Are men overestimating physical attraction?

newleaseonlife1 · 2023-09-15T16:32:51+00:00

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/00224499.2023.2248096?journalCode=hjsr20Thoughts on this study??...

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No, this is one study which cites within it to several studies that talk about women's attraction, but do not state that women's attraction works differently.

They state that women's sexual response starts out the same but then looking for different things like commitment and variety. We are talking about SEXUAL attraction. Not "relationships". Not "attraction for a relationship". Not "long term relationships".

We are talking about who women want to fuck. Not who they're willing to fuck in exchange for commitment and money. Not who they fuck because they have to in a marriage. Not who they fuck because of duty or obligation. WANT TO FUCK.

And who women want to fuck are the best looking men.

WANT TO FUCK. WANT. Not willing. Not have to. Not obligated. WANT.

Please stop. You are dealing here with someone who actually knows how to read social science research.

Stop.

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No. Not "choose men to fuck". WANT to fuck.

This isn't hierarchical looks based society either. This is about who women want to fuck. This isn't societal. It's biological.

This isn't just anecdotes from incels. It's from men across the board, from all walks of life, all races, creeds, nationalities, and income levels. It's just men sharing notes. And what comes out is there's basically one type of man who women want to fuck. WANT to fuck. WANT. Not "willing" to fuck. Not "feels obligated to" fuck. Not "willing to fuck in exchange for commitment and money". WANT.

This also isn't about me or my goals. This is about the truth. Objective observable reality you can see with your eyes. Which I can see. I know the only way you can get traction is to attack me personally, but it won't work. This is not about me. THIS IS NOT ABOUT ME. None of your lies will make it about me.

This isn't about what I want from a woman, whether I want one fuck or a thousand. This is about what anyone with 3 brain cells can see that women want.

Stop.. Please. Just stop.

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No, even as you mentioned, my highest upvoted comment was that attraction sometimes builds over time. It's that much of common sense. If it was bullshit it would have not gotten any traction. Your beliefs are more the outlier.

Women don't want money, they just want someone who isn't gonna slow them down or hold them back or cost them more. I've shared more than enough evidence to back up this claim in the tread.

Women ultimately enter menopause and studies show that their attraction to someone varies throughout the month and throughout time given the circumstances in their lives. We are keenly aware that looks are not gonna work for us sometimes simply due to our bodies. As you said, it's biological. A woman in fully blown menopause feels like she does in her post luteal phase, and she knows looks just dont matter as much at that time. That the mental and emotional connection are needed.

The brain is the biggest sex organ we have.

Again, your only argument that you have presented is "look around". That is what selection bias is.

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False. This made "altruistic" men more "desirable" only for long term relationships.

This does NOT say that altruism made these women want to fuck these men. This does not say that altruism made these women's pussies wet. This does not say even that altruism made these women willing to fuck these men.

Just because a woman could be a little more interested in a sexually unattractive man for a long term relationship does not mean she wants to fuck the guy. Remember: a woman's interest in a man for an LTR means "you will immediately commit everything you have to me. You will immediately give me unfettered exclusive access to all of your resources."

That is NOT sexual attraction. "I'll be in an LTR with you and I'm willing to accept all your resources" is NOT the same as "I am dying to fuck you".

Please stop. Just... stop. You're embarrassing yourself now.

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The link is to a "scientific" "study". From the abstract:

Incels (and non-incel single men) significantly overestimated the importance of physical attractiveness and financial prospects to women, and underestimated the importance of intelligence, kindness, and humor.

I want to know the specific scientific basis for this claim. I want to know specifically how this was assessed and measured.

It is not just men's imagination that looks are paramount. And no, intelligence, kindness and humor are NOT attractive. They are not sexually attractive traits. They do not make women want to fuck. All they do is make a woman more or less comfortable about fucking a man she's considering fucking.

Furthermore, incels underestimated women’s overall minimum mate preference standards.

So, in other words, it's even worse than incels claim it is.

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Yeah nothing in that study debunks looks mattering more or the fact that we cant even percieve personality well duo to halo horn effect

https://reis.cis.es//REIS/PDF/REIS_159_07_ENGLISH1499424514902.pdf

For men, the
results show that being unattractive decreases the likelihood of finding a
partner, of finding a partner with a university degree, and of finding a
partner with a higher educational level. For women, physical
attractiveness does not affect the likelihood of any of those events
occurring.``

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s40806-017-0092-x

``First, daughters more strongly value mate characteristics connoting genetic quality (such as physical attractiveness) than their parents. Second, both daughters and their parents report valuing characteristics other than physical attractiveness most strongly (e.g., ambition/industriousness, friendliness/kindness). However, the prior research relies solely on self-report to assess daughters’ and parents’ preferences. We assessed mate preferences among 61 daughter-mother pairs using an experimental design varying target men’s physical attractiveness and trait profiles. We tested four hypotheses investigating whether a minimum level of physical attractiveness was a necessity to both women and their mothers and whether physical attractiveness was a more important determinant of dating desirability than trait profiles. These hypotheses were supported. Women and their mothers were strongly influenced by the physical attractiveness of the target men and preferred the attractive and moderately attractive targets. Men with the most desirable personality profiles were rated more favorably than their counterparts only when they were at least moderately attractive``

https://thedecisionlab.com/biases/halo-effect

he halo effect often occurs when we consider appearances. A classic example is when one assumes that a physically attractive individual is likely to also be kind, intelligent, and sociable. We are inclined to attribute positive characteristics to this attractive person even if we have never interacted with them.

The horn effect is essentially the complete opposite of the halo effect. The horn effect is a cognitive process in which we immediately ascribe negative attitudes or behaviours to someone based on one aspect of their appearance or character. A common example of this is overweight people, who unfortunately are often stereotyped as being lazy, slovenly or irresponsible

So yeah not only is personality less important the personality we are judging isnt even correct duo to halo horn effect

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Of course college women are still women, but given that their prefrontal cortex isn't developed yet, it's not exactly prudent to use such a narrow focus to form a conclusion.

I'm still reading through the last study, which does raise some interesting points:

> Basically, it points out that if one of the partners has less value in a particular trait, this is compensated for by having another feature that is more valuable

>It follows that attractiveness may be more decisive for people who have less capital in other aspects (low educational levels or working-class background) than those who have advanced educational quali- fications or come from a medium or high so- cial background.

> In the data used in this study there were a greater proportion of people considered attractive among those who had a higher education level, and among the chil- dren from the professional classes, and a greater proportion of unattractive people among those with a lower education level and who were from a working-class back- ground. This corroborates the notion that cultural capital to some extent way requires certain standards concerning physical ap- pearance,

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Put it to you this way guys, I'm decent looking. Like I blend and don't stand out. Women aren't repulsed if you will.

That being said I was at a middle school soccer game a few years ago. The easy these bleachers are set its a 15 foot drop to the field. One open gate at goal line and a 7 ft fence all around.

Kid broke his arm @mid field. Could see bones sticking out. I jumped down the bleachers. 15 ft and landed and ran out to treat this kid. "No trainers coaches are volunteers." Now oddly enough my kid came over to "Help" because I teach first aid to his scout group.

I hand him my knife and he starts cutting my shirt into strips. I stopped the bleeding as best I could and tied his arm in a sling to keep it from moving.

I try to let him walk to preserve his pride but he passed out. I carry this kid as least 80 yards to the parking lot. "No father in sight" and help him into his mother's car.

I go back and watch the rest of this game in a wife beater under shirt with a little blood on it. I can not go to games without my wife and not have women flirt with me. It gets brought up all the time and it's been 5 or more years.

My wife says women constantly mention how she's lucky to have such a "manly" husband. How their husband's just sat there. A few of these women were nurses. I had this kid loaded into the car by the time they came to check on him.

In one bad situation I proved exactly how manly I was. These women compare their husband's to one event where I reacted differently. Constantly.

There are things going on in these women's to make you attractive or unattractive you'll never know guys. How you act in public is a bigger factor than how you look. Women take in a lot of information. Not being attracted to men you guys are going to find everything going into their calculations difficult to figure out.

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Yup, I was raped, held financially hostage as I was the only breadwinner (he didn't work) so I was unable to leave. And he was 135 lbs and not hot at all. Even my dad said he was ugly. You assuming he was a Chad is just another example of not using actual evidence to form your conclusions.

Why I picked him is simply because he wouldn't leave me alone and I had no way of leaving as he forged my name as a cosigner on student loans he took out that I'm still paying. I also had to save up for the legal fees (I had to pay him alimony and all his legal fees). I was young and figured no one would want me anyway since my parents told me that all the time. I didn't know better, and it was through therapy that I learned I deserved better. I was only able to leave and keep my kid safe from him once I had enough evidence, and that took a number of years.

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Are you seriously saying that you married a shitbag because he forged some loan documents?

Seriously?

WTF is wrong with you? Even a nonlawyer could tell you that that's not a reason to marry a guy. It's just so outlandish and incredibly stupid.

Women marry shitbags because they're good at blowing their backs out, or they're fun, or they get good drugs, or life's an adventure with them, or they get knocked up.

They don't marry shitbags because of forged loan documents.

You know what normal people do when someone forges loan documents? They call police, they get lawyers, they file civil lawsuits, they press criminal charges.

They don't marry the forger and they sure as fuck don't let the forger knock them up.

That's why your story isn't credible. No one responds to forged loan documents with "uh, well, guess we gotta get married".

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I feel bad for some of these boys that think holding a conversation and making eye contact is all women mean when they say personality matters.

Half the dates or hookups I ever got me and the boys were drinking beer, working on a car, truck, boat, or bike and the guy who's house we were at would have a girlfriend that would get board and call other girls over.

Was helping a friend rebuild a motorcycle engine when I met my wife. His girlfriend got bored. Called my wife over. I didn't know her at the time.

She'd never been on a motorcycle so I took her out on mine. That's how I got a lot of my girlfriends in the past honestly.

The guys that are playing video games at home alone on the other hand. Well my hobbies are just as time consuming but women don't see them as useless in the same way. And of course they are more social than a gamer.

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Title	Are men overestimating physical attraction?
Author	newleaseonlife1
Upvotes	2
Comments	187
Date	September 15, 2023 4:32 PM UTC (2 years ago)
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