TheRedArchive

~ archived since 2018 ~

fondueguy Archive

View 11 posts and 4,906 comments by fondueguy on TheRedPill subreddit and various other subreddits related to The Red Pill community.
Search in:
In subreddits:
More
Filter by year/month:
Upvotes Title Category Author Subreddit Date (UTC)
308

fondueguy/r/MensRights30/03/12 07:43 AM
118

fondueguy/r/MensRights05/01/12 04:41 PM
32

fondueguy/r/MensRights08/12/11 09:49 PM
26

fondueguy/r/MensRights21/01/13 01:13 PM
22

fondueguy/r/MensRights06/12/11 04:55 AM
13

fondueguy/r/MensRights07/10/12 05:18 PM
12

fondueguy/r/MensRights26/09/12 09:12 AM
11

fondueguy/r/MensRights29/12/11 06:59 AM
6

fondueguy/r/MensRights30/01/12 10:57 PM
6

fondueguy/r/MensRights01/11/11 12:05 AM
3

fondueguy/r/MensRights15/02/12 03:03 AM
Showing the 1,000 most recent of 4,906 comments.
Upvotes Comment on Subreddit Date (UTC)
8

Make her know that it doesn't matter if you can take a punch A punch to the throat hurts and threatens a man like it does a woman. Same with being pushed down the stairs.
/r/MensRights10/03/13 09:42 AM
1

Please don't make it personal. Apart from bias you tailored you're argument to your situation. You say your wife gets plenty of time with the kids? My uncle doesn't get squat and is hugely stressed out, to the point of personality change, while his wide refuses to work. I should clarify myself. I should not try to set rigid rules. If your situation works, that's great. What I really don't want is for the stay at home mom to be the default. That is synonymous with an underfathered youth and a low…
/r/MensRights10/03/13 08:28 AM
1

And that's far more damaging than not seeing you father for 40 hours a week. First of all, that's a horrible choice for men which precludes men getting real time with their kids. Secondly, I don't believe it one bit. I think kids would be better off with divorced parents but getting to see their father 40 hours a week, than "together" (irony) parents where the father works all day. I don't see how you think a stay at home mom and a title can replace time with the father. That's a sad state for f…
/r/MensRights10/03/13 07:54 AM
1

The growth applies to the individual too, but that's besides the point. If you're saying what I think you saying, I completely agree. Money is just a means to an end. A strong family is far more important than having more stuff to buy. So let's look at how work affects the family. If women don't work, the entire burden is shifted to men. Then men have to work, miss their kids, and the kids end up with a huge amount of maternal influence. No way can that be good for men or balanced for the family…
/r/MensRights10/03/13 05:01 AM
-1

So your saying that men's earning powers are going to men far more than they used to. That's a plus...
/r/MensRights10/03/13 12:02 AM
1

More people working boosts the economy. So in that analogy, more working women allows for more shops to open offering more jobs and creating more product => growth.
/r/MensRights10/03/13 12:00 AM
1

while women are being misled that their holy grail is to earn the same as men What does that say about men?!? We should rephrase the above to say that the holy frail for men is that women put in as much work as the men, thereby allowing men some free time.
/r/MensRights09/03/13 11:55 PM
1

The last two are simply a double standard. The first one is mostly right unless you put enough weight on the female type advances. I know women get offended by the advances other women make on their man...
/r/MensRights04/03/13 06:24 PM
4

Add creep to the men who dress (errr, talk) like sluts. There are various studies that show that people that are promiscuous are viewed equally negatively by both men and women. Im going to search that. If true, that's pretty hard on men. I'm sure a lack of sex makes men look worse too.
/r/MensRights04/03/13 06:20 PM
9

The worst of it is the way "for the children" is manipulated. Child support for over 100k per year is "for the kids", but wait, the mother is trusted with all that money and no accounting that it actually goes to the kids! We attach a huge profit to divorce, ie the break up of a home, and put full faith that the one initiating the divorce will spend for the kids. Allegations of abuse towards the mother can be used as leverage to get the kids, on top of the advantage mothers already have in famil…
/r/MensRights23/02/13 07:56 AM
1

Yes, I will keep framing this forced marriage Bullshit as such. Great analogy!!!
/r/MensRights12/02/13 01:25 AM
3

It's pathetically similar to religious rule.
/r/MensRights10/02/13 11:32 AM
3

Why would the government have any fucking business in defining an adult relationship?
/r/MensRights10/02/13 11:31 AM
7

This is forced marriage! Funny how people talk as if its only something that happens to women in "backwards" countries.
/r/MensRights10/02/13 11:30 AM
5

User comment, 'Judge Thomas said the three boys had made a full recovery 'from what could have been extraordinarily traumatic experiences'. ' What a crass statement given how we know that people can suffer decades later from child sex abuse. Sack this judge. dust , manchester, United Kingdom, 29/1/2013 22:37 Seriously, anybody from the UK want to protest this judge or petition his removal; I think that's a great way to get change. This judge utterly failed to protect those boys and the justice s…
/r/MensRights30/01/13 12:30 PM
1

I think this is a reflection of the tennis world in general. There's baffoons like Serena or Sharapova criticizing males who take issue with pay normalizing (equal pay) while they say nothing against crap like this.
/r/MensRights23/01/13 03:03 PM
6

Well, this was more of a health issue. I don't think playing in extreme heat, with no adjustments, really improves the competition.
/r/MensRights21/01/13 06:09 PM
10

Oh ya, here's a male player on an iv drip after winning his match, http://au.sports.yahoo.com/news/article/-/15863543/player-tweets-picture-of-himself-hooked-up-to-a-drip/
/r/MensRights21/01/13 01:15 PM
1

Thinking (which should be enough) and acting... Reading on tips, spending hours on looks, and generally creating all the necessary situations. What else is there? Women put in the effort for what amounts to non commited relationships and fucking.
/r/MensRights21/01/13 12:13 PM
1

Look at the change in the media over the last decades and how much of that is influenced by women. Magazines and their short term sexual advise. All the teen dramas that are about sex. Even the family channel has very sexualized dramas for an audience I presume to be girls. Then there's all the time the media and women thinking about looking good and getting sexual attention. Honestly, I don't even think guys obsess around sexuality as much.
/r/MensRights20/01/13 04:44 PM
1

Not even. According to the media, when a woman wants sex the man has already been awaiting for it. In fact, whenever a woman decides she wants sex she gets it. There's little hint from the media and, more importantly, from culture in general the the girlfriend could care more about sex than the boyfriend. Or that the average red blooded American male might be too tired for sex... Nope, the guy is supposed to be thrilled when his wife is in the mood. But the idea that men always want the sexual a…
/r/MensRights20/01/13 04:34 PM
1

No, based of frequency of sexual acts (e.g., masturbation), for example. That's not sex nor is it very telling. There are self image issues when it comes to masturbation. There can be different motives for sex vs masturbation with the former craving attention and touch and the latter craving to touch. There's also the simplicity of orgasm for men that matter a lot more in masterbation.
/r/MensRights20/01/13 03:46 PM
1

But women aren't long term... Look at how often they end marriages or separate a father from his kids. They do fuck around, literally and metaphorically.
/r/MensRights20/01/13 03:40 PM
1

... How would you even know?
/r/MensRights20/01/13 03:38 PM
1

At least two of the women in my family outright refuse to work, against their husband's wishes... How the hell does that even happen?!? Like seriously, how do they get away with it? If my "partner" decided not to pull her share I would not then turn around and support her, which would be necessary for her plan to work... Even the other members of my family who know about this situation don't outright condemn it. Instead talk about it as just a relationship problem (that needs to be worked out be…
/r/MensRights20/01/13 03:37 PM
6

Based on what they think of themselves? Sure. I've seen plenty of studies contradicting the idea that women have lower sex drive. I've also seen eye tracking studies which measures women's subconscious attention towards sex as being more persistent than men's. I think the biggest problem in defining men and women's sex drive is the perspective people take. A guy who pays for a nice car is defacto buying sex, but a woman who buys shitloads of beauty products is not (?) buying sex... Many ancient …
/r/MensRights17/01/13 05:48 PM
4

I think it is changing. I myself naturally view stay at home dads as special and well qualified because... It's very much a chosen affair between a couple. The stay at home mom may be chosen or it may just be simple routine...
/r/MensRights17/01/13 05:31 PM
12

Weird as in awesome? Sure
/r/MensRights17/01/13 05:22 PM
1

They don't have a lower sex drive. And as for the marketplace, there is something screwed up when men are expected to take more risks in starting a relationship (apparently because men are more short term thinkers) when men are the ones who initiate divorce less and tend to take divorce worse. At this time, men are the ones who take a greater risk in a long term relationship, thus the men should be more choosy.
/r/MensRights17/01/13 05:20 PM
4

All it would take is more men like you - supply and demand...
/r/MensRights17/01/13 05:11 PM
1

Define, "the situation"
/r/MensRights17/01/13 05:10 PM
1

women have used it to shame those who are naturally skinny, are struggling with eating disorders, etc. There's certainly exclusion but I didn't think it was exclusion from gender.
/r/MensRights05/01/13 08:43 PM
2

Ya, I did think of that, along with slut and other attempts of behavioral control. It's just more overt for men imo.
/r/MensRights05/01/13 08:37 PM
3

You never hear the term, real women or woman up.
/r/MensRights05/01/13 05:54 PM
2

Prostitution is rape, lmao...
/r/MensRights05/01/13 05:53 PM
9

Real women don't charge for sex.
/r/MensRights05/01/13 05:52 PM
2

No. Some people actually believe it is the mothers right to kill her child because he/she is inside her body. This is where "my body, my choice", as some absolute right, comes into play. That doesn't mean people who are pro abortion are necessarily pro murder. Some (most?) of the pro abortion people keep the focus of the abortion argument on when the fetus becomes a human being with rights, not where said transition happens. In short, there are actually people who believe what you suspected.
/r/MensRights05/01/13 05:25 PM
2

Here's a few surprising on men and their marriage obligation. http://hbdchick.wordpress.com/2012/08/25/mating-patterns-in-baltic-populations/ (The guy has to marry his brother's wife if the brother dies, ie her insurance.) http://www.thesmartset.com/article/article08220701.aspx (Women can divorce men for not "getting it up", at a time when divorce was restricted for both genders. The guy would actually be taken to court and forced to perform...)
/r/MensRights05/01/13 05:18 PM
1

Geeze, notice how many articles directly criticized the double standard for what it was. I don't even see that kind of directness in the papers today if that type of double standard is even mentioned. Wtf happened? Also, The Port Huron, Mich., TIMES HERALD, feel that “one may have unlimited sympathy for the wife who kills the woman who steals) her husband, and may find plenty of excuses for the man who shoots his friend for violating the honor of his wife, but (here is considerable question whet…
/r/MensRights05/01/13 04:58 PM
1

You were the catalyst, great job!!! "No, <name>, we need to, as educators, make sure that no gender is being overrepresented in any academic field." The very first argument i would have made is that girls are "over represented" in college; considering the importance of this gap, we should be encouraging guys to go to college by using subject they like! Next time your in school, try to get a sense of what people want to do. The best thing is to get the guys in that mit lecture too. If that won't …
/r/MensRights05/01/13 02:20 AM
1

True, but she knows he* won't take it. Hopefully she gets the message...
/r/MensRights28/12/12 08:42 PM
6

As in, that the gender differences regarding sex are enough that a sexist age-of-consent law is allowed. This part I don't understand. Girls hit puberty and mature faster than boys. How can good the same age as boys need consent protection more than boys.
/r/MensRights28/12/12 05:56 PM
1

I understand that not every threat has to be answered, but besides personal justification, he did actually teach her a lesson, "It's not ok to hit guys".
/r/MensRights28/12/12 05:50 PM
1

Being slapped is literally a physical offense. He most certainly can stop someone from hitting him physically. It is also emotionally threatening when someone invades your physical space/right doing the lighter version of harming you. Most people would feel threatened if you slap them. Try it on a guy. And why do you say there was no threat to him? You don't think she could hit harder? Give him a bloody nose? Kick him in the groin? How do you know she doesn't do more serious violence?
/r/MensRights28/12/12 05:48 PM
5

We must find a way to disentangle ourselves from the lethal gender narratives that lead men to violence, that lead men to kill women they seek to control Agreed, we need to stop the gender narrative whereby a males life is worth less than a woman's. We need to stop focusing on the protection and support for women over men, acting as if men themselves don't have problems that need to be addressed. We need to actually help males too, not neglect their needs!
/r/MensRights28/12/12 03:26 PM
1

Badass!!!
/r/MensRights15/12/12 12:57 AM
6

That's funny, I've had female friends try to get me drunk in order to... But since I'm responsible, I exerted my will power while being drunk and horny.
/r/MensRights12/12/12 08:30 AM
3

trust your gut... That's fine tor safety but it doesn't mean crap for the truth. Peoples gut feelings generally tell them certain races and gender are their biggest immediate threat, when its based on total or partial falsehoods. Peoples gut also tells them that good looking people are good...
/r/MensRights12/12/12 08:27 AM
1

By monopolizing sexual victimhood for women and children (counties adds that exclude men)? By exaggerating the bad from men and minimizing the bad from women, to further reinforce the idea that we only need to worry about women? By asking courts to go easy on convicted women? By selectively taking away women's responsibility for bad things all across the board. By saying a male victim requires feminism to improve the situation? Be more specific! Jk
/r/MensRights11/12/12 05:20 PM
0

Can you show me how it's gender neutral? I have doubts.
/r/MensRights11/12/12 05:11 PM
3

The abuser is the abuser and sympathizing with the abusers motives encourages bad behavior.
/r/MensRights11/12/12 05:06 PM
1

I saw the same as you but, they called the aggressive (rapist?) insecure. WTF! I never hear that shit for male predators.
/r/MensRights11/12/12 05:03 PM
2

People never seem to realize that most danger comes from those they know, very often including women.
/r/MensRights11/12/12 04:52 PM
5

wasn't really criticizing you. I just wanted to point out the perspective behind the term, benevolent sexism. Isn't it ironic that oppression towards men would be called benevolent sexism. In other words, we take the viewpoint of how women are being affected when its men who are the actual victims of this horrible sexism. I would never think to call it benevolent, any more than I would call slavery a form of benevolent racism. TL;DR The very usage of "benevolent sexism" casts men as a secondary …
/r/MensRights11/12/12 04:44 PM
1

If I were capable in the situation, I agree. I believe the little life is worth protecting. The annoying part is the women who expect that, but also believe in abortion.
/r/MensRights11/12/12 04:34 PM
5

Which includes men. A father would much rather save his son than some random woman.
/r/MensRights11/12/12 04:29 PM
2

benevolent sexism! Only for women... But they aren't the victims here. This is one of the worst forms of sexism, to devalue the lives of the lesser class.
/r/MensRights11/12/12 04:28 PM
2

I'm seeing a LOT of top rated comments on YouTube that actually defend men. Especially the bus driver incident. I think our message has some common sense appeal, even if people's attachments get in the way.
/r/MensRights11/12/12 04:23 PM
-1

No, we know a huge part of that is socially engineered. In other words, we have been told in so many ways that a woman's life is more valuable than a man's. Evolution did not engineer young men to sacrifice themselves for old women, yet that is what happens with "women and children first". The thing is right now its "probably" not needed anymore, and its just a unnecessary tradition that stuck. Can't justify how it was ever needed. BTW, old women have the least reproductive value.
/r/MensRights11/12/12 04:19 PM
4

It's pathetic because women are a minority of victims in the big picture. We just decide to focus on extra-gender violence and then suppose women are the main victims. We should then de-gender suicide, murder victims, and assault victims because men are a clear majority.
/r/MensRights09/11/12 02:20 AM
3

How is it that the idea of a woman hurting a man is a joke until we're talking about self defense? I mean it's self defense... when the confrontation is unplanned and the victim is at a huge disadvantage! But somehow women can't hurt men when they are the aggressors.
/r/MensRights09/11/12 02:13 AM
0

Fyi, put the whole thing on YouTube or it didn't happen.
/r/MensRights09/11/12 01:50 AM
7

They are still accredited and for this offense I'd say it might get her.
/r/MensRights09/11/12 01:40 AM
1

This!!!
/r/MensRights09/11/12 01:39 AM
1

Report her to whoever accredited her. That is psychological abuse and is a risk to your safety.
/r/MensRights09/11/12 01:34 AM
2

Children are super sophisticated when they think they won't be caught.
/r/MensRights09/11/12 01:31 AM
3

NOT because of sophistication, but because of self image, ie honor. Testosterone Administration Reduces Lying in Men Note that the study did not involve sophisticated lying, only basic self serving lying. Sad that lying would be honored.
/r/MensRights09/11/12 01:27 AM
8

When I want more women to share the burden of service, I draft women. When I want to balance out the nationwide bias against men in courts, I become become biased against women. Deal with it; I'm crazy anyways. /s Now, re-elect me.
/r/MensRights08/11/12 08:43 PM
1

Lol, no shit. I hate it when people say that prostitutes are selling their body. It's just not true. The prostitute chooses to engage in sex, like any other person, then takes money afterwards. The prostitute acts on his/her own agency and the "buyer" is just paying for permission. How stupid is it to take money, then be called a victim?
/r/MensRights04/11/12 12:27 PM
6

There's a woman who represents her constituents... /s And when will she be forcing women to sign the draft?
/r/MensRights04/11/12 12:12 PM
7

There are plenty of housewives who ARE feminists. They are the ones with the most free time on their hands. That's part of the reason I think women's rights has so overshadowed men's rights, men at work had no time to advocate their gender or throw fundraisers.
/r/MensRights04/11/12 11:59 AM
7

Feminists are telling women not only to deny their nature, Not really, feminism is about women getting resources and protection.
/r/MensRights04/11/12 11:56 AM
2

I saw her live, she is badass!!!
/r/MensRights20/10/12 03:57 AM
2

Also, its actually a good thing to be the stronger person when being assaulted... That way you can stop the assault, not take the beating.
/r/MensRights20/10/12 03:57 AM
4

It's especially sick when women have killed men with just their fists.
/r/MensRights20/10/12 03:54 AM
2

Ya, but the right to not be assaulted has nothing to do with "equal rights". It's a basic human right, ie even with gendered roles women should not hit men.
/r/MensRights20/10/12 03:50 AM
2

It's more of a moral/social question first and foremost. Should those female rapists feel ashamed and should others have reacted in disgust... Yes.
/r/MensRights13/10/12 07:12 PM
-1

How would that even be relevant?
/r/MensRights13/10/12 07:07 PM
3

But doesn't our culture excuse male rapists?!?
/r/MensRights13/10/12 07:06 PM
3

The vote was mostly just control over other men. Men went to war, men explored the continent, men were more responsible for crimes, and men worked in the public sphere. As far as I'm concerned the male vote had next to nothing to do with "female oppression". It's not like men ever had a vote to send women to war or the coal mines.
/r/MensRights13/10/12 07:03 PM
3

What you say is true but the minority insertion can actually bulsters the argument that women have privileges. Common sense would tell you that women who have it easier in court are in fact privileged. But to feminists who aren't deterred by things like common sense, will argue that "women are still oppressed because they aren't seen as having agency". Really...?!? So black men are seen as having the most agency. Obviously not, or at least not the good kind of agency. In actuality the people we …
/r/MensRights13/10/12 06:56 PM
6

I've heard that working overtime, retiring later in life, and receiving less health care is not actually good for your health... BTW, the gender gap is closing as women take on more of the responsibilities privileges men have had.
/r/MensRights13/10/12 06:42 PM
2

There's several reasons that drive this and I feel that quite a few of them are biologically driven. It's largely conditional too. Who saw it coming? When men are scarce women will often head the household and act more aggressive, earning men I suppose. I don't know if we need anything more than a reasonable sex ratio, take away the profiting from divorce (including biased custody), and get men birth control.
/r/MensRights13/10/12 06:31 PM
2

My question is this, doesn't this seem like even more strict punishment on those who falsely were put on the SR. For one, SR is wayyy to much of a catch all (crimes), but all of them are treated as disgusting villains. The other issue is cruel or excessive punishment. How long should rightfully guilty people be black listed, and essentially ostracized, in society?
/r/MensRights07/10/12 05:39 PM
1

Ya, I don't understand the concept of buying sex. You really can't. The other person can stop when they want so how have you bought something? You have only bought favor.
/r/MensRights07/10/12 05:32 PM
1

do not do it because they like it, but because they have to due to lacking education or any other resources. And because they don't like being janitors, McDonald's fry cooks, or waitresses. Moral of the story is, many people don't like their jobs hut some people have more options.
/r/MensRights07/10/12 05:27 PM
1

The idea that men need to "share their feelings" or "communicate" more in a relationship, as if the onus were on emotionally distant men, is a farce. Most the happiness in the relationship was based on empathizing for women! Men basically wanted women to be happy and women wanted men to know women's pain. Men, and the feelings they have for themselves, are somewhat disposable in relationships. Now imagine this on a larger scale...
/r/MensRights07/10/12 05:13 PM
2

Empathetic for women's pain. And men are already empathetic towards women's happiness. What is lacking is reciprocal empathy; men and women haven't prioritized this.
/r/MensRights07/10/12 05:11 PM
2

I know a wife who left her husband (solid guy) simply became they got into financial trouble and she thought she could remarry her way to security. I hope there isn't some douchbag who actually goes along with this...
/r/MensRights06/10/12 06:36 PM
3

I'd say feminists represent a lot of men's problems but they are not always the cause of them. Many of men's problems go much deeper.
/r/MensRights05/10/12 06:44 PM
3

We are reacting violently to the act of circumsision, which really is mutilation. I don't think its to say that circumsized guys are ugly or anything. And ya, calling someone a victim might hurt them (as a circumsized guy I don't feel this way) but it should still be pointed out to prevent new victims, generally speaking. Personally, I take the intact debate as saying my dick is worth something and not something to be fucked around with. I think the debate adds value to my d*ck overall.
/r/MensRights05/10/12 06:42 PM
6

And for fgm?
/r/MensRights05/10/12 06:12 PM
3

It has to do with anti feminism... I agree with you.
/r/MensRights05/10/12 06:08 PM
1

Cancer is not just cancer And the cancer that effects older women (not children, or young adults) is what gets the most support. Funny that they say "everybody deserves a full life" as if a kid dying is the same as a 60 year old woman dying.
/r/MensRights05/10/12 06:05 PM
-5

1) you can even add racial concerns into the mix, as black men are more vulnerable to PC on top of the fact that they are the demographic with the least healthcare. The bonus is that when a feminist disagrees, it shows how unliberal they are. 2) ustoo
/r/MensRights05/10/12 06:02 PM
1

Ya, the pink is very incriminating. It's sad that men have to wear very unmasculine clothes as a way of support, while they wonn't even support themselves in general. The pink doesn't represent men reaching across the aisle to share an understanding of women; it represents the issue of death and cancer being relegated to women entirely... as if men weren't human.
/r/MensRights05/10/12 05:57 PM
2

Write an article on agency about this ^ By society: Women and white people are agents of good, but they are (individually) only seen as victims of bad, not agents of it. Then, you will be complete.
/r/MensRights28/09/12 05:31 PM
1

Still... Our community shined through on this one!
/r/MensRights28/09/12 05:24 PM
2

Hey, sorry its taken me so long to get back to you. I've been really busy and didn't want to just half ass a response. I don't really have the relationship experience you do, ie never been close to marriage or kids. So I can't say much on what I would do. I'm leaning towards not getting married and just living with a commited partner, maybe kids too. What I do know about myself is that I have a strong core belief that my partner should put in as much as I do and that gender is no excuse for fail…
/r/MensRights28/09/12 04:48 PM
5

Honestly, fuck this. Women are the only rapists excused for their actions. Men are punished for their actions. We need to promote the idea that women are responsible for their bad actions.
/r/MensRights28/09/12 04:32 PM
0

What does that matter when they guy is punished anyways?
/r/MensRights28/09/12 04:30 PM
5

"men deserve [...] the responsibility" Wow, that's some fucking double speak. The point of the post is to hold individual men responsible and they do that by saying "men" deserve responsibility... Once again grouping all men and not seeing them as individuals. Men don't need to take responsibility for shit, only rapists.
/r/MensRights28/09/12 04:28 PM
1

Good, by all the upvoted comments I can see our community doesn't fall for this horseshit. If people thought, "men can't help themselves" we wouldn't turn so badly on alleged rapists. If men are all natural rapists why wouldn't change our view if men suspected of rape. But, we do see these men very differently which is why they are often disowned.
/r/MensRights28/09/12 04:24 PM
5

We give sympathy to "helpless" mothers who commit crimes, all the time.
/r/MensRights28/09/12 04:17 PM
3

we punish people that commit crimes Exactly!!! So how is the question of free will even relevant when our intent is to punish people's actions regardless? Do you think by adding the idea that men choose to rape is going to make people less protective of female accusers. This post is very backhanded and imo a farce. Also, we don't say "he couldn't help himself", as that would tend to evoke sympathy, as if he were a victim of things out of his control. Seriously, when have you heard that phrasing?
/r/MensRights28/09/12 04:14 PM
3

Girls can do it now because there isn't a history of women harassing men. Dead wrong, we just don't hear about this because our dialogue never includes calling men victims. Wives would legally lot to leave their husbands based on his sexual performance. A group of women would then judge the man's performance live, humiliating him, and finally the decision is made public so he can be mocked by the show village. I don't have time to make all the links... As a sign of cowardice, women would give yo…
/r/MensRights24/09/12 05:26 AM
2

Oh, I'm going to get back to you on that other thread. Just not now : )
/r/MensRights24/09/12 04:12 AM
2

Good points but, 44% of stay at home mothers say their partners make them feel as if they are not pulling their financial weight. The phrasing strongly suggests intention from the husband. They may feel their wives aren't pulling their weight They specifically said financial. It definitely would be good to ask the breadwinning husbands but based on this study I would think the percentage of men wanting their wives to pull in more money is pretty large. There may be some guilt ridden SAH moms who…
/r/MensRights23/09/12 08:48 PM
-2

Cleaning up after your kid... Ok. If you had trouble cleaning up then it would be impossible to clean up after 30 kids at the same time.
/r/MensRights23/09/12 08:38 PM
-1

Yes? Did I not make that clear enough? If someone else is taking care of/educating your kid, you are not doing it at that time. Neither does a SAH mom need to do much work if a day care provider can watch thirty kids. That is, when she is actually with the kids... Ok, so either the schools do the harder parenting work I listed above or the parents do it. If the school does the hard parenting stuff with one adult per thirty kids, then the same job with 30 is easy. But, I don't think that's what h…
/r/MensRights23/09/12 08:25 PM
-1

The comparison is parenting and working vs just parenting. Nice try. And you're comparing one job...
/r/MensRights23/09/12 06:20 PM
0

Parents that work are not taking care of their kids while they work. You mean during the time that one teacher or day care provider takes care of dozens of kids at the same time while the kids interact with each other? Baby sitting is not much of a job with one kid. All parents still have the responsibility of providing a good environment, cleaning, clothing, feeding, putting their kids to sleep, waking up in the middle of the night, learning the baby, teaching things to the baby, regardless if …
/r/MensRights23/09/12 06:16 PM
3

These men can easily just divorce and jet if the woman is really an incorrigible freeloader Just like women living with a wife beater can simply divorce. So any wife beating that continues is not a problem... It is forced on my uncle and cousin but they think its worth it not to divorce in order to keep the family intact. Big sacrifice. Also, divorce can cost men a lot when living with a freeloader.
/r/MensRights23/09/12 05:51 PM
9

Helping with MONEY, which is what those men want. But to suggest they are "mean" or not helping is offbase imho. It is mean to force the entire financial burden onto one person, because that's not the "help" you want to give. If a man is taking on full financial responsibility, it should be by choice because both parents are responsible for food and shelter. Note, that you can force a person to work, by not working yourself, but you can't force a person to stay home. I will say this again very c…
/r/MensRights23/09/12 04:32 PM
-1

have partners that are nice enough to not make them feel that they are not pulling their financial weight. Implying that the 44% are not nice... Wtf? Those wives are making their husbands carry about 100% of the financial weight. THAT is mean! I'm fine with the with men who like the provider role (surely less than 56% percent of men in that role), but I feel the need to point out the men who are taking on the full financial burden and want their 'partner' to help.
/r/MensRights23/09/12 04:18 PM
8

I'm an avid tennis fan and I would love to see women do five sets. Not to watch the matches, but to put "equality" to the test. Maybe then people will realize that, they don't want women's tennis to treated as if it were equal, when the fans know it is not equal (five boring sets...). The money paid in tennis should be about the money earned. In a spectator sport, that means drawing in fans. Conversely, the fans' money should be going to support what they actually want to watch!
/r/MensRights23/09/12 03:40 PM
2

My stance on alliance is; in the short term, I don't care why you're fighting, I care what you're fighting for. In the long term; I don't care what you're fighting for, I care why you are fighting. I must say, that is an awesome meme : ) And you are right. Typhon can annoy the fuck out of me, given her knowledge and what looks like a forced argument on "agency", but I hardly ever disagree with her on what should be done. Weird, actually... and I have no doubt I'll be kicked off the team then, an…
/r/MensRights23/09/12 03:25 PM
-2

Is it more difficult to do both? Sure. But it's still work, even if you're "just" parenting. Then we are in agreement. Sorry for giving the wrong impression; I was only comparing the working parent to the SAH parent. You make it seem like even if you're a parent, no big deal.. it's your choice whether or not to feed your kids. No, I mean you choose to be a parent (not choose the responsibilities of a parent). Obviously there is some inherent reward to parenting. But you 'choose' to work because …
/r/MensRights23/09/12 02:47 PM
-1

It wasn't a semantical argument! The point is that taking care of the kids and not working is far easier than doing both.
/r/MensRights23/09/12 02:21 PM
3

She literally did kill the chickens, brought them in to pluck them, and then cooked them. She made all the clothes for the children (until the rise of department stores in the area in the 70's/80's, and then the kids wanted 'store bought' brand name stuff). This is your grandma. Take pride in that! All that work was not dictated by the job/norm of stay at home parenting. Your grandma took a lot of initiative. Good for her.
/r/MensRights23/09/12 02:18 PM
-6

I'm saying that parents who work, don't call parenting work; they call it parenting.
/r/MensRights23/09/12 02:14 PM
5

I don't know. I have suspected that people don't care to watch women play five sets. (The men's game draws more viewers...) I.also suspect that many of the female athletes don't want to play five sets, especially when it raises the risk of injury.
/r/MensRights23/09/12 02:13 PM
-2

You're right. I'm just naive to the struggles of stay at home moms. Nobody really understands stay at home moms unless they've been one. I don't understand the SAH moms in my family who seem to be the most frequent users of Facebook and people saying "let's meet for lunch!". (I might add that they didn't like actual work, and complained about it.) Poor parents who have to work for a living while raising kids don't understand SAH moms. 44% of the husbands with SAH wives who are not happy that the…
/r/MensRights23/09/12 02:07 PM
22

Well, at least you know how to spell her name : ) She advocated equal pay for women in tennis. But the female tennis players only compete in best of three sets at the grand slams. The men have to compete in best of 5 sets. The difference in work and recovery time is HUGE. So every since equal pay has been enforced, the women have been getting equal pay for lesser work.
/r/MensRights23/09/12 01:52 PM
-14

It was running the home in the truest sense. What does that even mean? The truest sense of running the home is where women carry water from the river. When women gathered wood to start a fire. When women would get the food every day without a fridge or a grocery story to prep the food (whole unplucked chicken). When women would make ceramics and clothing, which were necessary for the community and a good source of income. At those times, the home was a real industry. In modern times it is just a…
/r/MensRights23/09/12 01:45 PM
27

I don't see feminism as anything other, groups fighting for what (some) women want. Feminists have blocked equal parenting acts even though that would free up mothers from some of the domestic load, allowing them to fulfil their careers. Feminists have supported lifetime alimony and poorly unregulated child support both of which can support a mother not working. Feminists blame the wage gap on employer discrimination, but given it's falsehood, feminists are actually advocating that women should …
/r/MensRights23/09/12 01:36 PM
20

That money’s still an issue: 44% of stay at home mothers say their partners make them feel as if they are not pulling their financial weight. Which means 44% of stay at home moms are taking advantage of the working fathers. They just choose not to bring in money which upsets the person who now has bring in all they money.
/r/MensRights23/09/12 01:21 PM
-10

Also, gardening is a luxury! Cooking home made meals is both fun and easy. I do it while in school... and I don't give it a second thought.
/r/MensRights23/09/12 01:13 PM
-10

One is a luxury, the other is really hard work. No, it isn't. You are making up a distinction for women who don't want to work. It's a farce to call stay at home parenting work, when it is really just parenting. All parents have to take care of their kids and most also provide for their kids! Lucky are the ones who only do the former. Work tends to be something you do by necessity. Parenting is something you do be choice. So not only is the demands on a stay at home parent lesser, but their rewa…
/r/MensRights23/09/12 01:09 PM
0

It's not men, it's white wealthy men, guh. One of our regulars actually thinks this I show the extent that it's women, a huge chunk actually...
/r/MensRights22/09/12 02:19 PM
1

That settles it, women need chaperones with them any time they might be tempted into thinking they may want to have sex. Then a chaperone can kindly remind them that they won't want sex with person x the next day, and thus prevent rape. /s
/r/MensRights22/09/12 07:57 AM
0

I don't think this law is trying to operate at the level of liberation from gender roles. That doesn't matter... The bias is still there and judicials will apply the law as they see fit. They probably would, because they're still invested in those traditional roles to some extent, but neither of those things seem like they would be legally actionable. If you're saying what I think your saying just imagine the protective male role on a larger scale and how hard it will be to recognize men's oppre…
/r/MensRights22/09/12 07:49 AM
2

Oh ya, welcome to /mr!
/r/MensRights21/09/12 08:23 PM
4

Gender bias. The whole dialogue on men's liberation from traditional roles that support women when they choose so, has been extremely lacking. A deeper look into the gender dialogue shows that many people don't want to hold women responsible for the gender roles and don't want to think of men not being somehow privileged by them. Therefore, society ignored all the men stuck at work because a gender privileges that women have. My cousin constantly gets his masculinity challenged by his wife and h…
/r/MensRights21/09/12 08:20 PM
3

It's really about having common ways of understanding people. Consent should not be some ambiguous horseshit that must be guessed at. It should mostly be about how each individual acts, and then we hold each individual responsible. The idea behind this ruling is as dumb as me saying that "as I move my hips back and forth, and my penis goes in and out of her, I did not want to have sex with her. She should have known that and closed her legs and get off of me. Why did she assume I wanted her on m…
/r/MensRights21/09/12 08:03 PM
7

The "/s" is for sarcasm. I was arguing the articles idea on control, of another person, by comparing having limited control on your own money vs having control on someone else's hard earned money.
/r/MensRights21/09/12 07:49 PM
11

I get it. This has to do with the traditional marriage and how vulnerable women in such relationships are. The woman staying home needs to be protected from the pressure of her breadwinning husband on how to spend his money, as that would be coercive. Especially when we know that the breadwinner is free to do whatever they want and that they only have to contend with the threat of bankruptcy if they stop earning money due to their partners decision to stay home. Clearly it is much more coercive …
/r/MensRights21/09/12 07:45 PM
16

Because it's soooo controlling to have a say on how your money is spent. On the other hand, taking someone else's money and spending it as your own is not controlling. /s
/r/MensRights21/09/12 07:27 PM
7

Don't we have the right to face our accuser and take a look at the credibility of their claims? Guilty till proven innocent, but without the chance to prove innocence.
/r/MensRights21/09/12 07:17 PM
60

But for a moment society actually convinced me that I was in the wrong for being stared at, as if it was because I was doing something that was offending someone. Good realization. Being a creep is not just a masculine thing. Women, who try to find out everything about a person from a far so that she can gossip about it, are creeps. Mothers who try to model off their kids in beauty pagents are creeps too. Then there are the more agressive creeps...
/r/MensRights21/09/12 07:09 PM
3

What really frustration is how often people gender the senario, such as, "a woman can change her mind at any time", even though it shouldn't be gendered.
/r/MensRights21/09/12 07:02 PM
1

When was this?
/r/MensRights21/09/12 06:59 PM
2

The male student was found guilty of sexual assault based on nothing more than a mere possibility that the accuser did not consent. It was nothing but a crime for (possibly) not mind reading. Consent should be based on what she does, something that reasonable people can agree on. It should not be based on whether or not he can read her mind. Isn't there always a possibility that person x recently experienced a horrible trauma and is in such an absent state that he/she along with everything, incl…
/r/MensRights21/09/12 06:59 PM
8

Actually they allow for both. Whatever is convenient at the time.
/r/MensRights21/09/12 06:18 PM
3

Do you need to say "no sir, i will not" which may hold up in court, but right there on the street may be taken as fighting words? So its reasonable to think that a man who wants sex is a violent rapist (like a violent mugger)? Well, any reaction a woman takes is justified then...
/r/MensRights21/09/12 06:16 PM
6

The problem is that they are begging the question. They assume she is a victim in order to say that she is not responsible, and therefore a victim. And did the thought ever cross their mind that the guy wouldn't want to have sex if he knew she didn't want to have sex? Therefore he is having unwanted sex.
/r/MensRights21/09/12 06:11 PM
5

And its just as possible to have sex with a guy who is asleep, paralized, or clueless as to what is going on. In short, an erect dick is not consent to sex.
/r/MensRights21/09/12 06:06 PM
12

It's still a mystery as to what consent from women actually is. None of those idiots calling the guy a rapist actually defined it.
/r/MensRights21/09/12 06:03 PM
1

Regarding sex (since rape is defined as essentially requiring a penis to perform the penetration - we need to fix this, but that's another topic) the woman is not the active participant but rather a passive participant. I don't think that's really the problem because if it were, we would have to say all sex is rape... But people with the mindset that women are passive in sex still say that women can give permission (ask for it, hold the other person, open her legs, etc...)
/r/MensRights21/09/12 06:00 PM
1

You CAN do something you don't like. If the person is engaging in sex, that is their choice.
/r/MensRights21/09/12 05:54 PM
0

Taunting? Hide the children From the father... consequently.
/r/MensRights16/09/12 08:14 PM
1

A married mooch is still a mooch?
/r/MensRights16/09/12 07:20 PM
-1

Complaining about a gendered interpretation that teaches men their servitude is instead control.
/r/MensRights16/09/12 07:17 PM
1

Of course, but only women can play the "submissive" front, while actually dominating the other person.
/r/MensRights16/09/12 07:15 PM
17

It's sarcasm.
/r/MensRights15/09/12 07:00 AM
26

If woman beats up man then it was self-defence. Of course! Women are weaker than men. They can't attack a man by surprise and actually hurt him. They can only hurt men who attack them by surprise. Obviously being attacked when you're not ready for it gives you a huge advantage. /s
/r/MensRights15/09/12 06:51 AM
3

Because the assumption is that all women have to go seeing how they're all victims, and none of them can victimize men.
/r/MensRights15/09/12 06:46 AM
8

How about you meet some male victims? It's also funny that you single out sexual assault as if self defense is only for that...
/r/MensRights15/09/12 06:35 AM
1

When a wife gets some side guy, she's usually no longer fucking her husband. I'm not sure that's true. Women are attracted to different men throughout the month.
/r/MensRights14/09/12 10:20 PM
2

they were putting their time and resources into raising their own children.. Then the man would care about emotional infidelity, ie he wants his wife commited to the same goal. Sexual monogomy was much less important in evolution than the male's emotional attachment, because it meant the female was more likely to receive the male's care and resources in raising her children You have a point here but keep in mind that when a guy fucks another women, this other woman will try get his emotional fid…
/r/MensRights14/09/12 10:14 PM
1

because womenare less capable of having sexual/emotional relationships with more than on person at a time. Then they wouldn't be cheating... ? One thing that might confuse the situation is that women are prone to patching on to the other guy before they leave their current one, but... That's still emotional and sexual double dipping.
/r/MensRights14/09/12 09:32 PM
1

If true, what would that say about love? Selfish and fleeting...
/r/MensRights14/09/12 09:25 PM
3

"Acting like you're the only victims"... Not so strong.
/r/MensRights14/09/12 09:23 PM
2

There should also be a list of things that students associate with safety. being in dads arms fireman policeman rescueman Jesus All men... Wait, scratch that. This is sexist and will harm girls' self esteem.
/r/MensRights13/09/12 06:42 AM
1

Children are more likely to be killed by mom than dad. The same goes for abuse. The image of violent men hurting children has less to do with reality.
/r/MensRights13/09/12 06:36 AM
0

If a teacher started breast feeding in class i'd just start having sex is class. "It's natural, bonding, and life giving" :' )
/r/MensRights12/09/12 10:57 PM
2

“Why don’t we use this as an opportunity to have a discussion about how one can actually be an embodied person in a classroom?” Wait, so a feminist is saying it's repressive to deny the existence of a persons' body. I guess that would be sort of like covering up a man in some generic suit so that he can go to work, all the while thinking his body is nothing to look at. Maybe noticing someone's body isn't always bad, but healthy instead. Never heard a feminist say that to help men though...
/r/MensRights12/09/12 10:53 PM
2

This actually would be good, and not just to make a political statement. Some men are denied coverage for services even when they are found to have breast cancer, because they are men... We should also be aware that, while only a small percentage of BC victims are men, only a small percentage of soldier deaths are women. We DON'T forget the later.
/r/MensRights12/09/12 05:46 PM
16

Your right, the so called privilege for men only applies to very few men by its nature. The benefits, in general, for women tend to apply to many women, such as stay at home parenting. That's were men are still very unequal to women.
/r/MensRights12/09/12 05:37 PM
1

What was she pushing anyways? Mother goddess stuff? I'm actually being serious. It's just strange to breast feed, talk about showing nipple, and take care of child during class, as if we need to see all the "beauty" of a mother.
/r/MensRights12/09/12 05:31 PM
0

She's attention whoring. She wants to discuss the idea that people see professors as walking brains and not bodied individuals... What a made up issue.
/r/MensRights12/09/12 05:26 PM
4

That's ridiculously rude and distracting to have your professor breast feed while lecturing.
/r/MensRights12/09/12 05:14 PM
0

Even if you too are drunk or high when you have sex with a girl who is drunk or high you could be charged with rape. It is not a sufficient defense to say, “I was wasted too!” Holy shit! That's an incredibly heinous thing to say. It's basically saying, I absolutely don't care how you could possibly get hurt but only worry about you hurting someone else. I don't care if he is just telling it like it is; by his reasoning he is literally blaming a rape victim.
/r/MensRights10/09/12 06:36 PM
2

Drunk and have sex Actually not true. If I get drunk I I forced someone to have sex with me I would be liable for rape. It's only when women, and their family, have regrets (victim) that a drunk isn't liable.
/r/MensRights10/09/12 06:29 PM
2

In a practical sense... You're right.
/r/MensRights10/09/12 06:15 PM
1

Really? Modern women don't seem to have high standards (ie selective) when it comes to sex.
/r/MensRights10/09/12 05:34 AM
1

Great point!
/r/MensRights10/09/12 04:52 AM
1

Feminism does not have any intention for equality
/r/MensRights10/09/12 04:51 AM
-1

The whole edifice of feminism teeters on the shaky proposition that sex differences feminists find unpalatable are amenable to change (i.e., “improvement”) via government and societal intervention. We need to inform anti feminists that feminism is not in any way about equality. Feminists completely hold up the notion that women protect the children, women are pure, women are empathetic, and men are threats. The theory on nature vs nurture doesn't even enter the equation because feminism won't he…
/r/MensRights10/09/12 04:44 AM
0

If something is actually valuable, you wouldn't need the government to enforce its' value. As in, if the housewives made really good x items, they could sell it for money as their income. If the housewives trully kept the house and the kids, then a husband couldn't withhold money because she could just withhold those valuable services. So I don't trust the value of the work if it has to be enforced by government.
/r/MensRights10/09/12 04:30 AM
0

If a woman is working, it is highly looked down upon, as it means there's something wrong with the family or husband that forces her to work (it is never thought of as something that a woman would want to do). Another thing is that because women stay at home, they are forced to rely upon their husbands for income, You hit the nail on the head in the bold writing. Work is seen as a bad thing. It actually plays out that way in the US. People mostly make money out of necessity or for the well being…
/r/MensRights10/09/12 04:26 AM
1

You avoided the question.
/r/MensRights10/09/12 04:12 AM
0

An impoverished Indian housewife works a hell of a lot harder than that, and doesn't deserve your scorn. Ya, I also know that a huge chunk of foreign workers sending money back their families are Indian men. They REALLY get taken advantage of and they don't even get to enjoy their home and kids. Don't talk about a woman's lack of rights in the home when it is acceptable that men are pushed out of the home and treated like slaves. A woman has a home and the kids... That is not second class.
/r/MensRights10/09/12 04:10 AM
2

It's a revolt against the corrupt system. It's not fair for you to say "minimize your risk". Really? How can all of us do that when we each angelic wife gets one husband and there are many husbands. Therefore, many men will end up with wives who hurt them. The above advice is not a solution for men. It's not even practical for individual men looking out for themselves. Men need to change the system. And a marriage strike is not a love strike.
/r/MensRights10/09/12 04:04 AM
-1

Marriage doesn't create and keep a family. Just open your eyes and look around. Commitment does bond a family, but you dont need a state marriage for that.
/r/MensRights10/09/12 03:56 AM
1

So all the men losing their kids and savings were just idiots? I think your being a bit naive at how bad things can be.
/r/MensRights10/09/12 03:54 AM
2

It's a false/rigged economy. I can guarantee those housewives will make more money than the open market would ever allow for that work.
/r/MensRights10/09/12 03:53 AM
1

So it'll be like the US where women control the money and the kids. The provider role forced on men is so exploitive.
/r/MensRights10/09/12 03:49 AM
2

Yes. They are healthy. Women already have them by being SAH moms, shopping, spas, and more time away from work. Men lack similar spaces. Even football is no longer a male space.
/r/MensRights08/09/12 03:04 PM
0

You have spaces all the time. Family space, college space, friends space, and so on. The same goes for gender. A group of guys can create a different atmosphere but that doesn't mean you hate everyone outside the group.
/r/MensRights08/09/12 03:01 PM
1

I've seen him yelling at his son that he needs to learn how to be a real man, Wow, that guy is a great example of what not to be. Too bad he doesn't learn that his "manhood" lost him his son.
/r/MensRights08/09/12 02:50 PM
1

I agree with everything you say. This is not a threat or sign of favoritism. But one thing you have reminded me of, is the fact that women do more spending in general. The mall itself is more so designed for women than men. This brings us back to the whole problem of men earning more but spending less. In other words men having to work longer, partially to pay for stuff that isn't theirs'. Though, it's not all good for women either. The makup they have to buy just to keep up with the competition…
/r/MensRights08/09/12 02:46 PM
0

We dominate women... whatever they (women) say makes us... Jezebel indeed.
/r/MensRights07/09/12 07:25 AM
2

Because women wearing sexy clothes is about empowerment. Men noticing is about objectification. The two are completely separate. Sexy clothes are not about being sexy, its just a way to say "I am sexy but I don't care. That's why I wear sexy clothes. Because acting in contradiction to what I believe shows just how strongly I do believe it." That, or, women want to dress slutty themselves but don't want other women with different standards to do the same.
/r/MensRights07/09/12 07:22 AM
1

Strange how I've never heard of that.
/r/MensRights07/09/12 07:03 AM
18

When men don't own their kids that is patriachy by definition, oh wait, is it the opposite?
/r/MensRights06/09/12 09:18 PM
5

What does one do in that situation besides tell the person to beat it? I would say that the cost of (continuing) to alienate children from men is far worse than the few men who do bad things. If she doesn't buy that then ask her about mothers and child murder or why are so many women in the FBI's most wanted for kidnapping Also, maybe you don't feel this way but I thought you handled yourself pretty well along with quick whit.
/r/MensRights06/09/12 09:12 PM
3

Yes!!! That bias means 80%+ victims of female sexual abuse aren't believed, it mean means women will get less jail time for the sane crime, it means abusive mother are more likely to get custody, and it means that a country to create national policies that deal with violence on the basis of false information.
/r/MensRights05/09/12 05:42 PM
2

Defendant's Gender Affects Length of Sentence @Science Daily
/r/MensRights05/09/12 05:38 PM
11

Yes, and more specifically it fights the idea that whomever a woman assaults "must have deserved it".
/r/MensRights05/09/12 05:33 PM
2

But why would they take money he doesn't have? As far as I know the splitting of marital assets has little to do with who made money and who spent money. I think this guy shows how idiotic shared assets are.
/r/MensRights03/09/12 07:01 AM
2

because the first would be absolutely unacceptable if the sexes were swapped. Well, what would you expect... Feminists see when women are "objectified" by a cat call but don't see the sexual objectification when men are called dogs. The equivalent to the latter would be outright calling women cum dumpsters, not obnoxious flirtation.
/r/MensRights03/09/12 06:56 AM
1

Which is exactly why it's wrong to say that men are always given agency in our society.
/r/MensRights02/09/12 05:16 PM
1

Love this!
/r/MensRights02/09/12 05:15 PM
6

condemning her behavior and stickup up for the obviously discriminated man That's our job, to organize and grow : )
/r/MensRights02/09/12 05:06 PM
2

Fail to do it, she whines, and you're whipped. It's the other way around. Don't do it, ignore her whining, and you're not wipped.
/r/MensRights02/09/12 05:00 PM
1

Also, I eventually broke down and had to try and see how women are being screwed by feminism and hypo agency to try and cope with the sheer scope of men's suffering. Woops, I missed this part before. The reason you argue the way you do is because you are too passionate about MR. This doesn't change any of my arguments but I see how I was wrong about you.
/r/MensRights02/09/12 12:31 PM
0

It's not really pro-active if you look silly when you fail to do it. That's more like jumping through a hoop which is not masculine imo.
/r/MensRights02/09/12 06:21 AM
0

Getting help doesn't mean your weak. Women were no more weak on the sinking titanic. Women are no more weak in old age, yet its women who get to retire sooner. The tradition is that women are deserving of more than men, including admiration on a date. I say F that. I am judging her just as much as she is judging me.
/r/MensRights02/09/12 06:15 AM
1

Yes, look at all the damage she did.
/r/MensRights02/09/12 06:07 AM
2

: ) Time for me to donate.
/r/MensRights02/09/12 06:06 AM
1

There's more to it than that, but with enough guys taking on your attitude, the whole list can be fixed. "You don't find me interesting? Ok, start an interesting conversation then..."
/r/MensRights02/09/12 06:00 AM
3

Are are all those symbols really necessary? : )
/r/MensRights02/09/12 05:55 AM
7

I don't think it looks radical, just immature for the setting we want. I do think the photo is clever for something like Facebook.
/r/MensRights02/09/12 05:53 AM
1

The idea that I'm somehow blaming men I'M NOT SAYING THIS. You're blaming an elite and taking the blame off of women, by calling them victims of feminist. My two points were that women are responsible for feminism (taking advantage of MD), and women also have a lot of responsibility in creating male disposability. I didn't point it out, but as I revealed, women actually make the elite. Men only follow other men so that they can move up the latter, to eventually please a woman. On many levels I d…
/r/MensRights02/09/12 03:24 AM
1

Also, promoting 'victim consciousness' among women is provably toxic to them And let's remember that this aspect is situational. Feminism is not tied to any philosophy other than give women what they want. Girls do not take on a victim mentality when they think they are smarter than boys and outcompete them in school. Women do not take on a victim mentality when they divorce a man then quickly move on. Men, however, do feel worse and more vulnerable in relationship uncertainty.
/r/MensRights02/09/12 02:59 AM
1

The things women want does not have to actually have to be good for them. I already agrree that feminism isn't always good for them. And a system based on it is also ultimately bad for women. My point was to explain how women are responsible, and not the victim of, feminism. A woman who divorces her husband, steals his kids, then ends up with an emotionally wrecked family did not help herself, but she is not a victim.
/r/MensRights02/09/12 02:51 AM
1

All of this is predicated on the idea that the 'male-bodied elite' are actually male-identified. What?!? I never relied on that assumption. I showed how the issue for the average male would lead to a heirarchy. A heirarchy separates men by definition...
/r/MensRights02/09/12 02:45 AM
1

Fuck, longest post I've made in a while.
/r/MensRights02/09/12 12:14 AM
1

Yes, male disposability benefits a male-bodied elite. I asked if there was any over arching principle in feminism which separates feminism from the goal of giving women what they want. Claiming that some elite group tries to encourage the idea that women are more important than men, does not qualify as such a principle... Actually, it reinforces exactly what I'm saying about feminism and why I resent women being called victims of feminism. Also, I wouldn't even care if elites were the ones who "…
/r/MensRights02/09/12 12:13 AM
1

Awesome find! Not only does it confirm women's repressed sexuality, it also shows the power women have in creating gender norms.
/r/MensRights30/08/12 09:41 PM
-1

Just like men are victims of an 'outside force' known as chivalry. Chivalry is not doing what you want. Chivalry is doing what others want so you can eventually get what you want. The problem is the societal pressure men feel to not take what they want, such as lifeboats on a sinking ship, so that they can be accepted in society. Kinda different from feminism dontcha think? in fact the 'patriarchy' that preceded it gave women better protection, alleiation of responsibility and prestige and honor…
/r/MensRights30/08/12 09:03 PM
0

You didn't just say women have problems from feminism, you talked as if the two were so separate that women were victims of this "outside force" that is feminism. (I also know you like to make a conspiracy about patriachy, which to me, looks like massive alleviation of women's responsibility.) The movement is fueled by women for their own self interests. These interests include protection, alleviation of responsibility, prestige and honor, resources, and more power. Come to think of it, feminism…
/r/MensRights30/08/12 08:35 PM
0

The 2nd pill could mean a few things, but, are you upset by the deeper "reality" of things? Did you once want things to potentially be more equal?
/r/MensRights30/08/12 06:21 PM
2

to advance their agenda And the their wouldn't be women of course. Nope, feminism is hurting women and women are not the agents of it but the victims. Poor things...
/r/MensRights30/08/12 06:18 PM
1

This should not be necessary, not if innocent till proven guilty reigns.
/r/MensRights30/08/12 06:04 PM
1

Because it objectifies women, men are in danger of thinking of women as sex objects not people. And what is a man in sex/porn? Basically a piece of meat with no face. Or that men are just plain disgusting. Ie, objectify men by calling them dogs, pigs, of any other reductionist term which says that men only think about sex. In my (limited) romance reading I find it a reoccurring theme that the man is a mind reader and knows what the woman wants, when she wants it, perfectly without ever being tol…
/r/MensRights30/08/12 02:28 AM
10

When a huge theme in twilight involves two guys fighting over one girl, even though she has supposedly already chosen one but still keeps the other around when she needs him... That's not pro relationship. That's attention whoring, or just the later.
/r/MensRights29/08/12 07:20 AM
5

Austrian Times
/r/MensRights28/08/12 09:06 AM
4

The kids are her asset, how on earth could her eggs be his asset?
/r/MensRights26/08/12 07:52 PM
2

He/she was talking about creating life with another person. That is a different issue than creating a life with someone, and then that person destroying it without your consent.
/r/MensRights26/08/12 07:51 PM
2

If women were crazy, and by implication men weren't, then men would have to take responsibility if things are to go smothly. That's why I and the above poster doing like hearing "bitches be crazy".
/r/MensRights26/08/12 07:47 PM
15

Feminist do say: My body, your responsibility. (Free birth control) My choice, his responsibility. (Forced parenthood) The matter shows that feminists don't have respect for men's choice.
/r/MensRights26/08/12 07:42 PM
1

It isn't that the paternity fraud victim was chosen as the father that makes him the father, it's that he spent ten/eleven years.... So you would at least agree that a cockholded man who doesn't have custody should not have to pay child support (and get back the money he did pay), otherwise we'd be continuing the crime against him. The only reason I didn't really ever bring up the real father in this nonsense is because the real father was raped at fourteen to produce the child and therefore has…
/r/MensRights25/08/12 01:13 PM
1

But if you have a son you might be quicker to warn him about certain protective instincts before you have actually verified them.
/r/MensRights25/08/12 01:06 PM
1

Is this equal outcome? As stated, it sounds like it. Different outcomes inevitably lead to different socializations. Boys will have a different socialization in equal opportunity. Though his/her goal is still good, (s)he just needs to realize the limits.
/r/MensRights25/08/12 01:01 PM
3

That women works for a female boss. Wherr is the justification that men can't take care of their infants?
/r/MensRights25/08/12 03:39 AM
7

To the extent that it's the "same" for women, as relevant to the law, it is the "same" for men. He was right.
/r/MensRights25/08/12 03:36 AM
2

So how did things change for women?
/r/MensRights25/08/12 03:32 AM
-1

What's that, the fact that women have a strangle hold on parenting? If true, I'd describe that as an insecurity derived from knowing the truth.
/r/MensRights25/08/12 03:20 AM
5

That's misandry for ya. I read a mommy blog one time and a young boys own mother (with the agreement of some other mothers) said that it would be right if the girl he groped were to kick him in the balls solely out of revenge. I can guarantee those mothers would not condone their daughters being cunt punted after having groped a boy. They wouldn't even dare tell their son to get revenge on girls who groped them. I know this because of their insane idea that it's OK to put a boy on the ground in …
/r/MensRights25/08/12 03:17 AM
3

Their answer is for men to bottle it up... Ok!!!
/r/MensRights25/08/12 02:59 AM
1

I have avoided opening up to close friends about somegthing important because I was afriad of how they might react. I now realize it was dumb for me to have done that. I should have taken the risk to find out how true these friends are. But, I lost that opportunity after they moved...
/r/MensRights25/08/12 02:58 AM
2

blamed for my scenario by "feminists Shouldn't that give you more say. The problem you are going through directly relates to the larger issue, as the facts show. Proudly blame it on what happened to you.
/r/MensRights25/08/12 02:52 AM
2

An eye for an eye?
/r/MensRights24/08/12 04:11 PM
1

You missed the analogy. It's about whether a wrong doing that put someone in a position of responsibility, is reason enough to alleviate that person of said responsibility. As a side note, your arguments on each issue beg the question. Others would say that abortion is the killing of a human being. You also say/imply that the man deceptively chosen as the father is the father... You think you are making arguments here, but you're really just stating your stances.
/r/MensRights24/08/12 04:08 PM
1

Yup, the douchbag covered for a cheating women, as he always does... Can't say I've ever heard him cover for a cheating man, and not badger him.
/r/MensRights24/08/12 04:10 AM
1

Dude, other people watch house too ; )
/r/MensRights24/08/12 02:39 AM
-5

Injustice somewhere is a threat to justice everywhere. Fuck, I stepped on a bug today.
/r/MensRights24/08/12 02:38 AM
3

I'm a little lost as to what the strawman is, but ill give it a shot. In regards to reproduction: *women have to go through pregnancy but since they are usually less productive men might have to do extra work. But the main benefit of a womb is that you know whose kids are yours. It would be very hard to get tricked into raised someone else's with a spouse that cheated on you. On top of that, you may never get to have a child because of a lie. If we are talking about how hard women have it, and t…
/r/MensRights24/08/12 02:35 AM
-1

You realize this is irrelevant?
/r/MensRights24/08/12 02:21 AM
11

That shouldn't matter, after ten years you have invested enough in the kid that you are said kid's father.". Ok, then a rape (violation) shouldn't effect a mothers connection to her fetus/offspring and rape should not enter the debate on abortion. Cockolding is a major violation, to the father and kid.
/r/MensRights23/08/12 07:37 PM
31

Ask her why we don't study the potential benefits of removing girls' clitoral hood, or more, if its that benefitial for boys. More realistically, ask her if the parents are informed of the risks uncover in circumsision. Risks such as death, injury, loss of sensitivity, and psychological problems.
/r/MensRights23/08/12 07:28 PM
3

Wow, hoping for the best!!!
/r/MensRights22/08/12 10:24 PM
2

How is your grad work going, btw?
/r/MensRights22/08/12 10:17 PM
1

You already admitted that leftists try to help out women, the sex perceived to be weaker. Women need protection says conservative: so man goes to war, defends the house, never hits a woman, and goes into the mine in order to spare the women folk. Women need protection says the leftist: ignores the male draft, focuses on domestic violence, says women only hit in self defense, and creates rape shield laws for women. Women need to be given resources says conservative: women don't need to earn money…
/r/MensRights22/08/12 06:16 AM
13

You offend me by reading into something that was not in the mind of the person expressing himself. Make it up by being a better, more open, listener.
/r/MensRights21/08/12 05:04 AM
7

Was there a bad intention or a negative point? No. Just let the guy speak.
/r/MensRights21/08/12 04:59 AM
0

In a nutshell, resources and protection.
/r/MensRights21/08/12 01:49 AM
2

What more depressing is how oblivious everyone is to this. By all the tv (movies, drama shows, cop shows) you'd think that the top.ten wanted would ALL be men. Seriously, 7 out of 10 and not even a hint from the msm. Women surpass men in college, earnings, and... burping contests; stop the press. Women surpass men on the top ten wanted list, "did someone say something".
/r/MensRights21/08/12 01:43 AM
3

No, the FBI is just misogynistic. After all, they are men...
/r/MensRights21/08/12 01:36 AM
0

Conservatism is about fairness; that means you penalize the perceived strong (man/gentle-man/provider/soldier) to benefit the perceived weak (woman/housewife/nurturer/innocent). Traditional roles, which are still expressed by leftists, do punish men and reward women with resources and protection.
/r/MensRights21/08/12 01:29 AM
2

First off, Obama, just leave office if you really feel that way. Secondly, let's extend this type of thinking to court. Let's get female judges to rule over women and hope they are more harsh because we know make judges are anti-male, not pro-male.
/r/MensRights21/08/12 01:21 AM
2

His comment is stupid. Men have sent other men to die in wars founded on BS. Male politicians are no more fit to make men's health decisions than women's. Plus, in reality, politicians care about votes which mostly come from women (especially on gendered issues). Why not say that us men don't want the majority of this countries voters, women, determining our healthcare expenditure?
/r/MensRights21/08/12 01:16 AM
1

Wrong post, but I see you've closed off.
/r/MensRights18/08/12 07:45 AM
1

This comment makes no sense. You change topic mid sentence.
/r/MensRights18/08/12 07:32 AM
1

What do you think?!? A bias in court, maybe. The bias that women are the nurturers and the ones who raise the kids does enter the courtroom. If you don't admit and account for this bias you have different objectives than supporting fathers.
/r/MensRights18/08/12 07:31 AM
1

you're on duty 24/7. Other parents are... well they're not really parents.
/r/MensRights18/08/12 07:26 AM
0

Yes grasshopper, but why.
/r/MensRights18/08/12 07:23 AM
1

Exactly! Along with a bias that is inconsiderate of men.
/r/MensRights18/08/12 07:22 AM
1

Owe, that hurted my phone.
/r/MensRights18/08/12 12:31 AM
2

The raised taxes encourage Joe to loose time with his kids, and the children are raised by one gender. Haven't we had this problem before?
/r/MensRights18/08/12 12:29 AM
0

Actually, the working fathers will have to make up for it too, given that the women aren't working! Women staying home means men are forced out of the home.
/r/MensRights18/08/12 12:27 AM
1

Some people have thought it would be a good idea to set a limit for how many kids a parent can have and sill exect the same increase in support. I'll bet there would be a huge drop in the number of non working families over said limit.
/r/MensRights18/08/12 12:25 AM
1

It's also the drive behind all olympic athletes; the men cheering and pushing the boys/girls along the way are just annoyances. Thanks Tide, PNG, and so on.
/r/MensRights18/08/12 12:21 AM
1

Thus forcing men to work more and separating them from their kids, like the good ol days.
/r/MensRights18/08/12 12:15 AM
2

Day care is subsidized so parents can work and actually support their family, along with society. These stay at home moms parents want society to work for them and their families. It's called moral hazard, when a parent decides to have kids but not provide for that kid.
/r/MensRights18/08/12 12:12 AM
1

Big or small its an incentive to not work.
/r/MensRights18/08/12 12:06 AM
1

But the media's reaction, a focus on mothers, is probably telling.
/r/MensRights18/08/12 12:05 AM
1

It doesn't, but I understand what you're getting at. To answer that, most people have the opportunity to abuse a child and I don't think child abuse has a timer attached to it.
/r/MensRights17/08/12 03:46 AM
1

Likelihood of a female being a child abuser = the number of female, child abusers/number of females Smaller number of male child abusers and equal number of men... And voila, a man is less likely to commit child abuse than.a woman.
/r/MensRights16/08/12 07:24 PM
0

I agree, the comment was too broad and looked like an easy scapegoat on mental illness. He may very well be correct, but, the connections are lacking as you say.
/r/MensRights15/08/12 11:02 PM
3

Fortunately, fb has caught a lot of dumb psychos : )
/r/MensRights15/08/12 10:54 PM
12

Attaching* ? Anyways, agreed!
/r/MensRights15/08/12 10:53 PM
1

BTW, its easy to get the wrong impression of what this guy wants; it almost looks as though he wants women create and compete(?) just as well as men. What he actually wants is for men and women to be separate, so traditional roles can presume maybe.
/r/MensRights15/08/12 10:50 PM
0

It just really urks me when some white guy disparages about a racial or sexual orientation privilege, and then turns around and asks for the exact same privileges for women. Fuck you and you're blind, sex driven, philosophy.
/r/MensRights15/08/12 10:47 PM
1

Edit: I ended up commenting on his site "The Olympics have always had problems figuring out who should be eligible for women’s events because men invented practically every sport—except rhythmic gymnastics and synchronized swimming—as some kind of test of manliness." Because men are better at x does not mean x was a test specifically designed for manliness. Do you think the 100 sprint is a test for blackness or speed? How does it even make sense then men would want to test specifically for manli…
/r/MensRights15/08/12 09:36 PM
1

There is a huge difference between "more children are abused by women" and "women are more likely to abuse children". Given the fact that there are about the same number of men as women on this planet, those two statements are the same thing. You might wish to explain women's propensity to abuse with their lifestyle, but women are in fact more likely to commit abuse.
/r/MensRights15/08/12 07:18 PM
2

If one parent never sees the child The policy is about men, so we are talking about men vs women, not fathers vs mothers.
/r/MensRights15/08/12 07:12 PM
1

And?
/r/MensRights15/08/12 08:24 AM
2

I doubt its all due to a lack of opportunity, which isn't much time.
/r/MensRights15/08/12 08:22 AM
3

however it does not account for the fact that women are more likely to be the primary or sole caretaker of children. Why should it?
/r/MensRights15/08/12 08:20 AM
3

That is not the same thing as women being more likely to abuse. Women are more likely to abuse children. You can blame it on their lifestyle if you want to but the basic fact of women being more likely to abuse children remains. Men commit more homicide, which could be the result of their lifestyle, but that doesn't mean people should disagree with the former statement.
/r/MensRights15/08/12 08:14 AM
1

So they apparently think that a woman would not be a one in a million risk. Their logic is just stupid when it comes to measures over one in a million...
/r/MensRights15/08/12 08:08 AM
1

The 32 year old women had sex with a 16 old boy, whom she was uncontrollably attracted to, and a 4 year sentencing is ok?
/r/MensRights14/08/12 04:53 PM
2

Lol at the dumb Rosin, feminist, take on this. Ms. Rosin argues in her book, which hits shelves next month, that many professional couples are evolving into free-flowing partnerships, or "seesaw couples," in which each spouse continually adjusts his or her role in response to changing family circumstances. From the book "The End of Men: And the Rise of Women"... "being a stay-at-home dad feels like a form of rebellion, like living off the macho grid and showing people that you are not tied to yo…
/r/MensRights13/08/12 05:31 PM
2

This is a great paragraph Six years later, he considers himself less a Mr. Mom than a new archetype of the father as provider. "I sort of take things upon myself," said Mr. Griffioen, whose family has added a son and moved to Detroit. "I don't go to the store to buy my kids toys. I make them toys. I do woodworking, leatherworking. I learned all sorts of manly skills that I never would have had time to learn if I were sitting in an office 28 stories above San Francisco." Basically the dads will s…
/r/MensRights13/08/12 05:23 PM
6

Their idea of objectification is screwed up. When the media shows women's bodies, and according to feminism reduces women to their bodies, the media is also reducing men to a sexual impulse. You could also say the media encourages women to see men as objects to rack up attention points. Just think of rape. A woman can have her body and sexuality violated but not a man. Why? Because a man is so basic, so reduced, that he must be lucky when raped...
/r/MensRights13/08/12 04:53 PM
1

but I think the women who truly hate and fear men are different from the ones who have not really critically thought about feminism and just are regurgitating everything they've heard. Yes, that's a good point. Sometimes we have good intentions but we still act in ignorance and end up doing harm. We've all been there.
/r/MensRights08/08/12 04:19 AM
1

Yes.
/r/MensRights08/08/12 04:15 AM
1

The method by which feminism has achieved its ends is damseling. I don't think you (generic) damsel, I think you appeal to damsels. Better yet, what is feminism? A mysterious outside force controlling its subjects or is it the "subjects" themselves trying to get more power?
/r/MensRights07/08/12 09:51 PM
1

Yeah, a lot of this agency is perceived rather than real. Some of it was real and some of it was perceived. Where are you going with that? You know that much of men's "agency" is just perceived. Though, I'm not sure is even call it agency.
/r/MensRights07/08/12 09:44 PM
1

I mean, if someone was raised in a Baptist family who was anti-gay, isn't it likely (not absolute, though) that they would also be anti-gay? But we're talking about something fundamental here, the relationship between men and women (husbands, sons, fathers, etc...). If women can't help but be forced into seeing men as evil then I'd say there is nothing fundamental or real in their relationships with men. If you can be told that the father who raised you, the man you married, the son you raised, …
/r/MensRights07/08/12 09:40 PM
1

Women have "agency" in motherhood, understanding others, romance, self defense, multi tasking, etc... Men have "agency" in none of those. According to our sexist society, men can't parent, men can't understand others, men can't love as well, men can't defend themselves from a woman (physically or emotionally), men cannot redeem themselves after a crime, etc... And in a literal real sense, men can not parent when they don't have their kids. Men can not redeem themselves when they are in jail. Men…
/r/MensRights07/08/12 06:04 PM
1

Good point.
/r/MensRights07/08/12 06:01 PM
1

No, she is contradicting herself. She says that patriachy takes women's agency away, which, by definition is taking women's agency away. Thus, by defining patriachy as real, she becomes patriarchal... Why do we need to invent some "other" force to explain what is women's desires and decisions to increase their own protections at the expense of others? We might as well blame the devil for the bad stuff we do...
/r/MensRights07/08/12 05:40 PM
2

Men's rights has been used by some to critique feminism and empower women. Then the mentality becomes, "we can't help men until we help women".
/r/MensRights07/08/12 05:38 PM
1

So all the responsibility for her feelings were the patriachy and not her? I think you are upholding your the very thing you imagined and hate.
/r/MensRights07/08/12 05:28 PM
1

I am so grateful I listened to my gut and didn't press charges. A feminist definition doesn't equal a legal definition. Otherwise, a girl who flirted with a wed guy is sexually assaulting him. Maybe a push up bra is sexual assault too.
/r/MensRights07/08/12 05:25 PM
-2

Actually I think the foreskin is far more important than the clitoral hood. Just as the penis is far more important that the clit. Women who have their clit removed can still orgasm and enjoys sex. A guy...
/r/MensRights06/08/12 04:00 PM
1

On my blog, the amount of posts that I've created talking about the problems men face outnumbers the number that I've created talking about women's problems by about 100:1. Thanks then what's the argument? There is none, as I said.
/r/MensRights06/08/12 02:58 AM
1

I have never said that women have it worse The issue at hand was, who got killed and who didn't. This is an either or case, unless you can put men in a box and only half kill them... You said not killing women was bad. Therefore, killing them was the right/better thing to do. The men were killed. So by default, you were asking for the women to be treated like the men. You're logical, but you're dancing around the subject. then you looked at a wider context (men and women in general) and you only…
/r/MensRights05/08/12 09:27 PM
1

The implication is that if the changes she suggested were enacted, women would be tazered, jailed and killed at the same rate as men. Of course, but that doesn't distinguish anything. She never said that women are worse off. In this situation, yes. You implied that the women should have been killed, as the men were. An not only did you say that the women should have been treated like the men, and not the reverse, but the reason you gave wasn't even directly about the treatment of men. You though…
/r/MensRights04/08/12 07:58 PM
2

A second poster aimed at men also sparked fury, for saying they ‘could’ be breaking the law and arrested if someone hasn’t given their consent for sex or touching. ... Jocelyn Anderson, of Worcestershire Rape and Sexual Assault Support Centre, said: ‘There is no “could be” about it – that’s rape – and to put regretful sex and rape together is appalling. That's why she was offended at the rape post directed at men? Not because its silly for men not to know or that the poster targets men, but beca…
/r/MensRights04/08/12 07:46 PM
28

I don't know why this is downvoted. Everyone would root a girl who retaliated and beat her abuser.
/r/MensRights04/08/12 09:46 AM
6

I swear, (non) Dr Phil would hear her side, too, just like he did with the pedophile rapist.
/r/MensRights04/08/12 09:43 AM
2

Actually I think the worker in the mine better resembled a prisoner than the worker in the home. And women weren't just protected; their lives had meaning too. Women were more connected to their kids, something that men and women are designed to do, but unfortunately men were replacible providers in the dating game. The denial of fatherhood and glorification of the provider was basically making use of men while ripping out a key connection to humanity and men's self fulfilment. The only flimsy c…
/r/MensRights04/08/12 08:32 AM
-1

In a given situation, someone did often have it worse. You described not killing the women as dehumazing. Apparently, you thought they should have been killed, because that would be more humanizing. (Personally, I think killing someone who did not get in your way, is more dehumanizing that not killing someone who did get in your way.)
/r/MensRights03/08/12 06:15 PM
7

Love would fit your definition of trying to "own" someone. You protect what you value; its the same thing! I would love it if women were to "take men" in the sense that women tried to provide and protect for men. I want my gf to take me and take responsibility for my needs. Can you imagine how the young men dying in the battle field would have loved that too, in those shitty ass times?
/r/MensRights03/08/12 06:07 PM
-2

Didn't you argue the same thing he/she is arguing? As is, killing all the men in the same vicinity of Osama was normal (?) while choosing not to kill the women was dehumazing and objectifying.
/r/MensRights03/08/12 06:03 PM
5

If their men lost a battle, they would be raped until near death and taken as a slave. As they let their men risk their lives defending said society with the knowledge that they wouldn't be killed. I find it very ironic that you would say women were forced not to fight... What do you think it means to fight? but that is not because they were valued, but rather completely excluded They were not excluded. They had food, homes, children, amenities, and a way of life. How,could they not be obligated…
/r/MensRights03/08/12 06:00 PM
5

have been a mra since 4th grade. You sir, are awesome! Me and a friend literally pointed out the sexism from our teacher in ~2nd grade, but I never strung stuff together and saw the large scale bias against men till much much later.
/r/MensRights03/08/12 05:42 PM
3

Power doesn't just come from the heirarchy. It comes from the masses of women too.
/r/MensRights03/08/12 05:33 AM
3

Thank you for this post. Depressing but consolidating.
/r/MensRights03/08/12 05:29 AM
10

Blaming the victim, I love it...
/r/MensRights03/08/12 05:26 AM
9

Along with real responsibility, or chains.
/r/MensRights03/08/12 05:25 AM
2

It won't exist once men earn significantly less. It's very design is privilege to those who earn less.
/r/MensRights03/08/12 05:25 AM
5

The stay-at-home wife is entitled to half your "shit" to make up for the career they sacrificed to stay home Wow, so by not working I am sacrificing a career and someone owes me money. Would that logic ever work outside marriage? It's not a sacrifice to stay home. Not working (and still getting room and board) is the obvious benefit of... not working. And by design, how could the provider get half of the time the SAH parent got with and without the kids? That time should be shared 50/50, right?
/r/MensRights03/08/12 05:24 AM
9

OK, someone did not get the message. The fact that you are seen as stupid, monolithic, unchanging, and incapable, proves that you are one of the privileged. And thank goodness that feminism helped society to see us men as stupid, monolithic, unchanging, and incapable. To summarize things for you, feminism calls us a piece of shit, then society sees us as an even worse piece of shit, then feminism explains how it's our fault we are being called a piece of shit, all so that FEMINISM MAY SAVE US FR…
/r/MensRights03/08/12 05:15 AM
1

Is this for real?
/r/MensRights03/08/12 04:59 AM
1

can lead to people treating others like they aren't proper people who have brains and dignities, just rather things people want to use to express their sexuality which can be dehumanizing, or are only validated when they have a sexual appeal or capacity. Can is the operative word. You can't say "x" is always objectifying without regard to the person doing x and the person recieving x and the context that this takes place in. But that's what I hear from feminists. I see a theory that paints one b…
/r/MensRights03/08/12 04:27 AM
1

Ya, and that quote pissed my off to no end because assault is not about any of those things. It's about damage and intent. That's why I have always hated the saying "never hit a woman". I would hit a woman who.was beating me, my gf, or my toddler. It's all about the situation. The strength thing is just unbelievably stupid. A weaker person can kill a stronger person with or without a weapon ffs.
/r/MensRights03/08/12 04:07 AM
1

but arresting both/all parties takes it out of the hands of the cops and right into the judges hands I was thinking about this, and whether its better. I guess with judges/courts things are on record and a lawyer can be present. The only thing that makes me nervous about judges is that they can give some really shitty rulings/white knighting. One thing about judges is that they aren't in the thick if things. They haven't had to subdue a violent woman, or seen her in a rage. I just wouldn't know …
/r/MensRights02/08/12 06:45 AM
1

Women are pretty physical.
/r/MensRights02/08/12 03:22 AM
3

they also link sex dolls to sexual objectification which they link to female body image insecurities and back to sexual abuse because of sexual objectification. Sex dolls are all about sexual objection, vis a vis the actors sexuality! But it's an object that is being objectified... Assuming that objects (vagina/penis, boobs/chest, scent, feel, etc...) are a natural part of someone's sexuality... duh... Then doing these things to a doll, instead of a person, should be welcomed by feminists, no? P…
/r/MensRights02/08/12 03:17 AM
3

It's a lot deeper than sex. Women have the monopoly on chidren and social networks, that's probably one reason they take divorce, both first hand and second hand, easier than males. Social connections is where the real power is. Those are the things men may commit suicide over. There is a huge lack of male space and male bonding imo.
/r/MensRights02/08/12 02:50 AM
3

who is most vulnerable, This doesn't make any sense. It's about who started it and what damage each party did when determining guilt. What does vulnerable even mean? (Anyways, thanks for the description)
/r/MensRights02/08/12 02:45 AM
3

Then it sounds like victims can be harmed by the law.
/r/MensRights02/08/12 02:41 AM
1

Very good self defense... then add a sob/trapped/low self esteem story to get away with attacking/killing someone. I don't want to be so dramatic, but it can be that bad.
/r/MensRights02/08/12 02:37 AM
2

Sometimes the bias is written into the law (as in, irrespective of damage, the male bigger person is more liable...) and often the law is just applied in a biased way. I.have a hard time believing its routine to arrest a female victim. Doesn't seem to fit our society.
/r/MensRights02/08/12 02:33 AM
1

I love it when I run into another guy who knows what we are talking about, minus the mra phrasing, usually...
/r/MensRights31/07/12 04:00 AM
1

Ummm, it would stop serial FRA and I do think the punishment would be a deterrent. The way I see it, death penalty = deterrent to homicide You'd have to explain that because you surely cannot apply that to every situation, ie you know people behave differently based on different laws.
/r/MensRights31/07/12 03:57 AM
1

Hmmm, the only problem is that it reinforces the idea that rape victims are the only victims that matter. I think there needs to be a balance between challenging peoples perceptions and falling in line with them. For example, I had to be pushed in order to think that victims of FRA can be as devistated as rape victims. Before that, my main focus on FRA was the possible prison time. And before that, I didn't considered victims of FRA second hand and not on par with rape victims. But now I see som…
/r/MensRights31/07/12 03:52 AM
1

Ie, he should be free. Id morally support him in whatever he does as long as it ain't killing himself... That would just be a horrible waste.
/r/MensRights29/07/12 02:45 AM
2

That's not how it works. The moment he decided to bring this child into the world, he became responsible for her well being above his own. Yet he is barred from her, so that is not how it works. His greatest and only real gift is spending time with her. Money is mockery of fatherhood; it isn't fatherhood really. But you still hoist so much responsibility on him. Don't you think the ones that have power over the daughter (mom and the state) should take enough of the bill so that this man is not t…
/r/MensRights29/07/12 02:39 AM
8

It would be his child if he could see her, bond with her, or raise her. This is too much hell to ask a man to go through when he can't be a father, only a paycheck. Provide is just not the appropriate word. Edit: the very last thing he should do is suicide. Just about all of us would understand him taking a fifteen year break or starting a new. He can help himself and others much better if he isn't being bonded in a cruel manner.
/r/MensRights28/07/12 10:51 PM
1

The subreddit is for women who want to focus on men's rights ... Women as proactive rather then cosseted.
/r/MensRights27/07/12 11:07 AM
3

You got the whole issue right there! How often would you hear a feminist say that dating a man based on status is to objectify him?
/r/MensRights27/07/12 01:15 AM
1

I'll read it later but this dichotomy is complete bs. Firstly, we know that (people) showing more skin evokes greater empathy from other. Ergo, the body does give us humanity, shocker... Also, what is the context. I'd wager that fry cooks are seen as "whole" and that it doesn't really have anything to do with "humanity".
/r/MensRights27/07/12 01:11 AM
5

It's fucking amazing how badass women are, in our eyes, ("kick ass", "nikita", women's mma, women's olympic judo, mama bears, etc) until their life is in danger and a man is there to take the fall.
/r/MensRights27/07/12 01:03 AM
16

The subject of rape is very sensitive. To be effective you need to put the focus on the victims of false accusations and not the accusers, who are often automatically equated to victims. Note how we will say alleged rapist but rarely say alleged victim; it's usually just victim... Focus on actual FRA victims, abuse of their rites, the devastation FRA does to a family, and the way it takes advantage of actual victims (annoying but it might help).
/r/MensRights27/07/12 12:53 AM
4

You see the irony in applying that description to men, right? Men's lives are worthless, unless their ready to die for a woman actually means that men's lives are worthless.
/r/MensRights27/07/12 12:39 AM
1

This guy?
/r/MensRights27/07/12 12:35 AM
6

I REALLY wonder how the media would react to 3 women dying for their boyfriends. Would they honor the women, attack the boyfriends, teach women that they need to be more "independent" and not die for men... i dont know. It is an interesting exercise!
/r/MensRights27/07/12 12:26 AM
8

The guy who wrote this article is very messed up for bringing men down and only redeeming those who sacrifice themselves for random, in the sense that we have no idea who the fuck they are, women. He is basically blackmailing men. But another problem comes from the people who cherish this event as an inherent part of masculinity, while calling no attention to the lack of reciprocity. The first is basically "man up" and the latter is basically "what a gentleman!". Both are bad because they accept…
/r/MensRights27/07/12 12:22 AM
1

This may sound redundant It does, very much so : ) Just keep in mind that those girlfriends might have been seen.as "capable" in every way except when their life is in danger... which means that the boyfriends this isn't about capability but the acceptability of death. It makes a whole lot of sense when we are talking about bullets.
/r/MensRights24/07/12 12:55 AM
1

general perception that a man is expected to be strong and brave That's it right there. But self sacrificing is a more apt term IMO. a womanis permitted to break down emotionally and not respond appropriately. No, they do respond exactly as intended, keeping themselves safe. There seems to be a hell of a lot more women taking self defense classes and/or "fighting back" than women who save others by risking their lives. I'm not saying women can only be this way. I find it impressive and endearing…
/r/MensRights23/07/12 04:56 PM
1

Women can go to the olympics, become a lifegaurd, compete in triathalons but when their life is in danger we think they can't do shit... We also expect a man to go in despite the level of difficulty. So a woman who is in an easier position should go, right? Clearly we know grown women are capable of saving children, even if not as often as men, but we never expect them to.
/r/MensRights23/07/12 06:22 AM
2

Men will naturally do more to save someone? That would still be something we should know.
/r/MensRights23/07/12 12:01 AM
1

I'm torn in these situations. Just like the military.
/r/MensRights22/07/12 10:54 PM
2

I don't think that's actually true. Though, we give women credit for such... Just imagine a man standing at the edge of an icey river, screaming for help while his kid drowns. Would he be chastized? Now imagine a mother doing the same? Would she be chastized? Gender expectation or not, I hear about a lot more men saving kids than women. I definitely think this can change.
/r/MensRights22/07/12 10:52 PM
6

I'd take them any day.
/r/MensRights22/07/12 10:47 PM
10

Then why is it that men do it so much more?
/r/MensRights22/07/12 10:45 PM
5

I agree with everything you said, but there are loads of gender bias that enter the situation. As courteous as it would be to just focus on the individual acts, you have to look at the pattern of men saving women and hardly the reverse. This sacrifice was in the context of a relationship. In other words it was especially an act of romantic love. But reciprocity is very important in a relationship so it is important to know if you're partner would do the same. Yes, of course he is a hero. But the…
/r/MensRights22/07/12 10:44 PM
1

Dude, its a joke. And I was saying that women's studies is impractical in general. Didn't we just defend tosh.0 and his right to make a joke?
/r/MensRights18/07/12 09:07 PM
1

I don't have to be a big, strong man that treats women like objects I've never had the impression that men treat women as objects any bit more than women treating men as objects (cannon fodder, status object, sex animal).
/r/MensRights18/07/12 04:34 AM
2

Because of them, not male culture.
/r/MensRights18/07/12 04:31 AM
-5

Unfortunately, women's studies majors aren't actually that equiped to deal with practical problems, like site maintenance.
/r/MensRights18/07/12 04:27 AM
3

Neither option is actually safe for men. Women marrying you for the wealth and opportunity you provide is an escalating task, and obviously fucked over the Thai men.
/r/MensRights17/07/12 05:56 AM
2

When diversity becomes evil.
/r/MensRights17/07/12 05:54 AM
2

Agreed.
/r/MensRights17/07/12 05:42 AM
3

It's like saying a woman should be able to choose whether or not her daughter is circumsized. Argue that, its a really good point, and may invoke a "ummmmmmm?".
/r/MensRights17/07/12 05:39 AM
2

First off, thanks for helping out. But oddly enough, I wonder if their reaction could be a step in the right direction. What I mean is that they don't think society, well, at least women, should get to prescribe circumsision, as was the norm. It sounds like they think the choice should be made closer to home (comparing to abortion). The men are also tying the choice of circumsision to experience, albiet only a sympathetic or memory based experience. Now, I really HOPE that they take it a step fu…
/r/MensRights17/07/12 05:39 AM
1

and here, I take it that you consider circumcision to be genital mutilation-- that's fine And you don't? The female genital mutilation that has people in arms about it is UNARGUABLY the removal of the clitoris all fgm. Unless you can show me otherwise. Do not try to confuse the issue into making the argument based on the exception or rarity. Where is the evidence of this? The female equivalent to circumcision is the removal of the labia minora, which women sometimes elect to do for cosmetic reas…
/r/MensRights15/07/12 01:07 AM
1

It worked.
/r/MensRights15/07/12 12:42 AM
1

Maybe you should go on strike? ... Jk
/r/MensRights15/07/12 12:41 AM
9

The analogous organ to the clitoris is the glans, not the foreskin. Some fgm is analogous to mgm. Since most people agree on banning all fgm, without feeling the need to distinguish the types, we should not be distinguishing mgm as lesser. That would be a double standard. I also would not say that fgm is worse, I'm pretty sure that more boys than girls have died from gm.
/r/MensRights15/07/12 12:38 AM
4

Good job man, you spoke up, acted civil, and even got some support!
/r/MensRights15/07/12 12:31 AM
7

We should also look at the very factors she listed and how they impact men more? Homophobia is far more likely to kill menbthan women. Racism is far more likely to jail black men than black women. And as for class, the lowest level in our society is mostly occupied by men. So male discrimination is already hidden within these terms. It makes one wonder...
/r/MensRights15/07/12 12:22 AM
1

What are the reasons you won't vote for romney?
/r/MensRights15/07/12 12:04 AM
-2

Not going to give the article my view.
/r/MensRights13/07/12 05:18 PM
2

It doesn't even play out equally. Forced fingering would be considered rape, but jerking a guy off isn't.
/r/MensRights13/07/12 05:16 PM
1

I don't recall if men's actually went up or just stayed the same It went up doesn't have anything to do with the legal MR issues which exist. Of course they exist, that's exactly the irony I was pointing out. So, despite all the issues men face now, they are still more happy than before! Understanding why is very important. it's apparent that you've conflated social conservatism with actual conservatism. I was talking about the 1950's and the century before (I still have to find how far back the…
/r/MensRights12/07/12 04:02 PM
2

Hmmm, doesn't seem nearly as overt, but point taken.
/r/MensRights11/07/12 06:48 PM
2

Agreed, fathers only matter when something gets fucked up.
/r/MensRights11/07/12 06:45 PM
5

But what's the long term? I know you think hypergamy means men will always have to earn their way and more, while women will always keep everything they make. But, look at how much female sexuality is actually about controlling other women. "Don't wear that sexy dress" or "don't get that tech job that I can't understand". Maybe, women are trying to stop other women because they know that those things would add value to the usefulness of a woman, and take away value from women. As in, maybe certa…
/r/MensRights11/07/12 06:44 PM
3

I read his piece too. Scarry how he defends the title as a tool for doing all kinds of stuff. The f***er also lies to the teeth about equality.
/r/MensRights11/07/12 06:36 PM
0

The mistaken Liberal belief that equality is possible and even desirable is what has caused a large number of MR issues. Yet men are more happy today, and women less. As far as men's issues goes, I don't see traditionalism as an order that gives us equity and keeps our biological drives in check. I see the recent form of traditionalism as an exaggerated form of biological drives, or not even, giving more leverage to women via the socialized state. I see recent traditionalism as why we are in thi…
/r/MensRights11/07/12 06:32 PM
5

You're right, the commercial is very dismissive. Notice how often the coaches behind those athlete are men. Obviously there's something inspiring about masculinity.
/r/MensRights11/07/12 08:09 AM
2

While men might do that stuff just as much, women are the ones with the purchasing power. So we end up with a problem like this.
/r/MensRights11/07/12 08:07 AM
3

Can you think of any commercials that say something like, behind every x is a loving father?
/r/MensRights11/07/12 08:05 AM
8

"behind every athlete is a loving mom." So we also think that behind every criminal is bad mother... Right?
/r/MensRights11/07/12 08:02 AM
2

In China, boys (specifically sons, due to the one-child law) are more valued than girls, and that attitude is propagated throughout Chinese culture in general. I'm a staunch MRA, but in some parts of the world, women actually do still get the short end of the stick. Aren't they treated like a utility? As in, they are "valued" by how they will support the parents, especially mother, later in life. Basically sons are a retirement plan and this obviously hurts the sons. It's a cycle whereby women g…
/r/MensRights10/07/12 05:15 AM
0

the gender gap is actually mostly caused by the choices women make themselves. They'll still chalk it up to "patriachy". As stupid as it is to look at every problem through the lens of a theory... that's how these arguments often go. So to attack the idea of the patriachy and women's oppression, I would argue it this way. Married men make more money than single men, even after you control for education and other factors. So the men without families, and thus more free time, actually earn less. I…
/r/MensRights06/07/12 06:30 AM
0

Sexism, the hurtful kind, can go against one gender. The hurtful one is often the relevant one. criminal court bias family court bias healthcare gap chivalry on the titanic Were/are against men, not women.
/r/MensRights06/07/12 04:43 AM
14

This Saying women have suffered from feminism just as much as men is like spitting in the faces of all the men who have suffered ten lifetimes of pain because of feminism. Same with the "(insert horrible treatment of men) is just as sexist towards women because it says women are... yata yata yata"
/r/MensRights03/07/12 12:27 AM
2

Wrong. Chimp males are communal; chimp females are loners. Lol, sometimes you scheme and sometimes you react.
/r/MensRights03/07/12 12:19 AM
46

I definitely think they are more aware of it than men are.
/r/MensRights03/07/12 12:06 AM
1

No, having concerns does not make one weak. It makes one human. Women are being treated with respect when people don't toss out the ultimate insult.
/r/MensRights01/07/12 11:34 PM
3

they are as polite as the situation requires They are not nearly as cautious as they are with women's concerns.
/r/MensRights30/06/12 04:13 PM
2

But when are we sensitive to men?
/r/MensRights30/06/12 04:06 PM
7

But people aren't considerate to man's perceived intelligence, status, or employability like they are towards women's looks. Women get to openly judge men but men don't get to do the reverse.
/r/MensRights30/06/12 04:01 PM
1

I know.
/r/MensRights30/06/12 12:38 AM
1

Holy fuck. Seriously, read this article!!! The two men, including the very famous and respected Andy Roddick, argued their points so well. Also, look at the subtlety here, "A lot of what I heard Gilles saying was, basically, he's proud of the product that the guys put out there. I'm sure he could have gone about it in maybe a not-so-forward way. But in the same token, I saw the responses. They're like, 'he needs to shut up or he needs to wake up earlier'. If it was said the other way around, I f…
/r/MensRights29/06/12 07:56 AM
1

She's way hotter than he is, so more people will watch Maria That reminds me, Maria Sharapova has made more money modeling than many of the male players. EQUAL PAY!!!
/r/MensRights29/06/12 07:47 AM
1

It was rhetorical : ) Unless... You were being sarcastic yourself. Head hurts.
/r/MensRights29/06/12 07:45 AM
2

Why are the women asking for equal money? They are just two separate competitions, obviously, since the women's side can't compete with the men. There are just sub par players and nothing should be owed to them as if they were equal.
/r/MensRights29/06/12 07:41 AM
43

she just told me to teach my son to treat girls better Now I see where the girl's entitled mentality came from. Why would she even say girls?
/r/MensRights29/06/12 05:04 AM
9

There are certain irrationalities that make me rage.
/r/MensRights28/06/12 05:03 AM
24

Women's rights groups and social policy makers also condemned the decision, but for the reason that it would have the effect of putting male and female circumcisiononthe same footing, when they were "in no way comparable", said Katrin Altpeter, She would rather see boys victimized than let them be called victims in any way that resembles that of girls. To her it's better to say nothing than to say something that is too similar to girl's problems. That is absolute power hunger.
/r/MensRights28/06/12 05:01 AM
1

Median? I don't know where that would be. Hey, I also have some articles I think you'll find interesting. http://rspb.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/early/2009/10/27/rspb.2009.1660.full In theory there should be symmetry, wrt to the value of each gender, when you add grandpa. http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ajpa.22092/abstract Spooky stuff. I don't know how the mom's... uhhh, boobs, know or how much of the mom's awareness is involved? Anyways, it does show that parents predict the…
/r/MensRights27/06/12 07:12 AM
1

Oh ya, and keep in mind that mother nature doesn't design anything. The species might do better if they did x, but if x isn't good for the individual, it likely won't happen.
/r/MensRights27/06/12 05:14 AM
1

While technically boys as a GROUP average just as many kids as girls do, boys as individuals do not. The average is meant to describe the individual. On average boys have as many kids as girls. Average x number of individuals in the group = the total of the group. The last two variables are the same for boys and girls, Ergo the first variable must also be the same.
/r/MensRights27/06/12 05:03 AM
1

Ahhh, yes, I forgot about that aspect. Thanks. Men will take more risks, behaviourally and genetically, because they have more to gain as an individual. The consequence is that the bar is set higher for men, and men who act like women will be "losers". So yes, that competition ends up decreasing the value of less successful men. However, that doesn't mean we instinctually view men as more disposable, the disposability just came as a consequence of men trying harder. If this was the only cause of…
/r/MensRights27/06/12 04:57 AM
1

I meant that boys will, on average, have as many kids as girls will. Incidentally the ratio you gave is very interesting and could have some relevance to the inherent "value" of males and females. Though, by itself, it says nothing. Id be curious how that ratio changes in relation to a population's history. As in, is the ratio lower in populations with less violence/war/polygamy? Edit: Brain fart! Yes, there are more boys, by just a nudge. So boys will have less kids on average by just a nudge. …
/r/MensRights27/06/12 04:04 AM
2

I'm not so convinced on the instinctual part. There is a difference in what is good for the group and what is good for the individuals. Protecting women might be good for the group but not necessarily for the two individuals who actually pass on their genes and instinctual behavior. Keep in mind, that boys average just as many kids as do girls. I'm thinking that maybe its our culture, our collective will, that has caused us to protect women. It is certainly possible consider the MAJOR biological…
/r/MensRights26/06/12 07:01 PM
1

Ty, this is the one I meant ; )
/r/MensRights26/06/12 06:39 PM
7

Exactly, its not that we see girls as weaker, its that we care about girls' weaknesses. There is a difference! When we see a boy or minority as weak, we don't care much, but when a girl is weak we do care. We all know that men live shorter lives, thus weak, yet we still pay more towards women's health. We also allow women to retire earlier than men, despite knowing full well that men are going to die sooner.
/r/MensRights26/06/12 06:12 PM
3

Thanks a lot, now I have to watch it >:-(
/r/MensRights26/06/12 07:05 AM
2

Thank god, giving free will and humanity. While we are told that men are given agency, that picture is far from complete.
/r/MensRights26/06/12 07:00 AM
2

If he were to help, that would be assault. Even if he were to protect a baby from the chair weilding women, that's assault.
/r/MensRights25/06/12 04:36 PM
2

Interesting that this woman represents all women and the two guys, with security type stuff, are strange.
/r/MensRights25/06/12 04:33 PM
2

Plus they got a similar retirement.
/r/MensRights24/06/12 07:57 AM
1

that sounds like an emotional argument for no reason. Clearly he isn't talking about being suspicious of children, as he wants more of them to be believed. He is just keeping in mind that not all testimonies involving rape are true, which includes children.
/r/MensRights23/06/12 11:15 PM
-1

Hu? Why is pornography wrong then? Does it shoot lasers at people?
/r/MensRights23/06/12 11:01 PM
2

There isn't any justifyable reason that men should get less retirement. Imagine the extreme. Let's say Ralf and Dan work equally well and put in an equal amount of resources into one pot, saved for retirement, while they are working. Ralf is expected to live to 60 and Dan to 80. If Ralf and Dan both work until they are 55, they will have saved enough for 35 years of retirement for one person. That would leave 5 years for Ralf and 25 years for Dan, equal to the the time they have left, plus 5 yea…
/r/MensRights23/06/12 11:00 PM
2

But men are essentially paying for women's longer retirements, making men retire later than they should.
/r/MensRights23/06/12 10:19 PM
0

Having enough depends on how much longer you are going to live, and thus gender too.
/r/MensRights23/06/12 10:13 PM
5

Naturally it is the smarter female employers who finally take advantage of this.
/r/MensRights23/06/12 08:44 AM
2

Discrimination does not have to be symmetric. Jews < Nazis Black slaves < white owners Poor < rich Forceful removal of custody < the option of custody (even forced custody)
/r/MensRights23/06/12 08:38 AM
2

But that's not a patriachy that benefits or empowers men, it's not a patriachy at all. Kids are invaluable to many parents and forcefully removing them is very disempowering. Also parenthood has a huge influence on the next generation. Therefore, parenthood itself, is power. But, ya, the people who believe in the "Patriachy' won't even admit those things.
/r/MensRights23/06/12 08:34 AM
1

Wow, seriously?
/r/MensRights23/06/12 08:28 AM
2

Especially when, Patriarchy is a social system in which the male acts as the primary authority figure central to social organization, and where fathers hold authority over women, children, and property.
/r/MensRights23/06/12 08:27 AM
1

when it is it's due to patriachy Wow, that directly contradicts patriachy - men having primary rights over their children. That is, unless feminist use the term only in ways that suite them.
/r/MensRights23/06/12 08:24 AM
-5

Why does that matter? Either way the person is explicitly thinking about sex. Edit: and making that known to everyone, thus making the workplace inappropriate.
/r/MensRights23/06/12 08:18 AM
17

As ridiculous as it is, I agree that mothers using their sons for their own gender fantasies is far too common. (Speaking from experience) You would think that those types of mothers would teach their sons some of the bad things women can do, in order to protect their boys, but no...
/r/MensRights23/06/12 08:15 AM
2

if your giving something without expecting anything in return, it's a gift That quote from the Old Testament implies that man is lonely without women. In other words, men need women. Therefore man has already given his autonomy.
/r/MensRights23/06/12 08:06 AM
2

She is likely just using her daughter to take a stab at her ex(s).
/r/MensRights23/06/12 07:53 AM
1

I do want to stress that biological sex and gender identity are different things We are completely off topic. Single mothers don't identify as men.
/r/MensRights19/06/12 06:34 AM
-1

Well I didn't support the reverse one. Also, the backdrop to all this are many memes, commercials, officials, and public opinions thinking that mothers make better parents. And father's day has been attacked.
/r/MensRights18/06/12 09:03 PM
2

It's a lie too. One person, a single mom, can't be a mother and a father. Saying that is like trying to deny that the kids are being raised by a single parent.
/r/MensRights18/06/12 08:59 PM
1

But by calling it a (masculine) role you are saying that male parents can be disqualified as fathers because they act unmasculine to you. I think the idea is absurd and ends typecasting male parents too much. If I have a kid I'm a father if I take care of that kid. Getting back to this post, fathers are male parents who aren't arbitrarily replaced by female parents. There are some single mothers, but they aren't two people who should celebrate mother's and father's day; they are still just a mot…
/r/MensRights18/06/12 08:55 PM
1

You already tried to define it as a role. So let's hear it.
/r/MensRights18/06/12 08:29 AM
1

I don't hear this from feminists, ever. It's more so the myth of women working as much as men then doing all the chores at home .
/r/MensRights18/06/12 05:05 AM
1

In other words they don't replace fathers. Whether you believe a father is a male parent or some ambiguous role, single mothers don't replace fathers. Single mothers are still mothers. Why is that not enough?
/r/MensRights18/06/12 05:03 AM
1

A father is a male parent (biology, but not just). And what, to you, is a father's role anyways? If a male parent stay home does he become a mother? I find it offensive that a day meant to celebrate male parents now has to include female parents just because they raise kids without a man...
/r/MensRights18/06/12 05:00 AM
-2

A father is a father, not just a role.
/r/MensRights18/06/12 01:42 AM
2

It basically days that single mothers replace fathers. Single mothers are single mother, not fathers. I'm not passing judgement on single mothers but just trying to recognize fathers.
/r/MensRights18/06/12 01:30 AM
3

Can't we just give fathers one day in recognition?... Exactly. What do single mothers have to do with fathers day?
/r/MensRights18/06/12 01:28 AM
-3

Single mothers. I don't see why they would need to be recognized on fathers day, a day recognizing the contributions of fathers.
/r/MensRights18/06/12 01:24 AM
3

Well, to be fair, that boy was going to take Arya So the young boy was killed for doing his job (though I didn't see that in the episode) and she later bragged about... That's good. This is the same girl that has men killed just to avoid being found out, yet no attention is paid to how dishonorable this is. And before you make excuses, look at how evil Jamie is seen when he kills to survive. And they had evidence that showed him as the one who tried to kill Bran, which we know but she doesn't. Y…
/r/MensRights16/06/12 07:36 PM
1

Lol! I could frakin hear her.
/r/MensRights16/06/12 07:05 PM
5

They take power, move pieces around, but they aren't the ones being killed.
/r/MensRights16/06/12 06:39 AM
2

All Daenerys does is demand shit, and it ends up happening. I would like to see her have to pay her way like the men.
/r/MensRights16/06/12 06:34 AM
9

Well, yes, 14th century Europe wasn’t a lot of fun if you were a woman Wtf is this moron talking about? One episode involves dozens of young boys being slain just to "show how bad the king is". In one episode a main character (girl) mistakingly kills a young boy and the story just goes on without giving a shit! The girl even brags about it in a later episode... Tyrion treats female prostitutes well but he has no trouble shaming the man the queen is using as a fuckbuddy. Lady Stark takes on an em…
/r/MensRights16/06/12 06:29 AM
1

Oh, don't worry your pretty little head about a career, darlin'!" fashion, and not an entitled "You don't have to work, get a man to do it for you) would be the benevolent sexism. How is choice coddling?
/r/MensRights16/06/12 04:56 AM
2

Conversely, the perception that men have mettle, are self-determining and competent would benefit the men at the top, while marginalizing all those men who are seen to have self-determined their way to sleeping rough. This was not described at all by the WAW phenomena. You're twisting this into another "men have agency and women don't", when what's actually happening is men.get credit for bad and women get credit for good. when you are worthy of compassion, that means that people see you as in n…
/r/MensRights16/06/12 04:48 AM
2

Why do you have to frame everything as a men's issue for you to care about it? Because the women's group find one change that is controlling (forced ultrasound) then group all other changes as controlling when they are not (not funding women's abortions, not paying for women's birth control, not paying for women only cancer screening). The effect of things being framed this way is that women get to keep their privileges under the guise of rights. How is that relevant when the context here is tha…
/r/MensRights15/06/12 06:03 PM
-4

Outlawing abortion is, That is completely different issue from "no masturbation", which is yet I said the analogy us poor. forcing unwanted penetration via vaginal ultrasound It's not rape if that's what your edging for. But I do agree that the legislation is ridiculous and meant to control women. The reason I criticized your statements is because you grouped all the legislation/changes under women's reproductive choices. There is a very big difference between a right and a responsibility that w…
/r/MensRights15/06/12 03:36 PM
5

Because its not plain old sexism towards men...
/r/MensRights15/06/12 03:26 PM
3

In other words woman good, man bad. (Note: this is not an issue of agency. Both men and women are type-casted apart from their actions)
/r/MensRights15/06/12 03:26 PM
-2

It's a very poor analogy.
/r/MensRights15/06/12 03:22 PM
-2

There is very real legislation being put forward and going through that limits women's reproductive choices and accessibility to reproductive health. Expecting women to pay for their own reproductive choices is not limiting women's reproductive choices. defunding of planned parenthood which has affordable STD and cancer screening, etc. So this is about health. Then why would the issue be framed as a women's issue?
/r/MensRights15/06/12 03:20 PM
3

OP thinks all men have Rapist DNA An evolved bahavior can still be rare, take mothers committing infantide for instance. they're mindless slaves People can choose wrong. is powerless to stop these big strong rapists As long as it doesn't involve typecasting men as rapists, or harming the innocent, go ahead...
/r/MensRights15/06/12 01:28 PM
2

The benefit of simulated trials is that they won't contain 'hidden' variables.
/r/MensRights15/06/12 02:28 AM
1

Seriously, this is the reward they get for serving their country. In actually they are so disposable they aren't even treated well outside a war zone... Someone I know from the military confirmed that the military still treats it's soldiers like trash, and would sell them short just to look good. This includes using screwed up rules of engagement, suicide prevention that the military doesn't actually take seriously, and of course the lack of protection servicemen have at home.
/r/MensRights14/06/12 10:03 PM
1

You are my hero! I also go to a UC school.
/r/MensRights14/06/12 09:53 PM
1

I remember you. You're the one that posted loads of links about the wage gap over at mensrightsactivism? I wish I could find that page...
/r/MensRights14/06/12 06:19 AM
4

I actually read as, when women start a family, they actually get to spend time with that family.
/r/MensRights14/06/12 04:43 AM
1

Australian men are in lockstep:they too prefer to work full-time –although, I would like to see the data that supports this claim.
/r/MensRights14/06/12 04:39 AM
1

It may be assumed in the MRM that all fathers would want this Not at all, but there is a clear bias against fathers who do want 50/50 and fathers in general. but from what I know it is only a small percentage of fathers that do I've never seem anything like that.
/r/MensRights14/06/12 12:53 AM
1

Motherhood Still a Cause of Hours Worked Inequality ftfy
/r/MensRights13/06/12 11:14 PM
14

When it was brought up that women tried suicide twice as much as men it was spun as a good thing beucase they were crying for help(help seekers). I'm glad a type of person like this finally admits that many of the "suicide" attemos aren't that at all. Ask your teacher why she didn't victimize men, with respect to suicide, but instead used that as a way to claim female superiority!!! Ask her is she and society are unwilling to help men. Maybe that's why men don't seek it...
/r/MensRights13/06/12 11:12 PM
25

when women murder it is viewed by the courts to be premeditated, instead of men being let off due to crime of passion. Dude, that has to be fearful projection on her part.
/r/MensRights13/06/12 11:07 PM
2

Damnit, you beat me to it.
/r/MensRights13/06/12 11:06 PM
3

The "feminism" that matters is the type that has power and has been enacting change. Sadly it isn't what a good hearted person makes it out to be in their mind. Remember that you don't own a movement, but you do own your beliefs.
/r/MensRights13/06/12 11:04 PM
1

Maybe nutjob isn't the best word but I think people who ignore the core tenant of their philosophy (gender equality) are pretty silly. I think it was sort of an "I gotcha" thing. Currently women are portrayed as the more moral moral sex and this makes them the unquestioned keepers of the children. This portrait of women has also been embrased by the feminist movement, all the books and talk show that are aimed at women and blame men for bad things, and the women's channels which a run amuck with…
/r/MensRights13/06/12 10:51 PM
4

95% of people now agree that both parents should share responsibility for bringing up children and 84% say both parents deserve equal custody rights. This is actually what they said, but 84% is still a large contrast to the way the law is practiced.
/r/MensRights13/06/12 10:07 PM
1

Almost one in ten Britons (9%) believe the mother should have the most rights over the custody of their children. Only 2% think the father should have more rights over the custody of their children Women certainly were empowered in the past, and at the expense of men.
/r/MensRights13/06/12 10:04 PM
2

A good breather, this post is.
/r/MensRights12/06/12 10:48 PM
2

The bathroom scene!
/r/MensRights12/06/12 10:44 PM
1

Same with stolen). They both show the commitment of a father's love. I have been on the receiving end of this!
/r/MensRights12/06/12 10:42 PM
5

With all of this hard time spent pondering fashion, it's a miracle that women are able to find the time to order lunch, let alone climb the political ladder or become an executive at a global company. Men are shallow when they do something like this. When women do something like this we are worried about what they are missing out on...
/r/MensRights10/06/12 05:58 PM
3

does thismean men get cheaper rates because they graciously die early? They cost less...
/r/MensRights06/06/12 01:48 PM
2

No, its shouldn't be blanket. I should only have to buy what I need. And, you shouldn't have to buy coverage for testicular cancer.
/r/MensRights06/06/12 01:44 PM
3

Give that woman full custody. /s
/r/MensRights06/06/12 01:22 PM
2

Men can cater to women too. Read about the expansion of women's, but not men's, health programs in the healthcare bill.
/r/MensRights03/06/12 10:44 PM
5

Lol, people keep forgetting that part which is why they assume this law is baaaaddd for women too. Women aren't (primarily) weak, they're just more valuable by our standards.
/r/MensRights03/06/12 10:32 PM
2

So if our society started to blame female rape victims for their own rape you would call that misandric because it "insults" men?
/r/MensRights03/06/12 10:25 PM
4

He is saying that its ridiculous to call this law misogynistic. Women aren't being seen as weak and then being inhibited. It's more so that women's weaknesses are being seen as something that matters. We should just call this law misandric and nothing else. But because we want to remove this law we have to make women out to be victims of it too... I'll show you what I'm saying be reversing the genders. Imagine that the norm of society was to blame the victim when it came to female rape. As in, w…
/r/MensRights03/06/12 06:30 PM
3

Exactly, its such a fallacy to call that demeaning towards women. It's not making women weaker by forcing them into the safety of the kitchen. It simply allows them to do what they want and get greater retribution for those who harm them. This is indistinguishable from being seen as more valuable, thus your weaknesses actually matter.
/r/MensRights03/06/12 06:12 PM
4

Institutionalizing a sweeping gender generality as a matter of state policy, and applying it across the board whether or not it actually applies in a given case, does not seem consonant with modern notions of gender equality. It isn't consist. It also violates equal protection under the law. This law implies that a man man gets beaten to the same extent as a woman, his assailant will be punished less. It also means that when a women is as lightly assaulted as a man (equaly unharmed) the woman's …
/r/MensRights03/06/12 06:00 PM
6

Women have killed men and everything in between. In fact some studies say women cause more serious injury in domestic violence. But, we only need one case of a woman seriously injuring a man for this law to be unconstitutional.
/r/MensRights03/06/12 05:49 PM
2

Agreed, and weaker individuals can cause any kind of damage to stronger individuals.
/r/MensRights03/06/12 05:48 PM
4

Sexuality too.
/r/MensRights31/05/12 08:19 PM
26

Also, notice that he is black. I'm guessing that is the readable behind the high msm coverage. Basically the public can see a black man as a victim (many of them are). HOWEVER, he is not a big enough victim for people to seek any kind of retribution against that woman. The multiculturalism of feminism is a joke when they don't stand up for black men being hurt by women. Black men get the most accusations...
/r/MensRights31/05/12 08:15 PM
11

Do you think as much money goes to prostate cancer ad breast cancer?
/r/MensRights31/05/12 08:09 PM
25

Tell her that you support her but not the organization which excludes men. What a shady organization to allow men to pay but not really be included. Then see if she supports you.
/r/MensRights31/05/12 08:07 PM
43

Why is she not in jail? He got tossed into jail based on her word. She has gotten money, protection from the government when she lost said money, and now she won't be prosecuted after admitting to a false accusation.
/r/MensRights31/05/12 08:03 PM
1

Only a rapist can stop rape... Boys who get raped by women aren't lucky. Then we have feminists who say that 99% of rapists are men and blame men for rape culture...
/r/MensRights31/05/12 03:30 PM
1

Defendant's Gender Affects Length of Sentence A study of 300 simulated court cases shows that experienced judges, lay assessors, prosecutors, police officers, and lawyers make decisions and convict defendants differently depending on whether they are men or women This is why we point to cases of men getting worse punishments, because the problem is systematic.
/r/MensRights29/05/12 08:21 PM
7

Wtf
/r/MensRights29/05/12 08:02 PM
1

He defended himself. There is no reason to feel threatened from a victim like that. I also don't beat cops on a regular basis so...
/r/MensRights29/05/12 08:01 PM
1

Being compelled by an instinct to act in a certain manner has no moral weight What does this have to do with anything? sending your kids to bed with no supper would be considered child abuse No revealing their intention, but their space of total decisions is circumscribed by the fact that we're programmed not to engineer our own demise That would mean our intention is programmed and much of who we are and what we value is programmed. Obviously much of the basic ways we value and measure life hav…
/r/MensRights29/05/12 07:45 PM
1

What we are talking about, is people who affect an outcome in a way that reveals an intention (rape over death), aka a decision or action if you will. Not that it really matters but we are also talking about a decision in which the individuals were conscientiously aware of their intended outcome. It may not be a perfectly rational decision, though I don't see how you could even argue that, but that doesn't make the action any less true. The "no decision" argument makes even less sense when you j…
/r/MensRights29/05/12 06:44 PM
5

Like?
/r/MensRights29/05/12 02:57 AM
1

I guess I was unclear. What I'm saying is that women should have been going to.war through the ages to defend everything that matters to them (family, land, house, and way of life). I don't really care if they had a vote or not. If they agreed with a war, they should have gone themselves. Also, I agree with you.
/r/MensRights28/05/12 05:10 PM
3

My point was that those women were hypocrites. They had opportunities to risk their lives but they would choose safety in a consistent manner.
/r/MensRights28/05/12 05:05 PM
3

Female leaders in such fields were judged less harshly, possibly because they are expected to fall short in masculine settings, the research team concludes. Yet they were leaders! Furthermore, confirmation bias typically means you would judge the person the you expect to fail so that you could get rid of them ASAP. We just don't come down on women.
/r/MensRights28/05/12 08:52 AM
2

it's because they were considered not competant enough to fight in the army. No, all kinds of cultures have sent young boys, clearly less competent than grown women, to war. Women were less disposable. Aside from that, what does "not competent enough" mean. Women, on average, are less capable than men but they should still help out and share the burden.
/r/MensRights28/05/12 08:18 AM
4

Women were protected in their work Around the world they also retire earlier, even though they live longer.
/r/MensRights28/05/12 08:09 AM
0

Voting doesn't mean crap. If you have things you care about (family, house, land, goods) then you should fight for it and not ask others to fight for you.
/r/MensRights28/05/12 08:05 AM
2

First of all, you shouldn't* tell someone to risk their lives for your cause. Secondly, there was no law against women running in burning buildings or raging rivers to save someone, yet women didn't do that. They were concerned over their own safety, and shamed men who did the same.
/r/MensRights28/05/12 08:00 AM
4

You think they wanted to? They ended up getting the vote without the draft, which should tell you something about their intentions.
/r/MensRights28/05/12 07:54 AM
3

Link?
/r/MensRights28/05/12 07:46 AM
3

We would change the draft laws to include women?!?
/r/MensRights28/05/12 07:33 AM
2

I've always maintained that belief for myself.
/r/MensRights28/05/12 07:31 AM
3

Really well argued!
/r/MensRights28/05/12 07:13 AM
1

Semantical argument which doesn't even make sense. And the people who decided to resist... Probably didn't think they were going to die if they fought and live if they didn't. Most of them anyways.
/r/MensRights28/05/12 07:09 AM
1

simply suggesting that it should be weighted a bit lower No, a decision is a decision. And this one is an incredibly consistent one.
/r/MensRights28/05/12 12:04 AM
5

Brilliant.
/r/MensRights26/05/12 04:50 AM
1

that a young boy is better suited to serve than me. Only suited in the sense of being more disposable. They knew the boy was weak in battle.
/r/MensRights26/05/12 04:38 AM
1

and think that equates to an ultimate fear I never even defined it as a fear. I'm just talking about peoples choices. Choosing rape over death is a decisions people make over and over in all kinds of senarios. So any honest (realistic) kind of advocation should reflect that. As in, it would be dishonest to say "I would rather be killed than raped" in a classroom setting (as one gains victim status) but every time you come to an actual real world decision you choose rape over death. Would you wan…
/r/MensRights26/05/12 04:36 AM
1

fact that instinctual avoidance of death is not nearly enough to discount the psychological trauma of rape, which you are ignoring and arguing around. But I guess psychological trauma doesn't matter to you, This doesn't make any sense. Rape can, and usually does, cause trauma and pain, but people value life enough to the point that they would endure the pain rather than be dead. They see death as worse. That's why people submit to a rapist with a gun, submit to rape in prison, don't kill themsel…
/r/MensRights25/05/12 08:16 PM
1

It was just far too stupid to read the senarios. Not only do I know 99.999% (no exaggeration) of people disagree with you, and would take rape over death, but I'm gonna guess your full of shit when you say you'd prefer death over rape for family members. "suffering for fifty more years" Because they would rather be alive than kill themselves... BTW, the only jab (tangent point) I made was the honor killings thing. Everything else was poignant.
/r/MensRights25/05/12 07:28 PM
1

However, there's definitely no way to gauge whether or not their life would have gone on to suck or be awesome. I can't even begin to define how this affects their potential future utility; all I can do is assign a big, scary "undefined", subtitled, "Shit Sucks". That has no meaning. Most people want to live and place value on life. A dead person has stopped suffering. A rape victim may not stop suffering until they themselves die. It's better to die than pull off a band aid too... I think you'r…
/r/MensRights25/05/12 08:19 AM
1

You don't wait until the draft happens to bring attention to the selective service, that could bring back the practice of the draft whenever needed.
/r/MensRights24/05/12 11:39 PM
1

I'd rather be getting blown apart on the beaches than be forced by enemy troops to rape my mother or daughter. You would prefer them dead than raped?
/r/MensRights24/05/12 11:35 PM
0

Being usable during war is not a "strength" I care for. It's also not the "strength" powerful/rich people care for either. That kind of strengh is a misnomer and should be relabeled tool. Under the assumption that women would be too weak No, we sent young boys to war who were clearly weaker than a grown woman. Males were just seen as more disposable. but being treated like a china doll is extremely disempowering War is not empowering. It does not give one humanity. Being spared war does not take…
/r/MensRights24/05/12 11:32 PM
1

A lot of men wouldn't want to take on traditional female roles, either--you may think the grass is greener, but no one has it perfect and that's partially a function of confirmation bias and only seeing what you want. In a time of war there is no question who has it better or who you would rather be in the picture. Additionally, the burden that most men took on via traditional roles go so far against natural tendencies. Males were beating more, punished more, sacrificed more, worked more, had le…
/r/MensRights24/05/12 11:19 PM
2

Will do. “Students cannot violate Title IX; only schools can be sued under Title IX, not individuals… Moreover, Students ‘are not agents of the school,’ so their actions don’t count as the actions of the school.” Great thinking here. Additionally, if we were to include crime in title IX, then false rape accusations would have to be included too and THEY AFFECT MALES IN GREATER NUMBERS!
/r/MensRights24/05/12 05:39 PM
3

While research assessing differences in reported self-handicapping have revealed no gender differences [16] or greater self-handicapping among females, [3][19] the vast majority of research suggests that males are more inclined to behaviourally self-handicap. So men feel more shamed from their failures (man up) than women. Interesting that women said they felt more ashamed than they really were. Looking at myself I think shame does motivate many of the things I do... I'm not sure how ok with thi…
/r/MensRights24/05/12 05:35 PM
1

A few women doesn't really tell us anything. Some men are trans but that doesn't mean men like wearing women's clothes. So to play typhon's game, how would women like it if they all had to take men's traditional roles?
/r/MensRights24/05/12 05:23 PM
3

Removing one person from a contract but leaving the other to get burned is horrible.
/r/MensRights24/05/12 03:56 AM
0

The women through the ages who didn't go out and fight, like the men did.
/r/MensRights24/05/12 03:55 AM
1

Where is the relevance?
/r/MensRights24/05/12 03:54 AM
1

I think you're comparing apples and oranges; I would much rather be the stay at home parent than forced into war. not speaking up or at all being involved in any sort of anti-war activities (or ANYTHING) Some actively shamed men into war
/r/MensRights24/05/12 03:30 AM
0

when its the warmongers that are telling them they can't fight at my side because I'm just an animal who will be distracted by them. Actually it's because you'd "try too hard to protect them". And chivalry, along with the idea that "women are bigger victims" is not just encouraged by men. And let's not forget all the changes women made with respect to gender over the last 40 years for the sake of 'equality'.
/r/MensRights24/05/12 03:19 AM
3

When women wouldn't defend the village, they forced the responsibility onto men. It was a choice by women too.
/r/MensRights24/05/12 03:11 AM
4

Women had privilege in every day life and many of men's privileges were about turning men into utilities for women. During the great depression there was a huge reduction in the number of jobs available. We ended up giving a large preference towards hiring and retaining men in the workforce. However, this wasn't because we thought men deserved a higher standard of living or that only men could be doctors... We gave men preference in the limited number of jobs left because expected men to fulfill…
/r/MensRights24/05/12 03:10 AM
8

Strawman. Not only does the responsibility always fall on men but men are also subject to selective service along and greater disposability within the military.
/r/MensRights24/05/12 02:36 AM
1

This probably explains it better.
/r/MensRights23/05/12 07:14 AM
1

The qualities I listed WERE very measurable. No, they aren't. And they certainly aren't in real life in which situations are not controlled, thus comparisons between employees based on the 'numbers' aren't fair. There's also the overall assessment of a person and their assumed potential which is subjective, ie not all employers will agrree. So how can you prove the correct decision? I'm just saying that there will be cases when there is no proof of discrimination nor equal treatment, and that th…
/r/MensRights23/05/12 07:10 AM
7

I've always though that black men face the worst of men's issues. Funny how it is supposedly pc to defend black men but those same pc people tend to support all the standards that fuck black men over.
/r/MensRights23/05/12 06:58 AM
6

It's quite amazing that fame, money, and a respectable reputation does not even match the female privilege. Seriously, think about it. The more 'powerful' men don't even have control over their kids because of nameless women. Astonishing...
/r/MensRights23/05/12 06:54 AM
0

Men get paid more because they earn it. That's not privilege. What's worse is that women spend suggesting what men's greater earnings is really about, servitude.
/r/MensRights20/05/12 08:16 PM
2

What are those male privileges?
/r/MensRights20/05/12 08:11 PM
3

Which is a lot closer then the stereotype says. Also, the most predictive factors the rate was attitude over sex, not gender. Lastly, men also though about food, and something side that was basic, more than women.
/r/MensRights20/05/12 12:02 AM
1

There's probably some truth to this. Women are more likely to pay attention to the news if the woman giving the news is dressed in a sexy way.
/r/MensRights19/05/12 11:41 PM
1

Enjoy it, you only turn one once!
/r/MensRights19/05/12 11:38 PM
1

Oh, happy birthday man.
/r/MensRights19/05/12 11:17 PM
1

Is there much advice talking about girls who bring boys down and that boys should choose girls like they would a school?
/r/MensRights19/05/12 11:17 PM
1

Ergo the useful tool.
/r/MensRights19/05/12 11:15 PM
3

She does! "Reach for partners that make you better," Michelle Obama said. "Do not bring people in your life who weigh you down. And trust your instincts. Good relationships feel good, they feel right...It's with the people you surround yourselves with, and that's just as important as the school that you choose." Choosing men like you would a school is fairly dismissive of men... And her advice boils down to "are they of use to you" and not are "what do you both bring to the table". Basically, wo…
/r/MensRights19/05/12 11:07 PM
0

And now we get back to my first comment: if you are giving money to your employees, unless you hate money, you probably want to make sure that your money is being put to good use. Therefore you SHOULD have evidence as to how valuable a particular employee is. Therefore it should not be difficult: None of that shows an obligation to people below you or anything legal. You're getting paid less because Many of the qualities aren't measurable and nor do they prove who is a better asset. we can assum…
/r/MensRights19/05/12 09:38 PM
2

In the business world the burdern of proof is often on you. Who is you? In cases where there is no proof for or against discrimination, why should we assume discrimination?
/r/MensRights19/05/12 08:32 PM
9

Can you imagine him as a psychologist... He thinks that men's lives are less valuable than women's.
/r/MensRights19/05/12 03:21 PM
5

So he didn't have a single logical reason. He just saw women we more valuable.
/r/MensRights19/05/12 03:17 PM
1

Well, from what i've read women aren't as assertive at asking for pay starting out as much as men are. I'm not so sure its that. What I saw in the studies is that women are more likely to take jobs with more work/life balance, more non pay benefits, flexibility, less travel, and less risk which can lead to less pay (still compensated) within similar jobs. Their also more likely to take time off, take sick days, work less overtime, etc...
/r/MensRights19/05/12 02:42 PM
2

interesting, I hadn't noticed that before. The issue I have is that they still teach people that abuse is overwhelmingly done by men. it's probably one of the only ones that shows: female perpetrators of abuse... Have you noticed that shows and movies are willing to show women as active heroes but rarely as the villains?
/r/MensRights19/05/12 02:21 PM
1

To be fair, the show is about sex crimes, and the majority of those actually are committed by men. Maybe not. Either way the rates are a hell of a lot closer than the show would gave you believe. We also know that women rape men at as often as the reverse. pdf
/r/MensRights19/05/12 02:08 PM
2

It's not a math equation. But either way you should just as well support the onus of proof being on the employee to back up their accusation of discrimination. The problem I have is that in cases where there is no proof either way, we will just assume discrimination. And if this works out like I think it will, discrimination will be assumed to be against women... forcing employers to discriminate against men. Like I've said before, thus us the same country which automatically gives women full cu…
/r/MensRights19/05/12 01:33 PM
1

In their work reviews? That's begging the question.
/r/MensRights19/05/12 01:25 PM
1

Whilst most people on MRs actually want equality some hint hint, I just explained how it does lead to discrimination but you ignored it because I suggested women would get the advantage... Probably. How would you feel if they got paid more because they were the bosses child/partner? That's exactly what would happen if this law is enacted. It will lead to discrimination as people try to make it look like their not discriminating. In reality, every male dominated field will pandering to women and …
/r/MensRights18/05/12 08:09 PM
3

Good, there's more potential for men to be the choosier in dating. It also seems related to men paying for women. If we placed more emphasis on women paying for men, we could get that result without disrupting dating too.much.
/r/MensRights18/05/12 06:46 PM
6

Hearing why and proving why are two very different things.
/r/MensRights18/05/12 06:37 PM
0

Except when it comes to men retiring later or laws that give automatic full custody to mothers in Israel.
/r/MensRights18/05/12 06:36 PM
0

There are dozens of reasons I can think of to pay someone more for the same job. Can you prove all of them in every case? If you get a group of bad women who lack these better qualities, but you can't prove it, you will have to treat them better than they actually are.
/r/MensRights18/05/12 06:33 PM
-3

That was discussed in.psychology class? Wow, finally placing some blame on women for crap that happens!
/r/MensRights18/05/12 06:17 PM
5

That may be the case now Ya... So that's the reality. I remind you of the stereotypical dad reaction to his teen daughter becoming sexually active? Is the shotgun for her or him? When the teenage couple got drunk and had sex, who would we blame for the "rape", the girl or the guy? Guys usually slut shame villify the crap out of other males sexual behavior, before they shame the princess. It's also often used by men who have been rejected, and lash out against the woman with the strongest insult …
/r/MensRights18/05/12 06:12 PM
0

How about we prove that custody and prison sentencing is not discriminatory in every single case?
/r/MensRights18/05/12 06:01 PM
3

Shifting the burden of proof to the defender is not ideal That's horrible. That means when there is no actual discrimination, but a person can't prove it, they will have to start discriminating. You would just be putting a huge chain on an employer in which they will be found guilty just because of the circumstances.
/r/MensRights18/05/12 05:59 PM
1

Slut shaming is a sexual strategy for women and it plays out against men's wishes. It doesn't cone from the genders in equal forces. It usually comes from women.
/r/MensRights18/05/12 05:48 PM
1

It also includes female perpetrators attempting to force male victims to penetrate them, though it did not happen. What is this?
/r/MensRights17/05/12 08:55 PM
1

Let's just cockold everybody.
/r/MensRights17/05/12 03:13 AM
1

First off, parents should support their own kids. Secondly, single parenthood is a bad for the kids.
/r/MensRights17/05/12 03:10 AM
2

It's not work. Plenty of parents do real work and then raise the kids. And throughout nearly all of history real work had to be done by both patents.
/r/MensRights17/05/12 03:08 AM
1

Men can get raped in two ways. Either by being forced to penetrate or being penetrated. So the percentage of who rapes them is need not be the same as the percentage of being forced to penetrate.
/r/MensRights17/05/12 03:01 AM
1

If you exclude same sex victimizations I'm guessing that's already mostly excluded in the category of men being forced to penetrate.
/r/MensRights17/05/12 02:58 AM
2

I'm pretty sure most the men forced to penetrate where raped by women.
/r/MensRights17/05/12 02:55 AM
1

Did men being forced to penetrate include attempted? As a side note, I initially wrote "forced to rape" instead of "forced to penetrate". I hate the current phrasing...
/r/MensRights17/05/12 02:55 AM
4

You mean Hilary may have been wrong in thinking that women are the primary victims of war?
/r/MensRights16/05/12 11:53 PM
3

Mothers who murder their kids are less likely to kill themselves than fathers who kill their kids. Either case is the complete opposite of love but it's mothers who more often try to "get rid of the problem".
/r/MensRights16/05/12 11:50 PM
-5

Very right, calling dibs is a way for men to respect each other and avoid competition. It should be a bonding experience for men.
/r/MensRights15/05/12 12:23 PM
1

It also makes her appear to be a better catch, because she must have other guys chasing her.
/r/MensRights15/05/12 12:19 PM
5

It also says that men don't care about the children they create. Apparently the most important thing about a pregnancy is how if physiologically affects the women as opposed to the life that is brought into this world. Her views are female centrist.
/r/MensRights15/05/12 04:52 AM
6

Bring this to the top!
/r/MensRights15/05/12 04:33 AM
2

I'm saying that the women had an option the men didn't. And survival is more important than sexual autonomy. The same goes for marriage. Giving the choice between maybe starving to death, or definitely being raped every day? I think you talking about the loss of dignity wrt forced sex vs the hardships of grueling work. But I think we simply lack the language for how demeaning and abusive a horrible job can be compared to living with a slightly normal spouse. It's not in our experience so we have…
/r/MensRights15/05/12 04:25 AM
22

If ladies don't complain, then why is it that the movement meant to represent them is ALL about complaining?
/r/MensRights14/05/12 07:32 PM
31

She can't play against men. She can't get more viewers than men. She isn't as consistent as the men... So she insults them when she can.
/r/MensRights14/05/12 07:31 PM
3

I didn't suggest they were mutually exclusive.
/r/MensRights14/05/12 07:25 PM
2

I noticed that the only person talking about a female cause is the author. Is the author reflecting Kim well?
/r/MensRights14/05/12 08:26 AM
3

Here's the meet of it for me. The market for women may help explain why such a high proportion of defectors are female. “Women can sell themselves easily,” says Kim Tae-woo, president of the Korean Institute for National Unification. They sense they can hide within a forced marriage or brothel, he says, though they may not have quite imagined what they were getting into when they crossed into China. “Men are more conspicuous, more active,” says Mr. Kim, as they move from job to job, earning very…
/r/MensRights14/05/12 08:25 AM
1

Maybe at some point they'll look at bullying via gossiping and grouping, ie some of the ways women often harass.
/r/MensRights12/05/12 11:32 PM
3

They should be happy enough men gave them technology.
/r/MensRights12/05/12 03:06 PM
14

He respects Casey Anthony. What a champ!
/r/MensRights11/05/12 10:46 PM
2

Girls will date guys regardless and the more guys who don't pay for dates the less necessary it will become. It just a matter of what people can get. Interestingly, during wwii women would pay men for dates seeing how their were less men around. Now that women make more, the trend should change with some effort.
/r/MensRights11/05/12 06:35 PM
3

"We can still say women earn less than men over their entire career... but they do make around 80 per cent of the decisions around spending," said Tina Di Vito, head of BMO's retirement division.
/r/MensRights11/05/12 06:28 PM
4

I have several married friends who make jokes about getting an "allowance" every week from their wives. The jokes about men submitting to their wives are getting really old.
/r/MensRights11/05/12 06:23 PM
3

Basically women have the corporate and election interests.
/r/MensRights11/05/12 06:21 PM
1

Now who do you think drove the dynamic of men working and women staying home (or working less)? And to add to the title above, married men make more money than single men. This suggests that men aren't working their way up the latter out if pleasure or ego, but instead, to support families and women. I don't think it was women who are the primary victims of the traditional dynamic...
/r/MensRights11/05/12 06:20 PM
0

The primary issue is time spent. Women aren't "in a “double burden” or “second shift”."
/r/MensRights10/05/12 07:00 PM
-5

"...a female-headed household with a family income of at least $103,000 is likely to give to charities, on average, nearly $1,910, or $1,000 more a year than a similar household in which a man controls the checkbook." Women spend more money (which is actually less charitable...) So in a female headed household less money will go to the man. In a male headed household more money will go to the women. In the later case their is less money for others.
/r/MensRights10/05/12 06:55 PM
5

Basically, the testosterone = selfish and aggressive myth.
/r/MensRights10/05/12 06:50 PM
1

It would also be interesting to see what they donate to. I'd bet that women were much more likely to donate to female causes.
/r/MensRights10/05/12 06:49 PM
1

Is there some symbolism there? I don't get it.
/r/MensRights10/05/12 06:29 AM
3

But the talk has been about getting girls, as a class, into school. That also makes it sound as if boys, as a class, do have an education, which is untrue. The talk on education has been missleading imo and it should be regularly states that the country needs more education, boys included. It's also true to say that many boys aren't educated and many have been forced into dangerous roles.
/r/MensRights10/05/12 06:21 AM
3

over 85% of education in the southern provinces (where the fighting and the Taliban is) is male. Ya, but that doesn't mean many of males got education. Historically the country has not been very educated. Literacy is only 28%.
/r/MensRights10/05/12 05:14 AM
3

Can you cite the Afghanistan remark. The main point about work discrimination is that it has clearly been far more addressed and far more reduced than home discrimination. In fact its likely that men face more discrimination at work. In what ways do you think women are discriminated at work?
/r/MensRights10/05/12 04:58 AM
2

It's not the same.
/r/MensRights10/05/12 04:44 AM
2

Why don't we arrest people we suspect as being false accusers, better safe than sorry.
/r/MensRights10/05/12 04:37 AM
2

Only men can rape, and if they rape themselves we lock them up.
/r/MensRights10/05/12 04:35 AM
1

When governments punish innocent people they become the criminals.
/r/MensRights10/05/12 04:32 AM
4

Is say that female supremacy has a lot to do with making female problems out to be more important. Examples: Girls not going to school in afg. vs boys being forced to take arms + no school Women's free bc vs men's bad health + bc Crime towards women vs massive crime towards men Phantom discrimination of women at work vs institutional discrimination of men at home
/r/MensRights10/05/12 04:20 AM
13

That's sexist!
/r/MensRights09/05/12 04:14 AM
1

Maternalism" literally just has to do with anything relating to motherhood, i.e. "maternal instinct." Then that would be a huge part if the problem. The definitions are designed to make men look powerful, even if that's not the reality. There are other forms of domination. I'd recommend the book, "the manipulated male" (i think), written by some German woman from back in the seventies.
/r/MensRights09/05/12 01:57 AM
0

Don't see it.
/r/MensRights09/05/12 01:45 AM
1

So almost all of my friends have a more paternal asian philosophy Or maternal... Guys can get a lot of shit from women for staying home. I don't have any plans myself, because I won't know till I have kids.
/r/MensRights09/05/12 12:17 AM
1

I meant at the time : )
/r/MensRights09/05/12 12:11 AM
1

Part time would be ideal for me.
/r/MensRights08/05/12 11:41 PM
1

Have you brought it up to guys? Actually, what did your girlfriends think?
/r/MensRights08/05/12 11:40 PM
2

Force her to have an abortion... Wow I never wanted kids with you anywayso now I'm going to leave? He already said he didn't want kids. What is the lesson here? Only have sex with someone you want to have kids with?
/r/MensRights08/05/12 11:26 PM
3

I have no idea where people are coming from, especially since your only twenty and most people aren't looking for a spouse at that age.
/r/MensRights08/05/12 11:24 PM
2

So in other words, "at some point, when you get around to mentioning kids, I am going to tell you that I intend to leave you to have them with someone else". What if she didn't want kids? By your argument it would be immoral for her to not tell him. And if she did want kids, she should still tell him in case he doesn't want kids. So either way, she should have told him seeing how the assumption is that they will stay together forever...
/r/MensRights08/05/12 11:20 PM
6

it's that you intend to end the relationship sometime in the future and she might notknow it. Why? The assumption is not that the relationship will be permanent. That's just a particular plan. If someone does want a permanent relationship should they should make that clear, for the sake of themselves and so s/he doesn't emotionally blackmail the other person. They also need to find out about other kinds of deal breakers like kids, location, and marriage. Basically, you need to make yourself clea…
/r/MensRights08/05/12 11:18 PM
1

"Bitch" is derogatory term. It's a term for bad women. Just like jerk and asshole are terms for bad men. Why would pointing out bad women be offensive to all women.
/r/MensRights08/05/12 02:04 PM
1

And what would you do?
/r/MensRights07/05/12 10:54 PM
2

I remember hearing about one who made it very far in a tournament...
/r/MensRights03/05/12 05:08 PM
6

This action would contradict the law. It would imply that girls have more opportunities than boys.
/r/MensRights03/05/12 04:39 PM
27

Because there isn't a male feild hockey team. So he went to the (mostly) female one. That's exactly what girls have done.
/r/MensRights03/05/12 04:38 PM
8

Then please read this
/r/MensRights03/05/12 04:32 PM
4

Girls have beaten boys in a boy sports. According to the opposing argument, the girls matter more than the boys in a girl sport. So in all fairness the boys should matter more in a boys sport. And if a girl is beating some boys, then that us not fair...
/r/MensRights03/05/12 04:27 PM
20

as one of the league's top scorers So he's not even the top... his playing could prevent an all-female team from making the playoffs, Newsday reports. So what. He counts less now?
/r/MensRights03/05/12 04:26 PM
9

How is it unfair? Is it unfair when a girl beats a boy in wrestling due to greater talent?
/r/MensRights03/05/12 04:21 PM
6

Because they have an undying loyalty to the men they would overwork in the industrial revolution (women were protected from this) or the men they would they would indirectly send to war/death. Men aren't utilities that can be replaced by a woman who.does the same work for less, men are valued brothers.
/r/MensRights02/05/12 07:10 PM
2

I also doubt they account for commute time (men willing to commute for the higher pay), non money benefits (women getting more flexibility), sick days, overtime, travel, and hazard.
/r/MensRights02/05/12 07:05 PM
1

Why do men earn more but still use less disposable income?
/r/MensRights02/05/12 07:02 PM
4

Kat Banyard, author of The Equality Illusion, says men make the mistake of fearing feminism when it offers them liberation from an outdated masculinity. "There's a belief that feminism is a zero sum game and that men are losing." Really... Then why so threatened?
/r/MensRights02/05/12 06:57 PM
16

And the past. I can't stand these feminist who spike say that a (forced) breadwinner is a privilege. Reverse the genders (making sure we give men a bunch if protections and women a bunch of obligations) and see how much women like it.
/r/MensRights02/05/12 06:55 PM
3

The other issue is that men's problems did not start from feminism and feminism itself has actually employed the old gender system. Feminist theory is completely based off of the old gender ideals. That men are violent and controlling while women are good and humble. Never mind that women are violent in the home but wouldn't dare pick up a spear to defend the village so that men and boys didn't have to bare the entire burden. Never mind that women encourage competition amongst men, thus setting …
/r/MensRights02/05/12 06:46 PM
2

Not all that stuff was accounted for. But again, the onus is on those claiming discrimination to prove it. Its not good enough to just find mystery and then assume a cause. That, plus an established history of discrimination, is probably why that's the first culprit fingered Doesn't matter... Not to mention all the senarios where women do make more money than men. In tech jobs it does look like men are discriminated against. The problem I have is that people don't assume men are discriminated ag…
/r/MensRights02/05/12 02:09 AM
6

There's also non paid benefits, hours commuting to work, sick days, and more that separate men from women. I wish people would stop showing a pay gap and assuming its due to discrimination. They have to make that case.
/r/MensRights01/05/12 10:21 PM
2

Hymowitz says, “the famous gender-wage gap is to a considerable degree a gender-hours gap.” Right, and who is getting the worse deal?!?
/r/MensRights01/05/12 10:18 PM
1

Prove it : )
/r/MensRights28/04/12 10:13 PM
1

By the writting I haven't seen you get emotional about a boys issue. But I have seen it in other, related, things. Not that I've even seen much of your writting though...
/r/MensRights28/04/12 09:06 PM
1

I think there is that aspect to it but the over ridding theme is that women can't do bad... We know a women are completely capable of killing men in their sleep. One women cut off a man's penis while he was asleep and the hosts on "the talk" laughed. We also know women are capable of hurting and killing babies, but society just can't accept women intentionally committing sick acts.
/r/MensRights28/04/12 08:56 PM
1

You're very touchy about the old system yet you seem very calm and reserved about the new system. That is, boys doing worse in school + less custody, less alimony/child support by gender, greater punishment by gender, less healthcare, and generally victimized more with little to no recognition. Boys are having it far worse than girls under the previous system. There were tradeoff back then. But what do boys have now?!? You have one too. You must see he has a disadvantage in pretty much anything …
/r/MensRights28/04/12 06:02 PM
1

Even still, you could have women and men love the men they know but still be perfectly content sending millions of men to be slaughtered in war for some crap cause.
/r/MensRights28/04/12 05:50 PM
3

You say that masculinity promotes violence. It does not. Women commit just as much domestic violence. But the perception of men being violent and women being non violent is why men's needs go unaddressed. BTW, its not that people simply think women can't hurt men, its that they think women won't hurt men. Peolple know women can abuse children yet most people can't comprehend that women commit the majority of child abuse. In other words we perceive women as more moral and thus less violent.
/r/MensRights28/04/12 05:47 PM
5

The idea that men are strong and super masculine promotes both domestic violence towards women No, it promotes male to male violence, as part of competition. Women being seen as delicate flowers allows them to commit as much domestic violence towards men as the reverse but not be held responsible. You are perpetuating a gendered myth that is wrong and leaves men unprotected.
/r/MensRights28/04/12 04:52 PM
3

That's actually pretty accurate. But when you seek power and resources ay the expense of another... That is more than uncaring.
/r/MensRights28/04/12 04:43 PM
3

The theory that men oppressed women and men had unilateral privilege was wrong. It has set up what we see today. The problem is that women did have power and we are giving into demands without question.
/r/MensRights28/04/12 04:39 PM
1

I was talking from the personal perspective and I think it is a disposition that men would need to earn their value. I said it to add context. It was a sick game all around. I don't want to go back to it. Fully agree, but the place we are going is one that privileges girls in education while making no providing obligations. (Thats why women have more disposable income as we speak. Women's earnings are theirs and men's earnings are half theirs.) In other words we are giving females privileges wit…
/r/MensRights28/04/12 03:38 AM
1

We agree!!!
/r/MensRights27/04/12 08:04 PM
1

The way you talked was as if it was only degrading, in the sense of being beneath the other group, towards women. You should read about the industrial revolution and how subhuman men were seen.
/r/MensRights27/04/12 08:03 PM
1

Not true on either account. Do remember the woman who won for South Africa in the 800m? It took a whole team to determine her sex and eligibility. Besides, why would it matter how readily you can divide people?
/r/MensRights27/04/12 07:58 PM
2

It was out of need. Boys needed education to increase their value and get a family. Now the trend is educational bias towards girls while boys have no biases in their favor that would protect males and obligated females to support males.
/r/MensRights27/04/12 07:53 PM
1

Girls "outperform" boys. (Never mind our obligation to boys) But when its the reverse boys are privileged and girls are held back. So, females act when they do good, males act when they do bad, and everything else is just something that happens.
/r/MensRights27/04/12 07:39 PM
2

while there is usually some upset with a non-dominant race winning the sport the dominant race excels at. Looking at the races... There are essentially no whites, mestizos, or Asians in the Olympic 100m Sprint in the Olympics. When was the last time a non black guy won the 100m? Non blacks are essentially out of the competition. However, between genders; the disparity isn't even close. It's a difference of leaps and bounds. There are some ethnic groups who are very small or some tending to be ob…
/r/MensRights27/04/12 05:43 AM
2

Part of the job, part of the pay... I think its even taxed. To balance out the practicle pay they could pay the cooks more or split the tips since service is nothing without the food.
/r/MensRights27/04/12 05:36 AM
7

The same types that say "being a mommy is the hardest job in the world". Completely accurate appraisal...
/r/MensRights27/04/12 01:51 AM
2

This is social dogma, why does it belong at work?
/r/MensRights27/04/12 01:50 AM
2

The question I wanted to ask (just as a musing), why have a gendered sport? We don't have racial segregation when blacks dominate or asians are hardly found.
/r/MensRights27/04/12 01:44 AM
3

Irrelevant to his problem. You souls like you're just giving a red herring.
/r/MensRights27/04/12 01:43 AM
1

Also, the option men don't have is the better one.
/r/MensRights27/04/12 01:40 AM
1

Or how bout the way only women were precluded from working inhumane hours of labor during industrial revolution. Men had to wait for unions to advocate for their workers/human rights.
/r/MensRights27/04/12 01:39 AM
1

Yes, dealing with people and making more money is far more degrading than doing the grueling work in a back room.
/r/MensRights27/04/12 01:36 AM
7

But notice how the ones doing the real work get paid less.
/r/MensRights27/04/12 01:30 AM
3

It is very unacceptable. Not only is your workplace segregated but your employer doesn't even try to balance things out. You guys do the harder mode dirty work and you make less!!! Have any of the other guys noticed this?
/r/MensRights27/04/12 01:29 AM
7

Women are born handicaped, got it.
/r/MensRights27/04/12 01:25 AM
1

Why not let him play?
/r/MensRights27/04/12 01:20 AM
5

It's not a female dominated sport because women are better at field hockey, No relevance.
/r/MensRights27/04/12 01:18 AM
0

That's what sports are ALL ABOUT. Why have girls sports?
/r/MensRights27/04/12 01:15 AM
2

Even after revolution, women are consistently used for political grounds by crony political parties. This!
/r/MensRights26/04/12 04:50 PM
6

? They were saying the woman aren't oppressed. Those women are locked in a gender role but so are men. Just imagine the fulfillment women would have if they had to be judged by their work and status. Before they could get a family they would have to work for it. And once they had the family they would have to support that spouse. In the backdrop women in iran are more educated than they men. my guess is that the burden of creating earnings forces men into the working world at once and doesn't al…
/r/MensRights26/04/12 04:49 PM
3

The funniest thing is that nobody is challenging them. Wtf!
/r/MensRights26/04/12 02:55 AM
5

I've never heard anything like that in person. I wonder if someone has criticized me behind me back on that idea.
/r/MensRights26/04/12 02:53 AM
7

Freedom is having the agency to be locked up for life, killed, and blamed for things while in the proxy of women. Men bask in "agency"...
/r/MensRights26/04/12 02:39 AM
4

Rights, priorities, it's all the same... Have you heard of women's right to free birth control?
/r/MensRights26/04/12 02:35 AM
1

We need to spend billions because of 3 women a day... Fear based politics.
/r/MensRights25/04/12 06:33 PM
11

"I got locks on my doors right now," he added. "Is somebody going to have to die? Is it going to be me before the court does something and get this woman out of my house? It's absurd." He tweeted when he was scared and the police weren't acting. Maybe the tweets helped...
/r/MensRights24/04/12 07:02 PM
1

Lol, you can see it a "other discussions"
/r/MensRights24/04/12 06:01 AM
0

She said less fathers are the primary care givers but that she, and her program, wouldn't offer any aid to fathers. Unconstitutional! BTW, why would fathers be considered any less important. And when have we ever used the fact that men tend to be the breadwinners as a reason not to fire the men. That would be sexist..
/r/MensRights24/04/12 05:56 AM
0

Only men are lost causes! And they say we give men agency...
/r/MensRights24/04/12 05:46 AM
25

Holy crap, the nfl sub is having an awesome discussion.
/r/MensRights24/04/12 05:44 AM
5

Great picture!
/r/MensRights24/04/12 05:34 AM
24

News is gonna get out about him. At least this way he has some control.
/r/MensRights24/04/12 05:34 AM
2

Are women gold diggers?
/r/MensRights24/04/12 05:22 AM
37

if she can't afford the kids because of her dumb plan, then she shouldn't be the gaurdian. It's not like single motherhood is generally good for the kids even when its funded. To prevent this from becoming an endemic, make the mother that loses her kids pay child support. We currently do this to men and they don't even have abortion.
/r/MensRights20/04/12 04:47 PM
2

The analysis of the ruling... I'm in full agreement with you.
/r/MensRights19/04/12 03:02 PM
1

It's about the child My logic had nothing to do with that. I just consider consent to cause pregnancy that important; that and the fact that lack of consent would be why he has to pay cs. If a boy got raped then forced to pay CS, I consider rape the primary issue. But the latter is still horrible.
/r/MensRights19/04/12 03:01 PM
1

Doubt it, they probably really do care are more about her "right" to biological motherhood even if it means forcing a man into bio fatherhood, forgoing his consent. BTW, the explanation I just gave is pretty damn scary because it means the courts just empathize with women more, while seeing men (and their fundamental rights) disposable to the needs of women. This women is ultimately taking away a man's consent for her preferred motherhood (bio) and the situation doesn't even look good for the po…
/r/MensRights19/04/12 08:45 AM
0

He consented to a frozen embryo, to give himself the choice of implantation. He did not consent to implantation. So he is being forced to impregnate her without his consent. The issue is consent. She has no right to use his stuff to get pregnant.
/r/MensRights19/04/12 08:40 AM
2

I see: no legal paternal surrender I am definitely not talking about social fatherhood; I'm talking about biological fatherhood. Biological parenthood is respected as a couples sacred choice, and not forced or denied (except in rare cases) by any outside group. In similar types of unions, such as sex or marriage, each partner must give consent for it to happen. If one person wants it and the other doesn't, it should not happen. I consider the act of conceiving a child a much more sacred union, a…
/r/MensRights19/04/12 06:53 AM
1

It's not his problem. If we can force him into biological fatherhood just to give her biological motherhood, which completely ignores bodily autonomy, then we should force healthy women to let unhealthy women use their womb.
/r/MensRights19/04/12 06:26 AM
2

It's about consent to fatherhood. His genetic material is an extension of him. People are thinking its just plain material since its out of his body, but thats just the way the technology works but the procreation issues are the same. since biological lineage is something held as being extrinsically valuable That's wgat this whole case is about. The mother wants to steal/force his biological lineage so she can have hers. The only reason they are in court is because he is her only option...
/r/MensRights19/04/12 06:24 AM
7

Apparently avoiding adoption is more important than the ex-husband's right to not have a child. Yes, perfect analysis! The woman's desire to have biological motherhood is more important than the man's right to consent to biological fatherhood! Is there anything else like the above decision?!? They know biological parenthood is sacred. The courts are just forcing the man because she has no other option. That is evil.
/r/MensRights19/04/12 06:18 AM
3

Consent to fatherhood is a sacred right, stronger than consent to sex. I'm not primarily concerned about child support...
/r/MensRights19/04/12 06:15 AM
6

His wife said she wouldn't expect it. (They live in Germany I think) But that's nor what I see as the main issue; it should be about consent to father kids, you're biological gift. Forcing someone into fatherhood should be seen as worse than forcing domineering into sex. The travesty is him not having the right to consent to something that is very sacred in and of itself. Child support is just a secondary issue. If someone were raped and had to pay their rapist, payment would be the secondary is…
/r/MensRights19/04/12 06:13 AM
1

I really do think a child benefits most from that. Except that they are losing out on the other parent which is typically the father. So now we have a nation that has mostly been father deprived for some time. It needs to be worked on somehow.
/r/MensRights18/04/12 02:36 PM
3

I agree with every bit.
/r/MensRights18/04/12 02:16 PM
1

Women working would ay least allow men more option. And women always worked, apart from post industrial times when domestic work became unproductive.
/r/MensRights18/04/12 02:15 PM
2

by people who have been brainwashed into thinking that 'staying at home with the kids/being a homemaker' = loafing around, sponging off of a man, and being lazy. How about those who think fatherhood deserves a fair shot?
/r/MensRights18/04/12 02:13 PM
2

In short they think male competition implies male privilege because men are at the top (over other men).
/r/MensRights18/04/12 02:11 PM
3

Equality was long overdue, not feminism.
/r/MensRights18/04/12 02:07 PM
1

When she divorces you you don't get any work from her but you have to work for her.
/r/MensRights18/04/12 02:03 PM
1

war on women... I could care less to fond someone to blame or perpetuate the term.
/r/MensRights18/04/12 02:00 PM
2

Wtf
/r/MensRights17/04/12 07:19 PM
1

If a woman wants to be the family's paycheck earner, then let her When did you get the idea that I didn't want women to work and how is my analysis incorrect? Most of the times the man is laughed at for being effeminate, because it's the woman's job and being like a woman is degrading. I would love for this to change and it would require that we see men as having more inherent value, instead of the tradition where men.must earn their value.
/r/MensRights17/04/12 07:05 PM
1

Men earn more money but women spend more disposable income, ie men are giving money to women.
/r/MensRights17/04/12 05:07 AM
2

which would redefine family violence to include the withholding of financial support and psychological abuse. Which is beyond abusive and allows women to legally own a man's labor. Denying a gift is not abuse! Why don't we take away consent to sex while we are at it?
/r/MensRights16/04/12 08:54 PM
2

It's cool, it seems like we (me included) have a different sensitivity to the terms. Anyways, thanks for the link.
/r/MensRights16/04/12 08:51 PM
2

Monumental!
/r/MensRights16/04/12 04:31 PM
3

Distraction. Leave out that kind of politics, please.
/r/MensRights16/04/12 04:28 PM
7

The draft. Totally fucking serious.
/r/MensRights16/04/12 03:32 PM
8

I always think about the hours worked gap, the difficult major gap, the time at home gap. About the only time I've seen women criticized for sitting at home, not doing real work, was from the woman criticizing Ann Romney. So, while you can't call a woman spoiled/out of touch by comparing her to a working man you can do that if you compare her to a working women. I saw other people make clear distinction between women who work and women who don't.
/r/MensRights16/04/12 03:30 PM
8

I am a man so I like being blamed for everything because it makes me feel important and connected. Wtf goes through men's head when they work for women then get blamed for "holding women down"?
/r/MensRights16/04/12 03:22 PM
5

It's technically not about the total numbers, its about the numbers than.can be gained. If many men became part of a swing vote, they'd have a better shot. It's far off but mra's would have to go with the immediate issues and not be loyal to a party.
/r/MensRights16/04/12 03:18 PM
7

Ya, maybe its the competition thing. I wonder if the same happens to women when they have to work. At least female employers don't pay women any more than men do, suggesting they don't act in a biased way towards women.
/r/MensRights16/04/12 03:15 PM
1

"You can't be half a father, and half a not, under the law," she said. Bullshit, you can have child support without custody. But if you call yourself dad that automatically makes you a full on father?
/r/MensRights15/04/12 03:36 PM
5

From the point of conception... She unilaterally chooses a dead fetus or a baby. All you can jointly choose is conception, which won't imply a baby or terminated fetus. You just give her the choice.
/r/MensRights15/04/12 03:20 PM
1

He already gave up his embryo He gave away possession. Each step requires consent regardless of whether he has to act. What happens to the embryo now does not affect him at all. This is a stupid statement and would justify sperm jacking. Obviously biological parenthood affects people, that's why the woman wants it.
/r/MensRights15/04/12 03:57 AM
1

No, he didn't. Those are two seperate choices and each requires consent. There is even a clause to reinforce this idea. You are arbitrarily grouping the two decisions as one, like making out is giving up sex...
/r/MensRights15/04/12 03:51 AM
2

The cop was a good exampl.
/r/MensRights14/04/12 07:47 PM
4

Old men, young men, weak men have always been doing dangerous jobs. There's all kinds,of dangerous jobs that don't require much strength.
/r/MensRights14/04/12 07:42 PM
3

There are quotas which dont include dangerous jobs/death with is extremely unfair to men. Also, society has the goal of women earning higher pay with the breakdown of gender roles. It is only more important to have this goal for men taking on all the dangerous risks as reflective of their traditional roles. And the only institutional discrimination I can find that forces someone to work their gender role is the draft. So men's disposability in the workplace is important to point out.
/r/MensRights14/04/12 07:36 PM
1

I need a little more information but tl;dr
/r/MensRights14/04/12 07:32 PM
2

It's not that simple. One person is being forced to pay. Should they have zero protection and the person receiving money has nothing to prove?
/r/MensRights14/04/12 07:27 PM
1

I tried to leave this comment but I don't have an ID. A court has already taken custody from a parent and forced that parent (most likely a man) to pay child support. It's actually pretty severe make a person financially support kids they aren't allowed to take care of as actual parents! After all this don't you think the payer has the right to make sure the person taking their money Is not on/buying drugs? If you have to pay that much you should know where the money goes. Anyone can repost this…
/r/MensRights14/04/12 07:21 PM
2

abuse: There is also the fact that women commit more child abuse and child killings yet women are hardly ever kicked out of the home. Men are blamed for dv and kicked out of the home for it yet women can abuse children and there are no national initiatives anything close to VAWA. When men are kicked out of the home for women's protection bit women aren't kicked out of the home for kids protection one would assume that women are prioritized in the home/family. custody: men face discrimination in …
/r/MensRights14/04/12 07:13 PM
3

http://csulb.edu/~mfiebert/assault.htm Hundreds of scientific studies on the rates of dv that support gender symmetry There are bunch showing that the women cause higher rates of injuries than the men. The studies also involve the different races in America and Canada, along with some other very different nations. It's an mr staple!
/r/MensRights14/04/12 06:56 PM
10

That almost sounds zero sum as,if someone has to face unwqnted pregnancies. It's worse than that. Feminists took away women unwanted pregnancies but they (along with white knights) also guarantee a slave to a woman's unilaterally chosen pregnacy.
/r/MensRights14/04/12 06:50 PM
6

Fortunately, other brave and intrepid women are carrying on the War Against Mom. Then by admissions the war on fathers was won with stay at home moms. Men need more than just costody by law, men need actual custody which is time.
/r/MensRights14/04/12 06:44 PM
7

And yes. The guys statement they men can do more damage becomes factually wrong if the guy is bound to "never hit a woman".
/r/MensRights14/04/12 03:34 PM
2

Add to that, the defender Jang suppsed to be "equal" the defender is supposed to be better so that they can stop the abuse... It's great if you can stop the abuse and not engage a 50/50 likekyhood of stopping that person.
/r/MensRights14/04/12 03:30 PM
3

How fucking dumb are they. Men get beat up by women all the time. They would let themselves get knived, headbutted, shoved into a table by surprise then kicked, kicked in the balls repeatedly, broken nose,... I'll bet they would allow a weaker man to do the same.
/r/MensRights14/04/12 03:28 PM
5

Great job! Really. The one minor tweek I would suggest in a situation like that is focus on the ability of women to hurt men, before you get to the fact that women rape men. I guess you could deal with both if you talk about the way women have injured men (or threatened) for sex. This includes knifes, guns, overpowering the guy, mutilating his genitals (ripped his ball off!), and so on. Another tactic is attacking "no woman deserves it" by asking if Casey anthony is a lady. All n all great job.
/r/MensRights14/04/12 03:24 PM
1

So basically you can't justify your position and so far you've only given rationalizations. Isn't it odd that you would shout 1984 when someone said that fathers with custody must spend large amounts of time with their kids but you actually endorse a man being forced to impregnate his wife only to satisfy her desire for biological motherhood?
/r/MensRights14/04/12 03:09 PM
1

He doesn't need any reason. It's his choice.
/r/MensRights14/04/12 01:33 AM
1

Should be both, but I would be most happy if custody was transferred from the abusive parent.
/r/MensRights13/04/12 09:44 PM
1

However, IF he's doing out of spite, then I think that's wrong. Why is that entering the argument?!?
/r/MensRights13/04/12 09:20 PM
1

There is no other reason for a couple that anticipates one of them to become sterile to artificially create an embryo other than to gestate it. 1) there us still a choice to implant or not. So he did not choose implantation, you are only trying to force that choice on him like as a spermjacker or rapist. Also, ever heard of a preparation?!? As in to give yourself one option, you must first do something else? 2) his original intent doesn't matter. You can change your mind at any time you still ha…
/r/MensRights13/04/12 09:17 PM
1

But you're not arguing about child support, you're arguing that it's his DNA code. I'm talking about biological fatherhood! You know what it is. It's also something that should be consented to and seen as an extention of the man's physical and spiritual being. By that logic, then, he "owns" 50% of his children, the rest of their lives, and 25% of his grandchildren, and so on. I don't think there's any legal precedent. You have choice over your materially and each step of progression until that e…
/r/MensRights13/04/12 09:00 PM
1

But the "women and children first" rule is now seen as the normal way to behave in emergencies. ... But they say their findings show that behaviour in real life-or-death situations is best captured by the expression "every man for himself". ... The analysis showed that the gender gap in death rates has narrowed in disasters since World War I. Not really sure what's being said.
/r/MensRights13/04/12 04:12 PM
2

BTW. If you want to put it in terms of stealing, his material, an extension of himself, can't be used beyond what he agrees to. Anything else is stealing.
/r/MensRights13/04/12 03:48 PM
1

Awesome! Aren't you the guy who led me to that site over a year ago?
/r/MensRights13/04/12 03:36 PM
2

That question was actualy about consent, that's the key idea here.
/r/MensRights13/04/12 03:21 PM
2

I loved it because I want to see all kinds of people point out male issues. I want male issues to be a common talking point.
/r/MensRights13/04/12 06:44 AM
3

A woman at any point in her motherhood can say, "You know what? I don't want to work anymore," and just quit. A man does not have that flexibility. Why doesn't he extend on this?
/r/MensRights13/04/12 06:39 AM
2

Upvoted for the (sad) truth.
/r/MensRights13/04/12 06:33 AM
1

The "bastard" deserved it...
/r/MensRights13/04/12 06:06 AM
3

Only funny when it is ironic. I don't think anybody was laughing at the prison rapes in Shawshank Redemption or American History X. That's because you saw the rape. The problem is that people won't connect the horrific scene to the prospect of some guy/boy being raped. They picture something else. BTW, Norton was a racist murderer in the movie. Further, if she were killed through this punishment and humiliation, I think most would say "good riddance". Take a look at the slap on the wrists we giv…
/r/MensRights13/04/12 06:01 AM
1

The three women were a bit more of a surprise to me. It seems more rare for women to make light of male rape (though they can certainly minimize it in many many ways). It's also more shocking/taboo because women are the deemed victims of rape so they should show understanding.to men who are raped...
/r/MensRights13/04/12 05:55 AM
2

Yes. Can I steal.a dead man's/woman's reproductive material?
/r/MensRights13/04/12 05:18 AM
2

I'm saying, that's not a legal issue and never has been (that I know of) in reproductive cases Consent to reproductive use of genetic material... Yes it is. The courts admit that. That it's not right to take away someone's only chance at having kids for no good reason, and definitely not out of spite. He is her only chance. Too bad! He is spiteful now?!? He only wants a kid with the one he loves,creal spiteful.
/r/MensRights13/04/12 05:17 AM
4

He had a say. He consented to creating the frozen embryo, not the impregnating. Your logic is, he consented to cumming in a condom therefore he had a say when she impregnates herself. against his expressed wishes as expressed from the beginning What?!? This is more like a guy knocking a girl up consentingly or even enthusiastically and then changing his mind several months later There is nothing similar. I think you are trying to use female biology to.win an argument again. Sorry, but this time …
/r/MensRights13/04/12 05:12 AM
2

It's based on impinging on someone else's physical bodily autonomy. And that includes his genetic material and whether or not it creates life. You think you have a say over a baby inside you but he has no say over his life giving body? He is not being forced to have sex... That is an extension of him and requires his permission. By your sick logic the embryos belong to the doctors since they did the work. I got mine, bitch-- go fuck yourself." Not cool. He can say that to anyone at any find. Bei…
/r/MensRights13/04/12 04:55 AM
3

If you willfully do not have any involvement in a child's upbringing, what makes you that kids father? If biology doesn't matter, the mother should adopt.
/r/MensRights12/04/12 10:12 PM
2

So your not a father if you don't have to pay?
/r/MensRights12/04/12 10:04 PM
3

The deed has already been done. It is, but we are talking about implanting the pre embryo and creating a child which is something totally different. but those pre-embryos are also the woman's And just like fucking and conception it requires both of their consent to go to the next step, not one person.
/r/MensRights12/04/12 09:21 PM
1

People place less emphasis on men's reproductive rights than women's sexual rights.
/r/MensRights12/04/12 09:15 PM
1

Once the stuff is out there, there's a chance that a circumstance will occur where it can be used without your knowledge What are you talking about? The doctors can give it to another couple? What does it being removed have anything to do with possession?
/r/MensRights12/04/12 09:11 PM
8

Wanting to be a mother is not a cause to take away consent of fatherhood. That is just like a desperate spermjacker.
/r/MensRights12/04/12 09:07 PM
2

The issue there, as clearly shown by various rulings, is not the use of his genetic material, but the use of her body as incubator. That's not realted to anything. What are you arguing? The pre embryo in not in the woman so her want does not trump his right to consent. The analogy to abortion is that we should over ride the woman's right to abortion for the sake of the mans guilt.
/r/MensRights12/04/12 09:00 PM
4

Consent you fucking idiot. That is still his stuff. He never sold it to the government or to his wife.
/r/MensRights12/04/12 08:58 PM
3

He consented to a pre embryo, he is not consenting to anything further which include a child.
/r/MensRights12/04/12 08:57 PM
3

and there is no future burden on him in this decision, Shows how much you care about consent.
/r/MensRights12/04/12 08:15 PM
3

His part in this, in this case, is done. Wtf does that mean? He has a say over his own material and whether it creates a child. Nice spermjacking logic there! I'm not a robot that draws absolute lines and refuses to budge from them for anything. Because you have no idea what you're saying. Oh, and I love your sympathy for mommy hungry woman but you see no problem with taking away a man's consent to fatherhood. You made zero mention of it. "Gee wizz, what's the problem. He won't be held liable." …
/r/MensRights12/04/12 08:11 PM
4

I don't think he's being obligated to do any of those things. ... He us being forced to do something else that is just like it. In all those cases both parties have to agrree to agree in taking the next step. This next step in implanting a pre embryo/ creating a child. That is pretty rammed important! He has the right to consent to creating a child. So how does that make her an ass, either? When did I say that? She only wants a kid, period, and this is her only way to do it (biologically),atall,…
/r/MensRights12/04/12 08:03 PM
3

the court is restraining him from taking the step of destroying embryos that already exist. No, more than that. they forcing the next step on him in which his ex uses them for pregnancy, without his consent. Even the courts admit this, lol. he's even been legally exempted from support. so your point is invalid It was never about that. It's about both parties having to consent to a child. If he doesn't want too, then she shouldn't implant the pre embryos for a kid.
/r/MensRights12/04/12 07:51 PM
8

Dude just concede the point if you lose, don't find some other post to argue. Fuck, concieve, or birth were all related examples. The court is forcing him to take a step in creating a child, to create that child.
/r/MensRights12/04/12 07:35 PM
6

It was already done No, that's what they are discussing... Whether or not to make a fetus.
/r/MensRights12/04/12 07:11 PM
5

Recently in the west. As in a precedent a modern court would use.
/r/MensRights12/04/12 07:07 PM
3

Because of a medical condition, she cannot have biological children without using the embryos. There is no right to motherhood. He is not obligated to give her motherhood even if he is the only path to that. So when can you force a person to have sex, conceiving, or carry out a pregnancy against their will. Lets say I get a woman pregnant and she wants an abortion. But would if I consider that so horrible and that it will make me very very depressed? Should the court force her to carry out the p…
/r/MensRights12/04/12 06:47 PM
2

Divorce is the idea that two people must continually give consent to stay in marriage. This is similar to how we view conception, both parties must consent despite whatever promises they may have made.
/r/MensRights12/04/12 06:38 PM
9

And when has woman been forced to fuck, conceive, or not abort because of the man's feelings? This is just a desire of a woman to bring a kid into the world alone, which isn't even great for the kid. So a desire for motherhood trumps the man's right to consent including when the kid doesn't have the best prospect. And we wonder why courts don't send mothers to jail.
/r/MensRights12/04/12 06:35 PM
6

Nobody is obligated to have sex, conceive, or birth a new fetus. Does not matter what course they took beforehand. I don't think the guy is an ass either. He only wants a kid with someone he loves, which is actuated good for the kid too.
/r/MensRights12/04/12 06:22 PM
8

You shouldn't be able to force someone to conceive, there is no precedent remotely like it. The same goes for sex (both parties have to agrree) and a woman can even unilaterally terminate a pregnancy, which is after conception. The bit about focusing on her needs over his rights is messed up. Now he has to have a kid just because she needs one and he us the only way...
/r/MensRights12/04/12 06:20 PM
2

Lol, no. The men/man will get the kids and most the money will stay with them (the state will get some from handling it...)
/r/MensRights12/04/12 06:59 AM
2

Except this almost is a zero sum game.
/r/MensRights12/04/12 06:27 AM
1

Eventually it gets insulted and stops.
/r/MensRights12/04/12 06:26 AM
6

It really really frustrates me that gay rights is about getting more men married and more men in the military. How the hell does that happen. These are Luke the worst traps for men... Letting the state divy up your earnings or letting them sent you to war, even by drafts... Ya, gays are men and I want to see their actual rights improve.
/r/MensRights12/04/12 06:25 AM
2

Speaking for myself, I'm all for gay couples. I want them to be accepted by society. I also think that marriage, and the state that comes with is, is a horrible idea for gay men (straight men too). I would rather us get rid of marriage all together, at least state marriage. So, I agree with the intent but disagree with the execution, in regards to actually helping gay mrm. Oddly enough, as some other pointed out gay marriage could upset the very very gendered court system in divorce. You know, g…
/r/MensRights12/04/12 06:18 AM
1

That study only added the severity of reported pain. Doesn't really answer anything. I can guarantee that it is socialized to a degree.
/r/MensRights12/04/12 12:44 AM
2

And see what happens then! Actually I don't think he is that stupid, nor is his staff. He would problem defer to some proposal on training women for better jobs. As for creating programs that help give fathers more time with their kids... Nope! Men just get shaming on fathers day.
/r/MensRights12/04/12 12:23 AM
2

It would be great if we could force the issue on Obama. Either he admits there is good reason or he could try to pay women more which is idiotic and undermine his administration.
/r/MensRights11/04/12 10:59 PM
5

I have evidence to show that we see girls as being morally and intellectually superior to boys, or how about you not use strawmen?
/r/MensRights11/04/12 10:49 PM
1

Either women need to be less biased in their voting (such as health instead of women's health) or men need to start becoming more biased. Of course the problem of the latter is that the kids can get ignored. That's how I see breast cancer funding.
/r/MensRights11/04/12 10:11 PM
31

Both share their versions of a romance gone awry. He's giving talking time to a rapist... The kid was 14?
/r/MensRights10/04/12 10:34 PM
0

From a cultural perspective, Blakeman noted that the "burden of not being employed" can weigh more heavily on a man than a woman. In the USA Today/Gallup poll of swing state voters, men listed the deficit and national debt as their top issue. For women, the top issue was health care. Lol, I wouldn't call the latter communitarian, its more like taking benefits. (That's not a party critism, just criticizing the fact that women worry more about benefits and less about working)
/r/MensRights10/04/12 12:35 PM
1

Privilege like the boy soldiers. Those oppressive boys.
/r/MensRights08/04/12 09:12 PM
1

shouldn't women be supporting each other? They do, in a huge way. But this is going to change once they have to compete like men. Let's throw in some "men are more powerful" victimology in the mix. Ya, as soon as she used the quote (from a show... lol) about men being the predominant perpetrators I had a good idea she would blame men on women's abuse. Female abusers can't even be rare, they have to be victims of men.
/r/MensRights08/04/12 09:04 PM
1

Raver says that while the study did not delve into the reasons why women tend to single out other women for harassment, part of the reason may relate to their perception of men as being traditionally powerful and therefore more difficult to target, while women - who have traditionally held less power in the business world - are easier to bully. OR, women are learning to form heirarchies in a competitive world. Welcome to this "power".
/r/MensRights08/04/12 08:55 PM
1

I was using the term sex properly, you just failed to see what I was referring to. You assumed I was talking about your (sex) experience as opposed to your part/consent to sex. I even defined it for you... Fun waste of time not talking about ideas.
/r/MensRights08/04/12 02:13 AM
1

This is getting semantical but I have been saying, our sex as in the sex we offer. I said our sex because it is more encompassing and accurate than our sex appeal. I'm not just talking about appeal (to look at and converse with), I'm also talking about the prospect and recollection of sex with us. I'm talking about that sex involves two people and when one of them is paid they have more value engaging sex, their sex. By point is to question men paying for sex, men acting nice to their wives for …
/r/MensRights07/04/12 07:34 PM
9

Yes, we want women in the kitchen making sandwiches while we men have all the fun at work. That's what we men stand for. It's so dumb to take that joke serious. Most men want women working so they aren't forced to do it all themselves. Telling a woman to go to the kitchen is essentially telling a man to go to the factory. But of course we only see one side.
/r/MensRights07/04/12 07:12 PM
3

Or they don't work because they aren't as vulnerable via relationships and government protection. It's no surprise that they aren't more vulnerable - men are the ones in jail or on the streets. The real surprise, sorta, is that women spend more disposable income than men. What benefit do men get in this system?
/r/MensRights07/04/12 02:49 AM
0

I meant our sex as in what we offer as individuals. It devalues your sexual appeal, the sex you offer. You value the sex she offers but she values the money, and not the sex you offer. I can't tell how to value the act of sex, I'm only saying that your sex appeal is devalued when you pay.
/r/MensRights07/04/12 02:36 AM
2

The craziness in women stems from the simultaneous attraction and repulsion to power In this case they want to use that power... Which means they have the power. Guys also have submission fantasies because we want to be seen as inherently valuable too.
/r/MensRights07/04/12 12:31 AM
1

They are a peasant girl in the Hungarian farmland and being ravaged by a handsome German soldier or some shit. They are not imagining being violated by some disgusting fuck, bleeding, utterly fearing for their life. Of course its someone she wants. She gets that person by controlling his desire and self identity, which is what the rape fantasy is about. They are imagining enjoying the act of being used sexually, vigorously, being dominated as a slave/submissive/etc. etc. Not a slave, a valuable …
/r/MensRights07/04/12 12:28 AM
2

In sex you want somebody else, you want/value her more than the reverse. If she doesn't want to use her body with you she doesn't value your sex.
/r/MensRights06/04/12 10:00 PM
3

You consider your value/contribution to sex lower than hers, so you pay for it. She considers her own contribution to sex greater so she makes you pay.
/r/MensRights06/04/12 09:56 PM
1

You're going to do things for sex; regardless of situation. Pretty ambiguous. Do you pay for friends?
/r/MensRights06/04/12 09:52 PM
0

your sex is devalued.
/r/MensRights06/04/12 09:50 PM
0

How about we not devalue our sex by paying for it anywhere?
/r/MensRights06/04/12 06:46 AM
0

Lol, but we are mostly a young group. At least here, that is.
/r/MensRights06/04/12 06:43 AM
2

So its for accusations? Anyways, how about getting black men on board. Seriously, feminism actually claims to.represent minorities even though they fuck over black men more than any other group of men. I would like to see you test out that pool. I believe in you, you bi female single mother mra!
/r/MensRights06/04/12 06:41 AM
10

I haven't seen anything productive from srs'ers coming here. I wouldn't care if we banned them.
/r/MensRights06/04/12 05:55 AM
1

Why, and who is actually criticizing us for being young white men? Edit: aren't young white men the ones who do revolution?
/r/MensRights06/04/12 05:48 AM
2

Hivemind rules!!!
/r/MensRights06/04/12 05:46 AM
1

You are allowing them to set the terms of the debate, forcing yourself into a defensive posture, rather than assuming an offensive posture that the MRM is correct and feminism is wrong. That's not really it. She thinks she has high viewership because she is a female and that we therefore need women to speak for us. Or its that we need to appeal towards women, because things don't get done without them. If that's true.. how the fuck are we changing anything. If we have to cow tow to women here, t…
/r/MensRights06/04/12 05:45 AM
1

That's why I would be happy getting rid of the incentives, the 50/50 split. It pisses me off that people call it fair when a mom gets half the assets on top of the extra bonding she had for being at home. But what I was trying to say in the previous post is that we shouldn't have different laws for men and women in order to keep the marriage affloat because it will hurt men. It will sell men short, and force them to provide for ridiculous women. In fact I think we should do away with marriage al…
/r/MensRights06/04/12 05:12 AM
-1

I'm also wondering if any of the women here might be interested Facepalm, men can't advocate for themselves...
/r/MensRights06/04/12 04:40 AM
7

a personable and decent chap She is a generous person.
/r/MensRights06/04/12 04:03 AM
-1

Dude, that was so fucking funny. At first I thought you would make some generalization or insightful comment, but then.... Wham.
/r/MensRights06/04/12 04:02 AM
2

Sometimes we are advocating laws sometime we are just spreading ideas. Here we are showing that men are vulnerable in marriage and the outdated but still common idea that men need to commit. In other words we are fighting culture. But don't believe in any gender based law.
/r/MensRights06/04/12 03:34 AM
5

You're supposed to interpret the meaning/relevance of statistics so you can make decisions, navigate the world n all...
/r/MensRights06/04/12 01:04 AM
5

How the hell do you get the idea feminism wants independent women. Independent from their husbands wishes but hugely dependents in him and men.
/r/MensRights06/04/12 01:01 AM
0

Every once in a while, I'll see a "foreign bride" article in here, and they always annoy me. I usually make fun of, and down vote the poster. Now I realize, that I've got no basis for comparison. I've never been with an American woman. My bride is foreign, and she is awesome. I don't mean to offend you, because i don't resent your motives but foreign brides are the antithesis of men's rights and should be mocked as much as possible. So they are grateful that you have given them a better life... …
/r/MensRights06/04/12 12:59 AM
3

I'm not trying to change them, only the unfair incentives and application of the law.. If men are naturally more commited then so be it, but it would be bad for men to force them in marriages with women.
/r/MensRights06/04/12 12:25 AM
4

It takes two people to be in a relationship but it only takes one to end it... That's what we are focused on, one person unilaterally ending a commitment.
/r/MensRights06/04/12 12:13 AM
3

We would only need to show further evidence that women responsibility in divorce if its men being divorced. If it were women being divorced we would know women are the victims without checking any other senarios.
/r/MensRights06/04/12 12:11 AM
4

In court Barcus told "I understand the attention I gave him was inappropriate, and that wasn't my intention," to the judge. "I saw a boy with no food, no clothes, no housing, and it broke my heart." Ya, you took a vulnerable young boy and fucked him. Depraved asshole!
/r/MensRights05/04/12 03:46 PM
1

Comment on the site.
/r/MensRights05/04/12 03:42 PM
2

This is why feminists still advocate unbalanced rape laws. Women aren't harmed to nearly the sane degree as men.
/r/MensRights05/04/12 03:35 PM
1

It's not 10%. The percentage false rape claims is definitely much larger and might hover around 60% If the cops assumed the accuser was correct then they would want to arrest someone, breach of justice, the person they did investigate with motive is actually more likely to be a victim than the accuser. That's totally unfair.
/r/MensRights05/04/12 03:31 PM
1

People, yes. Cops, no. Cops should take the complaint serious but they should not assueme the accuser is correct and identify with that person. It would only interfere with investigation. Cops affect both side and they should not identify with one.
/r/MensRights05/04/12 03:22 PM
1

Serious question, if defense rights are upheld do we need the cops to look for signs of lying? Of course, things can't be balanced when only one party has anonymity. Instead treat complainant sensitively as victim, and look for ways claim could be true. That's not a cops job and that implies assumption of guilt which is bad for the accused. You should NOT identify with the supposed victim.
/r/MensRights04/04/12 11:49 PM
3

Women hold other women down, not men/patriachy. And they don't do it as victims, they do it out of self serving mentality. At least male competition is productive to society which can allow questions about whether men are being used. However, things like slut shaming, and holding back pretty qualified women does not serve society as a whole.
/r/MensRights04/04/12 11:42 PM
1

That's certainly a whole lot of self one would have to have to feel that one can claim that all members of a group make up a self Feminism puts stock in women being a mass instead of individuals. They want to have benefits that way (quotas) and be universal victims. That way women don't gave to earn things or take blame for bad behavior. In other words feminism wants women to lose individuality and become a gender/object.
/r/MensRights04/04/12 11:38 PM
0

I see, the patriachy is making women act in self interest. Women don't naturally act in self interest by competing against other women.
/r/MensRights04/04/12 11:34 PM
1

It's usually not specifically dealt with.... Though I have heard quite a bit of resentment towards the "whiney" friendzoned guy.
/r/MensRights04/04/12 07:26 PM
1

I would have told her, "oh, so you're just doing a late abortion." "Maybe your mom will get sone sense too."
/r/MensRights04/04/12 03:22 PM
1

Ty
/r/MensRights04/04/12 03:18 PM
1

Yes, but when a man ditches one woman for another he is a pig. When a woman does the same, even planning it ahead of time, she just wasn't treated right...
/r/MensRights04/04/12 03:01 PM
3

Because some people still see commitment as a female thing even though women plan to replace a man or dispose of him. It's just another example society not recognizing the way women can use and hurt men in relationships. We only tend to only vilify male sexuality and if you say anything bad about female sexuality for the protection of men, you are being misogynistic. Try warning a son about toxic female sexuality in public. Try talking about toxic female sexuality on tv or on Facebook. Then, try…
/r/MensRights04/04/12 02:59 PM
2

I've noticed that type of thing on Facebook A LOT. Guys who enable women doing bad stuff against another guy. I've even seen guys respond positively to the good old "I hate men'. I'm soo temped to call one of the guys a submissive bitch.
/r/MensRights04/04/12 02:45 PM
2

He might not know how to. Can you do it and send it to him/her?
/r/MensRights04/04/12 02:42 PM
2

The woman is called crazy and told she and her friend give women a bad name. So she responds by blamer her bahavior on female reproduction. Fucking brilliant! Not sure why the photo was cut. She was about to argue female superiority and abdicate responsibility.
/r/MensRights04/04/12 02:41 PM
1

I'm saying women aren't discriminated at work in general, which includes them being able to risk their lives on the job in most situations.
/r/MensRights04/04/12 04:20 AM
1

Ever think women want to go into those jobs but are not hired for discrimination? Discrimination does not apply today and you clearly missed the point if the post. Men did the hardest work with much less reward/respect, as in no land, no payout, and no right go vote. The conditions were much worse than then they are now too. So to say that women only need a but more money to do the job is ludicrous. Also, aren't men the ones who cause the most workplace safety violations? What?!? I talking about…
/r/MensRights03/04/12 11:43 PM
1

If they can sacrifice your life they do own you.
/r/MensRights03/04/12 05:45 PM
2

That's what the male heirchy is all about, helping the men on the bottom. Clearly!
/r/MensRights03/04/12 05:45 PM
8

No, you're wrong. All factors considered and men aren't paid any more. I'm sorry you can actually be convinced that bosses who compete against men and fire other men for any kind of profit actually have some vested interest in paying men more at the expense of profit. which apparently isn't the goal anymore... When was it yours? Women in tech are paid more dispite the fact that men generally work longer hours, commute longer to work (in search of pay), take less benefits for greater pay, take le…
/r/MensRights03/04/12 06:59 AM
3

Are you trying to argue something?
/r/MensRights03/04/12 06:37 AM
1

I wonder if this is similar to women slut shaming each other. Basically, tear another woman down to you don't have to do as much.
/r/MensRights03/04/12 01:07 AM
7

if women are given equal pay perhaps more would be willing to join the labour intensive among men. Guys have been doing the shit work since the beginning of time whether they got anything from it or not. Men defended the land, men went to war without the right to vote, men worked the most hazardous jobs for the tiniest pay. Women do get as much but even if they didn't their conditions would be infinitely better than the men working those sane type of jobs over a hundred years ago (no regulations…
/r/MensRights03/04/12 12:55 AM
2

Practically side bar material. In fact...
/r/MensRights03/04/12 12:49 AM
3

This isn't a deadbeat dad. Why do you assume that? And im happy for your bloodlust of recreating indentured servants (being chained for failure to pay) but what kind of a mother would ask for more money than the guy makes? What kind of a society would ask a father to pay more than he makes? How much does the mother make? Studies show a far lot less than what full custody single dads make. The mother would actually have the kids father thrown in jail for not earning enough (what are her earnings)…
/r/MensRights02/04/12 07:11 PM
6

Without a dad! And where us the onus in the mother to provide? She just demands more from a father that's in jail...
/r/MensRights02/04/12 03:42 PM
0

Do they have to? But the answer would be, "how can we force poor mothers to get raped".
/r/MensRights02/04/12 03:41 PM
3

Feminism fights for men too!
/r/MensRights02/04/12 03:40 PM
1

@ 5:50 Why the fuck does an agreement with the ex have to be made? How is it just to give an ex direct power over his situation? Is the assumption that the mother is always good/right? Only one parent gets that insane assumption and total power over it.
/r/MensRights02/04/12 03:39 PM
13

He is dead wrong. The tradition in non Jews of the west really got started in the Victorian era. The explicit pupose was to oppress men's sexuality, primarily aimed at stopping masturbation. They thought it would cause the man too much pain to do it with a circumsised penis. And in the bigger picture we tend to view male sexuality itself as vilineous, so it made sense that we tried to suppress it. This plays out today in the form of "daddy answering the door with a shotgun" cliche, because of co…
/r/MensRights01/04/12 08:44 PM
2

They'll still take out more than they put in due to women's longer lifespan, a huge advantage in itself.
/r/MensRights01/04/12 08:17 PM
11

It's just America that's weird anyways.
/r/MensRights01/04/12 08:11 PM
7

He resents not having a choice in the matter Wouldn't it serve to strengthen the male body bond if your husband then gave his son the choice. It would be like "I know what its like to have me penis cut without choice, and I can see how you would feel about it too, so I won't do it". I don't think the kid will feel an ounce of awkwardness once the dad explains it.
/r/MensRights01/04/12 08:10 PM
3

"But can we trust men to take the male pill, and not get us pregnant on purpose?" Projection.
/r/MensRights01/04/12 01:49 PM
1

Having freedom means you can take criticism for the choices you've made, direct or indirect.
/r/MensRights31/03/12 05:57 PM
1

You are ignoring biology Biology has nothing to do with fathers getting more time with their kids, like all of history apart from this awkward breadwinning model, no production mother. It's a blimp in history that's not natural. I hear there are unequal parenting roles going on there as well. Funny, a father who dedicates to basically give all his resources for 18 years plus to his kids, thus he is as commited to that set of kids as the mother, yet you think actual interection should be hugely b…
/r/MensRights31/03/12 05:51 PM
1

By comparison to the one staying home, they one who is allowed to stay home because the other one works for two away from home. Ya, that's less time.
/r/MensRights31/03/12 05:33 PM
1

One parent is somewhat steralized, not totally, but they are marginalized.
/r/MensRights31/03/12 05:28 PM
1

or do you prefer 1984? Because that's the logical conclusion of people putting the good of society above themselves to the extent you're describing. Having freedom means you can take criticism for you decisions, direct or indirect, not run for the hills screaming 1984 because you feel insulted.
/r/MensRights31/03/12 05:25 PM
2

Men in the video become increasingly agitated and pace around, while the women in the video laugh I don't think ill watch it. Sounds too fucking enraging. Just a distraction for me. The men wanted to see him defend himself?
/r/MensRights31/03/12 06:25 AM
0

Yeah, being able to eat and turn heat and water on and pay rent is more important than extra daddy time or extra mommy time. The study I showed.proved that time as fatherhood was more important than time working out of poverty. Poverty! Hubhy doesn't need to be taken from kids for more than that. My husband does. I don't pressure him to. It's not about you and what you want. It's not about you and what you want. Its not about you and what your husband wants. It's not about you and what your husb…
/r/MensRights30/03/12 11:51 PM
1

But that's not a reality. It was never a reality, from when we first met. Justify yourself all day with that. Actually, yes, I would. I could visit her at home, and/or he could bring her to see me at the office. In addition, I wouldn't have to rush through her dinner to go back out and pick him up from work, but we'd be able to actually eat a family meal together. It would be nice. But your passion.was family and motherhood and that's why you logically stayed home. Notice at no point did I make …
/r/MensRights30/03/12 11:37 PM
2

I'm not getting into a further argument with you on the realities of mother-preference and pumping vs. breastfeeding, other than to say that I couldn't possibly appreciate them myself without having lived through them. Privileged argument. there are benefits to actual breastfeeding that have nothing to do with the milk itself. That fathers can replicate without mothers existing... touch and encourage men to lactate. They can but that's not likely going to happen. He provides the majority of the …
/r/MensRights30/03/12 11:23 PM
0

and have low pay Does that matter more than fatherhood?!? Pay. Where is the line? instead of the father taking on another job part time and not being around even more No! Not "another job part time", simply more work and less time at home with the kids. Thats what a stay at home mother does to a father. The fact that time, not just over time but time, correlates to a kids success means that a fathers time with his kids is more important than his earnings beyond poverty. It shoots to hell the ide…
/r/MensRights30/03/12 11:08 PM
1

And, like dannyigl, it would actually enable him to see her more Uhhh, him staying home and you working would allow him to see her more. Bonus: you would get to see your daughter more too! (Even though thats a lie) You keep trying to deny the problem of a parent working as the breadwinner. It is a problem! It does deny fatherhood. It is not natural. I didn't call you evil but it annoys me that you are denying the huge problem.
/r/MensRights30/03/12 10:41 PM
1

I said the mother shouldn't use gender roles to force anything, by shaming or other tactics. Which contradicts you saying that women are more important in early care (assuming you were arguing to make a socially relevant point as opposed to simply justifying your situation in which apparently your husband was bad with the mid...) Honestly, all this should be discussed and worked out well ahead of time. ... My husband knew from pretty much when he met me that all I ever wanted to do was to have a…
/r/MensRights30/03/12 10:37 PM
2

I said that babies show a mother-preference early, and it only increases. (That's what I meant by more important...) You have not shown that, or that it would even matters. So your just trying to argue against fathers staying home early on, in favor of mothers staying home, based on your loose unfounded ideas. You're not supposed to bottle feed at all for at least a month, to avoid nipple confusion. ... and it IS an immense pain in the ass, if you'd ever pumped milk before you'd know this Denyin…
/r/MensRights30/03/12 10:30 PM
1

Pretty good.
/r/MensRights30/03/12 08:12 PM
1

But I really wonder if they will provide for men the same way men provided for women. Socially and individually, that is.
/r/MensRights30/03/12 08:09 PM
2

You have a point but young women still have a lot more social programs. And the transfer was never about balance. Women earn less but spend more! We have to change our culture, not just how much women make.
/r/MensRights30/03/12 08:08 PM
4

You can bet your ass that would happen if men lived longer. It would "just be right"
/r/MensRights30/03/12 08:05 PM
2

I didn't view it as a racial divide. I saw it as men generally being disposable, and that this becomes expressed in a huge way when men have to deal with being black, gay, poor, etc...
/r/MensRights30/03/12 08:03 PM
2

I'm trying to figure out how to convince black guys that their share a lot more in common with white guys than white women. The latter is what feminism argues.
/r/MensRights30/03/12 08:01 PM
3

The later retirement, and longer work days, are a big part of shy men are dying younger. Not that long ago the men and women's lifespans were much more equal, which could have changed because women's workload got eased a huge amount.
/r/MensRights30/03/12 08:00 PM
2

Their objectifying you too when they want you to look. They see you as just another pair of eyes, in their attempt to get many others.
/r/MensRights30/03/12 07:55 PM
2

That's stupid. People working for the company and the stockholders don't want some pretty ditz messing up the company because some boss like what he sees.
/r/MensRights30/03/12 07:54 PM
3

Finds wonderbra poll... That's what you call advertising.
/r/MensRights30/03/12 07:49 PM
1

Didn't you say a mother shouldn't use her gender to get the father to work for her?
/r/MensRights30/03/12 07:40 PM
1

It is not some evil conspiracy plan made by women to devalue fatherhood. Regardless of why it happens it does devalued fatherhood and it is only recent that fatherhood became minimized.
/r/MensRights30/03/12 07:12 PM
1

Major premise: There are studies that suggest that newborns recognize their parents from birth Minor premise: Obviously they're going to be most familiar with the mother's voice, then the father's. Conclusion: mothers are more important to infants Wtf is that? That's not logical in any way; I won't even bother in picking it apart. Show me any study that mother are more important to the infants at birth. A father just can't compete with that. It's called a pump! Use it instead of tauting your gre…
/r/MensRights30/03/12 07:10 PM
1

Myself and others have indicated that fathers get more time and influence That's factually wrong! You have far less time for being the breadwinner. If you can lie about reality I don't know how any study which shows that even in low incomes families actual time with the father is correlated with the kids success, time which is lost earning money, would ever get you too see that fatherhood requires actual interaction.
/r/MensRights30/03/12 06:56 PM
1

there's really very little way to do that Completely untrue. Having both patents work part time, of low hours of full time, or trading places would deal with that. I don't catechism if there is an economic hit as long as it actually allows fatherhood. There was one study showing that time, not just having a father in the family, was very important to childrens development even in low income families. So even in low income families its not good for the father to abandon or be kicked out of the ho…
/r/MensRights30/03/12 06:52 PM
1

No one is saying it has to be the dad that works How often does alimony or child support support a stay at home father? Better yet how often are women, who stay home, willing to let the guy stay home? The situation is not fair when the women is unwilling to support the man but the man would support either of the woman's choices.
/r/MensRights30/03/12 08:06 AM
2

If a couple wants children they have to rely on the system that nature has bestowed on them. This is a cop out and now your suggesting there is one way... I'm talking about after pregnancy, when parenthood actually starts. You could say a woman sacrifices a huge chunk of herself so a man can have fatherhood She chose it for herself as the only way to get her own kids; you can't take that role for her. And how is that any reason to deny the man and children fatherhood?
/r/MensRights30/03/12 08:02 AM
1

based on her other post it looks like she thinks men should be working the repetitive desk jobs. Because.. ya know, desk jobs are much closer to hunting (masculine) than they are to gathering.
/r/MensRights30/03/12 06:14 AM
4

Wtf is this? This isn't the reddit for you to create retirement plans for women. For every man living the fantasy today... there are a bunch of men committing suicide, going to jail, or living on the streets. I'm so sorry for the women doing repetitive data-entry in some gray office; it should be men doing that instead because men are the hunters... Errrrrr
/r/MensRights30/03/12 06:07 AM
2

I strongly disagree with her that a stay-at-home mother necessarily "privileges" anyone. Her statements weren't about the parents self interest, they were about fatherhood. She was saying that fatherhood is undermined by the stay at home mom, bread winning father, model. The mother and the father can choose whatever file they want but fatherhood is undercut when the father is spending far less time with the kids.
/r/MensRights30/03/12 05:51 AM
3

Id prefer earning less and not paying (gendered) alimony than earning more but having to pay.
/r/MensRights30/03/12 05:33 AM
1

That's what I always ask when last men were called privileged or current women are boasting their success over men.
/r/MensRights30/03/12 05:28 AM
2

It's just an arrangement where the parents have clear roles on different aspects of life, thats all. And a dramatic difference of time and interaction... The following study was done on the basque, a society where the men work and the wonen spend time with the kids. (Mothers Are the Most Responsible in Transferring of Sexist Attitudes, Study Suggests)[http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/n5dg4/mothers_are_the_most_responsible_in_transferring/] Time is surely influence... despite whatever …
/r/MensRights30/03/12 05:07 AM
3

I'm saying it shouldn't always be the man because what does that say about fatherhood? It's not traditional or natural for kids to be raised by women practically alone. What happens when we have a nation raised by women. Related, Mothers Are the Most Responsible in Transferring of Sexist Attitudes, Study Suggests I.think its a connection to feminism.
/r/MensRights30/03/12 05:02 AM
1

I'm saying in general. In general men are the ones who take the earning role so the mother can actually be with the kids. I have the capability to make $100,000 a year in my time career, and my wife has the capability to make $40,000 a year in her career As far as that applies to the general patterns we see, what a happy coincidence! Women wouldn't meet men who make more so they could do just that, work less. My problem is not the cases where it makes more sense to have a man work in support if …
/r/MensRights30/03/12 04:56 AM
1

I'm sorry Alanna, did your dad not pay enough attention to you? Sorry, cheap joke; I only meant it in fun. You're right in saying that the raising part was more so for boys, but men traditionally worked within and amongst the community much more (before the industrial revolution) which had huge implications. Males working with family and community meant they were more connected to what's going on in the community. That means fathers would be more socially aware/relevant to their daughters. Now, …
/r/MensRights30/03/12 04:41 AM
2

Ya but the women didn't work as long, outside the home, as the men. And of course when we limited or prohibited child labor we also said women couldn't work ridiculous how's in the factory. "Men were the appropriate targets of violence... Oops, I mean grueling work conditions." I guess typhons theory on transferring women's problems to men is actually relevant. Motherhood became superior later I think, when conditions improved after ww1, I didn't know about that. I really want to know how women …
/r/MensRights29/03/12 08:53 PM
2

This is so illogical I don't know where to begin. Some women need X (medication for migranes). We can't always separate all the women who don't need X, like we do with every single other prescription, so we should not separate any women who don't need X. You're just throwing in a random issues. Despite the talk being about birth control you talk about migranes. Then you throw out the idea that for this unique case we can't and shouldn't perscribe it for women with migranes. No, it nerds to go to…
/r/MensRights29/03/12 08:45 PM
3

Any half decent woman will make sure the children understand it She and the kids understanding the father's sacrifice is not enough. The kids need their father. And why would a woman honor the fathers sacrifice (his time with kids) to only take that herself. It's like stealing part of his meal and saying thanks. Her time with the kids is not more valuable than his.
/r/MensRights29/03/12 08:29 PM
2

Yep, its not traditional at all. Only a bad blimp in history that I believe is strongly connected to the broad anti male bias we have now.
/r/MensRights29/03/12 08:26 PM
2

I think fatherhood was marginalized, and motherhood considered superior, when we sent men into the factories during the industrial revolution. For the rest of history, you are correct, men worked in and amongst the community and men taught boys to become men. Lately its been mothers and teachers (women) raising a fathers kids.
/r/MensRights29/03/12 08:24 PM
4

It's paying for birth control hormonal pills You can hand out the pill based on purpose. That's how all prescriptions work and insurance works. This guy, and all the people I've heard on the bc debate are talking about forced coverage of birth control via the pills. That is just like condoms. You don't cover everyone to get free marajuana just because some people use it for medical reasons. You cover the ones that need it for medical purposes.
/r/MensRights29/03/12 08:16 PM
5

Yes, society has on rare occasions reacted in a large way to.boys being molested or raped. But that's only when its men doing it and the gender discussion will only be focused on the men; not on how being a boy makes one especially vulnerable. Some feminists even used the victimhood of boys to exclusively advocate their, "take the men out of power" agenda...
/r/MensRights29/03/12 08:03 PM
1

Lmfao
/r/MensRights29/03/12 06:36 PM
2

Fuck I know! "My body, my choice, your responsibility."
/r/MensRights29/03/12 06:36 PM
-1

Where do you draw the line? Contraception? Smoking or not? Being male? Living in the city vs. living in a small town? If your talking about abortion... Cancer is not at all like pregnancy. We have no obligation to save someone from pregnancy, unless it is life threatening. There is no reason we should be forced to support that woman's choice of not having a kid. It would be horrible to force someone who views abortion as killing to support it financially. If its about preventing conception why w…
/r/MensRights29/03/12 06:32 PM
1

Omg, if you dont have a link for that I will be very upset.
/r/MensRights29/03/12 04:55 PM
2

Hmmm, if those women were considered slaves I can't imagine who else could be called slaves...
/r/MensRights29/03/12 04:23 AM
1

But the intent was the same. Teachers spanking kids is an evolution of parents spanking kids, which happened much earlier. Teachers and relative rates of hitting. Your analogy fails. Again, success, which you have yet to support, does not even negate disposability. You have only used circular reasoning to back this up. I defined disposability, follow the argument. I also made appropriate comparisons... Other vulnerables who are targeted in school. And I draw parallels to violence in general whic…
/r/MensRights29/03/12 02:12 AM
2

Waaaaa? Cannot comprehend. Can a slave own a slave?
/r/MensRights29/03/12 01:58 AM
8

I'm in company atm, so I can't watch the video but I really hope she talked about the obvious fact that when women try to get sexual looks from men, they are reducing those men to a set of eyes meant to support their vanity. Those women get satisfaction from having men, dozens of men, whom they never intend on getting to know, look at them. When men look at women and the women enjoy it (in actuality they look at men's bodies too but I stick to the ideal), the shallow attraction they both have is…
/r/MensRights29/03/12 01:54 AM
1

We do not train them with abuse because they are disposable. Did you just tack something on to argue it? We train them with abuse so they will become less easily disposable Zzzzz you're comparing trained soldiers to untrained soldiers. Very fruitful thought. Where's the analogy to boys? Are they born on a battlefield?!? Is that why we have to train boys with abuse? Your arguments are starting to get inane... So you think that parents who spank their children are not doing so because they want th…
/r/MensRights29/03/12 01:35 AM
1

To think that women weren't considered (very) valuable is feminist.
/r/MensRights29/03/12 12:54 AM
1

Soldiers are disposable. We train them with abuse. I adressed this idea in connection to abuse towards boys, If that's how you shape the persons role against their will, then the person is a disposable tool to you. Which the soldiers perfectly embodies... Apart from the fact that we now give them a choice. But I don't believe our intent of abusing boys was to make them into doctors so to speak. But I don't even think hitting a boys was about shaping his role. I think the boy we are hitting is le…
/r/MensRights29/03/12 12:53 AM
0

Ah I see, yes nobody wants to look at these women Hmmm, my analogies must suck if you just figured out what I was saying. It's all good though : )
/r/MensRights28/03/12 09:21 PM
2

Human nature, we are born problem solvers. What do you mean here?
/r/MensRights28/03/12 09:19 PM
2

Blue is tomorrow.
/r/MensRights28/03/12 09:15 PM
13

It's not just manipulative as in "I'm hard to get", its also "I take no initiative because I'm just a prize". That mentality is horrible in a relationship imo.
/r/MensRights28/03/12 09:12 PM
-1

I'm not saying you are. What I'm saying is that I have to deal with attention whores while you have to deal with creepy guys. The only difference is that women get to publications shame creepy guys but men don't get to shame the unattractive, show it all, women. Just imagine men telling fat women how uncomfortable they are when unattractive women flaunt... It would be seen as picking on those women and repressing their sexuality.
/r/MensRights28/03/12 09:03 PM
1

Again, you have yet to show that the second part follows from the first part. You have yet to support the dubious suggestion that hitting boys turns them into successful doctors and such. Abuse, which is what that was, is about disposability. It implies a lack of empathy to someone and a respect towards their personal needs. If that's how you shape the persons role against their will, then the person is a disposable tool to you. But I don't even think hitting a boys was about shaping his role. I…
/r/MensRights28/03/12 08:58 PM
1

I don't see why. Women were useless back then. That's why you need to change your viewpoint (errrr the feminist viewpoint); it does not fit with reality! The women were chosen to live over the men, thus their lives were more valuable. Also useful is definitely not synonymous with valuable. Someone can be more valuable and thus feel less of need to be useful.
/r/MensRights28/03/12 08:43 PM
0

I always just ignore the attention Then what's the problem? I dress modestly and don't flaunt anything, I'm a shy person and it'd be nice to be able to go about my business without being made to feel uncomfortable You want to choose who looks at you while I don't get to choose who shows their crap to me. That's not fair. How comfortable would you be if a guy showed you his legs, ass, and accentuated all his curves in order to attract you (his sexuality)? Would if you had to work with him..And ty…
/r/MensRights28/03/12 08:32 PM
1

Why isn't it pervy (a over used term) for an to show her stuff at the office just to feel sexy? Or the woman who wears revealing clothes around kids, married men, or any other public space that women do this. I don't get it. Looking is wrong, but showing is not? The former only happens when someone is showing. But when someone shows, everybody is forced to see. I think we just have a harder time if accepting the idea that women's sexual advances can be unwanted. But we our very clear on the idea…
/r/MensRights28/03/12 08:22 PM
1

How is it rude to stare when its perfectly fine for a woman to be abvious and flaunt her stuff. That is very in your face. Not only does it reveal intention, it also forces people to see a woman's parts (legs, ass, thong, and breast). I'm talking about the women we don't want to see but we have to see because their at Walmart, sitting in front of us in class, standing in line, etc.. The reaction I, and pretty much everyone else, is to just ignore what's going on because it is so common. We don't…
/r/MensRights28/03/12 08:14 PM
1

I'm not sure if she really thinks its just the blue pillers who are biased towards women...
/r/MensRights28/03/12 09:51 AM
3

I'd rather have 5 strong responses from males, than 1 reasonable response from a female. Lol, that 5 to 1... But I see your point. MGTOW requires this type of thinking. But one thing you can keep in kind is that women will talk to other women and female mras can ease the environment we live in by influencing other women.
/r/MensRights28/03/12 09:43 AM
2

and will instantly write off even the most reasoned statements by male MRA's as "misogyny" or "privilege denial". In the real world its not so much those but the projection of being whiney.
/r/MensRights28/03/12 09:40 AM
2

As a guy I was always wondering where these other guys who think about sex 24/7 were. But I never bought into it due to my friends and the simple facts that guys don't go for ugly chicks, they have serious hobbies, and well get into all kinds,of discussions that dont involve women.
/r/MensRights28/03/12 09:26 AM
1

Holy fuck. It was known this long ago!
/r/MensRights28/03/12 09:09 AM
-3

Yep. All women have the right to be "sexy" yet we are going to say which men can and can't look or cat call?
/r/MensRights28/03/12 09:03 AM
0

Funny how we have no right to complain at the women we don't want to see. I.watch tennis and its not always pleasant to see Serena's boobs bounce around as she man handles the ball.
/r/MensRights28/03/12 09:01 AM
1

I argued that girls were treated more delicately That does not describe the situation on the titanic. Your using the word delicate when we are talking about a choice between saving someone vs leaving them to certain death. The word delicate could not be more inappropriate. The phrase value for safety and life is! The same applies to men. Men were no better at surviving on the doomed ship, which we all knew, but we just thought it was better to keep the women alive. We valued their lives over the…
/r/MensRights28/03/12 07:37 AM
1

We're talking about intent, not actual effects I spoke about both. If you want to make the case that all the spanking did was cause generations of intellectually stunted men Never did. That's the second strawman you have used. I'm saying hitting boys far more than girls was and still is abusive and that this reflects a disposability of boys.
/r/MensRights28/03/12 07:29 AM
1

12:39 GWW, valiantly defending men, along with fighting those who would impose poop upon her image. No evil is too small for her!
/r/MensRights28/03/12 04:38 AM
1

A spanking is not the same as getting beaten. It's all kinds of physical punishments, from light to severe. But its not like slaping your wife loving anyways. Better yet, is hitting a boy with a ruller helping him to be successful?
/r/MensRights28/03/12 04:01 AM
1

Um, I would think it would be obvious that that scenario is just as hard on the mother as it is the father. Men were prevented at gunpoint from taking seats over women. However, women and mothers could have refused to take seats leaving them to their beloved men. In regards to the social expectations, women actually took seats over the children, which is contrary to who we "should" have been protecting. Maybe some women would have wanted to give up there seats for 20 year old men, but most didn'…
/r/MensRights28/03/12 03:56 AM
1

The fact that there are more males in the world than females proves that males are in fact the majority and not the minority That's why its a comparison. Both boys and minorities recieve mire corperal punishment. Both males and minorities (as compared to women and whites) recieve more jail time for the same crime. Both males and minorities are more likely to get the death penalty for the same crime. When it comes to punishment, no matter how severe, boys and minorities have it worse. Or are you …
/r/MensRights28/03/12 03:50 AM
1

Wouldn't this be just as bad as the loving mother who cannot protect and die for her 20 year old son either? Where are you going with that? So parents who spank their kids don't love their kids? That question doesn't make sense, a wife beater can love his wife. But that doesn't not mean everything he does is loving. And I would say that the sibling who became the target of beatings, while the other is protected, was loved less. And we are not talking about parents. We are talking about teachers,…
/r/MensRights28/03/12 12:50 AM
1

Of course they cared about boys, they were the ones who would grow up to be doctors and lawyers or maybe the president. How is physical punishment good for boys?!? Your saying we beat into their roles... It doesn't even make sense to suggest that beating people turns them into doctors. Minorities, like males, are beat more as children and adults. You have the cause backwards. Loser men are disregarded, like minorities, so the boys who aren't traumatized try harder. And girls got off the titanic …
/r/MensRights28/03/12 12:38 AM
9

Isn't discipline usually intended to improve children? Physical punishment is not meant to improve boys in any way that is good to them. The best thing you could say is an uncompationate training. I'm mean... cmon, its violence. But usually it just represents frustration and an unwillingness to help. The same way we put men in prison far more often than women, given the sane crime. It isn't to generously help the men I mean, they also put male children ahead of adult males. Ok? also that people …
/r/MensRights27/03/12 07:27 AM
10

That doesn't mean boys are not as well behaved or that they should be behind girls at all. Based on the older methods boys are ahead of girls (girls improve too!) and the boys are better behaved.
/r/MensRights26/03/12 11:37 PM
12

It's not just a backlash actually. In the past, boys were punished (physicallly) in the classroom far more than girls. It is basically a way of not caring about boys and shaping them into what's useful and disregarding the rest. We even saved a greater percentage of girls on the titanic than boys, because we didn't value boys more back then. What has changed is that education is now a good thing for girls. So we make sure they get it. As for boys, we can disregard them when not useful.
/r/MensRights26/03/12 11:33 PM
3

The most interesting part is that she is for men's rights advocacy.
/r/MensRights24/03/12 09:10 PM
2

Why does that have anything to do with traditional roles? I see it simply as a rights and responsibilities equation. Right now women have rights and men have responsibilities. Something must change.
/r/MensRights24/03/12 12:06 AM
-4

Well, as long as men are forcibly held liable for the woman's decision... There is a good argument.
/r/MensRights22/03/12 11:04 PM
5

A Zimbabwean women's rights group has criticised the spotlight shifting to male rape victims, and paid for a newspaper advert to deplore that violence against women in the country is not met with the same degree of shock. ... No law in Zimbabwe criminalises rape by women so the trio, arrested with one man, face 17 counts of aggravated indecent assault, though no trial date has as yet been set.
/r/MensRights22/03/12 04:18 PM
3

The question we should always ask is why more women didn't defend their community from attackers. There was no question of the justification, and desire, of defending your land and people. Yet women didn't fight, which shows that they used men to do the fighting.
/r/MensRights21/03/12 04:48 PM
1

Did be argue the case well? It's not just about having a case, its also about arguing it.
/r/MensRights21/03/12 12:34 AM
2

Point taken.
/r/MensRights21/03/12 12:32 AM
1

He us paying for the school and classes. He does have a right correct anti male lies in the classroom, especially when most of gender studies is made up.
/r/MensRights21/03/12 12:31 AM
12

I always laugh when people say that women's sexuality and expression are repressed. Men are working units and ought to look and think like that...
/r/MensRights21/03/12 12:26 AM
2

Your picture has a blue thumbs up.
/r/MensRights20/03/12 05:01 AM
13

Putting a guy on the floor is extremely violent.
/r/MensRights20/03/12 05:00 AM
29

Good job then! You got the point across.
/r/MensRights20/03/12 04:59 AM
5

There was an article about 1 1/2 years ago on the spearheaded saying that boys used to be physically punished in school far far more than girls. However, I lost the article. Can anybody point me to it?
/r/MensRights19/03/12 05:47 PM
5

Yet another example of times when men are closer to minorities than women. This happens over and over.
/r/MensRights19/03/12 05:44 PM
6

Men earned that by working out of the home. so that what is what women will do now?!? Or how about women go work abroad and send money back to their husbands and kids? Or maybe women now take the life threatening jobs..
/r/MensRights19/03/12 09:14 AM
6

I absolutely love the argument being made here. It reminds me of the people who suggest that father should be denied equal custody during the breastfeeding years while at the same time not legally requiring women to breastfeed. Rights without responsibilities...
/r/MensRights19/03/12 12:28 AM
2

she has again cleverly created a legally plausible argument (and as a result a status quo arrangement) for separating mothers to deny meaningful contact of a child with their father.
/r/MensRights19/03/12 12:27 AM
3

Wasn't a female mass muderer, who killed baby children at the nursery I think, taken off the wiki top -- list (by opponents) because we brought attention to it?
/r/MensRights19/03/12 12:21 AM
3

Discovery channel, you'll find shows like Deadly Women Omfg, those shows look messed up. How about the ones on those women's networks... The show Is called snapped! As far as,I can tell from the title and the commercials your actually supposed to identify with the kilker. Wtf?!?
/r/MensRights19/03/12 12:15 AM
1

Lol, lame... How about families?
/r/MensRights19/03/12 12:10 AM
6

The larger theme would be that female victimization is used far to much. Female victimization creates more drama to most people. I think that's the reason rape many people talk about rape as if it was just as bad as murder. They see rape as something that victimized women and because women's victimization is more important, they view rape as more important. But at the sane time most victims and their families would choose rape over murder if given the choice. Particularly for victims who could b…
/r/MensRights19/03/12 12:09 AM
1

"A man is not a financial plan" - one of Australia's biggest banks propagates the myth of the wage gap A man or society I suppose...
/r/MensRights15/03/12 07:08 PM
1

It links directly into the whole "MRM is a hate movement" bullshit, by assuming that MRM activists are Conservative / Right-wing /oppressive and evil, and thus should be painted negatively no matter what happens. ? Are you saying conservative guy can be thrown.at any guy thus making it a male issues? Then conservative guy means nothing. This just looks rep./dem. political.
/r/MensRights15/03/12 07:44 AM
2

Seriously? I don't know. Awesome and congrats!
/r/MensRights15/03/12 03:31 AM
3

Stops watching at 3:40 Yesssss, super little mra's on the way!
/r/MensRights15/03/12 03:30 AM
2

I was just clarifying that most men wanted to be saved just like most poor wanted to be saved. taught to save women first Not first. Save women over men. One was going to die one was going to live.
/r/MensRights14/03/12 07:53 PM
2

the people on the lusitania were from the sane era. Both were socially conditioned in a similar way. However, because the lusitania sank fast it lacked the social order of the sinking titanic. So, people got to do what they wanted to do; ie they weren't using guns to prevent certain classes from saving themselves. And what happened on the sinking lusitania... The men saved themselves! It probably means the men on the titanic would have saved themselves if they were allowed to. Remember, the righ…
/r/MensRights14/03/12 07:41 PM
1

I saw no evidence, only an assertion that their is evidence. Women do not bring in the same number of viewers. I go to the games and people wait, even impatiently, for the men's game. In general they talk about the men, all over. And a business is not going to cater to men "out of tradition".
/r/MensRights14/03/12 07:20 PM
1

Pretty much. The trick will be figuring out how to bring back honesty.
/r/MensRights14/03/12 07:06 PM
2

I said at gun point. Did you not understand what I was saying about the lusitania?!? The poor, on the titanic, also wanted to save themselves but couldn't. That's an effect of patriarchy. The point was to show the women had privilege.
/r/MensRights14/03/12 07:04 PM
2

Click on "other discussions" at the top, and up vote them all at once.
/r/MensRights14/03/12 06:56 PM
2

I want to hear something positive. I didn't want to be angry or depressed after watching her video. I love them, but every once in a while I need to hear something positive. A victory, a mocking of some silly feminist, or whatever.
/r/MensRights14/03/12 06:54 PM
2

You make it sound like every woman on the ship used her feminine wiles to convince every man on the ship to do their bidding, and I hope you realize how ridiculous that is. That's not even part of my argument; its a strawman. My argument is that women valued their lives more thus chose the seats. The men saved the women first because we've institutionalized the idea that women are weaker and need to be saved. The titanic was not about weakness. We knew both gender were just as helpless on the si…
/r/MensRights14/03/12 06:51 PM
0

A woman's hurt feelings would have to be as important as a man's life to argue that women werent given preferential treatment, aka privilege. So men's sacrifice didn't solve all the women's problems... They could of had PTS too! I think your'e a heartless asshole to compare men's lives to women's supposed feelings.
/r/MensRights14/03/12 10:07 AM
2

When you teach a woman that she is helpless you can't expect her to help herself That has nothing to do with being helpless. They all knew the boat meant death and that there was nothing to do on a sinking ship. The only thing the women did was value their own lives more. They also valued their lives over the children, the most helpless group! You're blaming the woman when nothing about that situation is the woman's fault. Now you're contradicting yourself. You said the woman could feel guilt wh…
/r/MensRights14/03/12 09:39 AM
2

For the love of god. I need to year something positive.
/r/MensRights14/03/12 09:15 AM
1

Not MR issue. That women can get angry at men who sleep around (womanizer?) but men can't get verbally angry towards women who sleep around (slut) is an MR issue. The fact that a few men get away with it while others don't, ehhhh.
/r/MensRights14/03/12 09:06 AM
0

He means hurt in the sense that when men die its similar to when women having their feelings hurt (if their feelings were even hurt...) A woman who is saved at the cost of a man's life feels like she killed that man by being too weak to save herself. That's not a privileged feeling, it's a feeling of powerlessness and guilt. It's not death, but to call it privilege is also insulting.
/r/MensRights14/03/12 08:59 AM
2

You didn't answer my criticism on the patriachy. A woman who is saved at the cost of a man's life feels like she killed that man by being too weak to save herself. Good, that's what she did. And she used her privilege to do it. (Actually her privilege probably even took away the guilt of taking someone spot/life). It's not death, but to call it privilege is also insulting. IT'S NOT DEATH! that's the point. I'm so sorry a man's death can't spare women of any pain. More importantly, that men are t…
/r/MensRights14/03/12 08:53 AM
8

It is most likely a male... But not for reasons of justice.
/r/MensRights14/03/12 08:39 AM
1

Chivalry means you think womens safety is more important than men's. I can't say if you're being chivalrous.
/r/MensRights14/03/12 08:37 AM
1

the ability to choose to stay home or not. The ability to choose whether or not to be a disposable protector. The choice of whether you can place as much value on your sex as hers. Most the conservative women I've heard don't actually support choice for men, even though they have those choices themselves.
/r/MensRights14/03/12 08:31 AM
1

but ultimately I think they still diverge from what most of us here are interested in. Of course they do. They hate most the stuff we want. The frustrating part is that they seem to be agreeable to us, and sometimes even our anger, as long as they eventually get what they want, a sacrificial provider. Sometimes I think they have calculating personalities and that it has something to do with their desired lifestyle.
/r/MensRights14/03/12 08:22 AM
1

If that's the RNC's favorite woman... Why not take the pressure of picking a woman so that a woman could actually earn the position?
/r/MensRights14/03/12 08:18 AM
2

Face it, you were just a talking point to him : )
/r/MensRights14/03/12 07:54 AM
3

The combination of those two is actual power, deceptive.
/r/MensRights14/03/12 07:53 AM
2

seemingly advantageous to women, The titanic wasn't seemingly advantageous to women. Saying something like that is insulting to the men who had to die. Having their lives valued over men's is the ultimate privilege. simultaneously suggesting that women should be passive and weak and placing unfair expectations on men. That only describes part of the issue for some people. You're are ignoring value and disposability. We sent plenty of men to death who had no vote, property, or family. They were n…
/r/MensRights14/03/12 07:51 AM
1

The theory itself places blame on men... And even calls men privileged.
/r/MensRights14/03/12 07:44 AM
1

It is possible that notions of expendability is a product of this social arrangement, more than the other way around. If men were picked for disposable work then they were... disposable.
/r/MensRights14/03/12 07:41 AM
1

Do you have a link for the booming business of male prostitutes serving women?
/r/MensRights14/03/12 07:37 AM
1

What? I'm asking you to defend your argument. Equal pay for equal work is not a valid argument. And why not pay the juniors the same. Why not pay college athletes the same? Further, your argument went in completely the wrong direction. Their work is not equal. One does better. Roger federers tennis is better than mine or sharapova. To say otherwise would be like calling your physics research equal to Einstein's because you try hard.
/r/MensRights13/03/12 07:34 PM
0

Men bring in a lot mode. That's why the men's final always comes last.
/r/MensRights12/03/12 07:14 PM
6

It has nothing to do with how hard you work. Actors get paid based on how valuable they are. Players get paid based on how valuable they are. It gas nothing to do with how hard they work. So until you give all athletes (young, old, good, bad) and all actors (good, bad, known, unknown) the same money based on "work", there is no argument. Let's dig a tiny bit. why is there a woman's league in the first place?!?
/r/MensRights12/03/12 07:12 PM
3

So the guy ranked at 78 should earn the same as the guy ranked no 1? Or maybe, the junior champions should earn the same as the regular champions... Their work is not equal (that's why they are separated) and neithr is their profit.
/r/MensRights12/03/12 07:04 PM
2

I think its interesting, and related, that girls though male teachers would treat them preferentially. From article, Female teachers accused of giving boys lower marks The girls thought their results would be 6 per cent higher if marked by a man.
/r/MensRights12/03/12 06:57 PM
1

Lol, its all the media's fault. As for the evidence... It's funny that age advocates for more power for women while at the same time making sure not to hold women responsible for what women are doing. How then could they take a position of greater power/responsibility?
/r/MensRights12/03/12 06:53 PM
2

I totally agree. Why is someone jailable for being poor and losing custody. And why shouldn't she have the same expectations placed on her.
/r/MensRights10/03/12 09:31 PM
You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

© TheRedArchive 2026. All rights reserved.
created by /u/dream-hunter