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It'd be nice if you listed the script of each one - ideally all in one place to compare.
/r/seduction08/12/19 06:04 PM
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This is good for those that are already half decent at game. It was written by someone already good at game that wanted to achieve better 'quality' results. But plenty will find that often it's the more technical aspects they are missing; perhaps because they've spent their lives doing other interesting things and missed getting good at attracting women.
/r/seduction11/10/19 06:30 PM
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If you take just London, which is not at all representative of the rest of the UK; "White British" was at 45% in 2011 and if it'd continued the previous, possibly closer to 35% now - though quite likely that trend did slow considerably for a variety of reasons; credit crunch, Brexit and so on. And perhaps also explains why a lot of videos etc are focused on London. Appreciating that those figures don't directly represent what you may mean by 'immigrants'.
/r/seduction11/10/19 06:25 PM
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Good work. For me, I would be happy to have... ⇛ done 100 approaches ⇛ got 15 lots of contact information ⇛ got a date ⇛ recorded it all If you're unhappy with it; is there more you can learn from the better and less good results? Some will just be out of your control, but hopefully there's some patterns you can regognise.
/r/seduction01/10/19 01:56 PM
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For some people sure. Hasn't worked for me - if you've got all the other "attraction boxes" ticked and this is the last one. But there's a lot of other areas people can be lacking in generating attraction.
/r/seduction07/08/19 12:57 PM
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Very few guys will see 'first time' as a bad thing for their female partner. A lot will be pleased. So, providing he's a nice person, I would tell him, so that hopefully he knows to go a bit slower and be extra sensitive to you. If you find you're enjoying (or not enjoying) something in particular - communicate that to him.
/r/seduction03/08/19 10:24 AM
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It was the 'INSTANTLY' that got me... I started at say 20 but i dont think I was serious about it till 27 Maybe not quite so much!
/r/seduction01/08/19 10:20 AM
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I've only very recently become aware of eye contact - that it affects people and how it does. So a few years ago, I probably wouldn't even have really noticed!
/r/seduction20/07/19 05:06 PM
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Maybe I'm just too picky :). To be fair, I do know plenty of men a lot less picky than me.
/r/seduction09/07/19 11:56 AM
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Pretty inaccurate assessment of how much "having an attractive disposition" - aka "being good at game" is valued by women to my mind! 😉 (I saw this as someone really pretty damn terrible at it.) You are 1" shorter than Neil Strauss. Different race, but you've presumably got hair, where he didn't have. He seemed to do okay.
/r/seduction09/07/19 11:37 AM
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Some women are care about height and want someone one shorter than you and that is an absolute deal breaker - you could just as well be an 80 year old grandma. I started losing my hair at a young age and was shaving my head from 22 or so. That put me out in the same category for some women. ​ BUT... absolutely loads of women either don't care, or just see it as one small factor. So, sure out of a total of 1000 points, the tall bloke might get an extra 10. Maybe another 10 for being a different r…
/r/seduction09/07/19 11:24 AM
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I'm a 6' Caucasion. I've met plenty of short asians way better than me at getting girls. One of the real benefits men have is that we can learn to make ourselves considerably more attractive to women. While often men's attraction to women is a lot more superficial.
/r/seduction09/07/19 10:59 AM
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Just learn about building self worth and the very basics of attraction and everything else will follow. This doesn't sound like it's from your experience. ​ My experience is that this definitely isn't enough for me. Oh and self worth ≠ confidence in these situations.
/r/seduction05/07/19 09:05 AM
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Piggy backing this - any suggestion for when they've shown obvious interest (body contact in tight situations etc) It should be the simplest thing ever but I'm still terrible at finding something to 'open' with.
/r/seduction03/07/19 06:11 PM
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If you're the sort of person that says attractive things naturally - yes. Oh and on your second part - yes I have way more life experience than average and often to a pretty deep level, but that doesn't mean I'm good at utilising that to actually "be attractive".
/r/seduction03/07/19 02:02 PM
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It is one part of a puzzle. It's absolutely not the only part. I'm pretty good at being non-needy, but also still not good at being attractive enough in other areas, or capitalising on it when I am.
/r/seduction20/06/19 02:35 PM
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For the first bet - absolutely. The "do what you want" thing only works for those that happened to be lucky enough to already want to behave in a way that fits in with what others like. For the rest - plenty of people's stories and experiences contradict this -how about you take some time to look at what women want from men and try offering that?
/r/seduction05/06/19 10:07 AM
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The way I read it is that he got pretty good at attracting women with general game/PUA stuff at the time over a good period of time and then realised he wanted more/better results and perfected it with the paradigms he describes in his book.
/r/seduction04/06/19 10:49 AM
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It has a lot of good points. But it also came from a position of someone already good at seduction. I tick off a lot of the aspects he discusses, but that doesn't mean I'm great at this whole game. I suspect the steps I'm missing are some that he's had years perfecting before providing the new paradigm.
/r/seduction04/06/19 09:25 AM
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Yes. ​ The answer is probably applicable without the stats unless you've already got a "gym body".
/r/seduction30/05/19 04:20 PM
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So, should we read your shit? As with many people you have found what has worked for you in your unique position. That's great for you. That doesn't mean the same solution will apply to other people in different situations.
/r/seduction09/05/19 02:29 PM
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Talk to people all the time Anyone ways to gently get better at this - yea, I know the ideal is you just say "hi" and work it out from there - but this is a life time of avoiding such contact I'm trying to reverse!
/r/seduction01/05/19 07:55 PM
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The (sucrose) sugar in fruit will cause exactly the same brain inflammation that the sugar in well 'sugar' causes, what with it being the same thing. This may then be countered by other compounds etc - but if you're not eating raw sugar from the bowl, you may find some of those same things in other things you're eating the sugar with.
/r/seduction30/04/19 02:57 PM
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Two negative habits destorying YOUR game, maybe. :) ​ Everyone knows processed sugar is one of the worst things you can put in your body ​ "Processed sugar" is the current 'baddy' fad, now it's out of fashion to be against fat. https://www.huffpost.com/entry/fruit-sugar-versus-white-sugar_n_3497795 Whether it's in a piece of fruit, your soda or a pastry, sugar is made up of the same two components: fructose and glucose. The molecular structure and composition of sugar molecules is the same no ma…
/r/seduction30/04/19 10:13 AM
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First off - I'm sure that "JFDI" is the best solution if you can and have the time. However, I don't always have the time or the ability to force myself to do that. So, also, for me I'm thinking something along the lines of... Practising approaching Women on swipe apps, maybe using random objects in the house as props. (Ie saying out loud a conversation I might have if I was on the street talking to them.) To try and get some 'muscle memory'. Try and make a point of chatting to more people more …
/r/seduction30/04/19 09:21 AM
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Men absolutely are more visual than women - but don't get too fixated on that either. If you don't already - If you can cultivate skills in just getting chatting to guys you've got a potential interest in you'll likely find that offers massive potential.
/r/seduction30/04/19 08:41 AM
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Heh - nice analogy! In my case at least I got other decent results, so thought it'd be nicer to tell people "well, they messed up" rather than "and a D in music". Also didn't seem worth the hassle of trying to chase it up and potentially needing retest or whatever - I haven't missed anything in life from not having that bit of paper!
/r/seduction29/04/19 06:02 PM
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I got a 'did not attend' rather than low/no/zero score for my GCSE music. Which was irksome as I did all the exams, practical and course work. But not that irksome because I expected a terrible mark, so I never moaned about it.
/r/seduction29/04/19 12:53 PM
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cutting out trans fat and high fructose corn syrup entirely would benefit you a ton even if you did nothing else For some people, sure. No, it wouldn't for me. I don't make an effort to avoid either. Transfat apart from that naturally occuring is fairly rare here. So is HFCS (I'm in the UK), but it's a pretty moot point - HFCS has a similar makeup to other sugars. ​ Last time I looked at it, even from it's own blurb, I believe "the ultramind solution" only claimed to be really relevant to about …
/r/seduction23/04/19 08:11 PM
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Follow a diet and stick to it. ZERO sugar Drink one gallon of water a day (Easier than I thought it would be) Good call on the nutrition book - any half decent one would suggest those two are bad ideas probably 😝 ​ (Even 'no added sugar' is a bit silly - because your body has no idea about what 'added sugar' is - it's just sugar and is treated in exactly the same way. Of course that may be an easy way to limit it if you have issues with too much sugar.)
/r/seduction23/04/19 07:49 PM
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why are you talking about festivals? Because a music festival offers a similar (but probably 'easier') environment to night clubs/bars. Thus I said 'Even more so' adding the festivals on to other times I've been out. ​ It may well help you, but for me this sort of thing hasn't.
/r/seduction15/04/19 04:47 PM
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To some degree I've tried it - I've often gone out a lot alone or ended up on my own. Even more so when you consider festivals where I'll easily hit 5 days x over 4 hours wandering alone and not drunk. (Booze doesn't help me unfortunately.) ​ Hasn't helped me. Haven't done it intentionally for the purpose of tackling that, but have gone to lots of events I've enjoyed and told myself to approach women and haven't for the most part. Of course a lot of this is a numbers game and if you put yourself…
/r/seduction15/04/19 11:38 AM
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I'm often told I'm a nice guy, in a good way. There was plenty in No More Mr Nice Guy I recognised - and plenty I didn't; I don't tend to be on the incel end of things. Part of that is wanting to let others make choices when they are involved. Not wanting to (potentially) make others feel uncomfortable. And various other aspects which are "anti seductive". (But yes, I've also been told that I'm a very secure person who is good at building others up etc - it's just is one aspect that often goes w…
/r/seduction10/04/19 05:35 PM
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Starting with a direct physical compliment. Which may leave some shy guys a bit flustered. ​ Of course, plenty of even more direct options WILL work on a good proportion of guys, presuming they find you acceptably attractive.... "Wanna fuck?" "Wanna be my boyfriend?" Or maybe a more elegant ... "Would you like to chat me up?" :)
/r/seduction08/04/19 10:02 PM
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To some degree it's harder - a lot of men may be looking for a specific aesthetic, but it probably still starts as a number game. ​ Normal advice for men - be in good shape, have your life in order and so on. ​ What sort of guys are you 'aiming' for? Shy guys - you'll have a really good selection and just that you're talking to them will probably make their day if you're happy to "open" them. Possibly start a bit less 'direct' - with a question etc. (I say as someone who's still a pretty serious…
/r/seduction08/04/19 06:07 PM
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There's a big movement here and elsewhere for the "improve yourself as a person and they will come" - overall I'm pretty good at having a rich and varied life, but it's not all the pieces of the puzzle. I'm fairly good at being friends with girls. Which hasn't got me that much closer to the goal of being good at being more than friends. It might be what other people are missing - a lot of people I think forget that others aren't like them. Often advice comes from people that have first got good …
/r/seduction25/03/19 06:21 PM
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Generally for people, also "they might just be having a bad day" - don't take it personally.
/r/seduction25/03/19 05:15 PM
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A lot of people that think they portray 'confidence and humour' are seen as arseholes by some other people. That doesn't mean both points aren't valid from their own angles.
/r/seduction24/03/19 09:12 PM
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Also, please don't presume to know and understand my psychology is attractive to women - that is absolutely great - for you. Again; the way you naturally interact with women is attractive it seems. That's great for you. But please don't presume that will be the same for everyone else. For me and many others, that isn't the case. Also, please don't overlay your preconceptions upon my psychology. I've been around long enough to have got a good understanding of how I work and it doesn't match your …
/r/seduction12/03/19 08:35 PM
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"Hi, I was just thinking what it'd be like to be playing computer games while you sat naked on my lap." ​
/r/seduction12/03/19 02:17 PM
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If you feel desire to touch someone will you? A lot of men feel the desire to touch women and much more. This is also quite natural. Some do exactly what they want "because they want to". Unfortunately said ways they want to touch women make them feel extremely uncomfortable and may well lead to prison for the man. ​ So, we're right back to aligning what you want with what works to attract women - if you're lucky enough to be able to want to naturally do what is attractive to women - that is abs…
/r/seduction12/03/19 02:17 PM
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I often have decent conversations with people I'm buying stuff off too - there's probably a shared interest there. Alas, for me it's mostly men - motorbike stuff, tech, mountain bikes, climbing etc.
/r/seduction11/03/19 11:33 PM
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Have a look on online dating profiles and see how many women say "we'll tell everyone we met in the vegetable isle in the supermarket fighting over the last pumpkin" or whatever. Most people I'd say would much prefer to tell others they started a relationship where they started a random conversation, rather than from something like online dating And I say this as an introverted and shy person terrible at talking to random people generally. Without specifically learning about it, I've absolutely …
/r/seduction11/03/19 12:20 PM
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The only possible training for dating is having an interesting life and liking yourself. If that's really the case, then it's horrible news for me and many others. I easily tick both of those boxes. Some people, through nurture, nature or both developed 'enough' seductive qualities. Others of us did not. I could easily point to a lot of elements in my upbringing which explained why I did not. ​ On the other side, no one ever trained me to know about computers, yet I do a job that most people com…
/r/seduction03/03/19 11:21 AM
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Ah, fair enough - I have certainly observed that on either side in others. (Alas going back in some cases when it's a girl I've been interested in, but it's not me getting said look.)
/r/seduction03/03/19 11:13 AM
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More recently, I'm trying to do more so in hopefully appropriate ways, or at least think about that! ​ A good bit back - probably too much so, or not in appropriate ways - which is why until recently I then generally tried to avoid it.
/r/seduction03/03/19 12:12 AM
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how did you stay motivated to eat right and not dig in to sweets, chips junk etc Not buying them in the first place. Using myfitnesspal (or similar) to track food. Possibly pre-planning a day's eating. Exercising back any extra calories, ideally before eating them ("I'll grab a 6 serving pavlova on the way back from the 10k run and eat the lot so my calories match my target"). Making a real effort to 'be good' for a couple of weeks - then it's a habit, where before sweets etc were a habit. Findi…
/r/seduction02/03/19 11:13 PM
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Absolutely - unfortunately often many people's experience of OPs... I subconsciously look at them in a seductive way and I have been told how cute or attractive that is after the fact. Is to find out they are seen as creepy, not cute and attractive. (I haven't been told that myself, but not saying that has or has not ever been the case, still.)
/r/seduction02/03/19 09:33 PM
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Go on, do tell what bs I can remove and what natural seductive qualities I have that will then shine through?
/r/seduction02/03/19 07:40 PM
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Great for you if it's "built into your brain". It's not built into my brain - quite the opposite, my paradigms are generally anti-seductive if anything.
/r/seduction02/03/19 05:30 PM
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No job? How about looking for a basic job that involves lots of interacting with people? If you can't find that, some charity work with the same in the mean time?
/r/seduction22/02/19 10:35 AM
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I listened to the unabridged audiobook. It had a lot of interesting points/considerations - but overall learning from techniques from it is probably for the more 'advanced' seducer.
/r/seduction20/02/19 04:29 PM
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I dropped you a message.
/r/seduction18/02/19 03:36 PM
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Remember that a lot of these techniques are what some people are 'naturally' - though of course that doesn't mean you're attracted to those kind of people. ​ I'm here because I'm missing decent chunks of the puzzle (while some others are pretty sorted). ​ I do often wonder if a lot of the advice we see will attract specific sorts of women - and that those often aren't the sorts of women I'm so focused on. ​ I'd like to find a decent long term relationship, to answer your question. But to do that…
/r/seduction13/02/19 01:07 AM
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How many years of your tactic not working for someone else should they carry on failing to approach girls? ​ The advice you have given may have worked for you and many others - but that doesn't mean it will work for others. ​ Plenty of people do seem to find other 'tricks' like using intoxicants, to convince themselves that their feet are only a few inches above the ground when they let go. Alas, for me they've never significant help - on booze I'm actually probably even less likely to talk to o…
/r/seduction11/02/19 03:00 PM
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Cheers; I absolutely appreciate that it's best to be honest about such things - for me and them. It's the actual conveying that I've always struggled with. Ie, I'm definitely not either socially confident or socially awkward enough to literally say "I'm attracted to you". (Which with the right person to pull it off in the right situation would probably work fine!)
/r/seduction08/02/19 11:49 AM
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Asking as somebody that is pretty helpful etc - how do you like some one like that to 'express sexual attraction'. Part of being 'nice' was a feedback loop where I wouldn't want to make girls/women feel uncomfortable (way before metoo etc), so wouldn't try and because I didn't try, I wasn't good at it etc. For me - I've never presumed that helping people etc will lead to them wanting to fuck me - infact in some cases, the opposite and I'll try and avoid my normal overly-helpful demure with a gir…
/r/seduction08/02/19 12:19 AM
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I am not good at this when put on the spot, but have been reading plenty about it. Does your style match the sort of thing that would be expected for where you are? Ie, not wearing tatty jeans and a hoodie in a high-end club, or a decent shirt, trousers and shoes in an alternative club. Appropriately clean and groomed, too, of course. What were you doing before you walked over? Could you have been staring at them too much, or not had any eye contact at all? What do you say straight after "hey"? …
/r/seduction04/02/19 02:10 PM
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At what point do they walk off? You're not 'building attraction' enough, I would suggest (something I absolutely have issues with, even when there's initial attraction.) Definitely worth seeing if there's other social activities that you can interact with women - sports and hobbies etc.
/r/seduction04/02/19 01:33 PM
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For the vast majority of guys in my experience, I'd say they'd be at least flattered, even if not interested. Partly because they generally don't have women constantly hitting on. And even the few that do at worst see it as a minor annoyance (unless said women are in their social circle and over the top/constantly pushy, perhaps.)
/r/seduction04/02/19 08:32 AM
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I have confidence in myself and (the rest of) my life. I'm still terrible at talking to girls. Maybe that's the reason for you, but it may just be you're terrible at talking to girls :).
/r/seduction31/01/19 12:45 PM
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I'd feel quite honoured if someone stole my image because I was considered so attractive that women would flock to it. Appreciated, if they did it so much it was blatant it might devalue your photos (the idea is presumably not to be blatant, so they forget who they've swiped on and wouldn't realise you'd changed the profile.) Though I bet in reality it doesn't make much difference. I also expect if I had that kind of abundance available, I wouldn't be bothered anyway.
/r/seduction30/01/19 02:18 PM
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I say this coming from a nice guy (not 'TM') who was never sure even on this aspect in the past... If you're being pretty blatant, make sure there's repeated contact from your chest to him. Actually on Reddit somewhere I think I read a girl saying "A girl knows exactly where her tits are." If nothing else, it should help make up his mind if he's attracted to you or not :). (Of course there is something on the other side of that being "I'm so friend-zoned with this man, they're like my female fri…
/r/seduction22/01/19 10:51 PM
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So for you it seems you first spent a good lot of time and effort practicing and developing yourself into someone who is good at attracting women. Then you were "yourself". The problem with telling people to "just be yourself" is that if they don't have the first step, they won't get the results you describe, which is likely what they want. ​ For what it's worth, this is what a good bit of Mark Manson's models seems to boil down to - he can attract women through "Honesty" because he's had the 'p…
/r/seduction22/01/19 05:54 PM
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Again YOU being YOURSELF is attractive to women. That is not the same for other people. Did you actually try 'being yourself' before asking for help? Did that work for you? Consider that a lot of people HAVE tried being themselves and found that it doesn't work - that's why they come to places like this to change what they can. If you can get hot girls when really overweight with other issues, then "yourself" is considerably better than average as far as an attractive personality goes, I'd say. …
/r/seduction22/01/19 12:00 PM
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You're someone that 'being yourself' works for. Which is great for you! But for everyone, the reality is different. And this is exampled when you tell people to just ask for what they want - because that's something that ISN'T "being yourself" for a lot of people. How many years, or even decades of 'letting the girl go' when friendzoned should you take and just accept it is the way it is? ​ Just because you always eat peanuts and never have ill effects doesn't mean you should should tell everyon…
/r/seduction22/01/19 11:41 AM
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Usual suggestion; have a read of "No More Mr Nice Guy" and see if his understanding of the world reflects the world you see.
/r/seduction16/01/19 02:22 PM
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It sounds like you've both got issues that need to work through - and likely you've both made it worse and worse for each other. Definitely counselling if you can. If not, it sounds like you still both need to sit down and have a real heart to heart about each other's emotions. While it doesn't excuse 'bad behaviour', do appreciate that generally men psyche does have some grounding in sex. Not having/being refused sex erodes that grounding on a variety of levels and can easily lead to a range of…
/r/seduction14/01/19 05:00 PM
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I'd echo Livear's comments on how your post come across to me. However; for me right now the big missing piece is overcoming approach anxiety and so far haven't found suggestions that have worked for me. (A lot of other areas either aren't bad or are stuck on that - though if I had better success in creating engaging and fun conversations with randoms I'd probably have less approach anxiety.)
/r/seduction14/01/19 12:39 PM
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Out of interest, how much stubble? I've shaved my head since early 20s (now nearly 40). Also got a good lot of grey in there, which one aspect that's kept me shaving. ​ Have wondered about micropigmentation before, but it feels a bit 'fake'.
/r/seduction13/01/19 11:35 PM
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For the shy type - can you get yourself in more social situations with the sort of guys you like? Maybe listen in on group discussions, then ask questions and show interest in what they are talking about. If it's something that genuinely interests you, you could maybe get them alone to talk about. Humans are tactile - a lot is taught to men about 'kino' (touching) women, but the same the other way is a great way to make someone notice you a little more without it being pushy. For instance if you…
/r/seduction13/01/19 08:55 PM
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I've just been listening to the audiobook of the 'art of seduction' - it's a lot deeper than just convincing someone to sleep with you - it covers romantic, social and political 'seduction'. And for the most part it covers longer term seductions, such as Napeleon and his charisma and on the other side, Josephine Bonaparte and how she seduced him. It's pretty indepth, but probably has some good concepts in achieving your aims. ​ Separately of course, being a great person that has a great enjoyabl…
/r/seduction11/01/19 11:43 PM
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Yeah but at the same time just improving your life isn't going to get rid of approach anxiety or make girls start coming to you. Exactly this. I have terrible approach anxiety. Yet generally when people meet me they see a pretty 'confident alpha' as far as my life etc goes. (And that is from my own self confidence too - not everything's perfect of course, but there's a lot of stuff I'm pretty happy with.) ​ Along those lines, while Mark Manson's "Models" is always espoused, he seems to have come…
/r/seduction10/01/19 09:14 AM
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I notice a lot less variation in how I feel based upon my weight/diet than others do as it is. (Not all my genetics are great, but that aspect I seem to be lucky with.) Further, it seems I'm already doing at least a good lot of what it suggests right now anyway. Of course, different bodies are different and I've no doubt that SOME people will really benefit from changing their diet. I know friends that have found big differences from changes in diet. But that requires the issue to be the diet in…
/r/seduction09/01/19 04:57 PM
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But I would be able to get a good idea of how insulin resistant or not I am, would you agree? Iced Cinnamon Dolce Latte ≠ Latte That's like saying "Cabbage is really bad for you...".. "oh, I meant the cabbage I covered in syrup and sweetened whip cream". When I worked there a latte was made with milk and espresso coffee, nothing else. As an idea, the same volume of skimmed milk would have 24g of sugar (22.2g for full fat), compared to the 36g in your example. So while it is more, a significant a…
/r/seduction09/01/19 04:35 PM
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Which I don't (not for a while) for porn, not for fried foods particularly. (I cook most of my own food, prefer lean meat, use a very good anti-stick pan and at worst use a little low calorie spray.) Brain inflammation from sugar is related to insulin resistance. I've already mentioned that this isn't an issue for me. I don't drink sugary drinks. I never go to Starbucks. If I did, I'd know that buying a latte would have a load of sugar in it... from the milk. Yet people are rarely bothered by mi…
/r/seduction09/01/19 03:10 PM
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Work on improving yourself, And that's kinda the thing with 'Just be Yourself'... Be yourself if what you're doing is working. If not, make yourself someone else.
/r/seduction09/01/19 10:07 AM
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Nope, none of those. Well, some sugar, but a) I'm reasonable fit and healthy without particular insulin resistance, so it doesn't make any difference to me unless taken really to the excess and b) being human, my body kinda runs on sugar. There are plenty of others reasons people may be anxious in social situations (and depressed).
/r/seduction09/01/19 09:59 AM
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Good work - to be fair, had a shaved head for well over a decade. Did seem to do better when I tried around 5 years ago, but different part of the country and OLD changed a bit since then apparently. (However my bio and pics better now I'd say.) I'm not great in real life either, but get enough interest I generally don't capitalise on very well, at least!
/r/seduction07/01/19 10:55 PM
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I'm terrible at most of this, but.... Make it obvious you're there, without imposing yourself. Normally when it's tight there's some contact anyway with everyone, women and men. If you're standing behind her, see if she's open to a bit of grinding. ​ Though for me, then if anything makes the 'introduction' more awkward... "Hi, I'm the bloke who's dick you've been rubbing your arse on..." Watching someone else, last weekend (at a DnB event as it goes :) ), he was initially dancing with one hand d…
/r/seduction07/01/19 07:57 PM
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You're aiming higher than your profile's attractiveness. ​ The best answer is probably to look at other avenues. But, you could try increasing your profile's attractiveness - get people to have a look at your bio(s) (including on reddit). Try using photofeeler to rate your photos. Then get better photos and get them rated until you've got a decent selection. ​ Online dating encourages people to be ultra-selective. I'm bald with a shaved head - others report about 1/10th reduction in interest goi…
/r/seduction07/01/19 07:40 PM
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Illogical approach anxiety, probably based on underlying deep seated paradigms.
/r/seduction07/01/19 12:29 AM
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I am 6' "White British". I was at a club recently with some maybe 5'7 or so asians. Guess who was dancing with/getting interest from the girls? It wasn't me - they were just much more outgoing and extrovert than me.
/r/seduction05/01/19 06:59 PM
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To me, the answer to your issues seems to be "more seduction", not less. That way you can attract higher quality women that have the aspects the ones you currently date are lacking.
/r/seduction05/01/19 06:40 PM
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Mistake: going on a date with them?
/r/seduction05/01/19 05:27 PM
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Generally not for those extended periods wihtout a rest, but "done that". Both more recently by myself and some time ago when I went to a boxing club. From the boxing club, I'd normally do it on a 3 minutes on/1 minute off sort of timing. Also have run many, many 10k distances, done a trail ultra marathon, cycled loads, done rowing a good bit and a load of different gym classes. (Actually, one of the gym classes I did was basically shadow boxing without rest periods.) Unfortunately my body is ju…
/r/seduction05/01/19 09:27 AM
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We can be pretty sure at least one person described here has some 'issues'. The woman who smiled, we can't really tell. ​ ​
/r/seduction04/01/19 02:14 PM
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I believe the point is that in the past he did 78 approaches with no immediate results - but that has lead to him getting a 100% success rate in numbers this time.
/r/seduction04/01/19 12:12 PM
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I was trying to think the name of this app... https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.idaretoapp.idareto&hl=en While it's not quite the same focus as the OP, it's a very similar concept I'd say.
/r/seduction03/01/19 12:17 PM
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Makes very little difference for me - but plenty of people it does help. I also never get the endorphins others do either, which plenty of others enjoy.
/r/seduction02/01/19 02:29 PM
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I say different things depending on the girl and what I feel like in the moment. I'd be pretty sure it's these things the OP is interested in, not the 'Hey'!
/r/seduction01/01/19 10:58 PM
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And after that, you would say?.... Unless she starts a conversation from that, the 'hey' isn't really the actual 'opener' any more than say walking over is, the way I see it.
/r/seduction01/01/19 09:38 PM
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Some of Hayley Quinn's videos are specifically directed at women attracting men:https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCyA6r3k8zMF2axgxVz-qTMA ​ Though I would also echo others - if you can just approach them and talk to them, you probably don't need to do much more. If you want the shy guys (I say as someone who's been terrible in such situations), you might have to do a bit more work to see if he's not interested or just to shy to show interest immediately, but otherwise it should be pretty clear!
/r/seduction01/01/19 07:11 PM
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So, for more 'classic' PUA techniques - are you demonstrating you're attracted to her? (Something I'm improving on myself very slowly.) Are you 'building attraction'? Kino, eye contact, flirting, qualifying, disqualifying, the dreaded 'negs' as needed? ​ This post looks like a good check list to see if your 'tick off' all the points there, as a starter for 10: https://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/abbqyj/the_basics_of_game_and_flirting/
/r/seduction01/01/19 07:08 PM
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Were the dating coaches of the 'pickup' variety or a more 'fem-centered' style? ​ I'm not amazing at any of these (in fact I mostly suck), but I've always had a decent idea of the reasons why - well, I don't do the approach and laughing bits you do. But when I am talking, I don't build attraction. ​ You could try seeing if the book "No More Mr Nice Guy" applies to you. " Counselors, dating coaches, friends and family have been unable to point out anything that I'm doing wrong. They say I'm a gre…
/r/seduction01/01/19 06:48 PM
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Yea, good shout - I'm sure I've seen things where it's suggested you go out and aim to get rejected 100 times or whatever - if someone says 'yes', you're doing it wrong!
/r/seduction01/01/19 04:14 PM
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A great example to women and indeed the rest of us too, when we complain about a lot more minor issues with ourselves! ​ But on that I should note it does say Primarily for men, which I didn't take to be exclusionary, just that in reality most of the people asking and offering advice will be men. ​ I'm trying to work on my banter/wittiness with people I don't in random social situations at the moment as it goes 🙂.
/r/seduction27/12/18 09:33 PM
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They don't. Women are generally a lot more complex and deeper than men when it comes to attraction. ​ Which is really lucky for men that aren't top rated in attraction - they can improve a lot of things to give them a really wide range of choice, while women will generally be more limited on looks. (But do have more options for altering that with makeup etc.) ​ You actually mention a good number of other factors as well as looks - for instance, your confidence and that you give off a 'weak aura'…
/r/seduction27/12/18 06:22 PM
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Fair points!
/r/seduction27/12/18 08:54 AM
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According to a one survey I found, the (mean) average age was 18.4 for the USA. So at 16 most won't have lost theirs. Plenty do at all ages for the OP - and as people will often mention on here, it's not that big a deal really - at least when you've done it :).
/r/seduction27/12/18 01:10 AM
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For me, if say 1 pence was left on a table, and they were deep in conversation walking away, I'd feel bad about interrupting them and probably wouldn't on the basis the interruption probably wouldn't justify the 'pay off' to them. ​ Another aspect to that is that while some girls may complain about "all the sleezebags hitting on me", I bet in reality they prefer the validation that brings over an alternative where say, even the sleezebags don't hit on them. ​ Of course, the real trick I suspect …
/r/seduction26/12/18 11:38 PM
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This is coming from the sort of suggestions I've read - I'm terrible at approaching whatever the situation generally. Imagine you'd seen her leave her phone on a table and walk off with her friends, would she want to be interrupted? What if it was a 10 note that fell out of her pocket? What about a large denomination coin? Maybe if it was a small coin and she was really engrossed in her conversation, she wouldn't care. ​ From all that - could you bring a lot more value into her life than having …
/r/seduction26/12/18 05:26 PM
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Normal advice; if you haven't, have a read to/listen of "No More Mr Nice Guy" to get an idea of where you may fall "on the spectrum".
/r/seduction26/12/18 12:22 AM
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Cheers - I've read that a lot saying the "it doesn't matter what you say" - I'm in a bit of a catch 22 - as a naturally shy guy I normally wimp out on most approaches, meaning I don't get the experience that would give me confidence to do them :).
/r/seduction25/12/18 09:51 PM
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First bit of conversation approaching a girl out in a club etc. Worded that way because people say "I use 'hi'"... but just walking up to people and saying "hi" with nothing further probably isn't going to get very far. Similarly, if there's a good situational comment "something they're doing, wearing, evnironment etc", where to go from there? (In the UK, which does make some difference it seems.)
/r/seduction25/12/18 04:33 PM
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There's a common factor with the people you dislike. It's not them. It sounds like you need to learn to be able to like yourself. ​ If a girl said she ran marathons and I hadn't (I've done one trail ultra as it goes, but otherwise nothing over 16k really), I'd think that was great and ask her about it - a great situation for a genuine compliment and learning more about her.
/r/seduction25/12/18 04:23 PM
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Which aspect do you find is embarrassing? If it's being a bit more forward in front of the whole group, you can always try and get an idea of what everyone's like with general questions to everyone, then find a situation where you can isolate your target and get a bit more flirty/close and hopefully use some of what you have learned to maybe flick some switches to paint yourself as the sort of person he would be interested in.
/r/seduction25/12/18 02:32 PM
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I presume there's going to be lots on for new year's eve where you are. Even if it needs tickets and they're sold out, you may well find people selling them that can't make it etc. ​ I've found some events I'm interested in for Boxing day in London, that may be an option for you where you are too. ​ How about find somewhere that should be good for New Year's Eve, then make a plan about what you're going to do then. You've got plenty of time to work out what you could do to make an incremental im…
/r/seduction24/12/18 04:25 PM
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Jealousy perfectly natural - nothing to beat yourself up over. MenPeople are naturally competitive, especially when it comes to finding a mate. So, if you can, instead use it as a drive to push yourself. What social activities can you get to over the next week or two where you can talk to some girls?
/r/seduction24/12/18 10:40 AM
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I won't disagree that modern life is often seriously over-hyped. Especially when it comes to results vs effort. We're sold the amazing dreams (instagram etc), but don't see much of the reality - the hundreds of takes to get the perfect shot, the hours of make up before hand or the years of practice to get the perfect dance move. And to be fair plenty in this area do "have it easy" and can do the "just be yourself" and attract women without a second thought. For most of the rest of I think it wou…
/r/seduction24/12/18 02:09 AM
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As I say, I'm not expecting results from that specifically, it happens to provide a useful tool at the same time. ​ The world has always been ' dysfunctional' for a good proportion of people. If you live in a 1st world country, you've got it pretty good still. ​ For me, I'm quite happy to approach life with an open mind. ​ One way a lot of the people that are confident at talking to women get that was is to do it a LOT. And actually - that's a pretty good strategy to find a partner regardless - …
/r/seduction24/12/18 12:54 AM
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Yes, absolutely. And, within my own bounds, I have been recently.
/r/seduction24/12/18 12:03 AM
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Yet plenty still do manage - the 21st century may offer 'choice overload', but it also offers 'choice overload' in information to learn about the world and improve ourselves and make the most of the world we live in. ​ I'm not expecting it's an avenue that will work for me, but I'm going to give Instagram a go next year. It's not really quite my 'demographic' I expect, but I never have "pictures of cool stuff in my life" easily to hand, so great when telling people about stuff I've done to have …
/r/seduction23/12/18 11:38 PM
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Yes indeed; however it seemed to me the OP was significantly trivialising the situation with the title and first paragraph - it's not the grand revelation the hopeful title promised ;).
/r/seduction23/12/18 10:38 PM
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Yes indeed - while I really need to do more tackling approach anxiety, there's plenty of aspects I have been working on generally. ​ Your post very much read to me "You already have the solution"... have 'good game'! ​ Edit: and for what it's worth, I've got decent enough self esteem, a long list of hobbies, interests and stories, acceptable general 'conversation skills'. But not 'good game' 🙂.
/r/seduction23/12/18 10:21 PM
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Having fun - I can do. Making people laugh - not very good for the most part. ​ Building attraction, then capitalising on any attraction I have built after that more of an issue. ​ ​
/r/seduction23/12/18 09:23 PM
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a fun time! Make her laugh... Tease her... Tell her cool stories... Well, if I could do those well, I would have 'something to offer' women 😉. ​ As you say - it's rare and evidence suggests I'm sub-par in my delivery.
/r/seduction23/12/18 04:50 PM
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I'm sure similar things have been posted on on your last thread. ​ She is your FRIEND. it's very natural for a male to get emotionally invested like this, but do appreciate it's not healthy for you. You could try 'channelling' the emotion into getting out and doing some awesome stuff. Also, interacting with/talking to other women. And at the same time not putting much time in with her. This way a) You'll be more attractive to women generally. b) You'll meet some other cool people. c) You'll be d…
/r/seduction22/12/18 11:42 AM
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Enough with the sugar-shaming. I have always been ridiculously bad at "seduction", yet didn't grow up in an internet culture (age, not location) and grew up with an overall very low-sugar diet. For what it's worth, my mum would regularly have a go at my for reading books too much when younger - there are plenty of distractions from 'the real world'. So my advice (to myself, also) would be - stop to trying to find excuses and got on with making life the best you can be!
/r/seduction22/12/18 10:40 AM
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You could try https://www.photofeeler.com/ and their blog.
/r/seduction21/12/18 12:14 PM
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Okay, I just had a look at your post history. I know you didn't get come here looking for advice in what to do, but I'll offer some anyway. And the exact same advice that would be offered to a man who was in your situation with a woman. First off - you are infatuated with this man who doesn't overly care about you. It would be called 'oneitis' around here and is very common. There are absolutely loads of great guys out there that won't treat you like that. The normal advice to men is "1. Be attr…
/r/seduction20/12/18 06:05 PM
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I don't know the history of the guy involved, but let's say that he's someone that has spent time learning to seduce women. Specifically, spent the time learning how make women attracted to him. That being the case, I'd be willing to bet if he hadn't learnt these techniques, you wouldn't want to be with him or feel you truly love him. Quite likely part of the attraction to you is that he's getting attention from other high-value women. It's a sad reality that works both ways, but makes a lot of …
/r/seduction20/12/18 05:49 PM
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Remember they are paid to be nice to you - to smile at you and pay attention to you. Which is why it's generally considered a bit of a faux pas to act like that - especially when you've made it clear you are just 'gaming', rather than at least offering the appearance of genuinely thinking one girl was so amazing that you wanted to get to know her more. You're putting them in a situation they can't easily extract themselves from.
/r/seduction20/12/18 05:38 PM
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and he has only ever talked to her a couple of times - I know they don't text each other. So, she didn't view him as a FRIEND. There's probably little harm in trying to change your game around - I'm mostly an expert at being in your position, not getting out of it. However, at a guess, I would maybe cut down contact a bit (as much as you can), ideally be seen with other girls, then if she does want to do something, make it something exciting that'll get her a emotive.
/r/seduction19/12/18 10:22 PM
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Afraid it's part of a paid site - markmanson.net - it's $6 pm for access if you do want to try it (or $4pm if you pay for a year I think). Overall, most of it so far is pretty self evident, as I've found his books too, but that doesn't mean it's not useful to have it layed out nicely!
/r/seduction19/12/18 09:01 AM
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Good work! Right now I'm listening to something explaining why the 'flooding technique' (going out and approaching every single woman you see) can be a rather inefficient strategy. And it suggests 'progressive desensitisation' is much better solution.
/r/seduction19/12/18 01:38 AM
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39 M - sure, "I'm an information sponge" :).
/r/seduction13/12/18 10:12 PM
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Nothing new about this at all. ​ Going a long way back in history. Going back to the late 90s - an ex of mine mentioned how at 14 her and her friends would get dolled up and go out to the popular pubs (18 in the UK). Separately, I always looked older than I was and managed to get into and get served in local pubs at 14. The difference with social media is that you might be more likely to go to Jail as there could be loads of people picturing you and sharing the images to social media without con…
/r/seduction13/12/18 10:59 AM
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If women want success in dating as men typically define "success in dating", then they have it very easy. ​ If men want success in dating as many women typically define "success in dating", then can they have it very easy. (Ie, finding someone you have a deep connection with, who's willing to treat you nicely for a long term relationship, but maybe not traditionally attractive at first sight.) ​ I'm not very good at 'being attractive' myself - but there's loads of evidence that it's a skill that…
/r/seduction11/12/18 02:41 PM
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When I first looked into the 'PUA scene' a bit over ten years ago, it seemed to be a lot more like this, despite claims you wouldn't end up being an a-hole, a lot did seem to.I personally knew people that made themselves into not very nice 'alpha' style people. It did "work", I should note; they got a lot more women than me, but it wasn't a price I'd want to pay. These days, it seems there's a lot more resources around that follow kinder principals.
/r/seduction07/12/18 02:23 PM
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Also, for a load of girls, you're too skinny. Or too fat. Or too masculine. Or too feminine. ​ I started losing my hair at 19 or so - that's a disadvantage. But there's still plenty of women that don't consider it a 'red line'. I'd say all the Asian men I know here in the UK (not a massive number) are considerably more successful than me as a 6' white guy. I'm naturally very shy, which doesn't help on that aspect. But we all have to put different amounts of work in to get where we want. Maybe yo…
/r/seduction07/12/18 02:17 PM
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Unfortunately for the most part it's well before that I mess up - the crippling approach anxiety means that it's rare I'm having conversations like that with random women. Which is another aspect that also needs to be 'changed'.
/r/seduction06/12/18 12:51 PM
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I've done all that - it's definitely not enough for everyone. I've got/had plenty of hobbies, interests and skills that should qualify and I've been passionate about (motorcycle club racing, rock climbing, fell running, mountain biking amongst a lot of others etc) that I could talk passionately about. ​ Unfortunately part of "myself" has also always been to underplay achievements. And not showing attraction or making moves to not be "yet another creep". ​ I've been reading Models Attract Women T…
/r/seduction05/12/18 10:28 PM
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Think most of this already covered, but ... Focusing on that specific goal is likely to come across as 'needy'. But it's still a good motivation to start making a real effort. (And this is the sort of advice I should be giving myself..)How about re-framing it as "This is something I want, so I am going to do everything I can to improve my interactions with women in this time and if I manage to improve, I'll have satisfied my goals". That way if you come back at the end of a day not having got la…
/r/seduction04/12/18 11:18 AM
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I was more meaning to make an effort to change who you are - rather than just putting on a fake persona. Though there is also the "fake it 'till you make it" thing, which seems to have worked for plenty of people. "Just be yourself" generally comes from people that do just fine as they are, I'd say. ​ If someone has never got the results they want being themselves, then carrying on to do that is very likely to be a bad idea! ​ I'm not one of them - "myself" for a long time is/was someone that wa…
/r/seduction04/12/18 12:00 AM
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If "yourself" isn't getting the interaction you want, then there's nothing wrong with changing that. ​ Of course, if you start more dynamic/exciting other girls might not like that. ​ For a solution to generally appearing more 'fun', both online and 'IRL', I'd love to know the answer too... I've just started looking to do some improv classes, which a lot of people recommend to get you into a better mindset.
/r/seduction03/12/18 10:04 PM
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If you can approach her confidently and not be worried if she says no, keeping on the same confident demure when you return - likely you'll give a good impression regardless of whether she says yes or no.
/r/seduction03/12/18 03:58 PM
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Yes, absolutely for me. And a big factor in a lot of my "failures" over the years I expect. I've suffered from '#metoo' reaction way before it was "a thing" - often made myself actually seem creepy by not showing attraction, for fear of looking creepy when showing attraction :). ​ While less of it applied to me than expected, the "No More Mr Nice Guy" book did open my eyes to some of the background behind my behaviour - parents that wanted to bring up a 'nice' kid always helping others who would…
/r/seduction01/12/18 05:58 PM
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There are absolutely loads of guys like you. Also some girls - though overall girls are more likely to have an easier time if they have fairly low standards. ​ Do you have a physical disability that prevents you working out? Do that if not. A "thin" build can still put plenty of muscle on. Try 'starting strength' or 'Stronglifts' You may find a local running club or similar is a great way to meet women that also don't consider themselves desirable. Most women can get any guys they want if they h…
/r/seduction01/12/18 10:23 AM
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IF you texted a dude that, I wouldn't think you were gay at all. Great way to describe it, I'll have to remember that next time I'm thinking about what I'm writing :).
/r/seduction01/12/18 09:43 AM
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I'm in that age range too. The age range I have set on dating sites is 27-42 I think (39M me). I'd probably set it a little younger, but know that would also receive negative judgement from others. Normally I'd look to younger than me, but my last girlfriend was older than me by a couple of years. I normally do go for a slimmer figure; but but I'm actually more of an outlier in that than the average. (And when I sort my OKC profile out, the first girl I'm messaging has a bit higher body fat (in …
/r/seduction30/11/18 06:07 PM
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I'm here because I suck at the 'pickup' bit - but I have been going to clubs pretty much sober recently. (Partly through driving - booze doesn't give me the confidence it does for others so doesn't bother me missing out so much.) Been finding I can still have a decent night regardless, despite being at generally 'rave' style clubs until 3/4am generally.
/r/seduction29/11/18 09:31 PM
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Thanks - so good bits there - went and watched some of her other videos too. ​ Baby steps for me as a very direct style definitely makes me super-anxious - I've had the perfect situation in what was about the hottest girl* in a small club dancing next to me, facing me who probably was into me AND had the perfect 'observation'/complement to comment about her enthusiastic dancing - and still wimped out until she got bored and left. ​ *That wasn't saying much for that night, alas.
/r/seduction24/11/18 12:42 PM
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I get the impression the answer you want is "yes". But I don't think it is, I'm afraid. Again - the answer is "some women found your pictures attractive". We can't really say more than that. ​ There's some good examples of 'before and after' pictures around, the first showing an over-weight and generally not so attractive person, then the 'after', shows a lot more toned body and often a more attractive face too... The photos of course are taken minutes apart. Does that mean the person is unattra…
/r/seduction21/11/18 08:11 AM
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Their site specifically says that people rate the pictures, rather than the person. And to prove it - I've well shown what their blog suggests - that if you have pictures taken outside you'll get voted more attractive by the people on their site and pictures taken with a dog, you'll be voted more attractive. https://imgur.com/T9qr0xl https://imgur.com/a/dqXwGEU :) ​ ​ Changing pictures to their higher rated ones (albeit not with many votes on each of mine) hasn't massively improved my response r…
/r/seduction20/11/18 10:44 PM
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i'm not looking for advice, guess i just needed to rant It sounds like you need some, however! I have no idea what the advice is - I suck at this myself! But no doubt there are ways to improve, which plenty of others have managed to do. ​ I've told myself recently "What I'm doing isn't working for what I want to achieve - I can't reasonably expect the rest of society to change to reflect how I want my life to work, so I need to change my life to work with the rest of society."
/r/seduction20/11/18 05:11 PM
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A friend seemed to get reasonable success with this - but I've also seen multiple women see his picture on social media and become infatuated from just that, which I suspect helps!
/r/seduction18/11/18 12:31 PM
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I've been watching some Hayley Quinn stuff recently as it generally resonates with me... She has specific videos aimed at girls too - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLUb3I1Xyiu04e8o3J4zaZkj5X1m9S5Uky ​
/r/seduction08/11/18 11:28 PM
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Get it into conversation that it's a date? ​ Depending on how you're going to play it, if you're looking to display some 'vulnerability', you could go for something along the lines of "Well, this will be my first date arranged online, so I'm a bit nervous!" ​ (Though; as per above - it's Tinder. She should be expecting it to be a date, even if just looking for something less.)
/r/seduction08/11/18 02:53 PM
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It wasn't intentional, but a few years ago a mate was meeting a girl for a first date. He asked if I'd go and a have a drink and game of pool with him before to calm his nerves a bit etc. He was pretty sure of her name. But that was the female equivalent of his name, which left him a little unsure if he wasn't just a bit confused about it. When she turned up, he greeted her, then offered to get her a drink. I waited with her while he was at the bar and asked her name, leaving when he got back. I…
/r/seduction06/11/18 05:24 PM
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To me the issue is more that gaming has a bad perception to much of the public. If I say "I like to race motorcycles" with a picture of me on a race track there will probably be even less of those 100 hot girls that associate with it. But it's associated with qualities some of them may be looking for. Of course; the other way around it may well be better for the girl to put gaming on their profile and possibly they may also put off some men, especially if she seems to be more competent a rider t…
/r/seduction04/11/18 12:44 PM
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A questions not answers - any suggestions for an un-practiced shy-guy to start conversations, especially when they've already shown some interest, but there's nothing obvious to talk about. (Ie a start if they're wearing something interesting, someone close by does something or a case where you can say, reasonably ask if they know who the DJ is, etc) (Also from the UK and occasionally go to DnB events, occasional raves etc.) ​
/r/seduction21/10/18 09:33 PM
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