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Add older men to the list LMAO.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 10:46 PM
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How would you know? Are they asking for sex right now? Or are they asking you for her number to set up a date?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 10:30 PM
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Don't dish it if you can't take it 🤷‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 10:30 PM
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That is not mutually exclusive with a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 09:50 PM
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Oh so they're "interested" as in they want casual sex but might They're "interested" as in they want some kind of sexual and/or romantic relationship with you and it's not clear what.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 09:32 PM
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His flair checks out frfr
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 09:30 PM
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In terms of appearance yes, in terms of provisioning obviously not.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 09:19 PM
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teehee moment lmao my ick is foids existing
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 09:06 PM
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Depends a lot on age honestly, like people in their 40s are a lot fatter than people in their 20s for instance.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 07:18 PM
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With gyms it's even worse because genuine women-only gyms are very rare, rather, a lot of gyms section off parts for women or have women-only time periods. The former means for competition for exercise equipment between their male members, the latter means scheduling difficulties.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 07:08 PM
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Just because they don't approach you asking for a relationship right off the bat(frankly that's really weird) doesn't mean they wouldn't be interested in a relationship. I'm in clubs and bars every week. Were you going with your fiance? How many times have guys hit on you?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 07:05 PM
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bros don't leech off of you and wear you down with endless neuroticism.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 05:40 PM
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You're only thinking of women, not the greater community. Half of the community is male.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 05:38 PM
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Men are no where near as sexually predatory as they're made out imo. It's good to hear this coming from a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 05:23 PM
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"Men" like you are what's wrong with the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 05:17 PM
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The law also states that anyone who "expresses a violent or dangerous attitude" won't be permitted to own a gun. Same thing in the US, people can have their guns confiscated under red flag laws. Also as another commenter said there is more violence and crime in general in the US, frankly in large part due to one specific ethnic group......
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 05:14 PM
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happy 9/11 anniversary!!! 👳🏽‍♂️🧔🏽‍♂️✈️💥🏢🏢
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 04:43 PM
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"So maybe it’s easier these days for women to obtain casual sexual relationships than men. But serious, long-term relationships? Actual, meaningful dating? Difficult to achieve for pretty much everyone." "I saw an accurate quote the other day that said “women gatekeep sex and men gatekeep relationships.” If you're going to claim that a relationship is "difficult to achieve" for women then your standards are absolutely relevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 03:42 PM
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There is nothing stopping women from making the first move, and they absolutely will with men they like enough(chad).
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 03:39 PM
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If you put yourself in situations where it's most socially acceptable for men to approach women(clubs, bars, especially dating apps) you will get plenty of male attention. Most of these approaches are for casual sex. So at least some of them would be interested in a relationship, which is far better than most men ever experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 03:37 PM
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A man who isn't having casual sex wouldn't be giving up much(just some time and money) and they would be getting sex and companionship. It's a no-brainer. This isn't to say that attractive men who can easily have casual sex are never interested in relationships, they can be, but they would be sacrificing sexual variety so it's less cut and dry.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 04:18 AM
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If men attractive men wanted it more, women wouldn’t have to desire it so much, because they’d automatically get it You missed the entire point of the post 🤦‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 03:11 AM
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Tell that to the women vehemently denying it lmao, here and here
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 03:10 AM
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pure C word I do not fear the jannies as you do!
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 03:03 AM
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I don't think you understand the concept of mutual exclusivity, because what you're describing isn't it. You don’t have to date or commit to have sex Attractive men, and some men in certain favorable situations, can easily have casual sex. Most men cannot.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 03:02 AM
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It doesn't make sense to say that "men prefer sex to relationships" because it's not a choice between one or the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 02:55 AM
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Men who women don't want relationships with have nothing to "gatekeep" in the first place That doesn't change the fact that they aren't gatekeeping. And you're nitpicking over semantics instead of engaging with the main point. Which, as I said, is women talking shit about men as a whole on the basis that "men don't want to commit", when in reality it's more like "chad won't commit". More pointedly, incels can't "gatekeep" relationships by definition. "the activity of controlling, and usually lim…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 02:52 AM
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This is a step up from women saying that "men are all fuckboys who won't commit". Anything further than that comes down to value judgements and not facts.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 02:33 AM
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So? Even if that were true, men by and large are still interested in relationships. And the two are definitely aren't mutually exclusive, people have sex in relationships. A relationship is the only way that most men can have sex consistently.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 02:31 AM
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One they could never grow and that’s an issue, two they could grow from being with her and “out grow” her. The hell do you mean by "grow"?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 02:28 AM
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It depends on how good your lower face is. If you have a gigachad chin and jaw you better show that off, if you have a severely recessed chin a beard can save your ass.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 02:26 AM
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saw the profile pic and i thought u were a lesbian for a second lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 02:24 AM
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case in point
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 12:38 AM
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"Disdain" and "hate" are not the same thing. Most women arguably have some degree of disdain for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/23 08:23 AM
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Bullshit. Fat and/or ugly women can still get a fair amount of attention from men and chances are at least some of them will be interested in a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/23 07:36 PM
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tee hee
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 10:47 PM
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Preferences may vary but there is a general consensus as to beauty. Sure, it's still a value judgement.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 10:37 PM
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he has nearly a full decade of life experience to use to manipulate her. How would he "manipulate" her into liking him? Was he even the one who pursued her or was it the other way around?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 09:19 PM
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I think most of the these are perfectly acceptable, with reservations for abortion since the life of another human is implicated 👍
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 09:13 PM
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This data doesn't include absolute numbers. The "bottom 50%" of women could very well be getting far more likes than their male counterparts.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 08:38 PM
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PPD women don't make shit up challenge.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 08:35 PM
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Just because they don't think Emma Stone is good looking doesn't mean they are very selective. Maybe they think a many ordinary women are better looking than her 🤷‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 08:34 PM
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Beauty is a value judgement, there is no such thing as a correct or opinion assessment of beauty. A man who finds certain female celebrities unattractive is not necessarily highly selective, they might find women that you consider mediocre/ugly looking to be highly attractive. u/purplish_possum likes fat chicks for example.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 08:33 PM
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I'm talking about traditional attitudes regarding the sexes.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 07:46 PM
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if age and how much she's willing to pay are positively correlated then i would pick the 40 year old sugar momma frfr
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 11:35 AM
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Actually very helpful advice, danke schön!
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 11:22 AM
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Girls were eating it up, showing a handsome innocent lad what's up. If you're good looking enough you can get away with almost anything
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 11:21 AM
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If women were so good at reading men then there wouldn't be so many women complaining about men who turn out to be manipulative/abusive/controlling after hiding their true colors. Yet here we are...... Women constantly bringing up "vibes" makes it seem like y'all are claiming to be psychic or something. Pretty retarded.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 10:52 AM
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Is it "insecure" to acknowledge the reality that women don't like inexperienced guys? And how would you know whether someone is lying?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 10:16 AM
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Would you say the same about promiscuous women who downplay their sexual history?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 06:41 AM
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For example if I say I think capitalism has caused a lot of environmental harm but communism isn't exactly innocent either (see china's highest emissions) High carbon emissions were necessary to achieve the material comforts people enjoy today, irrespective of ideology. China was never communist, it was a socialist planned economy until the 80s when the country transitioned towards a market economy.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 05:45 AM
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However, they also talk about how by the time a undesirable guy reaches their 30s, how all good options have run out they start getting more interest, but from less desirable women who view them as providers. FTFY. That's their narrative anyways. IMO it's based on truth but lacking some nuance.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 05:40 AM
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I think you greatly overestimate women's ability to "sense" things considering how often they complain about ending up with abusive/manipulative/controlling men that hid their true nature.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 05:20 AM
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yeah but nigga still hit lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 05:19 AM
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Everyone has a first time.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 05:17 AM
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Women are going to walk away from a potential hook up that's turning them off. "X to doubt". If that was true then there wouldn't be hordes of women complaining about how men are bad/selfish lovers. When women decide to hook up they almost always stick with it, even if they don't want to see the guy again after.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 05:12 AM
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Unless you're in college or something women wouldn't know about your sexual ability. Their initial interest is based on how you look and behave. Absolute worst case scenario they're not gonna want to see you again but still you'd be getting real life experience, and also sex tends to make women grow attached due to hormones. IMO for this reason initial attraction matters the most for women and once she decides she's interested, there's a lot more leeway when it comes to sexual skill and other th…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 05:10 AM
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Then how do you explain their prior experience lmao.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 05:08 AM
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💯 Traditionalism is dead and feminism killed it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 05:04 AM
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38M virgin if anything guys here should strive to be the opposite of whatever you are, because it clearly ain't working lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 05:01 AM
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"trad" women are very rare now. a guy who schizoposts about wanting a "tradwife" may as well be trying to hunt unicorns, as TRP would put it
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 04:59 AM
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She's going to be turned off by a guy that can't kiss and is awkward that claims to have experience too Eh, guys can have some experience and still be subpar/selfish lovers. It's probably better to come clean and hope for someone that is understanding about it. The odds are very bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 04:57 AM
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It makes it look like I ignored your points I'm not accusing you of that am I? I just had extra thoughts and I didn't think you'd respond so quickly.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 04:56 AM
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For hook-ups, it doesn’t particularly matter. I think it would matter more because of the greater emphasis of sexual pleasure and skill. For dating, the woman is going to find out you have little to no experience. You don’t build a good relationship by lying and hiding stuff That's a bold assumption, unless you're in the same social circle and it's widely known that you're inexperienced then it would be very difficult for her to find out. In the same way, a woman with a promiscuous past can very…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 04:34 AM
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Most women marry within their socioeconomic status. This claim is completely unfalsifiable, there are no widely agreed definition for what constitutes having the same "socioeconomic" status. Also one third of married women today are breadwinners so not true. Source? According to Pew husbands are still the sole or primary(>60% of family earnings) breadwinner in 55% of American marriages.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 08:30 PM
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Never said it was. The point was that there's nothing wrong with not completely trusting your partner. There's nothing wrong with shielding yourself from risk. Agreed? For those reasons there's nothing wrong with men avoiding marriage and if you take that as an insult that seems like a problem on your part.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 11:02 AM
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which she would otherwise receive less than her fair share of if she has children on average. Why is half your fair share if you're earning significantly less, as most women are? It's inaccurate to attribute differences in earnings solely to childrearing. Half of all husbands in childless marriages significantly outearn their wives, by at least 50% or more. And what about childless marriages? DINK is becoming an increasingly popular lifestyle.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 09:56 AM
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The Virgin Mary wouldn't be good enough to take the risk. It's smart to not completely trust anyone, even those you love. Would you trust your husband enough to allow him to control the family finances completely?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 09:54 AM
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The vast majority of people have experience working or living away from their parents by the time they're 20. If someone swoops in and snags you before you’ve had that experience, you don’t get that experience. Unless they're cohabitating with their partner, this would not interfere with them experiencing milestones of adulthood such as working or living independently.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 04:26 AM
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https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2019/02/14/millennial-life-how-young-adulthood-today-compares-with-prior-generations-2/ A slim majority of millenial women did not have a bachelor's degree in 2018, and I'm not sure why I would care specifically about UMC. And she was using GRAD SCHOOL to argue how people only become adults at "25" or something, because most people who go to college graduate at 21/22.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 04:23 AM
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are you eulenwatcher?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 01:04 AM
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Many don't go to college and the vast majority of people don't go to grad school lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 07:14 PM
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Which is ridiculous to me because we both have access to the same health care and modern medicine, how is it that a black womans chances of survival drop even!? You really don't To answer your question, I'd say that women are probably more interested in getting married and having kids than men are, but the caveat is that want to do that with the most desirable men. Unfortunately for women, there are only so many chads to go around and not all of them can have a chad to herself.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 06:52 AM
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Both men and women peak at 25 to 30 Major cap, women tend to have noticeable skin aging by then even if it's not major, and also tend to have gained weight. Men tend to have more facial hair and lose buccal fat into their late 20s and 30s which can improve their appearance, so for men there are definitely benefits.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/23 10:14 PM
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Old =/= older A guy who is 5-15 years older is still a notable gap but not old enough to be your dad.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/23 10:06 PM
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it's one thing to complain about the desirability of the people that are interested in you, but painting them as creeps/predators for merely showing interest is a whole different level.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/23 11:11 AM
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I can't say I've personally seen that kind of sentiment on PPD
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/23 09:48 AM
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I meant like those men going on about how they are the greatest Usually after your 30s it's all downhill physically. Not just thinking it should continue to be legal or something. Well I'm saying that I think it's usually harmless if it's not that serious. Look at this guy I replied to, he thinks women like to be beat "Beat" is a strong word but I wouldn't doubt that most women are into BDSM (spanking, hair pulling, etc). Not sure what words he used. he gets excited at the idea of “using up” a w…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/23 09:09 AM
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Do you think cold-approaches are necessarily bad?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/23 08:49 AM
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My problem with this is that, had he respectfully told me what he wanted, whatever it was, I would do it. That would still be controlling IMO. Gaming literally wouldn't have affected him. But he told me later that he wanted to break my confidence. He said it was so I wouldn't leave. I'm so sorry to hear that.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/23 08:48 AM
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Sure. Anyone who is oblivious to it ignores social cues reads as creepy. If you're cold-approaching then there's often nothing to read. How could they know that the guy they're hitting on isn't receptive before they do it? If they accept the rejection without a fuss then what's the problem? There is no expectation of receptiveness I agree, I'm saying it's wrong to demonize men just because you aren't interested.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/23 08:45 AM
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Well that doesn’t seem very logical. Why would you want even less options? It's not just about self-interest. I dislike excessive moralizing in general. College-age chicks are old enough to understand sex and relationships, what they like and don't like, etc. So long as they're not cohabitating an older guy has no real ability to control/isolate her, and regardless that has more to do with economic dependency than age(although they are related). So I don't generally see the problem. On the other…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/23 08:44 AM
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Would it be okay for a guy to call a fat chick "creepy" and accuse her of "sexual harassment" for politely hitting on him, just because the attention is unwanted?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/23 08:39 AM
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I see people say (here and on other parts of the internet) that they want a younger person because they want someone to “mold” or they “don’t have baggage”. The former sounds kinda controlling but the latter is completely understandable IMO. No one wants to deal with baggage. Sure, most people have some kind of baggage but the older you get the more there is.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/23 08:36 AM
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I'm 20 and I defend them pretty often here even though it means more competition for me rn. On the other hand I am Asian and we do tend to mature slower/later so I am kinda banking on that 💯
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/23 08:34 AM
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Reading this, I would describe this as being "controlling" rather than being "manipulative". Most people I've seen define "manipulation" to include some element of deception, I'm not seeing that, rather it seems like he was simply strong arming you into doing what he wanted using the leverage of housing. I loved to write, draw, play video games and make music. He was 6 years older, and so he informed me of how these things were immature. In the adult-life, you'd do your duties and watch TV befor…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/23 04:19 AM
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It's fine to prefer attention from attractive men, it's not fine to demonize less attractive men for hitting on you. If a man talked about fat women that hit on them like that there would be hell to raise.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/23 04:04 AM
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The problem is when they demonize less attractive men for approaching them. Most women wouldn't consider it acceptable if men shit about fat chicks that hit on them the way they talk about short/ugly guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/23 03:56 AM
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There is no "center" to the human race, so any benchmark is as good as another. I'm saying that you should look at ALL "benchmarks".
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/23 11:44 PM
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From evolutionary perspective the purpose of life is to reproduce. "Purpose" in this context is normative. It's not a scientific question. The most that biology can say is that the traits organisms have largely evolved to facilitate reproduction. Whether you should reproduce or not is a normative question and outside the bounds of biology and science generally.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/23 11:36 PM
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You are correct. I am racially Euro so that tends to be my benchmark. I'm the furthest thing from a liberal but this is just dumb. If you only want to talk about white people that's fine, but if you're talking about humans generally you can't focus on a racial group that's frankly a small minority of all humans. She has no leg hair and has never shaved in her life. There you go. I'm surprised you even thought to ask this question in the first place when the answer was right in front of you.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/23 10:48 PM
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If someone is truly against body shaming they would never bring up someone’s body in an argument or as an insult They're not consistently against it. They're only against it when it's done to women, that's the unspoken part. but I think you’re viewing women as a monolith and not acknowledging that different women as a collective can have conflicting opinions In my experience most women use body/sex based insults against men while speaking out against body/sex-shaming towards women. What math are…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/23 10:44 PM
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Like I said, being ND is 100% gonna make things tougher, you’ll have a bit more of a challenge to overcome but 9/10 times you can overcome it How would you? Are you ND? Do you have any statistics?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/23 10:35 PM
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Body hair is an androgenic trait, the body hair women do have is a result of androgens. Less body hair is an indicator of femininity. Body hair varies by ethnicity, you're probably using Europeans as a reference which is mistaken. People from Europe, as well the Middle East and South Asia, tend to have more body hair so even the women are fairly hairy. Sub-Saharan Africans and East Asians tend to have far less body hair. As for genital hair, I think being clean shaven or at least trimming it jus…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/23 10:34 PM
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Being against(or at least claiming to be) body/slut shaming for women and making sex/body related insults towards men are both ubiquitous female behaviors. You do the math.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/23 10:22 PM
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Can you read? I wasn't responding to that part.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/23 05:45 AM
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Where this attitude comes from tho is once you get to about 40 18-23 year olds look and act indistinguishably from children. Humans have this thing called "puberty".
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/23 03:37 AM
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but if Nina walked into their lives all the red pillers would abandon all their supposed principles and preferences and run to the courthouse without a prenup. As someone else said, she's a multimillionaire supermodel. If anything SHE would want a prenup lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/23 10:29 AM
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a lot of them don't even want to financially contribute. Men are the primary or sole breadwinner in the vast majority of families with children.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/23 08:36 AM
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endlessly shame and mock them for their own good 💯
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/23 08:33 PM
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I don't think anyone is entitled to anything but chances are women who make you wait when they have casual sex with other guys aren't that attracted to you and view you as more of a provider.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 10:03 PM
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Average dude is doing average: which lifetime is 4-7 partners. Where are you getting this from?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 09:56 PM
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Frankly you couldn't be more wrong, the "Big 5" is widely used within the academic field of psychology.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 11:32 AM
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Has this hindered my sex life, not that much ,but it is annoying nonetheless. This is until I gained a different perspective. I am 💯 ok now with my height. I for one now no longer give a shit about my height, if it doesn't work for you cool, but It's the determining factor as to how you choose suitors,that poor soul has other things he will soon be worrying about. Trash taking itself out. Ok, good for you. How are you doing with women now?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 09:11 PM
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Married men earn significantly more than single men do. For all the women that are complaining, what are THEY doing to engage?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 06:39 PM
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Alpha fucks beta bucks lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 07:25 AM
1

Again, in most jobs there is opportunity to advance, especially the jobs that partnered men tend to work. And even if there isn't you can still change careers or work overtime to try and earn more. Married men earn more than married women by a long shot, even if they're childless. Whereas the disparity in earnings between unpartnered men and women is tiny. And polling indicates that women do have a strong preference for higher earning men. Women prefer higher earning men and regularly pressure t…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 06:38 AM
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So many women these days are deciding to just opt out all together. Very few women are single and celibate.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 05:52 AM
1

Bullshit, career advancement is possible in the vast majority of jobs. And you can earn more by working overtime as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 05:51 AM
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That's not true. Business, education, nursing, hell even science, all these degrees are more useful.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 03:20 AM
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What do YOU do to maintain the relationship? Are YOU doing any of the things that you're bitching about him not doing?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 12:15 AM
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Sorry Average Joe but you systematically gave me the impression you enjoyed, among other things, long walks on the beach, quiet brunches at cafes, exploring small secondhand bookshops and performing cunnilingus. Have you ever considered that maybe, just maybe, men who start to settle down are under a lot of pressure from their wives and girlfriends to make more money so they have less time for these things?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 12:14 AM
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Why? Because what they're saying makes women look bad?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 12:11 AM
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But go off about your locker room ass saying They might not say it to your face. It's called "locker room talk" for a reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 12:09 AM
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Today is not April 1st. Unless you're going into the field, it's virtually useless and does not provide any specific opportunities. It only serves as a checkbox for jobs that want some kind of degree or for grad school.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 12:08 AM
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I didn’t go to a big college because I don’t think I’m ready to be on my own yet. Do an online bachelors program from a reputable public university for two years. There's tons of them, ASU, Colorado State, Oregon State, University of Florida, etc. Even better if there's a public university in your state that offers it. That's what I do and it's very little work. If you're grades are good enough to be accepted into a university there's no reason to go to community college over an online bachelors…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 12:06 AM
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what makes you think they don't already have friends? they can't have a fuck or have a romantic relationship with their male friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 12:02 AM
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how would you define a "need"
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 11:16 PM
2

About four in every 10 adults (38%) between the ages of 25 and 54 do not have a partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 11:12 PM
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"i've never had a threesome with two guys at once so im a serial monogamist teehee"
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 11:06 PM
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https://archive.totalfratmove.com/40-things-college-girls-say-and-what-they-actually-mean/ most of this shit reads like its straight from TRP lmao. most chads probably believe in the same things that TRP does, they just never joined the community because they never had problems attracting women. there's a reason that "nice guys finish last" is such a common saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 11:05 PM
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The age of consent is 14-16 in most places but I think most people think it's 18 because of Hollywood and that's the age in California.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 09:40 PM
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you don't need to get married to have sex......
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 09:34 PM
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In fact, studies say that most older women without children regret not having them. Sauce? Big if true!
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 07:00 PM
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Yeah but I’m younger couples This isn't about you and you're missing the point. For all couples, about 2/3 of men are at least 12 months are older and the average disparity is the man being 2.5 years older. You also are trying to generate data that is not available in the survey given. If the survey gives the values for a date range, you should not try to extrapolate what you think a subset of that age range is doing based on your feelings. You do not have data about the young cohort, so you sho…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 02:46 AM
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A whole whole lot of women are dating a man just a few years older, though https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/whats-the-average-age-difference-in-a-couple/ According to this 538 article, only 2/3 of all heterosexual relationships involve a man who is at least 12 months older than his female partner. Age gaps tend to be smaller for younger people and I would bet money that "woman older" couples are more common as well. This post is focused on younger people. I don’t think it’s common for a woma…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 08:23 PM
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As explained in this post I think is related to the desirability of the man in question. How many men do you think are attractive enough to consistently have casual sex through FWB relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 11:23 AM
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Seems like that was a typo. I meant to post this similar article from Pew: https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/02/08/for-valentines-day-5-facts-about-single-americans/ Regardless, both polls defined being "single" the same way(not married, cohabitating, or a "committed romantic relationship).
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 10:28 AM
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I never said they liked sharing. Most women would want a "chad" for herself. Unfortunately, most people can't get whatever they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 09:42 AM
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I explained that and linked the survey questions right at the beginning of the post. Women here really do need to get better at reading 🙄
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 09:40 AM
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who is totally not a girlfriend but he's not fooling anyone and would lose his shit Are you even reading what I'm saying? If they're that enmeshed then chances are he's already referred to her as his "girlfriend" at some point. If he isn't that's a major red flag that anyone would be able to identify. They'll turn mental cartwheels to continue to think they can be a player, that they haven't missed out Even if this were true(frankly it's just conjecture on your part), why would women choose to h…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 09:38 AM
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Even having several affairs side by side is super fringe minority of men. It's not an "affair" if you're not in a committed relationship. But those women would not answer that they are in a committed relationship with the guy. Why not? Especially if they're not aware of other women he's seeing. Well that means on average you would need to count all women that are 28 and 29 as not in a committed relationship with a man of the 19-29 age bracket. That is 20% of the women with equal distribution of …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 09:33 AM
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I didn't say "discuss commitment", I said "establish commitment". If you've met each other's families, are talking about moving in, etc, that's well beyond simply "dating". And inevitably they would have to refer to each other by some sort of title, in the hypothetical situation you gave it would most likely be boyfriend/girlfriend, which would be pretty explicitly establishing commitment. If he's never referred to her as his "girlfriend" when their lives have been that enmeshed then he is prett…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 09:22 AM
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The discrepancy for sexually active young men vs. women is much lower with about 70% of young men sexually active vs. 80% of women sexually active. This is a very broad definition of "sexually active" since it includes any man who has had sex in the past year. Including men who reported having sex only once or twice. I should add that prevailing social norms and expectations incentivize men to exaggerate their sexual activity and women to downplay their sexual activity.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 09:04 AM
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As has already been pointed out, age gaps are an issue As has already been pointed out in my post, large age gaps are statistically uncommon and age gaps can go both ways. And on top of that...the barely tolerable guy who has never had the commitment talk with the woman he dates, uses 'Its not a serious thing'to justify his cheating fantasies to himself and would cheat if he could but lol he can't because nobody else actually wants him.... that's a very real thing. Thats like fully half of all s…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 08:45 AM
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it's time for bed grandpa
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 04:31 AM
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it was over for them before they were born
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 04:29 AM
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bro does that johnny guy do anything other than post about how women hate spergs? like he ain't wrong but it's getting repetitive. we all know, the guys mostly agree and the women too know it deep down even if they try to downplay/deny it. yes it never even began for spergcels. whats the point of hashing it out over and over. actually this is typical sperg behavior tbh.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 04:22 AM
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And more importantly beards are not transient and superficial. Like you'll always have that beard unless you decide to shave it, women who rely on makeup to look good can only look like sometimes that unless they are literally wearing makeup 24/7.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/23 10:07 PM
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Strictly speaking "hebephilia" refers to primary attraction to young teens/tweens undergoing puberty. That's close enough to being a pedo for me to not care about making a distinction. Attraction to older teenagers is normal though, most people have more or less reached their final adult appearance by then. Some might be hard/impossible to distinguish from people in their early 20s. Everyone develops at a different rate.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/23 07:55 PM
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either you're a troll or you unironically need to be in an insane asylum lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/23 07:40 PM
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You don't need to have a mental disability to be a NEET living with your parents in your 20s or even 30s....... Yes features associated with being a child. So slim If you think being slim is "childlike" then all that shows is how severe the obesity crisis has become. So slim, flat chested, shorter than what a fully grown women usually is. By that logic are the boyfriends and husbands of short and/or flat-chested women all pedophiles then?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/23 01:10 PM
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Unless you're a loser then by 23 you have moved out of home, experienced a full time job and for a lot of people got a university degree. Many people have not done those things by that age. By labelling these people as "losers" you seem to recognize as much. Why would you want a small teen? Its because they look more underage. What do you mean by "small"? Short? Skinny frame? Low body fat?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/23 12:55 PM
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Yeah, I think that can be the case for most people, male or female. Not sure what your point is.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/23 12:54 PM
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This is not a matter of "restraint". The vast majority of people are not sexually attracted to their offspring. That degree of incest is virtually universally unacceptable across human cultures.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/23 12:44 PM
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A young women is still learning about the world and hasn't yet fully experienced adulthood. Anyone who hasn't moved out or gotten a full-time job hasn't yet "fully experienced adulthood". Including people in their 20s, hell, arguably even people in their 30s. I'm not sure why that's even relevant. Most people understand and start to partake in sex and dating well before full social adulthood. I know behind every barely legal porn search and every small 18 year old Virtually all women will have r…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/23 12:42 PM
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$$$
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/23 12:38 PM
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if you're a masochist no-lifer like me yes
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/23 11:42 AM
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Dude I'm in Toronto and I've heard about attacks where people were shoved onto the rails. Doesn't take a lot of strength to send someone tumbling to their death. And personal space is a thing, jeez.
/r/MensRights27/08/23 03:57 AM
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why would you bother with this if he lives in another country lmao. go touch grass
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/23 03:33 AM
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introduce her to tarkov also based flair
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/23 03:31 AM
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tee hee
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/23 03:30 AM
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looks like someone's in a good mood.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/23 03:29 AM
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you think anything looks good on fat chicks
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/23 02:26 AM
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I lost 30-40 pounds on keto, it worked great for me. Just don't eat too much fat, some people make that mistake because they think that avoiding carbs lets them cheat the laws of physics and eat as much butter and bacon as they want while still losing weight. It does reduce hunger and increase metabolism which is why it's effective but like with any other diet you should try to eat less to maintain a sizeable deficit. And to maintain the fat loss you will very likely have to make permanent dieta…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/23 01:21 AM
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but also it’s your fault if lowering your standards backfires wtf who is saying this? can you give examples?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/23 01:17 AM
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Men's dating advice for women boils down to "don't go for the hot guy, instead discover what the short mediocre looking guys personality is like and form a deep connection with him" and then go and call those same unattractive guys beta buckses The former is what they consider to be ideal, the latter is the reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/23 01:16 AM
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He does tbh, it's important to keep your expectations in check when it comes to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/23 01:15 AM
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The average white guy would be turning down the difficulty from "hard" to "tutorial" by going to SEA
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/23 09:28 PM
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dude a 5'8" guy is tall in SEA lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/23 09:27 PM
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What man in their right mind would want to be friends with a woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/23 08:58 PM
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I have a good face(lean-ish, strong jaw, good eye depth, small forehead) I would say but I'm Asian which I feel is a death sentence here.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/23 01:23 AM
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was she paying most of the rent/expenses?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/23 01:11 AM
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Yeah, he made it clear that while you were on the right track it was more complex in his view.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 10:04 PM
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It's a bit more complex in reality, but AF/BB is a good enough understanding for most people. 🙄
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 09:36 PM
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I think you strawmanned proponents of AF/BB. I don't think most of them believe or claim that women married to "BB" don't work or contribute financially at all. "Imagine unironically saying women don't have jobs and never financially contribute to their household" The person you responded you never said this.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 09:28 PM
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They do contribute, but even childless women earn significantly less than their spouses
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 09:13 PM
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I think all women contribute something, the important question is whether they contribute anywhere near as much as their husbands/boyfriends do.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 09:11 PM
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That's not relevant to the point I was making.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 06:40 PM
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Sure they are, that doesn't mean they're always or usually correct. Especially for a young child that has barely had any life experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 06:38 PM
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You're really here to argue about the potential incorrectness of the feelings of terrified five year old girls from men 10 times their age complimenting them? Yes. Why should it be necessarily wrong for older men to compliment your appearance? When I was that age adult family friends complimented my appearance all the time. If all you have is a "gut feeling" that's hardly any evidence of perverse intentions on their part.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 06:37 PM
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Companies are very vocal about wanting to hire more women for tech roles, and resume experiments show that women have a clear advantage.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 09:09 AM
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She's a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 08:24 AM
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Women also spend the most on consumer goods than men Do you think consumerism is a good thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 08:23 AM
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If there is no possibility of legal abortions, how much will the number of more risky, illegal abortions and infanticides after clandestine births increase? A pro-life individual might argue that preventing dangerous clandestine abortions should not be a priority for policymakers because it's something women choose to do to themselves. Personally, I am sympathetic to that line of reasoning. As I said, it ultimately boils down to values. These are not questions for the non-expert public All the q…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 07:10 AM
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How is it possible that those groups can only listen to one-sided arguments for or against to form such a one-sided point of view? How is it that the media, including televisions, work as echo chambers? Do recognized experts comment on this topic in this black and white way? If so, how is that possible when every complex decision has pros and cons? Because these stances are based on values, not facts. If you think someone is valuable and should not be killed simply because they are a member of t…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 05:58 AM
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I felt afraid and grossed out by how the man was saying it. Right, because people are never afraid of or grossed out by harmless things.......
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 05:54 AM
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"So no, it's not just a small group of men going around being constantly creepy." .
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 05:53 AM
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This subreddit is far from representative.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 05:52 AM
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Again, you're the one who made the claim, I was just asking for evidence.....
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 03:08 AM
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Also the original commenter used the same definition of that term but for some reason you didn't give her shit for it. Wonder why 🤔
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 03:06 AM
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She made the claim, the burden of proof is on her.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 03:04 AM
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and that every woman has dozens of these predators come at them attempting to groom and assault them by the time they’re 12 years old. Have you personally spoken to "every woman"? Or even a large, representative, sample of women?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 03:03 AM
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I don't think many people, especially outside of the US, would necessarily label a young adult who dates an older teenager as a "pedo" depending on the local laws, the age gap, and social norms. It can very well be considered socially acceptable. The age of consent is lower than 18 in most places, even in the developed world.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 03:00 AM
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In under developed countries in the middle east and Africa, grown men have no visceral reaction to having sex with and marrying girls 11-13+. Do you know many Middle Eastern and African men?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 02:52 AM
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"Pedophilia" refers to attraction to pre-pubescent children. I haven't seen any guys here claim that men are inclined towards that. I don't doubt that many if not most men, can find teenage girls attractive. I think it's probably similar for women though, perhaps to a lesser extent. Many teenage boys do have significant facial hair and have reached their adult height by high school so would be hard to distinguish from guys in their early 20s. Whether they would act on their attraction would depe…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 02:51 AM
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Brain-dead comment. Just because they act normal doesn't mean most guys who act normal are like them.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 02:42 AM
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Not often, but a couple times I remember thinking I didn't like how that man said it, but couldn't articulate why. Just a gut feeling of eww compared to feeling blushy. Your basis for labelling compliments as "sexual attention" is your "gut feeling"? 🤡
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 02:41 AM
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Men get resentful when they feel they aren't getting what they really want, a Stacy type woman who has low bodyfat, flat stomach, ample breasts. Guys also get "Stacy widowed" the same way some women do. Seems pretty dumb to draw broad conclusions about a group of people because of a few stories on reddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 02:38 AM
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If one group thinks that an unborn human fetus is as morally valuable as a born human, and the other thinks that women should never be forced to raise kids they don't want, then no compromise can be possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 02:37 AM
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You should have said that then smh
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 10:51 PM
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There's stories of virtually everything online. That doesn't mean it's common. I'm not saying that the men who aren't attracted to their gf are necessarily bored w their relationship By "bored" this article is referring to sexual desire, and the studies measure sexual desire.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 10:50 PM
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Helping others and making a difference in the world, not just following hedonistic desires like your sex drive all the time Society is overwhelmingly hedonistic and focused on material pleasures now.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 09:02 PM
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going to the bar Sounds like you have some abusive and controlling attitudes if you think your spouse having fun makes him an "asshole".
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 09:01 PM
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even then, though, “chad” is a deeply unhappy individual who constantly has to put up a facade soooooooo Are you really this envious of attractive playboys, to the point where you would make up shit about how they must be miserable?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 09:01 PM
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Penalties for being a john tend to be much more severe and regularly enforced than penalties for drinking underage or smoking weed.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 08:59 PM
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$$$$
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 08:56 PM
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There are many stories where the guy will flat out tell the woman she is not attractive to him. The data doesn't seem to support your anecdote. It's women who get bored and disinterested in LTRs, not men You're clearly pulling shit out of your ass and projecting female behavior onto men.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 08:55 PM
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Just because women are relatively weaker doesn't mean they are harmless. And just because men are stronger doesn't mean they are always utilizing their full strength. No child was ever seriously injured being spanked by their dad.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 08:45 PM
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Things regarding strength- the average man is naturally way stronger than a woman. Its why women arent drafted into war (I am totally against the draft at all). Its why DV against women is taken more seriously I think. Do you think these are justified or unjustified?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 08:43 PM
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If you defend abortion rights solely on the basis of bodily autonomy sure, but that's not what progressives seem to have focused on after Dobbs came down. They very much emphasized how unwanted pregnancy and parenthood can disrupt someone's life path, and argued that people have a right to avoid parenthood if it's not the right time for them. Everyone knows that 18+ years of childrearing is an exponentially greater burden than 9 months of gestation. The effects of accidental/unwanted pregnancies…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 08:41 PM
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I’m stating why it’s not easy to “just be thin” for most people, since the argument was that it’s easy. I don't think it's "easy" but you're exaggerating the effects of a calorie deficit. I do agree that changing your diet can help, but ultimately it’s calories in, calories out. That's true, but: people tend to feel less hungry on a low carb diet compared to a conventional weight loss diet, so it's easier to maintain a lower amount of "calories in" some research that people on low carb diets hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 02:24 AM
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Males know they would allow a beautiful woman to come up and dance with him but they would be disgusted if an extremely unattractive woman tried to do the same. Should unattractive women be socially sanctioned and be labelled as sexual harassers if they do so? That's the important question here. It's fine to not like it, or even be disgusted when someone approaches you a certain way, but trying to portray them as a predator is different. When men complain about different standards for "sexual ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 11:06 PM
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I think you, and most people for that matter, have a warped understanding of "skinny" because of how common obesity is. Most people in developed countries have too much body fat, and it's worse for women than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 10:58 PM
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Trying to live on the calorie deficit required to be “ideally” thin for most women, means you are always hungry, tired, and cranky. Being hungry is normal, humans evolved in a food-scarce environment so humans have a drive to want to eat more to build up fat for leaner times. Only now there are no leaner times in developed countries. Extant hunter-gatherers are overwhelmingly low body fat, do you think they're always "tired" and "cranky"? At this point you're just making up dumb excuses for obes…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 10:55 PM
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If a man asked out every non fat woman he saw he would quickly be labelled as a creep/fuckboy.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 10:43 PM
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lmao you retard, that page isn't about "escorts" as in prostitutes. the jobs listed are all customer service jobs centered around literally escorting people. you didn't even read it did you, you just looked up "escort salary" and copied and pasted the first link you saw. "The Candidate shall provide escort support to the staff of the Headquarters United States Special Operations Command Engineer Office." "Responsible for transporting patients and miscellaneous supplies throughout the hospital." …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 05:26 AM
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However, they do observe that their calculations exclude tipping Not a very good calculation then.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 05:24 AM
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These women can only get weirdos/losers to cuff them anyway Big if true! I'll take them 😎
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 05:20 AM
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How would you know that?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 03:28 AM
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There seems to be a strong belief among manospherian men that women are to blame for the high number of divorces these days, as they initiate most of them. Lesbian marriages are far more likely to end in divorce than gay male marriages, and men and women initiate breakups at roughly the same rate in unmarried heterosexual couples. The common denominators here are women and marriage, you do the math. Men cheat more, the only age group with the opposite numbers are people between 18-29, but the di…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 09:42 PM
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I don't think even guys who are vocal about high body count women are that puritanical. Most aren't religious or Christian, if you have sex with a guy you're in a committed relationship with I doubt they would care. The rhetoric is more so anti casual sex than anything else.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 09:27 PM
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The vast majority of people don't go to swinger parties lmao, and the people who do are mostly older people.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 07:14 PM
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Ok, who cares?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 06:11 PM
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Most women have casual sex now so this is kind of a moot point.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 09:50 AM
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Less than 10% of women are hourglass shaped. Where are you getting this from?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 09:40 AM
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Generally speaking, you need to build muscle in order to improve your appearance, whether you're male or female, because muscle is what enables you to look lean without looking gaunt. Exercises favored by women(jogging, stretching, pilates, etc.) usually aren't very good for building muscle As for fat loss, calories burned by exercise in of itself is insignificant compared to the basal energy expenditure required to sustain your essential bodily functions. And calories burned by exercise are cou…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 09:37 AM
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a lawyer, for example, might not directly use maths very much, but definitely needs a firm grasp of logical reasoning which is learned primarily through study of maths I think you're mainly thinking of litigator, not all lawyers are litigators that spend a lot of time arguing over factual cases in court. And you can build logical and reasoning skills by doing a lot of things, this is a really dumb argument. I use logic and reasoning playing Bannerlord and Squad. Hell, I don't even think math req…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 07:54 PM
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What kind of women are they? Family? Girlfriends/situationships?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 07:47 PM
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Speaking as another CS major, math knowledge apart from arithmetic is not really required for most CS courses or a career in software development. only the highly theoretical aspects of CS are math-heavy. And I think the main reasons that compulsory education was implemented was to instill discipline/obedience and keeping kids in school so they have less time to go out and cause trouble. Also when compulsory education was introduced far less was being taught to the kids and the compulsory durati…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 07:43 PM
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There are of course other skills necessary for jobs but often they're not things that are taught in schools. Like practical skills for trades or law enforcement, coding for software development, practical and social skills for jobs involving customer service, etc. And for jobs that do require certain knowledge taught in schools, they don't require most of the other things that are taught in schools. Like an accountant needs to know math but not literature, science, history, etc. A lawyer probabl…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 07:40 PM
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But if you cannot admire I can admire women's accomplishments, sure. Lisa Su led AMD to great success from being greatly outshadowed by Intel/Nvidia. Now I have an AMD CPU in my gaming PC. That doesn't mean I'd want to be friends with her. or break bread with a woman or share a social event with a woman At this point you're talking about avoiding women entirely and not merely not befriending them. Women are everywhere, I'm clearly not talking about not attending some social event because there a…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 06:26 AM
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Not a single one except the gay ones and even then one of them made out with me at a bar. Doesn't sound very gay to me lmao. Probably a confused bisexual.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 06:17 AM
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On the other hand, all I really have to say about this take is "don't buy into stereotypes." Honestly, I don't think excluding certain groups from your personal relationships is a huge deal, especially if it's based on factors that apply to a large majority of that group. If a woman has had a lot of bad experiences with male "friends" trying to get with her I definitely wouldn't see a problem with her avoiding befriending men 🤷‍♂️ If you are experiencing casual sex to broaden you horizons at a p…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 05:02 AM
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That's fine. If you, as man, tell me you never met a single cool soccer player or a tuba player or an artist or a skater girl who could be your friend, you sre lying. I like PC gaming, history, coding somewhat, and I'm fairly right-leaning politically (there is a pretty big disparity in political beliefs between young men and young women, much more so compared to previous generations). I seriously doubt I'd get along as friends with many women platonically. I forgot to mention this, someone else…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 04:44 AM
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Also this reason tbh 💯 women expect their male friends to do a lot of favors with them and do barely anything in return, men don't expect nearly as much and are more helpful.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 04:35 AM
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Well then it does say something about women, does it......
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 04:33 AM
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I guess some men are much "nicer" and more PC then me 🤷‍♂️ You're shifting the goalposts though. Yeah I dish it, but I can also take it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 04:28 AM
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I disagree, everything is just fine and dandy around other guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 04:26 AM
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Plenty of women aren't interested in friendships with men, due to lack of common interests(especially more feminine women) or the concern that these men will use friendship as a guise for approaching them sexually/romantically.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 04:23 AM
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You type with your ass or something? Because that's a load of shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 04:22 AM
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I think women are generally more easygoing towards you if they're attracted to you. With female platonic friends it's like walking on eggshells.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 04:16 AM
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Would a woman be guilty of "dehumanizing" men if she was only interested in casual sex with men, and not serious relationships or friendships?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 04:14 AM
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I think with most female platonic friendships the dynamics are different, women are more sensitive and are less willing to tolerate crude or dark humor, or friendly roast, compared to men. I'm sure there are some exceptions but for me, it's easier to avoid befriending women generally.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 03:05 AM
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Think you meant "platonic friendship". "Platonic relationship" can include a great many different kinds of relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 02:57 AM
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I don't think men are reducing you to sexual objects just because they're not interested in befriending you. Men and women are different from one another, plenty of women aren't interested in befriending men and no one ever gives them shit. The only case I think it would be accurate to claim objectification is if they disregard literally everything else about you, like not recognizing/valuing your skills and accomplishments in a professional or academic context for example.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 02:13 AM
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“how can I get sex from people who currently don’t want to give it to me?” Why should people help them get around consent, it’s not moral Changing someone's mind is not "getting around consent". Consent is not static and unchanging. Just like how someone who initially consents can withdraw consent, someone who initially doesn't consent can also change their mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 08:27 PM
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you have to look at the person you’re getting your advice from and see if they align with your value Most men would certainly like to have casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 08:25 PM
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It's more like "how do I make someone want me". No one can force women to be with guys they don't want to be with.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 08:24 PM
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Those kids entered the foster system later, as I said fewer people want to adopt older kids. But virtually all babies that are up for adoption will get adopted.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 08:02 AM
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It's easy for women to say that when they don't have to deal with rejections anywhere near as much as men.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 06:35 AM
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It's easy for women to say that when they don't have to deal with rejections anywhere near as much as men.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 06:35 AM
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Virtually all do.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 04:57 AM
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how strong is the “financial abortion” lobby again? it’s not exactly a widely supported issue even among men right now. For the past several decades women have generally had the right to abortion in the US. In many states that is no longer the case since the Dobbs decision that overruled Roe. Going forward, "financial abortion" will be the only foolproof way for women to unilaterally relieve themselves of parental obligations in these states.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 04:53 AM
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Not only because if nobody does, they’ll have to pick up the bill, No, they will get adopted.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 04:50 AM
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I think you don't realize how common it was for men to avoid parental responsibility in the past. Regardless, I think they will want to let women opt out and if they do that they have to give men that option as well. Existing safe haven laws are already gender neutral and fathers can drop off unwanted babies at designated sites, the only caveat is that the mother will find out and can contest during parental termination process.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 04:49 AM
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I can easily see conservative states telling men to man up and take responsibility. If you didn't wrap up during sex, it's your financial problem now. The point is they want to give women a way out, and legally they would probably have to give men the same option as well or risk an equal protection clause lawsuit. As I've said, safe haven laws in every state already allow fathers to drop off their babies, although he will still likely end up having to pay child support if the mother finds out an…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 04:30 AM
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No matter how much soy you guzzle, or how often you proclaim yourself a feminist "ally", man-hating women will never view you positively. Stop trying to placate them.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 03:30 AM
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I doubt biology is the main reason women choose to have abortions. 18 years of childrearing is an exponentially greater burden than 9 months of gestation.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 03:29 AM
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Most married couples, especially more traditional ones, completely combine their finances 🤷‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 03:17 AM
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Because of biology, those are your choices. Choices are not restricted by biology, choices are restricted by law.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 02:55 AM
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Reproductive rights is a distinct concept from bodily autonomy, it refers to the general ability to decide if, when, and how many children you want to have. For instance, a ban on the possession of contraception, which does not infringe on bodily autonomy per se, would be considered a restriction on an individuals reproductive rights. If women can opt out of parenthood, post-conception, via abortion and men don't have the same ability then that represents an inequality in reproductive rights.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 02:54 AM
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And women have contraceptive options too, and can choose to abstain from sex, yet that doesn't stop abortion rights advocates from talking about a "woman's choice". Clearly I am talking about the choice to opt out of parenthood after unwanted conception, same as them.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 02:49 AM
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Every single penny earned by a married person is considered to be jointly owned by the couple.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 02:47 AM
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First, if the state has the option to make someone pay for the child, they will always do so. Unwanted babies are almost always successfully adopted out, because the demand to adopt babies is so high(not the same for older children in the foster system). The state won't need to pay anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 02:46 AM
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you have no chance at “financial abortions.” you cant unilaterally give up a child thats been born. As of right now no. But if enough women complain about being forced to pay child support for unwanted children, and if pro-life state governments realize that providing a foolproof way out for unwilling parents can reduce illicit abortions, then I think that seems very likely.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 02:44 AM
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You didn't even read my post, did you? You are sacrificing your freedom from an unwanted pregnancy and unwanted children Currently, men have no freedom. Men have no choice. Men are completely subject to the whims and wishes of their baby mommas.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 02:41 AM
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Hope she sees this bro 🙏
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 12:32 AM
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Cooking, cleaning, or child rearing doesn't mean you're excused from contributing to household finances.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 12:32 AM
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Good examples, I agree, those are believable and plausible methods of deception. Have you or any woman you know ever been subject to that?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 11:19 AM
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this is coercive How is it coercive if no one is being forced to drink?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 05:32 AM
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So better to be a secret, seething (but quiet about it) slut shamer? I don't think not wanting to wife up a slut means he's seething. You can recognize that promiscuous women tend to be worse partners, and avoid them for anything serious, without hating them.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 04:58 AM
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Why would women take their chances at a club when they can open Tinder on their phone and have their pick of chads in the area lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 04:55 AM
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in order to get someone to have sex with you using deception and emotional manipulation. Could you give some examples of what this "deception" or "emotional manipulation" might look like?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 04:47 AM
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that's a strong way of putting it but research I've seen indicates that less agreeable men tend to be more successful with men. all else being equal the douchebag is probably going get more interest than the nice dude.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 04:42 AM
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If you're a guy and you go down the andrew tate/new manosphere route and start being a vocal slut hater you're only shooting yourself in the foot. Girls will be less willing to fuck and fuck early if they think you'll judge them harshly for it. It's fine to not to want to get seriously involved with a slut but for your own sake, and for the sake of decency, stop crying so much about women's sex lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 04:38 AM
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what country do u live in?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 04:35 AM
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Thats a reach because most girls don't wear push up bras or heels anymore this isn't 2005. Heels definitely, though I don't consider those to be deceptive because they're quite visible. Makeup but he probably saw her with no makeup as well and most girls wear natural style makeup. Depends on how long they've been together. The first few dates/hookups I doubt he would see her without makeup, unless she stays the night or something and goes to the trouble of taking it off. And "natural style" make…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 04:34 AM
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How would you differentiate it from someone who is being honest? It would be hard to, which is why I agree saying those things when you don't actually feel that way is deceptive. It's just not exactly "promising commitment".
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 04:29 AM
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"Nice guys" as in "highly agreeable and kind men".
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 04:28 AM
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No, but they sure are adamant that a woman’s job, education I don't think trad larper teens on PPD are representative of men as a whole. Most guys are not interested in being a sole provider and expect a partner who can pull their weight financially. I don't see why men should care about education so long as their job is okay, unless you're an elitist who thinks who haven't been to university are beneath you. Education is not that important in the grand scheme of things, for most people it's jus…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 04:24 AM
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TikTok openly saying they find short men repulsive This is pretty believable and common and that they only want to date millionaires. This isn't, and I doubt they're being 100% serious or that many women feel that way
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 04:18 AM
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seek professional help 💀
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 04:16 AM
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Using any sort of substance to get her to be more vulnerable with you Does this include cases where she voluntarily and knowingly consumes a certain substance, like cannabis or alcohol?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 04:04 AM
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Good examples, but those aren't really "promising commitment" per se. More like saying shit to make her think you want to commit.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 02:24 AM
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The scenario you described can make sense but "love bombing" and "implying a future" doesn't necessarily mean promising commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 02:22 AM
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My thoughts as well tbh
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 02:22 AM
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The man (classmate) convinced her that, in their religion, all they needed to do in order to be married was to state aloud that they were married Muslim?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 02:21 AM
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how many escorts have u met that cook and clean for their clients.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 02:21 AM
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Slut shaming is a societal concept that has been around for a few centuries. And if it wasn't still common then women wouldn't be bitching as much as they do lmao. Hi, I'd like to order a McDouble, but first you should know I've had sex with 12 men. Could I get that without tomatoes? Thanks". I mean I could say the same about your argument. "Hi I'd like a Big Mac, but first you should know that I don't want a relationship with you".
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 12:56 AM
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Palestinians cannot catch a break lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 12:55 AM
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Well she didn't make that clear. And if that was the case, is it possible that he ended the relationship because he thought the sex was bad?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 12:55 AM
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I'm sure there are but this specific method described doesn't make a lot sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 12:52 AM
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It's not a secret that makeup exists but it can be hard to tell if an individual woman is wearing makeup. Many forms of makeup are designed to be hard to notice, such as concealer and foundation. If a woman uses makeup to make her look a certain way, and it's not blatantly obvious that it's due to make up(like eye shadow or lipstick would usually be obvious for instance), then it's deceptive.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 12:51 AM
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Did they literally call these women their "girlfriend", or did the women hear what they want to hear?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 11:15 PM
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If that was the case then women wouldn't be complaining about "slut-shaming" as much as they do. So by your logic why isn't it also lying for women to not disclose their sexual history history to every guy they meet?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 11:15 PM
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That doesn't change the fact that makeup can be deceptive.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 11:11 PM
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Who cares about someone's sexual past? Many if not most men.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 11:10 PM
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he lies that he will commit, the woman sleeps with him because she believes him Why would you believe a man making vague promises that he will commit in the future? If he has genuinely decided that he wanted a relationship he wouldn't wait. Alternatively, if he merely said that he's "looking for a relationship" that's not a promise.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 11:10 PM
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Most people wouldn't consider merely not telling people things to constitute "lying"..... Would it also be lying for a woman with an extensive sexual past to not disclose that to guys she's dating?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 11:03 PM
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Do you think not voluntarily telling people that you're not interested in a relationship is "deceit"? If so, why?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 11:00 PM
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I've never heard of a guy ghosting after acknowledging a chick as his "girlfriend" 🤷‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 09:31 PM
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a man said he was interested in a committed relationship with me so I felt safe to begin a sexual relationship I don't really get this, if they expressly say they want a committed relationship and you do too then why not DTR now? Why wait? and then he changed his mind. If he genuinely changed his mind, as opposed to knowing that he didn't want a relationship from the start, that wasn't lying. Of course you have no way of knowing.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 09:30 PM
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i think sometimes women get their hopes up and assume they are in a relationship but no conversation has been had to establish that. i wouldn’t consider that being tricked I strongly agree with this part.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 09:29 PM
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would be men promising commitment I highly doubt that a man would ever promise to have a relationship in the future, the concept itself makes zero sense. If someone was sure they wanted relationship then they would offer to define the relationship starting now.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 09:26 PM
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Lying about their jobs, finances, etc. as well. Women deceive men about their personal characteristics every time they downplay their sexual history, or even put on makeup.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 09:25 PM
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Has this happened to you or to someone you know?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 09:24 PM
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From your own personal or from stories of women you know, what does this look like?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 09:24 PM
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Throwing insults that are blatantly and obviously untrue will make you look like an idiot.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 04:16 PM
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That's a very feminine mindset. Many men would disagree with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 04:15 PM
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damn sounds goated why did she dump u
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 05:01 AM
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Well then logically people should avoid interracial marriage then bruh
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/23 07:23 PM
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Age gap relationships end in divorce Then don't get married. They dismiss things like different life stages, bad power dynamics, stigma, lack of similarities, family planning challenges I don't see why family planning would be relevant here, both parties can still use contraception methods. I'm not sure what kind of "power" an older man would have over a younger either unless she was financially dependent on him. But many if not most relationships involve a significant degree of financial depend…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/23 07:21 PM
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How would you define a "need"?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/23 06:59 PM
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My (28m) boyfriend just asked me (28f) how many men I have slept with. Litteraly just now in this moment. He is out having a smoke and a beer because I guess me saying I don't want to tell him stresses him out. I have been with multiple partners. And I know that my boyfriend has only been with a handful of partners and I believe a 1 nighter. My number of Boyfriends and hookups exceed his by far. Honestly I've never been ashamed of it, until now. I have told him all about the boyfriends, and a fe…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/23 03:40 AM
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I'm just saying, most incels and black pill guys are just as hypergamous as they claim women to be. How would you know this?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 09:06 PM
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nice projection
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 05:43 PM
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Ugly/mid bitches who can't get chad to commit lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 04:51 PM
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Wrong And this is just for childless couples. The disparities would be even more significant more all couples, likely not only due to maternal burden but also selection.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 04:51 AM
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I'm not white...... They like tall kpop looking dudes. The overwhelming majority of Asian guys are not very tall and do not look like kpop stars lmao. And that's not mutually exclusive with liking white guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 04:45 AM
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But it’s not in Japan, South Korea, Singapore, Hong Kong, any developed Asian country. Maybe it's not as easy compared to SEA but it's still pretty for easy for white guys. Most east/southeast asian women love white guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 02:54 AM
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Average white guys don't need to pay hookers to get laid consistently in SEA.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 02:49 AM
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From a business standpoint, it's a terrible decision. It's pretty sweet for most women, legally combining finances with someone who in all likelihood earns significantly more than you.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 08:03 AM
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Do you actually people posting CMVs are looking to have their minds changed? They just want to soapbox. but want to pontificate on the sexual and relationship habits of other people? That's rich, women are unable to resist doing this all the time. Look at how much they seethe at Leo because he dates young models.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 08:02 AM
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My ears used to stick out and I got plastic surgery to have them pinned back. Government paid for it too lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 07:50 AM
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Yeah and you said there was a thread where multiple men admitted to doing this. I mean if you think most men do this the onus is on you to prove it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 05:08 AM
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Batting in your league
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 04:08 AM
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You said there was a thread where "men" were admitting to this, this is just one dude.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 05:47 PM
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What thread? Anyone can claim that they've seen anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 07:33 AM
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In most contexts your sexual skills are only relevant once you manage to get your foot in the door with looks/game. That's the problem for most incels/struggling guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/23 07:30 AM
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If the person said that they totally want sex/a relationship from you and bailed the second they got something else, be it a free dinner or sex, that's also considered a dick move. Which is more or less OP's point. It's not socially acceptable to criticize women for backing out of sex in ANY situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/23 07:25 AM
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Because men proudly tell on themselves online and in all-male company and some repeat this pattern over and over Can you give a singular example of this? I've certainly never seen men advocate for lying about their intentions to get laid. Not even TRP, if anything they advocate for the opposite, saying that men SHOULDN'T indicate interest in a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/23 07:21 AM
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Partially yeah, but I think most women, globally, tend to find white guys more physically attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/23 06:18 PM
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Johnny isn't wrong but he needs to touch grass lmao. He's the most active poster here by far.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/23 06:13 PM
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Im asking this because I really want to prove to "bl*ckpillers" that women arent as shallow as men and care more about personality/neurotypicality than a guy's appearance. So you've already come to a conclusion and you're looking to cherry pick evidence to support your preconceived beliefs? And to top it off you're telling this to the people you're asking, something which will inevitably influence their answers?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/23 10:31 AM
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True, ultimately the evo-psych people need to realize that our higher brain functions allow us to completely sidestep a lot of "instinct" around any of these ultimately social constructs Which instincts are being generally "sidestepped"? The most fundamental ones, sex and food, clearly haven't been. Look at the obesity crisis. Humans are suffering from living in a society with abundant, calorie-dense, food. Because innate human feeding behaviors are adapted to calorie-scarce environments. We can…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/23 10:12 AM
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The former. Natural selection is what made humans what they are today. Virtually everything about you evolved to facilitate successful reproduction in some way.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/23 10:06 AM
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Is it the same men saying these things? Do you think men are a hivemind?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/23 09:36 AM
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Sometimes those are synonymous. Women, in many ways, are more "childlike" than men. I think it may be the case here, I know many college age young women that still have plushies.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/23 09:35 AM
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They are different but the person you are responding to was talking about "getting a girl into bed". If she agrees to sex with a condom you've already achieved that.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/23 02:32 AM
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Not saying upfront that you're not interested in a relationship is not being deceitful. It's entitled to assume that guys are interested in a relationship. Many if not most men who have casual sex are open to having a relationship as well. That doesn't mean they would definitely want a relationship with you, and women often end up disappointed when they assume that.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/23 10:20 PM
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Stealthing happens in situations where women have already agreed to sleep with them. It's irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/23 10:18 PM
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No it's more like progressive saying that poor people are more likely to steal than rich people because they have less money to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/23 10:17 PM
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but men will play games to get it. What "games"?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/23 10:17 PM
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The attention and “generosity” they get is only sexual meaning, the only reason they are helping her is to possibly have sex. This is a reductionist view, most men are interested in relationships and eventually marriage. Any attraction is based on a body being considered hot You don't need to be "hot" for men to be interested in you. I was explicitly talking about "moderately attractive" women. My point is that what you call generosity always comes with strings attached. Women are under no oblig…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/23 10:14 PM
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I often hear about men desiring a woman who submits to him. A vocal minority of manosphere men.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/23 08:00 AM
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How do you think a moderately attractive woman is treated? I think if they put themselves out there, they will get plenty of attention from, and be treated generously, by men. Many guys will do favors for them, pay for dates and other relationship expenses, pay more towards living expenses if they're cohabitating, etc. This generosity can even come from guys who they aren't dating or sleeping with, who hope to win them over. The difference between them and the most attractive women is that they …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/23 07:56 AM
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Being treated like a woman who's at least moderately attractive would obviously be great, but I don't want that enough to become trans lmao. And even if I did most men don't like MtFs, and if you transition after puberty it's very difficult to pass.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/23 06:16 PM
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make them simp for me and spend money on me 💯
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/23 04:30 PM
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Men always act like not getting casual sex is the biggest problem. Can't say I've seen many incels complain about a lack of casual sex specifically, they're upset because they don't have any kind of sexual/romantic relationship. If you compare the lack of sex to real problems like poverty or sickness a lack of sex doesn't seem like a legitimate problem. Have you ever complained about anything other than poverty or sickness? It would be like women complaining that men dont give them free money. P…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/23 05:34 AM
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Is it a mostly male workplace? If so, how much sexism have you faced?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/23 03:35 AM
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i am a college educated woman, but i have worked mostly in blue collar trades positions. <image> what do you do
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/23 03:23 AM
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That could be a return to poverty As I said, womp womp. That's how she was living before. Not to mention that a sudden loss of your whole or most of your livelihood is likely to end up with you worse off than before. How? What did she "lose"? She can just go back to whatever she was doing before. or being deported for a start If you didn't immigrate illegally that's not going to happen. And I doubt that would be the case, in the US(and in most countries I think) it's relatively easy to immigrate…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/23 12:42 AM
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In the scenarios he gave(sugar dating and marrying a foreign woman), the only "difficulty" is that the women would return to their lifestyles before meeting them. Womp womp.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/23 05:59 PM
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If he feels he's even slightly uncomfortable on he can discard her at a moment's notice, whereas she may not be free to do so. You think being a gold digger is the only way to make a living? and he is the one seeking this whole arrangement out Bullshit. Both sugar daddies and sugar babies seek out the arrangement.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/23 03:45 PM
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Any trait associated with the male sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/23 03:44 PM
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Mediocre and ugly women get plenty of attention from men. Stop projecting.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/23 05:20 AM
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Do you have a source? And how much of that is due to working less? Frankly that's a valuable thing in of itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/23 05:19 AM
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I think you're strawmanning. I've seen very few manosphere men here speak in absolutes, they usually describe general trends. And this has little to do with neuroticism, it has more to do with systemizing.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 10:25 PM
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Dating is not logical. It’s not scientific. Human attraction and mating behaviors can absolutely be the subject of scientific investigation, as is the case with any other animal. Observing that human females prefer taller men is not fundamentally different from, say, observing that peahens prefer to mate with peacocks with larger and more colorful tail plumage.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 10:23 PM
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"Be the best option" usually isn't realistic. A somewhat more attainable goal is to be good enough for them to be genuinely attracted to you, not just your money.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 07:11 PM
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If I'm a sociopath, then what does that make women, who regularly kill their own "flesh and blood" through abortion?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/23 11:12 AM
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Why do you think that is? Do they want attention from men or do they just like how it looks? I don't get why someone would want attention from a bunch of horny internet randos if they're not getting $$$ from it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/23 05:46 AM
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Are they trying to attract specific men?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/23 05:34 AM
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I think they do it so they can attract specific men I think this is what women sexualizing themselves usually boils down to. Either that or it's transactional. or they are a cosplayer who wants to show off their hard work. If that's their intent then I don't think it counts as a thirst trap.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/23 05:33 AM
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better than me dude
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/23 05:26 AM
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Face it, if you want a woman who isn't after your money, she's gonna be a leftist liberal feminist. If women on Reddit are anything to judge by, left-wing feminists aren't much different in that respect. The constant dehumanization and hostility towards men contributes to that. If you think men are oppressive and privileged then why wouldn't you be okay with milking them for all they're worth? In the last post I made, I didn't see a single woman who endorsed a 50/50 split on expenses if one part…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/23 05:16 AM
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What can I say, mommy should have given them up for adoption 🤷‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/23 05:12 AM
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Returning to your home country isn't that difficult.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/23 05:11 AM
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Amen to that 🙏 Women, I implore you, please listen to her advice and stop leeching off of us.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 11:37 PM
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Do they get to share in the profits they help create? Why should they get a share of the profits when they never invested in the business and took on a share of the risk in case the business failed? Leftists want privatized losses and socialized profits. It's absurd.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 11:35 PM
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Maybe not in the long term, but not everyone can save up for a down payment. Not to mention that many people need to move for work if they can't do their job remotely.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 11:34 PM
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keep seething rentoid lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 11:29 PM
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u/CapsuleCorpLogo I think you've said before that women like you but you prefer anime girls. How much interest from women(3d obviously) do you actually get? Or are you just a weebcel larping as a chad?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 11:28 PM
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Some guys are so undesirable they struggle to get anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 11:26 PM
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why do they do that? have you ever asked them?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 11:25 PM
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The clitoris is right next to the vulva, it's not as if smells and/or buildup from that won't be noticeable.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 11:24 PM
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i doubt there are many tween boys, or even high schoolers, here.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 11:08 PM
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FDS vetting works for less desirable men, but that's a moot point because they want chad. Why would chad put up with a chubby, ugly, FDS user's bullshit when they have plenty of nicer and better-looking chicks that are interested? FDS users greatly overestimate their value lmao.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 11:06 PM
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Not if you have foreign citizenship in a country with no enforcement agreement in the US 🗿. I've read about Saudi international students who just went home after they knocked up American chicks by accident. They can't do shit to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 11:04 PM
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Condoms can fail. Or be sabotaged.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 11:02 PM
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You can just pull it back to wash thoroughly. I would know.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 11:01 PM
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Shit like this makes me grateful to be an immigrant, I can always head back to my home country in the worst case scenario.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 10:49 PM
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trash talking in a video game lobby is nowhere near as mean-spirited as picking on a little kid
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 10:47 PM
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I never picked on little kids when I was a tween/teen. Some kids are just shitheads.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 10:37 PM
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Why are tween girls so mean-spirited? I was with my little brother(8) out at the playground, and he was yelling and screaming while he was playing, as kids do, two of them decided to mock him. I let it go at first but they kept doing it so I yelled at those cunts to STFU.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 10:26 PM
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And I don't condone that so you're just arguing against a strawman.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 10:25 PM
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If you think there's a problem feel free to point it out, otherwise I'm not going to waste any more time with this.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 08:49 PM
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If there are indeed "glaringly obvious problems" then you should be able to point it out.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 08:42 PM
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Thats because women tend to pick lower paying jobs that arent valued by society. Ok, and?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 08:36 PM
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Alot of high earning jobs nowadays are overpaid IMO and alot of harder jobs are underpaid. It doesnt mean anything, money is really just a figure of what society values more and often society is wrong. Jobs are paid according to how much others value the work, not how difficult it is. If I spend 10 hours a day digging holes and filling them back up, that's a difficult job. But I haven't really provided anything of value to others. Who made you the ultimate authority on deciding how valuable a jo…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 08:02 PM
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Y'all destroy your fuck off time and then act all stressed out. Like, no one made you do that extra shit. You did that to yourself. In my fields, you cannot get by doing the bare minimum if you want to advance. but seeing as I know so many men with fuck off time in their jobs who only refuse to admit it when in a debate Why does it matter? At the end of the day, chances are he's bringing home a significantly bigger paycheck than she is.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 07:59 PM
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You're missing the point. In relationships there is often a division of labor. By that logic women are also incompetent if their partner pays more towards expenses because those women were likely self-sufficient in the past.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 07:56 PM
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Posts like this make me wonder why guys want to have kids. I could very well be the sole provider, and will still do what I can with childcare, cause I want to have a relationship with my children. Sure, but there's still a lot of other work that needs to be done apart from childcare. If you want to fight over every little detail of who does what, marriage is not for you. This is exactly what women are guilty of when they bitch about men not doing enough around the house.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 07:52 PM
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I mean they're right next to each other, what are you gonna do, cover up the rest with plastic wrap? Still gross.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 07:50 PM
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sucking dick isn't equivalent to eating pussy, it's way easier to keep a dick clean because there aren't any flaps and folds.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 07:36 PM
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but perfectly acceptable for a woman to bear for a man's pleasure. That's not up to me, it's up to her.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 07:34 PM
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HIV primarily affects homosexual men and intravenous drug users, HIV transmission from PIV sex is incredibly unlikely. Whereas according to that article 1 in 9 men in the US are orally infected with HPV.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 07:14 PM
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I mean the position is kinda submissive.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 07:07 PM
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"She's not interested in you because you won't do the dishes" is the biggest load of shit I've ever heard.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 07:00 PM
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How many men do you hear complaining about paying more towards households expenses? The vast majority are more than willing to.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 06:58 PM
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He's your husband though, OP is talking about how she treats guys she just started dating. It's not really the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 06:33 PM
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They define "egalitarian" marriages very broadly, as anything less than a 60/40 split. If one partner earns 60k a year and the other partner earns 40k a year, that would be labelled as "egalitarian" despite the former earning 50% more than the latter.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 06:32 PM
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What "problems"?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 06:30 PM
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This is exactly what I'm talking about, you're devaluing men's contributions as providers just because they don't contribute in the ways you think they should.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 09:40 AM
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Even in childless couples men significantly outearn women: https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/12l5b2u/male_vs_female_income_in_childless_couples/
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 09:39 AM
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Broadly, single men are underemployed, don’t own their own homes and frequently share rent with roommates. This post is about married/cohabitating men. Source? tasked with the mundane minutia of taking care of a grown man as though he’s a child. If he earns significantly more than you, then who's really taking care of who?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 04:57 AM
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Someone who's busting his ass for a paycheck is not "helpless" or "incompetent".
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 04:55 AM
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How many minor children do you know that are paying most of the household expenses?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 04:36 AM
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Why would I concern myself specifically with the participants of some random internet forum? I'm talking about men and women broadly.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 04:35 AM
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Regardless of your own personal opinion on childrearing, this is the norm now.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 04:08 AM
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You ain't the provider if we're working the same, you just make more. We're both providing. If one party earns significantly more then they are the primary breadwinner. I'm sorry to say the jig was up the moment women got in the workplace and realized how much fucking off occurs in those typical 8 to 10 hour work days. No, you just have easier jobs than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 04:06 AM
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Rarely does a couple like this have a drastic income difference. https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/12l5b2u/male_vs_female_income_in_childless_couples/ Even in childless couples there's a significant disparity in income.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 03:59 AM
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Roommates maintain separate finances and don't subsidize each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 03:58 AM
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Roommates maintain separate finances and don't subsidize each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 03:57 AM
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If you both work approximately the same hours housework needs to be split evenly regardless of who earns more Why? If a man takes longer to accomplish the same amount of housework than a woman because he's less efficient, does that mean his contributions should be viewed as equal?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 03:55 AM
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this tbh. if you view raising kids as just a chore then you shouldn't have them.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 03:54 AM
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you think just because you work harder that you shouldn’t spend as much time taking of the place you live and spending time with your children. Yes, absolutely. If men are contributing more financially why isn't it fair for women to contribute more in other respects? raising a child is 1000x harder than any job Bullshit, you don't need to hover over a child 24/7, especially after the first few years. There are plenty of things parents can and do use to keep children occupied, such as digital dev…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 03:53 AM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/12l5b2u/male_vs_female_income_in_childless_couples/
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 03:51 AM
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Is it fair for you to expect your partner to contribute more to household finances while refusing to do a greater share of housework?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 01:10 AM
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I personally find it a bit unfair to jump down the throats of anyone that may slip up or have conflicting ideas because of that. But many of these same women do exactly that when it's men who express non-egalitarian ideas that don't benefit women. Methinks it's not merely a "slip up", it's just straight up double standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 01:07 AM
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Regardless, alimony is not awarded in the vast majority of divorces so I doubt most would be successful even temporarily if they tried.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 12:27 AM
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we have proving the positive causation/correlation of marriage, it would make sense to propose the idea that marriage is good for people. You have yet to link any evidence of causation. "Good" is a value judgement. Earning more isn't necessarily desirable if you need to work more to achieve that, and honestly neither is being "healthier" if you have to give up certain foods or alcohol. On average married people seem to fare better than their unmarried counterparts though. I don't care about marr…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 09:02 PM
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https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/7738077/ This study only examines married and cohabitating couples. "Eight percent of couples were white, 13% were non-white, and the remainder were racially mixed" The sample is also incredibly non-representative. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26004449/ This doesn't really change what I said, even if the decline usually begins before cohabitation, cohabitating couples will still tend to have less sex than non-cohabitating couples. men with disabilities and othe…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 07:53 PM
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Bullshit, not as much paying what is effectively an ex-wife for the rest of your life, and everything you earn being jointly owned.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 07:08 PM
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He might do that, he might not. If you're already effectively divorced and he's getting milked then you bet your ass he will.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 05:40 PM
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These results indicate that a lower level of pay satisfaction induce married men to put more effort into their work, which leads to higher wages.” If it's because of harder work then it's not necessarily a desirable thing. They live longer and enjoy better physical health. Chicken or egg. or whose marriages ended in divorce or widowhood. Right and that's just under half of all marriages, usually initiated by the woman. You can't get married without also assuming the risk of divorce. They have mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 05:36 PM
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I was talking both about married couples and cohabitating couples. I think cohabitating couples have more sex, but it's probably linked to age, kids etc. Do you have a source for any of this? I was addressing your claim that highly undesirable men might be unhealthier. I don't think less men being more likely to get married is mutually exclusive with the least desirable men being less healthy. Being an incel certainly isn't good for your mental health.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 05:29 PM
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You can have children within a committed relationship. Having children unmarried doesn't necessarily mean being a single mom.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 05:27 PM
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If you're working that hard and still earning less than your partner maybe you should consider working less so you can do more of the housework/childcare.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 05:26 PM
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If a man says he wants custody of his kids, but he gives up and doesn’t even try… does he really care that much about it? As I said, taking a divorce to court is really bad for the kids. It is useful if you personally want to lower your own risk of divorce. If you’re so fretful about divorce, paying attention to ways to lower your risk makes sense. There are only so many college-educated women to go around.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 05:19 PM
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https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2014/02/07/parenthood-and-happiness-its-more-complicated-than-you-think/ This is not broken down by sex. I don’t know if the studies categorize people into “fuckable” and “incels” Right, that's another problem. The vast majority of men that are desirable to women do end up getting married. Leaving only the least desirable men unmarried.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 05:13 PM
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You can get separate maintenance in most jurisdictions without filing for divorce. It’s a better deal because it can last indefinitely. If you do that, chances are he's going to file for divorce. I didn’t know it was typically women asking men for marriage. The proposal is just a formality, obviously women are going to discuss marriage and choose to date men they think are suitable for marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 05:12 PM
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Married people and coupled people generally have far more sex than singles. Far more sex than celibate people? Sure. Far more sex than non-cohabitating couples, or single people that are sexually active? I doubt it. Fucking 2-3 times a day takes a lot of time and energy whatever your gender is. Many married couples have sex once a week or less. It seems the research showed that men with health issues tend to hurry into marriage and have lower divorce rates. What does that have to do with what I …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 06:17 AM
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You were appealing to tradition and human biology to justify your views: "It’s a cultural norm in almost all cultures globally, throughout most of history. It is in our nature to want to form deep connections with people outside of our immediate family." But your conception of "traditional" human life, and "human nature", is very narrow.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 06:12 AM
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Source? And are they happier than non-married peers that are similarly desirable? Or are they merely happier than incels who aren't married because they get no interest from women? Because that's not a very high bar.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 06:10 AM
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Most people who get married stay married A slim majority. and lead objectively better lives compared to their non-married peers. Busting your ass to provide for an entitled wife is a "better life"?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 04:35 AM
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That's the problem with your assessment. Humans, and hominins broadly, have existed for far, far, longer than 3000 years. Sedentary agricultural societies are an anomaly.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 04:33 AM
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They tend to make more money once they are married. Is busting your ass to provide supposed to be a good thing? There are plenty of higher echelon jobs where marriage is makes a huge difference Such as? Do you have any evidence? You can get spousal support before a divorce petition is filed. Where? After that, marry someone who earn around what you earn. Most women choose men that earn significantly more than them.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 04:33 AM
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Most cheaters try not to get caught.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 04:11 AM
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What are other ways to have kids that have two parents? In many developed, western, countries, it's not uncommon for children to be born to unmarried couples. I as a man would be happy to have more children with a woman with whom we agree on 50/50 custody from day one and no CS. Neither of those things would be enforceable even if you put it in a prenup. Nothing related to children is.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 04:08 AM
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It's very foolish to believe that women will be as altruistic as yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 04:07 AM
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That doesn't mean the surge in bonding hormones that occurred earlier on in their relationship hasn't subsided. Nowhere in my post did I say that happy, lasting, marriages are impossible. Just that the odds aren't in our favor anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 04:05 AM
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I don't have anything against cat ladies and it's kind of cringy when guys complain about them. Unless those cat ladies are like the female version of MGTOW where the lifestyle goes hand in hand with trashing the opposite sex. Then they're fair game.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 04:03 AM
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People here are talking about getting bored with your partner not putting enough efforts, i.e. there were no date nights that they initiated for months or years Have you ever considered that maybe it's because married men are busting their ass to provide for their families?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 04:02 AM
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Don't be wuss and demand Equal financial contributions People aren't all spoiled children, they can't get what you want just by demanding it. If women don't want to go 50/50 finances in serious relationships(and by and large they don't) then men who insist on 50/50 have few or no options. Hence, avoiding marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 04:00 AM
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Being educated doesn't necessarily mean you earn more. In universities and colleges, men tend to dominate the majors with the best career outlooks, and women tend to dominate the majors with the worst. Men also dominate skilled trades, military/police, and other risky jobs. All of which pay well despite not requiring much education.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 03:59 AM
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Or, men could start caring about women’s careers and stop expecting them to take on most of the childcare and household responsibilities. Did you even read my post? Even in childless couples men significantly outearn women. Women by and large select men that earn more than them, and expect them to be the primary breadwinners. To also demand they do an equal share of housework and childcare is ridiculous. The only thing that irks me is how many men say “I can’t fuck your career,” only consider lo…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 03:57 AM
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It’s a cultural norm in almost all cultures globally, throughout most of history. Throughout most of history(written record) in sedentary society yes. But this is an anomaly. For the vast majority of their existence, hominins lived as hunter-gatherers with no writing systems. Men from hunter gatherer cultures are significantly less monogamous and less involved with childrearing.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 03:53 AM
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Yeah but like…how are all the successful dudes so stupid then as to get married Street smarts vs. book smarts. People like to ignore statistics, the women here are a great example of that. No one gets married thinking that it will end in divorce. That's why prenups are so rare. And when people get married they see their partner as they are right now, young, attractive, pleasant, and in love. They don't foresee the annoying, cold, hag that she will in all likelihood become.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 03:52 AM
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And yet married men are the happiest Chicken/egg Also, source? healthiest Chicken/egg wealthiest Chicken/egg Also, they're expected to bust their ass to provide for their families. In what world is having money supposed to be good for me if I have no time to spend and enjoy it? And "their" wealth doesn't even belong to them entirely.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 03:50 AM
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Even if women merely filtered out men that earned significantly less, the result would still be that men would significantly outearn women in relationships. Because many if not most women would end up with men that earn significantly more.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 03:47 AM
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mechanics and plumbers make bank tbh. those kinds of attitudes are just female snobbery and elitism at its finest.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 03:46 AM
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All of these problems would be solved if men started valuing the professional accomplishments of women and embracing truly shared parenting and partnership in the relationship. Women by and large want to settle down with men that earn more than them and expect men to be the primary or sole breadwinner, so they can take time off work to raise the children, at least when they're young. But instead we hear all the time about how men don’t want women with actual careers and don’t care about women’s …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 03:45 AM
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They don’t always decline. Pretty sure they do, it's science. It's less severe in some couples maybe. I think it’s more that younger generations jump ship instead of actually working on their relationships. Right, and judging by research on women losing interest, and women initiating divorces, I'd hazard a guess that it tends to be primarily women jumping ship. All the more reason for men to avoid marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 03:38 AM
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I said "just under half". 40% is still nothing to scoff at.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 03:37 AM
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It's expected that sex frequency will drop with time It drops like a rock for women. few people can afford having time or energy to keep fucking like teens or rabbits. Sex doesn't have to take that much time, or even energy if you're a woman. I know you're going to say that they do it because they know they'll lose, but there won't be any changes as long as men deem that fighting for the time with their kids isn't worth it for them. It's easy for you to say that men should fight for it when you'…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 03:36 AM
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Good for them for choosing to leave an unfulfilling relationship. Why do you expect men to stay in relationships that they aren't happy in? If women are so easily end up dissatisfied and men have so much to lose from divorce, then that proves my point exactly. Marriage isn't worth it for us anymore. Don't be boring then. This is as compelling as telling a poor person to stop being poor. When men get married, and especially when they have kids, they are expected to earn more money to support thei…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 12:14 AM
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Your marriage is an outlier 🤷‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 12:13 AM
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Of course, there is "love". But what people call "love" is just a bunch of bonding hormones that will inevitably decline with time.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/23 11:57 PM
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least delusional foid
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/23 11:55 PM
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Have you ever hurt anyone close to you? Does that mean you didn't love them?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/23 11:55 PM
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But it is not my job to police how other people run their marriages. So you wouldn't care if a husband earned little/no income and did nothing around the house?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/23 11:54 PM
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You're not entitled to commitment. If you're failing to secure the commitment you want then you're failing.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/23 11:53 PM
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If that was really the case then there would not be a shit ton of women complaining about men being fuckboys that won't commit.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/23 11:44 PM
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If men are failing, then women have flunked out.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/23 11:42 PM
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And frankly, if you cheat then you don’t really love her What makes you think that?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/23 11:40 PM
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This was over 40 years ago. Who cares about that? We're talking about the here and now. Despite the difficulties she still found a guy to shack up with(a guy she liked at that), which meant a roof over her head and food on her table. If a boy was in her situation would he have that option?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/23 11:39 PM
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You're a sucker if you want your wife to be a SAHM. Raising children isn't even close to the burden of a full time job(realistically a sole provider would probably have to work more than 40 hrs a week to provide). There are plenty of things keeping them occupied without you needing to hover over them(school, TV, video games, playing outside with friends) and by the time they reach fifth grade or so they can be left home alone. And what happens if, say, the last leaves the nest by the time you're…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/23 11:23 PM
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None of those spaces are suitable for boys like Boy Scouts are.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/23 12:47 AM
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Link?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/23 12:23 AM
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"Evil" is a bit hyperbolic, but they have the power to ruin your life. Many will, women initiate the vast majority of divorces. Women tend to get bored of their partners in relationship more than men. That's enough reason to avoid marriage if you're a man. Keep some spice in your relationship There's no way to do that if your wife is bored of you and never interested in sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/23 12:18 AM
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At least where I've lived on the coast, I see Asian guys (some who are short or pretty ugly) with cute white girls all the time. Anything is possible if you're a developer earning big bucks
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/23 12:13 AM
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"Stop being poor" is not a very compelling response. Male spaces, especially spaces for boys to learn and develop together, need to be accessible to average people and families.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/23 12:02 AM
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Apart from the strip club/muscle car show these are all upper class activities. Something like the boy scouts is much more accessible to people of all means.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/23 11:09 PM
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Reported for transphobia 💅
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/23 11:07 PM
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Have to use birth control with a long list of side effects "because condoms dont feel as good to guys". Most women will have some negative affects of birth control. There are benefits of hormonal birth control as well, such as controlling acne. Sometimes it's prescribed solely for this purpose. Most men can orgasm every time but women often cant. This is simply due to anatomical differences, it's harder for women to orgasm from PIV sex. The rest of your reasons all have to do with pregnancy/chil…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 06:37 PM
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It usually accounts for things like who has primary custody(this is on top of child support that would be owed), and the future earning potential of the spouses, both of which favor women. https://www.divorcenet.com/states/new_york/nyfaq04 https://www.sterlinglawyers.com/illinois/property-division/splitting-assets-divorce/#:~:text=Illinois%20is%20an%20%E2%80%9Cequitable%20distribution,current%20situation%20and%20future%20needs. https://www.kaypolkfamilylaw.com/blog/2020/december/is-texas-a-50-50…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 06:22 PM
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You have to divide up property that you shared with your spouse, but that's just because it was never fully yours to begin with. Men usually contribute far more to family wealth, and most states have "equitable" asset division laws that favor women.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 06:04 PM
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just be aware that she's not tricking you. Makeup is a genuine skill This is not mutually exclusive with makeup being deceitful. that means she's mastered an arcane art and should be awed. It's not your place to tell men what they should admire.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 04:16 PM
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I'm guessing this contributes to the stereotype of middle eastern migrants being sexually predatory. But hey, if it gets him results, good for him. Fuck the haters.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 04:14 PM
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And he would not have been her boyfriend if she had not chosen him. At the very least there is causal responsibility on her part.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 07:56 AM
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You define "power" very differently than most people do.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 07:40 AM
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You're mixing up cause and effect. Young women are getting so much male attention because the majority of young men struggle, if not fail, at attracting women. So there are plenty of single and involuntarily celibate men out there looking to change that. Why do so many men struggle? Because women are very selective and are primarily interested in the most desirable men.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 07:38 AM
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Most women have plenty of options for relationships, they just don't think those options are good enough for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 05:35 AM
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I don't think that is mutually exclusive with power. Great kings and emperors often met their end at the tip of an assassin's dagger, due to the fact that they possessed what others coveted the most.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 05:31 AM
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Men need to stop pretending them getting a date is actually a display of feminine soft power because they spend a few bucks on coffee or bought dinner. Dinner at most sit-down restaurants is pretty expensive these days, especially with drinks. You trying to pay for sex is not soft power. Women being able to leverage this for self-gain is soft power on their part.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 05:30 AM
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But you can use male thirst to your own advantage.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 09:00 PM
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Sexuality is a tool often used to control women and place them in a restricted sphere. How does this happen in developed, western, countries today?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 08:59 PM
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I get paid way more with my job Do you earn more than most women? Surely he’d catch on and stop paying me For some guys it takes quite a while for that to happen. Can you explain how to use this supposed power for anything actually useful? I find free stuff and favors to be pretty useful.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 08:59 PM
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No one but you is trying to point fingers here.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 08:57 PM
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Even mediocre and ugly women get plenty of male attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 05:40 AM
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Women are attracted to older men because resources. They're attracted to their money for sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 05:22 PM
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I wonder if it's because asian cultures value education and status a lot more, than westerners No, it's because asians women LOVE white guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/23 03:13 PM
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What's the problem with that?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/23 03:03 PM
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Like I said..... And? What about what I said do you take issue with? As I said, neither is consensual, the only difference is that the age disparity feels "icky". If a kid does it it won't be seen as a big deal because of their immaturity but I fail to see how one is a greater infringement on bodily autonomy for the person being touched than the other. And no one here said anything about 13 year olds being "women" except for you. You're literally just pulling shit out of your ass. Over the age o…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/23 02:32 AM
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That's definitely a lot more invasive.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/23 02:13 AM
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One may be more "icky" because of the age gap but frankly neither is consensual, strictly speaking. And who said anything about specific ages? She didn't, and neither did I. She simply claimed that every single girl she knew experienced some kind of nonconsensual sexual touching or sexual activity, without specifying the age it happened or the age of the person who did it to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/23 02:13 AM
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I think you're making groping seem like a bigger deal than it is, it's literally just touching. I went to an all boys school and we used to touch each other's butts as a joke 🤷‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/23 01:33 AM
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It took a little time to fully understand that a woman needs to be reasonably assured of her safety to go on a date, be alone with me, or have sex with me Apparently not if you're attractive.... Other than that I have the common gripe of the halo/horns effect where attractive men are given the benefit of the doubt and unattractive men are assumed to be dangerous.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 11:51 PM
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There's a large number of guys casually raping, abusing, and assaulting women like its an everyday thing. How would you know this?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 11:43 PM
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People risk serious injury and even death trying to avoid being raped! Not in the vast majority of cases. I've even read(from feminist literature, mind you) that many/most rapes don't even involve significant physical resistance. After rape you're never the same. And how would you know this?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 08:37 PM
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local game store mixed gender groups lol good one
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 08:36 PM
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Their education systems sort kids into academic and vocational streams in their teens based on achievement, and the vocational kids don't get to go four year universities. You're comparing apples and oranges.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 08:34 PM
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Do you think being seriously injured in a violent physical assault isn't traumatic?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 08:32 PM
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"I'm pretty sure you've posted this hot take multiple times, sometimes more than once in a single day." Go ahead.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 08:31 PM
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I would rather wear a cast for 6 weeks than get pregnant with a rapist's baby or catch whatever disease he may be carrying. Sexual intercourse will not result in pregnancy or STD transmission the vast majority of the time. And abortion is still generally available, even in American states that have banned it I'm pretty sure most don't have laws criminalizing travelling for abortions. Rape victims go through additional trauma. What was she wearing? What was she drinking? I have literally never se…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 08:28 PM
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That was a typo, I edited the original comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 08:22 PM
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Not shopping for herself and watching movies all day she has to buy... Did I say that? Why are you so defensive?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 08:21 PM
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If you're talking about anal rape that is arguably worse because it's more painful and more likely to cause injury regardless of your sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 08:21 PM
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It's really dumb of you to try to keep up the charade when literally anyone can peek at my comment history and see that's not the case lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 07:18 PM
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I'm talking about violent assaults that result in that kind of injury.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 07:17 PM
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I'm talking about being violently attacked and having your broken by someone else, or some kind of injury comparable in severity to that.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 07:15 PM
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Most rapists don't offer you the choice. Being coerced under threat of physical injury is like, textbook rape. It's also not uncommon for people to be physically assaulted in the process of the rape or to get the victim to comply. Sure, but it's far from ubiquitous. I'm talking about rape in of itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 07:13 PM
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Less bad than having your arm broken in a violent attack, yeah.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 07:13 PM
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I'm very sure you're bullshiting lmao. I'm barely even active here.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 07:12 PM
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Last part is highly doubtful since a SAHM spends far more time at home than a breadwinning man.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 07:08 PM
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and an ability for one income household Most people can still have a one income household if they lower their expectations for standards of living and move out of an expensive metropolis. The stereotypical white, "middle-class", American family of the 1950s-1970s: Lived in a small bungalow, with kids often sharing rooms Had one car Rarely ate out or ordered takeout Rarely went on vacations, much less outside the country Only got to enjoy retirement for a few years before passing away And this wa…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 07:05 PM
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There is little to no overlap between men who complain about female hypergamy and men with harems lmao.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 06:59 PM
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There aren't support groups for people getting their arm broken. Probably because that's less common than rape, and the victims of are more likely to be men who are more resilient.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 06:54 PM
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Possibly flaming hot take but I think there are many violent/physical crimes worse than rape. If say, you had to choose between having sex with someone they don't want to, or having your arm broken, I think the vast majority would bite the bullet and choose the sex(rape). To me, that seems like a relatively straightforward test to gauge the relative severity of various crimes. But when it comes to criminal justice, most people seem to think rape as being second only to murder in terms of severit…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 06:38 PM
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In the context I described, it's infantilizing.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 12:32 PM
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Trying to dismiss this as a non-gendered issue considering the fact that women initiate most divorces, and are more likely to report reduced sexual desire for their partner as relationships progress.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 07:23 AM
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How many minor children are the sole/primary earner in their households? I think the biggest reason dead bedrooms happen, and I've heard this from a lot of women I'm not inclined to reject OP's hypothesis based on an acceptance women's words at face value, that's naive. Admitting that there wasn't much attraction to begin with and she married him primarily for money/stability is a REALLY bad look.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 07:18 AM
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Being called "cute" in that sense, like you're a puppy or a baby, must be so insulting.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 02:44 AM
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Women seem to prefer aerobic exercises over strength training, but if they're doing fitness for aesthetic reasons(let's be honest most people are) it's pretty misguided. Strength training is the best way to avoid fat gain because having skeletal muscle increases your metabolism. It requires a significant amount of energy to simply maintain, even without active usage.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/23 04:16 AM
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As far as aesthetics and avoiding fat gain is concerned, strength training is far better than aerobics. If you do aerobic exercises you might expend energy while you're moving around, but it's temporary. Whereas building muscle results in lasting increases to your body's metabolism, since skeletal muscle requires a lot of energy to simply maintain, even if you're not actively using them. It's much harder to get fat once you get jacked. That's why bodybuilders need to eat massive amounts of food …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/23 04:13 AM
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One of the best ways to stay slim is to build muscle, because simply having muscle increases your energy expenditure.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/23 04:04 AM
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If a women is struggling to get a quality boyfriend Yeah that's the problem. Any woman who has trouble finding guys willing to commit is probably batting out of her league, and she should lower her standards if she wants an actual relationship. The fact that you included the word "quality" is very telling. There are tons of women that have issues like being ugly, boring, neurotic, unpleasant, broke, fat, etc. There aren't enough "quality" men to for all women, and those men will generally pick "…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 08:31 AM
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He is more on the introverted side, and not very charismatic, i was PLENTY off times with him at the club. In maybe 25 out goings i have seen a women approach him aggresively 1 time. Reading between the lines here, it seems you're implying that he doesn't ask women out. For the vast majority of men, unless you're a celebrity or something, this is the baseline. Even gigachad usually makes the first move.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/23 09:59 AM
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I don't think young women these days expect men to be super manly, but certain overtly feminine things like wearing skirts or painting your nails would definitely be off-putting to the vast majority them. And you can't negotiate that.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/23 10:33 PM
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You can't negotiate attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/23 08:40 PM
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She's not yours it's just your turn.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/23 08:34 PM
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Why would you want to date someone you consider a liar Women lying about their sexual history doesn't really upset me. Why would you want to date someone you consider a liar, you think will only use you for money Only if you're ugly lol. The better looking you are the better they treat you. you believe has been a "cumdump" for someone else Yeah chances are they have been. So what? you think will cheat on you Not unlikely, if it happens you move on with your life. Of course marriage makes that ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/23 06:25 PM
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"Life is hard for women, and it's not their fault. Just sexism and biology. Women face much greater risks from pregnancy than men, and every sexual encounter is a potential sexual assault. This is why women need to be selective. Conversely, men have the social privilege to not worry about getting raped or becoming pregnant, which is why they feel more free to seek out sex." If this was the case then women would be selecting for the nicest, least threatening, most agreeable men. But they aren't l…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/23 06:13 PM
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Who knows, she might be a virgin too And I might win the powerball lottery if I go out and buy a ticket right now.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 08:50 PM
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Why are you even bringing this up to a woman unless she asked? This post is about if they ask. And many women do.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 08:50 PM
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and doesn't tell you anything about them It tells you something about their sociosexuality.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 08:49 PM
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I mean, outside of college/high school how would people have any way of knowing your sexual history? The stakes are not that high here in the unlikely event that you get caught. Worst case scenario she flips out and dumps you over something incredibly inconsequential, and you dodge a bullet. It's wrong Very few people think lying is always wrong, there is such a thing as a "white lie". If you do, then you might be on the spectrum.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 08:47 PM
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Lying won't make you any better at sex or relationships. Lying may help a guy get his foot in the door, and from there naturally he will improve. Women who are worried about your skill OP is talking about women who filter inexperienced men immediately because they admit to it. And quite frankly, why do you care about dating women who judge you this way? Most women do. And quite frankly, why do you care about dating women who judge you this way? Most guys have some sexual experience by their earl…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 08:44 PM
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As long as we're okay with a woman also lying about her past 🤷🏿 This but unironically. Obsessing over n-count is cope. Guys should never expect women to be honest about their sexual past and assume the worst.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 08:42 PM
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Tell that to the women here lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 08:41 PM
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This but unironically. Many lies are relatively harmless, thinking that you need to tell the truth 100% of the time is a symptom of autism. And once you have some experience you would no longer need to lie.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 08:40 PM
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At a certain age, being a virgin or having little to no experience with women (dating sex, friends etc) becomes a unnatractive mark on a mans name if it comes up. You don't need to tell them the truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 08:39 PM
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I think narcissism has been rated as attractive in women too, by men, as it correlates with physical attractiveness and confidence. Source? And is it BECAUSE they are narcissistic or because they are good-looking? They're not paragons of virtue that distribute themselves equitably for good behavior. One might think that considering how often women claim that guys are incels because of they're "misogynistic" or whatever, and women go for nice guys,
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 06:54 PM
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He spends a lot of time playing video games W lad
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 03:53 AM
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bruh i aint reading all that
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/23 12:39 AM
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This post isn't about me.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/23 12:11 AM
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Would she even rent a house like this with a roommate or alone? I should have said "home". I'm talking about any owned home, including condos and townhouses. And if she would rent something comparable, would that be your house or would she choose something totally different and only ends up in this house because it’s yours? I mean if she doesn't like the place she can choose not to cohabitate. This is assuming she likes the place enough..... Does she have protection from you turning around and k…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 11:41 PM
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I never said that. I'm just pointing out that contrary to your beliefs, polygyny was ubiquitous throughout human existence. You have a narrow-minded view because you're only looking at western christian societies.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 11:37 PM
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Would you like to go back to the neolithic? Early agricultural human societies were INSANELY polygynous, even more so than the hunter gatherer societies that preceded it. Or how about Rome? Roman society was monogamous but again that's just one society.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 11:31 PM
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The rise of Christianity created more incentives to keep families nuclear For the vast majority of human existence there was no such thing as "Christianity".
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 11:24 PM
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The rich guy will just get brained in his sleep if he gets too many women to cheat with him. Remember there's no criminal forensics in 735AD. What makes you think most women that have ever lived valued sexual exclusivity from their male partners as much as postchristian western women?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 11:20 PM
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If I say that women shouldn't work, and should be married and pregnant by 20yo, because that's how things were for most of human history Humans have existed for far longer than written history has, people need to keep that in mind. Women did work, just more so within the domestic sphere. In prehistoric human societies males likely would have the ones to hunt larger game while females would have leaned towards trapping smaller game and gathered. and should be married and pregnant by 20yo Yeah thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 11:17 PM
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You're leaving out face which is arguably the most important. This is common though because most people lack the adequate vocabulary to describe facial features. Some facial features women strongly prefer are: Neutral or positive canthal tilt eyes that sit deeper in the orbits Wide, square, mandible Forward grown maxilla and mandible, especially the chin part. Less buccal and chin fat Smaller and sloped forehead
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 04:07 PM
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Yeah which is why I suggested the utilities + groceries idea. But just paying utilities? Like come on that's barely anything. If this is about having a more equal status as partners and not about money then covering other expenses should be reasonable, no?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 03:57 PM
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as people usually date in their same economic class. According to what? Wealthier guys date lower-earning women all the time. if they pay to your equity then they should get equity too, they shouldn’t be a renter. Why not? Or don’t charge them rent and have them cover utilities or something. Yes the alternative I suggested was her paying for groceries and utilities. I mean utilities alone barely cost anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 03:40 PM
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I have lots of friends who were considering moving in together and deciding if they should buy a new house together This is a MASSIVE commitment and normally comes after living together a while. People need to know if they are compatible. Regardless, with the real estate market these days, young people by and large can't afford to buy homes yet. Only when they get settled down and are more financially stable. Chances are a cohabitating girlfriend would be renting elsewhere if they weren't living…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 03:25 PM
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It's called paying rent.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 03:17 PM
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Why am I helping my boyfriend build equity when I get nothing in return? You're getting a place to live? I mean you have to live somewhere....... I will pay for utilities, food, cleaning services To clarify, I'm talking about paying most/all of these expenses, not just "your half".
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 03:15 PM
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But if she was living alone in a place she bought I highly doubt that a woman who's looking to move into her boyfriend's home could afford to buy her own home. In all likelihood she would be renting if she wasn't living with him. But also if her name isn’t in the lease he could throw her out at any moment That depends on the state, in many places she would be considered an "occupant" and legally entitled to 30 days notice.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 01:56 PM
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Market rent is usually less than your mortgage payments? Are you saying as a landlord you’re always operating at a loss? No, you build equity.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 01:52 PM
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It's mutually beneficial, in this case she'd be paying significantly less compared to living with a roommate in a comparable house. If she was living there for free that's kind of just mooching.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 01:48 PM
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Market rate seems a little high for me if it's your partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 01:45 PM
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All breakups involve physical separation.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 01:45 PM
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As if homeowners don't have to pay down payments, mortgages, property taxes, and repair/maintenance costs?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 12:29 PM
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I said that they would prefer it, not that they actually can. Parents need to work and pay the bills.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 12:16 PM
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I don’t think it’s fair to ask someone to pay a mortgage I mean, it's called paying rent.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 12:08 PM
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I understand that very well, I went through a lot of effort and physical pain to get to where I am today, and I still have a ways to go. I use five different skincare products, one of which is prescription-strength tretinoin I apply every night, how many women can say the same? Actual clear skin is ideal but foundation/concealer is a damn convincing substitute if you're not willing to put in the research and effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 12:07 PM
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If she was renting the same home with a roommate she'd probably pay around 50% of the market rent(depending on who gets what bedroom I guess). That's significantly more.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 11:40 AM
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I think the same logic applies. Home ownership is so much more expensive than renting, and someone letting you live in their house or condo in exchange for rent does not entitle you to that property.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 11:39 AM
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You talk like “he’s sharing the space with her” as if it’s magnanimous, whereas in this situation the bulk of the positives go to you - you get discounts on everything while building equity. Paying 35-40% of market rent to live with your partner in a smaller home is usually far cheaper than renting your own place. He would be building equity regardless, this is just a little extra money for sharing his home. The absolute MAX should be 50% of your costs I specifically said 35-40% of market rent. …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 11:36 AM
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In my post I specified that the girlfriend wants to move in with him. I mean, in this economy with ever-increasing COL, finances are a big reason why many couples live together.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 11:30 AM
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I'm not their landlord, they are my partner, their presence is the reason why I invited them. Here, in this economy, cost of living is a big reason why many couples choose to live together. I don't know where you're from so I don't know if that's true everywhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 11:29 AM
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Do you say the same thing to your landlord? He owns the home, he paid the down payment, he's responsible for the mortgage (usually more than market rent), property taxes, maintenance costs, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 11:27 AM
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Virtually all homeowners at the very least view their homes way to build equity. Even if it doesn't appreciate, when you finish paying off the mortgage you will have a valuable asset that can be used to fund retirement and/or be passed down to your children. If you rent for life you will have nothing to show for all the money you spent on housing.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 11:24 AM
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Things change, even many marriages ultimately end in divorce. I see no reason to let your partner live in your home rent free prior to marital commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 11:22 AM
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No, I said 35-40% of market rent of the entire unit. So if market rent was 2000 for the entire unit she would pay 700-800 a month. If she was renting the place with a roommate she'd be paying like 50% of the market rent, so 1000 a month.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 11:20 AM
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But why should he be profiting off of me by charging any more than half the mortgage? I think you may have misunderstood. I never suggested this anywhere. I gave a figure of around 35-40% of market rent of the entire unit as a benchmark, and market rent is usually less than your mortgage payment for investment properties. Not to mention other costs associated with home ownership like repairs and condo fees and such. Which ultimately works out to far less than half the cost of home ownership. Mor…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 11:16 AM
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I mean, you have to live somewhere and he's sharing his home with you so......
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 11:07 AM
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You have teenage children? Too many boomers here smh my head.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 11:05 AM
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That's a very good point actually, never considered that.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 10:55 AM
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Should it be 1/2 your mortgage just because you’ve let her move in As a homeowner and a landlord, no sane landlord bases rent off of their mortgage payments. It's based on the rental market. I think you should probably charge a little less than half of the market rent because it's not just a roommate.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 10:49 AM
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That seems like the ideal arrangement to me, I'm writing this post as a young homeowner myself. Lots of people here don't seem to like the idea of the homeowner benefitting from the arrangement by earning income or having other things paid for. With rent I don't think there would be any confusion either, so long as you make it clear that it's rent and not a mortgage contribution, and base it off of market rent and not how much your mortgage payment is. Although couples might not like the idea of…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 10:47 AM
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If you're worried about someone claiming to live in your house I meant a claim to ownership.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 10:40 AM
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During that time, the house should be treated as "their house", i.e. she's not treated as a guest but joint owner. What do you mean by "treated as joint owner"? As in actually being added to the title? Doing the things you described is generally a pretty bad idea for homeowners because the other party can use that as an argument for a claim to the house.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 10:27 AM
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Sure, but he has to share the space with her.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 10:07 AM
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Check edit. Is it fair if the boiler breaks down that she pays for 1/2 of what is - essentially- an upgrade on the property you own? Home maintenance is the responsibility of the homeowner. Is it fair she pays nothing and you have to fork out all of it, while she gets to enjoy the upgrade? Yeah, it's your home. If you rent the place out to an arms-length tenant and it breaks you still have to get fixed. It's kinda dangerous too in that situation to ask her for money for home repairs in that case…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 10:06 AM
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But in this instance I'd say yes if her name is added to the paperwork on the home so she has rights to what she's helping to pay off. This is probably one of the most ridiculous things I've ever seen written here. Have you ever said that to a landlord?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 10:02 AM
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I’d say it’s definitely reasonable to except your partner to contribute towards bills for the house etc if their living with you You misunderstand, I'm talking about her covering other living expenses herself for both parties. Edited my post to make that more clear. However they should have some kind of contract if she starts paying close to 50% of all household bills, he’s now benefiting from the extra income and she’s left with nothing if they break up. I mean she has to live somewhere. If she…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 10:00 AM
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Waterproof mascara exists. Right, that's just one kind of makeup. And it can still be easily taken off with makeup remover, and usually it is every night. It's still superficial. If you got Rogaine to get your beard I don't think most men with beards use Rogaine. it's absolutely not what you "ordinarily look like" It is, it may be artificially enhanced but it's not superficial. You will look that way 24/7 so long as you keep using it. It's like a perm or dye job, it might not be "natural" or per…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 09:01 AM
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I mean just because you could change how something looks doesn't mean it's superficial. I could cut off my nose right now. that doesn't make my nose superficial. Or for a less extreme example, a perm or dye job wouldn't be superficial like makeup is, because though it isn't not permanent, it's lasting and what it's they will always look like for a period of time.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 08:36 AM
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Do you put yourself in situations where men approach (dating apps, parties, clubs, bars, etc). Are you in social circles with single men? Have you ever approached a guy? If you're expecting guys to cold approach you in public then you're living in a fantasy world. That's frowned upon a lot these days.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 08:23 AM
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https://external-preview.redd.it/YOkD5U4T5fcf097vw8z4PlPI7ytWIksArJuuWrhX5bA.png?auto=webp&s=9f3994e3fb2826721eb36b22a4be09f4db5e62f9
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 08:21 AM
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It really isn't, it's quite literally part of your body. Makeup comes with water. You will have your facial hair all the time. Do women have makeup on all the time? If they have a brain they will at the very least take it off before bed.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 08:20 AM
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I know..... Even so, no amount of "concealer, foundation, eyelash extensions" is going to magically and seamlessly transform a 4 into an 8 IRL. I was addressing this part.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 08:12 AM
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Does makeup grow out of your skin? Facial isn't superficial in the same way that makeup is. A guy's beard isn't going to fall off if he steps into the shower.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 08:10 AM
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You're not actually good looking if the only reason you look good in the moment is something as superficial and deceptive as makeup.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 08:10 AM
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Makeup goes well beyond simple grooming. It's literally covering your face with substances to deceive people about the way you actually look.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 08:08 AM
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One is very superficial and other isn't. Makeup literally comes off with water. That's arguably what makes it deceptive. If I grow a beard it's not going to fall off the moment I step into a shower. I wouldn't say that a woman who dyes her hair, gets a perm, or gets plastic surgery is being deceptive because those changes to her appearance are not superficial.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 08:06 AM
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By that argument it's also deceptive. It's not really deceptive because it's not superficial. Your beard doesn't fall out when you take a shower. When you have a beard it's what you ordinarily look like, when you have makeup on it's not what you ordinarily look like.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 08:04 AM
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Again, another woman is understating the difference that the appearance of clear skin makes.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 08:03 AM
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but realistically that's too costly in terms of time or money for anyone except actors Maybe not everyday, but women absolutely do put in the effort and get dolled up for dates, dating app photos, or when they're going out and expect to get approached. Foundation makes your skin look more even in tone and can conceal spots. Concealer can conceal dark circles and spots. You're greatly understating the importance of clear skin, or at least, the appearance of clear skin. So you just look less a spo…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 08:00 AM
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A den works as a home office just fine, and the other person can set up in the living room or something. Regardless, the point is that living with someone else is usually much cheaper than living alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 07:41 AM
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Well, men wouldn't have the same quality of life if they had to do their own housework either. Without having to subsidize a woman they could probably afford to outsource cleaning and/or cooking. And frankly most men don't care about cleanliness as much women do, the cleaning women do at home is mostly for their own satisfaction. The argument was that housework was somehow unimportant because you could survive without it, but that extra income is a luxury too, and more of one than housework gene…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 07:38 AM
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The money we make together is ours. Legally, it isn't until you get married.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 07:20 AM
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If you're moving in with a partner you'd only need a 1bd (maybe with a den) so you'd probably be able to afford a nicer place than before, unless it was rent controlled.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 07:19 AM
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If you're defining a transactional attitude as involving a literal exchange then by that logic what I described isn't transactional either. There is no exchange involved in saying "you should do more around the house because I pay more of the bills".
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 04:05 AM
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Sure it is. Transactions can involve the exchange of work and services too, not just money. Measuring and comparing what your partner does in the household is just as transactional as measuring and comparing how much money they bring in.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 03:46 AM
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Do you expect guys to rate fat chicks highly?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 03:44 AM
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Wrong
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 03:43 AM
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Ugly women might have a bit of an easier time obtaining casual sex than an average man but not a quality relationship. Well, "quality" is normative, it's different for everyone. One woman might be satisfied with a guy that looks like Jonah Hill, another woman might not be satisfied with a guy that looks like Henry Cavil. Of all the attention they get just by being on a dating app or bar/club, I seriously doubt that none of those men are interested in relationships. Most men have relationships. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 03:42 AM
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That’s a super-hard job, much harder than banking or whatever. Doubt it, literal teenagers in high school can do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 03:38 AM
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“Models are getting flown out to Dubai and have thousands of followers” This is about literal models, not your average run-of-the-mill woman. “If you’re moderately attractive you’re basically a giga Stacy” Never heard a guy say anything like this. "Moderately attractive" women will get plenty of attention from men if they simply put themselves in situations amenable to that, like being on dating apps or going to parties/bars/clubs.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 03:34 AM
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It's one thing to view someone at a humanoid ATM to be taken advantage of. Valuing and APPRECIATING someone as an individual for the sacrifices they make to provide for you is an entirely different story. That's how I feel about my parents, for instance.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 03:30 AM
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If you want to make it transactional Women are the ones who wanted to make things transactional. Why else are they bitching about how men aren't doing enough around the house? "I did this and that", "he didn't do this and that", how is that not transactional?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 03:29 AM
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It's one thing to view someone at a humanoid ATM to be taken advantage of. Valuing and APPRECIATING someone as an individual for the sacrifices they make to provide for you is an entirely different story.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 03:27 AM
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Please take your meds.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 03:19 AM
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That being said, it's a small percentage of men and women who can afford to be a primary breadwinner. According a Pew article that gets linked here a lot, more than half of married men are the "primary" or sole breadwinner, defined as earning 60% or more of the total family income.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 03:18 AM
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For people who make low/mid 5 figures, 15k a year is a LOT of money.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 03:16 AM
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Women earning less and working less paid hours is a function generally of women doing more unpaid work like child care. No, career choice is also a significant factor. Women enter lowing paying fields. If you think of child care as just "work" then I hope to god you never have kids. Most parents, certainly all GOOD parents, would much rather be spending time with their kids than at work. Therefore we will value child care highly I really don't, a teenager could do it, and they do it all the time…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 03:12 AM
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It is true that most of life costs money, but as we know from research, once you clear a certain amount of earning, anything past that threshold doesn't generally make anyone happier. That extra money men earn is largely irrelevant in terms of the joy it brings. Well, I don't know what planet you're living on, but on earth the vast majority of people aren't anywhere near this "threshold". Not even in the US, one of the richest countries in the world. Also does that research control for work-life…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 03:01 AM
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So I don't want anymore complaining about single lonelymen not being able find women. Never did. Don't know what you're talking about. It gets easier for most men to find a partner when they're older and have more money. But being a betabux is arguably worse than being an incel. Ah so women are supposed to have kids because society. Please point out where I said this. But also women should be punished for working less hours "Punished"? In what world is division of labor a "punishment"?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 12:56 AM
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How do you figure that? I've never said anything about how I define those terms. You're just shifting the goalposts.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 12:53 AM
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If you really want to see everything as transactional in a marriage Women started this by bitching about men not helping out enough around the house. We're just playing the same game you've been playing. would you pay your wife for each pregnancy, and for each hour she nurses a baby of you? That falls under childcare, yeah. But that stage of childrearing only lasts a 2-3 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 12:52 AM
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Teammates pick up the slack when they need to I understand that things change, but it seems that by and large men are the ones usually "picking up the slack" so to speak.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 12:51 AM
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So by your definition any amount outearned makes someone a breadwinner? Any amount that people consider significant yeah. Like if you currently make 45k and got a raise to 60k most people would consider that a massive pay raise. But when you see that kind of disparity in couples all you women are saying shit like "it's barely a difference" or "they're still the same class".
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 12:50 AM
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I never said that, don't put words in my mouth. As far as I'm concerned women can settle down or not settle down with whoever they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 12:49 AM
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Not in my experience. Have you never seen a progressive claim that "most Americans wanted Hillary/Gore" because they won the popular vote? Merriam-webster definition of "most": "the majority of" 52% is a majority. And I said, they are defining "egalitarian" broadly. I think they are also including people who are temporarily unemployed but looking to rejoin the workforce.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 12:47 AM
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Your claims and figures aren't supported by this article at all. The table comparing male and female earnings is for ALL workers.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 12:44 AM
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I never said any of that. Don't put words in my mouth.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 12:42 AM
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The data I mentioned is census data for cohabitating/married people. Ok, can you link it? The post you are referencing says “high income” households, putting men at 110k and women at 80k. That's literally just one tiny part of the post, you didn't even read the whole thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 09:34 PM
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Lesbians aren't having kids to even remotely the extent of a union between a man and a woman Most gay male couples don't have kids either, and childless straight couples are similarly likely to get divorced. nor are there a million other barriers such as religion , social backlash , fear/abuse that women have to face in a lesbian relationship Those factors prevent people from engaging in a lesbian lifestyle, but I doubt lesbian couples would get divorced due to those factors. They've already gon…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 09:33 PM
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Women: or i could just be single? Be my guest. Women by and large won't because they know they can enjoy a better material lifestyle by settling down with men that earn more than them, while they get to do easier and more desirable tasks like cooking or spending time with the kids. We're both working 40 hours a week and we're both earning money Most married women, especially ones with kids, work fewer hours than that.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 09:26 PM
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Ok, good for you. If you're happy with this then it's your life. But I think a high earning woman would be equally entitled to expect a lower earning partner(if they will even entertain that) to do more housework.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 09:25 PM
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This is globally, I'm talking about in the US. Female workforce participation is lower in developing countries. And it doesn't even say how many men do absolutely nothing around the household. Are you illiterate or something?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 09:23 PM
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Normally people, or at least women, simply do not settle down with people that make way less than them.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 09:22 PM
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Probably at government sponsored daycare school.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 09:21 PM
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Do you have a source?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 09:20 PM
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The female earning 35k and the male earning 45k. Is that for only cohabitating/married people, or all people? Sure, broke guys exist. Women by and large don't settle down with them. This post from a few weeks back analyzes earnings disparities in childless cohabitating/married couples.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 09:20 PM
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I don’t appreciate a male breadwinner because I am the breadwinner. Ok, then this post isn't for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 09:18 PM
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How many husbands and boyfriends do literally no housework or childcare?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 09:18 PM
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The most basic adult responsibility is earning money. Everything other than that is secondary. If you're living in a dirty house and eating mostly frozen food/takeout you're still getting by. Without enough income you can't live independently.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 09:17 PM
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Google definition: "a person who earns money to support a family." Merriam-Webster definition: "a member of a family whose wages supply the family's principal or only means of support"
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 09:16 PM
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but it is difficult to quantify the value of household chores. It really isn't. You can usually hire someone to do it for less than 15 dollars an hour, and they'll probably do a faster and better job. If you think out-earning your SO by 10-15k That would be the average disparity for childless couples, but the mean incomes for men and women in those couples are around mid 50ks and high 30ks respectively according to this post so it's a big difference. For couples with children it's far greater th…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 09:11 PM
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29% of marriages were elegatarian They defined "egalitarian" pretty broadly, anything less than a 60/40 split was considered "egalitarian". Most men aren’t providers Going by the figures you provided 52% of men are either the "sole" or the "primary" breadwinner.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 09:10 PM
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And men wonder why the divorce rate is 50 percent and we are the ones filing for divorce 70 percent of the time. Even when women get married to other women they're very likely to get divorced. Whereas gay male divorce rates are far lower. There is a common denominator here and it's not men. Making a average 5 to 8k more a year In married and cohabitating couples, even childless ones, the typical disparity is far greater than that. To draw a parallel, if a man works for 12 hours a day at a wareho…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 09:06 PM
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So in a family of 4 in that time you clean the home (that’s 2+ hours) 2 hours a day cleaning? That's ridiculous. laundry for 4 people (including ironing/putting clothes away) Once, maybe twice, a week. Most people have more than 7 sets of clothes. And most people don't iron anymore. cook 11 portions of food (+/- prep snacks) Hot breakfasts and lunches are not common in western countries. And as someone who has primarily cooked for his household since he was 13, there is usually not that much ext…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 09:03 PM
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Yes, or at least it's reasonable for men to expect it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 08:55 PM
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This is just a question of semantics. Most people and academics would describe a partner who earns significantly more than the other partner as a "primary breadwinner", and what you described would be a "sole breadwinner".
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 08:55 PM
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It absolutely matters what you earn. It's easy to say that when you have enough money, try getting by without. As I said, money makes the world go round.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 08:54 PM
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Married and cohabitating women earn significantly less than their male partners, even in childless households.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 08:53 PM
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Most women have jobs and would survive just fine without a man contributing financially. It's not hard to "survive" today, virtually no one starves in developed western countries by thanks to social welfare and parents. But they wouldn't be enjoying the same quality of life they currently have, not even close. For example, you wouldn't expect a manual worker who works all week to do more housework than their white collar spouse who works less hours for more pay, would you? I think people are gen…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 08:51 PM
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Because the men who are being called children are the ones who don't. If you had actually read the post, you would know that I'm talking about women calling their primary breadwinner husbands/boyfriends children because they think they don't help out enough around the house. No, making more money It's not about making more money per se, it's about contributing more money. If she wants to split housework 50/50 then why not also split finances 50/50. Equality only when it suits women?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 08:45 PM
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In most married and cohabitating couples men are the primary breadwinners.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 08:43 PM
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Only if you homeschool your kids. There's only so much you can clean a home.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 08:42 PM
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Most of those households have some wage disparity. On average men still earn more than women (by about $10k) In married and cohabitating households, even ones without children, the disparity is far greater. Women overwhelmingly choose to settle down with higher earning men.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 08:41 PM
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If both parents are working full time "Full-time" can mean as little as 30 hours a week. Men still spend more time at work than women do. they're contributing to the household income too, just because they're making less on average doesn't mean their contribution is somehow less valued. If they're earning and paying less then they are absolutely contributing less. You wouldn't argue that someone who spends an hour cleaning one room contributes the same as someone who spends an hour cleaning the …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 08:39 PM
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This is an incredibly poor comparison because children aren't capable of working or taking care of a household. By and large men and can and do, so why are they being compared to children then? Women just don't think "the man earns more" is automatically an excuse for them to be a maid, chef, and nanny. Maybe not if expenses are split roughly 50/50 and he pockets the rest for himself. But this usually isn't the case. Is it not fair to pitch in more elsewhere if your partner is the primary breadw…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 08:28 PM
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Honestly you're a chump if you agree to be the sole breadwinner unless you guys are going to have a lot of kids. Once they're in school(and they start early these days, most kids go to preschool) SAHMs barely have to do anything and have so much free time.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 08:21 PM
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Humans regularly died of easily preventable diseases for the vast majority of their existence. Not because they lived outside. Primarily due to violent injuries and age-related causes for most of human existence.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 07:47 PM
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sit under a tree or a building...... protection from the elements is not synonymous with a home.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 07:46 PM
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Why not? All positive rights ultimately imply entitlement.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 07:45 PM
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I am a landlord 🗿
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 07:44 PM
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Most of the factors you mentioned apply in the inverse with highly attractive men and fat/ugly women. Would they also be justified in "mistrusting" these women due to lust and unreciprocated sexual attraction? Staggering disrespect and disregard for women. Judging by the vile things women openly and proudly say about us, you seem to have even less respect and regard for the opposite sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 06:37 PM
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Bullshit, humans lived outdoors for the vast majority of their existence and most people today spend a significant amount of time outdoors.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 06:29 PM
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No, not necessarily. You left the "in case the need arises" part. In southern California for instance you don't really need any protection the elements apart from maybe a coat because the climate is so mild. And even in places with harsher climates like Canada there are always warming centers open on cold days for the homeless.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 06:27 PM
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Yeah and with dumpster diving there is a very high risk of pathogens.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 06:23 PM
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Is housing really a "need"? Like. it's very unlikely that you will die from being homeless, so long as you have adequate protection from the elements in case the need arises.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 06:00 PM
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Most positive rights that progressives love to champion ultimately require work from others. If you are entitled to food then someone has to grow/raise that food, if you are entitled to housing then someone has to build those homes, if you are entitled to healthcare then someone has to provide healthcare to you, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 05:57 PM
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There’s an abundance of single older men who are looking to date younger women. No, there aren't. The vast majority of single older men are married, cohabitating, or divorced with children. I think it’s more prominent in white people. The science doesn't agree. Men tend to have thicker skin that produces more sebum than women, regardless of ethnicity. Not to mention that men's wrinkles may not be visible if they have facial hair. or the women tend to fair better than the males since women make m…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 10:46 AM
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I disagree that many could because the attraction often isn’t reciprocated by young women. I'm not sure how you could know that when most older guys taken and aren't actively trying to get with young women. Also disagree that men (as a gender) age better than women do but I realize that when we talk about appearance with age on this sub, we’re often talking in regards to European beauty standards and people of European decent I don't think it's exclusive to white people. Men generally are less p…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 08:39 AM
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but she does walk and looks fit and isn't fat by any chance,she just doesn't have functional strength. Why do you care then? Presumably she's attractive and healthy, is it really that important to you that she's strong?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 06:07 AM
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The majority of older guys are married or cohabitating, and have neither the opportunity nor the incentive to maintain their appearance and pursue younger women. If they weren't already settled down, I think many could and would. Men age far better than women do, the biggest hurdle is balding which is relatively easily treated with minoxidil and/or finasteride.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 06:01 AM
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Guys start settling down and betabuxxing when they get older TBH, I don't think women actually start finding them more attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/23 11:28 PM
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You're assuming that they date women their own age and not younger women. Granted, not all older guys can but there are certainly ones out there who took care of themselves, have the right genetics, and/or got cosmetic procedures to make them look more youthful.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/23 11:26 PM
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Yeah but women are also fat, American women are arguably even more obese than American men when measured by things like waist circumference or body fat directly.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/23 11:24 PM
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Obviously easier......
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/23 11:23 PM
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Yeah and guys can usually get away with talking shit about women in a casual women, like calling women sluts or bitches for instance. At least if you're good looking enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/23 11:22 PM
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I don't think sexism hurts men's dating success as long as it's it's not the bitter/angry type associated with incels or the weird autistic traditionalist type associated with some other parts of the manosphere.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/23 07:33 PM
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Is it easy or hard for women to get relationships compared to men? I already answered your question.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/23 07:16 PM
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I seriously doubt that blue collar dudes are less sexist than STEM guys. Attributing lack of sexual and romantic success to "sexism" is a dumb cop out. Plenty of sexist guys do fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/23 07:03 PM
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Yes, hence the distinction versus "explicit prostitution". The "sugar coating" makes it a lot easier for girls to swallow. Figuratively and literally 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/23 06:48 PM
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Most men have trouble identifying when a woman is wearing makeup, and mistake light/natural makeup as "no makeup".
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/23 06:45 PM
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Explicit prostitution is a lot more shameful than being a sugar baby. With the latter at least the dates and gifts at least create the illusion of a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/23 06:45 PM
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That's actually a lot better than other dating apps if true, can you link the statistic? I've heard a some people say that hinge is better for guys because the girls there are looking for relationships, this would seem to validate it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/23 06:37 PM
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I never said that straight men don't want to date women.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/23 06:35 PM
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You probably overestimate their beauty because they're wearing makeup.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/23 06:34 PM
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I’m a graduate student so I wasn’t eligible to attend the event apparently but there were so many guys with out with their baddie-type girlfriends. Some of these guys weren’t anything special appearance wise though most had rizz or style if you will. (I am Gen z/ under 25). Makeup go brrrrr
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/23 06:22 PM
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Well the vast majority still do and no one's holding a gun to your head. They don't want to lose their betabucks lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/23 06:22 PM
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Maybe if you only count the ones that pass, I mean they really want to look feminine so a lot decide to just go all the way with plastic surgeries.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/23 06:21 PM
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I think it would be difficult to curb your sex drive without feminizing you. Not to mention that most men are not very insightful and the thought of curbing their sex drive is repulsive to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/23 06:20 PM
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I definitely agree, it's unfortunate that the only way to do that currently is castration(surgical or chemical) which also feminizes you. I'd never do that to myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/23 06:19 PM
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Gay marriages last much longer The fact that lesbian couples and heterosexual couples are far more likely to get divorced than gay male couples shows us what the problem really is. There's a common denominator here, and it's not men.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/23 06:18 PM
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Honestly it's clear as day to me that the girls who do sugar dating are cunning and resourceful people who know how to get what they want. It's hilarious when older women try to portray them as naïve victims.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/23 06:14 PM
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I didn't that and I don't think that, but it's definitely relatively harder for them compared to casual sex. Relationships don't necessarily involve serious commitment, just sexual exclusivity for the duration for the duration of it. Because it's pretty easy to end any non-cohabitating relationship if you're no longer satisfied.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/23 06:10 PM
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yet they go for the extra skinny girls with eating disorders Most guys don't like genuine skin and bones. Your perception of "extra skinny" is probably skewed because most people are fat. Someone who is in the lowest 5% or even lowest 2% of BMI can still be considered within the "normal" range or barely "underweight", which is still above the threshold for an anorexia diagnosis(< 17.0 BMI). the gym obsessed girls who compete and cut down to unhealthy fat percentage levels A lot of female athlete…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/23 06:00 PM
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This study was performed in China where there is far greater preference for thinness than in western countries. Also, if they're using the traditional BMI thresholds, the emerging consensus is that it's not appropriate for East Asian populations because they tend to have more body fat, so many East Asians in the "normal" BMI category actually tend to have excess body fat("skinny fat"). Researchers are shifting towards using lower thresholds for the categories in East Asian populations.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/23 05:58 PM
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in fact, a core belief around here is complaining about how easily women get dates/sex. Casual sex is the easiest, relationships are a somewhat less easy, marriage is the hardest. The more commitment is involved the more selective men are and the harder it is for women to bat out of the league. The point is, women need to understand that just because they can hook up with the highly attractive guys they lust for doesn't mean that those guys will actually want anything serious with them. Expectin…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/23 05:44 PM
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Bullshit, even ugly and average looking women get plenty of male attention. Can't say the same for men. Women are the ones who love to bat out of their league and get pissy when chad won't commit to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/23 05:35 PM
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Beauty is a value judgement Women have a very skewed perception of what an "average" looking man looks like. Makeup go brrrr
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/23 05:33 PM
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PUA in this context refers to a very specific set of strategies. Don't play dumb.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 09:48 PM
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https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/mobile/000/031/003/cover3.jpg
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 09:42 PM
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_profiling
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 09:25 PM
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russians are asiatic half breeds ukrainians are pure slavs 🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 08:42 PM
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Blackpill tends to de-emphasize the importance of muscle and status.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 08:15 PM
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I don't know, different men say and do different things. Do you think men are a hivemind.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 07:35 PM
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For me, definitely. I can't speak for other guys obviously.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 07:24 PM
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The same things as women do..... Material comfort, new experiences, free time for hobbies and leisure activities, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 07:04 PM
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It's not a dichotomy between "men can't enjoy casual sex" and "men are mindless horn dogs who can sacrifice their very being on the altar of sex in an instant."
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 09:50 AM
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and at some point when the sex stops fulfilling If. Once again, the """empathetic sex""" demonstrates how little empathy they have for men's desires and preferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 08:08 AM
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I don't know, maybe because PUA is heavily censored so many men have never heard of it? And even if they have heard of it, maybe they may not want try it because it's heavily criticized for ideological reasons. Just a thought.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 08:06 AM
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Sex is far from the only thing men value.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 08:05 AM
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I see these kinds of self-contradicting comments a lot on social media. It's very confusing. Do you think men are a hivemind? Is it the same men saying these things? "I like natural women" to some women wearing makeup, but also... Men are bad at telling when a woman is wearing makeup, and often think a woman wearing light natural-looking makeup is wearing no wakeup. This leads men to greatly overestimate female beauty. "Take her swimming on the first date" to less conventionally attractive women…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 07:35 AM
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But now I see a lot of clowns with YT channels, tiktoks and podcast than have distorted the message completely. Guys like Fresh & Fit and Andrew Tate amongst others are basically telling men that they are worthless (specially Tate) unless they get into the grind, work themselves to an early grave to make a lot of money, get athlete level fit, be obnoxiously dominant, and display a lifestyle that might not be acording to their listeners values just to atract women. F&F and Tate don't really ident…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 07:26 AM
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OP didn't say "attention from any and all men". They do these things because like attention from men they find attractive, and by and large put up with the side effect that is attention from men they don't find attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/23 06:50 AM
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Because presumably the latter type of sexual relationship is more transactional. The latter is more likely to involve expectations of him spending money on her, doing favors for her, generally behaving like a "gentleman", sexual exclusivity, etc. Whereas the former is simply raw attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/23 08:56 AM
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link
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/23 08:55 AM
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When women have low standards. Manosphere: Ew! Men dont want women who have been with everyone. That’s disgusting. Whore! Standards and sluttiness aren't that closely related for women. Most women could have a new Chad in their bed every week thanks to dating apps, or even by just going out to bars/clubs. Conversely, a more chaste woman who only has sex within committed relationships could have relatively low physical standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/23 08:53 AM
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I've seen several women here and on podcasts say that.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/23 08:50 AM
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I don't prefer hyper-agreeable women but nagging is always annoying. There are ways to disagreeable other than nagging. If a male knows you won’t leave him if he doesn’t take you on dates Do you take him on dates? but they know through observation that women feel love through acts (like dates) How do women express love for their partners? Can you imagine what the reaction would be if a wife never cooked dinner and used the excuse “well he never told me he wanted me to cook dinner.” I can definit…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/23 08:47 AM
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What reality do you live in where male feminists get the most pussy? It sure as hell ain't this one.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/23 08:09 AM
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I'm not talkin about middle schoolers I'm talking about high school-mid 20s girls.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/23 02:40 AM
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Old people here really are out of touch. It's very common for zoomer girls to hype each other up like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/23 01:10 AM
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It's not God, it's natural selection.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/23 01:09 AM
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Hey, you guys always talk about high value this high value that. Who is "you guys"? I've never once used that term. Try again. When someone says high value, people tend to assume someone who is educated, has a good job, status in society, respected, etc. Once again, value is normative. What you consider a desirable partner may not be the same as what a woman considers a desirable partner. And frankly their opinion matters more than yours does.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 11:43 PM
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What makes you think its a rumor? Men have to offer something for women to be with them, if it's not raw sexual attraction then it will have to be something else, chief among those factors is money. https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/12l5b2u/male_vs_female_income_in_childless_couples/
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 11:16 PM
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How? Women are far more likely to seek a transactional relationship with someone they find less attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 11:11 PM
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No one is obligated to want anything. But if a woman is more demanding towards you compared to other guys then she probably doesn't find you as attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 10:54 PM
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Except that average men aren't getting dates either. Do you yourself think this, or are you attributing this claim to other PPD users? Either way I don't agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 10:23 PM
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Female high standards and pickiness are a myth. Women pick shitty men to fuck all the time: drug dealers, criminals, men in actual prison, abusers, wife beaters, etc. men are absolutely not overestimating their value not even close. "Shitty" is a value judgement. A man who you think is "shitty" because of his criminal nature may actually be highly sexually desirable "bad boy" to women, and/or they're just good-looking.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 10:22 PM
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Dating can be described using economics Sure. People have a "semi-objective" dating market value Sexual/romantic desirability is value judgement it's just that people tend to value similar things. Even below average women can get men any time they want while average men struggle to even get attention For casual sex they can bat way out of their league. The more commitment is involved the harder it gets.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 10:20 PM
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Bat within your league
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 10:11 PM
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Anyways, I used to get so much anxiety bc of the dumb commenters on here that no man would want me because I liked to have casual sex when I was single. Never to understood the obsession with that. You don't need to tell them that and if they ask you don't need to tell the truth. Most women don't. im loved by a guy who’s feminist (so mf hot) Cringe.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 09:50 AM
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It's only sugar dating if it's explicit. Otherwise it's just a regular ass gold-digger.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 08:06 AM
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show off your wealth. but you actually have to be wealthy. scraping together some money to take her out to a fancy restaurant won't cut it, tons of schmucks will do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 07:29 AM
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from what I’ve seen, fine partners Ehhhhh.... I think the risk is acceptable as long as you don't get in too deep with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/23 08:59 PM
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"um men are evil when they frustrate our attempts to cuckold them sweaty" If biology didn't matter then there wouldn't be a fertility industry worth tens of billions of dollars or multimillion dollar lawsuits for swapped babies. Women are simply incapable of empathizing with men when it comes to cuckolding.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/23 08:48 PM
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Never claimed to.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/23 06:33 PM
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a lot of guys here are neurodivergent Gotta love the PPD armchair psychologists.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/23 02:18 AM
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This goes for men or women who make more. Conveniently for women, they overwhelmingly choose to settle down with guys that make mor than them.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/23 02:05 AM
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Habitually sleeping in separate beds is a great litmus test for marriages going to shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/23 02:05 AM
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The secret is to dump her after you finish residency
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/23 02:03 AM
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That makes a lot of sense. I think 50/50 should be the default unless one person is doing significantly more housework, or the wealthier person wants a more lavish lifestyle that the other can't afford.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/23 02:01 AM
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If you're not at least getting sucked off by the third time you see each other, it's time to move on.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/23 02:00 AM
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FNF are complete fucking tools LOL, they simp for Tate and he ignores them completely.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/23 01:59 AM
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I don't think women find mate guarding attractive, less desirable men who have fewer options tend to mate guard more. A guy who has options and knows he's attractive is less prone to feeling insecure about "losing" his partner, and if his partner displays disloyal behavior he is more willing to simply dump her because he knows he can attract other women.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/23 01:58 AM
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Most women are not very ladylike but they demand that men act like gentlemen. As always, the is theme is "traditional gender expectations for thee but not for me"
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 10:53 PM
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tee hee
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 10:51 PM
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I'm only talking about making him wait with the explicit intention of deceiving them into thinking you're chaste.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 05:04 PM
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Fucking the second time you see him is still pretty early in my books.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 08:30 AM
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No one's talking about being impressed. The point OP was making was that: The ability and willingness to walk away means a partner has less leverage over you. Women don't want to be "settled for" because the guy didn't have other options.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 08:13 AM
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The ability to walk away is frankly necessary for a healthy relationship. When one partner thinks the other won't leave them because they have no other options, or they are economically dependent, that creates a situation ripe for abuse and toxicity. I'd bet money that you would have agreed with this sentiment if OP was talking about women, but alas, I guess some men have internalized misandry.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 08:08 AM
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Those things are not mutually exclusive with being a tradcon. Indeed, many progressives would argue that traditional conservatism is necessarily "misogynistic".
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 12:11 AM
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In any event, I don't think women are collectively trying to perpetuate a grand conspiracy on you. It's not a grand conspiracy or a plot it's just how they behave.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 12:11 AM
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If you give it up easy for some guys you're not chaste.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 12:09 AM
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This post is about women that make some guys wait and not others.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 11:09 PM
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I said "guys they like", I should have said "guys they like more". This post is regarding women that make some men wait but not others.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 10:04 PM
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Most men don't care that much about chastity or n-count, only weird tradcon guys do, and unfortunately weird tradcon guys are severely overrepresented here.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 10:03 PM
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unfortunately weird tradcon guys are severely overrepresented here
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 09:16 PM
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You say "empathize", but frankly the word you should be using is "sympathize".
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 09:15 PM
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unfortunately weird tradcon guys are severely overrepresented here. Exhibit A
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 09:03 PM
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That's actually scuffed and really unlucky for me 💀 To me and most people familiar with that name, it refers to either the WW2-era Soviet folk song or the rocket artillery system named after it, not a character in some fringe anime show.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 09:01 PM
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Most men don't try to fuck on literally the first day you meet.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 08:57 PM
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Those are extreme examples.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 08:56 PM
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🧱
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 08:48 PM
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Not until now I haven't. Are you talking about this?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 08:47 PM
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If she’s pretty enough to get a man to pay all her bills she’s pretty enough to leave him. 🧱 Just because you could do something once doesn't mean you can do something again. Luck is also a factor.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 08:44 PM
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"The song is about a Russian woman called Katyusha. Standing on a steep riverbank, she sings a song to her beloved, a soldier serving far away. The theme of the song is that the soldier will protect the Motherland and its people while his grateful girl will keep and protect their love. Its lyrics became relevant during the Second World War, when many Soviet men left their wives and girlfriends to serve in the Soviet Army during World War II, known in Russia as The Great Patriotic War." and I jus…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 08:42 PM
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why is 1985 in your username then......
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 08:39 PM
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If they get bored they just leave And very often they do, but it's not always easy for them either, especially if their boyfriend or husband is providing for them and they don't want to give up their lifestyle.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 08:38 PM
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It makes sense in a world where women are explicitly or implicitly shamed for their sexuality. You're, what, almost 40 now? The world has changed a lot since you were young. So if you’re dating a guy that doesn’t like promiscuous women and you sleep with him fast I don't think most men will view you as promiscuous for agreeing to his sexual advances.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 08:37 PM
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If a woman actually cares about waiting before sex and does it with every guy that's different. But this argument I've presented is usually presented in an attempt to vindicate women that make some guys wait but not others. "she likes you more and wants to keep you around so she doesn't want to view her as a slut teehee"
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 08:35 PM
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"Tank" 💀💀💀💀💀 Christ, normies don't stop at calling IFVs and armored cars "tanks", now they're calling literally any vaguely armored combat vehicle a "tank". It's rocket artillery FFS.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 08:34 PM
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It's secondary to the main point so I didn't feel like including it in the main post. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyusha_(song)#Song:~:text=The%20song%20is%20about,Great%20Patriotic%20War.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 08:29 PM
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Also, since women love to bitch about men being dishonest/deceptive, if any women actually did employ this strategy it is textbook deception. You'd be creating an illusion of chastity when in reality you gave it up easily for other guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 08:22 PM
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This post is ridiculous, the vast majority of men would not view a woman more positively for denying his sexual advances and making him wait. He WANTED to have sex with you. The only men that would care about waiting are weird tradcon guys and they probably wouldn't even make sexual advances early on in the first place. "I make him wait because I like him teehee" is just another cover up for AF/BB.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 08:04 PM
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I could just as easily point to research suggesting that women get bored in long-term relationships, or the fact that women are far more sexually selective than men which can result in a lack of attraction to the partner that they settled for.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 06:52 PM
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Recent studies have debunked the idea that women's sexual preferences. Yet many Red Pillers still cling to the idea. Even if the ovulatory shift hypothesis is incorrect, I don't think that rules out the possibility of their AF/BB theory, or cuckolding as an evolved reproductive mechanism in human females. Some genetic research estimates that in prehistoric human hunter-gatherers, prior to the Neolithic revolution*, around 3-5 females reproduced for every male. * the massive drop in estimated mal…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 06:43 PM
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Can you provide a single example?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 06:10 PM
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Then those guys can go yell at natural selection or something IDK
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 05:53 PM
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The data they present arguably doesn't support their final conclusion. They're measuring standard of living by comparing income to the poverty threshold for their household size. It's basically a no-brainer that divorced men will outearn divorced women because men are still the primary breadwinners in marriage. If women suffer because they can no longer leech off of us, that's hardly an injustice. Wealth(net worth) arguably matters more here in determining who comes out "on top", and the figures…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 05:08 PM
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Circumcision is still practiced today "Circumcision doesn't significantly affect your appearance" and the female version of it is/was required for girls to be marriageable. Traditional motivations for female circumcision had more to do with religion/tradition/chastity than they did with beauty. All cultures performed or are still performing these beautifications. Right now we have lip fillers, butt implants, steroids for young men and boys, dick pumps to enhance the penis etc. Hang on, you were …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 08:45 AM
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Humans do weird shit, and you can look at the types of beautification we did to young boys and girls so they would become attractive partners. Foot binding, circumcising both genders as a rite of passage, neck rings to elongate the neck, lip plates, piercings, facial tattoos, and of course! Being fat and pale. Circumcision doesn't significantly affect your appearance How many cultures performed extreme alterations like this?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 08:15 AM
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TRP actively discourages men from spending too much money on women, they call it "betabuxxing".
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 04:23 AM
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I don't like the word "submissive" in this context, frankly the word has taken on heavy sexual connotations. "Agreeable" or "compliant" would probably be better.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 04:20 AM
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First of all, not necessarily. Nothing is certain in life but death and taxes. Second of all, there is nothing wrong with wanting a partner you find attractive. And third, would YOU want to be the “ugly” person someone only dated because they were shamed into it? This isn't "shaming". In this example women aren't being labelled as bad people because they won't give uglier guys a chance. The point being made is purely descriptive. The theory, at least, is that a less desirable men may treat their…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 04:17 AM
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A universal trait of most if not all people is the tendency to tailor their responses towards being socially desirable. This is an overwhelming consensus within the social sciences.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 04:10 AM
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Yes, I'm saying that trying to draw a line where "modern humans" suddenly emerged is pointless, regardless of some consensus that may or may not exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 04:09 AM
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And also the fact that I'm not attracted to teenagers. Many people who are would be loath to admit it, so I'm not going to just take your word at face value.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 03:54 AM
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Science is constantly evolving. Public perception of science always lags behind academia, sometimes by decades. For instance, the Linnaean system of categorizing organisms based on ranks(kingdom, order, family, phylum, etc.) that you probably learned in school is well on it's way towards obsolescence, again, because of it's arbitrary nature.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 03:54 AM
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I'm 36 and I do not prefer 18 year old women That's just you, and frankly responses to a question like this will be heavily influenced by social desirability bias. because what the fuck would I have in common with an 18 year old. Having things is common is not required for the vast majority of men to be sexually attracted to a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 03:47 AM
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Fat pale women were “attractive” Did men then actually find those types of women the most sexually attractive? Or were they simply depicted more because wealthier people were fat and pale and they could afford to commission portraits of themselves? Or did elite men simply value fat and pale wives as a status symbol to show off their wealth like a farmer with a prize pig, while seeking out more attractive mistresses to fulfill their actual desires?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 03:45 AM
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Men defend their parasocial attraction to barely legal women Frankly the inverse is true as well, many if not most older women can also find young college-aged men attractive. If they have enough facial hair you probably won't even be able to distinguish them from an older guy. Everyone matures differently, though females tend to mature faster and earlier than males. It's perfectly normal for humans to be attracted to sexually mature individuals of the opposite sex, this has always been the case…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 03:39 AM
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Homo Sapiens emerged roughly 300,000 years ago. Speciation when comparing an extant group of organisms to their ancestors is very difficult. Where you do draw the line? It's pretty arbitrary because evolution is gradual. When we're comparing extant organisms to each other at least we can compare phylogenies, reproductive compatibility, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 03:35 AM
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You said you had 9 "serious relationships". What's your body count?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 03:33 AM
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I'm 20 and I own my own home, try again.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 03:02 AM
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Maybe "most women" don't make good partners? Amen
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 03:02 AM
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I've probably read far more feminist literature and spend more time browsing feminist discussion spaces than you have.....
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/23 08:50 PM
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Sure, I guess more liberal and less-committed feminists might feel that way. The ideological core of the movement is very much opposed to this sort of "individualist choice feminism" though. Many even argue that it's "not really a choice" because men have prefer less body hair so women are inclined to shave, which is ridiculous because none of us exist in a vacuum.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/23 08:47 PM
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A degree of mistrust and disdain towards women keeps men from giving them too much attention or spending too much money on them. It's a good thing. Frankly it's a necessary antidote in the female-biased culture that exists in western countries now. Guys who have overly positive views of women are called simps, and they are prone to getting taken advantage of.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/23 08:44 PM
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what his first language
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/23 08:41 PM
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الرِّجالُ قَوّامونَ عَلَى النِّساءِ بِما فَضَّلَ اللَّهُ بَعضَهُم عَلىٰ بَعضٍ وَبِما أَنفَقوا مِن أَموالِهِم ۚ فَالصّالِحاتُ قانِتاتٌ حافِظاتٌ لِلغَيبِ بِما حَفِظَ اللَّهُ ۚ وَاللّاتي تَخافونَ نُشوزَهُنَّ فَعِظوهُنَّ وَاهجُروهُنَّ فِي المَضاجِعِ وَاضرِبوهُنَّ ۖ فَإِن أَطَعنَكُم فَلا تَبغوا عَلَيهِنَّ سَبيلًا ۗ إِنَّ اللَّهَ كانَ عَلِيًّا كَبيرًا النساء ٣٤
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/23 08:36 PM
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Most women are like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/23 08:30 PM
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I've seen my fair share of complaints from feminists in places like AskFeminists and TwoXC. Some even go so far as to insinuate that preferring less body hair on women is p*dophilic.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/23 08:27 PM
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I think most feminists are critical of men's preferences for less body hair and female beauty standards in general, even if they don't directly these accuse men of misogyny.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/23 05:47 PM
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I wouldn't mind it if a girl does OnlyFans. Definitely wouldn't date a stripper exclusively because their line of work involves physical contact so it would be dumb for them to expect sexual exclusivity from guys. And prostitutes are a no-go for anything other than NSA sex for any guy with more than two brain cells. Most guys would say these women aren't "marriage material". I don't exactly disagree, but to me, NO woman is "marriage material"(if she breathes.....). Marriage is just all-around sh…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/23 12:58 PM
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Women don't get into relationships for money or lifestyle. "x" to doubt After finding out men can't love Again, how would you know that?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/23 12:52 AM
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If men could love a sexual partner, they wouldn't have to spend a penny on women but the best they get to is emotional attachment. And how would you know that?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/23 09:54 PM
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Are you tripping? I never said any of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/23 09:21 PM
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I’m talking about COUPLES You should have specified that. I don’t even know that many women who don’t at least want a BF. I meant I want to be a billionaire, doesn't mean it's going to happen anytime soon.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/23 09:06 PM
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not committing =/= cheating And never move on when he won’t commit? women don't necessarily require commitment from guys, even if they strongly prefer it. and if they move on they could very well be moving on to another chad.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/23 08:42 PM
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That's just one person's unverifiable anecdotes.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/23 08:31 PM
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Our sex life is amazing. She's very sexually giving and submissive. She lets me do a lot of kinky stuff including freeuse, facial, risky public situations, restraints stuff like that. Pretty rare for me to get turned down. She enjoys being dominated in bed and I've gotten pretty good at this. if this isn't fictional erotica, well, the average gets starfish sex not this.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/23 08:25 PM
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First off TRP isn't inherently political apart from being anti-feminist, although the TRP community does tend to lean right politically. TRP is just about sexual strategy as a guy, how to get women to like you and how to get laid. You're just people like Tate in with them because he's also anti-feminist, but TRP isn't really tradcon sympathetic like a lot of these online influencers are. The red pill will isolate you from your family and friends The example you gave not "Red Pill" isolating Adin…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/23 08:15 PM
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It really doesn't. They still "get with chad", as you put it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/23 08:08 PM
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I have one friend who is completely delusional and keeps going for 9/10s when he’s nowhere near that himself. This is anecdotal but the men I see really struggling tend to be below average themselves or delusional to what their own league is. This isn't just anecdotal, this is based on a SINGLE anecdote.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/23 08:01 PM
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There aren’t enough hot guys to go around for all the hot and average women. Considering how much women complain about men not committing, they could very well be sharing the hot guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/23 07:59 PM
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I did read it, I'm not sure you did. The post was talking about jobs that involve physical exertion.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/23 11:25 AM
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And then who is left to defend the family and children? It's the 21st century, what would they need "defending" from?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/23 11:02 AM
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Not in the US where anyone can get a gun.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/23 11:01 AM
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The majority of nurses, carers, cleaners and vets are women - all can be very physically demanding roles None of these jobs require you to be particularly strong. involving blood,shit and other bodily excretions That's got nothing to do with physical strength or exertion. The majority of special education needs teachers are also women, and from knowing people in the field that can also come with its own share of physical demands and exposure to bodily fluids. How often do speds chimp out against…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/23 11:00 AM
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Consent must be freely given. Agreeing to sex in exchange for money is freely given consent.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/23 08:10 AM
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especially for money, because money can’t buy consent, and therefore it’s rape. You have a very different definition of "consent" than most people do. Or are you suggesting that being forced by poverty or trafficking or anything else to have sex with someone against your will to survive is abhorrent? The vast majority of people work for a living, sex work is hardly unique in that regard. Most women don't do sex work and still manage to make a living.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/23 07:33 AM
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chad only
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/23 07:32 AM
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The article references research. Regardless, if the issue is attraction, be attractive to her. "If you don't have enough money just make more"
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/23 07:26 AM
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their dating app analytics showed that most of those men only swiped right on extremely attractive women rather the average in looks women. First of all, I'm younger than you and even I know that OkCupid was primarily a website designed to be used from a computer, not a swipe app like Tinder/Bumble/Hinge. Secondly, the OkCupid data you're referencing only shows how many messages people got relative to the "least attractive" members of their own sex, they never provided actual numbers or a compar…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/23 05:43 AM
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You said: But from what I’ve seen, most men want to settle down and marry cute with pretty as a close second. That implies that this is a preference, as opposed to men merely taking what they can get. You then go on to explain why you think men allegedly prefer this kind of woman, a less attractive "good girl", for marriage: But on the flip side, you’re mainly chosen because men see you as someone who would be a better homemaker and mother. And someone who will take care of them and do for them.…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/23 05:34 AM
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It was unexpected because you presented women's feelings of loneliness as a grievance.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/23 05:32 AM
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?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/23 05:20 AM
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I didn't say "ugly", I said "uglier". Do you have any evidence for your theory? It just means you’re not as attractive as the women he actually wants to be with. You're kinda shifting the goalposts here. In the post you essentially said that men fuck hot girls and marry plain janes. Now you're saying that men are settling for plain janes if they can't get hot girls.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/23 05:18 AM
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^ "Entitled hot girls will end up a lonely cat lady because no one wants to commit to them is" is a gigacope revenge fantasy. Even if guys weren't drawn to her looks (they are), even if guys wouldn't spend money on her (they would), and even if most men don't put with female entitlement (they do, it's ubiquitous), it's not as if most men have their pick of the litter when it comes to sex and relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/23 05:17 AM
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with feeling lonely and unwanted for much of their adolescence Just because you feel a certain way does not mean those feelings are based in reality. For the vast majority of women, getting male attention is as easy as making a profile on a dating app or going out to bar/club.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/23 05:13 AM
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You're conflating getting in an LTR with maintaining an LTR.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/23 05:11 AM
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https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/02/women-get-bored-sex-long-term-relationships/582736/
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/23 05:10 AM
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Women don’t want to be the boring no-fun woman he settled with to have boring, scheduled missionary sex Women are overwhelmingly the ones with lower sexual desire in marriages and long-term realtionships....
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/23 05:09 AM
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You didn't answer the main question.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/23 05:07 AM
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Also known as the “Good girl” or the “Wifey material” woman that is often prioritized when men decide to take dating seriously after ignoring these women. "Ignored"? Most women get plenty of attention from men, or at least they can get a lot of attention from men. "Good girls" that don't get much male attention are probably just not putting themselves in situations where men approach them. Like being on a dating app, going out to bars/clubs, having a lot of male friends and acquaintances, etc. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/23 05:05 AM
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do you think any woman who isn't a virgin is a whore?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/23 11:22 PM
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most people will compromise on at least one preference for the right person. "I'm not shallow I will make an exception for a 5'11" gigachad teehee"
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/23 11:21 PM
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what's do you find "disgusting" about them?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/23 10:45 PM
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we need to do something about trad larpers such as yourself
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/23 09:01 PM
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Happy unicorn hunting!
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/23 08:42 PM
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I didn't say that it was more mature, but it is mature and you're ignoring the other side of the coin. On that note, care giving is something that many people with younger siblings start babysitting them from a relatively young age, like middle school.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/23 08:30 PM
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Men do most of the money making.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/23 08:27 PM
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He says he's married or something. Yup he’s so cringe and reminds me of some old man in the pub talking about the “good old days” Old people and being out of touch, name a more iconic duo.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/23 07:28 PM
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by one simp on here who keeps on banging on about his fraternity days like some guy who hit his peak in university Lift_And_Simp?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/23 06:58 PM
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Women have 100X your game and will run circles around you. I've witnessed the exact same thing as you described above. Thinking for an hour how to send a text that doesn't sound too interested. Timing her responses so she doesn't appear too eager. Never double texting. Not replying on purpose for a day or so. All in the mistaken belief it will make the man chase her. The point is that they're used to being chased and simped for, so not doing that might catch her off guard and set you apart.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/23 06:50 PM
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RP tells any young girls who may come across it that her best chance of marrying the man she’s most attracted to is to lock him down as early as possible. Do they? Can't say I've ever seen it. TRP isn't for women nor is the community very welcoming towards them. The hyper focus on wifing young virgins is going to push even more young and naive girls with low self esteem right into the arms of good looking and manipulative chads Why do you characterize good looking men as being manipulative? Is t…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/23 06:09 PM
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Look up "kino" touch. Read how they encourage men to get a woman alone so they aren't embarrassed by a public rejection or stopped by a "white knight". Women love compliments, so compliment her style, something she is wearing. So let me get this straight. Compliments, physical contact, and not wanting to be embarrassed, or cockblocked by a nosy stranger are "phony"? These are just that normal things that are applicable to most people. Ask women for help; pretend you can't find the nearest Starbu…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/23 05:59 PM
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Tanning/skin care/hair growth products aren't superficial in the same way makeup is. The effects aren't going to be undone by a hose.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/23 05:50 PM
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Most places (in the US) define assault as any unwelcome touch. Wrong. It's one thing if you shoot your shot, she says no, you back off and go to the other side of the bar and she comes over in an hour and says, I'd actually like to buy you a drink if that's okay. It's quite another if she says no and you don't back off and leave her alone. Regardless of the gender. This will also get you potentially kicked out of a lot of decent places. When you said "not accepting no for an answer", I thought y…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/23 12:03 PM
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It MATTERS to women, to find a man and bring him home and ball him and cook for him (and herself) Buddy have you been in a coma for the past few decades? Young women rarely cook for guys, they're all "liberated boss bitches" now.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/23 11:42 AM
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but yes a LOT of PUA "gurus" advise putting your hands on someone before they've okayed it Frankly you're insane if you think touching someone without explicit verbal permission is "assault". People do it all the time. or not accepting an initial 'no' for an answer. People can and do change their minds. Just as an initial "yes" can become a "no", the inverse also applies, an initial "no" can also become a "yes".
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/23 11:38 AM
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Take a 101 ethics class. Attempting to design settings, expectations, and misleading someone in order to try to get them to do something you want to do but are hesitant to ask them if they want to do is highly unethical. Ethics are normative and just because a professor thinks something is unethical doesn't mean I have to agree. I agree that some people lie without having any knowledge of PUA tactics. But a lot of PUA tactics involve (usually mild) levels of assault, and moderate to high levels …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/23 11:35 AM
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These are automatic dealbreakers because such tactics are used to dismantle and unsettle you. According to PUAs this is primarily used to demonstrate your value. Women desire men that are desired by other women. And it might "unsettle" someone in the sense that they no longer feel that they've "locked you down", because you have other options and they have to compete if they want you. But frankly this is how it should be. No one is "locked down" until they're in an exclusive relationship. Women …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/23 10:45 AM
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He's slut shaming her in his own head presumably. Well, as you said, that's just your presumption.... You cherry picked everything else. No one's cherry picking anything. I responded to many important points that article made, you can't expect people to address every single sentence. You on the other hand only responded to one of my points. I think your response is a just a cop-out because you don't want to face up to the problems in that article.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/23 09:47 AM
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That doesn't mean being misled for a hookup Why did you choose the word "misled" as opposed to "lied to"? What do PUAs do that "mislead" people?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/23 09:36 AM
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There are tons of things people do in an attempt to get members of the opposite sex to like them more. What makes PUA techniques so unique and "manipulative"? And that article is hot garbage. In his book, The Art of Seduction, Robert Greene suggests that seducers create an aura of desirability by pretending they have many suitors (whether thats the reality or not). I wouldn't call Robert Greene a PUA, although preselection is a PUA concept. If PUA methods are as effective is the author is making…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/23 09:34 AM
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People get hair implants, beard thickeners and darkeners, and take Propecia all the time. Right, but facial hair is not necessarily a result of superficial enhancement like a face with makeup is. Even most "natural" makeup is thicker and requires more artifice than dramatic makeup but is still visible/noticeable. Could you tell if a woman is wearing just concealer and/or foundation? Doing something disingenuous How do you define "disingenuous" and what PUA tactics are "disingenuous" Trying to in…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/23 07:04 AM
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A lot of TRP dating advice comes from the PUA community.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/23 06:02 AM
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I doubt they would be "confused" in the moment, do you think women are that retarded? Rather, they might regret it the morning after.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/23 06:01 AM
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"Winning" in the ordinary sense of the word has little to do with morality. For instance, few people would suggest that European settlers did not win most of their wars against American Indians.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/23 06:00 AM
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Facial hair is part of your body, makeup is not. A better analogy would be a chick with protruding ears never wearing her hair back in a ponytail or braid. I've seen it myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/23 05:59 AM
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Can you give an example of a PUA tactic that you think is deceptive/dishonest like foodie calls are?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/23 05:52 AM
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I'm not hiding the fact that I wear makeup. Some types of makeup are designed to be hard to identify. Like concealer and foundation for instance. Obviously things like bright lipstick and eye shadow are going to be very noticeable. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Sz2NDJGJzHk Clear and smooth skin, or at least the impression of that, makes a huge difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/23 05:45 AM
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if you have to resort to manipulative tactics What makes PUA tactics especially "manipulative", compared to other things people do to try to make themselves more attractive to the opposite sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/23 05:26 AM
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If it works then why are they "losers" and not "winners" 🤔
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/23 05:20 AM
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How much they make hourly is pretty much irrelevant. Money is far from irrelevant. It's what keeps the bills paid and puts food on the table. Just because you're also working does not mean you're contributing as much as your partner. If both people are working full time ~40hrs a week Are they also contributing roughly the same towards household expenses?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/23 05:00 AM
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How does RP display "entitlement to women's bodies"?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/23 04:50 AM
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I think RP emphasizes status, behavior, and game. If you try to attract bitches by throwing money at them they would call that simping/betabuxxing. When they talk about getting the bag, it's mainly for yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/23 04:49 AM
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But there also guy strategy Slut for fuck and good girls to marry It's not really the same though. Guys don't necessarily find sluts more attractive, sluts are just easier to fuck.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/23 04:48 AM
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She has different political views Fine as long as she's not a socialist or communist. They're all are scum. She's emotionally immature 🤷 Drowning in debt and terrible with money Depends, does she expect me to bail her out? Awful taste in music, fashion, food, in your opinion I'm not that judgemental. No sense of humor, boring personality, can't hold a conversation Meh, far from ideal, but it's not like I can afford too be too picky.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/23 04:46 AM
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Usually we become exclusive pretty quickly. How would you know whether you're exclusive or not....
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/23 04:41 AM
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they tend to expect you to take over household chores even if you work too Married and cohabitating women work less and earn less than men. If you want a roughly 50/50 split on housework than it's only fair to do a roughly 50/50 split on expenses as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/23 04:39 AM
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Something that has caught my attention on this forum is when people talk about their trashy experiences on the apps but then go ahead and describe their physical profile which to put it mildly is severely lacking be it height, weight, face, balding, etc. That's just men. Ugly women still get plenty of attention on dating apps and chances are that at least some of those guys are open to having a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/23 11:08 PM
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"Female women" Is there such thing as a "male woman"?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/23 11:03 PM
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But usually you won’t know how she was with other guys. I don't disagree. So the important part is finding someone whose sex drive matches yours. I think it's a better idea for men to just avoid tying themselves down, and especially getting married, altogether. Women can and do change when they have you locked down.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/23 11:00 PM
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Prenups are also a thing. So what? Prenups got tossed all the time for a bunch of reasons. People want the experience of love or not? You don't need to get the government involved in your life. Anyway if she wants to Enjoy that he has a lifestyle she likely wants to enjoy it With Him. What makes so sure of that?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/23 10:56 PM
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"No" to what?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/23 09:17 PM
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or they are in it for a free meal I mean they're still banging and hanging out, you tell me.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/23 08:53 PM
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Usually when you are dating to have relationships Nah, guys I know still go on dates with chicks they're not exclusive with. Women like being wined and dined regardless of relatationship status.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/23 08:14 PM
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I'm not talking about sex falling off. I'm talking about when chicks are frigid from the start.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/23 07:03 PM
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We both know most these guys hardly went for one approach Speak for yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/23 06:06 PM
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If she was sexually receptive to other men but frigid with you, she probably doesn't like you that much.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/23 05:59 PM
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It’s easier for men to lock women down when they have money Locking anyone down hasn't easy ever since no-fault divorce was introduced.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/23 05:57 PM
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Gold diggers are getting shopping, flown out or secret location first dates. You're choosing to define "gold-digger" very narrowly here, to include only the most extreme examples of women dating men for money, in order to vindicate women as a whole. Most men would define the term more broadly. If a woman moves in with a boyfriend who pays all the rent and bills, or even most of it, that's definitely gold-digging in my book. It's still parasitic and she's still having men pay for her expenses.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/23 05:55 PM
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Women are being taught that how he treats you in the beginning is more than you'll get when he's comfortable. "More than you'll get"? That's such a transactional way of speaking. You're essentially admitting that women's goal is to leech of us.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/23 05:51 PM
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I disagree, I think it's up to women to not be entitled, parasitic, and deceptive.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/23 05:49 PM
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Women have traditionally been more concerned with commitment than sex Well, society isn't very "traditional" anymore. Usually, things flow naturally and there is an unspoken understanding You couldn't be more wrong. Casual sex is ubiquitous and having sex with someone in no way implies that you want to have sex EXCLUSIVELY with them (a relationship). To suggest otherwise is nothing short of entitlement. Most people, male and female, have had casual sex. The acronym "DTR"(Define The Relationship)…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/23 05:44 PM
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Link?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/23 05:30 PM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/12l5b2u/male\_vs\_female\_income\_in\_childless\_couples/
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/23 10:10 AM
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I disagree and so do the statistics.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/23 09:54 AM
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I still cannot imagine marrying a man SOLEY for his money It's a spectrum. Looks and attraction still play some role, a woman would rather marry a plain looking guy over a really ugly guy even if she's marrying primarily for money. But I think a lot of the time women don't really like the guys they settle down with/marry that much. Is a guy that’s a 5 really gonna turn down a HB9 just because she can’t pay her credit card on time? Frankly I wouldn't care if a girl had money problems, so long as …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/23 09:45 AM
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It's not just a small minority of women that are like this.......
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/23 09:42 AM
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tbh "pub" is more of a british term, it's like something in between a restaurant and a bar. decent food selection but you can also go there to just drink. they exist in the US too, but it might not be called the same thing("brewpub" is a term i've seen used). but regardless, there are quieter places you can go to get a drink and have a conversation. much cheaper than a full meal and it doesn't feel tacky like taking someone to a chain restaurant or something.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/23 09:41 AM
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Pub?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/23 09:29 AM
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bars are cooler
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/23 09:26 AM
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you should be exclusive a few weeks to a few months before hitting a home run Any guy that waits that long is a massive chump. The vast majority of women have casual sex, she almost certainly gave it up easier to other guys. If she's making you wait that long she just wants to milk you for all you're worth. Women tend to interpret ‘dating’ as ‘exclusive’ Who said anything about telling women that? Either these words need to be picked at more or men are trying to find loopholes to ‘win’ against w…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/23 09:25 AM
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Honestly coffee dates seem really lame to me. Better to go to a bar or do some kind of activity if you don't want to shell out the $$$ on a decent restaurant.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/23 07:29 AM
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This is a cop out. There is a high degree of overlap in what people find aesthetic in a sexual/romantic partner, especially within the sexes.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/23 07:26 AM
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Unfortunately pregnancy and childbirth cannot be controlled at a whim.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/23 07:15 AM
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No.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/23 07:14 AM
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Thanks for your contribution. Regarding your the last point, I've seen many women argue that they actually make guys they like a lot wait for sex because they want a relationship with him and don't want him to think she's a slut, whereas that doesn't matter for sexual partners she doesn't want a relationship with. This might seem to make sense at first glance, but I think it's flawed because: I don't think it's very common for women to only desire casual sex. Women are far less promiscuous than …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/23 07:12 AM
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Yes I should have mentioned that, their dishonesty is annoying.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/23 06:00 AM
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The fact laws have suppressed a certain behavior doesn't mean it's not innate. It means that's something unnatural. It's not good. But laws have suppressed evolved behaviors. I'm not saying that this is desirable, we both have the same opinion in that regard, but it can be done.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/23 05:51 AM
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I think most evolved behaviors can definitely be altered or at least suppressed through restrictive laws, socially enforced norms, and/or social conditioning, but it's an uphill battle.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/23 05:43 AM
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combined with men’s negative view of women as sex/breading objects rather than people Can you give examples of this? Doesn't even need to be specific, just describe things you've seen here that made you feel this way.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/23 05:03 AM
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wanting a virgin in the year 2023 trad LARP. you'd have more success trying to find a needle in a haystack.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/23 04:48 AM
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Before the invention of contraception Contraception has been ubiquitous for decades.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/23 09:25 PM
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or their actions (for example pretending to be faithful and in a relationship, when they are seeing multiple people doing the same thing). That's just called cheating.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/23 09:24 PM
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Not disclosing your intentions regarding relationships is not "lying" or "deception".
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/23 09:23 PM
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You could have just wrote "drunk women can't consent but drunk men can" and it would have essentially mean the same thing. the guy is the one doing the approaching and the guy is usually the one attempting to coheres the woman soooooo Drunk women make sexual advances all the time, doesn't stop people like you from crying over it and calling them victims.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/23 09:17 PM
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Having an obese chick use you for a foodie call counts as a "date".....
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/23 09:19 AM
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you know what
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 09:52 PM
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this is how ricecels c*pe huh
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 09:49 PM
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Did you not hear me say that they never lived with us?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 09:49 PM
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do you speak any chinese language
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 09:46 PM
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Maybe you're just whitewashed or poor 🤣
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 09:43 PM
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did u not see the linked image. at any rate, if you aren't making it up, this is a little sus. not knocking on you but it goes without saying it's rare for women to like a guy so much they invite them to visit from halfway across the world. have u facetimed her? could you talk to her parents/family members? does she have a presence on instagram/facebook so you can tell if she's a normal chick and not tryna harvest your organs?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 09:37 PM
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I have a hard time believing you enjoyed visiting there. Between how poor and dirty it is, and how the men there act around white chicks....... I don't think I've ever seen India mentioned in discussions about good tourist destinations in Asia.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 09:22 PM
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bro got them rock bottom standards 💀
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 09:18 PM
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A maid Possibly, I thought a "maid" was synonymous with a cleaning lady though.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 09:17 PM
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Hilarious joke possum 😆 - sent from my iphone
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 09:16 PM
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Is she Albanian by any chance?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 09:12 PM
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Abortion, or at least not the bodily autonomy aspect of it, is arguably not an equality issue because men do not get pregnant.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 09:10 PM
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So my family is Chinese (living in Canada), and in the past we often hired ladies to help around the house, especially when my little brother was born. They would do basically everything: cooking, cleaning, dishes, garbage, childcare, etc. They got paid in cash $10-$15 an hour. They never lived with us, they commuted and came anywhere from once a week to every day depending on the circumstances, and stayed for at least 6-8 hours usually. It was a lot cheaper than hiring a different person for ev…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 09:07 PM
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I don't know if I would call myself an incel, but if I could remove my sex drive without feminizing myself I would do it in a heartbeat. I kind of already do that by jerking off a lot (rarely watch porn though). Men's sex drive is truly our Achilles' heel. It's what enables women to control and manipulate us using their sexuality. Only very few highly desirable men are spared from this.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 08:46 PM
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Yeah there's more to sacrifices made to provide than the hours you clock on the job.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 08:36 PM
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Not all of them, but generally I think it's reasonable for women to do most housework. And yeah generally I think outsourcing housework to others(some childcare as well) is a good idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 08:34 PM
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Not to mention most women have jobs so won't be sleeping on the streets if you disappear. Ye but women who are married and/or raising kids with their partner tend to work and earn a lot less. So the man's income is what's paying the bulk of the living expenses.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 08:33 PM
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Just poking fun buddy. Bitches or sluts are a total turn off Not even for fun? Also, you basically assumed that she's a bitch just because of the dress. Bruh do you not know what most guys mean we say "bitches"? Over for autismcels TBH
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 08:30 PM
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I unfortunately had to sign out. I'll miss this year's deadline soon, too. So long as we live with his dad I have accepted that school is simply off the table. I need stability and a place to study, and I honestly have neither. Is his dad's place really that small? Regardless, libraries exist. Financially it would be far easier for you to quit your job and go to school full time while the two of you are living with his dad than if the two of you were living on your own. With just his income it w…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 08:28 PM
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I'm defining "slutty" in a relative sense. Also it's kinda gay to get bent out of shape when hot bitches show off their bodies NGL.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 08:23 PM
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India I have a very, very, hard time believing this.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 08:19 PM
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I think that's a guy wearing womanface.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 08:18 PM
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My man do you live in Saudi Arabia? This is relatively tame by western standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 08:17 PM
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It's a broad term generally used to refer to a man who is less agreeable and has higher risk tolerance, to varying degrees. Could just be your average douchey, wild, frat guy. Or he could be a violent criminal. Alternatively: what women call guys that won't commit to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 08:12 PM
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The post I made about finances within a relationship really did reveal how deluded most women here are and how little they value the sacrifices men make to provide for their families. Like it or not our lives revolve around money today. Sure, without a decent homemaker your life might be noticeably worse. The kids might spend more time in daycare and less time with parents than they'd like (I know what this is like trust me), you might not have well-made home-cooked meals, laundry might be less …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 08:10 PM
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Financial contribution is irrelevant. If finances matter to you then would you be okay with being hungry and homeless?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 08:05 PM
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I'd consider an extra contribution to at least involve doing something extra. If you're paying 60% or 70% of the expenses then that is "something extra". and as it takes no effort Damn, if earning more really takes no effort then why don't you just start earning more?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 07:47 AM
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Both are relevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 07:45 AM
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Well the women you know are probably disproportionately career-oriented women. Your little social circle is far from representative.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 07:27 AM
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Maybe men who already have the earning potential feel comfortable supporting a family so they are willing to get married. More like women pick higher earning men to marry.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 03:32 AM
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I'm using "nanny" in a broad sense, like ladies you pay to do kinda everything around the house. Childcare, cooking, cleaning, whatever. Lots of Latina and Asian ladies willing to do that kind of work for cash, charging less than $15 an hour in many places.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 03:30 AM
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Because women sacrifice their earning potential to have children. I doubt this explains most of it, women by and large enter lower paying fields and even in younger demographics there is a significant earnings, according to the data I posted. Keep on bemoaning the falling birth rate and blaming women though… Keep making shit up that I didn't say.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 03:28 AM
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Way to cherry pick your studies. Feel free to link other studies.... There are many showing in marriages where wife and husband work equal amount of hours and nearly the same salaries Well the vast majority of marriages aren't like that, so I'm not sure why you want to focus on them. I'm sure there a lot of marriages where the man earns significantly more, but they do similar amounts of housework/childcare and/or they hire people to do those things. you do know around 1/3rd of American marriages…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 03:22 AM
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That article doesn't actually link to the survey in question. Twenty-one percent of women surveyed said they make more than their partners, and 26 percent said they made the same amount. "More" can mean $1000 more, or it can mean $50 000 more. And "same" is very open to interpretation; how close do their incomes have to be in order to be considered the "same"? When you look at the actual numbers, men, especially married men, make far more than women.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/23 11:47 PM
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https://files.stlouisfed.org/files/htdocs/publications/images/uploads/2018/ES1824Fig1_20180912125942.jpg The disparity is a lot more than 5k a year.....
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/23 11:41 PM
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First off I'm talking about the bigger picture, obviously everyone's financial situation is different. If they're making more than you I would recommend having a discussion about having them cover all living expenses and bills for the time being so you can quit your job and go to school full-time. It's an investment. If your degree can improve your career prospects, the faster you get it the better. It would be benefit the both of you. If you need tuition money, would they be willing to loan it …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/23 11:29 PM
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Yeah definitely a lot of successful career women here. I respect that but they need to realize that most women don't make anywhere near as much as they do.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/23 11:23 PM
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When the woman is the higher earner, should the man do the housework and childcare? Yes, it makes more sense for the partner who earns less per hour to do more housework and childcare regardless of sex. Unless you have a newborn in which case it would ideal for the mother to breastfeed it at least for a few months. TBH couples should outsource more housework to nannies, apart from childcare and cooking. Less fighting over who does what and it makes financial sense since most people earn more per…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/23 11:15 PM
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Lol, you probably just linked a random article you found on Google that you thought supported your point without bothering to look into it. Source cited by that Psychology Today article: https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20210308005652/en/Wells-Fargo-Younger-Women-Are-Increasingly-Earning-the-Title-of-%E2%80%9CBreadwinner%E2%80%9D Women’s contributions to their family’s finances are growing, according to a new Wells Fargo study released today in conjunction with International Women’s Day. T…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/23 11:11 PM
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Usually men who earn more contribute more to household expenses, that is, if their finances aren't outright combined. And if you get married, by definition all wealth acquired during marriage is jointly owned, even if you maintain separate bank accounts. That's why assets are split on divorce. If you took money from your spouse's wallet without their permission, it wouldn't be considered theft.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/23 10:56 PM
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So…in the 40% of marriages in which the woman makes more money Where are you getting this from?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/23 10:52 PM
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Really? I thought the feminist zeitgeist was that contributions to the relationship should be equal 🙄
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/23 10:08 PM
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Men are already the primary breadwinners in most families
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/23 09:39 PM
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You think the average women has the money for daycare? Most kids go to preschool and kindergarten these days.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/23 09:39 PM
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Kids are spending less and less time at home now, most kids go to kindergarten and preschool.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/23 09:38 PM
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The earning part means literally nothing to me. Food, shelter, utilities, and healthcare mean nothing to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/23 09:33 PM
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What women are complaining about is a wife having an equally taxing job as a husband Just because you spend the same number of hours on the clock doesn't mean the jobs are equally taxing. Also, men still earn far more regardless.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/23 09:01 PM
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Taking care of kids is a 24 hour job. You're waking up at 2 in the morning and going back to bed at 3. She's working 168 hours a week. There's no point engaging with something as delusional as this.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/23 08:59 PM
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The issue with the study you have linked is it’s self reported. I doubt most people would lie about their earnings. I don’t think it’s a secret that men seem to hype up the amount of work they do, and women downplay it. And how would you know this? If you’ve got a baby or very small child as a woman your childcare is quite literally 24/7 apart from when you are asleep Or when they are sleep, which for babies is most of the day.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/23 08:58 PM
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You're talking about cohabitating/married couples, many relationships aren't cohabitating...... As far as married couples go at least, married men earn significantly more than married women do. You'd have to willfully ignorant to believe that married women are contributing equally financially just because they also work. And according to Pew polling, women with minor children spend about half as much time doing paid work than their male counterparts.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/23 08:20 PM
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You mean like creating a misleading picture that you want a relationship with someone? Sure, guys sometimes do say things with the intention of deceiving girls into thinking they want more. But merely not disclosing that you're not interested in a relationship is not "misleading" or "lying by omission".
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/23 06:44 PM
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So we’re left with older single women who are vaguely unsatisfied and still searching as their biological window closes (or as RP calls it “approaching the wall”). I'm just going to repeat myself: "Of course you want more. You always do, it's never going to be enough for you." Would average and ugly chicks have been RELATIVELY happier if they got hitched to their looksmatch in their teens/early 20s never got to be with chad at all? I'm not so sure. Notice how I don't have a RP flair. It's for a …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/23 06:41 PM
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who are not satisfied by celibacy, casual sex, and situationships Of course you want more. You always do, it's never going to be enough for you. I'll just say this. Without the widespread acceptance premarital sex(or polygyny) most women would not be able to pursue the most desirable men the way that they do currently. You can't all have chad to yourselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/23 06:04 PM
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but the cost is that it means men have a much easier time of procuring sex without offering commitment, which is a negative for women en mass. Is it? Maybe you should speak for yourself.....
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/23 05:55 PM
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In this case, it's literally called a lie by omission. "Lying by omission" is when you selectively tell parts of the truth to create a misleading picture. If you simply don't say anything on a topic, most people would not call that "lying by omission".
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/23 05:52 PM
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How often do men actually lie that they want a relationship when they don't? I think it's more common for women to feel entitled to relationships and assume things going to move that way, even if he hasn't touched the topic of DTR.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/23 05:46 PM
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No, the implication is that one is manipulating the other person's feelings How are they being manipulated? and intentionally withholding information People don't tell their sexual partners all kinds of things. How is this any different? Not disclosing certain things is not dishonesty.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/23 05:43 PM
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or intentionally being vague about your feelings Not disclosing something is not dishonesty. Even if one of the parnters had hoped it would turn into more. If you expect it to become something more when your partner had never said anything to that effect, that's kinda on you.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/23 05:34 PM
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See, that’s the thing. Men could and should lower their standards. Men's low standards is why ugly guys can't get any bitches. Hot guys have low standards and get with ugly bitches.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/23 06:24 AM
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pity sex
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/23 02:45 AM
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You're just talking about pity sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/23 02:45 AM
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Right, because spending two years in an absolute sausage fest environment with no chicks will definitely help them get better at approaching chicks.....
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/23 01:55 AM
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Not sure what you're on about. I was talking about guys who can pull and choose to reject marriage. Not poor/ugly incels that no woman wants to marry anyways. I'm not saying that unmarried men overall are happier. I'm saying that if you choose not to marry you will probably be happier.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/23 12:36 AM
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Look at what they look like in real life, not what they act like online I'm not talking about anyone who is a self-proclaimed "playboy" online. There are older guys in their 30s and 40s that took care of themselves(and got lucky against the Norwood reaper) and still got it. With the higher status and wealth associated with age to boot.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/23 10:25 PM
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you know what’s a greater risk of divorce than anything, marriage. Better stay away! Yes, actually. I don't think marriage is generally a good idea for men. But obviously some marriages are riskier than others. yes it’s a much better idea to be a single man who is never married in his 40s? Like I says go see those men out and about and look at how “happy” they are Depends. Has he never married because he's a highly attractive playboy that actively rejects marriage offers? Or has he never married…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/23 09:24 PM
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Cause everything stats say is the most probable always happens! Who said anything about "always happens"? I sure as hell didn't. Just that the risk of a bad marriage and divorce is greater with sluts. Also 6,200 weddings a day on average to the tune of a 71 billion wedding industry Are you a lemming or a human? Just because a lot of people are doing something doesn't mean it's a good idea. We have soo many chad Who said anything about "chads"? I sure as hell didn't. Why is "chad" living rent fre…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/23 08:33 PM
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they are more likely to wait if they like you more and actually want something with you that isn’t just sex Yeah, like our money. Women primarily demonstrate their interest through sex these days. If you don't offer that, then there's a good chance you're just looking for an ATM. Unless you were to demonstrate interest and lack of ulterior motives in other ways, like offering to split on dates, giving him plenty of non-sexual attention, doing thoughtful things, etc. But it's not common for women…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/23 07:18 PM
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so they area making up all kinds of reasons The reasons aren't "made up"..... But not the dudes: all us dudes that might have added to any woman’s n-count get a pass They're not interested in dating or marrying dudes.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/23 07:07 PM
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I'm sorry to hear that.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/23 08:16 AM
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Which men by and large conviniently didn't really give many fucks about until the anti-feminist internet blow up of around 2014-2016. I still think most men aren't very knowledgeable about this issue and the Johnny Depp case was just the start. I was explaining why I personally thought that case was important. At any rate, your comments are the perfect example of what that guy was saying: "Incel is just the new virgin shaming tactic of the left that holds no meaning. It's basically used anytime …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/23 02:07 AM
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Women sided with him but they weren't utterly OBSESSED with the case to the point it was almost unhinged like some dudes did. It's an important high profile case that raised awareness for the prevalence of female-perpetrated domestic violence against men. I wasn't following that closely but even I got called an "incel" by feminist-leaning Redditors for siding with Johnny saying that Amber was the primary aggressor. If you have a victim complex and you want to find misogyny everywhere, then that'…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/23 01:57 AM
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Not heard that but I guess the combative sort of "women bad" You have a victim complex if you see any of these sentiments and you feel attacked. Even most girls I've seen were on Johnny Depp's side during the trial because the evidence was overwhelmingly in his favor. Female Redditors regularly say far worse things about men with hundreds or thousands of upvotes on subreddits like 2XC, and even here.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/23 01:21 AM
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While the same men had eyes and could clearly see that women, too, possess a sex drive What's usually claimed is that boys are misled when they're young and some of them realize it when they get older and actually start observing their female peer's sexual behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/23 12:56 AM
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Women use it to (often, accurately) identify men that are using misogynistic talking points the "incel" community is renowned for The vast majority of the time that word it has nothing to do with ideas coined by the incel community. Men get called "incels" for criticizing sex-based affirmative action, saying that Amber Heard was the primary aggressor, saying that false rape accusations are a problem, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/23 12:50 AM
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It's funny how some of the users rushing to deny this were literally the same people that were saying how husbands needed to keep wooing and dating their wives in the recent post about sexless marriages. Without holding wives to the same standard.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 11:17 PM
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sigma brother frfr
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 11:08 PM
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💀
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 11:07 PM
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You can see it through concepts like "the wall", the idea that women lose value as they age This is absolutely true. Most men find older women far less attractive. and that men in their 40s will have the ability to pick and choose any women they want This is not really true, although men do tend to age somewhat more gracefully than women do. And older men can leverage their increased wealth/status to an extent, but that comes with it's own pitfalls.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 11:07 PM
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Men to women: just have plastic surgery, get a Brazilian butt lift and liposuction. It's so easy, you have options. This man is living on another planet. Women of all shapes and sizes get plenty of male attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 10:32 PM
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Are you saying women should just deal with men discarding them You would never accuse a woman of "discarding" a man if she dumped him to be with someone she likes more.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 10:27 PM
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Both men and women can leave their current partners if they find someone better. The vast majority of divorces are initiated by women. Not sure why you're singling out men here.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 10:22 PM
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Every time somebody says that men should do something it’s always, “but they have jobs”. Dude, damn near every man has a job. It's not just about having a job. Married men especially work harder, longer, to earn more and provide for their families. And my Pastor wasn’t just a Pastor his wife stays home so he needed another source of income and had a roofing business. He did that for decades before retirement. So he was Pastor, with a roofing business, 2 kids and still managed to take his wife on…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 09:56 PM
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Most people, male and female, have initiated sexual activity without seeking verbal agreement first. It's nothing out of the ordinary. They're big girls, saying "no" isn't hard. The possibility that someone might ignore your refusal is hardly a compelling reason to not do it. Even if they do ignore it you wouldn't be in a worse position than if you had said nothing. And how often do men actually ignore a "no"?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 09:24 PM
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Women don’t generally woo men. Ok, and how come that doesn't make women "lazy"? Like you can just accept the less sex then idk I don't think the drop in sex is mainly due to "wooing". But regardless, the point OP was making, which I agree with, is that marriage and serious commitment are increasingly bad life choices for men. The juice ain't worth the squeeze. The fact that you're arguing that husbands are in the wrong for not going above and beyond to woo their wives, and should be expected to …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 09:01 PM
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How come you're only calling husbands are "lazy" for not wooing their wives, but wives aren't "lazy" for not wooing their husbands?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 08:47 PM
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My pastor still takes his wife on dates 2x a month I don't think being a pastor is anywhere near as stressful or time-consuming as most jobs worked by married men. And why is the onus always placed on husbands to do romantic things for their wives and never the inverse? Somehow the house is always clean, laundry is always done, fridge is always stocked etc... Shopping, cleaning, and laundry can be done once a week......
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 08:30 PM
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sluts (at least these hot nurses that hook up and marry at my job) are aggressive and are probably more open to kinks that are meaningful to a certain type of guy to create a home environment to keep him going. Most men, especially rich doctors, don't need to marry to get sex and companionship.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 10:40 PM
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Much like guys that lose big in divorce often remarry repeatedly, they see value n it Just because someone does something repeatedly doesn't mean it's a good idea. You wouldn't say that about women who keep getting into abusive relationships. Many guys med school are nerds starved for female attention. This creates spineless simps who end up unnecessarily showering thots in affection, money, and commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 09:47 PM
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Some things are riskier than others. Wifing up a slut ranks pretty high on that list.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 09:35 PM
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Just because doing something makes you happy in the moment doesn't mean it can't have negative consequences in the future. Prioritizing immediate pleasure over long-term well-being leads to things like drug addiction.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 09:21 PM
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Men complain about modern women being ran through I don't Y’all know that younger women are more vulnerable and have a harder time asking for their needs Commitment isn't a "need" any more than sex is.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 05:09 PM
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Then why wouldn't she do it herself? What are her motivations for not doing it? "I don't enjoy it" or "It doesn't satisfy me" is reason enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 05:08 PM
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Women who haven't slept around, especially those who are virgins tend to be religious OR have a strong moral framework that is against promiscuity. You realize that women can be sexually reserved without being religious, virgins, or moralistic, right? Just because you don't sleep around doesn't mean you think there's something wrong with that. Tell me, do you think most or all non-promiscuous women slut-shame other women? I seriously doubt it. I think you're just using this post to bash men.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 11:04 AM
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What are you on about? Please point out where in post or comments I used the words "religious" or "virgin".
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 10:51 AM
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I've already looked into and linked your research and it's pretty damn flawed. The onus is on you to prove what you said.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 10:46 AM
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Have you considered the possibility that maybe not every single woman in this world is like you? Or are you too solipsistic to do that?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 10:40 AM
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