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Women are allowed to have different intentions with different men, just as men are with women. Which is why I said we should show zero sympathy. On the flip side of every woman crying about getting smash & passed is a man exercising his right to choose who he intends to take seriously. Just as she followed through with her intentions and gave him the cheeks. women should have the same right as men They have the right to live with their decisions. They don't have the right to a pity party every t…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 05:10 AM
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Would you also call a non-virgin man “ran through”? Even if we did, would that lower his options or make him less desirable to women?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 01:47 AM
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It’s okay to want to have sex with one guy for one night, and not with another Butabuxxing in a nutshell. Reserve your sympathy fellas.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 01:44 AM
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So have you found her yet, or are you still looking? Yep, found and married her. That's the issue with the quality women. They're rarely single. Either constantly in LTRs or married by their mid 20's. At least from what I've usually seen, aside from a few exceptions. It's why you insult their wives and assume they aren't Just being blunt about the situation. A reformed party girl and the men who take that aren't really things men respect. We understand why they do it, though. If you're dying of …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/23 11:46 PM
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Trust I've turned down women from a few of the categories I just mentioned, and a woman with kids, add that to the list. But that's some other dude's problem. We all have a role to play. For every guy like me who lands a quality woman with a good upbringing, reputation, and zero baggage, somebody else has to pick from what remains. It's a dog eat dog world out here. But if those guys are happy, who cares.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/23 11:25 PM
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Yes, as I'm not any of the things I just described. Some guy always has to be though. There's not enough good-natured wife-minded women to go around. Somebody has to take the reformed party girls, hoe phase girls, girls with baggage, fat chicks who refuse to lose weight, etc. And that could never be me, so...
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/23 11:18 PM
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Captn'Savems I presume. The habitual white knights our society. The same ones gassing up fat chicks.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/23 11:04 PM
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Why are you celibate? I'm not. Just empathizing with guys who get put through that. Why not also date other people while she is? That's the smart way to play it. Play the field until exclusivity is established and the cheeks have been secured. Women do this all the time, have dudes on standby to satisfy various needs. More men need to learn to follow suit.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/23 09:18 PM
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I would have to either pay more of the bills or lower my standards for housing and all of that when we combined lives. Assuming all things remained the same and he moved into your house. The amount you pay for the house itself would decrease, even if it doesn't become 50/50. It would go from you pay 100% to less than that, maybe 80/20. That's still less than you originally would pay, though. As for utilities, I doubt the water and electric would increase so much that a guy making 75K couldn't af…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/23 04:18 PM
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I wasn't giving that up for a man. Why would you assume a guy would benefit from making you give up what you like to do? And how does how much money he makes correlate to him wanting you to change? He wanted the same and could provide his half or I would remain single. How would you be negatively affected if the guy you were dating made a lot less than you? Let's say 75K
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/23 03:31 PM
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being perfectly fine with sticking with a woman, even after she passes 'the wall'? This assumes you were with that woman before you hit your 30's and before she hit the wall.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/23 10:10 AM
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Right. Let's riot against all the divorcees that are apparently abusers. Tell them to stop financially abusing their ex-husbands through alimony and the splitting of assets they didn't earn on their own. I can admit when I'm wrong when abuse needs to be stopped.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/23 02:34 AM
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your view on hymens and virginity is extremely sexist and misogynistic. Biology is sexist now? Just had to throw in misogyny for good measure. Lol, okay 👍 I'm not a super Uber feminist Could have had me fooled, but here's your chance to prove that. Explain how pointing out the biological fact that hymens can tear during sex makes someone by definition a misogynist? The problem is that you even THINK that this is a sign she is/isn't a virgin. So, now you're saying that hymens don't tear during se…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/23 02:29 AM
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Mine didn't bleed the first time I had sex, and it never tore any other way that I was aware of, so....... Cool. Your subjective experience should be the new standard because...? Also, some people's hymens don't "break" Key word here being some. Exceptions don't change the rule. And how many times do I have to clarifying that I was saying it's one of multiple signs that may show that a woman isn't a virgin. I didn't say it was 100% and I didn't say other things also shouldn't be taken into consi…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/23 02:02 AM
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How many women do you know personally in the West meet those requirements? Is it the majority?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/23 01:48 AM
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If a guy is getting everything he would get in a relationship, even kids, from multiple women without commitment, what benefit does he get from commitment then? Why would he legally tie himself to a single woman just to get more of what he's already getting from multiple without the risk of divorce? You tell me what will incentive a guy in that situation to want that?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/23 01:00 AM
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I meant the tearing aspect, which leads to bleeding. Not actually going down and looking for a hymen. That would be pretty extreme. But I also mentioned that it can tear in other ways outside of sex, which is why I say in my edit that this method alone isn't foolproof.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/23 12:56 AM
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Having low standards as a man doesn't mean anything if the majority of women aren't attracted to you and you don't have the game required to confidently approach then and get them comfortable enough to have sex with you. Even for a guy aiming down there's still a certain amount of effort required to score. Only exceptions I've seen is if a girl is coming on to a guy hard, then she'll make it easy.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 11:55 PM
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If the average woman could get with Channing Tatum, Jason Momoa, or Michael B. Jordan, she wouldn't be with her husband now, would she? See, we can both do hypothetical scenarios that go nowhere. Sensible people understand their level and make the best of their situation. What point is there in wondering what the average person would do if they could have a harem, date a movie star, or suddenly had 100 million dollars?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 11:36 PM
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you are divorcing your wife because she cheated on you, you both share all finances, she gets wind that you are about to divorce her, so she drains all the accounts and absconds with the money. Men who make significantly more get drained of their finances through divorce courts all the time. We're going to start calling those women abusers now? Good point. I'm on your side now.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 09:36 PM
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I never once said that visibly examining a vagina for use was a feasible solution.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 09:32 PM
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I addressed this myself in the first edit.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 09:30 PM
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Look up what financial abuse is. The whole premise is ridiculous. Explain how someone can force you to depend on them financially or force you to not get a job? This just sounds like someone whose bitter because they guy they're with and whose funds they chose to rely on entirely suddenly gave them an allowance. First time I heard this term was when a woman on the KS podcast complained that her husband told her they needed to budget more because he was paying out the ass for his cancer treatment…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 07:19 PM
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Since when did the "top percentage of men" become most men?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 06:10 PM
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Cool, then that person can leave the relationship. Which is what I'm saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 03:31 PM
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I'm sure you could, but unless one party is unable to leave for some unknown reason, they can just terminate the relationship if they don't like the terms. Otherwise, it's not really 3rd parties business what kind of relationship two people consent to having having. Just because we don't think a relationship is ideal by our terms, doesn't mean the relationship those couples choose to have is wrong. Who gets to determine that besides the two people in the relationship together?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 12:00 PM
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if those adults are closely related Incest is illegal in most places, so I'll give you this one. the relationship is abusive Then the person can leave. If I agree to stay with a chick who treats me a certain kind of way, then I'm making a choice to do that for whatever reason. If I don't like it, I don't have to be with this person. It's that simple.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 11:56 AM
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I would hope to never be liked by a woman to the extent that she wants to put me specifically through a 3 month celibacy period. Best believe she'll be calling over her ex or fwb to come over and clap her cheeks the entire time.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 11:50 AM
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Two consenting adults dating is never an issue but some people try to make it an issue to fit an agenda.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 11:36 AM
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Financial abuse? We're really just going to use the term "abuse" for everything, huh?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 11:32 AM
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Lots of Western women also have a salary requirement and expect a man to be a provider to some capacity. If having that standard means someone doesn't genuinely like you, then that would disqualify a lot of Western women as well. Only women who would qualify at that point are women willing to date broke guys who provide them nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 11:23 AM
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“Average” is a subjective thing anyways. Here's a secret, most people are average. Although there is some subjectivity, there's still a standard of beauty. Reality usually shows us where we stand. If a woman is above average, she would be consistently attracting and getting commitment from above average men. If she's not, then she likely doesn't qualify for men of that caliber. At the heart of the femcel movement is plain old entitlement. Like when Lizzo thought she could get with Chris Evans. S…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 11:16 AM
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An average woman getting with an average guy isn't "settling." And most guys aren't abusive.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 09:00 PM
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Every time your wife has had sex with someone before knowing you exist, she cheated on you. She didn’t have sex before me, I was her first. A woman having have had sex in the past is equal to a man cheating. If YOU say so. Not the argument I was making tho. you'll be a regular of the retroactive jelousy sub I've luckily never had to experience that. First woman I considered seriously for marriage was my wife. Doesn't surprise me that there's a sub for that tho. Not everybody can handle thinking …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 07:44 PM
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Nobody wants a commitment anymore Plenty of guys want commitment. Problem is, our current society incentives men who are in the top percentage of desirability to not commit. Why? Because they're getting most of the benefits they would get in a relationship without needing to be in a relationship. The main motivator being sex. If you can get that from multiple women with no strings attached, why commit to any? And the only only other motivator would be kids, but guys are losing their drive for th…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 05:45 PM
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Point is risk mitigation. There's never going to be a 100% full proof method to discern if a woman is a hoe other than her point blank saying so. Still, men are going to try to vet for it anyways. Same way women vet out men who are fukbois or players when looking for a serious dating prospect. Both sexes come up with their own methods of reading the tea leaves so they don't waste time on a relationship that might be doomed for failure.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 05:05 PM
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Yeah, it definitely seems like a marketing ploy. Like you pointed out, if they're not getting the results they want in the dating market, so a smart move to them might be to rebrand. Distance themselves from the aspects that are driving men away. Unfortunately, some guys will fall for it and likely suffer dearly for trying to be the understanding white knight.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 04:14 PM
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What's being compared doesn't really matter. It could be anything you may not like about the person's past. Maybe the guy had a bisexual phase. Some women are turned off by that. The primary point of the analogy is to show that if the person did something you find distasteful, you're still most likely going to judge them for doing it, regardless if they say it was just a "phase." I use cheating in my example because most people regardless of gender have an issue with it. It's going to be a red f…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 03:09 PM
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Dark triad traits not being so heavily rewarded as attempts at being a "nice guy" are demonized. It doesn't matter how much women harp on about how men should be virtuous for the sake of it, if crime pays with zero repercussions, who wouldn't just take what they want under those circumstances? They expect men to be better people than they are. They create guys like Tate and the fukbois they apparently hate by proving time and time again that so long as certain attractive markers are met (height,…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 02:39 PM
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She was very shy at that time and nervous. That likely played a role. She didn't have an issue getting wet but was super tight. It was also painful for her initially. We didn't have any issues the times we had sex following that first time and maybe second time.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 02:25 PM
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Being a hoe is a phase because it’s some thing you do for a time and then you don’t. Saying you're a hoe for a time and then not makes just as much/little sense as saying you were a cheater for a time and phased out of doing that. Both cheating and hoeing around are actions you can take and then choose not to do again. Some people believe you're either a cheater or you're not, no phasing in and out of it. Just like some people believe you are either a hoe or you aren't.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 12:33 PM
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used to be a gamer and played video games daily for hours, didn’t work, and kept his place dirty asfuck bc he was young and didn’t care If she thinks video games are stupid and he likes video games, they might not be compatible He may still not like to work. If she wants a man whose ambitious and passionate about what they do, they might not be compatible. If he kept his place dirty as fuck, and she's a neat freak who doesn't want to have to clean up after him. Then they might not be compatible.…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 12:25 PM
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Again, analogy. Point is, if a guy has cheated, a woman who doesn't like cheaters is going to judge him for doing that. Doesn't matter if he says it was a "phase." Same for guys who don't like hoes. A woman who ever had a "hoe phase" will be judged harshly by guys who don't like hoes or women who have ever been hoes. So, calling it a phase is pointless. It's not a deterrent of anything and won't prevent judgment of those actions.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 11:37 AM
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I wouldn't settle down with someone of either gender who hasn't gone out and played the field. So, someone with a history of LTRs and barely any hookups is a red flag for you? I would feel more secure with someone who had seen the downsides of casual sex and knew fully that they wanted commitment from then on. What if they knew early on that they weren't someone who liked casual sex that much and preferred committed relationships? I can't even imagine how men would spin it if women were essentia…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 11:30 AM
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Already addressed this point in the edit.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 11:17 AM
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I'm beginning to think Redditors pretend to not understand analogies to avoid having an actual conversation or addressing a point they have no answer to. If someone told you they had a cheating phase, would you still judge them for it? Yes or no?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 11:16 AM
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Possibly, since it was her first time after all. She was definitely nervous.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 08:53 AM
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You can insert any behavior you don't like, doesn't have to be cheating, and the point will still be made. If someone tells you they did something you don't find desirable in a partner, chances are you are going to judge them for doing it. Will saying it was just a "phase" stop you from making whatever judgments you're going to make?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 08:52 AM
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1) avoid relying solely on the status of the hymen in sexual assault examinations and reporting This is from the second article. They literally said what I just said, which is to not just rely on the hymen. They don't say to completely ignore it entirely, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 08:42 AM
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Equally undateable Not equal in any way, shape, or form. If someone told me to choose between a golddigger and a murder/rapist, I'm picking A with zero hesitation. Neither are ideal but one is clearly light-years worse than the other. Equally inferior Again, not equal at all. How in the world is not being nice the same as being a murderer/rapist? Even making the comparison is laughable.
/r/AllPillDebate03/08/23 02:44 AM
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How could we both be living in a purity culture and a hookup culture? Would a purity culture champion platforms like OnlyFans?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 02:37 AM
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If you want the conversation to progress, answer the question. Or just concede you don't want to for obvious reasons. It's fine. I prefer not to waste any more time talking in circles.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 02:34 AM
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Wetness wasn't an issue. Tightness was.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 02:32 AM
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This is the only thing at this moment I’m interested in debating, either support your argument or don’t. Come up with your own analogy then. The end result will be the same. We both know what the conclusion is going to be. I know you're smart enough to have already gotten the point, which is why you're trying so hard to avoid answering the simple question I asked you multiple times already.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 02:29 AM
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“Judging” isn’t comparable. That wasn't even what I said. What's being compared is the usage of "phase" after an action and how that does nothing to prevent judgments. Literally no one ever says “cheating” is a phase that’s something you’ve made up An analogy can just be an example to make the point. It doesn't have to something that someone has actually said or done. You're being obtuse on purpose. Just answer the very simple question. If a man said they had a cheating phase or (insert action y…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 02:16 AM
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Yep, they're free to try their hands at dating these modern women. Be the real men they say they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 02:09 AM
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Apparently, I have to spell this out. The analogy was about judgments and how calling actions part of a phase does nothing to prevent said actions from being judged. You still not getting it? If a guy said he had a cheating phase, would you judge him for cheating? Yes or no?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 01:59 AM
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Please, by the time I lost it I had read and seen porn that would've made my non-virgin boyfriend go "people can DO that?" Lots of guys have seen porn prior to sex. If that was all it took, every male virgin would be performing like an expert first try every time. Actual experience wouldn't be necessary. Not saying a virgin can't be confident and skilled during their first time, but I wouldn’t consider that the norm.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 12:55 AM
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isn't this bout "value" for ltr as perceived by society standards? So, you believe the purpose of becoming a born again virgin is to regain value as a ltr prospect? btw, hymen can be "restored" with operation That's extreme and I highly doubt a significant enough number of women get this surgery for it to be considered.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 12:39 AM
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It really gets tiring having to explain how analogies work over and over to Redditors. Take 2 seconds to actual think about the purpose of the analogy and you'll probably get it. I believe in you.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 12:35 AM
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If someone told me they went through a reality TV phase, it wouldn't hold the same weight as someone who went through a "robbing and drugging people" phase. Either way, you're saying that you will judge them on what they did. It being a phase doesn't prevent you from making judgments. Not even doctors can tell half the time, hymens can be broken a knock and tumble during your childhood or using a tampon. How are you going to tell if they can't? You said they don't exist. How can something that d…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 12:09 AM
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On what? The idea that it's normal for most women to have sex and not tear their hymen?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 12:02 AM
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My wife was a virgin and definitely experienced pain the first few times we had sex. She had no medical condition and I was using lube.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 12:00 AM
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Men who sleep around just own the fact that they slept around. Sometimes they regret it, sometimes they don't. But rarely to they call it a hoe phase or try to pass as virgins again. This seems to be a female only phenomenon.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 11:57 PM
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Fair enough, but would we say a situation like that is the norm?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 11:46 PM
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You have to be judged in the first place to know who will and who won't.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 11:45 PM
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I think that's a justifiable reason. Feeling regretful over consensual sexual experiences, not so much.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 11:43 PM
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Clearly, the issue here isn't being experienced in bed but blatantly lying about said experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 11:41 PM
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1- The point was to show that regardless of whether someone calls their past actions a "phase" or not, people are very likely to still make judgments on those actions. So, saying it was a phase didn't really help much, did it? 3- Hymens are real. That should be a biological fact. Women can definitely feel loose, just like some women feel tight. A lot of factors play into that, though. I never made any claims about loose vaginas or labias, so, that's something you just chose to explain on your ow…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 11:38 PM
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That blank slate only works when getting into heaven. Other humans on Earth aren't obligated to overlook these things unless their name is Jesus of Nazareth.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 11:16 PM
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I'm not saying it is, and that was not the point of the example. The point was to make clear that just because you say something was a phase or in the past doesn't mean people will just completely overlook those actions as if they never happened. There's no free pass that lets one completely avoid judgment. If someone finds those actions distasteful, saying it was part of a phase is unlikely to stop them from having a negative opinion about you based on those actions anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 11:13 PM
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That's part of the reason I brought up a woman coming off as experienced in the sack alongside an already torn hymen. I know that it can be torn a number of ways, so that alone isn't solid proof.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 11:04 PM
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Jesus, the contempt for "nice guys" must be pretty bad if people can't decide between that and a murderer/rapist.
/r/AllPillDebate02/08/23 07:50 PM
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Fake "nice guy" = murderer/rapist?
/r/AllPillDebate02/08/23 07:48 PM
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Still, is not actually being as "nice" as people think the equivalent of being a convicted murderer/rapist?
/r/AllPillDebate02/08/23 07:47 PM
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Other dudes dick matter does stay inside their vaginas forever lmao Yeah, the time period matters. And if you're going down on a chick you're not exclusive with then that could very likely be the case. Was watching a woman tell a story on a show where she let this guy she was seeing go down on her after her ex was raw dogging her earlier that day. She laughed about the fact that she could feel the jizz from her ex go into this guys mouth as he ate her out. To her that was just a funny story but …
/r/AllPillDebate02/08/23 05:43 PM
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Doesn't seem like you actually watched the video. Did you just read the title and start making assumptions? I'll give you the benefit of the doubt tho. What talking points of hers specifically did you take issue with?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 06:32 PM
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The fact that you don't see the clear irony in telling people to stop complaining about life circumstances while you're out here complaining a out the kids you chose to have with the man you chose to father them, is honestly mind boggling. Hello pot, meet kettle.
/r/AllPillDebate01/08/23 05:28 PM
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Complain about all the shit that’s wrong in their lives (that they caused) and still end up bitter and alone So, this applies to you as well then.
/r/AllPillDebate01/08/23 04:45 PM
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PickMe in the video How does she qualify as a PickMe? Are we just calling any married woman a PickMe now?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 12:44 PM
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Do you have an answer?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/23 09:10 PM
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As opposed to the lack of career and social success he had when he was younger? Assuming nothing else about him changed except advancing his career and social standing, his options should be better, not worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/23 09:05 PM
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They'll have a better chance than when they were average and broke aside from just having more opportunities to being at parties with said women when they were younger. But yeah, definitely not a guarantee.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/23 08:01 PM
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women are saying looks aren’t the only thing that matters. They deny that it's the most important thing. In fact, sometimes it's all that matters. Evident by the numerous women who will ignore glaring red flags and character flaws of men they think are fine. Then claim the dude was a narc the whole time, yet they stayed since the beginning.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/23 07:49 PM
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so they have more time for their fun stuff. Work counts as "fun stuff?"
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/23 02:31 PM
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Also, being liberal leaning makes you an automatic feminist? Too many leaps in logic here with no middle ground
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/23 07:40 PM
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Or they just like men who are unique and exotic. Or are only liberals allowed to try new things? Since when did being conservative coincide with race loyal dating?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/23 07:32 PM
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No exact rule of thumb here since different guys have different tolerances, but I'd say if you're exceeding double or triple your countries' average, then you're likely hitting that point. Women should know when they start to worry about their own count or feel like they'll need to lie if ever asked.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/23 12:12 PM
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Sure, women have always been free to vet men on the same exact criteria. I have close friends who have point blank admitted that sleeping around so much has made it difficult for them to stay committed to a single partner and not cheat. It does, in fact, go both ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/23 12:06 PM
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There are guys on here who want to shag around and be promiscuous Wanting to be promiscuous is the same as having been promiscuous now? Unless they plan to get into an open relationship, I don't see how their desire to sleep around would be quenched by entering into a committed relationship with a promiscuous woman. That would literally be the only benefit a guy could potentially gain by doing that if he wants to be promiscuous as you describe. They're not going to be compatible with someone cha…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/23 11:46 AM
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Again, what are they telling you to "choose wisely?" Just because your elders regretted their life decisions doesn't mean mine did. My great grandmother was married, had 11 kids, and lived to over 100. She didn't regret any of those decisions and cherished family above all else. Everybody has choices.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/23 05:54 AM
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choose wisely? Choose what wisely? A life partner? Women put up with a lot of shit Men don't? Life was a cakewalk for older men?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/23 05:08 AM
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If they didn’t turn religious, they wouldn’t have this issue. Why do you think they suddenly chose to turn to religion, and what made them feel the need to be "saved?"
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/23 04:45 AM
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So, you don't believe she enjoyed her marriage? Think she would have preferred choosing her career and the City Girl lifestyle over the family and the life she had?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/23 04:42 AM
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However the guys on here who want to shag around then complain that they can't find love have only themselves to blame when they rule out the only people they're actually compatible with. What does sleeping around have to do with finding love? Those two things don't have to be correlated at all. And wouldn't a promiscuous person be more compatible with another promiscuous person?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/23 12:57 AM
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You can't gain experience on how to pleasure your partner within the confines of a committed relationship? Would a woman be incapable of giving her husband a good BJ without first fellating a dozen or so guys prior?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/23 10:33 PM
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but I also don’t see how this point is relevant as the topic is “i think promiscuity is inherently bad, here is proof" That's not the topic. The question I asked in the post is whether men should vet women on their promiscuous past. I don't necessarily claim it to be good or bad. You provide a good reason why men should vet for it, by pointing out that their promiscuity could be a byproduct of other internal issues. I agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/23 09:36 PM
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Women who have had good sex in their past will work hard to make future sec good and will keep trying. Not always. Some women don't want to have to teach their husbands how to perform like their exes or past flings. Also, multiple things go into good sex that could make it more or less enjoyable. Not all performance based. All you’re saying is that men don’t have empathy about this situation and would rather feel insecure than work on improving sex in the future. What about the empathy for men w…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/23 08:36 PM
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literally uses one woman who was more likely than not emotionally troubled prior to being promiscuous. 700+ women in the comments under this video agreeing with her. sometimes your husband/wife isn’t always gonna be your best sexual partner Damn, sucks to be that partner. imo the idea that your wife/husband should be is kinda delusional. Who would want the person they're planning to spend their life with to be the best they've ever had? Sounds horrible? but you’ll have to actively communicate an…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/23 08:27 PM
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After the initial lay you mean. Chad, or on this case Chris, will get the ONS or FWB arrangement, then the "what are we speech," a few months later. As is customary with the usually smash & pass life cycle. Rinse and repeat until Steve the accountant becomes the white knight she apparently was looking for all along.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/23 07:29 PM
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The main girl in the video wasn't a prostitute and the most of the other girls having the same issue aren't prostitutes as far as we know. Yet all suffering from the same issue and claiming it is mostly because of their promiscuous pasts. They are the ones stating that themselves. I only singled this comment out because the 8 years of faking it really blew my mind and she's not pushing the religious angle as much as some of the other commenters.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/23 07:20 PM
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Interesting. So, have women's lives drastically improved since the sexual revolution? Are they getting better results than they did before? Are they more fulfilled? Happier?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/23 07:09 PM
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Still avoiding the obvious question, which is how you can say something is the best you've experienced without comparing with other things you've experienced? Saying something is good or enjoyable in the moment isn't the same as saying it's the best. If your friends claimed their men were the best, then clearly they made a comparison to come to that conclusion.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/23 07:05 PM
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The result I'm referring to is not fully enjoying sex with the hubby. Whether we're talking the women here who had a ton of bad sexual experience, or more accurately, experiences from a lifestyle they regret vs the women who experienced better and find sex with their husbands mediocre, the result of them not enjoying sex with their husbands as a result of previous experiences is still the same. The argument has always been that the past can affect your future relationships. It's not specific to …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/23 07:00 PM
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Can you just answer the questions?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/23 06:52 PM
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I know for a fact that you can't say that something is the best without once thinking about how it is superior to the competition. Imagine walking into a car dealership and asking the dealer, bring me the best car here. He brings you a car and you ask, "why is this the best car here?" He responds, "I don't know, I don't compare cars, it just is." You would believe this dealer? You would likely think he either A. doesn't know what he's talking about or B. is lying and did compare cars but is just…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/23 06:50 PM
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How would they know? They don't compare? If you asked them what's better about their current partner, how could they answer that question without making a comparison?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/23 06:34 PM
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That's easily disproven with one simple question. Are any of them with the self-proclaimed best men they have been with, or at least men better than their exes?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/23 06:30 PM
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Does the distinction matter if the end result is the same?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/23 06:26 PM
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Dead serious. Are relationships/marriages better or worse now than in the past? Did women always suffer a orgasm drought or is this a recent phenomenon?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/23 06:02 PM
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Do you believe God "took" her desire for sex with her husband? That makes sense? Is God against sex between a husband and wife? She even says herself that God wants sex and children to occur within matrimony. So, clearly, there's a contradiction. And considering that she brings up her past relationship trauma in direct relation to her lack of sex drive in her current relationship, I think it's a lot more likely her past relationships arr the cause. She admits as much herself despite the initial …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/23 05:27 PM
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If she enjoyed her life so much, why did she feel the need to be "saved?" Why do so many women try to hit the reset button and get saved or become born again virgins if the streets are so enjoyable? Why ever leave that life behind? That's like someone saying, "I loved my job and made 500k a year but decided to quit to work at Cosco." That would make sense to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/23 05:07 PM
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THIS woman feels that way, this doesn’t mean that every woman does. Doesn't matter. The questions being asked are can the past effect your future relationships and should men continue to vet a woman's past just like they vet numerous other things when looking for a LTR partner? I say yes to both but you're free to disagree and make a counterargument against either point.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/23 05:01 PM
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There wouldn’t be a massive orgasm gap if religion didn’t spend so long suppressing women’s sexuality. So, women were having "orgasm gaps" in the past? Have marriage and relationships gotten better or worse?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/23 04:56 PM
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The other examples you’re talking about can’t really be discussed because you haven’t posted them. Fair enough. Here are a few other comments: @Valerie Bruno: I used to escorted before I got married now I feel doomed to never enjoy sex again it's been 8 years of faking it hating every moment its such a chore @Tatyanna: This definitely was so needed currently a struggle as I heal from past relationships This comment above is closer to my real point. People in this thread keep focusing on religion…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/23 04:53 PM
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I'm not single, I'm married. And just because there are women who reach the point you reached doesn't mean there aren't also women who end up like her or the hundreds of women in her comments in similar situations. Or do their experiences not matter?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/23 04:45 PM
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Please watch the video before commenting. It's not even really about religion.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/23 04:41 PM
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That include the 700+ women in the comments agreeing with her?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/23 04:39 PM
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Sigh, I can tell nobody actually watched the video. She didn't say she was bored of sex with her man, she said that the kind of sexual relationships she had in the past caused her to start viewing sex in general negatively and feel wrong even when doing it within marriage. So, literally, her baggage from her promiscuous past carried over into her current relationship, preventing her from enjoying sex with a man who loves and committed to her.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/23 04:37 PM
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One religious woman talks about how her religion demonize sex and other religions women agree. You have it reversed. She explains herself that it was her past experiences that gave her a tainted view on sex, not religion. Religion is what helped her rationalize why sex with her husband should feel good and is the most sacred sex that can be had. What religion is against married couples having sex? That's her own personal baggage. She likely found religion to help her alleviate that baggage. She …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/23 04:30 PM
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Doing regular household chores is leadership now?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/23 09:12 PM
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What makes you think men are more capable leaders than woman? Women are free to marry a follower if they prefer and wear the pants in the relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/23 09:10 PM
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I don't know anything about Ethan Slater. All I know is that women have choices. What they need to do is look at all the good men in their lives. Friends, friends husbands, fathers, brothers, etc. Then then ask themselves why they aren't with men that have traits similar to what they men they consider to be "good men" are. Because clearly, good men exist. They need to examine the difference between the woman that end up with these men and themselves. Oftentimes it's usually an issue with attitud…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/23 06:22 PM
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The people who do all that today are still predominantly men. Hunters, soldiers, engineers, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/23 01:39 PM
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Even so, the ladies pick who they pick. Doesn't matter how many good men they are if they find "nice guys" boring. I've known multiple women like this. Constantly complaining about the men they date but then only interested in dating certain men with red flags. Some women find toxic men irresistible for various reasons. Usually, it's something internal within these women. It could be insecurity, it could be that their used to an environment of abuse, maybe they find an environment of chaos and i…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/23 12:43 PM
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I don't think you quite understood what I was saying. Those two options I gave are what a guy should do instead of asking directly. For the reasons I stated which you confirmed. She'll likely either lie (make the number lower or higher) or give some feminist rant to "show him."
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/23 01:56 PM
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This assumes that both options are hot. The poster in the article talks about forgoing getting a hot guy to focus on a "nice guy." I think the implication is she's tired of Chad and willing to settle for Beta Brad. That's definitely AFBB. What your describing is women going from a fukboi Chad to a hotter, family oriented Chad? That's a completely different scenario.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/23 07:52 AM
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Or, he could date a nice woman without a history of bad decisions, self-destructive tendencies, enough baggage to make an airport blush, and isn't past her prime?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/23 07:46 AM
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Let me ask you something. What do you think is the average body count for men in a lifetime?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/23 06:03 AM
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He asks her at some point when her body count is. She says 6. If he's not going to believe her answer then there's no point in asking if he's going the long route anyway. And it's not unusual for someone your dating to want to get to know your friends, family, etc. That's the beauty of this method. It's not obvious because learning more about the people close to who you're dating is normal. Nobody has to know the underlying intentions or suspect there are any to begin with. Or a dude buying clot…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/23 05:59 AM
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There's only 2 real ways. One is the long way and one is the short way. The long way requires getting to know her family and friends, her exes if any of them are around, the goal being to uncover the truth through her reputation. Guys nowadays call this getting the hoefax. The short way is pretending to be an extremely liberal male feminist whose gung-ho about female promiscuity and hookup culture. Most women want to tell on themselves, but they don't ever want to be judged for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/23 03:33 AM
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Men have always given a shit. But they realized that if they ask point blank, they'll either A. not get an honest answer or B. get bombarded with a feminist tirade. Phrases like "can't turn a hoe into a housewife" and "multiple by 3" exist because men care and those phrases are old.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/23 03:26 AM
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Blame your fellow women. So many admit to lying about their count when asked and encourage other women to do the same. Men can no longer trust blindly.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/23 01:07 AM
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So then, if a man encounters a non-feminine woman, he should assume he's not the right man and not even bother. This I can agree with at least.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 07:22 PM
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Or he's blue pilled and just figured "being himself" finally paid off. Guys who lack dating experience and knowledge about how women think are lambs to the slaughter, especially if they were raised believing blue pilled rhetoric like nice guys winning on the end or "happy wife, happy life."
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 07:02 PM
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Why would a man want to invest in a woman who might maybe become feminine over time if he jumps through a number of hoops versus a woman that's feminine to begin with? She could very well be a masculine woman, whose always been masculine, and always will be masculine. He has no way to know that she's guaranteed to pull a 180 in personality if he plays certain cards in the right order.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 06:26 PM
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Usually, when someone is referred to as a betabuxx, the implication is that they didn't necessarily know they were the betabuxx. You make it sound like the guy intended to be betabuxx. For example, girl spends her 20's chasing Chad's and having ONS with guys she's highly physically attracted to. However, let's assume she couldn't get those guys to commit and she's turning 34. She wants security and a family, so she starts prioritizing guys with good careers. Lands a senior engineer with mid look…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 06:10 PM
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Young women just sleep with guys they find hot and hope they got a shred of personality. Sure, ONS happen. Nobody is denying that. However, the looks threshold that has to be met for a woman to make it that easy would be about as much as you'd need for a woman to hit on you. It happens, but rarely. Majority of the time some level of charm, charisma, and flirting is necessary, all of which is considered game. Any thought that goes into the interaction is game. Unless you're an above average dude,…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 05:57 PM
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Fukboi game is not the same as betabuxx game. Betabuxx is more a female dating strategy. Choosing a beta because he provides security. The guy could be oblivious that he's being settled for because he's the financial secure option, so, not really game on his end. What you're talking about sounds more like tricking. Where a guy flaunts cash for easy sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 04:45 PM
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That's bull. Even if there's initial interest, you still have to play your cards right to progress things to the next level. You could say or do something that makes her lose interest. Only in rare cases can I guy put in minimal effort or thought into flirting/dating and get away with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 04:37 PM
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Doesn't make the reverse true, though. Meaning, just fucking him doesn’t absolve you from doing the other stuff. Fucking is an equal exchange. He's still expected to bring more to the table than just that right?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 01:16 PM
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I'm sure they survived that mere 1-2 minutes of supposed awkwardness. It's not the world's job to create some utopian safespace where women are never bothered or annoyed. If they want that, they can stay at home.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 01:07 PM
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This is deliberately annoying lone women with full knowledge that it is unwanted. How can someone know for a fact before meeting a woman if it is annoying or unwanted? Are you just against all approaches unless the guy is psychic and knows for a fact she's going to be into him?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 01:03 PM
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This is what you said. someone who thinks like that might not have called themselves incels before but they still existed. You didn't make a distinction, so how exactly is someone supposed to infer that you're only talking about a small group of people who happen to be incels? Would be like if I went around using the words feminist and misandrist interchangeable. Of course, people would assume I hated feminists if I did that, and who would assume I only meant the feminists that happen to be misa…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 02:44 AM
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It's about having a choice vs. not having a choice. If it's "involuntary," then it isn't a choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 01:39 AM
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but there are men who don’t call women sluts just because they haven’t had sex. Incels didn't coin terms like whore and slut. I used to be part of a fraternity, fukbois used it all the time. But sure, let's single out incels because that's low hanging fruit. There is a movement of incels that spread pure hate not just for women but for men as well. There are assholes who get laid and assholes who don't get laid. My best friend from 3rd grade is an incel but he's white knighted for women his enti…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 01:36 AM
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Smh, there's no such thing as an incel movement or ideology. Nobody chooses to be an involuntary celibate. There are true incels and then there are people, like yourself, who misuse the term as an umbrella insult to categorize men who say things they don't like. What would even be the goal of an incel "movement?"
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 12:24 AM
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someone who thinks like that might not have called themselves incels Incel is an involuntary celibate, and it has nothing to do with how you think.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/23 10:29 PM
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Here's a question, did you meet the guy after making this list? If yes, how did you find out that he exactly checked off every item on this list? Did you just ask him bullet point by bullet point?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 08:09 PM
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This list is too nitpicky, but to each their own. Childfree alone will eliminate a lot of guys under 40 years old.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 08:03 PM
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No they don't. I know guys who get the cheeks regardless. Even a broke Chad can get a booty call arrangement without spending a dime. The reality is, the same chicks saying that men should pay to play, first, also say that sex isn't a guarantee, and second, likely have an ex/fwb they'll call after the date with Betabuxx Bill to come clap their cheeks for free. Like the old saying goes, woman make rules for Betas and break rules for Alphas. There was a time where being traditional made sense, but…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 04:49 PM
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Maybe the woman had no intention of dating him and just saw an opportunity to get free food since she's broke. So, his "impression" is likely irrelevant in that case, as he was just a meal ticket.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 02:43 PM
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Right, because no woman has ever taken a man's resources, physical capabilities, status, height, or anything beneficial from the relationship into account outside of a nice personality. Nobody has ever divorced because of a guy not being "ambitious enough" because something something love, death do us part, and all that.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 11:39 PM
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Maybe I'm the one splitting hairs here, but rarely is a relationship perfect split 50/50 in the sense that you're doing all the same things you did when you were single. What happens is a couple compromises on who takes what chores or tasks. Maybe one person doesn't like yead work but prefers to cook, maybe one person does the dishes while the other does the trash, it's about compromise. If there's no compromise and everyone is just carrying their own weight separate from one another, that doesn…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 10:24 PM
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From what I gathered, the guy I was responding to asked why a guy doesn't do all the same work, including housework, he did single while in a relationship. My question is, if a woman he's dating and bringing into his life isn't going to alleviate any burdens, how does he benefit from progressing that relationship beyond just casual dating? If anything, he benefits more staying a bachelor at that point and dating/sleeping around.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 10:09 PM
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If he's doing both, why does he need her outside of sex? If she isn't contributing anything, then she's not an asset and not worth committing to.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 09:47 PM
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There are more girls like that than men like Tate. So, he'll never run out of supply of thirsty women.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 03:19 PM
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Because only hot people are bullies? Average people can be bullies, too. All it takes is feeling you're better than others and self justifying harassing them.
/r/AllPillDebate22/07/23 01:48 PM
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If a woman is consistently ignoring red flags, that's usually a sign that she has issues. Those issues can be as minor as insecurity or something more major. Think about it, a normal person who comes across a individual with a track record of cheating or jumping from relationship to relationship, is going to see the clear red flag and just pick someone without that issue. Let alone pick someone with that red flag over and over again. Like the saying goes, "the definition of insanity is doing the…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/23 09:39 PM
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You think it's better to marry for socioeconomic status than love?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/23 09:11 PM
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That usually is how it works. Like attracts like. Water finds its own level. Someone who is consistently attracted to toxic individuals is usually toxic themselves. There are probably traits that should be a red flag but that they find attractive for some reason, and they pick those individuals before other more stable options. For example, some people find inconsistency exciting and stability boring. Those individuals will date people who consistently keep their lives in chaos. Then they'll com…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/23 12:34 PM
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This may be surprising, but most men don't judge the "caliber" of a woman, in terms of what would make her a good wife or mother, on her career or salary. Why couldn't a barista have the qualities of a good wife? Nurturing, caring, homemaking skills, etc. Those things increase if she becomes a CEO?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/23 12:16 PM
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Yes, a woman who expects to be compensated for dates and sexual access sounds like an escort. IMO, only traditional women can have such expectations because they were raised traditional. A modern woman expecting this is hypocritical.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 07:32 PM
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You mentioned fertility didn't you? If a guy is compensating a woman for her fertility, then that means he's compensating her for access to her body, ie sex and her bearing his children. So sex was included in the things you felt a woman should be compensated for. You can't have kids without sex. Otherwise, fertility shouldn't be relevant in this conversation. And how is paying for beauty relevant if a guy isn't sleeping with the woman? Should he pay every pretty lady he's in proximity of?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 07:28 PM
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I'm saying that you ultimately made a choice on who to be with. If it sucks you can choose any of the other billions of men on this planet. It's that simple.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 07:03 PM
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The way you initially phrased it was that he's paying for her beauty and fertility. Then you said he's paying for her potential SMV drop? Which made less sense. Either way, this sounds transactional. Escorts don't just get paid for sex. They get paid to show up to events with guys or to show up at a dinner with a guy. Or we can talk about Sugar Babies who also get paid to go on dates with men and pretend to be a guy's girlfriend for compensation. So, again I ask, what's the difference between wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 06:59 PM
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You don't CHOOSE who you date, have sex with, and have kids with?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 04:23 PM
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You can't be serious. Most grown adults who have dated know that sex isn't a guarantee. Even of some random people did assume that it's not his responsibility what other people assume. The point of a date is to get to know someone. If you feel you should be compensated for your mere presence, then how's that any different from an escort?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 04:19 PM
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paying for dinner is a small token of appreciation, as those things are much more valuable than a meal. Only if he's getting access to those things, AKA clapping the cheeks and showing her off. Otherwise, he's just some dude who bought a woman free food. What's there to be appreciative about if you got nothing in return?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 02:23 PM
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Women on PPD are vetting for personality, morals When? After the party phase? Sure, you occasionally get the girls on PPD who say their trads, vet guys equally on body count, like short guys, like nerds, and prioritized personality in morals consistently when dating, but those women are usually the minority on PPD. Majority just tell guys to touch grass whenever topics like body count or vetting get brought up. The advice goes in one ear and out the other. How many times of men on here said that…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 11:02 PM
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Lol, those aren't real relationships. Most of the time when women talk about situationships, it's almost always just a sexual arrangement, they just want to delude themselves into it being more than that.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 08:47 PM
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Nothing wrong with being picky, but if the goal is not to get smash & passed and not be used as a tool for masterbation, you have to be vetting for the right things. Women on PPD get criticized for vetting on things like height, looks, and charisma. Things that are useless for gauging a guys morals or interest. Nobody has an issue with vetting in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 06:43 PM
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Makes about has much sense as a man who can only be masculine when his woman is feminine. If she's nurturing and accepting, then maybe he'll be motivated to provide structure and security?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 03:29 AM
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It all depends on how the relationship goes. If you're going to treat marriage like your standard boyfriend and girlfriend relationship, why not just stay boyfriend and girlfriend? What's the point of potentially adding more commitment when realistically you're not any more committed than you were previously?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 11:34 PM
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So, in your culture, it's a temporary commitment that ends once you grow bored or unsatisfied?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 05:37 PM
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The question is simple: Did you live up to your vows or not? Till death do us part. If the answer is no, then that means your marriage failed. You can spin it however you want, but not everybody is cut out for lifelong commitments like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 12:51 PM
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mutually dissatisfying or abusive relationships: hence the higher divorce rate. Being with someone for 70+ years will occasionally be dissatisfying. If someone is expecting excitement 24/7 for the rest of their life, marriage likely isn't for them. Nobody on this planet can keep another person entertained or content every day for their entire lives. If you see divorce simply as a stage in a relationship, just like marriage, it can be positive or negative depending on the exact circumstances. A d…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 09:16 AM
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I think that number includes women up to 50. It likely seems too low to younger men since millennial and Gen Z women seem to sleep around a lot more than what used to be normal. If I was forced to guess, I'd assume millennial and Gen Z female average is closer to 12-15. Edit: Also, consider that women are staying unmarried into their 30's much more often nowadays. Since they're single for a longer period of time, they have more time to sleep around. As opposed to older generations who got marrie…
/r/AllPillDebate17/07/23 02:27 PM
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Hard to put an exact number to it, since most guys don't have a specific number by which they filter out women. It's more of a knee-jerk reaction. When a woman's count exceeds a guys tolerance, he'll instinctually get the ick. However, if we were going to be super analytical about it, I'd say a number that we'll exceeds the average. I think the average for women in the West was between 6-8, but don't quote me on that. Germany is likely way higher. So, I'd say if a woman starts going well into do…
/r/AllPillDebate17/07/23 02:15 PM
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Each guy can pick and choose their favorite reasons for avoiding high n count women. Bottom line is that there's numerous reasons not to do it and very few pros to offset the cons.
/r/AllPillDebate16/07/23 11:49 PM
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When someone says, "men say they’re interested in overweight women," of course, most people are going to assume you're speaking in generalities. Not just about a small handful of guys. Would have been clearer if she had specified by saying "some" men like overweight women.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 03:06 PM
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Yeah, but he didn't do any of those things, so how is it relevant here?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 02:28 PM
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How is she helping exactly? She was given terms to a relationship she agreed to for a time. No actual "abuse" was done to her. Jonah likely has or will present similar terms to his new girl, and she can decide for herself to accept or decline. What does the ex not liking said terms have to do with his current woman? It's literally just to stur up controversy. Imagine if men did that. Pulled up every argument they've had with an ex girlfriend and sent that to her current man claiming its to help …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 02:27 PM
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I find it disheartening but not entirely unexpected. There's a very good reason why marriage rates are at historic lows. In a hedonistic society, the concept of marriage doesn't appeal to people outside of being a status symbol.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 02:18 PM
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men say they’re interested in overweight Are you trolling? When has the majority of men ever said they like fat chicks? You’re right though my friends and I dating short men does help to prove that’s the case It proves the case for you and your friends liking short men, but not for the majority of women. Some men do have a thing for fat chicks, but I wouldn’t claim that to be the majority if men. That's more of a niche group, not representative of the standard.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 01:14 PM
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Sure, if conflate compatibility with attraction. You can like how someone looks and their personality, but maybe their life plans and yours don't align. Example, they want kids and you don't. In think you can still be attracted to who someone is as a person but admit that your goals don't align and go separate ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 01:10 PM
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Actions speak louder than words. Men will always pay more attention to the kinds of men the majority of women are seen actively pairing up with or fawning over.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 01:06 PM
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That's an inaccurate description of what happened. He never implied losing attraction to her. He had requirements he wanted of a serious girlfriend, and when she refused to abide by those requirements he made the logical decision to end the relationship because they were incompatible.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 01:04 PM
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When looking to date,especially when starting off as friends first, the physical standards start lowering the more she starts liking you for you. That's a recipe for landing a chick whose going to eventually cheat on you, monkeybranch, or at worst commit paternity fraud by having Chad's baby and saying it's yours. Worst thing I guy can do is get with a girl who feels like she's settling for him and can do much better, but decided to give him a chance despite thinking she's out of his league. If …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 01:00 PM
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Beyoncé is only with JZ for business reasons, not because she likes him in any way or has somehow forgiven him. That's entirely speculation. She's never said anything alluding to not wanting to be with Jay. All we know for a fact is that she's been loyal to him all these years, and it doesn't seem likely she will leave him in this lifetime. If you have to feel needed to stay in a marriage, that marriage wasn’t based on love How does this make any sense? Why would you not want the person you made…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 10:14 AM
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And there are reasons like tax benefits, easier paperwork, hospital visitations, being close family officially, etc. All of which is offset by the stress and costs of a divorce, going to court, splitting assets, possibly having to pay alimony, possibly having to give up the house, likely losing primary custody of the kids, having to coordinate the sharing of kids and always having to deal with your ex and their potential new partner when you want to take the kids anywhere or move, having to pay …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 09:41 AM
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What does a ride or die relationship look like in your opinion? A ride or die as in she will stick with a guy no matter what? Prime examples being Sharon Osbourne or Beyoncé. The world will keep on spinning even if she’s not with you You realize most men get married and have kids with the intention of that being for life, right? Do you think men would invest years of their life, resources, and offspring to a woman if they knew she would just dip out later? If we're going to start treating marria…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 09:29 AM
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You’d have to make up a reason as to why you should divorce You should have a legitimate reason. If you have to make something up, then you likely don't have a good reason to divorce. People can definitely still hold up divorces, but there is no need to hire someone to be “caught” with your spouse at a hotel. Someone who goes through the trouble of doing that rather than working on their marriage has mental issues. You can just move out! Divorce! It’s simple comparatively. Why should anyone take…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 03:49 AM
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Were they all really "together" though? Yes, they were. There's nothing wrong with joking about the hardships that come with a lifelong relationship like that. Should they only ever talk about the good times and the high points? That would be unrealistic though. Real life isn't like the romcoms. Lots of people joke about the difficulty of having kids and how they lose sleep and freedom. That doesn't mean that they regret having them or don't love their kids. It starts as a promise and ends as an…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 09:41 PM
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I feel like it's impossible to really choose a "ride or die" person who will always love you or need you. There's never going to be a 100% way to know if someone will stay with you forever. You cam vet various aspects to improve you chances tho. One way is to wait out the honeymoon period. Another is point blank asking if they want or need you and seeing what they say. Though it'll be weird too ask a question like that early in a relationship. All you can do is vet in various ways to mitigate th…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 08:15 PM
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Needed, definitely. Any guy who doesn't marry a ride or die in Western society is playing Russian Roulette on the chances she won't lose interest and leave him. That's just the world we live in now. However, the need I'm referring to is more emotional. She feels she needs you and can't live without you because she loves you so much. Doesn't have to have anything to do with needing tangible things from you like money, resources, protection, etc. Though that can play into the factors of why she lo…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 07:28 PM
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You kind of went off on a tangent there, but what's the ideal dating strategy you're proposing now? For men and women to just be completely indifferent to what their partners want and just do what they want all the time? How does that work out usually?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 07:02 PM
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Despite popular belief, men are not born knowing how to exhibit the perfect amount of socially acceptable masculinity. It would be like saying all women should inherently know how to be feminine, submissive, and exhibit all the positive qualities men look for in a wife or in the potential mother of their children. And if most men did just know, there wouldn't be so many women complaining about guy doing too much or too little. Simping and all that other stuff they find a turn off. The lack of kn…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 06:34 PM
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OP listed some good ones in his post, but I can list a few more and explain why their contradictory. Being emotionally unavailable and not opening up to a female partner Yet crying or getting emotional at the wrong time can cause many women to lose interest. Sitting with the legs spread is what women are calling manspread Yet, like OP mentions, guy sitting with his legs crossed is what a lot of women see as too feminine. Many instances of men going out of their way to help women that appear to n…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 04:58 PM
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Take his waiter example. Waiter ignores guy, guy patiently waits till he gets his attention, girl he's with thinks he's too passive. Not a perfect example but lots of situations where being calm and patient can be perceived as passive and agreeable/feminine. Point is, lots of situations that can be perceived as feminine or not masculine enough from an angle. Depends on the woman and most guys won't know until they trigger they negative perception for her.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 04:31 PM
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Difference is, when women are feminine, men don't call it toxic. So, it's a whole lot less confusing. I'm not saying you're wrong, but when women say they want men to be more masculine but also say being too masculine it toxic, it becomes contradictory. Which I think is a point OP was making.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 04:25 PM
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Ah, so be macho men but not too manly or that's toxic masculinity. Makes perfect sense...
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 03:41 PM
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In an attempt to avoid those unfavorable behaviors, men will become what women claim is stereotypical toxic masculine behaviors. Emotionally unavailable, aggressive, arrogant, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 03:38 PM
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Men did provide more economically. Wholly agree that their inability to do so now is on the economy and not on them as individuals Regardless, if a woman wants a guy that can afford the same as a average dude in the 1950's, it'll require a guy making well into six figures. We're talking a top 10% earner, well above average. That's dependent on our economy. The majority of men cannot be held responsible for not meeting that metric. And women "respected" men's opinions because they didn't have any…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 02:33 PM
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Men in the 1950s provided more economically. No, they didn't. They made less than we do now. But the cost of living was way cheaper. Your average factory worker could afford a decent house, car, and support a wife and kids on his salary alone. That same job today would barely be a livable wage for a single person. The average wages did not scale to inflation. Men in the 1950s had all pretty much just gotten back from war, which is significantly more masculine than anything most men do today. Sur…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 01:26 PM
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If you're only 20, then it makes sense that you haven't found someone yet. It's far too soon to be talking about settling. Usually, the women who find themselves still single at 35 and talk about not settling, just didn't want to pair of with men they qualified for. If I after 10-15 years, I couldn't land a girl who looks like Hallie Barry in her prime, would accepting a less attractive woman be settling or coming to terms with what I actually deserve?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 03:32 AM
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kick the George Costanza guys to the curb? That doesn't already happen? You think a guy who looks like George Costanza gets much action?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 02:26 AM
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Settling for men at your level? If the men you want aren't committing then you likely don't meet their standards. How is it settling when that's the best you can attract? That's your level.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 02:19 AM
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You think men who put in the work to become above average are going to pair off with average women?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 02:16 AM
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Men have a bigger issue with inconsistency than waiting.
/r/AllPillDebate14/07/23 10:57 PM
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The problem is average men are not interested in average women. The traits I mentioned make a woman above average? Which traits are unachievable by average women? Plain looking men want supermodels not average, plain women. Easily disproven by all the average and obese chicks that get laid and relationships. I even said myself that the majority of women meet the attractive standard. The bar isn't that high. Most guys lower that standard easily, especially for sex. Men expect housewives and stay-…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/23 10:31 PM
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So, what's your counterclaim here? That women aren't marriage material because they don't think men are marriage material? Then I'm still correct in saying that most aren't marriage material. However, feel free to prove me wrong by listing out all the things the majority of women nowadays are bringing to the table and the male standards being met.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/23 09:33 PM
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Most guys who don't want to be dads or have a kid with a woman say so point blank. But sure, let's talk about the situation where a guy supposedly says he want a woman to have his kid then dips out later. Women should not be having kids with men with no legal commitment other than word of mouth promises. Actions always speak louder than words. Would you agree to work a job for 9 months with no contract and just the word of mouth promise that they'll pay you at the end? Well, women who choose to …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/23 09:27 PM
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Well, first, we have to define marriageable. I'm assuming you mean women most men would deem having the traits of a good wife. What are those triats? Well, let's look at what men have mostly vetted for in the past few hundred years. Beauty - I think most meet that requirement nowadays. Modesty - Those thotting it up on IG, TikTok, and OF will likely be disqualified here. Loyalty - How many have a history of monogamous relationships? How many divorce and leave their men despite vows? What's the c…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/23 04:15 PM
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You can't make a single mother. That would imply that you could force a woman to give birth to a child outside of wedlock. Which is that case for the vast majority of single mother situations. Men don't have that power. And before you bring up a dude jizzing in a chick. That alone does not guarantee a child will be born. She could be on the pill, using spermacide, take plan B, the abortion pill, have surgical abortion, or give the child up for adoption if all else fails and she doesn't want to b…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/23 03:41 PM
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make sure they don't have access to the things (porn, social media) that make them see women as sexual objects That's a pointless endeavor. Too many women sexualize themselves on IG, TikTok, OF, etc for likes, followers and profit. How is it possible to cut kids off from all social media in the digital age where everything is going digital? So long as women continue to sexualize themselves, they will always be viewed as sexual objects.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/23 03:35 PM
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Good point. All the men who can travel should test this theory next time they do. What better way to see if it applies to them or not?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/23 12:23 PM
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I agree with the conclusion of building yourself, but don't do it to get the attention of women who are addicted to instability because it provides them short-term gratification. Those women will ruin your life. If you're going to put in that work, do it for women who are actually worth it and have a track record of making good decisions.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/23 12:36 AM
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Lies by omission are tight! But in all seriousness, if I have to snoop around and investigate like Sherlock Holmes to get the whole truth then the relationship just isn't worth it. Who wants to have all that drama in their life? Nobody who values their sanity. If a woman says she wants someone to help decipher her motivations, I'll tell her to hire a psychologist or therapist. Those guys make it their careers to work through people's baggage so regular guys don't have to.
/r/AllPillDebate13/07/23 07:51 PM
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almost always an element of truth to it An "element" of truth maybe, but rarely the whole truth. They tell a version of the truth worded carefully to avoid judgment and minimize backlash.
/r/AllPillDebate13/07/23 06:58 PM
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When has someone picking you out of desperation ever been a good thing? A guy committing to a girl who feels like she's settling is one of the worst things he can do. Almost a guarantee that she'll cheat on him or divorce at some point because she only chose him because her biological clock was running out and she couldn't find any better options. But once a better option presents herself, she's out. Also, those women tend to have a bunch of emotional baggage from all the past failed relationshi…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 05:52 PM
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Like another poster said, this is a big issue in the black community. He could easily date out and be extremely successful but by black women standards (as seen in the comments), he's too squar and boring to even be considered until they "healed" or aged out of the market.
/r/AllPillDebate13/07/23 02:22 PM
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So, her statement about these women missing the ghosts of dicks past should just be completely ignored then? Also, the fact that these women all had good men but still cheated? How do you think men should vet for that, then?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 11:42 AM
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the ones you’d never suspect…look many women settle for men who don’t satisfy them sexually. If they had a promiscuous past, I would definitely suspect it. Past behavior is the best indicator of future behavior. But sure, maybe some conservative girls might suddenly get a craving for random dick and cheat on their husbands. The possibility of that isn't zero. She thought she has to choose between a “good man” and a man she’s sexually compatible with And her husband thought their was such a thing…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 03:54 AM
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This is what you said. 90% cheated because they wanted some good dick. That sounds like it was just about sex to me. They’ll have sex with you over a drink or slice of pizza. Yes. Certain kinds of women will. Nobody is disputing that.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 02:44 AM
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What were the body counts of the ladies craving "good dick?" Probably pretty high if they built a preference.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/23 11:24 PM
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C. I'm fine with average. Even a hot chick can get boring eventually and those looks can't last forever regardless.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/23 11:10 PM
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Why would a plain or unattractive woman be obsessed over? Does that make sense to you? Plain Janes need to be content with the attention they already get and stop obsessing over what hotter women have. They're too focused on the Stacies getting Chad's attention when they could be dating one of the Betas they keep in the friendzone. Kevin Hart was right when he said that sometimes the best thing you can do for yourself and stay in your lane and stop constantly trying to box above your weight clas…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/23 10:42 PM
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You know multiple women who create a Tinder account and get zero matches? I call 🧢
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/23 08:26 PM
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You don’t think someone realizes adding criteria lowers the dating pool? That is the entire point. Cool, but then you can't make claims that finding someone who will love you is difficult, when in reality, it's only as difficult as you make it. There's a difference between a guy saying, "I can't find a woman who likes me" vs "I can't find a woman who likes me that looks like Jennifer López and has a PHD." Those are vastly different statements.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/23 07:34 PM
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This is coming from a guy who probably believes the hot chick should fall for him because of his personality Naw. When I was a kid who used to wrestle, I naively believed my personality meant more than my looks and muscles. Obviously, I learned better. If anything, my innocent nature was a turn off for girls. They preferred it when I was quiet/stoic and standoffish, for reasons I didn't understand until I was redpilled. Both men and women have naive beliefs they eventually have to grow out of. T…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/23 06:17 PM
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all the guys at the coffee shop wanting the unattractive girl This is your issue. You're conflating less attraction with no attraction. Unattractive women get less attraction from guys. A woman would have to be extremely unattractive to have no guys interested in them at all. Plenty of mid and fat chicks get relationships or at least hookups. How often do you come across a chick so unattractive that no guys want to touch her? Who get zero matches on Tinder? Very rare.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/23 05:15 PM
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I don't think women being selective is a problem. They should be selective. Being selective about the wrong things is an issue. They should be selective about a man's reputation, goals, values, morals, etc. Those shouldn't take a backseat to his charm, swag, confidence, etc. Traits that will maintain a relationship long-term should be prioritized over short-term gratification.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/23 04:26 PM
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Acknowledging that someone else is attractive doesn't by default mean that you're unattractive or less attractive than them. And there are rarely girls that go completely unnoticed. Getting noticed less than their prettier friend doesn't equate to Getting zero interest from men. It just may not be the exact same caliber of men as the prettier friend.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/23 04:21 PM
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He's over 10 years her senior. So, he's getting an attractive younger woman he can bang. She's clearly mostly in it cause he provides money and security, though she'll never admit that. It's a clear example of Betabuxxing but this guy isn't a victim since he accepted this deal. Not worth it in my opinion, way too much emotional baggage from all the Chad's she let smash and pass. She's over 40 yet I haven't seen this much relationship drama since I was in high school. Couldn't be me.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/23 03:31 PM
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Losing looks and aging aren’t the same thing. their partner is as beautiful It seems you're conflating 2 different things. Your attractiveness to the general public is not the same as your attractiveness to a significant other. These discussions aren't really targeted towards women who are already taken. Why should a married woman care about her attractiveness to the general public when she's no longer on the market? Post marriage, all that matters is what her husband thinks. He's the one that's…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/23 03:15 PM
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This. My wife's friend recently had her first boyfriend at 40. Know what she was doing the decades prior? Chasing Chad's, having hookups, FWBs, being the side chick to a married man, etc. And she had major self esteem issues, is not taking the Wall well. She's definitely been single for a reason. Now she's dating a guy she doesn't want to have sex with but has money, and is still in contact with her ex fling who she couldn't keep her hands off. This is betabuxxing in real time.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/23 02:10 PM
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If you say so. Regardless, how your dad views your mom isn't going to be the same as how he views some random post middle age woman he doesn't know or care about. He has history and children with your mom, so obviously, he's biased. This is why single women trying to compare themselves to dude's wives just doesn't work. There is history, loyalty, and family there. There's none of that with a guy they just met, so he's going to judge at face value. What reason does a single guy have to give older…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/23 01:24 PM
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You've read essays that people have written about their partner aging online? Really?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/23 01:10 PM
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A lot of women are relying on BBLs to get the ass to waist ratio seen in #3. Edit: However, I take back that assumption. Looking closer, I think she just used heels, posture, and a good camera angle to accentuate her curves.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/23 01:07 PM
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You can love your partner and still acknowledge that they age. You think a woman whose man gained weight and went bald looks exactly as he did when they first met in his 20’s? Doesn't mean she loves him less for it though. However, you're not going to go out of your way to point out your partners deterioration. Why would you? Comparing that to guys talking about women they don't know or care about on the internet is ridiculous. These women online are strangers they have no feelings for, so of co…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/23 01:04 PM
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3 if it's real and not all silicone and surgery.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/23 12:59 PM
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Why go for a man who thinks I lose my looks That's just an inevitable fact of aging. You'll be upset if a guy acknowledges the very real reality that as people age, they become less attractive? Women can judge this themselves by comparing the number of suitors they have around middle age vs their prime. That speaks for itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/23 12:57 PM
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If your metric for well written female character is how attractive they are to men, you're telling on yourself. You're completely missing the point. Let's remove attraction from the equation and just talk about character. The problem with strong female characters in Hollywood is that what a lot of writers do is they write a male character. Think your cliche action film protag. Someone who talks or acts crudely, solves most problems by fist fighting, drinks or smokes often, leads by brute force, …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/23 08:59 PM
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Rarely does a guy who regularly juggles multiple women, not have a reputation for doing so. Most women have heard the rumors yet still take the leap thinking they'll be the exception.
/r/AllPillDebate11/07/23 08:27 PM
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So we can’t point out why and how he is wrong. 2 years later? Pretty sure he's had plenty of time to realize what went wrong himself and adjust in the relationships he's had since. If you pick any random person and look at a relationship they had years ago, you're bound to find things they did wrong. It's all hindsight.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/23 03:48 PM
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Rarely does a woman in her 30's look as good naturally as she did in her early 20's. Majority of the time that isn't the case. Now, they can still look good, but not quite as good as their prime. It's a widely accepted fact that a woman's physical prime is in her early to mid 20's.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/23 02:42 AM
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Never seen that show, but the problem with what Hollywood considers "strong female," (and this translates into real life also) is that they essentially write a male character and change it to female. So you end up with a female character that acts traditionally masculine. Men aren't attracted to men or women who act like men. There seems to be some lack of understanding of how to be both strong and feminine. That's essentially the crux of the issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 10:57 PM
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Ask yourself why we're even talking about what he did in his relationship 2 years ago? Why is anyone talking about this? Why did his ex feel the need to leak their private texts?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 10:42 PM
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Did you miss the 3 previous threads discussing what he should or should not have done? And clearly his ex has beef. Why else would she be leaking disagreements they had over 2 years ago right after he had a kid? What does she stand to gain other than throwing some controversy on him out of spite?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 10:40 PM
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Plenty of people make mistakes and date people they probably shouldn't have. You live and you learn. He's got to be condemned forever for that? Should every woman whose ever dated the wrong guy have that held against them forever too?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 10:14 PM
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So it's possible to "escape" from it. Sometimes, rarely, if the feelings are mutual. If not, then one person is friendzoned and stuck in limbo until they resolve themselves to move on and find love elsewhere. Pay attention to what they do in real life. Many of them have friends they know are interested in them but don't see them as more than friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 07:54 PM
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A lot of mental gymnastics and women criticizing him for dating the woman in the first place. Maybe they're right and she was a bad match but the women in this sub talk as if they've never picked a guy who they weren't compatible with. Nobody knows the full circumstances. All we know is he was dating the chick, had an issue with some risqué photos and things of that nature, voiced his feelings about it like a normal person, and tried to end things amicably. But leave it to women to add a toxic s…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 07:51 PM
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Sure you didn't mean this comment for the other guy? I didn't propose anything. Just continued off what he was saying about how a guy (or anybody really) treats a potential romantic interest is different from how they treat a strictly platonic friend who they have no feelings for. So, if a guy shoots his shot and is told plainly that nothing will progress from there, he should adjust accordingly. Also, I think this assumed betrayal comes from the assumption a lot of women have that a guy only be…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 05:27 PM
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If I'm used to sleeping around and start dating someone who wants me to be monogamous, is it controlling of them to expect me to stop sleeping around? It's part of my identity.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 05:15 PM
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You're moving the goal post. First you say trying to change someone's habits, etc. after entering a relationship is controlling, now you're saying that it's fine so long as you think there's a justifiable reason for it? Who gets to decide what's a good reason? That's subjective.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 03:38 PM
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Sure, if scamming a guy for money is the ultimate goal and not love or a meaningful relationship. However, couldn't the same be achieved as a Sugar Baby or by starting an OF account? Or is that too on the nose?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 02:20 PM
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That's going to turn into a divorce story because one of two things will happen. One, he eventually grows a pair and stops putting up with it. Or two, she grows resentful of having a weak man and either cheats or just leaves him. Even if she's around for the assets, she can take those in the divorce. This may seem like a success story until she ages out of the market and can no longer use sexual access as a bargaining chip to lock down new successful men. But only time will tell.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 01:51 PM
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Found one too, and she's a tradwife. There's literally billions of attractive women all around. FDS is a small subset of women. It's easy to avoid them.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 01:45 PM
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Getting passed around is a flex now? Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 01:39 PM
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It is crazy but you're the one who implied him stating his boundaries for a relationship is wrong somehow.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 01:31 PM
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So, you've never had an issue with something later in a relationship that wasn't explicitly discussed at the beginning of the relationship? You've never changed your mind or discovered boundaries later on?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 01:18 PM
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So the guy isn't allowed to mention his own boundaries and what he wants in a relationship? Wild...
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 01:15 PM
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Don't be afraid to ask advice from men in your life that have no sexual interest in you, dads, brothers, cousins, etc. And think with your brain, not your emotions. As Jigsaw would say, "In choosing how to react to the situation, your life-long instincts will tell you to do one thing, but I implore you to do the opposite."
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 12:54 AM
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Put it this way. Men rarely hang out repeatedly with women they have absolutely zero attraction to. Unless some other obligation pushes them to do it, like gf's friend or family friend.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/23 11:47 PM
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If a guy was treating a woman a certain way because he had a crush and her, and she makes it clear that she wants to be treated like a platonic friend ONLY, then obviously they way he treats her will change. Can't demand to be treated as nothing more than a friend yet still expect beyond just friends benefits.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/23 11:38 PM
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18 is technically a teenager bud but also a legal adult.
/r/AllPillDebate09/07/23 06:04 PM
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That's not what's happening tho. Men who are open and honest about this preference get criticized and called misogynist, incel, etc. While women constantly demand 100 explanations as to why it matters and some even admit to lying about their count on dates when asked. Obviously, this sparks debates/arguments on this subject constantly.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/23 04:27 PM
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What reason does a man have to even care about “n count” if his ideal isn’t a woman with an “n count” of 0? Does a guy need a reason to like redheads over blondes? Does a woman need a reason to like guys over 6ft? Will understanding those reasons change the preference? Could be any reason or no reason at all. Could be as simple as just not being attracted to that. .,>The same man who frets over “n count” of any kind is going to have a panic attack thinking about “the times my ex-boyfriend deep s…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/23 04:21 PM
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Refer to my new comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/23 03:31 PM
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You're misunderstanding what's being said. It would be naive for a bi man to think that sleeping with other men won't reduce the number of women interested in him, just like it's naive for a promiscuous woman to not think building a reputation like that won't effect her dating prospects as well. Especially since this has been the case throughout most of human history across the globe. Even since biblical times, men have not viewed female promiscuity fondly and avoided marrying them. At best, it'…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/23 03:30 PM
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If a woman said she's not interested in dating men who have had sexual relationships with other men, does that equate to her wanting to stop all men who want to sex with other men from doing so?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/23 02:08 PM
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But your the one who brought up self-control and said the difference would be negligible. inexperienced, inhibited men aren’t in danger of dating promiscuous women. So, women never lie about or purposefully omit having been promiscuous to get relationships with some men? That doesn't happen? According to you, it shouldn't, since promiscuous women are only dating promiscuous men, apparently. The root of the problem is those men realize they missed milestones What milestones? They merely need to d…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/23 01:28 PM
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that a woman he dates lacks self-control, it doesn’t matter if she fucked one gorgeous, fantastic lover with an enormous dick and talented tongue 100 times, or ten men ten times. Let me ask you this, if a woman carefully selects her boyfriend and has sex with said boyfriend numerous times, what part of this shows a lack of self-control? On the flip side, if a woman slept with 100 guys, what are the chances all 100 were carefully selected?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/23 01:11 PM
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A woman cannot make promises that the first man she dates will be the one for her. If that ruins her “virgin” “personal prize” status for males, she’s left with, “who cares.” Aren't you missing a few stages between virgin and High N Count? There's also Low N count or Normal N Count. How come not liking promiscuous women always gets equated to wanting untouched virgins exclusively? 🤔
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/23 12:32 PM
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Any dude that wants to smash is going to get with a high N women for a time. Men willing to marry high N women is a much lower percentage than those willing to date short term for sexual access. It's been said many times on this sub that promiscuous men are a lot more open to taking promiscuous women. What you said is consistent with what men on PPD have been saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/23 11:55 AM
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It would make them stupid. Imagine a guy walking around in the streets in his underwear, confused as to why people are avoiding him. That's what those women look like.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/23 11:50 AM
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If a fuckton of women have very low standards for casual sex, then does that not imply that your average man can definitely get laid easily Are most women very promiscuous with noticeable high body counts?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/23 11:47 AM
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This applies to average men. Your average guy usually only sees one woman at a time and doesn't have an abundance of options, so if they're unwilling to wait then they probably mostly just wanted sex. However, this does not apply to above average men. Men who are well above average date similarly to women. A lot of women with options will go on casual dates with multiple guys in succession, until they meet one they like above the others and start focusing on that guy mostly. Depending on the wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/23 04:11 PM
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Major flaw in this is that also, guys with options and who aren't desperate won't wait 1-2 months for sex. Because they have other girls they're interested in as well who are willing to get intimate sooner. I get why women set that filter though. Better to have it then not have it I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/23 03:10 PM
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The average male isn't getting that much action. So, it's a non issue
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/23 06:33 AM
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Let's put this way. Rarely do any men aspire to marry whores. They don't want to bring them home to their mothers, they don't want them raising their children, and don't want to be seen as the guy who married the town bicycle.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/23 06:32 AM
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Lol, other men banging my wife benefits me? Having a hard time believing that.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/23 06:27 AM
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Don't know why this is even worth discussing, but of course, an attractive woman in her prime is hot to most men. Including older men.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/23 08:22 PM
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I never even made that claim, so I'm not sure what that has to do with anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/23 07:57 PM
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These little boys don't want relationships with ANYBODY. Clearly, people are still getting married this generation. So, the leftover women need to be asking themselves why they're leftover while other women are getting wifed. Or they can complain, blame everyone else, and remain chronically single.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/23 07:36 PM
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Also, what do men want other than just sex? Sounds like that's your problem right there. Any woman can provide sex. If that's all you provide, then the guy will get bored and move on to the next chick that will provide him sex. You need to think of things that make you stand out and worth keeping around. Also, you need to consider the options of the guys you're aiming for. Do they have other options? How do you compare against those other options? If your one of multiple girls this dude is seein…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/23 07:32 PM
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Men can also "get it" in 24 hours if they want. I call bull unless we include prostitution. If you closed your eyes and picked a guy at random. Then told him he had 24 hours to get laid. You really think he'd get it done easily?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/23 07:25 PM
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Escorts get paid for access to their bodies and also their time. Please explain how the scenario you presented is any different? They are getting paid for a relationship and being in a relationship. Correction. They are getting paid to pretend they are in a relationship with their customer. Many escorts offer this same exact service. The only difference is that they usually charge per date. Sugar Baby is a more long-term gig. Basically the difference between getting paid hourly vs salary.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/23 07:18 PM
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Do you see traditional masculinity as the only valid way to be a “man?” (Yes/no and why/why not). I think it's a lot harder to be successful as a man if you don't fulfill those roles. Men who go against the grain, being more emotionally vulnerable or agreeable tend to be punished by society in numerous ways. But when it comes to finding a partner, since despite what even the most liberal feminist says, most of those chicks still are seen gravitating towards traditionally masculine men. Also, how…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/23 06:02 PM
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So why would guys want virgins if they are more likely to leave later, if that's the case. They aren't tho. Statistically, virgins divorce and cheat at the lowest rates. Just because some do doesn't mean it's a common occurrence.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/23 12:26 PM
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It's funny you say that, cause I know a guy making about 250k a year in real estate but refuses to pay for his girl when they go out to eat. Why? Because he sees eating out at restaurants as a waste of money, since he can make food at home. This is what a lot of women get twisted. They assume that just because a guy makes good money, it also means he's someone who likes wasting it. Elon Musk became one of the richest men alive, yet chooses to live in a minimalist tiny box home for efficiency. No…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/23 12:07 PM
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Should a starving man resent a fat guy throwing away 3 plates of food at a buffet because the food was a 5/10 and not a 10/10? Their struggles and circumstances should be considered equal? According to you, it is. Your trying to push the idea that that having an abundance of options you don't appreciate makes you equivalent to someone with no options af all. Just because you take privileges for granted doesn't mean people are just going to forget they exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/23 11:31 AM
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Only reason I use Reddit at all
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 08:22 PM
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Not really a double standard. Opposite genders prioritize different traits for different reasons. Women tend to prioritize height and resources over male promiscuity. That's their choice. Men tend to prioritize beauty, reputation, and sexual intelligence (how she selects her partners) over things like resources or socioeconomic status/class. Different priorities. And even if we say that men aren't judged as heavily for being promiscuous, they are often judged for a lack of experience or inabilit…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 03:26 PM
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Did anyone say they couldn't be?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 02:35 PM
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Why is past experience coming up at all? Why is he telling her anything about whether he's had sex or not? I agree. It probably won't come up in the first place, so he can just omit it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 02:33 PM
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That's determined by how many people they sleep with and the frequency. Not by how many guys they slept with were virgins.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 01:55 PM
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Your approach will get you sex exactly once and then you'll be labeled a douche for lying. Which is better than not getting it at all. That's a win. Also, he won't be a virgin anymore. But hey if all you want is the sex and you don't actually care about how you affect other people, go for it. How about he mentions he's a virgin if she mentions her body count. That seem fair?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 01:54 PM
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If a woman says she's a good woman who deserves a good man, she's probably not a good woman and doesn't deserve a good man.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 01:50 PM
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If she's not above average, then that would make her no higher than a 5. Subjectively, she could be between a 3-5, depending on the guy. Not that far-fetched to believe she's a 3 to some guys. The way I see it, 1-2 is clearly unattractive; 3 is between mid and unattractive; 4-6 orbits solid average range, 7 is the cusp of attractive, and 8+ is clearly attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 08:22 PM
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The numbering system in general has never been super precise. Because men's tastes can vary greatly. Though, there are some traits people can universally agree are attractive like facial symmetry and good skin. But I always figured it was relative to who you could realistically consider dating or sleeping with. A 20 year old likely isn't going to find a 60 year old attractive because the age gap is too great. So, they can't accurately rate attractiveness of a person in that age range relative to…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 07:39 PM
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I said possibly for a reason. I accept that what I consider a 3 might not be a 3 for another guy. Some of this is personal preference. But the girl I presented is a far cry from a 10. I'm willing to give her up to a 5, but she's not above average.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 07:34 PM
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At a certain point it's subjective. If I had to make a choice it'd be the 10. It's not that hard to get enthusiastic sex if you date down, with women who are clearly enthusiastic to even have a chance with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 05:48 PM
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This is what I think of as a 3 possibly. https://images.app.goo.gl/YzvY3Y1d3KpSSeqY6
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 05:42 PM
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Most of those chicks are decently attractive tho. I'd say their around 5-6. A 3 is just two grades above the most unattractive person you can think of.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 05:37 PM
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she's gonna choose the one who is hottest, most powerful, has the most access to wealth/wealth signals, and has the most fun around. It's not hard to understand. She's going to try to get that guy, but that same guy usually has multiple options. The charts way off for multiple reasons. The most important being the marriable men section. In reality, even if there are a decent amount of marriage eligible men, doesn't mean that women want to marry all those men. Of those 15 guys she spends actual r…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 09:17 AM
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No one said that you could have boundaries or standards. And yet you had an issue with me stated I won't associate with a child of mine who sells their body. That's a clear boundary, yet you seem to take issue with it. I’m saying to completely cut them out of your life instead of actually trying to be a parent to them At what point do they become adults held responsible for their own decisions? If you're given a good upbringing and the tools to succeed yet still take the low ground anyway, then …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 05:14 AM
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Then you will make an awful parent and will die alone as your children will sense just how conditional your love is for them. Loving someone doesn't mean having zero boundaries and putting up with literally anything. And yeah, my respect and support is conditional. They would know that well in advanced. Instead of disowning them, how about you get to the root of their problems They should have had the forethought to come to me with said problems before resorting to sex work. After the fact, they…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 04:45 AM
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Naw, I draw the line at sex work. Any child of mine who becomes a stipper, pornstar, escort, or sugar baby selling access to their bodies for a quick buck, I want nothing to do with. I feel zero shame about cutting of a child I raised with morals yet actively choosing to spit in face of everything I taught them. If you're cool with your kids selling ass then more power to you I guess. You think that's good parenting? We'll have to agree to disagree.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 04:35 AM
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Is it that surprising to have standards? Where is the line exactly, if even sex work is acceptable?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 04:11 AM
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If my daughter became a sex worker in any capacity, she's dead to me. The ends don't justify the means here. Maybe her morals can be bought, but I'm not going to cosign it or be apart of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 12:47 AM
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Lol, what cope. That's just an escort with extra steps. FYI, you can pay escorts to pretend to be your girlfriend also. Literally the same as this.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 12:43 AM
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Here's the thing. I mostly agree with you, but think discussions like this are pointless. Because ultimately Chad will do whatever Chad pleases. He didn't require justification for pumping and dumping, why would he require justification to marry a virgin? Sexual strategy is amoral. Just as Stacey doesn't need an excuse to give her best years to Chad's, the betabuxxing Joe Schmoe when she's on the decline and ready to settle. Chad doesn't need to justify smashing and passing Stacey's till he even…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 12:38 AM
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This is just one of those deal breaker things because there is no compromise or middle ground. You either have kids or you don't. When it comes to having a family, if one person does compromise on it and it's something they truly wanted or didn't want, they will grow to resent their partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 02:05 PM
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Date short term? Maybe. Marry, no. I want kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 01:49 PM
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Why would you give a woman a free shot at your lifestyle and possibly your wealth? Huh? You do realize a guy isn't obligated to give her anything in exchange for sex. If it's transactional, and she had sex for him with expectations of getting access to his lifestyle and money, how is she any different from an escort at that point?
/r/AllPillDebate01/07/23 01:45 PM
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I see what you're trying to say. But this assumes what the guy does to achieve getting women isn't also beneficial to himself and what he wants to do. Things like getting in shape, making more money, and gaining confidence. Even if becoming more attractive to women is the main motivation for someone achieving those goals, it doesn't mean they had no desire to achieve those things also to improve their life. I'd say your correct if the sole reason someone makes a change is for the opposite and th…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/23 04:22 AM
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How is salary a value? FYI, not all traits are values. That's like saying being 6 ft is a value. Or liking blondes is a value.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/23 03:53 AM
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How did you take disingenuous from what he said?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/23 02:55 AM
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Seems vague. Are you trying to say that they don't know how to vet?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/23 07:22 PM
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praised Who has ever said this? They get just as much criticism, they just handle it better and go about their business.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/23 06:15 PM
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Yes, because they usually get primary custody.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/23 06:14 PM
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Naive of what exactly?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/23 05:59 PM
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I think the decline probably starts somewhere around mid to late 20s. I don't think it's noticeable for most women till their 30s. This is strictly speaking on physical appearance, not fertility. I think how noticeable or drastic the physical change is depends on various factors, mainly genetics, but also how well they've taken care of their bodies. How well do they eat, do they moisturize, work out, stay up late regularly, drink a lot, smoke a lot, do drugs, etc?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/23 04:54 PM
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It's easier for someone part of the black community to understand. Kevin Samuels explained this best. A lot of women, specifically black women, idealize what he called a thug in a suit. They want a guy whose hood but also a professional. Jay is the perfect dichotomy of the two. This was basically said point blank in the Destiny's Child song "I Need a Soldier."
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/23 07:52 PM
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Go to any self help ideology and that's going to be there. RP isn't getting any points for doing the bare minimum. There are millions of self-help books, most of which share information that has been talked about before in other mediums. Doesn't take away from message or credibility just because someone heard it somewhere else before. Maybe it took hearing it within a subject one is actually interested in to take the info to heart and finally make the changes necessary. If you read my post i'm s…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/23 05:18 PM
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Doesn't really matter where the mental issues came from. Clearly, they've made it impossible to have a healthy relationship. Thus, she's a femcel. What part of this aren't you getting? And what's my excuse for what?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/23 02:10 PM
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Sounds like she has some mental issues, which is likely why she's a femcel.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/23 01:56 PM
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If your main point of reference is Fresh & Fit, then yeah, I agree that's not the ideal platform to have an unbiased discussion. Unfortunately, a lot of the younger guys gravitate towards the podcasts where women are getting told off. So, that's all that ever trends. You have guys like Jordan Peterson who have discussed the topics with older feminists and experts on neutral platforms.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/23 08:59 PM
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Think of how many women actually want to fully support their man financially. Think of men who did take that role. How many of those situations ended up in cheating or divorce? How many men in that situation aren't criticized by friends and family for being house husbands? That'll give you an idea of why most guys don't do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/23 07:43 PM
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Except, they actually give feminists, etc. platform to debate their ideas. They don't just lash out against people they disagree with without making a logical counterargument, for the most part.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/23 07:27 PM
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Except, RP tells men constantly to hit the gym and improve in various ways to get the results they want. How does that not count as taking accountability?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/23 07:20 PM
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Only a woman who has really been out here in these streets would know.
/r/AllPillDebate27/06/23 06:24 PM
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Till this day, she's likely the most empathetic and selfless person I've met in this lifetime. Doesn't have any vices, doesn’t drink much, doesn’t smoke, always dated with intention or not at all, had a good upbringing and it shows, is 0% egotistical, doesn’t care much for things like money or status, only cares about character. Probably the most pure and virtuous person I've met in the hedonistic society we live in today. I felt the need to protect it at all costs.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/23 04:23 PM
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Sometimes these are the only women that put up with their own toxic behaviour That's an interesting point I agree with, and have seen myself. Water finds its own level. Often toxic individuals are attracted to other toxic individuals. Not everyone wants to admit to their own flaws, though, and may make it seem like a coincidence that they keep ending up with partners like that over and over.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/23 06:53 PM
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Pretty sure, being "nice" is optional. Plenty of Attorneys, athletes, and ambitious men get women despite not being nice. "Nice" is more of a bonus for a lot of women. They'll forgo the nice requirement if the guy is handsome, fit, tall, wealthy or established. So no, nice isn't really a priority most of the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/23 06:50 PM
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Douchebaggery is a consequence of youth and freedom, not choice. You can definitely choose not to be a douchebag. Every woman knew guys growing up that were decent people. They chose not to date those guys for one reason or another. Or is that claim that every young man was a douchebag? No good young men exist? An expression of disappointment should never been taken by a friend as an opening but of solace and consolation. Why are we talking about friends here? Seems off topic.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/23 06:39 PM
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It's a slightly different situation for guys. Mainly due to a lack of options. A guy with minimal options will probably put up with a woman who treats him not that great because she's the best he thinks he can do. Not saying it's right, but that's usually how that happens. It's different when an individual has multiple suitors but actively chooses the toxic ones. A lot of women usually have multiple men coming on to them, which is why this applies more often for their scenario. An equivalent to …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/23 06:34 PM
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The pattern is that both men and women grow and change. Sure, but actions always speak louder than words. Maybe she dates one douchebag, that's probably not her fault. Maybe two. But a lineup of douchebags isn't a coincidence, that's a preference. When people show you who they are, believe them. I'll never be the "nice guy" some woman settles for because she wants a change of pace. She wants a savior, she can find Jesus.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/23 06:28 PM
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I never said ALL women like to be treated like shit. Women who repeatedly date guys who treat them like shit usually like it, whether they realize it or not. Usually for a number of reasons. Could be low self esteem, addiction to the emotional roller coaster of being with toxic guy, addiction to chasing a guy who acts indifferent towards them, or countless other reasons. Either way, you'll find out what kind of guys they gravitate towards by looking at their exes. If they like "nice guys" who tr…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/23 06:17 PM
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Look at their exes and see if there's a pattern. It's that simple.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/23 06:04 PM
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Reread my comment because that's not what I said.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/23 12:03 AM
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I mean, you're free to disagree with me on what you think is an instinct or not. But it's a biological fact that human beings have instincts just like every other creature on this Earth. Those instincts affect how we think, what we fear, and also what we're attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 10:02 PM
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We still have ingrained instincts, though. If you ever watched the show "Mind Games," there's a segment where they have participants see over a hundred pictures in less than a second. The only images they could make out were those resembling snakes and spiders. The reason for this, is that ancient humans used to live in caves and snakes and spiders are common in caves. So humans evolved to perceive that as danger and our minds try to single out those creatures. There are lots of ingrained instin…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 08:28 PM
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Well, like I said. Personality and intentions matter more than just age. If women actually care about their father's opinions, then they should involve them in the vetting process. Otherwise, they'll just have to figure it out on their own.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 11:08 AM
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Guys of all ages can be users or abusers, which are tied to personality, not age. Regardless, what's the point in implying that the father's opinion matters here if he doesn't have the power to vet her boyfriends anyway. Let's say he did have an issue with someone she's dating, if he brings it up will she break up with this guy? If not, then the father's opinion is meaningless.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 11:04 AM
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Depends. Am I allowed to have control over her sex life or no? If no, then why would my opinion suddenly matter in this situation?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 10:51 AM
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Men are taking away that right to have abortions Abortion is literally the last resort. Tons of contraceptives and other ways to avoid even getting to that point. many single mothers where abandoned by their husbands Only a small percentage of men divorce their wives. Women are the ones leaving the relationship vast majority of the time. Still a safer bet than a zero commitment out of wedlock birth.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 02:07 AM
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Ah so you mean a woman disrupting her entire menstrual cycle and pumping herself with hormones to ensure the sperm that the man is carrying not does impregnate her with the child he doesn’t want. There's also the option to not have sex with the guy. Those are the choices. Take the contraceptives, have the dudes kid and roll the dice, or stay celibate until marriage. Pick your poison. And condoms and pullout methods don't affect hormones, btw. She could also time her ovulation cycle and only have…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 02:04 AM
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Any 2 contraceptives makes the chance of pregnancy less than 1%. It's so low it's virtually zero. Examples: The pill + plan B, the pill + condoms, condoms + spermacide, condoms + plan B, the pill + pull out method, plan B + pullout method. You get the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 01:05 AM
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You're contradicting yourself. Do they have the kids after getting to know the guy or before?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 12:20 AM
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Doesn't matter. We're discussing ways to make sure the guy sticks around. I provided the best solution to that. No relationship guarantees lifelong happiness with zero issues. That's why marriage counselors exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 11:32 PM
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Men have the choice where they put their cum about 99.99% of the time. Not without consent. If a woman says "wear a condom and don't cum in me," doing so against her will counts as SA. She also has plan B she can take the next day, and can abort as a last resort. She could also avoid most of that by being on birth control or having an IUD put in if she so chooses. There's also female condoms, spermacide, etc. She has lots of options she can use to avoid having a child that don't even require the…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 11:30 PM
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Sure, let's convince women to abstain since clearly contraceptives are pointless.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 11:24 PM
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You have a kid every time you have sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 11:22 PM
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Vast majority of divorces are initiated by women. So, at least with a marriage commitment they know that the chances of the guy leaving is slim. Much better odds than a zero commitment relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 11:21 PM
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Yeah, and if the women decides to not have to child then it still won't be born. Essentially negating their decision. Her body, her choice, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 11:18 PM
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Yes, because people are completely transparent about everything from day 1 Did she wait till day 2 to have the kid then? Should've vetting as long as it took before popping out babies. Literally one of the most important irreversible decisions in this lifetime. aren't you the same ones who claim women hide their "crazy" at the beginning of relationships? Yeah, they do. Which is why it’s equally important for men to vet also. Probably shouldn't be having kids with people you don't know all that w…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 11:11 PM
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Plenty of guys say point blank that they don't want a kid. And plenty of women have the kid anyway. That's a lot more common then what you're talking about. I'm sure it happens sometimes, but I've never seen a guy excited to have a kid and then immediately change his mind after. Closest thing I've seen to that is a guy who found out after the kid was born that his wife cheated on him with a close friend. Then that guy full on abandoned his wife and child. Literally left the country and never cam…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 10:49 PM
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She voluntarily chose to have a child of a supposed deadbeat, so she's equally responsible for the outcomes of that decision. She had her choice of men and she chose poorly. Now she's facing the consequences of her decision.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 10:42 PM
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Been through this over and over. What qualifies as an absent parent isn't the same as what qualifies as parental abandonment. You blatantly wrong about that 20% figure because you don't know the difference. Not going to repeat what I already explained thoroughly in another thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 10:40 PM
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Apparently, not if he could pretend the entire time. It's easy to pretend for a short while. Not so easy to do so for years, especially when living together. Clearly, the proper vetting was not done. Regardless, "marry before you carry" philosophy would solve this issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 10:36 PM
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They lack conception rights. Post sex who had the option to take plan B, abort, have the child, or give the child up for adoption? Only women.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 10:25 PM
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Because when those laws were made, there was a lot of women who didn't work and couldn't survive without taking some of their husband's resources to support herself and her child. However, that was over several decades ago and women have careers just like men. Yet the laws haven't been updated. That's how.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 10:23 PM
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How does one have a kid without vetting the father?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 10:20 PM
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How long did she realistically vet the dude? She shouldn't be having kids with a guy she doesn't know like the back of her hand and isn't married to.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 10:19 PM
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Because she chose to breed with that supposed piece of shit, making her equally responsible.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 10:17 PM
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How would you vet for that in your 20 year old boyfriend? If he was serious he would have chosen to be more than just a boyfriend. The lack of commitment over 20 years is a red flag in itself. Women need to hold firm on "marry before you carry" and not produce his offspring unless he signs the legally binding paperwork tying all his assets and last name to the woman. Shouldn't be an issue if he's serious and wants her to bear his children.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 10:15 PM
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Women get criticized because it's their body, their choice, their responsibility. The men in these situations don't have conception rights. Only the mother gets to decide if child is born, so it makes more sense to focus on making sure they're the ones making the right decision. "Marry before you carry" would solve the vast majority of this problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 10:10 PM
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What you like ideally and what you can get are two different things. I can say most women want a tall, wealthy, physically toned handsome man with certainty. Doesn't mean most women are going to get that though. If only 20% of women got a man like that, does that mean the rest wouldn't want a man like that?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 09:39 PM
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That's what I said. He sounds like one of those "happy wife, happy life" guys that relinquished their balls to their women.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 09:08 PM
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I would never let a man lead me. If your husband would let you say something like that to his face, then that tells me all I need to know about him. Most men with dignity wouldn't allow such blatant disrespect.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 08:48 PM
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Most 56 year old career women do not look like Salma Hayek.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 08:43 PM
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I always find it weird how when talking about why men should date older career focused women, it always turns into a list of what these women won't do for men, how they don't need men, and a bunch of other masculine things like how they make money and are basically men themselves. How is any of this attractive to men? A woman who doesn't listen, brags about not needing her man and leads with her career and how much money she makes does not sound like a catch. How many times do men have to say po…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 08:42 PM
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It’s exactly the same. The mother is there, isn’t she. Absence is not the same as abandonment. I'll use my friend as an example. He sees his daughter every weekend but doesn't live with the mother. Technically, he would be considered an absent father, but he's very much involved in his child's life. Abandonment would be if he did everything in his power to relinquish his parental responsibility to the child. Not just avoiding seeing the child but also avoiding providing the child any support wha…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 05:32 PM
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20% of fathers abandon all their children, in the US that’s around 7 million. The previous person was specifically talking about divorced men being absent. This stat includes men who weren't married to begin with, ONS, and men who may not even know they have kids. An absent father isn't the exact same as abandonment. In 51% of child custody cases, both parents agree for the mother to be the custodial parent. Fathers don’t want the children. When fathers do seek custody, they win more often than …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 04:44 PM
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The divorce is between the parents, not the parents and children. Are you saying that men don’t need to be fathers unless they are with the children’s mother? Is there a stat on how many men completely abandon their kids after a divorce? Excluding the situations where the mother moves the kid to another state or continent and makes it as hard as possible for the dad to see his kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 03:53 PM
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the number of men who walk away From their wives? Men rarely file for divorce btw
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 03:27 PM
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The state gets involved because deadbeat fathers don’t pay and refuse to share custody so the mother is the only person who can care for a child around the clock. Men who don't pay child support get their wages garnished or sent to jail. Why should tax payers be responsible for the parents being irresponsible or bums? What do you expect mothers to do with a child, lock it in a hot car while she works two jobs to cover the deadbeat father’s absence? Not my problem. Their the ones who chose to hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 01:49 AM
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Who here is arguing that they shouldn't? I literally just said both parents should be responsible, not the State or anyone else. Actually read the comment to understand not just to argue.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 01:17 AM
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Why should women be paid to have kids they couldn't afford to take of in the first place? Especially if they willingly choose to do it alone rather than pair up and cooperate with the man they chose to have kids with in the first? If two people decide to have children it shouldn't be on the State or community to fund it. If they can't afford those kids on their own then they shouldn't be having them.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 12:38 AM
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Honestly, can't disagree with any of this except the part about being cold sexually. I don't get this stereotype that women who abstain from sex to any degree are automatically prudish, cold, and have no sex drive. They could simply be more into long-term relationships and not fond of hookups.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 10:39 PM
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How do you know she didn't? Not even sure what you're implying with that comment
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 09:46 PM
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So ..no respectable jobs at all? Is selling your butthole online included in "respectable jobs?" By acknowledging women as more than an object or a service, or even that what men think isn't the be all and end all? You think it's limited to only what men think? Pretty sure my mother and grandmother wouldn't be cool with my wife's genitals being online either.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 09:44 PM
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Dignity shouldn't have a price. You can't look up my wife's genitals online. That's what makes it priceless. I had to earn access to that, not pay a monthly subscription.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 09:37 PM
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Selling yourself for momentary profit is never respectable. This is multiplied by the fact that in the digital age, anything posted online is basically forever. Only thing worse than posting pics of my butthole online is the fact that anyone will forever be able to look up my butthole online. Can employers respect a guy whose butthole they can Google? Would by father-in-law respect a man married to his daughter if my butthole can be Googled by everyone he knows? How can something like that be re…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 09:35 PM
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Criticism isn't synonymous with hate.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 07:53 PM
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Why are you using 'rappers' as though it's inherently a bad thing? As though all rappers act the same. I keep using rapper because the example was Amver Rose, and those are primarily the men she dates. Also, rappers, athletes, and players are all commonly known to sleep around and cheat. I assumed I wouldn't have to explain that part, though. Sure, there are exceptions but for the most part, men in these groups are known to explore their options in and out of a relationship. Also unless you are …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/23 11:18 PM
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Wasn't my point. You brought up guys who "aren't scared of hoes." Usually it's men cut from the same cloth. Like attracts like. Amber Rose is a prime example of a woman with a promiscuous past dating one sketchy guy after the next. Being tossed around for years by guys who would never take her seriously. Then suddenly she says she wants to change things up and date an Engineer, CEO, or something. But why would respectable men like that attach themselves to a woman with a past like hers who didn'…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/23 09:45 PM
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girl doesn't get laughed at and called a fucking creep after. You make it sound like young guys don't also get called creeps or ostracized for hitting on women who think they're out of the guys league. Again, not an age specific issue. They don't know us enough to like us This literally applies to any guy who cold approaches in clubs, bars, or anywhere really. How can a guy get to know you if he never approaches in the first place? Specifically age does. Under 25 people marrying: increase. Signi…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/23 04:44 PM
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Quite a few but not statistically common. Doesn't change the fact that if a guy likes a girl, he should just shoot his shot. Nothing is guaranteed and women of all ages reject men for any number of reasons. If you want men to over fixate on every possible reason they might be rejected then no guy would ever hit on a woman, and would never get comfortable approaching and flirting with women. The larger the age gap the higher the increased likelihood of divorce. Lots of things effect the divorce r…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/23 03:47 PM
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Most people don't like someone significantly older. Maybe, but there's still a pretty decent amount of people who do. In my personal experience I've known multiple men who dated older women, and I've known a few women who married men 10+ years older than them. Point being, they wouldn't have gotten these girls if they didn't shoot their shot. Sure some women want to be sugar babies but then a lot of men don't want that arrangement These guys weren't ballers. One was an elementary school teacher.…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/23 03:16 PM
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Depends on the guy just like it depends on the woman. Some young guys like older women, some young women like older guys. People aren't mind readers so usually that pairing can only happen if they shoot their shot. If the individual isn't interested then they can reject and everyone goes about their business.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/23 02:52 PM
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That's super fucking different than marrying in your 20s a dude/chick you hardly know Who made the claim that women have to marry in the 20's? OP says to just focus on career and fun in their 20's because people get married in their 30's. Most people find their partner in their 20's, date for a while, then marry in their 30's. So, it's probably a good idea to at least start looking for a serious partner in your 30's. Just my 2 cents. People have long term relationships in their 20s with their pe…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/23 02:14 PM
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Yeah, but women always have the beta nice guy option. They avoid it because they're just not attracted to those guys. So, when they settle for that, do you think they're actually happy and content? No matter how nice the beta is, if she thinks she's settling and that he'll just accept whatever treatment because of lack of experience or standards, you don't think she'll cheat, divorce him when a better option comes along, or have another man's kid and let him raise it? The Beta is the biggest pot…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/23 02:09 PM
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You realize Chad's can be redpilled, right? Redpill is literally a state of mind where you accept how women are and don't pedistalize them. Chad's playboy ways are basically redpill. Those "nice guys" and orbiters you women hate so much and usually blue pilled.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/23 01:43 PM
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Exactly. Usually the Beta is ignorant that they're even being settled for. It's the woman whose miserable because she knows she's settling and feels she could have done better.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/23 01:37 PM
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I thought only toxic abusive chads get taken when they are young Chad's don't get taken, they do the taking and settle down when they finally feel like it, if ever. Or play the field until old age like Leonardo DiCaprio or Hugh Hefner. neglected nice guys, struggle and stay single until their mid to late 30’s when they become bitter beta bux If a guy actually wanted to settle down earlier but can't due to a lack of female interest. Then yeah, he probably falls into this category. The primary dif…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/23 01:36 PM
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Point is, he has time to look. For most women, once they past their physical prime and enter geriatric pregnancy stage, their options in the market will plummet drastically.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/23 01:27 PM
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A lot of people who marry in their 30's, started dating their spouse initially in their 20's. That was my situation and the situation of most people I knew who recently got married.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/23 01:25 PM
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Depression and SSRI prescriptions aren't giving because of women's dating lives, lmao. Completely false. Plenty of articles from therapists self reporting that their offices are filled with single childless middle-aged women going through a midlife crisis because they won't have the family they dreamed of. Unfortunately, they have to default to prescribing them pills because there's not much they can do for women just starting to look for a partner in their mid to late 30's. A female therapist/l…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/23 01:20 PM
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Kinda of like how Amber Rose is stuck forever dating rappers that will cheat on her. Sure, there are types of guys who will settle for hoes. Usually, those guys are cut from the same cloth and won't bother being faithful. They're also not usually traditional in any sense of the word. There's also the simps, but most women aren't attracted to their simps, so that's almost irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/23 01:12 PM
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It's "instinctual" until they're desperate and need some beta buxx nice guy to settle for when they're past their prime and losing options. Funny how standards become flexible when the fear of loneliness kicks in. It's not that their standards can't change, but rather, that refuse to change them so long as they believe they have an abundance of options.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 10:09 PM
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What if the man does love his wife but she wants to leave anyway? What if he treats her well but she thinks she can do better? Why are we assuming all 70% of women have justifiable reasons to leave and the men are always at fault? The woman could just as easily be at fault and divorce because she's the one cheating or who lost interest.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 07:18 PM
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Billions of people on the planet. They pick the guy they want. If they're consistently choosing to date immature people, maybe they should check internally to see why they're attracted to that?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 07:02 PM
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Women are incapable of doing both? They can't date, have a family, and work? I don't know much about your grandparents, but mine always worked. There was never a point where women in my family didn't work. My great grandmother worked, had a husband, and 11 kids. Nobody forced her to have those kids btw, she just really loved kids. She lived to over 100 and had over 100 descendants. People visited her every week in old age. Even when she became forgetful, she was always very happy when reminded o…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 06:36 PM
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Yeah, I don't know the situation where you're from so maybe those options are better. In the US, dating apps are a cluster and people only use them for hookups mainly.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 04:23 PM
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This is a major part of the issue. At least in the USA, women complain about not being hit on but also complain about guys hitting on them and calling those guys creepy. So, a lot of guys don't really know what to do since they're not mind readers and don't know the specific time and place where hitting on a woman won't be considered creepy.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 03:59 PM
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Lol, because women putting career first always works out, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 03:45 PM
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Then there would be no point to having any of these discussions because there's an exception to everything.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 03:33 PM
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"improve my chances from 0.00% to 0.01% in the hope that I get used?" Even if it only marginally increased ones chances, the advice is still solid because getting in shape and making more money is a net positive to one's life. Self-improvement is a generally good thing even if you don't accomplish everything you want after making those improvements. And anyone with desirable assets can be used. Doesn't matter if the guy gained wealth for women or not, golddiggers target any man with money. "just…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 03:25 PM
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beau·ti·ful /ˈbyo͞odəfəl/ adjective “pleasing the senses or mind aesthetically.” aes·​thet·​ic/ adjective "pleasing in appearance : ATTRACTIVE" Both the primary definitions of being beautiful and aesthetically pleasing refer to being visibly physically attractive. You have to use the most uncommon applications of those words to even try to make this make any sense. It's not semantics. If you ask any random person if something or someone is beautiful, they're going to assume you mean visibly unle…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 05:13 AM
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That's a real all or nothing approach. So either they get everything they want or nothing? There's no middle ground or compromising? God forbid an average woman doesn't get the top 20% guy she feels entitled to and is left with her equivalent, an average man.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/23 11:33 PM
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Lol, now we're redefining what the word beautiful means? This is why men don't just take women at their word. Way too much capping even when it's unnecessary and illogical.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/23 11:09 PM
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Do what makes you happy but accept that some guys are going to be okay with it and some won't. The next guy isn't responsible for what the previous guy did and he's not obligated to accept anything he doesn't like or fix trauma inflicted by your ex. He is responsible for his own actions in life and will vet a potential wife by whatever criteria he sees fit.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 04:32 AM
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woman that’s been in an amazing relationship for years not have a higher chance of having high standards? I personally prefer women who take time and effort to vet the men they have relationships with, and take those relationships seriously. Hard to view that as a negative even if this increases the chances of her having lingering feelings for a past partner. Shows she has values and has a preference to long-term monogamous relationships like marriage. There’s a reason she must’ve stayed with hi…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/23 07:52 PM
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What you said is possible for literally any woman, but the more previous partners the higher chance of that occurring, wouldn't you say? Most men deal in probabilities not possibilities. How likely is this to happen? How do I mitigate risk? Which women are higher risk for divorce, cheating, etc? That's the entire point of vetting, to filter out high risk partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/23 05:30 PM
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Well HVM have tons of women who will immediately have sex with him. This is objectively true but it's a choice to date such a man. Plenty of average dudes around who will wait and be fully monogamous. So, pick your poison. See if he pays on the first date? You golddigger!!! Who says having guys pay for dates is golddigging? Never heard that, but it's the offer to pay that matters. The polite thing to do would be to split it even if he offers. See if he remembers your birthday? You are asking for…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/23 04:05 PM
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Most women who can sleep with very attractive men are themselves above average You don't seem to understand men very well. I used to be in a fraternity. Trust that when guys are drunk or horny they will drop standards real quick for easy sex. My roommate would have sex with girls he said were a legit 2 just because he wanted to bust a nut. And he had hotter girls he could hook up. Sometimes guys just don't want to put in the extra effort and will bang chicks their not that attracted to. Guys ban…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/23 01:30 PM
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Once one person has feelings for the other, it's hard to even call that a true platonic friendship. It's more so a friendzone situation. One person sticking around pandering in the hopes of getting a chance at a relationship. That's rarely a good thing for either party.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/23 02:55 AM
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and then she didn’t want sex Why did you jump to assuming he just wanted sex and not a romantic relationship? and now allllllll those other amazing attributes don’t make it worth you ever wanting to be around her again. How does it benefit him to stay around a girl he expressed having feelings for and she already rejected them? Will watching the woman he's in love with date other men help him in any way? Will spending even more time with a woman he loves but doesn't love him back somehow make th…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 10:10 PM
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Amateur porn doesn’t star actresses, it stars “normal” people. Still, if your expectations of sex or based on porn, that's a recipe for disaster. And yes many men do blame wives for their husbands stepping out bc “obviously she wasn’t satisfying him, what does she expect, why is she surprised?” I'm sure some guys do, but the point is, do you think it's right for them to make it the fault of the woman in these scenarios? Is it right to blame men who were settled on for not just being able to tell…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 05:04 PM
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It matters when we're talking about being settled for. Or more accurately the chances that the person you're with feels like they settled for you. The problem with a lot of women is that they measure their level not just on the caliber of men they got commitment from but also on the caliber of men they slept with too. You could have a solid 5 average woman, sleep with above average men and suddenly she thinks she deserves an above average man. That same woman turns 30 and "settles" for her looks…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 04:54 PM
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So what? He doesn’t “deserve” a sexy partner because he worked hard. I never said anything about being entitled to sexy women. I said a ran through past her prime women possibly bringing kids and baby daddy drama isn't a good deal for him. A lot of guys who grinding in their 20's start hitting there prime in their 30's. Most are still in good shape and are at a decent level in their careers. They can do better than that usually. We each get roughly what we have to offer, and some will have to ac…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 02:28 PM
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He didn't own her prior to their relationship and her past is none of his business. Thanks for proving my point. You can't blame a guy for being settled for when he lacks the information required to know he's being settled for. If he knows how she moved in the past, maybe he could piece it together. If she's ommiting that and other things, then it's not his fault. Because he's never had mutually enjoyable sex with a woman? Is she just laying starfish and doing nothing during sex? Because he's ne…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 02:21 PM
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Some people are attracted to dysfunction. If what they're attracted to has led them from one bad/toxic relationship to the next, maybe it's time to stop just following your heart and use some logic. Also, I never said it was wrong to settle for nice guy, but do that early, not at the wrong end of 30 with kids and being ran through. Most of these "nice guys" spent their 30's being responsible and working hard. Women aren't offering them the great deal they think they are. Also, it's not settling …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 02:02 PM
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I'm not saying desperation isn't a factor, but is it not also true that women will lie about body count and many other things? Women admit to lying about things like that on these threads, saying it's not important. Well, these are things men use to vet. They are clear red flags. So, when a guy with minimal experience is also being lied to about things that would make him doubt the relationship, he'll fall for it. Especially if he's been raised blue pill. And if he has limited dating experience,…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 01:53 PM
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I usually tell women to check their friendzone. If there's a guy who she trusts to be around regularly, whose company she enjoys, who cares about her without receiving anything in return, they'll probably be there. The are literally tons of eligible bachelor's. More single men today than probably ever before. Problem us that most of these guys aren't super exciting. The humble nerd studying to be an engineering isn't making any woman's drawers wet but likely will be a lot more stable option than…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 01:38 PM
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It doesn't help that a lot of women lie or omit red flags that would make it clear to the guy that he's being settled for. If they want that commitment and family, women will put on a convincing performance. By the facade is revealed, they're already married with kids, which was her plan all along. Now he's all in and can't just leave so easily. Tons of stories of guys only realizing post marriage that they were settled on. Tons of women on these threads claiming that Chad was just a faze and th…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 01:30 PM
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If I can't maintain having a 5 person family, why have one in the first place? Both individuals made that decision and both had there responsibilities. Neither was doing nothing. Now women have to work and raise kids. Double the fun 🙌. I'm glad they got the equality they wanted. Now we just have to get them signed up for Selective Service and get more into construction, coal mining, and oil rig jobs and it'll be a true equality utopia 👍
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 10:36 PM
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I'd rather fucking die than be a SAHM. I'll never for the life of me understand why so many modern women act like being able to stay at home all day and raising the kids they produced in the first place is somehow a fate worst than death. As if working until 70 having other people be there for the important parts of your children's development, or having to sign up for the draft are huge perks. I'll take watching Bluey, being their for my kids first steps, and someone paying my bills any day of …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 10:28 PM
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Funny how women nowadays like to claim housewives back in the day were unhappy and comparable to slaves. Yet in the videos they're visibly happy with their kids and vocalize not wanting things to change too much. Compare that with current day women. Group on the most antidepressants in the West are middle aged single childless women. It's predicted that 45% of women will be single up to their mid 40's and likely beyond that. Women now have to work until old age just like men which likely ties in…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 09:24 PM
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Yeah, I was going to bring that up. They got special privileges with the voting, not having to sign up for Selective Service. Feminists seem to only want the pros of being a man but none of the cons. Gotta have both or you can't call it equality. When strictly looking at the laws, women have objectively better rights than men nowadays.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 09:17 PM
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Nope, he did not know. Also, from what I remember she wasn't officially a pornstar. She was offered a lot of money to do an amateur video but wasn't a professional. The guy inevitably found out cause some YouTuber did some snooping and put her on blast and he dumped her of course. Can't judge her for her past tho because she was young and dumb and as we're told daily that would be supporting the patriarchy, misogynistic, and small dick energy, or something lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 08:57 PM
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Because they definitely had a choice and it wasn't like their husband could forbid them from working or a male employer would refuse them. Ironically, if you watch some of the street interviews from the first wave of feminism, the housewives they interviewed said that they liked the idea of having the option to vote but hoped that they wouldn't be forced to work all day because they liked being home with their kids. Literally exactly what they feared came to pass. Now most women don't have a cho…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 06:32 PM
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How would they have avoided Pearl Harbor or 9/11? Some wars are a retaliation of attacks on domestic soil. How would they defend the country in those events if not by going to war?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 06:25 PM
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Are you saying nobody will ever make a single mistake while dating ever? When YOU (not you specifically but people in general) make a mistake or are indecisive, they need to take personal responsibility. Saying another person was trashy or led you on when they were honest from the jump isn't taking personal responsibility. If the video was more about her own issues and why she agreed to situationship in the first place, that would be better. At one point she says that a situationship is better t…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 06:20 PM
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listen to men when they tell them their expectations then? You mean to tell me that when somebody says point blank what they want out of a relationship, they might actually mean it? 🤔 I can see how a lot of women get stumped by this. Your Average Stacy: "Chad said he just wanted to smash, and it turns out, he didn't want a relationship but just wanted to smash! The nerve of that guy."
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 05:47 PM
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I think the difference now is women more acknowledge the interest men have in sex, but seek to "game the system" Basically, thinking they're going to be the exception. Although she herself is quite attractive, it's clear from what she discusses she's shooting way above her league, leading to endless situationships, but no relationship. This literally happens all the time and has happened for generations now. It happened to Gen X women, it happened to Millennial women, now it's happening to Gen Z…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 04:50 PM
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How exactly is it a trap when your flat out told what's going to happen?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 03:26 PM
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Except in this situation the guy literally said he didn't want anything serious, she let's him smash twice, and gets mad it didn't develop into anything serious. Doesn't sound like the guy hid anything. Sounds like she deluded herself into believing she could convince him into committing to her through sex and he's somehow responsible for her delusions?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 03:24 PM
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I'm sure she'll still fool around with Chad until her 30's when it's time to settle down with Mr. Nice Guy. Tale as old as time. The cycle will continue over and over. I've been hearing women say "guys only want one thing," "they'll say anything to get in your pants," and such things since I was in gradeschool. None of any of the advice the older women gave prevented younger women from repeating the exact same mistakes over and over. What's actually different this time?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 03:18 PM
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But those “crazy’s” are supported by the group that’s the problem, it’s not just some sick individuals, it’s notorious for support in the violence against woman I think your issue here is that you talk about incels as if they are some kind of movement or have an ideology. An incel is a state of being. Anyone who isn't having sex for prolonged periods of time despite trying is technically an incel. They don’t have to believe in anything to be classified as an incel. Sure, some make groups on soci…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 01:21 PM
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You mentioned n count in relation to divorce but we already just established that divorce rate increases with the age gap. Also, this divorce rate increase with age is mostly a Western thing. In a lot of other countries a 10+ age gap is normal and divorce can be incredibly rare in that culture. Those factors are equally important to consider. Divorce is normalized in the West, which makes it a lot more likely to happen regardless. Um does divorce risk matter or not? Even if we focus on just divo…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 01:03 PM
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If this is all iNcEl a are then why aren’t woman allowed? It's not that women can't be incels, but when was the last time you encountered a woman who wasn't celibate by choice? Who no man at all will have sex with even if they wanted it bad? If they are choosing to be celibate then they are voluntarily celibate, and by definition can't be incels. Also, why when there’s been iNcEl shootERs in the past, they have been praised and even considered “king of the incels” by killing people? Crazy people…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 12:46 PM
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An incel is literally just an involuntarily celibate. Way to prove the guy's point by making up your own definition so you can villainize a group of men already ostracized by society for their inability to get laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 12:26 PM
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Women do that of their own free will. They're free to leave said relationship and find a guy who won't put them in the fuck-zone.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 12:13 PM
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Women don't get punished for being vulnerable, men do. Women especially will punish a man for being "too emotional." Every guy at one point or another when they were younger tried being more open and vulnerable, and they learned their lesson from the repercussions of doing so. This trans guy never had to experience that until now, which is why he's having such a hard time. How many people do you think will take him seriously as a man when they see him cry like this? How many men will respect him…
/r/AllPillDebate14/06/23 04:48 AM
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How would a man paying make a woman a "prize?" He brought this up during the BBC interview as well, about too many people taking things he said sarcastically or as a joke out of context to make it seem like that's his strightfaced opinion on a matter. This seems like one of those times.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/23 02:29 PM
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Yep, been with her over a decade.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/23 02:19 PM
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A guy and girl are traveling and an attempted mugging takes place. Whose more likely able to physically defend in that situation. And apparently opening jars, since my wife can't seem to ever do that. I sometimes wonder, if both men and women were told that they had to live their lives alone with absolutely no assistance from the opposite sex, who would have a harder time.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/23 02:13 PM
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Means listening out of respect to the guy a woman chooses as the leader of the family, head of household, father of her kids. Modern women will listen to their bosses, instructors, etc., but don't want to listen to the guy their dating and may eventually have kids with. If you want to call it agreeableness and cooperation then that's fine too. But men don't like to have to but heads with their wives one every decision for 40+ years, they like peace.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/23 01:54 PM
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First off, please don't project 'submission, low n count' as what men want. Manosphere men do not represent all men thankfully. You're really going to argue that men prefer women who don't listen to them and have slept with an entire football team worth of dudes? You can't be that delusional. I guarantee if you took 10 random men off the street and had them pick one or the other, you're going to lose that bet. Just like there are things women in general find desirable, there are also things men …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/23 03:23 AM
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Right, but why are they promoting big age gaps, which are more likely to lead to divorce/breaking up of the family? First off all, as mentioned in other comments, the RP isn't about marriage. That's something some men on an individual level want, not RP rhetoric. As for dating younger women, that's because those younger women are objectively more desirable than a lot of older women. In terms of traits men like, beauty, submission, low n count, etc., who is more likely to meet those standards, a …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/23 01:15 AM
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Is it that surprising that men ultimately want a good wife and family, even if the odds of finding one in the West is rare. Some dreams are hard to completely abandon.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/23 12:45 AM
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Literally only has to do with the women being more traditional and divorce being a lot less prevalent. Politics isn't part of the equation.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/23 12:33 AM
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They aren't. They're usually told to not even bother getting married, but if they're going to anyways, maybe do as much possible to reduce the risk. Marrying a virgin or low n count woman being one of those things that reduce the risk. But again, most RP guys don't promote getting married here in the West where men get screwed over by divorce left and right.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/23 12:12 AM
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If we're using the term "overprotective," the over implies that it is above what we consider a standard or normal amount.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/23 11:59 PM
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That's an overprotective parent. I have a father like that and it's part of the reason my sister became an intisocial introvert. Father's should want their daughters to meet upstanding men and have a family. How exactly is that accomplished by being against all interactions with men? Grandkids aren't just going to materialize out of nowhere one day.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/23 02:34 PM
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The entire construct is designed around protecting girls from dirty dirty boys and fathers perpetuate it, too. Father's try and protect their daughters from fukbois, Players, and men who would take advantage of them. Not all men in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/23 01:58 PM
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Literally have no idea why you're bringing up your hatred for incels out of left field. So, you randomly complain about guys you don't hang out with or date at all? Kinda unnecessarily douchie, but you do you girl...I guess 🤔
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/23 01:51 PM
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Not entirely true. Some men know that if they lower themselves to fukboi behavior, they can increase their chances of getting women. But a lot of men don't feel right doing that. The guys I know who do that are ruthless and would tell girls whatever they needed to hear to increase their notch count. It was a competition to them. A lot of men shy away from stooping to that because they were taught they're supposed to be gentleman, but there aren't a lot of options for regular men. Like you allude…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/23 07:51 AM
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Not the ones I know personally. Those guys are regular looking dudes. But they leverage hypergamy, for the most part, to get women.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/23 06:43 AM
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Basically, "don't save them, they don't want to be saved." They enjoy the toxicity in the men they've chosen. Probably for a good reason. Like attracts like. Toxic people attract toxic people.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/23 06:34 AM
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Women regularly complain about men who show these traits lol. Dating a man with the emotional capacity of a toddler is quite exhausting. Women complain about a lot of traits that they find attractive to men in the first place. The same woman claiming to not like emotionally unavailable men is pining after the stoic guys or the ones ignoring her texts, not the guy wearing his heart on his sleeve. Actions speak louder than words.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/23 08:27 PM
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It's because women produce a lot more oxytocin than men during intercourse. Oxytocin is considered the love drug because it causes the feelings you normally get when you crush on someone. What does this mean? Means women are a lot more likely to fall for guys they sleep with. While men on the other hand, compartmentalize sex. Means they don't view love and sex as synonymous. Means they can be infatuated with a girl they've never had sex with, or not have any feelings towards a girl they are havi…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/23 06:19 PM
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I think these women suffer from cognitive dissonance or something. I've literally had a woman say that it's okay for a 18 year old woman to have sex with an older man, to do porn and OF, to be a Sugar Baby or escort at 18, but claimed that an 18 having a legitimate relationship with an older man with the intent of marriage was immoral and where she draws the line. We really live in a Bizarro world.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/23 06:04 PM
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I think the (redacted) pill video stated that the red pill believes men's sexual market value peaks in their 30s. most guys end up looking worse by the time they are 35 The "peak" in terms of SMV is when most of the triats desired by the opposite sex overlap at a high level. That's not based solely on looks for men because women don't only care about looks. Take all the things women like, physically fit, good looking, makes good money, high status career, dresses well, confident, drives a nice c…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/23 02:22 AM
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You wrote a lot without saying anything at all. Literally all women want is for men to be decent human beings and treat us like human beings. So no man you've ever known has been a decent human being or treated you like a decent human being? No friends, no acquaintances, no one? 🧢 One thing is asked of men and it's always "be better". Better at what? Everything? Also don't be homeless i guess. Thanks for the advice. Definitely wouldn't have figured that one out.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/23 12:35 AM
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I've heard some people of the other pill color claim that red pillers say "don't worry so much, once you are more established in your career, then you can get women" This is like a bad game of telephone. You heard the somebody claim that somebody else said XYZ. Other pill people almost always misquote or misinterpret what was said in RP on purpose. Nobody said to just do nothing and wait till your 30. The advice is always to do the best you can at any age. If you need to work on yourself and it …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/23 12:10 AM
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I'll add to it by pointing out that almost every time I get into a debate with a woman about this, they reveal having dated older men when they were younger. After going on and on about how young women aren't attracted to older men. They debunk themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 09:36 PM
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It's softcore BDSM, but still BDSM. I mentioned this in another comment, but Gray is a character meant to fulfill multiple female fantasies, not just one. The the bad boy being tamed by the plain Jane is one such fantasy. Being dominated in bed by a man of power is another. Some of these fantasies are contradictory. In the real world you either get the bad boy or the simp wrapped around your finger, you get the handsome player or the humble nice guy, you get the stoic guy or the emotionally open…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 09:32 PM
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It's a movie about BDSM. That's literally all about Subs and Doms.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 07:19 PM
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That’s BS. RP men shame women’s choices in dating all the time Only when they complain about why they keep ending up with bad results, and ask for men's opinion on it. How often is a woman who gets married to a well off guy (even if it's an older man) and is happy with the life they have criticized? Take Kevin Samuels for example. Women were the ones calling him for advice, he wasn't just randomly roasting people. In fact I see more RP stuff on women shaming than on work out tips. Because that's…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 06:58 PM
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For one, you can't go on a murderous rampage with a comic book collection. You can go on a murderous rampage with anything. Literally anything can be a murder weapon. I can get in a car right now and run over a bunch of people. Eliminating the tools we have to defend ourselves won't eliminate violence. Less than 1% of serial killers use guns. For two, there are no reports or studies that you are more likely to be killed with a comic book if you have one in the home, which is the case with guns. …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 06:21 PM
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Incompatibility is a big problem even if on the surface it sounds like a minor inconvenience. Sigh. This is why marriage is pretty much dead in the West, the vows have no meaning. "Till death" had become, "till I get bored," "till I'm no longer feeling it," "till I find something better." What incentives do men have to get married nowadays if their partner might think like this? They could do everything right and have to go through a divorce and custody battle because the partner they chose for …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 06:14 PM
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Someone actually in the Army is a little different than your local yokel collecting guns because he thinks it makes him look cool. I don't collect guns but as a homeowner with a family to protect, I have one. But lots of people have hobbies. Some people have a comic book collection and some have a gun collection. What makes one more valid than the other? I am 52 years old and you know how often I have needed a gun or to physically defend myself? Never. Not once. In 52 years. Guns are like condom…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 04:27 PM
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So why does 50 shades of gray describe what women want but tons of other love stories that women love don't? Can't they want both? Women can both enjoy romance and being tossed around at night. Those don't need to be mutually exclusive. 50 Shades just exposes a less talked about aspect of women in media. But really, it's not as secret as women think it is. Past a certain age, most guys come to understand this side to women. 50 shades of gray is literally about an extremely hot guy focused on ple…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 04:12 PM
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You don’t know what their family was like so how can you say that they “broke up” a decent family? I'm literally responding to the scenario presented in the previous comment, where the only issue is incompatibility, not violence, cheating, or anyone doing anything harmful to one another or the kids. In those situations, yeah, breaking up a stable family is stupid. People who stay in marriages for the kids end up doing more harm than good. Yet, kids from 2 parent households perform overwhelmingly…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 03:55 PM
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So, in your mind, in real life there are no scenarios when you need to bear arms, to know how to defend yourself, or have survival skills? Those skills are limited to movies only and have no use in reality? 🤔 Next time I see an Army Vet, I'm telling them to stop trying to be cool, this isn't Rambo.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 03:38 PM
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Lots of romcoms have young, handsome, successful guys. This was more popular for the BDSM dominance aspect of a man in a position of power, leveraging that power to corrupt an inexperienced virgin. It's the typical thing that gets girls off. Like secretary boss role play, getting hair pulled, getting chocked, getting pushed against the wall, getting bossed around, consentual noncensent play. We're really going to pretend like women don't fetishize being dominated by strong/powerful men?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 03:19 PM
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Well, that's your personal opinion It's not just a "personal opinion," those situations almost never work out. There are multiple generations of women who became baby mamas that should be more than enough evidence of why that's not a smart move. With all the birth control options we have today, there's really no excuse. A lot of people think that marriage these days does not bring any practical benefits and there is no point in getting married. Because our society has become so hedonistic and se…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 03:10 PM
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I don't have sympathy for single mothers who break up a decent family and choose instability for their children because of arbitrary reasons like this. Once you're married with kids, it's well past the point to start "figuring things out." You've already made your bed and need to sleep in it. Those kids deserve both parents and a full household. Not being tossed around like an old baseball between two supposed adults going through a midlife crises.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 02:52 PM
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About single mothers who missed some red flags and got pregnant with men who left them shortly afterwards. This wouldn't happen nearly as often if these women married before they carried. Even if we actually believed that they "missed" some red flags (which I don't), having a kid outside of wedlock by a guy who offered no legal commitment or security is still stupid point blank.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 02:47 PM
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My point was well sure one could argue these negatively impact young men in the dating market however so does older men going for younger women. RP is about survival if the fittest. It's accepting that most women are hypergamous and want men above average is certain areas. So, to get women you need to improve, not expect other people to give you handouts. By your logic we should also tell Chads to start ignoring average women also so more average guys can have a shot. Women choose who they want …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 02:26 PM
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That's just incompatibility. I knew women in college who married older men precisely because they wanted to settle down and start a family right. Some people want to play the field first and some don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 01:02 PM
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Usually, in those discussions, they're talking about guys in their 30's dating women in their 20's. Not a huge gap. And the most common theme in RP is that women are hypergamous and prefer above average men. Very rarely is an average guy at 40+ even capable of attracting and dating women in their 20's. This only applies to above average men in that age range. This is common sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 12:54 PM
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What rule is being disproven here? Being in shape, successful, and handsome enough as an older man to attract much younger women is already considered being above average. Nobody in RP is pushing the idea that every guy in that age range can pull 20 somethings. Just the men who work on themselves to be that exceptional at that age have the ability to do this. Men who aren't at that level will simply get rejected. End of story.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 12:18 PM
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Think, 50 Shades. Why do you think women love that movie?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 12:04 PM
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You think men can't learn to emulate charisma? It's a social skill some men develop naturally and others learn intentionally to get the results they want. Public speakers usually have to learn to be charismatic when giving speeches. PUAs obviously use it to attract women. The most important factor about utilizing game is that women can't know when you're using it. They need to just believe you're naturally like that 24/7. If you know a guy is using game, then chances are he screwed up and got sl…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 12:02 PM
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Instead of trying to keep pace with women Interested in what you think happens when men don't try to keep pace with women?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 11:56 AM
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Works for players and fukbois 👍
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 11:48 AM
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A lot of blue pillers who first get red pilled go through a phase called RP Rage. When they initially learn about female nature, it pisses them off and they lash out. However, once they reach the point of acceptance they mellow out and come to accept what you have.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 11:39 AM
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Didn't get a chance to read the original post, but "creating misogynists" sounds ridiculous. All that is happening is guy that saw women date ruthlessly in their prime, and saw Chad's and Fukbois being successful are now mimicking those dating styles when they become the desirable option later on. They're doing what they saw working and what they saw women responding to. Only reason women are pissed is that the age these late bloomers start having fun just happens to be around the same age women…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 11:31 AM
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What about sitcoms? What about them? Most are also meant to be comedies, not guidelines on what to expect in real life. They exist to shut your brain off and enjoy the entertainment. Most of what you mentioned are comedies. The bumbling fat dad who gets into wacky adventures, and who has a beautiful smart wife whose essentially the polar opposite of him and the only voice of reason in the family is all part of the joke. Who do you think is watching the Simpsons and Family Guy and comparing their…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 04:37 AM
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Action movies exist to fulfill a power fantasy. They're not meant to be taken seriously or considered realistic scenarios. There's no message. Just buff guys killing villains and banging supermodels. Guys don't see this stuff and conflate it with real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 12:33 AM
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OP, you need to stop hanging out with toxic people who add no value to your life. Let these women deal with their own issues. You're not their shrink. And why are you taking to heart comments from a single mom, likely baby mama, of 4? She's in no position to comment on who should or shouldn't be having kids. Work on yourself and start meeting women in real life who aren't emotionally broken. Also, keep some info to yourself. You don't need to reveal every single detail to anybody who asks. They …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 12:17 AM
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women wanting men who are socially adept and extroverted is shallow I don't think anyone makes that claim. You'd be hard pressed to find a guy arguing against women liking a guy whose social. However, good social skills like having charisma, confidence, and controlling the flow of a conversation aren't nearly as easy or natural to achieve as simply being nice. Being nice is just not being a jerk, while social skills, on the other hand, often have to be developed over time. I wouldn't consider ei…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/23 03:12 PM
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Wanting someone to be nice is shallow now? 😕
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/23 01:28 PM
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Assuming they were unable to travel and use the internet prior
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/23 02:36 AM
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That's literally men addressing male problems. Ie, fixing our own problems as usual. Don't see what that has anything to do with feminism. Definitely doesn't prove feminists are trying to help men get equality. And there are plenty of instances where feminists have stood against the MRA, mocked the MRA, and pushed against the MRA getting laws more balanced so men can see their kids more, have a say in putting a child up for adoption, or getting more male rape clinics made. In fact, the man who m…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/23 12:51 AM
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When? He talked about personality and being feminine. How does that equate to looks only?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/23 12:41 AM
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If feminism was actually about equality for both genders, what have they done to help men? I'll wait...
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/23 12:37 AM
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As opposed to American women who expect both good looks and a high salary?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/23 12:31 AM
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How's that a negative for men? 🤔
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/23 12:30 AM
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They don't go to places where meals are $.30. This is the most nonsensical part of your whole argument. Who wouldn't want to go somewhere where the food and cost of living is a fraction of what it is where they're from? They shouldn't do this because you think it's exploitative for them to go where their income is multiplied and they can enjoy life more? Women outside of the west also aren't "better" nor are they more submissive. If they're more traditional then chances are they are more submiss…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 10:55 PM
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Depends. Does just wanting casual sex make you promiscuous? Or is there a particular point when someone becomes promiscuous? I think a promiscuous person criticizing another promiscuous person is hypocritical. But saying that a guy having ever even thought of having casual sex is equivalent to a person who actually engaged in casual sex with dozens of partners, and thus can't have any criticisms on that lifestyle is a bit of a stretch to say the least.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 06:38 PM
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How do you know a high n woman didn't have a single serious relationship and also give her deepest feelings to another man, and had every other sexual kink explored by dozens of other men on top of that?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 03:16 PM
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High n count women don't have first loves prior to the dozen or so other dudes they smashed afterwards?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 03:11 PM
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If other guys jizzed all over the seat.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 01:24 PM
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It's an advantage for a guy just looking to bang, but not an advantage for a guy looking for a woman with a track record of being committed to specific men. Especially if he marries her and needs to expect her to be horney for only him and loyal to only him for the remainder of their lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 01:00 PM
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It would be dumb to ask point blank because one, a lot of women will probably just lie, two, they'll get triggered and lash out to the guys face or talk dirt about him others. There are better ways to get that info, like following the breadcrumb trail of her reputation, but that's getting off topic. Different story for women in Germany tho, guys happily marry sex workers over there, so they could care less.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 12:56 PM
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Assuming she's been listening to me thus far, I'd tell her to vet him just like the rest. I'd also make it clear that she has 3 choices, a man who will take charge but will also probably expect a traditional woman as a wife. She likely won't have any power over him but will be taken care of. The second is a blue pilled guy with a bright future but believes in happy wife, happy life and all that nonsense. A guy like that will be easier to handle, especially with no prenuptial, if shit hits the fa…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 02:10 AM
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Steve the account was probably Steve-o the frat pot dealer in college when they met Steve, in my example, is supposed to represent an average dude. In your mind, average dudes are frat bros who sell pot? Most couples meet the person they marry during college age or shortly thereafter. The average age of marriage for the past few years has been around 30. If we're assuming most of these women met their men in college, it would mean most married women were with the same guy for over a decade, mean…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 01:58 AM
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And another survey showed 70% of women self-reporting that they aren't having regular orgasms. Which coincides with the dead bedroom crisis. So, either a lot of women are magically losing their sex drive post marriage or they settled for a guy who was not close to their sexual ideal. The later seems a lot more likely when you consider the effects of hookup culture and the incentives to settle for relationship security and commitment. Logically, Steve the accountant would make a good husband and …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 01:19 AM
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As if they would honestly report getting off more with Chad than the guy they married for security 🙄
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 12:53 AM
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lots of men often reject empathy from women if it doesn’t accompany what they want to hear What's an example of empathy a man wouldn't want? many men outright refuse to support each other and instead would rather actively compete In what situations do men refuse to help each other aside from the obvious? Men don't compete just for fun. It's the way our society functions. Every guy can't get the promotion, the perfect house, or the girl. If we're competing for something, obviously, we can't help …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 07:39 PM
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I agree with you, yet these age gap debates keep showing up despite it being as simple as you just pointed out. Aside of physical gifts, men don't accumulate resources such as money, nice cars, nice house, and all things that make then high SMV till at least 30+. And women generally peak in their beauty and fertility in their early 20's. So, logically, one gender is more likely to be attracted to the other the closer they are to their peak SMV.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 07:11 PM
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A youthful beautiful and fertile woman is the equal in SMV to like a doctor male. So a successful older man is equivalent I'm value to a young beautiful woman? Interesting seeing women start to jump on the age gap dating bandwagon.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 06:51 PM
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The claim was “Men are more romantic and love their women more”. Being romantic is an action. If men are doing more romantic action, then logically that would mean they are being more romantic. I don't know how else you could come to the conclusion. And it's impossible to quantify love, so, I won't bother addressing that as it's something that can't be proven in the first place. The fact you think being polite and with manners is a romantic gesture is JAW DROPPING. The fact that you don't think …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 04:43 PM
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So… you’re confirming the belief that men love more. I never claimed men love more, it's impossible to quantify love. I only disputed that me aren't more romantic. They are definitely expected to be more romantic when courting a woman. They're the ones overwhelmingly buying the chocolates and flowers on valentines. How is such a sweeping statement not “men are wonderful” Because I literally didn't say or imply what you thought I did. You're again just self inserting your own interpretation of wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 04:30 PM
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Women are expected to do the gesture of serving their family. Men aren't expected to do things for their family? Both men and women have roles in the family. If she isn’t working full time and homemaking together then she is just a homemaker and sacrificing her independence. You honestly expect me to believe that modern women who mostly identify as feminists, are working full time and doing all the housework themselves. I don't even think you honestly believe that. Nobody is forcing any woman to…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 04:16 PM
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Work full time and then come home after work and act as homemakers while their husband goes to the gym and plays video games. You know a bunch of modern women who work just as much as their men, come home, and do literally everything themselves while the guy does absolutely nothing?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 04:07 PM
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Because WOMEN WANT THAT, not because men want to. Romantic men are romantic. Men in general arent. The despute was whether or not men do more romantic gestures, the reason why isn't relevant. Either they do or they don't. And men in general do more in terms of courting than women do in general. Women don't usually court, they're the receiver. So, the person putting in more work to setup dates and be romantic is clearly showing more romantic gestures than the other. Its women who are the ones ste…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 03:59 PM
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Celebrate people who actually raised children properly. Thinking someone’s genitals dictate their level of competency as a parent is ridiculous. Whose making this claim? If we're going based on results of who raising children better, children from 2-parent households overwhelming perform the best. Having both a mother and father in the home is generally better than just having one parent. It's not a gendered issue. I wonder why that didnt stop the Michigan school shooter. Nothing is ever 100%, t…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 03:04 PM
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Because men don’t work full time or take care of their homes? This isn't a competition. Both do a lot. However, it's a fact that in early stages of dating men are the ones usually working to impress the woman. As a relationship is formed it starts to become more even.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 02:56 PM
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Only claim I made was the fact that in our society men have the burden of performance when it comes to courting and romantic gestures. That's what the "chivalry is dead" complaint women have centers around. And I'm not regurgitating some RP rhetoric. This is my own opinion which came to mind as she was saying men aren't more romantic. Seems disingenuous when we're the only ones expected to do things when courting. What romantic gestures are women expected to fulfill? Where's their equivalent of …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 02:52 PM
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I think you're doing these younger women more of a disservice by assuming there can't be anything likeable about them besides their bodies. You realize, if the guy just wanted to smash a younger woman he could hire an escort or sugar baby? If he's willing to enter into a committed relationship then chances are he liked more than just her body. She could have traits men are attracted to, such as being agreeable, feminine, nurturing, optimistic, fun. These aren't age locked traits. Any woman of an…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 02:42 PM
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Both people. Not always. I'm married and I'm still expected to plan dates 90% of the time. A lot of women expect men to take the lead when dating. They expect a lot of men to have a place in mind to go when asking them out. How often does a guy ask a girl out and she's like "okay, we're going to this location at this time. I'll pick you up at 8"? Men do that for the women in their families too. Doesn't make it less romantic when a man opens a car door for a woman or does any of the other things …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 02:27 PM
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You guys realize you’re proving my point about the bias Am I? I'm not the one who said celebrating parents was stupid, you did. How does this make me biased? Unlike you, I think both a mother and father are equally important and serve different roles, the dichotomy of which is fundamental for child development.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 02:17 PM
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Men are more romantic and love their women more When dating generally, who is it that approaches, plans the date, is expected to open the doors, pull out the chairs, give their coat when it's cold, etc? So, you tell me who performs more romantic gestures? And I don't recall anyone in RP claiming men love more, but we definitely file for divorce significantly less. Men’s love is more pure Who in RP made such a claim?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 02:01 PM
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Just because they have kids? That’s stupid. So, you think Mother's Day, a day dedicated to celebrating mothers is stupid? Noted.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 01:55 PM
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But in general most 18yo girls think guys over mid 30's are old. I'm talking about college aged girls, which ranges from 18-24. Bottom line, if younger women dating up is such an anomaly, why even have the conversation? If it's so rare then it's a non-issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/23 06:12 PM
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Based on what? Looks? You may not realize this but in terms of muscle mass, men reach their physical peak in their 30's. It's also the time when men start to make significant financial gains. Nice cars, nice clothes, a house, all the things women say they want. You think guys just exiting college can afford these things? The girl I knew from high-school wanted a man who could support her, so she could start a family right away. No guy her age was going to be in that position. I was broke in coll…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/23 02:29 PM
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"MILF Manor" is fantastic example of this double standard. Could you imagine the outrage if a bunch of middle-aged men got together to bang each other's daughters? But women banging each other's sons is not only acceptable but encouraged. One chick even admitted to everyone that she banged her sons best friend. Where's the equal level of outrage for that?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/23 12:57 PM
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That heavily depends on the 35 year old. Knew a girl both from high-school and another in college who both married guys in their 30's. Both got married in their early 20's. Point being, if a girl meets a guy and really likes him, you think the reveal that he's in his 30's is going to be what turns her off?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/23 11:22 AM
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Men simply aren’t a scarce resource in the same way that women are. You kidding? How are women a "scarce resource?" There are more women than men. Even if every single woman decided to pair off there would still be leftover women. Edit: Also, logically, how would 100% of women all get the top 50% of men even? Only way that's possible is by sharing. They would have to accept Polygamy, being side chicks or mistresses.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/23 11:00 AM
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They’ll definitely have sex they may even have relationships You think the top 10% of men have the time or desire to date the 90% of women that want them. Maybe the top 30% of women might qualify for a ONS, but the vast majority of women will never even get near men of that caliber. They'll have to settle for men they can actually obtain or stay single. Those will be the only options for the ones with expectations so high, it enters the realm of delusion.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/23 01:09 AM
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Therefore men should strive to be better if they want a shot and if they don’t want to “die alone” or whatever They should strive to be better, but not just to appease women. Are women striving to be better to appease men? That's a 2-way street.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/23 01:04 AM
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Wonder what makes the woman feel that this is the best option, but that's probably a story for another post. Did you miss the part where she's a near middle-age single mother of 7 with a butterface? I think she got someone close to her level given the stats.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/23 08:35 PM
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But I think our standards are pretty high for LTRs and marriage. Depends on the standards. Like you said, a lot of guys will flex on looks for a better personality. However, I don't think standards for men are that high for LTRs. It's usually stuff like weight, attitude, agreeableness, and don't be a thot. Those are very attainable and things women can change (aside from body count). Well he has nothing going on. Why does he just not date me and see where it goes. Does she know this as a fact, t…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/23 04:17 PM
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The argument being made by OP was that women are outcompeting men and thus have higher standards. However, I countered that point by also pointing out that the quality of the degree and careers following matter just as much, if not more, than the number of people getting degrees. Sure, one group is getting more degrees, but the other group is getting harder to obtain degrees in higher level/essential fields. So, I don't think we can say one group is doing significantly better than the other just…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 07:47 PM
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I also have a degree in English and am making six figures with it. However, majority of the people I went to school with and knew who graduated with this degree became teachers. Most of the people who went down the tech writing, proposal writing, or similar technical writing route were mostly guys like me and my roommate in college. Depends on the degree, but by and large, most people with an English degree or Gender Studies degree aren't making bank. English degrees are definitely a lot more fl…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 05:56 PM
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Most men's standards are low pretty early on. Why? Because an average dude or below isn't getting much play aiming above his level. Chad will lower his standards to smash, Stacie not so much. So, average Joe is only mostly getting action with women on his level. By the time Stacie lowers her standards for a committed relationship instead of situationship, Joe has long since known what his level is. But even if you ignore everything I just said, which sex is always talking about settling and not …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 04:26 PM
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Ah, so, are you saying that the standards are higher because of the degrees? I agree with that conclusion, but that still doesn't rule out standards being unreasonable. An ugly chick with a degree is still ugly. Her having a degree isn't suddenly going to make men who weren't attracted to her before look twice. So, if she's raising her standards because she got a degree, she's probably being a little delusional.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 04:17 PM
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How many of those guy's wives lowered their initial standards before meeting Mr. Right?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 04:06 PM
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When the claim is being made that one group is outcompeting another, we need to establish what the markers are for success. Is just getting a degree of any kind considered success here? 3 women with English degrees outcompetes a male surgeon? Does the value of the degree and career not factor in at all? What's the earning potential and value of the career to society as a whole? Those are equally important questions to ask when critiquing who is achieving more overall success.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 04:03 PM
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Sure, but this doesn't take into account how many women have degrees in useless fields such as Gender Studies vs STEM.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 03:54 PM
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Standards are affected by 2 main factors. Availability Qualifications Regarding availability, if you list all your requirements in a partner and look up how many men in your country meet said requirements statistically, this will give you a general idea of the chances of running into, let alone landing such a person. If those requirements put a guy in the top 10-15%, then you might want to flex on a few things. Now, regarding qualifications, this is dependent on the level of the person with said…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 03:00 PM
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Nobody is "at fault," but it's a lot more likely that one person deludes themselves into being in a relationship when they really want it, than the other way around. How else do you explain the disconnect? In what situation is a guy in a relationship but doesn't know he's in a relationship? Or knows he's in a relationship but self reports he isn't to an anonymous poll with nothing to gain?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 12:53 PM
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in both your scenarios, it’s the women getting “pumped and dumped” Because men usually do thr "pumping." Unless we want ti talk about gay guys or strapon Sallys.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 03:22 AM
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Someone who hates women is a misogynist. An incelmis just an involuntarily celibate. Means they can't get laid for one reason or another, like being shy or socially awkward. Doesn't have anything to do with hating women. Sure, some incels might also be misogynist, but being unable to get laid doesn't suddenly equate to a hate for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 02:32 AM
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I think it’s far more likely men will say they’re single when they’re not Unless they have a reason to lie, they wouldn't say they're single if they weren't single. It's not a relationship until both parties consent to exclusivity. If a guy is saying that he's single, it's likely because he never agreed to be exclusive to any of the girls his is casually seeing at that moment. In which case, those women are the ones mistaken for assuming they're in a relationship unless that was made abundantly …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 02:16 AM
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Show me a single video where an RP guy says the wall is definitively at 25 for all women. I've seen my fair share of RP content, and not once have I heard that argument being made. I've heard some RP guys on occasion say that the wall can start at 25, but that's not the same as saying the wall is at 25. The wall is essentially when a woman's looks are noticeable worse than her prime and usually coincides with a drop in fertility. If a woman prime is in her early to mid 20's, then sometime betwee…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 01:58 AM
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I've had friends tell me that my biggest high-school crushes were mid. I've also had friends whose taste in women I found mid also. Past 20, I haven't really had "crushes."
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/23 07:29 PM
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This seems to be a common trend of women reducing men's roles to reproduction and making money. A woman makes money and gets access to a sperm bank and suddenly thinks men have become absolute. Very misandrist mindset nowadays, but barely anybody pushes back on it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/23 04:43 PM
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"If 99.9% of the world's men were wiped out tomorrow, would the human race become extinct? It would not. The fact is, women can live without men, often do - but does that mean they want to" They're conflating the ability to reproduce with the ability for an individual to survive entirely on their own. Those are two different things. If men suddenly disappeared whose fixing cars, constructing buildings, fixing plumbing, repairing electricity, mining coal, digging for oil, etc? These are male domi…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/23 04:10 PM
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Yes, basically. But blame cancel culture and PC culture for that. When people get called sexist, misogynistic, and all kinds of phobic for giving their honest opinions, they stop being direct and honest to avoid the hassle. Unfortunately, I guy can't just say he doesn't want fat chicks without backlash and complete outrage ensuing.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/23 03:10 PM
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Red pillers will claim women are "post wall" by 25 You lost credibility here. Nobody says women are post wall by 25. Another example is Yumi nu which is a model who was shamed by Jordan peterson.Below and by many sources I've seen she is around 5'11 160 to 175 pounds which is actually considered a healthy weight. If I can visibly see excess fat on a person, do I need data to confirm what my own eyes already did? It's the visible aesthetics that matter even more than just BMI and numbers. A curvy…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/23 07:50 PM
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stop appealing to biology for every belief you have Not even making the claim that biology is responsible for everything. But can we not at least agree that some things might be the result of biology? That human being, like all other living creatures on this planet, have some instincts which effect some of our behaviors. Did society tell us that we needed to have sex too, or did that desire come from elsewhere?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/23 05:55 PM
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It's hilarious how you guys don't mention the growth in cuckoldry and men wanting to be dominated. Because cuckolds are a niche group of men. That's nowhere near the norm. Not comparable to the amount of women with fantasies about being dominant by men. The amount of women who want men to take charge and dominate them in the bedroom greatly outweighs the amount of men who like being humiliated while their wife gets plowed by other men. There's every kink in the book but what I'm talking about en…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/23 05:42 PM
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I'm asking you if you believe it's society? That's not what I personally believe, but I'm interested in how you think society managed to manipulate female power/submission sexual fantasies?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/23 05:35 PM
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Society told woman to get turned on by the idea of being dominated by a powerful man? If not Society, then where did it come from? Why do most female fantasies revolve around them being dominated, which logically puts them in a position of submission. Just the other day was watching a feminist go on and on about gender expectations etc, then admits to having a consensual non-consent kink. Which is basically rape role play. The biology clearly seems to be at conflict with the idea that roles of d…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/23 04:49 PM
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And women who say they were dating a narcissist or abuser do not conclude that they need an engineer making six figures. I wasn't implying those were the same women. Just pointing out the various scenarios where the ex is brought up as a being a poor choice. Men aren't the ones making women's exes out to be the bad guys or douchebags. That's the picture women paint of these guys themselves. After they do that, then yes, we will hold them accountable and tell them to choose better if they want be…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/23 03:29 PM
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Lots of women complain about their exes to the new guy they're dating or looking to date. Especially single mothers or women who go on spiels about why they need to raise their standards. I can believe they probably don't need to complain to their friends about an ex for sympathy points, but if a man is asking a woman why she's not with her child's father she needs to tell some story that paints her as the victim and him as the oppressor. Otherwise, the decision making skills are put into questi…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/23 02:37 PM
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Women self report dating losers then use that as justification for why they now need a top 10% guy. How many times have we heard about the deadbeat baby daddy and now they need to Engineer making six figures to take care of them and the deadbeats kids? Or how they're tired of getting used by fukbois and now need a "nice guy" whose doing well for himself to settle down with? How many times have we seen woman consider the word average as an insult? They want above average in either looks, status, …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/23 02:15 AM
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Your last paragraph pretty much sums up preselected, so I guess you do agree that it occurs. I do agree that for men who benefit most from preselection (not that handsome looking of men), when he’s around gorgeous women or happens to be dating one, it makes other women wonder (in an objective way) “what else does he offer?” Exactly. This peaks curiosity and will lead to some women pursuing this guy to find out. As a result, he will get more action. Other women see him getting more action and ass…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/23 12:35 AM
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So it is attraction based? Please reread what I just wrote. It's when other people's attraction to someone affects your attraction to that person. I’ve literally never seen this. You've never in your life seen women gain interest in a man once they noticed other attractive women interested in or having dated said man? If you say so. Vice versa, you've never seen a woman treat a man differently after realizing he has no other dating prospects besides just her? The man with women IRL usually is no…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/23 11:59 PM
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You’re saying pre-selection isn’t her finding you attractive. It's when a woman assumes a man's value or changes her opinion of a man based primarily on his ability to get women. If you took 2 identical men who were average in every category, except one is a virgin and the other has a long line of beautiful exes and has pictures of his surrounded by beautiful women, chances are the one with a known track record of dating beautiful women will have more women coming onto him. Why? Because in a lot…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/23 07:16 PM
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who assumedly also makes them happy and treats them well Why don't we give regular, non-rich men, that same benefit of the doubt?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/23 10:56 PM
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Define what you mean by "class" here? Are we talking class as in being from a prestigious family, or class as in same tax bracket? I don't believe an unattractive woman becomes more attractive to men just because she makes more money. Men have never had a problem dating women who don't make nearly as much as they do. Especially, if the expectation is that they're going to be the provider anyway and assuming they have more than enough to do so. Then the woman's money becomes irrelevant to the guy…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/23 10:31 PM
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I don't think that's a good comparison. Simping is more about pandering to women for their effection. You can be a simp and not put down other men. Men don't like simps because this sexual strategy usually accomplishes nothing but stroking the egos of mid women to the point where they become more insufferable and undatable. Women don't like Pickmes because, like you said, they see their actions as a direct attack on themselves. Prime example, the increase of housewives posting online all the thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/23 05:14 PM
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Tons of women who aren't Pickmes get smash and passed. That not specific to nice or agreeable woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/23 04:48 PM
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Lol, this eliminates like 90% of modern Western women. I agree 100% with your list tho.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/23 04:42 PM
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Every woman thinks they're a GOOD woman. Doesn't mean they actually are.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/23 04:41 PM
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Correlation does not equal causation. Unless YOU can explain how married women are directly responsible for their husbands' increased lifespan, it could just be a coincidence as far as we know. Maybe married men choose to go to the doctor more since they have more responsibilities, a family, and thus can't afford to be sick? Point being, there's no evidence as far as I know that exists proving women are directly responsible for married men living longer.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/23 04:38 PM
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I never claimed the traits have to be an equal 1:1. Of course, men and women value different things. Which is why I put emphasis on bringing equal value. If I have a list of 20 things I require in a woman I'm willing to date, yet I can barely name 5 things I'm bringing of value to them, then chances are I'm not bringing equal value. If so many women do date up, it's stands to reason it is the best women are the single ones that have been displaced. No idea what you mean by displacement. The "bes…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/23 04:24 PM
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I never said in "every measurable way," but some people date up and some date down. Just so happens that the majority of women date up, or at least try to. If an average woman wants a guy who makes more money than her, is taller than her, more fit than her, and above average in looks when compared to other men, then in what ways is she his equal? That's an example of aiming up. Numerous matchmakers and dating coaches have brought this up before, even female ones. The primary issue being women ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/23 02:29 PM
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Not sure how women are in Canada, however, based on what you said I assume those women actually mean what they say and their actions are consistent with that. In America, a lot of women contradict themselves. We have women claiming to want an equal, but then only going for guys superior to them in one way or another. We have women who scoff at the idea of fulfilling traditional roles but then date men expecting them to fulfill a bunch of traditional male roles. As you can probably guess, this ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/23 11:29 AM
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She definitely IS plain. She was literally written to be plain and they cast a plain looking actress who they didn't glam up at all. At least not in the first movie. That's the entire point of the fantasy. Regular average everyday woman is sought after as a conquest by some rich Chad with a sensitive side. Women love it because it let's them believe the unlikely delusion that this could happen to them too. That the average girl will land the top 10% man for reasons...
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/23 03:33 AM
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Theory#1: A man with options will fuck-zone several women and keep the one he likes the best. Not all women win but perhaps one does. I thought about this as well, but zoning implies that one person wants to progress the relationship while the other person simply refuses to. Like you said, he will only commit to the one he likes. Meaning, if she pushes him for commitment he will dump the other girls for her. So, he's not really zoning a girl he likes. She may start on his roster but if he sees a…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/23 11:34 PM
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For a woman to get fuckzoned it usually means a guy has already disqualified them as being worthy of a true relationship. Once a man makes that determination he's unlikely to reverse his opinion. For a lot of women, this is a point of no return. Friendzone on the other hand isn't a point of no return but more of a backup plan for women. If none of the Chad's they want commit to them, they'll fall back on one of the friendzone guys or orbitors when they get desperate. It's their safety net. Being…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/23 10:14 PM
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What do people have against books having good world building and a plot ffs. You unironically saying that 50 Shades had good world building and plot. It's literally some erotica fanfic some lonely middle-aged chick wrote after watching Twilight. She even copy pasted the premise of 2 GQ model looking guys fighting over the plainest girl imaginable. It's as unrealistic as it can gets. They are wholesome in their own way Rich guy with unlimited options obsessing over an average looking virgin for t…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/23 07:39 PM
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but they arent completely satisfied with that partner either because they want the best. If "the best" focused on looks, then no average or below average woman would get wifed, and all attractive women wouldn't be single. In most polls men rate their satisfaction in relationships higher than women and I think this is backed by the fact that they only file 20% of divorces. So they take her for granted, cheat on her or emotionally check out. Men and women cheat at equal rates, so that's a 2-way st…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/23 11:38 AM
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Most guys aren't as shallow as you think they are when it comes to choosing a LTR partner. I'm sure you've seen yourself plenty of average, below average, or overweight chicks get wifed. A lot of millionaires and rich men have wives that are plain Jane's. On the flip side, there are beautiful women who stay single indefinitely, IG models being a prime example. Why? Because a pleasant personality actually matters to men, femininity matters, being agreeable matters, having homemaking skills matter…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/23 03:02 AM
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Cause only chicks with big tits get wifed huh?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/23 02:35 AM
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Social women tend to invest a lot more into their appearance Doesn't stop their natural beauty from fading. All they do is pile on more make-up and botox to achieve the same looks as a young girl in her prime has with minimal effort. Not knocking the hussle but if she couldn't land a decent guy in her prime, what makes you think she'll do better in her decline? You'll see a lot more MILFs slamming mimosas at your typical brunch spot Sunday mornings than you will at church Typical female fantasy.…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 09:07 PM
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Someone in RP said it best when they said men build islands and women sail boats looking for islands to settle at. Women want to find an already finished beautiful island to call home most of the time. They may upkeep the island and help you keep it looking nice, but ultimately, you're the one who has to build that island in the first place. Your mental health and happiness is a key foundation to that island. You can't expect women to come in and build that for you. You have to put in the work y…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 04:26 PM
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However, it's very rare for an extroverted, hot woman to be involuntarily single. Men don't really imply that these women aren't voluntary single. There will always be a guy that will take a woman no matter the background or looks. The only question is do that want those guys? The primary complaint of older single women or femcels is a lack of good high-quality men that will commit to them. So, the problem has never been a complete lack of suitors but that the men they want may not want them for…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 01:32 PM
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Promiscuity is a risky behavior for both men and women. True, but the limits and expectations are different. There is a point a guy can reach where sleeping around negatively effects his reputation and some woman will avoid him. However, the threshold is much higher and women tend to have this desire to take men who are players, cheaters, etc, and try to change or "fix" them. Men don't think this way. We don't usually want to have to try to change a woman or deal with her baggage. We're investig…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 12:29 PM
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Most men are fine with an average amount. The only women who will have a problems are those with an above average count.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 11:53 AM
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Those 20+ people ultimately just become background noise. There could still be 1-2 men in that 20+ that she really liked. More bodies doesn't eliminate the possibility of her having men she really fancied in the mix. In fact, I'd say the opposite, she's more likely to have at least 1 or 2 guys that were special to her in that long list of men she's been with.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 11:48 AM
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but he will have a worse attitude towards her because of his setup, and she will probably lie to him about her sexual history so that he does not judge her. Which will damage their relationship from the start. Yeah, lying about things you know the other person values in a partner usually does lead to problems in the relationship. It's the individuals own fault for lying. If you're too ashamed of your choices to be honest about them, should you have done them in the first place?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 11:41 AM
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But for many, it's too much fun to give it up voluntarily, and there's probably no point in trying to impose a sexual prohibition. But then this raises another flag of a lack of self control. In certain places, like America, once a woman gets a reputation for sleeping around it negatively effects her LTR dating prospects. I'm supposed to believe that a woman who couldn't control herself when her own reputation was on the line, will stay loyal to me for the remainder of our lives? Guys tend to de…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 11:30 AM
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you don’t value women who do childcare then you should do all the childcare yourself. And THAT'S worth over $100 billion worth of work to you? You realize he could have hired a live in nanny for 0.01% of that? For all wr know he could have very well done that. If a woman who builds you up isn’t good enough for you then don’t whine about women who don’t want to build a man up. That's not worth $100 billion, especially if you're going to leave with half the company also. Give me a good reason why …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 07:45 PM
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But if she was a submissive woman she would deserve the billions? I never said that. Only someone who put in equal work deserves an equal split. A combative woman is going to go for the jugular every time, whether it's her fair share or not. She's going to leave when she feels like it and take what she can on the way out. A ride-or-die is with you for life. Or are you saying no woman who marries a man before he made it, and stuck with him deserves least half of their marital property accumulated…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 06:09 PM
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You just can't handle them, lol
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 04:28 PM
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experienced a relationship with a man who hid his toxic traits at first. Once a woman starts complaining about said traits, then obviously they are no longer hidden. If she continues to stay with a guy despite that then that's on her.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 04:20 PM
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That can also be true. It's usually true, but most of these women lack the self awareness to realize that they themselves have toxic traits. That's part of why they are attracted to those guys. Women with issues such as not having a dad or history of abuse tend to be attracted to dysfunctional men the most.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 03:44 PM
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Does it matter? I'd argue that the reason why they choose a toxic guy isn't nearly as relevant as the fact that they chose him despite his toxicity. All you need to know about a woman lies in her choices. In my experience, water finds its own level. Toxicity is attracted to toxicity, dysfunctional people seek out other dysfunctional people. The women who tend to choose men with issues often have issues themselves and should be avoided. They play the victim and naivety each time but they know wha…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 03:31 PM
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Of course, women pay for this when they are beaten in relationships and then ask for actually nice guys for help This 👆 It's fine when those women want to choose the toxic guy they can rehabilitate because it's fun and exciting. However, then after he's used and abused them, they've wasted their youth, accumulated emotional baggage, possibly had kids or a hoe phase on top of that, suddenly they're running to those same lame nice guys. Where was that same energy from earlier? Zero accountability …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 02:45 PM
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Yeah, but it was never equivalent to half of the company.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 02:30 PM
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I stand by my previous statement. Only way she deserves half is if she did exactly half the work, not just in the initial creation of Amazon but also in running Amazon till the moment he retired from the company.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 01:11 PM
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Only way she deserves half is if she did exactly half the work it took to build Amazon. How exactly is that her "fair share." Making him a sandwich while he works is not effort worth 100+ billion. Women really be stretching what they think they're entitled to, smh.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 01:00 PM
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Nothing she contributed could be worth billions and half of Amazon, nor does she need billions or half of Amazon to survive. Regardless, this discussion isn't about Bezos' reaction to losing half his fortune and company to his wife. He was brought up as an example of a man marrying a woman who isn't submissive woman. Well, this is the result of him marrying a non-submissive women. He is a good example, but not in the way OP thought.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 12:49 PM
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Just because the loss didn't effect Bezos' everyday life doesn't mean he didn't take a major L. In no reality is losing half your wealth and company ever a good thing. Clearly he didn't learn his lesson tho
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 05:21 AM
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Jeff Bezos is a bad example here. His strong non-submissive wife took billions from him and his new girl will probably do the same. I'll give you George Clooney but let's not forget that he's still been with numerous younger women prior and his wife is almost 2 decades younger than him. Even if we say he married an older woman, she's young relative to him.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 05:07 AM
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According to this sub, men are struggling to have sex with women let alone a stable relationship. Men on here are complaining about access to sex and relationships, not that the relationships aren't stable. And my point is that I think women figure out RP tactics sooner & earlier than most here would generally assume RP "tactics" for the most part is just imitating the same behaviors of Chad's to be successful with women early on. However, fukboys and Chad's have existed long before RP. To those…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 05:01 AM
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I'm not specifically talking about you. Just pointing out what you said about a lot of women going through this phase. There are a lot of women in their 30's singing the same tune, there phase just lasted longer. He also gets a stable relationship with benefits that he wants. Billions of women on the planet, I don't think a "stable relationship" is that unique of an offer. Pretty sure most mentally stable women can offer this. How’s he finishing last? Because based on what you said about how mos…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 04:25 AM
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The world doesn't owe anyone understanding. We all make mistakes, doesn't mean there aren't repercussions for those decisions. Who doesn't want to be the desirable option in a woman's prime? The reward for good men is that they get to be the backup option once Chad uses up her youth, her body, and leaves her with emotional baggage? And this is somehow a victory for good men because they win in the end apparently? Then you wonder why guys aren't jumping for joy at this outcome.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 03:49 AM
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I suspect this is true of a lot of young women. They might like that kind of guy early on, but once you hit a certain point of maturity, that’s not what’s attractive. Basically, nice guys finish last lol
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 03:37 AM
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I think the issue here is that you seem to be conflating PUA with fukboy behavior. Those two things aren't necessarily related. As far as I know, there's no specific part in PUA that encourages men to lie to women. It's more about reading her body language, learning how to carry yourself and escalate the situation towards intimacy. If a man chooses to incorporate these techniques but also lie to a woman, that's not on PUA. That's because he himself is a fukboy and chose to do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/23 04:23 PM
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The goal of having casual sex without any intent to take it further Lots of people who aren't PUA have casual sex. Casual sex by definition, doesn't guarantee a relationship, that's why it's "casual." So what you're saying is it's okay to talk women into ONS, but if you use any strategy to do it, then suddenly it's wrong? Being lusty and passively Interested in her body is different than being interested in her as a person. This literally describes any guy hitting on a woman he doesn't know very…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/23 02:27 PM
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If that goal is shared by the other person aswell, then do what you will. What "goal" are we talking about here? But if you are fooling someone into believing you like or are interested Chances are a guy wouldn't hit on a woman if he has absolutely zero interest in her. There's gotta be some interest to make him approach in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/23 01:49 PM
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When is picking up women not for personal gain? Who do men do that for besides themselves? So it's okay to hit on women aimlessly but developing a process that makes you more successful is wrong? 🤔
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/23 01:04 PM
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So it’s pseudoscience. You think psychology is pseudoscience? A bunch of people observe things and think their N=1 subjective observations are generalizeable I'm not even sure what you're taking issue with here. It's not that complicated. If I spend 2-3 years going out every weekend to pick up women, chances are I'm going to notice certain patterns. Some of it will be a subjective experiences based on who I am, that's why you get other guys you know to put the same techniques to practice. You al…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/23 02:35 AM
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Accept PUA isn't magic, it's psychology. It's understandable subtle signals, body language, creating a sense of comfort, understanding how your actions and words lower or increase attraction based on the scenario and various factors. It's dudes who studied female psychology and behaviors till they had picking up women down to a science. Obviously, there are phonies and grifters but some of the men doing it are legit and spend years to get as good as they got.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/23 01:42 AM
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If they're being taken advantage of doesn't that mean they date? In which case, how does that also make them invisible? Or are they just invisible to the guys they want, but very visible to the men they don't want?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 07:21 PM
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What do you mean by "genuine" in this context? Even sexual interest is interest. When I think of someone who is "invisible" to the opposite sex, I'm thinking nobody is interested in them at all, for relationships or sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 05:53 PM
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Seems like men and women have 2 entirely different ideas of what it means to be invisible. A guy says he's invisible and he's not getting any interest on any platforms for possibly years+. A woman says she's invisible and it usually means she's not getting the amount of interest she wants, from the caliber of man she wants, in the exact scenarios she wants to get it. Same women saying this can still go on Tinder and get 100+ matches a day or have guys in the friend zone. They're version of being…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 04:56 PM
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So, if she created a dating profile right now she would get zero matches?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 04:46 PM
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Plenty of men who are sexy This is the only trait that makes the majority of women overlook broke men. An average looking broke guy isn't getting much play.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 01:31 PM
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How are you defining LVW? And didn't you say a real man isn't a fukboy? Yet you married a fukboy and most the fukboys you know are married. So, fukboys are real men then apparently.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 08:17 AM
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I mean- would you pump and dump an HVW? Why are men expecting us to do something they don't do? A HVW likely wouldn't have allowed herself to be pumped and dumped multiple times. She would have vetted men properly.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 08:12 AM
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Fuck Boy doesn't respect women but relies on us to boost his ego- it's not something to aim for. Riiiigggghhhht, but being some backup nice guy whose the last resort when I woman is hitting the wall in her 30's and who has to wait 3+ dates to get laid IS something to strive for? A real man can get a girl to settle down. 😑
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 08:07 AM
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No one told them to just eat junk food. The broccoli might not be exciting or flavorful enough for their pallet, but it won't give them the runs.
/r/AllPillDebate20/05/23 05:10 PM
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Shooting your shot doesn't make someone delusional. Lots of people go after what they want even if they know the chances are slim. It's only delusional to think you're entitled to a certain caliber of person and constantly complaining about not getting what you think you deserve.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/23 03:20 PM
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Because female dating advice is often vague and idealistic, not rooted in reality but possibility. Like, give an example of what you think is good dating advice women give?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/23 11:52 AM
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I meant the world likes lists, absolutes. It doesn’t like ‘grey areas’. Probably because little gets accomplished when you focus on Grey areas all the time. Asking direct questions that require direct answers is the best way to cut through the bs and platitudes to get to the truth. Everything has exceptions but it's more logical to focus on what's general true. Generally I find most standards women have are based on previous bad experiences Or it could just be what they're attracted to. Salary m…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 07:41 PM
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Well, when you have women who talk about traditional wife's and their roles as being akin to slavery, when nuclear families are demonized and hookup culture is glorified, when "till death" becomes "till I'm no longer 100% satisfied," and hedonism becomes more important than duty or family, what other result can there really be? Almost every aspect of long-term relationships and marriage have become de-incentivized for men. Men now get more from smashing and passing than committing.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 06:52 PM
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Because the world tried to force us to think like that. How? Whose telling women that they need to have standards for height or resources besides other women? guarentee they won’t meet all the list requirements because feelings are not logical Well, most guys would have to be near perfect to fulfill ALL of most Western women's requirements. Most have to flex on these standards if they can't actually get commitment from a guy who meets all the requirements. That still doesn't change the fact that…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 05:54 PM
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Why do Western women like yourself always assume these women are poor or living in a gutter? Most traditional women look for a traditional men who qualify as providers. Even so called progressive modern women have financial expectations of men and disqualify some men if they don't earn enough. Seems the only difference here is that foreign women are more up front about this expectation, while Western women like to sugarcoat it in an attempt to gain some perceived moral high-ground despite vettin…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 04:40 PM
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Implying they don't already? You realize plenty of women start listing standards like height and salary when told to name their ideal guy on numerous dating shows?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 02:56 PM
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It's a cliche that people bring up because it's banal, not because it's acceptable or default. It's cliche because it should be obvious that men are attracted to youth and beauty. Just like women are attracted to tall, dark, and handsome. And who exactly determines what's acceptable? I think it's acceptable for grown adults to date whoever they want. If I had a friend who wanted to date a much older woman, it's my job to police who he dates if I disagree? Younger men have the same advantage. Not…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 07:24 AM
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There's more to a whole relationship than physicality. Never said there wasn't, but that often requires you date to get to know the person to find all that out. None of this starts without first attracting a guy, which is where attractiveness comes into play. Which is why younger women have an advantage and tend to attract the widest range of men of all ages. Anyone who is Leo's age ought to see that. Leo is a guy who can have a wide variety of women of any age really. He's proven that. He's goi…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 01:59 AM
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I think the point he's making is that men dating younger has never been about limited options. Plenty of men across multiple cultures throughout history have dated/married younger when given the option. A woman's physical prime is in her earlier to mid 20's. Men of all ages are going to find a woman around that point attractive since she's literally at her peak natural beauty. That's the bottom line.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 01:03 AM
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Raw physical attraction may not be optional but women will change their priorities based on factors like where they are in life and what kind of results they are getting. Meaning, they'll date the nerdy engineer when they want to settle down but he may not get there absolute best in the bedroom if the raw attraction or lust isn't there. That's them settling in one way or another, sometimes it's looks, sometimes personality, finances, swag, etc. Another equally important factor is the "vibe." If …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/23 10:14 PM
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Depends on who is rarer and harder to replace. A pretty woman or a guy in the top 10%? An above average woman may have a lot of options, but only a select few will meet her criteria. Since she's going after a niche group of select top-tier men, makes it a lot harder to just next them.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/23 12:56 PM
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I didn’t once claim women don’t also cheat as much. Then what point were you making here? Not a fact. Use real statistics please Look up the rate at which women file for divorce. I did not say “the majority”. I said it is “far from universal” You said "some" which can be taken as the minority. Otherwise, a better word to use here would have been "most." Most men stick by their wives when they age. And nothing is universal or 100%, so that's a moot point. If 80% of divorces are filed by women, th…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/23 07:52 PM
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Loads of men cheat on or abandon their wives Men and women cheat at equal rates and women leave their families at an 80%. This isn't the 1960's, these are the current stats. How long are women going to play the victims based on hardships their Great Grandmother's went through? Some men can still love a woman as she ages, but it’s far from universal. Bold claim. Can you prove that the majority of men are leaving their wives for aging? Finding a man who cares about a lot more than youth is necessa…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/23 07:07 PM
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Doesn't make as much sense when you actually think about it. First of all, women are the ones leaving marriages at an 80% rate. Out of the 20% of guys initiating the divorces, how many 60-70 year old dudes are in a position to leave their wives for models or much younger attractive women? Likely only the ones very well off financially or who look really good for their age (mostly in shape/toned). That's not a significant enough amount of men to make the argument that men leaving their wives beca…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/23 06:58 PM
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Nobody limited her to only dating guys her exact age. However, I highly doubt that was the issue. Some women just don't take partner selection that seriously in their 20's. They squander their prime in situationships and focusing on their career.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/23 02:21 PM
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That doesn't explain it because ALL women experience menopause. Women who are still single and childless by middle age are the minority in the States. So, how does it make sense that they are on more antidepressants than the majority of women? You know the answer to this, but like I said, copium is a helluva drug.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/23 01:52 PM
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Most people (men and women) are getting married in their early to mid 30’s once they’ve found a decent partner They usually find that partner in their 20's and decide to tie the knot in their 30's. That's what I did. Women still single into their 30's are also competing with women in their 20's at that point. Makes things much harder to find this "decent partner" she wasn't able to lock down in her prime.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/23 01:11 PM
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Except single and childless middle-aged women are the group on the most anti-depressant medications in this country. Just because every woman says they're happy in solitude doesn't make it's interely true. Copium is one hell of a drug.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/23 01:09 PM
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The only women who need to worry are those who never once truly considered what they bring to a relationship that's valuable outside of being eye candy. There's more to attraction than just the physical side of it, and just because a 45 year old woman may be objectively less attractive than when she was 25 doesn't mean she's ugly.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/23 12:51 PM
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just be normal and not a sociopath. Why bother? If, according to OP, trying to be nice is worse than being an unapologetic asshole, might as well be an unapologetic sociopath as well. Why not be a sociopath if it doesn't make a difference? Being nice shouldn't take effort. Going by OPs logic, if you're an asshole who wants to be better, you should not bother making the effort to be better. It's better for you to just remain an asshole.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/23 09:00 PM
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Yes, in a perfect world, everyone would be completely selfless saints. However, that's not the world we live in. Most people don't start out 100% mature, honest, etc from the jump. If everyone did, what would be the point of going to church or any self-development? OP seems be making a point that being good but not completely selfless is objectively worse than being bad but having some redeeming qualities. Thing is, he's probably right in terms of dating dynamics. However, I definitely wouldn't …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/23 07:51 PM
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Being “bad” just to get their attention is just as bad as being nice and expecting them to like you. Who needs to pretend? Being selfless and empathetic takes effort. Being selfish doesn't. It just requires you stop giving a shit about anyone else but yourself. Seems like the idea being pushed is that bad or good doesn't matter in mate selection, just be attractive. If you're attractive, you can be as selfish as you want, it's not going to make a difference. If you're unattractive, also be as se…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/23 01:44 PM
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So, what's the moral here? That it's better to be an unapologetic asshole than trying to be a nice guy? Because if you try to be "nice guy" and aren't 100% selfless, then you're apparently an incomplete manchild whose going to be shat on for even trying. However, if you're an asshole who doesn't bother you're still respected for any positive trait you may possess. You're an asshole for being an asshole and an asshole for trying to be a "nice guy." Damned if you do, damned if you don't. So we all…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/23 03:57 AM
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You think a woman is going to stay with a guy she thinks is dumber than herself and who she has to make all decisions for? This isn't a sitcom. Most women want a guy they can rely on. If they can't, they'll usually leave for someone better.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/23 01:02 PM
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Unless man B is both attractive and lies about what he does for a living, he's not going to be having more sex. His success rate would be low. If free time and intent was all it took to get laid, lots of young men with free time would be getting laid constantly. Time constraints are not the only factors at play here. Guy B needs to be attractive or have other things about him that are perceived attractive by women to be getting consistent sex. The sex alone is not what makes him high value but t…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/23 02:51 AM
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When did it become unethical for two legal adults to date? Who made that determination?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/23 06:06 PM
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Depends on what the goal is. If the goal is to get a high quality women for long-term, then yes, you're probably right. But if you're just trying to get laid, being good looking and having game goes a lot farther than status and money. Why? Because women mostly go by vibes, especially if they don't know you.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/23 03:02 PM
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viral tiktok about how a guy was rejected by women in his 20’s and now that he’s 30 and moderately successful, he will exclusively date 20 year old women. Well, there's your real answer. Clearly, in this guys case it's not just about the age, it's more so about the fact that he was continuously rejected by women his own age growing up. He says it himself. He's likely experiencing what we call "RP Rage." Girls likely curbed him for Chad, then saw him as a viable option once he developed himself p…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/23 02:57 PM
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Pretty sure you're paraphrasing what was actually said. You've come across numerous men who said verbatim that women their age were disgusting, or is that more so your interpretation of what they said?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/23 03:26 AM
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Just because a guy may find younger women attractive doesn't mean by default all women his age are disgusting. It's not that black and white.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/23 03:18 AM
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This is why our society is so backwards. So, it's completely okay for an 18 year old to sleep with a much older man for money, but if she gets with an older man out of love or a genuine connection that's immoral? WTF
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/23 03:14 AM
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If these "kids" commit a felony at 18, they are tried as grown adults. And these "kids" can join the army and kill people for a living. The problem with going based on your personal feelings about what counts as an adult, is that it's subjective and follows no particular standard. If we all just go by our feelings, then there will never be a concensus on what age qualifies as an adult. And being a legal adult doesn't necessarily automatically make you mature. You could have an 18 year old whose …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/23 10:14 PM
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It’s hurtful and should stop especially since the ugly or unattractive men who comment about it bitch and cry when someone turns around and does it to them. I hope you're lecturing women equally on why they shouldn't vocalize their standards on height, money, looks, etc. Since that can hurt some men's feelings, they need to stay quiet about it. Or do you only take issue when men bring up standards that you don't like? If it's the latter, then that sounds like a you problem. I have no idea the in…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/23 08:13 PM
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Probably has higher libido, which is important long-term. True, but could also make her more likely to explore other options. Especially if she's used to variety. We already know what we like. Cool, but why is this listed as a benefit to men? That just benefits yourself. We won't have the late 20s crisis of "oh, I never went out to have fun". True, but could have the post 30s crisis of "I don't want to settle for an average guy when I've experienced Chad, Brad, and Thad." Or the post marriage cr…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/23 06:12 PM
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Have your standards but stop dragging people through the mud and causing them harm because they don’t fit them. Whose actually doing that IRL? Most women here have said they don't even get asked this, so outside of these discussion forums, it's unlikely men are volunteering their opinions on n count. And it's very doubtful they're going out of their way to lecture and put down random women about their counts. Guys mostly vet this in silence. It's how some women end up fuckzoned and don't know wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/23 05:45 PM
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That's a good point to make. Rarely would the only difference be the n count. A promiscuous woman and a low n count woman likely wouldn't be similar in personality. Like you mentioned, one is likely more impulsive while the other is likely more conservative. And there will be numerous other differences.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/23 05:40 PM
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Because she has a much higher statistical chance to cheat or divorce her man. Her lying about it doesn't reduce those odds. It just tricks the guy into committing to a woman with a high likelihood to screw him over.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/23 02:37 PM
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Do they stay long enough for it to even matter?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/23 02:15 PM
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That's the same strategy men use to attract 99% of women. All guys have to know the right things to say with flirting with any women, and all guys dress nice and drive flashy cars to impress women in general. It's not usually a targeted strategy. And ironically, the two girls I went to school with who married men around 10 years older than them, didn't even marry flashy guys like that. One married a nerdy IT guy and the other married a goofy elementary school teacher. Both of which were just reg…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/23 01:55 PM
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That's the male equivalent of settling essentially. Just like women have to compromise on the idea of getting every trait they want in a man, some men have to make compromises with women. Not asking a woman her body count because you like everything else about her and don't want that information to ruin it, is one of those compromises. Doesn't necessarily mean the guy doesn't care but he's choosing willful ignorance for the sake of a relationship he feels is his best option.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/23 06:27 AM
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If he's scoring younger women in their prime he can't be doing that bad. Keep in mind that this younger women chose him over all the male peers her age. She was more attracted to him for some reason clearly.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/23 01:46 AM
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Wow, lol, you took simping to a whole nother level my guy. Giving Will Smith a run for his money with this cringe post
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 11:04 PM
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Oh, like what tribes specifically?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 10:59 PM
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Guess that makes all skinny people above average, including men. Assuming being fat is the new average.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 10:52 PM
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Lol, I get what you're saying to an extent but let's not pretend like careers are a turn-off for men. Every grown adult living on their own has a job/career. These so called "career women" are usually single because they have combative, egotistical, and just plain masculine traits many men find insufferable. Has little to do with there careers. They can't imagine a relationship without power dynamics. It can't just be that the broke woman is pleasant to be around and feminine traits that the man…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 04:58 PM
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How many women do you think consider a fat guy to be average though?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 04:31 PM
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Considering that almost anywhere else in the world obesity is considered below average, I think it's fair to say that a lot of Americans are likely below average at least by this metric. But luckily, below average people can date each other. It's not the end of the world to be average or below average, but those people have a hard time when they're not humble enough to date within their lane. However, we're strictly talking looks here. There are overweight men and women who compensate in other w…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 04:21 PM
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People are just looking for excuses to get triggered nowadays. This country agreed to 18+ being a legal adult, so we should just leave it at that and let adults choose who they want to date. Nobody really has a say in this outside of the 2 people who chose to start a relationship. This debate is never ending because we all have subjective opinions on what is a mature age or an acceptable age gap. There's never going to be a 100% consensus on this and the goalpost keeps shifting as you just point…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 04:10 PM
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You might be right but as neither men nor woman find fat people attractive in general, I'd say it's hard to really push the idea that this is the average when it's practically universally accepted that being fat makes you below average in the dating market. The results pretty much speak for themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 04:02 PM
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This is why passport bros exist. When you realize a 7 in America is a 4 in Brazil, makes you open to new global options.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 03:54 PM
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Yeah, I refuse to believe we live in a world where fat chicks are the norm. And even if that was the case, men should not settle for that. Unlike height or looks, you can lose weight whenever. The weight is often a byproduct of being lazy, unmotivated, or neglecting ones own health. All of those are negative triats on their own on top of being physically unattractive due to obesity.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 03:51 PM
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Then I'm Alpha, you're Alpha, everybody might as well be Alpha by that definition.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 03:43 PM
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Umm, no, that's literal common sense. If you want to be successful in something, you take advice from other people who are successful in their field, not people who failed to get successful results. I wouldn't go to a homeless man for advice on real estate or home ownership. Unless the advice I'm looking for is what not to do. it’s about her growing a good attitude of living her own life to make herself happy This is such a vague description that 90% of older women would likely self-identify as …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 02:02 PM
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Hopefully, these Alpha women are married. Otherwise, they probably shouldn't be giving other younger women advice in dating. If an "Alpha" woman is somehow still single past 30, then clearly she wasn't as desirable as she thought she was. And unless the younger woman want to end up like her, they should take her advice with a grain of salt.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 01:41 PM
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Wondering which specific ideology of TRP you believe is misogynistic by definition and widely agreed upon by most men of TRP?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 01:47 AM
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But he doesn’t get to make new ones until he gains the approval of the alpha female This is completely false. He doesn't need the approval of a single lioness. You think she gave the lion approval to kill her kids? Also, he has new cubs with multiple lionesses, not just one. They have to allow this for survival. Once he proves he's the strongest in the Pride they literally can't challenge him.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/23 12:56 PM
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No, an alpha female has experience Experience in what specifically? she’s been through the wars What does this even mean? it’s not about being pretty So, an Alpha Female can be ugly? Now I'm really confused. The other woman respect her because she’s past the point of caring what random males think of her yet Sounds like you're talking about some wise old lady. I wouldn't call that an Alpha tho. Alpha in terms of dating dynamics is determined by the opposite sex. Are you strictly talking about Al…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/23 11:18 PM
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I can't even feel bad for women like this, or most women in her shoes. By her own admission she's fat, ugly, and old, yet still thinks she's to good for 90% of her matches. Apparently, she's racist too considering she disqualified a genuine guy for no other reason than being Indian. Luckily, life has given her the results she deserves, so there's some justice in the universe.
/r/AllPillDebate08/05/23 07:46 PM
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Although I agree that a lot of these guys are fake gurus, I don't think a sex worker is really in a position to be looking down on anyone. They made their careers around be successful and getting women, so of course they're going to manipulate the optics to more followers, which equals more money. IG and OF models do the same thing. Using Photoshop and dating apps to farm for followers and subscribers. I'd be surprised if this sex worker hasn't done literally the exact same thing. And her point …
/r/AllPillDebate08/05/23 07:24 PM
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If men can have kids and careers so can women, why should that be an issue for one gender and not the other? Because of biology. You should know this already. Men don't have geriatric pregnancy or menopause. We can have kids until we die, so there's not as much pressure for us. We're working on 2 different timelines.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/23 01:35 PM
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Typically dynamics would come from family, religion etc Yeah, but if that doesn't give young men the results they desire, logically, they'll start looking elsewhere for solutions. UK schools had to send a mass text to parents explaining how they'll address Andrew tate influence. This is funny because it'll likely have the opposite effect. Tate has marketed himself as a man fighting against a corrupt system. Trying to forcefully censure him will only add credibility to his claims. The only real w…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/23 05:18 AM
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I disagree with F&F on various things, but I do think they help men succeed. They teach men that they need to improve on things that women find attractive. Even if most of these guys won't reach the tip 20%, improving their finances, physique, game, status, etc is still likely to improve their chances with women. So, I think that still counts as success. When discussing how helpful the TRP is for men, it always comes back to the fact that regardless of how helpful it is, TRP is really the only c…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/23 03:15 AM
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We have logic and reason. Something a lot more useful.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/23 03:36 PM
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Kill with their bare hands and take what they want by brute force.
/r/AllPillDebate06/05/23 04:06 PM
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Did you feel the need to post this because you consider this a rare situation? And if so, why do you think it's such a rare and unique situation?
/r/AllPillDebate05/05/23 08:13 PM
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Not trying to minimize it. Single fathers also exist. Just making it clear that both sexes are fully capable of taking care if the home and kids when necessary. Only thing keeping men from willingly taking on that role more is the shame they receive for doing so.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/23 01:49 PM
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I know, but considering over 90% of the life-threatening jobs are done by men, from mining to oil rigs, to construction, to the Marines, etc. Pretty sure most guys can also handle childcare and housework.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/23 05:25 AM
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Adding to this also, a lot of women have a tendency to rely heavily on their looks during their youth. This isn't anything new. As those looks begin to fade you need to compensate where you can. Improve your personality, homemaking skills, learn more makeup techniques, style your nails and hair. Focus on the things men like and improve what you can. Not all hope is lost but accept that until now you've been able to slack probably, but now attracting men will need to be a conscious effort.
/r/RedPillWomen04/05/23 07:24 PM
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Yeah, but no. Joint finances are usually for the household and in a lot of cases the individuals could still have separate accounts. Most guys don't enter a relationship looking to use their girls money for personal benefit, unless we're talking male golddiggers. Two individuals combining income to achieve a higher standard of living is a different scenario as it's mutually beneficial. Take a guy making 80K, dating/marrying a woman making 30K. He may pay for his woman to go to the spa, get her n…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/23 07:07 PM
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I personally feel like if both people are working and high earners, home duties shouldn’t matter. It matters if one or both individuals like coming home to a clean home or home cooked meal. A lot of guys consider that factor when considering a wife or mother to their children. They vet on nurturing capabilities, which often includes homemaking skills. Depends on the guy and his expectations. Some guys will be flexible on this,depending on the woman's situation. Personally, I don’t necessarily li…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/23 06:52 PM
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Clearly B
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/23 05:18 PM
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It only becomes problematic when she gets raises and promotions, starts making even more money and he is left where he started. Need a lot more context. Did she, or any of her friends/family, at any point criticize or make fun of the guy making more? Did her attitude towards her man change at all? Did her responsibilities at home change? If literally nothing changed aside from her making more money, and that was confirmed the reason they guy left, then maybe I'd buy that he had an insecurity abo…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/23 05:17 PM
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The same behavior a woman may find creepy or annoying when coming from one man, can be charming or sweet coming from a man she actually finds very attractive. Society has a name for this phenomenon, pretty privilege.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/23 05:06 PM
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Then most guys don't care. Most guys aren't looking for a woman to provide for them, so they're indifferent to her resources. What matters more are her looks and personality. A lot of women who say guys are intimidated by the money they make just don't realize that it was never about the money, it was because they took on masculine traits like the ones I just mentioned. TL;DR - Don't care if she has money, just don't be masculine.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/23 04:56 PM
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They tend to be belligerent and egotistical. Those are very masculine traits men don't find attractive. There are business women who are still very feminine, personality-wise, but they are rare.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/23 04:23 PM
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Book smarts isn't the same as street smarts though. I've met very intelligent woman who lack common sense, social skills, or the drive/ingenuity to build a business or advance to a high level in the corporate world.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/23 04:20 PM
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What does his salary have to do with whatever she makes? Are we assuming a woman making money is going to come in and give her money to her man? Whatever she makes, she's spending on herself. This is how it usually is.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/23 04:15 PM
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Catch 22. Despite how many feminists love to prop up the idea of the "house husband," most don't want to date men who make less than them, and rarely have a seen a high earning woman push for her husband to stay at home while she worked a hard 9-5. But it's no sweat off a guy's back to sit at home watching Teletubbies and changing a few diapers. Especially if they're used to working a hard mentally or physically intensive job.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/23 04:06 PM
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If you watch the Red Pill documentary, the one about the feminist whose trying to understand the stance of the MRA's, they explain why they coined the term Red Pill. This is before the term started being used as an umbrella term to include Pickup Artists, Gurus, etc. You're basing your understanding of RP on guys like F&F which is why you're getting defensive about the term.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/23 01:31 PM
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I don't think the individuals who talk about never settling have actually come to terms with the idea of truly being alone for the remainder of their lives. However, I also agree that a person shouldn't settle if they can't appreciate the partners they can get. Good things in life don't usually just fall into our laps, most things worth having have to be earned. We can demand perfection from others, but if we ourselves aren't perfect, what kind of result is life more likely to give us? I believe…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/23 06:23 PM
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There is such a thing as too high when the person themselves is also sub-par but is too delusional to realize it. Like when Lizzo thought she could get with Chris Evans. It's entirely possible for one's standards to be beyond what they themselves qualify for. Professional matchmakers bring this up as an issue all the time. People coming to them with a long laundry list of standards for a partner, yet they barely match up to half the things on that list.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/23 05:29 PM
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A has a nice face and smile, but a bit chubby. B is plain by all metrics. C is below average, and despite what some others say, her face is also below average. I don't believe losing weight is going to fix that.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/23 10:26 AM
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No, as in too high, or too low?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/23 10:18 AM
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So women in the States don't have salary requirements of their men or take into account a man's resources at all?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/23 12:20 AM
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Their point is that a woman wouldn't feel humbled. Then it shouldn't matter at all that guys talk about this then, was my point. If it does apply then let it fly. If it does apply but they don't care, then they should let it fly also. Why constantly complain about men's preferences if you don't care about those men or their preferences? directly commit the sin they just described Not sure what "sin" you are referring to? You just said that my words wouldn't humble them anyways, so why does it ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/23 07:38 PM
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Why tf is there monthly discussions about n count???? Gonna have to ask the creators of this Reddit group that, but I assume it's to keep a dialog going. How often do people ask you this outside of Reddit or Facebook? Nobody really discusses this in person. Most guys who have an issue will just reject a girl in silence or if they're really proactive and ballsy, ask her count and if it's high reject her. Then those same girls go to spaces like this to complain and tell guys why they're horrible f…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/23 07:33 PM
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Because men don’t just say “I don’t want a promiscuous woman” and move on with their lives. Because there's almost always push back on it. Same for guys who say they don't date single mothers. Women rarely don’t require guys to defend their standards, especially when that standard disqualifies them. Go on rants about how women with a promiscuous past are worthless and deserve to die alone. Nobody says this. They say they specifically won't date them, doesn't mean no other guy on the planet will.…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/23 04:48 PM
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He was talking about specific situations where men are criticized for not accepting a woman's promiscuous past. There have been many discussions on these threads with women who have done just that. If you've spent more than a day in this group, you should know for a fact that men get shamed for this and many other standards they hold constantly. What exactly did he bring up that was blatantly false?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/23 04:18 PM
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Only if men sticking to their standards and convictions is somehow an affront against women because it doesn't benefit them. And I co-sign it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/23 04:03 PM
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I'm pretty sure those traits aren't 100% exclusive to middle-aged single moms.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/23 11:48 AM
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Logically, why would any guy prefer an older woman with kids if he can date a young woman without? The only guys who would really prefer that or older men who are determined to date within their age group despite dealing with that baggage.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/23 06:23 AM
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Why are we completely overlooking the fact that these women are willing participants in the arrangement?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 10:22 PM
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held responsible for having sex This was back when it was REQUIRED to get the father's approval before dating a woman. Since feminism pushed sexual liberation for women, many women don't want their dads involved in the early vetting process. So they're free to choose their own men on their own and have ONS. This is what women wanted. If you want to go back to the past, then refuse to date or sleep with guys who don't meet your father and get his blessing first. Men have always been held responsi…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/23 11:05 PM
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So she had a kid because of her age. She still would’ve preferred to be married. That doesn't change the fact that she still chose to have a kid outside of wedlock. Contraceptives fail? Just using 2 contraceptives together, for example birth control and condoms, brings the chance of pregnancy down to a fraction of 0.1%. And most of these baby mama situations are not the result of failed contraceptives, but often the result of not using contraceptives altogether. Some women don’t get an abortion …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/23 07:30 PM
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1* I had a friend who hooked up with a girl he met through a dating app but barely knew. She got pregnant and had a kid, and point blank told him afterwards that she purposefully didn't take any preventative measures because she was in her mid 30's and desperately wanted a kid. 2* Which leads me to my second point, no woman in the West gets pregnant by "accident." Not with dozens of contraceptives on the market. They have to choose not be on birth control, choose not to use condoms and let a guy…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/23 06:58 PM
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There also will never be a point in time where women out of charity will distribute sex equally among men. Who expects they will? People don't change unless they aren't getting the outcomes they want. This is what often pushes men towards RP rhetoric which encourages them to change to become more like the guys with the soft harems. It's cause and effect. And what incentive do women have to choose for men of less "value", when all men have the same mentality of taking advantage of every opportuni…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/23 05:07 PM
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How is this different than men who pay for escorts or sugar babies?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/23 04:05 PM
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A lot of men on this sub apparently expect sex after just a few dates. Because in a lot of these cases, the women are non-virgins who gave up the cheeks early to men prior or were part of these "soft harem" situationships OP mentioned. As a guy, you're either someone she breaks rules for, or makes rules for. Every guy wants to be the former just like every girl wants to feel like they're special to a guy they like. If every man would commit to just one woman, and wouldn't have sex with other wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/23 01:54 PM
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Sex is meaningless to men and they can just pump and dump. Not what I said. I said it's detached from how they fall in love. If banging was all it took to make a guy fall in love, women wouldn't be complaining about getting pumped and dumped. How does that equate to me saying sex is meaningless? So don't do it unless you have a ring or a legal agreement. This only works for virgins. No dude is waiting till marriage for a woman who let other guys hit prior, especially in the middle of a hookup cu…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 07:02 PM
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That's actually a far worse comparison. She's talking about waiting for sex (the topic at hand), and you're talking about chain restaurants. Because men and women don't view sex and relationships the same, so an exact 1:1 comparison won't work here. What does work is comparing something men value to something women equally value. Men value access to sex, women value the time and resources a man is willing to invest in courting them. So I made a value comparison.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 05:37 PM
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So, we're going to act like there aren't women who would be offended by a guy they knew went all out for previous women, doing the bare minimum for them? I think they also have the right to feel that way and it might very well be possible that he doesn't like them that much.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 05:13 PM
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I'm not arguing against this. In fact, it's what I was alluding to. Whatever the reason, Billy lacks whatever made Brad so enticing. So, it's easier for her to make Billy wait months without intimacy because there's no sense of urgency with him, she can easily hold herself back with Billy. But another Brad comes along who has whatever it is Billy lack and he's not being put through the same 3 month waiting period. As often is the case, different rules apply to different men.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 04:43 PM
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Better comparison would be if a guy took previous girls out to expensive dinner dates at Ruth Chris, but only takes you to Arby's for 3 months because he has to test you or whatever. You're gonna feel like he likes you more?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 04:33 PM
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That's my point. The 3 month or however long waiting period isn't a set in stone criteria. It's flexible and will change based on the "vibes" or other factors about the guy. Sure, you say you'll make the guy wait but there was a woman who made a post a day or 2 ago about making men wait and said she'd sleep with the kind of guy I just described quickly since he was high value in her eyes. So, for a lot of guys, the long waiting period only exists because they're not perceived as that high value …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 03:05 PM
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That’s only true for guys they only sort of like. This is the crux of it. Even for a woman that wants to change things up, the standards are going to change based on the claiber of man she's dealing with and her desire to lock him down. If she goes on a date with a guy whose a 9 in her eyes sexual attraction-wise, dressed in a thousand dollar suit, extremely charming and charismatic, 6'3, and clearly has options. You think she's making him wait 3+ months?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 02:42 PM
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Let's say he did, the difference here though is that this girl is getting objectively better treatment. That's the difference between men and women. When we like a girl, we'll blow their their back out AND take them out to dinner. However, when women claim they like a guy more they make him spend exponentially more time and money courting them, jumping through hoops, to get less or the same as what the guy they supposedly didn't like got day 1?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 02:02 PM
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How can anybody but her actually know how into it she was? She might just not be as into Billy as she was Brad. All he knows for sure, assuming in this scenario he knows the situation with Brad, is that Brad got VIP day one while he's on the 3 month waitlist having to prove himself at every turn. Men don't like jumping through hoops other men didn't have to jump through. It's different when everyone has to jump through those hoops. When rules only apply to some but not others it breeds negative …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 01:54 PM
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No, but Billy is still taking an L here regardless.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 01:40 PM
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nothing will mess that up like getting into the whole early relationship sex addict™ routine. It makes you feel in love. You ignore all information about the person's flaws. You get into LTRs because of sunk-cost. Not necessarily true for men since they can detatch there feelings from sex. It's why so many can pump and dump. Guys don't usually fall in love through banging, but if they're fwb with a chick long enough then they might give a relationship a shot. There's not much of a sunk cost for …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 01:36 PM
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First of all, their parents moved them here when they were children. It wasn't their decision to move here. Second, what do you expect them to acclimatize to exactly? Even the men born and raised here have an issue with the dating climate. How are their opinions any different from the opinions of many other American men? Lastly, they never expected things to mold to their preferences, which is why they decided to either remain bachelor's who stick to flings and short-termrelationships, or get tr…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 12:39 AM
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Keep hearing about these old male virgins holding out for female models apparently, but only hear this from women. What's an example of the standards these 49 year old virgins have?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 11:28 PM
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What does any of this have to do with women willingly dating and getting knocked up by violent criminals? Unless you're going to make the argument that this is somehow unavoidable? In which case, this would be one of the most ludicrous arguments I've ever heard, even for this sub. Sounds to me like this is a man problem to resolve. It isn't and we're not going to. They chose the guy, so they have to deal with the consequences on their own. Life will hold them responsible for their own dumb decis…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 11:20 PM
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I would agree if it weren't for dudes in here every day yelling about high body count women. I assumed this was a response to what the previous lady said about how setting an arbitrary time limit is stupid. If the body count is already high, how would setting an arbitrary time limit for sex change anything? Only thing it changes is maybe giving the guy the perception it's low, when it isn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 05:31 PM
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Only certain kind of guys will do that though. Most people have a conscience. That's why we label the group of men who lie consistently to get sex fukbois. Most guys aren't fukbois. If you're consistently getting fukbois over and over then there's likely an issue with your taste in men. In the same way, if a guy consistently found himself dating women who used him for free dinner or golddiggers, then he probably has bad taste in women. You should think carefully about whatever traits attract you…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 05:09 PM
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Caring about your body count after racking up a huge body count, is like caring about your image after being convicted of double homicide. The time to worry about something like that is before, not after the fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 05:01 PM
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‘I wasn’t looking for a relationship’ ‘ I wasn’t looking for anything serious’ and ‘I told you this’ when they said the exact opposite. So, none of these guys were honest about their intentions? Just seems highly unlikely that they all just blatantly lied. Sure, there are guys who do that but if you have a track record of it happening to you over and over, either you have really bad luck or there's a missing element to this story. Edit: ‘I told you this’ is a rather specific statement. Why would…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 04:51 PM
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That's what's messed up? On the one hand, I understand the importance of change. On the other hand, I sure as shit don't want to be the lame guy she chose to put in an arbitrary waiting game, while a bunch of dudes before me hit with even less time and effort. I'm not the White Knight that women can settle down with after a hoe phase when they decide to find Jesus. Go to Beta Bill whose been waiting in the friend zone for 7 years, I'm sure that guy can wait a few more months. The equivalent woul…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 03:37 PM
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You're not trying to be duplicitous, you're just trying to manage your impression. Which is pretty normal It is duplicitous to intentionally give someone a false impression of who you are. Confidence is slightly different because we can all gain confidence or be confident in particular situations, it doesn't have to be a lie. You can't regain chastity tho. So, like the other lady who commented pointed out, once he finds out you were putting on an act, it's almost guaranteed to blow up in your fa…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 02:36 PM
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Isn’t that what red pill tell you? Women are the oldest children in the house? The guy says that women shouldn't be having babies by violent abusive convicts and your initial response is that the reckless violent convicts should have been more responsible? That statement made sense to you? Your need to redirect blame was so strong that you sidestepped common sense as well. Exactly when are men going to take responsibility for their own behavior? Again, we're talking about literal violent convict…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 01:26 PM
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Therefore, it is in a woman's best interest to APPEAR as though she is virtuous, modest, demur, and chaste - If she wants you to stick around. Why is the solution to pretend to be virtuous, modest, demur, and chaste and not actually being those things for real, so you don't have to pretend? If the man's SMV is too much higher than ours, we know he has options and the window of opportunity with him will be too short for this strategy So then you admit that you see those guys of higher value which…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 06:34 AM
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The women being fat was an indicator of being well fed and thus a symbol that her family was wealthy. However, that's not the same as raw sexual attraction. That's like saying a 22 year old golddiggers is actually attracted to an 80 year old obese rich guy when we all know she's just there for the money. That's not true attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 06:21 AM
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Because apparently women are no different than children and can't be held fully responsible for their own life choices.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 06:16 AM
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Again, with the excuses. Expecting traditional roles from the opposite sex and not reciprocating traditional roles is hypocritical. How is this even debatable? You can try to strawman all you want but unless you can make a solid argument for how it's not hypocritical to expect ANY traditional treatment from a man yet behave as a modern woman who does not also conform to your own traditional roles, you're just side stepping the issue. If you expect traditional, then be traditional yourself. If yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 02:19 AM
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Everything men or women expect the opposite gender to do, they can do themselves. By your logic any expectation you have of the opposite gender is dumb if you can do it yourself. So women should not have any gender role expectations of men either coming into the relationship because, like you said, why not do it yourself? This is why this logic is nonsensical. Not only does it not disprove the point OP was making, but it further proves the idea that you can't support expectations of gender roles…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 02:02 AM
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Regardless of what the roles are, it's hypocritical to expect men to fulfill traditional roles but not be willing to reciprocate your gender roles as well. All these excuses don't change that fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 01:24 AM
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If you’re hungry why not feed yourself? This is so stupid. You really think men didn't know how to make their own meals before the woman came along?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 01:19 AM
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I disagree with the premise that they lie because they feel they did no wrong. It's the reverse. People lie when they feel ashamed about things they've done and know they've done something wrong. Someone who truly feels they did no wrong isn't going to feel the need to lie. Of course they eventually try to justify the actions they know were wrong because that's what liars do when caught in a lie.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/23 04:32 PM
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But now we're jumping to completely different topics away from preferences. What was originally stated was that, using your example, it's okay to reject the shy guy but your explanation for why you reject the shy guy matters. I'm saying it doesn't really matter, at least in terms of attraction, because attraction isn't really negotiable. So, no matter how PC they make the response, the truth of why they rejected you and the fact that they rejected you remains. Saying that someone should say some…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/23 04:14 PM
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I mean, the result is going to be the same regardless of what the response is, though. If someone says they're not attracted to you because of XYZ, and you say it's wrong to not be attracted to you because of XYZ, they're still not going to be attracted to you because of XYZ. They can stay silent about it or lie and say it's because of ABC, but in reality nothings changed. Unless you consider being blissfully ignorant about why someone isn't attracted to you a win, what exactly has been accompli…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/23 03:41 PM
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How are you guessing the height here? How tall do you think this guy is? And you're going to have to use your imagination and assume that if this actually was a guy, how they look in terms of posture etc. would obviously be different. Since this is an altered female photo, her feminine expressions will transfer over. We can't do an exact 1:1 comparison here.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/23 02:40 PM
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I'd still say this guys looks are within the average range. It's not like the vast majority of men look super macho. What would be an example of the looks of an average guy to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/23 02:06 PM
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Literally, exactly this. Where's that honestly when they let a guy take them out, pay for dinner, etc. but never had interest in him to begin with?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/23 01:41 PM
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You understand that you keep saying this as if the guy is getting off badly. You're the one making the pitch but have yet to explain what the added benefits are for the guy waiting 3 months longer than other guys. You brought up self-improvement but that primarily benefits one's self. I fail to see how this would benefit the guy in this scenario you've presented. you are getting MANY other things out during this vetting period Such as?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 09:47 PM
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In your mind everything men do is innate and immutable and it’s up to women to navigate that I literally never said that. It is true, however, that every individual should be vetting their partners appropriately. This is true for both men and women but we vet for different things. Vetting is necessary to mitigate risk and get the results you want. change their behaviors, compromise with themselves, sacrifice what they want and follow a script of tradition that men are not required to also abide …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 09:41 PM
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Because he knows the woman is bettering herself, and that is attractive in and of itself So, lots of people better themselves. You don't get to decide how guys value that. Would be the equivalent of me saying "sure, this guy had a gambling problem that made him destitute for many years, but he's bettering himself now and you need to find that sexy." also he knows this new standard might feel bad to him if he looks at it solely as it relates to himself Why wouldn't he put his own self interest in…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 08:10 PM
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It's literally the same face only slightly altered to be masculine. How then are the female versions looks far superior unless you're just horny right now?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 07:28 PM
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Even a woman this plain gets 10x more action than their male equivalent.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 07:26 PM
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Like the other guy pointed out, this strategy doesn't work for reformed thots. Once a guy knows she didn't make other men wait then he's very unlikely to want to wait 3 months. She'll have to have been at least somewhat consistent with this for most men. Growing as a woman and person is mostly for herself. How does that sweeten the deal for the new guy putting in more time and effort than the guys before him to receive essentially the same outcome? You're thinking solely from the perspective of …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 06:57 PM
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If OP felt a connection with someone, and he didn’t feel the same way, but was unscrupulous enough to sleep with her anyway or even pursue her until she did sleep with him, how is she supposed to tell the difference between a guy who is genuinely interested in her and a desperate shmuck? Same way fathers and brothers filtered out F boys in the past and still do in many cultures. By making men jump through hoops before sex, the biggest obstacle being time. The goal of a F boy is to get the booty …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 06:28 PM
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Obviously, the guys running game for sex aren't going to ruin their own chances by saying that. And even a lot of guys who aren't running game won't turn down sex from an attractive woman when offered, even if they're not sure if they even want to pursue a relationship. It's up to the woman to vet for this and set the standards. Even as a young boy, I remember hearing the phrase "men will do anything to get in your pants." As such, I find it very hard to believe that so many women are completely…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 03:42 PM
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If he hooked you with me that easily that means he has done it with many other women and I'm not that special if that's the case. Probably. Depends on your relationship prior to the sex. Plenty of guys will hook up with girls they find even somewhat attractive. That doesn't say anything about how they really feel about you, though. Too many women confuse lust with love.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 03:15 PM
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He didn't say what men think is high value. He said a guy that a woman herself sees as high value. The higher value he is in her eyes, the more risk she is willing to accept to secure a relationship with that guy vs a guy she sees as just average.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 03:10 PM
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Then they back trace when we as women hold back on sleeping with them early on because we were already placed in a box we didn't know was there. This is only usually an issue if the guy knows you slept with other dudes early. Otherwise, most guys don't mind waiting. Many even prefer a girl who consistently vets men properly before escalating the relationship further. The only guys who will have a serious issue with women who consistently vet men properly or F boys whose entire goal from the star…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 03:05 PM
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The Japanese wife thing was just a random example since I heard some older military guys say that that's what they did before Passport Bros was a thing. But the overarching point is that you go to where you are the most appreciated and where you'll find the most success. I don't see any logical reason why men should limit themselves when finding a life partner to just staying local. There are plenty of reasons to travel the world; why can't finding a wife be one of them?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 02:54 PM
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So he should keep failing in the West so he can look non-desperate for the women who already don't find him attractive and accomplish what exactly? The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, yet expecting a different result. If there were 2 men, both have zero luck with women, one goes to Japan and finds a beautiful wife, the other stays in America and continues to fail in the dating market so he can get brownie points from women who won't date him anyway, I pity the…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 02:00 PM
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because the whole point of passport bro-ing is to take advantage of things like poverty No, the point for most is to find traditionally feminine wives to create a family by going to countries where the culture is more traditional and what the guy currently has is valued. None of which would be accomplished coming to the West. What would I guy get coming to the USA or UK? A modern feminist boss Bae whose going to brag about her degrees and careers yet still expect him to pay for everything? Women…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 01:48 PM
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How is that any different from men avoiding promiscuous women? Considering they are statically much more likely to cheat or divorce, wouldn't that count as risk aversion also?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 02:26 AM
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Most of what you mentioned is included in the "takes care of themselves" aspect I mentioned. But gray hair in mid 30's? I only know one guy with gray hair in his 30's and that guy works an extremely stressful job. Most guys won't have noticeable patches of gray hair at 30. Many men also aren’t great with fashion. I guy is a lot more likely to level up his fashion game from when he was broke in his 30's. Especially if he's been moving in the corporate world that whole time. I have friends who wor…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 02:22 AM
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Regardless, he's not going to get handsomer, so that's one of the only things he can do to improve his SMV. It's either that or give up and go blackpill.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 12:50 AM
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You kind of contradicted yourself in your own statements. MONEY IS BY FAR THE MOST OVERRATED. The M in LMS should be changed to Looks, Millionaire?, Status. Even if you're a millionaire, if you're a minimalist living in a small apartment and take the bus to work, she DOES NOT CARE You keep bringing up millionaire over and over as the benchmark, so it seems clear that what you take issue with isn't the idea that money improves attraction but that men have to reach for this to be applicable is in …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 12:41 AM
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Plenty of women in these very threads have said numerous times that they deserve a guy on their level (financially). Something tells me that the good looking cashier at Walmart isn't going to quite cut it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 12:21 AM
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As I said, they won't stick with the handsome dusty indefinitely. If they're in a group looking for dating strategies doesn't that mean they're back on the market? So, they left the Dusty then.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 12:10 AM
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Women rarely stick with the bum long-term. They bang him and maybe have a kid by him, but most women won't stick with a broke dude who stays broke and dusty indefinitely no matter how good looking. That's where the Beta Bucks part of the sexual strategy comes into play. "Sure, I wasn't interested in you before Beta Bill and sure I have 2 kids now by the Chad working at Walmart, but I was young and naive then. Aren't I allowed to grow and experience life blah blah blah."
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 12:04 AM
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Large age gaps between younger women and older men do exist but it’s a tiny portion. Someone in their 30's dating someone in their 20's isn't what I would consider a very large age gap. Especially guys in their early to mid 30's who stay healthy and consistent with the gym, most people won't be able to tell those guys age at a glance. A guy whose in shape at 25 isn't going to look significantly worse if he's still in shape at 35. Men do get better at dating due to experience and socialization To…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/23 11:59 PM
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I've literally never heard fat men complain about that and I've known numerous throughout my life. Regardless, most men, even fat men, aren't delusional enough to think being fat is attractive. The vast majority of men aren't pushing fat acceptance. That's a female thing. The small minority of men who are fat yet feel entitled to in-shape women are clearly delusional and most men won't say otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/23 10:59 PM
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Is there anyone saying women should be dating obese men or that wanting a man whose in a healthy weight is wanting an above average man?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/23 10:50 PM
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By definition, average should be traits shared by the majority of people. That's what makes something average. If asking for a woman whose not obese and not a hoe is unreasonable, then America has truly gone to shit. No wonder guys are leaving the country for wives, smdh. And if this guy is in his 20's, then no kids shouldn't be a big ask either.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/23 10:44 PM
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Or they have more experience, confidence, and resources, all of which makes getting women easier then when they were broke college students still figuring things out. Is it really that surprising that a lot of men get better at dating as they gain wisdom and accomplishments with age?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/23 10:36 PM
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And he'll run through a bunch of those women, but if he's settling for just one, you best believe it's going to be the best of his options.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/23 10:20 PM
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So 70% of women or overweight or obese?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/23 10:17 PM
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But is it settling if that's the best you qualify for? An example using your analogy would be someone with a GED upset that they didn't get a job at Google, and feeling like they would be settling working anywhere else. There's a difference between feeling like you settled vs actually settling. There are plenty of women who feel like they are settling for less than the dream guy they imagine or slept with once, yet they've never been able to lock down commitment from a guy of that caliber in the…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/23 08:09 PM
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Only some men will even get andropause, but for most men, their testosterone will decrease gradually and unless they had preexisting conditions that affected their fertility, they can still reproduce well past middle age and technically until the day they die. Men and women are not biologically the same, especially when it comes to reproduction. Men are built for quantity, women for quality (since each birth requires 9 months, making her vulnerable in the late terms and taking a toll on her body…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/23 04:49 PM
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I literally never said it started at 30. I said geriatric pregnancy starts at 35, which is when most women's fertility plateaus prior to full-on menopause. Past 40 is essentially the danger zone.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/23 04:41 PM
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Men don't hit menopause or completely lose the ability to reproduce past a certain age. Spem quality may reduce but it's a slow decrease over time, nothing like the steap decline women hit around geriatric pregnancy age at around 35. Point being, the biological timelines are different. For men the bigger issue to having a kid older is not wanting to be an old dad, for women it's losing the ability to reproduce or not have a bunch of complications with carrying a child to term.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/23 12:22 PM
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Women who have an issue with men inquiring about their past remind me of people with bad credit who do whatever they can to avoid credit checks when applying for a loan.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/23 04:56 PM
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First of all, everybody judges. I could say the exact same thing about women who judge men based on their height, how they dress, what they drive, how much they make, etc etc. Second, most of these so-called horror stories are real-life experiences shared by older men. A smart person learns from the mistakes of others. Only a complete fool makes important decisions in life without first considering the risks. Most of us consider the pros in cons when making financial decisions, deciding where to…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/23 04:53 PM
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Naw, I'd rather be the guy who actually gets what he wants in life rather than the dude who is settled for after a dozen or so Chad's have had the booty every way to Sunday. Since when is finishing last for the sake of a moral pat on the back from women who considered you a last option ever been an accomplishment to strive for? There's no honor in participation trophies. You're either first place or your last. I do think a man should be "good" if that's what genuinely makes him happy, but not ju…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/23 04:12 PM
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Nobody is forcing you to be with a man, especially not RP men. Like the previous guy said, they bring the same shit every other guy brings. The only difference being the quantity or quality, which is how it always is regardless of whether a guy is RP or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/23 03:23 PM
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Lol, so now it's appealing to be a "nice guy?"
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/23 02:24 PM
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The only group in RP strongly against marriage are MGTOW. Even then, the stance isn't against the concept of marriage but the literal marriage contract, which in Countries like Amerca heavily favor women in divorce since the laws haven't been updated since the 1960's. A lot of the same men who speak against this say they would get married overseas in places where the laws are more balanced and there are well known RP men who are currently married despite the risks.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 03:44 AM
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You're going to need to explain that acronym to me because I have no idea what that stands for
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 02:20 AM
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Actual experimentation will get you farther than just hypothesizing theories and debating them.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 01:48 AM
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Lots of different people in RP with different opinions on things, some are even conflicting. Like OP said, RP is really just a state of awareness about how things are. People who accept these things to be true make their own rules to achieve the results they want. However, there are no specific universal details of rules everyone must follow to be considered RP. You can accept Red Pilled to be reality, choose to not change anything, and still be Red Pilled. Just like in the Matrix that the term …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 01:46 AM
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By that definition, every single person is single by choice then, since apparently if they look for the remainder of their lives, they can get a date no matter how undesirable they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 10:57 PM
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but I’m not average either so there is that. Pretty sure 90% of women feel this way, but surely you are the exception...
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 10:45 PM
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Like what?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 10:25 PM
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Naw, I say the best way to validate actionable beliefs is to test them in the real world. Especially with discussions on attraction, that easy to test.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 10:21 PM
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Using your same logic we can look at the numerous women in marriages with deadbeats who don't help with their kids, how's that working out for them? Usually, much better than the baby mamas with kids by deadbeats who also don't have any legal safety nets like alimony, getting the home by default in some states, and shared resources that often include investments, all if which only a wife gets, not a baby mama. And if anything unexpectedly happens to the man, the wife gets life insurance, receive…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 03:08 PM
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Well considering it both makes less sense and goes against my own life experiences, you need a much better argument to support your claim that a commitmentless relationship is somehow more secure than one with a legally binding commitment. And even ignoring all that and just observing reality we can see that there are numerous baby mamas that did what you're suggesting and it didn't work out for them now, did it?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 02:43 PM
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Countless baby mamas beg to differ, but sure, show me the data that shows that the guys casually smashing and making baby mamas are more likely to stick around than the men who courted and dated a women for years then legally binding these to said woman and took oaths under God, and maybe I'll be inclined to reconsider my position. Until then, I'll stick to my current opinion. Also, something being possible doesn't mean it's probable, even if your subjective experience says otherwise. I've seem …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 02:08 PM
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why do they suddenly care now They don't. The just like pretending they do for brownie points. Same as feminists who always feel the need to claim that feminism is about "equality" and not just women's rights, when we know they've never done sh*t for men's rights.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 01:04 PM
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It starts to sound dumb. Not just "starts to sound dumb," it just IS dumb. I can't even feel bad for people who think this way. At a certain point, ignorance is a choice, and those individuals deserve the results they get in life.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 03:32 AM
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I never claimed that it was women's responsibility to fix it. You're the one claiming that this is something women care enough about to lift a finger to change, when we both know that's bull. I also don't have an issue with the apex mating strategy of gravitating towards the top males. That's natural selection, can't be mad at nature. I'm only calling out the feigned sincerity and concern. Let's just call a spade a spade. At most, their only concern is that there aren't enough Alphas to go aroun…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 03:29 AM
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There's no way for women to fix this alone. That's funny. Insinuating that women have ever made an actual effort to fix this, unless you consider complaining about how men are lazy incels now, "fixing" the issue. Most women I converse with out in the dating world have reached the conclusion that there quite literally are not enough suitable, single men available as partners. That's never stopped them from sharing and banging the top 20% of men. At the end of the day most women will do what they'…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 02:42 AM
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Prenup?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 02:31 AM
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Why is data necessary to confirm that men who commit are more likely to stick around then men who don't? Shouldn't that be common sense?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 02:30 AM
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Your standards are probably too high. Just going to be real with you. Finding a desirable man whose a virgin at that age just isn't reasonable. Even the most religious of men aren't going to still be single and unmarried up to 40. Good looking men saving themselves for marriage usually get hitched in their 20's. Aside from those guys, a non-religious attractive/successful dude isn't going to stay a virgin long because...why would he, unless he had a reason to? Other than those guys, there are a …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/23 10:33 PM
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Why would a man from a traditional culture overseas want a modern City girl boss Bae? Especially when they are surrounded by beautiful women of their own culture who are traditionally feminine, know how to cook, don't have super high body counts, and will be submissive to them? To a lot of guys, that would be a downgrade.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/23 05:11 PM
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I posted this elsewhere but I guess I'll post it here too. "Drinking wine, probably. Joining a book club? Reading books suggested by Oprah or erotica novellas? Watching a movie on Lifetime or Oxygen? Watching Titanic or the Notebook for the billionth time?"
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/23 02:50 PM
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Drinking wine, probably. Joining a book club? Reading books suggested by Oprah or erotica novellas? Watching a movie on Lifetime or Oxygen? Watching Titanic or the Notebook for the billionth time?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/23 02:43 PM
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If she's truly content and childfree (meaning she didn't want kids, not to be confused with childless women who wanted kids but couldn't have them for whatever reason), then I don't see what the issue is.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/23 02:41 PM
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Smdh, stop lumping everyone together. I actually consider myself more left but both the stats and my own eyes show that dating and marriage rates are a total shitshow right now. And it's projected to keep getting worse. So, of course, the logical conclusion for some is to think back to what worked before. How does that equate to hating people who are different exactly?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/23 12:12 PM
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Sure, if you consider smashing & passing and avoiding marriage contracts "traditional." Some aspects are, sure, but the core aspects of RP involve accepting the reality of dating, marriage, etc. and adapting to get the highest rate of success. Taking a "red pill," (just like in the Matrix) means to accept a truth you may not like.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/23 12:03 PM
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Why are we comparing a traditional nuclear family to slavery and child marriage. For the life of me, I'll never understand the hate for the nuclear family. In a time where marriage rates are astronomically low, divorce is high, and single motherhood is growing, you'd think people would want to look back at a time when relationships were more stable and try and learn something from it. Considering modern relationships are objectively worse in almost every metric.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/23 12:39 AM
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I'm sure they are, but if you think a guy whose in the top 5% in terms of physique+finances can't get countless girls on the same level then you're sorely mistaken. Those guys are extremely rare, beautiful in-shape women are not, unless we're talking international top teir model level beautiful women.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/23 11:40 PM
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Because there are women who say one thing but do the other. Rather than "listen," it's far more effective to "watch" what someone does. Actions always speak louder than words. It eliminates contradictions and allows you to see someone for what they truly are.
/r/ExRedPill17/04/23 11:29 PM
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someone on a cheerleading team and an American football team would be the same status lol Maybe if we're talking high-school and college, but definitely not pro. No cheerleader is anywhere near the level of a pro athlete. Especially an American Football player. Those guys are at the physical peak and making millions. They can land waaaaay higher caliber women than just cheerleaders.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/23 11:23 PM
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If that was the only attention I was capable of getting, then I would just accept that this is my level and pick the best of those women, I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/23 07:32 PM
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Also, not all RP guys are tradcons.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/23 07:19 PM
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You can be pro traditional and still respect other people's decisions to not be that. Being one thing doesn't automatically mean you hate the other. That would be like saying if you're apart of the LGBTQ you can't be right wing or conservative. Gay conservatives exist. Someone who holds traditional values doesn't necessarily have to impose them on others. That could just be their personal preference on how they want to live their life. Edit: There are a lot of RP guys who aren't vocal about it a…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/23 07:16 PM
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There's nothing in RP that demands being right wing or anti LGTQ. If that's the path he chose to go down, then that's on him.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/23 07:07 PM
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I guess it depends on what you consider a 5. I don't consider a 5 neutral in looks but average. And I think average is determined by what most women in an area look like. For example, if I went to Brazil, a woman that might be considered a 7 in America might just be 5 there. 5 is supposed to represent an average woman, doesn't necessarily mean she's not attractive but her looks are common, that's what makes her average.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/23 05:30 PM
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If 6 is "somewhat attractive" then 4 should be "somewhat unattractive" not straight ugly as it clearly is. Some of those girls have dead eyes. 5 should be average, but half the girls on 5 are unattractive. It only starts to get accurate at the higher numbers. Though, I think some of the higher numbers would be considered average. Your "average" woman is determined by what most women look like. Most women are at least somewhat attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/23 05:00 PM
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Naw, it's because 5/6 can date a 7/8 easy. Women tend to date up which means men date down. Why? Because men have flexible standards, especially in terms of hookups or short-term relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/23 04:29 PM
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Both stances are justified, it just depends on if you're willing to accept the risk or not. Women have proven that they are more willing to accept a man's promiscuous past and hope for the best, men usually are not.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/23 03:53 PM
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If a bunch of dudes hit, then those grapes certainly aren't unattainable. A lot of guys already obtained those grapes and spat them out.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/23 03:48 PM
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Because a woman doesn't even need to be in a relationship to be Alpha Widowing. She could have a ONS with Chad, might not even know his name, but if he blows her back out just right then she'll never forget about them. Alpha Widowing is basically when a guy creates an experience so stimulating for a woman that she basically craves this guy from then on to get the same rush. That's what separates Alpha Widowing from things like "the One that got away" or Soulmates. Those concepts focus on an emot…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/23 03:38 PM
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Those are just the ones I felt like mentioning I know other women who have dated up around 10 years as well and have single friends my age who date down. How exactly am I supposed to know how many of my classmates were approached by older men or what those men even look like? But I'd find it hard to believe that if a woman whose say 23 gets approached by a 33 year old dude whose in shape, well dressed, and charming that she's going to A) be able to instantly tell that he's in his 30's and B) ins…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/23 01:05 PM
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Judging from these comments, it seems pretty obvious why you don't want to be Beta Bucks or marry the reformed "party girl."
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/23 12:56 PM
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Women are attracted to attractive successful men, regardless of age. If a guy is tall, handsome, fit, and well dressed, I think it hardly matters how old he is. He's going to be able to pull a wide range of women. I've seen this happen from both sides, from men I know and women I know. On numerous occasions, I've seen women date men ten years their senior. A classmate I went to college with was engaged to and married a guy in his mid 30s. Edit: Actually, 2 female classmates now that I think abou…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/23 12:17 PM
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Most of my friends want virgins, most gave up because they couldn't find one. They're not hard to find. Have you checked the nearest DND convention or Christian/Catholic dating apps?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/23 12:06 PM
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Oh, I'm sure that much better, lol
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/23 01:24 AM
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Think of it this way, the vast majority of women vet men on numerous factors; physique (looks, build, height), intelligence/wit, charm, wealth (includes earning potential), status (could be within a career based or social media presence, security, and charm. Those are the main ones. If a man lacks on some of those he'll usually need to compensate elsewhere. Example, Chad is 6'2 and ripped. However, he's a cashier at Walmart. He has no problem getting women because despite is low earning capabili…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/23 08:27 PM
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Either way, true incels need better advice than "just find true love."
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/23 06:51 PM
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I never said one option was better than the other. Just pointing out that for some people, those are the only two options and some would prefer some companionship over none.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/23 06:33 PM
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As the old saying goes, "beggars can't be choosers." You're allowed to be picky when you have options. Ideally every guy would like the fairy tale scenario where a girl just dates him for his personality only and nothing else, but that's not the world we live in. If a dude is short and ugly, he's got a compensate somehow. It's either that or loneliness in most cases.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/23 04:55 PM
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No, but there's a difference between just slandering a company vs. critiquing it so you can be solution oriented. Understanding why you weren't qualified and discussing ways to improve so you can get the job down the line. That doesn't sound like entitlement to me. Entitlement is more so saying, "I didn't get this, but I deserve it, and I'm unwilling to compromise or improve to get what I think I deserve."
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/23 01:10 PM
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Doesn't matter how smart the fish is. If it itself doesn't fish, then its advice is hypothetical at best. In layman's terms, how can a woman give solid advice on picking up women unless she's done it herself? Not saying her advice is completely useless, but I wouldn’t take her advice over that of a man with proven success picking up numerous women and other men finding success following his methods. If I wanted to learn how to fish, I'm listening to a fisherman.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/23 12:05 PM
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Like the fish trying to tell the fisherman how to fish. I'd sooner take advice from the guy with a proven success rate that a woman online bitter about how he achieved that success. Bottom line is that it worked regardless of how you feel about it. When a bunch of guys find similar success following your advice, then maybe you'll have a leg to stand on when telling men what they should be doing to get women.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/23 11:48 AM
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If your Alpha in terms of looks, status, etc. So long as you maintained those things, shaving your head isn't going to reduce your prospects that much. Plenty of HVM with shaved heads getting 10x more women that your average Joe with a full head of hair. Even having 2 kids may not be a big deal if those kids stay with their mothers most of the time. A bigger issue would be if this Alpha put on weight.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/23 03:55 AM
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Should change to MWALT. Most Women Are Like That. I agree with that sentiment more.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/23 02:28 AM
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Wanting something isn't the same as feeling entitled to something. For example, I could want a job yet understand that I may not get the job cause I may not be the best qualified. In this example, I don't have a feeling of entitlement towards something I desire.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/23 02:27 AM
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That's a long time to wait. He could continue partying straight through his 30's and settle down with a younger woman at that point. The girls his age he smashed & passed don't have the luxury of time like that. Also, even if he does settle down, he's only choosing one. Meaning all the other girls on his roster have to settle for not having him whether they want to or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/23 02:21 AM
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Rarely do older women seriously date men younger than 30 because realistically those guys can't offer an older woman much aside from good D and good genes. She's likely much further in her career and will likely be the breadwinner in that situation. She'll have to be okay with supporting an early 20's guy and a kid. On the flip side, most young guys aren't going to seriously consider starting a family with a woman hitting 40. Cougars or milfs are more of a kink for young guys. Every guy at one p…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/23 06:43 PM
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There was nothing to act on in the experiment. Just because the men were honest about what they found arousing in the experiment doesn't mean they lack self control in real life. But of course, let's somehow make men the villains in this too. Smdh
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/23 08:49 PM
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I'm not saying that a woman would actually want non-consensual sex. But if she likes rape fantasies, but is asked by people she thinks will judge her on it, she's a lot less likely to give an honest answer. As for the whole "bad boy" "good guy" dichotomy, yeah, I know it's not that black and white. My point wasn't to say she should be be dating the cliche "good guy" if that's not she wants. My point was that what she says she wants should be consistent with what she dates. If it isn't then there…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/23 08:43 PM
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Yeah, I can understand not wanting to be honest about that one, lol
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/23 08:09 PM
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I think a huge reason is the social element. They're afraid of the blow to their image if they're too brutally honest. Most aren't going to just announce willingly that their into assualt role play, gangbangs, or being chocked out. So they'll just answers that are more acceptable, like wanting a guy whose confident, etc etc. I think the second biggest component is the disconnect between what they know they should want vs what they are actually attracted to. You could ask a girl what she wants in…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/23 07:41 PM
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Not just that but they did experiments where they hooked women up to devices to check their arousal levels then asked them to report whether they found the images shown arousing or not. They lied at least half the time. Which leads me to believe that women care much more about giving politically correct answers that make them look good, than having honest discussions about attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/23 07:04 PM
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Sounds like something that affects women more than men based on what your saying right now.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/23 06:38 PM
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I fail to see how any man suffers from vetting out hoes? 🤔
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/23 06:33 PM
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Evil assumes intent. Most of these reactions are instinctual not intentional, led by emotions. Most women like to go by how they feel. They just don't care much to research why they feel the way they do in certain situations, but there are usually reasons for it. Like when a woman says she's fallen out of love with a man. There are probably things he did to reduce her attraction to him, she may not even realize what those things are herself. She just realizes that her passion for a guy diminishe…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/23 06:30 PM
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A person who is actively getting rejected by majority of people have something unattractive about them. If a seemingly attractive woman is not being pursued by other men, that could potentially be a red flag. However, most men will still shoot their shot and figure out what the issue is during the dating process. They're not just going to lose interest without any information to go off of.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/23 06:20 PM
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If a guy finds a woman attractive, he's not going to very much care if other men don't find her attractive. He may even prefer the lack of competition. Had plenty of friends who couldn't agree on taste in women but never stopped anyone from pursuing who they liked.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/23 06:17 PM
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He plays a version of himself that hasn't become successful yet. Like an average Joe just getting into acting.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/23 06:11 PM
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As a black guy, I couldn't care less. I don't see how this is the result of feminism though. If anything, this the result of America becoming a melting pot starting from the 19th century and the irresistible allure of BBC. I'm not going to apologize for the latter 🤷🏾‍♂️✊🏿
/r/AllPillDebate13/04/23 03:15 PM
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It may not be not be only Alphas doing this, but the vast majority of the guys juggling multiple women are indeed Alphas. Not sure what the moral of the story is here, that being settled on is bad for both sides? Also, I'm not sure how this correlates to women being promiscuous? So, because some guys cheated on their wives, all women have to be promiscuous now to accomplish what exactly?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 09:14 PM
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Sure. Let's say that any woman who talks negatively about their ex husband in front of their kids is a bad mother then. I'm not going to fight you on that.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 07:57 PM
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You're right, but could be an upgrade from the previous Beta. Probably has a lot more expendable income to spare.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 07:51 PM
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Well, I never said she was a terrible mother. I assume if she leaves and find his replacement, the step-dad she actually wants to be with. His continued relationship with the kids will be an obstacle to having them view the guy she actually loves as a father. And maybe it's not even intentional. Maybe she talks negatively about her exes inadequacies and this affects how the children view their father. It happens, and that is one of many reasons I wouldn't accept BB. However, if other guys want t…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 07:36 PM
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I don't see the point in having kids with a woman that doesn't like me that much. Those kids are just going to be taken away when she eventually leaves. Then they'll be used to attack the guy both emotionally and financially, and if she really doesn't like him, she'll make seeing them as difficult as possible. And since the mother is almost always assigned primary caretaker by the courts, she'll be in a position to poison their minds towards the father if she so chooses. Who would want any of th…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 07:20 PM
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I agree with you on most of what you're saying. My only pushback, in general, is towards what the original commenter was saying about guys abandoning Cold Approaching because some guys played her. Or the other commenters opinion that social skills developed in gradeschool are enough, it isn't. The only guys who are confident and smooth when approaching, interacting with, and flirting with women are guys who have done it a lot usually. Sure, there are other ways to develop those skills, but that …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 06:06 PM
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Nothing if he knows he's the BB and accepts that arrangement. However, I personally would get an escort or sugar baby at that point. Why legally bind yourself to a woman who marginally likes you at best and would monkey branch to a better option when given the chance?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 05:14 PM
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I'm sure that extremely vague advice has helped many men get good at cold approaching and getting dates with women. Smh
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 05:09 PM
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So, how exactly do you expect men to get confident talking to women and flirting with women, unless they do it repeatedly?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 04:48 PM
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A lot of things in life are a numbers game, trial and error. That's how I approached applying for jobs and now I work at a fortune 500.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 02:48 PM
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It's a double-edged sword, but even the most unattractive guys can land a girlfriend if they ask enough women. But you'd have to build a tolerance to rejection. The cringe of rejection is what prevents most men from continuing with this strategy. However, it's a crucial step to developing natural game. No amount of coaching can substitute real-life experiences and interactions.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 02:47 PM
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Wow, it's almost like they have this hormone called testosterone, a natural instinct to reproduce, and are biologically designed to produce hundreds of offspring until the day they die. So weird... 🤔
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 02:16 PM
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In what world would a guy willingly choose a sexless marriage over the life of Leonardo DiCaprio? The fact that you find the results surprising says more about your delusion than anything else.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 02:12 PM
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Don't have to be married to do any of those things.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 02:06 PM
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because women halt their careers for children, earning less as a result If they want kids, somebody has to watch them, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 11:38 AM
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Women know when they lose suitors as they age and complain about it themselves. Do we really need to debate this?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 11:35 AM
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Most women will never hear men's opinions on this. It's one of those locker room talk subjects guys discuss with their guy friends. Most wouldn't be dumb enough to discuss this around women since most women will just get defensive about it and probably lie anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 02:02 AM
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You can’t possibly defend claiming to love someone based on their physical appearance. Physical attraction is a part of attraction. It's ridiculous that we even have to debate this. Obviously, it's not the only thing, which is why I also mentioned personality. But to imply that looks are completely irrelevant is being disingenuous and arguing just for arguments sake. What if you have an attractive child and an unattractive child? I'm their parent, meaning I have to love them no matter what, even…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 01:48 PM
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Exactly, falling for a guy just because of job, status, and money is no different than a guy falling for a girl just cause of looks and nothing else. Both are 2 sides of the same coin.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 01:06 PM
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Most men fall in love with a woman's beauty That’s lust, not love. Cause you purposefully left out the part where I also mentioned personality... smh. Does she know you speak of women’s intelligence as though they are children? Clearly you have issues, because I never said that. Show me exactly where I spoke of woman lacking intelligence? My wife doesn't know what I do because she's not that interested, not because she can't grasp my work. I told her in detail before but I doubt she remembers be…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 01:03 PM
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Presumably a man cares about a woman he loves. That has nothing to do with her school or job. He could fall in love with a cashier at Walmart. Most men fall in love with a woman's beauty and personality, not accolades. Those things are like garnish, they enhance the attraction a man already has for a woman. Rarely will a guy ever say, "Well she wasn't that attractive and her personality wasn't that good, but she's a surgeon so I'll date her anyway." You can't substitute the important stuff men l…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 12:12 PM
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Yea, because these concerns are valid. You realize the irony here is that red pill men could do the same thing and say you should never trust women because they could divorce as many have? We can all find reasons to distrust the opposite sex and cherry pick from the worst situations we know. Anti-feminists should be training their daughters to be housewives , not send them to school if they want to be consistent. Unless we're talking about arranged marriages, no woman is guaranteed to be a house…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 11:41 AM
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He wants her to be sexually conservative, never had casual sex, and physically desirable. He probably will have a better chance with a more conservative woman. It'll be easier for him to endure a long sexless vetting process more than men who are sexually active. He also doesn't want a woman settling for him because she's running out of options. This is the tough one, but I knew girls from overseas who came from more conservative cultures where it was the norm for older men to court younger wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 11:31 AM
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Then he proceeds to rant about how feminism has made women not trust men and that "women have now become the men they want to marry". Some women don't trust men and are always afraid of being vulnerable or abandoned by a man. It's obvious by the comments they make about wanting to be educated or have a career in case a man does xyz to them. Instead of wanting those things to achieve their own goals or in case something happens to their husband and they need to support themselves and their kids. …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 11:22 AM
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Being indifferent to something doesn't mean dislike. Most men are indifferent to a woman's career and education. We're not looking for women to provide for us, so why would any well-off man care? Only reason It's sometimes viewed as a red flag is because some women develop an ego because of it and basically demand every guy they're with to care and give a standing ovation while they name off their accolades. Nothing wrong with a degree or job. Nothing wrong with being successful. But if I had a …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 11:12 AM
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Even if that's the case, I say he has a better chance with women hitting the wall vs post wall women. Women hitting the wall get desperate and really flexible if they want a family but haven't had kids yet. Women closing in on mid 30's. Post 40 women have pretty much accepted their fate of being less attractive or not having children, so they aren't really feeling much pressure.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 10:51 AM
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The more experienced the woman, the harder it'll be for him to please them. So, how is it an advantage for someone like him with no experience to date an experienced 40 year old over a younger, less experienced woman? The 40 year old woman would likely need to be some desperate divorcee craving affection of any kind and with low expectations. Otherwise, her standards are going to be higher than a younger, less experienced woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 10:42 AM
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Lol, "Well, you're wrong cause I don't just like guys who are 6ft, I'll also settle for a guy whose 5'9". That's a whole few inches!" You really thought you had him there, huh? You ladies crack me up in these comments.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 03:13 AM
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Should change the groups name to "Are we sharing the same Chad again?"
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 03:05 AM
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r/woosh
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 06:56 PM
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That's a horrible idea. Part of the problem is that most men already lower their standards to the dirt for sex. That's how so many fat and average chicks end up sleeping with Chad's and having hundreds of matches on Tinder. Men barely have standards for sex to begin with. Any lower and girls who look like the Hunchback of Notredame are going to start thinking there 10's also. Seems like women are purposely oblivious to the fact that a lot of guys they're hooking up with are probably settling for…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 06:20 PM
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Career women have the highest standards and unfortunately a lot of them forgo their more feminine traits as they move up the corporate latter competing with men. It becomes a double negative of a woman whose both overly masculine AND has high standards. I'd date a feminine, humble career woman any day of the week.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 06:09 PM
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Why? My career is enough to support both of us. I don't want to date a female version of myself. I need a woman whose nurturing and will raise my children well. A degree doesn't determine if a woman will make a good wife or mother. A woman could be a CEO and be terrible at both those things. They aren't related.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 06:02 PM
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They're heteroflexible
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 05:38 PM
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I like your answer much better than my answer. You should try something new OP. Maybe try tying her up and eating the booty from behind. There may still be kinks unexplored that can revitalize the spark. She may not even know what she likes cause you've never tried it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 01:59 PM
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Because the Alpha provides excitement and a challenge since they have to chase him . The moment he becomes predictable and they've secured him for good, they become bored. This is mainly an issue for dopamine driven women, usually women who go from guy to guy regularly. They're addicted to the adrenaline rush of instability and emotional ups and downs. Then there are the types that can't turn off their hypergamy and are always looking for a new guy to monkey branch to. There are some women who c…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 12:55 PM
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That's a difficult question because society is made up of individuals. And right now, when we're talking about dating, men and women ultimately want different and often conflicting things. So, I don't think there's one universal solution that everyone will be pleased with, since it would require one or both sides giving up something they want. What I think will happen is that as more men and women become single long-term, it'll become a game of chicken almost to see who can endure being single t…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 02:55 AM
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For men? It depends on what they're looking for. In general, my advice is: 1) Work on what you can improve. Your physique, style (should fit your body and try to find a style unique to yourself. I personally wear custom-made leather suits, especially because they're hard to get), grooming, career, etc. 2) Socialize even if you don't want to. If you don't work on starting and maintaining conversations with strangers, specifically women, it'll be hard to pick up women. If you don't do this then wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 02:03 AM
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Most clubs try to control the ratios by increasing prices for the men so it doesn't become a sausage fest. Even when the ratios are even, most of the hot chicks will gravitate towards VIP. That's where you'll see the majority of hot girls around just a handful of guys. Then, the majority of guys will compete for the average to below average chicks that are left. Not unlike what you just mentioned. At least that's how it usually is at popular clubs in the USA. Can't speak on clubs overseas. I hea…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/23 11:54 PM
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When you go to a club, does every woman pair up with a man at a 1:1 ratio? Or do you see multiple women flocking the VIP while average dudes compete over the remaining women that aren't. Just because logically it makes sense that of course all women can't have top 20% of men, doesn't mean that's going to stop them from trying. If that wasn't the case then there wouldn't be any any men juggling multiple chicks, with multiple baby mamas, mistresses or side chicks. Most women will compete and even …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/23 06:28 PM
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Yeah, but that's like saying scammers are mad that there are laws that punish them for scamming. Majority of men aren't deadbeats or baby daddies, and actually want a relationship with their kids or want men to be accountable for the kids they produced. That's far more fair than an innocent man becoming a victim of paternity fraud and inadvertently raising kids that aren't his. Men should only be held accountable for the children they produce, and if they want to adopt kids they can do so knowin…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/23 03:12 PM
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Why would anyone be against men being responsible for their own offspring?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/23 01:07 PM
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Trying to figure out why knowing the child's father would lead to homicide?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/23 12:57 PM
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Almost every woman in these threads takes it personally. It's almost impossible for them to give an objective take.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/23 11:56 AM
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I'm sure there exist some men that are totally fine dating and marrying a sex worker. But let's be real, those guys are a small minority. Most people in general don't respect sex workers, let alone want to date or marry sex workers. Edit: I realize what I said probably doesn't apply to Germany or Amsterdam since sex work is more normalized there. I can only really speak from the perspective of men from the cultures where it isn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/23 11:23 AM
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And I should care about the opinions of a person so in their feelings they can't have an simple adult conversation? Sure you can handle Reddit?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/23 03:12 AM
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You not liking info doesn't make it untrue. Women have baggage, they talk about it all the time themselves. Baggage from failed relationships, getting cheated on, getting smashed and passed, feeling used, wishing they didn't post so many thirst traps online, etc etc. Well, all that baggage sticks and accumulates. That how you end up with so many women single and childless into middle age, the group on the most anti-depressants in the nation. Cause and effect, "damaged goods." I rest my case 💯
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/23 03:02 AM
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You have a very limiting mindset. I don't have to agree with the profession or mindset of Pimps to appreciate the literature and a different perspective. This book was a best seller when it came out. Lots of people enjoyed the read, not just me. And they made a documentary about it. Dave Chappelle also talked about the book in one of his shows, which got me interested in the first place. Pimps have a very intricate understanding of the female psyche. They have to since they manipulate these wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/23 02:37 AM
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Dont you think below average men tried with prettier girls before hitting on the 1-2/10? Depends heavily on the guys confidence level. Most guys don't have the game and confidence to approach girls above their level regularly. Most will aim for girls on there level or below, usually within shared social circles. Most women date up, which means inversely men date down. Both settle in the end Not really. Most women who think they're "settling" are actually getting men on their level. That's where …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/23 02:24 AM
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If you're looking at people as "damaged goods" or not, you probably shouldn't be dating anybody. This is a very surface level interpretation of what it means to be "damaged goods." You should read the book Pimp by Iceberg Slim. In it, he talks about how Pimps had a saying, "mileage on a hoe," which essentially meant that each woman working for them had a limit to how debauchery they could commit before it mentally broke them. That was their mileage. Every person, man or woman, to how much baggag…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/23 01:32 AM
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Hypothetically, but realistically, any man who finds out a woman had an OF account would likely dip before enough time has passed to even develop strong feelings in the first place. Unlike those Lifetime movies, most people don't fall in love instantly at first sight. They may be highly attracted to an individual off rip, but actual feelings are developed over a longer period of time. Most guys aren't going to invest time in an OF girl, stripper, or any girl with a reputation and past like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/23 12:48 AM
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Those statements are contradictory. On the one hand you say that bottom barrel women are being pumped and dumped while on the the other you claim their looksmatch aren't attracted to them. Then whose pumping and dumping them? Not the incels. You acknowledge yourself that these guys are invisible. What usually happens is these average or below average girls download dating apps like tinder. They match with guys way above their league. Those guys are the ones who pump and dump them throughout thei…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/23 12:39 AM
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Why did you date an older man then, if you were so grossed out by this? I find it weird how almost all the older women who say that age gap dating is gross and weird seem to have all dating older men themselves. Somebody needs to make that make sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/23 07:45 PM
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Or a guy with an equal amount of baggage in his past, to the point where he won't judge anyone. It'll be hard to find a guy whose lead a good clean life and would willingly want to let a woman into his life with that kind of past and reputation. Only particular kind of guys are going to be okay with inviting that level of drama into their lives. It's usually either men with no boundaries and limited options who will take what they can get. Or men with an equally dark past who will accept a woman…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/23 07:18 PM
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independent and self reliant All grown adults should be independent and self relaint. Anybody who feels the need to emphasize this is usually ego driven. are you saying that women who are in a high powered job are belligerent/combative No, my mother-in-law and mother are both extremely successful woman. They don't need to brag about their accomplishments. The women who make being strong and independent part of their personality, and constantly need to tell people how successful they are, usually…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/23 03:45 PM
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usually are quite controlling of their man to ensure he won't cheat on them You can't stop people from cheating if they really want to. Unless you can be everywhere they are at all times or calling all times of the day. And the better question is why would you even want to be with someone that actively wants to cheat on you?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/23 02:28 PM
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Any woman who calls herself that, or feels she has to announce that is masculine AF. I only deal with feminine women who aren't going be a pain in my ass. If you did not find her attractive, what's up because you were intimidated perhaps? Vast majority of men don't find masculine, belligerent, egotistical, or combative women attractive. It's like a woman coming across an effeminate man. It's just unattractive, call it whatever you want.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/23 02:18 PM
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A woman feeling she should have been born with a punishment is as delusional as me thinking I should have been born with wings. Literally, what's the difference?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/23 01:39 PM
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There was a guy on Ripley's who felt he should have been born a tiger and had multiple surgeries to become like a tiger. I can respect his freedom to do that while also acknowledging that he's probably suffering from some mental illness. Both can be true at the same time.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/23 01:37 PM
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How is this any different from other forms of dysmorphia? If a guy thinks he should have been born a turtle, it's considered a mental illness; a skinny person thinks their fat, it's a mental illness; but a guy thinking he should have been born a woman isn't? How does that make any sense?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/23 01:28 PM
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Cool, then your body, your choice, your fight.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/23 12:39 PM
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I like that they say "settle" because that let's you know how they really feel about the situation. They feel like they are settling and not getting what they think they deserve.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/23 03:16 AM
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A "paper abortion" is not a reproductive right. Why not? If the guy has zero say on abortion or adoption, then he should be able to give up rights to a child he doesn't want. Sounds fair to me. All of the above are rights that men have that control whether or not they reproduce They should have equal post conception rights too. If men don't get to have a say in abortions, then why should we care that women don't get a say? so spare me the "men have no reproductive rights" whining. Then spare me …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/23 02:31 AM
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I dated a girl who lied about her body count and had a gut I worked with brag about fukking her to me. This is what I think about whenever some women advocate for lying about counts because supposedly the guy won't find out. Isn't all the dudes that smashed still walking around a major flaw in their plan? What do they think is going to happen? That these guys are just going to stay quite based on some imagined honor code?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/23 01:19 AM
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It takes to make a baby. Only takes one to use contraceptives like birth control, Plan B, IUD, etc. Contraceptives are not 100% effective. Just using 2 contraceptives brings the chance of pregnancy to a fraction of one percent. Meaning even if a guy nuts in her raw, if she's on birth control AND takes Plan B, the chance of her still getting pregnant is like 0.0001%. It might as well be zero. just so she can use the father and government for money. My point wasn't to say that the purpose is to re…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 11:42 PM
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Afterall mother has to recover and be with the baby for majority of time, and mothers are the ones that carried the burden, lose more of job, have to take maternity leave etc etc. Yeah, but they knew that long beforehand and had ample options to prevent pregnancy or not conceive. Best believe that the number of unplanned pregnancies would drastically decrease if they knew they couldn't use the safety net of the Gov to siphon the father's resources. They can afford to be reckless because they kno…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 09:36 PM
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THIS Why I was also indifferent to Roe V Wade being overturned. "But they're taking away our reproductive rights!" Yeah, but men never had those to begin with, so why should we care?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 09:30 PM
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More men would be willing to take that role if they weren't so heavily ridiculed and criticized for doing so. Heard plenty of stories where even the guy's own wife starts criticizing him for being a stay-at-home dad or househusband. My wife calls them Mannies.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 09:09 PM
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no one ever grew and matured Well, that's the thing. Some people do, and some people don't. It's not always clear what's a phase vs. one's true colors.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 08:05 PM
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What you have to look at is how people feel about their pasts. This is a good point. It's one thing to own a decision and regret having made said decisions. It's another thing to not regret a decision or make excuses because you don't want to be judged. But body count isn't generally about any of that. It's just about men feeling insecure or grossed out (which is fine, that's enough reason not to date someone that you cannot live with the demons it brings out in yourself) I think it's a lot more…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 07:00 PM
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On your last point, funny thing is, some people would call you a coward for taking the safe route. Yet, if you took the risky route and got mugged, they'll either go silent or say you should have known better.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 06:29 PM
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Yeah, I agree that the circumstances and mentality around actions can be much more important than the actions themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 05:39 PM
1

I'm split between agreeing that people can change but also accepting the not so optimistic reality that once someone is capable of someone, they always have to potential to fall back to that. This is the reason why recovering alcoholics and addicts are never considered cured no matter how long they stay sober.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 05:27 PM
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Like the scorpion and the frog. The only one who looked dumb in that situation was the frog being dumbfounded when the scorpion does what it always does. Accepting a past like that also means accepting the responsibility if it blows up in your face.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 05:22 PM
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I think it depends on, like you said, if there's a clear pattern or not, although I think some things are just forever a deal breaker. Like another woman said, if she found out a guy assaulted a woman even once then she'd never give him a chance. Doesn't matter how much time has passed or how much he's changed.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 05:17 PM
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Not sure what you're trying to say here. What else does it apply to?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 05:11 PM
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"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.” – George Santayana So past behavior is never an indicator of future behavior according to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 05:11 PM
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taking something that is not bad in any way, not criminal in any way, not immoral in any way and are assigning it as something bad and wrong Could say the same about my grandfather's alcoholism. Never hurt himself or anyone else, but always had the potential to being wasted so often. My uncle wasn't so lucky. only when women do it, but not for men I've known men that have s promiscuous past and had trouble switching to being monogamous with a single women. They usually ended up cheating because …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 05:05 PM
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Everyone has the potential to change, but not everyone actually does. Also, I think once you know someone is capable of something, it's hard to overlook even if they did change. Like when Chris Brown beat Rihanna. He hasn't gone anything even remotely as bad since but no one has ever let him forget about that, and people never forget that he was capable of doing that.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 04:33 PM
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All of our past shapes who we are, people can change of course but to suggest it doesn’t have some bearing on how we proceed in the future is ridiculous Similar to how I see it. Where it more so gives you an idea as to how someone thinks or what they are capable of. However, all those little events are just a part of the whole. Like individual bricks that together make up the foundation of a home, if that makes any sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 04:19 PM
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Do you think the timeline matters? Like if they cheated but if was half a year ago vs 5 years ago?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 04:03 PM
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Perfect body for me would be hourglass or pear-shaped hips. I'm a booty man so she got to have back. Not fat though, hips should at least be within a normal healthy range. I'm very flexible on the chest. Might even go down to an A cup if she's an overall beauty. I do like girls with rounder faces. Gives a more youthful look in my opinion. Height isn't that important but wouldn't date a midget.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 03:55 PM
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I mean, there's definitely a subset of women who genuinely enjoy being single and childless, and may still enjoy that past middle age. However, I wouldn't say that's the majority of women. Women who I know that are my age and who are still single at 30 are starting to hit baby fever hard, and I've noticed a decline in the quality of guys they date too. They're entering settling mode. Also, the stats back this up too. The group on the most anti-depressants in the USA is single, childless, middle-…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 03:28 PM
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This assumes they don't want love and a family, and just need guys for money and sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 02:57 PM
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B sounds good except for the 'well-known player' part, I'd need to know what that means? Of course option B sounds good, that's why he has options. Him being a Player means he explores those options and goes from woman to woman quite frequently. I'm not interested in someone who comes on too strong or is overtly ambitious or has "family values" Coming on strong I get, but you don't like men who have ambition in their careers and value family?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 02:16 AM
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Forget-Me-Chad "Take 2 and forget all the guys you took up the Woo-hoo!" 👍
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/23 10:41 PM
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Regardless, you have to take responsibility for still sleeping with someone after they essentially told you maybe. That meant NO was a possibility. If you wanted a definitive YES before doing the deed, then you should have made that a clear requirement. You can make all the excuses you want, but no lies were told.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/23 06:54 PM
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Simps may earn the right to be backups when Chad refuses to commit. Usually women don't use the "nice guy" backup till late 20's early 30's tho.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/23 06:47 PM
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"Let's just see how it goes," literally means it can go either way. That's an honest answer. If you still sleep with them and it goes nowhere, well, they told you that was a possibility. Doesn't mean you were used because you didn't get the outcome you wanted.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/23 06:36 PM
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I never said ALL. You're putting words in my mouth. There are men who may lie, just like there are women who may also lie, manipulate, or be golddiggers. That's why we vet our partners. If a woman chooses a guy out of all the men available to her, chooses to have sex with him outside of a committed relationship, and that goes south, now every man is responsible for her own decisions? I thought women wanted equality? Meaning they are equally responsible for their choices just like men are respons…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/23 05:58 PM
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Maybe he changed his mind or maybe he just wanted to smash? Who knows? That's the purpose of proper vetting. All commitmentless sex runs the risk of going nowhere. Women love to say that we don't live in the 1960's anymore, well these are the downsides to the hookup culture we traded the old ways in for. Don't hate the Playa, hate the game, or better yet, learn to play it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/23 05:47 PM
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Sure, but most men(fathers, brother, friends) have said since forever that there are men who lie and will do anything to get in a woman's pants. Plenty of Playas themselves openly admit to their own shenanigans, yet women still fall for it. Hard for me to feel bad for women when they have been warned for multiple generations about this. There's a reason shotgun weddings existed and fathers would force other men to take responsibility. For centuries men have died to defend the honor of the women …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/23 04:17 PM
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And we all go round and round, complaining about being zoned. Ultimately, people can only do what we allow. If someone can get free attention, dates, or sex without commitment, there are definitely individuals who will take advantage of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/23 04:05 PM
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Women need to stop thinking sex is synonymous with or guarantees a relationship. Simple solution to not having sex with people who won't give you a relationship is to not have sex with people who you aren't in a relationship with. People who think like this feel used because they think they can use sex as a bargaining chip to get a relationship out of the other person. It doesn't work like that. If you can't handle just having casual hookups then only have sex in committed relationships. Problem…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/23 03:57 PM
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Are we assuming some conversation occurred beforehand that the sex meant they were suddenly in a relationship? We live in a hookup culture where casual sex and ONS are the norm. It doesn't have to mean anything and you don't even have to know the person. I think it's the fault of the individual who formed these preconceived notions for not getting clarification before doing the deed. Doesn't mean they were used because they're fantasies were not realized.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/23 03:37 PM
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Why don’t you look up the definition of friend? Don't need to look it up to know that true friendship is platonic on both sides. Where individuals stick around each other not because of sexual desire but strictly because of shared interests and enjoying each other's company. Once someone catches feelings, the relationship can't be the same because there's going to be pandering to appease the person in hopes of a relationship. They're going to do things they wouldn't just do for a regular friend …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/23 01:22 PM
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She’s not forcing him to be friends, he can cut ties himself at any point. I agree, but that's still friendzoning tho. If she sees him as a friend and isn’t interested in more she’s literally just putting up a boundary, not “friend zoning” Now you're just being silly. What you just described is the literal definition of friendzoning. You nay not like that, but that's what that is. I didn't make the term. I even said myself in another comment that anyone being zoned should just leave. If they sta…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/23 12:01 PM
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Your situation may be unique, but are we really going to sit here and pretend like most women are lining up to date broke fat guys?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/23 11:41 AM
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I mean, it's impossible for every woman to land a top 20% man. Which means those who want to and can't either have to settle or stay single.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/23 08:30 PM
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I mean, it's impossible for every woman to land a top 20% man. Which means those who want to and can't either have to settle or stay single.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/23 08:30 PM
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Sounds like you're not still with him, which is kind of the point. It's not like women never date broke guy, or overweight, or guys with little to offer. However, they almost always grow discontent when they do and want to level up from that guy. That's hypergamy at play. Nothing inherently wrong about it, it's just biology. All women want to land the best guy they can get.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/23 08:27 PM
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LOL, the lengths we go to in order to make excuses for grown adults making decisions they regret instead of just holding them accountable for their own decisions, as all adults should be. Reminds me of that chick who tried to Me Too Aziz Ansari. She willingly went back to his place and gave him a BJ, yet someone she was taken advantage of because he didn't read her mind and tell that she didn't actually want to do it, which she thought was clear by the fact that the BJ wasn't very enthusiastic. …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/23 05:51 PM
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I thought Red Pill referred to that as a woman having “orbiters”? An "Orbiter" doesn't have to be a friend. It's essentially a guy who lingers around a girl he likes but is too afraid to talk to her or doesn't make a clear move. Could be a classmate or coworker. Doesn't have to be someone you know well enough to call a friend. The “friend zone” is when a woman only wants to be friends. It’s not about stringing people along just to get “benefits” from the friendship. It is if you know how the oth…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/23 04:45 PM
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Sometimes hard to tell if they do it deliberately or suffer from cognitive dissonance.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/23 02:56 PM
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You're misunderstanding. Most men don't have an issue waiting if that's been the consistent rule for other men. It's only an issue when a guy is waiting but finds out Brad and Thad hit it immediately. That's the kind of thing that makes a guy feel stupid for waiting if the rules were different for other guys. The equivalent would be a guy splurging on extravagant dates with other women, but when you're dating him, he's taking you to cheap places like Friday's. How is that supposed to be viewed a…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/23 02:12 PM
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Men and women will never see eye to eye on this. For most men, the more we like a woman, the more we'll want to be intimate with her. So, the mindset of withholding intimacy from men you have a genuine connection with but quickly giving intimacy to men with zero investment or connection makes no sense to us on a logical level. We're also taught that working hard is supposed to get you better results. Yet here, working hard to get to know a woman and form a genuine bond somehow means that she wil…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/23 01:06 PM
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Most women across the globe want men for what they can provide. Not saying that this is all women want but it's always been a major factor in the female vetting process. Most men are raised with the notion that this is there role and accept this fact from a young age. It's not something men have an issue with so long as they are getting reciprocal value in return. So, it feels like a give and take, and not just take and take.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 03:55 PM
1

probably loses me at the "lays on the romantic gestures strong" What do you find repelling about that? What's your idea of gestures that go too far and bother you?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 03:49 PM
2

So try to talk them into polygamy? If you try dating both of them in the scenario, would you be open about it?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 03:44 PM
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Sometimes, that's the only way to gain true trust and love from a man. Especially after they become successful. I hate to use myself as an example but it's the best way to explain this. I met my wife when I was a broke college student with no car. She drove me around and paid for a lot of our dates at the start. A decade later and I have a job with a top fortune 500 and pay for everything she wants or needs. However, I tell her all the time that if God forbid anything ever happened and I became …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 03:36 PM
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Depends on the guy and depends on the level of potential. Think about it like stock investments. You can buy in early and either reap the rewards when the stock blows up or lose a lot if it tanks. However, you can try and wait till after it succeeds but by that point the stock may cost you so much that you may not be able to afford it. And if it's at an all time high, you could have a greater chance of losing than gaining because you didn't invest earlier. Pros and cons to both scenarios.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 02:43 PM
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I appreciate your honesty 🙏🏽
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 02:24 PM
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self-described “nice guys” are actually anything but Ah, seems self-described is the key word here. Kind of like announcing your Alpha. If you have to say you are, then you're probably not. Better to let actions speak for you. I also find that people adjust their expectations of you based on how they perceive you at first. Two men could both cheat on a woman, one's a player and one's a self-proclaimed "nice guy," however, I believe that the "nice guy" will get more hate in that situation. Why? B…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 02:22 PM
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What if they hate each other, so dating one would mean you can't date the other? Who would you choose in that instance?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 02:10 PM
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You're not the first person to choose B but you are the first to explain WHY you see B as the better option, so thank you for that thorough explanation 👍
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 01:09 PM
1

I think we have different ideas of zoning. If I have a female friend, and neither of us have an desire to be more than just friends, then I don't consider that friendzoning. Same with FWB. If neither individual wants to progress things further, then no one is being zoned. I consider zoning something much more deliberate. When one person knows the other person's intentions to make the relationship more than what it is but actively wants to keep them at arms length to reap the benefits of said rel…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 12:52 PM
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Depends on how old I was, I’ve wanted different things at different parts of my life. Would you say that you planned it that way? Like, when you're younger and just looking for FWB, do you also think in the back of your head "this is what I like now for fun but when I'm older and looking for a husband I'll go for a guy whose more serious and has better traits of a husband or father"? Or is it something you never thought about and you just gravitated towards a different kind of man with time? I d…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 12:41 PM
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Looks are subjective. I'm saying average more in a general sense, like most women view him as average. But who knows, he could be your type and above average to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 12:34 PM
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Lol, yeah, that has been happening a lot but not unexpected.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 12:31 PM
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I assume most women's types would be the perfect combination of attributes between the 2 of them, but then that wouldn't be much of a question, would it? I'm more interested to know what women view as the better of the 2 options.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 12:27 PM
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My old roommate in college used to take his girl to chili's all the time. But in his defense, that was all he could afford as a broke college student. He shouldn't have proposed to her girl there tho in my opinion. I joked to my girl that he slipped her the ring over some sliders lol. In this example though, the guy can afford to take you to a better place but just doesn't really feel like it or want to make the investment.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 12:24 PM
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They're supposed to be equally flawed options but in different ways. I'm trying to get an understanding of what traits you'll prioritize or be willing to work with and why?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 12:19 PM
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So, Alpha Fuxx/Beta Buxx?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 12:14 PM
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That was on purpose. It's obvious why the term player would be stigmatized, but I'm curious as to why the term "nice guy" seems equally stigmatized? So, someone says a guy is nice and that signifies to women that they should avoid him? What does that term mean to women that makes it a negative?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 12:02 PM
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What potential do you think A has? What would you want changed to make him a better partner for you?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 12:01 PM
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They're intentionally flawed in different ways for a reason. I'm trying to get a better understanding of what traits women are willing to accept or not except, and the logical thought process behind it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 11:57 AM
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So, your thought process is B for a temporary fling and rely on an upgrade later? Interesting. Would you keep A around as a friend in case that plan didn't pan out (in this hypothetical reality)?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 11:53 AM
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Anything in the universe is possible. The point of the thought experiment isn't to name off the ideal partner. It's to find out what you prioritize when given the choice between 2 equally flawed individuals with different pros and cons.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 05:00 AM
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That's a really good saying. I'm going to hold on to that 💯
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 03:32 AM
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Mr. Perfect from the Lifetime movies and romcoms isn't in this. You have to choose between the flawed human beings I've presented.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 03:30 AM
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The scenario is that you don't know these guys more than the surface level info I've given. You'll have to date them to find our what more they bring to the table. Both are interested but you need to choose one. Who will you choose of those options with the info provided and why?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 03:29 AM
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What would sound more interesting then? Or maybe a better question is what don't you like about the options I presented?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 03:05 AM
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I'm actually agreeing with a woman on here, but exactly. People can only treat you the way you allow them.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/23 10:29 PM
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The main topic is about the parallels between friendzoning and sexzoning. Both are fundamentally the same, just that women friendzone more and men sexzone more. In both instances you have one person who wants to progress the relationship, while the other doesn't but keeps them around for some benefit. For a woman friendzoning, it may be for free validation or a relationship similar to having a boyfriend without having to provide anything in return. For a guy sexzoning, it's just for the sex. Eit…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/23 10:08 PM
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Both individuals can be used and both can be zoned. A man who is interested in an intimate relationship with a woman, can be strung along to provide free validation and support. Just like a woman seeking commitment can be strung along for continuous sex without progressing the relationship into anything more. What makes one situation more or less shitty than the other?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/23 09:19 PM
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Both men & women have commitmentless sex nowadays. Putting the onus on men alone to commit to every woman they sleep with is as ridiculous.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/23 08:52 PM
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