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resourcejanearcade/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/02/22 02:10 AM
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Women wait to have kids at their own detriment. Eh, women can have other goals than motherhood. Yes, it gets harder for women to conceive as they age, but I also would never put pressure on a woman to have kids she isn't ready for just because she's young.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 12:13 AM
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Right, and my kids schools have more men the older they get. I like having male teachers for kids and wish we had more of them, the same for more women University professors, but for some reason higher education has more men, and elementary education has more women.
/r/MensRights03/04/25 12:12 AM
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Over 80% of all teachers are female. I'm not in the UK, but I suspecrt it's similar. Where I am, full University professor division is 70% men/ 30% woman. Should we be addressing this as an issue?
/r/MensRights02/04/25 08:47 PM
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I disagree you need a women very youn g is order to have children with her. I work alongside with maternity (I'm a Social Worker) and have had many new mothers be in their 40s especially as many women want to wait to have kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/25 07:03 PM
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If a couple decide to have a person not work outside of the home to raise children, it seems fine.
/r/MensRights05/03/25 10:45 PM
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Why abolish alimony?
/r/MensRights04/03/25 07:56 PM
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Why was there ever discrepency?
/r/MensRights03/03/25 02:17 PM
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Yeah, that would cross my line as well, but some harmless banter with someb oundaries for me is fine.
/r/Divorce_Men01/03/25 02:02 AM
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Of course there can be!
/r/Divorce_Men01/03/25 02:02 AM
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flirting with him, even after I had forbidden it. Are you against flirting if it's harmless?
/r/Divorce_Men27/02/25 10:12 PM
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Why?
/r/MensRights22/02/25 04:28 PM
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How long to you reackon?
/r/MensRights20/02/25 08:04 PM
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Are you also against men recieving support?
/r/MensRights20/02/25 04:39 PM
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Be Yourself Who else would you be?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/25 07:26 PM
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Why? If the "father" isn't the father, shouldn't the real father be notified?
/r/MensRights19/02/25 06:35 PM
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If it meets your ideal, would you support it? If it meant oaternity fraud was over?
/r/MensRights19/02/25 06:35 PM
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Okay, so your position is that kids should not know their biological parent/medical history?
/r/MensRights19/02/25 06:34 PM
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So a child knowing their medical history is irrelevant?
/r/MensRights19/02/25 06:33 PM
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Sure, certainly. If the safeguards are in place would you support this?
/r/MensRights19/02/25 06:25 PM
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So you position is biological fathers should have the option to walk away?
/r/MensRights19/02/25 06:25 PM
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That doesn't answer the question. Should men have a sample on file so that paternity is unquestionable?
/r/MensRights19/02/25 06:24 PM
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Why don't we? If the top answers are a child deserves to know their parents for medical information? Many ken here want mandatory paternal testing.
/r/MensRights19/02/25 06:18 PM
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Agreed, but if that means a child knows their parents?
/r/MensRights19/02/25 06:17 PM
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So would you support a DNA registry? Then no man, or woman, raises a child not theirs.
/r/MensRights19/02/25 06:17 PM
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Men should not have to raise children who aren't theirs Wouldn't a registry avoid this? Plus not letting bio dads walkaway?
/r/MensRights19/02/25 06:02 PM
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Many people at cheating sites believe emotional affairs, especially long term, are more hurtful than a ONS.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/25 11:14 PM
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Unlike CNNs' "Paid to sleep with a minor."
/r/MensRights31/12/24 01:59 AM
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I believe men value money more, but not without reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/24 03:48 PM
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Absolutely no judgement, but just curious given this sub and the way it leans, did you intend on having kids before marriage?
/r/RedPillWomen22/08/24 02:49 AM
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It need not be any of those things in fairness. Don't get married if it's not for you, that's totally fair, but those factors aren't important.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/24 10:00 PM
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Someone just posted that men swipe right on every single woman they see. So I'mnot sure this is a benefit?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/24 10:56 PM
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Isn't that a non gendered thing though?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 08:20 PM
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You can, but as adults they aren't aware?
/r/Divorce_Men17/06/24 11:59 PM
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Isn't that because men swip right on every girl to increase odds?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/24 05:28 AM
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said yes to everything, What does that mean? It doesn't sound like an attractive strategy, but maybe I'm misunderstanding.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/24 05:23 PM
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If you are 50/50 why are paying any CS?
/r/Divorce_Men26/03/24 08:20 PM
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What supports will he need to work when done college and why can't he access them now?
/r/Divorce_Men22/03/24 10:43 PM
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I'm not OP, but I feel they mean better in action, not looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/24 03:35 AM
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What if you feel in love? :)
/r/Divorce_Men04/03/24 10:15 PM
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Would you date someone casually? Like the right woman?
/r/Divorce_Men04/03/24 09:10 PM
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I understand how accountability inspires anger in some. Got this this!
/r/MensRights17/02/24 03:38 AM
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No, child support is done by government calculator.
/r/Divorce_Men17/02/24 03:04 AM
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Out of curiousity where do you live where 50/50 still requires child support? Here as long as it's at least 60/40 no one pays support
/r/Divorce_Men17/02/24 03:03 AM
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Right, so good on you you for recognizing your role.
/r/MensRights16/02/24 03:38 PM
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No, but it's never 100% one person in a relationship. You shouldn't work on it if you don't want to, but you should understand your role.
/r/MensRights16/02/24 02:44 PM
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The thing is that reltionships are always mutisides, so if you saw someone placed 100% of everything on your wife, it's not different than a 2X post saying 100% is the man. Best therapists see it all.
/r/MensRights16/02/24 06:02 AM
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EXACTLY!
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/24 02:10 PM
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We might have two different talking points: "Tried someomething a couple times in the past and didn't like it" is different than "enthusiastically loved something everyday for years and now hate it with you" It could also be talent?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/24 02:10 PM
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"She did XYZ with her last boyfriend but won't do it with me." What if she didn't like it? Or what if a guy tried something with a previous lover, should he walys have to do it even if he didn't like it?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 10:26 PM
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Again, I am confused if this if your wife or ex wife? You title uses "ex wife"...are you divorced or married? That makes a big difference.
/r/Divorce_Men07/02/24 04:54 AM
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Were you still fully together when the affair started? That seems different that "found out my ex wife is sleeping with someone."
/r/Divorce_Men06/02/24 04:40 AM
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But do you judge you ex for this?
/r/Divorce_Men04/02/24 06:15 AM
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In Alberta we don't have that, you can file immeditely
/r/Divorce_Men03/02/24 05:27 AM
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For some, this is part of the healing process.
/r/Divorce_Men02/02/24 07:14 PM
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Didn't you post this a couple days ago?
/r/Divorce_Men02/02/24 04:39 PM
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If they are getting love and family why do you consider it "humongous idiotic shit"? Isn'rt that why they are doing it? For love and family?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/24 07:09 PM
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Not OP, but I read it to mean at one time in their life they enjoyed casual sex, and a different time they prefered monogamy.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 12:48 AM
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If your kid wants to be with you more, why don't you hang out more?
/r/Divorce_Men28/01/24 09:22 PM
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Pretty good financial deal you got!
/r/Divorce_Men28/01/24 09:18 PM
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So your kid sleeps almost all nights at moms and took on all debt and you pay no child support? Wow.
/r/Divorce_Men27/01/24 05:33 AM
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There were zero practical applications in this. Again, in a real, applicable way, what does "caring for men" mean in a measureable, actionable way?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/24 03:03 PM
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So do you have to pay child support?
/r/Divorce_Men26/01/24 02:58 PM
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Oh, is that the thing people say when they can't respond?
/r/Divorce_Men26/01/24 05:27 AM
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Not at all. Whyever would you care about what you ex does for money?
/r/Divorce_Men25/01/24 08:54 PM
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I am serious. Why would you care how she earns money?
/r/Divorce_Men25/01/24 08:53 PM
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What does "caring about it" mean though? The only thing I ever read is "we need to make women date or sleep with men they don't want to date or sleep. wth."
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 08:50 PM
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Why does you STBX doing sex work bother you though?
/r/Divorce_Men25/01/24 04:21 PM
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What exactly does "with a spine" mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/24 04:34 PM
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What makes you believe sex is the most important factor?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/24 12:52 AM
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What is a "high effort" date though? Is it thoughtful and connected, or just spending lots of money?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/23 04:45 PM
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Why should he do something fancier?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/23 04:44 PM
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I think this only matters if the one and only goal is sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/23 04:43 PM
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Women are not a monolith any more than men are
/r/MensRights21/11/23 08:23 PM
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As someone who works in child and family services, just make sure the role-modelling they are being shown every day of their life isn't going to teach them how they should be treated when they grow up. This is very common in absuive relationships.
/r/MensRights02/10/23 11:37 PM
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Right. You live somewhere with public healthcare that specifically covers dentist for women only and openly says men are ineligible, yet you can't even link to the government website that states this. I will believe whatever I want.
/r/MensRights09/06/23 06:13 PM
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Dental isn't covered by public healthcare where I live either. I would have to see the statement your government made saying men aren't eligible for public healthcare to believe it.
/r/MensRights09/06/23 04:20 PM
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So a private company that provides insurance for women. Cool.
/r/MensRights09/06/23 03:04 PM
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What does the actual poilicy say?
/r/MensRights09/06/23 02:59 PM
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Women are probably happier after leaving bad marriages.
/r/MensRights31/05/23 06:52 PM
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There's a vaccine for that now in case you're interested.
/r/MensRights29/05/23 07:44 PM
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We don't know, and neither do you. So why did the comment that she's dating 4 men get 27 upvotes, and the one saying she might not be get downvoted, if everyone in this sub agrees they don't know?
/r/MensRights28/05/23 05:05 PM
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Meh. I wouldn't be bothered. If you don't want men to be treated as a monolith, you shouldn't do that to women.
/r/MensRights28/05/23 05:03 PM
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You just said they don't lock all the bathrooms? You've moved from "my school is sexist because there is only an open washroom 24/7 for women" to "It's wrong to lock any bathroom for any reason at anytime."
/r/MensRights27/05/23 10:46 PM
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You would have to show me that the janior refused to let in male syudents who were experiencing an emergency akin to changing a pad/tampon me me to believe that school is denying male students access to to the restroom. Unless you are suggesting all the girls meet in there as a cool hangout club and not because they are using it.
/r/MensRights27/05/23 06:05 PM
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I don't know what you mean. Are you suggesting all men are satisfied in the their relationships, because that's not what I see here.
/r/MensRights27/05/23 04:27 PM
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I'd have to see proof someone actively vomiting or shitting themselves being denied access and being forced to do it in the hallway before i'd believe that.
/r/MensRights27/05/23 04:26 PM
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How would this be received if it read: "Being a Husband Material and Obedience to Law No Pain No Gain are Very Hand to Hand things." I thought OPs point was that neither partner whsould take each other for granted? Still work to solidify the love for their marriage, and not make it one sided?
/r/MensRights27/05/23 04:48 AM
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I'd suspect it has to do with mensruation, not something sinister.
/r/MensRights27/05/23 04:26 AM
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What exactly are you looking for? Has your friend literally accessed all 150+ resources and was turned away from all of them?
/r/MensRights26/05/23 02:21 PM
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Can you share which systemic programs you are not allowed to access with your children because you are aman? I work in Alberta, and have seen no such thing- exclusion of fathers with children. I was also refering primarily to why 50/50 PPC doesn't work under the current "status quo," which is widely supported here.
/r/MensRights26/05/23 03:16 AM
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Ah, I don't have that experience, where our services are gendered that way. I would love to see more 50/50 PPC, but as many, many men here will testify, they would not be able to do 50/50. I believe it would have to be the end of the whole patriarchy for that to happen.
/r/MensRights26/05/23 01:32 AM
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I work in CPS, and I don't see this very often. I'd love to see PPC be the norm, but very few people actually support making that work if it means moving, leaving your job, etc. If it is 50/50 PPC I'd support an even split of resources.
/r/MensRights25/05/23 10:42 AM
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Either men never have any chance of getting PPC of their kids, so they don't need specialized housing, or they always get PPC so they need specialized housing.
/r/MensRights25/05/23 04:32 AM
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What's the option? Forcing people into marriage? I don't think a population where 50% of a couple is unhappy is going to thrive.
/r/MensRights22/05/23 11:21 PM
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I'm not sure what your solution is? Perhaps marriage is on it's way out if people can't freely opt in or out of it?
/r/MensRights22/05/23 05:03 PM
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That's not a news source I recognize, and it was a long time ago. Can you share more modern example?
/r/MensRights15/05/23 06:19 AM
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Link?
/r/MensRights15/05/23 05:16 AM
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I think what you are saying is all relationships are different, and what might seem important to one couple wouldn't matter to another. All of these things are meant to be discovered while dating and before marriage. If something or someone changes and they are no longer satisfied the marriage ends.
/r/MensRights04/05/23 06:58 PM
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Isn't that kind of worrying?
/r/MensRights03/05/23 06:38 PM
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I thinkm if someone wants out of marriage they should be allowed. Why would someone want to be with a spouse who doesn't want to be there?
/r/MensRights25/04/23 03:54 PM
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I disagree. I don't believe kids thrive in unhappy homes where the parents dislike each other. Would you prefer divorce was illegal?
/r/MensRights25/04/23 03:49 PM
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They pointed out that women initiate divorce more often I ask why it matters if women do, and is an unhappy marriage something better?
/r/MensRights25/04/23 03:42 PM
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Would you rather people stay in unhappy marriages?
/r/MensRights25/04/23 03:37 PM
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I saw so many men here saying this exact thing when Kelly Clarkson was made to pay 200K in monthy child support/alimony. Men here were furious at the injustice, and advocated that it shouldn't be about the money. https://www.eonline.com/ca/news/1293962/kelly-clarkson-to-pay-ex-brandon-blackstock-almost-s200-000-a-month-in-spousal-and-child-support
/r/MensRights15/05/22 05:01 AM
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Thanks. I will take the feedback. I have removed my comments and will not post here.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/04/22 05:41 PM
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Riiiight. You tell yourself that. I'm sure you've lived in many refugee shelters with caring for the elderly and the children. At least you're honest that you believe women are lesser than you. Thank you for that so I don't have to waste my time trying to find out iof you are actually about equal rights.
/r/MensRights11/04/22 03:15 AM
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Right. That's all women are to you. The ones who do your household chores. Thanks for the honesty.
/r/MensRights11/04/22 03:14 AM
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I have replied?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/03/22 09:06 PM
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That doesn't say anything about feminist saying that, which is what I was asking.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/03/22 09:06 PM
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Can you show me any feminist group that calls male-only conscription benevolent sexism? I have never seen that as a feminist talking point.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/03/22 02:31 PM
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Bill Burr has a bit about this. "To white feminists who want to separate themselves from white male privilege: “It’s like, bitch, you’re sitting in the Jacuzzi with me!”"
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/03/22 12:42 AM
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This is when you start on writing grant propsals. Reaching out to Angel Investors. Starting really small, like instead of a whole shelter you build a fund for men to stay in a hotel for a few days/weeks/month. Don't let money stop what you feel passionate about.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/03/22 05:54 AM
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This wasn't what I was refering to, but thank you for taking the time to read and respond.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/03/22 05:10 PM
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I feel like the wage gap is similar to the discussion around why men don't (usually) get custody after divorce, and the interplay between "choice" and social pressure.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/03/22 04:14 AM
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Someone gave me this argument regardling sex-selective abortions. That female babies were "fortunate" to be killed, given the life of toil and poverty male babies had to look forward too.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/02/22 05:08 AM
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They could have been up before then, that is just when I started back on campus. But looking up the campaign it looks pretty bloody fantastic, and targeted directly and solely for men. https://www.buddyup.ca/learn/
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/02/22 03:32 PM
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I know you (from other subs)! I was also happy to see this. Especially at the Uni level.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/02/22 05:13 AM
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Alberta a weird duck for certain. Home right now, and I love it, but it's an eclectic population for certain.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/02/22 05:12 AM
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Examples? Reasons this wasn't removed already?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/02/22 05:06 AM
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Hey! Hello! Nice to meet you as well. :)
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/02/22 05:05 AM
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The've been up since September 2021 (maybe longer, that's where I first saw them). Why don't you think they will last?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/02/22 03:45 AM
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University of Calgary, Alberta, Canada!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/02/22 03:45 AM
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I pointed it out because I have read many discussions that state there is help/advocacy "for women" or "for everyone." This is a good (imo) example off a concerted effort to specifically reach men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/02/22 03:42 AM
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He also oversaw a mental health commitee commitee regarding solely men's mental health.
/r/MensRights10/07/21 04:34 AM
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Suicide statistics reveal that women are roughly three times more likely to attempt suicide, though men are two to four times more likely to die by suicide. Compared to men, women show higher rates of suicidal thinking, non-fatal suicidal behavior, and suicide attempts.3 https://www.verywellmind.com/gender-differences-in-suicide-methods-1067508 Women choose less violent methods because they care more about the condition of the corpse, and the mess someone else will have to deal with. At least th…
/r/MensRights08/06/21 04:47 PM
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Studies show women attempt suicide at the same (some studies say more often) than men, men just use more often use violent methods that succeed more. So no, I'm not shoicked or surprised.
/r/MensRights08/06/21 02:20 PM
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Why is that shocking?
/r/MensRights07/06/21 10:52 PM
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How should the government have protected him?
/r/MensRights05/06/21 10:53 PM
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In the first case, the partner is able to make an informed decision. They would get to make a choice to leave or stay, though that doesn't change the fact that they were put at risk. BTW, I like your username.
/r/MensRights15/04/21 06:14 PM
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Infidelity is cheating though, so by essense it's not telling your partner. If you tell your partner you are sleeping with others that would be an open marriage. I agree, if even just from a health perspective, cheating is beyond the pale.
/r/MensRights15/04/21 02:51 PM
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Do you believe infidelity should be illegal?
/r/MensRights15/04/21 02:37 AM
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I work for the government and we receive funding that needs to be allocated to the various programs we run. I run (or did before covid) a men's group that receives a small amount of funding. One could argue that money to that is money away from a different women's program. Or that money given to a women's shelter is money taken from mens programming.
/r/MensRights08/04/21 03:18 PM
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Unfortunately, some resources are finite. So one party getting more sadly does need to the other side getting less.
/r/MensRights07/04/21 09:28 PM
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I certainly don't agree with everything JP has said, though I do think he was likely influential for many men who found themselves lost. I'm curious where he'll go next.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/03/21 09:30 PM
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Apologies. I can do better.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/03/21 02:13 PM
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I disagree. Telling men before they are victims to be careful isn't victim blaming.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/03/21 02:12 PM
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Is it? Where I am from women who couldn't get an abortion until two years ago. I guess that proves women have been oppressed longer.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/03/21 04:39 AM
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I asked for a modern day example of a female leader/Prime Minister/ President telling women to withhold sex so men will do what they asked. The premise of the whole post. What is your example that this is a modern day problem?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/03/21 04:36 AM
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So you can't provide an example.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/03/21 04:20 AM
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I'll gladly take solitude over "relationships" predicated on manipulation and interaction as transaction/use. I've been married for over two decades, and I agree.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/03/21 03:34 AM
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I editted my response to expand. But I also generally try to avoid looking at interpersonal relationships purely in terms of what I stand to gain from them. It strikes one as a rather narcissistic, self-serving and icky mindset. And I would agree. I was responding to your example of a person getting a free meal. That's not a relationship anymore than a ONS is.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/03/21 03:28 AM
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I worked at a nightclub for years, and the bartenders flirted all the time for more tips. Do you deny that happens? But I also generally try to avoid looking at interpersonal relationships purely in terms of what I stand to gain from them. It strikes one as a rather narcissistic, self-serving and icky mindset. And I would agree. I was responding to your example of a person getting a free meal. That's not a relationship anymore than a ONS is.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/03/21 03:24 AM
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I'm not trying to obtuse, I read this, and I don't see how it's a leader telling women to deny men sex in order to have all men participate in a certain activity (like the OP example of not getting sex if you don't go to war. The idea of sex as a womens power or weapon is as old as time- I was looking at more like a specific, modern movement in which someone in a power position advised women to cut off sex. And I've had women directly tell me that flirting is how they get men to do things for th…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/03/21 03:11 AM
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How do you feel about historians finding evidence of a sex-for-meat trade in just about every hunter gatherer society ever studied? I think there has been sex for X since we have had humans. And likely why more men are in jail- the usually don't have the same way to earn money (not saying if that's good or bad) through sex, so they turn to other crimes. People trade what they have for what they want, I'd agree with that.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/03/21 03:04 AM
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Have you ever heard of women withholding sex because they're mad at their man? Yes, but I have also heard of men withholding sex from their partners. r/Deadbedrooms has plenty of stories like than. That's shitty people in relationships. Or women who string men along for like free food or help with their homework because they know they're interested in them? That has nothing to do with this post- or "society about the use of sex to control, emasculate, and manipulate men on behalf of women." Thos…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/03/21 12:20 AM
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W>But I think there is a discussion to be had in society about the use of sex to control, emasculate, and manipulate men on behalf of women. Can you provide examples of this happening today?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/03/21 08:43 PM
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In a genuine way, what can be done or what can these men do once they reach adulthood?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/03/21 02:33 PM
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Maybe you need to give me some examples, because I'm not seeing this and I am also very concious of it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/03/21 09:26 PM
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I have never heard a man described as fierce, aside from maybe a couple footballer. Fierce here is almost exclusively used on women or in the drag community for good looking. I have only seen brave used in positive ways with men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/03/21 06:39 PM
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So no actual examples? I'm pretty active in a number of gender-debate groups and I haven't ever seen those words connected to men with a negative connotation. Regarding dangerous- how do you mean? Like a woman saying "I'm dangerous so don't mess with me?"
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/03/21 06:35 PM
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I may be guilty of having not treating this sub with the respect it deserves, and apologize. I will be more of a listener going forward, so thank you for taking the time to post this.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/03/21 03:43 AM
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Such well written satire I'm almost sorry you quit. Have a great day.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/03/21 12:52 AM
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I could say the same, that because I don't experience it, it's not there, when it could be happening in subtle ways I don't see.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/03/21 03:28 AM
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No, I just think where I live and probably my age play a factor. I have good friends who are stay at home fathers, and others who have recently been laid off, and they are still loved and supported by their family and community, for example.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/03/21 02:37 AM
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Thanks for all of this. I don't see this at all where I live, thankfully.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/03/21 12:02 AM
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Thanks for that interpretation. I wouldn't say I see that reflected within the community where I live, but it may be true in some places.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/03/21 10:12 PM
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So you come to a discussion sub but don't want any discussion outside of your own beliefs. Got it. Not all men as well, am I right? Why would I apologize to you? I have said nothing offensive.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/03/21 04:11 PM
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Oh my, you sound offended. If anything, knowing that good people exist is a benefit- and this has never been a sub (in my experience) that has a hate on for women. Sure, some women ":wear masks", somne don't, some men do, some men don't. Is that safe enough for you? It's also not about you.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/03/21 02:46 PM
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Because I disagree with the notion that only women decieve people in romantic relationships.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/03/21 02:22 PM
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What we're talking about it is that those things are only a problem when it happens to men. What do you mean?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/03/21 03:57 AM
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Why don't you have hobbies and goals? All the men I know, even the single ones, have interests and goals.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/03/21 03:00 PM
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I 100% agree with you. I think both have value.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/02/21 04:57 AM
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I'm curious if you've heard this comment about male spaces anywhere else though. There was a recent thread about men wanting male only groups at Harvard. Women's spaces are also seen as being hip and cool whereas men's spaces are seen as either being old school for uncool boomers, or filled with socially inept (aka incel) men. I don't agree overall. Places like barbershops are primarily mens spaces and they are always shown as hip, close knit and funny. Besides literal fraternities like the free…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/02/21 04:46 PM
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Apologies. I was wrong, you were right.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/02/21 05:52 AM
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No one can. Not even me. I sneezed or something.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/02/21 05:46 AM
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I don't think so, unless you believe gaming circles that don't include women are doing it because they believe all women are lesser gamers than men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/02/21 05:45 AM
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So you think men also act exclusionary with spaces dominated by men? You said you hadn't seen that, unless I misread.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/02/21 05:45 AM
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I understood you. I'm saying that is so far from what I experience, that we likely won't find common ground on the topic. Have a nice evening.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/02/21 04:59 AM
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Um, no, and that’s not even relevant. Then I guess we are done. Your lived experience has not been similiar and we can't close that difference.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/02/21 04:52 AM
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I never said groups of moms can't be cliquey. Do you really believe groups of men don't also do this? And I don't agree. I have seen enough time IRL to know why it became a trope.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/02/21 03:28 AM
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Contrasted against BS (hah, never noticed that before Ha, me neither! Fair points.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/02/21 03:26 AM
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I have no idea what that was meant to say. I think I was saying that is has been my experience that stay at home fathers get more attention (which is common eough to be portrayed in many movies), than just another mom.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/02/21 12:57 AM
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I don't think it's that simple. There are many reasons why a SAHD might not feel he fits in with a group of all women beyond just putting it all on the woman.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/02/21 12:56 AM
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I'm offering up an idea of as to why it might feel like a girls club. If 9/10 parents on the playground are women, the lone man may feel left out. I show how it would also happen to a woman in an enviornment where 9/10 people were men. Not that there is a malicious intent in either situation.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/02/21 12:54 AM
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I was talking about benevolant sexism in general, towards men or woman.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/02/21 12:52 AM
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Not saying I don’t believe you, because I actually do, but in my geek experience, male heavy groups tend to want more women around not less. It should aos be noti clique, because men are such a rarity. Same in my profession. I can see mixed D&D being different. It's the only kind I've done since I've never found an-all girls group. My son used to take a boys-only dance class and he and the guys really enjoyed getting to horse around with just boys. I don't believe all cases of sex-specific space…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/02/21 08:41 PM
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No, and I wrote to a different user: Yes, I often find in male-dominated spaces the men want to keep them. I have heard from many men who feel there aren't enjoy male spaces, and want to perserve the ones they have. I have also been told I couldn't join a D&D game on a few occassions because 'having women played' changes the dynmanic.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/02/21 08:25 PM
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Yes, I often find in male-dominated spaces the men want to keep them. I have heard from many men who feel there aren't enjoy male spaces, and want to perserve the ones they have. I have also been told I couldn't join a D&D game on a few occassions because 'having women played' changes the dynmanic.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/02/21 08:24 PM
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They will tolerate you but it's very much a "girls only" club. Wouldn't that just be because it's more likely for women to be stay at home parents? Our local gaming shop could be considered a 'boys only' club since the vast majority of people playing Warhammer is store is men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/02/21 06:19 PM
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Benevolant sexism helps no one.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/02/21 06:17 PM
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This is so exciting! I have long followed your posts here and will absolutely subscribe to your podcast. Pat on the back and huge congrats! Since my professiona/personal focus is on the value and importance of fathers, so I'd love to see content on that.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/02/21 04:38 PM
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If you want to include death, as you do with war, you could also include "John didn't want another mouth to feed/ Mary didn't want to die in childbirth." Maternal death was a very real issue for women.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/02/21 03:19 PM
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Single women had all the same rights that single men had. This is not true everywhere and for all time. It was customary that they lived under their father's protection so most women probably didn't have much in terms of debt Right, so for these women, what debt were men ade to pay? I'm not talking about new debts. I am asking for cliarification of what debt women came into marriage with that men were responsible for during a time when women couldn't hold wealth or debt.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/02/21 03:16 PM
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This is a nice presentation, thank you. The only one I might change is comparing not going to University to not getting to live. Even just like "Adam didn't want to fight" or something. The current comparison just don't seem as equal as the others- going to school/being killed. Also, and it may be different where you live, but just curious- do you have any sources of women of that time getting married with large amount of debt? Where I grew up, in the olden days women had no access to money othe…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/02/21 10:18 PM
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No men wearing kilts at work at doing so without underwear unless they are strippers.
/r/MensRights09/02/21 04:11 AM
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This article is outdated and it has since been recinded https://harvardmagazine.com/2020/06/harvard-rescinds-single-gender-club-rules
/r/MensRights07/02/21 05:29 PM
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This is outdated and the policy has been changed, https://harvardmagazine.com/2020/06/harvard-rescinds-single-gender-club-rules
/r/MensRights07/02/21 05:29 PM
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This is new to me. Can you show me the movememt of men petitioning to be allowed to wear makeup in the army and have all been kicked out?
/r/MensRights06/02/21 07:27 PM
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Do you think more men will also commit homicide, if their wife is the breadwinner and they want that pension?
/r/MensRights01/02/21 10:16 PM
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Why can't we have empathy for both? For all? War affects all of us.
/r/MensRights28/01/21 02:44 AM
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I do like Bill Burr. My favourite is his rant about how being a stay at home is the hardest job in the world. You don't really answer the question though. If society is so deeply focused on women being wonderful and all that, there is no way a person like Trump would get elected. But 50% of people (I'm not American) there thought he was a good leader. I think misogyny and misandry exist, in different ways, in our society.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/01/21 04:41 PM
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I don't agree. Again, if misogyny was so villified by society, no one who ever said "grab them by the pussy" could have a political career, let alone be president.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/01/21 05:33 AM
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Great! We have a base of agreement. :)
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/01/21 05:32 AM
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So we agree misogyny and misandry exist?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/01/21 05:16 AM
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What about someone lie Trump? If misogyny doesn't exist, how could "grab them by the pussy" become a world leader?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/01/21 05:14 AM
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And I'm saying that the men aren't either. That doesn't dismiss my point. If we really lived in a "woman are wonderful" world where there is zero misogyny- why do those portrals of women exist? Who would ever watch it? Who would fund the production? It's not making excuses. It's saying "hey, If you treat men like they're monsters don't be surprised when they start acting the part" So you would also say "hey, if you treat women like they are cunts, don't be surprised when they start acting the pa…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/01/21 05:09 AM
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I was speaking more about how women are portrayed in my examples. Are all the women in Two and a Half Men written and presented in an empowering way that would appeal to feminists? I'm not saying it should be if that's what you're asking. But part of her healing is acknowledging that what happened is shitty. Making amends and moving on from it in non hateful ways. This means recognizing that men in general aren't shitty or oppressive. I'm asking if you woudl equally make excuses and extend empat…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/01/21 05:02 AM
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Yes, I think several parts of misogyny are societial and widespread. One only has to watch a show like Two and Half Men or Family Guy, or a movie like 40 Year Old virgin to see that. A demographic that is IMHO fuelled by the casual misandry rampant in society as I've detailed above and in the other post I linked. That's interesting. So you would also agree if a women grew up in a misohynistic culture, her misandry is understood and accepted?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/01/21 04:14 AM
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In 2014, Elliot Rodger went on a shooting and stabbing spree, killing six and injuring 14 at the University of California, Santa Barbara. Rodger was a self-proclaimed “incel” (short for involuntary celibate)—a group of young men who feel furious at their perceived rejection by women and meet online to discuss and spread their ideology. Their toxic misogyny fuels a hatred for women that has led to several recent incidents of mass violence, with many incels citing Rodger’s own disturbing manifesto…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/01/21 04:04 AM
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And I don't believe I live in a society with normalized and accepted and promoted misandry. I also don't believe I live in a world run by misogyny.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/01/21 03:35 AM
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I am skeptical you looked through every single one of those links and read what they said. Why would a group of people who hate all men release materials raising awareness about male victims of domestic abuse, for example?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/01/21 01:58 AM
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I'm only trying to explain to you as I have had it explained to me.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/01/21 01:43 AM
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Look at all this: https://www.reddit.com/r/MensLib/comments/3tn9kc/a_list_of_feminist_resources_tackling_mens_issues/ Feminists are responsible for changing the FBI's definition of rape to include male victims. This includes "made to penetrate", despite commonly confused to not be included, as there's no mention of who's the victim or perpretator. This has been confirmed with the FBI by people who emailed them. A mainstream feminist group published this: https://imgur.com/DYu6JsJ I could give yo…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/01/21 01:26 AM
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They ones I know, both online and off, who say that kind of stuff don't actually mean it to include all men. It's the idea of the "toxic man" they have build that they hate.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/01/21 01:20 AM
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Discrimination against women in hiring no longer exist. This is untrue.
/r/MensRights26/01/21 01:15 AM
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I don't believe mainstreet feminists (if that is who you mean by massive movement) hate all men individually.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/01/21 09:53 PM
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Discrimination against women in hiring no longer exist. Hahaha, do you genuinely believe no women are discriminated against in the workplace because it's "against the rules"?
/r/MensRights25/01/21 07:41 PM
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No, against both genders.
/r/MensRights25/01/21 06:30 PM
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If it comes as a comfort, I have worked in both female and male dominated fields and the sexism was/is present in both. Sadly.
/r/MensRights25/01/21 04:57 PM
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I'm genuinely curious, why would you go into a woman-dominated field if you don't like working in a woman-dominated field?
/r/MensRights25/01/21 04:46 PM
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So again, you won't answer my question.
/r/MensRights25/01/21 04:44 PM
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And you genuinely believe people on this sub don't know that?
/r/MensRights25/01/21 04:33 PM
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You didn't answer my question.
/r/MensRights25/01/21 03:48 PM
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Why is this article shared?
/r/MensRights25/01/21 03:18 PM
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And in my examples and experiences they are all made to be mens issues.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/01/21 03:09 PM
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The cherry picking is crazy.
/r/MensRights25/01/21 03:08 PM
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And when we try to bring up that men's mental health needs more attention. And that suicide is a problem that disproportionately affects men. And people try to shut it down. "women attempt suicide more" as if it's a fucking competition?!? Yeah, and twice this week I have seen this the other way. More women are killed by their husbands, than husbands by their wives. So what? More women initiate IPV. Quote "losing the fight doesn't make you a bigger victims. and FGM is a terrible thing. MGM is wor…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/01/21 03:50 AM
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Of course. Heaven forbid I post an article about a man stabbing his wife over something insane, claiming it represents men as a whole. smh.
/r/MensRights25/01/21 03:32 AM
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Isn't this a case of crazy shitty people doing crazy shitty things?
/r/MensRights24/01/21 09:27 PM
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Where I am, if a woman gives birth the child may live with the mother for 12 months, and this is done for breastfeeding reasons. After that they are adopted to other family members, or go into the system. You are making it sound like mothers can move in as many of their children as they like into prison, and keep them there indefinitely. It's a short term placement that is used by only pregnant women. It's not comparable.
/r/MensRights23/01/21 10:23 PM
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I am sorry to hear you went through that The courts are a mess of bias, I'm the first to admit that. It is such an uphill battle for men to stay in their childrens lives, and so many give up. In another life, I'd actually love to be a lawyer and just focus on fathers. How rewarding would that be?
/r/MensRights23/01/21 09:41 PM
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I said giving birth in prison, not being a loving parent.
/r/MensRights23/01/21 09:38 PM
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Some days I agree. By the way, I actually run a NFP group for fathers to help them navigate the system and stay in the childrens lives after divorce or apprehension. I'm a huge advocate for fathers.
/r/MensRights23/01/21 08:01 PM
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Imagine wanting to hurt children to prove your point.
/r/MensRights23/01/21 08:01 PM
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I don't agree. Many children who are with their mother are there because the mother gave birth in prison. Men don't have that.
/r/MensRights23/01/21 05:15 PM
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This makes sense. There are more women who have primary physical custody of their children than men. I work in family court, so I know all about the bias, but it still doesn't change the fact.
/r/MensRights23/01/21 04:43 PM
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I really don't believe that.
/r/MensRights23/01/21 05:58 AM
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I'm neither a MRA or a feminist, but is this truly how you see men?
/r/MensRights23/01/21 05:56 AM
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Don't get me started on female rapists- the lack of sentancing is even more disgusting. I was responding to: Rape is illegal and is severely punished in pretty much every country on Earth when proven I disagree it's a crime that is always severly punished.
/r/MensRights20/01/21 04:57 AM
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If all rapists are severely punished, why are any sentance reductions done?
/r/MensRights20/01/21 03:41 AM
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I don't think a short sentance is the exception. From the article: Judges were “twice as likely to reduce a sentence when the attacker knew the victim,” and in 227 separate cases reduced the recommended sentences of men convicted of felony sex assault such that they spent less than a year behind bars.
/r/MensRights20/01/21 02:46 AM
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That's true. Doesn't change the fact that not all rapists are given severe punishments. https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/05/sexual-assault-rape-sympathy-no-prison.html
/r/MensRights20/01/21 02:37 AM
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https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/05/sexual-assault-rape-sympathy-no-prison.html
/r/MensRights20/01/21 02:36 AM
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Do you have a source for that, because A 2015 study looked at virtually every substantiated child sexual abuse case reported to child protective services in the United States in 2010. It concluded more than 20% of child sexual abuse cases reviewed involved a primary female perpetrator https://theconversation.com/women-also-sexually-abuse-children-but-their-reasons-often-differ-from-mens-72572
/r/MensRights20/01/21 01:37 AM
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severely punished Didn't Brock Turner get less than six months?
/r/MensRights20/01/21 01:30 AM
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Well, then I guess we're done?
/r/MensRights18/01/21 06:34 PM
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So, this is your good faith engagement?
/r/MensRights18/01/21 06:01 PM
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If we want change so that we are involved with our children after separation, we must make sure we are involved with our children before as well. I (pre-covid) ran a bi-monthly support group for men who had recently lost their children, due to either divorce or apprehension, to help them navigate the system, stay involved and understand their rights. The advice you give is really important. It's very easy for men to fall out of their childrens lives, and battling against court bias is an exhaust…
/r/MensRights17/01/21 05:38 PM
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I have been told/taught that TM isn't toxic masculity, but toxic masculinties, or toxic male gender roles....seperate traits that can harm men and others. IP: Assuming someone who shares the same immutable characteristics with you will always share your political/ideological perspective. Thats what I'm working from.
/r/MensRights17/01/21 05:42 AM
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I am fully against identity politics. TM has nothing to do with IP.
/r/MensRights17/01/21 05:31 AM
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displaying toxic masculinity What were they displaying?
/r/MensRights17/01/21 05:18 AM
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I do, indeed. You are the one who seems to want some sort of "gotcha!" interaction and very little engagement.
/r/MensRights17/01/21 04:34 AM
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You couldn't read the quote? Weird.
/r/MensRights17/01/21 03:56 AM
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According to the research, They found that, on average, the couples had known each other four months before dating. Plus, 40 per cent of them were friends beforehand
/r/MensRights17/01/21 03:20 AM
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What plays out? Tricking women?
/r/MensRights17/01/21 02:23 AM
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I have never heard someone say become good friends with a woman for years and she will likely fall in love with you at some point, no. I also think the "become friends with her" is a bit silly as well.
/r/MensRights17/01/21 01:54 AM
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Are you actually wanting to be a friend, or leverage frindship for a romantic relationship? (I also somewhat disgaree with the beconme a friend advice as well).
/r/MensRights17/01/21 01:52 AM
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I have absolutely heard that, the comment I responded to said to that that for weeks/ months/ years. I'm saying I have never heard someone say do it for years. I think you know after a reasonable short friendship if there is the potential for a roantic relationship.
/r/MensRights17/01/21 01:46 AM
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I wouldn't care if someone wrote something like this about women. Why would I? There are shitty people of any gender.
/r/MensRights16/01/21 11:37 PM
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I have never heard anyone tell a man a realistic dating strategy is to be friends with a woman for years in hopes that her feelings change.
/r/MensRights16/01/21 11:28 PM
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If the chemistry is there and they are interested in dating you, I don't think you will become like a brother. I think that only happens if they aren't interested in dating someone, so their feelings are platonic.
/r/MensRights16/01/21 07:57 PM
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I was quoting the one that said weeks/months/years. And I would agree with you- which is why I am questioning why someone would hang out with someone for years that you wanted to date when they showed no interest in anything except friendship.
/r/MensRights16/01/21 07:52 PM
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So you aren't genuinely wanting to be her friend, your just waiting until it becomes romantic?
/r/MensRights16/01/21 07:50 PM
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People hang out to see if they are compatible. If they aren't, they don't continue to. How is that controversal.
/r/MensRights16/01/21 06:13 PM
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Then clarify, someone is spending years doing what? Being a nice guy in hopes that after years you will start dating?
/r/MensRights16/01/21 05:40 PM
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What you have is men told to "be her friend first. So, when they are interested they get to know her first and spend a lot of time. They are told this is the "right" way. This rarely pans out, and they end up putting weeks, months, or even years into prospects that don't pan out. That's dating though? You meet someone, you go for dates and do things together for weeks/ months/ years and decide if you are compatible together. If not you seperate. Most realtionships don't pan out or we would all m…
/r/MensRights16/01/21 03:29 PM
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Oh, I thought it was entirely gender neutral- I can't read Italian so I didn't know if was a male focus project. Good luck!
/r/MensRights15/01/21 03:51 PM
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It's a gender neutral campaign, so why would someone put "men's rights" in the tag? I hope the campaign goes well though- Italy is a beautiful country, though it has some pretty strong gender roles/expectations.
/r/MensRights15/01/21 03:40 PM
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I don't think it's a double standard. Men can not ask if they don't want to.
/r/MensRights12/01/21 05:11 PM
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we would still have a system that is uninterested in the well being of men, but interested in that of women. And the first time I was introduced to this was when I read a book on EP at Uni. I am a woman, but prostate cancer terrifies me since I also know that by the time you find out you have it, it's usually too advanced to properly treat. :(
/r/MensRights09/01/21 08:32 PM
1

So the OP's headline is incorrect- "a common feminist lie is en don't die of prostate cancer." I'm looking for clarity- there is enough questionable stuff with feminism to need to make up lies.
/r/MensRights09/01/21 08:30 PM
-3

Thank you for this reply- however, I'm really just responding to the Op claim that A common feminist lie is that men dont die of prostate cancer I have never seen a feminist organization say this.
/r/MensRights09/01/21 04:13 PM
-4

Can you show me a feminist oraganization that says men don't die from prostate cancer? I'm not a feminist, but I have never seen this claim.
/r/MensRights09/01/21 03:29 PM
1

All his choices to make.
/r/MensRights05/01/21 07:15 PM
2

And if a man isn't happy what does he do?
/r/MensRights05/01/21 03:51 PM
1

Out of curiousity, if you partner was bi, would you also want them to not have male friends?
/r/RedPillWomen29/12/20 08:16 PM
1

No....either you are expected to know all the personality traits of the people you sleep with or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/20 05:49 AM
4

Yawn.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/20 04:13 AM
1

No. Plenty of men have happy lives and lovely partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/20 03:44 AM
13

So, outside of a romantic relationship he has no friends?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/20 02:38 PM
1

I am decades married and I love that my partner can still surprise me. I never want to know everything.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/20 02:28 PM
1

Weird, I know plenty of men who upon meeting a woman don't want every detail of her entire life.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/20 02:23 PM
2

And if his goal is to be "loved" by pretending to be someone he isn't, then he should keep up the charade I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/20 02:09 PM
6

Then what other interest did he have?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/20 02:08 PM
3

I said it's not exactly an excuse if a guy fails to reject a woman because he's an honest and forthcoming person and doesn't try to present a false image of himself. No, it is someone not being interested. This happens both ways. Point being that women don't care who a guy is if they're attracted to him, so he could be presenting a false image of himself to make him seem more attracted and women would simply respond to it. That's called "game." Are you talking about ONSs or a LTR. They are very …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/20 03:56 AM
1

I did not, and it does.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/20 03:55 AM
55

"The way a man treats women he can't fuck is the way he treats women." Zero interest in a person beyond a sexual tool is fine, just be upfront and don't pretend you cared about anything else.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/20 02:53 AM
1

It's not exactly an excuse if women are attracted to their idea of a man and a man fails to project a certain image of himself to a woman in order to draw attraction to him. What does that mean? You lost me.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/20 02:49 AM
0

Halo Effect exists. When did I say it didn't?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/20 02:45 AM
1

No, hard disagree. I'm decades married and I love the fact that my partner can still surprise me. I think some men just use that as another excuse as to why they feel they were rejected.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/20 01:40 AM
2

Mystique is a trait that both genders find attractive. No one wants to date someone who is an immediate open book.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/20 01:26 AM
-9

Women will find it "creepy" if you make them feel creepy. It's no more complicated than that.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/20 01:25 AM
0

Nice whataboutism. Men don't face pregnancy. They will never be comparable.
/r/MensRights28/10/20 06:04 PM
3

I'm sorry that women may soon have the same rights and responsibilities as men after sex Except a man doesn't actually have to endure physical pregancy, the dangers of childbirth and the social/financial fallout of nine month sof pregnancy. But hey, other than that, exactly the same!
/r/MensRights28/10/20 04:30 PM
4

I think there is significant overlap with poverty and obesity.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/20 11:01 PM
1

What do you think the 'solution' would look like?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/20 06:54 PM
1

why isn't obesity not brought up more as a reason for why some men have issues with their sex lives and dating? I think it is though? feel like everyone is in agreement that the heavier you are the worst shape you are in?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/20 06:42 PM
1

It is a debate sub, so that's why I assumed you wanted a debate. What discussion are you hoping for? Suggestions for male weight loss?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/20 06:22 PM
1

While some of that may be true, I'm unsure what you wish to debate about gender? I can't see anyone believing that obesity is linked to good sex and dating success.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/20 06:12 PM
2

In a genuine way, what can be done? The only solution is for the men to get in better shape. How do we encourage men to do that in ways they haven't already be shown/suggested?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/20 05:51 PM
1

Fair enough. I'm in Alberta and we still have most stuff open and we can have guests.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/20 05:16 PM
0

No, not unless you tell yourself that and stop trying.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/20 04:01 PM
2

I mean more meeting new people while out. You can come in with someone and sit together, but I’m tired of meeting folks through apps and wanted to meet someone organically. Yeah, it's definitely a bit different, especially since we have an indoor mask mandate. I have a friend who is a bartender, and once you are sitting you can mask off, so he said people are still connecting. Might just be time to go to a country that’s actually open! Meet you in NZ?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/20 03:44 PM
0

Canada. Our pubs are still open, as are gyms and resturants. You must socially distance, but I assume is someone is casually dating they aren't doing that anyways? I mean, if you get seated seperately from your date in Denver, is that really dating?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/20 03:39 PM
1

Only if they have made themselves that way. Many do.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/20 03:35 PM
-1

Any man can be a good partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/20 02:36 PM
20

Very often men feel they have been let on, and get resentful they are in the 'friendzone.'
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/20 02:36 PM
15

This is assuming sex is all that is wanted. I would venture it's easier for women to get laid, but not to find a man to commit, especially if he openly considers her unattractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/20 02:33 PM
6

Our restrictions may be less than some, but people here still go out.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/20 02:32 PM
0

No, I think it's the same. If a woman, upon dating a man is expected to know that he will support and love her forever, the same should be said about a man, that he should be able to predict her future behaviour. Or, we agree that the feeling of being in love makes us do silly things sometimes and we don't judge either, which makes more sense to me.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/10/20 02:08 PM
0

I don't really agree. Or rather, if it's a woman's fault for picking a "bad" partner and being a single mom, then we should also blame men who feel they got "divorced raped" by their ex-wives.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/10/20 03:00 AM
2

In all of the times I have been involved the mother ran out (usually drug related) and left the infant with the father, was was unwilling or unable to care for the child.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/10/20 10:30 PM
5

It wouldn't be bad for the child if you provide the more with assistance. Who knows, she may get more that way that through the father.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/10/20 10:22 PM
1

Even though any intellectually honesty person knows that it's meant to only be used by women. This is actually not true. I work at a safe haven and we do have men drop of babies. There are primarily used by women, but they were absolutely not designed to turn away men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/10/20 10:21 PM
1

Yes, but if she is sexually experimental, chances are she will want to try different things with different people. No different than men. Some men are virgins when they marry, or have one previous partner, and others want a whole ton of diversity before settling down.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/20 06:13 PM
1

And I’m sure I don’t need to tell you that not everyone with a high sex drive gets to fulfill it via a sex partner. No, but a healthy young woman with a high sex drive will have no trouble finding partners if she wants them.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/20 04:30 PM
1

And that's fine for you to have your standards. I know women who also don't want men who have had a ton of sex partners. If someone has a high sex drive, especially women, they will have a lot of sex before they meet you.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/20 04:05 PM
1

I mean, there are men who don't want a very sexual partner. A lot of men feel that it makes them special if they are the only person she has ever slept with. But I also know plenty of men with a high sex drive who want a similar partner. I know many men who are fine with their partners having a sexual past.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/20 03:41 PM
2

I guess so! If a woman's past is too much for you, leave. Many men don't care.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/20 02:32 PM
1

Expect that we are static people and unable to grow. You can break up with anyone you like for any reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/20 04:56 AM
3

I would advise them not to. Unless the genuinely trust the man won't use it against them.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/20 04:26 AM
3

Why would a man who doesn't care ask for specifics?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/20 04:22 AM
2

No, many men don't give a shit what a woman did in her past, only how she treats them.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/20 04:17 AM
3

Women lie about their n-count and sexual past because of insecure men.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/20 04:09 AM
1

And if you enjoy anal so much you can't be happy without it, then you should tell someone when you first start getting sexual. But not mentioning ever wanting it until you found out, seems like it's less about the sex and more about control.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/20 10:26 PM
1

No, I get that's what you believe. I just don't understand it. The only way this makes an sense to me is if you directly ask her every single sexual act she has done when you meet to ensure "you get what any other man got." Or for you, upon meeting, to say "I need these specific sexual acts in my relationship, or I'll leave you." Your position seems to be "I'm not bothered if we have anal or not, I don't care, unless I hear someone else got to do it, then it's required I get it too."
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/20 08:07 PM
1

I still don't really understand, but thanks for all the back and forth abou it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/20 07:58 PM
1

Not physically impossible, just painful and not sexy.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/20 07:08 PM
2

What criteria men want to decide on to judge women? No, not really. But plenty of other topic here interest me.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/20 07:08 PM
1

You could have a sex life with orgies, threesomes, oral, women on top, doggy, woman on women for you to watch...and she can say "I just don't want anal. I've done it but always found it uncomfortable." It has been my experience that as long as sexual needs are enthusiatically met, most men would find missing that one thing not a big deal breaker, especially if they care about their partner. You seem to be saying that when she was single the woman got around like a porn star, and now sex is simpl…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/20 07:07 PM
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Why would I care about how some random man is valuing me, how how? Everyone would have different traits that they wants, and different ones that are dealbreakers.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/20 06:53 PM
1

You have the right to leave a realtionship for any reason you like. Since you didn't answer, for the anal, what if it was a case that your cock was too big and it made it painful. The two other people she had anal with were much smaller. Would you still force her to bend over and take it or just leave the relationship after you tried once?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/20 06:42 PM
1

Not having enough sex, or the sex that you want, is absolutely a dealbreaker. However, I don't think a specific sex act indicates more or less love for someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/20 06:29 PM
1

Way too much stories of men finding out that their fiance's or wifes had some wild sex history despite her not doing anything sexual with him that he really wanted to do. That why each time I've asked I have said that you currently have a fun and exciting sex life. You seem to think I'm say she was a porn star and now they have a deadbedroom.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/20 06:28 PM
1

Siode question you keep not answering, do you believe that sexuality changes, or is what you do at one point in your life all that you will enjoy forever? Because that sounds like a pits sex life.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/20 05:02 PM
1

It honestly doesn't really matter why they won't do it with me despite doing it multiple times (they either liked it or they compromised). It's just pure resentment of getting something less while putting in more. but only sexually? You don't give two shits if you get more in every other way of life? And even if you dick actually hurts her, you get anal. Good to know where you stand.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/20 05:00 PM
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Yes, if you don't get your anal you should leave. I have said that. I'm just so confused why, assuming your partner is someone you care about, doesn't want to do something sexually why you would want to push it? Do you think believe sexual desires can change? Or do you believe if someone liked something once they will always and forever like it? Maybe they don;t like anal with you because you cock is too big? Would you still force them down and do it?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/20 04:39 PM
1

You can't answer the question then. Why wouldn you want to force yourself onto your sexual partner?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/20 04:17 PM
1

But again, why would you want your partner to do something that makes her uncomfortable sexually? That's what I don't get.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/20 04:11 PM
1

And I'm saying that what could've been a compromise, ends up being a deal breaker when that information is known. Why? Genuinely why do you feel you own someone elses body and have an entitlement to whatever you want sexually, above what they want? I agree if your sexual needs aren't met, you should leave but I don't understand what you are saying. I'll use anal. If that's a deal-breaker, you must have it or you can never be fulfilled, bring it up early and then leave if she doesn't like it. But…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/20 03:57 PM
1

So what if they have done it before though? You aren't owed anything because of what someone did sexually before they met you. They could have had a few threesomes when they were 18 to see what the hype was about- that doesn't mean they want to have threesomes forever.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/20 03:39 PM
1

I disagree so much. If you have sexual dealbreakers, it's on you to say it, and leave if they aren't met. You are ignoring so much of what I have said. I said your partner tried or did stuff they didn't enjoy decades before they met you- why, if youlove the, would you want them to do it again? Past largely doesn't matter, unless you want a very young partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/20 04:36 AM
1

Why though? I know many people, men and women, who wanted things like open relationships when they were young, but don't want that for their whole life. You seem to believe sexuality is static and what turns you on when you hit puberty is what will turn you on until you die. I'm old, and that has not been my experience. People evolve sexually all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/20 03:49 AM
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If anal is a deal breaker for you, bring it up as soon as things get sexual. That way all needs are met, or the relationship ends and you can both find someone different to be compatible with. But tit-for-tat is ridiculous for a real relationship. This is why women lie.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/20 03:40 AM
1

Hard disagree. That feels far to much like a weird "if anyone else had her ass, I gets her ass too." People change, and their taste change. Are you seriously 100% attracted and turned on now the same was as when you hit puberty? Or has your taste evolved? Why would you not want to engage in sex your partner wants? Isn't that better sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/20 03:27 AM
1

Her best could be enthusiatic, engaged sex- which doesn't have to include ever menu item she has ever tried. If the dude tried pegging once and hated it, should that be an element of his sex life forever?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/20 03:19 AM
1

Why do you assume a sex act is the best she could offer?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/20 03:13 AM
0

It's two small studies and one is over 40 years old. Do you think sexuality hasn't evolved? I think women become more open each each, as shaming continues to lessen.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/20 09:05 PM
1

I have both and this is how our house rolls.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/10/20 09:01 PM
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No, some men want to blame women for their social awkwardness. They want to say they did everything perfectly and they creeped a woman out because they aren't attractive enough. Zero ability to self-reflect leads to stunted growth and anger.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/20 05:26 PM
0

If that's what you choose, more space for other men I suppose.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/20 04:52 PM
3

Abuse women for your own pleasures? Naw, I know better men.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/20 04:27 PM
1

Exactly. He shouldn't waste his time either.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/20 04:26 PM
4

You would want to force the person you love to have uncomfortable, painful sex with you because of your ego? That's backwards.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/20 03:35 PM
1

She didn't "show me interest" in the way that you're generalizing that people "99% of the time" will show or not show interest, so again, you're wrong there. The interest is giving you her number. Yeesh. Right. However, her body language was that of a person who was ignoring someone and not who was attracted to an interested in someone enough to give their phone number to them. But she gave you her number. That is showing interest.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/20 02:49 PM
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Because some men won't take 'no' for an answer, and want a different answer than no ("why not?" "Come on, why?" "just tell me why?"). I think it's manipulative, weird, red-flaggy behaviour to call the number immediately to "call her out."
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/20 02:48 PM
1

I get it now and I will never forget it. I feel like a dunce it's so obvious.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/20 02:47 PM
3

Naw, lots of people try things sexually to find out what turns them on.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/20 02:47 PM
1

Maybe some women? And I suppose if you are unable to tell if you are being harassing, that's the only option?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/20 02:46 PM
0

Never from me. Or anyone I know.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/20 02:46 PM
2

Then what ARE you talking about? Being able to tell interest from not. It sounds like you’re just using terms to obscure how women act in these situations. There was no “back and forth” that I described in my situation. I walked up to her and nervously asked for her number. She looked away and gave me her number and said I’d text her later as I walked away. No “hey, how are you doing today.” No “hey, I just noticed you from across the room and....” No “So what are you doing later?” No “getting b…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/20 04:45 AM
2

I once asked a girl out that gave me her number but would not look me in the face at all. Sure, but she engaged enough to give you her number. That's not what I'm talking about. If people are that attracted to you, being intimidated doesn’t equal flirting. You assume “99% of the time” that everyone are going to respond the same way and you’re 100% wrong. Again, there was back and forth to get your number. That's not that same as being blanked. I never once said "respond the same" by some men use…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/20 04:12 AM
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99% of the time, if a stranger you are talking to doesn't look up from their phone, won't answer you and looks past you, you are safe to believe they aren't flirting.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/20 03:31 AM
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They aren't, but humans in general have similarities. I'd say the same thing to a woman. If the man you are talking to isn't listening to you, playing on his phone, texting, looking for someone else, he's not interested. That's a people thing, not a gendered thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/20 03:14 AM
0

Yes, now that I have been corrected I feel like an idiot.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/20 03:12 AM
1

Oh, that's no good either. :(
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/20 03:11 AM
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No, if someone is backing away from you, giving one word answers and scanning the room, you should err on the side they aren't interested. I actually read here once a guy saying if a girl gives you her number you should call it in front of her so if she gave you a fake you could "call her out." That's so not okay.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/20 03:10 AM
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No, I mean if you are chatting a girl up and she's not making eye contact and shifting away from you while scanning the room, she's not interested.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/20 02:37 AM
4

That may be true, but you are still responsible. If you know you are shit at reading cues then err on the side of caution.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/20 02:37 AM
5

That's why it's important to be able to read physical cues, and to see if behavior follows what someone is saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/20 02:28 AM
2

I'm so dense. Thank you!
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/20 02:21 AM
1

That is true. I don't get the osggy knees part.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/20 11:30 PM
2

Sometimes facts are muh soggy kneez. I've never heard that before so I have no clue what it means.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/20 10:12 PM
3

Ok, then we agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/20 09:02 PM
9

Men and women should be allowed to choose their sexual partners, do you agree or disagree?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/20 08:58 PM
5

No, I find men way more interested in a woman's sexual past, especially what she did with other men that she is no longer interested in doing.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/20 08:47 PM
8

It will affect the way society will function, sure, but the alternative is to take away rights. Plus not all change is bad change.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/20 08:46 PM
1

Totally agree :)
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/20 08:23 PM
1

I made a post a while ago though, that if you want to blame women for bad dating choices you ave to do the same for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/20 08:20 PM
2

Yes, that's why I put it in quotes. It's nonesense.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/20 08:19 PM
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You think women being able to choose their sexual partner will lead to a collapse of civilization? I just want to be clear.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/20 08:11 PM
2

Yes, which is why charisma is an attractive quality, and charismatic men get more partners. Not because they are 'bad boys.' There may be some crossover, but as I said before, 99.9% (or more) of the men in my life who I consider outgoing, charistmatic and confident aren't beating up their girls friends or robbing stores.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/20 08:03 PM
1

I agree with this, people who think in terms of good guy and bad boy are missing the mark completely, every guy has good stuff and bad stuff. Agree. And most guys don’t even recognize that what they believe to be a good guy is not what women might think a good guy is. But women don't do this, at least not women I know of. I know far, far more men who are stuck in the thinking of "women don't want a nice guy, so I'm out of luck." As you said, all people have a range of traits. Often times I find …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/20 08:02 PM
1

Why is it wrong to ask for money?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/20 07:54 PM
0

To me any man who claims to be a "good guy" or "nice guy" is to be completely avoided.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/20 07:53 PM
3

No, I disagree. If a man is charasmatic, he is a charistmatic man. I know plenty of completely charming men who have none of the "bad guy" traits and are just living their lives, not verbally abusing people. I can't believe some as now considering charisma an indicator of toxic malehood.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/20 07:52 PM
2

Well now you saying two different things. If a man is uncharismatic then he is less likely to find a partner than a charismatic man. That is simply common sense. But that had nothing to do with women giving "two points" to a "bad boy" and "one point" to a "good guy" for the same behaviour.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/20 07:42 PM
2

That's not true though. If a woman is attracted to extroverted men, she is attracted to extroverted men. "Good" and "bad" men can be extroverts.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/20 07:18 PM
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what men don’t know is that each of the bad boy’s positive traits are worth 2 points whereas the good guy’s are worth 1. What are you talking about?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/20 04:14 PM
1

Ok, if it's just getting to come who cares.
/r/MensRights19/10/20 04:43 AM
1

I find weight and height a bit shallow, but financies I think are certainly very important. For example, I'm very frugal, so I wouldn't be interested in a partner with massive amounts of debt.
/r/MensRights18/10/20 11:55 PM
0

Why would wanting to know your partners financial health being a gold-digger?
/r/MensRights18/10/20 11:00 PM
3

No, it's an important question. Finances should be discussed in a serious relationship.
/r/MensRights18/10/20 09:03 PM
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morning after pill If you can get it. abortion If it is legal where you live, or you have means to go someplace else. dropping the baby at a fire station Again, then you have to go through an entire pregnancy, and a potentially life-threatening delivery. than the choice of giving your rapist 6+ years pay or going to jail repeatedly because you were a rape victim. Not a contest. Both are unacceptable. And yes, if you are a rapist, you can lose custody.
/r/MensRights16/10/20 11:36 PM
5

It would be interesting to know why he didn't want his generation to stop that horror.
/r/MensRights16/10/20 09:37 PM
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Abortion isn't always available. Safe haven laws Which means she has to endure the pregnany, both the social and medical ramifications. Leaving, claiming not to know who the father is and putting the child up for adoption And this works for a teen? And a woman is meant to leave her job and family and community? Using the state laws that prevent rapist fathers from having custody rights. (Some states that have these laws are gender neutral, most are as the feminist lobbiests proposed them.) Work …
/r/MensRights16/10/20 09:24 PM
7

How did you father respond to his wife abusing his son?
/r/MensRights16/10/20 09:16 PM
9

y'all get salty when women generalized all men as creepy sex pests, but then turn around and treat every interaction with a woman as a means to get sex? This drives me crazy "Don't assume all men are sexual deviants and perverts" vs "Women have no idea the depravity men will go through to get sex."
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/20 05:12 PM
1

I have a friend on Tinder and she has all these guys she talks to for months and never gets together with. I'm with you, what a waste of time.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/20 02:32 PM
1

Sorry, legal parental surrender. "Financial abortion."
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/20 02:31 PM
1

Say the insecure men
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/20 04:00 AM
2

He shouldn't have, but according yo many men here, men often stay with women they don't really like because the alternative of being alone is worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/20 03:37 AM
1

But who cares?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/20 10:45 PM
1

Yes, they know non-incels are/were reading.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/20 10:44 PM
0

I think men getting upset when they found their partner did something sexual with someone else they don't want to do anymore is also a loss.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/20 10:43 PM
2

Giving how some men here respond to knowing the honestly truth, I'd support any women lying.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/20 08:07 PM
1

How about aborting a fetus in the third trimester that isn't hardmful for the mother? I don't think abortion is an issue with a lot of nuance. Either it's a women's right, or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/20 02:23 PM
1

Abortion is an always okay, or never.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/20 05:19 AM
2

It's a right women don't always have.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/20 05:03 AM
1

Medically they can, but some believe the fetus is too developed to abort.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/20 04:55 AM
2

If the fetus is too far along to have an abortion, that is a medical issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/20 04:36 AM
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Yeah so it's a social issue hence socio-economic. A medical issue is not social though. No I agree :)
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/20 03:55 AM
2

Which again a socio-economic issue It could be in accessible for reasons beyond financial, so no. How so? It is well documented that many medications are tested solely on men, are given to women because it's too difficult to test women because they menstruate. Here is more on this, from Yale: https://medicine.yale.edu/news-article/11874/ Yes, a lot of people are still oppressed in the west but not because of their gender. And like I said most of those issues are political ones connected to civil…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/20 03:44 AM
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No, but I think that often discredits the outlier women out there who do have crazy high drives. Men don't believe women can enjoy sex for sex, and we must have some other need like validation or stability.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/20 03:03 AM
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Same with cheating in a past relationship. Some are okay with it, others it's a dealbreaker.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/20 12:26 AM
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If you make abortion in-accessible then you are taking away reproductive rights. Women are also at a disadvantage regarding medication in the west, or only things legally on books? I'm curious, do you think men are oppressed in the west?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/20 12:11 AM
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Legal doesn't mean you can access it or afford it. You might also be too far along to access an abortion.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/20 10:31 PM
1

I find many MRA people want to focus on "women in the west" but men globally when comparing oppression, and it makes zero sense except to push an agenda. He was asking if there are any rights that women in the west don't have that men do. And honestly when you look really closely there aren't any (abortion is still up on the air depending on where you live). And you named one right there, abortion.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/20 09:48 PM
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It always is. "Why should we care so much about women's rights? They are hardly oppressed at all. How are they oppressed in the west?"
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/20 07:37 PM
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You can't share an example of this happening because no man has gone to jail for stealthing. Nice dodge though.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/20 03:33 PM
1

Then yes, we do.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/20 03:19 PM
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No, he doesn't? Show me a single example of a man stealthing that resulting with him in prison?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/20 03:18 PM
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Agreed.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/20 03:18 PM
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No, according to many men here, they will take sex from any women, any time, even if they aren't attracted to her, because men have no agency.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/20 03:08 PM
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I asked a man here about this and he said he frequently lies in the hope that once they connect there wioll be chemistry. So it's the foot-in-the-door strategy.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/20 03:07 PM
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"If we don't include all the places where women are denied human rights, everything looks equal!"
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/20 03:06 PM
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The same way a man 'stealthing' a woman is somehow legal.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/20 03:05 PM
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Haha, yes. I'm also amazed when men assume they are now able to peek into some secret society. The posters at FDS know their comments are being read by men. Nothing is secret there.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/20 03:04 PM
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Hard disagree. I know plenty of men who are in happy, healthy relationships and have plenty of hobbies.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/20 02:59 PM
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Women are no 'constantly offer it.' Women men like to fuck are, but not all women. because women (Unlike men) don’t want to sleep with every individual of the opposite gender so they say no.\ HVM also don't. They know they have value. I spent years working the industry. Trust me that men who are sought after don't sleep with anyone who offers because they don't have sex scarcity issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/20 05:25 AM
1

Could it be that women will say no to subpar sex more often?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/20 05:09 AM
3

Do you think men with a high n-count easy? In a negative way/
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/20 05:02 AM
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I did!
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/20 12:37 AM
1

Can you give me examples of rich women who have tried to be more beautiful, but are objectively "ugly"? I'm not convinced Bill Gates and Zuckerberg care very much about theit physical appreance the way Nicole Kidman would. Their value isn't in apperance.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/20 12:36 AM
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I think genetics has more influence but wealth plays a factor. We would disagree there. And yeah, plastic surgery is a different matter, but often it looks weird imo I guess it depends how well it's done. Much like makeup. But certainly having wealth gives you a hundredfold more options that being poor when it comes to grooming and hygenie.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/20 09:55 PM
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Gold digging definition: a person who dates others purely to extract money from them, in particular a woman who strives to marry a wealthy man. That is different than marrying someone for love.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/20 07:43 PM
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I agree you need both, I'd just differ that I think wealth has a bit more influence. Even take dentistry. If you can't afford to ever see a dentist, and the other person goes every six months and had othodontics as a children, its is most likely the wealthy person will have healthier teeth. Plastic surgery is a whole different matter, from boob jobs to botox.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/20 07:23 PM
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Some people have no chance of being beautiful or even attractive if their face looks like absolute dogshit, no matter how much money they make. Sure, and I would say no matter what genetic makeup you inherit, without grooming and nutrition and dentistry and health, it won't even emerge. After our conversation though, I will meet in the middle and say that looks has both class and caste elements associated with it and does not fit snugly into either box. I didn't mean to say it is 100% class, onl…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/20 06:40 PM
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I don't agree that looks are entirely based on raw genetic potential. Yes, you see some naturally beautiful people living under the poverty line/in slums/shelters. But I'd agree you see a lot more very beautiful people who are rich. Look at Kardashians. They have non-stop access to all the wealth and beauty treatments and surgeries and makeup artists and hair stylists and they are considered a strikingly beautiful family (not to myself, but in media).
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/20 06:13 PM
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As I said before, if you think women can predict the future behavior of their partner, so can men. I think it's rubbish.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/20 06:10 PM
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Hypergamy = gold diggers. Actually no. There is nothing wrong with wanted a better life.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/20 06:09 PM
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I use 'partner' because it's gender non-specific. Can confirm, I do love him tremendously.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/20 06:09 PM
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I can see a link with looks and class. You have better access to everything from nutrition to hairstyling to skin care to clothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/20 06:07 PM
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they weren't in love. If you love your partner, you simply won't be capable of doing those things- nature or not. I think, as others have said, there is the passionate love that fades into a friendship type love. Subs like r/Deadbedrooms are filled with people who love their partner, but their partner doesn't respond to them with physical attention. While I don't condone cheating, I can understand not wanting to leave your partner (and break up your entire family) and still wanting human touch i…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/20 09:34 PM
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Which is why exploring before your one and only marriage leads to problems. I was just confirming your belief was that both man and woman should be virgins on their wedding night.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/20 03:58 AM
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Is being a virgin good?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/20 03:50 AM
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Nobody mentioned raep till you What do you call forcing a woman to do something sexual with you she doesn't want to? If you weren't such a bad troll, I might be offended.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/20 03:05 AM
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If you need to rape a woman to feel like a real man, or to combat your insecurity, then I suggest you seek help. Imagine forcing a women to submit to unwanted and painful sex because you "can't have another dude have any part of her that I also don't get or I'm a simp!" SmFh
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/20 02:02 AM
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Many people who have replied to me have said just that. They woman had better at least "try" to do it with them if they've done it with anyone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/20 12:22 AM
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Sure, I mean, if the women you are with do whatever you say, then you are living the dream. I'm talking about the people saying "If she tried X with anyone in her life, even if she hated it, I get it too!" Talk about disgusting. And all the more clear why women lie to their partners who are that toxic. I hope they die alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/20 12:21 AM
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So everyone should be a virgin. Gotcha.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/20 09:19 PM
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So whatever she did in the past, no matter how painful or humiliating or unsexy she found the act, you feel as her current partner has a "right" to it?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/20 09:19 PM
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Why would anyone think "I get her whole body" if she has said things are unpleasant or painful?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/20 09:17 PM
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It's so gross to even consider this to be a rational way of thinking.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/20 05:58 PM
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Right? I'm a nice guy, now do something sexual you don't like for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/20 05:57 PM
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I don't know. I assumed the person making up the food metaphor knew since they were making the comparison.But I also don't believe it's true about food either.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/20 03:36 PM
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If I was spoon-fed processed sugary fast-food every day for 5 years, you can bet I'd lose all interest in eating wholesome healthy food ever again. So if you were only allowed to have sex with a certain type of body you aren't currently attracted to, would you lose all interest in what you currently are attracted to?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/20 03:33 PM
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I'm not redefining Chad, we just disagree. And 'not as prettyas' doesn't mean dumpster diving.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/20 02:25 PM
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I don't think she is ugly. Anyways, we have established we define 'Chad' differently. Not sure what else you are hoping to get here?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/20 02:13 PM
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I disagree there, unless he isn't interested in the quality of sex (do they women want more, or do they even remember it)? Or if he is valuing himself just for getting into bed. Two different things.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/20 02:12 PM
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You were comparing it to habits and what you crave- do you thinkt he same happens sexually?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/20 02:10 PM
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a relationship with some who openly says they are only with you because they couldn't do better. Shhhhiiiiitttt....busted.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/20 04:14 AM
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Thank you for sharing this. Time to update!
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/20 03:43 AM
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Leo is a celebrity not a realistic comparison Don't move the goal posts. A 'chad' is a 'Chad.' Women can't resist him, right? Arnold Schwarzenegger screwed an ugly maid in the same house as his hot wife. The terminator. Gigachad. Dumster diving simply because he could. I didn't think she was ugly. And who knows? Maybe his wife wasn't into sex. And meth head? Jesus christ way to go to extremes. No the bars we visited weren't frequented by meth heads, at least as far as I recall I mean the most un…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/20 03:42 AM
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Then yes. Although I'd still say a sexually successfully "high value" man would also have to be good at sex, or at least enthusiastic to learn. Unless he solely wants ONS.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/20 03:03 AM
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So you disagree that a men attaining sexual favours from women is a correlation to high status due to the larger amount effort he has to put in? I think it depends what kind of sex. is he hanging out at the end of a house party and dragging a girl too drunk to properly consent to his room? Because no, I don't connect that to "high status." No strings attached is the exact definition of non payment
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/20 02:58 AM
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Large n count. Premise here is him being able to attain sexual favours from multiple women suggest a correlation with high value or desire from the opposite gender. Then I wouldn't consider him worth congratulating. Those could all have been with barely concious women. Now if he was a talented lover, yes, because that also showed that he worked at the craft of sex, not attaining sex. But if a 7 starts believing she’s a 9 just (because men have lower standards for hooking up), her belief she’s no…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/20 02:54 AM
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I would tell her those are dealbreakers forsure no worries, I wouldn't continue a relationship where we are sexually incompatible. This is smart! Yes, I would appreciate it if she tried at least one time with me. Especially if I was new to it and had never tried it, who knows how she reacts at a different time. Why though? What if it turns out to be something you love, and she still hates it? And I still can't agree to it's a good thing to force someone into a sexual act that have said hurts the…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/20 02:50 AM
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In psychology, a psychological autopsy is conducted when a person has successfully ended their life with suicide. The goal of the autopsy is to gather information that will help determine that it was indeed suicide and to assess what, if any, steps could have been taken to prevent the death.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/20 02:48 AM
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With this premise, we can conclude that a man sexually successful is likely someone who put in effort and attained some status. By sexually successful do you mean a large N-count, or they please all their partners? But a dangerous assumption here is women correlating the men they can hook up with as an indicator of their RMV. A woman who’s a 7 might be able to hook up with a 9. But it becomes difficult when she thereafter assume she’s a 9 because, dude hooked up with her so she’s equally valuabl…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/20 02:45 AM
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That's a pretty big claim- that they are falsifying a research paper.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/20 02:42 AM
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You are saying someone who is a "chad." Say Leo DiCaprio. You are telling me, that with his harem of VS models, would go to a dive bar and bring home and have sex with an meth head? He would opt that over calling one of his FWBs or no sex at all for a single night? Riiiiiiiight.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/20 02:41 AM
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They're just not open about it. No way are men open about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/20 02:38 AM
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I'm talking more about giving head or doggystyle. That's fine, if both of those are dealbreakers, and you should tell her. That way your partner doesn't feel pressured, and you have your head and doggystyle. Plus if I had never tried anal and my girl had, I would expect her to at least try again with me and see how she feels. Really? Even if she told you how deepy uncomfortable it was? Just so you felt some other man didn't have something sexual over you? Maybe this is why so many men feel women…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/20 12:55 AM
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There is also this: Women who commit suicide use less violent methods, such as drugs and carbon monoxide poisoning, than do men, who more often use violent methods such as guns and hanging. Theories that attempt to explain this finding focus on gender differences in suicidal intent, socialization, emotions, interpersonal relationships, orientation and access to methods, and neurobiological factors. Data from a psychological autopsy study were used to test the theory that women who commit suicide…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/20 12:52 AM
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Our definitions differ. My definition of doesn't include sleeping with women who disgust him when he could automatically have ones that don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/20 12:45 AM
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Then he would leave that bar and go across the street to get someone he is attracted to, not settle.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/20 11:44 PM
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Someone who doesn't experience sexual scarcity, so doesn't sleep with women who disgust him. No Chad has an ugly mistress.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/20 11:15 PM
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No, we see it very differently, and now I understand why we disagreed. Thanks for the back and forth!
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/20 11:10 PM
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Then we define "Chad" very differently.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/20 10:37 PM
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He's not Chad is he's dumpster diving lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/20 10:34 PM
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So a girl tells you "I tried anal and hated it," your response if "tough shit, if you did it once, you have to do it with me when I wanted. It's called compromise." No one likes to eat other people out or give head Speak for yourself. Giving head is hands down my favourite part of sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/20 10:34 PM
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No and no. Prostitution is illegal, risky and expensive. No, not always. If men are desperate enough to risk having sex with some rando from the bar you call the 'bicycle' you can pay for some sex worker. And no, even the ugliest girl at the seediest bar is waiting for chad. Chad can do better. He doesn't go to seedy bars!
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/20 09:28 PM
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All men have that fear except chad. But not all men act on it. Any man any time of day could pay for sex, or go to the seediest bar in town and bring home someone, yet some men don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/20 09:19 PM
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No it's not that they WANT to sleep with THEM over a good girl. It's just an easy way to scratch the itch they have. So men have no agency to choose sexual partners. If they had the option of sleeping with a virgin they would take that option instead. But the only thing on the table is ham. I would need to see a source on that. I think the 'I only want a virgin' is fairly untrue outside of religious communities, especially for a ONS. I'm really not sure how this works in your mind. Do you think …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/20 09:06 PM
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I still don't get it. Man: I really don't like sluts. Person: Well, you don't have to go anywhere near them Man: No, I want to sleep with them Person: Ok. Then you like them. Man: No. Just to sleep with them. So you like having sex with "sluts" as detached body parts from women?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/20 08:59 PM
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But you have to eat, you don't have to have casual sex. If you really don't like sluts one could easily avoid them for life.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/20 08:50 PM
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So they like sluts when they get some.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/20 08:46 PM
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What does that comment have anything to do with: And again, men aren't getting with sluts for commitment. When did I say that? Casual sex isn't about commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/20 08:42 PM
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And again, men aren't getting with sluts for commitment. When did I say that? Casual sex isn't about commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/20 08:33 PM
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Men would prefer zero women were sluts. As long as casual sex is happening they'd like a slice So sluts are fine to as long as they want to sleep with you. And if a man prefer there are zero sluts, he never has to be with one.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/20 08:21 PM
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Not if he wants to her 'sexually explore' stuff she has already tried and didn't like. That has nothing to do with her feelings for him.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/20 08:06 PM
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It still sounds like sour grapes. "I'm against this unless I get some too." No one is forcing you to sleep with anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/20 07:55 PM
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I don't understand you logic of women shouldn't be sluts unless I get a slut. Either you think women with a high ncount is fine and you also enjoy casual sex, or, you think having hundreds of partners is a bad thing, and you don't sleep with women who have that many partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/20 07:27 PM
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You do realize that there is no possible outcome from this except that he will enter into a transactional relationship with a woman who only loves his value and doesn't value his love. You do realize this, right? Right? No, I don't agree with this. Become the person someone would love. LOL men engage in this emotional labor all the time for women who bring tons of baggage into a relationship (including low self-esteem). Far be it from women to have any sort of empathy. Florence Nightingale was r…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/20 07:22 PM
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So again, being promiscious is fine as long as you get some. If you don't, it's wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/20 07:20 PM
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He could also take some time and work on his self-value. You don't need to be in a relationship every moment of your life, and time alone is good for self-reflection and growth. If he isn't happy with himself, why would he bring someone else in? So they can try and fix him?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/20 04:27 PM
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He is choosing to enter a relationship with another person knowing he doesn't want to be there. That's his choice to make.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/20 04:24 PM
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I also identify as an egalitarian. I see bad behaviour by women lumped into feminist the same way bad behaviour from men gets lumped into MRM. There is also a lot of gatekeeping ("They aren't one of us") happening.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/20 04:00 PM
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That's true. And it is easier to blame someone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/20 03:57 PM
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So they like it if the women will sleep with them, but if they won't, then it's bad. Got it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/20 03:47 PM
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There are men that shoot and kill women simply for being women, and you believe they represent the MRM?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/20 03:42 PM
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I don't know what he should do, except not a blame a woman who doesn't want to be his "you or nothing" and leaves.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/20 03:40 PM
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Men would prefer zero women were sluts. No, many men enjoy casual sex as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/20 02:50 PM
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It's amazing some men still believe that they should have sexual access to as many women as they can because it's a positive, but if a woman enjoys also sex, she should be shamed.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/20 02:50 PM
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Nothing?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/20 02:44 PM
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I disagree, all of the things you list, like personality and frame, can be extremely attractive without getting to know them- confidence and fun can be seen from across the room.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/20 02:18 PM
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Never once have a I see someone who is a feminist decalre women are the superior gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/20 02:17 PM
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I'm sure some did. I'm talking solely about the men left at last call.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/20 02:15 PM
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So you agree a short chubby man can be an 8/10! We agree!
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/20 04:12 AM
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If your not ~+8 as a male, your doing all the approaching and soaking all the rejections.... No duh attraction is more than looks. But initial attraction, from a distance with no other factors, is all about looks. "8/10" is not used as a measure for "posture, style, presence, demeanor." All of those can be achieved by non traditionally-attractive men.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/20 03:59 AM
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But initial attraction, from a distance with no other factors, is all about looks. No, it's not. Are you dressed nicely? Are you with friends? What are you drinking? Is everyone your peer group upbeat? Etc etc. Way more than just looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/20 03:22 AM
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Believe it or not attraction might not be all about looks. Thank you!!!!
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/20 03:21 AM
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It’s on display every Saturday night. Worked at a nightclub for years, and this is true. On display, it's a depressing sight.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/20 03:19 AM
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What women say they are better than men?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/20 03:14 AM
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Your original post is about men not being good enough for women since they don’t improve themselves and you think they are entitled . No, my OP was about what can men do that will be successful beyond telling women to date guys that are their looksmatch. Most women don’t even excercise ffs, and they are the type to go for the most attractive high value men anyway. So? If they get the men, the men agree they have that level of value. If they don't, they can be alone. t the same time, men who migh…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/20 04:37 PM
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Good point. Don't marry someone you already feel is beneath you.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/20 04:33 PM
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I don't agree. The same as I don't believe all men who are happily married would leave their wife in a second to be with an 18 year old.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/20 03:30 PM
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Sorry, I'll remove my comments.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/20 02:12 PM
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No, they’re normal men who has normal social life and normal attractiveness and are just stuck like that because the things they can’t change like height, face, and various other things. I don't believe it's that simple. I know plenty of men who aren't in the top 10% of men who lead happy lives with wives, so it can't just be 'unless you are 6' you have no chance.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/20 02:11 PM
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Do you think the opposite is true? If you told men they could only ever have sex would morbidly obese women, would that eventually be the only sex they crave?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/20 02:09 PM
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I'm sorry. I wasn't trolling, I was trying to be sarcastic.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/20 04:18 AM
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She says: I won't date men who make less than 100K a year. If she still gets offers, she is correct in her assesment of her value to men that make over 100K a year.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/20 03:32 AM
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Which means she isn't overvaluing herself.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/20 03:17 AM
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This is spot-on. Thank you.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/20 03:11 AM
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She doesn't settle. She sets the bar, and doesn't take desperate men.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/20 03:09 AM
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No, it means that there are still men out that that she can attract based on herself-evaluation. She has never over-valued herself as long as men she desires want her.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/20 03:02 AM
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Then she isn't over-valuing herself if she is still getting her desired partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/20 01:23 AM
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They still play the game, they just leverage their inherent value to punch above their looksmatch. If someone 'overvalues' themselves they won't get a partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/20 12:20 AM
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Apologies, my bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/20 11:47 PM
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Adding a bigger nest to yours is by definition hypergamy. Especially when you only seek this. And why is that wrong? People have the freedom to date whoever they like, for whatever reason they choose.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/20 11:45 PM
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Why not do better? Add nest egg to a bigger nest agg? I would also suspect at an elite private school, there wasn't a surplus of men living below the poverty line to choose from.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/20 11:39 PM
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Sure, and I'm sure if she's hot enough guys will let that happen as well. I assume you have heard of trophy wives.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/20 11:29 PM
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He pays for the house, the lights, your food and water but you think him not doing half the housework you're too lazy to do is him not contributing? So then you (again, adult) talk to your partner and say "If I'm working and you're staying at home, these is my list of expectations." They can stay or leave. But you have discussed it. You don't pay for your mother to do those things though? A partner is someone who picks up the slack wherever that may be. So you consider a marriage you paying some…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/20 11:20 PM
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Does not follow. Though your irrelevant fantasy there is indeed gross. An obsession with marriage is pretty gross too....Why are you making up some weird shit? Where did I write that? Agree with you on the marriage obsession. You keep saying women can't change- that if they didn't want to date someone when they were at their peak, they can't mature and have different taste. The hypocracy of 'men should explore and experiment when they are young/sow wild oats' yet shaming women for doing it is ri…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/20 10:50 PM
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How? In my scenario, the man is working 10 hours a day and the woman is working 2 and bitching about it but somehow I'm infantalizing men? Yes, by saying he is now either unwilling or unable to contribute in any way to his grown up life. I don't care if he works 20 hours a day, if he thinks leaving dirty dishes and laundry around the house for someone to trail behind him and pick up, he wants a mommy not a partner and a lover. And like I said in the first place, it turns in a tit-for-tat just li…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/20 10:48 PM
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So no need to use euphemisms. Generally women become less attractive with age, their options dwindle and they act accordingly, but they themselves did not really change beyond that. They just make do with what they have left. It is like losing some tool, not being able to use it anymore and dealing with things differently by necessity does not necessarily make you more mature. What euphemism did I use? Why? Why do you think men should be happy to be considered for settling down by women who have…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/20 10:36 PM
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That's feminist garbage. People who think that way tend to be ones who are insanely sensitive and freak out about bullshit like micro aggressions and see rapists in every shadow. Paranoid to the extreme. I disagree. I think there is a serious lack of reflection from anyone who insists everyone around them in in the wrong, and they know exactly how everyone else feels and why. Yup. Fuck growth. People only grow when they're absolutely forced to, usually by someone who didn't have to "grow" becaus…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/20 10:34 PM
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Adults do shit they don't want to do. When did I say they don't? Expecting to have your existence paid for and be able to pick and choose what meager work around the house you can contribute with is just juvenile as fuck. Expecting to not be an adult anymore because you'r emarried? Fuck off with that nonsense. Don't be a child expecting a maid, be real now. So you're saying that instead of just doing the housework you want to have him do half? So he's working 10 hours a day and you're working 2 …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/20 10:31 PM
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I'm not so sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/20 10:30 PM
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Yes the mature thing is too look at what things need to be done to maintain the household, talk about who enjoys what, who has time on certain days, who really hates one certain task, etc. You know, act like adults.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/20 09:25 PM
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Not really. The guys who give off that vibe are Chad's and men with options. Not your average guy who hasn't been on a date or in a relationship in months. That guy is quite happy just to have a date that may turn into more. I don't think the person themselves is the best judge of how they make others feel though. I've had too many conversations with men here who swear up and down everything they did was perfect and they were still left for zero reason. Definitely disagree. I find it very attrac…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/20 09:17 PM
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Accepting the existing dating pool for an older woman. LOl. Also fine. No argument. Obviously that is not the kind of "maturing" that would make the "impacted" men feel good about themselves and the future of their relationships. This is what I don't get. I worked at a HS, and there was no army of men looking to get married at 18. Why do you think women should?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/20 09:14 PM
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Regardless, there are way more men who don't give off that vibe who would be thrilled to be in a relationship. I think there are men who don't think do, but they do. Which leads to 'she left me for no reason.' Most women just don't want those guys because their gasp desperate. Women despise desperation, where as most men don't. Both should despise it. I find it deeply unattractive. Hence, women have all the power because they're not desperate. No, men give in to their desperation. Woman can also…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/20 08:55 PM
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Happy cake day. Same, a good future is absolutely a dealbreaker for many women, and I too have never been asked about my past (which I was still single and dating).
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/20 08:38 PM
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This is why I like the outlook of 'perfect for me' over perfect person. I also believe, as you mention, what we are attracted to changes as we mature, but many men take this as a slight, and that women past a certain age just want money. had a full head of hair that was any color but red. Which is funny because my dealbreaker at that age was that he had to be redhaired (lucky Ireland had no shortage).
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/20 08:35 PM
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When most men leave relationships, they're alone for months or even years. When most women leave relationships, they're alone until they don't want to be anymore. This may be true, but I feel like it's circular. Because then when the man does meets someone new, he gives off the "I don't care who you are, I just want sex," which in turn, turns many women off, and they leave.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/20 08:30 PM
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So woman (and men) can have have whatever outlandish standards they like- if it nets them a partner, they weren't outlandish, if they don't find a partner they can lower their standards, work on themselves or choose to be alone. With some things, it's an interesting discussion of do we choose what we are attracted to?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/20 07:41 PM
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Privilege is now not staying in a relationship with zero attraction? No one is forcing men into these relationships, and I encourage them to also leave.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/20 07:38 PM
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the difference is that women exclusively go for guys more attractive than her. Guys also try for the most attractive girls as well. They may not get them as often as women, but I don't believe men don't try. A lot of guys are enough to go for women way less attractive than them, but no matter how desperate a woman is she won’t go for a 3/10 guy. I would agree with this to a degree, but only because I think men have more scarcity fears, and probably aren't judged as much by their friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/20 07:36 PM
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They do date the richest/most attractive women they can though. Do you mean (and I'll use numbers for simplicity) if a 6/10 man goes out to a club and connects with a 9/10 woman, he will back away and go for a 6/10 woman to be "fair"?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/20 07:14 PM
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I'm providing a reason as to why women move out of relationships quickly and without "reason." Nothing is less flattering than feeling like the man is with you only because you haven't rejected him yet.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/20 06:59 PM
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Men also date the "best" partner they can attract.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/20 06:57 PM
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When we met first we were both with other people, but when we reconnected and were both single, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/20 05:09 PM
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Then you should meet better woman, or re-exaime why you are judging them.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/20 05:05 PM
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What do you mean? What would people be dishonest about? professing love when just wanting sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/20 04:58 PM
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What's wrong with dating for the sake of dating?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/20 04:46 PM
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Most men have a scarcity mentality, so they take what they can get. Which may be why women want to leave to quickly, if they sense the man is only with them because he is worried he has no other options. That's not attractive at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/20 04:43 PM
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How do you define manipulation?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/20 04:40 PM
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I've been married for decades now, but when I was single, all of my relationships were physical from the get go.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/20 02:38 PM
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I think they start wanting to see it everywhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/20 02:37 PM
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Sometimes it feels like some guy saw an article about something shady one woman did once, and paint that over billions of us.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/20 04:16 AM
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Men do date up when they have the opportunity.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/20 02:21 AM
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Because I have seen that dissolve into tit-for-tat in too many relationships. If you end up having a SAHP, you should both sit down and work out who will do what.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/20 09:14 PM
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Hard disagree, and I've been on both sides of the breadwinner equation.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/20 08:15 PM
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Or be mature enough to work out your household management as equals.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/20 07:41 PM
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So? Is that meant to be proof of that the patriachy exists and men benefit from it?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/20 05:47 PM
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These are the women who have no top dudes.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/20 05:20 PM
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And we shouldn't assume everyone gets one person. That has never happened.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/20 04:33 PM
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So women do date laterally and date people below them?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/20 04:32 PM
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Because it's human nature to want to better your situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/20 04:31 PM
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Not at all. I like that until the day will die I will learn new things from his life before me.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/20 04:21 AM
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Whether people want to accept it or not, women's sexual nature does not promote equality. Why is that the end goal?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/20 03:13 AM
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Other parts of the chase are a pain in the ass Like what?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/20 03:12 AM
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Either we understand the lovesick make bad choice, or we don't. Really no need to gender this.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/20 01:05 AM
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Golddigging is adjacent in shittiness to scamming the elderly because they're gullible and do not know better. We can't give men a pass on being gullible, if we don't do the same for women. People who think they are in love do silly things, regardless of gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/20 12:56 AM
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I think it's all about knowlege. A woman is pretty scum if she professes love, then leaves the second she can legally take half. Same with a dude who tells someone vulnerable that their feelings are genuine, only to run out the door before the condom even comes off. Having said that, neither are illegal.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/20 12:55 AM
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No, I know plenty of men who also enjoy flirting.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/20 12:53 AM
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Oh, I thought we meant men who don't or won't do any getting to know the girl. Meet at a club immediate sex type. Going on dates, imo, is the romance part.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/20 12:52 AM
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Sex is the ultimate way for a women to freely say a guy is alrigth with them. What do you mean? Physically all right?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/20 12:27 AM
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Each to their own. I like flirting far too much.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/20 12:25 AM
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The big exceptions to what? You would need to provide a source here.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/20 10:26 PM
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I'm not sure. I work in the NFP sector and we have plenty of tall liberal men.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/20 08:51 PM
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Of course! I would hate to know all of his past.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/20 08:49 PM
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Those are some MAGA cheekbones you were born with.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/20 03:29 PM
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I'm not certain. Op just said "tall."
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/20 03:28 PM
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In what universe would a normie say no to a woman offering to skip the bullshit and just have sex? Have you met a human male? That's fine. I like the build up, even if it's just through one evening.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/20 03:28 PM
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Fantastic comment!
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/20 03:25 PM
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So women can either settle with a right wing dick, who fucks them good and they are attracted to, or a left wing simp, who they are not attracted to, but displays "high value" traits (aka feminism). So, just no. Why do so many men want to believe that men are two dimensional? I think 99% of men fall in the area between being a rick wing dick and a simp.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/20 03:24 PM
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Don't forget height! If you are over a certain height you must be a conservative!
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/20 03:23 PM
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I know so many things about him and his life. An arbitrary number seems rather insignificant.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/20 02:26 PM
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What a world. PC-landia.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/20 04:57 AM
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It's the classic chicken vs the egg debate: did they turn to porn because porn or because their wives tuned them out sexually? It's the classic chicken vs the egg debate: Do women go outside the relationship because their men turned to porn? Happens all the time, unfortunately. Just ask Melania Trump - while you can. Assuming COVID-19 gives you the chance to. Nooo!! I'm not even a Yank and I hope they are both okay! Are you Quebecois? Or AFHM?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/20 04:56 AM
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I am suggesting women come to realize that they can't get that 6'2 man because they're rare, and they resent it for life. That doesn't always lead to cheating and I never said it did, no matter how desperately you try to spin it as me saying that. But it does lead to them losing attraction for their 5'9 man that they were stuck with. Which means starfish sex and dead bedrooms. Do you also readall the DeadBedrooms posts of women randy af who have husbands who turn to porn instead of the real wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/20 04:33 AM
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Not in this thread. "If I get my 20, and he gets his 30....who get's that hundred?" Show me similar with genders reversed?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/20 04:30 AM
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I'm not always convinced jail is the best for either, but in theory, equality.
/r/MensRights03/10/20 04:14 AM
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Don't rape anyone and don't lie about being raped. That seems as basic as it comes.
/r/MensRights03/10/20 04:10 AM
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I didn't say they'd leave, I said they'd lose attraction for shorter men. That's different. You said: Women may settle for 5'9 men but they do not stay attracted for long when they know 6'2 men are out there. But they knew tall men existed before they got married? Are you suggesting these women just discovered this? They should not have to. It's just not entirely the same as a short man who can never change his height. Women can escape their problem, men cannot. Tha's not the problem. The premis…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/20 04:10 AM
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You make women sound like cattle.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/20 03:06 AM
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Well, I guess if you are only interest in having sex with tons of virgins, because they are most likely children, that's one evil monster, but many religious folks want a virgin, and there is nothing wrong with that preference.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/20 03:04 AM
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I'm sorry that happened to you. There is nothing wrong with only wanting virgins, either.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/20 02:04 AM
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So why did you say people shouldn't lie? Also pretty obvious?
/r/MensRights03/10/20 02:02 AM
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Isn't a virgin? I haven't heard of that before.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/20 12:28 AM
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a lot of men have to make a choice between "being themselves" and having an abysmally small dating pool versus pretending to be someone they aren't. Then they have decided that pretending to be someone else is their best bet. But I believe we all do this to a degree. A point I'm trying to make is that simply saying "be yourself" is easy to say when you live in a reality where you can still have a sufficiently large pool of dating options to your satisfaction. It really depends on who "yourself" …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/20 12:26 AM
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there are very few two parent homes in poverty lmao. I wish I lived where you live.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/20 07:13 PM
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Okay. You believe a middle class, single parent (do you include widowed? Those are single family homes) with a dedicated parent, raising a kid nearly extended family more unstable than two unememployed addicts moving their kids around the country every few months. Glad you can see nuance and complexity in human relationships :)
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/20 07:03 PM
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By why bother to gender it? We gendered the notion of rape and now have to backtrack to include men, which should have been there since the start.
/r/MensRights02/10/20 06:52 PM
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Or just don't rape people?
/r/MensRights02/10/20 06:51 PM
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You made a whole post, and one word answers are how you will respond? Is it a topic you actually want to discuss, but this is confusing.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/20 06:50 PM
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Naw, maybe when they are young. Or if you deem them to have sexual value.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/20 06:48 PM
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Okay, so why assume a single parent household is unstable? You can have a less stable house with two people.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/20 06:47 PM
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No, a woman who could not bear children did not have value if the value of women comes from having children.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/20 04:55 PM
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So you can't define how you are using stable?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/20 02:43 PM
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No, if he doesn't want a girl with a lot of previous experience, that's absolutely his choice. Plenty of men have no issue with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/20 02:42 PM
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What a nice, refreshing attitude. I like this. Happy Friday!
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/20 02:41 PM
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You said women would leave their partners to cheat with men who were 6'2". Women could change their weight, but why should they have to? You message seems to be you should love the person regardless of physical apperance (weight/height).
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/20 02:40 PM
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Apologies.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/20 02:38 PM
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Not OP, but But why would people work? Some people enjoy their work. Would women get annoyed because men are constantly wanting to have sex with them? Not if they also enjoyed the sex, and sex frequency. Would men get annoyed because women wouldn’t have sex with them? I don't agree that all men want more sex than women. A trip to r/Deadbedrooms will sure than- many women outpace men in terms of sex drive. Would children have stable family structures? Define stable? Or would it be mostly single m…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/20 05:02 AM
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You said, do not stay attracted for long when they know 6'2 men are out there 6'2 men are out there. Again, if men sometimes reject women for weight (you agree) and women sometimes reject men for weight (I agree). It has been my experience that men want women who are smaller and weigh less than them, and women want men who bigger and taller. Feel free to dispute any of this.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/20 04:30 AM
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I will as well. I legit just said very short men will have challenges. I just don't define that as 5'11", as you do.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/20 04:06 AM
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Then I'm just sad you chose to run in those circles. We are in a similar age and I have had no experiences of women who have been happily married and have created families and raised children, shutting down and refusing to have sex because they have realised after decades of marriage, their partner is 5'11. And sure, I debated with someone here who said fat women should hate themselves and die. I will agree that generally if you are very short as a man you will likely have trouble dating the wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/20 03:57 AM
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It does seem to occupy an insane amount of some peoples minds here. It seems so arbitrary to be considered such an indicater of personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/20 02:49 AM
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Chiming in as old, married person, my peers are not running out on their families in droves to sleep with tall men. Though what a funny reality to believe.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/20 02:49 AM
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man must be taller than woman, man must be 6' That's just rubbish. The average man here is 5'9....half of the male population isn't single. Generally, women don't want a man unless he's bigger, stronger, taller, older, richer, more successful, more in control, and higher-status than they are. That's funny because I have seen many men say they want their girlfriends/wives to be more submissive, smaller, thinner than they are. I think everyone wants the best partner they can get, and I don't see a…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/20 12:52 AM
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I like your perspective. I find some people might be better off not knowing all the nsfw details because they do get jealous, or stuck in a "if you did that with him, why not me?"
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/20 12:47 AM
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Maybe because I grew up with just brothers, or because I have an (at times) really depressing and upsetting career, but the darker the humor the better. I am from Ireland, so the sense of humor there (I live in Canada now) is really bleak. We are out here!
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/20 12:46 AM
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I would say it's equally useless to ask a man if you want to know the truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/20 08:34 PM
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Don't be obtuse.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/20 06:13 PM
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Why would that be bad, if she isn't doing it now? I hope you also bring the same level of chastity.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/20 06:12 PM
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Sex does not need to be serious at all, unless you are into the every other Friday, lights off and lift the nightie sex. You can have it. Sex should be pretty silly sometimes.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/20 06:11 PM
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I'd suspect she'd only lie if her partner was a judgemental prick, in which case she should do better.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/20 06:07 PM
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Good point, I remember being a teenager and it seemed so important. But if I ever found myself dating again, I would never even consider asking.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/20 04:00 PM
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I found a feckin incredible man, but I brought to the table as much as he did. We are equals...which is the only way I see long term relationships/marriages being successful.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/20 04:34 AM
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Oh yes, and the response from men that I've always met the "right" ones. lmao.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/20 03:49 AM
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Yes! It's always about validation. Like, we can't even enjoy sex without it having to be a part of male ego. I don't want your validation, I just want to enjoyably scratch that itch.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/20 03:24 AM
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Nah, whenever a woman writes about her cheating in a thread that asks women to, you see long paragraphs about the guy she cheated on. That is scummy It’s more genuine when they talk about it, I don't agree with this. Men cheat and don't say a thing about it, then often justify doing it after the fact. I also notice men use the "it was only physical" more than women. doesn’t make it less shitty though. I agree with you there. Cheaters are shitty.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/20 01:25 AM
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Totally bizarre, and I have seen this as well. There is this weird thing about the notch (or number) having more value than the actual experience of sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/20 01:22 AM
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You need to meet better woman. All my girlfriends have hobbies.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/20 11:24 PM
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As compared to men, women are far more coy with how they speak about their shenanigans. So men outwardly show off and brag that they are cheaters?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/20 11:22 PM
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Well, then we get to agree on that. That's a good thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/20 11:18 PM
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That's true- I mean someone not trying to achieve perfection, posting a curated "fake perfect" life on Instragram. Someone who enjoys being human :)
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/20 11:18 PM
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Yes, I agree it's rare, and I lucked out in my partner, who is the most creative person I know.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/20 11:16 PM
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Society talks about it too. Do I need to share articles written about this? It was a huge scandal and people bring it up all the time. And for real, you think people should go to jail for saying something with no evidence or victim? That's a scary precident.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/20 09:16 PM
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She is all the time. Rarely doesn't a day go by when someone doesn't make a post about it, exactly like in this very thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/20 09:11 PM
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This is very true, and I agree with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/20 09:11 PM
1

Again, it's not really much of a choice when a person wants a good partner but those two things are their only choices. It's sad for sure, but everyonw isn't "owed" a great partner. There is no way to make that happen. he women that can't get who they want and are faced with losers vs single will just stay single and buy sex toys. That could be true. Though I'd apply it to men as well. I read a lot from men who said they have settled for porn.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/20 08:48 PM
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I don't think fat people should have a healthy self-esteem. That is your opinion, and you can have. I think people should love themselves. t's called not being a biased piece of shit, a topic you will likely never know about. I'm sorry you are sad :(
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/20 08:37 PM
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You consider dying alone or sub-standard/low-quality partners as a choice? Yeesh. Of course. Many men (and woman) choose to stay single and lead happy lives. Some of them don't have that liberty of sleeping with desirable men so in their case, it's either losers or nobody. Same as above. That's true. Though I see less super thirsty , desperate women who would have sex with anyone at all, than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/20 08:36 PM
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Cardi B says something, no one comes forward, she is not charged. Trump says something, no one comes forward, he is not craged. Yes, I see the striking difference in response here.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/20 08:34 PM
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average man, that average women overrate themselves, and that we should be treating average women just like average men Who is the we? It's men who are giving her attention, and she has a healthy self esteem. I'm not sure why you want to hate on that. You aren't saying anything to refute. If anything, you should be critcizing men, and not woman, if you genuinely believe what you type.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/20 08:33 PM
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There is no proof Trump’s “grab em by the Pussy” wasn’t locker room talk, and it’s still used today to “prove” he has committed sexual assault. No. He was also not legally charged with "pussy grabbing"
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/20 08:28 PM
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most women are attracted to men who ignore them/are aloof/assholes. The reality is women want to fuck these men because they want to gain the validation from them. Hard no on most. And this may be news to you, but they might just want to have sex with them because they are attracted to them, not for validation. Confidence, ambition, creativity, intelligence, dark humor, sarcasm, fringe interests, non-perfection.....
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/20 08:27 PM
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Again, I don't understand what your point is. If a fat girl thinks she's hot shit, goers out and gets paid, how it that infringing on your life in any way? Who cares if someone thinkgs their beautiful, especially if she still has a line up of men drooling? I know of many overweight women who are still considered beautiful.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/20 08:24 PM
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There is no proof she wasn't just bullshitting though. And barely any guys I know are ever going to admit they got raped... doesn’t mean they didn’t Right, but without a reported crime nothing can be done.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/20 08:23 PM
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It's not really much of a choice when you want to be accepted by women but none of them really give you the time of day. Men are very competitive online and in dating in general so that means that a lot of men are going to be left out of women's choices altogether. It is absolutely a choice. It might not be one a man wants to make, but it is still his choice to partner with someone he already feels isn't a good partner, or to stay single. No, because women are pickier than men. They'd rather hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/20 08:22 PM
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Haha, that's true. I have seen people refer to stay-at-home mothers as gold-diggers.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/20 07:57 PM
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men are typically expected to "lead the relationship," men are supposed to possess whatever qualities that women are looking for, but also deal with whatever their partner is lacking. I don't agree. Men aren't being forced into relationships with a partner they feel is "lacking." They might choose to be with someone they don't want to be with because it's better than being alone, but they are making that choice. because women don't want to have sex with who they would consider to be "losers" at …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/20 07:56 PM
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Someone being hot or not is subjective though. You might think that fat women are universally unattractive, but others might disagree.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/20 07:54 PM
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Maybe it's a cultural thing, because where I am, ther are distinctly different. That would be like saying a prostitute is a gold-digger. They aren't, they have a transaction they both agreed to.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/20 07:35 PM
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Again, mis-rating themselves how? Posting on Insta "I'm a hot woman"? I don't understand why that has any relevance. If she goes out and gets a bunch of male attention, she likely feels attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/20 07:35 PM
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The woman in a sugardaddy arrangement is open, he knows outright that he is paying for her company. A gold-digger doesn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/20 07:32 PM
1

Gold-digging and having a sugardaddy are two different things though.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/20 07:28 PM
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How are men who are choosing to have sex with women they personally are unattracted not in full control over that decision?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/20 07:27 PM
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I disagree for long term relationships/marriage. I think both men and women look for more than just physical attraction when looking for a life partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/20 07:26 PM
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If you don't think there's a contemporary phenomenon of average bitches misrating themselves or thinking they are hot shit when they are actually fat and/or uninteresting slags, then we are at an impasse, and likely won't agree on much beyond this, unfortunately. Mis-rating themselves how?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/20 07:24 PM
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Aren't they different though? In a sugardaddy relationship everyone knows what's up, that might not be true for p&d.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/20 07:24 PM
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Cardi B says she did, but not a single man has come forward to press charges.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/20 07:08 PM
0

Why is a sugardaddy relationship immoral?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/20 07:08 PM
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you're delusional if you don't think men settle for uggos and fatties literally all the time. If men decide to have sex with people they aren't attracted to, that's their decision. It has nothing to do with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/20 07:02 PM
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In this context, "bettering themselves" is a bit different for men and women though. Men have to have and be a laundry list of things to get the attention of women. ...Women have to be physically attractive (to the man in question) for the most part and men have to be physically capable whether that be physically, financially, or socially. Again, I think it depends what you are looking for. A life partner, or a one-night-stand? I think both men and women looks for different thinsg depending what…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/20 06:56 PM
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Right, I get that men will still want them anyway. However, when they complain that they can't find the men that they want, or can't secure the men that they want, they're puzzled as to why, and act as though they "deserve" who they want without the actual effort of being who someone of high desirability would want, and only the effort that they put into their looks should matter since that's all it took for every other guy to jump on her. Yeah, i mean you will only attract what you will attract…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/20 06:11 PM
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some women believe that putting makeup on is all the "effort" that they need to put into attracting who they're looking for and make it seem as though women don't need to put any effort into their personality/who they are. And for some women, this is true. There is no shortage of men who want to date/have sex with, beautiful women. The general feel/theme I get from women in dating is that they expect to simply show up and judge their date based on his performance/ability to make her laugh and ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/20 04:19 PM
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I think many people are happy being monogamous. I have a few friends in open marriages and in all cases one person wants it more than the other, so I think finding a true and genuine balance for an open relationship is achievable, but rare. It also becomes more complicated when you have children/ children with other people in the poly.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/20 02:41 PM
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Sure, but that is on the other person to choose them.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/20 02:38 PM
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Thank you for posing this question! I have had so many conversations with men who have said that everything they do (or feel they can't do) has been for the validation of women. I look forward to reading this thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/20 04:31 AM
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Isn't everyone who is trying to attract a partner, want to attract the best one possible based on what that partner wants?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/20 04:28 AM
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Good woman is a subjective metric because everyone will have a different way to measure Those are wise words, and I agree. :)
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/20 03:07 AM
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That's what I find disturbing. If they went after the same dudes in the 30's as their 20's I think a lot more men would be fine with it, but these women want to have their cake and eat it too. I don't think those Betabux men deserve it but since we feed all men the blue pill since birth, most of them don't realize they are being taken advantage of. Why noy say that about men who get ripped off after divorce because once they got successful they chose to marry an 18 year old supermodel and not an…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/20 02:34 AM
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The thing is, men want a woman that actually loves them. That's hard to find. And woman want a man that actually loves them as well. I believe in that regard the genders are more alike than different. If she was going after hard bodied Chad's in her 20's, you're fooling yourself if you think she actually loves your teddy bear ass. She likely just wants the stability you can offer her, if not the money. Then I would say the man has all the power to make the decision. If he feels she is after his …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/20 12:41 AM
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That's trouble- you are applying an idea that all women are the same, and have the same motivations. but then why are you asking on this thread why men won’t take that deal? Isn’t it obvious to you? What you are presenting is a raw deal. Not every women in her 30s is dating you for your money.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 11:56 PM
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It depends on a lot. Back when they were kids, was he outgoing and confident and funny? The kind of person she would want to date? Did he ask her out and laughed in his face, even know he existed? Did they date and break up because he wanted more commitment than she did? Or did he become outgoing and confident and funny as his self-confidence went up because of how well his life turned out? You can't see why this is a raw deal for the man? It's a raw deal if he takes it. He doesn't have to.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 11:15 PM
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Someone will change to stop the pattern.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 11:13 PM
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Everyone does. You can really only work on yourself though.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 11:08 PM
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You realize that there are multiple overlapping movements targeting men as the blame for everyone’s problems and if you bring up our higher suicide rate, the response is that women make more attempts. It’s a shit show. I see a lot of discussion on male suicide. It a big problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 11:07 PM
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So why would a man who's getting more attractive want to date a woman who's getting less attractive? Or why would a women can date a rich man date a poor one? Which is kind of what this thread is about. You are setting up a damned if they do, damned if they don't scenerio for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 09:26 PM
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Great point. Being a SAHP is a risky decision.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 09:25 PM
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So why don't men say it? Seems like a pretty shitty message to tell young men, when you could do better.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 09:25 PM
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No one, man or woman, is owed sex from anyone desire. No one is owed having a partner who will pay for all their stuff either.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 09:24 PM
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But why would men want to teach that to others by repeating it? Isn't that the opposite of building up?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 09:23 PM
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You're basing that on...? The notion that you could be unattractive as an 18 year old, and be attractive as a 40 year old. You seem to think that can't happen. How many men have a secretary by the time they are middle age? That's a very specific class of man and a minority of that group...plus a 1960s trope, not one that you hear much about since the 1980s. So that's not even a remote comparison to what is going on with young women and dating. Disagree. There are plenty of men who seek out young…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 06:33 PM
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Neither to TRP or mgtow crowd. Let us all preform for everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 05:19 PM
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Its more that they understand no one is perfect at 19 and see imperfect women lust after older guys or at least the top tier 19 year old guys instead of getting with the guys that are similarly imperfect and of the same age. No, it's saying that a man is so perfect at that age that he can never better himself. Of course that is a gross generalization of a more nuanced trend, but in some form it is there and guys do have a reason to be judgmental of their same age peer women. I mean, I think it's…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 05:18 PM
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Women, as they age, simply lose value. To you. You might need to date 18 year olds because anyone else is a diminshed value. But I know plenty of men that are happily with partners that aren't teens, and don't feel their partners are diminished. Now, how would you feel knowing your partner is with you only because now you've got more money and she has gained 10 kilos? Or he went bald and is unemployed and she looks great? What a silly comment. Besides, yes, if you didn't like me when I was 23 an…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 02:53 PM
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Why don't men ever see a different perspective on this? Maybe the man also became a more attractive (in all ways, not just physical) as he grew up? This seems to indicate that men believe they are perfect at 19, and have no capacity for more growth.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 02:37 PM
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Sometimes? More that they know they are being read, then quotes are taken from FDS and shared on other subreddits and discussed. Hell, there is a sticky on PPD. What they discuss is not "secret women-only" strategy they don't want men to find out.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 02:30 PM
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What are they meant to do? Sleep with people they aren't attracted to?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 02:28 PM
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I know many women who dabble for the same reason men read TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 02:28 PM
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Sorry :(
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 01:31 PM
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Own it!
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 05:04 AM
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Yes, someone consenting to sexual attention is different than rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 05:03 AM
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Comments recived: Rape isn't special, only in your mind If a guy gets raped it's ok because he likes sex. Because they are participating in the fucking too and I'm not forcing them in any way?If she just gave up, it's not rape. Some women are so promiscuous and mentally ill that their conduct drives them to be raped more than once in a life span Promiscuity and false rape claims go hand in hand a lot
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 04:58 AM
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No "Rape isn't that big of a deal." Several users in one of my posts here shared that sentiment.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 04:44 AM
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In my last post here I here I had several responses saying "rape isn't as big a a deal as women say it is." Edit: just recognized username! Hi!
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 04:42 AM
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Everyone is looking out for their interests. Largely agree. If you are expecting women to be aware of the plight of men and understand; then you will be sorely disappointed. And reverse genders and I agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 04:41 AM
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It's not as though people have a right to not be approached or not spoken to. In a sexual way, it depends. You can't follow someone around and say "I wanna fuck you." As for the other stuff, you're always free to walk away or not engage with people that you don't want to, but don't expect others to know beforehand whether it was okay for them to talk to you or not. Again, I think it depends what you are doing. Talking to someone, if you aren't being a creep, is ususally fine, though that's not w…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 04:40 AM
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True, I have an edit.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 04:37 AM
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I was referring to reading FDS. I am sorry you have had such poor experiences with women. I'm old now (married for decades), but there seems to be a lot more lonely people (men in particular) now, and I wonder how much online dating and social media contribute to this.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 03:10 AM
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Okay, so why not go and be happier? Why keep reading if it it's not making you happy?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 02:40 AM
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But some people are acting like FDS is them peeking into some secret club, and that they are finally hearing the "real information" from the women who post there. It's ridiculous.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 02:39 AM
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There is absolutely a show for Reddit, or they would make it private. It's not bad, look at all the entertainment people get from it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 01:10 AM
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What's wrong with that? It's their sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 12:58 AM
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The women who hope for more but don't get it are obviously going to feel hurt or disappointed. The women who do enjoy casual sex aren't the ones who will feel hurt or disappointed though, because what they wanted was the sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/20 10:45 PM
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I'm sorry if I came off as snarky. Ireland (bless it's heart) has been a bit behind the times on several issues. I mean, you couldn't legally get divorced until the 90s.
/r/MensRights27/09/20 08:49 PM
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Then I'll never know because I haven't seen it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/20 08:46 PM
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I'm from Ireland. It was 2018.
/r/MensRights27/09/20 08:45 PM
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But what I mean is it's not some kind of secret club where women are trading secrets, or talking like they do IRL with their girl friends. They are putting on a show for you, and you all keeping falling for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/20 07:33 PM
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Weird use of free time, but if it does it for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/20 07:31 PM
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Because if there is no rhyme or reason to it (ie: no value), why are men so obsessed with it?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/20 07:26 PM
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Why would she want to work as little as possible? Where are you getting that notion?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/20 07:25 PM
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Abortion has not been universally available to women in the west for me to consider it a non-issue. In my country it was only legalized last year and it's Western.
/r/MensRights27/09/20 07:24 PM
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100% agree. The notion that those posters don't know they are being watched it silly.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/20 07:23 PM
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No, I fundementally disagree that someone is the exact same person at 18 and 80. There is a certain kidn of wisdom that is gained only by living.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/20 07:23 PM
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It's valid on the sense that is how females view and talk to each other about men without any societal filter. Except it's not that. Do you honestly think the posters at FDS don't know men read what they write?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/20 07:22 PM
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Sorry, Where Have All the Good Men Gone.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/20 07:21 PM
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Yes, I would agree. I don't encourage women to spend all their free time reading WHATGMG or TRP or anything like that. And it can be fascinating if you are there in good faith to learn, not if you are looking for more fodder for anger.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/20 03:22 PM
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So you have decided that- why read more? Guys get obsessed with it. Just move on if you don't like it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/20 03:17 PM
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Either it's absolute rubbish or it's valid.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/20 03:16 PM
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There is absolutely no actual strategy lol. Then why do so many men here give it so much thought?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/20 03:00 PM
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None of this had any revelevance to my comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/20 02:51 PM
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Too bad America isn't representative of the entire planet.
/r/MensRights27/09/20 02:50 PM
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In what way?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/20 02:50 PM
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No, I think growth happens through experience, whic happens with age. Also nice dodge on what unconvential marriage vows mean.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/20 05:28 AM
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Or you that it could be better. I never asked your age, but do you believe someone who is 16 might hold a different opinion that someone who is 60? Or do you want the 16 year old stunted to adolencent ideas?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/20 05:21 AM
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Oh yes!! It's approaching 8am where I grew up, so a totally different time zone. I should have guessed for you! :)
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/20 04:48 AM
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You can't define growth as changing opinion Of course I can. If you met someone at 16, and you want them to hold all the same outlooks and opinions until they die, then you want a static child as a partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/20 04:39 AM
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This thread is heated, I have done this before. Happy Saturday night! I hope you are watching/doing something fun :)
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/20 04:26 AM
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When did I say they did?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/20 04:21 AM
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Not all women have the right to abortion. False first slide.
/r/MensRights27/09/20 04:09 AM
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How do you define growth? Human nature, in this instance. A feeling or opinion someone had at 16 may change by the time they are 60. This is usually we we don't encourage teen marriage. Is doing something because your opinion changed growth? Yes, you develop over a lifetime. Unless when you are 60 you want a partner that is mentally 16, and has not changed. Or is doing something you know is better, despite your opinion changing, growth? My grandfather was a minister. This is so in-line with his …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/20 03:49 AM
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Why want a partner with zero capacity to grow as a human being? Is that how you define love?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/20 03:22 AM
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Naw, divorce time :)
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 11:40 PM
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No, but there are women 35+ who want a relationship. By the time they are over 35, and especially over 40, most women who wanted kids have had them already. If the guy wants children, he'll consider her lv Well yes, the same way a awoman who wants children would probably find a man with a vascetomy "lv" (though I don't like the hv/lv terms)
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 10:56 PM
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Sure, but still, that's 35. Are there really a significant number of men who are look at 35+ year old women because they want to start a family?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 10:52 PM
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A changed mind?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 10:52 PM
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Or, people should be honest what they want, and find someone compatable and work hard on yourself and your relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 10:51 PM
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Except most of the women who enjoy casual sex, do it because they enjoy sex. Not because they want a marriage proposal. Most women I know had an absundance of relationship offers, so just wanted to enjoy sex outside of commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 10:51 PM
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Which is pretty late, and most in their 40s don't want a new baby.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 10:48 PM
2

Right? We are equals in the relationship and take on equal labour to keep the family running smoothly and happily.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 10:34 PM
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Which often makes sense. It's very hard for couples to have time together and raise a family if each person is working a high pressure 50+ hour a week work schedule.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 10:32 PM
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I'm not sure by omission if the other person doesn't ask. Some people don't want to know.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 02:38 PM
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IMO, if you have casual sex dealbreakers, it's up to you to verify. But trying to build a real relationship on lies is never a good plan.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 04:53 AM
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There is such a thing called STI-screening. People who want that reassurance aren't the ones in bed with a stranger right after meeting them.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/20 10:15 PM
1

Something like having children isn't like steak tonight, chicken tomorrow.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/20 08:58 PM
1

Also, love how you completely ignored the kids question lamo
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/20 08:03 PM
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Naw, just get divorced. People change.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/20 08:01 PM
1

Naw, get a divorce :)
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/20 06:57 PM
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There are many tings with in a marriage that may cause it to end. Maybe you were both Catholic and one of you leaves the faith, or changes to Islam. Maybe you were both liberals when you married, and one became strongly conservative. You could havce wanted to kids when you got married and one partner changes their mind, or vice versa.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/20 06:24 PM
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So divorce is okay so long as you feel the "rules" of the marriage agreement were broken, regardless if the two people explicitly stated what all of them were.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/20 06:05 PM
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You are saying two totally different things, though. Do you not see that? 1.) If someone breaks the a marriage agreement, they should leave because they can't be happy with the broken agreement. The "contract" also has to include every possible scenerio, or the terms of breaking it could be endless. 2.) Anyone can be happy in any situation if they choose to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/20 05:23 PM
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If you don't think they are saying "only you forever" what is the actual point or even concept of marriage? Many marriages are open and they still love each other :) Simply put, why does he need or want to leave?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/20 04:26 PM
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Isn't that why we have judges? To use their judgement?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/20 02:34 PM
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I've already explained this. The concept of marriage is between 2 people by default. There's no way around that. Nope. Marriages can leggaly look all sorts of ways. So unless at the wedding the contract explicitly said "you may no have sex with any other people for the rest of your life" it's all good. From the beginning I've been consistent on UNLESS IT BREAKS THE VOWS in which case the contract is void. You seem to want to ignore that so you can be right. It's tiresome. You are also playing th…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/20 02:18 PM
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The contract is void. His responsibility to the marriage is void since the marital contract was already broken. Not unless they both said "I will not have sex with anyone other than you until I die." For somone so keen on contracts, you don't seem to grasp how they work Your definition doesn't match the one I gave you. Huh it's almost like you looked for one that wouldn't contradict your stance while I just grabbed the first one that popped up. Nope, just the dictonary :) Again, what happened to…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/20 03:51 AM
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Not at all. He should stay and be happy. He is responsible for his happiness, not her. As you said previously, he should check his prividge and stay and find the joy within him. That's not how infidelity works. Infidelity involves deception. Side note: And marriage is defined as Marriage is the process by which two people make their relationship public, official, and permanent. It is the joining of two people in a bond that putatively lasts until death, but in practice is often cut short by sepa…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/20 12:00 AM
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He's not leaving. So he should stay in the sexless marriage while he wife sleeps with whoever she likes. It's not infidelity because she is telling him, and no where in the vows does it say "I shall never have sex with any other person." And make himself happy. That's all I need to know.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 10:25 PM
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A bad one. To you. I don't get to be the moral authority over other people. Too bad shouldn't have gotten married if that's what she wanted. She didn't when they got married She changed. In a different scenrio maybe someone found religion. Maybe took up weed. And I love how you changed your entire tune of this!!!!v Why shouldn't the husband just make himself happy? His wife isn't leaving him, and according to you your happiness has zero to do with anyone else. Why should he leave instead of maki…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 09:25 PM
1

The relationship failed BECAUSE they decided to be unhappy. Sure. Still a choice they get to make. And I support it fully and wish them the best. So, out of curiousity, some man is married to his wife. She wants to have sex with other people, and does, on the regular. Then she decides she doesn't want to have sex with her husband anyone. Is he really meant to just stay there until death making his own happiness, with sex or affection? Pretty sadistic
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 09:15 PM
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Yes, and someone can decide they don't want to make themselves happy in their failed relationship a partner they don't love. It's not about whether it's possible or not, it's that they don't want to. I see this position all the time from men who moan and complain that they stayed the exact same person and yet their wife left them because of hypergamy and Jordan Pederson and forced monogamy, all of of the fear that men can't compete. Yawn.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 08:47 PM
1

So be someone your partner doesn't want to divorce. It's that easy.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 08:41 PM
1

Again, hard disagree. Under no circumstances should divorce be made illegal (again). If being single is what makes you happy, you have that right. Here is an even better idea- don't be a partner someone wants to divorce. Simple.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 08:38 PM
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No. The similarity isn't in the "static and never changing" aspect, but the "you entered into a binding contract of your own volition" aspect. That is why divorce exists. It's sole purprose is to break the contact. Huh? You knew the risk. "For better or for worse" and you agreed. Nopsies again- there is a long list of reasons people should get divorced. What don't you get about ONLY YOU CAN DECIDE TO BE HAPPY. Its not your partner your job your family etc forcing you to be unhappy. It's you choo…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 08:19 PM
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So love to you is a a cash loan in that it is static and neverchanging? Also your vows don't go over the long list of reasons when a divorce is a good thing. I'm still unconvinced why you believe society would be better off with unhappy people.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 08:02 PM
1

That people can freely choose who they spend their lives with? Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 06:49 PM
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Every stat I read puts the number closer to 70%. And I'm sorry, but we disagree. Anyone should have the right to be loved, and anyone should have the right to leave a relationship if it no longer works.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 06:39 PM
0

He looks way better now. And he looked divine in Once Upon a Time in Hollywood.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 06:35 PM
1

Well, thanks for your perpsective. I disagree with it, truly, but thanks for sharing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 06:31 PM
1

Obviously to have myself corrected by your vast intelligence- how else am I going to learn anything?
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen23/09/20 06:17 PM
1

You do tend to get lazy and soft without us.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen23/09/20 06:06 PM
1

No, but thanks?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 05:58 PM
1

It just became legal here last year, non shit hole.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 05:57 PM
2

I don't think men should have that right, but I do support LPS.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 05:55 PM
4

Naw, people sometimes make mistakes picking a partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 05:55 PM
2

Good retort. Insightful.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 05:54 PM
1

So you think divorce should go back to being illegal? No thanks. And I say that as some who is happily married.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 05:53 PM
0

As funny as abstience.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen23/09/20 05:53 PM
1

Bob left Debbie to be with a younger woman to pretend he's a better, younger man. Debbie takes him to court and gets his house. ESH, if Debbie should have chosen better, so should Bob.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 12:51 PM
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Your not making them they made the decisions and signed the papers. Signing papers doesn't mean a life of unhappiness. Yeah imo most divorces and break ups aren't actually from real deal-breaker shit just petty "i don't know why I'm just not happy" nonsense Even if that is true, I'd rather people be allowed to leave. As I said before, all people deserved to be loved.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 12:49 PM
1

Blame is useless for either gender to use against the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 04:14 AM
5

And not all single mothers should be clumped into one group. For the rest of this...it would seem you believe woman are just more intelligengt than men...?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 04:13 AM
-4

I work in family court (non divorce). It's a super shitty place, we agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 04:11 AM
1

Good point, I should have done better wording. Thanks :)
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 03:57 AM
19

So let us talk about how all of those men who don't want to pay child support but instead want primary physical custody....oh wait, they don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 03:49 AM
1

Or none to blame because we all make really bad decisions sometimes.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 03:22 AM
6

Indeed. We both understand our birds and bees, or in this case, piv.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 03:22 AM
14

The only option that is zero is abstience. Anything else, however small, has a chance of pregnancy.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 03:16 AM
2

That's not my point. My point is, if we assume a woman dating a man can vet him so completely to know he will never, under any circumstance leave her after they have kids, a man marrying a woman should be able to completely know she will never, under any circumstance divorce him and take all his money.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 03:15 AM
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Sometimes one is unwilling to be happy or compromise. It's not a can't. I like to say unwilling or unable. There are many people who haven't been taught stress management, discomfort acceptance and proper coping skills. And I'm not sure I agree with making someone stay where they are unhappy for almost two decades. I think both parties deserve to have someone love them. I would agree that all relationships have highs and lows, and I'm sure many couples give up without putting in a conciencious e…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 03:12 AM
10

How else do you deal with a pregnancy outside of wedlock?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 03:07 AM
4

Men have it shiitier in some ways, women in others. We all need to lean in and support each other more.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 03:07 AM
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Sometimes you can't, people get bitter, and believe me, for fanilies that can't spend the next 18 years pretending to love each other, kids don't want to live in that mess. They want their parents to be happy.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 03:06 AM
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Lemme see some stats on that, sir
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 02:49 AM
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I am actually sorry. I work in the divorce rape business, and it's cold shit. I don't believe women or men should be blamed, which was kind of my post. I hope things are getting better.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 02:47 AM
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I'm saying we shouldn't judge either group, but for some reason reason there is a vocal subset of men who think a woman getting married, having a kid, and having the dude run out should be blamed for picking a poor partner. But if a man gets married, has a kids, and the wife leaves, it's all "poor him, he was so perfect and she was a villian! That golddigger!" I'd rather we didn't judge either, but at least be consistent if you want to shame people.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 02:46 AM
3

I have a lot of sympathy for some of the inequalities men face.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 02:43 AM
1

You think the best solution is for unhappy people to stay together?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 02:43 AM
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To a degree women are at fault for choosing men who will choose to leave them. You can choose to be entitled, judgmental human who wants to sit on your throne and cast blame on women and sympathy and excuses on men, but I'd rather not.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 02:42 AM
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Yes, they are different, but I'd argue that somehow assuming women have some kind of ability to vet people that men don't is pretty sexist.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 02:41 AM
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Make abortion legal everywhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 02:40 AM
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No, you are trying to use a poor metaphor. You can live without a relationship (many do, look at MGTOW or TRP), you will die of starvation. If a woman is supposed to be able to vet and size up and understand how the man in front of her will behave for the rest of their lives together, then men should also be able to do that as well. Or, even better, we don't judge anyone because they made a mistake with love.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 02:40 AM
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Sure, and this thread is full of men supporting men who marry "shitty" women because they feel they can't get better. Also a dumb as hell move.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 12:20 AM
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I'm not trying to generalize, and said that I don't personally agree with this. I'm merely pointing out an annoying trend I have seen where women get blame, men get sympathy, when releationships end poorly.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/20 11:48 PM
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I'm talking about single mothers, not that scenerio, any more than some hypotheically where a guy gets divorced and screwed over four times as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/20 11:47 PM
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Yes it's different. That's not my point- which you are missing. It's whether or not we can expect someone to be able to know how their partner will treat them for the rest of their lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/20 11:46 PM
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Thank you!
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/20 11:23 PM
9

I disagree. If we expect one gender to be able to predict all furture behaviour of their partner, we should for both.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/20 11:22 PM
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Men still have the agency to make a choice. But my point isn't who has more choice, it's that if women are expected to choose a partner that will forever be good partners, men should be held to the same standard.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/20 11:05 PM
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No, sometimes people just fall out of attraction. Sometimes there isn't a "thing" you fill out in paperwork, it's just change.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/20 11:04 PM
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Right, so by that logic both the women and men are blamed for not having common sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/20 11:03 PM
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No, many women are in commited relationships that end, often years and years into the relationship and after multiple kids. If they are expected to predict all the future behavior of her partner, so should men.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/20 11:00 PM
1

Thanks for the reply.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/20 10:56 PM
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Then have decided that's better than being alone. My point still stands, if one gender is expected to fully and without errors vet a person, same with the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/20 10:56 PM
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But we have no idea why she lost attraction. I'm not saying the man did something wrong, just that she lost attraction for whatever reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/20 10:53 PM
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Because no one (that I know, I'm sure others are different) anyone who gets marries says on their wedding day, "I can't wait to get divorced!" Mistakes happen. People change.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/20 10:32 PM
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You know I linked you a study that showed that the woman's decline of sexual desire towards the man PREDICTS marital dissatisfaction for both partners, right? As would make sense, if you aren't wanting to have sex anymore, people tend to get unhappy. That's the point. Even if the man does everything "right", she will lose attraction and THEN find a reason to be dissatisfied and unhappy. There is no way of knowing if he is doing everything right, anymore than you can anything about a relationship…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/20 10:31 PM
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That's simply not true. No one who is happy and satisfied in their relationship up and divorces with absolutely zero reasons. Even if you don't agree with the reason, it is there.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/20 09:25 PM
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Ok?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/20 09:24 PM
1

I mean, yes, you could focus on one gender exclusively, but I don't know what value that would have in understanding a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/20 09:23 PM
7

You can fall out of love.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/20 09:22 PM
11

Right? It makes no sense to suggest woman are leaving the men they love.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/20 08:37 PM
8

You should be allowed to get divorced for whatever reason you want. No one should be trapped in a divorce.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/20 08:36 PM
7

It's silly to assume either either gender is infallible.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/20 08:35 PM
4

Why are you conducting a 36 question study of sexual morality? What do you plan to do with all our free information?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/20 04:46 AM
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That is so off the mark. So sad :(
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/20 12:52 AM
2

I think it is going to play a huge role in the lonlieness epidemic. When you feel like no one loves you, it's heartbreaking to see how much love everyone else is getting.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/20 10:35 PM
1

Finding someone with all those qualities (sexual attraction, politics, religion, kids, etc) should be the goal for each party. We agree on this!
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/20 07:08 PM
1

Oh shoot, sorry. Apologies....I misread your statement.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/20 04:11 PM
3

You said no history.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/20 03:43 PM
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Just refuse to date anyone with a history. So anyone who has had any romantic or sexual experiences in their life before you is excluded. Wow.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/20 02:48 PM
1

Yes, attracted, but when you are 20 and drunk at a party you might not care about anything else. If you are looking for a life partner, other things might matter like religion, do they want kids, do they have kids already, are they single, political leaning, where they are from, ect.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/20 02:14 PM
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I am forever thankfully I locked down a great man and never had to use Tinder. I have a friend on it though, and I've played around with it on her phone, and it's cancer.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/20 02:13 PM
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I work in family court, so a topic close to my heart. In order to have 50/50 childcare post seperation/divorce would require an entire overhaul of gender relations and how they drive the larger society. Which I support.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/09/20 01:21 AM
1

It's possible I have been misunderstanding you this entire time. Are you saying the women is attracted to you, or the women is interested in a relationship with you? Those are two different things and I might have gotten mixed up.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/20 01:14 AM
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I'm not saying literally all the time. And we must run in different circles. It is not uncommon at all here for men to go away (especially hunting) for a week at a time (which means no sex for that time) and have a perfectly healthy T level. If it's a new relationship, generally speaking both people can't get enough of each other. And the varying sex drive is what I'm talking about. You keep insisting all men want sex all the time, if if they don't they have a medical condition. Visit Deadbedroo…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/20 01:13 AM
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It is though, or no man with normal T, according to you, would ever choose to do something else if he had the option for sex. Or, could it be that men have different sex drives, and even within a relationship (when sex is abudendant) some men will choose to have more or less sex than another man?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/20 11:57 PM
1

So say there is a Top 5. The way this whole thing is worded says it doesn't matter if she gave you the other four things, things she didn't give to the other guy, but if she fucked him faster, that's all that matters in terms of her value.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/20 10:31 PM
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You said not wanting sex all the time mean a low libido which meant low T. I have said several times that plenty of men don't want to have sex all the time. Plenty of men also have other hobbies and interests, yet you keep insisitng that all men want is sex. I think there are plenty of healthy T level men who might forgo a sex for a night to hang out with friends, or for a weekend to go on a guys getaway.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/20 10:30 PM
1

It does if you are saying that anything other than wanting to have sex as your only recreational activity means you have low T
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/20 09:15 PM
1

We still disagree. This line of thinking indicates that nothing else a woman could offer would ever have the same value as getting sex faster than any other man. Sex is very intimate, for a women to share that with another is telling. Sex is very intimate to some women. It's very casual for others.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/20 09:14 PM
1

There is still a varience, so or all men would be robots and all sex would be the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/20 06:31 PM
1

Today I learned you believe a man with self value has low T. Or that wants sex less than ten times a day is low T. Or isn't into ONSs is low T. Glad that hasn't been my experience with men. I like men with self esteem, not thirst.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/20 02:57 PM
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Hard disagree. I know men who are all over the spectrum, from those who prefer to get to know a girl to those who prefer ONSs than anything with commitment. Some men are really picky where they put their dick, some don't care. Some men want sex six times a day, some are happy a couple times a week.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/20 02:46 PM
1

So you truly believe men have less range of mental capacity than women? Wow, thanks for putting it out there so honestly.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/20 03:35 AM
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I don't think it's always the best indicator of attraction at all. What you are saying is that even though she may give you a thousand things she didn't give someone else, the only one that matters is how fast you got to have sex with her relating to others.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/20 03:31 AM
1

I'll never understand why some men want men as a group to appear as simple and uncomplex and dull. The men I know are just as nuanced in every way as women. I don't buy into the EP stuff of "Me man. Me must put penis in everything."
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/20 11:59 PM
1

No, men are not a monolith.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/20 11:53 PM
1

So what are we arguing about? Why we are gendering the idea that some people prefer sex within an intimate relationship when both do?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/20 11:45 PM
1

Fair, but there are also men who don't enjoying sex outside of relationships, so why gender it?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/20 11:43 PM
1

Sure, and some men don't. Water is wet, no?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/20 11:42 PM
1

No, it is a myth that women don't enjoy sex outside of deep intimacy of a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/20 09:42 PM
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So a woman who fucks her partner senseless every night for 10 years is a slut. Good to know.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/20 09:42 PM
3

Yes, I have middle aged kids and they talk all the time about what they want to be when they grow up and absoutely understand this. Kids are smarter than you think.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/20 09:38 PM
3

Because they reason they encourage women into STEM is because it is field with the potential to earn a lot of money and it's mostly men. The boys can absolutely see that.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/20 09:19 PM
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I think they should look at any STEM office that is full of men and wonder why that is.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/20 06:41 PM
2

Again, that would suggest that they feel immediately spreading legs is the ultimate value a woman could give you.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/20 05:26 PM
3

Sex is one value of many. Some men may want more.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/20 02:34 PM
1

Naw, we have dedicated services for mens health and well being.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/20 02:34 PM
1

No one is perfect.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/20 02:33 PM
2

I think it's gross you say women, and not some women.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/20 04:42 AM
1

I actually largely agree with this, with the disclaimer that women can enjoy casual sex. Sometimes they don't want to 'come back for more.' They want a hot fling that means nothing more than good sex for a night. I dislike when some men say that women "only" have sex for validation, when I don't believe that is true. current dystopia I love a good dystopia! What are your thoughts on this one?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/20 04:20 AM
2

That said, I’m very lucky and out of a one in a million chance found a good SO. Except it's not one in a million. Many guys feel this way. You are obviously bringing attractive traits to the table :) PS: I like your username
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/20 02:50 AM
1

Then this I agree with. I am talking about the men here who openly stay things like "I toss my net as far as it goes and will sleep with anything it catches." Or the men that claim men have zero standards and even bad sex with someone they aren't attracted to is notch on the belt.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/20 12:15 AM
1

I should try to do better though. I'm not being very kind here.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/20 11:40 PM
1

Subtle, but I like it!
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/20 11:32 PM
1

Still disagree. I worked at a nightclub for years- do you think the incredibly sexy male bartenders are begging women for pity sex? Do you think women are attracted to men who work hard for pity sex? They aren't. If a woman they are attracted to doesn't come in that night, they had no insecurity of "shit, I'd better lay something or I won't ever again." They have chill. Desperate men don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/20 11:31 PM
1

I'm glad you care so much :)
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/20 11:29 PM
1

You can phrase it all you want to deflect any personal responsibility. If you aren't terrified you'll never get laid again, you won't have sex withwomen you openly say you aren't attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/20 11:29 PM
4

You're treating the men you don't want better than the ones you do want. That would depend if you believe the only thing a woman can offer is sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/20 11:28 PM
1

Now we're catching on! Ciao bella, have a good one.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/20 11:26 PM
1

I never asked you a single real question. But I'll end here as to save your Friday night. Have a great evening.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/20 11:24 PM
3

I am a parent, role with parents, and aside from fringe parents I don't see this at all. There are also evidently fathers who "guard" their daughters virginity and make them sign purity pledges.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/20 11:15 PM
0

I understand the mindset, I just don't agree with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/20 11:14 PM
2

So all the men I know and saw just today that have families and professional jobs and homes and happiness are....? Non existant?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/20 11:08 PM
2

No, I just live in the real world and surround myself with interesting people.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/20 11:01 PM
1

Now eher I am, thank God.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/20 10:44 PM
7

It's why men shouldn't get wrapped up in "thots" making money and FDS and trying to apply all that to the average persons life.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/20 10:44 PM
4

Why would I go watch that instead of just observing my community, large and small? That's reality- online isn't real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/20 10:31 PM
4

Guys are told from the day that they're born that they're worthless and inferior just for being born with a penis. Have brothers and sons. Can promise you none had this talk. Smh.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/20 10:31 PM
4

You have massive female privilege, so you had no idea just how irrelevant you are as a male. You're disposable, and no one gives a shit about you. There's no divide, you're just seeing how shitty it is to be male. Welcome to the suck. Except that's not true. Men have as much value and relevancy as anyone. It's men telling other men this. There is also no world where 100% of women hold 100% of all the power, wealth and control, which all men live live subservient lives. Being a good human is how …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/20 07:14 PM
1

Not to me. Best first dates I have had have always been the most creative, and don't involve any level of expectation based on money spent. Either from the man who felt he "invested" in getting some, or the women feeling like he didn't spend enough on her.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/20 02:25 PM
1

To me they are two really different things. "I'm going to sleep with this guy because I just got dumped and I want to feel like anyone is attracted to me" and "I'm happily single and want some sex tonight because I know I look good." There could be some crossover I suppose, but still different.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/20 02:23 PM
2

I'm not American, so I'm not totally up on the 2016 election, but I like your write up and agree that once you tack your star to Trump, a lot of people are immediately out.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/20 02:22 PM
0

No, if you are fit enough do a first date outside. Go to a free museum and get coffee. Anyone who goes to a five star resturant for a first date and pays is foolish.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/20 02:19 PM
1

Oh, of course! Absolutely I agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/20 02:18 PM
2

Or maybe they had an amazing childhood and simply enjoy good sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/20 02:14 PM
2

Just like women, sometimes you have to choose.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/20 04:45 AM
2

Or even better, the first few dates should be free.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/20 04:44 AM
33

I agree. There is a weird obsession with validation. Some just staunchly refuse to believe a woman can genuinely love herself and have sex as an enjoyable activity, with no deep issues to be solved.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/20 04:43 AM
3

Not a good look. It's a pity because I think men face a lot of unique challenges that society largerly ignores. I consider myself an ally, but there is so much anger (sometimes understandably, women do this as well) it can be hard to have a decent discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/20 04:23 AM
3

Dang. Glad I'm not a feminist them. Not an MRA either.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/20 04:16 AM
1

Thank you. While I don't agree with the premise, it was an interesting read. However, no where in it does it say it's a tenet of feminism. It's an opinion piece that doesn't mention feminism.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/20 03:59 AM
1

I can't, it's behind a paywall.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/20 03:23 AM
1

I don't know enough about the feminism to say a core belief is that no woman should ever go to jail.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/20 03:14 AM
1

I believe postpartum psychosis is a thing, women and male feminists use this postpartum psychosis thing is to give women a pass. It's either a thing and you believe it as the reason why infancide happens, or you think it's a feminist scam. It can't be both.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/20 02:29 AM
1

In many places it can cost less, or you barely break even after you pay for fulltime daycare and/or before and after school care.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/20 07:29 PM
2

You think more women commit infancide a year than women are killed by their partners?? Omg. Just stop.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/20 02:44 PM
1

That is true, I know men who think like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/20 02:42 PM
1

Naw, take some history classes.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/20 02:41 PM
1

Then why not address the sheer statistical difference in intimate partner homicide?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/20 02:24 PM
1

Preach. I love how "modern" has become a bad thing, like rights for women shouldn't have happened lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/20 02:23 PM
1

I am all for getting rid of alimony, giving men the right for a financial abortion (I work in family court and run a NFP to help men who have been "divorce-raped" to have continued contact with their children) and am against the deluth model...but keep going, sweetheart.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/20 02:23 PM
2

Why do so many men believe a woman will have no sexual interest in anyone but them?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/20 02:20 PM
2

Then you don't believe in postpartum psychosis, which is a medical condition that is involved in many of these cases. But hey, it's not the first time I have met a science denier or a meantal health shamer online.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/20 02:20 PM
0

I diagree with all of this.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/20 02:19 PM
5

Oh, sweet summer child....things have changed. I worked at a HS and none of those kids were looking for marriage and babies and a mortgage.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/20 02:18 PM
1

I don't know what that means. Inside joke, love?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/20 02:17 PM
1

No, if people want to play oppression olympics this is the result
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/20 02:17 PM
0

Weak
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/20 04:57 AM
0

From what?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/20 04:53 AM
5

My mistake. Sure. Does an 18 year old man want to marry a hot girl to know that's the only person he will have sex with for his entire life?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/20 04:53 AM
4

How do you define "slut"? I always find it amusing when I see a post like "I wanted a virgin and found one, but she doesn't seem to want a lot of sex." No kidding. And yes, I agree that you should make yoirself the ideal partner for your ideal partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/20 04:48 AM
8

I know all too well. No club kid at 18 married a girl and thought they'd be together for 60 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/20 04:45 AM
0

Not a feminist, so I can't comment
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/20 04:44 AM
8

Maybe it's cultural then. I know next to none men on their way to Uni and a bright future that want to marry in high school.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/20 04:39 AM
3

So he (op) can do whatever he wants with no judgement from her?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/20 04:38 AM
4

What do you mean by "holds you to nothing?" I see nothing in OPs statment to suggest they feel that way. I certainly don't. Each partnership has "rules" for maintaining the relationship, but they vary widely
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/20 04:29 AM
1

So you do want to play a pissing game? Sigh. Do you believe all mental illness is bullshit, or just when it suits your agenda?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/20 04:26 AM
14

I doubt it. Few teenage men want to get married.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/20 04:21 AM
3

Again, you have't broken this down at all. I want a compatable partner...freaks the fuck out.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/20 04:15 AM
10

So, does an 18 year old man do the same? "I don't want to go the club and party and have sex with bouncy blondes i think are hot, because twenty years from now I want kids, so I will turn down all the sexy club girls and wait for my life partner."
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/20 04:15 AM
3

Then we are done. I don't get the "many partners is good for me, because I'm a man! But many partner for her is bad, also because I am the man!" For the love of anything, bust out that lock and key metaphor.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/20 04:13 AM
3

I wrote a reply and then you deleted yours. What I was saying was: So you think all 18 year olds should settle down with one woman? Because there is absolutely nothing of value in experimenting with being single and having sex. Okay. We disagree, but okay.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/20 04:06 AM
2

Men have historically always had hypergamy- are they now upset women can also choose their partners?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/20 03:49 AM
5

Men are not stupid. We can agree. And I'm so glad to hear someone else say this!! So much male hate here. (Are they slow or..?) Hmm, I guess they are? The same way men pay OnlyFans girls, only the girls dating bad biys get actually sex, not pics and eye rolls. The gaslighting about “maturing” isn’t a thing anymore. We disagree here. Everyone I know wants something different as they get older. When I was 18 did I give a shit if where I lived was in a good school zone? No, but it matters a lot now…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/20 03:27 AM
2

Sure. You ask a 16 year year old kid if he has it planned out to marry a virgin in his late 30s to start a family. I'm sure 100% will say that's their plan.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/20 03:18 AM
3

Naaaww, men do it to, or are you ignoring that whole part?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/20 02:58 AM
2

I've always used the definition of "the visceral nervous system" as the medical one: [TA] that part of the nervous system that represents the motor innervation of smooth muscle, cardiac muscle, and gland cells. It consists of two physiologically and anatomically distinct, mutually antagonistic components: the sympathetic and parasympathetic parts.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/20 02:58 AM
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How are women having their cake and eating it as well? For me this boils down to: we enjoy sex together, you aren't high drama, our life is chill, we are attracted to each other and have similar interests.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/20 01:28 AM
2

A way of saying "to your veins" attracted.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/20 01:26 AM
2

Why don't we talk about men doing this? I have a friend (she is mid-40s) on Tinder and the men she connects with also don't want what they would have wanted when they were 18. That's called maturing, and both genders do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/20 01:25 AM
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I like this :)
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/20 01:23 AM
1

She yells more, makes more ultimatums, and manipulates her partner until she gets what she wants (in the academic literature that I linked to, they call this "demand and withdrawal behavior" and women engage in it a lot more than men do). I don't feel like you aren't hearing me. Yelling at your partner, manipulting them and giving them ultimatums is abuse That is an abusive relationship. If you want to believe 80% of men are in abusive relationships, you can. I would need a source to believe tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/20 12:49 AM
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There are a few things here. I'm not saying it's uncommon. What I am saying is that I feel like there is a disconnect. I often see men claiming that men in general are lower maintenece and more easy going that women, which has largely been my anecdotal experience. If that is true, then it makes sense that women make more "little decisions." If it's not true that men are more laid back and are just as concerned about home decor and kids clothes and food (just a few of countless examples) then we …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/20 12:18 AM
1

Some men is still a better deal than zero.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/20 11:52 PM
2

And men are far more likely to kill their intimate partner. Are we playing the pissing game?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/20 11:51 PM
1

It's because women have more power and control over men in most relationships. If someone is controlling you or your life in ways that make you unhappy and you are unable to voice your unhappiness it's an abusive relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/20 10:53 PM
0

why women get their way 80% of the time when a man does care and does communicate his preferences with his wife. Because I don't see that? I don't hang around with couples where the woman makes 80% of all their life decisions that he desperately wants to make, but she won't allow him. For example she wants steak for dinner and he wants pasta. Or she wants to buy one house and he likes a different one. Okay, so does he want pasta badly enough to speak up about it? Does he care enough about where …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/20 10:17 PM
1

So I made a sarcastic comment, and you cut and paste is as a non-sarcastic comment so you could use to defend something you said? Ok.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/20 10:13 PM
1

That was sarcasm. I didn't think I would need the /s
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/20 09:27 PM
1

You exact statement was: Please according to most women, they could easily live without sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/20 09:12 PM
1

No, because you said "most women don't care if they ever have sex again." That goes against everything I have studied in Uni and have seen and read, so I asked you for a source, and you responded with "look at the women at PPD." Do you have a source to back up such a claim? If not, we can probably stop talking about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/20 09:05 PM
1

So being a single mom is the womans fault, being divorce-raped is the mans fault. At least you are consistent :)
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/20 08:59 PM
1

No, because I don't think the women who care enought o debate sex and relationships and gender equality online are reflected of women all over the world. So again, because I'm confused. Are you saying that most women in the world are asexual, or most of the women who post on PPD are asexual?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/20 08:56 PM
1

I'm not talking about the PPD community. I'm talking about 50% of the population on earth. Unless you statement is "the women who post on PPD are mostly asexual." Is it?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/20 08:51 PM
2

Unlike yours lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/20 08:42 PM
2

Haha, I totally agree :)
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/09/20 08:42 PM
1

I'm not bringing anecdotal examples here. We are talking in general. And I asked for a source that said most women were asexual, because that doesn't align with anything I have read or seen.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/20 08:41 PM
2

I never suggested it's men talking bullshit about womens take on sex. You made the comment that Please according to most women, they could easily live without sex. I pointed out that that would fit the definition of asexuality. You stated again It's what they said And that's fine. Being asexual isn't a negative thing or a choice. You just happen to know more asexual women that I do. Also not a bad thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/20 08:27 PM
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I have never met a woman who has told me she could easily live the rest of her life without sex, but if that's what the women in your life report, I'd listen to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/20 07:47 PM
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But I'm sure you are going to be dishonest and ask me to show you where and when women said precisely this What am I doing that is dishonest? Please according to most women, they could easily live without sex. Asexuality is the low or absent interest in or desire for sexual activity
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/20 07:23 PM
1

That's an excellent standard, and I commend you for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/20 07:21 PM
1

It all depends if you are have children, and if you do, if the care of them is also split 50/50. What I often see is men talking about how they have to have the high stress job that requires a ton of weekends and overtime, which means someone else is doing the child and home stuff while you're at work. A person can't both be a high earning professional with a 60+ hour work week, and get the kids to and from school, dinners, hockey practice, etc. I can't get to work, I'm making the men their sand…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/20 06:54 PM
1

I feel like I'm being misunderstood. I know all about happy wife, happy life. However, I firmly believe there is a difference between "I let me wife decorate the house and choose the kids clothes and stuff like that because I don't really care that much about it and it she does and it makes her happy," and "I am not allowed to make any decisions for our family out of fear my wife will berate me."
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/20 06:51 PM
2

Lol pretending you speak for all men
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/20 06:47 PM
1

You would have to show me a source that most women are asexual or don't want sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/20 06:46 PM
1

Then we are in agreement!
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/20 06:46 PM
1

I'm talking about the men who use that language, or saw things like "I toss out a net and take whatever I get."
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/20 06:45 PM
3

Why is it so surprising women want sexual gratification just for what it is? No, no, no. Women cannot pursue and enjoy sex, haven't you been told this enough? It's all about attention whoring, insecurity, validation, popularity and all of that, not enjoying sex. /s
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/20 02:47 PM
1

Men before used to think that women would just sleep around for fun but then women always corrected us like..."No We ArE jUsT FiNdInG oURsElVeS" Why not both?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/20 02:38 PM
2

I love your username. :)
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/20 02:37 PM
1

I'm sorry you only know shitty men. I'm happy I know great ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/20 02:36 PM
1

Well, a chauvanist can, of course. Not a man mosty women would want as a partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/20 02:36 PM
5

I don't love the LVM/HVM bullshit, but I disagree. The man who would sleep with someone he isn't even attracted to because he's worried about getting to have sex against is less desireable. A confident man doesn't feed on scraps
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/20 02:35 PM
2

All men should try it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/20 12:21 PM
15

That the mentality behind "I don't like her and she's not attractive, but at least I'll get some." Anyone who has a diet of pity sex with people they don't like is desperate, yes. If not, they would at least have a bar high enough to say "I'll fuck anyone I like" not "I'll fuck anyone because I may never get to fuck again and can't lose this chance."
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/20 12:20 PM
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I don't deny that, but men can't expect both in a partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/20 12:18 PM
1

You keep making sweeping comments about "badly all women behave in a relationship" assuming this is a representation of all women. When it's suggested you look at the quality of people you hang out with, full out inability to self-reflect. I'm shocked, just shocked!
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/20 12:17 PM
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The person is saying that an individual is unhappy with their life but can't ever bring it up because theirt partner will argue with them until they give up and be mierable. That sounds like a healthy relationship to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/20 12:15 PM
1

So women are all thots but men are so stupid they can only parrot the thoughts. That's a lot of man hate.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/20 12:15 PM
9

No, I know plenty of men who aren't desperate.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/20 12:14 PM
12

Men will fuck women they don't like, Not men who feel they deserve better or don't worry about getting sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/20 12:09 PM
1

Women are attracted to men who have lots of options. Why wouldn't they be?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/20 04:53 AM
8

I love how men believe they can have casual sex all they want because they enjoy it, but if a woman does the same it's somehow insearch of landing a "HVM" for marriage and babies. Some women are just down for good vasual sex like men.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/20 04:15 AM
4

Man, women get a raw deal either way.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/20 04:13 AM
5

If men aren't speaking up, it could just be because they anticipate that they will lose anyway, so it's not worth having the argument. To me, that would be an abusive relationship. If you, regardless of gender, feel you have no agency in yoru life becaise your partner won't allow you any, then I see that as abusive. The hard thing about this approach is there is no solution. Person A doesn't want to eat Thai for dinner but doesn't say anything because they don't want to upset Person A or start a…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/20 12:07 AM
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Sure, but how infinite can the "I feel a different way than I tell you because I don't want you to be mad at me"? I have never said women can't be abusive- that's absurd. But I don't believe all men are fine with their wife deciding such things are doing so out of fear. If it is true, it's not victim blaming to say that person shoudl help his friend either access resources to leave, or find a way to come to terms with this life. Common perspective I read on gender relations both ways is if you d…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/20 11:32 PM
4

Judging by this, and your other comment, maybe you need to make better friends or surround yourself with better people.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/20 10:12 PM
23

Great point. This is true, I have seen this, jokes about how the "old ball and chain won't let me" as a way to seem they really wanted something but secretly agree with their partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/20 08:58 PM
1

Again, not all single mothers are so because of what they did or didn't do. Unless you believe all men who are "divorce-raped" are also to blame for not picking better partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/20 08:57 PM
15

My point was does he want to plan the free, the holidays, where they live, etc, or do he prefer to be free of all those choice so he can focus on other stuff?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/20 08:56 PM
4

Isn't that for both genders? Hobbies, and how we spend our free time, is a pretty important aspect of life to be in disagreement over.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/20 08:56 PM
9

I don't know any women who don't encourage their partners to have hobbies.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/20 07:44 PM
5

Why ask permission if you don't give a shit what the answer is anyways?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/20 07:43 PM
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It's just obvious that the girlfriend decides most of how they decorate their house, how they spend their free-time, where they live etc. I would question a lot more into that. Is it decorated to her taste because he doesn't care how it looks so told her do what she likes? Or did he desperately beg to have some control and she is denying him. Those are very different. If he isn't speaking up about wanting equal say in all these things, then he is telling her he is fine with the status quo.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/20 07:43 PM
1

How are single mothers as a whole saying that? For many the man walked out, many don't get any money because the man has fallen off the map. You make is sound like you believe all single mothers have purposefully chosen to be single mothers. So no, I don't agree with your premise that " Single mothers are illustrating that they personally prefer a check." Single mothers are single mothers for a variety of reasons. Out of curiouslity, do you feel the same way about single fathers? That's they sim…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/20 07:37 PM
1

You have this habit of making large jumps to conclusions based on data that isn't being displayed, but instead assumed by you. Well that's no good of me. Maybe I can clarify. Do women want a cheque or a loving male figure to raise their children, which was the claim/.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/20 06:54 PM
2

That is so interesting. I'm not American, so I didn't know this. If filling out government documents or offical papers, is it listed as a different language entirely, or a subset of English? I live in Canada now, but am from Ireland, and while I (obviously) speak English, I have many colloquialisms and phrasing people here don't understand.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/20 03:57 PM
2

What is Midwest language?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/20 02:36 PM
9

Ok. Now you are being disingenuous and I'm done. Shame on my for falling for a trap.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/20 05:30 AM
2

Men have an international day as well.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/09/20 05:20 AM
6

When did I say back breaking?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/20 05:16 AM
4

Someone who is an emotional leech and a normal human bring having a bout of emotional distress are two dofferent things. No one wants to be a nuisance. I think it depends how someone spreads their distress- is 100% of it always at the same intimate partner person, or are there many people who can help?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/20 04:48 AM
12

I would say yes. No one wants to feel 100% responsible for the happiness of their partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/20 04:35 AM
21

Unpaid emotional labour has never been described to me this way (women not wanting the men they love to have emotions), but more that most often it is women who remember of birthdays and send cards, get teacher gifts, cultivate Christmas card lists, care for elderly parents, more of the domestic labour. I haven't seen unpaid emotional work be limited to solely "listening to your partner share his emotions" so I haven't seen "unpaid emotional labour" as a narriative to discourage men to do so. I …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/20 04:26 AM
4

Just because your family is wealthy doesn’t mean that you’ll be named in their wills. It’s not “your” wealth. I think this only applies if you were estranged from a young age. If you lived in a wealthy neighbourhood and networked with the wealthy, grew up there and had education paid for, then you benefited from wealth, even if you feel it isn't "yours".
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/20 04:15 AM
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One of the biggest criticism some women make about toxic masculinity is that men don't open up and aren't vulnerable enough. But... At the same time, another big complaint is that "men use women as free therapists and get emotional labour from them". One thing I have read is some women feeling like some men don't keep up relationships with anyone but them, so they bear the weight of all the vulnerability. Men don't cultivate and keep friendships that foster being vulnerable, so all the "vents" e…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/20 04:11 AM
1

That's fine. Many women and men opt of of the dating market.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/20 02:26 PM
1

Having a fantasy of being raped it just a fantasy, they don't actually want it to happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/20 02:25 PM
1

No duh? Do people still use that? And that's her choice to make, to drop out (like men doing with MGTOW) or drop her standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/20 02:38 AM
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It does. The men I live and grow with want an equal in a partner. They don't want a traditional virginal bride to follow the mans lead, but who also has passions outside the relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/20 02:35 AM
1

Yes! Thank you. This is how it should be.
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