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| 2 | Hey! I just wanted to ask people here to check out /r/GenderDialogues! (And also some meta stuff.)You may notice some similarities with our sidebar and that of r/TheMotte =) | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/02/21 04:44 PM |
| 9 | Hey! I just wanted to ask people here to check out /r/GenderDialogues! (And also some meta stuff.)Thanks for the plug /u/Forgetaboutthelonely =) It might be worth a try. But my concern is that there are only two kinds of subs discussing gender relations. Those with feminists, where the only opinion allowed is a feminist opinion, and those where all sorts of discussions are allowed, and where feminists don't go. So full disclosure: I was the moderator /u/bromanteau on femradebates, and have some experience with the mechanics that you are referencing. I started /r/genderdialogues essentially f… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/02/21 03:49 PM |
| 4 | Why feminists should stop using terms like "fragile masculinity"That might be because people with a lot of perceived authority, like the head mod of menslib, claim that there is no difference instead of educating people. These are not complicated concepts. It's within the range of the average person to understand them. And if you actually want to reach men who are not just looking for a struggle session, looking into the forces operating on them rather than just male-marked antisocial behavior goes a long way. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/07/20 04:31 AM |
| 6 | Why feminists should stop using terms like "fragile masculinity"it's not. They may be adjacent but they are different things, and honestly if you want to do male advocacy, it's an important bit of nuance. As clearly as possible: various colloquialisms including the most common form of "toxic masculinity" that I see on menslib: Male marked behavior that is antisocial or maladaptive. Term originated in the mythopoetic men's movement, has become popular amongst feminists. The meaning has drifted. Not a term of art, requires clarification every time it is used i… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/07/20 01:31 PM |
| 5 | The main 2 reasons why the men's movement is gatekept broadly by the Right; feminist dominance over progressive and public sector institutions and frameworks, and the threat narrative of being an incel if you support leftismyeah I read this and found myself wondering if there was some kind of agreement in this sub that the MRM is gatekept by the right. I haven't really been hanging out in MRM spaces for a year or two, aside from occasionally looking that what was going on on the NCFM mailing list, but if anything I have always felt like the consensus was the the left and the right were equally bad factions for the MRM, with the left being pro-feminist and inclined to push things like VAWA and title-ix requirements … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/07/20 08:42 PM |
| 3 | Why feminists should stop using terms like "fragile masculinity"I think you have your hopes up, but bear in mind that I am basically an MRA that decided it was a lost cause, and only reactivated his reddit account because I was feeling peevish and grumpy over discussions I was seeing here and on menslib. My feeling is that the academy is in enemy hands, and that the MRM, while a worthy cause, is most useful to the kinds of men that are seen as losers to the rest of society- men who are not the best candidates for producing literature, and whose support tends… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/07/20 07:39 PM |
| 4 | Why feminists should stop using terms like "fragile masculinity"To be fair, while I have a lot of issues with Connell, messerschmidt, et al- they actually do put a fair amount of solid work into looking at this stuff. It's just that- particularly on reddit, even the feminists interested in men's issues rarely read any of the texts whose authority they try to assume. Every time I see someone from menslib blithely state that hegemonic masculinity is the same thing as "toxic masculinity" (a term that comes from the mythopoetic men's movement and has no real fix… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/07/20 02:31 PM |
| 5 | Why feminists should stop using terms like "fragile masculinity"Well, to start, precarious manhood is an actual technical term with a fairly rigorous amount of study, and fragile masculinity is a term that, to the best of my knowledge has no academic basis. Feel free to provide a solid citation (ie, peer-reviewed publication, not some professor's personal blog) if I am wrong about this. Since fragile masculinity is just a buzzword, it doesn't actually have a rigorous meaning, it could be used to mean anything. I can't solidly contrast something that means so… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/07/20 03:13 AM |
| 5 | Why feminists should stop using terms like "fragile masculinity"The big issue, in my view, is that these terms appear to be neologisms for precarious manhood, that strip a very important concept from precarious manhood. Precarious manhood is about norms, and consequences from defecting from those norms. People who use terms like fragile masculinity seem to me to be trying to shift all the agency to the men in question, and imply that there is no larger society complicit in creating and enforcing those norms. Worse, they imply that the men who perform negativ… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/07/20 04:07 AM |
| 6 | Why feminists should stop using terms like "fragile masculinity"precarious manhood is fine since it actually describes something in a fairly useful way, and is an actual term with some theoretical grounding. "fragile" and "brittle" masculinity are just terms that expose an underlying disposition towards masculinity since they are thought terminating cliches with no academic grounding. I'd be fine with hegemonic masculinity too if anyone could be relied on to have actually read connell and know what the hell it was. As is, it's like the litmus test that shows… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/07/20 02:52 AM |
| 3 | MRA or Antifeminist.Sorry it has taken so long to respond. I guess the concern I have around antifeminism before men's rights is best illustrated with a hypothetical situation. Let's say that there is an issue that is in men's best interests, and for some selfish reason NOW is actually incentivized to help- and would look good for doing so. The antifeminist call in that situation would seem to be to refuse their help- which seems to me to be cutting off the nose to spite the face. There is ample reason to be suspic… | /r/MensRights | 26/06/18 08:05 PM |
| 12 | MRA or Antifeminist.Honestly- I think your reading of what woah posted is a bit more hostile than is really needed. I think the first claim- that some MRAs are antifeminists first and mras second is fairly defensible. I don't remember which video it was, but I remember girlwriteswhat making the statement that she was an antifeminist first and a MRA second. I don't remember which video that claim was made in, and can't think of a way to provide a strong citation short of rewatching 30 or so hours of video- but I ass… | /r/MensRights | 24/06/18 08:02 PM |
| 1 | What is an Alpha Male?I'm curious whether you see "alpha" as contextual at all? Does one culture have "alpha" traits that don't apply to a different culture? Do subcultures have their own alpha traits? Would someone like John Scalzi qualify as an alpha male in his cultural enclave? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/08/16 10:43 PM |
| 2 | Incels, how do you keep yourself from getting depressed and having suicidal thoughts?A few people here have rephrased this question in a way that is more about how you deal with isolation- pointing out that when you crave companionship, it's hard to find it because neediness is off-putting. I think TRP actually has some good advice for this- hitting the gym and working on interests is really fucking good advice. But I spent a year doing another ritual that made my life a lot better: every week I did something I'd never done before, by myself, and wrote about it in a journal. Doi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/02/16 07:06 PM |
| 1 | Hey /r/mensrights, not unlike the other guy, I'm also writing an essay.this is pretty good. | /r/MensRights | 17/02/16 10:59 PM |
| 1 | Meet the "Brogressive." Feminists create yet another catchy term to separate real progressives (who must be feminist) from the fake ones (who care about due process).I think it's important to distinguish between liberal and progressive (see this article for context) because it makes a distinction that helps resist this kind of in-group pressure. | /r/MensRights | 29/09/15 06:22 PM |
| 2 | Does anyone have any advice for what I should say to a male feminist who tells me that "Men have all the rights" and that "There's no such thing as a male rights activist"?Point him at this. It's relatively ideology-neutral. He probably has a particular view of the MRM, so start with the platform itself. If you can reach agreement on that, it's more of a question of what the best way to go about addressing that platform is. | /r/MensRights | 11/06/15 09:44 PM |
| 2 | A rant about how females tell us to "man up"I've grown to appreciate exhortations to "man up" as convenient signposts highlighting what social expectations I should confront. It's like shorthand for "in case you missed it, I just tried to sell you some bullshit". | /r/MGTOW | 03/06/15 01:01 AM |
| 3 | Mens rights group allowed to march in gay pride parade.That was mentioned several times. Maybe I'm paranoid but that article really read like pleading for someone to give them an excuse to exclude cafe. | /r/MensRights | 31/05/15 05:02 AM |
| 2 | I'm totally going to see Mad Max, who's with me?They seem to be politically far-right and see themselves as put upon by society to be providers for people they view as leeches (women, the poor, etc., but mostly women). Erm. Not how I see MGTOWs at all. I'm not really up on the current crop of prominent MGTOWs, so maybe you are describing a something else, but I think Barbarossaa is pretty indicative of MGTOW, and is vehemently nonpartisan (there are no MRAs in the republican or democratic parties). I'm a MGTOW. I've found that closing the doo… | /r/MensRights | 15/05/15 12:39 AM |
| 2 | Black and Male, the difference in treatment of two disposable demographics.Yeah, that's why I made the distinction of lay-feminism (people who identify as feminists without having really read a lot). The objectification that nussbaum writes about in objectification is a lot more nuanced (and can be applied to exploiting men's utility as well). Dworkin and McKinnon were the crude predecessors of Nussbaum (she cites them at the beginning of objectification), and I think their views on objectification bear the closest resemblance to the notion that is invoked outside of a… | /r/MensRights | 12/02/15 04:24 PM |
| 2 | Black and Male, the difference in treatment of two disposable demographics.and a lot of Dworkin's concepts of what sexual objectification is still seem to permeate lay-feminism, even if people aren't aware of it. | /r/MensRights | 12/02/15 05:09 AM |
| 1 | I've seen reference to register-her being defunct, but the site is still up and I haven't seen any official statement- anyone know what the deal is?Sorry- I hadn't thought about the implications of mentioning it on mensrights- I apologize. I'll ask in their forums. | /r/MensRights | 10/09/14 06:33 PM |
| 1 | My biggest question for MRAs: truly curiousIt's hard to answer this question personally, because I am me, and I like me- so I would choose to be me. In order to avoid that confusion- I'll answer "if you were having a kid, would you worry more about the future of a son or daughter?". The answer to that is that I would worry more about a son. Obviously there is a class assumption that gets bundled into that rephrasing of the question, since I assume that I would be providing for them (which assumes that they would live in a decent neighbor… | /r/MensRights | 21/08/14 12:37 AM |
| 5 | If anonymous threats to Anita Sarkeesian are evidence of misogyny in gaming culture, does that mean that these decade-old death threats to anti-game activist Jack Thompson evidence of widspread misandry?I'm actually pretty ashamed that it never occurred to me before now to consider Jack Thompson and Anita Sarkeesian as they relate to each other. | /r/MensRights | 31/07/14 08:13 PM |
| 6 | [QUESTION] Are You A MRA?I'm an mra. I don't have a problem with egalitarians but I wear the label to support the notion that men deserve a gender identity movement that focuses on their issues, rather than how women are affected by men's issues. | /r/MensRights | 22/07/14 05:18 AM |
| 1 | Psychologists find that entitlement predicts sexism, in both men and womenis there a non-paywalled version of the study to look at? | /r/MensRights | 18/07/14 06:25 PM |
| 5 | What is the number 1 issue facing men and boys today?I'd say you are in an excellent position to work on educational attainment issues. Have you seen the lecture Dr James Brown delivered for CAFE? He identifies things you can do to help your boys, and things you can ask of their school system (more male teachers, more boy-friendly books, longer recess, etc..) Leondard Sax wrote two good books on the topic too- check out "Boys Adrift" and "Why Gender Matters" | /r/MensRights | 18/07/14 05:33 PM |
| 1 | Reporter who commented on 'black men growing up without fathers' suspendedI've seen enough abuse of authority by police to be reluctant to attribute a dislike of the police to fatherlessness. Which isn't to say that fatherlessness isn't a legitmate problem- just that the police don't treat all people equally, and especially in urban areas resentment of the police is a letitmate response to the way people are treated by some police officers. The number of poor men (of all races) in prisons, and the way that a criminal record interacts with social programs, the job mark… | /r/MensRights | 17/07/14 04:07 PM |
| 2 | Question: How many of you are disillusioned feminists?I grew up considering myself a feminist, and kept it up until I was 37? 38? At some point it became clear to me that my feminist LGBTQ friends considered me the exception to the rule, and the only thing keeping them from expressing hate of me was that they liked me, even though they had a problem with everything that constituted my intersectionality. Moreover, their feminisms dictated that that hate was completely justified and acceptable. I still like my friends, but I'm saddened by their ideol… | /r/MensRights | 11/07/14 05:14 AM |
| 2 | Suggested response to the #BanBossy thing: #OwnItDontBanItThere was a pretty good post about "bossiness" here 11 months ago. It seems relevant to recent events. | /r/MensRights | 12/03/14 05:42 PM |
| 1 | Creating A Classroom Library For Our Boys...My friend's son really liked the eragon books. He doesn't read much, but he was very excited to read each of those. | /r/MensRights | 05/03/14 03:55 AM |
| 1 | Does anyone have current information on sub crossover?this is exactly what I was looking for. thank you for being full of awesome knowledge. | /r/MensRights | 13/02/14 05:32 PM |
| 4 | Feminist journalist: "I can almost imagine MRAs desperately willing for more men to get raped so they can instrumentalise them."I can almost imagine MRAs desperately willing for more men to get raped so they can instrumentalise them. Maybe MRAs should conduct studies which can be used to classify men as rape victims, even if they don't identify as rape victims then. I wonder if there is any methodology that we could use as a template? | /r/MensRights | 07/02/14 11:40 PM |
| 2 | Life like sculpture of a man sleepwalking in a zombie like pose in underwear on an all women campus? Clearly a source of apprehension, fear, and triggering thoughts regarding sexual assaultIt's interesting what preconceptions and attitudes this exposes. The statue does not have a threatening posture. The statue does not have an erect bulge. The statue does not have a sexualized posture, and is not sexually provocative. That this statue is a "source of apprehension, fear, and triggering thoughts regarding sexual assault for many" implies that masculinity itself, or at least male sexuality is culturally threatening. The fact that this statue shows a vulnerable man, sleepwalking in h… | /r/MensRights | 06/02/14 08:12 PM |
| 2 | I wrote an article about being raped. Hope it sparks some discussion.Thanks for telling your story. | /r/MensRights | 22/01/14 07:06 PM |
| 3 | I rolled my eyes when I saw an article on women raping menI think that depends on where you are in the relationship. I've been awoken by a blowjob that was intended to fix the relationship, and it was not welcome. Some people like being awoken by sex- but it should be discussed beforehand, and even then, prior consent should be judged in the context of the overall health of the relationship. It's not ok to just start fucking or fondling someone without permission- male or female. | /r/MensRights | 17/01/14 09:31 PM |
| 6 | I rolled my eyes when I saw an article on women raping menThe internet is a weird place. I was actually the person interviewed, whose story you are now recounting to me. I'm not usually unable to communicate that I am not interested in sex- only when awoken at 3 am by a relative stranger. | /r/MensRights | 17/01/14 04:51 AM |
| 11 | I rolled my eyes when I saw an article on women raping menYou might just tell them casually some time that if they ever aren't in the mood, it's ok to just say so. I don't know which article you read, but most cases I know of involve cases where "no" was ignored, or where consent was impossible. I know there's no universal working battle plan and it depends on the guy but I feel like some men would be offended that I would imply I could rape them. Frankly, I don't want to have to ask "Hey, you wanna do it?" every time because I expect him to be able to… | /r/MensRights | 17/01/14 04:15 AM |
| 7 | Buzzfeed can eat shit: 24 Reasons Husbands Can't Be Trusted To Do Anything Rightif the wife can't appreciate a puppy name "Ozzy Pawsbourne, Prince of Barkness", she doesn't deserve her husband. | /r/MensRights | 17/01/14 02:59 AM |
| 3 | Can we have a discussion about this and what your view is?I haven't been able to unearth any studies that really document what the effect of "porn addiction" are. I totally believe that having effective masturbation aids change the dynamics of sexual relations between heterosexual men and women. I suspect that something similar happened with the vibrator. Porn makes orgasms cheaper for men, which- in turn- means that sex alone isn't enough to maintain a relationship. This will change things. Porn may also open men to the possibility of other sex practi… | /r/MensRights | 15/01/14 07:58 AM |
| 1 | In Which A Gender Theorist Asks For AssistanceI'm a fan of your essays. If you're asking for examples of things that I don't feel are adequately explained by some of them, I'd say: the role of the masculine righteous defector (or rebel) needs to be better addressed with the essentialism you discussed in "the literal patriarchy" I think that there ARE transcendent essentialisms associated with femininity (and they are expressed in the way women experience gender policing). I think that the two models of essentialism ARE very useful in unders… | /r/MensRights | 13/01/14 06:27 PM |
| 11 | Men – if you're not a feminist, it's fine, just move onpoints for honesty | /r/MensRights | 09/01/14 08:47 PM |
| 10 | George Takei - Supports Male Related issue - Feminists: this is a feminist issue not a 'Male Issue'.Michael Kimmel is featured in the preview, so I would guess that this is a fair assessment. | /r/MensRights | 09/01/14 02:00 AM |
| 7 | Feminists and TranssexualsThere aren't that many male spaces to be excluded from. We don't really have a Michigan Myn's Music Festival. Even bathroom hysteria seems to be centered on protecting women from men. | /r/MensRights | 08/01/14 09:56 PM |
| 2 | Racism May Accelerate Aging in African American Men- Interesting Implications.If you like, I could post this on NCFM's yahoo! group and see if other members have an interest. That's actually an interesting idea. I'm actually a NCFM member too, but I don't use the yahoo group much. If you want to take it there, I'd be interested in seeing if we could get something going. | /r/MensRights | 08/01/14 09:14 PM |
| 3 | Racism May Accelerate Aging in African American Men- Interesting Implications.oh- I didn't mean to say that the study focused on men because of the women are wonderful effect, I meant that I wondered if there were a related effect to internalized misandry. Honestly, I'm more interested in finding out whether there is a similar effect in men who internalize negative stereotypes about their sex and/or gender. This is exactly what I meant to communicate. | /r/MensRights | 08/01/14 08:46 PM |
| 3 | Let's talk about the 'Friend Zone'I think the "friend zone" is used by men and women both in a very passive-aggressive way. I have tremendous sympathy for guys who can't crack the code and effectively pursue a relationship, and I understand the frustration of a woman who suddenly finds herself resented for being friends with someone. There is nothing wrong with wanting a romantic relationship with someone, and there is nothing wrong with NOT wanting a romantic relationship with someone. And there is nothing wrong with coming to … | /r/MensRights | 08/01/14 07:11 PM |
| 3 | The support in the comments for an idea that's a horrible human rights violation is disgustingI'm not in support of forcing anyone to do anything with their body- but I have to say that if there WERE a 100% effective, affordable, no-complications form of birth control available for men, I'd be less supportive of LPS. | /r/MensRights | 08/01/14 05:04 PM |
| 3 | Transmen & MRMgender identity is a thing. transmen welcome. | /r/MensRights | 16/12/13 03:48 AM |
| 5 | GitHub removes a parody of a proposed Feminist Software Language - no reason is givenFor me it's almost never application X that I find difficult to set up. It's me being comfortable that the server I set up six months ago is still secure today. yeah, every application you use is another attack surface you have to worry about. your point about bitbucket/github and recruiters make me so glad I'm not in the bay area- I'm lucky enough that you can find a job pretty easily in my area if you have good references, can provide a portfolio of good work, and acquit yourself at a white bo… | /r/MensRights | 14/12/13 06:06 AM |
| 5 | GitHub removes a parody of a proposed Feminist Software Language - no reason is givenI am not sure I want to run Apache anywhere You can use nginx instead if that feels better- but overall I agree, I use bitbucket for a lot of small projects just because it's a quick and easy way to get a small repo accessible on the web. But vortexcortex is right in that git hosting isn't rocket science. | /r/MensRights | 14/12/13 05:42 AM |
| 2 | Why Men's Rights?which would be fair if we had organizations as large and influential as NOW. I'm not aware of any organization identifying itself as part of the MRM that has even one lobbyist. | /r/MensRights | 14/12/13 04:59 AM |
| 14 | GitHub removes a parody of a proposed Feminist Software Language - no reason is givenI wish it would become a big issue because this isn't the case of some repo that just says "fuck amanda marcotte" or worse a zillion times. Yeah- and it might start a much needed debate about tolerance of tone-policing and censorship. It's amazing to me that in such a short time we went from everyone supporting a group of people that wanted to set up an ISP in international waters to protect free speech to this. My own issue with Feminist Programming Language is that it's a known bitch to debug … | /r/MensRights | 14/12/13 04:52 AM |
| 25 | GitHub removes a parody of a proposed Feminist Software Language - no reason is givenThere are so many things to love about C+= (the license, the branchnames, just... it's a masterful satire) . It'll be interesting to see if bitbucket caves under pressure too. I wonder how long before shame from the ada institute arrives? "There is to be no encapsulation: don't tell me to protect my members, tell other functions not to access them!" | /r/MensRights | 14/12/13 01:34 AM |
| 6 | Why Men's Rights?TL;DR - Why is there a fight between two groups who want the same thing? Because the activist arm of one of those groups contributes significantly to the problems the other group is trying to solve. | /r/MensRights | 13/12/13 10:47 PM |
| 3 | Men's Issues Conference - this is an opportunity to further the movement!I'm going to try to attend, and would be glad to buy you a beer, jp. | /r/MensRights | 13/12/13 10:43 PM |
| 3 | Share a story of an emotional or supportive moment you had with another man.I'm lucky- I've been best friends with the same guy for 26ish years. We've been through a lot in that time- and have an understanding between us that we have each others' backs. I think if I disappeared in a third world country, he'd probably drop everything to go looking for me (and I'd do the same for him). One moment that stands out is when I was recovering from a car accident, he visited me every day and would read to me while I was too whacked out on pain killers to carry much of a conversa… | /r/MensRights | 13/12/13 04:15 AM |
| 2 | Question concerning male rape.In my case, I was asleep when it started, and just didn't know what to do about it as it continued (sort of a shock response- you aren't really at your rational best when something like that happens). It took me a long time to even conceptualize it as rape. | /r/MensRights | 13/12/13 01:15 AM |
| 12 | "Society Tells Men That Friendship Is Girly. Men Respond by Not Having Friends."Chalk this heart-squeezing shift up to our limiting ideals of masculinity, which define themselves in opposition to all things feminine. Yes. This is about misogyny and not at all about the platonic essentialism through which masculinity is understood. It's really amazing to me how /u/yetanothercommenter makes a post on reddit that is a more sophisticated critique of the masculine identity than anything published by supposed experts like Kimmel. This narrative that masculinity is only expressed … | /r/MensRights | 11/12/13 08:01 PM |
| 2 | Michael Kimmel on the MRM - "Their pain is real, but not true."Truthy! | /r/MensRights | 11/12/13 05:03 AM |
| 18 | Someone explain to me the purpose of the litany of rules and guidelines on r/feminism.Am I wrong in saying that that's exactly what they've done there? Nope, that's basically it. | /r/MensRights | 10/12/13 02:28 AM |
| 6 | I feel like this is the biggest problem in the gender equality debate.There's definitely some of that that goes on (in the form of manboobz and avfm's more confrontational pieces), but the problems run much deeper, in that the MRM confronts deeply-ingrained cultural beliefs (like hyper and hypo agency), and challenges cherished beliefs of feminism (like the view that men have organized to oppress women throughout all but the most recent of history). I don't think it's just a simple misunderstanding that could be resolved over a cup of coffee if we all just agreed … | /r/MensRights | 10/12/13 12:58 AM |
| 11 | Had a little twitter discussion with Cory Doctorow todayYup. I had to bid a fond farewell to feeling that I shared community with a lot of my favorite sci-fi-ish authors when I adopted the label MRA. Cory Doctorow, John Scalzi, the various people associated with wootstock. All imagine that they are so open-minded and intellectually fearless, but the reality is anything but. I'm amazed that anyone can watch videos of the protests at the university of toronto, and still feel that it's the MRM that behaved badly there. | /r/MensRights | 10/12/13 12:08 AM |
| 2 | Best Men's Rights organizations to donate to?I've donated to avoiceformalestudents, cafe, fire, saveservices, the innocence project, ncfm, the national parents organization, and avoiceformen. I've looked for something like the sentencing project that doesn't look to INCREASE the sentencing disparity between men and women, but had no luck, which is really a shame. | /r/MensRights | 09/12/13 12:04 AM |
| 6 | Confused about MRM. What are some good places to start?You might find http://www.newmalestudies.com/OJS/index.php/nms interesting. While feminism is given no special breaks, the articles put the issues of men first and are more academic. It's possible to tiptoe around the elephant in the room (feminism) when talking about men's issues, but what you choose to talk about is your choice. New Male Studies may interest you even if you want to stay silent. | /r/MensRights | 07/12/13 07:24 AM |
| 2 | On the Duluth ModelHere's some material from SAVE about the history of predominant aggressor policies, and how they are enforced. | /r/MensRights | 07/12/13 04:35 AM |
| 8 | MRAs of r/mensrights I need your help I will be speaking to my school of 800 people about men's rightsRefer to a voice for male students the statistics about boys in schools are sobering, and new to most people. It's also a pertinent issue to students. | /r/MensRights | 05/12/13 02:57 AM |
| 2 | "Young people are going to pay more, men are going to pay more relative to women, and healthy people are going to pay more relative to sick people." Susan Reimer: Um. Right. That's what insurance is supposed to do..."Women go to the doctor much more often than men!" Mr. Stossel said in an animated on-air rant. "Maybe they're smarter or maybe they're hypochondriacs. If I were to suggest something positive for the MRM to do with the ACA, it would be to encourage more boys and men to use their health insurance to avail themselves of health care. To get their money's worth. It bothers us all that male life expectancy is lower than that of women- and internalized male disposability bothers us too. I don't see ho… | /r/MensRights | 12/11/13 11:43 PM |
| 2 | Gender roles essaySentencing disparity has been covered elsewhere in this thread, but I'd also suggest talking to the boys crisis in schools. There's a lot of good information on a voice for male students that is sobering. Especially when you forecast the economics of men over the next 30-40 years based on existing trends. Fewer men are making it out of highschool, and work that doesn't require a degree is getting scarcer and paying less. | /r/MensRights | 12/11/13 12:15 AM |
| 10 | Article about Women in Silicon valley that makes some fairly sweeping statements about men.Ms Kane believes this move away from the stereotype of the reserved geek and towards a new hyper-masculine personality is an effort by some men to reclaim power. No. It's just that more people want to work with computers these days. Those guys have always existed, but are now interested in computers for the same reason that more women are getting interested in computers: it's a growth sector that pays well. The stereotypically reserved geeks are still interested in computers, and are still there… | /r/MensRights | 11/11/13 06:46 PM |
| 7 | Essentially how it goes.Being against the state subsidy of X doesn't imply being against X. I get this. I'm in the camp of preferring free birth control to be so prevalent that you can't avoid it even with a surprise chance encounter, but I can make the distinction you are talking about. | /r/MensRights | 11/11/13 04:23 PM |
| 1 | I realize women only get 85% of a man's salary, but...Sorry- I misread the original post. | /r/MensRights | 10/11/13 07:12 PM |
| 2 | I realize women only get 85% of a man's salary, but...(edit: I should probably mention that I responded primarily because I like people who play D&D :) ) I think you'll find that most people in the MRM think that an 85% pay gap is a legitimate thing to be outraged if it really is an 85% pay gap for same job, same hours, same everything. The problem is that that there are numerous studies indicating that the wage gap is highly exaggerated. This is easy to believe, because it is clearly such an effective message for generating outrage (hence your pos… | /r/MensRights | 10/11/13 05:44 PM |
| 6 | Women behind bars: State takes a new approachA lot of this copy reads like boilerplate from the sentencing project. The sentencing project is a perfect example of what happens when you take an "intersectional" approach applied to class based thinking. Women have to have it worse than men, somehow- so for every other minority, the sentencing project focuses on sentence disparity; but since gender is a bigger factor than even race in sentencing disparity, and women must be oppressed, they focus on the increasing rate of incarceration. It rem… | /r/MensRights | 10/11/13 02:46 AM |
| 3 | We have a responsibility to start using the phrase "Genital Mutilation" and not Fe/male Genital Mutilation.Do you think that we can rely on everyone we talk to making the connection between circumcision and genital mutilation? If not, then we aren't ready abandon the term. | /r/MensRights | 09/11/13 05:32 PM |
| 11 | Noah Berlatsky attacks Joss Whedon's speech on "Equality is the Natural Order & the word Genderist", claiming Whedon needs feminist indoctrination, and to get rid of his white male privilege.Can I just express amusement that I am repeatedly told that Andrea Dworkin isn't relevant, that nobody studies her, and that invoking her philosophy in criticism of modern feminism really isn't fair play- and yet she still seems to be invoked here with a reverential tone? | /r/MensRights | 09/11/13 05:14 PM |
| 2 | Im a highschool student in a very odd situation. Typing isn't my strong point so I put the story in a vocarooAm I understanding this right? You made out once, broke it off, and then she started telling people that you had done more? And then your mutual friend applied pressure for you to have sex with her? And that now, because she is unhappy, unstable, threatening, and has sex on her mind, you worry what she might start saying, because as a guy you would be powerless to refute certain allegatgions? If so- I've been through something similar, and know how bad that feels. Let me just start off by saying… | /r/MensRights | 08/11/13 01:22 AM |
| 7 | Nathanson & Young | Review of Michael Kimmel's Guyland. (Goes beyond Kimmel's book, though)That really does speak to an issue I think face boys today- there is still the perception of hyperagency that has always come from traditionalism, but on top of that, there's progressive hyperagency ("teach men not to rape" being an example). All of this takes place over a backdrop where boys are viewed as being over-privileged, and deserving of disempowerment. | /r/MensRights | 07/11/13 09:56 PM |
| 3 | Surprisingly, my local paper carried this piece. It's nice to see some positive things on this sub once in a while.It's nice to see that men have issues is mentioned. I don't think this article actually mentions men's issues though- except that it hedges around sort of, maybe, acknowledging disposability. It's more of the kind of masculism that seeks to answer the question "what's wrong with men?". What I fear is that this is an attempt to coopt the movement in order to advance more reforms that harm boys by demonizing boyhood and shaming boys for the entertainment they like. | /r/MensRights | 07/11/13 08:43 PM |
| 7 | The deal with emasculation?So this is purely self interest and curiosity, but I find it very confusing when I go through this sub that alot of people care very strongly about x y or z being emasculating. Could you provide examples? I haven't noticed that myself... | /r/MensRights | 07/11/13 07:05 PM |
| 4 | Poster I saw at a punk festival. Thoughts (x-posted)I think feminism as a rule looks to move the masculine gender role towards more of a feminine one- it doesn't really expand it. Here's more of what I mean | /r/MensRights | 06/11/13 09:58 PM |
| 13 | “Women ... have long known that men have a special vulnerability when it comes to sex”"No sex until the road is fixed"? How about "fix your own damn road"? Yeah, it's not really a "We Can Do It!" story. It sets up the message that sex is payment for labor. | /r/MensRights | 05/11/13 11:28 PM |
| 2 | The reason we're not taken seriously is partly because many of you don't seem to respect women's issues.The first paragraph was an explanation of why you encounter hostility towards feminism, and why that's ok. That was a response to this: What I am saying is that I sense from many people here a general feeling of hostility towards feminism The last paragraph was a response to "more problems than we have". I'm saying that Men's Rights should concern itself with issues concerning both genders I don't deny women have issues, and I do support them when I wear other hats. But I don't actually think th… | /r/MensRights | 05/11/13 01:30 AM |
| 3 | Reddit is "a bunch of men with a MASSIVE persecution complex. They probably haven't met or known many women, but the ones they have probably avoid them, and so that re-affirms their already self-reaffirming ideas they get from MRAs on the internet."Strawmen are so convenient. | /r/MensRights | 04/11/13 11:42 PM |
| 14 | Confused about the perception of Men's RightsI suspect that the casual observer misconstrues women behaving badly posts as misogyny. | /r/MensRights | 04/11/13 09:43 PM |
| 21 | People complaining that Wikipedia editors are biased against mens rights contentAre you assuming that these complaints assumed that only women were biased against the MRM? I think you may be working from a framework where men's rights is best thought of as "men vs women", which is inaccurate. edit to clarify: arguments identifying a problem suffered by one gender (suppression of a discussion of men's issues) cannot be dismissed by assigning the origin of that problem to the same gender (90% wikipedia editors). | /r/MensRights | 04/11/13 08:18 PM |
| 2 | Does this mean that MRA as a community is finally getting through. Is this one woman an anomaly for reddit?I generally try to avoid "this" comments, but since this thread exists and the author may eventually see the thread, I wanted to indicate complete agreement with this in a manner more visible than a simple upvote. | /r/MensRights | 04/11/13 08:14 PM |
| 6 | Can I be a Feminist and an MRA?it comes up frequently because there is a big emotional bribe for supporting the feminist brand. fwiw: as long as you support men's rights, you can apply the MRA label to yourself. You can call yourself a feminist if you want, but I think that the more you dig into men's problems, the more you are going to understand why many former feminists now consider themselves egalitarian antifeminists. | /r/MensRights | 04/11/13 04:08 AM |
| 3 | Why MRAs don't like "creep-shaming" via /r/FeminismBecause it's a lot more comfortable to reframe criticism of institutional discrimination against men, often facilitated by femininist activists into a discussion over whether women have the right to choose who their sexual partners are. | /r/MensRights | 03/11/13 06:33 PM |
| 3 | Feminist Forces /r/science to Change Its Banner From One With Fair Distribution of Sexes to One Of All WomenAn issue as in what Well, presumably their issue is that there aren't a lot of women contributing to STEM fields. I think the rest of your post was an earnest response to what you assumed I was saying, but inadvertently you set up a strawman argument to dismantle. The argument I meant to make with that post is that arguments identifying a problem suffered by one gender cannot be dismissed by assigning the origin of that problem to the same gender. This distinction is central to the apex fallacy. | /r/MensRights | 02/11/13 09:12 PM |
| 4 | Make fatherhood a man's choiceOne of the things I like to think differentiates the MRM from mainstream feminism is that we don't care if you choose not to take our label. I'll support the author's call for Legal Paternal Surrender, because I am interested in the issue. Of course, I'll also be secretly amused that the author considers the movement to be "intellectually weak" when I credit the effectiveness of their advocacy with the presence of these issues in mainstream debate. As the article points out, the idea of legal pa… | /r/MensRights | 02/11/13 09:01 PM |
| 14 | Feminist Forces /r/science to Change Its Banner From One With Fair Distribution of Sexes to One Of All WomenThat's interesting information, but it doesn't mean that there isn't an issue. Similar arguments are made when it is pointed out that men suffer more violence than women. | /r/MensRights | 02/11/13 07:12 PM |
| 3 | Help Me r/MensRights - Can anyone find me an article that explains why men's rights activists are sometimes unjustifiably hostile towards feminism?I don't think hostility towards feminism is unjustifiable. Here are two recent posts I have made on the issue: one two The argument boils down to: Some feminist activism creates- or actively hampers efforts to fix- men's issues. This activism goes unchallenged because of the moral authority granted by its' association with the feminist name. Change requires challenging the feminist grand narrative, and damaging the feminist brand until it is viewed as a philosophy rather than an ideology. In oth… | /r/MensRights | 02/11/13 05:51 PM |
| 2 | Help Me r/MensRights - Can anyone find me an article that explains why men's rights activists are sometimes unjustifiably hostile towards feminism?Objectively, an issue is systematic if it is enforced (ie power + bias creates the issue). Many, if not most, of the issues the MRM is concerned about are systematic (how could sentencing disparity be anything BUT systematic?). She may acknowledge that the issues exist, but she will have to dismiss each one individually to establish that they aren't serious. Here's a list of male issues stated by someone who specifically and intentionally does not label themselves a MRA. It's up to her to determ… | /r/MensRights | 02/11/13 05:25 PM |
| 4 | Hello Gents! Does anyone know of a group for pure Equality? I'd like to discuss something other than rape and feminism in a respectful and constructive way.Or a sub-subreddit for those of us that are interested in intellectual debate without aggression and disrespect? /r/FeMRADebates is a small sub with a strict behavioral code that might be sort of what you are looking for. /r/Masculism has some very good posts- particularly the ones where /u/YetAnotherCommenter discusses his framework for understanding masculinity. /r/egalitarianism aimed to be something like what you are describing, but it does not get much traffic these days. | /r/MensRights | 02/11/13 05:03 PM |
| 5 | x-post from /r/WTF: 8 year old threatened with expulsion for including guns and knives in his drawings of halloween costumes of soldiers and ninjas.I can't even imagine being a boy in school and hearing true stories like this. It's crazier than urban legends were when I was a kid. | /r/MensRights | 02/11/13 01:12 AM |
| 2 | Why arent we pushing for nationwide paid paternity and paid maternity leave?and people are acquiring much less capital than ever before. That which can be rented rather than sold, is. | /r/MensRights | 01/11/13 06:03 AM |
| 3 | Its been almost a year since I've seen my son. Got to take him trick or treating tonightCongratulations! That's a great picture. | /r/MensRights | 01/11/13 05:58 AM |
| 4 | Why arent we pushing for nationwide paid paternity and paid maternity leave?Heh, I have problems with unregulated free market capitalism myself. I don't see how anyone who has seen the effect of the free market on the ISP industry can still feel that a lack of government interference steers towards an optimal product. Most visions of free market capitalism I hear espoused also seem unable to explain value-based pricing. So... yeah. There are a variety of political viewpoints in the MRM. Until one political body is actively and obviously much better for men's rights than… | /r/MensRights | 01/11/13 05:55 AM |
| 6 | Why arent we pushing for nationwide paid paternity and paid maternity leave?I'd be in favor of this, but I know it would drive the libertarians in the MRM nuts, and given how irritated I get when they try to force their political approach onto the MRM in general, I'd feel like a hypocrite if I did the same to them. If I'm wrong, and there aren't those that consider this an unreasonable act of statist big-governmentism, then the idea sounds good to me. As it is it seems like this is an example of being in one egalitarian state (neither gender has benefits) migrating to a… | /r/MensRights | 01/11/13 05:27 AM |
| 2 | The curious case of Michael Schwern, or: How the Ada Initiative deals with false accusations.Yeah it really irks me when ideologues like those working for the Ada Institute coopt the names women like Ada Lovelace and Hedy Lamarr. | /r/MensRights | 31/10/13 05:00 PM |
| 2 | The Hard Truth About Girl-on-Guy Rapeyes, that's the one. | /r/MensRights | 31/10/13 04:56 PM |
| 4 | The Hard Truth About Girl-on-Guy RapeIt's unequivocally true that she decided to start while I was asleep, rather than wake me up even with some form of foreplay. That was definitely part of the thrill for her. And it's also true that there was no kissing, or affectionate intimacy. So, after being asked to think more about it, I think there's probably something to the accusations of denial. | /r/MensRights | 31/10/13 03:05 AM |
| 11 | The Hard Truth About Girl-on-Guy RapeI notice you conveniently ignored the part where I said: "If she thought it'd be okay she would've done it WHILE YOU WERE AWAKE, which I assume you are 2/3rds of the day." Oh for the love of god. I didn't respond to it the first time because I had already written a novel. I think you are imagining that I think she cared about me in any way- I don't. I think she showed up at night because it occurred to her then that that was what she wanted to do. I don't think that she planned it in advance, an… | /r/MensRights | 31/10/13 01:02 AM |
| 41 | The Hard Truth About Girl-on-Guy RapeFortunately I can give you responses- because those quotes are all attributable to "Charlie", and that's me. Before I address the quotes that "sickened" you- I want to be clear about something: when I agreed to be interviewed, it was very important to me that I not misrepresent anything, and that I be as accurate and honest about the experience as I could. I felt it would be deplorable to exaggerate or manufacture anything (because it would be so disrespectful to other people with similar experi… | /r/MensRights | 30/10/13 11:02 PM |
| 3 | Masculinists appropriating the label of "Men's Rights."I'd refer to them as male supremacists, probably because I think of masculism as the philosphical deconstruction of the male gender (whereas mens rights activism is advocating for the rights of men, and does not require buy-in to those theories). Sort of a nitpick. Because your main point is right- oppression of women is in no way part of a men's rights platform. | /r/MensRights | 30/10/13 09:05 PM |
| 34 | The Hard Truth About Girl-on-Guy RapeIs that because you read the sources cited, and had a problem with the methodology of the study, or because the numbers are so at odds with what you would expect? The study mentioned in this article is enjoying a lot of debate in the last 30 or so hours on this subreddit, here's a response to some of the criticism | /r/MensRights | 30/10/13 08:18 PM |
| 5 | "Manboobz" David Futrelle explicitly states that forcing a man to penetrate someone with his penis is not rapeYes it is. I started to reply trying to pull particularly well-spoken pieces from it, but there are too many of them. If there's an issue that illustrates that Futrelle is more interested in scoring points on the MRM than anything else, it's this. | /r/MensRights | 30/10/13 08:05 PM |
| 6 | Gut-check: Double Standards that Men benefit fromThe double standards pertaining to having a lot of partners works when examined from having few partners too. If a man doesn't have a lot of sex, that's grounds for shaming. | /r/MensRights | 30/10/13 05:03 PM |
| 18 | Ebay executive and feminist author urges ambitious young women to choose only men for their enthusiasm (or willingness to be trained) to do chores.I don't have a problem with the notion of looking for a partner who is going to contribute equally to a relationship. I'd probably encourage ambitious young women who are focused on their career to seek men who are more interested in taking care of the home, because there are guys out there who aren't interested in the rat race, and wouldn't mind carrying more of the load while she focused on her career. Oddly enough- in another sub, /u/caimis pointed out that things are already pretty equal | /r/MensRights | 30/10/13 04:44 PM |
| 3 | A Good CounterArgument Against A Common Feminist ArgumentI generally explain that I dislike the term patriarchy because it is a term that encompasses too many different contradictory definitions, and the language has some misandry encoded into it ("patriarchy is what is responsible for society's ills- and the solution is feminism"). If someone happens to endorse a definition of patriarchy that is best described as a cognitive bias that attributes expectations of greater power/responsibility to men than is reasonable, and lesser power/responsibility to… | /r/MensRights | 30/10/13 03:57 PM |
| 2 | Our Toolbox Now Contains a Field Guide of Feminists - Feedback?but I feel awk about it so try not to judge me or whatever. aw, thanks. I appreciate it. | /r/MensRights | 30/10/13 03:39 PM |
| 4 | I need some links to reliable sources.if you send me your email in a pm, I'll send you a copy of the tiddlywiki that I keep notes in, which contains a number of studies tagged appropriately. | /r/MensRights | 30/10/13 02:33 AM |
| 5 | Our Toolbox Now Contains a Field Guide of Feminists - Feedback?Just that you shouldn't jump the gun and attack someone who might hold similar beliefs to you just because he/she calls herself a feminist. We shouldn't attack the person- simply the act of calling oneself a feminist. What basis do you have for that? The lack of mainstream equity feminist voices, and an observed lack of awareness of what is done under the name of feminism. I know that this isn't a comfortable thing to hear- because I know that you are an equity feminist. And I have had many disc… | /r/MensRights | 30/10/13 02:25 AM |
| 5 | Our Toolbox Now Contains a Field Guide of Feminists - Feedback?I appreciate the work you are doing, but... I really am not comfortable with this being the endorsed position of this sub. Maybe I don't have the proper perspective on this, but it seems to me that what we have here is a very brief account of the history of feminism which ignores huge swathes of feminism just to make this point: These feminists usually fit in well here at /r/MensRights - don't attack them for calling themselves feminists. To which, I really have to say, as politely as I can fuck… | /r/MensRights | 30/10/13 01:27 AM |
| 3 | I told my dad I don't take feminism in the US seriously (that we're not a country that really needs it), and he said that means I'm against equal rights.You could say that there are at least three separate gender equality movements in the united states, all with the professed aim of gender equality: 1) Feminism (s - because there are a lot of different schools) 2) Egalitarianism 3) the Men's Rights Movement Despite having similar goals, they differ in underlying philosophies and approaches. The concept of gender equality has been around long enough for there to be a lot of details for the devil to hide in. Maybe the most simple thing to say is: … | /r/MensRights | 29/10/13 11:05 PM |
| 17 | "America [is] roamed by angry white dudes for whom firearms are a prop for lost power."Oh Amanda Marcotte. The stories you tell yourself, and what they reveal about you. There's not even an attempt to justify her interpretation of the predominance of white male ownership of guns. What seems really odd to me is that I suspect that the trends she identifies predate this "era of lost power". I am fairly certain Amanda Marcotte was born and raised in urban america, because there is no other way she could be so oblivious to the way that guns are not just symbols of power in rural ameri… | /r/MensRights | 29/10/13 10:43 PM |
| 7 | Men's Rights class projectgoogle docs maybe? | /r/MensRights | 27/10/13 02:40 AM |
| 3 | Men, We Need A FrameworkI think that attempts to divide into classes can be useful when used with sensible specificity on a single issue- like prison sentencing (sentence ratios by gender, by race, by income, etc... these all show variables in the application of justice). It's when these frameworks are applied too broadly that they become too reductionist to be useful (like claiming that men "as a group" have "it" "better" than women "as a group". It's a meaningless statement without a capabilities approach). edit Mayb… | /r/MensRights | 26/10/13 04:40 PM |
| 1 | Men, We Need A FrameworkStrategically, I think expecting a nebulous group to conform to a coherent party line is unrealistic. However, what you describe would make a good foundation for a blog or website. I'd be interested in reading it. I think one of the larger issues that the MRM faces is that it is a social movement in the information age. We have a massive attack surface because everyone can contribute to an essentially permanent public statement. I think what you are trying to do is devise some tactic to try to a… | /r/MensRights | 25/10/13 04:54 PM |
| 8 | Why are so many women identifying as gay or bisexual? According to this family physician/psychologist, because guys are "losers"This may depress you, but Leonard Sax is probably one of the most helpful voices for helping boys in education- Christina Hoff Sommers beats the drum, he makes practical suggestions and conducts studies to see what works. I didn't think much of his attitude in this article either. | /r/MensRights | 23/10/13 10:39 PM |
| 6 | If you are a red pillerI'm not a fan or the redpill myself, but I don't think either you or I are gatekeepers of who gets to be in the MRM. Be specific in your criticism. | /r/MensRights | 23/10/13 02:46 AM |
| 3 | What do you guys think of this?It rubs me the wrong way because it insists on a traditionalist relationship in which the man is responsible for everything. There's no mutuality. It may bother other people for other reasons. Many in the MRM complain about how the provider/protector role is outdated; this article is an advertisement for it. | /r/MensRights | 23/10/13 02:44 AM |
| 5 | Guys, there is a big problem with this sub.I don't think that attacking feminism is counterproductive: many of the organizations responsible for many of men's issues hide under the positive associations with that brand. However I do agree that complaining about feminism isn't enough. Firstly, feminism isn't responsible for every problem men face, and men's issues are tied to social conventions and beliefs that predate feminism, or marxism, or whatever ism you want to scapegoat. That's why there are also posts about FIRE, SAVE, Fathers an… | /r/MensRights | 23/10/13 02:36 AM |
| 8 | Interesting find in the Ann Coulter IAMA........I don't think it's just that. It's just that that is a very small portion of Anne Coulter's "brand". If the main thing people knew about Anne Coulter was that she did stuff like that, her affiliation with her political alliance would be a much smaller issue. Instead, what most people know is outrageous stuff she's said while trying to insult the other "team". | /r/MensRights | 22/10/13 11:32 PM |
| 19 | Interesting find in the Ann Coulter IAMA........Republicans and Democrats are conditioned to have strong in-group preference and out-group bias. Liberals are especially scornful of republican "shock" pundits like Rush Limbaugh or Ann Coulter. This is part of the reason that many people in the MRM advocate against politicizing the movement (the other reason being that neither party is good on men). Honestly, this issue should be as dead as the "should the MRM be faith based or atheist" debate. It's toxic. That said, props to Ann Coulter for de… | /r/MensRights | 22/10/13 10:32 PM |
| 4 | /r/Feminism banned me for posting comments like this, hopefully /r/MensRights will be more receptiveI think a lot of egalitarians are mentally lumped in with the MRM due to their refusal to be assimilated into feminism. All your arguments make sense to me, and I won't try to conscript you into the MRM simply for supporting Men's Rights. | /r/MensRights | 22/10/13 10:19 PM |
| 3 | How are increased Men's rights a benefit to the rest of society?Specifics, please. Which discriminations against men do you feel are justified for the greater good? I don't mind curbing rape, murder, and assault- I just want rapes, murders, and assaults to be curbed no matter who commits them. This would probably include acknowledging and addressing female-initiated sexual assault. It would also include supporting male victims of domestic violence. Honestly, your questions make me wonder if you have any awareness of what the MRM platform is. | /r/MensRights | 22/10/13 09:38 PM |
| 3 | "5 Dating Rules for Single Moms That Could Save Your Child’s Life" Thoughts anyone?There's reference to "facts" that could use substantiation, but overall the idea of considering your child first when dating seems like good advice if your children are your priority. I think it kind of skirts around the question of why a man would be interested in jumping through those hoops (no sex, criminal investigation, etc...) when there are single women out there prepared to share their lives with fewer demands. It could probably use a companion article with suggestions of what you might … | /r/MensRights | 22/10/13 08:13 PM |
| 1 | #mensrightsmovies is trending on twitter.Dear Zachary is a good one. | /r/MensRights | 22/10/13 05:05 PM |
| 3 | I am a feminist and I say we are the same.Hooray! activism works! | /r/MensRights | 21/10/13 10:20 PM |
| 5 | I am a feminist and I say we are the same.you know- I just did too, and saw what you did. The weird thing is when I typed that, I had just done that exercise and seen an article on feministing, and an article on jezebel as my top two results- both articles attempting to downplay the issue. What changed between now and then, I can't say. Proximity to searches about VAWA? Time? | /r/MensRights | 21/10/13 10:17 PM |
| 3 | Lady here, and I have a few things I like to say. And I feel like I'm wading into a pool of sharksI think you should address this post to your ex-boyfriend, not all the people on mensrights that you don't know. There's a certain irony in addressing a complaint about generalizations to a hypothetical audience that is itself a generalization. FWIW, sorry about your experience. I could tell you some stories too. | /r/MensRights | 21/10/13 06:19 PM |
| 67 | I am a feminist and I say we are the same.Here's the real problem. There are some very influential organizations that many would maintain represent mainstream feminism (NOW, AAUW are prime examples) who use their influence in part to actively create some of the issues that the MRM fights. Many good people considering themselves feminist are unaware of this, and continue to support them financially, politically, and morally. They are extremely resistant to hearing the good name of these organizations sullied. Because of the power of the … | /r/MensRights | 21/10/13 04:44 PM |
| 24 | How to respond to the "don't view woman sexually argument" within the context of shamingThe shaming in that language is "possible conquests" when you could easily say that "possible lifemate" would also apply. I've noticed that when complaining about "nice guys" the desires of the "nice guy" is always reduced to sex, whereas I think that most of these "nice guys stuck in the friend zone" are after everything that a relationship offers- the love, the sex, the affirmation, the humor, the pleasure of mutual support and care. A final example is this whole "men are told that society owe… | /r/MensRights | 20/10/13 06:10 PM |
| 12 | Colorlines.com article: "Sexy Female Video Game Avatars Can Negatively Affect Women". Study actually shows oppositeThis issue always amuses me. I participated in the World of Warcraft Beta, and I remember the issue around the original female models belonging to the Horde. The issue was that the female gamers were very unhappy with how unattractive they were. There was tremendous pressure on the developers to pretty them up, and eventually they did. Of course, after release, the developers got a lot of flack over this from feminist gamers who felt that the male-dominated gaming industry was foisting an unfair… | /r/MensRights | 18/10/13 07:14 PM |
| 2 | COTWA is falling down on the job. Under The Goddess hopes to fill the gap.seriously. COTWA has done so much for this community, and activist burnout is a thing. Pissing on the shoulders of giants isn't the best way to start. | /r/MensRights | 18/10/13 04:02 PM |
| 13 | The reason we're not taken seriously is partly because many of you don't seem to respect women's issues.Here's the real problem. There are some very influential organizations that many would maintain represent mainstream feminism (NOW, AAUW are prime examples) who use their influence in part to actively create some of the issues that the MRM fights. Many good people considering themselves feminist are unaware of this, and continue to support them financially, politically, and morally. They are extremely resistant to hearing the good name of these organizations sullied. Because of the power of the … | /r/MensRights | 18/10/13 03:56 PM |
| 8 | My flatmate is mocking my beliefs in Men's RightsIf you want to go the passive-aggressive route of dueling playlists, then Girlwriteswhat has hours of material for you to play. If you want adult discussions, you might ask her if it ever occurred to her that men and women could have issues simultaneously (maybe if she approached it like intersectionality, except instead of just thinking of classes, she added a dimension of issue). If she can conceptualize that, you can say "what if I told you that some of the issues facing men are the direct re… | /r/MensRights | 17/10/13 11:42 PM |
| 3 | Hi /r/mensrights. This video just popped up on my news feed. Thought I would post here and see what you thought.I completely agree. Passing the ERA would be an incredibly big step forward for the MRM. | /r/MensRights | 17/10/13 03:33 PM |
| 2 | Warren Farrell has an interesting history of opinions, where do you stand?here's a video of his speech at University of Toronto- there was a lot of stuff regarding the protests outside, so the actual speech starts at about 54:00 | /r/MensRights | 16/10/13 02:55 AM |
| 5 | Warren Farrell has an interesting history of opinions, where do you stand?The myth of male power is a thought provoking book. His lectures are also high value. Because he is so articulate, there has been considerable effort to assassinate his character by his detractors. Most criticism I've seen directed his way comes either from quote-mining an interview in penthouse from the early seventies, or from controversial passages from Myth of Male power. I believe manboobz even made an attempt to wave hands at providing context, but the critical thing omitted when he did so… | /r/MensRights | 16/10/13 01:45 AM |
| 5 | Men's reproductive rights is the right to not be neutered?I'm just amused that their outrage survived the exercise of attempting to find an option for men that was similar to abortion, and failing. Rather than realizing that they had MORE OPTIONS than men, they just escalated to the option men have which is similar to getting your tubes tied. I'm for women having access to abortions, but that kind of reproductive freedom is a female privilege in this society. | /r/MensRights | 12/10/13 04:10 PM |
| 1 | Doing a Research Paper on Men's Rights.National Parents Organization might be a place to start on custodial rights. Erin Pizzey is someone to research about when studying male victims of domestic abuse | /r/MensRights | 09/10/13 07:38 PM |
| 10 | Any boys or men out there who were sexually assaulted by women?When I was in college, another student (one I knew only by name) let herself into my room and engaged in sex with me while I was sleeping. I awoke to find myself erect and inside her, with her straddling me. I wasn't remotely prepared to process the experience. I wasn't AT ALL interested in the experience (I was physically revolted), but was also concerned that I would hurt her feelings. I halfheartedly tolerated it for a while, pretended to climax, and then pretended to fall asleep while waitin… | /r/MensRights | 09/10/13 07:26 PM |
| 3 | I'm at a loss for words with my Aunt.I have a suspicion that felony disenfranchisement plays a part in that equation. | /r/MensRights | 09/10/13 03:42 PM |
| 24 | Amanda Marcotte writes reform guide to help MRA social skills: "... hit the gym ... use a nice soap ... regular haircuts ... clothes that fit ... have art hanging on the walls" and so forth. Are MRAs semi-literate apes who sleep in filth and have wax drooling from our ears?I'm a little surprised that everyone is accepting her reframing of the MRM as a movement of sexual frustration rather than politics. Nowhere in any MRM platform have I ever seen "our members deserve to get laid". I don't care how many men or women Amanda Marcotte sleeps with, I care about things like boys falling behind in the educational system, lack of due process for boys in college, sentencing disparity, reproductive freedom, misandric portrayals of men in media, and equality for fathers in … | /r/MensRights | 08/10/13 05:32 PM |
| 2 | School suspends child for using finger as pretend gun while playing with friends.If you're asking me to demonstrate systematic oppression from anecdotal evidence, it can't be done. If you're asking how this is relevant to the data on boys disconnecting from public education, I'm suggesting that this is an anecdote of a hostile environment for innocent boyish behavior- and that it is a function of that school's policy rather than that teacher's policy. This isn't an isolated incident either. | /r/MensRights | 01/10/13 10:52 PM |
| 3 | School suspends child for using finger as pretend gun while playing with friends.http://www.avoiceformalestudents.com/know-the-issues/the-war-on-male-students/ | /r/MensRights | 01/10/13 03:19 PM |
| -1 | Samsung Launches Father's Day Campaign for the Galaxy S4This is damage control? Needing youtube to perform basic parenting tasks? | /r/MensRights | 05/06/13 11:23 PM |
| 9 | Naomi Wolf supports the presumption of innocence for men accused of rape. Feminists are shocked.the cultural climate changes fast. I think most denizens of the nineties would have been horrified at the privacy policies of today. | /r/MensRights | 05/06/13 11:15 PM |
| 2 | So personal questionWhy wouldn't they just do it, why post that you're going to do it first? Plea for help or something? Probably something like that (which is good- because they need help). I think a lot of people who kill themselves are of two minds about it (like most difficult decisions where something is sacrificed), and people realize they aren't objective about it. A lot of people want to die because they feel like they have no possible future worth living, or that they are worthless people unworthy of life.… | /r/MensRights | 05/06/13 04:39 PM |
| 6 | Conversation with WooleyBumbleBee (Kristina Hansen)She makes a few leaps in that video (MGTOWs gone wrong), especially without providing any concrete examples to what she is responding to: "Not all MGTOWS are like that". I agree with her on this, but I wish she could have articulated that many MGTOWs are just going their way as a matter of personal preference, or a sense that that is a sensible reaction to a climate of crazy divorce rates, alimony law, child support/custody law, and ineffective prenups. "Some of the commenters on those channels … | /r/MensRights | 04/06/13 11:33 PM |
| 5 | How does being a MRA affect your personal relationships?I feel that publicly announcing it would limit future career opportunities. It's not something I wear on my sleeve. My good friends know it about me, my extended friends probably think that I am a feminist (even though I will occasionally clarify that I am not one) with some unusually pro-male ideas, and who voices specific concerns that are "ok amongst us feminists". Amusingly, I've had friends refer other friends to me with questions about feminism, because they think I know so much about it (… | /r/MensRights | 04/06/13 11:04 PM |
| 3 | De-escalation: It's useful!If you're working a contentious point, present what you understand them to be saying (politely) in your own words, so that they can see that you are making the effort to understand them (and correct you if you genuinely miss their point). Then give your response. Also, plain language. As much as possible. I am grateful for my education, but I did learn a horrible lesson in college which was that pretentious language got better grades- as a result I am constantly fighting against an instinct to u… | /r/MensRights | 04/06/13 08:46 PM |
| 14 | Feminism in AtheismFemFreq doesn't allow comments on their videos because you people challenge her assertions, and Anita Sarkeesian wants to preach, not engage in critical thought. FTFY. The irony of the tropes vs videogames series so far is that the "Damsel in Distress" is Anita Sarkeesians' business model. I'd be really amused if her videos succeeded to the point where people recognized that. | /r/MensRights | 04/06/13 06:32 PM |
| 4 | Facebook wastes no time in banning the truthWhat part of community standards does this violate? | /r/MensRights | 04/06/13 06:06 PM |
| 12 | Feminism in AtheismThe atheism+ movement is, in principle, a group of people who approach atheism from a position of disliking organized religion, as opposed to a position of skepticism. If considered from that point, their point of view is understandable. Of course, it drives me crazy that rebecca watson calls herself a "skepchick" while fighting skepticism when it is inconvenient (such as when it is applied to feminism, or another social justice issue that she is attached to). I think this difference of purpose … | /r/MensRights | 04/06/13 05:48 PM |
| 34 | Christina Hoff Sommers: A Quick Fix for the Wage Gapwhat's more, there is so much diversity pressure in workplaces that a woman EE or programmer will have a much easier time getting a job. In this job market, that's not an insignificant thing. | /r/MensRights | 04/06/13 04:39 PM |
| 1 | Maybe the next Doctor Who could also be a vegetarian and black to make everyone happyZooey Deschanel It's funny, because that would also upset a lot of feminists because of the resentment of the "manic pixie dreamgirl" thing. Although, when you think about it, to most companions- Dr Who is almost a manic pixie dreamboy. | /r/MensRights | 04/06/13 04:32 PM |
| 6 | Conversation with WooleyBumbleBee (Kristina Hansen)I just don't agree that she communicated those ideas at all with the relevant videos. She keeps blaming people for not hearing "what she is saying"- well, that's because she did a poor job presenting those ideas. I agree with a lot of the principles that she claims to have, but I also agree with Paul that she didn't present those ideas at all effectively, and continues to be divisive. Because of her presentation style, I view a lot of the "points" she makes here to be rationalization rather than… | /r/MensRights | 04/06/13 04:10 PM |
| 8 | Maybe the next Doctor Who could also be a vegetarian and black to make everyone happyI'd love to see the doctor have a male companion, almost just for the feminist outcry about "bros in space". Seriously though- real male friendship, so rarely portrayed right, would be awesome in the whoverse. | /r/MensRights | 04/06/13 04:16 AM |
| 1 | While women remain a minority of combatants and perpetrators of war, they increasingly suffer the greatest harm. In contemporary conflicts, as much as 90 percent of casualties are among civilians, most of whom are women and children.Just to check this claim, I went to www.iraqbodycount.org, and looked at this article. Among slightly more than 50,000 victims about whom IBC could obtain demographic information, men numbered 38,441 (77%), women 4,373 (8.7%), and children 4,191 (8.4%). The weapons that kill women and children tend to be different from those used to kill adult males, who are more often directly or even individually targeted. Something's not adding up here. | /r/MensRights | 03/06/13 10:46 PM |
| 3 | Would anyone be interested in helping us for a episode of our podcast about the bias against men in media?how very jerry-springerish. | /r/MensRights | 03/06/13 06:16 PM |
| 2 | Would anyone be interested in helping us for a episode of our podcast about the bias against men in media?If you want to talk to someone expert on the subject, I'd suggest you contact Paul Nathanson or Katherine Young. Or even talk to the guy who runs this channel on youtube | /r/MensRights | 03/06/13 06:11 PM |
| 4 | I'm new around here, and just saw something on facebook which made me seek this page out.I suggest "friending" intelligent commenters and watching /r/friends/ if you find trouble getting the signal/noise ratio you are looking for. Not that I think you will, but it's a good fallback if you get frustrated. | /r/MensRights | 02/06/13 11:16 PM |
| 3 | Les Antigones speak out against Femen - are they TRWAs or genuine anti-feminists?or possibly what christina hoff sommers terms equity feminists. it's hard to tell from this message, which is largely a criticism specific to femen. | /r/MensRights | 02/06/13 08:39 PM |
| 28 | hi im new here and im a married woman.. these are just my views on mens rights and feminism.Thanks for your support. when a woman can dress like a hooker and expect NOT to get raped... is going to be quote mined, so let me just assert that the MRM does not contend that "dressing like a hooker" = consent. I think your greater point is that there is a difference between victim blaming and victim facilitation Sorry to pop in with that after a lovely message of support- I've just been on reddit long enough to see which quotes are going to cause brigades. | /r/MensRights | 02/06/13 06:12 PM |
| 3 | Leaders from various women’s groups and Brooklyn DA seeking re-electrion, announced a new program financed with $430,000 from the city, which allows mothers convicted of felonies to stay out of prison - JusticeHome will be available only to women, mostly mothers, who plead guilty to felonies...and let's not forget the effect of fatherlessness on children | /r/MensRights | 02/06/13 06:18 AM |
| 4 | Leaders from various women’s groups and Brooklyn DA seeking re-electrion, announced a new program financed with $430,000 from the city, which allows mothers convicted of felonies to stay out of prison - JusticeHome will be available only to women, mostly mothers, who plead guilty to felonies...You're going to collapse under the weight of that chip on your shoulder. I'm blaming both. Am I wrong that- traditionally- motherhood is a sacred thing that is privileged? You're putting words in my mouth, but if the shoe fits, wear it. | /r/MensRights | 02/06/13 04:36 AM |
| 3 | Why do you call yourself a Men's Rights Activist?believe me, I completely understand and relate to that sentiment. | /r/MensRights | 02/06/13 02:45 AM |
| 11 | Jim Norton vs. Lindy West on Rape JokesIronic to see a jezebel contributor talk about how speech affects the world | /r/MensRights | 01/06/13 09:53 PM |
| 2 | What are your opinions regarding gender separation?I think equality through homogeneity is not the only route to egalitarianism (though it is the simplest). I'll refer to some studies (two links there) that I think indicate that gender is more than a social construct, but I think even a simple consideration of equality in reproductive freedom shows how this idea is too reductionist to be useful. I suggest you skim through Susan Hoff-Sommers' "The War Against Boys" and Leonard Sax's "Why Gender Matters" to see what some of the practical risks of … | /r/MensRights | 01/06/13 09:37 PM |
| 42 | Leaders from various women’s groups and Brooklyn DA seeking re-electrion, announced a new program financed with $430,000 from the city, which allows mothers convicted of felonies to stay out of prison - JusticeHome will be available only to women, mostly mothers, who plead guilty to felonies...For years, women’s advocates have worked to establish alternatives for mothers convicted of crimes, saying the lives of their children become so upended they often end up in jail themselves. Hm, women's advocates working to privilege "mother" prisoners over "father" prisoners. Who are these women's advocates? Might they even be described as "feminists"? Georgia Lerner, executive director of the Women’s Prison Association, a New York City nonprofit organization that will administer the program, k… | /r/MensRights | 01/06/13 09:21 PM |
| 6 | Quick questionI don't think I agree with your premise on this one. This phenomenon is not limited to governmental function. Victimhood = entitlement to redress in any framework of justice, egalitarian or otherwise. Unless you have a social role that says that takes a particularly dim view of whiners (slaves, and to a lesser extent, men). Consider the ancient practice of "defending a woman's honor". Victimhood is a lever to marshall covert power- it is a tool that compels others to act on your behalf. | /r/MensRights | 01/06/13 08:54 PM |
| 16 | Why do you call yourself a Men's Rights Activist?Because to skip straight to gender egalitarianism without giving men an equal opportunity to examine their gender role and articulate their voice would lay a poor foundation for egalitarianism. Feminism has had a lot to say about the light side of women, and the dark side of men- that message needs to be balanced. Also because, while feminists "feel" oppressed, there is law and policy which discriminates against men. Hence the "rights" in the name. Finally, because taking a label is a political … | /r/MensRights | 01/06/13 08:38 PM |
| 88 | Solo Mother Blocks School's Day Of Male BondingSlightly off-topic, but my father (who was a boy in the 50s) also didn't have a father who lived in-state. He has told me before that a friend's father would act as his father for father-son events at school, and that it meant a great deal to him. So: fathers- if you can find time to do this sort of thing for your sons' friends who don't have fathers, they'll probably still remember and appreciate it when they are in their sixties. | /r/MensRights | 01/06/13 06:39 PM |
| 14 | Quick questionbecause, weird as it might seem, claims to victimhood are empowering. | /r/MensRights | 01/06/13 06:25 PM |
| 1 | Just curious what you think about this video.someday I'd like to know the story behind the weappreciateyou bot | /r/MensRights | 01/06/13 04:20 PM |
| 4 | Just curious what you think about this video.I think this video makes a lot of assumptions about what life is like for men; the authors seem to imagine that men don't experience fear and insecurity (or face a terrifying job market after college, for that matter). On the whole bossiness issue I'm sympathetic to fear and insecurity- but with girls accounting for nearly 60% of college graduates, I'd say the need for special handling is rapidly diminishing. I don't really like casting gender issues as a zero-sum thing, but there is a similar v… | /r/MensRights | 01/06/13 04:18 PM |
| 1 | The hidden meanings in kids' moviesNot a particularly good Ted talk. Actually, I liked his analysis of the wizard of oz, but I've heard better criticisms of star wars, but I'm a geek; despite all the criticism, I love those movies. The fact that the first half hour of star wars has you captivated with the stories of two robots- one who doesn't speak english or even gesticulate meaningfully is still wondrous to me. I also think that this guy is either a sociopath or playing for the audience. His description of his first kiss "wait… | /r/MensRights | 01/06/13 06:48 AM |
| 4 | Request: Link to study(or studies) showing women are more likely to side with each other while men lack this bias.it's also worth noting that your summary is incorrect- this bias is found in men too- men are also more likely to be kindly disposed towards women. | /r/MensRights | 01/06/13 02:41 AM |
| 12 | I feel trapped.I remember looking at my barney lamp (yep, I liked barney, sue me) while my big sister held me while my parents were screaming at each other. ouch. right in the feels. sorry man. | /r/MensRights | 01/06/13 02:35 AM |
| 24 | Feminist fantasizes about tearing groveling male feminist "limb from limb". This is what a feminist looks like."When I think of male heterosexuality, I feel like enacting violence" misandry doesn't real! | /r/MensRights | 01/06/13 02:13 AM |
| 8 | In light of the cracked.com article - What can *we* do to improve our image?Warren Farrell's crime against feminism was admitting that token resistance is something that sometimes happens in mating, but even still, if a woman says no, you should take it as a no. It wasn't even that. He said that a study indicated that was the case. Incidentally, I was amused that when manboobz recently did another "in which I denounce warren farrell- this time with context" article, he didn't consider the citations to be relevant to context. | /r/MensRights | 01/06/13 02:02 AM |
| 3 | What are some instances of feminist groups actively fighting against legislation or other policies that would have served to make the law more gender neutral?Yeah, that was pretty shocking when I read it. Who stole feminism has a lot more examples of outrageous claims that never really got fact checked. A small smattering of them can be seen here when Christina Hoff Sommers replies to allegations that her own research was flawed. | /r/MensRights | 01/06/13 01:52 AM |
| 6 | Request: Link to study(or studies) showing women are more likely to side with each other while men lack this bias.I see Icyx already posted the study. There was a good point brought up discussing this study in the nathanson and young lecture that while that study has good methodology, and certainly seems to be an accurate measurement of today's culture, we have no way of knowing if this was true 50 years ago, 100 years ago, or will be true in 50 years. In other words, take it as a measurement of our current cultural climate, rather than something neccessarily endimic to gendered psychology. | /r/MensRights | 01/06/13 01:43 AM |
| 1 | Are you a men's right's activist and a feminist? - pollI don't think that men have defined women from prehistoric times. I think manhood and womanhood has long been a collaration, both contributing to culture. I think that industrialism brought with it a different modernity, and that women reacted to that, redefining themselves into something much more suited for an industrial era. This is what men are now trying to do. Here's a bit from Warren Farrell's "The Myth of Male Power" that probably speaks to this better than I could in my own words: Why d… | /r/MensRights | 01/06/13 01:36 AM |
| 14 | In light of the cracked.com article - What can *we* do to improve our image?Be less threatening to feminists and traditionalists. In other words, be less effective. Look at it this way- nobody in that group complains about hugo schwyzer or michael kimmel. why? because all they only talk about men in the context of how they can more effectively accommodate women. recognizing the basic humanity of men, beyond their utility as soldiers, leaders, and workers is a revolutionary act. I don't believe it has ever been done. We're not going to succeed without a lot of anger and … | /r/MensRights | 01/06/13 01:12 AM |
| 1 | Are you a men's right's activist and a feminist? - pollWell, bias is certainly possible, but consider first that I identified as a feminist for 21 years prior to identifying as a MRA, and that feminism is a much older and entrenched movement. Then I'd refer you to the fact that many of the writers that are enjoyed by the MRM (warren farrell, christina hoff-sommers, etc...) identify as feminists, but are labeled as antifeminists by other feminists because they are critical of some aspects of feminism. I think that feminism was the first movement, and… | /r/MensRights | 31/05/13 09:20 PM |
| 1 | Are you a men's right's activist and a feminist? - pollThere's a distinction to be drawn here- the MRM shouldn't be conflated with masculism- the MRM really should be the practical arm, concerned largely with legislation and policy, much as feminist activism and feminist theory might be separated. The MRM and the practical branch of feminism both claim to try to bring about egalitarian legislation and policy- I'm not sure that they should be mutually exclusive, but they are now because the practical branch of feminism has lobbied exclusively to priv… | /r/MensRights | 31/05/13 08:38 PM |
| 7 | Am I missing something about this anti-friendzone talk?I think that guys getting friend-zoned have to face the fact that they are literally getting what they ask for. Ask for friendship, get friendship. I do have sympathy for them, because getting rejected sucks, and I think sucks more than ever today, when the act of flirting with a girl is seen as harassment by many, unless that girl turns out to be attracted to you. I also think that wanting LOVE is human, and I get sick of these people who say "what, you aren't grateful for friendship?" Anyone w… | /r/MensRights | 31/05/13 07:24 PM |
| 1 | Are you a men's right's activist and a feminist? - pollI believe the MRM describes something very similar to the scholarly definition of patriarchy theory when it talks about hypo and hyper agency. The problem with "patriarchy theory" is that it is a gendered term that lends itself to an interpretation of something different than academic feminists claim it means. Here's an article on the offensive nature of common feminist terminology, and a following discussion on this sub. I think that a lot of MRAs and anti-feminists would actually be considered… | /r/MensRights | 31/05/13 07:08 PM |
| 11 | What are some instances of feminist groups actively fighting against legislation or other policies that would have served to make the law more gender neutral?There's a really big pile of spaghetti to untangle that is wrapped in with the way in which domestic violence has been portrayed, and the countermeasures advocated to rectify it. There are a lot of good reports on the subject here but the focus is on the effects of policy, not where the push for policy came from. As such, I can only say that I have an unsubstantiated impression that these policies originated in feminist activism with good intentions, and that it went truly bad when these same or… | /r/MensRights | 31/05/13 06:33 PM |
| 1 | What reactions have you gotten to discussions of men's rights in the real world?yeah, I often ponder manboobz in 25 years, as he thinks back to all the effort he spent trying to convince the world that all men asking for equality were hateful bigots. Either his rationalization hamster will die from exhaustion, or he'll have some very uncomfortable truths to face. I think a lot of our detractors do so out of a sense of moral righteousness that will turn very sour at some point in their lifetimes. | /r/MensRights | 31/05/13 05:31 AM |
| 2 | Quick question I would really love some help with.common knowledge that women were SEVERELY more opressed common knowledge has nothing to do with objective fact. it is frequently wrong. The only way to resolve issues like this is with hard data and discussions of what constitutes a problem. If the data disproves "common knowledge" I'd say that that in itself is a justification for activism here are some starting points for their topics dv: http://www.prweb.com/releases/2013/5/prweb10741752.htm rape: http://www.genderratic.com/p/2943/mary-koss-t… | /r/MensRights | 31/05/13 05:24 AM |
| 3 | A long overdue question about definitions. [NSFW Text]I think what's probably causing you confusion is that she clearly did not possess intent to rape. But you had expressed a lack of consent, and you felt violated. That's rape. Flip the genders of this story and there would be no room for debate. The other thing that is probably causing you some confusion is that we're not allowed any empathy, even for accidental rapists, but we have so much empathy for young women. And, of course, there's the old idea that "guys all want sex and there is somethin… | /r/MensRights | 31/05/13 05:11 AM |
| 4 | Be good little servants, my sons...There's a lot of downvotes on this submission, which I find a little troubling, so let me try to break down why I find it such a troubling piece of writing. Fundamentally, what I find so troubling about this writing is it demonstrates so clearly how negative gender stereotypes are not just propagated by jocks in locker rooms, but by well-meaning mothers asking their children to be supermen. There are two threads in that article. The first is "teach boys not to rape". I'd rather approach it as "t… | /r/MensRights | 31/05/13 01:16 AM |
| 1 | Be good little servants, my sons...it's interesting to see how oblivious to the potential costs of this she is. | /r/MensRights | 30/05/13 06:33 PM |
| 3 | Be good little servants, my sons...I don't really have a problem with this article's call to action regarding boys and rape, but I wish there were more articles telling the girls at the steubenville parties that they should have at least called the police. There's a sort of "big strong men and delicate damsel" theme to this post that I find a little distasteful. When I read sentences like "Whatever anger, or hurt they may inflict upon you, they still deserve your protection and kindness. " I sort of wonder who's side the mother i… | /r/MensRights | 30/05/13 06:26 PM |
| 35 | Motion to Condemn MRA groups because MRA groups condemn feminism as violent. (PDF) see p.17, first entry.I wonder if they have a corresponding policy for "Sexual Assault and Violence Against Men on Campus". I could suggest a few amendments to that policy that are a great deal more justified. Their "whereas"es are a heap of hyperbolic and unprovable allegation, but their resolution wouldn't actually address any of the CAFE events that they are so upset about. I wonder about the second bullet point though, are they asking for extra special protection beyond what they are granted as citizens? | /r/MensRights | 30/05/13 05:58 PM |
| 52 | Make Ourselves Heard: Please Contact Facebook to Protest Sexist Double Standard in New Hate Speech PolicyThanks for putting the work into this post. I wish we saw more of this here. | /r/MensRights | 30/05/13 05:19 PM |
| 21 | Are there any other males out there, like myself, have undergone a vasectomy at a young age? (I am twenty four) I feel as though when I divulge this information to a woman I am dating, before even telling them my reasoning, it makes them very upset. Why is that?As someone who does that I can testify that that pronouncement garners a similar reaction. It's not that weird; many women are looking for potential fathers, and are frustrated when you eliminate yourself from eligibility. There are probably parallels to the "nice guy" thing that could be made. | /r/MensRights | 30/05/13 05:13 PM |
| 2 | What reactions have you gotten to discussions of men's rights in the real world?How much ground have they gained in stopping movies/video games/etc. featuring objectified female "eye candy"? None. That's an interesting point, but I do think that there has been a change of narrative in hollywood at least. Disney is terrified about reception of its' princess movies. No movie like Brave really existed in the eighties. So while the "bad stuff" hasn't been banished, there have been successful efforts to introduce "positive models". | /r/MensRights | 30/05/13 04:45 PM |
| 8 | State Senator Thad Altman says Kaitlyn Hunt's situation is 'tragic' and wants to change the lawThe double standard irritates me, especially since it seems like a lot of times, for anything to get done, it has to affect a woman before anyone cares. I DO think that statutory rape laws that make a relationship with a 17 year old illegal for an 18 year old are ridiculous (18 to 14 year old though? That's a big difference...) So all I can really protest is the double standard, changing the law is a good idea, provided it isn't taken to ridiculous lengths (and again- 4 years? maybe a ridiculous… | /r/MensRights | 30/05/13 04:42 AM |
| 29 | What reactions have you gotten to discussions of men's rights in the real world?They usually go very smoothly. The only funny spot I've had was when one friend was said "You make good points, but... you kind of sound like a MRA". There was a moment of stunned silence when I told them that I considered myself to be an MRA, but it was a friend with enough respect for me to let that change her view of MRAs rather than the other way around. The trick I've found is to bring it up when it makes sense, stick with the ideas and not the labels, and only get around to the labels when… | /r/MensRights | 30/05/13 04:31 AM |
| 4 | Men Experience Sexism, but Should Still Support Feminism, says AuthorThis is a thinly veiled appeal to the "good man". | /r/MensRights | 29/05/13 11:31 PM |
| 2 | Feminist here- Let me explain some things a few of you have misinterpreted.I think in my first post, I fell into the trap of indicating some kind of zero-sum activism. It doesn't (always) have to be zero sum, and I apologize because I don't think you mean it to be either. The greater point I really want to make is that the things you mention are not really my greatest contention points with feminists (well, ok- the specific means of dealing with rape are). I consider myself anti-feminist because there are sufficient things done in the name of feminism that I think the … | /r/MensRights | 29/05/13 09:39 PM |
| 3 | Screw the feminists who are trying to ban porn!I have to give props for these two quotes: This is where I have to agree with people who say feminism is bad. This kind of feminism really is. although here's the issue. Certainly too much infighting can make movements less effective, but when feminists make moves that are antithetical to individual liberty, individualist feminists must step up to proclaim that this does not represent feminism. This last bit right there? This is why feminism needs antifeminism. Because criticism of feminism from… | /r/MensRights | 29/05/13 08:02 PM |
| 12 | I was thinking, that if feminists want to end "patriarchy", they should stop expecting their significant others to be breadwinners. Women almost unanimously demand a man who makes more than she does. I challenge feminists to walk the talk and date DOWN on the socioeconomic ladder.why wish that upon the working class? as if times weren't hard enough... | /r/MensRights | 29/05/13 07:55 PM |
| 6 | Feminist here- Let me explain some things a few of you have misinterpreted.Birth control/abortion is still up for debate in many places. Basically, governments are deciding what we can and cannot do with our bodies. I support your right to choose. How would you characterize women's reproductive freedom compared to men's today? Ask yourself, as a man, if you were raped, would anybody ask YOU these questions? You seem to assume that I haven't been. Why is that? I actually do have some relevant experience, but as boys and girls face very different socialization, we experi… | /r/MensRights | 29/05/13 07:48 PM |
| 5 | Post on r/education with the trends of college education broken down to genders. No description accompanying the image.Those images originated at avoiceformalestudents.com - sources and citations can be found there. I did a lot of fact-checking of that data when I was working on the men's education stub at avfms' wiki, and might be able to help if you are having issues tracking down any citation. Standardized testing is what teachers teach; it cannot be helped. Actually boys test better than they are graded, although your point about lack of participatory activity is a very good one. Other criticisms I have read… | /r/MensRights | 29/05/13 07:17 PM |
| 12 | Where can we go, if (in other words, WHEN) feminists get this subreddit shut down?If that ever happens, I am sure that many of the blogs linked here frequently will continue to have good discussions, and talk about alternatives at the time. Someone will probably run reddit's source on a different server to provide the experience we currently have. I'd be surprised if it happens though (provided that no doxx posts get through). =~71k readers is a lot for a sub, we are growing fast, and men's issues are getting increasing exposure in mainstream media. There's no doubt in my min… | /r/MensRights | 29/05/13 04:04 PM |
| 3 | /r/askmrasFor it to be of any value, that sub needs new completely new ownership, and a serious facelift. | /r/MensRights | 29/05/13 03:30 PM |
| 8 | Had an altercation with a (now ex) girlfriend Sunday night. Need some advice and direction...if you can afford it, get her door fixed (don't do it yourself- visiting her house again would just be an opportunity for more craziness). I'd find a handyman, explain the situation, tell him to contact her to set up a time, and to bill you when it was done. If you can afford it, that's insurance against future pain. after telling her that a handyman would be contacting her about the door, I'd refuse any further calls, and set a rule in your email to kill any messages. congratulations on getting… | /r/MensRights | 29/05/13 05:25 AM |
| 6 | Paul Elam Interview with The Amherst StudentAt Amherst college? I'd wager he'll settle back into the groupthink within an hour or two, finding ways to rationalize feminism as the proper vehicle for addressing men's issues. One of the sad effects of the internet is that you can find some "authority" to give you permission to think whatever you want as long as you don't scrutinize it too hard. But he may have cause to remember this interview later in life. | /r/MensRights | 29/05/13 12:07 AM |
| 7 | Paul Elam Interview with The Amherst StudentI don't think he even researched Paul- if he had, I would have expected him to reference (or more likely, attack) something Paul had written. I think he seriously just expected to encounter a tinfoil hat. At least I think the interviewer was set aback by what he found. For a few minutes, at least. | /r/MensRights | 28/05/13 11:59 PM |
| 10 | Paul Elam Interview with The Amherst StudentI guess I just expect any college student to have had a lot of that- but if I were going to interview someone from a movement, I'd have do a little reading beforehand. It's amazing that he knew Paul Elam's name enough to arrange for an interview considering how uninformed he is. | /r/MensRights | 28/05/13 10:56 PM |
| 13 | Paul Elam Interview with The Amherst Studentug. I understand that MR 101 is needed a lot, but- wow. painful how little prior research was done. | /r/MensRights | 28/05/13 10:50 PM |
| 4 | "We're obsessed when it's white women in trouble" - CNN opinion articleI'd have classified that as something else, because it is blatant discrimination- same infraction, but different results based on color. When I think "profiling" I don't usually include letting others who are guilty of the same crime off the hook. | /r/MensRights | 28/05/13 10:30 PM |
| 1 | Being a man is playing life on easy modeI don't think I've argued that anywhere. If you go through my comment history, you'll find plenty of discussions where I make the case for the opposite. However, I think that if you set a high price of admission to citizenship on one half the population, that's oppressive. And I think that was the point of this post, that "privilege" infers that there are no costs that men are expected to pay, and that defense of the country is one cost that men have been frequentlly asked to pay, will be asked … | /r/MensRights | 28/05/13 08:11 PM |
| 1 | Being a man is playing life on easy modeHow does adjudication of a voluntary hobby relate to soldier conscription? I don't have a good answer to your question because I really don't care at all about sports. | /r/MensRights | 28/05/13 08:02 PM |
| 1 | Being a man is playing life on easy modeI agree that that is the reason, I just disagree that it is fair or egalitarian. | /r/MensRights | 28/05/13 07:20 PM |
| 1 | Being a man is playing life on easy modeNo it's because of what is? | /r/MensRights | 28/05/13 06:29 PM |
| 1 | Being a man is playing life on easy modeI wish I had your optimism. I don't think that there is any chance of soldiers being entirely (or even largely) replaced by robots anytime soon- especially grunts. I think robots will replace specialty combat roles (special forces, pilots, tanks, missile defense) first. In any event, so long as only men are compelled to pledge to comply with a draft in order to enjoy the benefits of citizenship that are granted automatically to women, they have a legitimate complaint about equality under law. Yo… | /r/MensRights | 28/05/13 06:10 PM |
| 3 | Being a man is playing life on easy mode..50 years ago. more like 40, but it's a dumb argument either way. Every 18 year old boy has to register for the draft today. Even if they are never called, that is a commitment they have to make in order to be a full citizen. In my case, it required a lot of soul searching (given that 3 of my uncles, and both grandfathers had faced a draft- and I wasn't morally ok with agreeing to kill strangers just on someone else's say-so). The united states is at war right now, today. We're not a popular co… | /r/MensRights | 28/05/13 05:37 PM |
| 17 | "We're obsessed when it's white women in trouble" - CNN opinion articleOther factors. I've seen california police break up mixed race groups, selectively arresting the blacks and hispanics- telling the whites and asians to go home. | /r/MensRights | 28/05/13 05:03 PM |
| 2 | In Today's America, the 'Evolved' Man Is the MetrosexualI've got 99 problems with that commercial, but metrosexuality aint one. | /r/MensRights | 27/05/13 11:16 PM |
| 4 | Men's Rights Activists, what political party are you most closely affiliated with and why?That's like asking whether you prefer to be glassed or stabbed. | /r/MensRights | 27/05/13 05:18 AM |
| 4 | Need input for the next InfoGraphicperhaps domestic violence. There was a very comprehensive report just issued that refutes a lot of the popular views of DV. | /r/MensRights | 27/05/13 01:19 AM |
| 3 | So I'm Doing a Seminar on Men's RightsI think you chose your issues well and went into good depth for them. It should be a good presentation, especially for people with no exposure to the MRM | /r/MensRights | 27/05/13 12:33 AM |
| 1 | So I'm Doing a Seminar on Men's Rightsslide 21: "Examples of Male Disposability" A recent example is the aurora shootings. In the article I linked, Hanna Roisin thinks that this is just so beautiful that these men decided that their lives mattered less than those of the women in their lives, and endorses their decision. Also, you may want to discuss hyperagency / hypoagency around this section. All in all, looks good- there are a lot of issues you don't cover (boys in education is a critical one I think, but then so is fatherhood la… | /r/MensRights | 27/05/13 12:20 AM |
| 8 | Srs=heroes and mra=badguys - The Daily Dot - The dark side of Reddit's GoneWildalthough it was the site that actually asked SPLC if they really called /r/mensrights a hate group, then published an article debunking that meme. | /r/MensRights | 26/05/13 03:07 PM |
| 27 | Not a subscriber or reader here but I wanted to let you know that you are being classified as a "hate group" in a popular /r/theoryofreddit postDebunked, but they'll leave it in the original post. Classy. | /r/MensRights | 26/05/13 04:29 AM |
| 1 | Doing a lit project on true gender equality, how should I format it?I don't know why your teacher thought that- we've read other papers written by students, and provided comments and feedback. We probably don't want to read a 100-page thesis (unless it is really good and has some new ideas), but a standard paper format is fine. In terms of content, the first thing that suggests itself is a discussion of the nature of equality in regards to gender. Angry Harry did a post on why this isn't such a simple proposition. It's been a while since I read that, so I don't … | /r/MensRights | 25/05/13 11:20 PM |
| 2 | What percentage of people are misandrists?I think it is important to differentiate between misandrist practice and being a misandrist. What someone says might be misandrist, or have misandrist overtones. If there weren't such a strong conviction at large that "misandry don't real", pointing out the error would frequently result in an apology so long as you attacked the idea and not the speaker. It's a whole different level to internalize to the point where the person, is themselves a misandrist. | /r/MensRights | 25/05/13 09:59 PM |
| 3 | Self Post- Something I need to get off my chest regarding a situation with my friendsmy feeling is that you have no control over what your social group does, and you should let them be friends with whoever they want to be friends with. I wouldn't be interested in a friendship with her though, I'd be polite, but extremely wary. In regards to the friend who is still carrying on with her, I'd just find a moment to talk to him in private and say "look. I heard this thing, and I wasn't supposed to, but it's hard to keep this stuff quiet. I won't tell you how I heard about it, but if … | /r/MensRights | 25/05/13 09:05 PM |
| 1 | If language affects perception, what is the effect of phrases like "toxic masculinity", "hegemonic masculinity" and patriarchy?The reason I explained what I meant by signifier and signified is that your initial response in which you alluded to a situation where someone would be "unaware" of the "signifier" lead me to believe that you had a different understanding of the terms. Being unfamiliar with the academic text is not the same thing as being unaware of the signifier. My understanding of your statement was that many MRAs and Feminists (and, I think, almost all laypeople) have no a priori understanding of the academi… | /r/MensRights | 25/05/13 05:30 PM |
| 4 | If language affects perception, what is the effect of phrases like "toxic masculinity", "hegemonic masculinity" and patriarchy?The terms aren't gendered, so etymologically they are neutral. The terms are also complimentary, neither describing a desirable thing, both describing a cognitive bias. (edit and it should be worth noting that most humans have both biases) They are precise in that they specific to the concept of the expectation of agency, and the etymology of the terms actually represents that. The phrase literally means the thing it describes. By clinical, I mean that it is an analytical and dispassionate descr… | /r/MensRights | 25/05/13 01:38 AM |
| 21 | Told my (feminist) mom about the CDC's definition of rape...so moistness is consent? | /r/MensRights | 25/05/13 01:00 AM |
| 1 | A Question about the philosophy of Men's Rights.Rather than misunderstanding the term “empirical truth”, it’s more likely that I am failing to live up to the objective, or being inconsistent in my aspirations to it. I suspect you and I have different backgrounds that interact amusingly. I’m an engineer by trade that enjoys talking about philosophy on the internet, and I think you have a much more serious background in philosophy. I spend my days trying to point huge mechanical structures at ridiculously small regions of the sky (I program con… | /r/MensRights | 25/05/13 12:03 AM |
| 2 | If language affects perception, what is the effect of phrases like "toxic masculinity", "hegemonic masculinity" and patriarchy?If I can - I’d prefer to avoid debating the merit of the individual theories behind these phrases in this post, and focus on the effect of the terminology. This may not be possible as the discussion continues, but for now. I’d like to start by referencing this quote: However, the things is, these concepts are part of a large body of concepts, which admittedly a lot of MRAs (and I'd say even a fair amount of feminists) don't understand Because it establishes something important: many feminists, M… | /r/MensRights | 24/05/13 10:46 PM |
| 2 | If language affects perception, what is the effect of phrases like "toxic masculinity", "hegemonic masculinity" and patriarchy?There are so many redditors I'd love to grab a beer with just for the conversation. Thanks for the head's up re: Herbert Marcuse. | /r/MensRights | 24/05/13 08:57 PM |
| 3 | If language affects perception, what is the effect of phrases like "toxic masculinity", "hegemonic masculinity" and patriarchy?I know. I've also read her blog- but when she posts here, she engages in dialog, and I find her criticism constructive. She's one of the only members of againstmensrights that doesn't strike me as a ideogically fashionable dullard. I think that articulate detractors should be cherished (at least when they are sincere- as opposed to, say, Dave Futrelle) so I am always happy to talk to her. edit Also- great article, thanks for writing it. edit 2 I doubt this thread will show up in amr, because it … | /r/MensRights | 24/05/13 05:39 PM |
| 10 | Who Says Women Aren't Sexist? (Huffington Post)this is a good year- men's issues are starting to get traction We don't tend to think of women as sexist, largely because historically, sexism has been something perpetrated by men towards women. shows we still have a long way to go. As long as people think that all women in the past were slaves to cigar smoking men who enjoyed a life of comfort and privilege, we'll have bigots who feel justified making comments like this one: As they say, paybacks a *itch, isn't it? There is so much misandry in… | /r/MensRights | 24/05/13 05:31 PM |
| 5 | Something Awful is poking fun at us todayno, they are poking fun at a strawman. | /r/MensRights | 24/05/13 05:10 PM |
| 1 | If language affects perception, what is the effect of phrases like "toxic masculinity", "hegemonic masculinity" and patriarchy?The feminist movement, and the left in general, has been much more skilled at this Huh. I would argue that a great deal of the success that the republican party has enjoyed in the last 15 years is due to their cohesive and intentional use of language. | /r/MensRights | 24/05/13 04:45 PM |
| 3 | If language affects perception, what is the effect of phrases like "toxic masculinity", "hegemonic masculinity" and patriarchy?if it is a misunderstanding, doesn't that kind of support the criticism of the language? if we were to examine these terms through the lens of critical discourse analysis, wouldn't /u/flying_downardss's interpretation be included in an analysis of the word's meaning? | /r/MensRights | 24/05/13 03:08 PM |
| 4 | If language affects perception, what is the effect of phrases like "toxic masculinity", "hegemonic masculinity" and patriarchy?The sad thing is that there are a very few feminists that use the term patriarchy to reference a cognitive bias affecting men and women both that causes them to expect more (and forgive less) of men (as demonstrated in this study). This may also factor into why a majority woman electorate elects the demographic of representatives that so outrages feminists. The MRM talks about the exact same phenomena when it uses the terms "hypoagency and hyperagency"- except that the MRM's terms are clinical a… | /r/MensRights | 24/05/13 03:02 PM |
| 1 | If language affects perception, what is the effect of phrases like "toxic masculinity", "hegemonic masculinity" and patriarchy?does post-structuralism apply when the signified is constructed by someone unfamiliar with the systems of knowledge that produced the signifier? I've seen you mention elsewhere that you don't think that language shapes society, but rather reflects society- which would place you and oneirosgrip on the same page. I find this belief extremely puzzling though; do you believe advertising ineffective? Why do you think Frank Luntz was so successful? Was Newt Gingrich barking up the wrong tree when he u… | /r/MensRights | 24/05/13 05:59 AM |
| 1 | If language affects perception, what is the effect of phrases like "toxic masculinity", "hegemonic masculinity" and patriarchy?I've been reading on the subject of feminist thought and linguistics lately (must be something in the air, it was interesting to see oneirosgrip writing on the same subject), and one of the books I bought and have been reading through is "Speaking Freely- unlearning the lies of our fathers' tongues" by julia penelope. I thought this quote relevant: What we say is who we are. Creating a universe of discourse that reflects a different way of perceiving the world requires understanding how the lang… | /r/MensRights | 24/05/13 05:43 AM |
| 4 | "This is a group exclusively for woman vapors to get together! Rules: #1 ..NO MEN :D"it's important to have a safe space to discuss vaping, where trigger warnings will be properly issued before discussions of cartomizers, juice, and throat hit. Seriously though, I honestly don't care about women-only groups on facebook, and think that maybe men should have more groups with their own gender. | /r/MensRights | 23/05/13 09:48 PM |
| 1 | A Question about the philosophy of Men's Rights.That being said, I have a query about your response. You profess to looking for truth - I would say that truth is a varied thing - for one person it could be science for another it could be religion I should have clarified that further and said I am looking for empirical truth. I don't consider anything to be "true" until it can be demonstrated to be so (and even then, we often later find that we missed something critical in our observations, and that our theory was flawed). what I mean by evide… | /r/MensRights | 23/05/13 08:31 PM |
| 5 | Are false accusations part of a larger epistemic problem with society?I think that the degree of assumed guilt from an accusation is dependent on the emotional reaction to the crime. I suspect that most people do not immediately assume guilt when a person is accused of making false representations to another person in business, for instance. Rape is both shocking, and frequently irreducible beyond a "he said: she said" story. The intensity of the outrage combined with the exceptional difficulty to determine the truth combine to a tendency for people to abandon the… | /r/MensRights | 23/05/13 06:16 PM |
| 5 | The Red Pill Room: Red Pill Marriage: When "Make Me A Sammich!" Means "I Love You!"I don't have enough experience in most of the workspaces he talks about, but he references writing code, and I do have a lot of experience there. So long as professionalism is present, there are no issues with mixed-gender teams. That said, my sample size of women who are competent at c/c++/assembly is very small. I've worked in a number of companies, but women in "hard cs tech" (as opposed to web design/ui design/scripting) are few. My egalitarianism permits room and appreciation of traditional… | /r/MensRights | 23/05/13 06:05 PM |
| 3 | The Ellis Hotel, Atlantawell, you could send them an email telling them what amenities would attract your business as a man. There is something about a "woman floor" that makes me think of burkas though. | /r/MensRights | 23/05/13 03:23 PM |
| 5 | This is being spread like wildfire through my facebook friends. Thoughts?wanting a relationship doesn't mean that the friendship wasn't real, just that you wanted more wanting more isn't the same thing as feeling owed more, but frustration from never getting more is understandable- the poor guy keeps getting signals that he is unworthy of love guys don't feel entitled to love- they feel they have to prove their worthiness for love. And when nice guys are rejected, they hear that they aren't worthy of love. That whole sex vending machine metaphor is a deflection respo… | /r/MensRights | 23/05/13 03:06 PM |
| 18 | This is being spread like wildfire through my facebook friends. Thoughts?men are at higher risk than women of experiencing violence calling a man a pussy is an attempt to shame him for not earning his status as a "real man"; women are granted status for being women. To call it misogyny is to misunderstand what is happening that's weird about your class and the supreme court tell me about it. rape jokes suck feminism isn't the only gender equality movement I don't know if I have ever heard of a man leading a woman's group, but at least women's centers are allowed on c… | /r/MensRights | 23/05/13 06:31 AM |
| 2 | A Question about the philosophy of Men's Rights.um... pretty awesome? should I feel more awesome? I dunno how much awesome a Wednesday evening can withstand, though. Maybe I should take it easy... =) | /r/MensRights | 23/05/13 01:44 AM |
| 11 | What proportion of /r/mensrights subscribers agree that posts wholly unrelated to men and their rights don't belong here?I think there are good arguments to be made that anti-feminism is a mens rights issue. However, earlier today I posted this suggestion to /r/mensrightsmeta that I think would help make everyone happier, and is relevant to your concern. Take a look and let me know what you think. | /r/MensRights | 23/05/13 12:57 AM |
| 2 | A Question about the philosophy of Men's Rights.holy shit the last link you posted is fantastic. It really is quite good. /u/YetAnotherCommenter deserves respect. He posted that in part of a series that took me a while to dig up, so I'll link them here to save you the trouble: A few thoughts on some feminist concepts (newbie post) Separating the "boys" from the "men" - male hierarchy and the oppression of men Beyond the Binary Gender Structure; Biological Maleness vs. Social Masculinity The Literal Patriarchy, Men, and Masculinity | /r/MensRights | 23/05/13 12:37 AM |
| 1 | A Question about the philosophy of Men's Rights.I'm not sure how better to phrase it. logically I mean: mens rights == womens rights not mens rights >= womens rights | /r/MensRights | 22/05/13 09:44 PM |
| 12 | A Question about the philosophy of Men's Rights.I'm not sure that I can answer your question without addressing your premise. I actually got to that line "once you realize gender is a social construct" (edit- this was in your article) and banged my head on the table. You claim that belieiving in maleness as an inherent quality equates to androcentricity, but... I disagree, because that also recognizes femininity as an inherent thing, and thusly, it encompasses both genders, and can be viewed as a variant of humanism. Here's where I stand on t… | /r/MensRights | 22/05/13 09:35 PM |
| 1 | Gillette "What Women Want," More Misandrist Garbage from GilletteI'm torn on this actually. I think metrosexuality is actually a somewhat positive development in men (who traditionally can't imagine being desirable, and who often do not take care of their health). I don't like it being couched as "give her what she wants" though. This commercial inspires the same mixed feelings that I have towards the PUA community. | /r/MensRights | 22/05/13 08:54 PM |
| 3 | Hello MensRights. I have a few questions for active regulars here. (some back story)I agree that the example is bad (I hate the linguistics of terms like "toxic masculinity", "hegemonic masculinity", and "patriarchy" because they try to hardwire negative adjectives to my gender, and create a sense of masculinity as something threatening that must be beaten down and controlled, all the while perpetuating the hypoagency of the feminine gender). I've only been an active member of /r/mensrights for about a year, but I can't honestly tell anyone that they will only find rational dis… | /r/MensRights | 22/05/13 04:05 PM |
| 3 | Hello MensRights. I have a few questions for active regulars here. (some back story)If I disagree with anything (or even a few things) in this subreddit am I against MR? All that's required to be a MRA is a willingness to advocate for mens rights. However, this is reddit and some people will downvote anything they don't agree with. For Example- I doubt you could make a post defending the use of the term "toxic masculinity" without being seriously challenged (which is fine) and heavily downvoted (which is bad rediquette). What can I do to ensure that other men don't grow up like… | /r/MensRights | 22/05/13 03:08 PM |
| 3 | A 20 year old female and a 23 year old male auctioned off their virginity. Her highest bidder bid $780 000, and his highest bidder bid only $3000 (x/post from /r/todayILearned)Then I imagine feminists are happy to see the MRM tackling the same issues, even if they don't have the same hypothesis to explain them. | /r/MensRights | 21/05/13 10:07 PM |
| 2 | A 20 year old female and a 23 year old male auctioned off their virginity. Her highest bidder bid $780 000, and his highest bidder bid only $3000 (x/post from /r/todayILearned)This is pertinent in terms of social pressures influencing male self-value. See 1:36:15 | /r/MensRights | 21/05/13 09:43 PM |
| 14 | Are there any Mens Rights Groups actually trying to change laws and public perception?I'd say that even things like reddit try to change public perception and raise awareness. However: NPO click on a state and choose acheivements FIRE contests laws SAVE does needed research on DV NCFM is always trying to challenge legal inequity | /r/MensRights | 21/05/13 09:30 PM |
| 1 | The Wikipedia page calls us Misogynist in the lede. Let's build a case against the biased editors and "Robert Young" them.I'm not always as articulate as I want ;) | /r/MensRights | 21/05/13 09:11 PM |
| 3 | The Wikipedia page calls us Misogynist in the lede. Let's build a case against the biased editors and "Robert Young" them.How would having a section on anti-mrm criticism on the MRM page conflict with that? I'm only suggesting that the page on feminism and the mrm utilize the same format. | /r/MensRights | 21/05/13 08:22 PM |
| 5 | The Wikipedia page calls us Misogynist in the lede. Let's build a case against the biased editors and "Robert Young" them.I think a section on anti-MRM criticism would be more appropriate. The feminist description doesn't claim "Some feminist groups and authors have been described as misandric", even though I don't think anyone could refute that. | /r/MensRights | 21/05/13 07:11 PM |
| 5 | "Consent to sex is consent to fatherhood" -- arguments for and againstI'm not aware of this discussion happening anywhere outside of reddit and blogs, although the conversation about this has been going on for a long time. This is one of the better articles I have seen on the subject. Interestingly, you will find that orthodox feminist rhetoric on this has changed somewhat from the 70s, when the president of NOW agreed that legal paternal surrender was fair and right. The argument you linked to seems to be: women have, and should have, many choices men don't and t… | /r/MensRights | 21/05/13 04:47 PM |
| 1 | Question: what are your views on the terms 'masculinity and 'femininity'? Are there any such things, objectively, or are these concepts merely social constructs?Not at all. I think that backbone was built in the seventies- you might ask /r/AskFeminists if this is still the current belief. I've been assured by many that this isn't the case today. edit and if they do think gender is entirely a social construct, the question is how they can claim to be trans-inclusive while maintaining that view. | /r/MensRights | 20/05/13 11:27 PM |
| 0 | Question: what are your views on the terms 'masculinity and 'femininity'? Are there any such things, objectively, or are these concepts merely social constructs?My view is that the studies I have seen have appeared to have a solid methodology, and indicate that there are statistical trends that are different amongst men and women. I don't fully understand why you'd be more interested in unqualified opinions than in research though. | /r/MensRights | 20/05/13 09:05 PM |
| 4 | Majority reject Japan mayor's comments on comfort women.First: I think the idea of drafting women into... I'm not even sure comfort women qualified as prostitutes is unconscionable (as is drafting men to fight wars) Second: yeah, when I read that I wondered if there has ever been a statement about the military necessity of kamikaze pilots. Both practices seem pretty repugnant to me. | /r/MensRights | 20/05/13 05:34 PM |
| 5 | Question: what are your views on the terms 'masculinity and 'femininity'? Are there any such things, objectively, or are these concepts merely social constructs?Most social scientists agree that there are inherent differences between the sexes; however, most would agree that society amplifies those differences, and that there is a lot of variety within sexes that making absolute claims would be silly. There's a book referenced in the sidebar- The Blank Slate: The Modern Denial of Human Nature - Steven Pinker that is an interesting read. This is also discussed in the first episode of this video series. | /r/MensRights | 20/05/13 05:23 PM |
| 1 | Charity Thanks Coronation Street For ‘Making a Difference to the Lives of Male Victims of Domestic Abuse’Thanks- I hadn't heard of the mankind initiative before. | /r/MensRights | 20/05/13 03:49 PM |
| 3 | Does anyone know what's happening with NCFM website?I wonder if hacking attacks on ncfm will even be acknowledged in these "when geeks attack" type articles. | /r/MensRights | 20/05/13 03:45 PM |
| 6 | Question: Fathers-to-be "opting out" of parenthood and the potential ethics behind itultimately I'd like to see birth control as something practiced by both men and women, whose combined effectiveness is something like 99.99%. | /r/MensRights | 20/05/13 03:37 PM |
| 2 | What MRAs and feminists can agree on: the ERA.I don't recall if he made this before or after Ron Paul exited the race and endorsed Mitt Romney. When that happened, Barbarossa made a video saying that until libertarians were the majority of the RNC, the practical effect of libertarianism was to drive ideological hopefuls into the republican party: a party that, ultimately, would do nothing libertarian. In other words, practical libertarianism was not libertarianism when even people like Ron Paul are a republican first and a libertarian secon… | /r/MensRights | 20/05/13 03:20 PM |
| 4 | Question: Fathers-to-be "opting out" of parenthood and the potential ethics behind itThis is the approach that seems most equal to me as well. I'd say that consent to fatherhood should be legally binding- irrevocable once formally given (with an exception for when the man is told he is the biological father, but tests prove otherwise). I also think that these solutions are so unsatisfactory (most solutions suck for the mother, the father, and the child) that we need to keep pressing on developing new contraceptive practices. If vasalgel pans out, it's something that I would like… | /r/MensRights | 20/05/13 03:03 PM |
| 22 | What MRAs and feminists can agree on: the ERA.I absolutely agree. Barbarossa did a video on this a bit ago. What's really ironic is that the opposition to the ERA was lead by Phylis Schlafly, and her organization was called S.T.O.P. - stop taking our privileges. | /r/MensRights | 20/05/13 07:35 AM |
| 10 | Prison labor booms in US as low-cost inmates bring billions: Men and boys make up the majority of inmatesI really hope that future americans will look back at this era with a sense of shame. | /r/MensRights | 20/05/13 05:21 AM |
| 1 | Mens right groupthey sent out a bulletin on friday that they were having issues. It was up this morning, it'll probably be fixed soon. | /r/MensRights | 19/05/13 09:34 PM |
| 2 | Mens right groupyes | /r/MensRights | 19/05/13 08:24 PM |
| 7 | Mens right grouphere are a few. I'd love to have a list of groups by issue. national coalition for men: wide platform mens rights, most recent notable activity: suing department of defense for requiring only men to sign up for the draft. national parents organization: the most effective activist group I am aware of working for the rights of fathers to be included in their childrens lives. They've also done some work to help protect men in paternity fraud cases. Earl Silverman Center: Men's Rights Edmonton is co… | /r/MensRights | 19/05/13 04:31 PM |
| 6 | The Unsafe Sex: Should The World Invest More In Men's Health?Health economist Karen Grepin of New York University agrees that more focus should go to stopping tobacco and alcohol use. But she doesn't think there should be specific policies for men versus women.... also doesn't think that the recent focus on women's health is a bad thing. In other words: there shouldn't be specific policies for men, but specific policies for women are ok. | /r/MensRights | 18/05/13 10:17 PM |
| 1 | Is anyone aware of this guy's blog, Dr. NerdLove? It's so ridiculously out of line that I keep rereading it trying to figure out if he's actually being satirical. Please take a quick read and tell meI've been pouring through that essay over the last few days. It'll probably take a while to digest, but it's pretty interesting. Thanks for the link. | /r/MensRights | 18/05/13 09:59 PM |
| 7 | The Atlantic: What If Men Stopped Chasing Much-Younger Women? - Hugo Schwyzer. [Can you believe the Atlantic published this clown?]Exactly. It's amazing to me that he gets a pass from mainstream feminism. I've seen his books recommended to guys asking if there was any room for men's issues in feminism on /r/askfeminists | /r/MensRights | 18/05/13 06:24 AM |
| 27 | The Atlantic: What If Men Stopped Chasing Much-Younger Women? - Hugo Schwyzer. [Can you believe the Atlantic published this clown?]I honestly can't believe more feminists don't call schwyzer out on his patriarchal shit. Maybe what he says is just so deeply comforting. Older Men (subject) do this (verb) to younger women (object). No, it's not because young women are pretty and have firm flesh. Of course it has nothing to do with the pressures of your biological clock interfering with a comfortable pace in a relationship. It's just you're too strong for these older men. And they really should just man up. This sucks, and men … | /r/MensRights | 18/05/13 05:59 AM |
| 5 | I did a keyword search for "MRA" on OkCupid. They really really really don't like us. Equating us with everything from Homophobes to Peophiles to Fedora Wearers.at least as far as this mra is concerned, that caricature is just a part of your caricature. The only stereotype I do think a lot of MRAs subscribe to is that male feminists are friendzoned white knights. I just view them as men who have adapted the traditional role of provider and protector to the desires of the modern woman, and I know that they have as much sex as anyone else. Actually- check that, I think that most MRAs also view a lot of modern feminist women as immature princesses that wan… | /r/MensRights | 18/05/13 05:29 AM |
| 7 | I did a keyword search for "MRA" on OkCupid. They really really really don't like us. Equating us with everything from Homophobes to Peophiles to Fedora Wearers.Asking for equality from people who want to think that you have every advantage over them won't ever make you popular. Luckily, someone like that isn't going to treat you well anyway, so it just turns out to be a really effective form of pre-selection. | /r/MensRights | 18/05/13 02:27 AM |
| 6 | I did a keyword search for "MRA" on OkCupid. They really really really don't like us. Equating us with everything from Homophobes to Peophiles to Fedora Wearers.I have to confess that I kind of want like, a gigantic orange fedora. Like the size of a trash can lid. Just because it seems to so arbitrarily offend people. I'd rock it with one of these. | /r/MensRights | 18/05/13 02:22 AM |
| 4 | My girlfriend has died, and now her parents are holding my son from me indefinitely. I need advice.I can be a dick, but it's hard (or at least unwise) to be a dick to someone with better reading skills than my own. | /r/MensRights | 17/05/13 11:59 PM |
| 2 | Is Reddit censoring openly racist users? (Not just us)I do not support racism. But I am very disturbed by the tolerance of authoritarianism that seems to be creeping into liberalism (I know a lot of you conservatives will probably find the statement ironic, but I felt that freedom of speech was a core liberal value as recently as 3 years ago). I don't think the Martin Niemoller quote is inappropriate or ironic in this context. The SRS crowd seems completely oblivious to the fact that NO group persecuted, ever, was considered worthy of protection at… | /r/MensRights | 17/05/13 11:49 PM |
| 13 | My girlfriend has died, and now her parents are holding my son from me indefinitely. I need advice.It's because he's irish. Everyone knows all irish people are catholics. /s You're right- he didn't say, and if he isn't he is welcome to discard the advice as not applicable. | /r/MensRights | 17/05/13 11:35 PM |
| 6 | Does anyone else see the MRM as lacking a global perspective?I understand the argument- and I do agree that- for instance- black men facing the justice system face discrimination as discrimination against men, against blacks, and probably even as black men. However, let me just say that my anecdotal experience has been that, in practice intersectionality does more harm than help- because the result seems to inevitably be some kind of oppression olympics between the disadvantaged. Individual considerations are ignored in favor of an abstract (and incomplet… | /r/MensRights | 17/05/13 10:54 PM |
| 6 | Does anyone else see the MRM as lacking a global perspective?MRAs don't see the universalist approach of feminism to be a good thing. We don't aim to be the wal-mart of social justice; with an aisle for every conceivable concern. Being a mens right activist means that you are willing to advocate for men's rights- it does not mean that you can't be an activist for other causes as well. Being focused on one simple thing will, hopefully, mean that that one thing gets done well. Feminism claims to address all sorts of issues, including men's rights- but in pr… | /r/MensRights | 17/05/13 09:31 PM |
| 117 | My girlfriend has died, and now her parents are holding my son from me indefinitely. I need advice.This sounds horrible. IANAL and don't have any advice there, but since you are both catholic, maybe Luke can put you in contact with their priest, and you could appeal to him to mediate? My family isn't religious (so I may just be naive), but it seems like this is one of those situations where the institution of a church can be useful. Certainly it seems like it would be a cheaper, and maybe more compassionate route than going immediately for a lawyer, especially with the international aspect. | /r/MensRights | 17/05/13 07:22 PM |
| 2 | Is anyone aware of this guy's blog, Dr. NerdLove? It's so ridiculously out of line that I keep rereading it trying to figure out if he's actually being satirical. Please take a quick read and tell meInteresting. I hesitated mentioning PUA in my last post because I really don't have a problem with heterosexual men becoming comfortable with their desire for sex, shedding preconceptions, and just trying to figure out what actually works for them in courtship. There is (in my opinion) much unjustified shaming of pick up artists. But it is a movement which seems quintessentially gynocentric, and which everything is evaluated for its merit in securing access to feminine sexuality. It's my hope th… | /r/MensRights | 17/05/13 01:34 AM |
| 8 | Majority of UK women would prefer to be a housewife than to have a careerI'd also prefer to be a househusband. And I have a pretty good job. | /r/MensRights | 16/05/13 09:00 PM |
| 11 | Is anyone aware of this guy's blog, Dr. NerdLove? It's so ridiculously out of line that I keep rereading it trying to figure out if he's actually being satirical. Please take a quick read and tell meI saw that blog a while back with when I read his thoughts on "real men". It was at that point that I kind of laughed and wrote him off. He's well versed in orthodox feminism and oblivious to masculism. He's still cool with women being inherently wonderful, but worth being something that is only earned by men. Progress for him means replacing one set of qualifications for another (which, really, look the same as the last). In other words, it's still about giving women what they want, but since w… | /r/MensRights | 16/05/13 06:14 PM |
| 2 | Diane Abbott to warn of British 'masculinity crisis'I don't believe that she is spending political capital here Actually, I was thinking about that later after I made that post, and I agree. Spending political capital involves trading favors to get something (a vote, a position, an issue to be included as part of a platform, etc...). Making speeches professing support for issues is actually the process of gathering political capital. I still think it's a good thing that she is endorsing the legitimacy of the male issues I mention elsewhere, but I… | /r/MensRights | 16/05/13 03:45 PM |
| 18 | MRAs: Do you care about women's rights?To be a men's rights activist, all that is required is that you be willing to advocate for equal rights for men. I think the overwhelming majority of us (you can never speak for everybody) feel that this means equal rights, not equal or better rights. Many MRAs are also anti-feminist, and many feminists would like you to believe that this means that they are anti-women, or anti-women's rights, as opposed to critical of the lobbyist efforts of feminist groups, or skeptical of feminist proposition… | /r/MensRights | 16/05/13 03:15 PM |
| 15 | The Guardian (UK) - How tackling the 'crisis of masculinity' creates a crisis for feminismThis struggle between women's issues and men's issues is played out across the public and charitable sector and is rooted in the belief that gender equality is a women's problem often caused by men. Put simply, women have problems and men are problems. I've never seen this turn of phrase before. That's well put. | /r/MensRights | 16/05/13 12:17 AM |
| 2 | Diane Abbott to warn of British 'masculinity crisis'Jolly_mcfats wins the jackpot. Awesome! First round of martinis and cigars at this months' patriarchal hegemons conference is on me! | /r/MensRights | 15/05/13 09:41 PM |
| 4 | Why don’t people believe a man can be raped? (Editorial on Toronto male rape victim from Women's Post)I'm glad to see this article | /r/MensRights | 15/05/13 09:35 PM |
| 5 | Diane Abbott to warn of British 'masculinity crisis'The Good Men Project is a good example of how feminism can't control men's issues. Their readership is mostly well-educated, female, and childless, and every time I see an article from there that is surprisingly good, the author leaves a few months later. Meanwhile, sites like AVFM and this subreddit gain readership at a good clip. | /r/MensRights | 15/05/13 09:26 PM |
| 7 | Diane Abbott to warn of British 'masculinity crisis'This isn't drawing attention to men's issues Here are the things she draws attention to that I liked: "the first rule of being a man in modern Britain is that you're not allowed to talk about it" men are more likely to take their own lives than women men have lower educational attainment at all levels of the education system men are more likely to be homeless men are less likely to access NHS services. men are more likely to work full-time and to work longer hours than women common psychological… | /r/MensRights | 15/05/13 05:57 PM |
| 17 | Diane Abbott to warn of British 'masculinity crisis'I'm glad to hear she's calling for action, and drawing attention to some things. I don't think she understands the problems, and ultimately, would prefer to see an attempt to bring men in to help work on men's issues. The obessession with porn raises a bit of a red flag- I'm not aware of this "viagra and jack daniels" culture that she refers to, and... honestly, I am cynical enough about the way societies view men that I have a really hard time believing that an obsession with pleasing women in … | /r/MensRights | 15/05/13 03:42 PM |
| 6 | My fiancé refuses to sign a pre-nup, based on her history I insist on one. Am I out of line?You're not at all out of line. Explain to her that it isn't an out: it's a safety belt. Failed marriages are incredibly traumatic, and disturbingly frequent. You wouldn't get into a car without a seatbelt and a helmet if 50% of car trips ended in an accident. It sucks that divorce laws are so nasty that prenups make so much sense, but that's not your fault. If she cares about you, she should want to protect you. By not signing it, she is maintaining MORE than an out for herself. The more she fig… | /r/MensRights | 15/05/13 02:34 AM |
| 12 | The goal of the Men's Rights movement?here's a basic rundown of the platform When the MRM seems a reaction to feminism, it is because the MRM isn't interested in theoretical feminism as much as practical feminism. By practical feminism, I mean legislation enacted by feminist lobbyist groups, and pressures put on entities like the department of education by feminist activist groups. Crazy radfems are as irritating as any other extremist, but NOW and the AAUW are as mainstream as they come- and do real harm. Some examples: The AAUW co… | /r/MensRights | 15/05/13 12:29 AM |
| 2 | Anyone else offeneded by this ad?thats what I meant too- if they had a reddit dad that was aimed at men as caregivers too, that I wouldnt mind ads targeting either, especially in this proximity to mothers day | /r/MensRights | 14/05/13 11:06 PM |
| 3 | Anyone else offeneded by this ad?not by the ad, but by the fact that dads have to sign up as moms if they want to take advantage of that. there are 3 amazon membership programs- prime, student, and mom | /r/MensRights | 14/05/13 10:54 PM |
| 3 | Unhealthy views of male sexuality, and the harmful effect they have on men.I wish we saw more of this discussion. The "I need feminism because it's unfair that when a guy sleeps around he is respected, and when a girl sleeps around she is a slut" meme is pervasive, but there's no real discussion about what that phenomenon says about the perception of male heterosexuality. In his U of T lecture, Warren Farrell referenced a study in which girls and boys were asked to put a price on their virginity. IIRC the results were that boys averaged a self-valuation of $1000 and gi… | /r/MensRights | 14/05/13 03:33 PM |
| 2 | Leeds Metropolitan University offers PhD bursaries for students interested in Men and Health.It's nice to see posts like this, especially since there have been requests for more "good news" posts. | /r/MensRights | 14/05/13 03:20 PM |
| 22 | Federal Government Mandates Unconstitutional Campus Speech CodesSAVE is also a pretty incredible organization. But I agree with you that FIRE is also awesome FIRE link Even More Important: An opportunity to participate in some activisim | /r/MensRights | 13/05/13 03:24 PM |
| 6 | A new study looking at the genomes of more than 13,000 men identified four new genetic variants associated with an increased risk of testicular cancer, the most commonly diagnosed type in young men toIf a man has a father or son with testicular cancer, he has a four-to six-fold higher risk of developing it compared to a man with no family history. That increases to an eight-to 10-fold higher risk if the man has a brother with testicular cancer. Interesting. I'm glad that the Perelman School of Medicine at the University of Pennsylvania is doing research on a men's health issue. | /r/MensRights | 13/05/13 03:05 PM |
| 1 | For all those who think you shouldn't have to pay child support...look at your post. Is there a clear question in it? The closest I can find is "How do you think you'd feel during this conversation?". If that's your question, my answer is: probably a lot like a mother who put their child up for adoption. | /r/MensRights | 12/05/13 06:18 PM |
| 3 | For all those who think you shouldn't have to pay child support...Can I take that as a tacit admission that you are the same person, pretending to be two? You're encountering negativity because you are being duplicitous and antagonistic. Here are two threads examining the issue exhaustively A CMV post An AskMen post If your question is "don't you realize that this sucks for kids?" the answer is: I think most of us do. Much in the way that choosing to have an abortion, or give a child up for adoption is not easy for the mother, I think electing to surrender fat… | /r/MensRights | 12/05/13 06:09 PM |
| 4 | For all those who think you shouldn't have to pay child support...that's not usually the MRA position. The MRA position is that men should have the opportunity to surrender the child during the same period where a woman can choose to abort- so that the mother can make an informed choice herself. If a man commits to fatherhood, he should be accountable for that commitment. | /r/MensRights | 12/05/13 05:53 PM |
| 4 | For all those who think you shouldn't have to pay child support...sorry /u/tossaway132 but I've a pretty strong suspicion that you are a sock puppet for /u/bulbasaurtoes who was himself a sock puppet for someone else. You've asked and been answered. In two threads now. I hope you are as critical of women who put children up for adoption, or have abortions. You can argue that sex is consent to parenthood all you want, but it really isn't. Especially when there is a decision about whether or not to let the child come to term that the father cannot participate in… | /r/MensRights | 12/05/13 05:48 PM |
| 3 | The trouble with TED talksYeah, I didn't like what I heard in that Joe Rogan podcast either. I distrust the TED organization, but still find some of the talks interesting. | /r/MensRights | 11/05/13 09:31 PM |
| 11 | The trouble with TED talksI don't know if I am alone in this, but I usually give TED talks my full attention. I appreciate them- they remind me of the guest lectures that I was able to attend when I was in college. I do agree that TED would benefit from enabling the online community to discuss/challenge the ideas presented in the talks. I'd really love it if they had some kind of sophisticated infrastructure to participate in continued, evolving, discussions of the ideas presented in talks. The comment system they have t… | /r/MensRights | 11/05/13 09:15 PM |
| 2 | Took a dive into 'AgainstMensRights'I read AMR daily, because I believe it is good to be exposed to dissenting views. I'm as contemptuous of the bulk of what I find on AMR as they are of what they find on MR, but it is useful not only as a source of legitimate criticism, but a cautionary tale of what zealotry looks like. The confirmation bias is stunning- as they frequently link to posts and characterize all of /r/mensrights as having one position, when the most upvoted posts say the opposite. Or they'll, for instance, note that t… | /r/MensRights | 11/05/13 08:49 PM |
| 2 | Question for MRMy suggestion is to figure out what risks you want to take, and keep an awareness about them as you take them. I wouldn't counsel you to avoid love or sex, but to never let yourself NEED them- and to learn to take emotional fulfillment from other avenues in addition to that one. Many men are suicide prone after divorce because they let themselves get into a situation where the only intimacy and affirmation they experience is from the woman who is now rejecting them. I wouldn't counsel you to avo… | /r/MensRights | 11/05/13 06:23 AM |
| -3 | Some girls took it upon themselves to post these flyers around the school today. What does /r/mensrights think about them?this. | /r/MensRights | 10/05/13 11:02 PM |
| 6 | Parents Put Their Eight-Year-Old Boy Through a Sex Changecircumcision when you make the choice, preferably as an adult is ok. I think the basic tradeoff that is hard here is: when you are a kid, it is hard to know how seriously to take your viewpoints on what you want to do with your body. But at the same time, hormone therapy before puberty will make transitioning later a lot easier, and I've also heard that going through adolescence as the wrong gender is so traumatic that many commit suicide. So you're having to choose between the responsibility fo… | /r/MensRights | 10/05/13 11:00 PM |
| 5 | would you be for or against a forced male contraceptive?We don't legally require vaccination which protects the populace from dangerous disease. It seems odd to leave that to choice, but legally enforce contraception. Basically, if we want an invasive government (I certainly don't), there are probably smarter places to have it invade first. | /r/MensRights | 09/05/13 05:00 AM |
| 5 | would you be for or against a forced male contraceptive?Yeah, I would be. I think that there are a lot of other measures I'd be more comfortable with, that would probably satisfy you. I'd be happy for the procedure to be recommended by doctors alongside vaccines, for instance. But requiring contraception prior to requiring that you protect the populace from small pox seems off to me. | /r/MensRights | 09/05/13 04:42 AM |
| 15 | would you be for or against a forced male contraceptive?I'm against it. I'm for the contraceptive, but forcing it would be an abrogation of civil rights. I know that some people would argue for it citing reduced strains of welfare, but it seems to me that it doesn't GET much bigger government than making reproductive choices for people. That said, if there were a 100% effective contraceptive procedure without unpleasant side effects, I'd stop arguing for legal paternal surrender. | /r/MensRights | 09/05/13 04:12 AM |
| 19 | Atheism+ glossary: "Sexism - discrimination or social prejudice against women."Fun fact: PZ Meyers has declared that he is no longer a skeptic. | /r/MensRights | 08/05/13 07:08 PM |
| 3 | Understanding feminism part 1: The Patriarchy and Patriarchy theoryJust as an aside... If you spend time researching online about feminism, it is exceedingly difficult to discerne the actual core beliefs and definitions of the feminist movement. I've decided to go through them one by one so that those outside of feminist circles can understand what they're actually trying to say. Because it's hard to find an actual consensus on what a term means, isn't it fair to say then that whatever definition you arrive of is not indicative of common usage? I think that "pa… | /r/MensRights | 08/05/13 06:29 PM |
| 3 | Abuse hotline uses technology in an attempt to reach suffering children directly, doesnt treat abuse as a gendered phenomenon.I think the technology is cool! | /r/MensRights | 07/05/13 10:09 PM |
| 21 | NRA Vendor sells Ex-Girlfriend target that bleeds when you shoot it. Women are mad and offended.But I am sure everyone would laugh if it was an ex-boyfriend target I dunno. We wouldn't. I can see why women would find this disturbing. When I was a kid, my father used to take me shooting. He spent a lot of time drilling gun safety into my head. One of the lessons I really remember is when he switched out the empty cans we were shooting for full cans of v8 (he did this without telling me). When the can exploded with gore, he took me to look at the can, and see what the bullet had done. He rea… | /r/MensRights | 07/05/13 04:09 PM |
| 4 | RE: Patriarchy.Honestly, I think the most practical definition of it is "a gendered phrase which many use to describe a force which disadvantages women, without any consensus on what the characteristics of that force are, or how the force operates". The lack of consensus on what is meant is not important, because the purpose the phrase, practically, is to provide an image to resent, and a phrase that can be used to justify privileging women over men. There seems provisional evidence of a cognitive bias in our … | /r/MensRights | 06/05/13 09:13 PM |
| 6 | Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences: subtle gender biasI think it's a valid study that identifies an inequality of opportunity (which is the proper place to address it, in my mind). I've seen it before, and referred to it in conversations on this subreddit. I think, as you point out, the fact that this bias is found in men AND women is particularly important. I think it would be interesting to apply the same methodology to other fields to see what kind of variance would be found. It's a good methodology that should be applied to a larger sample set.… | /r/MensRights | 06/05/13 07:02 AM |
| 1 | What do you guys think of transgenders?The basic notion is that all experimental results should be reproducible, and able to be verified by other individuals. These principles aim to ensure experiments can be measurably reproduced under the same conditions, allowing further investigation to determine whether a hypothesis or theory related to given phenomena is both valid and reliable. Existence of concentrations of white matter in four regions visible to MRI should be satisfy this criteria, no? I don't have access to the full text, s… | /r/MensRights | 05/05/13 04:25 PM |
| 5 | Not no means noExplicit consent does not have to be awkward; in fact it can be quite sexy. For example, during foreplay one could whisper, “I so want to fuck you right now, do you want that?” I'm honestly not familiar with the rules of enthusiastic verbal consent; I'm an older guy (I was in college when farrel wrote the myth of male power), and we didn't have seminars on the subject when I was in school- are you supposed to get verbal consent just before intercourse, or every step along the way? I have to admi… | /r/MensRights | 05/05/13 06:21 AM |
| 17 | Thought it was strange that after the announcement that Bill Gates would give a $100,000 grant to anyone who could produce a condom that doesn't rob people of pleasure... Popular Science reacted by coI think that section of the comments where one person refers to a web page claiming that loss of sensitivity to condoms is a myth, and then 6 people pointing out that most men have direct, first hand experience with this subject is my new favorite thing on the internet. | /r/MensRights | 04/05/13 11:02 PM |
| 5 | UPDATES IN MICHIGAN FAMILY LAW: Important Ramifications for Step-Parent Adoptions in New Decisionit seems like michigan is especially bad about these things, but I might just be saying that because the michigan chapter of NOW is the one that is most vocal about speaking against default shared custody. | /r/MensRights | 04/05/13 10:47 PM |
| 4 | UPDATES IN MICHIGAN FAMILY LAW: Important Ramifications for Step-Parent Adoptions in New Decisionor account for mothers who make it difficult for men to be in their children's lives. | /r/MensRights | 04/05/13 10:28 PM |
| 2 | What do you guys think of transgenders?It isn't obvious to you why a catholic man with a family might prefer to live as a woman? family as in parents, not children- sorry. Family is relevant because she expected to be rejected by her parents, and they were close. I don't honestly understand much about catholics- I was raised in an atheist household- I just know that they listen to the vatican, which isn't too cool about alternative lifestyles. Nobody is funding any studies to explore contrary opinions. I don't know if that is true, b… | /r/MensRights | 04/05/13 10:20 PM |
| 3 | What do you guys think of transgenders?And the people who tell you what you want to hear either want the same thing as you, and so don't want their own bubble burst either, or just want the social capital that trading blind approval with you will get them. I am neither. Honestly, I understand why you would think that- but in my case (heterosexual, cis-gendered, antifeminist (so I will walk away from PC ideas with sufficient reason))- it's an opinion formed from life experience. I've seen a sane, well-grounded, catholic man with a goo… | /r/MensRights | 04/05/13 09:51 PM |
| 7 | What do you guys think of transgenders?The MRM often DOES maintain that gender is a real thing. But science also indicates that gender dysphoria is a real thing. So if science is the only thing that matters, we're cool. | /r/MensRights | 04/05/13 08:33 PM |
| 7 | What do you guys think of transgenders?I know that the question of whether or not you have the right to refuse sex that you aren't comfortable with is often parceled with acknowledging the humanity of the transgendered, and I support your wish to have sex only with people you want to have sex with, and understand being defensive around the idea that other people would tell you that you have no right to choose. But I think your post moves past wanting autonomy over your sexuality to insulting a human being that offered you no provocat… | /r/MensRights | 04/05/13 08:29 PM |
| 32 | More reproductive rights for women, still zero for men.I don't resent women getting more options. I do resent the complete lack of awareness society has around how few men have. | /r/MensRights | 04/05/13 08:14 PM |
| 7 | What do you guys think of transgenders?You are most certainly welcome. Here is a thread from the last FTM wanting to know whether he would find acceptance, from which you can hopefully better evaluate this subreddit as a whole in its' views of gender dysphoria. | /r/MensRights | 04/05/13 08:03 PM |
| 2 | An Argument of Semantics: What does feminism mean to you?Paglia is politically on the right? Are you sure? I've read a few of her books, and if she were considered to be on the right, it'd be a pretty different right than what is commonly portrayed as the right. I agree with your assessment of christina hoff sommers though. I think both of them stick to the term because they were part of a earlier "wave" of feminism, and don't want to cede ownership of the movement. They view 3rd and possibly even second wave feminism as forks from the original branch… | /r/MensRights | 04/05/13 07:05 PM |
| 11 | Not no means noAlso, I think that when someone becomes aware that a line has been crossed, and that they have transitioned from consensual sexytimes to rape, the sense of violation probably brings with it a sense of shock, and the victim can't be expected to behave in a coldly rational way. They will be confused and possibly terrified. I think one of the issues around the whole topic is that, rather than sexy, getting explicit verbal consent sounds awkward as hell. The united states is sufficiently sex-negativ… | /r/MensRights | 04/05/13 06:21 PM |
| 2 | Watch this- At the very least, it's a worthy challengeGoing through the entire video, he seems to make two basic propositions: 1) Men are crazy violent, we need to figure out why, and stop it. 2) Probably the best way is speaking up when you are presented with misogyny. Now, I have issues with 1, in that I think that he neglects some key things, like the fact that women also participate in child and domestic abuse, but he's taken a long, deep drink from the feminist narrative, and he wants to think that, and he is right at least in that the majorit… | /r/MensRights | 04/05/13 08:17 AM |
| 2 | By framing men's rights issues as a war waged by women against men...you become a mirror image of the gender polarising feminists you despise.I support women's rights. Just not feminism as an institution. I'm not bargaining, either. I won't support Andrea Dworkin. I won't support Julie Bindell. I won't support Catharine Mackinnon. I won't support NOW when they lobby against default shared custody. I won't support NOW when they pull stuff like this. I won't support the AAUW when they cry wolf about a girls crisis in the 90s, suppressing contradictory reports, then double down with this despite this (and I've been working on that topic … | /r/MensRights | 04/05/13 06:15 AM |
| 2 | Five Stupid Things About the Men's Rights MovementIntegralMath already covered most of what I'd say, with a few minor exceptions. | /r/MensRights | 03/05/13 10:16 PM |
| 3 | An Argument of Semantics: What does feminism mean to you?in many respects the relationship betwix the two seems a little childish. I can see that, but I also think that the antagonism is healthy- it creates a dynamic where either "side" works its hardest to disprove the propositions of the other side. There is a lot to be said for that dynamic | /r/MensRights | 03/05/13 06:34 PM |
| 4 | An Argument of Semantics: What does feminism mean to you?I think it is fair to say that MR contains a strong reactionary element to feminism, at least the legal and social climate fostered by some feminists. I don't see why that is bandied about as evidence of its' lack of worth though. The MRM is also critical of traditionalists like Phylis Schlaefly, and would actually be on the side of NOW when it comes to things like the ERA, so the MRM isn't exclusively a reaction to feminism. There is a key difference between being a MRA and an antifeminist thou… | /r/MensRights | 03/05/13 05:45 PM |
| 3 | Meg's side of the story (UWyo feminist who threatened herself). Who could have ever predicted this?Is she establishing a threat narrative? Step 1: increase the perception of agency of your opponent Step 2: increase the perception of your opponents' intent to do bad Step 3: decrease the perception of your opponents vulnerability Step 4: decrease the perception of your agency Step 5: decrease the perception of your intent to do bad Step 6:increase the perception of your vulnerability | /r/MensRights | 03/05/13 04:56 PM |
| 7 | No Country For Men (or just Prime-Middle Age Working Ones)It's important when looking at those numbers to remember that The National Organization for Women intervened and stopped efforts to prevent this, redirecting funds intended to help men losing jobs to create NEW jobs for women. | /r/MensRights | 03/05/13 04:47 PM |
| 12 | An Argument of Semantics: What does feminism mean to you?FWIW, I think that you ARE judged negatively for failing to fulfill your traditional gender role and I think that is wrong. You're a human being whether or not you aspire to be tough and strong. I disagree that those traits are useless though. They are very useful for certain professions, which is probably why they got entrenched as a traditional gender role in the first place. Not every problem is fixed with a hammer though, and society needs all different types of personality to work well, and… | /r/MensRights | 03/05/13 03:58 PM |
| 19 | An Argument of Semantics: What does feminism mean to you?Because MR's want to perpetuate the idea of Masculinity as something good ... Feminists fix that. Wow. Thank you for supporting a common criticism of feminism. So you aren't really interested in men's issues, you just want to cure men of being men. edit againstmensrights, I know you are brigading this, but downvotes without refutation only prove my point. | /r/MensRights | 03/05/13 03:36 PM |
| 14 | An Argument of Semantics: What does feminism mean to you?Insisting on policy that presumes gender is entirely a social construct, when most social scientists agree that there inherent differences between the sexes doesn't help. That's true. Especially when feminine behavior is viewed as good and masculine behavior is viewed as something to be discouraged. edit for the obtuse who can't see how this link is relevant: This study shows that boys are testing the same as girls, and receiving worse grades. Why? "Noncognitive skills", ie- attentiveness, persi… | /r/MensRights | 03/05/13 03:34 PM |
| 26 | An Argument of Semantics: What does feminism mean to you?I think feminist theory is sufficiently large that it is hard to determine what a person proclaiming to be a feminist means when they say it. It's hard to even know what someone really means when they reference the patriarchy. The practice of feminism is another matter, and it is why most of the MRM is critical of feminism as a whole. Whatever you believe, when you proclaim to be a feminist, there is a tacit blessing that you confer on activities like lobbying against shared custody, bending sta… | /r/MensRights | 03/05/13 06:15 AM |
| 2 | "MRAs are going to exploit this false-accusation story to drum up paranoia about feminism: I'll just preempt their strawman with one of my own." -Amanda MarcotteGood point. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. | /r/MensRights | 03/05/13 05:15 AM |
| 7 | Feminism and Safe SpaceLegal Paternal Surrender: Karen DeCrow, an attorney who served as president of the National Organization for Women from 1974 to 1977, has written that “if a woman makes a unilateral decision to bring pregnancy to term, and the biological father does not, and cannot, share in this decision, he should not be liable for 21 years of support … autonomous women making independent decisions about their lives should not expect men to finance their choice.” The draft: at about 4:00 | /r/MensRights | 03/05/13 02:59 AM |
| 1 | Governor Scott vetoes alimony reform bill in FloridaYou're right. I actually meant to say the opposite of what I said. | /r/MensRights | 02/05/13 11:59 PM |
| 3 | Feminism and Safe SpaceIt's odd to listen and read about feminists in the seventies railing against in loco parentis rules at colleges, only to see where things have ended up. Go far enough back, and you'll find NOW saying some surprising things: women should be eligible for the draft, men should have legal paternal surrender. It seems like there was a time when feminism made claims to wanting risk and responsibility- I don't know what exactly happened. | /r/MensRights | 02/05/13 10:06 PM |
| 5 | Fatter, Wimpier, More Pathetic (Epic wake up call to western men from Roissy, MUST READ!)Humorous. I hadn't thought to include PUA in the great gynocentricities of our time, but now I am wondering how i could have missed it for so long. After all, it is a group that defines value by how much access you have to vaginas. Not that I have anything against the idea of working on yourself, or even have a problem with the traits associated with "real men"- I just don't think your basic humanity should be contingent on filling that expectation. You are not your job. You are not how much mon… | /r/MensRights | 02/05/13 08:42 PM |
| 3 | What should the punishment for a 100% proven false accusation be?I think attempts to quantify how frequently it happens (there was a thread here a little while ago that debunked the 2% number but favored =~ 8% iirc, 40% is certainly on the far end of estimates) may distract from your main question, which - I think - is what the punishment should be. There's probably a good legal precedent in the way attempted assault is punished. An accusation that is granted a conviction, then later found to be false should be considered a serious assault. I wonder how many … | /r/MensRights | 02/05/13 08:15 PM |
| 1 | I wrote a research paper about Misandry on Television for a media class. It isn't the best, but I was hoping i could get some feedback.I also wasn't allowed to use any kind of blog or wiki yeah, not as sources at least, but still useful as a source of propositions to investigate. | /r/MensRights | 02/05/13 08:06 PM |
| 2 | I wrote a research paper about Misandry on Television for a media class. It isn't the best, but I was hoping i could get some feedback.I think you do a good job highlighting the big issues. What grade level is this report for? I don't know if you can get this from a library or something at this late stage, but you should really look at this book as a source. It contains functional definitions of misandry, and includes exhaustive criticism of the evolution of sitcoms and advertising as they relate to the portrayal of men. Also, the AVFM wiki is still pretty new, but the article on misandry is developing nicely. There is also a d… | /r/MensRights | 02/05/13 07:39 PM |
| 44 | "MRAs are going to exploit this false-accusation story to drum up paranoia about feminism: I'll just preempt their strawman with one of my own." -Amanda Marcottehahah, I showed up to make a comment with that exact text block in my clipboard. Marcotte is objectifying these women, denying their agency, and claiming than rather acting maliciously, they were acted upon by an unjust system. The narrative Marcotte paints is that MRAs want you to believe that false accusations are like, crazy common. That you can't take your dog for a walk without being accused falsely of rape. And why do we think this? Because it lets us paint women and feminists in a negativ… | /r/MensRights | 02/05/13 07:09 PM |
| 1 | Governor Scott vetoes alimony reform bill in Floridachances are that prohibitions against default shared custody will remain in the revised version though. | /r/MensRights | 02/05/13 04:49 PM |
| 6 | An example of Insinuating sexism and hyper-vigilant Feminism? Wikipedia has a "women problem" because men do all the work--all the voluntary work.When you're right you're right. I think that the whole thing may have been resolved less hysterically, but I agree that the author had a legitimate beef. Unless they were decomposing the category into men and women and eliminating american novelists. Breaking it up by era might have also effectively broken the category into something more manageable. I have a really hard time understanding how any community of text-based, pseudonymous handles can effectively be keeping women from participating t… | /r/MensRights | 02/05/13 03:26 PM |
| 178 | From a reformed feminist (even if I didn't know I was one) - I'm sorry.thanks for the (albeit somewhat disturbing) story, and kind words. I'm sorry that my gender has successfully undermined men all over the world It's not your gender. The issues men face were caused by people, many of them men. | /r/MensRights | 02/05/13 06:09 AM |
| 3 | you boys are being mocked over in askredditI agree (obviously), and I really don't understand why things like this aren't even on the list of things feminism is supposedly working on | /r/MensRights | 02/05/13 05:13 AM |
| 10 | you boys are being mocked over in askredditeh, it's an incoherent post with vague criticism. The poster probably has never heard feminism criticized before, and is outraged. Thanks for your post acknowledging that occasionally we say something worth hearing. | /r/MensRights | 02/05/13 04:41 AM |
| 22 | Governor Scott vetoes alimony reform bill in Floridagive it a few years, when alimony starts hurting rich floridian women like it does rich massachussets women, the "time will have come" for alimony reform. | /r/MensRights | 02/05/13 03:24 AM |
| 1 | My Thoughts on This Whole Danny Brown Oral Sex Thing - Kitty PrydeI have a suspicion that the discussion of this article elsewhere will focus more on her unflattering description of groupie women than the nature of sexual assault and the gender expectations of men. | /r/MensRights | 01/05/13 08:43 PM |
| 9 | A List of “Men’s Rights” Issues That Feminism Is Already Working On - Thoughts on this?!frequently discussed- there are a lot of different responses on avfm and other blogs. Recently a protester at university read this list in between imprecations to "shut the fuck up" and maniacal laughter when people insisted that men had issues. When the subject of male suicide came up, she literally sang "cry me a river". Activities like that make the MRM suspect that feminism's (or at least, many feminist's) alleged concern over men's issues is disingenuous. What this list fails to recognize i… | /r/MensRights | 01/05/13 04:44 PM |
| 3 | This is trending on Facebook now. The pressure to conform to unrealistic body types isn't a gendered issue, people! And it isn't a property of nerd culture either!If nerds today go through anything like what nerds went through in my jr/high school, what she's complaining about is nothing. Whining about not being able to wear a skimpy costume to comic con to kids who were bullied and harassed every day from ages 13-18 is pretty weak. | /r/MensRights | 01/05/13 02:31 PM |
| 4 | Why are they obsessed with "privilege"The biggest indictment of intersectionality that I can provide is that it always devolves into an oppression olympics. | /r/MensRights | 01/05/13 04:42 AM |
| 26 | This was posted on Twitter and got 480 retweetsI've seen the video posted here about 3 times in the last few days. It's funny, because it's a well made video that is pretty humorous. It just has zero legitimate criticism in it. Many of the comments are to the effect of "it made me think!". What, exactly, was thought provoking about it is still a mystery to me, since "the MRM is just trying to retain privilege!" is one of the most tired lies that we hear, and I can't imagine that anyone in blue-pill land who has heard of the MRM hasn't also h… | /r/MensRights | 01/05/13 12:47 AM |
| 2 | Barbarossaaaa's Blog: Political correctness in the mens movement.thank you sir! | /r/MensRights | 30/04/13 11:38 PM |
| 2 | For reals.which of the issues concerning the MRM are represented by the ice cream? | /r/MensRights | 30/04/13 10:56 PM |
| 1 | Barbarossaaaa's Blog: Political correctness in the mens movement.well said. It reminds me of an article doing the rounds on facebook a few months back | /r/MensRights | 30/04/13 10:52 PM |
| 13 | Barbarossaaaa's Blog: Political correctness in the mens movement.I love barbarossa, but I wonder what /r/mensrights that commenter was reading, if he feels like feminism can't be criticized. There is something I find interesting though- there is a certain thought pattern that is frequently expressed by concern trolls. I don't know if I would classify it as a fallacy, or a bias, or just an expectation. We'll call it the fallacy of symmetry. It is the expectation that for every fault of "one side", there must be a corresponding fault on the "other side". If fem… | /r/MensRights | 30/04/13 09:56 PM |
| 3 | "Take The Test: Feminist Shenanigans or Satire?" Dr. Hoff-Sommers spotlights some wackjob Feminist theories and critiquesthat was my pick too. | /r/MensRights | 30/04/13 09:38 PM |
| 1 | Please help me campaign for a men's officer at my universityI might reply that the declining rate of graduation in higher education is reason enough for men to start talking amongst themselves about what their challenges are, and how to address them. I'm tempted to go into a lengthy response challenging this person's propositions (especially the one about not being a "real man" is sexist against women, because of discussions like these), but since they are being friendly, I'd probably just submit a list of difficulties and challenges that men face, as we… | /r/MensRights | 30/04/13 08:31 PM |
| 2 | "Why my male babysitter freaks some people out" - from Washington PostThanks a lot MechPlasma- I appreciate the explanation and tracking it down | /r/MensRights | 30/04/13 08:00 PM |
| 19 | Ontario schools will offer gender studies, thanks to five young womenor to demand that gender studies curriculum contain material by both feminists and masculist thinkers. Warren Farrell should be taught right alongside... honestly, I am not so well versed in feminism that I could offer the perfect analog, Susan Faludi perhaps? Courses covering misogyny should also require selected readings from Spreading Misandry. Showing videos like feminism and the disposable male would go a long way to creating balance and challenging kids to think critically. | /r/MensRights | 30/04/13 06:52 PM |
| 2 | "Why my male babysitter freaks some people out" - from Washington PostSo it was a study that didn't consider molesting a kid to be sexual assault unless it involved putting your penis somewhere it wasn't wanted? edit also, I definitely see where the self-reporting biases things. further edit the 2000 report? is that the 2000 AAUW report? given their track record of reporting the "girls crisis in education", I'm pretty skeptical of reports coming from them. | /r/MensRights | 30/04/13 06:04 PM |
| 9 | "Why my male babysitter freaks some people out" - from Washington PostWhen it comes to kids, we are pretty close to being a society that has demonized men. And this isn’t a totally unreasonable reaction. In one government study of sexual assaults on children, the Bureau of Justice Statistics found that 96 percent of the offenders they studied were male. What? That's wildly different than this. Anyone more knowledgeable than me about this? Is that REALLY as misandric as it seems? | /r/MensRights | 30/04/13 05:51 AM |
| 9 | What do MRAs think of Women's rights?Do MRA's think misogyny doesn't exist today or that Men's Rights is a more pressing issue? Misogyny definitely exists. So does racism, homophobia, and transphobia. So does misandry. I think you may be wondering why Men's Rights doesn't take feminisms' approach of trying to absorb every concern- and the best answer I can provide is that I prefer movements to have simple propositions that you can support or oppose. Being a MRA means that you are willing to advocate for Men's Rights. Full stop. Bei… | /r/MensRights | 30/04/13 03:08 AM |
| 2 | Let's start a letter writing campaign for Earl Silvermanit might also be a good idea to suggest erin pizzey as a source to contact about the state of male domestic violence? | /r/MensRights | 29/04/13 11:44 PM |
| 9 | Men's Rights Advocate Earl Silverman Leaves a Legacy of Feminist-Bashing - The Atlantic - starts out with a quote from the Southern Poverty Law Centerit's so weird to me that reddit is quoted more frequently than published authors like Warren Farrell or Paul Nathanson and Katherine Young. I mean, it's not actually weird, because it's clear what the intent is, but it isn't like the MRM doesn't have academics and pundits to respond to feminist academics and pundits. Nowhere near as many, but enough. | /r/MensRights | 29/04/13 10:31 PM |
| 7 | So because "Apex Fallacy" only holds weight in the MRM, how do I explain to people why men overwhelming hold the majority of powerful positions in politics, business, and every other institution.Rephrase the apex fallacy as an example of the fallacy of composition wherein the characteristics of the highest visibility members of a group are assigned to all members of that group. Then refer to other examples where men who are not politicians or CEOs face tremendous difficulty. The apex fallacy was never meant to explain why the majority of politicians are men, it was meant to explain the tendency to ignore the problems that men face while a minority does well, much as you continue to do. | /r/MensRights | 29/04/13 08:57 PM |
| 1 | House Resolution: Climate Change May Turn Women into Whores or, gasp, Cause Them to Wed Earlywow, this resolution is quite a read. It's basically one long "Whereas men are disposable, and women are delicate flowers..." | /r/MensRights | 29/04/13 08:47 PM |
| 1 | So are MGTOW's the radfems of MHRM?how do you mean? | /r/MensRights | 29/04/13 06:39 PM |
| 1 | So are MGTOW's the radfems of MHRM?I thought his complaint came from someone telling him he was disposable. That's not throwing your sexuality in someone's face. I'm not accusing you of this, but I find that sometimes mentioning your sexuality as somehow relevant to your identity constitutes "throwing it in your face" to some people. | /r/MensRights | 29/04/13 06:38 PM |
| 1 | So are MGTOW's the radfems of MHRM?Represent us in some way. I have My criticism is that you were addressing his identity as a homosexual, rather than his characteristic of being a sloppy thinker prone to jumping to conclusions. | /r/MensRights | 29/04/13 06:13 PM |
| 1 | So are MGTOW's the radfems of MHRM?Expecting to be treated like a human isn't the same as weilding their sexuality like a flaming sword. MRAs should understand the impulse to insist on being treated fairly. | /r/MensRights | 29/04/13 05:52 PM |
| 1 | [OPINION] Why i hate this sub.yep. I assume there were girls at those parties in stubenville, but only the boys are shamed for not intervening. | /r/MensRights | 29/04/13 05:39 PM |
| 6 | Why do people not take men's rights seriously?If you believe that, you’re operating under a faulty understanding of the issue and should do some research. Oddly enough, those disagreeing with you would say the same thing. Are you arguing that there are no elements of feminist thought and lobbying activities that can be legitimately criticized? We're fully aware that it is our criticism of feminism that makes us controversial. I do think that your assumption that people would be happy to help and care if only we stopped criticizing feminism … | /r/MensRights | 29/04/13 04:58 PM |
| 3 | So are MGTOW's the radfems of MHRM?The one entitled "honest question" that you posted four hours ago (5 AM PST)? Give it a while. I don't dislike gay men at all (in fact, I agree with blueoak that gay men are the ultimate MGTOWs). I'm a man going his own way, but I don't really know if you'd consider me MGTOW because going my own way isn't something that is central to my identity (more of a decision I made and moved on from), and I don't really hang out with that community. | /r/MensRights | 29/04/13 04:25 PM |
| 7 | So are MGTOW's the radfems of MHRM?looking over this post and subsequent posts, you seem to be committing a fallacy of composition by assuming that this individual was representative of the whole movement. I don't think "gay men are disposable" is any part of the MGTOW platform. I thought I had an idea what MGTOW was like from listening to the barbarossa and stardusk channels, but when I checked out /r/mgtow the other day, it seemed something pretty different. My guess is that there is a lot of variety in MGTOW, ranging from PUAs… | /r/MensRights | 29/04/13 04:12 PM |
| 2 | Questions from a feministThere seems to be something about sunday evenings... | /r/MensRights | 29/04/13 06:32 AM |
| 4 | Something We Shouldn't RepeatI think we'll be spared that danger because "real men" is already a phrase that refers to something very different. | /r/MensRights | 29/04/13 06:15 AM |
| 50 | Questions from a feministI just put a short list in another thread. AVFM worked with a lot of members of the MRM to put a longer list together in march. I think feminists would agree with a lot of the issues. I think feminists would disagree with the MRM that feminist ideology and lobbying effort is the vector through which a lot of the issues are propogated and reinforced. Which isn't to say traditionalism is any better- just that feminism has more social currency. | /r/MensRights | 29/04/13 06:10 AM |
| 4 | I'm thinking about writing an essay about this subreddit. What do you think are the most pressing issues in regard to /r/MensRights?here's a pretty good post on the subject | /r/MensRights | 29/04/13 06:00 AM |
| 14 | I'm thinking about writing an essay about this subreddit. What do you think are the most pressing issues in regard to /r/MensRights?Fundamentally, I think all issues stem from a gynocentricity of our culture, the perception that issues are only valid as they relate to women, and that sexism is something that can only be experienced by women to the extent that a large section of our progressive thinking populace will still proclaim proudly that "misandry don't real". It's probably easier to grapple with a subset of the issues that stem from this. A modest smattering of these issues: boys are increasingly unhappy with schools,… | /r/MensRights | 29/04/13 05:39 AM |
| 14 | [OPINION] Why i hate this sub.This subreddit is just a hub for bickering and "bad women shaming" rather than to the point of mens rights. There was a discussion on /r/mensrightsmeta a few months where I thought IgnatiusLoyola summarized why women behaving badly posts are needed" Women Behaving Badly - I think this is needed, still. Every single case ends up also being an instance of the injustice of the justice system, treating women with a softer hand. In my own words, women are treated by our society as having hypoagency -… | /r/MensRights | 28/04/13 11:38 PM |
| 3 | Thoughts on GitHub Giving Free Private Repos to WomenTraditionalism (and, I would argue, modern feminism): "real manhood" is earned and prized, men without it have no value. womanhood is valuable and just happens, but because that value is passive, women are not perceived as being agents. What I'd like to see: Men gaining intrinsic value Women retaining intrinsic value both being required to earn professional respect by demonstrating useful traits. Those traits may still be traits of "hegemonic masculinity" (stoicism, restraint, forcefulness, gene… | /r/MensRights | 28/04/13 11:23 PM |
| 5 | Are men the only ones who are guilty of objectification?One problem is that discussions of objectification tend to compare apples and oranges, since men, in general, look for different things in women than women, in general, look for in men. If you haven't seen GWW's video: I'm a sexy woman, so stop objectifying me! you should watch that now. | /r/MensRights | 28/04/13 09:48 PM |
| 11 | Thoughts on GitHub Giving Free Private Repos to WomenMy first thought was that it was an example of gallantry, rather than encouragement. Since you have to be a programmer to understand why you would want a repo, handing them out for free to women is more an act of appreciation than encouragement. But it didn't really bother me because- repos are cheap, and this isn't a big deal compared to say, the crisis in education. Then I read the rationale: This reluctance has good reasons behind it: fear of being told they are bad programmers, fear of being… | /r/MensRights | 28/04/13 09:39 PM |
| 8 | Slapping Is Okay: Why Is It So Acceptable In Society For Men To Get Domestically Abusedit really is hard to make calls like that, because messages like that are almost always couched in jokes. I just think that it fails the flip-the-gender test. "Hey, I hate women too, but doesn't excuse beating them!" | /r/MensRights | 28/04/13 09:18 PM |
| 1 | Whiteknight feminist claims "what MRAs see as men's issues are really quasi-straight men's issues." Thoughts?What term is more appropriate? | /r/MensRights | 28/04/13 06:04 PM |
| 16 | Slapping Is Okay: Why Is It So Acceptable In Society For Men To Get Domestically AbusedThis article is misandric Given that one one of the captions for a photo is: "Listen, I hate my gender, too, but that doesn’t give anyone the right to just slap the shit out of them.", I don't see how any rational person could disagree. | /r/MensRights | 28/04/13 06:02 PM |
| 3 | Orchestrating Impartiality: The Impact of "Blind" Auditions on Female MusiciansI'm a fan of policies which provide some level of anonymity to the hiring process. It's interesting to note that this report indicates a drastic inequality in opportunity (a 500% increase in hiring) in the orchestral music industry in the 70s, and compare that to the magnitude of a recently reported in academic science, where an applicant was evaluated (by men AND women) to be 6.6% more competent if the resume had a male name. I like blind hiring procedures, because there are many irrelevant qua… | /r/MensRights | 28/04/13 05:51 PM |
| 2 | Little girl socialized to thinking being a boy is terrible.To be fair, there's a difference between thinking that being a boy is terrible, and being upset at being forced into a different gender. | /r/MensRights | 28/04/13 05:09 PM |
| 2 | Whiteknight feminist claims "what MRAs see as men's issues are really quasi-straight men's issues." Thoughts?ah sorry, I don't know why I didn't realize it was an affiliated sub | /r/MensRights | 27/04/13 11:51 PM |
| 7 | Whiteknight feminist claims "what MRAs see as men's issues are really quasi-straight men's issues." Thoughts?3 weeks from "working on men's issues" to attacking the MRM. Big surprise. Clearly what men really need is another David Futrelle. Here's the thing: I agree that the MRM has some blunt, bigoted people in it. It's not a movement in which sensitivity is the most prized virtue. You will encounter, occasionally (and much more frequently than I would care for- especially on what I would consider the outer fringes), transphobia, homophobia, and misogyny. And here's the irony. Those of the MRM who are … | /r/MensRights | 27/04/13 11:33 PM |
| 3 | Jezebel is creepily pro-circumcision.can't link to gawker on mensrights. Google "Have you ever beat up a boyfriend? Cause, uh, we have" | /r/MensRights | 27/04/13 09:20 PM |
| 52 | I am a Female to Male Transgendered person and I plan on transitioning to being physically male as soon as I'm reasonably able to. Is there a place for someone like me in /r/mensrights?Yes. Welcome. I'd love to hear your stories. | /r/MensRights | 27/04/13 07:29 AM |
| 18 | Jezebel is creepily pro-circumcision.In another post, the editors got together to brag about beating on their boyfriends. Yeah, that's my favorite jezebel post of all time. | /r/MensRights | 27/04/13 07:26 AM |
| 45 | Jezebel is creepily pro-circumcision.I think it is kind of hypocritical to feel so strongly that men shouldn't have a say about a woman's body, and to have such a sense of entitlement to an opinion on male genital mutilation. Honestly, I think they just care about it mainly because our culture endorses it (emphatically, in some cases like judaism), and anything the MRM wants has to be stopped. | /r/MensRights | 27/04/13 06:47 AM |
| 2 | When was the juice no longer worth the squeeze for you?I'm on a dating hiatus that will be prolonged, if not permanent. My main reason is just that I'm comfortable with myself, and old enough (40) that sex just isn't a big deal anymore. I've achieved most of my ambitions (which was a LOT of work in my twenties and early thirties), and basically just want to hold steady with my work, save for retirement, study things that interest me, and enjoy my life. That's been a hard sell with girlfriends in the past that have been obsessed with self improvement… | /r/MensRights | 27/04/13 06:39 AM |
| 3 | I can understand the criticism of this subreddit now.if you look at the threads anriana commented on, you can see where that viewpoint would come from. | /r/MensRights | 27/04/13 04:31 AM |
| 3 | The Reason I'm unsubscribing from r/MensRightshttp://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/1d1ick/5000_scholarship_for_single_fathers/ | /r/MensRights | 27/04/13 03:22 AM |
| 1 | Gender Equality: The Most Important Struggle on the PlanetPlease do- they are wonderful. | /r/MensRights | 27/04/13 03:20 AM |
| 5 | "Because nobody cares about men and boys" RIP Earl SilvermanThe only thing I can say is: tragic. And that doesn't begin to say enough. | /r/MensRights | 27/04/13 03:19 AM |
| 3 | Gender Equality: The Most Important Struggle on the PlanetI just found your blog earlier this week, and have enjoyed all the articles. The only problem is that there isn't much I have to respond with after reading them, except saying "yup!" | /r/MensRights | 27/04/13 01:19 AM |
| 10 | The Reason I'm unsubscribing from r/MensRightsor the financial aid specifically for single fathers yesterday. | /r/MensRights | 27/04/13 01:16 AM |
| 42 | I Cheated On My Husband To Secure Better Genes For My ChildrenIt's funny, I heard a debate with Mike Buchanan (the UK guy running on a mrm platform), and one of the things brought up in an accusation of misogyny was his stance on mandatory paternity testing. I realized that I just have a completely different definition of misogyny, because I felt that if that the paternity statistics were true, such a test was reasonable, and not based on a hatred of women so much as a desire to protect men. Administering the test didn't seem at all misogynistic to me, but… | /r/MensRights | 26/04/13 06:49 PM |
| 1 | The feminists that took over the subreddit /r/rapeculture have deleted information relating to female perpetrated rape, and the ways in which rape and government agencies are covering up female and maWow, so ironic, considering the karma hits I've seen you take on the subject. | /r/MensRights | 26/04/13 06:04 PM |
| 2 | The feminists that took over the subreddit /r/rapeculture have deleted information relating to female perpetrated rape, and the ways in which rape and government agencies are covering up female and mayou requested the subreddit? | /r/MensRights | 26/04/13 06:01 PM |
| 46 | A girl at my college posted this on Facebook. She got several comments that agreed, all from other women.it's good to see this. One wonders if the response would have been positive if a male student had posted it. | /r/MensRights | 25/04/13 09:23 PM |
| 2 | Rightful criticism on Feminism Part 2!if you are looking for a specific topic, or specific statistics, we may be able to help you. there are many specific studies contained in /r/MensRightsLinks and /r/MRRef and most of the high-karma users of /r/mensrights try to source any statistics relevant to arguments they make. | /r/MensRights | 25/04/13 08:53 PM |
| 3 | Rightful criticism on Feminism Part 2!links to these may be found on the AVFM forums, which deserves the credit for maintaining the list. | /r/MensRights | 25/04/13 08:38 PM |
| 3 | Rightful criticism on Feminism Part 2!Here's a partial list of literature Male Welfare/Masculinity literature: "Transformation: Understanding the Three Levels of Masculine Consciousness" by Robert A. Johnson "Loving Men, Respecting Women" by Tim Goldich "Is There Anything Good About Men?" by Roy F. Baumeister. "The Way of Men" by Jack Donovan "Why Men Are the Way They Are" by Warren Farrell "The Myth Of Male Power" by Warren Farrell. "Why Men Earn More" by Warren Farrell. "The Manipulated Man" by Esther Vilar "Anatomy Of Female Powe… | /r/MensRights | 25/04/13 08:35 PM |
| 6 | The term "patriarchy theory" is inconsistent with its own definition, as defined by its own proponents(I really don't like jezebel anyways) heh, we have that in common. I should have been more specific- I assumed you would know that I was referencing a jezebel article Lindy West wrote recently that seemed to have been picked up by the rest of the internet, only to be repeated by the red-headed demonstrator at the university of toronto, and mutate without any consideration of mra responses. In my experience talking with self-described feminists, the term is used extremely loosely, and few people … | /r/MensRights | 25/04/13 08:17 AM |
| 4 | The term "patriarchy theory" is inconsistent with its own definition, as defined by its own proponentsso educate us. what's The Patriarchy that causes those problems that that jezebel article was about? How does it do it, and how is feminism dismantling it? | /r/MensRights | 25/04/13 06:09 AM |
| 6 | Psy and his new music video Gentleman triggers the question: Where is the line between humor and sexism?Also in the video: pranks on men, and pranks on children. Somehow, everyone agrees that there is nothing wrong with either of those. | /r/MensRights | 25/04/13 02:41 AM |
| 8 | Founder of the Everyday Sexism Project responds to criticism. Discuss?yes we do focus on sexism against women, whilst absolutely acknowledging that it can affect men too, because of the wider backdrop of political, social, economical and professional gender imbalance which exacerbates these incidents and can give their impact on women greater weight. I think that's the contentious point, and if she's willing to dialog about it, I'll be happy for the opportunity. I think a good starting point might be this post on gender roles that was recently submitted to /r/masc… | /r/MensRights | 25/04/13 12:28 AM |
| 25 | $5,000 scholarship for single fathersThanks. Passing this on to a single father who is in definite need. | /r/MensRights | 24/04/13 10:47 PM |
| 1 | The declining moral fiber of this subreddit (Wall of text)What do you think of the concept of the tyranny of the majority? | /r/MensRights | 24/04/13 06:25 PM |
| 1 | The declining moral fiber of this subreddit (Wall of text)Just petty ones in general and who decides what is petty? you feel entitled to walk into their place and taking it from the register, or locking them up in your basement, you shouldn't sue them because it's the same thing. I'd expand that to feeling entitled to walking into their place and forcing them to behave a certain way. For example, allow blacks to sit anywhere in the bus. If you expand your definition to THAT, then I will agree, and point out that very few lawsuits discussed in /r/mensri… | /r/MensRights | 24/04/13 06:19 PM |
| 1 | The declining moral fiber of this subreddit (Wall of text)Are you against all lawsuits, or specific ones? Are you advocating a policy of meek acceptance of theft? I suspect that there are cases in which you agree that legal recourse is justified, and preferable to other forms of recourse (like using violence to get your money back). So it comes down to specific cases, and your broad "moral" position is too reductionist to be useful. | /r/MensRights | 24/04/13 06:02 PM |
| 1 | The declining moral fiber of this subreddit (Wall of text)To equate a lawsuit to violence is to propose a new definition of violence. A lawsuit may be forceful, it may be severe, but it isn't violence. In fact, it is impossible to practice violence on a corporation because a corporation has no body, and a corporation has no consciousness. I think you may be getting downvotes because people think you are trying to force your personal politics onto the MRM. You are saying that the only valid activism is activism that occurs within your personal political… | /r/MensRights | 24/04/13 05:11 PM |
| 7 | washington state bans gender-specific wordsI wonder if they'll still use the terms "feminism" and "patriarchy" | /r/MensRights | 24/04/13 05:56 AM |
| 1 | What MRAs Look Like [non gawker resub]agreed, although these programs would probably be sufficient for the layman. It's use was discussed here. Sorry, we've wandered off-topic into other things that interest me =) | /r/MensRights | 24/04/13 02:40 AM |
| 2 | What MRAs Look Like [non gawker resub]it might be, but a much better baseline, it would at least shift the burden of proof to her critics. I know that there is some discussion of linguistic fingerprints that might be useful in evaluating such claims. edit Also, nobody seems to be disputing the validity of the few examples that she has already provided, so I don't know how probable it is that they would start now. | /r/MensRights | 24/04/13 01:31 AM |
| 7 | Why Do Men Need Male-Only Groups on Campus?(written by Glen Poole)Every now and then, TGMP publishes something good. This was one of those times. The comments section is interesting too. | /r/MensRights | 24/04/13 12:40 AM |
| 1 | What MRAs Look Like [non gawker resub]eh, I just wanted to clarify that I posted it because someone else had, and it seemed more polite to repost it as a screen shot than to silence them just by reporting it. I wouldn't have posted it otherwise (although I've been mulling over the youtube celebrity of big red this week, and would probably have made a post about that either as a response or a submission). I was mainly just explaining the history that lead to its' posting. | /r/MensRights | 23/04/13 11:32 PM |
| 2 | What MRAs Look Like [non gawker resub]I disagree. It's posted here as a screenshot because the actual link was posted earlier and that violates this sub's policies, but rather than just reporting it, I wanted to at least give the guy submitting it (who refused to screen shot it) a chance to have it discussed. But it's criticism which is easily rebutted, so might as well for anyone who is interested in hearing a rebuttal. It's not like jezebel is getting pageviews from the thing. | /r/MensRights | 23/04/13 11:22 PM |
| 11 | What MRAs Look Like [non gawker resub]"how are we trying to take away their rights?" (1.5 seconds later) "Can youoou shut the fuck up too so I can read my fucking list?" "So you just hate feminists? Bullshit! You hate sexism but you're an MRA (edit: implying that that is impossible), now if you'd SHUT the FUCK UP..." | /r/MensRights | 23/04/13 11:19 PM |
| 2 | What MRAs Look Like [non gawker resub]I just don't know many professional victims who have explicitly refused requests to corroborate their claims. Maybe it is just more funny that "skepchick" gets outraged when encountering skepticism. Especially when it should be so easy to provide the hundreds of threatening emails that she receives, since she has received them. It's not like people are asking her to conduct tests, or perform a difficult mathematical proof. | /r/MensRights | 23/04/13 10:27 PM |
| 9 | #RadFem2013 Kicked Out of London Irish Centre. "We did some research into RadFem and discovered certain language was used and some statements were made about transgender people that would go against oI think there's consistency in position- there have been a few trans discussions in the last several months, and the same people tend to chime in with the same points. But, I did make that post somewhat tongue in cheek- the MRM is about male rights (trans and cis), but it shouldn't really be about "allying"- you can be a lgbt advocate and a mra, there isn't a lot to be gained by trying to follow feminism's footsteps of coopting every human rights movement. But it does amuse me that radical femin… | /r/MensRights | 23/04/13 10:21 PM |
| 8 | #RadFem2013 Kicked Out of London Irish Centre. "We did some research into RadFem and discovered certain language was used and some statements were made about transgender people that would go against oHeh, I think we should reference this when asked what the MRM does for other disadvantaged groups. The MRM were better trans-allies here than any feminist groups. | /r/MensRights | 23/04/13 09:16 PM |
| 19 | Do you believe Misandry is a global problem, or a Western one?Misandry is the hatred of men, not the deprivation of their rights. There are issues (disposability) that seem to affect men globally. Rights (such as having access to your children) are going to be specific to the legal systems in which these men live. Non-western men face problems that western men are lucky not to face | /r/MensRights | 23/04/13 09:12 PM |
| 4 | What MRAs Look Like [non gawker resub]um? what? I think /r/mensrights will discuss articles on jezebel, but it's not like /r/mensrights is some hacktivist group that "does things" to people we disagree with. | /r/MensRights | 23/04/13 07:52 PM |
| 1 | Having some reservations about A Voice for MenI think that the georgetown brouhaha is a wakeup call for AVFM to fact check more carefully, and try to hold themselves to better journalistic standards. I think that /r/mensrights needs to draw a distinction between identifying and doxxing. I know "doxxing" sounds all edgy, but it's very hyperbolic when all that is disclosed is a name. I would be happy to see other websites focusing on men's issues gain more traction- genderattic is phenomenal, and I'd love to see it get more views. But for she… | /r/MensRights | 23/04/13 07:49 PM |
| 1 | What MRAs Look Like [non gawker resub]yup, just wanted to acknowledge it was a resub of a pre-existing submission, even from srs | /r/MensRights | 23/04/13 07:13 PM |
| 33 | What MRAs Look Like [non gawker resub]actually if you watch the video, she even yells that at people who try to answer her (presumably rhetorical) questions | /r/MensRights | 23/04/13 06:48 PM |
| 3 | What MRAs Look Like [non gawker resub]You might start by joining the National Coalition for Men which is an advocacy group that works on behalf of men. You might also watch fathers and families for specific mention of legislation attempting to deal with men's issues, and write your congressmen/senators in support. I don't know of any activism you can do on behalf of male students, sadly. Beyond that, you might ask which particular issues you want to work, and ask for suggestions. | /r/MensRights | 23/04/13 06:25 PM |
| 12 | What MRAs Look Like [non gawker resub]I was amused recently by a comment from someone who was associated with radfemhub that claimed "nazis were MRAs too!" Because the nazis really cared a lot about all the male gypsies, jews, and homosexuals that they killed. Real Men's Rights Activists, those. | /r/MensRights | 23/04/13 06:17 PM |
| 6 | What MRAs Look Like [non gawker resub]Sorry- I just assumed you would have seen one of the several. probably started here also frequently viewed and here Manboobz also complains that this woman(3:56) is persecuted for being feisty and non-subservient. | /r/MensRights | 23/04/13 06:14 PM |
| 17 | What MRAs Look Like [non gawker resub]Is this what we stand for? Making death threats, rape jokes, stalking Charlotte, etc.? Absolutely not. But I am skeptical that she has received an unusual amount of these, and that those she has received have been from the MRM. Much like Rebecca Watson, she wants us to take her at her word that "MRAs" are turning her into a victim, without providing more than a few screencaps, many of which are demonstrably not from MRAs. It sucks that being famous on the internet for acting like a sociopath res… | /r/MensRights | 23/04/13 06:05 PM |
| 8 | What MRAs Look Like [non gawker resub]Anecdotally, Rebecca Watson has built her career on similar claims, and has not provided any evidence of the mountain of harassment she claims to receive. It shouldn't be a hard thing to produce. | /r/MensRights | 23/04/13 05:40 PM |
| 10 | What MRAs Look Like [non gawker resub]I'm not sure she is. Or an unusual amount anyway. this is why I think she became a youtube phenomenon. I don't doubt that she attracted trolls who said the things they thought most likely to bother her. I'm just not sure that she drew any more hate mail than a viral video of a westboro baptist church member screaming about god hating fags would. The only thing that can pull the spotlight away from her crazy behavior is to try to spin this into her being a victim to horrible people, so her claims… | /r/MensRights | 23/04/13 05:39 PM |
| 88 | What MRAs Look Like [non gawker resub]I've been musing this week over what, exactly, the alchemical recipe was that turned Charlotte's video into a youtube sensation. There were lots of clips of other protesters making outrageous statements, some even provided their names, and yet "big red" was the one that went viral. I think it went viral because, even in this jaded age, you rarely find something THAT ironic. A participant of a protest that aimed to stifle a calm discussion of misandry, angrily shouting that she cared about men's … | /r/MensRights | 23/04/13 04:55 PM |
| 3 | What MRAs Look Like [non gawker resub]u/real-dreamer deserves credit for finding this. | /r/MensRights | 23/04/13 04:07 PM |
| 46 | Florida lawmakers move to end permanent alimony, as governor weighs legislationYeah, there is some good legislation being considered in California right now (and surprise, NOW is fighting it). | /r/MensRights | 23/04/13 03:54 PM |
| 2 | My friend made this list...I love the time machine argument that I keep hearing. First of all, because for it to be at all relevant, time machines would have to, you know, exist. Second because it completely presumes that all men in history were walking around enjoying tremendous affluence and lives of leisure. | /r/MensRights | 23/04/13 03:43 PM |
| 6 | How do you gentlemen feel about the act of male circumcision?Here it's 50/50 That hasn't been my experience at all. | /r/MensRights | 23/04/13 03:38 PM |
| 3 | My guy friend of several years recently told me that he's Feminist and anti-MRAanother essential step is to get people to acknowledge the difference between being critical of feminism and being sexist. That you can be pro-women's rights and still think that Patriarchy theory is hokum and that lobbying groups like NOW are doing a lot of harm to men. | /r/MensRights | 23/04/13 03:36 PM |
| 1 | John Lydon on the whole "sexist, misogynist pig" thing from a week or two ago.The Sex Pistols records were great. How much was the sex pistols and how much was malcolm mclaren has never really been clear to me- the sex pistols may have been a dressed up boy band- I never really saw any of the same greatness from PIL. In any event, it's not like the Sex Pistols had a reputation for promoting gender equity. Maybe 30 years has tricked people into mistaking the sex pistols for crass. | /r/MensRights | 22/04/13 12:20 AM |
| 15 | Every MRA (or person critical of the MRM) should know this term: DARVOBecause this is exactly what opponents of the MRM are trying to do with U of T protesters. | /r/MensRights | 21/04/13 07:41 PM |
| 22 | Why is Warren Farrell called a rape apologist?The chapter that that quote is taken from is one in which Farrell discusses the problematic nature of that fine line. One of the citations from that quote is this study Abstract We investigated whether women ever engage in token resistance to sex--saying no but meaning yes--and, if they do, what their reasons are for doing so. A questionnaire administered to 610 undergraduate women asked whether they had ever engaged in token resistance and, if so, asked them to rate the importance of 26 possibl… | /r/MensRights | 21/04/13 07:11 PM |
| 5 | Hey all, I was hoping you guys might be interested in assisting with a research project.In addition to reading the faq, you might review this document that avoiceformen published in march, which does a reasonable job of consolidating a consensus viewpoint of the platform. When a no-karma, 43 minute old account asks for a thread in which people in an anonymous forum provide real world demographic information, I expect people will be justifiably suspicious. I'm not accusing you of anything, just explaining why you might get less response than you want. You might get better results if… | /r/MensRights | 21/04/13 05:50 PM |
| 4 | John Lydon on the whole "sexist, misogynist pig" thing from a week or two ago.I don't get where the sudden fascination with Lydon is coming from. He's the prototype from which all trolls are formed- he's been pushing whatever buttons were available all his career. This really isn't anything new at all. It's like commenting on the fact that cows eat grass. | /r/MensRights | 21/04/13 02:34 AM |
| 9 | Should I create a subreddit for "fairness"?turning over a new leaf for the men's rights for that to make any sense, you'd have to demonstrate that /r/mensrights is discriminatory towards women, or that the men's rights community should be ashamed of itself in some way. and we'd probably choose someone with an actual history within the subreddit to lead it, if we ever chose to do it. and "tightly moderating it" isn't the way to encourage critical discussion. /r/againstmensrights posters are allowed to post here. THAT is how a subreddit de… | /r/MensRights | 21/04/13 02:26 AM |
| 6 | Caution about female MRAsSome of the FeMRAs on /r/mensrights are some of the most articulate and dedicated people we have. While I absolutely do agree that we shouldn't offer any special treatment to FeMRAs, immediate distrust is also special treatment, and is unfair. I'd rather assume the best in people and let them prove me wrong. GWW isn't the only exception, not by a long shot. | /r/MensRights | 21/04/13 02:19 AM |
| 3 | MRAs opinions of transgendered people and issues - your thoughts?I think the distinction others are making about the MRM not trying to absorb every other social movement is a good one. That said, the MRM tends to acknowledge gender as more than a social construct, which is a much better framework for understanding gender dysphoria- it's hard to believe that gender is completely a social construct (as many feminists do), and also believe that it is possible to identify with a gender so strongly that it is possible to be transgendered. There is also a very freq… | /r/MensRights | 20/04/13 09:00 PM |
| 3 | The level of discourse in this subreddit needs to changeI remember that thread, and in one of the drafts of my initial response to your post (where I disagreed with you, and tried to provide a logical accounting of why), there was an introductory sentence pointing out that you were an active and long participant in /r/mensrights. I ended up editing that out because I thought it was off-topic, and because I figured you were capable of defending yourself (your post history should have spoken for itself)- but reading this post, I kind of wish I had left… | /r/MensRights | 20/04/13 06:06 PM |
| 2 | City TV is talking about UofT, and guess who's getting the short end. You might be surprised :)"Doxxing" is the new victim-flavoring of what used to be called "identifying". Actual doxxing involves bypassing explicit attempts to safeguard anonymity, and providing a lot more information than a name. | /r/MensRights | 19/04/13 11:34 PM |
| 4 | If Register Her was Register Him it would be applauded and a norm. in the mainstream. RH shines light on this double standard. Every time the mainstream applies this double standard, it bacomes a platLast week when we were having the same conversation, I did a quick bit of googling to reassure myself that revealing the identities of bigots was commonly accepted practice. Pages of results. Many of them gawker, including some in which they harassed teenagers by calling their families and schools (for saying racist things). The outrage only comes when people won't admit the bigotry. The outrage comes from bigots who see those pages and think "there but for the grace of god go I..." Let me point… | /r/MensRights | 19/04/13 10:39 PM |
| 2 | Men's Rights Agency; Stop Being VictimsThanks, but I don't actually have a lot of pain that needs to be expressed. I'm just pointing out that telling people not to complain is essentially telling people that it isn't ok to express what they feel and think. That's the traditional male role: be strong, hide weakness, never show vulnerability. I'm speaking up because I don't want to see the people that make those gifs you referenced feel like it isn't ok to express their frustration. And again, forums tend to be where people talk. The o… | /r/MensRights | 19/04/13 07:35 PM |
| 2 | Men's Rights Agency; Stop Being VictimsThis is basically a "man up" post. Men have been told not to complain throughout all recorded history. Let them complain, if you think the complaint isn't valid, attack the specific complaint, not the act of communicating something that bothers you. I'm all for activism, but you can complain AND do activism too. You can be for men's rights, and traditional men's roles for yourself, but don't try to shame other men into stoic strength as if it is some kind of progressive idea. | /r/MensRights | 19/04/13 06:37 PM |
| 1 | Are you a repairman? No, you're not. .I think stardusk is assuming that you have seen barbarossa's latest video before you watch his. When he talks about "tradcons" he is specifically addressing the traditional conservatives that start off barbarossa's video. | /r/MensRights | 18/04/13 11:35 PM |
| 1 | My response to why I think "feminism is trying to get rid of gender stereotypes" is crap. I hope i wasn't out of line here.agreed (says an atheist) | /r/MensRights | 18/04/13 03:57 PM |
| 3 | Liberal and apolitical MRA's?gynocentrism is the real issue, and traditionalism and feminism are two flavors of gynocentrism. There is no political party for MHRM issues. Liberal MRAs have other issues that they care about, and vote where they feel they have a chance to actually effect some kind of change that they care about. We're in a hyper-partisan era where we tend to think that anyone who doesn't hold the same views or values is mentally defiicient, and this is why the MRM should be apolotiical. To ally ourselves with… | /r/MensRights | 18/04/13 03:25 PM |
| 12 | Committed feminist mother who marched at the barricades, committed to women's rights, now finds her own son facing unsubstantiated accusations by a former girlfriend and a nightmarish college tribunalI normally don't agree when people classify me as "angry". But articles like this do make me angry. Because this has been happening for years. It's GROSS injustice. And it is completely off most people's radars. I'm sure this woman saw an article or two, mentioning the cases that COTWA frequently reports, and it just didn't matter to her, until it was her little boy. It makes me feel as though men cannot be heard when they advocate on their own behalf. Men apparently "have all the power", until … | /r/MensRights | 17/04/13 04:33 PM |
| 5 | CAFE Calls for Taskforce on Violence Against Young Males after GTA Deathsit's the group that sponsored the farrell lecture at u of t, the fiamengo lecture at u of t, and this latest one with Nathanson and Young. They also do a sunday podcast type thing which can be interesting to listen to. | /r/MensRights | 17/04/13 03:16 AM |
| 1 | I don't know how to respond to this (comments)I think this part: The bill would have also prohibited employers from retaliating against employees who share salary information with their co-workers is reasonable. For a few years now, I've asked people what they would think of legislation requiring employers to disclose the salary of their employees, and to other employers. It seems to me the ultimate wage-gap killer (because there are a lot of wage gaps- not just one affecting women: short men, minorities, uglier people, people with southern… | /r/MensRights | 17/04/13 03:06 AM |
| 1 | "How Guys Will Use Google Glass"[2:45] Thoughts and opinions?Not funny, and it sells a misandric view of men. If you flipped the genders and made a video of a woman fulfilling all the negative stereotypes with the use of said technology, then labeled the video "how women will use google glass" it would be (rightfully) decried as misogyny, | /r/MensRights | 14/04/13 08:24 PM |
| 2 | Paul Elam should take down register-her.comThat it is a extra judicial list of pretty much random women that does no good and actually hurts the movement. I tried to address this in my previous comment regarding vigilantiism. And the majority of that few will be very turned off by this. And will they be right to be turned off? If so, why? Convince me that this is morally wrong. Hell, I've provided a few breadcrumbs in my own posts that should indicate some good starting points. Lastly, why on earth are you saying I am trying to white kni… | /r/MensRights | 13/04/13 01:47 AM |
| 1 | Paul Elam should take down register-her.comThere is a lot of shit going on on both sides, and everyone justifies their actions to themselves, to their supporters and to the public in attempts to make those actions legitimate. I think the essence of our disagreement. I agree that rationalization is something we have to look out for. But I don't think that it is impossible to have internally consistent standards that define what lines can and cannot be crossed- I think you can do that without hypocrisy. The benefits of accepting this behav… | /r/MensRights | 13/04/13 01:32 AM |
| 1 | Paul Elam should take down register-her.comWhy do you rephrase this as an issue of "polite activism" I was searching for a term that I thought contrasted against aggressive activism, and took into account the golden rule. The reason I am having this conversation with you is so that I can ascertain what you are advocating for (and this latest post clarifies a lot of that). And we should note that <X> action isn't what is being decided, it is naming and shaming. Each group will insert their own <X>, and it is the naming and shaming that sh… | /r/MensRights | 13/04/13 12:44 AM |
| 6 | Paul Elam should take down register-her.comI think that we can address dangerous social double standards without creating things like register-her.com. Could you please articulate what it is about "things like register-her.com" that you find so objectionable? What do you think moderates seeing the site will think About the same thing they think when we criticize feminism. They will react like people do when any sacred cow is disturbed. Hopefully at that point, someone with some red pill background will initiate a discussion of agency and… | /r/MensRights | 13/04/13 12:16 AM |
| 2 | Paul Elam should take down register-her.comThere is. Maybe I should have said more aggressive voices began to enact aggressive activism. Do you think it is pragmatic to pursue a policy of polite activism? I kind of hate even putting this disclaimer in, because I hope that my tone makes it clear- but, I really do ask these questions in earnest. Your post history has more than earned my respect, and I am honestly interested in what you think. | /r/MensRights | 12/04/13 11:26 PM |
| 3 | Paul Elam should take down register-her.comIt is a good principle. Do you think it is pragmatic? The frequently voiced opposing view is that the MRM was essentially ignored from the mid 90s (when warren farrell published Myth of Male Power) until later, more aggressive voices began to speak on behalf of men. | /r/MensRights | 12/04/13 10:37 PM |
| 14 | This is what unregulated "my body, my choice" lead to.I agree. I think it is also what complete prohibition against abortion leads to- back alley, black market abortions performed by shady characters willing to break the law for a quick buck. Abortions should be performed by licensed practitioners operating according to established medical standards under the oversight of a regulatory body. | /r/MensRights | 12/04/13 07:49 PM |
| 3 | I am a mother looking for divorced father's honest opinion on where my seven year old boy should live.I was fortunate enough to have both parents, and - I'm just posting to say anecdotally why they were both important to me. I'm not offering this as a statement of an absolute truth, just an experiential one. My mother gave me unconditional love, and that inspired me to deserve it. I have one memory from my teenage years where we were on a roadtrip, and I was being awful- seriously just saying whatever I could to get a rise out of them. We had stopped, and it was just my mother and I in the car. … | /r/MensRights | 12/04/13 07:35 PM |
| 17 | Paul Elam should take down register-her.comYou seem to be arguing two things: that register-her is morally suspect, and that if you disagree, it's still bad strategy. I'll deal with these propositions in reverse order: "Even if register-her is morally sound, it's bad strategy" I strongly disagree. If register-her is NOT morally suspect, then the shock value it generates is a stark illustration of a dangerous social double standard that is misandrist in nature. How can we address women being offered special protections denied men if we, o… | /r/MensRights | 12/04/13 06:46 PM |
| 2 | Legend of Zelda Artwork Inspired by "Tropes vs. Women" - The Evil Bad Guy Still Male [xpost r/gaming]I often hear feminists use female pronouns for god ('oh my goddess', etc...). But I notice that these same people never seem to challenge using the masculine pronoun for the devil. | /r/MensRights | 12/04/13 04:23 PM |
| 2 | Legal change - would you get rid of anti-discrimination law? What other laws would you suggest getting rid of or adopting?The language of the failed Equal Rights Amendment would have been a tremendous asset to the MRM. Equality of rights under the law shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex. that's anti-discrimination that applies to both genders equally. | /r/MensRights | 12/04/13 06:56 AM |
| 1 | CityNews Toronto Interviews John The Other and Dannyboy at UofTI think if JTO had appeared to be an incoherent bigot, it would have been newsworthy, or if it had gotten violent, it would have been newsworthy. I'm not sure just how crazy feminists protesting respectful antifeminists have to get before its news. Pretty damned crazy I would imagine. | /r/MensRights | 12/04/13 06:47 AM |
| 2 | Argument over Dead Island's Riptide Collector's Edition StatueHere's a video to take comfort in The Dead Island Statues controversy really seems contrived to me, | /r/MensRights | 12/04/13 04:01 AM |
| 2 | Found on my campus. Submitting this to both /mensrights and /womensrights, not with an agenda, but to see both groups reactions.Someone needs to explain how acronyms work to these people. | /r/MensRights | 12/04/13 03:50 AM |
| 4 | Is there much disagreement within the MRM about 'financial abortions?'The short answer is: yes. The longer answer is that the MRM has both pro-choice and pro-life constituencies, and whether you think men should have options after an unplanned pregnancy is frequently predicated on whether you think women should. Especially if you're phrasing it as "financial abortion", and seeking a specific analog to abortion (as opposed to safe surrender, or the messiness that is putting a child up for adoption without notifying the father of the pregnancy). I would personally l… | /r/MensRights | 12/04/13 02:02 AM |
| 1 | Am I the only one that gets pissed when I hear/read the term "cis"?woman who wants to live as a man I disagree. My main reason for disagreement wouldn't be admissable in the court of rational discourse- it's anecdotal, but for me the experience of seeing people I respect (rational, compassionate, drama-free people) risk lives they loved (as in jobs they loved, the love of their family, their marriage to someone they were crazy about) to come out as transgender, and then transition was pretty compelling. But science continues to suggest that there really are som… | /r/MensRights | 12/04/13 01:45 AM |
| 3 | CityNews Toronto Interviews John The Other and Dannyboy at UofTI have tremendous respect for John the Other. Sometimes he makes people uncomfortable, but confronting your prejudices is never comfortable. JTO does not accommodate damseling or misandry. | /r/MensRights | 12/04/13 12:34 AM |
| 9 | A discussion of sexism (or lack thereof) in the term "bossiness" for girls vs. boysSo: 40 year old here, school systems have changed a lot since I was a kid, and what I say below may not still be true. I think that part of the reason "bossy" seems to be an adjective aimed at little girls and not little boys is due to a privilege that girls enjoy. There is a physical component to being a bully- a bully dominates not only with words, but with threatened violence. A boy who tries to bully without either the physicality needed to do so, or the assistance of others with that kind o… | /r/MensRights | 11/04/13 08:22 PM |
| 2 | Am I the only one that gets pissed when I hear/read the term "cis"?yeah, I wasn't trying to accuse you of anything, just provide more responses | /r/MensRights | 11/04/13 07:12 PM |
| 3 | Am I the only one that gets pissed when I hear/read the term "cis"?Link to this discussion 13 days ago | /r/MensRights | 11/04/13 06:41 PM |
| 1 | The Rational Wiki page on MRA'sThat's what I was trying to say in my second point: Male disposability has been the social norm throughout the history of civilization, and we want to confront it existing tendencies or states that we'd be interested in correcting are things like the dear colleague letter, primary aggressor policies, etc... | /r/MensRights | 11/04/13 06:37 PM |
| 1 | The Rational Wiki page on MRA'sHm, I thought a reactionary movement was EITHER one that wanted a reversal of an existing tendency or state (which is accurate with the MRM: we feel that there is institutionalized misandry, and that men face discrimination- we want that reversed) OR wanted a return to a previous condition or state of affairs (which does not describe the MRM. Male disposability has been the social norm throughout the history of civilization, and we want to confront it) If it is both, then no- the MRM IS a lot mo… | /r/MensRights | 11/04/13 05:51 PM |
| 5 | The Rational Wiki page on MRA'sInsiders generally do not recognize the current crop of MRAs have in familiary to reactionary movements such as white supremacy. I'd say that our critics try to paint us as a movement such as white supremacy. We certainly do have things in common with reactionary movements, most civil rights movements were reactionary movements. White supremacy. Feminism. Racial equality. MRAs typically do not have a great understanding of feminism and tend to misconstrue it in order to make any sort of claim th… | /r/MensRights | 11/04/13 05:24 PM |
| 4 | The Rational Wiki page on MRA'smeh, this article isn't education, it's indoctrination. I don't know if there would be any point to trying to fix the article up for them, since a glance through the revision history indicates that the article is rigorously maintained by a few people with an agenda. a few examples: The description of the education for boys is so wrong, but definitely captures the bias of the author. It's the way that boys' performance in school is deteriorating that bothers us, not that they aren't growing handl… | /r/MensRights | 11/04/13 05:16 PM |
| 5 | I am thinking of writing an academic journal article about male feminists. I am trying to develop an average profile. Suggestions?I'm not aware of any studies. I come from a subculture where feminism is viewed as a virtue. It wasn't my focus in college, but I was required to analyze literature in feminist and marxist contexts in some of my classes while I worked on my major. I accepted that if you weren't a feminist, you were a douchebag- and the rationale for this seemed obvious: women were equals, everyone knew that they had faced and still faced immense oppression, and that just wasn't right. As a white heterosexual man… | /r/MensRights | 11/04/13 07:15 AM |
| 5 | I saw this over in /r/atheism, but I felt like it belonged here more.Why? | /r/MensRights | 11/04/13 02:41 AM |
| 9 | PatriarchyWe can't get a canonical definition, so usually just assume that the patriarchy is a system of laws and rules made by men to benefit men at the expense of women. If that is an accurate statement of the theory, then there are obvious flaws. Here is a much longer consideration of what the theory is, and what its' proofs might be. | /r/MensRights | 11/04/13 12:32 AM |
| 1 | Feminist: only feminism can effectively advocate for men's issues because "the lacking of a theoretical background disqualifies the men's rights activism from making serious claims about sexism." Lol!I've been developing my own which combines Typhon Blue's focus on Hyperagency/Hypoagency (or the Subject/Object distinction) in traditional gender roles, with GirlWritesWhat (and Warren Farrell's) economic-functionalism geneaological argument, the Platonic-Masculinity-Aristotelian-Femininity distinction, etc. etc. (my articles on /r/Masculism go into this stuff). This Is Relevant to My Interests and I Would Like to Subscribe to Your Newsletter! goes rummaging through post history | /r/MensRights | 10/04/13 11:21 PM |
| 2 | A feminist friend of mine just challenged me to give proof of sexism against menThe selective service is sexist against men, and resistance to the ERA came from women seeking to retain privilege. Ironically, that was even their slogan: "S.T.O.P. - Stop Taking Our Privileges". Many States have primary aggressor policies which mandate that the man is arrested in a domestic violence dispute, even though studies show that men and women abuse each other about the same amount There are also a number of sexist paternity laws in various states. | /r/MensRights | 10/04/13 09:50 PM |
| 22 | A feminist friend of mine just challenged me to give proof of sexism against menIf you support Men's Rights, then you are welcome to be an activist on their behalf, regardless of your other beliefs, that's all that is required. I think the feminist institution (the socio-political infrastructure that exists in its' name) is irredeemably corrupt, but that's a philosophical difference that has nothing to do with whether or not men deserve human rights. I don't share your views, but I respect the integrity you show in sticking to your convictions, and maintaining an open mind … | /r/MensRights | 10/04/13 09:32 PM |
| 5 | a nice and easy way of explaining the relationship of MRAs and feministsI think a lot of (edit:) people who consider themselves feminists think as you claim. It's not fair to tell someone what they think- but it is fair to challenge whether their beliefs are representative of the movement in a meaningful way. I think that "egalitarian feminists" tend to be amiable enablers of more influential feminists who strive for feminine superiority, and often discrimination against men, such as when NOW lobbies against 50-50 default custody, or redirect attempts to deal with u… | /r/MensRights | 10/04/13 08:11 PM |
| 2 | Toronto pools ban dads after Muslim demandsI agree with all your arguments regarding secularism- and I may be too accommodating. I grew up atheist, and had to deal with bizarre impositions of christian culture all the time while I was growing up (I once had a series of D&D manuals confiscated by my public school, and my parents had to lobby for 4 months before I finally got them back- with the promise that I wouldn't bring them to school again. because satanism.). Sometimes it seems to me that christians get upset at muslims over the kin… | /r/MensRights | 10/04/13 08:00 PM |
| 2 | Toronto pools ban dads after Muslim demandsjust because both genders are being discriminated against doesn't make it unfair. I meant more to argue that it was unfair in an egalitarian way, as opposed to a misandrist way. (-edit) Also: you are right that it is a father's rights issue, even if it is also a mother's rights issue. | /r/MensRights | 10/04/13 07:50 PM |
| 4 | Toronto pools ban dads after Muslim demandsI'm familiar with the tyranny of the majority- and you make a good case for it here. I will acknowledge that I may be too accommodating to religions, and that this may just come from an urge to live and let live, or at least choose my battles. Even if I am too accommodating of religion here- that's still a secular issue rather than a gender issue, isn't it? Since the policy imposes equal restrictions on mothers and fathers and sons and daughters? | /r/MensRights | 10/04/13 07:36 PM |
| 5 | Toronto pools ban dads after Muslim demandsWell, presumably because the sole reason a mother couldn't be around her son swimming is because women could not be around men at the pool. That's what the article is claiming, isn't it? That both genders are discriminated against, and accommodated? Mothers are facing the same issues as fathers? Sons and daughters are both alienated from one of their parents? You do make a good point about a secular community, and it may be that I suffer from a form of religious white knighting with atheism, whe… | /r/MensRights | 10/04/13 07:23 PM |
| 7 | Toronto pools ban dads after Muslim demandsNo, I agree that if men and women have equal access to the pool, it's not a gender problem. Even as an atheist, if a sufficiently large portion of the community was muslim, I'd agree that accommodating their beliefs at a public swimming pool was fair. | /r/MensRights | 10/04/13 07:07 PM |
| 3 | Toxic MasculinitySomething ugly happened in stuebenville. And an entire community participated. Those parties were not male-only events. Threats from the community at the rape victim did not all come from men. Something was toxic at stubenville, but it wasn't masculinity. It was a culture that refused to hold its golden children to any accountability. This tendency to turn a blind eye to reprehensible behavior by the "in-crowd" can be found in most high schools, and then in more subtle forms later in life. Stube… | /r/MensRights | 10/04/13 06:57 PM |
| 3 | Toxic MasculinityTo be completely fair, toxic masculinity does exist (we complain about it all the time on /r/MR!) I know what you are talking about, but I think any support of phrases like "toxic masculinity" creates a safe haven for misandry. I'd rather attack the tendency to white knight, or insist on male disposability than label those as "toxic masculinity". | /r/MensRights | 10/04/13 06:44 PM |
| 3 | So Tom Matlack two days after writing an exasperated piece about being hen pecked by feminists has left his own project....yeah, I kind of agree. On the other hand, I think that men have a lot of cultural, and perhaps even instinctual bias against men that does hold us down. When I hear evo-psych used to explain male disposability, I think that we need to try to find ways to combat that urge (and the first step is acknowledging its existence). I don't know if men need to "prove we aren't cavemen"- but I do think we have to confront our inner caveman- not so much in the service of women, but other men and ourselve… | /r/MensRights | 10/04/13 05:27 PM |
| 1 | A post from the "Yes, I'm a feminist. No I don't hate men" Facebook page - your thoughts on this?This list you are quoting comes originally from a jezebel article which basically told the men's movement "we got this". This was my response at the time This article has no grasp of the history of the problems it describes, particularly in regards to the role that feminist activists have played. | /r/MensRights | 10/04/13 04:18 PM |
| 3 | My husband's rights are being seriously taken advantage of, please help!give him a hug for us. | /r/MensRights | 10/04/13 05:39 AM |
| 6 | Priceless dialogue between a feminist and a man attending the infamous U of T MRA seminar...er, except that footage was from the farrell protest. not that farrell is a rape apologist, but that tumblr claims that that protester was at the "from misogyny and misandry to intersexual dialog" lecture, when actually that girl was acting so deplorably at the transforming the boys crisis presentation. Otherwise, good post. | /r/MensRights | 10/04/13 05:13 AM |
| 5 | While I acknowledge there are false rape accusations, are they really as endemic as r/MensRights claims?How endemic does /r/MensRights claim they are? It's important to note that when men's rights activists mention false rape, we often do it to assert that they happen, and that it isn't ok to bypass due process and the presumption of innocence just because rape is a horrible crime. Oftentimes people have the torches and pitchforks out before an investigation is performed, and a MRA will say "how do we know he is guilty yet? Innocent until proven guilty.", which is then interpreted as victim blamin… | /r/MensRights | 09/04/13 11:40 PM |
| 3 | Bitcoin, the angry white male's "nuclear option"?You might want to cite sources with allegations like "bitcoin is primarily used by disenfranchized white men of right-wing persuasion". You may be right, but your argument is entirely unsupported. It certainly wouldn't surprise me that the early adopters of bitcoin were white men- this is a trend that applies to many intersections of technology and society- what would be unusual would be if they were angry white men, as opposed to the kind of primarily white men that first started using the inte… | /r/MensRights | 09/04/13 09:36 PM |
| 2 | Keep seeing this picture on Facebook - Female = Successful - Male = Unsuccessful?no, it's a silhouette of a woman and a silhouette of a man. The semiotics of the illustration suggest that these are gendered traits, even if the claim isn't made explicitly. You may think that this is ridiculous, but I will say that when I was getting an art degree, this sort of thing was discussed heavily. And when I worked in marketing, we charged clients a lot to have these sorts of discussions. | /r/MensRights | 09/04/13 07:37 PM |
| 1 | Keep seeing this picture on Facebook - Female = Successful - Male = Unsuccessful?That's what misandry looks like. Why was the choice made to depict a man and a woman? Other options include: two women, two men, two genderless illlustrations. If a man had been chosen to represent the successful person, and a woman chosen for the unsuccessful person, we'd call it misogyny. And if you want to claim that the "successful" and "unsuccessful" traits are gendered, you better be prepared to back that claim with a lot of proof, because THAT is otherwise extremely sexist. | /r/MensRights | 09/04/13 07:34 PM |
| 2 | Does anyone else believe in mens right issues, but has a hard time identifying as a MRA?Nobody likes to be vulnerable to attack, or associate with unpopular ideas. But sometimes unpopular ideas are not wrong, and will be ignored until enough people have the courage to endorse them. I'd prefer non-feminists not endorse feminism because of specific, valid reasons, not because they were more concerned with being seen as pleasant and agreeable. I think that when you find a cause or idea that you agree with, and feel that its' advocates are perceived in a negative light, then the brave … | /r/MensRights | 09/04/13 07:26 PM |
| 4 | Masculism is the new feminism. And it's not a backlash. It's egalitarian progress.I agree with you. My primary response to that jezebel article everyone keeps repeating is: "fuck off, men should be allowed to articulate their experience, they don't need feminist approval, and because feminism has been advancing theories for 50 years about the way men and women interact, when men go through the same exercise, they are going to end up discussing feminism a fair amount. Deal with it, and stop being such a hypocrite". But: I do think this terminology issue is a little important, … | /r/MensRights | 09/04/13 06:27 PM |
| 2 | What on Earth is r/TheRedPill?ah fair enough | /r/MensRights | 09/04/13 05:12 PM |
| 1 | What on Earth is r/TheRedPill?Er, I don't know if that is a fair characterization of evo psych. I find evo psych interesting because it articulates the the irrational pressures that a rational mind should be aware of, and is useful in understanding biases that will most likely be present. | /r/MensRights | 09/04/13 04:39 PM |
| 4 | Perhaps some of the vitriol at the University of Toronto was misplaced career rage: "There are no academic jobs and getting a Ph.D. will make you into a horrible person: A jeremiad."Patriarchy hurts literary phd candidates too. | /r/MensRights | 09/04/13 03:33 AM |
| 1 | I keep trying to find a good text that debunks patriarchy but I have keep getting stuck on one issue...As a quick follow-up, don't fall into the trap of thinking that in order to disprove a theory, you have to provide a better one. To disprove a theory, all that is required is that you demonstrate that the theory is inconsistent with the results. Finding a better theory is a good follow-up exercise, but patriarchy theory as I have described it is obviously unable to describe our social reality. | /r/MensRights | 08/04/13 07:44 PM |
| 7 | I keep trying to find a good text that debunks patriarchy but I have keep getting stuck on one issue...The issue with patriarchy theory isn't necessarily in the phenomena it attempts to address, it is that the explanation it provides doesn't accommodate other phenomena. We can't get a canonical definition, so usually just assume that the patriarchy is a system of laws and rules made by men to benefit men at the expense of women. Except that THAT explanation doesn't really account for the glass cellar, or the measured lack of in-group preference in men, or the fact that these primarily white men r… | /r/MensRights | 08/04/13 07:30 PM |
| 3 | A former camp-counselor of mine wrote this, an article about 'Benevolent Sexism.' I have a huge problem with the article. What does MensRights think?She's right to label it sexist. She's wrong to feel that the guy is oppressing her. What happens here is that the man is conforming to a social rule that doesn't make sense. The guy has learned that his worth hinges on his ability to provide, and he is trying to demonstrate that ability. Men are also so accustomed to mixed messages that they don't know whether to view an offer to pay your half as sincere, or a polite formality where it would be rude to accept. And if you do accept, will there be… | /r/MensRights | 08/04/13 06:26 PM |
| 1 | In evidence that a stopped clock is right twice a day, Amanda Marcotte writes a decent piece on the female fantasy for "taming" bad boys.I dunno, I thought the basic premise of the article was obvious, and that the incidental propositions that were slipped in were pretty odious. But there’s a dark side to this fantasy, where the “badness” that is tamed is not just womanizing or smoking pot all day, but in fact abusiveness. So it's ok to view a relationship as not a partnership with someone you like, but a situation in which you "tame" an otherwise offensive person so long as abusiveness is not involved? I hope you like that rolli… | /r/MensRights | 08/04/13 05:46 PM |
| 2 | "Studio Brule" excellent coverage of protest at U of Toronto's equality event"these MRAs are infiltrating our town halls" Does this mean that people attending these meetings are from elsewhere, or that if you are an MRA, you aren't part of the town? | /r/MensRights | 08/04/13 06:58 AM |
| 3 | Old Man here.Wow, an appeal to authority in its platonic form. | /r/MensRights | 08/04/13 06:45 AM |
| 22 | When I was 16, I was denied a spot in homeless shelters with my family due to being a "man".A thread discussing this | /r/MensRights | 08/04/13 06:21 AM |
| 6 | In Regards to Feminist Hate...you're right, good correction. | /r/MensRights | 08/04/13 06:00 AM |
| 1 | I made an edit of a popular xkcd comic that I think better encapsulates accusations of misogyny.I'm done replying in this subreddit. Nobody's convincing anyone of anything, and both of us are wasting our time. I'm sorry to hear that, initially you came off as a skeptic that believed in discourse, who had a scientific mind: someone who believed that propositions that could not be defended should be re-evaluated for their merit. Oh, so MRM isn't ostensibly about creating a society based on the idea of gender equality? sigh yes, in broad terms. When you said "when the legal system treats wome… | /r/MensRights | 08/04/13 05:30 AM |
| 15 | In Regards to Feminist Hate...Yup. Refactoring feminism would be preferable to complete and total dismantlement of it. But I do think that the rot is incredibly deep. Here's a good essay by Feminist Camille Paglia on some of the ways that gender studies might be improved as an academic discipline. In conclusion, my proposals for reform are as follows. First of all, science must be made a fundamental component of all women’s or gender studies programs. Second, every such program must be assessed by qualified faculty (not admi… | /r/MensRights | 08/04/13 04:15 AM |
| 9 | In Regards to Feminist Hate...I totally agree that there are still many women's issues, but part of the problem is that I see feminism as being a significant contributor. Philosophies like kyriarchy set up a philosophical model where disempowerment == empowerment. Many of the feMRAs will talk at length about how feminism encourages an inner damsel, and how freeing themselves from that is similar to men having to free themselves from their inner white knight. | /r/MensRights | 08/04/13 03:58 AM |
| 30 | In Regards to Feminist Hate...Ah, ok- so here are a few clarifications and addendums that might change things a bit. That all Feminists deny men's rights issues, and actively speak out against them. no. most of us recognize that a lot of self-described feminists are people who endorse the dictionary definition of feminism and think no further than that. Unfortunately, this endorsement of feminism often includes monetary support of feminist lobbying groups (for example the National Organization of Women) who then go on to use… | /r/MensRights | 08/04/13 03:49 AM |
| 31 | When I was 16, I was denied a spot in homeless shelters with my family due to being a "man".Eh, it's not worth getting into, since aardvarkious at least acknowledges that there should be men's shelters to accommodate men. The point I was really shooting for was to point out that the majority of child abuse and sexual assault to minors is perpetrated by women. Children are no safer in the presence of women than they are in the presence of men. | /r/MensRights | 08/04/13 03:37 AM |
| 14 | When I was 16, I was denied a spot in homeless shelters with my family due to being a "man".why does communal sleeping enter into it? | /r/MensRights | 08/04/13 02:56 AM |
| 16 | In Regards to Feminist Hate...Just to demonstrate that you understand the antifeminist point of view, would you mind articulating a few of the more common critiques of it? | /r/MensRights | 08/04/13 02:52 AM |
| 1 | The Irony Is TremendousWhat AVFM does is what AVFM does (and not something I am personally against when we're talking about what went down with the warren farrell presentation, especially in the case of vanja krajina)- we're only mentioning it because it is against THIS SUB's policies. | /r/MensRights | 08/04/13 02:29 AM |
| 4 | "Studio Brule" excellent coverage of protest at U of Toronto's equality eventAnother great video. | /r/MensRights | 08/04/13 02:25 AM |
| 2 | Sunday Sinner Guest Post: Feminism and Free Speech, the American Way.Very good opinion piece (relevant to several of my interests!) I hadn't heard of the 1982 barnard conference on sexuality before. Also, very good video on what free speech is and isn't, with bonus points for good music. | /r/MensRights | 08/04/13 02:16 AM |
| 2 | The Irony Is TremendousThe amount of personal information revealed there is enough to doxx. I don't know if it violates this sub's no doxxing policy, but it skates pretty close. Ideally the username and profession would be obscured. The irony IS tremendous though. | /r/MensRights | 08/04/13 01:55 AM |
| 6 | I made an edit of a popular xkcd comic that I think better encapsulates accusations of misogyny.Sigh. Okay, so you're arguing that men and women are inherently different, with general disparities in habits and capabilities er, no. I'm arguing that in aggregate men and women have different interests. In aggregate. And actually, I am arguing that there are studies that seem to indicate that, and that gender being an actual thing would also support other phenomena like gender dysphoria actually existing. I haven't seen any rigorous studies that support the notion that gender is entirely socia… | /r/MensRights | 08/04/13 12:52 AM |
| 0 | The Men’s Rights Subreddit: A net exporter of hateI'd propose actually looking at the profiles of those users to see what their karma score is on /r/mensrights (hint: nonexistent for two of the three, the third of which had overall comment karma in the low hundreds). Then I'd ask whether this story was, as labeled, an example of hypergamy and privilege. Why does /r/mensrights discuss women behaving badly? I'll quote ignatiusloyola from a recent meta conversation I think this is needed, still. Every single case ends up also being an instance of … | /r/MensRights | 07/04/13 08:40 PM |
| 19 | I made an edit of a popular xkcd comic that I think better encapsulates accusations of misogyny.Do you think that people are arguing that STEM-loving and capable women don't exist, or that people are arguing that a smaller percentage of women are interested in STEM than the percentage of men interested in it? I think you might be confusing "hey, men, on aggregate, may be different than women, on aggregate" with "hur hur, wimminz is stupid". Nobody is proposing the absolute that your evidence would disprove. | /r/MensRights | 07/04/13 07:57 PM |
| 12 | I made an edit of a popular xkcd comic that I think better encapsulates accusations of misogyny.Okay, and you have proof this interest disparity is inherent in them, and not socially imprinted -- how? Note: this is not a claim of proof, merely data that would support his theory. First you could start with a comprehensive study that showed that men and women had, on aggregate, different interests, and that these spanned across 53 nations, indicating that if it were social imprinting, than every nation studied had the same imprinting. Then: you could look at another study that demonstrates t… | /r/MensRights | 07/04/13 07:49 PM |
| 2 | Doing a research paper, Would like some comprehensive sources.what is the topic of your paper? | /r/MensRights | 07/04/13 06:48 PM |
| 3 | Is Feminism misunderstood by the MRM, and vice versa?I see the radical feminists that make themselves known in public are somewhat like the Westboro baptist church. That would be true if the criticism was aimed exclusively at outlets like radfemhub and femonade. But I think most MRAs recognize that those are edge case nutjobs, and are inevitable. For instance, if someone brings up femitheist, most of us just roll our eyes and ask to move on. However, there are bigger issues: for instance, the National Organization of Women lobbying against default… | /r/MensRights | 07/04/13 06:45 PM |
| 2 | Where is the middle ground?the only reason the MRM exists is solely because feminism I completely disagree. This video goes into detail on how traditionalism is just as bad, and simply lacks the social currency currently enjoyed by feminism. | /r/MensRights | 07/04/13 06:27 PM |
| 3 | Looking into the mirror of the ridiculous - Atheist Experience [rape discussion]Ah, thanks for the clarification. It's funny- I'm having a Baader-Meihnof Morning on the subject of trolls idiots and the view that they are representative of a populace. Also, I'm embarassed to admit that I didn't even see the parallel to women refusing to admit men could be raped until you pointed it out. | /r/MensRights | 07/04/13 06:19 PM |
| 4 | Looking into the mirror of the ridiculous - Atheist Experience [rape discussion]Are you saying that the caller here is presenting the MRM's view of rape and women? Let me echo the host's challenge: "can you prove this?" This video is excellent in demonstrating how embarassing it is one someone makes outlandish claims that don't hold up to any scrutiny. I'd hope that you weren't posting this video out of the same ignorance that the caller demonstrates. BTW: I love the calm, rational composure that the host on the right maintained through the discussion. I love skeptics. | /r/MensRights | 07/04/13 06:08 PM |
| 8 | Brief case study on Feminist hypocrisy: "Jezebel" doesn't represent Feminism, except for when it does.I agree, the test of whether someone or something represents a movement is how frequently an idea originating with that person or platform gets repeated/reposted by other people claiming to be members of that community. By this metric, AVFM can be said to represent the MRM, and Jezebel can be said to represent feminism. By the same metric, trolls on youtube videos can be identified as trolls. | /r/MensRights | 07/04/13 05:41 PM |
| 1 | Hello everyone quick question on a statistics im trying to findYour classmate was probably referring to this study which showed that academic science faculty percieved a resume as stronger when it had a male name, and that this trend wasn't affected by whether the person reviewing the resume was male or female. | /r/MensRights | 07/04/13 05:31 PM |
| 1 | History Repeats: The Feminist Protest at the University of TorontoWait, so her claim is that the law was broken by posting a video of a protester, at a protest, trying to make a speech and yelling at everyone to shut the fuck up? It's weird- the atheist+ movement has the same blind spot this woman does regarding trolls- they assume that they are the only ones who ever get trolled, and have no understanding that trolls will say whatever it is that they think is most likely to get your goat. Will trolls disappear once "the patriarchy is finally smashed"? | /r/MensRights | 07/04/13 05:14 PM |
| 10 | Something I noticed that kind of depressed me..this is why women should rule the world and men should just listen to us, there would be peace and we would all be happy. They're totally right (/s). I mean, just look at the precedents set by Indira Gandhi, Golda Meir, and Margaret Thatcher. Peacenicks, all. And it's not like men hesitant to throw themselves into the horrible maw of an insatiable war have ever received anything but support from women. | /r/MensRights | 07/04/13 05:24 AM |
| 31 | No Homeless Shelters for MenIt's not for lack of demand. The majority of the homeless are single men. The best explanation I can give you is that they are not viewed as important, or vulnerable. People simply do not care enough to extend them aid. Here's a pretty good primer video about why we think that is | /r/MensRights | 07/04/13 02:23 AM |
| 3 | Any love for Judith Butler here?I also think that the danger in viewing gender as something entirely constructed- as a basis for equality- is that the theory of gender being a social construct leads to an expectation of equal results. When, for instance, gender is an influencer on INTEREST, then a search for equal results can lead to inequal opportunity. | /r/MensRights | 07/04/13 01:14 AM |
| 2 | History Repeats: The Feminist Protest at the University of Torontowhich video is that a link to? | /r/MensRights | 07/04/13 12:00 AM |
| 2 | Any love for Judith Butler here?Understanding gender roles that way may be useful, but if you want to view gender as a social construct, you at least need to explain studies that show that gender is a significant indicator of what a person's interests are, regardless of what culture they are from, and that there are gendered differences in behavior that are observable during as early as the first days of infancy, before any meaningful influence of society could have occurrred. The problem I have with a lot of these attempts to… | /r/MensRights | 06/04/13 11:51 PM |
| 0 | I'm not sure about other things going on with Joe Rogan, but this is why a lot of people (myself, a man, included) are pissed at him lately - he thinks that women are defective / stupid if they don'tThat hasn't been my experience. Although I have certainly noted your tendency to put words in peoples mouths to justify your sense of oppression. Please show me where I am backtracking. Where have I said "you should have kids", only to try to spin it. For that matter, show me where I have seemed concerned about pissing you off. Previously you complained because: Not one of you have provided a logical reason for why having children (other than because SOME people have to have kids or the race die… | /r/MensRights | 06/04/13 11:28 PM |
| 0 | I'm not sure about other things going on with Joe Rogan, but this is why a lot of people (myself, a man, included) are pissed at him lately - he thinks that women are defective / stupid if they don'tmaybe you ought to go to the quote that offends you, and diff it against the quote you think you read. You might note a difference that completely invalidates your interpretation of what was said. I said "anyone that doesn't LIKE kids is a little dead inside". Like != want. This is a distinction that seems to elude you, and cause you much personal pain. Then you might consider getting off your high horse about reading skills. | /r/MensRights | 06/04/13 10:31 PM |
| 1 | I'm not sure about other things going on with Joe Rogan, but this is why a lot of people (myself, a man, included) are pissed at him lately - he thinks that women are defective / stupid if they don'tHumorously, if you actually read the quote, you'll see that he has done a little rephrasing. I said "anyone who doesn't like kids is a little dead inside. He just seems to be have some mental disorder that replaces "like" with "have" whenever he encounters it. And, what's really funny is that of all people, I support his right not to have kids. I chose not to myself, even though he really likes to call me a breeder. He certainly does seem to be fulfilling the stereotype of a "hateful twat" thoug… | /r/MensRights | 06/04/13 10:13 PM |
| 5 | "Radical feminism is a danger to women". From the insufferable intolerance blogI think she also deserves credit for acknowledging the paradox of trying to be inclusive of the transgendered while maintaining that gender is a social construct. I still think it is weird how even she ignores all the studies demonstrating that gender is measurable in infant behavior, and still clings to this idea that gender should be described rather than observed- but at least she sees the problem with claiming that gender doesn't really exist while also trying to legitimize trans individuals… | /r/MensRights | 06/04/13 09:52 PM |
| 5 | What a week - CAFE, AVfM, NCFM, media coverage, more feminists abusing and disrespecting us on camera, mens groups on campus ...I know. Their attempts to characterize MRAs in this way is baseless. I imagine that my own record collection, personal library, and list of charitable donations have a lot more in common with that of the protesters than- say- Rush Limbaugh. When I was a teenager I used to get in fights with nazi skinheads trying to keep gay and minority kids out of punk rock shows. I've acted as an escort at planned parenthood, protecting people from zealous activists that tried to bar them from entry. I volunte… | /r/MensRights | 06/04/13 08:52 PM |
| 13 | What a week - CAFE, AVfM, NCFM, media coverage, more feminists abusing and disrespecting us on camera, mens groups on campus ...This. A friend of mine teaches gender studies at a university, and in one of those "shit people post to facebook" moments earlier this week, someone commented on one of his posts: Women would rather abort there own children in obedience to a man's wishes, than have them. Women would rather beat there own children, in obedience to a man's wishes, than be thought of as too soft on them. Women would rather BE BEATEN than seen as rebellious against men. Society rewards them for these things, and pun… | /r/MensRights | 06/04/13 08:31 PM |
| 9 | What a week - CAFE, AVfM, NCFM, media coverage, more feminists abusing and disrespecting us on camera, mens groups on campus ...The Farrell lecture, the fiamengo lecture, and this latest event with Young & Nathanson were all CAFE organized, and I believe the same organizations have organized the protests. | /r/MensRights | 06/04/13 08:23 PM |
| 9 | What a week - CAFE, AVfM, NCFM, media coverage, more feminists abusing and disrespecting us on camera, mens groups on campus ...I've been noticing that too. Studies on in-group bias between genders should never be absent from a discussion of patriarchy. | /r/MensRights | 06/04/13 08:19 PM |
| 5 | What a week - CAFE, AVfM, NCFM, media coverage, more feminists abusing and disrespecting us on camera, mens groups on campus ...oh absolutely. Really working on issues is next to impossible from a premise of patriarchy theory, and a reluctance to "throw a feminist under the bus" when that feminist works against mens issues. | /r/MensRights | 06/04/13 06:27 PM |
| 7 | Proper response when a feminist tries to coop men's issues - "These are things that we agree on", etc.I'd just respond with [citation needed], and ask what they are doing about the prominent feminist lobbyist groups that are working against men's issues Talk is cheap. Especially when it is enables denial. | /r/MensRights | 06/04/13 06:20 PM |
| 16 | What a week - CAFE, AVfM, NCFM, media coverage, more feminists abusing and disrespecting us on camera, mens groups on campus ...I think there will continue to be a full court push to claim that feminism is about MRM issues, and that the MRM is full of illegal immigrant hating, homophobic, redneck neo nazis. Yesterday, we saw an article published by a feminist that criticized the media portrayal of the bumbling dad. This is one of the very rare instances of feminists ACTUALLY "working on it", rather than simply claiming that they are working on it and that we should shut the fuck up. I think that where actual work is done… | /r/MensRights | 06/04/13 06:08 PM |
| 1 | I'm not sure about other things going on with Joe Rogan, but this is why a lot of people (myself, a man, included) are pissed at him lately - he thinks that women are defective / stupid if they don'tYou deserve a good mocking. You're claiming to have ESP into what Rogan is thinking here, which allows you to know which things he said he meant. That somehow, Joe Rogan is "backtracking", because... why? He's afraid of saying something that pisses people off? This is Joe Rogan we're talking about, right? Then you start swearing up and down going on about how horrible kids are, and how stupid I must be for referring to a instinctual bias so basic that that we even respond to it in species beyond… | /r/MensRights | 06/04/13 09:00 AM |
| 1 | I'm not sure about other things going on with Joe Rogan, but this is why a lot of people (myself, a man, included) are pissed at him lately - he thinks that women are defective / stupid if they don'tOh right. Backtracking. In regards to my point. It's called neoteny. I'd point out the distinction between liking other peoples kids and wanting some of your own, but that'd probably be (duh duh duuuhhh!) backtracking! But congratulations. You've convinced me that the people attacking Joe Rogan are sanctimonious bullies. | /r/MensRights | 06/04/13 07:58 AM |
| 1 | I'm not sure about other things going on with Joe Rogan, but this is why a lot of people (myself, a man, included) are pissed at him lately - he thinks that women are defective / stupid if they don'tWait, in your screenshot he says: To clarify- there's nothing wrong with not WANTING children, but if you don't LIKE children you're most likely a hateful twat That's... not what you're claiming he says in your subject. Personally, I don't know why he needs to qualify it as women only- kids are awesome, and we have all kinds of biological programming to like them. If you don't like them- you're a little dead inside. | /r/MensRights | 06/04/13 07:14 AM |
| 1 | Looking for an MRA responseSo male privilege means that men have to accept what they are told at face value without being engaged in dialog? THAT is equality? What you're describing sounds like a fear that she will double down on the threat narrative, and the counterarguments you fear are just ad-hominem. I'd insist that women are capable of meeting the same standards of discourse that men are held to, and that her request for special consideration ought to be considered anti-feminist. In regards to the devil's advocate p… | /r/MensRights | 06/04/13 06:07 AM |
| 2 | Feminist realizes she's losing argument, talks over man and tells him to "shut the fuck up" (from cringe)I agree, but the fact that feminists so overwhelmingly feel a need to have an official response is highly encouraging. | /r/MensRights | 06/04/13 05:00 AM |
| 2 | "A million ex parte restraining orders in divorces per year. Where men are literally just removed from their homes, removed from their children, removed from their income, forced to pay for her lawyer[Possibly this document, although the number provided here is an estimated 900,000] (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CDUQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.saveservices.org%2Fdownloads%2FVAWA-Restraining-Orders&ei=NKlfUbHYGaX7iwLnwoCYDA&usg=AFQjCNGzfqKjQGSyFZMBZSH2tjXOXuvdeQ&sig2=ar9IglwrnT_sMNxIzj1Eyw&bvm=bv.44770516,d.cGE). This document was authored in 2011. One analysis compiled data on final restraining orders (mostly in 2002) from 29 state court systems, and fou… | /r/MensRights | 06/04/13 04:56 AM |
| 3 | Did the lecture “From Misogyny and Misandry to Intersexual Dialogue” actually get recorded anywhere?It took place last night- I'm sure they'll be editing, cleaning up sound, etc... and get a video out in a few days. | /r/MensRights | 06/04/13 01:38 AM |
| 2 | Apparently MRA's are just like the KKKI thought about posting a polite reply, respectfully dismantling their strawman, but I decided that their rhetoric and behavior didn't warrant trusting them with my email address and ip number. The MRM platform is concisely stated at http://www.avoiceformen.com/mens-rights/mens-rights-march-2013-internet-statement/ They can go ahead and claim that it stands for something else, but that's a projection on their part. When I tell someone that I am a MRA, I am telling them that those are views I agr… | /r/MensRights | 06/04/13 01:35 AM |
| 3 | Mainstream paper takes up the fight against the "dumb dad" stereotype in advertisingCredit where it is due, this is a good article, although I would have been interested in a citation with the alleged gross inequality of domestic and childcare work (especially if it included hours in the office, because earning money is family work). | /r/MensRights | 06/04/13 12:47 AM |
| 1 | Feminist realizes she's losing argument, talks over man and tells him to "shut the fuck up" (from cringe)The way that list spread like wildfire is really interesting, it's only regrettable that none of the legitimate criticism of that list followed. | /r/MensRights | 06/04/13 12:40 AM |
| 4 | Feminist realizes she's losing argument, talks over man and tells him to "shut the fuck up" (from cringe)It's because talk is cheap, feminist lobbyists aren't reading from that list, and also working from a premise of patriarchy is starting off with a misapprehension that is often interpreted misandristically. This list is actually from a recent jezebel article, and this was my response to that. | /r/MensRights | 06/04/13 12:39 AM |
| 3 | Men should have the right to give women safety advice without being called "victim-blamers". I am working on an argument against "victim-blaming". Any help that you can provide, will be greatly apprecI think what you are really trying to do is articulate the difference between victim blaming and victim facilitation. The point I think you are trying to make is that in regards to other crimes, we live in a constant state of risk assessment and mitigation, and that the danger of attacking victim blaming is that it might hamper the development of risk assessment/mitigation facilities. But the proposition that excusing the victim hampers critical risk avoidance skill development isn't one I've se… | /r/MensRights | 05/04/13 07:16 PM |
| 5 | [Meta] I've seen themed weeks/months on other reddits, would anyone be up for a "No talking about feminism" week?Not really, because I'd view such an activity as a shaming tactic against antifeminists. There are other ways you might approach such a goal, such as "focus on traditionalism week", "history week", "evo psych week", "focus on social constructivism week" etc... These are all ideas I might be interested in. But a prohibition on criticism of feminism just accommodates those who are uncomfortable with feminism being criticized because it has been enshrined as something sacred. | /r/MensRights | 05/04/13 05:54 PM |
| 2 | The World in Binary - Men vs WomenThank you for a being a voice of reason. Also: thank you for your books- I'm a fan. | /r/MensRights | 05/04/13 09:56 AM |
| 2 | How do you think children would feel about their biological fathers if men were allowed to "opt out" of being a parent?I don't think that logically follows. It would if we were arguing that the father had the right to sue for sole custody because he wanted the unplanned child to himself. A better analogy would be that if the father did not want her to abort a fetus, and she claimed the right to do so anway, because she had offered sex, not motherhood. This is already the way things are. (and I stand by her right to do so) | /r/MensRights | 05/04/13 09:13 AM |
| 2 | Author says MRAs justify using gulags! (I found this on r/communism)Ad-hominem is a logical fallacy that means "attack the man" rather than the argument. Yes, most of us on the internet know what it means. His response to AVFM was ad-hominem: he presents their criticisms, then attacks AVFM rather than addressing their criticisms (edit: I was tired when I wrote this- I've reread the article and retract the accusation). But you are right, his characterization of the entire MRM platform is a giant strawman. I didn't bother with a refutation because, frankly, I didn… | /r/MensRights | 05/04/13 08:55 AM |
| 3 | Looking for an MRA responseI should clarify that she is probably unaware that this is what she is doing. It's just an effective rhetorical tactic that discourages others from questioning your assertions, and lets you preach your ideas unchallenged. I'd point out the tactic, tell her that it interferes with discourse, and ask her to choose between ideology or philosophy. Idealogues preach and shame dissent. Philosophers argue propositions in search of truth. | /r/MensRights | 05/04/13 06:19 AM |
| 2 | Looking for an MRA responseThe author doesn't want to consider that she is wrong. She also doesn't want others to consider that she is wrong. So she is putting forth the appearance of being well meaning and helpless to make those who question her ideas appear malicious, insensitive, cruel, and wrong. She increases the idea of of the target's agency by describing their competence and urge to examine her ideas. She increases the perception of the target's intent to do bad by claiming that they are having fun picking apart h… | /r/MensRights | 05/04/13 06:00 AM |
| 3 | Men's Rights necessarily always opposed to feminist principles?Do you have any substantiation that feminists are working on male genital mutilation in a meaningful way? | /r/MensRights | 05/04/13 05:27 AM |
| 4 | Author says MRAs justify using gulags! (I found this on r/communism)I'm not a conservative, but you know who I really save my political bile for? Authoritarians. Like this guy. I'm sick of little authoritarians like this guy having the gall to compare ME to a neo-nazi. Who's the one advocating putting people in camps? On the other hand, what makes me happy is that this guy is basically throwing a temper tantrum because our message is getting through, it makes sense, and he can't stop people from considering what we have to say. And since he isn't refuting a damn… | /r/MensRights | 05/04/13 03:47 AM |
| 9 | Looking for an MRA responseI refer them to the concept of a threat narrative and tell them that philosophy involves defending an argument. Trying to set up men as "intellectual, clever, and engaged" and herself as too vulnerable to actually defend her idea just sets her up as a victim beset by unreasonable aggressors, when SHE made the proposition, and all these "clever, intellectual men" are doing is evaluating the idea for value. The fact that she is emotionally attached to her proposition does not grant it validity. It… | /r/MensRights | 05/04/13 03:15 AM |
| 38 | NCFM sues selective service for requiring only men to register for the draftholy. shit. They actually did it. I'm proud to be a member of the NCFM. | /r/MensRights | 04/04/13 09:01 PM |
| 1 | Discussion time:Which aspects of the MRM are you most passionate about, and what things about the movement do you think are holding us back?Unfortunately, the status of feminism as an ideology rather than a philosophy isn't just some side-issue. Gynocentrism is at the heart of male disposability. In time, specific criticisms rather than generalities will prevail, but the challenging of ideas with a lot of social currency is unavoidable. | /r/MensRights | 04/04/13 08:38 PM |
| 1 | Discussion time:Which aspects of the MRM are you most passionate about, and what things about the movement do you think are holding us back?Most of the issues I am personally affected by are rooted in concern for the sons of my friends that I see growing up hopeless and depressed. So issues of paternal rights (some of my friends have had a horrible battle to stay in their sons' lives), and education reform to accommodate boys are at the top of my list. This doesn't mean that I don't care about issues like domestic violence- just that it doesn't affect me personally. I don't think anything is holding us back other than it takes a whi… | /r/MensRights | 04/04/13 08:32 PM |
| 1 | What does equal rights mean to you personally?Also, I think that a difference in in-group bias between men and women makes it very easy for women to project an in-group bias on men, which accounts for why patriarchy theory seems so intuitive to a lot of women feminists. | /r/MensRights | 04/04/13 08:20 PM |
| 1 | What does equal rights mean to you personally?I think that there is a premise of gender as a social construct that provides the foundation for much of feminist philosophy that accounts for some of the difference you note. When you think that all people are basically blank slates that are imprinted on by society, then unequal result can only be explained by unequal opportunity. This philosophy had a lot of academic currency in the seventies, when feminism as an academic discipline was establishing itself. However, it doesn't have a lot of ac… | /r/MensRights | 04/04/13 08:18 PM |
| 18 | Men's Rights necessarily always opposed to feminist principles?I think most of us realize that a good deal of people calling themselves feminists are egalitarians at heart- they like men, and just feel that "feminism" is synonymous with "fair and just". It's just that we don't think those people are important- it's the lobbyists, activists, and scholars that influence our world, and the influence of many of those groups and individuals has not been good. A lot of the "good feminists" still uncritically throw money at the National Organization for Women, wit… | /r/MensRights | 04/04/13 08:00 PM |
| 5 | Why female circumcision and male circumcision aren't equivalent, and presenting as such makes us look like knee jerk feministsThe genitalia in question are different, and analogies are going to be neccessarily of limited use. I don't have a clitoral hood (or a foreskin for that matter), but type I fgm sounds analogous to male circumcision. I'll agree that types II-IV are much more extreme. If male circumcision were simply an unnecessary medical procedure, then no activism would be required- people would just stop doing it. But it is clearly enshrined in religious and cultural ideology, which is why there is such ardent… | /r/MensRights | 04/04/13 05:14 PM |
| 2 | Not real, wimp and can't get laid style shaming and innuendo being employed against the chivalrous, chest beating male feminists of Toronto protests, thoughts?What are the substantitations for patriarchy theory (assuming we can finally get a canonical definition of wtf patriarchy theory is)? Apexuality explains the glass cellar, and that alone puts it ahead of patriarchy theory in it's ability to accurately explain societal phenomena. It also accounts for studies like this that demonstrate that men do not have a particularly strong in-group bias, whereas women do (which should be troubling, because the system described by patriarchy theory might be wh… | /r/MensRights | 04/04/13 02:17 PM |
| 13 | dear Men's rights I am a female college student who is trying to make a speech educating students about rape any help?I hope you don't take this the wrong way but with the culture many college students go around committing acts they don't know may be rape. I don't disagree. This is exactly what happened when I was raped in college. A girl I barely knew just assumed that entering my room and starting to have sex with me while I was asleep was ok. I'd be extremely surprised to hear that she ever even considered that what she was doing was rapey, and that my consent wasn't a foregone conclusion. If you include a d… | /r/MensRights | 03/04/13 10:20 PM |
| 4 | Donglegate vs VaginagateThis really is a very good comparison. Also: I'm very happy to see oneirosgrip writing outside of just reddit and her own blog. | /r/MensRights | 03/04/13 09:46 PM |
| 1 | I'm wondering with /r/MR thinks about this article about turning misandry into a self-fulfilling prophecy that tries to draw a line between a systemic disadvantages and personal misfortuneLinks to gawker are against this sub's policies. But it has already been discussed here, if you are curious | /r/MensRights | 03/04/13 08:53 PM |
| 1 | What do feminists have that is equivalent to register-her.com?Let's not forget Lulu | /r/MensRights | 03/04/13 08:17 PM |
| 2 | Nature Magazine dispenses with scientific rigor in order to prove an ideological point.I'm actually all for articles like this being exposed to peer review. Unfortunately, I don't have a means of reading the study without spending $18. | /r/MensRights | 03/04/13 07:41 PM |
| 3 | Not real, wimp and can't get laid style shaming and innuendo being employed against the chivalrous, chest beating male feminists of Toronto protests, thoughts?Yeah, I actually think the article starts off decently enough, but when it gets to this part: Oh. Wait a minute! Now I get it. Hah! You Guys! This really is all about the pussy, isn’t it? It makes a serious wrong turn. Not the least in that it assumes that male feminists don't get laid. No matter what the author thinks about "game", I can tell you from my own days in college that male feminists are not sex-starved losers stuck in a friend zone. At least not male feminists embodying apexuality. L… | /r/MensRights | 03/04/13 07:11 PM |
| 10 | Not real, wimp and can't get laid style shaming and innuendo being employed against the chivalrous, chest beating male feminists of Toronto protests, thoughts?Typhon Blue's description of apexuality explains these men perfectly. The Apexual identifies not with the similarities it shares with other male-bodied individuals but in how distinct from other male-bodied individuals it can make itself. Funnily enough, apexuality addresses the phenomena explained by patriarchy theory more accurately than patriarchy theory does. These men are exhibiting the behavior that feminists are so outraged about. | /r/MensRights | 03/04/13 06:23 PM |
| 2 | I can't be the only one who has brought this idea up, male genocide as a means of evolutionary imperative?This is science fiction. Natural selection hasn't dictated that men have "outlived their usefulness"- the world is full to bursting with useful men. If we want to speculate about parthenogenesis, then we might as well speculate about artificial wombs. If you really want to get worked up about gendercide- I'd focus more on radfemhub than femitheist. But at the same time, I'd worry more about the aryan brotherhood eliminating the "racially impure". Worrying about radfemhub committing gendercide as… | /r/MensRights | 03/04/13 05:56 PM |
| 3 | Study: Men more likely than women to be depressed over childlessnessZedikus makes a really good point that this is not statistically significant. It's possible that there IS a social misconception, stemming from the biological clock that women are on compared to men (a 40 year old man can easily have children, a 40 year old woman faces issues with her own health and the prospective health of children she might have). | /r/MensRights | 03/04/13 05:46 PM |
| 2 | Study: Men more likely than women to be depressed over childlessnessyeah- if anything, it's preliminary information that could be used to justify a formal study. | /r/MensRights | 03/04/13 05:43 PM |
| 13 | Is it possible to be an MRA and a liberal at the same time?Most of us try to keep mensrights nonpartisan (which is why I am not going to go into a more detailed response). It probably also depends how you define "firm liberal". Fiscal, social, this kind of liberal? | /r/MensRights | 02/04/13 11:46 PM |
| 12 | How do you think children would feel about their biological fathers if men were allowed to "opt out" of being a parent?Let me start off by pointing out that a man who is not ready to be a father is a human being, and as valuable as the theoretical child in this case. Generally we recognize that not being a parent before you are ready is not good- this is a significant argument used in abortion debates. Then, let me address something else: I'm more concerned with finding additional forms of male birth control to make sure that unwanted pregnancies are less frequent. Unwanted pregnancy is a no-win situation, in wh… | /r/MensRights | 02/04/13 08:23 PM |
| 6 | Is there a place for men in feminism?Feminists will frequently claim that there is room for men in feminism. But feminist lobbyists such as NOW will often lobby for policy which discriminates against men (eg: campaigning against joint custody, lobbying for DV laws which presume male perpetration, campaigning for affirmative action for girls in education when boys are falling behind, etc...). Patriarchy theory has become the de-facto explanation for inequality, and anti-feminists often meet censorship and silencing when suggesting t… | /r/MensRights | 02/04/13 07:36 PM |
| 4 | Have you considered the dominance enjoyed by males across Western society throughout history? Why is it that men disproportionately achieve higher status? Does this subreddit think that the maternal hThanks, I think that a somewhat-neglected aspect of the MRM ought to be evaluating the feminist perspective of history, since it is often put forward as a rationale for misandry and anti-male policy. Canards like the "rule of thumb" go unchallenged, and provide righteous indignation which is used as fuel for hateful rhetoric. | /r/MensRights | 02/04/13 06:57 PM |
| 8 | Schools need kids who know how to be quiet and sit still, because that’s the direction schools are going in — a system inherently gamed to favor girls.It's not just dehumanizing, it is socially dangerous, and anti-democratic. Milgrim's experiments were meant to study how atrocities like the holocaust could be allowed to happen when it required so much cooperation from a theoretically moral populace. | /r/MensRights | 02/04/13 05:48 PM |
| 17 | Schools need kids who know how to be quiet and sit still, because that’s the direction schools are going in — a system inherently gamed to favor girls.There are a lot of studies cited in Christina Hoff-Sommer's book "the war against boys" that at an early age boys need more physical outlets, and that part of the issues that boys face today is that we are depriving them of the unstructured playtime that recess once offered. I think another good question is "is it bad that boys are less inherently calm or quiet than girls". There's a sort of value judgement implied in the tone of these articles that being alive in your body, and less capable of … | /r/MensRights | 02/04/13 05:39 PM |
| 1 | Females of Reddit, what visual cues indicate to you that you should avoid particular men even though you don't know them? (Crosspost : AskReddit)http://en.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/1bhsj8/femaleAgreed. Although I would probably say that visual cues are a lot less effective than behavioral/verbal cues, unless we are talking about visual cues surrounding the way that a guy interacts with his environment. Whether he wears cargo shorts is a better indication of where his fashion sense is than whether or not he is a potential batterer/rapist/kitten eater. | /r/MensRights | 02/04/13 05:26 PM |
| 5 | Have you considered the dominance enjoyed by males across Western society throughout history? Why is it that men disproportionately achieve higher status? Does this subreddit think that the maternal hHave YOU considered the lack of a women's movement before the industrial era? Rulers aside, do you think women of the peasant and middle classes wanted to switch roles with their husbands? Is it possible that being a maternal housewife was preferable to the hard and dangerous manual labor and soldier duty required of most men, and that it was only when this dynamic changed that a woman's movement was formed? There are numerous theories explaining the recent shift of the female gender role, and h… | /r/MensRights | 02/04/13 05:20 PM |
| 1 | Total Injustice : Could this be the reason the ARYAN BROTHERHOOD is killing prosecutors?No, it's not just you We stand for all boys and men. Questions of race, creed, color, nationality or sexual orientation are completely irrelevant to us. This is non-negotiable: we are a movement for the needs, well-being and interests of all men and boys everywhere, seeking no more and no less than legal equality and/or genuine equity under the law. | /r/MensRights | 01/04/13 09:49 PM |
| 0 | Two wrongs don't make a Right. Disney's potentially misandric underpinnings of Wreck it Ralph.One could argue that wreck-it ralph's act of redemption was to break free of turbo and accept plunging to his death in the volcano for the salvation of vanellope and sugar rush in general, and that this is very much the way that disposability is marketed. Not that I am overwrought by it, but this IS what disposability means- not that you have no worth, but that your worth is dictated by your capability for sacrifice. It was an interesting twist that vanellope then exposed herself to danger in or… | /r/MensRights | 01/04/13 07:43 PM |
| 1 | Atheism-Feminism/MensRights- Theism?A grossly simplified explanation is that there are atheists who are atheists because they embrace a doctrine of skepticism, and atheists who embrace atheism because they hate whatever religion they were brought up with (there are also atheists who just weren't brought up religious, but I said this was a grossly simplified explanation). The zealot atheist is happy to fight the patriarchy as an extension of battling whatever it was about their former religion that made them so angry. The skeptic s… | /r/MensRights | 31/03/13 04:28 PM |
| 3 | Two atheist videos comparing feminism to faith.I have the regrettable sense that the fact that the title mentions that these videos are by atheists insults you, given your statements about /r/atheism and "abandoning the christian religion to worship dawkins". Again, I did not put these videos up to promote atheism, I put them up because they explore a very specific aspect of feminism, and it is not surprising that skeptics would speak the most articulately about it. I'm not aware of any mensrights forum that censors and bans feminists, so I … | /r/MensRights | 31/03/13 12:21 AM |
| 8 | does it seem a little counter-productive to anyone else that so many r/feminism posts are about how horrible they think us here at r/mens rights are instead of on actual female rights problems?While I agree that /r/menrights might direct a little more of its criticism of feminism towards gynocentrism in general, which affect feminism and traditionalism, the fact is that opportunities for genuine activisim are relatively infrequent, and discussing theory and the sources of cultural attitudes and beliefs surrounding the issues that men face is a productive use of time. If you disagree with me that a great many of these attitudes and beliefs originate in, or are propagated by, feminists,… | /r/MensRights | 30/03/13 05:59 PM |
| 35 | According to Slate, the kid who asked Kate Upton to the prom is being a creep."Instead of applauding Davidson for this, adults should be appalled. All that's been taught here to young men is that theyIt's pretty hypocritical to live in a society where men are expected to initiate relationships, then characterize attempting to initiate a relationship as wrong. In fact, it's wrong to live in a society in which either sex can approach the other, and characterize attempting to initiate a relationship as wrong. What the real issue for the author is, is that the kate upton was out of the kid's league. That he dared to dream that he might be somehow worthy of the attention of a woman like kate upto… | /r/MensRights | 30/03/13 05:44 PM |
| 1 | A List of Men’s Rights Issues That Feminism Is Already Working OnYou might try explaining how evolutionary psychology, apex theory, gynocentrism, and the women are wonderful effect are all alternate theories that explain the same phenomena, then challenge him to prove that patriarchy theory is a more accurate theoretical model. | /r/MensRights | 30/03/13 05:04 PM |
| 4 | A List of Men’s Rights Issues That Feminism Is Already Working OnThe feminist borg will try to assimilate any legitimate grievance and add its' victim distinctiveness to their own. Except that in the case of men's issues, their core philosophy, views of the historical record, and their own activists make it difficult to do so. | /r/MensRights | 30/03/13 04:51 PM |
| 4 | A List of Men’s Rights Issues That Feminism Is Already Working OnHere's my response from when this was submitted yesterday Basically, if feminists want to work on those issues, more power to 'em. I hope that they'll be responsive when the MRM points out organizations and individuals within the feminist movement who aren't on the same page. I suspect that the assumption of patriarchy is going to be a big stumbling block for them, but that's their issue. The MRM will continue to provide alternate theories that explain the same phenomena. If by "feminism is alre… | /r/MensRights | 30/03/13 04:38 PM |
| 21 | I am part of a feminist organization and our next meeting (this upcoming Monday) is about MRAs and their movement.[refer to this document] (http://www.avoiceformen.com/mens-rights/mens-rights-march-2013-internet-statement/) Getting a definition of patriarchy has been a long frustrating quest for this subreddit, and the MRM in general. Until one is finally provided, I will use the suggested definition that GirlWritesWhat provided (and solicited correction for): The Patriarchy: Society is male dominated, and male dominance privileges men over women. While some men can, sometimes, be harmed by this system- the… | /r/MensRights | 30/03/13 03:40 AM |
| 6 | If I Admit That ‘Hating Men’ Is a Thing, Will You Stop Turning It Into a Self-Fulfilling Prophecy?Thanks for the kind words, but I haven't said anything new. This IS what the MRM is about. AVFM recently solicited feedback from the larger MRM community, then published a statement about the Men's Rights platform that does a better job than my post of articulating what the whole thing is about. There is going to inevitably be a fair amount of criticism of feminists. For my own part, I will try to be specific, and single out people and organizations and specific theories claiming to be feminists… | /r/MensRights | 30/03/13 02:45 AM |
| 6 | New sub aimed at Cross-Gender constructive dialogue, activism, and understanding. Help make women our allies, not our enemies.I'm sorry, but participating in your subreddit would be endorsing a view of the MRM that I don't think is at all justified. Is there a need for your subreddit that /r/egalitarianism isn't filling? Here's a quote from the introduction of The Myth of Male Power that I think is somewhat pertinent: Ultimately I am in favor of neither a women's movement, nor a men's movement, but a gender transition movement. However, I oppose skipping past a men's movement until men have equally articulated their pe… | /r/MensRights | 29/03/13 10:21 PM |
| 5 | Donglegate: Why the Tech Community Hates FeministsI work in tech too, and the women in tech we have, are some of my favorite people on earth. If the Ada Initiative aimed at somehow cloning you guys, I'd flood them with checks. One of the things that people like Adria Richards seem to think that really offends me is that - not only are there not enough women in tech, but that the women we have are the wrong women. | /r/MensRights | 29/03/13 08:29 PM |
| 5 | What's it like to walk around as a male knowing that females are likely suspicious of you simply because you're a male?What just seems crazy to me is that the logical end result, if women are this delicate, and require so much deference, is to start enforcing gender segregation ala "backwards" cultures like islam. I don't think anyone in the west wants this, and yet... | /r/MensRights | 29/03/13 08:20 PM |
| 2 | I despise the term "cis-", I want to hear other view points on this.Source- software engineer who was overexposed to PHds in lingustics when I worked at Dragon (Speech recognition software company, long ago) including one of the ones who invented Klingon. You have no idea how strong my urge to find you and get a beer together, and talk shop is. | /r/MensRights | 29/03/13 08:15 PM |
| 7 | If I Admit That ‘Hating Men’ Is a Thing, Will You Stop Turning It Into a Self-Fulfilling Prophecy?We're opposed to the phenomena that patriarchy theory attempts to explain. We disagree on the theory of patriarchy, at least as we understand it- there have been repeated requests for an articulate, indisputable, statement of WHAT the theory of patriachy is, and we've had no canonical answer yet. | /r/MensRights | 29/03/13 07:03 PM |
| 27 | If I Admit That ‘Hating Men’ Is a Thing, Will You Stop Turning It Into a Self-Fulfilling Prophecy?(edit: thank you, whoever gave me gold for this post) There are a lot of points to rebut here. Before I start though, let me just say: this article reads like a plea for men to stop articulating their concerns about gender inequality in the world, and seems to feel that feminists should be the only group allowed to do that. This is an absurd request. As the article points out- those benefitting from privilege cannot see it, and while feminism has extensively explored the shadow side of masculine… | /r/MensRights | 29/03/13 06:21 PM |
| 5 | I despise the term "cis-", I want to hear other view points on this.It really should only be used when drawing a distinction between trans-men/women and cis-men/women. Otherwise, both trans and cis men and women should be referred to as men and women. The popularity comes from either people trying to put on a show to demonstrate how inclusive they are (and I think this is actually a form of covert EXCLUSION), or when people have a worldview in which you measure people against each other by how many forms of "disempowered" you can lay claim to. So, yeah- I don't … | /r/MensRights | 29/03/13 06:44 AM |
| 8 | What's it like to walk around as a male knowing that females are likely suspicious of you simply because you're a male?They either take a look in the mirror, or think I'm a crazy person. Both are acceptable to me. I applaud this attitude. | /r/MensRights | 28/03/13 10:45 PM |
| 15 | I despise the term "cis-", I want to hear other view points on this.TLDR; I understand the need for the word, but I think that angry haters are ruining the utility of it by turning it into an insult. I definitely understand that if your only interaction with the word is in places like SRS, you could view it as pejorative. However, I will say that it is frequently used with no malice by transgendered people to describe their non-transgendered friends. As unexpecteditem says- without a term to describe non-transgendered men and women, people will often opt for ter… | /r/MensRights | 28/03/13 10:45 PM |
| 14 | What's it like to walk around as a male knowing that females are likely suspicious of you simply because you're a male?I haven't mastered the art of addressing context and nonverbal communication verbally. Most of these unwritten codes are NEVER articulated, they are only communicated through facial expressions, tone of voice, and physical behavior. All done with enough plausible deniability that you can't say if they are in your head, or actually present. It's a little embarassing to admit, but I used to second guess myself if I got a scowl from a pretty girl- had I failed to hide the fact that I thought she wa… | /r/MensRights | 28/03/13 10:31 PM |
| 48 | What's it like to walk around as a male knowing that females are likely suspicious of you simply because you're a male?The best example I can provide is the grocery store. A lot of women at grocery stores will park their cart, and casually browse the items on a rack. Sometimes for minutes. If there is something on that rack that I need- if it is too close (and by that I mean remotely near) to her, I get signals of violating some kind of social compact if I walk forward and take it off the shelf. Entering into her awareness is to be judged a prospect or a threat. I'm not open to dating right now, and this actuall… | /r/MensRights | 28/03/13 08:36 PM |
| 3 | Huffington Post Finds a New Excuse to Oppose Equal Parentingthat's a really interesting article, much better than the huffington post article it references | /r/MensRights | 28/03/13 08:19 PM |
| 67 | Gay rights are men's rights.If you mean that men's rights are gay and trans mens rights, then this is a given. Not just in this subreddit, but [at large] (http://www.avoiceformen.com/mens-rights/mens-rights-march-2013-internet-statement/) We stand for all boys and men. Questions of race, creed, color, nationality or sexual orientation are completely irrelevant to us. This is non-negotiable: we are a movement for the needs, well-being and interests of all men and boys everywhere, seeking no more and no less than legal equal… | /r/MensRights | 28/03/13 04:50 AM |
| 2 | I'm confused. Why do we think social justice sucks?rightwing/whiterights type thinking. That's a sneaky phrase. I believe the MRM should be non partisan, so left-wing and right-wing approaches are both worthy of consideration. I certainly don't lump republicans in with white supremacists (assuming that is what "white rights" is about- I really don't know). And I say this as someone who probably votes in a similar way to you. I'm not for affirmative action- not because I don't want equal opportunities, but because I think that the approach is way… | /r/MensRights | 27/03/13 10:49 PM |
| -1 | Richard Dawkins supports member of radical feminist group Femen - same group that defiled a Christian memorial for victims of communism in KievI really suggest reading "the god delusion", particularly the parts of the exemptions from critical thought demanded by faith, and consider what he writes in regard to feminism. You might think Dawkins is an asshole, but he's a sound thinker who puts forth solid arguments, and there is direct applicability of his philosophy to anti-feminism. | /r/MensRights | 27/03/13 10:30 PM |
| 22 | Because I'm not a woman, And Straight!So what's the Reddit solution? Get HR to respond, in email, that your complaints about unwanted physical contact from your manager are not legitimate. Force them to go on record as saying that they are choosing to dismiss your complaints. To do so, I recommend sending THEM an email that says something like "On March 27, 2013, I approached you to inform you that I was extremely uncomfortable with the amount of physical attention I was receiving from my direct supervisor. I'm still unclear on what… | /r/MensRights | 27/03/13 10:05 PM |
| 5 | Richard Dawkins supports member of radical feminist group Femen - same group that defiled a Christian memorial for victims of communism in KievRichard Dawkins is not supporting Femen in this article(although he does claim to support a particular type of feminism, while being critical of the uncritical thought being fostered in "some women's studies programs"). He's supporting Amina's right to speak without fear of being incarcerated. Being that Dawkins is an atheist, and there is a big angle of the role of islamic law imposes on islamic societies, it's not surprising at all. | /r/MensRights | 27/03/13 09:48 PM |
| 1 | I'm sorry, but whoever runs the mensrights reddit Twitter account should not be retweeting stuff like this.I suspect you are right, but that particular problem isn't marriage equality. I actually suspect that it relates to disposability, and the way that gay men aren't providing for women, but there are a lot of theories that could explain what can really only be described as anecdotal evidence of the problem. | /r/MensRights | 27/03/13 08:46 PM |
| 7 | I'm confused. Why do we think social justice sucks?/r/sjsucks is about e-macarthyism, and vigilantiism, as opposed to justice on social matters. the term "social justice" is usually used when an uninformed mob decides to act on a small amount of information and a lot of emotion to try and exert retribution. I'm for a just society, not "social justice". Ironically, the former is threatened by the latter. | /r/MensRights | 27/03/13 08:01 PM |
| 1 | Can someone give me a list of gender equality books to read?The sidebar has some good ones for mens rights. In particular I'd suggest the myth of male power by warren farrell, and the blank slate by steven pinker (which isn't really 'men's rights' so much as a refutation of the notion that gender is a social construct, which is a premise upon which most of feminism is argued). I get confused about which feminist subreddits are which, but either /r/feminisms or /r/feminism has an exhaustive list of books. When you compare the avaialable material, you'll d… | /r/MensRights | 27/03/13 07:53 PM |
| 1 | I'm sorry, but whoever runs the mensrights reddit Twitter account should not be retweeting stuff like this.OH- ok, sorry I thought you were saying that the account in the OP was run by kloo. | /r/MensRights | 27/03/13 07:33 PM |
| 1 | I'm sorry, but whoever runs the mensrights reddit Twitter account should not be retweeting stuff like this.I support same-sex marriage, but it isn't an MRA issue because nobody is being denied the ability to marry because they are a man. There are men who are being denied the ability to marry because they are gay, which is why it is a LGBT issue, not a MRM issue. If lesbians are allowed to marry, but homosexual men are not, then it will be a MR issue. | /r/MensRights | 27/03/13 07:31 PM |
| 1 | I'm sorry, but whoever runs the mensrights reddit Twitter account should not be retweeting stuff like this.that's regrettable. | /r/MensRights | 27/03/13 07:27 PM |
| 2 | I was just raped by a girl a few hours ago. Don't know what to think of it.This is kind of a distinction that I am trying to flesh out while I type about it, so bear with me if I am a little incoherent. Also, do me a favor and try to think about it like an alien for a second, and put aside all the outrage surrounding "rape culture"- we're doing this as an exercise to better understand the world in which rape happens, free of judgement, just to have a better model from which we can hold future discussions. I guess the distinction I am making is that she wasn't explicitl… | /r/MensRights | 27/03/13 07:25 PM |
| 2 | I was just raped by a girl a few hours ago. Don't know what to think of it.I can relate. Before you talk to her, I suggest you protect yourself a little by documenting your story in some timestamped way. I'm not sure the best way to do it- I'd probably encrypt it, and give it to a trusted third party without the key neccessary to decrypt it, so that I could keep it secret while I chose to. I'm just giving you this advice because when something similar happened to me, I spent the rest of my time in college watching things get really weird, and worrying that she would en… | /r/MensRights | 27/03/13 05:23 PM |
| 1 | I was just raped by a girl a few hours ago. Don't know what to think of it.if we're being trolled, fine. maybe a bystander will benefit from good advice regarding the story. Because things like what is described here do happen. | /r/MensRights | 27/03/13 05:14 PM |
| 2 | I was just raped by a girl a few hours ago. Don't know what to think of it.I think you were raped. I do not think she intended to rape you. Whatever happens from this point forward, I think you need to make that clear to her, because she has some misconceptions about men that need to be cleared up- men have a right to refuse sex, and no partner can unilaterally decide that the time for sexytimes is now. I think you need to clearly explain to her what happened from your point of view. Regardless of whether you go on to have sex again, some ground rules are called for, a… | /r/MensRights | 27/03/13 05:03 PM |
| 40 | I'm sorry, but whoever runs the mensrights reddit Twitter account should not be retweeting stuff like this.It's annoying when anyone appoints themselves representatives for a group. As an atheist that supports gay marriage, I don't like that tweet either, especially since it isn't related to Men's Rights. | /r/MensRights | 27/03/13 04:35 PM |
| 2 | 9-Year-Old's $20,000 Kickstarter Campaign Draws Scam AccusationsI love this story. People need to learn that simply declaring that something is "a woman's issue" doesn't mean that they should stop thinking critically about it. That viewing anything feminist as sacred imposes a vulnerability in your critical thinking that WILL be exploited by the opportunistic. Stories like this inspire the desperately-needed skepticism regarding feminism that anti-feminists want. | /r/MensRights | 26/03/13 09:35 PM |
| 9 | My Universities "woman only" English courseI'm very uncomfortable with this concept of "safe spaces" in academia. What dangers lie within the average english class? The only answer I can possibly come up with is: exposure to uncomfortable ideas, and possibly having your assumptions confronted. This is what is SUPPOSED to happen in college-level classes. This enshrinement and isolation of women ought to be viewed as offensive to women- it insults their ability to handle difficult ideas, and it also delivers poor value on the dollar for th… | /r/MensRights | 26/03/13 09:23 PM |
| 2 | Gates Foundation challenge shoots for a better condomThey also state that a female condom is an acceptable solution. This is a good, practical, gender-neutral call for new ideas to try and deal with the problem of STDs. | /r/MensRights | 26/03/13 09:11 PM |
| 3 | Why do gays want legal marriage anyways?/r/MensRights seems like a weird subreddit to address this question to, unless you are asking the homosexual men here to explain it. but as others have pointed out, the practical reason is that marriage is used as shorthand for "real relationship" in so many ways in society (hospital policy, spousal coverage of insurance from employer, tax claims. inheritance law, etc...) that it is easier to recognize the marriage than it is to change everything else. Less practically, but equally important, it… | /r/MensRights | 26/03/13 09:05 PM |
| 11 | Thoughts on a post by George TakeiYou know, when a man is raped, you never hear what he was wearing, or who he was, or that it happened. You never hear about it, period. | /r/MensRights | 22/03/13 04:58 PM |
| 1 | Adria Richards didn't call for anyone to be fired, she wasn't hostile or irrational, she wasn't outraged over one shitty dongle joke—she was expressing an accumulated frustration at the persistent difno links to gawker. screen shot it and post it to imgur if you want to discuss the article | /r/MensRights | 22/03/13 04:34 PM |
| 10 | Dongle scandal - Wow, this guy just does not get itportrait of a white knight. | /r/MensRights | 22/03/13 04:24 PM |
| 1 | Adria mess: A new phase in the movement - for the first time, a feminist is publicly shamed and fired.I'm not arguing that there is a high price paid for that self-reliance. Or that it is just or fair to be a throw away. But: we developed the trait for a reason- it was selected through environmental pressure, and a lot of the things that I like about men are in part due to the culture that being disposable brought about. I doubt I'd be comfortable with the isolation of my profession without it, for instance. It's possible that you think I am advocating for disposabilty: I'm not. I'm just saying … | /r/MensRights | 22/03/13 04:03 PM |
| 1 | Adria mess: A new phase in the movement - for the first time, a feminist is publicly shamed and fired.you don't see any relationship between disposability and the army/ lessons taught in the boy scouts? I can't speak to the girl scouts. | /r/MensRights | 22/03/13 03:50 PM |
| 1 | Adria mess: A new phase in the movement - for the first time, a feminist is publicly shamed and fired.It fosters greater self-reliance, trains you to focus better under pressure, makes you good in a crisis. | /r/MensRights | 22/03/13 02:30 PM |
| 5 | What's the big deal with Adria Richards?Here are some [other] (https://gist.github.com/seanhandley/4106776) [stories] (http://violetblue.tumblr.com/post/44107008572/what-happened-with-my-security-bsides-talk) to set a context. There's a trend in tech that seems to be reminiscent of what has happened to atheism with the atheism+ movement, where feminists who are arguably outside the culture decide that they like what you've done with the place, but it's time for them to come in and take a leadership position and tell you why you're mor… | /r/MensRights | 22/03/13 07:42 AM |
| 17 | On why I am not a "cancer in the MRM"...I think this is a very well written post. I read it first, then went to the video- and... I expected a lot worse than what I found. I think this is where the dischord is: woolybumblebee is characterizing activisim as doing things like setting up support shelters for men, establishing hotlines for men, and- you know, basically state-funded big-government approaches. She doesn't see a path for activisim that doesn't involve establishing some safety nets over the glass cellar. And- in the video, at… | /r/MensRights | 22/03/13 04:20 AM |
| 0 | Adria mess: A new phase in the movement - for the first time, a feminist is publicly shamed and fired.haha =) cheers! | /r/MensRights | 22/03/13 02:51 AM |
| 2 | Adria mess: A new phase in the movement - for the first time, a feminist is publicly shamed and fired.who? sorry- the only FAIR I know of is Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting. | /r/MensRights | 22/03/13 02:36 AM |
| 7 | Vaselgel (RISUG male contraceptive) passes early trials.There is a lot more on the way. It's required to clear the FDA. If it makes you feel better, the email actually talked about a program to find homes for the animals that were used in testing. Want a bunny? | /r/MensRights | 22/03/13 02:34 AM |
| 1 | Adria mess: A new phase in the movement - for the first time, a feminist is publicly shamed and fired.I agree, but I have never seen anyone counseling that. I worry more that, in order to effect change, we'll end up repeating the mistake of feminism and turning the MRM into an industry that eventually has to manufacture the appearance of a problem in order to keep funding going. Or that the MRM will succeed because it learns to cash in on victim status more effectively than feminist organizations do, and in so doing forget that there are upsides to things like disposability. There are SO MANY wr… | /r/MensRights | 22/03/13 02:30 AM |
| 4 | Adria mess: A new phase in the movement - for the first time, a feminist is publicly shamed and fired.I agree that it should be done judiciously, and that we should have the kind of distinctions I mentioned above. I also want to point out that AVFM did NOT "doxx" those students. They provided their names, but did not provide the kind of information that you typically provide when "doxxing" someone so that people can enact social justice. There were no addresses, phone numbers, social security numbers, etc... If there were, I would be condemning them. Instead, AVFM thought about it, put out caref… | /r/MensRights | 22/03/13 02:17 AM |
| 10 | Adria mess: A new phase in the movement - for the first time, a feminist is publicly shamed and fired.The way you are characterizing the principle is too broad to be useful. Principles that are too absolute are not useful. For instance, refusing to ever hurt others precludes self defense, and the practice of medicine. I think the way you are presenting this principle is similarly too broad. There are two useful distinctions here: 1) Public vs Private: tech dude was having a conversation with a friend that was overheard. The students were actively engaged in protest. They were frontstage, tech du… | /r/MensRights | 22/03/13 01:43 AM |
| 17 | Adria mess: A new phase in the movement - for the first time, a feminist is publicly shamed and fired.Are you equating making a joke about a dongle to the sorts of things that AVFM reported on? Is a dongle joke made to a friend really the same thing as this? If Adria Richards was publicly shaming these guys for screaming abuse at attendees, and posting misogynistic crap on twitter, it would be comparable. If you can't see the difference, then I think you really need to spend some time imagining the parties involved with their genders reversed. I'm comparing Adria's tweets and blogposts to the tw… | /r/MensRights | 22/03/13 12:18 AM |
| 22 | Enough about Adria Richards (who really should have minded her own business). How about we find ways to get Alex Reid his job back?Playhaven says that it was a different employee that was terminated, not Alex Reid. In addition to signing this petition, the CEO of Playcon is soliciting feedback into this decision. You might write him on the employees behalf, and suggest that terminating an employee over a tweet was over the top, and that it is the role of leadership today to stand up to e-Macarthyism (edit: formatting) | /r/MensRights | 21/03/13 10:13 PM |
| 3 | Feminists are using the acts in Ohio to push their hateful agenda, yet again.But I’m also not interested in vilifying these individuals. What I think we need to understand is that, yes, this behaviour was absolutely disgusting and horrific and that absolutely this must be treated as a crime, these young men are not monsters. They are just regular guys. Right, just regular guys. Because this happens every weekend in every town everywhere. What I find really kind of funny about all these articles asking men to stop being bystanders in these situations is that at one of the… | /r/MensRights | 21/03/13 10:05 PM |
| -2 | Adria Richards fired from SendGrid.lol whatever. Here's an upvote since you seem to think that is the only reason people have conversations. | /r/MensRights | 21/03/13 09:13 PM |
| 1 | Adria Richards fired from SendGrid.Clearly you've never held a job with PR being a major part of your duties. Please reread my post, because I think you are chastising me for having the same opinion that you have. | /r/MensRights | 21/03/13 09:09 PM |
| 4 | Adria Richards fired from SendGrid.in that case, she deserved to be fired for being bad at her job. | /r/MensRights | 21/03/13 08:55 PM |
| 23 | Adria mess: A new phase in the movement - for the first time, a feminist is publicly shamed and fired.This is probably a good time to point out that AVFM's controversial policy of posting public tweets and names of activists spewing hate at people trying to attend the Warren Farrell U of T event resulted in a marked decrease in that kind of activity. In other words: it worked. | /r/MensRights | 21/03/13 08:41 PM |
| 6 | Vaselgel (RISUG male contraceptive) passes early trials.Yeah. I'd probably suggest starting to save now to donate to the crowdsourcing effort. If the kickstarter/indiegogo/whatever campaign does extremely well, it will be a PR coup that reinforces awareness that men want options. | /r/MensRights | 21/03/13 08:30 PM |
| 1 | #donglegate - based on what you know of similar shitstorms, how do you see it playing out?becomes anecdotal evidence of "the war on women" | /r/MensRights | 21/03/13 08:18 PM |
| 3 | While many on Reddit are in favor of her firing, Twitter is absolutely EXPLODING in support for Adria RichardsIs anyone surprised? I'm personally of the opinion that nobody should have been fired over this, but the internet is a white knight. This is going to make Adria Richards' career. She'll probably do a Ted Talk with Anna Sarkeesian in a month. | /r/MensRights | 21/03/13 07:54 PM |
| -1 | Adria Richards fired from SendGrid.Do you know if Adria Richards was there as a developer, or if she was employed as a "developer evangelist" or whatever the stupid term she used was? If she tweeted in a professional capacity, I agree with you- because her job was to be smart about this stuff. If she was just there as a developer, and she happened to consider herself "a technical evangelist" or whatever, then I still think that we should have a technical culture in which people can occasionally say stupid things without losing th… | /r/MensRights | 21/03/13 06:30 PM |
| -13 | Adria Richards fired from SendGrid.Hm. I don't like this. Adria Richards fired off an entitled tweet. Pycon claims to have just had a talk with the two, which is appropriate, and someone claiming to be the guy claims to be fired. The tragedy is that the guy lost his job. The responsible party is his employer. Neither Adria Richard nor the guy should have lost their job. Everyone else should have just told them to chill, and work it out between them. We want a de-escalation of this shit, not an environment in which people are afra… | /r/MensRights | 21/03/13 06:13 PM |
| 5 | Is this a true statistic? Can someone help me understand?re: your source in 1997, rape by envelopment wasn't possible | /r/MensRights | 21/03/13 04:08 AM |
| 1 | To all the people that are so angry at CNN for their reporting on Steubenville.I think that is a recent development, but I could be wrong. I've heard that in the seventies, the recidivism after incarceration in California (where I live, hence, why I know) was MUCH lower than it is today. Recidivism is blamed on "tough on crime" policies that have stretched the prisons to bursting, changing the focus from rehabilitation to simply incarceration. Anyway. No stats or anything. I just wanted to say that before you say it wouldnt work in america, look to a different era of ameri… | /r/MensRights | 21/03/13 12:00 AM |
| 1 | Can someone PLEASE explain Mens Rights to me?A lot of the issues that men face ARE the result of feminist legislation (child custody law is an example of this: NOW's lobbyists actively fight against default shared custody; America's public education system only acknowledged that boys were having trouble in schools 10 years after the UK was looking into it, even though the USA and UK had nearly identical trends. The reason for this was that Harvard's Carol Gilligan and the AAUW were banging a drum about a 'girl crisis', and did not recogniz… | /r/MensRights | 20/03/13 11:53 PM |
| 3 | Can someone PLEASE explain Mens Rights to me?This is a good consensus view of the Mens Rights Movement | /r/MensRights | 20/03/13 11:45 PM |
| 2 | Steven Pinker and the Depoliticization of RapeSloppy article. It DOES successfully argue that SOME rape is political and about power. Certainly I'd say that all the men being raped in the congo has more to do with humiliating them than the sexual desire of the war parties. ...but Stepehen Pinker's statements are still pertinent to a lot of the rape that happens. That rape is used as another form of political violence is incontrovertible. This does not mean that rape is used exclusively as a form of political violence, or even typically as a… | /r/MensRights | 20/03/13 08:18 PM |
| 4 | A look at the data: even conservatively, false rape accusations as a percentage of projected rape frequency amounts to... <1.5% of cases...and what's really sad about her not accepting comments and challenges of her thesis is that she bases her entire argument off of a faulty assumption, and even indicates that if her argument weren't valid, then there would be cause for concern: So 8% of reported rapes are false accusations. If that’s true, then yes, we have a major issue we need to address. Here’s the next problem though – that’s only about reported rapes. This sets the stage for a world in which she assumes that efforts to in… | /r/MensRights | 20/03/13 05:54 PM |
| 1 | A look at the data: even conservatively, false rape accusations as a percentage of projected rape frequency amounts to... <1.5% of casestranslation: I've decided to stifle dissent, and make it impossible for anyone to challenge me, because I think I'm right. If you're so sure you are right, make your post, leave comments on, and then link to that post whenever you are offended by a comment about false accusations. Another feminist blogger who wants to preach rather than talk. | /r/MensRights | 20/03/13 04:53 PM |
| 5 | UPDATE: Twitter lady who got developer fired by tweeting their pictures along with accusations of "sexism" or something suffering a DDoS attackunprecedented traffic caused by media coverage | /r/MensRights | 20/03/13 07:23 AM |
| 1 | Why my 20 year old sister knows everything, and why I'm a misogynistic piece of shit.I think he's a skeptic, primarily interested in atheism. I think his interest in feminism is basically in response to the athesim+ community. | /r/MensRights | 20/03/13 12:45 AM |
| 6 | Why my 20 year old sister knows everything, and why I'm a misogynistic piece of shit.There are going to be zillions of angry women standing on street corners holding signs that say "Will apply Marxist-Feminist critique to your cisgender-privileged oppressive culture 4 food." this may be the funniest thing I have read all year. | /r/MensRights | 20/03/13 12:43 AM |
| 1 | Why my 20 year old sister knows everything, and why I'm a misogynistic piece of shit.I don't know. Academic feminism is a federally funded industry at this point. It even appears to be recession-proof. | /r/MensRights | 19/03/13 11:56 PM |
| -1 | Why my 20 year old sister knows everything, and why I'm a misogynistic piece of shit.thunderfoot did a good video on feminism as a church | /r/MensRights | 19/03/13 11:48 PM |
| 24 | Why my 20 year old sister knows everything, and why I'm a misogynistic piece of shit.It's really sad that someone who wants to dedicate their lives to considering gender roles feels that you are not taking them seriously when you try to discuss gender roles with them. Tell her that when she sends you email like that, it feels like she is telling you to shut up, and not listening to your experience in your life as it relates to the subject matter of her profession. Tell her that one complaint MRAs have about feminists is that they treat their philosophy like an ideology, surround… | /r/MensRights | 19/03/13 10:57 PM |
| 14 | UPDATE: Twitter lady who got developer fired by tweeting their pictures along with accusations of "sexism" or something suffering a DDoS attackAs others have noted, I wonder if it is a DDOS or the slashdot effect; either seems likely. If it's a DDOS, it's too bad. That's like pulling the fire alarm before a public speech. | /r/MensRights | 19/03/13 09:30 PM |
| 1 | Writing a campus features article on Men's Rights - would love some assistanceDean Esmay of A Voice For Men spent the last few months talking to a lot of key people in the MRM for input while putting together this document which represents a pretty strong consensus view of what the MRM is about You might try to contact him through his blog, since he is in the position of having recently spent a lot of time talking to a lot of people about your subject matter. | /r/MensRights | 19/03/13 07:33 PM |
| 5 | Radfem Piece of Shit Decides That Glaring Injustices That Don't Affect Him (Her? It?) Are "Irrelevant"This is actually a very funny read, especially the article that he previously wrote to make his point. Usually when you debunk something, you set out to prove that it isn't true. His article "debunking" MRA talking points just ends up reinforcing them, except in that he says he doesn't care (which is really just further evidence of male disposability). Some of the greatest misandrists are men. | /r/MensRights | 19/03/13 07:26 PM |
| 6 | I'm all for Men's Rights, but I get discouraged when I see this type of discourse.Hypoagency is a thing. | /r/MensRights | 19/03/13 07:20 PM |
| 141 | My uni is (probably) changing the Women's Center on campus to a Student's Resource Center for Men and Women - All because I stepped forward on the issue.Good Job! If you end up creating material that would be useful in other such centers, you might consider sharing them here, so that other people can build on your work for their own campuses. | /r/MensRights | 19/03/13 06:45 PM |
| 3 | A Biological Basis For Gender Differences In Math; And How Boys Are Left Behind In ReadingI've been thinking about this a lot lately. Systems that discriminate against men are usually justified by pointing to data demonstrating inequality of result (fewer women in science, fewer women in politics). These arguments are based on the premise that there are no factors beyond gender-based discrimination that could account for a disparity. However, there is something fundamentally dangerous about acknowledging biological difference. Some of the great injustices of the past have been commit… | /r/MensRights | 19/03/13 06:20 PM |
| 57 | Woman at Pycon takes a picture of two guys after being horribly offended at them making a Dongle joke, and a pun about "forking" code in private conversation. Tweets their picture, they are removed frWow, I didn't realize they had one. I'm surprised that this is getting more heavily mentioned. | /r/MensRights | 19/03/13 05:00 PM |
| 84 | Woman at Pycon takes a picture of two guys after being horribly offended at them making a Dongle joke, and a pun about "forking" code in private conversation. Tweets their picture, they are removed frThat's part of what I was referring to with that hypoagency comment. In fact, from what I can tell, she smiled, snapped their picture, then implored the powers that be reading her twitter account to do something on her behalf. I'm a big believer in resorting to authority as a last recourse. If my neighbors do something I dont like, I talk to them about it, rather than complain to the housing association or the police. If a coworker is acting in an unprofessional manner, I talk to them instead of… | /r/MensRights | 19/03/13 04:55 PM |
| 3 | Yes, we SHOULD teach boys and men not to rape.There are ... numerous, numerous issues with his statistics and methodology for describing the problem of rape (there are tons of articles about this at genderattic.com). However, police departments seem to be endorsing the effectiveness of public awareness campaigns, and- while I'd prefer a larger body of evidence than a few testimonials- we have to acknowledge that telling people not to rape is part of an effective crime reduction strategy. What I'd LOVE to see is non-gendered public awareness… | /r/MensRights | 19/03/13 04:45 PM |
| 2 | Question Regarding the Correlation Between MRAs and the Right Wing/Libertarianism.What's funny is that conservatives actually rarely legislate in a truly fiscally conservative manner, and liberals rarely legislate in a manner actually aimed at equality. | /r/MensRights | 19/03/13 04:31 PM |
| 205 | Woman at Pycon takes a picture of two guys after being horribly offended at them making a Dongle joke, and a pun about "forking" code in private conversation. Tweets their picture, they are removed frHonestly, I blame pycon and the employer for being such colossal white knights and allowing her hypoagency to work. I don't know if we'll ever have a future where people don't rant on twitter about things that offend them, but maybe we can hope for a future where the qualified people in charge behave a little more reasonably. I love how on her blog Adria Richards is concerned about the vulnerability of a girl in a photo in the presentation, but spares no thought to the vulnerability of the fathe… | /r/MensRights | 19/03/13 04:04 PM |
| 18 | **UPDATE** A friend if mine recently became a women's studies major/feminist. This argument ended our friendship [facebook]Typhon Blue has posted a really interesting set of videos about creating a threat narrative on her youtube channel. This seems like a classic example. | /r/MensRights | 19/03/13 03:24 PM |
| 3 | Question Regarding the Correlation Between MRAs and the Right Wing/Libertarianism.Anyone can be a bigot, and I'd probably say that almost everyone has prejudices. Denying this only makes it harder to recognize and fight your prejudices. I tend towards the left, due to a combination of being socially liberal and not liking the way the republican party has treated science for the last 30 years. I wouldn't call myself a socialist, but I do think that there is a time and place for social programs, and that free market capitalism doesn't work like it is "supposed" to when you have… | /r/MensRights | 19/03/13 03:12 PM |
| 3 | Question Regarding the Correlation Between MRAs and the Right Wing/Libertarianism.I think of masculism and mens rights as different things. Masculism deals with the concept of gender roles and the social pressures surrounding them. Men's Rights Advocacy/Activism is merely trying to get the human rights of men recognized- it's divorced from theory. | /r/MensRights | 19/03/13 02:46 PM |
| 4 | Are women more obedient or more cruel than men?I don't think this is a measurement of cruelty, as much as a measure of the inclination to disobey orders. There were a lot of variations on Milgram's experiments, where different factors got different results (not unsurprisingly, people were a lot more willing to cause discomfort to anonymous strangers), and I've never read through them with an eye on gender. I'd be hesitant to draw any conclusions from one permutation of the tests. We do often hear about how "poorly behaved" boys are in school… | /r/MensRights | 18/03/13 05:56 PM |
| 1 | Would you marry a women who earned or could earn 50% more than you? Women, would you marry a man who earned significantly less? Given the statistics on the high rate of divorces for these couples...kind of a funny question, considering I wouldn't marry, period. If you are asking if I consider making money to be intimidating: no. I will say that at a certain salary level, in certain professions, the qualities that make you a good earner do not make you a great partner. I think this probably is one of the issues women face too- an apexual will have a large checkbook, but probably won't be very empathetic or considerate, unless they are freakishly good at being one person in the office, and a… | /r/MensRights | 17/03/13 06:50 PM |
| 1 | The popular mra analogy for rape victims - a rich man in a crime culture asking for it, or someone wearing the wrong colors in gang culture - does more to support the ides that women live in a "rape cTIL about the theory of victim facilitation vs victim blaming. Thanks, that presents the argument I was trying to make much more clearly than I had. | /r/MensRights | 15/03/13 09:34 PM |
| 8 | On the term "mysandry"I don't think it is the latin that SRSters object to. It's the idea. Misogyny is a thing. So is misandry. | /r/MensRights | 15/03/13 09:22 PM |
| 2 | Hey guys, we're doing a unit on the women's rights movement, and my teacher approved me making a short presentation to show to the class.You might want to start with the concepts of sexism vs "benevolent sexism" using the examples of the wage gap and disproportionate sentencing, just to establish that there are gendered biases that work for and against each sex, but that you can easily ignore those that work for you (hell, you could compare "benevolent sexism" to "invisible privilege"). You may want to then introduce some of Girl Writes What's views on benevolent sexism vs plain ol sexism Since you seem interested in the wage gap… | /r/MensRights | 15/03/13 09:07 PM |
| 3 | Report Exposes Private Prison LobbyDisproportionate sentencing is a frequently cited men's issue. I think that the rate of incarceration in America should also be a Men's Rights issue, but I'd be interested in hearing what other people think. What do libertarians think about privatization of prisons? Do you think that prisons are an example of something that shouldn't be privatized because of this sort of conflict of interest? I'm really not trying to start a partisan fight with this question, just get a sense of where people are… | /r/MensRights | 15/03/13 08:41 PM |
| 3 | Woman attempts to rape her bf, "twists his testicles", want to guess whether she is charged with sexual assault?I'm actually not arguing that she should be charged with rape, or sexual assault. I would say that "attempted rape" would likely be appropriate, given the clearly sexual nature of the crime. I get what you are saying about trying to seek rationality over the sort of hysteria that comes from competition over victim status, but I do think that part of the reason we want to know if there is a sexual element to violence is because that changes how you treat the criminal, both for rehabilitation (if … | /r/MensRights | 15/03/13 08:29 PM |
| 2 | The popular mra analogy for rape victims - a rich man in a crime culture asking for it, or someone wearing the wrong colors in gang culture - does more to support the ides that women live in a "rape cThe myth that men can't be raped allows it to happen more freely in the culture. This is probably true. At least in that I don't think that women are aware that they are raping when they are, men have no idea how to process it when it is happening to them, or how to process it once it has happened. The myth that women ask to be raped when they do x, y or z, increases the chances that someone will act on that suggestion / rationalization. Two things: in order for it to be a myth, there has to be … | /r/MensRights | 15/03/13 08:17 PM |
| 2 | The popular mra analogy for rape victims - a rich man in a crime culture asking for it, or someone wearing the wrong colors in gang culture - does more to support the ides that women live in a "rape cCan you provide an example of a cultural belief or myth that makes rape more likely to happen? | /r/MensRights | 15/03/13 06:44 PM |
| 1 | The popular mra analogy for rape victims - a rich man in a crime culture asking for it, or someone wearing the wrong colors in gang culture - does more to support the ides that women live in a "rape cfrom my op: it's because I believe rape is universally vilified more than most other crimes, and that we extend more legal protection to rape victims (in the form of shield laws) than we do to victims of any other crime. In light of this, I think you could argue that we take rape more seriously than any other crime- which is hardly the image painted by "rape culture". I thought I was directly addressing rape culture there. If you are arguing that a culture that is more concerned about rape than … | /r/MensRights | 15/03/13 06:07 PM |
| 29 | Woman attempts to rape her bf, "twists his testicles", want to guess whether she is charged with sexual assault?I think you are arguing that she was punishing him for not having sex with her, as opposed to beating him until he had sex with her. It's hard to say whether or not she would have stopped if he had agreed, and - I'll freely admit that this is subjective- I think that if a bloodied woman fled into a store chased by a man with his pants off who had been beating her for not giving him a blow job, it would be considered more than "indecent exposure, simple assault, open lewdness and harassment". | /r/MensRights | 15/03/13 06:02 PM |
| 1 | The popular mra analogy for rape victims - a rich man in a crime culture asking for it, or someone wearing the wrong colors in gang culture - does more to support the ides that women live in a "rape cIs it possible to distinguish between living in a society where rape happens, and living in a rape culture? When I argue against "rape culture", it's because I believe rape is universally vilified more than most other crimes, and that we extend more legal protection to rape victims (in the form of shield laws) than we do to victims of any other crime. In light of this, I think you could argue that we take rape more seriously than any other crime- which is hardly the image painted by "rape cultur… | /r/MensRights | 15/03/13 05:52 PM |
| 28 | Woman attempts to rape her bf, "twists his testicles", want to guess whether she is charged with sexual assault?What do you define as rape? Is using violence to coerce sex rape in your view? | /r/MensRights | 15/03/13 05:23 PM |
| 5 | It's time this movement did a little cleanup.Those men have every right to be angry at the system and the women that have wronged them. Hating on women entirely? That's how people justify racism. I hate the idea, not the person. There are a million people out there shaming them already. They'll stop hating women when they realize that there is no need to hate women, which will happen naturally as they realize that not all women are out to get them, and that people understand that they have been unjustly treated. This is NOT an endorsement … | /r/MensRights | 15/03/13 04:33 PM |
| 7 | It's time this movement did a little cleanup.By spreading baseless hate, you give others reason to dismiss our arguments. Agreed. But at the same time, I won't begrudge anger from men who have been hurt by a flawed system. I'd rather help them, and free them from their anger by showing them that there are people who care about them and are willing to listen to them. By mocking feminists, you only deter those women from supporting us. Most feminists are embarrassed by the loud anti-male women who call themselves feminists. I prefer attacks … | /r/MensRights | 15/03/13 04:08 PM |
| 2 | 11 signs of Mens Rights Activist. You guys agree with any of this?How and why to establish a threat narrative And as to whether I agree with any of this: no. It IS a good illustration of the story MRA detractors tell themselves to excuse themselves from actually thinking critically about the MRM platform (summarized here) though. | /r/MensRights | 15/03/13 03:44 PM |
| 1 | Goodbye MR. I support your cause but not the shit I have to wade through in this sub.You may be right but I also think the issues need to be debated and broken down more and not just turn into a circle jerk. Yeah, I wish there was some middle ground between an echo chamber and confronting the same ideas again and again and again. The problem with something like a subreddit is you hang out on it for a year, and it can seem like the turnover of users can keep the discussion from ever evolving, and you just get stuck rehashing the same thing again and again. Every 1-3 days we get s… | /r/MensRights | 15/03/13 05:11 AM |
| 2 | Against egalitarianism &cEmpty ad-hominem. | /r/MensRights | 14/03/13 11:15 PM |
| 1 | Against egalitarianism &cOr in this example, what name they please. I DO think that it is a problem if we find that simply having the name Joe Smith makes it significantly harder to find work than having the name Marcia Lopez, or vice versa. Sorry if that offends you. Actually, I'm not. | /r/MensRights | 14/03/13 11:00 PM |
| 2 | Against egalitarianism &cFunny, I just made an entry in the Men's Rights Wiki about this this morning- the difference between equality of opportunity and equality of outcome- and specifically how chasing an equality of outcome can actually result in a inequality of opportunity. Opportunity is a subjective thing; it cannot be measured I disagree. If you take an identical resume and change the name of the applicant, then submit it to a statistically significant number of employers, differences in response is a fairly obje… | /r/MensRights | 14/03/13 10:52 PM |
| 1 | Goodbye MR. I support your cause but not the shit I have to wade through in this sub.Most antifeminists don't think that all feminists are men haters and lunatics. Merely that the ones who aren't aren't the ones running the show, and that they like the idea of the dictionary definition of feminism so much that they ignore the practical application of feminism. Honestly, it's not the radical feminists that bother us. We know that most people can recognize them as crazy. It's the unwillingness to look critically at mainstream organizations like NOW that bother us, and the fact tha… | /r/MensRights | 14/03/13 10:07 PM |
| 1 | Goodbye MR. I support your cause but not the shit I have to wade through in this sub.It must not be the first time I've thought so because it seems I've upvoted you a few times before. thanks! I wish there was a bestof MR sub... You might be able to create something similar by "friending" the people who make you think, and checking out the conversations they are involved in, rather than weeding through the tumblr/facebook/rant posts on your own. | /r/MensRights | 14/03/13 09:45 PM |
| 6 | Jonathan Goldsbie "goes through the looking glass to an alternative world where men are oppressed" - discusses "mind-bending" U of T talk by Janice Fiamengo - focuses entirely on ideology - ignores thI have to admit that I cringed at the song at the beginning myself. The horrible thing about this article is that there are some valid criticisms of that lecture that are used as a foundation for an unjustified dismissal of all her points. There was nothing as disingenuous or weak in Fiamengo's presentation as stupid little tricks that Jonathan Goldsbie tries to get away with in this article, such as referring to "Men's Rights Activists" as "Male Supremacists". | /r/MensRights | 14/03/13 09:29 PM |
| 5 | Does anyone else here believe that people accused of rape should be named?would those same people be arguing against rape shield laws that provide special exemptions to the plaintiffs in rape cases? | /r/MensRights | 14/03/13 06:05 PM |
| 40 | I just sar through my first sex "education" lesson.Another fun thing to think about with this is that the woman is responsible for her actions if she decides to drive while drunk, but not if she decides to have sex while drunk. | /r/MensRights | 14/03/13 06:02 PM |
| 5 | Does anyone else here believe that people accused of rape should be named?As far as I understand it, the argument FOR it is that it encourages other rape victims to come forth and issue accusations as well. The argument against it is that an accusation is effectively a conviction, and that the accused is subjected to ostracism, denigration, difficulties with work, and sometimes physical violence. Additionally, when an alleged rapist is found not guilty, this collateral damage to their life remains. I think the arguments against it are more compelling than the argument… | /r/MensRights | 14/03/13 05:51 PM |
| 2 | Goodbye MR. I support your cause but not the shit I have to wade through in this sub.Looking through your post history, you don't seem to have said anything particularly reprehensible, and have run into some pretty stupid comments. So I can understand the frustration. I do think you might consider PowerWisdomCourage's point though. The biggest downvote I saw in your history was a -2 which is nothing. There are people worth talking to here, particularly if you hang out in /new. As with anything, there will be people not worth talking to that say a lot, and people worth hearing th… | /r/MensRights | 14/03/13 05:37 PM |
| 3 | Is this okay?Maybe you could avoid being forced to present an argument you don't believe by talking about a cool woman, like Hedy Lamarr | /r/MensRights | 14/03/13 12:56 AM |
| 1 | What do you think about rape jokes and rape culture?I'd start with implementing programs to try to prevent and punish prison rape before I started worrying about the culture surrounding it. Thankfully, this is being done I think a deeper problem is that prison rape is often seen as a feature rather than a bug. People take satisfaction in the thought that horrible things are happening to horrible people, and like the idea that we can sentence criminals to be raped, while maintaining the polite fiction that we are too civilized to engage in that ki… | /r/MensRights | 13/03/13 09:06 PM |
| 3 | SCSU condemns the men’s right’s awareness group at U of Tnot to mention when the first question was an inarticulate mess with no real question in it, the students heckled and yelled "is the question too hard?" it's weird to me how I think these students must think that they hate fascism, and authoritarianism, even while they exhibit those behaviors. | /r/MensRights | 13/03/13 09:01 PM |
| 4 | CNN - Men don't have it all, after allIt's funny he references "cat in the cradle". My (awesome) father used to talk about that song, and how much it worried him. | /r/MensRights | 13/03/13 06:34 PM |
| 4 | Had a debate with a friend... dont know how to respond.Re: her video- there's this whole section of "I could talk about..." where he assumes that a lot of things are given, when the topic he refers to is one that isn't actually settled, and there is a lot of debate about it. For instance, "the patriarchy- that's not even up for debate because of these symptoms". The symptoms aren't up for debate, the theory of patriarchy as the explanation for them IS. For example, there's the theory of apexuality, which also addresses these same symptoms, but is a … | /r/MensRights | 13/03/13 06:18 PM |
| 3 | If you're an African American or Hispanic man living in the US, watch out, or better yet, move to CanadaI've seen a cop in San Diego tell white men to go home, then arrest a black man for the same offense (drunk and disorderly). This was in the nineties, but I wouldn't be surprised if not much has changed. | /r/MensRights | 13/03/13 04:11 AM |
| 2 | Why do women hate men? What is the source of female misandry?I think it's probably a complicated phenomenon, but part of it is a sort of infantilized viewpoint that men made the world the way it is (because men have power), and the way it is sucks. Sort of like what most of us go through in adolescence when we realize that the world is not a nice place, in spite of all those comforting stories that we were told when we were young. I feel like men are often handed the bill for the existential angst that they can't protect women from. | /r/MensRights | 12/03/13 10:37 PM |
| 1 | Misandrist Varsity newspaper writes usual biased garbage about Fiamengo, author's name withheld and they're now resorting to disabling comments so we can't correct them!I agree. I'm with the general consensus that we shouldn't avoid confrontational rhetoric, but that doesn't mean that we should be incoherent and abusive. John the other and girlwriteswhat are hardly appeasing, but I'd be stunned if they ever presented such an easy target. If you want to use a gendered slur, just ask yourself what, exactly, is the problem with what the person said, or the attitude they presented, and then describe THAT. You'll have a more accurate criticism, which will make for a… | /r/MensRights | 12/03/13 09:28 PM |
| 3 | Help!!!I believe he has the right to be conscripted into child support at any point in the next 18 years, with retroactive child support being claimed at that time. I don't think there is anything he can do, other than keep things civil with the mother and hope that she'll stay reasonable while everyone counsels her to be unreasonable. | /r/MensRights | 12/03/13 07:02 PM |
| 2 | Dallas Mayor calling out Men on DV [NYMAG]Funny- that quote is sitting in my clipboard bow. Seriously, there are few things as vile as a factoid from an authority figure. | /r/MensRights | 12/03/13 06:48 PM |
| 1 | Wikipedia:Meetup/Feminists Engage WikipediaI'm not saying you shouldn't review and challenge things- I am just saying that wholesale reversion of content (advocated above) isn't an approach I endorse. If it was done to any of us, we'd be (rightly) angry. | /r/MensRights | 12/03/13 06:37 PM |
| 2 | Men’s Rights March 2013 Internet StatementI am surprised there are so few upvotes for this. I'm not surprised there isn't much discussion, because I think most of us can only say: "yeah." This is a document that should be referenced heavily in response to claims that there isn't a coherent platform. | /r/MensRights | 12/03/13 05:52 PM |
| 1 | How many of us think feminism is a legitimate thingIs there is legitimacy to feminist claims? Specify the claim. I am not asking if any of you support rad-fem or srs How about the National Organization for Women? What feminists DO you want us to support? | /r/MensRights | 12/03/13 05:41 PM |
| 2 | Wikipedia:Meetup/Feminists Engage WikipediaWikipedia keeps track of versions. Read what they changed, if there are errors, challenge them. Feminists have the right to free speech too. | /r/MensRights | 12/03/13 05:31 PM |
| 10 | From "Men’s rights and male hysterias" -- "Contemporary masculinity is a non-sustainable idea crashing and burning in spectacular fashion and taking the entire planet with it."I’m not sure that the idea of men’s rights is as derided as it should be and I’m definitely clear that it’s not some kind of outgrowth of feminism. ‘Men’s rights’ – or more specifically heterosexual men’s rights – seems like a cover story for a whole lot of agendas and ideas, and more significantly male hysterias. There is no ‘movement’ as such either, but there is definitely a kind of pressure and a vague coherence around certain right-wing ideas being facilitated by different men’s groups. The… | /r/MensRights | 12/03/13 05:04 PM |
| 4 | David Wong had just turned off of Cracked forever.The Paper Bag Princess I hadn't run into this before. It's funny how this is described as "flipping the script" although it doesn't- it has a female protagonist, but the man is depicted as narcissistic, selfish, shallow, and unworthy of her. She's not proving herself worthy of love, she's discovering that love isn't worthwhile. | /r/MensRights | 12/03/13 04:56 PM |
| 7 | David Wong had just turned off of Cracked forever.Here's an honest question to the other (heterosexual) men here- have you ever found that your perception of a woman's appearance changes as you get to know her? That a woman you once thought was beautiful becomes repulsive, or that a girl that you hadnt really noticed before has suddenly become cute? This is totally my experience of physical attraction- there are some barriers that nothing fixes (call me shallow, but 300 pound women don't turn me on sexually), but to characterize beauty as some … | /r/MensRights | 12/03/13 04:45 PM |
| 6 | David Wong had just turned off of Cracked forever.just as a followup- I'd respect feminism a lot more if they recognized that this trope was about proving yourself to someone you loved, and the response was to call for more stories about women proving themselves to the men they loved. Or at least debating whether 'worthiness of love' was a passive or active trait- because the current narrative is that women are just inherently romantically valuable, and men only are when they perform. | /r/MensRights | 12/03/13 04:21 PM |
| 12 | David Wong had just turned off of Cracked forever.I think that this issue is one where the casual misandry of society has been really fully digested. Because a year or two ago, I would have agreed with you. Here's what I think is going on with that idea: men are trained to think that heroic acts are what make us worthy of love. That's the bribe: you put yourself at great peril and face down adversity you have no reasonable expectation of beating, and when you come out the other side, you are worthy of the love and respect of society. The coroll… | /r/MensRights | 12/03/13 04:15 PM |
| 1 | Manosphere blogger calls out Men's Rights RedditWell, damn. Thanks for your own civil response. Now you deserve more than a "your ideas aren't new", so I'll at least offer where we differ. FWIW, I think we both agree that equality of result is not the same thing as equality of opportunity. I'd probably be as keen for pure, unadulterated competition if I didn't think that we already exist in a world of impossible power differentials that will act to hold merit down, whether or not the government gets involved (free market competition often dev… | /r/MensRights | 12/03/13 03:50 PM |
| 6 | Manosphere blogger calls out Men's Rights RedditI don't really care that you think /r/mensrights are a bunch of "weak sissies". That kind of language is basically an attempt to shame men for not conforming to a traditional role. You were on a stronger track when you were trying to force people to talk to you about your ideas, but this just looks like a temper tantrum and an attempt to bully people critical of you. You seem to be aspiring to be some exemplar of cool reasoned intellect and quiet strength- and this kind of bombast isn't going to… | /r/MensRights | 12/03/13 03:07 PM |
| 6 | Feminist: "I am a staunch feminist at every turn.....equal rights, etc" Plans to snag a rich husband to pay for herI'd think that a staunch feminist would want to create her own wealth. Or would recognize that she was looking for a partner to provide for her, which is traditionalism, not feminism. | /r/MensRights | 11/03/13 07:37 PM |
| 1 | looking for a famous video on double standardsMaybe you mean GirlWritesWhat's video feminism and the disposable male? | /r/MensRights | 11/03/13 05:55 PM |
| 41 | Glass cellar vs Glass ceiling (85% of the worst rated jobs are held by men)I just want to acknowledge that it is fantastic that concepts like the glass cellar, the apex fallacy, and feminine imperative are being discussed in bloomberg. The MRM gets a lot of criticism for just talking rather than doing traditional activism, but when these ideas start to permeate mainstream journals, you see the value of talking. | /r/MensRights | 11/03/13 04:46 PM |
| 6 | Dad creates Donkey Kong mod for his daughter where Mario needs savingyeah, it's cool that these fathers are doing this for their daughters. awesome dads. | /r/MensRights | 11/03/13 04:35 PM |
| 12 | Daily Kos: Baby boy on the way and considering circumcision? Just do it.Wow. I was almost trolled. And I am somewhat stunned to find the daily kos with the MRM on this issue. | /r/MensRights | 11/03/13 05:20 AM |
| 40 | "They're determined to be victims.'' says feminist about MRAs... Oh, the irony!There is no universally accepted umbrella group, no broad doctrine on which all can agree. I think that almost all people in the MRM agree that 1) Male disposability is a cultural norm that must be addressed and 2) We seek equality under law, and in the enforcement of those laws. there are a myriad of other issues under which I think everyone agrees, men's health should be as much of a priority for government spending as women's health, the crisis of boys in school should be a top priority for t… | /r/MensRights | 10/03/13 11:09 PM |
| 2 | 'Don't Be That Guy' ad campaign cuts Vancouver sex assaults by 10 percentThere is one thing in the article that seemed important The reversal in the trend related to sexual assaults reflected the impact of the new education program, better training for police officers and more effective investigation and enforcement, he said. So... it's not JUST the ads- there have been other changes. Nonetheless: if law enforcement professionals feel that programs like these are effective, then that is important information. I find these campaigns repulsive because they reinforce a … | /r/MensRights | 10/03/13 09:56 PM |
| 4 | this is why men are men's rights biggest problem. not feminism.I think we should rail against Gynocentricity, of which both feminism and traditionalism are a subset. | /r/MensRights | 10/03/13 07:13 AM |
| 4 | Some of you really dissapointed meAm I reading this right, that this is a 4 month old post, with 3 people actually discussing it, and most of the discussion being whether the researcher had credibility? Honestly, if you want to re-open discussion, resubmit the link with an introduction. If you have a problem with any of the 3 previous participants in the conversation, message them. | /r/MensRights | 10/03/13 07:06 AM |
| 2 | I propose we make RISUG, or male reversible vasectomy's, our top priority.I agree (well, a high priority- I dont know about "top"). I'd like to have more options than RISUG, but this is absolutely important. Honestly, I think thinks like LPS are political non-starters, but giving men and boys more options with birth control would eliminate some of the need. Barbarossa [covered some of the options on his blog] (http://barbarossaa-male-sovereignty.blogspot.com/2012/12/male-contraception-where-do-we-stand.html). | /r/MensRights | 10/03/13 06:58 AM |
| 4 | Help a feminist out?I think the MRM SHOULD aspire to intellectual honesty and equality (inasmuch as two things which are different- men and women- can be equal. Obviously things like reproduction are not going to the same for both sexes.) I'm not aware of any laws or policies which favor men over women in the united states, especially any ones put in place by a MRM organization- but if there are any, I think it is relevant to the subject, and I think we should follow the advice I put out above. | /r/MensRights | 10/03/13 06:13 AM |
| 6 | Help a feminist out?The big one would be to recognize all sexism as wrong, and fight as strongly against sexism that benefits women as sexism that disadvantages them. This means, for example, taking the punishment gap in sentences for criminals as seriously as the wage gap. I know it is hard to get the same fire going asking for what amounts to some adversity, and that many would argue "we'll argue for the bad stuff when we have the good stuff"- but that just makes the movement seem to be a movement of convenience.… | /r/MensRights | 10/03/13 05:38 AM |
| 5 | Conservatives presume ownership of men's issuesI think Fiamengo is a conservative, and that was the main gist of the article. Mens rights is a non-partisan issue, in that I don't think there is a party that is for them. Conservatives are beset with the white knight values of traditionalism, and liberals are beset with the blue pill of feminism. Both are gynocentric. | /r/MensRights | 10/03/13 04:08 AM |
| 2 | Women taking husband's name upon marriage? OpinionsI think it's between the two people getting married. I wouldn't want to change my last name, and I could understand a wife not wanting to change hers either. That said, I'm not really into marriage, so maybe I am not the best person to ask. I could see an argument that marriage is SUPPOSED to be some permanent, binding, commitment to make a collective entity whose needs supercede the individual needs of the husband or wife- and that the whole name aspect was some part of that. But it seems to me… | /r/MensRights | 10/03/13 12:42 AM |
| 7 | I think people on this subreddit may be misunderstanding 'feminism'Feminism is literally: "the theory of the political, economic, and social equality of the sexes" which would mean that if you're on this subreddit and reading this right now, chances are you're a feminist. If this is true, then we are the branch of feminism that is calling for the movement to hold itself accountable to its' ideals. We won't identify as feminists until that has happened . But if you want to represent us in this fashion to other feminists, I won't object. If you are committed to t… | /r/MensRights | 09/03/13 10:54 PM |
| 11 | Does this photo (being passed around Facebook) have any truth behind it?you might politely ask for a citation. Just say that this stuff interests you, and you'd be interested to know what studies produced those numbers. | /r/MensRights | 09/03/13 06:25 PM |
| 5 | Does this photo (being passed around Facebook) have any truth behind it?I haven't tracked down studies or anythng, but I believe GWW frequently references the fact that women have a worse track record of admitting to pressuring men into sex than the other way around. Of course, a lot of women don't think women can commit rape, so they are probably more candid about it. | /r/MensRights | 09/03/13 06:24 PM |
| 6 | so... mhra’s are feminists... Edita TWRA says...We don't hate it. That kind of language is just a silencing tactic. But traditionalism is just as responsible as feminism for the problems men face. It wasn't feminists that blocked the ERA- it was traditionalists. And why? According to phyllis schlaefly "because it wont give women anything which they haven't already got or have a way of getting, but on the other hand- it will take away from women some of the most important rights and benefits and exemptions they already have." Basically, she fe… | /r/MensRights | 09/03/13 06:09 PM |
| 1 | Do men really even idolize other men that sleep with women as a sport?interesting links- thanks! | /r/MensRights | 09/03/13 06:27 AM |
| 11 | A friend posted this on her facebook wall and I'm not really sure what to think about itThose damned strawmen are so unreasonable. But: responsibility isn't an either or thing. When people suggest that there are things you can do to avoid rape, they aren't condoning rape. They just feel like there is nothing they can do about the existence of rapists, but maybe they can help you reduce the risk of being raped. Because, you know, you have agency, and some power over your life. You aren't an object with no control over what happens to you. Feminism is supposed to help women feel empo… | /r/MensRights | 09/03/13 06:11 AM |
| 1 | After a very long debate on Facebook, an academic friend of mine posted this pro-feminist comment. Can you guys please help me to counter his facts?This is this is the favorite diversionary tactic of the SRS. The burden of proof IS on the person making the argument, but this is used so commonly as a deflection tactic that every time I see it, I feel like I am hearing a 10 year old say "I know you are but what am I?" | /r/MensRights | 09/03/13 05:09 AM |
| 9 | Do men really even idolize other men that sleep with women as a sport?I don't idolize it. My best friend might have fit your description before he got busy working on his PHD- he's smart and funny and fit- women throw themselves at him, and he's never felt like staying with one for very long. I don't look up to him for this, or down. I like him because he's smart, funny, a loyal friend, and has more integrity than anyone I've ever met. Most of his friends(men and women) tease him about the women, although as you point out, I think we are supposed to be high-fiving… | /r/MensRights | 09/03/13 02:07 AM |
| 1 | Can I get some help, quick?also: since I didnt provide any specifics: Epic post on the subject and a post from christina hoff-sommers on the subject | /r/MensRights | 09/03/13 12:26 AM |
| 1 | Can I get some help, quick?97 cents on the dollar isn't a crazy thing to claim (unlike the 70 cents on the dollar that obama claimed this election). Once you are around 97 cents - the signal to noise in the data gets really difficult to make any claim with certainty. Some demographics, notably young educated women in some fields, make more money on the dollar- but I think we're close enough to stop the oppression olympics and start thinking about how things might be made to be more fair in individual cases (would it be pr… | /r/MensRights | 09/03/13 12:23 AM |
| 12 | My Girlfriend Is The Red. She Understands.It's nice she supports men, but there is a men's day. | /r/MensRights | 08/03/13 11:43 PM |
| 11 | I don't get the hate for Anita Sarkeesian's video.I don't hate the video- and I'm glad it was posted here because there was some good discussion about things like disposability and unpacking the "male power fantasy". Even the points about how the damsel in distress is Anita Sarkeesian's business model was worth reading. | /r/MensRights | 08/03/13 11:31 PM |
| 3 | BBC News - Viewpoint: What if women ruled the world?I think an editor might have decided on the title, because that article is more about empowering women (not a term I like, since it implies that women have no personal power other than what is given to them) than women ruling the world. I don't want to criticize the article too much, because I am generally in favor of women as equals. But I can't let statements like "Families are stronger, and communities are healthier" go unchallenged. By what possible metric are families stronger today than th… | /r/MensRights | 08/03/13 09:58 PM |
| 2 | After a very long debate on Facebook, an academic friend of mine posted this pro-feminist comment. Can you guys please help me to counter his facts?13) Rather than go on and on about specifics of mainstream feminist organizations and professors advocating and lobbying extreme positions (search my post history for the National Organization of Women, the American Association of University Women, and Harvard's Carol Gilligan for examples)- I'll just say this: Where is the denunciation of extremism? Where is the self-criticism of this self-defeating rhetoric? Without seeing any of that, the rest of us are left to interpret the silence of these … | /r/MensRights | 08/03/13 09:43 PM |
| 2 | After a very long debate on Facebook, an academic friend of mine posted this pro-feminist comment. Can you guys please help me to counter his facts?10) Actually, I think these are both problems (I know that many MRAs think that there is NO wage gap, but even favorable studies show a slight one that should be corrected. And I haven't seen a refutation for studies where the same resume is offered less with a woman's name. I will say that this shouldn't be blamed on men though, because studies show that both men and women value women less in the resume studies). But since he likes to minimize men's problems when compared to women- I'll just po… | /r/MensRights | 08/03/13 09:37 PM |
| 3 | After a very long debate on Facebook, an academic friend of mine posted this pro-feminist comment. Can you guys please help me to counter his facts?9) This doesn't address the disparity in the severity of punishment for the same crime between sexes. The fact that women are given less time for the same crime suggests that there might also be cases where women are given NO TIME for crimes that get men time. | /r/MensRights | 08/03/13 09:31 PM |
| 3 | After a very long debate on Facebook, an academic friend of mine posted this pro-feminist comment. Can you guys please help me to counter his facts?8) I don't even know how to respond to this. "Yes men commit more suicide, but let's not let that distract us from the mental anguish of women." If you need a quote to expose the author's gynocentric bias, look no further. | /r/MensRights | 08/03/13 09:29 PM |
| 3 | After a very long debate on Facebook, an academic friend of mine posted this pro-feminist comment. Can you guys please help me to counter his facts?12) I agree that women should have the additional consideration on the parts of reproduction that involve her carrying a child. I don't agree that that means that men shouldn't be advocating for more freedom themselves. Part of this entails doing it for ourselves- expressing an interest in forms of male contraception beyond the condom or vasectomy, and following the ones that are in research. We need to make sure that companies know we WILL be a market, and possibly we need to help fund research… | /r/MensRights | 08/03/13 09:27 PM |
| 4 | After a very long debate on Facebook, an academic friend of mine posted this pro-feminist comment. Can you guys please help me to counter his facts?2) This is both wrong and telling. There are a number of professions dominated by women. A profession would only seem to be a profession if it is high-status and desirable. The point is telling because the author is measuring the totality of women against the apex of men rather than the totality of men. This applies to number 7 as well. | /r/MensRights | 08/03/13 09:21 PM |
| 3 | After a very long debate on Facebook, an academic friend of mine posted this pro-feminist comment. Can you guys please help me to counter his facts?3) By this logic, we shouldn't be looking to provide protection to victims if they belong to the same demographic that committed them. How does this logic work when applied to, for example, race or religion? | /r/MensRights | 08/03/13 09:18 PM |
| 3 | After a very long debate on Facebook, an academic friend of mine posted this pro-feminist comment. Can you guys please help me to counter his facts?5) This claim does not line up with this claim. I'm not an expert, and I know that you can find something that says whatever you want on the internet, but my source does at least cite studies. | /r/MensRights | 08/03/13 09:16 PM |
| 3 | After a very long debate on Facebook, an academic friend of mine posted this pro-feminist comment. Can you guys please help me to counter his facts?I believe these are his main points, broken into numeric form to make it easier to discuss them point by point: 1) In this country, around 65 per cent of those adults living in poverty (defined as less than 40 per cent median income) are female. 2) women are vastly underrepresented in all professions 3) Yes, men are significantly more likely to the be the victim of more overt street-based forms of violence, but then again men are overwhelmingly the perpetrators of this kind of crime 4) It is est… | /r/MensRights | 08/03/13 09:14 PM |
| 11 | TheAmazingAtheist response to "Damsel in Distress"Funny story: I played in the world of warcraft beta (and will assume some familiarity with the game from here on), and originally the female models for horde races were like their male counterparts- hunch-backed, meaty, and somewhat generally misshapen. It was a very frequent complaint on the message boards. The girl gamers did not like the models. So much so that many of them expressed a preference to leave the guilds they were so attached to because those guilds were playing the horde side, an… | /r/MensRights | 08/03/13 07:51 PM |
| 6 | Feminisms concern for men's issues "Sorry I hurt your manfeelz"Or possibly that they are trolling. Like when people joke about putting feminists in the sammich mines. | /r/MensRights | 08/03/13 07:09 PM |
| 4 | Strip clubs are demeaning to menI've always found them to be pretty repulsive for everyone involved, but... it's all consensual, so far be it from me to judge either the men or the women. I don't know if it is a common thing or not, but one of the two times I have been to a strip club, there was an emcee basically insulting the audience, calling them gay, egging them to spend more money. I did not understand what the attraction was. | /r/MensRights | 08/03/13 06:15 PM |
| 0 | My theory: Women simply do not understand male sexualitywell, to be fair, it's being discussed in europe right now... http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/07/european-porn-ban-proposal-regulate-internet-pornography-media_n_2828633.html?ir=Technology | /r/MensRights | 08/03/13 05:57 PM |
| 6 | Help with female feminist friend. Says she wouldn't date someone that didn't call them self feminist.She has the right to decide stuff like that. My answer would be "that's cool- I get it. I would never date a feminist, myself." | /r/MensRights | 08/03/13 04:14 PM |
| 63 | Feminisms concern for men's issues "Sorry I hurt your manfeelz"yeah, I was laughing yesterday when I saw that some of the gender studies students who attended the lecture at the university of toronto were tweeting their criticism with the tag #manup those classes you take; do you think you're learning anything in them? | /r/MensRights | 08/03/13 04:05 PM |
| 1 | I would appreciate a little help from MensRights with my essay..you should definitely check out this video as well, particularly when the off-duty cop fails to care about the guy being assaulted. | /r/MensRights | 08/03/13 03:58 PM |
| 1 | Looking for a video linkthat's the one! thanks | /r/MensRights | 08/03/13 03:52 PM |
| 1 | I would appreciate a little help from MensRights with my essay..man, I know the video you are talking about. I wish I could find it... | /r/MensRights | 08/03/13 06:18 AM |
| 3 | Fire alarm pulled at U of T talk two minutes before it began.either that or they focus on "healthy men's issues" like: how do we better accommodate women, and similar positive, feminist endorsed examinations of masculinity | /r/MensRights | 08/03/13 05:31 AM |
| 2 | [Update] My feminist studies class will hate me for this one.Yes. A belief that is logically indefensible should be abandoned. | /r/MensRights | 08/03/13 03:12 AM |
| 12 | It's out: Damsel in Distress: Part 1 - Tropes vs Women in Video GamesIt'll be interesting to see the "flip the script" section. You actually DO rescue men in video games all the time- but they tend to be nameless npcs. A man in need of rescue is not regarded as particularly important. | /r/MensRights | 08/03/13 02:26 AM |
| 53 | Fire alarm pulled at U of T talk two minutes before it began.Thank god that young, progressive, media-saavy socialist students at U of T don't know about the streisand effect | /r/MensRights | 08/03/13 01:51 AM |
| 1 | Patriarchy and Demonstrability: A systematic demolition of the theory that "patriarchy" causes discriminationthe srs thread is a fun read, but it seems like every response can be summed up as saying "nuh uh!" | /r/MensRights | 07/03/13 11:58 PM |
| 12 | "I am tired of rape culture in the gaming world." by Gaming As WomenI'm just going to touch on this: I am tired of feeling unsafe for the mere act of expressing an opinion. I'm assuming that this isn't at lan parties or something- if you feel unsafe at home in front of a computer because of things people are saying to you in a video game on the internet... FEELING safe is not something that you attach to BEING safe. | /r/MensRights | 07/03/13 09:02 PM |
| 2 | Boys scream at a girl, but do nothing remotely sexual: rape culture!What's weird is that they claimed that the fact that it was a group made it something other than bullying. It makes me think that the author has never been bullied. | /r/MensRights | 07/03/13 08:06 PM |
| 1 | Curious to know what MensRights thinks of this article, "Sexist Men Like Big Boobs?"Whenever I see something like this, I try to find the actual study, because it is usually misrepresented beyond recognition. This may be one of those times. Supposedly this study was in the february edition of the archives of sexual behavior, by "the university of westminster". Am I doing this right? Because I went to the list of articles in the february edition and for the life of me, I can't figure out which study this is supposedly about. | /r/MensRights | 07/03/13 06:59 PM |
| 5 | Ryerson University Student Union asserts that "misandry doesn't exist" and smears egalitarian students trying to start a Men's Issues clubIt's easy to forget exactly how much of an other men are to some women. | /r/MensRights | 07/03/13 03:30 PM |
| 3 | The meaning of misogyny, sexism and objectificationthat's exactly the sneaky point I was trying to make. | /r/MensRights | 07/03/13 07:53 AM |
| 2 | I would appreciate a little help from MensRights with my essay..Do any of you know of any good films or shows I might want to look into? That deal with it as an issue? Not off the top of my head. Turn on the television for 10 minutes and you should see "comic" violence against men, which will give you a sense of how normalized it is. [Here are some examples] (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tebYr9fBf9U) Regarding your theory, absolutely. Feminism: women are both strong and independent and vulnerable and need extra protections. Whichever is more convenient. So… | /r/MensRights | 07/03/13 07:01 AM |
| 6 | Idiotic "condom ban" in NYCthat's pretty awful. | /r/MensRights | 07/03/13 06:52 AM |
| 2 | So apparently most men are hidden rapists at heartEither that, or you think that rapists are susceptible to those incentives, despite your belief that rape is bad. And you think that not doing those things is practical risk reduction. Weird how that option never occurs in this debate. | /r/MensRights | 07/03/13 03:47 AM |
| 3 | What's wrong with VAWA? Well, for starters, it's not reducing violence.comments: honestly I see this as one more thing against heterosexual males... people don't look at these things for what they truly are... and time to start chopping of some penis's ...yeah. there is no such thing as misandry. /s I have a lot of issues with the violence against women act, but I really don't think that starting with having a problem with the name of the act is petty. | /r/MensRights | 07/03/13 12:39 AM |
| 2 | Clark University Surveyno idea- I'm just passing on the request | /r/MensRights | 06/03/13 11:23 PM |
| 3 | The meaning of misogyny, sexism and objectificationI disagree with objectification. Objectification is when you view a person as an object- something to which things are done- rather than an actor or agent. This is what is meant when people say agency- recognition of your ability to do take actions, and be accountable for your actions. This is not how it is usually used, because many people know the term without understanding the theory behind it. That's why a woman kicking ass in skimpy clothing (clearly an actor in control of her identity, alb… | /r/MensRights | 06/03/13 09:15 PM |
| 2 | How does /r/mensrights feel about this woman who stalked her ex boyfriend online? What if the genders were reversed?upvote because this is a badass post. | /r/MensRights | 06/03/13 07:40 PM |
| 1 | Anita Sarkeesian finally delivering? Tropes Vs. Women in videogames.We'll see when the video comes out, but there is probably a very good essay in that. | /r/MensRights | 06/03/13 05:50 PM |
| 1 | A question/rant about the "Objectification" in modern society.and it persists even today, when we are at risk of overpopulating the planet. It's reminds me of the five monkey experiment | /r/MensRights | 06/03/13 05:25 PM |
| 1 | A bit of info about Marissa Mayer's (CEO of Yahoo) work at Google just blew my mind. (Or how equality can be achieved by someone denying all association with feminism)... but I think we agree that rewarding smart work also provides an incentive not to abuse the benefit. | /r/MensRights | 06/03/13 05:22 PM |
| 1 | A bit of info about Marissa Mayer's (CEO of Yahoo) work at Google just blew my mind. (Or how equality can be achieved by someone denying all association with feminism)I'm definitely familiar with the concept of working smarter than harder, and have worked with my fair share of relatively worthless people who like to hang around the office late talking to anyone who will listen about how hard they work. And I've had stupid managers who base their performance evaluations on whose cars are still in the parking lot at 8 pm (never mind if that employee arrived at 11 am). If you work more hours you'll likely have more opportunity to fill in bonus quotas in whatever… | /r/MensRights | 06/03/13 05:17 PM |
| 2 | A question/rant about the "Objectification" in modern society.agreed (I actually make the same argument elsewhere in this thread), but I will point out that women without looks find themselves abandoned by society a lot less than men. The glass floor protects them- a man without utility is invisible to the world around him. | /r/MensRights | 06/03/13 04:55 PM |
| 1 | A bit of info about Marissa Mayer's (CEO of Yahoo) work at Google just blew my mind. (Or how equality can be achieved by someone denying all association with feminism)Please take your camel-mentality, and read through the rest of Zarathustra. heh. sorry, I'm sure this is a witty and incisive dig, but lost on me. You'll have to unpack that for me if you want me to understand you. penalizing them based on the work ethic of people who don't have kids or anything else in their life Actually, it is REWARDING that work ethic, not penalizing the lack of it. You'll notice that I proposed this as a response to the idea of PROMOTING those who worked harder. I'm not pro… | /r/MensRights | 06/03/13 03:45 PM |
| 12 | Feminist student's take on the false rape report at my University.bad statistics (a list of studies). complete forgiveness for the perpetrator of the fraud. no empathy for the falsely accused. most classic "wtf" moment was when neither of the participants in the alleged act were necessarily qualified to assess if rape had happened what kills me is that she seems like a smart young woman who has been completely failed by an expensive and exclusive university. This is what indoctrination looks like. | /r/MensRights | 06/03/13 07:38 AM |
| 1 | Abortion Bill Veto Overridden By Arkansas State Senate- This is a serious problem for both men and women.I think you and I have different ideas of what research entails. | /r/MensRights | 06/03/13 07:17 AM |
| 0 | A question/rant about the "Objectification" in modern society.As if one gender's sex fantasy wasn't the other gender's power fantasy. Oh right, because there is no power associated with being stunningly attractive. | /r/MensRights | 06/03/13 06:19 AM |
| 3 | Male hatred in the classroom.What books are you discussing? | /r/MensRights | 06/03/13 06:08 AM |
| 4 | A healthy little exercise.I think one area women have it worse is that they are acculturated to be fearful. While statistically, men are more at risk to things like violence, I think that women, on average, are more concerned over the risk. While it may be true that women are safer than men, I think women FEEL less safe than men. And it must suck. | /r/MensRights | 06/03/13 04:25 AM |
| 2 | Abortion Bill Veto Overridden By Arkansas State Senate- This is a serious problem for both men and women.What, exactly would this research seek to ascertain? | /r/MensRights | 06/03/13 04:10 AM |
| 3 | Abortion Bill Veto Overridden By Arkansas State Senate- This is a serious problem for both men and women.when you start weighting your risk assessment exercise with probabilities, it gets really muddy. We KNOW that eliminating abortion will result in horrific attempts at DIY, unwanted children having the sort of painful life that drives them to criminality, which also makes life worse for everyone, and - sorry to say this but it is true- the wasted potential of young people on track for great things but are unable to stay the course now that they are unplanned parents. Contrast that against the (ve… | /r/MensRights | 06/03/13 03:56 AM |
| 3 | Abortion Bill Veto Overridden By Arkansas State Senate- This is a serious problem for both men and women.video expanding on annarchist's point about crime rates | /r/MensRights | 06/03/13 03:33 AM |
| 2 | I've got some questions about MRAs, abortion and feminism, can anyone help?I'd appreciate the organizations working towards greater reproductive freedom, but I wouldn't think any differently about concepts like patriarchy. I don't know if this is relevant to you, but I have volunteered at planned parenthood and escorted men and women to the facilities through shaming protesters. Just to point out that not all pro-choice advocates are feminists. | /r/MensRights | 06/03/13 02:42 AM |
| 1 | A bit of info about Marissa Mayer's (CEO of Yahoo) work at Google just blew my mind. (Or how equality can be achieved by someone denying all association with feminism)At least the employee who requires less accommodation should be remembered at bonus time. | /r/MensRights | 06/03/13 12:32 AM |
| 1 | Gender studies expert identifies the "real" gun problem: "the real cause of violence in the heterosexual family: male intimate partners who possess guns."I see the problem: Gun manufacturers use marketing and advertising to convince women that owning a gun will protect them. Either the author is objectifying women, or the gun manufacturers are. If gun manufacturers were saying that women could use guns for their own protection, then the article would have to take a different tack, like how many women are familiar with the use of guns, or have access to them. Note: I'm specifically not taking a position on gun control here, just pointing out that … | /r/MensRights | 06/03/13 12:24 AM |
| 6 | Saw this on Facebook. What?I'd think that evaluations of whether the minimum wage needed to be raised would have to do with things like... is it a living wage? This poster reads like someone had a lot of money and was trying to figure out whether it would get to more women if they handed it to CEOs or minimum wage workers. | /r/MensRights | 06/03/13 12:15 AM |
| 5 | Carrie Underwood is at it again. If your husband cheats on you it's enough justification you need to kill him.I can forgive most things in music lyrics. | /r/MensRights | 06/03/13 12:07 AM |
| 9 | A question/rant about the "Objectification" in modern society.This is probably a deeper topic than can be summed up in one reddit response, but some key issues: 1) Desirable traits in heterosexual relationships defined by classical gender roles are not identical. Women are traditionally desirable if they are attractive and fertile. Men are traditionally desirable if they are powerful and are good protector/providers. The equivalent of a busty woman in a swimsuit is a rugged man in a tie with a suitcase: because the tie and suitcase are symbols of his viabi… | /r/MensRights | 05/03/13 11:21 PM |
| 3 | A feminist article I can approve of. Srsly.Yeah, a bit. But it isn't unreasonable to want to talk to other women in science, while not having your gender made the primary focus of articles regarding your research. | /r/MensRights | 05/03/13 10:59 PM |
| 8 | A feminist article I can approve of. Srsly.This is a good article. | /r/MensRights | 05/03/13 10:25 PM |
| 15 | The Truth Finally Appears: "Tropes Vs Men" project was most likely a Feminist oriented false-flag smear.Reading the article, I don't see any validation of this interpretation. Simply- we don't know who is behind the project, only that it has disappeared, and that the money doesn't appear to have been donated to the charities it was destined for. It could be a false flag group, or illuminati, or nigerian bankers, or... anything. What it almost certainly is is a scam. Whether the scammers had any interest in men's rights, or feminism, is entirely unsupported conjecture. | /r/MensRights | 05/03/13 10:17 PM |
| 8 | Men's Rights Awareness: "promulgating a variety of falsehoods and inaccuracies that seek to both undermine feminism and also to perpetuate their reactionary ideological myth that men also face systemiIt also led to a subsequent campaign of vicious and obscene intimidation specifically targeting female anti-MRA U of T student activists The fact that he doesn't acknowledge that the U of T protest methodology as one of vicious and obscene intimidation is telling. Blocking the doors, and screaming names at people is fair play. But compiling the tweets, posts, and speeches authored by the activists, and publishing THAT is intimidation. What's really sad is that these protesters are now claiming t… | /r/MensRights | 05/03/13 08:30 PM |
| 0 | Don’t blame the victim, or the photographerYou're trying to make some point about bidirectionality, but I'm not clear on what it is. I think the point you are trying to make is that not all DV bidirectionality is of similar magnitude- but I am not certain what conclusion you want me to draw from that as it relates to my basic point that that is a wider spectrum of DV than is commonly portrayed. It (i.e., this photo log) is not presented as the "whole story" except for "the whole story of this instance." So you disagree with my premise th… | /r/MensRights | 05/03/13 07:19 PM |
| 0 | Don’t blame the victim, or the photographerDefine bidirectional? The study [cited] (http://docserver.ingentaconnect.com/deliver/connect/springer/19466560/v3n2/s8.pdf?expires=1362502390&id=73173567&titleid=41000025&accname=Guest+User&checksum=891644FA9607536405E880201467FA86) doesn't define bi-directional, so I would assume that you take the basic definition of abuse, and assume that activities associated with that definition are being taken by both parties. Does that mean the "instigator" pushed or threw something and that the actual abu… | /r/MensRights | 05/03/13 04:51 PM |
| 3 | Women live about five years longer than men. This gap is closing. So, naturally, the media thinks that is just awful.The wsj is taking a pretty dramatic reporting stance if this is the report they are interpreting This seems like it would be another good example for that video about media bias in science reporting | /r/MensRights | 05/03/13 02:48 AM |
| 2 | Don’t blame the victim, or the photographerFirst let me state what isn't spot on about the narrative of DV. 1) The perpetrator was male. 2) The violence was uni-directional. In fact, men and women engage in domestic violence at roughly equal rates, and 58% of domestic violence is bi-directional. So, this narrative we are talking about- the one in which an innocent women is victim of a predatory man, represents (.5 * .42 = ) 21% of domestic violence. When I say that the photographer is being manipulative, I mean that she has presented a s… | /r/MensRights | 05/03/13 02:38 AM |
| 4 | Don’t blame the victim, or the photographerI don't know if you noticed when this was submitted a few hours ago I think characterizing criticism of this as "blaming the victim" is disingenuous. People are accusing the artist of being manipulative and perpetuating a fallacious and pernicious narrative around domestic violence, at a time when we are discussing domestic violence. I think you'd have to have a heart of stone not to feel bad for the victim in this case. But what people are upset about is that THIS is the face of domestic violen… | /r/MensRights | 04/03/13 11:07 PM |
| 0 | Planning my future divorce. r/mensrights what do I do to make sure I dont get fucked?!?I'm going to go out on a limb and guess troll. | /r/MensRights | 04/03/13 07:54 PM |
| 2 | Curious to see what r/mensrights thinks of this recent photo essayand the fact that I even have to point this out is an affirmation that this piece fails as art or soft news- there is an opportunity for public education that was missed, to the detriment of the conversation on domestic violence. | /r/MensRights | 04/03/13 07:20 PM |
| 3 | Curious to see what r/mensrights thinks of this recent photo essayIf the goal was to report the statistically probable, then they should have selected a situation where the intimate partner violence was bi-directional, as 58% is. | /r/MensRights | 04/03/13 07:18 PM |
| 3 | Curious to see what r/mensrights thinks of this recent photo essayIt's a good photo essay demonstrating the dominant narrative around domestic violence. Unfortunately, it reinforces the idea that the only form of domestic violence that exists is man on woman, where the woman is non participatory. I think one of the purposes of art is to challenge conventional thinking where it is misguided, and this series fails to do that. The craft is very good, but the effect of the piece is to reinforce a shallow and misguided view of domestic violence that actually repres… | /r/MensRights | 04/03/13 05:37 PM |
| 14 | Need male adviceIt probably is somewhat a part of entering your thirties, but I imagine that feeling that your sex drive is a problem probably isn't great for your sex drive. Libido does decrease with age, but the state of the relationship also plays a part. But... once or twice a week isn't actually amazingly infrequent. I can't give relationship advice, but I can confirm that there doesn't seem to be anything wrong with your sex drive. And there's nothing wrong with not wanting to have sex when you arent in t… | /r/MensRights | 04/03/13 01:45 AM |
| 1 | TIL - The Good Men Project, a collection of 31 stories of men sharing their stories on what it means to be a "good man," is self-published and was turned down by 50 publishers on the premise that "menMany of the articles in the good man project are centered around the premise that masculinity needs to be re-thought (good) but does so entirely in a manner of how men relate to women. With a few notable exceptions, I find the articles to be timid, and that ideas put forward there are only to be considered valid if approved by the feminists involved. It would be better named the "good boy" project. The name "the good man project" has, in it's title, the idea that men aren't good, and that we nee… | /r/MensRights | 03/03/13 09:47 PM |
| 2 | Different levels of "rape" needed in law?How about distinctions of whether intent and/or malice was present or not? It seems like with other forms of violence, even murder, we have legal distinctions between "degrees", and that rape is a curious exception to this policy... | /r/MensRights | 03/03/13 06:16 PM |
| 1 | Yahoo’s at home working ban: Why It’s a Working-Dad Issue TooI've known both types (I hated telecommuting because I couldnt stop working, for instance). I guess I am just reporting what I have heard reported. I'm not indicting telecommuting in general, but in the specific as reported at yahoo. If this is just a big case of he-said, she-said; it seems to be one where yahoo employees say one thing, and journalists say another. In the several articles I have seen linked here, whenever someone AT yahoo is interviewed, they admit that there was widespread abus… | /r/MensRights | 03/03/13 06:03 PM |
| 6 | Is the Transgendered obsession with denying Straight Men the disclosure we deserve a Men's Rights issue?I think it is a basic human right to choose who you want to sleep with. If you don't want to sleep with a transwoman, I don't think anyone should be able to tell you that you have to. I fully support her right to being treated as a full human being, and have her womanhood respected- but those rights end with her ability to deceive someone else into having sex with her when that person would otherwise be disinclined to. She doesn't have to respect the reason why, but she does have to respect the … | /r/MensRights | 03/03/13 07:41 AM |
| 3 | Yahoo’s at home working ban: Why It’s a Working-Dad Issue TooMaybe it isn't Yahoo's fault so much as the employees who were abusing the system, and their direct managers who didn't do their jobs. This is a funny issue for me, because I'm not nearly as conservative as a lot of the MRM (I think that cooperation should be evaluated from a game theory standpoint rather than a big/small government standpoint- sometimes the government has a reason to exist, and can enforce efficiencies that people are too stupid to take advantage of on their own). But anyway- t… | /r/MensRights | 03/03/13 06:14 AM |
| 8 | Are you depressed? A lot of men are, but they probably don't know they are, because they haven't been told how to recognize it.I'm glad you're getting help, dalsgaard. You're one of the people on this subreddit I keep friended because you always have something to say worth hearing. Taking our mental and physical health more seriously is something that we need to learn to do, and teach our sons to do. We're not going to see fewer male suicides or longer male lives until we do some things differently. | /r/MensRights | 03/03/13 05:40 AM |
| 3 | [meta] PSA: This subreddit is losing touch and propagating itself as irrational, rather than promoting equality and fair treatment there's a growing tone of needing to lower the status of women ratheryes, I know. and when all you have is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail. if you want to solve the inequity through a small government approach of doing away with child support, that's fine too. | /r/MensRights | 02/03/13 10:45 PM |
| 3 | [meta] PSA: This subreddit is losing touch and propagating itself as irrational, rather than promoting equality and fair treatment there's a growing tone of needing to lower the status of women ratherheh, I'm torn between responding or not, because this isn't the thread in question, but I'm weak, so: I'll concede that it is a complicated issue. But I'll point out that the government already intercedes by forcing the man to pay for the child, so why not intercede to make sure that the child he is paying for is his own. I'm also happy to allow men to opt out of this if they would prefer not to know that they are not actually biological fathers. I have to admit that I cannot wrap my head around… | /r/MensRights | 02/03/13 10:31 PM |
| 2 | [meta] PSA: This subreddit is losing touch and propagating itself as irrational, rather than promoting equality and fair treatment there's a growing tone of needing to lower the status of women ratherOn a side note, I'll admit that posting like this and having a back and forth on reddit it's easy to get pushed into a narrow view. Personally, it's because I get messages from multiple people and it begins to feel like I'm challenging a group, rather than one individual at a time. It becomes difficult to follow the same argument. It'd be much easier to have a more constructive exchange in person, as it's real time and direct. yeah. it is VERY easy to end up arguing with a projection on the inte… | /r/MensRights | 02/03/13 10:20 PM |
| 2 | [meta] PSA: This subreddit is losing touch and propagating itself as irrational, rather than promoting equality and fair treatment there's a growing tone of needing to lower the status of women ratherI guess it depends on your view of the point of the subreddit. I view part of the mission as acting as an interface to the non-redpill world. Those posts offer nothing to /r/mensrights, but they do offer something to the person asking the question. Usually /r/mensrights explains itself exceptionally well, and the resulting thread is a decent primer on mensrights. Your point about false flag pseudo MRAs is a good one, and maybe I've been oblivious to those. | /r/MensRights | 02/03/13 10:09 PM |
| 9 | [meta] PSA: This subreddit is losing touch and propagating itself as irrational, rather than promoting equality and fair treatment there's a growing tone of needing to lower the status of women ratherThere is a difference between a blame game and demanding accountability. | /r/MensRights | 02/03/13 10:01 PM |
| 1 | [meta] PSA: This subreddit is losing touch and propagating itself as irrational, rather than promoting equality and fair treatment there's a growing tone of needing to lower the status of women rather"why cant we get along" posts are repetitive and condescending, but do represent actual interest, and a willingness to dialog (if not read the sidebar). I don't mind seeing them, since most regulars can just copy and paste one of their previous responses. | /r/MensRights | 02/03/13 09:54 PM |
| 5 | [meta] PSA: This subreddit is losing touch and propagating itself as irrational, rather than promoting equality and fair treatment there's a growing tone of needing to lower the status of women ratherFirst: I think the amount of downvoting you recieved was excessive and bad rediquette. I think that downvoting is fine, but after somewhere between 0 and -2, disagreement has been registered adequately for an opinion that just differs. I personally don't downvote unless I think the comment is ignorant, offensive, or trollish, which none of yours were. I'm not a huge fan of the karma system, and your issue is illustrative of why. I do think it is very odd that you view the particular discussion a… | /r/MensRights | 02/03/13 09:50 PM |
| 5 | Women now control 80% of congress through indirect legislative actions.Facts not slogans please. | /r/MensRights | 02/03/13 08:25 PM |
| 56 | I am **so** sick of hearing how "*privileged*" I am just because I'm male.Yeah. Isn't it awesome when someone tells you that you can't see your privilege, but is completely unable to consider that maybe they have some privileges that are invisible the them? | /r/MensRights | 02/03/13 07:15 AM |
| 1 | Today, a 10th grade student of mine gave a speech on how feminism was no longer relevant...fwiw, I'm pro-choice, but recognize that it is a very complicated issue, and can easily understand the pro-life viewpoint. The only people I don't respect on the subject are the people who feel that the answer is clear-cut and obvious, because THOSE are the people who I think aren't treating a serious question with the respect it deserves. | /r/MensRights | 02/03/13 06:57 AM |
| 1 | Today, a 10th grade student of mine gave a speech on how feminism was no longer relevant...It might also be that some of those are books that older folks just loved, and think are better to read when you are young. The catcher in the rye was "old" when I was in high school, but I absolutely think that it is a book written for people in high school. Then again, a lot of my favorite books are "classics"- but I still think that a lot of old books were totally punk rock. I mean, ultimately, I just want younger boys to read stuff that they love, and hope that school provides for that. I ju… | /r/MensRights | 02/03/13 06:50 AM |
| 5 | Feminists crucify ten female house members who had the courage to fight discrimination and bigotry, and voted against VAWA reauthorization. The MRM cannot abandon these 10 brave women to the feministYou have a much more forgiving view of the current crop of politicians, and a lot of these in particular than I do. Some of these women are the phyllis schlaeflys of the modern era. | /r/MensRights | 02/03/13 04:23 AM |
| 1 | Today, a 10th grade student of mine gave a speech on how feminism was no longer relevant...I think the implication was that they would be able to handle operation of an Ipad without difficulty. | /r/MensRights | 02/03/13 03:58 AM |
| 2 | Today, a 10th grade student of mine gave a speech on how feminism was no longer relevant...thank you, it does =P Some friends and I had one of the first web design shops in Boston in the nineties, and I am just 40 years old (granted, I was 21 when we founded the company). And, the math would really look a lot more like 2103 - 1994 = 19; 50 - 19 = 31, being that the internet didn't really hit mainstream until 94ish (1994 was the year that netscape navigator was released) Sorry, just weird to hear you and your friends described as being 10 years older- when you are in your fourties, you… | /r/MensRights | 02/03/13 03:52 AM |
| 0 | Today, a 10th grade student of mine gave a speech on how feminism was no longer relevant...It's fun to think of it from your interpretation too, but... yeah. He writes about the book and the part and marilyn monroe in his book "Music for Chameleons". | /r/MensRights | 02/03/13 01:05 AM |
| 0 | Today, a 10th grade student of mine gave a speech on how feminism was no longer relevant...I don't think so- Capote wrote the book with the movie in mind, and with the part of Holly written for his friend, Marilyn Monroe (who didn't actually get the part when the movie was made). | /r/MensRights | 02/03/13 12:58 AM |
| 2 | Today, a 10th grade student of mine gave a speech on how feminism was no longer relevant...Aw man, Truman Capote is awesome. | /r/MensRights | 02/03/13 12:58 AM |
| 2 | Today, a 10th grade student of mine gave a speech on how feminism was no longer relevant...That may be true of 70 year olds, but the people who are 50 now were in their 20s (prime career ramp-up years) when the internet really took off (1990s) we're in our 40s now =P. Jeeze, it wasn't THAT long ago. | /r/MensRights | 02/03/13 12:49 AM |
| 2 | Can you have equal rights for one party without giving them to the other?I'll answer with a quote from the introduction of Warren Farrell's Myth of Male Power: It will be tempting to see The Myth of Male Power as the flip side of feminism. It is not. Feminism says "The world is patriarchal and male-dominated." The flip side is, "The world is matriarchal and female-dominated." I explain why it is both patriarchal and matriarchal, both male- and female- dominated. The book explains male disposability without denying female disposability (eg, when a man turns in his wif… | /r/MensRights | 01/03/13 08:54 PM |
| 2 | Can you have equal rights for one party without giving them to the other?If one party doesn't have equal rights, but one party does, doesn't that by definition mean that no one really has equal rights because they aren't the same? Yes, but it's probably worth mentioning that equality is always going to be difficult to achieve between two things which are fundamentally different. For example, reproductive freedom is complicated by the fact that women carry a child to term in their uterus. | /r/MensRights | 01/03/13 07:51 PM |
| 2 | Online debate about Iceland's plans to ban online porn.Addendum: If you feel that porn poses a risk to men, I would counsel that a harm reduction strategy to combat these risks would be likely to produce better results than the approach Iceland is considering. | /r/MensRights | 01/03/13 07:20 PM |
| 2 | Stanford Daily | A discussion on feminismI think even casting it as discrimination might distract from the real issue. The issue is that boys are not engaging at school like they used to. 30 years ago, boys did their homework, participated in class, and were not suspended / expelled at anything approaching the rates that they are today. The performance of girls in class relative to boys is more of a useful yardstick in figuring out how we should be prioritizing our gender-specific programs and research. The performance of boys today co… | /r/MensRights | 01/03/13 07:04 PM |
| 22 | Feminists crucify ten female house members who had the courage to fight discrimination and bigotry, and voted against VAWA reauthorization. The MRM cannot abandon these 10 brave women to the feministI'm glad these women stood against VAWA, but I don't think they did it out of any kind of affiliation to the MRA. | /r/MensRights | 01/03/13 06:31 PM |
| 85 | Today, a 10th grade student of mine gave a speech on how feminism was no longer relevant...I honestly think that it is the 10th grade students of today that are where our hopes should be pinned. You see a lot of boys and girls on youtube that- with fresh, open, idealistic minds- are giving youtube feminists and MRAs an equal chance, and usually selecting to be gender egalitarians as a result. It's hard to convince a 30 year old that 15 years of indoctrination (from some very trusted authorities) is wrong. But it isn't hard to make the case for male rights to someone without that bagga… | /r/MensRights | 01/03/13 06:25 PM |
| 4 | Online debate about Iceland's plans to ban online porn.I'd be interested in your links when you get out of work. I won't pretend to be an expert on the subject, and am always happy to learn. Let me start at where you end: I think porn supresses male sexuality I also think that the POINT of porn is to "supress male sexuality" by providing an alternative source of sexual gratification. I also think this is a good thing. It allows men to be more self-sufficient, and able to think more clearly about relationships. My father (65) jokes that people of his… | /r/MensRights | 01/03/13 06:01 PM |
| 2 | A man demanded DNA tests on his kids and then successfully sued his ex-wife for $40,000 when it was proved they weren'tI think it should be mandatory for establishing paternity. There seem to be a statistically significant number of cases where men are being duped into assuming paternity when there isn't. Of course, this won't happen, because "the child is what's important!" | /r/MensRights | 01/03/13 04:32 PM |
| 3 | A man demanded DNA tests on his kids and then successfully sued his ex-wife for $40,000 when it was proved they weren'tI'm honestly curious: Would any significant number of men ACTUALLY not want to know that the child he was about to raise was not his? Nobody seems to judge women for wanting to have their own child rather than adopting. Some people really care about passing on their genes. Part of the tragedy for this man is that he wanted to have children, thought he did, and is now in a committed relationship with someone else who can't give that to him. | /r/MensRights | 01/03/13 04:28 PM |
| 4 | Online debate about Iceland's plans to ban online porn.Pardon my skepticism, but I think this is all about controlling male sexuality. Maybe I have seen too many women who feel entitled to a husband complaining about porn. If the porn actress feels assaulted, then that is one thing. Complaining that you feel assaulted by proxy by porn is just an argument of convenience. The things that turn other people on, that do not turn YOU on, can often be repulsive. So don't watch it. | /r/MensRights | 01/03/13 04:08 PM |
| 3 | "Son's Shorten Mothers' Lives"Oneirosgrip did a really interesting analysis of this yesterday | /r/MensRights | 01/03/13 03:52 PM |
| 25 | A man demanded DNA tests on his kids and then successfully sued his ex-wife for $40,000 when it was proved they weren'tit's the comments that make articles like that so interesting. so many people not even reading the details, and immediately getting outraged that he put his own concerns over the children who aren't his (and, if you read the article, he didn't). Once you are a married man, the most important thing is that you provide for others. Your dreams, ambitions, health, time, and feelings are of no consequence- only your service. | /r/MensRights | 01/03/13 06:29 AM |
| 23 | Lulu app for rating men: It's just as creepy as rating women - SlateWow. I really have nothing but approval of this article. I'm pretty surprised. | /r/MensRights | 01/03/13 06:17 AM |
| 9 | Stanford Daily | A discussion on feminismI saw a post in a feminist subreddit the other day (not linked because I don't want to direct traffic there) in which a man asked basically "hey, it's come to my attention that there are some issues men face- does feminism accommodate that?" an actual answer: Have you read anything about feminism? Deconstructing strict gender roles and toxic masculinity is a major element of most forms of modern feminism. oh great! you're here to help me deconstruct the role of my gender, which is toxic! I've CL… | /r/MensRights | 01/03/13 05:43 AM |
| 9 | Stanford Daily | A discussion on feminismit's really sad. I went to an EXTREMELY liberal school in the early nineties, and the students were serious about freedom of speech. You were allowed to make any argument, free of judgement, if you could defend it. I actually got into mens rights there as the result of a joke- there was a women's center being funded, and I was on student council, and pointed out that if we were funding a women's center, we should fund a men's center. I was just being a smartass at the time, but was the other stu… | /r/MensRights | 01/03/13 04:23 AM |
| 9 | Stanford Daily | A discussion on feminismthe outrage in the comments section is entertaining. | /r/MensRights | 01/03/13 01:10 AM |
| 12 | ...but that's not sexistYour post is a bit wordy. The last paragraph looks like the only one you needed. Wow, I so disagree. If I could require that every post to /r/mensrights be this thoughtful and well sourced, I would in a heartbeat. | /r/MensRights | 01/03/13 12:50 AM |
| 3 | Feminists don't let non-feminists veto their underlying philosophies. Why in the hell should the MRM allow feminists to veto theirs?what are the Men's Rights Movement's underlying philosophies? I think that most of the MRM would agree that the traditional gender role for men involves disposability. And in a lot of the ways you could expand on what disposability means (the expectation of protecting/providing, the invisibility of underperforming men, etc...) | /r/MensRights | 01/03/13 12:30 AM |
| 1 | Is it just me, or is this subreddit getting angrier by the day?now that you mention it, I'd say that seems pretty true of 2013 so far. However, there are still articles like this that seem to be happily accommodated by the MRM umbrella that just floor me as being an obvious example of someone who IS NOT YOUR ALLY. | /r/MensRights | 28/02/13 11:42 PM |
| 1 | /r/Mensrights, I just had an argument with a person who claimed that throughout the world, men are equally as oppressed as women. I have to ask you guys, do you agree?frankly, it's bad enough for everyone in places like the congo that nobody should be neglected. Discussing societal and political oppression of a culture to which you don't belong is an activity that is almost guaranteed to result in you putting your foot in your mouth. I think it's more effective to look at whether basic human needs are being fulfilled, what risks people are exposed to, and how much access to education/information people have. | /r/MensRights | 28/02/13 11:01 PM |
| 5 | "the average joe that oppresses women globally, every day" | Feminist BlogGetting worked up over something you read on femonade is like getting upset that you got wet when you stepped in the shower. It's a distillation of the craziest elements of radical feminism. | /r/MensRights | 28/02/13 10:49 PM |
| 3 | Is it just me, or is this subreddit getting angrier by the day?Too much traffic comes across this subreddit for me to have a good sense of it, I strongly advise to hang out in "new" rather than "hot". I think most of the good discussion never makes it to the front page. The promotion of good news about men and bad news about women is a staple here, and for the... if not good, then at least defensible... reason that it is an attempt to balance out what is highlighted in traditional news. I won't say anything negative about antifeminism, because I happen to a… | /r/MensRights | 28/02/13 10:45 PM |
| 3 | Countering these 'privileges' ?yeah, there is a discussion about actual safety vs percieved safety between the sexes that needs to be had at some point. | /r/MensRights | 28/02/13 10:32 PM |
| 1 | Countering these 'privileges' ?Here's something shocking: a lot of these are true. But they don't exist in a vacuum. While there are countless lists of male privilege on the internet, and innumerable references to "your invisible backpack"- there seem to be remarkably few for female privilege. And even though feminists constantly tell you that yours is invisible to you, it somehow never seems to occur to them that there might be some afforded to them that they can't see- because, as they point out, it has always been there. O… | /r/MensRights | 28/02/13 10:29 PM |
| 22 | "Penetration" aside, how is it not obvious that if a woman in a position of power coerces a man into sex against his will it is RAPE?!Either they are confusing an erection with consent, the lack of enthusiastic physical resistance as consent, or are subscribing to a "women are wonderful" worldview wherein women are inherently too pure to commit such a crime. I guess it is also possible that they don't think sex is sex unless you are penetrated, although a woman could use a tool to penetrate a man. | /r/MensRights | 28/02/13 06:52 PM |
| 6 | /r/Mensrights, I just had an argument with a person who claimed that throughout the world, men are equally as oppressed as women. I have to ask you guys, do you agree?What is the metric for oppression? Generally I think that entering the oppression olympics is ineffective because if relies on false equivalencies, and nonproductive because human rights are human rights, and everyone is entitled to them. I will say that, while we hear a lot about the horrible abuse of women in the congo, there is remarkably little coverage on the extent to which men are being raped there, and the social approbation that these victims are treated to afterwards. We also tend to, … | /r/MensRights | 28/02/13 06:44 PM |
| 1 | How do you explain the movies and tv shows that are saturated with men? Don't talk to me about what they do or how they are presented. I'm talking numbers only. And the fact that men outnumber women iI think maybe there are some tangential ideas that don't directly answer your question, but are relevant to the subject- and are sort of known to most of the MRM, but not outside of the MRM. 1) Men do not show in-group preference. Women do. What this means is that when polled, women are statistically more sympathetic to women. Men are also more statistically sympathetic to women. 2) When accommodating social norms, both men and women are likely to let women set the standards of acceptable social… | /r/MensRights | 28/02/13 06:28 PM |
| 4 | How should men act around children? - Today's exercise in creep shaming and self-loathingwhat really saddens me is that he doesn't even try to provide statistics to his claims. He's internalized the basic "toxicity" of masculinity so much that he has abandoned hopes for acceptance and happiness, and just accepted that he is a dirty second class citizen because he was born with a penis. | /r/MensRights | 28/02/13 05:56 PM |
| 1 | Traditionalism and feminism, the great gynocentrisms of our time - YouTubeI just got around to watching this. There is a really strong point to be made here about the pass the MRM gives traditionalism while being resolutely critical of feminism. | /r/MensRights | 28/02/13 05:49 PM |
| 1 | Maybe the baby/abortion decision could be more fair to menI think this woman has her heart in the right place, but still doesn't view men as equal human beings. The first intimation of this is in the statement: While I do believe that the male (in a relationship in which the two respect each other) should be informed of a pregnancy and be involved in a discussion of the options So, a man's rights to be aware of his parental status is contingent on the woman's feelings. If the father is no longer in a relationship, or the mother doesn't "respect" him, h… | /r/MensRights | 28/02/13 05:44 PM |
| 1 | VAWA Bill Likely To Pass Congress This Week, Despite Violating First AmendmentSo, if it is an abridgement of the constitution, is there any legal recourse available to men? Any lawyers want to chime in? | /r/MensRights | 28/02/13 05:27 PM |
| 1 | A classmate of mine just posted this. Where do I even start?Without knowing what's been said in the class, it's hard to know how to evaluate this post. | /r/MensRights | 28/02/13 05:39 AM |
| 2 | Hey Guys, I'm writing a paper, and I could really use your help.There's really a separate conversation we could have on how it is processed. The experience was confusing and disturbing, and gave me a very vivid mental picture of what awful sex was like, but it also didn't traumatize me the way I am assured that rape victims should be. No "triggers". No eating disorders or nightmares or cutting or anything like that- just a visceral reaction to being approached aggressively by women I wasn't interested in, and a complete disinterest in a certain body type. | /r/MensRights | 28/02/13 03:40 AM |
| 2 | Hey Guys, I'm writing a paper, and I could really use your help.[here's an article] (http://www.genderratic.com/p/836/manufacturing-female-victimhood-and-marginalizing-vulnerable-men/) that will help you understand some of the difficulties you are going to run into researching this. Until extremely recently most definitions of rape required that the rapist use a penis to commit the act. Anecdotally, when I was in college, I awoke one evening to find that an underclassmen I hardly knew had let herself into my campus housing, entered my room, taken off her clo… | /r/MensRights | 28/02/13 03:21 AM |
| 2 | Feminist group uses false rape "triggering" claim to shut down speaker at conferenceA feminist organization presented a threat, and in his judgement, it was a better strategy to cave. Both parties played a part. | /r/MensRights | 27/02/13 11:12 PM |
| 8 | With all of the flame wars between MRAs and Feminists, can we have a legitimate and peaceful discussion about what exactly Victim Blaming is?Let's talk about agency in the context of victim blaming. An agent acts, an object is acted upon. In the world of gender equality, denying people their agency is generally viewed as a very bad thing. However, when you excuse the victim from any responsibility for their decisions, you insist that they were acted upon, and that nothing could have been done to avoid the crime. In other words, you objectify them. Let's return to your dark alley example. This is a bad part of town. Rape is a danger t… | /r/MensRights | 27/02/13 10:54 PM |
| 4 | Why is feminism a pejorative word in this subreddit?Moderate feminist organizations, yes. Who would you put forward as a moderate feminist organization? | /r/MensRights | 27/02/13 09:19 PM |
| 5 | Why is feminism a pejorative word in this subreddit?on what grounds? | /r/MensRights | 27/02/13 08:59 PM |
| 8 | Why is feminism a pejorative word in this subreddit?I selected these examples because both organizations are moderate, highly funded, bastions of modern feminism. I selected them, as opposed to examples of radical feminism, in anticipation of objections of "those are extremists! most feminism isn't like that!" Every time an anti-feminist gives an example, the comfortable answer is "that's an isolated occurrance" even when, as here, the example relates to a fundamental institution of the movement. When a president I don't like does something bad i… | /r/MensRights | 27/02/13 08:40 PM |
| 17 | Why is feminism a pejorative word in this subreddit?Because moderate feminist organizations such as the National Organization of Women and the American Association of University Women conduct efforts that result in much of the adversity that men and boys currently face, such as the difficulties in attaining access to your children, and the crisis that boys today face in public education. Your post reflects the assumption of purity that is unthinkingly granted feminism. Do you know about the tender years doctrine? Do you know that the National Org… | /r/MensRights | 27/02/13 08:23 PM |
| 78 | Feminist group uses false rape "triggering" claim to shut down speaker at conferenceTextbook hypoagency. This is infuriating to me because security conferences MATTER. If you care about computer security, these conferences are important. If you don't care, it's because you are blissfully unaware of how important computer security actually is to you. The approach of the Ada Institute is that the social norms of the community is more important than the product of the community. The idea that hackerthons- a community whose constituency is, by default, antisocial, unconventional, a… | /r/MensRights | 27/02/13 08:02 PM |
| 0 | Feminist group uses false rape "triggering" claim to shut down speaker at conferenceI think the formatting is consistent with the community. Nothing stood out to me when I read it, although I think that it assumes a lot of familiarity with hacker culture. | /r/MensRights | 27/02/13 07:39 PM |
| 2 | BF is a rapist when it suits her. The hypocrisy burns.are we talking about the story as reported, or are we speculating on the honesty of a stranger on the internet? | /r/MensRights | 27/02/13 05:13 PM |
| 1 | BF is a rapist when it suits her. The hypocrisy burns.However she chooses to handle the reporting, it is still sexual assault. Actions have a factual existence independent of the narrative created around them. | /r/MensRights | 27/02/13 05:04 PM |
| 1 | BF is a rapist when it suits her. The hypocrisy burns.Both men and women survivors of domestic abuse tend to stay with their significant others, even after being put in the hospital. Is it so hard to imagine that victims of sexual assault would behave so differently? People aren't rational creatures, especially when they are traumatized. | /r/MensRights | 27/02/13 04:49 PM |
| 3 | BF is a rapist when it suits her. The hypocrisy burns.I don't really follow your indictment of this post- it sounds like they were going to have sex, then it turned out that neither of them had a condom, so she decided she didn't want to have unprotected sex, told him, and then was physically forced into sex. That sounds like pretty unambiguous rape to me. I'm all for having a more mature discussion of rape, but the story as presented is pretty straightforward. | /r/MensRights | 27/02/13 04:39 PM |
| 1 | Men still don't have workplace flexibility.First- you're right- there are some offices where I have seen people who stay late but don't accomplish much rewarded above people who put in less time and accomplish a great deal more. Unskilled managers rely too much on time spent in the office as a metric of value. But i would argue that LOTS of businesses apportion work in the way you describe. Almost all blue-collar work is handled this way. But at a certain pay grade, your job is to find ways to create value. You assemble a team of people … | /r/MensRights | 27/02/13 04:02 PM |
| 5 | This article calls for feminists to term MRAs "Men's Power Advocates," citing the MRA movement as inherently anti-feminist.There are some really fantastic comments on that page. It's so rare to find a feminist blog that will actually post responses that disagree with them. And can I just say: I LOVE that she used custody as an example of MRA hysteria trying to lay a product of the patriarchy at feminism's feet, only to learn about the history of the tender years doctrine. There couldn't be a more apt demonstration of why antifeminist perspectives are needed for gender equality. | /r/MensRights | 27/02/13 07:13 AM |
| 1 | A Tumblr user's infograph on how 'Reverse Sexism' against Men doesn't exist, and 4chan /pol/'s (slightly juvenile) response to itI think you and I probably agree in a lot of ways on that- that's basically the argument that our social structures evolved around reproduction, with men being more expendable, and the apparent power structure and responsibility providing a social bribe for that expendability. But I think that power can be divided into the overt and the covert, and that overt power has traditionally been the domain of men, whereas women exerted tremendous influence through covert power. | /r/MensRights | 27/02/13 05:23 AM |
| 5 | A Tumblr user's infograph on how 'Reverse Sexism' against Men doesn't exist, and 4chan /pol/'s (slightly juvenile) response to itthat's the classic dodge- "patriarchy isn't really about MEN- it's about a SYSTEM". Sometimes the dodge will go so far as to try to use the term "kyriarchy", which at least doesn't assign a gender to this evil system. But then, you find out that the presumption is the same- men in power keeping men in power to benefit men at the expense of women. Sometimes it will be acknowledged that, yes, other men are sometimes harmed- but even so it will usually be in terms of not being allowed to be sensiti… | /r/MensRights | 27/02/13 04:38 AM |
| 2 | Comprehensive list of Men's Rights issues?add in one form of reproductive freedom (the condom)(ok 2 if you count vasectomies). presumption of guilt in domestic disturbances, often carried to extremes where the woman can't even intervene to have police action waived. difficulties getting access to their children. | /r/MensRights | 27/02/13 04:31 AM |
| 10 | A Tumblr user's infograph on how 'Reverse Sexism' against Men doesn't exist, and 4chan /pol/'s (slightly juvenile) response to itthe key point is that if this is true, then they are viewed this way by the voting majority, ie, women. | /r/MensRights | 27/02/13 03:12 AM |
| 27 | A Tumblr user's infograph on how 'Reverse Sexism' against Men doesn't exist, and 4chan /pol/'s (slightly juvenile) response to itI still find it funny that under-representation of women in government in a democracy with a majority of women voters is "patriarchy". | /r/MensRights | 26/02/13 11:24 PM |
| 18 | My reception as a female MRAand/or incapable of being responsible for their actions | /r/MensRights | 26/02/13 11:12 PM |
| 129 | My reception as a female MRAHonestly,I'm not sure that being a woman is a disadvantage in this regard. You wouldn't receive any better treatment as a man, and as a man you are stuck arguing from a position of self interest. As a woman you are treated as a traitor and an idiot. As a man you are treated as an ignorant and malicious thug. The real issue is that you are challenging cherished sacred beliefs that provide a sense of justified entitlement. You're going to face a lot of resistance, especially since people perceive … | /r/MensRights | 26/02/13 11:02 PM |
| 5 | "Through a rapists eyes" Tips given out for people to avoid being raped by men.I'm strongly for empowering women to feel that there are things that they can do to protect themselves against rape. The imagery of a pretty young white woman being silenced by a big black hand was a little icky though. | /r/MensRights | 26/02/13 10:50 PM |
| 2 | Feminist icon and Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer builds nursery for her daughter in her office ... then bans working from home for everyone else, saying "if they couldn’t or wouldn’t they should quit."completely agreed | /r/MensRights | 26/02/13 07:30 PM |
| 4 | Feminist icon and Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer builds nursery for her daughter in her office ... then bans working from home for everyone else, saying "if they couldn’t or wouldn’t they should quit."The problem is twofold. If people are abusing the telecommuting (not flex time, technically) then fire them. Well, ok- a CEO isn't going to make that kind of minute decision. Clearly she feels that the current paradigm is causing more problems than it solves. Also, there really are people who are extremely competent reliable in one work context, and not another. Finally, who knows what the expense of that kind of layoff would be for the company? That seems quite arrogant to say the least. Agreed… | /r/MensRights | 26/02/13 07:08 PM |
| 5 | Men still don't have workplace flexibility.The problem is that business is competitive. You want to work with people that will do what it takes to compete. When someone on your proposal team leaves to attend a soccer game, stigma follows. It's not that you think that that person is a bad person- in fact, they are a great mother/father. It's just that that person is NOT a person you want on your team when chasing business aggressively. There are jobs that offer more flexibility, but they don't pay as well. Because someone who can't commit… | /r/MensRights | 26/02/13 06:45 PM |
| 16 | Feminist icon and Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer builds nursery for her daughter in her office ... then bans working from home for everyone else, saying "if they couldn’t or wouldn’t they should quit."Honestly, as a single professional, there is absolutely nothing controversial about this to me. Employees say that there was a lot of abuse of the flex time at yahoo, and I would believe it. Some employees do not have the ethic to be productive unsupervised, and there IS an value to the alchemy of working together as a team- even though the individuals in question rarely see it. There are times I hate working at the office because I seem to spend the entire day answering questions, getting dragg… | /r/MensRights | 26/02/13 06:34 PM |
| 2 | Racists in MensRights. What is our official position?Good fix. I meant to say that the rights referred to in "men's rights" were the rights of men of all colors. | /r/MensRights | 25/02/13 06:23 PM |
| 6 | Racists in MensRights. What is our official position?Two members is not aligning. Supporting that subreddit, or espousing its' ideology would be aligning. No matter what you believe, there will be other people that you don't like who happen to agree with you on that issue. I don't like racism. At all. But I also don't like your tactic of calling out two users who haven't been posting anything objectionable to this subreddit in an attempt to police them. It's a fascist tactic. My feeling is that Men's Rights is for men of all colors, and we should … | /r/MensRights | 25/02/13 05:56 PM |
| 1 | I am not a regular /r/Mensrights poster, but I am a researcher. I discovered men not only receive longer sentences, but are more likely to receive longer sentences if they are fathersAre you arguing that the gender expectation for women is to be a protector/provider for the family? Also: yes, we are entirely in the realm of gender stereotypes. We're speculating as to the cause of a particular bias. | /r/MensRights | 22/02/13 11:48 PM |
| 2 | I am not a regular /r/Mensrights poster, but I am a researcher. I discovered men not only receive longer sentences, but are more likely to receive longer sentences if they are fathersSorry, I am not sure I follow. Could you elaborate? | /r/MensRights | 21/02/13 11:31 PM |
| 26 | I am not a regular /r/Mensrights poster, but I am a researcher. I discovered men not only receive longer sentences, but are more likely to receive longer sentences if they are fathersMen are still expected to be protectors and providers for their families. An unmarried man is not fulfilling the implied social contract. | /r/MensRights | 21/02/13 07:29 AM |
| 5 | Can someone explain what a "White Knight" is?a lot of anti-feminists are aware that not all people who describe themselves as feminists are misandrist zealots. They remain anti-feminist because they feel that the term "feminism" has a social cache that protects "feminist" organizations or thinkers from criticism because it imparts a certain sacred quality to them. Also, radical feminists don't worry anti-feminists nearly as much as the National Organization of Women, and American Association of Educated Women do- even though those organiza… | /r/MensRights | 21/02/13 07:16 AM |
| 2 | Can someone explain what a "White Knight" is?I don't think there is a term for that because it is a really uncommon behavior. There are studies for this that I don't have readily available, but women have been shown to have an in-group preference for women. Men also have an out-group preference for women. Both sexes tend to side with women. Obviously, this is a statistical trend, not an absolute rule. And, now that I think about it, the slur that is usually used for that phenomenon would probably be "misogynist". | /r/MensRights | 21/02/13 07:09 AM |
| 8 | Can someone explain what a "White Knight" is?I don't even think that the actual possibility needs to be there. People will white knight for strangers on the internet. If you were to get jungian about it, you'd say they were courting their anima, but however you want to dress it up, it's not a rational impulse. The motivations for white knighting are probably more complex than just feminine approval- you could wrap in things like the urge to satisfy a protector role, and responses to neoteny/ the general belief that women should be protecte… | /r/MensRights | 21/02/13 07:03 AM |
| 55 | Can someone explain what a "White Knight" is?A white knight is a man who tries to win feminine approval by acting as a woman's champion and intervening on her behalf without understanding the conflict he is inserting himself into. Women often hate this, and use the term derogatorily because they can fight their own fights, thank you. Men often hate this and use the term derogatorily because they don't like being presumed the bad guy in a conflict. And basically, nobody likes an ass. The predilection of men to do this is one of the most obv… | /r/MensRights | 20/02/13 11:55 PM |
| 2 | "Hiring should favour male, minority teachers: Toronto school board" - good news for positive male role models in schools!I think we agree on that. I'm just not sure that affirmative action is the best way to resolve that issue. | /r/MensRights | 20/02/13 11:41 PM |
| 2 | Anyone else mildly annoyed by the term "masculism"?I don't follow: are you complaining about the word, or the practice of examining the role a gender? Do you think that concepts like male disposability are invalid, or do you just have a problem with grouping them into a category? Feminism is criticized here for patriarchy theory, intersectionality, skewed versions of history, misandry, and most importantly, campaigning to deny men equality under law. It's not criticized because of the name. | /r/MensRights | 20/02/13 10:18 PM |
| 9 | This was posted on my facebook wall. Very frustrating.While we're at it, let's teach kids not to break those other laws too. Then we won't need police or jails! | /r/MensRights | 20/02/13 08:14 PM |
| 10 | "Hiring should favour male, minority teachers: Toronto school board" - good news for positive male role models in schools!I'm actually torn on this. I think boys should see men in education, and that it should feel like a boy-friendly environment, but I'm skeptical of affirmative action as the way to accomplish this. As a white, heterosexual, male software engineer that has (reportedly, by the people trying to recruit me) been passed up for desirable jobs in favor of less skilled but more diverse applicants, I feel some compassion and empathy for the women who feel discriminated against by this policy. | /r/MensRights | 19/02/13 09:59 PM |
| 1 | Looking for a studyI asked him at the AMA today. His response: "re: the question about virginity. the source is Michael Levine of Levine Breaking News. See LBNElert.com." unfortunately, I cant find it in their archives. | /r/MensRights | 19/02/13 09:25 PM |
| 21 | Here's my comment under new college newspaper article that trivializes the victimization of the wrongly accusedIt's astonishing that this would not be approved. College should be a place of reasoned discourse and intellectual courage. | /r/MensRights | 19/02/13 04:12 PM |
| 1 | It's women like this who justify this subreddit.was hopping in to say the same thing. The breastfeeding bit is similar to something said in earnest at radfemhub, but the "circumcision to take away sexual pleasure when he grows up" gives it away. | /r/MensRights | 19/02/13 03:46 PM |
| 2 | AMA with Dr Warren Farrell, Tuesday 19th February at 1000 PST, 1300 EST, 1800 GMTI don't anticipate the shitstorm everyone else seems to be expecting. I mean, I do expect that some people from /r/shitredditsays will show up to "confront" him with some talking points, but I've only seen him criticized for two things- the chapter on rape in The Myth of Male Power, and a penthouse interview in 1976. And criticism of those two things relies on serious quotemining. In actuality, Warren Farrell doesn't like rape at all, and doesn't think people should be having sex with their kids… | /r/MensRights | 18/02/13 11:37 PM |
| 1 | Is sex even an option anymore?It's important not to confuse frequency of reporting with frequency of occurance. Condoms are smart for a variety of reasons, but are never sure-fire. Nonetheless, if you date intelligently, use condoms, avoid cohabitation and marriage, you should save most of your worry for the fact that you drive a car, and that bad habits/stress will put your heart at risk, because those are much more statistically likely to hurt you. Awareness is good, but we need to watch out for a wide variety of cognitive… | /r/MensRights | 18/02/13 06:11 PM |
| 3 | Dear Mens Rights: What are your thoughts on the Draft including women?Honestly, this is an area where I would defer to our military leaders- we have an amazing military, and I wouldn't presume to armchair quarterback them. If women are capable of defending the country in a time severe enough to require a draft, then they should. If not, men deserve some kind of recognition and compensation/appreciation for the fact that they are bearing an unequal load in the preservation of our society. | /r/MensRights | 18/02/13 06:01 PM |
| 7 | Why Children Must Inherit Their Last Names From Their Father, Not Their MotherSeems to be a stretch in an era where paternity tests could (and should) settle the matter of paternity straight away. | /r/MensRights | 18/02/13 05:56 PM |
| 10 | "mens rights activism is not so subtle anti-feminism/male supremacy"stupid, but that sub has so few subscribers that replying to it is just going to be a srs style invasion. | /r/MensRights | 17/02/13 08:10 AM |
| 3 | I agree with basically everything on here about MR. Is the way I feel about mens rights the same srs/feminist feel about content posted to their sub? Are we as delusional as them?It'd be very hard to agree with everything posted on /r/mensrights because there are some pretty fundamental splits on thinking about pretty much everything except for the basic platform (fatherhood issues, health issues, legal issues). If you are worried about being as unreasonable as /r/srs - I think should ask yourself if you come here to be outraged, or if you come to talk and learn. We are a society that is increasingly addicted to righteous indignation and chances are, if you view /r/mr an… | /r/MensRights | 17/02/13 04:32 AM |
| 17 | What does this subreddit mean by "Equality", and how can it be achieved given the hard facts of biology?Equal treatment under law. Equal opportunity. | /r/MensRights | 17/02/13 04:25 AM |
| 2 | As a MRA for awhile, I still haven't gotten any clear views on these topics. Anyone care to explain, please? (Not a troll seriously)Some MRAs are in support of chivalry, some aren't. It isn't a men's rights issue per se, because it has to do with how you treat women, rather than what your rights are. I think it breaks on traditional/progressive lines. Progressives view chivalry (as opposed to plain manners extended to both sexes) as gynocentrism. I can't say what traditionalists really think, because I'd be representing a viewpoint that isnt my own. I think most MRAs are entirely in favor of options for women, and full right… | /r/MensRights | 17/02/13 04:22 AM |
| 3 | This is the Men's Health website at my university, I was wondering what your thoughts on it are.Shockingly shallow. When you strike the puritan and feminist agenda, you are only left with some sobering facts about college suicide, and some really lazy discussion of "what it is to be a man". This is especially ironic because I think that a lot of the lazy thinking about what it is to be a man is a big contributor to what drives men to suicide. Couple that with the ridiculously casual tone (how many sentences begin with "Guys,"?), and the advice to "look no further" for real talk about the i… | /r/MensRights | 16/02/13 02:59 AM |
| 1 | 0 0 1 Question. Does anybody have an idea on when the concept of "male privilege" was first used, and when it gained traction? My research of google scholar shows that there are almost no publicationsOne of the most cited pieces (the "invisible backpack" paper) was written in 1989. Anecdotally, I didn't hear the term much until the mid '00s amongst the feminists I knew. The term "check your privilege" seems to [have exploded in popularity over the last 2 years] (http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=%22check%20your%20privilege%22) | /r/MensRights | 16/02/13 02:45 AM |
| 1 | This is posted at A Voice For Men too -- thanks for nothing Betty Friedanrecognition of differences, yes. I define traditionalists as those who argue for a return to traditional gender roles, and progressives as those who look for extend options. I agree that your quote was not traditionalist. However I think that arguing that dying in battle is the male analog to childbirth, and that men and women should pair up so that men provide women with the opportunity to stay home and care for the children (--edit I think these are examples of traditionalism--). I personally … | /r/MensRights | 15/02/13 09:39 PM |
| 1 | This is posted at A Voice For Men too -- thanks for nothing Betty Friedan[These do] (http://judgybitch.com/2012/11/28/no-women-should-not-be-in-combat-are-you-fucking-kidding-me/) so does this: The best possible scenario to raise children is a nuclear family (two parents, gay or straight) splitting responsibilities and sharing labor. Since women FEED babies, that means that the domestic labor is hers, and productive, economic labor falls to her partner. | /r/MensRights | 15/02/13 07:01 PM |
| 14 | Charlie Rangel (D-NY) will introduce legislation to reinstate the draft, apply it to women as well.This is a little more than "reinstating the draft" (the draft was never discarded- you currently have to register for selective service)... Rangel’s legislation would require those between the ages of 18 and 25 to perform two years of national service in either the armed services or in civilian life, while the All American Selective Service Act would force women to enroll in the Selective Service System. Personally, I'd rather nobody have to sign up for selective service, but boys and girls both… | /r/MensRights | 15/02/13 06:56 PM |
| 2 | Anita Sarkeesian on my campus [UPDATE]It's too bad nobody asked her why exactly she only turned comments on for the videos that generated the harassment that seems to have launched her career- and what her response was to critics who claimed that she was effectively trolling the internet to generate sympathy and support. | /r/MensRights | 15/02/13 03:26 AM |
| 8 | This is posted at A Voice For Men too -- thanks for nothing Betty FriedanJudgybitch is a traditionalist who just thinks that there is a better deal for women than that is offered by feminism. I don't personally associate her with men's rights. | /r/MensRights | 14/02/13 11:27 PM |
| 5 | Feminist notices that things kinda suck for men, too (x-post from LadyMRAs)I love that they think that "mancession" is a bromanteau that protects men's egos about being unemployed, and are unaware that the reason it is a bromanteau is that the unemployment resulting from the recession put a lot more men out of work than women. The fact that they know the term, but not the rationale for the term is just SO revealing. | /r/MensRights | 14/02/13 11:01 PM |
| 5 | Stop Standing Against Women and Start Standing FOR MEN!!!This. The American Association of University Women spent most of the nineties and early '00s spreading misinformation that was demonstrably false that girls were falling behind in school- during this time it was clear that BOYS were disengaging and dropping out of schools. The result was 15 years of trying to make public schools more friendly to young girls at the expense of young boys at a time when young boys were falling behind, and this is a very big contributor to the crisis boys now face. … | /r/MensRights | 14/02/13 05:06 PM |
| 2 | Woman ordered to pay man after divorce (Vancouver, BC)I really don't understand why someone becomes legally entitled to continue to live in a manner to which they have become accustomed after a divorce. I don't have that protection if I lose my job. Class mobility is a feature of a capitalist democracy, and that goes both ways. If this guy's base state was periodic employment before marriage, why wouldn't he return to that after divorce? | /r/MensRights | 13/02/13 06:14 PM |
| 1 | So I joined an all male group in the Women's Center to discuss male gender roles...Read the myth of male power by warren farrell. It talks extensively about male gender roles. Good luck with your journey. | /r/MensRights | 12/02/13 05:28 PM |
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