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It would take me way too long to explain what it would take for any given person to be compatible with me in detail, so for the TLDR I'll just focus on my partner. My fiance and I are freakily similar. We have the same ideas towards all the important things a couple should agree on like kids, money etc in addition to being highly compatible interpersonally. We have the same interests and we truly enjoy being around each other, we're very comfortable together and never get tired of being around e…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/14 07:55 PM
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I'm starting to think it's a ploy to boost activity, they could've fucked off for a week without telling anyone and in all likelihood nobody would've noticed.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/14 02:39 AM
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First of all, only a tiny fraction of the subscribers at TRP regularly participate. The vast majority are lurkers/gawkers. Secondly, I cited an entire album and I can literally inundate you with other screenshot compilations showing TRP is misogynistic and supportive of rape culture and oftentimes outright rape, but I don't think any amount of proof would change your mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/14 02:37 AM
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Not everyone who's against TRP is a feminist. I identify as an egalitarian because I don't think feminism goes far enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/14 02:35 AM
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It's easy to say that, harder to prove it. I notice you didn't provide any examples, at least I'm willing to back up any accusations I make with citations.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/14 02:33 AM
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There's no TBP ideology, so nobody can speak as a representative for "TBP." There's no true BluePiller because bluepillers aren't a cohesive group, "blue pill" is actually a RP term describing anything that's not RP. TRP purports to be an ideology that defines itself using its sidebar, so in addition to the sidebar representing TRP those that subscribe to TRP 'ideology' are able to represent that ideology by virtue of identifying with it, especially if they're well known and have power/status in…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/14 02:24 AM
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That doesn't mean a goddamned thing. The past is the past, the fact that women generally lived harder lives in the past doesn't diminish or invalidate the struggles or experiences of women in the present. Violating someone's consent is a heinous crime, period.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/14 02:14 AM
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*seriously I don't think suggesting that someone sexually assault their partner is a joke, even if the person saying it intends for it to be. There's a difference between jokes about rape and suggesting to a specific person that he sexually assault his partner. It doesn't matter if he's serious or not, it's wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/14 02:10 AM
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Yeah, I don't blame you! Currently talking to someone who agrees that the "impact of rape" has been lessened because "chastity is no longer a commodity"...shit's depressing. I doubt my suggestions will gain any traction anyways, people seem to want this place to remain a haven for petty drama and oneupmanship.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/14 02:05 AM
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So even if the sidebar, mods and ECs of TRP say things that advocate or outright suggest sexual assault, the abstract pseudoideology that is TRP doesn't endorse rape because "everybody's different?"...that's some weak shit. It doesn't matter if you have an issue with the sidebar material, it matters if that material and the contributions of mods and ECs are misogynistic and supportive of rape culture, which they blatantly are.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/14 02:01 AM
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He's arguing that the impact is lesser because chastity is no longer a commodity. Which is reprehensible in addition to being entirely incorrect.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/14 01:54 AM
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I've read the entire thing, and the author is essentially lamenting that women now have rights instead of being property that's capable of being devalued through sexual assault. He uses an antiquated writing style that's intentionally verbose to mask his sick ideas. If he wrote it plainly, even fewer would agree with him. The fact that you think it's "interesting" and I'm being dishonest in my reading without pointing out specifically what I've misread is as lazy as it is telling.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/14 01:46 AM
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This sub could be better and I believe the reason it's so stagnant and undersubscribed right now is largely due to a lack of effort/attention on the part of the mods. I believe there are people who are invested enough in this sub to effectively moderate simply for the sake of the sub (following unambiguous and objective rules to prevent bias) and they should be given the opportunity.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/14 01:09 AM
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The problem with the majority of terpers is that when you've got nothing left, you revert to the "no true scotsman" style argument that makes TRP so nebulous it's unrecognizable. The sidebar endorses rape as well, see this post on the sidebar material entitled "sexual utopia" that suggests rape victims should be forced to marry their rapists and bear his children, among other things: The “victim” should be told to get into the kitchen and fix supper for her new lord and master...after the birth …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/14 12:45 AM
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The multiple announcements and it's comparison to a free-for-all style murder movie outright encourages people to behave badly.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/14 12:39 AM
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He's dumb to boot.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/14 12:33 AM
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No, I wouldn't agree that there's a higher incidence of trauma through penetrative rape than by sexual assault. I think people's reactions to sexual assault (including your idea of "traditional rape") are highly variable, some people who have been sexually assaulted don't even realize it and others are traumatized for life by the same sex act. It's possible to feel violated and become traumatized by that violation without even being touched. It's the intent that's the crime, not the method used …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/14 12:24 AM
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I thought the same thing at first, and found this whole sphere by posting in RPW initially. I was banned for disagreeing (in a respectful way, too) that all women benefit from male-led relationships. Apparently if you don't believe that all women want a domineering man and need a "leader" to be truly comfortable in their relationship then you're a troll.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/14 12:17 AM
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Not if they clearly violate a rule. It doesn't matter if a BP or RP post is off topic, or namecalling etc as long as it's a rule violation. Having unenforceable and nebulous rules like "don't downvote" and "don't be a dick/twat" is part of the problem. If the rules were unambiguous it would be much harder to accuse a mod of bias.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/14 12:06 AM
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Sexual assault: a statutory offense that provides that it is a crime to knowingly cause another person to engage in an unwanted sexual act by force or threat. Not everyone who has their consent violated is traumatized. Trauma isn't a qualifier of sexual assault.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/14 11:47 PM
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You can faciliate discussion and have an opinion as well. Mods should be among the most active contributors IMO because contributing is facilitating. As long as you don't moderate with bias and state which rules users break when you moderate, where's the conflict?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/14 11:42 PM
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Yes, which is even worse than it sounds out of context because he was telling this guy to violate his partner as a form of preemptive revenge because he believes all women cheat on deployed men. GLO also advised that the guy film it.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/14 11:39 PM
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I never said or implied you owe me anything. If you're not comfortable associating with your own opinions, maybe you should reevaluate them. Mods at TRP and TBP have no problem backing up their thoughts with their karma, why do you?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/14 11:26 PM
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Actually many states and countries legally conflate sexual assault and rape. You may personally believe that sexual assault and rape are different and there are some parts of the world that may agree with you, but I don't and refuse to distinguish between the two. I think the motive behind all sex crimes is the same and that victims of sex crimes shouldn't have their experiences diminished and risk further trauma by being told their assault is "lesser than" someone whose assault could be defined…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/14 11:11 PM
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He tries to be funny to mask his stupidity, but that doesn't excuse the fact that he's misogynistic. Telling someone to sexually assault another person is never a joke. I'm not saying you can't ever joke about rape, but there's a difference between a rape joke and unambiguously telling someone to sexually assault their partner. The fact that he's upvoted all the time shows that a lot of TRPers endorse what he's saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/14 11:07 PM
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You're downplaying a direct suggestion of sexual assault because you can't counter it. Plainly telling someone to cum on a sleeping person's face as a form of preemptive revenge is not a joke. I notice you've not responded to my questions about representatives of TRP, btw.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/14 10:22 PM
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You know, we avoid saying it, but apart from ROFL, we all have alternate accounts which we comment with I can see why you'd avoid mentioning this, as the moderator of a sub you should be forthright and commenting using alts is far from it. It's just that finding levelheaded individuals who we don't expect to act out is incredibly challenging That's totally understandable, but they exist among the regular contributors here. Sure some of the regs are shitty trolls, but not enough people are going …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/14 10:16 PM
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I'm arguing that a well known EC or mod of TRP advocating rape is tantamount to TRP advocating rape. If the leaders of an ideology aren't qualified to be representatives of that ideology, who is?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/14 09:59 PM
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Is it okay to advocate either?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/14 09:52 PM
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How is calling this statement advocating sexual assault a misunderstanding? Make the most of the situation by filming a cell phone video of you cumming on her face in her sleep. This man told another man to sexually assault his partner. How is that not advocating sexual assault? It's beyond advocacy, he's straight up telling him to do it!
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/14 09:45 PM
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If the most well known moderator of TRP isn't representative of TRP, can anyone represent TRP? The moderator of TRP said that all women wish they were attractive enough to be raped. One of the most upvoted and well known ECs directly advocated sexual assault.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/14 09:36 PM
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http://imgur.com/a/bGiiW
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/14 09:06 PM
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I want moderators who have proven their investment in this sub by regularly contributing to it and being endorsed by fellow contributors who will moderate on a consistent basis following clearly defined and objective rules. You're the moderator of 27 subreddits, some of them very popular. You clearly have a lot on your plate. I'm not trying to displace you, I want to improve the state of this subreddit. I think active moderation is the best way to do that, and the people who are most likely to b…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/14 07:07 PM
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TRPers are pretty sensitive toward moderation policies If anything TRP is overmoderated. The only compliment I can come up with for TRP is about its highly responsive moderation, OT posts get downvoted or removed very quickly and "concern trolls"/anyone who disturbs the echochamber is banned pretty much instantly. I'd love it if we had mods who were as responsive as the mods at TRP or TBP as long as they moderated according to clear and objective rules.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/14 06:55 PM
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I think this sub has potential, when it was first created it was quite active. I'm not trying to tear it down, I'm trying to build it up. I'm not trying to "displace" anyone either, I think we need MORE mods, not less.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/14 06:50 PM
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His sub has 90k people and 15 mods, this sub has 2k people and 5 mods. 2 of those mods haven't been active on reddit at all for 3+ weeks and /u/Spartacus321 participates everywhere but here. /u/CODYsaurusREX is around sometimes and /u/CFRProflcopter is the most active. I think we deserve mods who aren't only effective moderators but regular participants.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/14 06:48 PM
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I've reported multiple posts/comments that unambiguously violate the rules and if they get removed it's often hours later when the comment has either been downvoted to hell anyways or had plenty of time to stir shit -- for such a small sub with a less than constant stream of content, I think the only explanation for this is a lack of moderation. I'm not trying to insult the mods, I'm pointing out that the majority of them are inactive or intermittently active. I think that if the mods aren't abl…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/14 06:35 PM
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This sub really isn't a debate sub. I'm sure that was the intention of the creator but that's not how it's turning out :/ There aren't even any established debate guidelines, and a productive debate relies on both sides obeying the same set of rules. Oftentimes "debates" on this sub devolve in to little more than oneupmanship. It's a discussion sub, which I think is good enough as long as it's well moderated to ensure that all users are respectful and on topic.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/14 06:32 PM
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I don't think a lot of organized brigading happens, but I think a lot of people blatantly ignore the don't downvote rule. The mods can't do anything to stop it so having a rule against it is unenforceable. Brigading violates reddiquette anyways, so having a rule against it in this sub is redundant. I also had /u/misspearl on my shortlist! I'm not here all the time but she seems pretty active to me and I've never seen her be rude or violate any rules.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/14 06:27 PM
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Do you think a delta system could have a tendency to reinforce the circlejerkiness of the sub? It seems like that happens at TRP at least, whoever says stuff that's the TRPiest gets man points. I like the delta system in CMV though, if we had something like that here where it's restricted to changing someone's view I think it would be beneficial.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/14 06:20 PM
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It should be by popular vote. Users should be able to nominate other users (who can accept or reject that nomination) and then those who are elected should commit to actual moderation, not just the title. I do have a few nominees in mind, actually, and none of them are me. I'm not active enough to be a mod, I'm barely even a regular. The same goes for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/14 03:29 PM
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I think it's important enough to merit consistent, timely moderation that other respectable subs have, if you're not going to take it seriously why don't you step down as a moderator instead of encouraging everyone to troll?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/14 02:52 PM
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This "purge" is basically the mod's way of showing PPDers how seriously they take this sub, which is not at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/14 02:01 AM
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This is dumb. There's already essentially no moderation here, you guys are often hours or days behind on reports etc to the point that it doesn't even matter if users report. The majority of the mods aren't regularly active anyways, and the one that is doesn't even have full mod privileges. The community already self polices with up/downvotes. Literally nothing is going to change, you're just encouraging people to be nasty to each other by being overt about the lack of moderation.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/14 03:04 PM
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Reading this makes the modship here look even more dire than it did when I knew nothing about it :/ you're basically saying you're the only active mod and you don't even have full mod privileges...not good for such a divisive sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/14 09:33 PM
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A lot of those screenshots are from the most well known endorsed contributors and moderators in TRP. If a regularly upvoted poster on TRP or a frigging MOD of TRP says something like "cum on a sleeping woman's face" or "every woman wants to be attractive enough to be raped" and is upvoted to 50+ for it, how is that not representative of TRP? Don't the mods of /r/PurplePillDebate speak for PPD?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/14 04:43 PM
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Putting aside the inherent negative/inappropriate judgmental connotations of words like "slut", what's always confused me about this isn't that a TRPer or anyone would have a personal preference regarding their partner's sociosexuality, it's that they believe someone with a sociosexuality completely incompatible with their own would be interested. My sociosexuality is quite restricted, and I prefer partners with similarly restricted traits like low partner count and a strong inclination towards …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/14 09:02 PM
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I don't fully understand what your post is getting at because your writing is confusing, but stating: Anything in a relationship can be defined as an economical interaction. Is wrong on its face. Where did you get this idea?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/14 02:15 AM
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I have no problem with people accepting or rejecting behaviors that are associated with gender, as long as it's a personal decision made by a particular individual. What's wrong with gender roles on a societal level is that fact that certain expectations are forced on people by society because they belong to a specific gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/14 11:18 PM
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This is a shitty question that doesn't lend itself to topical discussion at all. Wtf does this completely unrealistic hypothetical have to do with anything? Are you trying to make some kind of point?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/14 05:10 PM
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I think this post alone is making it pretty clear that people who tend to "lean red" have a lack of respect for others as a default position which I believe is wrong. Everyone deserves basic human respect. Respect as a verb means "have due regard for the feelings, wishes, rights, or traditions of." If you're coming from a place where you have no regard for the feelings/wishes/rights/personhood of someone you don't even know based solely on a particular inborn characteristic like gender, race or …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/14 11:21 PM
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Not sure if you saw her edit, but: Yes, it was all one dude. Yes, I was very insecure and did not make wise decisions by staying with him. And to all the people saying I'm dumb, I'm not really sure what to say to that, haha. No it wasn't smart to stay with him but being in a relationship like that messes with you. I no longer had any friends and was and still am very lonely. He was all I had and I didn't know what to do without him. My insecurities and his control and manipulation all contribute…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/14 08:08 PM
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No one called what you linked to rape, not even the person who wrote the blog. She called it a violation and went on to write about a time she was raped. There's a reason there's a legal definition of rape, and while that blogger definitely had her agency compromised and could potentially have been assaulted (in the form of an STI) she wasn't raped. If a woman told a man she was on birth control when she wasn't, got pregnant and forced him to become a father, would you agree that she intentional…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/14 11:24 PM
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I don't understand what you see wrong with this, it's a perfect example of someone intentionally ensuring informed consent is inaccessible to their partner. What if her partner caught HIV or something from one of his alternative partners and passed it on to her? Her partner made decisions about her sexual health that he wasn't entitled to make, without her knowledge or consent.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/14 11:11 PM
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What does "judging people" mean and how is it different from: expressing a personal preference You asked, I answered. Making a rational judgment based on evidence is much different from "saying they're bad" or expressing a personal preference. That's why it's wrong to judge a group of people for something you personally don't approve of, based off of nothing but your own feelings. Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean it's universally wrong. Go ahead and judge others anyways if you want t…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/14 10:43 PM
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judgment: the ability to make considered decisions or come to sensible conclusions. preference: a greater liking for one alternative over another or others. These two words have completely different meanings. To judge someone is entirely different from expressing a personal preference. If you can't see the distinction now, I can't do anything else for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/14 10:24 PM
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Definitely, I think we're pretty much on the same page.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/14 08:13 PM
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That's why there are anti-discrimination laws in place, right? To make sure that everyone has the right to judge everyone else however they'd like?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/14 08:11 PM
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includes discussing how often/when we were last tested and any results Which is awesome, and I hope you ask to actually see the paper/electronic results of the test instead of taking their word for it. If you don't, you're taking as much of a risk as if you hadn't asked at all. It's also important to note that most standard STI panels don't screen for all STIs, HSV often isn't included unless you ask and there's no test for HPV. If you're the paranoid type, your best bet is to actually get teste…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/14 06:10 PM
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I don't think I ever used the term "morally wrong." I didn't say you did, just that you were slut shaming yourself if you considered promiscuity/STIs to be shameful, as you've previously implied. I don't think a disease is a moral issues, but I would use negative language to describe it. I would use negative language to describe cancer Would you call someone who had cancer a diseased whore? The point is that you're shaming those "diseased whores" for their sexuality, which is hypocritical consid…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/14 06:03 PM
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Yeah, you are, if you believe that being promiscuous and contracting common virus/es is morally wrong. If you don't believe it's morally wrong, why would you use such negative language in the first comment I replied to? What I was originally trying to get at though, was that you had an "other" mentality about the "diseased whores" you spoke of in your first comment, when in all likelihood you're part of the group you were judging. Do you tell everyone you sleep with that you've had multiple part…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/14 05:48 PM
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But are you a diseased whore, if you are or were promiscuous and potentially infected with the same virus/es that you were just admonishing people for "promoting?" I'd love to see the article you're referring to by the way.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/14 05:36 PM
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It's their right to know and make an informed decision. I agree that if you know you should tell other people, but what about people who don't know? Are you asking everyone you have skin to skin contact with to prove they don't have HSV or HPV themselves? The vast majority of people aren't educated enough about sexual health to know that they can have HSV or HPV and be completely asymptomatic, they believe that asymptomatic = uninfected.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/14 05:30 PM
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If you've had numerous sexual partners as you've suggested, the chances are higher that you have a strain of HSV and/or HPV than they are that you don't, even if you've never had an outbreak of either. A large percentage of adults over 25 have contracted a strain of HSV or HPV and are asymptomatic. If you have a healthy immune system, it's possible to contract both, shed the virus for both and infect others and never know it. Most standard STI panels don't screen for HSV 1 (which typically manif…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/14 04:55 PM
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Hahaha yeah definitely, but that's a given. Obviously pedos, abusers etc can't/shouldn't ever lead their ideal life, but the vast majority of adults can and shouldn't be shamed for their personal choices.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/14 04:11 PM
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There's nothing wrong with expressing a personal preference when it comes to potential LTRs, in terms of sexual past or any other particular characteristic. What's wrong is judging people you have no personal investment in for their life choices, as is the case with slut shaming. I'm a monogamist, so I wouldn't want to be with someone who's into nonmonogamy, but that doesn't mean I'm going to rant at polyamorists about how wrong their lifestyle is because it's not wrong, it's just not for me. Ev…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/14 03:31 PM
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For me it's more important that I feel desired by my partner beyond simple physicality, because that's what turns me on. On my own I really don't want to be perceived as sexy, it makes me uncomfortable if strangers notice me on the street. I just want to look normal and blend in with the crowd, feeling singled out for my looks alone is offputting so I don't go out of my way to look sexy. No makeup beyond moisturizer and lip balm or flashy clothes/heels etc unless I feel the situation calls for i…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/14 11:41 PM
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I think effective parenting is incredibly difficult, period. Is it the hardest job in the world? That depends on the parent's level of investment in their child and the personal dynamic that parent has with their child, some parents definitely have "easier" kids than others. I wouldn't say mothering is more difficult than fathering after the baby is born though, the only way moms have it harder is that they're the ones who put their bodies at risk to have children. I think single parents have it…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/14 10:00 PM
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Sexual assault: a statutory offense that provides that it is a crime to knowingly cause another person to engage in an unwanted sexual act by force or threat; "most states have replaced the common law definition of rape with statutes defining sexual assault" Cumming on someone's face when they're sleeping and can't consent fits the definition of sexual assault. Some states and many European countries conflate sexual assault and rape laws, so lots of people use the terms rape and sexual assault i…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/14 01:10 AM
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The fact that you're minimizing and rationalizing everything I've posted to this degree speaks for itself. I invite everyone to read "sexual utopia" and the other examples I've provided for themselves and see if they come to the same conclusion that you have.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/14 01:22 AM
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Is it in the sidebar? Did I miss them? Yeah, you did. Here's a few more examples of EC TRPers advocating rape as well: http://i.imgur.com/dvT586O.jpg http://i.imgur.com/sbOwSSJ.jpg Also, is sexual assault "not as bad" as rape? They're both illegal, both can land you in jail and many states don't make a heavy distinction between certain forms of sexual assault and rape. What's the difference between TRPers advocating sexual assault and TRPers advocating rape if they're basically the same thing on…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/14 12:21 AM
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You understand that rape isn't strictly limited to penis in vagina without consent, right? You can sexually assault someone without intercourse. Pissing in someone's mouth without consent, having anal sex without consent, and cumming on someone's face while they sleep (and therefore cannot consent) all qualify as sexual assault.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/14 12:02 AM
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LMR and negging aren't the only reasons people say that TRP encourages rape. The reason why people say that TRP encourages rape is because many prominent users and mods at TRP encourage rape. Here are a few examples: "I don't consider a no to be a refusal of sex, or pushing past that to be rape" "My wife tried to bargain with the ass. I accepted the deal as a reasonable quid pro quo...She tried to renege on the deal...I collected later when she was drunk. She no longer tries to make such bargain…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/14 10:49 PM
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Is there any organized effort to ban selective service?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/14 06:09 PM
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...that's not my line of thinking at all though. It's baffling me how you've read so far into what I wrote, you're literally giving it new meaning. All I said was that the concept of a draft is sexist and barbaric.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/14 02:18 PM
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Uhh...what? I don't understand how anything you wrote relates to anything I wrote.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/14 05:33 AM
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Lots of women think this is sexist, though. I think the entire concept of a draft is barbaric. No one should be forced to fight in a war.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/14 11:54 PM
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I think virtues are virtues, gender doesn't really matter. All virtue means is "moral excellence" and I don't believe the sexes should have differing morality, so virtue shouldn't vary among the sexes either. I think there are a multitude of virtues out there and that it would be pretty difficult for most people to embody all of them all of the time, people tend to have a handful of virtues that come easily to them as well as vices that they struggle with. A few virtues I can think of off the to…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/14 10:49 PM
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Oh, okay..well just ignore that bit and respond to the rest of it if you'd like.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/14 07:01 PM
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So if a site allows satirical posts that are incredibly similar to hateful posts, how is anybody supposed to tell the difference between the two?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/14 06:17 PM
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I politely requested that you not misrepresent me and let you know that I'm not trying to argue with you, and you just push through with your delusional ideas about what my position is anyways. Who's the troll again?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/14 05:55 PM
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Well, I'm certainly not going to try to keep this argument going. Sorry you don't value my input, but that doesn't make me a troll. I never claimed to hate TRPers either, please don't misrepresent me.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/14 05:44 PM
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This doesn't even make sense. None of the things you've quoted me saying violate any of the rules. You're seriously calling me out for expressing my opinions. Calling me a troll and insisting I be banned is a personal attack though, which actually does violate the rules, so I'm going to report this to the mods.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/14 05:25 PM
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Where did I say that I don't believe "females are the selecting sex?" I didn't, but do you honestly believe that child brides are selecting their husbands? See what I did there? The same thing I did last time, all I said was that Briffault's law has no credible scientific association to human sexuality, and offered an example of a possible human relationship that would violate Briffault's law. The majority of the first page of google hits for Briffault's law are from manosphere blogs. It's nothi…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/14 05:02 PM
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Circlejerking is against the rules, I've reported your comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/14 04:54 PM
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You've really got a hate on for me, don't you? You've replied to like three of my comments in about as many minutes. Chill out bro, we obviously disagree. Move on with your life.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/14 04:51 PM
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This is off topic. I try to be concise, I don't have to defend my decision not to reply to an essay of a post in a short form medium like Reddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/14 04:50 PM
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I started out by finding RPW through someone's user history and posting there a bit, which lead to TRP and TBP. I think I've actually gotten more "politically correct" since finding TRP, the level of ignorance and prejudice over there is astounding, which made me reevaluate my own beliefs because I was shocked that I could post in a place like RPW without even recognizing what it's really about. I was attracted to RPW superficially because it seemed to align with certain characteristics of mine:…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/14 04:14 PM
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You're completely ignoring the context I wrote that in. If someone makes a sexist joke on a sexist sub, it's a lot more telling than if someone makes a satirical joke on a explicitly satirical sub. TRP isn't satire, TBP is. It's amazing how many people are failing to see this distinction.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/14 03:22 PM
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You get what you give. If you want valuable input, don't be dismissive of it when it's given to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/14 03:00 PM
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I don't appreciate how dismissive you're being towards me. If you don't have anything of value to add to the discussion, don't reply. It's not cute to joke about sexual assault, it just shows how flippant you are about it. The creep vibes are strong in this one.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/14 02:17 PM
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I think you're one of the only RPers in this post who actually read and considered what I had to say to you, so thanks for that! I'm not opposed to people expressing their opinions, but wording is hugely important especially when that's all someone has to go on, as is the case with essays. Like you said, there's a huge difference between "[women having] a pervading sense of entitlement in the Western world today" and "women are actually mentally incapable of maturing past age 18," they're comple…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/14 02:08 PM
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I would love to change my mind about TRP. If TRP stopped encouraging hateful bigots to post there by bestowing EC status and man points upon people who encourage and admit to sexual assault, perhaps the quality of the sub would go up and people could focus on self improvement instead of bitching about, pedestalizing, and dehumanizing women all at the same time. If TRP were a sex positive sub focused on self improvement and they had a friendly and respectful attitude towards women, I'd have no pr…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/14 02:03 PM
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You do understand that I told her I didn't read it because my reply would be excessively long as hers was, right? It had nothing to do with how long her post would take to read.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/14 01:59 PM
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Even if a third of the screenshots I linked to weren't serious, how do you explain the ones with an unabigulously serious tone? Lots of these comments are still visible on TRP. The community clearly supports hate speech, the moderators would remove it if they didn't. Claiming to have seen something and offering no evidence to back it up is meaningless. Imagine how this thread would've gone if all I did was say "TRP is sexist" and offered nothing to back it up? People would say I was talking out …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/14 01:57 PM
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It's fucking hyperbole. Regardless of whether he actually means it or not, how does advocating sexual assault in the present relate to the message he's trying to convey, which is that his girlfriend is going to cheat on him at some future date? What does encouraging someone to seek preemptive revenge in the form of sexual assault have to do with his point? How are the two even related? That's like seeing someone walking down the street and punching them in the face because they might mug you.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/14 01:46 PM
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Hahahaha, oookay. This is way off topic so I'm not going to devote much more effort to it, but what you've done is interpret one sentence I've written in a post I've written and commented in prolifically and said that the entire post is about that one specific sentence which showed up well after the OP. That's absurd, you're pigeonholing.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/14 01:31 PM
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But TRP isn't an explicitly satirical circlejerk like TBP is, that's the difference. TBP says right on the sidebar that they're not serious and to assume that every single post on the sub comes with a trigger warning. TRP says right on the sidebar that women have the maturity of children, will leave you for a richer/more alpha man the first chance they get etc etc. There's definitely no trigger warning, and I fail to see where the explanation that it's all a joke is posted, feel free to point th…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/14 01:16 PM
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Omfg, how many times do I have to explain satire to you? TBP was created as a satirical response to TRP. TRP came first, and TRP isn't kidding when they say women have no value beyond sex, are incapable of true love or reason, are hypergamous sluts, etc etc. That's bigotry. TBP amplifies and exaggerates TRP's bigotry with the intention of exposing and ridiculing it. That's satire. I also don't see you countering with compilation posts of TBP's supposed bigotry, I'd love it if you'd back up what …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/14 01:12 PM
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He was popular at TRP and especially askTRP before he deleted his account. He got attention at TBP because he said a lot of heinous things, especially about women and relationships. I don't even think you know what you're offended about. Off the top of my head, I'm offended that someone with elevated standing in a community supposedly geared towards the self improvement of men would suggest that a man sexually assault his girlfriend as a form of revenge for a slight that hasn't even occurred yet…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/14 01:06 PM
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I inundated my post with examples to prove how ubiquitous sexism is on TRP. Nowhere have I said I expect everyone to look through every single example and refute all of them as /u/keridell seems to have insinuated, and there were plenty of people who straight up admitted they didn't look at any of them and decided to give pro-TRP rants anyways, which is to be expected from proponents of something as culty as TRP. Anyone who clicked through even half of the first imgur album would get the point, …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/14 12:47 PM
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The fact that the mods can pick ECs and ECs can hand out Man Points at their discretion only serves to insulate the circlejerk, it's intentional on the part of the mods. Also, the sidebar is full of irrational misogyny the same as everywhere else on TRP: ”The nobler and more perfect a thing is, the later and slower is it in reaching maturity. Man reaches the maturity of his reasoning and mental faculties scarcely before he is eight and twenty; woman when she is eighteen; but hers is a reason of …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/14 12:14 PM
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TRPers posting something hateful and then claiming to not be "serious" about it is a far cry from intentional satire. Why are you acting like they're exactly the same?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/14 04:03 AM
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Yeah I understand that this sub isn't the srsbsns I want it to be, that's an impossibility with people who have irrational beliefs. I think the fact that TRP as a sub isn't open to rational debate at all is very telling though.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/14 03:23 AM
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You're willing to do some Olympic level mental gymnastics to rationalize the sexism present in TRP, not to mention you're making TRP subscribers sound even more pathetic than if they were sexist without a tragic backstory to go with it. There's no excuse for any kind of prejudiced beliefs, it's incredibly self centered to lash out at an entire genders as revenge for personal slights. Not to mention, why would you want to dilute the severity of whatever emotional trauma it is you're talking about…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/14 03:20 AM
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No offense, but I only read your TLDR because there's absolutely no way I could address whatever points you made in your 1000+ word essay concisely, I'm not trying to write a dissertation. I wasn't trying to start an argument, this thread was actually directed at "blue pillers" and TRPers who disagree with the examples I provided. It certainly did liven things up in here. TRP can say some pretty horrible things, but I've been in a place where I've had those feeling too, so I can understand the n…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/14 03:11 AM
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We're not just talking about random redditors finding TRP and occasionally adding terrible stuff to a mix of good quality content. Those examples include moderators and endorsed contributors, if they aren't representative of TRP then who is?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/14 03:04 AM
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I don't even understand what you're getting at. Are you saying it's more respectable for a person to violate another person by groping them without their consent than it is for a person to simply remove their shirt and expose their body?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/14 02:53 AM
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How is racism any different from sexism? It's bigotry based on an inborn characteristic either way. Also, if I understand you right, are you saying that TRP is a "new kind" of sexism? The "right kind" of sexism, an understandable kind of sexism maybe? Maybe not sexism at all...pretty slippery slope.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/14 02:51 AM
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Would you encourage this kind of "catharsis" about other topics? If an asian person cuts me off in traffic and I get in a crash because of it, is it understandable that I go on a racist rant about how terrible asians are at driving because of their biology etc etc? Lots of people have lots of traumatic shit happen to them, that doesn't give anybody an excuse to be ignorant. Believing that any one group of people is one way based on an experience with a single individual from that demographic is …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/14 02:48 AM
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So misogyny isn't as bad as racism?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/14 02:42 AM
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I didn't claim everyone who subscribes to TRP agrees with the examples I posted. I even asked a question specifically directed at TRPers who don't agree with the examples. Again, no one seems to be able to answer this: if mods and ECs aren't representative of TRP as a whole, who/what is?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/14 02:41 AM
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Satire: the use of humor, irony, exaggeration, or ridicule to expose and criticize people's stupidity or vices, particularly in the context of contemporary politics and other topical issues. TBP uses satire to mock TRP. If someone says something that sounds like an exaggerated TRPer (sometimes in reverse) they're doing it right. The difference between TRP and TBP is that TBP doesn't mean what they say, it's for the luls. A lot of the examples I posted have an unambiguously serious tone.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/14 02:40 AM
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Oh, please. This is too pathetic to describe as "misogyny". Misogyny: dislike of, contempt for, or ingrained prejudice against women. How does what I describe not qualify as misogyny? And no, not all generalizations are automatically false. The simple fact that TRP exist and what message they communicate should be something of curiosity more than something of disgust. There is an overwhelming impression there that these men feel that society has "failed" them, or that there is something wrong. S…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/14 02:34 AM
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A+ album, thanks for going through the effort!
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/14 02:23 AM
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That might not be this sub's intention, but that's definitely what this sub is best at.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/14 02:19 AM
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Of course I've said things I didn't mean before, who hasn't? What I've never done is publically made hateful generalizations about half the population out of frustration with a specific person or experience like lots of TRPers seem to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/14 02:18 AM
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This is hyperbole How is telling someone to cum on their sleeping girlfriend making a point about anything? He could've said "girls are more likely to cheat in LDRs" without advocating that this guy sexually assault his girlfriend. Most women have little value outside of fucking to men today. So you're sexist and you have no interest in pretending to be otherwise. I can't believe you actually believe this, it's astounding. Women are people, not sexual objects. You're so self centered you can onl…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/14 02:15 AM
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Even if tons of TRPers really are going through some kind of "5 stages" grieving, does that make saying the heinous shit I included in my OP as examples understandable or okay? Notice they're not saying "I fucking hate my ex," they're saying "I fucking hate women."
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/14 02:08 AM
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There's tons of trash on there now. It's not just now. Way back when TRP didn't even have 5000 subscribers this post was upvoted to top post of all time before being brigaded by /r/worstof.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/14 02:06 AM
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How many ways are there to interpret statements like "I really fucking hate women" and "beyond sex, women provide no value?" Both of those are direct quotes from TRPers. Both quotes seem pretty clear to me, there's really not much room for interpretation.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/14 02:02 AM
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Satire: The use of humor, irony, exaggeration, or ridicule to expose and criticize people's stupidity or vices, particularly in the context of contemporary politics and other topical issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/14 02:00 AM
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Ohh, okay. So a woman who exposes her body in public doesn't have any respect for herself, but it's okay for a man to get completely wasted and grope that woman without her consent because society says breasts are sexual and therefore if a breast is exposed a woman is consenting to having them touched?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/14 01:56 AM
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Is it sexist to say men are physically stronger than women? How about that they have a higher sex drive? How about that men get in more physical fights than women? No, and notice that I wasn't using banal examples like that either. Lots of the examples I provided are seriously extreme: "Make a cell phone video of you cumming on her face while she sleeps...she's going to be fucking lots of dudes while your on deployment. Might as well get something for all the effort you put in." - /u/gaylubeoil …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/14 01:51 AM
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The point I'm making is that just because society sexualizes breasts doesn't mean that breasts are inherently sexual. There's no excuse for violating the bodily autonomy of another person, you can't blame social conditioning.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/14 01:45 AM
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Do you understand what satire is? You're totally missing the point of TBP if you think it's about perpetuating bigotry. This post isn't about TBP anyways, it's about whether TRP is even worth debating due to the huge amount of hate that's encouraged there. I linked to TBP because that sub has a lot of users willing to wade through the dreck at TRP to expose how hateful it is to others.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/14 01:37 AM
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I'm not fighting anyone, first of all, I'm participating in a discussion thread on reddit. I didn't call this thread "I think TRP is sexist and I feel like I have a moral obligation to say so" because that's not what this thread is about, not to mention your interpretation of what I wrote is a misrepresentation of my beliefs. I don't appreciate the snark.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/14 01:34 AM
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If you've already made up your mind about what I'm going to say, why even bother replying at all? It's a lot easier to be negatively impacted by sexism in your daily life than it is to be negatively impacted by political correctness.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/14 01:31 AM
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satire =/= bigotry.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/14 01:30 AM
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So if a woman is breastfeeding in public, she's sending a very clear and distinct message about her sexual intentions to any man who's within sight?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/14 12:00 AM
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Actually, some TRP members have straight up admitted to rape. Ignoring that, there are tons of posters perpetuating hateful beliefs, like /u/skinny_bitches telling TRPers if they keep their girlfriends borderline anorexic they're easier to control. They link to hate sites like RoK which tell people that women having big boobs makes her a slut. There have been posts all over reddit about "red pill" boyfriends by freaked out GFs or exes trying to understand wtf happened to their BF all of a sudden…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/14 11:57 PM
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This isn't TRP though, a thread like this would be deleted instantly if I posted it in TRP. The blue pill allows serious posts, but it doesn't encourage them. The top three posts of all time and the majority of the top ten are all circlejerky. I don't value TBP as a source overall, which is why I only linked to posts that included screenshots of TRPers posting misogynistic comments, the proof's coming straight from the source.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/14 11:51 PM
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What about a woman taking off her shirt indicates that she doesn't respect herself? A man should have enough control over himself not to grope anybody in any situation without their consent. If he can't control himself when he's intoxicated, he should stay sober.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/14 11:45 PM
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How does a woman disrespect herself by showing her tits? Are tits shameful?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/14 11:42 PM
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If TRP really wanted to focus on the topic that you're talking about, wouldn't they ban anyone who contributed anything that deviated from that mission? There are tons of negative posts about women that don't focus on sexual strategy at all, doesn't that harm the signal:noise ratio?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/14 11:39 PM
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Oooh, you made one of these?! Sorry I didn't give you credit, I'm sure it took a lot of time, I was just trolling for posts with lots of examples of hatred to prove how ubiquitous misogynistic comments are on TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/14 11:36 PM
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http://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/24d84s/purplepilldebate_what_are_your_thoughts_on/ch60878 You can also look through the first few pages of /u/mentalfork's history, I think evo psych is mentioned several times.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/14 11:32 PM
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Except for the fact that TBP explicitly presents itself as a satirical circlejerk, it's stated in the sidebar. TRP takes itself quite seriously, with all the rules, the ECs, the Man Points, the liberal use of the banhammer on dissenters...
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/14 11:28 PM
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I agree. I think rational discussion should be enforced instead of encouraged here, but the mods seem unwilling to turn this sub into a proper debate sub. It's barely a productive discussion sub as it is, almost every post results in a bunch of petty arguing.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/14 11:21 PM
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You're missing my point, I think being passive in the face of bigotry is akin to acceptance/enabling. While I doubt I'll be fighting TRP forever, it reaffirms my own sense of morality to challenge TRP publically.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/14 11:19 PM
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I was trying to stay on topic by talking about negging because it's a well known PUA tactic and OP mentioned it, I didn't expect people would latch on to it like they did.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/14 11:16 PM
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99% of the time, if everybody just ignored that, it would go away, or at the very least, a bunch of marginal like minded idiots would all end up in a dark corner of the internet somewhere jerking each other off. ...so in TRP? I recognize that this isn't on the same scale as a civil rights struggle and I'm far from a social justice warrior, I just like to argue -- but anyone who believes TRP isn't misogynistic after reading the multitude of examples from the keyboards of TRPers themselves is eith…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/14 10:55 PM
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No one has yet been able to provide any concrete examples of good advice or info that can only be found on TRP and not anywhere else. I'm not holding my breath, either.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/14 10:49 PM
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Only the good stuff, never the bad stuff. But I'm the one who gets accused of cherrypicking..?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/14 10:40 PM
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aside from daring to pose the provocative question of why is it bad to hate women, I also think that it would probably be positive if we took away women's right to vote, am against gay marriage, and hate gays. I guess I am a baby eating sociopath in real life. No, you're just a bigot.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/14 10:40 PM
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If an anti smoking committee publishes information on why smoking is bad, does their bias suddenly invalidate the information? Smoking is bad, TRP is sexist. TBP isn't doing anything but preserving TRP sexism in their own words, all of the links I posted include screenshots of things TRPers have said. There might be bias, but there's no fabrication. You could show someone who has no idea what TRP or TBP even is these screenshots, and chances are they're going to judge the vast majority of them t…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/14 10:38 PM
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Ah okay, so if a girl takes her top off in a crowd not only should she expect to be groped, it would be dumb of her to assume that people would have basic respect for her body? No one was touching her tits when her shirt was on, what makes it okay when her shirt comes off? You're equating the will of self aware beings with a machine. A machine has no awareness of or control over it's functioning, it's not self aware. A person makes a choice to assault someone regardless of the context. He has co…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/14 10:34 PM
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http://www.loveisrespect.org/is-this-abuse/why-do-people-stay-in-abusive-relationships Here's an actual list of reasons why people don't leave abusive relationships. Love might be a factor, but there's no "benefit" to an abusive relationship, which means it violates Briffault's "law." An abuser compromises the agency of those he abuses. By the way, for anyone curious about the validity of Briffault's law: https://www.google.com/search?q=briffaults+law&oq=briffaults+law&aqs=chrome.0.69i59l2j0l4.2…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/14 10:22 PM
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Being offended has nothing to do with whether something is objectively discriminatory, like TRP is.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/14 10:13 PM
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maybe it's just because I've always communicated with my "bros" in a sexist, misogynistic way lol. If you had a daughter, would you want "bros" talking about her the way you did with your friends? If you wouldn't be okay with someone talking about your daughter like that, why is it okay for any person to talk about anyone's daughter using misogynistic language?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/14 10:10 PM
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Shit's weak. The MOD of TRP isn't representative of TRP? He literally controls who is and isn't allowed to post, TRP is notorious for banning dissenters.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/14 10:07 PM
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If you're not interested in proselytizing for TRP, why are you on a debate sub where people are going to directly criticize TRP? Providing close to 100 comments by TRP users, including mods and ECs as examples is far from cherry picking, but I could probably give you 1000 examples of sexism on TRP if I had the time and inclination, and people would still say it's not representative of TRP as a sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/14 10:06 PM
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your post title asks a question, then when I click the post, your opening comment makes it clear that you have already made up your mind. So while you ask me "why do you take the time to reply", I could just as easily ask you "why do take the time to post in the damn first place when you've already made up your mind?" That's the whole point of a debate. I make an assertion and provide evidence for that assertion, others attempt to refute it with their own assertions backed up with their own evid…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/14 10:03 PM
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The female, not the male, determines all the conditions of the animal family. Where the female can derive no benefit from association with the male, no such association takes place. It has yet to be proven that humans have somehow become exempt from it. It explains why females (women) would only associate (engage in a relationship with) males (men), if they can benefit from it. Pretty sure abusive relationships fly in the face of Briffault's "Law" which isn't a law at all, merely the thoughts of…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/14 09:59 PM
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You've erected a giant strawman, ranted at it, and contributed absolutely nothing to the conversation. You're not even on topic.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/14 09:54 PM
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And people who think The Red Pill is stupid, awful, and ignorant should just ignore it. If people think racism is stupid, awful, and ignorant should they just ignore it? Thoughts become words which become actions. If someone is clearly wrong as is the case with racism or sexism, I think those who recognize the injustice have an obligation to point it out and work to stop it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/14 09:53 PM
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GLO is an endorsed contributor. If you look through the examples I listed, you'll see that the mod of TRP stated that all women have rape fantasies and that feminists are just mad that they're not pretty enough to be raped. It was upvoted to 71 or something crazy like that. If you don't think there's anything wrong with saying something sexist, do you think there's anything wrong with saying something racist? If someone says sexist things, chances are they're sexist. Do you believe it's okay for…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/14 09:49 PM
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People who use evopsych as an explanation for TRP esque beliefs are misusing evopsych. /u/mentalfork actually studies evopsych and has offered a lot of expanations of how TRP uses pseudoscience labeled as "evopsych." Also, there was a dating self help sites in that list, but literally all you have to do is google 'dating advice' and you'll get literally millions of hits, most of which won't be rooted in sexism.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/14 09:45 PM
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Can you show me a few examples of productive, rational discussions held by two people on opposing sides here at PPD? Because I just looked, and they seem like quite a rarity.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/14 09:40 PM
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But which one is more harmful to society? I think political correctness has fewer victims than sexism.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/14 09:38 PM
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So my point stands then, if you want someone to respect your sources you should give them sources worth respecting. Would you give someone a mostly rotten apple and say "there's one or two good bites in there if you look for em?"
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/14 09:35 PM
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No, it's full of "gems" like "Harvard prof. Dr. Edward Clarke asserted that women should not be allowed to attend college. If young women studied too much, they would divert blood away from the uterus to the brain, rendering themselves “irritable and infertile.”
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/14 08:24 PM
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If you're not going to take the time to actually comprehend what I write, why do you take the time to reply?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/14 08:19 PM
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Here's a list of self improvement links on a variety of topics I found interesting and informative, literally none of them have to resort to bigotry either! https://imgur.com/gallery/1S2u5
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/14 08:17 PM
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If you were debating with a christian fundamentalist about evolution, and you asked for some science to back up their position, would you accept a source from "christianevolutionaryscience.com?" The bias is inherent in the name.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/14 08:13 PM
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No offense, but your post comes off as preachy and condescending. And the fact that you are citing examples from "The Blue Pill" (a sub dedicated to nothing more than the shaming and ridicule of another sub, i.e., a dedicated SRS) is further devaluation of your question. I was waiting for this argument to pop up. TBP was created in specific opposition to TRP, of course it's the most reliable source for information about TRP that isn't actually TRP, that's literally the whole point of the sub. No…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/14 08:05 PM
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But what if it's the mod of TRP saying something? Or an endorsed contributor? TRP doesn't have to have ECs, they're hand picked by the mods as representatives of TRP as people that newcomers should listen to. When a mod or EC says something blatantly sexist and is upvoted for it, how is that not representative of TRP as a whole?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/14 07:59 PM
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I agree with you, I can totally see how some people get off on the outrage, TBP even calls itself "perpetual outrage machine" I think. The problem I have with TRP is that a lot of people who are expressing that level of rage will attack people who disagree with them and make crazy assumptions like everyone lives in their skewed version of reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/14 07:56 PM
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RPW is valuable to me in that there's none of the PC tiptoeing that goes on in every single other relationship or sex oriented sub so when discussing certain subjects you're not getting the watered down feminist approved opinions that people think others want to hear. I might not agree with all or even most of what gets posted there, but that's the beauty of thinking for ones self. That would be fine if they weren't also advocating straight up hate. This is a collection from one of the mods of R…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/14 07:36 PM
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A few extreme examples proves nothing. It's far from a few. Did you even read them? There's over 40 examples in one album alone, and I listed three other compilations on top of that. TRP is just a collection of the plain hard facts of male-female sexual dynamics, no more no less. Citation needed. TRP is full of bullshit pseudoscience designed to gratify a specific type of man's ego, the vast majority of the "science" on TRP are blog links and popsci.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/14 07:30 PM
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All the positive things you just listed about TRP are available elsewhere without the misogyny included, so why would you go to TRP unless you benefit from or agree with the sexism? It's not exactly a revelation that being attractive and having good social skills is more likely to get you laid than being ugly and awkward.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/14 07:27 PM
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Why does this sub exist then, if there's no productive discussion to be had? I can understand why "blue pillers" are here, sexism is a societal problem and confronting it where you can is beneficial to some if only for catharsis. I'm not linking to random comments by one off users though, there are examples from mods and ECs over at trp. If mods/ecs aren't representatives of TRP, who is?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/14 07:25 PM
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Even if they're not serious, it doesn't mean it isn't bigotry. That's like making an obviously racist joke and then going "just kidding!!" Some people might not think it's a big deal, but others will be offended and rightly so.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/14 07:23 PM
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I didn't compile any of these, they're linked from various effort posts. Your unwillingness to click through more than one example just proves your bias. It's like reading the first sentence of a book and deciding you don't like it, your mind was made up before you even opened the front cover.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/14 07:21 PM
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Seriously, I think all told I linked to around 100 different screenshotted examples of bigotry straight from TRP user accounts. Looking at one and dismissing the rest of them shows how invested he is in considering an alternative perspective.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/14 07:19 PM
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I wasn't saying that you have irrational beliefs, I was saying that attempting to support TRP within the context of a rational discussion as outlined by that flowchart would require the support of irrational beliefs, because TRP is founded on irrational beliefs. I like how you personalized it by implying I believe you oppress your family though, it shows how seriously you're willing to take me. This is part of why I think participating in "discussions" on this sub is futile. I was hesitant to li…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/14 07:15 PM
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I don't really think this is on topic, being anti-feminist isn't the same as identifying with TRP. Do you identify with TRP? If you do, would you agree that the opinions of endorsed contributors, mods, and comments that are highly upvoted are more representative of TRP than the opinion of a lesser known user, even if that user has the more rational opinion? Part of the reason why TRP is such a hotbed of hatred is because subscribers with dissenting opinions are likely to get banned.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/14 06:13 PM
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Hahaha, seems like there needs to be a "here for the drama" flair on this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/14 06:10 PM
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Did you even look at the examples I listed? They're from mods and endorsed contributors. If the mods and ECs aren't representative of TRP at large, who is?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/14 05:59 PM
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So you agree that you're unwilling to have a rational discussion about TRP because doing so would force you to support irrational beliefs? Did you look at the rational discussion flowchart I linked?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/14 05:50 PM
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Omfg. I thought you were kidding, but nope: Refusing to shame sluts is de facto encouragement of slutty behavior. Shame exists for a reason. I'm attracted to a lot of 13 year olds but (legality aside) part of the reason I don't go around fucking them is because it's socially unacceptable and I would be ostracized. Some people might say this is a flawed analogy but I don't think so. There's a reason we don't want adults fucking 13 year olds and there's a reason we don't want women to be sluts. I …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/14 05:49 PM
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I agree, but in my mind seeing casual sex as sinful and sex with someone you love as ideal is just as bad as the reverse because there's always going to be a marginalized group. I think people should accept their sexuality for whatever it is and live their lives accordingly. Some people are wired to be polyamorous, others are monogamists, some people desire casual sex, others don't. Human sexuality is massively varied and as long as an individual's sexuality isn't harming anyone it should be cel…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/14 04:07 PM
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Sex without love is a very recent invention Nope. Marriage started as a literal contract, a transference of "property" from one man to another, the word husband used to mean ‘male head of a household’ or ‘manager, steward’ from the Old Norse húsbóndi meaning ‘master of a house.’ Lots of women, especially the ones from well off families, had absolutely no say in who they were to marry. This still happens in certain cultures today. While I'm sure there are lots of people who are demisexual, I don'…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/14 03:37 PM
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You don't know anything about me, why would you assume I'm "partying it up?" I've never been a partier, I'm just not ready to be a parent at 25.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/14 03:24 PM
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It's a shorter way to say "I'm only sexually attracted to people I'm in love with" assuming the person knows what it means or has the motivation to look it up. Would you ask a gay/bi/genderqueer/asexual person to be themselves without using a label? It's just another characteristic of mine, the same as being introverted or blue eyed etc. I don't go to demisexual pride parades or anything like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/14 03:22 PM
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This sub is where two circlejerks meet. I have a feeling there's tons of lurkers who downvote anything that doesn't agree with their "side" regardless of the quality of the post.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/14 10:02 PM
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It's not morality that stops you from having incest. Citation needed, that's the only thing that stops some people from acting on their attraction, same as other paraphilias. Lots of animals regularly engage in incest as well, conditioning is a huge part of what stops people from doing it as well. If incest were avoided by a strictly biological mechanism genetic sexual attraction wouldn't exist. I love how you think my comparison of one sex act to another is poor, and instead believe a better co…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/14 08:59 PM
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Circlejerking is against the rules.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/14 08:48 PM
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Without some sort of stigma people will behave badly, the lowest common denominator wins. Orly? So if incest weren't taboo, we'd all be fucking our family? This just shows how deterministic your viewpoint is. Not everyone is naturaly inclined to behave a certain way. Teenagers should face consequences, not remain protected until they are 35, unless they have a baby in which case growing up is put on a backburner and society expects less from them. Ahahaha! Are you saying that society doesn't exp…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/14 08:09 PM
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You're so caught up in your fixed ideas of how the world works you can't envision a scenario where none of the shit you're blathering on about is even applicable -- which is where I live. My experience doesn't correlate with your description of "how men communicate" and I have a feeling I'd never personally associate with the type of guy you view as "successful with women" as we'd be fundamentally incompatible. You're talking about a specific subset of people this sort of appoach might work on a…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/14 07:44 PM
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You're not thinking about the individual though, teenage/single moms shouldn't be pitied or "represent a warning for the rest of society" because they're people, not symbols. Teenagers shouldn't have to be moms at all, parenthood should be a conscious choice and not a mistake or an inevitability as would be the case in a society where women are forced to "be careful" about who they sleep with because they may have a child as a result. Everyone deserves the right to bodily autonomy. Women without…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/14 05:55 PM
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much smaller birth rates Denmark is one of the most egalitarian countries in the world, and their birth rate is at a 27 year low. This is the case in most countries with a high level of reproductive choice. India, one of the worlds most populated countries, has a huge problem providing sexual health services to its population which is contributing to its growth.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/14 04:56 PM
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I'm 25 so I'd probably have a couple of kids by now, which absolutely horrifies me. I feel way too young to be a mom, my SO and I are waiting another 5 years to even start thinking about it. Both of our parents were young parents and we're not going down the same road, our shit will be very much together before any kid comes along. Thanks, easily accessible birth control/sexual health clinics!
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/14 04:44 PM
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The reason why you don't like negging is because you don't understand how guys communicate. That's a pretty huge assumption to make about someone you don't know. Also, are you purporting to understand how half the population communicates as if men are some kind of monolith? That's a pretty big responsibility, speaking for All Men Everywhere... The rest of what you've written is a bunch of stereotypical bullshit, far from revelatory and far from universally applicable. If you want to believe that…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/14 04:24 PM
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I identify as demisexual, I have to be emotionally involved with someone before I become sexually attracted to them. I find lots of people physically attractive, but that doesn't make me want to fuck them.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/14 05:11 AM
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I mean "positive" as in "the opposite of negative." If I think someone's a douche, it doesn't matter how physically attractive or confident they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/14 05:10 AM
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Liking someone and wanting someone might be two different things, but for me they're mutually inclusive. I've never wanted a guy I didn't like.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/14 04:33 AM
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Not sure about the rest of the world, but for me seeing someone in a positive light is a prerequisite to attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/14 03:31 AM
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Lol, "the female" Negging in general is shitty and a dumb way to try to relate to someone, but I think most people who are into that reserve negs for "targets" they perceive as having an inflated sense of self worth with the intention of taking their egos down a notch. That's fine in and of itself, the problem is taking a huge mental leap and believing that negging will make the person you've negged see you in a positive light afterwards, which is highly unlikely. tldr: If you're going to neg yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/14 03:06 AM
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Naww, thanks :3 Sounds like we have similar experiences!!
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/14 01:14 AM
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I don't think it's appropriate to compare a fictional scene like we're talking about to real life sexual assault because in "gray rape" situations it's important to get an account of what happened from both parties, because what one person may consider sexual assault another wouldn't. In the case of ASOIAF, the author is the only person with access to his character's minds and he stated that the scene we're discussing is meant to be disturbing for a number of reasons, but that he didn't write it…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/14 01:10 AM
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I don't understand why you think I'd bring up real life murder, we're talking about violence in movies. That's like asking if it would be easier witnessing a real rape after seeing a rape scene in a movie. The point I was making was that crime is glorified in the media and presented as entertainment especially in American media. I'd much rather see gratuitous sex than gratuitous violence, which is why I brought up the differences in European and American media.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/14 06:31 PM
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Here, read it for yourself: She kissed him. A light kiss, the merest brush of her lips on his, but he could feel her tremble as he slid his arms around her. “I am not whole without you.” There was no tenderness in the kiss he returned to her, only hunger. Her mouth opened for his tongue. “No,” she said weakly when his lips moved down her neck, “not here. The septons…” “The Others can take the septons.” He kissed her again, kissed her silent, kissed her until she moaned. Then he knocked the candl…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/14 04:55 PM
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Yeah, it was definitely consensual in the books, Cersei said "Do me Jaime" among other things, Cersei was also on her period which was made clear in the books and totally ignored on the show. There was also a lot more context given to their relationship in the books. In the series, Cersei and Jamie fuck once in the first season and then spend almost all of their time apart until the fourth season which also changes the way viewers of the show would see their relationship compared to those who re…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/14 01:45 PM
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does murder in movies normalize murder? Yep. There's a reason why you're more likely to see someone get murdered on American TV than a pair of tits, senseless violence is marketed as entertainment. It's the complete opposite in many other countries, especially in Europe. This is interesting because countries that are more permissive about portraying sexuality in the media instead of violence are also likely to have stricter gun laws.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/14 06:22 AM
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Thanks for the explanation, I realize the error of my ways now. I can see you're just way too smart for me, consider my tail firmly between my legs.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/14 02:10 AM
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Because now's the time for whatever reference you're making.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/14 01:59 AM
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A bit late considering you've continued to rant at me, don't you think?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/14 01:54 AM
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In your opinion. I'm sure plenty of people would find the posts I linked offensive, and plenty of others would agree with you and think it's fine to body shame. You don't agree with me, but that doesn't make your perspective of my opinion "fact."
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/14 01:53 AM
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AHAHA! Your evidence was to say that none of it was meant to be taken seriously. Strong stuff man.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/14 01:48 AM
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Lol! You're the one who replied to me genius, I didn't instigate a thing. Tagging you to make sure this doesn't happen again, toodles!
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/14 01:44 AM
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Cute, and so necessary. Go troll someone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/14 01:42 AM
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Sounds like a really fucked up situation, but I'm not sure how it's applicable to TRP? If a woman wants to get an abortion and her partner wants to divorce/leave her over it, that seems pretty clear cut to me. No one's wrong, it's just a sad dilemma with no happy solution.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/14 01:38 AM
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I can see that no matter what I say you're not going to agree with me, and the posts I've provided clearly prove that body shaming is acceptable over at TRP, so whether or not TRP explicitly endorses body shaming is moot. I'm not interested in listening to you rationalize why every hateful example I showed you is actually okay.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/14 01:35 AM
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My SO is my best friend, I'm so thankful I found him and that we're going to be together foreverrr! creepy smile But what makes him who he is isn't his maleness, he's a good person "on the inside" and I'd love him just the same if he magically transformed into a woman or an alien or something as long as his "soul" remained intact. I like the fact that most of my friendships with men are topical/based on mutual interests, there's not a lot of interpersonal venting that goes on in my friendships w…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/14 01:33 AM
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Can you give a tldr for this video? I got three minutes in, still didn't understand anything specific about the 'situation' they were talking about and saw there was 10+ minutes to go and quit.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/14 01:16 AM
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Well if we want to talk about body shaming in general instead of advocating steroid use, you're giving me even more ammo. /u/skinny_bitches used to be pretty popular over at TRP and was right out of the RoK "date women with eating disorders" camp. Here is the kind of vile shit he used to spew. Also, here's /u/GayLubeOil rationalizing the use of steroids by comparing them to birth control and sex reassignment: First off I’m not encouraging anyone to join the dark side, I’m just giving you some fa…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/14 01:08 AM
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...I wasn't reading into the comments though, because the post was advocating steroid use, so of course the comments would be polarizing. There are other posts and comments by other users of TRP advocating the same thing. I'm not trying to say that all of TRP supports body shaming and an unrealistic aesthetic, but some of their members and ECs definitely do and they're much more likely to be supported in TRP than they are in other subs like /r/fitness.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/14 12:32 AM
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http://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/1ftlrc/testosterone_is_the_red_pill_how_steroids_changed/ This took like 2 seconds of searching, but I've seen ECs advocate steroid use in comments multiple times as well, especially /u/GayLubeOil.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/14 07:56 PM
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I think TRP is a haven for body shaming in general. There are plenty of users there who shame male as well as female bodies, encouraging negative behaviors like steroid use and excessive exercise (certain bodybuilding practices for example can be VERY damaging) attaching self worth to attractiveness, etc. I exercise regularly and I'm all for body positivity and self improvement, but the attitude TRPers have towards the body in general is negative to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/14 04:57 PM
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If "you all" realize it, how come you're the only one pointing it out? Pretty sure the rest of the replies have been on topic instead of misdirected hostility. I'm not judging anyone, I simply asked a question to stimulate discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/14 10:57 PM
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Yeahhh...except I'm OP, not her. And where have I come off as biased or judgmental anywhere in this thread? I've barely participated, I'm genuinely looking for input from others.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/14 10:52 PM
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Just stop, this is so cringey.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/14 07:30 PM
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http://www.reddit.com/r/relationships/comments/24dyof/i_23_f_am_starting_to_feel_creeped_out_by_my/
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/14 07:26 PM
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In your mind, what qualifies as abuse if this relationship isn't abusive?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/14 06:42 PM
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And if you are a person who dates or marries men, what do you expect from your partners? Monogamy, good sex, emotional support and intimacy, friendship, respect, openess and honesty, and a positive outlook on life.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/14 01:32 PM
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It's not okay for anyone to lie about their sexual past, but I don't consider omission to be a lie unless directly questioned. IE if a person was raped, I don't think that person is obligated to tell future LTRs etc about being raped unless directly questioned..and hopefully most people wouldn't be so forward and insensitive early in a relationship when sexual past talks are likely to come up. I'm probably a bit of a minority in that I care about how many partners a guy has had, the fewer the be…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/14 08:44 PM
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I know /u/reals_before_feels probably isn't going to listen to a thing you say because absolutely nothing is going to distract him from deluding himself, but I just wanted to let you know that you write some seriously good quality posts and I appreciate them!
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/14 03:34 PM
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After seeing for myself how absurd your arguments with other users are, I'm alllll set with you, buddy. 60+ downvotes on single comments of yours and tons of sound rebuttals and you remain pigheaded. Hope you enjoy your ignorance, try not to harm anyone but yourself with it!
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/14 12:51 PM
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Woahhh, rereading what I wrote I can totally understand how you misinterpreted me but I found your comment from your post in TBP, I was talking about the guy you linked to and not you ahahaha. Sorry!!
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/14 03:53 AM
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This is hilarious, but it's kind of sad at the same time. You've gotta be a "special" kind of person to be proven wrong over and over again and still have the stubborn narrowmindedness to continue to antagonize people who are clearly more educated and only trying to help. No point wasting time attempting to enlighten someone who's got their head lodged deeply up their own ass, some people make a conscious choice to be ignorant.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/14 01:51 AM
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Nobody cares if it's sexist. I care if it's sexist, pretty sure a lot of other people do as well considering there's a whole sub devoted to mocking it. If you want to buy into TRP, go right ahead and be sexist, but don't expect those of us with more sense to swallow the same bullshit. It's clear you're not actually considering a thing I have to say, so we're done here.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/14 07:21 PM
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The difference between your argument and mine is that you're thinking of specific individuals when you present your thoughts (your boss, your wife) and I'm thinking about an entire group of people (women) when I present mine. Believing that all women will lie, be hypergamous, etcetc and acting based upon that belief will result in a completely different set of potential behaviors than believing that a specific individual you know well will or having a positive outlook in general. TRP makes basel…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/14 07:10 PM
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Ahahaha, citation needed. Thoughts are prerequisites for actions, thinking 'all women are hypergamous children incapable of true love' will produce a very different mindset and behavior than 'women are people I respect and want meaningful relationships with.' For example, a guy with a shitty mindset about women might be suspicious of them and think that he needs to be prepared to experience negative behavior from a woman before there's even a reason to be anticipating that sort of thing, while a…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/14 06:54 PM
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He's assertive, charismatic, funny, confident, clearly works out, is well-read, has a lot of interesting things to talk about, and always seems to know somebody useful he can contact in most subject areas. These qualities aren't unique to TRP, and following TRP advice only serves as a detriment to the positive traits you described. The guy you've described isn't even RP as you've left out all the pseudoscientific bullshit about how women are inferior adversaries.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/14 06:26 PM
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Seconding the internet comment, met my fiance by chance just fucking around online! Wasn't even trying to do online dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/14 05:54 PM
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Publically vowing to acquit a demonstrably guilty rapist isn't defensible in any context.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/14 03:28 AM
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http://www.salon.com/2014/02/23/worse_than_wal_mart_amazons_sick_brutality_and_secret_history_of_ruthlessly_intimidating_workers/ Would you also blame amazon's male leadership for the abuse of its workers? If there were more women in positions of power at amazon, perhaps conditions would be better for the little guys?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/14 07:44 PM
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RP mods only bestow 'endorsed contributer' status on people whose input they value. An EC is considered a representative of TRP at large, someone newbies should listen to. The mods of TRP go above and beyond and give ECs who advocate sexual assault special flair to show their approval. If comments made by ECs aren't representative of TRP, what is?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/14 06:43 PM
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This isn't TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/14 06:32 PM
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Should I be called to sit on a jury for a rape trial, I vow publicly to vote not guilty, even in the face of overwhelming evidence that the charges are true. -- Paul Elam
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/14 06:29 PM
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Back before TRP had gained the subscribers it had now, this post titled "Women Have No Value Beyond Their Pussies" was upvoted to the sub's #1 post before it was brigaded. This is the kind of person that TRP attracted to it back before its popularity on Reddit changed the type of person who finds the sub. And this is the kind of shit the mod of TRP says/advocates. So yeah, redditors don't hate TRP because we're all a bunch of feminazis who want to make sure the betas stay incel. TRP is a haven f…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/14 05:00 PM
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He's like a he-man action figure -- too fake looking.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/14 04:05 AM
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Christian Bale is super hot in the face so I have a bias there, but strictly looking at his body he's too big for my taste in that movie. His body was perfect in American Psycho though :D
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/14 03:21 AM
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Bleh, I'm really not attracted to guys who are super jacked, I much prefer a leaner build like this or this. If guys get too big they remind me of this.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/14 10:06 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate isn't a proper debate sub and it never has been. PPD is where two circlejerks and a few confused wanderers meet to rant at each other under the transparent veil of debate/'discussion.' Most of the regulars here are looking to proselytize, here's no 'delta system' or anything even close to it as there is in /r/changemyview and other debate subs to signify when a person's debated well. PPD doesn't even lay out the rules of debate, the rules in the sidebar cater strictly to mini…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/14 05:34 PM
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Exactly, why objectify someone when you can just as easily say "friends with benefits" or even "fuck buddy"?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/14 02:20 AM
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There's nothing alpha about that website design, wtf.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/14 02:25 PM
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We're highly social animals, a nuclear family doesn't provide enough social stimulation for the majority of kids -- they need to be given the opportunity to be among their peers. With your narrow definition of parenting the only people who do it right are fundamentalist crazies like the Duggars who homeschool their kids and never let them out of the house unless it's with the whole family to preapproved destinations. Daycare/school helps children develop healthy social skills in addition to offe…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/14 04:35 PM
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Daycare is subsidized by the government in lots of countries, I know it's free in Sweden from ages 1-6 or so, it's more of a social than a financial decision for many families. In addition to the financial benefits of a dual income family, parents often need time away from their kids in the adult world for their mental health. Being a stay at home parent can be incredibly isolating and draining. It's also really important to begin socializing children early and daycare is beneficial for them as …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/14 04:13 PM
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I don't think there's anything wrong with mutually consenting lifestyle D/s relationships, but no one should be advocating that style of relationship as the best model for everyone. I got banned from RPW way back in the day because I argued that RPW shouldn't have to be in a C/FO relationship in order to be RPW. I was told that if a woman is in an egalitarian relationship or a relationship where she is the dominant one, she wouldn't be a RPW. There are tons of women out there who want "tradition…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/14 06:03 PM
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Not trying to hurt anybody's feelings, just being realistic. It seems like there's a misconception among a significant portion of TRPers that men age like fine wine which is far from the truth for the vast majority. Jon Hamm didn't age into his looks like /u/AdmiralVonJackass seemed to be indicating, he's been hot his entire adult life. If anything there are more examples of slow declines in Hollywood: Leonardo DiCaprio doesn't exactly look like Jack from Titanic any more and Brad Pitt's no Tyle…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/14 05:15 AM
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Here's Jon Hamm at 25. Look past the heinous 90s haircut and what do you know, he's super hot at 25! Imagine that, genetically gifted 25yos blooming into genetically gifted 43yos. Just like Jon Hamm will be attractive well into old age, all unattractive 25yos have to look forward to is being old and unattractive instead of young and unattractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/14 03:22 AM
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In 2013, 33% of couples who got married were within one year of each other. The second largest group involved husbands being 2-3 years older than their wives.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/14 10:02 PM
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If someone has a genetic predisposition away from monogamy, wouldn't that suggest they would indeed be more likely to cheat? Only if they've been socially conditioned to believe that monogamy is something they must adhere to. You can only cheat if you've entered into a monogamous relationship, which would be ill advised for someone who's not naturally inclined to be monogamous. A self aware polyamorous person would be unlikely to put themselves in this scenario. While having gay sex itself obvio…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/14 06:15 PM
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A pejorative (also term of abuse, term of disparagement, or derogatory term) is a word or grammatical form of expression that expresses contempt, criticism, hostility, disregard and/or disrespect. Pejorative or not, it's pretty common usage in America to describe a gay person as a fag/dyke. Pejorative or not, it's pretty common usage in America to describe a black/chinese/hispanic/middle eastern person as a nigger/gook/spic/raghead. Would you encourage the use of all slurs that degrade a person …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/14 05:54 PM
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I made a distinction between personal preferences/points of compatibility and judging people at large which you seemed to have missed. Evaluate your potential partners however you'd like, everyone is entitled to seek compatible partnerships. There's a difference between saying 'I'm incompatible with (identifying trait X) people' and 'X-type of people are disgusting/immoral/beneath me' simply because of an identifying trait.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/14 05:45 PM
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I was making a point that a word which is commonly accepted as degrading will be perceived as such even if a minority of people have 'reclaimed' the word for the better. A similar example would be calling someone a fag and saying it's not degrading -- just cause a man wants to have sex with other men doesn't mean he has to, he does make a choice to have sex with men whether his desire to have sex with men is innate or not. The same goes for promiscuity. People who are promiscuous have an innate …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/14 05:32 PM
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That's like saying you don't think it's fucked up to call a black person a nigger, just that the negative connotation needs to be removed from the word. Calling someone a slut implies that there's something inherently wrong/dirty about being a promiscuous woman. Yeah, you can call a promiscuous woman promiscuous: 'having or characterized by many transient sexual relationships,' it's not derogatory or gendered.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/14 04:34 PM
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Some people (including myself) believe that sociosexual orientation is as innate as sexual orientation. I chose that article because it's easy to comprehend but you can find a number of scholarly articles on sociosexuality if you're interested.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/14 04:29 PM
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That's not honesty, he wasn't describing the word slut either. He was describing promiscuity, slut has a markedly pejorative and gendered connotation.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/14 04:17 PM
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Slut or slattern is a term applied to an individual who is considered to have loose sexual morals or who is sexually promiscuous. The term is generally pejorative and most often used as an insult, sexual slur or offensive term of disparagement, meaning "dirty or slovenly". The term has historically been used to describe females in a derogatory manner, only recently being used as a term for men, requiring the clarification term of "male slut." -- Wikipedia There's a societally accepted negative c…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/14 04:15 PM
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I think there's a big difference between 'people' and 'potential partners' here. Everybody's different and people have a wide variety of personal preferences -- there's nothing wrong with seeking potential partners who conform to those preferences. What's wrong is judging a category of people based on one trait and considering them as lesser-than or beneath you for it. There's nothing wrong with preferring LTRs with people who have a low partner count, but it's fucked up to call people with high…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/14 02:10 AM
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US citizenship. My man's from Scandinavia so we'll both be eligible for dual citizenship after x years of marriage, not sure of the exact timeframe. I think I'm getting the better end of the deal though, doubt he actually wants to become an American!
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/14 10:46 PM
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What does that have to do with anything I've posted in this thread or the derailing reply you made? I didn't mention virginity once. Did you even read what I wrote?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/14 06:16 PM
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Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit. If you aren't going to explain whatever fault it is you find with my personal approach to relationships in a serious manner don't bother replying, I'll just report your comment for trolling/derailing.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/14 05:48 PM
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I care about my partner's attitude and approach to sex, and their partner count typically correlates with that. I need to be in love with someone before I want them inside me, the concept of casual sex is a completely baffling turnoff to me. I don't judge people who have casual sex as I think sociosexual orientation is at least partially hardwired but I couldn't be in a relationship with someone who made casual sex a big part of their life. I don't understand why a promiscuous man would want to …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/14 04:42 PM
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I'm a 25yo woman engaged to a 26yo man. I would be totally crushed regardless of who the illness happened to, my reaction would depend on what it was though. It's a lot different to react to something that won't happen for decades, this couple still has a life ahead of them and who knows what advancements will be made before his diagnosis becomes a reality. It's a lot more optimistic than someone with terminal pancreatic cancer or some other disease that will act much more quickly. I know I woul…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/14 12:35 AM
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To what extent is a married man entitled to sex? No one is entitled to sex, married or not. If someone doesn't want to have sex for any reason they don't have to (and they shouldn't) regardless of what anyone else wants or feels they're entitled to. Assuming marriage, to what extent is a woman entitled to financial benefits provided by her husband? She's not. Marriage isn't a business transaction. It's up to each individual couple to figure out how they want to handle their finances. If they wan…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/14 07:31 PM
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Source?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/14 08:44 PM
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Cheating =/= sex positivity, it violates the notion of informed consent which is fundamental to sex positivity. What about lying and breaking a promise to a partner sounds sex positive?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/14 05:26 PM
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Should displays of tenderness/emotional intimacy be mandatory for the husband? If she's feeling needy and he's pissed off for whatever reason, should he fake being all lovey dovey just cause she wants him to be?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/14 05:16 PM
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About 90% of women wanted tenderness, regardless of how long they had been in a relationship, but only 25% of men who had been in a relationship for 10 years said they were still seeking tenderness from their partner. Interesting, I wonder if there's a correlation between lack of tenderness and lack of sex in a LTR.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/14 05:53 AM
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I think the root of this problem is that society as a whole looks at emotional vulnerability as weakness and stoicism as strength despite the fact that it's actually the other way around most of the time. This is equally bad for men and women. It's only okay for a woman to be emotionally vulnerable because women are thought of as the 'weaker sex' and men have to be 'rock solid' emotionally or risk emasculation. It's shitty from every perspective. What needs to happen is a shift in how society lo…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/14 12:56 AM
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I went to a high school that taught 'both sides' of sex ed (abstinence only and real sex ed) because in order to get federal funding for a sex ed program you have to include abstinence only education as part of the program. We had someone like me come in and teach real sex education, but only after a woman from a pro life 'clinic' came in and compared having sex to dropping a lollipop on the floor over and over to show you how wrong and dirty it was. Pretty backwards country we live in when the …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/14 03:06 AM
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I work in community outreach as a sex educator. I go to high schools and colleges teaching sex ed in addition to working in an actual clinic providing counseling. I adore my job and reading some of the negative RP attitudes about sex only inspires me even more to educate people on how to have healthy attitudes and practices towards sex and sexuality.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/14 02:57 AM
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This article is an unintelligent, sexist, offensive rant. You haven't even asked a topical question about it so there's nothing to focus discussion on. It's clearly a RP article and PPD is supposed to be neutral. Post this shit to TRP if you want to circlejerk over it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/14 01:54 AM
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This article explains pretty well how I feel about PUAs. Being approached by someone using PUA tactics makes me really uncomfortable and I do what I can not to be put in those situations which sometimes means saying no to invitations to bars etc. PUA isn't anyone's first choice for a reason, you don't pay some guy $3000 unless you're desperate. I think the majority of PUA material targets socially awkward men and teaches them unhealthy social skills. Life doesn't come with a script or a playbook…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/14 12:04 AM
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Making blanket statements about half the population? An 'us vs them' mentality? You're a bigot, plain and simple.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/14 05:21 PM
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Life must be tough being sexually attracted to people you think so little of. Forget about what it must be like to fuck someone and later find out they think of you as a means to an end instead of a person, you're the real victim here buddy! Let me call the wahmbulance.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/14 04:12 PM
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If you're going to fuck someone, they should be more than just a hole to you. Women are people, not pussy incubators. Saying you wouldn't associate with women if you weren't interested in sex with them shows you have very little respect for the people you're attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/14 03:55 PM
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http://www.tenga-global.com/products/hole/flip_hole_black.php You can buy yourself a warm hole if that's all you're interested in.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/14 03:44 PM
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Yes, safe spaces exist online. There are plenty of other subs that enforce safe space rules, /r/creepypms is one of them off the top of my head.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/14 07:24 PM
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We're not talking about consensual dirty talk, we're talking about slurs as they define women since that's how the OP phrased it. I didn't include the other terms for a reason, friends/fwb isn't gendered and wife obviously isn't degrading or sex negative. Just because a woman willingly labels herself a slut doesn't mean that it's not a sexist, sex negative term. I'm talking about the societal implications of the words.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/14 07:22 PM
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Sexist and sex negative terms: whore, slut, gold digger, prostitute. All of these have a female connotation. All of these terms are also used as insults intended to reduce a woman's existence to a sexual function for the purpose of dehumanizing her. The fact that these insults are sexual gendered slurs reinforces our sex negative society by promoting the notion that women having sex outside of what our sex negative society defines as acceptable is degrading. Sex isn't inherently bad, a person's …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/14 07:00 PM
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This seems sketchy. I don't know about other people here but I definitely wouldn't want anyone from this sub knowing what I look like or other personal details about me. There's too many trolls and this place isn't a safe space.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/14 06:26 PM
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There really needs to be a 'no derailing/stay on topic' rule. I've noticed a lot of trolls (mostly RPers in my observation) are highly argumentative and uninterested in actual debate and clutter threads with low quality posts. It's not appropriate for someone to respond to a valid point with something like 'k' for instance. Downvoting posts like these doesn't violate reddiquette (I think..) and it's the only recourse we have against low value content when there's no rule against derailing.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/14 02:40 AM
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No, you're the one saying that. I'll kindly request that you not put words in my mouth.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/14 02:16 AM
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No one is entitled to sex. If a man wants to get laid, he needs to find someone who's enthusiastic about fucking him. If no one wants to fuck him, that's nobody's problem but his.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/14 03:14 PM
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I randomly found and used to post at RPW (without any actual knowledge of TRP) but I was banned as a troll for disagreeing with the notion that all relationships should be male-led a la the 'Captain/First Mate' dynamic. Getting banned resulted in someone suggesting PPD to me. But no, I definitely don't identify as a red piller. I don't accept the label 'blue piller' either because it's directly associated with TRP, anything that isn't 'red pill' is 'blue pill' which makes about as much sense as …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/14 06:44 PM
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I'm a strict monogamist. Casual sex is a turnoff for me, I actively avoid places where I could be approached for that purpose like bars/clubs, dating sites etc. I have a low partner count and I look for the same in a partner. I wouldn't be interested in any kind of open relationship, even a more serious one like some kind of polyamorous situation. I'm a sex positive egalitarian so I have nothing against casual sex or open relationships/polyamory conceptually or as valid lifestyle choices for oth…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/14 06:31 PM
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It sounds to me like you're looking for an incredibly specific form of help. Not everyone is a young socially awkward guy who needs help figuring out how to even feel good about himself let alone approach women. Casual sex is an incredibly broad topic and everyone is looking for something different. Saying /r/sex isn't a valid resource to go to for advice about casual sex is plainly wrong, you're picking apart posts I found and skimmed in five minutes to prove simply that casual sex advice is a …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/14 10:04 PM
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Ahahaha 1972 was a loooong time ago for the reddit demographic. I thought I was being retro by referencing blink 182, damn.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/14 09:58 PM
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It's offensive because it implies that's all women are to him, how is that not ill intent? Women aren't vaginas, they're people and deserve to be respected as such. Don't you think many TRPers would be offended if a woman casually referred to men as 'wallets' or 'atms' when describing them? How is this any different?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/14 09:55 PM
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There's no blue pill ideology, the blue pill subreddit is only called that in mockery of the red pill. Someone who buys into red pill ideology sees anything that contradicts the 'red pill' as 'blue pill' much like a christian would view certain things as 'christian' and others as 'secular.' You can't endorse 'the blue pill.' All I'm asking for is that the mods not endorse the use of gendered slurs by casually using them in the sidebar. The words are offensive and telling someone not to be a dick…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/14 09:50 PM
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He spent high school "doing all the right things" being respectful, nice etc etc. yet he can't get a date to save his life. Literally invisible to vagina. It's in the post he submitted yesterday titled RedPill alternative: http://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/21rksb/redpill_alternative/
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/14 09:13 PM
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A minority group is a sociological category within a demographic. Rather than a relational "social group", as the term would indicate, the term refers to a category that is differentiated and defined by the social majority, that is, those who hold the majority of positions of social power in a society. The differentiation can be based on one or more observable human characteristics, including, for example, ethnicity, race, gender, wealth, health or sexual orientation. Women don't hold a majority…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/14 08:58 PM
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So it's okay for RPers to be casually sexist when addressing a neutral space? He reduced women to a sexual object with that remark which is offensive to women's personhood and patently untrue. I don't think what that purple piller said is equivalent to what /u/rage47 said. She didn't objectify anyone, implying someone might be an asshole for behavior they can control isn't the same as reducing someone's personhood to a singular purpose.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/14 08:55 PM
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The internet is serious business :3 No but seriously, I think TRP is misogynistic and I want to have actual debates about it, not petulant circlejerky arguments. The best way to do that is to endorse a neutral space.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/14 08:38 PM
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I think you're right about there not being a default safe space on the internet, but that's not the case in reality at all. Most places are 'safe spaces,' which is why people with extreme views are attracted to the internet for its anonymity and 'locker room talk' has the connotation of being private. I'm not arguing that places with 100% free speech shouldn't exist at all, I'm saying that a community with such a divisive membership such as this shouldn't be one of those spaces. People are natur…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/14 08:34 PM
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I think a lot of men (reading sex positive material from a sexually/romantically unsuccessful perspective) conflate behavior that can be perceived as creepy with being a creep innately and assume women (coming from a perspective of being approached by someone she's uninterested in) mean the latter. More socially aware men probably wouldn't respond to the same material in the same way.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/14 08:28 PM
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I'd love to continue this topic, I actually think it's really interesting, but I don't want to derail this thread any more. If you're into it make a post, I'd reply to it and I'm sure others would too.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/14 08:20 PM
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Egalitarianism encompasses feminism and more, I don't use the term feminist because I don't think it's enough. I have no interest in listening to your opinions about the supposed evils of feminism, it's not even on topic. Nothxbye!
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/14 08:16 PM
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That happens anyways, even if you call someone out on it as I did to /u/mmmstarchy in a different thread. The best way to stop people from derailing threads like that is to encourage the community to police itself by creating a rule against derailing in debate threads and deleting the offending comments. If you can't stay on topic, concede the point by either not responding or admitting to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/14 08:12 PM
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I think "let's all get along!" posts are a good idea in a sub where tensions can run high, but there should be a clear separation between serious and casual posts. Making jokes, using slurs or otherwise not treating a debate post seriously hinders debate and reduces the overall quality of the sub. A debate post should follow the rules of a traditional debate which means no ad hominems (including ad hominems that are generalized, like referring to women as cunts or 'vaginas' as /u/Rage47 did in h…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/14 08:05 PM
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Are you trying to quote a Blink-182 song? Because it actually goes: Shit, piss, fuck, cunt, cock-sucker, Mother-fucker, tits, fart, turd, and twat. Shit, piss, fuck, cunt, cock-sucker, Mother-fucker, tits, fart, turd, and twat. Shit, piss, fuck, cunt, cock-sucker, Mother-fucker, tits, fart, turd, and twat. Shit, piss, fuck, cunt, cock-sucker, Mother-fucker, tits, fart, turd, and twat. I fucked your mom!
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/14 07:56 PM
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If it's not a safe space it should be stated. And if it's not a safe space, why have a rule about personal attacks at all?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/14 07:53 PM
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That's not the case when you're talking about a majority group in discourse with a minority group. Women and people of color are minorities. Calling someone a nigger is more offensive than calling someone a honky because the word nigger has a connotation of oppression and degradation that honky doesn't have. It's the same with dick vs cunt.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/14 07:51 PM
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I think it's important to recognize that the pursuit of casual sex varies from individual to individual and that there's no gendered line each sex falls on either side of. Some people are highly sociosexual and others aren't, you can see promiscuity and celibacy on both sides. I think it's important to show a wide variety of healthy perspectives on casual sex. Everyone deserves to be heard without judgment or prejudice based on gender. You shouldn't assume you know anything about the reasoning b…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/14 07:47 PM
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That definitely sounds like an improvement! I'd really appreciate it if you'd also consider reducing 'cunt' to 'bitch' or some other vulgarity to make the slurs more equitable.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/14 07:43 PM
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He described a woman 'the piledriving hole she is.' If that's not misogynistic, what is?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/14 07:37 PM
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I haven't violated any rule and I have just as much right to be here as you do. If you don't like what I write, don't read it and don't engage me.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/14 06:54 PM
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If you don't care, why do you keep replying? I really care, so I'm doing everything I can to show that and hopefully effect positive change.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/14 06:53 PM
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Wow, you really aren't hearing me. It's not the word itself that's offensive, it's the implication behind it. It's degrading the same way any slur targeting an identifying characteristic like race or sex is degrading, it implies the target of the slur is innately lesser than the person using the word due to something they have no control over. Implying that it's possible for someone to be reduced to a dick or a cunt is what's offensive.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/14 06:52 PM
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I know ravishment fantasies are exceedingly common, but that doesn't mean it doesn't require communicating about enthusiastic consent from both parties. Ravishment fantasies need to be discussed and agreed upon beforehand to avoid any possible compromise of someone's agency. Vanilla sex isn't strictly a BDSM term any more than the word bitch strictly describes a female dog. It's part of the colloquial vernacular which means 'typical' sex, no psychological fantasy elements involved.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/14 06:48 PM
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I'm including posts from both genders as casual sex isn't just for men. From the mod of /r/sex: http://www.sexpertslounge.com/2011/10/04/sex-for-noobs-the-ins-and-outs-of-casual-sex/ http://www.reddit.com/r/sex/comments/12koxh/i_want_to_ask_him_for_casual_sex_but_i_have_no/ http://www.reddit.com/r/sex/comments/1p97oo/took_a_chance_was_really_straightforward_boosted/ http://www.reddit.com/r/sex/comments/1ya5m2/i_want_to_start_a_hookup_advice_sub_as_an/ I didn't even search for five minutes. I bet…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/14 06:45 PM
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Their presence in the sidebar endorses the use of the word. If you tell someone not to be a cunt, you're implying that they're capable of being a cunt in the first place. It doesn't matter if you're directing it at a group or an individual. Would you tell a minority group debating race not to be wetbacks, niggers, chinks etc? Women and men shouldn't be reduced to cunts and dicks, even if they're behaving poorly. There's no reason to use a slur at all, you can easily convey the message without th…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/14 06:39 PM
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Using gendered slurs encourages bias, especially when those slurs are inequitable. Cunt carries a stronger connotation than dick and its use is being endorsed by the moderators of a community that is supposed to be neutral.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/14 06:37 PM
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Thanks for hearing me out!
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/14 06:33 PM
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I'm not saying that swearing should be completely prohibited, I'm saying you shouldn't endorse the use of gendered slurs in the sidebar, even 'ironically.'
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/14 06:32 PM
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That's exactly why gendered language should be permitted - it's exactly the issues we are discussing. Gendered LANGUAGE, not genered slurs. There's a big difference. That is a very feminine sentiment. I have no problems if my sensibilities are not "protected" and men's discussion spaces are almost never worried about "protecting" people's "sensitivities." While women's spaces almost always are, they even have the term "safe space!" Feminine people participate in this sub and deserve to feel comf…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/14 06:31 PM
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Thank you, I appreciate your willingness to consider the idea. I don't think a debate sub is a place to be casually ironic, we're not here to share a few laughs. If you're not willing to remove the profanity altogether maybe you'd at least make the profanity more equitable.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/14 06:28 PM
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That's just your interpretation of the text. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean there's something nothing about the title 'the probem with nice guys' or 'how not to be creepy,' especially when compared to the material found in some PUA texts that advocate blatant misogyny. Here's an example of misogynistic sex-negative advice from popular PUA blogger Heartiste: Eating a girl out anytime during the first few weeks of dating is beta. When you eat a girl out, you telegraph your incredible …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/14 06:26 PM
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So you're here to insult your posters, and that's a-okay as long as you do it 'equally?' You're admitting that you don't have enough basic respect for the participants in this sub that you're willing not to use profanity to describe them?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/14 06:26 PM
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Cunt has a stronger connotation than dick to many English speakers, and it's considered the most offensive word in the English language to some. A tamer version could've said 'don't be a bitch,' even though that's vulgar as well at least it would be on the same level of harshness as prick/dick. The words aren't even the point though, it's the permissiveness you're conveying with them by including them in the sidebar. Would you tell black people arguing about race relations not to be niggers and …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/14 06:12 PM
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I linked to wikipedia, it wasn't a BDSM kink lexicon. Wikipedia makes a variety of subjects easy to access and understand by the common person. Pointing out the fact that some people like to read romance novels doesn't actually illustrate anything about their true sexuality. Would you draw the same correlation between hentai readers and their real life sexual desires? Fantasy is fantasy, not everyone wants it fulfilled. You've proven exactly nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/14 06:09 PM
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Cunt has a stronger connotation than dick to many English speakers, and it's considered the most offensive word in the English language to some. A tamer version could've said 'don't be a bitch,' even though that's vulgar as well at least it would be on the same level of harshness as prick/dick. The words aren't even the point though, it's the tone you're conveying with them by including them in the sidebar. I wouldn't be making such a big stink if gendered slurs weren't formally endorsed by the …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/14 06:05 PM
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http://www.reddit.com/r/sex/search?q=casual+sex&restrict_sr=on&sort=relevance&t=all There's over 1000 posts, some of them asking for and receiving sex positive advice about having casual sex. Searching for 'how to get laid' yields something like 500 results. Just because it's not useful to you doesn't mean it's not a legitimate sex positive resource.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/14 06:00 PM
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No, it means unbiased. Endorsing the use of gendered slurs endorses bias.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/14 05:34 PM
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the site is mostly rehashing of old feminist tropes, like how nice guys are all evil manipulative creeps, PUAs are all evil manipulative creeps, guys need to learn how 'not to be creepy', and so on in that vein. Can you show me where this is even implied, let alone directly stated? You're just giving an offhanded opinion about this with nothing to back it up. The point of those articles as far as I was able to discern was to teach people positive social skills so they can avoid coming off negati…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/14 05:33 PM
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If you're not going to provide any evidence to back up your assertions please don't engage me. I have no interest in listening to your personal thoughts on the matter. I provided evidence for my reasoning, it's only fair if you do the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/14 05:31 PM
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My point was that the main topics of discussion are RP ideas, or things relating to them, even if that means proposing alternatives. Certainly other ideas about gender relations are welcome, but the main center of this sub is discussing things pertaining to RP ideas. I did not mean that we're here to discuss RP exclusively. I understand and that's what I'm here for as well, but I feel like by including gendered slurs you're marginalizing people who may want to participate but don't feel safe eno…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/14 05:25 PM
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I skimmed the first two links and didn't see anything misandric, so if you have actual quotes you'd like me to read I'd appreciate it. What I'm getting from you is that you don't like the tone of dr nerdlove, but not liking something doesn't make it hateful. I'm not railing against PUA material because PUAs want to get laid, it's because a lot of PUA material perpetuates misogynistic ideology. Dr. Nerdlove is a respectful site that has a basic respect for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/14 05:19 PM
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That's not the point, the point is that there are a myriad of resources that focus on enjoying casual sex in a sex positive way instead of the damaging sexism that TRP promotes. Try /r/sex, you don't even have to leave reddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/14 05:13 PM
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This sub focuses on identity politics, specifically gender. It's not focused on one perspective, that's why it's 'purple pill,' anyone can participate. I believe the use of slurs discourages participation because people will read the sidebar, see how casual the rules are, and either refrain from participation or contribute in a negative way. It also skews the position of the sub and makes it look biased. If you're going to support the use of gendered slurs, what is there to indicate that this su…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/14 05:11 PM
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They may be utterly, boringly normal to you, but that doesn't make it objectively the case. A kink is anything outside of 'vanilla' sex, something that needs to be discussed before acted upon to ensure both parties consent. Ravishment fantasies aren't vanilla to the average person.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/14 05:06 PM
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You're basically saying you agree with me. I think all namecalling and vulgarity should be prohibited from a sub that purports to promote rational discourse as it does nothing to advance debate. The fact that we're in a sub with a strong focus on gender that promotes the use of gendered slurs by including them in the sidebar is hypocritical. Everyone's sensibilities should be protected.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/14 05:01 PM
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It gets the point across in the most intellectually lazy way possible. It's so easy to use common slurs to illustrate a point. I thought this sub was here for debate, it's literally the name of the sub. Would you allow racial slurs in a sub about race, especially in the sidebar? It's also concerning that you've said this sub is about 'discussing TRP' as it places undue focus on TRP. It's 'purple pill' which means anyone is welcome to contribute. With that in mind, everyone's sensibilities should…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/14 04:56 PM
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My opinion as well is that what TRP recommends as aspiration qualities betas should strive for are really beta provider characteristics, like having game (initiating the courtship to jump start a relationship), holding frame (a good husband should be a firm decision maker), being financially successful (obviously), being jacked (to carry out the hard labor around the house), and being groomed and fashionable (to present to friends and families). They seem to be qualities that a good boyfriend or…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/14 04:49 PM
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This is a political sub by it's nature. If you're going to create a sub where any kind of identity politics is the focus, it should be a safe space for all people involved. This means refraining from the use of potentially triggering language like gendered slurs.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/14 04:36 PM
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They deliberately use both dick and cunt to be impartial, and they use coarse language to show that the discussion generally won't pull punches. You can be even more impartial by removing the slurs altogether. Frank discussion can be had without the use of vulgarity. I'm against the use of all gendered slurs in this debate sub, not strictly focused on the feminine slurs.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/14 04:33 PM
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No, it's the slurs I object to. I qualified slurs with 'gendered' because we're in a debate sub that focuses on gender which makes the use of gendered slurs even more inappropriate. If we were in a debate sub that focused on race, I'd be talking about 'racial slurs' instead. Dick and cunt refer to sex and gender, considering the two are inextricable.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/14 04:29 PM
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Feel free to look it up. Considering some of the past comments you've made, you should really know the definition of kink by now.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/14 04:27 PM
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Can you show me examples of the kind of toxic message you're talking about? I've never seen anything hateful on Dr. Nerdlove. I'd appreciate quotes and links.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/14 04:23 PM
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This is a debate sub. If you're not going to add anything that advances your position in the debate, please refrain from replying to anything I post. I'm not interested in crude offhanded remarks.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/14 04:21 PM
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I do, which should be made pretty obvious by my post and comments. If you don't care, why are you replying? You've added nothing that advances the conversation. There's plenty of comments before yours that say the same thing, just use the upvote button.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/14 04:20 PM
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My point is that all you need is one 'be nice' rule that is enforced in a way that people respect it. You don't need to be crude to get your point across, and using gendered slurs is crude. Is this sub a casual discussion sub a la the 'boys locker room' that TRP purports itself to be? I thought the point of this sub was rational debate about RP/BP/gender dynamics. If your goal is productive discourse on these topics, the sub should be a safe space, which means avoiding the use of gendered slurs …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/14 04:19 PM
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I identify as an egalitarian and not as a feminist, but it seems to me you're using the term as a pejorative which I don't appreciate. Keep beating the shit out of that straw man, I hope it makes you feel better buddy!
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/14 04:16 PM
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Lol, if you're not going to take yourselves seriously I guess I won't either. You shouldn't expect any positive discourse in this sub if you're not willing to effectively promote a neutral space. I tried!
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/14 04:10 PM
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I'm not asking for that. I really hope you don't think I hold such an absurd position. I haven't targeted a specific gender either, so I have no idea where you got the notion about women and glass figurines. I simply oppose the use of gendered slurs, especially in this sub's official rules. It's not only unnecessary, it doesn't make any sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/14 07:00 AM
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Here's an excerpt explaining enthusiastic consent: Consent is a mutual verbal, physical, and emotional agreement that happens without manipulation, threats, or head games. Consent is a whole body experience. It is not just a verbal “yes” or “no” – it involves paying attention to your partner as a person and checking in with physical and emotional cues as well. Consent is also mutual (both people have to agree) and must be continuous. You can stop at any time, you can change your mind, and just b…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/14 06:42 AM
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The most important thing in these debates is having participants. And if half of your participants have stated a big part of their disgust with the world is the perceived enforcing of political correctness all the time... Enforcing political correctness in a sub often focusing on political issues as they pertain to gender is highly appropriate. If you're looking for casual discussion where you can express yourself in a politically incorrect way without being called on it, a debate sub isn't the …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/14 05:58 AM
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My issue is with the fact that it doesn't set the best tone. I personally find cunt to be more offensive than dick but the words aren't the point, it's the poor reasoning behind them. Essentially I think of it as a PR problem that may deter some people from contributing. If this were a debate sub about race relations between black and white people would it be appropriate to illustrate a 'no personal attacks' rule by saying 'dont be a nigger, don't be a cracker'? How is it any different using dic…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/14 05:35 AM
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The point of this sub is rational debate. I'm not asking for a ban on vulgarity outright, just pointing out that it's hypocritical to use (and therefore endorse the use of) gendered slurs commonly hurled as personal attacks in a sidebar that's focused on how important it is not to personally attack others.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/14 05:27 AM
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But the point of this sub isn't to offend anyone or protect anyone's right to say whatever they want, which is why there's a rule about no personal attacks in the first place. Debates can get heated and so it's even more important to enforce the prohibition of slurs. We're here for rational debate, not petty namecalling, so why treat namecalling as something funny or casual?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/14 05:25 AM
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I would be more casual about it if this sub weren't focused on gender dynamics. Cunt is considered the most offensive word in the english language by many (51k upvotes shows at least that many people agree) and it's used liberally over at TRP, a simple search for it results in about 70 hits and in the vast majority of those hits the word cunt is used as a personal attack and not a sexual reference. Searching for the word dick yields more hits but also many more positive sexual uses of the term, …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/14 05:22 AM
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My point is that it's just as easy to get the same message across without them. Why be crude when it's unnecessary? It sets a negative tone for the sub, telling someone not to be a dick or a cunt implies that they're capable of being a dick or a cunt in the first place. Saying 'no personal attacks or we'll warn and then ban you' is more direct and not offensive.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/14 05:08 AM
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It's important because the rules are using gendered slurs that are common personal attacks when making a rule about not personally attacking others in a sub focused on debates about gender dynamics.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/14 05:00 AM
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My issue is that they're used at all, especially when they're being used in complete opposition to the message they're trying to convey -- using words that are commonly personal attacks to warn people not to personally attack others? Not only is it unnecessary, it doesn't make any sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/14 04:57 AM
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Scenarios like this should never be 100% spontaneous with no discussion beforehand, just like any other kink. You don't 'just know' that someone has a ravishment fantasy -- it's something that has to be communicated. The point of ravishment for a lot of women isn't being dominated in a BDSM sense of the word. That's an element for some women, but others want to feel 'swept away' and not 'put in their place' so 'doing as you're told' wouldn't be a turnoff like it would be for someone who wants to…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/14 03:55 AM
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What does that have to do with anything I just wrote? I said your scenario is highly unlikely because as you said, a guy who responds to a woman's request to be ravished by ravishing her is showing his enthusiastic consent. I wrote what I did afterwards to explain a more realistic scenario where the 'ravisher' might actually regret it.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/14 03:33 AM
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Your scenario is highly unlikely. Many guys are turned off by the idea of a ravishment fantasy because from their perspective it feels like rape and not ravishment, and for many men a big part of enjoyable sex is about feeling wanted and pleasuring their partner so ravishment seems counterintuitive, especially if the girl wants the scenario to involve reluctance or force. They don't understand the 'being wanted by someone you want' feeling that makes the fantasy hot to some people and instead fe…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/14 03:21 AM
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That's like asking me why I'd be opposed to rape getting people laid. Sex shouldn't be prioritized over another's autonomy. Misogynistic ideologies seek to strip a class of people of their agency based on a characteristic they have no control over. It's no different than racism or homophobia or any other prejudice. I'm a sex positive person. I believe sex should be a great time for everyone involved. We live in a sex negative culture, especially those in the US. If you 'take advantage' of this c…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/14 03:10 AM
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Ravishment fantasies are about feeling wanted by someone you want, not about a loss of agency as with the case of actual rape. Think about all the planning that has to go into the fulfillment of a ravishment fantasy: you need to be communicating with your partner at a high level to even get to the point where an attempt to fulfill a fantasy like that is made in a healthy way, so you're already on the road to obtaining enthusiastic consent. The way to seek enthusiastic consent for people who find…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/14 02:55 AM
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You're right about one thing: I don't care if misogynistic 'advice' helps people get laid. I care that misogyny is being perpetuated because misogynistic thoughts may turn into misogynistic actions, and no one's desire for sex takes priority over another's personhood. Everyone deserves respect and no one deserves subjugation. Perpetuating misogynistic ideals is a direct attempt to ensure the subjugation of a certain class of person. Some rando with a need to get his dick ridden isn't exactly hig…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/14 02:13 AM
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You're not debating anything, we're not even on topic, we're just arguing. Please stop replying to anything I post in this thread, I'm interested in on topic debate and not inane derailing arguments.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/14 02:00 AM
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women don't evolve too much in terms of personality when they are sexually attractive because they don't need to be. When you're a hot woman life is on easy-mode. This just proves how biased you are. You have no idea what it's like to be a hot young woman because you aren't one, and not all hot young women have comparable life experiences that others can generalize and act upon based on three shared traits. I could counter that life on easy mode is actually being a rich white man, but that would…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/14 01:55 AM
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So, you have anecdotes that it is good. It can be objectively proven whether or not something is popular. Anecdotes are only useless if you've got nothing concrete to back it up with, which is the case with many RP posters here. Asserting their own experience is enough to prove that RP works doesn't actually prove anything. You're realllyyyyy splitting hairs now. I simply suggested an alternative to TRP that isn't misogynistic. There are literally hundreds of other examples of self help that isn…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/14 01:41 AM
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All I was doing was providing an example of a self help site focused on romance that isn't misogynistic. There are ways to have casual sex without subscribing to an ideology that is founded in misogyny.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/14 01:35 AM
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The OP asks for alternatives to TRP. My initial post was on topic, I provided an alternative to TRP that isn't sexist.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/14 01:35 AM
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I'm not here to help you get laid. I'm here to argue that TRP is misogynistic and anyone who subscribes to RP beliefs is complicit in the promotion of misogynistic ideals. I responded to this thread initially to say there are a myriad of self help alternatives to TRP that don't involve misogyny.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/14 01:33 AM
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It's a popular site for dating and sex self help advice that isn't misogynistic. It's endorsed by people who have had success with it just like people who use TRP endorse TRP, so it seemed like an appropriate recommendation. I've never used any form of self help or dating advice, even if I were to it wouldn't be geared towards men and I wouldn't offer it from a personal standpoint in a debate sub. I was simply trying illustrate that there are sites out there that offer everything TRP does withou…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/14 12:09 AM
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I didn't even have to leave this post to give you an example of the sidebar's misogyny, because it's already been referenced here: Man reaches the maturity of his reasoning and mental faculties scarcely before he is eight and twenty; woman when she is eighteen; but hers is a reason of very narrow limitations. This is why women remain children all their lives, for they always see only what is near at hand, cling to the present, take the appearance of a thing for reality, and prefer trifling thing…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/14 12:06 AM
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By encouraging the use of anecdata you're basically saying you're not interested in actual debate, what you're really looking for is a discussion. Experiences can't 'prove anyone wrong' because they're subjective. You may honestly believe you're not biased but that doesn't actually mean you (or anyone) is immune to confirmation bias. I can give you examples of sex-positive men in egalitarian relationships who are 'successful with women' til the color of the 'pill I've taken' shows on my face, bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/14 11:50 PM
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I would appreciate it if you're going to ask for examples, that you also provide them. I'll quote a few excerpts from a book endorsed by the PUA crowd to illustrate my point anyways: "Physically pick her up and sit her on your lap. Don't ask for permission. Be dominant. Force her to rebuff your advances." "Make her push your hand away as you get closer to her vagina," ""Pull out your c--- and put her hand on it. Remember, she is letting you do this because you have established yourself as a LEAD…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/14 11:34 PM
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If all you're going to counter with is your own experience, I have no interest in debating with you. I avoid arguing using anecdata because it's unproductive, I could counter your anecdotes with my own and we're back to square one.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/14 11:19 PM
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I'm not talking about you personally. I'm saying that I believe 'game' can be applied in a way that can compromise a person's ability to consent. If all it takes for you to get laid is masking your insecurity with demeaning thoughts about the people you're attracted to and a faux confident attitude, no one is suffering but you. Not everyone stops there though, some people need to actually degrade others in order to feel powerful, and could use 'game' to do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/14 11:04 PM
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I'm not infallible. If you think any of my comments have been out of line, please report them. If you don't have anything to say that will advance your position in this 'debate' please stop derailing the thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/14 11:00 PM
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Of course I can see the difference between 'game' and rape, but manipulating someone into fucking compromises that person's ability to consent. You might not be sexually assaulting them in the legal sense, but you're not in a situation where each partner has the full picture and is enthusiastically consenting.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/14 10:52 PM
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I don't appreciate your tone, this is a debate sub. I have no investment in you as a person, good or bad. I think TRP's core beliefs are sexist and that's what I'm opposed to. Any use of the word 'you' can be read as 'one' if you prefer.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/14 10:43 PM
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"Redpill" thinking isn't some concrete idea like feminism or a religion or anything like that. It is simply an open place to discuss ideas that are open for challenging. Tell that to the RP sidebar, which is full of misogyny.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/14 10:34 PM
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You're focusing on me just as much as I'm focusing on you, and nothing is being accomplished. This debate sub is more of an argument sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/14 10:24 PM
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I did comment on your post. You didn't say a bunch of girls sexed you though, and I have a feeling you never would precisely for the reason I stated before -- because that's not how you see it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/14 10:24 PM
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Hahahaha! Misogyny isn't harmful? Some people do heroin and nothing bad happens to them. The analogy is fine, you're just not interested in hearing negative things about TRP just like a hardcore Christian is deaf to anything that contradicts their ideology. There's no point debating if you're not going to be open minded. A better analogy is an pain sufferer incel who has tried every sexual strategy on the market has finally found something that works for them -- rape, but you are offended by it …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/14 10:22 PM
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Sex isn't something you do 'to' women, it's an act you share with them. The fact that you look at yourself as active and a woman you're having sex with as passive speaks volumes about your underlying beliefs.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/14 10:16 PM
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I didn't make a sales pitch, I specifically stated no 'BP' sales pitch should have to exist. If you're offended that RP beliefs are misogynistic (and that's not an opinion, it's a demonstrable fact) I can't help you.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/14 10:12 PM
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Dude do you think we like knowing that being a jack ass will get us more play? Drake said it best "I hate calling the women bitches, but the bitches love it". We live in a ass backward culture where being an arrogant dick gets rewarded with loads of pussy (as long as you're successful or fit the "bad boy" trope) Those qualifiers are huge. Being an arrogant dick with nothing to back it up won't get you anywhere. Being attractive and successful is what works. You don't need to subscribe to a sexis…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/14 10:10 PM
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I couldn't get laid to save my life pre-redpill. pre-developing self confidence/self-esteem. FTFY. There's nothing useful on TRP you couldn't find on a less hateful self help site.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/14 09:17 PM
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I've made no personal attack against you, not sure why you're reading it that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/14 09:16 PM
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You could suggest trying heroin for pain relief as well. It might even work. That doesn't mean that there's not a better alternative.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/14 09:14 PM
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A Christian could say the same thing to a nonbeliever. Anecdotal evidence is worthless without anything objective to back it up.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/14 09:09 PM
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It would have to be studied objectively. Part of 'game' is approaching tons of people and learning to let rejection roll off your back. While you do that, you also start to learn who to approach and who to avoid. In the beginning, especially with some newfound confidence, I would expect people to aim higher than they do after months of rejection. Add that to an increase in social skills and I wouldn't be surprised at all if the '5-6' level of attractiveness people would say yes where they might'…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/14 09:05 PM
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I've seen the difference first hand in my own circumstance. It's unmistakable, like night and day. And once I understood what I was doing, the change in attitude of women toward me was almost instantaneous. By keeping a mental image of woman as precocious children in my mind it helps me assume a more dominant persona that women absolutely find more arousing than the "real me". This sounds just like a new convert to any ideology. I could easily change the topic to finding jesus or xenu or whoever…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/14 09:00 PM
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Why would someone try to 'sell' you on the benefits of not being sexist? That's like saying 'I'm a racist because it works for me, convince me why I shouldn't be.' Actually, now I'm wondering why I even bother trying...
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/14 08:57 PM
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Sure, but believing that you should alter your behavior to align with core RP beliefs is going to work against you. Anyone with some life experience under their belt (and the hotter the girl, the more she'll be approached, the more social experience she'll have) will recognize the gaudy machismio RP promotes quickly and be turned off by it because they want to be with someone who treats them like a person, not a conquest.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/14 08:55 PM
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See my reply to /u/mmmstarchy. The problem is when you're the person doing the approaching, you're also the person doing the selecting: you're only approaching people you're attracted to. Chances are, the people you're attracted to aren't attracted to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/14 08:43 PM
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I just edited my post to include a site on sex/love/dating advice that I think is useful and not hateful. And yeah, rejection is part of the package when it comes to dating. No matter what a person does to improve him or herself, there's going to be people who will be unattracted regardless. If you're approaching tons of people you're attracted to and getting rejected, try approaching someone you aren't attracted to and see what happens. That mediocre looking girl said yes and the hot one didn't…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/14 08:42 PM
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Literally invisible to vagina. My first suggestion would be to stop thinking of women as 'vaginas' and start seeing and respecting women as people, not sexual objects. why he's wrong for seeing the world for what it really is? RPers aren't seeing the world 'for what it really is' any more than any other fanatic is about a given lifestyle. Fundamentalist Christians see sinners and the unsaved, RPers see betas and cock carousel riders. In actuality many RPers often prefer to be deceptive rather th…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/14 08:25 PM
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The article surveyed people in sub saharan Africa because the focus was on socially imbalanced relationships and the prevention of HIV/AIDs. That doesn't invalidate my point. The same social disparities in relationships that cause problems over there can exist here as well, all humans respond to social pressure and are prone to having their agency compromised given the right situation. The scenario you've illustrated isn't an appropriate example of what I've described during this debate. You're …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/14 11:58 PM
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You're misreading what I'm saying. Hot young women at that age typically don't approach men, men approach them. This doesn't take into consideration the actual desires of the hypothetical hot young woman in question. You're focusing on the mind of the man who's interested in her in both this comment and your previous comment. Nowhere have I mentioned pedophilia or rape, nor have I conveyed anger in any of my responses. I've deliberately avoided writing about my personal feelings and anecdotes in…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/14 11:11 PM
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Realistically how many women, especially women aged 18-24 approach men? I'll answer for you: not the hot ones. What does this have to do with my original point? If anything, it sounds like you're supporting it: young, attractive women are unlikely to approach any men for casual sex, let alone men considerably older than themselves. What about this would make a 30+ year old man think it's a good idea to approach someone 10+ years younger than he is? You're also talking about 21-25 year olds, whic…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/14 10:17 PM
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As an adult who is likely in the same age bracket as many authority figures in a teenager's life you'll naturally be treated differently by a teenager than you would be if you were a peer. There's no way around it because an adolescent who has been socially conditioned to respect her elders her entire life isn't suddenly capable of switching that conditioning off and entering into a healthy egalitarian relationship with a man old enough to be her father, even if she desires it. The onus is on th…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/14 09:40 PM
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Thanks for claiming that without any quote to back it up, it's really helpful and adds a lot to the debate.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/14 09:17 PM
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Does that mean we should frown upon any cross-class relationships, or relationships where there's an imbalance in attractiveness? Most people are socially homogamous. This means just like the majority of people date their peers, the majority of people tend to marry partners within their own socioeconomic class and within their own aesthetic 'league.' Interesting that Red Pillers, ye of the NAWALT, are willing to emphasize the outliers when it's convenient to. Being someone's boss or teacher cert…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/14 09:15 PM
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I didn't imply that uncommon or unusual behavior is 'automatically immoral,' not sure why you're responding to me like I did. Your example is a poor one because there's no inherent imbalance of social power between two individuals of different races unless other social factors are also considered. An asian person has no agency-compromising social power over a hispanic person simply because one is asian and the other is hispanic. The difference in social power of a typical 32 year old man in comp…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/14 06:44 PM
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Lol. I'm not here to try and recalibrate your moral compass or get into the vagaries of past societies. The point is in the here and now near-generational age disparities in sexual relationships are demonstrably unusual.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/14 04:26 PM
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_disparity_in_sexual_relationships It's not an arbitrary distinction. Less than 10% of couples have a 10+ year age gap, so 14 years really is unusual. The majority of people pair up with their peers because they're more likely to be in a similar social position.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/14 04:07 PM
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You're all over the place. I'm not here to debate your fractious stream of consciousness rambling so I'll focus on agency). When I use the word agency I'm speaking of the sociological understanding. This concept of agency acknowledges that individuals exist within a social structure that has the potential to limit that individual's ability to act on their own by limiting or influencing their choices. So no, when you have a person in a position of significant social power over another, the subjug…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/14 04:05 PM
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You've answered your own question. Agency exists, but it's not some invincible trait that can't be compromised or stripped completely. It's possible to rob someone of their agency. when a red piller speaks about his preference for young women Let's not gloss over this. You're talking about /u/redpillschool, a man in his early-mid 30s (no one in their late 20s rounds up to 30, he's just making himself look even older with the +/- crap) expressing a 'preference' for 18 year old girls at the oldest…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/14 03:14 PM
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My clitoris would also enlarge a considerable degree, I might grow more body hair than I'm used to, I'd become prone to mood swings (even moreso than PMS!) and a whole host of other biological effects as a result -- that's not proving anything other than testosterone has profound effects on the body, just like estrogen does. All you're doing is stating your opinion repeatedly without offering anything to persuade me. If you acknowledge it's possible for men to be submissive, why isn't it possibl…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/13 06:17 PM
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I'm not a Reddit FeministTM but I'll speak for them anyway and say that my definition of privilege and theirs are two different things, because hxc feminists tend to believe that privilege is a societal form of discrimination that an individual can benefit from or be victimized by but has no control over, because the group that person belongs to is the true recipient of the privilege/prejudice, not individuals that comprise the group themselves. I believe that privilege is more of a sociological…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/13 06:10 PM
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How would you explain socially dominant/"alpha" males having submissive fantasies if testosterone discourages submissiveness? Watch any documentary on dominatrixes and you'll see a typical client is usually a successful man with a career that puts him in a position of authority over others. I'm a woman and so obviously I lack the testosterone a man has, but I'm not submissive.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/13 05:45 PM
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In order for something to be "female privilege", it needs to apply to females solely because they're female. An example would be exemption from selective services/military conscription in a majority of the world's countries. There aren't many examples of true female privilege. A lot of the time I think people (especially hetero males) mistake "female privilege" for "young and pretty" privilege.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/13 05:32 PM
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You too, buddy! Thanks for adding constructively to the conversation.
/r/RedPillWomen23/11/13 04:37 AM
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Do you often think people are "talking down" to you? I hope you don't have an inferiority complex.
/r/RedPillWomen23/11/13 04:29 AM
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You speak of submission as weakness yet some would argue that to exhibit such trust is the very core of strength itself. If submission isn't weakness (and I never said submission = weakness, you're projecting that) and is in fact a higher level display of trust, why is it that most RPers who advocate for submissive qualities do so only for women? Why aren't men looking to display such strength and trust towards their women? All I said was that I have no interest in a relationship with a dominant…
/r/RedPillWomen23/11/13 04:28 AM
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I hope you don't dismiss anything she might have to say by calling her a pain in the ass and declaring your relationship "toolbox" is bigger than hers as if it's necessary to amass some sort of arsenal, an adversarial approach to relationships is antithetical to intimacy.
/r/RedPillWomen23/11/13 04:14 AM
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Further, how did this dynamic occur? Here are some questions on how you feel about your LTR/SO/etc: Did you become a second in command and grow into the feeling that he could do better, or that he was superior, or were these feelings established right away? Do you think of him as your superior in a general sense as a person, or is it one more purely based on the fact that your relationship structure has placed him as your leader (IE, superior position, not person)? Do you believe men in general …
/r/RedPillWomen23/11/13 01:14 AM
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Not every red pill woman is looking to be in a relationship with an imbalanced power dynamic. I'm definitely looking for a man to satisfy my wants/needs, but those wants/needs don't include being submissive to anyone. I need a man with masculine traits that are complementary to my feminine traits. My ideal relationship involves no power struggle because we both understand the rules of our relationship (that we agree upon together) and our roles/expectations within it. In my experience someone wh…
/r/RedPillWomen22/11/13 08:43 PM
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You'd be just as likely to consider a "red piller" as a "blue piller" when looking for a mate?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/13 03:09 PM
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When I'm speaking about it bluntly like that I agree with you, it's because I'm speaking in hypotheticals and not emotionally invested like I would be if I had a specific person in mind. I doubt that you've never reflected on how valuable/powerful/etc your partner is as a mate though, you select partners you feel are worthy of your time/presence like everyone else I'm sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/13 12:54 AM
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I looove house of cards! I tried watching the original british verison, not so much.. You made a really good point as well and I agree with it overall, that's essentially what I'm looking for. Thanks for your input!
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/13 09:50 PM
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Recently I read an upvoted article on TRP about how to "train your girl" coming from a guy who seemed to be into a hardcore BDSM lifestyle. Whatever if that's someones kink, but it freaked me out that so many red pillers seemed to think it was good relationship advice. /u/skinny_bitches, /u/realniggasstandup and other regular posters on TRP seem to be advocating extreme relationships with relative impunity from the community. I stick to posting in RPW and other semi-RP places for that reason, no…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/13 09:49 PM
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thanks for the reply! I did mean the negative part of deference, because that's the part I have a problem with, haha. Part of loving someone is showing them respect, enjoying making them happy etc, all things related to 'deference' that I would gladly do and don't think are related to a hierarchical relationship, which is what would bother me. I'm not tolerant of being viewed as "lesser than" in a relationship, for example if I were to become a stay at home mother I would still expect to be able…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/13 09:22 PM
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maybe not a rock, but what about another perfectly reasonable person?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/13 09:17 PM
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I'd only consider relationships with a man I respect and admire. I commented in detail elsewhere, but essentially I'm looking for an egalitarian relationship with a partner I perceive to be at least as valuable as myself. I'd be happy to "date up" of course, but that wouldn't change my desire to maintain a relationship with a balanced power dynamic.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/13 09:16 PM
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Thanks for the input everyone. I consider myself a socially dominant person and a high value partner and I'm looking for the same in a mate, which is what piqued my interest in TRP in the first place. I'm not naturally submissive like a lot of women seem to be and I'd never be comfortable in a relationship where one partner had the "final say" or was put in a position of authority over another (sexually or otherwise.) Lately it seems like I've seen a lot of posts that advocate a relationship tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/13 09:10 PM
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I totally agree about women and men having incompatible mating strategies, it's unfortunate but I suppose it makes sense in a natural world based on competition. I'm definitely seeking a "wolf" over a "cad", but it seems like wolves are a dying breed. The problem is that alphas by definition are a minority, and a promiscuous mating strategy makes more sense to men as a gender, so of course the majority of the minority are going to adopt that strategy. Sucks to be seeking the "1% of the 1%" for w…
/r/RedPillWomen15/11/13 02:23 PM
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I think it's also important to point out that the lifestyle of many of the men who subscribe to TRP directly conflict with what a lot of women at RPW are looking for in a mate. Some of the regulars at TRP are promiscuous men who openly state that they have no intention of ever settling down with one woman and committing to monogamy. Don't know about all the other girls here, but that kind of lifestyle is an immediate deal breaker for me. The only thing I have in common with a red piller like tha…
/r/RedPillWomen15/11/13 02:07 PM
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This reduces a woman's role in the home to a nanny/housekeeper, which is a misrepresentation of "work at home." How much do you pay someone for bearing your children? If you agree to enter in to a marriage where you share all resources accumulated during the marriage, how is it that those resources suddenly belong more to one person than the other during the marriage's dissolution?
/r/RedPillWomen06/11/13 07:27 PM
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Do you have a habit of speaking for "most women"? Are you even a woman? I'm asking RPW for a reason, I know about bias in the courts. I'm pro-prenup because of what it represents -- a discussion (ideally in front of an objective witness) about what the deal breakers are in a relationship and what should happen in the event of various divorce scenarios. It's healthy for a couple to establish the boundaries of their relationship before they make a lifetime commitment to one another.
/r/RedPillWomen06/11/13 07:15 PM
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I'm pro-prenup as well, but I know a lot of people aren't for whatever reason -- I would look at it as a chance to seriously communicate about our relationship and all its potential outcomes. If you can't do that, why are you marrying them? It's better to have something and not need it than need it and not have it.
/r/RedPillWomen06/11/13 06:56 PM
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That's just my bias showing through language. I definitely agree with you, but I think I've been conditioned to think if the paycheck comes in your name = your money. If I were the one doing the breadwinning I would expect that my husband live within the means of the salary that comes in my name, just like I would be expected to if the situations were reversed. EDIT: reading back, I was also meaning to refer to a situation where a woman is accepting alimony post divorce, when the paycheck is no …
/r/RedPillWomen06/11/13 05:15 PM
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I totally agree with you on this! Working at home is definitely work. I purposely didn't write something like "stay at home" for that reason.
/r/RedPillWomen06/11/13 05:12 PM
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Figure I should add my two cents since I'm asking: If the divorce was a clearly "at fault" divorce on the part of my husband as danabanana9 was stating I would pursue whatever I was legally entitled to, admittedly because bad blood would likely be involved. I would expect the same to happen to me if I were the one at fault/with the financial upper hand. If the divorce was amicable I would only ensure fair child support was negotiated and an appropriate custody agreement put in place. My parents …
/r/RedPillWomen06/11/13 05:07 PM
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Back to my point. Women value sexual attraction. That. Is. It. I would prefer that ALWAYS. I'm sure it is the same with men. If you think women are sexually attracted to money. You are mistaken. She may be thinking "Wow, I can live a certain lifestyle and society is telling me I don't even have to work for it in the traditional sense? I can fly to Ibiza in exchange for jerking off an old fart with money to spend? Totes gross, but I'll consider it." I completely agree with this and I think it's s…
/r/TheRedPill05/11/13 07:06 PM
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I see you have a lot of knowledge about that type of women who engage in these relationships, even though you have never met any such woman. Where did I say I'd never met any such woman? Perhaps you're misinterpreting something else I wrote. True, but there's not a lot of difference between gazing and wanting to fuck them. I'm not debating that. I don't believe that the majority of monogamous people are only sexually attracted to the person they're in love with. I'm arguing that monogamous peopl…
/r/RedPillWomen28/10/13 11:55 PM
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This sounds divine! I make something similar but it's served over risotto, can't wait to try the polenta!
/r/RedPillWomen28/10/13 10:47 PM
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You mean that she would be promiscuous herself? Not necessarily, it's also possible she could have a 'female cuckolding' fetish or some other variant of inclination towards non-monogamy. can't help but gaze at other women. There's a huge difference between gazing at and actively fucking other women. I wouldn't expect even a strictly monogamous person to be exclusively attracted to the body of their partner, only that they never act on their attraction to other people. Who said anything about the…
/r/RedPillWomen28/10/13 10:30 PM
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All of this is accurate for a person who is naturally inclined to promiscuity, but not all people are promiscuous. A woman who is compatible with a man who's as promiscuous as you described is very unlikely to be a "hardwired" monogamist. As someone who actually is a strict monogamist, I'd never participate in a relationship like the one you described. I don't believe that all high value men are non-monogamous, so there's no reason for me or any other monogamous woman to subject herself to a rel…
/r/RedPillWomen28/10/13 09:34 PM
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It's wonderful that you and everyone else in the fetish community enjoy the lifestyle and I really hope that everyone is as intent as you seem to be on acquiring and maintaining powerplay where the submission is given freely. While I still disagree that the dynamics you've described are present in all relationships as you previously asserted, I didn't leave the comment you initially replied to with the intention of arguing about your lifestyle -- I'm surprised that this post is so popular and ho…
/r/TheRedPill28/10/13 03:31 PM
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Maybe you've found that to be true in your personal relationships, and all I have to offer in return are my own anecdotes. I don't dispute that some relationships (parental or teacher-student for example) must involve one person in a position of authority over another. What I'm not interested are intimate/romantic relationships that involve a power exchange, especially one as severe as you've described. I actively seek and maintain relationships that are egalitarian in nature and equitable in pr…
/r/TheRedPill28/10/13 03:11 PM
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When did TRP become a predominantly kinky community? Surprising to see so many upvotes on such an extreme BDSM lifestyle article, this goes way beyond handcuffs or a blindfold and a spanking to spice things up! Is this the kind of relationship subscribers here are really looking for? As a woman interested in a RP man this is far too kinky for me.
/r/TheRedPill28/10/13 02:44 PM
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I'm definitely hardwired for monogamy. I don't enjoy the idea of casual sex from any standpoint, and I wouldn't want to be with someone who was interested in casual sex -- ideally at all, but especially in the context of a relationship. I'd end any relationship where a man was looking for sex with other women -- I'm not bisexual or interested in group sex so it wouldn't matter if he wanted to include me. I make all of this really clear when I'm entering into a new relationship and it feels like …
/r/RedPillWomen28/10/13 01:09 PM
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Is he exclusively considering women under 25? That's fine if he's only in it for casual sex but as a woman under 25 who's not interested in casual sex I'd never consider a guy in his mid 40s for a long term relationship. There's older guys and then there's older guys. 20+ years is too much, we'd have nothing in common. I'd suggest this guy date closer to 30 than 20, the chances that he'd end up in a satisfying long term relationship with someone 20 or more years younger are very slim. I've been …
/r/askTRP20/10/13 03:07 PM
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Haha, sorry but it's true! :c
/r/RedPillWomen08/10/13 02:37 PM
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I'm flexible when it comes to height but I prefer average or tall men. If the guy can make up for his shortness with other positive factors I'd still consider a LTR with him provided he's taller than I am which is basically guaranteed as I'm really short.
/r/RedPillWomen08/10/13 07:01 AM
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Like I said in my original comment, I think a lack of chemistry or sexual compatibility is a perfectly acceptable reason to end a relationship. I'm talking about occasionally declining sex, which should be an acceptable thing to do in my opinion. Why would anyone want to have sex with a person who's clearly not into it at the time? Couples can have whatever kind of relationship dynamic they want. Personally I have no desire to be in a relationship with a man who views sex as an act of obligation…
/r/RedPillWomen07/10/13 05:03 PM
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Not wanting to is enough of a reason for either person in my opinion.
/r/RedPillWomen07/10/13 03:40 PM
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Listing my preferences would be complicated so I'm just going to list the deal breakers instead: Not having a baseline level of attractiveness. I can be attracted to a variety of different "types" of guys (eye/hair/skin color doesn't matter for example) but if I'm not physically attracted to him nothing can overcome it. Having any kind of prejudiced beliefs (religion, race, etc.) Being unable to financially support himself. Being unintelligent.
/r/RedPillWomen07/10/13 03:38 PM
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Sex isn't any fun unless both people are into it. If my boyfriend/husband reacted negatively to me occasionally declining sex it would be a deal breaker for me. Being in a monogamous relationship doesn't entitle either partner to sex whenever they want it, it's supposed to be a mutually beneficial experience. I do believe that incompatible sex drives or a lack of chemistry is a perfectly acceptable reason to break up, though.
/r/RedPillWomen07/10/13 03:15 PM
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I'm aware of my "hypergamy" in that I'm fully cognizant of the fact that I strongly desire the highest value partner I can get. I don't think it's a negative thing and I think most people, men included, are this way. What guy doesn't want to be with the highest value woman who will have him?
/r/RedPillWomen24/09/13 01:21 AM
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I post in RPW, just visiting this thread to say that it's possible to find a girl who isn't submissive sexually (I'm not a "domme"/into a BDSM lifestyle but I'm sexually dominant) and is looking for a relationship that otherwise embraces traditional gender roles/certain RP ideals. I also read your edit and it sounds like you're with a girl who is also sexually submissive, which in my experience being friends/talking with submissive girls means you being submissive is going to be a turnoff for he…
/r/TheRedPill22/09/13 05:55 PM
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I would only expect to be completely provided for financially if I were married and my husband wanted/we had children, otherwise I'm capable of providing for myself. If I were with a boyfriend who made a ton more money than I did (starting around twice the amount) and we lived together I would expect him to pay a larger portion of the living expenses (or live far enough below his means that splitting our expenses 50/50 was affordable for me) but I wouldn't expect that he provide for me completel…
/r/RedPillWomen13/09/13 10:08 PM
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Blech! I think Louie CK is a much smarter and funnier example of a comedian who manages to be crude/vulgar without being offensive.
/r/RedPillWomen12/09/13 01:32 PM
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I agree that no amount of game/personality traits that indicate social value can overcome a lack of physical attraction to a guy, for me at least. If a man isn't above a base level of physical attractiveness (I'll date as far down as maybe a 5.5-6 out of 10) it doesn't matter how rich, smart, or charming he is, we will never have a sexual relationship. I think 'game' or displays of value beyond the physical come in when a woman is attracted to a guy but either wants or needs to be convinced or '…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/13 01:18 PM
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I totally agree with you, this post is in poor taste to say the least. I hope OP reconsiders, especially in light of the new no crossposting/no personal information rules over at the main sub.
/r/RedPillWomen11/09/13 03:03 PM
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I was talking more about girls who are in a "serious relationship" with someone for six months, single for maybe a month, and then in another "relationship" that lasts under a year, never with a real break in between. That's how I'd define serial monogamy. I have a feeling most people would be single for more than a month or two after the breakup of a years-long relationship before getting involved in another really long term relationship, simply because it takes a while to find someone worthy o…
/r/RedPillWomen11/09/13 02:13 PM
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I'm a strict monogamist, I would rather be alone than with the wrong man. I definitely do know a lot of women who are serial monogamists though and it's usually because they're uncomfortable being single or attach their self esteem to being part of a relationship.
/r/RedPillWomen11/09/13 01:58 PM
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This is women's spot to discuss objectively and realistically sexual strategy with the focus on long-term goals that bring long-term happiness. Our culture has told men and women over and over how to find happiness, and we're learning the hard way that maybe what we were told isn't working. Let's discuss! I'm pretty sure this is the point of RPW, actually. I know I'm not here to shame anyone for being a slut, people can make their own decisions about what's right for them. I think promiscuity is…
/r/RedPillWomen11/09/13 01:54 PM
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I agree that women set SMV for men and vice versa. I also believe that these standards are highly personal and likely to vary considerably based on the individual, so generalizing is difficult to do. While I do know women who are interested in taken or promiscuous men, those women also tend to be promiscuous or prone to cheating. I think like attracts like more often than not.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/13 01:34 PM
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I've only posted to red pill women before so I'm not endorsed or anything, sorry. For me personally my opinion of a man is negatively impacted if I know he's had a higher number of partners than I deem to be acceptable. I hold the same opinion for both sexes, but I'm not attracted to women so the reaction is more visceral when applied to men. Overall I think topics like this are best avoided all around. My opinion of him can't be lowered if I'm not given the information that would lower it, and …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/13 02:25 AM
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It sounds like you have a lot on your plate for sure, but beyond that it sounds like you feel unappreciated. Stress and obligations can be managed much more simply than emotional dissatisfaction within your relationship. I'm not going to tell you how to handle your relationship, but if you're giving out much more than you're getting back you won't be happy even if you accomplish everything you're "supposed to" as a successful modern woman.
/r/RedPillWomen05/09/13 05:53 PM
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I'd be interested to hear about your perception of being stalked! I've only met other girls who have experienced it, was it scary for you? I've also noticed that men who handle rejection in a socially unacceptable way often have trouble with social skills in general. I try hard to be assertive while also remaining warm and friendly, but I've found that can be confusing to some people and as a result I'm not taken seriously. If I'm assertive in a colder/"bitchier" way then I run the risk of being…
/r/RedPillWomen04/09/13 08:10 PM
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You don't get to reject in your frame. Trying to establish your own frame is, in fact, flirting. So, I don't see any fault with men being upset that you've flirted with them then shot them down. How am I supposed to reject someone nicely if I can't maintain my own social frame? I can't control if someone views typical social conversation (smalltalk etc) as flirting and then gets angry when I express that I'm not interested in them. I have no way of knowing if a man is simply making conversation …
/r/RedPillWomen04/09/13 07:08 PM
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Thanks! I'm sorry if it wasn't clear from my post, I was writing more about the "butthurt" types that don't handle an initial rejection well or people who approach in a socially unacceptable way. I wouldn't say I have significant and recurring problems, but when it happens (maybe 25-30% of the time I go out socially) it feels bad enough that I think about it for a while after and how I could've minimized the situation before it escalated to someone behaving inappropriately or anyone getting thei…
/r/RedPillWomen04/09/13 06:27 PM
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Words have no meaning. Actions do your speaking. You and I have a fundamental disagreement here. If language had no meaning we wouldn't be having this conversation, civilization as we know it wouldn't exist. I agree that body language is a valid form of communication but to place it above lingual communication is absurd in my opinion, sorry. Have you ever used the phrase "why do you ask?" after a man asked you a question? "Why do you ask?" is a an insidious little shit test meant to make the man…
/r/RedPillWomen04/09/13 06:21 PM
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I disagree that words mean nothing when the words I'm saying are conveying to someone that I'm not attracted to them, I don't say something like that unless I mean it. If a man said "sorry, I'm not attracted to you" or something to that effect as I was flirting with him there's no way I'd interpret that as anything but a rejection, and I wouldn't keep trying to interest him after a comment like that because if I did it would make me feel pathetic, I'd rather let the sting of rejection wear off a…
/r/RedPillWomen04/09/13 05:03 PM
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The actual impregnation bit is not a power thing for me, I'm not a sexually submissive girl. If anything I'd be eager at the right time and for the right guy, so I have a feeling my baby-making sex will have a more animalistic/"give it to me" vibe than a dominant/submissive one. I do view pregnancy as a vulnerable state for a woman and a generally unpleasant thing a woman has to go through if she wants a child. I would only consider having a child in a stable marriage with a truly alpha man who …
/r/RedPillWomen04/09/13 12:41 PM
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I usually start out complimenting them in some small way and then follow saying I'm not interested for whatever reason that's usually focused on myself so they don't feel attacked. This works well on the majority of nice/alpha guys, I think because they have an "abundance mentality" as I've read over at the main red pill forum and know there's someone out there who will say yes, it's just not me. I'm looking for advice for the other group of guys who don't react this way, I want to maintain my s…
/r/RedPillWomen04/09/13 04:40 AM
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I've been in a similar situation, where a guy is way too persistent and kind of scarily demanding/mildly threatening. He said he would come to my house if I didn't get back to him and got really pissed when I said I wasn't interested. We went to school together and he got my number from facebook (I was dumb and accepted all my classmates as friends back in the day and facebook had shittier privacy) In the end he was basically ranting to himself via text. I've never found a way to get guys like t…
/r/RedPillWomen04/09/13 04:34 AM
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It doesn't have to make sense to you as it's a personal preference of mine. I'm not going attempt to justify my reasoning as it's not a rational decision. Knowing a guy couldn't impregnate me naturally just turns me off, enough that I wouldn't want to have a serious relationship with him. I'd also like to add that I'm not complaining about having to carry and birth the right man's child, only adding the caveat that conception has to happen the old fashioned way if I'm going to do it. I fail to s…
/r/RedPillWomen04/09/13 04:04 AM
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I wish your experiences and mine were more similar, haha! I've had more than one guy get aggressive with me before, sometimes from the get-go (coming up behind me to spin me around or hug unannounced, random ass slaps) which I always respond harshly to, but I've also had experiences where the guy seems really nice until I reject him and then suddenly I'm a bitch or asked to explain why I'm rejecting him and the reasons I give are usually protested against as a way of keeping the conversation goi…
/r/RedPillWomen04/09/13 04:02 AM
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Thanks for your advice. I know how to use a gun but I wouldn't feel right carrying one, I'd be too scared someone stronger would be able to get it away from me before I got a chance to use it in a situation that's already dangerous. I've had mild stalkers before but never someone for six years, sorry to hear that happened to you!
/r/RedPillWomen04/09/13 03:56 AM
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I think in many situations, you won't escape being perceived as slightly bitchy. This is the answer I was afraid of, haha. It's not fair but based on the responses here it seems like it's a really tricky situation to handle gracefully.
/r/RedPillWomen04/09/13 03:54 AM
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Your suggestions don't alleviate my problem of not wanting to be perceived as shut off socially or bitchy. I've told men that I'm not attracted to them before (plainly as well as nicely) with disastrous results. Not every guy goes on the offensive when rejected, but enough of the men I've declined advances from have that I'm not willing to risk a comment like that in the future. I know it's not my job to protect anyone's ego but I'd also rather not experience the sting of being called a bitch, a…
/r/RedPillWomen04/09/13 03:53 AM
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I was talking about conception, pregnancy and birth, not parenting.
/r/RedPillWomen04/09/13 03:31 AM
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I don't think about what kind of father my SO will be in terms of parenting, but I would never fuck a guy who seemed unfit to combine my genes with. The majority of qualities I find sexually attractive in a man also correlate with strong genetics.
/r/RedPillWomen31/08/13 10:40 PM
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I wouldn't become seriously involved with a sterile guy or a guy who intentionally had a vasectomy, it's a personal turn off for me. If I ever have kids I don't want to conceive my child while I'm in the stirrups at a doctor's office staring up at bright lights in a cold room after someone who's not my husband injects sperm into me with a total of 0 orgasms involved. The whole thing is really off putting in my mind. If I were going to go through the trouble of carrying a kid, I would want concep…
/r/RedPillWomen31/08/13 10:25 PM
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