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Amen. That energy is so weak.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 05:36 AM
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LoL this is one of the most agoraphobic Reddit takes I have ever laid eyes on.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 02:56 AM
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These tight age ranges have not been my experience of any means, or that of my peers.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 02:22 AM
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Women see us as in our dating prime from 28-40 give-or-take. Some will say it's all money-related but that's not all of it. Most people gain confidence from either success or surviving failure and that only increases attractiveness to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/25 10:15 PM
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Your ideal partner is probably unattainable in your 20s compared to 30, but you can still benefit from the experience of attempted dating in your 20s
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/25 07:48 PM
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Real talk, Is there something uncomfortable in the thought this feeling might not have a male equivalent?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 09:45 PM
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You can't be like Buffalo Bill?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 09:31 PM
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The feeling of what I experience as real sexiness is outsourced by definition as only female approval can trigger it. What women describe as sexiness in these instances I'm assuming is a certain kind of high self-esteem / reasonable assurance of above-average social approval. There may not be a male equivalent, but the public speaking thing is the closest thing. Some guys do feel it from a suit though, I can also recall.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 09:19 PM
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That sexy feeling I think you mean, like your general broad-strokes appeal is higher... I think it's gendered. Clothing doesn't quite get there. I've seen questions like it before and some guys get it after physical feats like a new bench PR or sports win. For some guys clothes does it. For me those things are cool but don't quite achieve this sexy vibe. Public speaking is like the only thing that really does it, unless it's a fail.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 08:33 PM
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The only equivalent to this type of "sexy" is after I've had some sort of public speaking that went OK. Maybe 20% of above after a fresh haircut.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 07:15 PM
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As a man who is basically hard-wired to make things look as easy as I can make them AND to not complain, I love me some me. But I very often find myself on the losing side of this dynamic. Not only in damn near every romantic relationship I've ever had but with platonic relationships with women and men too. My instincts are the opposite of the person who pulls their hair out, grits their teeth and all but says "look at me! I AM DOING STUFF and it is TAKING SO LONG".
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/25 06:48 AM
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There are basically two paths to attraction, cool and alpha. Cool=confident and secure without needing to be alpha.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/25 05:00 PM
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And these are the friends they met along the way?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 11:02 PM
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I still think so. Until finding subs like this 2 years ago I had no idea anybody cared about that since the 90s. Gen Z is bringing Puritanical stuff back so who knows now.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/25 08:35 PM
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"allegedly fell pregnant to White while he was behind bars"
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/25 12:18 AM
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Yeah I don't see lifelong monogamy as natural either, maybe a lifetime primary partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/25 05:52 PM
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Possibly. Outside of this sub, women put more pressure on themselves to make the relationship last than men in my experience. It makes the stat about women initiating more divorces even weirder. Although I know a women who filed for divorce, even though she prayed over her exH with holy water to try to stop his cheating.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/25 04:56 PM
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Most of society doesn't shame this behavior at all, unless your social circle is in a conservative church type of environment.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/25 04:49 PM
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>> Just because your relationship didn't last long-term doesn't mean the relationship was bad or a failure. Viscerally agree with this, but outside of this sub I know way more women than men who spout this rhetoric.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/25 04:46 PM
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It just dawned on me that it's far more acceptable for men to talk about fucking 50 chicks than to talk about trying to fuck 50 chicks and failing.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/25 02:42 PM
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Like the other post said, men don't get quite the ROI from looksmaxxing that women do.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/25 02:31 PM
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Hang around here, you'll hear it. "Only like a painting"... One of a few phenomena you only see here but not IRL
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 03:19 PM
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I want to see it too but different guys are redpill for different reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 03:21 AM
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Actual terrible men don't flaunt it in front of decent guys. You find out second-hand. I have never even overheard a "Who we givin a roofy tonight" conversation?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 05:44 PM
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"You are a good person if you do the thing that benefits me without expecting anything in return" is not just one of the dumbest definitions of what a good person is... Not really because any functioning society has this behavior to some degree, definitely any small community. There have always been people with principles and in many environments that side had cultural currency. People openly assuming the worst parts of themselves are the most authentic as internet culture does today is not comm…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 05:37 PM
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You said he was rice not nice 😉
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 12:44 AM
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If he was dirty rice or wild rice would things have popped off? You said he was too rice
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 11:49 PM
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If a man strikes when he has social proof, or learns signs of female horniness/loneliness he can be nice and finish all over the place.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 08:19 PM
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Wasn’t the problem that he was corn?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 08:16 PM
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I have periods of resentment. It takes a fair amount of either lifestyle luxuries or supportive encouragement to keep at the hamster wheel. But I would take it 100 times over and twice on Sunday as opposed to being dependent financially on the person I’m having sex with.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 08:15 PM
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In 1975 people didn’t have washing machines?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 08:10 PM
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Eventually you surpass this entire line of thinking. Trust me, it resonated at one time. And with all due respect I have doubts about that last line. I suspect it evens out for both genders, actually males probably get more as i assume gay men get more action than lesbians.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 04:49 PM
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I’m at the point where if I never received another female attention I’d be thankful for the women I got to “fornicate with” to quote Mike Tyson. If you’re struggling in your 20s like I was it’s hard to imagine but a lot of guys get to this point. And I would not want to click on Sophie Hall (or insert your type here) and NOT feel a blood rush. I would not want to go to a trendy gym and not be influenced at all by the scenery in my hormones. Seeing women flaunt it is its own reward. Most guys rea…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 04:03 PM
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I don’t believe very much in 80/20 but yes to social proof. When a guy acquires social proof in a particular setting his visibility can go from 5 to 85.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 01:49 AM
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Mmm… I don’t buy the analogy. Once you’ve had a certain amount of sex/relationship experience, thirst traps are their own reward. I’d hate to have lost the appetite for that at like 35.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 09:20 PM
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Even in direct questioning there is obfuscation. I remember girls being more direct about this before like the age of 22. “Watch what they do, not what they say” caught on for a reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 07:04 PM
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From my formative junior high and high school years I knew without a shadow of a doubt how much girls liked hot guys and it’s still apparent from interactions in 3D space. But there has always been a very vocal subset of women since the dawn of the Web saying how evolved women’s sexuality is, that it is about deep intrinsic character qualities like kindness and thoughtfulness and not superficial things like looks, surface-level charisma, height and other mere carnalities. Let’s not pretend this …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 01:10 PM
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Yep I had something like this, a best guy friend and a good female friend with a social circle. Works better in youth but one can be content with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 02:08 PM
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The difference is that’s frontal lobe not lizard brain.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 02:03 PM
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That would be no fun though, it would be like not being able to taste food.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 01:56 PM
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Most men have choices, especially when looking for their “life partner” as opposed to a fling. But due to the numbers game and human nature there will be some sub-strata of guys who have a functioning sex drive and mating drive but who have low charm, game or extroversion. Current social forces are pushing more men to THINK they’re in that category than who truly are, but also due to everyone having a megaphone online what you see in this sub is gonna exist somewhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 05:20 PM
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I agree with this in the initial stages, but >> Tthe effort it takes for women to change partners is so low College may be an exception, but most women become attached once they're attached so while this is true theoretically, most women don't want to up and leave a situation. The old Eddie Murphy routine about how a man can act up once he's made her cum a couple of times is pretty much valid.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/25 05:56 PM
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That’s hustling backwards. Preemptively challenging the pre-potential-conclusion comes across the same as gaslighting.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 02:41 PM
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There are environmental factors too, like relative wealth equality. A popular narrative of women owning their own sexuality, enough to overcome intrafemale slut-shaming also helps. Of course, highly confident men who are not possessive and don’t require women to be submissive.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 03:00 PM
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Consciously? No. There’s probably a change in demeanor depending on her perceived lust level towards me. Women are typically in the driver’s seat with regards to whether there will be just a hookup or not. I’m historically slow to make a move if there’s an actual friendship I don’t want to lose, and even slower these days.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 02:07 PM
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You can’t level the playing field for casual sex and satisfy people who have hangups on “body count”. One faction of guys will win or the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 06:26 PM
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This question is not relevant because risk-aversion and desire to fit into a group are big parts of male-female differences so your entire personality would change, let alone libido. That’s internal, then you have to consider the differing social messaging since childbirth. Gender identity is a lot more than just being hotter.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 05:16 PM
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I call myself purple by Reddit standards, but blue by non-online standards. Life never gave me the opportunity to be under the impression looks didn’t matter for women. I also don’t think it’s crazy for a guy to want to figure out how to have flings. But I am 98% against the trad ethos, or anything curtailing women’s rights. If you want a family, cool. Making some virtue or political statement out of it, weird.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/25 01:25 PM
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I’m upset that term was hijacked from its original use — referring to the emotions we put on at work, whether in office jobs, customer service, medical field, what-have-you. And also if we’re going to bastardize it, that it doesn’t include being the “emotional rock” expectations put upon most men in het relationships. There are equivalent fair or unfair expectations for women as well in relationships but I really wish “emotional labor” was confined to workplace stuff because it’s worth the atten…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/25 04:49 PM
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Nope... Well maybe like once a month. More if the fat is distributed gracefully. But I get what you're saying. That's why I said reverse socialization. Women don't go following guys around unless they're really high status or their ex they can't get over. They just flash a sexy smile or switch their hips if they're being "forward".
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/25 07:56 PM
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A man has bait too. This includes his looks but more importantly his social status, whether local or global. If his status is on-point, you’re correct. Where your analogy falls apart is a man’s appetite for a partner is often very high regardless of whether his bait is in order. This is Sisyphean. Whereas for many women the appetite diminishes to the point where many forget they set this trap a few months ago unless something reminds them to check it. On attention from unattractive women, you’d …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/25 07:03 PM
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Hahaha From what I remember some are attractive in a granola kind of way. I feel like they WOULD cuddle with fat greasy neckbeards provided they were asexual or fully at peace with their lack of attractiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/25 04:00 PM
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There are professional cuddlers in some big city areas where sex and nudity are allegedly not part of the deal.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/25 03:21 PM
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I'm sorry but guy sounds like a character. I knew somebody similar in eccentricity but in a different way, not close-friend material but I bet hearing him spout his theories would be entertaining.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/25 01:59 PM
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I’d add anecdotally there’s a substantial difference between “haven’t had an orgasm for a week” as opposed to inability to find a partner, especially before age 30. The former can drive behavior changes at least in the short term. I don’t know if that is as true for women, the difference between literally not rubbing one out in a while vs. not having a partner meet her requirements.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 08:56 PM
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This is pretty rare in my experience. I feel like I’ve only seen it in fundamentalist religious circles where people marry at like 21. Reformed drug dealers or musicians experience this too, maybe? Most guys come close to maxing out what he can attract in looks/status when they marry.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/25 04:15 PM
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I think it’s both. A lot of men hate the way their own sexuality works.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 04:17 PM
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Yes this idea is somewhat offensive. In my heart of hearts, I see men who buy into it as having an inferiority complex. Its roots are in misogyny, that desiring to be penetrated by a penis makes one inferior by nature. Utter bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 03:03 PM
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Messaging from parents varied wildly even in the 80s when I was growing up. Some people got what you did, myself and others got “don’t you ever get in trouble, even if you back away from a fight”.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 02:59 PM
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I don’t agree 100% but I continue to be surprised the fallout from Roe v Wade hasn’t been greater. I am embarrassed to be a citizen of the country that did that, more than any presidential election really. I would have expected women to go 4B over that and I wouldn’t blame them. If you could trace more of the gender-war shit from the women’s perspective directly I’d understand the animosity completely.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/25 02:26 PM
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I was trying to separate from politics/violence and think my point still stands. But ER having normie looks could be a part of it. Some woman could take an interest in a guy like that not knowing he’s allowed rejections to get to him to the point where his mind isn’t right.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/25 08:45 PM
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Just observation. I’m not married to any of these conclusions. Anecdotally I’ve had conversations with women concerned about passport bros, but then when reminded these guys weren’t doing so hot in dating here, they’re like “oh yeah right”, while that’s the first thing I think of. Also isn’t the female presence in places like these way higher than in places like foreveralonewomen or other subs that I assume have down-bad women venting? As you can tell I don’t have much curiosity or concern about…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/25 08:39 PM
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Even for women who don’t villainize men, for some reason they care more about what men who don’t appeal to them think than men care about what unappealing women think. I’m confining this to dating/sex/relationships, not even considering the world at large. This could be because a lot of men can go from invisible to an 8 via social proof alone but I don’t know.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/25 07:58 PM
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Yeah it was weird. I understand it more but it was still weird. I thought having all these women twerking on social media / for $4.99 meant we were winning the gender war. A few people had to explain to me that for a lot of young guys this was more showing them what they can't have. I still think it would've been utopia for 25yo me but can't be sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/25 07:07 PM
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Women don't understand the extent to which our minds are compartmentalized. Desire for sex, desire for a romantic relationship, for male platonic friendships, female platonic friendships are all in separate boxes. Hanging out with family does not in one iota address any desire for sex or romantic relationships. Not even a little bit. Or vice versa. I am damn near aromantic at this point, but I am still very capable of respecting FWB partners even if I will never want to pursue anything "further"…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/25 06:43 PM
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I'd say liberal feminist are 65/35 in favor of porn, or maybe this was circa 2016. The Onlyfans boom has made people of many ideologies batshit--except the very liberal feminists who are basically still sex-positive and avoid the "brain matures at 25" extrapolated conclustions.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/25 06:22 PM
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Speaking in general, not quite. Inner confidence, security and poise are attractive. I’ve noticed women who aren’t my typical physical type who displayed these. Women look for leadership qualities so they’re often drawn to arrogance until and unless they fine-tune their antennae. I differ from some guys in that I’m sometimes drawn to arrogance but only if I find the woman extremely physically attractive. Otherwise it’s a quick turnoff.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/25 01:34 PM
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I agree but it’s not just that. If you’ve ever overheard a group of girls/women aged 14-27 talking about their ideal, like 0.05% can live up to it. Professional vocal beautiful women on social media still talk like this. Most men and women have an idea of perfect and also an idea of what the upper end of realistic is. To say you’re shooting within reason is considered disrespectful to people within your league (FLBT) though.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 05:23 PM
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Because these extremely fine women with 12 million followers, 3000 proposals of marriage and 3000 encouraging women on every post will often feel the need to address these negative comments for reasons beyond my understanding.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 07:31 AM
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Notlikeothergirls energy. But also on social media, a lot of these fine women respond to the negative comments, so if a guy just wants ANY kind of attention from the genetically blessed…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 07:27 AM
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In the not-too-distant past men were expected to be more principled in these things, and women prone to motivated reasoning. Wild how this is flipping with younger folks.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 03:43 PM
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Probably. Unless they only did it with morningwood which is kind of an exception lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 02:48 PM
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The mental gymnastics around getting an erection in many cases, the places I have to send my mind usually for 5-60 seconds until getting hard then being fully present. The fantasies themselves wouldn’t be shocking, but the need to space out I don’t mention ever.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 11:47 AM
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Sometimes there are no expectations at all and the real answer is “just conversation for tonight and I’ll decide in the morning” but the RIGHT answer is still “long term something something”
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 11:23 AM
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This makes sense. Sounds like a classic male-female misunderstanding where the guy is talking theoretically about life in general, where if there are women present she thinks he’s trying to take her down a peg.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/25 04:59 PM
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Vice-versa (I'm saying 79th is lower, 11th is higher) but I'm basing it off observed couplings who I assume have had a meaningful time period of NRE sex. For the lower-ranking guys it could take longer for the numbers game to work itself out but they seem to be making it work somehow.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/25 06:48 PM
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I see men of all these ilks coupled with cute women. Okay maybe 79th percentile. Standing on the 11th percentile claim. Starting from that point, you don't get much spontaneous female attention. From that point it's all about following the Tao of Steve or something similar.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/25 03:51 PM
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I find women's taste in men to be more "all over the place" than men's taste in women. If you're an 11th to 89th percentile man, I'm not sure it's useful information to know where you stand. You're not getting anywhere unless you initiate or you have social status whether situational or global. At this point, like 10% of women will be attracted but it's completely random. Awareness of when you have situational social status is far more important than knowing your general LMS status.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/25 10:45 PM
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This must be true, but they go about it differently. From first and second person information, orders of magnitude less breadcrumbing.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/25 08:37 PM
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There is a vast difference with women over about 27-30 vs under. For younger women it was almost meaningless. For older, they're not wasting energy giving attention just for the lolz.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/25 08:21 PM
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Wish I could agree with you but gender-war adjacent themes pop up in plenty of situations, like the lexicon has snuck into normal society.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/25 04:08 PM
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It’s not “people”. It’s specific subsets of people. 35-40% of the electorate are faithful dems who clearly don’t vote with this in mind because the dem party doesn’t roll like that, for better or worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/25 04:04 PM
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It’s very open to fascist propaganda now, and we didn’t see that coming 15 years ago. Anything is possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/25 04:03 PM
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I was telling somebody the gender war feels like a psyop. It’s more clear how it’s being stoked.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/25 03:58 PM
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Honestly, if that's your POV you should do it. You'll have a really high rejection rate, but those rejections won't take time away from you. Eventually due to the numbers game you'll find someone to go along with your plan.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/25 09:13 PM
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There is a middle way lol
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/25 05:31 AM
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I can see this being reasonable in many cases. It’s on par with asking women to take birth control. Making these sort of requests in service of a good sex life is OK. Of course there are some cases where it’s abuse but on the whole I’m OK with it. Caveat that I’m of the age where a pill is damn near necessary if things are gonna happen after food/drinks.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/25 12:26 AM
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Yeah actual Chads are so rare as to not fuck things up nearly as much as the prevailing wisdom here would have you believe.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/25 03:49 AM
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The west indies and west Africa would like a word...
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 05:52 PM
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Most guys compartmentalize. Dudes have been consuming porn and thirst traps since they were 12, and still want relationships in most cases.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 05:51 PM
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A line of new women waiting, no. Exes who call up after their recent breakup, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 08:33 PM
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This has to be a small percentage of betabucks situations. When I think of those I picture the guy as more of a late bloomer, not a couple where you can tell on sight the woman is settling.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 02:07 PM
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Lots of people aggressively ignore that data. It’s amazing.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 04:46 AM
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I'm convinced your algorithm and even real-life experience can lead you to both of these places.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/25 07:18 PM
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If you’re a person who likes order, functions well with boundaries/rules and a heterosexual man it’s inevitable that you’ll feel like this on some days. In good faith everyone knows this is not true but the rules under which attraction is positive are not and may not ever be spelled out clearly.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/25 07:10 PM
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Title made me think of the “Delivert” video I WILL. Love. A Women…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/25 05:28 PM
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Sort of. It happened like the minute I turned 30. Something clearly changed where my looksmatches started to be attracted to me, huge difference between 25 and 30 for me. They could’ve wanted STR or LTR, not desperately seeing husbands. Was I “drowning in it”? Not nearly as much as I could have. Life had humbled me quite a bit financially and I was primarily looking to recover, and mayyybe find an LTR. Looking back I must have carried the affect of confidence due to this. I was basically forced …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 01:08 AM
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That liquid courage can warm you up true
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 04:28 PM
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Talking to a woman at a bar being called “warm approach” never made sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 02:22 PM
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If you're in demand they don't always. They might try to compete. Which is good for the ego and maybe the libido but not for any other part of your life long-term.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/25 07:52 AM
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That can totally be a kind of drama, especially if a man involved has NPD, sheeeeiiiiiit.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 08:15 PM
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Not a complete answer, but for some reason whether consciously or subconsciously, young guys are asking themselves if dating is truly worth it if they are a sub-5. 20 years ago it was given most guys would keep at it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 03:30 AM
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The point still stands for the most part… sorta. I think there’s average women can show up at bar alone and is guaranteed to get a gentlemanly kind of approach. It happens to basically every woman I see alone at a bar.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 03:27 AM
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By highly discounted, meaning entertainment between dates or Ladies Night kind of stuff… and also the caveat—if she so chose—the guys she’d have to deal with are less savory and most average women don’t want to deal with those guys so she’d have a leg up. If all average women decided to be quasi-sugar babies yeah the market would be flooded.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 03:25 AM
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From what I hear online, 500 catcalls and 3000 dick pics per day… from what I observe walking about, not very much at all, but maybe the dick pics are real. I think there’s at least a 5-year stretch where the average woman could live her life at a highly discounted rate if she chose. There would be a trade off of dealing with men at not-their-most-gentlemanly to some degree.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 02:18 AM
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The question only referenced quantity
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 02:10 AM
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Forced mingling with normies shortened the period of struggle in almost all cases. This as opposed to stewing in virtual rooms with other strugglers. Hence the “not easy to be radicalized” phrase you overlooked.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 02:55 PM
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So that’s what you took from that. Okayyyyy
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 10:44 AM
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I know very many who had a strugglebus period but that was pre-algorithm. Most had to rub elbows with normies and it was not easy to be radicalized.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 03:08 AM
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I don’t think men are natural pursuers at all, we’re just more horny for strangers.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 12:54 AM
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Damn. Some guys couldn’t but some guys actually could move past their inadequacies and more for this. Shit I need a drink
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 10:50 PM
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“Fishers of men” —- sus if you think about it?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 09:39 PM
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Jesus Christ teaches us to fishmaxx
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 08:44 PM
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If you fishmaxx enough you can be a fishmonger.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 08:38 PM
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It's a small minority. I've had black friends, well one in particular, who liked white women--as in not only the kind of women brothas tend to be into, but girl-next-door types. He didn't have an easy time.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 03:36 AM
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It's somewhere because boards like this have had these sentiments for the last 25 years, more or less. 25 years ago there were guys taken aback that being stable and having a "good job" should be the end-all and be-all, that looks or game shouldn't matter. I can relate to having a hard time dating especially back then, but cannot relate to ever being deceived that looks/game shouldn't matter, only to lacking game back then... but this stuff has been in the air for a loooong time in some settings…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 08:39 PM
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Totally makes sense, but we got into this mess because "a decent man waits 90 days before going for a kiss, so she can feel comfortable around him...", it's using the language of morality around the whole thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 02:04 AM
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Mmm… Internalizing both can very easily be taken to mean that a conversation with somebody you want to escalate with is the same as talking to the guy (or person it never crossed your mind to pursue) next to you at the bar about the Giants game.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 06:36 PM
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Different families of admonishments: “Just be yourself/be confident bro” “Just talk to women like people” “You’re not being masculine enough” “Status doesn’t matter”* *not saying status as in fame, klout or flashiness but situational social status is almost all that matters for in-person meets. You hear not only women but men over 40 saying this stuff and I’m like what??? This sub’s cautionary tales are from dudes who take this type of advice at face value.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 05:31 PM
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Socializing in general is good advice as the ability to go from platonic discussion to acceptable flirting is like a muscle that has to be kept in shape or you lose it. That is not the advice I’m talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 04:21 PM
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There is something else to it. As an old fart, a woman who I thought was extremely fine 25 years ago and has aged well—but clearly aged nonetheless >> an objectively beautiful 25 year old with a perfectly flat stomach.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 04:08 PM
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Yeah it’s why the more vocal men and women here aren’t typical of people in the wild. The positive or entertaining value of this place is to expose how terrible or gaslighty most dating advice is.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 03:46 PM
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Sexual compatibility is really important. Both for freakiness level and what really lights the fire for both people. I couldn’t endure a BAD relationship for great sex, but mediocre maybe.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 06:33 AM
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I see it as a subtle but real difference. I agree with the spirit of this and the comment it responds to.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/25 07:44 PM
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I could see that line working. High-risk high-reward manuever.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 02:04 AM
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In this case, studies show that women focus on the women's faces when they watch porn too. I know, as straight guys we can't imagine being wired like that, so porn is catering to both gazes, intentionally or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 09:36 PM
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Coping is healthy until you have a tell a lie to yourself. Admitting to being a MSTOW is healthy. Sour grapes is not
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 09:05 PM
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Once you get past the avid thirst-trapper / professional hot girl class, there is a lot of overlap. NRE sex is typically hot sweaty and freaky.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/25 12:53 AM
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If I don’t it’s either an extremely good day spent with family, or an extremely bad day. But the other 99%, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 03:41 AM
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Not often but probably. There are women considered 9.5-10s in general but are 7s to me. Sure a lot of guys could say the same. If a woman is a 9-10 to my tastes, unless the sex is absolutely horrible or she’s killing dogs or something she’s getting at least a second request.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/25 07:23 AM
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On one point, yes it’s US-focused, due to the political situation. But you have an argument even here. Outside of politics it’s more accurate to say even our nation is shearing. My impression is that even in most Western countries both the groups of “people using this info to better relate…” AND groups of reactionaries openly spouting their -isms, -phobias and medical disinformation have increased. Unfortunately in the US the latter is ahead politically but I’m aware and thankful that’s not the …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/25 04:25 PM
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That is a hell of a sentence man
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 08:03 PM
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Doesn't just apply to gender. Society is decaying because we all know now what different demographics say behind our backs. The additional benefit is that we are now better at offending and triggering each other. A few people use this info to better relate to other groups of people but they're the minority.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 07:56 PM
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In most urban areas of the US, women in their 40s and 50s are increasing their efforts. In my OLD stacks, women in their late 30s and early 40s have looked better than 25s for the last 7-8 years
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/25 05:43 PM
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I now have the impression pure libido as in desire to orgasm is higher in men than women but not by much, like 60/40 Where it really comes into play is the desire for new partners where the area of the male brain that scans for new partners is like three times the size of women’s.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/25 03:40 PM
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Not only young straight white men, but large groups around the world have proven they will fight against utopia or something close to it. Enough of the population would rather go to war, subscribe to weird religious philosophies or nationalism than “be sedated”. Many are more motivated by seeing those from another demographic’s lives worse than seeing theirs improve. Flaw in the system. Yes and I do feel like you have to really dedicated to your pill shit even as a guy to avoid women for a lifet…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 06:20 PM
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As a guy who really and truly don’t know if he’d have dated if the thirst traps and porn were available 25 years ago that we have now, this sounds utopian. But a few things work against this: People are fighting against utopia right now out of sheer boredom, or society working too well. For a lot of humans it isn’t enough to have a rising standard of living. They have an emotional need to outcompete other people. Most on this sub would argue there are plenty of women who have all the sexual opti…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 04:42 PM
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Yes, multiple times but creepy and “weirded out” isn’t the best way to put it. Catcalled in an office environment by some female janitors in a way I wouldn’t have minded in a Saturday nightclub but at my white-collar job in front of all “the people” in a busy corridor? Most others involve sloppy drunkness. Most recently I hopped on an elevator in Vegas and while on the phone a group of very pretty women start inquiring about my status in extremely rapid fire. If the rate of interrogation was eve…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 02:08 PM
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I agree with those below, they don’t. Actual hotttt-girl privilege goes beyond access to sex with hot men. It impacts lifestyle altogether, damn near a currency.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 05:24 PM
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It makes sense to pull the brakes on dating someone if you’re not getting the “Chad” treatment as described.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 02:30 PM
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Yeah shout out to Joe wherever he landed lol
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/25 01:55 AM
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In most situations where I can think of a guy truly going above his league were in college or before. Most guys of age weren’t in the “I’ll take whatever comes” mindset in those years. We are naive, optimistic and innocent then lol. Also most men get attention from women in situations where they have social proof. Usually this means they have options. With the way most women’s attraction works, I truly believe y’all don’t often catch guys at the “whatever I can get” stage since most of us are NP…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/25 11:11 PM
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This guy was new to the circle--there were always new people to this circle with 5-6 core members of which I found myself for a couple years. This was also when such circles weren't all that hard to find if you were a young professional moving to that city. He didn't have super-strong relationships with of any of the other guys in that circle and the Askee was sort of the queen bee of the circus.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/25 09:41 PM
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So the askee in that group was about 24-25. She was a competent adult in many ways, very beautiful but when it came to dating stuff she acted about 7-8 years lower than her age. I noticed it first when I was interested, but in a 1:1 meetup she came across as way too innocent and virginal for me. I played it off like it wasn't a date--I honestly do not know if she thought of it as a date--and we just stayed friends. When this other guy made his intentions known more clearly, we just heard about i…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/25 09:07 PM
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In college I know a few guys who were ostracized for trying to date a woman above his league. The most clearcut example of a guy being cast out from a friend group happened when I was 27-28. He was peripheral to me but I recall feeling sorry for him. For me, the most true answer to this would be my first marriage. But sticking to rejectionish stuff, looking back I was always good about not approaching women in social circles I wanted to preserve, and definitely not women from my workplaces. So i…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/25 08:43 PM
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It's that leap from "conservative leaning" to Trumpists. I have a hard time seeing anyone as confident if they made that jump--defining "conversative leaning" in pre-2014 terms. Doesn't go just for Trumpism, but damn near any of the movements seeking to rescue traditional masculinity. "You must respect my masculin-it-TIE" is a mindset that makes me wish I had the proper words to rescue people from it. The Steph Curry/Joe Montana/Magic/Denzel/James Bond kind of auras make me think of confidence. …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/25 09:06 PM
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Serious question: how does Trumpism come off as confident? To me it comes off as fearful, even if it's fear with a gun in its hand.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/25 08:38 PM
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Made me change my flair lol
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 06:57 PM
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It feels like extra. You could say the line between a thoughtful gesture for someone you love and romance is blurry.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 02:25 AM
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With high sexual compatibility and strong friendship, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 10:23 PM
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Birth rates are falling even in poor rural countries
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 04:08 PM
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I have known both kinds of women, more that do maintain feelings than not. This OP feels like big lie propaganda.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/25 09:53 PM
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The term “nice guy” came about in opposition to player/ladies man/womanizer.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/25 09:51 PM
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OK but I have no clue why this narrative is gendered. It goes both ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 10:06 PM
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Agreement with your POV
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/25 04:35 PM
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"I don’t associate with “know my value” people though. They take life way too seriously, their rules and views on everything are incompatible with how I live." Yes. This needs to be its own meme. Literal LOL.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/25 04:30 PM
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No, and I've only run into this expectation once. I don't know the woman in the video and will not be researching her, but I get the vibe that she didn't always believe her own BS or if she did even at the time of the video. Troll energy.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/25 04:16 PM
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Even at 8-9 years old with very low sexual awakening, I knew who the prettiest girls were and who the "coolest" guys were and where I stood in the hierarchies.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/25 03:59 PM
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I was born in 1977. Serious question: did yall have the “ladies man” who got loads of women? This guy could have been a pretty boy but always smooth with his lines and with his personal style? Or did that just go away in that 15-year period? In my youth the jocks and bullies ate for sure but this guy lived at the buffet.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/25 03:12 PM
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Interesting, I’ve been under the impression most women would be very unhappy being #3 on the depth chart and would easily downgrade to be a guy’s #1 after a short time.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/25 11:14 PM
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>> “Be confident” vs “build confidence” is just arguing semantics. I can agree to disagree. I don't buy that confidence is intentionally built. I think it's through positive feedback from other people or life randomly knocking you around in most cases.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/25 07:29 PM
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I can respect that. If I was unfortunate-looking that's what I'd be doing, without bitterness.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/25 05:23 PM
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>> It’s built the same way strength is, through repeated effort and resilience. Yes, this analogy works. That's why you can't just "be confident". If there was a confidence gym that's where you would send the seeker. As an aside, whenever I've increased confidence it's because I had recently been through some BS that I did not ask for, but ultimately I gave less fucks to give as a result. Like I was a chick-magnet after my dad died, weird stuff like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/25 05:20 PM
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Per my flair, it was expected to play the numbers game--in public--back in my day. There was no OLD, and you could even see that "Chad" struck out his fair share. There were guys like your friend in every circle who were aggressively immune to rejection, and often they'd date hot women due to the stopped-clock rule. But for a U30 guy given to introspection with zillions of entertainment options, OLD and IG I can understand why he would just nope out of the process.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/25 04:52 PM
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It's a punching bag because it's illogical. Confidence is a by-product of some other life experience or feedback. You might as well say "just be stronger".
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/25 04:47 PM
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Two things are true: The numbers game works. It is kind of degrading if you are a man given to introspection.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/25 04:18 PM
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That is a profound question in its own way.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/25 01:18 PM
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Cherry picking per usual PPD. Your last sentence and my first sentence are the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/25 12:22 AM
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The assumed moral superiority of women is based on this, lack of evil deeds as opposed to the presence of good or heroic deeds. Point is, all genders and cultures basically do this.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/25 10:31 PM
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Any claims made about women they will deny just because them selves don't do it even if you present evidence of women doing said actions. -- Yeah and those on here are more agoraphobic, socially anxious and asexual than average, that's my hypothesis. I guess thats debatable on what are we considering average?but there's plenty of data sets out their showing who's getting laid or not. -- More eye-test stuff. Feels like the same amount of couplings and first dates are happening around me as 2013. …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/25 05:03 PM
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PPD is entertaining for what it is, but most people here are outliers commenting on different types of outliers. I was in a back-and-forth with a woman on here who denied that women ever seek male attention for an ego boost. Of course you also have rhetoric about how the “average man” hasn’t been laid since 2015 or truly lusted after by any woman this century.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/25 02:52 PM
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Until my kid 20s I found no-and I mean NO correlation between flirtation levels and whether a woman was actually sexually attracted to me. After 30, that correlation was very strong. Women don’t really flirt for shits and giggles after a certain age, and when they do their committed status is obvious early on in the convo.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/25 05:08 PM
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It doesn’t. In the 2000s everybody knew it was just a girl’s way of rejecting you but you were in the same social circles. The internet started taking that term literally in like 2015
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/25 02:10 AM
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I'm literally going by what some women have said. Before OLD it wasn't rare to hear women say this about going to bars, just to get a pick-me-up from male attention. You hear high-follower IG women talking about posting pics when they need a boost. It's not a sin.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 10:46 PM
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That experiment windmill commissioned here a while back proved the majority of guys act civil on OLD, if getting well behaved guys to match with no intention to meet is the only goal there's no issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 08:37 PM
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That or get the ego boost they were seeking.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 08:23 PM
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The argument will be that women using it for that hop on and pop right off like antimatter.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 07:52 PM
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In like the 70s “you people” was an extremely common way to refer to black folks in derogatory ways without saying a slur. But I’m sure you kinda knew that.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 06:02 PM
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Count matters little to me but given complete freedom I could still make a woman a "primary" who is fun in bed, fun to be around and gets along well with my family and friends. Even if it's not exclusive, it would be some manner of spelled-out arrangement. No-just-no on any Handmaid's Tale scenarios. It's questionable to me if sex is even worth it if a woman doesn't have a certain level of agency.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 01:39 AM
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Sure, as long as she signs the Massey prenup which has never been penetrated
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/25 10:14 PM
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I also did not receive this memo.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/25 02:11 AM
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That weapon is jamming up
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/25 12:59 AM
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Dread game in moderation is not terrible
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/25 05:55 PM
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Dread
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/25 09:45 PM
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Yeah if a woman is going to the point of making you push her off, she’s far gone enough to press a false DV charge.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/25 06:48 PM
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I’m way older than you but this resonates. The thirst imbalance between men and women is way less before age 22-23 than after. “Men naming women gatekeepers of sex” — not sure about that. I think folks of all stripes, genders and power levels have conspired in this, knowingly or not. Also with “dick is ick”, I was just discussing this the other day, most folks of all political stripes buy into this, but since I don’t perceive my dick as ick, there must be at least a subset of other dicks that ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 09:08 PM
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OK that second video miiiight have been genuine, but I assume 99.99% of “where have the men gone” content is just bait for men to complain about how women told us to leave them alone. For most U50 women, sure they need validation, but if they really want it they get it instantaneously, so they’re usually unbothered.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/25 12:23 AM
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Entertaining though
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/25 12:16 AM
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If they’re making ragebait videos they know they could get their validation needs fulfilled in the time that rant took just by putting a thirst trap out there. With hot women they do have needs for male validation, but they can get those met lightning-fast. So on the moment you come across them they are typically content and unbothered. I have off-hand made the first (innocuous) comment on a high-end thirst-trappers post and was surprised to get a like or genuine response, so the gap does exist …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/25 12:09 AM
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Good points
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 01:23 PM
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The thing is even stuff in your fourth paragraph might be bullshit. For 75% of those if I’m actually in that mindset (desperately needing connection) I’m more likely to meet a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 11:51 PM
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Post-truth era baby!!
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 10:30 PM
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It would be endearing, the opposite of trying to come off as unbothered as possible. Trying to think of how this could be a negative, if this was a mask for a serious personality disorder that wouldn't be great, but just practice in not being awkward or broadening her conversation topics? Only positive.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 09:06 PM
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This is unpopular but I’m totally unclear on why apps are worse than the dating environment circa 2002, having a working memory of both. It feels like people think settings where a guy had to gin up his “liquid courage” were somehow better, for men or women. Sticking to only known social circles had pitfalls too, where if a guy was rejected by the wrong woman he faced ostracism, or if a woman got with the wrong guy her reputation suffered.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 07:47 PM
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Curious, what’s your theory on why apps became popular in the first place?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 07:40 PM
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Not sure about this. In most social settings where mutual respect is established, people have strong opinions on this stuff. They just don’t let the disagreement get heated or won’t kill the vibe over it, but plenty of banter.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 12:36 AM
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Obviously I have a lurid interest in this stuff but not much of the discussion here applies to dating after 40, after divorce, or where it’s generally accepted large portions of the dating pool have children. I still believe young men are gaslit as to what to expect in dating, from many sides for many reasons, and that is not great. But much of the population is deep into a committed relationship and the issues they face day-to-day (the issues I faced day-to-day) just don’t have much overlap wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/25 09:44 PM
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I’m old but I remember my friends and I having these kind of relationships, realizing we were too grown for that and then marrying some other woman in the next 2 years after the breakup.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/25 04:23 PM
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Yeah it’s moral panic stuff
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 07:22 PM
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Can’t relate. My lack of a belief in hell is one thing I’m truly grateful for and it’s getting stronger every day.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 07:22 PM
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You don’t sound like the devils advocate
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 07:20 PM
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Profound.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 01:10 AM
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Lol this is suboptimal for all parties but happens often
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 03:55 PM
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I don’t know I have to betray my gender and say yes. Not at my current age but mid-20s? Absolutely. I can recall guys with college football physiques lamenting women dating “hurt looking dudes” on several occasions. But more than looks—economics? That’s the entire basis of AF/BB that women who could have nice stable guys but go for broke guys with “masculine” traits.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/25 01:39 PM
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Weren’t you the one who commissioned an experiment where it was apparent how many safe sane decent looking respectful male options are out there? Then you agreed but said they likely don’t provide “spark”? I think most women who want a relationship can get a decent guy in short order. The only way this doesn’t hold up for men is that we have to do the upfront leg work.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/25 06:39 PM
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Aside from wanting kids, NRE sex is usually better than sex under any other circumstance, save maybe an FWB but that is usually a pretty unstable situation in the mid to long term. You could perhaps achieve the latter dynamic with an escort if you’re a regular but that is expensive. I don’t know about you but most guys on here don’t just want the sex. They want to feel like they’ve been chosen over other men and/or the social status and ego boost that comes with being in a relationship with an a…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/25 03:12 PM
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Peak physical shape... Well peak is extreme, no need to go full bodybuilder but if you're on the right path it will be apparent sooner rather than later. Increase risk-taking behavior. Work with whatever risks come naturally from public speaking to extreme sports to weird spiritual or religious beliefs to drug dealing. Willingness to stand out in any fashion will attract some hot women. Sudden visceral changes in wardrobe that aren't extremely distasteful.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/25 08:23 PM
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>> And they can tell when they’re not being wanted, they’re being utilized. << To put myself on the wrong side of everybody, in my experience when women are looking for a "new type" of man for whatever reason, they don't give out begrudging chaste ration-the-pussy energy. They're pretty enthusiastic. I'm not saying I haven't heard of cases of born-again virgins but it feels like the minority of women who switch type.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/25 06:48 PM
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The jump from men liking porn to men being violent has always felt like a bully lie to me. Only skimmed the article but not surprising at all if porn depicting men dominating women turns women on at a higher rate than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/25 03:14 PM
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The shame for succeeding at it isn't real
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/25 07:07 PM
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Black women respond with the nod a lot more, younger ones not as much but not enough to make me put effort into avoiding eye contact. I’m black for ref. Most people regardless of race and gender my age and older do the nod/courtesy smile.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 10:35 PM
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The only real way I actively avoid is this: based on upbringing I try to make contact with a lot of strangers in passing and give me short smile or nod. Whether it’s returned or not, no big deal. But I’ve stopped doing this with non-black women under 35 since about 2019 based on online and in person observations — in person they pretty much actively avoid eye contact at all times.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 07:21 PM
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I may not fit the question, but a few other guys are saying this: you don’t have to go out of your way to do these behaviors. 1 and 2 are just easy by going through life. 1 - I have to be biologically desperate or extreeeemely attracted to approach a woman, so it just happens like once or twice a year. 2 - I don’t see women needing help often and if so, somebody else is more than eager. I wouldn’t say avoidance but I’m not the “jump to it” guy. 3 - it’s more like avoiding getting caught which is…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 07:07 PM
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The people I would think of as silent MGTOW don't give a shit about much of anything -- not an endorsement or condemnation of that POV
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 08:56 PM
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I think there's a significant silent MGTOW quotient who don't complain much at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 08:11 PM
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Had me at the first half ngl but... Disgust? Really? Agreed there is no bonding narrative that women seem to have, it's not that deep... A phrase that actually describes the default state of male-male relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 08:08 PM
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Based
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 11:23 PM
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Can’t speak to what you’ve heard but in my experience nope never. The only unrepentant person like this I’ve been close to is literally dead (from destitution) because we basically disowned him unless he changed his attitude.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 05:17 PM
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Most guys have never been in these situations. Rape is nowhere near a socially acceptable thing to brag about even in all-male circles.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 04:13 PM
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Based on looks I think only the top 5-10% get the kind of constant female encouragement to never drop out of dating. Even if you’re 20%-25% it’s possible to not see women as ever interested in you sexually until you stumble upon a particular social space. Some guys stay in social orbits and have a constant dating life looks be damned. That’s like another top 5-10%, naturally good at dating, akin to naturally good at dancing.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 12:38 PM
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I can see dating going the way of dancing. Back when most men and women knew how to dance. Now it’s left to people who reallly know how to dance and women in general. Embarrassment at being bad at it came to outweigh the benefits for most people, eventually even those of us with enhanced melanin. Dating going a similar way as it feels like something women are better at, so only men who feel like they’re really good at it will participate. The apps drying up wasn’t something I thought would happe…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 12:34 AM
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I think Kinsey found it is to some extent but a lot of it is actual biological differences in fluidity.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/25 12:38 AM
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I’ve been on the Feeld app, 1000% on there. Even then I’m looking for a FWB not ONS. Things just ended with a long-term FWB who I was totally upfront with but decided she couldn’t keep hooking up because she wanted more. On “relationship goals intentionally vague”, that phrasing has been my actual mindset 90% of the time I’ve been single since age 18… but not when I know for a fact we’re incompatible. Honestly if I’m having a conversation with a woman and saying that there is a non-laughable cha…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 01:21 PM
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Having high standards / narrow window is overrated
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 05:14 AM
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No no no. If it doesn’t describe 100% of situations completely accurately, it’s a deceptive malicious lie because people are not monoliths /s
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/25 04:48 PM
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The women I see online talking like this are in high demand and actually have a zillion options and often a million simps. It’s already not about lust or maybe even love but what they can get out of guys, materially or ego-boosting. Most other women are fairly active toward their desired targets, aside from paying on the first date.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/25 03:00 PM
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Yeah but if a man has actually been told directly about his shortcomings compared to an ex, there are bigger issues like respect.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/25 05:34 PM
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OK to disagree but I don’t feel like casual sex is as normalized now as it was 20 years ago. Now thirst-trapping, and twerking and ass pics online are ubiquitous. It creates a different cultural impact than actual PIV casual sex being normalized. Young people hardly check each other out in public now compared to “my day” and most sources I know, not just this one, say OLD is drying up compared to 2015.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/25 04:14 PM
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I’m Xennial and under the impression Millenials and especially Gen Z have less sex than we did, along with being more risk-averse in every perceivable way.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/25 01:56 PM
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Perhaps. Maybe in my circles it didn’t seem like the pressure was more. Spending time in the South yeah it was different but on the coasts/rust belt cities… folks in those circles were marrying at 30-35. Remember “urban tribes”? That was a 2005 term right? Guess I also recall the more right-leaning folks in the 2001 equivalent of this sub complaining about the exact same stuff like feminism ruining women that didn’t resonate with me then either.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/25 01:18 PM
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As someone officially close to 50, these “in the past” takes are wild on here. Womens’ options felt the same 25-30 years ago. In a significant way (Roe), they were even more free.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/25 12:50 PM
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Getting used to the fact women could cease contact at any time, any place with no explanation was like a rite of passage in our 20s. Helped with developing a thick skin and having actions not be outcome-based. I was genuinely surprised to see women complaining about being ghosted in my late 30s. People complaining about being ghosted comes off as emotionally immature.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/25 12:46 PM
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From their perspective, yes. By perspective this includes emotional wiring and socialization, so it’s genuine. For the few women I know who have male wiring with regards to sex and relationships, no they do not struggle even a little bit. Same for men with more feminine wiring, they don’t struggle because they’re more willing to forgo hotness for an emotional connection. Guys I know like this have all been solidly coupled for quite some time.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/25 04:14 PM
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A matriarchy wouldn’t be just patriarchy with an “m”. Look at female social groups, power just works differently. Also there is a large chunk of the population who would in good faith try to create a utopia if they came into power. Most of America has been in this mindset for most of American history even if they were woefully woefully woefully misguided. That’s why the Civil Rights movement even worked. The Orange Man era is the first where a large chunk of Americans have given up on that and s…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/25 06:04 PM
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You have to turn your history on and watch other stuff
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 07:17 PM
1

I can see shyness working against you more if you only stick to those environs.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 01:14 AM
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That would be a real disadvantage for women who wanted to date me personally, but I'm with those who think it's either that looks are overestimated here or the most likely answer, style (clothes/hair/makeup etc). The vast majority of women I see just walk in alone at a bar will have a guy make conversation with her at some point that night.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/25 08:33 PM
1

Probably not the same guys, just different guys on the same sub—hopefully
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/25 05:26 PM
1

I've known a few real-life consensual cuckolds. They have a good deal of real power in these dynamics.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/25 01:16 AM
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Sentence 2 is key. It implies you have confidence in your ability to keep him interested. You probably need to be at the upper edge of what his perceived league is for this to work, and be interesting/sweet. If he already knows he’s really reaching he might bail early. But also if you’re at this upper edge and good sex happens early, that can have real momentum and he may think it doesn’t get any better. Either way, that upper edge seems like the best place for a woman to be. If a guy has seriou…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 06:56 PM
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It’s not always nothing but try to enjoy the relationship for what it is. Possible he always saw himself committing to an Indian women but wanted to date other ethnicities before that. I’ve had black women be insecure because I’ve dated white girls, and vice versa. Both are turnoffs. The worst was an Asian woman who was insecure because she was the only Asian I’d dated. I’m just thinking “I’m with you for a reason” all these times.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/25 04:58 PM
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Yes this is America. We are Schrödinger’s Puritans. This crazymaking impacts all of us. To go one step further, a quick search will tell you the salt-of-the-earth devout Salt Lake City has more surgeons per capita than any US city except Miami. It just dawned on me how unhealthy this is, like I knew it was unhealthy. This is madness.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/25 06:27 AM
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Agreed, but also that’s more when a guy is saying it. Before the last couple years I heard this kind of statement a lot more from women. Typically that came with a lot of “If you can’t handle me at my worst you don’t deserve me at my best” energy. Also for all genders and orientations: if they say this and have an “only God can judge me tattoo”, strongly consider today whether the hot passionate sex is worth the soon-coming consequences.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/25 05:39 PM
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It could be a red flag because divorce is already a pain in the ass as it is, a painful option to arrive at in damn near every case. Hence the need to state that loudly and forcefully especially if there is no bridal prospect on-deck, it’s preemptive anger.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/25 08:23 PM
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To me that feels like sex-pos feminism not being allowed to flourish, primarily due to sex-neg feminism but also male conservatives. Sex-positive feminism to its fullest would lead to women being as comfortable discussing what attracts them to men as we are in the other direction. That would - ultimately after some bumps - lead to less men believing they are inherently undesirable.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 04:52 PM
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To your last paragraph, see genuine feminism as being able to address both. I understand if somebody feels their specific calling is in one area versus another. In this respect it’s similar to racial dynamics. As a black person, striving for equity in corporate life and uplifting the masses are both good things, even intertwined at the end of the day. You’re starting to see this “real Germans are from the countryside” dynamic play out not only with women and white people but also other minority …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 03:58 PM
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Sex-positive feminism triggers a lot of people haha
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 02:47 PM
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Harrington does not sound feminist.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 01:20 AM
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This is idealistic but closer to reality. Most Chads aren't gonna spread their seed willy-nilly at least not for long. Their standards are higher.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/25 09:19 PM
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People should do what suits them as long as it suits them.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/25 10:21 PM
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Guarantee somebody in the current circle of trust has already thought of it. Will be packaged to struggling young men as the ultimate in owning the libs, also displacing all nofap movements permanently.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 10:23 PM
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Yes you can. I can see an even more fucked-up version of the right banning porn except if you promise to donate your end product along with 80% of precum for forced insemination into handmaids.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 10:10 PM
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Nah it’s fairly common, or at least it was years ago. Nice along with hygienic, good haircut, decent clothes and willingness to pay was supposed to go a long way. Also it’s not wrong when you already have high status in a particular setting.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 06:04 AM
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High risk, high reward. Congratulations. OK maybe it’s a kink. I don’t shame lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 10:36 PM
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Layers… That dance was terrible. One would already have to love that person to appreciate it. Yes, any attempt by a man to be sexy on-purpose has to be dead on the mark or open to ridicule—by most people. Often even if 98% of women are repulsed, a remnant will be intrigued. Actually I’ve heard the same goes for OF type of behavior, well notsomuch OF but in-person SWs or 🌽⭐️s. A lot of adult entertainers end up hooking up with fans at some point.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 09:30 PM
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I would never give that advice except in unique circumstances like if you were hitting up frat parties looking for a serious situation. I can't see making a guy wait for sex as a guarantee of anything. Actually it seems like the woman gets herself more attached in this process, unless she has other guys she's getting more physical with.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/25 05:00 PM
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This makes perfect sense… for a reptilian Rothschild Mason to say.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 11:54 PM
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Did somebody write “in your masculine frame” with a straight face?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 04:45 PM
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Props for admitting your simp-hate is analogous to this. I see this as low-confidence energy when both genders do it. It’s like worrying about “lowering the price”. That said I don’t think OF/porn simps are what would make women’s standards unreasonably high—big if on that one—since most women aren’t in those circles. If anything it would be dating apps, IG and attention received in the wild.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 02:18 PM
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I knew guys who could land AN attractive woman whenever they walked into a room just following the IOIs, but when they zeroed in on a specific woman their hit rate was fairly low. I'd even say their ease of finding a relationship--and they did want them at times--was slightly higher than that of an average guy. But casual sex was easy for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 05:05 AM
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If A)she is literally sucking my dick with high enthusiasm, B) contributing to our household and the C) time spent on #2 isn't its own problem I don't care at all about any of these except #5 and even that might be cancelled out by the magnitude of A. I've never wanted kids so I don't know if that would change it. I also am still discovering in the past year at an advanced age how non-possessive I am compared to the average person and wonder a little bit how I came to be this way.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/25 08:38 PM
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Girl friend : relationship Lady friend : situationship. Woman friend : friendship.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 02:05 AM
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Lady friends or woman friends? No judgment.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 01:02 AM
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Sometimes it’s “do X, for yourself” but the tone is all about keeping a chip on your shoulder towards women / minorities / “they”
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/25 09:10 PM
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Audience capture ruins a lot of stuff online. Presenters aren’t strong enough to stick to their truth, gotta keep the views up.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/25 09:08 PM
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Doubtful. A lot of political conservatives believe in some version of “rules for thee but not for me”. Anecdotally, socially conservative a little less likely but just a little.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/25 08:02 PM
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I knew somebody in real life who was 85% of this and yes he had loads of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/25 02:57 AM
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I know whether I would have casual sex under circumstances ideal for casual sex with little effort expenditure very early on. Whether to expend additional energy, especially towards a relationship, that can build over time.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/25 10:56 PM
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I’m sure you saw this, but in my experience men near the top or near the bottom get away with this shit while those in the middle need to be stoic. This is in technical/engineering environments.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/25 03:18 PM
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If the HONEYMOON period is lukewarm you need to abandon ship, straight up.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 04:00 PM
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I don’t think the guys afraid of this are even thinking of control. They perceive themselves as having no control. For people that feed this content, absolutely that’s one of their motives.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/25 05:13 PM
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It plays into their worst fears. Other people have different fears that get mongered to effectively. I wish humans weren’t wired like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/25 05:08 PM
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Yeah there are lots of ins, lots of outs, lots of what have yous.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/25 03:19 PM
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You should follow the lead. Her art is strongly vaginal… in the parlance of our times. Lebowski.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/25 07:26 AM
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Maude Lebowski would disagree with this.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/25 06:06 AM
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Fortunately I’ve come across some good women that were good with white-collar guys without grills.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 07:58 AM
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Heavens no not that
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 07:52 AM
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Part of that is the numbers game with OLD. In the Chadfish experiments I've seen they have like a 20% close rate. But as the OP says their looks get them a "foot in the door" with damn near every woman. A 20% close with those numbers means you will die fucking. But it's still 20%, so 4 out of 5 women can brag about being turned off by his lack of swag, sense of humor etc etc
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 04:57 AM
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This exchange is fucking hilarious. I'm aware of Philly grime. I have been in grimy settings where the pure grime required to attract women was just not something I was willing to adjust to within myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 04:36 AM
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4th paragraph; yes it shows that women are desirable sexually, so much so that they basically take it for granted. 5th paragraph: I Do. Not. Understand. Why maleness insists on shooting itself in the foot with this mentality. Women play an equal part in this too though, discouraging other women from bringing down the “price”. 1st paragraph: a brand new way guys have invented to cockblock themselves… more accurately a grift discovered by manospherian content producers. 20-25 years ago I don’t rem…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 09:42 PM
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Tradwife is usually making an emotional investment too. Granted it’s contingent on money at some point, but with time and kids feelings, logistics and social circles get involved.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 06:48 PM
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Time and emotional investment is very different. The golddigger, who I regard as least savory of these, is putting a lot of time in.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 06:46 PM
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Trad-women are not my cup of tea at all but it’s very different. In fact tradwife, golddigger, sugarbaby and prostitute have very meaningful differences. The only commonality is that a man’s money means something more than “can support himself and the woman if she’s in a bind”.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 06:36 PM
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I’m not counting the first intro meet as a date, thinking OLD has taken the place of that. The first meet was often group-on-group. I was in my early 20s in the late 90s. Those 5-6 years older were the adults I paid attention to. Especially at that age they weren't arranging whole-ass group meetups for the first date after the intro. I was in cities with high amounts of transplants if that makes a difference. Edit: thinking of it, it was common also to have a "my people are gonna be here, roll t…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/24 01:32 AM
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Meet somebody at a bar, party, the mall, cruising (what?) or generally out and about. Talking on the phone a few times. Go on date. This was very normal. Wasn't this part of every Seinfeld episode?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 09:32 PM
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Wow I can confirm that people went on dates in the 90s
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/24 04:31 PM
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Funny flair… OP byline also leaves out “carousel” 😆
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 02:50 PM
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There is a lot of bad faith on the internet, including this corner, in both these situations. It applies to the guys' complaints but I don't remember if there was a time "What is a woman" was asked in good faith.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/24 05:36 PM
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It’s possible on Feeld. If you’re nitpicking then take the W I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/24 04:02 PM
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This is from that link Submissive Roles: The percentage of women identifying as submissive (30.4%) is significantly higher than that of men (9.0%), indicating a greater interest among female users in embracing submissive roles. I’m talking about Feeld, using hyperbole for sure but it seems like every other profile is bratbratbrat. Never even knew what that was before.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/24 03:50 PM
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There’s a kink-friendly dating app where like 75% of women have “brat” listed among theirs.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/24 03:38 PM
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I was under the impression MeToo wouldn’t stop at clearly defining non-consensual encounters, but would cover enthusiastic consent with more granularity. But some people and provocateurs are just determined to enter these discussions with bad faith. See also the reactions to Black Lives Matter (“whatchu mean white lives don’t matter, you think only black people deserve to live, huh? Huh?) Toxic masculinity (“I’m masculine so whatchu sayin all masculinity is toxic now? That’s what I’m hearing! Hu…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/24 07:38 PM
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Hey I’m an out-of-touch Xennial and I cannot relate to that take.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 02:47 PM
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I know a few guys who married primarily for intellect or "king treatment". Long marriages that are still intact over 15 years actually.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/24 09:22 PM
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Incest with your PC?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/24 10:39 PM
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Yeah actual cluster B is creepy, especially NPD. Not just how they con, but the way they dominate, defer and even deflate.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/24 05:20 PM
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It goes a step further. Most women don’t like to acknowledge they made any calculated steps when retelling the story even when they did.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/24 11:43 PM
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I do assume anybody above a certain number of IG followers has dabbled, maybe 100K, maybe less.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/24 06:26 PM
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Women do get caught up in these aspects but when you say “If I’ve ever met…” that’s what I disagree with, the frequency. You can smell the aura when you’re around one who has partaken.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/24 05:57 PM
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Purpleness validated Agree with BP on: divorces, I can see women more likely to rip the band aid Women leaving after job loss, the complete BP take being the comparison to men checking out or leaving after illness/loss of youth Women date losers all the time—yes observably even picky women get emotionally attached to head-scratchers. Why I don’t believe in hypergamy. The sex industry stuff… there’s still a huge stigma against that so most hot women don’t. Most hot women I know when “in heat” sim…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/24 04:58 PM
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This movement and the anti-vax movement point to something, maybe a good amount of younger folks (a loud minority) need to recycle hardships that society as a whole escaped for very good reasons decades ago? Also covers this gender essentialism/divine-masculine/divine-feminine stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/24 08:27 AM
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I am just desiring desire.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 11:21 PM
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I never got the braying against all apps, especially if you had to gin up liquid courage as the only option
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 10:20 PM
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And… the aggressor has embraced all manner of fucked up nationalism since forever but you already knew that.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 10:31 PM
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If you’re talking about “society” we are always thoroughly questioning this. Mass secularization has been the result, even more profound in Europe where WW2 happened which is not coincidental. Less reasons to fight over stuff, not more, is best. America hasn’t had to learn that and now you’re seeing Nationalist Christianity make a comeback, which is scary because it leaves out love of humanity, only love of like-minded and major fear of other.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 09:40 PM
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I fell out with CNN over the sensationalism between the Iraq War era and the run-up to 2016 when they helped legitimize Trump--I'm aware they got combative with him post-election, but IDGAF by then. Aware that different factions from Trumpist to liberal have fallen away from them for different reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/24 09:08 AM
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“Nah, decisive but not a landslide.” Sincerely, the 80s and also 2008.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/24 02:46 AM
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I can see how it happened. For infotainment I go to podcasts as well, and not NBC or even MSNBC for that matter. For gritty stuff that matters I go to stat-geeky sources kept by states or stock-market geeks. But on the daily it's niche stuff with a side of news.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/24 08:53 PM
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Thanks for your support.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/24 07:15 PM
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I plan to keep donating time and money to help those likely to be persecuted.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/24 07:11 PM
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White voters went at least 60% DJT. Only college-degreed white voters went 50/50.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/24 06:59 PM
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The First Buddy has said the economy needs to collapse, so it's not really about the economy. It's about some nebulous concept of "owning the libs" or for the old-school it's about "restoring of hierarchies".
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/24 06:50 PM
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And they are huge, equal to all the other outlets combined. Fox in particular. Yeah liberals go to more sources, less loyal in general, for better and worse. Black men voted 80% Dem. Treating this shift from 87% to 80% as some apocalypse is dumb. The leopards will come for Latino men, I don't know what's wrong with them--aside from Cubans in FL, they see themselves as white.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/24 06:46 PM
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Half of America doesn't pay attention that, especially with respect to politics. Fox News is the most popular news source. How is that not establishment or mainstream? Idk when I think "establishment" I think old white guys. This Trumpist movement is the establishment fighting the fuck back.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/24 06:35 PM
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So the establishment is not anti-woke?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/24 06:24 PM
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That's a big part of why he won
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/24 06:23 PM
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Definitions of MSM and "the establishment" here are wildly inaccurate. Doesn't 40% of the nation only trust Fox News and 50% of U30s swear by Rogan?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/24 06:21 PM
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If you can find someone to indulge in mutually consensual facesitting you should partake, especially when broke.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/24 07:32 AM
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Purple here, but no. Sounds like you’re chasing out of habit, and chasing women you’re attracted to 75%. They’re probably cute and it would be a slight ego boost to have them interested in you or have them on your arm. But they’re a 75% to you and you see 75%ers everywhere. You likely feel competent chasing and rarely have awkward moments, so you’re at least average at that skill. I suggest you save your next chase for a woman you’re 95% attracted to or above. This is purely projection from when…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/24 02:08 PM
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There’s a difference between born-into-it trad and new convert-trad to own the libs. Generally in church there’s a difference even before these strange times between the long timers in the fold and new converts. New converts are gonna take 3-4 years to settle into who they really will be for the long haul after the zest and zeal go to equilibrium.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/24 01:51 PM
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This is not how math works. Same fucked-up non-logic that racists use. What percent of men commit rapes is the honest way to start.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/24 03:25 PM
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It's not just a look. Competence is sexy in most cases, maybe second-order compared to physique, but it's in the category of what would make you want to get to know someone vs. just saving the image for later.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/24 10:54 PM
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All that stuff in the second paragraph are kinks that people consensually engage in. It's possible to go overboard with it as with many things.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/24 08:14 PM
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I thought you were asking due to this ridiculous article or two floating around on Medium lol
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/24 10:40 PM
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I agree that in 90% of circumstances, 99% of circumstances where we would actually draw female attention we have standards. But literally sitting around with nothing to do, nowhere to be, alone on a Tuesday with no relationship… it’s not NO standards, but I still say that door is wide open compared to a woman in similar situation. I may be able to identify with this in recent months, at an age where I’m pickier than ever in normal situations.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/24 02:36 PM
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None beyond the happiness I’d get from a really good relationship. Pleasing her with a great gift or something she really needs or wants yes that would be great but the consistent provider role, none at all. If I was in a much greater financial position I’d be OK with the role, but only because it would make sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/24 04:07 AM
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Logical (a small check in the box in her favor) and Non-Traditional and Non-Submissive (a few more important checks in the box). On the negative side, you’d look out for whimsicality and signs of too-impulsive behavior. The way it’s executed in the video is pretty hot to me ngl
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/24 10:35 PM
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Welly welly welly well then
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/24 10:27 PM
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Yes, with money and recovery time. Ab etching most likely. Gives me something to think about.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/24 08:25 PM
1

The sac shake
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/24 04:56 AM
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Maybe if you’re U25 you won’t get it to be fair, but there are genres of guys I could nevvvver see linking arms with the Religious Right that are doing so today. Like the 2003 equivalent of the Red Pill community had no overlap with “trad” anything and was very anti-abortion especially in case of incest,r*pe, mother’s health at risk. Hell actually the Southern Baptists were at that point in the 80s and that’s easily Googlable. Shit has just gotten weirder.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/24 04:33 PM
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I used to 100% agree with this, as race and religion played a whole lot more into this than gender. Now I only 80% agree because this new wave of Christian Nationalism/Fascism has some non-religious folks buying into this pro-forced-birthism rhetoric and that group tends to be men. Also men tend to be the ones spouting outright stupidity on this issue like the belief that vaginas can pick and choose which sperm to entertain, including the ability to discard r*pe sperm at will.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/24 04:26 PM
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I have a positive connotation toward it. I think online gender-war stuff has gotten out of hand in the last two years. Still I’m hardcore pro-choice and definitely see the difficulties women face in male-dominated workplaces. As an aside, past these basics sexism is more complicated than racism or homophobia due to the sheer amount of women that uphold misogyny, and almost by definition, a certain type of misandry. There are way more women for whom repressive gender roles work than black folks f…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 10:15 PM
3

I have the impression real urban areas are still normal like this. NYC felt the same way when I visited this summer.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 04:07 PM
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Curious what area you inhabit. I remember hookup culture being like this 15-20 years ago and OLD being like that 5 years ago. Out of the loop and aged out of the dynamics now but so many younger folks say it’s different now.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 03:54 PM
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FWIW I think women go through the same shitty experiences as men when it comes to bullying in high school. I don’t think the thirst imbalance really kicks in until post-uni / age 22 or so.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 12:42 PM
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I’d say over half the marriages/serious LTRs I was aware of 10-15 years ago had that dynamic. I’ve heard people say that amongst gen Z the types of emotional issues displayed by men and women are converging so could be changing.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 04:26 AM
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They regulate their emotions via other people, like the opposite of emotionally self-sufficient. I find that women are more likely to be like this, but there are guys too. They often will praise you for your calm demeanor.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 04:17 AM
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It’s probably your attachment style or personality if you’ve never been in that situation. I’ve had multiple partners who really liked that I was stoic (at least on the surface), as in consistently specifically complimented for it. My last gf, I could imagine her never needing or wanting a “rock”. A quick google search would tell you a lot of people want their man to be the rock and a lot of men are trying to figure out how to be that for a woman. These guys need somebody to tell them it’s not t…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 04:07 AM
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When you figure that third one out write a book.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 03:51 AM
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I don’t read the manosphere much but I am extreeeeemely familiar both first and second hand with men expected to be the emotional “rock” for their gfs/wives.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 03:44 AM
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Wow them goalposts moved a long ways there
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 03:21 AM
2

It’s also context-dependent. You can be the same you and be perceived as both depending on the social environment.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 02:16 AM
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Lived somewhat spartan for a time. There was a certain amount of messiness that never existed simply because I didn’t have enough stuff and I appreciated that at the time. I also needed to move quite a bit and it was only like 60 man-hours of effort. I didn’t have the impression it hampered my mating life.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/24 03:17 PM
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That has benefited me. Edit: to be non-snarky, the collective often has a need, creating incentives for risk-takers to seek glory or profit by helping the collective. The collective still benefits. This isn’t 100% but it’s basic human thriving.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/24 02:21 PM
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Yes. It benefits everybody. Vaccines and technology are examples. People coming up with ways to cope with our environment.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/24 02:08 PM
0

I believe humans should behave towards each other in a way that mitigates the universe’s cold, 0.5-degrees-Kelvin apathy toward us. Except for dating. Follow your lust or child-bearing instincts.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/24 01:33 AM
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Nah man. Hope you have good people for support when this illusion is broken.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/24 06:23 AM
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If I ever find this out from her, no. If she says I’m great but in a different way, then maybe and that depends on how she says it. If she tells you this, the respect level is nil and the relationship has already been over.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/24 06:20 AM
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“If you were a stronger man, you could handle her insecurities” -Toxic Masculinity and also Toxic Femininity
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 12:12 AM
2

Even as late as the 2020s I witnessed shamelessness and gab going a long way.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/24 09:45 PM
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Half the players I’ve known have no looks advantage to speak of whatsoever. One of the more proficient was a 5’10 white guy balding at 23. All about the “mouthpiece”
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/24 07:38 PM
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That would be sad to witness such a decline happen over time.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/24 12:19 AM
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On this sub—and you didn’t do it here—many of these posts start with three coherent paragraphs that I could see from somebody is struggling, been there. Then the last paragraph goes straight left into some alternate reality, blaming some group of women and men in a way that is irrational. And that’s to me, a guy who is kinda sympathetic.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/24 09:34 PM
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Not here, but my YouTube algorithm has found that sub space of women. Generally, failed young male sexuality mildly disgusts a lot of people, I’d say even a majority of men along with the vast majority of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/24 02:51 PM
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Yeah this is it if you read past the surface. Women have successfully sold that their attraction is not based on superficial traits but rather rigorous analysis of a man’s soul or Mercury in retrograde. This is less true when you observe people in the wild. It’s easy to predict what kind of guy will turn women’s heads.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/24 02:10 PM
4

You have a point. You have a point. 🍻
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 10:37 PM
10

The catch is, being an asshole is really exhausting if it doesn’t come naturally.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 09:12 PM
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Back in my day it seemed like short guys had an extra flair to their personality around women, like it was an adaptation. It wouldn’t surprise me if less people grew those muscles in these times. I always thought a 5’3 guy with my personality would be a virgin until 30.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 01:55 AM
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The kids call it nichemaxxing now.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 01:17 AM
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Dating is a gendered experience. There are plenty of women who think guys are just naturally tactfully assertive or pushy whenever they feel attraction, and most of these women are hot.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/24 08:02 PM
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The logic is that if you feel attracted, the first step in acting on this is some scale of invasion into her personal space, however slight. If a guy considers himself unattractive, he believes this likely to make her uncomfortable, somewhere from slightly to viscerally disgusted. You can also see how this feeling is less immediately problematic if it’s about somebody he will never meet in person or only see on a screen.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/24 12:08 PM
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There’s a sex-negative left and a sex-negative right. There’s a horseshoe there but the paths are very different.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/24 11:46 AM
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You know where you’re at though, so way more folks will agree with the premises of your second and third paragraphs than in other spaces.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 05:52 AM
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It’s so blatant. It’s almost like someone allowed him to rise to prominence for the express purpose of public ridicule.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 11:02 PM
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😂😂😂 at your play by play. He is now theee prime example, such a caricature lol
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 10:59 PM
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Sounds like you’re talking about things outside of women benefitting from OF. Not sure where this is going.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 07:18 PM
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Honestly I don’t think it’s gender-based as much as those who are into purity have an issue. The women who have issues with it are gonna have different rationales. There are people of both genders, hell of both political leanings, there is a sex-negative left and a sex-negative right, that have issues. I can only speak into the psyche a little bit for straight men. Edit: not entirely understanding your second sentence, can you clarify?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 06:30 PM
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Agreed.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 05:18 PM
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Honestly if you follow him he went above and beyond in his rhetoric. But if you’re an adult you’re aware there’s a long tradition of his ilk, in and out of politics.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 05:18 PM
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Straight men wish they had that sexual power with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 05:10 PM
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I think so. Maybe some people have a problem with the “ethics” but maybe that’s hard for me to relate to, I can’t relate to purity-based morality.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 05:10 PM
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That women can make money doing this and men can’t is a reminder that women hold a certain kind of sexual superiority over us. The guys who are against OF haven’t come to peace with it, both those who consume or boycott.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 04:49 PM
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Very anti LGB and especially the T in public. Loves the Trans-girl on cis-girl action in private apparently.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 04:47 PM
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I wish it made sense like this, but Mark Robinson is the latest public example of how it doesn’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 04:17 PM
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I can see it working, a weed-out strategy
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 01:45 PM
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A lot of RWers fantasize about being literally cucked by liberal men though
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/24 07:55 PM
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California is crawling with male Democrat voters who lift weights. This is a RW fantasy
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/24 05:58 PM
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Those were exceptions. The other 90% of good lays were open to staying in touch.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/24 03:10 PM
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Honestly, for me I’ve only been truly ghosted twice after what I thought was a good sexual performance and it was blatantly obvious after the fact that one was cheating on someone. The other time I was visiting from out of town but would’ve tried to see this woman the next time I was in that town, mild ghosting really. I’m not the only one, in many guys’ experience women get hooked on good dick. Thinking college could be an exception to this.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/24 05:34 AM
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Many people have said the scene in Girl with the Dragon Tattoo when Rooney Mara throws Daniel Craig on the bed and mounts him was kind of SA on his part because he didn’t ask her as he was being cast onto the bed about her SA trauma, or whether she had any.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/24 11:35 PM
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But how hard is she trying? Is her effort level below-average? Are you reading the room for that? That could still be obligation, man. Slippery slope.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/24 11:08 PM
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But how enthusiastic is enthusiastic 🤨
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/24 10:02 PM
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Many times, you’ll do the song and dance unwittingly. Women sometimes are very attracted by things like the way you hold a wrench or some shit, similar in scale to the icks.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/24 02:50 PM
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Checks out. The time period I’m talking about was pre OLD so it was even more true. I don’t remember too many women seeming offended by an approach.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/24 08:12 PM
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I like the “it’s over but I can tell you some stories” crowd
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/24 08:09 PM
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Desperate times… but also from observations now young men just have more energy for approaching women and pulling the lion’s share of the conversational weight in the early stages.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/24 01:28 PM
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Humor is the equivalent along with respect, affection not so much, but laughing together or dry humor over bad times.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/24 01:01 AM
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I’ve watched a lot of WNBA this season. I swear the level of camaraderie between teams after the game is way lower than the NBA, where outside of playoff games it’s like a frat reunion after the whistle these days. In the WNBA it’s not zero but like 80% less.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/24 12:52 AM
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I have a hard time in general understanding how an adult male can be a victim in a sexual situation with a woman unless the reason is blatantly obvious, especially in the early stages. Age gap doesn’t qualify at all to me. Open to opposing views.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/24 02:05 PM
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That’s Reddit stuff. I had a few experiences like that and it was definitely consensual on my side lol
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/24 01:07 PM
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Should the astute individual be considering orgasms induced instead of body count?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/24 12:46 AM
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This is true in many areas. Access to what other groups were saying behind your back hasn’t gone well.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/24 12:43 AM
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There is likely a correlation with count and getting married later, years of independent living are more likely culprit. I know too many married folks who had a wild time in college or whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/24 09:57 PM
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A lot of voices in the world today.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/24 05:43 PM
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The “pair-bonding” shit was created on the internet in the last 10 years. I never heard of it until 2022.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/24 04:35 PM
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Yeah if she’s a 7 to you, she’s a 10 to somebody else.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/24 05:22 AM
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They are extremely context-dependent and she already has a weeks or months-long scenario leading into the moment when he (fill in the blank). Why would men not have these scenarios in mind, instead assuming something like "stranger/low-level acquaintance across the room"? I'm sure some kind of socialization or gender difference is at play.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/24 05:36 PM
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"Babe don't go to the gym, stay with me and let's watch some netflix and eat cheetos" Quirky song title idea
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/24 03:35 PM
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Penis that a woman was not already co-habitating with. Could've put that more succinctly. For this platform to be highly-effective it would have to be supported by real-life experience of men caring for women pleasure, besides media reinforcement. Are you talking about men not caring about giving women orgasms or something else? A bit confused because I feel like IG thirst traps and porn are effective, even for men who rarely or never come across a woman who cares about his pleasure in particula…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 08:59 PM
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supported by a social network that caters for male sexuality. Correctamundo. There is a vast gulf between the value of general male sexual attention and the value of male penis, for women and also advertisers. Covid really brought this gulf to the fore where it felt like women actually missed generic male attention while introductory penis was devalued for obvious reasons. I guess the reverse would be men going to surgery to get a piece of their ball sack skin removed to make them less saggy and…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 08:43 PM
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Seems like most women wouldn’t want to trade places? Yall don’t like being thought of as “easy”. Entire industries know how easy we are. We have zero mystique. Plastic surgery or even women dressing up never feels aimed at me in a personal way, and most guys probably agree. That last part, no retort to that lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 03:20 PM
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It seems like getting your pussy eaten is the best physical sexual sensation by a good margin.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 03:16 PM
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Even when you’re dating “for real” it’s just for experience, unless you both understand it to be a commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 03:14 PM
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Last 2-3 years of college are good times for a lot of guys, after that you are low value for a few years. At least for me and most of my peers.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 03:11 PM
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With adult level wisdom it’s pretty awesome. Being like 15 is not fun. Having one part of your brain wanting to be stoic, rational and objective while the other part is like that is a lot to handle.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 06:25 AM
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I knew I had a glow up when the fake phone numbers and last-minute flakes stopped
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 11:51 PM
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I had no game. Only got any through looks and pity in those days, usually from sketchy situations.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 11:49 PM
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I got laid an OK amount looking back, due to high volume of attempts. At 30 I was more naturally picky and could afford to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 11:02 PM
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Yes. Although pure life experience will give you some level of confidence even if you don’t date. Dating will give you some level of competence or lessons learned in addition.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 10:44 PM
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Yeah that’s what I remember. Dating sucked way more at 22-25 than 29-32. Most guys were in a similar boat though, there was no obsession with what “Chad” was doing that we weren’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 10:12 PM
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Props to you and other women here when it’s due. At least y’all are not saying the mere process of accumulating this data is problematic as I’ve seen here before, so logically y’all are making sense. And “far greater rewards”… somebody is not lacking confidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 04:23 PM
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Taraban is the Algorithm asking “Are You Sure You Want to be Radicalized?”
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 01:42 PM
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He likely has a credential but speaks on things not related to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 01:41 PM
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It’s different in that some incidents of shame or humiliation is inevitable, however small. A marksman’s target isn’t going to ostracize him ever.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 01:31 PM
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The owner can't do him a solid just once?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 05:28 AM
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I understand why some guys think that way but I’m wired differently. I have never LTR’d anybody who wouldn’t do casual with me.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 01:23 AM
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Yeah it’s a paradox. I’ve heard women admit they only get with “8s and above” for casual but also think the long-term prospect should feel more complimented. There’s a way to steel-man that but most women don’t think it’s even an opinion that sounds like something that needs explaining. It’s a gendered paradox.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 01:17 AM
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He described himself as such and seemed to be an accepted part of the hive. If I remembered his name, I’d be more than happy to let you hash that out with him.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 01:05 AM
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We are both smart enough to know that it’s a paradox and why that is.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 07:54 PM
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Biting. That would mean the casual sex isn’t worthless for them?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 07:53 PM
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I agree on the spirit of #1 but I don't see a way out of it as women's initial attraction just seems to be less than men's, whether it shows up as 8:1 OLD ratios or men always having to make the first move in a bar. What are your real observations?--I don't notice men approaching women hardly at all compared to like 2004, or even checking them out nearly as much. I think the proliferation of online thirst-traps and the corresponding infinite pool of male attention to same has cooled dating down …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 03:55 AM
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I suspect all groups are equally bigoted when it comes to in-group mics-off banter, but some want to convert that energy to policy more than others. As a black person in America, I've always been primarily concerned more with the latter. I shouldn't generalize "as a black person"... I feel like black folks who grew up as the extreme minority in schools in their formative years care more about the mics-off banter content than I do.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 12:02 AM
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I think the worldview is slowly coming around. When I was 20s, learning to deal with women suddenly “ghosting” at any moment was a cost of doing business and why you tried to have multiple options until actual exclusivity.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/24 05:14 PM
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I reckon I'm "they" here. To be fair there might be a difference between IRL radfems and online radfems. I feel the gender-war space has gotten more crazy online in the last 2-3 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/24 02:55 PM
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Seen guys share stories of SA and get extremely shitty reactions from that set... the one that stood out to me most had male AND female radfems, so both-gendered brands of shittiness.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/24 02:52 PM
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Online radfems are brutal about this too.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/24 01:14 PM
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Curious, why is that? I'm mostly indifferent per my flair.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/24 07:27 PM
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I agree, although I acquired a pretty good eye for who was open to approaches in pre-OLD days. Took some trial, error and a few humiliations in the process. Honestly when OLD really kicked into gear I was married but noticed people basically stopped “approaching” in person, and in my eyes in-person has never come back.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/24 07:00 AM
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Yeah dudes didn't really want to be worried about getting their courage up on a night out, it was just a necessity.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/24 05:41 AM
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When compared to men, on an interpersonal level they are more loyal to the in-group but on systemic issues they are less so.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 12:51 PM
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Is it OK if cocks aren’t involved. What if it’s a woman pleasuring herself but she’s thinking of another man’s cock?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/24 04:57 PM
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Hahaha! I don’t like that kind of porn usually, but you’re saying a guy watching women enjoy sex and imagining himself as Dirk McGirth is sus?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/24 02:10 PM
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Even so, that is much more often insecurity about masculinity, OK so 5-10% of those types could be closeted.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/24 02:08 PM
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Some truth to this. If a guy is still in this behavior post-30 it's weird, been around it so I can agree... But to brand a man insecure in his masculinity as homosexual is also weird. It's in the same vein as guys who want to prove to themselves or others that they are "alpha".
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/24 01:34 PM
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"When men think that picking up a bunch of women and plowing their way through “10s” is some kind of flex it’s very homoerotic in nature" Does not compute.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/24 03:43 AM
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It’s BS in that setting, kinda. You need to present a generic version of yourself at first. If she’s attracted you just need to be enough of a person to not make her lose that.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 12:59 PM
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Lol 90% of the guys flooding a club at 11pm making the ratio 5:1 are not expecting to pick up
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 12:38 PM
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I don’t think so. In a phase where I had a lot of dating options, I thought of a lot of women as somebody else’s 8-10 but a 6 for me. When you’re in demand your individual cap space is limited. There are good to decent people you can’t even entertain. So I can see why 20-something women say this in good faith.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 03:12 AM
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Why you take a blue pill and cut it in halves, thirds, quarters whatever the first 1-2 times. Helps to get past women with body mechanics and idiosyncracies, small stuff that won't throw you off long-term.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 05:16 PM
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The current trend on the internet is to pick the most unflattering adjective if it’s somebody you don’t like. Which means straight to p3d0 usually
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/24 09:20 PM
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True. Even if it’s well-intended it can still have unintended consequences. Also a lot is in the delivery. The only times I’ve heard women say this in a tough-love-keyword-LOVE fashion have been mother-son.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 11:15 PM
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When men say it, there is sometimes a degree of empathy. When women say it it’s out of exasperation or frustration, with emasculation as revenge.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 11:05 PM
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That is one of myriad ways. They don’t understand how much is dependent on males’ instinct to scan for new partners. From my side, I have no intuitive understanding for what it means for my sexuality to be a currency, and to what degree managing that currency well impacts overall well-being for a woman… or what it’s like to not realllly be attracted to any man until seeing him operate in a social setting. Just different lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 01:55 PM
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It would help if people were honest about how gendered an experience dating is. Dating as a straight man and as a straight woman are completely different life experiences.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 01:22 PM
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lol knowing that people confuse these concepts explains these streets
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 01:47 AM
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What is the upside to sharing that?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 04:27 AM
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It’s a big ingredient for most men and people over 27-28. I get you though, for hot women under like 24 many see it as a burden, but hot women over 32-33 have “earned” it in some form or fashion, it shows in that even if they’re not into the person giving compliments they enjoy getting them.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 03:53 PM
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People who have set fitness goals would like a word
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 02:20 PM
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That had not occurred to me at all, I was thinking more like the woman was the trophy
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 08:55 PM
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Something we like to pull out from time to time
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 03:28 PM
2

That’s basically the difference between simping and not to me. A very high rate of success for the tactic or especially reciprocity is not simping.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 03:25 PM
2

Yeah it’s an interesting phenomenon. Had no idea people thought like this until finding this sub. Gets you in the door but more like the first hurdle lol
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 01:38 AM
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I knew a guy who was a Chad looks-wise but had other shit going on mentally. He had a lot of women coming at him even if the more sane ones would stop before hooking up due to sensing something off.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 01:30 AM
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I’ve been in an abusive relationship with a woman, years removed. Alone is definitely better. Men are more likely to be risk-takers due to hormones alone. So when you pose the threat of damn near anything not extremely gender-specific, men will be less hesitant than women on average. Also we’re socially encouraged to man up and deal with things in addition to the hormonal difference. For those who haven’t had a lot of sex, it’s hard to imagine a woman being so awful that it’s not worth enthusias…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/24 07:16 PM
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You know what, I can say from experience that stuff is all true but I sincerely hope you find a better path to that confidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/24 05:09 PM
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Be grateful
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/24 05:06 PM
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That is the weirdest path my algorithm led me down, that of hot women giving male-friendly dating advice. Uncanny valley feeling.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/24 04:32 PM
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I am the guy from the first example. Been like that for over 25 years of adulthood. For the others, with the exception of “real-man” guy my experience is that they lose their delusions at some point and make complete 180s. They don’t always complain about women but sometimes they become savages for a long period. Other times they become savages for a short period before settling down. Either way I’ve been around several of these guys and they tend to give up this bullshit before age 30 whether t…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/24 12:34 AM
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Nah, I’ve seen a guy have great success doing this stuff on early dates, but he liked to date downward in class way more than any other person I’ve known.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/24 01:46 AM
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First the comment almost made me spit my coffee out… but I had the impression white guys have at least started to appreciate ass in the last 15 years. But circa 2000 which was my first real white-people immersion with people my age, they were FIXATED. Like weight and skinniness were a 99% correlation with sexiness.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/24 01:33 PM
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Yes, agreement. I was seeing two women on a weekly basis, one who preferred clean and less hair, one who liked stank and hairy. Compromise.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/24 12:09 AM
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When I first heard of OLD back in the day these were my thoughts. Most of me still thinks the youngsters don't know how good they have it. Especially the comment on men not "doing what they're supposed to" But there is a significant minority of women who don't find as many guys attractive in photos as in social settings so that's basically fuckin up the utopia, along with prematurely sent dick pics.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/24 05:05 PM
2

Being in the right social streams and awareness of opportunity presenting is more important than PPD gives credit for.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/24 01:58 PM
2

To the extent women hit a wall around 30, it’s way more related to this than their looks/beauty. Men get an SMV bump or gain more self-respect around that age. I was just joking around with a guy about how much we used to tarry for the pussy in our early to mid 20s
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/24 07:02 PM
1

OK to be her sidepiece
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 03:23 PM
1

OK to be her sidepiece
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 03:19 PM
1

Being discriminate is wrapped up in many women’s gender identification, in the same way that men’s enjoyment of female beauty is part of ours.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 03:17 PM
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That’s why I said it’s in the culture. That a man should be sexually experienced is the default background assumption. That’s why it’s often turned to as an insult when one feels so inclined. I’ll add that a lot of men on the receiving end of these insults are manifesting weakness at the time of the incident. This is not unrelated.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 10:27 PM
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I’ve heard it quite often, not women going out of their way to mock virgins but state a preference for not wanting to deal with them. It’s in the culture.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 10:19 PM
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Actually no, I’ve noticed the top 0.5% physique guys attracting beautiful women with ease. Anecdotally and personally NRE and established FWB sex are the hottest. Skeptical of the idea that most guys have only gotten starfish low-energy coitus.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 01:01 PM
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Yeah, most women are gonna try to erode you, whether they do this consciously or not. Resisting the erosion attempts is a hassle in the short term but often is good for long-term attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 12:50 PM
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Tell her to make him a peg-a-nic basket.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/24 11:01 PM
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I wouldn’t mind being the adorer theoretically but I also have avoidant attachment style so that doesn’t work out for long.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/24 09:35 PM
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They should invent a way to ban people from commenting if they’re in the bathroom.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/24 06:14 PM
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This is the only manospherish space I really jump in, and the amount of guys who’ve been cheated on AND those who have high anxiety about it stands out like a sore thumb.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/24 03:57 PM
2

To be expected to not lie blatantly is fair. If you say “yes we’re exclusive” but are not, that’s bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 08:14 PM
2

That’s douchy but not usually what I think of when the term “plate-spinning” is used. I’ll have to reconsider using the term. I think of what you describe as “situations”.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 07:11 PM
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Good point. That kind of stuff feels like voyeurism more than porn. As somebody who likes more roleplayish stuff without going TMI, just watching a fine woman bang her bf on camera… yawn. Guessing I’m in the minority on that.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 01:32 AM
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Not really since it’s competition but they will use wild moral justifications.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 06:54 PM
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Edit: clearly I thought you were not talking about death. Still, This is moral panic stuff. Strangling deaths have trended with population size in the US since 1970. It increased a lot in popularity from 1945-1960 for some reason? https://www.statista.com/statistics/527321/deaths-due-to-choking-in-the-us/
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 06:53 PM
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Everybody watches porn now. In the 70s you had to go to a theater and watch along with other dudes jerking off under their trenchcoats. A more fervent level of perversion required.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 06:46 PM
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For those who are into that kind of thing, this is the kind of thing they are into. But seriously kink stuff should be discussed beforehand.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 06:08 PM
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Mmm the porn-based violence predicted from the studies in the 70s happened we’d have serial killings around the clock on every street corner, which how much porn is readily available now. It would be the apocalypse. Those studies had very motivated reasoning, similar to Satanic Panic stuff in the 80s and Reefer Madness.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 05:55 PM
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The idea that porn would drive men to harass women MORE never made sense. It’s demotivating if anything, for better or worse. Although I could see it influencing what its viewers think is “normal” when in a real life sexual situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 03:37 PM
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I sit corrected. In some traditions they salt the doorways to keep people out lol
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 04:11 AM
1

Scorching you mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 03:33 AM
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From worst to whatever: 42153 assuming I’m still physically attracted despite of or even because of the weight depending on how it’s distributed. 5 and 3 may not be issues for me at all
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 03:27 AM
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This subreddit and only this subreddit. You don’t hear this shit anywhere else.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 03:21 PM
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It’s a worthy question because PUA type of stuff in the early 00s and late 90s was not politically affiliated. Tom Leykis was this radio talk show guy similar in subject matter to Kevin Samuels and led off his show with how he “wasn’t some right-wing wacko”. Tradcon and PUA used to have no overlap. The world has gone crazy.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/24 06:04 AM
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This doesn’t hold with observations I’ve experienced of any means… for women either. Of course you’re not gonna bond in the midst of your hoe phase but most people have seasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/24 10:48 PM
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I don’t know about delusional but depressing, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 11:33 PM
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🤣🤣 That would be honestly but nah I’m 6’2. I always looked at short guys that could pull tall women with much respect though.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 02:33 PM
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If not tall, very athletic. In boys height or athleticism should provide a floor to how deep into manospherianism they would fall. I’m thinking for girls pure athleticism should be enough to keep them off these places. I have the impression that even tall women are better treated in the world and will have higher confidence. From my experience athletic women definitely have higher confidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 02:02 PM
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That’s why if I had kids it would be with a tall woman and they would develop love for a sport or two by any means necessary.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 01:46 PM
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I never looked this word in the dictionary, it’s defined by marriage into a higher sociological class than one’s own. I’m surprised by this definition the way the word is used here. By that definition women are definitely more likely to be hypergamous and there is a very low percentage of men that are heavily influenced by it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/24 02:47 AM
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True. I also notice female social groups outside of the sexual cartel phenomenon are more crab-in-barrel than male groups. I’m thinking of workplace dynamics too.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/24 01:05 PM
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Except not really. Staying with a woman while she earnestly looks for a job <> “not knowing what you’ll come home to”
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/24 04:48 PM
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When I think of that phrase I think of emotional abuse at minimum (heard it first used by women prone to BPD/bipolar rages), not just somebody who doesn’t have their shit together.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/24 04:20 PM
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No, telling women to hang tough through domestic violence episodes is the equivalent.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/24 04:16 PM
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Yes, maybe there’s a commonality where they were in long-lasting relationships that began before age 22, so never played the field at a young age. That’s a low-key significant formative experience, having a substantial high-school / 3-4 year-long college relationship. I love me some me but imagine I could be a whole different person if I had that happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 08:36 PM
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I believe you have to go through one or more bad relationships before you can really pull this off, or you could learn by osmosis from someone else’s experience. It’s actually wariness that drives the behavior. Wariness can be of not leading her on—a moral person doesn’t want to love bomb, or it could be wariness of not expressing feelings too soon and being discarded for that reason. If you never had a reason to be wary you might not pull it off.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 04:11 AM
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Mom jeans and 80s hair?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 07:08 PM
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LOL
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 11:05 PM
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A lot of attachment theory experts say you should outsource a minority of your emotional maintenance to another person/people. I have really avoidant attachment style so I've considered how to do this, it does not come naturally to me,
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/24 05:51 PM
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Why the insane part?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/24 05:49 PM
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Oftentimes you have to work in the morning and not have this drag-out right now. I feel like functional couples would schedule a time for battle on the calendar and commit to it, forgetting about the issue until the appointed time.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/24 05:48 AM
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It’s “not like the other girls” with a deep voice.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/24 01:06 AM
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Approaching women ceases to be high-anxiety the more you do it, for better or worse. I find machine-gun approaches lead to less likelihood of “butterflies”. The most reliable upside is that body-language-reading skills should increase dramatically.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/24 02:25 PM
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I find neither statement gross but they’re different to me because the first implies a coupling and wanting to raise a child. The second implies a more enjoyable sexual experience. True nobody actually says either.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/24 01:39 PM
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Does this existential crisis not define modern man? To (childfree) me, the benefits of having one partner are real and accumulate over time but oh so subtle.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 01:36 AM
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Our attractions can be pretty strong, often making mockery of our pride/ego/stoicism etc. Some men are straight-up willing to lay it all on the line aka “some fights are worth fighting even if you lose”. These guys have preset limits to how far they will go but they’ll go far.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 03:35 PM
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Blue Pill: 1) Comfortable with how manifestations of "holding frame", "plate-spinning" and "agree and amplify" play out in real life in most cases. Very uncomfortable with men having discussions of how to get better at these things, and also uncomfortable with naming this phenomena. 2) Slightly less comfortable but still OK with how concepts of SMV and RMV play out in real life, but extremely uncomfortable with putting it in terms like that or 1-10 ratings. The same goes for the direct pursuit o…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 05:28 PM
2

What if they sent you your girlfriend but she is a bird?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/24 05:07 PM
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I guess PNC happens to enough guys, but for me the only reasons for a one-and-done have been subpar performance on my part, her part or logistics.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/24 02:15 PM
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Women who express that attitude on this sub get upvotes and usually one or more heartfelt expressions of gratitude for understanding. In the big picture it’s something that’s hard to change as actual male creeps are so prolific that most women truly have come across a few, so they’re on-guard. Also there are enough vocal people that just get some kind of fulfillment about being afraid of things or expressing that fear, not only in this area. It’s like a hard-wired human tendency or something. Ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/24 01:53 PM
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The kind of guys that are really into alpha male content with enormous need for female deference might.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 10:37 PM
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Im silent because enough women speak on it and have more developed reasons, but the trad trend in general creeps me out viscerally. The tradwife trend feels like WW trading their rights as women for white nationalism; I’m going by women I know of—several—who were into making bread or bonnets or whatever and say their algorithms all of sudden lead them to alt-right/white nationalism. So I assume there’s a pipeline.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 07:27 PM
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Therapy! No contact! Break up! Unfollow! Heal! You don’t wanna do the work?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 01:08 AM
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Does that mean women will nail you to… I mean on the cross.. I mean St. Andrew’s Cross?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 07:35 PM
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Guys that are extremely motivated, even if desperate and shameless, get something eventually as long as they learn from their mistakes. Guys that are desperate and stuck on trying to win over one girl often get restraining orders and no pussy.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 03:00 AM
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Women are more risk-averse on average than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 09:34 PM
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WPI (Worst Possible Interpretation) -- very common assumption here
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 07:37 PM
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The section about dating being hard… that’s kinda hard to believe on face value, that the majority of single dudes are out here disrespecting women and unkempt… idk
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 02:35 AM
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Yeah I can't imagine being marginally satisfied with my dating situation, going to an online group of down-bad women to tell them why they ain't got no man. I don't care what their complaints are.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/24 11:45 PM
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If you’re a woman punching down on down-bad can’t-get-a-date men all day yeah something is wrong with you. Vice-versa is also true.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/24 09:32 PM
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That is no reach. You just have to look around.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/24 07:10 PM
2

In Black Dynamite, they just asked “Brotha, do you wanna live?”
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/24 07:09 PM
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How many humped noses would a hoe hump if a hoe knows how to hump it good?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/24 07:02 PM
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So many narcissists now. Many people are saying this.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/24 03:18 PM
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Yeah they start to get weird toward the end. The showing skin one has some level of truth to it, but it’s more like body-shame than appeasing women.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 05:50 PM
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I have avoidant attachment style and it doesn't work this way at all. What is true is that ANXIOUS attachment style in men is extremely unattractive unless the guy is maxing out one or more LMS. Men aren't allowed to be needy, immediate ick for the vast majority of women. Avoidant isn't an aphrodisiac, it's percieved more like default-masculine.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 06:00 PM
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Lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 06:18 AM
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If she’s live-in, she ain’t a slump buster, she is your match.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 06:03 AM
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But were you not entertained?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/24 05:58 AM
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I can see the logic. But if a guy is both high-value AND taking advantage of all his opportunities, she might want to play it differently by holding back. Chances are he will actually want to slow down at some point. If he’s high-value and equally choosy then freaky is probably the way.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/24 05:32 PM
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No, my one female friend said she’d choose man over bear. She buys into Team Woman generally speaking though and did bring up stuff that made me think about messaging. The other was a group of guys talking about how Andrew Tate or somebody like that is an idiot.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 06:18 PM
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Damn another old guy moment. The last few hookup people I’ve had were regularly scheduled during their non-kid hours.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 05:50 PM
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The raw-dogging part is a stumblingblock for me. The rest, I understand. Women often assume a “good man” is gonna judge her for sluttiness.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 05:36 PM
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Still ratchet behavior. How people here talk about LA is what Atlanta is like for black folks. I saw a woman ask for a cashapp in order to get her phone# there and heard that wasn’t all that uncommon.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 03:34 PM
2

That is extremely ratchet
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 03:27 PM
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How do they empty guys Venmo accounts?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 03:23 PM
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From what I hear and somewhat experienced in NYC, the women are hot. I live near LA and can testify to that here. But NYC has a favorable gender ratio for men so the dating experience is vastly different from what I’ve heard. SoCal doesn’t really have that.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 02:25 PM
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Lot of methamphetamine on tap there
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 02:22 PM
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This is not new. PUA-types aside, being the most quirky unfiltered version of yourself has not usually led to high dating prospects. I remember my luck going up substantially when blanding myself down a bit and not showing my quirkiness until well down the line, and this was pre-social media.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 01:28 PM
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It’s unfortunate but in several IRL outings recently someone has brought up online gender war bullshit. They were expressing bemusement but people are aware of this stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 01:05 PM
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Average guys get lucky once in a while. It’s not perpetual drought. But there’s a reason they call it “getting lucky”.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/24 10:02 PM
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If they're inundated with the men-bad media industry, the understanding isn't that great but it's still more accurate than the average guy's estimation of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/24 04:31 PM
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I feel like the makeup and clothes are working. Lots of women can get male attention whenever they feel like it just by throwing on the right outfit.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/24 12:18 AM
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Men are constantly developing adaptations to figure out the side doors into the female brain in order to access vagina. Once good dick has been laid down, women don’t see straight with respect to said dicklayer.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 11:20 PM
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That’s an exception. Media broadcasts what men like and don’t like to a more accurate degree than what women like. A crude example is the reason for the existence of this pill shit broadly speaking. Women don’t need to guess what turns men on because it’s broadcast on every form of media 24/7. For many guys it’s somewhat of a mystery what turns women on. It’s not some innate superiority of the emotion centers of the female brain, more stuff like the above. Also that women find themselves in male…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 10:43 PM
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I think women understand men better than we understand them. That many attractive women think men are born confident or aggressive is the exception rather than the rule.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 09:43 PM
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Both of y’all hit on something. On IG the lines between a woman just putting cute pics up, getting Cashapps, and OF is blurry. Hell if she’s hot enough somebody will be up in the replies ASKING for the Cashapp. And also this kind of stuff unfortunately motivates the American taliban threatening us with Project 2025.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 02:26 PM
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Schrödinger’s Rizz. Exists and also does not exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 02:18 PM
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Interesting. In my experience, early stagefright is a death knell unless the woman is realllly into you. Also, maintaining confidence through stagefright feels like advanced masculinity.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 06:46 PM
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Post-40 always bluepill first time especially after typical date meals lol
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 04:12 PM
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If the stagefright rate is too high too early in the relationship, good chance the woman won't stick around.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 05:10 AM
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😂😂😂
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 01:42 AM
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Is there an option to chop wood and have a SO understand that is a valid way of dealing with stress?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 01:24 AM
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If women matched male libido the beauty industry would take a hit. I recall mid-00s SF where women were really OK with hooking up. A friend of mine who was more of a beauty afficionado but disdained hookups didn’t like it because women only made the effort to look good required to get sex from a showered OK looking guy, not that required to get the alphaChad’s attention. I don’t know what would become of OF/IG traps, guessing they would decrease in number and influence but actual porn would stil…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/24 06:09 PM
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Yeah they’ll still say the women are used, but more wannabe Chads than wannabe players
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/24 04:50 PM
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Isn’t Chad based purely on looks more so than the other types? Being a Chad, or finding out who sees you as a Chad, is actually the most honorable way to get NSA sex. The other types are doing with lies to some degree.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/24 04:22 PM
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The last sentence with the woman who has an LTR in mind but hookups in between, is a lot more relatable than the other two. If I had extremely high SMV at any point-similar to a cute woman, I’d have 2-4 FWBs at a given time, not 100 randoms per year. With the woman holding out for an LTR, if she’s too good at holding out that’s at least a pink flag for sexual hangups that may not go away even with marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/24 04:08 PM
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Uncommon opinion but undergrad is not an AF/BB environment to the extent it exists at all. Even extremely hot women get curious at some point about different types of guys just because they’re different, as you just explained in full color.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/24 12:14 PM
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There is very little on advising boys/men against BPDish and other cluster B behavior. Advice on how to build attraction is popular for a reason, but in the end problems from abusive relationships >> problems from not getting laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/24 01:09 AM
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Some of them
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/24 05:43 AM
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It was the derriere actually. That was the only time for me. It's hard, pun intended, for me to imagine people doing this on a regular basis. I swore off Wild Turkey ever since.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/24 05:11 AM
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There was one time that Wild Turkey took over and sent all my blood below the waist. Even she was actually attractive below the waist but not above. But she steadfastly refused to stop grinding. No parts of my frontal lobe were down with the situation. All pure reptilian brain. Honestly that’s the only such story. I don’t know what ppl on here are talking about when they say this generally.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 11:31 PM
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Good point. When I’ve actually cold approach it’s from a place of vulnerability, either a) admitting a woman is intriguing enough to make me drop my introversion, or b) more relevant recently: that I’m that desperate for a short courteous conversation and polite smile from a hot woman (the known likely result of said approach) I can see how a good 50% of cold approaches are not from this angle though.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 05:54 PM
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There comes a time in every man’s life, some more than others.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 05:49 PM
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I don’t know why people who defend betabuxxing don’t mention NRE sex. Doesn’t this extremely passionate period assuage BB concerns in most real situations? Also don’t most BB guys have multiple options as a result of their buxxing, as opposed to panhandling for a morsel of attention from attractive women? I understand that previous to that period he may not have been as popular.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 01:00 PM
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It's not problematic. It just is. With OLD we now know that the majority of women think in terms of: Life situation, first. Then find a man according to her life situation. For men who are not ready to have kids (or me who never wanted kids, outside of a 6-month window where I was primarily looking for LTR and met my exwife), we usually decide on whether we want casual, FWB or LTR with a particular woman after interacting with her. It's just a difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/24 05:49 PM
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A bad-faith discussion tactic that is unfortunately highly effective.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/24 03:27 PM
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Good point. Protective doublethink. I know people who both-sides this and other issues protectively. Admitting asymmetry means somebody needs to change in order to be moral. Can’t have that. There is also an assumption of female emotional superiority that is just pervasive everywhere. Just because somebody is capable of feeling more things or has more emotional antennae doesn’t mean that’s an inherently better way to perceive the human experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/24 03:25 PM
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It’s more of a lack of ability than malice. Most women thirst hard after LTRs but not strange dick. My advice would be something like “fuck him enthusiastically and just click personality wise”, which I can’t imagine being helpful. Also a lot of women are drawn to confidence or projections of same. Add to that many here claim to be sapiosexual, demisexual or somewhat asexual. My sex drive or even LTR drive are so far removed from any of that so my advice would be useless.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/24 12:36 PM
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No appeal whatsoever. I will only jerk off analogically.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/24 03:55 AM
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I imagine good dating advice for women written by men exists somewhere, but it won’t be coming from me. Also it seems like more women are concerned with unfortunate-in-dating men than vice versa, in ways both constructive and non-constructive.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/24 03:29 AM
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When I was in my teens or early 20s, getting fake phone numbers did make me feel lower than shoe dirt. It took several times for me to build a thick skin around that. I can think of a few times when women went “ew” or “no just no” upon approach. Some guys have said here that becoming emotionally immune to rejection makes you some kind of sociopath. I disagree, it’s just part of the life journey of a straight man.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/24 02:06 PM
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Welp. /sub
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/24 04:15 AM
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What you just said blue pill is now red pill. Red pill was co-opted by political conservatives just like libertarianism and loony New Agers. As a result all of them have been tainted by the freaking religious right, whatever you thought of them previously. That’s why you have these seemingly edgy folks touting their newfound born-again beliefs. Pretty unsettling.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/24 10:19 PM
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If she's a 9-10 to me and not just attractive generally speaking and you replace "young" with my age preference... if I would marry anyone it would be that woman. It's a creepy thought that someone would check all those boxes, feel chemistry herself and I feel none. This is extremely rare. The only experience I have with that is a female fitness instructor that not only helped me, but was exactly my physical type. For some reason I intellectually knew this woman was my exact physical type but di…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/24 10:05 PM
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lol yeah after several positive experiences with them I’ve had a few women where their morning breath is a turn-on, within reason
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/24 08:18 PM
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If the likelihood of a false accusation is the same as the likelihood of a man harming a woman, it’s like all I have to do is nod and keep it moving? Woman. Easy.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/24 05:07 PM
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Sounds weird but I only think about it with women I’ve seen on a screen or those who have expressed some level of interest. With a hot girl walking around I feel something, enough to know I’m a straight male, but it’s not that intense even in a dry spell. The only time I can remember it being intense was when I had mastered my domain for over 3-4 days in my 20s
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/24 04:55 PM
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Quite a bit in my opinion. There is evidence that in a vacuum, men scan for new partners, think about sex and masturbate more often than women. The gap is statistically significant, but not nearly enough to justify the thirst imbalance generally speaking.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/24 04:14 PM
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A lot of red pill self-improvement stuff is blue pill but in harsh hostile terms designed to create tribal identity.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/24 04:07 PM
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I haven’t done it as often lately but most internet assholes tone it down considerably if you push past the first blast of negativity, even if severe. Some people come in these spaces not to be the most honest versions of themselves, but their worst version. At least at first blush.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/24 02:38 PM
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Women experience the world in more emotional color ranges than men. It’s good to get their perspectives to help me appreciate the little things in life. On my own I experience day-to-day life as uneventful.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/24 02:12 PM
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This place swings between wildly constructive and circus sideshow
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 04:20 AM
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Surprised no one else has pointed this out.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 03:08 AM
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Extremely alpha rite?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 01:26 AM
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/s There’s a comment below as well that sees it this way lol
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 05:42 PM
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Don’t kink-shame
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 01:05 AM
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Is this an anagram?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/24 01:19 PM
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Unless you are that woman's version of Chad or visiting sex workers it's always at least a little sneaky. PUA techniques are a good example.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/24 11:38 AM
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New acquaintances making out at the bar happens quite often. Same level of attraction, women just tend to have a higher bar for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/24 04:47 AM
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Wait, Let me explain something about The Dude.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/24 04:43 AM
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I can see this as justification to not pursue, but if she is pursuing you?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/24 02:53 PM
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I was gonna say NYC, but read in your post history that you're from Montreal. This tracks with everything I've ever heard about Montreal going back 20 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/24 01:13 PM
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If you get a lot of casual sex opportunities as a man you’re doing something right with your life, or you’re genetically blessed. It is totally respectable for a woman who doesn’t want commitment to only fuck guys she’s extremely attracted to. It is also logical for a woman to look for different things for an LTR as opposed to an NSA/FWB situation. Same applies to men for that matter. It is a worthwhile endeavor for a man to make himself attractive for NSA sex opportunities if it isn’t natural f…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/24 01:08 AM
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Wow I really don’t like to inflate my looks but I can relate hard to the first two sentences. Ugh.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/24 01:02 AM
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I’m an older man who thinks younger men have always had it hard dating, at least since the 70s or early 80s, unfortunately along with older people telling them it should be easier.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/24 12:54 AM
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My open-to-debate theory is that we get offers in multiples because social proof spreads the word fast. So the time where a man has an option without having option(s) is pretty short.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/24 12:41 AM
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I totally agree with that, but hard time agreeing with the post you responded to.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/24 10:30 PM
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Women aren’t punished for passivity
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/24 05:59 PM
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Women are half the human race across every ethnicity and nation. No strong feelings purely on the base of gender. Gender, particularly cisgender, is as unique as being right-handed. More information needed to form an opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/24 05:36 AM
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It’s the same reason I used to be asked what kind of zany responses I got from women on dating apps—that was few and far between because women don’t do that, and to the extent it did happen it was their biological clock ticking. They’re not too aware of how gendered dating experience is. They assume since their SMV/RMV shot up in their 20s that it would be the same for a guy who’s about anything, not aware that years-long dry spells are fairly common for guys in their 20s, even the non-ugly empl…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 03:43 PM
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I’m hoping Dr Tara Palmatier hasn’t heeded the alt-right appeal, at least it’s not obvious from digging a month into her Twitter account, seems to stay on task. She was pretty good at addressing this stuff without telling guys to abandon western women, turn racist etc
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/24 10:02 PM
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I think that if a single guy with no dating prospects on a Wednesday afternoon were offered NSA-sex out of the blue they’d do it. The truth is that sexual prospects for guys basically never come like this, but in situations where the guy has some motivation to not be indiscriminate.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/24 04:12 PM
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You only broke up with them because of post-nut clarity. This is the only reason for a man to break up with a woman. You only turned down sex because you had someone hotter lined up to bang within the hour. The other possible reason is that she initiated. If you had been allowed to be in your divine masculine and pursue you would have taken her.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/24 03:59 PM
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When did male virgins start admitting it and expecting women to be OK with their truth? You’re supposed to not bring it up or tell a harmless lie.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/24 02:57 PM
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From what you said, the truth is you experienced rejection on the back end whereas men usually experience it on the front end. The thing about the chase is that men who really like the chase are just as likely to reject you on the back end. Unfortunate that you didn’t get the results you wanted but it’s more likely you have to read between the lines on whether the guy wants an LTR with you, than that the mistake was you showing interest first.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/24 02:49 PM
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Begging and cajoling is not my strong suit. I also heard that it makes men weak and sexually repulsive in the eyes of women. So it’s hard to picture the experiences that lead to women thinking they owe men sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/24 02:35 PM
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Some truth to that. If you’re in an emotionally-abusive situation, self-love is the only way out. No easy path.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/24 02:31 PM
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Whenever I hear this I think that some guy who really didn't believe he was owed sex conned a woman into thinking "Maybe I do really owe him sex".
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/24 12:52 AM
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Honestly, yeah. Setting boundaries and never-agains seems to work, both for me and others. It just doesn’t pop up online much but men in codependent / emotionally abusive situations is damn near a rite of passage. That Key and Peele Meegan waiter sketch isn’t that far fetched.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/24 12:01 AM
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About 30-40% of guys I know have been in one of these.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/24 11:16 PM
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It’s unfortunate because the same left-leaning spaces that are great for empathizing with women’s issues in relationships and issues with NPD partners aggressively give no fucks towards guys who have dealt with BPD or emotionally abusive women in relationships. Hard to find supportive online spaces for this that aren’t trying to run a right-wing grift.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/24 11:10 PM
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The who-pays first-date discussion. It's water seeking its own level. I don't like it but it's a humbling indication that women aren't as attracted in the early stages of dating as men usually are. When they are as attracted, this isn't a thing. Assuming the economic situation of both people are in the same ballpark.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/24 05:23 PM
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Yes, this. I don't need to grab a woman's ass or anything else as a standalone event that's not gonna lead to something more in private, but appreciate when a woman does it to me in almost any context.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/24 04:59 PM
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Exaggeration, but nuggets of truth. In the post-Covid era lots of young people are questioning work. Also wage stagnation and side hustles are rampant. This "soft girl era" shit is part of that. Also, at least with black women they're questioning the "strong black woman" role too. That's a real thing, not something I've only experienced on the internet, and only noticed it in the last decade. That conservation is beyond PPD so I'll stop.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/24 02:13 PM
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This tracks. I see great looking 25 year-olds around every day where I live but at this age (mid 40s) it's almost fuck-all related to interest level. It's not a morals thing either. Theoretically if they came on to me and showed maturity beyond their years something could happen, but that has 0.01% chance of happening and I have 0 interest in initiating anything. 30-35 is like the starting point before even any instinct even begins.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/24 02:54 AM
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Clothes—hardly at all, it’s hard for a woman I find attractive to hide their visual features even when dressed down. Clear heels is an ick for me, that’s about the only exception. That’s for an initial attraction in public. For a date or first meet, when she makes effort it’s appreciated. Body language—good posture has an impact. Head high, shoulders back does make me take more notice than usual. Also women have a way of squaring up to you that is hard to describe but usually a sign of attractio…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/24 10:54 PM
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It's a minority of women but not a small minority, enough that the trolls stay fed and motivated.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/24 06:29 PM
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Not really. I was a degree removed from personal-trainer kind of guys who were living as kept men circa 2020-21.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/24 05:34 PM
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As a great man said "find a substance to abuse and keep it movin"
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/24 05:12 PM
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It's trippier because it "works" often, if the goal is to draw her attention. You see obscenely beautiful women ignore all the positive comments from men to reply to the troll. Unfortunately, I've seen men here say they like seeing that dynamic, assuming it slows down the narcissism of the woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/24 10:36 PM
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Not a personal answer, but I have a theory that exceptionally attractive women are told they’re ugly more often than any other group. Especially if they’re famous or high-profile on social media. Of course, the number of drooling fanboys far outweigh the haters but our brains are wired to tune into the negative unless we consciously overcome that tendency.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/24 08:46 PM
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Reminds me of my freshman roommate in college. Unassuming quiet white guy who pulled baaad mostly black women. Likely just observant of your opportunities. Even extreme hotties go through phases of liking different kinds of guys, especially in college/HS. A guy like me at that time would have a stage and a half of disbelief hence missing these chances lol
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/24 04:35 PM
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I have people skills dammit
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/24 04:46 AM
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Not very often, to be honest, especially when it comes to dating. I'm definining empathize as "I've felt that way too and it sucks to some degree", not "I understand that life experience is different, and can see the downsides" which I feel often. The only exception that stands out is after my divorce when I hopped onto the apps and they were still free and booming. I was leaving texts on read from people who were in the upper third of what I considered attractive, or women who I could easily en…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/24 05:57 PM
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This has been my default state of being when single, in contrast with many women who think of terms of what situation they want then try to find a man for that situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/24 02:23 PM
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It's not strange for women. It would be strange for a man to do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/24 05:32 AM
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The ol’ dignity/dickwet decision
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/24 06:21 PM
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Mmm… more like if you are slightly above average, are shameless and don’t care about rejection rate you can rack up sheer numbers.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/24 06:15 PM
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Well… you have a point. The guys I’m thinking of—shameless is even more accurate than confident—they were a little off. But they racked up high counts. Overall I would not have traded brains with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/24 06:10 PM
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Some people have irrational confidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/24 05:57 PM
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It’s not always detrimental. But absolutely, men have a drive to find out where we stand then either act accordingly or make appropriate moves to be higher in the hierarchy. That’s why at a certain point if it is decided we are a 7, we feel like we deserve a woman who is a 7. If it’s decided we are a 2 we either approach women who are 2s, or opt out of dating until/unless we self-improve. Most men don’t realllly want to be a 2 out here approaching 8s. That’s a completely logical place to start. …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/24 05:54 PM
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The important distinction is that women are disproportionately drawn to displays of confidence. A guy can rank high in these categories, but be outdone with women in some metrics by a guy that is lesser but “puts himself out there”.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/24 05:50 PM
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Aren’t women with less than 5% body fat dead?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/24 03:54 PM
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When I was in 20s, leagues were a pretty solid concept although most wouldn’t admit it in these kind of internet spaces. I could overhear a conversation in a bar and tell how looksmatched the man and woman were just by the words and tone, without actually looking at them. Post 30/35, it hasn’t been as solid. As to the statement, I literally have never as a legal adult been able to develop LTR feelings for a woman who wouldn’t consider me for FWB. It’s like hard-wiring, for better or worse so it’…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/24 10:43 AM
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Past a certain age is 420,69 in that order
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/24 05:03 AM
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These situations are good while they last.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/24 04:00 PM
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Damn. I thought 23-24 was young. That’s when I recall reality hitting me and most of my peers.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/24 08:52 PM
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There’s a lot of life after 28-30 lol
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/24 07:38 PM
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When men want kids, they usually want a relationship. In practice once they start thinking about them, they’re theoretically open to one.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/24 05:46 PM
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There are obvious reasons this isn’t as much of an issue. Physical size being the main one. For better or worse, women owning their sexuality as a currency hence this stuff being a type of robbery as another. I say that as someone who has been coerced into sex under threat of a false DV charge.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 01:21 PM
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Not really, I never talk with other guys about sexual techniques. In good faith it's really hard to picture a guy over 20 being like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 09:40 PM
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I don't buy into pill-speak that much, but didn't one of the founders say men's SMV peaked at 37? Jibes with my experience. I feel like I've begun a graceful decline now, but 39-41 was a lot. I also feel like I put out pheromones or something when getting out of a relationship, whether the breakup was heartbreaking or just slightly sucky.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 09:04 PM
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Convincing a particular woman to want to be with me has never been gratifying in any sense. I have never enjoyed the "hard to get" game at all. I have to admit I have gained some fulfillment from learning to read womens' body language (back when I could, I can't now). The same goes for improving my ability to correctly read subtle hints, learning which social settings in which women were more DTF. But working on increasing a woman's apparent/stated interest from tepid to scalding, no.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 08:10 PM
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I'm officially entering late 40s soon. I'd say 44. The minor bodily breakdowns started to accumulate, along with all this warmup time needed before each workout. Also I don't have kids, don't regret it but it's apparent there are things I don't intuitively understand about society for that reason. For practical purposes I divorced at 39, was in really good physical shape and the apps were booming where I lived so I definitely did not feel it then lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 06:22 PM
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Doing my best to stick with the implications that icks are actually frivolous, that people who do these things could be good people and worthwhile but these actions just strike me the wrong way. Sentences beginning with "A real man would...", "I expect a man to...": In real life, people that utter these things occasionally are still worthwhile sometimes, but it's a huge black mark if I hear a woman saying this. On dating profiles, claims of sapiosexual/demisexual/esoteric sexual orientations. Th…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 06:10 PM
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When I was younger, I considered it a compliment. Hell I still do to some degree. Being 80-85th percentile on your best day doesn’t suck. It’s part of the reason my flair is what it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 04:38 PM
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Being normal is overrated. What if you want to be AB-normal?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 04:00 AM
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They’re functionally lying. I don’t think they see it as virtuous. More of an “it is what it is” thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 03:41 AM
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I’m over 40, went to a university that had decent D1 sports. Also a 6’2-6’3 black man in good shape. College degree, white collar, caught a financial break in my 30s… If a woman is laser-focused on that type I’m the next level down from guys who are really big-time.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/24 11:50 PM
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It's worse because these things aren't issues in the honeymoon period. Some habit of yours becomes annoying after a period of time.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/24 07:46 PM
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"One I know loves to bang prostitutes for free lol it makes him feel some kind of way when he games a prostitute out of her product for free." LMAO
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/24 07:28 PM
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It would be far more acceptable if the guys were top-tier actually. In this case, if she is hot and rolls with trolls that is her actual preference. In cases approximating this in real life, she usually has self-esteem issues. She's likely to sabotage anything we would have verrry early on. A woman who is highly sexual and chooses top-tier guys makes a hell of a lot more sense logically. I can--and have--dealt with hot women who check dudes like me after they failed to get NBA/NFL players to sti…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/24 07:21 PM
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So you would say that after that dick subsides, her idea of her RMV reverts. The tenets of some here are that it permanently adjusts higher.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/24 02:39 PM
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I agree that women's logical emotionally detached brains think this way but actual real-life good dick muddles it. Good pussy does the same for dudes to a lesser degree.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/24 06:32 AM
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Single women that are actually trying to date, be charming or even attracted and the typical woman on this sub might as well be different species.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/24 08:25 PM
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Negatory. I wouldn't trade places with a woman for all the social acceptance in the world, let alone throwing off the best part of maleness, the physical strength.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/24 12:00 AM
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Sincerely interested in why you think it's not OK for women to be horny, excluding "Chad-chaser shaming" which I only see in these parts.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 11:53 PM
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For most single men I've known over 35, mid 20s is not the goal. I only hear about that here. The gap widens over time sure, I notice 47M-38F seems organic now, but at 35 it was more like 35M-29F
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 08:47 PM
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I think more men are clingy but we get it beaten out of us by the time we reach adulthood. When you think of typical female clingy behavior and flip genders, it also presents as threatening. Most people worth a damn don’t want to be threatening so they stop that behavior, one way or another.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 02:38 AM
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Yeah, this spot and actual inceldom are equally wacky.
/r/ExRedPill15/04/24 04:38 AM
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The actual long term problems are when it’s the same argument over and over or when folks are quick to argue. Dealing with women who are slow to argue even if the occasional arguments are huge is better. Honestly if the arguments are frequent or become frequent it just means the thing is no longer working.
/r/ExRedPill15/04/24 04:22 AM
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Personal conflict is hellish for me. I always need a longer cooling off period than women I’m involved with. Some women argue like it’s almost fun. Life is hard enough already.
/r/ExRedPill14/04/24 06:19 PM
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It’s ok. Diplo said it ain’t gay to receive
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/24 08:08 PM
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If she just starts blowing you and her technique is right, 4:1 you gon bust in her jaws.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/24 08:00 PM
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The effort of putting on make up is low risk, even if costly and time-consuming. There is a high ROI on this for women as well. If it were as high for men, we’d be out here looking like the Joker. Social calibration is far from incel myth. If anything the current looks-obsession TRP has makes little sense. When the manosphere’s precursors came aboard from the 70s to 2004 the focus was entirely on social presentation. That a guy could get a haircut, shower and wear a decent shirt was assumed. Bei…
/r/ExRedPill13/04/24 05:39 PM
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That effort is lower stakes and lower risk. Yes, more expensive but probably even less effort since girls and women figure out the cosmetic stuff by age 16-18. Guys have to socially calibrate themselves and grow an extension on our personalities in most cases. This stuff does naturally accumulate for men from life experience but not until age 28-32.
/r/ExRedPill13/04/24 04:40 PM
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I feel you, the only times in my life where I had that “natural appeal” were when I was in significant emotional turmoil. Normal me just gets the occasional girl for whom I’m really their physical type. Did OK when the apps were booming.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/24 12:40 PM
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Wow a succinct good-faith explanation here. My sex drive is not responsive by any means but my flirt drive absolutely is.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/24 12:10 PM
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There’s an expiration date on it but I could roll with it for a while. You said she enjoys slapstick. Interesting since most women don’t. That would be novel for a minute.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/24 12:03 PM
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It’s more that getting to the point of sex is an absolute gauntlet but if you make it there and perform well you can act afool and be tolerated.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/24 11:51 AM
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If you woke up next to damn near any woman, you would likely be hard. Your real standards are anyone who can induce a voluntary erection. Anything else is a social construct.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/24 06:17 AM
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I don’t agree with most of that quote, but I get the sense women get fulfillment out of feeling emotions outside of “happy” in a way that men don’t. Even the least dramatic woman I’ve dated has an idea that a certain amount of conflict is good for sex life whereas I could avoid it for the rest of my life and not miss it.
/r/ExRedPill12/04/24 09:36 PM
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I can see it with respect to the ability to establish initial sexual attraction, which is a whole ass journey into adulthood for a lot of guys. Also we’re more OK with men being visibly homeless. You could also argue that some of the other toxic stuff brought up here is about women having inherent value, so much that powerful people feel the need to control it.
/r/ExRedPill12/04/24 06:44 PM
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You mean if you’re top 10% AND take initiative? If so, yeah. Initiative alone? Nah
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/24 06:29 PM
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I’m very confused on why one would want to change what one is attracted to or how muscle growth ties in to this, or why masturbation is bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/24 03:56 PM
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Sexual orientation is meaningful so gay doesn’t count. Within your orientation, inflated standards are a choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/24 03:36 PM
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Not really. At work, dark triad behaviors and ability to make political alliances come into play. That is unless you’re happy to be an IC which there is nothing wrong with.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/24 01:09 PM
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I know right
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/24 12:26 AM
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Maybe I responded to you because you implicated the women who aren’t celibate are not wholesome. I tend to defend sexual people of both genders.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/24 07:04 PM
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Of course not. But I’m guessing 5% in any dating pool I’ve been a part of over the last 25 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/24 06:31 PM
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Sharing details of sex life with mutual friends is just plain trashy.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/24 06:00 PM
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Sure she does have situationships absolutely. But if she’s on the third date and there has been making out and you have smashed or likely to on the third, she wants you to win that competition.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/24 04:59 PM
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Yeah they don’t have 10-12 situationships, but 2-3, or an ex they’re still fucking or something
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/24 04:26 PM
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AF/BB doesn’t resonate with any reality IME, nor the idea of women being better in any way sexually, at like 21 than 26-27
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/24 12:51 AM
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I don’t see the problem with either. Deception or other negative behavior when the person hasn’t achieved hotness is where it can become problematic. Wanting to be so hot that people consensually fall over themselves is human.
/r/ExRedPill09/04/24 08:23 PM
3

A lot of guys want to be super-jacked and hot so they can bang a lot of women without being deceitful, sneaky etc.
/r/ExRedPill09/04/24 08:02 PM
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Right, I can see women feeling raw lust more often than men feeling whatever you call that. Wanting to be in love for its own sake without having a specific woman in mind is pretty foreign.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/24 07:47 PM
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The vast majority of 23-25M are genetic groupies but around 28-32 the guys can be a lot choosier, have hotter/more educated women.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/24 06:51 PM
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Yeah I dont know man. This sub resonates with me on certain things but does not resemble reality in others. Average dudes are paired up with cute-enough women everywhere I look. And yeah yeah AF/BB but in circles I’ve been in the women seem really attracted to their future stable husbands and the BB guys basically became stations on the cock carousel until they settled down.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/24 06:22 PM
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This doesn’t acknowledge women’s LTR-thirst which is not the same as raw sex drive but is a really powerful motivator for them. It also tends to be laser-focused on individual dudes so those who get little attention from women the first stage of receiving attention, especially if subtle is often disbelief, followed by flabbergastion.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/24 03:58 PM
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“Facing the guy” is a good one rarely mentioned. It really freakin stands out when it happens.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/24 04:46 PM
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There are a whoooole lot of guys who don’t buy into the new/used analogy but only care about the vehicle’s condition and appearance. I had no idea dudes anywhere still cared about “count” until a year ago. Based on the people and media I interacted with I honestly thought that line of thinking died around 1998.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/24 02:40 PM
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There are lots of women of View 1, when you hang around women who really don’t like being single which is still the majority. Men don’t get to view 2, we aren’t really wired that way. It’s a matter of how much it takes for us to be inspired into being proactive. Very very few of us expect results in dating with no social effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/24 02:05 PM
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I'm OK with the age limit being designed to let kids get out of high school before fucking adults.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/24 11:34 PM
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Right now today, starting from scratch it's even. Given most practical barriers, it's gonna be the male celeb. For Plain Jane to keep up, she has to be completely and utterly shameless or become a SW (which is a field full of near-normal women who have the opposite mindset from dick-is-ick). An in-demand guy's reputation is only enhanced by his prolificacy while Plain Jane would take a hit to her reputation that would actually drive some guys away. So over a time period, I'd go with the male cel…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/24 11:27 PM
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I'm not sure about quantity but quality absolutely
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/24 11:20 PM
1

Whoa that was gross!
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/24 04:51 PM
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That sounds like something I hear that many people are saying. Somebody should be looking into this.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/24 04:48 PM
0

Isn’t Ayesha Curry the avatar for pick-meism?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/24 04:47 PM
4

Well damn
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/24 04:39 PM
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Wow you don’t hear this often
/r/ExRedPill05/04/24 12:48 PM
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“If a girl is really into you, you’ll know” is not true because women undercommunicate their interest often, but if they flake they never were more than slightly interested.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 12:45 PM
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Logically the desire to have kids blows holes in all that stuff 🤷🏾‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 11:33 PM
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Great exchange. On other side, nicing your way into some good situations is soooo freaking validating. I didn't experience this in its fullness until late 30s but it's the reason for my flair.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 05:16 AM
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I’ve heard—but cannot find—that the size of the part of the brain dedicated to scanning for new sex partners is just 2-3x bigger in men. Just antennae
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/24 10:05 PM
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I think the reason is that a significant minority of guys have used the high libido as an excuse for non/-social behavior that is not justified by high libido alone. Even for teenagers if you take the “you ain’t a real man if you can’t get none” dogma off the table that behavior would decrease substantially, which IRL you’re starting to see already.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/24 09:22 PM
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There are many cases where men pay and it’s a flat-out signal of dominance or prosperity that they enjoy displaying. This happens enough that this custom won’t fade away anytime soon. There’s only a small sliver of men that don’t fit the category above or who don’t need to do extra because of the correctly named balance of interest.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/24 03:51 PM
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I kinda think women with extremely high standards for hotness have a lot of self-respect. Reads similar as BDE to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/24 02:30 PM
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I can’t speak to always having boldness in approaching and yeah post-metoo I wouldn’t approach U25 women either but I’d aged out of that anyway by then. I mean being intimidated by whatever pre-existing dick she might have had. As you said, the more open to guys she is general, the more likely she’s open to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/24 01:58 PM
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I can relate. In everyday life acting sexually indifferent, avoiding eye contact with attractive women out of respect comes naturally. Doing whatever when looking at thirst-trap pics/vids also… comes naturally. Double-entendres, flirty banter, light escalation and things of that nature hardly ever feels natural to me. When it does, it’s usually a woman acting a certain kind of way, exhibiting restrained lust herself that does it. I can’t even say alcohol is a factor.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/24 01:43 PM
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When did we as men decide not to have this attitude? This was the default setting when I was a teenager/ 20s.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/24 10:23 PM
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Man I just realized this recently… women are going to keep trying to look hot even in a relative scarcity of attention from “good men”. Purely competing for male and female likes on social media, but mostly due to peer pressure. One of the “fears” I had about so many guys giving up on dating altogether—mostly with a whimper IMO—was that we’d naturally see less beautiful women over time. I’m now thinking that won’t happen from just observing the way women compliment each other for looking sexy. T…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/24 07:53 PM
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#3 is the only one that is unique to women out of this. A lot of guys fo give "just be confidemt, bro" advice but it's usually in good faith from guys who are successful in dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 05:37 PM
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Also casual sex with somebody who is highly attractive is a W in and of itself, even if he had hopes things would go further.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/24 05:32 PM
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Tracks. This guy was likely ditching other shady people in his life too. He had a white-collar job but looking back the crew was grimy. I was like the neighbor who popped in to play cards now and then, so peripheral.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/24 05:25 PM
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I knew a guy who lived this weird bizarro life. I only met him at the tail end of it. I have no earthly idea how he pulled 8-10s, but he was burnt out from their drama by the time I met him. They were just in his circle by that time and it was known that many of these girls were his ex-something-or-other. Soon afterward, he married and settled down with a woman who wasn’t as visibly attractive as those in his circle. The most likely reason is that he saw this woman as a mother for his kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/24 02:16 PM
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Do I get to remain friends with some of them after I’m done hooking up? Hot cool female friends can generate a good social life outside of sex/dating. If so, this could go on for quite some time with me, especially post divorce. Actually the only downside to this would be if I’d wanted to have kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/24 10:01 PM
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Agreed. Some guys here believe they’ll lose their enthusiasm for women if they inure themselves to rejection. Trust the process, in all likelihood you won’t. You’ll get your immunity well before 800 matches or 8000 swipes too.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 09:12 PM
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If you define using people as dishonesty that’s fair. I’d argue that if you could be turned on by or enjoy being with somebody who didn’t fit your “standards” your standards/window just weren’t where you thought they were.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 06:05 PM
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Apart from places like this sub, I get the feeling substantial numbers of both genders are retreating from dating. A visible but small minority of both genders are freaking out that people are pulling back. A lot of women don’t really want men like that, and more men than you would think are demotivated IRL by thirst traps and lack of funds. Women still want to look good but get sufficient validation from women in many cases.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 05:48 PM
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A season for everything
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 05:00 PM
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Clubs have never been good options for meeting women for me unless I had a Chaddish buddy who is also super extroverted and stylish. After a certain time of night they’re just sausage fests, like 3 hours before closing time that’s about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 12:33 AM
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I’ve only really observed like the wall with women around 35 looking to have a child. I ran across many in OLD who seemed to be searching desperately. Other than that, women become more confident in that they want who they want and don’t feel the need to breadcrumb those they don’t. This is almost certainly tied to their having less “icks” as they’re not spending time with dudes they’re only marginally attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/24 03:21 PM
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Upvoted, but even rich black folks get those reminders from time-to-time.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/24 03:08 PM
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I wonder if men had the same attention ROI from selfies if we would see more male thirst-traps. As it is the physique standards for men to thirst-trap successfully >>> physique standards for a man to bang a hot woman after a date or two.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/24 05:58 PM
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Good point. “Turned on” needs to be defined. Does a boner start growing? No. But there is some kind of hormonal kick. There are more women that register with men on looks alone than vice-versa though.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/24 02:53 AM
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“I don’t think it’s wrong… just don’t understand getting worked up because somebody calls it disgusting…” Trollolololo
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/24 12:39 PM
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I left Christianity some time ago, but seeing it used not for morals at all but its symbolism purely for nationalism, fascism and subjugation is so disappointing.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 03:54 PM
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That last paragraph is some disturbing shit to witness up-close.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 02:45 PM
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You had me at the first two paragraphs ngl
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 02:44 PM
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There are women that are high value but not my exact type physically. For them it would be the former. The likelihood of either awkwardness during sex or her becoming attached when I don’t want that is high. There is the chance of good sexual chemistry negating all that but in my experience it’s not that high. For women that are high value and my type, the latter. This is somewhat true regardless of value levels—I’m defining value by how hot she’s considered by males in general—but for the first…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 06:59 PM
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I’ll take it a step further. I think it’s about the bar that a man she is already fucking needs to meet for her to continue fucking him.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 06:38 PM
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True, once you have a committed LTR you can really just focus on not falling off as opposed to increasing fitness, as far as maintaining attraction is concerned. 3x per week is enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 06:08 PM
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100% this. At bodybuilder level there are diminishing returns and that’s what they usually mean when they say muscles don’t matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 06:06 PM
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Like judging a basketball player by their shooting form instead of percentage of made baskets.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 01:52 PM
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Yeah even if you don’t base your entire self-esteem out of it, judging your sexual attractiveness as a straight man on something other than women’s judgment is bizarre.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 12:34 PM
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The pursuit of casual sex is a worthwhile endeavor for men, at least for a season. The social, conversational and also the sexual skill learned in that process will not only help a man in dating but in other areas of life. Even if it’s an utter failure in terms of the “goal”, what you learn about yourself and other people can be valuable. I also think everybody should experience an LTR at least once for similar reasons, but that wouldn’t be downvoted as much.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/24 06:15 AM
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Yes this! Looking at normie Reddit has helped me understand why RP is popular. The advice is so wacky on here.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/24 06:06 AM
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Not in a vacuum. A lot of people online want to infantilize the younger adult in these situations.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/24 12:30 AM
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On some level of my consciousness, I believe that only two kinds of men are worthy of sex with women: 1) Those built like greek gods 2) Those of average appearance but with extremely good voices, either deep or narrator-worthy. Every other guy manages through plum luck and should have impostor syndrome. Again, my logical brain doesn't believe the above.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/24 05:17 PM
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There are more men who can't get dates than women who can't get dates, so this assumes you're identifying quality differently. If you're evaluating this by "ability to communicate well throughout an LTR" or something yes women and men are extremely equal.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/24 05:12 PM
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Delivert
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/24 04:11 PM
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Honestly I have only heard of this third-hand, maybe even just on the Internet. I’ll I know guys’ behavior varies and I’ve heard enough weirdness from trustworthy sources. One could go through a whole life and not know somebody who’s experienced this.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/24 03:36 PM
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What you describe is more of a narrow window than high standards. I can totally relate to that. More guys of mid-high SMV do this without the self-awareness they’re doing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/24 03:05 PM
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Lastly, I am thinking back over the last 30 years and... while it's all been going on, at least in the 00s the boys who were down on their luck weren't dehumanizing me for not biting. I blame online culture for that. The worst specimen I ever met before my abusive ex was a BMOC who thought he was entitled to women's bodies because... guy, I guess. Thought I looked pretty with his painted handprints around my neck. Sorry you had that experience.
/r/ExRedPill16/03/24 01:08 AM
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If somebody figures out the link between your post and the one above it, they’ll figure the streets out.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/24 12:46 AM
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You should do the broad appeal thing first, then once you make some progress with that narrow it down.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/24 12:38 AM
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You don’t hear often from men or women on here that men of any age can get some whenever they feel like it, let alone HS… OK 🥃
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 10:21 PM
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Umm… it takes two?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 10:11 PM
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Plenty of guys who didn’t flirt in high school who tweaked this or that or gained life experience and slayed in their 20s or 30s. Also damn near every HS boy is jerking off 50-leven times per day unless he is very devout, in which case he devotes a HUGE amount of time to “keeping his thoughts pure”. Most people have an inner freak, with absolutely no correlation to comfort level around their preferred gender or self-confidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 09:52 PM
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Somebody should be looking into this. Many people are saying it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 08:21 PM
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Well, this isn't exactly a dating advice sub... This and other subs that touch on these subjects or male mental health in general tend to draw young men who are struggling with dating. ​ Some of the men who swan in here are behaving in subhuman ways toward the women they want to have relationships with and mate, that is wrong. A lot of people assume the WPI (Worst Possible Intentions) of dudes asking for advice. Sometimes justifiably--I notice when guys start off sounding reasonable then go off …
/r/ExRedPill15/03/24 03:44 AM
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That post nailed half of it. Men who are really struggling with dating pop on here looking for dating advice, and told: They are wrong for looking for any dating advice whatsoever. Women have individual tastes and it is useless to learn any conversational skills to increase your appeal. Showers are the only acceptable method of self-improvement. The truth is if you're struggling really badly, there is bound to be some basic stuff you can work on internally or externally. Conversational skills us…
/r/ExRedPill15/03/24 12:18 AM
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It’s far easier for a guy to attract his “looksmatch” when both are 37 than when both are 27, semen quality notwithstanding.
/r/ExRedPill14/03/24 09:56 PM
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I would have said the same six months ago, but in wondering how the hell people get redpilled, following this very specifically anti-redpill rhetoric is a contributor. Either way there’s a flavor of wackiness that is the opposite of red pill, semantics be damned.
/r/ExRedPill14/03/24 09:43 PM
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I’ve learned that from Reddit. Blue pill isn’t just lack of red pill, but its own philosophy that is every bit as off-balance in its own way as red pill.
/r/ExRedPill14/03/24 12:52 PM
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Yeah it makes sense practically even for guys looking for LTRs. A good sexual performance is a foot in the door more often than not. Women are more often open to sex when their “guard is down”… yadda yadda yadda etc
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/24 04:47 AM
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Sure if you change roles around, they’d experience the same systemic problems. RP might not be as popular with women in this case if you forget you throw in “Failure to get a woman is a key symptom of loserdom.” IRL I sense that maxim is losing power and a lot more guys are just content to game and be lazy since dating isn’t as much of a rite of passage thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/24 03:45 PM
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That sounds reasonable. I was react to the original comment positing that men didn't communicate in relationships correctly. Assuming either gender has a better communication method is falsism.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/24 07:15 PM
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It is by definition basically. If--and that's a big if to me btw--there is a systemic problem in male/female relationships it's because neither party is relating to the other well. If you think you're relationshipping correctly and it's not working, usually you're not doing it correctly. Something like not matching "love languages".
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/24 04:53 AM
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Even with friends first, there can be change in expectations when the relationship is supposed to get more serious. Going through that right now, challenging obstacle.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/24 04:50 AM
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"with the guys they really wanted to be with" From what I've seen on Reddit most redpillers will assume she just got rejected or pumped-and-dumped by Chads so whatever
/r/ExRedPill10/03/24 06:51 PM
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If you’re 25 this is a good plan. 30 not-so-much but hopefully your luck with out-of-college women increases substantially at that point.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/24 07:29 PM
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It also assumes that men are more right-wing than women by nature. But do we know that? Wow that's a fascinating question. I don't think the answer is yes, though. Men have the most to gain by both being rebellious and appearing to be, but that can go between left and right IMO.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/24 06:24 AM
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Well damn. But from experience on both sides, that’s exactly what’s going on. That Escapism song is not fiction.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/24 10:51 PM
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There’s not much room for anger or morality in any of this once you get used to it. The manosphere and its predecessors exist because there is always a steady stream of guys getting smacked with this in the face. Or at least since the 70s.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/24 09:52 PM
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Honestly these answers resonate with my experience. Didn’t expect that.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/24 02:45 PM
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Sensing “just broke up” energy is not that easy to do unless you’re in the same place, but even more important than alcohol.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/24 02:41 PM
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Women don’t really have a wall except for the biological clock factor. When they need to have that baby now, they will settle. Outside of that factor, the wall for both men and women is more of a hill of slowly increasing difficulty.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/24 07:14 PM
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When I was 22 I didn’t consider having the typical male sex drive fun, but starting about 27 and afterward, yeah I prefer it this way.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/24 03:03 PM
5

I have never heard #4. Stealing.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/24 03:22 AM
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Pussy-free: Really, look it up. It's the best fit. What about white pill? Urban dictionary has this term v-cel that never caught on. V-cel is a sub-category of volcel which also might apply here.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/24 05:32 AM
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Men are greatly overrepresented in the most heroic of people as well as the most evil. When you think about soldiers in just wars, first responders, discovering medicines, and other greater good kind of stuff men are overrepresented there as well. As with most things men are more often outliers, both for better and worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/24 05:20 AM
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Women send signals often but they're more like invitations to the field of 64, not a spot in the championship game.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/24 01:51 AM
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12 seconds is a long time for eye contact. Watch out for your kidneys.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/24 01:42 AM
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Enough people say this for it to have some merit but I have a hard time believing it. My hot take is that there’s almost such thing as a 10 woman* hell there could be more 10 men than 10 women, but way way more 7-9 women than men. *universal 10. Every dude has his own idea of 10 that is so hot to him that he feels unworthy to be bothering her.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/24 05:23 PM
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Outside of this sub, I’d think Congress banned cold approaches in 2012.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/24 05:16 PM
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Events and house parties are the true areas of “warm approach”. Some people say bars but I disagree, that’s just cold approach with alcohol. It is also extremely easy to fall into an orbital where you’re never invited to an event or house party.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/24 05:14 PM
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I’m not talking about OF or SW, more like little perks on a consistent basis that add up. I also think women aren’t born knowing how to work it to their favor, but many learn how.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/24 03:27 PM
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I was gonna make a burner account just to try it. Carpal tunnel be damned.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/24 02:32 PM
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You’re underestimating the pure physicality too, actual vaginas are much better than fleshlights. Making out with a woman who approves of your body >> porn 99% of the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/24 02:31 PM
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There are plenty of women who can convert male thirst to other types of useful energy.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/24 02:27 PM
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That proves his point. Women don’t follow men in the same manner despite the low effort. 100,000 is also a lot for an hour. That is 30 accounts per second.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/24 02:13 PM
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Yeah, usually it’s really attractive women who think men are born confident or that there’s not REALLY such a thing as a shy guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/24 02:09 PM
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NYC?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/24 07:57 AM
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The most pure form would be a measurement of brain wave activity or something. Since your question is about her showing desire, if she truthfully honestly charted her time spent fantasizing about person X and shared that with people. The question is leading to whether ONS or LTR desire is more real. I’d say if she’s masturbating to you repeatedly it’s more real than either.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 06:25 PM
1

Yup.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 04:44 PM
1

No. I tend to date women who are very sexual, even for LTRs.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 04:42 PM
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But that’s like being sad I’m know getting flown out by Drake like an IG baddie. I was under the impression that this whole thing impacts women as well, driving the market for male attention/likes-thirst that is almost completely separate from the market for actual STRs/LTRs with males.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 02:33 AM
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I think for those guys it’s a bit of a cop out of having to put in any effort into anything “if I can’t be Chad life isn’t worth living” cope thing. Trying to steel-man that, and using the crass 1-10 system, most women who are generally 6s are gonna be 9-10 for a good number of guys based on physical appearance alone, especially if she smiles at him. So half of women or more know what it feels like to have somebody very interested without providing much social proof so speak of (for better or wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 02:03 AM
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I might be showing my age. It's been 15-20 years since I've been around of group of guys like that. Most in my circles have been in relationships at all points since, so that banter is different. Even then, single the dudes I knew (myself included) who met women 6-10 years ago were all doing it on the apps, so you didn't have that banter for that reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 01:53 AM
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This genre of internettery was all focused on guys improving their "game" or faking-it-until-you-make-it with confidence back in the early '00s. I didn't look at this stuff much between 2006-2023 so this predates the term Red Pill. I'm thinking Red Pill was early 2010s and you say it was still focused on more actionable stuff like that. The looks focus here is bizarre to me. I guessss it makes sense in the light of Chadfishing, but there are only so many Chads, you're talking top 0.1% physique g…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/24 04:10 AM
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I don’t think SMV is even a meaningful concept for women. I’d define it for men as something like “ability to get into NSA-sex situations”. By this definition the majority of women have decades of having super-super-high SMV. Whereas for most men, we have some kind of journey of earning SMV or learning how to generate it, starting from a point of low SMV.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/24 03:07 AM
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Insults aside, I understand it. You’re saying those assumptions should be challenged. I’m saying they’re just kind of true, unless you radically reconfigure our culture.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 06:14 PM
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I don’t think so. What’s implied is that her only agenda is winning on her own behalf or her loved ones. This, as opposed to trying to suss out objective truths or determine who was right, wrong and to what degree. It’s more of an accusation of bad faith than an accusation of utter stupidity.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 04:11 PM
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It’s a bitter “pill” but accepting these truths, go through the stages of grief, adapting and adjusting are path. In dating situations in particular, especially in ages 21-28, women are superior. They change the rules and men jump. I have no recent experience with this but it was like that back in my day, sounds the same now. The playing field levels a bit after those ages but it’s still worth attempted dating at that stage, for the experience if nothing else. But it’s good to realize the situat…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 03:34 PM
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Lol yeah if you feel the need to compete with other dudes for pussy that won't do it... or if you need to feel like she thinks "dick is ick" except for yours.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 06:59 AM
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SW is starting to normalize to the point this is changing. If a guy can search for an exact physical type, even with particular hobby interests or sexual turn-ons, the game changes. A physical brothel couldn't provide all this choice, but virtual.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 06:54 AM
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Nah, but the opposites are true.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 06:39 AM
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Refusing to meet at a bar being a dealbreaker... Breaking off pursuit because she said "bro"
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 06:34 AM
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2 out of 3 guys in the example you listed basically had frivolous icks that stopped them in the pursuit of casual sex. Whatever the hell is behind that, it's the opposite of putting women on a pedestal.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 06:29 AM
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It would come back again, not because a lot of men are evil and violent, but because the evil violent outliers tend to be prolific, especially if given the chance.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/24 01:06 AM
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When I think of assholes who got women, they were fun to be around much of the time but their jerkish times were more frequent than other men and also worse. On assholes who got no women (just as common), they were grumpy and complaining 24/7 without much of a fun side.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 06:47 PM
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It’s already happening and it’s terrible for the most part because of the political atmosphere right now.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 03:55 PM
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It’s a weed-out. Get the ones you want to keep, but you’ll lose most of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 01:30 PM
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In a committed relationship you’re more likely to have a fuck-sleep-fuck-repeat lazy weekend day. Also the committed person is more likely to be your ideal type or done the necessary to become your ideal, and you theirs. So at least for a few years there’s gonna be hot sex by definition. That often wears off, but we’re talking a few YEARs of great sex which is cool.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 07:47 AM
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If I’m attracted enough to go on 2-3 dates in the first place, no. After becoming more mature and learning some hard lessons, I would say something about the pace of it’s too much too soon but not lose attraction automatically. If she brings up having a baby prior to meeting in person or on the first date, that’ll be a wrap but I never wanted kids. So that’s not a frivolous ick borne of an abundance of options but a fully adult deal breaker.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/24 10:00 PM
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You’re not disagreeing with me but I guess you strike the right tone for this sub
/r/ExRedPill19/02/24 09:52 PM
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I recommend smut You have my vote
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/24 06:43 AM
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I think there's something to it. I get the feeling in the air that women who need a "real man" with "provider energy" are finding those guys are little harder to come by, or definitely finding it harder to get them to commit. Similar to the Chad, I don't think there are enough of these women to significantly slant the dating scene for everyday folks but it's just an opinion, I'm not married to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/24 05:43 AM
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Haha, this is true. I have no motivations to lie anonymously but some people are wired weird.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/24 03:21 AM
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The best version of a man is bound to be highly competent at something. If he has an opportunity to display this, he will be attractive to many women. I'm not saying this man would bang all these women but the chances will be there. What examples of a man becoming the best version of himself would not increase his attractiveness to women?
/r/ExRedPill19/02/24 02:20 AM
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That makes more common sense, but Reddit BPers are extreme sometimes. Interacted here with a few claimed to never feel it at all. A few claimed to genuinely enjoy sex once it began, but never feel lust prior to the act. ​ There was someone who claimed to never feel lust until good sex had happened with a guy, never asked what motivated her to slip, fall and land on his dick in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/24 01:16 AM
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Maybe it wasn't you individually.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/24 01:13 AM
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You could take "could" as meaning "has the options to", in which case the best version of damn near every man is gonna be attractive to a lot of women.
/r/ExRedPill19/02/24 01:10 AM
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There are women on here who say they never feel lust. I don't buy that as a general trend, but there are some teeth to this philosophy.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/24 11:41 PM
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Most guys aren’t in a position to do that
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/24 08:14 PM
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Purple, but might go red if I was around many women openly sharing Mr. Alpha. I have actually been in a circle like this, but it was just one. Even then, the women were jostling to be #1, not content to be just on the depth chart. Might go bluer if it was proven that over the ages of puberty-to-55 women spend just as much energy repressing horniness as men.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/24 11:59 PM
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When their entire moral compass changes based on who their close relationships are, usually who they’re dating. For some reason when men do this, it presents as dimwitted to me, not creepy. When you see them make a serious false accusation, knowing they may be taken seriously due to situational social leverage. It does not hit this way in text, but debates or arguments where a woman constantly “moves the goalposts”. When men do this, there are subtle tells that indicate they know they’re being d…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/24 08:29 AM
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Yes
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/24 02:03 AM
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Going by observation of this forum, these young guys are led to believe lies somehow. Also from what you find in other Reddit spaces I can see how inexperienced guys who turn to Reddit end up believing it. Folks really double down on the “you must be a bad person” narrative. Had to see it to believe it. I didn’t know until recently how delusional Reddit dating advice could be. On either side. I’m old going by my flair. I don’t remember ever ever thinking looks didn’t matter, but was led to overe…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/24 07:56 PM
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Yeah it sounds like an off-the-books alternative birth control tradition proposed by the People of Praise cult.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/24 03:41 PM
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What is particularly unappetizing for you about this?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/24 03:12 PM
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Does a woman's personality/kindness/niceness elevate her ability to sexually succeed with you if you found her physically unattractive? Are women led to believe this? I thought women were bombarded with the importance of looks... Men are gaslit to overrate the importance of same. "Be a gentleman" and such.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/24 05:59 AM
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It’s more that women who are really into the top guy are loud and open with it so it stands out.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/24 05:43 AM
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Interesting question. It’s asymmetrical because vying for female attention apart from vying for vagina (ST or LT) doesn’t really exist for men, whereas it’s at least the background noise of this discussion. To the degree the above is not a factor, there’s some overlap between the concept of sexy in this usage and health and vitality. There is a male conversation that uses those terms.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/24 02:38 AM
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Nurse Ratched vibes
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/24 07:54 PM
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Art qualifies as “doing something” though
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/24 02:34 PM
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“Unless it’s to show how mentally strong you are after you already overcame…” You’ve got something there. I disagreed with that trope here, but actually it’s this exception that qualifies it. Bringing up negative feelings in this context increases arousal IME. Current unresolved existential crises, not so much.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/24 02:21 PM
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Yea, in my early 20s when I was angry, hitting soft furniture with a baseball bat, one time really hard, would take me from a 10 to a 2 for the foreseeable future.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/24 02:16 PM
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SMV is very much of a reality for men especially U35. I can see how it’s not as relevant for women, especially in that bracket.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/24 06:51 AM
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I thought I heard of a culture where young guys basically fuck “ladyboys”/transwomen for casual sex, and marry ciswomen mostly for bearing children. My gut tells me this is not better but the OP isn’t stating something unheard-of.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/24 07:01 PM
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I… still don’t. I had a positive experience with apps in 2017-2019. Haven’t been “single-single” since then but know the apps aren’t popping like they were. But you sound like also remember when you had to find dates in person… why was that better to you than the apps (pre-Covid or post)?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 09:44 PM
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I thought the apps would solve more issues than they did. I remember when risking getting shot down in bars was a rite of passage, and for women if they wanted to hook up they had the more respectable cover of a first online date, than clearly picking up a stranger from bars. Vocal posters are outliers here, but I’ve learned about the unknown unknowns of the dating apps.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 09:21 PM
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If I perceive somebody as truly being that high-value, I’m thankful for every day with her but also feel like I’m playing with house money. Being possessive, controlling and insecure is kinda dumb because she was already out of my league to begin with. The only side I could see being somewhat dark is that if she wants me to be a little bit possessive and controlling I wouldn’t even be that.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/24 07:16 AM
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Two baby mommas and a tattoo saying “Only God Can Judge Me” and you’re in!
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 08:46 PM
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I don’t know, even when I was 20 years old and not confident in many ways, I never felt like I needed to be planting a flag in that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 08:06 PM
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I internalized years ago that these things weren’t worth trying until you were good at it, or else embarrassment or worse was likely. Life hasn’t really debunked it, as I spat my lame game typically in places no one else would remember that I had to be around often. The “bad boy” was just naturally good at this stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 06:45 PM
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Mainstream society does. There is a loud section of non-redpillers on Reddit shouting denial of this.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 06:40 PM
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Are you looking for blue-pill advice from Reddit, or from normie life situations? Reddit blue pill advice can get really crazy.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 06:34 PM
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On one hand I think approaching people and being rejected many times is good for character building, regardless of gender. On the other, if you’re hot enough to be passive or satisfied with being asexual or inhaling the endless thirst traps of the modern time, I can’t say you’re wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 04:58 PM
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Some guys do get clear indications though, and are used to acting on those alone. Is this strategy meant to weed out those guys?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 03:54 PM
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Everyone on this board has seen this happen lol
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 03:47 PM
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Well, before I walked in doesn’t count because she ain’t seen me. Also even if I was there that means I’m #6 out of 100 or more if the place is packed. If she’s cute and thinks I’m 94th percentile that’s cool.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 03:27 PM
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It does work if you have no shame, but you also have to be not picky. If so, yeah mass pestering works if you’re just looking for anybody that’s willing.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/24 04:31 AM
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I don’t mean in the agreeable sense. I mean in stuff like drama-loving, always up in people’s relationship business, male and female. I mean doing shit-tests in the way women do them but on men and women alike, tweaking the ones on women to spark sexual interest. These dudes like the EMOTIONAL part of rizz/game/flirting in and of itself. For most of us this is just a means to an end, whether an STR or LTR. Being an emotional wreck that is an asshole then shows his softer side works extremely wel…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/24 03:27 AM
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Those kinds of brains are fascinating. The brains of who sleep around a whole bunch have minds like this too. I knew a few guys I thought of as straight males with female brains.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/24 01:58 AM
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For a lot of people here, being cheated on is the worst thing that can happen in a relationship that doesn’t involve maiming or death. This has to be related. Honestly, jealousy and possessiveness have never resonated with me. Monogamy only seemed like an implement to save face, that and knowing your kids are yours but I never wanted kids. Always thought there were worse things that could happen in a relationship too, and unfortunately experienced some of those.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/24 01:49 AM
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If his social awkwardness or personality completely counteract his statistics, I wouldn’t say he’s high-value. I think of high-value the same as SMV or RMV so it’s determined by how well he comes across with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/24 08:53 PM
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Nobody with manners wants to hit on, or be caught glancing for too long, at somebody who probably doesn’t want to be on the receiving end. Hence, containing sexual desire is virtuous much of the time for people who are attracted to lots of people.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/24 05:49 PM
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I have some blue-pulled views, mainly not sold on how widespread AF/BB or extreme hypergamy are, but many Reddit BPers are off the wall.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/24 05:42 PM
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In LTRs, periodical hookups and I’d even say controlled mixed-ratio settings of even hotness levels it evens out. Taking into account other circumstances dudes are hornier.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/24 04:05 PM
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Right, most aren’t most of the time and some never do but most guys have had this happen a few times, especially those on the dorkier side. Sometimes if a friend group finds out, they’ll ostracize the girl but that’s after she displays a pattern.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/24 03:17 AM
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It's a ludicrous assertion, but it even goes beyond that. I only began looking at this sub less than a year ago and that was the entirety of my experience with dating advice on Reddit until the last two weeks. The bluepill advice on Reddit can get really nonsensical, just as much as the redpill stuff. It's significantly more delusional that what you encounter in person. The exrp sub is a good example among others. I'd venture that bluer-pilled advice on Reddit is a large factor in sending guys d…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/24 01:36 AM
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Wow didn’t know about that
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 10:01 PM
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It is weird that the less thirsty/horny/interested in new partners gender is the far better dressed and primped whenever they go out. I understand logically how it came to be, but it’s odd.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 09:33 PM
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These are things that when women over say 28 do it, they are huge green flags. From first and second hand stories, women younger than that can often do half those things just to mess with guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 08:20 PM
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Some of that has moved to IG as I imagine the social proof is a more rewarding process for women. Also, nobody says it here but it is very hard to imagine the free available thirst-trap and porn industry hasn’t lowered guys’ motivation to either try to date or put their best foot forward. This would be due to both the impact of seeing the women and also seeing who the hot girls are dating. I honestly don’t know if I’d be motivated to date at all if I was 25.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 07:32 PM
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SMV flip is too far, but men’s SMV becomes higher with age in the majority of cases. A lot of women just drop out altogether in their 40s but those who make efforts don’t experience a massive SMV drop. I feel like SMV only really matches in adulthood among recent divorcees. You can argue a generalized RMV drop for single moms simply because U40M looking to start a family usually want a woman with no kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 07:03 PM
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I think hookup culture has dried up in the last five years based on data, but in the 2010s it still existed, it had just moved online. The apps were free and thriving. Roe and long Covid have to have had an impact.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 06:43 PM
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Amongst my extended peer group, it was basically universal that we were treated as “higher value” post-30 than at 22-25
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 06:21 PM
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I can see how concepts like SMV and RMV are more pertinent to mens’ experience in dating than womens’.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 05:10 PM
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People used to hit on each other and check each other out in person a LOT more in 1999 than 2012.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 01:51 PM
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I can concur. People had sex at younger ages, and people began “adulting” earlier. 25 and living with parents wasn’t nearly as acceptable as now. Makes me feel even older, people talking about 1999 like it was 1949.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 01:49 PM
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Why it’s different, who knows? But women’s sex drive is just highly tied to social factors. If a woman is coming on to you, you don’t have to have the magic words to say. Just be prepared to talk about your unremarkable interests with enthusiasm, and listen to hers while shifting facial expressions at an appropriate rate. I couldn’t advise you on approaching women and being prepared to carry the lion’s share of the conversation. I overheard a guy doing this recently, it was impressive and seemed…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 01:46 PM
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I’m single and middle aged, I can see it. More risk-averse behaviors, risk-averse food and risk-averse alcohol than if I was married and/or had kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/24 11:57 PM
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I knew somebody who basically had it like this, minus the recruitment part—which is important. Steady stream of hot girls but he’d get stalked now and then. He had a high tolerance for drama.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/24 06:33 PM
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Some guys don’t mind being stalked every now and then.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/24 06:23 PM
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It's not what we usually call "real attraction" but I was on thread here months ago. A woman basically explained how sugar baby attraction works. It tracked a little with stuff I pieced together from guys who are basically sugar daddies and SW Twitter. The raw lust isn't there, but if the guy is good at sex they sincerely want to do him at first. However you get into a position to make her see stars, once you do she could get hooked on you.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/24 06:06 PM
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That does qualify for mattering for dating for the rich guys, if the purse money means nothing to him.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/24 05:34 PM
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From a distance it could be subtle to spot unless he was literally being rude. I count the turned-up nose as a creepout. Back when I decided to cold approach a bunch it was more like 10-85-5 ratio of success-polite rejection-eeew.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/24 10:41 PM
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Asexual women on the internet say these things. Women I overhear in bars and restaurants are nothing like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/24 10:19 PM
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A 50% creep-out rate is high for somebody who is well-practiced. Are you mixing in bland, boring, polite rejections with this or do you not notice any?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/24 10:12 PM
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I think this emotional monogamy is dead even between men and women. It just stands out more because men naturally scan for new sexual partners more and are a little more likely to cheat.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/24 10:05 PM
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“The bar is in hell” and “you only want Chad” both seem very far removed from reality. I can steel-man why a guy would believe yowC even though it is false. Tbiih is harder to understand.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/24 08:53 PM
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I forgot where I read it, but that is about it. Indicated the 65/35 M/F ratio here can be explained by men getting greater fulfillment out of expounding on and responding to analyses alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/24 06:39 PM
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There are mostly dudes here, and our visual attraction is just more intense on average. Also personally, most relationships I’ve been in have come after a woman has been approving of my looks/voice early on, the one who was checking me out from across the room so to speak. That said, I have developed attractions for women that I wasn’t severely attracted to in the beginning. These women weren’t knockout models but they were still cute, enough to where an interesting 45-minute convo over a drink …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/24 07:40 AM
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You're in a good location.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/24 05:36 AM
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More likely logically speaking.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/24 12:37 AM
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I can only think of a few. “Crazy”, yeah but not creepy. The one that stands out was a pathological liar. Friend of a gf. I never heard her do it with extreme malice, but after seeing her in action I made conscious effort to never be around her alone without witnesses.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/24 12:30 AM
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Yeah "creepy" doesn't apply to women very often but for those whose moral compass just bends to whatever guy they’re with it hits me that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/24 10:57 PM
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Ummm…. They pull girls out of the trailer park. Especially for very casual dating, yep.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/24 06:36 PM
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True, in college environments people hook up in their own league. Changes vastly based on location afterward
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/24 05:30 PM
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They’re not just as horny on average. They’re definitely not as thirsty (scanning for new partners). If anything from that post, I draw that an in-demand guy can fill up his roster pretty easily.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/24 03:14 PM
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They’re not just as horny on average. They’re definitely not as thirsty (scanning for new partners). If anything from that post, I draw that an in-demand guy can fill up his roster pretty easily.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/24 02:50 PM
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I need serious proof to believe deadbedrooms are disproportionately a product of the woman settling. Women lust after husband types with the same vigor they like whatever their version of the “bad boy” was. Usually there is a substantial period of great sex especially around the time of engagement. If the bedroom goes dead it’s because of something going awry after this period. Also from knowing people who have cheated, former and current dorks get in on that action too.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 05:04 PM
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The collective maleness isn’t comfortable with how much our sexual attraction is visually based, how frequently we think about sex, or how much we jerk off. That’s before you even ask the collective feminine’s opinion. We’re self-conflicted. Women’s initial attraction, if not visually based, isn’t deeper or more sophisticated on average but the PR behind being attracted to markers of confidence is better.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 07:45 AM
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“I’m not like that” Lol no really. I’m not possessive or monogamous at this point, but for the last 6-7 years I’ve basically only fucked women I’ve been strongly attracted to. That could mean strong physical attraction or a combination of physical and emotional. Whatever the case, bored after 3 times is not the truth. Maybe your friends feel like they have to marry the girl if they fuck more than that, trying to make sense of your observation. Either that, or they’re in a position to have groupi…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/24 03:01 PM
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There is a special humiliation that comes with being a bad male lover. A larger percentage of women talk about their details from their sexual experiences with friends as opposed to men. So if you’re not good it’s gonna get around. Also from life and a few threads here, know-how and wisdom play more of a role in men’s ability to provide an enjoyable sex experience than vice-versa. There might be a special humiliation for women for not being attractive enough to a guy’s 5 senses, but for sexual -…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/24 05:22 PM
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Dammit, as a liberal our tendency to cannibalize is terrifying these days.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/24 09:10 PM
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The less in-shape guys I know made their way through social skills and style. Honestly, however you finagle your way into good consensual sex, it can induce attraction just as real at that point. I’m like you, I’d rather be valued for looks/voice initially. It’s rewarding when attraction happens that way. Gotta stay in the gym and eat eighth for that. Some dudes have natural or well-honed charisma that takes effort for me though.
/r/ExRedPill27/01/24 03:46 AM
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These things are likely true: Pot-belly had probably figured out how to work it before meeting her, had gotten to date around and get out of his awkward phase if he ever had one. The woman in question is genuinely attracted to her husband. Telling guys who are struggling at dating to just be like him is BS. Dudes have to figure this stuff out confidence-wise. There are many paths to this, some Reddit-sanctioned, some not, the grittier side of redpill isn’t a good route though.
/r/ExRedPill27/01/24 03:08 AM
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Presenting oneself as invulnerable, or very on control of his emotions in beneficial to a man’s entire well-being. You are much more likely to be respected by others when you are like this. Exceptions to this rule apply to exceptional men that either displayed a high amount of talent or are in positions of power. For a man in the bulk of the bell curve it’s better to be stoic as a default. For many women when dealing with such a man they respect his calm demeanor, especially if he has displayed …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/24 04:40 PM
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It’s not but on this and other Reddit places it’s frowned upon. I see why people who take the anti-advice seriously often end up in dark places. Super gaslighty.
/r/ExRedPill26/01/24 07:00 AM
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If you know that you have a typical type, that in the long run you’ll want somebody of that type but another woman has something about her that makes you curious. If you know you don’t want kids but that she does, or if there is some other serious dealbreaker like her indicating that she wants a religious partner for LTR but is throwing vibes at you.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 11:54 PM
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OK The make em wait part is abnormal to me. The total lack of preexisting dick conditions is rare IME.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/24 08:32 PM
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Lol that, I also think vocal PPD women really do skew asexual.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/24 07:56 PM
2

That's my experience too, if it doesn't happen by date 2-3 it usually doesn't happen, no matter if it's me or her that wants it more.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/24 07:55 PM
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On this sub, no one. I assume this is par for the course in real life, that fairly attractive women aren't just out here going without. It might not be a different guy every week but as easy as it is for them get some, I assume they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/24 07:53 PM
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There are more hot women than hot men, so it's not entirely symmetrical about gender. I feel the same way about a fine woman's being cheated on by a super-in-demand guy as I do about apex Chad not getting his first choice of girl, or he gets cheated on when he actually shoots out of his depth. Whoop-de-damn-do.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/24 03:23 AM
1

Most women have an attraction to social status. For most it’s situational, like her attraction builds when they see a man in charge of something, it could be practically anything. For some it’s more extreme. Raw male sexuality doesn’t really function this way. For me a woman’s competence is sexy, I’m drawn to that more than most guys but I’m neutral to seeing a woman in authority or being a leader. As far as humiliation, if you haven’t approached women often some form of embarrassment is unavoid…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/24 08:13 PM
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Honestly, I've hardly see men approaching women over the last 10-12 years. Before finding this sub, I thought all that had moved to the dating apps and IG. That might have changed a little bit post-Covid as I sense the apps have dried up. But by 2004 standards, men don't approach women anymore. On male sexuality being demonized, basically yes when people discuss it in the abstract. We're still Puritanical over here and men get more out of NSA sex so it'll be this way as long as I'm alive. Male s…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/24 04:58 PM
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There is some truth to it. Both sexes have a tendency to build attraction based on someone’s social setup. The bell-curve distributions on this for women vs. men would be statistically significantly different though. A significant minority of women are primarily attracted based on appearance though.
/r/ExRedPill22/01/24 03:27 PM
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You’re right that it could be a shit test. But it is that, or does the most asexual woman in the (virtual) room of women automatically assumed to have a moral high ground on the internet? Agreed, in meatspace you rarely see a woman just indignant that a male had the audacity to flirt with her.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/24 01:12 AM
2

I missed the last two paragraphs of the post I replied to. Oh my.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/24 09:34 PM
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A lot of women here and elsewhere say they can get laid from a decent-looking guy any time they want. In some spaces, I have heard women complaining about not having dick available when they need it. Usually the qualifier is "in my already-existing circle" but they'll complain about it in the same language men would use without the qualifiers.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/24 07:54 PM
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You're describing attractive people's problems. Is anybody really that sympathetic to hot people being unable to lock down other hot people? You'll see more sympathy for less attractive women in these situations.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/24 07:37 PM
2

Agree with that statement but not the contrapositive.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/24 07:30 PM
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Good luck. As my flair indicates I'm old but 25-30 seemed completely out of league at 24, could practically pick and choose from women that age at 32.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/24 06:17 PM
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I was in a similar situation, and looking back I’d have had to date down in class but I could have found a 20-22 year old to have my child at 24-25 if I wanted to. At similar class levels you are right, it becomes easy to find a woman looking to get serious a few years later say 28-31.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/24 05:59 PM
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This is a fun paradox. Women value guy #2 more, by the logic of willing to invest more time into him. With Guy #1 she’s not willing to spend all her waking hours, he’s just “around” or “available”. Men know that it takes a high degree of physical attraction, style or charisma to be guy #1 on a frequent basis. We also notice that the same guy(s) happen to be “around” when horny women need a “tool”. Some of us learn to tweak the above three categories to become the “available” guy more often. Aver…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/24 05:40 PM
2

Heard it from a number of women. I think pre-planned girls trips are an oft exception, where at least two of the crew knows they wanna hook up beforehand.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/24 05:28 PM
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The level of emotional maintenance expected is very different in most cases. Platonic friendships require no concessions of identity whereas intimate relationships eventually do. This doesn’t happen in initial stages though.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/24 05:04 PM
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In practice, it's like if there are ten such items on the list, you need to be good at 3-4. For some women this stuff is way more dealbreakery than others. I was raised to where athleticism and style were necessary ingredients to masculinity, but handiness with tools not at all. I wasn't aware certain people read that as essential to maleness until around age 30 lol
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/24 03:11 AM
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I've only observed somebody getting laid while simping where the guy is dating down in class. It felt more like love-bombing but the actions and compliments were exactly the same as simping. I can't see the guy as a simp. My theory is that he was a former simp who now throws money and compliments at women who are easily impressed by these things. In other cases, it's hard to envision a guy who simps at the same looks/class level who is successful, maybe in cases where he is exactly her type in w…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/24 03:50 PM
2

Wow that's further in the extremes either way than what I've experienced. Cool
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 06:52 AM
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Their path isn't gonna work for you. A good mating/dating strategy for dudes is to go extreme in one direction or another, like any as long as it's not towards self-pity. Into fitness, style of dress, career, painting salamanders, rotary club, religion whatever. You'll then be in a position where the women who are attracted to you will be "loud" about it.
/r/ExRedPill17/01/24 06:08 AM
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Oh wow I didn't know this was a meme. That woman had it so rough in that movie.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 03:59 AM
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I'm in a similar boat man. The feeling of not being good enough or worthy to date is just a perfectly logical place for most dudes to spend some time in the course of their life. The internet has enabled guys to wallow in that for a bit too long in some cases, but being in this phase or even God forbid complaining about it doesn't make a man a bad person. Advocating for restrictions on women's choices as a result, that kinda does actually. But feeling inadequate in the face of sexual attraction …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 03:25 AM
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Dude your previous post was so on point, you shouldn’t have even defended against that in comparison.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 01:44 AM
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Yeah it basically checks out. I had just enough of this kind of attention to keep me from going down the rabbit hole of TRP-equivalent stuff 25 years ago. I had buddies who did go that route and it was really the only difference between us at that time.
/r/ExRedPill17/01/24 12:33 AM
1

I have the same response of the GIF in the link above to this.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/24 06:56 PM
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https://images.app.goo.gl/vsDbeDo16R5yhhtq9
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/24 05:16 PM
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Stops after high school.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/24 04:48 AM
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Lol, both those exchanges suck. The people saying “no rulebook” are also speaking falsism. Matching energy, text length and frequency is more what you want to be doing.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 01:55 AM
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There should be a thread of things people treat as norms in this sub that are totally not in the real world. This is at the top of the list. Even women here sometimes post like they assume men care about counts in the actual world.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 09:49 PM
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It would change, not that women would be more excited about playing the field, save for a very short time. They would put more effort into locking down a particular guy. The “entertain me, boy” dynamic would vanish. Source: it’s kinda what happens in pools of eligible folks aged 30+, where the women are still attractive but know what they want in a guy and/or are more open about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/24 09:53 PM
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A lot of people on this forum take the Worst Possible Interpretation of what someone says, then responds to it in the Most Inflammatory Way.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/24 04:24 PM
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Just confirms my suspicion that vocal women here are more aromantic/asexual than women in public.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 07:42 PM
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By a landslide, 2 and 3?* *Given that the womens' anxiety decrease is completely justified. Fuck 1 and 6 all the way to hell, and not in the good way. 4 is a quality-of-life detraction, I will not be taking the saltpeter. 5 - No, effective by who's definition and who is writing this law? Don't want the apps controlled by RWNJs.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 07:41 PM
1

ummm...
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 05:07 PM
1

Even 20 years ago, men even in their late 30s could easily outpull guys in their 20s (to my lament sometimes). The difference in game and confidence outweighed the leaner physiques.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 04:53 PM
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I was gonna say I didn't subscribe to it at all, but I remember having a realization during my last genuine dry spell. I had stopped sexualizing women at all that I saw out and about, saving that part of myself only for porn.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 05:12 AM
3

How often do they have to get their registration renewed?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 03:42 AM
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When my marriage ended, many people felt comfortable telling me about their attempted or realized adultery or trying to realize adultery with me. I feel like somewhere to a quarter to a third of couples I knew of had some extracurricular stuff going on.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 01:57 AM
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Not a fan of this tenet, but to steel-man it, it's because women can get laid from a decent-looking guy far easier than the other way around. Most guys can't just go get laid because they're hornier than usual today. In practice it's about what you've done lately. If you're looking for an LTR you probably want to stay away from somebody of either gender in the midst of their Hot Girl Summer. There are people with 15-25n years but who are slow-paced and humdrum the rest of their lives. That shoul…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 09:04 PM
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https://youtu.be/zDm4nH7hjik?si=9tuRqvc__pObSphA
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 08:37 PM
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For a steady-state situation, the vast majority of women would rather be #1 to their 3rd choice, than #3 to their 1st choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/24 08:56 PM
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OMG #4 is giving me flashbacks. At least the last time I was in a relationship with somebody like this, I broke up with her within a week. Nope. Never again.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/24 02:15 PM
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Wish I could say I made that one up
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/24 12:25 AM
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My blue-pilled views: A lot of women do choose “Chads” for flings but this does not ruin them for relationships. Women have trampages but that is not a permanent state of being. I believe men work the same way, where there is a time for partying and a time to settle down. Somebody-for-everybody is closer to reality than 80/20 for all practical purposes. A small percentage women are happy to share HVM as part of a harem. Also those who are sharing are often jostling hard to be #1 in that harem. B…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/24 11:34 PM
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Social lubrication. When you’re in the flow things come easier.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/24 04:01 AM
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I was surprised to find that here. Years ago at the beginning of my bar experience, there were PUAish sites and media directed toward helping socially awkward guys be better with women. I recall very little of this conservative/trad shit mixed in with it. It was aggressively apolitical if anything. Sad to see this stuff now.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/24 07:31 PM
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As an entire gender, neither gender is coherent. On that belief in your first paragraph, I am entirely opposed to the dynamic you lay out in the first paragraph. I don’t have kids let alone daughters and some people tell me I’d understand if I did. I really hope I wouldn’t because… On the same hand, I have other friends that are raising well-adjusted daughters not treating them like fragile china to be stored until their sexual agency is passed from the father to the husband at a purity ball.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/24 07:12 PM
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Sometimes there is a signal, but I’m sure there is uninvited cockblocking too. There is a pervasive belief that women need to be protected from their own attractions, so not surprising to see it manifest in these spaces.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/24 06:22 PM
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How do you know that in fact it was subpar?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/24 02:35 PM
2

But I am not merely a man. I am the most cissiest and heterogenius.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/23 04:51 PM
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I don’t truly believe it by the way. But if I did… For one, having a visceral attraction makes me feel very alive, so I have some pity for people who claim to never feel that. Even unrequited lust is energizing. Then of course the conclusion that could be drawn where no man is hot, just a tool (pun intended) From some the answers here, more women have a “hornier than usual” time where they are open to hookups. I can’t really relate to that to be honest except in the extremes of times I hadn’t li…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/23 04:38 PM
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I don’t know why that wouldn’t be a complete and total buzzkill rather than a buzzkill applied to a specific situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/23 03:44 PM
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Your third-to-last paragraph: if there is anything more bluepilling in the world it’s this. Who women get tunnel vision over is a complete random-number generator. As a cishetmale I am often flabbergasted on where their focus lands.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/23 06:12 AM
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No. Common sense proves this out. Men are thirstier.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/23 10:31 PM
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Basically. Women get LTR thirst but it manifests differently and in controlled settings.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/23 09:59 PM
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Libido and thirst are different. There is also a study that says the portion of the brain dedicated to scanning for new sexual prospects is 2.5 times greater in men. In the confines of a relationship, OK libido might even out.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/23 09:57 PM
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There should be a “flattered by the interest and understanding of why she cut ties” button.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/23 04:26 PM
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If you’re a natural flirt, or temporarily made to appear that way, yeah this “be an asshole” shit is totally unnecessary
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/23 01:05 AM
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Children. A man who keeps himself up can increase SMV into his early to mid 40s but to be the kind of energetic father most men want to be it's best to start before 35-37. Also most 22 year old women aren't usually attracted to 40 year olds. The opposite is also true when thinking beyond a ONS. 30 year old men, at least when I was 30 weren't even into 22 year old women for anything substantial, and that's when guys were really looking for substantial. However, if not for kids I believe you'd see…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 10:53 PM
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It may depend on the forum. SW Twitter is a little like this but it's not hard to find SWs outlining the things they enjoy about their jobs as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 10:42 PM
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Yes for the most part. Older women tend to have wide social circles, and for many of them this truly can replace some companionships needs from a relationship, much unlike the experience of men under 50. For those without this social support, their lives probably suck but that is rare for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 07:25 PM
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No. Especially if it's physical. I consider myself fairly good-looking tbh. But there is always someone better. That is the most fair reason to lose out on a prospect for me. Being desired for financial reasons is somewhat shitty, so if a woman pays more attention to another guy based on that, I instinctively lose some amount of respect for her and haveno envy for him. Being friends with guys who are attractive to women, especially if they're attractive to women in different ways than I am, is u…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 05:25 PM
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If many of these men found out about the commune they would quit doing that. In practice, guys chase the same women because of a shared ideal of beauty, not because Rodrick and Chico vouched for her.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 12:06 AM
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Yeah I’m somewhat aware of this. As a side piece, talks about her leaving her husband freaked me out. I was extremely content with providing 1-2x week discreet hookups. Part of me thought it was beating the system.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 11:28 PM
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Yes in every sense. Not in the thirst traps we fall into but who we actually try to get with. Guys ideal is to find a commune of women who just became hot two days ago and became curious about penis this morning.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 10:59 PM
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It does, but only because women, even taken women, choose the men they are most physically attracted to for these flings. Nothing to do with poaching her from another guy. Easy to imagine her man is just tired of her. Speaking from experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 10:43 PM
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Same reasons social proof and rizz/game are basically irrelevant. How a woman hits the five senses is just way more important to guys than social factors. After a few experiences, men will vet for crazy but this can be done 1:1. Still no social proof required
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 10:40 PM
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Most dudes try to optimize for best-looking girl getting least attention
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 10:38 PM
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Not if are you exceptional in other areas to make up for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 07:27 PM
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Do women ask men for dating advice nearly as much as vice versa? Not surprising that the advice would be terrible. I would have very little useful dating advice for straight women.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 07:33 AM
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I don't know about ramifications but from what I hear, inflation hasn't hit that industry as hard as it's hit say restaurant prices. Still, 37% is super high for THAT age group but if it's the same sample willing to pay top $$ for dating advice it makes more sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 02:07 AM
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No elders present at these meetings? Sisters Prudence and Patience?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 08:57 PM
3

The Rules
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 08:00 PM
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If I ever hit the dating market again in earnest, I am asking this question deadpanned.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 06:50 PM
1

I agree with his framing. There is still a high possibility of awkwardness at the events mentioned, so I'd consider those cold approaches while the "hitting on a succession of women in public" thing is just... Lunacy? Ice-cold approach? 2 Kelvin approach? At bars, work events and so on it's still cold. Weddings, funerals and even house parties---maybe not since it's basically a requirement that both parties have an acquaintance in common.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 06:47 PM
4

Wow that had to be quite red-pilling.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 05:57 AM
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Are we counting female professional thirst-trappers or porn stars? It happens then, but for other vanilla female celebrities likely not as much. Even with the former, a male fan can also be richer.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/23 07:27 PM
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Yeah they don’t wait nothing out for long, unless they’re dating up in class but even then it’s like they’re determined they could tame some dude so they’re putting up with very egregious shit but for a relatively short time. These circles are trippy. I’m trippy like that by tradguy standards here but seeing the actual influencer types in action… whole other level.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/23 02:00 AM
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Haha yeah my IG thirst-follows are always “healing” and rebounding. I was once in circles with guys who messed with those kind of women. All parties got bored very easily.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/23 06:59 AM
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I think he’s talking about online. In spaces like this it’s accurate, I think many women in this space and a not-insignificant percentage of dudes have a disgust response to men asking for dating advice or how to be more attractive. In 3D space people are gentler
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/23 06:39 AM
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When you put it in terms of needing to feel like the object of desire, yes. I'm a guy who probably needs to feel desired more than the average guy but that need is lower than most women. In terms of feeling entitled to get off, no. The fourth paragraph stands out. I am very much the stereotypical "visual" man in most areas, but a woman just rubbing one out, with or without toys, does absolutely nothing for me unless I know she's thinking of me.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 01:27 AM
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These rules go out the window when attraction levels are high enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 07:35 AM
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That makes more sense to me, I don’t really understand the yutes.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 02:13 PM
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A paradox. Plenty of women want the long term guy more by that logic, but for most guys it’s more difficult to be hot enough to be the short term guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 12:37 PM
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That latter trend is reversing as a good number, or at least a very vocal number of women are realizing that being a working cog sucks and now want to embrace their soft girl era.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 12:26 PM
4

That first paragraph resonates man. You could scale that to a whole litany of dynamics in society. The last 15-20 years and especially the last 10 are the first era where factions of people really know how other factions talk about them when they’re not in the room. Humanity is not equipped for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 11:52 AM
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Numerous men I imagine, after they stick their dick in crazy once or twice.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 11:16 PM
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That would be hypocrisy if you noticed that. I do know of guys who went for the safe option for marriage, but those women weren’t downgrades in looks or status. They were just usually less flashy or less outwardly sexy. They were equal or slight upgrades in looks and typically upgrades in status.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 11:12 PM
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In the early stages of dating, women do usually have the upper hand in the sense that men have to win them over behaviorally. We’re usually more attracted and earlier. It is what it is. I say that with only North American experience. Understanding this dynamic is not the case in Scandinavian countries, I wonder how that came to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 04:40 AM
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Wouldn't consider myself high count overall but looking back at my 18-month rampage period, I was very far from hating women. Enjoyed their company quite a bit, just no desire for commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 06:04 AM
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The porn and thirst traps solve the pure horniness part. With the proliferation thereof men are hitting on women far less than 20 years ago, so it tracks. What the guy further down describes, the process of date/sex/after-cuddle or sex/cuddle-TV/sex/repeat, that's what it's all about. Missing that isn't purely about testosterone IMO. There's a quality interpersonal element.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 05:25 AM
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No I'm not offended as usually they haven't experienced the situation. But having experienced both, singledom is 2500x better than having an emotionally abusive gf/wife. I can't really empathize. My situation was like the boiling-frog parable. If I saw the low points from the outside I can't imagine being envious, even in the midst of a long dry spell.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/23 09:10 AM
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"... when it comes to being platonic friends with women, our lives seem too different ..." That's a big reason why I've maintained platonic friendships with women, to hear their persepctives. I feel like we learn a thing or two from each other when I hang out with them. " I always find myself stuck with the bill even though we’re supposed to be friends ..." These women aren't very good friends. I haven't had this issue in my purely-platonic friendships.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/23 09:37 PM
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Can’t complain lol. On my comment, I sort of understand it as a lot of dudes late-bloom. So the person giving him advice is already envisioning the guy doing a lot of plate-spinning or pump-and-dump even if he is down bad/clueless/low-SMV at the time he asks for the advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/23 08:56 PM
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“All dating advice for men is designed to humble us.” This resonates, and is completely baffling that it’s the default assumption. It softens a bit once the adviser gets to know the man a little.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/23 04:22 PM
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Before the 19th century, women were broadly seen as "temptresses" and nymphos. That sounds like something that was BS at the time, given what we know about testosterone now. You had dudes going around with 12 wives complaining about how needy they were. I agree that the sexual revolution changed things as you said where a man's "value" became more tied to how easily he could pull women. When you think about it, in 2023 having multiple children by diverse babymama's is still not something we give…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 11:23 PM
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