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Activism/Supportiloomynazi/r/MensRights05/08/20 10:39 AM
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Social Issuesiloomynazi/r/MensRights04/01/21 09:05 PM
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Lol
/r/MensRights04/08/21 05:44 PM
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Thanks you too
/r/MensRights04/08/21 05:22 PM
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Looks like I hit a nerve
/r/MensRights04/08/21 05:17 PM
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And at MensLib we don’t agree with you. And too often misogynists hide behind “feminism” when what they are really attacking is women.
/r/MensRights04/08/21 05:17 PM
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So your assessment that I hold my opinions because I’m trying to impress women is laughably wrong. It just shows what echo chamber incel circles you must move in that you expect anyone who thinks differently to you to have a bad relationship with their parents or is trying to get laid. Grow up. I just don’t hate women, it’s as simple as that.
/r/MensRights04/08/21 05:07 PM
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i'm gay so try again. i subbed here because i care about men's issues, only to find im a minority here.
/r/MensRights04/08/21 04:23 PM
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Thanks for proving me 100% correct wrt to the users and content of this sub.
/r/MensRights04/08/21 04:13 PM
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k
/r/MensRights04/08/21 02:56 PM
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couldn't have a better relationship with my dad not that its any of your fucking business. why are you trying to pathologise someone disagreeing with you.
/r/MensRights04/08/21 02:53 PM
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But then look in the comment section of any post. Invariably full of misogyny
/r/MensRights04/08/21 02:50 PM
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sure jan
/r/MensRights04/08/21 02:27 PM
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You haven’t rebutted anything I said. Other than your opinion that feminism isn’t about equality. Perhaps try to think a little before trying to construct a counter argument
/r/MensRights14/07/21 07:30 AM
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Yes lets reject things because we don't like what they are called. Big brain time over here.
/r/MensRights13/07/21 11:01 PM
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Your examples don't hold. If you believe in gender equality you are a feminist because that's the central tenet of feminism. Your examples don't hold because the sets and supersets are reversed. E.g. if you like J Cole then you must like rap music, would be the correct way of putting it. J Cole is a subset of rap music, like feminism is a subset of "beliefs in equality" for want of a better phrase. So believing in equality means you also believe in feminism, seeing as feminism is a subset for th…
/r/MensRights13/07/21 10:59 PM
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ono what we will do
/r/MensRights25/06/21 01:52 PM
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Not sure I provide anything material to my family, nor my partner. So no I don't agree with this.
/r/MensRights25/06/21 12:27 PM
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I agree with the sentiment, but every other post here frames men's rights in direct opposition to women's rights. If we want to change public perception of MRAs we need to stop framing it as a war on women.
/r/MensRights10/06/21 12:31 PM
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Obvious bait. Maybe be less desperate to be a victim
/r/MensRights31/05/21 02:17 PM
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Because generally people gaslight men’s issues and act like they don’t matter. Yes and framing every issue men have as being in direct opposition to women isn't doing this. The public care about women's issues because women are able to put forward issues that matter to them without framing it through "men are evil, we need to destroy them". The reason nobody cares about men's issues is because to most people it's just a bunch of losers who hate women. If we want people to care and take notice ab…
/r/MensRights21/05/21 08:53 PM
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For the record though it's not a point "against women" it's a point against society and the radical feminists that push this stuff to distract from the issues. No it's not about "radical feminists". It's about everyday women putting forward issues that matter to them. Most women, in fact. Feminists have fostered an environment where they can openly discuss their issue, and they do that. MRAs haven't achieved that because we haven't fostered that environment. We've fostered an environment where w…
/r/MensRights21/05/21 08:51 PM
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Contrary to the narrative of women being put under undo stress due to COVID-19 Why can nobody highlight men's issues without trying to score points against women? This isn't a zero sum game. Just makes us look hateful and bitter.
/r/MensRights21/05/21 07:31 PM
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Conservatives really have to stop pretending context and subtext don’t exist. Or rather, they need to stop hiding their bigotry behind syntax. For example consider this real life scenario: a TERF who pays for a billboard to be put up that reads “woman = adult human female”. To the average joe, that’s an inoffensive statement. However the context of this billboard being paid for by a TERF who wants to deny LGBT people equal rights, reveals the subtext of what the billboards actual message is: tra…
/r/MensRights15/05/21 06:15 PM
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Lmao I know I don't speak for all historians mate, jebus.
/r/MensRights12/05/21 04:26 PM
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I mean, it is https://www.bbc.com/culture/article/20191107-the-men-who-leonardo-da-vinci-loved Gay men are heavily overrepresented among "the greats" for lots of reasons, but mainly because they had no family obligations.
/r/MensRights12/05/21 03:23 PM
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Life long bachelors basically means they were gay in Historian speak FYI. Da Vinci def had gay lovers
/r/MensRights12/05/21 12:46 PM
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The overrepresentation of men as homeless is a man problem. No ofc they shouldn’t be left to die, I don’t know where you think I even implied that.
/r/MensRights10/05/21 10:40 PM
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No idea, but this is specifically a male problem as you mention. Feminists do predominantly work to solve women's issues. It predominantly up to us to solve our issues, but most women/feminists will say it's a bad thing that men are so much more likely to be homeless etc.
/r/MensRights10/05/21 12:28 PM
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Great but a lot of countries don't have paternity leave. I was just using this as an example. And this is some blog entry? Not really proof of anything aside form this woman being a moron.
/r/MensRights10/05/21 12:26 PM
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Then you recognise that his initial argument was just as stupid? Because that's what I was demonstrating. Anyone can make a shopping list of examples of "things group X did that I dont like therefore group X is bad".
/r/MensRights10/05/21 12:24 PM
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Specifically on things like paternity leave, which benefits us both. But pragmatically speaking if we help women with their problems they are more likely to help with ours. And then ideologically wrt gender equality, we have the same ultimate goal. There is no reason why our goals should contradict one another.
/r/MensRights10/05/21 08:03 AM
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What political movement? Who are you talking about? His definition includes every woman on the planet, there’s no reason to disclude a single woman
/r/MensRights10/05/21 08:00 AM
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Similarly women are a gender, not a political group. You yourself have admitted these people aren’t all connected. Women are people who are self interested, like everyone else. Women are a group with societal issues, that they obviously want fixed. Anything they do could be construed as “hurting men and boys”. Woman get the vote? Men’s power is diminished. A woman gets a job? A man could have got that job. All you’re doing is framing situations the way you politically want them to be framed. Yes…
/r/MensRights09/05/21 08:33 PM
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Ask yourself a serious question. How is this list you've painstakingly put together any different from "here are some women doing things I don't like"? Because that is all I see here. It's also what most other people see. If I said "jews are bad", and then collated a series of links to jews doing bad things, you would rightly call me an antisemite wouldn't you? If I said "they're all working to undermine and hurt us all!", you'd call me a Nazi right? So why is what you're doing here any differen…
/r/MensRights09/05/21 06:41 PM
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Wow feminists owned with facts and logic!
/r/MensRights09/05/21 06:22 PM
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No you're not. These group's aren't linked together in some worldwide conspiracy theory to hurt you. Grow up. I'm generalising the kind of behaviour that some MRAs exhibit, like yours, that make MRAS unbearable to normal people. Ask yourself why the person in OP's post doesn't want to be associated with MRAs? Because of batshit attitudes like yours.
/r/MensRights09/05/21 06:18 PM
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You are aware that anyone can produce a list of "bad things group X has done" and go "See they're bad!!", right?. It's not a very good way of arguing. It relies on appeals to confirmation and representativeness biases mainly, and informationally aren't very useful. For example: Look at this bastard!!! They're so violent!!! They must be stopped! See! They clearly HATE humans! Vote now to BAN them!
/r/MensRights09/05/21 06:00 PM
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This is exactly the sort of thing that makes people hate MRAs
/r/MensRights09/05/21 05:46 PM
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This should be a wakeup call for some people here. The MR movement often looks like straight up misogyny and bigotry to a lot of people. There is a major PR problem where MRAs are seen as gamer gaters, red pillers, incels etc. And as such, well-meaning people don't want to be associated with it. Personally the type of content I see that bothers me is that MR is put in opposition to feminism. When really there's no reason we can't coexist and no reason we can't work together.
/r/MensRights09/05/21 05:45 PM
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Fakest gayest shit ever
/r/PussyPassDenied05/03/21 05:22 PM
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If you consider yourself an MRA, and believe that men have issues that need solving, you cannot deny women that same right or denigrate them for doing it. A lot of people in this sub are still stuck in gamergate FeMiNisM is EvIl misogyny.
/r/MensRights26/02/21 04:46 PM
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Too many people in this sub think "feminism" means "this girl who said something shitty". Most people believe in women's equality. If you agree then congratulations you are a feminist too. That doesn't mean you have to agree with everything every feminist has ever said, nor what every single woman says, nor what some shitty anon Twitter user says. Yes there are a lot of differences between women and men's interpersonal relationship styles, and the characteristics of women's intra-gender relation…
/r/MensRights18/02/21 04:20 PM
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I don't think peple literally mean they just need to cry more, they mean the should be open about their feelings, show others how they are feeling, not be afraid of seeking help etc. Ofc there are societal issues at work here, but men coming forward with their experiences is how we educate society and change it.
/r/MensRights18/02/21 09:47 AM
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What's this got to do with mens rights?
/r/MensRights16/02/21 03:58 PM
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This I garbage. You have nothing to back up this claim, just your hunch.
/r/MensRights30/01/21 09:22 AM
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Well, it doesn't. In that it's socially constructed. But its more the point that one version of masculinity doesn't exist, and nobody is being a man "the wrong way". That's the toxicity that we need to end.
/r/MensRights29/01/21 06:17 PM
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The idea of masculinity isn’t wrong. It’s when society tries to force its subjective version of masculinity upon men that is the problem. We need to be free of this shit. Not going “China’s got the right idea for forcing men into the gym to make them more manly”. Whatever your version of being man is, it’s valid. There is no “right way” to be a man.
/r/MensRights29/01/21 05:12 PM
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China seem to think they can dictate what makes "real man". This is the exact kind of oppressive gender conformity men experience every day. There also seem to be some people in this thread, including OP apparently, who think that this is a good thing. It's not. This is the shit MRAs should despise. If you're a marine or a drag queen, your expression of your manhood is valid and no better/worse than anyone else's. Don't let anyone, not China, nor conservatives, make you feel otherwise.
/r/MensRights29/01/21 03:04 PM
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Not sure this is about mens rights or mental illness...
/r/MensRights25/01/21 08:20 AM
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you need to get laid mate have a nice day, I'm disabling reply notifications; had my fill of this nonsense
/r/MensRights23/01/21 07:34 PM
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That's exactly how you talk about them
/r/MensRights23/01/21 12:16 PM
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I think you need to abandon this idea that “feminists” are some all powerful cabal dictating how society is to be run.
/r/MensRights23/01/21 11:46 AM
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Haahahah keep it coming mate this is gold
/r/MensRights23/01/21 11:20 AM
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That’s not what mansplaining is though
/r/MensRights23/01/21 11:18 AM
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And the reason nobody takes MRAs seriously is because they're perceived as just anti-woman and anti-feminist. If you actually cared about the issues at hand, there's no reason to hate women or feminism. women-worshipper. I can smell your neckbeard from here.
/r/MensRights23/01/21 11:07 AM
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It's difficult to tell our side of the story when we look like snowflakes getting triggered over terminology like "mansplaning" rather than focussing on the real issues.
/r/MensRights23/01/21 11:05 AM
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And feminists exploit this ignorance by spreading telling just one side of the story and thus lies and even hatred. Feminists are campaigning for women's issues. Why do you expect them to push for mens rights too? That's our job. People must see that feminism isn't a general equality ideology. Well, it is. You lot must see that it's perfectly possible for feminists to get their way, and for us to get ours. It's not a zero sum game.
/r/MensRights23/01/21 11:04 AM
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Mate do one. Gamergate was years ago grow up.
/r/MensRights23/01/21 10:56 AM
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Absurd to be lectured on “logic and reason” by someone who can’t follow a simple syllogism. Have a nice day; I’m done here.
/r/MensRights23/01/21 12:54 AM
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Mate. Slow down. Go back to what I originally claimed. Then ask yourself if what you’ve provided to me actually refutes what i said.
/r/MensRights23/01/21 12:22 AM
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And?
/r/MensRights22/01/21 11:34 PM
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What you just quoted to me doesn’t refute this at all
/r/MensRights22/01/21 11:33 PM
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I fail to see what your trying to say, nor how you think this is evidence for it
/r/MensRights22/01/21 11:27 PM
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And?
/r/MensRights22/01/21 11:21 PM
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There is absolutely doubt about it. Women have their issues, we have ours. There is no reason why they can’t solve the issues that affect them while we solve the issues that affect us. If you genuinely care about men’s issues, that’s the attitude you need to have. If you’re just here to hate on women/women’s issues leave, because that behaviour gives us a bad name and is antithetical to our cause
/r/MensRights22/01/21 08:04 PM
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Im not denying the propaganda part, every kind of politics does it. My point was that that what they’re saying isn’t controversial, and even people who don’t consider themselves feminists should broadly agree with that is being presented here. Feminism is not the enemy. Don’t be one of those MRAs.
/r/MensRights22/01/21 07:32 PM
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Well I'd actually argue that that is the main way sexism against men manifests itself. Their is a general bias about perceiving men as more of a threat/dangerous I wonder if that has anything to do with the disproportionate amount of men in prison? And would that be sexism? Possibly and yes. The onus is on us to do this research and find out if that is the case. Not bashing feminists for campaigning for their own issues as most people on this sub seem to be obsessed with.
/r/MensRights22/01/21 07:00 PM
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has almost nothing to say about the sexism men face. ...in this particular infographic. Why is this "feminist propaganda"? It's anti-sexism propaganda. And regardless, you should support the ideas presented in this infographic, even if you think it's lacking and should include more men's issues. Not dismissing it.
/r/MensRights22/01/21 06:38 PM
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The acknowledgement that men suffer from this at all is more than most have done. And for the type of sexism they are talking about, it does primarily affect women. Sexism against men is more subtle and more structural, and judging by this shitty quiz, beyond the scope of this infographic. Men's role as the breadwinner of a the family for example, some traditionalists may like that, but Menslib folk will say that men are oppressed by that. It's not as simple as receiving sexist abuse online - wh…
/r/MensRights22/01/21 05:04 PM
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I looked at the quiz too, and it seems a very rudimentary simplification of the topic. They are talking about a very superficial interpretation of sexism, of which women are the primary victims. I'd like to see them do something similar for issues men face, but that's up to us to make our issues known. Not to hate on women or feminists for putting forward their campaigning.
/r/MensRights22/01/21 04:58 PM
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The sexism that we as men experience is more about societal structures and aren't as visible as forms of sexism against women. "Who's the biggest victim" is a matter of opinion in this case, for example you may see men's role as breadwinner as a desirable one, whereas a Menslib will say he's oppressed by that role. In terms of what they are talking about in this infographic, women are a larger victim of this kind of sexism. The sexism men experience is a far more subtle and deep-rooted in "every…
/r/MensRights22/01/21 04:54 PM
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I don't see anything wrong with this. This isn't a "whose the biggest victim" competition. Women have their issues and we have ours. It's not either-or. This even acknowledges that men have issues too, and uses softer language like "most often against woman". If anything, it would have been nice to included some stats and info about some mens issues. But overall, this is fine and I don't know what you're upset about. Edit: also men's issues generally aren't down to sexism, or rather the same kin…
/r/MensRights22/01/21 02:48 PM
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This isn't so much of a literal, teach men not to rape, it's a response to people who ask questions like "What was she wearing" etc. And that women are told not to walk alone at night etc. Societally we used to, and still do to some extent, blame women for their own assaults. "Teach men not to rape" is a hyperbolic answer to that - with the message that the onus to not be raped isn't on the victims.
/r/MensRights22/01/21 12:02 PM
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What's BS about that?
/r/MensRights05/01/21 09:21 AM
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What do you mean what about women? I’m talking about masculinity. And I don’t think men should be held back from being themselves to please a corporation. Men should be allowed to be silly, immature, emotional etc That doesn’t mean being able to do whatever you want
/r/MensRights04/01/21 10:49 PM
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The idea that men’s behaviour has to be controlled to make them employable, and that they’re not allowed to be immature seems pretty regressive to me. I’m an MRA because I want men to break free of these oppressive ideas.
/r/MensRights04/01/21 09:28 PM
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I’m talking about the sort of extreme content that often appears on inceltears. I’ve seen this sort of stuff advocated for back when rincels and rbraincels etc were around. If you haven’t seen this sort of content then bully for you, but I have and that’s what I’m talking about.
/r/MensRights04/01/21 02:46 PM
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This is a scheme for disabled people, and it’s not what incels often suggest. They don’t want a prostitute, they want a virgin they can own like a slave. Prostitution is entirely different from what incels often want.
/r/MensRights04/01/21 01:20 PM
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I know no country does that. It was an example of some of the ridiculous things incels call for.
/r/MensRights04/01/21 09:40 AM
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If you’ve been given a woman by the state, the implication is she has no choice, she’s a slave. And she’s being given to you for the purpose of satisfying you sexually, whether she wants to sleep with you or not; implying rape.
/r/MensRights04/01/21 09:22 AM
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Being sad and horny is one thing. Saying you want women to essentially be slaves with no autonomy for you to rape until you’re happy isn’t a reasonable position and yes it’s deserving of ridicule. I was lonely for a very long time. I never thought that slavery was the answer. That’s what we’re ridiculing here, not this hypothetical incels sadness or desperation.
/r/MensRights03/01/21 10:26 PM
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But the people featured on those subreddits aren't "opening up about their feelings", they're being cunts. "I'm sad and lonely" is a feeling. "I want the government to give me a woman because no woman will sleep with me" (and the rest of what they say) is being a cunt. And yes it's worthy of ridicule.
/r/MensRights03/01/21 08:53 PM
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Are you just imagining scenarios to be offended at?
/r/MensRights03/01/21 12:11 PM
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I just don't see any of this. I am a feminist and I have many friends who are also feminists. I'm also a man. Nobody has every told me there's something wrong with me, nobody has every "shamed" be for being a man, nobody has ever blamed for an injustice out of my control. The only thing that's ever been asked of me is to consider how my place in society, as a man, affects my life, opportunities, outcomes, etc etc etc. And doing that also happened to lead me to become a mens rights activist. I th…
/r/MensRights28/12/20 10:47 PM
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Personally I think Toxic Masculinity is useful. But I'd be open to using something else. Most of the "MRAs" I talk to on here aren't proposing a better term for it, they're crying "stop blaming men" and shutting down the conversation of it. Fundamentally misunderstanding what it means. That sounds like an example of internalised male disposability. Which I would say is a subset of toxic masculinity - or rather an effect of it. We can argue over terminology or we can try and solve the actual prob…
/r/MensRights22/12/20 09:37 PM
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I don't think it has. I think MRAs have become hostile to it because feminism = the ultimate evil, for some reason. It's an issue that is at the heart of a lot of MRA activism, like the suicide rate. Men feeling they are unable to seek help because it's not manly, because they worried about what other people will say, because they're pressured into being stoic, etc. That is all toxic masculinity - or rather the effects of it. At the end of the day it's just the societal idea of what a "real man"…
/r/MensRights22/12/20 05:22 PM
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It was created by the Mythopoetic Men’s Movement, which was a precursor to the men’s right movements. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toxic_masculinity
/r/MensRights22/12/20 08:21 AM
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Incredibly wrong. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toxic_masculinity It was created by the Mythopoetic Men’s Movement, which was a precursor to the men’s rights movement.
/r/MensRights22/12/20 08:20 AM
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Why is this tagged feminism? Toxic Masculinity is an MRA idea.
/r/MensRights21/12/20 09:19 PM
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I don’t deny that there are societal issues that affect men. But there are also societal issues that affect women. This happens to be an issue that affects women, and no matter how hard you try men are not the victims here. But now you’re just talking incel at me and I think this conversation is over. I’m gay, I’m not a feminist (nor an MRA for that matter) to get laid. Some of us actually care about the issues at hand and don’t just hate women.
/r/MensRights08/12/20 10:44 AM
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In this is example it clearly doesn’t go in the wrong direction. I’ve provided a source to back it up. Our society considers women less intelligent, so much so it affects their careers. Men are not the victim of the social inequality, it quite obviously works in their favour. The my obviously aren’t the victims in this situation. Mansplaining is a symptom of that social inequality. And I’m a man, I’m not wallowing in victim hood. If was I would be trying to somehow paint men as the victims of th…
/r/MensRights08/12/20 09:54 AM
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Condescension + societal inequality. Societal inequality that there's plenty of evidence to support. Men are not the victim on this occasion. The belligerence with which MRAs have to consider women the baddies and men the victims in every situation is without any sort of nuance. Honestly give the rest of us a bad name.
/r/MensRights07/12/20 11:59 PM
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Mansplaining is a symptom of the societal phenomenon of women being considered less intelligent than men. Objecting to being spoken in a condescending way based on that bias, is not "a malicious attack on men". Get real. So much MRA crap is just trying hardest to be victim in every situation.
/r/MensRights07/12/20 11:12 PM
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And?
/r/MensRights07/12/20 09:55 PM
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Lol you think the guy who signed off with "OMFG. Idiot bitch. Yes, she was black." was just a nice guy trying to explain something. I'm sure he was perfectly polite. For instance, I don't magically have more social power than Michael Jordan, Kamala Harris, or Kim Kardashian just because I'm a white male, Maybe not those public figures, but you do have privilege because of your skin colour. Or rather, you have the absence of discrimination because of your skin colour. For example black people are…
/r/MensRights07/12/20 05:27 PM
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I mean I've explained pretty clearly the rationale behind mansplaining. Tell me where my logic falls down but don't just claim it doesn't exist after umpteen comments in this chain. Gender inequalities aren't specifically men's fault. But yes, everyone is responsible for their own behaviour. Not sure why that's controversial.
/r/MensRights07/12/20 05:13 PM
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No it isn't. Actual MRAs care about issues that uniquely affect men. This isn't a place to bash men for being feminine or not ascribing to your personal idea of masculinity: because that is toxic masculinity. Grow up. And mens rights is not a counter to feminism either, both can coexist.
/r/MensRights07/12/20 04:13 PM
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Or someone who's on this sub because he cares about men's issues.
/r/MensRights07/12/20 04:04 PM
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We support his right to feminise himself. And gtfo with this toxic masculinity.
/r/MensRights07/12/20 03:55 PM
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Right so context matters. This is why we say things like "reverse racism" isn't really a thing. You can be racist against white people but the context of their relative privilege in society makes it morally different. In this case the context of women being believed to be stupid to such an extent as that it affects their job prospects, mansplaining is something we should be wary of and try to avoid. And sure, go do a study and see if you can find evidence of "femsplaining". How about we stop hol…
/r/MensRights07/12/20 03:11 PM
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No you can't expect the same gaoltime. If the one legged person fell and broke a bone, you would get a longer sentence than if you just push a man with two legs - who doesn't fall over because he has two legs. Harm done is a big part of the law. They are morally different. If you still don't agree, consider pushing someone in the middle of a field, and pushing someone who's standing near a cliff. Are they morally the same? You're also in danger of using the "just some bad apples" argument. This …
/r/MensRights07/12/20 02:33 PM
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Wow look at those goalposts move. Women have historically been excluded from education, and I argue that the educational inequality that that created persists in our attitudes of society believing men are smarter. https://psycnet.apa.org/doiLanding?doi=10.1037%2Famp0000427 The "degree of difference" is the social inequality of women being believed to be less intelligent. Thus talking to them like they are stupid (mansplaining) is morally not equivalent as talking to a man as if he is stupid - th…
/r/MensRights07/12/20 01:58 PM
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The whole MRA movement is about the societal inequalities men face, by definition women must also be unequal. So are you not an MRA? Or did you just not notice the logical inconsistency? Am I also supposed to believe you don't know gender inequality exists? But i'll humour you: https://edition.cnn.com/2020/05/20/us/fortune-500-women-ceos-trnd/index.html#:~:text=(CNN)%20The%20number%20of%20women,up%20from%2024%20from%202018%20The%20number%20of%20women,up%20from%2024%20from%202018). https://www.un…
/r/MensRights07/12/20 12:30 PM
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Shoving someone is equally bad whether they have one legs or two. Explain this to me, because I think it's pretty clear the potential harm caused to the victim is substantially different between the two. The one legged man if far more likely to fall over, which means you are causing more harm to him than you are the two legged man. If you are causing him more harm, how can they be morally equivalent? Mansplaining is also about tone of voice. Neither of us can say whether he was mansplaining to h…
/r/MensRights07/12/20 12:22 PM
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You need to understand that the same action can very different consequences based on who it is being performed on. Shoving a one-legged man with one leg is not the same as shoving a man with two legs. This is what we mean when we talk about power dynamics in racism and sexism. Racial minorities and women are not societally equal to white people or men, thus some actions performed on them are morally different. Mansplaining is the phenomenon of a man talking down or being condescending to a woman…
/r/MensRights07/12/20 08:34 AM
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it doesn't
/r/MensRights26/11/20 09:56 AM
7

Are you new to the internet?
/r/PussyPassDenied22/11/20 10:22 PM
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You’re just gish galloping me now without addressing what said and then casting aspersions about my character and motivations. This conversation is over, I’m not interested in talking to someone who behaves like this. There are plenty of other people I can talk to and have far more interesting and constructive conversations on this topic. Have a wonderful day.
/r/MensRights18/11/20 10:54 PM
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Feminism is just a framework through which we can understand certain issues or phenomena. The idea of the patriarchy, that in our society men have power over and responsibility for women. What it can offer us is a diagnosis. Why don't men get equal custody of their children? Because under a patriarchal structure men are expected to provide and care for women by going out to work, while women are expected to be housewives. That's a feminist interpretation, anyway. In fact modern interpretations o…
/r/MensRights18/11/20 10:14 PM
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Feminism's historical roots is in women's liberation from patriarchal structures. From being second class citizens. It stands to reason that early feminists did see men as the enemy and their language reflected that. Early feminism was a *protest* and it's naïve to use hyperbole from +100 years ago to write off a large and diverse school of thought. Feminism, in its most simple form, can in essence be boiled down to the ways in which gender affects lives. That is why it is so widely applicable. …
/r/MensRights18/11/20 10:01 PM
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I didn't actually say that feminism "does" anything for men's rights. Merely that they aren't incompatible. But interestingly feminism has given us many ideas that we can use to to apply to mens rights activism. For example, the idea of patriarchal structures can be used to understand why breadwinning has historically been our role in the family, and the idea that men need to protect "their" women. This is reflected in a lot of MRA issues from men doing a disproportionate amount of dangerous job…
/r/MensRights18/11/20 08:51 PM
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It really isn’t and this false dichotomy really has to stop. There’s no reason you cannot support women with their issues and men with theirs.
/r/MensRights18/11/20 08:30 PM
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Errr yes. I support women and the unique issues that affect them, so consider myself a feminist. I support women and the unique issues that affect them, so consider myself a men's rights activist. These two aren't incompatible.
/r/MensRights18/11/20 07:13 PM
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This post is so telling. OP is going to “see how people react to it” rather than using the occasion to draw attention to men’s issues. Presumably he’ll be looking for LiBtArDs who take issue with it so can manufacture some outrage. This is why nobody takes this movement seriously. Some of us care about the issues, others just want to trigger the libs.
/r/MensRights18/11/20 01:58 PM
1

I think we'll have to agree to disagree, because I have said everything I have to say on the matter and we'll be going round in circles. I will just reiterate that I think the register will become less effective at protecting people from actual sexual violence if it gets watered down by adding false accusers. And yes I would be cautious about having my children in the same neighborhood as them, because someone like that can’t be trusted with sexual matters. This implies that you consider them a …
/r/MensRights02/10/20 11:52 AM
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False accusers do constitute a danger, however not a sexual one. The sex offenders register is there to inform the community and keep people safe from sex offenders, not to protect them from false accusers nor punish the people on the list. Thieves are also a danger to the public, yet they aren't required to go on the sex offenders register. I agree there should be consequences, but going on the sex offenders register isn't it. Imagine if someone came to your door saying they've just moved in ne…
/r/MensRights02/10/20 11:08 AM
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Not at all. The sex offenders register is there to protect the public, making the public aware of who may be a danger to them and their children. False accusers do not pose a risk of sexually assaulting anyone. Therefore this degraded the efficacy of the register. This is just bloodlust.
/r/MensRights02/10/20 08:34 AM
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I hope the evidence against her was very strong. I’m all for repercussions for people who abuse the courts in this way. However it needs to be carefully done such that people aren’t gaoled for legitimately speaking out, or too afraid of not having enough evidence to speak out. 8 months is probably a bit too long tbh. The ruling of the court is what’s important in this case, not the punishment.
/r/MensRights01/10/20 04:25 PM
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it’s hard to look past how trash most women are nowadays I haven’t been able to swing a date in a while I’m sure you can answer your own question if you think hard enough about these two statements you made.
/r/askTRP25/09/20 03:10 PM
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I don't think it's that hard to distinguish. If men are being pressured into conforming to some idea of masculinity that is detrimental to their own wellbeing, that's toxic masculinity. I'm not sure how that could be mistaken for something else. But sure, there are many other things and expectations and pressures that men face, not all of them related to societies ideas of masculinity.
/r/MensRights24/09/20 10:12 PM
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I don't understand what you're saying. Because society is hypocritical that means toxic masculinity isn't real or a problem?
/r/MensRights24/09/20 10:01 PM
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Men are the victims of toxic masculinity. They can also be the perpetrators. The problems you outline are why we are here. Why we are MRAs. But pretending that toxic masculinity isn't real and isn't a problem for us is not the way to go about this.
/r/MensRights24/09/20 09:42 PM
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This is exactly what toxic masculinity is. It's amazing how many people in this sub don't understand it. Society has ideas about what a "real man" should be. When society pressures a man to conform to those expectations of masculinity to the detriment of that mans wellbeing, that idea of masculinity is toxic. Notice I say that this is something "society" is guilty of. It can be perpetuated by men or women or anyone in between. For example, when a woman shames a man for showing emotions or wantin…
/r/MensRights24/09/20 09:30 PM
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Also Society: Haha! Men having feelings and being oppressed! What a joke! Stop being a virgin incel, I bet you have a small dick! Haha! This is literally what toxic masculinity is
/r/MensRights24/09/20 09:16 PM
1

Wow great argument
/r/MensRights21/09/20 08:30 AM
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As much as I don’t think it’s a matter of who suffers the most, there’s definitely a majority here that cares less about men’s issues and more about being anti-woman. r/menslib is a much more constructive place that focusses in men’s issues without tearing down women.
/r/MensRights20/09/20 06:56 PM
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These lot cannot comprehend that someone might care about social issues that don’t affect them personally. Just shows what kind of person they are. I get accused of being a feminist to get laid, when I’m gay as hell. No mate it’s called having compassion for your fellow man.
/r/MensRights20/09/20 06:37 PM
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What’s a male “radical feminist”? Aren’t they just TERFs?
/r/MensRights20/09/20 06:34 PM
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Ye fine, call it whatever you want. But I don’t believe the people who are up in arms about the term actually care about men’s issues. I think they’re trying to win the oppression olympics whilst painting everyone who uses the term toxic masculinity as the man-hating enemy. And the truth is for all the people who want to change the term, none of them have made any attempt to do so. I understand what you’re saying about getting people on board, but it’s an attitude problem imo, not a legitimate c…
/r/MensRights14/09/20 10:41 PM
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Yes that is still toxic masculinity, it can be perpetuated by men or women. It’s the definition of toxic masculinity. Those women have an idea of masculinity in their heads and they applied social pressure on you because you did not conform to it. That is toxic masculinity: The idea that someone has that “real men” behave a certain way and the application of pressure to conform to it. We both agree it exists, so why flip out because you choose to interpret the terminology in a strange way that i…
/r/MensRights14/09/20 04:22 PM
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Only if men choose it to be damaged by it. You can choose to be triggered by it, or you can understand that it’s a real thing that we have an adequate name for, and do something about it. I’m more offended by the fact that men don’t seek mental or physical health care because they think they have to be “strong”. I couldn’t give a toss if we called it “shitcunt essence of man”, the fact that men are dying because of it is far more pressing. But most people in this debate don’t actually care or un…
/r/MensRights14/09/20 03:02 PM
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Assumptions? You just told me you “stopped caring”, which implies you cared at some point. You jumped on my comment, don’t know why you’re telling me to go away.
/r/MensRights14/09/20 02:14 PM
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“Chocolate ice cream” doesn’t imply all ice cream is chocolate flavour. That is the plan reading of the phrase. your definition is convoluted, and probably not even grammatically correct. And it’s being used to describe the same thing it was when it was first coined. The difference is people are now just trying to play who is the biggest victim, rather than doing something about men’s issues. People on this sub are more offended by the term than the damage it does to us men. It’s pathetic.
/r/MensRights14/09/20 11:30 AM
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I don't think it's convoluted at all, and I've seldom seen it used the way you lot seem to think it's most commonly used. Qualifier + noun isn't a very complicated sentence structure. MRAs who misunderstand it seem like they’re trying to be the victims. Which they are, they’re victims of toxic masculinity, not the terminology. Toxic masculinity isn't even a feminist idea, it was coined by the inventor of the mythopoetic mens movement, a precursor to the MRA movement.
/r/MensRights14/09/20 10:17 AM
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Because it’s still an idea of masculinity that’s being perpetuated. Toxic masculinity is often perpetuated by women. They have an idea about what masculinity should be and they pressure men to live up to it. It’s still toxic masculinity because it is masculinity that’s being perverted here. It doesn’t mean “it’s all men’s fault” just because it has masculine in the title. It’s toxic ideas about masculinity that are the problem.
/r/MensRights14/09/20 08:57 AM
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At least you cared at some point, I never cared about yours.
/r/MensRights14/09/20 08:50 AM
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Did you think this was a smart response?
/r/MensRights13/09/20 08:49 PM
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So why use a term that implicates it as a whole? It doesn't. "Toxic" is a qualifier. The term "chocolate ice cream" doesn't imply all ice cream is chocolate flavour. Harmful gender roles are a wider category which includes toxic masculinity. It has everything to do with masculinity and male identity; it's literally how men feel they need to perform masculinity to conform to what society expects of them, to the detriment of themselves.
/r/MensRights13/09/20 05:37 PM
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For example when men are shamed (by men and women) into not sharing their emotions. The idea that “real” men hide their feelings and don’t seek help is an idea of masculinity that is, for want of a better word, toxic.
/r/MensRights13/09/20 02:47 PM
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Call it something else if you insist on being offended by terminology, but it’s a real thing. All the time we’re crying about which words to use we’re not solving men’s issues.
/r/MensRights13/09/20 02:23 PM
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Not in my experience. Feminists I speak to are usually very empathetic and understanding when I broach the subject of men’s issues. If this is the reaction you’re getting, I imagine the problem is how you are presenting yourself.
/r/MensRights13/09/20 11:02 AM
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I sort of agree with Green. Us MRAs should be putting forward our own movement, not using it in opposition to women’s issues. If the only time you talk about men’s issues is when women want to talk about their issues, you don’t actually care about men’s issues.
/r/MensRights11/09/20 01:04 PM
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So pretty much what he said. You don’t care about men’s issues at all. Good to know.
/r/MensRights23/08/20 06:45 PM
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Err National Socialism had everything to do with getting rid of Jews. But I stand by what I said. Disagreeing with a feminist lobby on a point that's not really to do with feminism isn't the same as feminism being the problem. Academically, feminism is on your side. The gender roles of women as homemakers and mothers is something they've been seeking liberation from (or rather the choice to liberate themselves from) since the 60s. But I see you point and that these organisations are standing in …
/r/MensRights06/08/20 04:59 PM
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Do you have any evidence for this assertion? Just personal experience. But generally "Look at what this dumb feminist has said", a common format in this sub, isn't doing anything to help Men's Issues. And thanks for this that was some interesting reading. I will say that these organisations aren't opposing the presumption of 50:50 joint custody on feminist grounds, however. I can see exactly what you're saying, the current family court system massively benefits women in custody battles, and a pr…
/r/MensRights06/08/20 03:58 PM
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I agree it's important to ask "what about men", but only if you actually care. I think many people who call themselves MRAs don't actually care. They aren't pro-men's rights, they're just anti-women's rights (or feminism). Whether the Twitter user picked on by Nathalie is just an anti-feminist keyboard warrior or not we'll never know. However I don't think it was unfair of her to make this jibe as these people certainly exist. And I agree with you: to her left leaning audience that sort of behav…
/r/MensRights06/08/20 01:16 PM
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I've only just got round to watching this video you've linked and I don't think it's very good at all. She's criticising Nathalie for things that are clearly jokes or skits, interpreting them literally and just strawmans her. And seems to have more problem with Nathalie's presentation than anything else. The opening for example is all just supposed to be lighthearted joshing to get into the video. The latter parts are where she actually gets into the ideas. Karen spends the first 17+ minutes of …
/r/MensRights06/08/20 10:55 AM
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As she says in the video, the very idea of a Mens Rights movement is considered taboo on the Left. Looking back, I never engaged with men's issues because the loudest voices i saw were always just women haters, even though I knew there were many issues that uniquely affect men. This video dramatically changed my opinion on the subject, and made me read further into the mens rights movement. I now consider myself an MRA. I also think feminism is very useful to us MRAs to understand and solve men'…
/r/MensRights06/08/20 09:55 AM
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If you say so, but everyone who's actually taken the time to watch it can see your characterisation of it is, to use your words, bullshit. This video is what got me in to Mens Rights in the first place when it first came out.
/r/MensRights05/08/20 02:11 PM
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You've very obviously not watched the video.
/r/MensRights05/08/20 02:04 PM
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She literally spends the whole video sympathising with the Men’s Rights movement and explaining why. She even explicitly says at the end that a men’s movement is what we need. You’ve clearly not seen this before. Also this is the video that got me into the MRM to begin with.
/r/MensRights05/08/20 11:54 AM
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Great, balanced, and funny video on Men's Rights from leftist youtuber Contrapoints Also the video that got me into the MRM
/r/MensRights05/08/20 10:53 AM
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“Patriarchy” doesn’t mean “men’s fault”.
/r/MensRights30/07/20 05:27 PM
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This is a strawman. The gender pay gap isn’t about men and women doing different jobs and getting paid more. The gender pay gap is about women being paid less for the same work as a man. Edit: Note I am not passing judgement on whether the gender pay gap exists or not
/r/MensRights30/07/20 08:58 AM
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That's excellent. Thank you for your activism
/r/MensRights26/07/20 07:18 PM
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Okay it's clear there's no getting through to you. You either not reading what I'm saying, lying, or are incapable of understanding. And again, your main point of contention is that I'm not just blaming women and I am somehow treating women differently to men: when I've literally said from square one that they are just as responsible. If I had said women are to blame for all of this, you'd probably have upvoted me and moved on. I wish I could say thanks for the conversation but you're clearly en…
/r/MensRights26/07/20 12:58 PM
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Sleep well
/r/MensRights26/07/20 12:28 PM
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I'd correct that by saying some tools, otherwise the problems would have been solved already. I think a big part of this is because most people who call themselves MRAs go mental when you mention the term toxic masculinity. The tools are there, MRAs just haven't picked them up. And I'm not saying feminism "owns" men's issues - whatever that means. I'm saying that feminists have spent a long time studying and theorising about gender and society, and we'd be retreading old ground if we choose to i…
/r/MensRights26/07/20 12:22 PM
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Are you joking? Why aren't I talking about about toxic femininity? Maybe because we're men talking about men's rights in a sub about men's rights and issues that affect men. OP post is in particular talking about the idea that men are shamed for showing emotion. What the fuck does that have to do with femininity? This is so characteristic of this sub. You don't care about men's issues, you're just unhappy I'm not anti-woman.
/r/MensRights26/07/20 12:16 PM
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I haven't exempted women once. From the word go I have said both men and women are responsible for perpetuating toxic ideas of masculinity. I am no saying that women behaving badly is masculine behaviour. Toxic masculinity is an idea that can be perpetuated by anyone. When a woman shames a man for showing emotion, I'm not saying the act of shaming is toxic masculinity, I'm saying it perpetuates toxic masculinity. I'm not characterising her behaviour as masculine. I'm characterising the idea she …
/r/MensRights26/07/20 11:47 AM
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I think you're just trolling me now. I've said women are responsible for this too several times now.
/r/MensRights26/07/20 11:31 AM
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It's important because many people in this sub think feminism is the enemy. Well in actual fact, they've given us the tools we need to understand and solve men's issues, like toxic masculinity. Us MRAs can come up with our own name for it, but we'd be using a different term to describe exactly the same thing. It would be obfuscation and a distraction from the real issues. So my insistence on the use of the term is that. And I also think it's completely inoffensive as a term.
/r/MensRights26/07/20 11:28 AM
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Im doing nothing of the sort and I appreciate it if you wouldn't straw man me. I don't need the patriarchy to explain toxic masculinity. Im not blaming men at all. I've said repeatedly men and women are guilty of perpetuating toxic masculinity. It's something we've built as a colletive. When a man shames another man for showing emotion, that's toxic masculinity. When a woman shames a man for showing emotion, that's toxic masculinity. Both cases are ideas of masculinity being expressed in a way t…
/r/MensRights26/07/20 11:24 AM
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Again, deflection.
/r/MensRights25/07/20 10:43 PM
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It’s a whole other conversation, but yes I do. Although probably not as you understand it. Most people in this sub don’t know what academic feminism means by the terms patriarchy and toxic masculinity etc.
/r/MensRights25/07/20 10:33 PM
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You’re describing toxic masculinity. You just won’t use the term.
/r/MensRights25/07/20 10:31 PM
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I don’t know what your point is here. Women are just as guilty as men in perpetuating toxic ideals of masculinity
/r/MensRights25/07/20 10:28 PM
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Yeah I didn’t answer your question on patriarchy because it’s a deflection. And no, it’s isn’t a conspiracy theory to suggest that people’s idea of masculinity contributes to stopping men from seeking help with their mental health. That’s such an incontrovertible statement I can’t believe even you think it’s a conspiracy theory.
/r/MensRights25/07/20 07:19 PM
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What are you deflecting for? Tell me what the conspiracy theory is, please.
/r/MensRights25/07/20 07:14 PM
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What’s the conspiracy exactly?
/r/MensRights25/07/20 07:11 PM
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If you like. I’m more offended by the male suicide rate than I am the term “toxic masculinity” though. Specifically in this case, the Twitter poster is calling out people who push ideas of masculinity that prohibit men from seeking help with their mental health. Toxic masculinity seems an apposite descriptor for that.
/r/MensRights25/07/20 07:11 PM
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I have no idea what you’re trying to say
/r/MensRights25/07/20 07:05 PM
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I Didn’t say it was a root cause. People who shame men for showing vulnerability or emotion contribute to a system that stops men from seeking the help they need. Their idea of masculinity means that men shouldn’t seek help for mental health that contributes to their suicide, I.e. it’s toxic. As a real MRA, not some anti-woman incel like most on this sub, it’s important recognise that feminism isn’t the enemy, and the ideas they’ve given us can help us understand and solve mens issues. Toxic mas…
/r/MensRights25/07/20 07:04 PM
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It’s a thing we as a society have created. It can be perpetuated by both men and women. OPs post is a classic example.
/r/MensRights25/07/20 05:54 PM
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The twitter poster is talking about toxic masculinity. MRAs need to realise that toxic masculinity is at the heart of many of our issues. Being a snowflake about terminology does not solve issues such as male suicide.
/r/MensRights25/07/20 05:44 PM
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I don’t blame men for toxic masculinity at all. As I clearly said women are guilty of perpetuating it too. I’d appreciate it if you wouldn’t straw man me. If you want to call it something else, then come up with your own name for it.
/r/MensRights23/07/20 02:40 PM
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I am an MRA. A real one who actually cares about the issues that affect men. Not an hysterical anti-woman snowflake.
/r/MensRights23/07/20 02:36 PM
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Sounds like you’ve never read any academic feminism and think idiots on twitter are representative of the movement.
/r/MensRights23/07/20 02:25 PM
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Generally the person who invents/discovers something gets to name it... don’t see why that’s controversial. And yes it’s a clunky name that leads many people who don’t understand it to be offended by it. But it is real and it is necessary to address if we are going to solve men’s issues. We don’t solve the men’s suicide rate by being snowflakes about terminology.
/r/MensRights23/07/20 02:24 PM
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As I’ve explained, toxic masculinity doesn’t mean men are toxic. Both men and women are guilty of perpetuating it and both can be victims of it.
/r/MensRights23/07/20 02:21 PM
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There’s a reason I said feminism and not feminists. There are many who are hostile to the notion of a men’s lib movement because they assume they all have your opinion; that it would be anti-woman movement. Gender affects us all in positive and negative ways, there’s no reason why men and women can’t work on our issues together.
/r/MensRights23/07/20 02:20 PM
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You clearly are very offended. I'm more offended by the way men who desperate need help with mental health are told by society that they shouldn't seek nor be given it, and end up killing themselves. That's offensive to me. Calling that effect toxic masculinity doesn't bother me, it's adequately descriptive of the problem and serves it's purpose. I don't disregard useful ideas because I'm offended by the terminology. Obviously your main concern isn't men's issues at all, it's proving to yourself…
/r/MensRights23/07/20 02:07 PM
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They came up with the idea, they got to name it. It's a clunky name which is in part why it's so misunderstood. Call it something else if you want. But if you're more offended by the name than the massively detrimental effects it has on men (most poignantly the suicide rate) then I think you need to reevaluate your priorities.
/r/MensRights23/07/20 01:43 PM
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This is two sides of the same coin. The two perspectives go hand in hand
/r/MensRights23/07/20 01:24 PM
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In raising men's issues it can become anit-feminist. This is completely unnecessary though. There's no reason feminism and MRA can't co-exist in the same space, and even work together. My views as an MRA are almost entirely informed by feminism and feminist ideas. Ideas like the patriarchy and toxic masculinity are feminist ideas that directly carry over into men's issues, such as this thread. And unfortunately for many in this sub, feminists does equal woman. They say they're bashing feminism w…
/r/MensRights23/07/20 01:22 PM
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I think you might be right. It's a shame because those of us who actually care about men's issues are apparently the minority. The majority just seem to want to bash women in the guise of a social movement.
/r/MensRights23/07/20 12:39 PM
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I agree but I wouldn't suggest that toxic masculinity is primarily perpetuated by men. In some respects I think it is, such as homophobia I think is mainly pushed by other men. However when it comes to ideas like a "good man" is one who can afford to buy his wife everything she wants is predominantly pushed by women. And ideas like "men shouldn't cry"/"man up" are pushed equally by men and women. I think toxic masculinity is something we've built together.
/r/MensRights23/07/20 12:07 PM
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100% agree. I have trouble showing emotions, because I was told stuff like boys don't cry etc, which is toxic masculinity Suffer from this too. Have been trying to start therapy for a while, but I'm paralysed by thoughts of "I'm being silly", "I should just man up" etc. Edit: the fact that this comment is being downvoted is proof of what I’m saying.
/r/MensRights23/07/20 11:46 AM
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I will be downvoted to oblivion for this. But this is an example of toxic masculinity at the expense of the OP. Toxic masculinity is a commonly misunderstood term, many see it as an attack on men. However it’s nothing of the sort, it's actually a very useful term to describe phenomena like this. It can be perpetuated by both men and women, and men are often the biggest victims of it. The people he reported his assault to had an idea of masculinity in their heads, that men can't be assaulted, tha…
/r/MensRights23/07/20 10:42 AM
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This is a great take that I didn’t think many people on this sub had
/r/MensRights10/07/20 01:58 PM
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I don't think this is a large part of feminism at all, but language is certainly a way through which we can study the effects of patriarchal structures (and others). The words "mothering" and "fathering" having very different connotations for example. I agree the term "toxic masculinity" is poorly named and leads many people to (wrongly) see it as an attack on men, when men suffer the most from it. And many of these feminist concepts have the potential to help men dramatically. There's a sweet s…
/r/MensRights10/07/20 01:49 PM
1

This is a take that needs waaaay more explanation my friend
/r/MensRights10/07/20 01:18 PM
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I could definitely make the case for their fat comments being reflections of beauty standards dictated by what these women *think* men want. But you're right in that it would be a bit derivative. My comment was more general, about how many in this sub seem to see patriarchy, misogyny and toxic masculinity as "blaming men", when in fact it's nothing of the sort.
/r/MensRights09/07/20 11:21 PM
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It does if their behaviour enforces the social construct that is the patriarchy. For example, when a woman dumps a man for not making enough money, nor being able to buy her things etc. That's a woman being shitty, but it perpetuates the patriarchal idea that men have to be providers, and good men can provide more for their wives. As MRAs, the patriarchy should bother you as much as it does feminists.
/r/MensRights09/07/20 11:07 PM
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Seems to be a lot of misconceptions in this sub. Patriarchy and toxic masculinity don't mean "men's fault". Women can be just as guilty of perpetuating these constructs and men also suffer at the pervasiveness of them. For example, male disposability, one of the founding ideas of the MRA movement, is a symptom of our societies patriarchal structure and toxic masulinity.
/r/MensRights09/07/20 10:43 PM
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Neither patriarchy nor toxic masculinity mean "mens fault". This seems a common misconception with a lot of people on this sub. Women can be just as guilty as men at perpetuating these constructs and men suffer as well as women from their prevalency. The reason men have to be the head of the household, for example, or that they shouldn't show emotion or cry or seek help for mental health problems... women perpetuate those ideas as much as men do.
/r/MensRights09/07/20 10:33 PM
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Wow so judging from the comments on this thread, this sub is an Alt-Right, Trump-bootlicking cesspool? To those who also don’t understand intentions behind actions: punch me because I pushed passed you can call led you a cunt, fine. Attack me unprovoked and call me a faggot? Not fine. Y’all are autistic as fuck to not understand why the racial slur got the reaction it did. To attack someone for something they’ve done isn’t comparable to attacking someone for what they fundamentally are. Unsubscr…
/r/PussyPassDenied27/12/18 10:24 PM
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/r/MensRights30/09/18 09:55 PM
2

Exactly. How am I supposed to compete with stereotypes like that?
/r/MensRights05/09/18 07:53 AM
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As a male investment banker, dating is practically impossible. I haven’t the time, the energy or the brain capacity to do 60+ hours a week and look for “the one”. Doesn’t help that people assume I’m a wanker when I tell them what I do either.
/r/MensRights04/09/18 09:16 PM
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Except the MSM are the ones reporting this mistake? Who do you think are “calling them out?”
/r/MensRights22/06/18 06:37 PM
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