TheRedArchive

~ archived since 2018 ~

mitreddit Archive

View 17 posts and 613 comments by mitreddit on TheRedPill subreddit and various other subreddits related to The Red Pill community.
Search in:
In subreddits:
More
Filter by year/month:
Upvotes Title Category Author Subreddit Date (UTC)
8

mitreddit/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/14 06:16 PM
7

mitreddit/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/14 12:48 PM
6

mitreddit/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/14 04:57 PM
6

mitreddit/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/14 04:44 PM
4

mitreddit/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/14 02:09 PM
3

Discussionmitreddit/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/14 10:06 PM
3

mitreddit/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 02:30 PM
2

mitreddit/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/13 12:57 AM
2

Discussionmitreddit/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/14 06:27 PM
2

mitreddit/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/13 04:33 PM
2

mitreddit/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/14 03:30 PM
2

mitreddit/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/14 05:53 PM
2

mitreddit/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/14 02:57 PM
1

mitreddit/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/14 06:42 PM
1

mitreddit/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/14 10:17 PM
1

mitreddit/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 01:19 PM
0

mitreddit/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/14 02:14 PM
Upvotes Comment on Subreddit Date (UTC)
1

Not seeing anything i asked for, ie jesus teachings that imply, defend your personal political preferences which i don't think align with and/or are based on christian tenets / jesus's teachings
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/18 10:07 PM
2

point me to where jesus says you should give to the poor but the government shouldn't? and if you can't, own up to your convenient rationalization to justify your personal / political beliefs. here's a starting point - https://www.openbible.info/topics/welfare
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/18 07:39 PM
30

for the same reason american christians do not care about immigrants or social welfare (despite it being a core christian tenet), practical self and local interest trumps more abstract values / more distant interests.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/18 05:19 PM
0

placebo effect is real
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/18 09:36 PM
5

Isn't bipolar different than BPD? it is, op is misinformed.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/18 04:58 AM
1

considered by who?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/18 04:42 AM
9

they are not diagnostically similar. however, there is about a 1 in 6 chance if you have one, you have the other... which means 80-90 percent of the time you have one, you DON'T have the other. source - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3811087/
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/18 12:52 AM
3

really, not finding any. feel free to post one. found one that discussed your study and said they didn't look at male partner count. i'd be most interested in cheating and partner count relationship (for men and women), more so than divorce.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/18 05:33 PM
3

What are the equivalent male stats in that study? Ie what stats make males more of a divorce risk?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/18 04:27 PM
0

Are there other "rewarding" aspects of LTRs that you're referring to? shared history, understanding (not having to reexplain who one is to someone new). and consequently more valuable feedback/interaction. it's similar to the advantage one can have in an interest/hobby one has spent many years developing versus shallow interests that come and go, the difference between a transient shallow existence and a more developed existence.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/15 04:34 AM
0

I've found connection with women previously (marriage once, multiple LTRs) but they require more upkeep than they are worth to me. so you've never found a rewarding relationship. do you think that's normal (i.e. most people never find a rewarding relationship) or that you are different? do you think you lack the capacity to enjoy a relationship or that you have less or no potential rewarding matches (whereas most people do)?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/15 03:09 AM
3

None of those results are guaranteed though, which is why those behaviors are not transactional. In fact that's why red pillers hate marriage because it offers no guarantee.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/14 08:47 PM
2

generousity, charity, philanthropy, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/14 05:10 PM
1

Furthermore, on page 10 (if you print it out) it literally states the Univserity banned the singing of the song, which further refutes the existence of a rape culture. they banned it in 2010, so was their rape culture before 2010 when that song was openly sung at games? These people are going to frat parties. The entire point of a frat party is hedeonism, and thus, presenting yourself as a sex object. what if you are an underage person who likes free beer? that's less of explanation for why some…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/14 05:44 PM
1

homework on a subjective term for many people is impossible. i think he was just dodging the fact that his views/understanding are not very clear to him and thus he had to resort to evasion.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/14 05:26 PM
1

that's one way to deal with cognitive dissonance.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/14 05:21 PM
1

so if you were overpowered and raped by someone you know, you would go directly to the police? would it be hard for you to be known as a rape victim and for everyone to know who raped you? since you have strong opinions on this, is this something you've ever spent time thinking about? how you would go about things if you were overpowered and raped? seems pretty foolish to have never considered the perspective of someone in a situation that you have such outspoken views on. if you haven't done th…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/14 05:19 PM
1

That has something to do with it but those aren't counseling departments they have set up, they serve as a way to keep rape reports on campus, away from the police.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/14 02:36 PM
1

my issue is with schools trying to keep rapes hushed up to protect their reputation. they should be reporting all rape accusations to the police.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/14 01:26 PM
-3

My post history is pretty alright in my opinion. did you delete posts in this thread. why?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/14 12:34 PM
2

you keep talking about whether the song glorifies rape, i just said it was an offensive song. so where in my posts or the article does it explicitly say the song glorifies rape? because you seem to have arrived at that conclusion yourself. i can't disagree, but it's interesting you are the one that came up with the words 'glorifies rapes', while arguing ironically you don't believe it does. kind of sounds like, on some unconscious or maybe even conscious level, you think the song glorifies rape …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/14 12:19 PM
1

The dumb bitches go to the campus administration and don't go to where they should, the police. are you a dumb asshole? the campus administration set up a system to encourage that, to avoid sexual abuse reporting to the police (to protect their reputation). is your mom a dumb bitch? i.e. are you the son of a dumb bitch?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/14 12:07 PM
5

no one thinks they should now that this is coming to public attention. this was about colleges dodging bad press, bad reputations. the better question is how they got away with it for so long (if we live in this pro woman, anti man world that red pill believes).
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/14 01:36 AM
0

as if that term, like feminist (which actually is used frequently), has one exact meaning. what's the point of a debate forum if instead of debating, sharing, defending our views on things, we expect others to look up our views in google surrogate form.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/14 01:33 AM
1

if it's only the exclusive dating outside ones culture that's the problem, ok.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 10:41 PM
1

so doing drugs makes you an addict? do you drink alcohol? have you ever? have you ever dated anyone that was not your race?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 10:09 PM
1

if someone raped you do you think it would be easy for you to tell others about it publically? do you find women who have been raped more or less attractive as mates? if you had a daughter or loved one that was raped, how would that make you feel about them? do you have any loved ones that have been raped?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 09:59 PM
1

I'm referring to this attitude, which obviously does exist-- especially when specific cases like the Cosby one come up-- in a far more general sense. I see no reason to treat allegations of any crime, let alone serious ones, as true by default unless there's something in the way of substantial evidence that the crime in question did occur. again, who is doing this? seems like he's been able to weather allegations for many years until there were just too many for anyone to want anything to do wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 09:48 PM
2

Still nothing about praising rape. who said anything about praising rape? and if no one did why are you manufacturing that argument? joking about rape is fine so long as you don't praise it? and why are you focusing on drunk sex vs say the forced gang rape that was the central topic of the story?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 09:40 PM
1

get the matches ready then.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 07:02 PM
0

i was just answering tempest's specific question not yours
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 06:34 PM
-1

my bad for asking someone who apparently has an empty head a question.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 06:32 PM
1

no one has to do anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 06:13 PM
-1

because a hotter woman won't marry them or someone 'attractive enough' for them was smarter, cooler than a more attractive, hotter option.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 06:10 PM
1

harm to oneself does not equal, or have to equal, death though.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 06:07 PM
1

And in this case your inflexible standard would lead to your death, so i guess your standards are more important than your life.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 05:55 PM
1

ok, so that's worth losing your life for? you must not value your life or life much if you are willing to throw it away at the cost of one hand.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 05:45 PM
1

I saw few interesting things a couple weeks ago during the whole Asian/Indian female dating white guys and settling for Asian/Indian guys for marriage kerfuffle. There were quite a few BPers I see in these neck of the woods that were willing to admit that it is a real phenomenon, although of course they downplayed it. I only bring this up because I think it presents clear black and white (or brown and white) proof of AF/BB. What do you think of people who try drugs in their adolescence, young ad…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 05:44 PM
0

I don't believe anything I said is inaccurate. so you are saying it might be? i'm just curious as to how open minded and/or stubborn you are. would you find it odd if i wouldn't describe red pill or some aspect of it (i do think red pill and many aspects of it are a joke)?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 05:37 PM
-3

well done
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 05:29 PM
1

you seem to very resistant to even discuss what anything means that you have an issue with, very odd. there are plenty of things i don't like and i can define them. do you consider yourself red pill? do you consider that a term that's not a joke?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 05:27 PM
-1

besides skimming articles and then making strong statements, do you ever say things that are not accurate?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 05:24 PM
1

if it did exist, what is it? i don't get why you can't describe what it is. do you not know what it is or do you think beetlejuice will appear if you describe what it is?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 05:13 PM
0

did you read the article?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 05:11 PM
0

calling people out for being selfish apaths is not the same thing as locking them up. you should read up on the personality traits of prison inmates (google scholar it) and maybe behave differently (from inmate personality profiles) if you are so obsessed with not being in prison.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 05:09 PM
1

did you read all the lyrics in the article?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 05:07 PM
1

and if you have no chance of escape and your choice leads to certain death, are you still on for that?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 05:06 PM
1

i agree which is why i found the rs article so crazy.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 05:05 PM
1

i agree, it's ridiculous and this has been going on for awhile.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 05:05 PM
1

where did you get that definition, link the source. it sounds a little off.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 05:04 PM
-1

you clearly did not read the article.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 05:03 PM
0

I think the college should not be punishing its students for rape at all. Something about education being available to all regardless of criminal conduct. is that in the constitution? should criminals be able to vote too?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 05:03 PM
1

and what makes someone a masculinist? what are their primary tenets? are you one?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 05:02 PM
1

what do you think rape culture is?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 05:01 PM
0

you apparently did not read the article.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 05:00 PM
0

if they are found guilty at uva in the private tribunals they don't face criminal repercussions (and no one found guilty has ever been kicked out of school either) that's the point of colleges trying to adjudicate these matters (to save their reputations). are you not getting that part of the story?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 05:00 PM
-1

false accusations of rape, as well as this precedent that's being pushed where "if a woman says she was raped, it must be true", are all extremely problematic. it took 18 people coming forward and a close friend admitting to paying off people for things to really turn on cosby (and there is still no absolute assumption that he is guilty, it's just become a probability issue at this point, he faces no criminal backlash as all the incidences thus far reported are too old). this issue has come up o…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 04:56 PM
1

/r/redpill advocates being selfish and being manipulative /r/sex does not
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 03:56 AM
3

it should, my point is it was treated as less serious a crime than cheating based on uva's record.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 03:55 AM
1

Even if a dean could run a tribunal or such without putting the interests of the university first.... it would probably be a better idea just to have the police handle it. I agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 02:50 AM
1

No assumptions, I think the university policies were messed up and public outrage helped get the government involved to start addressing these issues. Until a better system is in place a discussion, spotlight on these topics is important.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 02:49 AM
1

/r/sex has plenty of posts about woman wanted to be dominated and rape fantasies. What is to stop an average clueless redditor from taking a post from /r/sex and going out and raping someone? just because a woman has a rape fantasy doesn't mean she wants it in real life or with a particular red piller. red pill emphasizes selfishness, what red pillers want, their needs, not the needs of others, which puts them at greater risk for doing what they want against the will, desires of of others. does …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 02:46 AM
2

They simply didn't want bad press...that's not rape culture. what about that rugby road song which was a pregame song for the marching band until 2010? that at least suggests rape humor was an normalized part of uva culture until recently. what's that about?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 02:43 AM
1

And where Deans like her respect the letter of the law. that's entirely an assumption
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 01:52 AM
0

I prefer a more free form discussion on this topic but I'll consider your points.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 01:45 AM
1

I don't know. Post the question on red pill and see what they say. A big issue with red pillers is knowing what the hell rape is as they don't seem adept at considering the views/perspectives of others. Red pill says women want to be taken, dominated, that could be taken the wrong way by a clueless red piller.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 01:40 AM
2

She's not an independent counselor though, she's an administrative dean with a likely biased agenda.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 01:35 AM
2

how did you read the article and suggest there were possibly no rapes in 30 years? lets hear your 'real' argument for that statement.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 01:29 AM
1

Also the privacy/safety of the men accused, the potential for a witchhunt. Once again sometimes getting convictions comes at too high a price. why is a dean better able to make that decision than a prosecutor? the dean is not a judge, they work for the school not the police or legal system. don't you think medical examiners, police, and legal professionals should be dealing with rape complaints not some private collegiate tribunal with questionable expertise and compromised interests?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 01:14 AM
1

to be able to tolerate red pill culture you have to be low on empathy (which is not to say zero empathy which would make you a psychopath). you have to be cool with people tearing down a whole gender and anyone else that does not validate red pill delusions, normal people with normal levels of empathy are not cool with that kind of messed up behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 01:10 AM
2

so you didn't read the article. if you are not openminded enough to read the article and share your views on it, i doubt your capacity to engage in open minded dialogue.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 01:06 AM
1

By all means I wish harm to all rapists..... but there's other factors to consider. The victim's privacy, her safety, the validity of the charges (if the charges are whack then why out yourself as the one who started the investigation). so that's more important than campus safety? the safety of other women? healthcare workers are required to report suspected abuse i believe. i could agree that anarchists would be the opposite of certain types of feminists (if that's was what you are saying). tot…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 12:53 AM
4

if you are not even reading the main article of this thread enough to know the basic facts, your capacity to have an open minded debate seems unlikely.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 12:48 AM
5

saying the lack of expulsions for rape could easily mean there were no rapes in thirty years (at a school that has had many) is picking apart my logic? interesting.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 12:35 AM
1

so you think reports of rape by students should not be forwarded to the authorities as a rule? why not? what is the opposite of a feminist? and are they equally off/wrong in your view?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 12:31 AM
7

in thirty years? i guess you didn't read the article among other issues with your thinking. also, the school doesn't expel students for being found guilty of rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 12:28 AM
1

The nice thing is, my ex got rounded up, tried by public opinion, got sentenced to 15 years, and was raped repeatedly in prison for the whole duration, far harder than anything she dealt to me. if you went to prison, what are the odds you would be raped? what are your figures based on?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 12:21 AM
1

why are you living in society if you truly like freedom? society equals social contract which equals the limiting of freedoms.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 12:18 AM
2

does a culture of hiding, covering up rape exist?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 12:13 AM
4

Rape culture does not exist. Even the advisory group for equality and women's issues to the white house says rape culture doesn't exist. No one thinks rape is ok. Being convicted of sexual assault is esentially social suicide and your reputation will be permanently tarnished. It's practically worse than any other crime save for mass murder. 187 expulsions at UVA for cheating over the last thirty years 0 for rape does a culture of hiding, covering up rape exist?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 12:09 AM
1

People like you who cry out for safety, an impossible thing are everything that is wrong with the world. haha, everything? worse than rapists?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 12:08 AM
0

the fact is if you are overly sympathetic to yourself and unsympathetic to others, which red pill advocates, you are more likely to hurt others for your benefit. that includes stealing, cheating, and emotional, physical and for some sexual abuse. i would think and hope that rape is rare even for red pillers, but still more common than people who have respect for others, but emotional abuse is the norm for red pillers.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/14 12:00 AM
1

selfless and some reciprocal people (men and women) would, but selfish people are not chivalrous, they would not sacrifice their hand. if you would sacrifice your hand for a loved one, you can't claim to be selfish.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/14 11:53 PM
0

It's in the university's best interest to keep the report rate low yes that's true, but that has no bearing in this argument. you either did not read this article enough or you are just obstinate on this topic. ptsd, common in men (and women), makes people easily manipulate-able. if the college party line is limit rape reports then that is more likely to happen in the staff however deftly they accomplish that. If I was put in this man's position, I'd have done the same thing. Being put in a posi…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/14 11:51 PM
1

and thats right, if a "member of my family" was brutally assaulted or raped and didnt go to the police ASAP i'd be furious with them and unsupportive of their decision. that's different from being unsympathetic to them as a rape victim which seemed to be your original stance. honestly, i think the person in the article would have reported it if they had better people in their life to support them. the school authorities should be taking this info to the police regardless of whether the victims w…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/14 11:45 PM
6

one of his friends has just came out saying he paid off women. the odds that he isn't a serial rapist are getting close to nil right now. nice to see you staying loyal to the end though. what does that say about you? i think your hatred of your mother colors your judgement of women as a gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/14 11:42 PM
1

if being a feminist is bad, what is the opposite of a feminist, and is that as bad?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/14 11:29 PM
0

They are trying to act as the police to keep public record rape reports from tarnishing the school's reputation. If you don't get that part of this story, you need to read more about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/14 11:27 PM
3

i don't know. i welcome a more open discussion on this topic, more research on this issue, so this is not a gray area that neither of us can give a clear answer to. i think anonymous self reports on sexual abuse are probably the most reliable metrics currently (as there is little incentive for anyone to lie). in this article, which talks about how complicated accurate measurment is, 19% of women self reported sexual abuse in a survey and 2.5% of men reported sexually abusing someone - http://www…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/14 11:25 PM
3

the vast majority or rape, abuse, and murder (not related to drug or criminal activity) are committed by acquaintances. the rapes that get reported are likely disproportionately the less common stranger rapes where there is no potential blowback for reporting the crime, no reason not to. when it's a family member, a friend, a classmate it becomes far more complicated especially when you have a school administration oriented to want to cover things up to protect their reputation (because no one w…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/14 11:15 PM
0

So if someone beat me up and I don't report it, I was never beat up? What about campus safety? Other potential victims? The school's responsibility? The end of the article talks about an abduction/killing that occurred recently by a perpetrator that was accused of rape multiple times at virginia colleges ten years ago (without any prosecution).
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/14 11:11 PM
2

Based on that article, do you think rape/sexual abuse is handled responsibly by UVA? If not, why not?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/14 10:54 PM
5

did you read the lolita article? it goes into the phenomena of not reporting abuse. so, if you had a family member that was raped and they didn't report it, you would have no sympathy for them? the non reporting of it invalidates the rape in your mind/heart?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/14 10:51 PM
5

so your solution is to not talk about the topic?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/14 10:45 PM
4

the article addresses that ridiculousness.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/14 10:44 PM
3

I think that's an aspect but hardly the whole story. The hospital worker than abducted and killed a women who had ten years earlier skirted several rape accusations at two different virginia colleges was not a wealthy individual or from a wealthy family.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/14 10:42 PM
4

If anyone wants to go on record as being that delusional then I don't see how that's a problem for anyone but them.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/14 10:40 PM
1

Besides linking to other equally academic studies your hamlin study only has a mere test group of 52 upper division students. Your other source is a single mishandled incident that is more reflective of sensationalist journalism, than reflecting on a real trend occurring on college campuses. 52 was the risk group, the study was 182 - "Altogether, 182 male students, including 33 high-risk athletic team members, 33 high-risk fraternity members, 21 low-risk athletic team members, 49 low-risk frater…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/14 10:37 PM
1

the extreme hypothetical is meant to ferret out selfish people who might not see themself as selfish because they do care about 'some' people. if you are more selfish than selfless, you would not sacrifice your hand even for your closest loved one. in any case, no one was willing to admit they would save their own hand that i saw which was interesting (so that's clearly something that people are uncomfortable admitting to).
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/14 10:29 PM
1

i meant behavior, misspelling. if 60% of a society is aggressive, pro-war, pro expansion, and 40% is peaceful, you overall have an aggressive society which is more likely to engage in war. if 55% of a society is pro social welfare programs and 45% is not, you overall have a pro social welfare society that is likely to have social welfare programs. if 60% of a society would cut of their hand over the hand of a loved one, you have a society which puts their loved ones before themself (a society li…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/14 09:41 PM
1

are the amish mainstream? are white separatist hate groups mainstream?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/14 08:42 PM
1

What is society but the collective imprint of the behavior of its members.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/14 07:00 PM
1

more selfish or more selfless people in society has an effect on the nature/character of society.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/14 04:13 PM
1

so it's leftist to care about the functionality of society?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/14 12:29 AM
0

But would you cut off your hand to save your husbands hand?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/14 10:19 PM
1

Just curious
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/14 10:17 PM
1

assume you can't get out, can't fight back (outnumbered, out gunned). socially sustainable means if everyone acted the same would society be sustainable or collapse, fall apart, become dysfunctional.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/14 08:53 PM
1

edit my typo, reread the comment. wat does that even mean? derivative sadist? it means you lack originality. you tread on old tired paths. that's an inferior evolutionary strategy and a boring individual strategy.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/14 08:51 PM
1

The purpose of this isn't to become slaves to our nature(and I really pity you in how you assume nature is bad. just as much as I think you're stupid for assuming its good), but rather not to become slaves to our given narrative. Recognize our nature more honestly and through that, our wants. nature is changeable, thus i respect change more than nature. you are a sadist (and a derivative one at that subscribing to red pill as you do), which is just as bad as being a masochist. why don't you come…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/14 08:29 PM
0

if more people in that situation chose their hand or vice versa it would have some impact on society.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/14 07:48 PM
1

so you have to hide who you are from others?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/14 07:27 PM
1

By orientation, do you mean that he's self-sacrificing rather than self preserving? yes, although an argument can be made that making individual sacrifices which improve society benefit the individual that lives in society.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/14 07:12 PM
0

maybe i should have said discuss whether your choice is more or less socially sustainable (i.e. would improve the world/society or not).
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/14 07:11 PM
1

are you honest about your selfishness with others? i.e. does everyone that knows you, know you would choose yourself over anyone else?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/14 07:04 PM
0

Consider a scenario in which all choosers where old men, old women, young women, or young men. that's interesting but that would be a different discussion. this is about what you would do if you had to choose between hurting yourself and your closest loved one and which of those strategies is more socially sustainable (which presumably means would result in a healthier, more functional society).
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/14 07:03 PM
1

Has your brother's orientation helped or hurt him in life? made him more or less happy?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/14 07:00 PM
1

what do you think your brother and partner would do if the situation was reversed?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/14 06:57 PM
1

est decision all around. There two people in my life who could be called my closest loved ones, and one (my brother) is an electri interesting, maybe, i'll edit the question to include both people losing a hand if you don't choose.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/14 06:56 PM
0

Choosing to have your hand cut off OR your loved one's hand are separate strategies which have separate consequences which will make them more or less socially sustainable in the long run, i.e. a person who chooses to have their loved one's hand cut off may survive better or worse in society in the long run than one who chooses to have their own hand cut off. Which strategy is better, more socially sustainable, is one of the topics of this discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/14 06:54 PM
0

in this scenario, you don't know which hand. you don't know the answer to any of those other questions either.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/14 06:49 PM
1

just because society is not always moral doesn't discredit morality. you should examine why you want to discredit morality which is about being concerned with doing what is right. if you could steal without getting caught, would you do it? you seem to hate the notion of personal responsibility. why? you want amorality to be some neutral thing. but it's not, it's about not being concerned with what's right. which may not be as bad as always 'being wrong', being immoral, but certainly isn't ideal.…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/14 06:13 PM
1

Did your parents insult you a lot and/or each other growing up?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/14 04:21 PM
1

While amoral does not equal immoral, it certainly is attractive to people who can be. Amorality is indifference to morality. Maybe you can explain why someone who doesn't care about what's right is not less likely to behave in a moral way?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/14 09:05 PM
-1

did your parents engage in manipulation of others, each other when you were growing up?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/14 12:29 AM
5

one's inborn flaws, pathological tendencies, are not one's fault. one's lack of addressing them, working on them is.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/14 08:15 PM
6

could you talk about a crime that has happened to you or a loved one and how it was partly their responsibility?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/14 03:50 PM
1

I think that seems to be the majority view but if that's not, I would like to know what the majority view is.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/14 05:06 AM
2

Isn't that the purpose of women in red pill thinking to focus value, time, etc. on their man, to be emotionally dependent on the strength of their red pill male, isn't that how they think women are most fulfilled?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/14 02:51 AM
1

This BP script you speak of is as foreign to me as the RP script. Is this how your parents were? I have to say I am cynical that RP types grew up in families like this (with their dads fawning over their wives). Is there any data on this? And if not, why is RP so obsessed with this dominant BP narrative if it doesn't even reflect most of their parent's relationships? How is complete nonreactivity not indifference, or how does it not eventually develop into indifference, blunted empathy? If RP wa…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/14 07:17 PM
1

No do the right thing can mean anything. Empathy, emotional radar, means what is this other person (that is not me, that is separate from me, a distinct human being) thinking, feeling, wanting? Do you understand the difference? Aspies can't do this and sociopaths don't value doing it. And they are deeply flawed, hamstringed as a result. Does BP tell you to attend to her feelings? or does it tell you to be ruled by her feelings? If you are saying the first is bad, then are you saying being attent…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/14 06:20 PM
1

Have you read any research on mirror neurons? The research I've read is that women are attracted to both types of men you profiled with the exception of aloofness, I'd like to see that research. One can be risktaking, caring, and stable, those traits are all orthogonal. Behaviorally I've been more red pill historically and thus know, at least personally, that's not a good way to maintain a functional healthy relationship. However, I don't lack empathy and so I don't feel the need to rely on a sc…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/14 05:48 PM
1

Again, if you have good emotional radar why does it matter what ideas, wrong or right were put into your head, your emotional radar will tell you what kind of person a girl is, whether she likes you, etc.. You seem to blame society for red pill types being clueless, having an 'incorrect blue pill script' society sold them, and I'm saying the more central problem with red pillers is that they lacked the ability to read people (blunted empathy), and continue to have that failing hence their need t…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/14 05:08 PM
1

How can you be bad at relationships, the root of that word having to do with RELATING, and not have emotional relating/empathizing issues? If you had good emotional radar (empathy), you would know what is attractive and unattractive to women... and men. Short of that you either need to develop your emotional radar (empathy) or follow some impersonal guide, cheat sheet which may work to some degree but does not address your core issue, bad emotional radar (empathy). You really think a canned impe…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/14 03:30 PM
2

Does getting reliable sex in a rule based way solve empathy/emotional deficits? Isn't too little empathy just as bad as too much?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/14 09:20 PM
2

the question is why does it lean that way, is it because people attracted to red pill have blunted empathy and thus can't read people very well so they need a logic/rule based system to function socially?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/14 07:59 PM
1

when my username is mitreddit15, you can accuse me of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/14 07:56 PM
1

humans are altruistic, i.e. not amoral, and thus anything they engage in, in general, en masse, can not be amoral, including sexual strategy. Human cooperation is an evolutionary puzzle. Unlike other creatures, people frequently cooperate with genetically unrelated strangers, often in large groups, with people they will never meet again, and when reputation gains are small or absent. http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v415/n6868/full/415137a.html http://healthland.time.com/2012/10/08/is-human-…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/14 10:35 AM
1

i read that article, and it's weak, why are you acting like it's the word of god. is that what it is to you? the whole premise is baseless. sexual strategy is human sexual stategy. it is as moral or amoral as humans make it. when rape was more common it was more amoral as humans were more amoral. but, i'm not sure even then human behavior, en masse, rose to the level of being more amoral than moral. you can't be amoral and altruistic and i've given you evidence that humans are altruistic (which …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/14 10:32 AM
1

Well if that's all true, I can't disagree with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/14 11:58 PM
-1

being ambitious does not correlate with being selfish. you can be an ambitious tycoon, shark, or an ambitious humanitarian. was ghandi a total shark? not to say clinton might not be a shark, i don't have enough info to know that.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/14 11:46 PM
0

ok, similar to saudis then.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/14 11:12 PM
0

no one is 100% nice or not nice. he had an affair. i haven't seen evidence that he's a serial cheater. jerks are cold hearted, does he strike you as a cold hearted person?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/14 10:47 PM
1

do you feel the same way about women as you feel about saudis?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/14 09:36 PM
0

why is bill clinton so loved if people like jerks?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/14 09:18 PM
0

it doesn't explain authentic unique alphas like axl rose, prince, einstein, that were being who they were and happened to be loved by the market, versus generic alphas like bieber whose identity is to cater to the market. and what about people who are only recognized as having high value many generations later, aristarchus, van gogh, poe, for example. how does this fit into the red pill model, were these people not real alphas because they were ahead of their time? this all goes to the point of …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/14 05:14 PM
-1

you only see me interact with red pillers, i.e. narcissistic sex addicts. sorry i can't be more enabling.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/14 02:12 PM
1

see my other comment and i'm still waiting for any scientific proof for anything you believe.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/14 01:35 PM
1

what does ECs stand for? where is the agency in sexual strategy other than in humans... you are depersonalizing, or red pill is, the concept of sex involving actual humans so to say sexual strategy is amoral, you are actually saying humans are amoral. where is the evidence that humans don't care more about right/truth than wrong, and thus are amoral? does red pill not have a burden to prove that? where is that proof? as to humans being more altruistic by nature (i.e. selfish people are not norma…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/14 01:34 PM
0

If that's true, explain the variety of teen idols or even movie stars that have high market value with women?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/14 01:13 PM
1

altruistic people are happier and physically healthier, the evidence is pretty strong in that study. being selfish, non altruistic, is as bad as being smoker. you can't be amoral (not concerned with what's right, with being helpful to others) and altruistic. further, holding frame is all about not being accommodating to others, being selfish, being non-altruistic. so red pill results, based on this evidence, in people who will be less healthy, less happy, long term. your red pill behavior is tox…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/14 11:14 AM
1

why would a red pill person ever get annoyed, i thought to be red pill is to hold frame and be emotionally flat. evidence i posted in the amoral thread (this thread was meant to discuss that video) - http://ggsc-web02.ist.berkeley.edu/images/uploads/Post-AltruismHappinessHealth.pdf narcissists can't really debate because their central goal is to prove their alpha-ness, superior image in all things. they can only posture and then melt down when their posturing doesn't work, when their alpha-ness,…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/14 11:09 AM
0

evolution implies change does it not? if women were attracted to the same alphas they were attracted to 100k years ago, they would be hanging around caves looking for men. similarly, i wonder if you can find a cohesive pattern of teenage girl idols through the last 100 years. was axl rose a physical example of an alpha? was he alpha because of his ability to mold himself to the desires of the market? or was he an authentic person that just happened to be attractive to the market? compare that to…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/14 11:02 AM
1

and yet you provide no reasons on how the two are different leaving me to wonder whether you actually read the article, thought this through, or are just narrowmindedly holding frame to red pill beliefs.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/14 10:54 AM
0

it was actually the median, my bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/14 10:50 AM
1

http://ggsc-web02.ist.berkeley.edu/images/uploads/Post-AltruismHappinessHealth.pdf
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/14 10:46 AM
0

they don't base it as much on looks, on average. older women know (or think) you won't have a long term relationship with them. to the degree women prefer older men it is in the range of about five years older. the age difference in marriage data reflects that.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/14 02:35 AM
1

so you don't disagree the narcissist/codependent model is the red pill relationship model, ok.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/14 01:32 AM
0

women want relationships so they are not going to invest in someone even if they prefer their looks, they are more realistic than older red pillers who think they have much of a chance with young women.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/14 01:31 AM
1

why are male strippers all 20-30? wouldn't there be a wider age range if women did actually find men older than 30 as physically attractive?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/14 12:54 AM
-2

because im not super nice to you. is throwing drugs to a drug addict altruistic? i will similarly not validate your stupidity.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/14 12:42 AM
0

it's a book on the scientific research on beauty. i can understand why that would not interest you based on your aversion to empiricism and maybe even reading. i know you are a hollow posturing narcissist defending a weak position. i suggest you avoid intelligent, educated, emotionally stable people if you don't want to be seen for what you are.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/14 11:49 PM
1

you have not posted one single example of scientific evidence for red pill, not one.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/14 11:46 PM
1

but the iq research exists, and there's a fair amount of it, and yet red pill research does not (actually i think you could maybe find some if you looked, but it doesn't seem like anyone wants to do that here). my point stands, that you are rationalizing a weak position. i wasn't asking about why red pill wasn't taught in schools. they want to teach evolution in some states in school, schools are about what the people want, not the scientific method. i guess this is your idea of a healthy relati…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/14 11:08 PM
1

so having unnamed degrees makes one an expert. if i have more degrees than you, am i more of an expert than you? if the degrees my schools came from have higher market value than you, am i more of an expert? are any of your degrees science related? if so, why are you resistant to make scientific based arguments on the red pill? why is a war of opinions more desirable to you? what did you footnote college papers with?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/14 11:02 PM
0

it's kind of dumb not to intellectually try at all or to think complex human relations can be boiled down into simple catch phrases.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/14 10:41 PM
-1

so you are saying you think everyone modifies who they are to get women and/or friends? i don't. most people i know don't. that's fake narcissistic behavior to do that. men being post wall when they look older than 28 is not my theory it's based on the scientific evidence in the book survival of the prettiest. it also lines up with the reality that most young women don't want anything to do with older dudes romantically. the book also discusses how all men prefer younger women, so it's not some …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/14 10:40 PM
0

in survival of the prettiest (a book on the science of beauty research), the average age of a male photo women found most attractive was 28. so looking older than 28 makes you post wall physically to the market of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/14 10:35 PM
1

i doubt you've ever read anything about black and white thinking. but since you are acting like you have, indulge me, what have you read? so you are an expert on red pill and plenty of other things that aren't related to this, that will remain unmentioned. most people are not an expert on anything. you are quite impressive or a narcissistic poseur, odds say the later. you are not even a compelling narcissistic poseur.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/14 10:32 PM
1

i asked for scientific evidence, your words without that to back you up are of little value. it would fit the narcissist profile to see your image, what you value, be tarnished on this subreddit and get upset, want to defend it even if what is posted about red pill is accurate. john edwards and bill clinton vehemently denied their adultery in the press, even though it was true. it's called a reality distortion field, that's what narcissists live in and try to draw others into. you can't debate, …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/14 10:25 PM
1

rp thinking is narcissistic. if you are red pill and not narcissistic, i guess i would be curious to hear why you would want, need a partner that submits to your will. i don't see how one can divide the two.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/14 10:17 PM
1

if everyone is either red pill or blue pill in your mind, than that is black and white thinking. even if you allow for a spectrum... everyone isn't explained by that spectrum even remotely. what other relationship models are there besides red pill and blue pill that you know of? what are you an expert in that you could educate anyone?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/14 06:36 PM
1

so you have no opinion on whether females that engage in manipulation of males are worse than males that engage in manipulation of females? seems like you are dodging this question. where did i say there is no spectrum? i think everything is a spectrum. but if you say you are red pill than you are likely within a certain area on some spectrums, and one of them is narcissism. most people don't think in blank and white like you are doing and a lot or red pill people do. depressed people do though.…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/14 05:06 PM
0

Let's recap how this went. "tell me how holding frame is not very similar if not identical to a narcissist maintaining their social image to others?" >>> Told. >>> fallacious arguments full of strawman. further demonstrating you don't know what "frame means" >>> Fallacy pointed out. >>> Topic change haha, you assume because you answer a point, your answer regardless of it's quality, evidence, is right? that's why debaters don't rate themselves, because obviously you think you are right 100% of t…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/14 04:55 PM
-1

empathy is your ability to feel another's feelings. if you are highly empathetic person you will feel the feelings of anyone around you regardless of whether they are in your 150, regardless of whether you have ever met them before. if the homeless person was in a good mood, why would the empath feel the need to do anything for them? empathy just means you have a sensitive capacity to pick up on the emotions of others (not much different than other human capacities, like jumping ability). cognit…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/14 03:42 PM
1

do you think women that play/manipulate guys are worse than men that play/manipulate women? do you find it a little limiting that your mind categorizes everyone as either red or blue? do you understand the concept of black and white thinking and what it's associated with? http://www.clinical-depression.co.uk/dlp/understanding-depression/all-or-nothing-or-black-and-white-thinking-and-depression/
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/14 03:28 PM
-2

what's more important, empathy or logic? unless a promiscuous woman is your partner, how could someone like that hurt you? is it good for men to be sluts? is sex addiction different from drug addiction?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/14 03:18 PM
-2

ok, but seems like you are the one going into hiding THETERRORSQUAD.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/14 02:59 PM
0

post the links to peer reviewed scientific studies that your comrades have posted in any of my threads, or what you just said is false. i guarantee a bear copulates harder than you, and probably even a weasel, are you inferior to a bear, a weasel? proven wrong with what exactly, where is the scientific evidence that's been posted, or not posted? how can you win a debate against me without any objective evidence if I have some backing up my position? is the red pill word more valuable than peer r…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/14 02:57 PM
1

no evidence to back up your argument and one curse phrase, nice debate skills.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/14 02:36 PM
1

is everyone that is not red pill, blue pill? and if so, are most people that are not red pill, idiots? if so, why would you hang out in non red pill places around non red pill people? so you are following red pill because based on what you know it's better? you understand that's different from it being better? how do you go about making sure there are not better ideas than red pill?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/14 02:34 PM
1

but would you want her to stay if she did not defer or submit to you much or at all? would you ever try being in an equal non dom/sub relationship? or would you be in the sub in a dom/sub relationship? if not, does that make you narrow minded?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/14 02:14 PM
0

if you don't want to debate me, don't. my curiosity on why red pillers who are narcissists or aspiring narcissists (and thus have to be right, validated) are on a debate subreddit is a separate curiosity. what red piller here has posted anywhere close to the amount of scientific data i have, or even read what i've posted? so if my argument is based on the tiniest scrap of meaningless ad-hominem, i would like to know how you would characterize the evidence/argument of yourself and others in a com…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/14 02:14 PM
-2

could you link to where i said was fantastic? what kind of people do you think highly of putting before yourself? everyone? or just certain groups? is this a charity that's about helping everyone/anyone in the world without agenda or does it have a religious/ideological/nationalistic orientation? i think your name is kind of funny. i also think there is meaning in things and i wanted to know what your name meant to you. own your username THETERRORSQUAD, why did you choose that name?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/14 02:05 PM
0

exactly, red pillers are narcissists so why are the on a neutral debate board? they are not here for real debate, just image control, to defend their seedy image.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/14 01:55 PM
0

so, you agree that red pill is about being narcissistic... but are now claiming that's healthy. ok, healthy narcissism is a theory with not much evidence behind it, notice the anemic wikipedia link on it compared to narcissistic personality disorder. in fact, do a search on scholar.google.com, and you will find the following... "healthy narcissism" 1430 results "narcissism" 118,000 results but since you endorse healthy narcissism, i'll discuss how even healthy narcissism is incongruous to red pi…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/14 01:51 PM
0

there is value in interacting with the subject... or at least i currently think there is to bother doing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/14 01:23 PM
1

post where i ever said women can do know wrong. women are as flawed as men. there are women that hate men like you seem to hate women (even though you can't seem to live without them, and/or sex hence your red pill association). there's a lot of room between being a virgin and being aggressively promiscuous. you understand that don't you? and where did i say ban promiscuity? i simply said it's seedy behavior in men or women. if everyone that is not red pill is blue pill, i think your assertions …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/14 01:22 PM
1

i would say healthy associates with higher self reports of happiness, lower mortality rates, lower levels of health problems. i posted studies which showed people who valued altruism had those things. did you read those at all?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/14 12:58 PM
-3

so says the terror squad. what do you think of putting others needs before your own, looking out for others, or people that do that, THETERRORSQUAD?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/14 12:54 PM
1

ok, i read it. that theory is about how many people you can cognitively track, keep track of. that says nothing about empaths, empathy.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/14 05:12 AM
0

do the girls know how many other girls you are having sex with? do you know how many other guys they are having sex with?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/14 05:05 AM
0

how is the red pill relationship dynamic different from this - http://psychcentral.com/blog/archives/2013/09/08/the-dance-between-codependents-narcissists/ ? do you have any scientific study data that shows most people put themselves before others?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/14 04:35 AM
-1

i answered your question. i don't know if war would be more common without nuclear deterrence. you want me to make up a position to qualify as what you think is intellectually honest in your eyes, or just give you my actual honest answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/14 04:32 AM
-1

the narcissist / codependent relationship is not innovative though http://psychcentral.com/blog/archives/2013/09/08/the-dance-between-codependents-narcissists/ i guess emulating narcissism if that's not who you are is maybe novel.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/14 04:27 AM
0

that's kind of an evasive answer. do you want an equal, egalitarian relationship or someone that looks up to you, heeds you, submits to your will?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/14 04:24 AM
-1

i take it from your response you are not, great.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/14 11:57 PM
1

it's good to enjoy it when it's there, but not need it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/14 11:56 PM
1

i'm a personality researcher. no diagnoses. i'm not a fan of narcissistic personality disorder and trp is a variant of that behavioral pattern. now tell me about yourself. blue pill or red pill? what's your background?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/14 11:55 PM
0

this link? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunbar%27s_number
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/14 09:39 PM
0

it's a conscious, acted out, detainer/detainee dynamic. so not the same thing but related.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/14 09:38 PM
0

do you require obedience, submission in a romantic partner?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/14 09:27 PM
-1

curiosity and to discuss how insane red pill is. but red pill types claim to be amoral and not concerned with external validation, so i don't understand why they would venture outside of red pill walls. it only makes sense to me that they do care about validation and are defending their adopted beliefs/identity, the good name of red pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/14 09:27 PM
-2

this is based on your opinion or a scientific study?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/14 09:23 PM
1

you have to accept people for who they are, and if who they are is untenable, just find people who are more to your liking. and intelligence should be able to be explored, enjoyed, developed alone as much as with others, so there is no disappointment when people are not what you want or you can't find anyone that meets your interests. your starvation for intellectual company suggests you have an external orientation bias, dependency to some degree.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/14 09:16 PM
1

there is research on race and iq and that is far more controversial than red pill, explain that? all the evidence i need is on red pill subs from true believers, c'mon. narcissists are liars. you can't trust them. you can't trust yourself if you are one of them. you are hamstering.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/14 09:09 PM
-1

i don't think you understand the empath personality type, why some people love jobs like nursing, caretaking, etc.. naturally empaths/nurturers feel the emotions of others more than their own. they can only experience happiness through happiness of someone else, and respond to the sadness of others like it's there own. if you are not wired like this, the best you can do is to read about this personality or ask people who are like, what it's like.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/14 09:06 PM
0

like someone else here on this thread, you assume everyone has the same personality preferences you do. that's not the reality. your argument is basically red pill matches what i say but not to the degree that it's pathological. explain how pretending to be what the market deems valuable and putting yourself before others is healthy in the way that being organized is healthy? how well does this match the red pill ideal relationship model? http://psychcentral.com/blog/archives/2013/09/08/the-danc…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/14 09:03 PM
-1

if frame is self confidence, please explain how can one become instantly self confident? it's fake self confidence, i.e. and act/front/con and it only works if ignorant people buy it, or desperate women pretend to buy it so you will take care of them. read up on narcissist/co-narcissist relationships and you will see the architecture of the red pill model, pre red pill. you acknowledge that red pill types will try to become what the market dictates, what women dictate. that's exactly how narciss…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/14 08:52 PM
1

just curious.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/14 08:41 PM
1

/r/raisedbynarcissists will get old quick, it did for me, but it's good for a little bit. yeah, people have different personality fixations. even when you get that it's still can be confusing to deal with people until you understand what those are... and what yours are. i'm still honing my ability to efficiently figure out what a person's fixations are. i can't imagine any red piller is primarily an idea person. they will likely mostly be image people. genuine purple pillers could be anything. s…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/14 06:34 PM
1

i have no way of knowing the answer to that. what's wrong with nuclear deterrence? do you wish we didn't have it and fought decimating world wars every a few generations?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/14 06:31 PM
0

how has a concern for stds affected your behavior?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/14 06:22 PM
0

haha oh my. explain the link between religion or tribal associations, both groups operate on lower levels of empathy than liberal westerns exhibit, in a majority of the remaining violence in the world?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/14 05:56 PM
2

yeah, narcissists being described as children emotionally is pretty common. /r/raisedbynarcissists is interesting too for info on this both because it's loaded with first hand perspective on narcissists and a lot of the people there are unknowingly narcissistic (because it's a fairly genetic trait) so they narcissistically complain, demonize the narcissists they grew up with (because narcs love to demonize) oblivious to the fact that they are similar... and it's against board rules to point out …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/14 05:51 PM
1

'helping' your sex slave helps you, still narcissistic, especially as it reinforces their obedience, Stockholm syndrome. this is a narcissist / co narcissist relationship, there is stuff written on it pre red pill. the narcissist is often as much the dupe, victim in the scenario as the co-narcissist... similar to SM relationships. a man increasing his value based on the value judgements of society leads to a less individualist, less dynamic, more generic world. so, no, it doesn't help society. d…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/14 05:38 PM
1

yes, this is just a temporary curiosity. it's rare to be able to interact with so many narcissists and anti social types without threat of physical violence, reprisal. but, yes it's proving to be as boring and empty as most of them are beneath their frame.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/14 05:25 PM
2

show me the data that war and death is not rarer in the modern world? benevolence to everyone, not just your in group, family, is altruism. 'benevolence' to your family, in group, is programmed genetic narcissism.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/14 05:25 PM
0

being attractive, right is the identity of a narcissist. to face being wrong is identity suicide. anyone who understands narcissist dynamics, what frame means is cryptonite to a red piller. they don't want to deal with anyone like that because they know who they are is about faking dominance/attractiveness/rightness. they are only successful if people buy the con, anyone who understands it for what it is makes them feel as powerless as they are beneath the con. even if a red piller, narcissist i…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/14 05:13 PM
1

you say that but your argument contains zero points and is thus of no value to a debate. going back and forth with 'everything you say is wrong... no everything you say is wrong' is not debating. if you don't want to intelligently debate move along. also, no one has legit answered why a red piller would want to spend time on this subreddit? what's your motivation?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/14 04:56 PM
1

"The only value judgment Red Pill seems to make is that a Red Pill life is more rewarding than the Blue. It's backed up by compelling evidence" show me the compelling large sample size peer reviewed scientific evidence? or explain why it doesn't exist? waiting... and name one person that has argued with me a lot that is blue pill, just one.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/14 04:43 PM
3

i've made very clear that i think red pill thinking aligns with narcissistic personality disorder. i'm sorry if that is unpleasant for you to hear, but i've posted my reasoning and evidence. i think the link is very solid. feel free to refute any of the specific points i have made. tell me how holding frame is not very similar if not identical to a narcissist maintaining their social image to others? tell me how the obsession with higher value/status is not narcissistic? tell me how the intolera…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/14 04:40 PM
1

interesting to say that since as the world has grown up, become less childish, war and destruction have become more rare. seems like you want the world to remain childish, in the dark ages. what exactly do you think blue pill is other than everything red pill isn't, or alternatively lets make fun of how insane red pill types are? if you like discussing red pill ideas why not stay in that territory, this is about discussing non red pill things as much as it is about red pill. if you are staunchly…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/14 04:28 PM
2

if you identify as red pill, or as more red pill than purple pill, you are red pill. are you going to be able to be honest with women that all you want is one night stands?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/14 04:22 PM
1

you are a slave to society if you have a job and don't want to have a job. are you not? if you don't believe in value judgements, how does red pill work? doesn't it require that men have higher value or act like they do, and women make valuations about men accordingly? saying something works requires a value judgement does it not? unless all you care about is getting sex and not the value of the sex or the person it is with. isn't every red piller making a valuation that red pill is best by bein…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/14 04:21 PM
-2

So you are pro the death of your children when necessary? Why are you on this subreddit exactly?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/14 04:11 PM
1

your inference is not accurate. in the video he discusses that our more primitive nature is more selfish, violent (it used to just be about tribe, then about religion, then about country, and now with enhanced empathetic awareness we are now at a new stage of development, greater level of awareness, connection). you are being loyal to a more primitive side of yourself when you favor behaviors that were more common in primitive humanity. now, i don't know if that is simple cognitive ignorance due…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/14 04:08 PM
-2

so scientific studies and articles are meaningless (you probably haven't read anything i've posted because being openminded is bad) but blogs posts written by crazy people are meaningful to you. how does that math work out? "Second, ultracalvinists believe in the futility of violence. The corresponding ideal is of course Peace. ("Violence only causes more violence.") This is well-known as pacifism." so you are pro violence? do you miss world wars? want your children to die in one?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/14 04:02 PM
2

why does red pill care about winning arguments with non red pill types?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/14 03:57 PM
1

how can i be athiest and christian? why does this debate interest you exactly?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/14 03:51 PM
0

A. they were my topic threads and B. they were not saying anything of substance that merited a response, i.e. you are wrong is not an argument. or everything you just said is unsubstantiated isn't much either. i post studies, articles, theories, ideas, i expect something similar from other debaters here. i'm also unclear why anyone who defines themself as red pill or more red pill than purple is here? maybe you could elaborate on that?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/14 03:40 PM
1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7AWnfFRc7g
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/14 03:28 PM
1

this is debate subreddit. if you are not going to watch the video and debate issues in it, why are you on this subreddit?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/14 03:27 PM
1

why are you on this debate subreddit? or any red pill type if you are not here to debate? are you just here to defend red pill, why do you care what people think of red pill?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/14 02:57 PM
-1

who cares about girls that want you that you don't want. the other day a dog humped me, attention from someone/something you don't really want to be with is nothing to brag about. seems like a waste of time too.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/14 02:27 PM
1

you can dislike people and thus think you are an introvert, but if you are more externally inclined, find happiness more in external things, you are an extrovert by jung's definition who developed the concept if introversion/extroversion. are you concerned about stds? that's a big weakness to the one night stand strategy. people that will be willing to have one night stands are far more likely to have stds. as you said, you are more purple pill, so it's not odd that you are here. i'm still wonde…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/14 02:17 PM
1

should i speak in certain tones to fakely maintain my frame like red pill dogma says? will you then be my loyal plate? most red pill types are followers, hence their reliance on red pill dogma and cliches. if you don't make an argument other than to say something is shitty, i don't have much to respond to. just like red pill thinks women that ride the cock carousel are seedy, men that ride the vagina carousel are also seedy. explain to me how increasing your odds of getting an std is alpha, impr…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/14 02:10 PM
1

i agree with your first point. on your second point, you have to care about the world and what's right to be interested in proselytizing. if you are not externally concerned, then influencing the world is not going to interest you even if you are preoccupied with what is right. red pill types by nature are externally concerned. They want the world or at least their world to be more habitable to their interests, agenda, so they will try to influence, maneuver, manipulate the external to their int…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/14 12:34 PM
1

Having established the red pill does not operate scientifically, it would depend on what the central operating principles of red pill are and what long term effect they have on individuals and society. All the one's i'm aware of skew negative and only work with narcissists or ignorant people who can be manipulated by narcissistic strategies. helping someone figure out how to be in an unhealthy relationship or change one type of unhealthy relationship into another type, is not a good thing from m…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/14 06:33 PM
1

lacking a moral sense; unconcerned with the rightness or wrongness of something. "an amoral attitude to sex" synonyms: unprincipled, without standards, without morals, without scruples, science is about the search for truth, it's only conventionally, subjectively amoral, i.e. not in line, concerned with subjective cultural morality (what people think). it is in fact objectively moral in that truth is all about figuring out what is right and what is wrong. red pill, unlike science, is amoral in t…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/14 06:14 PM
1

i already did. red pill isn't science. there is no professional academic scientist working on red pill theories. if i'm wrong, name one, just one. how can it be a science if no professional scientist is doing work on it?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/14 05:29 PM
1

and cliches are like mentally giving up because you can't form an intelligent argument, thought of your own.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/14 04:56 PM
1

narcissistic rage is when you are not getting the external respect/validation you think you deserve and you get mad. all the negativity you see towards women on red pill boards is related to that. why paint women in a negative light unless the red pill community feels narcissistic injury from women for not validating their delusional self valuations. why is men sleeping around spinning plates and women sleeping around the cock carousel? why do red pills need to reframe reality to make their prom…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/14 04:51 PM
2

i included an article, which references a study, on the topic (correlation between narcissism and hypocrisy) a few posts back.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/14 04:16 PM
1

why is raising a child a different issue? are aspects of the human experience able to be separated in vacuum chambers? trp is narcissistic rage, delusion, entitelment personified.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/14 04:14 PM
1

nuclear science is science. redpill is not science. it's a narcissistic/anti-social interest group claiming to be something it's not like it's members identity are all about claiming to be something they are not. if you are red pill, you would get that if your self image wasn't based on a need to have a fake image of superiority validated externally. how could you admit to ignorance? that would make you unattractive and you can't bear that.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/14 04:12 PM
4

so redpill isn't a circlejerk sub but bluepill is? explain that. and your thread header implies this is about discussing tbp vs trp on the topic of hypocrisy so i'm confused as to you saying this isn't the place to discuss tbp as it's a central component to the subject of your topic. narcissism correlates to greater levels of hypocrisy, so whichever subreddit has more hypocrisy (one example, describing men dating around in a positive tone, spinning plates, and women doing the same as cock carous…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/14 03:55 PM
7

ok, do you think it's relevant to discuss whether one group is far more hypocritical and why? seems like the seeds, nature of hypocrisy might be more easily deducible in the more hypocritical specimen. here is an article that touches on the link between narcissism and hypocrisy http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2012/03/study-of-the-day-narcissism-mixed-with-religion-breeds-hypocrisy/254509/ most people are narcissistic to some degree, but you would expect more narcissistic types to be mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/14 03:33 PM
9

you say to a certain extent we are all hypocritical, but are both groups equally so? it seems a group that positions itself as amoral and attraction focused, not to mention alpha focused, is more likely to want others to find their views attractive, superior and intolerant to anyone that doesn't agree (since they are amoral, don't care about others). again, seems like the red pill mindset results in an inherently closeminded certainty far more than blue pill which has no real ideology that i am …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/14 03:12 PM
1

you can't be amoral AND altruistic, you are either pro the interests of others, society or pro your own interests to the disregard of others, society.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/14 02:46 PM
1

Just every social context I'm curious about. So shame tactics are merely road blocks to red pill tactics, so they are useful for society, bad for red pillers. This seems to confirm the idea that red pillers are selfish addicts and loathe anything that interferes with their sex fix.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/14 10:34 AM
1

High volunteerism remained significantly associated with lower mortality rates. Specifically, “the 44 percent reduction in mortality associated with high volunteerism in this study was larger than the reductions associated with physical mobility (39 percent), exercising four times weekly (30percent), and weekly attendance at religious services (29 percent), and was only slightly smaller than the reduction associated with not smoking (49 percent)” (Oman et al., 1999, p. 310; Oman & Reed, 1998). A…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/14 10:29 AM
1

not every human has the same personality. there are very narcissistic people and others that couldn't be further from being that way, and most in between (as personality traits tend to have a bell curve distribution).
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/14 10:20 AM
1

What is your focus?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/14 01:52 AM
1

ok that explains why one has less negative consequences than the other, but doesn't explain why red pill doesn't use the term vagina carousel which is more descriptively accurate? they are still consciously choosing a more pleasant sounding less descriptive label. why?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/14 08:59 PM
1

Spinning plates is the RPMale version of women who ride the cock carousel. so, equally seedy. why don't they call it riding the vagina carousel then? why describe the male behavior in more positive light than the female behavior? what does that say?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/14 08:25 PM
1

if they are incapable of offense why are the preoccupied with social shaming tactics?... seems like they would not care about them if they are not sensitive to external validation/invalidation.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/14 07:19 PM
1

so you would say on average you are a more positive than negative person? do you have a strong habit of choosing to be positive when you face trouble, when others or life circumstances are negative? do you tend to see the bright side of everything? how do you base your success in life? do you identify yourself as a man in trp? is that part of your identity? i agree meditation is great.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/14 06:28 PM
1

we? your cult? i thought i was speaking to an individual. everyone is somewhere on a spectrum, but we are not all in the same place. if you have negative thoughts and feelings on a daily basis you are depressed and that has serious health consequences if you don't address it. i'm sorry you don't care about your health as much as i do.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/14 06:05 PM
1

i'm just going by the empirical data instead of my macho post wall aging ego. and this post confirms that reality http://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/2irtc8/the_aging_issueproblem_in_sexual_dynamics/cl4wmmh
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/14 06:01 PM
1

even though happiness is correlated with better health? do you not value health? and happiness is not my goal in life is something depressed people say... while also denying they are depressed. do your own research if you don't believe me.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/14 05:49 PM
-2

that would make sense to me if men's preference for 20yr olds was not so strong in the research. i think men learn to ignore there preferences both because they can't realize them and it's depressing.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/14 05:48 PM
0

ok, in your language, you can't be a badass if you look over 28, because you are physically faltering... you are out of your prime, post wall.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/14 05:46 PM
1

i just want you to be a happier person.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/14 05:28 PM
1

I think the difference might be emotionally stable narcissists vs. emotionally unstable narcissists. i don't agree ideologically with emotionally stable narcissists but they can be a lot of fun and can contribute a lot to the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/14 05:27 PM
0

got it, my confusion.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/14 05:24 PM
0

but bottom line, once you look older than 28, you can't be a real alpha. if red pill is about truth, that's the truth. your capacity to experience pleasure, happiness, plummets as you physically deteriorate, as you have less neurotransmitters and receptor sensitivity responsible for those things. so you are deluding yourself that anything gets better as you get older in terms of happiness/pleasure capacity. a sense of a shared history can get better, i don't dispute that... although your capacit…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/14 05:22 PM
1

you should speak in a more civilized fashion.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/14 05:17 PM
-1

you don't believe older men would rather have sex with young women? http://espnfivethirtyeight.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/chart_women.jpg?w=1024 http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/christian-rudder-dataclysm-okcupid/
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/14 05:16 PM
-1

It's an overview of the scientific research on attractiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/14 05:13 PM
1

why do you think it's really negative and a circlejerk? (genuinely curious)
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/14 05:12 PM
-3

and you think that is more the truth than older men can't get a younger women? i think that's wishful thinking.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/14 05:11 PM
1

well, human language is imprecise. the self report measures researchers use to measure altruism don't entirely fit that exact definition. investing in others, the world, without expectation of benefit is different than zero interest in benefit. http://ggsc-web02.ist.berkeley.edu/images/uploads/Post-AltruismHappinessHealth.pdf
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/14 05:09 PM
1

why do you hang here and not TRP?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/14 05:06 PM
1

doing things without personal expectation of benefit is altruism. do you think i expect you to become more open minded in my investment of discussion with you? i hope you become more open minded, i don't expect it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/14 05:05 PM
1

lifting getting fit is better than doing nothing but i've not seen any data that it halts, reverses aging for post wall men or women. elaborate on your women shaming comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/14 05:01 PM
-1

Read the book Survival of the Prettiest. The study they referenced in that book used photos without ages. I'll try to find an external link to the actual study but it's definitely in the book.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/14 04:59 PM
0

are you responding to this as an older woman who actually believes that, and believes that has value or just someone who thinks that is what older women believe delusionally? i think the more realistic thinking would be they don't think their husbands can do any better, probably because they can't.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/14 04:56 PM
3

if you want to be, maintain happiness avoid relationships with narcissistic men and women entirely. yes, trp is good for familiarizing yourself with the darker aspects of human nature. i agree with that.
/r/ExRedPill09/10/14 04:54 PM
1

http://ggsc-web02.ist.berkeley.edu/images/uploads/Post-AltruismHappinessHealth.pdf
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/14 04:52 PM
1

so your opinion is more valuable than intellectual professionals, the history of empirical science? throw out your technology if you don't value science because your computer was not built by a blacksmith. how does the the fact that you will get physically weaker as you get older mesh with your anti-fragility theory? are you endorsing a concept which invalidates your value as you age? if my behavior hurts your feelings (or the feelings of anyone clinging to anti-social beliefs) but makes the wor…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/14 04:50 PM
1

bezos is an idea person, innovator more than a capitalist. that company will never be more about making money as long as he runs it. you must not read the red pill subreddit then or are just being dishonest.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/14 04:38 PM
0

http://espnfivethirtyeight.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/chart_women.jpg?w=1024 http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/christian-rudder-dataclysm-okcupid/
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/14 04:33 PM
1

would you want to devote yourself to a girl who was wired to do what's best for her? people sense selfish people and stay away. read up on scholar.google.com how altruistic people have happier lives.
/r/ExRedPill09/10/14 04:30 PM
7

if we share most of the same characteristics why do most men and women not spin plates? why are most men and women not angry and entitled like you find on red pill boards?
/r/ExRedPill09/10/14 04:28 PM
10

"so long as she was pretty" so you didn't put women on a pedestal, you put beauty, physical superiority, the prospect of sexual reward on a pedestal, just like a typical addict does. beauty isn't generally earned. read the selfish gene by richard dawkins, your genes play you to maximize their ability to jump to the next generation, and hooking up with an attractive person will do that, stop letting them rule you and figure out what makes you individually happy (hobbies, career, friends, a romant…
/r/ExRedPill09/10/14 04:27 PM
1

so you live in a world where things can be 100% false, must be convenient for avoiding the complexity of objective reality. so amazon, one of the biggest companies, employers, in the world is not a business yet by your definition? how long has amazon been around? you make the mistake of thinking that publicly traded companies where there is more pressure to make money for shareholders are the only businesses. another person or another plate? have you ever read on a red pill forum that women woul…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/14 04:12 PM
1

will do
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/14 04:07 PM
0

it's not concerned with subjective, religious notions of morality, but in terms of morality linguistically meaning with what is right, true, and wrong, false, that is what it's all about.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/14 04:07 PM
1

altruistic people don't degrade to concept of society, and not depressed individuals are not negative.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/14 04:05 PM
0

hard not to be cynical when you suffer from depression and are too stubborn to address it. you are not a fighter. you are a quitter.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/14 04:04 PM
1

are you serious? i'm not going to waste my time unless five other red pillers answer this post agreeing with you that it's not common, then i will go find a bunch limiting myself only to the front page of the red pill subreddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/14 03:36 PM
2

business is not inherently focused on making money though, it's about focusing on a trade, occupation, doing a particular thing. there are many businesses, possibly a majority, that care more about the work itself than money. as long as they make enough money to keep going, that's as much as many businesses care about money. for your analogy to hold, the focus of red pill should not be about sex, it should be about relationship strategy, maximizing relationships, not maximizing sex. i don't thin…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/14 03:34 PM
1

First, that was a very well thought out response. I guess my only issues with red pill then is whether it does good science (i'll get into that in another post), and whether people that are interested, preoccupied with sex primarily are a bit off. Yes, everyone likes sex, its critical to human survival, etc. but are people more preoccupied than most with sex a little off (more likely to engage in abusive/dysfunctional behavior which hurts society), just like people overly preoccupied with food, …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/14 03:15 PM
1

Bad science is amoral, a study done incorrectly, or dishonestly is one that doesn't concern itself with right or wrong. Science is all about the search for truth. Truth is analogous to right, absence of truth is analogous to wrong. TRP, in it's current form, at least as i understand it, is just narcissistic pathological thinking packaged as truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/14 03:05 PM
0

as to point number one, if red pill is bad for society, how is letting it be good? and maybe shaming is not constructive, but what would be constructive to deal with something that is bad for society? if i want a better, more functional society, how is not caring about society going to yield me that? businesses can definitely be seedy for society, it depends on the business,not all businesses are the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/14 02:59 PM
0

you don't have to engage me if it doesn't suit you.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/14 02:51 PM
1

I want you to be honest about what you are. I want that from anyone. Do you think the research that says non altruistic cynical people are basically kind of fucked is made up, some sort of conspiracy against you?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/14 02:49 PM
-3

that absence of an argument, thoughts, ideas seems more inane to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/14 02:18 PM
-1

Seems like you are describing generalists who specialize in, focus on making lots of money, i.e. like a wood floor specialist has to be good at whatever is related to wood floors, the people you describe are good at whatever is required for them to make a lot of money? Is that not a specialization to you? are they not much better at making money than most people, like a seasoned cobbler can be really good at making shoes (but might not be so good wood floors or making money)? so the people you l…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/14 01:39 PM
-1

yes, they are seedy people too. there are seedy people of both genders, always have been, always likely will be.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/14 01:32 PM
0

Give me an example other than red pill of when you have ever substantially changed your mind on anything in your life?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/14 01:26 PM
-1

I get that you are closed minded and don't like new information that challenges your fixed thinking. Heroin addicts usually notice when they start doing heroin they are much happier. I'm sure successful criminals can be happy. The question is, what is good for long term happiness of the individual AND society. If you don't care about society be honest about that with others unless you have to deceive people to about who you currently are. A red piller on this thread was very honest that red pill…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/14 01:25 PM
-1

not everyone has entitlement issues but all narcissists do. also amoral means lacking a moral sense; unconcerned with the rightness or wrongness of something. now, do you think society is amoral? are you amoral?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/14 01:19 PM
0

so the goal is to keep your partner in fear/awe of your ability to find another partner? this seems highly manipulative and insecure behavior, in line with narcissistic personality disorder. again, i can't seeing anyone with authentic internal confidence, i.e. not depressed, pursuing this sort of strategy.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/14 10:59 AM
-1

is there an empirical basis for this argument? a scientific study? here's a study that says if you take a more altruistic stance towards life you will be happier http://ggsc-web02.ist.berkeley.edu/images/uploads/Post-AltruismHappinessHealth.pdf and an article which references a study that if you are cynical you are more likely to have die, be unhealthy http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/compassion-matters/201212/is-cynicism-ruining-your-life
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/14 10:50 AM
1

i said men, and women with altruistic orientations are happier based on the research so if you care about happiness you should be more altruistic. if you don't, well ok. http://ggsc-web02.ist.berkeley.edu/images/uploads/Post-AltruismHappinessHealth.pdf similarly negative, cynical attitudes are associated with unhappiness, depression http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/compassion-matters/201212/is-cynicism-ruining-your-life in summation, i'm encouraging people to read what the latest science has …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/14 10:47 AM
-1

don't you think most people think they treat others well regardless of the reality? 90% of people think they are better than average drivers which is statistically impossible, it's human nature to overrate oneself.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/14 10:36 AM
-2

i can very much understand that people are driven in all sorts of directions by internal and external influences. i'm more curious as to seeing how people of various personalities defend their chosen identities. beyond that, a general question that interests me is what people are both happier and a positive/constructive member of society? thank you for informing me that you think someone that thinks differently than you on things that matter to you is off/naive. is this your typical solution to …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/14 10:34 AM
0

no, has that happened to you? i just find it seedy behavior for either gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/14 10:19 AM
-1

dating and spinning plates are different. in dating you date one girl, decide you don't like her, then date another, and so on.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/14 03:51 AM
0

three people are not reflective of most professionals.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/14 03:49 AM
0

you were honest and to the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/14 01:51 AM
1

it's not really my idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/14 01:50 AM
0

in most skilled positions, people look for specialists. your field is either very different or you are at a lower level.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/14 12:45 AM
0

so 30 people in your life for one year is as good as or better than one person in your life for 30? are 30 temporary careers better than one long meaningful one? where is the depth and complexity in a series of short term associations? "hey girl remember that sweet concert back in 2010, oh wait, i met you thursday"
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/14 12:43 AM
-2

i think challenging and/or helping is a more realistic accurate term.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/14 12:40 AM
1

what idea is that exactly?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/14 12:39 AM
-1

curiosity is my primary goal here. i'm not sure you can help someone by challenging their perspective. as a former cynic myself, this should concern you "A 2009 study of more than 97,000 women showed that optimistic women had lower rates of coronary heart disease, cancer-related deaths, and mortality. Conversely, women with the most pessimistic and cynical personalities, had higher rates of these diseases and death." http://circ.ahajournals.org/content/120/8/656.short http://www.psychologytoday.…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 11:41 PM
0

i guess i recommend only associating with people you want to seriously keep in your life in the long term. having a personal life filled with passing strangers makes you a stranger to yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 11:35 PM
0

well like many things, definitions vary. i would define altruism as investing in others without the expectation of immediate benefit in the hope that your investment actually helps that person, and thus the world/society since they are a part of that, and thus you are a part of that too.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 11:33 PM
0

many liars think everyone lies. many nice people think everyone is nice. this is projection. people are different. if you are more capable than others you will always have to assume a more nurturing role with others if you choose to associate with others that is, some people turn away from the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 11:29 PM
-1

empathy - the ability to understand and share the feelings of another. you seem to be forgetting the latter part.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 11:09 PM
-1

So if it becomes a problem, it can't be fixed because no one is qualified to touch it, so then we are doomed.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 11:06 PM
-4

thank you for your thoughtful intelligent answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 11:04 PM
-1

who is qualified to ascertain how many people should be on earth? only deities?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 11:02 PM
-2

well i think you will have more career success if you stick with that than if you spin career plates, but you can figure that out for yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 11:01 PM
1

define what you mean by violently evil, what is violently evil about favoring a world where people care about the welfare of everyone versus only looking out for their kin and not giving a fuck about anyone else?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 10:55 PM
1

so you are arguing that ethics come from one single place? i'd really like to see that data/evidence on that. where is it? well i personally think the evidence says altruism benefits individuals and society better than selfishness. but, if everyone starts reading up on the latest science and comes to a different conclusion, i would think that is great. would love to hear what their different conclusions are, articles they read, and determine, reexamine what i think after that.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 10:53 PM
-1

while at the end of the selfish gene dawkins discussed how memes may be able to influence human development in a similar way that genes do/have, so the idea that education has made for a better would would correspond with that theory. that's why i am big on people educating themselves and making decisions based on the newest peer reviewed information and not their primitive gene driven instincts (or political ideologies which reflect that) which don't care about individual human interests.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 10:42 PM
-1

how many people do you think the earth should have? are you aware what has happened to civilizations in the past when resource demand exceeded resource supply?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 10:38 PM
1

why do you need to become worthy of special treatment, need special treatment at all, if the goal is to reduce your need for external validation? empathetic towards other red pillers, their perceived in group, or empathetic towards everyone in the world?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 10:36 PM
0

why don't you explain how you don't live in society as i have no clue how removed from reality you are and your answer might provide me some insight on that.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 10:32 PM
-2

interesting, that's what i thought she was doing. and another cliche.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 10:27 PM
1

ethics come from different places depending on the person. i'm arguing that people should educate themselves on what professional scientists have learned and start making decisions based on that better pool of knowledge versus going with primitive instincts that say club strangers and rape their women.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 10:24 PM
-1

but we are growing less tribalistic, and with that, less violent, more cooperative with others, increasing the quality of life for everyone. why would one not want to continue that progress, accelerate it?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 10:21 PM
0

paint me a picture of these post-modern societies you dream of.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 10:20 PM
-1

so you think the most successful professionals in the modern world are generalists? you are basing this on what exactly? what do you do for a living?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 10:16 PM
1

what computer model was most successful in social survival in the book?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 10:12 PM
-2

one's career choice, like engineering, or programming, or carpentry is far more personal than that, more personal than the company or client your work for. i'm curious why you went for a more impersonal analogy than the one i proposed? if i switch careers more than once or twice i'll never have a chance of being really good at something. switching companies is much different, much less penalizing. why are romantic relationships more like where you work, then what you choose to do for work?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 10:10 PM
0

no modern society has laws like that unless you think iran is modern... most people don't, i don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 08:56 PM
0

are you commenting on a book you haven't read?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 08:53 PM
-1

so if i told a drunk they were drinking themself to death when it came up in relevant conversation, i would be an asshole? this is a debate/discussion subreddit, did you come here to be told you were right and healthy about everything you do?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 08:52 PM
0

is science a red herring to you? oh i thought you actually cared about your descendants. so this is about you even being more short sighted, selfish, i.e. who cares about anyone that isn't immediately beneficial to me in my present reality. do i understand you correctly now?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 08:49 PM
-1

i think calling any human that's not related to you a stranger is callous, and ignorant considering after x generations the descendants of that stranger child or as related to you as the descendants of your child. do you understand genetics?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 08:46 PM
0

do you have children? are we running short of them? you think everyone is the same that has a kid?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 08:37 PM
0

in group collectivism is not altruistic it's selfish.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 08:36 PM
0

what have you read on the topic of altruism that made you think it's evil? social responsibility towards strangers that are also part of society stems from your obligation towards society as a member of it. if you don't want to be a member of this society, fine, leave and you are free from social responsibility. you are a sacrificial animal to your preferences of your genes, a gene mule, and you don't even know it. have you even read the selfish gene by richard dawkins?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 08:34 PM
-2

you must hate living in modernity with disagreements solved with laws and debate.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 08:27 PM
-2

is the world running out of people or something?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 08:25 PM
1

do you understand genetics at all? how many generations before your descendents, who you think are so worthy of your sacrifice, are no more related to you than the strangers you seem to think are zeros? can you answer that question? after x generations your descendents and strangers are equally related/unrelated to you. your sense of kinship, in group loyalty only makes sense without a knowledge of science. if you want to begin to actually be a more aware, enlightened human being read the selfis…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 08:24 PM
-1

yes, i would think so. that's what she is. why use a less accurate term except to placate the delusions, hopes of the mistress that she is anything else so as not to risk not being able to continue to use her. if you don't have to lie to women to have sex with them, then don't. if you do, be honest with yourself and others about that.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 08:16 PM
-2

treating people like objects for personal amusement is not healthy http://outofthefog.net/CommonBehaviors/Objectification.html
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 08:12 PM
-1

read up on the research on altruism and you will find altruistic people live happier, less depressed lives than selfish, anti-social people.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 08:06 PM
-1

you understand that genocide is about in group bias and out group hatred, and yet you are defending that in my lack of in group bias and saying i'm the death camp type. how do your resolve that incongruity in your head? look up john stuart mill utilitarianism if you want to know what makes for a better world, and what has made for a better world as the those principles are more reflected in how the world operates than your primitive kinship bias.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 07:48 PM
-1

You have to do what's good for the world if you want a better world which maybe you don't want.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 07:13 PM
-2

Loving something only because they are your child isn't love it's narcissism. And if that's how you think and you have kids, i bet they end up on /r/raisedbynarcissists
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 07:11 PM
-1

If that was all the info I had, I would flip a coin. If I knew more about the strange kids parents, I might make a different decision.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 06:44 PM
-5

i said it's anti-social behavior, bad for society, to you or if not someone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 06:29 PM
-4

so you are saying every cliche is objectively true, no cliches are false or turn out to be false? if not, then my original point stands.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 06:28 PM
-2

well, whether i feel the same or don't i can't control, i can control how i choose to think, value, and then behave... then maybe in time my feeling will match a better version of myself. so, yes, the life of any child is pretty much the same to me in terms of how i behave, vote, think. partisanship, selfishness doesn't contribute to a civil happy world.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 06:26 PM
0

ok, here are some questions. how would you rate yourself on the following items on a very inaccurate 1234567 very accurate scale? I value serving others. I put other peoples wants before my wants. The feelings of others are more important than my feelings. I live to nurture others. I go out of my way for others.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 06:22 PM
-2

my bad, it was we_are_legion, sorry for my confusion. [–]We_Are_LegionRed Pill Man 2 points 3 hours ago actually trying it. EDIT: if its not obvious I should mention you don't call her a plate to her face. http://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/2invh6/what_is_plate_spinning/cl3sgvf
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 06:08 PM
-1

masochists want to be treated poorly and won't come back otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 05:57 PM
0

it's called social responsibility, it's what people without narcissitic and antisocial perosnality disorder issues all have.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 05:56 PM
1

does this sound familiar to you? Expects to be recognized as superior and special, without superior accomplishments Expects constant attention, admiration and positive reinforcement from others Envies others and believes others envy him/her Is preoccupied with thoughts and fantasies of great success, enormous attractiveness, power, intelligence Lacks the ability to empathize with the feelings or desires of others Is arrogant in attitudes and behavior Has expectations of special treatment that ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 05:55 PM
-1

just because a partner or plate is fine with my terrible behavior does not invalidate my terrible behavior, i'm still a terrible person.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 05:50 PM
2

you said that you shouldn't use that term with girls, be honest about why. it's a derogatory word and you couldn't use women as easily if you were entirely honest about yourself. most red pillers have to be deceptive to some degree.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 04:47 PM
-6

i think you are being a little too literal, the point is common beliefs are merely that, they are not truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 04:44 PM
-4

and how is that not anti-social personality thinking? the system you subscribe to make the odds of people close to you being used and abused more likely, why don't you get that?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 04:43 PM
-4

the roads you drive on, the parks you walk in, the hospitals you use, the food you eat, the sewer system you make use of, the technology you operate (i.e. the computer you are typing on), etc., are all extensions of society and each person is either a positive contributor to that system, and thus pro-social, or negative taker from that system, and thus anti-social.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 04:40 PM
-2

why is my argument unfair? any woman can be a plate including people close to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 04:36 PM
-2

but it's possible i could be totally honest with them and if they are messed up i could really be abusive, degrading with them and i assure you that you would not like that unless you are devoid of empathy.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 04:35 PM
-4

so you are anti social responsibility?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 04:31 PM
-3

there must be a reason you can't use that term with them and you tell other people not to. you are being dishonest right now.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 04:31 PM
-4

so it would bother you if your mother and sister were treated like that but not other women? how are they different biologically?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 04:29 PM
-7

the world is flat was a cliche at one point. cliches just reflect what's lots of people have thought over the course of history, which is different from what is actually true.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 04:28 PM
-1

with the family members or the redditer? if someone has empathy issues it is useful to try to get them to understand things from a more relate-able perspective.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 04:25 PM
-2

why, are they from a different species? are you from an alien race?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 04:23 PM
-1

what are your thoughts on this scenario... say your sister or mom was really into me. and i think they are trashy and would not want to be seen in public with them but i'm fine using them for sex on nights i can't find anything better. is there anything wrong with me for using them in such a disposable way?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 03:51 PM
-3

so you agree red pill is potentially bad for society with your logic? what is red pill if it's not a movement? is it a group? is it a philosophy?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 03:48 PM
-4

say your sister or mom is really into me. and i think they are trashy and would not want to be seen in public with them but i'm fine using them for sex on nights i can't find anything better. does that bother you? why does it bother you? is there anything wrong with me for using them in such a disposable way?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 03:46 PM
-4

how can you trust anyone if you operate in a deceptive fashion? you must assume everyone else operates like that? do you really believe everyone operates like that? did your parents operate like that? you made a good point on the meaning of manipulation, so i think the only issue i have is with deception. if you are a deceptive person, are you not essentially a liar? a con man? is that really how you want to be? do you think the world would be better if everyone was like that?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 03:43 PM
-4

are you fine with being deceptive, manipulative with others?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 03:22 PM
-4

if i used one of your own family members for my own amusement and they were totally into being my little toy slave, would that bother you? why?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 03:20 PM
-6

so you are saying you an emotionally use people without having sex with them? i.e. it's not just about sexually using people.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 03:18 PM
-3

sounds like you are describing yourself as someone with narcissistic and antisocial personality disorder issues? do you think you can be shameless and not care what others think and not have those issues? do you think a world where everyone is like that is a better world? explain that, if not, how are you not a toxic human being for society? and unless you don't reflect red pill, how is red pill not a toxic philosophy for society?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 03:16 PM
-6

how is spinning plates good for the plates, and thus society? is it good to treat human beings as one's personal entertainment? is a society where people are oriented towards selfishly using each other better than a society where we look out for one another, care about one another? explain your reasoning.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 03:13 PM
-4

what does being religious have anything to do with this?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 03:10 PM
-4

so you are saying you are educated. i'm anti gulag, pro social critique/shaming. people should be free to be whoever they want, and i and others should be free to comment on how they are being.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 03:07 PM
-4

well weasel is a synonym of shady, so i would say only the people i've known who were weasels behaved like that. yes, engaging in behavior which is bad for the community is socially unhealthy. men and women reject each other on a daily basis, in romance and in friendship. the only people that stay in the friendzone with hope of romance are unhealthy men and women, and the only people that stable people like that are unhealthy men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 03:05 PM
-1

why not? i thought one of the few redeeming qualities of red pill was being honest about what you are and what you are doing. are you advocating deception, manipulation personally or is this red pill doctrine?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 03:00 PM
-1

what's the evidence that quality women will agree to be plates?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 02:48 PM
-5

don't put all the cliches in your brain.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 02:42 PM
-2

i've only known shady men and women that act like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 02:41 PM
-3

ok, then i would like to discuss human behavior and what behavior is more or less healthy, pro-social - good for a better functioning world, and anti-social - causes a less functional world. now, where does plate spinning fall into this spectrum?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 02:37 PM
1

it's a thing. it's just a a manifestation of distorted thinking/perception from depressed narcissists, antisocial types, and thus attractive to other depressed narcissists, antisocial types. does it concern you that a lack of emotion is a major symptom of serious mental and physical health problems? or do you not believe what you just read because of your narcissitic reality distortion field?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 02:27 PM
1

http://symptomchecker.webmd.com/multiple-symptoms?symptoms=apathy|depressed-mood|lack-of-emotion|lack-of-motivation&symptomids=506|70|423|424&locations=2|2|2|2
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 02:08 PM
1

is it red pill to date girls who are dating, having sex with multiple other guys?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 02:07 PM
1

is it red pill to date girls who are dating, having sex with multiple other guys?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 02:07 PM
1

is it red pill to date girls who are dating, having sex with multiple other guys? do red pill types spin multiple careers? multiple fitness regimes? multiple friend groups? multiple hobbies? is it really bad to focus on one thing in any area of your life?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 02:06 PM
1

do you have animosity toward feeling/emotion? what valuation do you place on feeling/emotion?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 01:37 PM
1

Spinning plates or my ignorance at not knowing the ideal number of plates I should be spinning?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 01:34 PM
1

you are confronting disturbing human psychological images. but you need to realize these are not representative for what most people are like. you should feel sorry for redpillers, they are deranged victims of narcissistic and antisocial personality, most probably have abuse histories. they seek to have everyone share their distorted world view because they need to be validated. any depressed person unsure of reality can be sucked into the 'certainty' redpill offers. your issue is depression. yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 01:32 PM
1

or maybe you could address why it may appear that way but isn't that way instead of refusing to entertain the possibility because it conflicts with your desired world view... of being a desirable person (which is narcissistic). do you know anything about narcissistic personality disorder or antisocial personality disorder? when did you first become aware and educated about them? i'm a personality researcher.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/14 01:15 PM
1

ok, if you know a lot about psychology, do you think there are narcissistic personality disorder and antisocial personality disorder themes in red pill thinking?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/14 11:17 PM
1

there is a link between sexism and racism, so to the degree TRP is sexist, it likely attracts racists.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/14 07:11 PM
1

so what's the data you use to claim women are less trustworthy? do you think women are as sex driven as men?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/14 07:09 PM
1

sexism and racism tend to be linked http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/00223980.1993.9915565#.VDQyQRYhMWI
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/14 06:35 PM
1

well i was using the most female centric white collar crime i could find. you have a better idea of a more fair crime stat to use?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/14 06:32 PM
1

that's a very compelling argument you've laid out.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/14 05:24 PM
0

i said men were more anti-social, i didn't say they were inherently worse overall than women. both genders have pros and cons. are you really missing that entirely? why are you comfortable discussing gender but not race?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/14 05:22 PM
1

welcome to progress, modernity - http://www.alternet.org/belief/humanity-becoming-increasingly-less-violent-one-exception-religious-violence - as religion declines things will become even more civil.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/14 05:15 PM
1

please elaborate on how you can be untrustworthy at the core of your being and not be a selfish person? superficial untrustworthy acts, i.e. breaking the law for a greater good, is not ultimately untrustworthy. shoplifting is not remotely like any of the stealing you mentioned, it's about personal gain, selfishness. people that behave like that are anti-social. tell me how feminism controls or has controlled you?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/14 02:30 PM
1

so if you broke your leg or had cancer would you go to your friends for help? if you needed a new electrical panel, would you have your friends do it? therapists are specialists, it's unlikely your friends are remotely as knowledgeable about human psychology.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/14 02:23 PM
0

what would count as non cherry picked stats? i'm not going to bother posting another study if that is your response to all scientific evidence. i work in IT. IT is one of the biggest remote employers. it's definitely one of the best industries for people with anti-social issues. even if you have to work with people it is assumed that IT people are awkward/aspergy so there is no expectation that you act like a normal human being. so let me get this straight because abuse causes stockholm syndrome…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/14 02:18 PM
1

my example was about actual criminal offenses not punishment. i entirely agree it's unfair for someone to get a different sentence based on race, gender, wealth, etc. but that is a separate issue. are you upset that white men get lighter sentences than black men? how much time do you spend complaining about that? why the discrepancy in your concern for that injustice? since you've shared your views on gender, would you like to share your views on race?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/14 02:06 PM
1

men can also just get stuff from a woman in this day an age. how many red pillers are dependent on their parents and hiding it (it's very common in this tough economy)? parasitic behavior is not about gender it's about depression and anti-social tendencies. as long as you make enough to get by liking your career is more important than money based on the research. different preferences, aptitudes is the reason not a desire to never have a job.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/14 02:01 PM
1

define civilization. did tribes, packs engage in civil behavior at least towards each other? global civilization is a result or humans becoming more trustworthy towards everyone as we've learned from the negative effects of anti social behavior, i.e. war, genocide, etc..
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/14 01:54 PM
0

hey it's possible to become self aware without a therapist if you are really able to question yourself and/or maybe have amazingly insightful, challenging friends. do you have a problem/issue with seeing a therapist? narcissists, for instance, hate therapy and redpill is a magnet for people with narcissistic personality disorder so you can understand my skepticism at a redpiller being anti-therapy.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/14 11:19 PM
-1

it makes sense that an oppressed racial group would commit more crime, they have limited options. crime because a viable option when you are more shut out of mainstream society, have less legit options. so you are saying women are less likely to be prosecuted for shoplifting. ok, where is the evidence of that?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/14 11:13 PM
0

yeah, the genders are different. women tend to be more genuinely accommodating, trustworthy. social work requires that you enjoy helping others. beyond logic, computer programming requires more working alone, which antisocial types are more drawn to. the perjury i spoke of was abused women or abused children lieing for their abuser, against the truth and their own self interest. denying they had been abused. are you familiar with stockholm syndrome?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/14 11:07 PM
0

because they like liberal arts and maybe don't care so much about getting a high paying stem job. why do so many men go into liberal arts?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/14 11:02 PM
0

who is going to counter, challenge your self delusions, misperceptions?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/14 11:01 PM
-1

why are women in the workforce more than ever today if they would prefer to get stuff from a man?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/14 06:17 PM
-1

hey, feel free to make a reasoned compelling argument with evidence in defense of what you think is true. this is how ideas, truths are debated.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/14 04:49 PM
0

first of all, humans are more trustworthy than untrustworthy otherwise society/civilization wouldn't work at all. in fact selfish people only can only exist if there is enough overly considerate people in an unhealthy way to tolerate them. among the humans that are untrustworthy, men are more common than women based on any data i've seen. if you have data that shows another story, i'd like to see it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/14 04:48 PM
-1

child abuse victims tend to recant under oath too, it is in the nature of children and women to be more accommodating (than men on average) in healthy and, in this case, unhealthy ways - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_sexual_abuse_accommodation_syndrome what percentage of men are social workers? why do you think that is? what percentage of men are computer scientists? why do you think that is?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/14 04:43 PM
-4

why do men commit more crime than women if they are more honorable, trustworthy?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/14 05:51 AM
-5

it changes your delusions, projections, and confirmation biases vs. surrounding yourself with a group that mirrors your delusions, projections, and confirmation biases
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/14 02:56 AM
-5

unless you possess 9 or 10 level physical beauty, forget about getting a mentally healthy 9 or 10 female... your only shot is some damaged 9 or 10 that no mentally healthy person wants anything to do with but you will tolerate because you are desperate. make yourself a 9 or 10 physically or stop expecting that.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/14 01:04 AM
-4

are women less trustworthy than men? if so, where is your evidence?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/14 01:00 AM
-7

why red pillers think women are more trustworthy than men when the data paints the opposite picture? and why they might have that misperception (projection, confirmation bias)?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/14 11:52 PM
-6

i think everyone could benefit from therapy, but some people really need it if they ever want a remote chance at a healthy life.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/14 11:50 PM
-5

redpillers think women are inherently untrustworthy. untrustworthy people only care about themselves. the shoplifting stats indicate that men engage in more selfish, antisocial behavior even in the arena of shopping which is a more female dominated area. thus, men are more untrustworthy on average, and redpillers are projecting their untrustworthiness onto women. the point, if you were sex obsessed and disloyal, untrustworthy, you would be more likely to think other people are like that and find…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/14 11:49 PM
-7

there are some people that like to whip themselves with barb wire, so what.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/14 11:43 PM
-2

everyone would benefit from therapy and self examination, but the more dysfunctional you are (which is often no fault of the person), the more critical it is. normal people are not paranoid and unempathetic.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/14 11:41 PM
-4

blue pill is satire, do you get that? so you think therapy is bad, why?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/14 11:38 PM
1

which pill is more critical of men?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/14 06:13 AM
1

i'd like to hear a similarly concise paragraph on what a healthy rp lifestyle is.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/14 06:09 AM
1

if you know so much about rp, sum it up as concisely as possible. seems like rp types like to say people don't get rp and can't seem to concisely explain what they think rp exactly is. if you care about social value, mate value, you need to actually care about society, others. if you care more about yourself you will always have lower social value than anyone that actually genuinely cares about society, others and only a selfish girl will tolerate you. hope you like selfish girls. if nothing els…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/14 04:28 AM
1

Reprogrammed or evolved? In that okcupid data women don't want men much older than them, even though men are still most attracted to 20yr olds.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/14 12:54 AM
1

do you think people that don't lock their houses deserve to be robbed? is the problem of houses being burglarized more about people having bad or no security or a culture that contains, produces too many burglars, something wrong about people that are willing to burglarize? yes, home security has value, but if the world is to improve we need to figure out why people burglarize and how to change that through social reform, rehabilitation, and/or incarceration. why does red pill spend so much time…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/14 02:51 PM
1

actually that's the life you want. that kind of life has never existed in reality and never will. i would challenge you to examine your fear of others issues that lies at the root of this political preference. nazi germany is an example of individual fascism as hitler ignored what most people wanted (suspending democracy) deferring more to his own individual insanity. yes, in a society of just individualists, hitler would not have gotten far, but a society of individualists doesn't work... it's …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/14 11:55 AM
1

what if the person has a personality disorder that compels them to not one to do anything others want? what if they are sadistic and love the idea of society suffering? what if they are mentally incompetent? why do you choose the suffering/inconvenience of society over the suffering/inconvenience of one individual? how does that result in a better world/society? you understand that your preference is basically individual fascism? why is that better than social/utilitarian fascism? you understand…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/14 10:29 AM
1

so if a public works project would benefit society but an individual property owner is too selfish or ignorant to sell their property, everyone else should suffer? fortunately, no country i know of operates like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/14 09:40 PM
1

it's not uncommon for a houses/property to get taken for public works projects. i think it's a nice real world example for you to reconcile, clarify your views with. if you can't answer that, at least answer whether you think the government should be able to displace people for public works projects.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/14 09:13 PM
1

the selfish gene is more specific, central to the thesis of gene evolution and it's effect on human behavior than any of those works. by your logic, if i someone robbed you, no one should care because it has such a small impact in the larger world. in any case, if the red pill were widely adopted, how would it benefit or hurt society? total authoritarianism is not ideal, but there is a level of authority in any governing system. how do you think government works without sometimes relegating one'…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/14 07:40 PM
1

looking up research on this, i ran across this interesting theory... http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23985270 which seems to suggest the most important thing for quality of life is affordability and low environmental (weather/climate) stress. if that's true, the question is what political models best meet that requirement and what regions of the world have the best climates in the future?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/14 02:28 PM
1

well, if genuine, that's considerate, humane behavior. what if the person was never abused but just was born with an orientation where they desire to be abused and use their abuser as their backbone/spine because they don't want to be a healthy independent person? do you think of men and women as parts of a whole? or as individual units that should be able to function happily and independent alone or when they are alone?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/14 12:36 PM
1

have you read any books on evolutionary biology? how is it possible for things that effect parts of a system/whole to not effect (in terms of cost or benefit) the system/whole? please explain that logic. do you not understand interconnectedness? if red pill is neutral or anti altruism it's anti-social, or at least not pro social (if it's merely neutral). society is always bigger than the individual, more meaningful, we are social animals. to ignore, deny this, is ignorance at best, narcissistic …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/14 12:31 PM
1

if someone is in to kinky dom/sub style sex because they were abused does that concern you? how would you know if that were true? would you care?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/14 10:49 PM
1

i'm just examining why you believe xyz. unhealthy people tend to have more kids than healthy people, so even if their problems are their fault it still hurts society and their kids so it's not like you can pretend every little cell of the system doesn't have some effect and thus merits some consideration.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/14 10:47 PM
0

should that worry me?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/14 09:14 PM
1

have you read the selfish gene by richard dawkins? how do you figure that the behavior of individuals in society don't have some cost and/or benefit to society? my argument was that red pill values cost society more than they benefit and is thus are toxic to society. if the individual is more important than society, why do you live in society? why not move to the hinterland and live an awesome individual existence?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/14 09:13 PM
1

is it important to you that people envy you? do you have a problem with an egalitarian culture where you are not better than anyone else? what do you think of people better than you? worse than you? is there one core value that matters more to you than anything else?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/14 09:09 PM
1

ideas i like, ideas with potentially harmful consequences without evidence are dangerous to society. so no, i'm not a fan of unsubstantiated toxic ideas. if this was about astrology i wouldn't bother with your lack of evidence but this is about enabling sociopathic behavior and so i'll expose your harmful fallacious borrowed ideas.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/14 07:39 PM
1

that makes it unsustainable in mainstream society, and thus can only at best be a workable but toxic philosophy for a small marginal group of people/sociopaths. again, how can a system which doesn't benefit society thrive in the long run or benefit society in the long run? are you too narrow minded to see that and/or too selfish to care about society?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/14 07:36 PM
1

has it ever occurred to you that you should pursue interests you care about in life and select friends and a romantic partner that are compatible to those deep internal interests versus focusing on getting a partner before you've ever developed your internal compass. i really don't care about blue pill. the idea that if you are not red pill, you are blue pill is black and white thinking, as if there are only two ways to be. how is that possible? i don't believe in marriage or red pill. your whol…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/14 07:34 PM
1

according to recent research separation, withdrawal from a loved one can kill you - http://www.yourtango.com/2012128420/heartbreak-real-says-new-research if what you say is true why isn't red pill tagged as an independence strategy? it's called a sexual strategy? how can the system be about aloofness to it's goal? why should sex be brought up any more than any other external pleasure if red pill was actually about real stoicism (which was invented a few thousand years ago) as opposed to faking s…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/14 07:13 PM
1

what's more important society flouring or any one individual flourishing? are you saying the red pill has no preference for either on this question?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/14 06:55 PM
1

"why does anyone use cliches?" because they are intellectually lazy an lack curiosity to find their own individual truths in what is a complex world. what does it say about redpill that the subreddits have to ban anyone that isn't an adherent? isn't that a bit north korean-ish? why are red pillers so concerned with shame tactics if they don't care about validation? is calling someone a slut loving or hateful? go read red pill subreddits and call out all the people who are hateful... if you have …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/14 06:15 PM
1

which ones?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/14 06:06 PM
2

ah, more negativity, figures.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/14 06:05 PM
1

sex drive is not the same thing as sex need. you understand how sex need can make someone more likely to need to control a sexual partner, not unlike an addict must control their drug supply. you have to have food and water and oxygen, an individual does not need sex. society does yes, but not the individual. are you really incapable of being as happy without sex? doesn't that make you a slave to your sex drive? why do you care so much about social failure? ie social esteem/validation? do you la…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/14 06:03 PM
1

so show me an empirical study otherwise you have no evidence for your assertions. you understand the importance of empiricism because human nature is such that we lie to ourselves, and empiricism helps us to get past self delusion. what program do you run now? why is it better than the old one? what is your scientific evidence that it's a better program? deprogramming is great if you replace the old program with one that's better.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/14 05:57 PM
2

innovation takes the pillaging aspect out of prosperity to some degree and possibly to an every increasing degree. how will asian countries become super powers unless they become more innovative? right now the west has an innovation advantage, why would that change? culturally asia is more conforming which is antagonistic to innovative thinking.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/14 05:09 PM
1

do you subscribe to red pill beliefs?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/14 05:05 PM
2

could you be as happy without sex as with sex? if not, how are you not an addict to some degree? how is red pill not a cult? why do redpill subreddits ban people who disagree? why do you see red pillers frequently advocate hiding your red pill beliefs to the general public?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/14 05:04 PM
1

i agree, if the absence of sex or drug use does not depress you, upset you, i.e you are just as happy without sex and drugs as you are with them then it's merely an external stimulation preference. but the bitterness towards exes, women, on red pill boards suggests it rises to the level of addiction for many. do you disagree? have you not seen a consistent pattern of "if women did not have vaginas (the drug they are so fixated on) they would be worthless" on red pill boards? do you think the who…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/14 05:00 PM
2

"Why do you think rich people suffer from depression?" because money, like sex, or esteem, is an external reward and can't fix someone who is internally depressed/broken due to bad behavioral patterns like chasing external rewards (like sex, money, power) instead of behaviors which are proven to yield happiness... openmindedness/experimentation planning altruism positivity tell us about your great life? and define what you mean by great. why are you so intent on believing that you can have a neg…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/14 04:29 PM
1

so the way out is to control women?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/14 04:21 PM
0

the question is, is being a drug addict healthy? if it's not, why is being a sex addict different? as i mentioned to someone else here, have you seen the film nymphomaniac by lars von trier?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/14 04:20 PM
0

how do you confirm it yourself? are you familiar with confirmation bias, your brain is wired to trick you into confirming what you want to believe. no, a new system doesn't have to be considered wrong because it's a departure, nor should it be considered right because it's a departure. isn't it self centered and childish to only want things to work out exactly they way you want? wouldn't it be better to want things to work however they work best (to which i've posited that experimenting, plannin…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/14 04:17 PM
0

"Even in the most healthy societies the average person is in worse physical and mental shape than what a savage would be." go be a savage in alaska, there are still open enough areas that you could do that in (and there are probably a few temperate areas you could do that in too). what's stopping you from choosing that 'healthier' option/life? how would immortality, figuring out a way to avoid physical aging/deterioration alter you world view?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/14 03:28 PM
0

so what do you think sex without any sense of attachment reflects in the neurological and emotional makeup of those that fit that profile? what is the difference between sex without feeling any attachment to that particular person and taking a drug?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/14 03:24 PM
1

planning ability (conscientiousness) and positivity (emotional stability) here's a large 45 year study on the topic http://www.massgeneral.org/psychiatry/assets/published_papers/Soldz-1999.pdf i would also add altruism (http://www.twodaymag.com/live/view/the-power-of-altruism) and openmindedness/curiousity/experimentation (http://experiencelife.com/article/the-power-of-curiosity/) to that list. the red pill satisfies 1 out of those four and that's the only reason it has any sustainability, posit…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/14 03:10 PM
1

why are only around 5% of social workers men if men are so selfless, nurturing? why do you think it's ok to tell some one to go fuck themself in a debate versus just focusing on trying to decipher what is true? are you more interested in me validating your position, or validating your own position, than be open to what actually is true? do you believe you are 100% accurate in your current beliefs? if not 100%, give me a percentage? what about women who are abducted into sex trades? are they not …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/14 03:03 PM
1

That mood boost caused by the drugs is a result of neurochemical alteration, stimulation. Now healthy people have that positive neurochemistry normally without the use of stimulants. They don't see cruelty, negativity, struggle, randomness, their minds see/perceive meaning in the world, patterns, positive options. Depressed people however do not, they can only experience that with drugs, exercise... or in the long run altering who they are (via drugs and/or exercise) until they are physiological…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/14 02:34 PM
0

that position, statement correlates highly to antisocial personality and narcissistic personality which correlates poorly to life happiness. that's the issue of pathological personality traits. most people do what they think will make them happy, but pathological personality traits are traits that people think will make them happy but don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/14 02:28 PM
0

so you only care about basic material items? you don't care about wealth, status, power?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/14 02:10 PM
-1

maybe you could elaborate on this "I can poke fun at pampered academics while still being in supportive of wealth and education as goals. Just like feminists poke fun at hetero cis white male privilege while working towards getting more privilege for themselves." why exactly do you value wealth and education as goals? is it just for social privilege? i.e., if having a face tattoo gave you high social status, would you get a face tattoo? or do you value wealth and education for reason that go bey…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/14 02:07 PM
1

According to people who devote their lives to researching these questions in a non partisan, non anecdotal, scientific fashion happiness is linked to emotional stability. "Neuroticism (emotional stability) in late midlife was the best correlate of life course functioning across a variety of domains." http://www.massgeneral.org/psychiatry/assets/published_papers/Soldz-1999.pdf if you don't care what others think how can you call yourself open minded? or are you championing narrowmindedness? have …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/14 02:00 PM
1

honestly if you, an adherent, can't sum up the core philosophy of redpill succinctly, what does that say? is red pill more complicated than the theory of relativity which can be summed up in an equation? do you think drug addiction is real? do you think sex addiction is real? cult is short for culture, is it a culture, or better yet is it an order? a system? although, it's the intolerance to criticism that makes cult seem valid. until they stop banning non red pillers from red pill subreddits it…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/14 01:53 PM
-1

i'm a personality researcher.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/14 01:40 PM
1

this is merely about intelligent debate, i'm not interested in you personally other than as someone who is drinking a different kind of koolaid than a conventional delusional and examining that.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/14 01:40 PM
0

are individual strategies inherently sociopathic, unaltruistic? and thus on a grand scale corrosive to society/culture?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/14 01:37 PM
2

practical experience should be reflected in the observable scientific data, show me that data. healthy people can be assertive, depressed people are aggressive. aggression is about need, need is about lacking, lacking is about emptiness, depression. your argument about these guys need to be jerks to save themself is ridiculous because being jerks means hurting other people and you don't improve yourself by hurting other people. if most red pillers are not jerks why is their so much vitriol on th…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/14 01:33 PM
0

anecdotal evidence suffers from confirmation bias, read about it. you think you would be typing on your computer if engineers, scientists, human culture operated via anecdotal evidence. have some respect for what actually works not your need for validation. are you not headed for a slow collision with reality as you get older? you piss off a narcissist by failing to validate them as your wife failed to validate you. that's why red pill bans anyone that is not drinking their koolaid, they can't h…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/14 01:08 PM
-2

I don't think you understand only sociopaths have light hearted sexual relationships. Only very mentally/emotionally off people experience other people in a similar way they experience inanimate items that might give them pleasure, i.e. they don't distinguish inanimate and animate things... everything is just a lifeless object. It's not normal to have sex with someone without a feeling of attachment it suggests deep emotional attachment issues, antisocial personality, and likely a trauma backgro…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/14 12:55 PM
0

based on what evidence? by the logic you present are what red pillers say the value not actually what they value? is what you say you value not actually what you value?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/14 12:51 PM
1

or is it about a need to follow a narcissistically validating external system because you are an ocd histrionic that can't think for yourself (handle complexity), can't be original. why do you think red pillers are always using cliches (unoriginal), need to be adored (histrionic/narcissistic), follow a specific system (ocd), hate on others (antisocial), and don't value happiness (depression) if they don't have all those issues?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/14 12:49 PM
1

what do you think when you hear red pillers go on about sluts? do you find it embarassing? why is that tone the norm on the red pill subreddit? why is red pill obsessed with being shamed/derided while at the same shaming/deriding women, non red pillers? are shame tactics only bad when they are directed at red pillers?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/14 04:25 AM
0

what's the core philosophy of red pill in as few words as possible? you think enlightened people are sex focused? what do you think the term enlightenment means?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/14 04:19 AM
1

i'm referring to happiness in terms of physiological and mental health, i.e. the opposite of depression. doesn't a truly enlightened person rise above genetically hardwired reward mechanisms? you think a sex focused system like red pill fits that bill?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/14 04:15 AM
1

why don't you think red pill is just a different delusion? what are the odds mainstream reality is 0% wrong and red pill 100% right? what if the reality is that a certain percentage of the population is depressed, a certain percentage desire order/structure, a certain percentage are selfish, a certain percentage need to be adored. people with all four of these issues are attracted to the red pill thinking because it affirms these four biases, instructs them to find women that appreciate those tr…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/14 04:13 AM
2

so you are pro poverty and anti ivory towers (intellectual cultivation)?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/14 04:04 AM
0

do you have any evidence that selfishness can produce happiness? you know narcissists have a need to be adored, so all this talk of women feeling best when they are with an amazing man fits with a narcissistic delusion... where narcissistic types are drawn to a red pill system which tells them they are, can be awesome and their woman should validate that. what exactly makes someone amazing? what will your value be as you age and your testosterone wanes? will you still be amazing? what will you h…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/14 04:02 AM
-1

have you ever done a stimulant, even caffeine, and had your mood brighten?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/14 03:55 AM
-1

do you think a non depressed person would tolerate being a plate? do you think a non callous person would plate people?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/14 03:54 AM
2

while no societies are growing faster than those in africa, are you saying they are the most successful culture? i can't imagine numbers alone is what matters.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/14 03:53 AM
-1

well i thought the issue was to avoid saying something negative about blue or red pill? is the issue that you can make no claim whatsoever in a title even if it's not negative towards red or blue pill? like i can't say MORE APPLES WERE GROWN THIS YEAR THEN EVER... HOW WILL THIS EFFECT THE RED PILL PHILOSOPHY?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/14 10:20 PM
0

you think you can have a negative world view and not be a depressive? you think there are not depressive philosophers? depression is serious, i agree. i think the red pill is an unhealthy magnet for angry depressed sociopaths and i don't think pretending otherwise does them or society any good. why is it alright to call most girls sluts (as you will liberally see without censor on rp subs) but calling angry negative men depressed when they clearly are is insensitive? doesn't that seem a bit like…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/14 10:10 PM
0

talking IN ALL CAPS and suggesting a desire to shoot people and throw them in ditches could be construed as anger, resentment, mental imbalance... serious unhappiness, i.e. depression.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/14 10:02 PM
-2

altruism isn't really self sacrifice, it's helping others, which improves society, which benefits the helper because they are a member of society you think you can make a healthy person love you? only a depressed person is susceptible to stockholm syndrome. do you prefer depressed types?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/14 09:59 PM
-2

correction the article was about that and it contained links to studies
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/14 09:56 PM
3

not if your ideals are about balance and moderation and nuance, and openness to an evolutionary model of change/improvement. red pillers come off as extremists and black and white thinkers with their nawalt and alwalt ridiculousness.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/14 09:12 PM
0

so you have those symptoms but you don't think they are linked to depression? A series of psychoanalytic theorists and clinicians have suggested that conflicts about anger play a central role in the development of depression. Research data have supported the notion that patients struggle with the experience and expression of angry feelings. Anger in people with depression often stems from narcissistic vulnerability, a sensitivity to perceived or actual loss or rejection. These angry reactions ca…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/14 09:06 PM
4

would countries, society be better if they were more trp? entirely trp? how would they operate/function? paint me a picture.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/14 08:59 PM
-2

who is we, are you not an individual?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/14 08:58 PM
-3

how is the new title not neutral? the study was about how altruistic people are happy, i asked the question how does this align to trp philosophy? didn't say it aligned well or poorly... it neutrally asked how does it align?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/14 08:56 PM
3

so beta society is best?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/14 08:05 PM
2

so your biological blueprint trumps your free will? are you merely a genetic robot?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/14 08:03 PM
0

how can there be alphas if everyone is equal?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/14 08:01 PM
2

have you read the research that people with kids are less happy than people without? do you not care about your individual happiness? that's pretty selfless of you.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/14 08:01 PM
-1

if everyone is equal, who can be alpha?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/14 07:59 PM
4

so RP is toxic to society? what percent of RP believes that?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/14 07:59 PM
-2

it matters because having a thought out nuanced intellectual understanding of this or any situation beats a primitive emotional one or one borrowed from some system you adopted from an online blog.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/14 07:56 PM
3

how is a society with extreme wealth inequality beta? would an alpha society have more equal wealth distribution?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/14 07:54 PM
0

so you are not a depressed person? how often do you experience feelings of anger? resentment? hostility towards others?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/14 07:51 PM
5

wealth inequality is far worse than thirty years ago? doesn't that make modernity more red pill?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/14 07:50 PM
3

so you are advocating a mix blue pill, red pill post war society? what was red pill about that society other than less working mothers than currently? the wealth inequality was far smaller than it is currently, modern society is more red pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/14 07:49 PM
2

so you think it's good to be materialistic, hypergamous? explain the connection between extreme wealth disparity and economic recessions/crashes?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/14 07:46 PM
-4

oh so you think egotistic people are fixed entities that can't change who they are? are you egotistic? how do you think anyone does anything without effort? effort is a part of a healthy adult life.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/14 07:41 PM
1

how do you know how women think? are you one? are you an academic that researches the topic? aren't you just a lazy ocd person who needs an order/system to feel secure, and you are too unoriginal to come up with your own so you borrowed a regressive comic book one that best matches you inherent selfishness, mistrust, and childish need for superiority?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/14 07:37 PM
2

you don't operate on that level? maybe you should read the selfish gene by richard dawkins and become more aware of why you think/behave the way you do... then maybe you can decide whether it makes sense to continue living as a mind controlled gene slave.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/14 07:31 PM
3

'truth sucks' sounds like the negative view of a depressed person. neo had transition stress, apocalyptic wasteland stress, and people are chasing me and shooting at me stress. the earth is not a comparable apocalyptic wasteland as yet. i also think redpillers are operating under an exaggerated scripted version of primitive male behavior that's not longer relevant to modernity... it's as if the don't understand that the evolve part of evolutionary stands for change, not regression.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/14 07:30 PM
1

Is the red pill an altruistic philosophy? Does it promote altruistic behavior?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/14 06:19 PM
1

so you wish you lived in a society where you could have more authoritarian control over your daughter? show me the stats that women that cook better get cheated on less? if you can't show me the stats how are your views not based on personal emotional, irrational sentiments, or what redpillers call hamstering? could you point me to the model male authoritarian society/country that reflects the validity/advantages of red pill philosophy? it seems all the countries were women have less rights are …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/14 06:10 PM
-1

well if more red pillers shared that answer there would be 20% censorial sentiment directed towards irresponsible/naive women, and 100% censorial sentiment directed towards sociopathic men... yet it's a lot of dark triad fans and sociopaths reinforcing each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/14 06:03 PM
-2

because it's a group that devotedly follows an external system. it's a hate group/cult because it's divisive, negative, hateful, anti-altruism (and thus a magnet for depressed/angry/selfish types).
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/14 05:57 PM
-1

i feel the same way about illiteracy programs.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/14 05:46 PM
2

if you were going to blame the victim and the perpetrator, how would you dole out the blame percentage between the victim and the perpetrator, 50/50, 20/80, 60/40?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/14 05:44 PM
1

challenging hate groups is different from banning hate groups. allowing the kkk to exist is one thing, respecting it's existence... not questioning the sanity, humanity of it's adherents is complacency. you think redpill types are not more likely to engage in antisocial behavior when the dark triad is celebrated by it's adherents?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/14 05:21 PM
12

dark triad dude
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/14 05:10 PM
2

so disagreeing with red pill philosophy is like taking drugs, dropping out of school, or choosing a life of crime? and if your daughter goes astray you can take internal comfort that you were right and she just didn't listen? does it seem like you are more concerned with being right or the welfare of your daughter? are you aware women who are more promiscuous generally suffer from depression and narcissism and that most women don't have both of those issues? and consequently most women are not p…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/14 05:08 PM
2

so you care a lot about mankind, the future of the human race? that's what drives you? what's the end goal of the human race?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/14 02:47 PM
0

i'm less clear on what blue pill is other than as a satire of red pill. so it could be similarly unhappy people as redpillers without the dogma being abusive.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/14 02:26 PM
2

why do you care about having children? when you are dead, your existence can no longer matter to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/14 02:23 PM
4

what if she doesn't? what if she thinks you are an idiot for believing what you believe? i'm being serious with this scenario. how would you handle that situation/reality, having a daughter that does not validate your beliefs?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/14 02:20 PM
3

if money were so important to women, women would all be with older men with money... yet the vast majority are not so based on actual observed behavior it's not a very big issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/14 02:18 PM
1

You don't have your own opinions/beliefs/views on those questions?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/14 11:11 PM
2

That's a good question. I think physical health would be one variable, psychological health another. If a couple had kids, the physical health and psychological health of their children as well. Do you agree there is a lot of anger on RP subreddits? Angry people are not mentally healthy, Anger is a function of over active limbic systems and emotional dysregulation. Doing a search on anger and abuse on google scholar seems to return a lot of concerning things - http://scholar.google.com/scholar?h…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/14 11:10 PM
1

i don't think it's a good comparison personally. companies are more like mini society's with far more variables and usually people of unequal overall value which justifies the need for hierarchy. i think the comparison just serves more to justify the desire some have for hierarchy in a romantic relationship, possibly because they feel so not in control individually and/or in the world. also, everything you talk about individuals handle on their own when they are single or a single parent. why tw…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/14 11:05 PM
1

What I am taking issue with is the judgement that captain/first officer is abusive and based in emotional dysfunction. it's not abusive dysfunctional in the case of actual captains and first officers in the world/business, but yeah when you try to make your romantic relationship resemble that structure, it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/14 10:35 PM
2

a romantic relationship is not a company, it's two people, a dyad. why are you applying business models to romantic relationships? what basis do you have to think that's a valid guide?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/14 10:32 PM
1

this is my thread in a debate themed subforum, if you are not going to actually explain/debate your views, comments, you shouldn't have posted here.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/14 10:03 PM
1

you won't share your specific background, ok. do you think your childhood background, family dynamics had a significant effect over who you are? is this something you have spent time thinking about? do you even know why you think what you think?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/14 09:49 PM
1

so what part of who we are is societal conditioning and what part is genetic instinct and what part is free will? what part of you is social conditioning, genetic instinct, free will?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/14 09:46 PM
1

do you think paranoia is normal/healthy? especially, as you are basically anonymous (unless you think i'm the nsa).
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/14 09:41 PM
2

so romantic relationships should be like corporations? people are not equal in ability, and that is reflected in the social order, understandable. but, unless you think men and women are not equal, men and women should seek our their equal matches (smart men and smart women, average men and average women, etc.). in fact, i'm sure rp men likely end up with their equals, damaged women who pretend to be as dumb/docile as they pretend to be smart/in-control... they are both playing each other (consc…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/14 09:39 PM
1

so why are you on this debate forum? stick to safe walled confines of the redpill forum if you don't want to engage in discussion with people who don't think the same as you.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/14 09:21 PM
1

hmmm, would a feral state change the fact that women have 55% of the upper body strength and 66% of the lower body strength of men (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8477683) and far lower testosterone levels? and it doesn't take physical strength to kill people if you use a poison. between 1980 and 2006 of all reported murders by poisoning, men were the culprits 60% of the time (http://articles.latimes.com/2013/sep/01/opinion/la-oe-blum-poison-20130901). so, even when it comes to non-physical …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/14 09:17 PM
1

this is you being defensive, mistrusting. one's childhood experience is incredibly relevant to how one sees the world. how can you engage in a debate about your views if you are not open as to why you believe xyz?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/14 09:05 PM
0

the advantages of modern civil society is that different people can have debates, coexist, instead of exterminating each other. why did polygamy used to be more common, why are rp/rpw types attached to this notion of the captain/first mate relationship model, etc..? for me this is intellectual curiosity. this is a debate forum, not a validation forum. if you don't want to have your views deconstructed, examined, if you are not interested in talking about, exploring, why you think what you think,…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/14 08:29 PM
0

you keep talking about marital leadership. if one party is a leader, the other is a follower, right? how are followers equals? i'm also more interested in how you think the model you buy into is healthier? did your parents follow it? do you think empirical research supports it? why are the RP boards run like third world governments banning anyone that disagrees with RP views? explain more about this enforcing of cultural norms? you said you have different views than current cultural norms becaus…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/14 08:02 PM
0

anyone can be a leader or exercise leadership, but when one person assumes more leadership as a rule in the dyad, that becomes a dictatorship, even if they other party consents to that. how is one party having the final say in a relationship not a dictatorship? as to western/media norms... you were exposed to them and yet you are the way you are, how is that possible? as long as norms are not forced/imposed, who cares what gets talked about? why do you need the world to reflect your views? i'm c…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/14 07:13 PM
0

are hormones inherently female? in fact, physical aggression is far more of a male problem, and fluctuating hormones is more of a female problem. men and women are different.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/14 06:42 PM
0

or male violence/aggression?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/14 06:36 PM
4

someone has to be in charge? two people can't be in charge? have you ever heard of equal business partnerships? or give an take - "we don't agree so you get this decision, but the next time we disagree, i get it"? a consenting unhealthy relationship is still unhealthy. i'm all for people's freedom to be unhealthy, but i'm not going to pretend someone that works as a prostitute is a healthy person... or that if you have the upper hand in a relationship with your partner, that i don't view your pa…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/14 06:35 PM
0

i don't know about your first question. haven't read any empirical studies on that topic. seems rather inefficient to have two brains in a relationship with one less utilized though. i think it's dehumanizing for a man or female to wear the pants in a relationship, both should cooperate in a partnership. i wonder how man redpillers come from male dominated or female dominated families and are messed up from that, either in wanting to repeat their dad's domination, or to rebel from their mother's…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/14 06:22 PM
2

built to survive the death of a partner?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/14 05:57 PM
2

so you think one party can have the upper hand in a relationship but it's still an equal relationship? how does that make any sense? you either believe in relationship equality or you believe in hierarchy? both can't coexist.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/14 05:46 PM
3

ying and yang have equal power (while being opposites/different); a captain and a first mate don't (even though they might be equally necessary for the functioning of a ship, which you could say the same of the bolts on the hull). again if you think women should defer more often to men, you support a certain male/female hierarchy which contradicts the notion of ying/yang. the person with the inferior decision making capacity on whatever the household question is at any given time is, should defe…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/14 05:43 PM
2

well that's codependency. caring about someone as much as you care about yourself and they care about you, is reciprocity. by your model everyone would fall apart after a break up and/or death of a loved one, both of which happen even in an ideal world of entirely healthy people.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/14 05:34 PM
2

ha, of course you are. do you think it can't be a relationship unless it's a mutual unhealthy addiction? where do you derive that belief/understanding?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/14 05:19 PM
1

equal in the sense that one party doesn't have the upper hand, there is not victimizer/victim dynamic. the child does not look at one parent and feel sorry for them, or angry at the other. how many different things can you find in a store that are the same price? all of those things are, in a way, different but equal. people who NEED a partner to feel whole, stable, are driven by more than sex addiction, it's psychological and emotional as much or more than sexual for many codependent/counterdep…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/14 05:17 PM
2

i've read that article before, not sure i agree with it or that it applies to enough people to be that useful. i think you overstate the percentage of unhealthy relationships/people. i wouldn't find rp/rpw types so frighteningly anomalous if they were the norm. i think they have abuse/neglect histories and while that's not rare, it's not the norm. In general, TRP believes in the captain/first mate relationship model, and that's not inherently dysfunctional or unhealthy. first mates are not equal…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/14 05:11 PM
3

if you can appreciate men or women when you are in a relationship and not be an addict that needs to control them and/or falls apart without them, i think you are healthy person.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/14 04:50 PM
2

forget what society values, based on your individual understanding of the world are men and women different but equal? feel free to deconstruct my steep claim. a heroin addict is a weak person motivated to have control over a supply of heroin they are dependent on. substitute heroin for female, and addict for rp male.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/14 04:47 PM
4

fucked up in the head and unaware of it < fucked up in the head and aware of it. the latter has a chance of becoming a healthy individual (figuring out, coming to terms with what in their past and/or instincts compels them to want to be a victimizer and/or a victim).
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/14 04:41 PM
1

i was actually curious whether you really believe men and women are different BUT equal and/or whether RP/RPW does (not society)? we could debate what equality means, but if you think equality is important/healthy and you believe men and women are equal (though different) great. obviously a lot of rp/rpw types don't think that, if you want to argue they are the minority, ok. is it bad for a women to be a housewife? honestly, i don't think it is necessarily. i guess it's all about context. if the…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/14 04:11 PM
3

what's your evidence that most relationships are characterized by the narcissist/borderline spectrum? And are you implying that most men are narcissists in a relationship, and most women borderlines? I might be willing to agree that most unhealthy relationships slant to that dynamic, but not healthy relationships. A healthy relationship involves two people capable of being on their own, that respect one another and choose to be together. They don't need to entangle each other in some counterdepe…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/14 03:12 PM
2

first, one of those links is the findings of a study based on self reports. second, interdependence is based on reciprocity, not dominance or submission. men and women are different, ok. are they different but equal or different and unequal? the former lends itself to reciprocity, the latter to dominance/submission (i.e. counter-dependence/co-dependence).
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/14 02:45 PM
6

what do you mean by normal? isn't polygamy more normal than monogamy historically? if you think the codependent-female/counter-dependent-male monogamy model is now what should be normal? why should that continue to hold in the future (since it hasn't always been normative)? if you believe in evolution/change, what will the next normative relationship model be? or do you want to freeze time at this evolutionary stage? how does that make sense?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/14 02:34 PM
4

this discussion or all discussion? why? you realize this subforum is for debate, why are you here?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/14 02:04 PM
4

Why would a healthy person NEED to control others (counter-dependent) or be controlled (co-dependent)? Do you see how both orientations are exploiting each other, the co-dependent needing to be supported, and the counter-dependent needing control in exchange for their support? I have no problem with people freely choosing to be like this. I just think people are not aware of the psychology they are operating under, which is ironic as redpill is all about being more aware. I'm open to the argumen…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/14 01:53 PM
0

Do women like more people than men?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/14 04:52 PM
1

15 sexual relationships by 21
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/14 11:47 PM
1

She asked whether she will always just be left by partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/14 11:34 PM
2

Unstable relationships, thinking all happiness relies on maintaining a romantic relationship. She has histrionic and borderline personality issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/14 11:32 PM
1

How can you prioritize self interest and interest in others / the world? Unless you are saying they are equal priorities for you, for red pillars? Is that what you are saying? You said something about redpill being about what's attractive to women, if girls like expensive cars and every guy prioritizes getting an expensive car, do you think that will make for a better world? Is getting sex/pleasure by any means necessary more important than living in, working towards a civilized sustainable worl…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/14 11:29 PM
0

Like all personality orientations, it's a spectrum. I understand the spectrum and have dated girls on the unhealthy side of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/14 11:16 PM
0

Several, she's 21 and she has had 15. Relationship instability is a symptom, as is fear of abandonment which she has.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/14 11:12 PM
0

A little but I recognize it more in girls I've dated.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/14 08:34 PM
1

If it does no harm to anyone, it's not selfish. Selfishness is taking more resources than you contribute, helping yourself at the cost of someone else. You can imagine too many selfish people especially if they have power can really hurt the world. If you were on the balcony of a burning high rise with a stranger and there was one parachute, how would you approach the situation?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/14 08:32 PM
1

What kind of man do you think and/or does trp think is most attractive to women? Do you think its better to be selfish, selfless, or in between? The people around you are more likely to be an extension of yourself, being nice to them is no real measure of whether you are a good person. How do you treat strangers or someone that doesn't agree with you?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/14 08:26 PM
1

No, I'm open for debate. Is the goal of being red pill to be alpha / better than others and to put self interest above the interests of others / the world?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/14 07:38 PM
2

That's a very literal explanation of things. That's like saying all horror stories originated from the first horror story. This is about psychological origins and motivations of people who identify with redpill/redpillwomen.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/14 06:01 PM
2

If beta means inferior, and alpha means superior, if you think red pill means prioritizing self interest over the interests of others / the world, that lines up with narcissitic psychology (fixation on being superior + selfish). A small group of wannabes helping each other to become narcissists is much like a bunch of addicts helping each other get drugs. Helping someone down a unhealthy path isn't actually helpful, its hurtful to them, their victims, the world. This article is unlikely to be re…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/14 05:57 PM
1

This thread is about whether redpillars are reenacting unhealthy genetic/family/environmental patterns. As the article discusses narcissists are highly guarded / unwilling to examine themselves or have themselves examined by others, so you are validating that by not being honest with how your background contributes to your beliefs / behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/14 05:14 PM
1

The theory is they were abused by their narcissistic parent(s) / early environment and now they are reenacting it either as redpill/narcissists or redpillwomen/co-narcissists.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/14 05:08 PM
0

Explained above
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/14 04:41 PM
0

What were the dynamics of your family? Were your parents equals or did one have the upper hand? Where was your place in the mix?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/14 04:41 PM
-1

Explained
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/14 04:38 PM
1

Narcissism lines up with redpill psychology, co-narcissism lines up with redpillwomen psychology
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/14 03:45 PM
0

How old are you? How often do you smoke pot? If you were to strive for perfection, would it be to please yourself or the world?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/14 03:38 PM
-1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3TKut1F1zE&feature=youtube_gdata_player
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/14 03:16 PM
1

That's all fine/healthy, this spectrum merely measures a personality spectrum that being too far from the middle on (either too spartan or too mating-centric) will tend to sabotage relationships. For example if a more mating-centric type enjoys spending time with someone, things could work ok unless/until they meet someone they like spending time with more, then they are more likely to cheat and/or move on.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/13 08:21 PM
1

Deriving pleasure from alcohol does not make one necessarily addicted to it. Non mating-centric does not mean avoidant or spartan necessarily, it could mean balanced, in between, someone who can enjoy connection to someone else and not experience physical withdrawal at the absence or dissolution of that connection/relationship. How do you expect an alcoholic to fix their unhealthy dependency pattern if you think unhealthy dependency patterns are normal, healthy? Mating-centrics have a similarly …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/13 05:53 PM
1

But if the love was more about the validation/pleasure you got from them, which is how mating-centric types operate, it would be more difficult to get over them versus someone who loved who they were as a human being and was thus quicker to process the end of the relationship because they focused on the reality that this person they value for who they are wants to move on. The mating-centrics love involves physical addiction/dependency, non mating-centric love does not involve that, and thus can…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/13 04:41 PM
2

i think once you know what's going on, you can change your behavior if you want to. if you liked something that might be bad for you bud didn't know it, it would be hard to not keep doing it. but, if you know and believe it's bad for you, you can select different behaviors, and your old tendencies will wither, in time.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/13 01:18 PM
2

if you actually love and care for someone, and they don't want to be with you, you should be understanding/supportive of what they want. if they think what's good for them (their welfare) is to not be with you, how is your wanting to keep them about their welfare?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/13 01:14 PM
1

Redpill types think the solution to external validation addiction is to learn, get better at obtaining it when the problem is having an external validation addiction to begin with (which not everyone has, and those that do don't all have it to the same degree), having a mating-centric orientation. Only be realizing and pursuing a I'm-not-my-attractiveness-to-others can they fix their anger, insecurity, powerlessness, cognitive and emotional distortions.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/13 12:12 PM
3

Someone breaks up with you. If you get upset it's not because you care about the person. If you did you would appreciate that they don't want to be with you, you are upset (whether you realize it or not) because their rejection of you undermines your identity which is rooted in how much others value or don't value you. Elliot Smith was a talented musician but because he wasn't appreciated, he was depressed / suicidal. Had he not relied on external validation, he probably would not have killed hi…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/13 12:04 PM
3

Mating-centric are consciously or unconsciously defined by their mating value (their ability to attract those they find attractive), they subsist/depend on external validation, Spartan types prioritize internal validation instead and are unmotivated to connect to / rely on external things. If romantic rejection upsets/unsettles you, you are Mating-centric, if it doesn't, you are Spartan. If you need any external thing to be happy other than food, shelter, water, you are Mating-centric.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/13 11:44 AM
2

I think one can change, if one wants to, it's easier when you are more aware of why you might have preferred certain behavior in the past.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/13 09:16 AM
2

done
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/13 04:05 AM
3

from my mind
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/13 03:13 AM
3

According to the book survival of the prettiest, the most attractive age of a male to women physically is 28.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/13 03:31 PM
5

Then why are people on the RP obsessed with the dark triad personality which is about being selfish, manipulative?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/13 04:58 AM
1

Are people on pro-anna sites mentally ill? Narcissism personality disorder is brought up on TRP, and it's reframed as a positive, i.e. a desirable dark triad trait (do a search for dark triad on TRP). I do think people with Narcissistic personality are mentally ill, as does the medical establishment. To stay on point, could you explain how having Narcissistic personality is not essential to buying into TRP or at least that it's not common among people who buy into TRP? If you can't do that, I'm …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/13 05:01 PM
2

of course trp is racist or more likely to be. how is the white power movement any different from a movement which miss-perceives that the dominant group in society (men), by losing some of the power it traditionally had (when women had no rights/standing/power/freedom), is now oppressed? the trp is not unlike the nazi phenomenon. a depressed, low functioning, selfish mindset angry over the changing world and desiring to return to an older era where germany was dominant. if the modern world becam…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/13 04:12 PM
1

so winning until you lose/die? if you are a loser in the end how can you ever feel like a winner unless you enjoy deluding yourself?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/13 03:50 PM
You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

© TheRedArchive 2026. All rights reserved.
created by /u/dream-hunter