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They had way more advantages from the start, including piggybacking on the post-war communist organisations. Not that I'm all Cold War commie-under-the-bed paranoid, but they are parasitical and always have been. I believe the MRM is operating in a different way, and I don't see the point of dissing it. It's not helpful.
/r/MensRights14/07/13 09:05 AM
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Lol yeah feminists never bitch and whine. You know why feminists were so successful? Because they got men to give them political power! By bitching and whining! They waltzed into a male-created political system, demanded power, and were given it!
/r/MensRights14/07/13 07:18 AM
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Agree and amplify. Spend all your time in this reddit reading, and constantly point out new men's rights things. You have to outdo him on every point. You'll get an education, and he will start trusting you and relax about it all.
/r/MensRights13/07/13 09:41 PM
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Anyway, I’m still a Feminist ’cause I’m still female I thought she said a lot of interesting and logical things, but this bugged the shit out of me. I mean how intellectually and ethically weak is this? Like, I've realised that black people are human too but I'm still in the KKK because I'm still white, I don't want to waste my sheet and hey all my Kluxer friends might be hurt and alienated if I were to leave.
/r/MensRights13/07/13 05:05 PM
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All those other fake wars are fake, only the war on women is real.
/r/MensRights12/07/13 07:04 PM
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She wasn't drinking alcohol. She was drinking soda pop. She was just in the wrong place at the wrong time.
/r/MensRights12/07/13 06:21 PM
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I believe that. I mean of course it's rare. Just like, let's face it, rape is rare. I do however know a young girl (12) who was roofie raped (a spiked drink at a friend's house, the older brother was scum) so that's how I know it exists.
/r/MensRights12/07/13 05:18 PM
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Excellent article.
/r/MensRights12/07/13 10:16 AM
3

I think men could ultimately be better at raising children than women are, there was an article about that a few months ago. To really find out though, you'd have to have a large enough study group and the study would have to be very long-term, because we really judge these things by adult success, don't we?
/r/MensRights12/07/13 08:18 AM
3

Rohypnol does actually exist. My understanding is that it is used by both sexes to render the other malleable. Edit to add: the sign should be in both bathrooms.
/r/MensRights12/07/13 08:12 AM
1

Sneaky cookies are out to get you!
/r/MensRights12/07/13 07:45 AM
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You're right, I didn't notice that the first time.
/r/MensRights11/07/13 06:56 PM
2

Well, it's scathing, I would say. But have you read an Amanda Marcotte or Lindsay West article ever? They make us look like sweet gentle little fairy children dancing happily in the woods.
/r/MensRights11/07/13 03:39 PM
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Who's yelling? I think we're more in the direction of cynical and bitter here. I know I am.
/r/MensRights11/07/13 02:52 PM
2

Amanda for sure, although Hanna might be along later.
/r/MensRights11/07/13 02:18 PM
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You've lost me. Why would my user id make you suspicious? And...of what? I seem to be really out of the loop here. I guess I better start googling. Edit to add: okay I googled. Apparently I'm not only out of the loop, I am nowhere near random enough. (I can't believe there are whole subcultures around this kind of stuff.) So now I'm supposed to say "love and waffles", right?
/r/MensRights11/07/13 11:16 AM
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I liked your comment.
/r/MensRights11/07/13 09:42 AM
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I don't think SRS are our counterparts at all.
/r/MensRights11/07/13 09:39 AM
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Then why does point 4 mention man or woman? I'm confused.
/r/MensRights11/07/13 09:37 AM
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I believe this accusation was baseless, but honestly I'm not sure the guy really had a real shot, his sex life is just too unconventional. Even for the French.
/r/MensRights11/07/13 09:36 AM
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A pretty face is enough to divert significan attention from a man's real achievement, and that is supposed to be sexist against WOMEN?
/r/MensRights11/07/13 08:06 AM
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It's obviously meant to denigrate men.
/r/MensRights11/07/13 08:01 AM
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I think that is kind of a misleading title, though. She's not dissing balls. She's just discussing whether or not women mind if a man has only one.
/r/MensRights11/07/13 07:57 AM
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My guess is wishful thinking. She's afraid that MRAs are the only men who could resist her epic charms. It's like a game of tag, really. Hit somebody really hard and run away, they pretty much have to chase you.
/r/MensRights11/07/13 07:39 AM
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is the penguin of doom somebody famous?
/r/MensRights11/07/13 07:36 AM
1

Well not in England or Ireland, in my experience. Australia and New Zealand I don't know about.
/r/MensRights11/07/13 07:24 AM
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Just by upvoting a few other comments, that's all.
/r/MensRights10/07/13 05:54 PM
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Psycho bitch. I feel sorry for the daughter too.
/r/MensRights10/07/13 03:30 PM
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All men everywhere are supposed to protect them from...all other men everywhere. What could be more patriarchal? These people are so far up their own asses....
/r/MensRights10/07/13 03:28 PM
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loll
/r/MensRights10/07/13 03:23 PM
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America is really the only place in the world (that I know of) where it's considered weird for a man to carry on living with his parents until he marries.
/r/MensRights10/07/13 02:06 PM
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know aim rite
/r/MensRights10/07/13 01:11 PM
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It's way easier to mess up simple homophones than difficult words. That's why even smart people always end up confusing there-their-they're and your-you're.
/r/MensRights10/07/13 09:00 AM
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Not too likely is it? :) Social justice warrior.
/r/MensRights10/07/13 08:54 AM
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I have two exes and we never fucked each other over in any way. I trusted them completely, and they trusted me, and everything was fine. But I do think, if you have to ask, then your gut might be telling you something. Have you seen her be vengeful, disloyal, dishonest to other people or in other situations? Is she two-faced with her friends? Has she told you stories of nasty things she's done to exes? If you've been with her a while you do know what her character is. This is a good time to trus…
/r/MensRights10/07/13 08:51 AM
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I think parallel talk works pretty well in these situations. I think the PUAs call that Agree and Amplify? Agree and go one better, basically. "Yes, men really do suck the hairy, I don't know how you put up with them. All women should become lesbians and leave us men to rot." That sort of thing. Don't smile or in any way let on that you are doing an intervention.
/r/MensRights10/07/13 08:45 AM
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This all falls into the category "don't teach people to protect themselves from crime, teach criminals not to commit crimes." The problem is that feminism has taught women to think of ALL men as criminals in the context of rape, even the men they love and desire, and has taught women to think of many different things - even all penis-in-vagina sex - as rape. So for them "rape" can no longer really fall into the normal crime category any more.
/r/MensRights10/07/13 08:42 AM
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I'm sure you are right.
/r/MensRights10/07/13 08:33 AM
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Well you were hilariously brutal. Anyone who disagrees with you is going to be feeling the sting. (I gave you some upvotes in appreciation.)
/r/MensRights10/07/13 08:30 AM
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Loved your comment. The replies were funny. TIL that being gay automatically makes you a SJW.
/r/MensRights10/07/13 08:26 AM
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Your logic is raping me as I write.
/r/MensRights10/07/13 08:20 AM
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The top end of that range probably really is differing definitions of rape. But say it's 20%, that's plenty. If we had such a high false accusation incidence for any other crime we would be asking hard questions about why and what to do about it.
/r/MensRights10/07/13 08:08 AM
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No, for overacting it.
/r/MensRights09/07/13 09:05 PM
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Fairly revolting.
/r/MensRights09/07/13 08:52 PM
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Not at all, his entire point is that they do these kinds of things to each other. Why would you automatically disbelieve him? You do know that some people have S/M relationships don't you?
/r/MensRights09/07/13 07:15 PM
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It's amazing how often this thing that never happens actually happens. Edit to add: I don't mean the being cleared, I mean the false accusation
/r/MensRights09/07/13 04:49 PM
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I think that if you have the energy for it, it would be interesting to see if you can get a lawyer to take it on as a discrimination lawsuit.
/r/MensRights09/07/13 02:14 PM
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It makes me pretty furious (and also sad) because you know that the rule is there on the assumption that all childless men are pedos.
/r/MensRights09/07/13 01:47 PM
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You know I've loved him in lots of movies but Jesus what a ham.
/r/MensRights09/07/13 01:46 PM
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Given that it's in your best interests, I would not quibble over the money. In fact I would steal it for her if necessary.
/r/MensRights09/07/13 01:19 PM
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Sometimes I get irritated by the brigading but then I think, does it actually matter? I'm here to be informed. Karma points are kind of a fun diversion from real life but they don't actually affect anything in my life.
/r/MensRights09/07/13 01:17 PM
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I agree. It's better dead. I think maybe in the first place it was a class thing, meant to make nobility feel superior and make lower class men feel uncouth. We live in more egalitarian times, and I don't miss it at all. I (a woman) always felt a bit guilty about it, as well.
/r/MensRights09/07/13 01:10 PM
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Good on you.
/r/MensRights09/07/13 12:40 PM
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We don't know what their relationship is. Some relationships include violence, like S/M relationships. If you saw pictures of such relationships you would be horrified. If they had something like that, then it would be very unfair to call him an abuser. And if would be very unfair of her not to let people know that was their type of relationship after the photo came out. Or do you think S/M relationships should be illegal?
/r/MensRights09/07/13 06:54 AM
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That was terrible to see those two old feminists attack her like a couple of hyenas. But she seemed to handle it pretty well.
/r/MensRights08/07/13 10:05 PM
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I'd call that a red flag. If you tell her you don't like it and she dismisses you, I'd say it's time to piss right off.
/r/MensRights08/07/13 10:02 PM
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I think I would never say that someone was or wasn't a "real" woman, I wouldn't use that word. But if pushed, I think a woman is someone born with a vagina, and someone born with a penis is not a woman. Someone born with a penis who feels like a woman is...someone born with a penis who feels like a woman. Obviously there are some physiological exceptions that complicate the question for them. Such as hermaphrodites, or those Santa Domingan girls who became boys at puberty. (They grew testes and …
/r/MensRights08/07/13 06:46 PM
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You are simply abusing the language if you equate something being difficult with something being illegal. They are not equal.
/r/MensRights08/07/13 06:22 PM
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No it isn't effectively making it illegal, any more than people not being able to find a job = the state making it illegal to work.
/r/MensRights08/07/13 05:28 PM
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Abortion is legal in all of those states. Why are you lying?
/r/MensRights08/07/13 05:06 PM
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I don't know any more than what's on the website.
/r/MensRights08/07/13 04:18 PM
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You don't actually know what happened. you just don't. You don't know a thing about their private life.
/r/MensRights08/07/13 02:07 PM
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It was a picture of him with his hands on her throat. That's all you know. Could have been a joke, could have been a game they play. They could be a couple that is physical with each other. You notice that she didn't press charges or even leave him. He says - if you read the article - that this is part of how they interact with each other and she's done it to him too. And I'm wondering why even here the consensus automatically goes against the man when there is no real information about what hap…
/r/MensRights08/07/13 01:31 PM
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The reason that oilriggers don't want women on board is because, as in combat, firefighting and other highly dangerous work, your own life may depend on the physical strength of the people around you. I wish that you would go into one of these highly dangerous professions and see if first hand - I think you would change your tune very quickly. You argument is crumbling beneath your feet but you really cannot see it can you?
/r/MensRights08/07/13 12:55 PM
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I don't know what you mean by responsibility but if the press was baying for my blood for something I had done to my husband, and it was unfair, I would feel very betrayed if he didn't stick up for me. Who wouldn't?
/r/MensRights08/07/13 09:46 AM
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You must be kidding. I mean you have to be. Do you honestly believe that women are lining up in significant numbers to do the dirty work of society -including combat - and being turned away just because of what's between their legs?
/r/MensRights08/07/13 09:43 AM
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I realise they come from the direction of "how does this affect women" but I think this is one of those groups that knows how to be strategic. And it's full of powerful women speaking up for men's parental rights.
/r/MensRights08/07/13 08:52 AM
3

Sometimes I think feminists actually just want to see the end of the human race.
/r/MensRights08/07/13 08:36 AM
2

And that's really all that it's about.
/r/MensRights08/07/13 08:35 AM
2

Please name one state where abortion is not legal.
/r/MensRights08/07/13 08:21 AM
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Aside from what Icarus said, they also compare income over a year or over a lifetime, and then pretend that is for equal amounts of work in that year or lifetime.
/r/MensRights08/07/13 08:13 AM
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Weekly! More like 3 times a day we get this rubbish!
/r/MensRights08/07/13 08:11 AM
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Oh lord help me this again. Can't you people just read the fucking sidebar before you post this crap?
/r/MensRights08/07/13 08:10 AM
0

Some people seem to actively enjoy being stupid.
/r/MensRights08/07/13 08:09 AM
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Totally batshit insane. Well, you hit on an obvious feminist. Why would you do that to yourself? Where could it possibly lead?
/r/MensRights08/07/13 07:55 AM
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Think about it: when men are being treated poorly, it's usually because they're either being treated like women or told they should avoid being like women. This is so demonstrably not true that it seems pointless to even argue with it. Thinking about combat deaths (40 times as high as women's), hazardous work (85% men), spousal domestic violence, exploitation of unfair alimony laws, false rape accusation (and having it automatically believed), unfair custody agreements (often due to unfairly bel…
/r/MensRights07/07/13 07:34 PM
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I know and I don't really understand why. I know the feminists hate him, well they would, but I don't see why everyone else has such a hard-on for him. My theory is that Freud has come to stand for the unconscious he postulated and the repression of Freud is a cultural repression of the unconscious itself.
/r/MensRights07/07/13 02:27 PM
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Same ol same ol. You could tear his arguments to shreds, but I don't think he's smart enough to understand the counterarguments.
/r/MensRights07/07/13 09:33 AM
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The first two problems are too general, I think. I've known girls who got pregnant at that age and earlier simply because they wanted to. School (particularly as it is now, and especially for poor people) is not equally useful for all people. Some girls are best suited to starting a family young. As for the boys staying around, we could certainly do more to encourage it. Boys that age have difficulty making enough money to support a family, yet the government will only help the mother and child …
/r/MensRights07/07/13 09:23 AM
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I love Sparkyfister.
/r/MensRights07/07/13 09:01 AM
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I really like her comments on feminism but I think her general view of the Freudian basis of gender relations hasn't really found a home in the MRM.
/r/MensRights07/07/13 08:59 AM
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Anyway, it's only feminists who think that women exist to satisfy the whims of men. I always say, nobody thinks less of women than feminists do.
/r/MensRights07/07/13 08:53 AM
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She must be so fun at a party.
/r/MensRights06/07/13 07:56 PM
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What a series of non sequitors. Can’t a man pay you a compliment? In truth, this is all a symptom of a much more virulent cultural sickness — one where women exist to satisfy the whims of men, one where a woman’s worth is consistently diminished or entirely ignored.
/r/MensRights06/07/13 07:52 PM
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Women are totally that open amongst themselves, but I've never met one who would put it so crudely. Doesn't mean there isn't one out there though.
/r/MensRights06/07/13 07:17 PM
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So classy.
/r/MensRights06/07/13 03:38 PM
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Wise up.
/r/MensRights06/07/13 05:27 AM
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I don't think anyone think anyone in politics would dare to say it. I could be wrong though. It's just an impression I have.
/r/MensRights05/07/13 10:14 PM
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I think so, and I think that's one reason why anti-abortion people want to eliminate the rape exemption.
/r/MensRights05/07/13 09:05 PM
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Bullshit.
/r/MensRights05/07/13 09:02 PM
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Well ain't she a charmer. I think she just earned herself a big old eyeroll.
/r/MensRights05/07/13 06:08 PM
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No not really. But then sometimes, feminists come here and say some really dippy things.
/r/MensRights05/07/13 12:00 PM
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Are you missing a sarcasm tag?
/r/MensRights05/07/13 10:54 AM
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Our goal should be that 'male' doesn't mean anything different from 'female.' Whose goal? The MHRM?
/r/MensRights05/07/13 09:36 AM
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I think we're fighting back pretty hard here though.
/r/MensRights05/07/13 09:20 AM
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Lost me at the first sentence. It's feminist who have the #killallmen hashtag and the Facebook misandry pages with a million subscribers and the crazy people talking about international castration day.
/r/MensRights05/07/13 09:18 AM
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From here it looks like she is trying to get you to be the one who leaves so she can play the abandoned wife and possible use the court system to ream you that bit more. Under the circumstances anxiety is a reasonable response. I think the weakness in this situation is the fantasy that things might still improve. You'll be better off if you can burn that hope out of your heart. A 3-year-old is a good excuse to set up nannycams in the house, by the way.
/r/MensRights05/07/13 09:12 AM
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My god, what is WRONG with these people? Are they really as insane as they seem, or is it all about politics?
/r/MensRights05/07/13 09:02 AM
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And it's a man, a customer, who helps them. Go figure.
/r/MensRights05/07/13 08:49 AM
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Crap. I did mix you up with someone else. Sorry.
/r/MensRights05/07/13 07:02 AM
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No MRA would ever downvote him for saying that.
/r/MensRights05/07/13 06:24 AM
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Demonspawn, is it my imagination or have you changed your views over the past couple of months? Are you still identifitying as a feminist even?
/r/MensRights05/07/13 06:23 AM
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I've never seen anyone on here come anywhere near saying that sexual assault is okay.
/r/MensRights04/07/13 09:46 PM
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I agree with it in the sense that women as a class have never really been oppressed by men as a class or more than men as a class. We are oppressed, and so are men, by biology, fate, enemy tribes, psychopaths and our own mortality. We have to come to terms with that, in my opinion, as a team. It's only the luxuries of prosperity that allow us to be so destructive of the team that is marriage. For most of human history, it's been essential to survival.
/r/MensRights04/07/13 01:45 PM
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This could have real ramifications for all biological parents, not even just men.
/r/MensRights04/07/13 10:52 AM
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Lol it's because all our time is eaten up in bringing men their slippers and pushing out baby after baby and recovering from domestic beatings doncha know. /s
/r/MensRights04/07/13 10:46 AM
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You are too nice. I would tell absolutely every man I know about it. And any woman who might be on your side. And I would write a letter to the owner. Un-fucking-believable.
/r/MensRights04/07/13 09:49 AM
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At huffington post the headline actually SAID "guess who is most affected by painkiller overdose?" It said (way down) in the article that it's men, but hey, why let facts get in the way of a pandering headline?
/r/MensRights04/07/13 09:42 AM
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Why would you not just go to the police?
/r/MensRights04/07/13 08:50 AM
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I suppose the answer is probably male but it doesn't really matter. How politics works is people vote in the people that they think will do what they want. Women have the vote and if they vote in men who write this legislation then that's what they want. If they don't want it, the males will get voted back out again. In fact male politicians have always bent over backward to give women what they want -- that's how we got the vote in the first place, as well as all our special privileges and disp…
/r/MensRights04/07/13 06:54 AM
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I can see why that started on r/cringe.
/r/MensRights03/07/13 08:23 PM
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Lol, there's a logical argument.
/r/MensRights03/07/13 05:58 PM
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Yet.
/r/MensRights03/07/13 05:55 PM
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No, I don't mean that. Did you ever read those second wave feminists? It's worth doing if you can stand to force yourself. They (especially the socialist feminists who followed Engels) really, really meant the heterosexual nuclear family - every incarnation, not just patriarchal. Heidi Hartmann, Ti-grace Atkinson, Shulamith Firestone, Kate Millet, Mary Daly (of course), I mean plough through them if you can. It's illuminating. Edit to correct a name
/r/MensRights03/07/13 02:49 PM
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Well why not indulge yourself now and again.
/r/MensRights03/07/13 02:46 PM
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Well actually...there were a number of second wave feminists who were very explicit about destroying the heterosexual nuclear family because they considered it, after Engels, to be the cornerstone of The Patriarchy.
/r/MensRights03/07/13 01:24 PM
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Well you did know that was going to happen, though, didn't you? That's what they're like.
/r/MensRights03/07/13 01:10 PM
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You say you've always been friends with women etc. Why don't you try expanding your circle of male friends? Your aversion may partly come from expecting women to be more like men than they are. It may be that your natural next step is to allow women to occupy their own sphere, one that only touches yours in places.
/r/MensRights03/07/13 09:05 AM
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That's right. If a man shoots up a school it's all "look what testosterone makes men do". But when they use their testosterone in the service of society, that's completely invisible.
/r/MensRights02/07/13 07:01 PM
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It's true. I always read it squinting through my fingers, the way I watch really scary scenes in a movie. I want to know, but god I just don't want to know.
/r/MensRights02/07/13 02:57 PM
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It's a very difficult question if you aren't traditionally religious. I don't like Naomi Wolfe much, but she wrote an interesting article about it which described some of my own conflicts. The New Statesman re-ran it for the 40th anniversary of Roe vs. Wade. http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/politics/2013/01/naomi-wolf-abortion-our-bodies-our-souls The thing is, many women who have had either a child or an abortion (or both) feel far less secure than they openly admit about the whole clump-of…
/r/MensRights02/07/13 02:42 PM
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That is your opinion, of course. Other people have other opinions.
/r/MensRights02/07/13 01:38 PM
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I don't think that assumption is any bigger than the assumption that it isn't a human. Given that, without abortion, it certainly is a human at some point, it seems more reasonable to err on the side of caution as to when that point is.
/r/MensRights02/07/13 11:25 AM
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The flaw in your argument is that they have no discomfort whatever being blatantly hypocritcal.
/r/MensRights02/07/13 11:21 AM
1

It's obvious that the disparity is proportional. And I don't think anyone wishes more women would die to even things up. For me the issue is how men are not acknowledged as the heroes of the story. By calling them firefighters, the heroism of men drops off the edge of the world. It's a big, big thing that men do for us when they put their lives on the line to do society's dirty work. It should be acknowledged.
/r/MensRights02/07/13 07:05 AM
0

You are quite wrong. It's women leading the anti-abortion movement. My mother and sister are the most independent women I have ever known. Neither has had a man at all for years. If they vote at all it's always 3rd party. They and their friends are the ones out picketing abortion clinics because they think abortion is murder, not because some man told them to.
/r/MensRights02/07/13 06:58 AM
2

Don't do it, some of us would miss you.
/r/MensRights02/07/13 06:56 AM
1

I looked up patriarchy on the web. These are current feminist blog definitions - mostly not credited so part of the modern cybersphere. I left out all the heavy hitters of feminism because their definitions are over 15 years old -- although still used in women's studies course everywhere, as you will see if you google women's studies reading lists.
/r/MensRights01/07/13 04:48 PM
2

I'm only as sure as you can be on the Internet, one always has to be prepared to be wrong. This is what I went by. http://www.laobserved.com/archive/2013/06/19_firefighters_die_in_ar.php
/r/MensRights01/07/13 04:03 PM
6

Huffington Post, which I read because apparently I haven't tortured myself enough in this lifetime
/r/MensRights01/07/13 04:01 PM
14

And yet they always do.
/r/MensRights01/07/13 02:22 PM
1

All right, cancer. Or I could get into a bad car accident. I could have a stroke. I could get lyme disease from my next tick.
/r/MensRights01/07/13 01:37 PM
4

You're the second one today to tell me that. The first one wasn't being sarcastic. I refuse to give in. Policemen, firemen. Neener.
/r/MensRights01/07/13 12:52 PM
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I saw a picture of the unit. ALL MALE! Edit to add: of course they are all male. It's an elite unit trained to carry extra weight extra distances. Most women can't even manage the requirements of a normal firemen's unit.
/r/MensRights01/07/13 12:01 PM
11

And it's not SEXIST to praise men for taking on those obligations!
/r/MensRights01/07/13 12:00 PM
2

He can always stop if it starts to backfire. But if he keeps at it long enough, it's guaranteed to work. She didn't marry Phil, she married him. She's just shit-testing him.
/r/MensRights01/07/13 11:34 AM
8

You should be as much like Phil as possible. It wouldn't take her long to realise how much she hates it.
/r/MensRights01/07/13 11:14 AM
1

That's really sad. Whenever I get paranoid I think about all the OTHER terrible things that could happen. North Korea could start a third world war. A plague epidemic could destroy most of the world's population. A plane could drop a chunk of frozen piss on my head. I could get bit by someone with AIDS. And then I get paranoia overload and forget about it and get on with things.
/r/MensRights01/07/13 11:13 AM
1

You do have to read all the way to the end, and the first bit doesn't let on where she's going with it.
/r/MensRights01/07/13 11:04 AM
1

There's a men's pond and a mixed pond too. The single-sex ponds are much nicer than the mixed pond, I always thought.
/r/MensRights01/07/13 10:57 AM
7

All of society well get worse without you, and at the moment a lot of women seem too short-sighted to grasp that.
/r/MensRights01/07/13 10:52 AM
2

Curioser and curioser.
/r/MensRights01/07/13 10:28 AM
1

Maybe we should flood it with super extreme ones to make them look even more psycho. I can't think of anything remotely witty though.
/r/MensRights01/07/13 09:39 AM
1

Disgusting, but I'm chuffed to see women complaining about this too.
/r/MensRights01/07/13 09:34 AM
43

And of the 19 firefighters that just died in Arizona, 19 were males. On HP I am called sexist for pointing that out. I may have to quit the MRM just because this shit makes me too mad all the time.
/r/MensRights01/07/13 07:49 AM
2

I like how she says he's giving her a bloody headache. Your logic is making me sick!
/r/MensRights01/07/13 07:29 AM
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I don't know why you are being downvoted at all. This phenomenon makes me so mad I almost posted about it myself. 19 heroic men died trying to protect property but we wouldn't want to make women feel bad about, well, anything.
/r/MensRights01/07/13 07:26 AM
5

Or even women like Camille Paglia and Christine Hoff Summers
/r/MensRights30/06/13 10:04 PM
5

Found it. Not Pollard at all. Marc Rudove https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E007Zu00a-Q&list=PL4EAA49AFD47E986C
/r/MensRights30/06/13 07:06 PM
2

I saw it but I can't remember any key words. I feel like the guy's name was Pollard, but I don't find anything searching on that. I remember the ladies.
/r/MensRights30/06/13 07:01 PM
1

Yeah, it would only be one step towards fairness. But I saw a study (Germany? I think) that showed that the divorce rate goes down if shared custody is assumed. I hope I have that right. It stuck in my mind.
/r/MensRights30/06/13 05:21 PM
3

Many of us have seen it happen. (And your efforts to manshame don't work on us women.)
/r/MensRights30/06/13 02:05 PM
6

Even if this story is not real (and why not believe it) I know five other stories like this. It happens all the fucking time. I SEE it happen.
/r/MensRights30/06/13 01:59 PM
2

That should actually be a crime.
/r/MensRights30/06/13 01:57 PM
1

That isn't what I got out of it. He is arguing against statutory shared custody, he wants it to be ruled on case by case. This is good for lawyers but I think it is bad for people. If shared custody were the default option I believe there would be a lot less divorce initiated by women.
/r/MensRights30/06/13 01:14 PM
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It's so ironic they keep trotting out the force argumen for abortion law but when custody battle time comes around, it's all "mother knows best".
/r/MensRights30/06/13 08:38 AM
1

Doctors get 300 dollars a pop for doing circumcisions. In fact in other parts of the world it's doctors who do female genital mutilation. In London it's Harley Street doctors, the highest status of all. So I reserve the right to judge for myself what my opinion will be, based on the facts. And again, correlation does not mean causation. Whole countries have no circumcision and their health is no worse than anyone else's. It's just a load of rationalising bullshit.
/r/MensRights30/06/13 07:43 AM
3

I thought it was kind of interesting that this woman was highly offended by sausage, that's all. She's launched a whole campaign against this company for marketing lean sausage to women.
/r/MensRights30/06/13 07:40 AM
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There are NO benefits. That study was ridiculous. It was badly done, and even if it had been credible, correlation does not mean causation.
/r/MensRights29/06/13 08:19 PM
0

I'm guessing you know sweet fuck-all about MRA mentality.
/r/MensRights29/06/13 07:09 PM
4

blah blah blah - do you even listen to yourself? First you say health benefits, then you say negligible or not? It's bullshit. There are no health benefits. It's just a savage, barbaric custom and nobody can be bothered to reform it because hey, it's just men. They should already be manning up at birth.
/r/MensRights29/06/13 05:12 PM
1

I think on top of that is, there are certain situations where everyone you ever loved thinks they really would be better off with you dead, or you think they'd be better off, one or the other. And men have a tendency towards self-sacrifice.
/r/MensRights29/06/13 01:27 PM
3

They get money and jobs out of it too.
/r/MensRights29/06/13 01:23 PM
2

Psychologist and bestselling author Harriet Lerner, who has published widely on the subject, calls this pervasive misuse of “vagina” for “vulva” “linguistic genital mutilation.” Talk about making a mountain out of a mole hill.
/r/MensRights29/06/13 12:44 PM
6

Jesus. If a man got up and excoriated another man for betraying the brotherhood, they'd all be outraged.
/r/MensRights29/06/13 12:39 PM
1

I'd be interested to see that survey.
/r/MensRights29/06/13 12:37 PM
2

Christ on a cracker.
/r/MensRights29/06/13 12:34 PM
6

I dare you to go over to one of the feminism subs and insist that female circumcision (also widely known as female genital mutilation) is no big deal and over-sensationalised. You could make the argument that many circumcised women don't mind it, and do it to their own daughters. See how that flies.
/r/MensRights29/06/13 11:12 AM
2

Other first world countries with nationalised health don't make poor people pay for their health care.
/r/MensRights29/06/13 10:59 AM
3

As a woman on this sub, I can only say that I've seen very little misogyny. And when I do it's usually so violently extreme and random - from one time short-account posters - that I feel certain it's trolls from SRS or AMR here to make us look bad. I rarely see it from regulars. But why should I care if there were some? Men survive a lot of misandry. The nature of gender relations is a certain amount of warfare - I think this is a case where women need to man up a little bit.
/r/MensRights29/06/13 10:52 AM
4

So sad.
/r/MensRights29/06/13 09:02 AM
6

My top is shared parenting. Except in cases of abuse (with strong evidence), custody should be automatically shared. After that, I'd like to see the end of Affirmative Action for women. Of every sort, completely.
/r/MensRights28/06/13 08:20 PM
3

You might as well, that's what lots of other feminists do.
/r/MensRights28/06/13 04:30 PM
1

No, I'm not dishonest, and yes I'm into playing wierd mind games. And so are a lot of people. Because that's what makes sex fun. That's what you feminists in your literalness and humourlessness don't ever seem to grasp.
/r/MensRights28/06/13 04:28 PM
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It's not easy to leave a cult, and it doesn't matter what the ideology is, the final discussion is always something like what you experienced. You will suffer a bit and then you'll be free, and when you look back at them you'll see petty, small-minded, miserable people that you grew out of. And then you'll forget them entirley.
/r/MensRights28/06/13 01:13 PM
7

Not just a social embarrassment. He has a world where he is boss. Can't have that.
/r/MensRights28/06/13 08:14 AM
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The strange thing is that it actually looks like a tasteless joke . I was really shocked till I realised it was an anti-DV campaign. I think they need to rethink this.
/r/MensRights28/06/13 07:15 AM
3

Eeeeeeeeeeewwwww. ;)
/r/MensRights28/06/13 06:54 AM
1

Generalising about an entire gender? How is that not sexist? You cannot say all men are this or all women are that without being sexist.
/r/MensRights27/06/13 10:46 PM
3

Definition: Patriarchal (adj.) describes a general structure in which men have power over women. Society (n.) is the entirety of relations of a community. A patriarchal society consists of a male-dominated power structure throughout organized society and in individual relationships. Patriarchy (rule by fathers) is a social system in which the male is the primary authority figure central to social organization and the central roles of political leadership, moral authority, and control of property…
/r/MensRights27/06/13 09:57 PM
5

Okay.
/r/MensRights27/06/13 07:20 PM
3

I guess if I have to say I was kidding, it wasn't funny enough. sorry. (Does it get clearer if you know I'm female? Or should I just give up.)
/r/MensRights27/06/13 07:08 PM
2

Give me a fucking break.
/r/MensRights27/06/13 07:04 PM
8

Just reading that and chortling made me feel like I was picking on a mentally disabled person.
/r/MensRights27/06/13 07:00 PM
11

Stop. Breathing. You're using up my air.
/r/MensRights27/06/13 06:59 PM
3

I really like Christina Hoff Summers, I've read her books and I find them very logical and penetrating. However, even if she WERE accepted by the feminist community, I would still reject feminism. We don't need it, and it's bad for us. It weakens and undermines us by telling us that men are to blame for all of our biological and existential problems. It makes us feel victimised and helpless and vengeful, and discontented, and worst of all, ungrateful to the men who do so much for us. And since t…
/r/MensRights27/06/13 06:47 PM
1

You should look at at least 10 other sources, including some books. I think you'll find some very different definitions in other places.
/r/MensRights27/06/13 05:44 PM
5

Trying to get a woman who has every option of saying no to you to have sex with you is not rapey! Rape is rapey! That's why it's called rape! Edited for typo
/r/MensRights27/06/13 05:43 PM
2

But her version isn't called something that "mildly radical" feminists would immediately reject. It so is. She's been totally rejected by feminists. They insist that she isn't one. It's one of the reasons that I have no patience with NAFALT. As soon as a feminist IS reasonable, feminists want nothing to do with her.
/r/MensRights27/06/13 04:31 PM
4

While I agree that "patriarchy theory" is usually sexist in it's implementation, I don't think that it's sexist by its mere existence. Patriarchy - the idea that all men are a privileged overclass while all women are an oppressed underclass. How could that not be sexist? But if you redefine patriarchy as "power is currently concentrated in the hands of certain men", there is simply no basis whatever for feminism.
/r/MensRights27/06/13 04:27 PM
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She is upset because a demonstration of a new kind of bike rack only had male bikes hung on it? With burning problems like this revolution must be just around the corner.
/r/MensRights27/06/13 03:18 PM
6

There's nothing rapey about desiring a woman enough to try and get her to have sex with you. This is just an unpassable shit test.
/r/MensRights27/06/13 02:53 PM
1

I think it's very complicated though, class always is. There's fear and admiration there as well.
/r/MensRights27/06/13 02:49 PM
6

That's amusingly put, but you are actually supporting the stereotype of working men as violent primitive brutes. I used to know oil riggers when I was young. They were big, and I'm certain they had nudie calendars, but they were gentle, loyal souls.
/r/MensRights27/06/13 12:56 PM
0

Fuck you. You're trolling to make this sub look bad, go back to SRS or whatever vortex of illogic you come from.
/r/MensRights27/06/13 12:13 PM
6

At least this one doesn't blame men. That almost seems like progress.
/r/MensRights27/06/13 11:56 AM
1

That makes no sense. It isn't a response to what I've said. Even though I assume you're being sarcastic I've reported the comment.
/r/MensRights27/06/13 11:53 AM
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Costello wept as she was being jailed. I hope no one tried to comfort her.
/r/MensRights27/06/13 11:52 AM
1

No I clicked and it took me to the MA video. I always warn people so others can avoid it if they want to.
/r/MensRights27/06/13 11:36 AM
6

If you define dominant and persuasive as "rapey", maybe. It seems very twisted to do that, however.
/r/MensRights27/06/13 10:34 AM
4

That's bullshit, and it shows how threatened you are that you even feel the need to say it.
/r/MensRights27/06/13 10:33 AM
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The only way I would stay in bed with a man after I've said I don't want to go any further is if I'm lying and want to be persuaded. You may say that a woman has a right not to be further persuaded in this situation - she said no but stayed in bed - but any woman would be a fool to do so if she is seriously averse to what's happening. Why would you?
/r/MensRights27/06/13 10:32 AM
1

It's all just madness. I'm expecting them to begin with mob violence any day now.
/r/MensRights27/06/13 10:28 AM
6

Manhood Academy spam.
/r/MensRights27/06/13 07:21 AM
4

Of course it is. Because prison rape is the funniest. Thing. Ever. The bigger, more masculine and white and privileged the guy, the funnier it is. /s
/r/MensRights27/06/13 06:58 AM
1

It's still disgusting, who cares if it's surrounded by other disgusting stuff.
/r/MensRights27/06/13 06:57 AM
1

Are you saying that saying you wish to slap someone is social and peaceful? Or doing it? I don't think it's so bad to express the impulse sometimes, but then you get these people who say completely psychopathic things (although I think they are trolls who try to make us look bad). Who wants to be like them?
/r/MensRights27/06/13 06:53 AM
1

I thought I would get told off for it. In fact I might still.
/r/MensRights26/06/13 07:45 PM
5

Zactly.
/r/MensRights26/06/13 05:41 PM
10

You shouldn't condone it, really. It's not very civilized. And you are The Ethical Man, after all. But sometimes I speak what's in my heart instead of what's civilized.
/r/MensRights26/06/13 05:07 PM
7

I sure would like to give purple a good hard slap.
/r/MensRights26/06/13 04:28 PM
8

Bad apples, right. I might not be so skeptical if they could come up with some good apples.
/r/MensRights26/06/13 02:31 PM
2

If we're talking about "the best interests of the child" then the older a woman is when she gets pregnant, the more dangerous it is for the child. How so?
/r/MensRights26/06/13 01:58 PM
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It's very difficult. If you consider a fetus to be an unborn child, and not just a clump of cells, the bigger question is why should anyone have a right to kill a baby just in order to avoid 9 months of discomfort and a few hours of pain (which by the way is a choice - you can avoid it)? If people got only 9 months in prison for committing murder, that would be generally considered to be not enough discomfort. If you consider the fetus to be just a clump of cells, the situation is of course diff…
/r/MensRights26/06/13 12:49 PM
1

I agree.
/r/MensRights26/06/13 10:49 AM
5

What is the np tag?
/r/MensRights26/06/13 09:19 AM
2

"Though there are many who might disagree with the practice, I regularly discuss politics and news with brainwash my 9-year-old daughter, Aurora."
/r/MensRights26/06/13 09:16 AM
1

But what makes it difficult to take the legitimate issue of men's rights seriously for a lot of people is the sad fact that a good deal of men's rights advocates believe that they are persecuted because of this completely non-existent matriarchy. The irony.
/r/MensRights26/06/13 09:13 AM
9

I didn't see anything anti-male in there, and I don't see why anyone would begrudge women getting pregnant later. Men can father children into their 70s, after all.
/r/MensRights26/06/13 09:08 AM
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The bill is trying to make local abortion clinics safer, probably to avoid another Gosnell nightmare. And 5 months is not exactly restrictive, really. It is possible that an abortionist might have to kill a living baby on the table at 5 months. So far, most people want to avoid that. Not even pro-abortionists were happy about Gosnells post-abortion actions, as I recall.
/r/MensRights26/06/13 08:40 AM
3

The idea that men are hopelessly incompetent in the domestic domain might be seen as a form of benevolent sexism, if it includes the idea that women should do all that stuff for them (as it did when I was young).
/r/MensRights26/06/13 08:17 AM
3

I can't tell which sarcastic point they want to make against MRAs, but I can tell that piece has no friendly intentions.
/r/MensRights26/06/13 08:15 AM
7

I'm not generalising feminism, not at all. I said that feminism is based on the idea of patriarchy. If you wiki, you will find that patriarchy is considered to be the core tenet, so if there ARE feminists who don't believe in it, they are in the minority and not representative. What is patriarchy? The idea that men have always (always!) created social systems that benefits them at the expense of women, or some version of that. Or as Shulamith Firestone defined it, the idea that men have arranged…
/r/MensRights26/06/13 07:32 AM
8

If you look at the history of feminism, and the basic beliefs of feminism, it all revolves around blaming men for what are biological or existential issues. The very idea of patriarchy others and demonises an entire gender. Much of the so-called "equality" that feminism supposedly struggles for is mere revenge fantasy. The MRM from the start has no such theory at its core, and has no interest (so far) in getting revenge on women. It focuses primarily on discriminatory (against men) laws, and the…
/r/MensRights25/06/13 10:42 PM
7

Yes I'm serious. It's not like being anti-MRA. I'm sure you know that really. And it's not very nice to call this sub a cesspool just because you disagree with some of the people on it.
/r/MensRights25/06/13 10:14 PM
7

What's wrong with being anti-feminist?
/r/MensRights25/06/13 09:49 PM
5

Everyone suffers. It's the human condition, right? But blaming the human condiiton on one group - that is the road to much greater suffering. That's how it seems to me anyway.
/r/MensRights25/06/13 09:30 PM
1

Then why do YOU think men are given much more severe sentences (and bail requirements) for the same crimes? Why don't you look at the actual facts?
/r/MensRights25/06/13 04:06 PM
1

Well women have had the vote for a number of decades, and comprise half the voting population. So women have no one to blame but themselves if elected positions are occupied primarily by men. Women are free to go to law school and there are plenty of affirmative action programmes to get them there, if they have the intelligence (and I know they do) and they are willing to make the same sacrifices that male law students make. As far as police positions go, it's absurd to blame men for that. It's …
/r/MensRights25/06/13 03:23 PM
16

Empathise with women, or empathise with feminists? Because I am a woman and I don't need feminism to help me solve my problems. And I don't think feminism could solve any of these problems you mention. It certainly hasn't so far. Some of the biggest problems in in my life have been caused by feminism. Some of the worst treatment I have gotten has been by feminists. And that's when I was a feminist. I don't need feminism. I need one of those hydraulic exoskeletons that Sigourney Weaver used to de…
/r/MensRights25/06/13 02:26 PM
12

To cut right to it, how many more woman-as-survivor stories do we need to hear (however inspiring they might be) before we figure out that violence against women isn’t caused by women, and that it won’t be stopped by focusing on what women can do to change their lives?” Feminism - always empowering women to just sit around helplessly waiting for men to fix things.
/r/MensRights25/06/13 12:12 PM
1

Actually, he totally owned you. You are the one bickering ineffectually.
/r/MensRights25/06/13 11:23 AM
1

This is the most retarded mish-mash of thought-porridge I have ever seen. Please take Logic 101 and a couple of non-women's-studies philosophy classes and try it again in a few years.
/r/MensRights25/06/13 09:46 AM
5

Stupid people read stupid things, I wouldn't give a shit if it weren't a reflection of how totally acceptable misandry is in our society. You're not going to see an outraged blog about THIS on Huffpost.
/r/MensRights25/06/13 07:56 AM
2

It's easy to be paranoid but I believe we have been heavily infiltrated. Or perhaps the MRM has changed and there are a lot of MRAs now who care more about looking harmless than speaking truth.
/r/MensRights25/06/13 07:49 AM
3

They aren't ADMITTING anything, they are focussing on gender roles - which require no effort from them, it's all up to men - in order to distract from real issues. It's total sleight of hand.
/r/MensRights25/06/13 07:45 AM
2

I think it's great when someone has the energy to analyze that kind of rubbish. I read it, and it depressed me so much I couldn't think, in particular it depressed me that women with obvious dysfunction are given a platform and encouraged to define family - dysfunctionally - for everyone.
/r/MensRights24/06/13 09:27 PM
5

So a lot of concern about men being free to be more like women (as feminists like to portray them) but nothing about alimony, custody, false accusation, boys falling behind educationally, prison rape, woman on man DV, disproportionate suicide rates and higher mortality rates, occupational mortality statistics or the fact the Facebook has a whole feminist commisariat for removing misogyny while allowing the most appalling misandry to run wild and free. See, now, if I were a man, this would anger …
/r/MensRights24/06/13 08:27 PM
3

A lot of us are very focussed on anti-feminism, and I have no problem with that.
/r/MensRights24/06/13 01:31 PM
3

I don't think it matters so much if it was a feminist anyway. I mean I don't like feminism but my takeaway wasn't that feminists are bad. My takeaway was that fake rape statistics are frequently cited as fact and become the basis of an awful lot of panic and misandry, and here is a very good example of fake rape statistics.
/r/MensRights24/06/13 08:46 AM
2

Wow, amazing.
/r/MensRights24/06/13 08:28 AM
2

It just irritates the shit out of me that a different opinion is called inappropriate and regressive.
/r/MensRights24/06/13 08:21 AM
1

I think all types of politics are pretty well represented by the MRM. I do think it makes it difficult to be left though. When my friend put me onto GWW I still considered myself politically left if rather socially conservative. By the time I had been hanging around here for a week, I had moved away from the left almost completely. I still don't feel any affinity with the right though.
/r/MensRights24/06/13 08:02 AM
1

I guess you might be right. I've never met any women in my class and level of education that aren't feminists. Maybe I shouldn't extrapolate from them to all women.
/r/MensRights22/06/13 08:33 PM
2

I don't know what you mean about mirror image feminist. And I don't know what shit needs to be dispelled. I'm not a feminist at all. But in spite of being a woman with rather low self-esteem, my experience of many white feminist educated middle class women (and I have known many) is that their main psychological problems revolve around frustration about not getting their way.
/r/MensRights22/06/13 08:24 PM
0

Issues that come with too much self-esteem, like narcissism and sociopathy probably.
/r/MensRights22/06/13 08:16 PM
8

Except she didn't completely bash feminism. That would have been great. She stuck by it though. And if I were here son, I would be thinking, how much can she really care?
/r/MensRights22/06/13 08:13 PM
2

I guess all this stuff might apply on a first date or something, but after you've been married 20 years it starts to look pretty silly.
/r/MensRights22/06/13 06:25 PM
3

I get sick of the internal tone policing. Every minute of every day men are being told in everything they do that they do it wrong, they are too male about it. Why can they not have a place where they get to voice their frustration about the work they do in return for nothing but abuse and ingratitude?
/r/MensRights22/06/13 09:08 AM
3

And I think that's something that most people can agree on to some extent whether they're a feminist, a MRA, both, or neither. No it isn't.
/r/MensRights22/06/13 08:46 AM
2

He makes some good points. Particularly about the whole Catherine Kieu thing. I don't see why men shouldn't be able to say these things. I think if you printed the transcript here, it might make it easier for people to understand what he's getting at. It's not just hate, it's a pain cry.
/r/MensRights22/06/13 08:45 AM
1

Why don't you try to focus on the core of the topic? I am called rape apologist for SAYING that staying sober and out of dangerous situations is a good way to avoid rape. Meanwhile, feminists are actively undermining young women by give extremely bad advice. And you're pretending to be on the side of women?
/r/MensRights21/06/13 04:54 PM
0

The piss-midget.
/r/MensRights21/06/13 04:07 PM
3

Oh uh-huh. Aren't we getting all NAFALT-y again?
/r/MensRights21/06/13 02:41 PM
3

You are the one who brought it up, insisting that MRAs misunderstand feminists. I never bring it up myself with strangers, online or otherwise, that would be rude. I hope the other daughters are smarter than their feminist mothers, or lucky. Otherwise they'll find out the hard way that the very, very small percent of the male population that rapes does not care about your "men shouldn't rape" campaigns. Edit
/r/MensRights21/06/13 02:30 PM
3

You are interpreting, in exactly the way that feminists do. The fact is that I would tell my daughter (with no tone at all) that you don't get coma drunk and get in cars with boys, because that is NOT victim blaming, that is good solid sense.
/r/MensRights21/06/13 02:13 PM
5

Eeeeyup. They're fools though. I started out saying I was not a feminist. It was when I got told I really am and I must be (especially since I'm a woman) that I started to feel contrary. They are always shooting themselves in the foot, I think.
/r/MensRights21/06/13 02:07 PM
3

If I say that girls who want to avoid rape shouldn't get faceless and get in cars with boys, there an awful lot of people who would call me a rape apologist. Just yesterday on huffpost comments I saw somebody insisting that she would never tell her daughter that, because it's rapists' job not to rape. I think that MRAs really are not the ones misunderstanding feminism.
/r/MensRights21/06/13 01:39 PM
2

I suppose I may be too optimistic but I think the next generation has seen how ugly it is, I don't think they'll play along. I mean who was it that launched the hackattack on Sendgrid or Gridsend or whatever it was and got Adria Richards fired? The feminists may have scored a few goals and gotten away with a bunch of fouls, but the game's not over yet. Edited for clarity
/r/MensRights21/06/13 01:27 PM
1

That's a disappointment. I was a huge fan of Black Books.
/r/MensRights21/06/13 01:17 PM
3

So sad.
/r/MensRights21/06/13 10:27 AM
1

I agree with you but I come from a different generation. I suppose it's just a matter of live and let live, as long as you can get what you need.
/r/MensRights21/06/13 09:08 AM
9

Only when they open their mouths.
/r/MensRights21/06/13 08:39 AM
2

Given that these were and are some of the most influential feminists of their time I don't know why you should be shocked that people identify these statements made by feminists with feminism. It's only logic, really.
/r/MensRights21/06/13 07:19 AM
2

Actually all you have to do is go to the huffpost comments on the WHOdomestic violence study to see the spirit of Valerie Solanas alive and kicking.
/r/MensRights21/06/13 07:15 AM
2

Unfortunately, as soon as Weldon rejected feminism she also converted to Christianity, which gave the left the opportunity to say she was just crazy. Not that I believe it.
/r/MensRights21/06/13 07:14 AM
2

So none of these women is an influential feminist?
/r/MensRights21/06/13 07:05 AM
2

There is no excuse for calling someone unmanly or unfeminine. A stranger shouldn't be commenting on your appearance at all, and a friend should be kinder.
/r/MensRights20/06/13 08:57 PM
1

lol
/r/MensRights20/06/13 08:38 PM
6

Sounds pretty obnoxious to me. I mean, if you gender flip it, no way would that be kosher.
/r/MensRights20/06/13 07:40 PM
2

Misogyny? HOw hypocritical can you get anyway?
/r/MensRights20/06/13 07:13 PM
2

There's a suggested reading list in the sidebar.
/r/MensRights20/06/13 06:46 PM
28

The only thing is that I feel pretty certain that a man saying these things would never get it blogged on Huffpost.
/r/MensRights20/06/13 06:44 PM
-1

That was just fucking ugly. And I'll bet you anything Brittany is a mega-perv.
/r/MensRights20/06/13 06:41 PM
2

They wanted to do a Carrie Prejean on her. She may have sounded stupid but at least she didn't infuriate the feminist left. So maybe she isn't so stupid after all?
/r/MensRights20/06/13 04:04 PM
5

I do agree. I think it's a way of discouraging straight males from friendship with other males. It's also part of the SJW "aboslutely everyone is secretly gay" fantasy.
/r/MensRights20/06/13 02:34 PM
0

I support your message.
/r/MensRights20/06/13 02:27 PM
1

Then don't get into a debate. I made my opinion clear. I didn't start out saying that anyway (although I do think it). But I find it completely sickening that hers became international news with protests and all sorts, while his gets called sodomy hazing.
/r/MensRights20/06/13 02:26 PM
5

Why not? I think that's wrong. An eleven year old boy is anally gang-raped and it's called "sodomy hazing"? No I'm sorry, that's just outrageous. Frankly I think hers probably was less humiliating and traumatizing. I can tell you which experience I'd rather have, and it's not his by a mile.
/r/MensRights20/06/13 02:06 PM
13

Crazy. Wasn't LESS than that done to the Steubenville girl, who was also quite a bit older?
/r/MensRights20/06/13 08:39 AM
1

I don't think the woman is a very good example though. Obviously she either couldn't or didn't want to have children, and he did. No marriage can survive that.
/r/MensRights20/06/13 08:16 AM
1

Yeah, that's what I mean too. ;) By the way, it wasn't me that posted that article.
/r/MensRights19/06/13 04:35 PM
1

I didn't think it was really that far off, myself. But then I grew up with a lot of sisters and I already think girls are more devious.
/r/MensRights19/06/13 04:09 PM
2

There's no doubt that feminism has dumbed women way, way down. I don't think we are amoral though. Probably.
/r/MensRights19/06/13 03:40 PM
1

That was the title of the article. I always use the exact title of the article. What's the problem?
/r/MensRights19/06/13 03:39 PM
1

If those were really the only two choices I would expect to see even more suicide than there is. I do think it's possible to find some middle ground, though.
/r/MensRights19/06/13 12:59 PM
1

As far as I'm concerned, it's not that it's important to deny it. I just don't believe in it, not the way that feminists define it. I grew up in a patriarchal household, where the absolutely explicit rule was, first comes god, then comes jesus, then comes husband, then comes wife, and kids last. (And if we had been agricultural probably the cows would have come before the kids. ) In theory he was the last and final word on everything. My father worked two jobs to keep a roof over our heads and t…
/r/MensRights19/06/13 12:52 PM
1

Dont you think this might increase the amount of false rape claims since that becomes womens only "out" if she becomes pregnant? Yes. That's why the people trying to restrict abortions don't want a rape exemption.
/r/MensRights19/06/13 12:43 PM
6

I think so. I met a guy the other day, totally passive, so passive he's starting to get sick. Raised by a feminist who constantly told him girls are better. The father was distant and having an affair most of the time. The interesting thing was that he said every man he knew was like him. He thought it was totally generational.
/r/MensRights19/06/13 11:04 AM
1

I don't think it does.
/r/MensRights19/06/13 10:06 AM
2

I'm trying to imagine his costume. It's not attractive.
/r/MensRights19/06/13 09:57 AM
0

I think the whole entire fantasy of patriarchy comes from having a large leisure class with penis envy.
/r/MensRights18/06/13 09:27 PM
13

Funny, though, that all the feminist outrage from people like Lindy West and Amanda Marcotte and their ilk is always directed at men and MRAs, never ever ever at crazy man-hating radfems. Funny that these feminists don't say "misandry is awful and we don't support it", they say "misandry isn't a thing". Or do you want to say that Lindy West and Amanda Marcotte aren't real feminist either? Or Louise Pennington of huffpost, who wrote an anti-father diatribe on Father's Day? If you stay and read he…
/r/MensRights18/06/13 06:50 PM
1

I figured it was tumblrinaction humour. Those guys really riff on the tumbltard memes.
/r/MensRights18/06/13 06:29 PM
2

You're welcome. I must say that I can't imagine what Men's Rights groups those would be. But I really only hang out here and at AVfM, I don't even know what other MHRM groups there are.
/r/MensRights18/06/13 06:27 PM
4

I know academic research isn't always popular in the Men's Rights community, WTF? A) Why, because we are a bunch of Luddite barbarians? B) We constantly search for and use academic research. Unless of course you are talking about fake academic research, like Koss's fake rape statistics. THAT isn't popular here, no.
/r/MensRights18/06/13 05:57 PM
7

I think you are kidding but you might need a /s
/r/MensRights18/06/13 05:30 PM
1

Excellent.
/r/MensRights18/06/13 05:29 PM
3

The irony is fabulous. What can you do but shake your head and vow to look out for some smarter friends for yourself?
/r/MensRights18/06/13 05:27 PM
12

I think it's really got the STEM problem, well maths and physics. There's unlikely to be money or glory in it. You have to love it entirely for its own sake, entirely. You have to work incredibly hard for quite possibly very little reward. I never blame women for not doing these things - not very many men do them either. But they should shut the fuck up about sexism. If you want to do it you have to pay the price.
/r/MensRights18/06/13 04:53 PM
24

Apparently we get to be honorary men when the man-hatin' starts. Or so spermjack tells me.
/r/MensRights18/06/13 04:29 PM
52

OH no not this again. Couldn't you lot just read here for a week before posting the exact same thing that is posted on here 3 or 4 or 5 times a day? There are plenty of females in the MRM, in fact I am one, and I have to tell you that I have not yet felt unwelcome. We also tolerate feminists a WHOLE lot better than the feminist subs tolerate MRAs - we don't ban you, which is more than we can say for you. If you get shat upon from a great height, it will be for the drivel that you write, not for …
/r/MensRights18/06/13 04:28 PM
0

That's great. I'm a radfem. I'm fat, my face looks like my neck threw up, I have a saber-toothed vagina, and all I want is to kill all men. I spend the day trying to convert young girls to lesbianism and falsely accusing men of rape. I think the human race will be fine without men because all those smart lesbian women scientists are going to figure out parthenogenesis any day now. Actually, never mind, people suck and I'll be thrilled to see the human race die out.
/r/MensRights18/06/13 11:26 AM
2

I absolutely agree about their attitudes. Thatcher did not consider her sex to be important at all. My only point was that she put up with a lot of shit about it. Merkel as far as I can tell makes no fuss and gets no grief.
/r/MensRights18/06/13 09:16 AM
6

So "trying to undersand MRAs" really means "trying to convince MRAs". And THAT really means "trying to annoy MRAs". Or possibly "trying to downvote brigade MRAs". Why bother? Is your life that boring?
/r/MensRights18/06/13 07:55 AM
1

It seems like it from this side. It's seems the opposite of submissive.
/r/MensRights18/06/13 07:49 AM
0

I think she is working from the position that all PIV is rape. Typical radfem lying nutcase. These people are mentally ill, there ought to be a diagnostic category. Instead they get to help make laws. Edit for missing word
/r/MensRights18/06/13 07:37 AM
4

No, what's confusing to me is that she says the successes of white women make a case for not abandoning affirmative action, then goes on to give examples of all the ways that whites have the advantage over blacks. From the information she gives there appears to be NO CASE WHATSOEVER for continuing AA for women.
/r/MensRights18/06/13 07:36 AM
1

Maybe she cried in private, who knows. IN public she appeared to relish it. She considered it a sign of her own power, which she was completely at ease with.
/r/MensRights18/06/13 07:34 AM
1

She'd have to get her foot out of her mouth first.
/r/MensRights18/06/13 07:30 AM
1

Yet teasing (which basically negging is) works quite well with women. I mean telling a woman she hits like a girl in a sarcastic manner works quite well in my experience. That's what I thought. I love being teased by men. It's a very sexy, intimate form of flirting. It obviously won't work in all situations (because nothing works in ALL situations, besides looking like a male model) but it does express ease, confidence, humour and dominance.
/r/MensRights18/06/13 07:29 AM
4

The successes of white women make a case not for abandoning affirmative action but continuing it. As the numbers in the Senate show and the Fortune 500 show, women still face barriers to equal participation in leadership roles. Of course, the case for continuing affirmative action for people of color is even greater. The median wealth of white households is 20 times that of black households. Researchers found that the exact same resume for the exact same job application will get twice as many ca…
/r/MensRights17/06/13 10:04 PM
6

You are probably considerably younger than I am , so you might have missed some of it. The main one I remember was an editorial cartoon about her hitting someone with her purse. I remember some feminists complained about it, but they couldn't put their hearts into it because they hated her so. And of course Spitting Image said the most scurrilous things about her.
/r/MensRights17/06/13 08:16 PM
3

Or that she's 14.
/r/MensRights17/06/13 07:40 PM
32

It's pretty true about Merkel but actually it's not true about Thatcher. I lived in England during Thatcher's reign and she was constantly belittled with sexist jokes, but by the left. They loathed her so much, they were beside themselves. She saw their hatred as a sign of her own power though. And I think she was right.
/r/MensRights17/06/13 06:26 PM
1

I think he - and I - may have understood it differently than you did.
/r/MensRights17/06/13 06:20 PM
1

If you go down and read rainydayblues's comment, he says it better than I can.
/r/MensRights17/06/13 06:09 PM
2

The Time Gap. It's a thing.
/r/MensRights17/06/13 05:32 PM
2

I don't object to her having a list of rules, although I'm old enough to know how foolish that is. What I object to is that her own lack of empathy for men is pretty shameless, and that these rules are so inconsistent and emotionally confused that what she is basically saying is what I put in my posting headline: men must read my mind. I see this character over and over again - in romantic comedies, in HP blogs, in the conversations of young women. It's culturally approved, and it shouldn't be. …
/r/MensRights17/06/13 05:26 PM
3

Women don't like sluts because sluts are like union scabs. They drive down the price, and break the monopoly. I don't think sluts should be shamed any more that prostitutes should.
/r/MensRights17/06/13 04:55 PM
2

That's sad.
/r/MensRights17/06/13 04:53 PM
3

Well it's not my cup of tea but as long as there's no rape involved, I myself wouldn't call it disgusting.
/r/MensRights17/06/13 04:00 PM
4

Eating girls? What does she mean?
/r/MensRights17/06/13 03:17 PM
3

I realise she's just some silly bint. But this is the impossibly mixed message that's being sent to men now, and it's on HP which means it's the official party line. And I DO think it has a bearing on men's right to some dignity and respect in this world.
/r/MensRights17/06/13 02:42 PM
3

They were actually kind of scary.
/r/MensRights17/06/13 02:06 PM
2

Fascinating.
/r/MensRights17/06/13 01:48 PM
2

Countries that have legalized prostitution have found it neither provides more control over criminal behaviour nor offers greater protection for women from violence. It has also led to increased rates of sex trafficking. I'd certainly like to see some back up for that. I am pretty sure it's bullshit.
/r/MensRights17/06/13 01:31 PM
5

What's interesting about that second one is the convolutions he has to go through. Clearly, quite a lot of research really does support significant brain differences that would make different teaching styles essential for boys to thrive. He can't deny it, so he has to insist that that is the wrong research to pay attention to, and anyway it's not conclusive, and you're interpreting it wrongly as well, and anyway correlation doesn't mean causation yadda yadda yadda and also it's really not a gend…
/r/MensRights17/06/13 12:24 PM
4

Lame. LIke anyone at all is going to be fooled.
/r/MensRights17/06/13 10:43 AM
2

Wonderful. She won't ever have to pay it probably, but at least the injustice was officially acknowledged.
/r/MensRights17/06/13 10:42 AM
3

I went to a women's studies course 20 years ago that had two teachers, both radical feminists who had chosen lesbianism as a political statement. They spent the entire term trying to persuade the class of mostly straight women to make the same choice. I also had a radfem lesbian TA in my philosophy class at college 30 years ago who ran the seminars and during the seminars proselytised the girls intensely for political lesbianism. This was in two different countries. I know that not all lesbians …
/r/MensRights17/06/13 10:03 AM
3

That's ridiculously true.
/r/MensRights17/06/13 07:53 AM
9

I thought they were finally going to admit that men ARE more fun than women.
/r/MensRights17/06/13 07:39 AM
1

Squaring the circle is a math thought experiment, if I were to answer your question literally. But seriously, it sharpens up your critical and analytical skills enormously. I studied maths in college. It teaches you how to look ruthlessly at what's actually there.
/r/MensRights17/06/13 07:34 AM
3

The fact that women have long been shut out of dangerous industrial jobs (by men, by the way) is part of patriarchy. What a joke. Not even you can possibly believe that.
/r/MensRights16/06/13 09:37 PM
4

I'm a little confused about 13. As a woman I have not been personally affected by any of those items listed. But some are important to me. Should I tag the ones I find important? Or only the ones that have affected me?
/r/MensRights16/06/13 05:16 PM
3

Love you more than rainbows!
/r/MensRights16/06/13 05:05 PM
1

Didn't Einstein play football?
/r/MensRights16/06/13 05:03 PM
6

In this case especially, because she is reversing the normal feminist argument against men, which always includes deeply contemptuous male slutshaming.
/r/MensRights16/06/13 05:02 PM
3

Of course the comments are full of misandry.
/r/MensRights16/06/13 02:28 PM
9

No, actually, feminists talk like that when they are discussing men's reproductive rights.
/r/MensRights16/06/13 02:09 PM
5

No. She's talking about equal reproductive rights and responding to the various feminist arguments against them. With heavy sarcasm, as she always does.
/r/MensRights16/06/13 10:44 AM
2

Math isn't just numbers, it's a way of thinking and approaching problems and the skills transfer very well to other situations.
/r/MensRights16/06/13 09:36 AM
2

Teach them the rules of logic and debate, so they learn to recognise and handle bullshit arguments. And Shakespeare to make them wise and compassionate to all human beings. And maybe the Greek myths so they can see the fundamental archetypes of the human condition.
/r/MensRights16/06/13 09:35 AM
2

Okay. She does do a lot of name-calling. I just blank it, I don't even notice it because her arguments are so logical and concise.
/r/MensRights16/06/13 09:30 AM
1

I think a political movement that is driven by idealogues who want to decimate (in the literal sense - reduce by a factor of ten) the male population has no common ground with ANY men. They are the natural enemy of all men and all women who love them.
/r/MensRights16/06/13 09:17 AM
3

Oh well, if you can't understand the point, there's no shame in that.
/r/MensRights16/06/13 09:06 AM
2

I was wondering about them, with their white dresses and lovebomb smiles.
/r/MensRights16/06/13 09:03 AM
7

I think if you read it through you'll see that it's about the women who slutshame men but refuse to take equal responsibility.
/r/MensRights16/06/13 09:00 AM
1

Do you think I should tag it NSFW?
/r/MensRights16/06/13 08:59 AM
1

Even though I'm not seeing the MRM angle I'm glad you posted this, it's very interesting and sad.
/r/MensRights16/06/13 08:57 AM
3

What a charmer.
/r/MensRights16/06/13 07:22 AM
6

That's what I thought, but it could be either I guess.
/r/MensRights16/06/13 07:12 AM
2

50 years of feminism doesn't seem to have done modern young women much good, if they are this terrified of slightly older men.
/r/MensRights15/06/13 09:29 PM
3

All the children I know are more reasonable.
/r/MensRights15/06/13 08:54 PM
1

I see your point.
/r/MensRights15/06/13 06:27 PM
2

You know perfectly well that your lot mean it as an inuslt. Don't throw your arms up and pretend it wasn't a deliberate foul.
/r/MensRights15/06/13 05:52 PM
4

He's one of my favorites.
/r/MensRights15/06/13 05:46 PM
0

But you have to convert to feminism. Which means loneliness, bad sex, angry friends, and cats. Do you like cats?
/r/MensRights15/06/13 05:39 PM
0

you really want?
/r/MensRights15/06/13 05:38 PM
2

Nice work if you can get it.
/r/MensRights15/06/13 05:26 PM
3

Since you identify women as honorary men when you insult them with the word mister, it seems so.
/r/MensRights15/06/13 05:25 PM
1

Oooooooohhhhhh, NOW I get it.
/r/MensRights15/06/13 04:59 PM
3

Equal opportunity misandry, I am impressed.
/r/MensRights15/06/13 04:59 PM
0

Nice article.
/r/MensRights15/06/13 04:04 PM
2

What rapists?
/r/MensRights15/06/13 03:27 PM
1

He's not a troll. Nearly everything he says is right.
/r/MensRights15/06/13 03:25 PM
3

What I don't care for about it is the way it portrays women as small children with poor judgement who essentially need a nanny, preferably a male one. If anything creates a rape culture, it's that.
/r/MensRights15/06/13 12:45 PM
1

I like the second one a lot. (I don't get the first one.)
/r/MensRights15/06/13 12:39 PM
3

Why do you call the people on here misters when you know perfectly well that there are a number of very vocal NON-FEMINIST women on here? Is it by any chance a lie (another one) to try and undermine our credibility?
/r/MensRights15/06/13 12:28 PM
1

That last card, the sincere one, did bring tears to my eyes. I loved that article.
/r/MensRights15/06/13 08:23 AM
12

I don't see much point having these discussions on FB. If she's a real friend, you might say something when you see her next. Just something simple and indisputable, like "men are all different, just like women, and it hurts me to see us stereotyped like that".
/r/MensRights15/06/13 08:17 AM
2

This sub has added about 15,000 members in the past ten months, hasn't it? It might be interesting to run that poll again and see if anything has changed dramatically.
/r/MensRights15/06/13 07:46 AM
12

How tiresome. I get the distinct impression that career feminists are getting desperate.
/r/MensRights15/06/13 07:06 AM
3

Me too. I mean before I ran into the MRM. It's very strange, it's like that old country western song, As Much as I Loved You Then, That's How Much I Hate You Now. Well, not hate. But I see things I ignored before, that's for sure.
/r/MensRights14/06/13 01:20 PM
6

It does remind me of that tattoo artist who found out his girlfriend was cheating. He didn't let on that he knew, but offered her a back tattoo. When it was all done she found out it was a big steaming pile of crap with flies hovering around it.
/r/MensRights14/06/13 11:03 AM
6

(Prosecutor) Lucas said the woman could have made up anything if she wanted to gain custody of her youngest son, not a "weird and unusual" story about a man shooting a computer. Lol.
/r/MensRights14/06/13 10:24 AM
1

You have to admit the headline is really just inflammatory and not at all scientific, either.
/r/MensRights14/06/13 08:29 AM
3

I reported it but...I don't expect a thing to come of it.
/r/MensRights14/06/13 08:27 AM
17

I couldn't just upvote, I had to say that I have never seen that formulated in a more succinct or concentrated way. I am going to use it on occasion if you don't mind.
/r/MensRights14/06/13 06:59 AM
2

What is divorce-porn? If I saw the movie I would probably know what you mean, but I won't.
/r/MensRights14/06/13 06:56 AM
1

You know, I really don't think so either, but the left does seem convinced that she will win by a landslide.
/r/MensRights14/06/13 06:32 AM
4

My biggest problem on the philosophical level is that I see no more sign of a patriarchy than I do of a God. In fact less. I've seen some slightly magical shit happen with my own eyes. My biggest problem on the personal level is that feminism is always more interested in being right than happy. Most people want and need a loving family life - that's all most of us are going to get (I mean we aren't most of us going to be Picasso or Albert Schweizer - our chances for happiness lay in love and fam…
/r/MensRights14/06/13 06:28 AM
1

Well, yes and no. You're right in principle of course, but there are a lot of forces at work in culture generally, on people. Brainwashing from childhood is a powerful influence. I take full responsibility for all my decisions but I am aware that feminism put a lot of pressure on me not to love a man. I felt ashamed of wanting a mate, and it wasn't until I could make the shame conscious and identify the source of the shame that I was able to resist it. That is a process, and there is no support …
/r/MensRights14/06/13 06:13 AM
1

Yes, sure. That was more of a rhetorical question.
/r/MensRights13/06/13 09:49 PM
1

I can't help thinking it is feminism's fault that we have no clue though. I know feminists would hate me for saying it, but it is quite natural to just want love and a family. That's what the vast majority of all people have it in them to achieve, and would be satisfied with if they were allowed, and there is nothing wrong with that. Find a mate, have children, raise them up, maybe have a couple of nice holidays, and then die. Feminism is one of the main ideologies that makes us (women) think th…
/r/MensRights13/06/13 09:15 PM
2

If you don't ask them I will, because I am curious.
/r/MensRights13/06/13 08:43 PM
6

I don't see any discernable difference between radical feminism and mental illness.
/r/MensRights13/06/13 08:41 PM
1

Yeah, I give up at that point. Actually I usually give up earlier. I love a good argument but you can't get one with a feminist.
/r/MensRights13/06/13 06:07 PM
2

I think that aggression is fundamental to all humans, since we are a territorial species. It seems clear that the evolutionary process allotted most of that protective function to men. Violence is one manifestation, there are lots of others. That's my view.
/r/MensRights13/06/13 06:05 PM
5

In my darker moments I am led to conclude that women don't have a fucking clue what they want.
/r/MensRights13/06/13 01:38 PM
1

Oh dear oh dear oh dear.
/r/MensRights13/06/13 11:40 AM
5

Lynne Parker, founder of the Funny Women said:"It is unfortunate that any project that claims to have a social science driven answer as to why women are ‘less funny’ than men is gaining attention in 2013. But only attention it's gaining is from women who don't think it's at all funny! "At Funny Women we’ve spent 11 years creating a meaningful and important platform for women in comedy, and we work hard to dispel the myth that ‘women aren’t funny.’ The women we’ve met over the last 11 years are i…
/r/MensRights13/06/13 11:38 AM
9

So do they think there simply are no women who actually enjoy masochism and think it's a fantasic deal to get paid for doing what they enjoy?
/r/MensRights13/06/13 11:36 AM
1

Lol. Stupid men, don't they understand ANYTHING? /s
/r/MensRights13/06/13 11:18 AM
2

What I notice, and I think maybe this is gender neutral, is that sympathy - however much you think you want it - is actually quite weakening. I've noticed it a lot, even in myself. I have a sister who spend hours a week whinging about work and begging for sympathy. And I give it to her because she's my sister and I love her and I feel genuine sympathy. But I notice she often seems to feel worse afterwards, not better. She feels best if I just change the subject. So...maybe he's not just being a …
/r/MensRights13/06/13 10:24 AM
3

I think we're being brigaded, I mean it may not be our own hivemind that is doing the downvoting.
/r/MensRights13/06/13 09:42 AM
11

Manhood academy spam.
/r/MensRights13/06/13 09:35 AM
1

"Taken", smirk smirk.
/r/MensRights13/06/13 08:47 AM
1

I am copying this directly from a comment on there (someone who is most likely on here too and if you are, thank for this excellent rebuttal, I hope you don't mind me using it but I never could have put it any better) No, the 77 cents on the dollar is absolutely NOT an apples to apples comparison. It's just isn't and you can read it for yourself -http://www.consad.com/content/reports/Gender%20Wage%20Gap%20Final%20Report.pdf The proponents of the wage gap argument continue to repeatedly assert co…
/r/MensRights13/06/13 08:09 AM
1

You know that is just the reply I would expect. That men are so sexist and the patriarchy is so powerful that men would rather take a financial loss than hire women. When you have a really good, solid conspiracy theory, everything proves it.
/r/MensRights13/06/13 08:04 AM
1

Well, she might want to negotiate with her man. But feminists should keep their meddling little noses out of it.
/r/MensRights13/06/13 04:32 AM
7

And they are trying to redefine their "working differently" as equally valuable just because women do it.
/r/MensRights12/06/13 09:26 PM
4

Eeek. r/cringe
/r/MensRights12/06/13 07:22 PM
6

I don't understand why you would want to rescue feminism from itself. I mean I guess it's something to do if you have a lot of extra energy. But what can it achieve in the long run? Feminism is really at the end of its life because it achieved equality for women, and more than equality in many cases. Why drag it out? Let it die a natural death, that's what I think.
/r/MensRights12/06/13 04:26 PM
3

I think feminists are the fanatics. They have all the features of a cult, as far as I can tell.
/r/MensRights12/06/13 02:48 PM
6

Do you believe that men occupy the position of an oppressive class and women occupy the position of an oppressed class, now and historically?
/r/MensRights12/06/13 01:45 PM
1

That's very optimistic. I'm not so optimistic. In my experience, when people have weak personal identities (and in times of change they always do) they get very wedded to their group identity. And feminism is being driven by powerful forces. But I would rather that you were right, and maybe you are..
/r/MensRights12/06/13 01:42 PM
6

blocking someone's RIGHT TO TALK isn't a right. What I see them claiming is that they have a right not to be offended, a right to safe space but like absolutely everywhere they go and they get to decided what safe is, and so on. It just seems to me that feminists and a lot of other SJWs are really fighting for the right to oppress others. Feminists might say that by fighting for the rights of women, they are also fighting for the rights of men (and everyone else). I don't doubt they would say it…
/r/MensRights12/06/13 10:03 AM
4

rape-threat MRA guys Jesus.
/r/MensRights12/06/13 08:25 AM
1

I think the old way works as well as anything I've seen. But I guess that's dead.
/r/MensRights12/06/13 08:21 AM
0

Yeah, I feel the same way about bad women. I'm sad when I see men who have had their hearts ripped out through their balls and dislike women as a result. I feel like I can't really blame them.
/r/MensRights12/06/13 08:18 AM
10

So feminists working for rights of alimony, sole custody, the Duluth model of DV, blocking of anti-feminists speech, calling the MRM a hate group --- that's all working for the rights of men too? I'm not seeing it.
/r/MensRights12/06/13 07:56 AM
2

...each woman in the class possessed (or might, rather, feel we were possessed by) an ability to make one or more of the other women radically and excruciatingly doubt the authority of her own self-definition as a woman; as a feminist;.... This is interesting because I think she is just describing the natural competition that arises amongst women in groups (and men in groups). I suppose much of the point of feminism was to suppress or cover up this competitiveness and channel it into gaining pol…
/r/MensRights12/06/13 06:03 AM
5

That's interesting about the Henry James. Sometimes I think feminism looks modern or even post-modern, but deep down it's just the same old vicious village gossips, in this case whispering to each other about the unmarried man in the neighborhood.
/r/MensRights12/06/13 05:34 AM
1

Edit to add: I'm sorry, I didn't think.
/r/MensRights11/06/13 02:25 PM
1

Whoops. What should I do now?
/r/MensRights11/06/13 02:25 PM
1

Sorry, I was wrong.
/r/MensRights11/06/13 02:22 PM
2

Okay, sorry. I looked and thought it was first posting here and it struck me as odd.
/r/MensRights11/06/13 02:22 PM
7

I think he's saying that the men go have affairs to get back at the women for being lying cheaters.
/r/MensRights11/06/13 01:53 PM
2

I am not seeing the MR connection?
/r/MensRights11/06/13 01:51 PM
0

If you shave will you get fired from your troll job?
/r/MensRights11/06/13 01:40 PM
1

Wrong thread?
/r/MensRights11/06/13 01:16 PM
1

Dr. Denise Hines has joined Leading Women for Shared Parenting! Denise is an Assistant Professor of Psychology at Clark University and a widely recognized expert on Domestic Violence. Dr. Hines’ research centers on issues of family violence and how to connect such research with policymakers and practitioners. Her current research has three foci. First, she is the Principal Investigator on a series of studies investigating the physical and mental health of men who sustain partner violence from th…
/r/MensRights11/06/13 12:09 PM
1

imagine how many feminists we could potentially recruit if we just talked about issues rather than raising their emotional walls. None. Zero. That's what I think. I watch the feminists who come here (more and more of them) pretending to be friendly and reasonable. They are welcomed (by some) for discussion. They never, ever get recruited. Eventually they get frustrated and furious and start slagging off the whole sub.
/r/MensRights11/06/13 11:44 AM
3

feminists maybe would be less inclined to make unproductive comments in the first place. I feel a bitter comment coming on.
/r/MensRights11/06/13 11:40 AM
4

He's probably really distraught now that he has no chance of getting a big settlement from a rich TV actor.
/r/MensRights11/06/13 09:46 AM
2

Jesus fucking Christ.
/r/MensRights11/06/13 09:45 AM
2

I know a guy who got on the wrong side of his woman's studies teacher and don't ask me how but she managed to block his Ph. D.
/r/MensRights11/06/13 09:43 AM
1

From comments on here I have the impression that for some students it is mandatory. I don't understand how that is possible but it seems like several college guys on here have said it.
/r/MensRights11/06/13 09:42 AM
1

I don't even dare to go look at the comments, they will make me want to puke, I'm sure.
/r/MensRights11/06/13 09:40 AM
2

I think you have really good points. Constructive feedback: I think it must be much smaller, and the paragraphs must be shorter, and actually some of your words are too long. It is dense and not so easy to find a way in. I think what you have there could be three blog posts. I like your use of Yeats.
/r/MensRights11/06/13 09:19 AM
1

Just when you think tumbltards can't get stupider.
/r/MensRights11/06/13 08:42 AM
3

Starting the anti-male propaganda early.
/r/MensRights11/06/13 07:44 AM
2

The problem is primarily perpetuated through male culture. There is no "male" culture. We're all in this together and women contribute as much to our joint culture as men do. Saying otherwise is sexist!
/r/MensRights11/06/13 07:39 AM
13

Nobody can prove what you said is wrong because you have no evidence. Your theory is unfalsifiable, and by the rules of logic that means it can't be proven true either. Consider this though. If anything can be a rape joke, what is to stop people from accusing you of intending rape jokes when you didn't? You need to be careful of this kind of totalitarian approach to people's speech, or you are going to end up on the spit yourself one day. Edited to add missing word
/r/MensRights11/06/13 05:58 AM
5

That's just ridiculous. You could say that to a kid while taking their bandage off. You could say it to someone getting an unpleasant medical procedure. Or ANY unpleasantness in life. Just because it might be a thing said by a rapist doesn't mean only rapists say it. And how on earth would you know what rapists say in mid-rape? Other than from movies.
/r/MensRights11/06/13 05:51 AM
7

/s?
/r/MensRights11/06/13 05:42 AM
22

I'm on the side of a lot of freedom of speech on here but when you make grossly violent remarks like that you are really fucking over the whole MRM. It's almost like you might be trolling to give hostile subs a quote to mine.
/r/MensRights10/06/13 08:45 PM
72

Un-fucking-believable. I think Freud would have a thing or two to say about people who see rape EVERYWHERE.
/r/MensRights10/06/13 08:36 PM
19

Feminists in bed with the far right, as usual.
/r/MensRights10/06/13 11:39 AM
26

A false rape accusation that lands an innocent man in jail is exactly as bad as rape, since the prison system is apparently designed to guarantee that a man will be raped in jail.
/r/MensRights10/06/13 10:29 AM
0

I thought we weren't even supposed to say female anymore. I guess she didn't get the memo from Feminist Central yet.
/r/MensRights10/06/13 09:03 AM
1

totally
/r/MensRights10/06/13 08:57 AM
1

Oh sorry.
/r/MensRights10/06/13 08:52 AM
13

Nobody gives a shit if she is genderqueer. She pitched a disgraceful hissy fit because she didn't like someone's opinion. It was just ugly.
/r/MensRights10/06/13 08:50 AM
2

Not that it would have helped.
/r/MensRights10/06/13 08:48 AM
1

Fuck you and fuck your sizeness privilege. Fuck your willingness to lift heavy things privilege. (Love your username.)
/r/MensRights10/06/13 08:47 AM
1

On the privilege chart I have like -50 points, and I think this a load of toss. It's nothing to do with privilege, it's to do with people thinking that screaming "rape apologist" and "privilege" is a substitute for facts and logic.
/r/MensRights10/06/13 08:45 AM
3

The Daily Mail has a readership, they aren't no one.
/r/MensRights10/06/13 06:43 AM
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Does he really think it will work to appeal to honour and ethics? Feminists don't care about those AT ALL. I hope he's ready to be called rape apologist or even, these days, rapist.
/r/MensRights10/06/13 06:42 AM
2

No, I'm sure you are right, I was exaggerating for effect. My point was that although she certainly does care for her son very deeply, at that moment and probably some other moments, she is more concerned with using him to punish her ex-husband than she is with his well-being. It's a shame, but I'm sure in future years mother and son will work it all out and come back to a loving relationship with each other.
/r/MensRights10/06/13 06:27 AM
1

I have trouble with it myself, and I'm a woman. But I don't think it matters. Your thoughts and feelings are still your own private business, and you can dislike women all you want. Everybody else too if you like.
/r/MensRights10/06/13 06:24 AM
2

No but we can be embarrassed by feminists, I know I am, and I wish more women were.
/r/MensRights10/06/13 06:19 AM
2

I think it's just a matter of logic. You can't judge all people by some because that's not reality. Having said that, I think you hurt yourself more than anyone else with misogyny (and misandry and racism etc) I don't buy the feminist line about how your thoughts and opinions hurt other people at all. It closes down your own heart though.
/r/MensRights10/06/13 06:11 AM
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someone fat
/r/MensRights10/06/13 06:02 AM
5

It's a feminist.
/r/MensRights10/06/13 05:58 AM
2

Yup, that's how it ALWAYS goes.
/r/MensRights10/06/13 05:09 AM
3

I may be exaggerating slightly but I do think she has a Medea complex. She doesn't care about the kid, she just wants to hurt the husband.
/r/MensRights10/06/13 05:06 AM
0

It's kind of sad. I remember when they seemed like genius god heroes.
/r/MensRights09/06/13 09:03 PM
4

How do you mean?
/r/MensRights09/06/13 08:25 PM
10

The thing you have to remember is that every single thing feminists say is a projection.
/r/MensRights09/06/13 05:08 PM
3

Actually, I think this is a troll, and not a real story. I think it's just too wierd of her to post it online rather than talk to him about it, if they've been together four years.
/r/MensRights09/06/13 03:37 PM
1

I never heard of being able to get child support from a man's family. Not that I think this actually happened.
/r/MensRights09/06/13 02:30 PM
1

I was curious so I typed educating boys into amazon.de and I found this: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Educating-Boys-ebook/dp/B003NCVRX6/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&qid=1370783436&sr=8-8&keywords=educating+boys I think Stephen Biddulph also writes a lot about boys, but he's also kind of a feminist so I don't know how helpful he is. He has a lovely sense of humour though.
/r/MensRights09/06/13 01:14 PM
2

Oh for heaven's sake. That's 2 examples out of the dozens that don't get any or go negative. As you know perfectly well. Why bother with these lies? And those two postings aren't even "conservative", they are just about issues that men care about a lot: safe spaces for men at universities, and girls who lie in order to get men thrown in jail. Two things feminists find hilarious, as far as I can tell. Edited to add something
/r/MensRights09/06/13 11:58 AM
13

She even says she'll do anything it takes to get him away from "that man". At that point I thought, yeah, she'd kill that poor kid just in order to deprive her husband of him. Psycho Medea complex.
/r/MensRights09/06/13 11:20 AM
27

You are right, it is so unfair. It's like that idiot woman complaining that Seattle men are afraid to ask her out -- but no that's not feminism's fault, it's men's fault.
/r/MensRights09/06/13 11:16 AM
1

The majority of prisoners are men, so it is not true that women have roles of least power. Men are not elevated because of their ability to exert control but because of their willingness to make decisions and take risks and be disliked and work long hours and sacrifice themselves to those high positions. Women are not devalued at all, because of their lack of control or otherwise. If anything they are overvalued and overprotected. Highly valued traits like honour, nobility, competence, fairness,…
/r/MensRights09/06/13 11:11 AM
2

What kills me is that EVERYONE is assuming that she is telling the truth. I mean she could just be lying! Anyone can say anything!
/r/MensRights09/06/13 10:15 AM
1

You'll find new, more sensible friends, and you'll sharpen up your arguing skills. This is what happens to everybody who decides to think for themselves.
/r/MensRights09/06/13 09:29 AM
2

Actually by definition if you are an advocate for the right's of men you are an MRA. I don't think so. MRA stands for Men's Rights Activist, not Men's Rights Advocate. You could believe in men's rights (well who besides feminists wouldn't?) and not be an activist.
/r/MensRights09/06/13 09:17 AM
1

Girl Writes What has a blog which I think is called Own your Shit. I like judgybitch a LOT because she is hilarious and never afraid to call it, but moderate? Not sure. Dr Helen Smith, Dr Tara Palmatier and Christina Hoff Sommers are all people who argue very logically and without a lot of rage. I realise these are all women. Most of the men I really like - like Sparkyfister - only do youtube, they don't seem to blog.
/r/MensRights09/06/13 09:10 AM
0

That's not a very nice thing to say really.
/r/MensRights09/06/13 08:56 AM
2

That's a good one.
/r/MensRights09/06/13 08:32 AM
21

That was fucking harrowing. What a control freak. I love the moment when she starts saying she wants to press assault charges on the boy, and he goes "you're calling me baby but you want to sue me?"
/r/MensRights09/06/13 08:26 AM
38

It's always unpleasant finding out that your parents have rather stupid opinions.
/r/MensRights09/06/13 07:45 AM
1

If this isn't a troll, then she's not disputing consent, she's redefining rape as not pulling out when you said you would.
/r/MensRights09/06/13 07:39 AM
1

That made me laugh really hard. Twatwa! Good one.
/r/MensRights09/06/13 07:37 AM
2

It's never got more than 1 or 2 upvotes, usually 0. You KNOW that. Why are you lying?
/r/MensRights09/06/13 07:18 AM
1

Look at that Native Canadian blog you guys keep linking and upvoting. That's just a flat out lie, as you know perfectly well.
/r/MensRights08/06/13 10:28 PM
17

I don't like her because she blames men for becoming what feminists spent 30 years trying to get men to be.
/r/MensRights08/06/13 07:17 PM
2

No, I was talking about all of your post. I agreed with all of it. It is exactly this that has completely driven me away from the left, although I considered myself highly left wing for almost 30 years. I don't agree though about attacking the ideas behind these behaviours. What I also can't stand about the left is their inability to accept that there is more than one way to think, and that other people's different ideas are okay too. Tolerance is only for people who agree with them.
/r/MensRights08/06/13 07:00 PM
6

That is so disgusting. Good article about it, though.
/r/MensRights08/06/13 06:43 PM
-2

I never thought I would hear a feminists say this.
/r/MensRights08/06/13 06:41 PM
14

What a dumbass. And if she thinks an article castigating Seattle men for not being as manly as Alaskan men is going to get her dates, I have a feeling she's in for a disappointment. She reminds me of the kid at the playground hitting another kid over the head with a truck while screaming "Be my friend!"
/r/MensRights08/06/13 06:38 PM
1

That does sound unhealthy.
/r/MensRights08/06/13 06:21 PM
1

See my other answer.
/r/MensRights08/06/13 03:43 PM
1

My only transport is a bike (normally) so I really have gone into all this. If it's long and straight you can't pedal. If it's long and full you have to tie it up and tuck it in your waist band, which then tends to work it's way back out of the waistband at bad moments, and also it tends to leaves your knickers showing. Short and flippy, again with the knickers showing. Short and stretchy is best. But that's not what I want to wear at either end, I'm too old for it. Edit for typo and missing tex…
/r/MensRights08/06/13 03:43 PM
1

That doesn't stop it from getting caught in the spokes.
/r/MensRights08/06/13 03:28 PM
6

If you ride a bike they are the opposite of pragmatic, that's my problem.
/r/MensRights08/06/13 03:15 PM
11

Seen it a few times, it's always obnoxious.
/r/MensRights08/06/13 03:14 PM
13

Tampons are kind of awful. They hurt, they drip, they ride up or fall out, they can cause toxic shock (although I think it's rare), and they aren't very eco-conscious. And pads aren't much better.
/r/MensRights08/06/13 02:57 PM
0

I got the point but I had no witty replyl so I went somewhere else. Details: a rubber cup you you have to maneuver into your ladyparts 4 or 5 times a day in order to catch the flow, and then maneuver back out again to wash it.
/r/MensRights08/06/13 02:39 PM
-1

Not exactly a tampon, you don't even want to know the details I bet.
/r/MensRights08/06/13 02:33 PM
4

Wow, if they had "missing the point" as an Olympic sport, this one would take gold.
/r/MensRights08/06/13 11:18 AM
2

That review is hilarious. "oddly warm raw turkey".
/r/MensRights08/06/13 10:13 AM
11

And I would never ever in a million years exploit women I give you my Girl Scout word of honour on the Bible.
/r/MensRights08/06/13 09:44 AM
2

They are changing the definition of coercion I notice. Pretty soon bringing roses and chocolates will count as coercion I think.
/r/MensRights08/06/13 09:12 AM
1

I didn't think it was so bad because that is also sort of naturally how it is. It's not a time when there is much for men to do other than watch and worry. I thought the ending which shows him doing his bit was really übersweet. And the song is nice.
/r/MensRights08/06/13 09:10 AM
2

Judgybitch wrote a column about it. http://judgybitch.com/2013/06/07/attention-black-men-you-are-not-allowed-to-sing-songs-about-rape-white-men-feel-free-to-carry-on-la-dee-da-da-rapey-rape-la-la-la/
/r/MensRights08/06/13 09:02 AM
16

When you purchase a Diva cup you can be sure that the motives behind selling this product is strictly to benefit women and not to exploit them. Snake oil if I ever heard it.
/r/MensRights08/06/13 08:47 AM
8

Oh my god, that was hilarious. I'm still laughing.
/r/MensRights07/06/13 09:14 PM
0

It's obviously pretty sexist against men but I thought the end was funny when the chicks turned into cave women.
/r/MensRights07/06/13 08:30 PM
4

Congratulations, you are the stupidest person on reddit.
/r/MensRights07/06/13 08:02 PM
3

I would say that it is an MRM issue but it's a PR nightmare.
/r/MensRights07/06/13 04:13 PM
5

I just want you to know that I didn't downvote you, I think it's great if you like your body exactly as it is. It's just the larger principle I'm concerned about.
/r/MensRights07/06/13 04:00 PM
13

Personally i think women don't like sexual portrayals because its still a form of competition. I think you couldn't be more right. But then I think all of feminism is about eliminating sexual competition.
/r/MensRights07/06/13 10:46 AM
5

Please don't strain a muscle "reaching out", we don't need favours from feminists. If they would just stop lying about us we could get on with things very well, thanks.
/r/MensRights07/06/13 10:31 AM
11

I like my tattoo but that doesn't mean it should be legal for me to tattoo my child at birth.
/r/MensRights07/06/13 10:01 AM
1

Nothing will change the status dynamics of a group of men more like the attentions of an eligible female. Is that true? I had not noticed that, even when I was eligible. Maybe I just wasn't high status enough though.
/r/MensRights07/06/13 08:46 AM
4

I don't want to fight on FB but this is such bullshit, it does make me mad. I want to at least mention Valerie Solanas and Aileen Wournos.
/r/MensRights07/06/13 08:36 AM
2

Thus confirming once again that the secret goal of feminism is to drain all the joy out of life.
/r/MensRights07/06/13 08:07 AM
2

They don't exactly escalate, they always just start out full throttle. I still haven't understood why they bother. It might just be a recruitment tactic.
/r/MensRights07/06/13 07:46 AM
1

If you google you can read all the same "facts" I got, the online media is as good as it gets unless you get ahold of court documents. But I followed the case very closely so you would have to read all over the internet. It relates because it is another case of false accusers being supported by feminists even after being exposes as liars.
/r/MensRights07/06/13 06:37 AM
2

Citation for what exactly? If you google DSK and read for a few hours (which is what I did) you will probably read exactly what I read. Huffington post had it on the front page for a month. In the comments section you will find people pitching any number of hissy fits because he "got away with it".
/r/MensRights06/06/13 09:39 PM
4

When I was young it seemed like it would be about agency, responsibility, honour, strength, competence, etc. I'm sad that that is so not what it turned out to be about.
/r/MensRights06/06/13 05:46 PM
3

I thought that after DSK. After the prosecution had dropped the case - and you know they didn't want to, it was highly unpopular to do so and it made them look incompetent - because the accuser had been shown to lie about every single thing she had ever said about everything, and furthermore had been recorded telling her boyfriend in jail that she had hit the jackpot, and furthermore been seen taking male prostitution clients after she pressed charges on DSK....the feminists said that everybody …
/r/MensRights06/06/13 05:44 PM
1

She was a charmer all right.
/r/MensRights06/06/13 05:17 PM
1

I don't really know what you are talking about. I haven't called anyone hysterical for claiming feminists advocate anything. Have you mixed me up with someone else? Just to be absolutely crystal clear, I am not a feminist. I am absolutely 100% blood-and-bone anti-feminist and the only people I ever call hysterical is feminists.
/r/MensRights06/06/13 05:17 PM
2

Well if it's not a fundamental right then people should go to jail for it? Even if I wanted to live in that world (which I don't) I would still find it Orwellian to redefine cheating as rape.
/r/MensRights06/06/13 03:50 PM
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Or if you refuse to go out with a woman in the first place. Guys who haven't got laid in years are probably all rapists!
/r/MensRights06/06/13 03:48 PM
5

It's the exact concept that Shulamith Firestone put forth in her seminal and highly influential book 40 years ago. And which Heidi Hartmann (and a whole lot of other people) further developed. Of course when you bring it up modern feminists say those are the obsolete feminists, but I think feminism is still operating on the same rotten principles.
/r/MensRights06/06/13 03:45 PM
3

Totally not fake, unless Feministe is fake.
/r/MensRights06/06/13 02:27 PM
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All the text he pasted here is there.
/r/MensRights06/06/13 01:24 PM
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If infidelity can mean rape then oxymoron can mean any old thing they want. If fact it could mean rape. And that makes you a rape apologist.
/r/MensRights06/06/13 01:18 PM
1

That they get more hysterical and less rational every day.
/r/MensRights06/06/13 01:16 PM
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I wouldn't. I knew this was coming. If you want to know what the next big feminist push is going to be, you just have to read the Huffington Post comments section.
/r/MensRights06/06/13 12:27 PM
1

Oh well, it's just an opinion after all. I'm more interested in why all the commenters are getting so distraught over it. A lot of guilty consciences out there.
/r/MensRights06/06/13 12:02 PM
6

A self-identified feminist on here said yesterday that she (or possibly he) doesn't believe in patriarchy. So maybe that is changing.
/r/MensRights06/06/13 11:52 AM
4

What could they do about it?
/r/MensRights06/06/13 11:29 AM
4

I don't know which is worse, the brigading, or the coming here and pretending to be all friendly and inform us of things. I suppose I don't have to choose, I can have both.
/r/MensRights06/06/13 11:00 AM
6

I do find that suspicious.
/r/MensRights06/06/13 09:06 AM
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I think we're being heavily brigaded all the time, but there's no way to know who's doing it. It might not be OUR feminists.
/r/MensRights06/06/13 07:28 AM
2

Anyone can say anything anonymously online and call themselves MRA (or anything else) while doing it. Edit to add: Please look up Meg Lanker-Simons.
/r/MensRights06/06/13 05:49 AM
1

It's the strangest thing, it's like feminists believe that they actually are living under a Game of Thrones type patriarchy. I mean it also shows what makes patriarchy so attractive that many men will defend it, often with their own lives. Does anyone know anyone who would defend patriarchy with their own lives? I can't think of a single Western example (you might make a case for Muslim attacks being a defense of patriarchy - maybe) of anyone in decades defending patriarchy with their life. Edit…
/r/MensRights06/06/13 05:34 AM
1

They may have a twisted sense of justice built upon a sense of false victimhood from the “patriarchy” but they honestly believe that they are doing what is good and right. I think you could consider the possibility that this simply isn't true, or not entirely true. If you look at it as a supremacist movement - which I think there is good reason to do - rather than an equality movement, then it is not so straightforward to just assign good motives.
/r/MensRights06/06/13 05:28 AM
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It's the bullshittiest bullshit ever.
/r/MensRights06/06/13 05:12 AM
3

It sounds like it should be an interesting experience. Good luck.
/r/MensRights05/06/13 07:53 PM
1

I never thought of that. Probably because I don't have to.
/r/MensRights05/06/13 01:50 PM
1

Okay but where, the condom is not biodegradable and sperm lives for like 5 days doesn't it. Even if you charged through the nose it would still be cheaper than raising a kid. Edited for clarity
/r/MensRights05/06/13 12:22 PM
2

That was fun.
/r/MensRights05/06/13 12:13 PM
2

Although if I were a man I think I'd rather pay a plumber once a month even that get stuck with a wife and kid I don't want. At least with the plumber you don't get in-laws.
/r/MensRights05/06/13 12:09 PM
2

I have a big ole dose of Danish blood and right now I feel irrationally proud of it.
/r/MensRights05/06/13 12:02 PM
1

Mr. Lady Professor?
/r/MensRights05/06/13 11:35 AM
1

I can't understand at all why she is deluding herself that their response is essentially erotic - wishful thinking maybe. She even says she didn't dare go out after the Boston marathon. It's obvious that she is getting anti-Muslim sentiment, not anti-woman sentiment.
/r/MensRights05/06/13 07:23 AM
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They get confused. I have also heard radfems defend hijabs and say that all women should be forced to wear them.
/r/MensRights05/06/13 07:19 AM
1

That's funny because that doesn't normally happen. /s
/r/MensRights05/06/13 06:54 AM
1

Matriarachs are Byoootiful goddess creatures.
/r/MensRights05/06/13 05:16 AM
0

It seems pretty obvious that you are the one arguing in bad faith. I asked you at the beginning if you believed in patriarchy and you've been shuffling about ever since. Yes, that is the definition of patriarchy. And you are saying that you don't believe in it, finally. What took you so long? What's the problem? And why so hostile when I just asked a simple question? It's not really as hard to answer as you are pretending. I don't care if she was a 70s radfem. I said that I thought she defined i…
/r/MensRights05/06/13 05:02 AM
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I understand what patriarchy theory is meant to be. It isn't very different from one feminist writer to the next. I think Shulamith Firestone's is the most refined and straightforward version. But I've read dozens of those books and they all say essentially the same thing. I'm pretty sure you don't have to interrogate feminists and write down their replies to know whether you've ever met one who DOESN'T believe in patriarchy. I know I never have. I don't think asking Reddit will tell me whether …
/r/MensRights04/06/13 09:49 PM
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Thanks.
/r/MensRights04/06/13 09:45 PM
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I've never met a feminist who didn't believe in patriarchy. Have you?
/r/MensRights04/06/13 08:02 PM
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In this case for sure those who were conned, because they only gave her that money so she'd say what she says.
/r/MensRights04/06/13 07:23 PM
1

My god.
/r/MensRights04/06/13 07:07 PM
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My examples are related in the sense that these are all groups full of diverse kinds of people, like the MRM, and it doesn't make sense to insist that members of such groups behave well in order to make the entire group look good. Some dems are assholes, so are some women, so are some blacks. Nobody is required to be a credit to their group. That is tyranny.
/r/MensRights04/06/13 07:00 PM
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Everybody as a human being is responsible for their actions, but MRAs are no more responsible than anybody else, no. Should all Democrats act right so as to make Dems look good? All women? All Catholics? I think what's naive is thinking that acting "right" is going to help our cause in the slightest. Feminists know they are lying about us. Do you really think they'll stop if we suppress our anger?
/r/MensRights04/06/13 06:20 PM
1

I never was talking about Cathy Young. You said Academic feminism is useless and polarizing. I'd be happy to see it go away. It's in its own weird little world. The main difference between academic feminism and street feminism is that academic feminists are very explicit about patriarchy theory. So I was curious whether you were rejecting patriarchy theory. So I asked.
/r/MensRights04/06/13 06:12 PM
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I don't see why not. What's an "official" blog anyway? But originally EvilPundit was only talking about this subreddit, which is certainly not official, I don't see how it would be anyway.
/r/MensRights04/06/13 06:09 PM
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She represents someone who is being held responsible for the stereotypes others choose to impose on her. It's not her job to "act right" so as to deflect those stereotypes.
/r/MensRights04/06/13 05:20 PM
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Perhaps I have misunderstood you from the start, because that was MY point.
/r/MensRights04/06/13 05:19 PM
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If you mean the SPLC, they never did list us as a hate group. They back pedalled when they were called on it. But you know, people can call people anything they want. I mean, lots of groups are stuck with nasty stereotypes. I remember sitting on a train in London once, and a black rasta type was chewing out his little daughter, maybe 8 or 9, for getting a bad grade. He kept berating her over and over, saying "you have to be better than everybody else because you're black and you won't ever get a…
/r/MensRights04/06/13 04:01 PM
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Yes, my real interest is in trying to find if even one feminist who says NAFALT doesn't believe in patriarchy.
/r/MensRights04/06/13 03:56 PM
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I don't think it's a good or a bad idea. I don't think it's counter-productive, for the reasons that I have said. Being "nice" will not make them like us any better, because they know that the threat is not just stylistic, it's fundamental. And suppressing our expression of anger really just does their work for them.
/r/MensRights04/06/13 03:43 PM
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I'm a lady, well, a woman anyway. I really don't think it is wishful thinking. Nobody likes to be mocked because it is very diminishing. In fact that is why feminists do it so obsessively to men, in order to diminish them.
/r/MensRights04/06/13 03:40 PM
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Yes, I did think that. Sorry! I guess it shouldn't matter, we should be able to disagree on the issue regardless of our gender.
/r/MensRights04/06/13 02:51 PM
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They criticize because they are terrified of it. They know that even a small bit of mockery is like the little boy telling the Emperor he has no clothes. The whole edifice will come tumbling down if people start to laugh at them.
/r/MensRights04/06/13 02:48 PM
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Money was never in the picture for the guys I'm talking about. They did have a lot of confidence though, so maybe that was it.
/r/MensRights04/06/13 02:45 PM
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I never know whether to laugh or start shouting curses. These people have mush for brains but it doesn't mean they are harmless.
/r/MensRights04/06/13 12:15 PM
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You said very clearly that though it is only for some, it hurts us all. I don't see how that could be interpreted as anything else but taking personally what is not meant personally.
/r/MensRights04/06/13 12:12 PM
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If it's not directed at you why take it personally? If it is directed at you, why should I (a woman) take it personally?
/r/MensRights04/06/13 12:02 PM
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I really do think they've got the basic problem figured out. I think that men's problem really is feminism. No feminism, no MRM. It's feminism that constantly works against men's legal rights. Men could deal with their evolutionary burden of disposability (as women must deal with their evolutionary burden of motherhood). If only feminists weren't around always kicking them in the balls just for being men, and trying to get all their girlfriends to do it too . I will look at that book. It sounds …
/r/MensRights04/06/13 11:41 AM
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Actually it was his choice of word, in his original post. I would guess that I am being downvoted by feminists who don't like me sympathising with someone who calls himself a patriarch.
/r/MensRights04/06/13 11:13 AM
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I think that second paragraph applies far, far more to feminists than to MRAs at this point. But I do see some ego drama around here too, for sure.
/r/MensRights04/06/13 10:43 AM
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It's true, that worked very well on Sara Palin. Tina Fey destroyed her political career with mockery.
/r/MensRights04/06/13 10:26 AM
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I don't think so. The people here who are rudest to feminists aren't trolls.
/r/MensRights04/06/13 10:23 AM
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I think those in the MHRM have a siege mentality because they are under siege. It's not paranoia if people really are out to get you.
/r/MensRights04/06/13 10:19 AM
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I disagree that the MRM is following the Republican strategy, that's all. I don't see any comparison there at all. I said that we have very good debaters because I think we have enough good debaters to serve as role models, and everybody doesn't have to serve as a role model.
/r/MensRights04/06/13 09:49 AM
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Course you do, that's where I heard it. Not that it's any different anywhere else.
/r/MensRights04/06/13 09:23 AM
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We have very good debaters, especially including Evil Pundit. I really disagree with your last sentence.
/r/MensRights04/06/13 09:22 AM
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I'm not claiming that about you in particular. I'm claiming that of feminism as an ideological movement. And it has always been so. You never heard a woman talk about testosterone poisoning?
/r/MensRights04/06/13 08:59 AM
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I know that no true scotsman is a logical fallacy, but it doesn't actually apply to what I said. Patriarchy theory isn't my generalisation, it is the core tenet of feminism. If I meet even one feminist who says they don't believe in it, I will change my mind.
/r/MensRights04/06/13 08:55 AM
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Patriarchy is a social system in which society is organized around male authority figures. In this system fathers have authority over women, children, and property. It implies the institutions of male rule and privilege, and is dependent on female subordination.[184] Most forms of feminism characterize patriarchy as an unjust social system that is oppressive to women. Right, just what I said. It's the core tenet of feminism. Since I think it is clearly untrue, and certainly unproveable, it leave…
/r/MensRights04/06/13 08:54 AM
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If I went and found the links and posted them, you would say they don't count, or there aren't enough of them to convince you, or that Not All Feminists Are Like That. I'm not playing that game anymore.
/r/MensRights04/06/13 08:50 AM
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But not all people can do that! I don't want them excluded.
/r/MensRights04/06/13 08:49 AM
2

Then why is normal masculinity being positioned as "hyper-masculinity"?
/r/MensRights04/06/13 08:29 AM
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Patriarchy is a term used to define a socio-political structure, People here aren't as simple-minded as you seem to think. We all know that Patriarchy as feminists use it is meant to define a socio-political structure. But what socio-political structure? One in which men are defined as an oppressive overclass while women get defined as an oppressed underclass. It doesn't matter how you slip-slide around trying to redefine individual words, Patriarchy Theory always comes back to some version of t…
/r/MensRights04/06/13 08:21 AM
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I am very conflicted about this. I think the MRM should be as inclusive and welcoming as it can possibly be. Trying to get men to be good, obedient, tame etc is something men experience every minute of every day It seems to me that the MRM should not do that. Anger of the cursing kind still has a lot of energy, and any start-up movement needs that energy. We don't need to be acceptable to feminists. They may not be intelligent but they are shrewd enough to know that the MRM is a threat to them w…
/r/MensRights04/06/13 07:46 AM
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Poor guy. He had this fantasy of himself as a generous patriarch but they weren't playing by the same rules.
/r/MensRights04/06/13 07:30 AM
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If you're not trying to be accepted as a feminist-MRA why do you call No True Scotsman when I say that there is no such thing?
/r/MensRights04/06/13 07:28 AM
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No but you are trying to get people to accept you as a feminist-MRA. YI got your implication that I am somehow simple-minded for not entering your convolutions, but I prefer to think of myself as cutting through the bullshit. The fact is, you either do believe in Patriarchy, or you don't believe in Patriarchy, or you do anddon't believe Patriarchy, or you refuse to say. Right now you seem stuck in "refuse to say".
/r/MensRights04/06/13 06:36 AM
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I was a already a bucket of mush because of the teen suicide, but I thought that was pretty moving.
/r/MensRights04/06/13 06:09 AM
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We all know that facts and science are anti-feminist. It must be their biggest difficulty with getting more feminists into STEM fields.
/r/MensRights04/06/13 05:51 AM
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Because the starting point of feminism is Patriarchy. Now you're trying to turn it into Schroedinger's Patriarchy, which some given feminist may or may not believe in, in a given discussion. But it's always there in the wings. And the starting point of the MRM is that there is no patriarchy. You will not find an MRA who believes in patriarchy, I think, except maybe one of the chimerical Feminist-MRAs. And no one is fooled by them, as far as I can tell.
/r/MensRights04/06/13 05:45 AM
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I'm never really sure what an alpha is though. Most of the men I've been really bowled over by have not been alpha in the looks department, that's for sure.
/r/MensRights04/06/13 05:40 AM
0

Never saying what all feminists are like makes it so much easier to say Not All Feminists are Like That. I think MRAs are too smart to fall for it though.
/r/MensRights04/06/13 05:01 AM
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It seems kind of sad. I can well imagine that she got recruited by some gender studies feminist professor back at college, in her early 20s, when she didn't know what the fuck to do with her life. And now she's going crazy with loneliness but can't do anything about it, it's too late, her whole life revolves around it, and also she'd lose too much face.
/r/MensRights03/06/13 08:57 PM
1

So are you saying you don't know if we live in a patriarchy? I mean your answer could be seen as diplomatic, but it could also be seen as evasive.
/r/MensRights03/06/13 08:48 PM
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After Amanda Markotic wrote her "Fuck you MRAs" article in Jezebel I didn't feel any more compunction about calling feminists nasty names. But I usually don't bother, it doesn't make me feel any better. Any real feminist is a truly unhappy person, and that is enough for me to be going on with.
/r/MensRights03/06/13 08:27 PM
3

Then you haven't really read on here very much at all. Maybe only this thread?
/r/MensRights03/06/13 07:47 PM
1

So you are a feminist who doesn't believe in patriarchy?
/r/MensRights03/06/13 07:43 PM
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She wants a man who can stand up to her brattiness, but not too much. He has to stand up to her brattiness exactly the right amount. Too little is a turn-off, too much is a threat. I'm not surprised she is afraid of dying alone. It seems very likely that she will.
/r/MensRights03/06/13 07:29 PM
0

Aaaaahhh. That really makes a lot of sense. Although I do remember my dad talking about Micky Finns when I was a kid (60s).
/r/MensRights03/06/13 01:42 PM
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I always assumed they were at his place. Otherwise persuading her to stay wouldn't really bring much joy. If it's not alcohol we're back to the drug implication, don't you think? Under the circumstances she's not likely to be asking if it's Ovaltine.
/r/MensRights03/06/13 12:50 PM
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Oh right. I always assumed that just referred to what kind of alcohol.
/r/MensRights03/06/13 09:08 AM
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How is that about date rape? She's considering the whole time whether or not it's worth it to her to get in social trouble for staying. Nothing about force, all about choice.
/r/MensRights03/06/13 08:44 AM
1

Sometimes I wish I could give double or triple upvotes.
/r/MensRights03/06/13 08:00 AM
2

But some feminist ideologues seem determined to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. To me that perfectly sums up all of feminism in America today.
/r/MensRights03/06/13 07:59 AM
1

Nobody actually read the article, I guess. Interesting flashback, and demonstrates exactly how feminists think about women. As I always say, no one thinks less of women than feminists do.
/r/MensRights03/06/13 07:36 AM
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So what do you make of all the women who do kill men, and cut off their penises, and set their beds afire while they sleep, and wreck their cars, and run over them and their girlfriends, and kill their boyfriend's kids, and hire someone to whack their boyfriens, not to mention the endless stream of false abuse accusations that basically amount to proxy violence by throwing men into a system that will be physically violent towards them. How many do examples do there have to be before they stop be…
/r/MensRights03/06/13 07:01 AM
5

That poor poor woman, people contstantly disagreeing with discriminating against her.
/r/MensRights03/06/13 06:12 AM
2

Except I've seen people using the word "coercion" to apply to begging and pleading and just going on about. They are trying to shift the connotation to any kind of pressure rather than just threat pressure, which is what coercion is.
/r/MensRights03/06/13 05:56 AM
3

He says a lot of controversial things, all padded in "I'm just a man so what do I know". I wonder if the shit is really going to hit the fan about this, or if it's going to just sink out of sight.
/r/MensRights03/06/13 05:34 AM
1

Agree.
/r/MensRights02/06/13 09:53 PM
5

So now the feminists are using Earl Silverman's suicide to sling more shit at the MRM? Diabolical, but I guess predictable. Must be a strange feeling to have no ethics at all and feel free to say absolutely anything you like without regard for truth or any human feeling. I feel very disgusted by this.
/r/MensRights02/06/13 04:28 PM
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Do we have anyone in America who speaks up as clearly and steadily as this? But I suppose no one would ever get a chance anway.
/r/MensRights02/06/13 03:57 PM
5

Some non-academic feminists may say they just want equality for women. I've never seen one disavow patriarchy theory, but maybe it could happen. If you can find a feminist academic that doesn't believe in patriarchy, I would be very interested to hear who that is.
/r/MensRights02/06/13 11:28 AM
1

He makes several very good points.
/r/MensRights01/06/13 09:16 PM
2

Judgybitch wrote a funny blog about this one.
/r/MensRights01/06/13 08:59 PM
1

You can't convince anybody of anything they don't want to be convinced of. If you want to make people think you are better off asking them questions than telling them things. You could ask them how they know these statistics, where they found them, how they were arrived at.
/r/MensRights01/06/13 08:58 PM
1

I put it in the same category as earth being destroyed by a meteor. It could happen but I'm not expecting it to.
/r/MensRights01/06/13 08:16 PM
4

I wish this could just be linked in the sidebar.
/r/MensRights01/06/13 08:14 PM
1

Interesting.
/r/MensRights01/06/13 08:06 PM
0

Her point wasn't that he was trying to be funny about a serious subject, but that he was indulging his fantasies to the reading public and getting off on it. I think what this demonstrates is that if there is anything a feminist hates more than women, it's a feminist male.
/r/MensRights01/06/13 10:03 AM
3

Yes because feminists would like us so much better if we were the "friendly neighborhood MRA". The might treat us almost as well as they treat male feminists and female wrong-kind-of-feminists. /s
/r/MensRights01/06/13 09:29 AM
0

You got caught up in an awful mess, it sounds like. A little guilt might make you into a better person, but too much is just making yourself overly important. The fact is, you were really little and they were the ones in charge and behaving badly. Just leave it with them and get on with your life. I do think you could get in touch with your dad and see if you can make peace with him. It's always better if you can have a relationship with both parents.
/r/MensRights31/05/13 08:15 PM
3

I really think that was her actual argument.
/r/MensRights31/05/13 07:46 PM
2

Rejection can be wounding, but I don't see how it's violent. I've been not loved back by someone I wanted to love me back. That is a wound I've carried with me all my life, but I would never say that he was emotionally violent to me. He just didn't love me.
/r/MensRights31/05/13 02:59 PM
4

The comments are always good for raising my blood pressure a few points.
/r/MensRights31/05/13 02:45 PM
3

If our political system were in reality an “imperialist white-supremacist capitalist patriarchy” , women and non-whites would not be allowed to vote.
/r/MensRights31/05/13 02:16 PM
1

I don't believe in it at all, any more than I believe in patriarchy. I think it's been designed by feminists to make men feel perpetually guilty about their lust.
/r/MensRights31/05/13 12:39 PM
2

That's what I was thinking. And feminists hate whores, they ruin the whole strategy.
/r/MensRights31/05/13 11:26 AM
4

Last Saturday I was reading the Daily Mail and found myself sickened even by the normal standards that a human and a man finds himself upon reading that femiservative exploitative rag (which now has strong links with the men’s human rights movement). The bit I put into italics has me slightly confused though.
/r/MensRights31/05/13 11:20 AM
3

That's a good idea.
/r/MensRights31/05/13 10:41 AM
1

Common knowledge is a hard one to go up against. People just hate to have common knowledge challenged. Almost everybody runs into a turning point with their parents, where they realise they are going to have to take a different path, if they want to honor their own authenticity. It's totally okay for you and your parents to have different beliefs, and for you to think that theirs are wrong and kind of stupid. That's normal.
/r/MensRights31/05/13 10:35 AM
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I know, I haven't done a SINGLE one of those things for years and years. I'll wear a bra if it's absolutely essential to keep the nips hidden for some reason but that doesn't happen but once a year. Periods can be quite inconvenient. I will give her that much. I thought the hair tie one was hilarious though because it's like this is how hard she has to work to find things to complain about. I mean please. Go live in a Dafurian refugee camp for a week, then make your list.
/r/MensRights31/05/13 06:59 AM
1

Sheryl Sandberg has used feminist networks to promote her book and organization, Did she really? I'd like to see some backup for that statement. It seems to me she used mainstream networks and then the feminist networks gave her a bunch of free left-handed publicity by piling on to criticize Sandberg for being the wrong kind of successful woman.
/r/MensRights31/05/13 06:37 AM
3

I've read it twice and I can't find her saying that sexual rejection is emotional violence. She says it is a very wounding thing to do. Do you disagree?
/r/MensRights30/05/13 09:40 PM
2

You don't have to choose between dumping her completely or rescuing her. You can stick around but let her solve her own problems. Your white knighting has already gotten you in trouble and I doubt it's helping her as much as you think. You may see her as a helpless little thing but she's known her mother for 17 years and probably does know how to handle her. You do have to watch out because no matter how insane mothers seem, daughters tend to be more loyal than seems reasonable or likely. Edit f…
/r/MensRights30/05/13 09:35 PM
6

Horrible. I feel he's on the verge of gouging out his eyes or cutting off his penis. Or both.
/r/MensRights30/05/13 08:38 PM
22

in which a woman - aged 28-85 - is required to stand naked in front of fully-clothed men and to remain silent as those men talk about her body. You would really think, to hear her tell it, that women are being swept off the streets and forced to undress in front of these men. Really, feminists get ever weirder.
/r/MensRights30/05/13 05:33 PM
1

Men have far fewer reproductive rights than women. Men as rape victims are practically invisible. Did you know that in the military there are more male rape victims than female? Do you see anybody talking about that? And people cheer at the idea of male prison rape. NO feminist has spoken up against that. There are a number of professions where men cannot enter at all for fear of ending up in prison on false pedo charges. Here's a man who is destroyed for taking pictures of his children. http://…
/r/MensRights30/05/13 03:23 PM
1

That seems to be the strategy so far.
/r/MensRights30/05/13 02:15 PM
5

It's about how the Turks (centuries ago) stole children from their colonies and raised them at court, essentially (or maybe even literally) as court eunuchs. Psychologically this created a situation where all of the janissary's identity and self-worth was in their utility to their masters - otherwise they would be part of a defeated, shamed and oppressed underclass. They were essentially brainwashed from childhood on and could not concieve of rebellion, and therefore could be so thoroughly trust…
/r/MensRights30/05/13 01:54 PM
3

I don't think so one little bit.
/r/MensRights30/05/13 01:18 PM
6

Depressing.
/r/MensRights30/05/13 12:50 PM
5

It's sad, though, because one of the most pressing biological drives and one of the most fulfilling experiences in life is to make a family and pass on life. Feminism is making that impossible for everybody, men and women.
/r/MensRights30/05/13 09:28 AM
6

I was surprised actually but then I found out SRS is mostly men and noticed that some of my worst online arguments about this are with men. I think Typhon Blue is right with her janissary theory.
/r/MensRights30/05/13 07:14 AM
7

Maybe not.
/r/MensRights30/05/13 06:03 AM
4

I'm very strategic. I only talk to men who I already know will at least not get upset, even if they think I'm kind of wierd to care (because I'm female). With women friends I bide my time and wait for a moment when feminism is harming them, then I give a little shove and back off. It seems to work pretty well. My worst experience has been a gay male friend of mine who picked up the direction I was going and is now ignoring me completely.
/r/MensRights30/05/13 05:58 AM
2

KillAllMen is a real hash tag and real man-hating feminists post to it, but if that particular poster isn't an MRA troll, then I'm a banana.
/r/MensRights30/05/13 05:52 AM
3

They don't know what to do with female MRAs, it's very troubling for them I think. If they could pretend we were all tradcons they'd be a lot more comfortable, but they can't because all the really high profile female MRAs are visibly not tradcons. I'm waiting to see how they solve the problem.
/r/MensRights30/05/13 05:49 AM
1

It not only happened, well-known feminists campaigned for her to not be punished. They threatened to castrate other men if she went to jail. Can you imagine men protesting the jailing of a rapist, threatening to rape other women if it happened?
/r/MensRights30/05/13 05:42 AM
0

Oh it's not just that. I remember a girl who got raped on the playground when I was young (13). She did not dress provocatively and she was not a sexy girl at all in fact. She was rather immature for her age and Catholic so she may not even have known about sex. She just happened to be on the playground with a couple of slightly older boys and got raped. After she got raped it was a gang of GIRLS who slut shamed her mercilessly. It was disgusting. I have never trusted girls since. They can be st…
/r/MensRights29/05/13 08:41 PM
9

Neither alimony nor custody discussions are central to current feminist theory or current feminist pop cultural discussions. Thereis no ideological feminist commitment to either of these discussions in the way there is to, say, abortion rights, or workplace equity. Isn't this untrue? Didn't someone on here say that NOW is actually explicity and violently battling shared custody?
/r/MensRights29/05/13 08:36 PM
-6

Always has been women, always will be women.
/r/MensRights29/05/13 08:05 PM
1

Good one.
/r/MensRights29/05/13 08:03 PM
5

Imagine if it said "This is JOhn, he likes his women completely hairless."
/r/MensRights29/05/13 07:13 PM
4

What country do you live in, if I may ask?
/r/MensRights29/05/13 07:12 PM
2

We could all use a laugh, couldn't we?
/r/MensRights29/05/13 04:29 PM
1

INspiring.
/r/MensRights29/05/13 04:16 PM
4

I think that's right. I'm thinking of converting to Catholicism just because it's the last line of defense against feminism. I'm just not sure if they let agnostics be Catholics. It seems unlikely. I suppose I could lie.
/r/MensRights29/05/13 03:38 PM
2

I know what it's meant to mean. I understand the theory. It's just that when I think about, it seems to me an empty concept. Except, as you say, for the 2% of the population that is miswired completely.
/r/MensRights29/05/13 03:36 PM
2

I don't really know what objectification means when I think about it, though I've been hearing the term for 30 years. It seems to me that either everybody who ever looks at an image or has a fantasy is obejctifying, or else objectifying isn't really a thing.
/r/MensRights29/05/13 01:26 PM
1

I've introjected it at least half a dozen times that I know of.
/r/MensRights29/05/13 01:11 PM
2

I don't know. Probably because it's incredibly hard work and highly risky. What is the percentage of start-ups that fail, like 98%?
/r/MensRights29/05/13 12:17 PM
3

I find it believable, but amazing. It's like Kafka's Trial. How long can things go on like this? It doesn't seem tenable.
/r/MensRights29/05/13 09:18 AM
1

Yeah Greece is truly fucked right now economically. If you have tons of money though maybe that wouldn't matter. I just always had the impression that although the women are strong, so are the men. Plus I have a soft spot for Crete, especially Hania.
/r/MensRights29/05/13 09:04 AM
6

I think if I were a man with money I would move to Greece.
/r/MensRights28/05/13 09:40 PM
6

So all the women who are reading relationship advice columns by men, presumably because they are hoping to get the skinny on men, should....what? Just go fuck themselves?
/r/MensRights28/05/13 08:35 PM
1

You have my deepest sympathy. The situation is nearly impossible and I have no idea what I would do if I were, particularly as I would not be willing to have an abortion. It's very unlucky. I will say that if it turns out to be a near miss, you should split up with him. People who aren't on the same page about children can't stay together, there's no use trying. I've seen people do it and it's lifelong misery and resentment and guilt and punishment.
/r/MensRights28/05/13 08:31 PM
6

Horrendous.
/r/MensRights28/05/13 08:20 PM
2

Patriarchy won't let them.
/r/MensRights28/05/13 05:27 PM
2

I so want to, but I won't.
/r/MensRights28/05/13 11:38 AM
8

Which would be worse I wonder: finding out they talk smack about women, or finding out they don't talk about women at all?
/r/MensRights28/05/13 11:33 AM
2

I enjoyed the article. I find the whole equality argument tends to fall apart anyway when you switch the genders and say men are also equal to women, they get very upset. You'll see feminists saying "Feminists are for equality and women's rights, and women are biologically superior to men, men suck." Well that's not going to fool anyone but other feminists. Do I have to do something special to find your blog? Edit: Never mind, I understand now.
/r/MensRights28/05/13 05:55 AM
11

All the while, I felt a bit of a fraud – because I knew I was indulging my needs. Despite the case that others may make, my kids would have been fine without me. She knows the research contradicts this but manages to dismiss it with the merest wave of the hand.
/r/MensRights27/05/13 07:32 PM
12

Another feminist exploiting her children to whore for attention.
/r/MensRights27/05/13 06:23 PM
0

What about a news aggregator like Huffington Post, but not strangled by lefty feminism? Although that's more like a business than a charity.
/r/MensRights27/05/13 06:14 PM
3

HIgh order sarcasm, and right on target.
/r/MensRights27/05/13 06:10 PM
1

That was horrible on so many levels and in so many ways.
/r/MensRights27/05/13 05:34 PM
2

I think that probably the consequences for men of the "one-child" policy will far outstrip the consequences of American female gender selection for women, in every way. Thirty million men with no wives, and many of them with emotionally incestuous mothers? I believe the consequences will make history. There certainly will be consequences for these girls though. What if they are the wrong kind of girl? What if they really love violence, footie and camping? What will these women do if the girls ar…
/r/MensRights27/05/13 11:43 AM
1

Because only shitlords assume that it's the woman who shops.
/r/MensRights27/05/13 11:35 AM
1

Why not? You can make a law against it, and then people who do it would be breaking the law.
/r/MensRights27/05/13 09:29 AM
-2

She does have a point though, self-serving though it may be.
/r/MensRights27/05/13 09:28 AM
4

That's what I think. They can't admit that though or it would give the game away, so they talk about about how bad boys are. Edit for typo
/r/MensRights27/05/13 09:28 AM
6

It's very hypocritical though. Feminists have been outraged about sex-selection against females for a long time. It's a sign of patriarchy doncha know.
/r/MensRights27/05/13 09:25 AM
1

I wonder how these 30-year-old educated upper/middle (and most likely white although it isn't mentioned) ladies are going to feel when the only men available for their daughters to marry are Indians and Asians and lower/middle men? Intersectional I hope.
/r/MensRights27/05/13 09:22 AM
0

There would be outrage if it were for wives. But then they get outraged about absolutely everything so I am not sure it's really a meaningful comparison.
/r/MensRights27/05/13 07:35 AM
5

Official Monster Raving Loony Party.
/r/MensRights27/05/13 06:49 AM
1

Maybe you should watch Midnight Cowboy first.
/r/MensRights26/05/13 06:57 PM
1

Well why not.
/r/MensRights26/05/13 06:16 PM
1

My experience is that there is some truth in it. Well I think there must be, many women actually do become prostitutes so there is no reason to disbelieve it, is there. But I've known non-prostitute women who had it as a fantasy.
/r/MensRights26/05/13 04:25 PM
3

I went to gonewild the other day to see what it was about, and I was confused. This article says it's amateur porn but at least half the girls I saw look like pros to me, and I wondered why they go to the trouble for no money? The girls that aren't pros I understand even less. Most of them have quite pretty bodies, so why bother with attention from a bunch of people on the internet? Why not go on out and get some attention in real life? Is it just a fetish? As far as the article is concerned, it…
/r/MensRights26/05/13 10:52 AM
6

Even if she never sees a man at all and only reads Huffington Lost women's page, she grew up with brothers and a father. It takes brainwashing and effort to ignore that kind of experience. I loved her though, I'd love to hang out with her.
/r/MensRights26/05/13 09:02 AM
3

If you can get a creative legal revenge, I can't see why you shouldn't. And...life tends to balance things out regardless of what we do. Just my experience.
/r/MensRights25/05/13 09:37 PM
9

She seems like a really special person. It makes me sad though that she was so surprised that men are nice. Seems like these people really live in a brainwashed bubble.
/r/MensRights25/05/13 09:04 PM
7

Anti-feminist =/= misogynistic.
/r/MensRights25/05/13 07:36 PM
1

Ah. That is a bit much. Shocking that this lie is being propogated by so many people. Feminists have no ethics though, I knew that.
/r/MensRights25/05/13 06:19 PM
2

His book looks interesting, I'm going to buy it.
/r/MensRights25/05/13 01:44 PM
3

I really don't understand why they are equating visual reaction time with intelligence. Surely it has more to do with worsening vision?
/r/MensRights25/05/13 01:40 PM
2

I really think 17-14 shouldn't be illegal, even though I don't find it ideal. I would rather see the law changed, but as it stands, I want to see equal sentencing.
/r/MensRights25/05/13 11:39 AM
2

If she cheated a lot, yeah you should be nervous. If you're just talking about sleeping around a lot when she was single, that is different. But then, I sleep around a lot when I'm single, and I'm perfectly faithful when I'm in a relationship. So I would say that, wouldn't I? It's okay, though, to just want what you want in a partner, and it's okay if what you want is someone who hasn't got a lot of previous partners and two kids. You don't have to judge yourself for your needs, or her for not l…
/r/MensRights25/05/13 10:40 AM
1

I loved Red Skelton when I was a kid.
/r/MensRights25/05/13 10:32 AM
0

Special interest groups are motivated by self-interest, for sure. Political and social change doesn't occur because selfish exploiters suddenly see the error of their ways. It occurs because they suddenly realise they don't really have a choice. If a flaming feminist like Peggy Drexler is writing an article like this, it's because she felt she must. That is interesting.
/r/MensRights25/05/13 07:37 AM
2

Well, you're a lawyer so you probably have a better idea than I do of what people can actually do about it. It seems to me that in the current rape accusation culture, men are very vulnerable to terrible repercussions if you try to stand up for yourselves.
/r/MensRights24/05/13 10:10 PM
2

It's just hard to see what other choice they've got, besides simply boycotting higher education. I would love to see that happen, I think it would have a big effect quite quickly. But how realistic is it to hope for something like that. The system has become Kafka-esque.
/r/MensRights24/05/13 09:07 PM
6

Doesn't it just make you want to vomit.
/r/MensRights24/05/13 05:48 PM
35

Sometimes I wonder why they don't give a shit how bad they make feminism look.
/r/MensRights24/05/13 03:40 PM
3

Please, give a warning when it's Amanda Marcotte so I can go in with a Hazmat suit. God she's slimy.
/r/MensRights24/05/13 03:38 PM
3

shifty
/r/MensRights24/05/13 03:28 PM
10

Wow, that blonde chick is hilariously incoherent. "My VAGINA is a room! And if you can't fill that room, forget it. We aren't going to IKEA and buy a shelf to put in my room."
/r/MensRights24/05/13 03:08 PM
1

YES! I mean, ALADEEN!
/r/MensRights24/05/13 02:42 PM
6

Does the same go for if HE is drunk or underage?
/r/MensRights24/05/13 02:32 PM
18

This woman is a total feminist, and it shows in this article as per usual, but I think it's interesting that they are starting to feel the need to say something about the issue.
/r/MensRights24/05/13 02:03 PM
0

14 is not pedophilia.
/r/MensRights24/05/13 10:09 AM
2

I think it has, by pitting men and women against each other. At poverty level, survival is a matter of teamwork and family loyalty. Feminism has done it's best to destroy that between men and women.
/r/MensRights24/05/13 06:29 AM
5

They won't be happy till every well-known and loved male character is gender flipped.
/r/MensRights23/05/13 09:32 PM
1

My point was more, we don't decide what a crime is just according to who is hurt. Otherwise, why put people in jail when they get caught trying to hire someone to wack their spouse, but they didn't get away with it? We consider intention.
/r/MensRights23/05/13 07:07 PM
8

Wow, I admire the person who can read those books and report back. I used to read them when I was young and now even the thought of it makes me nauseated.
/r/MensRights23/05/13 01:26 PM
1

I noticed years ago in philosophy class that the people who think necrophilia should be legal find it very difficult to achieve any common ground with those who don't.
/r/MensRights23/05/13 12:33 PM
1

So do you think necrophilia should be legal?
/r/MensRights23/05/13 12:17 PM
1

If you get held up and get your wallet taken, but you're very rich and the thief hypnotises you afterwards so you don't remember, is that still a crime? I don't think rape falls into the same category as porn and environmental exploitation.
/r/MensRights23/05/13 11:58 AM
2

Thanks. Is there a prize for that?
/r/MensRights23/05/13 11:21 AM
2

I don't think you can separate the two because you wouldn't need the MRM at all without feminism at this point. It is feminists who have worked and continue working tirelessly to reduce men's rights.
/r/MensRights23/05/13 08:49 AM
0

You mean she is a troll? I find that possible.
/r/MensRights23/05/13 08:27 AM
1

If that was sarcasm you need the /s, I'm too thick to get it. If it wasn't sarcasm, well...you're welcome.
/r/MensRights23/05/13 07:42 AM
19

I think the "thoughts" that go through her head are something like "wheeeee klonk whoops gurgurgurgurgur zzzzzzzzzzippppy arggghhhh waaahhhhh"
/r/MensRights23/05/13 07:40 AM
3

I think feminism is deeply androcentric. Anybody who spends that much time thinking and talking about how awful men are must be profoundly drawn to and fascinated by them. Edited to fix misspelling
/r/MensRights23/05/13 06:46 AM
2

I happen to agree, but but the financial abortion argument is based on other premises.
/r/MensRights23/05/13 05:51 AM
1

it's not a separate issue at all. if the purpose of child support laws are for the "betterment of a child," then allowing abortion is inconsistent. You are basing your argument on the assumption that the fetus is a child and abortion is killing it. Then financial abortion is not equivalent because not supporting a child is not the same as killing a child.
/r/MensRights23/05/13 05:44 AM
137

This girl is sending a man to jail eventually, it's only a matter of time.
/r/MensRights23/05/13 04:57 AM
2

No, there are no thoughts there that I can see. Just platitudes.
/r/MensRights23/05/13 04:50 AM
1

I don't think the take-away from what I'm saying is advocating for men to playfully punch and slap women. But if you call me wierd I don't you are interested in either what I said before, or any further dialogue. Edit to fix typo
/r/MensRights22/05/13 01:17 PM
1

Well I don't think anyone should hit anyone, because that's not how I roll (anymore) but I also don't think that if a man hits a woman lightly he should go to prison. Personally I think you have to leave a little room for rough and tumble on both sides, because sometimes people like that. Both sides have to learn to say what they want and set boundaries. Intimate relationships aren't black and white.
/r/MensRights22/05/13 12:47 PM
-9

Right. Because this chick is VERY likely to write an adventure novel series and feminism will stop her publisher from thinking about the best way to sell it. I remember when feminism at least valued intelligent women. Now it seems to have as its sole aim making women as stupid as possible.
/r/MensRights22/05/13 11:34 AM
1

Thanks
/r/MensRights22/05/13 11:30 AM
1

And it always was.
/r/MensRights22/05/13 10:48 AM
1

I loved that.
/r/MensRights22/05/13 10:48 AM
2

Parents tell you a lot of things, mostly (if they aren't crazy) out of good intentions. Growing up means looking around and seeing what you yourself think it's true. I was raised to totally believe that men want ONLY one thing. At a certain point I realised that was just not at all what I was experiencing. Quite the opposite. Every man I met was yearning for love and commitment - even the married ones. Over my 40 years of sleeping around and marrying, I have rarely even met a player. My pheromon…
/r/MensRights22/05/13 10:41 AM
1

I think if you go to COTWA you might get links.
/r/MensRights22/05/13 09:11 AM
1

I'm not sure if you are for real or not, but I will add something. When I was young I used to punch men in the arm and then I was very surprised when they objected. I couldn't understand it. They were so much bigger and stronger than I was, how could anything little me did hurt them. I was kind of a slow learner but I eventually grew up and managed to take it in. If she is not deliberately trying to hurt you (and you should be able to read that) then it is still a sign of immaturity and/or inabi…
/r/MensRights22/05/13 07:06 AM
1

Would it be okay for you if I occasionally used parts of it in online arguments?
/r/MensRights22/05/13 05:14 AM
1

I noticed that one. Like the entire fashion industry isn't run by women fashion fascists. Like women aren't the most judgemental of each other on every single count, whether it's hair or housework. I guess it's because they have introjected patriarchal values? Uh-huh.
/r/MensRights22/05/13 05:11 AM
9

What is wrong with these people? They always make the same arguments and the arguments always sound fake, and always in the same way. Like...they really aren't connecting to what their saying, just listening to it from a distance. I actually always end up feeling sorry for them.
/r/MensRights21/05/13 08:43 PM
1

You really are right. If it had been male on female there would have been more outrage.
/r/MensRights21/05/13 06:36 PM
2

Your point seems completely obvious to me. If her invention was more exciting than his, why didn't she win?
/r/MensRights21/05/13 06:32 PM
2

Just out of curiosity, why do you think he won first prize if his thing is no big deal?
/r/MensRights21/05/13 06:31 PM
2

Well I see articles about it every day. I just think this smells of troll.
/r/MensRights21/05/13 06:29 PM
7

Well, you know why, it's because a superfast smartphone charger is vastly more interesting that a low cost, self-driving car. Wait...
/r/MensRights21/05/13 05:47 PM
2

You know this whole thing is the brainspasm of a bunch of 14 year old trolls who are hoping for some sort of jimmy rustle, they don't really care what.
/r/MensRights21/05/13 05:45 PM
5

It's true she's reacting to "a severe image problem," which means she doesn't think the problems are structural. But when she sees the idiotic and vitriolic comments from feminists that show up on that article, she'll get another little push in the right direction.
/r/MensRights21/05/13 05:25 PM
2

The funny thing is, all of the technological advances that allow them to have such fantasies are invented and produced by men.
/r/MensRights21/05/13 07:57 AM
2

My (female) friend works in an English literature department (as a secretary), and Oh My God. It's the all feminist channel (99% women) and they are so snotty, elitist and rude to her. They do things like invite her to their parties and then ask her to clean up afterwards. It really makes you wonder where feminists ever got the fantasy that the world would be a nicer place if it were run by women.
/r/MensRights21/05/13 07:46 AM
1

Isn't it fun? I wish we had those little flair boxes.
/r/MensRights21/05/13 07:39 AM
3

Actually this makes me want to go over to TumblerInAction, where people are constantly telling each other "check your privilege shitlord".
/r/MensRights20/05/13 05:42 PM
11

I probably know a good deal more about feminism than you do. I can match you author for author, I assure you. But here's the question you haven't answered: do you think this kind of misandry is craziness?
/r/MensRights20/05/13 04:15 PM
9

Uh-huh. So you DO think this is craziness? I mean, even crazier that patriarchal conspiracy theories?
/r/MensRights20/05/13 03:41 PM
6

I don't.
/r/MensRights20/05/13 03:40 PM
11

Uppercase letters are clearly heirarchical-patriarchal, where the fuck have you been? Edit to add I hope it's clear that I am kidding.
/r/MensRights20/05/13 03:39 PM
18

Well, we're batting an eye or two, but since we're MRAs I'm not sure it counts. I would love to see an article on Jezebel about THIS horseshit.
/r/MensRights20/05/13 03:37 PM
3

They would probably keep a few around for milking.
/r/MensRights20/05/13 03:33 PM
5

Aren't they precious.
/r/MensRights20/05/13 03:32 PM
3

However, how many potential "converts" to our cause will be lost if they don't make it to the end of the article because they are too uncomfortable and believe its "genuine". Not even one potential convert will be lost that way. Anybody who doesn't see what this really is and at least jump to the end to see what it's really about, was never, ever a potential convert.
/r/MensRights20/05/13 12:54 PM
1

I think it's a shame for the president to talk that way about his father. That is still the man that gave him life, and he doesn't really know the story either. He knows his mother's side of the story, and that's never the whole story, and in fact only the two people in the marriage ever know what's really happening. Now he uses his own father to the entire nation as an example of of what kind of man not to be. I think that's really rotten. Edit to insert missing words.
/r/MensRights20/05/13 09:07 AM
2

I don't get it. Never mind, now I get it.
/r/MensRights20/05/13 08:08 AM
7

That's how it seems to me, but this could also be part of the "MRAs should shut up because feminists are taking care of their issues" gambit, which they have certainly been escalating lately.
/r/MensRights19/05/13 09:43 PM
5

Online I just leave those arguments quickly. But if I actually had friends who called me rape apologist, I would tell them how much it hurt my feelings to have them say that about me.
/r/MensRights19/05/13 04:18 PM
110

Drop her like a hot rock. She is setting you up for a lifetime of having to prove that you really can love, and a lifetime of failing. It's projection anyway. A lot of the time it's women who can only calculate the benefits of a relationship.
/r/MensRights19/05/13 10:01 AM
3

Aw, how come anybody ever posts anything good about men in this reddit people come along and start pissing all over it?
/r/MensRights19/05/13 09:26 AM
0

Somebody on there is whining that it puts women in a bad light because they only ever panic and never do anything useful.
/r/MensRights19/05/13 09:23 AM
2

All she would actually have to do is close the door and lock it.
/r/MensRights18/05/13 05:57 PM
1

Well, evidence like Sara Ylen getting a man stuck in jail for 10 years on a false rape charge based on actually and literally no evidence at all? Just her word?
/r/MensRights18/05/13 02:25 PM
1

The feminist narrative that women never falsely accuse men, you mean?
/r/MensRights18/05/13 02:22 PM
6

Just someone with mental health problems. Probably not really a man either, but who knows.
/r/MensRights18/05/13 01:20 PM
1

MRAs dodged a few bullets there.
/r/MensRights18/05/13 01:05 PM
6

So there'd be more for Hugs? Self-serving or what?
/r/MensRights18/05/13 06:23 AM
2

At the end as he passes the next car the guy says "goodonya lad"
/r/MensRights18/05/13 06:21 AM
1

Never mind then. I thought you'd picked up that he's a troll. Don't mind me.
/r/MensRights18/05/13 06:21 AM
1

Eeeeyup.
/r/MensRights17/05/13 10:01 PM
1

Totally off topic but how do you see the ration of up to down votes? When a thread has been brigaded I'd really like to be able to see that.
/r/MensRights17/05/13 09:53 PM
3

Yup, looks like a load of horseshit to me.
/r/MensRights17/05/13 09:46 PM
13

I can tell that you find it as infuriating as I do.
/r/MensRights17/05/13 08:55 PM
4

Your username is cute.
/r/MensRights17/05/13 06:51 PM
-1

No, that's just more bullshit.
/r/MensRights17/05/13 06:31 PM
68

Why are feminists such fucking pathological liars all the time, I wonder? SPitzer, Clinton and Woods (and Sanford and Wiener et al) were crucified for their affairs. While Muffington Host runs 2-3 blogs a day about why it totally men's fault if women have affairs.
/r/MensRights17/05/13 06:22 PM
2

I'm seeing -505 on that one. Not that I care. It's just somebody's opinion. If we all have to be exactly the same we might as well just give up and be feminists.
/r/MensRights17/05/13 06:15 PM
4

Oh you're right, one of them mentioned the Garde, that's Irish isn't it?
/r/MensRights17/05/13 05:55 PM
19

I'm not so sure. The guy behind supported him. British men don't love lady drivers and they often aren't bashful about saying so.
/r/MensRights17/05/13 04:03 PM
2

Okay, so maybe you are a woman. Maybe you haven't had the easiest ride in life—maybe you grew up in poverty; you've experienced death, neglect, and despair; you hate your job, your car, your body. Maybe somebody (or multiple somebodies) pulverized your heart, or maybe you've never even been loved enough to know what a broken heart feels like. Maybe shit started out unfair and became irreparable and you never deserved any of this. Maybe everything looks fine on paper, but you're just unhappy and …
/r/MensRights17/05/13 10:47 AM
106

Oh.My.God. I love when she screams "I'm a woman on my own" and he goes "I'm a cyclist on me own, what are ye talkin aboot?"
/r/MensRights17/05/13 10:36 AM
1

Seems pretty definitive. And it will backfire of course. All these affirmative action programmes do is breed resentment and drive it underground at the same time.
/r/MensRights17/05/13 10:15 AM
1

Well, the feminists wanted to destroy marriage and decimate the male population. So at least they are happy now, and that's what matters. /s
/r/MensRights17/05/13 10:11 AM
2

How does a person end up like that I wonder.
/r/MensRights17/05/13 10:07 AM
1

A conspiracy theory has two defining characteristics. One is that the theory offers an alternative narrative to explain some event or situation, an alternative that stands in opposition to the widely held, dominant narrative. But there are other theories which do the same that may well be completely legitimate; for example, a well supported critique of the reigning orthodoxy. What really defines a conspiracy theory, then, is its second characteristic, namely its wide but biased selection of sour…
/r/MensRights17/05/13 09:38 AM
17

But they're secretly scared shitless that it might not be.
/r/MensRights17/05/13 09:34 AM
1

I know advice is always kind of useless, but ...is there any chance of finding a local men's group? They may not all be your kind of man but at least they might be committed to openness.
/r/MensRights17/05/13 09:31 AM
2

It sums up a certain kind of man nicely, that's for sure, and I upvoted because I think this could be an illuminating read for MRAs. Very sad, though, to see such talent devoted to such self-loathing nonsense. Also note that this was written in 1985 - I wonder how he sees it all a quarter century later.
/r/MensRights17/05/13 09:23 AM
12

It's a good question and I think the answer is: bad conscience. If you've been abusing someone for a long time, you have to keep insisting they deserve it. Otherwise you'll have to admit you've been an asshole all along.
/r/MensRights17/05/13 09:18 AM
1

You know what kills me is they call this iconoclastic. They aren't even trying to hide that the status quo is "women matter more."
/r/MensRights17/05/13 09:15 AM
1

Actually, I was asking in that way because I assumed you were male. If you are female, all is already clear.
/r/MensRights17/05/13 09:08 AM
2

What makes me curious is the personal lives of people like you. Are you personally high up in a corporation? Do you know anyone who is? Do you have the upper hand over anyone at all? Are all the men in your neighborhood privileged and in control of the women?
/r/MensRights17/05/13 08:53 AM
2

Although that's true about the chocolate.
/r/MensRights17/05/13 07:06 AM
1

Don't be such a girl (KIDDING!)
/r/MensRights17/05/13 06:58 AM
11

Un-fucking-believable.
/r/MensRights16/05/13 09:36 PM
7

The thing is, there has been so much pressure for the past 30 years on women to be independent wage earners, and the feminist party line has been that this is what women really want and need. So it is somewhat surprising.
/r/MensRights16/05/13 07:36 PM
3

I think you can bet on that.
/r/MensRights16/05/13 07:34 PM
6

78% said they wouldn't mind being financially dependent on their partner.
/r/MensRights16/05/13 07:00 PM
5

What a mess.
/r/MensRights16/05/13 05:49 PM
6

I think it's painfully sincere.
/r/MensRights16/05/13 05:22 PM
4

I was just kidding. I don't believe in moderate feminists. That's like moderate Jehovahs Witnesses. Doesn't matter how nice they seem, they are still hoping for god to rain fire and destruction on everyone but them. And no matter how nice they seem, feminists think men are the villains of history. If they didn't, they wouldn't be feminists.
/r/MensRights16/05/13 02:27 PM
2

Sorry.
/r/MensRights16/05/13 02:23 PM
4

Tsk tsk. Don't want to alienate the moderates do you? /s
/r/MensRights16/05/13 02:12 PM
2

(takes rag gently) As a woman, shouldn't I be wiping your brow for you?
/r/MensRights16/05/13 02:07 PM
1

Except that is sort of actually true.
/r/MensRights16/05/13 02:05 PM
2

I agree.
/r/MensRights16/05/13 02:02 PM
13

Maybe they should come over here and read for themselves for a while? Have their own thoughts? Form their own conclusions? Exercise some critical thinking skills?
/r/MensRights16/05/13 01:51 PM
2

I personally find some emotional truth in this, from the experiences that I have had with men in my life (I am a woman). But I don't think the MRM will be successful if it tries to turn back the clock. Also, I think that women have lost their basis for being moral trustees in the private domain. We've proven to be...not morally superior.
/r/MensRights16/05/13 12:36 PM
1

Tyciol you are SHARP. I didn't catch it till he started telling "what do you say to a woman with two black eyes" jokes.
/r/MensRights16/05/13 11:48 AM
6

I thought the article was very reasonable, but the comments were JUST what I expected. How dare you talk about men's issues!
/r/MensRights16/05/13 10:00 AM
1

I'd interpret it that he's doubly a gentleman: he holds the umbrella over her, AND he doesn't use it as an excuse to get close to her.
/r/MensRights16/05/13 09:35 AM
2

Yes, I agree he is saying that. But I did think it included the implication that men are incapable of finding any other way of feeling valid. Maybe I was wrong. It's just a sound bite, you can't get a lot of complex things into a sound bit.
/r/MensRights16/05/13 09:21 AM
1

Agree. They are political bedfellows when it comes to porn and male disposibility. But I think if either one went to sleep in that bed, they'd wake up raped! (Sorry, I thought it was funny.)
/r/MensRights16/05/13 09:19 AM
3

I don't see why. It's not really the same process at all. They haven't got the hormones that we get to help us deal with it, hormones which start at conception. To me it looks like an exercise in sadism.
/r/MensRights16/05/13 09:16 AM
30

There is currently no room in this world for a man who wants his unborn child to live. Even him grieving about it makes every one else furious. Which I think really says a lot about the whole issue.
/r/MensRights15/05/13 08:17 PM
3

Women who are actually interested in STEM subjects just study them, in my experience, without making too much fuss about it. I don't see any reason to care if STEM fields are 50% women. No one is worried if oilrigging, garbage collection, skyscraper construction, coalmining, deepsea cable laying, pipefitting, fishing, hodcarrying or plumbing are 50% women.
/r/MensRights15/05/13 05:07 PM
2

I think the Geoff Dench comments are also unhelpful. They seem to imply that men's big problem is not being allowed to be altruistic enough.
/r/MensRights15/05/13 04:39 PM
2

You aren't automatically forced to do this when your wife has a baby...yet.
/r/MensRights15/05/13 03:38 PM
3

In terms of male disposability and disdain for men, no difference. My fundamentalist anti-feminist Catholic mother sounds just like a radfem when you get her on the topic of men. But there is a big difference when it comes to sexuality and even more when it comes to abortion.
/r/MensRights15/05/13 03:36 PM
1

Some of the comments were very fuckwitted, but the article wasn't bad. I would have liked to have seen some acknowledgement of the statistics about male college education, to go with the fact that men without a college education are more likely to kill themselves.
/r/MensRights15/05/13 03:27 PM
2

Well that's fine then. So you won't mind if I start a campaign about teaching blacks not to steal? Because some of them might not know it's wrong.
/r/MensRights15/05/13 02:32 PM
2

Love you more than rainbows!
/r/MensRights15/05/13 02:28 PM
3

I haven't heard one in 30 years and even then it was considered shocking bad taste.
/r/MensRights15/05/13 10:18 AM
1

I'm curious too. I have a niece about this age who talks this sort of rubbish. I always have the impression that it's very inauthentic and superficial. But I'm reluctant to ask if she's serious, because even that would cause offense and would stay in the family field forever.
/r/MensRights15/05/13 10:17 AM
2

Exactly x2.
/r/MensRights14/05/13 03:14 PM
2

I don't know, what's wrong with that? She got plenty of pretty severe straighttalk. And it's not like she's just a bad person, she posted because she was feeling so guilty about it.
/r/MensRights14/05/13 09:32 AM
1

I wholeheartedly agree, but I guess that makes us both rape apologists. Or worse.
/r/MensRights14/05/13 08:38 AM
1

Good point. Femitheist Divine is very soft-spoken. When she talks about internationals castration day she does it with the sweetest little voice and cute smile.
/r/MensRights14/05/13 08:07 AM
1

If we talked they would scream us down. But if a bunch of MRAs just went and held up signs that read "Equal rights and rules for women", just imagine the consternation.
/r/MensRights14/05/13 08:04 AM
1

I have a problem with the original thought experiment because the analogy falls down in so many ways. For one thing, it implies zero responsibility for the pregancy itself. Women don't usually go to sleep and wake up pregnant (and the cases where they do should be (and are) treated differently). A fetus is quite different from a fatally ill old person. Disconnecting yourself from a dialisys machine is not the same as a D&C. And so on. Just saying I don't think you can extrapolate from this to fi…
/r/MensRights14/05/13 07:59 AM
1

This is the issue that moved me from avoiding feminists because they are boring to being outright anti-feminist. It made me so mad that they tried to shame her.
/r/MensRights14/05/13 07:49 AM
4

I don't mind so much about "misogynist", because you can't be vigilante killed with impunity for that...yet.
/r/MensRights14/05/13 05:55 AM
28

What about calling people pedophile for disagreeing? Is there a word for that? I am seeing such a lot of that recently. Don't believe in the wage gap? You must be a pedophile. Think there is a possibility that Ariel Castro's brothers might not have known? You're a pedophile. It's just...crazy.
/r/MensRights13/05/13 09:01 PM
3

There was another Ashley Madison one posted just a week or two ago (on here) that really read like one of those advertisement "articles". I'm guessing it's a huge, huge money spinner.
/r/MensRights13/05/13 06:10 PM
1

That ought to be worth something. Fathers are as important as mothers.
/r/MensRights13/05/13 04:11 PM
7

Well it's a happier ending than it might have been, but if anything demonstrates the complete idiocy of the custody system, it's this story. I find it insane that they didn't just give custody to T back when it all started going pear-shaped?
/r/MensRights13/05/13 02:09 PM
8

Lol, the plan is working.
/r/MensRights13/05/13 08:35 AM
5

"Australia-wide, of the cases I’ve collected of child homicide, 41 per cent were killed by the biological mother, 31 per cent by the biological father and 21 per cent were killed by the de facto male partner. It looks to me like mothers are the biggest risk factor, from this statistic.
/r/MensRights13/05/13 08:34 AM
3

Just leave her to it. If you are 26 then she is somewhere in her 50s? People that age are dealing with mortality and the meaning of life. For women, feminism is a really easy solution. They can get lots of peer approval and confirmation of everything they are going through, lots of you go girl. Extreme feminists like Gail Dines feed on this sort of emotional and existential insecurity in women. She has her life and you have yours. Go solve your own problems and let her solve hers, is my advice.
/r/MensRights13/05/13 07:41 AM
0

I don't know if it's meant to have an SJW subtext but it's kind of a funny picture.
/r/MensRights12/05/13 09:22 AM
18

I wonder if the journalist got a kickback from Ashley Madison for writing this article.
/r/MensRights12/05/13 09:21 AM
1

Exactly.
/r/MensRights11/05/13 07:32 PM
1

Good luck. :)
/r/MensRights11/05/13 06:55 PM
2

one's feelings can compromise the integrity of an argument. I have a problem with this right here. In the feminist world, feelings might compromise the integrity of an argument. In the logical world, no. It may be difficult to listen to someone who is angry, but their anger does not compromise the integrity of the argument. Neither does their colour, gender, income, or history.
/r/MensRights11/05/13 05:26 PM
1

I think Orwell showed that the idea of equality is so empty that it can easily become a propaganda placeholder and be used to achieve any political ends at all. And feminism certainly confirms that for me.
/r/MensRights11/05/13 03:12 PM
1

Peer pressure is pretty powerful stuff, but I don't want to argue the point too hard because that isn't what really bothers me. What bothers me is that here, as usual, feminism doesn't fight for anything really worth fighting for. We need higher salaries to pay for make-up! If you pointed out that's it's women who insist on it, for themselves and others, they would talk about patriarchy or introjected patriarchy.
/r/MensRights11/05/13 02:01 PM
6

Are any of those real?
/r/MensRights11/05/13 09:52 AM
5

I've seen quite a bit of this among my female relatives over the years. In every case, the woman has absolutely no respect for the man as a man or a human being. Is it surprising if the man does not want to be around someone who has such thorough contempt for him? He might well think that he has nothing to offer your joint child, and that the child is better off without him. If you really want babydaddy in his son's life, start focussing on what is good about him and what good qualities and less…
/r/MensRights11/05/13 09:47 AM
2

She might turn out to be the nicest person in the world and die of some horrible disease, which leaves you poverty stricken from medical bills. Or a fighter pilot might run out of gas and run his plane into your house, killing your wife and two kids while you are out at work (that happened). Sorry to be gruesome, but there's a million things that can go horribly wrong in life, you can't worry about it or you'll be too paralyzed to actually live it. My advice for this particular situation is to c…
/r/MensRights11/05/13 09:40 AM
4

I think it's a really good article and he has several really good points.
/r/MensRights11/05/13 09:25 AM
1

Actually...you absolutely are required to wear make-up to work. If you don't do it you will be slain by the other women. What I don't understand is why feminism hasn't SOLVED that expensive, carcinogenic problem, by shaming make-up.
/r/MensRights11/05/13 08:17 AM
1

I loathe it but I like to leave MRA comments. I may be deluded but I hope to reach normal people and sow doubts in their minds. (Irritating the feminists there is sort of a side benefit.)
/r/MensRights11/05/13 08:14 AM
2

What does "elevate the status" mean?
/r/MensRights10/05/13 08:50 PM
7

I couldn't agree more.
/r/MensRights10/05/13 06:08 PM
6

I think they are trying to avoid alienating people that they hope will become allies. I think it's pretty deluded, and since I am opposed to all forms of feminism I wouldn't bother, myself. But I think there are good intentions in there somewhere. Sometimes.
/r/MensRights10/05/13 05:27 PM
0

I sense that you are laughing on the outside but crying on the inside. ;)
/r/MensRights10/05/13 05:13 PM
10

They've really been beating this drum lately and I wonder why.
/r/MensRights10/05/13 01:18 PM
1

I'm not sure I would call it violence, that makes it sound innately bad. It's really aggression you are talking about, right? Which can be used for good or evil. I also would take the comparison a little further, and say that sexuality has as much of a dark side as aggression does, because it also produces children. Kids not knowing who their fathers are (and all the accompanying social ailments), tens of thousands of abortions per year, child neglect and abuse and exploitation. Basically, nothi…
/r/MensRights10/05/13 12:57 PM
0

So you feel guilty when you act "masculine" and you feel "guilty" when you act feminine. It sounds like your masculine and feminine sides are at war with each other. Maybe you could get them to call a truce.
/r/MensRights10/05/13 12:39 PM
3

It was bound to happen. There was just no way that article wasn't going to be written.
/r/MensRights10/05/13 08:18 AM
18

No but Kate Millett wrote a book about a woman who kept a couple of her foster daughters in a basement and tortured them (including rape with objects), with the help of her own daughter, for a long time, till killing one of them. Kate Millett, being Kate Millett, blamed the patriarchy for this of course. If people want an excuse for misandry, or misogyny, or racism, or anti-Semitism, or any other kind of grouphate, they'll find it. And there's nothing you can say or do to convince them otherwise…
/r/MensRights09/05/13 05:51 PM
5

Excellent.
/r/MensRights09/05/13 02:46 PM
1

Forcing people to do things for the "good of society" removes their choice.
/r/MensRights09/05/13 10:41 AM
1

Who decides what is beneficial to society as a whole? Mary Daly thinks decimating the male population is beneficial to society as a whole, because patriarchy and also testosterone. Even if it could be absolutely guaranteed somehow that this particular thing would benefit society as a whole, I still wouldn't do it, because I am not a utilitarian. I think each individual has inherent value and each individual's freedom also has inherent value.
/r/MensRights09/05/13 10:32 AM
2

Why isn't it the hill to die on? It's got absolutely everything: bullshit, lies, manipulation, hypcrisy, victimology, injustice, misuse of media power, intrusion on privacy, lynch mobs. A harmless computer geek with three kids was fired because of Adria Richards. And it's still running, the feminists aren't done with it, that's for sure. They are integrating it into their misogyny-hatespeech-backlash narrative right now.
/r/MensRights09/05/13 10:21 AM
0

I loved that.
/r/MensRights09/05/13 10:17 AM
1

Completely against. Making people take any kind of medicine, that's just way too intrusive. I know crazy people have to be managed, but I am not even too happy about that.
/r/MensRights09/05/13 09:10 AM
0

What can we do about this age-old human drive to dominate and have power over each other? Such an article is so wrong-headed that there really isn't any logical argument you can make against it.
/r/MensRights09/05/13 08:55 AM
27

An educated feminist IMO doesn't hate men for the sake of hating men. You should read some books by educated feminists, they tend to be the ones that want reduce the male population through violent means.
/r/MensRights08/05/13 08:38 PM
1

I vote for "no reason for it to exist".
/r/MensRights08/05/13 08:28 PM
14

I absolutely agree with the comment. But they are creating a classic double bind by sending this message and at the same time sending the message that the MRM should settle down and let feminists solve men's problems.
/r/MensRights08/05/13 11:59 AM
19

Checked the comments and found this: Problems which affect men are serious and deserve serious attention. But the onus should not be on feminists to do all the work,
/r/MensRights08/05/13 11:38 AM
3

Maybe just a tad.
/r/MensRights08/05/13 08:58 AM
12

Having read yours and his twice I finally understand that you have just copied his here. Whew. I think it's a load of bullshit, of course. The same old bullshit we see on here pretty often. I.e., NAFALT+patriarchy=men don't need rights so shut your gob. Edit for typo
/r/MensRights08/05/13 08:28 AM
1

You are gender flipping the Frogman essay?
/r/MensRights08/05/13 08:05 AM
2

But would you allow yourself to get involved with someone like your mother? (I have a BPD sister and I can tell you me and all my other sisters have spent a lifetime trying to avoid people like her.) The point is to avoid getting romantically involved with people who have such really large, unsolveable emotional disturbances. I think that's good advice to anyone, regardless of gender, and if you're honest you'll admit that women give each other that advice all the time. This is not an MRM fail.
/r/MensRights08/05/13 06:05 AM
3

Did you see the Alain Soral youtube video that someone posted? He really dissects that hidden corporate agenda.
/r/MensRights08/05/13 05:28 AM
4

No CEO wants to operate their factory below capacity, so we need more women in the workforce. This is the bottom line hidden behind the "we can have everything" propaganda that women have been falling for for the past 40 years. Fools. Edit to fix formatting.
/r/MensRights08/05/13 05:08 AM
5

I don't understand why people are always asking Amanda Marcotte her opinion on things. It's always the same anyway.
/r/MensRights07/05/13 09:00 PM
0

I'm posting this to show that men can also be nurturing and caring in their masculinity. Sorry that bothers you so much.
/r/MensRights07/05/13 02:47 PM
0

Why are you being like this? That was cross posted and who cares anyway? I posted a really sweet thing about men and you seem to want to turn it into a big ugly thing? What for?
/r/MensRights07/05/13 02:20 PM
1

You know what, you are the troll, that's what I think. And I've never posted in rage at all as far as I know. And as I already explained, I think there is a place in the MRM for posting positive items about the wonderful things men do. If you don't like that idea, you are the one with the problem.
/r/MensRights07/05/13 02:06 PM
1

No, that isn't what I mean at all. I meant that I have seen a number of women abandon their children on the grounds that it is better to be absent than to be there but unhappy. Edit to add: I was talking about the selfishness of people abandoning their children in order to pursue fantasies of happiness.
/r/MensRights07/05/13 01:50 PM
1

If you mean me, I'm not trolling at all, and I don't know why you would think so. What's wrong with showing pictures of men being lovely? Isn't it a break from the endless stream of injustices and abuses? Don't you sometimes want to get some love?
/r/MensRights07/05/13 01:48 PM
1

Alright, maybe I'm wrong. To me that claim looks like yet another excuse for being selfish.
/r/MensRights07/05/13 01:44 PM
1

Maybe she could put a little epitaph on there as well.
/r/MensRights07/05/13 01:42 PM
65

So Stringfield is no longer a public prosecutor, but obviously not disbarred or you'd have mentioned it. And Christian is still a detective. Well ain't that special. You're right, 150,00 is paltry when you think about it.
/r/MensRights07/05/13 01:27 PM
2

Is there any question that it's 40 years of feminism that has made it totally acceptable to say women are smarter than men?
/r/MensRights07/05/13 01:17 PM
3

I just don't know why this should be so acceptable while the reverse would have everyone's knickers in a huge twist. It really goes to show that feminism has simply never been about equality.
/r/MensRights07/05/13 10:45 AM
2

I do kind of wonder how he found anybody for the control group.
/r/MensRights07/05/13 10:31 AM
6

Really? Because when ever I see something nice about men, I post it. Bringing all the wonderful things about men to the forefront seems kind of important.
/r/MensRights07/05/13 10:29 AM
2

That one wins the 2013 Poe Award.
/r/MensRights07/05/13 10:02 AM
3

Guess they took a little break from oppressing women.
/r/MensRights07/05/13 10:01 AM
2

Yes, I'm against AA. It does no one any favours. If you are really TOO different to do the job, well, it's a bit silly. It's like the one-legged man applying for the role of Tarzan. But if you can do the job, then just do it.
/r/MensRights06/05/13 09:09 PM
1

I don't know. I don't actually think it's a problem if men or women are underrepresented in a certain field. I don't think it needs solving. I don't think there needs to be more women in mathematics or oilrigging. The ones that want to be there should have a chance to train for the job and see if they can do it up to a reasonable standard. If they can't, they should go do something else, just like the men who can't.
/r/MensRights06/05/13 09:03 PM
3

The dangers are about the same either way. Pro-choice men can change their minds as well. People are frequently surprised by their response to pregnancy, to how much they relate to the child as a person, and how much they grieve about not keeping it. Men as well as women, in my experience.
/r/MensRights06/05/13 09:00 PM
4

I've been reading these types of articles for 20 years, and they always sound the same. It's like reading the Watchtower and Awake.
/r/MensRights06/05/13 08:10 PM
2

Well, we're both just going from our own experience, so...we haven't really established a thing, have we?
/r/MensRights06/05/13 08:06 PM
2

No, there's a big disconnect on goals. Feminists believe in patriarchy and their goal is to destroy it. MRAs don't believe in patriarchy. As far as I know. If there's a branch that does believe in patriarchy, I haven't run across it.
/r/MensRights06/05/13 08:05 PM
4

Cheers me up no end.
/r/MensRights06/05/13 07:49 PM
1

Well my parents weren't exactly the Cosby's, but...I just remember that my mother occasionally threatened to leave forever, and I never thought "good, fuck off, I'd be better off without you!". I wanted her around even if she was depressed, nasty, and unwilling. Maybe if your parent never was there, it's different.
/r/MensRights06/05/13 07:25 PM
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I would love to believe that.
/r/MensRights06/05/13 06:48 PM
3

Most experts, myself included, agree that it's better for a child to have an absent parent than a parent who's present but neglectful There probably aren't a lot of kids who would agree to that.
/r/MensRights06/05/13 06:34 PM
2

You are, like all feminists I've ever met, assuming there's a patriarchy. I think the MRM is profoundly opposed to that assumption. That is why I think we cannot never be on the same track. No I have no interest in establishing women in supervisory positions in most fields. Nobody needs to do that. I have the utmost faith that if a woman wants to achieve something, and she's willing to do what's required, she will achieve it. I have no question in my mind about that. So I don't think any special…
/r/MensRights06/05/13 05:28 PM
1

It is noteworthy that female faculty members were just as likely as their male colleagues to favor the male student. The fact that faculty members’ bias was independent of their gender, scientific discipline, age, and tenure status suggests that it is likely un- intentional, generated from widespread cultural stereotypes rather than a conscious intention to harm women (17). Addi- tionally, the fact that faculty participants reported liking the fe- male more than the male student further undersco…
/r/MensRights06/05/13 05:18 PM
4

What was I thinking.
/r/MensRights06/05/13 02:35 PM
3

The point of the article is that the women don't get the homes. The parents save up (from birth) to provide a house for the son so he can get a bride, and then don't want to put it in her name. Go figure. /s
/r/MensRights06/05/13 02:16 PM
2

That's heartening in a way.
/r/MensRights06/05/13 11:15 AM
0

It was also the transwomen that the radfems say such nasty things about. And I don't think they have any right to be angry. Hate groups should hide in a corner and meet in secret.
/r/MensRights06/05/13 09:55 AM
0

What about the Wargs?
/r/MensRights06/05/13 09:54 AM
1

Huh, they started out that way.
/r/MensRights06/05/13 09:52 AM
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Am I the only one thinking that she killed at least one of those steps as well?
/r/MensRights06/05/13 07:00 AM
2

How is it the exact same goal as feminism? The stated goal of feminism is to get rid of patriarchy. (I have never seen a feminist say they don't believe in patriarchy, and if you can find one who does, please link it. ) MRAs don't believe in patriarchy, as far as I can tell. When feminists work for equality, it seems to consist of working against patriarchy. When feminists work "with" MRAs, it seems to consist of ... working against patriarchy. So I see no way whatever that we could ever have th…
/r/MensRights06/05/13 06:38 AM
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OMG it's not benefiting women, it's a disaster.
/r/MensRights06/05/13 06:35 AM
1

Why is it important to keep the name?
/r/MensRights06/05/13 06:08 AM
2

I'm really shocked and appalled.
/r/MensRights06/05/13 05:31 AM
4

I think this sort of thing shows that patriarchy is a projection of women's own judgementalness and strictness with each other, which is why it's interesting as a men's rights topic. I think women are like this, which is fine, nobody's perfect. It shows, though, that our solidarity against men really is NOT solidarity with each other. It's just against men. As a woman with a lot of sisters, I've always known this.
/r/MensRights06/05/13 05:08 AM
7

I read that article by his friend defending him and he didn't even "let" the girl blow him. He was totally shocked, stepped away and let her get taken away by security. He had the issue of not wanting to push her away for fear it would be read as violence against her. The whole situation was totally unfair. So yeah.
/r/MensRights05/05/13 10:34 PM
2

So many fuck-offs, so little time.
/r/MensRights05/05/13 10:10 PM
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Christ.
/r/MensRights05/05/13 10:09 PM
9

Well I'm not talking about blowjobs. I'm talking about Elizabeth Wurzel saying that any woman who is financially supported by a man is a prostitute, and all the feminists at huffpost freaking out because Gabrielle Reece finds her marriage works best if she is submissive to her husband (because it's bad role modeling for young girls), and feminists in Florida trying to deprive sex workers of a living by closing down a so-called "degrading to women" strip club, and tumbltards pissing themselves be…
/r/MensRights05/05/13 10:00 PM
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They don't think that women have the intelligence to get to the top without affirmative action, for example. A lot of women scientists really, really hate that. Also, whenever women make choices that feminists disapprove of, feminists immediately say that it's because of introjected patriarchy. How insulting is that? They completely refuse to let women indulge their sexual kinks if it involves masochism or any kind of submission. They don't believe that women have any real responsibility for the…
/r/MensRights05/05/13 08:54 PM
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I suppose here is not the place for that convo but I'd love to be there for it, because the thing I've noticed is that nobody thinks less of women than feminists do.
/r/MensRights05/05/13 06:33 PM
3

The only answer is for pro-life men to only have sex with pro-life women. She could still change her mind but it ups your chances of getting to keep your offspring if that's what you want.
/r/MensRights05/05/13 02:14 PM
2

To insects, certainly.
/r/MensRights05/05/13 10:23 AM
3

If I call you dickwad it's not short for Richardwad. As you know perfectly well.
/r/MensRights05/05/13 10:22 AM
3

The comments are good too.
/r/MensRights05/05/13 10:06 AM
1

“Women and men are both victims of abusive power and violence," Voller said. "I personally could have been raped.” This is what I found interesting about this article.
/r/MensRights04/05/13 11:16 PM
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I have no idea if you would find Dr Palmatier helpful but she says some interesting and I think sensible things about how men can help themselves when they are in relationships with personality disordered women. http://www.shrink4men.com/about/
/r/MensRights04/05/13 10:50 PM
3

Sure, my sister moved her kids halfway across the country. My brother-in-law insisted on seeing them anyway, and my sister made such a goddam meal out of it, the kid was completely traumatised. And my sister blamed her husband for that. All his fault. Some people have no ethics, basically. I think this family lawyer here is one of them.
/r/MensRights04/05/13 10:38 PM
3

Or fathers who get stuck in jail for inability to pay child support.
/r/MensRights04/05/13 10:25 PM
7

You might point out - as some tech women have - that favoritism and tokenism is both insulting and fraudulent. They aren't getting equal treatment, they aren't getting as good an education as the men, they can never feel as confident or secure in either their education or their skills, and they are likely to get a rude shock when they get out into the work world. Furthermore, favoritism and tokenism both creates bad feeling and discrimination against women and at the same time drives it undergro…
/r/MensRights04/05/13 10:21 PM
2

So all anyone is really concerned about is the situation where everyone is sober but the woman doesn't say no? Is that so common? Because if it is then feminism ought to pack up and go home, it failed utterly. If after 40 years of feminism women have not learned to assert themselves enough to say no to a man, our feminist foremothers are rolling in their graves.
/r/MensRights04/05/13 10:08 PM
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Never mind, it just means you made a point they have no argument against, and they know it. So they move onto namecalling and downvote brigades. The last resort of the logically challenged.
/r/MensRights04/05/13 09:53 PM
4

Some people have suggested egalitarian and/or humanist.
/r/MensRights04/05/13 09:24 PM
3

Oh. Good point.
/r/MensRights04/05/13 09:19 PM
3

So you don't support feminism?
/r/MensRights04/05/13 07:58 PM
1

Jesus, the fucking comments.
/r/MensRights04/05/13 07:52 PM
1

Thank you.
/r/MensRights04/05/13 05:46 PM
0

Well now I'm getting very confused. If there's no witnesses or evidence that her consent was unenthusiastic? So basically now she has to give her enthusiastic consent in front of witnesses?
/r/MensRights04/05/13 05:24 PM
2

Fantastic!
/r/MensRights04/05/13 05:02 PM
4

It's a shame though really, because if they had two they would certainly fight each other.
/r/MensRights04/05/13 04:00 PM
2

Absolutely. Although I would have titled that "Feminism: The new prudery" I am convinced that feminism is a way for modern women to stay (unconsciously) loyal to their puritan grandmothers.
/r/MensRights04/05/13 03:58 PM
1

I don't think it's the same, except that both are posters. If it said "teach women not to lie," or "teach women to take responsibility for themselves," then I'd say you have a point.
/r/MensRights04/05/13 03:25 PM
1

I think you'll get nowhere with her because there is no real logic there in the first place, but here is what I suggest. Get a basic logic book. Learn (on the sly) how logic works. There are very clear rules, and there's a big list of known logical flaws (you can Wiki it actually, "logical fallacies", you'll recognise a few right off the bat). After a while you will see where the argument falls down. It may after all not be worth it to point this out. It will make her mad. But at least you will …
/r/MensRights04/05/13 03:21 PM
5

The brigade is here.
/r/MensRights04/05/13 03:17 PM
5

And do you think it's all so clear cut when both people are blackout drunk? I am very wary of a rape claim from someone who doesn't remember what happened at all, but looks at the guy in the morning and thinks "I would never have said yes to him, so he must have raped me!".
/r/MensRights04/05/13 02:30 PM
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Now it's becoming "not enthusiastic yes means no". So stick that in your pipe and smoke it! Edit for typo
/r/MensRights04/05/13 12:29 PM
1

Interesting. I think logically you must be right. I don't know what kind of research could support the observations. Historically it seems to me that polygamy is full of suppressed violence, among the wives and among the siblings. I know just from my own family that sibling rivalry between steps is intense and painful. And clan loyalties are in conflict in every marriage ... and with more wives you have more clans.
/r/MensRights04/05/13 12:17 PM
1

I don't see why anyone should really care if some MRAs hate women. Obviously it will feed the threat narrative, but then so will anything. And let's face it, quite of lot of radical feminists despise women. What's important is that the MRM is not based on hating women, it's based on politcal ideas. Insisting that a political movement be likeable or not hurt anybody's feelings is a subtle way of trying to castrate it, i.e., take away any power it might have.
/r/MensRights04/05/13 11:25 AM
1

If people want to put their kink on tv and others want to watch it, why should anyone care?
/r/MensRights04/05/13 10:30 AM
1

I'm not really religious, but I don't mind "evil" as an explananation.
/r/MensRights04/05/13 07:37 AM
5

It might not be a failed marketing strategy, it might end up working. But fuck it. If they have to escalate it's because they are nervous. I expect to see worse than this.
/r/MensRights03/05/13 09:16 PM
2

It is funny how many drivers WON'T let an old lady cross the road without someone accompanying her.
/r/MensRights03/05/13 08:46 PM
3

Why extremists? Why not just activists?
/r/MensRights03/05/13 08:36 PM
2

Oppression of minorities, and certainly of women, scarcely exists in America in the 21st century. Genuine hate crimes happen, but they are very rare. Few societies in history have offered more security to the previously downtrodden. But the presence of security only makes the need for identity and stimulation more pressing. Hate-crime hoaxes are an extreme way of meeting those needs.
/r/MensRights03/05/13 06:23 PM
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If you were a friend or a relative of mine I would immediately suggest that you start looking for work in a place with a better male/female ratio. I think this situation is quite risky for a man.
/r/MensRights03/05/13 05:01 PM
6

So she's trying to float the story that the police framed her? Astonishing. I predict that when this fails she'll to get her dworkinhusband to take the fall. hatefuckgate, it has a ring to it.
/r/MensRights03/05/13 04:30 PM
2

I do wonder how many women who file sexual harassment suits look like that woman, and how many look like Meg Lanker-Simon.
/r/MensRights03/05/13 03:20 PM
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I guess it's progress. Except he's only doing it to score points for women. No talk about the prison rape culture, where reporting it would probably get you killed.
/r/MensRights03/05/13 03:16 PM
3

Size doesn't matter.
/r/MensRights03/05/13 02:25 PM
2

You need more than an upvote, you deserve a lol.
/r/MensRights03/05/13 02:24 PM
1

Well, maybe it's a class thing. I always enjoyed my street compliments when I was young. It was sweet. If someone grabbed me (and it did happen a couple of times) that was awful, but a compliment always seemed like a gift to me. And the person giving it is making himself or herself vulnerable, so I always felt a certain obligation to be kind. Oh well, those days are over and not just for me.
/r/MensRights03/05/13 02:22 PM
5

Susan Jennings, a representative of the company that handles security for Campus Lodge, said she was “relieved that it was a false alarm. This is a reminder of the importance of safety.” Right. Because I would have said this is a reminder of the importance of honesty. But no. Edit to add: in fact she actually seems to be saying that false rape allegation is a good thing because it reminds everyone to be careful of rapists.
/r/MensRights03/05/13 11:08 AM
1

She accepted he was immature, had a low IQ and suffered from a mild learning difficulty but the offence was so serious only a custodial sentence would do.
/r/MensRights03/05/13 11:06 AM
1

I was once ayoung and fresh and averagely pretty woman and it happened to me, I wouldn't say all the time but often enough. Sometimes it was socially competent and welcome, and sometimes not. In other words, sometimes I liked it and sometimes I didn't. Because that's life, for everybody. You think hot guys don't have to deal with constant attention, and that that attention is always welcome? We can't make enough rules to make everybody feel perfectly safe and comfy all the time and life would be…
/r/MensRights03/05/13 11:01 AM
1

I shouldn't think it's nice at all. Otherwise why all the "thin privilege" tumblrs and tears over being unpopular at comic-con cuz they're too fat? Nothing wrong with males and females wanting to give and get attention from and to each other. Why does feminism always have to pathologise normal behaviour? Why don't women just woman up and learn to deal with it?
/r/MensRights03/05/13 09:27 AM
2

And if she's not going to get randomly complimented by men on the street, she sure as hell doesn't want anybody else to.
/r/MensRights03/05/13 09:17 AM
2

There is no way in hell that this happened.
/r/MensRights03/05/13 09:14 AM
5

And her husband tried to implicate someone he disagreed with politically, as well.
/r/MensRights03/05/13 08:26 AM
6

Wow. This is good stuff.
/r/MensRights03/05/13 08:23 AM
1

It's good to have that perception confirmed. I changed my views considerably in the last year so I wasn't sure if things were changing outside of my head, or I was just changing the things I perceived.
/r/MensRights03/05/13 08:19 AM
2

Actually, the foster parents apparently knew quite early on, but colluded in the deception and then fought really hard to keep the child because they thought their big white mormon family would be a better place for the her than with a single black father.
/r/MensRights03/05/13 06:37 AM
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I know, that place is crazy with estrogen. What I find good though is people link here and then we go over and leave comments and some of them get through. It's probably pie-in-the-sky to think it makes MUCH difference but I have the impression that there's a backlash, they are fighting back. And that means we're being noticed, at least.
/r/MensRights03/05/13 06:33 AM
1

I don't know much about Marx, I just meant that he came from the class he agitated against.
/r/MensRights03/05/13 05:12 AM
2

I like her.
/r/MensRights03/05/13 05:11 AM
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I don't see the need of it. She doesn't have to wear the makeup and if she doesn't care whether or not she's sexually desirable, I certainly don't, and as far as the catcalls she'll miss them when they're gone. But she does have a nice way with words. Hoik. Bangability. Slumpy buttock.
/r/MensRights02/05/13 10:28 PM
1

A similar tension between rights and prohibitions determines heterosexual seduction in our politically correct times. Or, to put it differently, there is no seduction which cannot at some point be construed as intrusion or harassment because there will always be a point when one has to expose oneself and ‘make a pass’. But, of course, seduction doesn’t involve incorrect harassment throughout. When you make a pass, you expose yourself to the Other (the potential partner), and her reaction will de…
/r/MensRights02/05/13 09:40 PM
5

Radical feminists hate women the most.
/r/MensRights02/05/13 09:25 PM
1

Well if others are then I will too. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ir-waKi9Bmk
/r/MensRights02/05/13 08:39 PM
2

They really set the pattern for the future of propaganda.
/r/MensRights02/05/13 05:23 PM
2

It does sort of interact with it though. It's part of the field.
/r/MensRights02/05/13 04:02 PM
2

Actually it sort of reminds me of the Nazis shooting people for defeatism. Sorry to Godwin but it just popped into my head.
/r/MensRights02/05/13 04:00 PM
2

I'm always a little confused by the feminist MRA thing. I mean people like Lindy West (and Big Red) want to deal with MRM problems, by means of destroying the so-called patriarchy, but they are very vocal about hating the MRM itself. Do you have any links to self-identified feminist MRA sites, book titles or gender studies programmes or academics?
/r/MensRights02/05/13 03:58 PM
2

Unless, as someone suggested, she made the facebook page herself as well. And all the accounts commenting on it.
/r/MensRights02/05/13 03:01 PM
1

I don't know a lot about Marx but I read that his family were wealthy middle class.
/r/MensRights02/05/13 02:37 PM
1

Backatcha.
/r/MensRights02/05/13 11:58 AM
1

Didn't sound like it even would matter what, the way this story was told.
/r/MensRights02/05/13 11:57 AM
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It is easy to call out racists, our culture does not support racism at all and hasn't since the 60s. Misandry is a whole different story, it permeates everywhere. Scientific research (http://explorable.com/asch-experiment) shows that it is very difficult to go it alone against a group opinion. Edit to fix: doesn't support racism against people of colour.
/r/MensRights02/05/13 11:55 AM
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A professional academic feminist once told me that the only way feminists ever made any progress was to get help from men in power. She was terribly embarrassed about it. But maybe that's just the nature of political struggle - the in-group has to produce a few "traitors" before change can occur. I wonder if socialism would ever have gotten so far without support from a few disgruntled wealthy bourgoisie (like Engels and Marx) or even aristocrats (like Tony Benn).
/r/MensRights02/05/13 11:49 AM
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