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newleaseonlife1/r/AllPillDebate15/09/23 04:32 PM
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Hmm, fair enough. For me I know personality is much more important than looks. The study seems to suggest that for most women, looks are further far down on the list of importance, wouldn't you agree?
/r/AllPillDebate17/09/23 12:46 AM
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>In line with our prediction, incels did overestimate the value women place on physical attractiveness and financial resources, although so did non-incel single men. > This effect was largely driven by the stark underestimating of women’s preferences for loyalty and dependability, kindness, and emotional maturity. ​ >While incels did make mistakes in their assessment of the value women place on these traits, they did not do so significantly more than non-incel single men. That is, both incels an…
/r/AllPillDebate17/09/23 12:15 AM
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Ah, apparently not to women according to this study.
/r/AllPillDebate16/09/23 11:42 PM
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Never said they have lower standards for physical attraction, just that looks alone are not what makes women want to have sex. I don't see an agenda, but I can understand how you'd feel that way.
/r/AllPillDebate16/09/23 11:29 PM
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Here is the entire study
/r/AllPillDebate16/09/23 11:13 PM
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Here is the study in full
/r/AllPillDebate16/09/23 11:13 PM
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here is the entire study.
/r/AllPillDebate16/09/23 11:12 PM
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No, even as you mentioned, my highest upvoted comment was that attraction sometimes builds over time. It's that much of common sense. If it was bullshit it would have not gotten any traction. Your beliefs are more the outlier. Women don't want money, they just want someone who isn't gonna slow them down or hold them back or cost them more. I've shared more than enough evidence to back up this claim in the tread. Women ultimately enter menopause and studies show that their attraction to someone v…
/r/AllPillDebate16/09/23 03:15 PM
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And women want to fuck men they admire and who make them feel safe. It makes them drip to see a man behave that way. Want to fuck. Read that as many times as you need to understand that. ...surely you see from me arguing the same way as you are how asinine this approach is
/r/AllPillDebate16/09/23 03:07 PM
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Again, that selection bias. It's just amazing to see some reason and debate this way. You keep telling me to stop but keep finding my comments to reply to. It's so interesting.
/r/AllPillDebate16/09/23 03:01 PM
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Yup, so do I. There are several resources there to back up the point that a hierarchical looks based society is not actually how women choose men to fuck. What's the most mind-boggling is that you are so sure about the anecdotal info from incels but call bullshit on the anecdotal info from women telling you this is not how their attraction works. Is your goal to only get a woman to want to fuck you once and then move on, or do you want the same woman coming back a few times, if not longer? Menta…
/r/AllPillDebate16/09/23 02:43 PM
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Females tend to be attracted to violence? Do you have anything to support that claim? As for why to study this echo chamber as opposed to reddit and the like, this is a very through and eloquent summary on the looks based hierarchy that incels believe exists and the subsequent mental and emotional fallout that is of concern to society as a whole.
/r/AllPillDebate16/09/23 02:38 PM
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It's worthwhile to study as it's often an echo chamber, so studying how ideas circulate in echo chambers is useful. Moreover, ideas become beliefs and beliefs often become actions, and are a number of mental health issues among males, which creates violence for society, so it's certainly prudent to research.
/r/AllPillDebate16/09/23 01:56 PM
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I'm not sure why the abstract is not enough in such a reputable journal, but I linked a number of full studies that you can read in my other comments that came to similar conclusions. There are cultural considerations and sexuality across cultures is routinely compared and contrasted.
/r/AllPillDebate16/09/23 11:53 AM
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The halo effect essentially says that when we see one positive quality, we sometimes assume there are others. It works in reverse too. When we see positive character traits in a person, they become more attractive to us.
/r/AllPillDebate16/09/23 02:22 AM
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They really do.
/r/AllPillDebate15/09/23 10:21 PM
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Of course college women are still women, but given that their prefrontal cortex isn't developed yet, it's not exactly prudent to use such a narrow focus to form a conclusion. ​ I'm still reading through the last study, which does raise some interesting points: ​ > Basically, it points out that if one of the partners has less value in a particular trait, this is compensated for by having another feature that is more valuable >It follows that attractiveness may be more decisive for people who have…
/r/AllPillDebate15/09/23 10:19 PM
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literally the same thing but with male pictures
/r/AllPillDebate15/09/23 09:59 PM
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https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2009/06/study-women-more-likely-than-men-to-reject-unattractive-babies/ Well, this is certainly horrifying but not relevant to this discussion as we are talking about sexual attraction. ​ College age women is not a really reliable sampling to make a conclusion about women overall, and your last link is a poll, not a study.
/r/AllPillDebate15/09/23 09:51 PM
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This large 2014 study begs to differ.
/r/AllPillDebate15/09/23 09:44 PM
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Here are a number of studies cited in full that you can peruse that come to similar conclusions about how women's attraction works in a different way than a man's. The studies linked show the basis for the claim that women don't respond to visual stimuli as much as a man does (i.e. it's not only looks).
/r/AllPillDebate15/09/23 09:33 PM
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Ok, do you happen to have any? The studies cited at the NIH concluded otherwise.
/r/AllPillDebate15/09/23 09:10 PM
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The literature on the topic shows that while neural pathways are the same, men and women differ in their response to visual stimuli
/r/AllPillDebate15/09/23 09:05 PM
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I assumed you wouldn't believe it as the truth is not something you're actually interest in. I know facts are difficult for you
/r/AllPillDebate15/09/23 08:35 PM
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Nope. But again with the believing things without proof....it's a debate sub, not a personal opinion sub. The personal attacks kinda make you seem like you don't have any actual counterpoint here.
/r/AllPillDebate15/09/23 08:34 PM
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Yup, I was raped, held financially hostage as I was the only breadwinner (he didn't work) so I was unable to leave. And he was 135 lbs and not hot at all. Even my dad said he was ugly. You assuming he was a Chad is just another example of not using actual evidence to form your conclusions. Why I picked him is simply because he wouldn't leave me alone and I had no way of leaving as he forged my name as a cosigner on student loans he took out that I'm still paying. I also had to save up for the le…
/r/AllPillDebate15/09/23 08:29 PM
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Hmm, the University of Nottingham did research into this as well and found that altruism is attractive to most people. Do you have any studies to back up your points?
/r/AllPillDebate15/09/23 08:23 PM
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Nah, as a women, to me, it's literally the things they do. More shallow women might think otherwise but they usually are not the women you wanna even talk to anyway.
/r/AllPillDebate15/09/23 07:09 PM
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So....your personal feelings as opposed to data or facts. Got it
/r/AllPillDebate15/09/23 06:27 PM
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How is this anecdote not believable but all the other ones you cited in the red pill believable. How do you determine what us true and not based on the anecdotes you read?
/r/AllPillDebate15/09/23 06:22 PM
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Facts on the ground. I just got wet reading that thinking about a man doing that....and I don't know what you look like at all. I'm all tingly lol. 🔥
/r/AllPillDebate15/09/23 05:28 PM
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Scientific research > anecdotal stories on the red pill.
/r/AllPillDebate15/09/23 05:24 PM
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And you have done nothing to even attempt to back up a single thing you say from any kind of reputable source. It's literally only your comments and you clearly are not reading....or thinking. Attraction is implied in the phrase "positive reaction" in an article about attraction. Sounds like you think you are hot but know your personality is awful so you have created the exact cognitive distortion the initial study is talking about.
/r/AllPillDebate15/09/23 05:23 PM
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Ah, fair point. Although my experience (and most of the views on this sub) has correlated to the same cognitive distortion among men. It's almost like many men think women's attraction works like theirs (i.e. based on the visuals more than other factors)
/r/AllPillDebate15/09/23 05:18 PM
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This large study says the exact opposite, that attraction is based on a range of factors https://link.springer.com/referenceworkentry/10.1007/978-3-319-28099-8_717-2#:~:text=A%20widely%20held%20idea%20is,possess%20similar%20attitudes%20and%20values.
/r/AllPillDebate15/09/23 05:13 PM
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Ok, do you have anything to back up the claim that personality and intelligence don't factor into attraction? Scientists seem to consider that idea a cognitive distortion
/r/AllPillDebate15/09/23 05:11 PM
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It seems that attraction is based on a variety of things, not just appearance. this Wikipedia article kinda starts to explain what the study verifies, that incels have some cognitive distortion in understanding how attraction works
/r/AllPillDebate15/09/23 05:10 PM
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Yes, the study is linked in the article and I linked some other studies in my edit. I'm a sapiosexual and my man is 5'7", 140 pounds, and bald and I cannot get enough of him.
/r/AllPillDebate15/09/23 05:03 PM
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Of course. this article on WebMd and reviewed by a physician explains how some people are actually attracted to intelligence Here are some additional studies https://www.psypost.org/2018/01/study-sapiosexuality-suggests-people-really-sexually-attracted-intelligence-50526 http://indianmentalhealth.com/pdf/2016/vol3-issue3/Sapiosexuality.pdf
/r/AllPillDebate15/09/23 04:58 PM
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And no, intelligence, kindness and humor are NOT attractive. They are not sexually attractive traits. They do not make women want to fuck. All they do is make a woman more or less comfortable about fucking a man she's considering fucking. Do you have a more through study to support this claim? Genuinely interested as most research doesn't seem to support that claim.
/r/AllPillDebate15/09/23 04:43 PM
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It does seem like an error in judgement/cognitive distortion. Obviously interventions only work if they are wanted unfortunately
/r/AllPillDebate15/09/23 04:40 PM
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It's a debate sub. You're supposed to source your claims
/r/AllPillDebate11/09/23 11:13 PM
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And attraction is based on a multitude of factors. There are a million stories about how women lose their attraction to their partner when they have yo do most of the labor in the relationship/family.
/r/AllPillDebate11/09/23 11:12 PM
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Legally no. Consent can be revoked at any time and if that is not honored, it becomes a crime. https://www.nagylawva.com/blog/2022/02/can-someone-take-back-sexual-consent/#:~:text=In%20short%2C%20yes%2C%20someone%20can,to%20do%20anything%20you%20want. https://www.andrewslawofficellc.com/blog/2022/05/can-someone-withdraw-consent/
/r/AllPillDebate11/09/23 09:38 PM
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No, I cannot comment on how they were forced, but state law does not require a weapon or specific verbal threat for forced sex to be a crime.
/r/AllPillDebate11/09/23 09:26 PM
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Could you provide some proof to back up the claim that regret sex is lumped in with rape statistics or is that your personal belief based on....
/r/AllPillDebate11/09/23 09:21 PM
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You can call bullshit all you want but study after study supports that statistic. Unwanted sex while unable to give consent or sex that has been forced is still considered a crime in all states even if you personally disagree with the data.
/r/AllPillDebate11/09/23 09:18 PM
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I said "forced to have sex" which means rape.
/r/AllPillDebate11/09/23 09:11 PM
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Dating and sex crimes are 2 different things. And 27% of women have been raped. That's almost 1 out of 3. Almost my man is 5'6" and I cannot get enough of him. https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/02/21/587671849/a-new-survey-finds-eighty-percent-of-women-have-experienced-sexual-harassment
/r/AllPillDebate11/09/23 08:59 PM
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Of course most women don't force men to have sex, because you don't often hear of female entitlement when it comes to sex. I used that example to illustrate how horrifying it would be to experience what almost a 1/3 of women have experienced. 81% of women have been sexually harassed and almost a 1/3 have been raped. That's no small number https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/02/21/587671849/a-new-survey-finds-eighty-percent-of-women-have-experienced-sexual-harassment
/r/AllPillDebate11/09/23 08:56 PM
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They don't say it, but the number of women who have been forced to have sex against their will or been sexually harassed kinda proves the belief that they think they are entitled to express themselves sexually when another person hasn't consented. In fact, actions speak louder than words and their actions of taking something that isn't theirs to take shows their entitlement. ​ Also spouses do not have to have sex with each other. They should for a healthy relationship, but it's not required. If …
/r/AllPillDebate11/09/23 08:41 PM
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My guy is 5'8, and I am too. We can do way more sex positions than I could do with a taller man. He fits perfectly with me and I cannot get enough of him.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/23 10:48 PM
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This is the answer. It's about control, insecurities, and general poor attitudes towards women.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/23 04:28 PM
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You clearly won the debate here.
/r/AllPillDebate08/09/23 11:03 PM
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I totally agree with you and also need intelligence to form an attraction to someone. My guy is thin, 5'8", bald, but has his PhD in philosophy from UChicago. His ideas and work ethic are super hot to me and that's why I stay with him. He's also attractive, but not gorgeous.
/r/AllPillDebate08/09/23 10:25 PM
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I've found the opposite. My mom friends who are middle aged like me all have said they are happier and less anxious. That there is something about having a kid that scratched an itch that could not be achieved any other way. My mental health is loads better after having a kid. In fact there are some studies that show that the less you menstuate, the better off you are in terms of being able to fight certain cancers. The research seems to show that location matters the most and in general, worldw…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 04:29 PM
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Just like how you wouldnt date someone with experience, I'm totally disgusted with men with a lack of it. The only virgin I ever gave a chance to ended up with an 21 month prison sentence after he acted....well... like he didn't know what he was doing and just did what he saw in porn which the state felt was a crime. That lack of experience ended up ruining his life. If your partner dies like mine did, you are gonna have to shift some of these more absurd requirements you have if you want to gro…
/r/AllPillDebate07/09/23 11:58 AM
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Both can absolutely be true. Sex does suck without a connection, but learning to please a partner takes some experience, just like literally everything we do takes some experience It's 💯 an insecurity to care how many partners someone had before you, especially with age. Are you gonna be 50 years old and still counting?
/r/AllPillDebate07/09/23 10:43 AM
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Systems theory talks a lot about autopoesis. A self replicating system is not that different from media.
/r/AllPillDebate06/09/23 05:33 PM
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Women end up promiscuous mostly due to rape, so yes, they would have some issues. Perhaps if men would stop molesting children we'd have less promiscuous behavior from women
/r/AllPillDebate06/09/23 02:40 PM
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Not all analogies are equal. This doesn't compare. I've been having sex for 26 years. I'm not keeping a spreadsheet. This is stuff teens and people without developed prefrontal cortexes do
/r/AllPillDebate06/09/23 12:58 PM
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Yes, generally I ignore people who don't improve my life.
/r/AllPillDebate06/09/23 11:58 AM
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Yikes. I'm not gonna debate with someone who cannot debate. You just said a VIRGIN WHO FUCKS CHADS. HOW CAN SHE BE A VIRGIN IF SHE FUCKS....
/r/AllPillDebate06/09/23 11:57 AM
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Again, random metrics. 20 men for a 20 year old is a lot different than 20 men for a 45 year old. Also WHO THE FUCK KEEPS COUNT. Oh, insecure men do. Take a debate class. This is some low IQ shit.
/r/AllPillDebate06/09/23 11:54 AM
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You are making up random metrics Take a debate class or something
/r/AllPillDebate06/09/23 11:52 AM
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Some reading comprehension helps. No one said that...you are gaslighting yourself.
/r/AllPillDebate06/09/23 11:51 AM
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Experience does not equal promiscuity. Science also says promiscuity is usually the result of rape or abuse, so obviously those women will be more unstable
/r/AllPillDebate06/09/23 11:50 AM
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Do you hear yourself gaslighting yourself? Get some help.
/r/AllPillDebate06/09/23 11:46 AM
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Ok, so why not just say that you are too insecure to please a woman who can also please you? Sex is allllll mental, which you just said. It's the same for a woman, she is not gonna make you happy if she doesn't like sex already, and virgins typically don't. That's why they never tried to get it on their own. Sex is just not important to them. Hope you enjoy your starfish as she lays there crying in pain from not wanting sex with you.
/r/AllPillDebate06/09/23 10:37 AM
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It's not about aggressive hunger, it's about desiring your partner enough to want to make their fantasies come true, whether that's anal or something else. No woman is gonna be enthusiastic on the first few times with someone. It's scary and it hurts and it definitely shows which men have had practice on a woman and which haven't. The latter end up tearing our labia. And I can promise you that you are gonna get much better, more pleasurable sex from a woman who knows how to make you feel like yo…
/r/AllPillDebate06/09/23 10:28 AM
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Bro, I'm 40 years old, have been married and lived a life. This is childish nonsense. Who the fuck is going out getting ONS expecting good sex? It always sucks without a connection....which takes time to develop. You absolutely do need some special skills to be good at sex. Do you think a woman can facefuck or have anal well on the first try? That shit takes months/years of training.
/r/AllPillDebate06/09/23 10:18 AM
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And that's an incels typical response. You wouldn't know any different. I'm happy to have just enough experience to be told by every long term partner that it's the best sex they ever had. If a man makes it far enough to bed with me, he is gonna get my very best, things a person only learns from some experience. But I bet you have no idea what its like to have sex so good that can bring a man to tears in a woman's hair/neck. That kind of intimacy only comes from experience I'm 40 and was married…
/r/AllPillDebate06/09/23 10:08 AM
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The same guys who complain about high body count women are the same guys that complain about starfish and dead bedrooms. Low body count almost always yields little interest in sex in a LTR.
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 11:31 PM
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No, like my BF is a 50 year old 5'7", bald, thin guy. But he is such a good fit with me and my life, my attraction to him is not even satisfied with sex. I just want more and more sex with him. I like his body a lot and it fits well with mine, especially in bed.
/r/AllPillDebate04/09/23 10:04 PM
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Nah. I like guys who are closer to my height. They fit into my body better. We can do a wider range of positions too
/r/AllPillDebate04/09/23 08:22 PM
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My thin guys also work out for health reasons, but they are not jacked or have big muscles.
/r/AllPillDebate04/09/23 06:23 PM
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They do. They are more passionate with less ego, it's so much hotter.
/r/AllPillDebate04/09/23 06:09 PM
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No, I'm pretty fit myself and work out 4 times a week with a trainer. I just dont like big muscles on guys. I'm 40 and all my partners have been on the thin side or the dad bod side, but mostly thin. I really don't like muscles, they just are not comfortable to cuddle with. I generally gravitate towards someone's mind and personality more and that's far more fulfilling.
/r/AllPillDebate04/09/23 05:49 PM
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Would never have sex with a man like that. I once dated a bodybuilder and he was just miserable to cuddle with. Not soft enough and there was no comfortable spot for me. Gimme the dad bods, shorter guys, thin guys alllll day long. They fuck better.
/r/AllPillDebate04/09/23 04:58 PM
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The other guy who was saying all the elementary ed students he knew were dumb...but all the teachers I know are smart as a whip and their kids are always really smart and cool. They are probably awesome at raising kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/23 11:43 PM
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