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Excellent point, and in fact some men might be ambiguous specifically to repel women like OP because they know she’ll be a real pain. I’m reminded of someone on Reddit who said that when they used to date they filled their profile with jokes because they resolved that they didn’t want to deal with any girl who took online dating too seriously. His profile, for example, said that he wanted a girl who was kind, compassionate, and had “a massive rack.” (He says it worked and he met loads of cool wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 11:51 PM
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Your two comments on this are excellent. You've perfectly described the difference between a woman who wants to have a productive discussion about an issue versus one who just wants to win. The former can be reasoned with, and even if you don't end up agreeing you at least understand each other's motivations. The latter will just do anything it takes to win—namecalling, wild accusations, changing the subject, bringing up your insecurities—and isn't worth commitment. It amazes and disturbs me how…
/r/TheRedPill06/11/17 03:12 AM
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getting married I seriously hope you guys don't do this.
/r/MensRights03/11/17 05:12 AM
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He said the truth is "most likely," not "absolutely certainly." Christ, it seems like bloopers and RPers have equal amounts of trouble understanding nuance.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/17 07:26 PM
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MGTOW and TRP tend to make broad generalizations in order to maximize their utility to the men they're preaching to, and this is just another instance of it. Sure, there are great single mothers, but without thorough investigation you'll never truly know the reason she is in that situation. It could be the fault of the previous partner, but you don't know the extent to which this reflects her poor mating choices and lack of planning, neither of which is good in a long-term partner. All you know …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/17 07:24 PM
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Hm, I can see how that'd be a problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/17 03:30 PM
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What antidepressants were you on? Did you experience any side effects other than lowered sex drive?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/17 01:55 AM
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Did you take steps to lower your sex drive or are you naturally that way?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/17 01:53 AM
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Being a sexual male who can't get laid at his convenience* is a curse. If you're the mythical Chad then there's no problem for you. If on the other hand you're an irredeemably ugly male with a high libido then you're truly cursed.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/17 01:51 AM
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As a MGTOW I can say it's probably because Red Pillers and MGTOW don't really care about the fairness toward women. From their perspective, everything is so tilted in women's favor that the small injustice of a couple of fringe groups on the Internet shaming women makes no practical difference. We have no interest in hurting women but no interest in concern for their well-being, either. Second, we point out hypocrisy on the other side to show that supposedly progressive feminists hold attitudes …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/17 12:57 AM
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What's funny is that this app is explicitly advertised as a hookup app and they'll do this anyway.
/r/MGTOW25/08/17 10:56 PM
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Like when a girl says "i want you more" or "i love you more", it triggers me, because it's scuntbaggy and fake. Lol glad I'm not the only one annoyed by this.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/17 05:09 AM
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I know, right? I notice that every time someone says this in the context of a relationship it's a feeble attempt to manipulate men in a way that advantages women. At this point the effort is so transparent it's laughable.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/17 04:50 AM
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It's perfectly reasonable to avoid risks that have little payoff.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/17 04:41 AM
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What became of the relationship you escaped into?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/17 04:07 AM
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Was going to say exactly this. Just because a girl is tolerant of flab doesn't mean she prefers it or that she wouldn't be lured away by someone better looking.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/17 03:49 AM
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Was going to say exactly this. Just because a girl is tolerant of flab doesn't mean she prefers it or that she wouldn't be lured away by someone better looking.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/17 03:49 AM
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So do I. "No creativity" is a bit ridiculous since there are loads of incredibly creative female artists out there. Kate Bush, Bjork, Joanna Newsom, and so on.
/r/MGTOW14/08/17 03:34 PM
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Yeah man my parents are the same way. Both are around 51 but they look about 20 years younger. They've always been Christians so they've never done drugs or partied and they don't drink at all.
/r/MGTOW12/08/17 05:04 PM
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The same media that decries the shaming of women into marriage and motherhood now shames men. What a surprise.
/r/MGTOW12/08/17 04:43 PM
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As I said above, I think it happens mainly in women who don't take care of themselves as they get older. They keep drinking, smoking, and partying and neglect diet and exercise since they think they'll retain their natural good looks forever. Of course when they hit their mid-twenties and their metabolism slows down their hard and fast living catches up to them.
/r/MGTOW12/08/17 04:39 PM
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Lol that explains it. Nearly every girl I went to high school with either looks just as good or even better than they did then. When you're that young there's no excuse for such a rapid deterioration in your looks, male or female, so anyone who gets that ugly in the span of two years was just not taking care of themselves.
/r/MGTOW12/08/17 04:32 PM
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I read through all of this. Insightful stuff and illustrates a mentality that unconfident men should learn. As long as you're working to improve yourself, confidently go after what you want. On some level, you have to believe that you deserve the good things you want.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/17 02:43 AM
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Actually I haven't seen any sexbot obsession on their subreddit recently for the reasons you described; a robot can't yet love you in the way a human can. Sexbot discussion is more prominent on the MGTOW subreddit. Although I don't have much interest in fucking robots myself, MGTOW often discuss the possibility as a way to satisfy their sexual urges without having to deal with the hazards associated with picking up actual women, and for that I can't blame them. We're a long way off from realisti…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/17 01:23 AM
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Haha, you too, huh? How was it?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/17 04:47 AM
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Since they're proud of me they seem satisfied not to tell me what to do with my life. My dad doesn't care about my love life since he's never asked. My mom must really want grandchildren though since last Thanksgiving she said she'd be open to me bringing a girl home to the family. I didn't have the heart to tell her that wasn't gonna happen. My parents are both wonderful people with a happy marriage; I know since they've talked to me in private and they only have great things to say about each …
/r/MGTOW05/08/17 04:21 AM
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I don't care much for traditionalism so it wouldn't count against her if she slept with me for on the first meet. I'd still be interested in hanging out with her if she were a cool and fun person. Unfortunately that's too high a bar for many women to meet.
/r/MGTOW05/08/17 04:13 AM
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"Treat me like a hooker who doesn't have to put out."
/r/MGTOW05/08/17 04:09 AM
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I notice the only dead bedroom stories with happy endings are those where 1) the HL partner ignores their LL spouse and improves him/herself to the point where they have a wealth of other options, or 2) the HL partner breaks up or divorces their LL partner. Often 1 and 2 occur in that order even when the LL spouse tries to improve because by then the HL one is fed up. But I've never read a case with no extenuating circumstances where talking or counseling worked. How people keep suggesting it is…
/r/MGTOW05/08/17 04:06 AM
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Thank fucking god i have a low libido You don't know how lucky you are.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen29/07/17 06:34 AM
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Yeah. Divorce may not be a realistic option for him so I hope he's cheating on her with a girl who's actually pleasant and that, if so, he never gets caught.
/r/MGTOW28/07/17 09:17 PM
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Reminds me of the opening sample to the MF Doom track "Money Folder": The villain took on many forms...
/r/MGTOW28/07/17 05:34 PM
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Most inspirational thing I read all day. Welcome. I'm sure many of us could learn from you.
/r/MGTOW27/07/17 01:09 AM
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Some female friends gave me free food and drinks once or twice when I couldn't pay at the time. One girl I saw casually a few months ago was very understanding of my depression. I stopped seeing her because she was nuts but that's another story. Another girl I met off Tinder a few months ago comforted me after I griped about my problems. I was most surprised at this because, even though we didn't end up hooking up, it didn't diminish her attraction for me at all; she kept talking explicitly abou…
/r/MGTOW27/07/17 12:40 AM
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It's already happening. There was a NYTimes article published a few months ago about the rise of open relationships. https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/05/11/magazine/is-an-open-marriage-a-happier-marriage.html I'm fairly sure ten years from now it'll be close to the norm and men who're still actively in the game (I'm not) are gonna have to figure out how to respond. I see a lot of aggressive plate-spinning (on the male side) and more blatant AFBB arrangements (on the female side) on the horizon.
/r/TheRedPill25/07/17 03:11 AM
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Thanks for the insight. I didn't know it was even worse in Japan than it is here; it sounds almost apocalyptic.
/r/MGTOW24/07/17 05:31 PM
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while they say they believe that most people are decent, they're still very much willing to summarily throw men under the bus for some (real or imagined) tendency to do certain stuff. Yes, as someone with left-leaning politics myself I find this kind of doublethink prominent among the left. They (though not sovietterran) simultaneously say that most men are decent while also arguing that most men are raised to be entitled to women. Both can't be true at once.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/17 11:21 PM
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Saw it yesterday. Pretty good movie. No contrived romances or shots of doting families back home, just men digging in and getting shit done from start to finish.
/r/MGTOW22/07/17 07:27 PM
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This woman is trash. She writes elsewhere that one of her sons is depressed and a suicide risk, yet she publicly shames him in a way that would easily invite bullying from his peers that might push him over the edge. Add to that the presumption that her sons are dangerous for being male and you have someone who should never have been a mother. God help those sons.
/r/MGTOW15/07/17 02:16 PM
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Yeah. I'm 26 so I have a long ways to go. The bright side is that I'll be able to get jacked long before my test significantly decreases, lol.
/r/MGTOW15/07/17 09:10 AM
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Urban Dictionary says it means to straighten (someone) out or put them in their place. So she's basically one of those girls who needs to be reprimanded like a child because she's too immature to act like an adult.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen15/07/17 09:09 AM
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I feel halfway between you and OP in my progress. I still want to fuck but it's not nearly as urgent given what I know now. Hopefully in a few years I get on the level where I still enjoy sex but don't want it enough to invest much effort into pursuing it.
/r/MGTOW15/07/17 03:38 AM
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Yeah, you can be. My experience has taught me that being Chad is a contextual phenomenon. You can be a loser in the eyes of one girl and a Chad to another. What's funny is that the latter group of girls will always assume you're sleeping with other women even if that's not true or you don't imply it. One girl recently asked me if I didn't see her recently because was seeing someone else. Truth is that I haven't; I just got bored with her and also realized after some introspection that I need to …
/r/MGTOW14/07/17 09:30 PM
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Holy shit, this opened my eyes. Saved. Thank you.
/r/MGTOW13/07/17 12:55 AM
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You're welcome. One thing: I recommend using a review site like The Erotic Review (instead of Backpage as a primary source) to look up escorts in your area in order to make sure they're well reviewed by multiple (at least 5) clients. I've had great experiences with escorts and shitty ones, and the latter was almost always because I didn't look up their reviews first. BP also has several fake profiles, some of which may be from cops, so using TER helps you avoid getting scammed or jailed if prost…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/17 12:37 AM
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EDIT: Tl;dr: I did it. Made me better at sex but only marginally increased my sense of abundance. My advice: look up someone nice with good reviews and do it just to gain experience/get it out of the way. I lost it to an escort and fuck escorts semi-regularly, so I think I can answer. I've written this elsewhere but I was a hermit in college so I didn't capitalize on the options available to me. The conservative Christian values I initially had deprived me of any real experience with girls throu…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/17 12:13 AM
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Yeah it really is pitiful. I saw a few people on a PurplePillDebate thread say that nearly everything they do is for sex, with one guy arguing that this is true of everyone. I find this mindset unbelievable since even the most mundane things I do (watching movies, hanging out with friends, leisure reading) are for my own pleasure, and I even avoid doing things that'd get me girls (going to the bar on weekends) simply because I wouldn't enjoy it. How hollow an existence must you lead if you can't…
/r/MGTOW12/07/17 08:41 PM
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Thanks, I'll give this a shot.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/17 02:17 AM
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And someone who read both books this isn't accurate at all. His issue with PUA wasn't that its stupid, especially since he used the same techniques to sleep with women even after he cheated on his wife. His issue was more with the community near the end of The Game, which was full of people using pickup to distract themselves from the emptiness in their lives and their inability to form healthy relationships. His second book The Truth is his journey in examining the reasons behind his inability …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/17 11:27 PM
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Okay, I think I can do that. What are the other steps?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/17 05:57 PM
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How do you do it? I'm interested because I think it'll improve my well-being.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/17 04:53 PM
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Wow that's incredible. Looking forward to the rest.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/17 04:52 PM
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Go to the archive.is link under SnapShillBot in this thread.
/r/MGTOW10/07/17 02:06 PM
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What did it reveal to you, if you don't mind my asking? Did it change you for the better? Feel free not to answer if you don't want to.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/17 01:39 PM
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Yeah I have a similar answer. In my experience women you don't know are less pleasant to you than men you don't know at social gatherings since they're wary of being hit on or harassed, so unless you want sex there's zero reason to talk to 90% of them to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/17 09:46 AM
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What instruments and kind of music do you play?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/17 09:42 AM
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Whence the aggression?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/17 09:39 AM
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I'd say going on dating apps and talking to women I don't know in real life. I notice at concerts that men are generally more pleasant and generous anyway (can't recall a woman I don't know ever buying me a drink, but guys have after we've bonded over music), and women have their guards up unless they already like you or are accompanied by an SO. I've come to realize that sex (and definitely relationships) isn't worth the effort it takes to learn game, approach random women, etc., so I'm slowly …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/17 09:38 AM
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Sounds like projection. I don't hang out with my introverted male friends, watch movies alone, and read books I never talk to any girls about to get laid. Even the most hardcore Red Piller/PUA should have some things he does purely for his own enjoyment; if he doesn't, he's more of a slave to pussy than the average beta male.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/17 09:22 AM
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Very nice. I have an unfortunately high libido but in a few years I hope to be on your level.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/17 09:19 AM
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Thank you. Finally someone gets it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/17 07:19 AM
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Holy shit, I knew it was bad but I didn't know it was that bad. It's enough to make the average guy quit dating altogether and just fuck escorts.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/17 06:21 AM
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living with a cow True, but I assume the joy of raising his daughter offsets this. no sex life So what? As much as I like sex, I get that many men don't prioritize it nearly as much as I do (this is MGTOW, after all). I'm in my 20s with an unfortunately high libido. This guy's pushing 40 so he probably doesn't care about sex nearly as much. or ANY life for that matter Isn't being a full-time father an honorable calling?
/r/MGTOW09/07/17 08:58 AM
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Saved. This is an incredible example of the "energy-free activism" Barbarossa mentions in one of his videos. MRAs fail to realize that society will never care about suffering men, so appealing to empathy in order to reform anti-male laws will always be a losing strategy. A far more effective strategy is to simply opt out of aspects of the traditional male gender role that disadvantage men, because only then will people take notice. We're seeing the consequences of this with tradcons suddenly urg…
/r/MGTOW09/07/17 08:49 AM
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What's funny is that the author just admitted that sex is pretty much the only thing a woman is good for. Basically. There are two problems with this approach. One is that anyone who has to withhold sex to lure a man into a relationship suggests that there's nothing else about them that's worth the investment. Two is that the kind of men that traditional women hope to lure in wouldn't fall for this approach to begin with. Even the average guy knows that if she doesn't fuck him within a certain t…
/r/MGTOW08/07/17 06:10 PM
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Another thought: This is an illustration of the basic PUA lesson that rejection is better than regret, and that trying to avoid rejection is often costlier than facing it head on. His fear of being direct means he paid several hundred dollars to learn something he could've learned for free.
/r/MGTOW06/07/17 06:55 PM
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Not a huge fan of that sub, but he would benefit from a lot of the advice there: lifting, outcome independence, approaching women, and so on. He's the perfect age for it. Only trouble is since he's not in college finding single young women might take some more effort.
/r/MGTOW06/07/17 06:44 PM
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Catching feelings is human but he dealt with them the wrong way. He should've called her ahead of time and, painful as it might have been, told her his feelings over the phone. The resulting rejection would've saved him hundreds of dollars and a lot of heartache. Now he should break it off because bring her friend puts him at risk for orbiting and he now has irrefutable (and unforgettable, lol) evidence that she's not romantically interested in him. Ideally he should've realized that trying to d…
/r/MGTOW06/07/17 06:36 PM
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Women delighting in male suffering. What else is new?
/r/MGTOW06/07/17 03:24 PM
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Yeah barbarossa mentions in one of his videos that one of the great benefits of MGTOW is that it's energy-free activism that doesn't require a leader to spread its message. Any man who sees the state of dating and the perils of marriage will come to these conclusions on his own without anyone goading him.
/r/MGTOW05/07/17 06:57 PM
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I think you'd have to be a millionaire to be eligible, but I've watched an episode and they truly work wonders. They pick out the girls for you and arrange a mixer, the girls are all cute and somewhat fit your personal tastes, then you pick the ones you like and arrange one-on-one dates with them. It's basically dating on training mode because they already like you (so there's no bitchiness, shit-testing, or flaking, and even if there is you can just move on to another girl in the same room) and…
/r/MGTOW05/07/17 05:55 PM
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Yeah I'm pretty sure that's the original punchline to the joke.
/r/MGTOW05/07/17 05:12 PM
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The anthropologist suggested some women might need to be prepared to compromise some of their standards in order to find love. But she suggested society should act to increase the number of men going into higher education. Your daily reminder that women don't give a shit about men until male suffering adversely affects them. A few years ago, when there were countless articles celebrating the education gap between men and women and denigrating men for shirking off traditional gender roles, no one…
/r/MGTOW05/07/17 03:12 AM
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Indeed. I've come to realize that the most powerful ability you have is the ability and willingness to walk away. It is freeing and refreshing to know that if a job or relationship is not to your liking, you can drop everything and leave and the other party can do nothing about it. Marriage is dangerous because it hampers this ability.
/r/MGTOW05/07/17 02:49 AM
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"They all want Chad" is the most succinct summary of contemporary dating dynamics I've ever seen.
/r/MGTOW04/07/17 09:54 PM
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Oh yeah without question. That's the only reason a man would cheat on a hot wife who supported him through prison.
/r/MGTOW04/07/17 09:53 PM
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Holy fuck this was a nuclear bomb of red pill truth. This guy also gets extra points for quoting one of the best post-punk bands of the '80s.
/r/MGTOW01/07/17 11:33 PM
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It took me a full minute to understand that headline.
/r/MGTOW01/07/17 05:45 PM
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What the hell?
/r/MGTOW30/06/17 04:08 AM
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What the hell?
/r/MGTOW30/06/17 04:08 AM
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Her replies are a gold mine. You're calling some other guy your soulmate because you had a thing for him in high school and he flirts with you! He's my soul mate for a lot more other reasons than that. And I know I sound like an immature teenager saying that, but I find it hard to truly connect with people and J was the only man in my life that I actually felt that bond with. My husband and I talk about mundane, small talk things. With J the conversation just flows naturally, he makes me laugh, …
/r/MGTOW30/06/17 04:03 AM
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Wow. As long as they're both happy and she doesn't divorce-rape him (a big if), good for him, I guess. As for me, although I'll never marry, if I did it certainly wouldn't be to someone 13 years my senior.
/r/MGTOW30/06/17 02:40 AM
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Wonderful! I only got into it a few years ago, so I'm glad to encounter someone with more experience in the community than me. What led you to MGTOW?
/r/MensRights29/06/17 03:30 PM
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Sorry to hear that, man. Get some therapy and then go MGTOW. Fuck an escort if you want, have casual sexual relationships with women you feel like you can trust, but never commit to them, cohabit with them, or marry them. It's just not worth the risk. Just my thoughts.
/r/MensRights28/06/17 03:26 AM
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Yep. We're tired of shit like this and are in various stages of checking out. If you ever get discouraged in your fight against anti-male prejudice, don't be afraid to join us. Giving up is liberating.
/r/MensRights28/06/17 03:04 AM
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It's funny how the author had to take half the article to answer the question: they can't get laid with straight men because they don't look like women. Straight guys don't want to fuck other guys, and identifying as "femme" or whatever will never change that.
/r/MGTOW27/06/17 05:16 PM
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Thank you. I needed this.
/r/MGTOW26/06/17 01:12 AM
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Though I get where you're coming from I don't think he's a cuck since he's seeing two other women on the side in addition to his wife. He can pull other girls and he encouraged his wife to see other people so he probably didn't open the relationship out of desperation. Men like him who actually benefit from an open relationship arrangement are rare but apparently they exist.
/r/MensRights24/06/17 09:00 PM
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The irony of women and liberal publications using the term "bromance" is that these same people usually complain that the presumption that two male friends must be gay for each other stigmatizes male friendship. They thus end up reinforcing the heteronormative notions that they claim to oppose.
/r/MGTOW24/06/17 07:34 PM
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Your username kicks ass. That is all.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/17 03:50 AM
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Amen to that, brother. Though I'm not doing medicine, I'm in the middle of school myself and I don't want my efforts to be nullified by some chick who takes me to the cleaners at the end of it. Great username by the way.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/17 03:24 AM
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Hey man it happens. I did not get laid at all in college because I was in an honors dorm at a Midwestern college where people seemed to pair off early. Came from a fairly conservatice-leaning Christian background so it took me a while to shake off that mentality so I could approach to begin with. Only in my postgraduate years did I start getting laid at reasonable intervals.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/17 02:57 AM
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Very good point. I've noticed myself that in dating you have to be unreasonably proactive every step of the way as a man, and the number of women worth that much effort to begin with is vanishingly small. It was that plus a multitude of other realizations that made me permanently allergic to the idea of dating any girl seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/17 02:52 AM
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Never tire of reading these stories. They're like booster shots for my vaccination against matrimony.
/r/MGTOW22/06/17 03:36 PM
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Was never going to marry and have children, then learning how the legal system was stacked against men further cemented my anti-marriage attitude. Also noticed that even the sweetest girls could dump you or cut off contact without warning or suddenly disrespect you if you didn't establish firm boundaries. I initially found this appalling since I would never treat a girl this way; even several months ago I at least had the decency to break up with a girl to her face instead of ghosting or via tex…
/r/MGTOW22/06/17 01:55 AM
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Women like this are why TRP exists.
/r/MGTOW22/06/17 01:43 AM
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True. As laughable as he is, the pickup artist Roosh V did a podcast a while back on the death of night game, where he said the payoff is much lower nowadays in large part because of dating apps. He describes moments where he was trying to chat with a girl who was openly trying to compare him to the men on her app and he had that sense of discomfort where he realized that continuing to talk to her would basically be an insult to his dignity as a man but he wanted to get laid so bad that he did i…
/r/MGTOW21/06/17 03:02 AM
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So basically do a good-morning?
/r/MGTOW21/06/17 01:11 AM
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In some sense all our reactions and behaviors are under our control, but it'd be a bit perverse to tell a grieving widow that she's expressing more sadness than necessary, or to tell a man gutted by his ex-wife that he's expressing more anger than necessary.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/17 09:32 PM
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Yeah it's one of the best MGTOW criticisms about red pollera and PUAs that they seem to restructure their lives around what women want. Even Neil Strauss noticed this in The Game and that seems to be why he distanced himself from the pickup community near the end of the book.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/17 04:26 PM
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Got involved with this girl early this year, broke it off when I decided I didn't really want a relationship and she'd be annoying to be in a relationship with, and she keeps sleeping with me anyway. Sends me pics, badgers me to show her my dick and so on. Even straight up yelled at me over text for not having sex with her one night. All of this is happening while she's still dating around to find a boyfriend, and these dudes she finds on Tinder are ultimate simps. One guy she went on a first da…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/17 04:23 PM
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I can't answer for him but he did say aromantic, not asexual. Some MGTOW completely lose interest in sex, some have sex but avoid relationships, some have a girlfriend but avoid marriage and cohabitation, and so on.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/17 04:02 PM
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As a man going his own way I agree with you. While I understand the sub has a lot of people who've been royally fucked over by women (often aided by society in doing so), I don't think women are children or inherently inferior to men. And in fact, believing this ironically absolves women of moral responsibility for their actions and makes it irrational to get mad at them when they're shitty people. That said I don't try to tone-police the sub because it should be a place for men to vent without …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/17 03:57 PM
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These title are fucking gold, keep 'em coming.
/r/MGTOW17/06/17 03:52 AM
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Laughed my ass off, well done.
/r/MGTOW17/06/17 03:44 AM
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I disagree. I'm an average-looking guy with average game and very little disposable income and the two girls who kept sleeping with me recently were actually open to the idea of dating me. I'd say women use your attractiveness/exciting-ness to determine if you're fuckable but assess you for stable provider traits to determine if you're dateable. In the case of the first girl it looks like I came out as both since she had her own job and didn't expect material resources from me anyway. In the cas…
/r/MGTOW16/06/17 05:33 PM
1

I'm seriously about to just turn to hookers because I cannot find a girl that doesn't end up disrespecting me and expecting me to cater to their every need like some slave. Totally fine. Just do your research to make sure you're hiring an attractive and professional escort. I can be MGTOW and still look for girls to fuck and maybe date right?(though I doubt I am ever going to find a girl worth dating). Yes. Some MGTOW like Stardusk are completely voluntarily celibate, some like Barbarossa still …
/r/MGTOW16/06/17 05:24 PM
3

Huh. Since it appears Scandinavian countries have healthier attitudes toward sexuality in general, I guess I shouldn't be surprised. Based on the replies in this thread Sweden sounds pretty great. The feminists are much chiller, Swedes appear to have more relaxed attitudes toward sex and don't assume that men are proto-rapists, and they have a strong social safety net. I should visit sometime.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/17 10:44 PM
1

But even assuming her standards are unreasonable and that she's conscious of this, isn't that a good thing for men in general? It means she won't settle for someone she has to force herself to like, which spares men the misery and pain of having a partner who isn't attracted to them. I'm a big fan of the Anti-Dump's Machine philosophy, which says that the greatest danger is getting involved with a girl that doesn't like you, so I like it when women are conscious of their high standards and refus…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/17 06:33 PM
1

I haven't seen statistics or surveys demonstrating that men who see prostitutes are in general desperate and can't get laid otherwise. It's possible but in the absence of evidence I'll have to withhold judgment.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/17 06:23 PM
2

Honestly this is probably it. I like the variety and convenience and I don't like dating so I do it. I'm itching to see one right now but won't since it'd be financially irresponsible at this time.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/17 12:39 AM
2

True; in the case of an escort the quote is not quite accurate. You don't pay them only to leave, you pay them to have sex and then leave you alone when you no longer want to be bothered. This chick I've been hooking up with makes me appreciate that last part so much more.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/17 12:31 AM
9

I don't think OP was arguing that the guy's behavior made him more attractive, though. He was just saying that some guys see escorts despite being able to pull regular women.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/17 11:02 PM
1

Shit, your relationship sounds awesome for you both, congratulations. I wouldn't mind something like that but a lot of red pill thought is a response to the fact that women like you are so rare that planning your future in anticipation of landing one is completely foolhardy. I wish you both the best.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/17 02:03 AM
2

Seeing a prostitute is admitting defeat, admitting to the world and to yourself that you're not good enough to obtain real enthusiastic sex with a partner who genuinely desires you. You're often right but this depends heavily on the motivations of the man in question. Some do it because they are "admitting defeat". Some do it because they're too busy to go on actual dates or would rather spend their time doing something they enjoy. A rare number do it for fun despite the fact that they're able t…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/17 06:36 PM
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Don't listen to the naysayers; this was an excellent post. Something similar happened to me a month ago where I let a crazy girl cross a line because she made it plain she was down to fuck. Though it sucks I didn't end up sleeping with her, I understand that was entirely beyond my control. What I really regret, though, is not warning her then cutting off contact when she disrespected me because she was hotter than any girl I've ever met. Never again. Self-respect and self-ownership is always mor…
/r/TheRedPill12/06/17 05:43 AM
8

I can't get mad at her because she at least evinces a sense of personal responsibility that most women in her position would lack. She admits to feeling depressed that she couldn't lock down a guy but instead of blaming men she says that it's entirely her fault and that men aren't obligated to commit to her. That alone (almost) makes me want to root for her, and trust me, it takes a lot for me to root for a woman complaining about her love life. The part where she says the deck is stacked agains…
/r/MGTOW11/06/17 03:57 PM
3

she finally had an affair thank God This made me laugh.
/r/MGTOW09/06/17 06:09 PM
11

I know guys like this, working-class dudes catcalling women in the ghetto and thirsty dudes on Instagram are giving us a bad rep but believe me, this is not the case. My fellow brethren and I wouldn't even consider this girl.
/r/MGTOW08/06/17 04:35 AM
7

Yeah dude I was shocked when I saw she's 25 because the pounds make her look about two decades older.
/r/MGTOW08/06/17 04:30 AM
4

Sorry to comment again, but a curvy woman This is not curvy. Ashley Graham is curvy. Felicity Hayward is curvy (probably the upper limit of curvy). The "curves" from this chick's shoulders to her hips are straight lines because of the adipose tissue spilling over her bathing suit. She's just fat.
/r/MGTOW08/06/17 04:29 AM
1

Yikes. I thought you were exaggerating when you said tubster since guys online tend to overstate how fat a girl is but you weren't kidding. Good for that guy, I guess? So long as he's happy who cares. EDIT: She's 25?! She looks forty! Why would he marry her? If she's such shit at taking care of herself right now imagine how much worse she'll look in five years! I don't understand this guy, he can do so much better.
/r/MGTOW08/06/17 04:14 AM
3

Holy fuck. Daily reminder that you can't win. I mean I've seen a lot of shit on here but this takes the cake. It's so mundane but somehow even worse than that cuckoldry thread I saw yesterday. This is like that episode of Louie come to life. I need to lie down.
/r/MGTOW07/06/17 09:12 PM
1

Didn't even read the linked thread and I already know he is afraid of seeming jealous and also so afraid to lose the pussy access due to lack of other options that he is willing to put up with anything but cheating he is aware of. Holy shit you guessed all that without even opening the thread? I'm impressed.
/r/MGTOW06/06/17 11:42 PM
13

If there's anything I've learned it's to always assume a woman is a slut until proven otherwise. Since I avoid relationships I don't mean this in a disparaging way; I benefit from it, after all, and very few of them are bad people. The woman I've been sleeping with was insistent on a relationship before sex; I refused and now she just wants sex and nothing else. When I first met her I never would've guessed she was like that. Another girl I got involved with late last year was also a slut and an…
/r/MGTOW05/06/17 09:44 PM
13

I don't know what's funnier: the woman baby-trapping the guy after explicitly promising not to, or the women in the thread implying that men should never trust them to keep their word. You can't win with these people. If you don't trust a woman to abort if she gets pregnant, you're a misogynist. If you do trust her and she chooses not to, you're an idiot.
/r/MGTOW31/05/17 03:43 PM
1

To condense everyone else's advice here, hire an escort once just to see what it's like, then next time hire another one with the intention of making it the best experience for yourself possible. Do your research to find an escort who looks like her pictures and is well reviewed so you don't get cheated. If you're a hermit like myselfand make enough money, this is a cost-effective way for you to at least see what you were missing out on. You could learn game and get it for free but that would no…
/r/MGTOW21/05/17 11:31 PM
22

As others have pointed out, this is the default state for the average adult male. You are a nonentity in public spaces unless you impose yourself in some way. And even being a nonentity as a woman is a privilege compared to the same status as a man since if you're female people are less likely to see you as a potential threat to women and children just for going about your day. This sort of thing is why I don't feel bad for women complaining that no one hits on them or asks them out; they're sim…
/r/MGTOW08/05/17 05:31 PM
1

Indeed. Be wise as serpents, but harmless as doves.
/r/MGTOW24/04/17 04:46 PM
10

I know right? It's like absolutely none of them work out at all. At their age there's no excuse.
/r/MGTOW24/04/17 04:29 PM
13

45%? Jesus Christ. Not that I was ever going to get married to begin with, but if that stat is true then that's just appalling. Much worse than I thought. Though I will give that woman credit for just leaving her husband without taking half his shit, that alone tells you the low moral standard to which we have to hold women like this. If your wife just rips your heart out and abandons your children but leaves your wallet alone, relatively speaking you still got off light.
/r/MGTOW24/04/17 04:12 PM
1

Stop this nonsense. You're reasonably attractive. I'm not even saying this to boost your self-esteem or anything, it's just annoying when perfectly good-looking people act like they're ugly as if they're fishing for compliments or trying to disguise their vanity. You look good, give it a rest.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/17 04:37 PM
4

This is a good point. The burden of performance during sex is placed so much on men that many women completely abdicate their own responsibility to communicate what they like and don't like, then write a man off as a bad lay for not reading her mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/17 03:49 PM
1

Probably not that common.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/17 09:04 PM
2

Not sure how common it is but a girl once told me she rejected a guy because he had a micropenis. I feel sorry for them both.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/17 09:39 AM
3

Goddamnit squid you fucked my girl again, didn't you?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/17 09:36 AM
1

Interesting. I'm black and my style of humor is nothing like what you see in black standup. I tend to go for more absurdist, nihilistic humor when joking around with my friends. It's weird since I hung around mostly black people growing up, so I wonder how that happened.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/17 08:43 PM
2

I suffer from a medical condition that causes me extreme pain when I listen to a girl's voice for more than 5 minutes. You fucker, I almost spit out my tea.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/17 08:37 PM
2

Dude, you nailed nearly everything that is unappealing about chasing women in one post. What you wrote reminds me of this article that made things click in place for me: http://captaincapitalism.blogspot.com/2008/10/yes-men-do-leave-market.html?m=1
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/17 08:33 PM
1

The whole process of pursuit, the details etc. They're unhappy, they feel put-upon, they resent having to pursue women. Makes some sense if you think women are shit, I guess, but I think of dudes I know irl (and myself, but from the other side) and the pursuit/the being pursued - for most people, imo that shit is fun. it IS the fun part. The game. It's exciting/interesting, it's the thing that makes you want to go out and meet others. Though I'm MGTOW, I don't think women in general are shit, bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/17 08:10 PM
0

The dizzying variety of porn categories, which include chubby, BBW, and almost every other body type, plus my discussions with and observations of men I know and their girlfriends, make me extremely skeptical of this claim.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/17 07:09 PM
1

Hang around different men, then. Unless your body consists of a mass of tentacles or something you are not a 4.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/17 07:06 PM
1

8 and 9 are my ideal. Had a brief and intense fling in December with a girl who was in the 8 category and she was hot as hell. Best sex I ever had. Other than that I'd say body types I like include Ashley Graham's, Kate Upton's, and those of short girls who powerlift because they have toned arms, a firm butt, and thick, strong thighs (example: https://instagram.com/p/BSba2mdFKOH/). A shame I'm not jacked enough to get at the last category, but it is what it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/17 06:38 PM
3

That's fair. The dilemma from the male perspective is that it's hard to differentiate the women who actually mean it from those who just say it to string men along. That this problem exists isn't your fault, though, so keep doing you and don't have sex before you feel ready.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/17 07:19 AM
1

You don't look bad so if no man wants you for either then you must be doing something wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/17 04:37 AM
3

Agreed. The last two women I've been with basically had that reaction to me and kept sleeping with me precisely because of that. I'd go as far as to say that if a woman isn't viscerally and openly attracted to you in that way then she's not worth getting involved with. That display of attraction is the most reliable way to determine if she actually likes you or is just settling for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/17 04:17 AM
3

Probably meaning it doesn't take much for a woman to keep the average man around. Be pleasant, look after your appearance, be incredibly attracted to him and show it, treat him as a human instead of a utility, and so on. Men's needs in general are so easy to satisfy that it's pathetic that so many women can't measure up.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/17 09:16 PM
1

but the fact that for many of those girls 2nd place means being the boyfriend not the fuckbuddy. You've summarized perfectly one of the main reasons why I avoid the boyfriend role. No doubt some women will never make someone they're not attracted to a boyfriend, but too many of them are willing to "settle" for someone they don't really like that's impossible to tell if they actually find you attractive or are with you because they can't do any better. Being a fwb gets around this problem since i…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/17 11:10 PM
1

How do you typically do kino on a date, I.e. what do you start out doing and what do you physically escalate toward? I've recently had moderate success and have one consistent fwb but I feel I need to tighten my game up so I can get another one before my current one finds an actual boyfriend. I have some trouble being overtly sexual on a date and I need to figure out how to do it right consistently.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/17 11:02 PM
2

Not to make you feel bad but how'd that happen?
/r/MGTOW08/04/17 05:33 PM
2

Ironically, the better quality girls are cool with that. If she says she's worth more chances are she's worth nothing Though I'm not nearly as experienced as you, this is what I've found too. Those who are genuinely into you don't ask you to pay for anything.
/r/MGTOW04/04/17 07:28 PM
8

Nailed it. This is why I'm no longer excited to date: because it's too much like a job. I had this epiphany when I saw a speed dating event advertised and I was about to go before I thought: why would I be eager to do something that's fundamentally unenjoyable? What's the point? The only enjoyable dates are one where the girl's so into you that it virtually doesn't matter what you do or say. Anyone who's anything short of being thrilled to be around you isn't worth the effort.
/r/MGTOW04/04/17 07:23 PM
3

Indeed. Similarly, if a woman is determined to falsely accuse you of something and ruin your career and reputation, no amount of frame-holding can stop her. You can't alpha your way out of criminal charges. Here's an example of a charming, charismatic philosophy professor whose career got destroyed by two accusations from past students/lovers that had absolutely no merit. Dude got reduced to tears in the middle of his Title IX witch trial. No amount of alpha in the world could have saved him: ht…
/r/MGTOW04/04/17 06:59 PM
3

Aw fuck man, I'm sorry. I know how it feels when even an experienced girl is riding your duck at an angle that might break it.
/r/MGTOW03/04/17 01:23 AM
1

Fantastic.
/r/MGTOW02/04/17 08:42 AM
1

Laughed my ass off at this. Thank you.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/17 07:52 AM
1

I have to agree with /u/ManSentHisOwnWay and say that I have no idea how any man, least of all a red piller, could truly enjoy dating given the number of hoops men are expected to jump through: holding frame, leading the interaction, playing with her emotions, and desperately trying to connect with a gender that's been conditioned to expect you to do all the work anyway. I find none of this fun. I consider it a chore you have to go through just to have sex and get to that part where you can rela…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/17 06:57 AM
1

No because I don't want marriage or children.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/17 03:02 AM
2

Not to call anyone out but /u/squidracer may be one of them. I notice a few of his posts are about how vigilant he's had to be to avoid being suckered into commitment by the girls he's slept with.
/r/MGTOW31/03/17 03:02 AM
3

Like someone remarked yesterday, the only way to win in situations like these is to be the side-dick (the guy she cheats with or the fwb).
/r/MGTOW30/03/17 05:05 PM
1

Good call, man. What's the other half?
/r/MGTOW30/03/17 02:43 AM
6

Indeed. The FemRADebates thread regarding the AskMen thread about this goes into much greater depth, with a reference to MGTOW to boot: I guess it's because many women believe that a lot of the work men do for them is actually not work, but rather something that men just happen to do spontaneously, something they enjoy. When an individual man complains that the work is too much and he doesn't actually enjoy it, it is easier to just label him lazy or weird, and avoid him. When a whole group of me…
/r/MGTOW29/03/17 04:51 AM
3

Oh shit I saw this a year ago and I raged so hard. What the fuck.
/r/MGTOW27/03/17 11:15 PM
2

Thanks, man. You're right about depression and idleness. I find if I commit myself wholly to a task it's harder to get stuck in negative thought patterns. I'm gonna do that more often.
/r/MGTOW27/03/17 10:42 PM
4

Yeah you're probably right. My anxiety and depression sort of play negative thought patterns that make me afraid of even starting work—I just lost an entire weekend of work to this again—but I think just sucking it up and doing it as I continue to take medication would make me less miserable.
/r/MGTOW27/03/17 07:55 AM
5

No lie dude, this actually happened to me. Girl I'm sleeping with tried to quarrel with me over text a few weeks ago and instead of responding, I put away my phone and did something else. Ten minutes later she actually acknowledged that she was being irrational and apologized. I've used this trick often and they much more easily drop the subject if I just don't respond. It's magic. Though maybe I shouldn't generalize from my own experiences.
/r/MGTOW26/03/17 06:20 AM
6

Agreed. I didn't know that being a beta male meant you deserve half your shit taken from you and never seeing your child again. This is the bullshit that happens when people like this guy deny that women are moral agents: moral responsibility gets shifted entirely onto the man.
/r/MGTOW26/03/17 04:52 AM
1

It's not just you. Aside from her and the Latina girl imposing a break from sex, I don't care for anyone else here.
/r/MGTOW26/03/17 02:56 AM
1

I know right? Any girl asking for a break from sex—as in, asking me to go for weeks or months without sex—absent illness or injury or some other serious extenuating circumstance is a no in my book. I would've peaced out of there so fast if I was him.
/r/MGTOW26/03/17 02:54 AM
5

Aaaand that's why I don't do relationships. Fuck them, hang out with them if they're cool, but never commit to them.
/r/MGTOW26/03/17 01:57 AM
1

I'm now typing this blind because fucking Vicky Hawkes took away my vision. Thanks, OP.
/r/MGTOW25/03/17 01:07 AM
3

There are one or two. One woman complained that her husband won't touch her because he has low testosterone.
/r/MGTOW23/03/17 02:26 PM
15

For all those who think Asian women are somehow "special" and "different",here's a juicy tidbit from that thread: I took the photos [of my wife's texts] to work the following day and showed my coworker. She said, "This is terrible. I can't tell you want it says. I feel bad." I insisted to know at least a little. She said ok this kanji here has to do with having a orgasm. That was enough. For anyone who thinks longevity is an indicator of quality: It stopped being fun, after 30 years married. She…
/r/MGTOW23/03/17 04:51 AM
1

There's a great thread on FeMRAdebates that highlighted exactly this: http://archive.is/ceCHX In summary: romance is easy for women because it only requires them to enjoy the experiences or gifts men give them without any social obligation to reciprocate. Romance is hard for men because not only is it work they have to perform to win or keep a woman's affections, but they also have to pretend it isn't work, since not doing so would shatter the romantic experience and expose the transactional nat…
/r/MGTOW21/03/17 10:14 PM
5

To paraphrase Blackdragon, this is what you get when you blunder into monogamous marriage thinking that you're an exception to the rule because you're an Alpha Male who Knows What He's Doing and has found that One Special Girl who's Not Like the Rest.
/r/MGTOW13/03/17 03:55 AM
1

Fuck, this is soul-destroying. The fact that you're still alive is an accomplishment in and of itself.
/r/MGTOW11/03/17 01:25 AM
2

Yep, can confirm. I'm no Chad and I'm not super handsome but I realized in my recent experiences with two different women that if a girl thinks you're incredibly attractive and you honestly convey that you are willing to walk away at any time even if you like her, nearly all the work is already done for you. The last (crazy) girl I was with kept sleeping with me—who didn't pay for her meal on the first date, then broke up with her and started sleeping with her again—while she was going out on fi…
/r/MGTOW10/03/17 05:46 PM
18

Yeah honestly the more of this shit I read the more I'm convinced that the percentage of women worth committing to (even just as a girlfriend who doesn't live with you, and even excluding those who are undatable due to age or location) is virtually zero. The modern state of affairs is that 1) you're so easily replaceable that you might as well be honest about it instead of hiding it behind "commitment" and 2) so many girls pull so much shit that if she doesn't dump you first, you'll probably wan…
/r/MGTOW03/03/17 03:38 AM
44

From the same article: As crazy as it sounds, the more she likes you, the less likely she is to sleep with you on an early date, because she doesn’t want to sabotage having a "proper" relationship with you. So she just might purposely hunt out the ugliest underwear in her drawer and not shave her legs—all to prevent herself from getting naked with you too soon. Exactly the kind of woman you want to avoid. Such a dysfunctional attitude toward sex doesn't bode well.
/r/MGTOW03/03/17 03:21 AM
3

A lot of this is totally unnecessary but this guy has perfectly explained the difference between the lover and the nice guy. The lover communicates at all levels that he's all about sex, while the nice guy hides his sexuality in the beginning while hoping to win her over on nonsexual traits like his bank account, his personality, his intellect, and so on. This part right here is excellent: “I am high sexual, I am sexually confident, I am Masculine and I do not apologise for my sexuality. I am sh…
/r/MGTOW27/02/17 05:54 AM
1

Saw it yesterday. Really well constructed horror film about race. Highly recommend it.
/r/MGTOW26/02/17 06:20 PM
2

One of my absolute favorites of last year. Watched it again yesterday and it still hit me in the feels.
/r/MGTOW26/02/17 06:20 PM
1

I'm at that point myself, brother. Realized I've made several stupid decisions and didn't handle a lot of my shit maturely. I'm amazed I haven't permanently fucked my life up or killed myself, so I recognize that it's time to dedicate my life to rapid growth and progress. Been more consistent with my diet and weight lifting, started getting into Stoic literature, and am taking my destiny into my own hands. Best of luck.
/r/MGTOW26/02/17 03:56 AM
3

Maybe you have misophonia? I can see how crinkling or rubbing sounds can set some people off.
/r/MGTOW26/02/17 03:36 AM
1

If only. She doesn't do porn like other ASMRtists, so they'll be forever left to the imagination.
/r/MGTOW25/02/17 06:04 PM
6

I just realized how hilarious that part was.
/r/MGTOW25/02/17 06:03 PM
10

Probably because she does ASMR videos. I watch them to fall asleep because they're so relaxing, but you'll get the usual crop of commenters in any video who tell the female ASMRtists how amazing they are, want to get married to them, etc. Best not to read the comments on an ASMR videos, to be honest.
/r/MGTOW25/02/17 06:02 PM
11

There is no such thing as zero investment sex. I'm slowly finding this out the hard way. I'm seeing this one girl until she finds an actual boyfriend and her demands for texting and communication are almost as burdensome as if we were in a relationship. I put up with it because I like getting laid with zero effort but good Lord is it a pain in the ass. If I weren't saving for a car I'd probably go back to banging escorts.
/r/MGTOW23/02/17 02:51 PM
9

Good post. As someone who "dated" (really, just slept with) a single mother for a month last December, you could probably do it so long as you enforce strict boundaries and make it clear that you won't be moving in with them, providing for them, or doing anything with or for her children. I had no problem with the one I was seeing because she never wanted to involve me in her kid's life and I would've left if she did. That said, in most cases it's more trouble than it's worth. Also, wrap it up, …
/r/MGTOW20/02/17 04:49 PM
8

Love "yesdears." This should catch on.
/r/MGTOW14/02/17 06:12 PM
2

Don't beat yourself up over it, we all have to learn somehow. I'd say just last year or two years ago I'd stay on a date like that trying to deflect her bad behavior instead of just leaving. In contrast, just over the weekend I stopped responding to a girl who'd asked that I call her to see if I was "worth her time." I told her I don't respond well to being appraised like an object and stopped talking to her. It's all a part of your growth as a MGTOW, man. Since we've still got the prospect of h…
/r/MGTOW14/02/17 06:07 PM
1

How pathetic. I've been on several dates and have almost always paid for myself (the times I didn't were due to youthful mistakes). It is unacceptable in this day and age for any woman to expect a man to cover her bill.
/r/MGTOW21/01/17 05:25 AM
2

Out of curiosity, why do you pick fuck dolls over escorts?
/r/MGTOW14/01/17 05:37 PM
4

Hey man, don't feel bad. God knows I've had my moments of weakness, even recently.
/r/MGTOW06/01/17 04:47 AM
2

God bless you, sir. Welcome to the fold.
/r/MGTOW06/01/17 04:42 AM
1

I know how you feel. This happened to me on Sunday when I was trying to fuck a girl I didn't particularly care for to get past a breakup (more like an FWB thing). Then they try to condescend to you because they think you're beneath them. Should've told her to fuck off and go home. Ah well. It was a humbling moment for me not because of the condescension, but because I realized I have a long way to go to get to where I want to be. I made several mistakes: 1) I shouldn't be meeting up with any gir…
/r/MGTOW05/01/17 06:11 PM
6

Yep. This reminds me of a Blackdragon post that talks about women like this, who want an "alpha" male who will submit to them, and then realize too late that there's no such thing.
/r/MGTOW05/01/17 05:51 PM
8

From the comments: It's completely baffling to me how little sympathy people had for the husband. Is it? Is it really? Because this is exactly what I expected.
/r/MGTOW03/01/17 10:15 PM
3

So I could sit home, get lit, play video games and have sex come over after 8 Best arrangement ever. I had this going with a girl last month and it was great while it lasted. It helped that she was also pleasant to be around in general.
/r/MGTOW03/01/17 09:15 PM
13

Some of these comments are pretty good: I love that I can come on reddit and frequently see these types of posts rationalizing cheating, and always saying that "my SO wasn't paying attention to me, it just sorta happened", and then I can reliably go right over to /r/relationships and find women complaining that their SO is upset that they have a bunch of really close male friends, because nothing would ever happen and he should just trust her. Never change, Reddit!
/r/MGTOW03/01/17 09:10 PM
20

Jesus Christ I need to get off the Internet for the rest of the day.
/r/MGTOW30/12/16 06:11 PM
5

And this is one of the strongest arguments against marriage I can think of. Even if you fit perfectly now, there's no guarantee she'll be the same fifteen, ten, or even five years from now. It seems foolish to bet half your fortune that your girl will be compatible with you for the rest of your life.
/r/MGTOW25/12/16 08:32 PM
1

Thanks for the advice man. Surprisingly I didn't fuck this one up because I had her over last night and this morning. I'll keep what you said in mind for the future.
/r/TheRedPill25/12/16 04:41 AM
2

"Wizard" is sometimes Internet slang for 30+ year-old virgin, so I think he's saying he'll turn 30 on April 2018.
/r/MGTOW24/12/16 09:41 PM
0

Yeah I know a lot of men aren't into short-haired women, and her haircut does look unusually masculine, but everything else about her looks nice so I let it slide.
/r/MGTOW24/12/16 09:26 PM
5

First Polish and first Brazilian girl look cute. Everyone else, unfortunately, looks their age.
/r/MGTOW24/12/16 05:39 PM
5

Yes, and this is the only kind of long-term relationship I will get into. I have such an arrangement with a girl I'm seeing and we have a mutual understanding that it's never going to progress to marriage or cohabitation since we know that doesn't suit either of us. It's awesome and stress free; great sex and she's fun to be around. Also, ironically, she's helped solidify my basic MGTOW mindset. Since I know it can't possibly get any better than this and that most women won't put up with such an…
/r/MGTOW24/12/16 05:32 PM
2

I'm not even alt-right (I lean fairly left socially) and I'm still sad that show got cancelled. It was the only right-leaning comedy show I actually found funny.
/r/MGTOW19/12/16 06:35 PM
1

I don't necessarily knock guys with virginity obsessions but to me it's overrated. Since I'm not seeking relationships I prefer someone with experience and passion (who's also good-looking). For me the quality of the sexual experience is more important than the particulars.
/r/MGTOW19/12/16 06:34 PM
3

Lol I caught looking at porn as a teenager so I can't play the asexual card.
/r/MGTOW19/12/16 06:07 PM
3

Cracked up at that "what's for dinner" line. So far only my mother has said anything about it over Thanksgiving, and I just didn't respond. I'm so vocally anti-marriage that I think she knows that as badly as she wants it, it's not gonna happen.
/r/MGTOW19/12/16 06:01 PM
1

"fuck and chuck" until marriage is viable again So, for the rest of my life, then. Good to know.
/r/MGTOW19/12/16 05:54 PM
12

I hate to be the idiot who says this, but this comment is underrated.
/r/MGTOW19/12/16 05:45 PM
1

Do not feel bad, it happens to the best of us. I recently acted even worse via text with a girl I've been casually seeing, and it'd probably be a miracle if she still wants to keep banging. I don't want to mention the details, that's how bad it was. I'm gonna go no contact for a few days and then ask her on Wednesday or Thursday or probably next week if she's free to come over. I'm still kicking myself for having potentially ruined a good thing.
/r/TheRedPill18/12/16 09:17 PM
19

Yes. Has happened to me more than once.
/r/MGTOW21/10/16 09:57 PM
2

What episode of Parks and Rec is this? You don't have to give me the exact number, just describe the plot.
/r/MGTOW14/10/16 02:45 PM
3

I just noticed that this chick has the same username as a 19 year-old Reddit user who posts nonsense on FeMRADebates about how women should be compensated for being female. Don't harass or troll her, but do go to her profile and read her posts; they're insufferable.
/r/MGTOW13/10/16 02:51 AM
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My parents, actually. I know it's real because I've talked to each of them privately as an adult and though they sometimes have their gripes they speak of each other in glowing terms. She's is an excellent mother and by my dad's account a wonderful wife. Not saying it's not possible to get that now, but the likelihood is so rare and the risks are so high it's not worth it. Marriage wouldn't suit me anyway since I like the relief of coming home and not having to talk to anyone for the rest of the…
/r/MGTOW08/10/16 05:31 PM
10

Yes it was. Especially the fact that you they're not even spheres, that's how two-dimensional their personalities are.
/r/MGTOW02/10/16 11:19 PM
11

Holy shit I laughed my ass off at this.
/r/MGTOW02/10/16 10:37 PM
5

Animal cruelty is illegal.
/r/MGTOW02/10/16 10:33 PM
2

Actually, forget I asked that. I'm not trying to force you to admit to terrible things you did so I can call you a terrible person or downplay your rape, and I realize that's how my post may have come off. I just hope thodd men have recovered from their unfortunate encounters with you as well as you have from your rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/16 05:42 AM
1

This fucking thread lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/16 05:37 AM
1

Normally, sure, but it depends heavily on what "treated badly" encompasses. What exactly did you do?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/16 05:28 AM
1

Thanks, I'm here all night. I'll be signing comedy records after the show.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/16 05:18 AM
1

Sorry to hear that you were raped, but my heart hurts just as much for those men you treated like shit and used as means for getting past your trauma rather than as ends in themselves. As someone who in his early life had trouble with women I would have been absolutely destroyed by someone like you and my anxiety and depression would almost guarantee that I'd never recover from it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/16 05:17 AM
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Me, I guess? I had unprotected sex with two girls I used to see, though I don't know if that counts as high risk. One of them took her birth control regularly (I'd see her take it). The other says she had her tubes tied, though I guess that counts as high risk because I never asked for proof. Hottest girl I've ever been with, though, so no regrets.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/16 05:04 AM
1

How long have you been celibate? What's it like? I'm a hormone-addled twenty-something male so it's hard for me, but that's probably what I'll end up doing once I get bored of banging hookups and escorts.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/16 04:53 AM
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Not nearly enough, apparently.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/16 04:47 AM
2

Tell me about it, that was painfully unfunny. She sounded like a terrible feminist comedian or something.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/16 03:56 AM
1

Whoops, I suppose "quiet" wasn't what I meant. I meant I just don't feel like talking to that person.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/16 01:59 AM
1

Yeah. What's strange about that? People try to chat each other up at clubs too, you know.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/16 01:40 AM
1

I presume you don't know how much of a pain in the ass it is to feel someone's silent expectation that you strike up conversation when you just want to be quiet. Especially when that someone is a girl who's too lazy to be an adult and accept the burden of initiation that comes with being interested in someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/16 01:27 AM
2

Thanks man, I'll check them out.
/r/MGTOW08/09/16 01:35 AM
3

Damn right. Best believe I'm making flash cards over here.
/r/MGTOW08/09/16 01:27 AM
2

This reminds me of the NYTimes Modern Love column where the woman complains that her husband showed no emotion and didn't fight her when she asked him for a separation. A few people on here astutely observed that the husband took the most RP action in that scenario since it would get rid of her as quickly as possible while not giving her an excuse to slap him with a false domestic violence charge on a whim. I'm lazy now but I can link the article if anyone asks. More and more I realize that the …
/r/MGTOW08/09/16 01:21 AM
1

I live in the US too, I just got lucky enough to live near an agency that charges about $180 to $200 an hour for some reason. I have no idea why they don't charge more since they easily could and they have the best-looking roster of girls you'll find at that price point (usually in their early 20s to mid-30s in the 6 to 8 range). Only recently did I realize such low prices aren't common in America.
/r/TheRedPill08/09/16 01:15 AM
2

Yeah, I agree. You could even fuck 20 good-looking women in America for that amount. Even if I were a millionaire $2000 an hour would be too damn high. When I'm fucking an escort I don't value her intelligence or conversational skills that highly since that's not what I'm paying for; I can have stimulating conversations with my friends for free.
/r/TheRedPill05/09/16 07:36 PM
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some shitty, overpriced backpage experiences Heh, I've been there. I've found the trick to avoiding these is to 1) look up reviews for the escort you're interested in, 2) use a service like Preferred411 or 3) use established escort agencies in your area to avoid shitty experiences. As for me I'm in a phase where I drop $150 to $200 an hour for an escort every month or so. I use an agency I like so I'm almost never disappointed. Unfortunately two of the girls I see regularly appear to have left t…
/r/TheRedPill05/09/16 06:56 PM
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John! Great to see you here man, love your videos. Good advice here.
/r/MGTOW04/09/16 11:51 PM
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I read this and I feel much less upset than I would have a month ago. I still have the thought of "fuck women," but it looks like my anger phase is finally fading, thank God. At least the author of this article actually acknowledged her manipulative motives, understood how this was unfair to her husband, and resolved to change her behavior. That sort of introspection and assumption of responsibility is rare in women, especially when they have to acknowledge that their behavior hurts other men.
/r/MGTOW27/08/16 04:49 AM
1

Speaking of Australian music, have you listened to the new Avalanches album, Wildflower? It's great, check it out.
/r/MGTOW08/08/16 02:04 PM
1

What is their nature?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/16 06:16 PM
1

May I ask why you hate women specifically? And why men too?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/16 05:55 PM
1

Are you getting any professional help for your feelings toward women or men?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/16 05:53 PM
1

Whoops, I wasn't clear enough. I meant could you find an instance of someone being called out specifically for virgin-shaming? I doubt that that specifically ever happens on that sub. Sorry for being vague earlier, I don't mean to look like I'm shifting goalposts.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/16 07:54 PM
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We mainly want to be left alone. The fuel behind MGTOW is the recognition that that society's unrealistically positive view of women's moral character and the assignment of greater value to their lives than men means that they have more power to destroy our lives with impunity than most men do—false rape accusations, false domestic violence accusations, alimony, and so on. This is why we avoid situations that put our well-being at the risk of women who can use the legal apparatus or social conne…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/16 07:50 PM
1

Not necessarily. I've been on the MGTOW sub and multiple users talk about the tactics they use to specifically repel and avoid women.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/16 07:25 PM
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However, we try to call out those kinds of people and make them stop. Can you actually point me to an instance of this happening in a TBP thread? I have so much difficulty imagining this that I need proof.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/16 07:00 PM
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Yeah I'm not gonna lie, I went raw with at least two girls I was seeing. I got lucky that the first one took her birth control religiously and the second got her tubes tied.
/r/MGTOW04/08/16 01:55 AM
1

Something similar happened on a recent episode of Mr. Robot. An executive at E-Corp (the series' antagonist) was told by a bunch of hackers to set fire to millions of their own money in public or their system would be bricked.
/r/MGTOW04/08/16 01:53 AM
1

Never said anything about giving up friendships. It's just trashy to flirt with other people while in a relationship, whether you're male or female. It is also a mistake to consider it a communication style, since my objection to flirting in this context is because of the content of the message itself—signaling sexual availability—rather than the way in which that message is conveyed (smiling, playing with your hair, etc.). So I wouldn't consider merely performing actions associated with flirtin…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/16 08:21 PM
1

I don't think it's disloyal to your bf to have lots of male friends and to be somewhat flirty, sometimes Jesus. Commitment truly means nothing these days.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/16 11:50 PM
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if she can't make friends using her personality, she needs to use sexual attraction instead. Wow, I never realized that until now.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/16 11:47 PM
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Yes, thank you. I'm not even a Red Piller and I think this thread was hot garbage.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/16 11:18 PM
1

I read philosophy fairly often and I typically avoid those who seem too ambiguous for their own good. Ambiguity sometimes can't be helped but far too often it's used to disguise unsound arguments and muddled thinking. It's a strike against anyone working in a field whose progress depends on articulating your thoughts as clearly and logically as possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/16 11:13 PM
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Yes, but this outcome is so highly unlikely and pursuing it requires so much risk (half your assets, your freedom) that it is a bad deal that is not worth the effort. You're MGTOW because society has conditioned women to see men as worker ants, not because women are inherently evil. I cannot reasonably expect a lifetime of ethical behavior from a group of people who're not punished for misbehavior, and who've been conditioned to see certain kinds of misbehavior as morally acceptable.
/r/MGTOW27/07/16 02:21 AM
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There certainly are, and they're chastised for it in the MGTOW subreddit. Guys who complain that they want a relationship with a woman but can't get one are told that they've missed the point of MGTOW entirely: that such a relationship entails so much risk, or that female nature is so corrupt, that it's not worth it to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/16 09:13 PM
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Same here. If I genuinely believed like some Red Pillers do that women were inherently morally inferior to men, I would hate them or at least look down on them. I have no idea how more extreme Red Pillers can seek relationships with a group of people who (by their beliefs) seem like such infantile, amoral creatures.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/16 11:50 PM
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And this is pretty much what that "women are for sex" post on TRP touched on the other day. It's not so much that that's all they're good for, by that expecting the girl you're sleeping with to be your best friend and source of support and intellectual stimulation is not fair to her. So just call her when you want to have sex or a good time and lean on other people for your other needs.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/16 08:18 PM
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I recommend it. Having had romantic/sexual experience is an essential part of being a normie. Just say you had a bunch of short-term things and aren't ready for anything serious. Don't say you've had an LTR because some of your nosier friends may try to verify it. I myself have a sparse relationship history and an unusual sexual history but I just exaggerate or make up something vague and no one is the wiser. And don't listen to boogerpill; mocking your friends could make you sound like a try ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/16 09:34 PM
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Of course I wouldn't be in one. I'm just saying I disagree with anyone who thinks sex is enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/16 09:09 PM
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I don't consider sex sufficient compensation for the immense amount of emotional labor and responsibility that comes with the traditional male gender role in a relationship. Considering you could get commitment-free sex from an FWB, a one-night stand, or an escort, I'd consider a guy taking on all that responsibility just for sex to be a chump since he's effectively paying in time and effort for what others have gotten for free.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/16 08:58 PM
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Well, plenty I think. Such as ... ? I don't want to have to handle a weak and sensitive crybaby who routinely whines and even cries about his almighty feelings. Could you give examples of circumstances in which you'd consider a man a weak and sensitive crybaby? Would you consider yourself a crybaby if you reacted similarly to such circumstances?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/16 08:50 PM
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I don't want to dry a man's tears or be having to buck him up, but if he's inclined to dry mine that's great. What's the point of a man entering a relationship with you if he can't rely on you for emotional support?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/16 08:40 PM
1

Yeah this is basically what I think, to the letter.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/16 07:42 PM
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That's a plot twist if I ever saw one. I don't think that women are intrinsically parasitic manipulators, but that society tolerates and facilitates female manipulation and parasitism. You took it one step further and said that women are simply that way in general. I mean I don't care if you're a misogynist, but I'm surprised.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/16 06:02 PM
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I accept that our current culture incentivizes female entitlement and misbehavior, so I don't expect women to be moral, virtuous, or empathetic toward men. Thus, I only expect them to not violate my rights or the rights of others. It saddens me that I can't reasonably expect women to aspire to anything higher, but it is what it is, I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/16 06:44 AM
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No, but if he did, I would understand. Same thing goes if it were a woman whose husband wouldn't put out. Stuff like this illustrates why I wouldn't get married, though. The most powerful ability you have in any interpersonal action is the ability and willingness to walk away at little cost to yourself. The complete absence of enforceable behavioral obligations on the part of women combined with the legally enforced financial obligations on part of the man or higher earner greatly hampers that a…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/16 05:12 AM
1

Yeah, pretty much.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/16 12:13 PM
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You lucky bastard. Sex feels great and all, but if I could take a pill that'd make me asexual and aromantic (but not sex-repulsed or impotent), I would, no question.
/r/MGTOW17/07/16 12:09 PM
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Good shit man, you're an inspiration. I enjoy the occasional hookup or escort but I'd like to work my libido down to the point where I can go a few months without wanting sex. Probably not going to happen but I can do my best.
/r/MGTOW17/07/16 12:06 PM
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*For the first time (usually the most memorable) *With someone I know well *Think is hot and like as a person *Impulsive, immediate (I hate the tension of anticipation. Also, the girls who've made it easy for me to have sex with them as soon as possible are the ones I get along with the most. I also hate having to do the work of escalation. Much of dating is just extra work a man is expected to do, which is why I avoid it.) *Trust (don't want a rapist, tale-bearer, or spermjacker in my life, tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/16 11:45 AM
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stead I have to put on this fake character that I put on in large parties and gatherings. I hate that character. Yes, I hate this too. I think this explains why I usually avoid women I don't know at parties. They want you to listen to their problems, but don't want to hear about yours. When they do, you can tell they are doing it consciously just so that you can't say that the friendship/relationship is one sided in that regard. Any woman wondering why men don't open up to them should read this …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/16 02:53 AM
1

If you have an issue with that, you'll have to take it up with them since I'm not a Red Piller.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/16 12:59 AM
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I just had to comment on this from the OP: I have read in so many places that a woman should have a guy wait three months to make sure that the relationship is real and will last If you're a man who puts up with this, you're probably a chump. Waiting three months for one woman to have sex with you instead of dumping her and finding someone else who will just advertises your lack of options. You're so optionless that you're willing to invest time and effort and plan fancy dates for someone who ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/16 12:49 AM
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Holy fuck 6:19. No respect for this guy at all to say something like that on camera. What the fuck. I know I shouldn't be surprised when wives openly disrespect their husbands but it still gets me every time.
/r/MGTOW15/07/16 09:10 AM
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It seeks to turn leisure time — a precious, dwindling commodity — into billable hours. In that sense, Poppenreiter’s right: her app isn’t really an "Uber for escorts." It’s a TaskRabbit for emotional labor. Leave it to women, ever the victims, to consider getting paid to listen to some guy's problems over a free meal "labor." Tara appreciates Ohlala’s underlying philosophy, but in practice she’s found it to be much more dicey. "They say to you, as a woman you have all the power, you can either a…
/r/MGTOW14/07/16 03:49 PM
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I don't think such a guy respects himself to begin with.
/r/MGTOW14/07/16 03:35 PM
1

Whoa, those Men's Rights links are excellent. I can't believe I've never checked them out before. Thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/16 06:47 AM
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Despite some of the high school-level bullshit advice given in this thread, I'm pleasantly surprised at the number of blue-pill women who sound like mature and empathetic individuals. /u/TheChemist158, /u/MissMaude, /u/artichokess, good shit, guys. If you're truly following your own advice, keep up the good work.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/16 03:15 AM
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Perhaps my point is: I've found empathy to be a useful tool in relating to women, and has helped me to regulate my behavior in a favorable way when approaching and expressing interest. It's helped me to get more dates. Fair enough; that makes sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/16 02:48 AM
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Holy shit this physically hurts me.
/r/MGTOW13/07/16 10:42 PM
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Why? She's already ugly.
/r/MGTOW13/07/16 10:40 PM
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As someone with his own problems to attend to, I don't care about any of that. The same girls who demand empathy for this sort of thing are usually the ones who won't empathize with men being treated like trash unless they can rationalize it as some side effect of female oppression or explain why women have it worse, somehow. Aside from that, your comment is a red herring. The OP is arguing that men are not obligated to empathize with the female experience because women do not empathize with the…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 05:31 PM
3

Depends on your specialty. Radiology's probably not dirty. Urology or OB/GYN, on the other hand...
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 05:31 PM
1

Why do you want to kill yourself?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/16 09:48 AM
2

Whatever single men and women are doing now? Go out with their friends, sleep with men and women they meet at bars/through their social circle or fuck escorts, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/16 07:55 AM
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Ah okay. "A horrible time" was vague. But even then it may not be their fault. You can't really say it's their fault if they've done everything they possibly can.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/16 12:06 AM
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I'm sure it's their fault I'm not. Without additional information, would you say this to a victim of female-on-male* domestic violence? To a man who was financially and emotionally gutted in a divorce? Let's move away from the default assumption that a woman's misbehavior must somehow be a man's fault. *EDIT: accidentally wrote male on female.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/16 11:59 PM
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Yeah, I've seen this too. Barbarossa and Stardusk in particular are generally rational and calm MGTOW who're a pleasure to listen to because they always make you think. I sometimes revisit Bar's angrier videos where he calls women "the enemy" just for kicks, but most of his content is well-reasoned and level-headed. A lot of the MGTOW sub is for people who need to vent, and that's perfectly okay, too. But sometimes you need to step back so you don't get swept up in the fervor of your anger and s…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/16 11:23 PM
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There are men who pay me $800/hr just to hang out, ffs. Christ that's desperate as fuck. Anyone who values a woman's sexless company at $800 an hour must be a very sad man. Money and time would be better spent on therapy and picking up the girls around them. And I say this as someone who sometimes visits escorts and is hardly into pickup.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/16 10:31 PM
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overwhelmingly nonviolent I don't mean to play defense for women (God knows the rest of society already does that way too much), but how is that a bad thing? They have absolutely nothing to offer once you stop wanting to fuck them Amend this to "Once you fuck them, they have very little to offer that you couldn't get anywhere else" and I agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/16 09:07 PM
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That being said, in a world of "All men are liars", "All men cheat" and "Men are scum", there is little incentive to moderate your tone during the anger phase. Truth. That's why I no longer care about women's complaints about misogynistic statements on the Internet. If I can grow up just fine in a culture that views men as potential predators, portrays the abuse of men as funny, and depicts fathers as buffoons, they can survive some small corner of the Internet saying women are shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/16 07:32 PM
3

Fucking gold.
/r/MGTOW11/07/16 08:26 AM
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Yeah, shit like this is why I've started to avoid dates in general. The traditional date itself is structured in a way that facilitates female entitlement, demands male performance, and maximizes male exploitation. I've had pleasant dates with girls who haven't behaved like this, but the very structure of a date ingrains entitlement so deeply into women that after a certain age most of them are corrupted.
/r/MGTOW11/07/16 06:07 AM
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Yeah. A writer named Obsidian on the now-defunct Just Four Guys blog wrote about observing this exact phenomenon in the black community. So many women and so few men above 30 interested in dating that women would often try to tempt the men to meet women at social functions by cooking for them. And they still didn't show up. Could you give me the link to the article you read?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/16 01:40 AM
5

Those are fantastic. Pure entertainment.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/16 07:43 AM
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I have the funds, time, and means to secure an abortion for her, though. I also enthusiastically support reproductive rights. I'd spend whatever it took to avoid becoming a workhorse and ATM for a woman and child.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/16 03:57 AM
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Sure, go ahead. Knowledge of such tactics might dissuade them from carrying unplanned pregnancies to term. By the way, are you alright, questioningwoman? This and that other weird thread you posted today make me think that Red Pillers are getting to you and perhaps interfering with your emotional health. I know this sub can get inflammatory and we don't see eye to eye, but I don't want what goes on here to screw with your well-being. If you're upset or something, take a break from PPD and remind…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/16 12:44 AM
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You don't have to work two jobs to put the kid through daycare because you don't have to have it in the first place. Why would you have the baby to begin with? You could simply abort and have a planned pregnancy with someone else later. Also, I'm glad no one I sleep with ever gets to know my family. I should probably use a fake name and a burner cell phone from now on, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/16 12:30 AM
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Pay for the abortion, and accompany her to it to ensure she goes through with it. If she refuses, I run. Any hardship incurred by the pregnancy would be her responsibility since she would have chosen to have a child despite being offered the choice not to. Likewise, any suffering the child endures would be her moral responsibility since she would have chosen to bring a child into the world despite knowing she'd have inadequate resources to care for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/16 12:22 AM
1

There's some very poignant stories. Could you give an example of a story that stuck with you the most?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/16 12:00 PM
0

falsely accused of rape Boy do I hear that. As I've said elsewhere, someone threatened to falsely accuse me of rape if I refused to give her a ride home after having sex with her. That red pilled me real quick to how easily a woman can use the legal system to destroy a man's life on a whim. I've never forgotten it since.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/16 10:40 AM
1

Completely agree; though this doesn't excuse your torturing him, I won't argue with the fact that you ex's behavior was childish. If he didn't care for emotional intimacy he shouldn't have wasted your time in a relationship. I'm sympathetic to TRP but what I don't fully understand is why they choose to have relationships with a class of people they feel are juvenile and dependent. If they feel that way then why not just stick to casual sex or avoid women altogether. Hell, I don't expect women to…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/16 08:01 AM
1

Whoa, you've said everything I ever thought since finding the Red Pill and going MGTOW. Honestly, most guys are just happy with a girl who'll put out for them occasioanly, doesn't nag them and doesn't ruin their credit score. So true. The other day I went on a nice date for my amusement and was impressed that the chick paid for her own drink without prompting. Then I realized how sad it was that I was impressed by a girl who did something routinely expected of a man. The bar is so low but so man…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/16 06:24 AM
1

wanted some evidence that he cared and I tortured him a bit to get it. How very like a woman to torture a man for such a narcissistic and trivial reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/16 06:07 AM
2

You too, huh? Yeah, when a chick threatens to falsely accuse you of rape in order to manipulate you into giving her a ride (as happened with me) you get red pilled real quick.
/r/MGTOW07/07/16 02:13 AM
1

Shit, man, sorry. Stuff like this always reminds me that women in general aren't worth any investment of effort. Sorry you had to learn the hard way.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/16 01:31 AM
1

This is actually a good point. A lot of us MGTOW may feel antipathy toward women, but we don't advocate abusing them or violating their rights. We've more or less detached ourselves from interpersonal relationships with women as much as possible, and we recognize the danger of interacting with someone who can use the legal apparatus to ruin your life on a whim, so most of us don't even have the ability, let alone the desire, to hurt women without consequence.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/16 12:11 AM
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As everyone else pointed out, this doesn't seem like sufficient evidence to show that the relationship-oriented subreddits have a bias against men, but I've seen enough examples elsewhere to conclude that they do. The vasectomy thing was definitely wrong but I found it funny because I'm mean-spirited like that. You've gotta be cold to deceive your wife into wasting her most fertile years on you. But whatever, she'll live.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/16 11:54 PM
2

Yeah, I agree with all that. Solid advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/16 05:10 AM
1

Man I love Barbarossa. By far the most intelligent and clear-headed voice of the MGTOW community.
/r/MGTOW06/07/16 12:18 AM
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Why do you think we would care? I mean, good for you. As long as you don't marry, live with her, or do anything that gives her leverage to exploit you or ruin your life, more power to you. And be willing to walk away if she starts making unreasonable demands that interfere with your own pleasure or self-actualization. I'm not sure what else you want us to say.
/r/MGTOW06/07/16 12:07 AM
3

What would you say are the most important lessons you learned from your LTRs (other than the importance of lifting)?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/16 10:24 PM
1

As someone who's experienced "I want to fuck you so bad" sex several times to the point where I settle for nothing less (I remember just getting up and leaving once after I realized a girl wasn't into it), this makes me sad for all the men out there. I think that's why stories posted on Reddit about men complaining about their wives' lack of enthusiasm compares to when she was with her exes hit home for me: not only is it a uniquely male fear, but if my circumstances were even slightly different…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/16 10:30 PM
1

Lol "only 25 percent." What great odds. Makes me want to rush to the altar.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/16 10:00 PM
8

Like the whole mass shooting thing - one crazy person supposedly makes us all murderers, but being the majority of first responders and emergency services? Even victims? Nah, doesn't count. Someone made a similar point on FemRADebates the other day. Roughly, he said that he found it suspicious that feminists want to discuss "toxic masculinity" in tragedies like these, as if society considers gunning people down an acceptable expression of masculinity, but never wants to discuss the socially-cond…
/r/MGTOW22/06/16 08:33 PM
9

to me it seems he has a great sense of humor, since this reads less like a serious list than a parody of a woman's typical compendium of deal breakers.
/r/MGTOW19/06/16 02:31 PM
1

1.83 hostile 0.33 benevolent Surprised the hostile part isn't higher, not because I'm actually hostile toward women, but because treating them as you would men is typically interpreted as such. But whatever, I'll take it.
/r/MGTOW18/06/16 09:37 PM
1

Co-signed. Everyone go see this movie as soon as possible. That is all.
/r/MGTOW14/06/16 11:04 PM
2

I'm reminded of the Today I Fucked Up post where a guy talked about how his little sister ruined his life by falsely accusing him of molesting her. I'm on mobile so I can't find it now but someone posted a thread about it on this subreddit a few weeks ago.
/r/MGTOW09/06/16 02:07 AM
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Yeah, I'm impressed that she took full responsibility for her situation instead of blaming men in general or recasting her shallowness as an odyssey of self-discovery, which is what women in articles like this usually do.
/r/MGTOW09/06/16 12:32 AM
3

Anyone catch that line about how she began to resent him for taking a lower-status job than hers? I'm at the point where I'm no longer surprised when a woman behaves exactly like the Red Pill predicts. When I read that I was like "Yeah, saw that coming."
/r/MGTOW09/06/16 12:31 AM
3

Yeah, I like playing around with other people's kids (under the supervision of their parents, of course; don't want some kid to falsely accuse me of child molestation on a whim) because it gives you all the fun parts of having kids without all the negatives. How much fun the kid is depends on how well they behave. Some are really well mannered and courteous while others are little shits.
/r/MGTOW08/06/16 03:24 PM
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I'll openly admit that this kind of thing would devastate me. Agreed. If I were OP I wouldn't even talk to the woman. I'd get a hold of the fiancé and tell him immediately so that he himself can decide whether to break up with her. I take something like this personally because, as MGTOW as I am, if I were the kind of person who assumed that women in general are virtuous and considerate, this could easily have been me. Fuck this woman for the fact that she's about to steal time from this guy and …
/r/MGTOW08/06/16 04:37 AM
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To paraphrase a fantastic comment I saw on here yesterday, this article illustrates why complaining you aren't Chad completely misses the point. The point of MGTOW isn't to bitch about girls who won't pay attention to you, but understanding why their attention doesn't matter in the first place: because there's no win state for a man in a relationship. The amount of socially supported selfishness and irresponsibility you'd have to put up with from a woman means that even if you're Chad, you still…
/r/MGTOW01/06/16 02:49 PM
1

As /u/jebthecybersoldier said, it's a reference to the 5 stages of grief, particularly a post made on TRP that applies that concept to "Red Pill" realizations but I'd also applicable to MGTOW. I don't know if cross-linking is allowed so here's the thread title: "The Five Stages of Red Pill, and how to read r/TRP textposts."
/r/MGTOW26/05/16 11:26 PM
3

Excellent post. I get the importance of anger-phase posts on this sub (hell, I'm in the middle of the anger phase myself), but I'd love to see more analysis on here as well. And you have it exactly right. Wanton selfishness is easier when you're fully convinced that it's necessary for your spiritual development.
/r/MGTOW26/05/16 06:48 PM
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It is frightening that they can so casually, openly discuss the importance of turning men into utilities for women and children without understanding how that sort of dehumanization would drive men away from committing to begin with. Imagine if they cited someone who called it a "challenge" to keep women from wasting their reproductive years on education and get them to have children while they're most fertile. Shit like this is what flares up my anger phase. It's confirmation that if you're a m…
/r/MGTOW25/05/16 11:26 PM
15

I rolled my eyes hard at that sentence, among several others. Only women could get away with painting themselves as victims of actions they freely consented to with the full knowledge of the high likelihood of disappointment. A chick complaining that she feels compelled to hook up gets no sympathy from me since no one's forcing her to do so. Also note how the article subtly shames men into traditional gender roles when it discusses casual sex despite its emphasis on the importance of men transce…
/r/MGTOW25/05/16 11:19 PM
1

Good, don't. Unless you're extremely handsome you're wasting your time. My experience is that women online are so deluged with options that a marginally attractive man will quickly be flaked on because it only takes her a matter of hours to find someone better. Got some sex off of Tindee but it was almost not worth the effort.
/r/MGTOW25/05/16 06:52 AM
6

Both men and women are equally likely to break up via text, but it seems only women are clueless enough to think this is respectable and mature, selfish enough to demand your friendship afterwards, and solipsistic enough to paint themselves as the victim. It still angers me that any woman I date will show less kindness, empathy, and consideration for me than I would her (yeah, I'm still going through my anger phase). This is the selfish and morally corrupt trash the modern man has to deal with i…
/r/TheRedPill25/05/16 06:34 AM
2

Holy shit I laughed way too hard at this.
/r/MGTOW24/05/16 02:33 AM
7

Don't be too hard on him, he might be a teenager.
/r/MGTOW24/05/16 02:05 AM
19

A few days later, I came across another guy on the app whose profile read, “Please know that our first meeting will be over coffee or tea only.” Huh? Coffee or tea for a first date should be so standard that this is left unsaid. Any woman who pitches a fit over such reasonable terms is a gold digger, because she sure as hell doesn't plan on paying her half for that expensive dinner date she's pressuring you into.
/r/MGTOW24/05/16 01:56 AM
6

Then why do monogamous relationships and marriages require both party's consent? What does self value matter if value is subjective and the woman still needs to be able to sell herself? That's a great point. It's all well and good to value yourself, but success in dating means making an objective assessment of your value. She might think she's worth a second date or a callback or a relationship, but if she's not getting any of those after several tries she should have the self-awareness to consi…
/r/MGTOW24/05/16 01:50 AM
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What's that saying again? Ah, yes: "When you're accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression."
/r/MGTOW24/05/16 01:27 AM
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I was going to comment but you just said everything I was about to say better than I ever could. Nicely done.
/r/MGTOW24/05/16 01:20 AM
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Wow, pathetic beyond words. That poor wife. This is one of the few times on this sub where I'll actually sympathize with a woman.
/r/MGTOW22/05/16 11:09 PM
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Haha yeah, girls who say "whoever asks pays" can get fucked. They already know that societal pressure is on the guy to ask, so the rule is just their way of justifying an unequal dynamic by disguising it as equality.
/r/MGTOW22/05/16 07:14 AM
2

Yeah, "beta" isn't an accurate term to describe this guy since someone who's truly beta would care enough to supplicate to this woman. The essence of MGTOW is doing what you want without caring about female approval, which this guy has down pat.
/r/MGTOW21/05/16 06:11 PM
1

Minus a few spelling errors that even a native speaker in a hurry would have made, it's very good for a forum post. In fact I thought English was your first language until I read your edit.
/r/MGTOW21/05/16 04:45 PM
1

That's my perspective on it, too. That's why I disagree with some of the well-meaning posters who say MGTOW is about self-improvement and discipline and hard work. Those are noble ideals to aspire to, but part of being MGTOW is understanding that it's perfectly okay to not care about any of that stuff, so long as you can be happy without it.
/r/MGTOW13/05/16 11:12 PM
2

Love your username. Words to live by.
/r/TheRedPill13/05/16 12:15 AM
3

Yes!
/r/MGTOW21/04/16 02:48 AM
2

Yeah. Strike implies men would return to being good little workhorses if certain conditions are met. For a lot of men that's simply not true.
/r/MGTOW20/04/16 06:02 AM
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Upvoted just because it's Rollo. I don't care anymore about using RP principles to chase women but I'm grateful to him for opening my eyes to how the game is played—and helping me realize I want no part of it.
/r/MGTOW20/04/16 04:59 AM
3

As far as I know nothing in MGTOW forbids sex, just marriage and (maybe?) substantive relationships. Keep doing it if it makes you happy.
/r/MGTOW20/04/16 04:27 AM
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No hate here. Congratulations on hitting the jackpot. By hitting the jackpot, I don't mean you've found a unicorn, but provided cohabitation isn't treated as common-law marriage where you live, you've found a way to enjoy all the benefits of a relationship with a woman with almost none of the risks. She's infertile so she can't trick you into pregnancy (probably a rare occurrence, but still), you're not married so she can't gut you in a divorce, she splits the costs of everything, and you don't …
/r/MGTOW20/04/16 12:49 AM
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This right here. Where do you find these chicks, OP? Not to victim blame because you're not responsible for any of their actions, but is there something you were doing that attracted that type? I'm MGTOW but most women I know personally have been respectful and kind and are nowhere near that level of crazy.
/r/MGTOW15/04/16 05:26 AM
2

Why isn't it enjoyable? I personally won't upend my life for it but I'll take it if it's good, comes my way, and doesn't require much effort.
/r/MGTOW04/04/16 09:59 PM
4

Funny how whenever you feel like going back to the plantation you 1) read stuff like this, and 2) read the comments from other women justifying her behavior. NAWALT might be true, but the fact is that so many women are like this that the effort required to find women who aren't is just not worth it. Also, get a load of the simp in the comments section who's actually dating this chick and thinks she wouldn't defraud him like she did the others: Maybe nobody will believe me, (and i don't give a sh…
/r/MGTOW03/04/16 01:10 AM
6

Yep. I'm in my mid-twenties and have never married so I haven't made any life-altering mistakes in the pursuit of women. I have my reservations about the MGTOW community but it was only after joining and being introduced to MRA stuff did I begin to realize how many bullets I've dodged.
/r/MGTOW03/04/16 12:49 AM
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Married men are not MGTOW and don't give me that 'different strokes for different folks' bullshit. Would you at least say that a married man can be a "MGTOW ally" or supportive of MGTOW?
/r/MGTOW03/04/16 12:43 AM
6

All in all, actively trying to date is not worth the time. It took me a while to realize this but I'm finally there.
/r/MGTOW03/04/16 12:41 AM
1

BTFO = blown the fuck out, i.e. the groups who make that "it's your fault" argument are blown out by contradictory evidence.
/r/MGTOW14/03/16 07:24 AM
6

secumn I laughed. You mean "succumb."
/r/TheRedPill01/08/15 12:51 AM
4

And to add to /u/Requi3m 's comment, why are you still with this girl? She has zero self esteem, which makes it likelier she'll cheat on you; she doesn't measure up to you, which means you can get a better deal elsewhere; and most importantly, she's not that attracted to you (if she were, you'd know). That last part means that when she encounters someone she thinks is hotter than you, she'll either dump you or cheat on you if she gets the chance. And even if she doesn't, if you discover in her p…
/r/TheRedPill01/08/15 12:45 AM
3

You should go over to the relationships subreddit and check out the version of the thread there. The top comments there are even worse.
/r/TheRedPill28/07/15 02:20 AM
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They're also skipping over the fact that she says she was "a lot more vocal than [she is] with [her] husband" because Mark was better endowed. In other words, even if she were coerced into every sex act on the tape (highly unlikely), she still enjoyed coerced sex with someone who didn't care about her than sex with someone who actually loves her. The marriage is dead and he should get out now.
/r/TheRedPill28/07/15 02:17 AM
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Make sure you get a high quality one because escorts can be very bad or amazing. Seconding this. I've had experiences with escorts that made me feel like I was floating for days afterward, and I've had experiences where I regretted the time and effort spent. Nearly all my bad experiences were due to ill-advised bargain hunting. You don't have to find a $600/hr girl or pay for an overnight stay or anything, but do not skimp on the cost, especially not for the first time. If all the quality girls …
/r/TheRedPill19/06/15 03:52 AM
1

If you want I'll PM you some info.
/r/TheRedPill23/02/15 06:39 AM
2

Chinese girls are different from Japanese girls, who are both different from Viet girls. Know what you're getting yourself into. Interesting. Can you offer your perspective on this? How are they different?
/r/TheRedPill23/02/15 06:36 AM
1

It seems to vary from feminist to feminist. Some feminists (especially feminist sex workers) argue that prostitution should be legal, while others (like Julie Bindel and Andrea Dworkin) have argued that it is fundamentally exploitative and should be banned.
/r/TheRedPill23/02/15 06:03 AM
2

Do not visit a Backpage girl unless she's reviewed on some other website, preferably by several clients. Without reviews it's very hard to tell which girls accurately represent themselves, give good service, are trying to scam you, or are trying to arrest you. I've never been to eccie.net but looking it over it seems like a good place to start; any decent review board or reputable escort agency is good, really.
/r/TheRedPill23/02/15 05:46 AM
1

Which is why you look up an escort on a review board before setting up an appointment with her. That way you know whether she has sex with her clients or not.
/r/TheRedPill23/02/15 05:40 AM
2

Another indispensable resource is escort review boards, which you can Google. Stick to escorts with clear pictures and lots (say at least 10) of reviews because they are most likely to be legit, to like their jobs, and give great service. It's much better than trawling through pages of deceptive Backpage posts, which you should never do under any circumstances. As for other safety issues, I personally prefer outcalls (she comes to you, though it costs a little more) with highly reviewed escorts …
/r/TheRedPill23/02/15 05:37 AM
1

I might get flak for this, but have you considered visiting an escort once in a while? The time and effort you save + the skill and discretion justify the cost, especially if you're not looking for a relationship and have more important things to do than pick up women.
/r/TheRedPill04/02/15 06:15 PM
1

I can only squat 110. Thanks for reminding me I need to get back on my 5x5 routine.
/r/TheRedPill26/11/14 06:45 AM
2

I won't pretend I've ever been in your situation, but it seems that in complaining about the problem you've hit upon a solution: For fuck's sake, I hear the words "marriage" and "children" too fucking much for me to not go insane! ... Going full celibate is more dignified than this! I am not going to have children anyways (because why bring humans with the same terrible genes to go through the same shit?). If you don't want to have children, I see no benefit to marriage that you can't get while …
/r/TheRedPill26/11/14 05:35 AM
1

I'm black and finding someone without restrictions hasn't been a problem for me. What sites are you looking for escorts on?
/r/TheRedPill14/11/14 07:07 AM
1

Your age will actual hinder you. I'm late 20s and it hinders me. We are about 20-25 years younger then their average clients. Interesting that you say that. I'm in my early 20s but aside from the few women who won't take men under, say, 30, my age hasn't hindered me at all.
/r/TheRedPill14/11/14 06:40 AM
2

Haven't used this account in months but broke it out to respond to you. This is gonna be a bit long. Go to theeroticreview.com and look for escorts in your area. Some require verification, which means giving either a reference (an escort you've seen before) or your personal information to another site (usually preferred411) for screening. In the second case, you'd usually open an account at preferred411.com and pay around $129 a year for them to screen you and maintain your account. Stick to rev…
/r/TheRedPill14/11/14 06:38 AM
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True. Some people do it not because they can't attract a woman, but precisely because they have lots of money and only want good sex, so a few hundred (or thousand) dollars is a lower cost to them than the time and effort required to find and keep a woman who will fuck them for free. If a rich, handsome executive's choice is between "Pay an escort for good sex," where his effort has a guaranteed reward, and "Spend several hours of my free time chasing girls in hopes of getting sex," where the op…
/r/TheRedPill10/10/14 02:42 AM
3

Near the end of the article she says some of her escort friends have transitioned to other, legal professions, but have trouble adjusting to the lower pay. One of her friends is so attracted to the money that she escorts on the side in addition to her regular job; she makes lots of cash, but she's working herself to death and is miserable because she can't let her previous lifestyle go.
/r/TheRedPill10/10/14 12:46 AM
2

For instance what's bugging me is that my gf found out a little while ago that one of her friends has been trying to hook up with her for awhile. And she still wants to hang out with him (which I don't understand, she now knows that he wants her and she still thinks they should hang out?). She did nothing, she didn't go looking for men and now there's someone in her life is like hey yo, let me do everything I can to impress you and etc and win you over. I can't believe no one other than the lett…
/r/TheRedPill27/06/14 12:44 AM
2

There's already a thread on /r/mensrights with counter-arguments in the comments.
/r/TheRedPill03/06/14 04:17 PM
2

Broke out this account just to say that something similar happened to me on Monday. Ate at a restaurant and was surprised that the two cashiers at the counter were so friendly. It became clear to me that one of them, who was trying to catch my attention when I finished my meal, wanted me to ask her out, and I didn't because I doubted myself even when the IOIs were clear. It probably is due to the fact that I don't put much effort into looking good and I don't lift (yet), so I'm still genuinely s…
/r/TheRedPill21/05/14 08:57 PM
3

There'd always be the requisite preamble about how bad PUA is ...and then the meat of the article which would be about topics indistinguishable from inner game and cold approach, (the two irreducible elements of the PUA industry today) just worded with Oprah-ready terminology. Yep. The same is true of Dr. Nerd Love, who himself admits that his use of PUA allowed him to have a lot of sex. Most of his advice is just PUA material with a feminist spin (and without some of the disturbing views of, sa…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/14 03:46 PM
2

Whoa, this is the first time I've seen this subreddit. I'm reading their "Playette FAQ" and it's very interesting to see how the other half thinks.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/14 03:05 PM
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