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hemaristhysbe/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/22 07:21 PM
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The court supports genetic testing and goes after the biological father unless the not-dad legally adopted.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/22 07:28 PM
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Right? Porn stars get married, exotic dancers get married, actors and musicians get married. Having a storied sexual history isn’t a problem for anyone except conservative people who socialize with other conservative people. They aren’t at risk of being tricked into dating promiscuous people. This is some peculiar manifestation of sour grapes. “Oh, she chose to have sex with him instead of me? Well, she’s a slut anyway and no man will ever marry her”
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/22 02:08 PM
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No? What a silly notion. There are 8 billion people in the world. Why would any uninvited person who likes to have fun settle for the opposite? They exist in entirely different social spheres. They’d have no reason to ever cross paths.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/22 02:03 PM
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My argument is the presence of conservative religious cults as well as cultures which promote arranged marriage skew those numbers wildly. Indoctrination in high control religions sects and high control cultures means an entirely different experience than for the average person who marries after college and independent living. It’s not actually an argument, it’s reassurance that the numbers do not reflect a guarantee of divorce.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/22 02:00 PM
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Yep, it’s this. Men care very much about being respected, it drives their social interactions from childhood to death. They’d rather be alone and miserable than regarded as a chump.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/22 01:45 PM
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Because those women were mostly likely raised in a high control religious environment or stuck in an arranged marriage in a conservative culture. People indoctrinated into religious culture are unlikely to escape no matter how unpleasant or controlling the marriage is. Find a survey of modern, progressive people.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/22 01:34 PM
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The men throwing out illogical and irrational hyperbole in this thread are hysterical. Casual consensual sex does not compare to criminal behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/22 01:23 PM
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Yes we have modern technology but that doesn't change how people think. Then those people are illogical and irrational, and I have no sympathy for them whatsoever.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/22 01:21 PM
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Adults? Nope.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/22 01:16 PM
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Nailed it. Red pill men somehow believe they have some influence over women and are trying to “train” women to wait for inexperienced men and to date ugly men they aren’t attracted to And Red pill men are spit-flying furious that promiscuous women won’t sleep with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/22 01:15 PM
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Jesus Christ. Consensual sex isn’t remotely comparable to sex crime. You’re wilding today.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/22 01:13 PM
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Sluts don’t even run in the same social circles as uptight conservative men. Those men are safe from wild vagina.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/22 01:03 PM
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DNA tests can be purchased at any drug store for $17. Men can easily swab an infant’s cheek and get results via email. If he isn’t the father, he can proceed through the court system and file for divorce. Most states will pursue support from the actual father without any prompting whatsoever.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/22 01:01 PM
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Sluts are fucking high value men, who they aren’t fucking is conservative men.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/22 12:58 PM
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Wishful thinking. Promiscuous women tend to hang around promiscuous women. RP men harbor a pee-pants fear that promiscuous women roam the earth in search of inexperienced men to entrap, but outgoing, extroverted, uninhibited women have zero interest in conservative men. This just isn’t a real problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/22 12:56 PM
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Did John Leguizamo enjoy eating live maggots on a pizza for “Spawn”? Did Bale and Hanks enjoy losing 50 pounds for roles? Did Clooney enjoy the beating which temporarily crippled him in Syriana?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/22 12:42 PM
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I r/deadbedrooms and r/infidelity are filled with couples who figured that physical attraction wasn’t important.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/22 07:12 PM
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Because men refuse to believe that chemistry and mutual physical attraction is important. They reduce women’s value to a numerical score and seem to believe that their personal score is all that is required for a love match. It’s not. A man can be perfectly fine in a photo, but have unpleasant sociopolitical beliefs. There may be a cultural mismatch, or a mismatch in common experiences and interests. A lack of rapport is problematic, as is baggage carried from previous relationships. There is fa…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/22 01:40 PM
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Does somebody having a specific disorder or mental health red flag serve as a dealbreaker for you? Definitely, and for friendships, too. I can’t handle OCD or attachment issues, but I don’t believe those are deal breakers for everyone. A childhood friend with OCD married a career military man and they have one of the happiest marriages I’ve ever seen. They are perfect for one another. An ex who was incredibly clingy now lives with an equally dependent woman who suffers from social anxiety and bo…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 05:36 PM
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Why are you spamming this uncomfortably awkward and loud man? This is unwatchable.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 11:57 AM
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Men can fuck crack whores and wine drunk single moms in their late forties who wheeze when they walk up their trailer steps. If men aren’t fucking those women, they are insufferably picky.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 11:23 PM
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That isn’t a buffet, it’s a dumpster.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 11:21 PM
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A normal, not fat, five foot nine, short haired guy with slightly less than perfect skin, a kind smile and eyes but not rock solid features, is an ABOVE average dude. If he fun and outgoing? Easy grin and friendly? Funny? Or judgmental and reticent? Grouchy and nihilistic? If he’s the former, he’s average. If he’s the latter, he’s below average.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 12:16 PM
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Some women will be interested in you. Which women?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 08:49 PM
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Better be fun, cool, receptive, clever, funny, a good listener, a good dancer, a solid spiker/chipper/splitter/deck builder etc. Bring your niche.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 06:49 PM
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Your reply isn't worthless. It's just incomplete.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 06:48 PM
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By the time they realize it, they're desperate I want to agree with your post so badly. I feel like... are they desperate, really? Or contaminated by the all-you-can-eat buffet which is porn? Because I've had a stupid amount of awful, unappealing men try to pick me up and get wildly angry when it didn't go their way. Granted, I work in a busy college town plagued by internet-dependent "pick up artists", but the number of weird, demanding men who feel I owe them a phone number or a blow job is al…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 06:47 PM
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Yes I did, with full awareness. The message being that there are no cheat codes or hacks, and that hatred of the thing he wants the most hamstrings a man. But many take the path of least resistance, and hatred of women while searching for ever-increasing depravity in porn rewards many of them. So why bother?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 06:11 PM
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Doesn't matter since men are indiscriminate. Most don't care if a woman is weird or awkward; if they like her face and body, they will try.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 06:09 PM
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Why are you telling women you’re a virgin? How is it their business?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 05:16 PM
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Mommy issues hit hard sometimes.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 04:33 PM
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Men should absolutely be encouraging insular teens to get out and socialize and stress the importance of making friends and having a social life. But "virginity" isn't a handicap as it's a social construct and no one's business whatsoever. There is zero need to share a sexual history unless it's voluntary. Like most things, it's only weird if you make it an issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 04:32 PM
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Socially handicapped people are rarely decent citizens, as demonstrated here and elsewhere in the RP infraverse.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 04:22 PM
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It's in the OP. Men with solitary hobbies and few friends missed the opportunity to learn social skills and date in high school and college. And most follow that up by wasting a decade or so searching for a hack to romance and sex online. There just isn't any substitute for a social life, but it's never too late to cultivate and maintain a social sphere.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 01:20 PM
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Got any new material?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 12:19 PM
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If they want a regime change they have to be willing to die for them. Billions of women have died in childbirth and billions suffered life-altering labor injuries to bring humans into the world. Men are victims of violence from men and women. They get harmed and murdered far more than women do. Men sure do, because men are thousands of times more likely to engage in risky behavior while women take measures to avoid risk and remain in the home because of familial duties or cultural expectations. …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 12:17 PM
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It really does start to feel like repeating a video game level from the perspective of a man. I get that. So stop keeping score or change the game. Women don't know or want to know that a man has failed 99 times before he reached her. He's bringing that loser energy to the relationship from the beginning. I honestly don't understand why women always point to personality as the reason to why men struggle. There are a whole lot of shitty dudes that do really well with women. If there were shitty, …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 12:00 PM
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Agreed, but the OP has been presenting the same argument consistently for months. "I deserve my goddamn looksmatch" is vapid. Obviously there are more factors than mere physical appearance at play here. In some parallel universe, every man who is angrily grading women like cattle is being rejected by women with the same shallow metric.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 11:45 AM
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Women are blissfully unaware of what it's like on the other side. When they do get treated like men it is emotionally traumatic for them. Transwomen have been getting raped and murdered for years and I haven't seen a single man attempt to empathize with the way women are treated, but many of you absolutely cling to the Norah Vincent diary like a life raft. Empathy is a two-way street.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 11:39 AM
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Do you really think the average woman is hot enough to be excluding 86% of men based on pictures? Absolutely, because she’s excluding 86% of men based on their pictures. One of my fwbs If you have more than one friend with benefits, why are you complaining? I concede that women carry more risk in regards to sex Bad sex with a man she isn’t attracted to is the least of those risks, but it’s a valid reason to avoid sex with men women aren’t attracted to. Women place a lot of emphasis on factors th…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 11:37 AM
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The people who are mutually attracted should do as they please, and the person who isn’t attractive or attracted is shit out of luck. What even is this question? Who the fuck cares about a man who never had a chance anyway? Do men really believe they can call “dibs” on a human being?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 12:50 AM
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Aka classic victim blaming. Men who seek out increasingly hateful and separatist content because they aren’t getting female validation from beautiful women are not victims.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 01:55 PM
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Your own posts are examples, you feed the hate and division. Your words encourage isolation. Blood on your hands.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 01:49 PM
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Subscription to group think, seeking encouragement to become worse people instead of better people, learning to hate and divide, and a wholesale belief in pseudoscience and easily disprovable claims. It’s a cult. You shouldn’t be asking why the typical person isn’t supportive of cults.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 01:48 PM
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Society isn’t doing anything to men, they seek fringe, violent content on their own volition. It isn’t women who claim that looks don’t matter; that’s men. That’s wishful thinking and men admit they “believed what they saw in movies”. You know, the very same men who claimed that video games do not influence violent tendencies claim that romcoms taught them to relentlessly pursue the most beautiful girls in their school. Women tell men to have reasonable standards if they want to find a partner, …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 01:46 PM
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“If she insults you, exaggerate it or ignore it” and “don’t be a social butterfly, your more interesting if you disagree sometimes”. They literally teach men that if she says no Jesus Christ. Disenfranchised men frame successful men as “dicks” so they try to emulate them. Except popular men aren’t dicks and the fake persona is obvious and repellent. Red pill and PUA are the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 01:29 PM
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Crickets. Anyone who points out the obvious in short guy pity parties is ignored. Of course most women are with men who are taller because men on average are taller.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 01:25 PM
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Fucking hell. Anyone who pukes incel content has blood on their hands, but it sure isn’t “society’s” fault.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 01:22 PM
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Some men here need an intervention. Red pill is brainwashing; indoctrination. It’s verbal vomit and hate speech and men who keep paying the handful of shysters with subscriptions and clicks should seek therapy or clergy.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 12:47 PM
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It’s the most polite way of saying “Box your own weight”. Men want to believe that women don’t require physical attraction for romance and rage against women who explain they require mutual physical attraction. “Women are too shallow!” They claim. Translation: “I keep getting rejected by beautiful, desirable women”. There are a few men whose charisma, charm, wit, and intelligence overcome physical imperfections. There are a lot of attractive men whose attitude and behavior is positively repellen…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 12:24 PM
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If it’s too embarrassing to talk about, it’s too embarrassing to consume.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 12:09 PM
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Because men don’t care if their partner is physically attracted or not; men want what they want and go to pieces when they don’t get it. Same is true for unattractive men who desire beautiful women, men who desire their platonic friends, men who feel that women working with the public should be required to date them, and men who feel that women should give disenfranchised men sex. Mutual desire isn’t necessary for men. They feel that their desire supersedes women’s.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 06:54 AM
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I haven’t experienced any problems at six feet, but I have zero interest in any man who isn’t physically attracted to me. Never bothered me if men preferred a shorter woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 06:47 AM
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No one is required by social etiquette to entertain a proposition they aren’t interested in. Sex pests are no different from religious proselytizers or members of a pyramid scheme; the person who interrupts with a demand for audience has bad manners and they deserve exactly the same consideration they offer.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 06:45 AM
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Ashamed and embarrassed seems to be the consensus here.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 06:39 AM
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Far more likely the unwanted solicitation by a man they don’t find attractive to be rude and aggravating.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 06:35 AM
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There is no friendzone. Social proof is a real thing. People with a large group of friends are more trustworthy and far easier to talk to than some loner who tries a pick up attempt with an utter stranger.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 02:58 AM
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There isn’t anything embarrassing about being gay, and being gay doesn’t require a belief in pseudoscience and conspiracies.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 10:59 PM
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You have an interest in it I have an interest in exposing it because I spent a couple years working with radicalized, angry men and I still have to deal with insufferable “pick up artists”. I don't understand why that is so amusing to you. It’s like breastfeeding at age 16; something is too embarrassing to admit, rational people stop doing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 10:53 PM
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Sir I prefer logic and reason. But LOL at the number of men who admit that consuming red pill propaganda is too embarrassing to admit.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 10:40 PM
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My coworkers are biologists. They aren’t likely to have any interest in conspiracies and pseudoscience.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 10:13 PM
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Because you have all the women you’ve ever wanted to see in every possible configuration of clothing or without on your phone or computer for free anytime and anywhere you like. There is zero excuse for making real live women uncomfortable.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 09:32 PM
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She specified “for dates”.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 08:50 PM
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What? No they aren’t, that’s absurd.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 08:45 PM
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The rhetoric doesn’t change, the discussion does. The old men in their forties and older who leer and proposition 20 year old women are comparatively gross. They are probably attractive to women in their forties and older. Most women have been propositioned by men who are twice their age and we remember how gross and unattractive middle aged men look to 20 year olds.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 08:43 PM
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Do women of all ages find a 25 year old man as physically most attractive? No. Attractiveness ages with me.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 08:39 PM
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Right? You’d think they’d realize that, since “Halo Effect!” is one of their battle cries.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 08:37 PM
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I’m amazed that any of you believe that subscribers, comments, and likes aren’t from bots or paid subscribers. Why so gullible? New to social media?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 07:54 PM
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I quoted you verbatim. “Influence: The Psychology of Persuasion” is required reading for marketing and training students in college. Of course I’m not going to read red pill propaganda or any other social media influencer who makes a living off disenfranchised men’s angst.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 05:40 PM
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RP fanboys in summary: u/parahacker [score hidden] 7 minutes ago I'm well aware of where it came from. Niel Strauss discusses it in his books. It took RP to apply a sales concept to women's attraction thresholds, which Robert Cialdini is probably on board with but didn't exist before it in that form. It took RP to apply a sales concept to women's attraction thresholds, which Robert Cialdini is probably on board with but sure as hell can't take credit for. Whuh... wh-y... uh, why don't any of you…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 05:28 PM
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Social proof was coined in 1984 by author and professor Robert Cialdini in a book about sales and marketing. Why don’t any of you ever research anything beyond the propaganda?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 04:37 PM
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The women who date actual bad guys are actually bad themselves. The guys who Nice Guys call “bad” aren’t actually bad, they are just fun and popular and Nice Guys frame them as villains because they believe that maligning perfectly nice men will give them an advantage somehow.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 04:25 PM
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Denies that men spend their time gawking at women However, if you see something you are attracted by, it's no crime to let yourself be attracted. Men show it more, but then again a lot of studies say that a lot more men are attracted to a lot more women Confirms that men spend all their time gawking at women. Okay, good talk.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 04:22 PM
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I’m not talking about red pill content on Instagram or Twitter, I’m talking about people commenting red pilled rhetoric under posts of any kind. You can’t be serious. For weeks every TikTok, Instagram, and social media viral video is plagued with comments which read “Amber Heard” or “Biden”, which are the new “Orange Man Bad” “Trump Derangement Syndrome”. Clowns gotta clown, and since they don’t have a social life, they spend all their time desperately trying to be relevant by regurgitating shit…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 04:06 PM
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The average man only cares about beautiful women, so average women don’t care about average men. Neither do beautiful women. Seems like average men would have figured out what they are doing wrong at this point.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 03:58 PM
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Yikes.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 03:42 PM
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We tell each other everything, and they have a normal social life.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 03:41 PM
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anything to do with what hobbies that a woman engages in An awful lot of men here view women as NPCs, accessories to men who plan their entire day around seeking male attention and approval.They believe women work for play money and spend their whole lives dreaming of raising pretty blond haired, blue eyed babies and playing house. but in how much more attention they get from the opposite sex while engaging in those activities. Men fail to realize they spend their free time in public and at work…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 03:11 PM
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The red pill isn't relevant, and wild attempts at pretending it's Important! is just bizarre. It's a niche group of disenfranchised men who blinding follow dirty, shady, opportunistic male social media influencers, many of whom have been exposed as frauds.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 02:51 PM
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The men in the red pill represent extreme examples.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 02:47 PM
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Men would not be fired for mentioning a fringe group on social media because no one knows or cares what it is. If anyone said "alpha male" or "looksmaxxing" "jestermaxxing" or whatever they'd be ridiculed, not fired.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 02:46 PM
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The cult mentality is alarming, but they did the same thing with the GameStop short squeeze, Bitcoin, WOW… some people just seem susceptible to groupthink. It is wild that they believe the red pill subscriber base and scammer view counts are legit, though. I hope they figure out bots before they blow their money on another shortsqueeze bandwagon. Or before they get a job and blab all this craziness to coworkers.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 01:42 PM
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You're attempting to legitimize and lend credibility to a cult.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 12:49 PM
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Men didn't know that attractive girls in school were ignoring or rejecting ugly men in favor of attractive and/or popular boys? Bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 12:48 PM
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I work with 3 unmarried men under 30. I just asked if they know what "the red pill is" and one said "Birth control", another said "Like the Matrix"? and the third said "The what pill". RP is not mainstream and subscriber counts, likes, and comments are heavily loaded with bots. I realize men on the fringe want to feel like they are a part of something larger, but it's just not important or notable.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 12:47 PM
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Men who hate women but crave female validation more than oxygen are going to attract antagonists.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 12:44 PM
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Playboy and porn says otherwise. The trends are obviously reflected in each, and men are the primary consumers.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 09:52 AM
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Never been on a bicycle in your life, huh?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 02:50 AM
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Even staring puts you at risk of going viral on Tiktok and getting fired now Yes and it’s hilarious gymcreep FTR
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 02:50 AM
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Does being jealous of his own children make a man selfish? Because men regularly admit it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 02:18 AM
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Speaking for the majority, bet. But you won’t know until you try, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 02:16 AM
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I can promise you I throughly enjoy making the “Eww” disgusted face whenever old men hit on me. I’m only one data point, but I’m happy to make it very clear that geezer stepped out of pocket.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 01:11 AM
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I’m saying that most people are attracted to those their own age and men who are attracted to women 10-20 years younger are delusional. And pretty gross.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 12:55 AM
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What’s another baseless claim, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 12:54 AM
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Men are welcome to wait until they hit their forties and hang out in college bars attempting to pick up women half their age, but I can promise they will get laughed out of the bar. Men in their forties cannot compete with fun, virile, physically attractive men under 25 unless they are paying for it. I’m 30 and I find the men in their forties who hit on me to be sad clowns.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 12:42 AM
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The Harley, gambling habit, gin habit, Corvette, Camaro, Mustang, Challenger, ski boat, bass boat, and hair plugs most of my middle aged, upper middle class clients sport exhibit are anything but selfless purchases.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 12:32 AM
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The difference between 5 and 15 years is gray and/or balding hair, a paunch, unreliable erections and his potential jealousy towards every one of her appropriately aged peers and coworkers. Insecurity isn’t sexy, and neither are the aging men who consistently believe I want to hear about their dick or their bass boat.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 12:29 AM
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475 comments and not one man admitted “But women won’t go out with me if I don’t pay”.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 12:09 AM
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Far too many deadbeat dads for your claim to be accurate.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 12:08 AM
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I mean, homosexuality and asexuality exist naturally and don’t fit an easily understandable evolutionary purpose That’s because evolution doesn’t have a purpose. Or a goal. Or a pinnacle. Or an agenda. Many animals die of starvation, disease, or predation before reproducing, but albinos, Leucism, and runts abound. Variations in behavior or appearance are just that: variations. Some are heritable; some are not. I really don’t believe that what we are attracted to is all cultural. You would have t…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 07:45 PM
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I absolutely agree that it’s prostitution, but I’m amused at the number of men who believe a meal pays for sex acts. Thing is, men aren’t going to stop paying because they want to win a woman and beat their competitors. And some, if not most, attempt to obligate intimacy with the gesture. There is zero need for any man to ever complain about paying for dates again; they merely need to stop paying. Dating is voluntary.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 07:24 PM
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The Venn diagram of conspiracy theorists and tradcons is a circle.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 07:15 PM
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Mimic the authoritarian household they were raised in and play house. Sounds like women revoking their own power, but it plays out like a mundane sort of topping from the bottom. I don’t know a single traditional husband who isn’t completely whipped. They flock to deadbedrooms in droves.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 07:13 PM
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r/menwritingwomen
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 07:09 PM
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Don't see why not. Logic and reason?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 07:08 PM
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Women don’t need to “feel” pursued, women are pursued. Men want women more than women want men.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 07:07 PM
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That’s up to him, right? If he doesn’t want to pay, he can stop asking. This is entire debate is stupid each and every time it arises. Men devised the system in an attempt to obligate women to sex acts. Women perpetuate the system because they want women more than women want men, and men do love to show off and compete against other men. Any man who wants to opt out can just wait for a woman to ask him.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 07:06 PM
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Oh the manosphere rages when women don’t put out after they pay for a meal. Funniest thing is when women ask to split the bill and they rage twice as hard because they read the split as a rejection. Women can’t reject an offer they never agreed to, Kevin. She agreed to a slice, not a blow job
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 07:02 PM
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No woman in my sphere dating a traditional man. Trad men are in zero danger of being seduced by a progressive woman. Hope this helps.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 06:59 PM
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I’m not telling you what is correct; I'm telling you what men do. Men want to show off and obligate women. I took every man out on a hike or a paddle. I never paid for anything and neither did they. Funny thing was, each was happy to go out with me even though I didn’t have to pay for their company. Perhaps men should try coasting on their personality and desirability instead of raging against a system designed to extract sex from women.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 06:56 PM
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What does that have to do with my comment? Are “traditional men” dating modern feminists? Are modern feminists wildly attracted to traditional men? Doubt.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 06:40 PM
1

No, men set up the date and attempt to impress women in hopes of sexual gratification.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 06:39 PM
1

Most of the rebuttals from women on this subject will be some form of virtue signal claiming to be some rational "exception to the rule". Fuck that, smart women pay their share because they aren’t obligated to perform a sex act. Men who pay for a slice and a beer expect something in return. RP men rage when they don’t get any action after paying for a meal. Many men are deeply offended when a woman pays her own way because they see it as a rejection to their one-sided proposition. Those men are …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 06:34 PM
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Yep. If OP doesn’t want to pay, that’s okay because she has ten more men in her inbox waiting for a “yes”.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 06:24 PM
12

Men should stop expecting women to do all the household and child-rearing spending then.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 06:23 PM
9

Are there many modern feminists after traditional men? Seems unlikely, as does the reverse.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 06:23 PM
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Whoever asks for the date should pay, same as with friends. Or maybe stop taking women out to restaurants and shows and meet for a walk, coffee, or beer. If a man’s personality is charming and the chemistry is mutual, he won’t have to pay for a woman’s company.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 06:20 PM
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Maybe ask women if they remain attracted to a needy, jealous male partner who suffers from insecurity and dependence. I bet they won’t have any trouble at all telling you that utter dependence is unappealing. Next, ask women if they prefer men who keep them on read and play games to feign multiple options and desirability. Then, ask women if they can enjoy sex with a man they find unappealing and physically unattractive. And if you’re really feeling froggy, ask about “the ick”. I believe you’ll …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 05:43 PM
1

The “origins of human behavior” are useless conjecture because culture has a massive influence. Mormons with their Temple Garments are far less likely to masturbate and exMo women report have a terrible time figuring out sexual pleasure and orgasms. Women in arranged marriages aren’t happier than women in love marriages, they just know that the social and familial repercussions of divorce could destroy their lives and cost them their children. Porn abuse destroys relationships. Modern men who fe…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 05:30 PM
2

Tall, fit 30 fem year old in a male dominated field and male dominated hobbies. Here to work out the bullshit I put up with from my clients who are mostly entitled, white, wealthy married landowners who can’t keep their hands and sexual innuendo to themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 02:22 PM
1

As for “why”, I try to take a science based approach to things Why choose such a soft science? EP is heavily criticized and disenfranchised men flock to it in droves.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 02:12 PM
4

Unless the author is on the spectrum, which is usually obvious because black and white thinking is a dead giveaway, absolutes usually aren’t. Context is important. This is a pastime and no one should be expect to pen a two page disclaimer with every post.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 02:06 PM
1

What is “simple female nature”? Chemistry isn’t generated between people who don’t fancy each other. On this we agree, but RP and PUA claim that attraction can be manufactured with a series of cheat codes and “methods”.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 11:31 AM
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Nah men just refuse to believe that chemistry is a thing. Men can’t handle rejection so pretending women are shallow is easier on their ego.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 11:20 AM
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And men coming to me now would only make me angrier. Have made me angrier. This is not love. This is exploitation Men have been coming at me for my tits and body since I was a child. 99% of the men who have ever approached me have done so out of a purely selfish desire to use me. Sounds like you and I have something in common after all.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 05:57 AM
5

Red pill boilerplate.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 12:13 AM
1

Pathetic.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 12:06 AM
3

If he wanted to, he would.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 12:04 AM
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very traditional and gendered expectations for men So… the manosphere in a nutshell.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 12:03 AM
5

Right? Damn shame their deadbeat fathers didn’t contribute to their children’s upbringing. Thankfully their mothers demonstrated true character and devoted their lives to raising the children they created.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 11:56 PM
4

I am not.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 11:38 PM
5

Evidence in the manosphere points to the opposite.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 10:30 PM
8

Exclusively RP men. Men who actually have a social life aren’t online seeking cheat codes to get women to speak to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 09:34 PM
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There are no ugly men sexually active. And with every generation that passes that makes it hard for average and below average men to reproduce, one day these men with "unhinged opinions" will become the majority. It'll be fun. So ugly men are going to reproduce parthenogenically? (I’m not sure you understand how hilarious your threat is. “The grandchildren and great grandchildren of men who can’t get laid will avenge us!!” )
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 08:51 PM
5

Statistically, Women experience depression about twice the rate as men and the numbers keep increasing every year. Your conclusion is false. Statistically, women are more likely to seek medical treatment than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 07:43 PM
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The silence is deafening here. The head cheerleader becomes the villain when she rejects the president of the Chess Club in red pill land. The red pill is populated by “Nice Guys” who aren’t physically attractive or fun. Prove me wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/22 08:13 PM
3

Go for it. No one cares about weird sexual proclivities so long as no living people are forced to suffer someone else’s fetish.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/22 06:23 PM
2

Path of least resistance is a choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/22 06:16 PM
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Why should anyone care about illogical fantasies? Men reliably claim they are then rational and logical gender, but invariably whine they didn’t get the fitness model they deserve after spending a decade indulging in weird fetish porn.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/22 06:13 PM
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Most women are primarily attracted to older men Most women are primarily attracted to confident, relaxed men who are comfortable in their own skin. Sometimes they are older, sometimes younger. But you read the gross-out factor completely wrong. Every woman has had a disgusting older man/authority figure/family friend/coworker after her. Women remember how disgusted and icky it feels to have a man dad’s or teacher’s age flirting or propositioning her years before she felt physical sexual attracti…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/22 06:08 PM
10

Beats the shit out of wasting formative years on video games and jerking to increasingly depraved cartoons which represent busty Asian children.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/22 05:32 PM
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Dark triad, bad boys, bad guys, deadbeat dads, Chad... but the woman-hating, spit flying, frothing red pill devotees are better partners? nah.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/22 05:25 PM
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Nah, men can suck the oxygen right out of the room. Some are desperate, needy, dependent assholes. Mommy issues abound. Might want to check out the stats on who is more likely to initiate divorce proceedings and when. After the kids are independent, some women get sick of babysitting a grown ass man. BTW, some of those antidepressants are prescribed as pain meds. There are dozens of painful reproductive issues which do not resolve until hysterectomy or menopause. Women are far more likely than m…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/22 05:13 PM
1

It’s when a man decides he’s “in love” with a platonic friend who has shown zero romantic interest in him.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/22 01:13 PM
2

Men are emotional beings No MeN aRe LoGiCaL
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/22 02:53 AM
2

The majority of men are logical. Snerk
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/22 02:51 AM
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Nah, aside from the vanishingly small minority of asexuals, healthy women care about sex. Men don’t want to hear that. They prefer to believe that they are repeatedly rejected because “women don’t like sex” because that’s easier on the ego than the truth, which is “women don’t want that man”. Sex is fucking awesome so long as sex is with a man a woman is powerfully attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/22 02:40 AM
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And takes advice from “field reports” which read like an 8th grade Catholic school boy fantasy. “I held frame and ignored the hot bitch 8 while giving her overweight friend attention and she chased me to Starbucks and bought me a Grande and I’m writing this while she’s simultaneously sucking my dick and making scrambled eggz and her mom is coming over in the morning to wash and fold my clothes and tousle my hair”
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/22 02:09 AM
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Actually enjoying a social life, friendships, teams, achievements, and groups is human nature. The opposite is counter-productive to success.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 11:26 PM
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Does he want sex and a family from a woman he shares common interests, experiences, and goals with? Or does he want sex and a family from any woman he finds physically attractive regardless of common interests, experiences, and goals?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 11:12 PM
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I’m sorry, what? Define.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 10:15 PM
1

Oh, but they do. Fuck zone and relationship zone women who aren’t remotely attracted, then shameless blame her by claiming she “friendzoned” them.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 10:12 PM
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Except for the 1st one The first one is the worst one. Look up "kino touch" on reddit. Men tell one another that making excuses to put hands on women "trains their brains" to see men as sexual partners. Incredibly gross and desperate.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 09:14 PM
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Nope. If he behaves strangely, just have to watch for signs. •“May I see your watch/bracelet/ring?” “I want to sit beside you, not across” •Negging •Crude, classless probing questions about her ex boyfriends •Crude, classless references to his salary or conspicuous consumption purchases like cars or watches •Pushing drinks
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 08:58 PM
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One of the most important things to convey to women is that you’re attractive to other women Peak weird and awkward.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 08:53 PM
2

Then stop. Most people are excited about connecting with a person they share common interests and experiences with. Excited about spending time with someone they’ve been flirting with. If someone isn’t excited or is intimidated or exhausted by the process, it’s because they are pretending to be someone they are not in hopes of getting validation or sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 08:00 PM
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The person who wants it more should approach.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 07:14 PM
3

Why do sub-average men consistently put their platonic female friends in the fuck zone? Jesus. Take some ownership of your own feelings and behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 07:14 PM
3

You live in a fantasy world if you believe the number of subscribers and likes is an accurate representation of real, live human beings. Irrational. Illogical. Unreasonable. Unreachable.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 05:04 PM
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Dude. Are you really unaware that people who make income on social media pay for bots to pad their subscriber count? Do you need an explanation of how social media works? Do you know what a bot is?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 05:00 PM
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Whaat? A 6’4” man who can’t land a woman? That could only mean that height isn’t as important as the manosphere claims it is. Sir, they will hang you for this.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 04:58 PM
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Oh, but they are happy to admit they do not want female friends. They skipped all the steps of a healthy social life and hit their twenties demanding a method of tricking a woman into serving as a bang-maid. No pity whatsoever for men who view women as a means to an end.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 04:54 PM
0

That moment when someone realizes they are on the outside looking in.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 04:48 PM
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Sound advice is the same for men and women. Increase your social sphere so that you come in contact with more people who share your interests and experience. So that you have more people to do those activities with, which will add more people to a social sphere. But that’s for people who actually want a companion; who actually respect human beings for who they are rather than what services they can provide. Surely you’ve seen the hundreds of men who claim they don’t want female friends? The men …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 04:47 PM
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It doesn’t cater to everyone because the vast majority of people aren’t wasting their time on cheat codes, they have a social life. The manosphere is a niche for disenfranchised men. The average man doesn’t need it and most never heard of it except when it’s lampooned on SNL or other comedies.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 04:41 PM
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Do you think there might be a market out there for a more "wholesome" or "innocent" version of PUA? It already exists, and it’s called “a social sphere”.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 04:38 PM
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I mean, she ain’t askin’ Do you get it? Women aren’t begging men for tips and tricks on getting male validation.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 04:37 PM
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I sincerely hope that each and every single man who sought a manosphere education receives exactly the same treatment from women he’s putting out there.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 04:35 PM
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They get constructive advice but routinely reject it because it’s coming from women. They seek cheat codes and hacks because they choose to skip all the steps of treating others as human beings. They don’t care enough to treat others in the way they want to be treated; they just want to fuck.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 04:34 PM
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But dating and proving yourself is a nerve racking and exhausting chore for a lot of men. If it isn’t fun, you’re doing it wrong. Getting to know someone you’re interested in is exciting and fun. Flirting and exploring common interests is fun.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 04:32 PM
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Poking and prodding at women and using tricks or cheat codes on an actual human being is weird and cringe. Peacocking, pretending to be lost; magic tricks…everyone knows the routine.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 04:30 PM
1

Define “mainstream”.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 04:28 PM
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Because the idea that a man can create attraction with a woman who isn’t attracted is ludicrous. The manosphere harms inexperienced men by convincing them that they are doing something wrong if they fail to get a woman to have sex with them, and sending men out to get rejected 99 times for one phone number is brutal. It’s a gauntlet most men will never experience; typically developing people will not face more than a dozen rejections in a lifetime because typically developing people wait for som…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 04:27 PM
1

Is there any common sense to be found here? Reason? Logic? Women who are having sex with deadbeat men are also deadbeats. If a man whines about those women because he feels he is a better choice, what does that say about him? If any woman prefers to date, have sex with, and a relationship with a different man, that man is the better man.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 03:50 PM
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I work in a male dominated field, most of my clients are wealthy male landowners, and I’m the only woman in an office of 12 men. I also teach college students and most are male. Spent a couple years in IT with the other kind of not-so-masculine men, too. Illogical, irrational things men do: •Punch holes in the walls in a professional environment and destroy property they either bought with their own money or have to reimburse the company for. While claiming that men aren’t emotional •Go complete…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 02:56 PM
2

You are free to search any of the women’s threads about catcalling. You will find a universal experience and collective dismay that catcalling peaks around puberty and declines in the late teens.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 01:52 PM
0

If mens desire for much younger women is biological, it cannot be a moral action, can it? So which is it?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 12:46 PM
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I am an ordinary to moderately attractive woman and I wouldn’t change anything. Men are a pain in the ass now and half the time I wander the globe dressed like a dude. Certainly wouldn’t want to be a man led by my dick. I prefer logic and accountability is important to me. “My dick” is men’s universal excuse for everything from punching holes in walls in anger and sexual assault. I couldn’t live that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 12:35 PM
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Bullshit. All RP men want to control the narrative. They all want to be her first and only experience. No one to compare to.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 12:20 PM
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Men start catcalling and leering at girls when we are 10 or 11. Ask any woman and you’ll discover that the catcalling lessened a bit when women get a bit older and start resembling a woman. Do you hear me? Children. The sexual aggression is worse when we were children. I don’t give a fuck if you’re “grossed out”. We had to fucking live through that.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 12:18 PM
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No. Naïveté is the feature, not a bug. Men want young, inexperienced and insecure women so they can control them.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 03:04 AM
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Nah they probably look fine, they’re just assholes. That’s what PPD and RP get wrong every time. “Women love it when men are jerks” No, RP men pretend popular, successful men are jerks so they can shame women for choosing someone who isn’t them. The real jerks are the men who claim that women don’t care about personality and behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/22 09:57 PM
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It's what people mean by not negociating attraction. It's obviously what matters most to guys since it's the hardest step, but having long term relationship game is another ballpark that require a very different set of skill. “Game” cannot create rapport and common ground where there is none. You said it right the first time: attraction cannot be negotiated. Chemistry is either there, or it isn’t. But it's attraction, then personality. Not the other way around. Then why do so many ppd and RP men…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/22 05:06 PM
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So what’s wrong with all the PPD men who claim to be fit and attractive but have zero luck with women?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/22 04:19 PM
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The topic is chemistry, not character, and I don’t trust the motive of the reporters. Disenfranchised men paint all men who are successful with women as low quality.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/22 03:46 PM
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I didn’t agree that men who are popular with women are shitty. Obviously men who do well with women are more appealing than men who do not.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/22 03:40 PM
1

Stalking?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/22 03:39 PM
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If anything I owe you a thank you for making it far easier to mercilessly reject and shun men I’m not interested in. Most here claim rejections are painful, but since men aren’t invested in anything beyond superficial appearance I’m free to express annoyance and disgust.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/22 01:18 PM
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Oh I thought about it. You're quite clear about not caring anything at all about who she is as a person. She could stomp kittens and drive drunk regularly, but if she's pretty and likes you: you're all in.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/22 01:07 PM
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Mutual attraction is required for chemistry. A man's physical appearance is meaningless if he's awkward or intense, or if his attitude and behavior is repellent.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/22 01:03 PM
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If he has five kids, he is more appealing than the man with none.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/22 01:01 PM
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It's futile. They conflate one sided attraction with chemistry, and some are gullible enough to believe that chemistry can be manufactured with some combination of weight lifting and compliments.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/22 12:59 PM
0

Shitty men aren't appealing, that's why they are alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/22 12:52 PM
2

Picking and choosing based on interests and values is something people ...who respect others and value human beings rather than their body parts. I wonder if you even understand how abhorrent your post is.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/22 12:50 PM
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Doesn't matter if it's phony or authentic; chemistry isn't a man's attitude or behavior. It's the feeling when two people are mutually into one another.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/22 12:48 PM
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Men are obviously capable of feeling attraction to women who aren’t remotely interested. Chemistry is the feeling when two people are mutually invested.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/22 12:15 PM
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Chemistry is rapport and mutual attraction. Cocky behavior isn’t chemistry.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/22 12:13 PM
3

We don't fall in love with every attractive woman we see walking by. It seems as though any attractive woman will do for most men, especially red pill men who don’t value women’s company other than what she can do for them in bed. It’s evident that red pill men don’t regard women as fully human; but frivolous accessories. A means to an end. And if that means to an end has a pleasant face and body: they will pursue regardless of wildly differing values and goals.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/22 11:22 AM
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Men here definitely downplay the importance of chemistry and most aren’t able to describe it. They seem to feel that merely finding a woman physically attractive is chemistry. They don’t seem to require mutual attraction or rapport; they don’t care about common interests and common experiences. Men here mention unrequited love and falling for disinterested friends so often it appears they don’t care if their feelings are reciprocal at all. The biggest tell is how often men claim that they can le…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/22 10:51 AM
3

Like pee standing up?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/22 10:45 AM
1

the chemistry is the product of physical attraction,the more physically attractive you are,the more chemistry you can bring No it isn’t. Chemistry is the measure of mutual attraction and rapport between two people.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/22 10:44 AM
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No amount of game can compensate for a lack of common ground.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/22 10:42 AM
4

I think you’re overestimating gravitas and frame, which is appropriate at work but far less appealing at a social event. You’ve described opposite of a popular guy. Your man kills the mood.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/22 10:41 AM
1

Physical attraction is absolutely necessary for typically developing people who intend to have a sex life.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/22 10:31 AM
1

Absolutely. The photos are the first impression. If a man posts a blurry, awkward smile or a cropped candid at a wedding, he’s putting minimum effort into his profile/first impression.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/22 06:43 AM
9

Major outsider vibes.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/22 06:15 AM
11

How are you observing entire conversations and banter?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/22 06:13 AM
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No, but there is no amount of physical beauty that will compensate for a shit personality or awkward demeanor. Plenty of attractive men at the gym who might as well be neuters they are so aggressive or weird.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/22 06:07 AM
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There is a difference. Men don’t seem to value rapport and common interests and experiences; appearance alone seems sufficient for most. This is why explaining chemistry and mutual attraction is such a pain in the ass. Men don’t seem to recognize chemistry or require mutual interest.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/22 06:05 AM
3

He should focus on representing his true self and the two determine if there is common ground and mutual attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/22 06:02 AM
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Shit take. Attraction and chemistry requires more than appraisal of a man’s appearance. A man with symmetrical features who is objectively physically attractive may have a repellent personality or attitude. Might be rude, crude, or socially uncouth.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/22 06:01 AM
1

For online dating? Obviously.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/22 05:56 AM
1

You mean the study in which women were asked to rate bad photos of a handful of men? And not the men themselves? But men who take comparatively blah photos? The photo study which did not take actual, live men into account, but hazy, flat, boring photos of men? That study?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/22 01:55 AM
10

No it isn’t, it’s just that the alternative is worse. Needy and dependent behavior is repellent and it’s a certain method of killing attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/22 07:13 PM
0

What argument are we having? Or rather, what argument are you having? I didn’t make a single assertion which requires evidence. I have an opinion based on my experience. Do you know the difference between opinion and fact?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/22 04:36 PM
1

Most women cannot eyeball length/size/volume/distance etc very well. Most women have been doing crafts, sewing, cooking and and making household improvements since childhood. I find that there is a rather wide gap in spatial perception between genders. Men are terrible at sizes because they don’t have sewing, cooking, crafting, and home decor experience and most men aren’t as focused on fashion and fit as women.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/22 03:21 PM
1

I have no idea where you are shopping but the inseam is listed on the tag of every pair of Levi’s, American Eagle, J Crew, Banana Republic, Gap, Old Navy, 7 for All Mankind…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/22 01:21 PM
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Of course they do, the inseam is on the product description online, on catalogs, and on the tags. Do you see a lot of women walking around with their ankles exposed, or walking on them hems of their pants? A lot of women walking on the hems of their sundresses?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/22 01:15 PM
0

Myth. Women know every inch of their bodies just as men do. Women have to buy the correct inseam and skirt length; they know how tall they are in heels, and they know the heights of men in their families. The number of men who swear I'm taller than six feet because they are six feet tall is higher than the men who don't comment on my height. I've had a couple friends ask me to stand beside their new boyfriends because the men claimed to be taller than they are. Both men were lying. Don't lie; do…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/22 01:04 PM
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The height at which his insecurity is evident.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/22 01:00 PM
2

That’s interesting, had no idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/22 06:40 PM
3

Because chemistry and mutual physical attraction is essential to sex. If I'm not powerfully attracted, if there isn't obvious and reciprocal chemistry, the idea of his tongue in my mouth is repulsive.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/22 01:40 PM
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But neither can the nervous man, who's been told that fidgeting and glancing are ways to tell if you're being invited over. I don't know how you all do it, frankly. I can't tell you how many times I've felt someone watching me and frantically backtracked to whatever fidgeting I was doing so I could prepare to back out of whatever social contract I'd forged just because my hair was in my eyes. The people around me are not indecisive or reserved. I'm unfamiliar with signals and shyness and I'm rea…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/22 01:38 PM
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So pulling my skirt up over my own head was unladylike?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 11:08 PM
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I never liked a man until I knew the chemistry was mutual, which was easy to figure out with a little flirting and banter. Then I asked him out. No “simping”, no asking a friend to discover if he was into me, no showing off or whatever. There isn’t anything slutty about chatting, flirting, or confirming mutual interest before directly asking someone out. Also little to no risk. Once you’ve confirmed mutual attraction then a simple “Wanna go for a hike” or “We should see that show/movie/exhibit/n…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 08:17 PM
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It’s a warning not to sabotage yourself and someone else by expecting them to entertain you, to serve as your therapist, bank, family, nurse, maid, sex toy; repairman. It’s also a reminder that if you are a miserable, unhappy person, that may not change when you get what you believe you want. Consider the number of suicides among the famous and wealthy.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 07:31 PM
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Probably won’t work for people who have no friends or whose friends don’t enjoy their company.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 06:13 PM
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But they don't have to be with someone they feel has too little or too much experience Of course not. I’m saying that this isn’t a real concern in real life. Most people date within their social sphere and there is a pretty low risk of getting trapped with a partner with wildly differing experiences. How hard is it to date within your church, avoid hook up apps, and stay away from substance abusers? Men here seem to believe there are vast hordes of horny women hellbent on ensnaring virgin males.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 04:28 PM
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Not in real life. Adults don’t talk about things like this; it’s understood that character stands alone. Besides that, people who are fixated on someone’s past sexual experience should understand they are neither entitled to that information or likely to get the truth. Anyone older than 17 or so should bet that their partner has some experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 04:11 PM
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Like I said, zero accountability. An utter stranger adrift isn’t trustworthy and is a huge risk. Very few people in this world want to serve as a loner’s sole source of support. There is very little about loner begging for validation which is attractive. Also, it’s very hard for me not to resent that person because he contributes to the collective alienation of disenfranchised men. Setting inexperienced men up to cope with humiliating rejections and encouraging them to skip social venues where m…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 03:50 PM
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He linked to an article advising women of the proper way to reject men.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 03:16 PM
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I'm saying there's a way we can do this without needing to feel like we're being propositioned It doesn't matter how you try to spin it, propositioning is what pick up is. You want something from someone who is busy doing something else and who has shown zero interest in the sales pitch.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 03:13 PM
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I've had to deal with ppl in social groups who spreads rumors and lies while pretending to be a friend to my face about it. Should you still rely on social groups knowing this? This sounds like a unique experience. Are you aware of the concept of social proof? If a man or woman has a group of friends who are laughing and chatting, he seems likable and trustworthy. More importantly, that person is accountable for their actions and attitude. A loner is not socially accountable for anything, and as…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 03:11 PM
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Can't argue in good faith to save your life, can you? Is the used car salesmen who stops you in Target and attempts to sell you a car you don't want a "friend"? Is the guy on your softball team who brought you an ice pack when you took a line drive to the shin your friend? Can you, CocoBabeNYC, tell the difference between a friend and a self-serving solicitor?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 03:06 PM
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Do you also think of any woman who cold approaches a man as “desperate and horny” Ask men.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 03:03 PM
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The only type of approach that should be acceptable It doesn't matter what should, it's what happens with enough frequency that every woman you know has been verbally attacked or startled enough to seek help by a stranger she ignored or rejected. None of you, not one man on the pick up or seduction subs, admits they flip out and get wildly combative when rejected. But this is what happens when men set one another up to annoy strangers. You reassure men that women like it, that pick up is desirab…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 03:02 PM
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Jesus. Well let’s start with not encouraging him to subject himself to the dehumanizing effect of 99 rejections.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 02:20 PM
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By cultivating and maintaining a social circle. Hobbies, sports, interests, clubs. Concerts, clubs, bars, festivals, farmers markets, bowling alleys, baseball games, football, soccer, tennis, golf, art shows, volunteer opportunities, fundraising events, meetups, Hash House Harriers, cycling clubs, car shows, museum and zoo events, cookouts, social groups on social media. My friend and I run a Facebook group with all of our friends and acquaintances. Two posts this morning: “I want to try the new…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 02:18 PM
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If people truly wanted to help they would emphasize a social life in high school. Reach the teenagers and talk about moderating gaming and porn use; encourage making friends and going out to be with people in person. Sports, clubs, anything at all which puts young men in contact with people in real life. There are people here on PPD who are utterly broken by rejections after trying for years to talk to strangers, when a simple group of friends and social activities would change everything.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 02:09 PM
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The point is to increase your social sphere and your comfort with women. Who promised you that women will offer their friends to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 02:04 PM
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I’m so angry at the predatory “dating coaches” who take advantage of lonely men. While they get paid with subscriptions and clicks, lonely men are being sent out into a rejection gauntlet then mercilessly shamed when they return to complain about the humiliation of repeated rejections.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 01:59 PM
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I don’t like being interrupted by desperate, horny men of any caliber, and in the fifteen years I’ve been on the receiving end of pick up attempts, not one has been remotely attractive or socially astute. PPD men do love their hypotheticals, but I’ll stick to logic and reason, thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 01:57 PM
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It’s experience and precisely what OP is advocating and socially awkward loners are the target audience for predatory “dating coaches”. Disenfranchised men are the target market for the manosphere; men with social skills aren’t paying dating coaches with clicks, likes, and subscriptions.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 01:54 PM
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I’ve been on the receiving end of pick up since I was fifteen, and they aren’t. Attractive men with good social skills have a social circle and go to social venues; they aren’t lurking around malls and Target.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 01:52 PM
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That guy isn’t picking up strangers in the grocery store. Try harder. People, both men and women, prefer attention from those they find attractive. Rejecting or ignoring an unwanted interruption because he or she is ugly is exactly as appropriate as ignoring the approach because someone is preoccupied or busy. The beggar doesn’t get to control the outcome.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 01:50 PM
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Because he is smart enough to realize that interruptions are not always appropriate and welcome.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 01:48 PM
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Question for OP. How do you feel about the men who flip the fuck out and start cussing and yelling when rejected? I’ve been physically restrained twice, had men reach for my arm or elbow, had a man follow me to the parking lot, had a man waiting at my car. Been called names and threatened. And I’m ordinary looking and tall and fit. I can’t imagine how petite women feel about the potential for aggression. You have no idea how stressful it is to wonder “What’s this guy going to do if I say no”. Wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 01:47 PM
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Sad part is the pick up community is filled with people on the spectrum or who otherwise lack social experience and they tell that any glance in their direction is an “IOI” or indicator of interest. Of course most lone women notice a man with his head on a swivel who is obviously shopping for women, he stands out in any crowd. She’s keeping an eye on him because he’s been staring at her or following her and they believe that’s a “signal” to approach. Same with touching hair, adjusting clothing, …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 01:38 PM
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You and fifty other men in the same location also think she is pretty and want to fuck her. There isn’t anything remotely special about that. Men will fuck anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 01:29 PM
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Except the PUA community blatantly advises men to hit nonsocial venues because “there is no competition from other men, no men to ‘White Knight’ and intervene if the attention is unwanted, and because it’s easier to find women alone instead of with a group of friends”. Its straight predatory. In social venues it isn’t a cold approach because people are there to socialize and mingle and they have at least one obvious common interest. But they avoid those places because they know what they are doi…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 01:25 PM
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If you're just suggesting that you like their company and offer to keep in touch You know absolutely zip about her, why are you pretending you like her company? Be honest and admit that you like her face and body, because that is all you know about her.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 01:20 PM
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The reason it has such a high rejection rate is because in any given store and on any given sidewalk, there are 20+ men who would happily date or have sex with a woman so there is absolutely nothing flattering or special about the pushy guy. As the other poster said, outside of a social venue, pick up reads as desperate and needy, or in the case of the guy who said “I don’t care if women like it or not”, entitled. None of those behaviors are attractive at all, regardless of the script or techniq…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 01:18 PM
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I’m wondering the same about you. Good looking men with social skills don’t follow women around stores or down sidewalks, they don’t make up phony reasons to talk to women. When has a good looking man with friends ever had to wander the grocery store pretending to need help cooking things? When has that man ever had to pretend to be lost or need help in order to get a woman to validate his ego?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 01:14 PM
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can you ask open ended questions that doesn't always end with a yes or not question, and can you lead the conversation towards what you want to figure out The prepared script is why cold approachers come off so awkward and peculiar. A sales pitch out of context, like the people are the beach selling timeshares and religious proselytizers shoving pamphlets in your hand while blocking your exit. Organic small talk looks nothing like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 01:09 PM
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The high rejection rate alone should be a deterrent. No man should ever have to endure 99 rejections in a lifetime, much less in a year. Setting other inexperienced men up to fail over and over is unconscionable. Young men should be encouraged to cultivate and maintain a social circle and attend social events and social venues, where meeting new people and mingling is the norm.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 01:04 PM
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I didn’t put words in your mouth, I quoted you directly and responded to your words. I changed absolutely nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 01:00 PM
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Men who are attractive and socially astute don’t cold approach, they have friends and a social life,
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 12:59 PM
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it's submissive behaviour. Basically begging for attention. This is true. Whether it's an entitled sales pitch or a desperate desire for validation, it's not appealing.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 11:54 AM
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I don't really care how she feels about it. This is why women should never, ever feel bad about ignoring a PUA or flat walking away without a word.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 11:53 AM
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What if you don't have any friends? I do not want to be Nick’s sole source of validation, entertainment, and emotional support. What if you had toxic friends? People generally get what they have to offer. If everyone around Nick is flawed and unpleasant, he may be the common denominator. What if the people in your social circle aren't the ones that you want to date, but the ones you do belong to circles outside of it? That’s the beauty of a social sphere; people to do activities with. People are…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 11:48 AM
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Same question again? Has it been a week already?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/22 11:53 PM
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Are you claiming that all attractive people have terrible character and nefarious intentions? That the only “good men” in the world are ugly men? Come on.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/22 10:04 PM
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Halo effect is the new catchphrase here, innit? Cute. Are you going to claim that everyone who is attractive is automatically wicked? That attractive people can’t possibly be kind and generous because of their very nature, or even as a side effect of a cushy life?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/22 08:09 PM
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Perhaps learning the difference between objective and subjective would help.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/22 03:36 PM
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What do you think "the entire person" means? Of fucking course physical attraction is important to women, but a man's outward physical appearance alone, you know, that stupid livestock rating scale men use to describe the value of a human being, isn't all there is for women. Looks are a component of physical attraction for women, along with charisma, sense of humor, sense of fun, intelligence. Men continually rank people on a scale which describes their outward appearance alone because they don'…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/22 01:47 PM
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That is kind, thank you.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/22 08:39 AM
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Is it an important distinction? Any self improvement endeavor can yield positive internal and external results. Net good is a… net good.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/22 05:30 AM
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Can you elaborate? I’m guilty of feeling uncomfortable around a man who takes everything seriously; intense, brooding man who appears to stare and evaluate others. I wouldn’t call him creepy, but I would also argue that he isn’t doing “nothing”. OP sits in class with his hood up. That’s peculiar. A man who buys a drink for a woman who has shown him zero interest is also peculiar; he can’t buy her affection or attention if she hasn’t shown any interest. It’s presumptuous, and a little creepy. I f…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/22 05:29 AM
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Oh but they do enjoy their audacity. I’m sure one will come along and blame movies and Disney for teaching him that he deserves a sexy princess who will love him for who he is.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/22 01:14 AM
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The quickest answer is critical thinking. I couldn’t settle down with anyone or respect anyone who believes in conspiracy theories, homeopathy or multi-level marketing. I’ve had men approach me to flirt and admit they’ve never read a book or express belief in ghosts or astrology. Outside or Brigham Young or similar, the experience of attending college exposes students to a diverse population and diverse culture. Learning to get along with others and accept diverse cultural or social political be…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/22 12:42 AM
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It’s a threat alright. Eliot Rodger fans exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/22 06:59 PM
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Since when? Trades often pay higher than professions. College isn’t necessary for a high paying career. Garbage men make decent money, electricians, plumbers, and HVAC specialists make bank.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/22 06:45 PM
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Most schools and all colleges are co-ed. Boys and men have precisely the same opportunities to join clubs and sports teams they always did. The same number of opportunities to host an attend parties and cookouts exist. Aside from the two years Covid was rampant, the same number of concerts, festivals, clubs, bars, and shows exist. Introverted men choose to stay home and play games or watch porn. They choose the manosphere over going out and cultivating and maintaining a social sphere. Most men a…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/22 06:41 PM
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How tall are you?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/22 06:38 PM
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Men: “Women, please give men compliments and smile at men” Also men: “When women are friendly I always assume they want me”
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/22 06:29 PM
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Not all women even want children, but neither of these are real concerns. If a woman does choose to have a child in her forties are beyond there are numerous avenues for her, the last of which is desperately searching for a man to fill in the dad space in family photos.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/22 06:12 PM
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Too much Hollywood.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/22 06:10 PM
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Testosterone begins to decline at 30, and balding, paunchy men with iffy sexual ability aren’t more attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/22 06:09 PM
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Ugly men with social success are cool. Disenfranchised ugly men are mean as hell.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/22 05:51 PM
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Every time a woman has sex her motive is to form a serious long-term relationship with the guy. Oh god, no. Men are a pain in the ass, and it takes time to discover if he is going to be a cool, equal partner or needy, dependent whiny-ass or a game and porn addicted bum. Healthy women with a typical sex drive need to establish the presence or absence of chemistry right away because no woman wants to commit to a man whose touch she can’t stand. Men will settle for any woman whose appearance is acc…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/22 03:55 PM
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Loneliness and resentment grow and do NOT stop once he has a girlfriend. Exactly, because he’s still pining away for the beautiful, fit women he believes he “deserves” and he still measures women against his porn habit. She will never be enough for him and he will never stop resenting her exes and past sexual experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/22 03:51 PM
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Revenge fantasies. All evidence points to the opposite: women seek divorce in most cases, single, child-free women report the highest happiness of any group. Men are over represented on every dating app including those for middle aged folks and seniors.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/22 03:48 PM
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Fantasy. Women don’t need men for a baby. They can adopt, babysit, freeze eggs, artificial insemination; foster care.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/22 03:28 PM
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that there is a phenomenon women marrying men strictly for the purpose of divorce payouts. Horseshit. There is an endless supply of lonely single men. There will be no lonely cat ladies unless they choose to be single.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/22 03:24 PM
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Doesn’t matter. Still an enormous, never ending pool of single divorced men out there dying for a partner. The myth of the lonely cat lady is nothing more than a revenge fantasy.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/22 03:14 PM
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Quite a few assumptions in this post, but even if your assessment is correct, why would a woman choose bad sex with a man she isn’t attracted to over a man she is attracted to?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/22 03:04 PM
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Red Pill men: “Women and men are separate species” Also Red Pill men: “Women act just like men and that’s gross”
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/22 03:00 PM
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Ma’am, I’ll be serving as your counsel. Do not admit thought crimes to Red Pill Police. They get very upset at the idea that a woman fantasizes about a hotter man. There is only one thing worse than a non-virgin woman in the RP community, and that’s a woman who settled for the very man who demanded she lower her standards. I’ll come back for you when they set your bail. In the meantime, don’t admit to anything fun or exciting and keep your hands out of your pants. No masturbation, no errant thou…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/22 02:53 PM
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“In shape” isn’t sufficient for average. Personality, behavior, and attitude are as important as whatever he sees in the mirror.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/22 02:47 PM
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Average men are not " nicer" than hot dudes Yep. Hot dudes may or may not want a relationship, but they actually like women and have female friends. “Nice guys” are vengeful.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/22 02:46 PM
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Hot guy. I never want bad sex with a man I’m not attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/22 02:45 PM
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It’s not weird. It’s also no one’s business but yours.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/22 12:53 AM
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I mean, you didn’t know that most women cannot orgasm via penetration alone, so yeah. You should probably talk with her. And while you’re at it, Google “model of clitoris” because you may not realize how enormous the entire organ is when compared to the tiny external bit visible above the labia.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 09:58 PM
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Back in my blue pill days, I bought into this bullshit and thought that girls wanted to be fucked slow and lovingly and tenderly. This was never a blue pill idea, it’s another example of men’s misguided beliefs about women . Men admit they follow old movie tropes and believe the nerd can land the head cheerleader via persistence and sheer will. Men put women on a pedestal and assume that sex degrades women and it must be done tenderly in order to preserve her dignity. Men believe that women are …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 04:34 PM
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You left out “There is only a 1 in 10 chance that a woman will orgasm with a one night stand and men usually have a hair trigger with a new lover” Plus all the other gross and potentially gross things you listed. Why would anyone have bad sex with a potential weirdo if they knew they weren’t likely to orgasm? Women don’t want to be used as a sperm repository, how can you blame them?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 02:58 AM
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Cultivate and maintain a social sphere so you have people to go out and do things with. Women are more comfortable talking to men who have friends than they are the odd loner. Social proof is a real phenomenon. If others like you, that means you’re likable. And a social circle means people to hold you accountable for your actions.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 12:21 AM
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You can, so long as you aren’t talking to red pill men. Maybe someday the disenfranchised men here will actually accept the fact that men chastise them for disclosing feelings; not women. Maybe someday men here will recognize the real enemies are the men who insist on maintaining an authoritarian style of management and parenting. The red pill is where men go to seek approval of father figures, and as demonstrated in this thread: they don’t approve, either. They make things worse by insisting on…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/22 05:53 PM
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I’m not your huckleberry. Your red pill brothers are guilty of belittling and minimizing men’s struggle in favor of upholding red pill platitudes. Confront them. Confront the red pill principles which are causing men far more harm than good.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/22 05:18 PM
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Women aren’t the problem. You are letting your red pill brothers tell you what you can and cannot say and can and cannot feel. Confront them the way you do women. Lay into those red pill men who are belittling men in this thread for sharing feelings.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/22 05:00 PM
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You are allowing men to chastise you for expressing disappointment. Not women. Read the comments above you and recognize who is making fun of men who are hurting. It’s your red pill brothers pointing and laughing, minimizing your concerns.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/22 04:49 PM
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You can. OP isn’t wrong and it’s far easier to feel sympathy for someone who is sincerely discouraged than someone raging and threatening to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/22 04:27 PM
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Ick.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/22 11:13 PM
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Should be easy enough for you to link or name the title of some genuine female orgasms in commercial porn, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/22 06:00 PM
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There’s plenty hetero porn that meets those needs these days (and free too). Link it or name it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/22 05:52 PM
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Men in porn are not getting women off Do you want to watch a man try to shove a flaccid dick into a woman? Because that is what watching commercial porn with men is like. In lesbian or solo porn, the partner is actually doing what feels good and bringing a partner to orgasm.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/22 05:51 PM
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Co-signed. A man may be symmetrical and attractive in a photo; good looking across the room. But his personality can make or break his appeal. Same with an ordinary, ugly, short, fat, bald or whatever man. If he has a physical flaw and is a self-conscious jerk, he's ugly. If he's hilarious and relaxed and fun, if he's a good flirt, he's far more attractive than his physical features.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/22 01:44 PM
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If you've watched commercial porn, watching unaroused women pretend to enjoy the ridiculous things an actor is doing to her is all you've seen. Go spend some quality time on r/ orgasmcontractions. Really explore and take note of what aroused labia and clits look like. Don't just focus on the contractions; any woman can flex those muscles because it feels good to her and to a partner, and women could easily fake the contractions if they wanted to. Really notice how those women are breathing, how …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/22 01:16 PM
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Then why make the claim? That’s kind of embarrassing, isn’t it? If someone kept insisting that the sky is red, what would you think of that person and their argument?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/22 02:00 AM
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I think there are quite a few analytical, obsessive, hyperfocused personality types who are confounded by the subtleties of human interaction and emotion and keep trying to decipher they formula for pussy.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/22 01:59 AM
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That isn’t evidence, and your numbers are a wild-ass, unsupported claim.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/22 01:03 AM
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There was a long front page thread on 2X in which I asked a man in a porn discussion how he could tell women were enjoying it. He answered “Women who are hating sex don’t get that wet.” When I explained that excited labia are swollen and dark pink to reddish, clits grow engorged and those women in commercial porn are soaked with lube, he balked and argued. And so did 50+ men who swore that “All vaginas are different and you don’t know what they all look like” When I asked if any enjoyed watching…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/22 12:32 AM
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Backseats of cars since the 1930s entered the chat. Things get a little slippery for teens who are “just making out.” Accidents happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/22 12:25 AM
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Same here. I can watch men jerk off, but I cannot watch another sweaty ogre attempt the erase a pale, frightened clitoris of an obviously unexcited woman wincing in pain and willingly suffer the second hand embarrassment at his ineptitude. Commercial porn is horrific. The women are not excited.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/22 12:18 AM
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I just find it hard to believe that this many men who are in good shape with higher than average income are having this much trouble dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/22 12:11 AM
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None of the men in my sphere do anything without inviting women. Every outing is a mixed group whether it’s camping or floating a river or a concert. They don’t have to be dating or even potentially attracted; mixed groups are just more fun and more welcoming to strangers, too, who often join us. Red pill men hate women and admit they don’t have any female friends and seem to enjoy their sausage fests. They don’t relate to women at all because they refuse to spend time with any. Most are one rej…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 05:19 PM
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but if I was a woman and wanted to know what men liked, I could just check one of those pages. This is insane.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 03:22 PM
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99% of the men in this sub express the belief that they are being used for free meals and their evidence is that sex didn’t happen after they paid for her food. Maybe 25% of men insist on traditional roles and get angry if the woman wants to split the check because they read that as a rejection, as they assumed the meal bought a sexual act. Men here also get upset that a woman doesn’t want to be picked up at her place or go to his place afterward. “I’m not a rapist; statistics don’t support wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 03:07 PM
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Finding a man who shares sociopolitical ideology is difficult because men hide their anti-science bias and belief in conspiracy theories. Finding a man who shares a woman's hobbies and interests in difficult because men don't care if they have anything at all in common. Finding a man who doesn't believe that he is owed sex because he bought her a greasy slice and a beer is difficult. Finding a man who isn't offended if she asks to split the check is difficult, and finding one who isn't offended …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 02:01 PM
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Same here, but the “nice guy” frames every popular man as a villain.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 08:41 AM
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It’s the same name, r/ whenwomenrefuse
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 03:27 AM
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Yeah they do. They frame every man who gets the girl as a perceived rival and make him out to be a villain when his actual crime is being “not boring”.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 02:44 AM
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There is a sub here, too. Updated an hour ago. A man strangled and beat his 17 year old coworker to death because she didn’t want to go out with him. She tried to fight back. He’s covered in scratches in the mug shot.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 02:32 AM
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I don’t give a shit when security guards escort “pick up artists” out of the mall or ban them from stores and the gym. When bigger, stronger onlookers threaten men who follow or bother women at the park. I’ve even been part of group applause when aggressive men get bounced out of clubs and bars.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 02:29 AM
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The entire thread provides context for the title which specifies beautiful women. Go away.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 10:29 PM
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Answering the title as written isn’t a Freudian slip, but keep trying to cover your foolish error. If you can’t be arsed to read the title, why bother with context, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 10:26 PM
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I answered the OP as it was written, and you failed at “gotcha” because your reading comprehension sucks.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 10:07 PM
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So you skipped the title of the post? What kind of women is the OP addressing? Can you read the title to the class?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 09:47 PM
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Ideally they should try to date people who are interested in them rather than pestering every woman they pass.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 06:30 PM
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So at what point do I deserve to be regarded as a human being rather than a potentially fuckable set of tits?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 06:12 PM
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You failed to explain why a man’s romantic interest is a woman’s problem to solve. Lots of men misinterpret friendliness, which is why women grow increasingly reluctant to be friendly to men. Which leads to men whining about wanting compliments from women. But if women give men compliments or show them any kindness whatsoever, men assume their romantic interest is returned. Women can’t win because men never stop wanting women's time and attention. Men are just fucking exhausting.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 06:11 PM
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Rejected man gets pissy, news at 11
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 06:06 PM
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What can a female frined offer to a man that a male friend cannot This is bizarre. What do you get/give from your male friends? Is one sufficient? Or do you have multiple friends from different backgrounds who bring different life experiences to the table?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 05:57 PM
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Chad.” I believe that there are many women who are genuinely attracted to average men. Yeah, they are called “average women”, and those women still prefer average men *they are physically attracted to” over average men they aren’t attracted to. Unless someone is on the ACE spectrum, physical attraction is important.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 05:54 PM
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Who cares. Are you listening at all? I dress like a dude so men will leave me the fuck alone and here you are thinking I need reassuring that certain men will still find me attractive. I do not care if men I’m not attracted to find me attractive. I’m utterly disinterested in the approval of men I don’t know and don’t want to know.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 05:51 PM
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es that say about woman that they are more eager to fuck a plastic object than a human of the sex they claim to be attracted to? It says that a plastic object is a safer, more reliable outlet for her sex drive than most men.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 05:47 PM
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The fuck?? He’s getting friendship, same as she is. Same thing he “gets” from his male friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 05:36 PM
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I find it hard to believe that those men ever believed that women don’t possess a sex drive and that physical attraction isn’t important to women because this same men call women sluts and whores.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 05:33 PM
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Women aren’t responsible for men’s romantic or sexual interest, what are you even talking about?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 05:31 PM
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then it should be assumed that he's romantically interested. Sounds like a him problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 05:30 PM
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People who can’t make small talk, keep a social setting pleasant and copacetic, who don’t know how to dress for an occasion - for these people, dating will be extended hard. Yep. Intensity and heavy expectations aren’t appealing, and it’s difficult to explain that to people in search of a formula for romantic success.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 04:37 PM
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No. I think online men suffer just world fantasies and refuse to put in the effort to cultivate a social sphere. They believe they deserve the attention Chad gets because their rich internal life is somehow more virtuous than Chad’s good times.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 04:34 PM
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If she wanted to, she would.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 03:35 PM
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I wonder if most women are aware that friendliness usually comes off as interest, and it’s worse the more beautiful they are. Whether it’s intentional or not, it has the same affect though. More projection than IMAX.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 03:02 PM
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Because it's 95 fucking degrees.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 03:00 PM
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The manosphere's loudest complaint is that women prefer attention from men they are attracted to rather than attention from men they aren't attracted to. Not sure why that's a troubling concept for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 02:48 PM
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Was showing that I’d think it was a crime ? Men will cut off a nut for female validation. Make utter clowns of themselves for female attention so they assume women want it, too. But as 20+ men in this thread have said, most men find most women attractive and they gawk and comment constantly. The attention isn't valuable because it's constant, and even less valuable because 99.9% of the men who are "paying attention" aren't remotely appealing to the woman they are staring at.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 02:46 PM
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If there is no padding, nipples show and that makes men even more irritating and aggressive with leering. Perhaps men need blinders in public, like errant horses.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 02:44 PM
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It doesn’t require skin to be shown, just a little curve, that’s all men need. Who cares what men "need"? Men have access to all the porn the world has to offer in the little box in their pants. They don't need to creep on real live women with a sliver of skin showing. It doesn’t make you less human to want attention, just less decent, it’s what makes us human. What?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 02:34 PM
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Women definitely need male validation. Thats why they always posting thirsty trips. Of all the women in the world, how many post thirst traps? Men approach women because they want to fuck them. And damn near every approach fails because men's wishful thinking supersedes logic and reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 02:32 PM
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The Red Pill Build a Man kit comes with free birth control built in.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 01:27 PM
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Right? The Venn diagram between both is nearly a circle. They sound very similar, as though designed by Red Pill devotees. The idea of the perfect man as designed by men is not the perfect man for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 01:20 PM
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Repelled by: Seeks validation from others(This isn't a bad thing honestly in moderation, but it becomes a problem when you forget to show love and appreciation for your very own self, but this is definitely helpful if done right as it can help foster positive reinforcement amongst others) Peacocking Likes to dominate other men(showing off his status and physique one way or the other) Very hardass and agressive(most gurus definitely fit this bill) -Very fashion-concious(again nothing wrong with b…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 01:19 PM
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How often do you see a woman in public who is overweight? How often do you see women in public with tattoos, technicolor hair, wild nails, sloppy clothing, short hair, multiple piercings, defined muscles or any of the other dozens of body mods and lifestyle choices which do not appeal to most men? Women have their own personal style and fashion choices and men's opinions have no significance.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 01:11 PM
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Women who seek attention and sexual validation from strange men do not represent all women, or even most women.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 01:08 PM
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Likes aren't men, and neither are unattractive men that a woman is never going to date. In the worst case scenario crafted by the very worst kind of woman, extra "likes" might serve to show the man she is interested in that she is desirable by others. But those "likes: aren't real people and they matter not at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 01:06 PM
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"I'm not a Playa I just crush a lot"? This is the cutest, most naive thing I've seen on PPD. The original lyrics are "I'm not a player, I just fuck a lot". "Crush a lot" is the Christian edit.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 01:04 PM
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Then why does it feel so very creepy and disgusting when men stare? You two describe it as reverence but it comes across as antagonistic and aggressive.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 01:02 PM
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Self validation of females come from male attention. The vast majority of men are invisible to women and some are an utter nuisance. The manopshere exists precisely because women aren't interested in most men. Take a hint.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 12:59 PM
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Wishful thinking. I suppose it makes men feel they have some power if they suffer the delusion that women do things specifically to gain male approval. Even though every man alive will tell you: women don’t notice most men and are disgusted by much of the attention men pay to them. 99.9% of men who might notice the average woman is wearing makeup is utterly invisible and insignificant. But if believing women ache for your approval makes you feel important, so what. Whatever gets you through the …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 12:25 PM
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No, “I only find 1/100 men physically attractive enough to compel flirting or dating” A lot of people are attractive. Pretty much anyone with a natural grin and a decent sense of style is attractive, but there is zero reason to act on that. Notice and move on.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 12:22 PM
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Explain thirst traps Why? Fashion, makeup, and modeling is a hobby for some. Men, too, there are male influences flexing and posing on every platform. “Likes” aren’t people. It’s harmless attention and for a handful of those people, it’s an income. push-up bras God, get over yourself. For women over a b cup, every bra pushes them up. Support is the point of a bra. Men have a fucking litter of kittens if a woman skips the bra, shit their pants in phony offense if a woman’s cleavage is showing. No…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 12:19 PM
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Men know it’s bullying behavior. Shaming women for existing in the earth while ignoring men. They claim “it’s just a compliment” in order to get away with being a dick. Plausible deniability is the male operating system. Act like a pig but reframe it when confronted.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 12:08 PM
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This is why it’s important to talk to every kid about a social sphere. Every kid needs friends and hobbies outside the home because there will come a point where they desire a romantic or sexual relationship and they will flounder. And the advice online is dismal. “Pretend to be someone you are not. Anything is better than your pathetic personality” Team sports, a part time job the second it’s available, any hobby which encourages socializing is vital. Get the kids out of the house.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 12:05 PM
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According to the manosphere, yes. They prefer “agreeableness” to independence and gnash teeth over women who don’t need them.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 04:02 AM
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And yet a favorite red pill complaint is that women have technicolor hair, short hair, weird makeup, too much makeup, tattoos, fake eyelashes, fake hair, facial piercings, inconvenient manicures, and too many muscles. And some, I hear, are overweight and that gives men a sad limp one. Turns out, there are billions of women who don’t mimic youth and fertility with cosmetics, whose bodies, skin and hair aren’t aesthetically pleasing to opinionated men and all of those women don’t give a flying fuc…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 03:58 AM
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I taught ballet in school and still take classes each winter because I like to maintain strength and flexibility and I enjoy the company of others in my classes. The fact that some men find a ballerina’s figure and grace is insignificant. The fact that my partner enjoys it is a nice bonus, but I’d do it with or without his presence in my life. Men play sports for the fun and camaraderie; it’s a hobby like any other. Men who play sports can be very attractive because of their confidence and physi…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 03:51 AM
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Your attention is insignificant to women who aren’t attracted. You matter very much as a person to those in your sphere and a tremendous amount to a woman who is also attracted to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 03:34 AM
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You mean what you and others in the manosphere are feeling the next gen. Teaching them that they are worthless unless they get female validation.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 03:31 AM
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A bunch of men might contain only one man a woman actually feels attracted to, but most bunches of men are compromised of insignificant men.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 03:30 AM
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Weird how he keeps making the same post, abandoning the thread then deleting it. Concerning.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 03:11 AM
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If men don’t pine away and ache for the wives or their friends and their sisters in law or their married coworkers, they can control their feelings.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 03:09 AM
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Men aren’t defined by how attractive they are to women. This is such a corrosive idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 03:03 AM
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Illogical, dick-driven, quick to anger, highly volatile? Fuck that. Sounds like chaos.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 02:54 AM
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Sex is awesome. Attention from men women aren’t attracted to is insignificant.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 02:48 AM
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After assuming incorrectly numerous times that women want men’s indiscriminate attention, men should realize that women don’t wander the earth in search of male validation. How many rejections does it take before men understand that women aren’t looking pretty for men’s benefit?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 02:44 AM
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As I said in the original comment. Look up. Most women have a specific man and don’t need for him to notice them. And they still enjoy fashion, hair and makeup.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 02:22 AM
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/thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 02:09 AM
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Most men are merely guilty of mistakenly thinking that they are the type of man that she finds attractive. No, most men suffer the male gaze and truly believe that women live for their comments and perusal, and many persist even after countless rejections. Maybe men can explain why they don’t learn from rejection.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 02:05 AM
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yourself. You say that women care about the opinion of the attractive men who they want to fuck, but the attractive men Did I?? Or did I say “man”? I wear a little makeup and a sundress when I’m on a date. That doesn’t mean I give a flying fuck what the valet or busboy thinks.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 01:54 AM
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I wear men’s clothing when I run errands and most days at work, too. It doesn’t work like we thought it would. Men seem to think that we have potential, like those “ugly” girls on television who scrub up to supermodel standards after a B-side makeover montage. “You’d be so pretty in a dress”
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 01:42 AM
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I wanted to die of embarrassment and second hand shame for the sad old men, but no, I did not die. But that isn’t the point. The point is to explain why women are so squicked out by leering old men desperate for female validation.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 01:28 AM
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Go look at r/makeupaddiction where users put on makeup and often never leave home. It’s a hobby, like any other fashion. Not as lame as painting Warhammer figurines or whatever, but it’s play. And if you don’t believe me, feel free to creep on the attractive women there and see how fast you get banned.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 01:26 AM
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Because every woman has had to endure a gross older man leering or attempting to flirt while she was at work or at a social venue. Most women over the age of 25 have been experiencing unwanted attention from old men since they were 12 or so. Brings back bad memories and gross feelings.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 01:12 AM
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The prevalence of unsolicited dick pics, catcalls, and fake friendships leads me to believe that men vastly overestimate the importance of their opinions to women. “But women wear makeup to get men’s attention!!” Nope. “But women wear attractive clothing so that men will catcall!” Nah. “But women live for compliments and love catcalling; it makes their day!!” Dear god, no “But women work out so they look good for men!!” Physical and mental health “But women work for play money, to buy makeup n’s…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 01:08 AM
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The only men who matter is the man a beautiful woman wants to fuck. The other men’s opinions are so unimportant and irrelevant they may as well be neutered.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 12:56 AM
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That’s because when you use free social media, you’re the product. The permissions you give to social media apps allows the app to mine your internet history, track you across apps, mine your friends’ histories, too. The app is showing you content based on your demographic and your internet history. Go to your 60 year old grandmother’s house and set up her account on one of her devices. She’ll get recipes, not naked women.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/22 10:46 PM
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You have to be very very very young to look at 15/16 year olds and think they look and behave like anything other than children. That depends on the teenagers and their upbringing. If a kid can be trusted to share the road with other drivers and help run a business while keeping up good grades and extracurricular activities, that kid can be trusted with dating trusted peers. Teenagers have always dated and had sex or darn near and most have productive lives. I’d rather see teens experience datin…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/22 10:01 PM
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I read the whole thing, but half your first line was sufficient. If your response to your friend hurting because of you He isn’t hurting because of her. He’s mad because he didn’t get why he wanted when he fuckzoned or relationshipzoned her. She isn’t remotely responsible for his one-sided feelings.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/22 04:51 PM
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The sex recession isn’t limited to teenagers, I just pulled those stats for an example of how behavior is changing. People should probably be waiting until they are adults for this Except they never have. The results of refusing to date, drive, or work before age 20 means that fully mature adults are bumbling through a social life and increasingly frustrated about their inability to relate to the opposite sex. In my crowd in high school, all were honor roll kids and athletes with jobs and a driv…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/22 04:48 PM
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with, you were just trying to enjoy a one sided relationship in your favor. Friendships are not one-sided, they are mutually beneficial. like "She's free to leave" or "He isn't responsible for her feelings" Don’t care. If he feels that storming off because he didn’t get what he wanted from her is the appropriate response to unrequited romantic or sexual feelings, he can just sit home alone without a friend.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/22 04:14 PM
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The Golden Age Fallacy is alternative porn for right wing men.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/22 02:26 PM
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Awhile back there was a post similar to this in which a poster claimed his "friend" had been seeing a woman for six months with no sexual contact, but that user was most likely talking about himself. It was a wild ride, I wonder if anyone can find it. (It was OP; who has posted and deleted this same scenario several times and always abandons the thread)
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/22 02:07 PM
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And yet red pill terms like simp are now mainstream and red pill concepts are becoming more and more common to find everywhere. No they aren't. Slang use of the term "simper" has been used for more than a hundred years and became popular from Blaxplotation films. Simp has been featured in rap songs for 30 years. Too Short's Pimpology: "But on the other hand, if you can't pimp And the hos keep treating you like a simp, I don't know what to say about you boys But simper goes back much further. Hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/22 01:53 PM
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They don't drive, they don't go out to hang out together where making out and sex might happen. I once mentioned that I didn't have any friends in high school were weren't having sex and the backlash was wild. (I was in high school in 2008) I also didn't have any friends who didn't get jobs at 16, and the backlash was wild. I was informed that no one under the age of 19 works and most people don't work until they graduate college. Fully half of my friends came from my job and went to a number of…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/22 01:33 PM
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Wishful thinking. The Red Pill lampooned in media and depicted as the lair of potential mass shooters by the Secret Service. Nothing ever remains fringe. Yeah? How's Scientology working out for ya?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/22 01:25 PM
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Ha ha ha Fortunately radicalized cults will remain fringe. You may be too close to it to see the big picture, but the red pill is unknown outside the gaming community.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/22 01:04 PM
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The problem is that young people aren't having enough sex and the desire to get together has been replaced by online activities including porn. In 1995, 50% of teens age 15-19 were having sex. In 2009, 30% were having sex. In 2018, 10% were having sex. (From the National Survey of Health and Behavior) Survey trends reflect a current "sex recession" with fewer people having sex and fewer people seeking sex or relationships. (Search engine: sex recession for info; there are multiple surveys for si…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/22 01:02 PM
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Dude congress passed laws against revenge porn and stealthing because men have been ruining women’s lives for decades. Also, way to go men; women used to have fun sending flirty nudes. Fucked that up, didn’t ya?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/22 07:24 AM
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Hit 2X and search for “not a real man” and enjoy the swift and harsh corrections by women. No true Scotsman fallacy doesn’t fly with women. All men are men; from great to pathetic.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/22 07:20 AM
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They can buy that with the money they earned at their job; both the rechargeable kind and those with batteries.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/22 07:16 AM
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Some women want some men.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/22 07:15 AM
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They do. A good woman is beautiful, fit, and retains her virginity until she is selected as a bangmaid by a short, nerdy gamer with no friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/22 07:14 AM
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Men stomp into 2X hourly to claim that any man a woman complains about is not a real man, and women dog pile him to correct that notion. They are definitely men. No question.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/22 07:11 AM
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If media is to blame for men’s ineptitude with women, then media, including video games, is responsible for mass shootings. Perhaps “society” should acknowledge boys’ tendencies towards fantasy and restrict their access to media. Is that what you want? Because you can’t claim boys are especially susceptible to fantastic beliefs without serious repercussions, including restrictions on the media they consume.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/22 07:05 AM
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I’m nearly sure of it, couldn’t have been deeper in the Bible Belt for those two years. Most were southern Baptist, white, conservative. Peculiar that you remember that. Did I train you?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/22 03:44 AM
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Drinking?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/22 03:25 AM
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people like me who are born from different race parents
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/22 03:20 AM
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I can’t understand anything in your post.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/22 03:19 AM
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My focus is on heterosexual relationships with a masculine father, feminine mother raising their own biological boys and girls. Which form the majority in the west even today. Sounds about white. And conservative. However, according to census records: “17.8 percent of the United States' 130 million households featured married parents with children under the age of 18”
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/22 03:18 AM
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Hmm, wouldn’t have thought you’d have a more egalitarian perspective on parenting.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/22 03:08 AM
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There are a lot of men here who admit to being raised by single mothers. Some are doing well; some are struggling. Some are socially astute; some are jerks. But each and every goddamn one of them is a real man and anyone who implies otherwise is a prick.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/22 03:07 AM
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What about gay or trans kids? Who is the appropriate parent/mentor for those kids? Should gay or trans kids be removed from straight parents and placed in the care of same sex parents of similar orientation?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/22 03:05 AM
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Can they learn it from gay men? Celibate men? Handicapped men? Nerdy men? Asexual men?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/22 03:03 AM
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I actually blame men for being bad fathers. To top it off, men are not altruistic by nature or communitarian. It has to be equal exchange of value when dealing with man to man. Definitely shouldn’t be seeking advice from men, then. Maybe that’s why so much of their advice is fucky; they want enough men to fail that the leftover women gravitate towards the “gurus” instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/22 02:59 AM
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Mixed kids are just fucked, I guess, as are kids who don’t have a “gay” sticker on their foot when born to straight parents.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/22 02:58 AM
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So white parents shouldn’t adopt black kids, black kids shouldn’t adopt Hispanic. Who is allowed to adopt biracial kids? Gay women shouldn’t adopt straight boys, straight parents should hand over their gay boys and girls to corresponding couples the minute the orientation is obvious…thousands of kids will sit in group homes until the matching family is found. Gotta be honest, your idea of correct parenting is a dystopian nightmare.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/22 02:50 AM
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How do you reconcile that with “ You can learn to be an adult from a women, but you will not learn how to be a man.”
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/22 02:40 AM
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I dunno. 500,000 people sign up to pay Only Fans creators daily when there is a limitless supply of free porn. 6 million gullible individuals pay to join pyramid schemes. Each time these “lifestyle gurus” are exposed for hiring actors and actresses men should recognize the grift, but they continue giving their money. It’s a mystery to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/22 02:39 AM
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Oh. Should fathers be seeking custody, then? By your measure, wouldn’t the girl/s be better off in the custody of any female figure?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/22 02:35 AM
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How do you feel about MLMs? Young Living, Optavia, World Global… these companies supposedly offer lifestyle advice. Good or bad idea?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/22 02:34 AM
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Can single fathers successfully raise daughters?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/22 02:30 AM
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Do you believe single fathers should have sole custody of their daughters if a parent is unable to teach a child how to be the opposite sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/22 02:29 AM
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No one, but it’s the equivalent to MLMs pitching oils or diet aids. It’s snake oil and vulnerable people snap it right up.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/22 02:26 AM
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How often are any of you coming in contact with attractive, promiscuous women? Maybe it’s time to change your activities or friend group.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/22 01:33 AM
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Interesting. Who, exactly, does have your approval? Lives to your exact expectations?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/22 12:17 AM
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Somewhere along the line they developed a very malformed view of physical intimacy disconnected from emotional intimacy Translation: when women behave like men, it’s gross. Ergo, men are gross? I don’t understand your assessment here.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/22 10:53 PM
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•Abledlove • Glimmer •Disability Matching •Prescription4Love •Dating4Disabled •S’More •Ellie •Dating Handicapped •Whispers4U
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/22 10:40 PM
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Men absolutely cannot handle the idea that women require mutual physical attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/22 08:18 PM
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Those women aren’t complaining because women who enjoy casual sex with Chad aren’t interested in dating conservative Kevin; they do t even run in the same circles. Slut shame all you like; sluts aren’t going to date certain men either way.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/22 08:09 PM
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She isn’t responsible for his feelings. Period. He is free to leave or control himself in exactly the same way he controls himself around his friends’ wives.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/22 07:39 PM
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And she gets to lie still, grossed out and unsatisfied while a man uses her body.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/22 04:56 PM
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Then all men should be Chad.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/22 04:42 PM
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If women stopped feeding this behavior and maybe lowered their standards for physical attractiveness just a hair, they’d find tons of options for a relationship. Women like sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/22 04:40 PM
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If one woman has found a method of separating opportunistic men from true platonic friends, how can anyone blame her? Men call such manipulations “strategy”. You know, 2,000 years of being held responsible for the moral higher ground is wearing on women.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/22 03:52 PM
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I wouldn’t do it. But I see no moral difference between what she is doing and what an orbiter is doing.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/22 03:29 PM
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What happened to the red pill mantra: don’t believe what women say; believe what they do? Another chapter in the ever shifting red pill narrative. The only consistency is that men invariably blame women for men’s behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/22 03:28 PM
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Doesn’t matter if those feelings aren’t reciprocated.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/22 03:28 PM
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Take a look at social media, and the women who dress for attention from random men. Those aren’t men. Those are likes. Onlyfans models who live off mens money, yet the models loathe theae men. Money pays bills. See, how easy it is for you to condemn a man for doing this; yet, when a man strings a woman along for sex and nothing in return, you'll blame the man, calling him a manipulator, scum, etc. No I don’t. People like sex; if a woman didn’t want to have sex, she wouldn’t. So only men are reap…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/22 03:22 PM
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Attention from men a woman doesn’t find attractive is worthless. free food, and free money from men Friends occasionally help one another out, but any man who does this repeatedly while getting nothing in return is a moron. And still entirely responsible for his own actions and feelings.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/22 02:11 PM
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Men can’t handle the idea that women can lose attraction to a long term partner so they made up a scenario in which she was never attracted. Visit dead bedrooms, you’ll find that losing attraction is common, and men and women report the sex was great in the beginning but faded because reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/22 01:58 PM
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Dude, no. If she isn’t physically attracted, there will never be a relationship or sex. Men suffer from wishful thinking.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/22 12:58 PM
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This is funny. He is usually giving clear signs. I am not kidding. They may be expensive gifts for birthdays or suggestions and invitations to her(and only her) to a night out. (Bolding mine) Women are supposed to be more perceptive to those cues but I believe that many of them are unwilling to be once the party of the direct communication to act and clear the situation out. Man uses “signs” then gets pissy because women don’t use “direct communication”
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/22 12:55 PM
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Men who aren’t a appealing to a woman are not “options”. They are friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/22 12:53 PM
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Men are responsible for their own feelings, and that includes fantasies and wishful thinking.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/22 12:52 PM
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Guys need to have enough emotional intelligence Encourages men to develop emotional intelligence, then encourages men to use women as props rather than genuine friends. FFS And having female friends that likes you helps. She can set you up with friends and having attractive female friends is a green flag. Why the attractive female friends? That signals that you’re not a creeper. If I saw a guy being vouched by attractive girls that would be a plus. He shows he isn’t weird a creepy to them
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/22 12:49 PM
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Men will have to stop claiming they lack self control, stop claiming that women cause their bad behavior because of their clothing or the shape of their bodies, and men will have to stop claiming that their female friends harmed them in some way by failing to fuck them. Men will have to take responsibility for their behavior and their feelings if they want to be be trusted.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/22 12:47 PM
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“Society” isn’t responsible for men’s one-sided crushes. A social sphere and friends are vital to a healthy life and activities with friends can lead to meeting romantic partners. Friends do occasionally date and fall in love, and fuck buddies are a thing. But absolutely no one is responsible for a man’s feelings other than the man himself. Really sick of the friendzone shit. Men will do anything to displace responsibility for their behavior and actions.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/22 12:41 PM
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You mean the decision to have friends, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/22 12:39 PM
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OMG I’m dying. This is perfect.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/22 03:09 AM
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Why should women care? Men here constantly admit they are indiscriminate and will fuck any woman. There is nothing flattering about a friend’s interest; he’s one of dozens of men who would happily fuck her. Nothing special about any one of them unless it is the man she wants to fuck. This is a self-created him problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/22 03:08 AM
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I know. But I hope you understand I don’t actually feel this way; I was responding in kind to the shitty post which belittled “western women” for their complaints and fears. In many ways, men and women can be at odds due to conflicting agendas, but no one should suffer alone, nor should they disappear into the radicalized basement or the internet.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/22 02:26 AM
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I dunno, ask the men in this thread who say the west is the easiest place in the world and that social problems are minor complaints. Apparently it’s not a problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/22 02:17 AM
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Tough shit. They have no problem behaving correctly when the woman is married or engaged to one of their friends. Those men should apply the same self control and back the fuck for when their romantic or sexual interest isn’t reciprocated. They are entirely responsible for their own feelings.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/22 01:38 AM
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This would explain why women don’t see how their male friends may just be orbiting to get sex from them at opportune times, a Women know, they just expect an adult to recognize that his interest isn’t reciprocated. The same men have zero trouble controlling their behavior and their feelings when the woman they feel physically attracted to is married to their friend. Also explains why some women feel insulted when it’s said that they put a guy in the friend zone…they just tend to downplay a guy’s…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/22 01:36 AM
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Probably not the women he knows. Most, if not all of these men, come from an insular, conservative background. They get their sex education from other disenfranchised men on social media well into adulthood.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/22 01:33 AM
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I think a lot of men today are lost and without a purpose. First world problem if I ever heard one. But i think the point is that the "patriarchy" in America/the west is the most progressive place on the planet for women. He says, with zero trace of irony as women lose rights to their own bodies and parents bury the children of yet another mass shooter seeking vengeance for his “lack of purpose”
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/22 01:29 AM
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Yet somehow men wind up behind the business end of a gun far more often.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/22 01:24 AM
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different, normal social interaction and sex are human needs. Both are entirely obtainable in the west, in almost any configuration of genders without fear of legal repercussions.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/22 01:23 AM
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Women in America just love to complain. There is a never ending supply of disenfranchised men who alternate between screeching and crying about having no luck with women. They are killing themselves and committing mass shootings because they can’t get their dicks wet. Women are just trying to stay alive.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/22 08:45 PM
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Oh. Then by that measure, men in the US aren’t suffering. Not when they whine about being ignored, certainly not when they whine about being sexless, kissless virgins. They have roofs over their heads, any number of jobs in menial labor or the service industry. Unrestricted internet and access to porn. Never been a better time to be a man in the west.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/22 08:34 PM
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I’m claiming that you don’t realize that was a troll, most likely a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/22 07:45 PM
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Alas that’ll never happen because of human biology but such is the life of a man. Happens all the time, if you’re the kind of man who is fun to be around. Relaxed and at ease in his own skin, with reasonable or better yet no expectations beyond have a good time.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/22 06:09 PM
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I mean… it’s unsurprising that the men who apply rigid, black and white thinking can’t recognize satire. They take everything literally.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/22 06:05 PM
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Same household. Authoritarian parents have a vested interest in maintaining the status quo. "Just wait until your father gets home" is a more effective strategy than weakly spanking or taking away a privilege. Authoritarian mothers rely on the intimidating father role to run the household. And neither can handle a sex talk, nor do they want it taught in schools. Abstinence and fear is just lazy parenting disguised as morality.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/22 02:27 PM
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The red pill is a cult.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/22 01:43 PM
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Is entirely possible that red pill men believe it’s a legit sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/22 01:41 PM
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individualism: a social theory favoring freedom of action for individuals over collective or state control. Red Pill is a high-control group; a cult. Individualism; any deviation from the boilerplate rhetoric, is attacked and ridiculed.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/22 01:17 PM
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Like I said I don’t have a problem with this as long as the female reciprocates with the female equivalent. What is the female equivalent? The big problem with the curfew was that it was even discussed in the first place suggesting at least some tolerance to the idea until the public uproar. You're too close to it. The rest of the world recognized a ham-fisted attempt at saving face. What the RedPill men are most annoyed about imo, baring in mind I’m not exactly active in these communities, is t…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/22 01:11 PM
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Yeah, you're right. Plenty here old enough to remember John Hughes films, too.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/22 01:07 PM
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•Charismatic leader/s with narcissistic tendencies (in this case, red-faced men who screech on social media) •Group uses in-words and jargon • Group leaders will encourage you to check things out but they will steer you only in the direction of ‘approved’ sources, which defend the doctrine of the group. • The group and its leaders oppose or deny mainstream research findings and what is accepted and taught at leading universities and research institutes. • The group uses thought-reform methods of…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/22 01:06 PM
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And Disney have been changing how their romances form in the last decade anyway so Excellent point. What will RP do once they can no longer blame Hollywood for misguided ideas about how to pursue women?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/22 01:01 PM
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Red pill men tend to frame successful men as rivals. They villianize men who are popular with women; they even created an archetype for their antihero: Chad. Chad is the antagonist to the Nice Guy. There is no middle ground in the red pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/22 12:56 PM
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My words are "literally" right there. It isn't my fault you enjoy twisting them into absolutes to support your bias.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/22 12:47 PM
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Visit the "nice guys" subreddit where you can see messages and texts from "nice guys" who pretended to be friends while bearing the expectation that their female friend would eventually have sex with them or date them. Any man who uses the term "friendzone" is one of these. It's a tell.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/22 12:46 PM
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If you disagree, then don't do it. You and women will be better off if you avoid them. I've helped my male friends move. I've taught them all how to do several outdoor sports and I loan kayaks, tents and other camping equipment, and my truck and trailer to haul them. In exchange they help us build a deck in a couple hours or clear a trail. My partner's best female friend is a baker and we help her move and she supplies goodies for our cookouts and pet sits when we go out of town. If you don't ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/22 12:44 PM
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You’re trying to make out I’m a conservative when I grew up in an extremely labour pit village in the north east of England. I'm not speaking of political affiliation; I'm referring to authoritarian parents who aren't comfortable giving the sex talk. If you’re telling me most women don’t expect some form of chivalry within a relationship Do you mean manners? Everyone expects manners. The real problem comes when men are bashed in the media, an example being the fact that a curfew for men to preve…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/22 12:41 PM
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Whole thing began with men that made mistakes sharing notes and finding points that were a bit too similar. Disenfranchised, conservative men share similar experiences. That doesn't mean their observations are astute; it means they are subjective.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/22 12:34 PM
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I corrected my typo. I meant to write "chemistry and mutual physical attraction is imperative. No matter how nice a man is, if there is no chemistry or mutual physical attraction, he isn't a good match.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/22 12:28 PM
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Aka good guys are actually evil, Some are. therefore it isn’t women’s fault when they pick abusive men Sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't. But abusive men are rare outside of substance abuse and mental health issues. The idea that abusive men are the sole alternative to "nice guys" needs to die. The vast majority of people are in the middle. Women married an abusive man? His fault for not changing into the man she is entitled too. So it is his and only his fault. Have you seen r/deadbedrooms, r…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/22 12:26 PM
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the idea that men must be gentlemen This is the conservative sex talk. It means "don't get girls pregnant". It's not a guide to interacting with women, it's a low quality, useless birds n bees talk by people who don't want to talk about it. &nbsp women are supported for breaking their traditional gender roles. Yeah, this is how I know that many men here have been raised in conservative religious environments. They aren't rebelling against women; they know and interact with very few women. Y'all …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/22 12:22 PM
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But that's usually not just the extent parents go to teach their sons about dating. They usually tell you to cherish women, treat them extremely kindly, and to basically to do very unselfish things with them that could potentially hurt them. You mean the conservative parent "sex talk". RP men aren't rebelling against "blue pill platitudes", they are rebelling against the useless sex talk given by conservative parents. All that means is "sex is bad; don't get her pregnant". That isn't "dating adv…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/22 12:20 PM
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Women provide emotional support and physical, financial resources for men. It’s a friendship just like any other, mutually beneficial for both parties. Unless that man is a lying sack of shit and he only does favors because he’s hoping to turn the friendship into something more.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/22 11:59 AM
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Eww, no. They are friends, same as women. If those men feel sexual attraction it’s a them problem and they need to keep it to themselves and aim it in an appropriate direction if they want to remain friends. Orbiters are a pain in the ass, always wanting, always attempting to manipulate because they can’t get what they want directly. No one wants a friend like that. Men who put women in the fuckzone or relationship zone are useless as friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/22 11:57 AM
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They are usually taught by their parents or by most of the media that this is the way society work How is “don’t be a dick” bad advice? Think of the men in your past who you hated. What did they have in common? What behaviors made you dislike or avoid them?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/22 11:53 AM
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“Nice guys” are rarely nice. Most are embittered, manipulative and shady shitheads who do favors for women in hopes of getting sex. Women aren’t marrying them because chemistry and mutual physical attraction is imperative.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/22 11:51 AM
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like: - socialize (as if guys don’t already) No they don’t. Most men here claim they have few friends and don’t need any. And all claim they have zero desire to have female friends. When they do go out, they go out alone, like awkward, low key serial killers. be yourself …as opposed to faking a persona which comes off awkward and tense. “Be yourself” means don’t try on an ill-fitting, phony persona because few people are good enough actors to pull this off. Someone pretending to fit in reads as …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/22 11:48 AM
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Why would anyone rely on a rigid dogma instead of making their own decisions on a case by case basis? RP men sound like cult members; like hateful Jehovah’s Witnesses. Blinding reciting platitudes and fearful of challenging tenets.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/22 11:41 AM
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The people in this thread claiming that PIV isn’t pleasurable for women have no idea how big the clitoris actually is. It is not that tiny button above the entrance to the vagina. It is a comparatively enormous gland which wraps around the vaginal canal. Google images “model of clitoris” The shape of the organ does not guarantee any particular type of orgasm because all women are different, but the elderly claim that “the vaginal canal has no nerves” is incorrect. If it were true, women wouldn’t…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/22 11:36 AM
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“Evolved” then uses TikTok as a source.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/22 03:30 AM
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Could be one or the other, but why not both? Let me ask you, do you prefer attention from attractive women or ugly women? Which is your favorite? What if you are in a hurry, or super busy at work? Got a favorite then?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/22 03:02 AM
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Like loud, flashy birds
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/22 02:50 AM
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When did you change the subject from leering at women you feel are inappropriately dressed to merely saying hello?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/22 02:50 AM
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Oh, Eww.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/22 01:46 AM
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Women’s definition of “leering” and “bothering” depends entirely on how attractive they see the man. No, the definition of leering and bothering is frequently attributed to ugly men because those men often feel angry and disenfranchised and they act out in socially unacceptable ways. Men who do well with women don’t behave as if a clothed woman is nude in the coffee shop, possibly because they’ve actually seen a woman before. Finally your passive aggressive “they jerked off to naked women” shows…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/22 01:45 AM
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Flirting isn’t chasing, conversation to determine if there is mutual interest isn’t persuasion. Maybe there is a language barrier.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/22 01:33 AM
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Men don’t need to “make women feel sexy”. Women possess their own sexual identity independent of men. Are you aware of how many women masturbate, own toys, watch porn, and pursue men and casual sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/22 01:32 AM
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Masculine interest is chasing women and trying to win them over? In what culture? In my culture flirting and a genuine interest in a person is sufficient. No chasing or persuading required.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/22 01:30 AM
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A cult.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/22 01:25 AM
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The red pill is a massive game of cross-cultural telephone. In a windstorm.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/22 01:24 AM
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and become hot for men that are chasing them and trying to win them over Simps? I thought women despised simps
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/22 01:23 AM
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“just be yourself” Means “as opposed to some weirdo pretending to try on an ill-fitting persona because that’s obvious and awkward “there’s someone out there for anyone” Ideally, but there is no platitude which promises the president of the Chess Club sex with the head cheerleader. This is the kindest way of saying “box your weight”.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/22 01:22 AM
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Both red and black recognize the true nature of women and that looks matter a lot. Red pill believes… game can overcome looks. Chasing your own tails here.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/22 01:19 AM
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Most people I see here aren’t referring to studies at all, but rather surveys from conservative think tanks hired by political parties to influence the base. The Family Research Council and Southern Poverty Law Center are often quoted here as “science”.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/22 12:57 AM
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Like you couldn't just go outside and see that the overwhelming majority of couples have the man being taller? Men in general are taller, lab partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/22 12:49 AM
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They have to perceive you as high value or as someone who wouldn’t normally waste time on her. They have to feel like you are a prize of some kind. This isn’t remotely what physical attraction or chemistry means. A far more attractive man would be a risk; he might just use her or demand oral and leave without making any attempt at a mutually satisfying encounter.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/22 12:41 AM
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Bro are you serious, that's literally how 99% of relationships form Not if it isn’t reciprocated, Bro. He can put her in the relationshipzone, the romancezone, or the fuckzone and just be sad, but she didn’t put him anywhere or do anything but offer friendship. If you attempt to change the terms of a relationship, take responsibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 10:53 PM
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and then later on usually the guy will develop feelings for the girl. And that’s entirely his problem and his fault. No one put him in the friendzone. They were friends until he attempted to change the terms. Take full responsibility and drop the passive voice. She did nothing whatsoever to him. He put her in the fuckzone or the relationshipzone. Own that shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 10:42 PM
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Thanks for sharing your wank material. Wonder what would happen if I went to work / ran errands like that. People would assume your bike is parked outside or you just competed in a scramble or race, because that’s a race uniform. You see, athletes who move with haste wear form fitting clothing in bright colors so that cars and pedestrians see them and stay out of the way. It’s always weird explaining an active lifestyle to sedentary people. Women have made it crystal clear that being creepy / ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 10:32 PM
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I’m going to go back to your comment so you can understand. There is no friendzone. Women have male friends. It isn’t her fault they put her in the fuckzone. They need to grow up and recognize the value of a platonic friendship and aim their romantic and sexual interest elsewhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 10:25 PM
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If you devolve into the assumption that the only men disagreeing with you are betas or puke inducing then.. I didn’t think I would need to explain a wisecrack after ridiculing evolutionary psychology, but here we are. Men who believe in that crap refer to one another as alphas and betas, a concept which was proven to be an erroneous conclusion about wolves decades ago and sure as fuck doesn’t apply to civilized human beings with higher learning functions
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 09:57 PM
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On what planet are you on the guys are just waltzing around in biker shorts at a bar, grocery store, Starbucks or at work. In every town with a population of health concious, active people. Where the fuck do you live? Do people actually go home and change before dressing formally for the grocery store after the gym, a ride, a walk, and a hike? And just lmao about your “well mannered” men. By that you mean simps who act like eunuchs with no sexuality who secretly go home and beat off to that girl…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 09:51 PM
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They want sexual and romantic attention, not help and support.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 09:49 PM
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Which men are you talking about? Friends. (you know, the friends who are only hanging around because they fuckzoned her and are hoping for a chance)
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 09:48 PM
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Yes. And?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 08:57 PM
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I elaborated in another post with enough accuracy that a chimp with a toolbox could recreate a man based on my description alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 08:56 PM
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I am not remotely attracted to loners who creep on me in non social venues or the gross clients who do this shit at my job.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 08:55 PM
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The average man, no, most men are perfectly capable of talking to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 08:40 PM
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Are there 30 women’s subs begging for advice about how to get a man’s attention? How to meet men?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 08:35 PM
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Opinion discarded. Does this… does this mean you aren’t trying to get a woman’s attention, u/Snoo-92685? You've met less than 1% of men. You're not even a man. Opinion discarded. So you wrote a whole post instead of you know… just quietly ignoring me? Sounds about right.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 07:51 PM
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The men who seek “help” from the manosphere already hate women and are already susceptible to cult programming because they feel disaffected, disenfranchised. Finding a community of equally hateful people just encourages them to drink from a poisoned well.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 07:46 PM
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Then again, I'm not into this PUA/Neo Masculinity frame bullshit. Riiight
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 07:34 PM
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It’s universal. Every woman who ever eats lunch with her friends knows what’s about to happen as soon as we hear a loud “YAWWWWN” and hear a chair get scraped loudly across a floor. He’s coming towards a table with women, we just don’t know which one until the tall, dark shadow looms across our table and murders our conversation. Every woman knows the sound of jingling keys. Knows what’s up when a story suddenly gets louder and the voice deeper. The prolonged, deep laugh. When that guy over ther…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 07:34 PM
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Not in my experience. In my experience men vastly overestimate their importance and think nothing of hanging around women’s workplaces, interrupting them anywhere and everywhere, and expecting an audience whenever they speak.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 07:26 PM
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How often do women complain about abuse? I rarely see it, but few people in my sphere are criminals or substance abusers.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 07:24 PM
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No, most women have friends. Some of those friends are shitty men who put women in the fuck zone. Most women expect those men to realize the interest isn’t mutual.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 07:14 PM
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Nope, it’s just Him, the Red Pill Man, getting shit-tested in every corner of his realm. Got to maintain frame, get bitches and money
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 06:56 PM
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“Niche” activities. Everyone around me exercises. Cyclists are everywhere in every moderately sized city. People who live in resort towns or near parks and other recreation dress in exercise gear year round. It’s always so obvious when men don’t go outside. Your post is the equivalent to the man on the beach wearing jeans; just completely out of synch with his environment. Your inability to understand much less empathize with men who experience sexual attraction and drive far far different from …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 06:51 PM
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Rich, coming from men who use evolutionary psychology or lower animal behavior to attempt to understand women. Such beta behavior puke
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 06:50 PM
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Men always assume that the casual complaints women share with their platonic friends have a deeper meaning. “Chad didn’t call me all weekend” is described by the man she didn’t choose as “abuse”. Because the friends she considers platonic are actually pining away, seething that she didn’t pick the Nice Guy, pretending the guy she prefers is a rival.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 06:48 PM
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Ceaselessly. Stretching, groaning, rubbing the “sore arms from working out last night”, making up fake, stupid reasons to talk to women “Excuse me, do you have the time” “Excuse me, do you know where the nearest Starbucks is/bus schedule/mall” “Excuse me, my sister would love your item of clothing for her birthday” and every other phony question they can look up on their phone. Pretending to forget something so they can turn all the way around and try for a second approach. Telling women to smil…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 06:45 PM
1

Probably shouldn’t tailgate or block the passing lane.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 04:50 PM
8

The fact that you believe that people in cars are fucking with you in particular is wild. RP teaches pathological paranoia. Imagine walking into a doctor’s office and confessing that you believe the entire world is testing you.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 04:16 PM
-5

I’ve never been hurt by a man and I believe that most men are a pain in the ass. Men seem needy, dependent and helpless. Cannot exist for an hour without seeking attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 04:10 PM
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Men who are seen alone in public spaces with kids are called heroes. Women seen with kids in public are called Mom. Boyfriends and husbands who stop when a partner doesn’t want to have sex are heroes. Boyfriends and husbands who buy a box of tampons make the front page of Reddit. Boyfriends and husbands who clean up after themselves are sooo much better than the last slob that women brag about a man who washes his own shit-stained underwear.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 04:08 PM
5

If women aren’t interested in him, what do you believe women are supposed to do?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 04:04 PM
-9

Yes, yes, we know. Women aren’t allowed to have physical preferences. Only men are permitted that privilege. Women must settle for bridge trolls.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 04:03 PM
7

Yet all I see are hoards of men falling flat on their face to get the attention of even the most average girls, many of these guys are good looking, successful, personable from good backgrounds. Then you date them. If women thought these hypothetical men were appealing mates, women would date them. Men do not get to decide what women should find attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 04:02 PM
1

Not a goddamn thing stopping awkward men from moving to countries where women are covered from head to toe by threat of death. Join the Amish. A Pentecostal or Apostolic church. It’s obvious that certain men should not share public spaces with women, since they refuse to control themselves. Red pill men reliably reinforce women’s mistrust and disinterest. If that’s the goal, good job. Very effective.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 03:12 PM
1

EP is to evolution as astrology is to astronomy.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 02:00 PM
0

Evolutionary psychology simply tries to connect existing known behavioral patterns with our evolution. No it doesn’t. EP attempts to conflate animal behavior with humans, which have lived in cooperative civilizations for 44,000 years. Utterly fails to consider the effects of religion, unique cultural mores of differing peoples, technology, and healthcare on human behavior. It’s pseudoscience.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 12:58 PM
3

That isn’t what men complain about. Men are angry because women don’t want them to behave like a disgusting ape. Men are primarily angry because the attractive women who wear revealing clothing don’t want most men’s attention. I’ll admit it. If I’m meeting a date and wearing a sundress or skirt, I want his attention, but not every ugly, crude, ill-mannered man on the sidewalk before I get inside the restaurant. Only ugly men are angry about this. Attractive men don’t make an ass of themselves le…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 12:35 PM
6

I run with the Hash House Harriers every couple weeks. Lots of men run in tights, and all cyclists have been wearing nut huggers my entire life and before. Some men at the gym wear tights, too. And there is no leering problem from women. Zero women following them around and making crude comments.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 12:33 PM
1

What an odd statement. Yes, both are “soft sciences” which should be taken as such. But evolutionary psychology has a serious problem with criticism from most of academia. Nearly every claim is debunked and quickly. Evolutionary psychology is sexism disguised a science. Like astrology, there is a market for gullible people who seek a reason they aren’t successful, and astrology and EP fans will believe anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 12:31 PM
2

The OP said it, I quoted and named him. Read it again.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 12:28 PM
4

Women don’t say that men who stare are rapists. But it’s unsettling for sure, especially when men turn cars around and roll slowly by for a second look, or leer over a woman trying to see farther down her shirt. Or turn all the way around to see her backside as she walks past. It’s incredibly crass, and it’s deliberate bullying. Nearly every man has nudes on his phone in every possible pose and action for free with a couple clicks. The only reason to make a woman feel uncomfortable is because me…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 12:27 PM
3

I consider a minority who can’t do a thing the majority can do to be maladaptive. Obviously men and women have conflicts, even in ideal relationships. But the minority of men who can’t figure out dating, friendship, sex, and romance with women have a case of sour grapes. Like the fox in Aesop’s Fables who jumped and jumped at a cluster of beautiful grapes. When he couldn’t manage to reach them, he walked away muttering “Those grapes are probably sour, anyway”.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 12:16 PM
9

Men have access to all the nude women they could ever desire on their phone. Performing every act in every level of depravity. Every fetish entertained and all for free. Much of it is neatly catalogued on Reddit. There is no excuse for men to behave as slobbering pigs in public.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 05:28 AM
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Because the average manosphere type isn't a blue collar red neck sort. I definitely wouldn’t assume they work with their hands, but lower level IT, call center work or delivery drivers for sure. Way too attached to right wing authoritarianism to have completed much college. I’m sure there are outliers, but most admit they have little to no contact with women at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 05:24 AM
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Why not have laws governing sexually provocative dressing in public, using makeup and other sexy enhancements in the workplace, using sexual provocation in advertising, etc? Burkas, hijab, niqaab, and other modest styles do not reduce crimes against women. Men must control themselves and adapt.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 05:19 AM
3

For starters, men screeching about women dressed in summer clothing. “Why did she get mad because I stared?? That’s what women want when the wear (tank tops/sundresses/bikinis/exercise gear in 95 degree weather)! Men tell women to cover up if they don’t want men to leer, catcall, and approach. Threaten to continue harassing and gawking.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 04:22 AM
1

Then why ain’t y’all drowning in redneck pussy?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 04:05 AM
1

Friends discuss relationships. I have no problem confessing my shortcomings when relating and empathizing with others, as they do me. A close friend who stays at my home often just bailed on his engagement because he can’t get over her ex who played in the NFL for a couple years. Insecurity eating him alive. Gave up a terrific person and a free home in a nice neighborhood, too. We all fuck up. If you want to get a dialogue started, it’s not that hard. Beats the hell out of another dozen impotent…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 04:03 AM
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If the majority of people are dating, having sex, or in relationships, the majority has no problem with women’s behavior. The question is why is the minority maladaptive? (My answer is cult programming)
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 03:54 AM
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I haven’t seen that sub, but if it’s full of evolutionary psychology, that isn’t real science; it’s biased speculation and conjecture that cannot be tested or peer reviewed. ETA: well of course it is. “Attraction: the idea that mate preferences in WEIRD societies are primarily guided by lookism, tribalism and, for heterosexual women, heightism.” Sigh. Fuck me this is stupid. No wonder men here refuse to accept mutual attraction, rapport, and chemistry.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 03:50 AM
5

Fox.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 03:42 AM
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Seduction is far worse fantasy, but only slightly less hate and pseudoscience.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 03:35 AM
4

and that is never the intention of anyone who brings a personal issue of any kind into public for discussion. I see people humble themselves daily in real life and online. Asking for people to admit flaws sounds like a good PPD topic.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 03:19 AM
2

“Those grapes are probably sour, anyway” RP Fox
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 03:09 AM
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Y’all still got LAN parties and Trump rallies if you need a sausage fix
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 03:06 AM
3

Cult leaders. Gross
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 03:04 AM
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He roasts himself. Nearly every man here who complains that women don’t empathize call women names and actively hate women. It isn’t in women’s interest to help such people.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 02:45 AM
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Don said I don’t, but it shuts your game down when a bitch sees you mackin on every other girl in the room, obviously. You want women’s sympathy? Or bitches’ sympathy?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 02:20 AM
3

Shit, I can barely stand 20 year old men now and I’m 30. No fucking way would I put up with that idiocy in my fifties. And I’m sure a 20 year old woman married to a graying, tired, balding, paunchy man will always remain faithful and never, ever cheat with an attractive young man who can keep up with her.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 02:16 AM
2

“For example, men who were 45 or older were 14 percent more likely to have a child born prematurely, and men 50 or older were 28 percent more likely to have a child that required admission to the neonatal intensive care unit.“ “Children born to men aged 35 to 60 are up to 24 percent more likely to have autism than children with fathers aged 31 to 34.” I don’t expect you to have a medical degree but surely you know how to Google Boston Children’s, Mayo, Duke, and the CDC. But it appears you rathe…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 02:08 AM
3

Only 19% of women ages 30-49 are single. 19%. 25% of those women are cohabiting. 6% are gay. 27% of men aged 30-49 are single. Under 30? It’s 51% No idea why you are so worried about women, you need to focus on helping your single brothers. They are probably desperate.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/22 11:39 PM
3

I work at a college. They call older men “creeps” and get them fired when they do inappropriate things at work. But here you are telling me that observable and objective facts aren't true. Porn is fiction and the ads you saw online are for arrangements. No healthy young women wants a shrinking, fat, balding old man with gray chest hair and a bottle of little blue pills.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/22 11:25 PM
1

Stick with your porn fantasies, Daddy.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/22 11:22 PM
0

Oh FFS. Men can’t get out of their own way. Friends are friends, don’t try to date your friends for Christ’s sake. A social sphere is where people meet at social events, host social events and introduce friends to friends. When men attend a social event with friends, social proof makes other women they might talk to more comfortable. “Oh, this isn’t some weird, desperate loner; he has friends and they are smiling and having fun.” As opposed to “Who the fuck is this loser?” Asking total strangers…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/22 11:03 PM
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Big scary fact, huh? Not really, when 25% of couples under 50 cohabit without marrying. When 6-7% of women identify as gay. When 15% of women are divorced. And when the median age for marriage now is 27. When 3 million men are unemployed. Women will be just fine; there is a never ending supply of freshly divorced men desperate for companionship. And if women can’t find one, there is a never ending supply of cats, too.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/22 10:46 PM
1

No idea, does it resemble TRP?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/22 10:21 PM
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If you are the best version of yourself, and the person you believe you should be, then someone else’s opinion on you should hold no value. If you offered someone 10 million dollars and they turned it down, what could you do but laugh and view it as a missed opportunity for them? You could behave as a reasonable person and accept the fact that not everyone is compatible and that not everyone is attracted. Please don’t confuse this with self delusion I’m not confusing it. It’s delusion.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/22 09:39 PM
2

Men don't lose anything by doing so. In fact they gain value. Women don't and that's a fact whether people want to admit it or not. You’re hilarious. Paunchy, balding, graying men with erectile dysfunction are not pulling hot, childfree women.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/22 09:35 PM
2

Women are attracted to older men. No they don’t. Older men have to pay women to hang out with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/22 09:25 PM
6

They are so desperate to belong they swallow the hateful rhetoric and jargon whole. Women spend their lives being cautious around men; they know better than to drink from a poisoned well.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/22 07:49 PM
2

Then why are women most likely to seek a divorce? Why do men, including middle aged men, make up the majority of dating apps?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/22 07:31 PM
2

If it’s real, let’s see the research and stats.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/22 07:30 PM
2

I’m aware it’s rising, but most people, men and women, don’t want to have kids in high school when they are 65. Most people will try to have children before age 35 or 40 unless they have the resources to ensure someone will be there to finish raising the kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/22 07:08 PM
1

Cite that.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/22 06:55 PM
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Probably, plenty of lonely divorced men that age around. will he stick around? Will she want him to, is the questions. Remember that complaint about women being the most likely to seek a divorce? That happens after the kids are self-sufficient and she’s sick of looking after the 40-55 year old kid in the house. This fantasy needs to die. All people age, and none become more attractive. The dating pool remains the same; people from one’s own socioeconomic group and approximately the same age.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/22 06:54 PM
5

An infinitesimally small number of women want to have a baby after 40, come on, man.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/22 06:46 PM
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Nearly any woman who wants a man can get one. If she wanted to, she would.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/22 06:44 PM
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They are only inviting their male friends that they like (unless it's a family thing) and they are going to invite as many women as they can. Most of the time they are just inviting any female acquaintances that they met at work or something. Men should do more of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/22 06:43 PM
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It’s an illogical, anti-science attempt to game women which attracts disenfranchised men, which make up the bulk of the chatter. And sadly, a handful of opportunists figured out how to game the gamers and make money on subscriptions and clicks. It’s a scam, like any other multi level marketing campaign or fringe religion. Definition of a cult (figure out which of these you are guilty of) • Group leaders will encourage you to check things out but they will steer you only in the direction of ‘appr…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/22 06:37 PM
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Yeah men keep doing that. Changing the terms of a platonic relationship isn’t wise, and pursuing someone who has shown zero romantic or sexual interest is pretty stupid and selfish. Friend groups aren’t the dating pool. But their friends and the activities you do together expose men to other people they might date.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/22 06:24 PM
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Is this true of gamers? Because all of my friend groups in every place I lived has been mixed. I’ve never been to a party or cookout that was all one gender in my life.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/22 06:22 PM
1

So those men might as well be women to you. Yep. People who aren’t attractive might be friends, but people who are disagreeable and unattractive are neuters. Their interest is utterly unimportant and irrelevant. They may as well be women, stirring precisely the same level of attraction. Previous posters gay analogy is spot on.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/22 06:18 PM
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Jehovah’s Witnesses and other cult members cling hard to the dogma which hooked them initially. “It’s the Truth, they say” as they march in lockstep, united in their programming and ritual quoting of scripture. Meanwhile reasonable, logical people nod and trade looks of pity.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/22 06:15 PM
-5

That's the reality of cold approaching when you don't have a friend group to date from. I think I see the problem…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/22 06:13 PM
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Women complain that there are no good men left in their 30s and then are informed of the loss of their SMV after 30. Yeah we’ve seen the sub and it’s a lonely male revenge fantasy. There are many more women that age who marry a second time, cohabit or date without marrying, or just divorce and focus on their family and career. The pool of single men remains the same, they just age, too.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/22 06:12 PM
4

If that were true there wouldn’t be such a unanimous hatred of the mythical Chad.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/22 06:06 PM
14

The fantasy that all women are dying to have children and can’t do so without help of a man is hilariously contradicted by the near constant RP complaints about single mothers. So which is it? Sex is super easy for women, right? And there are “too many single mothers”, right? So drop this farce and admit that when women want a baby, they can make a baby. There is zero timeline as women between the ages of 20 and 40 can have children unless there is a medical issue preventing that.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/22 06:05 PM
4

Straight projection. The men RP men envy are not misogynistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/22 05:49 PM
2

: dislike of, contempt for, or ingrained prejudice against women. Oh look, you gave an example. How generous! Which is typical of the general ignorance and cluelessness of women on this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/22 05:49 PM
4

TRP is nothing but. Regards women as children; as half-men. Not fully endowed with the same rights to freedom and autonomy as men. Fully invested in attempting to control women.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/22 05:47 PM
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When women approach, it’s usually after they’ve established some common interests and mutual attraction. Makes rejection far less likely. Men should try that. No one should have to endure 20- 99 rejections for one number. It’s dehumanizing. But so is constantly propositioning women based on nothing but their breast size or whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/22 05:42 PM
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I agree with him. The jargon, pseudoscience, and general rage towards women mean that casual sex is highly unlikely for men this aggro. RP men love to claim that women are predictable and easy to manipulate; but if they were, there weren’t be so many disaffected men. Women can smell it from a mile away.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/22 05:40 PM
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If a peer were to complain, I’d listen and help. But my (and my friends’) desires are completely at odds with most disenfranchised men’s agendas. A recent thread complained about women’s response to approaching, and he immediately devolved into referring to women as bitches. And that’s more common than not; RP men appear to actively despise women. I am not remotely interested in making access to women easier for men like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/22 05:37 PM
2

I haven’t had many partners, but all were “hot” I suppose and all were fun in bed. I’ve had friends complain that boyfriends or husbands in long term relationships get lazy in bed, or complain about a loss of attraction, but I don’t actually have any female friends who complain about men being bad in bed. Chemistry and mutual attraction are far more important than technique. But we can just make ourselves cum if she just starfishes and enjoy the view. So even if she is shit, we can still get enj…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/22 05:31 PM
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One thing RP men can’t accept is that women aren’t under any pressure or timeline and rarely if ever have to search for or settle for a man. Not sure how many times women need to say it aloud, but aging isn’t the problem men fantasize it is. Men age, too, and the break up and divorce. The vast majority of men want a compatible partner, not an 18 year old who will wake up in her twenties and realize she missed out on dating men her own age; men she’s physically attracted to who can keep up with h…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/22 05:24 PM
14

We’re in a strange time, when young men mistake screeching, recreational outrage for competence and authority.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/22 04:39 PM
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we have Adam Sosnick who is a pop culture financial podcaster that is 41 yrs old and would be considered high value men to most women. No? Why do you believe this? There may be a certain type of women attracted to that person, but he isn’t remotely appealing. He’s an over caffeinated salesman desperate for attention. Total cheeseball. Why do so many PPD men feel that men who shout on social media are “high value”?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/22 03:32 PM
3

Can’t answer that question with those parameters, especially not in this sub. It’s a set-up and you know this. But you cannot pick out a Hollywood actor who represents who I find attractive because muscle bound gym rats are everywhere. Many are ugly on in the inside. Chemistry is more important than conventional good looks, but I don’t have chemistry with men who aren’t intelligent, engaging, comfortable in their own skin, and comfortable with their sexuality. Attractive face isn’t as important …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/22 01:41 PM
2

It is also why women are designed to keep sex rare. If it was plentiful, men would never commit to women. It isn’t plentiful because most sex with men is awful. With the exception of conservatives hoping for marriage and family, friends women want good sex with a trustworthy partner more than they want a ring.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/22 12:35 PM
2

That's kinda the point of this sub bruh... You don't walk into a bar and ask what's up with all the alcohol. Clever, I like it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/22 12:33 PM
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These are good questions. Why are men so obssessed with women ??? No idea, but every corner of the manosphere is filled with tips and hacks and angry, spit flying diatribes about how to trick women out of pussy. When anyone asks them, they get angry. But if you visit the womanosphere, you find the majority of women struggling to get away from unwanted attention and gain some independence and autonomy. The contrast is striking and should probably be studied by an anthropologist. Major shift in va…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/22 12:32 PM
2

The home cooked meal and the massage after you’ve had a shitty day - he wanted it. The couples spa day booked after getting a babysitter to give you a break - he wanted it. The times he came all the to your work with those quiches only you like Ha I missed how you framed a “couples” spa day as a romantic gesture for her.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/22 01:33 AM
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If a man is going to claim to be romantic, he sure as fuck better be doing more than basic home and family care and asking for extra credit, that’s for sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/22 01:24 AM
2

You provided examples of things women do every day, and acted like doing it once in a while was a “romantic gesture”. Got anything else? No? I figured. Guess women really are the romantic partners after all.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/22 01:16 AM
2

What do men do everyday?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/22 01:14 AM
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With the exception of the rare 10,000 ring and skyscraper proposal, you didn’t mention a damn thing female partners do almost every day without asking for extra credit.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/22 12:53 AM
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The 10k wedding ring and proposal on the top of a skyscraper Rare. Babysitter for his own children? Why isn’t he helping care for them? The home cooked meal Awesome. I’ve made something like 2,000 romantic gestures for my husband. he came all the to your work with those quiches only you like The time I arranged for all the family birthday parties, cookouts, and holiday meals? I did all those things for my husband. Seems like “romantic gestures” are the daily things women do for men and their fam…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/22 12:24 AM
4

What sort of romantic gestures do men want?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/22 12:06 AM
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Modern romance are all about men simping for women, while women don't do anything. Obviously you’ve never swallowed semen. There is no grander gesture. ETA geez, was a joke, fellas
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/22 11:58 PM
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Stand by. I’m going to buy a bunch of things for my husband that I know he doesn’t particularly care about so I look like a good wife. “Hello, Amazon? Please send me a men’s manicure set, beard wax, a vegan wallet, and a chef’s knife. No, he chews his nails, doesn’t have a beard, prefers leather, and doesn’t cook, but I saw it on a movie.”
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/22 11:57 PM
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If it isn’t specific gestures or favors that an individual woman desires, he isn’t doing it for her, he’s doing it for him.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/22 11:37 PM
4

What do men do that is romantic?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/22 11:17 PM
8

Are you joking?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/22 10:22 PM
14

Cares about personality much more than looks. Very attracted to me and exhibits that with regular, enthusiastic sex. Big boobs or big ass (doesn't have to have both) Here he is, the average PPD man.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/22 10:09 PM
3

Yeah they do. Self-loathing is ugly.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/22 10:05 PM
1

But the manosphere says women are all so fat, surely they are ordering pizza
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/22 09:32 PM
11

Quoting OP here but it shuts your game down when a bitch sees you mackin on every other girl in the room, obviously
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/22 07:59 PM
6

How do you confirm mutual attraction? A man told me he caught me staring at him when I just wanted a description for police after he followed me at the park.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/22 07:55 PM
12

That’s called desperation.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/22 07:54 PM
14

I think most women who are annoyed are just exhausted with men’s constant desire for validation.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/22 07:53 PM
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Historical evidence that women have been seen as lesser in nearly every society is easy to find. Historical evidence that men are oppressed because they are virgins is a ludicrous claim.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/22 07:50 PM
1

Looks don’t mean a thing of a personality is shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/22 07:42 PM
-1

Half the world sees women as inferior to men, yet here women are, surviving anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/22 07:42 PM
3

If they have all those traits, they are incel by choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/22 07:31 PM
4

Why the hell would any woman want to get stuck with a man who only cares about her appearance? This is why many men are alone. A man’s approval of a woman’s appearance is worthless unless she loves him.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/22 07:30 PM
2

Plenty choose to stay alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/22 07:26 PM
12

I would say there are more flawed, socially awkward men now than in years past.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/22 07:25 PM
1

If you don’t know the difference between who someone is and what someone looks like, I’d prefer if it you didn’t talk to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/22 07:19 PM
1

“Societal standard”.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/22 07:19 PM
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They go back and forth between expressing horror that sexual attraction is important to women and disdain that women don’t understand how important sex is to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/22 06:22 PM
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I’ve never heard of it and a search on Reddit produced nothing. You sound jealous, tbh
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/22 06:19 PM
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Stop doing weird things.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/22 06:07 PM
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Where are the women claiming that a high number of partners is an accomplishment?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/22 06:04 PM
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No thanks, I prefer solid science which stands up to peer review.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/22 05:46 PM
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Same answer to all your posts: people get what they have to offer. A man can be tall and well-built, but if he's socially awkward, he won't be as popular as a shorter charismatic, outgoing man who is fun and relaxed. All able-bodied adults should be employed and somewhat independent, even those who live with family members or roommates. game, humor, great storyteller Depends on the women he connects with. I imagine that introverted, quiet women would find this sort of man obnoxious. I like that …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/22 05:45 PM
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No obsession, it's just widely accepted that porn is a bad education. Many people view it for what it is; sexual junk food. The occasional indulgence which doesn't add much to the quality of life. But lots of men believe what they see in porn and bring that mess into the bedroom.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/22 05:35 PM
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Ha ha what? You aren't doing science, come on. You know that.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/22 05:33 PM
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You're saying all intimate relationships start out as friends first Never said anything like that. All of my relationships began with chemistry and rapport. Mutual interests and attraction. And you're also wrong to suggest that a man who develops feelings for a female friend is a "twat" who has turned tables. I stand by that. He created the problem for himself because he is the one who attempted to change the friendship into something more with a disinterested woman. Yet, you suggest that being …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/22 05:28 PM
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It's odd how many RP men admit to making fake profiles to fuel their personal outrage machine.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/22 05:26 PM
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And personally, I don't think your career or education is any "more you" than your body. And that the interest in your career or education is deeper and more personal than the interest in your body. That's gross, dude. All these factors are equally shallow, that's what I'm saying. Your body, your face, your education, your career, your intelligence, your interests... it's all just same deep / shallow. WTF. And the fact that one superficial trait is enough for one to love That isn't love or anyth…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/22 05:25 PM
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This isn't real, but you don't need a scientific study to prove that people get what they have to offer. Have you met people?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/22 05:21 PM
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she still got a TON of matches on dating apps. To men who were her equivalent.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/22 05:09 PM
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I have no idea what your comment has to do with mine. I’m admittedly attracted to tall, strong, good looking men. My husband is an inch or two shorter but he’s a muscle bound athlete with a gorgeous smile. I have also felt attracted to charismatic, fun and easy going men who aren’t conventionally attractive, too. But an ugly guy with a shit personality is never going to level up no matter how much time he spends on the gym.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/22 04:50 PM
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Argue in bad faith with someone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/22 04:39 PM
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Isn't female porn just shows on the lifetime channel This is the topic, and this is your baseless claim. Good luck.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/22 04:37 PM
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I can’t remember any of my coworkers consistently trying to fix their flaws. Sadly that place was a crab bucket where men constantly held one another down. A new haircut was ridiculed and they whistled at any man who had a proper beard trim or different clothing. Any of them who had success with women or who was seen talking to women in the other side of the building was warned and ridiculed. They were awful to women, but they were awful to one another, too. ETA: come to think of it, few of the …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/22 04:35 PM
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None of your cites support your claim that flimsy television romances replace porn for women. Try again, but this time without the personal attacks. Makes you look small.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/22 04:31 PM
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Extreme untreated skin issues, bad teeth, obese. Should this be classified as unattractive or lazy/apathetic? Plenty of the men I worked with had solid bone structure and potential but refused to stand up straight or get a haircut. Dressed like 6 year old boys heading for church. Just utterly disinterested in looking better.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/22 04:26 PM
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“Strawman”, says the man who continuously claims that women overestimate their attractiveness. I’m simply disagreeing and stating that men overestimate their attractiveness, which is supported by dozens of weekly posts by men in which they claim that ugly women are with attractive men.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/22 04:18 PM
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I’m not sure you actually know what the Lifetime Channel is, but it doesn’t replace a sex life or address the female sex drive in any shape or form. Men have no idea how much porn women consume because women aren’t going to admit to men that they watch porn. Can you figure out why?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/22 03:57 PM
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Explain your comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/22 03:38 PM
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I understand that RP men constantly overestimate their own attractiveness and obviously underestimate women’s appeal, which I suspect is due to an overindulgence in porn.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/22 03:37 PM
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Ah yea, the ever contradicting narrative that women don’t masturbate or like sex, which is replaced every five seconds by women are sluts. It’s been an hour since your post, so where we at now? Are women overly romantic asexuals, or Chad-humping sluts?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/22 03:35 PM
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that women gain sexual satisfaction You believe women can orgasm from online attention? Women don’t care if undesirable men they don’t want to date lust after them. It’s not flattering, it’s either nothing or gross and sad.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/22 03:29 PM
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Porn isn’t a problem for typically developing people. It’s a problem when it is a habit or replacement for human companionship. No woman wants to deal with a death grip, no woman wants a dead bedroom because her lover wastes his efforts on jerking off instead of mutually beneficial sex. No woman wants a lover who has weaned himself on increasingly depraved porn and expects spontaneous anal or choking or a dozen other one-sided, selfish fetishes. And no woman anywhere wants to deal with a man who…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/22 03:27 PM
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Yes. I spent two miserable years training IT “professionals”. Most of my training consisted of teaching them basic manners and public relations rather than going over new software. Most actively hated women. Most divided their free time talking about video games and how much they hate women. A favorite topic was rating women and complaining about how much attention ugly/fat/flat-assed/flat-chested women were getting. It was pretty clear their woman-raters were all hopelessly unreliable thanks fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/22 03:14 PM
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Then I guess you’d better recalibrate your eyes because people get what they put out there.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/22 03:05 PM
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though, you’re saying no woman, anywhere, wants to talk to men in public. I’ve never been in a place where so many men reliably use hyperbole. I never said anything like this. I said that most women don’t want to deal with stupid pick up attempts in non social venues. Organic small talk is awesome. Anything goes in any of the thousands of social events and social venues where people go with the express purpose of mingling and meeting like minded people. But “pick up artists” can fuck right off.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/22 03:03 PM
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You, I like.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/22 02:19 PM
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If this were true women would have their choice of fit, tall, strong men to choose from. Stop spouting pseudoscience. Cuckholding is common in millions of species. Intelligence advances genes where might fails.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/22 01:31 PM
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If those women are getting laid and getting relationships, they are dating their "looksmatches".
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/22 01:21 PM
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Solid. The president of the Chess Club can pine away for the head cheerleader until he dies alone. Working out alone is never going to substitute for charisma, personality, and confidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/22 01:21 PM
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For sex, yes. But women do this to themselves. They offer sex then somehow expect the dude to magically know she has a deep appreciation for art and history when all she did was dress scanty and rub her booty up against a stranger in a bar. You're conflating women who are into casual flings with everyone else. Why? But men here and elsewhere have said several times they want someone kind, who they can have a conversation with for more than sex. They care about other traits otherwise they would n…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/22 01:19 PM
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Translation: “women know plenty of charistmatic, interesting men who aren’t six foot tall fitness coaches who do well with women *because they have a fun personality”. Are women allowed to say that men with shit personalities don’t have romantic success?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/22 12:23 PM
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Pretty sure the only requirement men mention here is “just do not be fat” Hear that, PPD women? We’re in luck. This man speaks for all men when he says “you’re not fat, so you’ll do. No, no, don’t tell us anything about your life, your interests, your goals. Just be not-fat and men will commit. Men are utterly indiscriminate and so desperate for a female companion that any woman will do”
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/22 12:21 PM
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No it doesn’t. People generally feel attraction to those with similar habits. Artistic, creative readers who spend more time indoors probably prefer the same. Athletic, outdoorsy types are most likely attracted to similar. The lies men tell in here astound.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/22 12:19 PM
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Men don't have the sexual options women have. That’s why you believe the lying, entitlement, and subsequent gaslighting are justified? What horseshit. The person who manipulated, tried to steer a friendship into something more, then flounced out after dishonestly claiming that his female friend did something to him is entirely at fault for ruining a friendship. Men who fuckzone and relationship zone friends then flounce out in a tantrum because their sneaky manipulation didn’t work need to own t…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/22 12:06 PM
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There is no friend zone. They were friends, full stop until he put her in the relationship zone or fuck zone. It’s long past time men drop the passive voice and take ownership of trying to force a romantic or sexual element into a standard friendship. Whoever attempted to change the terms of a platonic friendship bears the full blame of making things weird and awkward. Own it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/22 12:01 PM
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What’s with the selective quoting? her interests, her education, her career, her hobbies, her sociopolitical beliefs, or her goals in life* The main reason, why women see it as shallow is, that women usually have no problem getting men's attention for their bodies, so they take it for granted and focus on what men don't pay so much attention to. You’d better hope that any women who agree to commit to you also appreciate your body in addition to the traits which make you a desirable person to lov…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/22 11:57 AM
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Any criticism of men on this sub is framed as “hatred of men” by the RP gang.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/22 11:53 AM
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Fuckzoning someone not interested is wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/22 02:56 AM
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Bullshit. I adore and admire my male coworkers and genuinely love and respect my male friends. There are dozens of men in my career field who are inspiring mentors. Authors, historians, and biologists. I’m still tight with a few of my male professors and I have a hundred or so environmental heroes to learn from. Respect and admiration for the opposite sex has fuck all to do with physical attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/22 02:36 AM
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A friendship is a mutually beneficial arrangement unless or until some twat decides he wants to date or fuck a friend who isn’t interested in him romantically or sexually.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/22 02:32 AM
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people's preferences and standards are way tighter than ever, Translation: women can earn a living and pay their own bills and no longer feel compelled to settle for a man she isn’t physically attracted to and intellectually excited about.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/22 02:17 AM
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Everything from his aggression Aggression leads to mass shootings. Did you mean to say “assertiveness”? to his competitiveness Women fighting for equal opportunities at work are competitive. Women who play and win at sports: competitive. Women in STEM fields are competitive. to his sexuality Feminists aren’t fighting for birth control and abortion because they hate sex with men.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/22 01:00 AM
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It can be trying to make conversation in a book store when you notice she shows interest in the same books you like. It is finding yourself waiting for a bus and smiling at a stranger then seeing if they smile back to initiate a conversation. Phony. Opportunistic. It is going to some social event and chatting about your favourite hobbies. That isn’t a cold approach. Common interests and common ground in a social venue means there is a legitimate reason for small talk.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/22 12:43 AM
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Feminism has fuck-all to do with being hurt by men. Where did you get that idea? I believe a kid raise by feminists can be an all round successful man, but not by having his masculinity strip out of him. Define masculinity.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/22 12:26 AM
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She probably just doesn’t appreciate when lonely oddballs interfere with her job or errands.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/22 12:23 AM
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Women call men shallow because men admit they don’t care who a woman is. They don’t care about her interests, her education, her career, her hobbies, her sociopolitical beliefs, or her goals in life; they care about how she looks. Do all the men here really misunderstand the meaning of the term “shallow” as it applies to romance?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/22 12:18 AM
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Citation please.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/22 12:15 AM
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He will absolutely be successful with women. Men who like women get mad pussy, as opposed to men who resent women, have no female friends or try to fuckzone or relationship zone every woman who acknowledges their presence. Look, the RP idea of a manly man is a caricature. A clown. A club of men who admittedly routinely go after women who aren’t interested, who “can’t control their feelings”. So which are they? Masculine men who maintain “frame” but who are bubbling over with neediness and insecu…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/22 12:12 AM
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Most women here also regularly fuck men, and many of us even put their penis (blush) in our mouths. But those men don’t hate women.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 11:43 PM
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Women are under no obligation to pander to the desperate loner with no social sphere, either.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 11:41 PM
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Prudent. For every woman who has been genuinely inconvenienced by an unwanted approach, there is another happy to use the events for social media clout and attention. Can’t say that I blame them. If men feel so strongly that cold approaches are their god-given right, they should be proud to be shared on social media.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 11:39 PM
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If women aren’t wandering the planet propositioning strangers the way men are, they are doing just fine. Women aren’t desperate as men, therefore are “hot shit”.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 11:37 PM
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25% of married women worked outside the home in the 40s. After that the vast majority of “pink collar” jobs were held by women. Teaching, nursing, secretarial social work, childcare, hairdressing, and legal support.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 11:36 PM
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Because he’s only “good enough” for friendship. /s Men really need to stop the competitive bullshit. Chemistry either is, or it isn’t. A man who a woman prefers isn’t “better”, he’s different.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 11:30 PM
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Showing romantic interest in women who aren’t interested is a lack of self control, yes. Absolutely. Fuckzoning friends is stupid.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 11:27 PM
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I posted the keywords for videos women post on social media of pick up artists.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 11:26 PM
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But you were talking about women. Have you seen the standards and expectations of "meh" women these days? It's pretty amazing... Don't even worry about the men getting laid. If you're not, please walk into the ocean. It certainly isn’t women’s responsibility to get men laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 10:01 PM
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She expects him to have self control like any other adult. Do men want to be treated like children?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 09:58 PM
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That’s the thing, they know women know when they are being shady and dishonest, but women expect them to grow up and manage their behavior and their feelings. Reason and logic is too much to ask though because according to men “I can’t control my feelings”. Except they can control their feelings. They don’t punch out a boss or cuss out a client. They rarely attack people in a fit of road rage. Men don’t slap their mothers or fathers when they disagree with a rule. Men can control their feelings;…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 09:13 PM
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Depends on his attitude. If he’s friendly, fun, and laid back: there is no short. If he’s intense and humorless, anything below my height.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 09:07 PM
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they don't have the confidence to make romantic intent known off the bat and that's all it is, romantic intent under the guise of friendship. Shit, they know they don’t have a chance, they just believe they can wear her down if they hang around long enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 09:01 PM
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I don’t know what they are on about. I have two close male friends I paddle with, and my husband has a woman in his foursome he hits the driving range with while I take my time on 9 holes. I’ve always had male friends, since kindergarten. It’s normal. The brainwashing is wild. They can’t get out of their own way.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 09:00 PM
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Not your call, is it? If women are getting laid, what they look like is none of your concern unless you are the man laying them.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 08:47 PM
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Red Pill laments the situation, but really only expects women - at best - to not be wishy washy when rejecting a man. Ha ha women don’t give a fuck what the red pill says about anything. Women will say or do whatever it takes to protect their safety and avoid a stalker.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 08:46 PM
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It’s not a fantasy, you can see it yourself on TikTok, YouTube, Instagram and Facebook. I suggest you start with “gym creep” “sidewalk creep” and “Target creep”
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 08:45 PM
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I try not to engage. The minute I realize one is following me or trying to intercept me, I juke. But I don’t blame women who surreptitiously get their phones out and start recording. Rejections are rarely handled well by men who proposition strangers.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 08:33 PM
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Imposing on anyone because you want attention is wrong. Your need for attention isn’t more important than whatever they are doing. Cold approaching is no different than a car salesman obnoxiously stopping people in a mall to pitch them a car. Sure, there is a vanishingly small chance that the salesman will find the one person in the mall who happens to be interested in the car, but he’s obnoxiously bugged the hell out of everyone who does not want to buy a car from some rando wandering the mall.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 08:32 PM
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Because men initiate. If men took the passive approach of women the birth rate would crater to near zero. Attractive, appealing men beg to differ. Do you feel inconvenienced when ugly gay men attempt to pick you up and waste your time? How about when attractive women try to pick you up?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 08:23 PM
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Why isn’t “she isn’t attracted”’reason enough for him to keep the friendship platonic and mutually beneficial? I can’t understand the desires men express here. Why do so many men want women who aren’t remotely attracted to them?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 08:21 PM
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Species isn’t going to die out. Most people are doing just fine. I picked a lane. Unwanted attention which imposes on another is amoral. Women want less attention from men they aren’t attracted to. This should be very clear. Straight men won’t mind unwanted attention from attractive women as much as they mind unwanted attention from ugly gay men, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 08:12 PM
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Men who have a social sphere are socially astute enough to wait for mutual attraction before hassling someone. Men aren’t going to stop, but women are more and more emboldened to push back. There are countless videos on social media of women rejecting men who make absolute asses of themselves trying to force her to listen to them, or who flip the fuck out when rejected. Eventually they will get the hint or figure out when and where their attention is wanted. After being hassled since I was a tee…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 07:53 PM
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I’m bothered by all cold approaches. Anything I’m doing is better than getting pinned down and forced to endure a spiel or phony requests for help until I can politely and safely extract myself. I would guess that the men who cold approach me are evenly split between physically attractive and not, with a few outliers. The good looking, muscle bound roided out athletes at my old gyms were just as annoying as the twerp who follows me around Target. I’ve just had enough of the “if he was Hemsworth …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 07:49 PM
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If someone is busy and has shown zero interest in you, you already have the answer. Because employers don't go around seeking out people. Help wanted ads. Recruiters. Head hunters. People need to find them and come to them. Get a social sphere, social activities and a social life. Men are expected to initiate and pursue. Not without a clear indicator of mutual interest. Without that, men are pests.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 07:41 PM
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Not sure why this is a hard pill to swallow. The manosphere rated women like cattle while at the same time insisting that women should give men they aren’t remotely attracted to a chance. Women who posses a sex drive have physical preferences. It’s time men accept that. Until that happens, women are allowed to be annoyed by an unwanted sales pitch.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 07:38 PM
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Well of course there is a moral significance to demanding someone’s time and attention. Men’s desire to get their dick wet is not more important than whatever women are doing. People who impose on others are morally suspect. Unwanted attention is an imposition.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 07:25 PM
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In before the men in this thread collectively shit pants. They rate women like cattle but don’t like the suggestion they aren’t physically appealing at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 07:14 PM
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Most women are way out of the league of men who are forced to proposition strangers because they get no attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 07:13 PM
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No, it's not. It's a man's need to initiate contact, and garner interest. An employer might be persuaded, but chemistry and physical attraction cannot be negotiated.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 07:03 PM
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I was clear. Men who aren’t getting approached might have more success when they box their own weight.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 07:02 PM
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I’m saying if men aren’t getting approached, they aren’t attractive and should adjust their expectations accordingly.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 06:43 PM
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Easier to control dependent women, huh?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 06:37 PM
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Incorrect. Women do approach men they are attracted to. But why would they bother approaching men they aren’t attracted to?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 06:35 PM
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As soon as men get better looking or approach uglier women.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 06:34 PM
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Well yes, I suppose you could say a prison has benefits if it means a roof over one’s head.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 06:08 PM
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Probably do fine with “meh” women though.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 05:59 PM
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Women have precisely the same right to reject a man based on his physical appearance as he has to approach based on her physical appearance. When men begin routinely approaching ugly women, we can have an honest discussion about “shallow” behavior. Until then, yeah, getting approached by a stranger a woman is interested in is far more desirable than the opposite. Get over it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 05:59 PM
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This might be how women perceive things. Men need to initiate contact and pretty much fuel attraction. This is PUA nonsense. Attraction cannot be manufactured and men who try just come off looking like clowns. So, who do you blame now? The same man I blamed before. The man who goes after a woman who has shown zero physical attraction or romantic interest.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 05:43 PM
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She speaks rationally and logically, so yes, she’s speaking for all women. Men claim to function logically but seem to collectively believe they can merely want a woman into reciprocating interest. Always seeing romantic or sexual potential where there is none.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 05:33 PM
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Women do approach men they find attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 05:29 PM
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Sunk cost fallacy says Briffault’s Law is irrelevant. Plenty of women remain with useless men out of habit, poor self esteem, or fear of social repercussions.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 05:28 PM
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Sure hope you’re doing your part as a competent, skilled, brave, assertive, traditionally masculine male.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 02:14 PM
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Your SD link does not conclude that vocabulary is dropping significantly. "Admittedly, experts who see no cohort effect in the GSS data acknowledge some period effect – the later the vocabulary test is conducted, the lower the scores across all groups, if only slightly. Whatever it’s called, researchers variously attribute this small drop to less reading overall, the dumbing down of reading material, the demise of intelligent conversation, or the ascent of TV. (Italics mine) Also this: Evidence …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 01:13 PM
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Women want a man they are attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 12:47 PM
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I can't figure out why men so frequently pine away for someone who has shown them zero interest. Why would any man crave romantic or sexual validation from someone who had to be talked into it? Control yourselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 12:46 PM
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Please tell your wife this.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 12:43 PM
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is very much the same as men on here telling me "why are you worried about pumping & dumping/infidelity/sexist men/etc. All you’ve done here is compare alarmist, extreme fears. Just because someone doesn't have much experience with the opposite sex doesn't mean they never will. Which is logical? Getting to know someone and trusting your own experience and instinct, or the self fulfilling prophecy which causes alarmists to ruin their chances of a healthy relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/22 07:24 PM
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Parents are not unbiased reporters and children are not objective observers. Men who don’t date complaining about gold digging, hypergamous women are as rational as the Irish fearing snakes. Sure, they may have heard about venomous snakes, but the Irish are in zero danger of snakebite on the Emerald Isle. And if an Irish person talked your head off for years about the dangers of snakes, you probably wouldn’t take him seriously and would instead assume him obsessive and illogical.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/22 06:28 PM
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Bull fucking shit. There is an entire porn genre dedicated to creeping on busty women who dress modestly. Men on Reddit and 4 Chan literally harassed Milana Vayntrub into hiding and now she stands behind objects in every commercial. r/ toobustytoohide is nothing but fucking creeps hassling women who aren’t showing off. Many of the posts exploit girls who are obviously underage. Nothing, fucking nothing stops men from leering at women.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/22 04:15 PM
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I’m almost six feet tall, over six feet in shoes. I don’t care how tall a man is, never have. But short men usually ignore me or act like I’ve somehow insulted them by standing up from my chair or desk, so I just assume they aren’t into me. I notice two things in men. Good posture and a relaxed grin. Short men have fantastic posture. They stand out from everyone else because they square their shoulders and stand straight, make eye contact. Short men just appear fit and competent somehow. Carry t…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/22 01:01 AM
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No, but I would never use online dating and only know one woman who does, and she uses it for hookups and apparently doing quite well. In person interactions in social venues and among my friends and coworkers are the same as ever. I’m not happy about the revival of pick-up, but I’m aware that disenfranchised men without a social circle are desperate for shortcuts to getting laid and there isn’t any way for women to avoid them. The only problems I’ve had with social media are dick pics and the s…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/22 12:51 AM
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Is a woman's view on men only valid if they have slept with and dated men? With regards to dating, sex, and marriage? Absolutely. FDS types have absolutely no reason to complain. It’s my understanding that members of Female Dating Strategy are actually dating men. Is that incorrect?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/22 12:46 AM
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Oh it needs to be talked about alright, in exactly the same way hysteria over any conspiracies are talked about. That is, treated with the exact same skepticism and burden of proof.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/22 11:54 PM
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A woman could be a lesbian, manhater or be so unattractive she has no experience with men, and yet her complaints about men would be taken seriously. Horseshit. Men here attack gay and bi women mercilessly, and every woman who has admitted being overweight or over 40 is regularly ridiculed and skewered. Dismissed as a non-person. The complaint that celibate people stir up all the baseless claims about women is valid. No one is in less danger of getting divorce raped, cheated on, forced into a de…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/22 11:49 PM
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Literally quoting “men going their own way”. Men who never dated or don’t date now are responsible for all the hysteria surrounding “gold diggers” “monkey branching” “hypergamy” “body count” “heightism” Men who have no children and women in their lives shit their pants over divorce rape and custody issues. Are only men allowed to say this or something?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/22 11:04 PM
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hen they may lie or even rape someone to get pregnant. Or when their cheating results in a man raising another man's child. Someone talking about how his marriage went south gets told he didn't do enough even when she could have been the one to take the lead. His sexual performance is under scrutiny, but not hers. No one brings up the potential for women to trick sexual partners more than men who aren’t having sex or partners. It’s like worrying about an avalanche in the middle of Illinois.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/22 08:03 PM
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What’s he wearing when this happens? Was he drinking? Was he in a high crime area? Using? At a bar? Party? He should be more careful around men. They are dangerous.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/22 11:30 PM
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How often are men targeted because of their comparative weakness and vulnerability? Because of their sex organs?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/22 10:40 PM
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Finally, a man who admits the reason men experience violence at higher rates is because men go where the violence is whereas women stay home or take precautions to avoid most dangerous activities and people. Thank you.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/22 10:23 PM
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As a man I'm already at a higher risk of having to deal with violence. Why is that? Are you in a gang? Engaging in substance abuse? Walking alone at night? Wearing provocative clothing? Why not just stay away from dangerous places? Avoid dangerous parts of town? Wear unflattering clothing? You know, behave as men always admonish women to behave and see if your risk of violence decreases.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/22 08:54 PM
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Because men aren’t fearful of women and are fantasizing that their aggressors are somewhat attractive. Try harder to empathize with the reality of unwanted attention women get. There are not Ellie Rogers out there raging and writing manifestos, stockpiling guns and ammo.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/22 08:03 PM
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Easy sex and attention from women you find utterly repulsive.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/22 08:01 PM
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In terms of sexual advances, if men maintain the same level of libido i'm fairly sure that this will become consensual sex pretty fast. But let’s make the women as shifty and undesirable as men who catcall and harass women, shall we? Greasy, ugly, unpredictable and aggressive ogres.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/22 08:00 PM
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In the US, the median middle class income is between $50,000 and $56,000. Door Dashers average $38,000. Target employee $35,000. Panda Express cooks: $50,000 Credit card call center reps: $50,000
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 08:51 PM
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You’re talking about hypotheticals and not actions, but I can assure you that men have, do, and will have sex with damn near any woman they fancy without ever having interest in who she is as a person.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 07:46 PM
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I want people to be able to face this discrepancy A lack of scruples isn’t an discrepancy; it’s a moral failing. Objectification is an avoidable liability which keeps women at bay.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 07:11 PM
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Average men are often mad because they get settled for after she was already ghosted by Mr. High Value. Do you really think this is really how contemporary gender relations should be? Outside of arranged marriages, most people have more than one relationship prior to settling in for a permanent commitment. It’s normal and unavoidable. Jealousy or resentment towards someone’s ex who is no longer in their life is pathological.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 06:58 PM
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The fact of the matter is, male sex drive is idiotic enough that a man can get seriously interested in a complete stranger based on her physical beauty alone, This is the opposite of a selling point for women and I’m perpetually confused as to why men believe that having indiscriminate taste is an asset.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 06:38 PM
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Nope. Both of my sisters are conventionally attractive, I'm ordinary. as a woman or a man) then ignoring everyone won’t do as much for you. I don't know about that. People frequently discuss an air of mystery when it comes to men. Not my jam so I have no idea why that's intriguing to some. In my case it's a sampling error; the men in my sphere aren't likely to be fans of try-hards or high-maintenance types. It also seems as though the men who come on too strong believe me to be naive because I r…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/22 06:32 PM
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What did feminists teach you about dating?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/22 04:51 PM
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Not complicated at all. So why do men denigrate sexually successful men and the women who prefer them?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/22 04:04 PM
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No offense, but I'd laugh my head off at such a formal and stilted approach. Heard of flirting?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/22 03:47 PM
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They have a serious aversion to it. Ask why. They are convinced porn use inside of a relationship is tantamount to cheating! If it's at the expense of their sex life, I understand why. If men are demanding or begging women to do what they've seen in porn, I understand why. If a man in a relationship is using porn on his own time, if his porn use isn't negatively impacting his relationship, how would any woman ever even find out he's looking at porn?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/22 03:46 PM
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Why did she choose someone else? Was he very different from you? Also, what caused you to go all in on a woman who wasn't equally interested in you?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/22 03:37 PM
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In before SiGnAls. Those aren't "signals". That's flirting. Flirting isn't a promise to date, flirting isn't a hint to come over and propose. Flirting isn't a promise of sex. Flirting is mildly more intimate than mere friendliness and shouldn't be interpreted as anything more serious than that. Sometimes flirting leads to a date, sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes it's just a grin at an attractive man and nothing more.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/22 03:19 PM
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but i’d imagine the percentage of women who solely want to do casual sex is fairly low Definitely not low for college educated women. Not sure about conservative women, but I imagine conservative women aren't pursuing casual sex anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/22 02:18 PM
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Because it fits their narrative that all women want commitments and are being played by Chad. Fits with the "post wall, childless cat lady" story. RP men need to believe that all the women who ever ignored or rejected them are going to suffer when they are older, especially when they realize that the men they rejected in their youth are dating 19 year old fitness models in their 50s.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/22 02:15 PM
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his is the exact same as women who have a knee jerk reaction to discussions about men's use of porn. They also feel threatened because it reduces their relevancy. Oh gosh, no. Porn and the potential for sex robots or whatever is a fine hobby for disenfranchised men. Whatever makes them feel fulfilled. Go nuts. When women complain about porn, it's because a porn education or porn "addiction" creates awful lovers.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/22 02:12 PM
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I’m speaking from personal experience growing up in the Bible Belt, where conservative boys put women on a pedestal, and speaking from observations I’ve made about men on Reddit. Madonna/whore complex strong here
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/22 02:01 PM
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It’s weird how RP men believe that some women don’t enjoy flings and casual sex. What makes you believe that women who date men they find sexually appealing aren’t getting exactly what they want?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/22 01:59 PM
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conventionally attractive men trade those women like it’s their fantasy team Sexually active women have agency; conventionally active men aren't "trading" them. Adults are having sex with the people they find attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/22 01:26 PM
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tragedy of sexual shame and oppression The weight of a conservative man's judgment isn't appealing for women who are at ease with their sexuality.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/22 01:24 PM
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Why didn’t you make friends with the uncool, unattractive girls?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/22 12:49 PM
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My mother was the town beauty and a huge flirt. Not quite sure if she was a pick me, but she puts up with a lot of pushy behavior from men that I would never. My oldest sister followed mom’s example and spends a lot of her fortune on remaining beautiful. I don’t give a shit and I get approximately the same attention from men. I don’t understand chasing make validation at all. Ignoring men works just as well as angling for their attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/22 12:38 PM
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Why would they be friends with me? Same reason anyone makes friends. Common interests, common experiences. Simply growing up with classmates is reason enough to be friends. I still keep in touch with friends from kindergarten though I live a few hundred miles away from my childhood home.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/22 12:22 PM
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I’m sorry, I don’t understand. Can you rephrase?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/22 12:20 PM
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“Too nice” probably meant “I want to have sex and he isn’t on the same page and will downgrade me and think less of me if I pursue it”.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/22 12:10 PM
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I’m sorry. I’m in the Bible Belt and a lot of conservative parents don’t want to do the work. They don’t teach or explain sex, but use scare tactics to control kids. It keeps children from asking questions which make parents uncomfortable and effectively ends the dialogue completely. My conservative friends have some fucked up views of masturbation and sex in general. Half have inhibitions they may never overcome and the other half went wildly the other way.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/22 12:05 PM
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Did you have female friends growing up?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/22 11:59 AM
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Why did you pick that particular girl to ask out?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/22 11:55 AM
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Your parents told you women would use you as a dildo.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/22 10:51 AM
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I didn’t get any dating advice from anyone. Appearance was obviously important to men, so I assumed they understood that women cared about physical attraction, too. I had a few “nice guys” interested in me, but none of those nice guys knew me or cared if we shared common interests or goals. Obviously they were just interested in me because of my appearance, so I didn’t pay any attention to them. I don’t have any patience for men who complain that women are shallow while they spend their free tim…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/22 10:51 AM
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I only encountered in IRL once, when I worked as a trainer for IT specialists for two miserable years in the northeast US. It was a constant topic. How to hack women, how to trick them out of sex, how to force women to validate men. "Women this, women that, women suck, I hate women, why can't I get a bangmaid of my own"
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 12:42 PM
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I'm referring to biology. Evolution is science. Evo psych and genetic determinism are largely conjecture. Garbage. Both fail to factor in the influences of parenting styles, culture, religious belief, socioeconomic background, and individual choice. And the meager selection of both the manosphere gobbles up is just a sad attempt to hack women.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 12:15 PM
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There was a thread on another sub awhile back in which men claimed the actresses in porn enjoyed the sex “or else they wouldn’t do it”. I asked for a single example of a woman’s arousal in commercial porn and they all linked to pale, non-swollen labia with a non-engorged clit. When I provided a link to a solo female orgasm and showed them red, swollen labia, engorged clit, flushed chest and neck and orgasmic contractions, they claimed physical signs of female arousal were meaningless since a wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 09:15 AM
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So yes, my 17 years old son can fuck around. He has to worry about only one thing. My 17 years old daughter has more to worry about. So yeah, the control of their behavior must therefore be different. Yet women complain about that... Name any other power imbalance in the world in which the aggressor is excused from blame while the victim who bears the consequences bears the shame.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 02:52 AM
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To be fair, they mean “don’t be a phony weirdo because that’s worse” not “a beautiful woman will appreciate your quirkiness someday”
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 02:30 AM
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even if people exaggerate about it in crucial ways. It’s pretty friggin’ complicated when compared to men’s sexuality. Many of the top Reddit posts and television tropes consist of men sticking their dicks in livestock and food.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 02:25 AM
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The likelihood of orgasm for women in a one night stand is 1 in 10. Those are terrible odds; the risks aren’t worth the gamble. The constant argument from the manosphere is that women should settle for men they aren’t attracted to because those men can learn to give the woman an orgasm. They fail to explain how she will overcome her disgust at his tongue in her mouth, his dick in her mouth, and his face an inch from hers.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 02:17 AM
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That’s called co-dependence
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/22 09:18 PM
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Caesar and Alex were porking little boys. A female friend would have steered both in a direction which would have left both with a more distinguished legacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/22 01:42 AM
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Is that like “we can’t dis prove their are ghosts, sooo…”
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/22 11:24 PM
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I intended to write “conspiracy theories” but I didn’t feel that was worth the risk in these environs
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/22 11:06 PM
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I like humans speaking to me. I enjoy small talk. I don't enjoy being stalked by loners with an agenda. S'okay. There are so many women posting encounters with pick up artists they'll eventually figure it out and learn to make friends or hit social venues instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/22 12:33 PM
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I searched Reddit. It’s always men making these claims.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/22 05:00 AM
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Well, you’re the first man here who admits that cold approachers follow women around until they are utterly alone, with no witnesses who can intervene.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/22 04:39 AM
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I don’t live all over the place, just in one place. I’ve never seen it, heard it, or read it. I’ll just add it to the list of other things men claim women say. “Where are all the good men” “I’m invisible now that I’ve reached 30” “I’m 30 and unmarried and childless; I might as well curl up and die” “Men my age are all dating sexy teenagers” “I’ve always been attracted to men who are at least twenty years older”
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/22 04:37 AM
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Friendship is reciprocal. She didn’t lose anything anymore valuable than you did. The minute you made it clear you weren’t actually a real friend anyway, but just another man who wanted sex or a relationship from her, she won’t miss you anyway. You’ll be the one to lose a friend. All she lost was an imposter.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/22 03:19 AM
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Men are so self-centered they believe their wishful thinking will make them sexually attractive to their friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/22 03:13 AM
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How does it benefit you in any way to tell someone who isn’t interested that you want more from them? It’s pointless.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/22 03:11 AM
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I doubt your friendship is so valuable that they get more out of the friendship than you do.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/22 02:10 AM
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So if you don't want to ask out, don't complain about having to answer being asked out. Women do ask men they find appealing out. It isn’t women’s fault that many men are so indiscriminate that they ask dozens of women out, mostly women who have show them zero interest at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/22 02:02 AM
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It's funny that you consider asking out a woman who doesn't reciprocate your feeling as an inability to "control" your feelings. This is ridiculous. If he knows she doesn’t reciprocate, why is he doing it? To what end? To let her know that he’s suffering and he believes it to be her fault? It clearly isn’t her fault, she didn’t change the terms of the friendship. Think about it from a men's perspective: he has nothing to gain by being just your friend if he's in love. Dude, what? What do you gai…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/22 02:00 AM
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Nah women just don’t need to hear it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/22 01:39 AM
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Where are women saying “why don’t men don’t approach me?”
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/22 11:44 PM
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No, that movie plays out on TikTok and Instagram, where women get their phones out and document the “pick up artists” in their communities and compare notes.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/22 11:10 PM
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It’s subjective, and it’s weird that you’d believe there is a metric for getting laid or finding a partner. The most beautiful, symmetrical, muscular, tall man can walk into my office; if he believes in BigFoot he’s out. If he picks on others, is a racist, is devoutly religious, belongs to a political cult, is anti-science, a conspiracy theorist: out. There is no man good looking enough to find attractive if he’s an idiot or a monster. Men don’t operate this way. They will have sex with or marry…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/22 10:34 PM
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Let me know when any “pick up artists” who flip the fuck out ever admit it. Past few years women have been getting out their phones and recording when they realize a pick up attempt is about to go down. TikTok, Instagram, and YouTube are full of videos of men losing their shit at the gym and in Target. Don’t believe me, go find the videos yourself. It would be hilarious if I hadn’t been scared to death quite a few times myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/22 10:30 PM
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That’s insane. Rejected men are wild. Dangerous and unpredictable, and spit flying angry. They are so outcome invested and create a schema of how they think a pick up attempt should go. And god forbid women ignore one, have headphones in, or be too busy to validate him. Men will scream, cuss, insult, threaten, make a scene, grab women, follow them to parking lots. This doesn’t happen in social venues where there are enough men around to put a stop to it. The last thing a woman by herself wants t…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/22 10:16 PM
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No, it’s on them for asking a disinterested woman in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/22 09:52 PM
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Direct about what? What are women supposed to do, periodically check in with a friend and say “Like, just so you know, I am not attracted to you. I’m never, ever everever going to date you or have sex with you.” Or should women just expect men to control their feelings and actions? Because that’s what I expect. I’m sure a few of my coworkers and many of my clients would have sex with me, but I expect them to remain professional and respect my utter disinterest in them.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/22 09:38 PM
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Unless she’s into one night stands, a woman would have to be an idiot to date a strange man who follows women around stores and the gym.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/22 09:26 PM
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If certain types of guys mean conventionally attractive and outgoing, they don’t have to cold approach in non social venues.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/22 08:50 PM
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Nope. I’m six feet tall. Most men don’t hit on me. It’s either overconfident gym rats or oddballs.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/22 08:36 PM
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I guarantee that 12 year old study will look quite different today. The pandemic isolation and the manosphere’s sudden presence on social media have definitely ramped up cold approaching.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/22 08:32 PM
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“Ticks all the boxes”. Have you ever been to a gym? Play any sports? There are dozens of men at the gym and on the golf course, softball game, volleyball, and basketball games who are strong, attractive, outgoing, fun-loving, and friendly. “Dream men”. And those men are only compatible with certain women they share common interests and goals. And many, as I discover at every game, are morons. Jerks. Aggressive. Short-tempered. Religious nuts. Apathetic. Vain. And many are fantastic people. Funny…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/22 07:05 PM
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I don’t live in a small town or go to church. A community can also mean a social sphere which extends into volunteer interests and events which require cooperation with like-minded people.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/22 06:57 PM
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Oh, your dream girl is just a face and a body. Her personality? Her career? Her dreams and goals? Her hobbies? Her interests? Her family? Her religion or lack thereof? Politics or lack?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/22 06:52 PM
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Describe your dream girl
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/22 06:35 PM
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If a woman is at a point in her life or even her daytime routine when not even her dream man is going to attract her, Sigh. Men are so illogical and emotional. Y'all gotta get off the Hallmark channel. How would a woman know if her "dream man" just appeared while she's picking out tampons? Just by his face and height alone? Without context, without knowing anything about him, without knowing where he works and what he studied, and if he has a sense of humor? How many rom-coms have men watched, t…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/22 06:07 PM
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He's pretending that women are always open to being approached by men they find attractive, because apparently women have nothing better to do than stop and entertain the advances of good looking men.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/22 05:59 PM
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Why would it be a bad thing for the latter to "hit on you"? It's a bad idea to hit on anyone who hasn't indicated mutual interest. Personally, once a male friend propositions me, I feel less comfortable around him. Less at ease. Afraid he's going to misinterpret everything I say or do, stare at my body, etc. Tbh I have heard about the friendzone in pop culture and social media and through friends and I think I understand the idea but I have never really witnessed it. Does it really happen that o…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/22 05:55 PM
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It's a reward for being a good person, a solid member of your social sphere and a contributor to the community.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/22 05:48 PM
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At least you admit that you believe that women spend their entire day thinking about getting dick. Surely they don't have bills to pay, money to earn. Responsibilities at work. Errands to run. Families to care for. Hobbies and interests. Nope. Women spend their entire lives from birth to death seeking male validation. What else do women exist for, except to entertain men?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/22 05:45 PM
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Because few women want to be the sole source of entertainment, company, companionship, and family to a man. A man with zero friends is a man who doesn’t like people. A man with few friends will quickly become utterly dependent upon a girlfriend.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/22 04:20 PM
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You’re not meeting women at a golf course. You play golf? Half the players on the courses in my city are women. I never have to play with men unless I just want to; doesn’t matter what my tee time is, there are always women to share a cart with.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/22 02:58 PM
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Truth. Two of my paddling buddies are male. I introduced one to his now wife, who is my genetic opposite. Short, chubby, giggly, shy. That’s his type. My other friend is a weed smoking, patchouli soaked hippie professor who works at the college I teach at part time. I’m definitely not his type, either. Every other male friend I’ve had has either hit on me and flounced out after rejection, or done something rapey like try to get me to drink or take a nap with him or something.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/22 02:47 PM
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Women hate it. Daily threads in every woman’s sub and occasionally in AskMen asking why some men can’t just be friends and try to manipulate women into a romantic or sexual relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/22 02:28 PM
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They don’t want compliments from men, they want female validation from women they find attractive. Next time one of those threads pop up note how often they complain about gross old women at work giving them compliments.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/22 02:19 PM
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Those approaches are not spontaneous, men just believe they are skilled actors. Every woman saw him coming long minutes before he pretended to bump into her.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/22 01:48 PM
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Part II: why don’t women give men compliments? See Part I.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/22 01:04 PM
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Ask any woman who tries to run errands or exercise with some man gawking at her. She isn’t giving “IOIs” or whatever bullshit pick up artists call it now, she’s keeping an eye on the rando who’s stalking her. Invariably every man on the pick up subs believes if a woman looks on his direction, it’s a “signal”. Then they come home after being rejected a dozen times and rant all night about “mixed signals” when there was never a signal in the first place, just their wishful thinking.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/22 01:01 PM
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Most men can’t conceive of women existing without a man’s input. As though men manifest women for their own purposes and entertain. Women are Schrödinger's gender; if men can’t see them; they don’t exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/22 12:58 PM
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Oh my god, I’ve never seen a man admit the “friendzone” is due to one-sided romantic interest. Men won’t admit their romantic feelings were unwanted; they use passive voice and blame women for changing a dynamic which was never there. People who want more than friendship datezoned, fuckzoned, or relationshipzoned their friend. The friend did absolutely nothing; changed nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/22 12:56 PM
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Is there a pool on the other two?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/22 10:09 PM
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It can’t be both ways. Men complain that women don’t want their attention and are pee-pants furious when they get a dirty look or a bird for leering. Then claim that women dress for male approval. Pick one.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/22 03:25 PM
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Men: “Women, why do you wear fashion if you don’t want men to stare” Also men: “Women only do fashion to get male attention”
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/22 03:20 PM
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Most women seek it from the men they love or hope to love. You only notice the desperate pick-mes because they seek male attention from all comers. Don’t assume the loudest bird in the garden represents the millions of birds you’d never notice.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/22 02:54 PM
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Jordan Peterson, Gaines, Samuels, any and every “dating coach” comes to mind. Taking advantage of under-educated, asocial disaffected men.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/22 02:32 PM
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Nah, women who don’t seek male validation don’t stray. Good luck with the pick-mes though, I’m sure they have men’s best interests at heart.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/22 02:20 PM
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SAHM have always been and will always be taken advantage of and taken for granted. They will never earn commensurate compensation for the tasks they do. Regardless, disaffected men can’t get female validation or sex. The alternative is a bit scary.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/22 02:01 PM
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Shit. What’s the process for returning a rib? I want out of this contract, it sucks
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/22 02:00 PM
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Until a man comes along who gives her even more validation and attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/22 01:59 PM
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The desire to gawk at beautiful naked women men wouldn’t otherwise see in person is never going away. Men profited and benefitted from women’s labor for eons, did you ever demand that stay at home mothers earn pay equivalent to daycare, transportation, errands, and housework for their efforts?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/22 01:57 PM
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Wish I knew where they got the idea that women shouldn’t be allowed to choose which men they interact with.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/22 01:54 PM
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They are mad because they have to pay for content/sex while other men get it for free.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/22 01:04 PM
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Fine, skip that. Do you want your daughters to date men who prefer pornography to solid connection with their partner?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/22 04:43 PM
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Any sex energy can also be released in a few minutes with porn anyway. ...considering men I know are not as happy with their women. Jesus Christ, what if you had girls?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/22 03:48 PM
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Are you both in on this? Stop feeding this fetish.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/22 02:57 PM
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Because they apply the same habits to social interaction and it's stilted and insulting. Women are complex human beings, not NPCs, and there are no cheat codes or hacks to game them. There is no "press X to fuck". Advice from the pick up sub: "Why worry about being a nice guy? If you cold approach and kino escalate fast you're automatically in Bad Boy Category" "Well between your hypnotic gaze and your charming smile, my heart is starting to get overwhelmed, tell me you work at some boring job o…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/22 02:50 PM
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Tea
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/22 02:26 PM
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He'll just get another new ID and start this again. It's wild how often people force their sexual proclivities on others when there is so much freaking free porn on the internet in every possible flavor of depravity. This guy is the internet equivalent to a flasher: prefers to upset real, live people instead of dealing with his deviance alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/22 02:07 PM
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Because he's exhausted every other avenue for his cuck humiliation kink.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/22 01:56 PM
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Yep. I reported it. It's weird that he thinks this is necessary; there is so much hotwife porn on reddit. Gangbangs, humiliation, cuck. I don't get it. He must have been so excited to find a new subreddit to outrage and feed his need for humiliation.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/22 01:55 PM
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Every one of your posts sounds like a cuck fantasy. The exclamation points are... interesting.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/22 01:46 PM
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A simple prenuptial agreement would easily protect family wealth.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/22 01:44 PM
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Most divorces never go to court; much like child support and custody, they are usually decided without the expense of lawyers. Your parents must have been very wealthy. Good for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/22 01:18 PM
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It’s weird how online dating went sideways. It should have been the perfect meeting ground for introverts and intellectuals; for indoor types and homebodies. But the beautiful people flooded it and ruined the algorithms forever. Humans were never meant to see so many beautiful people at once. Social media and online dating fucked everyone except the absolute most attractive, outgoing people.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/22 01:15 PM
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In most states the assets one brings to the marriage belong to the individual, as do the debts. Only wealth and assets accumulated during the marriage are split. Of course, the men could choose to pay for daycare strangers to raise their children so that the mother could continue to work. Priorities matter more than the division of assets.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/22 01:12 PM
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Women have their own assets and income. I wonder how old some of you “divorce rape” men are. Where in the world do you live that women don’t have to work and don’t have a 401k, a car, and frequently a home of her own? Or at least a condo or lease?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/22 01:06 PM
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I don’t want to do it the first time.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/22 02:46 AM
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My 76 year old gynecologist could probably give me an orgasm but the thought of sex with anyone I’m not attracted to makes me want to vomit.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/22 02:32 AM
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Physical attraction / Lust in my experience is not enough for a relationship to work. The lack of physical attraction is a marriage killer. Sex is more than just procreation; sex cements the bond with all those lovely endorphins. In typically developing people, a satisfying sex life is an important component of their physical and mental health.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/22 02:16 AM
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Is he raising the kids and taking care of all the household responsibilities?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/22 01:46 AM
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Agreed, but I’m speaking specifically to the prevailing trend that men here exclusively want to attractive women even if they aren’t attractive. “Women are so shallow”, they say, followed by a complaint that too many women are fat or out of shape. We each roughly what we have to offer.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/22 11:17 PM
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I think that’s why so many are desperate for cheat codes or hacks. Because they refuse to settle for a woman they don’t find attractive so they are constantly looking for methods of tricking attractive women into giving them a chance. At this point it’s getting old. They should realize if they don’t want to settle, women don’t, either.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/22 09:45 PM
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Men in this thread trying to claim that unattractive men are better in bed completely discount the importance of chemistry and physical attraction to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/22 08:18 PM
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You must be a man. Women's orgasms are mind-blowing.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/22 02:16 PM
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The point is that unless men are hobby car enthusiasts, they take their car to professionals, too.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/22 02:03 AM
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No woman calls another woman to come shoot her horse for her, she calls a man. No single father calls another man to explain menstruation and feminine hygiene to his daughter, and no single father calls another man to help his daughter buy her first bras. They call women to do it, and women are happy to help. She called you because men are more likely to have guns and make a hobby out of killing things for sport and fun. It’s not a conspiracy against men.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/22 01:58 AM
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Jesus Christ someone can’t shoot their own horse unless they have a heart of stone. I don’t kill animals unless they are suffering, but I’d run to help a grieving neighbor with that one. You sound awful.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/22 12:09 AM
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Outside of crime ridden areas, adult women aren’t afraid of the dark. Many of us work different schedules than our partners and are often home alone; we have cameras and constant cell phone service. Women aren’t the fearful, fragile women from your 1950s sitcom fantasies. Most of the time it’s cheaper and neater to use a coupon and have the oil changed as they will dispose of the oil and can scan the computer for additional service issues. And I’m not sure if anyone told you, grandpa, but people…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/22 12:08 AM
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I mow and use the string trimmer and handle any downed limbs or trees with the saw because I can and enjoy physical work. If he happens to be home when I’m doing yard work or cutting wood, he helps, but he only mows when I’m out of town and never uses the weed eater. I also handle indoor remodeling projects; I’m a decent carpenter, but he’s the deck and treehouse builder. My husband is scared of snakes and spiders, so that’s me, too. But I’m a wildlife rehabilitator, so wild animals are my wheel…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/22 12:03 AM
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The chances that a woman who has enjoyed the freedom of a varied sex life would feel attraction to a conservative, uptight man are zero. This isn’t a real problem, men here just believe they are indicting women and collectively shaming them somehow. Men who are obsessed with virgins aren’t even crossing paths with promiscuous women, much less getting attention from them.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/22 07:44 AM
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So no evidence or citations, just wild ass claims about “the media”, huh?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/22 03:00 AM
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Hello, time traveler from the 1920s. Women attend college at higher rates than me and earn their own money today.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/22 02:49 AM
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How often do men actually date mismatched people? Is there a clear and present danger that promiscuous women steal men from church in an attempt to corrupt them?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/22 02:41 AM
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They are being told by every media outlet ever that only unattractive men care about it and that it will have no impact on them. What? Where have you seen any discussion of this outside of Reddit? There is no media conspiracy to encourage women to fuck around.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/22 02:25 AM
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It amuses me how much the men of PPD try to console themselves into thinking they have a chance at dating a high n count woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/22 02:23 AM
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Then you’re obviously aware that marrying a virgin will not prevent cuckoldry.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/22 02:22 AM
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There is an infidelity sub on Reddit. One of the most frequently seen topics is a wife who is bored with a terrible sex life with her first partner, so she cheats to experience sex with a more exciting man.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/22 02:11 AM
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It. Doesn’t. Matter. Women who enjoy sex aren’t going to date, fuck, or marry uptight conservatives. You are utterly free to date inhibited, conservative, and religious women. Do it. Go for it. Everyone will be happier if you would just seek attention from your own kind.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/22 12:27 AM
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Gross old married men have definitely made the job I love extremely unpleasant, and I’ve been frightened enough to call for help twice in the last year. Target and the grocery store suck now. Always some idiot asking phony, stupid questions to try to get attention. Changed to a female only gym with no pool to escape the constant commentary. And I’m utterly ordinary looking. But so are they. They are also strangers, often married or in a relationship, and I don’t want to talk to them at all much …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/22 11:53 AM
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true) as women don’t have any measurable sex drive compared to men Oh. Then what’s with the slut-shaming here? “High n count women blah blah Chad blah blah cock carousel blah blah” make up 90% of male complaints here.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/22 05:30 PM
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What’s the difference? You want something from someone who doesn’t want to give it. If you want things to change, pursue women who have shown mutual interest. The constant demand for female validation is exhausting.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/22 05:28 PM
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Whatever, Homeskool
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/22 12:46 AM
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What??? Are you serious after writing a book about how women don’t possess a sex drive and attempting to back that claim up with a paid blog? Stahp
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/22 12:14 AM
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Ha ha I’m not the one making a claim. Find a reliable peer reviewed source, shouldn’t be that hard, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/22 08:50 PM
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What even is this word salad? Did you even read the “citations” which have fuck all to do with a disparity in sex drives? “Meta analysis”??
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/22 08:37 PM
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SAGE is a predatory publisher with a history of lying about peer reviews. Do you have any science? Or just propaganda?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/22 08:15 PM
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Yeah? Any other hormones involved? Heard of ovulation? This is the only sub on Reddit in which women are prudes who don’t like sex at the exact same ratio as women who are sluts because they love sex. Science is such a mystery
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/22 07:55 PM
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You may never know.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/22 07:03 PM
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Buddy, you attacked the poster you were responding to. The least I could do was respond in kind.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/22 06:19 PM
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Tell us you have no sisters and female friends without admitting you have no platonic women in your life to care about.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/22 04:34 PM
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Defend it to your fellow men; I’m certainly not on your team. I’m on team Keep Your Fucking Hands to Yourself
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/22 03:47 PM
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Your “social circle” apparently permits women to grab ass without consent. At least be transparent about the incongruence and explain why it’s fine for women to sexually assault men but the men keep their hands to themselves. It would sure clear a lot of things up if you were open and honest about the double standard.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/22 03:23 PM
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Oh. Are you interested? Don’t your interests and desires count for anything? Or are you just waiting to get picked by a man you may not get along with, may not have anything in common with, may not share any chemistry with?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/22 03:20 PM
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I wanted to ask you to spell it out, literally script a casual conversation, then I erased it because I realized that PPD men aren’t talking to women unless they want something from then. In any other realm, explaining social skills and learning casual chitchat would be welcome. But all these men want to know is how to get women to do what they want. Utterly disinterested in female friends, friendly discourse, or expanding a social circle. Press X for blow job
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/22 03:17 PM
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just a guy who takes care of himself and is social. Quite a bit more to being personable and appealing.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/22 03:07 PM
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If such a scenario did happen then women would be 100% at fault for choosing their abusers and date rapists. Dude. Sociopaths and psychopaths exist, as do substance abusers and narcissists. Don't blame the victims when there are so many broken, twisted people out there masquerading as charismatic winners.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/22 03:05 PM
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Consent is for everyone. It's cool if you're fine with it, but the next man, or kid, may not be. Normalizing sexual assault isn't cool.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/22 02:57 PM
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Oh, you were bragging. I misunderstood. I thought this was classic whataboutism. I’d have stopped it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/22 02:43 PM
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Women post in NSFW subs because it’s sexually arousing for exhibitionists to do so. Men freely visit and post compliments and comments in order to encourage more photos or increasingly provocative photos or video. Good luck with your quest to stop men from creeping on nudes. This is always the bad faith reply. The demand for compliments from women is in bad faith. Men want positive affirmations from sexually attractive women; else compliments from other men would work just fine. Tell the truth. …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/22 02:37 PM
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Bullshit, the lady posters are thirsty for them. Its an ego boost to them. Just because you don't like that fact doesn't make it untrue. What are you talking about here? Women who post photos aren't paying people for compliments; they give them freely. Because women so rarely do give men compliments. If they want this to stop happening then give more compliments. Fuck, no. Men can give compliments to one another. Either way, women have incredibly fragile egos like I say and are more afraid of re…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/22 02:28 PM
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I hope you realize I'm not writing the words you claim. Since you are so deadset on talking to yourself, I'll step out now.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/22 02:18 PM
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Oh good god, gross comments from creeps in r/gonewild aren't positive reinforcement; there is zero chance those women are going to date those slobbering old men who comment there. Those comments are garbage and worth exactly as much. Same thing I see on FB where every time a woman acquaintance posts a selfie she'll get dozens of "beautiful!" under her post. Because that's women's culture. Women try to uplift their friends. Meanwhile the top 1% of guys out there posting and its a literal desert f…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/22 02:16 PM
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inb4 adhominems falsely accusing me of having no female friends. I didn't see you admit you've never been approached, and I have no idea what the purpose your strike-throughs serve. Of course women prefer men they already know something about and trust; women prefer men they share common interests and common goals with, whereas men care about boobs or butts or whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/22 02:08 PM
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Outside of a social venue, where do women cold approach?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/22 01:55 PM
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She’s a sexual predator. Someone should have confronted her.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/22 01:49 PM
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She’s right. Men who are personable, fun, relaxed, attractive, and who actually like women and have female friends are approached by women. Uptight, watchful, loners with no social circle are far less likely to be approached. Not sure why anyone has to explain this.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/22 01:47 PM
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I doubt many women are asking out utter strangers. Most prefer friends or acquaintances they already trust, someone they’ve already established a rapport with. Someone they already have mutual interest with. If they’ve both been flirting rejection is a slim possibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/22 01:41 PM
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Are they afraid of rejection or do they have so many options they never get a chance to ask men out because men beat them to it?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/22 01:39 PM
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Yeah this isn’t a real problem. The purpose of a date is to learn about the other person’s intentions and attitudes towards sex and relationships. If she’s unsure, she can just decline sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/22 01:02 PM
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Slut, tramp, high n count woman, whore, ho, she’s for the streets, ONS not a wife…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/22 12:58 PM
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When has that ever happened. If a woman doesn’t want to date a man, she hopes he will leave her alone instead relentlessly stalking or reacting violently to rejection.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/22 08:22 PM
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It doesn’t matter what he looks like if she isn’t physically attracted.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/22 08:20 PM
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Why wouldn’t you correct your tack after learning more about Freud’s missteps?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/22 02:11 AM
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Are you sure you understand the complex correctly? They want to marry the Madonna to raise their kids and can manage chaste love-making just fine, but they have a need to objectify a woman to fuck her well. So he takes all the fun stuff to porn or cheating, while the wife’s bed remains chilly and boring.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 04:34 PM
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I’d be fixing that shit. Ask your doctor to check your testosterone levels.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 12:53 AM
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Very few men actually wait for any sign of mutual interest. "Grog see pretty woman; Grog want woman" is the extent of their effort, and most of those men don't even care if a woman reciprocates their interest. I feel exactly the same sympathy as I feel for used car salesmen; their agenda runs counter to mine. I feel precisely the same empathy they feel for women they corner: none.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/22 04:18 PM
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The Medical Institute for Sexual Health is a conservative think tank which promotes abstinence only sex education. It isn’t science, it’s politically funded religious propaganda.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/22 07:22 AM
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Your grandmother isn’t reading or believing that outdated crap, either.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 09:24 PM
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80s books? Seriously?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 06:56 PM
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That’s what you call a near-deadly addiction? What do you call the insane, unproven quackery he used to “treat” his addiction?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 05:01 PM
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I’ve never seen him buy Benzos, either. But we all know where he’s been
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 04:25 PM
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“Level-headed”Are you really unaware of Peterson’s personal life?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 04:21 PM
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the ones that make it out have to be literally Jordan Peterson-level intellectuals about life in general, and super level headed. Wat
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 03:45 PM
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I was pretty young but a friend’s embittered, divorced mother bought right into it. We leafed through the book at her house and it was awful. The divorced mom made a train wreck of her life clinging to that misandrist crap. Horrendous boob job, bleached hair, tanning bed, provocative clothing to work at an airport. She was beautiful from a distance. Up close she was clownish. She definitely caught some attention of a few men, but made a parody of her life in the process for a few years.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 03:42 PM
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Responding to the OP in kind.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 03:02 PM
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I’ll agree with most of your post; a variety of issues can disrupt a marriage. But. A man’s inability to weather the amount of attention his child needs and his inability to enjoy sex without forcing a fetish on someone are handicaps.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 02:52 PM
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Is this the spitballing thread? Men cheat because they can’t share their wives’ affection and attention with their own infants. Women file for divorce in far higher numbers than men because they grow tired of raising grown man-babies who compete with their own kids for the mother’s overtaxed resources. No judgment here; I’m just reporting what I’ve seen in the relationship subs. Men routinely admit they are jealous of their own children. If men would learn to shoulder their share of the responsi…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 02:32 PM
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Then let me rephrase. Those unqualified, unvetted men make money from subscriptions and clicks and have capitalized on a small pool of disenfranchised, socially inexperienced men. Those men are uneducated, unvetted, untrustworthy conmen, they are paying actors and you are recommending those men as relationship experts.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 02:27 PM
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I’m watching Castillo pick up videos right now. Tom Torero killed himself when he was outed for paying women for years. None of these people have any scientific credentials and they use paid actors for their videos. Surely your own lived experience is a better source for help with social interaction.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 02:20 PM
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But they pay women to act in their videos. It’s like believing rom-coms are real.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 02:11 PM
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I regret those searches. I don’t understand how you can take those aggressively illogical cheeseballs seriously. Why don’t you trust your own experiences and instincts when dealing with people?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 02:01 PM
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And none of the male dating coaches are trustworthy. Their personal lives are a train wreck.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 01:28 PM
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Conservative women exist in corresponding numbers. If there is a discrepancy, it’s because conservative men are physically attracted to progressive women; that’s a them problem. No point in dancing around it. The vast majority of r/deadbedrooms long haulers are men who deliberately chose conservative, chaste partners then grew resentful when porn sex didn’t happen on tap. This is the real danger. Regardless of their sexual histories, men will have to come to terms with the role their sexual iden…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 01:21 PM
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She’ll just continue to date or settle down with a man with a similar past and similar POV. Where did the idea come from that men and women with radically different values and radically different sexuality are going to find one another? They simply don’t operate in the same social circles.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 01:07 PM
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Clicks, subscriptions, and the untapped resource of disenfranchised men willing to pay for “cheat codes”. Shameless exploitation of a vulnerable group.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 12:50 PM
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For fitness, fashion, and make-up, sure. Plenty of social media influencers. As far as snake oil salesman who use bad science and polarizing rhetoric, no. When I was a kid there was a completely awful book called “The Rules” which was so poorly conceived most people assumed it was a parody of mid century standards for teen girls in search of “Mr Right”, and it was widely panned and ridiculed.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 12:46 PM
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The chances that a woman who has enjoyed an active sex life will attempt to lie or hide her sexuality in order to placate an insecure man is vanishingly small. If she enjoys sex, enjoys the company of men, period, she isn’t going to lock herself down with a man who will look upon her with disdain or track her every movement and behavior with seething jealousy. This isn’t a real problem. This ongoing discussion about the “ho phase” is revenge fantasy against women who reject boring men.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 12:41 PM
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Unless this is a parody account, you can’t be unaware of how similar you sound to Elliot Rogers. It’s terrifying, frankly.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 01:52 AM
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Jealous?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 01:42 AM
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Which makes it an actual problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 12:40 AM
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I wish that were true. Haven’t been able to shop in a mall, Target, or exercise in a city park in the last ten years. Randos skulking about everywhere hassling women and yes, they do put hands on women. Me too was never about discouraging healthy social interaction. If men are concerned, they aren’t behaving normally.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 12:28 AM
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The pick up artist crap that hit pop culture in the 90s encouraged men to follow strange women around. Encouraged men to skip a social life and social venues and go after strangers in stores, public transportation, and hang around women’s jobs and pester them aggressively, and to this day encourages lonely, disenfranchised men to actually put their hands on women without permission. It’s been harassment for 3 decades now.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/22 12:09 AM
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Oh you thought I was serious. Well, don’t know what to tell you. It isn’t a problem if he’s “put off”, but no woman is going to eschew sex and relationships on the off chance some late bloomer in his thirties might be waiting for her.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/22 11:48 PM
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It's a bit early to be this drunk.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/22 11:14 PM
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The new RP narrative: Women, forgo all sex and relationships until you are at least 30, because a Nice Virgin man will be upset when he discovers you had a social life in your teens and twenties
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/22 11:13 PM
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Nope
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/22 12:07 AM
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Not for us. One of my partner’s exes is dating my brother. I adore her.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/22 08:51 PM
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Yeah why wouldn’t you want a social group? Expecting one woman or man to serve all of your needs is crazy pants. The larger your social circle, the happier and healthier your life will be.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/22 08:51 PM
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Capitalizing on your social group is the leveler. Find your people and be the most fun person
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/22 08:12 PM
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Outdoorsy and athletic people who share my interests, hobbies, and skill set. I don’t care if they are tall, short, thin, jacked. Personality, behavior, and attitude drive attraction before appearance. But the men in my sphere are pretty outdoorsy and active. Don’t know what to tell you. Im six feet tall. My options are limited, but I’ve never lacked options because I have a solid social group
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/22 08:11 PM
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Snerk Of course you have.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/22 06:52 PM
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So you had a one night stand with one flawed person and assumed that it was common behavior for all women?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/22 06:49 PM
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Never said that “no woman”. I said that health conscious women don’t risk sex with strangers. My interns unfortunately see me as a peer; I look a bit younger than my age. But women just generally confide in one another and that’s a normal aspect of female relationships regardless of age. FTR: even 18 year old college freshman realize the likelihood of orgasm with an utter stranger is low. The women who partake in risky sexual behavior partake in all kinds of risky behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/22 06:48 PM
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Sorry, can you rephrase?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/22 06:41 PM
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You must be very appealing and very fun. Good for both of you; hope it was awesome and mutually beneficial.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/22 06:39 PM
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If those men aren’t utter strangers, and they are connected in some way to a social group; they are vetted. Casual sex isn’t any of my concern. It happens for sure; people try one another out. It’s probably a fun experiment even if I wouldn’t do it. But the idea that there are masses of young women laying under utter strangers is ludicrous. There are more college educated women now than ever, which means that most women with an IQ above 70 know better than to risk pregnancy or assault.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/22 06:38 PM
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Who are outliers?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/22 06:32 PM
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I’m well under 40. I think you need to examine the type of women you are fascinated with. There isn’t a woman in my sphere, not even my college aged interns, who would risk a one night stand with an utter stranger. Maybe you should seek out health-conscious women.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/22 06:07 PM
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WTF. Mutual sexual attraction is imperative for me, but I've never had sex with a stranger. Most women are generally prudent and cautious; our health, safety, and the risk of assault or pregnancy are too great to take a lot of risks.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/22 06:00 PM
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I have zero interest in anyone in a photo. Zero interest in any man, no matter how conventionally attractive, until I see how he interacts with others. If he's relaxed, funny, grinning, and fun, he's appealing. If he's moderately active on top of a fun personality, I'm interested. I don't care how tall, I don't care what color, I don't care what his socioeconomic status is. If he's moderately active and likable and interesting, I'm intrigued.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/22 05:58 PM
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Women aren't a monolith. Sexual attraction is a deal maker or deal breaker for me, but I'm physically active and outdoorsy. Sexual attraction is probably less important for people who prefer climate control and sedentary activities.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/22 05:43 PM
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Are you interested in active women or sedentary? I'd never date a sedentary man, but if you're a gamer looking for a gamer, you get what you have to offer.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/22 05:41 PM
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M'lady, White Knights deserve the head cheerleader because they are willing to open doors, bring flowers to a first date, put her on a pedestal, and indulge in porn until their wedding night. Whereas Chad can merely provide fantastic sex, all the laughs, and relaxed, fun dates. What woman in her right mind wants to enjoy her life? Good Women should want to feel deep shame about their sexuality and suppress all their desires and emotions whilst buttoning up blouses to their necks and covering the…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/22 04:37 PM
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OP is a frequent flyer in the pick up artist subs. Propaganda is the order of the day.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/22 04:27 PM
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What women want is irrelevant, period, because those men don't see women as anything except a means to their end.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/22 04:08 PM
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There is a man right now telling reddit that a date is a covert contract which is a step towards sexual activity. Don't tell me dating isn't risky.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/22 04:43 PM
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I get it. Men are comparatively indiscriminate compared to women and most don't seem to care about who women are as people at all. Women can live a polar opposite lifestyle, a diametrically opposed socioeconomic background; if a man likes her face and body, he's all in. So for every moderately attractive woman of any personality or lifestyle, there are 10-20 men who would try to date her. When men start caring about women as people rather than objects, maybe things will change.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/22 04:03 PM
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It's not a very nice thing to say, but based on the dick pics I've received, the unwanted attention from gross old married men, and the constant complaint that men vastly outnumber women on dating apps: there is a grain of truth in it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/22 03:15 PM
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No they aren't. Go back and re-read the stats you pulled that number from; says nothing whatsoever about virginity.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/22 03:11 PM
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New Zealand writer Madeleine Holden said it on Twitter in 2014, and it was co-opted for an article by writer Alana Massey in 2016, specifically in reference to the imbalance of men vs women on Tinder. All it meant was "women, don't settle, there are plenty of men out there", but the manosphere bristled and frequently take it out of context.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/22 03:05 PM
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Mmm hmm. Men are more often victims of crime because they are more likely to engage in risky behavior like substance abuse, gang activity, verbal and physical assault, and going where crimes are more likely to occur, such as going out alone after dark, traveling on public transport, attending sporting events and other places testosterone is king, going to bars, parties, and the "bad" parts of town. Women are more likely to be in the home because they have family responsibilities there. Because t…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/22 11:33 AM
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Oh, so why didn’t they marry a whore? Because they wanted a Madonna to take care of their home and children but expected her to fill both roles.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/22 08:17 AM
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Men post terrible, unflattering photos.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/22 08:06 AM
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The thing about this is women are only looking at the top 20-5% of men. They're the only men that exist in their brains. Citation?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/22 07:45 AM
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Men's attraction is more concrete, stable, and predictable. Madonna/whore complex says otherwise. Hit r/deadbedrooms to see what happens when men select a chaste mate then fall apart when she doesn’t morph into his personal kinky porn star after marriage and kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/22 07:44 AM
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and this is a big reason why men are more likely to be autistic and antisocial compared to women. Gee I wonder why so many men on Reddit complain about struggling with romance and sex. Could be an utter lack of a social circle and social skills? No? Oh, okay. Women’s fault men suck with forming connections because HiVe MiNd!1
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/22 07:38 AM
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Interesting. Every year highly trained police officers are shot while carrying; sometimes with their own gun. And you think giving guns to preteen girls will solve the problem? Pretty sure adding a weapon to an already vulnerable target is only going to increase her risk.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/22 07:33 AM
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Men admit it, alright. “Understanding Sexual Aggression in UK Male University Students: An Empirical Assessment of Prevalence and Psychological Risk Factors Samuel T. Hales, MSc, Theresa A. Gannon” “ Sexual Assault Perpetrators’ Justifications for Their Actions: Relationships to Rape Supportive Attitudes, Incident Characteristics, and Future Perpetration” “The Campus Sexual Assault (CSA) Study” “ The Undetected Rapist.” Samuel D. Smithyman
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/22 07:28 AM
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And they refuse to admit they would ever harm or stalk, and claim they don’t know any men who would. Women should start recording.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/22 03:54 AM
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Wanting to live is a valid excuse to fear strangers who are twice our size and strength who want what we have.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/22 02:09 AM
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Am I the only person who believes PPD is the Rube Goldberg machine of Reddit? Like… make every discussion of social issues as painfully stilted and convoluted as it could possibly be, then stand by proudly as the audience exchanges awkward looks and checks their watches.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/22 01:39 AM
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Because men are safer from women than women are from men.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/22 01:20 AM
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Second reference I’ve seen to 65 year old comedian Paula Poundstone here. I looked her up last time. She was semi-famous in the early 80s, most of her routine was about her cats waiting by her shower. If Poundstone is your benchmark for humor, you may not be the best judge of who is funny and popular today.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/22 12:33 AM
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comforting a guy is it usually goes nowhere without someone’s preapproval. You’ve confused pre-approval with social proof.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/22 12:29 AM
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There's definitely a line where certain behaviors can and should be controlled by either self or govenrment. Jesus.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/22 02:48 PM
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Men produce 20x the testosterone of women. Testosterone is far from the only hormonal driver behind an animal’s sex drive. Why do so many women risk unwanted pregnancy? Because ovulation can cause an irresistible urge to have sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/22 02:47 PM
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The alternative is women agreeing to date men they find unappealing. Do men want to commit to women who find them unappealing, unappetizing? Do men want to buy a home and have children with women who aren’t physically attracted? Have you ever seen r/deadbedrooms?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/22 08:20 PM
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Logic and reason or nothing, man. I don’t care about your feelings
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/22 01:19 AM
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That’s a blog. Where are the stats?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/22 01:11 AM
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You’re overthinking. It’s a nuisance with a bit of anxiety because loners who follow women around the stores and parks are unpredictable. A man’s desire to get his dick wet is not more important than whatever a woman is doing.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/22 02:04 PM
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A hot guy isn’t likely to cold approach because he likely has a social life and a social circle. Chad also has many more prospects and is less likely to have a meltdown when rejected.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/22 02:00 PM
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Why aren’t women allowed to prefer to interact with men they are attracted to?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/22 01:49 PM
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A stranger striking up a conversation in line at the grocery? Or a stranger who follows you for several yards in order to interrupt with a sales pitch? Because the first is a pleasant, organic chat. The latter is a demand for an audience by a man who wants something from you.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/22 01:47 PM
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His relationship status isn’t relevant or interesting. He took a comment to someone else and pretended I was talking to him.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/22 05:14 PM
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I’m in the US, I have no idea what you are referring to. Is it a skit? Comedian?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/22 04:50 PM
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Regardless of reasons, why do men feel entitled to a positive experience if someone wants to escape their company? Name any other aspect of adult life in which rejection comes with a complimentary cookie? “Jason, you’re fired. However, we compiled a list of of your positive skills and attributes.” “Jason, the bank has decided not to give you a mortgage loan, but here is a list of all the times you paid your GameFly bill on time.”
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/22 04:48 PM
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OP is not a woman, not sure why you’d trust his experience. And I highly doubt men admit to one another the desperate extremes they go to for female validation.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/22 04:37 PM
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What a peculiar thing to do. My comment about inexperienced men was not a response to you at all. Why in the world would you read unrelated comments to someone else as aimed at you? How strange.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/22 04:33 PM
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Extreme? Not in my experience. Men I’ve barely acknowledged have moved into my personal space without any invitation.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/22 04:27 PM
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Who?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/22 04:26 PM
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