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It would create a cascade of events making all these gripes less egregious. I dont think so. I think the only thing that could save a man from raising a kid that isnt his is mandatory dna testing. Because if a man trusts his wife, and she cheats on him, he is never gonna know if his kid is his or not. No level of contraception is gonna change that.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 02:05 PM
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Honestly I don’t know a lot of men who are fathers who worry about this shit Shows how out of touch you are with men. Its the biggest fear a man has. Of course its no big deal to women since your kid is your kid anyway as it comes out of you. But if you thought why men dont prefer sluts and want good girls, why men hate women who lie and cheat with a passion and why in the past there was so much control over womens bodies and womens movement, then you would understand that its because men have a…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 02:01 PM
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Im 100% sure that most men think that tricking you into raising another mans child, replacing your bloodline with his, is a lot more serious than most cases of "violence". This is typical from women who dont even have an ounce of empathy for men and male issues. Literally the worst thing you can do to a man, and here someone downplays it by saying its "nonviolent".
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 01:51 PM
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In any logical world false paternity would be a crime and would be punished. But thats not our world, our world is ruled entirely by money. And women are the primary consumers and therefore hold more value. Which is why they are more empowered, and will get away with such things at the expense of men. I wish mandatory dna tests were a thing, but if they were to happen from a justice point of view, from an equality point of view, or just from a "saving the men" point of view, it would already hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 01:46 PM
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I think the best solution is just the invention of male contraceptive pills. Not understanding how that will prevent a woman from cheating on her man and telling its his kid. It is not fair, but it is this way because the governing body has a vested interest in keeping things this way until a better solution comes along Exactly. Basically sacrificing men for the benefit of all. And feminists are still talking about "patriarchy". This wouldnt happen in a real patriarchy.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 01:46 PM
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My bad
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 01:31 PM
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Play not to lose is learned behaviour. For most guys its something you have to unlearn first before learning to be more charismatic.
/r/seduction18/02/22 01:03 PM
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Red pill is basically guys talking about girls without the bs. The base has changed recently though and i think its no longer active here. I also see a lot of youtube guys making money off of the redpill stuff nowadays, so i guess the newer base has moved over there. Thats what i basically looked for in reddit to debate but i found this place instead. I think you're oversimplifying it while also noting a very real issue. Yes i oversimplified it a lot..it would have been a huge topic otherwise. A…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 12:56 PM
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The premise is... skewed. "Sex" is not a level on the pyramid of needs. "Love and belonging" is. Wrong. Its on the first level, with food and water. Love and belonging is a separate need.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 12:23 PM
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Nope
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 12:22 PM
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Sex is a need classified as such in the hierarchy of needs on the same level as food and water. It really doesnt matter what you or i think, that is what it is. You can either accept or get more emotional over it 🥱
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 12:20 PM
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Im past my mid 40s. Im not sure anymore about my count but it could be over 100. At least 70 or 80 for sure. This year i have so far hooked up with 4 women in addition of having two long term "partners" (basically friends who i sometimes fuck) But i had these 2 for a few years now. So for this year its 4.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 12:17 PM
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I'm saying getting abs is next to impossible for someone, for example, like myself. Thats not a problem. You dont need to look like an "influencer" to be attractive. I havent had "abs" probably since the last 15 years and it hasnt hurt me one bit. A.k.a. being handsome and a sweet talker that comes with years worth of instilled confidence from constantly reassuring a person they're hot. Game has nothing to do with looks. It has everything to do with your ability to socialize. I know plenty of sh…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 12:04 PM
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But don't women have a drive to reproduce on some level as well? Yes but as i explained the desperation is not nearly the same. Women, unless they live somewhere where men are almost nonexistent do have access to "reproduction" whenever they want to. Its like you arent gonna go out hunting if you can just buy food at the store. At least the majority of people dont, they just go to the store. And in this case, the store is willing to deliver to you. Women only really get desperate if they get old…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 11:56 AM
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10th point: Cuckold detected, opinion rejected
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 11:44 AM
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A lot of guys imo are not really putting the effort in or making excuses for an unfulfilling sex life. And then there are some who i guess just cant achieve it. Monogamy can be good for your sex life, especially if the woman embraces wifely duty That would be true if they actually did.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/22 01:24 AM
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Good points. Men who sleep around aren't much better as husbands either though, as you've stated though. For sure. So I'm unsure of whether or not you're arguing in favor of this double standard. Im just saying that favouring your sexual needs seens better. I dont really see much benefit/hope in the husband schtick nowadays. I can only think of a few married guys that i take seriously and they are all older/stricter types.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/22 01:21 AM
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I actually scored estj. I guess someof it makes sense to me some does not.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/22 01:18 AM
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Im glad that you side with us, what i disagree with is that you are implying the offenses are similar. Having to care for another family/his other children IS taking away from his wife But its not taking away from anything she does for her children. As i said missing out is not the same as losing something. Men don’t force women to raise others children, but men trick women into believing they only have one family Which im not saying is a good thing. Im saying that that is not comparable to lite…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/22 12:31 AM
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I will take a look into it and see if you are right in a bit 😁
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/22 12:20 AM
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Thats not evolution though, evolution happens over millions of years. I guess you meant another word, but i get the point, no worries
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/22 12:19 AM
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Not familiar with that, what is that?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/22 12:14 AM
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Im not sure of you are trolling or if you are lowkey upset. Anyway i dont see this is as producitve so ill just let you do you and i will be on my way.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/22 12:07 AM
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Yes these groups are fairly new and are a result of social media and the net. But a lot of these issues had a beginning before the internet becoming popular. I remember pua type stuff being popular when i was young and i was into it heavy. The internet made things a lot worse but it started before that imo. The moment that anyone suggests they try to be someone that someone else wants to be with, they go nuts. Yeah im finding that out rn. If you want to have sex with hookers I personally wouldnt…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/22 12:06 AM
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Slap to a murder ..c’mon now. That is how it is. In addition to the motional damage which is the same, everything else is literally worse on the male end. How could anyone objectively say they are the same? From resources and choice (since you brought that up) perspectives it gets close How? The husband could have multiple children and the wife had no idea, so where’s the choice in that? But she doesnt have to raise those children thinking they are hers. She isnt forced to care for those childre…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 11:48 PM
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Putting sex tourism aside, it's basically decriminalized in my home country, and with the internet anyone can get in touch with a sex worker. Even in the US, anything short of literal brothels, street hooking, and human trafficking is turned a blind eye to. Really depends on the country. In a lot of places they still routinely arrest johns and sometimes prostitutes as well. So it is a viable option on some places but jot in others. The fact that almost anyone can get in touch with one is why i a…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 11:34 PM
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Thanks! Thats usually the ages most guys settle down. Settling down is less draining in some ways but in other ways more. Im in my mid 40s. Never settled down. I also have an extremely competitive personality, which i think affects how i function, with regards to work and women. Settling down is still somewhat "too slow" for my taste.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 10:44 PM
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They are not going insane from not having sex. They are. Similar behaviours are found in men who have it. Not buying it. Never met a sexually satisfied man who acted like a simp. Objectification, misogyny and whatever else aren't caused by a lack of sex. Thats not what i am talking about. How did you get there? Being promiscuous can make you more sexist yes. Its impossible not to become a bit sexist when you experience how many women are unwilling to give sex to their boyfriends and husbands but…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 10:38 PM
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Mate acquisition and retention is the last thing needed. It’s not on the base. Okay, now i see that we are going into your own ideas and fantasies again.... The last thing, above self actualization. You havent taken a look at the pyramid, have you? How is rude to not allow my partner to orgasm using my body without providing one in return? It isnt. Go get your nut girl. You sound like you believe you’re entitled to an orgasm just because consent you sex was given. I guess i do. Is that wrong? No…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 10:27 PM
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Good points. For me i dont find dealing with women draining at all. Its fun and games. Then again i dont really deal with the nagging, arguments, debates etc. Once a girl starts becoming difficult i just drop her. Miss me with that energy 🤣🤣. I agree with the rest. I also feel it is a pretty rare man that would hire escorts consistently and also put in the energy to hook up with women on and off on top of hiring escorts. You dont do both, you do one. Escorts are susually for guys who lack option…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 10:21 PM
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Hey what can I say. The most recent research/camps of thought say revisions of the pyramid are necessary due to lack of evidence. No. Maslows hierarchy of needs is taught in universities across the globe. Which means most experts view it as the stabdard for needs. These are facts. A few new age camps disagreeing is irrelevant. Where is the change? Where is the new model? Until any changes happen, this is the standard. Other opinions dont matter. Needs for adults cannot require the use of another…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 10:16 PM
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I havent yet but thanks for the idea
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 10:04 PM
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But none of that matters when it comes to the men right? Did you have any of those concerns with the caribbean men?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 10:01 PM
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Weird because men seem to survive just fine on masturbation alone. Sure. The insane simping and incel cultures must be due to covid or a solar flare or maybe aliens. Some women earn money by selling their bathtub water or bottling up their farts. But yeah dudes are fine 🤣🤣. Honest opinion, i think most young men have gone/are going mentally insane. Having more sex would benefit men immensely. I know what i know. Maybe women should start being decent human beings and acknkowledge male issues. I w…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 09:58 PM
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I dont disagree.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 09:52 PM
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The power of observation and common sense? You remember that time you figured out that those caribbean men arent being forced? Wonder how you figured that out.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 09:52 PM
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Nope. 100% cereal
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 09:49 PM
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Women are much more evolved than men. They have far better expectations generally than us. It’s not about sex. It’s about relationships generally. Once you mastered how to understand they way they think, their basic requirements - you get the gift. Women are not more evolved than men, we are the same species. Their needs are met better and more consistently than ours so they exist on a more advanced level of thinking and empowerment than most men. They also understand that its easy to control me…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 09:48 PM
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A bit hard to find nowadays. You read the comments.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 09:41 PM
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🤣🤣🤣🤣. You are cute
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 09:40 PM
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Yes and there’s thought that it may need to be revised as there isn’t much evidence to support it especially when looking across cultures. Unlikely. There are barely any men in the world who lack a sex drive. Maybe they will change it to sex (for men) since women are the ones to claim to mot need it. But lets stay with current times. A need cannot involve another person’s body. Yes it can. Lol are we playing with definitions now. Hunger pretty much involves another beings body. Plant or animal. …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 09:40 PM
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Who does decide then? Whoever is experiencing it Who is suffering from a lack of sexual experiences with others to the point it's the same as a basic need? Pretty much every person born with balls i would say 🤣🤣🤣. Its been acknowledged for a minute as well, sex is listed as a primary need in maslows hierarchy of needs. you can masturbate Its not the same. A bit of pleasure for you isn't worth hurting someone else, Dont worry nobody is hurting you, were just playing you, same as you do to us 😆
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 09:34 PM
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Ur welcome. Much appreciated!
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 09:31 PM
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Nicely done. I have never had that arrangement. I had girls who love banging for months, maybe some years. Then they dont have the same enthisiasm but want monogamy. Are defo not willing to do some quickies or bjs just to make things work. My answer was always no to monogamy because of that. Over time i switched to having 2-3 girls at a time with no commitments on any side. It works better for me. I would consider a guy lucky if he actually managed a relationship with 1 girl and was sexually sat…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 09:30 PM
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Were talking about the mens side of things.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 09:24 PM
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Thats very unlikely imo
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 09:24 PM
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My po8nt is that a significant number don't do it for those reasons. Meaning that if a man engages in sex tourism, he does so knowing there is a significant chance he is engaging in a rape. Lol. Its not that hard to differentiate. Maybe you feel differently bit I would say knowingly engaging in an act which could likely be rape isn't a viable option, even if You're sexually frustrated. Nice move. As i said before, its not hard to do research or differentiate.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 09:23 PM
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Sure buddy. Its great to me and keeps me happy.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 09:21 PM
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Strong argument. Much love
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 09:20 PM
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Crazy. Did you also know, more sex = more happiness? Crazy.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 09:20 PM
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I dont think a significant number has autism
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 09:19 PM
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As i said, it will improve mens quailty of life. Thats all the incentive you need
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 09:18 PM
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I didnt say that the wife doesnt lose much , but that it is incomparable to the husbands loss. Yes we can leave out the emotional damage and the humiliation. But look, He’s taking away his time, energy, and resources from the family he created with his wife And on the other end the husband is spending time resources and energy on a child that he wrongfully thinks is his!! Its not even his. And if he does find out, does he get it back? Where is the place of "choice" in this scenario? Come on now,…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 09:14 PM
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Maslow is the standard across colleges and universities across the world. It is where it is because it is accurate. Not much else to say there. Then you can masturbate if that’s the issue. Masturbation isnt sex. Doesnt fulfill the need. And i would argue it adds to mental danage in many cases. At best its like drinking cola instead of water most of the time. Not healthy. Not having sexual needs met is baseline for women given the orgasm gap. Thats unfortunate and women should do something about …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 09:05 PM
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Having a bit more pleasure isn't really a need though. Thats not up to you to decide though. So long as you get release, you're good. Nope. If you're not starving, food shouldn't be a priority either If you arent starving that means you are eating enough. And you shouldn't lie or trick people or otherwise morally compromise yourself to get food just because you're a bit hungry or you really want a gourmet meal. Debateable. If food becomes scarce, you can lower your standards. Im more than willin…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 08:58 PM
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Sex is a need. Its a primary need and listed on maslows hierarchy of needs, the universal standard of needs. You just see it differently because like most women not having your sexual needs met is a foreign concept to you. You won’t die without it so not providing it isn’t abuse or neglect. You will suffer mental issues from lack of sex. And restricting a man to one women, and then not taking care of his sexual needs is neglect. If you cannot take care of a mans sex drive or are not willing to, …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 08:52 PM
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If you want me to engage. Im responding to a bunch of people so if there isnt much investment i focus on other questions/comments.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 08:31 PM
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Im not playing this game with you lady 🤣. Your word games and rephrasing doesnt work on me. I made a simple comparison and we are gonna stay on topic. In general hitting your partner is abuse And in general neglecting your partners needs is abuse. There is nothing wrong with either statements. Going off road isnt gonna work. You can do that with your boyfriend, not with me. You partner’s needs don’t trump your own, hence why you’re not entitled to their body. Now we are getting somewhere. I agre…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 08:30 PM
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Lol u gotta try harder than that
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 08:25 PM
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So why are you so confident things would work out exactly as you envision? I am confident that it would improve mens quality of life. Thats all i said, there is no need to complicate things. There is currently nothing stopping men from doing what you advise….so why would/are they not? You could write a while book on that.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 08:23 PM
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Im not from the us. So u wanna discuss those terms or not interested? Im not going to discuss them if tou have no interested.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 08:21 PM
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Except there’s never a time when hitting your partner is acceptable. Really? What if your partner is about to kill you? See, two can play the if game. I told you from the start we should keep it simple. It’s not excuses it’s the simple concept that no one is entitled to another’s body That doesnt counter the fact the not taking care of your partners needs is neglect. no one is wntitled to anothers body not taking care of your partners needs is neglect Both of these can coexist. You arent stating…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 08:20 PM
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If something has that much of a hold on your mind than it is a weakness, like an addiction Would you call eating food an additiction. Would you call drinking water an addiction? No, you take care of those necessities and move on to being productive. Thats the same with sex. Sex is a necessity just like food and water, and the universal standard for needs agrees. Its known as maslows hierarchy of needs. Look it up. It's a failure of self control and self-ownership. No , being horny is no differen…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 08:15 PM
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Would there be fewer marriages and children? I would argue there would be more and more stable ones. Would men who virtue signaled or genuinely liked monogamy/commitment have higher status? If men became sexual sociopaths, would women become sociopathic in other ways? Im uncertain about those. Idk
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 08:12 PM
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Good point. You just illustrated that there are many different levels to it. Clearly not everyone is forced i to it, and plenty if women do it for the same reasons that those caribbean men do it. Im not interested in sex tourism at all. It is a viable option for men who are looking for options though.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 08:11 PM
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Nice try with the extreme example, but i will bite. He loses more because that wife isnt unknowingly raising any of them. Nor is she responsible for any of them. Nor does she have financial responsibility for any of them. A husband whose wife commits paternity fraud raises a kid thats not his unknowingly. Gets emotional attachments. Provides financially for an heir that is not his unkowingly. And if found out, may still provide child support for that child depending on where you, in addition to …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 08:07 PM
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It does not. You cannot say my statement has no nuance when you are picking a particular scenario to counterargue. I leave enough room for a statement and leave enough room for nuance. Not taking care of your partners sexual needs is neglect in the msot general sense. Just like how hitting your partner would be abuse in the most general sense. Sure there is more nuance to it. But i dont think anyone would disagree with the general statement would they? Yet when it comes to our issue, you want to…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 08:02 PM
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Haha, nice one. It already is fair game. Been that way for a while. Thats why men should get with the program.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 07:57 PM
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Being horny is not a weakness. It is a need. Fulfill it and you are productive. Not having sex is not going to kill you. The ability to walk away from sex is true strength. Sure sure. You will still be thinking about it and all the frustration will pile up mentally. Or , just do it regularly and be happy and healthy mentally.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 07:56 PM
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Thats a roundabout way to say that. Had me for a second.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 07:55 PM
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Why not engage in sex tourism?" Do you think That's all consensual? Depends on the person. You think its not consentual if european/american women go to the caribbean islands for sex tourism?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 07:54 PM
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Again sexual satisfaction is a two way street. Not disputing that. Like if I want to fuck I need to get my partner in the mood, it’s on me to elevate him to where I am. You’re not entitled to the use of your partner’s body just because. Not disputing that either. That is an if scenario. My argument is simply that in general, not taking care of your partners needs is neglect. Thats it. Your partner could be trying to turn you on. Your partner could be doing anything to satisfy you. Your partner c…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 07:53 PM
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I could be hypocritical in certain aspects but im more realistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 07:49 PM
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I honestly find it hard to comprehend that men care this much about sex, Well its not hard to comprehend that different folks have diffeent needs right? Ee are just different But to give some more context, sex for men involves competition. Women are choosy with sex and partners in general so men become competitive as a response. If we dont achieve competitive success, we wont get a chance to reproduce. Even if reproducing isnt what we are thinking that is where the drive comes from. So its basic…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 07:48 PM
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How do you steal for sex? And lying, cheating and stealing are what you consider "unethical"? You could have started there thats a lot more specific.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 07:41 PM
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And you think incels aren't prioritizing their sexual needs to the point of becoming these jittery horny little cretins who can't think of anything else and whose entire world revolves around how they are not getting any sex precisely because women are repulsed by weasels who think with their dick? Thats not my argument, friend. Incels are that way because they dont get it. But all men desire sex. We all have it on a list of priorities. You can put it ln top of the list when you get sex constant…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 07:39 PM
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Autism contributes to it, but i dont think the incels as a group suffer from autism. Improbable. They may have underdeveloped social skills but that can be improved.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 07:37 PM
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Well i heard plenty of women who joke about it as if it is nothing and couldnt comprehend living in a "western system" where a man does have the option to leave then because he isnt sexually satisfied. Ckearly your sample is very different from mine. So you painting it with a negative brush doesnt mean anything. Also, women in the 1950s report higher happiness than women today. Take that as you will. It’s not a form of neglect. Yes it is. Sex is a two way street so if one partner wants it, then …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 07:35 PM
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Incels would cease to exist, simpish behavioir would cease to exist, certain industries would be destroyed, and men would overall be a lot more productive and actively participate in society. Women would potentially become much better negotiators for one. Women want relationships more than men. So they would figure out how to get a relationship and monogany from a man by keeping him happy. So , practically a return to the traditional system. On my end, the effects would be welcomed. But i can li…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 07:32 PM
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Men who prioritize their sexual needs are called incels Wrong. The neaning of incel is involuntarily celibate. You can google what that means to clear any further conclusions. I suggest men would do better to prioritize self-actualization Self actualization comes much higher in the hierarchy of needs. You cannot "self actualize" before fulfilling your needs for sex. It is impossible.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 07:28 PM
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Um neither. Wrong answer. The correct answer is women. Women can commit paternity fraud due to their anatomy. Men are not able to. You seem to think women should be faithful because they can get pregnant, that isn't the way life works. I am well aware that thats not how it works, im just pointing out why men take it a lot more seriously. We have more to lose. Things that you couldnt comprehend.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 07:25 PM
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Literally, basically impossible Far from it. With some effort and consistency , anyone can do it. It just depends on whether you want to actually change or just vent about your situation. Thats the only difference. If you think hard work is "unrealistic" then i cant help you though. Not everyone starts on the same level, but everyone plays the same game. What other source? R*pe? Game. Condoms don't work for STD's transmited through the pubic hairs rubbing up on one another Thats a risk you would…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 07:23 PM
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Hearing stories from whom? From groups who are hellbent on pushing their propaganda against "the patriarchy" and against traditional marriage? Sure. There are more unbiased views on this. Not having sex with your partner isn’t neglect. You are taking another if scenario. If sex may not be feasible. Im talking in general. In general, not satisfying your partners sexual needs is a form of neglect.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 07:15 PM
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Thats a heavy downplaying of the issue. Let me ask you which gender is capable of paternity fraud and which is not. Its pretty straightforward and should be easy enough to answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 07:11 PM
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The r word and grooming. Of what i can think of rn. Both of those are illegal anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 07:10 PM
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Men already do this though, this isn't some revelation You would be surprised actually. Society doesnt cater to sexual needs of men. Society caters to the sexual gaze of men, because its an easy, cheap way to make money. Society really isnt doing anything for the sexual needs of men. If so, how come prostitution is still illegal in most countries? Why are incels becoming a thing? Porn, OF, and most of those channel, cater to the male gaze. They dont satisfy mens sexual needs. They profit off of …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 07:08 PM
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Most men don't have access to sex They should change that. And most men aren't willing to risk STD's and social shame from an escort. See now that is a problem. Either find another source then, or wear condoms and learn to ignore social pressures. And you are simplifying the marriage stuff. If you head over to the dead bedrooms subreddit you can find more nuance to the topic.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 07:04 PM
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I'm pretty sure that the idea of sexual needs as a basic need is sexual release, not sexual intercourse. Masturbation reportedly does not achieve the level of satisfaction felt by actual sex. There are enough studies on this. Should be easy to confirm. And quite frankly, if sex is a priority in your life you should probably get better priorities Thats really no different from saying that if food is a priority in your life, you should probably get better priorities. Everyone eats. Its important f…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 07:02 PM
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Getting duty sex because of religion isn’t much better than just using rape. Its not the same. And you are not acknowledging the difference in cultures and times that affect how people percieve these things. I may as well say that taling care of your husbands needs wouldnt be seen as any more of an inconvenience than washing the dishes. Neither of us know the actual perception so lets not put negative or positive connotations to them. I only brought this up to demonstrate that times have changed…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 06:59 PM
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Thats quite vague tbh. You havent left much there for me to debate.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 06:56 PM
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There have never been legal repercussions for men who cheat, Says who? Adultery laws in a lot of places applied for everyone. Well, everyone except the rich and powerful. Also, i think it would be common sense that there is a bigger issue with female adultery than male adultery. Something something pregnancy. The effect of adultery and the damage done is clearly not the same for both genders. So whatever double standards that did exist, did have justification to them. Look, you are free to screw…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 06:54 PM
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Alright, thats your choice then.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 06:50 PM
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Okay then by your logic women should also be allowed to get sex from multiple people Obviously. If it so happens that a girl im seeing is only interested in me thats that. But otherwise i have no expectations and wouldnt be surprised if she sees other guys. Its no issue for me. Stop being upset about cheating, she's just fullfiling her needs. Hypergamy? Just making sure her needs get taken care of. These things are already happening whether im upset or not. Im indifferent. Don't leave your partn…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 06:50 PM
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Commitment in the form of a marriage didn’t “secure” sex unless you participated in marital rape Wrong. This is misguided feminist-groupthink. There were no more people who did it back then than currently. And the societal changes havent eliminated those issues in the least. Commitment through marriage secured sex because it limited sex between married couples through social pressures and religion taught women to satisfy their men sexually. Their approach to sex and monogamy was very different f…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 06:46 PM
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it even worth it Absolutely. But now you have the experience. After the first time it should get easier. If you feel your previous methods are too difficult , you could change your approach. The point is that the frustration of sexlessness isnt gonna go away because it still is a need for all of us. So there is nothing wrong with pursuing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 06:41 PM
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You are implying that. I am willing to do whatever is ethical by my standards.I dont know what your standards are. Thats why i am asking you what is unethical by your standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 06:39 PM
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Yes we do this. And it is simple. But it does take time and effort. And experience. Some guys will have to seek different methods. Some guys will have to lower their standards. But whatever you choose, if you make it a priority, it will happen. And i dont mean obsessing over it, but actually making a realistic plan to get there. Prostitution and sex tourism are expensive. Getting enough financial security to engage in that takes time. But learning game and learning to seduce women better also ta…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 06:36 PM
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And what is "unethical" ? Its not unethical to seek different means to get food if you are starving right? Its not unethical for a company to have multiple suppliers for security is it? So why is it unethical for a man to have multiple women or multiple methods to satisfy his sexual needs? I will tell you something. Me being selfish about my sexual desires and making them a priority has significantly improved my mental and emotional states and has made my life much more fulfilling. I have zero r…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 06:34 PM
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Sexless guys who cant get a date shouldnt try to date multiple women, they should first try to get to a place where they can have sex or learn to seduce women. Whatever it takes. Make it a priority, and it will happen eventually. What i am asking is for men in general to make sex a priority.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 06:29 PM
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Listen man, its pretty simple. The more you improve, the more options you have. Regardless of where you start, things ONLY get better as you get better. Yeah if you have decent options then you dont need to work on yourself. But you would have more options if you did. If you dont have options the only way is to work on yourself. And thats the demographic that the "movement" is appealing to you. Making more money doesnt get you less women it gets you more women. Getting a better physique doesnt g…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 02:59 PM
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Always have been. Firm but gentle. Works wonders 😁
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 12:55 PM
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idc. like i said. i’m very happy being alone instead of having a marriage where sex is everything. i pay my bills and entertain myself just fine. Thats good. Being happy with yourself is a good foundation to start. It took some time for me to understand this when i was younger. many barely do domestic duties men who give women genuine attention are like good rare men out of fairy tales. and typically that sex life is good. you vastly overestimate men Well, i can only talk for myself. I dont know…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 12:46 PM
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The perfect way to put it!
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 12:31 PM
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I find it funny that this is news to women. Some women, i guess. Traditional women understand this. Modern women dont because they are fed lies and delusions about how relations between men and women work. i’d rather my man just tell me he’s not in the mood to give me attention than give me false energy. Youd do that for a few days, maybe weeks, maybe months. Eventually you wont be able to take it anymore. Every man who is in a long term relationship or marriage past present and future will do t…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 02:21 AM
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i can entertain myself. Would be pretty boring otherwise, wouldnt it? i enjoy sex but if my man doesn’t even want to attempt to turn me on, why should i do this “chore” for him? This is a pessimistic take. Why does your man not want to attempt to turn you on, in general he should like that too. Thats not the point. The point is that a mans sexual needs are higher than a woman and a woman should learn to also do sex as a chore, additionally. Even if you arent in the mood you should be willing to …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 09:27 PM
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Their numbers are as varies as ours. There are some with 0, 16 and 100+
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 09:19 PM
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Nobody owes anyone sex. Actually yes, you do. Its just that modern women have forgotten that sex is basically also a chore to satisfy their partner. Instead they think that sex is something that should only be engaged in when they are in the mood for it. That doesnt workout because most mens sex drives are much higher than a womans sex drive. Withholding sex is no deifferent from a man withholding love or attention to his woman. Maybe he doesnt feel like paying attention to you. Maybe there are …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 08:51 PM
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In my experience, the biggest sluts have been girls who are average or big girls. The hot/ petite/ in shape girls generally have too high standards to achieve those huge bodycounts.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 04:24 PM
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True
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 03:57 PM
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Aw jeez, Those arent mutually exclusive. If she has been with 500 guys what are the chances that none of them are better than you?? Not that it matters because by then she has already long become undateable anyway. But i do agree that you should either be the best or not be with her. Its actually not too far from if you arent the only, you shouldnt be with her. There is nothing better than a woman who is a virgin. They will treat you better than any other woman. Even if you are overall "better" …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 03:40 PM
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Agreed. About a quarter to possibly half of modern western women are fuckboys. There is actually more of them than of us.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 03:27 PM
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Those are not mutually exclusive 🤣🤣🤣
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 03:24 PM
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Women in committed relationships, in my opinion: should be loyal should dress, walk, and act modestly should try to avoid instigating drama and violence, this requires a certain level of self awareness should try to make their mans life easier and not harder (also related to previous point) Most women cannot switch off previous behaviours and just become like this all of a sudden. They need to practice these behaviours and develop habits around them already before they get together with a man. O…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 02:54 PM
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Same as what we do. Get in a guy's head. Make him think about you. Now how to go about it, idk. I only know how to get women. Men are very different and idk how to one would go about it. Its better to ask the girls for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/22 06:29 PM
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Maybe its time to brush up on some girl game. No disrespect but a lot of girls nowadays have no game either. Many do the bare minimum and expect the guy to carry the show. Some game can make it easier to keep a guy around ,even without sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/22 05:44 PM
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Well the thoughts go to your brain as well. Its up to you do to what you want. Its not too late.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/22 05:28 PM
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You sound like you want to explore some more 😏
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/22 05:25 PM
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I still think it would be a bad idea to do it on yout teens. But im looking a long way back. Back then i felt very different. And i was very impatient about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/22 05:22 PM
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Not a big loss, but you have to admit it's extremely distracting and frustrating. Well, obviously. I wanted to bang every hot teacher and like 80% of the girls in class since i was 13 or 14. The frustration stays until you finally do it. But thats not as bad as being a teen dad/ teen mom or getting into a relationship with someone you dont like.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/22 04:02 PM
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So from reading this i would say that you made it rather easy for your friend. Of course this was only because you knew him very well. He most likely still had to do some work to turn you on, but comparatively i wouldnt say it was difficult for gim. But to be honest, for most guys its never this easy. Especially if they are in the friendzone. They could probably go their entire life without sleeping with the girl if they dont try. Tbh, even a lot of guys in relationships also wouldnt get laid if…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/22 03:31 PM
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He didn't have to figure anything out. I told him myself, directly and honestly. It made having sex easier for both of us, which is what I desperately wanted So he basically waited for you to make the first move? Also true, although in my case it meant being a virgin for longer than I wanted. Thats not a big loss, i would say, all things considered.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/22 03:18 AM
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I think you misunderstand. It being a game doesnt mean we dont care. I guess you saw it that way because i also used "playing you" in the more traditional sense. Thats my fault. When i first meant we treat it as a game , im just talking about the mental gymnastics we will go through to figure out how to get a girl aroused or into the bed. Every guy does that. Regardless of what his intentions are. Good or bad. Worse or evil. Its part of the program, no man is exempt from it. Its a trial and erro…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/22 02:56 AM
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I dont need to know every persons feelings or thoughts to understand their basic humanity. And please let us not go to virtue signalling i have no interest in partaking. Being designed to do something means you naturally will do it without anyone telling you to. Its in your nature. No one needs to teach birds how to fly. No one needs to teach a lion how to hunt. They do it because its in their dna to do so. We are also designed to eat food. Maybe in 50 years or 500 years we will have technology …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/22 02:42 AM
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You dont see it as a game, you are the woman. You can see it any way you like. But this is actually the reason why its sometimes hard for even experienced women to differentiate a guy being in love with them from a guy who just wants to hit and quit. Because if the guy is an experienced player the woman will not be able to identify the passion coming from the man for what it actually is. And just to let you know the best players are not pick up artists who you can spot from a mile away. That bei…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/22 02:31 AM
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Lol you dont have to agree with me here. Go to third world countries and remote villages and listen to how they view family. You'd feel better if you admitted to yourself that you dont want kids due to being selfish. Rather than the generic "oh i dont want them", "raising kids isnt for everyone". Almost every human was designed to be able to do it. Its okay to be selfish. We live in a society that actively promotes it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/22 02:19 AM
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That is beside the point. Men treat sex as a game because it is. There is nothing straightforward about getting a woman into the bedroom.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/22 02:12 AM
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Every living being has an interest in reproducing. The only reason why people in our day dont want to have kids is because we are incredibly selfish. Selfish to the extend that we dont even want to have to deal with our own offspring. I dont have kids and i accept that it is because im selfish. Its also why i never married any woman i have been with, never even truly committed to any woman. Because i am selfish. People who say other things are just denying this and making excuses. Everyone wants…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/22 02:09 AM
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Let me guess: you are a woman. You have to do and say the exactly right things in order to have sex with their bodies" Every man thinks like that at first. Because thats how it is. Unlike women, we cant just walk up to you and ask for it or demand it. Its a game that we have to play to get there. And most will make mistakes before getting it right. Sure, once you get it right and get used to it, you no longer feel that way. But assuming that at least a decent % of men here are younger and are st…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/22 02:01 AM
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True, but back then they did. Lack of contraception isnt the reason they had so many kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/22 01:55 AM
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The point is that i disagree with the " people didnt want kids" narrative.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/22 01:48 AM
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I would stay at home or go suck dick for money over ever marry a man just for a roof over my head and have his babies." The majority of women disagree though. That would be an option for them, back then too and they chose to marry a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/22 12:44 AM
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I agree that we wont agree with each other going over this. It is a simplified version of the whole picture but i would bore you if i were to write out every point that i think matters, and it would be a waste of both our time. Cheers 🥂
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/22 11:43 PM
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Height is "kind of" a big deal. Im 6'1" and have enjoyed the benefits of being tall for sure. It makes approach and interactions a bit easier. It certainly helps my confidence too. But there are guys, especially when i was younger who were shorter but had better game and were more naturally charismatic who pulled more than i ever did. I agree with the OP, that height is only one factor. Personally i dont think anything beats game. But that being said , there is a difference with being around 5'8…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/22 11:39 PM
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Power is relative and always changing indeed. But the problem with simping is that you give power to the woman over the relationship dynamic itself. And that is the biggest problem. And i guarantee you, from decades of experience with dozens of women, i have never met a single woman who actually enjoys the company of a man who has less power than her in the relationship. Maybe for a few days, a few months, a few years. But never long term. There is a reason why most religions adviced wives to ob…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/22 11:30 PM
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Do you disagree with me on women not being attracted to guys who have less power than them?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/22 11:03 PM
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Simping is exactly what women think they want and what they dont actually want. In real life simping slowly saps away any respect a woman would have for you otherwise and lands you in the "cheatzone". This is the spot where you can easily be replaced by another man if and when your girls decides she wants someone of higher value. This is one of those things where all i can do is smh at how women are so oblivious to their own nature and how guys have bought into the disney movie/romcom fantasy so…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/22 10:59 PM
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If you want children its good. Ideal, even. But if you dont want kids, i dont see any benefit it it. Middle aged man here, who has never been married and doesnt think if it as a loss.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/22 10:51 PM
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I could buy it with the instathots. But i dont buy it for onlyhoes. There is no way someone is that much of a simp, pays money for pics and videos, and then turns around and complains. Why would they do that. I would believe with with the instathots. People love to complain about stuff that is free. As for what work they should do? Construction could be a good start. Thats how you learn the value of hard work and patience.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/22 03:02 PM
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Look man, why do you guys care so much about women calling men insecure. They will do that whenever they see something they dont like. Its the internet. My body count is in the triple digits. And i think any girl that has been with multiple men is a ho. It is what it is. I dont care what they make of that. I dont care if that makes me a hypocrite. Just do your thing, dont try to convince people, they arent gonna change their mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/22 07:28 PM
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Promiscuity is the main problem though. I have not known one promiscuous woman who is loyal. Make of that what you want.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/22 07:19 PM
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Power. Power is the ultimate representation of masculinity. Why do you guys think women still associate men with having power, men with being in control etc, when in modern day western society that is arguably not the case anymore. Its because power is so intertwined with the idea of maaculinity. A feminine looking prince is way more powerful that well built soldier or warrior and therefore will get more attraction from women, period. Wether you like it or not, celebrities are basically the new …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/22 06:54 PM
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If you are going by ONLY physical attraction, then i agree, much fewer men are attractive at first glance. Thats why online dating pretty much sucks for men. But if you get a chance to let your words and charisma shine through, that switches up the meta quite a bit. I dont know if it would "level things out" but it definitely changes things.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/22 06:47 PM
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I got 14.7% 2/5 redpills 😅😅. Sounds about right. Im not from the us. But irl i am also attracted to around 1 in 6 or 7 women.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/22 06:24 PM
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I think people dont want to talk about things that they cant change. And women dont want to appear shallow. What else is new? Your face matters, so does size. But its not the end all-be all for attraction. Attraction from a woman has to do a lot more than just the physical part and as a man, you dont have to tick off all the boxes to become attractive. You can influence a lot through game. Especially if you are good at getting inside a womans head. Women do prefer men who are bigger and stronger…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/22 06:12 PM
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Im 6'2" and never got around to the online dating nonsense. Obviously no woman ever felt the need to ask my height as they can see me. But if i was ever asked my height online in a dating platform id ask her how phat that ass is. No issue, just the same energy.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/22 04:12 PM
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No they are not similar to us at all. Well except for having the similarities that all people have. As a guy who has been around the block, you will rarely ever meet a woman a woman who has the same sex drive that you have. The only time women have sex drives similar to us is during the initial stages of a relationship ( where attraction and excitement is at an all time high), if she has baby fever (for obvious reasons) or if she is cheating with you (on her man, not cheating ON you). In a long …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/22 04:04 PM
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Since when is turning the other cheek equality? If you want equality, you should treat them as they treat you. Not stating any counterdemands after women state their demands just makes you a weak negotiator. When women ask for your height and you dont respond with the same energy, that makes you a doormat. They will never respect you. And worse, you are enabling their behaviour.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/22 03:38 PM
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One of the big reasons men dont have power is because we cant come together to lead our communities. Anywhere, in any place where men come together, we hold power. This holds true from business to criminal organizations. The moment we allowed outside forces to disband us and isolate us, we lost. Pretty much all "male spaces" have been invaded and compromised. We are all just lone wolves now, doing our own thing. Most men would rather betray our group to win favour with women nowadays. Calling th…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/22 03:30 PM
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Once again, not even remotely buying that.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/22 03:02 PM
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You may think that but thats not what i see. I dont see you younger men checking women the way we used to do. And it shows with how they behave towards you. Most younger guys are not doing the bare minimum. There is a time and place for empathy, but not here.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/22 03:02 PM
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This. Exactly this right here. I have been explaining this concept in another thread with the same analogy and now this pops up 🤣. I do feel bad for op though, as he fell for the whole "to get x, you need to be like x" schtick, instead of seeing it as it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/22 04:14 AM
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Because skin tight clothes and exposing your booty is " comfortable" for workouts. Dont bring up that bs to us old dogs. Just because the younger boys dance to your nonsense doesnt mean that they buy it and the rest of us most definitely dont. Dont insult my intelligence.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/22 03:47 AM
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Im glad i never attempted online dating😅. I grew up at a time where guys ran their game on girls irl. Face to face. If a girl ever asked me that id ask her how big her booty is. These girls have no game anymore. Tbh most guys also dont develop good game anymore. But if you did, id guarantee you that you will have more eventful interactions than "whats your height"?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/22 03:31 AM
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2 lefts can teach idiots how to be decent. If women want men to be respectful, they need to treat men with respect as well. You are not the asshole for being petty back, they are the asshole. You young men need to be more strict with women and hold them accountable. You are the same generation of guys who complains about women the most, but you are very much contributing to this problem by allowing them to treat you this way. Check them.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/22 03:17 AM
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No, we need to be petty back, so that women learn how to be decent.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/22 03:00 AM
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Alcohol just lowers your inhibitions. And severely lowers your standards. The only times i fucked fat chicks was when i was drunk.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/22 02:24 AM
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Because that's the most comfortable clothing for lifting 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Not even remotely buying that
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/22 02:10 AM
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These women dont come to the gym to work out. They come for easy attention. I used to hit on them and try to hookup but the success rate was quite low and i have pretty good game otherwise, so im thinking they are just looking for attention. It can be distracting depending on how horny i am at the moment. Its one of the reasons i quit commercial gyms and set up a home gym. Came in perfectly handy when covid hit.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/22 01:55 AM
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This is exactly the issue. Simps will try to drag down any guy with any level of self respect. Dont be friends with simps and dont even hang around those losers. Hang around men who are successful (with women and otherwise).
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/22 11:26 PM
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