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Well I guess the best way to understand the entire complex is to look at the very origins of RP and why there is a huge difference between the original idea of red pill and what RP is today on social media and all. The documentary of Cassie Jaye (2016) is a very balanced and touching piece of film: A feminist film maker sets out to "expose" men's rights activists just to learn that she herself has been brainwashed by the modern feminist agenda to an extend that she hated MRAs even before she eve…
/r/ExRedPill09/05/23 03:08 PM
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Thanks, and I actually am quite happy these days. I mean all I want to do is share that experience with other guys who might be stuck in that vortex for longer already - like every "sphere", the RP sphere is designed to get you hooked. Just like that TikTok type of feminism BS or other extreme views are. Truth always lies in the balance. :)
/r/ExRedPill07/05/23 01:38 PM
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Well for starters, here's a fact some of ex- or anti-redpill folks have trouble accepting: There is two sides to each coin, and arguments only happen if two parties fight. So instead of getting frustrated with your brother, you should look at the things you actually can control. One would be your own attitude towards your brother. See, I am not saying that you should agree with him and just nod off his every statements. But only fools try to extinguish fires by pouring petrol on them instead of …
/r/ExRedPill04/05/23 08:05 PM
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Well for starters: If she's the type of woman who'd ditch you for someone with a bigger dick, that says more about her than it says about you. Try to look at it from a reverse perspective: Are girls with D cups better partners than girls with A cups? Thought so. For what it is worth: I actually have been ridiculed publicly by a girl I was dating years ago. I met with her and some of her (female) friends and she just started talking about one of her ex boyfriends had a bigger dick than I have (I …
/r/ExRedPill04/05/23 07:52 PM
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I hate to be blunt, but here is the deal: If that statement is ingrained in your head, that's at least partially because you give too much importance to the statement. See, you cannot control what people tell you or not - yet you can control how much importance you attribute to that. It's just the opinion of one individual that strikes me to be an idiot. Just like "All women are sluts" or "All men must die" are opinions of pretty stupid people. Best thing to do: Not giving a fuck about their opi…
/r/ExRedPill18/03/23 12:04 PM
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"I hear so much that paying for your own will push good men away and but then you are exploiting them for having them pay." I am one of these good men and I got to tell you this: A girl paying her share on a (first) date does not push me away. The contrary is the case: To me, that's a quite clear display of respect and of her understanding that I, just because I happen to have a penis, am under no obligation to pay. Doesn't mean that I wouldn't pay if she won't suggest herself to pay her share, …
/r/ExRedPill18/03/23 11:53 AM
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This is not an answer to my question: In which case is doing somebody right cause hurt in people? Unless this question is answered and an example is given, your initial argument can't be substantiated either. I can even add something on top to prove my point: I also have been rejected countless times in my life, and not all rejections did cause hurt. Only the disrespectful, mean and sometimes even outright sociopathic ones did. I can't recall a single moment where polite, yet honest girls ever c…
/r/ExRedPill16/03/23 11:25 AM
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I fear we might not find common ground here, because every time I am attempting to demonstrate/reason why I say what I say, the echo is a: "But that is not true." If you feel that way, that's fine. We're just getting nowhere by subjectivist reasoning (counts for both of us, not just you). See, you just went down the road stating something about "minor" and "major" flaws, which will never make an objective case because what might be "minor" in your eyes can be a pretty huge deal for thousands of …
/r/ExRedPill16/03/23 11:17 AM
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Yeah, extremists are just nutjobs. Left and right alike, feminists and RPers alike, and so on. I guess every mentally sane person would agree. About the dimorphism: Exceptions prove the rule, and of course one could always make an argument by dragging biological hermaphrodites into the discussion or what ever. I am simply addressing the norm, because norms basically are deducted from reality as such. Which is the exact opposite of what some people claim when they say that norms are socially cons…
/r/ExRedPill16/03/23 11:06 AM
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I am putting myself at the risk of getting a bunch of downvotes like other people writing an honest reply, but I really want to give you an honest answer if you ask for one - we shall see if that statement about "no judgement" will actually stand or not. For as much as I want to believe in genuine egalitarianism, that utopian desire is a purely ideological one and not rooted in facts. Facts don't care about opinions - yours, mine and that of the guy over there in corner don't change reality as i…
/r/ExRedPill16/03/23 04:42 AM
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It doesn't if that's what you truly want. It is as simple as that. Just like it doesn't make you "more" of a man. You do you, and if it feels right for your and you're happy that way: Awesome.
/r/ExRedPill16/03/23 03:14 AM
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I think it is fair to say that the majority of women expect their partner to be taller than them. Exceptions may prove the rule, but I honestly haven't met a single girl so far who actually would consider dating a guy tinier than her. I asked my (ex) girlfriends as well as my platonic, female friends and every answer was a resounding: "Yeah, he should at least be a little taller than I am." It even gets to the absurd point of a girl I'd like to call "Jenny" here: Jenny's a solid 202cm tall - a s…
/r/ExRedPill16/03/23 03:10 AM
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I honestly think that you are looking at rather specific cases of men which are indeed pretty weird, if not disgusting individuals. But there is a lot more reasons though why some men avoid single mothers like the plague, and please let me explain: I personally went on dates with single moms given there are quite a lot in my age range (I am in my 30s). When I figure out that the respective woman has kids, I politely and honestly make it clear that I am not going to move things forward. That's si…
/r/ExRedPill16/03/23 02:44 AM
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"Not everything that hurts is because you were wronged." In that case, I'd really like to hear an example/case which demonstrates that doing someone right does hurt that very person. Cause at that moment, I cannot come up with a single one myself.
/r/ExRedPill16/03/23 01:50 AM
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It's a figure of speech. Whether it is 80 of 100; 95 of 100 or 99 of 100 does not matter. The fact of the matter is that the vast majority of people on this planet, at some point in time, did others wrong. That, by the way, includes me, too. And as it goes, in the majority of cases people simply weren't forced to do others wrong and/or to hurt them. They did because they decided to do it. See, the argument of the other person commenting was that we have to accept people for who they are, which c…
/r/ExRedPill16/03/23 01:35 AM
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Maybe you did not understand what I actually meant, so let me try clarify: Just because one wrong is more brutal than the other, does not make the other wrong a right. Causing physical hurt and causing mental hurt both cause hurt, that's the actual point. And the point that truly matters if you ask me. See, if I decide to go out and slap, say, 10 kids in the face, I'm still in the wrong even if I'd give some BS excuse like: "But Marc Dutroux abducted and abused children and that's way worse than…
/r/ExRedPill16/03/23 01:10 AM
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Well there is a difference between being nice and kind, yeah. I am talking about the bad kind of nice, not just being kind and able to establish boundaries. The latter I had to learn and got pretty good at it throughout the last couple of years. Being nice can (and often will) be exploited. Being kind is something else, like you say. "Not wanting to be in a relationship with someone anymore is the only valid reason someone needs to break up." Yes and no. See, of course people are free to decide …
/r/ExRedPill16/03/23 12:53 AM
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"It does sound like you’re well indoctrinated into the mgtow mentality. Most people aren’t bad or good.. good people do bad things sometimes, it’s more nuanced.. you’re thinking in black and white." Must disagree here, for several reasons: That MGTOW thing did not even exist when I first came to the conclusion that some people are "bad" people. That dates back almost thirty years and it is less a matter of being "bad" and more a matter of integrity and trust. I mean there are people I can trust …
/r/ExRedPill15/03/23 05:07 PM
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If you don't mind I'll try to write a condensed reply, just for other readers' sake. When it comes to trauma and these things, I worked these out. I had a lot of therapy sessions in my teens and early 20s and that stuff is processed properly. I also am really aware of my mental patterns, cause I know the importance trust, honour and loyalty play in my life: A lot. They are kind of the pillars my personality and due to different reasons, I seek that in partners, too. Which leads me to cheating: I…
/r/ExRedPill15/03/23 04:57 PM
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Oh, and just another thought on what you wrote in your last paragraph, about accepting people for who they are: ​ This is one of the main issues, if you ask me. Cause accepting people for who they are basically translates to me as: "Accept that 99 out of 100 people are really disgusting, depraved individuals and the ones that are the exception still treat you like crap." ​ Just adding this because that very thing is what makes that "go your own way" thing so appealing. Kind of like the "F...k hu…
/r/ExRedPill15/03/23 01:35 PM
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Codependency ain't an issue for me, at least not anymore. Self love is a different story though, maybe we can pick that up here. See, I do a lot of work on myself: I work out, meditate, read, try to be the best version of myself I can be. And for that I respect myself and in a way even admire being different than a lot of people out there who never truly grow. But I feel no love there. The concept of loving oneself just does not make sense to me. Actually it feels to me as if "loving" yourself k…
/r/ExRedPill15/03/23 01:16 PM
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I am just addressing what makes sense in order to move forward so we do not get caught up in debates without any use, ok? First of all I appreciate the reply and you taking the time to elaborate. What you write about the RP I very well figured out myself. Of course they are cult-like and exploiting the hurt of people, I even mentioned that in my original post. The big question is: How to move forward? See, I am really trying to hear you when you write things such as that this "happens to everyon…
/r/ExRedPill15/03/23 01:06 PM
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Well then we are a bit different, because I never cheated on anyone. I haven't even kissed another girl when being in a relationship with someone. That's just how I am, I am pretty old school when it comes to the idea of respect, loyalty and commitment, you see... And I had plenty of chances to cheat, trust me. Even with stunning girls. My sense of honour simply forbids me to do that. Which is also kind of something I struggle with, because I know my worth and that I am an honourable man compare…
/r/ExRedPill15/03/23 12:36 PM
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May I, first of all, point out that I find it really refreshing how you engage in a calm and respectful discussion? Really mean it, it is rather uncommon especially in the interwebz. A bit of gratitude and appreciation here. :) Great you mention Stoicism: It is my go-to philosophy, too. Actually I think a lot of what I consider to be "healthy masculinity" is of Stoic nature - because as mentioned before, we don't have to feel everything just because we can. That's an understanding that significa…
/r/ExRedPill27/01/23 12:17 PM
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Of course I am talking about extremes because that is what the entire OP is about. We also already mentioned repeatedly that a vast part of the RP community is equally delusional as their polemic counterparts on the other side, so let's just acknowledge that and move on from there: You mention social media. You do not need to tell me that they are not a real place, cause they never were and never will be. I totally agree. And again, as mentioned in my other 2 replies already: The world is not bl…
/r/ExRedPill27/01/23 12:11 PM
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I replied to the other comment of yours in detail, but let's quickly reply here: Healthy people cannot exist without the idea of healthy masculinity and femininity. I am sorry, but if you should indeed be trying to separate the one from the other, you are making no sense. Just take "healthy femininity" then: If a girl does not learn how to be confident in her own body, she might develop some disorder like anorexia, bulimia or what not. As a matter of fact, a lot of anorectic girls (statistically…
/r/ExRedPill27/01/23 12:00 PM
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Well you got a point depending on what definition of RP we are talking about. See, I am totally with you if we talk about all that Reddit kind of RP stuff or the usual shorts featuring Tate, Peterson et al. But the "original" Red Pill thing (like featured in the documentary of Cassie Jaye) is different if you ask me. I mean let's be honest here: Words like "misogynistic" are used in an inflationary sense. Just like "antisemitic", for example. Hear me out: None of that means that there aren't sev…
/r/ExRedPill27/01/23 11:37 AM
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What exactly is your point?
/r/ExRedPill23/01/23 03:22 PM
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I would second that, cause what you wrote is what I am aiming at: Getting fit/established/successful is important. Not because it "gets girls", but because this is your life and you got to make it count. What I am maneuvering towards: Would you not agree that by the end of the day, there needs to be a balance between the RP kind of self-made-man-lifestyle and opening up to people? What I mean: The RP community certainly has one valid point about not being somebody else's doormat. Doesn't really …
/r/ExRedPill23/01/23 03:22 PM
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Would agree to that, yeah. I guess I am coming from this POV: Seems to me as if a lot of online discussions simply are this think that goes like: "Either you are MGTOW or your are a simp" That is what I meant by the extremes: At least in regards to online content, I see no real difference in the MGTOW/RP stuff and the ones who oppose it so strongly. I mean heck, just look at my posting: I am calmly and collectedly raising a point for debate AND literally ask others to address points in a constru…
/r/ExRedPill23/01/23 03:17 PM
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That might be the case or not, but let's assume you are right for the sake of argument: In that case, I simply must ask this: Why is it that men end up in that desperate state in the first place? I cannot really relate to the desperation as I had to learn to live on my own at age 16 already, so given that there was no safe home and all, I inevitably had to learn how to live my life at a very early age. Women came and went, and I am fine with that, too. When it comes to the women betraying me, I …
/r/ExRedPill23/01/23 03:11 PM
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The other extreme - in case of men - is chiming in to the song of the other side on the polemic spectrum. Here's just one specific example I experienced: I used to join women's rights type of marches for over 20 years. People who know me do know that I am a egalitarian thinker, always was. Anyway, so there is this friend of mine I'm going to call Jackson here: Jackson worked double shifts after his first kid was born because his (now ex-)wife did prefer the role of a stay-at-home-mom. So far, so…
/r/ExRedPill23/01/23 02:58 PM
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