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https://www.researchgate.net/figure/The-number-of-competitors-in-the-speed-date-population-for-men-and-women-in-relation-to_fig2_236670565 The desirability effect was stronger than the responsiveness effect and hence taller men were more likely to form a pair, that is, were more likely to end up with a match If you are too tall you are undesirable. If you are too average or below average you are less desirable. And when you are really short you are not describable at all. Its worth it to note th…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 11:45 PM
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https://imgur.com/CNEomq7 Its exponential according to height. F in the chat to short kings
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 11:37 PM
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Are you aware that at 6'3" you are competing on average with 1 other men for the same woman, 2 by 6'1" and competing on average with 120 other men at 5'6"?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 11:15 PM
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in my area, objectively ugly people do go to Walmart. Sure - in your area. A better cross section of my age/area would be Target or Fleet Farm So use those?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 11:13 PM
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You are so full of delusion that you believe only ugly people go to Walmart. Normal people go to Walmart. It is as good as a representation as any.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 11:04 PM
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my man you need to walk around a Walmart and compare yourself to others.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 10:57 PM
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And the flip side - watch yourself get ignored (unless of course you are also attractive)
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 10:22 PM
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Of course, but you said it was a practice makes perfect scenario. However there are many cases where the amount of practice you do does not matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 10:05 PM
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You absolutely can learn confidence through practice; in fact, I’d argue most it us did in our teens and early 20s. I am not arguing you cannot learn confidence through practice. I am arguing that confidence doesn't matter until you pass a looks threshhold
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 10:02 PM
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I disagree completely. It has nothing to do with practice. Mate selection studies show women have a looks threshold that must be crossed before any other attribute is looked at. There are times where you are close enough to that threshold that she can see other traits but that depends on the woman. Meanwhile, there will always be times where you will be rejected on looks alone because that is what the data says.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 09:58 PM
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Perhaps on the confidence front. But we are experts at reading body language. You spot the IOIs and that gives you confidence. If you get disgust - how can you be confident? Personally I was always confident - it didn't matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 09:54 PM
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Indeed. Its also not just romantic attention (not to say you excluded others). Like - girls would never message you in any capacity, text, or call. You become attractive and they find ~ways~ to talk to you. They wouldn't ever ask you questions during conversation. They would basically ignore you exist in group settings. You basically get 0 interaction with women in any form if you are unattractive. The contrast was depressing to me but also not surprising after i looked at the psychology researc…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 09:47 PM
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Women seek to emascualte men. Attractive men are not emasuclated (they don't allow it to occur in the first place), unnatractive men are emasculated. What you just witnessed is a man not standing up for himself. A weak man. Of course she is disgusted by him. He is sitting there getting fucked in the ass live on the internet.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 09:29 PM
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I was unnatractive and women treated me like shit I became attractive through a serious glow up and suddenly women treated me amazing. Just my lived experience as a former overweight man.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 09:27 PM
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You do not see what I am doing. I see what you are doing, mr mutual waste time.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 09:16 PM
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The issue was that in the 70s most welfare was going to single mothers, so they placed the burden of caring for women on the men who had children with them and other men in society through taxes. In many cases, these women are the problem, but they get rewarded for it. It gives them a false sense of entitlement.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 09:13 PM
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Women date older men, end of story. Why? because they are attracted to them for many reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 08:51 PM
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If you don't think its false then your only purpose was to derail the discussion and change the argument. how would you hold a random woman accountable lol? By calling them out when they say dumb shit. you just said women also care about personality And men do as well. Women care about looks more than men do. Men care about looks more than any other attribute. Women care about looks more than any other attribute. Only women will reject partners based off looks alone. Men will consider other attr…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 08:45 PM
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You may be trolling, but you also called out her fallacious argument. You are just an incompetent troll.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 08:41 PM
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no you correctly pointed out her use of an argumentative fallacy. She was being manipulative and you called it out.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 08:31 PM
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cheating is p equal among the genders from what i've seen Cheating being equal among genders does not make saying many women pursue married men is false. For one that makes the assumption that men and women cheat for the same reasons (hint, men cheat to get sex women cheat to level up their boyfriends). This is moot though because its not relevant to the original topic women are more attractive and pleasant to be around in general than men. Not true at all. Most women just haven't been told they…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 08:04 PM
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Women who have shown limited ability to commit are not commit worthy themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 07:48 PM
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In my experience women like to be womanized. They want their ass slapped as you walk by. They want you to treat them like a sex object. They want you to grab their butt as you hug them. They want to be teased (this comes down to sister-brother relationships). These are all fun, and women just want to have fun. Women will say in public "its sexual harassment if you slap a girls ass" - but that only applies to unwanted ass slaps. If she is into you it makes her feel desired and lusted for which is…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 07:22 PM
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well no one wants to date a married man Irrelevant. I am saying that these high value men are rare not that women dont want to date married men. It turns out many women are OK pursuing a married man though, so you are wrong there. well yeah, bc women are non-threatening and pleasant to be around. getting a coffee with a random woman sounds fine or even fun. getting coffee w a random man sounds scary and taxing. Sounds like misandry. Either way you agreed so what is your point. why are you changi…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 07:10 PM
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They will always happen. There is a great book that touches on it (the way of the superior man). All stages. Especially early, and especially if she is unsure. If she is unsure her testing will get more aggressive -> you get insecure she dumps you. Shes upset that you aren't the man she thought you were. But like for instance on a dating app -> girl opens up with an insult -> its a test -> "are you always such a bitch to people you first meet?" You can playfully retaliate, you can ignore, you ca…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 07:06 PM
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I would say those women are the exception. But as they say, never stick your dick in crazy. Women testing mens masculinity is just the norm. Insecure and emasculated men fail, strong men pass. Those same women wouldn't apologize. Its the women who do after they test you and you pass and you call them out that are the keepers. They can see they behaved wrong, they apologize, but they can never explain why they tested you (Its subconcious - they are constantly looking for reassurance that you are …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 06:50 PM
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You need to call out bad behavior from women you are interested in. They basically test to see if you can tell right from wrong. So they will be a bitch to you (especially when they first meet you) to see if you are strong enough to stand up to them. They will do this repeatedly during the relationship. They will manipulate, gaslight, emotionally abuse, and the SECOND you let them get away with it and sulk they lose attraction to you. If you call them out, they get mad (a ruse), and then good wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 06:43 PM
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And most women want that. They just don't want to be seen as a whore so lie.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 06:41 PM
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And mate selection studies show women behave otherwise. So they are just inauthentic because they do not want to appear shallow.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 06:41 PM
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And if you eliminate overweight men, not married, and men under 5'10" you get like 3% of men. When you do the math from dating apps, high value men (>5'10, 100K a year, not obese, not married) are 20x more in demand than high value women. This is not even a joke. Men are much more fair to less attractive women then women are towards lower value men. Mate selection studies show that looks are a dealbreaker for WOMEN not for men. You don't realize this but pretty women are an abundant resource. Hi…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 06:24 PM
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shes trying to manipulate by insinuating you are being ridiculous, when in fact she just has nothing to respond with. So she tries to discredit what you said on the basis that it is absurd.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 06:21 PM
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Yes women want sex just as much as men. from my personal experience I was a virgin at 30. I got red pilled. Learned everything about attraction. Worked on my physical appearance (how i dressed, my hair, strength training, bouldering). I became chad. I went from getting ghosted on apps for 4 years with no dates and basically zero conversation to having 8 dates scheduled within 1 week of updating my photos. I had two sexual experiences with two diff women within that month. These were women that I…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 06:08 PM
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Women gaslight men into believing they do not care about these things because it looks poorly on their character. Once you learn that women care more about perception of their qualities than their actual qualities you will understand why they behave like this. Its virtue signalling. Everyone wants the best deal they can get in life. Saying women like money and status is perceived negatively because it presents women as shallow. They get defensive so use social manipulation to appear more virtuou…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 05:07 PM
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i do not know. Men value authenticity and bitchy women are just more authentic. Id rather they bitch it out as it comes then blow up once a week or once a month.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 02:16 PM
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Pretty much. I got attractive and would kiss emoji -> ask on dates through OLD. After getting ghosted and given the ringer through conversations (1 month for one girl...) prior to getting fit and muscular. The type of texts I send my current partner... just yesterday I sent a photo of our sex pillow with a vibrator on top. Flirty and sexual texts are exciting. You just need to learn when its appropriate to send them and also be attractive enough to get away with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 02:14 PM
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All women use their femininity to manipulate men. Once you learn what constitutes manipulation, emotional abuse, etc, you will see women employ it everywhere in all capacities. Its very eye opening.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 08:02 PM
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Exception makes the rule fallacy. Women are very attracted to men who cannot be manipulated. The use of these argumentative fallacies and men not being able to call it out is the problem. Because most men are weak and socially incompetent. Even if they can spot the manipulation they lack the spine to do something about it. Thus they get cucked in relationships, completely emasculated, dead bedroom situations. Because they allow themselves to be emasculated. These discussions play out in relation…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 07:59 PM
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You aren't the target audience.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 03:06 AM
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The point is not to change the girls point of view. The point is for other men to read it and come to their own conclusions.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 02:25 AM
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By definition they cannot date a man they do not message, and they are only messaging the top ~5-10 percentile of men. Thus the top 5-10% of men get all the women.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/24 11:24 PM
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Only like 5-8% are worth being spoken to https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Frobcb3ggida81.jpg
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/24 11:18 PM
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All the messages go to the top few percentile of men: https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Frobcb3ggida81.jpg Men that are below this threshold are not even worth being spoken to
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/24 10:58 PM
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It takes two to tango. Half the responsibility is shitty men and the other half is women choosing shitty men. They are both at fault.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/24 10:53 PM
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Because the truth hurts. Women are afraid of conflict and thus when there is perceived conflict they get uncomfortable. They then project that feeling of being uncomfortable and blame what you said for how they felt. They are simply uncomfortable with what you said not because it was wrong but because of how it made them feel. When in fact there is nothing wrong with what you said. Women do choose in the beginning. When they choose wrong it is on them.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/24 10:51 PM
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Because they're all dating the same men and those men know that they can just get another one. Of course they are responsible. They choose to give themselves easily to men who have infinite options.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/24 10:44 PM
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Why would you keep the why to yourself?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 03:03 PM
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If they're handsome ie worked out and got fit they already implemented red pill into their lives in that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 02:58 PM
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Neither of that changes the fact that as time goes on the dating market fills up with avoidants.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/24 11:53 PM
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He is projecting his feeling that it looks childish to seek comfort. I do agree with him on other points. I find women my age lack do maturity or knowledge. But again, to succeed i had to learn a lot. Feels like the women my age haven't had to learn. From knowledge about the world around them to emotional intelligence.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/24 06:16 AM
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Avoidance is the answer. Avoidant attachment as a result of trauma. Due to life events, childhood avents, relationship woes, etc. As you go through life you naturally go through more things. People who are older simply have more baggage. Also as time goes on the dating market fills up with avoidants. So older people in the dating market tend to have much higher rates of avoidance Its not a rarity, it actually becomes quite common as you get older. You are correct that some women do be become mor…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/24 05:51 AM
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Preach dude. its why its so important to bag a girl when you are young. But ya gotta know everything at a young age and find time for your fitness, career pursuits, hustles, etc. Becoming attractive takes years and that is if you know what is considered attractive, and that is so difficult these days because all you have to go by is what people say. Which is always biased towards virtue. Its why I firmly stand by being the best you can be so that you can be the one to choose.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/24 12:35 AM
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misandry is socially acceptable
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/24 10:36 PM
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I spent 4 years getting ignored completely, then spent a few years on self improvement and my options went from infinitely zero to infinitely many. Basically, until I got into the top few percentile of men career wise, looks wise, appearance wise, I got NOTHING AT ALL. I just got ghosted repeatedly. That is when I learned how shallow women are.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/24 09:48 PM
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Indeed. They do not make good choices and they get hurt. Then men get blamed.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/24 03:39 AM
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If a girl was less insecure around intimacy when she was younger and was more experimental - only to become insecure around intimacy and not want to explore with me yes I would see that as a red flag. I do not want to deal with a woman who has insecurities around sex. Its exhausting and I have needs. Ultimately - I will just go find a woman who will meet them because that is not hard for someone in my position. I want someone to have fun who wants to have fun sex. Sex is important to me in a rel…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/24 08:41 PM
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That's just them not feeling lust. The opposite of lust is disgust, and if you they dont lust after you, you disgust them. The idea of being with you is vile. So become lustful to them. Take the red pill. Now you see another side of women. At the end of the day, women are gonna follow their feelings. So you can either save one woman from this atrocious dating market by becoming an expert manipulator (seductive) or die alone. Every woman I dated after becoming chad had high expectations. Until I …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 08:48 PM
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Mhmm. Mean girls is def a girl thing lol. But its also very well studied and not just a movie. Women are mean to each other, denegrate eachother, gossip, shame, do all sorts of nasty shit to other women. Men are just more chill. A man who is attractive and good with women is respected, because he is a leader in that way among men so men tend to follow or learn from them then ruin their relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 08:44 PM
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They do if they are aware of how women compete in indirect ways, by dressing sexy (or dressing well). They don't do it naturally. But men who are socially aware will learn how women compete and compete with women in those indirect ways (like fashion, appearance, etc). It appeals to their hypergamy.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 08:42 PM
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I got ignored for years. I learned how shallow women are. I played the game and I won. Now I now how to seduce any woman I want. I get lots of attention. I have mastered skills that no woman has even considered relevant to master in order to attract the other gender. ​ So yes - why should I settle for just one? why should I view women nicely? ​ The fact is I still do and instead of taking as many women as I want and use and discard them I found one good girl to save from this atrocious dating ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 08:06 PM
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Yes, in terms of rudeness. You linked a different topic entirely (threatened). The cattyness is almost exclusively female, and there is plenty of research on intrasexual mate competition within men and women that you should look at because it details the science behind your question.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 08:03 PM
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Men do not want competition for their woman. If a woman has a lot of male interest the man sees that as a problem. Its not worth the hassle so they find a woman who gets less attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 05:50 PM
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Yep - studies show that men who have had sex with other men are repulsive to women. Its a fact - get OVER IT.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 05:49 PM
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Have you learned seduction?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 05:48 PM
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Read up on female intrasexual competition. This is a uniquely female behaviour and is absolutely gendered.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 05:45 PM
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got fit and muscular really good haircut from a good barber dressed well good photos Im naturally attractive but was overweight which meant i got 0 interest until 30. My employer is also highly sought after (tech engineer) went from 0 dates over 4 years to 8 dates within two weeks of updating my photos.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 05:25 PM
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Improve yourself in every way possible or die alone. Your only option is to take the red pill or be lonely. Former 30 y/o virgin made chad. Do not let blue pillers gaslight you.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 06:41 PM
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Another form of manipulation - ad hominem attack.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 06:01 PM
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Please have a rational discussion. Your manipulation is annoying.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 05:16 PM
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And with that you have used an argumentative fallacy to change the argument to be about something else.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 05:02 PM
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'end up' isn't relevant. Because once women mature and age they are willing to settle. That doesn't help men who aren't settling age.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 04:50 PM
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And getting a woman when you have money is claiming that power is it not?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 04:49 PM
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Dated a girl who had a basement full of gifts. She asked me for an ebike on like the 6th date. I told her to start saving - she ghosted me.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 04:48 PM
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I learned the red pill and implemented it into my life.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 04:41 PM
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I do not disagree, but that is a different discussion entirely. I never said men who are attractive are good at sex you did. So stop putting words in my mouth and being manipulative.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/23 12:23 AM
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This reads like its written by someone who doesn't understand the social aspect of games while subsequently watched soaps and dramas and tv shows and movies all throughout her life. Games are incredibly social. They build a ton of very valuable soft skills. There is a reason online games are so popular, because the people who play them interact with other people the entire time. The ignorance lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 10:45 PM
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Honey, that is why the red pill exists - which is about being the best you can be in every way. Including the ability to pleasure a woman
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 10:37 PM
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It's so funny though, because it doesn't take long to figure out how to fuck properly and what makes her go wild No, it really doesn't. I agree. But with infinite options women will just go find another guy who can pleasure her in the way she wants. Its an unfortunate reality of social media and online dating. There is always someone better, so why would a woman take a risk that you could improve when she could find someone else. Basically the girl feels that she doesn't have the physical connec…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 10:33 PM
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And that is not what I said. Being attractive gives you access to more sex = more likely more experienced. It also heightens the emotional response and thus pleasure the woman receives. Fat slob panting and sweating all over you vs Jason mamoa sensually making love to you. Basically the more attractive you are the most lust women feel, the more they are able to be present and want to be fucking railed. They enjoy it more, want it more often. Just my experience as an overweight male turned chad.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 10:29 PM
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Why do you care if you get banned. Just make a new account. Those mods are just insecure and do not want to believe the facts because the facts make them uncomfortable.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 10:27 PM
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And generally speaking all women want to feel the immense pleasure that a man skilled in the bedroom can give them. At least - once they have experienced it. Its why alpha widowing is a thing. Its also why its NOT ok for a man to be inexperienced. Because a lot of women have had that experience, they now have higher expectations. It is NOT OK to be inexperienced. Sexual satisfaction is immensely important for women. Especially since many have had a chad that did what no other man has done before…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 09:13 PM
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Indeed. The same thing has been seen in real life, for instance a study on speed dating came to the same conclusion.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 09:11 PM
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And also not relevant to the fact that you absolutely can learn skills off youtube :)
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 09:10 PM
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Last night I ignored an attractive coworker at a party. Spoke to another less attractive girl. Attractive girl proceed to follow me around the christmas party all night. She had three other guys trying to talk to her all night. When I left another girl screaming 'Bye mods_have_small_ween!!!' was a huge bit of social proof. Her feet were pointed towards me all night, following me around. At the end of the night I made strong eye contact in response to something she said and left shortly after. Lo…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 07:52 PM
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Because men know how men think, and women do not. They are incredibly naive.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 07:44 PM
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Every one of your arguments is the 'if a then b' fallacy. You are changing the words which changes the meaning.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 07:40 PM
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Yes. I became chad and I have basically infinite options on the app. I can respond with a kiss emoji and immediately ask a girl out with basically 100% acceptance rate. I can put absolutely zero effort in. fyi before I became chad I was ghosted after 1-3 messages for over 4 years. So I have seen both sides. IRL I gotta do my hair, wear nice clothes, actually go to a place women worth meeting are at. Its exhausting.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 07:38 PM
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Straight women have the lowest incidents of orgasms during sex out of ANY group. it's a global problem, not a local one. One reason why the red pill says get fit and muscular (lust & desire) to improve physical attaction, and also improve ability in the bedroom . It teaches men seduction so that they can get a woman to orgasm. It teaches men how to touch, where to touch, how to use their penis during penetration so that women can orgasm. The red pill be the best you can be truly helps men solve …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 07:36 PM
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Facts. I was like 30lb overweight on a big build and got ghosted for years, basically ignored. Lost it in 3 months and had 8 dates in a two week period. Yet you see all these girls dads bods and they're all similar levels of overweight. Yet these women wouldn't ever date any man like their fathers. Delulu Women (and men) are just shallow.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 07:33 PM
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I don't think men claim muscles on women don't matter. I think muscles aren't something men look for in traits of a woman. That doesn't mean muscles are not attractive. It means that men like attractive women in the eyes of men, and women do not need muscles to be attractive to men. It doesn't mean that muscles would'nt make a woman more attractive or less attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 07:32 PM
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Other attributes only matter once a looks threshold is crossed.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 07:31 PM
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Also mate selection studies show that for women looks are a dealbreaker and a looks threshhold must be crossed before any other attribute is considered. So despite women saying looks don't matter means something else, they are also straight up lying when they say looks don't matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 07:30 PM
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i don't think theyr'e stupid, I think it's a barrier to it being effective So you changed the topic to be about whether or not the average american can understand a youtube video, which is manipulative. You also made a wild guess about the abilities of the average american (so literally made shit up). So you have no issue with the youtube video being effective at teaching the content and have zero argument against it Basically you are just projecting your own bias against that form of learning a…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 07:29 PM
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a bandwagon fallacy would be "everyone reads at a 4th grade level so therefore books are stupid and no one should read them"' You mean like "everyone reads at a 4th grade level so therefore youtube videos are stupid and no one should watch them"? I don't think it makes any sense to do this without the baseline of how men respond to women Why does it not make sense? Is it because you are trying to change the argument to be the other way around because its a convenient way to discredit what I said
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 06:21 PM
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You offered criticism to how it was phrased and none to the actual message. Do you have an issue with that or not? Because by only focusing on the small details you are being manipulative. And only arguing for the sake of arguing is just being childish.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 06:19 PM
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most americans read at a 4th grade level tho Appeal to the masses fallacy, not relevant. Purpose of judging No one is judging.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 12:07 PM
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Ditto. You cared more about phrasing than the actual message.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 12:06 PM
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I don’t think anyone is scared of men they reject because of their looks, they’re afraid of rejected men because of the threat of violence or retaliation. This is why dating app data is so relevant, because it shows how women behave without fear of being judged by others, or violence.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 12:05 PM
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But men cum 1-3 times and are done. Women can have multiple orgasms and more often in a day so in fact their libido is less limited.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 12:04 PM
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Partially about eugenics. There are ways that women demonstrate hypergamy (such as through $) that is not eugenic related. Hypergamy and hypergamous traits are both biological and constructed within our society.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 08:14 PM
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They do think it, but subconsciously in the reptilian part of their mammalian brain. They lust after men with good genetics, and thus seek them out. They get scared and afraid of men with bad genetics, and thus value signal / seek validation that those men are creeps or not in their league. This is their brain thinking for them. Good genetics are attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 08:12 PM
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Sure - but that is a different argument entirely. Women want sex with men they lust after, and do not want sex with men they do not. They still want sex just as much as men. Just they have differing standards in regards to who they have sex with.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 08:06 PM
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I disagree. Men are direct and open with their interest in sex. Women are indirect. They will reject men with a small penis and gaslight the man into believing it was something else. They will reject men who cannot perform and do the same. They will reject men who say they are inexperienced on the basis that it is unlikely that they will be able to satisfy her. After becoming chad I found that women were incredibly sex driven. I just had to be someone who made them feel lust, then I saw a comple…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 07:58 PM
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I don't see it as a waste of energy. I am here to raise other men up, and if I have to deal with a few ignorant women so be it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 07:52 PM
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I am not shaming men who are virgins. Nor did i state they were inferior. I merely told them in a direct way that it is not OK. Because it isn't if the goal is to date a woman. Once again, men putting other men down under the guise of care while blaming women. There was no blame towards women. I did not put them down. I told them what is expected of them and how to improve. That is raising them up not down. You seem to not understand gendered communication styles. Men speak directly, women indir…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 06:08 PM
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I am not upset at all. Where do you get this idea? Also - how am I shaming men? I merely state what is expected of them. I told them how to improve themselves. I raised them up.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 06:00 PM
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I can see you have an IQ of <50. Good day.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 05:58 PM
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It is possible to take seriously, I did, and I found success. I am sorry that my own experience and my own advice makes you uncomfortable. I know it may be difficult to accept that you can learn and have chosen not to. No you do not need to step up, nor do you owe women anything. But the fact is that 60% of men failed to reproduce. So if you want to live a fulfulling life the fact is that sexual prowess is important to women, as is your appearance, how socially competent you are, etc. These are …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 05:53 PM
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Exception makes the rule fallacy. Yes there is porn that could help someone learn a few tricks. That does not mean that porn is the best resource to learn those skills nor does it mean someone can just watch porn (A specific type of porn that is more realistic is required) There are pornographic homemade tutorials to all the positions on pornhub which I recommended. I in fact already recommended that type of porn - so what are you even adding to the conversation. Also porn wont teach you how to …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 05:42 PM
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Porn is not a good representation for what women enjoy and want in the bedroom
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 05:32 PM
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So is being a turbo virgin. But a turbo virgin can do everything he can to ensure that when he does get the opportunity he doesn't fuck it up. That's not pathetic or humiliating, that is a story of perseverance, discipline, and grit. I was 30 and a virgin, I did what I suggested, and my first sexual experiences after being pilled I didn't fuck up. Because i knew everything about womens anatomy. As a result, women kept coming back because shocker - I could get them off and get them off real good.…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 05:29 PM
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I never said using your hands to masturbate with it. Practicing thrusting in various positions is something you absolutely can do. As well as practicing reverse kegels to stop yourself from cumming. Have more critical thinking lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 05:16 PM
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Mhmm. Its about opening your eyes to how the world and the people in it work. How you go about learning that after gaining a higher level of perception is completely on the individual. Some individual selling shit online isn't a good role model for what the red pill actually is and it causes a lot of issues in discussions as people talk about two different things.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 05:07 PM
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Thats why the red pill teaches men to improve their social skills. A lot of women are anxious and want men to lead and direct the conversation. If men themselves are anxious they aren't able to do this and it puts women off. I remember not even being that attracted to this one guy but once the conversations started rolling out I was super turned on because he stimulated my mind which= mind blowing sex +1 for the red pill. It works. You want a man that leads conversations and shows social prowess…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 05:05 PM
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This is truthful. It is NOT OK to a virgin. It is NOT OK to be inexperienced. Sexual satisfaction is immensely important for women. Especially since many have had a chad that did what no other man has done before. It sets the expectation for all future men, and your virgin inexperienced ass cannot compete with chad. Let alone any other man who has been in relationships for years having sex regularly. Thus you MUST learn any way you can. Books (she comes first), youtube (Caitlyn V), pornhub (tuto…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 05:01 PM
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I had a feminist get upset at me for asking her to go half. When she did finally break up with me she brought it up and said 'read the room'. It was the most eye opening experience to how bullshit feminism is and that is when I stopped dating feminists because she gave me a crash course in how manipulative women are.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 04:51 PM
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Very good point. They may be more likely but also its relatively small anyway. I would agree that because men grow up receiving zero support they are less likely to give it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 04:50 PM
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Also - i find it highly ironic that rather than respond to what I said you used manipulation in a sad attempt to invalidate it. You changed the topic to be about me, rather than responding. Argumentative fallacy. You tried to attack my character, rather than responding. Argumentative fallacy. You just proved my point :)
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 04:41 PM
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I have a wonderful life, wonderful partner. Are you projecting your own insecurity about your own life here?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 04:38 PM
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Simple - they aren't attracted to those men. They aren't self aware enough to identify this. Also - more traditional men aren't attracted to these women. They will get put in the sleeper category and used for sex & never anything long term.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 04:37 PM
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That's what women keep saying isn't it - where have all the good men gone? Also shown by dating app stats - women only see very few men as viable partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 04:34 PM
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You attempted to manipulate the discussion by saying she was no longer respected. But her public perception has no bearing on the accuracy of her work. same w women and men getting angry/upset when we are emotional That doesn't make what I said wrong. Do not change the discussion to be about how men respond to women. We are talking about how women respond to men. i am not sure i believe you are serious? Absolutely serious. You can learn to be your own therapist from some of the top professionals…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 04:32 PM
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This has nothing to do with people selling the red pill. Purely by definition of the red pill here. The red pill describes the world and the people in it. For instance in evolutionary biology we learn that men tend to survive through physical prowess and women survive through social prowess. Thus they become quite skilled at manipulating men to get what they want. They are presumed virtuous and they take advantage of weak men who do not understand female nature. For hard statistics, most women l…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 04:27 PM
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I am not arguing - you are. And you are grasping at straws.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 04:23 PM
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Stoicism is a pillar of the red pill. The entire field of stoicism is how. You are quoting brene brown here and are arguing with her research. Sorry, but I really do not care what you think in this regard. Every man has been bitten by being vulnerable and women getting angry/upset. Personally I've been dumped by several women whom I tested vulnerability against. Its an absolute fact. Even with my current SO I would test being vulnerable and watch how insecure she got. can help him figure out how…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/23 11:14 PM
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It may be more clear to phrase it in that way but that does not make the original statement wrong. It makes it less clear than phrasing it a different way. But again, you are changing the argument to be about phrasing. Sure - it could be improved. But that does not change the message.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/23 10:59 PM
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But I don't think men are taught how to integrate their emotions at all. That's why they have more outburts and are less able to tolerate distress like someone crying than women are We aren't talking about most men, we are talking about red pill and red pill men. Most men aren't red pilled. The red pill teaches men how to deal with their emotions. It teaches emotional intelligence. yes that sounds like a great path for men to go down, I fully support it. Good - then you are red pilled in this wa…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/23 10:44 PM
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OK so you are changing the argument in a different way: asking how fallacies could be codified into feminism When its the behaviour of feminists that I am talking about. Not some academic description. Which you expertly provided evidence for - Thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/23 10:37 PM
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For instance this is social manipulation. You just attempted to discredit what I said by changing the topic to be about what is taught in gender studies classes.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/23 10:18 PM
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rock = passively sitting there and not being emotional (because you repress your emotions) First off- you say repress. Rather its having the emotional intelligence to integrate emotions. Through various strategies - breathing, shadow work, emotion integration, perspective, etc. Being stoic is being emotionally intelligent - not emotionally daft. Secondly - being a rock also encompasses being something hard for her to lean on. Sure avoidance may be related, but also if women are generally anxious…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/23 10:15 PM
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All women can. Men just suck. Every time a woman has said that she couldn't I proved her wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/23 10:05 PM
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It actually probably helped. Social proof & mate choice copying. Also you probably have more experience so will be better sexually, which is a huge +
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/23 10:04 PM
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This is called dread, and only happens when women date out of their league (most women try). If a woman dated on her level she wouldn't feel that anxiety. Unfortunately its that anxiety that women chase.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/23 10:01 PM
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Thats why the red pill teaches men how women manipulate men.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/23 10:00 PM
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Its called lust. They feel lust which is 'the spark'
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/23 09:58 PM
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Its polarity. Women are emotional men are rational. He can spot your social manipulation and if hes not a cuck will call you out on it - which is highly attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/23 09:55 PM
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Explain how they are mutually exclusive and being a rock is not being emotionally supportive. It sounds like you just have a diff idea of what being a rock means in regards to the red pill. Its common to be repulsed by people who require energy. Neediness gives women the ick just like it gives men the ick. Anger is appropriate. a person who uses their strength relative to others in the community to make vulnerable people feel safe to be themselves Thats literally what being a rock is...
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/23 09:51 PM
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They are testing to see if you can spot their social manipulation. Call them out next time and see what happens. They will blow up, don't back down. Then they get the tingles.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/23 09:46 PM
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They gaslight - pure and simple. Its the feminist agenda - use social manipulation to take control of society.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/23 09:44 PM
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Its inherited family trauma. Your parents probably sucked at intimacy, so you are uncomfortable and insecure around it. You never learned how to flirt, never saw people succesfully flirting, and so flirting makes you uncomfortable because it breeds anxiety and strong emotions. Its a lot of trauma. Pretty easy to solve though - learn how to flirt, learn body language to know when to flirt, and practice flirting.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/23 09:34 PM
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A lot of red pill teachings teach men to behave in a fatherly way. In a strong masculine way that comes across as a father figure. Its attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/23 09:32 PM
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And the way they do that is using what is between their legs.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/23 09:31 PM
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My experience was I got pilled and then went from virgin to having to sort through the trash of very damaged trash women who were all throwing themselves at me.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/23 09:22 PM
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You have toxic shame around intimacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/23 09:20 PM
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What Pill do you identify with? Red Where did you learn about that particular philosophy? Youtube, reddit, male spaces in one sentence, what are the main tenets of your pill philosophy? Be the best you can be How much do you identity with it? i.e. is it 100% of your focus, do you barely think about it, or somewhere in between? 100% In what real world, tangible ways has belief in your Pill improved your life? I went from being a virgin at 30 to having many options. I found a wonderful long term p…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/23 09:18 PM
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Yes, feminism has turned into a cesspool of hate, manipulation, and argumentative fallacies. The women who follow it are very skilled at social manipulation.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/23 09:11 PM
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TRP teaches you to be the best you can be. So if you were pilled and a virgin you would learn how to pleasure a woman. Read books like she comes first, watch youtubers like kaitlyn V. Do kegels abd reverse kegels. Practice thrusting technique with a fleshlight. Watch sex guides on porn hub. My first experience as a former virgin I got a woman to orgasm. Just with fingers because i understood how to finger a woman. I read she came first and understood exactly how to hit the g spot, stimulate the …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/23 09:02 PM
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Duh, women speak indirectly. also 'not my type' is also 'you are too ugly to date me'.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/23 08:58 PM
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If a woman is being bitchy, I have a natural reaction to ignore her because she is insecure. However if you don't speak up in a relationship and stand up for yourself it hurts womens attraction to you. All women I have dated have shit tested in this way. Thrown insults, been mean, etc. If you just take it and don't call her out its bad news.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/23 08:57 PM
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The masculinity part of women are children is to be their rock. Women need emotional support. They need help talking through and dealing with their emotions. So rather than get angry at them for having outbursts, the masculine would support the person who has outbursts much like they would support a child. Any man who has ever dated a woman has experience with womens emotional nature. woman gets emotional -> man gets angry -> woman feels unheard, unsupported, unloved. woman gets emotional -> man…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/23 08:55 PM
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Thats the plan, found a keeper
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 02:09 PM
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but i did the experience with them and it only reinforced what i learned, wat do
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 02:09 PM
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Got pilled, got attention from le females, wat do?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 02:05 PM
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Yep. It's just a convenient way to discredit red pillers in general. Its a fallacy and complete delusion of course, but then again, that's just how people argue against the red pill on this subreddit. They can convince enough weak people through their use of social manipulation because quite frankly most people aren't smart enough to spot it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 12:15 AM
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I think most redpillers would love to live in those distopias because they will finally feel like they have power over women and will show them their place. Why do you think that? I don't think most red pillers even want a traditional stay at home mom. You are confusing tradcon's with the red pill. The red pill is merely truths about the world we live in. There may be studies that show women at home are happier, but the conclusion that women should stay at home is not red pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/23 10:35 PM
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The worst is women are not held accountable for virtue signalling. Collectively they form and echo chamber and no one calls them out for being inauthentic. Its a huge shame in our society. Lots of weak men.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/23 10:12 PM
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First off, you say the data is just swipe left and swipe right. However the OKCupid study says this: As you can see from the gray line, women rate an incredible 80% of guys as worse-looking than medium. Very harsh. On the other hand, when it comes to actual messaging, women shift their expectations only just slightly ahead of the curve, which is a healthier pattern than guys’ pursuing the all-but-unattainable. But with the basic ratings so out-of-whack, the two curves together suggest some stran…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/23 09:55 PM
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yes there is other influences that are not being controlled for, that doesn't mean that the conlusion is wrong. We haven't discussed the relative influence of the attributes in swipe left swipe right. And other studies looked at face ratings and rating men and found women will rate men low in attractiveness until such a point they get to know them, then they rate men in similar proportion as men rate women. These studies found that men rate women fairly according to their attractiveness at first…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/23 09:01 PM
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If mens profiles are overall worse, they will still be rated according to eachother. The distribution will look the same because its reasonable to assume that the average photo and profile quality will be consistent. There are other studies that just did rating faces and weren't on dating apps.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/23 08:48 PM
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I provided several examples, sex 7 times being a false choice is not relevant. The point is too much of a good thing is not appreciated. The right amount is. I agree that certain women will prefer more or less attention. For example if I can't speak to someone for a while due to being busy that's completely fine as long as my partner knows where I stand with him/ her So what are you even arguing. I suggested perfectly reasonable things like going to the gym, hanging out with the boys, working, f…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/23 08:44 PM
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You mean that using objective data of women effectively rating the attractiveness of men on dating apps is a gross extrapolation and a misinterpretation? https://www.eviemagazine.com/post/women-more-selective-80-men-unattractive-on-dating-apps-recent-research The data shows how women behave when no one is looking over their shoulder. Or so they thought. You are wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/23 08:18 PM
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lol, educate yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/23 07:56 PM
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they're more sensitive to negative emotions Have you considered that their increased sensitivity to the anxiety of you being away from her makes her more attracted to you & desire you more. Both in the time you spend together and the time you are intimate with each other? I don't believe inducing negative feelings of uncertainty, insecurity , disposability makes women like you more. That's more of a power game. It's about having the upper hand and trying to gain control You may not believe but i…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/23 07:16 PM
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Those romance novels are part of the problem. Every man who has tried to be that obsessed guy has gotten rejected. It turns women off and gives them the ick. Why? Because that man is overly invested before the woman is. On average men fall in love after 6 dates and for women its 11. That means for 6 dates a man has to hide it on average. Why? because women will think it is wierd that the man is over attached. It means that he has no other options, and puts her off. That romance obsession gives w…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/23 05:57 PM
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That is the point the OP is making, that men and women treat attention differently. The red pill teaches men that women tend to fall in love in time apart. When a woman is away from her man she will think about him, what he is up to, is he cheating on her, etc. Meanwhile a man who is always in her face comes across as needy, insecure, and needing a mommy. Yes it does differ from person to person, but the grand trend is that spending time away from a woman tends to be a good thing in regards to a…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/23 05:15 PM
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What is misogynistic about the red pill?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/23 04:44 PM
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There is 107 men to 100 women, so 7 men will die alone no matter what. 5.25% is not surprising since women rate 80% of men <5, as i am sure if you added up the rates of autism, body irregularities, down symdrome, and other ailments that make a man undateable it would be much higher than 5.25%. So 5.25% feels low.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/23 04:42 PM
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Simps do irreparable damage to women. They provide them with false validation, raise their expectations, teach them that they are hot shit for just existing. Simps are revolting and one of the largest issues in M/F dynamics. Weak men are worse than women. Women just take advantage of weak men because weak men allow it. Everyone will take what they are given for free, its human nature. Simps are a massive issue, and our woke virtue signalling culture breeds simps like rabbits fuck.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/23 04:40 PM
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Like I’m happy for you, but that’s not it Are you assuming that my experience after the first week changed or something?! Like I do not understand how you can remotely believe I just got a ton of sexual experiences and then stopped getting them. Why are you even arguing what constitutes a lot of casual sex? That distinction doesn't even matter. The fact is women did not show interest until I got fit and muscular, and then when I did they threw their vaginas at me. Of course those men don't have …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/23 11:23 PM
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Women being single for life at higher rates has nothing to do with the fact that simps will raise another womans children for pussy. It just means that there are less simps than required
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/23 10:36 PM
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That the brain is good at identifying body language cues and creating an emotional response.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/23 10:33 PM
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other than the amount of light entering their eyes Then why do drugs cause peoples eyes to dilate? Do you know what oxytocin is?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/23 10:32 PM
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Lol you totally have had the staring experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/23 10:31 PM
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The vast majority of men I know who are attractive, wealthy, and successful are in long term relationships Therefore they are out of the dating market and are not relevant to those who are dating. You having multiple sexual experiences is not having tons of casual sex Yes it is. That is what having tons of casual sex is - multiple sexual experiences in a short time. Are you all put together? The fact is that if you are a man and you get yourself in that top echelon (I was a tech worker, multi si…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/23 10:28 PM
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Women do not want to hurt others so become inauthentic when offering advice. Basically, saying 'you are ugly' could lead them to get physically attacked, so they say some blue pill garbage.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/23 10:21 PM
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Its because womens hypergamy shifts from looks to status as they age. Younger women literally just want a hot guy. When they age, they want a hot guy (but less hot than before because they have aged) who has status.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/23 10:15 PM
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Its because most guys are frustrated at getting ghosted on apps for years.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/23 10:06 PM
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You can read the book open her and the book models for this. I'd start with models.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/23 10:03 PM
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Its not all hot people. Its men at the top getting all of the women. There is a subset of hypersexual women, but most women with low counts are also participating, just seldom and only with those men. I know because I went from being not in that group to being in that group. I went from basically never being messaged once in 4 years to javing 8 dates scheduled within 1 week of updating my photos and multiple sexual experiences as a former virgin. Its 100% happening.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/23 09:58 PM
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Yes because simps will be OK getting cucked if they get pussy occasionally.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/23 09:53 PM
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Men your age have been conditioned to never approach or speak to women Men your moms age have not.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/23 09:52 PM
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Such as doing something creepy through body language (staring perhaps?)
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/23 09:26 PM
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So you have never thought a man was creepy?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/23 09:20 PM
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Maybe But our brain can process body language cues like that very well. It def prob put him off, he wouldn't consciously know why but he would. You get the ick when you look at certain men. Do you know why?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/23 08:59 PM
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Dilated pupils are a sign of love/attraction/lust. The doctor would see that she was attracted to him, but without any prior relationship that would be off putting. Its actually a really good way of identifying if your partner actually loves you. Just look at their pupils. If they are not dilated - move on!
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/23 07:30 PM
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Women have changed, so women no longer look at their mothers respectfully. They resent the traditional woman. So they go against their mothers advice passed down for generations and generations and make poor choices in men.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/23 07:27 PM
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Lets look at how women who make more money than their man behave - they become resentful and divorce at higher rates.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/23 07:23 PM
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You are saying if you project being needy, women will feel that you require energy and get the ick. They mirror your own insecurity for validation by getting the ick (feeling insecure about you).
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/23 05:42 PM
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You are talking about mirroring. Women follow men lead. If a man is comfortable, confident, women pick up on that and mirror. Both genders mirror, but women are much more likely to mirror others around them.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/23 05:34 PM
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Yes. Our positive virtue signalling society is not genuine, and it is this in-authenticity that in particular greatly affects men and male/female dynamics. We need to shame and peer pressure eachother.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/23 05:10 PM
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Yes - their standards were so high that all the men got left single for 2 decades. They didn't learn the skills to be in a relationship or even be relationship material. They suffered. Now its too late for both parties.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/23 01:19 AM
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I know several who claim that it doesn't. You are being truthful in appearance, and I applaud you for that. However that is not the blue pilled norm.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/23 12:39 AM
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Who invented the concept of working out is irrelevant. You are red pilled. You have been taught the reasons why working out is important. Therefore you work out. Those reasons why are literally the red pill. Blue pilled people working out all the time also does not invalidate what I said. You can be unaware of the red pill and still follow red pill ideals. I think the issue you have is being labeled as being red pilled in this way. But by definition you and your husband are.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/23 12:37 AM
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I would argue that the blue pill concepts that are true, are also red pill concepts. Because fundamentally the red pill consists of facts about the world we live in and the people in it. What is true in the blue pill is inherently true in the red pill. I disagree that there is only some truth to red pill concepts. By definition if a concept is not true it is not red pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 11:53 PM
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My anecdotal evidence was I got ghosted for years, unable to get a single date till I was 30. Hit the gym, and had many dates. Its literal evidence of the black pill and looks based red pill because I had 10+ years to back it up.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 11:35 PM
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Yes they do. They do so subconsciously in the reptilian part of the brain.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 10:55 PM
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Capable yes, but you also make the assumption these are cultural and not biological. That distinction has not been made, nor the relative influence of each.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 10:49 PM
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No, its actually very masculine. Most women cannot even figure out where they want to go for dinner and you are actively taking your husband out on the rollercoaster of fun. Leading in that way is certainly a masculine role.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 10:38 PM
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Admittedly women like you are very rare. Also this is polarity. He is taking a feminine role and you are talking a masculine role here. It works because of the polarity.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 10:00 PM
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Those tendencies are gendered.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 09:47 PM
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Yes it does. The red pill teaches all facts of our existence. Anything that describes a truth to our world of the people in it is red pill. That is what taking the red pill is - opening your eyes to how the world works at a fundamental level.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 09:45 PM
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I think you should make a new account Intellect6999 for that one, because how people behave is simply a part of human nature. The red pill teaches how people behave, but its just a subset.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 09:39 PM
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Good, that means you are hard red pilled. You are learning everything you can about the world around you and have reached a higher level of perception. You can see that it is not black and white and there is gray everywhere. Once you have learned everything you can you can make your own informed decisions. fundamentally becoming a red pilled man is opening your eyes to world, gaining a higher level of perception on the world and the behaviors of people.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 09:37 PM
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I think you incorrectly believe them to be mutually exclusive. A concept can both be red pill and blue pill. Or common general advice and red pill. Its still red pill though as well, and that is important. All of this is just set theory. The red pill encompasses all truths of our existence. That is what the red pill is. It is knowledge. Anything that describes the world that we live in is red pill. Literally unplugging yourself from the matrix and describing the world how it is. The facts, the t…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 09:32 PM
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Among other things, such as the ones you described. The red pill is about being the best you can be to live a fulfilling life. You points #1 #2 and #3 are all 'red pill' reasons why working out is important to live a healthy and fulfilling life. There is just a bunch of other reasons. Men and women will have their own reasons and their own relative value for each reason. For lonely single men, sure, they may prioritize improving physique. But the red pill reason for going to the gym is still all…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 09:15 PM
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Those are the same reasons why red pillers work out. They just also acknowledge that it improves their relationships because the data says it does.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 09:10 PM
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Just red pilled. I find PUA disgusting.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 09:08 PM
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I think we have to define 'nice'. Being a person that other people like being around is a better way to describe it. Both advocate for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 09:06 PM
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are nice, charming and romantic And this coincides with the red pill. The red pill teaches men what nice, charming, and romantic is. Its called game.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 09:04 PM
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So you are red pilled, and actually a bit black pilled too. There is a lot of cross over between the black pill and looks part of the red pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 09:03 PM
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I think the blue pill represents what a mother would say to their child so that their child would not get hurt. The blue pill believes i think are false are the ones that are demonstrably false. Such as looks mattering because mate selection studies show that they do. A blue piller would say they do not, which is false. From a personal level I do not believe coddling is conducive or helpful, so anything about the blue pill that lies to the person to prevent them from getting hurt by the truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 08:59 PM
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Any man who has gone to the gym is red pilled in that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 08:51 PM
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Thats fair. The distinction 'all' hardly matters. Generalizations are perfectly acceptable.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 08:50 PM
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and not really…. the reason why people align it with toxic masculinity is because redpill voices actively encourage toxic behavior correcting that for you - influencers encourage toxic behavior and voice red pill views. You are again associating the words of people that say red pill things with the red pill, which is exactly my point. Most arguments here against the red pill are based purely on argumentative fallacies. I agree those people are awful. I think Rollo is actually pretty smart, but h…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 08:48 PM
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That is completely fair. You can view womens hypergamy however you wish from your life experience. You originally said that not all women were hypergamous and now you say all women are so our discussion is over.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 08:43 PM
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Yes, in different ways. That doesn't mean that women are not hypergamous. For instance men want a woman who is more feminine than they are. That is mens hypergamy for seeking a feminine partner who will be better at raising children.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 08:36 PM
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That does not discount the fact that women are hypergamous.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 08:33 PM
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Stating women are hypergamous does not state that they are not homogamous. Its not rational to believe the distinction matters. These are not mutually exclusive things.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 08:27 PM
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Yes but it was moot, the OG argument was that women are hypergamous and you have agreed to that.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 08:20 PM
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I absolutely agree with that. and I do agree that which traits are hypergamous and which are homogamous shifts over time.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 08:18 PM
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"oh they are hypergamous in everything." I did not say this. The length of the relationship being longer in equal couples does not discount hypergamy. It shows that equal couples are healthier. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOA43CzHfgA A mix of the two is still hypergamous. What are you even arguing?!
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 08:13 PM
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You never hear the take the two are different because you come from the lens of people biased against the red pill. They use social manipulation to convince people of their view. Women are exceptionally good at social manipulation, and thus you see a lot of fallicious arguments about the red pill that cloud the truth. Women do not like the red pill because it raises data that sheds women in a bad light - so women attack it. It is very convenient for people who deny the red pill by using social m…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 08:08 PM
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That's not it. Its's because women's hormones change from early in life to later in life therefore their attraction also changes. All you are saying here is that womens hypergamy is observed to change over the course of their lives. The hormonal influence though interesting does not change this.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 08:00 PM
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The red pill merely describes female nature. It does not cast the behaviour as inferior. People do that. Also, one form of emotional intelligence which most people fail to learn is placing blame. The red pill invokes strong emotions in people, because some of the truths are difficult to hear. People hear this truth, feel uncomfortable, and blame the red pill for making them feel uncomfortable. Thus they demonize the red pill. This is an argumentative fallacy and people (esp women) need to be mor…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 07:58 PM
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So I don't agree with the notion that women are hypergamous in everything, I think its on some traits and homogamous on other traits. Sure there may be a distinction between the relative value women place on each attribute. However thats not the discussion. When you look at how women behave they overwhelmingly party with chad in their 20s and settle down in their 30s. Basically they prioritize looks over status early in life and then prioritize status and still looks but less so later in life (h…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 07:53 PM
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without the manipulation and misogyny though This is true, but what does manipulation and misogyny have to do with the red pill? redpill influencer/teacher/guru goes on and on about the inferiority of women The people who teach red pill things also teach non red pill things. That does not make everything they say red pill. Alexander Grace is a great example.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 07:47 PM
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Yes you believe in associative mating, while disregarding hypergamy entirely.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 07:45 PM
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The red pill is about self improvement. Learning seduction is just one way the red pill advocates for self improvement, because being socially skilled with women is a valuable skill to learn. Its also only one small subset of the red pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 07:37 PM
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Every single man who goes to the gym is red pilled in that way. By saying he doesn't know any red pillers means you are saying that men who go to the gym do not get married.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 07:35 PM
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So what you are saying is that your issue is entirely with shitty men that take advantage of women and not with the red pill at all?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 07:32 PM
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We aren't arguing if these things are objective or subjective. We are saying they are good things for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 07:28 PM
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Agreed. Small sample size makes it not very compelling
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 07:21 PM
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I do not disagree, how does that relate to the red pill?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 07:21 PM
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If you ever are curious - here is a good summary. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFaJ6AROXjQ Looks, status, game. Improve these three and you will succeed. Improve your physique and appearance. Improve your career and financial earning ability. Improve your social skills (from casual conversation to seduction). None of these are bad things, and this is what the red pill promotes. So its truly a shame when people come here shitting on the red pill because by doing so they hurt the people who nee…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 06:35 PM
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mhmm, prime example is anyone who has ever used the word incel
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 06:28 PM
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Yes, the red pill motto is basically be the best you can be so that you can achieve the outcomes you want in life. It can come across pessimistic because some of it relates to divorce statistics etc, and collides a bit with MGTOW in that regard. But the red pill is about self improvement and self improvement is an optimistic approach to life. If you think the red pill is not optimistic then you do not understand what the red pill even is.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 05:53 PM
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The "red pill" doesn't own going to the gym, lol. You are changing my words. that is not what I said. By definition if a man goes to the gym, he follows the red pill in that way. It doesn't matter if he is even aware of what the red pill even is. He still follows it in that way. No. Yes, you learned seduction and attraction. Do you even know what the red pill is?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 05:47 PM
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Most men who are successful with women are inherently red pilled. Every single guy who has gone to the gym is red pilled at least in that way. By definition if you have attracted a woman and kept her you have learned and implemented that part of the red pill. The oldest child in the house is not red pill. Thats someone elses words.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 05:29 PM
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This exists, its called a prenup.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 05:19 PM
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I have spoken at length about a lot of red pill topics with men in my life that aren't red pilled. Any man who has ever interacted with a woman for a significant period of time or been in a relationship understands innately many red pill concepts especially around female behaviour and the expectations of men. So I think a lot less men that would consider themselves blue pilled are actually blue pilled. Just don't want to label themselves as red pilled or don't care.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 05:17 PM
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Indeed. After doing it I do not actually think it was hard, but it requires a higher level understanding of how the world works at a macro level. There are tons of opportunities everywhere most people just lack the discipline, motivation, drive, and choose to remain ignorant.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 05:14 PM
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Indeed. Do not listen to what women say, observe how they behave.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 05:11 PM
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I have escaped the rat race :shrug:
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 05:10 PM
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I did not really intend to say they are virgins because they are pessimistic. But they are pessimistic and are virgins at 2x the rate. I clarified after Id wager black pillers identified as such don't have many options because they learned the hard way how important looks are, and the fact that they are virgins at 2x the rate proves credence to the black pill as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 04:54 PM
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Yep, which means if you are black pilled you likely learned the hard way how important looks are. And you are more likely to be a virgin because you aren't attractive. You missed blue+purple. The hard #'s are not really relevant though. Its a small sample size and we would need to take into account the ratio of blue to reds to compare them. They look relatively equal when you account for r+p and b+p
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 04:52 PM
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Lust is a powerful emotion. Women like to say spark, but really that is just lust.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 04:43 PM
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So we see that the most virgins are those who are pessimistic (black pillers), and we see a relatively even distribution between blue/purple and red/purple. Which is about half the rate of black. Since both blue and red are optimistic pills, we conclude that if you are pessimistic you are 2x more likely to be a virgin if you are black pilled Id wager black pillers identified as such don't have many options because they learned the hard way how important looks are, and the fact that they are virg…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 04:39 PM
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So its just a small sample size and we cannot get data on it. That is fair I do find it funny that there are almost no blue pilled men. Because I can talk to my dad about red pill topics and he can always phrase red pill theories in his own words without me giving any hints. He learned it the hard way over his 65 years of being a male and interacting with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 04:33 PM
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In the data they can filter out women, because they showed graphs filtering out men.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 04:30 PM
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I would love to see the breakdown of virgin by pill type. I would wager that there are more relative blue pilled virgins than red pilled ones. I see time and time again from posters here that these blue pilled idiots get red pilled, and then get laid because shocker - the red pill accurately depicts attraction and how to become attractive to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 04:24 PM
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In my experience women get really frustrated at the topic of finances. Because lives were easy for them they are less likely to go through the paces to become financially literate. They much prefer just going to a money manager and having them deal with it. So while they are able, they typically don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 04:20 PM
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Doing gods work. Don't let the haters stop your mission. I post for similar reasons. Educate naive woke blue pillers and call them out for their ignorant virtue signalling.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 04:19 PM
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Also its typical brother-sister behavior, which a lot of women really like. Teasing is attractive. It shows you are not a simp.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 04:12 PM
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Why did you bring up hook up culture? How is it relevant
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 04:09 PM
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Get rich or die trying. The only real way to compensate for a low SMV is real world success. Or go overseas.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 04:04 PM
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Likely because she is insecure about not being a good person, so thinks she needs to compensate by lying to people and being inauthentic. Often this is a result of trauma, such as abandonment wounds. Some of the symptoms are a need to get your needs met by others, so because these people did not have their needs met (abandoned) they think that if they are a better person or appear like a better person they will get their needs met.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 04:02 PM
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They are red pilled. Most of these dudes follow the red pill to a T they just learned it through other ways (father, brothers, friends, observation).
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 03:45 PM
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How do you know they dont lose attraction? are you aware of their sex life and how often they have it. Sometimes women start to become controlling. They put a whole bunch of roadblocks and gatekeep access to sex. The man must do x,y,z and is rewarded with sex. If he fails, or doesn't listen, he gets no sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 03:43 PM
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Every woman I have met has wanted the spark. Being good at seduction generates that spark. Once I learned seduction, I found women were incredibly receptive and felt like I just understood what they wanted. Seduction is not a bad thing. Its a good thing. Men are the romantic ones in a relationship and men who are bad at being romantic is worse for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 03:36 PM
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The red pill teaches them how to not be socially autistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 03:35 PM
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Women expect pick up artist levels of seduction. I remember i dated a girl, and I used the escalation ladder at even a slightly delayed pace, and she still told me I went too slow. That means the men she was meeting before me were doing the escalation ladder on hyperspeed.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 12:31 AM
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There are people in this sub that hate women, that does not mean the red pill teaches them that or leads them to hate women. In fact i'd wager that the red pill teaches men to love women. It teaches them how to provide both parties what they need to know to live a fulfilling life.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 12:23 AM
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Unfortunately because a large portion of women have been alpha widowed, a good man must learn seduction as good as a sexual predator to save one good woman from said predators. edit: I disagree with abhorrent. I think PUA tactics pull a lot from the red pill, but the red pill isn't inherently abhorrent. The read pill teaches all truths in life, like how attaction works. Its up to the man and his values to use that knowledge how he sees fit.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 12:12 AM
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People generally do not care about things that do not affect them. They have a partner, so they do not see how the dating market is right now. Thus they see the desire for their input as requiring energy. They are lazy and do not want to apply critical thinking or give energy so they downplay the issues. Its no different from starvation in Africa to environmental issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 12:10 AM
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You asked for confirmation bias and pseudo science.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 11:59 PM
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No I said in my experience the red pill accurately described female behaviour in all cases
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 11:45 PM
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I think that a lot of men are indirectly red pilled, either through teachings by their father or by life experience. They are not formally red pillers but they understand it enough and act on it. For instance every man who hits the gym and get fit follows the red pill at least in that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 11:33 PM
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they are, testosterone is what makes men loyal and they have 20x more than woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 11:28 PM
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Different traits have different values in dif contexts. For instance looks are more important for LTRs than short term for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 11:25 PM
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In my experience the red pill accurately described female behaviour in all cases.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 11:24 PM
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Looks are a bigger deal for LTR's, and women tend to not want those until later. So are more forgiving when they are younger. They also haven't learned their value yet.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 11:22 PM
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the red pill wins again. congrats dude!
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 11:21 PM
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the irony.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 11:17 PM
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i remember when I got pilled I had 8 dates scheduled within two weeks of changing my photos. Getting women was easy. Get out of here with your no experience bs. Of course he gets women, he had 10 million dollars in cars in his drive way.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 11:15 PM
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lol he literally has a harem.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 11:11 PM
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My experience dating women after becoming red pilled is that the red pill is factual. It accurately describes female behavior and male/female dynamics. I tested many theories against the women I was dating and came to the conclusion that it is facts.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 11:10 PM
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It doesn't matter what she told him, she told me a month before that she had an IUD. So there is a 99.7% chance that she was lying because she got pregnant. I also told you I spoke to her. We left on good terms. She told me she was pregnant and then I talked to her about her baby daddy. Well through my questioning I came to the conclusion that she baby trapped him based off what she said.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 10:51 PM
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But I can have a lot of confidence in that, over 97%. You are making a fallicious argument again. Yes there is risk, but he made that choice assuming the risk was lower than it was when compared to not using contraception at all. Because she lied he was not able to make an informed decision. I am on a form of birth control, will you have sex without a condom, they are 99% effective from year to year. vs I am not on a form of birth control, will you have sex without a condom, there is a significa…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 10:33 PM
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He did know full well. But he was under the assumption that the risk of pregnancy was less than it actually was, likely because she lied.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 10:26 PM
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Yes he did choose to have sex. He did not agree to have a child. He is accountable for that child. I never said men are not responsible. I agreed with you that he is. So what are you trying to say? The fact is she baby trapped him and he is responsible.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 10:20 PM
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Do you hear yourself? If there is a 99.7% chance that she lied then she took advantage of him 99.7% of the time. You are .3% correct. Your statement only applies when she was not taking advantage of him and it was an IUD failure, which is exceedingly rare. I love it that when women do not have an argument, they resort to mutual waste time game (which you projected that's what you were doing by saying you have all day). As if wasting my time will give you any sort of respite. I think it will mere…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 10:08 PM
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You can play the mutual waste time game all you want. That doesn't change the fact that she is in the wrong here.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 09:58 PM
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He is taking responsibility, thats the shitty part. He never would have had to if she didn't manipulate him into having a child with her.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 09:53 PM
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Of course. It hurts to see a man get stuck paying child support for 18 years when he got used for his sperm.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 09:45 PM
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The more you interact with women the more you validate the red pill. Its in fact because of the exposure we have "assumptions" (I would wager 'experience' is more relevant)
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 09:37 PM
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Not coddle, he made his choice. I just feel bad for him. I never mentioned how accountable he is. I have only spoken about her accountability. For reference I do believe he is at fault, as he made the mistake of trusting a low quality woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 09:32 PM
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I love women - they're like children. A muse. Now you are trying to manipulate by saying you never intended to invalidate my argument by saying I don't know. You're trying to avoid accountability for using an argumentative fallacy by changing the history of events. You are manipulating more by trying to argue that all you did was state a fact. Be more self aware here. In a thread about how women manipulate you manipulate. Peak PPD irony.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 09:25 PM
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The argumentative fallacy the facts are used for is manipulation. And women manipulate. Like she did to have a child.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 09:17 PM
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Yes, because I understand how women manipulate in arguments. I know the red pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 09:14 PM
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The Argument from Ignorance (also, Argumentum ad Ignorantiam): The fallacy that since we don’t know (or can never know, or cannot prove) whether a claim is true or false, it must be false, or it must be true. E.g., “Scientists are never going to be able to positively prove their crazy theory that humans evolved from other creatures, because we weren't there to see it! So, that proves the Genesis six-day creation account is literally true as written!” This fallacy includes
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 09:09 PM
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Me being a mysogynst or not is not relevant to the argument. It is completely reasonable to use statistics to make an informed decision. In this case the statistics say it is reasonable to assume she lied.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 09:04 PM
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We aren't arguing if I know for sure or not. We are arguing if she baby trapped him, and the statistics say its incredibly likely.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 08:54 PM
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Its red pill, just not complete. Its forgetting the part where if you succeed at your mission you can escape the rat race.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 08:52 PM
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I don't need to know what she told him. She told me she had one and then she got pregnant two weeks after I dumped her with some random guy from her past. The fact is the chance that she had an IUD is small. Her behaviour indicated to me that she was really desperate for children. I spoke to her about the father of her child and came to the conclusion that she used him and was speaking to me to feel better about that. I am not assuming she lied. I am saying it is statistically likely she lied. O…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 08:47 PM
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Mate selection studies show women treat looks as a dealbreaker. A direct quote is that there exists a looks threshhold that must be crossed before a woman will consider any other attribute in the male partner. This is even more important for LTR than short term relationships. The data doesn't like. The person you spoke to was virtue signalling to appear like she was a better person than she actually was. She gaslight you into believing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 08:44 PM
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A woman who likely told him what she told me, that she had an IUD. Statistically, there is a 0.27% chance that she was not lying. Yet you assume she is virtuous. That is sexism and misandry.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 08:38 PM
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Only her gyno knows. I did. He didn't, and he got literally screwed by a manipulative independent woman. Feel bad for the guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 08:32 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOA43CzHfgA If you don't settle you will get used and discarded.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 08:29 PM
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Why are you no pill? This is like peak red pill. Literally unplugging yourself from the matrix.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 08:27 PM
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Its not irresponsible. IUD's are 99% effective at protecting against pregnancy over 365 days. If you had sex one day the chance of pregnancy is therefor 1/365 = 0.0027. Getting pregnant within a year of sleeping with someone who apparently has an IUD is already unlikely, but getting pregnant after a single act is even more unlikely. Like 1/100,000++. Because the odds are so close to zero the only conclusion is that she lied about having an IUD.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 08:07 PM
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I do yes. I think that people should plan to have children. Its irrational to have a child with a man who doesn't want it. She did manipulate him, because she lied about being on contraception. After she was riding me and asking me to take my condom off, remembered the things she said about children, about being idependent, I bolted. To many red flags, and unfortunately this guy trusted her because he knew her for a long time.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 07:56 PM
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In fact the manosphere podcasts have improved my life substantially. Yes they are finishing their education and establishing their careers, so are looking for something different in men. Not beta bob. You just argued for my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 07:48 PM
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A relationship does not have to mean romantic relationship. Whatever relationship they had (casual sex, fwb) was broken when she painted him as the victim and then took his child support money. She was desperate for a child and indicated as such, so when she found a man that would have unprotected sex with she used him to get pregnant. This is where she manipulated him and abused him into hating her so that she could justify having said child and receive support from friends and family.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 07:43 PM
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She manipulated her way out of the relationship in a way that would paint her as the victim and him as the bad person. This is so she could feel better about entrapping a man she was friends with the paycheck to fund her desire to have a child. She was 33 fyi.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 07:22 PM
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She misled him because she wanted to him to get her pregnant, and set up the conditions to do so and then once she got what she wanted she emotionally abused him using various forms of manipulation (such as your „“ quotes are trying to do)
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 07:14 PM
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She misled him therefore it was baby trapping. She then manipulated herself out of the relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 07:10 PM
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Common knowledge here is not relevant. They were not planning on having a child nor was it discussed. Of course sex can lead to pregnancy alas we are not arguing that sex leads to pregnancy. Her actions and demeanour towards this man showed me that her intention was to get pregnant the entire time. So while he thought it was casual sex, she saw it as a paycheck.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 06:37 PM
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And she knew full well it was just casual sex. Ignorance is not an excuse.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 06:33 PM
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She had baby fever. Slept with an old friend after we broke up, who I recall her speaking highly of. Still had a ok relationship with her after. Well she basically manipulated and emotionally abused the guy once she got pregnant, forced him out of the relationship. Then went to all her friends to get validation that she should be a single mom. Basically when she didn't get what she wanted from me and I rejected her, she went straight to the next unforunate guy and is gonna collect child support …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 06:29 PM
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Good - so you agree that what the original poster said is red pill. That is all.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 06:11 PM
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Drinking water and lifting weights are both things that are healthy for you and should be done by every single person. That is your opinion. Einstein never needed to lift weights. He also is probably the most influential physicists in the history of physicists. He also died reportedly a virgin. Either way, we are not arguing if every person should do this. You changed the argument. The red pill teaches the why. The advice to lift weights is just the conclusion. Its a piece of advice generated fr…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 06:09 PM
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As i've said, it can be both common sense and red pill. They are not mutually exclusive. You believe in this part of the red pill (self improvement) and recommend it to men. So at the very least you support the red pill in this way. To disagree is just ridiculous, because by definition you do. So then the only conclusion is that you feel insecure about being associated with red pill values. The reason being psychologically is that you feel that being associated with the red pill would lower your…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 06:03 PM
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No thats not an apt analogy. One piece of life advice to stay alive, drinking water, does not equate to the life advance of self improvement. You are trying to equate drinking water with fundamentally changing your habits, mindset, and belief system, which is ridiculous.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 05:58 PM
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But that advice is literally the foundation of the red pill... So you are saying you promote the foundational aspects of the red pill, but don't like labelling yourself as supporting the red pill because of the connotation?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 05:52 PM
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Because women care about status. They would rather rise up to the status of the higher man, and take part in his lifestyle than lower their status to be with the lesser man. They would rather share and be above than be below and have a low value man to themselves
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 05:44 PM
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My ex baby trapped the guy after me. It was savage. Very lucky to have gotten out of that one.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 05:43 PM
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But we aren't arguing if TRP has author rights. Where the idea came from is not relevant. This is you attempting to discredit what he said with something that though is true (debatable - because blue pill advice often conflicts with it and the blue pill is generally common sense) is not relevant to the discussion at hand. So you have changed the argument to appear like you won the original argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 05:41 PM
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And how is that relevant to the fact that the advice is still red pill?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 05:33 PM
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Being common sense does not invalidate the argument it is part of the red pill. In set theory, you could say that there is a venn diagram consisting of values. These values all fit into the red pill sphere. Which also intersects with common sense. Its still red pill if its common sense. They aren't mutually exclusive.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 05:32 PM
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Womens brains release dopamine when they speak, much more so than men. So they literally get drugged up when you let them talk. You need to really understand how conversations work however, and you need to understand how to lead conversations. A skilled conversationalist can weave and wind conversations into a very fluid and fun experience. They can also guide conversations to the outcomes they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 04:05 PM
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Id wager this sub has a higher rate of sex. Because if you follow the red pill and aren't super ugly you will be attractive to women and sex will come easily
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 04:03 PM
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Vulnerability causes women to feel disgusted. Its never a good idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 04:00 PM
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Its delusion. Some shower thought that wasn't thought through.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 03:58 PM
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If the woman feels that you are below her level, she will look down on you. Women are very status driven, and when a man who shows interest who she feels is beneath her hurts her status. So they will either brutally reject you, talk shit to their friends (label you a creep, etc), seek validation from others that you are not in their league. This is them value signalling to prove to all other mates that she is better than you, in the hopes of attracting a higher value mate. Really good studies on…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 03:45 PM
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Your fallacious arguments. Don't act naive.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 03:31 PM
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I am not removing accountability from men. I am saying that there are shitty men, acknowledging that they exist. And I acknowledge that they harass promiscuously dressed women. Why? because those women appeal to those men. Yes the men are at fault, but you can't walk into the street, get hit by a car, then claim you didn't know that cars drove on the street. Shitty men harass women and treat them like sex objects. Women dress like sex objects then are suprised that they are treated like sex obje…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 03:29 PM
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Changing the topic is an argumentative fallacy. Basically, you changed the argument to appear like you won the original argument. I have no interest in talking about other topics.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 07:38 PM
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The why is evolutionary biology. I am programmed to feel this way in my DNA.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 07:22 PM
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Thats a different argument entirely. We are not talking about men getting women into bed. Attracting shitty men by dressing slutty is just a fact of life. A man who has limited control of his actions, has no consideration for other people, ie a shitty man will act on a woman dressing too slutty. The women choose to dress slutty and then try to cry wolf that they attract the men who like when women dress slutty. We live in a society and our society realities. Such as the reality that shitty men e…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 07:19 PM
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What I said was the reason I am only attracted to one gender. It is entirely relevant to the discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 07:06 PM
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Probably because i called out your social manipulation you are now trying to insinuate what I said is not clear. Now you are feigning ignorance or naivety to avoid accountability or insinuate what I said is gibberish.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 07:04 PM
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It is not equally easy for men and women to find sex. It is much harder for men until a point where it flips, most men do not fall in the second category. This also is not the topic at hand. When women feel safe to be themselves (where it is socially acceptable to show this part of themselves because the 'tribe' of women are doing it) they show how they truly feel without virtue signalling. They are just as shallow and looks based as men (they actually value looks MORE for LTRs). Look and listen…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 06:57 PM
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And that is when women get off chad dick, lower their standards, and settle with beta bob. The men in their 20's who weren't chad and were beta bob have to wait for a decade and a half.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 06:39 PM
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This is well studied from other lenses as well. Basically this is value signalling (not virtue). When a woman is approached by a less attractive man that indirectly means that the man considers himself in her league. She will be cruel to him to the other women around him to 1) Reduce his status 2) validate her own status by receiving support from other women and men. Basically - they shame ugly men for being ugly and then get other people to tell them that is OK. Women care A LOT about their sta…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 06:38 PM
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It doesn't make a difference so my preference is irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 06:31 PM
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Do you know how much sex a male stripper gets? Yes if a man dresses as a prostitute he gets a lot of attention. Just go look at cougar videos with male strippers. They go absolutely wild for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 05:57 PM
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That desperate for intimacy that he goes brown. ​ There are a lot more single and lonely men
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 05:52 PM
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Thats cool and all. However your experience is not the norm and the data shows that. Your experience is not applicable to the general population and therefore you are using an exception makes the rule fallacy. Personal anecdotes need to be treated as anecdotes. Also partnered != with child so you just discarded half your argument and then tried to gain ground with an argumentative fallacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 05:42 PM
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If you dress like a prostitute you will be treated like a prostitute. You are what you attract. The list can go on. In my experience people who talk about how women dress do so in a way that tells the truth of the situation and our society. Shitty men will see a provocatively dressed woman and think she is low value, because she is sexualizing herself like a prostitute does. She has presented herself as a sex object so is treated like one. Women get offended at hearing these facts because it bri…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 05:38 PM
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Because i have physical revulsion to the idea of sleeping with other men. Most men find it disgusting. White knights and simps fight for lgbtq rights. Most men either don't care or are downright disgusted and don't say anything. This is my experience talking to hundreds of more authentic men. I'm totally ok with two women though. Its a double standard but I can't change how I feel about it. I just think of the man as less for being with other men. Like he gave up appealing to womens high standar…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 05:25 PM
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Going to be a lot of very depressed and regretful women over the next decade or two. The data is actually heartbreaking. Our society is basically fucked.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 05:22 PM
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I became chad and I got 'you're a real fucking man', 'you're so handsome'. If your ego is not being fed you just don't do it for her. Look at how she behaves not what she says. If she isn't giving you praise for just existing and being part of her life you really aint it for her Same thing if she doesn't show interest, doesn't want to fuck the daylights out of you, doesn't want to do things for you, doesn't respond right away to messages, doesn't adjust her life to fit yours, doesn't compromise …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 05:04 PM
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Every woman is a pick me by that definition, because of how women compete intrasexually (a la mean girls).
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 05:03 PM
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50% of women over 30 do not have children. You and your friends are a minority.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 05:01 PM
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You offered an argument to say I am wrong and there's my rebuttal. It's definitely relevant Your rebuttal is an argumentative fallacy. We aren't talking about living longer. You are trying to insinuate that its not worth getting flustered about, however we aren't talking about if its not worth getting flustered about. You are being manipulative in your rebuttal. Being nonchalant about taking advantage of someone in a small way does not mean you are not taking advantage of that person. It just me…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 04:59 PM
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You do not understand women. This entire post is garbage. Women want to be treated as sex objects. But only by men they are attracted to. Seeing her as a sex object validates her value to you as a man. It validates her and makes her feel desired. Slap her ass, talk dirty, fondle her boobs, tell her how sexy she looks in that lingerie she put on, tell you cant wait to take off that sweater later. Sext her.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 04:54 PM
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Do you make fun of gamers? I find it really ironic because I have heard girls say they will never date a gamer but they go and sit on the tele for an entire weekend or even year or two of their life.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 04:50 PM
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Thats why the red pill teaches men how to be romantic, how to seduce, how to pleasure.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/23 02:30 PM
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We aren't talking about sex being the goal. We are talking about how women compete against each other. Intra-sexual means between members of the gender, it's not about sex at all. Do you understand? Your response seems to indicate that you do not even know what intrasexual competition is yet are trying to dispute it?!
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 05:54 PM
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I don't know why you are writing a paragraph instead of reading the literature on female intrasexual competition.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 04:12 PM
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Women competing for mates in this way is well studied in psychology. Your opinion isn't really valid here.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 03:51 PM
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But we all live longer if we don't try to make a capital crime out of losing a dollar, right? ​Sure but not relevant to the argument at hand. Offering a drink is in fact showing interest. Accepting a drink is reciprocating that interest. What does the drink facilitate, though? Conversation. Only. ​Yes accepting is reciprocating interest. But read the thread, she has a boyfriend or is not interested already. Therefore she is not reciprocating interest in this case, she is using him for a drink be…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 03:44 PM
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They are ignored by everyone in the dating scene, not just beautiful people. Because they are not attractive they do not get to experience love. It also affects them greatly in all areas of their lives, from interactions with every day people to job opportunities.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 10:39 PM
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Learn how women compete intrasexually. Lots of psychology studies on it. That explains "mean girls". It also explains natural female behavior
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 10:32 PM
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Her feelings will discredit it and she will continue to live in delusion.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 10:26 PM
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You have just made a fallicious argument. The exception does not make the rule. You are attempting to discredit his view on the basis that some men are violent towards women. However this is not the norm.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 10:25 PM
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Not entirely but there are actual PHDs, anthropologists and evolutionary biologist releasing peer-reviewed works as we speak. We would have to pick a particular topic and discuss it. That is too broad of a statement. Much of what Rollo references is peer reviewed. The guy is an encyclopedia for studies on male/female behavior and mate selection. I agree that not everything he says is right, and it is biased. Alas not the discussion at hand. We could pick a particular red pill topic and discuss t…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 10:21 PM
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Rollo Tomassi was a graphic designer prior to his book The work he did prior to writing the book does not discredit the contents of his book. This is an argumentative fallacy - more social manipulation. cherry picked and misquote studies We aren't arguing if his book the rational male is completely accurate. We are arguing about the red pill. Change of topic - another argumentative fallacy. More manipulation Are completely incapable of having a rational conversation. Answer the question and stay…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 10:15 PM
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wasnt talking about cheating. Was talking about relationships lasting longer.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 10:07 PM
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I wasn't talking about cheating. I was talking about succesful relationships. It is true that associative matching does lead to longer relationships. ITs been proven in studies. You don't need to have an opinion of it. I wanted to caution against using that as an argument against things like hypergamy, because its more complicated than that. Both parties are at least content so it works out more often. Also women are usually odler in associative relationships so have been humbled.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 10:06 PM
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This is called he hypergamy and associative mating cycle. Women are hypergamous so seek the best mate. When their environment fails to appeal to their hypergamy they will settle for equivalent, but not less. Such as when they get rejected by higher value men, and lower their standards. Couples end up relatively equal, but that doesn't represent the whole dating market or dating as a whole. Because more people couple that fail relationships than succesful ones who stay together. Its a survivorshi…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 10:03 PM
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The perception is a result of the facts. Sure - but that is changing the topic. More manipulation. Women do receive lower sentences. They are given leniency. They are protected by definition. Ask Rollo Tomassi. More manipulation. You couldn't even answer my question without it. Instead you are trying to use the author of the book The Rational Male to defend not having to provide any argument what so ever (which ironically the book is FULL of statistics and rationality, going against what you say…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 09:53 PM
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I've been in engaging with red pill arguments and rhetoric for the last ten years Can you explain to me the core principles of the red pill? How long you have been arguing it is not relevant. It is cultural perception and judgement in court based of threat to society. Yes, cultural perception and judgement. Which protects women from harsher sentences. By definition women are a protected class at least in this way. It doesn't matter if its cultural perception and cultural judgement of women. They…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 09:31 PM
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Those are because women commit less crimes There is no reason that women should get a more lenient sentence because they commit less crimes. More social manipulation - more redpill fuel. 😂 sorry. Hopefully one day you realize. Why hopefully? You do not understand what the red pill is to even make such a judgement.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 09:22 PM
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How can you argue they are not a protected class? There is actual data that shows that they are. Not opinion based at all in any way. They get more lenient sentences for crimes, they are allowed to have less self control, testosterone makes men want to protect them, they have a social movement which can deflect any and all criticism, they are very socially skilled and aware and are good at getting what they want. Sexism is far less protected compared to racism and homophobia and that's why thing…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 09:07 PM
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33 - 30. Women older than 30 are too baby crazed. They lost their 20s wasting them on shitty men and aren't worth my time. They tend to have a lot more baggage and I can't be bothered. Add to my life or gtfo. Basically the opposite of preselection. If dating in your 20s didn't work as a woman the problem is you. After being red pilled I knew why dating in my 20s was hard, so I have different standards for men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 08:44 PM
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Women are a protected class, and any criticism of female behavior is often repelled on the basis that they weren't privileged in the past, or that the criticism is mysogynist because it highlights a difference between men and women and men and women are supposed to be equals. Basically, women have gaslight society and weak men into believing that women are beyond reproach. Thus the only place you see discussion of negative female behavior is in mens spaces (hence the red pill, which discusses fa…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 08:41 PM
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But then they go and try to shit on the red pill and label it as some mysognyst fest that is pessimistic and cynical. When in fact the red pill is about being the best you can be, and has a positive look on your outcomes if you put in the work. They basically confuse toxic masculinity and mysogynist people with the red pill and red pillers. They confuse the pessimism and cynicism of the black pill with the red pill. Any blue piller who says be the best you can be is saying follow the red pill, b…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 08:27 PM
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Once you become red pilled you wake up to the world. It quite literally is a higher level of perception. You start interacting with women and see that a lot of what goes on in their mind is not based in logic or facts. Its how they feel in the moment. They are relentless and uncaring and unapologetic for their feelings in the moment. The only regret them later. Unfortunately our society is so against limiting what women can say and holding them accountable, so these women learn that it is ok. Th…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 08:23 PM
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What it says is no matter what, he's making way too much over basically nothing This is the equivalent of saying sexual harassment is not a big deal if there is no unwarranted touching. We are not arguing the extent of the infraction here. By definition the infraction has occurred. It is still taking advantage of the man whether its $1, $10, or $100,000. The crime of theft is still theft whether its $1, $10, or $100,000. There may be a harsher sentence, but its still a crime. The man is offering…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 08:12 PM
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Read the thread you are responding to. You are incorrect. You failed to follow the thread. Your response with this kept in mind is so out of touch with reality. By buying a drink you assume that women are not aware of their priviledge and are using it to take advantage of men. You are assuming that a fundamental part of human nature (taking advantage of other people) does not exist in this case. You are assuming the woman is virtuous. This makes you weak, because you cannot see women for how the…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 06:40 PM
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You are so incredibly naive. The woman knows that men will just buy her drinks, so she lets you let her take advantage of you. That makes her a lower quality person end of story. Women learn by the age of 12 that they have sexual power over men. This is one way they use it to gain advantages in life.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 06:36 PM
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We are talking about wasting time here. If she was scoping him out that is by definition not wasting time This is the case where the woman already has a boyfriend. Or has no interest. ie wasting time case. You seriously think its OK for a woman with a boyfriend to accept a drink from another man? Jesus christ you are weak AF.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 06:33 PM
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Thats because you are a simp and you think women deserve free drinks for existing.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 06:32 PM
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It being conditional does not change what it says. That makes no sense. Because if it is the case, its not a lot. So you are saying if this does happen, its not a big deal because the dollar value is not a lot. So what you are saying is that it is more acceptable to do this because its not a lot of money. Which indirectly states you think its okay to take advantage of men (as long as its a small amount). Conditionally it is never OK. Any woman who accepts a drink in this circumstance is taking a…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 06:29 PM
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Psychologists have found that men compete more directly - either through their ability to gather resources, in sport, through war, an arm wrestle, etc. Women compete more indirectly. They try to appear better than others. Its one reason why they virtue signal, its one why they try to pretty themselves, its on reason why they seek high value partners. Many other ways women compete indirectly. Men do this to, but to a lesser extent. They aren't normally interested in competing with women in indire…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 05:08 PM
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Hypergamy extends far beyond resource acquisition. we have been over this.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 03:22 PM
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Shitty men manipulate women, the red pill merely teaches what manipulation is. Shitty men exploit female psychology, the red pill merely teaches men how psychology works. Like it teaches how everything in our world works. It opens a mans eyes to a higher level perception of the world and the people in it. The red pill wakes men up quite literally as described in the matrix. The same things that you say the red pill uses to manipulate and exploit women can also be used to comfort and console them…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 03:21 PM
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So you are saying its okay to use and manipulate men into buying you something if the value of that is low?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 03:16 PM
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No, this is driven by intrasexual competition in women. Please educate yourself on female intrasexual competition before we get into this again. You naive nature is exhausting.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 03:16 PM
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I did have a very hard time with women. I was the fat kid growing up. It made me learn how hard life is at a young age and that set me up for success though. I wouldn't trade it for anything given my current life. It was hard though. And I know other men here are in similar boats, so I like to spend my time teaching them how the world actually works and raise them up. What are you trying to accomplish here?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 03:14 PM
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So you are saying that its okay to use men and manipulate them if the outcome is that it doesn't cost them a lot of money?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 03:12 PM
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She actually demonstrated how women manipulate. She tried to gaslight me into thinking I am doing something wrong, flipped the script to be about me because she didn't like what I said. Once you learn how women argue you will see that they do it in almost every social situation. They leverage social manipulation to keep safe and get the upper hand. Its how they survive. Ironically, showing that you cannot be manipulated by holding firm to your values, having boundaries, and remaining calm is how…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 03:11 PM
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Why do you feel that the dollar value matters?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 11:10 PM
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As if they're entitled to free drinks at a bar just for having a pair of tits LOL.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 11:07 PM
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Are you even aware of who Brene Brown is?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 10:54 PM
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Because women are not stupid and know that buying a drink is showing interest. She is a bad person for accepting the drink. This leads him on and takes advantage of him. A higher quality woman would politely decline and buy her own drink if she had a boyfriend. We are talking about wasting time here. If she was scoping him out that is by definition not wasting time. It is a different argument entirely if she was interested in the beginning and changed her mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 10:35 PM
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Its obviously a fairly shitty thing to do to someone. Such as your comment. Even validating you with a response is not worth...
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 10:03 PM
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Its not that we think its low effort. Its because we know deep down that women choose to wear make up. Psychology studies on intra sexual competition in women prove that it is women driving this. Men honestly do not care about your make up.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 09:47 PM
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She either wasted your time for validation, or you failed to make a connection so she let you down easy. You mentioned action things. How about body language? Thats probably the best indicator of actual interest.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 09:27 PM
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Women choose first, men choose to stick around. What happens is that women get an over abundance of options. Think they are the shit. Never work on themselves. Then find themselves repeatedly single because no man with a 10 foot pole wants to have anything to do with her. They hit it and quit it, or they reject her. Women never seem to understand this dynamic. That although they have choice - they are completely powerless later down the line. So they too must be good enough to hold on to. They d…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 09:21 PM
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It is perfectly reasonable to respond to a comment in a thread about something that was said in that comment. Why are you trying to gatekeep what the comment section in a reddit thread is for?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 09:07 PM
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I never responded to OP. I responded to a comment about the contents of that comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 09:03 PM
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You are the only one who is talking about fiction. I haven't mentioned the thread in the OP at all. Nor was my comment about it at all. Can you elaborate on where you think I am speaking fiction. Or was your comment about TRP and PPD men not about me?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 08:51 PM
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This is a good takeaway to get rid of neediness. Women are very perceptive and spot your desperation. They will test for it. If you are needy it gives them the ick. Women say they want to be chased but in reality the attraction only really develops when they do the chasing. When you stop pedastalizing women and you start doing things like matching energy or having boundaries - they like it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 08:39 PM
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I think she is just projecting her insecurity around having really high standards and being unable to find the man she thinks she deserves.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 08:35 PM
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Where is this assumption coming from? https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Frobcb3ggida81.jpg This is published in the book dataclysm: who we are (when no one is looking). Written by the former CEO of OK Cupid. From what I see men show interest in women linearly according to their attractiveness percentile. Showing a pretty even distribution as women become more attractive. With the exception that men always shoot their shot at more attractive women. Meanwhile - women only s…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 08:03 PM
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In my experience women want to be treated like women. Even the feminist types. They don't know what they want. Ass slapping, bit of teasing, push pull, a bit of dominance, controlling the frame, being a leader. Its what they want. imo this has been double true for feminists in my life. As soon as they come home they're tired of being a man and they want me to play that role. Every man who has dated a woman has run into the where to go for dinner dilemma. They don't want to choose. They want to p…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 07:59 PM
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I got friendzoned by a few women that were in my life for about 18 years before my glow up. It was my experience that as soon as I had the golden career, and got physically attractive that all three of them showed interest in me. One, who had two children. Invited me to her parents place and we played board games. We walked around the community with her two kids and she talked about all the issues she had with her husband. That she was thinking of divorcing him. And that she should have taken mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 07:13 PM
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It is not possible for you to evaluate their partners to determine if they are hypergamous. Are you watching them have sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 06:53 PM
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I think you mistake fall in love with equals with end up with equals. They can fall in love with more attractive too, and you can see their desire in the data. They cant have what is out of their reach though, so settle for someone less eventually. Or they continue to get hurt - which is where a lot of the current day misandry stems from. Women shooting out of their league and not learning their lesson. Women clearly show more interest the more attractive a man in. As the difference becomes larg…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 06:50 PM
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Again this comes down to the rotational nature. Womens hypergamy has them seeking a good looking man. When they fail because their environment has no good looking men they settle for assortative, but not less.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 06:36 PM
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Not according to the data.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 06:33 PM
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Where is this assumption coming from? https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Frobcb3ggida81.jpg From what I see men show interest in women linearly according to their attractiveness percentile. Showing a pretty even distribution. With the exception that men always shoot their shot at more attractive women. Meanwhile - women only show interest in men once they reach that threshhold. And more interest in an exponential fashion past that threshold. So I would wager that men do sh…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 06:20 PM
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Absolutely - different strokes for diff folks. But by definition they are still hypergamous in some way
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 06:09 PM
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No, because those studies that showed women match their equals 1) only looked at a subset of women and 2) selected equals based off few traits. The rest of the studies show women are hypergamous.Therefore you cannot claim that these women are mating across. I argue they are still mating up, just not in income or social status.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 06:04 PM
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And by definition matching is meeting her hypergamy at a minimum, thus they are hypergamous.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 05:59 PM
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They friendzoned them and then got bitter when they were wrong in judging who will succeed.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 05:57 PM
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And women are hypergamous, they aren't frogs.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 05:51 PM
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Im talking about back straight. No hunched shoulders. Ability to make eye contact. Once you learn body langage - you start to see how people estimate themselves against you. When you lock eyes with another man for instance, the weaker man will look away. When you are walking down the street, the weaker people will move out of your way. Once you learn to look confident and walk confident people literally just move out of your way. Women are very very perceptive and see how you walk, see how you s…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 04:52 PM
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Young people are having less sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 03:57 PM
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They work great if you learn how to compete.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 03:53 PM
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Absolutely For instance slut shaming. Our society needs it, but its not PC to slut shame.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 03:52 PM
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What is it that you do not like about it. Its by far the most prolific program and his book is a very very good addition to the program.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 03:10 PM
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All I have is her book Here’s the painful pattern that emerged from my research with men: We ask them to be vulnerable, we beg them to let us in, and we plead with them to tell us when they’re afraid, but the truth is that most women can’t stomach it. In those moments when real vulnerability happens in men, most of us recoil with fear and that fear manifests as everything from disappointment to disgust. And men are very smart. They know the risks, and they see the look in our eyes when we’re thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 03:02 PM
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That is what the red pill is. Teaching men how to be the best they can be in all areas of life, and why it matters. Namely - to live a fulfilling life. There is a reason it works and people advocate it. Women want good men, the red pill teaches men how to be good men.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 04:21 AM
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It still does not say that women do not look for men with more emotional intelligence than them. It says that when they find a man who is similar to they are the relationship lasts longer. This would influence how many women and men had similar emotional intelligence over time positively. More and more people would be in relationships that were similar. Compounding over time. What they look for and what they get are two different things. That is the rotation part between hypergamy and assortativ…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 04:15 AM
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Do you even know what the red pill ideaology is? Do you know why pilled men work out? Its because studies tell us how profoundly it can affect your life as a man. From the quality of your partner to your next job promotion. It teaches concepts such as the halo effect. Its about statistics and science. The red pill teaches men to be the best they can be so that they can live a fulfilling life. Working out is just one way. Another way is doing the best at your job - having a mission and seeing it …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 03:44 AM
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Can you explain to why you think either a) I am a man whore who just spreads my seed or b) red pillers are man whores who just spread their seeds. Its not clear to me because I am not a man whore and the red pill does not teach men to behave like that. Also why do you think red pilled men use women for sex? The red pill teaches men how to be the best they can be in all areas of life. Sure it, it does teach seduction much like it teaches a great many things. But even then it has been my experienc…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 03:28 AM
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Your data only says that some women are dating across financially. There are hundreds of other traits that men and women select for. So your data does not say women are dating across. It says they are dating across financially.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 11:56 PM
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If hypergamy is dating up, and woman aren't dating down, how can you logically say they are not hypergamous? Because by some metric they MUST be dating up. Because two people can not the exact same. Therefore they must be hypergamous. Because even dating a little bit up is demonstrating hypergamy. Its boolean logic. Hypergamy is the negative of do not date down. Women do not date down, therefore women are hypergamous. So even if its up and not across (which I disagree) women are still hypergamou…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 11:53 PM
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And we call that tendency hypergamy. Women who need to care for children cannot gather resources. This is true. BUt it just means they start at 0 instead of whatever number a modern woman does on the ability to gather resources scale. The fact is that women overwhelmingly will not date someone who makes less than them. This is true if they make money or not, or in simpler terms - gather resources or not. They will still seek a man who is equal or better at gathering resources. In older times whe…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 11:29 PM
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Yep she is naive and clueless.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 11:19 PM
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And it is her hypergamous nature that makes her seek mates that give her the highest chance of survival.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 11:18 PM
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Sarcasm is not appropriate for written communication. It requires body language and tonality to come across appropriately. Alas, not the discussion at hand Appearance matters, please do not virtue signal here. No one is judging you. This is published in the book who we are when no one is looking, and shows that men show interest in women linearly according to their attractiveness percentile - and women show interest in men only once they meet a particular threshhold. This is proven in in person …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 11:14 PM
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It is both. Its her hypergamous nature that drives her to find a man that can support her children. It is also her maternal instincts as well. They go hand in hand. Also she has the highest chance of survival for her and her children with the best possible partner. Hypergamy is the term we use to describe the observation. Maternal instincts and survival may be the underlying psychological reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 11:11 PM
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All of that is true except for the last part. All woman are looking for the best partner they can. This is common sense. They settle for a man of equal value, seek a high value, and get a cat when they don't find either.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 11:07 PM
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By definition that shows that women who suck at gathering resources find mates who can gather resources. By valuing men who gather more resources they are also by definition exercising their hypergamy to mate up and across as far as they can by selecting mates which are better than they are at gathering resources, and better at other mates who are also gathering resources. When resource acquisition is the same, the relative value of the trait of gathering resources is less. Thus we see things li…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 11:02 PM
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https://old.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/180fvw4/i_think_the_gender_wars_division_in_the_west_are/kabzpn4/ 10,000 people in 37 cultures across six continents and five islands Let alone the other two dozen references in that article.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 10:46 PM
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The studies I linked showed that women do indeed want their superior. A subset of independently successful women want an equal, but not less. Meaning they only date men who satisfy their hypergamy. Hypergamy still exists
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 10:40 PM
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Which also means you just have to not be worse, because if you are worse you do not satisfy her hypergamy. It can be both.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 10:37 PM
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On a side note: its peak irony that you come here arguing against the red pill when you married the exact type of man the red pill teaches men to become. The lack of self awareness here is baffling to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 10:36 PM
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As a concept it means women don't date men lesser than them. You must be better than them in some way they value. By definition if they do not date people lesser than them then they are dating men who at the very least satisfy their hypergamous instinct at a minimum level. Which from the data is usually the equals. Equal in the context of those studies is also very ambiguous. Id wager that those studies did not control for say sexual ability, ability to flirt, or other traits women look for in m…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 10:33 PM
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Yes it does. Because hypergamy is by definition a womans tendency to mate up and ACROSS social hierarchies.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 10:22 PM
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Wants her relative equal, but not less than. And not too much better. Because a man who is too good will be more likely to leave her for another woman his level. There is still hypergamy because she goes for someone at least her level.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 10:20 PM
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Another way to describe 'match' is 'meets her level' which BY DEFINITION is meeting her hypergamy. Equal or better to her. Hypergamy is >= not >
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 10:12 PM
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I agree it doesn't originate with the red pill. Its still a core pillar of the red pill. Why is it so hard for you to concede that you promote this part of the red pill? You seem to have some irrational inability to do so. For reference, conceding one part does not mean you agree to the whole. I'm not trying to coax you into being a red piller here... Men who weight lift are more attractive to women than men who are scrawny. Are you going to tell people that they shouldn't lift weights? But what…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 10:09 PM
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Every woman is hypergamous because everyone wants a partner that is better than they are. Its common sense. If you can pair bond with someone better than you you will take that person over someone worse than you.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 10:00 PM
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Thats cool. However you said most hypergamous. That by definition says all women are hypergamous just some are more than others. Are there any other red pill topics you would like to discuss
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 09:54 PM
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And what is the breakdown of these women?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 09:49 PM
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How about you stop making assumptions about me thanks. Not lonely, have a wonderful partner. Secondly, your software engineer husband is probably red pilled. As are most tech workers these days. He just wont admit it to you. Either way, he follows red pill principles. So even if he never formally consumed it he still is red pilled as evidenced that he has focused on an incredible career, focused on his appearance to be the most attractive he can, and found a naive blue pilled woman to saddle wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 09:47 PM
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I was more interested in the connection to hypergamy. Because a preference to certain facial features hardly matters when appearance is just one trait women look for when seeking a partner and doesn't disprove hypergamy in any way.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 09:43 PM
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Yes this is one of the convincing studies that shows birth control changes the type of man a woman is attracted to. Because those hormones are in birth control pills which mimick pregnancy. When pregnant women are attracted to men who are more simpy and supportive and resources. And when not pregnant they seek the most masculine mates. As detailed by the study you just linked. This does not relate to hypergamy however. It says nothing about it. It says that there is a preference for certain feat…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 09:38 PM
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Brene brown is the leading researcher on vulnerability. She found experimentally that women feel disgust when men are vulnerable. you should read it before arguing further. We ask men to be vulnerable, we beg them to let us in, and we plead with them to tell us when they’re afraid, but the truth is that most women can’t stomach it. In these moments when real vulnerability happens in men, most of us recoil with fear and that fear manifests as everything from disappointment to disgust. And men are…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 09:30 PM
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Brene brown is the leading researcher on this topic. She found experimentally that women feel disgust when men are vulnerable /thread
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 09:29 PM
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Frogs don't count. Please provide a reference. Also what is the breakdown between women with high oxytocin and high estrogen? Because that matters. If there is a small subset of women who are less femimine (statistically i think 80% of women are considered traditionally feminine and 20% more masculine) that are looking for pair bond, that wouldn't really help the majority of men who fail to appeal to the hypergamy of the other 80%. It matters. That may be true, though you provide no resource tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 09:25 PM
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That may be true, but how does that relate to attraction? That doesn't say anything against hypergamy. Anyway this is my hypothesis. As women have become more educated, are able to better to provide for themselves, and no longer need men for their traditional roles - they now seek men that appeal to their innate hypergamy in terms of other traits. And the difference between the prospect male trait and the female trait needs to be even larger. Such as appearance. This is published in the book who…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 09:16 PM
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Fact 1 is an exception makes the rule fallacy. Will != trend Fact 2 is actually promoting hypergamy. It means that partners do not get together with partners who are less attractive then them. The minimum is to satisfy hypergamy. Fact 3 has nothing to do with hypergamy. Fact 4 Is also misleading - because women initiate 80% of divorces and divorce rates are rising despite women finding success and their lives being 'easier' and less reliant on men. It also says nothing towards hypergamy. Those w…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 09:09 PM
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I think the environment women are raised in and grow up in into adulthood is not conducive to being wise. They are overly coddled. Both by our blue pilled culture and by the people around them. They are never exposed to the harsh realities of the world and then when they come of age and experience them, they do not have the skills to respond. Thus we see a lot of really hurt and broken misandrist women.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 08:46 PM
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I agree its not complicated when you know which qualities to look for. The thing is younger women are naive and do not know which qualities to look for. They must look to their parents or online resources in todays age. Some may - but this an exception makes the rule fallacy and has no bearing on the argument. This is not the discussion at hand though. So its moot. We also aren't talking about the most cost effective strategy. We are talking about the general strategy young women employ. Which i…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 08:28 PM
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You say that assuming it matters that it was a concept before the red pill? This is not the discussion at hand. The fact is that it is a red pill concept, and you support it as an apparently blue pilled woman. So you are by definition red pilled in this way and say things that support this part of the red pill. This is irrefutable. Take accountability - or do what the red pill says and don't. Plently of youtube videos explain the psychology of why you cannot take accountability here as a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 08:18 PM
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In what world do you think it is appropriate to call exercise 'addictive behavior'? In fact starting strength is fairly moderate, its 3x5 3 times a week. ~2 hours a week. Hardly addictive? The delusion! Also it works and is what women are looking for. So gtfo with this virtue signalling bs.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 08:02 PM
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Younger women are less likely to know their value. Women who are relationship oriented have to take risks on who they date in their teens and twenties. They try to select the men with the best chances. She just picked right. So because they dont know their value, they don't know what they can get, and because they dont know who is going to succeed, they have to make a very difficult choice on who will. Its all part of the game. Other women just sleep around in their 20s and pick a winner in thei…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 07:53 PM
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Are you fit and muscular? Tech worker - similar position. worked in faang during my 20s. good in the markets. Ghosted for 4 years. Got fit and muscular - 8 dates 1 week after updating my photos. Multiple sexual experiences in the first month. Basically coffee -> bedroom. Just get over your inhibitions to getting muscular, pick up starting strength book and a squat rack and get it done. Or die alone. Feel free to dm me. Women are attracted to muscles dude, so get muscles. Dont be gaslight by the …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 07:47 PM
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Red pill concept. Preselection. She wasn't attracted to you before another woman was interested in you. Once another woman was, her brain tells her that there must be more to you that she missed or didn't get to experience. Now her anxiety is making her regret friend zoning you. I had a few 'friends' invite me on 'lets hang out together' solo 1:1s after my glow up. These women had bfs. I tested red pill theories on them like being vulnerable and they left my life though.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 07:45 PM
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As opposed to being chivalrous strong charismatic confident leader who guides the realtionship, pays for everything, chooses where to go for dinner, is romantic, highly good in the sack, emotionally completely stable rock who is also tall and very attractive fit and muscular and has a great career. the bar for women is low. You cannot complain if you don't meet it. Men just ask that you have sex with them relatively often, get them a drink or meet their needs every now and again. It shows you ca…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 07:37 PM
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That may be true, but how does that relate to attraction? That doesn't say anything against hypergamy.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 07:13 PM
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Hormones are influenced by environmental inputs such as status So you are saying status affects womans hormones that increase attraction? ie hypergamy exists in terms of social status. Read what you are writing...
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 07:09 PM
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You are making the assumption that these are societal factors, completely skipping the entire field of evolutionary biology and psychology. You incorrectly assume that attraction is a choice and not biological. The red pill argues the opposite. That attraction is biological. You yourself brought up pheremones and the like in frogs - so how can you now argue attraction is a societal construct and based off womens ability to work, get paid, and own property?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 07:02 PM
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It says "the end" which means, it has existed all this time by definition. Trends over time within countries follow a similar pattern: increases in women’s education are closely followed by increasing numbers of couples in which women’s education exceeds men’s It should say The end of educational hypergamy Remember that previous study I linked about the rotation between hypergamy and assortative mating? The social context these women are in have forced women to go for assortative mating in terms…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 06:58 PM
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First off - it shows that women are more educated and divorce rates are increasing. I would argue this suggests that men are not appealing to their hypergamy as much and they lose attraction. I have had several women I have dated state they would not date someone without a university education. Secondly - the hypothesis they are testing is a single trait: education With regard to educational assortative mating, I expect that lower educated men and higher educated women who hold egalitarian attit…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 06:49 PM
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First off - it shows that women are more educated and divorce rates are increasing. I would argue this suggests that men are not appealing to their hypergamy and more and they lose attraction. Secondly - the hypothesis they are testing is a single trait: education With regard to educational assortative mating, I expect that lower educated men and higher educated women who hold egalitarian attitudes will be more likely to form unions where the woman is more educated than the man, relatively to th…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 06:47 PM
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Good thing is your opinions on the matter are irrelevant. I believe what the data says. You believe in fairy tales, and it is you going in circles.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 06:42 PM
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and that does not change the findings, which find you are wrong :)
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 06:40 PM
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Only one paragraph.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 06:35 PM
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You do not understand what hypergamy is. Hypergamy is a tendency for women to select men who have traits that are better than they are. You are focusing on the money aspect so you got it all wrong. A man can from a hypergamy stand point be more funny that the woman, be more empathetic, show emotions better.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 06:33 PM
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Yes, you are free to believe things like the earth is flat when there is overwhelming evidence to support otherwise. I won't stop you http://web.simmons.edu/~turnerg/MCC/Matechoice2PDF.pdf In primate species in which long-term relationships develop, females generally prefer dominant males as mates. In comparison to other males, dominant males provide greater protection from conspecifics (i.e., members of the same species) and often provide better access to high-quality foods (Smuts, 1985). Simil…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 06:30 PM
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Doesn't matter: because we are talking about hypergamy. Please stay on topic
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 06:27 PM
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Mutual waste time game is boring yawn. Such a child. At least i did not use frogs LMAO
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 06:19 PM
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It doesn't matter if all women are hypergamous. That is you using the exception makes the rule fallacy. You also changed the argument to be ALL women (another fallacy). As if the word 'all' matters.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 05:36 PM
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This is personal experience. The men you know just suck at seduction and they don't know how to touch, where to touch, what to say, how to perform. These women just have experience with men who suck at pleasuring a woman so value it less and see it as a chore. Seduction starts the moment after you have sex. My experience with women is when I learned how to push all of their buttons in the right way they want it all the damn time. Why? because I am very skilled in the bedroom and she always comes…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 04:53 PM
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Fortunately it doesn't matter what you think because the studies show women are hypergamous. I think the earth is flat, that doesn't make it true. Brene brown is probably the defacto leader on the subject, and she found that women feel disgust when men are emotionally expressive. So either way you are wrong, because its not attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 04:18 PM
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It can be both. An emotionally expressive man who is romantic is certainly appealing to her hypergamy. It shows he is able to read his own emotions showing emotional intelligence and since men are the romantics in relationship an extra romantic one appeals greatly to her hypergamy. Why must they be mutually exclusive? These things can both help with pair bonding and appeal to hypergamy. Because by definition appealing to hypergamy is necessary for pair bonding with a woman. Off topic but are you…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 01:03 AM
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It's easier to pair bond with someone equal to you and who share qualities with you then some emotionally immature stoic alpha male What women want isn't up for discussion. I will humor you though - by definition someone who is stoic is not emotionally immature, because stoicism is about being emotionally mature... And what women say they want "an equal" (apparently - according to you) does not represent how they behave. This is why we have studies have have extensively looked at female mating b…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 11:52 PM
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Let me explain how you got this wrong using your own words. Because you literally just said women are hypergamous But there is also a lot of women who like emotionally expressive romantic men. This is because the two groups of women have different mating strategies. Have you considered that those emotionally expressive and romantic men are appealing to her hypergamy (Being better emotionally and romantically). Hypergamy encompasses everything you can compare one person to another. From written c…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 11:41 PM
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We aren't arguing if hormones have a big influence on mate selection. This is you changing the argument, and I would like to stay on topic. For reference, I do not disagree. I agree with you and am well aware of for instance how birth control affects womens attraction to certain archetypes of mates. This is not the topic at hand so I kindly ask that you stay on topic. To remind you, we are arguing if women are hypergamous, which is well studied and demonstrably proven behaviour of women. You are…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 11:30 PM
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Sure they share these hormones. But that does not change the fact that women are not frogs, and you cannot take conclusions made on frogs and apply them to women. This is an if a then b fallacy. My knowledge of biology and evolution is not relevant in this case, can we please have a rational discussion?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 11:21 PM
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You don't know how studies and research work do you? The study is done on frogs and women are not frogs.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 11:13 PM
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We aren't talking about looks, we are talking about social proof, pre selection, and providing. Please do not change the topic about looks, that's an argumentative fallacy and not relevant to this discussion. Looks being common sense does not relate to pre-selection and social proof being common sense. Lets have a rational discussion here. The fact is that you actively stated the red pill topics of pre selection and social proof is important when attracting women. Which is a big core tenant of t…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 11:08 PM
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That doesn't invalidate the findings. You didn't even reference anything...
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 11:02 PM
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https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/0162309595001042 We argue that females switch between homogamy and hypergamy and vice versa, depending on the particular social circumstance. Homogamy is assortative mating. Another term for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 10:59 PM
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No, the research shows that women switch between assortative mating and hypergamy based of personal circumstance. The hypergamy is always there, they just don't always get to exercise their hypergamy.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 10:42 PM
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Ignoring any glaring issues in appearance, have you considered learning more about body language? I left it out because I hadn't considered it but it will have a huge influence on how people perceive you. Have you learned how to appear confident? mirroring? etc. Also reading body language, like knowing open vs closed, signals of attraction and ioi's from body language, the whol schtick. Its a rabbit hole it and of itself. Then there is how to connect with people which goes hand in hand with body…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 10:32 PM
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Hypergamy is just one concept in the red pill. Male and female mate selection is one of the most well studied topics in psychology. There are dozens of studies which demonstrably prove hypergamy exists and is a large driver of womens mating strategy. This part of the red pill is NOT nonsense. Can you elaborate on the specific concepts in the red pill that you think is nonsense? I would be happy to explain them to you and provide references where relevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 10:22 PM
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Our HR lead is a woman. She broke the touch barrier with me in the elevator. What is sexual harassment again?! Didn't bother me. But I sure did chuckle when I did that sexual harassment training a few days later...
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 10:16 PM
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I was a tech worker, so had a bit of flub. Never that overweight but it basically meant 0 interest from women and body language signs of disgust until my glow up. I can't say if it was one thing. Basically I was ghosted on apps for 4 years and did it all at once. Updated my photos and had 8 dates scheduled in the first week. But I got fit and muscular through starting strength. Learned everything about hair, products, and styles. Good barber. Got a bunch of seasonally appropriate clothes from hi…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 09:57 PM
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Most men aren't black and red pilled, so never get to see true lust and desire from women. I became chad so I saw it from both sides. My experience was that I got invited to the bedroom after a coffee.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 09:37 PM
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Women have a higher libido than men do... have you actually looked at studies?!
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 09:07 PM
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Find your ugly duckling. Best advice I ever heard. You are at a prime age to find women who are insecure about their attractiveness and have not yet had their glow up. Many girls end up this way out of high school just for not being popular.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 08:15 PM
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Women have a higher libido then men do... this has been proven. They just make it seem like men are the ones who want sex so that they can control men and control access to sex. You are just gaslight - unplug yourself lmfao.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 08:00 PM
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Weak and insecure mae compete against their fellow men. Good men raise other men up. I am a good man so I spend my time here raising other men up. Despite already becoming chad and finding a wonderful partner I spend some time and energy here.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 07:41 PM
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I love it when women come here to argue, and they argue exactly how the red pill says they will. Using fallacious arguments and social manipulation. Just like they do in arguments in person. Its honestly hilarious. The lack of self awareness is palpable.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 07:33 PM
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People like me? For one, thats an ad hominem attack - an argumentative fallacy. Two, you are making an assumption about who I am. For reference, I have never had casual sex and am highly against hookup culture. Can you please have a rational discussion here? You obviously feel differently, used an argumentative fallacy which is an emotion based response to a factual statistic. The fact is men and women engage in hookup culture at relatively equal amounts. Now that the argument at hand is decidel…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 07:02 PM
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Research has estimated that between 60 and 85% of college men and 50 and 85% of college women have engaged in casual sex, hookups, or friends with benefits (Grello, Walsh, Harper, & Dickson, 2003) Just slightly less for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 06:32 PM
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Become chad and my experience doing so was that women threw themselves at me. Op of this thread is delusional. For every man hooking up there is also a woman. So she is just projecting her own views of not hooking up onto the views and behaviours of others. Completely un self aware and clueless.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 06:16 PM
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"HEY BABE, CAN YOU SHOW ME HOW WEAK YOU REALLY ARE PLEASE?" Brene brown studied vulnerability extensively. She found that women feel disgust when men are vulnerable.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 05:17 PM
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these things are already happening. Regarding sitting back and relaxing - thats the MGTOW movement. Men like to accept the red pill, embody the red pill, all the whilst complaining that they have to be some giga chad who makes bank to even attract an average woman. Then they see massive results, get a good partner, and exit the dating market as quickly as they entered. Or they give up. Personally I see those men as weak, but most men I know would do that. Meanwhile those bitter women still cant …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 04:58 PM
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Lots of those things arent even red pill. Redpill: "Women will cheat on you." Not true, its actually Redpill: 20% of married women cheat. Women who have had 10 or more partners are 150% more likely to cheat. So its now ~50%. This is a verifiable statistically proven metric that BODY COUNT MATTERS. If you date a promiscuous woman you are flipping a coin to whether or not she will cheat on you.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 04:40 PM
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But they are also disadvantaged because they need to overcome societal norms and pressures that actively harm how attractive they are to the other gender. They have to un-gaslight themselves. Which is difficult because western culture is relentless in squashing non conformity.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 04:15 PM
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Except the red pill works... I learned it. I found experimentally that it accurately depicts male and female behavior. It accurately depicts male and female attraction. It accurately depicts the world we live in. So for all the 'echo chamber' I went out of my way to validate the truth to it through the women I dated. And boy was I validated... There may be a gender war, but that does not make things like the red pill wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 04:05 PM
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Can you provide examples? Also does it even matter if the people are neutral or not? Thats literally what I said - the red pill is neutral. People are not. This is people saying these things. That doesn't make the red pill negative against women. It merely states how women and men behave as proven through evolutionary biology and psychology. People wrote all of those things. From the side bar, to comments here. People who have likely had a hard time attracting women so are rightfully frustrated …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 04:04 PM
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You are right I incorrectly assumed. Exception does not make the rule fallacy. I'm very happy for you though How old are you though? How old is she? One of the red pill concepts is to lock down a keeper early, before they learn their value. Lots of women don't get the opportunity to learn just how valuable they are. Either they never put themselves out there or their parents never taught them. So you absolutely can find attractive women who are not entitled. They just become more and more rare a…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 03:58 PM
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Well off, financially succesful, business owner here. I won't date a woman with more than ~3-5 partners. I will laugh an OF model out of the room. Selling your body for money is the oldest profession. Anyone can do it. It shows that you have nothing else to provide society other than your body. It is quite honestly disgusting. Its a profession that takes advantage of weak men, and someone who does that is equally as disgusting as those men. It shows the models character, she uses men as tools. O…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 03:49 PM
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I don't think anyone will disagree with you. The materialistic culture of the US is vain and vapid. You didn't need money, but the women you dated were also naive and less educated. The fact is that you had a much easier time appealing to your loving partners hypergamy. The fact is that in the west the women were raised in middle class households and so they expect a middle class way of life. Which is being more and more difficult to uphold and is very difficult for a man in his 20s. You are bas…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 03:46 PM
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This stuff does help. I did all of these things and then had a ton of attention from women. It really does work. Careers aren't for filling a void, its to show women that you have enough resources to raise children. This causes a lot of attraction. Hobbies aren't for filling a void, its to gain a social circle and show a woman that you have purpose and fill your time with things that improve your life. Having hobbies is also about spending time apart, because women fall in love in the time apart…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 03:13 PM
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Starting a fight in a bar is not being a Karen. I also don't think the inebriated population is a particularly good representation. Considering men often drink more and to excess. There may be more disruptive drunk men than disruptive drunk women, but there are certainly more entitled female karens then entitled men out in the world. Because men learn at a very young age that no one gives a fuck about them, and no one will cater to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 03:09 PM
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Women are picky. Every woman I have dated has said they are picky. How is stating that women are picky a negative? You are projecting feeling attacked by men calling women picky because you are picky yourself. So you see it as a negative, when its just a fact. Men also speak using direct language, especially in written form - something more teachers should understand. Men and women communicate differently - so mens communication often comes across as harsh to women. The red pill merely says what…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 03:01 PM
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This is a red pill concept. Men are islands and woman are boats. If you want a woman to stay at your island, you need to make it good enough to attract them and keep them there. Hence be the best you can be, build your castle, build a large social following. If your island sucks, then do not be surprised when boats do not want to stay. Also you are talking about social proof and pre selection. More red pill concepts. This comes down to women expecting men to take them on roller coasters. Be the …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 02:50 AM
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What about the red pill views women choosing men as negative? In fact the red pill states that women choose men first, then men choose to stick around. The red pill does not place views like this. It states how it works and doesn't have an opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 10:44 PM
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Its not weaponizing victimhood, its bringing awareness to the harsh realities of the world we live in. Remember that when you read text in this format you project your own opinions and feelings into the words of others. You put an exclamation mark on privileged! for instance - because you see it like an attack on women and assume its outrageous and uncalled for. But the fact is a lot of what is discussed here is just cold hard facts. People who are unwilling to accept those facts take it as vict…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 10:31 PM
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Those are not red pill ideas. Those are people who sometimes say red pill things spouting misogynistic ideas to appeal to a certain demographic.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 09:51 PM
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Personal question - I am just curious as to why you are no pill. Your comment is very red pill. Here are the facts, this is the study, this is how attraction works.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 04:26 PM
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No, he is what dumb people incorrectly take as red pill. The red pill opens your eyes to human behaviour. By learning how it really works at a macro level. It brings you to a higher state of perception of the world around you. You are better able to interact with the world and people around you. Because you understand how people work, you understand what is expected of you as a man in this society. It leads you to success in your endeavours. Why? It teaches you how to be attractive to the opposi…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 06:20 AM
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yep, people here are ignorant as fuck.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/23 12:59 AM
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The tate isn't red pill. Why do people not understand this?! Andrew tate says a few red pill things. That does not mean everything he says is red pill. The red pill is about self improvement, being the best you can be, learning how people work at a psychological level (both men and women), learning how the world works at a fundamental level. This is so as a man you can go through life informed and be the best person you can be. It gives you the highest chance of success. Any rational person who …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/23 12:54 AM
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Depends on what you define as red pill. IF its the defacto definition - self imrpovement, learn about how the world works including attraction, seduction, female and male psychology then yes. THat man understands what is expected of him and knows what my daughter would need from him. He's taken the red pill and can make informed decisions. This man will be the best he can be and I can trust that. If your definition of the red pill is some trad con toxic masculinity shit, ofc not.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/23 12:53 AM
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getting pilled changed my life as a former 30 year old virgin. I learned the red pill, implemented it in my life, and saw huge results. After getting fit and muscular I went from getting ghosted for 4 years on dating apps to having 8 dates scheduled within a week of updating my photos. Multiple sexual experiences within a month. It really does work. Don't listen to the blue pilled idiot, they're naive and haven't learned how fake the world is (including attraction).
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/23 05:01 PM
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From my experience you can be vulnerable from a source of strength. Like: 'I went through x y and z as a kid and it really put life into perspective for me, although it was hard when I was younger I am grateful for having gone through x y and z. Its made me a stronger person and allowed me to grow in ways that others could not until they were much older' vs 'I had such a hard childhood, because of x,y,z I never succeeded in life. every day is struggle because im haunted by x y and z. Sometimes i…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/23 04:53 PM
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Disgusting != hate. I can find them repulsive and not hate them. No you would not be with a fat man long term, because you would have already been. You just sadly need validation and only a fat man could give it to you in that moment. Its because you are deeply insecure and thats why you are all hot and bothered. I wonder how many other 'duders' you have slept with because you aren't whole yourself. I used a dating advice term 'find your ugly duckling'. Its a piece of advice given those who are …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/23 04:39 PM
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Why should chads be blamed for being chads? Men like sex. These men are offered sex on a platter so they gorge. Like any other person would. I can say that they are of poor character because my strategy was to find one good girl to save from this horrendous dating market and get the fuck out. But I don't blame them because my experience was that women would throw themselves at me once I became chad. Like you honestly have no idea how different women treated me as chad. I went from getting visibl…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/23 12:01 AM
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Do you question the vulnerability thing? Brene brown is the leading psychologist on vulnerability and she found experimentally that women feel disgust when men are vulnerable. It effectively gives them the ick. Shes a widely accepted author and her conclusions on male vulnerability are quite controversial because feminist culture says 'BE VULNERABLE'. That just makes unattractive men. To answer your question - just life things. I would listen to this persons issues, so as per normal conversation…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 10:49 PM
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YUP. women are shallow as fuck you cant blame them though. Everyone wants the best deal for their future.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 09:54 PM
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My first gf after being a turbo incel turned chad at 30 bought me a $900 birthday gift. Then expected I matched her @ christmas. LOL nope honey.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 09:50 PM
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One of my closest female friends is a good example (well ex closest, for reasons, she basically abandoned our friendship as soon as I opened up and was vulnerable to her about issues I was going through - i was testing vulnerability with women and to no surprise there went an 18 year relationship the first time i open up) She went and got a business degree and ended up working her way up the career ladder. Her partner of 10 years was a roofer, making low bucks doing hard labor. After 10 years I …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 09:45 PM
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Former incel. Every time women would ask about past relationships. I was open and honest the first few times. But immediately I got the cold shoulder, the woman would slowly back away, and then eventually break up or ghost me. I ended up lying and it just made everything easier. I had already spent hundreds of hours learning about sex in all aspects. From how to touch a woman, how to arouse them, how to perform in all sexual aspects from positions to cunnilingus to how to thrust to how to use my…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 09:26 PM
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I dont hate fat people. I feel bad for them. And I dislike people who lie to them. Like you. Trying to insinuate my opinion is invalid because I hate fat people is an argumentative fallacy. You also changed the topic to be about me. WHen in fact it is you who is unable to say out loud that fat people are not attractive to you. The fact that you have slept with them before does not matter either, because the exception does not make the rule and the fact is you can sleep with a man for validation …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 07:58 PM
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I’m just one person w an opinion But you wont tell them your opinion. Because you say 'not my type' to deflect saying how your opinion. You are being inauthentic. You are also speaking indirectly when you say 'not my type', its literal womanese for 'i am not attracted to you'. These men need to be told they are not attractive to understand, so you do them a disservice by being overly nice and overly inauthentic. The red pill concept is that women are afraid of conflict so prefer indirect languag…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 06:14 PM
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For instance I was vulnerable with one of my partners. She told me how it made her feel like I was weak. It made her feel less secure in the relationship. She said this when she was upset, so I got her without a filter. This same person repeatedly said she wanted me to be more vulnerable. So I tested her response. BTW this girl after being super horny, orgasming from penetration INTO IT basically couldn't even get wet for WEEKS after this! 'I don't what it is!!'... she would say. I knew why. Wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 04:20 PM
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without those women knowledge so I’m not sure how you can blame women for this Because if you get bit by it over and over again you should adapt. I have zero sympathy for women who repeatedly get pumped and dumped, because me as a straight shooter who is actually a stand up fucking person got ghosted for years. Only to realize how fucking shallow women were. Its also only 23% of women, so a subset in polygamous relationships. Those women are to blame because they are naive. That guy who keeps yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 11:47 PM
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You are suggesting those women lack agency and personal choice. Yes there is blame on the shitty men who lead women on. Its unfortunate but as you age the dating market in your age range gets filled with avoidants and people with avoidant attachments. Or even anxious avoidant. So these women are choosing to waste their prime years on attractive men who are way out of their league. Its really sad and unfortunate that they decide to do this.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 11:34 PM
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These women are not interested in other men, only chad. And i proved it myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 11:28 PM
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I was very respectful and did not lead women on. The sexual experiences were with women I was willing to pursue. What you are insinuating is that these women lacked agency and personal choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 11:24 PM
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Chad is a phrase to describe high value men. Those men in the top few percentile. Chad exists, and he gets a lot of attention from women. I know because I am a chad. I went from getting ghosted for 4 years on dating apps, to going to the gym getting fit and muscular, and having 8 dates scheduled within 1 week of updating my photos. I then had women throwing themselves at me, had multiple sexual experiences in the first month, and had to sort through the trash.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 11:00 PM
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Its fine for people to be fat, but you wont date them so its not fine to be fat and date you. We aren't talking about combatting obesity here. Fat people find love with other fat people, sometimes. But the dating app data shows that fat men are incredibly disadvantaged. And sometimes a fat guy gets a good looking girl. However that is the exception does not make the rule fallacy. Another way you are manipulative. The fact is, the few fat people who do find love does not matter as the overwhelmin…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 10:55 PM
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If you cant attract chad for a LTR then chad is out of your league. Most women think their value is higher than it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 10:47 PM
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you can literally ask any man if they want to have sex and the statistics say that you have a 99% chance of them accepting. For men it is 0%. If you don't have a chad its because you aren't trying. Because you can literally just spread your legs. But then again, you probably couldn't hold onto chad. He will fuck you and leave you. Like all the other damaged women who got alpha widowed that the rest of men have to fix.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 10:42 PM
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See, you wouldn't date a fat man. But you tell a fat man its okay to be fat. That doesn't help him because NO ONE WILL DATE HIM. You are actually a piece of shit for saying its okay to be fat. Because you gaslight the fat people into thinking they can be fat and still find love, which is not true. That makes you a bad person honey. Can you explain how I am deranged? I'm not the person lying to and manipulating people I don't care if you don't care. Im stating a fact about your behavior for other…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 09:36 PM
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https://preview.redd.it/robcb3ggida81.jpg?width=960&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=81d61898784065f76ec0e0d355355d6ca9716716 Data from tinder, published in the book who we are when no one is looking. OKcupid has similar data, but they took it down because it shed a negative light and likely hurt their revenue (men gave up after seeing it). you can still find it however. It shows that men are more fair regarding who they can attract. As they show interest in women linearly with their attractiveness percen…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 09:26 PM
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You are using fallacies to try to appear more virtuous, because women care about their status in society. Same reason you are calling out fat phobia. To try to appear more virtuous to others reading the posts. The fact is you probably wouldn't' date a fat person so really that makes YOU a bad person. You spout body positivist but are actually not. Actions != words and that makes you INAUTHENTIC. I said she is incredibly attractive, just a little overweight. And I chose her for her personality, b…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 09:06 PM
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Saying this is entertainment doesn't add anything to your argument. Insinuating its ridiculous only deludes yourself. Argumentative fallacy. Do not put words into my mouth, you are being manipulative. I did not say tolerate anything. I said be more grateful. Saying that insinuates that I'm not a good person that is not worthy of her, and that I am using her insecurity. In fact I raise her up and am helping her become the best person she could be - so she respects me greatly and treats me well. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 08:02 PM
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You can read the book men are from mars and women are from venus. the tldr; is that despite society saying men and women are equal, we are not the same. We behave differently, have different brain structures so think differently. Its all rooted in evolutionary biology. Society likes to gaslight people into thinking we are the same under the guise of equality. But if you even just do a small dive into the psychology of how men and women behave you see that men and women are wired differently. For…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 07:51 PM
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Where is the whine? Recall you responded to me whining about 'bad behavior'. Do you just say the most random shit that comes to mind without thinking through if thats actually correct? I can take what I dish. You dished first. It sounds like you can't take it because you are getting all hot and bothered. Ugly duckling is a dating advice term 'find your ugly duckling'. Someone who isn't priviledged because of their looks will be more appreciative of attention. You denigrate because men opening up…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 04:28 PM
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Facts!
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 10:39 AM
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"A guy like me" You mean confident, assertive, successful, flirty, fun, attractive? Why do you feel the need to insinuate that I am not a good partner? Does me being a good partner and my partner getting an amazing deal in life offend you? Like I literally worked on myself for my entire 20s so it shouldn't be a surprise...
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 10:32 AM
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I don't understand women when they say I need you to help out more with chores to get into the moment. They're basically saying they'll be a prostitute if you be their slave. Sex should just happen because its fun, releases feel good hormones, strengthens your connection, and meets needs that both men and women have. If sex is not happening both parties should realize how important sex is and work on the reasons why sex isn't what it could be. 'His help wasn't enough' is the thoughts of a low qu…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 10:25 AM
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I was already a driven person, I just didn't quite understand the attraction game because my dad never taught me. The first part of that 12 years, my education and early career were entirely selfish. I figured that career was important and it was in an area where I was passionate. I wanted a good life. So I would say yes. It was a few difficult years levelling up but its totally worth it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 10:15 AM
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There is attracting women and then there is keeping one. Because I was pilled before women would date me, I got to test many red pill concepts. From psychology of both men and women, the science of attraction, and what is expected of me as a man in society.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 10:08 AM
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Why even insult me? like what do you even have to gain. The irony is that you probably aren't the type of person any man should want. Good natured people would empathize and understand, such as my current partner. Low quality women such as yourself would denigrate in a sad attempt to try to appear to have a higher social value. That's what bullies do. Except everyone else looks at you and sees how weak you are. Also this is reddit, so you are just pathetically insecure.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 09:54 AM
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Absolutely, same experience. She comes with a little bit of insecurity around her appearance. But its something that I understand very intimately and its one way we connected. I was passed on for the same reasons. She isn't fat by any means. Just a little overweight. Its something we're working on together. I know a lot about nutrition following my journey and i'm quite the cook. So I make sure we eat healthy and shes been looking better and better every day.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 10:16 PM
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Honestly I think it helps that I have a lot of money, since i spent my 20s building wealth. Im also a bit of an investment guru. My height has been a disadvantage. I have had girls mention it. They were also typically shitty people anyway and I never considered them good partners. So i cannot really say. The 6ft thing is really interesting because the phenomenon only happens in western countries which use imperial. Really sucks not being that magical 6 ft so I get it. To answer your question, ye…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 09:59 PM
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You wont understand how differently you are treated until you do the journey. So its really hard for me to explain. Your life improves in every possible way you can imagine. From how you are treated by sexual prospects to getting a promotion to walking down the grocery store isle and making eye contact with a person. People get out of my way and look distressed when they inconvenience me. Women are flirty and bubbly and find any way they can to get close to me. I get every job I apply for, even …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 09:51 PM
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This is literally proven in psychology. I do not have a rough go of it. I have a very active sex life and also I have a supportive partner who is 'ok' with me being vulnerable. I just also understand the psychological part of it, because I am well educated in psychology. So i understand that it is not always in my best interest to be vulnerable. Just humour me. Because the psychology studies do not lie. Brain scans do not lie. It is a fact of human nature. Women virtue signal and would never adm…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 09:39 PM
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5'10
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 09:38 PM
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To attribute that to red pill would be so say red pill invented stoicism. Which is not accurate. It’s illogical to attribute things that are common sense to red pill when it benefits redpill. It’s as irrational as saying religion invented morality so anyone who is morally good is participating in religion I have made it very clear that this is not what I am saying. I even acknowledged that stoicism comes from greece. Namely Marcus Aurelius, a philospher from the period. So you are choosing to ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 09:23 PM
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took me 12 years if I count the time I spent building my career. 4 years more generally on self improvement. Engineer in tech. 6 years of schooling post secondary, 16 hours a day grinding my ass off. 4.5 years working 8.5 hour days learning to be the best software engineer I could be. One application and I'm making multi six figures in the highest paying companies. During those 4.5 years working 8.5 hour days I was ghosted on dating apps repeatedly after 1-3 msgs. Got pilled, got fit/muscular, a…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 08:21 PM
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To attribute that to red pill would be so say red pill invented stoicism. Which is not accurate. It’s illogical to attribute things that are common sense to red pill when it benefits redpill. It’s as irrational as saying religion invented morality so anyone who is morally good is participating in religion. I am not attributing stoicism to the red pill. Can you point out where I said that? I am merely stating that a core component of the red pill is stoicism. This means that by definition men who…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 07:53 PM
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I have an attractive friend who is a mix of summer girl ditzy, party girl. Shes bubbly, overly touchy, flirty. Dresses in things that wouldn't be out of place in a vampire movie. She repeatedly goes to hr with issues with male coworkers. Its like - seriously?! No self awareness.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 07:46 PM
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I have homework for you. Track the days you have sex. Take note of the days you become emotional. After some time reflect on any deviations in the rate of occurence of sex following periods where you were emotional. Studies show that women feel deep disgust when they see a vulnerable man. There are studies that have looked at brain activity and looked at arousal specifically and those regions basically shut off. A man being vulnerable activates regions of the brain that are responsible for a wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 07:37 PM
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That's my experience as well. They confuse toxic masculinity with the red pill. They're just ignorant to what the red pill is and are upset because scientifically proven things like hypergamy shed a negative light on female behaviour.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 07:32 PM
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This has everything to do with the red pill. Stoicism is a core tenant of the red pill. It can both be a core tenant of the red pill and taking responsibility for your life. A lot of what the red pill teaches, in regards to emotional maturity (stoicism) and self improvement (fitness, muscular, career, social skills, seduction skills) all relate to taking responsibility for your life and making a conscious decision to improve it. I feel you misunderstand my argument. I am not saying that stoicism…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 07:23 PM
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You are a minority here so your opinion is not even relevant. I'm not even American BTW. In other regions of the world women don't even earn an income. So how are they going to even pay?!
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 07:15 PM
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This is why the red pill teaches men stoicism. This provides men with a level of self awareness and teaches them the power of choice. You can choose to be a shitty man because your child hood sucked. You can also choose to be a GOOD man (not nice) and accelerate beyond your means. Its all a choice. Feel sorry for yourself or pick yourself up by your bookstraps and get it done. Memento mori. There is a good book called 'it didn't start with you' that goes into inherited family trauma. I think men…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 07:09 PM
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As a man every time I have mentioned splitting the bill I have been met with immediate hostility and an awkward look from the server. Even from hardcore feminists with fem tats and everything. It is expected for a man to pay. Do not let virtue signalling feminists gaslight you into thinking otherwise. If a woman genuinely likes you she will offer to pay a fair share later down the road. It is a signal of attraction and respect. A woman who will not pay does not respect you, so exit the relations…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 06:53 PM
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I don't refute that. Women gained choice. But that does not mean they were imprisoned before which is the discussion at hand. Men and women have worked as a team for thousands of years. They did so because life was difficult alone and it was easier together. Men and women are suited towards different tasks. A man was more able to till the fields and hunt because of strength and endurance and a woman more able to forage and tend to the home. For instance women can see more shades of colors, which…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 05:37 PM
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thats fair, you can use an argumentative fallacy to exit the discussion if you wish. Its ok to make a mistake and correct. Your choice to exit without responding to what else was said is you responding emotionally rather than rationally. The fact is you cant speak against what I said regarding 'prisons', and are exiting the discussion on an off topic thing that was said because its a convenient justification for you at least in your eyes. Except its a fallacy and only in your head. So you won't …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 05:22 PM
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Men also are victims of violence significantly more than women. Violence against women from sexless men is a non issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 05:17 PM
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You are right I misquoted. 80% of women are categorized as feminine and 20% masculine. Which makes 20% of those women compatible with the majority of men who are now feminized through schooling, and the remaining 80% of women incompatible with feminized men. You also focused on one part of what I said. Care to respond to the other 90% or are you just going to cherry pick in a sad attempt to invalidate the entire argument through one small part of it
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 05:13 PM
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Studies have proven this. On birth control -> beta bob off birth control -> chad.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 04:39 PM
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63 percent aged 18 to 29.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 04:35 PM
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Not surprised you had a similar experience. Women say they want that spark, well that spark is created by the man by the man knowing how to turn the woman on. The issue is that many women have hooked up at some point with someone who knew seductgion, a lot of the PUA artist videos have MILLIONS of views. So men who have not WOKEN UP to the change in expectations look like boring beta bobs. Women have had chad who knew seduction and they then want chad for their future partner. Therefore as a man…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 04:33 PM
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When you wake up as a man you cant help but see women as children. Its a common feeling red pilled men get after learning psychology and how the brain works in both men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 04:28 PM
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thats because looks are a dealbreaker before any other attribute is considered. Read no more mr nice guy, models, the way of the superior man, the art of seduction, she comes first, you are not listening. women compete in indirect ways so you need to looks max. This means well dressed, well groomed, smell nice, white teeth. You won't appeal to a womans hypergamy looks wise if you fail to compete with her indirectly in this way.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 04:24 PM
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That doesn't make being a home maker a prison. If you were a woman on a farm you would be doing farm work like any other man. You may do less physically demanding tasks but you still provided to the capacity you could. Is that really a prison? or is it just life
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 04:22 PM
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Statistically over 80 percent of women want traditional gender roles so I have no idea what you are talking about. You are projecting your own views onto the views of other women with your use of 'us' and 'less desirable'. If anything traditional roles are making a comeback as women realize that joining the workforce is not as fulfilling as they were led to believe. Women have always been nurtured and cared for whether it was a homestead or a modern 2023 home. That hasn't changed. So equating a …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 04:20 PM
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as someone who was deprived of oxytocin for 30 years I found that oxytocin is by far the most regulating hormone in our body. After being starved of it for so long and feeling the stark difference in my whole person after getting it steadily. I learned that I would not wish oxytocin starvation on anyone. I was completely stoned after holding hands and cuddling for the first time. My first blowjob had me driving erratically down the freeway an hour later I was so stoned. Then I learned that the f…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 08:39 PM
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My partner and I have shared trauma. Not shared in the sense we went through the same events but shared in the sense that they caused the same type of wounds (abandonment, etc) and manifested in similar behaviors. I had learned to overcome these through studying psychology, and I was able to read her like a book. Poke and pry her thoughts and feelings and open her up. Also able to identify what she needs and why she behaves in certain ways. I am also able to hold her accountable and ensure she g…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 08:17 PM
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This is what all the post wall single women who are unable to bear children figure out.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 08:12 PM
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Equating traditional gender roles to being imprisoned is ridiculous. Yes, some women were treated poorly by their male partners. That is an exception makes the rule fallacy. If anything women have lost more than they have gained since they departed 'captivity'
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 08:11 PM
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We can raise awareness in regards to what is attractive to women (teach society red pill topics) to help men understand what is expected of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 08:03 PM
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On the first date, absolutely. I've had hardcore feminists get mad at me for asking to split. Its still the expectation. Later on? offer to pay. a woman offering would show me she is interested in continuing.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 08:01 PM
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statistically 80 percent of women are traditional and want traditional lives. Maybe not fully traditional, but they are girly girls. They want a man to help clean, help pay, they want to contribute too, but they are still feminine Now all the men are trained and conditioned to be like women and it starts in school. It makes those men incompatible with 80 percent of women. Attraction is based on polarity. Now we have a mass of feminine men who cant turn women on.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 07:55 PM
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Emotional availability is the ability to mirror a woman when she is vulnerable and needs emotional support. Its a mans ability to show empathy and compassion but always from a source of strength and support. Emotional availability is not a man bawling his eyes out being unable to handle himself. Men have an instinct to fix a woman crying, women have no such instinct and in fact studies show women feel disgust when a man is vulnerable in a weak way. Blue pilled women or women who want to appear m…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 07:49 PM
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when I was 18 or 19 there was a 12 or 13 year old family friend who sat on my lap and literally started grinding my dick. She did it subtly. I had to remove her, get up, and went to the bathroom to digest what just happened as I was literally just sexually assaulted. I never saw that side of the family for 10 years until that uncle was dying of cancer. I was made the bad person and she got away scot free.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 07:46 PM
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60 percent of men failed to reproduce over history (80%+ women succeeded), so this has always been the case. Nothing has changed other than women having access to more men and now we have data to back it up
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 07:42 PM
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studies show that women have a higher sex drive and libido than men do
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 07:40 PM
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They bring more because there are more expectations placed on men now than prior. They bring less relative to how much they used to relative to women because women have levelled up in society. This affects women's perception of the relative value of men. Women also only date a subset of men who have built their person on being attractive to women with the sole intent of attracting women. They have become so good at seduction that normal men who have not learned have no chance unless they learn s…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 07:36 PM
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watch youtube videos. You can unincel yourself purely by watching youtube and putting it into practice
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 07:35 PM
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As a man your goal is to build your island. Your social circle is part of your island. It is important like any other part of your island and the importance of which depends on the extent to which you are lacking compared to other men and the particular woman you are with. If you have no friends that is a giant red flag. A lot of women are anxious and have trouble making friends, and therefore rely on their partner to be a leader in this regard and bring them around. Friends can make it much eas…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 07:32 PM
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Yep. they mistake toxic masculinity and what some mysogynist said as red pill. When in fact those people may say red pill things that are correct. The thesis of the red pill is describing how the world works as backed by evolutionary psychology (in regards to how people behave) and other data (in regards to how the world works). The red pill is not negotiable or arguable. it is a description of how the world works. It is by definition factual, as anything that isn't is not red pill. This include…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 07:21 PM
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