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Field Reportfundude12/r/TheRedPill13/10/15 07:35 PM
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CMVfundude12/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/15 01:48 AM
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ok well your opinions sound reasonable. Welcome to men's rights!
/r/MensRights29/02/16 04:50 PM
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What is your opinion on affirmative action for women in hiring? Do you think a real gender pay gap exists? I'm happy to see you appear again the feminist fat acceptance bullshit and rape nonsense
/r/MensRights28/02/16 07:50 PM
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How could you be a feminist for only one "week" if you already are in your late 20s?
/r/MensRights28/02/16 07:34 PM
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lol
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/16 05:44 AM
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Yea. Remember when negroes used to argue that no negro could ever be the President because of "racism"? Now that a negro is President, Whitey is still "racist". I have a feeling Whitey will always be "racist" no matter what. Whitey could be living in the gutter with no money while the black dude is a billionaire, but he will still be called "racist" and "privileged"
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/15 02:06 AM
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People can make fun of White men who can't jump. People can make fun of "nerds" as well
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/15 12:33 PM
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Yeah its kinda hard to argue systematic "racism" when the damn PRESIDENT of the country is BLACK
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/15 12:33 PM
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women can't love men only their children
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/15 06:11 AM
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why marry though?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/15 06:10 AM
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OK I guess I did the plate thing in the past by having women that would come over, watch a movie, then bang. We didn't really "date" but just "hung out"
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/15 06:05 AM
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Whats up with all this "plate" bullshit? Just have sex with various women if you have high SMV. Don't need to spin plates or any other nonsense.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/15 05:56 AM
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Very true
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/15 05:54 AM
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Is that the avg TRP dude that spins plates?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/15 05:46 AM
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No, we just don't want to hear your weak beta bitch whining. Go lift, get better clothes, status, etc. Then you will be able to attract women. Don't be some little bitch whining about inability to get a woman without bettering yourself. You can't get a woman because you have low SMV, regardless of race.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/15 05:38 AM
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I agree with the part that they don't need "game" or need to brag as an anonymous poster on TRP. However, plenty of high level SMV guys bang lower level women before they want to commit. High SMV will frequently bang women 6 or 7s during their 20s, just because men like to have sex. Since they are high value, they can just "hook up" with women consistently without commitment. When they get older and are ready to settle, they will marry a female 9 to 10.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/15 05:35 AM
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You just want White men to give you free shit though. The cry of "racism" is a move to gain advantage in society just like women use the cry of "sexism" The feminism racket is very similar to the "racism" racket.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/15 05:33 AM
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So then don't "internalize" racism. I don't get why you feel entitled to dating White women. Asian dudes have big disadvantages in general. Most are pretty short and physically weak. White women aren't attracted to that type of body. Its not "racist" because they don't like White guys who are short and weak looking as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/15 05:31 AM
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They don't want to live in Africa brah. They know it is a shithole. They just want to bitch and get Affirmative Action in America. Its kinda like women with feminism. They know its all bullshit but they want privilege to get free shit. This is Liberia where Blacks went after being "freed" by Abraham Lincoln. Wonder if they would want to live there: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMwI5unlK9M
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/15 05:26 AM
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Some nice black and Asian love BRAH: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PV8S_tKjoHY
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/15 05:18 AM
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What about all the hatred black men have about White male and black female couples? Why should I care if Asian men are successful with White women or not. White women don't have to like them. WTF is this Affirmative Action for dating? If White women don't like ya, then tough shit. Man the fuck up or STFU.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/15 05:12 AM
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Is that why we have a negro President then? How many White male Presidents are in Africa?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/15 05:09 AM
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Ed Norton only looked good when he was juicing for American History X
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/15 05:00 AM
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I knew you would like that one, so I felt like being a "racist" Im sure you never used that word huh? Blacks never use the words chink, honkey, etc. Oh wait: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PV8S_tKjoHY
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/15 04:56 AM
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What about minorities that don't like White guys looks? You know like White men can't jump right? How can he go to a friendlier location? I feel like I might be trying to reason with a Black Lives Matters black supremacist, so you know this might be difficult.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/15 04:53 AM
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Why does the "race card" have to be used in everything these days?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/15 04:47 AM
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The "endorsed contributor" on TRP means jack shit. Some early 20s low SMV nerd decided he liked some of the comments some other nerd made on TRP. Therefore, he is now "endorsed". It means shit. The "endorsed" posters are often beta as fuck, get no women but pretend to be "alpha" online. Their analysis is that of a child. The sidebar is the only thing of value in the TRP subreddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/15 04:33 AM
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Yeah, unfortunately many dudes on TRP are the same way. Dont be fooled by the bravado they spew. They are just narcissists that aren't really concerned with this stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/15 11:07 PM
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Yes they did. Watch Thunderfoot on how the feminists too over the whole atheist movement and marginalized anyone against them.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/15 11:07 PM
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Correct, if older men could only get ugly, younger women there wouldn't be this level of hostility.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/15 09:29 PM
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Well we can only guesstimate the numbers due to being unable to see the anonymous posters But its pretty obvious from the mannerism and general logic.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/15 09:19 PM
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Stupid comment. Some are scooping up hot women, some are scooping up homely women.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/15 08:53 PM
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I never said 100% but I'd say 90+% are very exaggerated.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/15 08:52 PM
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I agree with that But Feminazis wouldn't have gotten ANYWHERE without willing manginas coupled with some of the rich supporting the movement.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/15 08:52 PM
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Dudes who are successful in real life don't go on an anonymous message board to brag to other anonymous people. Their lives are essentially "bragging" with everyone noticing them.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/15 07:46 PM
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I agree with that. Unfortunately, AVFM attracts mostly losers and appears to be an angry incel movement. Elam doesn't appear to care to attract a higher level of dudes to his events. But he's the only one who has actually done ANYTHING in real life at the ICMI 14. He just couldn't ever do it again lol
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/15 07:46 PM
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LOL I don't want a class on gender studies, that is usually feminist claptrap lol
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/15 07:45 PM
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I didn't say 90%, it just seems like a higher percentage with very few intelligent posters. The braggarts are clearly frauds/clowns. Do you honestly think Michael Jordan would go on an anonymous basketball forum to brag to other anonymous dudes about winning big games in the NBA?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/15 07:24 PM
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Frame control? LOL Bro, you can't be serious. These dudes can't even take disagreement from other TRP guys, forget feminists. Feminists would eat most of them alive in the real world. They are too weak. They would have them fired from work, bang their bosses to have them fired, or in the case of VERY FEW OF THEM with higher positions, just play up to them until they served the feminine imperative. I am always very isolated in the real world when I have TRP opinions due to most other TRP dudes re…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/15 07:22 PM
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I agree with that. There are a few intelligent posts on there. I've noticed though the posts that I got upvoted for the most (into the high hundreds) were the dumber ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/15 07:17 PM
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Im not sure about that. You'd be surprised how many weak manginas are on TRP. Example: Tucker Max after getting married and whipped into line. Don't think there aren't many others like that on TRP if they get the most minimal of action. Don't believe the bullshit personna most of those weak clowns show.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/15 07:16 PM
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I've never seen a dude who is successful in his life go onto a website to brag about "spinning plates" to anonymous nerds on a website. I highly doubt you'll see top level dudes doing that kind of stuff. They get enough attention/respect in real life. Most of the posts aren't even educational, they are just moronic bragging posts to other anonymous nerds.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/15 07:09 PM
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I think if you let feminists invade a space they will use strawman and emotional tactics. They will also attempt to "take over the leadership" and change the forum. This has happened to Atheism plus recently, which has collapsed. They attempt to influence some weak mangina to "ban" anyone hostile to their message. They work on the dudes who are weak with few scruples.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/15 07:08 PM
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So TRP subreddit are just guys attempting PUA bullshit then by your admission. Nothing greater in terms of philosophy/etc. I have already stated my perspective on PUA. It doesn't work unless you are high in SMV. The only PUA stuff that works is confidence in interactions with women and abundance mentality. The vast majority of low SMV losers that are on TRP won't get women. Most of them would be served better by supporting the monogamous arrangements, considering the vast majority of them will n…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/15 06:43 PM
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I agree. The sidebar is the information I found to be quite interesting and accurate overall. I would have liked to debate the nature vs nurture argument more with the concept of "evopsych"
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/15 06:38 PM
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Very correct analysis
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/15 06:29 PM
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Yet tons of former PUA/newer TRP posters were the clowns who worshipped that fraud. Now they are pretending they didn't like him in the past since he "came out" as a mangina and a fraud.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/15 06:13 PM
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Read Rodger Devlin's essays on the female imperative off of Kindle. That is the level of writing/intelligent discourse I was expecting. All I got was dude bro Tucker Max frauds.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/15 06:12 PM
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Devlin is a very intelligent man. He has great insights into how the "Older men" would find him to be a "Bitter misogynist" while younger men said "wow, this is exactly what I have lived through". I downloaded his essays in kindle format for 2.99 or so. Good stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/15 06:11 PM
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Tucker Max was a weak mangina that pretended to "bang tons of women" and had fake bravado. He was called out on Opie and Anthony for his nonsense, where he was made to look like a fool. Unfortunately, most TRPs that post sound like Tucker Max. That is my complaint against the subreddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/15 05:51 PM
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Yes but NOT TRP subreddit. They have their own websites. My argument is that TRP posts are mostly just low value wannabe dude bros that just talk about PUA nonsense. I was expecting a higher level of discourse such as a Rodger Devlin type of discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/15 05:50 PM
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Not at all. I was just trying to think why TRP subreddit was a failure to me objectively. I was expecting more Rodger Devlin level posters but I got mostly Tucker Max level
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/15 05:43 PM
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I have written another post as to the inadequate nature of the "TRP subreddit" being similar to old school PUA bullshit with the majority of posters.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/15 05:14 PM
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Cool story but how come Roosh always looks awkward as fuck when attempting to pick up women then? I don't see evidence for any of his nonsense besides yapping. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XII9kyN9csw <<< Check out Roosh interacting on Romanian TV lol
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/15 04:57 PM
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Just speaking reality brah. The vast majority of TRP posts by nerds talking about "spinning plates" is total bullshit. Do you honestly think Roosh consistently pulled 9s and 10s throughout Europe during his "bang" book? Please No amount of bullshit "game" would allow him to be successful the vast vast majority of the time. He might have gotten lucky after intense work with a handful of women but thats about it. I can see some success in Eastern Europe by portraying yourself as a "rich American" …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/15 04:29 PM
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The highest SMP are the least likely to give commitment. That is obvious. When they finally commit, it will be to a high level SMV female. I agree with the 4 can be a CC rider as well. Feminists like to strawman the CC argument to make it not a CC rider if they aren't "banging a new guy every week"
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/15 04:16 PM
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First off, I don't think Roosh could ever "pull" top of the line women. Second, he is becoming more a politically oriented figure more than a PUA. His argument that TRP subreddit is mostly PUA bullshit. I have to agree on that point. The "sidebar" theory is sound but the vast majority of posts are moronic PUA shit like "spinning plates" or "holding frame" or other low brow early 20s wanna be frat boy nonsense. Most of the dudes posting this stuff are nerds that don't get laid and just brag on TR…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/15 03:24 PM
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I don't get the frat/sorority bullshit either lol
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/15 01:01 PM
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Well considering Roosh, who essentially started TRP, has left and made "neomasculinity" shows there is major infighting. Also, Roosh hates TRP subreddit because he thinks its mostly dude bros that are young 20s that just think about "getting laid" but nothing more.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/15 01:01 PM
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The CC was explained by another poster who showed a common dating pattern of a 25 y/o American female who had a few LTRs, a few short term relationships and a few ONS/flings. By the time she hit 25 years old, her partner count was >9 without "banging a new guy every week". Most women who ride the CC want COMMITMENT from the males they bang, its just that they can't get it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/15 12:39 PM
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Feminism is mostly group think too. If you deviate from feminism on college campuses, you will be SCREWED.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/15 12:34 PM
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The TRP "subreddit" is mostly "group think" due to it being strictly moderated. Any deviation from the moderators will get you banned. However, the overall manosphere/TRP is far from "group think". Ever notice how much infighting there is between different factions in the manosphere? Literally, no one likes each other lol AVFM vs MGTOW vs Roosh/Forney/Aurini vs TRP subreddit vs MRA subreddit vs Rollo vs Dalrock Even at AVFM, there has been huge differences. Chapin, Atilla, JTO etc have all left …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/15 12:33 PM
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Even "average" looking celebrities will pull more women than a male model though.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/15 12:23 PM
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I was speaking about myself faggot lol
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/15 02:49 AM
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Could be. I mean tens of millions watch Opran, Ellen Degenerate, etc. and are deluded into "girl power" as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 10:14 PM
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Ok, he's largely an unknown figure though. What did he do for work before just doing "red pill commentary"?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 09:38 PM
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But that differentiation is impossible to make with just random anonymous posters. There really is no "difference" between a vanguard/red pill endorsed member compared to a "newbie" Its not like the vanguard member/red pill endorsed member proved shit in the real world or anything. He just made some posts on a subreddit that involved "plates" and "dread game" most of the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 09:38 PM
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Your comment about "140K people" are all following an illusion. A "subscription" base of people with throwaway accounts with marginal activity doesn't show there is an "elaborate" network of people. It could be people slightly curious in the TRP for a short period of time. The level of traffic on TRP is far too low for 140K active users. Most are inactive
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 09:24 PM
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Rollo is the only one directly associated with TRP subreddit but started elsewhere. The rest are dudes from other venues. Unfortunately, most TRP posters are low level betas. But the underlying theories are sound.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 09:18 PM
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So who are the mainstream theorists these days behind TRP? Just random anonymous bloggers? The knowledge of TRP comes from guys like Rodger Devlin, Rollo, etc who are "loosely" associated with TRP at best.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 09:06 PM
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never heard of the dude
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 09:05 PM
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Thats all TRP mythology that part. Men used to form groups that excluded women in the past. Women were kept in the kitchen throughout most of history. The "inevitability" of feminism is a misnomer and defeatist attitude I see too often on TRP. It was far from inevitable and will not last against other patriarchal systems
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 08:43 PM
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Who?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 08:42 PM
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Thats weird. Why did he disappear?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 08:42 PM
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Respect for being basically the ONLY TRP "leader" that actually shows himself. Matt Forney stated that as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 08:42 PM
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Hugh Jackman is 47 brah.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 08:14 PM
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Regardless, they are getting hotter women
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 08:11 PM
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Most of the 140K "members" aren't active. Anyone who has some random reddit name can subscribe at one point.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 08:10 PM
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No, its "longevity" is like that of PUA. TRP works well on theory of the SMP and the requirements of improvement. It fails most betas who are UNABLE to improve sufficiently.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 07:59 PM
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I've seen rich older guys dating supermodel women who flock after the as well. These women have CHILDREN with the rich guy too.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 07:58 PM
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lol cool story Male models are paid almost nothing compared to female models. This is due to male looks alone not being sufficient to be high SMV for a male.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 07:52 PM
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Or they can change the culture through MRA activities or other productive endeavors?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 07:49 PM
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They can't IP ban on subreddits. Furthermore, IPs can be changed lol
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 07:48 PM
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Bro, anyone can claim anything. Looking at Rollo in the videos, there is no way he is current high SMV.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 07:48 PM
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How do we know what works for "successful alphas" considering all of the "mentors" are unknown.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 07:47 PM
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Bro, if you think some anonymous TRP nerd would get to me on this website, you are kidding yourself. Banning is nonsense anyway. People can always just make new names.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 07:17 PM
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Regardless of how they "pull" women, they still get them. Donald Trump pulls SUPERMODELS as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 07:15 PM
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No my basic stance is that it will make many of them angry and bitter without a productive outlet when they fail to significantly raise their SMV. There is no solution to this problem for 95% of the dudes that visit TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 07:14 PM
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No they don't. Don't make up nonsense. You sound like some crazy rad fem. You did him a favor lol
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 07:12 PM
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They make up a strawman CC argument. CC doesn't mean banging a new guy every week. Its the stuff you posted mostly and occurs for 80% of modern American women.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 07:03 PM
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I never said TRP "doesn't work". I think it does work. My argument is that the vast majority of low value betas that visit TRP won't be able to pull it off. The concepts of increasing status/income/physique isn't that hard. Pulling it off is.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 07:02 PM
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Status increases the man's appearance. You will see countless celebrities that are marginal in appearance that pull tons of women. This is particularly true in terms of rock stars.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 07:01 PM
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Why did he reject you due to being "red pill"? Did he deem you low value?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 07:00 PM
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Yes 100% on that.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 06:51 PM
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The women with "ONS and flings" interspersed between "relationships" would be riding the CC too. By your admission, thats 80%.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 06:50 PM
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Cool, so the way we determine if things are correct is that "well it sounds good when I read it". Almost scientific in analysis lol I don't give a shit if you care or not about my confidence. This is PPD, not TRP. Therefore, I can speak about how TRP leaders have no track records and are just mostly anonymous clowns that have no evidence that can improve their SMV significantly.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 06:49 PM
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There are no visible leaders (by your assertions). How can we determine if their stuff works besides anecdotal bullshit? If they had top level dudes as "leaders" that improved from low beta to high beta/alpha status, then I would be more confident in these "leaders" The only visible leaders are clearly low SMV dudes.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 06:31 PM
-1

Wow, finally a red pill dude with some sense on here! What the hell is wrong with half of these dudes lol
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 06:29 PM
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Red Pill has only anonymous random posters. Ergo, there is no ability to validate its practitioners.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 06:20 PM
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You can't name any "leaders" outside of Rollo. Matt Forney discussing how he is "Red Pill": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tKPdAzY6XQ He claims to be the progenitor of the movement. Matt Forney makes good points about the "anonymous" clowns on TRP that claim to be anything they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 06:05 PM
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I don't think most TRP can help me for shit honestly. I like the underlying philosophy of Rollo though. He had some good writings
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 05:53 PM
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Even GLO, we don't know his job status/income, etc. Only some workout videos
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 05:48 PM
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Yes I think men are more likely to be resistant due to their sexual cues. Across culture, men are attracted to youth/fertility. Females are attracted to status. The issue with "status" is that different cultures give "status" to different types of men. Ergo, Chinese culture has women who are very attracted to "nerds" who are the "alphas" of their culture. A huge juiced out bodybuilder wouldn't get much play in China/Asian countries unless he had status. The Islamic world puts imams as their high…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 05:46 PM
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Not at all. My status is irrelevant in terms of my opinions. My "status" discussion usually comes about after some TRP nerd gets offended by my comments that speak the truth. I am speaking about the lack of objective data to prove these "leaders of TRP" can attract top level women.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 05:43 PM
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Anyone would date someone out of their league in terms of looks/status/youth/etc if possible. The dynamics of the SMP don't make it possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 05:39 PM
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That is true.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 05:38 PM
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You can do so. Many TRPers do that as a form of projection.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 05:38 PM
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Good point. Female/male sexuality is quite malleable, particularly on the female side. Women will largely be hypergamous towards the male who the SOCIETY places high status on.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 05:37 PM
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Men's SMV is a composite of status/income/height/physique/facial symmetry mostly. Confidence plays a small role as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 05:35 PM
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What studies confirm or deny the 80/20 rule? I haven't seen much evidence on this stuff either way besides anecdotal stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 05:33 PM
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There are no "TRP" leaders that aren't anonymous then lol
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 05:18 PM
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Ok, that I can agree with.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 05:18 PM
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You are asking a false question considering the dimorphic nature of male/female sexuality. Ergo, the analogy is useless. Double standards only apply when two things are identical/similar. Different standards are held for things that are DIFFERENT.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 05:17 PM
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I don't accept them as "leaders" but they make themselves "leaders"through some nonsense like Vanguard status or "TRP endorsed".
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 05:16 PM
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Doubt it. Most dudes are pretty blue pill in both med school and MBA school. In fact, just speaking about Red Pill "theory" to top microeconomic PHD candidates actually shocks them lol. They find it fascinating but appear to reject it mostly or rationalize it away.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 05:15 PM
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Goal posts are defined by the guys making the claims. They claim to "bang" or "plate" all these women. Just don't find it likely, especially without evidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 05:13 PM
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There are no "peer reviewed" studies either way. We can only go with some survey data from online websites that show women are only attracted to about 20% of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 05:12 PM
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Just give it time. Obama will change that
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 05:11 PM
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From the video I could see, he had an avg physique. The picture put up all the time doesn't appear recent nor accurate.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 05:04 PM
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There is nothing "wrong" with taking Test/HGH, just concerns about health/longevity issues. Lifting takes dedication and good diet. This is difficult for many dudes who are working long hours in higher prestige fields. The vast majority of people can't achieve it, hence the reason its so valued in general. Also, guys who make "dramatic" transformations in short periods of time are usually taking test/anavar/clen, etc
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 05:03 PM
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I'm not on redpill mostly. I read the top dudes like Rollo's pages, Misandry Bubble and Rodger Devlin's essays. The posters on TRP are mostly low beta clowns who attempt to look alpha anonymously to make themselves feel better since they are usually inadequate in real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 04:32 PM
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Don't see where this is relevant to the discussion at hand.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 04:30 PM
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The "endorsed" dudes are anonymous, so we can't make objective statements about them. Its a major weakness of TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 04:27 PM
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https://dalrock.wordpress.com/2011/10/23/thoughts-on-the-8020-college-hookup-question/ This discusses it in greater detail. The data is sketchy but the 80/20 rule is the closest to accurate that we have.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 04:26 PM
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So basically TRP has no public leaders besides Rollo these days? Shit, thats crazy.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 04:22 PM
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Rollo is on the sidebar, Roosh started just before Rollo. He is one of the main founders of TRP regardless of your opinion on this issue. Although there is no obvious benefit, there is no way to verify these guys either. Ergo, they just post fanciful stuff that is unlikely to be true about them "plating" women and other similar nonsense.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 04:01 PM
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You're being very optimistic. Most dudes in top MBAs, med school, grad school, etc aren't red pill but very competitive in terms of attempting to get top positions/salaries. its not like TRP dudes will have some big advantage against these dudes. Also, its harder than ever for most men to increase in status/income due to AA for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 04:00 PM
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I respect Rollo's opinions too. They are mostly sound. Just speaking the reality of his ability to pickup attractive women in their 20s.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 03:58 PM
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You're kidding yourself then. The 80/20 rule clearly is in effect in the Western world in the big and middle sized cities. Just because some women will attempt to lie to beta bucks about not sleeping around in their peak years, doesn't make it false. Notice how the female doesn't want to "settle" down with beta bucks until she is close to the wall though.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 03:57 PM
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Basically TRP shows that the vast majority of attractive/semi attractive women in their 20s and 30s will want to bang mostly alphas/high betas. They only become interested in "beta bucks" when they are approaching the wall. Ergo, most TRP dudes who can't improve will be celibate or become beta bucks if they allow it. Doesn't look very appealing for the good majority of TRP dudes. Unless they want to be TFL MGTOWs or MGTOW when they get to the beta bucks stage, which is the best of their bad opti…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 03:54 PM
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lol cool story
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 03:53 PM
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Rollo is a 47 y/o older looking guy who has an avg physique and no apparent status. I don't see how he can run "dread game" on 25 y/o females that are attractive and be successful. I have NEVER seen "game" work for dudes that looked like him with his status level. Thats just PUA mythology.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 03:52 PM
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Thats true. The problem is that the vast majority of TRP dudes won't be able to change sufficiently to succeed in the current SMP. I guess TRP just says, "well tough shit guys, this is the way things are, you pretty much fucked since you can't improve enough"
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 03:51 PM
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Dalrock promotes Christian type game. Not the "dread game" or other crap on TRP. I actually respect Dalrock far more than the anonymous "leaders" that post on TRP without any requisite knowledge or obvious appearance.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 03:50 PM
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I disagree that things can be improved that quickly for the vast majority of men. I have used the top known TRP men to confirm this notion. Some outliers will be able to improve dramatically but most will fall inside the bell curve with minimal improvement.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 03:49 PM
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1) Those are the BIGGEST known leaders in the field. The rest of the TRP "leaders" on the TRP forum are anonymous clowns mostly that don't confirm anything. I can't use them as examples because they fear to show their true status. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBtzABBHiKE This is Rollo's most recent interview 2) Gaylubeoil is the ONLY dude on TRP that has any little bit of information about him on the forum. We know nothing about his job status/income/etc. He looks like the top 20% of physique…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 03:39 PM
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College women, women who do online dating, etc. Only women that aren't part of this culture are more traditional and rural women.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 03:36 PM
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I agree that is true. But most naturals won't go to TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 03:35 PM
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Cool story but big claims require big evidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 03:23 PM
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Most women who sleep around in their 20s are doing it with the higher SMV dudes. Its pretty common, approximately 80% of women these days act that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 03:22 PM
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You think Matt Forney pulls a lot of women? Be honest Don't have to be on steroids to be in good shape. Come on man. He is morbidly obese, low status, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 03:22 PM
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Bro, I don't really care on a person level since I have optimized these concepts. I just don't see how TRP philosophy will be sustainable for the vast majority of TRPs, who will likely just turn bitter when they marginally improve their SMV and find out women are just using/abusing them. There is no STRUCTURAL change in society that will benefit these guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 03:21 PM
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Bro, do you honestly think Matt Forney is slaying large numbers of attractive women in their 20s and 30s? Come on!
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 03:17 PM
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Slight improvement still leaves him in beta bucks territory where he will be taken advantage of by an AVERAGE female when she hits her 30s. Is that a good situation for him? He still will likely remain mostly celebate in his 20s.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 03:16 PM
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This is an overview of some dude that dedicates his life to exercise physiology including his undergrad degree. This is only one of the three ladder/prong situation. The status/income is lacking. Furthermore, the "Arnold Classic" is basically just dudes who take steroids/HGH/etc to grow mass. Most guys who dedicate themselves to "bodybuilding" usually end up poor with low status. Only high level competitors like Mr O make significant money in the field.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 03:15 PM
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Rollo can't pull thin, attractive women in their 20s. Just looking at him plus understanding his status level, that is apparent. Never saw his wife, so I can't speak on that. However, the TRP knowledge clearly hasn't improved him to the level of a 47 y/o dude that can pull attractive women in their 20s and 30s. Dalrock is a totally different animal than "TRP" dudes who talk about being "alpha" and lifting/status/etc. Dalrock doesn't get into that since it is mostly a Christian website. It just p…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 02:53 PM
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Correct. Considering most TRPs are probably around 3 to 4 level (since they wouldn't come to TRP without low value mostly), their "improvement" will be to 5 to 6 level at best. This isn't sufficient to attract decent looking women in their 20s. They might become good enough to be beta bucks in their 30s with the improvement.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 02:50 PM
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Do you honestly think Roosh, Matt Forney or Rollo can pull thin, attractive women in their 20s? They have been implementing TRP knowledge for years.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 02:49 PM
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An increase from 4 to 6 is almost meaningless when women in their 20s are looking only at the 8 plus dudes unless she is 300 plus pounds. My analysis of Roosh is due to the fact that he never has hot women on his arm, can't really go into the bar and pick up women natively, and his general appear/lack of status. Matt Forney is obvious. Rollo is pretty obvious too, although he has the best knowledge level.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 02:46 PM
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I didn't say TRP owes anyone anything. I just think many of those dudes will turn bitter rather than improve when they obtain TRP knowledge when they can't actualize increased SMV.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 02:44 PM
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Yes but the biggest drawback of TRP is the fact that the vast majority of low level betas (most TRP subscribers by default, since natural alphas just instinctively understand TRP plus can implement it due to high value) will never substantially improve their SMV. The leaders of the movement haven't achieved this and the vast majority of practitioners won't as well. What do they do after failing to achieve significantly improved SMV? What does TRP tell those guys?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 02:40 PM
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I agree. Most are fakes like "Tucker Max" who was a total fraud. I have made a new post about how most visible "leaders" of TRP would be considered low beta in terms of SMV. The problem is knowledge of TRP becomes apparent but then the dude remains low SMV. The other "leaders" such as "Vanguard status" dudes or "Mods" on TRP have no visible status in the real world. We can't judge them at all because they are anonymous. But their behavior is suspicious for being low beta level due to their insec…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 02:19 PM
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Yes but going from 4 to 6 is minimal benefit in the modern sexual marketplace since the vast majority of women are gunning for 8 plus men in their 20s. Ergo, you still get the leftovers in their 30s at best being beta bucks.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 02:16 PM
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Rollo is an older male who doesn't look impressive physically: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iG06rIlSa4s I respect his knowledge though but he definitely wouldn't be considered higher beta/alpha on the market. He couldn't pull women in their 20s or even 30s mostly.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 02:00 PM
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From what I can see, Rollo is an older dude with some good theoretical knowledge. This doesn't negate my premise that the vast majority of TRP guys won't be able to achieve the high beta/alpha status. There is no "solution" offered to these guys with TRP. It will just make them bitter. If one is unable to achieve high beta/alpha status, I can't see any other option than MGTOW.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 01:58 PM
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If someone claims to be a top fitness expert, people want to see what they look like. If someone wants to claim to be a "leader" of TRP with high SMV, people want to see them interacting with women in real life. Great claims require great evidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 12:39 PM
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"Double" standards implies that men and women are the same sexually. Considering men and women are sexually DIMORPHIC, the standards for both sexes are DIFFERENT. Ergo, different standards are NOT double standards since the sexes are NOT THE SAME.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 12:22 PM
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Being confident and "abundance mentality" are literally the ONLY positive mental attributes that TRP teaches. Considering I already had these attributes before joining TRP, its something that most men that had pretty good SMV already had. Furthermore, confidence and abundance mentality are very difficult to achieve for low beta males, considering they aren't desirable on the SMV, so them practicing "abundance mentality" doesn't really work well. The other bullshit such as "hold frame", "dread ga…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 12:18 PM
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I don't think they are valid leaders, anymore than the "Vanguard members" or some clown "moderator" on TRP. Leaders are people who have actually done something IN THE REAL WORLD.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 12:15 PM
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100% agree with this post. The dudes that occasionally read it are probably the most likely to "improve" in the real world. TRP philosophy is quite simplistic, especially on advice given on improvement. It doesn't take "years of knowledge" to achieve anything. Most of the TRP "leaders" including mods and "vanguard" members are likely nerds that exaggerate their prowess online to make themselves feel better.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 12:14 PM
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The problem is the "Vanguard" members or other nonsense really haven't been vetted in the real world. Ergo, how can we tell if any of them are truly "alpha" and speaking from experience or just fantasy land clowns?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 12:12 PM
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Correct. The biggest issue with TRP are many "leaders" are frauds who have low SMV but claim to be stellar "ladies men", which confuses things, like PUA frauds.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 12:10 PM
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Most don't. How can anyone NOT realize that? lol
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 12:07 PM
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Yes but its not really comparable to ROTK or AVFM, so its a mute point. These dudes remain the biggest "leaders" of the movement, regardless of your opinion until some other newest leaders come to fruition.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 06:43 AM
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The RedPill is just a message board, nothing more.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 06:40 AM
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That I can accept but the vast majority of clown posters on TRP make the place look foolish with the PUA bullshit these days.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 06:40 AM
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Incorrect, it gets your higher value women that want commitment as well. Also, significantly younger women.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 06:39 AM
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Do you honestly think that non TRP dudes don't realize being in better shape won't help? This logic is very simple. The problem is the vast majority of men can't improve that much.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 06:38 AM
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Most of the dudes on TRP have low SMV. Thats just reality. The rest of the stuff you wrote doesn't prove that TRP can actually improve low SMV males significantly.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 06:37 AM
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You can't improve your "one night stand" options without high SMV
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 06:36 AM
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That is correct. Anyone who denies that most of the TRP "leaders" are alpha will get banned quickly as well lol
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 06:35 AM
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They still have the highest rated "manosphere" website out there by Alexa numbers. Considering TRP is just basically a message board on reddit, not much can be said about its "leaders"
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 06:33 AM
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There is nothing to test. I am already optimizing my income/physique/status. Im sure it works since I see the results personally. However, the vast majority of low SMV can't improve significantly. The "PUA" stuff is consistently talked about on TRP subs with high ratings including bullshit like "dread game" or "holding frame". Do you honestly think high SMV dudes need to do such nonsense? That shit is the behavior of fake alphas
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 06:31 AM
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I don't care that much anymore lol Just vented after that weak bitch "banned" me trying to be a "tough guy" online, who I'm sure would get smashed in real life. Its obvious he is a low beta from his overall behavior pattern. Insecurity is obvious brah.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 06:29 AM
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What about him? There is very little identifiable information about him. How can I gauge his level of success. Even the rare "successful" guy doesn't prove much considering they might be natural alphas already. I am skeptical that the vast majority of dudes who go to TRP can improve substantially including the "leaders"
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 06:24 AM
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But those two dudes claim they are the originators of TRP before even "Rollo"
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 06:24 AM
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I agree with this times 1000% Unfortunately, the vast majority of dudes who are attracted to TRP will be in the bottom percentages.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 06:23 AM
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Very true. People come back to "astrology" in greater numbers of TRP, does that make astrology real science? People come back to Tony Robbins and Dr Phil in far greater numbers than TRP as well. Are they credible?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 06:22 AM
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Thats the problem. There really are no identifiable dudes that have proved significant improvement through TRP. The biggest "TRP" type dudes known are Roosh and Matt Forney. Even "GayLubeOil" is no more "alpha" then half of the dudes at my local gym that I just went to this afternoon. Most of those dudes have never even heard of TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 06:18 AM
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Cool story bro but outside of anecdotal bullshit, we have no evidence for any of these assertions. I agree improving your income/status/physique will IMPROVE your SMV significantly. The problem is the vast majority don't improve much at these things. You don't need to be TRP to understand that concept either. Most non TRP dudes know improved physique and status will obtain more women.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 06:16 AM
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Who else are the "leaders" then? I see no "leaders" that have a real proven track record of becoming "alpha" and truly being high SMV in terms of improvement.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 06:14 AM
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My two week ban was already lifted. I stopped posting on TRP anyway since it was mostly worthless. I mentioned my "two week ban" in relation to another dude complaining about TRP mods on here. I said its normal for them to do such things. TRP mods are clearly weak betas with low self esteem that need to "ban" people that disagree with them at all. Most dudes that go to TRP are low SMV betas, that is why they go to TRP, including most mods. You sound like a weak beta faggot as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 06:07 AM
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What makes you a "leader" though besides having some knowledge of the female sexual imperative? Although the theory is accurate, the ability to INCREASE SMV for the vast majority of men who go to the TRP subreddit is extremely limited. Therefore, TRP should be used for educational experience and slight improvement for most men but can't achieve "Chad" status or even high beta status for most including its "leaders".
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 05:58 AM
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Yes he followed me over here. The ban was specifically for "mentioning my two week ban" on PPD. Betas gonna beta lol
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 05:51 AM
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The problem is the so called "leaders" have no evidence they can achieve shit with women. Do you honestly think Matt Forney or Roosh V can get top level women? Its even worse for some of the TRP "mods" who are likely early 20s computer nerds who get less pussy than Matt Forney.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 05:44 AM
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Most TRP dudes are weak nerds that attempt to use PUA "game" tactics to improve their pathetically low SMV. Unfortunately, these tricks don't work. Example: Matt Forney was a weak nerd before TRP/PUA, he remains a weak nerd afterwards. That is why anyone who challenges some of these nerds on TRP gets the "ban" because of their insecurity. Truly improving your SMV requires significantly improved status, income and physique. Most dudes don't have the intelligence/dedication to pull this off. Ergo,…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 05:42 AM
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I never insulted him before getting banned considering I never saw that weak nerd before. The ban was due to me mentioning my my temporary suspension on TRP. I had many highly ranked posts on TRP including guided posts. The problem I've seen on TRP recently was the influx of mostly weak, low SMV betas that attempt to use PUA nonsense to increase their low value. The behavior of insecure low SMV dudes are to "ban" people, which is consistent with my previous analysis. Do you know of true alphas t…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 05:35 AM
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No they don't
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 05:32 AM
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lol likely true. Its true for most of TRP dudes who are low level betas attempting to use PUA techniques to secure women. Its true for most BP women due to being fat angry feminists
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 04:06 AM
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I never insulted him before the ban. I can tell from his behavior that he is beta. Doesn't make me "feel better" that most TRP is becoming the new PUA for low status betas. I was hoping TRP would continue to evolve into understanding of the female imperative. Unfortunately, most of it is just low SMV dudes bragging online like Matt Forney. Beta behavior is obvious to anyone. Only insecure betas "ban" people so readily.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 03:54 AM
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He had already "banned me" before I really got insulting towards him. He is insecure because he a nerd that pretends to be "alpha" online. Its obvious due to his insecure behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 03:29 AM
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i have seen the opposite
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 03:04 AM
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Bad strategy. Better to become thin and work on your physique
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 02:48 AM
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Literally no one huh? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/womens-health/11798203/Fat-fit-women-The-curvy-women-bucking-the-trend.html
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 02:45 AM
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Thats possibly true but alot of it is also over consumption of food and lack of willpower.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 02:35 AM
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Actually, the "core" ideas of TRP are pretty sound. The problem is the vast majority of the dudes on TRP are just fakes with low SMV trying to run PUA scammer nonsense like "dread game". The place has devolved from real theory on the female imperative to PUA nonsense used to scam low betas out of their money.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 02:34 AM
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He is the nerd mod that "banned" me for speaking on PPD There is no "paranoia". The average TRP mod probably looks/acts like Matt Forney. Too much "dread game" or PUA scam nonsense sold to weak/insecure younger betas who can't get women. Read some of the TRP posts, its mostly younger nerds bragging about "dread game" or how they are "being alpha in the gym". Mostly nonsensical stuff written by guys with an inferiority complex.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 02:29 AM
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Dude was mad that I posted on PPD. I wasn't even posting on TRP. I found TRP posts to be mostly worthless. They appeared to be mostly younger beta nerds bragging about how they were "alpha" and "banging bitches" or "running dread game". Too much PUA nonsense. The average PUA nerd looks like Matt Forney. Im sure he would be the average TRP as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 02:26 AM
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Yet he banned me for speaking about my "two week suspension". Has nothing to do with being "drunk on power". Its due to insecurity.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 02:24 AM
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Ok, well good on that issue then
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 02:20 AM
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Thats why your weak boyfriend Red Pill Watchtower tried to be "alpha" over private messages with me lol Dude, lets be honest. You know I'm telling the truth subconsciously. You nerds wouldn't be so defensive. The defensive nature of TRP mods confirms they are weak betas. Alphas are never that butthurt so easily due to real confidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 02:19 AM
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Most bodybuilder men aren't "fit" due to usage of steroids, HGH, etc to obtain such a ridiculously over muscled physique. That is why thee is such a high mortality rate among Mr O competitors and former WWE stars. But men with BMIs in the higher 20s to mid 30s can be quite healthy (not fat) due to natural differences in lean body mass from a healthy lifestyle. Most females have very low lean mass, so women who run BMIs on the higher end of normal are often obese. A female BMI of 23 is often equa…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 02:17 AM
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Women are actually more OBESE than men in the USA by a good margin due to the inadequacies of BMI determining body fat percentages.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 02:11 AM
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BMI actually underestimates obesity in females and often overestimates it in males due to differences in lean body mass. http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0033308
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 02:08 AM
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you too killer
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 02:07 AM
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I read the MRA blogs mostly. I have concluded that most of the TRPs are weak nerds that try to be "fake" alphas. There are a few genuine alpha/high beta dudes but not many on there. That is why you see the insecurity on TRP constantly showing up among the mods. Its a venue for losers to make themselves feel "alpha" by bragging online. Kinda like the PUA scam
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 02:06 AM
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did your weak beta boyfriend "Red Pill Watchtower" send you over to say that?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 02:05 AM
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Yes but there was a large segment of fat women who argued they were "fit" despite being "fat". They also argued they were in "better shape" than "couch potato skinny women"
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 02:04 AM
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The fat acceptance movement would be equivalent to some of the PUA/TRP beta movement dudes.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 02:02 AM
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It has a link to the study from Sweden. Its quoting the actual study showing mortality is worse for fat people with high BMIs despite being "fit"
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 02:02 AM
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cool story brah. But I wouldn't be beating up students too often and "banging" their girlfriends. There is always someone tougher out there plus with weapons, things can get dangerous for you. Some weak tae kwon do dude could get hurt on the streets acting that way lol
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 01:53 AM
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lol coming here to defend your boyfriend too? Cute romance you got going. Im happy that you guys have each other because we know no woman wants you brah.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 01:50 AM
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Your boyfriend "The Red Pill Watchtower" was the main actor in that movie He did a good job but its unfortunate he's attempting to act "alpha" these days.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 01:44 AM
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wow good point brah But why deny the reality? Most TRP dudes are low value and insecure betas. That is why that mod acted that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 01:42 AM
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cool story brah now back to revenge of the nerds
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 01:41 AM
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lol cool story bro I doubt you are fighting in the UFC. Being "ranked" in Tae Kwon Doe means shit
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 01:32 AM
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Never cried that I'm "alpha" online though lol I am speaking the reality of TRP subreddit dudes. Many of them are betas who pretend to be alpha. Their theoretical arguments sound positive but they are mostly a joke on the SMP. That is why they are insecure in terms of "banning" other opinions.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 01:30 AM
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lol u mad
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 01:27 AM
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BP appears to be correct about a lot of TRP moderators. Who would "ban" someone over making a pretty benign comment on PPD about a "two week suspension". I haven't found this on any other subreddit. It confirms that most of these guys are fake alphas who have very thin skin because they understand subconsciously that they are fakes.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 01:24 AM
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Not at all. It confirms my assessment on TRP dudes. Most are TFL nerds that fake trying to be "alpha". They talk a good game online but its very unlikely in real life. Thats why they are so insecure in them attempting to "ban" people
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 01:22 AM
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LOL I find it amusing actually. Im enjoying it
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 01:18 AM
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I can't understand this gibberish. If you think some "moderator" that bans people for speaking about a two week suspension is "alpha", then TRP is filled with alpha mods. How many alpha type dudes act that way in real life?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 01:15 AM
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My "ban" was over stating one post that I was "banned for 2 weeks on TRP" to another poster. That was literally the reason given lol
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 01:14 AM
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LOL you sound mad that I dissed your boyfriend. Bro, lets be honest. Most of the mods at TRP are early 20s computer nerds that literally appear from the movie "revenge of the nerds". With such weak nerds as the "representatives" of TRP, the mainstream won't believe the alpha talk.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 01:10 AM
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I was just trying to explain to the other dude that got "banned" on TRP there is nothing to be concerned about. That is a natural pattern over there.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 01:08 AM
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You mad bro? TRP is filled with weak betas who attempt to fake being alpha through rhetoric. Lets be honest. Very few TRP dudes can become high betas/low alphas. The behavior of the moderator at TRP confirms this analysis.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 01:06 AM
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Not at all. I still hold TRP views in general but I realize that most TRP "mods" are usually little weak nerds who fake being alpha. Its kinda sad to see that really but the reality remains.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 01:05 AM
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Some weak beta nerd named " The Red Pill Watchtower" banned me from TRP as well. Nothing to be concerned about. Most of the "moderators" on TRP are skinny little nerds that fake being "alpha" on the internet. They often use phony metrics to attempt being "alpha" but can never amount to it in real life. So your analysis is unfortunately true for many TRP nerds.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 01:03 AM
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I agree but both sides of the debate are guilty of "jealousy" by that logic. In fact, I see far more "fat is beautiful" feminists being jealous of VS models/hot women than men that are jealous of "attractive Chads"
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 12:20 AM
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No they weren't lol What about Google? What about Apple? Most of Silicon Valley is run by NERDS. Look at the Head of Goldman Sachs: Wasn't a Chad Head of JP Morgan: wasn't a chad If you look at the top people on the Forbes list, very few of them were conventionally "sexy" Chad type dudes. Im in the medical profession, there are very few "Chads" among physicians. Most are former hs/college nerds. You're watching too much Grey's anatomy or something
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 12:16 AM
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Sounds like your average bitter fat feminist who is jealous of Victoria Secret models too
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 12:13 AM
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The oxytocin argument has been covered before. This is nothing new.
/r/TheRedPill20/12/15 11:55 PM
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You mad bro? Not butt hurt at all. Just pointing out that the "instructor" dude is a scumbag just like the chick.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/15 11:49 PM
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Obtaining a woman with a "lower sex drive" by your logic might be beneficial in general. If some chick is going to fuck a pool boy, she is going to do it regardless of age. I know plenty of younger dudes whose girlfriends/wives have cheated on them. Im a 36 y/o male with a 25 y/o female. Never had an issue with concern about her cheating. My previous gf in her 30s was more likely to cheat. I have no issues in the "sex" department either. The rest are trade offs. A 30 year old woman would be 45 u…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/15 11:47 PM
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I got banned for 2 weeks for some bullshit on TRP as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/15 11:42 PM
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1) TRP never denied looks don't matter. Nice straw man argument though. Why would TRP discuss "lifting" and "improving clothes", "haircut", etc as an important issue? 2) There is truth to both ends of this argument. Plenty of women that are "party girls" become worthless sluts by their 30s who have to settle for a low level beta bucks dude (if at all). Plenty of "Chad" frat boys are surpassed in the job market by the "nerds". Most dudes running top companies, physicians, etc were "nerds" not "Ch…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/15 11:42 PM
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That's an extreme age difference. I'm speaking about 10 to 15 year gaps
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/15 10:04 PM
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He's a faggot for banging a students gf. Bottom line. The chick is a slut too, not question about it. But this dude is about the same level as the chick.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/15 10:03 PM
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Yes but all things being equal, the 20s female is superior. The woman in her 30s would have to be MUCH hotter to justify the expense.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/15 09:30 PM
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Ok. But the clear choice is the female in her 20s unless the one in her 30s has some major advantages in other ways
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/15 09:25 PM
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What percentage of women are hot in their 30s? Also, even if the woman in her 30s is hot, why wouldn't I chose the mid 20s female who will stay hot/fertile for a longer period of time?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/15 09:21 PM
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Everyone has to "trade off" in the sexual marketplace. Often, older fit men who are successful are sexually appealing to younger women. A list celebrity males are just one example.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/15 09:15 PM
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Wow you sound like a badass. Beating up one of your own students than fucking his gf. Would love to see you being a tough guy with a real mma fighter.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/15 09:13 PM
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It's my experience and the experience of top modeling agencies
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/15 09:08 PM
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Lol still see no evidence just rationalization and semantic gymnastics. Feminist 101 logic.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/15 09:08 PM
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Could be hot but mostly aren't in America. Plus, the hot woman in her 20s has more years of being hot than the one in her 30s
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/15 09:06 PM
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Any woman of any age can fuck a pool boy. That argument just supports the need to avoid marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/15 09:05 PM
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Yes and most 33 year old successful men will want a woman in her 20s. Ergo, her ability to secure commitment has been reduced. If she wants a high level of success in a potential mate, she will likely have to marry significantly older men
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/15 09:04 PM
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Cool rationalization lol
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/15 09:02 PM
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Cool story about straw man arguments that I never made. 1) Most American women decline significantly by their 30s in looks. This is worsened by the female obesity epidemic, tanning, drugs, etc. If I could acquire a female in her 20s with a better fertility window, why would I not choose her? 2) I linked a second article showing the second marriage difference for men on the Forbes list being 22.32 years. The limitation of men marrying down appears to be correlated to SES status. The higher he sta…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/15 09:01 PM
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Who makes your evidence "convincing"? Your friend told you so? Feminism 101
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/15 07:21 PM
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Societies compete through whom they give "status" to. Societies that give "status" to intelligent, hard working men in industrious professions (China, Asian societies) will defeat societies that give "status" to societies that value celebrities, sports players, etc. Female sexuality will be attracted to the men who are given status in respective societies.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/15 07:17 PM
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I just was in London approximately 3 months ago. British women age very poorly in their 30s.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/15 07:16 PM
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I have plenty of anecdotal evidence that martians exist on the moon. My friend used a telescope and saw martians walking around the moon just last week! Guess martians live on the moon!
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/15 07:15 PM
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You have a false notion that older women find him "attractive" for anything but his resources compared to younger women. Yet, you never see older women being interested in men around their age who are "unemployed, poor, etc". Ergo, both sexes obtain the most they can in a relationship. For men, the younger/hotter is better. I don't see women of ANY age that truly "care" for their husbands when things go bad. I see PLENTY of old women divorcing their husbands without issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/15 07:15 PM
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Tupac stated in his songs this experience. When Tupac was broke, women weren't interested. Once he got status, he became "sexy" to women. Notorious BIG had the same experience. Rappers speak about this all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/15 07:04 PM
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My gf really doesn't have any male friends. Most married couple friends and female friends. If a female has too many "male friends", there can be cause for concern.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/15 07:03 PM
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Status is a man made concept based upon the values of that society. Ergo, a "baseball player" that is top in his field commands 10s of millions of dollars in America but almost nothing in the rest of the world. This is true for basketball, football, etc. Female sexuality is very malleable. Women are often just attracted to men with STATUS based upon the society's value system. That is why a skinny nerd like Adam Levine can date supermodels (VS) while your local gym rat that is more muscular, lea…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/15 07:02 PM
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You suspect based upon no evidence. Feminism 101
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/15 06:59 PM
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Correct. The function of "small age gaps" for "first marriages" that are often cited by BP/feminist women to prove that men don't often marry/date younger women was based upon marriages in their early 20s. Ergo, this stat doesn't hold up for older men in the 30+ range, especially ones with higher status.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/15 06:57 PM
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Where is that? Also, even if the woman looks good in her mid 30s, why would I rather marry her than an equally good looking female in her mid 20s? The mid 20s will be younger, more fertile and her looks will LAST LONGER than the mid 30s counterpart.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/15 06:55 PM
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You have no evidence for your assertion but just make blanket comments about "trends". BP logic 101. Wishful thinking therefore it is! Then people wonder why feminists aren't logical lol
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/15 06:54 PM
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LOL besides a few internet websites, please give me a pew poll or some other marriage data stats confirming this assertion. You just linked hyped articles about old women and sex tourism. None of this shows stats about marriage rates of older women/younger men in regards to SES.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/15 06:48 PM
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From my experience, most American women don't take care of themselves. Ergo, they decline rapidly in their late 20s to 30s.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/15 06:42 PM
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I have to agree with Rollo on everything to be red pill? I agree with very simple concepts of "hypergamy" for women vs youth/beauty for male criteria in mate selection. But even "hypergamy" is very culturally dependent. In America 2015, "hypergamy" means low IQ "celebrities" who are very wealthy, sports players, etc. In China 2015, "hypergamy" usually means the smart, nerdy guys who earn high salaries such as engineers, physicians, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/15 06:39 PM
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The "effect" of "older women" marrying "younger men" was very small compared to the opposite. Where in the article does it break it down by SES class? Show me a study showing RICH older women marrying younger men. I have shown the opposite quite well. Also, most women "marry" men due to money issues. That is why poor, unemployed men are not getting marriage offers very often.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/15 06:36 PM
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How many women in their 30s can compete with women in their 20s in the looks department? Forget about fertility issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/15 06:34 PM
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You cited an article that shows that older, rich women are marrying younger men with less money? My article didn't show that at all. Show your source for this assertion.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/15 06:29 PM
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You don't have to. Most polling data done by men confirm this. Furthermore, VS models confirm this as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/15 06:27 PM
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Most women of all ages are "gold diggers" How many women of any age want to date poor, unemployed men? I see no correlation between age and "gold digging". Older women will declare younger women are "gold diggers" due to their inability to compete with the younger females. I often found women in their 30s to be bigger gold diggers than 20s.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/15 06:26 PM
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Got any data on that? Of course not.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/15 06:24 PM
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Very few women remain "hot" into their 30s. That is why VS models retire by their 30s on average with very few exceptions. The second marriage data confirms men in the 30+ category often marry women in the 20-29 category if they can obtain it. Higher SES men (the group the 30+ year old women want the most) are able to attract significantly younger women and usually go for them rather than similar aged females.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/15 06:24 PM
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I have provided the evidence including SECOND MARRIAGE rates for Forbes men, averaging women 22.32 years younger! The second analysis is false. Older, rich women DO NOT prefer to marry younger men with no money. They prefer equal aged men who are wealthy.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/15 06:19 PM
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Correct but feminists/BP people often talk about the fact that "most marriages have small age gaps", attempting to use this data to "prove" that men go for similar aged women mostly. This is a very false stat because it uses FIRST MARRIAGE data that is often from the 1980s. When you look at the ages that people used to get married, it was often by 22 for >80% of women. Considering men of ALL AGES find women in their early to mid 20s the most attractive, it would make sense that the "age gap" was…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/15 06:17 PM
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Made a new post discussing it
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/15 06:09 PM
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Thats because the "studies" are mostly from the 1980s marriage patterns. The "age differences" were very small in the early 1980s because most people got married in their EARLY 20s! Ergo, the "second marriage" studies are more appropriate these days. When one studies "second marriages", men in the 30 plus range quite often marry women 5-10+ years younger. When the cohort was stratified (higher SES men in the 30+ range), approximately 40% married women over 10 years younger.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/15 05:49 PM
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Medical School actually.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/15 05:47 PM
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Its foolish to risk your life like that for a stranger. Men need to smarten up and avoid those situations.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/15 05:12 PM
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You are emotional in your responses. Its almost childish. No one has "authority" over determining the validity of "science". Science isn't done by decrees from above about "science". Anyone who speaks like this has no concept of the history of science and is not a real scientist.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/15 05:12 PM
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No other "science" has as bad of a track record of "reproducibility" as evopsych. Surely not chemistry, physics, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/15 05:11 PM
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Yes but you are speaking about specific areas of corruption. The WHOLE FIELD of Evopsych is a fraud.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/15 05:10 PM
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Im bored with you as well lol
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/15 05:09 PM
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In my MBA program, we had a neurosurgeon rotate through the program. He had DIVORCED his cardiologist wife due to being unable to get along. He married a stay at home nanny woman who was 20 years younger than himself for his second marriage and had children with her. This is very common.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/15 04:39 PM
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Thats patently false. Plenty of "celebrity rich men" marry women who are far younger/poorer than themselves from lower social classes.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/15 04:38 PM
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Actually, you argue about "science" like an emotional female.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/15 04:33 PM
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I have linked the nature article about the lack of reproducible studies in psychology and have proven that evopsych isn't a "science" on the most basic of levels. Evopsych fails by being unable to make falsifiable hypotheses, unable to reproduce its studies and fails to even establish a sufficient DATA BASE to make any of its assertions considering we have no data on human behavior from "millions of years ago". Its speculation.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/15 04:32 PM
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She's just too emotional about the field. She isn't speaking very "scientifically"
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/15 04:30 PM
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Game theory has marginal utility in the real world outside of simulations. Game theory has nothing to do with evopsych.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/15 04:29 PM
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Very few concepts in psychology are able to be validated or reproduced.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/15 04:26 PM
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lol so I guess the Newtonian laws of physics aren't reproducible?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/15 04:26 PM
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Its not a science due to: 1) Lack of reproducible studies 2) Lack of falsifiable hypotheses 3) Lack of empirical data concerning psychological behavior across time/cultures
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/15 01:53 AM
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Neither do you lol
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/15 01:52 AM
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You're a typical liberal that cries everyone isn't a "scientist" if they don't believe your nonsense. Sounds like the D student Al Gore about "global warming" deciding who is a "real scientist" lol None of the stuff you mentioned have anything to do with evopsych, ergo its irrelevant to this conversation. I choose to stay on topic.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/15 01:45 AM
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You can spend your whole life studying astrology too. Doesn't make it "science"
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/15 01:34 AM
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LOL HA HA HA HA HA HA Wait a minute. HA HA HA HA AH AH AHHA AHHA Good one.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/15 01:31 AM
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How do you test these "hypotheses"? How can you test the psychological tendencies of male/female relations throughout history? Your "studies" are simple BULLSHIT surveys of college students. Thats it, literally with a bunch of extra speculation about "evolution" that has NO EVIDENCE.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/15 01:30 AM
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You can't tell anything lol Yes, I've taken histology courses before at the graduate level. The rest of the stuff you say is nonsense. You are just speaking about how other types of biological science can be corrupted. The difference is that all of evopsych is speculation. Basic Histology is quite scientific and far more quantifiable than evopsych bullshit. You are unable to PROVE that evopsych is scientific at the most rudimentary level
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/15 01:27 AM
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Psychology doesn't "explain" anything. It just SPECULATES on the reasons without any empirical evidence outside of simple "surveys" of undergrad students.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/15 01:22 AM
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The difference is that evopsych has literally no studies that are truly reproducible. The whole field of "evopscyh" really has no seminal studies such as real sciences such as physics, chemistry, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/15 01:21 AM
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The "brain" is highly malleable. Preferences/mating strategies can change due to temporal conditions. There are a few simple premises of "evopsych" that can ascertained as likely true, such as the female being the rate limiting step in reproduction. The vast majority of it is bunk, dependent on "surveys" of undergrad Western college students in a post 1960s environment. To "guess" that the "mating patterns" of modern undergrad American women/men in 2015 has been the same throughout history due t…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/15 01:12 AM
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I agree except that medical science has some empirically reproducible studies. For instance, does penicillin work on a specific bacteria or not? That can be easily proven and seen. More complex diseases such as atherosclerosis and the lipid hypothesis have major problems with scientific understanding. Medical "science" has been subverted in recent years due to conflicts of interests, big pharm, device companies, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/15 01:10 AM
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You can't differentiate which part is "nature" and which is "nuture". Evopsych just claims every preference or mating selection noted on "surveys" of mostly undergraduate Westerners post 1960s is due to "evolution". There isn't even cross culture comparisons, let alone temporal comparisons between great civilizations. Mating preferences vary considerably, even in the Western world. 1950s mating patterns are far different for Westerners than 2015. Which one was due to "evolution"?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/15 01:03 AM
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Its a very big problem for the future of a society. The Western world has gone away from monogamy with no fault divorce/alimony/child support, allowing women free reign in terms of their hypergamy. This is a very unstable situation that leads to single mothers, low birth rates with replacement of native populations with "immigrants" that follow patriarchal monogamous cultures. No society can last for more than few generations without the basic family unit without being conquered by other patriar…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/15 01:01 AM
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There are really no good "studies". The whole field is not replicable and is very depend on the culture of the people being "surveyed".
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/15 12:58 AM
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This second "study" states in the conclusion that "mate selection is highly temporally related". Ergo, the ENVIRONMENT such as CULTURE play a very large role in mate selection (according to this "study"). How could that be? It should be constant among different cultures considering its "innate" and due to "evolution"?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/15 12:56 AM
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Most psychology "studies" aren't even reproducible, which is a basic tenet of science http://www.nature.com/news/over-half-of-psychology-studies-fail-reproducibility-test-1.18248 Evopsych is even a bigger joke than regular psych
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/15 12:53 AM
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Women say in a survey say that they like broad shoulders (usually 100 undergraduate upper middle class white women): Evopsych person claims its "evolution" that causes women to select this. Its UNFALSIFIABLE lol
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/15 12:52 AM
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Yes it is mostly bullshit. http://www.nature.com/news/over-half-of-psychology-studies-fail-reproducibility-test-1.18248
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/15 12:51 AM
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Please link ANY study that has been done in evopsych that is falsifiable using data. I have yet to see anything but speculation from surveys. That is NOT science. Furthermore, most psychology articles are NOT reproducible, let alone evopsych. "We find that in many ancient societies being a soldier was prized" means exactly what? You're just speculating about this stuff, which isn't science. Where is the hypothesis and falsifiable experiment? That is all bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/15 12:30 AM
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The problem with "evopsych" is the lack of empirically based data that can be used to prove their assertions. Evopsych CAN'T obtain data from "millions of years ago" to determine the behavior/psychology of prehistoric mankind. Essentially, evopsych "scientists" will survey some kind of current cultural finding and speculate how it has been around for "millions of years" with a "evolutionary" speculation. How does one prove any of these assertions or generalizations? Its clearly not science. Ther…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/15 10:55 PM
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I missed nothing
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/15 10:50 PM
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Very good article, I have read those before. Far more inefficient to train females but that is the Western world
/r/TheRedPill19/12/15 10:50 PM
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In terms of athletic competition. They would get destroyed by powerlifters in terms of weight lifting, destroyed by athletes in any other sport, etc
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/15 05:01 PM
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Then why are there so many women crying about "where are the good men" in their 30s? The feminists are constantly crying that the "successful men" are dipping down into younger females rather than dating women in their 30s. So from the feminists own writings, it appears accurate for many women/men in their 30s.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/15 04:32 PM
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Hugh Jackman is photoshopped to shit in his Wolverine movies. He also dehydrates himself before the shoot, puts on makeup, etc. He is likely doing a steroid cycle before his movies as well since he is already in his mid 40s
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/15 04:21 PM
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All top powerlifters use roids. But they are competing in an OBJECTIVE sport unlike bodybuilders, who can't do shit in terms of competition. You are right that it is a "male beauty contest" mostly for other men. Women don't watch it. That is why it is a FRINGE thing unlike VS models
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/15 04:20 PM
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All these women have retired from VS model. Their money comes from prior investments made during their PEAK years.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/15 04:17 PM
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First off, Tatum looked better in the movie than in his "stripper" days. He was far more muscular and "ripped" in the movie. This could've been largely due to photoshop (likely), since he never looks that good in beach pics. However, he looked better in that movie than EVER before.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/15 04:17 PM
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Yeah but it was clearly a fraud. Ashton used it for celebrity and dumped her quickly for a younger female.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/15 04:15 PM
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I guess Hollywood must not care about their "female" audiences then by making all these dudes A list sexy actors instead of 20 year olds.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/15 04:15 PM
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LOL cool story
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/15 05:12 PM
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This has been happening in medicine for at least 15 years as well. I don't see how the Western world will remain competitive at this rate.
/r/TheRedPill18/12/15 02:58 PM
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So accurate. It was bad in grad school already 10 years ago with strong AA for women. Shit was Hunger Games in those days. It has trickled down to the colleges now.
/r/TheRedPill18/12/15 02:35 PM
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Cool story but untrue. Feminists want to keep ahead of the MRA. There are many disgruntled men who are potential allies of the MRA. Feminism is attempting to subvert the MRA to prevent them from changing over against feminism.
/r/MensRights18/12/15 12:26 PM
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Elam is largely disliked because of his disagreeable behavior. Notice how many people have left the AVFM due to being unable to get along with Elam. The list includes: Chapin, Atilla Vincer, JTO, etc Most former MRAs and allies of AVFM have turned decidedly hostile to Elam due to his disagreeable attitude. He doesn't form a "unified" group but runs things like a hostile dictator, which alienates large segments of the MRA.
/r/MensRights18/12/15 12:23 PM
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good
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/15 04:01 AM
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Thats due to fat feminists demanding men find them attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/15 04:01 AM
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lol
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/15 04:00 AM
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Interesting argument but inaccurate in assessment.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/15 04:00 AM
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Those women are in the twilight of the career.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/15 03:58 AM
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Having a child out of wedlock like the ROCK is a good idea actually
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/15 03:24 AM
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Why not? Those movies still sell very well.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/15 01:51 AM
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cool, just don't cry when you get older about "where have the good men gone"?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/15 01:49 AM
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There are fat men but they aren't considered "hot" except for possibly Tony Soprano lol
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/15 01:49 AM
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Oh well, tough shit. Let feminists make their own movies. Lets see if they can make a profit lol
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/15 12:49 AM
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Damn right. Men don't want older women in those roles due to biology. Even when hollywood made good movies, it still only wanted younger women for lead roles.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/15 12:43 AM
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There are also roles for fat pigs like Amy Schumer, Rosie O Donnell, etc
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/15 12:39 AM
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Yup, so older male actors with younger females will always be the norm.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/15 12:39 AM
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Or they could end up a spinster lol
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/15 12:31 AM
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Yes but higher level/successful men will not date women their age. Ergo, older women can only get lower level guys their age or older.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/15 12:30 AM
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an "average guy" with "average income" doesn't have much leverage in the dating market.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/15 12:25 AM
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Yet most 30+ men prefer to see women in their early to mid 20s. Interesting sexual dynamics aren't they?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/15 12:23 AM
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Look under new posts on PPD
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/15 12:20 AM
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Its plenty fair. Women get a significant SMV advantage over men in their 20s but flame out by their 30s. Successful men who are fit can improve their SMV beyond women, especially equivalent women who hit their 30s. Women's best method is to obtain a high value male during their 20s. Nothing "unfair" about the differences in sexual dynamics. Its nature.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/15 12:19 AM
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Yes but "feminists" don't represent that large of a segment. Most women appear to prefer men >30 as lead actors.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/15 12:17 AM
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I've added another post comparing female actresses to male actors. Its a direct comparison, so you can't play games with semantics.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/15 12:15 AM
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Thats true but why don't women demand younger male actors then?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/15 12:14 AM
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Here's 38 y/o Liv Tyler bitching about how she is a Second class citizen lol http://www.salon.com/2015/09/24/liv_tyler_as_a_38_year_old_woman_she_is_a_second_class_citizen_in_hollywood/
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 11:54 PM
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Nice feminist straw man about "hating women" lol http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-3220841/Anne-Hathaway-32-losing-parts-younger-actresses.html#comments
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 11:20 PM
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lol true
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 11:04 PM
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"Killed" means it made more than it cost. Ergo, it didn't kill anything from a profit standpoint.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 11:04 PM
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They generally are NOT attracted to these things. Men will short term use a Demi Moore or Sofia to get extra fame if they are lower status. Ashton dumped Demi quickly after he became famous and married a younger female.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 11:00 PM
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So you don't think those A list actors I've mentioned can't negotiate ONS or short term sexual relationships? Please lol
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 10:58 PM
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It does. Women are genuinely more attracted to higher status males. How often do you see a female divorce an older/high status male for the younger pool boy? Demi Moore almost had a breakdown when Ashton Kutcher got rid of her due to age. She is also unable to have children with him. Bruce Willis is dating a woman >20 years younger than himself that he was able to have children with. I highly doubt she will leave Bruce for a younger male with less status. The reverse is very common. Men will oft…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 10:57 PM
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He is garbage musically and looks wise from what I can see. Yet he is able to secure TOP level VS models. He does far better with women than any 22 y/o old "male model" lol
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 10:53 PM
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38 is post wall for high level women.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 10:52 PM
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She retired at 34, which is very good for a VS model. She was the TOP model though. The avg VS model retires by 28.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 10:52 PM
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Yes but he was the MAIN star and still a "sex symbol". He can't be the "love interest" for his own daughter lol The 23 y/o dude was a nobody.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 10:51 PM
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http://deadline.com/2015/06/mad-max-fury-road-runs-over-300m-looks-to-international-box-office-to-carry-it-1201438807/ Its still not making much of a profit compared to its costs.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 10:50 PM
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You are a feminist, don't deny it. I love how feminists deny they are feminists. In 10 years from now, Rosie's SMV will have collapsed, so they will remain "equivalent" in SMV. She will no longer be a VS model and unless she is smart like Gieselle with investments, Statham might even have a higher SMV than her.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 10:22 PM
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More successful men in their 30s with status/income who maintained their physique beat men in their 20s who have neither. That is all I am speaking about in SMV. I have given many examples, you have given no counter examples.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 10:21 PM
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LOL yet this doesn't negate my argument about SMV
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 10:20 PM
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Gisele is NOT a current VS model. She has INVESTMENTS from her VS model days. She has retired many years ago due to her decreasing "sex symbol" status but has invested very well. She was quite intelligent in her business sense. She has far lower SMV for the vast majority of men compared to younger VS models. That is why she has retired due to getting too old for being a VS model. Looks are only one factor in SMV for men. There are far more factors than that. Ergo, men peak in overall SMV in thei…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 10:19 PM
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He's disgusting yet TONS of women find him hot. I hear women arguing with me constantly about how "hot" he is. This includes many attractive women in their 20s.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 10:17 PM
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He married her due to her fame/money. Lets see how long that lasts. Its likely another Ashton/Demi situation where he will dump her in a few years for a younger/hotter model after he gets some extra fame out of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 10:16 PM
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LOL never said anything was magical.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 10:16 PM
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What men find Vergara hotter than the equivalent 20s VS model? Her fan base is decidedly FEMALE as are most "famous" older women like Oprah, Ellen, etc. The Kardashians are famous due to WOMEN too. This is definitely different than A list male celebrities who women swoon over, buy countless magazines reading about, gossip about, etc. Joe Manganiello is near 40, giving another example of a male whose SMV is far higher in his late 30s than early 20s. The dude even said it during an interview that …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 10:12 PM
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Chris is 32-33, that is correct. He was considered the top male this year. Last year was 36 y/o Adam Levine. Before that it was Brad Pitt in his 40s, Cooper at 40, etc. Liam is only now becoming famous largely due to his brother Chris, who pushed for him.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 10:09 PM
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Which VS model is currently 34 and 35? Top paid male models are far inferior to A list celebrities, billionaire men,etc. Ergo, other factors are more important for men than being a "model" UNLIKE women in terms of SMV.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 10:08 PM
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I agree. I've been arguing this for the WHOLE post lol
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 10:07 PM
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I never said 17. I love how you feminists always ADD stuff I never wrote. I said EARLY TO MID 20s (22-26) have been deemed the MOST attractive women on surveys. Chris, Tatum, etc are definitely on the "radar" lol Hell, Statham at 47 is dating a 27 year old SUPERMODEL
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 10:07 PM
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Depends on the "college age woman". Also, surveys show men find early to mid 20s women the most attractive. Mid 30s men definitely can achieve that easily if they are successful/fit.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 10:05 PM
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Women are already on a major decline by 30s unlike successful/fit men.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 10:04 PM
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Meryl Streep is A list since when? HA HA HA HA HA The only one of that list you can argue that was a RECENT star in a BIG MOVIE was Bullock. The rest of the stars of the biggest movies of 2015 that were FEMALE were younger. Compare that to the BIGGEST movies of 2015 for male actors: Vin Diesel (late 40s), Rock (late 40s), Marky Mark ( mid 40s), Brad Cooper (40), Jason Statham (late 40s), Liam Neeson (60s), etc
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 10:04 PM
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Aniston is over the hill by far. Brad Pitt dumped her for a hotter/younger Angelina Jolie. Aniston isn't A list anymore. She isn't the main star in any top movies in recent memory. Witherspoon is famous still? What movies in the few years has she been the main star in again? Bullock had one recent movie where she was the main star with Clooney but has fallen off compared to Jennifer Lawrence (25) who was the star of hunger games. There are FAR more older A list male stars than female ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 10:01 PM
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Sofia isn't a star among men. She is mostly popular among women who buy her cosmetics. How often do you see men swooning over her compared to VS models? Come on.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 09:58 PM
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But you can't "acquire" them in your 20s for almost anyone. None of the famous A list dudes were able to do it in their 20s outside of maybe Tom Cruise? 30+ Tatum and Chris Hemsworth >>>>> early 20s Chris and Tatum
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 09:57 PM
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Except there are far more A list actors in their 40s and 50s (males) than female actresses. They are usually under 40. Demi Moore fell off while Bruce remained strong. That is just one of MANY examples.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 09:56 PM
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Correct. Plus these dudes aren't even close to their Peak yet. Chris just got "big" in the last few years and is only starting to peak. By this point, an equivalent VS model would be close to retirement.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 09:55 PM
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I never said "teens". I said early to mid 20s.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 09:54 PM
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Yet high status/high value men go for VS models. Very few high status women pair up with "male models". Rich women and/or famous women don't go for those types of dudes for LTR.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 09:53 PM
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Chris is in his 30s already.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 09:52 PM
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I agree but men's SMV is dependent on many factors such as status/height/income, etc more than just physique and youth. Women are much more based on youth and physique. Both sexes has their set of advantages and disadvantages.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 09:52 PM
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Why are the famous male actors far older than female ones on average? Why are female models always so young? Why are female models (top) paid far higher than top male models? There are clear differences in SMV for men and women when looking at the APEX of SMV people. This can be extended into the broader SMP
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 07:32 PM
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Sofia Vergara is rich due to cosmetic sales to WOMEN. She isn't well known by most men. Furthermore, guys don't usually have "celebrity crushes" like women swoon over actors. They just know which women are the HOTTEST and like to watch movies with them in it. Jason Statham consistently dates supermodels in their 20s. Compare Bruce Willis to Demi Moore. He held his own far longer than she did. She fell off much faster due to age. She was a top actress back in the day but fell off due to age. Will…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 07:30 PM
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What recent movies has she been the lead actress in? Jennifer Lawrence was the highest paid actress this year. She is 25. Name an actor that is 25 that is A list these days, let alone the top paid lol She "starred" in Mad Max (a feminist change to the movie) which BOMBED in the box office. She hasn't been a top actress for years besides this.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 07:26 PM
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Sofia Vergara isn't "peaking" due to men but women. That is the difference. Men like younger VS models far better. Women like A list celebrities better than male models who are younger. Ergo, VS models date A list older male celebrities.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 07:17 PM
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Yes but TOP female models MAKE 10 times MORE than male models. Why are top, younger female models valued so much more than younger male models? You haven't answered that. Why do top level VS models usually date older/successful men over their equivalent male models? VS models are the HIGHEST SMV in the world, they can date almost anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 07:15 PM
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Yes but women find the combination of traits including looks to be far more important than just looks. A slightly better looking "male model" in his 20s will get inferior women to an Adam Levine, Tatum, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 07:14 PM
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Male models make SHIT money compared to VS models. Why is that? Because men's SMV is based on far more than "looks", which is only ONE component. Ergo, older more established men with their looks largely intact (30s-50s) have higher SMV than equivalent males in their early 20s. This is UNLIKE females who are almost solely based on looks/youth for SMV.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 07:13 PM
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Very few top female actresses are older than 40 compared to males. Most of the famous ones are in their 20s to early/mid 30s.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 07:12 PM
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Charlize Theron is not getting better roles than younger/hotter models. That is why Tara Reid already fell off. That is why male actors are paired with much younger women in movies. Feminists are so angry about this that they bitched to the high hilt lol
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 07:11 PM
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I didn't say "some", I said the VAST MAJORITY of VS models are in their 20s. They are ALL declining by their 30s UNLIKE male actors.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 07:10 PM
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You say that but he was deemed the sexist man alive in the last few years. He is still able to command A list roles in movies as the LEAD actor.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 07:10 PM
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Then why aren't the most famous/sexiest men in their early 20s like Victoria Secret models? That is the HUGE difference. Why are male models so less valuable than female models of equivalent ages?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 07:09 PM
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Yes but none of those women you mentioned at PEAKING now. Margot Robbie is in the new Tarzan movie, Wolf of Wallstreet, etc. Sofia Vergara is famous for fashion not an A list celebrity female. She can't compete with VS models.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 07:08 PM
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No its not. I am using the APEX people in terms of SMV for both males/females to make my example. If its true at the APEX, these principles apply downward as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 06:59 PM
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They claim he is "sexiest man alive" though. SMV of a male is determined by the level of females they can acquire. Ergo, status/money are a big role in attracting women not just physique/youth for males. That is why men can LAST MUCH LONGER at high SMV than females. Female SMV is far more youth/physique oriented.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 06:59 PM
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Yes but there are NO OLDER MODEL brands of any equivalent. Ergo, they are the PEAK SMV for females.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 06:57 PM
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I think he's a loser but I am using him as an example. He was considered the "sexist man alive" in his mid 30s.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 06:57 PM
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I am arguing that they are both the SAME THING. SMV of a male is determined by more than just "peak" physique/looks. Also, Chris Hemsworth/Tatum are in far better shape in their 30s than 20s. Hemsworth was a skinny bitch in his early 20s.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 06:56 PM
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That was his starting role and the youngest yet to START to become an A list celebrity. Tom Cruise peaked after that and is still quite famous in his 50s.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 06:55 PM
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Nice strawman My argument is that A list actors have higher SMV than "male models". Most A list actors peak in their mid 30s and higher. Male models are mostly jokes who make minimal amounts of money compared to A list actors. Most VS models are in their 20s with a FEW in their early 30s.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 06:52 PM
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Yes please name some A list female actresses that have increased in fame/status when getting older compared to younger. Female actresses with fame are far younger. Margot Robbie comes to mind. They age out far quicker than male actors.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 06:51 PM
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You are attempting to differentiate fame/status from SMV for Hemsworth. That can't be done for men. That is the point. Leonardo is still very high in SMP. He is routinely dating early 20s models. Many women would still rank him top.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 06:50 PM
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Are you kidding me? Tatum has only RECENTLY gotten A list famous. His biggest roles were MAGIC MIKE in his mid 30s! Hemsworth might have STARTED in his teens but has only become A list in the last few years since Thor. Hemsworth hasn't PEAKED yet, he is still growing in SMV in his 30s compared to early 20s. Hemsworth is in far better shape in his early 30s than early 20s, much more famous, much "sexier" in terms of lists, still growing in fame, etc. Hemsworth has much growth still. Name any VS m…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 06:39 PM
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Yes these guys PEAKED in terms of career in their 30s/40s. They remained sexier up to their 50s in terms of the level of female they could attract compared to their early 20s.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 06:37 PM
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I never said that but thanks for the false strawman argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 06:36 PM
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Yet, Marky Mark gets his highest level A list roles in his 30s/40s rather than early 20s. Why not discard Marky Mark and get a younger model like with women? VS surely doesn't keep women over 34 or so.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 06:36 PM
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Are you claiming PITT was at his PEAK as a celebrity in his teens? At what age was his TOP MOVIES? SMV for men are more than just pure "looks". Ergo, the "sexist man alive" isn't some early 20s juice head dude but some skinny guy like Adam Levine in his mid to late 30s last year.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 06:35 PM
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BP women have claimed this in multiple posts. TRP don't say women sexually peak in their 30s but early to mid 20s. This is confirmed by ages of VS models at their PEAK! Who has higher SMV than male celebrities who women SWOON over in mass numbers?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 06:31 PM
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That is the BP argument that men "peak" in early 20s like females. BP women are angry about the reality of biology and want to pretend it works the same between men/women in terms of sexual market value.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 06:30 PM
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That is correct. Women value more than "physique". That is why skinny Adam Levine is considered "sexy" far more than an early 20s poor bodybuilder. He can pull TOP VS models in their mid 20s due to these factors. These are the HOTTEST/HIGHEST SMV females out there.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 06:29 PM
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You added a bunch of guys I never listed. Jack Nicholson doesn't really actor/play roles anymore. Dinero has fallen off since he's too old as has Morgan Freeman. Yes, Vin Diesel is still considered quite the sex symbol at 47. He is far more famous than early/mid 20s male "models" and pulls far higher level women. Why do VS models date men like Adam Levine (mid to late 30s) and Jason Statham (late 40s) over mid 20s "model" men?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 06:27 PM
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None of those guys got famous in their 20s outside of "marky mark", who PEAKED during his 30s/40s. Name any VS models that "peaked" in their mid 30s by comparison. That is the major difference between men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 06:25 PM
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Women don't work that way though. SMV for a male consists of status/height/income/physique. A male in his 30s/40s with a good physique plus status/height/income trumps an early 20s chad with a slightly better physique. This is shown by who women find the "sexist man alive" consistently.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 06:24 PM
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Yes but I am speaking about the men most attractive to women in their early 20s and up. I am not concerned with 13 year old teenie women.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 06:23 PM
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The Calvin Klein ad was way before he was an actor. His CONTACTS using Donny Wahlberg in NKOTB got him in the door. He was "Marky Mark" and the funky bunch as well, which went no where.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 06:22 PM
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Male models don't make shit compared to female models. The market shows female models make over 10 times the average of male models. The only comparable profession to VS model would be A list celebrity male actor, NOT male models.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 06:21 PM
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Cool story but many women in their early 20s still like those other guys. Channing Tatum clearly appeals to women in their early 20s.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 06:20 PM
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Why are Victoria Secret models who are "celebrities" that make millions and are being "invested" in dramatically by VS through marketing campaigns use mostly young early to mid 20s women? I mean why not go for more "experience" women in their 30s and 40s like they do for A list actor men? Also, "male models" are very lowly paid compared to female models. Its not a serious industry for the most part. Male A list celebrities are far more respected than "male models". The vast majority of women of …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 06:19 PM
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LOL so true. The feminists attempt to pretend things aren't the way they are. Its not that women find these men the most attractive, its all due to a "patriarchy". Its just like men don't like young and thin women! They would like "fat women" if they were told to!
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 06:17 PM
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Why would Hollywood not use men in their early to mid 20s exclusively then to attract women? Why was "Magic Mike" done with men in their mid 30s and up? Why no 22 year old men? That movie required zero acting talent and was just "eye candy"
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 06:10 PM
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Correct. The "sexiest man alive" is due solely to the SMV that women value the most. These are literally the men that women find the MOST attractive. It could be their status coupled with looking more "mature" but its the facts.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 06:09 PM
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Im not claiming to very attractive like yourself
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 05:22 PM
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I have already addressed this in another post about celebrities.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 05:22 PM
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Also, women are polled consistently for "sexiest man alive" not "gay" men
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 05:21 PM
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Considering these "A list" celebrities are considered the "sexiest man alive" by people magazine polls, it would be quite more accurate than some random internet posting. Adam Levine (mid to late 30s) was declared as the "sexiest man alive" about a year ago. He is dating a VS model in her 20s (tall, blond, thin, super hot)
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 05:21 PM
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But women should inherently find early to mid 20s men the MOST attractive, regardless of the female's age. Men of all ages prefer VS models in their 20s. Most retire by 28 with very few lasting to their 30s. Male A list celebrities don't even START as an A list actor until 30s.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 05:05 PM
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Then why aren't most of the A list actors in their early to mid 20s?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 05:04 PM
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Many churches are filled with "born again" virgins in their 30s looking for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 04:49 PM
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Post your pic then.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 04:44 PM
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Which circles are those?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 04:44 PM
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So then why are all these "older" celebrity males dating HOT supermodel women that are 10 plus years younger? Why did Donald Trump only date supermodels that are objectively HOTTER than any fat slob BP woman on this website? Nice rationalization though.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 04:43 PM
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Correct. Most of the "sex symbols" noted in the media are 30 plus year old men into their late 50s. I can't think of many guys under 30 that are A list celebrities. Compare that to women who are usually early 20s when starting. Victoria Secret models are already too old by the time A list celebrities are just getting started at the top.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 04:42 PM
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Im sure she's hotter than you and thinner.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 07:33 AM
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Im 36 y/o and dating a 25 y/o old. So yeah "sure"
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 07:18 AM
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The 30 y/o would win in most cases. He would win the women who graduated college (early 20s), women who didn't go to college, many types of college women, etc. The 20 y/o would possibly win with some types of sorority girls who will only "date" guys in some frat circle or something along those lines and would be "embarrassed" dating anyone outside of that frame of reference. Even those "sorority" women at 20 would change their opinion around 22 when they graduate for the 30 y/o.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 07:16 AM
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LOL good luck finding women that have all of those qualities.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 07:13 AM
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Random feminist women speaking about "men" out of anger doesn't really mean much. Look at the "sex symbols" in the media. Most of these are men in the 30 plus category. Is 35 y/o Channing Tatum considered "old"? lol
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 07:13 AM
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I specifically talked about a mid 30s male dating a mid 20s female. Successful men who are in decent shape shouldn't have much trouble achieving this.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 07:11 AM
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I don't have problems dating women in their 20s. Ergo, for myself, this method appears to be functioning fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 07:10 AM
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I don't get the analogy of this post. Its illogical.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 12:49 AM
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Yes but dating significantly younger women can provide that as well when you're in your 30s. Also, if you are on a long term graduate program, it might take a bit longer to get established before marriage. Its hard to find the "one" when running around establishing a career.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 12:48 AM
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Cool story brah Is there even going to be an ICMI 16?
/r/MensRights16/12/15 08:32 PM
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pretty accurate for usa
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/15 12:59 PM
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He just banged her on the side and has gotten rid of her. She confirms TRP
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/15 05:27 AM
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calm down brah, its not that serious lol
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/15 08:22 PM
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Another unattractive, over the hill woman, complaining about men. What is new?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/15 01:51 AM
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A "player" basically promises a woman something he won't deliver. I haven't heard him promising her a LTR or marriage. Ergo, its an unsubstantiated claim.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/15 01:49 AM
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Matt forney is a fat beta who pretends he can use pua to get women. Yet in all of his videos and pics, he at most is fish handing an average to below average female. He gets no pussy despite his pua nonsense
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/15 09:40 PM
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Matt forney is a pua. He is not red pill, MRA or mgtow.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/15 09:38 PM
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Matt forney is a pua not MRA or mgtow or even red pill
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/15 09:37 PM
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Women like to cry victim. It's a normal female article
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/15 09:36 PM
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Lol redundant but funny
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/15 09:35 PM
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Yet, this is a very common type of story in women magazines
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/15 09:33 PM
4

What's a reasonable period of time?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/15 09:33 PM
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No, he just doesn't need to commit to any one woman. Especially an older single mom Don't get how he played her either. Did he offer her marriage?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/15 09:32 PM
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Maybe he'll never settle down and just keep spinning plates
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/15 09:31 PM
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Or maybe they feel they can chunk up due to having the man already?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/15 09:26 PM
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Lol no one should marry!
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/15 09:25 PM
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Yet fat women appear to be angry about men leaving them for thin women, even when they are "nice" to fat women.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/15 08:18 PM
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I agree, women will be influenced by this for the rest of her life. Unlike men, women will apply the standards of "George Clooney" to future dates, leading to a sense of misery for both parties.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/15 08:09 PM
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Its not just about "being a dick", they are literally trying to shame men into finding them ATTRACTIVE for dating. They speak about men needing to "seek out a real woman" instead of "fake models". Also, why isn't this "newer, kinder world" having movements that "accept" short men, poor men, fat men, etc?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/15 08:01 PM
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For not reading TRP, this post was filled with TRP truth. So maybe you are figuring it out on your own slowly.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/15 07:58 PM
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If RP men were considering marriage and went to that subreddit, they would be more likely to avoid it. It is filled with mostly horror stories concerning married men
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/15 07:51 PM
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Yes but you gave that link as evidence for RP supporting marriage. Yet most of the men in that blog don't appear to support marriage but were likely married before turning RP.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/15 07:39 PM
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Half of the posts on that website are about "getting divorce", "Divorce and custody", etc. it doesn't appear advocating for marriage lol
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/15 07:26 PM
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This is a strawman. There is NO equivalent male movement to demand women to accept short men, fat men, poor men, etc. Yet women literally have "fat acceptance" movements or "slut shaming" movements to force men into accepting bad female behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/15 07:22 PM
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Incorrect, women are strongly pushing men to "accept" fat women and to "lower their standards" for "real women".
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/15 07:01 PM
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How come there are almost no RP posts being pro marriage?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/15 06:57 PM
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Cool, we should all avoid marriage!
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/15 06:48 PM
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First intelligent comment you had in PPD history. Bravo brah
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/15 06:45 PM
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Yet the only people who appear to support marriage anymore are BP.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/15 06:44 PM
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White men are mostly weak manginas these days. That is why the White world is on the way out. Buchanan seemed to get very little support, even among men.
/r/MensRights06/12/15 05:49 PM
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How are the registrations going?
/r/MensRights06/12/15 02:50 AM
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changed it
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/15 01:38 PM
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Also, if women are "equal" in mathematics for "many years", why has there only been ONE female winner of the FIELDS medal for mathematics? Name any female scientific minds that can compete with a Leibniz, Newton or Einstein. Even now, men DOMINATE tech companies. Note how all the most recent tech companies were invented by men including Google, Facebook, Apple, Microsoft, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/15 01:36 PM
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You are lying about the comments made in "fairtest". That is basically a liberal group that is trying to explain away the persistent math and even verbal advantage of men on standardized exams. The sports "question" nonsense is from a 1976 study by a feminist claiming that asking more "sports" VERBAL questions benefit the males. That has been CHANGED since that period of time, yet men still perform better. Furthermore, mathematics questions don't ask "sports" equations anyway, that only related …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/15 01:26 PM
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I agree on the evo psych argument, its a bogus science field. So far, women haven't been able to compete in mathematics or hard sciences without the help of Affirmative Action. Irregardless of nature vs nuture, women shouldn't require AA unless its genetic.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/15 01:09 PM
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Its a debate whether women divorce over financial issues/benefit This points to the affirmative according to lawyers Blue Pillers would likely disagree since women only care about "love"
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/15 01:07 PM
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I don't but I trust the stats on divorce rates. Ergo, its a logical assumption they are making.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/15 12:21 PM
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I have answered this further below. It limits terms of alimony as well, so it helps "middle class" men as well from being divorce raped.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/15 12:20 PM
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Also, its better than just the 170K issue. It limits alimony to 3 years, regardless of length of marriage. So it doesn't just affect the top income earners. Alimony used to be calculated as HALF the length of marriage. So if they were married for 20 years, she would get 10 years of alimony, that is now cut to 3 years. The lawyers have a vested interest but they are likely telling the truth about a huge bump in inquiries from women looking to divorce before this goes into effect.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/15 12:12 PM
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Yeah but its a good thing right wub? I mean why have such ridiculous alimony laws before that?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/15 11:58 AM
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Who "debunked" these studies? Show me where the verbal sections were changed to "more sports" on SAT scores. I have never seen that claim before. Post a link for these assertions.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/15 11:40 AM
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No, you just used the typical feminist trope that these aren't "real" feminists when being confronted with obviously hypocritical standards by feminists. Ergo, no matter how many columns I show of feminists proving my point, you will just use the strawman that they "aren't really feminists".
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/15 11:17 AM
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That is correct, its scientifically proven the IQ differences.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/15 11:15 AM
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Correction: Some TRP got butthurt. Other red pill dudes such as myself take that assertion as FACT based upon science.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/15 11:10 AM
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Feminism is sexist. Women are generally hypocritical sexists that make open generalizations about men. You just don't like it going the other way.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/15 11:07 AM
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Yeah kinda like feminism right?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/15 11:07 AM
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Liberal feminists like wub attempt to deny clear biological differences and imperatives between the sexes. The female sex drive is hypergamous. The male sex drive is less discriminating except for commitment. Ergo, men control commitment (especially successful, higher level men) and women control sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/15 11:06 AM
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I agree that evo psych is largely pseudo science. That doesn't make differences that are currently present between the sexes pretty obvious.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/15 11:03 AM
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AB is the ideal position rather than AF/BB. Lemmas was correct in that assessment.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/15 11:03 AM
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actually, women these days aren't smaller than men lol
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/15 11:01 AM
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Which studies are those? IQ studies show that the sexes have mean IQ scores approximately the same, wth females a few points below equivalent males. However, the distribution for men is largely bimodal. Ergo, men have far more brilliant guys and far more non intelligent men. Women will cry "sexism" when men out perform women at the top strata of society based upon empirical things such as IQ. They effectively implement AA policies to give them preference due to lack of competitiveness at those l…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/15 11:01 AM
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Feminism is based upon pseudo science. It denies fundamental differences between the sexes based on hormonal difference, brain structure, musculature, etc. Feminism ignores differences in aptitude in hard sciences, emotionality, etc between the sexes It ignores the significant differences between the sex drives and concerns of both sexes pretending that both "men and women are the same". Hell, feminism is biggest pseudo scientific movement of the 20th century
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/15 10:56 AM
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Yeah, no amount of evidence will convince you of something you don't want to admit due to personal benefit.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 11:32 PM
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Correct, but they are hypocritical in the sense of true "equality". Feminism is about female supremacy and not equality.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 11:11 PM
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No, she wants him to pay for dates, open doors, "protect" her, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 11:11 PM
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You should be, you lack logic.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 11:10 PM
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I can find many more. Just google it, its not that hard.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 11:10 PM
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Im sure those companies are mostly run by men as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 05:38 PM
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I agree. Get rid of Chivalry due to it being sexist!
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 05:37 PM
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Why would she need to be treated like a "special little snowflake" when she is a "strong independent woman" who wants "equality". The hypocrisy is very apparent in this contradictions.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 12:06 PM
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No thats just rationalization of feminist hypocrisy
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 12:05 PM
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From the TRP perspective, its not hypocritical because men and women are DIFFERENT. Ergo, different roles are expected for men and women. They consider men's roles to be "alpha" and dominant in the relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 12:05 PM
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Let me fix this for you then: Govt that is much smaller as per the Constitutional provisions without the welfare state.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 12:04 PM
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If being "nice" is what the "new chivalry" means, then just say that she wants a "nice guy" while she wants to be a "nice woman"
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 12:03 PM
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Question all you want, the stats support me
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 02:13 AM
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No it would be like me going to the store and DEMANDING free food/samples
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 02:12 AM
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so women are going to pay for dates and hold doors open now for men?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 02:10 AM
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She never said she was going to be "a lady" in the article. The only reference to "not sleeping around" was that she expects the man to be held to that standard if she doesn't sleep around, like "equals". Except she wants privilege/special status as well
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 02:10 AM
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Being treated SPECIAL is not equal but privilege
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 02:09 AM
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Then he's being consistent and NOT hypocritical
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 02:07 AM
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Here's another feminist demanding chivalry: http://elitedaily.com/dating/want-gentlemen-not-just-boy/922101/
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 02:06 AM
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Yes but feminists appear to be an especially aggressive form of hypocrite
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 02:05 AM
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Here's one of many feminist articles demanding a "gentleman who is chivalrous": http://elitedaily.com/dating/want-gentlemen-not-just-boy/922101/
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 11:43 PM
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Then why are they asking all men to be chivalrous and not just their boyfriends/sex partners?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 11:39 PM
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I agree. Lets get rid of chivalry entirely!
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 11:21 PM
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So feminists are good hypocrites because a bunch of other groups are hypocrites as well? Also, where is that Christian hypocrisy again? The examples you gave have nothing to do with hypocrisy.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 11:17 PM
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Never seen a dude do that but I'm happy to see it. Does that guy believe in "equality"? Or is he a trad con?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 11:15 PM
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Yet women are still "demanding" this all over facebook, IG, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 10:14 PM
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if "chivalry" means being "nice" and is gender neutral, that is fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 10:03 PM
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Except men aren't openly and hypocritical posting pictures all over their Facebook accounts talking about how "real women act" by listing cooking requirements, housekeeping, etc. You see plenty of women demanding this and attempting to shame men into these roles still despite their "equality" nonsense.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 10:02 PM
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well custody should be split 50/50 of the child with each parent sharing equal financial obligations as well under "equality" If this arrangement isn't good for either parent, then the one who gives up time with the child must give more support proportionate to the time given up.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 09:51 PM
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Really, all the peer reviewed studies show women are HEAVILY favored for promotion in STEM http://www.pnas.org/content/112/17/5360.abstract
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 09:36 PM
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who said I'm "absolving them". Men are still forced to pay for their kids under small govt systems
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 09:35 PM
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how many women are able to code? be honest and stop the bullshit. Online every woman can do high tech stuff but in real life its very rare compared to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 09:34 PM
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these aren't peer reviewed research topics bro
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 09:33 PM
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Oh really? http://www.buffalonews.com/columns/rod-watson/more-white-women-than-minorities-are-benefiting-from-affirmative-action-20150422
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 08:13 PM
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Its called Planet Earth, USA 2015
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 07:53 PM
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It said that women burned out when working with other women as well. You claimed it was due to "male workspaces" being "more hostile" to women. Contradictions here
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 07:52 PM
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Yes but someone has to do the basic science research. Considering no one wants to do that anymore, there is little real technical advances in anything besides silicon chips (which are slowing down in advancements as well since they are getting close to their smallest size possible)
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 07:52 PM
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True but at least STEM provides real production. An economy needs to be based upon production to survive long term.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 07:38 PM
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Cool story but women are "burning out" in female spaces as well according to that article.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 07:37 PM
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So why don't you do that instead of burning out? Sounds pretty stupid on women's parts if its something that simple.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 07:23 PM
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Most female "lawyers" are not corporate lawyers. They are mostly social work type lawyers or "family law". There are VERY FEW women in high finance at the higher levels. That is just false.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 07:23 PM
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There is plenty of reasons such as endurance, lack of physical strength, having children, less cognitively apt at science, etc. Hence, affirmative action.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 07:21 PM
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Cool story but why are White women the biggest beneficiaries of affirmative action?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 07:20 PM
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What "research"? I'd rather have a physician with good skills/knowledge than interpersonal skills. Furthermore, doctors can be taught interpersonal skills far easier than improving their MCAT score or having the intelligence/ endurance for the field.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 06:34 PM
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I am unsure if you're a dude. Seriously, you are definitely not a STEM major, too illogical. 1) Singe motherhood has consequences. Women should bear the brunt of them 2) Very few women would be able to make it in the private sector. Where is the backtracking?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 06:32 PM
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Thats their EXCUSE lol. They are running out of them. Regardless of their excuses, they are burning out.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 06:30 PM
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Who says that? Liberal govt people pushed by feminists actively changed the criteria for admission to FAVOR women since they can't compete on objective data. Without this change, women would be a small minority in med school.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 06:10 PM
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No they're not. They are receiving clear affirmative action. Furthermore, the "global" assessment was added due to poor showing from women/non asian minorities on objective standards. Ergo, they had to make it "global" to allow for women to get into the school
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 06:07 PM
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My point stands about big govt and female employment. Women's "rights" are inherently due to govt provision.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 06:04 PM
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You easily lost this argument. Its good you bowed out, you are looking foolish.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 05:59 PM
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Yeah but amazingly women are let in with significantly lower MCAT scores. Why are there affirmative action policies for women?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 05:59 PM
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The only thing govt should be setup for was defense and police. Govt has effectively extended out from its original role.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 05:58 PM
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Most women who have children in their 20s are NOT married
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 05:57 PM
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Yes, I have linked it to another poster here already
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 05:41 PM
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Most women want kids. Even ones who don't have kids are often burning out as well: http://www.forbes.com/sites/larissafaw/2011/11/11/why-millennial-women-are-burning-out-at-work-by-30/
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 05:40 PM
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Ok but that isn't a direct tech job like coding, software development, microchip production, etc. Notice you avoided my other citations lol
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 05:39 PM
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Im speaking about any form of feminism that has "equality" for women in politics, business, academia, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 05:38 PM
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1) No problem: http://www.slate.com/articles/business/moneybox/2014/06/for_millennials_out_of_wedlock_childbirth_is_the_norm_now_what.html 2) I never said any of that. Nice straw man mangina arguments though. 3) I never said "none", another straw man. I said VERY FEW actually work in direct tech jobs such as computer science and coding. 4) Yes but single moms would be discouraged without significant govt subsidies. Women would have to be more responsible or have a very tough life. Govt incentive…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 05:37 PM
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1) Most women can't do the tech jobs such as coding 2) Sure: http://ideas.time.com/2013/06/17/affirmative-action-has-helped-white-women-more-than-anyone/ http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Columns/2013/04/17/Why-Women-Are-Leaving-the-Workforce-in-Record-Numbers http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2338607/MELANIE-PHILLIPS-Part-time-women-doctors-ARE-real-problem-Why-sexist-say-so.html I can go on with that forever lol What is a tech "writer"? That is a rare job peripherally related to tech
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 05:21 PM
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Yes, keeping them at lower level office jobs fills quotas. Not sure how "durable" these companies in finance would be without govt assistance either. They are dependent on low interest rates (fed reserve), quant easing, etc. The society is living off big bubbles of debt and large govt that isn't sustainable coupled with demographic decline.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 05:18 PM
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1) Its very related. You claimed they can do "tech". This is patently false for the vast majority of women. 2) I said the vast majority. Sure a few women "made it" but without AA, their numbers would be a quite low percentage of the class. The only reason they have 50% is due to AA. Dunno what your job is so I can't speak about you "personally". I can speak about general reality of females.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 04:53 PM
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6) McKinsey has so few women they are NOW making Quotas to let women in WITHOUT business degrees. Very few women can make it in these fields due to long hours. 4) What is her "policy" role at IBM? Explain that further 3) Yes it is. There are countless articles on Forbes talking about female burnout and how they need more "lifestyle" friendly positions Very few women work at Google outside of HR. They have active Affirmative Action policies to increase female participation.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 04:51 PM
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I am speaking about the effective truth. Women haven't increased production, they have just taken extra money from working men due to govt redistribution. Ergo, men make less due to that
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 04:49 PM
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1) Most children in their 20s are born to single moms these days. Look it up. Most college women are sexually loose. 2) Feminists were integral in supporting alimony/child support/asset rape for males. Notice how they never attempt to change this stuff. 3) What is the exaggeration? Women mostly don't cut it in STEM. Very few would be in the private sector naturally without govt assistance. 4) My premise was even if women were ALLOWED to do those jobs, most couldn't cut it without govt assistance…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 04:38 PM
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1) Most women require AA to gain entry to medical school. By MCAT scores, the vast majority of the class would be Asian and White males 2) Very few high profile lawyers are female. Most work parasitic govt jobs. Or they work on "social justice" like Gloria Alred. 3) Very few women above the entry positions in finance. They can't handle the hours/stress 4) Policy= govt jobs 5) Research? In what? Definitely not hard sciences 6) Strategy Consulting for whom? Govt mostly Women don't "kick ass" mostl…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 04:35 PM
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Yes but women don't do jobs that actually increase wealth. They are largely paid off the production done by men at those companies.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 04:32 PM
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1) Very few women could make it in tech. That is why they are pushing affirmative action and "quotas" to increase females 2) Med School would be mostly Asian and White males based on merit. White women and minorities (non Asian) require AA to get into medical school based on MCAT scores I already said nursing or teaching would be the jobs women did outside of homemaker. Those were the jobs BEFORE feminism too. Most of the other jobs are allowed due to preference hiring for women coupled by AA in…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 04:30 PM
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Im speaking about why SA doesn't apply to Western world, keep up
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 04:28 PM
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Most women work for "HR", which is largely invented due to govt "quotas". Women are placed in HR as the best option for the business. How many women are working in finance directly? Or accounting at a higher level? Very few women would put in the hours for these jobs. MBA programs are still largely male with LARGE affirmative action pushes to increase female numbers.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 04:11 PM
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Name the jobs that women would do outside of government and HR.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 04:10 PM
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What jobs would women achieve outside of govt positions? Business may want to "hire" them but they could only do lower level secretarial work for the most part. They can't do engineering, mathematics, science, etc in general. Also, they wouldn't be able to handle the longer hours required in private competition. Women would largely go back into the "kitchen" given a harsh private working environment without any preference given
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 03:53 PM
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Women really don't produce any value in the workplace outside of nursing or a few health care related fields. They are mostly govt workers in "social fields" or some other HR type. Essentially, their jobs are parasitic off of the productive economy. If you removed most of them from the work force, overall production would be just as high with less "spreading of the wealth". Ergo, salaries would increase for men without this extra overhead.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 03:50 PM
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Yes but women don't vote in Saudi Arabia. How would you fix that here?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 03:48 PM
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How would you do that when women have the majority of votes?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 03:48 PM
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A lot of deadbeat fathers are "bad boys" who can't afford to pay for the kids. She would get minimal child support from that type of man. Furthermore, child custory/support would be monitored much more closely by a successful guy without govt intervention. Currently, women are allowed to spend inflated child support payments on anything they want without accountability
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 03:41 PM
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Correct, without govt jobs and parasitic tax structures, one productive male job would be sufficient.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 02:35 PM
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Incorrect. If women were loose with their sexuality and became single mothers without govt assistance, they would be in VERY BAD shape. They would be shamed by the family they would require charity from to avoid having further kids out of wedlock. Other women would see the single moms plight and be avoid it aggressively. If marriage contracts were done on an individual basis, women would avoid divorce rape/child support/alimony advantages they have currently. They would also be pressured to marr…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 02:24 PM
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Feminism requires laws to be enacted to push bad consequences off onto beta males. Ergo, feminism couldn't exist without govt. Libertarian principles would effectively end feminism among >90% of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 01:58 PM
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Yes the elite males (alpha) colluded with the vast majority of females to implement modern day feminism, which in turns leaves out the vast majority of beta males. Not that complicated. The only problem is when beta males stop producing/fighting/reproducing for society= society goes under to more patriarchal system.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 01:06 PM
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2308208/Is-28-average-age-retirement-Victorias-Secret-Angel-Miranda-Kerrs-30th-birthday-rumored-reason-contract-wont-renewed.html Like I said, most retire before 28. There are EXCEPTIONS that were VS models in their early 20s who lasted to early 30s.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 03:12 AM
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myself and tons of other dudes I know
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 03:07 AM
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MRI studies that test broad anatomical differences between brains doesn't really account for functionality differences. For instance, there are large differences in neuronal connections between hemispheres when comparing female vs male brains using functional MRI studies or PET scans.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/15 10:11 PM
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Yes if they started younger, a few can last until a little over 30. But its rare. I said START after 26, not that they couldn't be one if they had already done it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/15 08:15 PM
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I believe everything you said except your embellishment on the salary for being a writer. You clearly just made that up due to some type of embarrassment/insecurity that you had.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/15 08:15 PM
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Unless you're a big named writer (very rare), you can't make much. Your perspective is marred by your standing in life. This isn't to be "nasty", its just reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/15 07:34 PM
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I doubt it unless you are Stephen King or something, writers don't make much money. Ergo, being a low beta on the SMP, you would have the opinion that "women always have the advantage, just diminishing".
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/15 07:15 PM
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so you're largely a skinny dude who is in a humanities field, most likely "sensitive" and not particularly well off financially. That isn't really an ideal situation to attract a female. If you were more muscular or conventionally successful, your experience would be better in terms of determining how much power men have in their 30s on the commitment market.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/15 07:01 PM
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Be honest about your job position/height and musculature. I would really love to see some of these dudes in real life and their positions. It would really enlighten me in terms of their perspective. Never seen an alpha or high beta in his 30s think like you.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/15 05:36 PM
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It just is more evidence for the "wall"
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/15 04:27 PM
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The way you speak is that of a low beta. I would have to know more about your physical/financial descriptors to fully confirm this. I think your perspective comes from being a low beta. Its nothing bad, its just that you can't see it from another angle of a higher beta or alpha.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/15 04:26 PM
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There are tons of men who are considered "sex symbols at their peak" at their mid 30s and above. I can't think of many over 30 women who are considered "at their peak of attractiveness" There is a reason VS modeling won't accept a female over 26
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/15 04:04 PM
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UK doesn't exactly represent most of the world plus you're a low beta, so that can somewhat work on your perception of things. UK is more feminized than the US and becoming Islamic.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/15 03:59 PM
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That is very common for the higher SMV men in their 30s
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/15 03:58 PM
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What country do you live in? You said you're not from America. It shifts significantly for higher betas who are successful in their careers. They often date women 5 to 10 years younger on average. Every successful male I know who is single in his 30s is dating 5-10 years younger unless he is hideous. Who are these mid 30s women dating? Usually lower level beta dudes (far below the SMV previously obtained) or significantly older men in their 50s who are successful
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/15 03:24 PM
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The way is a very true with all the increased "where are all the good men articles" noted by women in their 30s over the last 5 years. Obtaining ONS is NOT equal to commitment. The wall applies to COMMITMENT and the level of male they can obtain as they get older compared to when they were younger. Successful men in their 30s will DATE women significantly younger than themselves on average. Women who could've snagged that type of "successful male" for commitment in their early to mid 20s are UNA…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/15 02:29 PM
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Im 36 and dating a 25 y/o right now. That isn't even that big of a difference in age. Know plenty of higher level men that are dating much younger women with significantly greater age differences.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/15 02:27 PM
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Its not "biological" considering that throughout almost all of written civilization, women didn't have all the "rights" they have these days. This is a very recent cultural development that will be overturned when the West is taken over demographically.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/15 08:36 PM
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Everyone always NEEDS MONEY! WTF, just put ads on his videos. He will make enough.
/r/MensRights28/11/15 03:43 PM
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Really watch this video. Its all fraud. They are basically giving sex for money. Lets go through the list: 1) Twitter "model" that does at a minimum topless pics (probably way more). Doesn't show any videos of guys giving her much money. 2) "Single Mom" who is a "dancer" AKA Stripper that had a kid at 18 with a "bad boy". She gets maybe 1000/month but breaks her ass doing it, getting dressed up, talking for hours, etc. She had a dinner with one of the "rinsers" where she got mere trinkets includ…
/r/MensRights27/11/15 05:19 PM
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How about disrespecting a male? Does the bitch get "sex of the best" at that rate?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/15 07:21 PM
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There are some women who can overpower women. WTF are you talking about mangina?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/15 10:06 PM
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There is no evidence for any of this stuff though, its just speculation.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/15 10:10 PM
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Ok where is the evidence before this period?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 10:55 PM
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No it just shows the lack of evidence for this supposed "male disposability" throughout history.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 10:47 PM
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LOL love all the rationalizations trying to explain a flawed idea that has no evidence throughout written history.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 10:45 PM
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Yes they did
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 10:45 PM
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Cool rationalization away of the obvious truth to these findings throughout history brah.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 09:22 PM
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Yes but they are pretending its a normal thing throughout history and is "biological". This contradicts all of written historical evidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 08:40 PM
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individually a female is entirely disposable as well. Also, the time frame is closer to under 50 years rather than 100-200 years.
/r/TheRedPill23/11/15 08:18 PM
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http://nypost.com/2015/11/15/two-syrian-refugees-among-seven-terrorists-in-paris-attacks/ Guess your previous statement about it "never happening before" was wrong brah
/r/TheRedPill23/11/15 08:13 PM
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Basically PUA nonsense. Status/money/looks/height are far more important than "dread game" That is all nonsense. Most of these PUA nerds couldn't pick up any women at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 08:12 PM
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lol a lot of these moron TRP dudes try to argue with me about clearly true history. They have distorted history for some weird reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 08:06 PM
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Low IQ beta cucks gonna low IQ
/r/TheRedPill23/11/15 08:05 PM
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Why would the male be more "valuable" for the family by the evo psych logic though? It appears that these moronic families disposed the wrong sex right brah?
/r/TheRedPill23/11/15 08:05 PM
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Cool story. Got any citations for this speculation from any of the Roman literature/sources?
/r/TheRedPill23/11/15 08:04 PM
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Thats incorrect. A few came as "refugees" that were "saved by the Greeks"
/r/TheRedPill23/11/15 08:04 PM
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I agree that rationing is intelligent and has been practiced in the past societies that were functional. The "new" concept of disposability is self destructive for any society that practices it.
/r/TheRedPill23/11/15 07:56 PM
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Yeah thats all true. Just don't think feminism has ever been this bad in the past but it could be a product of extreme excess wealth that the Western world developed only recently.
/r/TheRedPill23/11/15 07:55 PM
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Plenty of women died in childbirth as well during those days.
/r/TheRedPill23/11/15 07:32 PM
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It hasn't happened? It just happened in Paris lol
/r/TheRedPill23/11/15 07:10 PM
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Cucked Betas like you consider the mangina narrative to be cool to accept for your weak character/cucked status. Don't be mad at alpha dudes don't accept it brah.
/r/TheRedPill23/11/15 07:03 PM
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Where did it show that women had all this "influence"?
/r/TheRedPill23/11/15 07:02 PM
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Evo psych is mostly nonsense anyway. Most evo psych studies are done in Western college on undergraduates from that culture post 1960s. How that nonsense applies to all cultures from all times is insane.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 07:01 PM
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Good question but thats all speculation. It is clear that female infants were more disposable in significant segments of Roman society through the recorded history.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 07:01 PM
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Status/money can overcome looks issues for many women.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 07:00 PM
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Big refugee groups can give ISIS fertile breeding group coupled with areas to hide for an attack.
/r/TheRedPill23/11/15 07:00 PM
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Most societies didn't allow for excess harems for the leaders or a civil war would break out. There is a fine line between how many women the leadership can monopolize with wealth/power before they have a civil war break out. Examples include Israel breaking apart after Soloman, French Revolution, destruction of the monarchy system in all of Europe, etc.
/r/TheRedPill23/11/15 06:59 PM
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The previous method has a "symmetry" between the sexes while the feminist "male disposability" gives me no rights but all cost.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 06:58 PM
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Yet they have nothing to worry about considering they needed to drop in population. The West has much bigger problems due to social welfare coupled with feminism. Ergo, Islamic replacement of Europe.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 06:57 PM
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Yes but men are also valued more because of their dominance in society by families. Regardless, China has over 1.3 billion people and appear to be well served from an "evolutionary fitness" standpoint by this method. In fact, China has been doing TOO WELL demographically that they had to cut down population numbers due to overcrowding. Compare this to the Western matriarchy.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 06:23 PM
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What?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 06:18 PM
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If "protecting women" to essentially have them breed children while under the dominance of either a male family member/husband can be used to define "male disposability", then I am fine with that concept. That is how women were controlled throughout history and were not some queen shit that men deferred to because men considered themselves "disposable" The concept of "male disposability" among mangina Western men is that they must kiss women's asses, placate them and allow them the power to run …
/r/TheRedPill23/11/15 06:13 PM
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PUA tactics are mostly bullshit
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 06:11 PM
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Why do the Chinese have far higher female abortion rates than male abortion rates? Surely they should realize that men are disposable right? Stupid Chinese! That is why there are so few of them! Surely, the Western world with it female empowerment has much better demographics right?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 06:03 PM
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Yet societies can be argued to follow the biological imperative to remain strong. Societies that negate biology fall very rapidly. If advantaging the female is such a powerful biological strategy, why does the West have declining birth rates with immigration replacing the native population? Why do societies that practice female disposability often do better from a demographic standpoint? China, Islamic societies, etc
/r/TheRedPill23/11/15 06:01 PM
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Yet it wasn't just ancient Rome that had this practice. This was common in Greece, Islamic culture, etc. It was the NORM for most civilizations. China, which is the most populous nation on the planet, had aborted female babies far more commonly than male babies. Males did fight the wars, so they had dangerous occupations. However, the society itself LITERALLY disposed of female infants first. Clearly China is doing well from a "fitness" standpoint being the most POPULOUS nation on earth. Amazing…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 05:50 PM
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This is the main TRP forum, so I am arguing against this concept of "male disposability" being the cultural norm throughout recorded history. Actually, recorded history shows female infants are less regarded than male infants. Ergo, they are more "disposable" in most cultures. The rest doesn't negate anything I have written or even address anything I have written.
/r/TheRedPill23/11/15 05:45 PM
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Quoting page numbers with incomplete quotations of a book is not quoting primary sources. You should easily be able to quote the primary sources of these assertions. Yet here we are without you citing any evidence besides page numbers of incomplete quotes.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 05:38 PM
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I wouldn't prefer "exposing" any infants. However, this concept throughout the world and recorded history where female infants were far less valuable than male infants appears to negate the concept of "disposability" of the male. Or did all powerful civilizations magically get this wrong?
/r/TheRedPill23/11/15 05:36 PM
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Nice straw man brah. Now explain how these practices conform to male disposability? Surely the ancient Romans, Greeks, etc should have exposed male infants not female ones right? How come they didn't know about male disposability and the superior status of females in almost all cultures in history? What a bunch of morons! Or maybe the concept is bunk crap invented by feminists/manginas in recent history?
/r/TheRedPill23/11/15 05:30 PM
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So your argument is during the LATE republic, while Rome was declining, the women got more independence. This actually SUPPORTS my argument that throughout Roman history, women's role were very well controlled by either her husband and/or male family. Only when Rome was on a major decline before its fall did women get emancipated from their "role", which further confirms that any semblance of feminism is the death knell for a society.
/r/TheRedPill23/11/15 05:29 PM
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You are amusingly moronic in your presentation and lack of factual support for your arguments. You say that hundreds of sources are nonsense because they are "feminist" without any validity to this argument. Then you link Frier and McGinn, a full book on the subject, which mostly negates your argument from the parts that I have already quoted. You have not given any SPECIFIC citations, just a link to a book that doesn't confirm your argument besides your yapping. Please give some actually specif…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 05:26 PM
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You just linked the exact same thing that I linked, which clearly says women got very little ability to speak in the ancient Roman world! Also from Frier and McGinn's book: https://books.google.com/books?id=Jg8wp9crNhkC&pg=PA448&lpg=PA448&dq=Frier+and+McGinn+on+Roman+women&source=bl&ots=NXMtM1cTA6&sig=bkOexpWWIO6DyMPhvy0Rpy3jUqs&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjjm7SngqfJAhVLqB4KHfP0AG4Q6AEIKTAC#v=onepage&q=Frier%20and%20McGinn%20on%20Roman%20women&f=false Even if women were "emancipated" from their husban…
/r/TheRedPill23/11/15 05:02 PM
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What? This doesn't even counter any of my assertions. You are too stupid to debate. TRP is filled with morons with low IQs and poor knowledge of history who debate logical fallacies. Like some awkward frat boy who can't get laid and has a communications degree.
/r/TheRedPill23/11/15 04:48 PM
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http://www.moyak.com/papers/roman-women.html Read more about the female role in society and Rome.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 04:47 PM
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http://www.moyak.com/papers/roman-women.html This discusses the role of women in Roman society. This is very well sourced. It is far superior to you as a reference considering it is well researched and not some random internet dude yapping about his own knowledge with no citations.
/r/TheRedPill23/11/15 04:47 PM
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3) British Museum blog written by a professor from Cambridge University would disagree with you on female speech in public during Roman and Greek times: http://blog.britishmuseum.org/2014/03/24/did-women-in-greece-and-rome-speak/ I think I'll take a professor from Cambridge over you. 3) http://www.moyak.com/papers/roman-women.html Discussion with many added sources confirming that women were married at young ages and expected to have children. That was the primary goal EVEN among the aristocrati…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 04:46 PM
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Oh so the skeletal structures of beta males showed major malnutrition on average but women were better fed? Show me those links.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 04:33 PM
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I don't agree with this conclusion. The biggest problem is that 90% of the "immigrants" are single men of military age from Syria. Its basically an invasion force throughout the Western world. These guys have a big potential to become future ISIS devotees.
/r/TheRedPill23/11/15 04:05 PM
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This doesn't contradict anything I have written. You are going off on unhelpful tangents of illogical value.
/r/TheRedPill23/11/15 02:55 AM
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Men might have wanted to avoid marriage due to not wanting to provide for a female. Doesn't negate the fact that the marriage contract was firmly placed in control of the male in Roman society in terms of power. The male was still considered the "provider" who had to support the family.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 02:51 AM
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ok but there are some TRP dudes pretending that women have "always run things" and the current laws are normal for the Western world. Clearly, this is a historical aberration.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 02:49 AM
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Yeah show me this "firm" that has consistent funds that beat the SP 500 index with dividends reinvested over the last 20 years. Very simple comparison. You can brag about "beating the market" but until I see these actual funds, its all talk.
/r/TheRedPill23/11/15 02:47 AM
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1 and 2 is human history? Which societies throughout history did the vast majority of men not mate but just paid taxes to support women's children? Not Rome, Not Greece, Not ancient Israel, Not Islamic world, etc. Show me these civilizations
/r/TheRedPill23/11/15 02:44 AM
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It tells us some information but doesn't give much info on gender relations. Its mostly speculation.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 02:42 AM
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There are very few cross cultural studies in "evo psych". I have shown that the vast majority are done on Westerners who are college graduates.
/r/TheRedPill23/11/15 02:41 AM
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Men were the DEFAULT position for the children. They had the major advantage in divorce proceedings throughout Roman history. Are you honestly trying to pretend this is similar to American/Western law?
/r/TheRedPill23/11/15 02:40 AM
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Most of the stuff you have agreed with or said some nonsense about how it was shown to be the law of the land but not enforced. Regardless, it was on the books. 3) Orate in pubic concerning political discourse or policy. They could speak in court. 6) Most jobs were not applicable to most women in ancient Rome. That simple. 7) You have no evidence to assert the difference. Your argument is basically worthless since you just yap about how it was proven to be on the books but mythically wasn't enfo…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 02:39 AM
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Feminism is the emotions of the female imperative. Western males have failed the female collective shit test. Ergo, women are now more attracted to other cultures that haven't failed so badly.
/r/TheRedPill20/11/15 02:08 PM
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Even Russia is in very bad shape. http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2015/07/animosity-moscow-muslims-change-city-150720093306298.html Russia has horrible demographics which Putin is trying to combat by reestablishing Patriarchy.
/r/TheRedPill20/11/15 02:07 PM
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http://www.thecommentator.com/article/3770/the_islamic_future_of_britain Also, this is ACCELERATING due to immigration
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/15 02:06 PM
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LOL instead of arguing against the military commanders who have been quoted in this article, your whole defense is that it is a "right wing rag" Maybe if you were informed and learned something, you would realize US military hegemony is severely challenged/strained after the last 10 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/15 01:57 PM
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http://www.marketwatch.com/story/its-official-america-is-now-no-2-2014-12-04 China is the future, America is the past
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/15 01:56 PM
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Its crazy really. You would think feminists would be very nervous about the Islamic influx that will end feminism totally. Yet they appear to SUPPORT bringing more immigrants into the West. How can that be explained using their logic? It can't
/r/TheRedPill20/11/15 01:54 PM
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Islam could never have taken over the Western world of the 1950s. Islam will easily defeat/take over the Western world of the 2015s onward.
/r/TheRedPill20/11/15 01:53 PM
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Are you arguing TRP won't be able to show sluts are bad to marry? Funny, this was the normal thinking for all of recorded human history until the last few years. I don't think TRP will have a very high bar to achieve this thinning again over feminist attempts to negate N count issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/15 01:44 PM
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I don't get it either. The only explanation is that white men have become weak manginas and have let women collectively shit test them out of existence. Men lose full respect if they let women dominate them. Notice how feminists take the side of Islam agains the West, despite Islam being very patriarchal in outlook. Doesn't that appear to be a contradiction? Yet women are attracted to it because ISLAM doesn't fail collective shit tests from women and that actually turns them on towards that ideo…
/r/TheRedPill20/11/15 01:42 PM
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Christian law from the NT is very male dominated in terms of marriage laws, religious laws, etc. Men are firmly in control. Read Paul's writings on marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/15 01:36 PM
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You quoted my previous post with false assertions. The point of that post was to PROVE that societies were never built on matriarchal models such as modern feminism. My ideal society would be 1950s America. Basically a benevolent PATRIARCHAL model.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/15 01:35 PM
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Correct, the evidence is too sparse to make any valid conclusions.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/15 01:33 PM
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It is truly impossible to study considering we have no evidence from that time period. Everything is speculation during that period. I have shown this in my previous biological importance post.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/15 01:31 PM
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I agree with that
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/15 01:30 PM
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true but thats impossible for avg investors or ones even worth millions. That is called high frequency trading that essentially games the system by taking a small fraction of each stock traded.
/r/TheRedPill20/11/15 01:30 PM
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huh
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/15 01:29 PM
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No the post is giving justification for men to avoid sluts in LTRs. The sluts are angry about this attitude and demand high value men not be concerned with their N count
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/15 01:27 PM
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I can agree with the "instincts" idea that men don't want to share women but thats about it. Also, I see plenty of beta men who will marry a woman with children already from another man and then have another kid of their own with that woman.
/r/TheRedPill20/11/15 01:20 PM
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She can't "trade up" or she wouldn't have married him. They are FORCED to marry these guys because the higher SMV won't commit.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/15 01:15 PM
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Good points made here. Unfortunately, I'm not convinced the others concept of "disposability" match yours. Many of these weak manginas (strangely on TRP) think disposability consists of a society where: 1) Alphas fuck all the women 2) Betas pay all the bills willingly without resentment despite lack of mating opportunities because they are "disposable" 3) Women run shit. Dictate rules/laws to both alphas and betas.
/r/TheRedPill20/11/15 01:06 PM
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I am personally well above the median salary brah. But thanks for the concern that doesn't apply to me. Actually, the fact that women make slightly more than the median male BENEFITS me due to female hypergamy. They are going to negate the good majority of men, allowing me to form a defacto harem. You have yet to refute the Forbes article. Your "link" didn't prove your case either. Don't be mad bro.
/r/TheRedPill20/11/15 01:02 PM
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Its called DNA testing to determine who is the father. You claimed two men can't "share" a woman, which is biologically false. She can have the children of both men at different times.
/r/TheRedPill20/11/15 12:58 PM
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First off, when you use a "citation", don't just link some broad economics/labor market numbers without just linking to the specific group discussed. You didn't link women in their 20s/30s compared to men in 20s/30s salary figures. Here's another article from Forbes showing clearly women in their 20s who are childless earn MORE than men in their 20s who are CHILDLESS http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2014/02/24/childless-women-in-their-twenties-out-earn-men-so/
/r/TheRedPill20/11/15 12:51 PM
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Even if women are making the "same" as men, how are they in worse position by your logic? Also, there are plenty of cities in the USA where women are higher paid than men on average in their 20s. http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2015/04/gender_wage_gap_women_more_than_men_cities.html
/r/TheRedPill20/11/15 12:39 PM
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I don't think common law would apply in the USA in those states that lack common law. The US law wins out in the US
/r/MensRights20/11/15 12:37 PM
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1) The claim of chattel was the feminist definition. Sorry if you misunderstood the statement. 2) The time period where husbands could kill their wives at will was during the early Roman times. They modified it later to include only specific circumstances that I have listed before depending on the type of "marriage contract" they signed (female was either under the father or husband). Women could technically divorce men but it happened VERY INFREQUENTLY due to: 1) Loss of Child custody. Men kept…
/r/TheRedPill20/11/15 12:37 PM
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USA allows unmarried couples to be safe in many states. It is state dependent. Just look up states that have "common law marriage" in America. They are the minority.
/r/MensRights20/11/15 11:50 AM
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Two men can't share one woman? She can't have children for each male separately? Single moms do this all the time? WTF are you talking about?
/r/TheRedPill20/11/15 11:43 AM
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I have disproven this "biology" argument in another post. The concept of "disposability" where women essentially have preference in academia, business, politics, etc has NEVER been the norm throughout recorded history. Ergo, this phase is atypical and transitory. It is a phase that is due to a decadent, dying Western world run by weak men who are controlled by their women.
/r/TheRedPill20/11/15 11:42 AM
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The average woman is making more in her 20s and 30s than the average man these days. http://www.theguardian.com/money/2015/aug/29/women-in-20s-earn-more-men-same-age-study-finds Dunno where you are getting your false stats. Also, women are going to college more often due to affirmative action. Only a select, successful group of men are "winning" these days economically. Furthermore, govt jobs are paying far more than the trades, which will often have sporadic work that is non union/no benefits/p…
/r/TheRedPill20/11/15 11:39 AM
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Simple low cost index funds such as the SP500 or Vanguard Total Stock Market Index usually beat fancy "portfolios" of exotic stocks. Women who just buy an Index fund will beat the majority of men who attempt to "beat the market" with fancy schemes.
/r/TheRedPill20/11/15 11:35 AM
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Well she should teach her younger sisters to smarten up and not be so stupid in the future. The problem is that these type of women double down on their idiocy and then cry about "sexist men" as the cause of their problems.
/r/TheRedPill20/11/15 11:24 AM
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I don't see how women are more "second class citizens" when informed than infirmed men. Plenty of men who get CA without family are in this position or worse.
/r/TheRedPill20/11/15 11:23 AM
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Text from further laws and cultural norms in Rome: According to Roman law women were under the complete control of the pater familias, the male head of the extended family unit. This power extended to life and death. A death penalty could be imposed upon a woman for adultery or drinking alcohol.(63) The pater familias arranged marriages and appointed guardians for the women of his family. A woman could not legally transact business, make a contract or a will, or manumit a slave without the appro…
/r/TheRedPill20/11/15 11:17 AM
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The "chattel" comment was being facetious. Feminists always cry about how they were treated this way throughout history. http://www.roger-pearse.com/weblog/2012/08/02/some-roman-law-on-adultery/ Specific law under Augustus included: Lex Iulia de Adulteriis Coercendis (17 BC): This law punished adultery with banishment.[1] The two guilty parties were sent to different islands ("dummodo in diversas insulas relegentur"), and part of their property was confiscated.[1] Fathers were permitted to kill …
/r/TheRedPill20/11/15 09:49 AM
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You have yet to link the incidence low IQ brah. You clearly are too stupid to understand the concept of incidence or base rates. Please learn these basic concepts before you discuss any academic article in the future. Your intelligence is too low to interpret this stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/15 04:47 AM
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Read the New Testament on Jesus's opinions towards women and marriage. Or how women weren't allowed to hold position over men or teach men.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/15 04:46 AM
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LOL wow a lot of weak manginas on TRP these days
/r/TheRedPill20/11/15 04:45 AM
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huh, stick with the topic low IQ brah
/r/TheRedPill20/11/15 04:45 AM
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This isn't a popularity contest. Some of the most upvoted comments are mentally retarded frat boy nonsense.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/15 04:44 AM
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I have linked Augustus's laws on adultery in other posts. Also you have confused "agnatic guardianship" concerning male control of assets AFTER THE HUSBAND DIED. https://books.google.com/books?id=26ENAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA100&lpg=PA100&dq=Emperor+Claudius+on+agnatic+guardianship&source=bl&ots=DTr5iivVIC&sig=F-TCfVcAO5U0-O__BxRF1x4Xg7s&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjx5_GWl57JAhWGNogKHcn3C9YQ6AEIHTAA#v=onepage&q=Emperor%20Claudius%20on%20agnatic%20guardianship&f=false Women didn't independent rights to vote, orat…
/r/TheRedPill20/11/15 04:43 AM
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Yes but her tantrums are only significant because the laws allow it to be so.
/r/TheRedPill20/11/15 04:21 AM
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The Western world has the HIV virus which has proceeded to full AIDS (CD4 below 200). The HIV virus is feminism. Due to the death of the West's immune system, the Western world is totally susceptible to diseases it normally would've not had any issues with before. Islam is just the opportunistic fungi that is going to finish off the West.
/r/TheRedPill20/11/15 04:19 AM
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Who gives a shit about what "Western Culture" thinks is a high SMV woman. If Indian dudes marry hot Indian women at young ages/low N counts, why do they care? They can just laugh at the dumbass White dude that thinks his woman is "hot" despite having a high N count, while she divorce rapes him later on. Why do you worry about this? This is coming from a White dude dating a blond chick. However, I am very picky about the few decent women left these days in the West.
/r/TheRedPill19/11/15 09:59 PM
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Nice straw man brah Never said it was a "paradise". I wrote about gender relations throughout history and how this is unprecedented due to it being dysfunctional.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/15 09:53 PM
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LOL nice straw man brah.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/15 09:52 PM
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LOL cool story brah. Is that why our debt to GDP is at all time highs? http://www.economicshelp.org/blog/6775/debt/total-us-debt-public-private/
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/15 09:14 PM
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Dunno maybe articles such as this: http://freebeacon.com/national-security/u-s-military-no-longer-able-to-fight-two-wars-at-same-time/
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/15 09:12 PM
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Frame is often used for being a weak beta that doesn't like to confront the problems in the world. Holding "frame"= pussy mangina that pretends getting screwed is fine
/r/TheRedPill19/11/15 08:48 PM
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This is the result of a weakened gynocentric society that is being run by the "emotional whims" of women. No society in recorded history has been as stupid as the modern Western world. Ergo, the West will continue to decline till vanished by patriarchal societies. I don't think there is anything the average "aware" male can do to fix this at this time. Things have to get a lot worse.
/r/TheRedPill19/11/15 08:33 PM
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Marriage law during the time of Augustus: Lex Iulia de Adulteriis Coercendis (17 BC): This law punished adultery with banishment.[1] The two guilty parties were sent to different islands ("dummodo in diversas insulas relegentur"), and part of their property was confiscated.[1] Fathers were permitted to kill daughters and their partners in adultery. Husbands could kill the partners under certain circumstances and were required to divorce adulterous wives. Augustus himself was obliged to invoke th…
/r/TheRedPill19/11/15 08:30 PM
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Lex Iulia de Adulteriis Coercendis (17 BC): This law punished adultery with banishment.[1] The two guilty parties were sent to different islands ("dummodo in diversas insulas relegentur"), and part of their property was confiscated.[1] Fathers were permitted to kill daughters and their partners in adultery. Husbands could kill the partners under certain circumstances and were required to divorce adulterous wives. Augustus himself was obliged to invoke the law against his own daughter, Julia (rel…
/r/TheRedPill19/11/15 08:29 PM
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The article clearly shows the vast majority of "evolutionary psychology" studies are done on Western people with an undergraduate education. These "principles" are not able to be replicated in other cultures/educations/etc. Ergo, they are far from "universal" and not reproducible. This is a basic tenet of science that EP fails.
/r/TheRedPill19/11/15 08:16 PM
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Yes I agree. But men in those days were super patriarchal. Any minor change in marriage laws might have set them off. It never got to the point of marriage 2.0 due to lack of manginas in Ancient Rome
/r/TheRedPill19/11/15 08:15 PM
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Cool story brah. Go hold frame
/r/TheRedPill19/11/15 06:00 PM
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Women could divorce but never got the kids/assets. Women could only own property in the case of death of all immediate male family/husband. Women's rights were quite restricted in the way feminists would consider "chattel" by modern standards.
/r/TheRedPill19/11/15 05:59 PM
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Yeah but thats the norm for feminist societies. Decline is inevitable and rapid. Feminism is the death sentence of any society that attempts to remain functional, usually within 2 generations.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/15 05:55 PM
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Why are you bringing rational thought into a feminist debate? Thats ridiculous!
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/15 05:53 PM
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The earth is 5.99999 trillion years old brah! If you don't like it, I'll just hold frame and claim you don't know anything! Fuck evidence brah! Back to my communications degree and keg stands!
/r/TheRedPill19/11/15 05:51 PM
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It has been theorized that the later stages of Rome changed laws into a more female centric manner. But I have not seen any evidence the laws ever progressed to something as insane as marriage 2.0 in the Western world, even at the WORST of Roman history
/r/TheRedPill19/11/15 05:51 PM
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LOL cool rationalization brah. Still haven't posted the laws like I have with citations
/r/TheRedPill19/11/15 05:50 PM
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Further information why "evolutionary psychology" is basically pseudoscience in the manner it is practiced today. http://www.evoanth.net/2014/12/30/75-of-evolutionary-psychology-cant-be-trusted/
/r/TheRedPill19/11/15 05:47 PM
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We're arguing marriage laws/female laws lol Lets stay on topic people
/r/TheRedPill19/11/15 05:45 PM
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LOL do you even know what incidence is? You just gave me a total population. Go back to communications class, this stuff is too high level for you. Clearly you're not a STEM major.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/15 05:44 PM
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Correct assessment, very good link
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/15 05:43 PM
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LOL I'm happy you're confident in your unsubstantiated/undocumented assertions. Thats how alphas roll brah
/r/TheRedPill19/11/15 05:43 PM
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This is a logical conclusion. But even to the "importance" of protecting women from a biological standpoint, women 35 and up/infertile women wouldn't be protected. Why protect the vast majority of women who are infertile over men from a biological perspective?
/r/MGTOW19/11/15 05:22 PM
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Holding frame= making assertions with no evidence ?
/r/TheRedPill19/11/15 05:21 PM
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I have read those studies in the past. The incidence is remarkably low and remains remarkably low. Ergo, "6 times" of an extremely low incidence remains extremely low. So besides academic rhetoric, the effect is negligible in the real world. Understand?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/15 05:20 PM
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Yes but how can you enforce this when women have the vote? Do you honestly think women would vote in fair laws for men?
/r/MGTOW19/11/15 05:20 PM
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I know that Roman law changed later during its decline. I am skeptical it ever got as bad as marriage 2.0. The reason men avoided marriage during those days might have been due to laws that were still favorable towards men compared to these days.
/r/TheRedPill19/11/15 05:18 PM
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You made the assertion. The assertions I made have citations.
/r/TheRedPill19/11/15 05:18 PM
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LOL notice how you "linked" studies you don't even understand sufficiently. You can't even cite incidence numbers from those studies. Ergo, you are scientifically illiterate and attempting to use feminism doctrine to confuse the issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/15 04:53 PM
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China has overturned any chance of liberal marriage laws. Google the NYTImes article about marriage in China and how the feminists are crying its anti female.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/15 04:53 PM
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What were the marriage laws under Augustus? I highly doubt they were anything like current feminist laws. Please give citations for the laws of the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/15 04:51 PM
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A) The Red Queen: http://www.amazon.com/The-Red-Queen-Evolution-Nature/dp/0060556579 Review of book: "Matt Ridley explains in the epilogue of The Red Queen that half of his ideas are probably wrong, just like those of Freud, Jung, and many others. But this common-sense attitude, projected onto the evolution of reproduction, is EXACTLY what about this book makes it so incredible." When an author of a book says in the epilogue that "it is at least half wrong", the book makes for good fun but not r…
/r/TheRedPill19/11/15 04:49 PM
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I notice you haven't cited base rates in any of these studies. This is why you are so easily fooled due to your lack of statistical knowledge. A "6 fold increase" in autism means what incidence? How often do children of 40 plus year old fathers have autism? If a disease has a base rate of .00001% and goes to 0.0006%, it has increased 6 fold but is so rare it is meaningless in real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/15 03:52 PM
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Liberalism always wins? Please define liberalism? Surely feminism hasn't won in most of the world and only exists to this degree in the Western world. All countries that practice modern feminism are dying demographically and are being taken over by patriarchal societies. Saudi princes "snoking coke" doesn't negate this reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/15 03:50 PM
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Cool story bro. But I see no citations proving something equivalent to marriage 2.0 in Roman law at any point besides "taking a class in the 1980s". I don't see this as sufficient evidence for your assertions
/r/TheRedPill19/11/15 03:48 PM
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Middle Age sperm isn't "heavily associated" with autism. Give me the incidence of autism rates among middle aged men. The studies on this issue show a very minimal increase from a very low number to a very low number. Feminists have hyped up the autism link. The base rates remain extremely low. Please cite the INCIDENCE of autism among children of middle aged men to prove your assertion
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/15 03:33 PM
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Yes wealth can lead to feminism due to complacent men allowing women all these "rights". I agree with that. Without modern productive surplus, feminism couldn't exist at all. But feminism is always the death knell of a civilization. No civilization can survive long periods with feminism.
/r/TheRedPill19/11/15 03:32 PM
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The NAVY Seals are SJWs these days? LOL Islamic demographics tell the story of Europe. Very simple.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/15 03:31 PM
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Why do we view that hitting women as invalid? That is common in nature and many human cultures. That is just anglo Western thinking due to chivalry.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/15 03:30 PM
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Neo: Please give me citations where during the "Roman Empire" had marriage laws similar to 2.0 including: 1) No fault divorce 2) Child custody going to the female in most cases 3) Child support/Alimony/Assets go to the woman in inflated numbers. Men who don't pay go to jail 4) Women married at later ages after riding the CC Im anxiously awaiting those citations confirming this.
/r/TheRedPill19/11/15 03:29 PM
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I just read them again. You haven't addressed my citation that most psychology studies aren't reproducible.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/15 03:09 PM
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Yet, feminists/manginas use the "biology" argument to benefit women in modern Western society.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/15 03:08 PM
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Middle Aged men who were able to survive and THRIVE are the "weakest sperm"? Illogical
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/15 03:07 PM
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You can't even prove these "studies" are reproducible lol I have already shown through a citation that most of these studies have proven to NOT be reproducible. This is a basic tenet of science. Ergo, its not science. That simple.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/15 03:05 PM
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You aint shit but some random internet poster. I can claim a PHD in nuclear physics on here. You haven't disputed the laws I cited, yet you try to play games pretending they aren't saying exactly the things they say lol. Liberalism 101
/r/TheRedPill19/11/15 03:02 PM
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Yes very unlikely, especially without assistance. This doesn't negate my premise on the lack of value of women starting around 30s and up compared to men of equivalent ages from a biological perspective.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/15 02:46 PM
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I have added another post confirming the Roman laws. Read it, you might learn something. It has something called citations confirming my assertions. Amazing how that works right?
/r/TheRedPill19/11/15 02:44 PM
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Yeah, in ancient Rome women did some forms of labor as well. Does that mean they were feminists? That doesn't equate with modern day feminism. Furthermore, those women didn't divorce in mass, mostly worked at home, got married young as virgins, etc. The "modern" feminism started with the baby boomers in the 1960s and was implemented as policy in the 1990s when they took over. Feminism was never "law" until the change in leadership. Modern day feminism includes: 1) Wide scale divorce with alimony…
/r/TheRedPill19/11/15 02:40 PM
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What? America is losing its manufacturing base lol
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/15 02:39 PM
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Yes I agree with all of that. The baby boomers are the morons who brought in feminism though.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/15 02:39 PM
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I haven't said we "lost our status completely". We are on a DECLINE. If this continues, our status will be gone
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/15 02:32 PM
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Yeah the greedy leadership sold out the country by outsourcing the real manufacturing jobs, etc. However, this doesn't negate the very negative influences of feminism on the economy/demographics.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/15 02:31 PM
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Thanks fixed it. Auto correct keeps changing my words. You have yet to cite any references confirming your speculation. I am waiting still. So far, all you have done is speculate saying some vague nonsense about "art and tools". Show me the evidence for the matriarchal society that you described in your above posts concerning pre-modern societies. I see no evidence for any of the assertions presented. The onus is on you to present evidence. All of documented history has shown societies that are …
/r/TheRedPill19/11/15 02:27 PM
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Please give me the metrics of the West that show steady state or growth? I can cite many stats showing the major decline of the West: 1) Debt to GDP ratios are increasing rapidly 2) Older population that can't be supported through current finance levels 3) Horrible demographics in all Western societies 4) Huge influx of immigrants replacing native populations that aren't reproducing Wow, sounds really good!
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/15 02:24 PM
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Greece is a basket case. America is clearly moving towards a Greece type economy. We were the biggest creditor nation in HISTORY approximately 30 years ago to the biggest debtor nation in history!
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/15 02:14 PM
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Yes USA is at 19 trillion debt, reserve currency status is majorly threatened, American military is collapsing, etc. We are in a very clear decline over the last 15 years from any objective measure.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/15 02:12 PM
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Feminism won two world wars? LOL 1940s America wasn't feminist and neither was 1930s to 40s Russia. Russia won the war mostly against Germany. Over 90% of the casualties on Germany were inflicted by Russia. Where was the "feminism" there? I don't remember no fault divorce rape in those days, rampant adultery, single moms, etc. Women in 1940s America mostly got married in their early 20s, didn't go to college, didn't work out of the home outside of nursing/teaching, etc. Those were very "patriarc…
/r/TheRedPill19/11/15 02:11 PM
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Yes when Rome was declining, it became far more feminized.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/15 01:59 PM
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That video gives a few examples that are far from the norm. I have included a new post showing laws towards women in ancient Rome (strongest empire in the history of the Western world). That is the reality of how those societies were run. I will have to continue educated the you people since it appears your gynocentric school teachers have bullshitted you about "female power" in the ancient world.
/r/TheRedPill19/11/15 01:59 PM
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You had no argument besides speculation with no citations or evidence for your assertions. Just because a few low intelligence frat boys that are taking communications as a major liked your arguments, doesn't negate the fact there was nothing but speculation there.
/r/TheRedPill19/11/15 01:58 PM
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What information? There wasn't one citation of any validity showing pre modern societies structure. It was literally all speculation.
/r/TheRedPill19/11/15 01:57 PM
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David Futrelle is a morbidly obese weak mangina. He is weak physically and mentally. He has no SMV value so he attempts to be feminist towards women. Basically, Dave Futrelle is just your average male feminist.
/r/TheRedPill19/11/15 01:02 PM
1

I understand the first concept. The second concept is illogical because middled aged men should have resources allocated and higher status. The more successful middle aged men should be plenty successful with younger women.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/15 12:41 PM
0

Yes that is a cuck perspective.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/15 12:39 PM
1

http://travelswithnancy.com/women-ancient-rome/law-&-identity.htm These were the later laws where women got more "rights" in Rome Interesting concepts include: 1) Divorce had the HUSBAND keep the children 2) Women was with her Father until married 3) She had no right to vote or hold public office
/r/TheRedPill19/11/15 12:39 PM
1

Well those sound like smart women who had more intelligence in their mating patterns. I assure you, these women are less than 20% of Western women.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/15 12:36 PM
1

Regardless of being "disposable", men were the boss of their marriages/relationships/society. Marriage contracts were enforced with fault divorce and the man was the HEAD OF THE HOUSEHOLD. Ergo, men had REAL BENEFITS with symmetry noted in the system. The feminist system has no symmetry with total female benefit and male destruction.
/r/TheRedPill19/11/15 12:34 PM
1

Actually, there was a good amount of support for this position. It has a decent amount of upvotes
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/15 12:27 PM
1

what?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/15 09:59 PM
3

Yes they do lol
/r/MensRights18/11/15 09:37 PM
0

Thats because you haven't hung out with me in real life.
/r/TheRedPill18/11/15 08:50 PM
1

Very true but I'm not sure about the veracity of this claim. The ISIS members appear to breed very significantly. So I don't think its the top IMAM is taking all the women. Also, the "top" members have constant turnover due to attrition.
/r/MensRights18/11/15 07:55 PM
1

So the other ISIS fighters don't get wives/women? Some reason this strains credulity.
/r/MensRights18/11/15 07:02 PM
1

Oh so women don't get a vote but just go along with whatever the "Jews" tell them? Cool story bro
/r/TheRedPill18/11/15 06:50 PM
3

LOL cool story bro. I know stormfront taught you that but then why are all the women on stormfront attempting to remain feminists? Did the "Jews" put a gun to women's heads to divorce men in mass numbers and steal their assets?
/r/TheRedPill18/11/15 06:32 PM
0

Or maybe because men are manginas in the Western world and don't have the balls to challenge feminism?
/r/MensRights18/11/15 06:19 PM
0

Oh please. Most women in their 20s are chasing the top 20%. This is obvious when you go to any college in the Western world.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/15 06:15 PM
1

what
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/15 06:14 PM
0

Paul Elam, maybe that is why Roosh is killing in Alexa numbers brah. Also, there are cognitive differences that are noted on IQ tests that are genetically based. Deal with it Pauly
/r/MensRights18/11/15 06:14 PM
0

I agree with this. The problem is that Western men have taken this to a pathological extreme while women have fully taken advantage of it
/r/TheRedPill18/11/15 06:12 PM
-4

ok if we aren't going by "nature", then I don't want to hear the bullshit arguments that men need to "protect women" and basically serve them because they are the more "valuable" gender
/r/TheRedPill18/11/15 06:11 PM
2

I wouldn't want a LTR with some slut that does FWB regardless. If she is that low value that she is having sex with guys that offer no commitment, then she is only worth a pump and dump. She set that price.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/15 06:03 PM
6

Women, such as "Miss Maude", are not going to admit this reality of AF/BB. The real reason is twofold: 1) Egotistical reasons. Women who get pumped and dumped by Chad want to pretend they really just "wanted to hook up" anyway due to being drunk. This is nonsense. They wanted a relationship but couldn't achieve it shooting out of their league 2) Beta Bucks wouldn't marry them if they realized these women were having sex with guys with much higher SMP. It would destroy BB's ego, so they lie and s…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/15 05:59 PM
0

LOL he isn't a nazi though. He is pretty pro Jewish. You're starting to sound like a feminist Paul
/r/MensRights18/11/15 05:31 PM
1

So are you claiming women aren't acting hypergamous these days? How do you explain romance novels, celebrity culture worship by women, etc?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/15 05:31 PM
0

They are the dominant DEMOGRAPHIC groups as well. Maybe you should read more books coming out of Germany: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fA4tWheo5Y
/r/MensRights18/11/15 05:21 PM
0

Ok then why are the demographers claiming that Islam will be the predominant religion in most European countries by 2040 at current rates? Who says this is "temporary"? So far, the rates of immigration are INCREASING rather than decreasing.
/r/MensRights18/11/15 05:16 PM
-1

Yes but it uses female narcissism and men's weakness to do this. Feminism couldn't have gotten anywhere if most men weren't weak manginas in the West
/r/TheRedPill18/11/15 05:15 PM
0

Then why is the Western world bringing in so many "immigrants" if it doesn't need the population? Why do most Western politicians think they need "immigrants" due to the welfare model that has become unsustainable with an older European population?
/r/MensRights18/11/15 05:08 PM
-1

Yeah thought so champ. You have no citations of shit. Just some mythical mangina model that weak betas such as yourself invented to justify being a weak bitch. Best of luck to you.
/r/TheRedPill18/11/15 05:07 PM
-3

1) Correct, I agree 2) Correct, I agree 3) Animal Kingdom studies have different models for many different types of animals. Furthermore, primate apes often RAPE women and keep harems. Women who are unsatisfactory are kicked out. "Biology" is only cited when it appears to benefit women but never when things like "rape" occur in nature. 4) Women often died in childbirth "sacrificing" for the family. These days, men in the Western world sacrifice for their women far more than vice versa. The study…
/r/TheRedPill18/11/15 05:07 PM
-1

There are no "libraries" of information confirming this nonsense. You can't even cite one book that confirms this matriarchal utopia you speak of. Clearly, patriarchal civilization won the day and has been the order for all of RECORDED history. You haven't "theorized" anything just some yapping about "art" and "tools" Cite me examples of civilizations that have the feminist model where: 1) Alphas impregnate all of the women 2) Betas serve the women by doing all the work for them but don't get to…
/r/TheRedPill18/11/15 04:53 PM
0

How can you determine "bias"?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/15 04:51 PM
1

Its "biased" because it doesn't appear to serve the feminist imperative. These claims of "bias" are never cited by BP/feminists when some feminist "scholar" claims some pseudo scientific nonsense.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/15 04:51 PM
1

Then why do so many women in their 20s chase a small subset of men? Why are "romantic novels" so popular? Alpha men basically chase women in these "novels".
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/15 04:49 PM
-2

"You can only think of these prehistorical societies in terms of overt competition between men and women. Those simply weren't issues. It was a common endeavor to survive. Issues such as consent had yet to be conceived. Individualism as we understand it today was simply not possible. Survival was too tenuous. Everyone's drives were sublimated to group cohesion and prosperity. This is what allowed those groups who innately favored eggs to out compete those who didn't and also what kept that innat…
/r/TheRedPill18/11/15 04:36 PM
0

This is a peripheral discussion though. Cougars provide no benefit to a society and are a biological deadend. Any society that is stupid enough to worship cougars will go extinct.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/15 04:18 PM
0

Due to women being unable to provide themselves provision during pregnancy, they clearly need a provider/alpha male to take care of them. That is "why" This reasoning doesn't extend to forming a feminist matriarchy as some biological imperative. Too many leaps and assertions without evidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/15 04:18 PM
0

Then all you can do is speculate about some future that never existed in the past. The problem with this thought process is that clearly any society practicing modern feminism is literally dying off and being replaced rapidly.
/r/MensRights18/11/15 04:16 PM
-2

1) We have some genetic testing studies that show a smaller group of men mated with a larger group of women. The rest of your argument is speculation. It is very possible that the alpha males just formed harems of women like in many primate cultures. Under these conditions, women would have zero rights and were passed from "alpha" to "alpha" depending on who won the wars and secured the booty. Women would essentially be war booty/chattel under this system that men fought over. Under such brutal …
/r/TheRedPill18/11/15 04:14 PM
1

Correction: Western societies DON'T give a shit about most of its men.
/r/TheRedPill18/11/15 04:03 PM
1

If these are real "studies", why are most of them not reproducible? I just linked the article proving most psychology articles are not reproducible. You have yet to refute it. One ESSENTIAL metric of science is REPRODUCTION of the studies. Ergo, it fails this litmus test and can't be really looked upon as "science"
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/15 04:00 PM
1

My argument that modern evo psych is mostly pseudo scientific bullshit. Hypergamy was well known before there was any field called "evo psych". This is an ancient concept known since the beginning of civilization.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/15 03:59 PM
1

True, it can be argued feminism occurs when a society has grown too weak/narcissistic. Feminism is basically a parasite that gets onto the back of a weakening society where the males have already weakened dramatically.
/r/MensRights18/11/15 03:58 PM
0

It serves the feminist narrative though, very effective propaganda.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/15 03:57 PM
1

Yes but how do we interpret/arrive at this evidence? That is the difficult part objectively. We can only see how women mate/behave during their fertile years at this time in history.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/15 03:56 PM
-3

1) Do these tools and "art" show how men treated women in those days? Men allowed themselves to be routinely cucked and divorced by women? The little information we have gives MAJOR gaps in terms of knowledge of how male/females interacted during those times. Its all speculation. 2) No civilization has ever "stood the test of time" since power continues to shift. No matriarchal civilization has lasted more than one or two generations without being conquered while patriarchal ones such as the Rom…
/r/TheRedPill18/11/15 03:55 PM
0

I reject many of the premises of evo psych as unproven/unprovable. Hypergamy is one of the few assertions that can be proven throughout all cultures/times in recorded history.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/15 03:41 PM
1

No one is "impartial" by your logic then. We can only go by the best evidence we can ascertain.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/15 03:40 PM
-5

Fallacies of this argument include: 1) You have NO IDEA of how societies worked before modern civilization. Some pseudoscientific models of societies "millions of years ago" can't be proven at all. We have absolutely no records from those times. 2) Modern civilization under a patriarchal model OUTCOMPETED every other "model" and has stood the test of time. Ergo, it was "evolutionarily" favored. 3) Spartan women did NOT have feminist rights as is common in the modern Western world. They still wer…
/r/TheRedPill18/11/15 03:35 PM
0

I already have proven it. If you think a study consists of "showing pictures to undergraduates" in the Western world to determine their sexual response as some kind of grand scheme to objective prove sexuality across all times/cultures, you aren't that brightest tool in the shed. I have also linked the article showing most of these "psychology" papers aren't reproducible. Psychology is a very weak "science" at best.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/15 03:32 PM
-4

You just basically said nothing besides "human can do whatever they want".
/r/TheRedPill18/11/15 03:30 PM
0

How about sex and the city? Was that pushed by men as well?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/15 03:30 PM
3

Feminists use proxy violence. Stop being a moron. Feminists would execute anyone who opposed them without a second thought if possible. Ever notice how little sympathy they have for false rape accused males?
/r/MensRights18/11/15 03:19 PM
2

Welcome to ANGLO feminism. Men get all the obligations and women get all the benefits. Men are literally slaves to the female imperative in the West. Wonder why Islam is taking over so quickly?
/r/MensRights18/11/15 03:17 PM
4

He is an impartial observer considering he is older and married for many years. He has no "dog in the fight". Asking a female about her own imperative isn't going to give an honest answer. Women will lie about how they want a "nice, kind hearted" man who "treats her well". Yet AMAZINGLY she doesn't go for those types during her peak fertility years. Ergo, giving a "survey" to women about their likes/dislikes is essentially useless. You have to go with RESULTS not words.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/15 03:16 PM
1

There are people with PHDs in women's studies as well. They have women studies "journals" that are "peer reviewed" by feminist scholars. Does that make it a real science? Most psychology articles can't even be reproduced. http://www.iflscience.com/brain/most-psychology-papers-cant-be-reproduced The "study" you linked is another example of pseudoscience. Showing "undergraduates" that live in the Western world in modern times under a gynocentric value system has so many cofounding variables includ…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/15 03:00 PM
1

Well the entertainment industry pushed this narrative to serve the feminist agenda. Eva was all photoshopped to look "hot", removing all the imperfections that develop with age. Smoke and mirrors.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/15 02:58 PM
0

You haven't discussed anything I have stated in my post. The femcentric narrative have been that "biology" is dictating the reasons for the gynocentric laws in the Western world. I have given a refutation of this idea coming from examples through history, religion, disasters or from a biological perspective.
/r/MensRights18/11/15 02:57 PM
0

It "should" be but isn't Also, wasn't the argument that women used to justify their privilege being its "biology"? Surely, if we cared about "biology" dictating laws, then women in their 30s and older should be given laws that disadvantage them the most due to their lack of biological utility from a childbirth standpoint.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/15 02:49 PM
-1

It appears evo psych has been used by feminists to go against their own interests. Weak mangina men have just went along with it without actually understanding the illogical positions that have been taken.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/15 02:49 PM
1

I get that older women liked the "cougar" thing. But from a biological standpoint, these women should be held in very low regard, far lower than equivalent age males. Ergo, none of the current paradigm of gender relations has anything to do with biology.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/15 02:48 PM
5

She is bitching to you constantly about another man. You are her emotional tampon.
/r/TheRedPill18/11/15 02:46 PM
-4

If this is a "preexisting" tendency, then why have no major civilizations ever practiced feminism before? The only possible parallels through history was when Rome was falling apart. Even chivalry has been falsified by modern feminists and "traditional" men these days. Women were given very specific lady like roles of chastity, taking care of the home, children, etc. This was NOT extended to women that act the way that modern women behave. This only occurred under feminism.
/r/TheRedPill18/11/15 02:46 PM
0

That explains nothing Elam
/r/MensRights18/11/15 02:09 PM
3

Yet we have the "cougar" push as well. Also, why aren't men in their 30s and older given preference in laws over their equivalent females? Those women have no/little fertility by that point from a "biological" standpoint.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/15 02:08 PM
-6

This is TRP not xojane or jezebel. You might have more "fun" there where you can live in the land of fantasy and women are perfect rhetoric
/r/TheRedPill18/11/15 02:07 PM
-6

All of the "Egg" importance issues don't make much sense for postmenopausal/infertile women. Why does society put these women on a pedestal? With the huge increase in STDs that are causing an increase in infertility with White Women, shouldn't their value DECREASE from a biological standpoint? Clearly, "biology" isn't driving feminism. Its just female narcissism unleashed with weak White males allowing it. The "biological" justification is another excuse that weak men have rationalized for thems…
/r/TheRedPill18/11/15 02:07 PM
1

LOL no they're not
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/15 12:38 PM
6

Sounds you are a beta mangina that offers her a shoulder to cry on. Unless being a weak mangina is "alpha" these days
/r/TheRedPill18/11/15 12:37 PM
1

That's the gynocentric thinkimg that women dictate shit. Women don't dictate shit in most patriarchial socities. Do you honestly think they dictate stuff in Muslim culture?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/15 12:36 AM
1

most people are obese due to lack of exercise and overeating
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/15 06:10 PM
5

Hand her over to ISIS, let it sort itself out
/r/MensRights17/11/15 06:09 PM
1

Thats true. AVFM fits this mold
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/15 05:51 PM
1

The "world" didn't rally anything. Its just some weak Western countries that are dying demographically that "rallied"
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/15 05:51 PM
1

Yes but they are much better controlled in the Islamic world and other parts of the world. Therefore, it isn't true that men can't organize to control their women. It is just that Western men have become too beta to do so.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/15 05:50 PM
1

I haven't implied anything about myself
/r/TheRedPill17/11/15 05:13 PM
1

same thing could be said about feminists but their bullshit victim stuff paid off
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/15 05:12 PM
1

Then why do other cultures or even Western culture less than 50 years ago had much better symmetry in dealings between men/women? I agree it is probably too far gone though.
/r/TheRedPill17/11/15 05:05 PM
2

No, the feminists know they can't have ugly/fat women are their front people despite the fact that the vast majority are ugly/fat/losers
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/15 04:34 PM
4

Good point! But the most "powerful" feminists these days are people like Naomi Wolf, who aren't morbidly obese. Most of the leadership feminists have pushed for more attractive women out in the front while the fatties stay as the mainstream support system. Notice how they have female celebrities that are attractive pushing feminism too!
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/15 04:18 PM
1

Very true stuff indeed! Doesn't appear Elam wanted to hear it though. Very disappointing.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/15 04:11 PM
0

Yeah but Putin looks fine during interview. Pretty alpha acting actually. Also, Russians don't watch American tabloids either
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/15 04:09 PM
0

So true, very big issue with MRM as well
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/15 04:09 PM
1

Yeah she was probably cheating on you already. But you did just leave on her and probably let her know a few weeks before leaving as well.
/r/TheRedPill17/11/15 01:50 PM
20

There was nothing I could over 10 years ago during the medical school process when women were let in with significantly lower MCAT scores than myself (who got waitlisted). Fortunately, one school let me in with a partial scholarship just due to dumb luck. The "diversity dean" did away with the academic scholarship the next year and made it "need based" for minorities. Until enough men AS A GROUP get together, nothing will be accomplished. If I complained about it too much, I would've been failed…
/r/TheRedPill17/11/15 12:37 PM
1

The dude was a leader of the MRA under Paul Elam lol
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/15 12:33 PM
1

Often people just eat too much because they are LAZY SLOBS! I know it sounds better to make it sound more complicated than it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/15 12:30 PM
1

I linked some videos on there too brah
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/15 12:29 PM
1

Yes thats a big part of it. Not just sexually "appealing" but also status
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/15 08:17 AM
-1

then all the other stuff doesn't really matter because you can't be taken advantage of but have ladies interested. The other TRP stuff are just the early "angry" phase before men get more advanced into it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/15 08:15 AM
0

You are using a peripheral issue for the TRP. Basic tenets include: 1) Improve SMP to as best as possible: Lifting, status, etc. 2) Don't put yourself in a bad position where a woman can take advantage/be independent Really about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/15 08:11 AM
46

I agree with this and notice "little shit" like this very quickly. However, your "relationship" was over once you moved, especially since it only lasted 4-5 months before you left.
/r/TheRedPill17/11/15 08:09 AM
1

Yes but the mainstream principles of TRP are basically self improvement plus be independent from the woman
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/15 08:01 AM
2

I can google feminism and see women calling men "dogs" or they should be "put in concentration camps". Very simple solution. Do what the feminists do! Claim that these aren't feminist beliefs!
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/15 07:53 AM
1

TRP doesn't say that men should openly say such things to women. Just like most feminists don't openly attack men for being "dogs" or other things, although this is more common due to the high number of betas in the Western world.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/15 07:46 AM
3

TRP works very well with the majority of Western women. Don't see how its "alienating"
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/15 07:39 AM
1

Yeah but plenty of well built/successful men are getting crushed in divorce settlements/child support, etc. They would be attracted to the movement.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/15 07:33 AM
-2

Good points. Do you think if higher status males led the MRM, it would get more respect in general? Having dudes like Dean Esmay and Paul Elam as leaders kinda hurts the message.
/r/TheRedPill17/11/15 07:32 AM
1

There are three types of MGTOWS: 1) Alpha MGTOWs: more like TRP types that won't marry. They basically obtain women through a strength position and don't allow them to play them. 2) TFL type MGTOWS: dudes who really are very low status and use "MGTOW" to pretend they "going their own way". These types of dudes would give up their MGTOW status in a heartbeat if an AVERAGE female came along and was interested sexually. 3) MGTOW who doesn't give a shit and wouldn't date/marry a female due to just n…
/r/TheRedPill17/11/15 07:20 AM
3

Yes Karen, but look at why they stuck with these men. These men were extreme examples of hypergamy for these women. They could've easily found a man at a lower station in life and had children with him when it became apparent that these HIGH STATUS men weren't willing to have children with them. Why didn't they just break up with the high status male after a few years of not having children? That is where hypergamy got them screwed.
/r/MensRights17/11/15 06:13 AM
-11

beta cuckholded married dudes gonna beta and cuckhold brah
/r/TheRedPill16/11/15 11:52 PM
0

Cool story. If only academia, business, etc worked like this.
/r/TheRedPill16/11/15 10:40 PM
1

Fortunately, I'm in the top 20%, so the wall benefits me as I get older.
/r/TheRedPill16/11/15 10:38 PM
1

Is the conference confirmed or not?
/r/MensRights16/11/15 09:15 PM
2

That 60% figure adds in old people from a different generation. Take those out and its much lower
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 09:05 PM
-13

Beta married due is upset that I have shown married men are automatically beta can't fix beta brah
/r/TheRedPill16/11/15 08:54 PM
2

where's the safe spaces for men from feminist nagging/bitching/false rape accusations?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 08:21 PM
3

Its the internet not english lit class.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 08:15 PM
2

lol "safe space" HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA I haven't down voted anyone but if I'm going to be blamed, I might as well down vote you in the future.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 08:15 PM
2

Just showing the reality of the female imperative in action
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 08:14 PM
2

Because they don't provide evidence for how women think! Only the feelz of a reddit poster defines feminism at that moment!!!!!
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 08:02 PM
4

cool, maybe I should've gone in 200K debt for an english degree like yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 07:58 PM
6

Guess feminist websites are crap then lol
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 07:58 PM
3

stop the femsplaining, I need logic
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 07:57 PM
-16

Yeah isn't it amazing all the White Knights coming out in favor of marriage on a RED PILL forum. Crazy shit
/r/TheRedPill16/11/15 07:53 PM
5

I just confirm it from the feminists own websites I consider that pretty powerful evidence woman
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 07:31 PM
-20

I enjoy it though, therefore I will keep using it. Part of being alpha brah. Do whatever the FUCK I WANT TO. Now go back to your wife. She needs her dishes done while she's getting cucked out by a real man.
/r/TheRedPill16/11/15 07:30 PM
2

Well the anglo world does have the most feminist women. Wonder if this is why we're dying off?
/r/MensRights16/11/15 07:27 PM
4

not angry at all doesn't hurt me personally just confirming the female imperative
/r/TheRedPill16/11/15 07:25 PM
2

you mad bro? jezebel might be more appropriate reading for you.
/r/MensRights16/11/15 07:18 PM
2

Good luck with that
/r/MensRights16/11/15 07:18 PM
1

1/5= feminist bullshit
/r/MensRights16/11/15 07:13 PM
-25

Cool story bro. But I stick with my analysis. Would it make you feel better if I take out the last line? I fixed it for ya brah
/r/TheRedPill16/11/15 07:12 PM
-2

Its much easier to get commitment at a younger age than older age for women with a HIGHER quality male.
/r/TheRedPill16/11/15 07:12 PM
0

True but this clown is claiming that women can get commitment easily at any age. Surely, women who are in their 30s and 40s want marriage. Why is the rate collapsing if his logic is correct?
/r/TheRedPill16/11/15 06:50 PM
1

Don't be mad Elam that I exposed ya. Atilla agrees that you basically pocket the money at AVFM brah.
/r/MensRights16/11/15 06:34 PM
1

Cool story Elam Good video for you: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=760_1447327952
/r/MensRights16/11/15 06:29 PM
1

If they are so "tiny", why are they able to recruit tons of recruits that take on both the Syrian and Iraqi armies that number in the 100s of thousands?
/r/MensRights16/11/15 05:58 PM
5

Then why are marriage rates at all time lows then?
/r/TheRedPill16/11/15 05:58 PM
1

yeah really small lol http://www.newenglishreview.org/blog_direct_link.cfm/blog_id/62398/Newsflash-Among-Sunni-Muslims-ISIS-is-Very-Popular
/r/MensRights16/11/15 05:49 PM
1

you are just the typical liberal moron that blames everyone else for muslim behavior reminds me of arguing with a feminist over female issues
/r/MensRights16/11/15 05:43 PM
1

LOL so afghanistan wasn't run by lunatics before 9/11? What about Iran? They are sane too?
/r/MensRights16/11/15 05:22 PM
5

Cool story bro. But then why are there all these articles? Can't understand it! Women in their 30s surely have tons of options! http://www.forbes.com/sites/larissafaw/2012/12/05/why-are-so-many-professional-millennial-women-unable-to-find-dateable-men/ http://www.heraldsun.com.au/lifestyle/single-women-in-their-30s-are-struggling-to-find-love-amid-a-man-drought/story-e6frfhix-1226573662198 http://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/life/why-women-lose-the-dating-game-20120421-1xdn0.html https://dalrock.wor…
/r/TheRedPill16/11/15 05:21 PM
3

The rates of "autism" have been rising for decades. This is artifact noted due to increased incidence of "autism". Furthermore, most STEM majors are now being called "autistic" just for reference.
/r/TheRedPill16/11/15 04:30 PM
1

I suggest you walk around some Islamic countries these days, such as Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan or even Egypt without any bodyguards. We will see how many are "peace" loving towards you lol
/r/MensRights16/11/15 04:24 PM
1

Cool story Paul Elam. Good luck with that
/r/MensRights16/11/15 04:14 PM
1

LOL except the IRA wasn't declaring a global jihad. Also, ISIS has widespread support in the Sunni world. I guess ISIS aren't really muslims huh?
/r/MensRights16/11/15 04:01 PM
0

Im serious, go travel around those parts of the world since you think its so "peaceful" and understand things so well. Put your money where your mouth is champ. Just let everyone know you're a Westerner that isn't Muslim.
/r/MensRights16/11/15 04:00 PM
0

Cool, keep traveling in those areas these days. Maybe i'll see a good video of you on best gore. Useful idiots always make good beheading victims lol
/r/MensRights16/11/15 03:58 PM
1

Russia, France, etc are all "warmongering" too these days in the middle east. Maybe we should just sit back and ISIS take over then? How can we stop them without war mongering Paul?
/r/MensRights16/11/15 03:49 PM
1

Good, maybe you should move to Syria to see how well they treat you as a Christian
/r/MensRights16/11/15 03:43 PM
2

The evidence is that the VAST majority of women supported feminism and voted for politicians who supported it, regardless of some "dark triad". Feminism seems to be a movement that women in general strongly supported through voting and support for groups like NOW.
/r/TheRedPill16/11/15 02:34 PM
4

Most people only care about short term benefit, especially women. Who cares about thinking about the long term when you get a bunch of goodies short term.
/r/TheRedPill16/11/15 02:26 PM
1

Yeah another reason for the MRA being a joke. Dean is basically crapping on other MRAs and tells them to "get lost" if they don't like it. Sounds like Elam. Two peasant dictators lol
/r/MensRights16/11/15 01:57 PM
1

Thanks for clarifying that Paul. Guess the people who saw his video don't agree since he has mostly down votes
/r/MensRights16/11/15 12:25 PM
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lol just sounded funny to say just don't fight that simple
/r/MensRights16/11/15 03:55 AM
-7

man the fuck up
/r/MensRights16/11/15 03:47 AM
-2

yeah but not avfm
/r/MensRights16/11/15 03:37 AM
0

Most of those "accomplishments" he states were done by individual dudes with lawyers, not really AVFM doing much.
/r/MensRights16/11/15 03:01 AM
-4

They haven't done much yet. AVFM can barely get a conference going. The only cool thing I can think about in the last year was the Redpill movie (potentially)
/r/MensRights16/11/15 03:01 AM
2

If you can't get into a T14 law school, you shouldn't go to law school.
/r/MensRights15/11/15 08:44 PM
1

Whats win win about it again?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/15 08:19 PM
1

Why isn't that a debate topic? Its talking about childfree ladies and comes from a popular tabloid. is it due to hypergamy or not?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/15 08:15 PM
1

Good, hope they are happy with that
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/15 08:11 PM
0

Nothing but this is an article in a very popular british paper that many women read crying about "men" again
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/15 08:08 PM
2

ok I agree with that part but the "yellow" zone becomes red much faster for women
/r/TheRedPill15/11/15 08:07 PM
0

CNN is no more credible than Dailymail Dailymail is about as credible as any mainstream media source. It also has a female section that is very popular among women who basically just bitch about men and talk celebrity gossip. Do you think most women give a shit about the news? Thats for men!
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/15 08:06 PM
0

Women in this article and in many media sources about "lack of good men" or "men aren't wanting to settle down because they are being immature"
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/15 08:05 PM
0

I said a SEGMENT of those women, read it again
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/15 08:04 PM
1

Such as from where?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/15 08:03 PM
-1

I can agree with the 22-28 thing, with 28 pushing it.
/r/TheRedPill15/11/15 08:00 PM
-2

so feminists don't have sisters and girlfriends these days?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/15 07:59 PM
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These men in the article all had children. Just with upgraded females at younger ages than the previous women they dated.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/15 07:59 PM
-1

lol
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/15 07:58 PM
-1

ok but then why whine about your "choices"? Men can choose to have kids whenever they want as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/15 07:58 PM
1

Where do you get information from? Most media outlets are basically tabloids.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/15 07:57 PM
1

very true
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/15 07:56 PM
0

You posted an OUTLIER female picture as your example lol Then you spoke about celebrities in your responses. Also, I am not speaking about "average" men. The average woman is an obese slob these days and so is the "average" man. Average men never really have much of a "peak". They earn 30K per year and usually are overlooked by the vast majority of women.
/r/TheRedPill15/11/15 07:54 PM
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so? you don't have a sister and girlfriend? most feminists have sisters and girlfriends.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/15 07:53 PM
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It represents a decent segment of women who are childless
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/15 07:50 PM
1

you mad feminist bro?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/15 07:49 PM
0

Germany is at 1.3, Islam here we come!
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/15 07:48 PM
1

Which top level women get hotter in their 30s compared to 20s? Sure some fat ass woman who is totally out of shape in her 20s can increase in her 30s by losing weight. However, a woman in peak condition throughout her 20s is NEVER better during her 30s. That is why Victoria Secret doesn't allow women in their 30s to apply.
/r/TheRedPill15/11/15 07:48 PM
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Yeah but I am speaking about the general Western/American culture by using the media to highlight it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/15 07:47 PM
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LOL your post is so full of contradictions its not even worth arguing against it further. Your ass put men in the green zone for "24-37". Now you admit that Brad Pitt, George Clooney, Joe Magnello, Daniel Craig, etc had the opposite experience for their SMV compared to their mid 20s lol
/r/TheRedPill15/11/15 07:44 PM
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Yes but the article consists of women bitching about the "men" who caused them to be childless. I wouldn't mind if some bitch says she didn't want kids but in typical feminista manner, she blames some man for her issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/15 07:43 PM
-1

This is a debate area brah. Go back to jezebel if you don't want to discuss it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/15 07:42 PM
1

Hitting the wall is hitting the wall, regardless of reasons. They can hit the wall by mid to late 20s by partying, tanning, alcoholic, whore, etc. But SMV PEAK in females is definitely early to mid 20s. Why does Victoria Secret have such strict rules for female age if women are still in their "peak zone" at late 20s to 30s? Ridiculous.
/r/TheRedPill15/11/15 07:41 PM
1

You didn't post an "average" woman either. You were posting top level people. I can show you many Hollywood celeb males who INCREASED in SMV from the mid 30s into their 50s compared to their 20s. Show me ANY Victoria Secret models or even Hollywood actresses that have increased in their 30s compared to 20s.
/r/TheRedPill15/11/15 07:40 PM
1

Jennifer Aniston has lower SMV in her 40s than 20s and early 30s. This is unlike her male colleagues.
/r/TheRedPill15/11/15 07:38 PM
1

Correct but clearly many of them can't pull it off. So they gambled and lost trying to get a man too high in caliber than she could attract. Ergo, its her fault.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/15 07:22 PM
0

lol most major news outlets are half gossip these days but this shows the change in culture
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/15 07:21 PM
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those stats are accurate plus they are showing real couples
/r/MensRights15/11/15 07:18 PM
1

lol
/r/MensRights15/11/15 07:18 PM
1

Also, your argument about fertility is far from accurate. Here is the head of NHS's opinion on female fertility when it comes to IVF: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3104023/NHS-chief-warns-women-not-wait-30-baby-country-faces-fertility-timebomb.html
/r/TheRedPill15/11/15 07:17 PM
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I have given multiple Hollywood stars in my above post whose SMV has increased in their mid 30s and up compared to themselves in their 20s. This is very common for top level males. How many women increase in their SMP in Hollywood or modeling careers when they get into late 20s and up? VS models aren't allowed after mid 20s at the most! This guy is way too generous with his opinion for women and hostile towards male SMV
/r/TheRedPill15/11/15 07:12 PM
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Could be but how is that the man's fault. The female can fix her position by either dating older men with money or dating a guy willing to have kids at a younger age regardless of finances. Why doesn't she? Once again, women are trying to blame men for their issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/15 07:11 PM
1

you mad bro?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/15 07:05 PM
0

The female's pic you put in doesn't prove she is "peak" anything due to: 1) Pic can easily be photoshopped whereby it was a SETUP photo without any confirming pics taken natively on the beach without any touch up. 2) No pics of her during her 20s to compare if she held up compared to 30s 3) One example can always be an exception to the RULE, whereby the vast majority of women decline significantly, regardless of their diet/exercise. Brad Pitt and George Clooney have higher SMP in their 50s than …
/r/TheRedPill15/11/15 07:04 PM
2

The only people who should vote are those employed in NON governmental jobs that pay a net positive tax.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/15 06:58 PM
0

Here's examples of men >50 who are ripped into their 70s: https://www.facebook.com/fitguysover50/ Big deal. By your logic, these guys are still good to go as well then! If we used that kind of logic, men's peak windows should remain into their 70s, just look at these pics! Also, those pics you posted could easily be photoshopped. They are clearly staged pics that aren't done in the wild but at some kind of photoshoot, which can easily be airbrushed/photoshopped. Example from the dailymail: This …
/r/TheRedPill15/11/15 06:50 PM
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The concept looks decent but its too generous on female SMV numbers. Men decline with age too but at a much slower rate. They also peak later (30s) and then slowly decline.
/r/TheRedPill15/11/15 06:30 PM
0

You can't "fix" it due to Sunni support for ISIS. ISIS will inevitably continue to grow among the middle eastern sunnis and north africa. They will also grow in Europe due to immigrant populations.
/r/MensRights14/11/15 05:29 PM
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The problem is the "moderate" Sunnis are all very weak and can't defeat ISIS. They are usually giving up and giving their weapons to ISIS.
/r/MensRights14/11/15 05:07 PM
1

lol cool conspiracy story bro. Now I can see why we have leftist MRAs lol
/r/MensRights14/11/15 05:05 PM
1

Sunnis are >80% of the Muslim world. Only Shia countries are Iran and part of Iraq. Assad is Shia but a small minority in Syria, hence his manpower issue.
/r/MensRights14/11/15 04:35 PM
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ISIS couldn't take over all these countries without major internal support among Sunnis. Even if America "destabilized" these areas, the groups that take over will be the most popular ones.
/r/MensRights14/11/15 04:34 PM
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Direct quote from the above article: "That doesn’t mean the US created Isis, of course, though some of its Gulf allies certainly played a role in it – as the US vice-president, Joe Biden, acknowledged last year." Also, many of ISIS's top leadership are former Baathists from Saddam's party Also, if ISIS wasn't popular among the mainstream Sunni world, how are they becoming so successful in terms of getting manpower and support from middle eastern states?
/r/MensRights14/11/15 04:20 PM
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We never backed ISIS, we tried to back some moderate Sunni groups, which had no chance against ISIS. There is no side to really back in Syria. Its all ASSAD vs ISIS/Al Qaeda now. Assad can't win due to low manpower and army in disarray. Russian bombings will only buy him a little extra time. Assad was about to lose Damascus before Russia stepped into the game.
/r/MensRights14/11/15 04:15 PM
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America has ultimately left the middle east. We keep getting dragged back in because ISIS keeps growing. We are attempting to hold them back with drone strikes and air campaigns. Now Russia is teaming up with Assad to hold back ISIS. ISIS was about to wipe out Assad fully until Putin stepped into the game to give him a temporary reprieve. Assad will lose over the longer haul due to lack of manpower.
/r/MensRights14/11/15 04:12 PM
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Is that why ISIS polls the highest numbers in the Sunni Muslim world? Imagine what would happen to leadership if there were free elections? In Egypt, the Muslim brotherhood took over under free elections. The military had to take the country back from the MB through a coup. They have put in an UNELECTED DICTATOR in Egypt to control ISIS/MB but have caused a guerrilla war. Palestinians elected HAMAS (jihadist) group.
/r/MensRights14/11/15 04:11 PM
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You can form some kind of fringe neo nazi group or something but really can't do much. The culture is too feminized to stop Islam at this point.
/r/MensRights14/11/15 04:10 PM
1

How can America stop ISIS? ISIS is taking over country after country. Russia is attempting to team up with Assad to stop ISIS but they are losing as well due to lack of manpower. Unless someone is willing to put boots on the ground (very expensive plus costly for lives), we can't contain them. And even with boots on the ground, it will be a long standing guerrilla war of attrition that the West doesn't do well at.
/r/MensRights14/11/15 04:06 PM
0

What can you do to stop them? Western people have very few kid with very poor demographics thanks to feminism. Islam is a patriarchal system that allows high birth rates coupled with immigration to take over the Western world. Unless the whole feminist/multicultural racket is destroyed (very unlikely in the West considering women get to vote), the West will be finished in a generation or two at the most.
/r/MensRights14/11/15 04:04 PM
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LOL cool story liberal Paul Elam. Blame the West and America for an Islamic movement lol Why does it enjoy such support among Muslims then? ISIS always wins in polls throughout the Middle East. If free elections were held in Sunni countries, ISIS would run them all.
/r/MensRights14/11/15 04:00 PM
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Sunni Muslims allow Jews and Christians to live under the Jiyza tax. Also, if you convert to Islam as a male, you have far more rights than men in the Western world.
/r/MensRights14/11/15 03:57 PM
0

Cool story bro. Except for the fact that demographics show the opposite of your claims. The Islamic people are increasing by the MILLIONS each year in Europe. Germany alone expects at least 20 million Muslims by 2020. Google it Paul. Furthermore, ISIS is GROWING despite USA and Russia attempts to hold them back. They are literally recruiting nonstop among the Sunni Islamic world with increasing support shown by PEW polls throughout the Islamic world. If it wasn't for dictators in other middle Ea…
/r/MensRights14/11/15 03:56 PM
1

It is? Is that why Muslims are literally flooding into Europe by the millions forming their own semi autonomous communities throughout the heart of Europe? Why are mosques growing by the thousands throughout Europe while churches close?
/r/MensRights14/11/15 03:43 PM
1

History has shown matriachial societies are always conquered by patriarchial ones. West will become Islamic thanks to feminism.
/r/MensRights14/11/15 03:39 PM
2

Feminists have allowed Islam to take over. Islam is not going anywhere and will continue to grow in the weak feminized West. Get used to Paris bombings
/r/MensRights14/11/15 03:36 PM
2

Yup, the future rulers of Europe.
/r/TheRedPill13/11/15 11:24 PM
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Feminism has destroyed Europe. The Muslims are taking over Europe due to low birth rates and feminism. This is the natural outcome for any society that allows feminism to take over. Another video about Muslims taking over Sweden: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRlhmZhO8hk
/r/TheRedPill13/11/15 11:20 PM
2

Considering there are no real outlets for men to speak, I guess its the closest thing we have.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/15 10:30 PM
2

We haven't even got the beginning of stage one. AVFM can't even get a conference going, forget about the "second wave" lol Baby steps people
/r/MensRights13/11/15 08:16 PM
1

They can complain, no one is stoping them. The difference is women attempt to NAG men into submission. This is probably why they don't think its a good idea. It will just cause the SO to leave.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/15 08:13 PM
1

Ok so why shouldn't they badmouth women on those sites? Its important for men to talk about problems with women, so other men know what to avoid in the future.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/15 08:10 PM
2

Just don't think TRP should control their language/complaints about women/SOs when all the "women's" websites don't control their complaints. Don't believe in unilaterally giving up.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/15 08:07 PM
6

People at TBP, Jezebel and Xojane bad mouth men and SOs all the time. Complain about them?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/15 08:05 PM
3

If you don't like a guy who smokes weed all day, don't marry him. Very simple solution. If you marry a dude that smokes weed all day, then thats on you.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/15 08:04 PM
3

Why doesn't xojane or jezebel avoid articles bad mouthing their SO? Go ask your feminist friends that question first before you try to look at the speck in the eye of TRP
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/15 08:02 PM
3

Correct. Its hard to gauge "housework". Does putting clothes into the washing machine and dryer (5 minutes of actual work but an hour cycle for combined usage) counted as 5 mins or an hour of work? Very different than an hour of construction work or doing even office work.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/15 08:00 PM
1

Actually its worse because working in the office is far worse than sitting around most of the day watching Oprah. We all know most of the time spent doing "chores" isn't really time doing chores.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/15 06:12 PM
1

What about cervical and testicular CA funding comparisons? Or testicular and breast CA funding? We can compare multiple ailments to see if there is a trend for female preference
/r/MensRights13/11/15 06:08 PM
0

400 dollars US! Really cheap!
/r/MensRights13/11/15 04:58 PM
1

Better than last year's proposed conference. They were talking 650/person, now its down to 350 (US dollars) per person
/r/MensRights13/11/15 04:31 PM
0

Go back to jezebel. This is the mens rights reddit not feministing
/r/MensRights13/11/15 03:28 PM
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LOL cool story bro
/r/MensRights13/11/15 10:33 AM
-2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsHKf4-gnVQ You were talking about trolling after this gem? Whose the troll again Paul? Drunk rage all over youtube?
/r/MensRights13/11/15 10:29 AM
0

Who provides "serious" content? Anita? Stewart? LOL They hide behind being "comedians" when they bash guys like Paul Elam. MRAs need to use "comedy" back. Also Paul, you're the last to speak about decorum considering your drunken rant put on youtube. Have you forgotten this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsHKf4-gnVQ The feminists loved showing this one off. Whose the troll again?
/r/MensRights13/11/15 10:26 AM
1

TRP has more subscribers and active users on reddit than the men's rights group. Also, Roosh's website has a much higher Alexa rating than AVFM. They are pretty relevant.
/r/MensRights13/11/15 10:23 AM
1

Paul, its not that serious man. Liberal "comedians" have made a good job out of making "fun" of conservatives, MRAs, etc. Jon Stewart, Colbert, etc are liberals who make fun of MRAs and conservatives using "humor". They even had Anita Sarkeesian on yapping about Gamergame and "joking" about MRAs. We are allowed to "joke" about them as well.
/r/MensRights13/11/15 10:18 AM
2

Is that not a correct statement? They are fat feministas. Maybe I should use a more clinical term to describe Futrelle as obese? His BMI clearly falls in the obese range. Ergo, its an accurate assessment.
/r/MensRights13/11/15 10:12 AM
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2015 was shutdown due to lack of interest, primarily from high prices and lack of good speakers. 2014 was initially setup at the Doubletree in Detroit but got shutdown due to "security" concerns allegedly because of feminists. They required 31K to cover uniformed police officers due to these threats (as per the Hotel). A fundraising drive was setup, which easily covered these expenses. However, at the last minute, Elam switched the venue to the DFW (much cheaper place that cost very little to re…
/r/MensRights13/11/15 10:09 AM
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They had one of these in 2014. It got shutdown at the Hotel and was placed in some backroom DFW conference room. We'll see how this one goes off. The prices are far more reasonable than the screwup from 2015 with better speakers. The only weakness is England. We shall see if it has sufficient support there.
/r/MensRights13/11/15 10:03 AM
0

How so Paul? Don't be butthurt because I call the MRA movement out on real issues (not some feminist nonsense). The conference for 2016 looks way better than that fuckup in 2015 though. Good luck with that one!
/r/MensRights13/11/15 10:01 AM
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Looks way better than the last fuckup from 2015! Prices look reasonable as well! Good job Elam. Hope there are enough supporters all the way in England!
/r/MensRights13/11/15 10:00 AM
3

He has a lot of feminist support. His Alexa was beating AVFM with all the fat feministas that come to his website. I think this Cassie Jay documentary might be a good game changer though. This will likely boost the whole movement. This is why the feminists are nervous. I really hope MRAs get out in the public mainstream more!
/r/MensRights13/11/15 09:58 AM
3

This isn't exactly true. Hot/Alpha males aren't really kissing the ass of single moms that have two kids. The rest is true though.
/r/MensRights13/11/15 09:56 AM
5

use Achives. Fuck that FAT slob Dave Futrelle. He is scared! Get the message out!
/r/MensRights13/11/15 09:44 AM
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Its even worse than this: http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0033308 Traditional BMI numbers UNDERESTIMATE female obesity and OVERESTIMATE male obesity due to differences in muscle mass
/r/TheRedPill13/11/15 09:14 AM
0

but but but its not a left vs right issue!!!!!
/r/MensRights12/11/15 01:07 PM
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