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No it's just that they, like all human beings, sometimes do think about and want sex. However, they can get as much of it as they want, from essentially the hottest males in their social circle. This is especially true when they're young, and so that lesson is their first and enduring lesson about life which takes the rude awakening of the wall to correct. If thirsty whore were jumping on your dick whenever you felt in the mood, and they also bought you things and were nice to you, then you too …
/r/MGTOW26/02/18 02:23 PM
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thanks
/r/MGTOW23/02/18 02:06 AM
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Male liars I know of are more cold and calculating, stoically self-entitled and mathematically hedonistic. Women seem to have a different kind of way about it.
/r/MGTOW23/02/18 02:05 AM
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Maybe, but men I know who are huge lying false-reality sociopath serial cheaters are cold ass calculating hedonists. I'm sure some women are like that, but it's hard to see that that's what's going in for most women. Instead, I think it just sort of seems fun and natural to conceal meanings and so forth.
/r/MGTOW23/02/18 02:05 AM
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Yeah, either the juice isn't worth the squeeze, or... it's not worth the squeeze. But, if you're going to go after sex, keep in mind what you're getting. It's not love not ever. Maybe some BS primal satisfaction, maybe tickling your reptile brain a little. Winning a fun little game. Not love.
/r/MGTOW22/02/18 02:49 PM
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Yeah, like, they might have to, you know, go a couple months without sex, struggle with sets of non-starters, and maybe after a year get the privilege of being someone's emotional tampon with occasional sex. Imagine that hell. Yeah, white women, get out of Japan.
/r/MGTOW22/02/18 05:11 AM
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Thx. In truth she was hinting that she had either cheated before, or was likely to cheat very soon (she must have been very sexually thirsty). I didn't want to be the one to not have sex with a girl in my bed who wanted it, who was hot, and was probably going to cheat anyway because "muh morals". She's not even married, just in a young love relationship where neither has much life experience.
/r/MGTOW18/02/18 05:25 PM
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She was about to do it anyway. All I did was jump to the front of the line. Jokes on him for thinking his hot girlfriend would be out of town for months and stay loyal. Sadly, that's the redpill. I'm trying to learn whether I can be involved with a woman and remain emotionally detached. Probably, in the end, not. So a good education for me. The cardinal rule is that if you deal with women you face the consequences whatever they might be.
/r/MGTOW18/02/18 02:51 AM
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Doesn't matter.
/r/MGTOW18/02/18 02:49 AM
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Yeah she probably will go back to her hometown and then find someone new. That's her 'dillemma'.
/r/MGTOW17/02/18 11:43 PM
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Yeah I have to admit how fucking lucky I was to bang a solid 9, with such little effort, even though she has a boyfriend (girls this hot inevitably will have one most of the time). I have to acknowledge now that I may very well never have sex with her again. I think she wants to stay friends, and I have to balance how much I want to spend time with her (she is fun), versus how much time I'll waste orbiting her because muh feelz. Set boundaries. I suppose a good standard would be if she throws in…
/r/MGTOW17/02/18 11:00 PM
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And what they might have to give, they squander away lusting for status (that is, the deep intense trust that comes from sexual intimacy and a life with another person - but of course they only want your trust, while they want it)
/r/MGTOW15/02/18 08:31 PM
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Great point on drugs btw. The only reason I've never smoked pot. I never had it so I can't miss it. Sure, I could "just try it", to "just find out what it's like out of curiosity". But then my brain will know it, and can want it. It's impossible to want at the moment.
/r/MGTOW15/02/18 05:18 AM
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I think it's about timing. Game is just a set of mind tricks to help you play the timing game.
/r/MGTOW14/02/18 08:50 PM
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And they're willing to wait for their one night with Chad so they can be a certified alpha widow. They don't need sex except that one time, in some senses.
/r/MGTOW14/02/18 05:49 PM
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If it was socially acceptable and attention getting, women would literally eat shit. Somebody call 4chan, I want this to happen.
/r/MGTOW14/02/18 05:26 PM
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But this is assuming the woman actual responds and doesn't just ghost you and then act shocked when you insist that you want an actual answer to you question. "Oh I didn't even realize that I was giving a signal that I was at all interested."
/r/MGTOW14/02/18 05:25 PM
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I'm glad you mentioned the "office ladies" (I was thinking that most inane car ads seem geared towards them). I genuinely feel bad for these lard-ass beta females. Genuinely. They have no hope, and unlike men, less agency. I think one partial path to transcend redpill rage as a MGTOW is to recognize that hypergamy and feminism genuinely ruins the lives of women as well. When the muslims or gangs take over, women better get ready for a for-real rape culture. Gone will be the days of a slightly le…
/r/MGTOW14/02/18 05:18 PM
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True, I wasn't suggesting that WE start having a bunch of daughters to fix the problem. I was just saying that a lot of female problems come from blue pill culture messing with their heads too.
/r/MGTOW14/02/18 03:17 PM
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Maybe my message is more towards tradcon dads. They would tend to put daughters on pedestal. No man, treat them like sons with vaginas, tell them how the world works.
/r/MGTOW14/02/18 03:16 PM
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Make a video with documented evidence of your experience. Those really do go a long way to help others wake up.
/r/MGTOW10/02/18 12:55 AM
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The main difference between this and Weinstein is that he at least gave away favors for sex. Women are just entitled to it.
/r/MGTOW09/02/18 05:10 AM
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Should be brought up every time.
/r/MGTOW09/02/18 12:16 AM
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I think the darkest tragedy of the redpill is just how unaware women are of themselves, when their behavior is so obvious.
/r/MGTOW09/02/18 12:11 AM
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Yeah, imagine if you got her pregnant. Worst case scenario even if you already have kids. A woman has to be pretty shitty for a man to not even want it. Or maybe she's set her pussy up like the high jump competition, and even though she's desperate she basically still refuses to make it easier for him.
/r/MGTOW08/02/18 11:54 PM
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Like I said, I don't act the way she does. I was pretty surprised when I found out she had actually been eavesdropping on my conversation. Her jumping back could be because of her sexual reluctance and reticence concerning me. Or not. I just don't know. I'm not trying to microanalyze, I'm looking for perspective. Dudes with experience might say, "yeah, I've noticed that, it's girls who are nervous because they're into you." Or not. That's why I'm in this sub asking. Don't GAF about hidden tricks…
/r/askTRP07/02/18 01:23 AM
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I think you're right, she does have a sort of airhead personality. It's just that I don't jump when people calmly ask for my attention, and don't miss what's in my periphery. So it's hard to related.
/r/askTRP06/02/18 09:00 PM
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Sex shouldn't be a requirement to get service from low status beta slaves. Hot, high status guys should be forced to fuck medium to low status women like me. So what if I'm 300 lbs, sex is an emotional right and denying it to people is abuse and if I don't get it from the people I want then that's a disability. I care about children, grown betas are trash and should just die. Why do these losers keep acting like they can just play and be happy and things? What about me? The 20% won't fuck below …
/r/MGTOW06/02/18 05:28 AM
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As a MGTOW, things I'm okay with: Girl asks me out and arranges all the details while I sit there flustered. Girl picks me up and works hard to think of fun and interesting things while pretending to share my interests, even after I made her wait 15 minutes while I finished getting ready. Girl takes me to food I didn't know about, and helps me order, paying at the end. Girl buys me drinks. Girl takes me home and begins undressing me and aggressively trying to suck my dick before riding it. She m…
/r/MGTOW06/02/18 05:24 AM
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Her "classic" reply is the biggest red pill in the story. Female solidarity in their game of manipulation is as essential as the manipulation itself. Understand that and you know the truth of the world.
/r/MGTOW06/02/18 05:20 AM
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Basically, she liked him, but in her mind was still working him into her talons and so was shocked he flew before she could make a game of it.
/r/MGTOW06/02/18 05:15 AM
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I. Don't. Even. Need. You.
/r/MGTOW06/02/18 05:14 AM
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I don't see how a person can be debunked. Kind of sounds like ad hominem. CC is a left wing issue, and I've noticed a pattern with left wing political issues and its to be very selective about evidence. To take a few flaws with an issue of the opposition and use that to permanently discredit all they say while simultaneously taking a single out of context data point and using to to justify an entire ideology. It's tiresome. "Well you see this oil-funded crank's one sentence disagrees with our ta…
/r/MGTOW06/02/18 02:43 AM
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By the way, satellite sea level and temperature show no catastrophic trends. Yet, local, limited, discrete ground thermometers, and discrete buoys in select locations produce data that - when "adjusted" - show accelerating temperature and sea level rise. Ask yourself, which type of dataset would be more comprehensive, and which more subject to sampling bias (particular if the scientists are ideological and malicious).
/r/MGTOW05/02/18 03:37 PM
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So, you link to a NASA - who are the ones fabricating the data, and have offered no real explanation or justification for doing so beyond "trust us we don't take oil money" - PR blast about "consensus". Why don't you read the actual data and conclusions, and see if your side has an actual rebuttal and not ad hominem: https://wattsupwiththat.com/2018/02/04/the-fantasy-of-accelerating-sea-level-rise-just-got-hosed/ Sea level is rising, it has been rising, since before industrial times. But it's no…
/r/MGTOW05/02/18 03:35 PM
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Shown means shown. You can look at the studies yourself. You can read both sides' rebuttals. How can you possibly justify the adjustments being made by GISS of the ground temperature record. It's the most blatant exercise of scientific fraud. Or are oil companies faking the satellite data somehow? Are they paying GISS scientists to engage in clear chicanery? Are they in control of everything?
/r/MGTOW05/02/18 02:33 AM
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The US military has made that assessment in accordance with a politicized directive, using as evidence studies that have been shown to have poor sampling methodology. NASA is one of the two agencies on Earth creating the fraudulent studies which are behind the idea of global warming. Same agenda as feminism: less power for individuals, more for connected institutions and those who are connected to those institutions.
/r/MGTOW05/02/18 12:49 AM
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The white feathers were the feminists. Imagine that! Feminism more about exercising female power over men and less about equality.
/r/MGTOW04/02/18 06:18 AM
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Women sabotage male efforts to solve problems that wars exist as the last resort for solving. If men could just "tough love" difficult social situations, war would never be needed. But women sabotage the tough love and then the problems themselves lead to the wars. Also, women are always more violent than men when the physical safety of their family is perceived to be at threat. They don't have a concept of "acceptable level of risk" the way men do.
/r/MGTOW04/02/18 06:18 AM
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what country/region are you from?
/r/MGTOW03/02/18 06:29 AM
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What was that theory that a man's sperm of every man fucked reencodes the genetics/mixes with the genetics of the woman's future kids? Maybe these kids are schizo?
/r/MGTOW03/02/18 06:23 AM
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Mods pls get on this!
/r/MGTOW03/02/18 05:45 AM
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No dilly dilly for me but I'm drinking a Backwoods Pecan Pie Porter in your honor my brother!
/r/MGTOW03/02/18 05:00 AM
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Yeah, a universe where magic time travel gods exist and also NAWALT unicorns. Then again, most of the other women besides "the one" depicted even in this movie were kind of AWALT.
/r/MGTOW02/02/18 06:09 PM
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Well, it's because it's a blue pill hyper fantasy. Seriously, it does a great job of tugging the blue pill heart strings. A girl who understands a man so completely because she's lived as him, and loves him so much to help him get with another girl. This same girl having no real interest in men or social status, but devoted to family and community duty with magical feminine powers. She's connected to him across time and death by magic, and that connection defies time and space in the end. And th…
/r/MGTOW02/02/18 06:08 PM
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We need a meme that juxtaposes each of these against a guy calling out a girl for not owing him sex.
/r/MGTOW02/02/18 02:36 PM
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Thank you. This exactly. Male love is so much deeper and more aspiration. But frankly, that's not a good thing. It makes us kind of pathetic in a way.
/r/MGTOW02/02/18 02:33 PM
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It's about setting the pace, not too slow, consistent motion, not too fast. The woman will try to mess up the pace, but they're barely even know their own bodies beyond the ones that fuck it up by trying to finger themselves during the deed.
/r/MGTOW02/02/18 12:46 AM
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Women will 100% focus on sex as if their life depended on it when it's Mr. Right they're fucking.
/r/MGTOW02/02/18 12:34 AM
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Right, because they don't want to get into emotional commitment with the guy.
/r/MGTOW02/02/18 12:33 AM
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There's a theory that the cervix dips deeper into the vagina cavity during orgasm, picking up sperm. Going with the scoop of the penis head theory, multiple men are fucking and leaving their sperm in a woman. The idea is for the woman to have her cervix press into the sperm of the guy who's genes she really wants - again, evolution wants status, but status is unclear especially out of a tribal context.
/r/MGTOW02/02/18 12:33 AM
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But an addendum to this is that what they want and need is for you to be better. If you could magically do something to jack up your status they'd appreciate it - and it is possible to do - but they don't want to help they just want it to happen. They want you to be "good enough" when that's nothing but an idiotic game in their heads.
/r/MGTOW02/02/18 12:30 AM
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Mostly it's because the best way for a woman to get orgasm from coitus alone is time. And women always want a guy to go faster, even though that doesn't make her come closer to orgasm any quicker, and makes him finish sooner. In my experience, if you rebuff the woman and frustrate her by taking your time, and if you can last a really long time and mix it up so she doesn't quit from boredom, that's the best way to get a dick caused orgasm (unless you're massive and can pound the g-spot for real).…
/r/MGTOW02/02/18 12:27 AM
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I will die alone and I accept that. Big deal. I will not have kids When you accept this, and that death and pain are inevitable and unavoidable, then every endeavor becomes a delight and a triumph. The theory of "good relationships" is essentially this: that a man is supposed to already be at this point, and the woman wiggles her way into his life despite his best efforts to avoid her. She does this by being a sufficient help meet.
/r/MGTOW01/02/18 08:37 PM
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This is why we need not just legalized freelance prostitution, but commercialized sex work. A good manager can get the right balance between the girls knowing how to be good actors, and squeezing just a bit more cash out of a guy in return. The girls are then brought into a paradigm where they don't have to make up their own product, but rather the "entrepreneurial" thought (from years of trial and error) has been put into the concept of the sex work. She basically has two duties: to learn the c…
/r/MGTOW01/02/18 07:38 PM
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It's literally not safe to marry in Canada. That's for sure.
/r/MGTOW01/02/18 03:30 PM
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Deal, I won't be nice anymore.
/r/MGTOW31/01/18 12:10 AM
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Man, when Anita Sark did her first video, I recall the shitshow online. The predictions that this kind of politics would ruin games and we were called haters and crazy. But we were right! It worked out exactly as we said! No wonder gamergate happened. And, sure, we "get" the response to gamergate. Let's not kid ourselves though, anti-GG is bullies and misandrists who don't care about the quality of games. Bioware - this is a betrayal. Goodbye fuckers. Take your shitty Destiny clone somewhere els…
/r/MGTOW30/01/18 05:14 PM
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When Jesus said the meek will inherit the Earth, and blessed are the poor, he unfortunately did not mean that ugly simple women would be humble and gracious thanks to their position. Unfortunately, they're shrill and neurotic. But I'm grateful for them - no chameleon effect here!
/r/MGTOW30/01/18 05:12 PM
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I respect anyone who's obviously in it for the money. And she exists because idiots have paid. Though, her snark at the end betrayed a little fear on her part.
/r/MGTOW30/01/18 03:31 AM
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I suppose that in a way marriage was a way of making room for sexual desire within a larger context. Marriage was about more than romance, and so even two people who fall in and out of love over the course of their life have reasons to commit to the relationship and get other things out of it. That's gone now. And all that's left is female hypergamy and thirsty enablers. There's no substance left for a relationship to meaningfully occur.
/r/MGTOW29/01/18 05:20 PM
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Yeah, sex is 100% the responsibility of men, always. That's how women think.
/r/MGTOW29/01/18 03:06 PM
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If Asian culture is targeted it will end up being Asian-American assimilates against first generation. This dichotomy will make American culture basically toxic in Asia and create a huge backlash. Liberal white Americans will be pariah there, and you'd better shave and wear a suit to not have problems over there. Fuck. Fucking SJWs, America was supposed to be the chosen one.
/r/MGTOW29/01/18 03:05 PM
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THis shit is just hyperaggressive. Where do they come off? Seriously, back in the 90s it was sort of about like how women of color are misunderstood, underappreciated, need equal time. But nobody said white males were like only a problem. Obviously they invented 99% of everything. Anyway, homeboy in the OP has it figured out.
/r/MGTOW29/01/18 02:14 PM
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Women: "I think you should do stuff that makes you seem like you're doing the stuff that people think you should be doing"
/r/MGTOW29/01/18 01:53 PM
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Reminds me of the South Park episode when that girl got boobs all of a sudden and all the boys kept talking about how she had such a great personality.
/r/MGTOW29/01/18 01:50 PM
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ding ding ding The worst part is how women are incapable of grasping what they have done to human relationships. They can't own up to it because that might ruin the game.
/r/MGTOW29/01/18 01:34 PM
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I love the male equivalent of a vibrator thing. It's like saying the ferrari is the male equivalent of a basket.
/r/MGTOW29/01/18 01:33 PM
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Never underestimate the power of shame, and the thirst for pussy. Also, dominance doesn't always mean strong. It means perceived as having status. Countless sorority girls (blue pilled men) work hard to not be seen as "uncool" and are terrified of shame.
/r/MGTOW28/01/18 07:42 PM
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Yeah, Po is not making stellar arguments. I give her credit for seeming to be open and sympathetic. She still has a little old hamster in there working.
/r/MGTOW28/01/18 07:00 PM
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Women also date unattractive men - if the men are socially popular and dominant.
/r/MGTOW28/01/18 10:47 AM
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My story's pretty simple, I'm attractive (smart, funny, kind, used to have money), but I'm an introvert and don't have too many friends (also move a lot). More than a few times women have been interested and slept with me quickly hoping to "win" me while I was free. But then, over a few weeks they realize that even though I'm new to town, I probably won't be accruing a big group of friends for them to leech popularity off of. Moreover, despite being funny and attractive, it didn't seem like thos…
/r/MGTOW28/01/18 10:11 AM
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I know you're a woman because you used the "kind of woman you desire." Women can have sex anytime. It's a question of whether the man is good enough. The kind of woman I desire is one that's not a waste of time and drain of my energy. As a human, my desire for sex often doesn't consider common sense. So really women just are taking advantage of that. As a man, once I decide I don't want to be taken advantage of, even though my "dick brain" still wants sex like a slobbering, brainless dog, my rea…
/r/MGTOW28/01/18 09:31 AM
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If you feel like she doesn't like you, the nerves can mess it up. Your brain wants you to be blue pilled about the girl to get a good hard on sometimes. And guess what sucks when you're not a sociopath
/r/MGTOW28/01/18 09:22 AM
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Black dudes are literally the best. Living with black women has to be like living in Eastern Europe under communism, and so they have really quite excellent gallows humor. Top notch.
/r/MGTOW28/01/18 05:09 AM
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Yeah, that's my point. At the very least, good women are extremely rare. It's not possible for our experiences to all be this consistently and broadly bad.
/r/MGTOW28/01/18 04:47 AM
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Women are fighting to: 1) Get alpha cock and 2) Block beta cock. The get alpha cock by getting easy jobs or welfare, so they can afford to spend time making themselves appear appealing, and going out with Chad. They get alpha cock by controlling speech and shame, so they can manipulate men and basically force the guys they like to end up going towards them. The block beta cock through shame, legal intimidation, and manipulation. Social welfare is all about preventing the need to have to have a m…
/r/MGTOW28/01/18 04:47 AM
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MGTOW and the female subconscious are the two forces in the world which come closest to know the real truth of the human experience. And the female subconscious is terrified by this.
/r/MGTOW28/01/18 04:43 AM
13

I sometimes wonder if we're just unlucky, or if this many girls are as fucked up as all these stories.
/r/MGTOW28/01/18 04:09 AM
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I'd put effort for sex. But now I have to put forth Herculean effort, probably/maybe not get sex, and might get a disease, or a criminal charge just for asking a phone number. I'd have a relationship too, if the girl was at all interested in anything other than being able to use me. Last girl I dated started to warm up to the idea of a relationship, and she was sort of charmed/giddy about the idea of me reading her mind and being there for her. But sex - no that was a big deal and not on the tab…
/r/MGTOW28/01/18 04:09 AM
0

Actually, women might be the actual leaders. If you consider the fact that their brains find the question of how to acquire resources irrelevant, and so forth, then those sort of practical concerns are invisible to women. Thus, since all they really perceive is social status, and they probably are sort of in control of that, then perhaps they really do feel like they're the leaders. I mean, to their minds they can't see it any other way, even if they're technically wrong.
/r/MGTOW28/01/18 03:58 AM
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HOLY SHIT DO THEY READ THIS SUBREDDIT!!!!???? Isn't this what we say female desire is? And no one believes us! Screen cap this, this is the purest, simplest expression of what female preference actually is. It explains falling marriage rates and demographic decline. This is what female desire requires society to be like for it to function normally.
/r/MGTOW28/01/18 03:55 AM
1

Exactly. That's who TRP is for. Guys who are trying to break out of the LTR schema and live life more like true player/harem alphas. But then most of them end up getting tamed by a girl - and all she has to do is give good blowjobs. TRP is all about winning and plate spinning, but guys get a good blowjob giver, the get fatigued plate-spinning, and get a false sense of security. The lifestyle only ever worked for guys whose plates spin for them. Because those guys never bothered settling down exc…
/r/MGTOW27/01/18 07:37 PM
2

Sorry one other thing. Most of us agree that you can split men up into sort of two groups. Dominant, powerful, cool guys (about 20%), and the rest of us (about 80%). It seems impossible to deny that women at least become enchanted with the powerful guys. You yourself admitted this, but I'm glad you are aware and found your nice guy. The rapists out there - these guys taking advantage of women - they're the 20%. They're the guys who tend to get women anyway. Most of us men, particularly of the "r…
/r/MGTOW27/01/18 07:27 PM
1

Thanks for the writeup, man. When a woman showers you with sweet smiles and sexual affection it is a helluva drug. If you're border alpha, and sort of "stumble" into female attention, it's like "stumbling" into a heroin addiction. It's hard to let go of it. And more importantly, you haven't realized that women and the chase isn't just some fun game, it's brutal. While you're on top, it might feel fun, but once men get a woman who gets the better of them they realize how un-fun it really is. I'd …
/r/MGTOW27/01/18 07:24 PM
2

Thanks for taking time to reply. To make my response to your advice very simple I'll say one thing. It's just my opinion from experience. Women like to fit into the social world that their upbringing, instincts, and social experience tells them is "correct" or "approved". If they meet a man that "works" into that picture, they have an easier time thinking he should be in their life. If the man doesn't fit into that picture, no matter how good his qualities are, she can't see the reason to give h…
/r/MGTOW27/01/18 07:18 PM
1

I half agree and half stick by my point. Making civilization means adopting a moral worldview. A sense of the way things should be. Sex desire is a reality, as is female behavior. So, I thought sex-work (contractual, explicitly transaction sex) would be a good paradigm for the way things should be. But there is a round peg square hole problem.
/r/MGTOW27/01/18 06:59 PM
2

I'm no incel, seem to get sex when I try. But man, I have to work, and those bitches are often desperate. No, I don't have 6 figures, no I"m not 6 foot tall. I don't have a large group of male friends into pop culture. I'm an introvert, I don't spend time around people just to be around them. So, I go unnoticed by most women. Not only that, I'd have to live a completely different life to change that. Or, back to the online dating shitshow. So, here's my questions to the doubters: "what do you ex…
/r/MGTOW27/01/18 08:53 AM
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First of all, I appreciate that what you wrote feels difficult to you. However, this is an anonymous message board on the internet. There's no such thing as personal questions. Second, I'm glad you still are serving your husband and loving him, and sexual interested in him despite it all. Everyone here in this forum has never seen such a situation in real life. We joke about it being so rare that it's not real. So if you and your friends are the exceptions, than congrats. Still, can you explain …
/r/MGTOW27/01/18 06:42 AM
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TRP is for either 1) Pure betas with no chance who turn to lifting, aggression, and mind games to make up for their situation. 2)Border alphas who can pull a lot of pussy naturally, but not as easily as Chad. They usually get into LTRs, and want to understand how to keep their THOT around longer than she usually stays.
/r/MGTOW27/01/18 01:10 AM
3

Women tend to really believe their own bullshit. That's the point.
/r/MGTOW27/01/18 01:03 AM
6

Hah, women complain that this technique is misogynist. As if wanting to deal with a woman by evaluating her character rather than being distracted by her boobs is misogynistic
/r/MGTOW27/01/18 12:59 AM
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But honey, I'm not in the mood for sex right now and want to wait for a really special moment (that can reinforce how rare and valuable sex is, so I can get away with not having it with you as much)
/r/MGTOW27/01/18 12:58 AM
2

I feel sorry for them, I want to despise them, but I doubt they're swimming in Chad cock so mostly I just feel sorry for them. Maybe they have a right to complain about our complaining.
/r/MGTOW27/01/18 12:55 AM
1

The red pill is about waking up to the reality of female nature, which is non-rational, selfish, and seeks to exploit men. Blue pill is just a social reaction to the red pill. So, in other words, women who are pissed/annoyed/scared (and maybe weird men too) that men are ruining their ability to selfishly exploit men and freely live the messed up outcomes of their emotions of the moment.
/r/MGTOW27/01/18 12:53 AM
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Because betas are disposable and women are entitled to the service of all men below them in status.
/r/MGTOW27/01/18 12:51 AM
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It's cool to talk here, but many people will be mean to you. Do you have lots of sex with your husband, or is your love more of a "sentimental" love, and sex is "only for expression the most special feelings only in the right mood"? If your husband lost his job, and your girlfriend all bugged you about what a loser he was, and some of your girlfriends stopped talking to you, would you still love him so much? Just curious.
/r/MGTOW27/01/18 12:50 AM
7

And if like at least a group of 5 women or larger are doing something, all other women have to do it too or risk not fitting in.
/r/MGTOW27/01/18 12:32 AM
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I'll explain why. Women have instincts designed for an environment where they have no agency. They seek either power, or just the ability to assert their interests through social status - not through like work or earning it or having a convincing argument. Since they lack agency, they actually lack the instinct to exert agency. Love of astrology is almost like a way of reclaiming agency. You see, the woman doesn't control the stars, but neither do the other people around her. So, she doesn't hav…
/r/MGTOW27/01/18 12:31 AM
3

It's funny, because it's not like they even think cheating is that bad. Girls don't mind at all when their alpha cheats. They just hate having their resource supply interrupted. All she meant by men cheat anyway was to rationalize her self-awareness of her own shittiness
/r/MGTOW27/01/18 12:27 AM
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I think they were underestimated as a check against hypergamy. Men needed to artificially lower social perceptions about female status in order to just make room for civilized day-to-day life where common sense ruled. Female perceptions of status will cause them to treat the majority of men as if those men didn't even have souls, and also cause women to give a moral blank check to men of higher status. Female hypergamy fucks up any meaningful attempt to create a regulated civilization where ther…
/r/MGTOW26/01/18 06:27 PM
7

Just a word of support to throw your way. I see mass immigration in Europe as a problem only because any immigrant to any country needs time to learn from the native people what the language and customs of that country are like. Too much immigration too quickly breaks down culture. And I do think muslims and even Islam get blamed for problems in Europe that are really just a lack of common sense caused by feminism.
/r/MGTOW26/01/18 07:59 AM
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I think it's also hypergamy. They all want the top man. Obviously, the statistics put a damper on the plan. Not all of them can have the man. So they all want to look like a top 10% female. Another way of putting this is that women want sexual market value to apply to men only, and as for them they're all perfect 10s.
/r/MGTOW26/01/18 07:54 AM
3

Well, two months later after he finds her lover's dick pics on her phone, he'll realize he was 100% responsible for the outcome of his marriage.
/r/MGTOW26/01/18 05:08 AM
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I think rape has to be proven through physical trauma. And if it can't, then that's just something for a woman to - and I do quite mean this - have to deal with. Being alone with a man is a risk - which thankfully turns out fine in 99% of cases. But it's is risk nonetheless. There's no other way to think about it, there's no magic system to make this more foolproof safe for women. The fact is that 99% of men don't rape. And uncomfortable, uncertain, drunk, regretful sex is not rape, never.
/r/MGTOW26/01/18 05:04 AM
2

Solipsism!!!! She meant to text her daughter, so it's not possible that anything else happened. Then she throws a shame about him looking at porn when he already showed her his wife.
/r/MGTOW26/01/18 04:59 AM
2

I have never known a woman who would do something like this for me. Like if I got sick and threw up at work. She'd feel unloved if she had to go out of her way to solve my problems. Had at least two or three direct experiences like that. And no good counterexamples. And, women are directly responsible for their menstrual problems. To suggest otherwise is to put women on the basis of children or the disabled.
/r/MGTOW26/01/18 04:54 AM
2

Always a silver lining. No brother just needs to get through the weekend before skipping town.
/r/MGTOW26/01/18 04:50 AM
4

"A cup of coffee" High-fructose corn syrup emulsified pig fat hot spiced caffeine drink.
/r/MGTOW26/01/18 04:49 AM
1

I think the main problem is how modern communication compiles and sorts information in a way like never before. Like concentrated toxic turds that hit you one after another.
/r/MGTOW26/01/18 04:46 AM
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So, "polyamory" - do these women still sleep with their actual husbands? If not, then it's not poly-amory, maybe poly-takeadvantagery. Regardless, man, hypergamy run amok. As if this isn't obvious. And the fucking simps who feel like they'll win that magic female love if they do this. It's beyond pussy thirst, it's being desperate for mommy.
/r/MGTOW26/01/18 04:45 AM
3

My friend's ex told her she was pregnant right after they separated. They had never ever used birth control, and after months and months this was the first time she became pregnant. When he asked why now all of a sudden she was pregnant, after all this time, she explained that she had been pregnant before and miscarried but never told him. Haha, we gave him a bad time and said she probably wasn't pregnant, it was too convenient. In any event, her hamster talked her into a place where there was n…
/r/MGTOW26/01/18 04:42 AM
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Yeah, tons of shit happens on social media because it's a low-cost engine for attention and social drama. She's trying to rope in the family and social structures for support, and he's countering.
/r/MGTOW26/01/18 04:37 AM
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But doubling down and keeping the prize. Holy shit. What a cuck this guy is, well, Hur-dur literally, but man...
/r/MGTOW26/01/18 04:35 AM
17

Men are stacked, and all men below a woman's social value are supposed to provide for her, and all men above are supposed to give her babies so that her progeny can do better. That's the basics of it. I can't fault women for the desires involved, but I do point out that this woman clearly has no capacity for decency. Perhaps women are unsuited for decency. It's not part of the program.
/r/MGTOW26/01/18 04:34 AM
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I love the female solipsism. Yes, acting on adulterous impulses can help a relationship, if you're the female, and you've betaized the male, and you don't fuck him, he just provides for you, and your sexual needs are met on the side, and he remains a simp and/or doesn't find out. Yes, it turns out, that would make the relationship work better for a woman. Who'd a thunk?
/r/MGTOW26/01/18 04:29 AM
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Not to sound too incel, but it always makes me laugh when a woman can't get why a male acquaintance or family member is single. They can't understand why there aren't just women out there who fall into their laps wanting to sign up to be girlfriends. Whereas for most women, it's just a matter of being picky about the men who fall into your lap.
/r/MGTOW26/01/18 12:52 AM
2

And that hag probably feels like she's a fucking 15/10 when the thought of possibly fucking him comes up.
/r/MGTOW26/01/18 12:18 AM
0

This is a great example of the feminine imperative. Metoo is just their collective subconscious instinct manifest, "making sense" to their intuition. It's meant to restrict access to sex to low status males, and make room for open hypergamy. That's the impulse. It has nothing to do with fucking protecting women. Yeah, protecting them from - yuck - weird or ugly guys. And rapey immigrants are: 1)dangerous 2)exotic 3)fashionable. Their hindbrain status valuation is off the charts. Why would this w…
/r/MGTOW26/01/18 12:12 AM
3

Metoo is about reporting ugly or low status men.
/r/MGTOW26/01/18 12:09 AM
4

Well, #toolate
/r/MGTOW25/01/18 10:08 PM
1

Well what a surprise.
/r/MGTOW25/01/18 10:04 PM
4

They call it hipster culture, but frankly that ended 10 years ago. It's SJW culture now, and it's about the most pathetic thing. It's nutso. I don't predict it will survive long into the 2020s.
/r/MGTOW25/01/18 10:03 PM
3

Literally I wonder if pussy thirst is behind this. Can some feminist subverters just show up and wink at guys to get hired to big control positions. Can they just show vulnerability and sadness and get guys to tone down the red pills? I'm serious. Fucking simps... every time.
/r/MGTOW25/01/18 10:02 PM
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This, men are swamped with subconscious reward fulfillment for "making it" with a woman "who truly loves me and appreciates me". A little sexual affection and then it takes years to snap out of it. And they only like you for a reason you'd never be happy about. (i.e.: they like you not because you have money, but because they can get it from you.)
/r/MGTOW25/01/18 10:01 PM
7

Well, if by electrocuted you mean an STD, then, well, no.
/r/MGTOW25/01/18 09:59 PM
3

Interesting. It's not actually beyond the realm of possibility that one reason for the bad hypergamy and feminism is that women are actually quite unaware of what they're causing.
/r/MGTOW25/01/18 09:59 PM
8

Check out r/redpillscooby for more memes, and add your own!
/r/MGTOW25/01/18 09:56 PM
3

The key to female strategy is to convince men that they have no choice but to be men when it comes to a man's responsibility to women, but then convince him that categories don't exist when he thinks about a woman's responsibility to men.
/r/MGTOW25/01/18 09:22 PM
1

Never date a girl whose brothers are gang members.
/r/MGTOW25/01/18 09:20 PM
1

Interestingly, I have a similar problem sometimes. But mostly because I love living my life not GAF.
/r/MGTOW25/01/18 09:18 PM
2

Good meta-frame. Props.
/r/MGTOW25/01/18 09:17 PM
1

All is how I predicted. This is called market pressure. Real life women will have to up their game, and cash in on their current advantage. Basically, the GFE. Expect a better experience for cheaper, in response to losing work to these dolls. Expect more political pressure to make commercial sex (competitive brothel business) more legal.
/r/MGTOW25/01/18 09:15 PM
3

The hockey one should be "slapping their sticks all over 'em"
/r/MGTOW25/01/18 08:50 PM
3

The fucking leaf! "Soo, Dontcha know guys, this thing here might be on the border of social acceptability, just wanted to point it out, you know, eh?"
/r/MGTOW25/01/18 08:49 PM
1

Meta-Frame Alert - Notice how the cam guy says, almost pleadingly, "just take it easy". He's projecting a sense that he feels these two are innocent, and that they need help and concern. He should have shouted calmly to the person in charge asking what the problem was, then quietly rowed over and physically separated them. Or just laughed.
/r/MGTOW25/01/18 08:47 PM
1

That girl on top has a flubby ass, don't you think? What an unfortunate shape, in that it's otherwise almost pretty good.
/r/MGTOW25/01/18 08:44 PM
3

The Border Fence isn't the only Trump Wall about to hit.
/r/MGTOW25/01/18 08:42 PM
3

I am mindful of daily calorie counts. I know my input to 100-200. My output is very dependent, but with a heart rate sensor watch I can trust it to +-400 calories most of the time. I basically aim for a 800 calorie deficit to lose weight. Most places list calories now, so it isn't hard. It works. I think the problem is that our natural systems for balancing our calorie load go out of whack really easily. You'd be surprised how much or how little you can eat calorie-wise and feel about the same. …
/r/MGTOW25/01/18 08:36 PM
1

The female play establishes a frame of femininity which says that women are vulnerable, but calls it "oppressed". The frame is a cultural conditioning that says that men ought to acquiesce to female weakness out of a sense of fairness and to protect them. Masculinity is framed as men protecting women from other men, and that's why women are united as a political force and men are disunited, because we by into this frame. It's not that we agree our brothers getting hosed in court deserve it, it's…
/r/MGTOW25/01/18 08:19 PM
3

No one said civilization would automatically last. In about 30-50 years, the feminists of Europe (for example) will get to experience the real fruits of their vision of equality, once their societies are predominantly Muslim.
/r/MGTOW25/01/18 05:15 PM
2

It's fun isn't it? We should have a monthly "Solipsism-frame" dialogue thread.
/r/MGTOW25/01/18 05:13 PM
3

Well in my personal experience, and based on how I personally feel, this has been my personal experience.
/r/MGTOW25/01/18 04:57 PM
1

Yeah, thanks man. I'll change this though: Women's primary survival instinct is to secure your resources because it's easier for them because it is what their instinct happens to be.
/r/MGTOW25/01/18 04:56 PM
1

Maybe. People tend to make a big deal about ego, but it's not untrue. I would say, in a more precise, meta way, that struggle is actually defined as the failing of the ego. Being a man is preserving your ego against nature's inevitable pushback. Enduring struggle means letting go of the superfluous, or not essential characteristics of ego, and letting life refine your sense of self to be more ideal, pure, or at least suited for the situation you're in. And ego lesson #1 is that you don't necessa…
/r/MGTOW25/01/18 03:40 PM
1

Thanks, Anyway, as a son of a single mom you know I understand how it works. When a mom uses you as emotional support when you're 4 instead of being your emotional support, they train your brain to make any woman's problems seem like they're you're problems.
/r/MGTOW25/01/18 03:16 PM
1

I hate speculating on black life because it's kind of patronizing to try and do, but I do have a question. In your opinion, is the perception that black men bend over for women a lot true? (They might be red pill aware, but act blue pill) And, do you think many black men subconsciously have a deep fear of black women? All I know is that whatever happens to you emotionally at age 3 stays with you no matter how big your body grows. The same fears are always there, like a computer program feeding i…
/r/MGTOW25/01/18 09:31 AM
2

Yeah, Peterson uses some pretty obvious tells - psych hacks. Hypnotic technique. I've realized that sometimes his content is hard to make rational sense of, but he "touches" you. It's definitely meant to subconsciously persuade. And his fanboys are extremely, even irrationally and unnecessarily defensive of him. Jordan Peterson has hypnotized a lot of people into thinking he's going to provide the golden truth, and it literally emotionally hurts people when others stand in the way. That said, I …
/r/MGTOW25/01/18 07:57 AM
3

It's always the victim's fault. He shouldn't have sent so many signals.
/r/MGTOW25/01/18 04:51 AM
20

Well, one men don't have feelings so they can't be raped. Two only women can be victims of sexism, so men can't be raped. And three, it was his fault anyway.
/r/MGTOW25/01/18 03:15 AM
3

FWIW I think my mom does love me, but it's totally solipsistic. When I tell her she screwed up and I don't blame her, but it hurts me and I need her - as my mother - to understand, for the sake of me ever being successful in life. Her response is always, "Yeah, but, I didn't mean to do XYZ. And you misinterpret XYZ." "Yes mom, I already said I don't blame you. This is just my feeling, I just want your sympathy." "Well, it does hurt me when you're sad, I really do wish you weren't because it just…
/r/MGTOW25/01/18 03:12 AM
1

Yeah, here's a red suppository. Guys who had dad's in their lives: you don't even know what women are really like.
/r/MGTOW25/01/18 03:09 AM
2

And the illusion was just so mom could show off to the world that she made it. Children as accessories.
/r/MGTOW25/01/18 02:46 AM
9

Well this proves that the female psyche is incapable of perceiving male personhood.
/r/MGTOW25/01/18 02:45 AM
1

My parents are both American multi generation, white anglo saxon blah blah. Though I grew up with a single mom, going to cousins and stuff I grew up with that 1980s impression of the nice happy family. I think that was nothing other than women getting status fulfillment by creating that environment in their homes. Totally selfish.
/r/MGTOW25/01/18 02:42 AM
5

TBH, the guy I knew was laying 6s. Not ideal, but to them he was their alpha. If that's your jam, then I could ask for worse. But hey, we're MGTOW anyway.
/r/MGTOW25/01/18 01:43 AM
2

The British model mate. The illusion of freedom, and the use of university systems to act as a great screen to create social distinctions. And you blame your own self for not being good enough. But it's not a meritocracy overall. And being Indian must blow as far as ladies are concerned. I know an Indian guy who was ripped and a had an Aryan jaw/nose situation. Dark skin though. Rich and smart, too, tall. He got laid, but his plates were solid 6s, at best. And half were indian too. Dawg, I feel …
/r/MGTOW25/01/18 01:28 AM
1

No, it corresponds to female behavior. When a female is using a man for sex, even when she knows he's not sticking around, that man is an alpha to her. When a female is in any way reluctant about sex, when she thinks she can tell a man what to do, when she comes to depend on a man for anything at all other than sex or maybe raw physical protection - then that man is a beta to her. That's the definition I was using. Your definition also works, but perhaps for a few other categories.
/r/MGTOW25/01/18 12:57 AM
10

I wonder what he will think knowing that he definitely "knew better"
/r/MGTOW25/01/18 12:55 AM
14

Why does it always feel like black people live more in the real world than whites?
/r/MGTOW25/01/18 12:25 AM
4

I guess this is true. It explains why most women have failed at it over the years.
/r/MGTOW25/01/18 12:12 AM
7

Yeah, usually it's like beta gets a kid, his one chance to pass genes, in exchange for total servitude.
/r/MGTOW24/01/18 10:28 PM
3

Yeah, some girls lose virginity at 15-16 (alpha females tend to 12-14 with their 2 years older middle school BF). These girls, once the virgin barrier is broken (assuming it wasn't a "muh I luv you and will make you wait" BF), fuck about five dozen people immediately. They realize that guys will give it up on a dime, and that it makes them about 10 times as popular. Hard to resist those combination of forces.
/r/MGTOW24/01/18 10:27 PM
1

Here I define beta as the entire category defined by "alpha fucks/beta bucks". Whoever is on the right of that dichotomy, and not accounted one the left, is in this explanation "beta".
/r/MGTOW24/01/18 10:25 PM
8

Well, masculinity is declining, so things are losing their hot sheen. Men make life sexy, that's what masculinity is. Cars that give you boners even though they look like trash cans.
/r/MGTOW24/01/18 08:00 PM
22

In that sense, with the long view, his marriage might be worth it.
/r/MGTOW24/01/18 07:58 PM
4

Peak fertility. Women dying of childbirth was a solid dice role back in the day. Plus, best eggs is a thing. Plus, you want your possibly one nut to lead to a baby. This all adds up, statistically, to a 18-yo preference being enough of an advantage for men to want it. I'd say pre-pubescent is pedo, period. Post-pubescent, like 14 yo, is omega AF, but not necessarily pedo. However, it seems like most male preference is around 16.5-19. There's also that thing of "being the first" which is its own …
/r/MGTOW24/01/18 07:54 PM
9

It's a world without men being able to do anything by women fucking up their work schedules.
/r/MGTOW24/01/18 07:02 PM
46

Let's discuss what this really is. It's a shit test. Not a SMV determining shit test, but a relationship manipulation shit test. Women. Can. Not. Help. It. They will always translate their intuitive reptile brain instincts into collective action, this is what feminism is. I have a coworker who is a feminist. She hasn't answered my email all day. I don't know if it's connected to this, but what if it is? For one day, I don't miss women, but I'm annoyed that no one is there to do the thing I need.…
/r/MGTOW24/01/18 07:01 PM
15

Misogynist Scooby has to become a thing. Anyone want to make a new subreddit?
/r/MGTOW24/01/18 06:52 PM
4

Stay at home mom-ism is an incredible phenomenon. Can you imagine living where you didn't control your income or life destiny? Can you imagine not having to? And, can you image not even being good at the most basic, least demanding aspects of this life?
/r/MGTOW24/01/18 06:31 PM
1

This is important. Women seek to have status. With status, you have the world. Having the world is confirmation that you have status. They're not designed to worry about how things happen, they want to maximize the take available to them. The push men in order to come as close to the maximum as they can get away with. If women had to actually work for what they wanted, they wouldn't push and push and push. Them pushing is because they are expecting to not have to work for things.
/r/MGTOW24/01/18 06:29 PM
1

Women weren't given full agency by evolution. They were given a set of desire that took into account men either giving in or not. Women are compelled to push buttons, and men are responsible for making actual choices. They don't "think" you can do both things at the same time, they don't want you to do both things at the same time, they just want to complain about you doing both things at the same time, so that whatever ground you choose to give up to them, they'll get.
/r/MGTOW24/01/18 06:26 PM
1

Not hateful. They are programmed to prioritize a selfish view of the world over reason. They don't know how to not push for unreasonable demands. It "seems" correct to them to do so.
/r/MGTOW24/01/18 06:22 PM
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"If robots cause mass numbers of men to become homeless and famished, who will pay for our drinks?" Women will be hit the hardest.
/r/MGTOW24/01/18 06:19 PM
3

Yeah, we men try too hard, and its pathetic, and we crash and burn. But the reason we try so damn hard is because our idealism is out of control. And channeled correctly our idealism is a credit.
/r/MGTOW24/01/18 05:58 PM
2

I suppose I burn bridges then. Maybe my German ancestry, I'm not cool with women flaking out and get in their fucking face about it. Looking back, it was awfully beta, but in a certain sense I wanted it to be an ultimatum. We were either in love and progressing, however slow or fast, to possibly marriage and family, or we weren't and she could GTFO. As much as women like being able to manipulate men, to branch swing, as much as they like confident, firm men, women absolutely hate men who put the…
/r/MGTOW24/01/18 03:01 PM
25

That fucking ruined it. See, no one ever claimed me were perfect. Our credit is our Icarian ambition.
/r/MGTOW24/01/18 02:53 PM
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Amazing still how helpless they are in a certain sense. Victorian morality accounted this as innocence, and treated sex like a big mystery which women were above. We now know that women are sexual fiends, it's just that have almost no agency when it comes to sex. They lean super hard on men to make things happen or not happen, and seem unable to just be up front and take control. This girl could have said nothing if she didn't want sex, or she could have waited until she was alone with him if sh…
/r/MGTOW24/01/18 02:52 PM
5

There are much fewer males doing that, percentage wise, then women. In general, women will stick to one male relationship at a time. They might take side dick, but usually they fully detach from one relationship before going to another, but the swapping process is pretty quick. Men who chase tail don't make the same effort to invest in a lone relationship. They either have none, are forced into one, or have many. And the vast majority of men just try to be good enough so that at least one girl c…
/r/MGTOW24/01/18 02:47 PM
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There is that 20% sort of NT personality type in women. That's a huge part of the problem is that their personality types happen to skew so fucking into worthlessness territory. And also, a woman raised with a good meta-frame about, not gender-roles, but more like an appreciation for masculinity, and a healthy fear of it, will be better to a man. Not a NAWALT arguments, just explaining how a woman - despite her hypergamy - can sometimes be "less awful".
/r/MGTOW24/01/18 02:44 PM
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There are natural Chads, but no permanent Alphas to a woman. Hot only means immediate tingles and easy effortless chase. After that, you're last week's menu item. Sure, your hotness appropriately inflates her ego, but she immediately begins to explore whether she could do better. And the second she thinks she can do better, Chad become a beta play for her.
/r/MGTOW24/01/18 02:41 PM
14

Haha, I was in the middle of a "Chinese" massage once - seriously, no happy ending that time, just a massage, but you know how these girls are - and the masseuse starts talking about how I should go buy a house together with her with a VA loan or something. I laughed and said maybe she could just buy me a house since she made so many good tips, and that I'd give her massages for free from time to time as thanks for living there. That bitch's little fake smile dropped to the floor like a World Tr…
/r/MGTOW24/01/18 02:39 PM
2

So my theory is that women are programmed to chase social status, but social status isn't some clearly measurable thing, so evolution provided a "tool set" of subconscious triggers which sort of kind of - in the context of primitive living - imply status and power socially. Body language, behavior patterns, the "mating game" is something they naturally perceive.
/r/MGTOW24/01/18 02:20 PM
1

I think there's a personality type divide. MGTOWs are almost all INT-. And there's way more E and S in TRP. Moreover, I think they also have fewer P's. MGTOWs seem to have a lot of INTJs, but also a fair number of INTPs. The P influence makes a lot of difference because you see the big picture, and don't get lost not seeing the forest for the trees. Lot of comments at TRP went straight to the one thing they disagreed with then made a federal case of it. Rather than consider the broader point. As…
/r/MGTOW24/01/18 02:17 PM
1

Yeah I let her under my skin. Blue pill at the time and thought that common sense reciprocity meant that men and women should be good and kind to their intimate life partners. Had no context to understand her behavior, since she obviously wasn't honest about the why of it. Directed frustration at myself.
/r/MGTOW24/01/18 02:12 PM
4

Even so, in my situation I didn't feel like a loser for a dry dick all the time. It was when I had been almost conditioned by the one girl's behavior to feel that way - in that unique case - did it particularly sting. My point is that we love pussy, but women have a way of using that ground fact to inflate our sense of the importance of it. They amplify it.
/r/MGTOW24/01/18 02:09 PM
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Hmm, I have a couple of girls who are prominent in my mind. But I'm not in touch with them, and I've come to shatter the illusion. I guess, is that the point?
/r/MGTOW24/01/18 05:38 AM
12

I've wondered who these men are. Almost everyone I know is either in a relationship, or pretty dead single. Who are the guys women jump to the second they get dumped?
/r/MGTOW24/01/18 05:19 AM
2

herpegonasyphillitits warts positive, also, HPV. Sure, man, they can do their thing. I just couldn't believe how 1) bitchy and 2) blue pilled naive about the value of female love they were. Like, pussy is pussy. It feels great and is great to get. I guess if you pull a lot of it, and you're an extrovert, you can ride the "top dog" validation high. But to imagine that golden pussy is like valuable and precious is kind of obnoxious. A lot of these guys are like sort of tradcon, or like literally m…
/r/MGTOW24/01/18 05:16 AM
3

There is a chameleon effect. There is becoming like the roast to be accepted by the roast.
/r/MGTOW24/01/18 04:48 AM
1

No reasoning with women, just encourage a culture of masculinity that fits well for MGTOWS to PUAs to every other kind of man. Then, in this culture, encourage and promote game techniques. The same way a man will take care of his health, his hygiene - not to look good, but to promote his personal well being. A little game and what I'm calling "meta frame" is good social-sexual hygiene. It's creating a perceptive environment for women where they start to perceive limits, and lose interest in push…
/r/MGTOW24/01/18 04:47 AM
1

Gone to check it out. Okay back. Yeah so in my opinion that was less subconscious game manipulation, and her fighting against an argument she's losing with alpha female shame tactics. To you or I it sounds pathetic and like she's triggered, but to beta females and "cucks" it triggers a danger and attention response and causes them to sympathize with her and see the other person as an evil assailant.
/r/TheRedPill24/01/18 04:39 AM
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I've been getting tons of comment replies saying "whoa dude, real alphas don't even want to enslave women, we think women are great, we have no problem with women, true alphas support full female rights." It's a little thou doth protest too much. I'm thinking the atheism+, comic book, scifi, SJW crowd has been working their infiltration for a while.
/r/MGTOW24/01/18 04:35 AM
2

He's good, but he's obviously also a professional psychologist who knows what to say to enthrall people. I like him, he's on our team, almost everything about him is admirable, but there's a bit too much worship going on. It's never good to hang on every word of any other man.
/r/TheRedPill24/01/18 03:20 AM
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Stop telling people what they can't read. They have eyes, and don't need yours.
/r/TheRedPill24/01/18 03:18 AM
1

Dude are you serious? You soared right past the thesis and to a nitpick and now you're starting a fight over it. Talk about solipsism.
/r/TheRedPill24/01/18 03:16 AM
2

I'm starting to see how a lot of "alphas" are basically male solipsists. Not narcissists, not sociopaths, but solipsists. Like, they only "see" the argument that is relevant to the one little thought they're having, and are eager to fight over it. Maybe that's what an alpha is, fundamentally, a personality type that "gets along" with the fucked up way women think.
/r/MGTOW24/01/18 03:16 AM
1

You need to learn to read. He was conceding 80% of the ground to her. My point wasn't about what Jordan Peterson's personal status is. It was about how even in the context of non-dominant language, a man can still hold frame and not concede his overall position. If you haven't noticed I literally directly mentioned my reason for bringing it up. I wanted to discuss how a man doesn't need to be alpha or dominant all the time, to hold consistent "meta-frame" and thereby preserve masculinity from fe…
/r/TheRedPill24/01/18 03:05 AM
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And yet women will defend her because her logic that "her emotional needs were being harmed and she can't even" is a legitimate thing that "makes sense" to them. When, she's just a shallow, greedy, unloyal bitch. Funny how perspective changes things.
/r/MGTOW24/01/18 03:01 AM
2

Alpha females create problems for people in order to control how they get solved. They maintain power by creating more problems than what other people can manage.
/r/TheRedPill24/01/18 02:59 AM
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The reason why they've enshrined it into law is because of the law of least resistance. The female imperative locus of organization is the loudest most consistent pressure, so it crowds out other options.
/r/TheRedPill24/01/18 02:13 AM
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OBJECT LESSON: Subject: Female Emotional Solipsism This woman could have said: I know the problem is worse for men, and I feel bad for them, but at the moment I need this help and I'm not above begging for my needs. Instead she said: This is so fucking ignorant and offensive to me as a suicidal women. The above is a selfish statement, but it demonstrate conscious awareness of others' situations. The below is at the very least frustrated with the idea that people care about anyone else's problems…
/r/MGTOW24/01/18 01:49 AM
1

It doesn't go two ways. Look at Europe. It's about power. Women naturally organize around their instincts - literally zero organizational costs, and utter consistency. It's a coordination problem for me. We are not coordinated enough to resist these outcomes, and we'll never be. We can't counter organize. We have to break their organization, by deweaponizing their imperatives.
/r/TheRedPill24/01/18 01:45 AM
1

You have one point I love which is the weight of older, established men in just bulldozing through female subconscious. The manosphere was once young, but many are more mature, and the old players are becoming wizened gents. Those who feel like they're done with the mega pussy chase, and have toned it down, might be willing to lay some chits over into the meta-frame game and apply the wise and gray game to shutting feminism down.
/r/TheRedPill24/01/18 01:43 AM
1

Men just straight up refuse to marry Sure, that and male birth control could help. But then, at some point, when do we let women back into our lives? Where is the line drawn which defines how we relate to them (we could of course only have legally contracted parenting arrangements, but what would the stipulations be?) Worst of all, women can just import a bunch of barbarians to overthrow the male power. This is why I think the battle has to be won subconsciously. Women have to be presented with …
/r/TheRedPill24/01/18 01:24 AM
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That's why I'm referring to his meta-frame. I call him beta and people shit on me, but you're arguing his frame was weak. So, can we all agree that he was not projecting maximum alpha frame? Okay. Do you agree that despite giving ground to her many times, there was at least a line which he faithfully held? And do you agree that his "ooh, gotcha", was consistent with that frame, and proof of it breaking her? She was trying to build a feminist frame and it broke on his anti-feminist frame. Could h…
/r/TheRedPill24/01/18 12:53 AM
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You've missed the point of my post entirely. Too many TJ's here, not enough TP's.
/r/TheRedPill24/01/18 12:50 AM
1

Power can be thought of as collective action. Seriously. When people coordinate their action, that's power. Being an individual who can steer the ship is thought of as being powerful, but the real power is the ship itself. Because female behavior is consistent, it creates a locus of power. That's why women get away with so damn much. Even when men disagree, we don't have the same magnitude and consistency of action - across the fucking board - that women pull through just responding to instinct.…
/r/TheRedPill24/01/18 12:48 AM
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Yes it does. Stop being so "J" brother, be a little "P". I don't care what he actually said or who he actually is. The situation demonstrates a pattern that could repeat in numerous other cases. That pattern is the topic of conversation. The use of body language, consistency, attitude, frame, to provoke a subconscious reaction in a woman. In this case, clearly visible. The point is that JP is not being chauvinistic. He might be alpha, or not, but he's being reasonable and not chauvinistic. His f…
/r/TheRedPill24/01/18 12:37 AM
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Starting the way all manosphere stuff does. Personal trial and error, reporting back, sharing anecdotes, building a consensus, improving the application and theory, spreading the word. Obviously, the results aren't as tangible, but the goal isn't to fix the problem overnight. It's limited to just having all men learn a little game and develop a consciousness of meta-frame - and exploring what that means and how it might be applied.
/r/MGTOW24/01/18 12:26 AM
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So I took my above comment and made a post over in my new subreddit "thegreatframe". It would be great if you checked it out. My more thoughtful conclusion, which you inspired me to reach, is that what meta-frame really is involves creating an idea of masculinity that lets women know that they don't control social pecking order, men do. So, for example, man's rules say money is power. Women are allowed to try to get money, and can have power. But men define the ground rules and women know that m…
/r/TheRedPill23/01/18 10:03 PM
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Competitive frame can convey desperation. The more dominant you are, the less desperate you are, and the more comfortably you can collaborate. The more comfortably you can do anything. I agree.
/r/TheRedPill23/01/18 09:55 PM
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But he like leaned all the way in exactly when she left an opening of giving off uncomfortable body language. He's definitely a pro. No question. And his fucking smirk at like 22:20 ish. It's so quick, you barely notice it, but it's soooo fucking condescending and patronizing. I laugh more at that smirk than anything else.
/r/TheRedPill23/01/18 09:26 PM
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The meta frame is for women. At least I respect this guy enough to not treat him like one. (that was me holding the meta-frame)
/r/TheRedPill23/01/18 09:24 PM
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I'm on board with Peterson. His way of putting it is, effectively, the "meta-frame" I advocate. The only thing I'd "add" to Peterson is something he's already touched on. Cathy Newman mentioned that men hold more of the CEO positions than women. Peterson said it's because men are more willing to work hard. That's a key point. We should argue that things ought to be equal, but insist that, yes, men do better than women. Because men are more motivated and more powerful. And when they complain, we …
/r/TheRedPill23/01/18 09:23 PM
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Did you see the way she couldn't make eye contact after she got stuck? And how the stuck lasted for a second, then grew? There's subconscious stuff there and she's reacting to his body language and confidence.
/r/TheRedPill23/01/18 09:00 PM
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I think that having the hormonal mix is proof of evolutionary psychological premises. How each hormonal "side" provokes behaviors that clearly need a social context to not be destructive. Having both sets of behaviors eliminates the walls of context, and leads to mayhem.
/r/MGTOW23/01/18 08:58 PM
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Yeah, it's failed because marriage - which was always a golden ticket, relatively speaking, for women - has stopped being as great for them. So they have left it, or caused it to modify, so that the checks against their behavior are now missing. I attribute the cause to prosperity. Prosperity has given women options. So, I want to save civilization, and I don't want to reverse prosperity. So we need a new check against female behavior.
/r/TheRedPill23/01/18 08:57 PM
1

That's what's crazy. It's like people have observed the effects of hypergamy on men since forever, but it's taken so long for us to figure out the cause. I think - and I admittedly say this as a MGTOW - the problem is that it's emotionally difficult for a lot of men to admit that the women in their lives don't really love them at all like they want them to.
/r/TheRedPill23/01/18 08:54 PM
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What? I'm just saying that he influenced her subconscious and it's amazingly visible.
/r/TheRedPill23/01/18 08:52 PM
1

More like: Alphas - Alpha's women BetaRedPillers - Professional women who "agree to man's rules" BetaBluePillers - Married women that are loyal Omega Losers - Married women that work/cuck Incel/AlphaWannabe through mass murder - unmarried, fatty, waiting for prince charming White knight/Male feminists - Female feminists Each list is independent from the other. The frame game changes when you are internal to your list, and when you orient externally. An alpha should defend his woman against a bit…
/r/TheRedPill23/01/18 08:34 PM
1

This is the essential inner truth which I think should be our foundation for "The Great Frame." If men internalize that women are junior partners, at best, of the great project of civilization which defines our common socio-cultural experience, then we have a basis for common frame. There's no need to hate women, to consider women "subhuman", to think that women are always going to be utterly incapable. Women can integrate into this system as individuals. The point is that women do assert their …
/r/TheRedPill23/01/18 08:07 PM
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I completely agree. I only wanted to point out how JP is not coming in there like an arrogant Arnold Swarzeneggar, like some crass caricature alpha. And yet, his frame 100% holds, and achieves the effect - magically! Maybe he's being tactful, maybe there's no such thing as pure alpha or beta, maybe JP is a pretty alpha guy. I'm just saying that a scrawny, quibbling beta can contribute to "the great frame" the meta-frame of male solidarity against unchecked female imperatives. They just need to l…
/r/TheRedPill23/01/18 07:56 PM
1

If men demand that the age old alpha/beta dynamic has to changed, there won't be consensus to check female psychology. Civilization was the compromise which channeled alpha traits in a way that betas were okay with. What betas get is not an end to alpha domination, but rather some space to not be killed young and sometimes get sex with women.
/r/TheRedPill23/01/18 07:53 PM
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It is. Women are awful because nature adapted them to situations where they would never have physical power. Giving them physical power is haywire and FUBAR.
/r/MGTOW23/01/18 07:51 PM
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Sure, but that's just what will follow almost automatically from common sense. This project is not a political project, it's a socio-cultural, civilizational project. The Great Frame is an effort to change our concept of men, masculinity, and their role. Not a super big change, just the idea that part of the male identity is the duty to do your part to hold the "meta-frame". That civilized maleness incorporates this duty. That's all.
/r/TheRedPill23/01/18 07:50 PM
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JP: "Houses need doors so that the radiator can keep them warm in the winter." CN: "But, you're saying that women should stay indoors." JP: "Well, only if they want to be warm, it's preferable." CN: "But haven't men, historically, aren't they the ones that put the door there, perhaps to make it difficult for women to go outside." JP: "Sure, they did, but that's because you need doors for a house to stay warm." CN: "But what about men being mindful of women, and not building doors, so that they c…
/r/TheRedPill23/01/18 07:48 PM
1

Yeah, incels are going to succeed at "tricking" alphas into changing. Or, maybe read TFOP. The realization of room for cooperation between people who otherwise don't agree, because it can achieve a power advancement of the interests of everyone involved, it's just logic.
/r/TheRedPill23/01/18 07:42 PM
1

Yeah, reddit is a pain. The visual point is achieved.
/r/TheRedPill23/01/18 07:39 PM
1

How is redpill theory contaminated? Are you the grand high inquisitor of the Royal Holy Redpill Institute? Second, I'm very clear that this is not an attempt to change the basics of redpill technique. Just a greater awareness of common threat which can be countered by a little common effort that doesn't fundamentally change what people are doing. There's no "mixing".
/r/TheRedPill23/01/18 07:39 PM
0

Oh, ouch, I guess the peer reviewers are going to cancel anti-feminism now.
/r/TheRedPill23/01/18 05:47 PM
1

The only frame that matters is that you're confident enough to do what TF you want. That what the point I was trying to illustrate. You can concede that you already agreed with her before she ever came into you life, but that you don't GAF if she disagrees with you on other things.
/r/TheRedPill23/01/18 05:46 PM
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But nothing he said really mattered as much as his body language in fucking with that lady's head, and nothing will be remembered or noted to the mass public other than the "Hah, gotcha". Subconscious BS is the female universe.
/r/TheRedPill23/01/18 05:45 PM
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The subconscious thing is the 'key here. That's all I care about from this interview. And frankly, looking at Peterson's body language and facial expressions he's really being alpha AF.
/r/TheRedPill23/01/18 05:44 PM
1

Fuck you, learn how to read fast.
/r/TheRedPill23/01/18 05:43 PM
1

No, we just need to be conscious of the problem, and all do a little bit of our part to deal with it.
/r/TheRedPill23/01/18 05:42 PM
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If we were living in primitive society, then the approach to women would be this: use for sex, whether they want to or not, discard when necessary, tell them what to do at all times. Civilization is a concession. It's a little bit beta. So, that's my point, it's subtle. We don't need a patriarchy to check the poison women bring to civilization. We don't need to reinstate traditional marriage. We just need a subconscious, imaginary patriarchy to mitigate female subconscious behavior.
/r/TheRedPill23/01/18 05:41 PM
2

Man means - having purpose, pursuing that purpose and not backing down. Not fearing what people will do or say. Remaining consistent, and confident. And, as part of this, dominance, aggression, willingness to fight, confidence that you'll win.
/r/TheRedPill23/01/18 05:39 PM
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Cool, so let's just give up and concede the battlefield, lay down and die.
/r/TheRedPill23/01/18 05:38 PM
2

It's female subconscious run amok, period. It has to be checked, and everything else will work out.
/r/TheRedPill23/01/18 05:37 PM
1

Pareto ratio is a thing, dawg.
/r/TheRedPill23/01/18 05:36 PM
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Allright dawg, he's alpha. I was just trying to say it doesn't matter.
/r/TheRedPill23/01/18 05:36 PM
1

Society is designed for there to be alphas and betas. Alphas don't need to create a cult of alphadom to be alpha. They simply are. Naziism is a cult idolizing alphadom - idolizing masculinity - and idolizing femininity. Idealization is a huge beta thing. Which was the point. Naziism wasn't a "man" movement, it wasn't spiritual, it wasn't "volksgeist". It was a political movement. They said words to win the political support of (majority) beta men.
/r/TheRedPill23/01/18 05:36 PM
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I'm just leaving room for him to be beta. I'm saying that betas can learn a little frame.
/r/TheRedPill23/01/18 05:33 PM
2

Unapologetic is a good branding. Like, it's unsafe to create a male space, it attracts outside attackers, but DAF do it anyway for fun. That's would be the branding.
/r/TheRedPill23/01/18 03:26 PM
2

Dude, do you understand how women manipulate men - even alpha men - by getting into their shit?
/r/TheRedPill23/01/18 03:09 PM
2

Sound the Trumpets! Raise the Banners! The Gladiators Have Arrived! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_B0CyOAO8y0
/r/TheRedPill23/01/18 03:02 PM
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It's bark without bite. Good frame. Women don't actually connect reality to sensory emotional impressions. You just have to convince her that your willpower and persistence will outmatch hers. What you actually do doesn't matter. Like, don't actually fuck a drunk girl, unless you want to risk jail. Just, don't allow women to see or hear you being reticent because of their BS laws.
/r/TheRedPill23/01/18 02:46 PM
2

Feminism is a macro problem. A macro manifestation of the female subconscious being expressed. Only masculine frame, consistent across a macro scale, and check this phenomenon. Does it have to be global? It can be local, but the main benefits are reaped as it becomes a critical mass. Men don't need to stop their own intra-male domination game. They just need to not put up with women playing that game. "Women are not allowed to play, because women are worthless cunts who always make things worse.…
/r/TheRedPill23/01/18 01:59 PM
2

Yeah, exactly. Our battle is in the female subconscious, and not all men need to participate, just a critical mass. The goal is to cause a critical mass of women to be uninterested and unenthusiastic about feminism, since they're subconsciously following the lead of men who've made it clear they're not having any of it.
/r/TheRedPill23/01/18 01:52 PM
1

The general problem with black culture is that there's no sense of responsibility for "community property". I think this is either because of slavery (why give a fuck about Master's shit if he's enslaving you, and your house, yard, road are all Master's), or perhaps something else, doesn't matter. Black men could resist their women better, but the problem is there's not enough sense of the "common" masculinity. Yeah, black meta-frame would do wonders. Unfortunately, I'd be worried that some brot…
/r/TheRedPill23/01/18 01:48 PM
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There's a meaningful difference between concern trolling and concern. And what you call hamstering... The one problem with men is that sometimes there's incredible disparity between the intelligence and perceptiveness of one man as compared to another. Point proven, don't you think?
/r/TheRedPill23/01/18 01:44 PM
1

Yeah, I think they'd support a meta-masculine frame.
/r/TheRedPill23/01/18 01:41 PM
2

If only we could reproduce the transporter error.
/r/MGTOW23/01/18 01:41 PM
4

I don't know, what do you think tough guy?
/r/TheRedPill23/01/18 01:39 PM
2

I'm going to study game harder, and come back to report. My focus is "meta-frame" for checking female imperative. The idea is to create a subconscious, "virtual" Patriarchy. An idea of ideal masculinity, that men create and project collectively to women, so that women stop sabotaging civilization. Anyway, thanks for the props.
/r/TheRedPill23/01/18 01:38 PM
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What's hilarious is that lesbian women who fill the "she" role in the relationship act just as stupid as straight women. They are attracted to aggressive dykes, and put up with abuse because it makes them feel bonded to the partner. Real object lesson in how fucked the female instinctual subconscious is.
/r/MGTOW23/01/18 01:36 PM
2

This is why I think men need a solidarity consciousness, effected via frame. Many of these problems will fix themselves. Just for emotional support relationships, and commitment, women will cater to male preferences about male value. But not when female preferences run amok.
/r/TheRedPill23/01/18 01:35 PM
1

I have to study, try out, practice, and master game and frame first! I've neglected it. Sure, when I found out about the red pill - after having been treated like shit by women - I tried a little bit of negging and dread game and reaped all kinds of pussy. I looked a girl dead in the eye, after nearly having just met her, and said, "bitch, suck my dick". She loved that I said that, well, complained, but then she sucked my dick and screamed for me to throw her against the wall and fuck her. Disgu…
/r/TheRedPill23/01/18 01:33 PM
4

Let them have it, fix our woman problem in America, ban immigration from Sweden - who apparently don't want to live here anyway.
/r/MGTOW23/01/18 06:40 AM
6

But you are a man, AND ITS MANSES FAULTS!
/r/MGTOW23/01/18 06:39 AM
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Yeah, I mean, women can do whatever they want as individuals. They'll just have to trade in their emotional solipsism and hypergamous sexual drive and male sexual manipulation for reason, creativity and hard work. I'm not like arguing against women here. Just against the negative effects of their subconscious sexual psychology.
/r/TheRedPill23/01/18 06:37 AM
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One project could be an across the board demand for unapologetic male spaces.
/r/TheRedPill23/01/18 05:15 AM
5

You're obviously right, in that the lowest of low me are truly shit bags. But, we're talking about frame here. It's about feeding consistent impressions into the female subconscious. Women are not the problem, not themselves. Their biology is the problem, they don't actually control the thing causing them to be a problem. They can't. Frame is just a way of keeping the beast in check. It's a subconscious war. As for the art women have contribute, meh, I'm still skeptical. Women are nesters, and a…
/r/TheRedPill23/01/18 05:12 AM
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I think what you're proposing is technically correct, but it betrays frame. Proactive measures against female power will appear as weakness, and provoke resistance. The best weapon is the subconscious one. Women don't want to be hardworking, ambitious, professionals - save for maybe sort of kind of a precious few.
/r/TheRedPill23/01/18 05:09 AM
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A woman at work wants help on a project. You tell her no. She asks why. Rather than dodge or walk away, say it's because she doesn't particularly deserve the help because she's not more special than anyone else. She gets others involved. You agree to be nice if they want you to be nice, you agree to be tactful if they demand you be tactful, you agree to everything the "competent professional" you are projecting would agree to. You don't apologize, you don't admit you possibly did a thing wrong, …
/r/MGTOW23/01/18 04:59 AM
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Fascist spain collapsed. It couldn't project itself onto the people it ruled enough to convince/coerce them into keeping it. Saddam's Iraq was a joke, and I would be wary of using any part of that part of the world as an anecdote for civilization. Israel would be fucking SOL without the US billions in military subsidies, and also their asymmetrical nuclear threat against major world cities. Korea was a shithole until it dropped most of its more significant fascist policies. And, as it is, its we…
/r/TheRedPill23/01/18 04:13 AM
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I concur. For MGTOW, however we ended up here and our prior alpha/beta spectrum status, the inner game will help our outer frame. But so will practice, and risk-taking. Since we're MGTOW, chasing pussy is a set up for failure. But you can game and frame over everyday topics, like insisting your football team is the best. Stuff that at worst will cause people to roll their eyes if you sound too arrogant or mess up your frame. Also, our goal is to encourage a "manosphere" wide "Great Frame" solida…
/r/MGTOW23/01/18 04:09 AM
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So, what we MGTOW can do is start making posts on frame. We can limit it to "meta-frame" and sort of make a deal and disclaimer that it's not for getting pussy, that there are other place for that, but that this is an important topic even for us.
/r/MGTOW23/01/18 04:06 AM
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"Metoo is powerful" is correct. "Be careful" is wrong. "Step up and push back" through frame and subconscious manipulation is correct. We can't engage headon. We can't actually argue with them. It has to be through the subconscious. It's their weakpoint, and besides: it's the source of the problem. White Knights are a problem. And all red pillers need to at least ally against that shit. At a minimum pull a dude aside when no bitches are around and call his shit out. For betas, this will make the…
/r/TheRedPill23/01/18 04:05 AM
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Speaking up in casual conversation in class. Being cocky and winning an argument with a woman via willpower not wit. Being able and willing to not back down when white knights challenge. How would MGHOW meta-frame look, compared to PUA game (in a casual conversation). MGHOW would make every concession to equal rights, but then when the matter of equality being impossible, and men or women having to "win", insist that men should win merely because they are better and more powerful. In other words…
/r/MGTOW23/01/18 01:55 AM
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Where is that, I'm curious. Are you really blue pill?
/r/TheRedPill23/01/18 01:42 AM
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I would mostly agree, however here's where I diverge: First, MGTOW needs to take more risks with frame. This is called "speaking up" and it's dangerous. And uncomfortable for those who are more beta. But good, practiced game can't be countered. Because feminism is a female instinctual program. Thus, we can say, "I believe in equal rights for individuals regardless of sex. But, it seems that women really are less able, and I really don't care if that means they end up making less money statistica…
/r/MGTOW23/01/18 01:42 AM
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I would argue that what is really going on these past 100 years, which you've essentially said yourself is that: Reduce the power and control of the state women, and you reduce the power and control of women the state. Hack women through mass frame, and politics will follow. I think that MGTOW presents a compromise for beta men. We're okay with video games, hobbies, sex robots, porn, paid prostitutes, and so forth. If we are permitted that by civilization, we'll support the system. However, to g…
/r/TheRedPill23/01/18 01:35 AM
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It's different because it requires MGTOW to "deal with the woman issue", and learn and practice game techniques. Part of MGTOW is a desire for mental hygiene by removing women from our lives. However, I would contend that physical fitness requires physical pain to get to where you want to be. Likewise mental hygiene isn't a magic rainbow. There's some work from here to there. Second, I believe that frame can counter feminism because I believe that feminism is a result of female subconscious inst…
/r/MGTOW23/01/18 01:30 AM
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Yeah, I mean, this is a shining rainbow amidst a dark hellscape. We should celebrate.
/r/MGTOW23/01/18 01:25 AM
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29 and not 42? Jesus what a story.
/r/MGTOW23/01/18 01:24 AM
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Female evolutionary psychology expects men to basically be killing and dominating each other. Their programming loses context, and they don't know how to act when natural patterns of male behavior aren't expressed. There's no natural limit to female expectations, because evolution expects some alpha male to come in and set them, so women are programmed to ask for it all. Frame is a way of "hacking" female subconscious triggers, in order to mitigate her instinctual shitty behavior she's programme…
/r/MGTOW23/01/18 01:20 AM
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Feminism can't be countered politically. There needs to be a critical mass of men "hacking" female subconscious behavior through frame. That's my theory. And I'm suggesting that MGTOW and PUA, both remaining what we fundamentally are, both might have cause to engage in this project together, to reach the critical mass.
/r/MGTOW23/01/18 01:12 AM
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I was saying that feminism will inevitably come find us, no matter how hard we ghost, and we should adopt PUA technique - not to get girls - but to contribute to male solidarity so that we preserve the space to go our own way. I'm saying it will reach a crisis level.
/r/MGTOW23/01/18 01:11 AM
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OP checking in. What I'm recommending is mostly that we MGTOW adopt "meta-frame". That is, we make an effort to learn game - not to chase tail - but to check feminism. That moral philosophy and MRA won't beat feminism, but that frame will. Moreover, I think GYOW won't stop feminism. In fact, I think feminism will interfere with and intrude into GYOW. Thus, I'm suggesting it might be necessary for us to adopt frame.
/r/MGTOW23/01/18 01:09 AM
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Civilization is the revelation that alpha and beta males have a common cause of cooperation. Neither has to cease being what they are, both will gain greater benefit if only both accede to some basic groundrules. Women are not part of that deal, they are accessories to it. They need to be checked, or they'll cause it to mess up. Alpha and beta need to come to terms and see eye to eye here. Not because it's moral, because it's mutual self-interest, and men are rational.
/r/TheRedPill23/01/18 01:03 AM
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Plenty of nations have been born in peace, and countless empires have died in war. Warfare is a numbers game, in many cases, and not some fucking Cyrano deBergerac fencing match. Most men who write positively about war are men who have watched, but not participated in it. Masculinity is expressed in men in a fist fight/grappling. Not in marching across a battlefield. The latter is an industrial affair, most of the marchers are betas. And fighting can occur in sport.
/r/TheRedPill23/01/18 01:00 AM
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This is the format I've been promoting (imagine a man talking to a feminist woman): I agree that individuals should have equal rights, however there are many cases when equality is just not possible, and either men or women have to be given an advantage. Since I'm a man, I choose for men to get the advantage. Sure, you're correct to fight for feminism, as a woman. But I prefer the other side, and I'm more powerful. More practically, this: If a guy is drunk and also a girl is drunk, and they have…
/r/TheRedPill23/01/18 12:56 AM
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I just would say you have to study hypergamy and red pill theory more. Female desire is like a ladder or ratchet. Men can fuck a hot girl, but still have feelings for, and want to continue fucking a slightly less hot girl they're committed to. The exception is in top alpha males who never commit (except, they often do get tamed by alpha females). Still, these alphas will still stick their dick in less than stellar ass out of sheer need for numbers, out of desire for diverse pussy. Women believe …
/r/TheRedPill23/01/18 12:43 AM
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Rollo explained this in a recent post. Female hypergamy maximizes their advantage. Please check out his site, article has a picture of a chick's head melting. The nitty gritty, I think, is this: in civilization, alpha males don't kill each other as they used to. There was a sort of "there can be only one" effect that's gone now. Women don't have the programming to know what to do without the "there can be only one". An alpha that doesn't either: kill, or become killed, is just a future beta to e…
/r/TheRedPill23/01/18 12:20 AM
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I'll agree that war might be an inevitably. But not as a solution so much as an unfortunate consequence. Alpha men can lead the way here, because the white knights will ultimately follow their lead. That's part of my point. I'm saying Alphas aren't immune from this feminism problem. They - and betas - and everyone male, needs to frame up to the meta-game.
/r/TheRedPill23/01/18 12:14 AM
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First of all, your "alpha fights" paradigm died with the invention of the sword. What matters is organizing thousands of serfs so they produce enough grain to sustain their populations so they represent the bigger army. Added on top of this is the Western way of war which is technology, strategy, and discipline. I won't deny there's masculinity all over it. But it's much more than just "alpha fights". It requires beta participation, and alpha-beta cooperation to the nth degree. Where beta provid…
/r/TheRedPill23/01/18 12:13 AM
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Yeah, because fascism is a LARP which has always failed. It's the assertion of the primitive in the context of civilization to help border betas feel more alpha. MGTOW, I admit, is not utterly masculine.
/r/TheRedPill23/01/18 12:09 AM
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Nice shit test. On the herring to dead whale scale, how's your pussy smell today?
/r/TheRedPill22/01/18 10:45 PM
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Yeah, this is part of the frame I think. Men need to be willing to publicly say that men and women should have equal individual rights, but that clearly women are naturally less able then men, so of course they're going to be perpetually worse off. And that as a man, because you're better and more powerful, you're okay with this and will oppose efforts to give women special help.
/r/TheRedPill22/01/18 10:44 PM
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Masculinity is not defined by imposing your will on others. That's called bitchiness. Masculinity is being able to impose your will on others, but otherwise doing whatever the fuck you want. If you will by definition has to always concern itself with imposing itself on others, than it's not really will. You're a slave to constant war. You're a bitch, serving violence itself. MGTOW has soft-ass cucky elements, that can't be argued. But MGTOW is much more focused on male freedom and self-improveme…
/r/TheRedPill22/01/18 10:42 PM
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Women don't desire sex as frequently, but they need it more. Their lives are hyper-focused on getting sex from the right man. Their focus is much more narrow. My point is that one frame men could take is that "pump-and-dump is the norm ladies, it's here to stay, deal with it." If men stopped throwing the "yeah, I love you babe, I'm here for you forever" shit at women - en masse - it would be a rude awakening for women. Women would adjust to pump-and-dump, because once they realize it's a reality…
/r/TheRedPill22/01/18 10:31 PM
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So, what you're touching on is AWALT. Feminism as a discrete ideology isn't a problem. It's not the fault of "the Jews" (just for example). It's women. A sufficiently advanced civilization will see feminism manifest as a natural consequence of innate female behavior reacting to civilization. Women didn't build it anyway, they were dragged into it. Civilization is a male project, and figuring out how to defend it from female behavior is a male problem to solve. I'm proposing the answer. Not war. …
/r/TheRedPill22/01/18 10:23 PM
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Regardless, feminism is more than a shit test. It's also females not being able to figure out how the fuck to integrate into civilization - something they didn't build themselves, something they were dragged into. So, what their imperative is seeking, in fact, is a return to the primitive. Because they're seeking an environment that makes sense to them.
/r/TheRedPill22/01/18 10:14 PM
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Yeah, there are a lot of people here throwing out the "MGTOWs are fucking pussies, they're little bitches who should shut the fuck up and GTFO." That's not being alpha, that's being a bitch. Frame simulates being alpha, because alphas have automatic frame. And being alpha means "doing what the fuck you want because you know you'll get away with it." So frame projects that confidence. It only works because human behavior, women especially, is fucked. We respond to cues more than logic. Seeming li…
/r/TheRedPill22/01/18 10:12 PM
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The "Greeks" did not stand at the hot gates, don't be a fucking idiot. Some Spartans did, and in the process removed themselves from the gene pool. That doesn't invalidate your overall point about conflict, but you've got some weak ass shit in there. The male imperative is resource acquisition, because those who pass on genes (wombs, women), pass male genes in trade for resources. Now, this immediately imposes competitive constraints, so men also have to be dominant. Likewise, the female imperat…
/r/TheRedPill22/01/18 10:05 PM
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You're 100% right. It's exactly this. Betas are not dying fast enough, first of all, and women don't need beta providers as badly, second of all. But also, alphas don't control resources as directly either. Let's be clear about what the alpha male is. Tribal/herd evolution means that the whole is greater than the sum of the parts, in terms of what can be accomplished. But a group needs to be coordinated. Mathematical laws of the universe show that the Pareto ratio 80-20, defines optimal distribu…
/r/TheRedPill22/01/18 09:55 PM
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First of all, I don't think feminism is merely a meta shit test. It's a true threat and has to do with human socio-biology and the game theoretic differences between civilized society and primitive society, and how men and women react to it differently. I think all men - alpha and beta - benefit from civilization. So whatever we get by "being alpha" we get more by having technology and a few logical ground rules, and some cooperation. This doesn't factor for women. Unchecked, they will wreck civ…
/r/TheRedPill22/01/18 09:49 PM
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Yeah, MGTOW etc have much more work to do, in comparison. But TRP can engage more with MGTOW to argue that frame is essential even if you've given up on pussy. And also, some TRP think that their alpha-hood makes them immune to female power, and that attitude also needs to change.
/r/TheRedPill22/01/18 09:21 PM
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Not asking you to give up game. Think of this: "Where male and female rights can be balance equally, I favor that. Where one must prevail a little over the other, I favor the male side because I'm a man. And I'm more powerful than you so just forget about it." That's the frame I'm recommending.
/r/TheRedPill22/01/18 09:20 PM
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Bitchiness/Cattiness doesn't mean you're alpha. You're spamming a non-argument, maybe to project the status you prefer for yourself? Kind of pathetic. Plenty of dudes annoyed by women, had plenty of pussy, get more fulfillment from other things, doing exactly what they want, which is perfectly alpha. But TRP is just as threatened by female imperative as MGTOW right now. No one wants you to give up your chase - though I can't imagine you're that successful. Where TRP can do differently is underst…
/r/TheRedPill22/01/18 09:18 PM
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I don't think you are a BP shill, but you seem like one. Do you want me to explain?
/r/TheRedPill22/01/18 09:08 PM
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It's that beta Germans living in Naziism can claim "We conquered this", when there's no we kemosabe. It's trying to satiate female imperative by pretending all males are alpha. Actual civilization doesn't require men to all be alphas to each other. What i'm proposing is that men only need to hold alpha frame against all women. If you want some alpha ethno-state paradise that's fine, but we can still cooperate on the basis of borders.
/r/TheRedPill22/01/18 08:21 PM
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Nazi Germany was a LARP, I'm sorry, but it was. And it was way more feminine and leftist than you're willing to admit. Rather, it conceded a lot to female imperative. Nazi style socialism is just a way to make betas feel alpha. That's not what civilization is, fundamentally. Civilization is where alphas and betas realize that everyone's interests are actually better served through property boundaries and cooperation vs competition in that context.
/r/TheRedPill22/01/18 07:55 PM
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Sure, you're right. However, there's a great stakes here. Which is that it's no longer about personal relationships and how individual men interact with individual women. It's about men collectively being able to maintain civilization in spite of female imperative
/r/TheRedPill22/01/18 07:52 PM
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Example of frame application: "A drunk male and a drunk female have sex" Feminist: "It's rape". Sane person: "But they were both drunk." Feminist: "But something something penetration, nature of men and women, female strength less, blah blah blah" Sane person: "Exactly. You're totally correct in wanting the burden of proof to be on the man. However, the way I see it is that since both the boy and the girl were drunk, that rather than being a matter of what's morally right, it's just a matter of …
/r/TheRedPill22/01/18 07:49 PM
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It's not enough to "not give a shit", IMO. This is my point. Even MGTOW, even if we "don't give a shit", still have to build and maintain frame. The frame, in this case, is more than "I don't care". It's specifically, "I'm a man, and so my preferences as a man matter more than all female preferences, because I'm more powerful." Even if your preference is solitude, you are asserting that you are able to pursue that in spite of female opinion, not because of your own Dao, but because you are more …
/r/TheRedPill22/01/18 07:07 PM
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So where I disagree subtly has been expressed by another commenter. Women need sex and love more than men. One subtle thing about MGTOW that I don't think you give enough credit to is the power men gain vis-a-vis women by "fucking off". Your concession all that matters is "the future", is where I, as a MGTOW, find fatal flaw with your philosophy. The future, IMO, doesn't matter because the day will come when all humanity, even all the universe, will be dead and forgotten. An individual man can f…
/r/TheRedPill22/01/18 07:03 PM
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I would agree, before today. The Irish Elk antler size phenomenon. However, today's comment made me rethink it. After all, vagina size adjusts to penis size. This seems to be so it can "get" the sperm of even smaller penises. However, since we know the penis head rim implies that when a women gets inseminated, nature expects other men to follow shortly after. If this, therefore, means "orgies" were commonplace in reproductive habits (at one time), then vaginas would necessarily adjust to the lar…
/r/MGTOW22/01/18 05:30 PM
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It's literally just female hypergamy bullshit. "Useless" is just referring to whether they want you. But they're not loyal to even huge dick, they just neurotically chase the late great and last best thing they had.
/r/MGTOW22/01/18 05:25 PM
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Monthly ovulation cycle "girls night out" instant sex. And any other time when she feels bored or lonely. And, then, the rest of the time "I'm not even a slut because I don't even want sex today".
/r/MGTOW22/01/18 03:39 PM
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So, thinking about the rim of the penis head and female love of big dick (how it looks, moreso than necessarily how it feels, though that all depends), it reveals something. Big dick is just a phenomenon to create sexual value differentiation between men. This is why women shame men so frequently of public claims of small dick. Nature needs a 20% top Chad situation, because that fulfills the Pareto ratio which distributes resources optimally within a social structure (20% of men having 80% of re…
/r/MGTOW22/01/18 03:37 PM
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Yeah, that's what I mean. I'm not saying it's a useful function or a helpful function. But it's factually a function they serve. Point being that they really don't offer much else. They're net takers.
/r/MGTOW21/01/18 08:48 PM
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Yeah, I see what you mean. I might express what I think you're saying as this: 100% of women want 20% of men, so there will be a lot of losers.
/r/MGTOW21/01/18 08:47 PM
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The marriage horse? Naw jk.
/r/MGTOW21/01/18 08:29 PM
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This is the purple pill, as far as I'm concerned. Humans, individually, are animals. Only in aggregate, as best traits filter up into outcomes, does humanity appear to be more. Only expressed through rare individuals, and the rest reap the benefit of their discoveries. And even those individuals have depended on the overall tribe.
/r/MGTOW21/01/18 08:28 PM
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Yeah, "the first thing they'd do is artificial insemination, immediately." Um, I think they'd just sit around in a stupor for a couple months until food started running out, then panic until the dyke took over and started death squads.
/r/MGTOW21/01/18 08:26 PM
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I don't agree with this. Women could just wait until the third, or fifth date, and then be loyal, but also frequently have sex. The problem is they have "anti-desire" to a degree, once commitment is obtained.
/r/MGTOW21/01/18 08:17 PM
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Yeah, this happened to me. Men left mom behind, so she made me her emotional provider. Talons latched. No escape if you're 7 years old. Because you still need her, especially with dad gone.
/r/MGTOW21/01/18 08:12 PM
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Well, they also coordinate male behavior toward a common purpose. Not that men can't also work that out themselves, but technically women do two things for society.
/r/MGTOW21/01/18 07:15 PM
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Women's hypergamy utter selfishness blinds them to the struggles of the majority of men anything that doesn't help them have more status and comfort.
/r/MGTOW21/01/18 06:52 PM
1

I like to make the contrast to "what could be", because it defines a baseline of reasonability. We can then conclude that our experiences are in fact, unreasonable.
/r/MGTOW21/01/18 06:35 PM
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Good hyperbole but Million Pound march is better because "pounds" are what you read off the scale.
/r/MGTOW21/01/18 06:28 PM
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Hmm, young, beautiful women feel confident, empowered, and full of endless opportunities? While older women hedge their bets, and are more cautious? Maybe it has to do with the thousands of thirsty dick constantly showering said young ones with attention, versus the utter lack of this later in life?
/r/MGTOW21/01/18 06:26 PM
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The sad thing is how women cause this through their natures. If biology was different, then just a little bit of effort into the chase, sustained by just a little bit of effort into the relationship, would lead toward long term happiness for both people. However, female nature drives them not only to be unsatisfied with most men, but to almost never feel fully satisfied. Their need to chase better genes at all costs sabotages stable, healthy, happy relationships. Only men whose genes are already…
/r/MGTOW21/01/18 05:46 PM
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Um, genetic programming is incredibly complicated, and can absolutely plan multigenerationally.
/r/MGTOW21/01/18 12:41 AM
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Yes, this is theoretically part of the strategy. If a man has children with a woman, he'll be more committed to providing for her, for his kids' sake. So women have to "give a couple up" to the provider, seeking alpha genes on the side. This is called "beta bux/alpha fux" However, actual science has speculated that there is a "beta fux". Again, the idea is that women who are less likely to get their turn with the alpha can improve their long term genetic chances by breeding with beta males. The …
/r/MGTOW20/01/18 09:09 PM
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It was at one time in evolutionary history about reproduction - provably. Now, as I mention in my post, more of the 80% men get to reproduce than at that one time. Another way of putting is that females want to have reproduce with the 20% of the men, but have to also sometime reproduce with members of the 80%. This would, in effect, created the 20% getting 80% of the sex phenomenon you mention.
/r/MGTOW20/01/18 08:49 PM
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If men were the same as women then MGTOW would be the same as feminism. But we're not the same, and we express our disdain for each other differently (we seek to stand out of the way, and live our lives for ourselves; they seek to double down on power and manipulation over men)
/r/MGTOW20/01/18 05:39 PM
1

Evolutionary. Psychology. Your parents and grandparents fucked for a reason, and so you're here for that reason. Better or worse.
/r/MGTOW20/01/18 07:11 AM
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Stolen concepts is a phenomenon of argumentation by which a person asserts values implicitly necessary in their argument, but neglects to invoke them or outright denies their use. Purpose can't both be a personal good and a universal good. It's either personally relevant alone, or universally defined. A stolen concept is projecting a sense of that which is personally good, but logically, universally irrelevant, and trying to uphold it as universally good. For example.
/r/MGTOW20/01/18 07:07 AM
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Slept with every woman in the office, regardless of their relationship status. I wonder how often that happens. The "secret society" you know.
/r/MGTOW20/01/18 06:03 AM
2

And, excuse me for five minutes...
/r/MGTOW20/01/18 05:59 AM
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The best part is when you say: "Okay, I will no longer care about sex. So what do I get out of a relationship again?" Stimulating conversation? Not likely. Loyalty and support? You've got to be kidding. Common interest? If you like eating and watching Netflix - two things you could do alone better and cheaper, or more fun with male buddies.
/r/MGTOW17/01/18 04:42 AM
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Well, the advice is true. Women want you to be a nice guy. They just hate that you'd ever think you might have sex with them.
/r/MGTOW17/01/18 04:40 AM
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1) At least you got some 2) Women. do. not. care. about. you. It's your job to care about them, and their job to follow their every whim. "Don't be an asshole."
/r/MGTOW17/01/18 04:39 AM
2

reverse rape!!
/r/MGTOW17/01/18 04:36 AM
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No duty.
/r/MGTOW17/01/18 01:03 AM
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Tradcons want to overturn equality. We just want to be left alone from false accusations and welfare taxes and affirmative action and so forth. In terms of our personal goals, it's just a matter of saying no thanks to the idea of a relationship with a woman.
/r/MGTOW17/01/18 12:55 AM
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I think that it would be good to create one, I just argue it's not necessary or our duty.
/r/MGTOW17/01/18 12:54 AM
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MGTOW, the only smart move for us "incel, neckbeard, losers". FTFY Yeah, go right on ladies. We have removed ourselves from your lives and will bother you no more.
/r/MGTOW17/01/18 12:40 AM
1

Well, at least those Germans are clear and efficient.
/r/MGTOW17/01/18 12:25 AM
1

Yeah, I know. But why do we have to build such a thing? For power? Whose power? Who is us? How will we determine how this robotic mind comes to conclusions? There's a shaky foundation there.
/r/MGTOW17/01/18 12:24 AM
1

It is necessary though, because some day everyone will be dead. If you can't assign higher purpose to humanity, then humanity serves no function except to the extent its fruits are beneficial to you today. There's no reason to want humans to keep being a thing, unless "I just want it to keep existing on some level". Which is a reason that goes away after you die. You're assigning higher abstract value to something that has no such value. There has to be a cause for you to want to do this, so it'…
/r/MGTOW17/01/18 12:23 AM
1

This isn't already the case with conventional technology? We have rulers already. Why would AI change things?
/r/MGTOW16/01/18 03:09 PM
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Well, yeah, you seem like you're definitely from Central-West Europe.
/r/MGTOW16/01/18 03:08 PM
3

They do seem, almost universally, annoyingly insecure. Like, grow some balls bitch! Wait, what? You don't have any? Oh, so now you admit that.
/r/MGTOW16/01/18 03:06 PM
1

Why is creating thinking machines important?
/r/MGTOW16/01/18 03:04 PM
1

Humans will be extinct if... So. What?
/r/MGTOW16/01/18 03:03 PM
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I never hold the door for women under 50 anymore. Not ever. It's important for them to grow the fuck up and this Western treating women like angels has to end. Women are, essentially, inferior men. That's all they are. Add in a host of other problems. Can they compete and participate in normal society, if they have the right attitude? Probably. But, just like it is for men, that's their problem to work out. There's no reason to hate women, but as soon as you stop looking at them with your dick, …
/r/MGTOW16/01/18 05:23 AM
1

Only life in the abstract has any meaning. Only by trying to reach an expression of life and beauty to the fullest extent possible, perhaps leaving something behind if we can, but it not being at all necessary, do we make any meaning in life.
/r/MGTOW16/01/18 05:11 AM
1

So life is an adaptation to serve that purpose. But life is still a thing itself, in the abstract. Anyway, because heat death is inevitable, it doesn't matter if it happens sooner, or later. But happiness has meaning to me today. See?
/r/MGTOW16/01/18 05:04 AM
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Oh, oops, busted. Thanks Mr. Logic for straightening me out.
/r/MGTOW16/01/18 05:03 AM
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Why though? What makes it necessary for a thing called humanity to exist? That feeling you have, that imperative, it's just bullshit like your desire to provide for a woman. Humanity does exist, it happens to. Okay, cool. That's what matters, not some higher purpose.
/r/MGTOW16/01/18 05:02 AM
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Why is that our purpose? Why do we have to have a purpose? Who are "we"? What made us that?
/r/MGTOW16/01/18 03:25 AM
1

And so haven't the marriage rates declined since? Because men realize that marrying a woman in her late 20s is a raw deal. Marriage is rough enough as it is. You might as well get the best deal.
/r/MGTOW16/01/18 12:28 AM
1

So, when the ratio was higher, what was the average age of marriage?
/r/MGTOW16/01/18 12:14 AM
1

If only you could read faster than at a snail's pace.
/r/MGTOW15/01/18 11:51 PM
1

Yes, but in that context there are still mechanisms of keeping legs shut or opening them. And yes, rape would play into those mechanisms as well. What matters in a civilization that enables individual choice and dignity is whether a woman consents to sex or resists giving consent. And what mechanisms control her desire to give consent or not.
/r/MGTOW15/01/18 11:48 PM
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I disagree. That 1 man would be the worst slave the world has known. Women are abusive and powerhungry too - the alpha women at least. The difference is that men can moderate their power, and show restraint and compassion. In nature, it's up to male power to show restraint. While females sometimes convince men to show mercy, I can't imagine that female powerlust has any natural limiting factors - since male power itself would be the natural limiter. So, without male power around, I think female …
/r/MGTOW15/01/18 07:13 PM
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Good points, minus the inaccurate out-of-context cartoon examples. As for women on the micro level. Here's your micro level: if average women would just be willing to have sex with average men on a regular basis as reciprocity for other intimacy and mutual trust, towards a bonded, enduring relationship, we'd have none of these problems at all. But female attraction doesn't work that way. It literally is the saboteur of relationships, because it's innately positioned to find dissatisfaction when …
/r/MGTOW15/01/18 07:11 PM
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I think women are diverse on this, but then it's a matter of the amount of say introverted women is much much less than the number of female extroverts. Plus, I don't think it would be unreasonable to claim that a 99% majority of females probably take some of their emotions for granted as being reality. Men do this two, but our instinctual prerogatives are a little different, and much more attuned to real-world conditions. So, our emotions dictate reality, but to a great degree our emotions conf…
/r/MGTOW15/01/18 07:06 PM
1

Young women sense the need to go out and have experience in the world, and they name their need that way. Young men have a similar urge to conquer, to invent, to achieve. Both are sexual urges, without realizing, perhaps. For women, what they are really trying to do is determine their own sexual marketplace value. True, they might not have to have sex with a bunch of men to figure this out. But they do need a lot of social experience, and they need to broaden their social perceptual horizons. Fo…
/r/MGTOW15/01/18 07:04 PM
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In Japan, the patriarchal elements came from Samurai tradition. And the Samurai were sort of an innovation or novelty in Japanese history. Traditional, ancient, Yamato culture had goddesses, female emperors, and rice communism. When that culture self-obsessed over court politics and intrigue, the resultant breakdown in law and order led to the rise of the Samurai. Even so, the Samurai always had to pretend to play within the old system. This is why Samurai consider money to be dishonorable, and …
/r/MGTOW15/01/18 06:55 PM
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How can you discuss entropy and morality in the same few sentences? You realize that your philosophy relies on stolen concepts? That you're forcing meaning into a place where it doesn't exist? Are you Sam Harris?
/r/MGTOW15/01/18 06:51 PM
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To be honest, tribal sex was probably orgiastic. Women - like cats - moan during sex to alert other males that she's about to receive semen. The moaning then is a turn on to men, to then fuck her and have their try. In all likelihood, the chief and his deputies and the harem filled the large tent, while most men were kept outside. To be honest, we're probably (definitely given penis shape) all descended partially from Alpha. The point is that females always ratchet up to their generation's top 2…
/r/MGTOW15/01/18 06:49 PM
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Yeah, there's no deeper meaning. But some arbitrary human traits are objectively more helpful. Like the male desire to explore, tinker, and invent.
/r/MGTOW15/01/18 06:46 PM
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In a certain sense you're right. A girl who doesn't "pass the bar" is probably going to be more of a handful then women already are. If your baseline for women is already incorporating some redpills, then yes, demanding all that as a prerequisite to spending your life with a naggy woman makes some sense.
/r/MGTOW15/01/18 06:45 PM
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I'm pointing out that a patriarchy is worse. Patriarchy is forced no-birth control, and no rights for women. This system is not even patriarchy. I'm pointing out only what a gynocracy we live in, the way single motherhood is treated.
/r/MGTOW15/01/18 06:44 PM
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I also think there's a mechanism to get you to risk death rather than stay in the tribe. I think the little tribes were probably close to each other geographically, and probably mostly genetically similar. So, getting adopted by other tribes was an option, but a risky thing to try.
/r/MGTOW15/01/18 06:43 PM
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They wrote a play in ancient athens about women taking over. It's all about power. It's about control over resource distribution. If there are more men you have to marry them, even betas, for resources. The goal is to skip that step. To have the betas pay taxes until 30, then die.
/r/MGTOW15/01/18 06:42 PM
1

So prison for crimes is slavery now.
/r/MGTOW15/01/18 06:40 PM
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This doesn't count people who didn't get married at all. If the country's marriage rate is sufficiently low, then the statistic you cite is irrelevant.
/r/MGTOW15/01/18 06:39 PM
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Reddit isn't a scientific journal. People in this community have seen enough studies and surveys, this is just collecting information that is already widely understood. So, you're basically a shill so get outta here.
/r/MGTOW15/01/18 06:37 PM
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It's great that with Tinder and all even celebrities fall just shy of the mark. Haha, what a world. I suppose it would be tragic, if women in general offered anything of incredible value as individuals.
/r/MGTOW15/01/18 08:25 AM
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Yeah, women hate the fact the men are sexually interested in them - something which has been taken for granted through time. Unless you're hot. Which, you can be hot today, but then disgusting as soon as some hotter guy shows up. It's not just change of preference. Women are indignant and disgusted when men like them sexually. Unless you're hot, then its awesome. And again, if you ask a woman whether this is a tad hypocritical or at least flippant, they'll insist it's not at all. Because, to the…
/r/MGTOW15/01/18 08:22 AM
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But why kill men though? I think it's because the men are getting in the way of something for them. And, obviously, have no worth in their eyes. The something is their power in society as women.
/r/MGTOW15/01/18 07:36 AM
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I know that most women are not members of the "secret society". Because, for one, they're indoctrinated to social norms. They fear the wrath of social judgment for misbehavior, and inaccurately perceive that they'd get caught. But, I think all women are able to join the secret society naturally. What blows my mind is the idea that women would automatically keep secret certain behavior - even from their own perception of reality. To literally believe that they didn't cheat, when they did. Pre-sel…
/r/MGTOW15/01/18 07:35 AM
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hyperbolic plea for male population reduction Plea for more female power, according to a mismatch between innate expectations and perceptions.
/r/MGTOW15/01/18 07:12 AM
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Oh jesus, this guy. I don't mind women being hardwired for anything. I'm just admitting that they're hardwired for something that's not my happiness or satisfaction. And so I'll seek it somewhere other than from relationships. That's all. Your "optimum conscious intelligence" is just as arbitrary and bound in the meaninglessness of tautological justification as any primitive individual barbarian.
/r/MGTOW15/01/18 07:11 AM
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Yeah, good mention of the beatles. I think another status/desire trigger for women is the behavior of other women. The groupie instinct exists, and is about sex. It's about defining status, among the other ways. And, like you said, yeah, women seem less sexual. No, they are just not that sexually into you. I bet most women who score Chad have a natural instinct to keep it secret. I've heard of this "secret society" that PUAs who were former blue pill betas talk about. Basically, they'll run a so…
/r/MGTOW15/01/18 07:09 AM
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Funny how most girls I know loved high school, and LOVED college. "I just felt so optimistic at that age, like anything was possible."
/r/MGTOW15/01/18 06:27 AM
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It's a matter of hating the way things are or the way people do things. Individuals are great, but these same individuals have a habit of going "pod people" and when you're trying to encourage them to act out and express how they really believe, they make the self-imposed choice to conform to the crowd.
/r/MGTOW15/01/18 05:37 AM
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It's complicated. In Japan men refuse to marry women over 22, and demand women cook and clean and don't have careers and do everything they say. Obviously, most women aren't up for this. So men ignore those women. Japanese men are almost like women. They turn down sex until their perfect sheChad shows up, and will stay virgins forever waiting for unicorn. Meanwhile, Japanese women are harpies. Cute and sweet and shy, until you're in a relationship, and then the demands start. You know how women …
/r/MGTOW15/01/18 05:33 AM
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Haha, but you see, I was trying to be humane.
/r/MGTOW15/01/18 03:00 AM
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What? Uh, no. Just prison for mom. And since "omg splitting up moms and kids" - which is an option. Mom to jail, kids to foster system. Well, another option is to let the kids live with mom. The jail isn't a prison cell, it's a locked apartment. The kids have to go to school, and they have to meet curfews, and if they get into trouble there would be detention/grounding. And like any other situation, they could request to enter the foster system. Look, this is just how minors are handled in gener…
/r/MGTOW15/01/18 02:51 AM
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Church will save only a few, and then only God will save them. Morality and ethics huh? Which is a thing only about 30% of men and 5% of women actually take seriously. Secondly, why are you so antagonistic? You're just trying to argue it seems like. You said: So having a kid and receiving welfare is a crime now. What about single fathers receiving welfare? Are they going to be treated the same? I've addressed this clearly. If you are already receiving welfare, and then have another kid, that wou…
/r/MGTOW15/01/18 02:46 AM
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She's 36. Yeah, not NAWALT. Women who hit the wall get desperate. For many men, especially in their 40s and 50s, this is a great pool of easy going sex. Your problem is exactly that she's withdrawing affection. It means she ran out of providers in her life, and thought you'd be a good one. Maybe you have alpha qualities, but aren't like the sex she's had in the past. She fucked you into her life, and now that you're there, she's going reluctant again. Female sexual habits are all about trying to…
/r/MGTOW15/01/18 02:33 AM
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Whole foods is sort of hilarious like that. The 8s and 9s all shop there with their beta-Chad bfs (really hot guys who have brains and money, but are BP as fuck since they never had to work for pussy, but who believe in true love and commitment and shit). It's amazing the degree to which Whole Foods, especially overpriced as it is, is such a status signaling beacon. Like, all the ladder climbing hypergamous champions are attracted to that place like flies to a blacklight zapper. Really reveals j…
/r/MGTOW15/01/18 02:12 AM
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Relationships trigger deep automatic dopamine release in your body. You are born naturally addicted to female positive attention. That's. All. You're missing nothing real. The one thing you're missing is the real-life confidence of knowing that declining relationships is your choice. People use shame to get men to accept women into their lives, and you can be plagued with doubt unless you know that in fact you've been with women and it wasn't that great. But, as long as you acknowledge that that…
/r/MGTOW15/01/18 02:08 AM
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A woman has never made me a sandwich. About three or four times, a woman has made part of a meal for me. And it might as well have been a national holiday the big fucking deal she made about chopping up a salad.
/r/MGTOW15/01/18 02:05 AM
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But feminism is also politicized female imperative. So women emotionally want to be able to control and have access to 100% of the resources of their male, or of all males. This is an emotional impulse. So anything less feels "unfair" and "not quite right". Feminism is the political expression of women trying to "have it all" and "have their cake and eat it". Literally, as much as men will literally let them get away with having.
/r/MGTOW15/01/18 02:02 AM
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Equal to a woman means this: First, all women deserve to be paired with a top 20% man (since bottom 80% don't count). Don't ask how that works mathematically. Second, everything the one man has, it should all belong to the woman. That's equality, the way they mean it.
/r/MGTOW15/01/18 02:00 AM
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In my OP I kind of mentioned forced birth control but then clarified later in that same OP the nuance. The women are kept away from people who might make them pregnant. Visiting rights are contingent on accepting birth control. The birth control shots for welfare recipients is voluntary, but it's a "no excuses" clause for women who get pregnant while already on welfare. You don't have to take BC to get the aid, the rule is just don't get pregnant because you're not in a position to provide for t…
/r/MGTOW15/01/18 01:57 AM
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An ugly or fat girl being called beautiful - I can't fathom what they mean when they say this. I mean, sure, it could be all about them just saying "f- it". But, no, I think they have a specific meaning. I think what women really mean when they try to insist that ugly is beautiful is that they are trying to ratchet up their hypergamy position. In other words, if a fat ugly bitch is "beautiful" it means she can catch dick. It doesn't mean she's beautiful. In other words, it's a way that women try…
/r/MGTOW15/01/18 01:36 AM
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No, the kids aren't "in jail". They have all the freedom kids have - which isn't as much freedom as adults have. They also have a right to seek foster parenthood, with visiting rights with mom, if they choose. Or, they can live with mom. You realize America has like 20 million people in jail for petty things, just so we don't have to deal with the social problem of what to do with them if they have the right to wander the streets? In my view, that's not a solution, but it's the one that exists i…
/r/MGTOW15/01/18 01:32 AM
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My plan specifically avoids giving the state any control over the womb, or over the lives of children. It simply curtails the freedom of moms to keep getting pregnant over and over, if they've already demonstrated lack of responsibility. Getting pregnant affects the child, too. Instead of mandating abortion, you just stop the problem from happening again. And, you're not compelling the mother to do anything. She has made a choice to endanger a child. You're protecting children from harm that sin…
/r/MGTOW15/01/18 01:26 AM
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The prison is like a dorm, like a juvie for the kids. They have the right to apply for foster parenthood if they want, or even adoption. Their choice. They can even live in the dorm away from their mother. Or, they can live with the mom in her "apartment". The kids will have freedom, and that freedom will only be curtailed by basic rules of the house. Curfews, no drugs, that kind of thing. The mothers, however, are in jail. They can't go out, they don't have freedom. However, they can get like a…
/r/MGTOW15/01/18 01:23 AM
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I mean, sure, go your own way for now. I'm all for that. But in like 10-20 years it'll be a shitshow, this whole country. Maybe, possibly, Asia will be okay - if they still let white people in then.
/r/MGTOW15/01/18 01:15 AM
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Think about what a colon means.
/r/MGTOW15/01/18 01:13 AM
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Yeah, the tweaker who tried to slash my car tires, and the homeless people who try to jump me as I walk to the grocery store is just me worrying about women too much.
/r/MGTOW15/01/18 01:13 AM
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Wait what, making women go to jail for endangering their kids' wellbeing, after first providing a full plate of welfare, and then providing for all the needs in jail - that's Mao?
/r/MGTOW15/01/18 01:12 AM
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I seriously dated a single mom once. Super gave her the benefit of the doubt. Not as redpilled then. The father was literally a homeless Latin American who played guitar. She thought, after dating him three weeks, they'd get married and go move to his country. Fucked him with no birth control. Two weeks after finding out she was pregnant, "Oh shit, I don't want to live there." Her explanation for it all: "we all make mistakes". So I gave her the benefit of the doubt. Eventually met her son, was …
/r/MGTOW15/01/18 01:10 AM
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Read the title.
/r/MGTOW15/01/18 01:03 AM
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I've had older woman like mentors express shock when they realize that it took me some time into adult hood to realize that everyone's playing a game. I once believed in honor, integrity, honesty, intelligence, facts, problem solving. She had thought that everyone knew, by the time they were coming out of childhood, that it was all just a game. And that everyone was always trying to play it to their own advantage.
/r/MGTOW14/01/18 09:20 PM
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Goes to show. She was obviously very naive for thinking she would convince me. Obviously she hadn't reasoned out this plan. It's clear that beta bux was what her female drives were pushing her to do, and she was playing out her instincts. If she had thought about it for one second she would have used frequent sex for a couple weeks at least to capture me, and then slowly weaned.
/r/MGTOW14/01/18 08:14 PM
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relationships with men are all about power for women. Men have intrinsic power, so we don't care about it. But women are obsessed with power, and that's what relationships do for them. Look at tv ads. Purest love that women have for "hubby" is always framed as possessiveness over a "won the lottery" mate. How he fits into, and amplifies their social status. Hubby is always loved in the context of a like a party or social gathering, or big even "she" is the hostess of. It's also why women are obs…
/r/MGTOW14/01/18 07:23 PM
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Girl begged to be my gf, then we had sex, then the next day she said that she wanted to make sure I knew we would only have sex once a month because she liked me, but we weren't a good match in bed. And I said then I'll date other people, but she insisted that was shallow of me. Then I asked if she liked sex, and she said normally she likes it every day. She admitted that our relationship was a stretch for her, but she loved my personality and would give it a go. I said that maybe we should just…
/r/MGTOW14/01/18 07:19 PM
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Either, they will either claim more sexual assault It's capitalism, baby. It's why we have heated homes and don't have to die for the King or eat shit for dinner. Women can try to claim rape as whores, but they'd lose ca$h to the next girl. That's the power of market forces, which are morally neutral and serve to meet demand at the balance. Me could just dominate women, but then that would be back to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob 101, with male competition, war, and disposability all over again. Fem…
/r/MGTOW12/01/18 10:38 PM
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4 year old is sincere.
/r/MGTOW12/01/18 03:08 PM
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My sister is the biggest fucking feminist in the world. She dresses her son in dresses, and forbids anything dolls or disney for the girls. No matter how hard she tries, the boy plays with lego all day, and the girls have begged for two years to have a doll. In any event, over at r/starwars I commented that I was bullied in elementary school for reading a star wars novel in the cafeteria, and that's part of why it particularly hurts for that franchise to openly declare that its male fans are pat…
/r/MGTOW12/01/18 03:08 PM
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At survival training in the Air Force, some kid was telling a girl that she's going to cheat on the fiance she was bragging about. She said, "I'm not like that." He asked, "Are you a girl?" "Yes" "Are you in the Air Force?" "Yes" "Then you'll cheat on him."
/r/MGTOW11/01/18 08:21 PM
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I bet this will go to Supremes and be in national news in 18 months - right at the popping of the gynocentrism bubble, right as Oprah is getting ready to run for office.
/r/MGTOW11/01/18 03:43 AM
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This is. A . Big. Deal.
/r/MGTOW11/01/18 03:41 AM
1

Just a topic of interest related to something academic.
/r/MGTOW11/01/18 03:39 AM
1

An MRA is someone who is friends with a MGTOW, who is also married man who hasn't lost his job yet.
/r/MGTOW11/01/18 01:51 AM
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Yeah, feminism and MGTOW would be the same if men and women are the same. They aren't, so the two philosophies differ radically in their perspectives.
/r/MGTOW11/01/18 01:49 AM
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MGTOWs say that male-female relationships - if they occur in the context of romance, which itself is a biological drive with intrinsic properties - are dangerous and unfulfilling to the majority of men in a modern individual rights civilization. Feminists seek social change and legislation that directly affects, control, and impedes men. I've never heard of feminists who went off to quietly form their own colony of women to thrive free of the oppression of men. MGTOWs don't make colonies, but we…
/r/MGTOW11/01/18 01:48 AM
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Women are so predisposed to seeking good sperm that sex with an alpha male as a goal to completely prioritize over good relationships or social responsibility is upheld as almost self-evident. Conversely, they also hold the idea that men out there ought to be providing for them, as women, to be equally self-evident. If I said, "Women say they're asexual, and refuse to sleep with their providers or husbands, but then meet a guy they find to be attractive and then immediately sleep with him; this …
/r/MGTOW11/01/18 01:42 AM
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Unbelievable how fucking far men will go just because their status is just high enough to pull mediocre pussy. Mind you, only top 30-40% would pull dick-sucking pussy for marriage. These are men who think, many of them, that they're better than the 60-70% below them. And women certainly think that way. But, just because they get the pretty smile they have no nuts at all. Seriously? What will a woman you're not married to do if you just tell her no? My mantra is quick becoming that sex is immoral…
/r/MGTOW11/01/18 01:29 AM
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traditionalist Conformatist - i.e.: is this the thing that they want me to do right now? Is this the thing that is mutually approved.
/r/MGTOW10/01/18 01:52 AM
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Yeah, the lazy carelessness, thoughtlessness is mind-boggling. Might just be a matter of "SF" rather than "NT" personality type them. More women of that personality type. You have to fuck up IRL, and get shamed, before being able to actually do something correctly.
/r/MGTOW09/01/18 10:06 PM
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And yet, the women I know seem to derive incredible pride from throwing a thing into the microwave. "Look at the work I did, appreciate it." And leaving the wrapper and box on the counter afterward...
/r/MGTOW09/01/18 10:03 PM
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Well, dude is basically a genius. And they chose to fuck with him. Shows what happens when your executives are affirmative action hires.
/r/MGTOW09/01/18 02:02 AM
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And you can do clothes-on shiatsu massage, where it's always better with the man, and way less intimate. Relaxing to the point of passing out. Less zen and more like hitting that sweet spot of being able to NGAF for an hour.
/r/MGTOW09/01/18 02:01 AM
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Yeah, basically any problem that society allows to occur to any woman is society being sexist. But men should man up and are responsible for preventing their own problems.
/r/MGTOW09/01/18 01:59 AM
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It will be brief. And it will be the last blast of alpha female power before they relent to concubine status.
/r/MGTOW08/01/18 01:12 AM
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Gender separation will be the very last blast.
/r/MGTOW07/01/18 06:53 PM
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That's totally what the problem with the movie was. They spent a lot of time showing us traditional hero roles failing. I've argued that this isn't bad in itself. But, look, they spent almost no time developing the female protagonist. I guess women heroes don't have to do any real work.
/r/MGTOW07/01/18 09:37 AM
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Don't let her back. However, if you want to show solidarity when she says "I regret our relationship ended." Reply with "#metoo" Anyway, don't let her back not ever. And don't ever give a girl commitment, not even for good sex. Just go find another girl.
/r/MGTOW07/01/18 09:36 AM
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It's stressful because the divorce rape is setting up a situation where a woman remains a burden on your life and resources, but completely removes herself from providing anything in return. Wives are stressful burdens from day 1, but they're supposed to make up for it by providing other things in return. Knowing you're losing love and whatever, but that all the horrible burdens - the one gift divorce could give - will remain. It's God awful. In part, I think, because this resource dependency re…
/r/MGTOW07/01/18 09:29 AM
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I just edited my OP. I do think marriage dodging has contributed to women growing desperate, but I think women too have contributed. Basically, women are beginning to act as if almost no man is worth their pussy. It's becoming almost impossible for average men to get any kind of sex from a woman without a huge pain in the ass involved, if at all. And then women go on having sex with Chad, proving them to be hypocrites about their desire for sex. This will not only end marriage, it will cause men…
/r/MGTOW07/01/18 09:25 AM
2

Rly u dont even lift bro wat?
/r/MGTOW07/01/18 09:00 AM
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I think, though, metoo is the just the very beginning of the end. It risks alienating all men, which women would traditionally not do. Traditionally women have directed their shaming of men into more narrow categories like nerds, creeps, PUAs. Now, they're shaming and risking alienating all men. It's because this is the start. This is mass awakening by females that the old reproductive game is failing. This is a move of early desperation. And, as men grow alienated in larger numbers, it will acc…
/r/MGTOW07/01/18 09:00 AM
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I think that with the right social conditions, sex work itself will function perfectly fine. Some whores look down on their johns, but most are pretty respectful. Women who've taken the leap know how nasty shame is, and reject it. So, they know why they're doing this: they like the money, and they don't mind the sex. Some prostitutes even adopt a professional attitude where - whether they enjoy the sex or not - they take pride and satisfaction in their own ability to provide the service that man…
/r/MGTOW07/01/18 08:17 AM
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I replied, I think. Anyway, I think gender segregation will be the literal endgame. It won't last long. It will be more of an abortive effort. It will come as female power strategies so comprehensively alienate men, that men bail out in large proportions (like, 70-90%). The immediate response will be infighting and eat-your-own. Women will segregate because it's going to be some women trying to create conditions of control over other women. So, you might see weird ass women only communes, or lik…
/r/MGTOW07/01/18 05:11 AM
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I mentioned this elsewhere. Heartbreak for women means the loss of their provider (emotional, resource, sex, otherwise). It's healed when a new or better provider jumps in. Male heartbreak correlates to invested time and resources. It's a loss on investment. It's why it hits men harder - they have to "rebuild capital stock". And men will still feel connection to women they broke up with long ago - there have been legit studies on this. Women completely move on when the time comes. The exception …
/r/MGTOW07/01/18 05:04 AM
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Number 4. That's what I left out. It's not just about getting providers. Women also want to guarantee access to sex with hot guys. It's a backup strategy. If women can't secure a resource provider, the last ditch is to get pregnant by good genes and hope you can survive alone - at least your progeny will benefit from your genetic status coup!
/r/MGTOW07/01/18 05:01 AM
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It's because - imagine there's a play, like a stage play, that all women are brainwashed to before birth. The play is: "men want your pussy, in exchange for pussy, men will give you things you want and need". Power in society, generally. The ability to control outcomes and say who gets what resources. It used to be so automatic. Men just married women? Why? Women - in traditional society - were net takers. Why would a man do that? Pussy! More or less, given the way marriage was set up. Now, it's…
/r/MGTOW07/01/18 04:56 AM
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I think the endgame is the utter death of dating. Basically, any sex can post-facto be turned into an accusation, so men will stop having sex, and stop having relationships. Dangerous, low class criminal types will still get all the world's pussy on Tinder, plus dangerous, type-A, fuck-the-world Wolf of Wall Street types will too. Basically anyone who does drugs harder than marijuana and hallucinogens - that's the social realm where sexual relationships will occur. Men will have to turn to prost…
/r/MGTOW07/01/18 04:42 AM
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They can't give up on the value of pussy as a means to power. So when men stop valuing it, they have to create phantom bogeymen rapists who want it, lurking behind every corner. See, men are not giving up that much for pussy, but men still want pussy. The demand is still there, it's where the supply and demand curves meet that's not working out. So women are trying to exploit the demand curve because they have pushed supply far beyond where they wanted to. Women are demanding resources simply be…
/r/MGTOW07/01/18 04:35 AM
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But this approach is much more adversarial and therefore resource intensive, and risky. I think it smacks of desperation. It's because the value of pussy is in decline. A beta woman would usually just turn around 23 and then end up with a male provider with whom she'd have to sleep maybe once every couple months. The marriage abstinence by men, I believe, is directly related to this hysteria.
/r/MGTOW07/01/18 04:30 AM
17

Wow, breakup for crossing the boundary into bullshit? You'd never sustain a relationship with a woman. That's how they test your limits. You're suppose to prove yourself by engaging in drama, bro. You're not supposed to leave the pussy behind.
/r/MGTOW07/01/18 04:26 AM
2

Gotcha, but man, don't ever do the "tho". She wouldn't for you.
/r/MGTOW07/01/18 03:18 AM
1

"You've apologized tho, so it's cool" "you usually are a one second responder" Um, dude...
/r/MGTOW07/01/18 03:13 AM
9

News flash: female behavior was bad even 200 years ago. Read any philosopher or playwright. Society can deal with female behavior differently, but the way they did 200 years ago was in the context of a society with rules that also severely limited male freedom. I'm happy for women to be allowed to chase their stupid cock carousel, if it frees me from the burden of having to be married to one.
/r/MGTOW06/01/18 07:09 PM
2

There's no changing female behavior. Like, this is how they are, man. That's the first thing to understand and accept. It hurts. As for men, yeah, we can change. But, not likely in great numbers. MGTOW seeks a victory of personal happiness in your own life. The best thing we can do is avoid the "beautiful ones" problem where men withdraw and society collapses is to be conscious of it. I for one hope we get to a point where rich guys with halfway good genes can have parenting arrangements with ma…
/r/MGTOW06/01/18 06:36 PM
3

Because they still perceive that they have time to get better dick, so fun for its own sake is less of a freaking imposition. Amazing, the hoops women jump through. We'd all be better off admitting that being female is like being born with a disability. We go out of our way for the handicapped, and we can give women a break too. But we also don't expect people in wheelchairs to be able to play for the NFL. We don't let vote for the schizophrenic to be in public office.
/r/MGTOW06/01/18 06:22 PM
2

At the bottom of the article it says: "Related: how depression meds affect your sex life." Ah, the life of a modern woman.
/r/MGTOW06/01/18 12:07 AM
8

He's just saying that she could make it your problem - spending all your money to fix - when she's just straight up lying and using you. Girls HATE when their phone dies.
/r/MGTOW05/01/18 11:57 PM
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And, I think in this case it's just part of fitting into a trend. There's an invisible of chorus of female peers in their imagination judging their words, and they have to prove that they believe the right things - which right now is how dangerous men are. But - haha - god forbid there's nothing dangerous about you. God forbid you're a harmless male. THAT'S the worst thing you could be.
/r/MGTOW05/01/18 11:49 PM
1

There are instinctual reasons why women are better at getting over guys, but this is the essential logic behind it. As soon as a suitable replacement provider (provider of good sex, emotional support, resources) is in her life, she'll forget she ever even cared about the guy. Men are forced to deal with enduring regret, after a breakup. And have an enduring connection to the woman in the sense that there might still be at least some return on investment someday. Men and women is a fucked up, one…
/r/MGTOW05/01/18 10:00 PM
2

"The Sharknado star" Oh god, I really do feel pity for her.
/r/MGTOW05/01/18 09:58 PM
1

It's about maxing out what you can get for nothing. Period.
/r/MGTOW05/01/18 09:55 PM
12

If a woman ever were to initiate a divorce, the only reason would have to be that it's his fault. If it wasn't his fault, why would she even want a divorce? This just proves that men are the worst, that so many women are forced into having to end their marriages.
/r/MGTOW05/01/18 09:51 PM
9

Not me. I just need time, and then something else in my life like a new hobby.
/r/MGTOW05/01/18 09:49 PM
3

Woman + "heartbroken" = panicked that there is no provider in her life. "I thought I had it made". Man + heartbroken = "I invested so much in this woman, so much emotion, time, missed opportunities to do something else, and now it has amounted to nothing".
/r/MGTOW05/01/18 09:48 PM
4

I think there's a legit sort of attention/adrenaline burst that comes from the fear of unwanted male attention. And women get off on that chemical hit, which is why feminism has so successfully manipulated women as a class, because there's a biological element here that makes women susceptible to be manipulated by "muh scary".
/r/MGTOW05/01/18 09:22 PM
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Yeah, that came up too. Like, a real reluctance to tell me what part of town she lived in. As if I would like come trawling the streets to find her. Even though we were going on dates because she theoretically liked me!
/r/MGTOW05/01/18 09:20 PM
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Yeah, caution is key. And people can be crazy. Women talk all the time about "reading social cues" and how that's why men shouldn't be able to make points about "no means no, and yes means yes" because "obviously social cues give away real intent." That's obviously a horrible argument, but I do think it is an honest argument for many of the women who make it. This is the main way that they intend to display their desire. I felt like this girl very clearly was enjoying her time with me, and also …
/r/MGTOW05/01/18 09:19 PM
1

The next day hangover wasn't worth it. I didn't have that much fun. The booze was probably a prerequisite to enjoy anytime with this girl at all. Despite being "cool and chill, and no sex", this girl still was counting on me to bring the energy and fun to the situation. If I would have just sat there calmly and quietly, she would have too. It was up to me to ask her questions about herself, and propose to get out and go places and have fun, and take to the dance floor first. Because I was drunk,…
/r/MGTOW05/01/18 08:32 PM
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I mean, I did have fun pounding a wine bottle (not a girl) messing with VR and joking around with her. And, I was pretty drunk by then, so my inner dignity about the situation was totally out the window. I don't regret it, and she GTFO the next morning so it wasn't setting up to be a knock-at-my-door harassment kind of risk. The only harm is a my now sober sense of pride. It didn't cost me anything to hang out with her. I would have (minus the spooning part) done the same sort of thing with a du…
/r/MGTOW05/01/18 08:29 PM
2

Well that's what I mean, I had seen this behavior in the other girl too. It clearly seemed to be her effort to be part of the fad. Other than the clarity she offered about not offering me anything sexual, she was very open and warm with me. It really felt like she was saying it because it was the kind of thing she felt she was supposed to say. As if a million women were in the room watching and judging her words invisibly.
/r/MGTOW05/01/18 08:24 PM
1

In the end, its the fact that male nature does indeed objectify women that will save us. Because it's easier to turn away from an object than a genuine relationship. Women know this, which is why they complain about being objectified. They objectify men, and love being objectified by the men they like. They're furious when men are smart enough to realize that many women - set up as mere objects of desire - are effectively disposable. That all a man has to do is jack off before a date, and he wil…
/r/MGTOW05/01/18 08:14 PM
2

That's the thing though. Some portion of them might enjoy victimhood, but I imagine that probably a majority of women don't necessary get off to being a victim. It's just that the glory of victimhood is so widely propounded nowadays that women are starting to feel like they have to have some kind of victimhood just to fit in. The idea is spreading that this is expected of them, and the hive mind is jumping obediently in line.
/r/MGTOW05/01/18 08:11 PM
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Yeah, "Okay, I have nowhere to stay, and can I come home with you. But, seriously, no sex. But, we can cuddle and stuff that's fine, but no sex." I was immediately like, GTFO. But part of me felt like I didn't want to sleep with her. She was one of those rare women who are amusing to talk to. Not to sound like a simp, but even though her face and body were somewhat cute, she had whack tattoos and seemed a bit off kilter. A blast to talk to while drinking, in the short run. So I was already sort …
/r/MGTOW05/01/18 08:07 PM
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Trump, in reality, is a big failure, an oaf, a loser, a hothead, and a disaster. It's great that Hillary lost, but Trump was never some kind of tough genius that would fix things. Not ever. And, I totally agree that this is an overreach. However, MJ is something people like because, guess what, it makes you feel happy. Guess what? Things that make you feel happy are things you get emotionally attached to. Losing weed is like losing a loved one. That's why I wouldn't ever smoke weed. It's not wor…
/r/MGTOW05/01/18 07:37 PM
2

The other night at my apartment I heard the neighbors in a fight. The girl was shouting and provoking a fight. She was threatening to leave (presumably then he said, "leave then"), and then started shouting provocative language. I couldn't hear him, but he probably said something like, "I will hit you bitch" - calling her bluff. She started yelling, over and over, "Kill me then, go ahead and kill me, just kill me, you can't do it, I'm waiting, kill me then, kill me, just kill me, I'm waiting, ju…
/r/MGTOW05/01/18 06:44 PM
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Tinder is causing this. Women are getting Chad sex more and more easily and they have stopped GAF.
/r/MGTOW05/01/18 04:57 AM
1

This only makes sense if women treat their children as property and essential tools to further their own interests. And, specifically, their sons or wives' husbands as means to ends. Well, they do, don't they. But still, their "creation" depends on males in their life to actually do things. A baby is worthless unless it grows up to build tables, engines, computers, or a house.
/r/MGTOW04/01/18 05:20 PM
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Would you send your infant son to go be raised by Afghani rapist warlords? So why force your son to grow up with some bitch's shitty genes. Grand, great-grand: think about it. I'm fine bailing the gene pool, its fucking disgusting.
/r/MGTOW04/01/18 05:57 AM
2

Wait, what? Growing tissue in you belly because you got dicked is being "creative"? Seems a stretch.
/r/MGTOW04/01/18 01:03 AM
2

And Rand was completely unable to demonstrate self-awareness of her own rationalization of her innate preferences as some how objective and pure.
/r/MGTOW04/01/18 01:02 AM
1

What's funny is traditional "Patriarchy" America was social engineering too. The "Mrs. Cleaver" was as much a lie as anything else.
/r/MGTOW04/01/18 12:51 AM
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Not really. You have to be able to commercialize something to offer it as a product that will shake the market. It has been legal to use cell phones for years, and legal to pay your buddy $5 for a ride. But Uber had to be created to make it a social force. Most European countries put severe restrictions on commercialized sex work.
/r/MGTOW04/01/18 12:50 AM
1

Well, Joe Rogan philosophy barely counts, but I will take your word for it.
/r/MGTOW04/01/18 12:48 AM
4

It's weird, huh? That women get away with just relating the dry factual details of what happened to them that day, and it counts as conversation? No one - man or woman - would ever let me get away with that even if I wanted to.
/r/MGTOW03/01/18 06:18 PM
1

But what do you mean by superiority? When a man goes to a bar and asks a woman to come home and sleep with him, and she says no, is it a matter of her thinking she's superior to him?
/r/MGTOW03/01/18 06:13 PM
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Perfect MGTOW answer brother. It doesn't matter at all what women are. Other than that they aren't good for us, in terms of relationships.
/r/MGTOW03/01/18 05:58 PM
1

There are like thousands and thousands of men, in every major urban area who: Love democracy, Hate Putin and Trump (or, like Trump but not Putin). Love Hillary Love socialism Think Islam is cool Are left-wing Chrsitian, or liberal jewish, Are self-proclaimed male feminist, Is against the military, Likes cats and not dogs. In fact, there are probably tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of men like that, if you're flexible on the atheism thing (since culturally leftism and atheism go to…
/r/MGTOW03/01/18 05:56 PM
2

I think you missed my later point, but it wasn't intended for you as the audience, since your original premise: believing AWALT = finding men to be superior, is flawed. No, AWALT does not say men are superior. That's silly. Why "women" and not "people"? Because MGTOW is relevant to heterosexual men, and is in the context of a natural male desire to have romantic relationships with WOMEN. Outside of that context, AWALT is not a thing. I mean, it might be, or it might not. That would depend on an …
/r/MGTOW03/01/18 05:47 PM
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Good point. Rand is an example of a thinking woman. Though, like you said, much of her philosophy and writing actually did come from the men around her (and she used Speed). Still, I'll give her credit for introspection and originality. Actually, I'm thinking of Isabel Patterson, and some other writers (there's a young lady of the antebellum South, can't recall her name, who wrote on political theory). And, there are women writers for shows and movies. So, you could be right. That the unicorn th…
/r/MGTOW03/01/18 05:39 PM
2

The Cave is a realm of shadows, where reality is only what appears on the wall of the cave. It's limited perception, and a reality based on limited perceptual evidence that is only a small piece of the broader world. Perhaps women live in a world of emotional sensory data, and have trouble perceiving even the larger world that most men take for granted.
/r/MGTOW03/01/18 05:32 PM
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Yeah, like I can sense that the topics of the question relate to male stereotypes, but the answers to the way each is worded are totally inconsistent.
/r/MGTOW03/01/18 05:20 PM
3

Do women live in Plato's cave? Makes sense.
/r/MGTOW03/01/18 05:17 PM
12

So, just leave. Why announce it?
/r/MGTOW03/01/18 05:14 PM
2

But, how does your list define a NAMALT? Like, is there anyone who likes Putin, but not Trump? Does liking dogs make someone a NAMALT? Or is a NAMALT a man who doesn't like dogs? And, you're obvious a woman because AWALT has nothing to do with superiority. That's hilarious that you think that, because it shows that you're not thinking logically, but relationally. AWALT means that women are not reliable relationship partners, so MGTOWS therefore choose a lifestyle that doesn't involve committed r…
/r/MGTOW03/01/18 05:10 PM
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But what's their point? That men like dogs too much? Or that MGTOWs don't like dogs? That Putin is good, and Trump is bad. Or is it a ding against Trump supporters for "secretly liking Putin". What is their point? I bet "she" was going for something with this list and literally screwed it up completely.
/r/MGTOW03/01/18 05:04 PM
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Not to belittle what you're trying to do, but look: when a woman opens her mouth, it's a manipulation tactic. I've noticed that when women talk, it's usually with a social purpose. For example, as a man I sometimes make conversation just to share the joy of an idea, or to learn an idea. To celebrate a hobby or interest. Women seem more interested in talking to build and maintain their relationships, irrespective of the content of the conversation. The only time I see women seriously talk about a…
/r/MGTOW03/01/18 04:54 PM
2

Feminism is just the political expression of female imperative. MGTOW specifically wants to be left alone, so if women go on by themselves being women, MGTOW can live in peace - albeit without women in their lives. But feminism makes it hard for men to compete in school through artificial quotas, it makes the workplace environment dangerous and toxic - specifically making the simple idea of just doing your job quietly not good enough - and it also forces men to pay taxes for women to make mistak…
/r/MGTOW03/01/18 04:46 PM
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What's your point? Your criteria are weird. Still, a NAMALT would probably be a man who get joy simply from providing for a woman, but is also hot, but also never ever needs sex, but is also able to give hours of tantric sex on demand. And can read minds. So, yeah, AMALT. See, both men and women have unrealistic expectations of what the other sex should be. The only nuance is that what is called "romance" or "puppy love" or "true love" or "affectionate companionship" is a total lie - one that me…
/r/MGTOW03/01/18 04:37 PM
1

Oh I didn't watch, i thought he grabbed her boob
/r/MGTOW03/01/18 07:52 AM
1

Once there are fewer and fewer marriages and male-female relationships (men getting female attention through monetary exchange), then men will more and more vote as a bloc against taxes (taking away their sex money) that go to welfare. You'd likely get compromises that make welfare more reasonable.
/r/MGTOW03/01/18 05:33 AM
1

So, basically, commercialized sex work is legal in Germany and the Netherlands. So "prostitution is completely legal in Europe" is not completely accurate.
/r/MGTOW03/01/18 05:09 AM
1

Golden white pussy I guess. Self enforced by Aussie white women. In-group solidarity.
/r/MGTOW03/01/18 04:42 AM
1

Scandinavia? And what about marriage law, and welfare?
/r/MGTOW03/01/18 04:12 AM
1

I'm thinking Australia has a lot of Chad genes. Tall guys with big dicks, and bad attitudes. That would take a lot of women out of the market and into marriages with bluepilled Chads.
/r/MGTOW03/01/18 04:12 AM
1

Yeah, that's a more average price. Even in places where it's illegal you can get 200-300.
/r/MGTOW03/01/18 04:11 AM
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Robots will lower price of real. Real might not be quality of fake, but would satisfy desire for "real" (pheremones, bone structure, skin, warmth). As for implementing, it's just a matter of time. Birth control guaranteed it, and now that sexual liberation has nearly obliterated marriage as an average-person institution, and also obliterated access to sex for a huge percentage of men, it's only a matter of time.
/r/MGTOW03/01/18 03:08 AM
1

Legal, or "legal"? If it was completely legal, in today's economy, I swear it would skyrocket (college neighborhoods, for example). Prices would drop big time. Plus, sex robots would also lower general costs across the market.
/r/MGTOW03/01/18 03:06 AM
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Sorry, but I think people shouldn't have their shit touched regardless. Dude who did this to her should get a light citation, for a light crime. However, I would argue to any woman that dressing sleezy late at night is a risk and no matter how criminal and wrong rape is, women too have a responsibility to take reasonable precautions for their own safety.
/r/MGTOW03/01/18 01:46 AM
5

Nice troll. GTFO.
/r/MGTOW02/01/18 07:26 PM
1

A tradcon analysis, and as a MGTOW I say: "I don't care". But, I did find it funny that the problem here - which is obviously a reflection of the flaws of intrinsic female nature - is caused by men not facilitating female preferences enough. Plus the "my voice needs to be heard". That is, voting as a means to access resources other people have obtained, voting as a means to benefit from the privileges of a civilization someone else has built. And not: voting as a means of exercising responsibili…
/r/MGTOW02/01/18 07:23 PM
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I hate to sound "incel" given recent events, but this is a good point. Bluepill people complain that men place objectifying demands on women. So, some men say: "Okay, no demands, you can be boring, poor, a little chubby, but could we have a relationship of mutual support and trust, including bonding through sexual intimacy" Response: "Ew, no, creep, lol, 'nice guy' over here, yuck."
/r/MGTOW02/01/18 07:13 PM
1

Empire's endgame. Defeat, overwhelmed by sensation, inability to direct outcomes - this is what people mean by degeneracy. It's not a matter of making Mrs. Cleaver blush.
/r/MGTOW02/01/18 05:32 PM
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Some women seem to acknowledge redpill, but still seem unable to fully grasp it. Like, as a man I know my inherent oneitis is a fucking curse and reptile brain bullshit. Women can't self-reflect like that. They'd give their lives to have Chad.
/r/MGTOW02/01/18 05:29 PM
1

Ok, good luck with being a stay at home mom.
/r/MGTOW02/01/18 02:29 AM
9

This is why I hate gender fluidity as a concept. First, it assumes that gender is a discrete thing, then it says: "fuck gender". But, if "fuck gender" then how was it a thing in the first place. Like, wearing make up can just be wearing make up. Dudes wear make up sometimes, in fashion, and in history. It's not considered a gender issue. But here, it's treated as a gender issue. He wears make-up, not because he just wants to wear it, but because he wants to mix and match elements from two discre…
/r/MGTOW01/01/18 10:16 PM
1

Haha, yeah, and then there's always the cosmic heartbreak when Mr. "This week's bitch" leaves them.
/r/MGTOW01/01/18 09:36 PM
1

It's also super easy to fuck women in their 40s. Their standards fall off a cliff, and they get more thirsty than they've ever been. Being a 40s, 50s guy, where you're not degrading yourself to fuck a woman that age (age appropriate), is one of the paradise years of being a man. So easy to bed a girl - plus they're way past trying to preserve their Sexual value and won't play games if they already know they want sex. But, true words and thanks brother.
/r/MGTOW01/01/18 09:35 PM
1

Dawg, I would never touch that cum-ridden, A-cup roastie. She's slobbering over Mr. Six-Pack's cock, and wants to share it with other girls. Good lords, what an AWALT. But, her graciousness in talking about it is a breath of fresh air. It's clinical for me. I'm curious about the degree to which a woman with above average logical ability, and also self-awareness, can grasp redpill. It's mere curiosity. I'm not a woman hater anyway. I'm a woman-realist. I want to reciprocate her graciousness, thou…
/r/MGTOW01/01/18 09:31 PM
1

So, here's my final advice on this. Break up with the guy. Just. Do. It. His relationships goals 100% don't match yours. It's not about ticking clocks. It's about your female brain - it will never let you recover from this - you won't be able to find a satisfying relationship until past the time when you're too old to attract the sort of man who would satisfy you. No part of breaking up with him will make any sense to your feelings or your brain (because your brain and feelings are your worst en…
/r/MGTOW01/01/18 09:19 PM
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See though, this is where you're obviously falling into a trap. I know if I explain it to you you'll get it logically - you seem smart. However, I'm telling you, part of your brain will hold you back from fully "getting" what I'm saying here. Your female mind is so happy to have this guy's sexual attention, it's forcing you to ignore everything else about your situation. I believe this guy is probably sincere in his affection for you, but understand this truth: you're not hot enough, or the righ…
/r/MGTOW01/01/18 09:08 PM
1

Basically, the MGTOW attitude would say that you're wrong to "work on it". Your flaws are your nature, and it's foolish to think you'll overthrow them. Maybe, at best you'll hide their reality from your awareness - which would be horrible. Instead, work with them. That song you mention, it's not brainwashing. It's naturally appealing which is why it exists. Consider it a matter of pre-programming. My point would be that if you want to stay at home, then you had better realize what at uphill batt…
/r/MGTOW01/01/18 09:04 PM
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It happened to me when I got fat once, then lost weight again. Hot girl really like chatting with me but it went nowhere. Met up a few months later when I lost weight and it showed in my face. She literally was saying stuff like how she never realized how good looking I was and wondered how she missed it before. I am very good looking though, but only average height, and couldn't give a fuck about women or social popularity.
/r/MGTOW01/01/18 09:08 AM
2

Yeah, weird and political.
/r/MGTOW01/01/18 08:42 AM
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Yes, I think when you look at the hottest girls they climb the ladder straight up into the billionaire territory. Average "really hot girls" fuck at least a couple celebrities in their life. But, the average woman - I believe - has a sexual desire on/off switch for what you're calling looks. It's not just looks, it's more like "genetics". Includes things like deep voice, broad shoulders, height, pretty face. It's a combination, but power and dominance are the most important. And, actually, like …
/r/MGTOW01/01/18 08:39 AM
1

I think many many women are in this position. However, I try to think of what is essential to female nature, and what isn't. I think any given female will, by nature, want a pair-bonded relationships with a top-status provider and gene-donor. She may also want to cuckold, at some point. But in the old generation there were old grandmas who became dependent on grandpa. The problem is that women are just not attracted to most men, since high status is what's attractive to them. So this sort of pai…
/r/MGTOW01/01/18 08:15 AM
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I don't agree. I think women feel an intense, hormonal attraction and "oneitis" for a top chad. They get tingles and wet from his attention, and fucking him is like a nirvana that never ends. She doesn't need to get anything. However, it last only until something better comes along. Also, there is an r-selection k-selection thing, I believe. There's status, and also "dangerous hotness". I think the two cross at the top, but there's a spread as you go down.
/r/MGTOW01/01/18 08:09 AM
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Drop the celebrity thing. If a celebrity (or really hot guy) dropped into your life one night, sex with him might be great, but then it would take away from the enjoyability of sex with other guys going forward. It's like, yeah heroine makes you feel amazing, but it's a deadly slope once you take the first hit. Also, you see your dilemma. There's nothing like being with a hot guy, as compared to a not as hot guy. You have experience with that. So, what you really need is to find a like 33 year o…
/r/MGTOW01/01/18 08:00 AM
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That's a fine sentiment. I understand that. Frankly, 22 is much too young for any man (or woman, frankly) to enter into their last ever relationship. You seem to know this, so it seems like you're trying to figure out how to hang on to him despite it all. That's literally what redpillers say is the natural inclination of a woman to do. Like, your "feelings/desire engine" is working great, as a woman. Keep in mind this truth: you are almost certainly not going to keep him around for more than a c…
/r/MGTOW01/01/18 07:54 AM
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To be fair, she's not saying she's a NAWALT. She's saying she's redpilled. And, to be fair, her (seeming) honesty reveals her as a total AWALT. Obviously, she's not completely redpilled (I think the hamster prevents women from going all the way), but at least she can see and admit it. A credit to her as a person. She can keep her pussy to herself and Mr. Six pack.
/r/MGTOW01/01/18 07:49 AM
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FYI - I love talking about MGTOW with women. It's like, that thing of the futile, noble endeavor (curing cancer, for example). I don't blame women as individuals for redpill reality: it's nature's fault. I wish nature could be transcended. Women are naturally inclined to not "get" redpill, for a lot of complicated reasons. And, women have natural inclinations to subtly manipulate men without realizing it even. And, men have natural inclinations to go out of their way to treat women nicely and do…
/r/MGTOW01/01/18 07:47 AM
1

I think anyone who wants to discuss MGTOW graciously is welcome. Downvote if you disagree. But bans? As long as it's a discussion of the issue of men going their own way, and why, and what it means, sure, a curious, gracious woman is welcome. Why? Because this is not the "man's club - no women allowed". I'm an individual, not a joiner. I'm going my own way, not the "man's club" way. I don't come here to be part of the man's club, I come here to discuss ME going MY own way. A woman could theoreti…
/r/MGTOW01/01/18 07:38 AM
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Let me share some redpill theory, maybe clarify it for you. Women only want to fuck one guy at a time, ever: the top man currently available. Of course you only want to have sex with just him, because right now he's the best thing available in your life (and lucky you he's yours now). But, you admit about "celebrities" and "life experience". Let me explain something, putting "sex" and "life experience" together conceptually is something women do a lot. Did you pick that up from other women? Beca…
/r/MGTOW01/01/18 07:34 AM
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But almost all women who snag a 9 1/2 - 10 man would tolerate him cheating openly against her wishes, at least for a while, so long as they thought they could keep him in their life. So, you're not actually special. Please realize that. I'm honoring your graciousness with some "MGTOW" advice for a woman: don't waste your time on this guy. You'll be hitting the wall soon, and this man will not marry you, have your kids, and remain in your life until you're old and wrinkly. So any years you spend …
/r/MGTOW01/01/18 07:23 AM
10

One big red pill premise is that women are attracted only to top status men. Your guy is fit, and tall presumably? So basically you're so happy to have one the battle you're willing to "share" him with other women. All women feel that way. The problem is that most men (80%), don't attract female affection as much. So maybe you thought you're doing "us" (men) a solid by saying you'll share your boyfriend? No, we already know that "hot" guys have as much sex as they want. News flash: if you told h…
/r/MGTOW01/01/18 07:12 AM
0

Wait, why do we care? Scammers? Maybe you don't like their stuff, but scammers? What is this controlling the social space and gossiping? It's a very female thing to do. Let these guys do their thing, and let other people judge if they like what they're doing or not. You don't have to try and set up who should be approved or not.
/r/MGTOW01/01/18 06:47 AM
3

I denied sex halfway through sexy times once. It was after the end of a relationship, I was genuinely tired, her breath was ass, and I was like, "nah, I just can't do this." She fucking lost it. Desperate begging for sex. Holy shit.
/r/MGTOW01/01/18 04:40 AM
7

And what branch did you serve in and what was your MOS, or what country did you serve in?
/r/MGTOW01/01/18 02:25 AM
5

There are different kinds of cheating. Women will not actually cheat, but manipulate a man, sabotage the relationship while he's struggling to hold it together. Her ability to go without sex will outpace his, so she'll just wait it out and while he's trying to keep the relationship together, she'll sabotage it. Eventually, she'll be free to jump back on the cock carousel.
/r/MGTOW31/12/17 12:50 AM
3

When your "reality" happens, it's not enduring, and hedged, and mostly a reality in your head that you choose to interpret that way, which is backed up by reptile brain endorphins and hormones to sweeten a situation that's not a great as you'd think.
/r/MGTOW20/12/17 09:36 PM
13

My dreams of this sort involve a very basic QT who's neither hot nor not. All she is is a girl who deeply appreciates and wants to be with me, that's all. That's all my sexual nature wants, in the end. But, apparently it's too much to ask. Relationships with women don't work that way, nature just fools our mind into feeling that they do so we're easy to manipulate, so they can procure the necessary resources to facilitate their reproductive prerogatives.
/r/MGTOW20/12/17 09:29 PM
2

Natural beauty sure is more stoic.
/r/MGTOW19/12/17 06:36 PM
15

No, women have a pathological need for male emotional support. It's fucked because that's what we want and will never get. But they need it. I know family and friends - more than a few single women in their 40s and 50s and 60s. Constantly I hear: "I just wish I had somebody to help make decisions". It's a real lament. Insecurity. They're smart enough (sometimes) to make the right decisions and judgments, they just have a need for a person to back them up and feel desolate without that. It's sad …
/r/MGTOW19/12/17 08:26 AM
2

Politics is fake. What "you believe" doesn't even fucking matter at all. Just interface with societal institutions as best you can. Carve out your own space.
/r/MGTOW19/12/17 08:21 AM
2

The best thing you can do with women is only let them into your life 100% on your terms. Workplace relationships is already a no, man. It could mess up your job, and with #metoo, no man, don't. Otherwise, any woman jumping on your D - just make it your terms. Don't spend more money than you want, don't let her set boundaries that annoy you, don't let it be something you don't want it to be. If she's not cool with that, forget about it. I could never recommend a guy against sex, if it's available…
/r/MGTOW19/12/17 08:19 AM
1

I know people capable of 4-5 hours a night, only. They're dumbasses. If you use your mind, you need sleep.
/r/MGTOW19/12/17 08:16 AM
3

I sympathize with feminists who lament how stifling the life of the traditional housewife would have been. No control over your own travel, or money. No real enduring independent career prospects. Having to put up with the same man forever, even when he's boring, or frustrating. Opening your legs to a man even when you feel sexual reluctance, and disgust, because you value the person and believe your act is helping him feel validated and happy. And he makes you feel validated and happy in other …
/r/MGTOW19/12/17 08:14 AM
5

I had to stay standing by the door of my car once, when i said goodbye to a girl, just to send the message. She texted me a couple times about her crazy az drama, then stopped texting me. Bullet dodged.
/r/MGTOW19/12/17 08:08 AM
2

Classic female. Her emotional prerogatives are reality itself. That's why she cheats in the first place. She's not trying to be a bad person, but you see she just has needs. Why can't you understand what she's going through emotionally. In her mind, she calculated she'd get away with it. Therefore, not getting away with it is a problem. Whose problem? Has to be someone's. Not hers, her needs are valid. Therefore, the problem has to be your problem. You ruined her plan. She tried to make sure you…
/r/MGTOW19/12/17 07:51 AM
7

Communists are sore losers. Rather than question their own crap theories, they focus on what "got in the way" last time. Ethnic solidarity, families. It turns out, ways for people to organize into groups without state oversight. So these dweebish academic crypto-communists come out and try to screw up the family and make everyone race mix (not a bad thing, necessarily, they just believe that identifying as an ethnicity is why some people were unwilling to go communist in the past, so they believ…
/r/MGTOW19/12/17 07:43 AM
2

Yeah, it was a shitty argument.
/r/MGTOW19/12/17 02:54 AM
1

Yeah and a sunset and a mountain range and a forest is just sticks and dirt and shit. If you're a man, women will appear beautiful to you. So, appreciate the beauty itself - realize it has nothing to do with the woman.
/r/MGTOW19/12/17 02:54 AM
3

Shite, the wall cometh.
/r/MGTOW18/12/17 06:10 PM
5

Save yourself. If you ever are going to have a woman in your life she has to be a virgin. If you're a virgin, it's better. And like you said, you'll only get more thirsty. There's not really a moment of "ah that's what it's like". It's a wet fish hole inbetween her legs that she pees out of.
/r/MGTOW18/12/17 06:09 PM
2

Being able to pee standing up whenever I need to.
/r/MGTOW18/12/17 10:27 AM
1

Also, husband may be hot Chad who virgin married her. As close to NAWALT as possible, but not perfect.
/r/MGTOW18/12/17 10:23 AM
9

Hey, imagine this a Southern PD and DA sticking their necks out for black guys. I wonder how many lynchings were bitches desperate for attention alone.
/r/MGTOW18/12/17 10:06 AM
3

Women, for the most part, absolutely can. But it has to be socially prescribed. They will suppress personal feelings to conform to social expectations. That's how traditional culture dealt with the issue.
/r/MGTOW16/12/17 08:42 PM
11

It may be true that women are less naturally inclined to logically subvert their own emotions, and that men are better able to contain their own sexual desires. Women tend to emphasize emotions, and so it might be difficult for many of them to reject deep feelings they have, even when those feelings are logically going to lead to bad outcomes. But, I wouldn't say all women are feminists.
/r/MGTOW16/12/17 09:13 AM
39

Women haven't been ruined by anything. What feminism has done is ruined civilization. Out of wedlock childbirths, fatherless homes, poverty, welfare dependency, crime, lack of education, skyrocketing debt, cultural degeneracy. That's what feminism will accomplish. Women, like men, are just what they are. People with instincts. If some men followed their instincts to the T, then they'd go around raping women a lot, and that would be horrible. Society has to build walls that contain and constrain …
/r/MGTOW16/12/17 09:10 AM
1

There are other subreddits for hobbies. This is a redpill center - like a plug so we don't go spend all day somewhere pathetic like r/gonewild.
/r/MGTOW16/12/17 08:27 AM
1

My sister did this growing up. She's create fake accounts and have 5-way conversations with people where she was 2 or 3 of the people in the chat room. Weird AF.
/r/MGTOW15/12/17 11:07 PM
3

I guess I differentiate between what someone finds to be inherently attractive, and then behavior. Maybe women can't control their behavior, but then that would mean that they don't deserve to be treated equally. However, merely being attracted or not to a thing is not a moral issue.
/r/MGTOW14/12/17 08:58 PM
3

So what, who cares if they're that way? Can they go their own way? If not, fine, complain. Otherwise, what's the problem? If you're going your own way, so what if there's dudes out there who are weak? Only bitches hyperconcern themselves with other peoples' strength or weakness.
/r/MGTOW14/12/17 08:27 PM
4

No one is forced to go MGTOW. That's important to understand.
/r/MGTOW14/12/17 08:25 PM
1

But I think you'd find that once more and more of us do this, the world will actually be a more pleasant place.
/r/MGTOW14/12/17 06:35 PM
1

My experiences with male relationships is that dominance played a larger role in social groups of men that were more oriented towards interacting with women. Otherwise, my friends would often enjoy "winning" games, or "beating" people. But, after a game was won, it was like "let's play again". Or, even if a game was lost, "let's play again" - especially if a game was lost. Permanent, hierarchical domination seemed to always go hand in hand with the presence of females.
/r/MGTOW14/12/17 06:34 PM
2

It's okay to be Chad. It's okay to be a woman. MGTOW
/r/MGTOW14/12/17 06:31 PM
1

Male shaming. GTFO
/r/MGTOW14/12/17 06:30 PM
2

Cruel and unusual punishment.
/r/MGTOW14/12/17 02:01 AM
1

The Juice...
/r/MGTOW14/12/17 02:01 AM
3

Yeah, I suspect this is what changed. I remember college, freshmen year, when all of about 35% of the girls were virgins who felt that sex and booze might be shameful (because of parents and mentors back home). The other girls bullied, nurtured, carrot and stick manipulated the hell out of them to get them to try stuff. Fucking sick. Obviously, the point of getting innocent girls into the hyper-hypergamy game is so the alpha females have more control over the playing field. Pretty basic. They're…
/r/MGTOW14/12/17 12:35 AM
1

Yes, a different way of putting it. Heartiste is redpill, and fucks girls. So he's aiming for the 5 minutes part. MGTOW are some Chads, and obviously by statistics a bunch of not Chads. So a lot of MGTOW will be the 5 years guys. The takeaway is: she. will. wait. for. Chad. dick. Her sex drive will freeze like Antarctica, and her tits will sag to her feet, before she gives it up to you, just because her genes' survival depends on waiting for Chad's semen. And, Alpha/Beta I don't like. I do think…
/r/MGTOW14/12/17 12:31 AM
1

Just for context for younger guys - high T means sex or fighting is like scratching an itch. It's not fulfilling, not whore - never. Your dumbass male hormones will want you to want to connect with this woman who just wants your cash. So don't do it unless the itch is too distracting.
/r/MGTOW14/12/17 12:26 AM
3

It's a spiritual lesson. There's something about being a man and having your identity tied to conquest and accomplishment, and yet face the reality of something unwinnable. It's very zen, and perhaps something only men - who both live for accomplishment, but also live by logic - can appreciate.
/r/MGTOW14/12/17 12:25 AM
1

Thanks, I was tired of the hypergamy videos that saw women "marry up" and "date up". That's not the point. Also, red pill sees hypergamy as a thing to hack. No, that's not the point either. Hypergamy is an unwinnable game for 80% of men, that's what it is.
/r/MGTOW14/12/17 12:23 AM
1

Women will give sex in return for loyalty, and keep giving it, if they keep requiring that loyalty. Western women have options, and so their willingness to offer sex is severely limited. Women will fuck bottom 80% guys willingly, but they won't enjoy the sex. They'll enjoy "the emotional connection" - i.e.: the relief that comes from keeping a provider around. Pure dopamine, desire fulfillment reward for sex can only be continually maintain through doing Chad.
/r/MGTOW14/12/17 12:21 AM
1

Maybe you were projecting status you didn't realize. Age is a big status inflation thing, as is money. But, even so, girls will fuck you to "win" you, but not really want to do it again afterwards that much, and might eventually resent you. If you are top 20%, she'll maintain sexual interest for a long time.
/r/MGTOW14/12/17 12:19 AM
3

What, no. Sexual reluctance means you get filled with inexplicable repulsion to sex with a woman which comes from your subconscious and makes the thought of sex with them seem like rape. Wanting sex, but choosing to forgo it is not the same thing.
/r/MGTOW13/12/17 06:49 AM
2

make or break seems more like an artifact of modern dating culture. With no BC you'd have to knocked her up by then. I think sex oxytocin exists to serve getting the kid out of infancy. This is why I hate the validation women get for "being emotional beings". Emotions are fucked. They are servants of reptile fucking instinct. Women treat them like intrinsic truth. I suppose they might be as "true" as consciousness itself. But then, most spiritual traditions seek transcendence from consciousness …
/r/MGTOW13/12/17 05:43 AM
11

Yeah man, high-T go to hookers. I'm a huge proponent and think it needs to be totally legalized. There's no other answer, now that marriage is destroyed.
/r/MGTOW13/12/17 05:39 AM
4

Yeah, it's there, there's a big article by a purple pilled psychologist out there from the 90s or something. It's about 4 years. Correlates to time needed to get pregnant, be pregnant, breastfeed, and then the kid can walk on its own. Legs are open in the meantime so the man sticks around, but at the end the legs snap shut.
/r/MGTOW13/12/17 05:39 AM
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