? what was infant mortality? Everyone lives in cities. No they don't. you're blind to reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 01:25 PM
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Sorry do you think there was less poverty by modern standards in the 50s? Do you think there was less racism and sexism in the 50s? Do you think all the unregulated pollution wasn't an issue back then? It's not that people are getting help it's that people are going crazy. Much like you. BTW almost all gun violence comes from left wing cities, right wing areas have minimal gun violence. Also yougov is left leaning so at least do a bit better.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 01:01 PM
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Have you looked at the life satisfaction numbers or the number of women suffering for mental health issues or this recent study https://ifstudies.org/press-release/married-moms-twice-as-likely-to-be-very-happy-than-single-or-childless-women You seem to be looking at this as a men VS women thing when you should be looking at this as a women now vs a women then thing. Women aren't getting happier they're getting increasingly unhappy and unwell.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 12:40 PM
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Oh it was from Morgan Stanley and they're using it for stock predictions. So it's women aged 25-44 in 2030 so women who are 39 today not women who are 44 today. So they're going to be investing in catfood and shorting nappies.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 10:37 AM
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Yes and no. They're choosing not to have children or get married in the same way they're choosing not to own homes. It's possible to buy a home or get married but it's not possible to buy a property they desire and they can't find a man they desire who's willing to commit.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 04:21 AM
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It's the younger half of the millennials that the prediction refers to. It's by 2030 not today.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 04:19 AM
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So do I. I also have a much richer relationship with my wife and kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 06:58 PM
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I don't think you're entirely wrong. As single life becomes incresingly convenient other people become incresingly inconvenient. The downside of that is relationships are the thing that give our lives meaning and as we pick the easy thing rather than then difficult thing people are finding themselves less and less satisfied.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 10:11 AM
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Given that roughly 45% of millennial women are going to be forever unmarried and childless it seems like that's exactly what men are doing.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 09:12 AM
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The issue is that women and men are different and I'd bet my house that if you took single men and single women making the same amount of money, working the same number of hours a week and lived in identical apartment spaces that women would still spend way longer on chores. Doing all the work as a single man is less work than doing half the work living with a woman and you have to meet their standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 04:30 AM
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So you can't offer him good advise for fear he could get bad advice Seems kinda wild.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 03:30 PM
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Have you recommended hoemath to your friend and if you've not would you?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 12:09 PM
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Fair enough. I've not been in a redpill forum for 10-15 years. It seems like almost all of what was discussed back then has now gone entirely mainstream. I guess they've become increasingly niche because of that. I still think people like hoe math are doing great work that I'd put in the redpill sphere.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 11:10 AM
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Why do you hope he doesn't discover the redpill? Does it seem like the blue pill has been working for him?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 08:21 AM
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I know old people who smoked their entire lives and are still alive and well. Explain that with your smoking kills logic.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 08:18 AM
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Are any given individual women's standards bad? No, have what ever standards you like. Are women's standards unreasonable? No, I think it's fine to want a partner you're attracted to and this generation largely grew up with a provider father and likely they're more educated than their mothers and so expect a guy who can provide at least as well as their dad did. Are womens standards realistic given the state of modern dating allowing attractive men access to huge numbers of women and with an eco…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 08:13 AM
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One guy stringed his girlfriend for 10 years despite her asking to be married to him and have kids, but nope, and shes still with him being stringed along. do you mean he agreed and then didn't or he said it's not for him? I'm married but I absolutely understand why a lot of guys would avoid it. Remember that if a guy has assets like a house and he gets married and has kids and she starts cheating on him, he'll be kicked out of his house until the kids are 18 (at least here in the UK). That's a …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/25 08:38 AM
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You might be better off doing a poll than asking this, to avoid selection bias. I can't imagine many women are going to respond with "I'm unattractive and unable to get into a relationship with a decent guy and I find myself being continually used and discarded"
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 01:43 PM
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I put the study into chatgpt and asked it about what percentage of men and women where rated as below average by the opposite sex it said Given the low mean (33.70) and typical distribution of attractiveness ratings (often skewed), it's likely that well over 70% of men were rated below average (50) by female raters. Since the mean is slightly above 50, and assuming a roughly normal distribution, approximately 40–45% of women were likely rated as below average by male raters. When I asked it to b…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/25 07:49 AM
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The only solution to this is what Jordan Peterson described as "Enforced monogamy" that doesn't mean government mandated big tiddy goth gfs. It means men and women need to stop with situationships, FWBs, hook ups etc. A societal move to "no sex before commitment" Would solve most issues. It'd ruins top guys deciding to pick varity over quality so they'd just commit to top women and it's ruins women hypergamy because they'd no longer have access to the top guys. This means people would have to da…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 07:42 AM
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I guess women really are dating the same guys then considering women outnumber men 6 to 4 at colleges.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/25 11:50 AM
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ok so you have 2 graphs one with 7 bars the bottom 3 bars add up to 81% of men that's 81% of men are BELOW average and the other 4 bars go from average to most attractive. So the question is where on the 2nd graph showing messages does that line between the 80% of unnattracive men and the 20% of average to very attractive guys start. so we start with 5 as it's a 0-5 ranking then we divide by 7 as there's 7 bars. Then we times by 3 because we're looking for only the bottom 3 bars as they make up …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/25 10:21 AM
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Take a close look at the two areas in the graph where the difference is most pronounced: https://imgur.com/a/XggZr0w Men in the bottom 80% of attractiveness receive far fewer responses proportionally. Meanwhile, men rated between 2.5 and 5 get far more messages proportionally. What this shows is that messaging behaviour heavily favours the top 20% of men — those rated as average or above — despite the fact that, based on the data, only a small minority of men are rated that highly. And here’s th…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/25 09:39 AM
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Take a close look at the two areas in the graph where the difference is most pronounced: https://imgur.com/a/XggZr0w Men in the bottom 80% of attractiveness receive far fewer responses proportionally. Meanwhile, men rated between 2.5 and 5 get far more messages proportionally. What this shows is that messaging behaviour heavily favours the top 20% of men — those rated as average or above — despite the fact that, based on the data, only a small minority of men are rated that highly. And here’s th…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/25 09:01 AM
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This seems like one of those arguments that just ignore per capita. sure the 80% still get the most messages but not by a lot and they make up 80%. Despite making up only ~11% of men, those rated between 5.0 and 7.0 in attractiveness receive about 18% of all female-initiated messages. This expanded sweet spot still captures the best messaging-to-appearance ratio, suggesting that being above average but not at the top yields the most attention relative to competition.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/25 08:15 AM
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Would you say it's more like "she looks amazing, She's not going to think I'm amazing, so I'm just going to be quiet and not talk to her"? As that's pretty close to overawe which is a kind of intimidation but not how most people think of it when they think about intimidation.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/25 08:05 AM
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Seems kinda crazy to marry a woman who cheated on her husband with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/25 02:06 PM
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She was sleeping with other men. She remarried with her affair partner immediately after the divorce. How'd that turn out?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/25 08:32 AM
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I'd describe settling as picking someone below your perceived value. So a person wo considers themself a 6 and marries a 5 is settling. If you're a 6 and marrying a 7 you're punching above your weight. My logic is you're settling what's available rather than holding out for the correct market value.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/25 08:30 AM
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Misandry is real. Obviously true but like misogyny it's not an on off switch where some people are and some people aren't it's everyone is to some degree and most women don't hate men, it's just the very loud ones are very loud. It's also pretty easy to screen for as women with a large amount of misandry aren't shy about it. Men are hypogamous (have significantly relaxed standards) when it comes to short-term dating, which leads to things like alpha widows or alpha fucks, beta bucks. First part …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/25 08:46 AM
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I'm married and I'm hear for the exact same reason I follow US politics despite living in the UK. It's interesting and like it or not it's going to have an impact on the society I live in. We have mass immigration in the UK because people aren't having kids. I'm interested as to what the fuck is going on.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/25 08:08 AM
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I actually came to this sub hoping to have some of my RP beliefs be debunked so I could go back to living a normal blue pill life. Which ones? Like can you give me the biggest 3 redpill beliefs you want debunked?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/25 08:06 AM
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https://www.businessinsurance.com/netflix-views-five-seconds-of-staring-as-sexual-harassment/ I was referring to this and people get punished for sexual harassment all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/25 05:32 PM
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It doesn't change the fact that it's acting like a gang bang is no big deal and looking at someone is, is a crazy way to look at the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/25 10:00 AM
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It's not a matter of capitalism vs Marxism. It's more like if you wanted a cake you had to go and source all the ingredients and learn how to make it then put the effort in and you'd eventually have your cake. Now if you're peckish you can have whatever cake you want door dashed to you at 2am. This means a lot of people with poor impulse control are making bad decisions. We also have this incredibly strange culture where on one hand we're super open and sex positive and anti slut shaming and pro…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/25 04:45 AM
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What percentage of women are "tall, built like a line backer, had a heavy jaw and a prominent brow ridge" VS What percentage of men are "Short and stocky"? This is just an example of how most men find most women attractive and most women find very few men attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/25 07:37 AM
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Male only spaces are effetely illegal in my country (uk) because of the equalities act. I was clear about the country I live in and I mentioned the specific legislation.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/25 04:12 AM
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What does it represent to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/25 04:11 AM
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Yes people can hang out at each others houses but you can't create a 3rd space that's single sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/25 06:37 PM
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That's a mental health support group that can allow specific crave outs like a woman's shelter. Men aren't allowed total organise and socialise with other men in male only environments unless for very specific reasons and even then only if there's an easy to access female equivalent that's easy to access in the same area.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/25 08:52 AM
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Male only spaces are effetely illegal in my country (uk) because of the equalities act.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/25 07:50 AM
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Personality and finances then. Break this down for me then. As most of this advise is going to be aimed at young men. They're not going to have good finances and saying "just have a good personality" is like saying "just be attractive". I worked sales jobs while I was at uni, I can tell you for a fact there's 3 kinda of people who can sell. 1) People who just have a gift of being able to talk to people 2)Tall men 3)women with large breasts/very attractive. To me when someone saying "just have a …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/25 07:47 AM
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Sure that's why I'm purple pilled. The issue I see is that while the blue pill is correct about some things if you follow it as directed you'll fail every time and if you follow the red pill as directed you'll just be acting like a sociopath and that won't end well for you or society.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/25 07:36 AM
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You have flair calling yourself blue pill woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/25 07:32 AM
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If it's a loving and fulfilling relationship, then he should learn how to be a considerate partner ie "being nice". That's only one part of having a contented life though. I'm married and I've been with the same woman for a decade, I get once you're in the relationship and you want it to last you have to be "nice". But the issue is you have to first get into the relationship right? So my question is about how you get yourself into a position where you have options so you can find a good woman to…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 01:01 PM
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What I'm trying to ask you and I'm not trying to trick you is "If a man is single what's the best way for him to have options?"
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 12:32 PM
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So for the purpose of getting into a relationship you should focus more on being nice and less on looks and in your opinion that'll work for most guys?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 12:07 PM
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That's really not true. Look at like the big bang theory or any movie with Adam Sandler or Seth Rogan, half of John Hughes movies. Half the other teenage movies from the 80s from revenge of the nerds all the way though to american pie to Superbad. It's super common I could no doubt give you a list of 100 high grossing movies and TV shows from the last 40 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 12:00 PM
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The blue pill is a very common trope in media and it's pushed a lot. The nerdy nice guy gets the hot girl is super common across films and TV and unfortunately people fall for it. to say "It's not a real thing" is kinda what several of the recent threads have been about on here as it seems like there's been a sudden jump from "Looks don't matter that much" to "Of course they do" which feels like total gaslighting
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 11:37 AM
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Correct me if I'm wrong but that to be seems more like the bluepill is kind of debunked. The blue pill really preaches if that looks don't matter that much outside of not being gross and being kind is paramount. What the red pill teaches is deeply flawed but will certainly work if you're looking for short term dating and hook ups. The bluepill just flat out doesn't work and will end up with guys being alone and bitter after realising the blue pill nonsense was just a giant shit test that they fa…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 11:16 AM
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But the question is do looks matter Blue pill) A bit Red pill) Quite a lot Black pill) They're the only thing that matters
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 10:34 AM
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I think the question is about numbers. There's a broad narrative in different pills blue pill = look don't matter anywhere close to as much as being a kind. Red pill = Look matter a lot, but can be over come by increasing status/game. Black pill = Only thing that matters is looks and if you're not attractive it's over before it began. You seem to be arguing that they're all correct but to varying degrees. So go ahead and tell us what you think the percentage break down is? Do you think the major…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 09:22 AM
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There's a broad narrative in different pills blue pill = look don't matter anywhere close to as much as being a kind. Red pill = Look matter, but can be over come by increasing status/game. Black pill = Only thing that matters is looks and if you're not attractive it's over before it began.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 07:37 AM
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I think you're not getting my point. I'm arguing that white British school boys aren't murdering school girls because of reading stuff like this forum. I'm then going on to argue that the show adolescene was treated by the left wing government as a propaganda piece to act like school boys are ticking time bombs. My evidence for this is them wanting it played in schools (high school in the UK is 11-16) and the prime minister calling a fictional drama a documentary on 2 occasions.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 05:41 AM
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Yeah that's exactly what I'm saying. It's stupid.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 01:41 PM
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Lord of the flies is also nonsense. And there was a real case of it happening and the boys were great and behaved perfectly until help arrived. "In 1965, six Tongan schoolboys aged between 13 and 16 set sail from Tonga on a stolen fishing boat. They were caught in a storm and ended up shipwrecked on a deserted island called ʻAta, where they survived for more than a year before being rescued by an Australian fisherman, Peter Warner. Unlike in William Golding’s novel, the boys didn’t descend into …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 10:28 AM
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Only guy I pay to sub to on youtube.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 09:28 AM
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Do you think squid games should be played in high schools? Do you think squid games should be called a documentary by the prime minister not once but twice? https://apnews.com/article/adolescence-netflix-starmer-social-media-children-smartphones-33b72293c431496e57c2ca16417a379d https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/watch-starmer-claims-adolescence-is-a-documentary/
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 08:25 AM
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I'd say actually being competent is what the goal is as real confidence comes from competence and experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 08:02 AM
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Do you really think white boys from stable two-parent backgrounds in the UK are going around stabbing girls because of social media? If so, can you point to actual cases where this has happened? To me, the show felt like pure fear-mongering. It seemed to suggest that working-class white boys from stable families are being radicalised by generic “red pill” content. That simply isn’t happening — if it were, we’d have seen real evidence of it by now. Instead, the programme played more like a Labour…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 07:55 AM
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This is nonsense. The reason why women are "choosing" not to have children or get married is because they don't have a way to do it that works. They still desire it. It's like saying "people are choosing to rent rather then buy homes" when it's a matter that they can no longer afford to buy on an average income. A 2024 Pew Research Center survey found that among Americans aged 18 to 34 who have never been married, 69% still desire to marry eventually, 23% are uncertain, and 8% do not wish to mar…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 07:24 AM
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Then arrogance by that measure is still a fantastic way to get girls short term. Remember that episode of the Simpsons where Jimbo is dating that girl Bart likes because he's a "bad boy" then Bart does a prank on Moe and Moe threatens Jimbo and Jimbo starts crying and the girl ditches him?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 09:23 AM
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Women aren't dating each other any more than men are. It's just more women SAY they're bi than men. As TRP often says "don't listen to what they say, watch what they do" https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Proportion-of-bisexual-women-and-men-classified-as-past-year-behaviorally-bisexual-A_fig1_271938241
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 08:02 AM
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Having a girlfriend is very different to having a wife who you have kids with. Any girlfriend I've had have absolutely been replaceable and if a much better option came along I more than likey would have. My wife however can't be replaced by anyone. You can't swap out what we've built together, the depth of the relationship and certainly not the relationship we have with our children. It'd be like swapping out a sibling, it just doesn't make sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/25 07:57 AM
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Which country?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 04:22 AM
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Since the pill people have been having an average of 2-3 kids. People who have kids are still having 2-3 kids. The declining birth rate is due to an increase in the number of childless people.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 01:58 PM
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No look at the stats. People who have kids are still having the normal 2-3 kids. It's a huge spike in the number of people having 0 kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 07:47 AM
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Right but in terms of norms, the vast majority of people don't want to see their partner with another person engaging in simulated sex in public. Its like declaring yourself polyamerous, it's going to be a huge turn off at least in terms of commitment for the vast majority of people.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 04:31 AM
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Because men actually try and understand. It's not that men want to or are better it's that they have to learn if they want to get anywhere with women. Men have to learn how to communicate with women and they have to put a significant amount of effort into it. That's not the case for women. Women don't have to learn so they see differences as faults rather than something they need to understand.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 04:28 AM
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It's not over exaggerated at all. It's like male and female strength. Are some women stronger than some men? Absolutely. But the average man has about 3 x the upper body strenth of a woman. There are feminine men and masculine women but it would be silly to suggest that means they aren't wired differently.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 04:30 PM
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I agree but for a lot of guys it's either be completely invisible or be attractive to the kind of women you probably don't want to commit to. If you're starving and your only option is McDonald's then McDonald's tends to look like a pretty good option. Problem is once you realise you can get McDonald's whenever you want, you realise it's not something that you should live on.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 04:26 PM
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It shows that most bi people swipe right on just one gender. There could be quite a few reasons for that. Yeah like they're only interested in one sex. If I saw someone only swipe on one sex I'd assume it's because that's what they're interested in. shows bi women are less likely to have bisexual sexual history compared to bi men Right and woman have an easier time dating than men and yet have a huge number difference while mens it's about the same as their stated preference. If the woman aren't…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 11:01 AM
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Here's 2 data sets https://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2010/07/26/bisexuality-and-dating-on-okcupid/?utm_source=chatgpt.com Shows most Bi people are either gay or straight https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Proportion-of-bisexual-women-and-men-classified-as-past-year-behaviorally-bisexual-A_fig1_271938241 Shows while a lot of women say they're bi they don't have female partners and exclusively date men while men tend to be honest. A lot of BI women are either just gay or straight when you loo…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 09:06 AM
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TRP trains you to attract a certain type of women. It's like going fishing and using bait for a specific type of fish and then claiming "The sea only contains one kind of fish as that's the only type of fish I catch"
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 08:28 AM
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Well I certainly wouldn't want my wife doing it and I wouldn't want to do that either. I believe sex is special and exclusivity is valuable and I'm not going to share that with anyone else, let alone the whole world.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 08:22 AM
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That the differences between men and women are faults. If you want an example, look at therapy. Men don't generally do well with it and don't enjoy it. Men tend to feel bad because they have a issue and can't find a good solution or feel paralyzed by which way to go because every road seems bad. Men aren't faulty because they want actionable advise and a clear path rather than just to emotionally unload like women do. This is why women say "men are bad listeners" because you come to us with a pr…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 08:19 AM
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I'm not sure about changed my mind but it's really shown me how much both sexes but in particular women really struggle with true empathy. What I mean by that is, men look at womens issues and think they're being empathetic by looking at womens issues as "what would I do if I woke up tomorrow in a woman's body" rather than understanding men and women are different. Women are even worse at this than men as they seem to think men are just faulty women.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 09:23 AM
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My point is that some films and tv shows are designed as titillation. We al know what skinimax meant and we all know why magic mike is popular and we all know why certain sex scenes exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 06:28 AM
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Yeah I'm absolutely sure everyone watches magic Mike for the plot.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 05:03 AM
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Sorry I'm not being random you said if she thinks shes pretty or prettier than you,even if its in her head, then she wont like the rejection at all. So I'm just asking for context. Like did the more attractive ones react much worse than the average looking ones?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/25 06:16 PM
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How did they go?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/25 03:40 PM
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And how many times have you done that and I don't mean in your imagination.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/25 07:10 AM
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Why? Height tends not to matter to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/25 06:57 AM
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But that's going to be the same for any attractive public figure. I don't see why that means they should do porn/graphic sex scenes.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/25 06:48 AM
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If you're a very attractive woman or guy who works in a bank you're likey to have people fantasise about you. Doesn't mean that you should fuck a bunch of people for money and then post it on the Internet for everyone to see. You can't control what other people do but you can control what you do.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/25 06:20 AM
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If I got 100 random men I bet you could accurately rank them from least attractive to most attractive with very little difficulty despite not being sexually attracted to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/25 06:16 AM
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Are you saying that attractive women and going to have guys jerk off to them no matter what so they might as well degrade themselves by doing gang bangs on camera?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/25 06:12 AM
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No it's not they've agreed. It's that the primary parent which is defaulted to the mother gets to stay in the family home until the kids are 18. You can't force her to sell/leave until the kids are 18. If you want a longer answer A Mesher order is a court order used in divorce or civil partnership dissolution cases that allows the sale of the family home to be delayed until a specific event or time occurs. This type of order is often used when one party, usually the parent with primary care of t…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 06:06 PM
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Go read my edit. You can't just sell your half of the house from under your family in the vast majority of cases. If you have kids, you're screwed.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 11:55 AM
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Living is the home or not doesn't make it so you are no longer liable for the mortgage. If you don't pay you'll default and you'll be fucked. See my edit which show why you'll be prob have to keep paying your mortgage if you want any kind of credit until your kids are 18.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 07:00 AM
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Do you think that's what happens? Here's how it goes. Man and woman with 2 kids both make the same amount of money and work the exact same hours. Women meets someone new. Women wants a divorce. Woman gets the house, the car, and the kids at least until both kids are 18. Man now can't get a new house as single income and house prices are much higher than they were. Man also has to pay child support. man also has to move further away because he can't afford the nice area on a single income. man is…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/25 09:46 AM
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It's this just what happens with bankruptcy? Like we got rid of debtor's prison.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/25 08:59 AM
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If I didn't care I wouldn't ask. Why are you being so defensive on soneone else's behalf on a debate sub? You're acting like a weird incel white knight. Go m'lady some other sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/25 03:47 PM
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I'll wait for her answer thx.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/25 12:33 PM
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No I think she has much higher standards than him when it comes to cleaning and unfortunately the person with the higher standards tends to lose out when people live together. It's a common compatibility issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/25 11:54 AM
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Let's say I love cooking and my girlfriend doesn't. She makes basic stuff and I make complex stuff. We move in together and when she cooks I complain it's not up to my standards so I always cook. I then complain "before we moved in together she's always cook at her apartment and now she never cooks" Is that a reasonable complaint?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/25 11:34 AM
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Because different people have different levels of clean. There's a difference between keeping a place kinda tidy and clean and keeping it spotless. It's always going to be an issue when one person wants the place spotless as the other person isn't going to see the point. She's said even though he knows you like things clean Which to me indicates she likes things spotless.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/25 10:52 AM
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this cope is on par with obese women with horrid personalities that say "Men are just intimidated by me"
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/25 08:43 AM
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Yes. As I said, he stopped doing all household chores. my question here is about if you have a very high standard of clean and he had a pretty low standard of clean then why would you think when you move in together that would change. You can't expect him to start doing everything to your standard and if that's the only standard you accept, it wouldn't be surprising that he stops. Why does this read like you're taking sides? I'm not trying to take sides, I'm trying to understand. If your pets do…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/25 08:37 AM
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Can you explain in detail why? That seems like a huge double standard so I think everyone would love to hear your logic since you started the thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/25 07:49 AM
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with the first guy did you look at the state of his apartment before you moved in with him and did you look at it and think "That's how Clean I expect my our apartment to be?" Did he already have the pets when you moved in together and do you expect him to take his pets out with him whenever he leave the house?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/25 07:46 AM
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Which really translates as "Be attractive and don't sperg out". Even attractive guys get in their own way when talking to women and just kill the vibe.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 07:34 AM
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Wtf are you talking about. Where do you think these guys are getting all this magic money from on a single income with child care responsibilities and costs? I know 2 single dad's both are piss poor.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 05:45 PM
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No men built everything for their families not for pussy. If men lived for a chance with the opposite sex half of young men wouldn't be checked out of dating. She's only a bitch if she's not giving it to you. No I've dated several women who had high sex drives but were just a pain to be around. I'd rather be single than deal with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 04:23 PM
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Let's look at the stats on kids from single mothers vs single fathers or the stats on single mothers vs both patents at home. Oh look you're completely wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 04:05 PM
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So all guys who are single are losers? That's definitely not true. Yes being in a good relationship is better than being single but being single is way better than being in a relationship with a bitch.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 12:03 PM
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Right so like I said it's old people who had more more rigorous gender roles. Maybe your right and 90 year olds have this attitude but I've never experienced it and it'd be of zero consequence if I did. I'd probably feel as patronised as you would if someone gave you a pat on the head for having a job.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 11:27 AM
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If it isn't intrinsically tied why is it so common?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 11:24 AM
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If you watch The Wizard of Oz, are you complicit in the abuse Judy Garland endured? If you watch Nickelodeon, are you complicit in the abuse of its child actors? Hollywood and the music industry are full of horrors — and everyone knows much of it is still happening today. you can't just say there's been abuse of kids in the music and film industry in the 40s 50s 60s 70s 80s 90s 2000, 2010s but I'm sure it's not happening today. No one is that naive.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 08:24 AM
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It's not a matter of liking your kids or not it's a matter that they've not chosen to be parents. Like I said don't have kids with men you're not married to. This system solved the issue in every culture for thousands of years. Don't get knocked up by some guy who isn't willing to invest in you.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 08:17 AM
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I'm a father of 2 and never once have I got praise from anyone for looking after my kids. There's this weird myth that We go to the park and everyone claps. It's never ever happened and I've no idea where you get this idea from. Maybe it's something old ladies say or something? also the fact that there are so many more children who grow up fatherless compared to growing up motherless says a lot about fathers too. Yeah women shouldn't have kids with men they're not married too and if they do get …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 08:04 AM
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not really, being a good father = being an average mom No you just simply don't understand the role fathers play. Maybe you didn't have one. A mom is a mom and a dad is a dad. It's not the same role. The role the father plays is incredibly valuable and we can see this by simply looking at what happens with faithlessness as it's universal.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 07:56 AM
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Ah, Sorry I misunderstood. Yeah It's very similar to MGTOW. It's people who rather than doing a cost-benefit analysis, they just look at the costs to justify their bitterness. Half of this sub read the story of the fox and the grapes and think the fox is correct.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 07:51 AM
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Sorry what exactly am I believing? My statement is pretty simple. You feel a closer bond with children than you do with any other relationship. We know this is true because of what people are willing to sacrifice for their kids vs what people are willing to sacrifice for any other relationship. My second point is that your relationships are the most important part of your life. This is also true. Life would be meaningless with out other people. Social isolation drives people insane.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 07:46 AM
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Tell me anything I said that you think the average mother would disagree with.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 07:43 AM
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If you’ve had kids and actually wanted them, you’ll know—it’s the deepest, most rewarding bond you can have. If that’s not for you, no problem. In fact, if you’re not into the idea, I’d say don’t do it—kids are more work than you can possibly grasp until you have them. But claiming they have “no benefits” is nonsense. Relationships are the most important part of life, and kids are more likey than any other relationship to be the best one you’ll ever experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/25 06:55 AM
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And some women are sluts. Doesn't disprove the rule.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 11:52 AM
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Men don't like being emotionally vulnerable with people and when they are, they're highly selective. Women don't like being sexuality vulnerable with people and when they are they're very selective. They opposite is also true for both sexes.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 11:51 AM
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Getting cheated on doesn't make you a cuck. Letting your girlfriend fuck other guys does.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 11:48 AM
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It's not 65% of women don't want marriage or kids. it's a 2024 Pew Research Center survey found that among Americans aged 18 to 34 who have never been married, 69% still desire to marry eventually, 23% are uncertain, and 8% do not wish to marry . In the same age group, 64% of women without children express no desire to have kids, compared to 50% of men. The vast majority of women would still like to get married and have kids as shown here https://news.gallup.com/poll/164618/desire-children-norm.…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 09:21 AM
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That's literally what it is. Some guys get off over watching or hearing about their partner sleeping with other men. It's called a cuck fetish, they're cucks.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 09:08 AM
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All entirely true and reasonable and you're correct in your feelings and actions. The only note I'd have is that on your second point while you're correct, it's kind of missing that men are very selective with who we find attractive in terms of emotional openness where women tend to be the opposite way around. Which also in part would explain how men feel more slighted by physical cheating and women by emotional affairs.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 08:57 AM
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I'm not saying that women find red pill men appealing. I'm saying that lying asshole (bluepill) is worse than honest asshole (redpill) which is still way worse than honest decent guy (like your boyfriend.)
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 07:54 AM
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I used to work in gay night clubs and I'm not gay. It was validating to get complimented and hit on. It also was unwanted and made me feel uncomfortable a lot of the time. Something can be mostly bad with a bit of good. I'd much rather have not got hit on at all by men but there was a level of validation I felt by being hit on. So while the validation is nice it simply comes at too much of a high cost and I'm a big guy so I wasn't physically threatened in any way, so I'd assume it's much worse f…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 07:51 AM
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This is why Women are learning that the bluepill guys are even worse than the redpill guys. At least redpill guys are honest about being degenerates and don't pretend to be moral.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 07:36 AM
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If its unconditional love then why are dog pounds overloaded so much they have to put down the dogs and cats?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/25 08:03 PM
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Animals have conditions too. If I start to find my wife too annoying or expensive I don't get to kill her. People do that to pets all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/25 03:25 PM
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He's awesome.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/25 11:25 AM
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You've just not thought about what pets provide. When you do, you realise it's very conditional. When they don't provide the following people have them put down or give them to shelters. Emotional support & companionship Reduce feelings of loneliness Offer unconditional affection and loyalty Provide a sense of purpose, especially for people living alone Mental health benefits Lower stress and anxiety (stroking a pet can reduce cortisol) Improve mood by triggering “feel-good” hormones like oxytoc…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/25 07:48 AM
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Men aren't collectivist, women are. When you say "A small percentage of men having multiple concubines" it really means and what we can see from DNA testing is it means about the top third of men. Yes it benefits the bottom 2 thirds but they had no power. Now here’s the catch if women need men to raise their kids then it is also in men’s interest to raise their kids. Women need men with excess resources. If a man only has enough to feed himself then what good is he to a women and a baby?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/25 07:27 AM
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Any man who is or has been considered attractive will tell you that women treat you very differently. In my early to mid-20s, I was in that “attractive” category for several years, and the contrast was striking — night and day. Women went from treating me with suspicion and avoidance to greeting me warmly and even introducing themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/25 07:22 AM
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If men don't have assured paternity they have zero incentive to care for women at their most vulnerable. Again it's for women as the alternative was being a single mother with no social care. Christianity was the religion of women and slaves for a reason. It's not for the rich powerful men who'd much rather have multiple concubines.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/25 03:08 PM
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Nah men have 4 for women Keepers - marriage material Sleepers - short term dating Sweepers - girls you'd sleep with but not want to be seen with Nopes - girls too unattractive even if she's asking to come over and blow you while you're drunk.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/25 09:00 AM
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But a 300lb women with a contoured nose and hair extensions is way more attractive right?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/25 08:58 AM
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Ok so next time someone without kids asks me about kids rather than making a joke about how one's decided he can't go anywhere without his stuffed dinosaur which he keeps misplacing, I Should tell them that it's most most important set of relationships possible and without it life would feel hollow and I feel like people without kids are missing out on the most valuable relationship it's possible to have and that relationships are what make life worth living? Do you understand how weird it'd be …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/25 08:17 AM
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By using the Socratic method. What do you think about men who are struggling with dating? Why do you think men are checking out of dating? Why do you think women are struggling to find husbands? What do you think about the growing animosity between the sexes?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/25 08:10 AM
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I'm not arguing it didn't. I'm arguing marriage exists to protect women. It's what women want because it means protections for them around pregnancy. It's women effectively saying "I'll only have sex with you if you take responsibility for the consequences."
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/25 07:20 AM
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It's funny because the single guys I know are of the shared opinion that they have no interest in living with women again because of this Indian giver thing women do. It's very easy to live alone and girlfriends have a tendency to do things for you that you don't want them to do then they act like you're mistreating them because of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 12:28 PM
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Or men cheat because their wife/girlfriend stops being nice to them and starts treating them like shit. Then some other girl comes along and is nice to them and the stark contrast is appealing. It's exactly the same with women. They get tired of being mistreated then some other guy is nice and attentive and they find themselves more drawn to them than their distant husband/boyfriend.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 08:43 AM
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Nope. Go look at the Romans and Christianity. It was the religion of women and slaves because it was anti mistreatment and pro marriage. Marriage exists to protect women. Women having sex outside of marriage was and often still is a disaster for women. We know where brothels were by the graves of dead infants. Pregnancy is the enforcement for no sex outside of marriage. Marriage is the technology woman use to prevent being fucked over by pregnancy.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 04:33 AM
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It no doubt differs from women to women but in my opinion I'd say a man they find attractive who matches up to their father. By that I mean a man able to supply them with a similar level of financial freedom their parents had. I don't think many women, after working so hard to achieve degrees and careers want to face a considerably lower living standard than their mother's who likey didn't have degrees and careers. Obviously this is just my opinion and I have 0 evidence for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/25 11:15 AM
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It's worth doing a deeper dive into the stats. It's not that people are having fewer children, it's that a lot of women are having 0 children and dragging the stats down. The reason for that is complex but it's mostly not meeting a suitable man. For the most part women who have met a guy who is suitable to have children with still want the typical 2-3 kids where I think men don't want more than 2.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/25 09:10 AM
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I live in the UK.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/25 05:39 AM
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The office lady is a model and and actress. She's cosplaying as a salary woman for a shoot. https://x.com/kawausosuki0513 I'm sure some guys do have an Asian fetish where they like women just for being Asian but to say "and nothing else" is crazy.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 09:27 AM
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Anecdotal too but I'm a parent so most people I now know are parents and I see the exact opposite. The women want more kids and the men are saying no because it's so much work and the expense is too high.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 08:46 AM
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I don't think guys expect you to be more interested in them but you have to show some interest. If you show us zero interest then it's much better to go for a different girl who shows some interest. It's like sales. Cold calling is really hard while if someone is making inquiries it's a lot easier.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 11:11 AM
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No it assumes that trying to negotiate attraction is a fools errand. You're going to have much better luck if you go for women who show an interest in you rather than trying to get a women who isn't interested in you to become interested in you.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 08:23 AM
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This seems like classic survivorship bias. You're looking at the men who are still going because the ones who gave given up just don't interact. You're looking at the small number of men who huff and puff and make a scene rather than the very large numbers that just quietly walk away. I know a bunch of guys that have given up on the idea of committed relationships. The vast majority of women would like to get married and have children if they are able to find a guy who who meets their standards.…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/25 08:41 AM
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Well fortunately my now wife and I were friends at the time and she'd listen to me moan about my life. I really didn't care about her sleeping around as I'd already broken up with her, it was more just crazy how she attempted to manipulate me into moving to a terrible location after I'd told her I don't want to see her again and while she was sleeping around. Anyway I hope it answered your question about how crap relationships with women can be.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/25 04:32 AM
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My dad got a terminal cancer when I was in my early 20s and my mum left in my mid teens so he was really my only support structure. During that time I dated 3 different women. Each of them had 0 sympathy and it was very obvious they didn't want to hear about it and treated the fact, I had to go see him like I was ignoring them to watch football or something. I also dated a girl with BPD. There was a load of lies and manipulation but last and kind of funniest was after I broke up with her she kep…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/25 08:11 AM
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I'm in the UK and it's not really true. Women out earn men up to the age of 35 then after that never married women out earn never married men. Which just means women chose to drop their wage and prioritise children and men tend to take less enjoyable but higher paying work after having kids. It's not sexism it's just differences in choices.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/25 07:50 AM
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This is what I've been trying to communicate on here. Both sexes feel like they've been replaced. You don't need protection or provision and men don't need a house keeper as tech has made living alone super easy for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/25 07:22 AM
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But you're not being paid less for the same work. You're going into different jobs that have lower pay. That's you refusing to take responsibly for your choices. Why are women not responsible for earning less by picking philosophy over engineering at university?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/25 08:46 AM
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The tailban are your opposite number. They believe in only the masculine and you believe in only the feminine. The tailban don't think women should be allowed to have women's spaces. You don't believe in mens spaces and campaign against them. The taliban belive every form of dress outside of the burka is a provocation that means the women is at fault if she's sexually assaulted. You belive that no matter how provocatively you dress men can never so much as look at you without permission (we see …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/25 05:00 AM
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If men still desired relationships they'd make changes and get in them. Men obviously don't desire relationships because they are unwilling to so much as try talking to women. Men want relationships in the same way I'd like to be a billionaire. It'd be nice but I don't care I'm not and I'm not going to make it my ambition to be one.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/25 04:34 PM
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Well maybe you should start a new campaign of "don't believe all women" or "most men aren't trash" or "it's okay to speak to women" That'd be accountably for bad previous behaviour.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/25 12:54 PM
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It's not a matter of lacking and need so much as it is a symbiotic relationship that benefits both parties. As those benefits fade as they have been doing for a long time but drastically so in the past 10-20 years then what's left is desire. This is why I think hedonism and lack of commitment is coming from. You don't have to like it but there's not a single object you can see in front of you that you can't guess the value of with some level of accuracy. It's just part of human nature to put a v…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/25 12:46 PM
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Well that's kinda sad but on the plus side they're clearly deranged.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/25 08:04 AM
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Can you expand on that?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/25 07:25 AM
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But men never really needed marriage to have sex outside of sex work which is paying a woman who doesn't want to have sex with you to have sex with you, which most men find gross. You absolutely had to get married to have sex until contraception and abortion became available.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/25 07:20 AM
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But you do bring one thing he wants (sex) and a bunch of other things he might not want or need. the problem is women bring increasingly little to the table. Mostly because of tech but also because of this terrible attitude of "I'm not your therapist" and rambling about "emotional labour". If the only thing of value you bring is sex then he'll be interested in you for a while but if it's just hedonistic then as with all hedonists they'll seek variety. As OP said “why but the cow when the milk is…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/25 07:16 AM
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Yeah that's the completely rational but incredibly unfortunate conclusion that more and more people are going to come up with. There's a doom loop of people who feel like they're going to be screwed over so either don't engage or engage only for hedonism which just makes the doom loop continue to spiral down.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/25 07:05 AM
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I think that's about as naive as people who think communism is a good idea because "if we just share everything everyone will work really hard and everyone will be equally rich" People pair up and have committed relationships because the other person is valuable to you in several different ways. The more ways you remove the value they offer you the less you're going to commit. People don't hire people in roles that require a high degree of responsibility because they're fun to be around, likeabl…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/25 06:49 AM
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Go to a nightclub and people watch. Woman will get mad if a guy they deem below them tries to hit on them It's because they feel like that guy hitting on them makes them look bad. It's definitely not a status symbol, it's the opposite.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/25 04:28 AM
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No you're just describing attractive/ high status people vs un attractive/ low status people. Having a woman who looks like a pig is an embarrassment not a status signal. Having a broke ugly dude is not a status symbol. Having attractive people is a status simble especially for men and having a billionaire on your arm is definitely a status signal for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 05:35 PM
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100%. The difference is that women have been finding it increasingly easy to live without men since the 70s where as this is all quite new for men. The house management stuff was always "womens work" now it's the job of tech. Providing was mens job now women are providing for themselves. The question increasingly becomes "What is the point of you?" you see more and more articles and comments here saying stuff like "your girlfriend isn't your therapist" or talking about the emotional labour of be…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 07:19 AM
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I think it's more to do with men simply no longer feeling like relationships offer them anything. Household management as a single, childless man is incredibly easy you have porn, online gaming, access to pretty much all media ever to exist, online banking, billing, shopping, groceries, washing machines, dishwashers, roombas, it's cheaper to replace than repair and now AI makes things even easier. To me this has ruined women's ability to negotiate in a relationship, the same way women having the…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 06:51 AM
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Everyone sees high status people as status symbols. That's what being high status means. It's why women like men who are tall, rich and powerful and yes why men like hot women. By being selected by a high status person it makes you look high status. Everyone is playing a status game, you can't solve it. It's as part of us as any other part of our psychology. There's no fixing these things. You can't reengineer humans to stop caring about their social position.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 04:27 AM
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I've worked in incredibly shit warehouses. No rapes.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 04:19 AM
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Yeah it's just sour grapes across the board. The problem is it's very hard to argue with someone who says "I tried and failed, what would you have me do? Why shouldn't I just give in and cope?"
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 12:44 PM
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if a guy has 2D waifu he is ridiculed and called a loser. If a girl goons over some vampire-werewolf, men have to be better to compete, what? The view is that men would only do that because he can't get a women and women would only do that because men don't meet their standards. I think reality is closer to a lot of men think women are asking too much of them so are choosing to not engage (think gen Z quiet quitting underpaid positions) and women frustrated with not being able to get what she ex…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 09:46 AM
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No there's boardroom quotas and you can't have an all male panel as it's now a sexist manal.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 06:58 PM
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That they literally have to hand it over to a woman even if she's unqualified? It's literally giving someone something they don't deserve. If they deserved it then they wouldn't need quotas. They exist to exclude the most deserving.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 05:55 PM
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Hiring quotas.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 03:27 PM
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Nope. It's a huge issue. As it is in Germany and the Netherlands where prostitution is more legal and there's significant issues here in the UK as it's semi legal. I know people who work in the industry in the UK and they're very open about how much sketcky shit happens.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 03:16 PM
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Porn is legal and full of abuse.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 08:50 AM
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Do you mean just about to start their internship or now fully qualified?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 06:53 AM
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You hear things like I've got plenty of options in (insert undeveloped country) cool. I've got plenty of options there, too, as my single wage has the same effect as yours. I don't think most women want to be the sole bread winner for some deeply sexist, social conservative guy from like Thailand. Guys like the idea of having a housewife I don't really think women like the idea of having a house husband that thinks women should do all the cooking and cleaning.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 08:48 AM
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Do you think they consider it a flex? If I buy goods from china because they're cheaper it's not a flex but I'm happy I got a product I want for a price I can afford. I don't really see it any differently as someone who makes a decent wage for the US but just about good in New York moving to a poorer state with their savings and being way more successful and wealthy there to up their ability to date.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 07:58 AM
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Why is simping seen as devaluing to men? Because you're giving away something of value. you can try and argue that purity Shouldn't be something men value, but it is. Men can argue women shouldn't be attracted to height or money, but they are. You don't get to pick what other people find attractive. You can't conversion therapy us. This stuff is all hard wired. Exclusivity has value at every level and that obviously includes sex and relationships. "I can get the girl who no other guy could" has …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 07:21 AM
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You guys have a new thing each week! All you fucking do is go on about it. ✅ Feminist sex strike Women collectively withholding sex from men to protest patriarchal injustices or push for social change — echoing the ancient Greek play Lysistrata but applied to modern causes like abortion rights or anti-violence campaigns. ✅ 4B Movement A radical South Korean feminist movement (“No Dating, No Sex, No Marriage, No Childbirth with men”) rejecting relationships with men as a form of protest against m…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 09:06 AM
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Marriage is about joining your finances. You shouldn't look at is as "I earn X and my partner earns Y" it's "We earn Z". It's you both put what you can into the pot and you use that to pay for things.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 09:00 AM
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Most people are not capable smart human beings. If your only positive attribute is being attractive should I just ignore it?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 08:53 AM
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Well with gender roles there were specific "I bring this to the table and you bring this to the table" now women bring what men brought and tech brings what women brought. theredpill analysis of this is there's a poor return on investment when it comes to long term dating or marriage. If you just want to hang out with people for fun not to build something then why limit yourself to one person when there's lots of fun people out there. I'm married and I don't agree with their analysis but I see w…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 12:37 PM
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I don't see how they're mutually exclusive? All I'm trying say that if you're looking for someone to build something with not just someone who'd fun to hang out with then they need to have complimentary skills/attributes. If they don't then why marry them as they're just someone you like hanging out with not someone to help you achieve your shared goals.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 12:21 PM
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I'm not saying women have to cook and clean all the time any more than i'm saying men have to be the sole breadwinners trying not to fall of a skyscraper. What I'm saying is that in order to have a decent life then men needed women and women needed men. It was incredibly difficult for women to provide for themselves and it was incredibly difficult for a man to manage a house with out a wife. This reality has been getting less and less, generation by generation. We're now at the point where women…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 11:46 AM
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I don't think it's a matter of desperation, it's more men and women had sets of skills that the other sex valued. Relationships at least marriages are because you each bring a set of valuable things to the table on top of loving each other. Just liking someone isn't going to make them a good husband. People aren't cats, you don't just sign over half your life because some ones fun to sit on the sofa with. The point of marriage is to work with someone you love and together you build a better life…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 10:13 AM
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The Redpill argument isn't that they don't want more traditional relationships. It's that they're increasingly hard to come by and increasingly less valuable and more risky, while casual sex is increasingly easy to come by, if you're moderately attractive and willing to put in the effort. The issue with trad relationship is that 1) It's very hard to be the sole bread winner for a family today. 2) There's not many women who want to just be a housewife for life. 3) The value of a housewife is gett…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 09:03 AM
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The grapes are a metaphor for desires/goals. The thing to do when you struggle to reach your goals is to either workout an alternative solution or reassess your goals if they're unrealistic. It's not to say that your goals were actually bad and stop trying. That's not a good path to go down. You're choosing to be bitter rather than improving. Copes are bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/25 06:00 AM
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If you don't see what's wrong with it you need to understand the fox and the grapes.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 08:16 AM
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If women are really attracted to men based on their intelligence then the most intelligent person in the world must be a sapiosexuals wet dream.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 07:56 PM
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So it's a cope. You're not really choosing to stop dating. You're being forced to stop dating by being unable to attract the right person. If your only choice is between a bad relationship and no relationship I get "taking control" by picking no relationship but you're only doing it because you lack the option of a good relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 07:50 PM
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It's not a binary choice. You might as well be asking Would you rather a guy be rich but dog dick ugly or homeless but hot. There's a whole area in the middle that's much more attractive than either extream and they make up the larger percentage of the population.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 05:49 AM
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Ask most women, and they will tell you that older women are more attractive because we know ourselves and what we want. This is why children aren't allowed to grade their own homework. What you think men should find attractive has absolutely nothing to do with what men do find attractive. Women don't get to choose what men find attractive anymore than men get to decide what women find attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 05:35 AM
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I did move on. I'm not mad at her for embarrassing herself by being a dick. My point is sometimes women will call a dude doing nothing creepy a creep. It was my first day doing that shit job and I was nervous as it meant approaching every single person in the club. I get why she thought I was some very awkward guy trying to hit on her friends, as that's exactly what it'd look like. I'll even steal man the opposing argument and tell you I did it for a year 3 nights a week that that's the only tim…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/25 05:55 PM
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most guys who complain about how they were called a creep for "no reason at all" were probably leaving something out. I got called a creep for doing my job at a bar in front of a group of women. The lady that did it apologised when she realised I was just a member of staff doing my job but they do it all the time. Working in bars is pretty blackpilling especially if you have a lot of time to just people watch.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/25 07:56 AM
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You wouldn't have to convince them of anything just remove contraception. Once sex becomes consequential then people will have sex with people who demonstrate commitment. High smv men won't be able to sleep around so will have to commit removing them from the market.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 06:48 PM
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I don't think it's a matter that looks are men's primary concern but the more attractive you are the more likey they will want to know more about you. I can't imagine many people not wanting to be more attractive as it gives you better options and people treat you better. I was a late bloomer and had a huge glow up when I was 19/20 and my options and the difference in how women interacted with me was night and day.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 06:27 PM
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Okay but let's say you're just looking at averages do you think 21 year old women have higher Smv than 31 year old women?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 03:12 PM
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So what percentage of the 10% of men in your age group would you say that you match with and how would you say that compared to the experience of the average guy?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 06:13 AM
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Smv allows you to attract more people which gives you more options. Do you think if you had your glow up at 21 rather than 30 you would have had a higher Smv than you did at 30?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 04:19 AM
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So go for those guys on dating apps? You'll probably have a 50% match rate. How is that worse than what men deal with?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 04:14 AM
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Don't base your view on women on the women here. Would you want women as a whole to judge men based on the guys here. Reddit is a magnet for crazy and this place is a magnet for crazy people. Most people, normal people don't talk like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 06:52 PM
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What percentage of men do you have 0 attraction towards?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 05:04 PM
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Well if you drop having to be into 1 specific game and maybe just a guy who's okay with having fish even if he's not super into it then you'll prob have a shot. I guess it just depends on what you're willing to be flexible on. Or you could just flirt with every guy who plays rust and see how that goes.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 01:33 PM
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Well that likely drops it down to about 1-2 guys in Aus.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 01:29 PM
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So dating is hard for you because you're hyper selective? there's what 100,000 people who play rust then you also want them to be into fish and about 7% of Americans have pet fish and you want him to be tall and have a big dick that's maybe top 20% height and big dick 20% and you want him to be dominant about 35% if we're talking big 5 personality traits. There are about 165 million males in the U.S., with about 125 million adults. Assume you're dating in the 18–45 range: roughly 60 million men.…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 01:23 PM
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Can you describe exactly why it feels like that? It sounds to me more like your hungry and there's a bunch of junk food options but nothing very good meanwhile guys are starving to death.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 12:44 PM
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The point can be to have fun and also to reward the people who win. Competing is fun, that's why online games are so popular. They'd be less popular if they didn't keep score and you never got to win.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 12:30 PM
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Are you sure that's the case? I've heard of competitiveness being scorned at school sports days etc
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 12:11 PM
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Well it does because we're talking about everyone being rewarded for showing up as much as they are for doing well. What's the point in working hard for a trophy if everyone gets one is the same mentality as what's the point in working hard when I just get paid the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 11:12 AM
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Thats already the case. I had to tell my roommate to stop pushing herself because it was affecting her health. No matter how hard she worked, those 40 hours pay the same wage. Which means she has an awful employer. A good employer rewards good behaviour, it makes people more productive and gives them a pathway to advancement. This is why people are anti participation trophies and the abolishment of AP classes. equity just demoralises people.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 09:48 AM
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If you're willing to do everything you can to be a good wife and he's doing everything he can to be a good husband then you're doing nothing wrong. The idea of a marriage is a partnership where you both try your best for each other. The reason marriages fail so much is people don't want to do anything but expect the other person to keep delivering.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 09:45 AM
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It's not a matter that participation trophies are all bad, it's a matter that if you don't reward excellence then no one tries to be excellent. If you get paid the same no matter how hard you work and how often you stay late then the incentive is to work just hard enough to not get fired.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 09:11 AM
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Oh well if you don't live in a westen nation then you'll likey find it much easier to find commitment because men aren't punished for commitment like they are in the west.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 09:06 AM
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Is marrying up exploitative/greedy No. The issue I see you facing is the same issue a lot of women are facing, which is what's the high earning guys incentive to sign over his resources to you? If he's able to make a womens life easy, he's going to be highly desirable and so why would that guy want to get married? My wife and I have an equal relationship, so divorce would really be mutually assured destruction. But if you have a high earning guy and a low earning women, then divorce massively be…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 08:03 AM
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Can anyone explain to me the point of onlyfans? What do you get for your money? Why can't you just use free sites? What makes it good value for money to be spending that much money?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 08:06 AM
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I'm saying that she's clear proof women can happily pair up with less hot men. Are you saying her SMV has gone up or remained the same by getting much older and being divorced to Tom fucking Brady? you think guys want to date that guys ex wife? She could very easily get a man just as attractive as Tom A model maybe but not someone with Toms SMV as almost no guy in the world has his SMV. Your lack of understanding my rebuttal isn't my problem your rebuttal is an anecdote about an aging model. You…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 08:03 AM
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What am I supposed to be explaining? Their relationship failed and she found a new guy? Are you arguing she could have picked any other guy on Bradies level after she divorced him but chose that guy above them? It seems to me like the relationship failed and now she's had to level down because she's older. Older women have less ability to get very high SMV guys than younger women, plus she's already no doubt got a very decent payout for the divorce. I really don't understand your argument here a…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 07:44 AM
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I don't think it's extraordinary to say when people get used to a certain standard of anything it hurts then to have to lower it. From food, to housing, to income, to health, to your car etc etc. If you get used to having access to better than average even if it's just a rental you're going to feel it when you have to drop to mediocre. to me it seems like you'd have to provide evidence that for some magical reason that doesn't exist in dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 07:16 AM
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Maybe they don't want men in their changing rooms, Or they don't want young girls to be transed because they're struggling with their sexuality or are autistic or have suffered sexual abuse. or don't think abortion up til birth is a good thing or maybe they don't want child traffickers in their country or maybe they don't want the high crimes rates or maybe they don't want rapists crossing the border unchecked and being moved into their town though the refugee resettlement program. Maybe it's th…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 07:11 AM
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had a major glow up after I turned 30 Do you think if you had said glow up when you were 20 and just stuck with it, your SMV would have gone up or down between 21 and whatever age you are now? I think what TRP argues is that your potential highest SMV exists for women in their early 20s. You can obviously squander it then have a glow up later and thus have a higher SMV at 35 than 25 but you could have had a much higher SMV at 25 than 35 if you really put in the effort at 25.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 07:00 AM
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When I was at uni, I worked in nightclubs selling photo keyrings. On my first day I nervously approached a group of girls to ask them if they wanted one. Their friend returned from the bar with drinks and very loudly asked her friends "Who's this creep" When she realised the situation, she apologised profusely. It always made me think how much that would have stung if I was trying to approach them. It definitely put me off the idea of cold approaching groups of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/25 06:59 AM
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I don't know. I guess couples would have to discuss that themselves. Personally I wouldn't do it or accept it as my wife and I agreed to "forsaking all others" and "in sickness and in health" I think the only time it's acceptable to end a marriage/cheat if if your partner complely steps over the lines of their vows. That'd be things like serious abuse, abandonment, cheating, loss of affection, becoming a drunk/drug addict or gambling you into ruin.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/25 03:48 PM
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I worked in clubs and bars while at Uni and I can tell you for a fact women take rejection way worse than guys. yes you'll get the rare guy who gets pissed off but almost every women gets upset if a guy rejects her.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/25 07:55 AM
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No. But if you were to say "if your partner refuses all kinds of affection" I'd say perhaps as that's really a breach of their vows. You can still maintain a sex life without PIV, It's not great but you can do it and your partner is making an effort and it's a medical condition that prevents them from having PIV then that's absolutely not an excuse to fuck other men/women.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/25 07:46 AM
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The issue is that liars say they're trustworthy too. Con artists don't tell you they're con artists. They are called con artists because they create confidence that you can trust them and then they rob you. If you want to be trusted then prove it and say "I want you to never doubt my fidelity so I'll do a dna test"
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 04:33 PM
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If trust was enough marriage wouldn't exist. Are you not going to marry your partner before you get pregnant because you trust him not to abandon you and leave you holding the baby with no recourse for support?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 03:13 PM
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Fortunately they're typically not the men women see as desirable.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 10:37 AM
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Good. The more open they are with their toxic shit the more men will wake up to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 09:55 AM
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So a women sends a message to the world that men suck. Men respond and say "I'd prefer if you stopped this crap" and you're response is that it's mens fault? Dignified rebuttals to sexism are now "furthering the gender war".
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 09:54 AM
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Well I'm married and my wife and I both bring a lot to the table so it's not an issue. I certainly wouldn't marry a women who said I have to do everything because she has sex with me. You don't have to, someone else will Going by the stats on the percentage of women who want to get married and have kids VS the number of women who are getting married and having kids, you're wrong. Stats for desire to get married and have kids https://news.gallup.com/poll/164618/desire-children-norm.aspx number of…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 09:39 AM
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Sex, love, attention, intimacy, emotional labour Every man and women offers these things to each other. They're default. What Special things are you bringing to the table that means you deserve special treatment? Why am I paying for everything on top of doing everything for you that you do for me?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 07:41 AM
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I’m carrying a baby for him and he still doesn’t trust me? How does he know it's his baby other than "just trust me bro?" If you want marriage before children is that because you don't trust your partner?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 07:25 AM
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Today, people remain in relationships because they choose to, not because they have to. Do they? Try buying a house or having kids on a single income. If the old point of marriage was men needing women to run the home and women needing men for money than all we've done is used tech to run the home and now we both need each other for money. Yes you can survive on your own easier now but if you want what our parents or grand parents had you still need to find someone and work together to achieve i…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 07:09 AM
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It's pretty simple. Attractive and nice = price charming Unattractive and nice = friendzone attractive and misogynistic = Bad boy unattractive and misogynistic = Incel Get it?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 07:04 AM
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If there was a national DNA database and every child that was born was put on there and matched to their parents that'd solve both issues right? Like you'd see that your husband is on the DNA database with 2 other kids that aren't yours. Would you be happy with that as a solution to both issues?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 11:18 AM
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The act of marriage is an act of proving trust. It's saying "If I break my vows you can take all my stuff" There's no such thing for paternity fraud. Marriage exists because women rightly don't trust men to leave them holding the baby because a guy saying "Just trust me babe" isn't enough. That's all DNA tests are. They're men saying "just trust me bro" isn't enough in the case of 18 years of times and money.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 06:48 AM
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The largest study on non paternal parents was done in Sweden though tests of blood samples in their systems. Turns out about 1 in 50 men are not the father. If 1 in 50 babies were being mixed up by hospitals they'd be a better system put in place. It doesn't mean you hate the Drs or the Nurse's. It's just no one wants to raise a child that isn't their own unless they know before hand and are actively making that choice. There's nothing wrong with someone saying that "just trust me" isn't enough.…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 06:41 AM
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I should stop being shallow because I like my wife's personality? I just told you we were friends for years. I wasn't trying to get in her pants. She was just someone fun to talk to I don't understand how me not caring about how much money she makes means I'm shallow. You honestly sound like an insane person. You should show this thread to your husband so he knows how completely deranged you are.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 07:29 PM
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Why do you you think that's what they want? A series of normal relationships is preferable we just don't want any felons or find out you used to suck a guys dick for weed or used to be into group sex or something else gross.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 07:14 PM
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You're right however this proves the number of people wanting kids hasn't really changed https://news.gallup.com/poll/164618/desire-children-norm.aspx
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 03:19 PM
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Everyone should do what you're doing and working to better themselves while looking for someone similar to work together with. I'm sorry that the dating market is such a mess, it's just as bad for women as for men just in very different ways. I'm surprised with the number of men I know personally who could be in relationships but just avoid it now.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 02:54 PM
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Men are. They're just not taking responsibility for anyone else. That's what checking out is.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 02:41 PM
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I've never argued that. You should both invest in each of your careers and both support your partner at the same time.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 01:00 PM
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The 84% came from women already thinking about motherhood and financially able to choose staying at home. Where's your evidence for this? I went though the data using chatgpt and grok and that's not what it said. It was offered to users of both forbes women and the bump and the bump has less than 10% of the traffic of forbes women.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 12:59 PM
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how do you know your appreciation will last whe she’s no longer beautiful and young? She's already not young and I love her more than ever. Not only do I find her as attractive as ever I have an ever increasing amount of admiration for what she does for me and our kids. I get relationships fail but most relationships don't or at least not first marriages.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 12:56 PM
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I agree and I think nothing is going to stop women from fucking around while they build there careers then ask themselves "Where have all the good men gone" This is the issue with dating. Too many men are checking out or only working hard to slut it up and too many women are fucking around with guys who aren't interested in working towards something together then trying to wait at the finish line when they're ready to settle down. It's a fucking mess.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 12:50 PM
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Why would they “build something with you” when men think it’s all theirs: see every dude who claims everything is his in the divorce and she doesn’t deserve anything. that's not true. Here's a previous quote my me on here. Honestly it's because I trusted my wife more than I've trusted anyone. We'd been friends was 6 years before we dated and we knew each others flaws and issues. She stuck with me when I was at the lowest point of my life and she makes my life better every day. I don't really thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 12:44 PM
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Correct. I'm sure you've noticed by now I'm not defending men. The guys who do make an effort often find they become very desirable and so choose to fuck different women, rather than commit. Further ruining the dating pool. Was my quote. I don't think men using and degrading women is a good thing. I think it makes women hate men and makes everything worse for everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 12:38 PM
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Men don’t want kids. They don’t have a drive for KIDS. They want sex. Absolutely true for young men. And it's young men making the decisions when men are young. They aren’t building a career for kids, but for sex. And unless some young nubile woman is there dating them in their twenties, they see no point. Because getting a 28 year or 30 year old woman isn’t good enough for them, especially since she dated before them. Correct men aren't willing to work for a decade to maybe have a chance of hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 12:36 PM
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It was also by Forbes women who you'd assume would feel differently. Also the traffic from the bump is roughly 6-7 million per month while traffic from forbes women is 91 million per month so the vast majority of the data is going to be from forbes not the bump.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 12:29 PM
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read down, I'm not defending this behaviour. I'm arguing it's the cause for men checking out.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 12:20 PM
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I didn't say that at all. I'm glad women are building themselves up and I'm sad men aren't. I'm simply saying the reasons why I think that's the case. Namely women are able to date and so enjoy building themselves up while men are only able to do this is they're very attractive and that men are happy with less so our desire to get more is normally for women/our kids. If we don't have women or kids we tend to be okay with not a lot. Much like the Hikikomori, in Japan.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 12:06 PM
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In the past, all men were settled for. Women married them to have money. I don't think anything has changed it's just now the amount of money has drastically increased. Now women are looking for someone they like. Most of y’all are not likable though. Yeah, I know. That was the point of my maturity crisis post
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 11:32 AM
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The difference is women are able to date while they have 0 money or status and youth is valuable to men and status and money aren't. That's not the same for men. For an average guys they will have little to no success in dating during this period so they don't see why they should work their ass off from 18-30 to maybe have a chance of being settled for.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 11:20 AM
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Nope. As I've said women want to date hot guys when they're younger then wait at the finsih line for the successful ones as they get older. This isn't all women obviously but it's an ever growing trend. Women want to date guys based on where they are right now, not on the character traits that make them good partners. I was very lucky with my wife. We'd been friends for about 6 years but both always been in relationships. when she became single she asked me out, much to my surprise as my life wa…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 11:17 AM
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https://www.forbes.com/sites/meghancasserly/2012/09/12/is-opting-out-the-new-american-dream-for-working-women/ "84% of working women viewed staying home to raise children as a "financial luxury" they aspired to" It's not that women don't want to be mothers it's that they can't find men who can provide them with the ability to do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 11:13 AM
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It's not a matter of not building a life it's a matter of not working really hard for shit you don't need. Men are perfectly happy in their apartments with a big TV. We really don't need much, so if women aren't going to engage then why bother.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 11:06 AM
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Why's it bad for me? I'm lucky enough that I'm very tall so managed to be one of the guys women wanted to have flings with and I'm married and my wife and I built everything together. I'm also not redpill. I'm purple.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 11:00 AM
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Sure, it's women saying "We're not willing to do the work to build something with you" and men saying "well then I'm not going to share what I build"
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 10:55 AM
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Yeah it's women wanting to date the hot guy until they're ready to settle down. That means regular guys don't want to be settled for at 30 when the women are finished having their fun. Why kill yourself to be settled for becomes mens view.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 10:53 AM
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The issue there is while you're building yourself up, you're able to date hot guy's as men want youth and don't care about money/status. Meanwhile you're telling guys to do it while having little to no relationships and maybe you'll get with them If/when they're successful in their late 20s/early 30s. That's just not appealing to guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 10:51 AM
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Most guys don't become desirable no matter the effort More guys that drop out better your chances are if you try.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 10:21 AM
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No. Women could choose to date guys based on mens positive traits so young men trying to be successful would get girlfriends and it'd encourage them. The issue is women often want to wait and the finish line and pick a guy who has built something rather than working with him to build something together. This means guys don't want to spend a decade trying to build something or if they do they refuse to commit because no one helped him they just want what he has.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 10:20 AM
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It's around double for most STIs so you're correct. You can likey add it women are more neurotic as a character trait too and more likey to go to the Drs. It's definitely a thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 10:16 AM
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Men have a maturity crisis. They look at how to be reasonably successful and see it as too much work with too little reward. "Why should I have to work myself half to death to maybe get a girlfriend in a decade when she can just fuck a bunch of hot guys with 0 effort" - guys aged 18-21 So they Peter Pan it, work enough to support themselves and they just hang out, smoke weed, play videogames and watch porn. The guys who do make an effort often find they become very desirable and so choose to fuc…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 10:12 AM
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That's normally just an incel joke, however they are very anti modern dating with similar criticisms that left wing people have about capitalism.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 10:07 AM
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Everyone else would help a wheelchaired person unto a bus. Yeah I've help people like this. Everyone else also cares about our climate. Nope. I don't care. I do care about pollution but I don't give a fuck about CO2 political tensions I care about my side but I don't give a shit about people who disagree with me, Frankly I think they're trying to ruin everything and they're doing a good job. their closest relatives Sure overall suffering Not really, I'd rather life was better for other people bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 10:04 AM
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I think it's pretty common for guys to only get tested if they have symptoms or if an ex informs them that they tested positive. Also as your said consequences tend to be much higher for women and the risk per exposure is double for women than it is for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 09:59 AM
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Reading between the lines, the complaint is typically “hot women won’t sleep with me”, not “women won’t sleep with me” You're wrong with this. William Costello has done the most in depth research into incels and they have very low standards. He believes that's an evolved phycological system that says to avoid high status women as it'd be very high risk and very low reward. there was also a recent study that showed similar in women where women who view themselves as more attractive are more likey…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 08:40 AM
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The 80/20 rule is 2 different sets of stats. set 1 Is that while men rate women on a normal distribution curve women don't, they rate 80% of men as below average. This is from the OKcupid data and despite what people argue it's never been debunked. set 2 Is 20% of both sexes have about 50% of the casual sex This is from a Springer study off 2000 young people. What TRP is pushing is how to try and be in the top 20% of both of these. In other words how to look good and how to be someone who gets l…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 08:35 AM
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No a system is what it does. The system is set up to screw over men for the benifit of women. If there was a law that said people orientated jobs should pay double the tax of object orientated jobs that'd be anti women and there an 80/20 split roughly.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/25 05:55 AM
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No I'm saying in the vast majority of marriages the women is the low earner and primary parent. This means that if she cheats she'll still get given everything.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 12:49 PM
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Not true at all. Marriage exists to benifit women.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/25 09:10 AM
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I'm not anti child support I'm anti 50/50 when one of them has broken their vows. It should effectively be anulled.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/25 09:10 AM
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That would just be basic child support like in a non married couple. My point is she still gets 50% despite breaking her vows. I don't think it's fair that the guys half of the deal (to support) still remains even if she breaks her agreement to forsake all others. Imo it should annul the marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/25 09:08 AM
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Getting married before having kids is a social norm. Ask yourself why? It's because before contraception and abortion sex = kids. People got married to have sex with each other as it's the only way a women knew the man wouldn't abandon her or say the child wasn't his. This became socially enforced. Again this is the man proving to the women that he's not going to leave her, cheat on her or mistreat her so it's safe for them to have sex. Men can and should have to prove themselves to women. We no…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/25 12:48 PM
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Which used to matter before divorce made everything retarded. There's no enforcement if a women breaks her vows, the guy still has to pay to support her and give her half his stuff and pay for the kids even if she cheats on him. Only the mans vows are enforced in that if he cheats he doesn't get to leave her to the wolves he has to give her his stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/25 12:42 PM
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Which would be an absolutely reasonable take if people were getting married at 20 when they both have nothing and building something together. The average age of marriage here in the UK is 34 years old for men. At that point I think that stuff is his stuff as he did it himself. The fact a 34 year old man can get married and have his wife cheat on him and they take what he built working for the last 10-15 years including his pension is fucking gross.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/25 12:30 PM
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I do know a man which did got married, found out his wife was cheating for years, which broke him. For years he was supporting a wife which wasn't fucking with him, but was fucking with another guy. And he gets to give her half of apartment he bought with his work, he gets to pay her allimony, he gets to give her part of his retirement fund, he gets to keep all professional injuries which he acumulated while working and... all is fair and just. This is what I don't get about OPs post. The punish…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/25 11:34 AM
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Well I'm guessing he's lost half his pension, savings etc and everything they own will likey be hers as it's the primary residence of the child. As she's a stay at home mother it's likey he'll have to pay alimony. Obviously this isn't great and I'm 100% with you that it's not enough to put people off cheating which means it's not enough for marriage to create enough trust. I'm not sure what people would accept as it's broadly women who've pushed for more liberal marriage rules and I don't pictur…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/25 09:44 AM
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I mean if she's a stay and home mother and he's the bread winner the consequence is going to be he losses half his stuff, which is quite a large consequence. I'd rather go to jail for a short period and get to keep everything I'd worked for. I agree that there needs to be greater social consequences for cheaters. This is what Jordan Peterson meant when he said "enforced monogamy" that sent all the feminists into a tail spin as they thought it meant forcing women to marry incels.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/25 09:20 AM
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But they all boil down to security or showing that you're secure. Where does that security comes from? It comes the man being willing to prove it by swearing his loyalty in front of his family, peers and god with legal and/or social enforcement if he breaks his vows. So it's a man PROVING himself loyal so the women can be secure in her trust. This is exactly what paternity tests are. They're saying it's not enough for you to say "just trust me bro" when it comes to raising a child you have to do…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/25 08:54 AM
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Is it weird that women demand marriage before having kids? It seems to me that marriage is a solution to men abandoning the mother of their children and leaving her broke. Doesn't that mean that marriage is women not trusting men not to abandon them? "Just trust me bro" isn't good enough for women so why should it be good enough for men?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/25 08:06 AM
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"If you don't just take my word for it you don't trust me" Is a great argument against marriage. Women want marriage because they don't trust their partners to not abandon them and leave them broke. Saying "just trust me bro" is not enough to bet your life on. If you disagree with paternity you should disagree with women demanding marriage before having kids too.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/25 08:02 AM
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This implies everyone is hyper agentic and it's only though crushing them do they become low agency. This isn't true. A lot of people are very low agency and I don't see an issue with them wanting someone who's very high agency and vice versa. Some women just want to be housewives and not have to deal with the highly competitive and dangerous world. Some men are very driven and are happy to be responsible for these women. Personally it wouldn't be for me, I like high agency women but I've dated …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/25 07:28 AM
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This seems very much like "my preferences good, your preferences bad." You say "your ego is too fragile to ever admit fault" but as I understand it in these kind of trad relationships the guy is very high agency and the women is very low agency meaning the guy is taking 100% of responsibility not 0%.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/25 07:14 AM
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I would try not to listen too much to AI, but if it is the case that you're significantly below average that's rough and I'm sorry. I don't really agree with you on prostitution as if everything is provided for, why would women fuck men they don't want to fuck? I don't really think sex bots are likey but I think we already have the tech to have a vr/ar girlfriend in the style of "her" and "blade runner 2049" so that's coming very soon if it's not here already. Grok does an unfiltered NSFW boyfri…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/25 04:32 AM
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I'd say exactly the same about bodymods. They are bad for people long term.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/25 04:13 AM
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People get addicted to tattoos the same way they get addicted to plastic surgeries. And it's not hard to equate them at all. I did it with great ease and to great effect.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/25 03:57 PM
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Eating fast food, doing drugs and watching porn all day makes people "happy" does that make it in there best interest to do so?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/25 09:47 AM
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My question was more about what things do you think you'd change in how you select. An example would be if you want to marry and have kids at the moment you might pick the guy in finance over the broke musician even if you find the latter more attractive. however in a world where money is kind of irrelevant then you might pick more creative types than secure providers. I'm sorry you feel so down about your looks, I hope you can either get over it as an insecurity or looksmaxx your way out.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/25 08:12 AM
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I'm not sure what this has to do with my question.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/25 08:04 AM
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Did you read my actual post? I explained the idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/25 07:51 PM
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What? I'm saying people who have status and money do better in the dating market than men without status and money. So if you remove status and money things will change. Saying nothing will change is proved wrong by the fact it's already a huge factor.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/25 07:34 AM
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That's my point. If you select the musician but break up because he's broke and going nowhere then do you commit to him in my hypothetical?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/25 04:28 AM
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For that to be true successful people would have to be doing as well as unsuccessful people today in the dating market.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/25 05:39 PM
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I'm always disappointed with women on here. You ask them a basic hypothetical question and they just spaz out. A gigantic upheaval of society would obviously change the dating market but if you judged by the comments you'd think it would change nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/25 05:31 PM
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I was actually going to put a point about this in my post. I would have added that commitment would be a whole new issue as men could have a sex bot/vr/ar girlfriends. So if they want a relationship with you it means they're looking for human connection not just banging a bunch of vr people. I thought it might derail it from my question which was supposed to be "tell me about what you think would change" but instead I've got a bunch of "nothing would change and how dare you ask" responces.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/25 05:27 PM
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My stance is that we pick people based on what they add to our lives. Like it or not money and status matter. My question is if you remove money and status do you go for different values. Like does the broke musician go up in value while the finance guy drop or are you equally attracted to drive for success?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/25 05:20 PM
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Well that's very lucky as I'm 40 and my single friends all talk about how it's an absolute shit show doing online dating today.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/25 06:56 AM
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I didn't say there was a lack of people to date. I said there's a lack of people who are worth dating and/or are interested in long term commitment. I'm sure there's a high availability of incels, puas and Peter pans.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 04:35 PM
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https://marriagefoundation.org.uk/research/divorce-rates-back-to-1970-levels/?utm_source=chatgpt.com This shows rates of divorce drop as rates of marriage decrease with an estimate of 33% for 1st marriages for people who married after 2000. If you don't want to get married that's okay but the stats for 1st marriages are broadly pretty good.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 04:00 PM
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hoped that making me jealous would cause me to 'get a move on'" Did he say that?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 03:18 PM
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I'm in the UK. The average age of marriage is early 30s and people date for several years before that. Also the divorce rate for first marriages is about 35%. It's fine if that's not what you're looking for. I'm just pointing out that people who are more interested in committed relationships are likey to pair up in their late 20s/early 30s.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 02:58 PM
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Well words are cheap and his actions showed the opposite You don't date other people and demand no contact if you want to marry someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 02:52 PM
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honestly it kinda sounds like he fell out of love with you. I know you're using PUA terms like Dread game/Cold shoulder/Being distant on purpose but that's also just what guys do when they're done with a relationship because they start finding you annoying. It's not always manipulation sometimes it's just loss of affection.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 09:44 AM
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I feel like that’s always an option to explore, regardless of age Can you expand on this? to me it seems like the people who are desirable and want committed relationships are going to find each other by their 30s and then that's it, they're out of the game. All you're left with are the people who are either undesirable and/or don't want committed relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 08:17 AM
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Men simply ask for too much and offer too little for me to be interested in a relationship. What are men asking for?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 08:13 AM
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sorry what does "taking some time apart" mean if you still have to act like you're in a relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 08:07 AM
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I'm an older millennial. The apartments I lived in during my 20s are now less affordable now than they were back then and I make way more money. I couldn't afford to buy the house I own for it's current market value.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 07:22 AM
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It's more a matter that a huge amount of women in the work force work in a massively bloated administration system that's broadly not necessarily while mostly men are doing the actual productive work. See. https://np.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/comments/vvhw38/growth_in_administrators_vs_doctors_in_the_us/
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 12:29 PM
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I don't believe people should be having sex unless they're willing to get pregnant. I don't agree with the idea if you create life by having sex you should have a right to murder it because "it was an accident". It's not a mystery that sex creates life. We know contraption is flawed. You're still consenting to creating life you're just hoping it won't happen because you've lowered the odds. Blaming a guy for getting you pregnant because you decided to let him fuck you is like a guy blaming a boo…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/25 06:18 AM
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Sure and it makes sense for men to protect their assets by not getting married. I still think it's sad that people are choosing atomised lives with casual relationships rather than taking a risk
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/25 02:32 PM
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I'm pro choice for some of the reasons you listed. Doesn't change the fact almost all abortions are elective.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/25 02:25 PM
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It's very sad. I hoped that by trying to explain it's also very sad men are avoiding commitment that people might understand but it seems like there's just an ever growing divide.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/25 04:59 PM
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Well I certainly wouldn't date a woman like that. People are allowed to have standards and since men and women are different it's okay to have different standards. If I have a set of skills I don't need someone with the exact same skill set I need a skill set that compliments my skill set.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 02:43 PM
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It's the inability to get a licence. Also I live in Europe it becomes necessary as you get older.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 01:47 PM
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You're right. I know people at work who are mentally ill. I avoid them and where possible I make sure they're not given responsibility because they're the worst. The only consequence of realising mentally ill people suck is that I get to enjoy a life free from mental illness. There's no downsides.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 04:37 AM
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If you're unwilling to do something children do because bwaaaa then what are you going to do when actual adult issues come up? When you fail at basic skills no one is going to trust you with advanced ones. That means you're incompetent and not worth being around.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 04:34 PM
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I'm sorry but what is your argument here? What thanks do you want exactly? Can you tell me what thanks you think are appropriate for having children. Maybe 3 examples and who you expect you to give you them? Oh, wait, I thought it was “no work” at all? You're misreading what I said. I mean she didn't have to go to work not that having kids isn't work. It is.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 04:26 PM
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Depends on them. Anxiety doesn't mean you can't drive and being in a wheelchair doesn't mean you can't do most things. If either just stay home and mope about then I'll call them useless incompetents.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 04:14 PM
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True. I'm not going to be shamed into accepting mentally ill people into my life. They fucking suck.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 04:11 PM
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The traditional sacrifices men made to support their family is to work a job and protect the family (and greater community). These are both tasks that do get respected and also paid real life What has this got to do with life today? You may as well be arguing it's hard to do housework today because modern appliences didn't used to exist. You work your job for free and don’t get money for it? I don't get a penny more for having kids while my wife got paid for 2 years for doing no work. I'd love t…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 04:06 PM
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This is blank slate nonsense and has been entirely debunked. Humans are no different from other animals. We don't pick what we are we just are. This is why you have the identical twin studies which although immoral show that we are who we are by genetics unless there's some severe trauma and why the child abuser Dr Money's experiment failed so badly in attempting to raise a boy as a girl after a botched circumcision. You can see the exact same traits throughout history in cultures that have neve…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 03:56 PM
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This really doesn't fit reality. I don't know what rewards you're talking about. I have kids I've not seen any rewards from it. Frankly no one gives a fuck I have kids other than my wife and my kids. My wife however has had a load (2 years) of paid time off and now gets to work from home and is part of local mums groups while dads groups don't exist. I certainly can't relate at all to what you're saying. Who exactly is it you think is giving us all this stuff and where can I apply? All I'm sayin…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 03:25 PM
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You risk getting hurt when you try to do things from change of job to approaching a girl or taking up a hobby. All I'm hearing is "if I don't try, I can never fail"
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 03:13 PM
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How am I being hypocritical because I don't want to date mentally ill people? I tried it, it made my life hell. And yes I wouldn't date a disabled person. I'm very outdoorsy and don't want date a person in a wheelchair.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 02:52 PM
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I'm not guilting anyone. I'm not saying they must or they have to. I'm saying it's sad that a lack of willingness to try means they'll miss out on the relationships which are going to be the deepest most meaningful relationships you can have. If they don't want to that's fine but it's worth thinking about what you're giving up.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 02:49 PM
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I'm not sure that's true. I've seen plenty of guys lives ruined by divorce.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 02:46 PM
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No it's not. That's a scientist idea of insanity because experiments have the same results if you do them the exact same way. That's not the same thing as practice or adaptation. If I try to juggle and fail I'm not insane for trying again and again until I can juggle.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 02:45 PM
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Believe me men feel the exact same way. If you don't want to then don't. I don't think people who don't want kids should have them. They're a huge amount of work and if you didn't love them it'd be terrible rather than fantastic.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 02:42 PM
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OK allow me to rephrase. The countries that have done the most to increase choice have seem men and women making more stereotypical choices than counties that don't. So when people are free to choose they choose more typical routes. You're acting like this 80/20 split is a 100% guaranteed thing that will happen no matter what No you can probably get some kids to go against their natural interests though praise and punishment but the more you allow them to do what they want the more the 80/20 wil…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 02:35 PM
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It's wild that people get to pick there partners based on traits they do and don't like such as not being fucking useless?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 12:49 PM
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The issue there is that the countries that have done the most to do what you're saying and have more freedom of choice has resulted in more men and women going down more traditional routes. I get you might not like the studies but they all point in one direction and it's about an 80/20 split in terms of personality around the average. So 20% of women will be as into say tech as the average guy and 20% of men will be into kids as much as the average women. However outliers are normally only 1 sex…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 12:47 PM
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I have severe anxiety, depression, and OCD, all of which have limited my ability to learn how to drive and purchase a car. And this is why women don't want to date you. It's not just that you "don't have a car" it's what not having a car indicates. You are incompetent and women like competent men.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 09:27 AM
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Men don't have an out if they get someone pregnant. Even underage boys who have been raped by women have been forced to take responsibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 08:24 AM
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I think this is very sad. You're just saying "I don't like the idea of trusting someone because it could end up hurting me" This is the exact same reason men now refuse to marry. You're giving up the most meaningful relationships you can have, which are the most meaningful things in life, because you're unable to find someone to trust and then trust them. "If I don't try, I can never fail" is a fucking shit mentality.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 07:48 AM
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Yes we're more likey to both fail and succeed, while women are more likey to stay around the average.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 07:08 AM
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No I'm saying there are tendencies in normal distribution. Like If I were to say males are more interested in things and women are more interested in people I don't mean al men or all women. What I mean is that you can do studies on pre socialised infants and see boys more interested in things and girls more interested in people and that then moves onto toys then school subjects then career paths. It's like saying "men are taller than women" I'm not denying that tall women exist I'm just saying …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 07:07 AM
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If women who have abortions had self control they wouldn't need abortions in the first place. It was always doomed to fail.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 08:15 AM
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No it's a test to know if I should take them seriously or dismiss them for looking though the lens of "All differences in outcomes are caused by sexism/misogyny" If something can easily be explained by "Biological sex differences feminists don't like" then I can dismiss their nonsense. E.G. "The WNBA is less popular than the NBA because of misogyny" can be replaced with "The WNBA is less popular than the NBA because men are better at sports because of their biology and people want to watch the p…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 08:08 AM
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So my test is "Can it?" not "It always is" A guy shooting women because he hates women, that is not a biological sex difference feminists don't like. Men doing better in highly competitive fields that require temperaments that are more common in men than women is not misogyny. Just like it's not misandry because men are less interested a jobs caring for infants.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 08:02 AM
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One test I use when it comes to "misogyny" is can it be replaced with "biological sex differences I don't like".? For example the reason why there are more successful men than women is a higher percentage of men are willing to sacrifice relationships, are more competitive, are willing to take risks, are willing to move etc. It's like say the lottery is sexist because men win more than women but really it's just men are more willing to take stupid risks.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 07:29 AM
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That's fine. At no point would or have I argued obligation. All I'm saying if that if you want to wait until a guy is highly successful before you view him as viable then you're getting up to the same level of delusion as the women who think they can get basketball players to commit by hanging around at their hotels. Pursuit of a collage degree is a guy trying to be successful not a successful guy. You're not being unreasonable by saying you want someone pursuing success, you're right to do that…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 07:22 AM
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I think this depends on what you mean by it. If a guy has personality defect then yeah you're right. If you mean the guy isn't successful yet but he's trying then you're wrong. One of the biggest issues I see with women when it comes to dating is you expect to just sit and the finish line and demand half the winnings. If you want to find a guy you need to go for the guy who's working hard to make it and team up and get there together.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 10:07 AM
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So fully automated luxury communism?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 11:42 AM
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It feels like what ever I say you're just going to say no one cares about it. Yes somethings have gone up but consumer electronics have gone right down. I don't really view, basic smart phones, vacuum cleaners, washing machines, fridges, microwaves etc at trinkets as you need them all.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 08:20 AM
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If AI pans out like people think it will then the labour market is going to be so flooded that no one will be making any money. Or we're just going to be so hyper productive that everything is going to be insanely cheap. We're already facing an issue where tech mean household management is worthless to men as it's so easy and a stable income is useless to women as they have their own. The only thing that makes these things worth while is when you have kids as that reinforces the gender dynamic a…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 08:01 AM
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Prices go down all the time. How much was a blu ray player 10 years ago? how much was a 60" TV? Also, you didn’t answer my question. Medical assistance in dying in Canada can be used because you're depressed. The suicide booth is already in use.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 07:51 AM
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It's not just a matter of "can a robot do your job" it's "Can a robot make your job so easy any one can do it thus crushing your wages" I always use the taxi metaphor for this. Taxis used to be quite highly paid as it was hard to learn areas like London or new York. Then sat nav came out and all that skill was meaningless then uber came out and connected you to people with sat navs. Now having a taxi is shit. https://www.cityandstateny.com/politics/2020/09/taxi-medallion-owners-are-still-drownin…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 07:47 AM
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oing to be taken by AI eventually. People stuck in their ways may not like it, but it is infinity times more cost effective than hiring a human and will be adopted ASAP. It's a big question of "What do you do when everything becomes so cheap it's almost free but no one has any money to buy anything despite it costing so little"
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 07:41 AM
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No I'm saying it's easier to live alone than with someone else. You don't think my life would be easier if I got to keep the house, only have my kids 4-5 times a week and my wife had to send me a bunch of cash each month?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 07:25 PM
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Right so she has her own money and no doubt what ever he's been ordered to give her on top of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 12:44 PM
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To be fair that's because the husband is still paying aka providing his labour while the wife is doing nothing for him. Remove his cash and let's see how the women feel
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 12:34 PM
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Sure but the corner stone of the red pill was always the difference between women's stated and observed preferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 11:45 AM
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The biggest difference with my wife and previous girlfriends is that my wife actually wanted to make our lives better and wanted me to be better even if that required work for her. Previous girlfriends, it was more like, I have thing that I bring to the table and they wanted access. It really made me realise that they never loved me they just loved that I improved their lives and I realised if that stopped they'd have been gone. My wife stuck with me though ups and downs. I think what love means…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 07:37 AM
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To be fair there's a good amount of cross over. Both are anti relationships and both focus on what's the best way to create a situation where you get all the non committed sex you would like. Obviously the redpill has a much bigger philosophy but in terms of actions they're not that different.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 07:28 AM
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I think this is a misunderstanding of TRP. The redpill preaches much more "enjoy the decline" over " make enough money to support a family of three kids" If you're redpill you don't want to get married because you're redpilled on marriage so why do you want to set that system up? The best thing to be if you're redpill is to be attractive enough to have short term relationships. This means maxxing out on being "hot" not being a provider. You're aiming to create tingles not deep meaning. What redp…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 07:26 AM
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Are you saying most 5'2 women would be just as happy dating a guy who's 5'3 as they would someone taller than 5'3? If so can you please provide any evidence because the apps that allow women to filter for height say the exact opposite.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 12:28 PM
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Well "taller than me" and "tall" are 2 very different standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 10:11 AM
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What percentage of men are tall vs what percentage of women want a tall man? If there's more women who want a tall guy than there are tall men then you better either be a very impressive woman or be willing to share.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 08:02 AM
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It was my now wife's birthday 2 weeks after our first date and I got her a twilight sparkle keyring (because she absolutely hated bronies) and a card. She would have thought it was really weird if I got her something big or sent her $300.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 07:58 AM
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Everything is understood though comparison.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/25 07:11 AM
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No. The people who have kids tend to be married and the kids that tend to do best come from married parents. this whole thing seems like a good way for feminists and leftists to just stop existing.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 07:18 AM
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I'm not sure exactly what you mean by entitlement but I agree it's not a good idea to have someone just stay home all day. It doesn't really even make sense outside of the small time of your life when you have very young children and during that time you can just take time off work as my wife did. I think tech has made "womens work" kind of obsolete. What am I paying a woman to stay home for while the dish washer, washing machine, roomba etc is doing all the work?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 10:30 AM
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I wanna watch a movie or a TV show without being bombarded by someone's sexuality Then don't watch what seems to be a specific genre that caters to people who do? It'd be like me going to a book store, walking to the erotic fiction section, buying a book with a half naked, jacked dude on the front then complaining it's full of sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 10:14 AM
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Isn't this talking about anime on anime websites? I had to look up half the terms in this post. I don't understand how you think these cartoons are being forced on you when I didn't even know they existed.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 09:52 AM
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Honestly it's because I trusted my wife more than I've trusted anyone. We'd been friends was 6 years before we dated and we knew each others flaws and issues. She stuck with me when I was at the lowest point of my life and she makes my life better every day. I don't really think about her "stealing half my stuff" as everything I have, I have because of her. Marriage is great if you find a woman who wants to build something with you. The problem is a huge amount of women just want to latch on to …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 08:29 AM
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And if the woman cheats you'll say he wasn't meeting her needs. I don't make excuses for people who cheat. Just divorce.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 05:12 PM
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Jesus I'm simply saying you should have higher standards for commitment before you let a guy fuck you. I've never used tinder I'm 40 and been with my wife since my late 20s. Can we agree on no sex before commitment?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 04:48 PM
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No men and women cheat at the same rate. Porn isn't cheating. I can't understand the rest of your rambling.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 04:45 PM
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If by high standards you mean demanding commitment I'm absolutely with you. You should do that. If you mean high standards as in trying to date guys way out of your league that's exactly why you keep getting ran though.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 04:39 PM
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If they mean nothing why would they do it given how much divorce screws over men. Also men and women cheat at the same rate.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 04:36 PM
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Women initiate almost all divorces - proof - the paperwork But it's men's fault they fail - proof...... Just trust me bro.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 03:35 PM
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No it's primarily an economic arrangement and the joining of resources and insurance on breaking up. The only reason why someone would say they don't love you enough is because not getting married is a sign you think the relationship is going to fail so it's a bad economic situation as divorce is extremely expensive.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 03:32 PM
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Because sex results in pregnancy.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 03:02 PM
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No marriage is still an economic agreement. You don't involve the law and government in matters of love.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 03:01 PM
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Why was shame used on women who had kids with no support?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 02:58 PM
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Why where they forced. what was the worry if the guy didn't marry his daughter?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 12:52 PM
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Marriage existed for exactly the reason I said. That's why shotgun marriages where a thing. The fact the system has stopped worked because of divorce rules being expanded doesn't change the fact it was a solution to the problem of children without a provider and it broadly still fills that role. Both women and men should protect themselves when it comes to children either from abandonment or paternity fraud.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 12:41 PM
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Marriage exists to protect women from men abandoning them. I have no problems with women requiring marriage and don't consider it an accusation that I was trying to knock you up and run off.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 12:32 PM
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And as I previously mentioned moving in with someone or buying an engagement ring would be examples of commitment as both require sacrifice. Would it not be safe to say a commitment is also meeting each other’s families. How so? How did me meeting my fuck buddies parents make me committed? I'm asking seriously here. the only way that kinda makes sense is if he's introducing you to his friends and family as something he's taking very seriously, but simply meeting them is meaningless, it'd be the …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 11:24 AM
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Men will do what they're allowed to get away with. If you want to fuck me for free that's a great deal. If you're a higher class of women and demand commitment then that's fine too. It's up to the people who I want to date to decide if I have value. If you think that men who aren't virgins have no value that's absolutely fine, good for you for having such high standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 11:19 AM
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Then just get rid of any and all legal contracts because everyone should just trust everyone. The reality is some people are snakes and will use the system you're suggesting to abuse people. There's no harm in a contract you plan on keeping to.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 11:01 AM
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The only way women can avoid being fucked around is to demand commitment. I don't think that means marriage but it need to be some kind of sacrifice that's more than he can afford to do if he's fucking girls around.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 10:59 AM
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average men will not sacrifice to get average women I think you're wrong. they'll demand 50/50 dates 50/50 is not a lack of commitment. My wife and I are 50/50 we put our money in a joint account and it's both of ours. That's commitment. and paternity tests Why would that cause you any kind of bother? BOTH genders will not go for it, neither women NOR MEN. Then women will keep ending up in situationships becoming increasingly depressed and anxious and men will continue to either whore around or …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 10:55 AM
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do men need to sacrifice something just to show they care? Yes and in your book meeting her parents isn't enough so the sacrifice need to be greater? Correct. this just enforce than women need to make their standards and demands even higher to a point the men need to feel like they're sacrifices somthing just for them to be considered. Upping standards for commitment yes. The big issue at the moment is women think they can get high value guys to commit by fucking them. This doesn't work, they ju…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 10:26 AM
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I've had that happen and I was absolutely cool with it. Keep fighting windmills though.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 10:20 AM
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An engagement ring or living together isn’t the ultimate sign of commitment. Correct, marriage is however is shows a willingness to sacrifice and deal with cost if you break up. That's commitment. I can rent a house and pay to break the lease but I'd still committed to the house by signing the lease as opposed to staying in an airbnb or hotel. All contracted can by voided but commitment is showing that if you break your word you'll endure cost.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 10:09 AM
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Cool and he dumped her within the year so how was he committed? what did he have to sacrifice to prove he's committed to her and only her? Meet her parents? I met fuck buddies parents and went out in public together? I've done that with fuck buddies.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 10:07 AM
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It's more that there's no commitment to saying "I won't sleep with other people" if tomorrow you can fuck someone else and there's 0 penalty for your action. dealing with having to get her off the lease or have her keep the engagement ring (which she should if you cheat on her) or best of al marriage where she can take half your shit. That's commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 10:04 AM
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No that's not commitment because you're not risking anything. Not polygamy is not commitment. If you stay in a hotel room and pay every day that's not commitment because you're not sleeping anywhere else. Commitment is signing a 12 month lease that you can't break without penalty or buying a house. This is why marriage is commitment. You can't leave without a huge penalty.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 10:02 AM
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Yes. This is casual dating, not commitment. Commitment is giving you something that he can't afford to give to others. An example would be an engagement ring or letting you live with him. It costs nothing to meet a girls parents.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 08:32 AM
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That was a relationship that lasted for a year. Chad fucking you for a year doesn't make you have value. This is why men talk about alpha widows. You think because a guy is willing to extract value from you then he's on your level. It's as deluded as thinking because a women allows you to provide things for her that means you're on her level when she's just extracting from you. A women's level is who she can marry. Everything else is bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 08:28 AM
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Skill at what? Being the guy who women want to date.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 08:24 AM
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If I didn't date women who fetishized very tall men I'd be a 40 year old virgin.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 08:21 AM
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Correct. And if you where to describe these women's personalities they wouldn't align with what the vast majority of men find attractive. Of the men who do find having an aggressive dominant women around they're prob kind of submissive and very unmasculine men. Which is fine but likely not what a high flying women want around.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 07:51 AM
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Attractive men don't get effective celebrity status for being attractive. No one is flying out a guy to hang out because he's hot. Women aren't buying hot guys things. Hot women live in another world to the rest of us where they're effectively outside socioeconomic barriers.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 07:35 AM
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Are you asking me if I like pets? I have a cat and a dog so I guess I do. If you're asking what I think pets say about a person then I think it depends. I don't like the furbabies thing as I think it's trying to fill a hole that should be filled with children and pets aren't kids. Other than that I think it shows your able to take care of something and put it before you which is a good trait in a person.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 07:27 AM
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Where’s your proof for the last point? https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34687041/ Here you go. And do you describe successful men the same way? 100% in fact I think they're likely even worse and are likely even more prone to high risk behaviours as that's more of a male trait. The difference is women flock to these guys because men and women find different things attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 07:24 AM
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I actually only find those women attractive. I've dated girly, very agreeable girls and I'm not into it. My ideal is a strong minded women who aligns with me well. That's not going to be some hyper career focused women as she's going to have specific goals for her that don't work well in a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 07:20 AM
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No as I put in my flair I'm married and live with my wife. We have a great marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 07:17 AM
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Unfortunately I was asked the same question by 3 people
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 04:59 PM
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10s are incredibly rare. I don't mean pretty I mean flawless. Same reason a lot of unattractive men have money.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 04:59 PM
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Oh it absolutely does the only difference is it turns women on while it turns men off.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 04:58 PM
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So explain all the women in their thirties who meet their eventual life partner If smoking causes lung cancer then explain how my uncle lived til 90 and he smoked 2 packs a day? body builders have very high BMIs These women aren't body builders and anyone who says this dumb shit is clearly retarded. Its 2025 Yes and I'm 40. Replace boss bitch with whatever word currently means a cunt with a position of authority. Is it fair then for women to extend this same sentiment to single fathers Do whatev…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 04:57 PM
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Correct. Neither are multimillionairs.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 04:50 PM
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Absolutely but short term dating only.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 04:50 PM
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There are no poor tens. A woman can be born in trailer park, be 80iq and fail at school but if she wins the genetic lotto she's worth millions. Saying they're at the same economic level is technically true but is a very shallow analysis
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 03:23 PM
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There are no poor tens. A woman can be born in trailer park, be 80iq and fail at school but if she wins the genetic lotto she's worth millions. Saying they're at the same economic level is technically true but is a very shallow analysis
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 03:22 PM
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There are no poor tens. A woman can be born in trailer park, be 80iq and fail at school but if she wins the genetic lotto she's worth millions. Saying they're at the same economic level is technically true but is a very shallow analysis.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 03:22 PM
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I'm going to judge people based on where they put their attention. If it's on money and lifestyle and brands I'm not hugely interested in a relationship with that person. Money and status just aren't what I'm looking for in a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 03:19 PM
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It's between overweight and obese. My point is that whatever word means fat will be used as an insult because being fat is bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 03:17 PM
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because looks and socioeconomics are the same thing at a certain point. There are no poor tens even if they're dumb as a box of rocks. Men will marry them. That's what the men would rather date a women working a McDonalds really means.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 01:30 PM
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Sorry I meant a guy who plays videogames in his free time. Like that's his hobby and social life in one. Not how he pays the bills. I don't care if it's out of date, I'm 40, I'll use whatever term fits. post wall = Women's desirability drops after 30. I agree the term is used to degrade but it's simply describing a reality. A woman with a BMI over 27 is “a heifer”. I've seem multiple fat women argue that the term obese is derogatory. The reality is it's just a euphuism treadmill because being fa…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 01:28 PM
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And pretty women get paid to be pretty. Doesn't mean they're smart or qualified or educated.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 01:21 PM
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That's fine but you have to accept that people who are career focused are going to broadly have a similar personality type and that's going to be different from someone who's family focused. It's like If i see a fat person I'm going to assume they eat badly and don't work out but maybe they do sumo. I don't really give a shit about exceptions to rules when it comes to who I want to date. If I had to interview everything because they might not be like that I'd have wasted so much time.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 01:20 PM
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As I described with my videogame analogy, it's a matter that men simply don't find "boss bitches" attractive just like women don't find guys who play world of warcraft attractive. Do you think it's degrading men by saying "I don't want to date a guy who spends all his time playing videogames"? I don't think I'm degrading women by saying I wouldn't want to date or marry some hyper career focused women. Do you view men having preferences as degrading to women?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 01:11 PM
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While they're not committing to women who work at McDonalds they are committing with women who are barely qualified to work at McDonalds they're just pretty enough to skate though life.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 01:08 PM
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You don't get to dictate what men do or don't find appealing. I don't think it proves the things you're saying at all. I could say Online video games develop skills like teamwork, communication, problem-solving, adaptability, and strategic thinking—transferable to relationship management as collaboration, effective dialogue, conflict resolution, flexibility, and planning. Does that make you wanna date a guy who spends all his time playing world of war craft? the reality is most successful people…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 12:58 PM
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You can go on googletrends and search and terms and see the spikes in public interest. Sure people spoke about AI but it wasn't everyone talking about it all the time. Men have talked about male contraception but until a technology that actually works comes about it's not going to be that interesting to people. I don't get what you want us to say to each other. We might as well be talking about simple cure for all cancer or flying cars. Yes we'd like it but what are we supposed to do or say?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 12:35 PM
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But she's not dating girls, she's dating guys. So the question becomes what's the number of women that are looking for this type of guy vs how many of this type of guy exist. If There's far fewer men of this type than women seeking them, then it becomes a very difficult market for women and a very easy market for the men.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 07:17 AM
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I'm not saying there's harm in chatting about it. The incentive already exists in the fact that a solution that's as effective as surgery with similar levels of complications would make the company incredibly rich. The reason people including a huge amount of feminists are discussing ai/vr/ar/sexbots is because there's been a sudden huge leap in the development. We're currently almost at a "Her" and "blade runner 2049" level of development. That was fantasy just a decade ago now it's 5 years awa…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 05:59 AM
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Yes we talk about it however it just ends up with the post below that says nothing works. Saying men don't talk about it is like saying men didn't talk about ED or balding before Viagra and hair transplants. It's just wasn't available and as soon as it was everyone rushed to the doctors. Who ever comes up with a good product that works is going to be very very rich but when your only option is to wait then you wait.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/25 01:08 PM
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I don't know what you mean by people don't talk about it? I had a vasectomy. Don't you think I'd rather have not gone though with that? I know lots of other men who have too. They'd rather have not had to go though surgery that leaves you forever sterile. The reality is there's no good options for men as it's more complex.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/25 08:51 AM
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3 options 1) The father pays for the child he didn't want. 2) Other men who aren't the father pay for the kid via taxes making them poor and unable to afford kids/their kids have to go without. 3) No one pays for the kid which mean women are more selective about who they have sex with/have more abortions/kids end up in extreme poverty. Pick your poison.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 09:58 AM
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I think the rock is a good one. I don't really know anything about the others. I think there's an issue that there's few men that other men want to emulate that aren't hated by liberals.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/25 12:33 PM
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Who seems nice then?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/25 12:10 PM
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So you can't name a single masculine man in a public position that you'd say men should model themselves after? Do you see how that might be a problem?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/25 11:13 AM
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What about real people rather than absolute fantasy?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/25 09:31 AM
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No the opposite. I always felt like something was off in previous relationships. Like I was avoiding the responsibility that should come with sex/relationships because I was really always looking for the door. In the back of my head and I was scared of losing the ability to leave. Being married I feel like I am being responsible and taking sex seriously and I'm not debasing myself or my wife. losing the feeling of guilt and imposter syndrome makes things better as I no longer feel uncomfortable …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 09:54 AM
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The problem is there is no "genuine feminism" it's a no true Scotsman fallacy. I'd advise you read their books but the argument is kinda simple a lot of highly influential feminists are wealthy women who don't like that women are treated as differently, in their careers because they're women and that can hinder their advancement. They then push this kind of blank slate argument . The problem as Perry and Harrington see it is this is a luxury belief that screws over the vulnerable women who are m…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/25 11:16 AM
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I read her book and I'd say she's a feminist. It's just she sees diferent braches of feminism as does Louise Perry. Louse Perry doesn't like what she calls "liberal feminism" and Mary doesn't like "The feminism of freedom" Both think that feminism should be about helping vulnerable women not getting 0.0001% of women are company boards.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 08:34 AM
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So I've had kids. My wife and I are at an age where if she did fall pregnant it's a much higher risk of issues both to her health and increased risk in genetic issues for the kid and we don't want to put that on our other children. Can you describe the issues you have with it? BTW 0 loss in sex drive and I've not noticed any reduction in semen volume (which would have honestly been a blessing)
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 09:06 AM
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I'm saying that laws that allow men to lose their property be that money or good are going to make men less inclined to sign up. The more money a guy makes the more incentive a women has to leave him.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 08:56 AM
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how do you know that. Maybe she just quit because her job sucked and the amount they were spending on childcare was more than she was making per hour. I simply don't understand the argument that because you marry someone that makes a lot of money that means that you would have magically been successful yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 08:53 AM
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Yes. Again we split things. she does drop off, I do pick up, we both do dinner and we alternate bath and bed.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/25 01:48 PM
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Sounds like a very good argument for women to refuse to be homemakers or be financially dependent on a spouse in any way. Fantastic! That's exactly what my wife and I are like. Our lives are much better together and would be a big drop for both our living standards if we split up but we could both absolutely manage on our own. The whole "trad wife" thing is retarded. Most housework is easy now with tech and the internet. All the bills are done online, shopping, banking, I press a button and a ro…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/25 12:45 PM
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which presupposes that you'd be successful if you did. Most people aren't successful and certainly not the kind of people who quit there jobs to stay home all day when you don't even have kids. I don't get to quit my job and demand they continue to pay me because "I could have made more money if I went to work for another company" If you choose to sit at home all day then you have the face the consequences of your choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/25 11:57 AM
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I wouldn't ever get married if I made enough money that alimony would be an issue. I think it's a matter men are wising up to that fact. Marriage isn't working because men don't see the benefits so choose not to engage. That's not good for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/25 11:25 AM
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I'm saying giving someone the legal ability to steal from you isn't a good idea even if they'll lose most of the time. There's no reason why you should continue to be funded by someone because of relationship breakdown. I can't quit my job and expect them to keep paying me because I'm used to a standard of living.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/25 11:23 AM
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If I said "having your husbands children is no guarantee he will never cheap on you" Would you agree that's true? Can that be sorted to "You can't expect to always get out what you put into a relationship" I don't really get why you're turning this into a gendered issue. Yes it works both ways but men are broadly expected more of in relationships than women are.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/25 09:39 AM
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Because the process is the punishment. If you allow people to sue for it then men will avoid it because they don't want a law suit even one they'll most likely win. This creates distrust and suspicion and things like common law marriage which is just co habitation then start being viewed with suspicion. It's like asking why is there a lack of sperm donors. Well because men don't trust they'll be kept anonymous and not have to end up paying. It's risk vs reward.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/25 09:34 AM
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ou're still trying to push the baseless conjecture that women who stop dating MUST be doing so only after their supposed "alpha fucks" and "dates with chad." I never said this. I'm saying there's a difference between having the option to do something and finding it's not really for you and being unable to do something. I'm saying the guy is a person in a wheel chair and the women is a person who took up running and found it wasn't really for her. There's a difference. I don't care if they dated …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 12:16 PM
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Wrong it's a 10% difference in how they vote https://www.statista.com/statistics/1096291/voter-turnout-presidential-elections-by-gender-historical/ Women vote at a higher rate than men. Women choosing men to represent them is their choice. They're free to pick a female candidate. The men aren't voting on their interests they are voted in based on the policy positions women support. It could be a robot, it doesn't matter. What matters in they're put in by women, for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 12:05 PM
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What gender vote in a higher percentage?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 11:47 AM
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That's quite the little emotional outburst. It's different like this Person A) I can't afford to buy a home, I hoped I would but I've ran the numbers and I can't. I was sad about this but I've learnt to live with it. Person B) I bought several homes but I found home ownership expensive and annoying so I'm just going to sell up and rent unless something really great comes on the market. Do you understand how these 2 things are different?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 11:46 AM
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Again this isn't moaning at women it's moaning at the system. If men had a legal right to kick the shit out of you and rape you when you're married it would be a bigger issue than now they're not. BTW I'm with you on being careful who you marry and it's very east to see that's why marriage is a dying institution.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 09:40 AM
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Right but there's a difference there. If a guy treats you badly you can just separate. If the woman you're married to does that she has the full power of the legal system to fuck you over for the rest of your life.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 08:22 AM
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Can you define that? Are we talking the bait and switch before and after marriage or just someone who demands princess treatment but never sleeps with you?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 11:25 AM
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That's not how it works. You'll regret every failed relationship in some way or another but you'll also learn a lot about what you should and shouldn't accept and what you're willing to compromise on.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 10:48 AM
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It just seems like a weird standard. I've befriended guys and introduced them to my other friends after like 2 weeks. I don't get why it's a big deal unless you're worried that your friends won't like them
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 10:32 AM
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Your ick is they want to meet your family and they're enthusiastic about dating you? You should really try and understand how guys see things. If a guy is dating a girl he's not really into he won't let her meet his friends and family and he won't be willing to meet theirs. What they're attempting to signal is that "I'm not just trying to bang you and run off, I'm trying to involve you and I'm hoping you want to involve me." When you say that's ick what guys hear is "she's not that into me" and …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 09:27 AM
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If they're guys with options and they don't want to wait a year to have sex then remember this is a free market and you're not offering what the next girl most likely is. Alternatively you can date guys who don't have options then you can slow things right down but there's normally a reason guys don't have options. Or you can date a more hardcore Christian but that'd be weird if you're not one. If guys keep giving you the "ick" then maybe you're being unreasonable or maybe you're going after the…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 09:05 AM
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I think the logic here is that people changing their minds doesn't mean they used you. If 2 people date for 2 months and break up then who ever was broken up with could say "They used me for sex/money and then left. They must have been lying the entire time" but it could just be after a couple of month they stopped liking the person. There's an assumption among more feminist women and RP men that male and female relationships are inherently exploitative in different directions so they look at it…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/25 08:35 AM
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I'm totally with you that you should get to know people before sleeping with them. I think it means men and women get held to a higher standard and that's a good thing. What I'm really arguing against here is the game some women (see FDS) of making a guy wait as a means of having him prove himself while not doing anything to prove yourself to the man. Personally I wouldn't want to date and certainly not marry someone like that so I'd pick the women who'd not playing stupid games.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/25 08:26 AM
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What about after months (others have suggested men should be okay waiting months)? would that be ok or would you rather date an identical guy who doesn't treat you like a gold digger because he has hang ups?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 02:27 PM
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That's really going to depend on the woman. If she's like top 1% of women then you're right. If she's not then you're wrong. No guy with options is waiting months for some mediocre women who's been ran though.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 01:41 PM
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I didn't say he wasn't. I said if there was an identical guy who also wanted to date you and he didn't have these hang ups which would you rather date.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 11:51 AM
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Why don't you answer my question? If a guy is stingy as fuck because he has hang ups he can equally say "well I just want to get to know you" you're not an idiot you understand I'm talking about a hypothetical situation because it makes it easier to say identical. It's not a matter of no sex at all it's a matter 1 person is playing games because they have baggage and one person isn't because they don't. I'm married. I've avoided one night stands that I had plenty of opportunity for while working…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 11:14 AM
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and by not a good guy you mean not willing to put up with a worse deal? If you're dating 2 identical guys and one is really hung up on not spending money on you because "I don't want to be used and I've been burnt before and if you expect me to pay for anything you're clearly not a good person" and the other guy was just normal. Would you be picking the guy with the weird baggage and hang ups?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 10:36 AM
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What if he's not a fuck boy he's a genuine guy who wants to get married and have kids. All things being equal why does he want to date the woman playing games with him about sex over the women who isn't playing games with him regarding sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 09:15 AM
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It's only psychopath women who feel like this. Most women are nice and want to be supportive of people who they love. You shouldn't trauma dump on them but you should be open enough they feel you trust them to support you.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 05:23 AM
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I don't trauma dump on my wife. If anything I get accused of not being open enough. Not every guy is built for a relationship. So you're going for guys who want a fuck buddy/one night stand?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/24 05:17 AM
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Often (though Im not comfortable saying the majority of) single men live in filth, eat terribly, blow their money and do nothing to maintain human to human social networks. So do women. Most women are obese and relate to the new Yorker cover https://x.com/Amy_Siskind/status/1333964104848068608?s=19 Guys I know are physically fit, clean and love meal prepping. You seem to be talking about weird incels rather than actual men who's role models are Jordan "clean your room" peterson and Joe "just wor…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 07:25 PM
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If they are so easy to do yourself why do men consistently fail to do them? They don't. Men increasingly live alone and are absolutely self sufficient and are increasingly moving away from relationships in younger generations. Why is it always women doing all of these things? Women care more about how things are done. For example I don't give a shit about paying a bit more for insurance if it saves me faffing around. My wife however wants to spend more time on it. So I leave her to it. organizin…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 06:56 PM
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My questions is if you're typical tasks have been taken over by tech (they have) and now you're refusing to do the emotional relationship work and sex is being replaced by porn/only fans/ai/vr/ar what exactly is the point of you?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 06:29 PM
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I'm not saying women don't take on these roles while in relationships. I'm saying they're no longer valuable roles as they're so easy to do yourself. To paraphrase you, there's no argument that a man can make in terms of protection and provision to a woman in a safe neighbourhood with a good job who owns a gun. I pretty much always had a girlfriend but lived alone throughout my 20s (now 40) never once in that time did I think a woman would make household management easier (and I was right). My p…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 06:23 PM
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I'm not sure why you've responded to this guy rather than me when I was the person who you directed the question at. Also to be clear the question wasn't about children which are optional it's about what tech has replaced women in household roles not childcare roles.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 05:45 PM
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Cleaning. Washing machine and dryers, roombas, dishwashers, vaccume cleaners. Clothing. It's now cheaper to replace than repair so that whole skill set is not needed. Online shopping means it's all a breeze and fashion advise is done by the Internet. Grocery Shopping/cooking. Online grocery shopping means everything is delivered to your door whenever you want and now guys are more into fitness and the Internet is great for recipes batch cooking or using services like gusto or hello fresh makes i…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 04:59 PM
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So we agree that saying just be nice is massively over simplistic and thus bad advise. Good advice is something actionable and precise. "just be nice" is neither.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 01:20 PM
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"Just go to therapy" is once again a modern solution to not relying on each other which IMO is why relationships are deemed not worth it any more. Womens household roles have basically been taken over by tech and so your new crusade is to say that you're not only not going to do anything in terms of the physical labour you're also not going to be doing any emotional labour? It's hitting a point where there really is no point in a relationship for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 10:47 AM
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I mean the first 2 are just TRP and the last one doesn't work. being likeable often means being agreeable and that's normally the problem they're trying to over come to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 10:33 AM
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Give us your top 5 bits of good advise women give to men on here.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 09:01 AM
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Fair enough but I think you have much greater protections in marriage than employment. You take a risk either way. When you look at the stats most women drop there hours significantly after having children as you realise that you're not the most important person in your life.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 05:23 AM
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Don't like 80% of Americans live pay check to pay check and doubtless that stat is even higher for men under 35?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/24 08:59 AM
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Are you going to post your evidence of this?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/24 08:53 AM
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We have different classifications. If you lose your home and the government puts you in a hotel/bed and breakfast you're listed as homeless. That's not the same as street homeless.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/24 08:47 AM
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I'm not personally attacking you we're discussing women as a whole. As I said I absolutely agree we don't have a good compensation model for the work women typically do/did. I huge amount has been taken over by government which I guess is a way to pay women for the societal work they would previously do for free. I also broadly don't blame women for not doing well in these metrics. I actually broadly blame men for falling behind so far that women are forced to take up the slack driving them out …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/24 05:28 AM
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You seem to think I think doing office work is more important than social or family work. I don't. I think a huge problem we have in society is an inability to properly compensate women for the work they do.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/24 08:04 PM
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What are they doing well with vs doing badly with in your opinion? To me it seems like they're doing much better by traditional male metrics - education, career. Financially but much worse in typical female metrics - social, community, family, friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/24 04:41 PM
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Because you can't help but be reliant on each other and it changes your perspective from being self focused to focused on someone else and you have to work with another person to do it right.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/24 04:32 PM
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I'd be very happy to see porn banned.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/24 02:02 PM
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I think that changes massively when you have a family and your relationship suddenly reverts back to needing each other. The washing machine is a good metaphor for women being freed from domestic duties meaning they're able to have jobs and freedom but the washing machine also freed men from needing women. Children can't be solved with the invention of the roomba or online grocery shopping.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/24 01:58 PM
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I'd bet your opinion changes if you decide to have children.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/24 01:50 PM
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Do you think women have adapted well?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/24 01:48 PM
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People being free to make stupid decisions doesn't make their decisions less stupid. A person can have no qualifications or experience and say they want a job that pays 10 million a year or they won't work. It's up to them but it's clearly a stupid standard.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/24 01:14 PM
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Well I think it's definitely a good thing if you rely on your partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/24 12:05 PM
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I don't think people should be dependent on others to survive but I think it's a good thing if people depend on each other. I don't think men are complaining about having to be likeable. I think women expect the same level of financial security that their fathers gave their mothers but we don't live in that world anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/24 12:04 PM
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Neither is being 2 highly independent people as you end up with the paradox of choice. Being dependent on each other isn't a bad thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/24 11:59 AM
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I didn't say coercion. I'm saying it's a symbiotic relationship where you each need each other and the less you do the more you will end up with the paradox of choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/24 11:25 AM
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I think this is where we disagree. If you're free to swap and choose at will then you end up with the paradox of choice. You spend your time wondering if the grass is greener on the other side rather than focusing on how to improve your relationship. Comparison is the thief of joy.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/24 11:18 AM
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I more mean when people needed each other it created a deeper connection like having children does as it being you back to that state. If you don't have that then you're relying on just what makes you happy and you're going to have ups and downs in life. The paradox of choice is an illustration of this as the more options people have the less happy they are with what they've picked.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/24 10:44 AM
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I'm not sure. I think needing each other is a good thing in a relationship. My wife and I rely on each other mostly because we have kids. I'm not really in agreement with the liberal idea that more free = more good. I think responsibly is what gives your life and your relationships greater value. Is it better than than being forced to marry someone you don't like? Yes. Is is better than being 2 hyper atomised people who treat each other as a convenience to be discarded at the hint of inconvenien…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/24 09:49 AM
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Do you ever wonder if this works the other way. Men required women to run the house which allowed men to work which allowed them to provide for their wife. I'm married but I spent multiple years living on my own and it was super easy. Something I don't think women understand is that while modern tech and the internet have freed them from most house work it's also freed men for being reliant on women.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/24 09:26 AM
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Sure but that's not what I was arguing. I'm saying you have to be interesting for people to find you interesting. The reason women say "guys are only interested in sex" is because they are the women who have nothing to offer other than sex, unless you count a shitty attitude as something to offer.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/24 09:28 AM
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I married someone who I do find interesting. If I didn't I wouldn't have married her.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 05:20 PM
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I'm in full agreement. Men who think they can buy love are retarded
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 05:18 PM
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And lots of guys don’t seem to like or have interest in women, aside from sex and whatever they think women can do for them This is just how men feel about everyone. If you have nothing to offer then we don't really want to be friends. Men don't want incompetent boring friends. The only reason men are "Only interested in sex" is because that's the only thing you're offering.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 09:46 AM
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Isn't the data on this showing that 95% of women would like to get married and have kids (in the right circumstances) but about 40% of women are going to never get married or have kids? To me that sounds like we're about a decade away from disaster.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 09:43 AM
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Feminists deserve the benefit of doubt. No they don't. Any group that has this oppressed/oppressor view rather than right and wrong should be dismissed as evil.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 09:38 AM
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This is my first time being told how to parent by non parents. It's pretty shocking how little they know yet how confident they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 09:10 AM
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In reality sure. But in this freaky friday world then I'm going to be rich.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 09:08 AM
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Hard disagree.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 08:19 PM
5

What's your problem with the 90s spiderman cartoon?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 05:37 PM
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He is the one who asks to watch it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 05:03 PM
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He never left he's just 18 months now.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 05:02 PM
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I have both right now. 18 month old requires more supervision but the 3 year old requires a lot of stimulation. You can do a lot more with a 3 year old so that makes it easier but the 18 month old is super clingy.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 02:42 PM
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No my wife's away a lot. It's not easy vs not having kids but my life is much easier than it was a year ago when I had a new born and an 18 month old. That was pretty fucking hard. I’m not talking about strict, I’m talking about teaching your children to live independently. I'm with you. I view my job as a parent to make my kids able to deal with the world around them not deal with their problems for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 02:39 PM
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Correct. Still way easier than a new born. Weaning Never really an issue but maybe my kids are just greedy. potty-training My eldest got it in about 2 weeks, It was easier than house training the dog. sleeping through the night could take years This is still an issue but you get used to it and they're both getting better by the day. It's not a big problem having a 3 year old come into your bed once a week.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 02:37 PM
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Yep. If it's not fun a 3 year old will switch off in about 2 seconds. This is a bunch of people with 0 kids trying to tell a parent how kids work. Also I don't like other peoples kids. I thought that might change when I became a parent but it hasn't. Your own kids are great though. You have these little people who you love more than you've loved anything and they want nothing more than to hang out with you and learn from you. It's probably the most meaningful relationship you'll ever have and as…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 02:31 PM
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No i said by 18 months they can understand basic commands "sit down" "drop that please" "lets go for a bath" "don't hit the cat"
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 02:24 PM
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A 3 month old a way easier than a new born. A 6 month old is way easier than a 3 month old. a 12 month old is easier than a 6 month old and so on. There is no "default parent" in our house. I'm strict at least my todays standards and (so far) my children are well behaved (at least compared to others the same age)
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 02:22 PM
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Sounds like that 3 year old sucked. Mine is fun to hang out with because I believe it's key to make your kid the kind of kid other kids want to play with.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 02:20 PM
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Right that's what we're doing, teaching them HOW to read. That means very very simple phenetics books that you read with them. As I said my eldest is 3 not 6. There's no time jumps in real life, it's a very long process.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 02:18 PM
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Come back to me when you have kids because you're clearly absolutely clueless about what having very young children is like. You're not going to be teaching them wood working. You're going to be teaching them letters, numbers and how not to shit themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 02:13 PM
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Well my eldest is 3 and he's a joy to be around and a lot more chill than he was at 2 months. If you're arguing it gets even easier you're making my point for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 02:09 PM
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I don't know if you follow the news but kids like cartoons. I didn't tell him to get hot wheels, his cousin has them and now he's obsessed and it's fun letting him design and build tracks that work. I never said chicken nuggets I said we make home made pizza together as does every parent. It's a fun thing to do that teaches your kid about food. Yes me and my wife do that too, we're all about early leaning and reading with our children. That doesn't mean there's no time for fun.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 02:06 PM
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Because my oldest is 3 so I don't have him doing yard work, wood working or knitting that's like 6+ shit. We're doing basic fun stuff, simple life skills, early education stuff etc. Yes that involves putting together and using hot wheels tracks across the living room. If he's going to watch TV I want him to watch the stuff from the 90s because most kids TV today sucks.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 02:02 PM
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I know. I have kids. You know you're allowed to play with them right? Some people actually encourage it. I like reading kids books, going for walks in the local woods with the kids and the dog, drawing, leaning shapes, numbers, letters, Making pizza together, showing them how to use the stuff at the park, feeding the ducks, going swimming, going to the zoo, going to kids theme parks, going to lego land. You really think that's a worse time than sitting in the office?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 01:54 PM
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Babies don't stay babies for long. After 3 months they chill out a lot. By 12 months they're fine. By 18 months they're walking about and you can give them basic commands and they can kind of tell you what they want. I have 2 young kids and I look forwards to leaving work and looking after them. I wish I never had to go to work so I could be with them more and they get more fun the older they get. You really think I'd rather be in the office than building hotwheels tracks and watching the 90s sp…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 01:47 PM
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Sounds great. I'd love to marry a rich women who took care of me and I just had to chill for a few years than I can take her to the cleaners in divorce court.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 01:34 PM
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Yeah I get it. The grapes you can't reach are sour. Have you seen incel guys who are all like "That girl didn't want to date me, she's an ugly slut anyway" that's exactly how you sound. The level cope is incredible.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/24 07:50 AM
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You're argument is the exact same argument as the fox. You don't have access to something so you are saying that you don't want it and it must actually be bad. It's hilarious that you're argument boils down sour grapes. You're never going to accept that it's your loss because that means a huge hit to your status. You keep believing the grapes are sour.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/24 07:37 AM
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A Fox one day spied a beautiful bunch of ripe grapes hanging from a vine trained along the branches of a tree. The grapes seemed ready to burst with juice, and the Fox's mouth watered as he gazed longingly at them. The bunch hung from a high branch, and the Fox had to jump for it. The first time he jumped he missed it by a long way. So he walked off a short distance and took a running leap at it, only to fall short once more. Again and again he tried, but in vain. Now he sat down and looked at t…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/24 07:27 AM
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You know it's a fictional story and the writer regrets not getting married and having kids. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-7295837/Sex-City-writer-admits-regrets-choosing-career-having-children.html
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/24 07:22 AM
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But then, do they really want to? I'm not sure. Something I realised in my 20s is that if hedonism is your goal, then when the fun stops it's not pretty. I do wonder how long women can play "sex in the city" before it becomes very sad.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 04:31 PM
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Right so commiting to women who whore around is high risk and low reward. High risk meaning she's unlikely to have really changed and low reward because there's no benifit to commiting to a maybe ex slut over someone with a more average sexual history.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 03:14 PM
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Why are some traits extreams? I don't understand the difference between saying people who work out in their 20s will be more likely to still work out at 45 than someone who never worked out in there 20s. And saying that someone who fucks a bunch of people in their 20s is more likey to be doing the same in their 40s than someone who had a more typical sex life in their 20s.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 03:07 PM
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I'm sure the in major cities the average is higher as major cities attract people who want to have large amounts of causal sex. >the revenge fantasy is that no man will ever commit to a slut And as we've broadly agreed the people who will are the 20% of hypersexual men. There's an issue with that of course that men who are hypersexual have a huge tendencies to have dark triad traits (there's science on this) so hypersexual women are effectively limeting themselves to a group of guys who have ver…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 02:46 PM
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Sure an N count of 7 doesn't put you in the league of the 20% of hypersexual people and that's who people who are not hypersexual are trying to avoid. Not out of hate or jealousy because it's just gross to us. The girls who sleep around tend to end up in a LTR or marriage with a man who has also done his fair share of sleeping around. So you agree with me that if you're part of the 20% of hypersexual women you're most likely reducing you're dating pool by 80%
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 02:14 PM
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As I've said I don't care unless it comes to commitment. I've dated high n count women. I don't understand what revenge you think I'm getting by not marrying an ex slut rather than my wife? I live in England. It's basically one big liberal city apart from the small amount of rural areas. It's the most densely populated large country in Europe. The median body count is 4. It's not normal to whore it up. It's only 20% of each sex that does it and mostly with each other. It's perfectly reasonable a…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 02:09 PM
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It's not a revenge fantasy to say unattractive behaviours exist. The men that don't care are men who are anti kids and marriage. I don't care how many guys a woman has slept with unless I start thinking about commitment. This is true of most men. You're correct on your last point. The issue is that means if you're part of the 20% of women who slut it up you're reducing your potential mating pool by 80%.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 01:53 PM
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If, hypothetically, you met a man/woman who was perfect for you in all ways, but their N-count was a few higher than what you would might normally go for, I think it’s safe to say most people would still be fine with this. The problems with your hypothetical is it's contradictory. You can't be both a person who is only into sex inside committed relationships and a slut. The vast majority of women despite what trp and incels push are not into sleeping around. The average number of sexual partners…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 12:51 PM
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Or women who hold men to high standards have harder time dating than women who have no standards. It's harder dating when you expect a committed relationship rather than just letting random dudes pump and dump you is obvious. It's harder to get a good job than a shit job. People who will take anything they're offered are going to have an easier time than people who are highly selective.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 09:28 AM
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We're discussing this topic "does prior behaviour predict future behaviour" I've given you evidence it does. Do you have evidence it doesn't?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 07:32 AM
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Either you belive prior behaviour predicts future behaviour or you don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 07:11 AM
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If you crash your car every year does you're insurance premium go up or stay the same? Money talks and bullshit walks and when it comes to money everyone suddenly understands that prior behaviour predicts future behaviour.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 07:09 AM
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I'm curious about what you mean by this as its the same deeply flawed argument that the red pill makes. It's only around 20% of men and women who are highly promiscuous and they're mostly just fucking each other. If guys were as interested as you say in having sex with as many women as possible they would be trying to do it. Most men don't even talk to women, that's the revealed preference.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 06:44 AM
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If a 5 year old can pass the marshmallow test but your dick can't I think you have some problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 06:40 AM
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Correct. I'm glad you're getting it. Once a rapist always a rapist is something I hope we can all agree on.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 06:34 AM
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You let a sex offender watch your kids then because "they've changed" Best predictor of future behaviour is prior behaviour.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/24 01:21 PM
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It's around the median I believe.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/24 01:20 PM
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In this thread. Women womanplaining what men do and don't find attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/24 01:19 PM
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You'd think they'd get it after it fails every time in the worst way possible. It's like how you see idiots from high school trying to pyramid sell on facebook. We figured out that scam in the 1990s yet people are still falling for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/24 08:31 AM
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Depends on the feminist. You can say socialism is really about fair pay but I hope we're both smart enough to understand it's a con to give all your rights over to an all powerful government that sucks.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 07:20 PM
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If socialism is about over throwing the bourgeois and putting the working classes in power and feminism is about over throwing men and putting women in charge, pay tell what the tankies think should happen to the bourgeois then think about what you're supporting in feminism.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 07:14 PM
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Cool. You'll love how we live.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 07:10 PM
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Lady I live elsewhere. Men are pissed off across the whole of the developed world. My point is that if men and women effectively break up it's going to be much worse for women than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 04:44 PM
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Absolutely just remember how many government benifits, how divorce is set up, the government funded ngos, the tax breaks, the federal funding, scholarships, equal pay rules, hiring rules, maternity pay, alimony etc etc that men will vote against. Women don't seem to get the system is set up to support you and men didn't mind because you were kind to us. The more hostile you become the more society will treat you like it treats men.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 03:26 PM
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It doesn't have to be a tiny town. Boyfriends are not committed they're just a guy you're fucking. Just to be clear I'm happy women like you exist guys need a release when they don't want to commit. Thank you for your service.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 09:08 AM
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Men aren't very selective about who they have casual sex with. To a lot of men it's like a women accepting a drink off a guy. It doesn't mean she likes the guy it just means she's willing to entertain him for a minute. When it comes to committed relationships men are very selective. Guy's are not going to ask "what's your N count" they'll ask you vague questions that give them a rough answer. If you avoid answering they'll assume high and that will effect if they want to commit or not. Obviously…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 08:48 AM
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It's a lot closer to what women describe as "The ick" You don't get to decide what does and does not give you the ick. I had a lot of opportunities to sleep around and chose not to because I think it's gross and I'd rather only sleep with women I know. My wife is the same way. You can do whatever you like but men have no obligation to accept it. You can lie by omission but that's not a good thing to do in a relationship and the truth almost always comes out.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 08:36 AM
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Because it's like men saying "If you vote Harris I'm no longer paying for dates" It's retarded.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 08:23 AM
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Your morals are vote for the person who benefits me not the person who benefits you. If you go around telling people to vote against their own best interests while at the same time telling men they're terrible and you hate them. They are going to laugh at you and vote against you out of spite.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 08:22 AM
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I used to read MGTOW out of curiosity. It's 90% divorced guys who feel slighted about how the relationship ended. It's not that they're sent on there own way at all. They mostly have status and money and preselection would suggest if they've been picked once they could be picked again.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 08:20 AM
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Well I disagree. It's about equal division not about doing the same. If I'm better at something than my wife than I do it. If she's better at something she does it. If we both kinda suck then we split it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/24 11:03 AM
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As soon as I saw 4B I thought this is the body positivity movement but for politics "Yeah Becky you should have another burger you're beautiful no matter what you weigh" is exactly the same as "Yeah Becky you should totally shave your head and go on a sex strike"
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/24 01:07 PM
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Women aren't not dating average guys because of a strike. It's because womens expectations are understandable but unreasonable. This isn't going to change anything other than maybe a few women stop having casual sex with the small percentage of guys who get all the casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/24 08:16 AM
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No I said it depends on circumstance. There's no point in working 60 hours a week for 55k when you already have 200k coming in. Let's put it another way. If I earn $500 a hour it's a good idea for me to hire a cleaner for $20 an hour for 7 hours a week and do 7 hours of extra work than spend 7 hours cleaning. 500 x 7 = $3500 - 20 x 7 = $140 $3500 - $140 = $3360 extra cash. So yes the higher earner is better off working more and doing less house work and the lower earner is better dropping hours …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 02:33 PM
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I am married and we slit things 50/50. If I was making crazy money I wouldn't do housework, I'd either tell my wife to stay home or I'd hire people. hours worked is also nonsense. If my wife worked on a building site and I worked in an office I wouldn't expect her to be as able to manage the house as me.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 02:21 PM
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Well i completely disagree. Women hate men and 5 mins on here shows it including you who acts like all men are rapists.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 02:16 PM
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Young people swung for Trump. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/kamala-badly-fumbles-gen-z-vote-which-broke-bigly-for-trump/ar-AA1tD9Ul?ocid=BingNewsSerp still a minority but a much greater minority than Biden.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 12:49 PM
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So men should be more conservative. If that's the case do women need to do the same?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 12:46 PM
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How should they go about that? I'm pretty pro male but men are doing a terrible job of being the kind of men women want to marry.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 12:27 PM
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Never said white dudes. I mean the native population that means black people who have lived there for as long as white people. If you increase the amount of cheap labour it drives down the price of the labour. Here in the UK we saw hospitally wages shoot up right after because they had to hire british workers who demand a fair wage or they go work elsewhere. There's no "jobs americans are too lazy to do" there's simply jobs that pay dog shit. The correct price for a product is what people are wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 12:26 PM
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Fair enough. To me it sounds like he's saying people voted for a monser that going to doing nothing to help them because they hate the other side. The issue is that Trump is offering them things to improve their lives. Lower taxes, lower migration, ending DEI, being anti war, being pro manufacturing, being pro business, being pro energy production, putting citizens first, securing elections etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 12:22 PM
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Do you think there is a solution for what's predicted to be 40% on women by 2030?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 12:16 PM
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I'm sorry to hear that. It's increasingly common that women are single and childless by circumstance (not finding the right partner in time). What advise would you give to your younger self knowing what you know now?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 11:33 AM
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He'll put in another anti DEI rule so any company that engages in DEI can no longer have government contracts. He'll lower immigration which means manual labour jobs will be easier to get and pay more. He'll enforce free speech rules in unis and states under threat of pulling federal funding. This means men's opinions (typically right wing) will be protected. Culturally this election was between woke and anti woke and anti woke won by a large margin. This shows a rejection of this kind of oppres…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 11:23 AM
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If it doesn't matter that the people you hate the most are now in charge of that which you care most about then fair enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 09:53 AM
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Same with most men. You can't threaten to take away something when you never gave it in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 09:43 AM
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That'll result in a rightward lurch as we just saw. Trump did better with women than he did last time. To put it simply. Either you treat men better or the people you hate the most are going to continue to rule over what you value the most.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 09:19 AM
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And what will happen is men will continue to vote in their own interests and conservative women will vote in the interests of their families which means supporting men.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 08:54 AM
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If you don't like that date guys who make less than you and go 50/50 or you can pay the bills in exchange for him doing more washing up.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 08:48 AM
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Weird way to say men want to pay less taxes to people who hate them (women) and people who come into the country illegally and take taxes and under cut wages and over load public services.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 08:04 AM
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Oh no are you only going to have sex with men who would make good fathers rather than hot idiots. Stop threatening men with a good time.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 08:03 AM
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The majority on young men have given up even approaching women. They no longer care. This sex strike thing is nonsense. Conservative guys will date conservative women and left wing women will continue to whore around with hot guys and say it's "empowering". Male feminists will continue to be ignored and sexless.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 08:02 AM
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The only men who get treated like this by society are men who DESERVE it. So all homeless men are bad guys? This is some weird just world fallacy that could be applied to women too. If bad things only happen to bad people then all women who have bad things happen to them must be bad women who deserve it. I can't say that about most of the men I have encountered. Can you say it about most american women you've encountered? You seem to be saying because seriba has a social contract that means amer…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 07:55 AM
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Why should men who you'd step over in the street if you saw them dying as people do every day. Why should they risk their physically safety for you when there's no way you'd fight a man for them? Women have made it very very clear that the owe men nothing or that men owe them some kind of a debt. What do you actually do to "take care of men" and I don't mean the men in your life that buy you things, I mean men who you don't know.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/24 08:59 AM
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So if men don't carry out there obligations towards women they should be expelled. What obligations do women have to men and what should their punishment me for not doing them?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/24 08:33 AM
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But aren't women allowed to have standards? You don't get to pick who you are or aren't attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/24 11:15 AM
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It's different if you want to sleep around or you have slept around yourself, but you want a "pure" partner. Why? If you're a broke women is it not okay to want a high earning man? If you're a short skinny woman is it okay to want a tall jacked man? If you're a dim woman is it okay to want a smart man? If you're for women's lib is it okay to want a guy who is traditionally masculine roles in the relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/24 09:27 AM
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This topic begs the question. "If it's okay that we avoid chasing you because we don't like the 1 sided gender roles is it also ok that we stop helping you because of 1 sided gender rolls?"
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/24 08:40 AM
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How do you feel about men who have decided to no longer help women in danger in liberal cities because broadly women vote for the soft on crime, soft of homelessness, soft on illegal immigration policy's?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/24 08:24 AM
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Right so if I say I don't want to commit to girls who are into casual sex that's okay. I don't value women having sexual experience because I want long term relationships not one night stands.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/24 05:22 AM
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Do you understand a lot of people don't want to sleep with loads of people? I worked in night clubs and had loads of chances to sleep with women and I didn't. I'd rather have relationships be it short term or long term. If you wanna sleep with strangers that's fine but you you have to accept most people aren't into that and think it's gross.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/24 02:29 PM
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Why don't you?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 05:15 PM
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I was the poor kid. If you don't like life then quit. The fact your posting this rather than hanging from a tree means I'm right.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 04:02 PM
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If you don't want to be alive you're free to leave. Hell some nations they'll do it for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 04:00 PM
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So when a woman does it then " it takes a lot of love to give up your children to a more stable environment." but when a man does it he's a deadbeat?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 01:43 PM
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No I speak for myself. If you ask other people who came from poor/abusive backgrounds I'd bet the vast majority are happy to be alive.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 01:41 PM
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Of course. It's better the child is with their loving father with money from the mother than with a mother who hates them.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 12:09 PM
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Children from single father back grounds do better than children from single mother back grounds. That doesn't mean it's a good idea for either to leave their kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 11:35 AM
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It's not just dating it's everything. Advise to men is all "You suck, this is how to not suck" advise to women is "You're amazing here's how to get people to recognise that" If you go though say TRP vs FDS you see this clear as day. FDS is all about being more selective and making guys jump though hoops to prove themselves to you and TRP is all about building worth/status.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 07:31 AM
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If I cared about her then I'd likely never talk to her again. If I didn't really care about her then I'd treat it as a FWB situation and start looking for someone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 07:21 AM
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You can drop your baby off at a fire station and as someone that had an abusive mother I can tell you I'm happy that I'm alive and I love my life. I think it's weird that people on the left seem to think it's better to be dead than being "poor" in the best time to be alive in history. I don't know how much you have to hate people to think they'd be better off dead.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 07:14 AM
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Can you expand on this? I get that if you're some low IQ dummy who's dog dick ugly then you're just fucked no matter what. But most guys are around average and you can jump up a few points by not being a fat fuck and building up some money/status/social circles. You'll never be "Chad" but you can be more appealing than most guys today.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 11:03 AM
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Yeah some guys are crazy. What I mostly find interesting about that is they're willing to waste their time sending weird DMs but unwilling to take actions that might make them more attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/24 09:27 AM
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And so are women that's why guys are getting okay to live without either.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/24 09:25 AM
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I said reduce the risk and feel feel to enlighten me. Oh and please don't "It's not my job to educate you" I Just translate it to "I don't have an argument"
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/24 09:23 AM
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The problem with this is that a lot of guys at the top don't value women and guys at the bottom have given up and aren't interested in dating. I can say "cars are more expensive than they've ever been" but the reality is that fewer and fewer cars are selling and fewer and fewer young people are getting driving licences. Girlfriends/wives/kids are like owning a home; it's gone from the norm to becoming an unreachable luxury that people are just giving up on.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/24 07:33 AM
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We don't take care of our elderly. We either give them cash that we can't afford so they can live alone or we dump them in care facilities. What's healthy is that old people live with their kids and help to bring up the grand kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/24 07:41 AM
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If not talking to me and looking at me like I just did a shit on the floor whenever I tried to talk to them was subtlety showing an interest in me then you're right.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 05:22 AM
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It's not great but you're not cooked. Feel free to dm me if you want to have a chat about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 05:18 AM
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When bringing a random guy back? Very high rates of Violence/rape, STIs, Pregnancy with a guy who isn't willing to be a dad, Low chance he cares about you enjoying yourself. Being married doesn't drop these risks to 0 but it's vastly better than unvetted men who haven't publicly announced their commitment to you and can lose half their stuff if they mistreat/cheat on you.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 05:12 AM
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The people who have the most sex today are married couples who are religious. I'd say that's because they believe in having a duty to keep each other happy. As I said men will sacrifice for their wives but there's an attitude now that women shouldn't do the same for their husbands. You see this regularly if you ask women what men are expected to do (pay for shit, protection, attention etc etc) but you ask women what they are duty bound to do for their partners and they give a blank expression.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 01:41 PM
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What risks does having sex with your husband have? My point isn't that random women are the street have a duty to random men it's that husband and wife have a duty to each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 01:38 PM
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I think feminists have done a great job of reframing the idea of "duty sex" from something akin to men being happy to work hard to provide as their duty to their wife and kids to something horrible. We've moved from "I want to have sex with my husband because I want him to be happy because that makes me happy" to "If I'm not 100% into it then I will not have sex" which is like a guy saying "I don't really feel like working today so my family can just not eat" This has resulted in men using porn …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 08:29 AM
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As a kinda late bloomer but not close to 25, I'd say that your first relationship is probably going to be a bit of mess. It's very much a learn on the job type deal and accept that your first relationship is basically going to be a practice relationship. After that I don't think it really matters you were a late bloomer, you have relationship experience and you don't need mention that girls had 0 interest in you in high school.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 08:22 AM
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I don't really get you. Are you defending anal sluts 5 (which is what people actually have an issue with) or not? I certainly think that the more extreme ends of porn are bad for the people involved and bad for the people watching it. I'd be surprised if we don't see an end to porn over the next 5 years as AI improves. Why deal with all the hassle and moral issues when you can just type in a prompt? There was a big feminist push to ban page 3/lads mags (topless pictures of women) in the UK and i…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 07:35 AM
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Bit of back ground I've been married to my wife for 3 years we've been together for 8 and friends for about 6 years before we got together. (No I wasn't friend zoned) Do you firstly ask yourself questions like: Why is she still single? Something is wrong with her if she is over (_)yo and single Depends on how old she is. If you're in your 20s no one is thinking about it. I'd say into your 30s I'd wonder what had happened. She probably have a high n-count, I should go for younger for a better cha…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 10:36 AM
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I remember reading a study that showed men are generally gross out by girls who have slept with 10 or more people and women are grossed out by men who've slept with 20 or more women.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 07:46 AM
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Hey man if you wanna take short cuts though dark alleyways in major cities you go do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 07:45 AM
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AWALT doesn't mean all women are like that. It means behave as if all women are like that. Just like how if you can't tell the difference between a snake that's actually venomous and a snake that just looks like a venomous snake it's best to just treat both as venomous.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 12:05 PM
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Ok look i've tried with you. I've asked twice now for you to give me and answer and really tried to spell out the question in the second post. You seem to be entirely unable to answer a question which makes me believe the reason why men treat you badly is exactly why I am giving up. Because you're a fucking pain in the arse who makes claims then when someone asks a question you try and play stupid games. I'd tell you to fuck off if you acted like this too. It's no wonder people treat you badly. …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 09:23 AM
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I think it's good for women to view sex as high risk. I much prefer the idea of no sex without commitment. I think it results in better sex and relationships for women and I think it makes men live up to certain standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 08:10 AM
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Yeah I have a friend who I've been friends with since we were around 6 (now late 30s) and he still has hang ups about how he was treated at school. Good for you. It takes real bravery to do something you perceive as high risk.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 08:07 AM
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I think sex for women is high risk and always has been. I think one of the things men don't find attractive about women with high N counts is it shows they aren't risk averse and instead rather impulse driven.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 08:04 AM
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I'm just trying to judge what exactly you mean. Are you talking about microaggressions or people being genuinely horrible. What I meant in my previous post is are you saying you're treated badly because you're ignored (which i'm sure sucks but no one owes you attention) or because people go out of their way to be a dick.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 08:02 AM
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As I said around 20% of women are not like that and the rate hasn't increased since 2012 on the graph.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 07:58 AM
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I get you but I also think everyone see's their life though their eyes so their worst day is still traumatic to them just like my or your trauma is traumatic to us but would be a joke to most people 200 years ago. I do agree they need to get over it but it's not easy for some people if they felt they were socially isolated in high school even though most of us view high school as something stupid. Social isolation is torture for a lot of people especially during years when peer approval means so…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/24 01:43 PM
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If you look at the stats women are increasingly sexless too. Some women, I believe it's around 20% don't give a shit. The difference is you're so much more likely to deal with the 20% girl who's outgoing and doesn't give a fuck about risk than the 80% of women who are much more risk averse.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/24 01:39 PM
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If someone you trust betrays your trust it doesn't matter if you're 16 or 60 it's going to suck. Everyone's worst day is still their worst day even if it wouldn't have been that bad for you. Girls had 0 interest in even interacting with me when I was 16. I still feel bad for the guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/24 11:22 AM
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I'm not saying women shouldn't have sex with men they know and have proven themselves. I'm saying it's very understandable why women don't want to have sex with men they either don't know or are unsure of.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/24 10:14 AM
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I absolutely agree. I think women engaging in sex like men are very silly. It's something I think a lot of men don't understand.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/24 09:38 AM
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The problem with this is that men are not women. Womens evolved psyche doesn't get that condoms, the pill and abortion exist. They still view sex as high risk where as men view sex as very low risk. The vast majority of women don't have any interest in guys who don't meet there standard as the risk reward calculation doesn't work out in the same way it does with guys. a better analogy would be a women's fridge is full of junk food that might be poison and the guys fridge is empty. So the women w…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/24 07:56 AM
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Can you give us examples? Is it like they bought my hot friend a drink but didn't buy me one or them actually being a dick?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/24 07:49 AM
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I was a late bloomer and went from women looking insulted when I so much as asked for a pencil to coming over and chatting me up. Before you say my personality must have improved, it didn't. I dropped out of college and sat playing xbox live for like a year during this change. My personality got worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/24 07:46 AM
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I don't think most guys want to post about crazy things because They'd rather just forget about it. I dated a girl with BPD who did a bunch of crazy shit but I don't really wanna do a deep dive into it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/24 07:32 AM
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Men trying to approach women is a minefield. "55% of single 18-30 men say they haven’t approached a woman in the last year. 77% of 18-30 women say they wished they were approached more. At 41+ the trend flips and 55% of women said they didn't want to be approached." 86% of women say they want the man to make the first move. However, 50% of men report not wanting to approach women for fear of being seen as creepy or predatory. 17% of Americans aged 18 to 29 believe that a man inviting a woman out…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/24 07:22 AM
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I guess they want to be approached more but not by the kind of guys who post on PPD.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/24 07:20 AM
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https://datepsychology.com/risk-aversion-and-dating/ Most young women wish they were approached more often 77%
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/24 10:31 AM
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More homophobia. It's funny how you really have 0 range with insults. It's also funny when you're wrong you behave like what I'm saying is some huge over reaction to attempt to discredit. You kind of people are the worst actors possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/24 08:38 AM
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So if he disagrees with you he's gay and if he says he's not gay that proves he's gay? I don't understand how doing something guys will be impressed with is gay. Are men gay for getting a new personal best at a sport/hobby they enjoy?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/24 08:28 AM
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Conservative advice for women is literally to let men handle everything and make all the decisions for you, and if they decide not to approach you, then you’re “doing it” wrong… even though their advice is for what you should “do” is just to merely exist and do nothing. You're listening to the wrong conservatives. Louise Perry & Mary Harrington from the UK are both great. In the US you have people like Bridget Phetasy, Libby Emmons and weirdly now Lauren Southern after she fell for the "conserva…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 01:03 PM
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You're not going to get a good answer to this. I've read left wing, right wing, feminist and conservatives talk about advise for women and it really doesn't seem to exist outside of vague statements about being selective and not dropping your standards and putting yourself out there (whatever the fuck that means). Then there are the sex positive people who seem to think you should let a bunch of dudes you don't know use you as a sex toy like it's "empowering" I'd recommend this book as it's a go…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 12:12 PM
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Would you say that about guys who "use" women?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/24 09:25 AM
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I don't really get how you can argue men don't feel empathy towards divorced men while men are also refusing to get married en masse because they see divorced men and feel bad for them and don't want that to happen to them. Most men live lives of quiet desperation and the most they can do is take control of their own lives. They're doing that by avoiding divorce by not getting married. If I show any lack of sympathy for divorced guys it's because even as a married guy I understand it's a gamble …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/24 08:43 AM
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If by that you mean not feminists with blue hair with a gender studies degree from a mediocre college then no they're not.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 07:13 AM
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it gets harder for men too as they age, sperm quality drops after 29 and volume after 45 That's because advanced age in women greatly increases the chance of serious chromosomal diseases and heart diseases. For Trisomy 21 (Down Syndrome), "The risk increases with the mother's age (1 in 1250 for a 25 year old mother to 1 in 1000 at age 31, 1 in 400 at age 35, and about 1 in 100 at age 40)". https://www.health.state.mn.us/diseases/cy/downsyndrome.html#:~:text=The%20risk%20increases%20with%20the,in…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 09:14 AM
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This is why marriage was the way it was. as a guy it protects you if you lose your job or get sick or some other dude with more money comes along etc as a woman it protects you if your husband doesn't want to support you or abuses you or abandons you or cheats on you because you've aged. It's really no wonder we see so many men checking out when they see that they exist at a women's convince.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 09:17 AM
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I think the issue is that men aren't saying that if you're some tall, attractive, smart, hardworking, connected guy life isn't easier than if you're a women. Women are saying it's equally hard for men and women or harder for women because they're looking at their lives vs these top guys. Men are saying the problem is that it's easier to be an average women than and average guy which I think is mostly true and women do this motte and bailey argument about top flight men.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 07:51 AM
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There's no severance if you cheat aka commit gross misconduct.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/24 07:03 AM
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If she takes his stuff after cheating on him that's fucking him over.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/24 07:03 AM
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It's been a part of marriage that not having sex is grounds for annulment in all of history.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/24 07:02 AM
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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-military-draft-women-b2564179.html The senate committee that's run by dems have proposed a bill to draft women while the republicans have passed one that removes rights for trans people. No one really knows what's going to happen because the dems won't pass a law that gives less resources to trans people and the right prob won't allow a bill that drafts women. However lets say the dems win big this year (unlikey) well that bill can be passed a…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 07:02 AM
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I'm not anti marriage. I am married. I simply don't believe cheaters should be rewarded with the benefit of divorce and all the rights that entails. As far as I'm concerned you should forfeit the marriage if you fuck around.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 06:43 AM
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OK so that means it's ok that she cheats?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 06:41 AM
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But surely you did pay her as you're her husband and you're supporting her.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 06:40 AM
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But this is the problem. People are no longer getting married because they see that you can do everything right and get ruined. It's like lowering the wage of a job then wondering why no one is applying. A system that rewards negative behaviour creates negative behaviours.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 06:39 AM
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Well the current thing seems to be dems pushing for women being draftable and the conservative thing is making sure transwomen don't get an exemption.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 06:32 AM
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By reward I mean you get to take my pension because you cheated.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 01:42 PM
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They can still make accusations to get better results in court. It changes nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 01:41 PM
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If you don't like it, you don't have to get married. Go check the marriage and birth rates, they're not. 45% of marriages now have either the man and women making a similar amount Good but they're not the ones people give a shit about. I don't worry about my wife leaving me because it would absolutely kill both our living standards as we need 2 incomes. That's not the case in a lot of marriages and that's a problem when no fault divorce is on the table.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 01:40 PM
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Sure but the issue is they'll only accept no fault typically. So say you find your husband in bed with your best female friend in the house you paid for because he doesn't work. Why would he take fault and miss out on all your cool shit when he can just put in a no fault divorce and you can't stop it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 01:36 PM
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Men who cheat should be in prison and all their assets transferred to their wife.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 01:34 PM
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You're still forcing them to stay married No i'm not the cheated on party can grant a divorce if they like but they should not be forced to give up there stuff. Again this implies that marital assets are not half of theirs as well. in cases of annulment they're not and i consider cheating to be annulment territory It doesn't. Anything gain during the marriage, with a few exceptions, is a martial asset. Martial assets are co-own. And that's fine unless there's a breach of contract that voids the …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 01:32 PM
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Well there's a real issue when it comes to things like putting a price on things. As you say why does the wife of a billionaire with chefs, cleaners and nannies get more than the lower middle class stay at home mum who works her ass off. I don't really have a good answer but I think if you're a guy and you promise to support your wife and she has your kids and you get bored of her that's not her fault and you should have to support her. However if she breaks her vows she shouldn't get a penny.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 01:29 PM
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Yes and you can do the same in marriage Right but you can't kick them out of the company if they do nothing wrong. This is the problem that you're kicking people out of marriage because you cheated. They can still fire you, they just have to follow the clauses on termination. Which means I have to do something wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 01:25 PM
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Because the logic of "Bad thing happens so why not have more of bad thing" is terrible and "bad thing is bad lets have less of bad thing" is good. Less government involvement is the goal not more.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 01:20 PM
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fault divorce protects spouses who behave decently. No fault divorce rewards spouses who behave unreasonably.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 01:18 PM
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God damn it you're making me defend marriage. Forcing them to pay isn't going to make them love you again. And I can't imagine why you'd want them to pay, at that point. If someone told me they didn't want to be financially provide for me anymore, I wouldn't WANT them to pay me. That sounds like miserable life for both of us. The point of marriage is that relationship result in children and children have to be cared for. You can't just say your bored of paying when the whole point is you're sayi…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 01:16 PM
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right so if i got married at 18 with 0 money and my wife and i had 0 kids and she worked a minimum wage job and I worked making a million pounds a year which I saved then if she cheats she should not be able to access my savings.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 01:08 PM
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Hey turn this into a gay/lesbian relationship and my thoughts stay exactly as they are. If you cheat you lose access to the benefits of marriage which include divorce.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 01:05 PM
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Sure but that's the UK and Young people aren't happy about old people who didn't have to do national service making young people work in nursing homes for free. That's hardly the same as the USA were all men are forced to sign up and no women are.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 01:03 PM
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If your partner wants to leave and you are forcing them to stay, that is wrong. separation has always been a thing. You just don't get to leave with my stuff. This implies that the relationship is not an equal one. There's no such thing as an equal relationship It's also half of their stuff as well. Well that depends doesn't it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 01:01 PM
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This isn’t reflective of how most marriage work now. Most women work. It’s also their stuff. right so you keep what you bought i'll keep what I bought and we can split what we bought together. You however do not get access to my pension, savings, investments, personal stuff, anything inherited etc. aka a normal break up not a divorce. Maybe women should get to invoice for all the unpaid labour after divorce then? Maybe men should get to claim back all expenses then
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 12:59 PM
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elaborate.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 12:56 PM
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You can exit any other contract at any time. You can absolutely force a business partner to sell the business or pay you out. Go end your phone contract without paying it. If your business partner is breaching the rules of the contract you can absolutely get rid of them if it's gross misconduct like stealing or actively working with your competitors against you (most akin to cheating) Then that's between the two consenting adults and consent can be revoked at any time. No that's like saying my e…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 12:54 PM
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Because promising to not cheat, abuse or abandon your partner under punishment of losing half your stuff is reasonable. It's not reasonable to expect someone to give you half their stuff if you start fucking the pool boy.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 12:48 PM
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No fault divorce turns marriage into dating but you lose half your stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 12:44 PM
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The problem here is that you're acting like freedom is stopping people from freely entering into a contract that they want. If people want 1940s style marriage they should be able to sign up to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 12:43 PM
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You didn't have to grant the divorce if you did nothing wrong. To me it's like employment law. You get certain protections unless you start stealing or selling secrets to competitors then it's void. The fact you can cheat on your spouse then talk half their stuff is exactly why people are avoiding marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 12:42 PM
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Is that how it worked prior to current divorce laws? Yes How sure are you that that isn’t how it works now? Because no fault was introduced.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 12:37 PM
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It's pretty simple what men want. If I broke my vows you get to take half my stuff. If I didn't break my vows you don't get to take my stuff. If you broke your vows you don't get to take my stuff. That's it. Fixed.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 12:32 PM
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The issue is the goalpost moving. For example no fault divorce has just been put in the UK but people who were married before then didn't agree to that so why should they be forced into this new contract? I think the issue is that men are now seeing marriage as completely unreasonable and why fewer and fewer men are willing to do it. Why sign up to a system that they can just change on a whim so that you get totally screwed.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 12:29 PM
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Sure but the cheated can pick the best option so if your spouse has more assets than you then go for divorce if your spouse has less assets than you go for annulment. The point is for the higher earner if they're cheated on they still have to give up half their stuff which they shouldn't have to.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 12:17 PM
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No it's not. Nowhere in your vows do you say "I have to have surgery to make your sex life better and if I don't you can take half my stuff" Marriage vows are pretty simple you're promising to be a reasonable person and not abandon or cheat on your spouse.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 12:14 PM
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Marriage is not like any other relationship. Do you know of any normal breakup that involves community assets, assets, investment accounts, mortgage rates, loans, unpaid labour, medical insurance, and so on? This isn't like two high-school lovebirds. Yes as a married man with kids all I know is other couples with kids and about 30% are unmarried. What I'm saying is that in cases of cheating the marriage can be annulled by the non cheating spouse returning the relationship to girlfriend/boyfriend…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 11:55 AM
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post it
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 11:46 AM
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Source?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 11:35 AM
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neither women I mentioned should get a penny.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 11:12 AM
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Wasn't VETO'd it's in the democrat controlled senate after passing the house which is in republican control.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 11:11 AM
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I'm guessing if the wealthy counties where the draft isn't a big deal started including women then suddenly it would become a big deal. Let's see if this bill passes the senate and we can see just how much women care about the draft in developed nations where you're unlikely to be drafted.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 11:03 AM
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You can divorce. Why should I have to give 50% of my stuff when I didn't break my vows? If I married a rich women then cheated on her should I get to take her house and half her money? stay-at-home spouses who are cheated on as they won't get any compensation. No if you get cheated on you have 2 options 1 divorce so she can get half his stuff if he cheats on her 2 annulment so if she cheats on him then he doesn't have to give her anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 10:44 AM
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A surrogate gets $50000 so you owe her that per kid. Sperm costs money I'm billing her Childcare in home is an additional at $20 an hour 12 hours a day: $87,600 I have 2 kids in full time childcare it costs about 10k a year Maid, cook… I cook and clean so i'll bill her You’ll say “I could put my kid in daycare for less..” Yes but it would be ALL ON YOU every minute they are not in daycare Whereas she was in the home 24/7 picking up the slack taking them to the doctors, activities, meeting with t…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 10:41 AM
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same thing as if I buy a property with a friend. No marriage benefits.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 10:36 AM
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Housemate rules apply.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 10:35 AM
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Cool but she gets the rights that a girlfriend gets not what a wife gets.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 10:01 AM
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No if your partner cheats you get 2 options. 1 divorce 2 annulment Divorce doesn't work for a lot of men because it's their stuff so you're giving away half your savings and pension to a women as some kind of reward for fucking the pool boy. I'm sure in cases where the woman makes much more than the guy he would pick option 1.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 10:00 AM
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There's plenty of reasons for annulments cheating should be included. It's not THEIR stuff if there's a breach of contract.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 09:54 AM
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You shouldn't get to take half the wealth a person has created because they don't want to have a vasectomy. If a rich women married a broke guy and he said if you don't get your tubes tied I'm talking your house would you consider that reasonable?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 09:50 AM
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It shouldn't require a clause. It's simple don't break your vows and you'll be fine and if the other person breaks there's you get to pick between half there stuff or annulment.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 09:40 AM
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No if you're cheated on you should get 2 options 1 the current system so you can get half 2 annulment so you revert back to no access to the other persons stuff. I'd expect most women to pick option 1 and most men to pick option 2
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 09:38 AM
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-So you mean negotiate? Like 100% of all divorce proceedings. Divorce is not "breaking up", it's a legal proceeding. You can't change that. And you can't retroactively declare martial assets to be regular assets. I mean like a break up between a girlfriend and a boyfriend as the marriage is dissolved as it's void. Annulments happen. There's a system. Oh, so you get to keep everything if she cheats? But she only gets half if you cheat? I get to keep 100% of my stuff like I would in a non marriage…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 09:36 AM
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He already is. You can take half his stuff. This is just in my opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 09:28 AM
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You shouldn't get to take half my stuff because you cheated. You breached the contract so the contract is void thus you are no longer my wife and revert to girlfriend status.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 09:28 AM
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Annulment means the marriage is void. So you were effectively never married which means you have no rights to the other persons stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 09:26 AM
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I said what men want is the relationship annulled in cases of cheating. I didn't say men want everything they have built while married to be stolen from them by a women who's cheating on him.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 09:15 AM
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annulment means you revert back to being boyfriend and girlfriend. Figure it out like a normal break up. And if a guy cheats she should get the house, the car, alimony and half his stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 09:04 AM
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prenups don't mean annulment in cases of cheating. At best you'll get to keep what you had going in and as most people are married around 30 that's not going to be that much.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 08:59 AM
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prenups only allow you to keep what you had going in and even then they're contestable. So you agree the top % of men who make so much money they have already given their wife's more than they'd make cleaning or working in childcare shouldn't have to pay a penny if their wife cheats?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 08:57 AM
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I'm confused. What does martial assets have to do with cheating? Breach of contract voids the contract. There are no longer martial assets as you were no longer married. You figure it out like a boyfriend and girlfriend breaking up. women deserve nothing for all the unpaid labour she had to do or the sacrifices to her career she made for the relationship to empower her husband. I absolutely agree women are owed half if the guy breaches the contract. If I beat, abuse, abandon or cheat she deserve…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 08:53 AM
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Ok cool so lets say I earn 500k a year and my wife earns 0. I've given her more money than I'd ever pay in childcare or to a cleaner (which I'm most likely paying for anyway if I make 500k) So she owes me the difference from the over payment.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 08:41 AM
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You can't break up a relationship then expect the other person to keep giving you money any more than I can quit my job and expect my employer to keep paying me. redpill men stopped trying to be the alpha provider and obsessing over having a housewife so much, they'd never be at risk of paying alimony or losing their assets. You're putting the cart before the horse. Men want to be these things because women find them attractive. Don't do the thing women find attractive is hardly a great strategy…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 08:39 AM
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I'm not saying he's not an idiot. I'm saying if your wife leaves you for another man you shouldn't have to give her half your stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 08:33 AM
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No. It should be though.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 08:32 AM
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Marriage is annulled or the option for annulment is given to the non cheating partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 08:15 AM
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It's pretty simple what men want. If I broke my vows you get to take half my stuff. If I didn't break my vows you don't get to take my stuff. If you broke your vows you don't get to take my stuff. That's it. Fixed.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 08:14 AM
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If you mean get the state out of marriage then fine but that's not the system we have. The problem at the moment it feels like this. Man: I promise to not cheat, abandon, abuse or mistreat you and if I do you can have half my stuff. Woman: I promise to not cheat, abandon, abuse or mistreat you and if I do I get to take half your stuff. That's not a good deal for men and men are waking up.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 08:11 AM
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Because my friends and friends fathers don't make the news. I mean if you want to go smaller we could look at youtubers like Destiny who's wife left him for another dude now he's getting fucked over or a UK competitive eater called beardmeatsfood who's wife divorced him because he didn't want a vasectomy and took his house despite the fact they have no kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 08:06 AM
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Front lines maybe. No one minds if your in the catering core or a secretary to a Major or doing logistics or moving trucks to the front lines or flying drones.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 07:44 AM
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Fine you get an exemption if you're pregnant or have an infant. Same rules apply to men who are the primary parent.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 07:42 AM
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Either you can or can't do the work. It's a pretty simple solution that people who can serve should and those who can't should do home front stuff. Women who are capable of serving should and men who aren't shouldn't. Same thing the other way around. Women have proved they can serve so they should. I would expect to see more men accepted than women during a draft as men are more likely to be able to meet the minimum standards. Like with any job the test should be "can you do the job" not "do you…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 07:40 AM
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I'm already seeing people saying "Ozempic is cheating" like it matters.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 09:07 AM
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I mostly agree. When ever I hear "You're not entitled to a relationship you incel" I always translate it to "You're not entitled to a house you Housecel" It makes you realise that these are often just people who are annoyed with a system where they did as they were told and now they're being shamed for being disappointed they're not getting the results they were promised. Of course you get loons that walk dogs for 4 hours a week and act like they're owed the living standard of a millionaire and …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/24 01:16 PM
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Do you think people who were told to try hard in school and go to a good uni and get a degree then you'll get a job that allows you to buy a home and live comfortably are entitled because they're annoyed that their degree is worthless, they have no real hope of owning a house, they're in tens of thousands of dollars in debt and their job pays dog shit?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/24 09:45 AM
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*1. I don't know about meant to but I think it's better if you are. *2. I guess friends become flirty then they date or at least that how it's happened with me *3. You spend more time with people you like and the attraction builds. not everything is love at first sight. *(5)4. Both can work. I think you're more likely to be yourself with someone you're friends with first so it's maybe less about trying to impress them but friends first most likely didn't have a huge initial spark.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/24 11:03 AM
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This is like saying just make something illegal and it'll stop. No it'll stop law abiding people it won't stop criminals.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/24 07:37 AM
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I suppose because being being queer is a rejection of norms and people like norms which is why they're norms. I don't think people know what an egalitarian feminist is and are going to just hear feminist and feminist is a broad church but the loudest are the man hating crazy ones. when people hear "environmentally conscious" they think it's just new speak for environment communist like Greta Thunberg or just stop oil etc. People really don't like these extremists When they hear you're all 3 it's…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/24 07:17 AM
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So what you bring up the wage gap and if he talks about the adjusted wage gap he's redpill? Well I guess the redpill has changed a lot since it got restricted.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/24 07:11 AM
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Most aren't really blaming women they're blaming a fucked up situation where men and women don't really need each other any more and it's so difficult to get to a place of financial stability that women feel men offer very little and men feel women are demanding too much.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/24 06:18 AM
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I mean yeah kinda. They have great skills in organising and excluding and complaining and understanding it's a slow march though the institutions but they don't produce anything they just actively undermine and destroy.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/24 12:49 PM
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Do you agree that women value "being a good listener" and that means being understanding, empathetic and not dismissive or telling people how to solve their problem?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/24 08:54 AM
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Yes it's part of the whole "being a good listener" Thing women value so much in men and other women but refuse to do for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/24 08:11 AM
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Isn't it women that always tell guys that "we just want you to listen and understand not keep giving us advise or your solutions."
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/24 07:59 AM
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that's the 1970s not today.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/24 06:30 AM
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oh sorry I was quoting stats not making things up like you. Do you want me to post the stats?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/24 06:02 AM
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They're getting married later AND not getting married at all. Go look at marriage rates since the 1970s.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/24 06:00 AM
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never struggled with dating, not single, not bitter. Argue the point rather than this personal attack bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/24 05:59 AM
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In the mid 1970’s, when the sun always shone, and I was a very young boy being picked up at the school gates, all the mums (and a few dads) looked very old to me. I suppose they would have done to any child who was still well under 4 feet tall. Back then, over a quarter (28%) of all women were married by the age of 20, over three quarters (77%) were married by the age of 25, and more than 9 in 10 (91%) were married by the age of 30. It's talking about the 1970s.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/24 05:58 AM
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So am I just deciding not to win the lotto every week?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 01:47 PM
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1.i live in the UK 2. yes and ages are going up 3"(77%) were married by the age of 25, and more than 9 in 10 (91%) were married by the age of 30." is not "a bit"
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 01:45 PM
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I'm close to 40 and I grew up in a mixed economic area. There's a lot of single mothers that i went to school etc with. I'm not really interested in anicdotes though so I should prob find some stats. from a quick skim it looks like about a quarter of women with kids are single mothers and childlessness drops to about 20% at mid 30s. So of the single women at dating age for a guy in his 30s 20% are childless and about 20% have kids and 60% are in relationships so it's 50/50 with the single women.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 01:35 PM
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https://blog.ons.gov.uk/2019/04/01/married-by-30-youre-now-in-the-minority/ nope.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 01:31 PM
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because of costs aka because they don't have the buying power needed to support a family.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 01:05 PM
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bUt I sEE Kids In ThE SuPeRMaRkEt EvErY dAy!
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 01:04 PM
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-68402139#:~:text=Figures%20released%20on%20Wednesday%20show,halve%20by%20the%20year%202100. the reasons they give for their "decisions" in order "It's hard to find a dateable man in Korea". Not a choice Working 11 hour days in order to afford to live. Not a choice can't afford to take time off work. not a choice high cost of housing. not a choice cost of education. not a choice too much pressure on husbands to provide. not a choice
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 12:54 PM
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survivorship_bias
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 12:47 PM
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standard marriage vows. love, honour, obey, forsaking all others, richer and poorer, sickness and in health.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 12:00 PM
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well we know 60% of men 18-29 are single which wasn't the case 20 years ago. So either average has gotten worse or womens standards have gotten higher.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 11:53 AM
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Well fair enough but it doesn't sound like a great sales pitch to make to a 20 year old who's trying to figure out what to do. (Also, I don't know what you assume "several kids in tow"....that's just weird) sev·eral [ˈsɛv(ə)r(ə)l] determiner more than two but not many: "the author of several books" · "the programme is one of several in the UK" · "several of his friends attended"
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 11:51 AM
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so is the problem that these men are flawed or that their flaw is being average?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 11:39 AM
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So kill yourself working though your 20s then you can maybe get a crumb of used up pussy with several kids in tow when you're in your 30s? This is the same as the "herbivore men" in japan who on first glance seem weird then you read about how they're not working "part time" they're working 40 hours a week and it's just called part time in japan and the reason they don't date is women expect men who can support them and the only way to do that is to practically live at work and never see your fam…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 11:37 AM
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I disagree. I think a lot of women just don't want to date average guys and telling average guys the problem is you have a weird voice isn't changing the fact the real reason is because they're average.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 11:30 AM
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Yes it is. You're arguing that if a guy just fixes his problems then he'll be getting dates. That's not true.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 11:03 AM
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This is a just world fallacy. You're supposing because a guy is good and just that he'll get a girlfriend. That's simply not true. It's a stupid as saying "If you want to be rich just work hard"
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 09:00 AM
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How do you explain trans men talking about how there sexuality completely changed after going on testosterone and they self report a huge increase in libido and sexual arousal?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/24 06:26 AM
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I can't speak for them and I have not seen data on it. It's just a guess based on the fact people tend to go for people the same age.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/24 06:19 AM
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I'd guess they're much more attracted to other 70 year olds than younger people are attracted to 70 year olds.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 12:39 PM
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It's not dead it just got main streamed. Apart from negging the stuff is all boiler plate how to date advise for men now. Hypergamy still gets debated on. Barely. I don't think any reasonable person would say women don't take status/money as a primary attracter. The rise in "hustle" culture can be more so attributed to MLM's than the Red Pill. I don't really know what hustle culture is? You mean like drop shipping or having 2 jobs? That shit just sounds like a silly word for working hard. Can yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 06:31 AM
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Yes. Most men are attracted to most women in their age groups.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 06:19 AM
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the manosphere is lowkey collapsing. Yes but that's because most of the arguments are now even accepted by feminists. TRP effectively killed the blue pill and is now going into retirement.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 08:44 AM
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Because talking about exceptions to the rule is more what women tend to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 08:41 AM
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This seems like a weird argument that I'm wrong because laws? So If we put in laws that women couldn't pick there own partners then suddenly that makes it reasonable that they're not allowed to? I personally agree with the freedom to employ whoever you want (baring minimum level qualifications) in a free market. You shouldn't be entitled to a job based just on qualifications and you shouldn't be entitled to a relationship either. I find it funny that it's fine to vote in a political person based…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 06:14 AM
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In the real world men are just as delusional as on here?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 06:09 AM
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I'll try to remember that while watching Bluey.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/24 01:23 PM
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It went great. Taught me how to get out of my own way which was my biggest problem. I wish I listened to them more when I was as I would have had fewer bad experiences.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/24 07:04 AM
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Do you think it's gone to end up the same kind of difference there is between homemade and pro porn? Like a lot of people like home made porn because it's "real"
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/24 06:47 AM
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Jeez, you sound like me in my early 20s. "The road to rejection is better than no road at all" is a quote that I spent a long time thinking about and it pulled me out of that specific funk.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/24 06:04 AM
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Do you remember how dorky it was in the 80s and 90s? DnD players were below warhammer players in terms of cool. you might as well be train spotting.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/24 06:01 AM
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It's not quite there yet and the ones that are getting there are still more than I think you'd pay for a porn subscription. This shows the evolution of Midjourney. And while it still looks a bit weird it's much better than what people think it looks like because they saw an AI image a few years ago. Do you look at AI porn? No but that's because it's not hit that tipping point where it's better than free normal porn. If it was I'd swap. I don't like the porn industry. Do you even appreciate the b…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/24 01:33 PM
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right but your shift in perception is that it will be desexualised but that's nonsense because games are still sexualised, porn is very clearly still sexualised, I forgot to mention horror movies which were and still are highly sexualised but are now cool but back in the day they were evil. Things become normal though common use not because they're not sexualised. Go watch your average pop/rap video and tell me it being heavy sexualised causes issues. No one cares.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/24 10:42 AM
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No DnD was always weird. We weren't playing at huge titted women. Things like cosplay, fursuiting and LARPing only reached the mainstream once they were thoroughly sanitised and de-sexualised lol they're not de-sexualised at all and also not popular in the 90s. I note you've skipped most of my examples now. Wanna talk about if playing the atari was cool? wanna talk about if building PCs was cool? wanna talk about how much porn was normal? wanna talk about how sci-fi was cult? that fantasy was cu…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/24 10:29 AM
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This was simply not true in the 90s. Either you weren't around or you're lying. DnD was as it looked like in the last season of stranger things it was considered weird. More than that it was considered demonic. Anime was considered weird apart from maybe dragon ball z. porn pre internet was considered weird if it was more than like a tape and a jazz mag. very different to the infinite amount of porn people use now. If a person in 1994 were watching the amount of porn people are watching in 2024 …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/24 09:46 AM
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Everything guys did when I was young that was considered nerdy or low brow is now completely normal. DnD, videogames, porn, anime, sci-fi, fantasy, war hammer, building PCs, online dating etc etc. AI is going to be used by pretty much everyone for pretty much everything including jacking off/online girlfriends.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/24 06:54 AM
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why aren’t men doing it? Because woman aren't willing to support them. If I could be a house husband and my wife paid for everything and loved me for doing it I 100% would.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/24 06:37 AM
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Are they or can they simply not afford it?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/24 06:16 AM
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I think people are told from childhood there's a path to success I.E Work hard at school>go to college and work hard>apply for graduate jobs>move into apartment alone>get promoted>buy a house>get married>have kids>retire Now they have left college and got a job and it doesn't pay enough to move out and if they get a promotion they'll only just be able to live in a studio apt not buy a house and have a family. I don't like if they feel entitled but I certainly think they feel disappointed that al…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/24 06:13 AM
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So you're purposely being off putting so men aren't interested?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/24 06:10 AM
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Well here is not the real world.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/24 06:08 AM
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Sure and you can't force anyone to pay you enough to live. Doesn't change the fact that people are upset that they did everything right but can't afford an apartment.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/24 06:07 AM
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Right but if you're lets use your example hiring a DR then the minimum requirement is that they're a doctor other things are down to your personal preferences as an employer. Bad chemistry is a good reason to pick 1 qualified candidate other another qualified candidate. no objective qualifications There's no objective qualifications for work only for individual jobs. I can say I only want to date a doctor just like I can say I only want to employ a doctor. You can pick what qualifications a pers…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/24 06:06 AM
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What if this guy is delusional? Well a small percentage will be but that's always going to be the case. And how are we defining "decent" and "normal" Dictionary definitions work We really let this narrative on this sub get controlled by....well people who are not "normal" Sure crazy people tend to be the most vocal and want positions of power (Hi mods)
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/24 11:45 AM
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Like the boomer bosses who expect miracles when they're not paying someone enough to live. Women seem oblivious that if you're making crazy demands while offering very little in return men will simply stop putting in the effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/24 11:24 AM
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Ok would you agree with the following statement. "The average 25 year old man is in worse economic position to get into a relationship than than the average a 25 year old man 30 years ago" She might have her own place. Sure and she might not want to date a guy who doesn't they both move in together quickly than before, which it’s not uncommon nowadays. I’ve noticed more couples putting down a deposit and moving in together. Good luck trying to save with todays rent prices. I don’t think that’s t…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/24 10:51 AM
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But the rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer you can look at tables like age of marriage, age of owning first home and the percentage of virgins under 30 and the number of people renting under 30 vs home owners. It used to be the average guy could afford a house and wife and kids now the average guy can hardly afford to rent an apartment alone. This means joe average is simply not meeting women's expectations.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/24 10:36 AM
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I'm sure most people would broadly agree that purchasing power was much better for the average 25 year old man 30 years ago than it is today right? Well if you combine that reality with women's expectations then guys are fucked. You're going to have a much harder time trying to date as a guy if you can't afford to live alone than if you can afford a mortgage on a 3 bedroom house and enough money to provide for a wife and kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/24 10:22 AM
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It's even worse than that. If women have a standard of "I don't want to date a guy with no dating experience" on an individual level that's fine but if enough have that standard then there's going to be a huge number of guys who can't get past the first hurdle. This is like watching shark tank/dragons den and the investors refuse to invest in any start up because it's not successful. Then if the entrepreneur come back when they are successful they get offered $0 for 50% equity (aka marriage) Wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/24 08:07 AM
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Sure but the question is about the health of the market. If I say I think that if I work hard in school and get a degree I should be able to find a job that pays enough that I can support myself, I'm not saying that a company must employ me. I'm saying that in a healthy market that would be the case. If a guy says "if I've worked hard to be a decent normal guy I should be able to find a decent normal girlfriend" he's not saying a specific girl has to date him or that he's entitled to a girlfrien…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/24 07:33 AM
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Sure and if all you can get with your degree is a job that means your forced to live with your parents then that's how much you're worth. It doesn't change the fact that it sucks that 30 years ago you'd be able to afford to buy a home with a college degree and now you can't afford to move out to a crappy apartment. And it doesn't change the fact it sucks that if you work hard to be an average guy and you're dating options are worse than being single.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/24 07:14 AM
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I think the issue OP is talking about is similar to the arguments you see in things like r/antiwork. "A full time job that requires a college degree should pay enough that you can afford to live alone" is a very similar argument to "An average guy should be able to get an average girlfriend and not have to settle for a landwhale with borderline personality disorder" The issue as I see it is that both employers and women are asking too much while offering too little and thus people are going to m…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/24 06:25 AM
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I'd say it's going to go the same way as automation did to production. Sure people still like hand knitted stuff but why pay 10 times the cost for a product that's not as good just because it's hand made.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/24 07:57 AM
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Like WTF is online female attention economy? Porn, streamers, only fans, camming sites etc. The question seems pretty simple. If a better product comes out with AI will the women working in this industry lose there jobs.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/24 07:41 AM
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Exactly, men clearly aren't okay. Since women are much more relationship and family focused than men it's bleeding over. I don't think it's good for women to have the options of marrying a useless guy or being a worker drone living in an apartment. we had this new yorker cover go viral for being "relatable" and, well, if that's relatable it's not a good thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/24 12:59 PM
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“The Fatherhood Bonus and the Motherhood Penalty.” aka when women do the things you're talking about I.E *Women also almost always seem to take on the brunt of the emotional labour in the relationship. *Women naturally endure more physical burdens that men don’t. *Women tend to overwhelmingly take on more domestic labour than men Then men make up for it by working longer hours and moving to jobs they enjoy less but pay more. So men are happy to pay more when the situation arises. *Married men ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/24 09:11 AM
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Wasn't there a recent study that showed 60% of men aged 18-29 are single and half of them have given up and 50% of young men have never approached a women? Average might be an over estimation but slightly below average seems about right.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/24 01:48 PM
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for all we know all women were going for the same small subset of men as they always do. Yeah that's exactly what I said. "Interestingly it doesn't seem to help the incels as if the scene is a hook up culture then ugly guys are rejected even more." If you create a casual sex environment it actually benefits the more attractive guys, where as a more relationship centric system benefits more men, and women prefer it. It's bad for Chads though.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/24 01:29 PM
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I've read studies on universities with different sex ratios and how it effects dating. more men than women = women control the dating scene so there's much fewer hook ups and much more dating and relationships more women than men = men control the dating scene so there's much more hook ups and less dating and relationships. Interestingly it doesn't seem to help the incels as if the scene is a hook up culture then ugly guys are rejected even more. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20607909/#:~:text…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/24 10:37 AM
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Was that message brought to us from the same people who piss on our faces and tell us it's raining?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/24 08:07 AM
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“The true reactionary is not a seeker of abolished pasts, but a hunter of sacred shades on the eternal hills" It's not about going back it's about looking at what worked well and realising there was a utility to it that we over looked or under estimated. "if the old way was better we wouldn't have adopted a new way." So 100% debt to GDP ratio is a good thing? I mean if modern monetary policy isn't good then why did we adopt it?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/24 06:13 AM
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No it was life in the 90s but there were also a lot of cases of divorce which only made our generation apathetic about relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/24 06:05 AM
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You know Darwinism came before an understanding of DNA right? We can understand evolved traits without looking at DNA.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 11:12 AM
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You literally describe anthropology then segue into developmental psychology. That's not a bad thing. It's collecting evidence from every possible source to create an orgy of evidence. Would you have this same complaint in a court of law? Is it a problem using DNA evidence, CCTV, blood splatter, witness statements, foot print/finger print analysis and psychological analysis to build a case despite it using so many different fields? you can't TEST THE HYPOTHESIS Of course you can. You're putting …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 11:05 AM
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It seems weird to me because I'm even seeing feminists quoting evo psyc now. Mary Harrington, Louise Perry, Julie Bindle etc. The general terf feminists seemed to have accepted it as it provides an argument as to the fact men are women are different. It seems like a pretty simple concept that some traits are evolved and some are learnt. We can then test this by going though what I said in my previous post. We can then assume there was an evolutionary drive for this change like we can assume ther…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 09:57 AM
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This is a bit of a strawman. What a lot of millennials like myself are talking about is the lives we grew up with and were part of the culture. the Simpsons, married with children, family guy, etc it's all dad works, mom works part time if she wants/needs to and that provided enough for the family to live off. It was also a lot of our experiences growing up in upper working class/lower middle class environments in the 90s. The reason I think people are upset if that they're more educated, more s…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 07:49 AM
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Define unverifiable. Evo psyc hypothesizes that boys are more interested in things and girls in people. It checks different cultures and sees what the art shows, what the written/verbal history is, what toys the kids are buried with. It looks across history and does the same thing, it looks at babies from incredibly young ages prior to the effects of socialisation and they find boys are more interested in objects girls in faces and dolls it then checks our closet species like chimps and finds ex…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 07:36 AM
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The rest of the answers, I agree with the common conscientious but for Partners of +5 years not wanting to propose/get married despite initially agreeing on it Some times you meet someone and they seem great then a while into the relationship they show they're not really trust worthy or reliable or just not suitable for a wife.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 09:10 AM
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/local/wp/2018/07/20/feature/crossing-the-divide-do-men-really-have-it-easier-these-transgender-guys-found-the-truth-was-more-complex/ is quite a good piece about that.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 09:21 AM
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reminds me of the Norah Vincent story where a butch lesbian uses make up to look like a man and get's a huge shock at how she's suddenly treated as hostile by other women.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 07:07 AM
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a person but typically a woman who makes poor decisions regrading casual sex. I'd reference this article by the feminist writer Bridget Phetasy for a longer explanation.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 09:37 AM
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So it's a giant shit test?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/24 11:13 AM
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How do you feel about the Louise Perrys and Mary Harringtons of the world who seem to have a new type of feminism they call "reactionary feminism"?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/24 07:27 AM
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Is the price of a product too high? Well if no one is buying it then the answer is yes or you have terrible marketing and need to put yourself out there more.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/24 10:56 AM
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Women's standards are both unrealistic and yet reasonable. Like a lot of people I grew up and saw my dad and the dads around me doing upper working class/lower middle class jobs that meant they could afford to buy a decent house in a safe area and support 2/3 kids and a wife who could choose to work or not. I don't think it's unreasonable for women who grew up like this to want something similar for themselves. they are more likely to be higher educated and higher earners than their mothers. Tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/24 06:20 AM
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My job as a parent is to equip my kids to deal with difficult situations as and when they arrive. I think the best way to do that is to show them the science which would mostly be Evo psych stuff for dating then go though the different ideas from blue pill/red pill/feminists like Louise Perry and Mary Harrington then I'd show the more manipulative stuff from say the FDS handbook and the crazy man hating feminists. I think Chris Williamsons stuff on dating is the most reasonable stuff I've seen o…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/24 09:59 AM
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I guess I mean a cheap thing from the book. Something people get while on holiday in Florida.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/24 09:11 AM
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What about bad tattoo?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/24 08:57 AM
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I don't think anyone is saying that. They're saying that your terrible, impulse driven choices mean your more likely to make other terrible impulse driven choices like having sex with a dude you barely know.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/24 08:55 AM
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But that's like saying just vet better than you don't need to get married. I broadly support marriage in the sense that I agree with a structure that says that you both agree to a code of conduct and unless you break that the other person can't leave you. In other words "I promise to be decent to you and if I'm not you can take half my shit" The issue at the moment is that you can behave in a perfectly reasonable way and your wife and decide she wants to bang Bob at work and she can still take h…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/24 07:04 AM
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Changes in tech mean women will demand changes.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/24 08:08 AM
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None. I should not be allowed to vote.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/24 07:22 AM
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What men and why do they sign up? Do you think bob who lives in his 1 bed apartment and works in a nice office is going to take a job working in a sewer system? No it's guys who need the money to support their families. If you take families from men they will check out and do the bare minimum.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/24 07:20 AM
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That is kind of my point. It's a stand alone complex not a movement but it looks like a movement because so many guys are coming up with the same solution to the same set of problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/24 07:19 AM
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I can link you if you want.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/24 07:16 AM
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Marching, starting groups, starting NGOS, protesting, etc. I think it's unlikely to see men do this though, I think mens protest is checking out.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/24 07:16 AM
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I guess that depends on your standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/24 07:14 AM
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invented and mass produced so they're cheap, available and disposable and very different.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/24 07:10 AM
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This is like the "build your own twitter" argument. It simply wasn't possible because they'd just get shut down by the app store and the play store then lambasted in the news then they're fucked. If I start and NGO and feminists deem it a threat to their money they will force it to be shut down. Nothings stopping men's group from organizing and creating an advocacy group to fight for that. But they are and that's the issue. Feminist have shut down pretty much all men's only spaces and it's very …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 02:09 PM
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I simply don't think the dating landscape is as good for women as PPD and most men make out. Most women are pretty dull and have pretty dull options in terms of commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 01:57 PM
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My point if If I feel like I want to not be lonely it just means I want to develop a relationship with a person that fills that hole. I'm not saying other people are responsible. I hold others no more responsible for me being lonely than I blame a sandwich for me wanting something to eat.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 01:47 PM
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My point is that women are limited too. Sure it's a buyers market but if your product sucks no one is buying it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 01:08 PM
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I'm not blaming food because I want a snack but it doesn't change the fact I want a snack.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 11:39 AM
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I don't agree with that at all. you don't get to tell others if they feel lonely or if their loneliness is real or not. I don't feel like I need my wife for my happiness but I still feel lonely if she's not around some times.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 11:19 AM
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I don't think they're equal. I think young women are more desirable than young men. Being a 19 year old guy it's difficult to get a date with any girls as far as I remember. No girl wants to be a practice girlfriend or entry level girlfriend so unlike getting your first job you can't just apply at dominos.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 11:00 AM
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So I'm in the UK where prostitution is legal (there are rules but it's legal) and I don't think it makes a bit of difference. The vast majority of men don't use and aren't interested in using sex workers.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 10:43 AM
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Sorry that's not my intent. I'm saying you can fake being a good partner and there's no social enforcement like say shotgun marriages or moral foundations or close nit communities to stop it from happening. Why are so many smart guys screwed over by gold diggers? Because they scammed there way into getting the guy to commit. Why are there so many single mothers because men scammed them into letting them fuck them.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 10:27 AM
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But a lot of people are lonely because they lack the type of connection a romantic relationship allows for. I have friends and a social circle I'd still be lonely if my wife left me.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 10:23 AM
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You can still scam our psychologies. They're not that complex.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 10:16 AM
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This is something that I find confusing with both women and the tradcon/tate advise that can be summed up to "just be successful bro".
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 10:12 AM
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I'm not sure exactly what you mean by equal. is the average 19 year old woman equal to the average 19 year old man in terms of desirability?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 10:07 AM
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Ah so you think most women struggle to find commitment while most men struggle to find sex? No I think women of low desirability struggle to find commitment from men who are worth being in a relationship with and low desirability men struggle to get anything. Saying you're willing to commit doesn't mean anything if you're not desirable. I don't want to hire a person in a skilled position if their only positive attribute is they promise not to quit.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 10:01 AM
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Do you think women want to be an "entry level girlfriend"?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 09:54 AM
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Isn't the idea to build and grow as a couple? We're all a bit broken and have bad habits. If you expecting to find some kind of finished product of a person you're going to be waiting a long time.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 09:53 AM
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I think it's complex. Women are always going to be selective because evolution prefers men who ensure there offspring do well. Contraception doesn't change our evolved psychologies. Men are highly selective about who they commit to but not who they bang.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 09:40 AM
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Maybe if women do always have more options. For example If I'm an employeer and I put of a job opening for a terrible job with low pay I'll still get applications they'll just be from total idiots/ex cons/thieves/people who barely work that no one would want to employ. Women having options isn't the same as arguing women have good viable options.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 08:55 AM
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Go look at poor countries or though history and how much women struggle with periods. We have roman records of sick leave showing the biggest one was men having to stay home to do their wives and or daughters being on their period. We've mostly solved that issue which free women from being stuck in the home during their period. Some feminist you are.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 08:26 AM
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most of the womens groups are govenment funded NGOs. If you pay people to do out reach work it makes things go a lot smoother. Also every time a mens group is set up it's protested by women.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 08:12 AM
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some did "spinsters" most didn't because you get a much better quality of life when you share the load. The issue now is that the load isn't very heavy so it's much easier to drop out.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 07:35 AM
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Are these the same women who are suffering from mental illnesses more than any generation?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 02:55 PM
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There's always going to be people who are hyper productive who view these tasks as not worthy of their time. I'm not very interested in edge cases or stupid quotes about being too manly to push a button on a machine. how were women better suited to lighting a cool fire or scrubbing clothes in the river? Why did men need them for hard physical labor? Simple answer is the division of labour.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 02:54 PM
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What's the difference between something as as far as you can tell has free will and something that has free will? to quote the matrix. Cypher: You know, I know this steak doesn't exist. I know that when I put it in my mouth, the Matrix is telling my brain that it is juicy and delicious. After nine years, you know what I realize? Ignorance is bliss. We enjoy the chase, we enjoy being desired, and chosen. Sure but my point here is that real women are also a lot of work and have high requirements t…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 02:42 PM
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Some men do and a lot of men don't want to risk their lives. The issue I see is how to tempt men with no kids into doing job they don't want to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 02:13 PM
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The lack of free will AI language models will give the appearance of free will. inability to reproduce will forever leave them in a state of being a fancy fleshlight. Sounds like an infertile woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 02:07 PM
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I dunno man I have 2 kids pre school age and it's a fucking lot of work even with a wife who does most of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 02:05 PM
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Can you tell me why men will be less needed but women won't?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 02:04 PM
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There's more than 2 jobs.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 02:03 PM
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Children don't require a huge amount of work?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 01:55 PM
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I think it comes from different standards. Men are happy with things being minimalist and looking ok so when a woman wants to make things look pretty and perfect men tell them to do it themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 01:54 PM
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I just got told I'm a troll because I believe only people who do some kind of civil service or have children should be allowed to vote. Your post is exactly why.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 01:53 PM
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Well let's see how they feel when no one is willing to do the dirty jobs.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 01:51 PM
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Doesn't change the fact young children require a huge amount of work.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 01:44 PM
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The difference isn't man couldn't do it the difference is tech now does the work for us. I don't need you to wash my clothes when I just press the "mixed load" button on my washer. I don't need you to vacuum if my little roomba does it. I don't need you to shop if I just click reorder on my online groceries once a week. I don't need you to manage my bills when it's all done online in seconds. I purposefully didn't include anything to do with kids in my post because kids change everything.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 01:40 PM
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Years of unpaid labour to create the most valuable resource we have - people.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 01:09 PM
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Ok allow me to propose some issues. If a man has a family he's more likely to take on a job that pays more to support his family this for less skilled men means taking on dangerous jobs that need to be done. They will no longer get done. If you remove a huge number of men from the market then the men who remain will control the rules of the dating market. There are studies on this I'll find if you like but we can see in places where there are more men than women woman demand more dating and comm…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 01:07 PM
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I don't think I said "give up on relationships" I think I said give up on commitment and living together.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 01:03 PM
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https://www.buzzfeed.com/hannahmarder/why-liberal-americans-dont-date-conservatives yes
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 01:00 PM
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Why's it an issue is a huge number of men drop out of the dating market?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 12:58 PM
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I'd guess most could get dates but they're not motivated. I'd argue they're not motivated because women offer them very little while demand a lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 12:52 PM
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Sure so it's a matter of how unhappy are you in a marriage vs how unhappy are you living alone jerking off with a VR headset on. Pick your poison but one side is getting easier while the other is staying just as hard.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 12:51 PM
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I genuinely believe what I'm saying. I don't think you should get the right to vote without some form of civil service.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 12:44 PM
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Fair point, They may simply go off into the matrix and we'd enter some kind of tradcon future.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 12:43 PM
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But They're not driven to date by their sex drive. Why not? I propose it's because it's simply not worth the work to them. The issue as I laid out is we're going to see issues with men as women offer less and less in relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 12:41 PM
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I don't see us 100% lifelike human robot waifus walking around in just ten years. Not just in 10 years. This will never happen. VR advancing to the point it is indistinguishable from real life aka the Matrix let's look at the Australian jewel beetle Hyper realism is an irrelevant metric. It's a matter of it something can reach the point where it's more stimulating to our brains than reality. I don't see why AI/AR/VR can't pull off that level of limbic capitalism
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 12:37 PM
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Isn't there similar issues with young women when young women are twice as likely as young men to be in a relationship? People not having friends isn't the same as people wanting to live with partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 12:30 PM
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I think half of young single men are no longer interested in dating and that number is going to continue to rise with further changes in tech. you're still going to have things like a huge amount of men who want to start families and no tech coming soon is going to change that. I don't think it matters that some men are pissed off. No one listens to guys who can't get laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 12:28 PM
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I think you can have this revolution without sex bots ( which will never happen IMO). I think porn and now the growth of AI/AR/VR means that while it's not complete liberation it's liberation from wanting to commit or live with someone (unless you want kids).
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 12:18 PM
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I wouldn't say 100 years I'd say 10. We're already at the point where videogame NPCs can have AI. I think in no time it'll be some combination of Her/Blade Runner 2049/The matrix.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 12:13 PM
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Would you agree the exception to the rule is men who want to have children?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 12:08 PM
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Sure and tech allowed women who would be spinsters to be strong independent women who can afford to live in city centre apartments. The point is now tech has made us all atomised and self reliant we're going to see unexpected outcomes. The more I read about the herbivore men of Japan the more I realised they were mostly just guys who's only way to get a relationship was to work crazy hours and be a provider but after seeing what it did to their dads they decided to simply look after themselves. …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 11:59 AM
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I think a lot of this is going to be somewhat relieved by AI/AR/VR Girlfriends. If you listen to how some feminists talk about this topic it's very much on the lines of "It's an issue because it'll mean men don't have to work hard to get sex and validation from women". We're never going to be in a perfect situation but being independent is easier than ever.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 11:49 AM
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No I believe in a service for citizenship system. Men should have to either at least sign up to the selective service and/or do some military service and woman should have to have children.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 11:25 AM
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I don't really agree everyone is worthy of commitment some people suck. My issue is that men who struggle are told to improve and women who struggle are told either to demand more from men or that their standards are too high. They are not told to maybe try doing things to be more attractive and pleasant to be around.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/24 09:35 AM
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is "your standards are too high" the same statement as "If you want men to commit you have to improve yourself and we worthy of commitment?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/24 08:59 AM
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Then what's the point of marriage? I feel like such an agreement should come with a little more stern terms... You know, "Through thickness and through thin" Marriage is saying that the cost for leaving marriage is you lose half your stuff. To me what you're doing is saying to a women if you have my children (I don't believe in marriage where there's no plan to have kids) then I promise to do X Y and Z and if I don't you can take half my shit. I think that's fair considering what a huge undertak…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/24 08:47 AM
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You think? I'd say the standard advise for men is pretty close to "you suck but if you work hard etc etc you can be desirable" and the standard advise for women is "you're amazing you just need to get people to recognise it" we can see here that both conservative Peterson and FDS agree on what is very similar to your argument. I'd bet conservatives and liberals would both get mad if you said to women "If men aren't committing to you it's you're fault. Men are right. You are wrong"
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/24 08:29 AM
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Would you say my statement or more or less controversial/unpopular than yours?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/24 08:07 AM
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Would you agree with the following? your value is determined by the actions of the people in the market you take part in. If you don't get any commitment on dating apps, it's not men having too high standards, it's you thinking the value of your profile is way higher than it really is. The other actors in the market are not doing something wrong. Your product is just not competitive. Don't try to sell your flawed product in a market with low demand and high supply of cheap, high quality products…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/24 07:31 AM
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Then what are you arguing about? Having a partner does not make peoples lives easier. A good partner makes your life better but that's about it. There's the argument that the washing machine did more to liberate women than any other technology or political campaign. I think it's a good argument but what's ignored is it also liberated men from women in the same way women being able to earn their own money liberated women from men.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/24 07:07 AM
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Yeah my socks just get thrown in the top draw I don't even match them up. Another big thing is stuff like meal planning. If I'm on my own I'll just cook a huge pot of chilli and live off it for a week. If you live with a girlfriend you have to figure out what you both want and then cook pretty much every night.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/24 02:02 PM
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He literally said he does and it's "not hard work at all" and he's right. I like how mad women get when they find out that guys are happy living on there own because everything is so easy now living with a women actually means doing more work than living alone. Reminds me of this meme
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/24 01:53 PM
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My weekly laundry is all done in 1 load it takes about 10 mins of work including folding and putting away. Cooking is easy I just cook like I'm feeding 4 people then freeze 3 meals. I maybe cook for about an hour or 2 a week. Cleaning is no problem you have a fake Roomba and just wipe down surfaces. The only thing I agree with you on is childcare but I'm not talking about relationships with children I'm talking about living alone vs living with a girlfriend. Living alone is way way easier.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/24 01:48 PM
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