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Don’t be a free agent in life. What do you mean by this?
/r/MensRights31/07/25 06:37 PM
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I disagree - every one of those women can get sex if they want it.
/r/MensRights23/04/25 04:51 PM
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Yep. I've long held that there are so few femcels as to be insignificant and not worth discussing. Functionally, there's no such thing as a femcel.
/r/MensRights23/04/25 04:50 PM
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There is no such thing as a femcel (with certain very, very narrow exceptions). I've known hundreds of women, and I've known exactly two in my entire 54 years on this plant who really could not attract any men. There is no such thing as a femcel.
/r/MensRights17/12/24 03:46 PM
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These are not "anecdotal examples". These are real events which actually happened. No, they're not far more likely to be raped. They're far more likely to be unwilling recipients of unwanted sexual attention. "Hey there, how are you" is NOT rape. "Oh, come on, smile" is NOT rape. Catcalling and whistling is NOT rape. Trying to chat up a woman who is aggressively disinterested in you is NOT rape. Women try to tell us these are tantamount to rape, but they are not. They might be rude, crass, and b…
/r/MensRights11/11/24 04:33 PM
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I thought this, until: --the UVA fake frat rape case involving Jackie Coakley (now Jacqueline Coakley McGovern) happened --the Duke lacrosse team false rape case involving Crystal Mangum happened So, yes, I think this is a real concern. Absolutely.
/r/MensRights11/11/24 03:44 PM
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I bet you won't do that again.
/r/MensRights11/11/24 01:58 PM
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Which is why we as men don't owe women anything. If a woman isn't banging me, related to me, or paying me, she gets nothing from me.
/r/MensRights11/11/24 01:58 PM
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--He doesn't own her body; but she owns his. She owns all the money he will ever earn with his body even if she divorces him --She gets to do whatever she wants, show off her body at a nudist colony. But if he looks at porn, he's "cheated" on her. She can go to a nudist colony and not tell her husband. But if he goes anywhere and doesn't tell her, it's cause for divorce. Women don't care about hypocrisy. They care only about their feelings and that they've "won".
/r/MensRights10/10/24 02:22 PM
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I have been watching this false statistic get more and more false over the past 5 years. This. So much this. The false statements on this topic have truly reached epic proportions. Somehow, "he looked at me funny" and "an unattractive man walked into the same room with me at work" have become synonymous with "rape".
/r/MensRights10/10/24 01:55 PM
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It's bullshit. It's more like "25% of women have had an unpleasant experience with a man" and that somehow got telephone gamed into "25% of women have been violently raped". Most of the conduct women complain of is --a bad date --a guy who lied to her --she lied to him --she thought he was normal, he turned out to be weird --he accidentally brushed his hand on her ass or breast while on the date --he intentionally brushed his hand on her ass or breast while on the date --he moved too fast to sex…
/r/MensRights10/10/24 01:51 PM
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Online, they don't say "creep" they call them "inc ls".
/r/MensRights19/09/24 05:51 PM
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I hope you broke up with that 5 year relationship. Cheating is a dealbreaker any and every time. She cheats, we're done.
/r/MensRights03/09/24 03:27 PM
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Feminism was always about women>men. It was always about women having power at men's expense.
/r/MensRights03/09/24 03:07 PM
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I'm not helping any woman I'm not related to or paid by anymore. I don't owe women anything. I don't owe an individual woman anything. I certainly don't owe it to you to put myself in harm's way to save your kid. I don't care about your kids. I care about my kids. Ms. Tolstoy, your baby daddy is hiding out in France after being accused of embezzlement in Russia. How about you go get your baby daddy to save your kids? Your kids are your responsibility and that of your baby daddy. Have him stick h…
/r/MensRights03/09/24 02:50 PM
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A lot of the comments on the Mail article are about men justifiably not helping women in any way because of feminism (true) and because Cornwall riptides are very dangerous and everyone, not just women and girls, need to avoid them.
/r/MensRights03/09/24 02:46 PM
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Yes. Women cannot do; and in most cases just will not do, "dirty jobs" like sanitation, sewage, or the trades. They just won't do those jobs.
/r/MensRights03/09/24 02:40 PM
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Of course not. Feminism has always been, and will always be, about power. Power for women at men's expense. Taking from men and giving to women. Women getting benefits of adulthood, work, and "independence"; while bearing none of the burdens and having none of the obligations. It has always been about reengineering society to maximize benefits for women, while requiring men to pay for it.
/r/MensRights03/09/24 02:36 PM
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Women in EE countries are known to be some of the most fiercely, toxically feminine in the world. They demand uncompromising, rugged masculinity, they mercilessly shame any man who puts up with any of their shit; they use men; they don't respect men; and they are among the most selfish, self absorbed women on the planet.
/r/MensRights03/09/24 02:23 PM
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All men need to do this. All men need to be able to tell a woman "no". They all will have to tell their wives "no" at some point. You have to learn how to do this or you'll get walked upon.
/r/MensRights03/09/24 02:10 PM
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Not true. Women set boundaries for men all the time. Women set boundaries for sex partners, boyfriends, and husbands all the time. Women do so primarily in unhealthy ways, chiefly by weaponizing sex.
/r/MensRights03/09/24 01:47 PM
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OK. I won't.
/r/MensRights23/08/24 01:22 PM
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She's still married, evidently. And she's married to the head baseball coach of the high school in the town where they live. He was a minor league pro baseball player. They have 2 kids. Just goes to show you can be an attractive athlete and your wife will still cheat on you.
/r/MensRights14/08/24 02:04 PM
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So they can get sex.
/r/MensRights14/08/24 01:29 AM
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i have a tough time believing his vasectomy isn't reversible. But that said - it's so typical that a woman gets literally everything she wants from a man, and then offloads him and destroys his life.
/r/MensRights12/08/24 06:57 PM
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they'd be busy working like gnomes underground to support the infrastructure women enjoy, but go unseen. That's what women want of the 60%. They want those men to fix the roads, change the oil in their cars, fix their smartphones, bring their food to the grocery stores, and make sure their computers and internet works. Otherwise, they want these men to stay away from them and never talk to them.
/r/MensRights09/08/24 03:44 PM
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Take it out and prove them wrong.
/r/MensRights09/08/24 03:10 PM
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I absolutely will not sacrifice anything for anyone I don't know. Especially women I don't know. I will not put myself in harm's way for any woman who's not related to me, banging me, or paying me.
/r/MensRights09/08/24 03:07 PM
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Women see three categories of men --men she's physically attracted to (5 to 10%) --"relationship guys" (20% to 30%) --all other men (males) (remaining 60%). A woman does not see this last category even as "men". They're just "males" to her. They're sexual blanks, almost neuter - neither male nor female
/r/MensRights09/08/24 02:12 PM
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Yes, it's fucked. We live in a world in which women get everything for free, and men are expected to work their asses off for crumbs and table scraps.
/r/MensRights09/08/24 02:10 PM
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You got a downvote; but I don't know why... this is exactly why
/r/MensRights31/07/24 06:02 PM
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--talk to a lawyer --find out if she has talked to police. Find out if charges have been filed or any complaints to any police agencies have been made. --admit nothing. Do not talk about this to anyone, especially not anyone in her family. --do not talk to anyone in her family about any of this. If you haven't done so already, go complete no contact with her and everyone else in her family, especially her father. --do not give a statement to anyone except your lawyer. Do not give a statement to …
/r/MensRights31/07/24 05:59 PM
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Women are on their own from here on out. I'm not helping any woman I'm not related to or working for. If you're not banging me, related to me or paying me, you're on your own.
/r/MensRights18/07/24 08:16 PM
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I’m not obsessed with sex. It is simply important to me that men not get taken advantage of.
/r/MensRights22/05/24 02:52 AM
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Exactly. Feminism is just Marxism/socialism applied by women to society.
/r/MensRights21/05/24 01:10 PM
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Sprinkle Sprinkle
/r/MensRights21/05/24 12:54 PM
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It's typical of women, really: they demand all the privileges and benefits of liberalized society while still demanding that men take on all the burdens of traditional society. Just don't. If a woman isn't banging me, related to me, or paying me, she gets nothing from me. If you date a woman, sex happens before any significant monetary investment is made. One or two drink dates, walking dates, coffee dates only until sex happens. No dinner dates, no trips, no concerts, no money investment, until…
/r/MensRights21/05/24 12:49 PM
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I absolutely believe this is true. Which is why a lot of men are "quiet quitting".
/r/MensRights22/04/24 01:02 PM
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There is no such thing as a femcel. Any woman who isn't having sex or doesn't have a man, is such by her own volition. 99.9999999999% of women could get men for sex if they wanted to. They could also find men for relationships. They choose not to. It's not that they're unable to; it's that they choose not to.
/r/MensRights22/04/24 12:57 PM
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I've not personally been through anything like this. But from general knowledge I can tell you the following --your marriage is over. It cannot be saved. You need to institute divorce proceedings now. --you need to seek your own order of protection against her. --document absolutely everything. Document your past with her. Document what she is doing now. Document what she's done in the immediate past. Document your STBXW's erratic behavior. Document your sensible behavior. Get as much photograph…
/r/MensRights20/04/24 07:34 PM
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No, the "first incel" was not an incel. She was a mentally ill woman who was a volcel. Any woman who's not having sex is so of her own volition. With very, very, VERY few exceptions (like less than .0001%), any woman out there can get sex if she wants it. An incel is someone who is unable to get sex. 99.9999999999999% of women out there can get sex if they want it. They're not "unable" to get sex. It's that they don't want sex with the men who will give it to them. There is no such thing as a fe…
/r/MensRights20/04/24 04:17 PM
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There is no such thing as a femcel.
/r/MensRights20/04/24 04:10 PM
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No police report, no SA no rape kit, no SA No photos, no SA no lawsuit, no SA
/r/MensRights20/04/24 02:15 PM
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Yeah. Or just "being in the presence of a woman while unattractive" "Rape" and "assault" - "a man existing while unattractive"
/r/MensRights19/04/24 06:18 PM
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You mean "victims" of "SA" (which really means some regret sex or drunk sex)
/r/MensRights19/04/24 05:35 PM
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Well this is the USA, and here, no one gives a shit about men and certainly not about diseases that affect men.
/r/MensRights27/03/24 02:41 PM
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No one cares about it because it's a male disease that affects only men. All this shit you mentioned is a drop in the bucket compared with breast cancer research and HIV research
/r/MensRights27/03/24 02:26 PM
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Breast cancer research is mostly political - a result of NOW and the Komen Foundation. It's yet another way for women to use their unique physiology to guilt men into giving them money.
/r/MensRights26/03/24 02:38 PM
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What? You're the one who's wringing his hands here about a man treating women like shit. This guy didn't do anything other than what men who date multiple women have always done, and that women have always been trained on and know about. (What, you think women don't know attractive men act like this?) They don't get to blast him on social media. When they do, it's actionable. If they don't like the guy, don't date him. That simple. This has to do with mens rights because what these women are doi…
/r/MensRights26/03/24 01:19 PM
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Historically, yes. That's been totally reversed with extreme medical focus on breast cancer research. The medical community's work on breast cancer has consumed more money, man-hours, and effort than literally every medical condition, with the possible exception of HIV research. Know what disease no one cares about? Prostate cancer.
/r/MensRights26/03/24 01:13 PM
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It isn't just defamation, which requires proof that the women made false statements. There are other things men can claim --intrusion on seclusion: Man living a private life, women using social media to expose him to unwanted publicity --public disclosure of private facts: Dating lives are ordinarily kept quiet and private. Facts about his life are being disclosed for the specific purpose of damaging him --false light: Publishing facts about the man and his life but spinning them so as to make h…
/r/MensRights26/03/24 01:05 PM
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So what? men have been dating multiple women and lying to them for EONS. And women have been shittalking men for doing that for EONS. Social media is the factor here - it's forever; it's damaging, and it's intrusive. Women put these things out on social media for the specific purpose of destroying these men socially, professionally, and economically. The specific purpose of these women's actions was to make these men unemployable. And that's wrong. These girls know what they're getting into when…
/r/MensRights26/03/24 01:02 PM
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Incls are deliberately misrepresented and lied about. People just flat out LIE about all this.
/r/MensRights04/03/24 09:22 PM
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Get a lawyer.
/r/MensRights23/02/24 02:49 PM
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I’m never going away.
/r/MensRights22/02/24 04:12 AM
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Not going to happen.
/r/MensRights22/02/24 01:52 AM
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Yeah. All a woman has to do to meet men is look good, go out in public, and not be a bitch. That's all there is to it.
/r/MensRights21/02/24 09:06 PM
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Huh? Since when do women need instruction on how to pick up men? Ladies, here's your instruction on how to pick up men: 1) Be alive and sentient. Have a pulse, a respiration rate, and at least 3 functioning brain cells. 2) Go out in public. Exist. Don't be a bitch. 3) Go to bar. Sit on barstool. Look pleasant, and don't be a bitch. If you can't pick up men doing this, you're doing it wrong.
/r/MensRights21/02/24 03:41 PM
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Because, you see, according to current society, women are entitled to all the benefits of full citizenship without taking on the concomitant responsibilities. Because, you see, expecting women to be responsible is misogynist and hateful and mean-spirited and nasty. Because, you stupid man, you, women should not be expected to be responsible. Cuz childbirth. Cuz damsel in distress. Cuz reverse discrimination. Cuz unfair. Cuz reasons, you asshole. Now shut up and shovel the dirt. No sex for you! /…
/r/MensRights20/02/24 04:16 PM
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Current definition of "misogynist" --a man who thinks for himself. --a man who disagrees with a woman --a man who won an argument with a woman --a man who got into an argument with a woman --a man who broke up with a woman --a man who rejected a woman --a man who doesn't want to date, wants to remain single --a man who doesn't want to get married --a man who has expectations and standards for any woman in his life --a man who refuses to put up with bullshit from a woman (or anyone else, for that…
/r/MensRights20/02/24 03:46 PM
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I especially hate Matt Walsh. Smug, self righteous, who has no idea what red pill men have been through. "Yes, marriage is hard, and you might lose everything, your children's lives might get destroyed. She might ruin your life. Get married anyway. It's your duty to your society. It's your duty to God and country. You have an obligation to save Western civilization." Fuck you.
/r/MensRights20/02/24 03:43 PM
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Male-female relationships: Women want all the benefits of modernism while bearing none of the responsibilities. Women can be nontraditional and are celebrated for it (sexual promiscuity, eschewing marriage and motherhood, demanding "equality" in relationships) while at the same time demanding traditional behavior from men (man pays for everything, man supports her financially, "what's mine is mine but what's yours is ours", man required to protect her and die for her, chivalry, men required to h…
/r/MensRights19/02/24 03:26 PM
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I'm not a fan of Reeves. He demands traditionalism and traditional behavior from men while not requiring the same from women. Women who want traditional men must be traditional themselves. That means virgin (or at least low N) brides. That means SAHM. That means no divorce without one of the A's (abuse, adultery, addiction, abandonment). Nontraditional women and nontraditional societies do not get to demand traditional men.
/r/MensRights19/02/24 02:51 PM
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That's not a study. That's a poll. The fact is that women cheating on their husbands is always more damaging to a marriage than men cheating on their wives. Female cheating is almost always fatal to a marriage.
/r/MensRights19/02/24 02:33 PM
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You, sir, are a victim of spousal abuse. You're being abused. She is emotionally and verbally and mentally abusing you.
/r/MensRights19/02/24 02:27 PM
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--men work harder and longer in tougher jobs --men stay in the workforce longer in those tougher jobs --men gravitate to tougher and harder but higher paying jobs and stay in them longer --women leave the workforce voluntarily to have and raise children --women have options. They can work part time, flex time, full time. They job share. Men have only 2 options. Their options are "Work or starve. Work or die." --whenever you give women a choice between working full time and SAHM, they pick SAHM o…
/r/MensRights19/02/24 02:24 PM
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Yes. We can't have a world where you're an adult for some purposes and not others (except for things like drinking and smoking where there are valid policy reasons for exempting those and we can effectively regulate them). There are no valid policy reasons for exempting female sexual conduct - in fact women fought tooth and nail for the right to fuck whoever they want; and women have been pounding us over the head for 200 years that, except for their reproductive tracts and mammary glands, they …
/r/MensRights10/02/24 12:54 AM
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I see. Divorce time.
/r/MensRights09/02/24 06:48 PM
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Yeah, if you're married, your wife needs to know about this and if you have a problem in your marriage with this, she needs to actively work to fix it.
/r/MensRights09/02/24 06:41 PM
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No it's not. An 18 year old is fair game. Don't blame men for this. Women wanted it this way. Women wanted to be fully agentic legal adults with all the benefits of adulthood. With benefits come responsibilities - and that includes being responsible for your choices in whom you fuck. Women told us they are strong and independent and they can handle it all. Fine. Then women should be expected to handle it like they said they could.
/r/MensRights09/02/24 06:36 PM
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The purpose of this is typical of women: Women want all the benefits of adulthood while having to shoulder none of the responsibilities. People get all twisted up over 18 year old women dating men in their 20s and 30s because of a "power imbalance". Which is bullshit, because young women have positively immense sexual and social power and thus any knowledge power or maturity power a man has is more than counterbalanced by the young woman's power. This isn't even to mention the fact that the woma…
/r/MensRights09/02/24 06:32 PM
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This is a story a lot of people don't want to talk about: Women's rageful acting out after being rejected. Women hate rejection and judgment. They hate it. When you reject a woman, be very sure about it, because she will hate you with a purple passion for the rest of her life and your life, whichever ends first. She'll never have a kind word for you ever again. A lot of women will slash your tires or key your car; but more women will just shittalk you on the internet. A few women will take it to…
/r/MensRights09/02/24 03:27 PM
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I just checked. I am also unable to post at offmychest. Also got banned at dating_advice.
/r/MensRights01/02/24 10:40 PM
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My response is that women's fears in this regard are insanely overblown. To the extent a woman fears such a man's response, such is a direct result of the men she chooses to interact with/put herself around.
/r/MensRights11/01/24 08:27 PM
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10 men can easily impregnate 100 women. Fathering the children is a much different matter and not necessary to actually get the children into the world and propagate the species.
/r/MensRights12/12/23 07:46 PM
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spermicide is ON the condom, not IN the condom.
/r/MensRights12/12/23 05:15 PM
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THis is why you flush used condoms. Or better yet, put tabasco sauce in the condom and then flush it.
/r/MensRights12/12/23 05:15 PM
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It isn't illegal. It isn't, because no one cares about men. Remove the condom and flush it. Or better yet remove it, put tabasco sauce in it, and then flush it.
/r/MensRights12/12/23 05:14 PM
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Yeah, that "ick" is lack of sexual attraction and refusal to even acknowledge the man as human. It's because women expect men to protect and serve them even when men will get nothing in return for said protection and service. It's because men are utilities to women; and if a man shows himself to be human with negative feelings and emotions, his utility to her is lessened. And he certainly cannot be a sexual partner. Women expect utter perfection from their sex partners - perfect emotional regula…
/r/MensRights12/12/23 04:10 PM
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It's also because men are expendable and disposable. We don't need a lot of men to propagate the species. We need every woman we can get, though. 10 men can stay busy impregnating 100 women. We don't need the other 90 - they become cannon fodder or die in work accidents or work themselves to death or are just shunted aside.
/r/MensRights12/12/23 03:24 PM
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That's different. Men band together into tribes for common interest but those things are typically for political advantage and economic gain. Men don't band together as men for any purpose. Women do. Women do band together with a specific focus on issues pertaining explicitly to the disadvantages of their gender. Men just don't do that.
/r/MensRights12/12/23 03:07 PM
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Yes. This is exactly it. And because men compete against other men for resources and for women. Men are perpetually locked in mortal political and social combat with other men.
/r/MensRights12/12/23 02:57 PM
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From Chris Christie? A dumb ass fat ass polling at, what, 2%? Trump rightly told that fat fuck to take a hike. Shut up, Christie. Eat another burger.
/r/MensRights07/12/23 08:57 PM
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I skimmed your post and hope I got the high points. No, you didn't deserve this. But this happened because of your mental and emotional issues, your failure to deal with those before you got into a relationship, your ex's mental and emotional issues, your ex's lack of attraction to you, and your ex's incompatibility with you. In the near immediate term, you need to get your mental and emotional issues sorted. You also need to learn basics and fundamentals of social interaction. The last thing yo…
/r/MensRights05/12/23 08:27 PM
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Yep. You're also having sex with your GF, you want that sex to continue, and you know how difficult it was to get this one. You know that if she leaves, it will take you weeks or months to replace her; while she'll be banging a new guy inside of 24 hours. She knows that too. "I wanna get married, and if we're not going to get married, I think I'll go fuck other guys we should see other people."
/r/MensRights05/12/23 06:58 PM
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Due respect OP, your wife does not sound like a fantastic person. She sounds entitled, bitchy, narcissistic, inattentive, self centered, and thoughtless. She needs to grow the fuck up, start being a wife and a partner, and start giving you what you need from the relationship. You need to stand up for yourself and tell her in no uncertain terms that she's being totally unreasonable and that she will respect your boundary or you'll start imposing consequences, up to and including divorce. In 2023 …
/r/MensRights05/12/23 06:56 PM
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I really think men need to stop asking this question. There's nothing to be gained from repeatedly revisiting this. If you're a man, and for whatever reason you're unable to get a woman to desire you, then pay for prostitutes. If you don't want to do that, then move on to other things like career, hobbies, and extended family. I am married now. But if my marriage ends for any reason, I will never, ever put one more minute's worth of time or effort into a long term relationship.
/r/MensRights05/12/23 06:17 PM
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This has become the modern "1 in 4 women are raped" "statistic". The "men leaving sick wives" doesn't line up at all with reality - at least not any reality I am familiar with. Mostly, it's wives leaving sick men - especially husbands who are chronically depressed.
/r/MensRights05/12/23 06:00 PM
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It is not working because for some reason (probably your fear of her response) you aren't defending the boundary you put down. Boundaries are meaningless unless you're willing to enforce and defend them. You need to put the boundary down, again, and enforce it. That is going to piss her off. Tough. She will have to live with being pissed off. One of four things will happen. (1) She will change and respect the boundary. (2) She will walk over your boundary and you live with it (which is what has …
/r/MensRights05/12/23 05:45 PM
4

•Unaddressed contrast between characters’ vapidity and the alleged high-powered jobs they have This right here is one of the biggest disconnects between fiction and fact. It cuts across almost all television. --Frasier Crane is a positively insufferable character. He's a whiny bitch, just like Niles was. No one in real life would put up with him. --No way does Leonard from Big Bang Theory get that kind of pussy in real life. Real life Leonard is a hardcore incel, as are the rest of them. --Sheld…
/r/MensRights04/12/23 05:37 PM
5

I wouldn’t put my sister at the hand of the courts I would. Women wanted their equality. Being set at the mercy of a court for wrongdoing or as a consequence of poor character is part of equality. It happens to young men all the time. Women wanted that equality - I say give it to them, good and hard.
/r/MensRights04/12/23 05:20 PM
1

Yes. If a woman is of poor character (and many, many are), it's because a father didn't do his job, or was prohibited from doing his job.
/r/MensRights04/12/23 05:18 PM
8

I like to point out the truth about most young women - they either are promiscuous or want to be. Young women develop character only when pressed to do so and are put through their paces like young men. Young women are not "born with" good character - it has to be developed and cultivated. Young women who don't develop good character tend to be lazy, slovenly, unkempt, bitchy, mouthy, and flip attitude at people.
/r/MensRights04/12/23 05:13 PM
6

The show was based on advice columns by Candace Bushnell who divorced her husband, never had children, and now regrets her life, and developed for television by a gay man who envisioned women living promiscuous sex lives like the sex lives of promiscuous gay men. (Some of the most promiscuous people on earth are gay men - gay men who are promiscuous are such because they can be and want to be. Admittedly, most heterosexual men would be promiscuous if they could be; but they cannot, so they are n…
/r/MensRights04/12/23 05:06 PM
6

Yes. Precisely.
/r/MensRights03/12/23 11:18 PM
-18

They consider the only men who carry sexual diseases are men who have sex with other men and women. They don't care if some gay men carry sexual diseases because gay men have sex only with other men and not with women.
/r/MensRights03/12/23 08:39 PM
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Yes, to all of it. And yes, "femcels" belongs in quotes, because there's no such thing as a femcel. The only thing women have problems with in dating is getting a very attractive man to commit. Everything else is available to them, including commitment from their SMP and RMP counterparts, and sex with very attractive men. The reasons women can't get commitment from very attractive men are 1) they're not attractive enough to get that commitment 2) there aren't enough of those very attractive men …
/r/MensRights03/12/23 08:15 PM
-16

This isn't entirely it. Women don't like the idea of bisexual men because they really don't like the idea of having sex with men who also have sex with other men in large part because of risk of STDs. So for women I think there's a big "ick" factor with bisexual men. And I don't think it's gay men they have a problem with. Women specifically have a problem with bisexual men. Women like gay men because of the "we can totally be friends and I know he won't want to fuck me, because he's gay, and th…
/r/MensRights03/12/23 08:06 PM
5

Exactly. Women have a hard time with rejection because they so rarely experience it. Women are used to getting what they want not only with men, but in every area of life: material acquisition, education, employment, socially. Women are not used to being told "no, you cannot have that" or "no, you cannot do that" or "no, you cannot go there" or "no, I will not do that for you". Women also aren't even told "maybe later" or "you'll have to wait". Women are accustomed to getting what they want, whe…
/r/MensRights03/12/23 07:56 PM
4

Regardless of the issue, women view everything personally. Women are pretty much unable to evaluate anything abstractly. To women, everything is assessed through how it affects her personally, or through the experiences she has had or the experiences others close to her have had. Women's ability to "control" speech is because the verbal platform is where women excel. They can move seamlessly from logic to emotions and back again. Women are absolute masters at the goalpost move, the emotional app…
/r/MensRights02/12/23 08:42 PM
12

Mostly because of liberalization of women's status vis a vis men. Women have as much social, sexual, and economic power as men do. Second, women vote as a bloc. On the issues that matter (mostly economic, sexual, and reproductive freedom), women stand shoulder to shoulder regardless of social station or political ideology. The richest white woman from NYC and the poorest black woman from East LA agree on those issues. The highest status women and the lowest status women all agree in lockstep on …
/r/MensRights02/12/23 08:40 PM
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I have been looking into that too. There's almost a complete blackout on it. I should be able to find something about it - where it was filed, who filed it, whatever. Can find absolutely nothing. DeRamus claims she was "legally forced" to not talk about her "abuse" and "assault". She claims she was "forced" to be silent. Bullshit. What more likely happened was that after DeRamus got sued and had to hire a lawyer to defend her from the defamation claims, her lawyer advised her not to talk about a…
/r/MensRights01/12/23 08:15 PM
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No. The university is saying someone is responsible or not responsible for a code of conduct violation; not a sexual assault. The university cannot determine responsibility or nonresponsibility for sexual assault. Only code of conduct violations.
/r/MensRights01/12/23 08:04 PM
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Your prior post: Colleges use the terms responsible or not responsible rather than guilty or not guilty, but it’s essentially the same thing, just different language. They are NOT the same thing. At all. That's why I keep pointing that out. You're the one who keeps saying they are the same.
/r/MensRights01/12/23 07:53 PM
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It's not the same thing because the proof is different, the burdens are different, and the penalties are not anywhere close to what a court's penalties would be.
/r/MensRights01/12/23 07:34 PM
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But they are not legal adjudications of guilt or innocence. They can't send men to prison. They can't impose legal consequences. They can't punish these men with legal sanction. All they can do is expel or PNG. I get what you're saying and yes evidence rules are relaxed and there's limited due process. The point stands - these men are not "guilty" of anything. If the man withdraws from the university or is not a student, they can't touch him - all they can do is PNG him.
/r/MensRights01/12/23 06:25 PM
5

Yeah. doesn't matter anyway - no one is ever going to get a woman to sign a pre-sex consent form.
/r/MensRights01/12/23 06:16 PM
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Higher Education institutions aren't really adjudicating sexual assault or rape cases or harassment. They're not determining guilt or innocence. They're determining whether "campus codes of conduct" were violated. The worst they can do is expel students and impose persona non grata status on people (i.e. order that people not be allowed to be on campus). All that happened was that she reported this "assault" to the university and the university disciplined the guy for violating student codes of …
/r/MensRights01/12/23 06:14 PM
2

No. But it does happen when the wife is a SAHM, if temporarily. In reality, a SAHM who gets divorced gets a disparately large amount of marital assets; but she eventually has to work full time. Just can't work any other way.
/r/MensRights01/12/23 06:08 PM
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Women: No police report, no rape. No rape kit, no rape. No lawyer and lawsuit, no rape. If the man did not plead guilty to rape or was not convicted of rape, then no rape. If you really were raped, your first order of business is to present at an emergency department for medical care. You announce "I was raped, I need medical attention". You say that over and over and over again. You never ever waver from it. If you know your attacker (and at least 70% of the time you do) you say his name, over …
/r/MensRights01/12/23 05:59 PM
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Women wanted their equality. Part of that equality is that you're answerable in damages when you commit a tort. I don't give a shit what a university does. Evidence and proof burdens are different in court. If the guy cared enough to sue, it must have been pretty bad. If the guy was able to get a lawyer and is pissed enough and has enough resources to prosecute a suit and the lawyer believed in the story enough, the guy's story must be pretty credible and Ms. DeRamus' story pretty incredible. De…
/r/MensRights01/12/23 04:59 PM
3

Right. Alimony is awarded today only where there is a great disparity in income between spouses. I had not heard about imputed income - minimum wage to a SAHM. Interesting. I do know about imputed income to breadwinners who voluntarily reduce their incomes during a divorce. This is intended to penalize breadwinners' attempts to reduce their financial obligations. Female breadwinners are increasingly having to pay at least temporary alimony to male dependent spouses. I know of a couple of cases -…
/r/MensRights01/12/23 04:41 PM
3

Yes. If you're a breadwinner married to a SAHM with kids, you can kiss that house and most of your money goodbye. She's getting the house, and alimony, child support, and 1/2 your 401K. You get your clothes, your car, and a shitty apartment.
/r/MensRights01/12/23 04:33 PM
2

Sure... when they both choose and the legal structures are there to protect both persons' choices.
/r/MensRights01/12/23 04:20 PM
3

It depends on many things. Divorces are premised on what's considered to be "fair and equitable" taking all facts and circumstances into account at the time of the dissolution. --the state where the divorce is taking place --kids, their ages --his premarital assets, her premarital assets --the amount and size of the marital estate --his income, her income --the manner of living the spouses had during the marriage --the ability of both parties to find living arrangements after divorce --the abili…
/r/MensRights01/12/23 03:43 PM
2

LOL Leykis learned this lesson only after being married and divorced 4 times. He did decide early on "no kids".
/r/MensRights01/12/23 03:31 PM
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They could be inadmissible in court. That's less the point than that they serve as a deterrent. They deter a woman from pressing forward on what are, at best, highly questionable claims. Sure, there's "he said, she said". But if there's a text history with photos, there's "he said she said, but what he says is backed up with text messages and photos and video and a written record created at the time the relationship was going on" Those kinds of things can make cops and prosecutors say "there's n…
/r/MensRights01/12/23 03:06 PM
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Have her take it to her own lawyer. Include a clause stating she had an opportunity to review it with a lawyer of her own choice. Whether she did or not is not the issue; the issue is that she had a chance to. Include a clause stating she is under no duress and is signing of her own free and voluntary will. Include a clause certifying she is not under the influence of any medications or drugs. "A drink" does not impair someone so poorly they can't function. "A drink" is not intoxicating. At most…
/r/MensRights01/12/23 02:56 PM
1

This is the way.
/r/MensRights01/12/23 02:49 PM
22

This all strikes me as spectrum-ish. You are never going to get a woman to sign a pre-sex consent form. You might get her to sign an NDA. Celebrities and superwealthy men routinely have their lovers/GFs sign NDAs. A more practical way to protect yourself is to develop a text relationship, complete with photo exchanges. Get her to send you photos. Save everything. Save the text messages. Save the photos. Document and memorialize your trysts/meetings/encounters. Do so in text. "I had a great time …
/r/MensRights01/12/23 02:45 PM
6

Why would they be inadmissible?
/r/MensRights01/12/23 02:37 PM
1

It's freaking Leonardo DiCaprio. These women don't give a shit that it's risky. It's Leo, for god's sake. They get hot sex with an absolute apex apex alpha. They get to live the good life while they're with him. Sure they get no bragging rights and they sign NDAs. But for the brief time they're with him, they get the best of what he has. It's worth it to a lot of women.
/r/MensRights01/12/23 12:52 AM
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disengaging from a baby that carries your own blood just because you didn't want to be a dad is not a good option. I'd agree with you if the law permitted the biological father a say in whether that baby is born. Because the law permits that man no say at all, I disagree.
/r/MensRights01/12/23 12:11 AM
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An 85 year old hag demands a young, hard cocked man to service her sexually, and no one bats an eye. But Leo offloads his women when they turn 25 and refuses to commit, and everyone loses their minds.
/r/MensRights30/11/23 08:45 PM
7

The alternative is that the juvie offender has to go into the system. That costs money. The "system" would much rather find a family member to take him because that's cheaper. Before 1995 welfare reform which went from AFDC to TANF and a 5 year lifetime limit on public welfare assistance, there was lots of public attention on "welfare queens" and "deadbeat dads". You never hear about the former anymore, but there is nonstop complaint about the latter. The idea was to shift as much as possible th…
/r/MensRights30/11/23 08:32 PM
11

I've seen the exact same thing in every organization I've ever worked in, that had a sizable female employee contingent. You're not alone. One of the worst things for a work setting is women, or even a woman, who can't get along with other women in the office.
/r/MensRights30/11/23 07:48 PM
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Women are routinely excused for causing workplace disruptions especially when those disruptions result from gossip, scuttlebutt, rumors, and chatter. Men doing the same thing would be run out of the organization on a rail. Women do this kind of thing all the time and get a pass for it, even though it results in decreased productivity. When men do things that decrease productivity, they're disciplined or shown the door.
/r/MensRights30/11/23 07:27 PM
23

Yes. Hermesmann is a travesty: The state's interest in keeping children off the public tit overrides its interest in protecting children from criminal sexual activity. The court came right out and said that. It's all about money.
/r/MensRights30/11/23 07:00 PM
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Yes. Hermesmann, and cases like it, are essentially statements of public policy that "public money should not be used for supporting children when a parent can be found. If a man can be found who can pay, he should be made to pay. Any male who actually consents to sex that results in pregnancy is liable in child support, even if that male could not legally consent. We must at all cost avoid burdening the State with child support.
/r/MensRights30/11/23 06:57 PM
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Yes. I'm all for men's ability to "financially abort" babies. A man cannot force a woman to carry a child, or have an abortion. It's her choice. However, a woman CAN force a man to support a child that SHE, and SHE ALONE, chose to have. Women are getting to have it both ways- all the choice, with none of the responsibility and accountability. No. Don't come at me with "well he could have chosen not to have sex with her". Yes. True. He could have. But women are the ones who get to make the choice…
/r/MensRights30/11/23 06:46 PM
5

Yes. I have known a few guys who did that. Most of them didn't last because (1) their visas ran out; or (2) they didn't want to stay. Lot of these guys didn't want to be permanent expatriates.
/r/MensRights30/11/23 06:03 PM
5

I see. No dice, then.
/r/MensRights30/11/23 04:12 PM
15

when you ask a woman out on a date, to have sex, preform a particular sexual act or anything and she says no, you have to respect her choice, you aren't entitled to anything and part of being an adult is understanding and accepting that things you may want you can't always get. I'm OK with this. But that sword cuts both ways. Women have to be OK with not being entitled to anything from men, either. When a woman gets sex from an attractive man and tacitly expects a relationship from him and then …
/r/MensRights30/11/23 03:38 PM
24

So... white women in search of BBC. Poor black men in search of easy money. Sugar mamas looking for love and cock (but mostly cock); cabana boys looking for green cards and the good life in the West. Yeah, I watched some of the video. I call BS on the notion that these women are looking for love. They aren't - they're looking for fun and good times and great sex. That's fine, but don't go crying about pain and heartache when these guys are fucking 3 other women like you and then take you for all…
/r/MensRights30/11/23 02:13 PM
3

No one is "blaming women". It's just how society is now. I don't blame women for not wanting to fuck or marry unattractive men. I blame women for not taking up the slack and doing the jobs that men no longer will do because they have no stake in society. If women have a stake in society, let them become tradespeople. Let them do the dirty jobs. But they aren't doing it - they've had 50 years to start getting into those well paying jobs and they either cannot or will not do it. Women: Put up or s…
/r/MensRights30/11/23 02:01 PM
5

right. The point being that when men have no stake in society's future, they don't do anything to perpetuate it. What such men normally do is get older and get trained to do something that makes some money, so they can be full participants in society. If they can't be full participants in society, they do just enough to get themselves by. They won't make enough to support anyone else when everyone else has made it clear they're unwanted. They don't get trained to be carpenters or diesel mechanic…
/r/MensRights30/11/23 01:59 PM
10

I wouldn't even accept the mail order bride. Or if I did accept her, no marriage - she comes here at her own risk. She leaves, she's on her own. No legal ties to her, so if she wants out, it's done and dusted in a day.
/r/MensRights30/11/23 01:35 PM
4

Yes. Exactly. My guess is she's an unattractive woman. Or at least a (relatively rare) woman who he wasn't attracted to. "But she's so NICE!!!" "If you won't date her, then you're just a shallow dickweed asswipe" "You shallow asshole" "You're not a real Christian and you're going to Hell" So when he sticks to his guns he will find himself kicked out of his friend group. The women will shun him; the men will follow suit because, well, they need a chance at that pussy, and supporting their former …
/r/MensRights30/11/23 01:33 PM
2

When you have to split rhetorical hairs, you’ve lost. Oh yes, the “normal couples” argument. You’ve really lost that one.
/r/MensRights30/11/23 04:20 AM
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in fairness, the rules DO NOT explicitly ban men from approaching women. It just says women can ask for introductions and tells women they should lift their chins and ignore any men who talk to them without being introduced. I wouldn't go to any bar with this rule, but the rule does not ban men from approaching women.
/r/MensRights29/11/23 09:03 PM
5

And yet women do. All the time.
/r/MensRights29/11/23 04:11 PM
4

Doesn't matter: Most women perceive ANY interaction from an unattractive man as "harassment". Our society has degraded to the point where women believe they're entitled to complete insulation from unattractive men. If women could press a button that would kill unattractive men, they'd smash that button until every bone in their hands broke.
/r/MensRights29/11/23 04:09 PM
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Good post. as rawne said, it has a name, but people know about these behaviors. These are widespread and are viewed as "normal". It's just "girls will be girls". It's just "well, this is just how women are, and men just have to accept it". No, we don't have to accept it. No, we don't have to put up with it. Girls, be better. Women, be better.
/r/MensRights29/11/23 03:44 PM
4

I wouldn't have called myself a male feminist. I did believe, however, that women were equal to men in every way, and that there were no real problems with women with high Ns. That changed as I got older and the research started coming out. Men and women are different, which checks out in real life as well as in the research. Very diferent. Women with higher Ns have all sorts of mental and emotional problems. High N in women correlates to mental illness, cluster B personality disorders, substanc…
/r/MensRights29/11/23 02:54 PM
10

Yes. Never, ever talk about your emotions to women. Never ever talk about your emotions at work. Never talk about how you feel at work. Do not discuss personal problems at work in any way. When you're a man, no one gives a shit about how you feel. Not even your parents. Not even your wife. You need to talk about something? Get a therapist.
/r/MensRights29/11/23 02:45 PM
6

This is the answer to the specific post. yes. Just so.
/r/MensRights29/11/23 02:44 PM
2

No, all you have to do is be average to moderately attractive, not a pain in the ass, and not crazy. Fuck, all girls have to do is fucking be nice, and a lot of women can't even manage that. The reason you weren't getting guys taking you out on dates and paying for them is explained in those 2 links above.
/r/MensRights28/11/23 11:02 PM
8

No... because they could have gotten help for their mental illnesses. They choose not to, instead they choose to act out on a path of least resistance - getting validation via sex with good looking but inexperienced and hypersexed minor boys loaded with testosterone
/r/MensRights28/11/23 09:28 PM
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Mary Kay LeTourneau was a mentally ill borderline personality sociopath. I remember when this story came out. "Oh, her father was a Republican! One of those fundie Christians! Who cheated on his wife! Oh, her husband cheated on her and abused her! It's not her fault! Waaah!" Disgusting.
/r/MensRights28/11/23 08:27 PM
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Never fails. Whenever there is a media story about an adult woman sexually abusing a minor boy, there's always, always, ALWAYS a photo of the woman in the body of the story. Reasons: --everyone wants to evaluate the woman to see if she's fuckable. --so people can say "how has the boy been injured? Where's the damage? He probably wanted it. No harm here, the boy got something he wanted anyway." It's so people can excuse the woman, the adult, who should have known better. It's been like this ever …
/r/MensRights28/11/23 07:54 PM
2

Nope. I'm right and you're wrong.
/r/MensRights28/11/23 07:49 PM
6

Men are expected to go out of their way, put themselves in harm's way, for women, regardless of whether he knows the woman or not. This is just part of society's expectations - and they're expectations I won't meet anymore. I won't help just any woman, not anymore.
/r/MensRights28/11/23 07:38 PM
3

I've been there - seen it happen.
/r/MensRights28/11/23 07:04 PM
2

Why should a man give a woman anything if he's not getting anything in return?
/r/MensRights28/11/23 06:56 PM
1

Your insults don't make me any less wrong. Enjoy your singlehood, wine, cats, and pump and dumps into your 40s.
/r/MensRights28/11/23 06:02 PM
6

Yes, it's too late. Hunker down, protect yourself, keep your head on a swivel, and don't do anything to prevent the inevitable.
/r/MensRights28/11/23 06:01 PM
1

You can insult me all you want - I'm still right and you know it
/r/MensRights28/11/23 05:47 PM
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Men aren't allowed to express negative feelings. We're especially not allowed to express them or even show we have them. We're especially not permitted to express them around women. I hope you allow him to express those emotions. You are the only moral and emotional support he has. Absolutely no one else will help him - not even his own mother. I recall times when I was in high school going through very difficult times, and my own mom told me to just "buck up!" It's horrible out here for men, it…
/r/MensRights28/11/23 04:31 PM
7

Even mothering/parenting can be outsourced. The only thing we need women for is sex.
/r/MensRights28/11/23 04:11 PM
2

1) Women lie. They say one thing and do another. Your friends are lying to you. They don't tell you everything. And they spin what actually happens into a sanitized version. And you're lying. You're not telling me the whole truth. You don't even know you're lying, because you've told your sanitized stories so many times they've become the truth to you. 2) I said nothing about people. I talked about circumstances and the world we live in. Human nature remains the same but the contexts and environ…
/r/MensRights28/11/23 04:08 PM
4

No, women are NOT more vulnerable. If a man is threatening you, all you have to do is peep "I feel unsafe" and within seconds, white knights will intervene for you. Within minutes, cops will arrive to intervene for you.
/r/MensRights28/11/23 03:58 PM
4

Most of the men here would exchange everything else they have for the privileges you enjoy, especially the availability of sex you enjoy. Men are more likely to be killed than you. More likely to be victims of violent crime. More likely to be killed in an accident or as a result of violent crime. All you have to do to avoid all of this is pay your own way. Get a hotel room and pay for it from your own funds like men do.
/r/MensRights28/11/23 03:51 PM
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wrong about what? Looks like you deleted whatever posts you made here yesterday because your post history shows nothing here from yesterday.
/r/MensRights28/11/23 03:28 PM
1

Nope. See my latest post above. Per "her" post history, she's a mentally unstable PITA
/r/MensRights28/11/23 03:19 PM
2

These two links explain the problem: https://old.reddit.com/r/Gifted/comments/17zspfz/is_anyone_else_an_under_achiever/ka7d0g5/ You're a pain in the ass https://old.reddit.com/r/Discussion/comments/16yas8g/what_is_everyones_morning_routine/k3mx51r/ You're mentally unstable (I know this describes you now, but I'd bet everything I own you've always been like this)
/r/MensRights28/11/23 03:18 PM
1

Exactly
/r/MensRights28/11/23 01:48 PM
0

Spot on
/r/MensRights28/11/23 01:48 PM
1

If you couldn’t get guys to like you enough to take you on real dates 10-20 years ago, then you were either 1) mentally ill/emotionally unstable; 2) a raging bitch; 3) promiscuous; or 4) all of the above.
/r/MensRights28/11/23 01:47 PM
6

There are far, far more attractive women than there are attractive men. I bet you’d fuck half the women you see every day.
/r/MensRights28/11/23 12:47 PM
6

Nope. Just refuse to give women anything.
/r/MensRights28/11/23 04:32 AM
4

Seethe away, boyo
/r/MensRights28/11/23 03:23 AM
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No, men would not. But we men don't lie about this.
/r/MensRights27/11/23 08:29 PM
17

Everyone: I'm going to translate this. I'm a former slut who rode the carousel until my early 30s and I fucked a lot of different guys until I found a slightly above average guy who is my rough SMP/MMP counterpart, and went ahead and married him. I fucked some really hot guys, but I turned down some hot guys too. I fucked some average guys too, but didn't really get into the sex. I believe men and women are all the same, and since I can't understand the male experience, I have to assume all guys…
/r/MensRights27/11/23 08:26 PM
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1) you're an outlier. This is just YOUR experience, not "women's". 2) we don't live in the same world now as we did then 3) I hope you never tell him he isn't the hottest guy you've ever been with. If you ever tell him that it will destroy him 4) About your husband - you didn't say you enjoyed fucking him. 5) I'd like to talk to your husband about what HE thinks of his marriage to you. 6) there were times you probably did bang the hottest guy in the room - you didn't marry the hot guys you reall…
/r/MensRights27/11/23 08:13 PM
13

Most men want to be in basket (1) but settle for basket (2). The few men in basket 1 monopolize women's attention. And if you're in basket 1, you know you are; and if you have to ask, you're in basket 2 or 3.
/r/MensRights27/11/23 07:30 PM
9

I know women weren't surveyed. I was talking there about what women say they want vs. what they demonstrate that they want. It doesn't matter much who asks them what they want. Women say the same things: "I just want a nice guy who treats me right" while leaving out the "who is also hot and who fucks like a freight train" part. Women always leave the second part unstated, but it's what they want, and if they can't get "nice" and good treatment, they'll settle for an asshole who's hot and fucks l…
/r/MensRights27/11/23 06:55 PM
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toxic masculinity is based around the 'lie that sexual activity is a measure of worth of a man'. These are also the same people who shame unattractive men with "you're just a bitter small dicked loser who can't get laid" and "you must be a virgin" and "you must be gay".
/r/MensRights27/11/23 05:26 PM
1

Money and power. So they can fuck the hottest people they can get.
/r/MensRights27/11/23 05:18 PM
3

Because men are in competition with each other for land, stuff, money, and women. Women are a collective "herd" consisting of all women everywhere. Men join tribes, and war against other tribes. Women want safety and security and will do whatever it takes to get that, including having sex with men they're not really attracted to. Men want land, money, stuff, and women, and will do whatever it takes to get that, including warring against and defeating other men by any means necessary. So, men ban…
/r/MensRights27/11/23 03:50 PM
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far too many men see women as sex objects No. Wanting sex from women is not the same as seeing women as sex objects. Incels don't see women as sex objects. This claim arises because women aren't attracted to these men. When and whether the "objectification" claim arises depends on the attractiveness of the man expressing attraction. When an unattractive man expresses sexual interest, she shrieks "you're OBJECTIFYING ME!!!". When an attractive man expresses sexual interest, no such objection is l…
/r/MensRights27/11/23 03:38 PM
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When the researcher claims men are under/overestimating what women want in a partner, what is meant by "partner"? Women put men into three "baskets": (1) the Chad/sex partner basket; (2) the "relationship material" basket; and (3) the "male" basket. If women want a sex partner they are looking for body/sexual attractiveness and that's it. If they're looking for "relationships", they're looking for provider ability and "niceness" (translation: She can lie to him, manipulate him, use and exploit h…
/r/MensRights27/11/23 03:33 PM
11

Not necessarily, but it’s more prevalent in women, and women are much much more proficient at it than men. All women can inflict verbal abuse with far more brutality than men can.
/r/MensRights20/11/23 10:56 PM
1

OK, but the time to get that help is before it gets to violence. So, now, IMO, she gets to get that help at her own expense as a divorced woman, paying child support to her husband. She is a threat and a menace to her children. It's one thing to hit a man. It's quite another to hit a child - and while she hasn't done that (yet), she's a danger to them. If she needs that help, she should do it away from her children.
/r/MensRights20/11/23 09:46 PM
12

No. these are things women do that are specific to women, and that they're permitted to "get away with" because of their gender. I'm pretty sure you wouldn't even be able to come up with any examples of toxic femininity.
/r/MensRights20/11/23 09:27 PM
2

I suppose, but wifey should have thought of that before she put hands on her husband. And maybe women should think about that before siccing the cops on their husbands.
/r/MensRights20/11/23 07:58 PM
4

But that's the problem, isn't it? She hit her own husband. How do we know she won't start abusing the kids?
/r/MensRights20/11/23 07:40 PM
1

If that's what you want to believe, you can... The truth is that women can gain access to any and all kinds of free social services - all they have to do is ask for them.
/r/MensRights20/11/23 05:37 PM
3

No, I'm suggesting he resort to the CJ system because it's really the only available remedy at this point until he figures out what to do about his marriage (he probably will stay with her). I also don't buy your bullshit about there being insufficient mental health services available for his wife. That's bullshit. There are all kinds of services available to women, free of charge, free for the asking. The minute a woman asks for anything, enormous state and governmental apparatuses swing into a…
/r/MensRights20/11/23 05:31 PM
4

If the sexes on this had been reversed and he hit her while she was holding their newborn, OP would be sitting in jail right now on high bond and under a judicial order not to return to their home. The state would be taking him to trial and would fuck him up the ass sideways. It would not be a defense that this was "not normal for him" or that he was "having a mental health crisis". That would absolutely be of no moment at all. Women wanted their equality. I say we give it to them, good and hard…
/r/MensRights20/11/23 05:25 PM
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Examples of toxic femininity: --manipulation and gaslighting for the specific purpose of inflicting emotional and mental pain --verbal abuse --weaponizing sex: Conditioning sex on male behaviors; using sex as a carrot to incentivize behavior --complaining about men asking about N-count, suggesting that men have no right to ask for or expect anything from their dealings with women; suggesting that men have no right to have any standards for women --encouraging "white knighting" - suggesting that …
/r/MensRights20/11/23 04:47 PM
2

Women manipulate, use violence, and gaslight in particular ways that men do not. Women use them for pure power for the specific purpose of inflicting emotional and mental pain.
/r/MensRights20/11/23 04:43 PM
13

Yes. toxic femininity is real.
/r/MensRights20/11/23 04:22 PM
5

Does your wife work outside the home? Would she hit her boss or a coworker? No. Would she hit her secretary? No. Would she hit her mother or father? No. Would she hit her siblings? No. But she thought it was OK to hit you. She thought it was OK to endanger you and your newborn infant. You need to think about that going forward.
/r/MensRights20/11/23 03:55 PM
6

Sir: Your wife hit you and punched you while you were holding a newborn baby. You defended yourself; and she threatened to call the cops on you. Think about that. She punched you and tried to harm you physically while you were holding your newborn infant. Then she threatened to call police on you. I hate to be the one to tell you this, but your marriage is over. There's no coming back from this. There's no way to resolve this. If my wife ever did this to me, the divorce papers would be on file t…
/r/MensRights20/11/23 03:46 PM
10

Men, you need to start calling on your spouse. Goddamn right. Good on you for learning it's wrong to hit your spouse. I finally had to call out my own wife and tell her "you need to change, now, or I will divorce you" and "if you ever put your hands on me like this again, I will divorce you". Lucky for her, and our kids, she changed. This guy - well, he involved the cops. It might be too late. He might have no choice but to divorce.
/r/MensRights20/11/23 03:35 PM
16

Why are individuals REALLY shamed for supporting this community? Because most people really don't think the vast majority of men should have rights.
/r/MensRights20/11/23 03:27 PM
4

Women have it tough in one area, and one area only: They can't get commitment from the most attractive men. 95% of them have to "settle" for "above average" and "average" men. And that's about it. That's about the only place they get a "shit hand". And, yeah, it is that simple. Life is much, much simpler than most of us make it out to be.
/r/MensRights17/11/23 09:03 PM
13

Men do have it harder in every way. Including rape and sexual assault, especially incarcerated men.
/r/MensRights17/11/23 06:23 PM
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Because women can never acknowledge that men have it harder in any way than women do.
/r/MensRights17/11/23 04:33 PM
9

I can find no significant research as to why men prefer to live in apartments and why women seem so desperate to buy a house. I've never seen any research on it either. Knowing what I know about human nature, women have a strong "nesting" instinct which propels them to put down roots. Men don't have that... they tend to buy houses after they get married because their wives want houses.
/r/MensRights17/11/23 02:43 PM
3

These are international programs run by the evangelicals, and the #1 thing we’re told is that a wife’s duty is to serve her husband in all thing, at all times, in all ways. You DO NOT have the right to ever say no to your husband, no matter what. This right here tells me about your bias. You're not going to give men a fair shake... which makes me wonder why you want to be one. You have confirmation bias out the ass. So, yeah, you really do believe husbands are all out there raping their wives. I…
/r/MensRights17/11/23 02:39 PM
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Because pussy makes men stupid. Because men will do anything for pussy, and women know it.
/r/MensRights17/11/23 02:01 PM
2

So you think that all men everywhere were r@ping their wives? You do understand that the Godfather book and movie reflected real life in the specific manner I related, do you not?
/r/MensRights17/11/23 02:00 PM
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Yes, I actually have done said "other research". I'm right. No, the claim is not "based" on a film scene. You do understand that art imitates life, right? You do understand that it's an accurate depiction of history, right? You do understand that what I described is actually how it worked among actual real people who lived actual real lives in the actual real world at that time, right? I've reviewed your post history. So you're a black FTM trans...a minority of a minority inside a minority. What…
/r/MensRights16/11/23 05:12 PM
4

Claim: Husbands r@ped their wives all the time. Marital r@pe was commonplace, and it was judicially enforced. Truth: It is true that legally, a married man and married woman were considered the same person and a wife was considered to have given "standing consent" to sex to her husband by virtue of marriage. It is NOT, however, true that all husbands everywhere were r@ping their wives. Men were given a lot more leeway so that what is considered SA or r@pe today was ok. Pressure, cajoling, sexual…
/r/MensRights16/11/23 02:50 PM
2

Claim: Women were forced to get married. Women had no choice in the matter, they were "sold" to men in exchange for dowries. Women had to marry because they could not work or support themselves and they would have been out on the street or having to live with family. Truth: Women never had to marry anyone. Most women did get married because 100 years ago their expectations were more reasonable and tamped down. Women also did get married because getting to have your own house and your own kids wi…
/r/MensRights16/11/23 02:40 PM
3

Good points.
/r/MensRights16/11/23 02:28 PM
3

Mostly it's fear of losing the GF. It's fear of losing the sex you're having. She comes to him and says "I want to get married and if we're not getting married I think I'll go out and have sex with other men we should see other people." So he proposes and they get married.
/r/MensRights16/11/23 02:13 PM
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face only: 5 Body might take her up or down. You can't get a true rating from face only. She can get sex from Chads anytime she wants. She can get anything she wants from an average man anytime she wants. Full disclosure: This is a regular commenter at this subreddit who claims she is "ugly". She is not ugly. She is average. Average is good enough. Average is way, WAY more than sufficient.
/r/AllPillDebate14/11/23 02:47 PM
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Ask MEN what they think about pregnant women. As a man: Pregnant women, other than my wife, are not desirable. They've already been "claimed". Another man already plowed her, planted his seed, and fertilized her. That's another man's "crop" growing in there. That's another man's land. I don't desire someone else's woman. I desire MY OWN woman. She's also not sexually attractive. Pregnancy doesn't make a woman sexually attractive. She's swollen, distended, and out of shape. She's also a PITA to b…
/r/AllPillDebate14/11/23 02:35 PM
1

No one cares about your bullshit moralizing. We're so past that. It's so funny that "men" like you have to resort to a sexual morality that you care about only when it serves you.
/r/AllPillDebate14/11/23 02:29 PM
1

You seem to think this Chad cares about morality or his moral shortcomings. You'd be wrong. You also seem to think people here care about this Chad's moral shortcomings. You'd be even more wrong. The time to talk about morality was about 40 years ago. People did talk about morality then, and no one cared then either. People just want to fuck who they want. Women wanted power, and to fuck whoever they wanted. They have that now. The top 10% of men have that. So no one cares about your moral bulls…
/r/AllPillDebate14/11/23 02:27 PM
1

He didn't humiliate her. Even if she did, she loves it. This guy doesn't need personality. He's Chad.
/r/AllPillDebate14/11/23 02:23 PM
1

His wife WANTS him to humiliate her. He's a Chad. For a woman, humiliation from Chad beats pedestalization from Beta any day.
/r/AllPillDebate14/11/23 02:23 PM
1

Sure. But it doesn't matter. Because he's a Chad.
/r/AllPillDebate14/11/23 02:22 PM
1

OK. So... a good looking guy can pick up chicks. And can also show them to his wife and have her comment on them without her getting pissed off on camera. He's an attractive man. He can do this. He can get away with this. Attractive Chads can get laid. Pieces of shit can get laid. He's not a creep. He's an attractive man. He's not weird. He's a normie. He's a neurotypical man with good looks. The fact that YOU think he's a piece of shit, or weird, or a creep, means exactly jack motherfucking shi…
/r/AllPillDebate14/11/23 02:21 PM
2

I'm not triggered; you're just not asking questions in good faith. "Triggered" is just your little catchphrase bullshit word for "waaah he disagrees with me!"
/r/AllPillDebate13/11/23 05:13 PM
3

i don't understand what you're asking.
/r/AllPillDebate13/11/23 04:46 PM
3

Love is exhibited not by how or what you feel for the object of your love; but rather by what you do and what you're willing to give up for the object of your love. Is that blue pill? Probably. But that's what love is. All love is conditional. There is no such thing as "unconditional" love.
/r/AllPillDebate13/11/23 04:34 PM
1

Yeah, I do. I just read your posts. Not hard to figure out. Look at the things you post - you don't know shit about shit. Deal with it.
/r/AllPillDebate13/11/23 03:56 PM
1

But I do know about you. You just told us about you. You're one of the most ignorant people to speak of love. Or human nature. Or most things. Deal with it.
/r/AllPillDebate13/11/23 03:52 PM
2

I'm married. You're single. I've broken my ass for my family. You, on the other hand, can't seem to keep it together. So, yeah... tell me again how much you know about love. (Hint: love is an action, not a feeling.)
/r/AllPillDebate13/11/23 03:43 PM
5

You could do this. But don't bring her back here. And don't marry her.
/r/AllPillDebate13/11/23 03:00 PM
3

OK. Remember this. Women don't love men. And then go live your life and find things to do and places to be that don't involve women.
/r/AllPillDebate13/11/23 02:59 PM
5

There is no such thing as unconditional love.
/r/AllPillDebate13/11/23 02:55 PM
15

Interesting, as there is no such thing as a femcel. This is really about the plight of women who can't get relationships with Chad. Or, more starkly, women who can't get sex from Chad.
/r/AllPillDebate13/11/23 02:51 PM
2

We do want them to be happy. But not at our expense. If the only way they can be "happy" is us dancing like monkeys, using us, manipulating us, and exploiting us, they can find someone else. Eh, who am I kidding? Your question was not in good faith. None of your interactions here ever are.
/r/AllPillDebate13/11/23 02:15 PM
2

That is not the same as “servitude”
/r/AllPillDebate11/11/23 05:55 PM
4

So be it. As ye have spoken, so it shall be done. Any woman who comes at me with violence, will be met with violence. Women are not going to use violence. A more likely scenario is that women will enlist simps and cucks to do “violence” on women’s behalf.
/r/AllPillDebate11/11/23 05:52 PM
3

oh man....
/r/AllPillDebate10/11/23 08:31 PM
1

It doesn't take a lot for women to get past "being a whore is bad". That's not what they have a problem with. Women don't have a moral problem with slutting around. Women have a value problem with slutting around - getting less value in return for the sex they're giving out. I really don't think women have any problem slutting around as long as they think they're getting reciprocal value in exchange for it. What most women have a problem with, I think, is the idea that they aren't getting all th…
/r/AllPillDebate10/11/23 08:28 PM
3

Goddamn right. Fuck betabuxxing. Get an escort on retainer.
/r/AllPillDebate10/11/23 08:24 PM
0

OK, look man. Be hideous to look at, but still go on with your day. Work, do your job, find things to do that do not involve women.
/r/AllPillDebate10/11/23 08:23 PM
1

It's not about not fooling her. It's about not fooling yourself.
/r/AllPillDebate10/11/23 08:11 PM
16

Yeah, that linked post is fascinating. More evidence of "pills" making it into mainstream discourse. No, life is not hell. Life is not fair, though. Unlike most, you have courage to face the truth. Don't listen to trolls here. Accept the truth so you can live life on its own terms, and not live in pretty lies.
/r/AllPillDebate10/11/23 08:09 PM
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No, she does not. She deserves nothing. Look, then go on about your day. Appreciate her appearance, like a work of art; then go on about your day. Get shit done for you. This is a woman you'll never see again, so give her the attention she warrants, which is about 5 seconds' worth. It's posts like this that make me want to leave this sub and not come back....
/r/AllPillDebate10/11/23 08:06 PM
1

and trolling
/r/AllPillDebate10/11/23 08:05 PM
3

Because you spend all day posting on this subreddit
/r/AllPillDebate10/11/23 07:58 PM
7

I was staring with my mouth wide open. I wonder what she was thinking but I thought wow my dream girl is living my dream life. Cringe Next time, look, appreciate, then go on with your day. In case you haven't figured this out, women dress like this for attention. Don't give them any beyond a once-over look. Then move on with your day. Don't give them any more than a look. Women love getting attention from men they have no intention of fucking. She would have loved to have nuke rejected you if yo…
/r/AllPillDebate10/11/23 07:55 PM
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It's the typical "sure, women can get sex anytime they want, but there's no guarantee it'll be good sex" bullshit. Women can get good sex anytime they want, as well. Even if it's not good sex, it's still sex and attention, and that's not nothing. That's worth something. Women's lives are far, far easier than men's are, by every conceivable metric, at all times, everywhere.
/r/AllPillDebate10/11/23 07:28 PM
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From what I've been able to find out, Boogie's GF is as much of a shitshow trainwreck as Boogie is. She's an "abuse" "survivor", from a a fucked up home life, suffers from "anxiety disorder", and appears to have the mentation and emotional maturity of a 12 year old girl. Who the hell would want that? Given a choice between that and being alone, most men should choose being alone.
/r/AllPillDebate10/11/23 05:37 PM
2

Because average men aren't sexually attractive. To society, Chads are the only men worthy of decent treatment.
/r/AllPillDebate10/11/23 04:48 PM
2

No, you got normal messages from average men. Just your receipt of messages from average men is "creepy" to you. Average and below average men are "creepy" to women simply by virtue of their existence.
/r/AllPillDebate10/11/23 04:47 PM
5

Debates are intended to put forth your own positions and persuade the audience of the correctness of your positions. Debate is not for compromise or common ground or consideration. Debate's intent is to persuade and convince.
/r/AllPillDebate10/11/23 04:45 PM
4

Both. I agree with you, by the way.
/r/AllPillDebate10/11/23 04:41 PM
12

No. women's sexual and youthful primes are their late teens through about age 26.
/r/AllPillDebate10/11/23 04:32 PM
8

Never occurs to you that men want, need, and desire things too, does it?
/r/AllPillDebate10/11/23 04:31 PM
2

Most women aren't attracted to men under 6 feet.
/r/AllPillDebate10/11/23 03:40 PM
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Yes. exactly. Women divide men into two groups: attractive men, and "males". When women talk about "men" or "what men do" or "men are like X", they're talking about attractive men, the men they want to fuck, the men they want to impregnate them. When women talk about how they can't get commitment, they mean they can't get commitment from attractive men. When women talk about "where are all the good men", they really mean "why can't I get one of these attractive men to stick around and stay with …
/r/AllPillDebate10/11/23 03:30 PM
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Translation: I can't get a Chad to commit to me. I won't accept an average man because they're beneath me. It's Chad or bust for me. Chad isn't jacking it to a screen, honey. Chad has at least three other girls in the rotation. When he's not cumming on your back, he's with one of them or talking to another couple of girls he's thinking of adding to the rotation. To women: "just a regular guy to date" = Chad. Chads are the only men women can see or identify.
/r/AllPillDebate10/11/23 03:20 PM
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Women do not "have it hard" anywhere close to how men "have it hard". These are the only places women are disadvantaged: --women can't get commitment from Chad. --lowest of the low bottom tier women, the extremely rare 1s and 2s of the world, can't get anything. Good thing their numbers are so vanishingly small they're statistically insignificant and not worth talking about. These very, very few unfortunate women truly do have my sympathy. They have it very, very tough. But not tougher than most…
/r/AllPillDebate10/11/23 03:00 PM
8

Yeah. attraction doesn't grow. It's either there or it isn't.
/r/AllPillDebate09/11/23 08:13 PM
4

You're not average. You're an outlier. Most women experience and express and act upon immediate attraction for the men they're attracted to, especially now when women have and wield 90% of all the sexual power and authority. There's no downside for women to doing so; so they do it. Generalizations aren't about arrogance; they're about what's generally true.
/r/AllPillDebate09/11/23 07:29 PM
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You're an extreme outlier, if that's true about you (and I do not believe that it is true about you) Yes I will generalize because what I say is generally true. Exceptions like you prove the rule.
/r/AllPillDebate09/11/23 07:24 PM
7

Bullshit. Women know if they're sexually attracted to a guy within a minute of meeting him in person. Women know in that minute how far they'll ever let that man get with them. Every good sexual relationship I've ever had started off that way - immediately sexual where it was known that sexual attraction was immediate, strong, and sustained.
/r/AllPillDebate09/11/23 06:34 PM
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He'll block her first when she expresses disinterest. If she's not interested in the guy why is she agreeing to meet with him in the first place? Stop having anything to do with men you're not sexually attracted to.
/r/AllPillDebate09/11/23 06:03 PM
3

Can't disagree.... Most of the women I knew with whom I had the best times were not "dates" per se... just hanging out
/r/AllPillDebate09/11/23 06:02 PM
2

Women choose men they're not sexually attracted to all the time.. as beta buxes. I suppose you could say they want those men... as money suppliers.
/r/AllPillDebate09/11/23 04:14 PM
3

Feminism and bringing women on equal par with men was the catalyst that started the ball rolling. Social media and online dating are the two things that came up more or less together and blew the doors off choice for women. The solution is not banning porn, OLD, or social media. Divorce reform and adultery laws would help. Mostly what needs to be done is men simply walking away and leaving women to their own devices, and letting the current corrupt system crash, because it will crash
/r/AllPillDebate09/11/23 04:10 PM
6

There's no such thing as a femcel.
/r/AllPillDebate09/11/23 03:06 PM
7

While some studies suggest that people may evaluate individuals based on their sexual activity, there is little consistent evidence to support a strong traditional double standard where women are judged more negatively than men for having multiple sexual partners. Most men don't care about whether women have a lot of sexual partners. Here's what men care about: --women's lying about it --women's differentiating sexual treatment of men based in part on women's own past behavior and sexual pasts, …
/r/AllPillDebate09/11/23 02:58 PM
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Hey, naysayer women: This post is about HER, not him. It's about how women leave good men for these guys and then expect Tyrone to be faithful and give her a "relationship". He's right there telling her she was a hookup and she's continuing to bargain and negotiate and plead with him. He's straight up telling her all he wanted to do was masturbate into her vagina and she's going "but but but this just isn't working out..." This is about her shitty behavior, not his. He's just doing what Tyrones …
/r/AllPillDebate09/11/23 02:50 PM
7

"My phone died" "I'm so busy" "My mom's in the hospital"
/r/AllPillDebate09/11/23 02:33 PM
11

If I'm that guy, I'm walking away right then and there. Women need to be tested on this, and tested hard. It's much, much easier for women to cheat than it is for men to cheat. Women have motive and shitloads of opportunity.
/r/AllPillDebate09/11/23 02:33 PM
15

Signs she's lying: --extremely defensive --raising her voice --playing with her hair, smoothing it back Liars. Cheaters.
/r/AllPillDebate09/11/23 02:14 PM
5

I wouldn't make her split the bill on the first couple of dates. Just don't spend a lot of money. Always assume the girl is a slut until proven otherwise. Always assume she's lying to you, because she probably is. Always presume that the girl has in fact "done this before". Always presume the girl has gotten sexual at first meeting with an attractive guy, at least once. If she did that for him, she needs to do that for you too. If she won't, she's not attracted to you. That's fine, but that mean…
/r/AllPillDebate09/11/23 02:04 PM
12

Sure. But remember that "terminally single" is not the same as "unable to get male attention" or "unable to get sex" or even "unable to get commitment from nonChads". For women, "terminally single" means "unable to get commitment from Chad". That's all it means. The vast, vast majority of women, well over 80%, can get sex any time they want. All they need is one hour and a phone. They can get attention from men. Same thing: a phone and an hour. They can even get average boyfriends with extremely…
/r/AllPillDebate09/11/23 01:45 PM
3

Grandpa (Andrew Klavan) is full of shit too. Unless he was tongue in cheeking it. You’d be amazed at how many conservative Christian virgin women are divorced cock carousel graduates. 90% of the women at your church ride the cock carousel.
/r/AllPillDebate09/11/23 12:42 PM
4

You will never know the whole truth. Take what she says and triple it and now you have a decent idea of her past. To get any woman talking about her past, ply her with booze and make her feel comfortable. Tell her "no judgment" and "hey, I think women should just be who they are". She'll spill it.
/r/AllPillDebate08/11/23 08:25 PM
1

I dont' have a problem with women being here. I have a problem with trolls being here, whether they're male or female. I have a problem with people who don't comment on pills; but who show up just to stir shit and troll. --wagoncirclemike --termaggravating --ropeordope --Mylastbestchance --sometimesthisisweird all of them are trolls and all of them should be permabanned. They don't come here to debate in good faith. They troll, they stir shit up, they deliberately offend and insult, they're stri…
/r/AllPillDebate08/11/23 08:12 PM
1

youre a troll
/r/AllPillDebate08/11/23 07:58 PM
3

Dirty little secret: Just about every woman you've ever known had a hoe phase, whether she's willing to admit it or not
/r/AllPillDebate08/11/23 07:57 PM
2

a veritable tour de force
/r/AllPillDebate08/11/23 07:55 PM
1

troll
/r/AllPillDebate08/11/23 06:42 PM
1

Virtue signaling troll
/r/AllPillDebate08/11/23 06:17 PM
3

No one said that and you know it
/r/AllPillDebate08/11/23 04:05 PM
2

Virtue signal. Fake. Artificial. You're not real. Troll
/r/AllPillDebate08/11/23 03:24 PM
9

She's a troll
/r/AllPillDebate08/11/23 02:58 PM
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Trolling
/r/AllPillDebate08/11/23 02:57 PM
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More virtue signaling language.
/r/AllPillDebate08/11/23 02:57 PM
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No, women unite on social media where everyone's looking. When no one else can hear you, the long knives come out. Y'all shittalk and backstab each other like nothing men ever do. You women have a capacity for mental and emotional violence that men can't even come close to. Women are mental, emotional, and verbal terrorists.
/r/AllPillDebate08/11/23 02:51 PM
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Bullshit. Women don't look out for each other. You are all bitches and cunts to each other.
/r/AllPillDebate08/11/23 02:50 PM
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LOL. Women looking out for each other is confined to some icons on social media and "HOT!" statements on an IG profile. I've heard how you women shittalk and backbite each other in real life. I've listened to women talk about their friends - talk about what sluts and whores they are, who fucked whom, who's a cunt to whom, who's fat, who thinks they're God's gift and who's not, and all other sorts of shittalk and backstabbing. And that's how y'all talk about your FRIENDS. You women are HORRIBLE f…
/r/AllPillDebate08/11/23 02:48 PM
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Most women have no idea what it's like even to be a man. They have no concept at all of the average man's life. The closest we've seen to what happens to women when they become "average men" is Norah Vincent and her experience which became "Self-Made Man". Vincent, a lesbian who suffered from depression her entire life, committed suicide. She had to cut short her experience living as a man because it literally made her suicidal and drove her into deep, deep depression. Most women wouldn't last a…
/r/AllPillDebate08/11/23 02:42 PM
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A high IQ man has difficulty being "in the moment" and relating and not overthinking. But none of it matters if you're good looking. What I always think is interesting about this is that everyone expects high IQ men to do all the changing, adapting, and compromising. No. If you want a relationship with a high IQ man, you have to do some compromising and adapting of your own. But none of this matters if he's good looking. The good looking high IQ man can still get laid. I find it interesting that…
/r/AllPillDebate08/11/23 02:32 PM
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Halo effect. Good looking people are considered to be better all around people: More capable, more confident, more professional, more moral, less inclined to do harm or commit crimes. Good looking people have it easier and better in every area of life.
/r/AllPillDebate08/11/23 02:24 PM
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No, because most of modern liberal society does not look like Ryan Gosling.
/r/AllPillDebate08/11/23 02:21 PM
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No. A MAN with an IQ of 130 is basically "too intelligent" for his own good when it comes to dating, mating, sex, and relationships. He has a hard time being "in the moment" and not overthinking. Also don't forget that it's not on the high IQ man to do all the relating and adapting. Other people need to adapt to him. That's why they call it "relationship" - both people have to do things, give things, and adapt and compromise. Not much of it matters though if he's good looking, though. If he's go…
/r/AllPillDebate08/11/23 02:13 PM
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Irony.....
/r/AllPillDebate07/11/23 10:52 PM
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OK. Leave the "gun to the head" aside. No one was doing anything to force women to get married. If women didn't want to marry, they didn't have to. Some chose not to. They worked and lived with parents or siblings because they didn't want to marry. No one was making daughters get married if they didn't want to get married. It is true that women could decide not to marry if they didn't want to. Most of them married, yes - because they themselves decided that marriage to an average guy who took ca…
/r/AllPillDebate07/11/23 10:49 PM
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Yep. She either gets seriously physical by date 2 or you're done. You get to have what Chad got to have or you cut her loose. She was fleecing you for free food and drinks. Next time don't give an excuse, just say "not interested because you're clearly not interested in me". If a woman is showing clear signs of disinterest in getting physical, but wants to keep going out, she's fleecing you for something: Free food, or attention.
/r/AllPillDebate07/11/23 10:37 PM
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My most generous read on this is that he took her on several dates and never made a move. You ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS make your sexual interest clear on a date. ALWAYS. You make her accept you or reject you ON THE FIRST DATE.
/r/AllPillDebate07/11/23 10:28 PM
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Read the comments too. Backstory: Here's OP on his interactions with her. We had been on a few dates, she travels for work so texts were very far and few between. We had both gotten out of relationships about a year ago and just talking to her and learning about her, she’s a very independent person that is hard focused on making sure she’s successful (I’m not saying thats a bad thing) The rejection, translated: I am not interested in you. I will never, ever fuck you, not in a billion years. I wo…
/r/AllPillDebate07/11/23 10:16 PM
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Yeah. Once. ONE TIME. Out of how many times "Graham" tried to hook up. ONE TIME. ONE.
/r/AllPillDebate07/11/23 09:55 PM
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No, they're inceltear tropes left over from their superiority complexes and student council meetings in high school.
/r/AllPillDebate07/11/23 09:34 PM
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Prove it. I believe you saw a particular average or below average man go home with a girl. Leave a public place with a girl. Maybe once. Maybe twice. But you don't know if he got laid. You don't know what happened after they left.
/r/AllPillDebate07/11/23 09:11 PM
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Be happy to. Women who chose not to marry lived with parents or siblings, and worked jobs. Women who couldn't marry lived with parents or siblings, and worked jobs. Women who lived with siblings worked jobs. Women could always refuse to marry if they really didn't want to marry. No one put guns to women's heads and forced them to marry. If said siblings and relatives died, they lived with other relatives, or each other, or insane asylums, or nursing homes, or as government wards. But no matter w…
/r/AllPillDebate07/11/23 09:06 PM
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They will, if not for pussy, then for money. You have to give men an incentive. You get what you incentivize. Do women do anything just for the sake of it? No. They do what they do for money, for lifestyle, for status, and for attention.
/r/AllPillDebate07/11/23 08:56 PM
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I don't believe you. I don't believe average to below average guys are getting casual sex on the regular. I call bullshit. Post pictures of the men so we can evaluate how "average and below average" they are. Did they get casual sex once or twice, lifetime? That I believe. On the regular? No. And, no, they're not your experiences; they're the experiences of these alleged average to below average men you claim to be talking about.
/r/AllPillDebate07/11/23 08:42 PM
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1) You don't get to decide who is average or below average. Women decide that. 2) If they were average or below average, they got casual sex maybe once or twice in their entire lives, which is not "getting casual sex". That's "getting lucky". 3) >"But getting randomly laid as an average guy is all about being in the right place at the right time." So is winning the lottery. So is being struck by lightning. They happen so incredibly infrequently and rarely they're barely worth even talking about.…
/r/AllPillDebate07/11/23 08:32 PM
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No. Not coerced. Get married, or work a job and live with parents or siblings. There's no coercion. There's a choice. Most women chose marriage because it was objectively better than working. No one forced marriage on them. Women chose not to marry, and they lived with the consequences. "Get married, or die" That's coercion. No one ever did that in the West.
/r/AllPillDebate07/11/23 08:26 PM
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The way you incentivize men to get jobs is with money and pussy, not necessarily in that order. No pussy, no reason to make more money.
/r/AllPillDebate07/11/23 08:04 PM
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None of those things make men attractive. Men aren't here to benefit the economy and society, unless the economy and society reciprocally benefit men.
/r/AllPillDebate07/11/23 08:03 PM
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yes, going to a restaurant, with the end goal being sex. Both men and women know this. No one's blowing smoke up women's asses about this. Women know men want sex. Women know that men spend time with them to get sex. Women know they're being expected to give up the booty at some point. Men are the ones who are being lied to and gaslighted about all this.
/r/AllPillDebate07/11/23 07:32 PM
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Dating = sex When people talk about dating, they're talking about sex - wanting it, preparing for it, having it. The object for men is to get to sex as soon as possible for as little time, effort, and expense as possible. The object for women is to exchange sex for as much "value" as they can possibly extract from the man they're having sex with. For attractive men, "value"= attention and commitment. For all other men, "value"= resources, money, and commitment.
/r/AllPillDebate07/11/23 07:15 PM
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If you don't live in the US, this would explain your answer.
/r/AllPillDebate07/11/23 06:20 PM
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No. The standards are too high and unachievable for most men. Women can get pretty much anything they want except marriage or commitment from "high value" (read: sexually attractive) men.
/r/AllPillDebate07/11/23 05:30 PM
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Yes. The "conscription for women" move is just for political show. It's not actually going to go anywhere.
/r/AllPillDebate07/11/23 05:25 PM
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There are all kinds of support services and help for women who have any of these conditions. There are no such things for men.
/r/AllPillDebate07/11/23 05:23 PM
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Unfortunately, at the point of conception, there is no way to know your child will grow up to have depression. Sure there is. Did either parent have depression? Is there a family history of depression on either side? If the answer to any of these questions is "yes", there's a high likelihood the child will have depression. If the answers are "no", there's a high likelihood the child will not be depressed.
/r/AllPillDebate07/11/23 05:22 PM
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Moms aren't selfish or the root of the incel problem because they have sex with men or have children. They're the problem because they lack the requisite character to do the jobs of actual mothers. That's actually making functional humans out of the children they bear and raise. That's actually teaching and educating their children about the real world. That's actually turning their sons over to their fathers so that fathers can teach them about how sexual attraction work. That's not turning the…
/r/AllPillDebate07/11/23 05:18 PM
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Moms can't guarantee anything. What moms need to do is stop fucking around, stop fucking Chads, get some goddamn character and virtue, and start living right. What moms need to do is pick one guy and latch onto him for life, and stop squandering all their sexual value on Chads.
/r/AllPillDebate07/11/23 05:17 PM
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I am that younger prettier girl Prove it.
/r/AllPillDebate07/11/23 04:58 PM
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Bullshit. No one was forcing women to marry anyone in 1950. Or 1850 or 1650 for that matter. Women got married because it was better than working menial jobs and living with a sibling. That's it. No one was putting guns to women's heads and forcing women to get married in the West. Maybe they do that in other nonChristian cultures that can't be mentioned here on reddit, but they have NEVER done that in the Christian cultural dominated West. Never. Did they pressure women to marry? Sure, because …
/r/AllPillDebate07/11/23 04:54 PM
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Looks mattered; but they didn't matter as much. Character mattered. Virtue mattered. Now? Character and virtue don't matter at all. Looks is king now.
/r/AllPillDebate07/11/23 04:51 PM
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I'll post the entire linked post here, then translate it. I'm a female in my early 30s and have only recently began dating. I was single and celibate for about 6-7 years. Now that I feel comfortable to date again, jeez. This stuff is HARD. You don't meet people organically anymore. So I gave in and downloaded a few dating apps. Wow, that's a whole different world. At first it was fun and exciting, but now I feel it's just tedious. It's so hard because it feels like I'm just trying to make myself…
/r/AllPillDebate07/11/23 04:48 PM
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Well, paragraph 1 can make your life worse in terms of wasted time and money. No, this works only for very sexually attractive men. If you're not very sexually attractive you have to put in enormous amounts of effort or you have to lead with "beta provider".
/r/AllPillDebate06/11/23 09:36 PM
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Horseshit. Most men tried to deal with real live women and got blown out of the water and nuke rejected hundreds of times. Listen honey, you think you're done? A pretty sizable contingent of men have been done for years. Men resort to porn and virtual because either (1) their wives/GFs won't fuck them; or (2) they can't get wives or GFs.
/r/AllPillDebate06/11/23 09:34 PM
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Blackpill is sexual dynamics reality: That looks and sexual attractiveness are paramount; that we need to be clear and honest about that fact; that most of your life was genetically predetermined; and that there is very little you can do to control the outcomes.
/r/AllPillDebate06/11/23 09:30 PM
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To the extent this advice works, it will work only for very sexually attractive men (7 and up). The best advice I can give --improve your physical appearance as much as you can --if after improving your physical appearance you're still not generating interest, take a long break from women and find other things to do in life that will be fulfilling and enriching.
/r/AllPillDebate06/11/23 09:11 PM
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The problem with this and what's wrong with this is that she doesn't desire him. If she doesn't desire you, there's no reason for you to be with her. A relationship based on provisioning is a neverending treadmill for a man where he has to do everything and she doesn't have to do anything. He owes her everything; she owes him nothing.
/r/AllPillDebate06/11/23 08:59 PM
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other things that trigger women: --women are not attracted by personality or confidence --AWALT --sex is important to men in truth, these things, or any other things, trigger women only when unattractive men are involved. If unattractive men are involved, they harrumph and complain and yell and accuse and fingerpoint. If attractive men are involved, they giggle and blush and smile.
/r/AllPillDebate06/11/23 07:44 PM
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if you find yourself wondering if she likes you, she doesn't like you. If you find yourself wondering if she's attracted to you, she's not attracted to you. Women who are attracted to you make it very easy and very obvious.
/r/AllPillDebate06/11/23 07:41 PM
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Nah. First date is drinks, no more than an hour unless it's going really well. Or it's a walking date - museum or walking in some scenic location. Follow the rule of 1 - 1 drink for her, 1 for you, not more than 1 hour. Nothing that involves a screen, food, or an admission fee (unless it's a museum, for a walking date). No restaurants. No theatres. No concerts. She hasn't earned those. Too expensive for a first date. There isn't enough interaction.
/r/AllPillDebate06/11/23 07:18 PM
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Okay. It's still lying. Look. I have no problem with women not wanting men they're not attracted to. I just want women to be honest and clear about it.
/r/AllPillDebate06/11/23 06:08 PM
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It is lying. You can dress it up however you want - it's still lying. You're not telling them straight out that you're not attracted to them. It's gaslighting. It's not good advice for men. You really should not advise men on anything.
/r/AllPillDebate06/11/23 04:53 PM
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So, you lie. You don't tell them straight out that they're not sexually attractive to you. You don't tell them you're not physically attracted to them. I will tell men that they don’t have universal appeal so they should focus on niche or subset of women. Terrible advice. And more lying. More euphemisms, more indirect mealymouthed halfassed speech. I mean, you're not obligated to tell these men the truth. But when it's said and done, you are lying to them. You can do that if you want. But it's s…
/r/AllPillDebate06/11/23 03:48 PM
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Whenever you hear women talk about liking personality or confidence, you must add to it "in a man who I think is hot". Women won't ever say this because they don't want to look shallow or superficial. They're virtue signaling. They also don't want to talk about this because they need to keep unattractive average beta bux men around for utility and exploitation, for after they get tired of or kicked off the cock carousel.
/r/AllPillDebate06/11/23 03:45 PM
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It's a question because women lie about this and gaslight men about this, and so does all of society. I have no problem with how women's attraction works. Just stop lying about it and stop gaslighting men with it. Say it outright - you have to meet the looks threshold. Say it. Tell men that. Say it outright. Be clear and honest about it. The reason women don't say it is because they don't want to look shallow and superficial and so they can keep beta bux men around for utility and exploitation.
/r/AllPillDebate06/11/23 03:43 PM
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I'm good with this. I just want women to be honest about it and say it outright and stop lying about this and gaslighting men about this.
/r/AllPillDebate06/11/23 03:40 PM
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When you've rejected a man, have you ever outright told him "I don't want to date you because you're not sexually attractive enough for me"? Have you ever sat down and told men who asked you for advice "you're just not good looking enough and you just never will be for most women"? If not, you're lying.
/r/AllPillDebate06/11/23 03:29 PM
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No one likes a misogynistic whiner. Unless he's sexually attractive. If he's sexually attractive, he can treat women like utter shit and still be hugely successful. He can do and say anything he wants and still succeed sexually.
/r/AllPillDebate06/11/23 03:00 PM
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Because women lie about this and don't outright state that sexual attraction is a prerequisite. To women, the unstated is presumed to be known by everyone even though women and sycophantic simps lie and gaslight men about this.
/r/AllPillDebate06/11/23 02:56 PM
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No, because women lie about this. Women know this but lie through their teeth about it. So do your male sycophant simp allies.
/r/AllPillDebate06/11/23 02:55 PM
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I think they do realize it; but they don't want to say this. First, they need a shitton of beta bux men available for use and exploitation when they finally figure out that ChadBradThadTyrone aren't committing. Second, they're virtue signaling and don't want to look shallow. They think saying "personality" and "confidence" and "nice" are attractive makes them "better people" than men. They think it makes them morally better.
/r/AllPillDebate06/11/23 02:39 PM
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It's fine that women don't want to date men they're not attracted to. All we're telling you is not to lie and gaslight about it.
/r/AllPillDebate06/11/23 02:35 PM
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You can enjoy life today while working. Get hobbies. I've enjoyed life a lot while working my ass off for the last 30 years.
/r/AllPillDebate03/11/23 06:47 PM
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Suggestions: Get great at your job, make lots of money, put back a lot of it, and retire early. Get great hobbies you can enjoy. Travel. Buy good booze. Get a high end escort on retainer. Sip expensive whiskey poolside and watch it all burn.
/r/AllPillDebate03/11/23 06:42 PM
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people still get laid No. Women get laid. Most men get a little bit of sex sometimes; when they work their asses off for it and/or pay for it. people still get married Women get everything from marriage; men get nothing. Marriage is burden and obligation for men. Just because a man is married does not mean he's getting what he wants or needs from it. people still go on about their lives Mostly alone. Women get more and are given more; men work for what little scraps they get. contrary to some sa…
/r/AllPillDebate03/11/23 05:55 PM
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Not really.
/r/AllPillDebate03/11/23 04:31 PM
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I work a full time job. What's your excuse? Can't get enough of posting on sportsball? I thought we didn't deal in "insight" and "nuance". I thought statistics were all you cared about. Give up.
/r/AllPillDebate03/11/23 03:56 PM
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Just give up.
/r/AllPillDebate03/11/23 03:55 PM
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He won't be when she's refusing him sex and divorce raping him. He won't be when he's living in his car while she bangs new men in the house and bed he bought for her.
/r/AllPillDebate03/11/23 03:44 PM
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70% of divorces are filed by women. This increases to 90% if considering college educated women. https://www.reddit.com/r/AskSocialScience/comments/11yoavf/70_of_divorces_are_filed_by_women_this_increases/ Look, just concede this one. Just give up. Just take the L on this one. EDIT: What, no snappy reply? No witty comeback? No sick burn? You sure clammed up. GIVE UP. YOU LOST.
/r/AllPillDebate03/11/23 03:36 PM
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Good to know you've given up and conceded the first figure. The 80% figure comes from estimates on who files the divorces. Most estimates are that 80% of divorces are filed by women. I'll see if I can spoonfeed you some things on that one. I'll make sure to demand a statistic or source for every fact you assert from here on out. And you know their lives? I know more than you do. I pay attention. And The divorce rate is 40-50% for first marriages. For second and later marriages it's 60-67%. "So, …
/r/AllPillDebate03/11/23 03:26 PM
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No one's wallowing - we're observing facts and reality. No one's blaming women for anything - we're describing facts. No one's miserable - we're reporting facts. You lack courage to face the truth. You need to work on that.
/r/AllPillDebate03/11/23 03:24 PM
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Give up?
/r/AllPillDebate03/11/23 03:23 PM
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Your perspective IS reality; is the ONLY reality. u/wagoncirclemike lives in a dream fantasy world.
/r/AllPillDebate03/11/23 03:12 PM
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whut? Why wouldn't she have the power to refuse? They're in Far East Asia, right? Japan or S. Korea, most likely. Both very westernized nations. Even if that's not the case, women worldwide are becoming feminists at alarming rates. Almost no one practices arranged marriage anymore. Women have all the power now. If she married this guy, it's because she chose to, for one reason or another. It's all on her.
/r/AllPillDebate03/11/23 02:51 PM
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No. That's not it. Women can't fake this kind of reaction. When an attractive man kisses them, they lean into it and enjoy it and ham it up. When unattractive men kiss them, they recoil and make the "eww" face, like the woman up there did. She's clearly disgusted by him, because he is physically unattractive. Can't we just accept that as fact?
/r/AllPillDebate03/11/23 02:48 PM
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Men: incredibly strong sex drive that overcomes reason and judgment Women: Incredibly strong nesting/reproduction drives, and drive to obtain resources, that overcome reason and judgment For men, the drive to fuck is so strong they 'll do whatever it takes to get sex - including marriage to women who are using them and exploiting them for resources. In fact, marriage and commitment are the ONLY ways most men can get sex. For women, the drive to get resources and reproduce is so strong they'll do…
/r/AllPillDebate03/11/23 02:43 PM
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No. Men and women cheat at roughly equal rates, and it's very underreported. Reported stats are now 20% for men and women. I think it's more like 30% for men and 40% for women
/r/AllPillDebate03/11/23 02:36 PM
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No, you look around and see men and women together. You don't know if they're happy. You don't know anything about them other than on that day in that place you saw a man and a woman together. You don't know anything about their relationships or even if they have relationships. You just know you saw them "together", as in occupying space in proximity to one another. The divorce rate is 40-50% for first marriages. For second and later marriages it's 60-67%. "So, what about the famous statistic th…
/r/AllPillDebate03/11/23 02:27 PM
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Most people in the UK do this, maybe.
/r/AllPillDebate03/11/23 02:19 PM
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Yeah. Many women don't know that Chad is just using them. I don't believe this. Women are trained from birth that men are cunthound liars who will say anything to get them into bed. Women are not lied to about this, not one bit. Women might be ignoring that Chad is using them, but that's not the same as not knowing. Women absolutely LOVE Chad using and abusing them. Women love doing depraved, nasty shit for Chad. They literally lick it up. Chad will treat them like shit, and they absolutely love…
/r/AllPillDebate03/11/23 02:09 PM
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No. Some people live together and pay bills before marrying. You don't know anything about this, Miss "It's All About LLLLLUUURRVE"
/r/AllPillDebate03/11/23 02:03 PM
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Now it isn't looking appealing to women either. Isn't that a good thing? Yes. So stop pressuring beta buxes into marriage. It's not their fault that you couldn't get an attractive man to marry you. It's your fault. And it's not their problem.
/r/AllPillDebate03/11/23 02:02 PM
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No. Average men fuck and find sex, for a while, with an average woman who hates him. Average women fuck and find a man she can use, exploit, and strip mine for resources.
/r/AllPillDebate03/11/23 02:01 PM
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Yes, you are Chaddicted. No, you don't find lots of men attractive. You find a small group of men sexually attractive. You find a much larger group of men useful when you can't get commitment from sexually attractive men.
/r/AllPillDebate03/11/23 02:00 PM
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Then.... FUCKING DON'T DATE CHAD. See how easy that is?
/r/AllPillDebate03/11/23 01:58 PM
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No. A few men cheat. Most men don't cheat because they can't cheat. AWDTSG is because women all date the same men.
/r/AllPillDebate03/11/23 01:57 PM
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He doesn't feel guilty. He looks happy. He thinks that because she married him, she was sexually attracted to him. She probably faked it for a while just to get the ring and "her day". This is on her. If she wasn't sexually attracted to him (and she CLEARLY is not), she should have declined his proposal. This is 2023. Women can refuse men if they want. She should have done so.
/r/AllPillDebate03/11/23 01:56 PM
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Men: If you are ever with a woman and she looks like that when she's with you, you leave her IMMEDIATELY. Men need to know what this looks like so they don't waste time or effort.
/r/AllPillDebate03/11/23 01:52 PM
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No. You don't know anything about those "normal" women and "normal" men, or their relationships. You don't know anything about them.
/r/AllPillDebate03/11/23 01:49 PM
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All you need to do is look around. And read the countless stories all over the internet of women talking about their disattraction for and repulsion for their husbands. I mean, isn't that what you blue pillers always tell us? "Just look around! Just look at people! Just see what they're doing! Can't you just figure it out?!" But if you need stats: --50% divorce rate --80% of divorces initiated by wives --most women not attracted to most men, most men invisible to most women (so commonly known as…
/r/AllPillDebate03/11/23 01:42 PM
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OK. Then women need to accept the average men who would commit to them.
/r/AllPillDebate03/11/23 01:35 PM
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Then be happy with borrowing Lambos and Ferraris until you can't anymore. You act like borrowing luxury items is a bad thing. It's not - at least you get to, for a while. Accept what you can get and be happy with it. At least no one lies to you about it.
/r/AllPillDebate03/11/23 01:32 PM
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The solution is women need to pick one of the average guys at 21. She might as well pick him now, because she'll end up with him in 10-15 years anyway.
/r/AllPillDebate03/11/23 01:31 PM
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If you're an average looking woman, you can still easily, EASILY, get an average man to commit to you. All you have to do is pick one from among the multiple men who have expressed clear interest in you.
/r/AllPillDebate03/11/23 01:30 PM
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women literally throw the pussy at [Chad]. Then, oh, I don't know. Maybe STOP DOING THAT. Pick an average guy.
/r/AllPillDebate03/11/23 01:14 PM
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They don't say it per se. But they demonstrate that's their attitude toward the men they married. Most women in 2023 America are married to men they're not sexually attracted to.
/r/AllPillDebate03/11/23 01:10 PM
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Couple of things: 1) "You never "settled", that's like me saying I "settled" for a Toyota Prius over a Lamborghini or Ferrari, when in reality I just couldn't afford it." Meh. You couldn't buy a Lambo or Ferrari. But you sure got to test drive a whole bunch of them. You even got to rent some for a few weeks; and got even a short term lease on one once. You didn't even have to pay for those tests or rents or leases. You got them free. In fact the dealers came up to you, you PERSONALLY, and said "…
/r/AllPillDebate03/11/23 01:03 PM
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So there will never be enough evidence to convince you. No kind of evidence would convince you. Nothing can be generally known. No trends or patterns can ever be seen. The social sciences, and especially psychology, are completely useless. Nothing can ever be predicted, nothing can ever be known. Is that really what you’re telling us? Is that really the hill you want to die on? Is that really the position you are going to take? If so, I have never seen such a terrible case of bias- no evidence c…
/r/AllPillDebate03/11/23 11:47 AM
7

interesting breakdown
/r/AllPillDebate02/11/23 06:17 PM
7

How would men interact with women if they got an adequate supply of sex? --better adjusted --less angry --women would not be pedestalized or supplicated to --men would see more women as the flawed humans they are --men would care about and respect women more --men would be more accepting of women's foibles and idiosyncracies because they have more experience with them and know how to handle them when they arise it's really less "men need more sex" and more "men need honesty and clarity and truth…
/r/AllPillDebate02/11/23 05:40 PM
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It's amazing how this shuts women up - they have no response to this.
/r/AllPillDebate02/11/23 05:02 PM
7

But give up on sex, right?
/r/AllPillDebate02/11/23 04:50 PM
12

LOL. Jeremy Meeks as motivational speaker. Shit, if I looked like that, I'd never say a goddamn thing. I wouldn't have to. Just keep your mouth shut and let the pussy flow.
/r/AllPillDebate02/11/23 04:49 PM
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LOL. Meeks is a stupid criminal. But he's done great for himself. The very definition of "skating by on looks".
/r/AllPillDebate02/11/23 04:47 PM
14

I don't know what that means. My take on it is that if you're Fish, you should reach the conclusion well before 1 million swipes that maybe this app isn't for you. Maybe you should give up on women, invest in getting a good escort/hooker, and focus your attention on things other than women and sexual relationships. This is the very definition of "it's over, it never began" that incels keep talking about on here. I didn't really beleive that all that much. But today, in 2023, when you get one dat…
/r/AllPillDebate02/11/23 04:43 PM
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After this post, I don't ever want to hear again about how men's failures are all about "personality". Men's failures are because of their looks, plain and simple. It's always looks, all the time.
/r/AllPillDebate02/11/23 04:38 PM
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how long does it even take to swipe over a million times on a dating app? This guy had to be on his phone 10 hours a day every day....
/r/AllPillDebate02/11/23 04:36 PM
2

A few of them have "partners" (i.e. women who use and exploit them for money, resources, and status). The quality of their relationships is up for debate It is? I thought you just got done telling me that these men have great relationships; or at least that I don't know anything about their relationships, but you do.
/r/AllPillDebate02/11/23 04:12 PM
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No. Her having sex with him is her "selecting" him.
/r/AllPillDebate02/11/23 04:07 PM
3

What makes them more attractive is selection by a woman; not their committing to that woman.
/r/AllPillDebate02/11/23 04:03 PM
3

All men pay for sex, one way or another.
/r/AllPillDebate02/11/23 03:57 PM
5

That's not sex. That's masturbation. "Let them eat cake". OK Marie Antoinette....
/r/AllPillDebate02/11/23 03:54 PM
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No, not really. He has fewer options than most people. He's trapped inside certain paradigms not of his own making and he cannot influence them.
/r/AllPillDebate02/11/23 03:53 PM
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Looks get you sex, which is all that matters to men.
/r/AllPillDebate02/11/23 03:48 PM
6

A fantastic way of saying "here is a blackpill, motherfucker" with using the word "blackpill". It will stay up at PPD.
/r/AllPillDebate02/11/23 03:46 PM
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Bullshit. I'm not doing anything of the kind. I do, however, have powers of observation to determine how they think and feel about men based on what they do and how they treat men.
/r/AllPillDebate02/11/23 03:37 PM
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If you have to ask, you're not reading carefully enough. Anger here is explained every day. Most men are not sexually attractive enough even for a plain Jane, average woman. Most women, including plain Jane average women, have sexual access to Chads and have at least some sexual experience with Chads. So they want, they expect, they demand, Chads and nothing less will do. They would rather accept abuse from a Chad than a decent relationship from a nonChad. They would rather share Chad with other…
/r/AllPillDebate02/11/23 03:25 PM
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I do know about their relationships. I talk to men in these realtionships all the time. I see these men in public all the time. Not a single man on this sub demands a supermodel. That's ridiculous. Most men here would settle for average HIV negative women.
/r/AllPillDebate02/11/23 03:16 PM
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Ok. What about 15-25 year old girls. They want to be in relationships. They don't need a betabuxer and most of the time they are dating broke boys their age. They wouldn't be in relationships if they didn't find those guys attractive. No, they want to have sex with attractive men and maybe lock one down for a relationship. The 15-25 age demographic is right in "cock carousel" territory. They're fucking broke boys their age. They get into STRs with attractive men and use less attractive men. Luck…
/r/AllPillDebate02/11/23 03:15 PM
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What do you think is the reason women want to be in committed relationships and get married? Money, safety, security, financial support, status with their friends and families of origins, and social/financial structure for children What's the reason college girls have boyfriends? Good sex Do you think college girls find their boyfriends attractive? Mostly. But most women aren't married to any of the men they were fucking in college. It's not until women get to their mid 20s at the absolute earli…
/r/AllPillDebate02/11/23 03:01 PM
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So. No proof, then. Just your feelings. It is a general rule that applies to the vast majority of women. No women look for unattractive beta buxers. That's what they have to end up with because they can't get the men they 're really sexually attracted to. Women desperately want commitment the way men desperately want sex. When they can't get an attractive man (as most cannot), they settle for a betabux.
/r/AllPillDebate02/11/23 02:55 PM
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Prove it. Evidence or shut up
/r/AllPillDebate02/11/23 02:46 PM
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I see short, bald men every day with wives and girlfriends. Men with mental health issues have wives and girlfriends. You see short, bald men and men with mental issues paired up with women who are equally ugly and mentally ill, and the men bear the brunt of it. These men are trapped in loveless, sexless relationships, and are in them because either (1) their financial obligations or parental obligations/needs of their children hold them hostage; or (2) they really believe 3-times-a-year starfis…
/r/AllPillDebate02/11/23 02:45 PM
1

Societies change, but people do not. Human nature does not.
/r/AllPillDebate02/11/23 02:12 PM
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THey had no empathy. They lost any and all attraction for him.
/r/AllPillDebate02/11/23 02:11 PM
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Religion has nothing to do with this. Women lose attraction for men who commit. The man has to suppress some of his attractive traits in order to commit. Women can't get commitment from the men they really want. So they have to look downmarket to men who will commit. Those men are by definition less attractive than the men they had sex with as younger women. Most women are not as sexually attracted to their husbands as they were to the men they fucked before they got married.
/r/AllPillDebate02/11/23 01:43 PM
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IYKYK
/r/AllPillDebate02/11/23 01:37 PM
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"Why are the ones who would are the ones I'm always like 'please don't'?" Because as I just explained in the last comment: You're good enough for sex; not good enough for commitment. You're not attractive enough to be worth a Chad's taking himself off the market, even temporarily. You're just not. And you never will be. If you want commitment you'll have to settle for a beta provider you're not attracted to. You'll have to settle for one of those guys from back in high school who you did the "po…
/r/AllPillDebate02/11/23 01:36 PM
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The ultimate blackest black pill for women: --can't get commitment from the men they want; don't want anything from the men offering commitment --can get only sex from the men they want --not attractive enough for the men they want It's that last point that makes most women seethe. Ladies: You're just not hot enough for the men you really want. You're not. For top men, you're good enough only for sex. All he wants to do is dump fucks in you and cum on your back and leave you to wipe it off. All …
/r/AllPillDebate02/11/23 01:16 PM
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Go away
/r/AllPillDebate02/11/23 12:43 AM
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SMH
/r/AllPillDebate01/11/23 11:18 PM
1

By jove I think she's got it! I knew you could at least learn that.
/r/AllPillDebate01/11/23 10:40 PM
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Take some girls out and get some good NSA sex.
/r/AllPillDebate01/11/23 10:38 PM
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Life and relationships were better when we didn't know all these things. It's the same for women too - they love the pretty lies they tell themselves about men too. "He'd never hurt me. He loves me. He'd marry me all over again. He'd do it all over again! He is so fulfilled by being my husband and going to his job. He'd never cheat on me. He is totally faithful to me. He never looks at other women. He is happy. I am happy. The kids are happy. Everyone's happy happy happy." Women really want to b…
/r/AllPillDebate01/11/23 10:33 PM
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SO you have fun with and fuck the 35 year old for a while until one of you gets bored or she gets to be too much of a hassle. Then you get rid of her and get another one
/r/AllPillDebate01/11/23 10:15 PM
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Date women in serial fashion. Date them and have fun with them until one of you gets bored or she gets to be too much of a hassle. Then off load her and get another one. Lather rinse repeat.
/r/AllPillDebate01/11/23 10:13 PM
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No. It won't ever be fixed. It affects sexual function too much. It's too expensive.
/r/AllPillDebate01/11/23 10:08 PM
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No, they are spinning, they're not summarizing. Divorce isn't complex at all. Women divorce men for lack of sexual attraction and because they simply don't want to be married anymore. It is really just that simple. Marriages are not happening later because of lack of money. It's because women can't marry the men they want and don't want the men who will marry them, so they spend their 20s fucking around. It has nothing to do with money. Until about 50 years ago, people married with less than not…
/r/AllPillDebate01/11/23 10:00 PM
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Most of those guys marry and become beta providers. And then end up divorce raped and living in their cars or shitty apartments while their exes bang Chads in the houses they bought.
/r/AllPillDebate01/11/23 08:32 PM
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The source is the Institute for Family Studies, with their spin on the "data" - funny how libs like you like conservative "sources" when they support your "points". I can tell women are checking off boxes by looking around: 50% divorce rate; 80% of which are filed by women. Marriage rates were in the shitter before the plandemic and women are pushing marriage off to later. They don't really want to marry the men who are available to them. People marry later in life because women don't want to ma…
/r/AllPillDebate01/11/23 08:22 PM
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Marriage rates are back to pre-pandemic levels while divorce rates are at an all-time low. Even assuming this is true (which I don't, consider the source), that does not mean women are marrying for any reason other than checking off the box. Marriage rates were in the shitter before the plandemic. To say nothing of women pushing off marriage to later. Fertility rates have decreased since the 1950s, I'll grant you, but that decrease is not remotely as sharp as it was between 1960 and 1980. A lot …
/r/AllPillDebate01/11/23 07:56 PM
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No, because if you lie about anything, especially your height, you're dead - Not only will she nuke you, she'll shittalk you to everyone she knows about what a lying fuckwad jackwagon dipshit motherfucker you are. She will make you out to be the lowest form of life on earth there could possibly be. She'll defame you on youtube. She'll put you on blast on social media. She will literally ruin your life and make it so you'll never be able to even so much as show your face in public in your town ev…
/r/AllPillDebate01/11/23 07:24 PM
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He did defend himself. It doesn't matter that she didn't "hurt" him. Assault is assault. Battery is battery. She assaulted him and battered him. Full stop. End of discussion. Men and women ARE equal. Every woman here will tell you they are. Women wanted their equality. Now they have it. They don't get to bitch and complain about the consequences of the equality they demanded and got.
/r/AllPillDebate01/11/23 07:19 PM
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I appreciate your honesty, even if you're equivocating some and virtue signaling a lot and throwing in some "but but but MEN DO IT TOO!!" stuff. and I'm 100% correct. I'm completely correct. I'm not even a little bit wrong. Not one thing I said was wrong.
/r/AllPillDebate01/11/23 07:17 PM
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Um... OK
/r/AllPillDebate01/11/23 07:06 PM
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I agree with the sentiment in the post. The reason Blue Pill has collapsed is simply because women were brought on equal political, economic, social, and professional par with men; and women decided they didn't want a Blue Pill society anymore. Women don't want marriage anymore except as a status marker for their families and friends. Marriage is no longer a vocation, or a lifelong relaitonship to be entered into with someone for love or compatibility or mutual goals or because you want to do li…
/r/AllPillDebate01/11/23 07:04 PM
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The Wall for women doesn't mean they become totally unfuckable. The Wall for women just means that point at which a woman becomes unable to attract the top men for whatever she wants. It's that point when her looks start to fade. It's that point when she can no longer command from men whatever she wants. It's that point at which she becomes unable to command attention from top men who start looking at younger women. An at the Wall woman or post-Wall woman can still attract top men for pump and d…
/r/AllPillDebate01/11/23 06:53 PM
3

Not necessarily literature, but art Fight Club (film starring Edward Norton and Brad Pitt)
/r/AllPillDebate01/11/23 06:50 PM
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He did not attack her. She attacked him. He responded in self-defense. He did not take advantage of her in any way. It does not matter that she is physically, smaller and weaker. She still chose to hit him first. Therefore, she attacked him.
/r/AllPillDebate01/11/23 05:46 PM
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The guy didn't attack her. She attacked him. She walked up to him and slapped him unprovoked. That wasnt a joke. Slapping someone in public is NOT a joke. Putting your hands on someone in public is NOT a joke, ever.
/r/AllPillDebate01/11/23 05:28 PM
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bullshit. She did assault him. She walked up to him and slapped him, unprovoked. That's the textbook definition of assault and battery.
/r/AllPillDebate01/11/23 05:26 PM
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What does the girl's size or strength have to do with a guy wanting pussy? A guy can "have respect for" a woman without riding to her rescue and "m'lady!" ing all over the place. I can have "respect" for a woman without endorsing her stupidity. The woman was an idiot for going up to a guy and slapping him when he did nothing to her. He had a right to defend himself. She was an idiot. Grey hoodie was an idiot for defending a woman's idiocy, and doing so in hopes of getting some pussy.
/r/AllPillDebate01/11/23 05:19 PM
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Loves you for who you are... right now, based on how you make her feel/provide to her. Until she doesnt anymore. Which will happen. It happens to everyone, my guy. I thought as you did. Until it happened to me. So did millions of men... until it happened to them. It will happen to you, too.
/r/AllPillDebate01/11/23 05:15 PM
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You're even sadder, because you lack courage to face the truth.
/r/AllPillDebate01/11/23 04:57 PM
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Everyone lies. All the time. Including me. Including you and everyone else here. Including our women.
/r/AllPillDebate01/11/23 04:53 PM
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It never occurs to you that women lie, does it? It never occurs to you that women lie to the men they're with.
/r/AllPillDebate01/11/23 04:49 PM
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They're extreme outliers. Rare, unpredictable events that fall way, way outside the norm. Extreme exceptions to the rule.
/r/AllPillDebate01/11/23 04:13 PM
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Women are already screaming like stuck pigs over this. There's a small contingent of women who ended up having to pay alimony because they're breadwinners who divorced their stay at home or 25% or less earning househusbands. The courts made them pay alimony. They're losing their shit over it. I do love the smell of schadenfreude in the morning.
/r/AllPillDebate01/11/23 04:12 PM
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Exactly. These men got extremely lucky. Disabled men marrying normal abled attractive women are one in a million events. They're exceptions to the rule - and we can't live our lives based on exceptions. The rule for disabled men, as it is for most nonChads, is grinding loneliness, sexlessness, and shit.
/r/AllPillDebate01/11/23 04:00 PM
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The Rock is a jacked celebrity. It's tough to use celebrities as a basis for the attractiveness of bald men. Whenever we talk about this the usual suspect are trotted out: Bruce Willis, Jason Statham, The Rock. Willis: Celebrity, tall, good facial aesthetics Statham: celebrity, jacked Rock: Celebrity, jacked, tall, racially exotic
/r/AllPillDebate01/11/23 03:57 PM
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1) You can have sex if you have herpes... it's just that such women become sexual lepers for most attractive men. "These couples" in your lists in the comments are extreme outliers. 2) Outliers. 3) N = partner count. They fucked a lot of guys, meaning they became extremely undesirable as a long term partner for all but the most unattractive men. 4) It's still all for show and they're extreme outliers. The experience of social media celebrities is way, way outside the norm for the average disable…
/r/AllPillDebate01/11/23 03:54 PM
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Outliers, all of them. Most disabled men will never, ever be able to do this. These are not the norm. For every one of these men I could show you 100,000 autistic men (who are every bit as "disabled" as these men) who can't meet anyone. For every one of these men I can show you 50 Chads who are, or claim to be, criminals, p3d0ph!l3s, autists, or r@pists, who can slay pussy with the best of them. To paraphrase a famous movie quote, "Love's got nothing to do with it."
/r/AllPillDebate01/11/23 03:51 PM
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You're trolling, right? --woman had some event which drastically reduced her SMV. Genital herpes usually does that to women. Or she's discovered she's sterile. What usually sterilizes women in their 20s and 30s is (1) repeated bouts of chlamydia and PID which scar up her tubes; or (2) PCOS resulting from obesity or genetics. --woman is in her 30s and desperately wants marriage --woman has N >50 and cannot get any other man for marriage or an LTR --Youtube? TikTok? "Love don't judge"? HAHAHAHAHAH…
/r/AllPillDebate01/11/23 03:37 PM
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Then men just need to turn the tables on these women. Sue them for divorce and pursue full child custody. Start demanding alimony and child support from women. Just tell them "we're getting divorced, I want the kids, and I demand that you give me child support and alimony." Women want equality? Here it is, good and hard. I want the kids. I want the money. Child support, now. Alimony, now.
/r/AllPillDebate01/11/23 03:32 PM
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No. Mostly, it's sexually unattractive men who never date. Ugly men. The only way a woman can never get a date is being so seriously mentally ill to the point of having to be a shut in and unable to interact with people other than family or caregivers; or being so hideously ugly that even ugly unattractive men don't want anything to do with her.
/r/AllPillDebate01/11/23 03:25 PM
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Yeah. For men: Short, bald, fat. If you're any of these, you're fucked. At least the fat you can do something about. The worst of these is short. If you're a short guy, the pool for you is much, much smaller than for most other men. And if you're like very short, like under 5'5", the pool is very, very small. You're gonna have a very hard time. For women: where they have a hard time is if they're ugly. Not just "plain", but UGLY. Like 1/10 or 2/10. They have a hard time. 3s and 4s can get guys, …
/r/AllPillDebate01/11/23 03:22 PM
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I do have to say... height is really a dealbreaker for a lot of women.
/r/AllPillDebate01/11/23 03:11 PM
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All of this is true. It's just easier for a woman to be sexually attractive than it is for a man to be sexually attractive. For every female body or face type, there's a contingent of men who are into it or at least will accept it. There's men who love tall women, short women, BBWs, chubs, skinny women, big tits, bit tits, saggy tits, huge tits, fake tits, puffy nipples, muscle girls, pearshaped girls, flat ass, Kardashian ass, black, white, Asian, Indian, Nordic, Jewish, Middle Eastern, blond, …
/r/AllPillDebate01/11/23 03:03 PM
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Because it requires you to face facts that everything you thought you knew is false; that everything the adults in your life taught you was false; that they had no idea what they were doing; and that there is no hope for you sexually or relationally. Because it gives you the truth that looks are paramount when it comes to attracting women; that most women are not and never in a billion years will be attracted to you; that women are every bit as shallow and superficial as men are when it comes to…
/r/AllPillDebate01/11/23 01:25 PM
1

What's wrong with you? You're insane
/r/AllPillDebate31/10/23 08:47 PM
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What's wrong with you?
/r/AllPillDebate31/10/23 08:42 PM
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You're insane Can't make a cogent post, so you have to insult people. Grow up little girl.
/r/AllPillDebate31/10/23 08:32 PM
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I bet you WOULD hit a guy like that in front of anyone and everyone. Bitch.
/r/AllPillDebate31/10/23 08:22 PM
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You can believe that if you want. She fucked around and found out. Oh well....
/r/AllPillDebate31/10/23 08:21 PM
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yes. Exactly. Women today want you to be the "hot boyfriend". That's what they expect from men.
/r/AllPillDebate31/10/23 08:15 PM
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Eh. She fucked around and found out. She had no business getting involved. You're an idiot. Disgusting excuse for a human. You think it's OK for a woman to slap a man like that. You are disgusting. Man hating piece of shit
/r/AllPillDebate31/10/23 08:09 PM
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I didn't say relationships are slavery. That's your weird fucked up spin on it. Not mine. Don't put your weird fuckedupness on me.
/r/AllPillDebate31/10/23 08:01 PM
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Too bad. He was bigger than she was. She knew it. She hit him anyway. She got what was coming to her.
/r/AllPillDebate31/10/23 07:38 PM
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How is this "equal"? You tell me, "strongindependentwoman". You're the ones telling us you're "equal". You're the ones telling us you can do anything you want. You're the ones going around acting like female superheroes throwing punches at men twice your size. No. You don't get to slap a guy and then cry foul when he slaps you back. You assault and batter a guy; you don't get to bitch and complain when he responds in kind with equal force in equal measure for the purpose of ending the threat.
/r/AllPillDebate31/10/23 07:36 PM
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That dumbass stuck his nose in where it didn't belong, "sticking up" for a dumbass chick who also stuck her nose in where it didn't belong. They were both dumb and both deserved the royal tuning up they got.
/r/AllPillDebate31/10/23 07:28 PM
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Fuck that. That girl was in the wrong for slapping him. She assaulted and battered him. She deserves a cop's knee on her neck and then hauled off to jail. She deserves to be charged. She deserves to be sued and held liable for damages.
/r/AllPillDebate31/10/23 07:26 PM
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Learn to read. I can define love. I'm choosing not to because it's not relevant. You aren't interested in discussion of concepts and ideas. You're interested in namecalling and casting aspersions and getting personal. kukkle's right. You are a dumb fuck.
/r/AllPillDebate31/10/23 07:05 PM
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No. It doesn't matter what you believe. It matters what I believe. If you want to write about what you believe, make your own post.
/r/AllPillDebate31/10/23 06:58 PM
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Learn to read, please. I can define it. I'm choosing not to because it's not relevant and I'm not going to let you derail this into irrelevancies. And no, the entire argument doesn't hinge on love. It hinges on the fact that love isn't enough.
/r/AllPillDebate31/10/23 06:56 PM
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Irrelevant. Has nothing to do with this post. Doesn't matter what my definition is. Love is not enough for a relationship. That's the point of the post. Stop trying to deflect into irrelevancies. The entire point of your little diversion here is to argue i'm somehow deficient in character or neuroatypical so you can cast aspersions on me personally instead of responding to the actual substance of the post. You want to make this about me, and not the concepts. Fuck off.
/r/AllPillDebate31/10/23 06:49 PM
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You'd need to ask the women who keep saying this what they think it means. I mean, I can give you their definition: "Love" = man does everything for me, gives me whatever I demand, bows and scrapes to me, while I treat him well when I feel like it
/r/AllPillDebate31/10/23 06:35 PM
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If you fear getting "murdered" because you slapped someone, then don't slap them. She was wrong for slapping him. She had no dog in that fight and she stuck her nose in where it didn't belong. That's why you stay out of fights that aren't your business. You're a man hating idiot
/r/AllPillDebate31/10/23 06:31 PM
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That was not the point of the post at all. The point of the post is that love isn't enough to sustain a relationship and that relationships entitle their participants to certain things. They create rights, privileges, duties, and obligations. When you're in a relationship, you cannot say you're not entitled to anything from the other person in that relationship. You very much are; and you very much have duties and obligations to that other person. The only way out of those duties is to leave. Th…
/r/AllPillDebate31/10/23 06:28 PM
1

You're just wrong. You're a feminist.
/r/AllPillDebate31/10/23 06:27 PM
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Nah. You're done. You don't know what you're talking about. You're a complete idiot holding forth on things about which you know less than nothing.
/r/AllPillDebate31/10/23 05:52 PM
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That explains a lot. Large parts of Europe are not the West and they're certainly not the US. The only market that matters, the only one under discussion, is the one in the United States So you don't have any idea what men in the USA look like, are like, deal with, or anything else. You literally do not know what you're talking about. You lose. I win. Stop talking. You're done.
/r/AllPillDebate31/10/23 05:45 PM
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and yet, here you are, on this same sub, spewing bitter feminist talk. You're just wrong. Women deem themselves entitled to all kinds of things from men. You're not entitled even to basic respect. All you're "entitled" to is that people not commit crimes against you.
/r/AllPillDebate31/10/23 05:37 PM
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This just isn't how relaitonships work. Once the relationship is entered, you're entitled to certain things. If you can't get those things, relationship is over. If you aren't entitled to anything in a relationship, then there's no point in being in a relationship at all, idiot. If a relationship is nothing but constant negotiation... no. Fuck that. Not doing it. You women deem yourselves entitled to all kinds of things from men in relationships - money, sexual fidelity, accountability. But, to …
/r/AllPillDebate31/10/23 05:13 PM
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Sure. But you're not going to do that. Here's what you need to do. No marriage, no kids. Work and get great at your job. Make lots of money and sock away money in your 401(k) or retirement plan. Travel during your vacations. Spend money on hookers. Retire at 50 and spend more money on vacations and hookers.
/r/AllPillDebate31/10/23 05:04 PM
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dead bedrooms and sexless relationships are FAR more common than anyone wants to admit. You don't know. You just don't know what your'e talking about at all.
/r/AllPillDebate31/10/23 04:57 PM
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"Study" LOL check out r/deadbedrooms If it were otherwise there'd be no "pill" bullshit. Guys can get women to be in "relationships" where they get a little bit of sex, sometimes. That is not "attracting" women. That is not "attraction".
/r/AllPillDebate31/10/23 04:52 PM
3

No, there isn't attraction. Now you're confusing "like" with "attraction". "Like" is not "attraction" Women like their beta cuck guys just fine. But that is NOT the same as their being attracted to those men. WOmen like their beta cucks because those beta men are nice, compliant, and agreeable. They like those beta bux men because those men stick around and make good husbands and fathers, they make good money, they're reliable and predictable and loyal and faithful and industrious and conscienti…
/r/AllPillDebate31/10/23 04:27 PM
7

No. Women do not "settle" for men they're attracted to. If a woman is "settling", she's not attracted.
/r/AllPillDebate31/10/23 04:24 PM
8

No. Average looking guys can get women to be with them when they commit and go all in in exchange for a little dollop of pussy now and then. That is not "attracting" women.
/r/AllPillDebate31/10/23 04:24 PM
2

its just not a major rush of dopamine all the time attraction like with Chad Then it's not attraction. Women are not attracted to any men except Chads. You're confusing "I like him, he's nice, he might make a good husband and father, I think I can use and exploit and control him and get him to do what I want if I dollop out some pussy to him sometimes" with "attraction". They're not the same, not at all.
/r/AllPillDebate31/10/23 04:17 PM
3

No. If women are "settling", they're not attracted. "settling" in women by definition means "not attracted". If you as a woman have to "settle", it means you're not attracted.
/r/AllPillDebate31/10/23 04:14 PM
1

OK so by this logic how do you conclude that a man in a relationship is just a betabuxx LTR cuck because he isn't Chad. Because he's in a "relationship". By definition he's a cuck. Because the only way he can get anything is to commit. Everyone screws banged out girls even Chad. But Chad isn't required to commit first. All other men are.
/r/AllPillDebate31/10/23 04:13 PM
4

But for men it IS being first choice. No man wants to be some cunt's third stringer backup "with him cuz no one else wants to be". And no, women settle for and get into relationships with average looking guys only after getting banged out by a series of Chads and failing to lock one down. Those "average guys" who you can't see get no sex. No thanks.
/r/AllPillDebate31/10/23 04:10 PM
3

Yes, indeed. When a woman is sexually attracted to you, she pleads for your love. When a woman is not sexually attracted to you, she demands your respect. Either way, a woman demands your attention.
/r/AllPillDebate31/10/23 04:06 PM
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What I think is funny is all the women coming here saying LonelyFans is A-OK, but prostitution is "exploitation" and "trafficking" and "sexual slavery" Porn is bad, but OF is OK. Prostitution is bad, but OF is OK. You women responding here are ridiculous.
/r/AllPillDebate31/10/23 03:59 PM
4

This from the same women screaming about "exploitation" and "trafficking"
/r/AllPillDebate31/10/23 03:58 PM
14

"I'll save you, M'Lady!" "um... where's the pussy I'm s'posedta get for saving you??"
/r/AllPillDebate31/10/23 03:50 PM
2

And you talk like a child
/r/AllPillDebate31/10/23 03:44 PM
36

Woman in black blazer talking shit White woman comes up and slaps him - she got what she deserved. She had it coming just as much as gray hoodie. Then gray hoodie comes up to "M'Lady!" ("Gee, maybe if I ride to her defense she'll give me some pussy!") Dumbasses. Men, this is why you stay as far away as humanly possible from all relationship drama - including your own relationship. Your woman stands up in public starting shit like this, you end the relationship right then and there and you walk a…
/r/AllPillDebate31/10/23 03:41 PM
1

Average looking guys do not get laid all the time, nor do they have decent sex lives. How do you know "average looking guys do have decent sex lives"? How do you know this? Because they tell you? What, do you watch them have sex with women? Do you know how much sex they get? No, you don't know. The ONLY way you TRULY know ANYTHING about someone's sex life is to actually see them having sex. Otherwise, you know only what they tell you. You get a carefully crafted narrative. You don't know. You kn…
/r/AllPillDebate31/10/23 03:31 PM
5

You don't know what they look like because you see only Chads.
/r/AllPillDebate31/10/23 03:28 PM
7

Oh, I see what average guys look like. I know what all sorts of men look like, from stone cold ugly to gigaChads. You don't. Women can't see them. NonChads are invisible to women.
/r/AllPillDebate31/10/23 03:27 PM
2

giga whore cope "Not all women are like that" "The women I know aren't like that" "The women who are like that are slutty/stupid/broken/damaged/crazy"
/r/AllPillDebate31/10/23 03:26 PM
2

Nice walkback. When you started this post it was "average short guys get laid all the time" now it's "some of them get laid sometimes". Now you're getting it. Yes it is "finished" because of looks. But stick around... maybe you'll learn something.
/r/AllPillDebate31/10/23 03:24 PM
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Why would women message and date guys they aren't attracted to? Perhaps because women value more than looks in a relationship. --money --commitment as status symbol for her family and friends --a husband/money source for her lifestyle and children --safety/security for her A man can still date women out of his physical league. Now I know you don't know what average men look like.
/r/AllPillDebate31/10/23 03:22 PM
5

You don't know what 99% of men look like.
/r/AllPillDebate31/10/23 03:19 PM
6

Yeah, right back at you. I don't believe you have a marriage or relationship either - you haven't proven anything either. You're probably writing your posts from a brothel or your daddy's house. "AlL YoU nEeD iS LoVe" this is how children talk about relationships. You're ridiculous.
/r/AllPillDebate31/10/23 02:57 PM
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We don't know what her actions are. She hasn't written about them. We can make good educated guesses though, based on experience, education, and expertise. She's not taking responsibility for any of them though. His "actions" (to the extent any of it is real) don't happen in a vacuum. There are reasons women get into relationships with these men. There are reasons men act this way - most of it being provocation from cunty women.
/r/AllPillDebate31/10/23 02:56 PM
6

And she settles grudgingly because that's the only way she can get commitment. Women's number 1 problem in this market is they can't get commitment from the men they want; and don't want anything from the men offering commitment.
/r/AllPillDebate31/10/23 02:54 PM
5

I have 40 years of interacting with women and a 27 year marriage. What have you got? oh, yeah, that's right. "All you need is llllurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrve"
/r/AllPillDebate31/10/23 02:48 PM
4

Because she is not accepting any responsibility at all for her actions. She blames it 100% on him. Her perspective is skewed. In no case are marital problems 100% one party's fault. None.
/r/AllPillDebate31/10/23 02:47 PM
3

No. The guy loses, because he had to pay and waste time and money for spoiled table scraps leftover sex from a diseased banged out pussy
/r/AllPillDebate31/10/23 02:43 PM
6

No, average looking guys do not "get laid all the time". They get a little bit of sex sometimes, that they have to work and pay for.
/r/AllPillDebate31/10/23 02:42 PM
7

Of course - it's always the man's fault. It never occurs to women that marital problems are at least somewhat the wife's fault.
/r/AllPillDebate31/10/23 02:40 PM
4

You don't know this because you don't know what average looking guys look like.
/r/AllPillDebate31/10/23 02:40 PM
3

You don't know what "average looking guys" look like because you can't see them.
/r/AllPillDebate31/10/23 02:39 PM
4

When I see a girl and a guy holding hands walking down the street talking and smiling I assume its an LTR, do you not? No. First, you see that maybe a few times a month. Not "all the time". Second, I don't assume anything. Could be a sugar relationship. Could be a hookup. Could be an LTR. That does NOT mean those men are getting sex. Or that they're getting anything they want. Explain. Look it up. A Beta bux is a husband or boyfriend. He's trading resources and commitment for table scrap leftove…
/r/AllPillDebate31/10/23 02:39 PM
7

top 20% of men have sex with all the women. Not "get". Have sex with. Bottom 80% men can get some shitty spoiled table-scrap leftover sex by committing and marrying.
/r/AllPillDebate31/10/23 02:33 PM
2

You don't know this. You're guessing and speculating.
/r/AllPillDebate31/10/23 02:30 PM
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You literally don't know what you're talking about. No, you don't see guys in relationships. You see guys in public with women. You don't know anything about them. All you know is that on that day in that place at that time you happened to see some average or below average guy with some woman somewhere in public. Betabuxxing is not guys just supplying money. There's more to betabuxxing. Betabuxxing is not findom and it's not golddigging. You don't know anything about men and their relationships.…
/r/AllPillDebate31/10/23 02:29 PM
1

No, you just keep telling men that they're not owed anything. Women are not owed anything either.
/r/AllPillDebate31/10/23 02:20 PM
3

You can believe that if you want. Don't care. The cunt is not taking any responsibility for her part in the marital problems. IN no case are marital problems 100% one party's fault.
/r/AllPillDebate31/10/23 02:17 PM
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You don't want to know... I kind of had it forced on me. Read the rest of my comment. The OP is straight up a woman who is not and never was attracted to her husband. So she's abusing him, withholding sex, and manipulating and defrauding him. I know this because she is not taking any responsibility at all for her part in the marriage's problems. In absolutely no case are marital problems 100% one party's fault.
/r/AllPillDebate31/10/23 02:15 PM
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I know more about this than you will ever know. Changing after marriage or pregnancy is what WOMEN do. Not what men do. Men don't change after marriage or pregnancy. Men stay pretty much the same their whole lives, and women bitch and complain about it
/r/AllPillDebate31/10/23 02:13 PM
1

Nobody's crying except the cunts who are getting their free money taken away and those who won't be getting unlimited free money. You aren't owed any of those things either. Nor are you owed men's money.
/r/AllPillDebate31/10/23 02:13 PM
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Doubtful. You need to use your brain and not your feelings. You're speculating. I'm using experience, education, training, and expertise
/r/AllPillDebate31/10/23 02:10 PM
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Why would she marry a man she's not attracted to? --no one else would --she needed his money --had baby rabies --got knocked up --she's mentally unstable
/r/AllPillDebate31/10/23 02:06 PM
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Yes sir. You have the correct take on this. If she were attracted to her husband, she'd absolutely love his groping her. She bristles at it because she is not and never has been sexually attracted to him. IT would not matter if he were broke or irresponsible or stupid. Women love fucking broke, irresponsible, stupid men - if they're good looking Chads.
/r/AllPillDebate31/10/23 02:03 PM
3

Then she lied in this post. Or in the other one. I don't accept women at their word anymore. They're lying - usually by omission, sometimes outright. Either way, I don't believe her. She's not telling the whole truth. What is her responsibility in all this? Where did she fuck up her marriage?
/r/AllPillDebate31/10/23 02:02 PM
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Because this is what women do with husbands they're not attracted to. I don't need to see it in her post - it's what women do. No one is assuming. Unlike you, I am not going to assume their marital problems are 100% his fault. She bears fault too - mostly for not taking care of her husband and not doing her fucking job as a wife.
/r/AllPillDebate31/10/23 02:00 PM
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Then she needs to do her part to fix this --stop abusing him --stop sexually withholding --if she really can't muster it up to fuck him, leave him and leave the kid with him, she gets a job, she pays child support and temporary alimony while he gets on his feet. Fair is fair, strongindependentwomen. Start paying your fair share. Start supporting your husbands. Start paying child support. Start paying alimony.
/r/AllPillDebate31/10/23 01:52 PM
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No, she was sexually withholding and not attracted to him, and used sex to manipulate him. She weaponized sex. Nowhere does it say he was a cheater. If that appears in comments, I don't believe it - if that were the case it should appear in the OP and not as an afterthought - that's just her making shit up. I don't believe for one goddamn second that literally EVERYTHING is his fault.
/r/AllPillDebate31/10/23 01:50 PM
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he’s been controlling, financially/emotionally/physically abusive, and used sexual coercion to get what he wanted since our kid was 2 months old He's been like this because 1) She's never been attracted to him 2) She's used him for his money 3) She's withheld sex to control him 4) He's sex starved She's been sexually controlling, sexually/mentally/emotionally abusive, and has used emotional abuse and coercion to get what she wants since the day she met him. They should just get divorced.
/r/AllPillDebate31/10/23 01:47 PM
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Congratulations. You have the courage to face the truth.
/r/AllPillDebate31/10/23 01:46 PM
1

1) Because women need the money 2) Because men need the spankbank material
/r/AllPillDebate31/10/23 01:45 PM
3

This from women who right now are squealing like stuck pigs because Florida outlawed permanent alimony.
/r/AllPillDebate31/10/23 01:45 PM
2

OK. Tell this to women who are not entitled to any money at all from their men.
/r/AllPillDebate31/10/23 12:28 PM
1

Bring in a relationship entitles you to certain things
/r/AllPillDebate31/10/23 12:27 PM
1

Then you don’t deserve financial support
/r/AllPillDebate31/10/23 12:26 PM
4

Yes. Evidence that life can be cruel. Women can be cruel. What's wrong with this evidence? Most women are like this.
/r/AllPillDebate30/10/23 09:46 PM
1

Relationships create rights and privileges. Entitlements, if you will. If such were not the case, there'd be no relationships.
/r/AllPillDebate30/10/23 09:10 PM
4

Being treated like you're cared about isn't the equivalent of you not getting laid Nonsense. If you want to be cared about, you should be fucking your man. If you're not fucking your man, he has no reason to care about you. Looking at it another way, if a man is caring about you, he's entitled to you caring about him (i.e. taking care of his sexual wants/needs). If In a relationship both people involved should be treated nicely by the other. Neither is entitled to sex, favors or even kindness fr…
/r/AllPillDebate30/10/23 09:09 PM
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Can't disagree too much. Sex with a hooker is essentially masturbating into a vagina. Rent-a-pussy. Renting a woman's body as a masturbatory aid. A step above masturbation. Better than masturbation though. And less expensive in the long run. But with a wife or a girlfriend, you pay whether you get sex or not.
/r/AllPillDebate30/10/23 08:50 PM
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It's horseshit, all of it. Women enjoy all kinds of sex, including casual sex, with attractive men. What happens here is that many times, women have casual sex with an attractive man in the secret hope that they'll get a relationship out of it. When they don't get their relationship (as happens about 95%+ of the time), they bitch and complain and get hurt and disappointed and stomp around blaming everyone but themselves for their stupid sexual decisions and dashed hopes. (The problem is women ha…
/r/AllPillDebate30/10/23 06:31 PM
2

What is it about "these men are not gay" do you not understand? Men are not going to engage in sex acts with people they're not attracted to. Period. Full stop. End of discussion.
/r/AllPillDebate30/10/23 05:48 PM
10

He just enjoys trolling
/r/AllPillDebate30/10/23 03:31 PM
6

Nah. "paypigs" get nothing for their money. They get off on giving their money to findoms in exchange for "abuse". When you deal with a hooker, you're getting sex. What you call "transferring wealth", I call "paying for a desired service". It's like paying your electric and gas bill every month - you use a service, you pay for it. You're not simping - you're buying a service. You're not getting cucked. Everything's above board and you're not getting used.
/r/AllPillDebate30/10/23 03:14 PM
3

So, not millions. Allegedly. I don't beleive this. If that were true, it would be considered a law enforcement problem more important than murder. Women get everything from law enforcement and government - preferential treatment, free programs, free assistance, anything they want, anytime they want.
/r/AllPillDebate30/10/23 02:48 PM
3

No. Not millions. A few, maybe. But this isn't happening in a widespread manner in the US. If it were, it would be a number 1 priority of law enforcement, the UN, Interpol, etc.
/r/AllPillDebate30/10/23 02:39 PM
3

I'm just going to take the less obvious ones: Unattractive men can be more valuable and respected than attractive men. No, as a general rule, they cannot. As a rule, unattractive men earn less money than attractive men, have less prestigious jobs than attractive men, are considered "less than" attractive men who do the same jobs they do, and aren't considered valuable or respected no matter what they do. You can't use world-famous or singularly accomplished men as your examples because most men …
/r/AllPillDebate30/10/23 02:38 PM
3

bullshit. they can leave anytime they want. This is america, land of the free. What, is someone putting guns to millions of women's heads forcing them to have sex with men for money?
/r/AllPillDebate30/10/23 02:22 PM
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/r/AllPillDebate30/10/23 02:21 PM
6

No one is forcing women to become prostitutes.
/r/AllPillDebate30/10/23 01:54 PM
2

1) higher end escorts get regularly tested for STDs and screen their clients. 2) Use condoms every time.
/r/AllPillDebate30/10/23 01:53 PM
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I disagree. Unpopular opinions incoming. By paying an escort you're admitting defeat and submitting to women and their sexual [hierarchy]. No. You're engaging in an economic transaction to get something you want. You're not admitting defeat; you're playing the game with the hand you've been dealt. You're not submitting to anyone. You have power here - after all, you're the one with the money they want. You're telling them that "ok, I'm done. I'll pay you money to have sex." So what? You're getti…
/r/AllPillDebate30/10/23 01:50 PM
1

OK. I'll change it just for you. Here you go, snowflake. No, it's not overly simplistic. It's realistic. You want to take your chances on a whore, that's on you.
/r/AllPillDebate29/10/23 05:07 PM
2

nah. It's inability to get sex. In = involuntary. Not free. A state of being in which one does not want to be. "cel" = celibate. Celibate = person who does not have sex. "Incel" = person who does not have sex but who does not want that condition. The comparable position for a woman who can't get a relationship has been called in other places an "inspin", or involuntary spinster. You might not know this, but in decades and ages past a "spinster" was a woman who never married. So an involuntary sp…
/r/AllPillDebate29/10/23 04:48 PM
2

No. Most women compare their prior men to their current ones. They've expressly done this with me. Thousands of other men report the same phenomena at r/theredpill and other sites. You're also not wife material or relationship material. You're straight up hookup/soft harem material. Frankly I think you come here to troll and aren't interested in real good faith discussion.
/r/AllPillDebate29/10/23 04:42 PM
1

No, it's not overly simplistic. It's realistic. You want to take your chances on a 304, that's on you.
/r/AllPillDebate29/10/23 04:27 PM
3

only because women are the ones who do the comparing in their own minds. Women sabotage and destroy their own relationships based on their own comparisons.
/r/AllPillDebate29/10/23 03:42 PM
0

Who they were is very much a part of who they are now. Every human is the sum total of everything (and everyone) they have done up to this moment. You are not what you say or think. You are what you do, and have done. Every human is what they do, and have done. Past performance IS indicative of future results when dealing with human beings. Men too. The best predictor of what a woman will do is what she has done before in the same or similar situations.
/r/AllPillDebate29/10/23 03:42 PM
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As long as I get whatever Chad got to have and she brings her A game every single day and I don't have to deal with her baggage, it's OK. Chad blasted inside her 2 hours after meeting her? That's what she needs to give me. Chad got hot swing from the chandeliers monkey sex? That's what she needs to give me. No baggage. No "issues". She needs to get that shit handled. I will not deal with that shit. No sex? Gone. Start in with "issues"? Gone. Sex starts falling off? Gone. Start flipping me shit? …
/r/AllPillDebate29/10/23 02:42 PM
-4

Seriously? No. Take a break from this pill shit. Log off, and we'll see you in a week or two. Seriously. Go take care of yourself. Whatever you like doing, go do that.
/r/AllPillDebate29/10/23 02:37 PM
2

Heh. I doubt you find generosity, desire for commitment, trustworthiness, or kindness sexually attractive. If you said that they made you comfortable or made you love him, that I'd agree with. But make you wet? No. The only "attractive" that matters is sexually attractive.
/r/AllPillDebate28/10/23 09:43 PM
2

"Billy Beta" is just an average guy. The average man who actually makes the country work. The "it aint good enough" statement is how women view average men and how women view average men's approach to their lives. To the extent there's any negativity in the above, it's created by women and how women view all of this.
/r/AllPillDebate28/10/23 09:22 PM
2

It's very common for borderlines to do this: come on strong and fast with sex, offering up crazy stupid sex pre-marriage. The entire point of this is to hook the guy in and to extract commitment and resources, and so she can manipulate him. Then once she's locked him down, she cuts him off sexually or slows the sex to an IV drip. Vanilla missionary lights off only. No BJs.
/r/AllPillDebate28/10/23 09:20 PM
4

If sex isn't important to you, you're an outlier among men. For most of us, sex is by far and away the prime reason we interact with women. It's the one thing a man needs from a woman he can't get anywhere else. If she's not bringing good sex, and lots of it, she's useless to me. Relationships with women are sexual relationships. No sex, no relationship. No sex, no marriage. No sex, she has no value to me.
/r/AllPillDebate28/10/23 08:47 PM
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Obviously those things are important to you - lots of sex and your partner doing what you want. But neither of those things are the only way to express sexual attraction and care for a partner Yes, they're important to me and they're what I want. So any woman who's with me needs to bring those things. Like, what you value in a relationship is not what others want/need/value. Then they can be with other people. Anyone who's with me needs to bring me what I want and need. If she can't or won't do …
/r/AllPillDebate28/10/23 08:44 PM
3

what negative connotations?
/r/AllPillDebate28/10/23 08:44 PM
3

I'll bet $100 she was a borderline
/r/AllPillDebate28/10/23 08:43 PM
-1

Thank you sir.
/r/AllPillDebate28/10/23 08:28 PM
1

Again, you are showing that you're not wife material. If you were wife material, other men would have recognized that and taken you off the market already. One can safely presume your continued presence in this market and inability to secure the commitment of the "high value" men you prefer means you're not attractive enough for them. If you were attractive enough for them, one of them would have recognized that, offered you the commitment you desire, and you would be with him. Since you're not,…
/r/AllPillDebate28/10/23 08:27 PM
2

?
/r/AllPillDebate28/10/23 08:25 PM
1

If there are 'base assumptions and context' it's on you to make those assumptions and context known and clear and not presume others know what you mean. It's on society to properly socialize its members to those assumptions and contexts. It's on women to communicate clearly and directly. A failure to make your assumptions known and clear is dishonesty and fraud. You don't know what they said because you weren't there. I was right there and heard every word they said. Words have meaning. Words me…
/r/AllPillDebate28/10/23 08:21 PM
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Absolutely. All you have to do is be a woman's Chad. Or one of her alpha fux. Chad gets to see "the real woman". He sees who she really is. She shows Chad her "true self". Her beta husband, the man she will eventually marry, will never really know her, the real her. He will never have her desire. He will always live in Chad's shadow. She will always resent him for not being Chad. And she will make his life sheer hell.
/r/AllPillDebate28/10/23 08:21 PM
1

You don't know what they said because you weren't there. I was right there and I heard every word they said. I took women at their word. I believed the words that they said. I was wrong to do that. Because women don't use words the same way men do. Words have meaning. Words mean things.
/r/AllPillDebate28/10/23 06:07 PM
10

Huh. That's not the intent... i'm describing a relationship between two people who are sexually attracted to each other and care about each other.
/r/AllPillDebate27/10/23 08:38 PM
3

I've made my point. You are not and never will be wife material.
/r/AllPillDebate27/10/23 08:20 PM
3

No, you said it was meaningless. You should never get married. Ever. You need to accept a life of hookups.
/r/AllPillDebate27/10/23 08:19 PM
3

Stop talking. You're not wife material.
/r/AllPillDebate27/10/23 08:18 PM
2

Stop talking. You are not wife material. You just said sex doesn't matter; now you're saying it does. Just stop. You're firstball fastball hookup material and that's all you are and all you'll ever be.
/r/AllPillDebate27/10/23 08:14 PM
5

You just got done saying sexual attraction is meaningless. Now it's meaningFUL? You are not wife material. Just stop talking. And do not get married. God help any man who marries you.
/r/AllPillDebate27/10/23 08:12 PM
21

bullshit. She's not attracted to the guy. That guy is going to rope when she's done with him
/r/AllPillDebate27/10/23 08:11 PM
10

No, it's women too - saying shit like --we love nice guys --nice guys make our pussies wet --we love it when guys do those nice little things for us --just be nice, just be yourself, and someday someone will love you just for who you are! It is women's fault. It is society's fault. You lied to us because you need a steady supply of beta bux men you're not attracted to to pay your bills. You said so yourself - sex isn't important for relationships, at least not to you. you, maam, are not wife mat…
/r/AllPillDebate27/10/23 08:09 PM
6

shit. 10 to 20 YEARS??? No, give it 1 year.
/r/AllPillDebate27/10/23 08:07 PM
3

My attitude doesn't matter. The woman's honesty matters. If a woman told me "you're 'relationship material' so sex doesn't matter", I'd say "it matters to me. Good luck to you".
/r/AllPillDebate27/10/23 08:01 PM
4

Sexual attraction is meaningful to the man you're going to be with for 40 years. I hope you never marry. You are not wife material. Relationships are above love and commitment and sex. You are going to destroy whoever you marry. For the love of God, do not marry. Ever. Either that, or sign whatever prenup he gives you, and don't complain when your husband fucks other women.
/r/AllPillDebate27/10/23 07:59 PM
2

It's all moot without a man.
/r/AllPillDebate27/10/23 07:58 PM
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yeah. A woman who wants an LTR should find one man who's nice to her, they like each other, they're sexually attracted to each other, and just latch onto him for dear life. She should fuck the absolute shit out of him every day. She should be ripping his clothes off him and bouncing on his cock every day. She should do whatever he tells her to do. If Billy Beta could get that from a woman, he would literally break himself in half for her. He would move heaven and earth for her. He would do whate…
/r/AllPillDebate27/10/23 07:56 PM
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Yes, women in 2023 are following that advice... when they want to get married.
/r/AllPillDebate27/10/23 07:53 PM
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First, I never said "don't hook up". Second, the motivations matter. You should not be getting with a man for ANY reason other than sexual attraction. Because that's why the guy is with you. You should not give any attention to any man you don't want to rip his clothes off him and bounce on his cock with sheer abandon. If you don't feel like that about him, leave him be. If all you want is resource extraction, at least be honest about it. The problem is the dishonesty and manipulation.
/r/AllPillDebate27/10/23 07:51 PM
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Yeah, I'm Ok with women hooking up. I just want them to be honest. I am OK with women getting relationships too. Again - I just want them to be honest. The problem is the manipulation and fraud. There's no problem with having sex or not having sex. I am fine if a woman says "Chad is hawt so I will fuck him now; but Billy Beta is 'relationship material' so he has to pay and wait." Then Billy can decide if that's a good deal for him, or not.
/r/AllPillDebate27/10/23 07:48 PM
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Sure....
/r/AllPillDebate27/10/23 07:46 PM
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Women can't create life either without men.
/r/AllPillDebate27/10/23 07:45 PM
5

They're waiting to have sex for all the wrong reasons. They're doing this to manipulate men they're not attracted to into relationships for the express purpose of extracting resources from those men. They aren't waiting to fuck those men because they love and are attracted to those men but want to make sure those men have good honorable intentions toward them. They're waiting to fuck those men because they don't really want to fuck them and because they want to position those men for resource ex…
/r/AllPillDebate27/10/23 07:43 PM
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That's not the blue pill for women. Blue pill for women is best exemplified in The Rules (1995) by Sherrie Schneider and Ellen Fein. The philosophy in there is much like FemaleDatingStrategy --woman is the prize --make him dance like a monkey --withhold sex as long as possible if you think he's "relationship material". The purpose of this is to make him "prove himself" and his "worthiness" for a relationship with you before you give him anything he wants --gain as much control as possible over e…
/r/AllPillDebate27/10/23 07:35 PM
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yep I want to know who this woman is so I can google her and see what turns up
/r/AllPillDebate27/10/23 06:10 PM
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Notice her slight leaning out and away when Pudgy McPudgerson kisses her. She will divorce rape his ass with an unlubed baseball bat. I give them 2 years
/r/AllPillDebate27/10/23 05:24 PM
2

No, not really. But I can tell you have deep-seated mental illness and some sort of fixation on semen. You definitely need to be examined.
/r/AllPillDebate27/10/23 03:57 PM
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Legit. With "betabux husband" meaning "she will not genuinely love or care about you; she will not be sexually attracted to you, but she could, possibly, become willing to fuck you in exchange for immediate unfettered access to all your resources and irrevocable commitment; and you will wait for sex until you give commitment/resources; and the sex you get will be boring vanilla BJ-less sex that she controls".
/r/AllPillDebate27/10/23 03:08 PM
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Yeah. In exchange for free drugs.
/r/AllPillDebate27/10/23 03:02 PM
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There are exceptions to blackpill. Drug dealers and other men who engage in high risk illegal activity might be one of them, because it's a proxy for masculinity. Women are sexually attracted to masculine men. Second, women like these men for the free drugs. What you're seeing might be less sexual attraction and more "strung out addict whoring herself to Pookie's Open Air Pharmacy" or "strung out addict paying off her past due dope bills to Pookie with blowjobs". If you think women won't have se…
/r/AllPillDebate27/10/23 02:58 PM
5

This looks like a personal problem you have. Maybe you should get that checked out.
/r/AllPillDebate27/10/23 02:44 PM
3

I had to have this discussion with my wife "Wife, either fix your shit or I'm divorcing you." She fixed her shit.
/r/AllPillDebate27/10/23 02:41 PM
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link broken
/r/AllPillDebate27/10/23 02:35 PM
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Norah Vincent was a butch lesbian writer and journalist who had bad depression her whole life. She had a bad depression attack while living as a man for her book, Self-Made Man. In fact it got so bad she had to cut her time and "research" short. She just couldn't do it anymore. If women had to put up with even half the shit we men spend our entire lives living with from cradle to grave, 90% of them would self-delete in a week. Women cannot handle reality even while living in God mode. How the he…
/r/AllPillDebate27/10/23 02:30 PM
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Women who own or care for horses are batshit. That, and their equestrienne "hobby" is astronomically expensive. Guess who'll be paying for that? That's right, her man will.
/r/AllPillDebate27/10/23 02:26 PM
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If I had a dating profile it would be --no smokers --no illegal drug users --no women in treatment for any mental disorders --no women "in recovery" --no pets --no equestriennes --no kids, or if you have kids, you will keep them away from me --must be H/W proportionate --no foaming at the mouth "progressives"
/r/AllPillDebate27/10/23 02:21 PM
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So? Men's standards are reasonable. I can totally beleive a man would put "no n * ggers" on his profile. Of course he would. Men don't like naggers. We don't want to date naggers. Jokes aside- most men will not openly state racial preferences and certainly will not do so using epithets. Women will do so all the time, usually either expressly excluding black men or expressly preferring black men. If i had a dating profile, i'd probably put most of those preferences on there except for any racial …
/r/AllPillDebate27/10/23 02:17 PM
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"I want a guy who takes care of himself" "must be height/weight proportionate" code for "no fat guys"
/r/AllPillDebate27/10/23 02:14 PM
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No military or ex military
/r/AllPillDebate27/10/23 02:13 PM
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Therapy is useful only to gain perspective on one's own life and challenges in life; to learn to accept reality; and live life within that reality. Therapy is not for one to sit there and whine and complain week after week after month after month. If that's all you're going to do, don't waste your time or money. Go to a friend, your mom, a sibling, a pastor, someone who cares about you, and whine. Sit on the pity pot for a few minutes. If you're going to therapy, find one of your own sex. Make t…
/r/AllPillDebate27/10/23 01:53 PM
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Women are very confident in and willing to approach men who they find attractive. Women know they can get any man they want. If she's not approached you, it's because she doesn't want you. For sex. Women approach men they want to fuck. Women know they can get any man they want for sex. If she's not approached you, it's because she's not sexually attracted to you and doesn't want to fuck you.
/r/AllPillDebate27/10/23 01:13 PM
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Typical problem almost all women have in the current social order: A woman doesn't want commitment from the men offering it; and cannot get commitment from the sexually attractive men she wants. The men she wants use her for sex. She won't fuck the men who want her and offer commitment to her. She won't fuck even the man she picks for marriage, mostly because she had to settle for him and isn't sexually attracted to him.
/r/AllPillDebate27/10/23 01:11 PM
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It’s the expectation and cultural mindset that women should be a caretaker for everybody. No. The expectation is that you pick one guy and care for him, and you leave everyone else alone. I don't expect all random women everywhere to be "caretakers" for me. Most women are insufferable and I don't want the majority of them anywhere near me. But the cultural expectation also is that we men have to protect all women - even women who do nothing for us and are actively hostile to us. That's got to ch…
/r/AllPillDebate27/10/23 01:04 PM
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You can believe all this if you want. It's all moot, really. No, people could not choose with no difficulties. This really is just abortion advocates being pissed that you lost something on the merits based on shit constitutional law that finally got corrected, and you can't handle it. You lost this one. fucking deal with it. Cry more.
/r/AllPillDebate26/10/23 11:22 PM
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Most men prefer to spread their seed. Most men accept they're unable to spread their seed. Most men accept that if they want to deposit their seed someplace, they have to settle on one and only one field for said deposits.
/r/AllPillDebate26/10/23 11:07 PM
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It's not in the works. It's not going to happen. Period. This is all Chicken Littling over nothing. Justice Kavanagh has already weighed in saying he will vote to strike down any ban on abortion interstate travel. I'm glad he's there. I'm also glad he voted to overturn Roe because Roe was shitty constitutional law.
/r/AllPillDebate26/10/23 11:04 PM
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Taxes are used for health care for women, including their psych needs for years of their fuckedupness after their abortions. Taxes I pay. You're welcome.
/r/AllPillDebate26/10/23 11:03 PM
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Not a single one of those prosecutions has anything to do with prosecuting people crossing state lines from an anti-abortion state going to a pro-abortion state to get an abortion. Any law that bars interstate travel to do something that is legal in the destination state is per se on its face unconstitutional. Justice Kavanagh said so. Aren't you glad he's on SCOTUS? Every single one of those laws (Alabama and Texas) has been held unconstitutional and those states have been barred from enforcing…
/r/AllPillDebate26/10/23 11:01 PM
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No they have not been prosecuted for crossing state lines. Those laws are unconstitutional on their face.
/r/AllPillDebate26/10/23 10:45 PM
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And if you're not sexually attractive in your 20s, you probably won't be in your 30s or 40s either.
/r/AllPillDebate26/10/23 10:38 PM
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Yes it does affect everyone, because I as a taxpayer have to pay for it, and suffer the social effects of fucked up women and their abortions.
/r/AllPillDebate26/10/23 10:38 PM
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Let's be clear. having a job and not being a fatass are not enough. You have to also be sexually attractive. If you're not sexually attractive, you're dead in the water. Hell, you're not even in the fucking water. You don't even know where the water is.
/r/AllPillDebate26/10/23 10:18 PM
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It is virtue signaling. Your suggestion is that you are somehow "better" than men who are attracted to most women. 1) Most women expect men to be honest about their intentions. Most women expect that if a man is sexually attracted to her and is interested in her, he make that very plain, make his move, and shoot his shot. And if he doesn't, he's either a pussy or a NiceGuy (TM). Most women don't want a relationship to "start out as friends". Most women expect men to be clear about their sexual a…
/r/AllPillDebate26/10/23 09:49 PM
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You had good, decent social, nonsexual interactions with other humans. Good. Sexual interactions are different. Attracting a woman for sex takes a different skill set and a different set of characteristics than moving through the work/social world.
/r/AllPillDebate26/10/23 08:45 PM
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And once it doesn't translate to sexual success
/r/AllPillDebate26/10/23 08:42 PM
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No. He didn't. In the link above, he said "Average men disgust women". The clear import of that statement in context is that women don't want to have sex with average men. And I think that anyone who's intellectually honest will concede that. Will some women treat men they're not attracted to as "subhooman"? Sure. will all women do that? No. Most women who aren't attracted to some unattractive guy they're talking to will be polite and will end the interactions as soon as possible. Some will be t…
/r/AllPillDebate26/10/23 08:31 PM
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--all young men are very nice and most young women are sexually attracted to them --being nice gets women's pussies wet --women are 100% honest about what sexually attracts them --women really don't like Chads and never have casual sex with them --Chad is a mythical creature no one has ever really seen --All married couples have lots of satisfying sex all the time --The only reasons divorces happen is because men are so mean and nasty --every human is a special snowflake, with wants and needs al…
/r/AllPillDebate26/10/23 07:13 PM
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As I've painstakingly explained to you, if you're an unattractive man, you're not "attractive enough". The only way you can get sex is by paying for it. You cannot be just any human male 18 years or older and get into a sex party or sex club. Doesn't happen. You have to know where they are and get invited. You cannot just show up. You must be part of the community.
/r/AllPillDebate26/10/23 07:08 PM
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Men don't have female friends ONLY AND SOLELY because they want sex with them. But attraction is still present. And attraction means they would want sex with them and would have sex with them if the opportunity presented itself. Sure, you could like spending time with them platonically because of personality and common interests... but most men still won't do it. Waste of time. The sex thing gets in the way. The best wisdom on this comes from ...When Harry Met Sally. Sally: Can men and women be …
/r/AllPillDebate26/10/23 07:00 PM
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False. You're full of shit. Yeah, i've seen people that go to sex parties. Attractive enough. And would pointedly exclude incels. Would expressly disinvite them and probably call the police if any of them showed up. You cannot just show up at a sex party or club. You have to know where they are and you have to get invited. Those are communities and you have to be part of them and to be part of them you have to be invited.
/r/AllPillDebate26/10/23 06:26 PM
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ust one example, one of my closest friends - male or female - is a 76-year old female neighbor of mine. So is that neighbor a real "friend"? Like you confide things to each other? You socialize frequently in and out of your homes? You tell each other your deepest darkest secrets? You loan each other money? You would have each other's backs in an emergency? you know each other's birthdates? You exchange birthday and holiday gifts of substantial expense? Because if it's like 99.99999999999999% of …
/r/AllPillDebate26/10/23 06:24 PM
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If we agree that these things are not exclusive, I think claiming that men have female friends only because they want to bang them is false. The second premise doesn't follow from the first.
/r/AllPillDebate26/10/23 06:22 PM
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It counts as sex, but not the same way as for women. It's not free. It's not safe. Soliciting prostitution is illegal everywhere in the US except Nevada, and even then you have to go to a registered brothel and pay. Including taxes. No, he can't get a drunk at the bar. You women tell me that's rape. According to you women, having sex with drunk women is rape. He can't get a lonely fat chick or a granny. They're not attracted to him. He can't go to a sex party/club. He's not attractive enough for…
/r/AllPillDebate26/10/23 06:16 PM
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I answered this. Possibly. But the sex thing is still in the way. sexual attraction, sexual tension, still colors everything in the relationship. You might not think so, but the men you have the relationships with do. They might not admit they do; but they do. They're men. They think about it, consider it, mull it over. That dude ok-smile explained it very well, better than I did.
/r/AllPillDebate26/10/23 06:12 PM
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No. You're still way off the mark. And still virtue signaling, which apparently no one is immune from.
/r/AllPillDebate26/10/23 06:09 PM
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False. An incel can get sex but only by paying escorts or hookers. In that case, sex isn't like water for him. It's more like restaurant food. Sure, he can get it, but he must pay for it. He has to have money. No pay, no lay. And it's not always of good quality. He has to protect himself at all times. It's not safe. What he's doing is illegal, and he could contract diseases from it. He could be arrested and jailed for soliciting. So no, the two situations between men and women are not the same a…
/r/AllPillDebate26/10/23 06:05 PM
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Thank you. I can't believe I have to spoonfeed some people on this site like this. It's like some people are reading these very fundamental 101-level concepts for the very first time and their heads explode.
/r/AllPillDebate26/10/23 05:53 PM
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Horseshit. Women value casual sex with Chads too. That's why you women have so much casual sex with Chads.
/r/AllPillDebate26/10/23 05:45 PM
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You couldn't even be guaranteed sex even then.
/r/AllPillDebate26/10/23 05:40 PM
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Well, you enjoy your trans with anime whatever. You're weird.
/r/AllPillDebate26/10/23 05:38 PM
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So, they couldn't just "get sex" by existing. They had to be married. Back in 1960, you could not "get sex" just by existing as a married man. You had to, BY YOUR OWN ADMISSION: --exist --get educated --survive to at least age 18 --get a job that paid well enough to support a wife and children --keep that job and keep getting paid well enough for at least 40 years --be a father to her children And that's just to get married. "Get married" is not the same thing as "get sex". Wasn't that way in 19…
/r/AllPillDebate26/10/23 05:35 PM
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I wouldn't call myself ugly. But I do know generally what makes men ugly: --baldness/receding hairline, especially if you're under age 30 --big eyes, raised eyebrows ("gay face") --large open mouth with gay face ("soy face") --negative canthal tilt (Brent Musburger face) --inability to grow facial hair --poorly defined jaw line, recessed chin --lack of V-shaped taper from shoulder to waist --pear-shaped body --low to no muscle definition --obesity (over 25% body fat) --short height (under 5'6") …
/r/AllPillDebate26/10/23 05:30 PM
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Included in the 1/4: women who had sex they wanted but then later decided they didn't really want, or had "regret sex", or had sex while kind of intoxicated, or had bad sex, or had sex with an unattractive man, or had sex with a pudgy paunchy boyfriend that "felt like" rape because she didn't orgasm or because it wasn't all that great or because she got kind of dry during the sex, and women who say they "feel like" they were raped.
/r/AllPillDebate26/10/23 05:24 PM
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Are you actually saying that some male 4 could just stand on a street corner in 1960 and expect women to just come up to him and give him sex? Are you daft? Are you actually saying that some male 3, just existing, just... being himself in 1960, could expect to get sex because he's a man? Are you being serious right now? WTF is wrong with you? Are you feeling OK? I mean, this is like... out there, even for you.
/r/AllPillDebate26/10/23 05:20 PM
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No, a few women get raped. Less than 1%. Most women have sex they wanted but then later decided they didn't really want, or had "regret sex", or had sex while kind of intoxicated, or had bad sex, or had sex with an unattractive man, or had sex with a pudgy paunchy boyfriend that "felt like" rape because she didn't orgasm or because it wasn't all that great or because she got kind of dry during the sex. Women actually say this: Having sex with an unattractive man "feels like" rape. If she "feels …
/r/AllPillDebate26/10/23 05:17 PM
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Sure it is. Those risks are extremely low. I thought women had "women's intuition" about "creeps" and "incels" that prevented such bad behavior. Can't you women "just tell" who the "bad guys" are? ALmost all the time, well over 90% of the time, sex is safe and is of at least adequate quality. As for the rest of it, i call bullshit. I don't believe for one goddamn second that most women don't get pleasure out of PIV sex. Bull shit. Even if they don't orgasm from it, they still like it. If PIV sex…
/r/AllPillDebate26/10/23 05:10 PM
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This idea that a man is some animal who can’t be trusted and would sleep with any women That's not what I said. Try again. This time without the virtue signaling.
/r/AllPillDebate26/10/23 05:04 PM
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OK then. Your statement up there applies to you, personally. Not "women". It's an extreme extreme outlier position. What I stated was correct, generally, What you stated applies solely and only to you.
/r/AllPillDebate26/10/23 05:01 PM
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You're the exception to the rule, then. So, as a general rule, then, women DO value sex.
/r/AllPillDebate26/10/23 04:57 PM
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When will people understand that women demanding all our resources for a sexless relationship means nothing? A lot of us want sex. Not women telling us how much we've "won" when we get a used up banged out whore offering up a sexless "relationship" in exchange for unfettered exclusive access to all our resources. Yeah, but sex isn't nothing, particularly when you can get it from men you're sexually attracted to. If it's "nothing", why do you engage in it? If it's so meaningless, why do you engag…
/r/AllPillDebate26/10/23 04:52 PM
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Yeah, in 1960 an average or below average guy could not get sex anytime he wanted just because he was a man. Get real, man.
/r/AllPillDebate26/10/23 04:43 PM
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Um, OK?
/r/AllPillDebate26/10/23 04:41 PM
1

Platonically attractive is an oxymoron. I don't even know what that means. It can't possibly have ANY meaning in the English language.
/r/AllPillDebate26/10/23 04:34 PM
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Yes. Attractive men of all races do very well. The issue is attractive vs. unattractive; not "white vs. all other races". If you're an attractive black man, you'll do way, way, WAY better than an unattractive white man.
/r/AllPillDebate26/10/23 04:23 PM
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Can't look at it. There was a video a few years ago where women were asked something like "do you think most of your male friends would sleep with you?" Most of them said "yes".
/r/AllPillDebate26/10/23 04:20 PM
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This isn't really a useful exercise. A better exercise is to see what women will fuck you without making you either (1) pay them; or (2) give them a relationship and complete unfettered exclusive access to all of your resources. Women, not men, decide your sexual attractiveness. You don't even get to decide your own sexual attractiveness. Women determine that for you. The easiest way to measure that is to determine what women will fuck you immediately, no strings attached. And then you'll have y…
/r/AllPillDebate26/10/23 04:18 PM
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It's tragic as well that women actually begrudge men even wanting this kind of attraction and devotion from a woman. I mean, to women, it's offensive that men even want this. What's offensive and disgusting to me is that most men will never even see even 1/2 this much affection or devotion from ANYONE - not even from their immediate families of origin.
/r/AllPillDebate26/10/23 04:12 PM
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Yep. But for now, he's happy. Hopefully in today's day and age he'll realize this is about as good as it gets for men. Most men never get to experience a woman feeling this way about them; or talking publicly this way about them.
/r/AllPillDebate26/10/23 03:56 PM
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yes. She should literally worship the ground he walks on. She is less attractive than he is. And they're both happy.
/r/AllPillDebate26/10/23 03:55 PM
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Good night
/r/AllPillDebate26/10/23 03:31 PM
1

You can't handle the truth. You prefer the pretty lie to the ugly truth.
/r/AllPillDebate26/10/23 03:30 PM
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You're lying now. You can't face the truth. I am arguing back. You can't handle the truth.
/r/AllPillDebate26/10/23 03:29 PM
1

I didn't say you'd like it. All I offered you was the truth.
/r/AllPillDebate26/10/23 03:28 PM
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Nope You're lying now. You lack courage to face the truth.
/r/AllPillDebate26/10/23 03:27 PM
2

They wanted to sleep with unattractive(fat+bad acne) ones too that is what I didn't understand. A woman can be "fat" and still be attractive enough. She can have bad acne and still be attractive enough. "Unattractive" is still "attractive enough" if he's thirsty enough. You'll drink nasty untreated water if you're thirsty enough. You'll eat spoiled rotten food that will sicken you if you're hungry enough. It'll make you sick... but if you need it badly enough, you'll take it. Your friends had co…
/r/AllPillDebate26/10/23 03:16 PM
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No. this is how it actually works; you're calling it "sociopathic" because this is the first time you've ever actually seen it described in words and because your little brain is exploding trying to process truth What people "struggle with" in social interaction is suppressing their true feelings and desires so as to preserve the pretty lies and thin overlaying social veneer that predominates all human interactions. The world is full of men who would fuck well over half the women they see every …
/r/AllPillDebate26/10/23 03:10 PM
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I see. "I don't like this" = "hate", in your eyes. "The truth makes me mad" = "hate".
/r/AllPillDebate26/10/23 03:09 PM
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Most of my male friends want to sleep with their female friends no matter how attractive or not attractive they are.I never understood it tbh . Why don't you understand? Your friends are men. Their female friends are women. Most men are attracted to most women. A woman doesn't have to be very attractive to be "attractive enough". All she needs to be is "attractive enough". I know women don't like this; but it's the truth - the bar for female attractiveness, for "sufficiently attractive", is EXTR…
/r/AllPillDebate26/10/23 03:08 PM
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All my male friends have been married for years and have kids. They're also older than I am, so it's more "younger sister - older brother" relationships. Doesn't matter. 90% + of them would fuck you given the chance. Or they want to fuck you. Or are sexually attracted to you. As we're all married, your proposal isn't something that I'd risk experimenting with. OK. Doesn't mean they all don't want to fuck you. Try this: Go to your male friends and ask them if they find you sexually appealing/attr…
/r/AllPillDebate26/10/23 03:04 PM
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Yes, mostly male friends. My female "friends" are married to my male friends; or they're work acquaintance who aren't really "friends". It's not "controversial"; it's just that women and men view this differently. I don't think you have male "friends". You have a lot of male orbiters and probably one or two men who are "using" you. Most of your male "friends" are men who would fuck you if they had the chance. Go to your male friends and offer no strings attached sex to them. Sex that no one woul…
/r/AllPillDebate26/10/23 02:55 PM
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This isn't sociopathic - this is how men and women view relationships.
/r/AllPillDebate26/10/23 02:53 PM
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No, it's not "hate", it's "observing and reporting the truth". A more correct term might be "prejudice", but that term has taken on too much negative connotation. I prefer "uniformity and predictability" with both men and women. It's perfectly ok to generalize about women when so much of their behavior is predictable. This isn't complex. When you learn the basics about sexual dynamics, both male and female behavior become very predictable and most men and women respond and react the exact same w…
/r/AllPillDebate26/10/23 02:50 PM
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Yeah. But if a woman wants a kid and can't have one because of infertility or never found the right man, she takes this very hard. There are few causes of female misery and grinding unhappiness more severe than female infertility preventing her from being able to carry a child to term and give live birth. Women who end up in this position are absolutely horribly unhappy and miserable. Women have a burning desire to give birth and get married (not necessarily in that order) like men have to get s…
/r/AllPillDebate26/10/23 02:33 PM
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Women now view having a kid as a female rite of passage. It's a merit badge to earn; a box to check off. Sex? check Marriage? check had a kid? Check It's not done out of love or family or relationship or union with a man. It's an "achievement" for women now.
/r/AllPillDebate26/10/23 01:45 PM
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idiot. First, there are no such things as men having female "friends". Second, if she's not attracted to you, she won't let you go down on her. Third, her cooch is probably nasty. Never, never, NEVER give a woman more than you get back. I would never go down on a woman who didn't suck my cock. I don't get oral; she doesn't get oral. I absolutely will not do anything that a woman in my life will not also do. If I do it, she goddamn well better do it also. If she will not, I will not.
/r/AllPillDebate26/10/23 01:43 PM
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Depends on what you mean by "I can make it". If "I can make it" means "I can have a happy life without women", then yes, he has a chance. But he will have a life without women. If "I can make it" means "I'll get a woman someday, I just have to do all this work and wait", then no. And he will still have a life without women. The key is whether our intrepid Indian Janitors actually, really, truly, accept that they will never have women. If they can accept that truth and internalize it, they might …
/r/AllPillDebate26/10/23 01:40 PM
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No, moron, it's "I'm like everyone else and am extremely attracted to extremely attractive women. But I'm also extremely attracted to above average women, average women, and even some below average women, and would be perfectly happy in a relationship with one of these women. I know I can't get an extremely attractive women, so I will settle, and be happy with who I settle with." Nuance, boyo. Nuance.
/r/AllPillDebate26/10/23 01:36 PM
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No.
/r/AllPillDebate26/10/23 01:32 PM
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No. Straight men are not homosexual.
/r/AllPillDebate26/10/23 01:32 PM
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1) Female power. Unfairness to men. In current society, women get everything handed to them for free while men get nothing even after breaking their asses. Women get a pass for everything; men are blamed for everything. 2) Inability and unwillingness to see and accept the truth: Looks are paramount. Sexual and life success or failure are genetically predetermined. If you're not sexually successful, it's because of your physical appearance and not personality or any other factors.
/r/AllPillDebate26/10/23 01:31 PM
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Men have never been able to get sex simply for being men.
/r/AllPillDebate26/10/23 01:27 PM
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We live in a society where men Are able to be married to a woman, (modern invention). This benefits men. No. Marriage benefits women and children. The only real "benefit" men are supposed to get from marriage is sex, and modern laws and social customs have eviscerated that "benefit". Blackpill is the truth about modern relationships: Looks are paramount and matter more than anything else. Your life outcomes were determined when you were conceived. An individual's genetics are outcome determinati…
/r/AllPillDebate26/10/23 01:18 PM
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No. He's talking about women's behavior. That's not hate. But we get it - you hate men.
/r/AllPillDebate26/10/23 01:09 PM
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No, that's not why they accuse men of being unable to get laid if they say anything about women. They accuse men of not being able to get laid because they know that's a great way to hit men where it hurts.
/r/AllPillDebate26/10/23 01:09 PM
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Abortions are mostly legal here. If you're not in the US, the Constitution doesn't apply to you. I guess your country prefers a policy of butchery and murder....
/r/AllPillDebate25/10/23 08:54 PM
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She's the one who doesn't understand how abortion policy or constitutional law work.
/r/AllPillDebate25/10/23 08:52 PM
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The majority of any state can decide abortion is acceptable and permit it. Or regulate it. Or outlaw it. Majority rules. Minority rights. And the majority gets to decide what your rights are consistent with the Constitution. And according to SCOTUS, no one has a federal constitutional "right" to an abortion. No one is preventing you from getting your precious abortions. If your state doesn't allow them, go to a state that does. If you don't like your state's abortion policy, you can move to anot…
/r/AllPillDebate25/10/23 08:46 PM
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No She's not entitled to anything from me. No one is entitled to anything. So say all the women right here on this subreddit and on PPD.
/r/AllPillDebate25/10/23 08:40 PM
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Some of these RSOs probably are Chads. Women will take sexually attractive men, backgrounds notwithstanding. They can be criminals, rapists, p3doph!l3s, and lowlifes. Doesn't matter. As long as they're sexually attractive, it's fine. But average guys with no rap sheets and who've never even had so much as a parking ticket? Ewww gross. Ewww nasty. Ewww I don't want those guys. They're not hawt. They're not fun. THey're not attractive. Women would rather fuck a hawt sexually attractive pervert tha…
/r/AllPillDebate25/10/23 08:36 PM
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Not true. Most women do choose to have children; they just have fewer children on average.
/r/AllPillDebate25/10/23 08:16 PM
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You are like most women: Attractive enough to get sex and short term relationships with a series of Chads; but not attractive enough (or relationship-minded enough) to get commitment from Chad. You're not relationship minded enough to get a relationship with a "high value" man who meets your standards. If you were attractive enough or had the proper mindset, high value men would have recognized you as such and taken you off the market years ago. High value women get recognized and wifed up. All …
/r/AllPillDebate25/10/23 06:53 PM
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If you were as great as you claim to be, if your personal statistics and characteristics really were as "high value" as you claim they are, you would have been snapped up a long time ago by a man of even higher value. If you really brought as much to "the table" as you claim to, if you really do meet all these standards, a man who exceeded your standards and who was better than you in every conceivable metric would already have recognized your "value" and would already have offered you whatever …
/r/AllPillDebate25/10/23 06:45 PM
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I don't think they care, as long as they're not having a beta's babies. Most of these women will be Chad's or Tyrone's baby mamas.
/r/AllPillDebate25/10/23 06:26 PM
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If people are going to bitch, I'd like it if they at least knew what they're bitching about and direct their bitching to the proper targets. I'm not pro life or pro choice when it comes to this. I'm pro-truth and anti-idiocy.
/r/AllPillDebate25/10/23 06:25 PM
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I'm going to copy the "update" post because I want to fisk it. I'm definitely no where near sober and haven't been for he last 2 days - i'm in some serious, SERIOUS, pain right now. I decided to have a really open, honest discussion with her about the situation. Unfortunately, I was the only one committed to that honesty. She was first evasive and just tried to shut down the discussion, and when I made it clear that this wasn't going away, she decided to lie. She tried to make it seem like I had…
/r/AllPillDebate25/10/23 03:56 PM
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The majority of men have been beta bucks providers for all of human history and most men aren't depressed, let alone suicidal. They were OK with being beta providers because our society raised up and respected beta providers, gave them rights and privileges, and made it next to impossible for their unattracted wives to leave them and steal everything. That changed around 70 years ago. Today, beta providers are shafted, used, and exploited for money. Half of them end up divorce raped. Another 30%…
/r/AllPillDebate25/10/23 03:43 PM
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No, I said it's better to be alone and pay hookers than to be a beta bucks provider.
/r/AllPillDebate25/10/23 03:37 PM
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No. What you described is not better. There's no way any man should accept having to do most of the work for a relationship in exchange for a cunt who resents him. Fuck that bullshit. Better to be alone and pay hookers.
/r/AllPillDebate25/10/23 03:34 PM
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Look at the pain in his eyes. Look at how dominant she is over him - sitting in front of him. Literally holding him in place, so he can't escape. She's literally holding him hostage.
/r/AllPillDebate25/10/23 03:32 PM
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Note, though, that this includes what women want FOR RELATIONSHIPS because it has an annual income factor. If we were talking here about men who women want to fuck/find sexually attractive, the stats would be --N --height --race --penis length/girth --BMI/body fat percentage --facial aesthetics/symmetry ratings --Norwood score
/r/AllPillDebate25/10/23 03:28 PM
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Putting in my stats, I'm a top 3% man
/r/AllPillDebate25/10/23 03:19 PM
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RIghto. How many times have you had a vasectomy?
/r/AllPillDebate25/10/23 03:15 PM
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No, it's not a fact. You're just wrong.
/r/AllPillDebate25/10/23 03:11 PM
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Not that simple. Abortion policy affects everyone. Please stop talking about things you don't understand.
/r/AllPillDebate25/10/23 03:06 PM
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it's better than nothing. No. It's not better than nothing. It's way, way worse than nothing. You've accurately described his "option", but it's no option at all. He has to do a shitton of work, break his ass at a job, advance at his job, do all kinds of self improvement, and do 90% of the work for the relationship, and all he gets is a below average woman who resents his very existence. No. I truly hope your response was satire.
/r/AllPillDebate25/10/23 03:04 PM
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Yes, all women are pretty uniform in the kinds of men they like to fuck. Yes, women are uniform in what they find sexually attractive (and we're talking here about sexually attractive, i.e. attractive for sex. That's the only kind of "attraction" that matters.) I didn't put him down. I told him the truth. No, you don't need to be a supermodel. You do need to be physically and sexually attractive, though, and he is not. I didn't say he was "doomed". I do, however, believe in telling people the tr…
/r/AllPillDebate25/10/23 02:58 PM
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Wife: "I cheated on my husband, so to make myself feel better about my own immorality, I told him to cheat too. Because two wrongs make it right! I cheated without his permission; but the only way he can "cheat" is if I allow him to. This way, he can't ever hold this over my head again. I cheated, he 'cheats', so that makes us even." Husband: "It's my fault she cheated. So the answer wasn't to cheat back; the answer is for me to flagellate myself and take her back." Bullshit. The way you deal wi…
/r/AllPillDebate25/10/23 02:52 PM
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The physician has to get ironclad fully informed consent. Some physicians have been sued even though they got that consent - sued because "the doctor should have told me I couldn't get it reversed and now i can't have kids waaaah it's everyone else's fault"
/r/AllPillDebate25/10/23 02:46 PM
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A couple of reasons. 1) Women often change their minds. They especially change their minds about kids. Women in their 20s are notoriously immature and unsettled in their lives. Women get baby rabies as they approach 30. 2) Tubal ligations are more or less irreversible, so once it's done, it's done. You can't change your mind about it.
/r/AllPillDebate25/10/23 02:39 PM
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Yep. Better answer than mine.
/r/AllPillDebate25/10/23 02:33 PM
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No, the only thing SCOTUS has "against abortion" is what abortion has to do with the Constitution. SCOTUS' decisions in Dobbs had nothing to do with the bible or morality. Religion has nothing to do with this; but religious people have the right to influence the policy of the governments that make laws affecting them. Deal with it.
/r/AllPillDebate25/10/23 02:32 PM
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Forget about women. Forget about sex and marriage. You need to fix the mental issues. Get perspective. Women and sex are a complete waste of time for you. Get therapy to help with that. Get a male therapist (not a female, never, ever a woman therapist). Make that male therapist diagnose you and get on a physical exercise regimen. Work on your own mental health. Work on your fear of driving. Work on getting a job. You need to work on yourself before you think about women or anything having to do …
/r/AllPillDebate25/10/23 02:24 PM
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You're a woman. OP is a man. You will have infinitely greater options than he does. You can get sex and relationships any time you want, merely for existing. Everything for you is easier. The entire world has been reengineered and rebuilt to accommodate your every want and need. OP has had a much harder time because he's male and has the problems in that OP and his post history. He can tell himself he's attractive all he wants, but the fact of the matter is that the opposite sex decides who's at…
/r/AllPillDebate25/10/23 02:18 PM
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SCOTUS did not criminalize anything. A couple of states did. Almost everywhere, abortion is still legal. Please get it straight.
/r/AllPillDebate25/10/23 02:07 PM
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And if a state outlawed it, that's that state. That state can outlaw abortion if they want. You don't get to decide what that state "should" and "shouldn't" do. THAT STATE does. If you don't like it, go somewhere else.
/r/AllPillDebate25/10/23 02:04 PM
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They're not simple and they're not easily reversed. vasectomies are excruciatingly painful. Reversal surgeries are effective only if not too many years passed since the vasectomy.
/r/AllPillDebate25/10/23 02:01 PM
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they criminalized abortions Shut the fuck up. You don't know what you're talking about. SCOTUS overruled Roe v. Wade. That decision fucking DID NOT criminalize anything. That decision did nothing other than turn abortion policy over to the states. Abortions are legal in all but about 2 states. If your state regulates abortion more than you'd like, go to another state and get your abortion there. There is no way anyone will be prosecuted for leaving an abortion-illegal state and going to an abort…
/r/AllPillDebate25/10/23 01:59 PM
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Don't care. Young men can't get vasectomies because most physicians won't perform them on young unmarried childless men. Physicians will not perform vasectomies on married men without wife's consent; but will perform sterilization procedures and abortions on married women without husband's consent or even notification, because "my body my choice". Yeah. "My body my choice" for thee, but not for me. So, yeah. You want to talk about "unfair"? Let's. By all means, let's talk about what's "unfair".
/r/AllPillDebate25/10/23 01:23 PM
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Women have preferences and standards. Men have prejudices and biases; and engage in "discrimination". Women's conduct is "fair". Men's conduct is "unfair" and "entitled". When women refuse virgins and men with "experience" they don't like, women are just stating preferences. When men merely ask about a woman's N, he is shamed, he's put on blast on social media, police are called, he's threatened and harassed. Women hate this because in women's view, men aren't allowed to judge women. Women can j…
/r/AllPillDebate25/10/23 01:19 PM
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If you feel you can never be happy without water, then you aren't ready to live. If you feel you can never be happy without oxygen, then you aren't ready to live. If you feel you can never be happy without at least 1500 calories a day, then you aren't ready to live.
/r/AllPillDebate25/10/23 01:10 PM
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You're a woman. You're one of the people with literally unlimited access to relationships and sex.
/r/AllPillDebate25/10/23 01:09 PM
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What do you think causes bluepilled MEN to exist --parental malpractice. --Women hamsterwheeling and rationalizing. Women giving men dating advice like "just be nice, just be yourself and someday someone will love you just for who you are!" and "life is so complex, women can't be reduced to a set of rules or principles" and "just take a shower" and "your personality sucks, you need to improve your personality" and "if you're failing with women it's because you're not nice enough. You need to be …
/r/AllPillDebate25/10/23 01:05 PM
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It's funny that the people who make these arguments have literally unlimited access to relationships and sex.
/r/AllPillDebate24/10/23 10:21 PM
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What do you bring to the table?
/r/AllPillDebate24/10/23 08:35 PM
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Uh huh. Sure. How long have you been married? How many relationships have you made work? If you're so great, why are you still single? If you're so great, why can't you make any of your relationships work? If your "commitment, stability, love, affection, care, and more" are so great, why haven't you been able to find a man who recognizes that and is willing to do what it takes to get with you?
/r/AllPillDebate24/10/23 08:23 PM
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I also note that you did NOT say the boyfriend gets sex. So... does the boyfriend get sex? If he does, why didn't you say that? Could it be because sex with a boyfriend is an afterthought and not really all that important to you?
/r/AllPillDebate24/10/23 07:40 PM
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Who doesn't want it? Women? Or men? The reason no one will actually say this is because women know that if this gets to be accepted knowledge, all but the least attractive men will retreat into hookers, weed, porn, and video games. (Which is kind of what's happening now. The least attractive men are already there...) Women know that if this gets to be widely known, there won't be any beta bux guys for them to use, exploit, or fleece for money and resources.
/r/AllPillDebate24/10/23 07:28 PM
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The number one problem/dilemma women have in this sexual and marriage marketplace: Women are attractive enough to get sex from Chad; but none of them are attractive enough to get commitment from Chad. Getting commitment from Chad is like winning the lottery: Everyone's heard of someone out there who has won; but no one you know has won and no women you've ever actually met have won. But this is the market we have now, because women wanted it this way. Under the old market, everyone could get a d…
/r/AllPillDebate24/10/23 07:26 PM
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No.
/r/AllPillDebate24/10/23 07:19 PM
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The problem is not with women's disattraction to unattractive men. The problem is with women lying about it. The problem is not lack of attraction. The problem is with women's dishonesty, fraud, deceit, and manipulation. If women would just say "Chad gets to fuck immediately because he's hot; but you're less attractive so you have to give me a relationship, pay, and wait, and maybe I'll fuck later", there's no problem. Then, men can decide whether that's a deal they're interested in, or not.
/r/AllPillDebate24/10/23 07:14 PM
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Yes. I hadn't though of it that way until just now, but yes. Every ugly girl, every fat girl, every weird girl, every socially awkward girl - they all got married. Most had kids.
/r/AllPillDebate24/10/23 05:11 PM
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She wasn't a femcel. She was just a socially awkward black girl. She could have gotten male attention anytime she wanted. It's just that she ignored or didn't even notice guys who were interested in her and/or didn't like her options. There is no such thing as a femcel. Are there exceptions? Sure. I knew one. She had congenital physical deformities and mental disabilities. She lacked even the mental ability to understand how to relate to a man sexually. But she was one out of hundreds, even a th…
/r/AllPillDebate24/10/23 03:46 PM
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Bullshit shaming. How long have you been married? How many relationships have you made work? If you're so great, why are you still single? If you're so great, why can't you make any of your relationships work? If your "commitment, stability, love, affection, care, and more" are so great, why haven't you been able to find a man who recognizes that and is willing to do what it takes to get with you?
/r/AllPillDebate24/10/23 03:26 PM
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Save the bullshit shaming. You can think that if you want - I've been married over 25 years. How long have you been married? How many relationships have you made work? If you're so great, why are you still single? If you're so great, why can't you make any of your relationships work? If your "commitment, stability, love, affection, care, and more" are so great, why haven't you been able to find a man who recognizes that and is willing to do what it takes to get with you? at least you admit to yo…
/r/AllPillDebate24/10/23 03:21 PM
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Most men learn this through trial and error, and through good relationships with fathers, older brothers, and male friends. There are groups of men who don't pick this up because of parental malpractice, or growing up as sons of single mothers, or because of social isolation, or from listening to what women say about relationships and internalizing it. There needs to be some systematic instruction on this for some young men. They need to learn it as part of socialization growing up, or they need…
/r/AllPillDebate24/10/23 03:12 PM
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You're just going to keep repeating your points and ignoring mine. I'm not going to try to engage someone who's not going to listen. You know how society dehumanizes incels. I explained it; and this entire subreddit is about that.
/r/AllPillDebate24/10/23 03:01 PM
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What do you bring to the table? What does Hookup get? What does "boyfriend/future divorce rape victim" get?
/r/AllPillDebate24/10/23 02:56 PM
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No, it's that incels DO get experience with women. They get experience getting rejected, nuke rejected, and publicly blown out of the water hundreds of times. They learn they're unattractive. It's kind of rich for you to complain about incels allegedly failing to "humanize" others when all of society dehoomanizes incels. men's lack of experience of communicating with people in real life - both men and women. False. These men work hard at it and try, but get frozen out of the discussions for one …
/r/AllPillDebate24/10/23 02:47 PM
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So, I'm talking to a 19 year old girl? No wonder.... You're just admitting that women are completely unable to empathize. Women lack even a fundamental ability even to consider that someone else might have a different perspective than her own - even when it's with men she claims to want for relationships. It's not even "everyone's going to be unhappy because men need sex". It's "I follow this dual mating strategy because it's what I want and I don't give a shit what men want or need. I need to g…
/r/AllPillDebate24/10/23 02:37 PM
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Probably third: We continue but no serious relationship. Plus, I won't eat her out. If I don't get oral, she doesn't get oral. I will not take on any burdens that she will not also shoulder.
/r/AllPillDebate24/10/23 02:16 PM
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OK. You seem to think that women not understanding what they're doing, women's lack of self awareness, somehow makes it "better" or removes women's culpability. It doesn't. They're still lying. They're still manipulating and defrauding. The problem for women is that there are fewer and fewer simps and cucks for them. They're complaining about it and their complaints are getting louder and louder.
/r/AllPillDebate24/10/23 02:14 PM
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Women "speak their truth" on subreddits dedicated to discussing and learning about intersexual dynamics. Sure. In the real world, in real time, where it counts, women lie through their teeth. Men are, and have always been, upfront and honest about what they want and what they're about. They want sex, as soon as possible, with as little time and monetary investment as possible. They will do whatever it takes to get it. If they have to get educated and employed, they'll do it. If they have to lear…
/r/AllPillDebate24/10/23 01:50 PM
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I don't know if it's a majority. It's a sizable minority, probably around 25 to 30%. Most men get a little bit of sex, sometimes, even if they have to get into a relationship to do it. But I agree the percentage of incels is growing apace. This will have very serious consequences for the economy and social order going forward.
/r/AllPillDebate24/10/23 01:36 PM
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Yes, mostly. This, like everything else, is changing slowly. Most women grudgingly settle for a beta provider who makes decent money and who could potentially "retire" her so she can be a housewife and mommy. Once she gets her kids and the last one is in kindergarten, she divorce rapes him, takes the house and kids, and he moves to an apartment and never sees his kids again while she bangs new men in the house he bought for her. IMO, average men are better off never marrying.
/r/AllPillDebate24/10/23 01:33 PM
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Yes. If a woman was known as a slut or "loose woman" in those days. she didn't get to court. She wasn't allowed to. Or, she could court only the lowest value men or old widowers.
/r/AllPillDebate24/10/23 01:22 PM
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Dropkick her. She's not sexually attracted to you. If she won't suck your cock, that's a tell tale sign of disattraction.
/r/AllPillDebate24/10/23 01:17 PM
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What do you bring to the table? If you’re not having a hookup you have to prove yourself in some way. Bullshit. It's a hell of a lot easier for a man to "prove himself" for a relationship than for a hookup.
/r/AllPillDebate24/10/23 01:15 PM
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I didn't say that's all I wanted. That's you making shit up.
/r/AllPillDebate23/10/23 07:08 PM
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Dude, stay away from women who are into horses. They're even crazier than the average woman.
/r/AllPillDebate23/10/23 05:20 PM
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No, you could not just "take" a woman. That's horseshit.
/r/AllPillDebate23/10/23 05:16 PM
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For men, love is sex, and sex is love. A woman who truly loves you will fuck you. If she won't fuck you, she certainly doesn't love you.
/r/AllPillDebate23/10/23 05:08 PM
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I'm not just talking about women I know personally, though among women I have known personally, it's AT LEAST 90%. You don't know anything about me. You demand that I take what you say at face value; then question me and call me a liar when I talk about my personal experience. Fuck off.
/r/AllPillDebate23/10/23 05:07 PM
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Then I guess we mean the "royal" "you". This is something that 90%+ of women today do. This is something I have seen at least 90%+ of women I know do over the course of my life. It's very simple. It's --hot guys get to fuck for free, immediately, while --all other men have to jump through 1000 hoops including provisioning, taking her out for free meals and dates, being "nice", showing "chivalry", etc. The only women demanding "chivalry" are the ones who are tired of getting pumped and dumped for…
/r/AllPillDebate23/10/23 05:01 PM
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JFC. "Courtship" in the western world was not fathers selling their daughters. It was supervised preapproved "dating" to see if they want to marry. Women are the ones who decide who gets sex and dates, when, where, and under what circumstances. Women drive this whole thing now. Women have stranglehold control over this now, mostly because they wanted it this way and the current social order gives it to women. So, yes, it is women's fault. And their responsibility.
/r/AllPillDebate23/10/23 04:57 PM
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It just depends on if people are ready to buy for your price. No, it depends on whether you're worth the "price" you set. The market, not you, decides that. It depends on whether your "value" (which I decide) lines up with your "price". That's my call, not yours.
/r/AllPillDebate23/10/23 04:52 PM
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OK. I already answered your questions. Evidently this is something you don't even know anything about.
/r/AllPillDebate23/10/23 04:48 PM
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I see. You're taking this personally. So if you want to virtue signal and tell us you've never had casual sex, OK. You can exclude yourself if you want. Go ahead and virtue signal. It's OK. I'm talking about well over 90% of all women today and over the past 40 or so years. Most women have had casual sex. Most women have fucked men because they were hot. Most women engaged in the AF/BB dual sexual strategy.
/r/AllPillDebate23/10/23 04:43 PM
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a highly supervised event where prospective couples were to interact to see if they were liveable together Yes, that's what courtship was. But that's not what you said before. that’s not the fault of women lol Yes, it is the fault of women. It's their responsibility, and fault, because they're the ones who decide who gets dates and sex.
/r/AllPillDebate23/10/23 04:42 PM
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No. We men determine your value. "Price" and "value" are not the same thing. You set your "price", but I set your "value".
/r/AllPillDebate23/10/23 04:39 PM
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No, that is not what courtship was at all. IF you think "decent" men are the ones getting to date, think again. The men who are doing all the "dating" are some of the worst human beings alive - the only worse people are the women who fuck them
/r/AllPillDebate23/10/23 04:37 PM
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I could hire an escort. That's not the point. We're dealing here with "dating" and "courtship". This is not a hooker; this is a woman is presenting herself to me as if she's interested. So if that's the case, I want something out of the deal. I want sex, now, just like she gave Chad. If she won't give me that, that's her right; but she gets nothing else from me. I have a right to know if this woman is sexually attracted to me. The only way I can know that is that she fucks me in the same amount …
/r/AllPillDebate23/10/23 04:27 PM
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secular people usually engage in "dating" and "getting to know each other". We usually do not call it courtship. Yeah, I know what "courtship" is traditionally. But when you hear women today talking about "courtship", what they mean is what they expect from less attractive men after these women slutted around. The rest of what you wrote is hamsterwheeling and rationalization. Again, if you women would just be honest about what you're doing, there's no problem. Just tell these less attractive men…
/r/AllPillDebate23/10/23 04:21 PM
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You are not the same person as the other men. The circumstances are not the same. People have nuance. Don't fucking care. It's a test for her attraction to me. Most every woman today fucked a guy immediately. That's what I want. If she won't, she's not sexually attracted to me. Then I don't want her. Maybe the last guy she slept with was in a long-term relationship and she doesn't want to sleep with anyone she's not committed to. Don't fucking care. That's her problem, not mine. I want the same …
/r/AllPillDebate23/10/23 04:17 PM
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No. It's "I want sex with you on the same terms all your prior men got to have sex with you. If I can't have that, you're a hypocrite and a liar, and you can fuck off."
/r/AllPillDebate23/10/23 04:05 PM
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Men should just tell women they date/marry: "any child born to you during this marriage will be subjected to a paternity test. If you don't like that, let's end things now." This is bluepill cuck. This is virtue signaling, too. It's also the fact that he genuinely loves the kid he poured his heart and soul into. At least for right now.
/r/AllPillDebate23/10/23 04:01 PM
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It's pretty clear they're talking about "courtship" presently, which is little more than sluts demanding money from beta buxes and making them "audition" for the "role" of "husband" and making them wait for sex after getting their backs blown out by a series of Chads. The main problem with this is the dishonesty and fraud involved. If you'd just tell these guys "you have to wait because you're not hot", there's no problem. But you won't do that because you know if you did, you'd have no takers o…
/r/AllPillDebate23/10/23 02:58 PM
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No. Dowries were not a province of nobility or royalty. Dowries were used among "common" families. In the west, brides got furniture, money, etc. and took it with them to their homes with their husbands. The bottlenecks resulted mostly from women choosing the "best" men to reproduce with. Yes, some of it, not most of it, was from men's dying earlier from various causes. Men having "no respect" for women is relatively new, and is a product of the past 30 years or so of hookup culture and "women's…
/r/AllPillDebate23/10/23 02:41 PM
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Men didn't pay dowries to brides' families. Brides' families paid dowries to the grooms. What was prohibitively expensive at least in western cultures was that men had to be able to show provisioning ability. They had to be able to demonstrate the ability and willingness to take care of a woman and any kids she had. And a lot of men couldn't do that - they didn't have jobs, or a trade, or enough money.
/r/AllPillDebate23/10/23 02:36 PM
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"Guys" didn't invent marriage. Fathers "invented" it to get their daughters married off to men who would take care of them. Men accepted this because it was the only way most of them would ever be able to get sex. No, men could not just "take any woman" they wanted. Rape was against the law. If a man took a woman he had to be able to support and defend her and keep other men away from her. Most men couldn't do that. Marriage was the only legitimate route to sex, so these men mostly wanted to get…
/r/AllPillDebate23/10/23 02:34 PM
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Courtship had 2 purposes: (1) men had to "prove" their "worthiness" for marriage through "kindness" and provisioning ability. (2) so that the man and woman could get to know each other before deciding if they were "right" for each other. It lasted no more than a few months. By the end of 3 to 6 months one or both of them were expected to state whether they were interested in marriage; and if not, they broke it off. It was done under familial permission and supervision. A woman was not allowed to…
/r/AllPillDebate23/10/23 02:23 PM
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IDK. Some married women cheat for the sex... because their husbands are impotent or don't fuck them or they married the guy for his money.
/r/AllPillDebate23/10/23 01:49 PM
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Men don't want love. They want sex. They will give "love" or whatever looks like it, to get sex.
/r/AllPillDebate23/10/23 01:33 PM
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There's no way men can do any of this. Men don't need to "go out and find love". They need to go out and find sex.
/r/AllPillDebate23/10/23 01:32 PM
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Not even a debate. Die alone, hands down.
/r/AllPillDebate23/10/23 01:17 PM
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Then the only way to hold women accountable is to go for immediate sex, and if she balks, pass. Either you give me immediate sex at first meeting or we are done. That's it. That's all there is to it. This is actually a good way to go about it. The only women who really want you are the ones who give it up at first meeting anyway.
/r/AllPillDebate23/10/23 01:14 PM
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A woman's N is a proxy for other things, other problems that ruin LTRs. 1) She will always compare you to her prior men. Women tend to have better men when younger, and the quality and caliber of men available to her decreases as she ages. 2) High N = damage. The higher the N, the more baggage she brings. High N women tend to have mental and emotional problems. Doesn't matter what the cause is; the point is that high N in women corresponds to mental and emotional problems. Lots of high N women a…
/r/AllPillDebate23/10/23 01:04 PM
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Why did you even offer to buy her groceries? Single moms get nothing from me. Not a damn thing.
/r/AllPillDebate23/10/23 12:53 PM
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That's ridiculous. Hillary Clinton is the most powerful woman in the world. She has billions of dollars at her disposal. She has the entire Democrat Party at her disposal. She can say to Joe Biden and anyone in the Democrat Party "jump" and they say "how high, Ma'am?" She has been a Senator and an Ambassador. Those things are not nothing. She can pick up the phone and call Joe Biden or Kamala Harris and they take her calls. She can call Barack Hussein Obama and Big Mike, and they take her calls.…
/r/AllPillDebate20/10/23 08:56 PM
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No I don't get sick of it. If you're going to post at reddit, you have to live with your post history, or you have to delete it every so often. People bring their biases and prejudices. I have no problem with it, really. It's one of the easiest ways to get to the truth of something.
/r/AllPillDebate20/10/23 08:49 PM
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Effective immediately all new threads on looks or how looks are related to attractiveness will not be allowed. This is similar to the moratorium on N count threads. A weekly thread will be set up to relegate looks discussion to. New N count threads remain banned as well, the weekly topic will alternate back and forth between N count and looks for now. Incel and black pill content will still be monitored and banned within the weekly thread. LALALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU!!!! Looks are irrelevant! N …
/r/AllPillDebate20/10/23 08:46 PM
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I don't have any future partners, at least not at this point. I've been with one woman for over 28 years. I know more about reciprocity, risk, and baggage than you've ever seen or ever will see. I've carried more risk on my back than you could possibly know. That's how I am able to speak and write with such authority on these topics - I know more about them than you will ever know. Maybe you should keep that in mind, moderator of r/virgin.
/r/AllPillDebate20/10/23 08:33 PM
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So, you'd have me offer something for nothing in return? You can call that whatever you want, and cast aspersions on me however you want (falsely, I would add), but only a fool offers up something for nothing. I always do love how the shaming language comes out: "You're just a bitter loser who can't get laid!" Sure. OK. That's rich, coming from a moderator of r/virgin.
/r/AllPillDebate20/10/23 08:27 PM
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r/girlsmirin
/r/AllPillDebate20/10/23 07:53 PM
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No, I don't hate women. But I suppose by your metric I do. In your mind, accurately describing women's conduct is "hating women".
/r/AllPillDebate20/10/23 07:31 PM
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They find relationships. I wouldn't say most of them are truly happy or that they are getting the sex they want and need. And you can't either - with respect to their relationships, you see only what they choose to allow you to see. You see a carefully cultivated picture. You don't see anywhere close to everything.
/r/AllPillDebate20/10/23 07:23 PM
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if you believe that, you're not paying attention.
/r/AllPillDebate20/10/23 07:22 PM
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you didn't catch me in anything. You think this is a real "gotcha" but it's not. Try again, "it's all about "love"."
/r/AllPillDebate20/10/23 06:59 PM
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Did you just fucking read what I wrote?
/r/AllPillDebate20/10/23 06:45 PM
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You're too late - they're already mainstream.
/r/AllPillDebate20/10/23 06:43 PM
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It already is known, at least the main precepts are. Consequences we're already seeing - more and more men dropping out and demotivated to do anything. Dating, sex, and long term relationships are just not options for average men now. They've been completely destroyed.
/r/AllPillDebate20/10/23 06:43 PM
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I didn't say it's murder. But it is racism and it is eugenics.
/r/AllPillDebate20/10/23 06:40 PM
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Most heterosexual men, including incels, have male friends. And they do put themselves out there; or used to. Many have given up from repeated rejection and inability to get any interest from any women.
/r/AllPillDebate20/10/23 06:33 PM
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They're selecting men for sexual attractiveness and for reproduction, and using racial and sexual characteristics to do so. That's the very definition of racism and eugenics. It's fine that women do this. There's no law against it. But it is racist and it is eugenics, in every true sense of the word. Men do this too... men have racial preferences in dating. Some men aren't attracted to white women. Some aren't atracted to black women. Some don't like East indian women. Racial preferences and dis…
/r/AllPillDebate20/10/23 06:25 PM
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So, you mean, "friends"? Have male friends? They can and many do. And they are fulfilling, but not in the same way a sexual relationship is. Those relationships are different in character from a sexual relationship with women. Heterosexual men don't have sex with their male friends.
/r/AllPillDebate20/10/23 06:21 PM
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Because these men are not homosexual. They're not attracted to men. They're attracted to women.
/r/AllPillDebate20/10/23 06:12 PM
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Yes. But they're still sexually attracted; and for us men, that's all that matters. We men can settle quite a ways and still be satisfied.
/r/AllPillDebate20/10/23 06:10 PM
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and personal choices are the very definition of eugenics. Women are incredibly racist and eugenicist when it comes to selecting men.
/r/AllPillDebate20/10/23 06:09 PM
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Have you tried thinking for yourself? Is society actively holding a gun to your head to follow this? Nonsequitur. Ah the old an eye for an eye. Fair is fair. If I don't get anything, there's nothing to miss out on. If I'm not being offered anything, I'm not missing out on anything. Why should I give you something when you give me nothing in return? A lot of this is pure assumption and comparing yourself. No, it's me saying "I get to have what your prior men got to have. If you don't want to give…
/r/AllPillDebate20/10/23 06:08 PM
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But they're still sexually attracted to those women. I stand by what I said - men never settle for women they don't want to fuck.
/r/AllPillDebate20/10/23 06:03 PM
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Men and women are different. No, I don't see women I'm not attracted to as "less than human". Women do see men they're not attracted to as "less than human". Women treat men this way because they can and because society encourages it. You are an extreme outlier, assuming what you say is true (and I don't believe you).
/r/AllPillDebate20/10/23 06:02 PM
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Yes they are When women aren't attracted to a particular man, they regard him as "less than human". Women do this because that makes it easier for them to reject and disregard unattractive men. In her mind, he's bad and "evil" and "not human".
/r/AllPillDebate20/10/23 05:42 PM
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This has nothing to do with "insecurity". It has nothing to do with who is DMing who or what a woman's past is or was. It has to do with "what do I get in exchange for all this chivalrous conduct women are demanding and that society demands I display?" Today, if a man is going to be "chivalrous", he should get something in return for it. If he gets nothing, he should give nothing. No one's entitled to anything anymore. Well if incels aren't entitled to anything; then no one else is either. The i…
/r/AllPillDebate20/10/23 05:19 PM
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The point is, you're wrong
/r/AllPillDebate20/10/23 05:10 PM
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I'm married. I agree with OP 100%
/r/AllPillDebate20/10/23 04:41 PM
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No woman gets chivalry from me. If you're not related to me, banging me, or paying me, you get exactly jack shit from me. I am not even going to hold a door open for you. I'll let it close in your face. You're a strongindependentwoman. Open your own goddamn door.
/r/AllPillDebate20/10/23 04:39 PM
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Generally true. A woman will take a literal river of shit from Chad before finally cutting him loose. Most women will reach a limit, even with Chad. If you're a nonChad beta bux on down, YOU are taking HER river of shit.
/r/AllPillDebate20/10/23 04:35 PM
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Props to everyone here. Great comment thread.
/r/AllPillDebate20/10/23 04:31 PM
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Yes. The average black woman is 5'4" and 187 pounds.
/r/AllPillDebate20/10/23 04:29 PM
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Of course there are exceptions. As a general rule, yes, this happens. Most men are simultaneously chasing a lot of women. It doesn't have to be 15 and it doesn't have to be "all men". Come on. Don't be autistic about this.
/r/AllPillDebate20/10/23 04:27 PM
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The problem with PPD is not so much the content, but in how it's moderated. The mods there rule with an iron fist, but rule especially hard against men. And they are inconsistent. Women get away with all manner of insult, offense, and incivility; but men are not permitted any leeway at all. u/ Mrs_drgree is the head mod and she is the least fair, least consistent moderator I've ever seen. Here is a perfect example of what I mean.
/r/AllPillDebate20/10/23 03:54 PM
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90 Day Fiance Sex tourism How Stella Got Her Groove Back
/r/AllPillDebate20/10/23 03:49 PM
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Yes, this. Women reading here have not come anywhere close to the "misogyny" that Chads express about them. Chads do not respect their women AT ALL, not even a little bit. Women are little more than lubricated holes to Chads. Chad expends less mental and emotional energy on women than he expends on choosing which shirt to wear or which bar to go to in the evenings. Chads are "lovable douchebags" who spend almost no effort on women, because they simply don't have to. If you want to see Chads in a…
/r/AllPillDebate20/10/23 03:42 PM
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Incels and Chads are misogynistic, when we consider the way woman use the term. To Women, a "misogynist" is --telling the truth about women --observing objectively and clearly what women do, and objectively reporting on it --pointing out facts about women --observing women's dual mating strategy of AF/BB --pointing out women's fraud, deceit, lies, manipulation, and hypocrisy In other words, just telling the truth about women is "misogyny". So, yes, we're all "misogynists" according to women.
/r/AllPillDebate20/10/23 03:31 PM
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No, you don't even have to pursue her. You just have to approach her. She should pursue you. If she is interested she will make her interest clearly and plainly known. If a woman is not doing that, she's not sexually attracted to you and not interested, and you should move on.
/r/AllPillDebate20/10/23 03:25 PM
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The inability to empathize with men is women's problem. Women cannot fathom even a fundamental understanding of men's life experience.
/r/AllPillDebate20/10/23 03:19 PM
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K
/r/AllPillDebate20/10/23 03:02 PM
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Well, yes. That's pretty much exactly how it goes - if she's sexually attracted. I've been there. I've seen it. I've seen what it looks like when a woman really truly wants to fuck a man. Has it happened to me often on a regular basis? No. But it has happened; and that's pretty much exactly what it looks like.
/r/AllPillDebate20/10/23 02:47 PM
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Right. You're not entitled to anything either. If men are not entitled to anything from women, then women are not entitled to anything from men. If husbands are not entitled to anything from wives; then wives are not entitled to anything from husbands. Wives are not entitled to financial support, or resources, or time, or money, or attention, or sexual fidelity.
/r/AllPillDebate20/10/23 02:46 PM
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Chad in a low income household You can always make money. If normies and incels can make money, Chad can do so as well. If normies and incels can bootstrap it, Chad can as well, and can do so more easily. Chad lives life on easy mode no matter what resources he has.
/r/AllPillDebate20/10/23 02:44 PM
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1) The most sexually attractive men 2) By having sex with him with little effort on his part 3) Because you have sexual options with minimal to no effort 4) What about it? Most men are or can be beta providers. That means they get a little bit of sex, sometimes, but they must expend herculean amounts of time and effort to get it; they are often refused and deprived of sex by women who promised it to them or are in relationships with them; they MUST offer full commitment and relationships to have…
/r/AllPillDebate20/10/23 02:31 PM
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Exceptions can happen. There are always exceptions to every rule. But they're not the general rule so we don't talk about them and we do not live our lives based on them. We cannot base our lives on exceptions. We cannot base how we interact with the world, or women, or anything else, on the happenstance that an exception might present itself or herself. We have to presume that everything and everyone is governed by the general rule.
/r/AllPillDebate20/10/23 02:26 PM
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No. Men don't end up with women they're not attracted to. Men never accept women they're not attracted to. Never. They stay single or they use porn.
/r/AllPillDebate20/10/23 02:23 PM
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No. Orbiter just means any man showing interest in you. It doesn't necessarily imply any intent or manipulation on the woman's part, though it often does involve female manipulation, deceit, and fraud.
/r/AllPillDebate20/10/23 12:11 PM
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This may be difficult for you to understand but access to water doesn’t mean as much as you thirsty people think it does. There’s so much more to life than drinking water. This may be difficult for you to understand but access to air doens't mean as much as you oxygen starved people think it does. There's so much more to life than breathing. This may be difficult for you to understand but access to food doesn't mean as much as you starving people think it does. There's so much more to life than …
/r/AllPillDebate20/10/23 12:09 PM
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Yeah. And?
/r/AllPillDebate20/10/23 12:07 PM
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Truth is truth, and we must all have the courage to face it
/r/AllPillDebate20/10/23 12:00 PM
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I haven't watched the entire video, but --this woman is insane to describe herself as a 3/10. She is not. She's not "below average" which is what a 3/10 would be. --this woman is right to point out that men have it worse than women and that she was lucky to be born female, when it comes to dating, mating, sex, and love. --i suspect this woman has the same problem as most other women: can't get commitment from the men she wants; doesn't want anything from the men she can get. Has options but does…
/r/AllPillDebate19/10/23 08:00 PM
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Heh. If men en masse decided that feminism was over today, it would be over today. If all men, from the most powerful to the most powerless, decided as a bloc that feminism would be over, it would be over by close of business today. The only reason feminism exists is because powerful men decided that. There are only two reasons powerful men LARP along with the feminism/female power charade: (1) because women threatened "give us what we want, or NO SEX FOR YOU" and (2) women got the vote and thre…
/r/AllPillDebate19/10/23 07:00 PM
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Because... almost all of them were patriarchies. Because every society that devolved into matriarchy failed spectacularly.
/r/AllPillDebate19/10/23 06:48 PM
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There have always been incels. When I was growing up the incel was --Crazy Uncle Paul who lives in his sister's attic and is always watching "da game" on his 12" black and white portable TV --the kinda weird custodian who works at the Catholic church --the neighborhood dude who wasn't quite right in the head from that mild case of encephalitis he had as an infant --the guy who lives with his mom 2 streets over and works at the chemical plant They were incels. We just didn't call them that. We no…
/r/AllPillDebate19/10/23 03:37 PM
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Nobody thinks that. It's "hot guy gets pussy and treats people bad because he can" and "ugly man gets no pussy and treats people well because he has to in order to get by".
/r/AllPillDebate19/10/23 01:05 PM
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as a general rule You must be an exception.
/r/AllPillDebate19/10/23 11:50 AM
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depends on how physically attractive she is. Most non-black men will get involved with a black woman only if she is very physically attractive.
/r/AllPillDebate18/10/23 08:27 PM
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I think that finding a woman to start a family with is going to be very difficult, if not impossible. There might be some 30+ year old women of great character, but... the vast majority of them will have already had children by other men or will have a hard time getting pregnant. Just hard facts. And I would strongly discourage you from getting seriously involved with a single or divorced mom. Even a widowed mom with kids would be very, very inadvisable. No, it's best that you didn't get her pre…
/r/AllPillDebate18/10/23 08:21 PM
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--excessive debt and no real good way to pay it off --no time for relationships --prioritizing "career" or "job" over relationships --excessively inflating your value over men, causing otherwise suitable men to become "unsuitable" or unattractive --competing with men for scarce jobs, causing otherwise suitable men to become "unsuitable" or unattractive --pricing yourselves out of the markets for suitable, attractive men --exacerbating the typical female dilemma of "can't get the men you want; do…
/r/AllPillDebate18/10/23 08:09 PM
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I think that for you, finding willing sex partners will be better. You'll likely find some women willing to have some fun with you. Some women you can kick it with for a few months, until one or both of you get bored or too hassled. What won't necessarily be better is finding someone who's relationship material. But if i were you i wouldnt worry about that. If I were in your shoes I'd date around and never remarry.
/r/AllPillDebate18/10/23 08:02 PM
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These "women have it tougher than men" and "incels don't have it so bad" claims need to die. They're just wrong. Men have it tougher and harder than women by every conceivable metric. Incels have it tougher than pretty much everyone. There can be no debate at all about this - incels have the toughest, hardest lives of anyone on planet earth. And men have it harder than women. Just beyond debate.
/r/AllPillDebate18/10/23 07:52 PM
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Agreed; I just didn't mention that because the OP was talking about physical attributes. But, yeah - most black women are insufferable to be around, even when you get to know them.
/r/AllPillDebate18/10/23 07:50 PM
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Women are keenly fine tuned into those social cues.
/r/AllPillDebate18/10/23 07:39 PM
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And no, it's not "socially acceptable" to mock black women. It wasn't about mockery. It was about evaluating the physical appearance of black women. Rating a woman is NOT mockery. It's perfectly OK for men to not be attracted to the vast majority of black women, when said black women present with unattractive and unappealing, unfeminine physical attributes.
/r/AllPillDebate18/10/23 07:38 PM
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Weird. Odd. Well, not even really "weird". Just that something's off about him. Women consider that any man who's made it to 27 without getting his cherry popped is... weird. He doesn't have friends, or he's antisocial, or neurodivergent. Women have a sixth sense about men like this. They can sniff out these guys a mile away.
/r/AllPillDebate18/10/23 07:33 PM
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In general --obesity (most black women are overweight or obese) --robust masculine appearing facial features: broad nose, prominent maxilla/mandible, large teeth, broadly set eyes --short hair/hair texture --vocal timbre/cadence In general, large numbers of black women have physical appearances which prsent to the male eye and psyche as less feminine and more masculine. And this isn't body shaming. It's a description of physical attributes that many men find physically unappealing. It's OK that …
/r/AllPillDebate18/10/23 07:16 PM
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As a general rule. black women are considered the least physically attractive of all women. It has nothing to do with body shaming or white women's alleged "social power and clout". It has everything to do with the fact that black women in general have the fewest physical attributes men find attractive or appealing.
/r/AllPillDebate18/10/23 07:09 PM
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If a woman has made it to 30 with no man asking her for marriage and not reproducing, something went very, very wrong somewhere. Most of the time, she's done plenty of "dating" (i.e. fucking men in relationships of varying duration and intensity), but none of them wanted to invest in her or they were shit guys. Almost all the time, what happened was one or more of the following --mental illness --emotional instability/disorder --shitty relationship with parents --substance abuse problem --turbos…
/r/AllPillDebate18/10/23 06:44 PM
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If you do "date" a single mom or divorced mom, you would have to put rules around it. Nothing serious, and you never meet their children. Children have a calming, sobering effect on women. They make women take life more seriously and keep women's minds and emotions occupied. A woman with kids has more incentive to keep her negative emotions in check. The problem with dating women with kids is that they're always time poor and cash poor and they're on the make to lock down a provider. They have n…
/r/AllPillDebate18/10/23 06:27 PM
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Yeah, agreed that that's bullshit. This whole "but men are mean to us and threaten us if we reject them" bullshit needs to die. It's utter bullshit.
/r/AllPillDebate18/10/23 04:51 PM
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I see that you're still active on here but not answering my questions. Coward. I will no longer respond to any posts you make until you answer my questions.
/r/AllPillDebate18/10/23 04:26 PM
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No it's not redpill. That's cringe AF. He's socially inept. She's a bitch for recording the interaction and then putting it on social media. Also, don't ever believe a girl like this who says she doesn't have an IG. Of fucking course she has an IG. Just about every woman under 40 has an IG. Every woman under 30 is posting photos of herself to her IG account. This whole thing is cringey AF on both sides. She's bitchy for recording this and putting him on blast. Women: This is why men don't approa…
/r/AllPillDebate18/10/23 04:25 PM
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You answer my questions. I answered yours. Now you answer mine. Have you ever been married? Have you ever taken vows to another person? Do vows, promises, or any such things mean anything to you?
/r/AllPillDebate18/10/23 04:05 PM
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A few things I know that you'll notice about your dating situation. --sex comes easier. The women who agree to date you will most likely offer up something sexually by the second or third date. --there are a lot of good looking women well into their 30s. --there are a ton of divorced moms and single moms - women with kids still living at home. And it's a bitch and a half to schedule around them. They are incredibly time-poor - they have like next to no time to date. That's because they shouldn't…
/r/AllPillDebate18/10/23 04:02 PM
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Do you think sex is a way to communicate value? Definitely. Does not having sex affect your health? Yes. It affects all men's health. Why are you afraid of being exploited after a month? If I stopped supporting a wife financially for a month, she'd file for divorce so fucking fast it'd make everyone's head spin. Spouses make promises to each other and owe each other certain things. One of those things is sex. Have you ever been married? Have you ever taken vows to another person? Do vows, promis…
/r/AllPillDebate18/10/23 03:49 PM
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We let women behave like this because we need their pussies for sex and their bodies for reproduction. And because when we call them out and hold them responsible, they cry and escape responsibility that way. "Dont hit me, I'm a girl!" "I didn't MEAN to!" "but I'm just a wee widdle ol' girl! I'd never do anything like that!"
/r/AllPillDebate18/10/23 03:08 PM
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That, my friend, is The Light Switch Effect. https://theredarchive.com/dictionary/light-switch+effect When a woman decides to move on, she rewrites history to make the man look like the villain. "I feel bad now. That means my man is bad. I feel like I don't love him now. That must mean that I never really did love him, because if I ever did love him, I wouldn't feel like this. So that must mean the relationship was bad, everything was bad, he was always bad, and we never really loved each other.…
/r/AllPillDebate18/10/23 02:51 PM
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Yeah. The main reasons most women leave a relationship are "I'm just not attracted to you (anymore)" "I just don't want to fuck you anymore" "I found a man I like fucking more than I like fucking you" Women will never ever say this. But that's what's going on. The main reason women stay in such relationships, though, are "I don't like fucking you and am not attracted to you. However, we have kids and I need your money, so I'm staying. I'm not fucking anyone else because I know that if I did and …
/r/AllPillDebate18/10/23 02:44 PM
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Another thing is that women are going to be attracted to men other than the ones they're in relationships with. It can't be avoided. It's natural. Men and women naturally get attracted to other people they see and interact with. The problem is that women can much, MUCH more easily act on that attraction than men can. So if your woman is out there in the world enough, eventually she is going to run into another man with whom mutual attraction develops. She has to be of exceptionally sterling char…
/r/AllPillDebate18/10/23 02:26 PM
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No, nasty and depraved shit isn't actual literal scat or watersports. It's not even porn, either. It's BDSM, rough anal, ATM, gagging BJs, extreme domination, and the like. The stuff in the kink community which predates the internet and is mostly outside what's depicted in porn. Most women won't even give any kind of BJ to their beta bux husbands. For some reason when women lose attraction or get into a relationship with a beta, oral sex is the first thing to go. Any man here wants to know if hi…
/r/AllPillDebate18/10/23 01:57 PM
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Here's the thing about women and cheating: All women have the opportunity to cheat. If you're in a long term relationship with a woman, she has had at least a couple of clear cut, explicit opportunities to cheat on you frankly and clearly placed before her. Most married women have been frankly propositioned by men other than their husbands. And by "cheat", I mean "any activity or relationship with another man which, if you knew about it, you'd object to, stop, and/or end the relationship over". …
/r/AllPillDebate18/10/23 01:55 PM
2

The only people who shamed Chad for fucking slumpbusters were the women he fucked and who he wouldn't give relationships to. It's mostly unattractive women who shamed Chads, and then only because he wouldn't wife them up. Shamed him for "dogging them out" and "using" them (never mind the women he fucked absolutely loved him using them sexually).
/r/AllPillDebate18/10/23 01:40 PM
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If they're in a relationship and not fucking me, then they don't value me as a person, my autonomy, my health, their relationship, or their reputation. They're using and exploiting me, and that's not gonna fly.
/r/AllPillDebate18/10/23 01:38 PM
3

What, did you get banned at PPD or something? Did Mrs Drgree finally start applying the rules uniformly? If you don't want more incels, you don't fix this by giving women all the social and sexual power. We've been doing that for the last 70 years or so, and women have royally fucked everything up. Giving women even more power will just keep fucking everything up. The way you fix this is by reining in and constraining women. The way you fix this is with hard monogamy and hard slut shaming. Elimi…
/r/AllPillDebate18/10/23 01:33 PM
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Nah, I have no problem with women being educated. What I have a problem with: --women demanding to be educated on the taxpayers (men's) dime. --women demanding to borrow money and then have their loans "forgiven", again on the taxpayers (men's) dime. --women wasting the money they borrow on bullshit "degrees" like communications, women's studies, ethnic studies, and the like. Women, if you're going to get "educations", at least get educated in something that's useful to society and makes you som…
/r/AllPillDebate18/10/23 01:15 PM
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I think it's around 40%. Most recent surveys say it's around 25%. That's about the same percentage as men. Keep in mind - the surveys are of people who admit to this. I have to believe the figure is quite a bit higher. Yeah, this is women who have EVER cheated in a marriage. That's what I think the 40% figure is. If we are going to talk about women who have EVER cheated in any kind of relationship, that figure will be near 100%. Hell, most men have cheated on a relationship. I have, long before …
/r/AllPillDebate18/10/23 01:07 PM
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There seems to be a lot of appeal in it, because that's what women are doing. Pin cushions/sexual toilets for Chad. Women will allow Chads to do the nastiest, most disgusting, most sexually depraved acts to them, and they literally lick it up and run back begging for more. They absolutely love the nasty shit Chads do to them. They absolutely love casual sex, nasty sex, any kind of sex, with Chad.
/r/AllPillDebate18/10/23 01:05 PM
2

Read more carefully.
/r/AllPillDebate18/10/23 12:00 PM
2

Of all the women I've known in my 53 years of life, I've known exactly two who didn't need a man's money. Both of those women were childless and one was divorced from her husband (from whom she got a nice property settlement. If you want any kind of domestic life, you need a man's money. If you want a kid, you need men's money. A few women can become millionaires through social media or investing. A few. Most women can't and don't. Women who do Lonely Fans make about $50 a month - enough to cove…
/r/AllPillDebate17/10/23 10:54 PM
2

They're not. But they'd become more common if men aren't marrying and women need money.
/r/AllPillDebate17/10/23 10:28 PM
3

For women, sex is like water: it's free for the asking, all she has to do is ask a man to give her some and it will be given her; it's abundant; it's everywhere; it's 99% safe; and it's of at least adequate quality.
/r/AllPillDebate17/10/23 10:14 PM
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Men can't be sluts; like women can't be incels. Men are praised for sexual promiscuity. Women are not. It's not possible for women to be unable to get sex. Many, many men are unable to get sex. A woman can get always get laid anytime she wants.
/r/AllPillDebate17/10/23 09:51 PM
3

No. The minute she fails to fuck you, the relationship is over. No counseling. No therapy. None of that bullshit. She fails to do her job, the marriage is over.
/r/AllPillDebate17/10/23 09:01 PM
4

Yes, actually you can mandate that someone in a relationship have sex with you; or they get no relationship. No sex, no relationship. Fuck this counseling bullshit.
/r/AllPillDebate17/10/23 08:59 PM
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No marriage. Otherwise, that's OK.
/r/AllPillDebate17/10/23 08:59 PM
5

there is no such thing as a male slut.
/r/AllPillDebate17/10/23 08:43 PM
2

Sure it does. Women will be their sugar babies for a time.
/r/AllPillDebate17/10/23 08:43 PM
3

Yes
/r/AllPillDebate17/10/23 08:42 PM
7

Truth: It gets easier for men in their 30s because they get more comfortable doing without, or going long stretches without. They get set in their ways and get comfortable with who they are even if that includes no women. I think it's some combination of all three (women getting more desperate; some improvement; and money/status). Women still look fine at 30; but it's the bio-clock telling them they need to get at least one kid popped out. Women also crave the status that marriage gives them. Th…
/r/AllPillDebate17/10/23 08:42 PM
1

Most women still want kids.
/r/AllPillDebate17/10/23 08:28 PM
1

Hahaha Women will marry when they need to, and most of them need to if they want children. And most of them want children. If women don't need marriage, why are most of them still getting married? Don't give me this "love" bullshit. The very article you cited points out that women are hurting financially precisely because they're waiting to marry. Women need men's money; and this article proves it.
/r/AllPillDebate17/10/23 08:23 PM
1

Women have never owed men sex, ever. Wives owe their husbands sex. But "Women" do not owe and never have owed "men" sex. And I've never asserted otherwise.
/r/AllPillDebate17/10/23 07:49 PM
3

THe only thing that really matters is your physical appearance. So let's find some photos of you. But then again, I won't know if they really are you, so this is really just an exercise in futility and some attempt at a "gotcha". Nice try, though. Everyone's anonymous on Reddit. All women at APD are virtue signalers married to ugly guys. All women at PPD are married to superhuman demigods carved from granite by Zeus himself.
/r/AllPillDebate17/10/23 06:49 PM
3

Sure. Most "OK" guys don't post on pill sites, or even on Reddit. But you keep telling yourself that, if it makes you feel better.
/r/AllPillDebate17/10/23 06:38 PM
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Sure. Most men lose out in the biology department. I'm nothing special in that regard. Neither are you. You're earning every one of your downvotes.
/r/AllPillDebate17/10/23 06:30 PM
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No. It's simple biology.
/r/AllPillDebate17/10/23 06:21 PM
3

I don't need to convince you. And I don't need to be convinced of anything. Things are as they are. They are as I described them. It's not a matter of conviction; it's a matter of simply observing and reporting on the facts. Facts simply are. They simply exist, independent of what you or I think or feel about them. You need courage to face the truth.
/r/AllPillDebate17/10/23 06:12 PM
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financial security. Status. Wanted to get married. "Time to get married" and he was the guy she was dating at the time. He was the best she could do. Women need marriage like men need sex. Women want the validation and the security.
/r/AllPillDebate17/10/23 06:11 PM
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No, it's not "I know better", it's "I know because I've seen it and observed it". I go where the facts lead me, not where I want them to lead me.
/r/AllPillDebate17/10/23 04:49 PM
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I might not know how they live; but I do know how they interact with men, I know what they find attractive, and I know the kinds of men they are sexually attracted to. I also know the kinds of men they marry, which are quite different from the men they're sexually attracted to.
/r/AllPillDebate17/10/23 04:46 PM
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You've never lived life as a man, or as an average man. So I can see how you might not understand any of what's discussed here. You know literally nothing about the life experience of average men.
/r/AllPillDebate17/10/23 04:35 PM
1

Why are you here? Why do you post here?
/r/AllPillDebate17/10/23 04:14 PM
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Attractive women, hands down, no question about it. (Note: "Attractive" means SEXUALLY attractive. It means "fuckable" or "wants to fuck". It does not mean anything else. "Attractive" especially has exactly nothing to do with relationships or how appealing or adaptable someone is to or for a relationship with someone else. Relationships are totally irrelevant when it comes to attraction and attractiveness.) Men decide what's attractive. Most men are attracted to most women. Virtually ALL women c…
/r/AllPillDebate17/10/23 03:19 PM
3

Sure. You'd do them for Chad; but not for any other men.
/r/AllPillDebate17/10/23 03:02 PM
8

Blackpill is controversial because people don't want to confront ugly truths about themselves, others, or the world. If they do, then they have to change. If they change, their lives change. They will have to do without certain things they thought they wanted or needed. They discover people they thought had their best interests at heart were in fact lying to them, sometimes intentionally, most times not intentionally. They discover people they thought loved them and cared about them were in fact…
/r/AllPillDebate17/10/23 02:34 PM
1

Yeah, I promise you that you will soon find yourself in a situation with a very, very attractive man who's pushing all your buttons and making your pussy gush. You will have to decide what you'll do. So I strongly suggest that you start thinking about it.
/r/AllPillDebate17/10/23 02:23 PM
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I'm so sick of people saying "but women are still helpless and powerless because women don't hold every single seat of political power, so shut up men". It isn't just political power. It's social power and economic power. But, yes, women hold a great deal of political power. Women hold political office at almost every level and operate behind the scenes as kingmakers, queenmakers, movers and shakers, and moneychangers. Yes, we live in a matriarchy now. Women have a stranglehold on social, sexual…
/r/AllPillDebate17/10/23 01:42 PM
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And that's just political power. Women have a literal stranglehold on all social power in the West. Social power is where female power finds its greatest and truest expression. Women's ability to manipulate behind the scenes is unrivaled. Men's hard power is no match for the subtle machinations of feminine wiles. Because pussy makes men stupid.
/r/AllPillDebate17/10/23 01:40 PM
1

There hasn't been a patriarchy in the West for at least 3 generations
/r/AllPillDebate17/10/23 01:38 PM
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Yep. Whenever a woman describes you with words like kind, nice, smart, intelligent, conscientious, relationship material, you're a beta bucks at best. Disengage. Especially when she does this to your face. She needs to be ripping your clothes off and begging you to feed your cock to her, or she's not into you at all.
/r/AllPillDebate17/10/23 01:33 PM
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Interesting. How old are you? Have you considered what you'll do when you're in the heat of the moment? Because that will happen, and you will be put in that position. Decide ahead of time how you'll address it when it happens.
/r/AllPillDebate17/10/23 01:30 PM
2

Yes. So the way you deal with this is you 1) demand sex ASAP 2) deny relationships to women.
/r/AllPillDebate17/10/23 01:28 PM
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all she has to do is peep "I feel unsafe" and immediately, white knights will leap to M'Lady's defense; and within 5 minutes, large men in dark uniforms and carrying guns will arrive to stomp the shit out of whatever is bothering her.
/r/AllPillDebate17/10/23 01:14 PM
1

Interesting turn of phrase there. So if you’re not looking for a relationship, and you get lustful, will you let him hit it?
/r/AllPillDebate17/10/23 12:14 PM
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Then move on. If you won’t give it up in the same time as prior men then you’re not attracted and it won’t work.
/r/AllPillDebate17/10/23 02:22 AM
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I don't know what this means. You have sex as soon as you both are sexually attracted and want to have sex. You should have sex no later than the time period in which she had sex the soonest after meeting. So if she fucked a chad 2 hours after meeting him, that's when she should fuck you. If she waited to the second date to fuck, then she should fuck you by then. If she waited to the third date, then she should fuck you by then. You should not wait any longer than the shortest time she made any …
/r/AllPillDebate16/10/23 09:27 PM
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Wow. Where to start with this one. --she's 3 years older then he is. --married when she was around 30 --she was a cam girl --she lied about being a cam girl --sex life falls off a cliff immediately after the wedding --he supported her financially before they got married --sex life wasn't all that great before they got married --he does all the domestic/house work --all these problems and he married her anyway They have no children. There is no saving or salvaging a relationship like this. When y…
/r/AllPillDebate16/10/23 09:22 PM
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Guys don't put themselves in the friendzone. Women put them there; and then men decide to stay there thinking that if they're "friends" they "have a chance". The way you as a man avoid this is you immediately end things with a woman when it becomes clear she's really not attracted. Takes 3 days to respond to a text? Cut her loose. Gives you terse one word responses? Cut her loose. Resists meeting? Cut her loose. Resists physical contact at first meeting? Cut her loose. Gets mouthy or disrespectf…
/r/AllPillDebate16/10/23 07:18 PM
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Yes. Or you're a decent looking guy with aspergers or autism. "Decent looking" doesn't cut it anymore. If you're an extremely physically attractive man, you could be a rapist, a p3d0ph!l3, or a serial murderer and they'll still be attracted to you. So it's really not about "personality".
/r/AllPillDebate16/10/23 07:06 PM
1

I suppose lowering T could be OK if it is done voluntarily; and if men are willing to put up with other side effects like weight gain, depression, lowered work productivity, poor concentration, and mental/emotional instability. Lowered testosterone severely affects men's ability to enjoy life. second, in my view, men need to do a better job of mastering this aspect of their lives. Mind over matter, if you will - without chemical help.
/r/AllPillDebate16/10/23 07:01 PM
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Yeah. Everything around us was massive cope. I was brought up believing I was "special", smart, intelligent, and that these things were sexually attractive. That girls really really like smart, intelligent, "nice" men. That "success" depends on your intelligence. That I was "great" and could be anything I wanted to be. Truth? Girls don't like smart, intelligent, "nice" men. Girls like interesting, hot, good looking, in-shape, confident, dominant, professionally proficient men. "Success" does not…
/r/AllPillDebate16/10/23 05:33 PM
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Most men can get a little bit of sex, sometimes. Most of the men you know get "a little bit of sex, sometimes". Problem is that "a little bit of sex, sometimes" isn't anywhere close to enough for most men.
/r/AllPillDebate16/10/23 04:55 PM
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STop lying
/r/AllPillDebate16/10/23 04:19 PM
6

Height is predetermined genetically. All this stuff about caffeine stunting your growth and malnutrition affecting height are mostly false. Nutrition will have a minimal effect on your height. Same with psychology. We're finding out more and more that personality and overall demeanor are largely genetic as well. The old "tabula rasa", or "blank slate", belief is being obliterated. The idea that personality and life depend on experiences and nurture, i.e. that it's all about what we and others "w…
/r/AllPillDebate16/10/23 03:45 PM
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It doesn't make me feel better. It's the truth.
/r/AllPillDebate16/10/23 03:27 PM
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I'm not looking to change anything. I merely want to make everyone's lives better in light of the current situation on the ground. I'm blaming women because it's women's fault. Women are the ones driving the current situation and marketplace. The marketplace looks like this because it's what women want. Women agitated for this. Women demanded this. Now they have it. Every market has drawbacks, chief of which for women is you can't get commitment from the men you want. You have to settle if you w…
/r/AllPillDebate16/10/23 03:20 PM
1

I'm glad these men are helping women in engineering work. Women either can't do this work or won't do it. Men doing it ensures the work gets done correctly and properly.
/r/AllPillDebate16/10/23 02:45 PM
3

It's just women lying. Men are not in any way dominating women's lives, unless women want that.
/r/AllPillDebate16/10/23 02:40 PM
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Right. Because Chad will happily fuck a string of compliant 7s than try to wring decent behavior from a 10.
/r/AllPillDebate16/10/23 02:31 PM
3

a pinpoint cite would be helpful on this.
/r/AllPillDebate16/10/23 02:30 PM
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Nah. Just get men to stop trying. There's roughly 103 boys born for every 100 women. There's a slight imbalance that is almost always corrected through early male death - usually from war, disease, famine, violence, and workplace injury. There have been far fewer deaths from war in the last 100 years. There are more men than we know what to do with. That's definitely contributing to the problem. Men cannot compete in this marketplace. Men need to stop trying.
/r/AllPillDebate16/10/23 02:20 PM
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They're attractive enough to get sex from Chad; but not commitment. They'll never get commitment from a Chad. They could have a relationship with an average guy, or a succession of 10 average guys. Every woman who wants a relationship could have one with an average guy by the end of this week. But that's not good enough for the average woman.
/r/AllPillDebate16/10/23 02:19 PM
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IMO the only discussion that needs to be had is telling men to stop trying and telling men how dishonest women are. That's all.
/r/AllPillDebate16/10/23 02:17 PM
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The solution requires us to have the courage to face the truth. Men aren't attractive enough to compete in this market. They need to stop trying. There will be other prices we must pay for this, but in the long run, it will be better for everyone.
/r/AllPillDebate16/10/23 02:14 PM
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It should show us that men are not the problem here. Women are.
/r/AllPillDebate16/10/23 01:26 PM
1

There's no such thing as a femcel.
/r/AllPillDebate16/10/23 01:20 PM
6

STudent council?? Getting on student council was nothing more than a popularity contest when I was in high school. If you weren't popular, you weren't allowed anywhere near student council. Period. End of discussion. If you're not a Chad or a group of girls' gay bestie, you're not a popular guy. So you don't get on student council.
/r/AllPillDebate16/10/23 01:19 PM
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No. Learning to accept the other happens, if you stay together long enough. What you see as "falling in love" is actually a husband and wife just consenting to live together and make it work despite her not really being sexually attracted to him. HE is attracted to HER; but SHE is usually not attracted to HIM.
/r/AllPillDebate16/10/23 01:14 PM
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You can't call yourself a femcel though. There is no such thing as a femcel.
/r/AllPillDebate16/10/23 01:08 PM
7

I can't beleive how autistic you are about this
/r/AllPillDebate13/10/23 08:33 PM
9

No. You're supposed to not lie. You're supposed to not be hypocrites.
/r/AllPillDebate13/10/23 08:19 PM
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Here's the linked post in full: An attractive man who flirts with or "hits" on a consenting woman isn't "getting away" with harassment, he isn't harassing her in the first place! I think a lot of incels are angry that women have standards of appearance for their potential partners, so they make rage comics and posts about how innocent ugly men are unfairly viewed as creepy for the "same" behaviors as attractive men. I also think at least some of them struggle with more sophisticated social skill…
/r/AllPillDebate13/10/23 08:18 PM
1

Tell that to women. They're the ones who don't seem to need both. They're the ones driving sex and relationships right now.
/r/AllPillDebate13/10/23 07:46 PM
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Women don't find personality important in attraction. They find personality important for relationships. Relationships have very little to do with sexual attraction. Women don't them both to coincide.
/r/AllPillDebate13/10/23 07:39 PM
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r/iamverybadass
/r/AllPillDebate13/10/23 06:04 PM
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Sex, like anything else, isn't all that important when you have plenty of it and are assured you can always get it. Water isn't all that important because I have plenty of it and am not worried that I can get it when I want/need it.
/r/AllPillDebate13/10/23 05:50 PM
2

OK, if you think that liking a guy for his money and beta bux characteristics is "attraction", you're a moron.
/r/AllPillDebate13/10/23 05:20 PM
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You've just forfeited the right to demand anything of me, seeing as how you can't tell that women are lying; but you CAN tell incels are lying. That's unadulterated horseshit. GTFOH. You don't get to ask me anything, not after your disingenuousness here.
/r/AllPillDebate13/10/23 04:28 PM
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You refuse to denounce them. Ergo, you accept their position. So be it. So... you can't tell whether these women are lying; but you CAN tell that incels are "lying" merely from words on the internet. OK buddy boyo. Sure. Right.
/r/AllPillDebate13/10/23 04:26 PM
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30% of men have not had any sex in the last year. Most of the men who do claim to have had sex in the last year are including sex with hookers, BJs, handjobs, and titjobs. Most men are not fucking women in their "social circles". Whenever there is a "social circle", all the women are fucking the most attractive one or two men in that circle. The rest of the men are not fucking any of the women in that circle. Most men in social circles are not having sex with any women at all, much less women wh…
/r/AllPillDebate13/10/23 04:21 PM
1

Hasn't happened to me (luckily). Happened to other men. Had to talk to cops about one "accusation" wherein I had to say unequivocally that I did not think any rape happened because I knew them both and I knew the background to what had happened between them. I did get shittalked, a lot, mostly because I wouldn't be the little beta pussyboy they demanded, and because I wouldn't give them the relationships they demanded. I did get kicked out of and ostracized from a lot of friend groups precisely …
/r/AllPillDebate13/10/23 04:16 PM
3

Maybe you need to quit whining. If you don't like this place, keep it moving. No one's making you read or comment here.
/r/AllPillDebate13/10/23 03:57 PM
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No one has any problems here. We're commenting about what's actually going on. The reason why this is happening is because he's a Chad. If he did not look like that, girls would be taking swings at him, other men would kick the shit out of him, he'd be arrested for "sexual assault", and probably sued for damages. Chads are allowed to act like this. NonChads are not. No one has a "problem" with this. We're simply reporting facts.
/r/AllPillDebate13/10/23 03:51 PM
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No one's whining. People are commenting here on what they're seeing and what happens in the real world in real time at real social events. Have courage to face the truth.
/r/AllPillDebate13/10/23 03:47 PM
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No. The reason that women are funning with him like this at the party is because he's a Chad and they all want to hook up with him. He embarrassed them in public. NonChads don't act like this at parties or anywhere else. They're not allowed to.
/r/AllPillDebate13/10/23 03:31 PM
9

Exactly. Any man who didn't look like that would have girls taking swings at him. Any man who didn't look like that would never be allowed to act like that anywhere.
/r/AllPillDebate13/10/23 03:30 PM
7

The first girl didn't look like she was "having fun". She looked seriously pissed off that he clowned her.
/r/AllPillDebate13/10/23 03:29 PM
9

He needs to break up with her.
/r/AllPillDebate13/10/23 03:28 PM
2

No, we never assumed anything. We took what you said at face value. We also presumed that when you went out with us and dated us and married us, you were sexually attracted to us. Stop marrying men you're not sexually attracted to, and we will be fine.
/r/AllPillDebate13/10/23 03:20 PM
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You're the "doctor". You explain it. Mostly it's because of marriage. It's psychological. She now has to fuck this one unattractive guy for the rest of her life. She was able to ratchet it up to fuck the guy to lock him down; but now just can't do it. There is no other reasonable explanation why an otherwise healthy woman who could fuck 10 guys before, suddenly gets visegrip pussy after she marries. It's lack of sexual attraction. The women who complain about this are out and out LYING to their …
/r/AllPillDebate13/10/23 03:19 PM
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No, they weren't SEXUALLY attracted. They like the guy because he's nice. They get along OK. They even liked the sex a little. The problem happens because the real, raw, visceral, hard sexual attraction just isn't there. And they can't stand to let the guy in. That's all it really is.
/r/AllPillDebate13/10/23 03:13 PM
2

It's fine that women aren't attracted to most men. They just need to be honest about it, and admit it.
/r/AllPillDebate13/10/23 03:08 PM
2

The ONLY women who EVER complain of "vaginismus" are women who are married to unattractive men they don't want to fuck. The vaginal muscles tightening up are a physiological response similar to the stomach expelling bad food. They're tightening up to keep an unattractive man's cock out.
/r/AllPillDebate13/10/23 03:08 PM
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Yes. "Vaginismus" is just "i'mnotattractedtohimitis". That's all it is. It clears up when Chad fucks her.
/r/AllPillDebate13/10/23 03:06 PM
1

BULLSHIT. All of a sudden now that she's married to a man she's not sexually attracted to, she suddenly has developed a condition whereby she's totally unable to admit a penis into her vagina? Even after having had sex with 10 prior men with no problems? No. bullshit. Hormonal changes, vaginal wall thinning, premenopause, etc. do not totally incapacitate women from sex. You of all people should know this. The reason the "muscle contractions" are happening is because her body is reacting negative…
/r/AllPillDebate13/10/23 03:02 PM
2

Right. How come she NEVER had this "condition" before with Chad, Brad, Thad, or Tyrone; but now that she's married to Billy Beta, suddenly "can't" have sex? Hmmmmm? I'll wait..... Just reminding you, "doctor", that women can have healthy sex lives well into their 60s.... As long as they're sexually attracted to their partners.
/r/AllPillDebate13/10/23 02:57 PM
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Most men would. You can. Most women in your position probably have. The difference between you and me, is that because of my gender, I'm honest about it. Women lie about this all the time.
/r/AllPillDebate13/10/23 02:56 PM
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Cool story, chick. Your entire post = "women have the right to treat men like shit because of 'abuse' and 'their past'." No. Fuck that bullshit. You do NOT have the right to mistreat someone because of your "background". I don't have to put up with shit from a cat who hates me. If the cat hates me for being in "their" space, the cat can go to the pound. Also, it's not the cat's space, it's my fucking space. I'm the one who pays for it. The only reason the cat lives in my house is because I allow…
/r/AllPillDebate13/10/23 02:42 PM
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Good writeup. I'd just give up and avoid dogs, despite how much I love them.
/r/AllPillDebate13/10/23 02:37 PM
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WTF
/r/AllPillDebate13/10/23 02:35 PM
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Most men who have social circles are not fucking all the women in those circles. They're not fucking even one or two of them. The reason is because the social consequences are harsh and severe for men who misstep or fuck up the relationship. She'll falsely claim rape. She'll shittalk him to everyone else in the group and get him kicked out. I've been in precisely these social situations, several times. I've watched them play out, and I've been the guy who's had sex with some of these women. I've…
/r/AllPillDebate13/10/23 02:32 PM
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Most men in social circles are not having sex in those circles. Maybe 20% of men are. Most men in social circles are "just friends" and "platonic". Most of those men are not having sex at all. Some are. The vast majority are not. Reason: They're not sexually attractive enough. They had sex with one or two of the women and then promptly get ostracized from said circle because they either (1) pumped and dumped; or (2) they failed to give the women the relationship they demanded.
/r/AllPillDebate13/10/23 02:29 PM
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It's impossible for Chad to sexually assault someone. Sexual assault occurs only with "unwelcome" or "unwanted" sexual contact. The only men who are "guilty" of "sexual assault" are nonChads.
/r/AllPillDebate13/10/23 02:25 PM
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yes, there is. You women started it. Congratulations. Men are simply defending themselves.
/r/AllPillDebate13/10/23 02:22 PM
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Yes, that is what gaslighting is. Gaslighting is repeatedly lying to someone even in the face of overwhelming contradictory evidence, done expressly for the purpose of making the target believe he is insane.
/r/AllPillDebate13/10/23 02:17 PM
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But but but MEN DO IT TOO! Only Chad cheats. Most men don't cheat because they can't cheat. You have to be attractive to cheat; and most men aren't attractive enough even to get their own wives to fuck them, much less entice someone else to fuck them.
/r/AllPillDebate13/10/23 02:09 PM
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Yep. Because they're just fine fucking Chad. And this happens because they married men they were never all that sexually attracted to in the first place. Vaginismus is especially bullshit, because it always shows up in an LTR with a guy she admittedly never really wanted to fuck; and because it's always with a woman who never had this problem until she's in that LTR with a beta. She could fuck 10 guys before, no problem; but THIS guy is the one who triggers her visegrip pussy? GTFOH with that bu…
/r/AllPillDebate13/10/23 02:05 PM
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No it doesn't. Sexual attraction is either there or it's not. There is no other kind of "attraction".
/r/AllPillDebate13/10/23 01:55 PM
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For a lot of women it is the deciding factor.
/r/AllPillDebate13/10/23 01:54 PM
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Do you denounce and disagree with those women? Do you admit they are lying? Take a position. Are these women lying or telling the truth? Do you denounce and disagree with them, or not? Know, however, that anything less than total denunciation and disavowment will be forever and irrevocably construed as condonation and embrace of their positions. Make your stand now. Choose this day your position. Speak now because a failure to speak will be construed as acceptance of their position.
/r/AllPillDebate13/10/23 01:51 PM
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Most people don't need to know about all this "pill" stuff until the wives who they never thought would "do that" to them, do that to them. Poopsie who he's known since 3rd grade "would never do that to me!" Yeah, until she cheats on you with Chad 11 years and 2 kids into the marriage because she's "just not happy". Susie Snowflake is great! Yeah, until she turns into a ragecunt who makes your life hell because of her goddamn "post partum depression" (read - lack of sexual attraction for your bo…
/r/AllPillDebate13/10/23 01:34 PM
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Just so you know, here's what "touching grass" is for nonChads.
/r/AllPillDebate13/10/23 01:30 PM
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Yes exactly.
/r/AllPillDebate13/10/23 01:20 PM
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We all want to spread our seed. Most men settle for "buying" one field to fertilize because that's what they can get. Most men just take what they can get. Most men settle and are happy to settle. I know you girls don't like that, but it's the truth - we settle, we take what we can get, and we're happy with it. You women are NEVER happy with ANYTHING you get, and you get everything, for free, all expenses paid. And you're still pissed off and unhappy.
/r/AllPillDebate13/10/23 01:18 PM
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And yet, you still let Chad hit it and you put up with his shitty treatment of you.
/r/AllPillDebate13/10/23 01:14 PM
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Not our problem.
/r/AllPillDebate13/10/23 01:14 PM
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The problem is the lying and gaslighting. You know that. It's been explained to you numerous times.
/r/AllPillDebate13/10/23 01:13 PM
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The amount and kind of sex really isn't the problem. Men have no problem with your pasts, as long as you're honest about it and as long as we get the same treatment everyone else got. If you let Chad hit it after knowing him 2 hours, that's what you must give us. If Chad had to wait to the second date, fine- we'll do that too. But we're not waiting longer than Chad had to wait. The problem is the lying and gaslighting, not the past sex. As long as I get to have what Chad got to have in the same …
/r/AllPillDebate13/10/23 01:12 PM
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Don't really care. The problem is the lying. The problem is the dishonesty and the inconsistent treatment. If you'd just say "chad is hot, so he gets the pussy; while nonChad can be used for resource extraction, so he has to wait", there'd be no problem. Then at least men could decide whether to accept that deal on more or less honest terms. But you women don't do that.
/r/AllPillDebate13/10/23 01:10 PM
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There are better examples than MaryKay LeTourneau. She was a certified mental case.
/r/AllPillDebate13/10/23 12:56 PM
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Yeah. sorry. Welcome to girl logic. "I don't like this guy, he's kind of a prick, but he's hot. I'll fuck him right now. But I really like that guy. He's nice and wants to be my boyfriend. I could see myself with him a long time. He has to wait for sex." That's girls for you.
/r/AllPillDebate13/10/23 12:56 PM
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Thanks, but you can do that if you want. I am permabanned at PPD. The moderators there unfairly and unevenly apply rules to ban no pillers and black pillers and men; while allowing women to get away with Reddit murder.
/r/AllPillDebate13/10/23 12:53 PM
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You lie all the time here
/r/AllPillDebate13/10/23 06:30 AM
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Wrong
/r/AllPillDebate13/10/23 04:25 AM
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The defense rests, your honor.
/r/AllPillDebate13/10/23 04:24 AM
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There is no such thing as a femcel. So the post proceeds from false premises. Second: Because women lie about this. Men don't say women are disgusting for getting pumped and dumped. Men say women are disgusting for lying. Men say women are disgusting for using men they're not attracted to as beta bux/relationship/"husband" material.
/r/AllPillDebate12/10/23 10:13 PM
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This story is exemplary of the current dating market.
/r/AllPillDebate12/10/23 10:12 PM
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So if she's shitty, it's not about his view of rejection. It's about her shittiness. That's all.
/r/AllPillDebate12/10/23 10:10 PM
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Then she shouldn't go out with him. And when he can see she's not interested in him, he should end all interaction with her right then and there.
/r/AllPillDebate12/10/23 10:09 PM
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That's a dick move - do that only if warranted. Most of the time, just toss a bill on the table, say "thanks, but I gotta go" and leave. You do that if she's showing clear signs of disinterest.
/r/AllPillDebate12/10/23 08:59 PM
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he means that when a woman is sexually attracted to you, she won't need to spend time with you to figure out if she likes you. She won't expect you to make a show of your attraction or your beta bux potential or anything else. She'll just hop in bed with you. She won't expect you to take her out. A woman who is sexually attracted to you will make it very, very easy for you. She'll literally throw herself at you. There is no such thing as "letting attraction grow" or "getting attracted to someone…
/r/AllPillDebate12/10/23 08:34 PM
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It's not terrible. It's just ill advised. It's just immaturity and inexperience. You'll get better. You're on a first date. Getting drinks. She's kind of looking around. She wants an appetizer. "Nah, I don't have time for that. I'm not hungry." Now you know she's using you for free food. She's not attracted to you - she's using you. She has you pegged as a beta bux. She's testing you to see if she can manipulate and control you. "Hey, OK, um, thanks for your time. I gotta go." Get up and leave. …
/r/AllPillDebate12/10/23 08:21 PM
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Why are you spending money on a first date? Never ever spend money on a first date. Follow the rule of one on a first date: one drink for her, one for you, no more than one hour (unless it's going very, very well). Or, if no drinks, one hour walking or at a public place of interest (museum, waterfront, whatever). Absolutely no food on a first date. Absolutely no significant amounts of money are spent on a first date. Never under ANY circumstances do you spend a lot of money on a first date. She …
/r/AllPillDebate12/10/23 08:08 PM
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Yeah, I was pretty spot on that she wasn't interested from the beginning. She also didn't seem to remember anything about me from hmthe first date. If she wasn't interested at the first date, a second one won't get her interested. Women are black and white on this: They either are attracted, or they aren't. If they aren't attracted from the get go, they won't be later.
/r/AllPillDebate12/10/23 07:43 PM
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Not necessarily. She was interested, and then she wasn't. It happens. Just know the signs so you can avoid wasting time in the future. When a woman at first shows any distinterest, just end the date as soon as you can and leave. If you can tell a woman isn't interested in you on a first date, don't let there be a second one. It's OK. It happens.
/r/AllPillDebate12/10/23 07:40 PM
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By trying to talk you into interest in dating or marriage
/r/AllPillDebate12/10/23 07:36 PM
1

About 43 years.
/r/AllPillDebate12/10/23 07:26 PM
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In the future. when a woman you're on a date with does something like that, you'll know she's not attracted to you. End the date as soon as you can. Just say something like "thanks for your time, but I need to go" or something like that, get the check, and leave. When a woman does something like this, she's signaling disinterest. No need to stay one minute longer. End the date as soon as you can and leave. EDIT: The minute you see indicators of disinterest, end the date as soon as you can and le…
/r/AllPillDebate12/10/23 07:23 PM
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why date or enter a relationship with someone you don’t like? Women do like their beta bux men. It's just that they don't want to FUCK these men. There are myriads of reasons why women get into relationships with men they like but don't want to fuck: --relationship --she can manipulate and control him --he will stay with her no matter how poorly she treats him --he's "relationship material" --he's "husband material" --he has a good job --stability, predictability, reliability --he is "father mat…
/r/AllPillDebate12/10/23 04:26 PM
1

yeah right If Chad told you to do X, you'd do it.
/r/AllPillDebate12/10/23 03:41 PM
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No. Average men do not have success with women. Average men can, if they're lucky, find one bitch willing to take their money and use and exploit them and leave behind a dessicated husk.
/r/AllPillDebate12/10/23 01:12 PM
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No, actually, you don't have to pay your own way. Women have been sponging off men and government for millennia. Since women can "do it all", they can pick up the slack and do the work and dirty jobs men won't do. No reason for men to do anything if they won't get anything back for it.
/r/AllPillDebate12/10/23 01:04 PM
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Men and women are equally likely to cheat. Women have pulled even with men in recent years. (At least... based on what people admit.)
/r/AllPillDebate12/10/23 12:52 PM
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I'm here to tell the truth. You lack courage to face the truth.
/r/AllPillDebate12/10/23 12:50 PM
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That's a whole lot of words to tell me you lack the courage to face the truth. Touched a nerve, did I? Good to know I totally ruined your day.
/r/AllPillDebate12/10/23 12:50 PM
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"But but but MEN DO IT TOO!!!" Unnecessary for men. Women prefer men who've had sex.
/r/AllPillDebate12/10/23 12:41 PM
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I don't see what would be wrong with this. Women do this all the time to men. Women did this when I was in school. "But she's so NICE!!! You don't want to date her just cuz she FAT/UGLY! You're a fucking ASSHOLE!" Women did this to men all the time when I was in high school. Turnabout's fair play.
/r/AllPillDebate12/10/23 12:40 PM
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Bullshit. Women didn’t get education’s because they didn’t want to. Women don’t go into.STEM because they don’t want to.
/r/AllPillDebate12/10/23 11:39 AM
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Government and women have had over 50 years to start doing the dirty jobs they’ve been saying they can and will do, and that has not happened. Men aren’t doing them. Women aren’t doing them. Someone has to do them. If not men, who?
/r/AllPillDebate12/10/23 11:38 AM
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Bullshit. If casual sex is so shitty, why do you women have so much of it? Answer: Because you love it.
/r/AllPillDebate12/10/23 03:15 AM
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oh. OK. Well, you can't. You have to delete this account and make a new one.
/r/AllPillDebate11/10/23 10:20 PM
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Meh. These men really should give up on dating, sex, and relationships altogether. Moneymaxx and hire hookers.
/r/AllPillDebate11/10/23 10:04 PM
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Not if you're bicurious. Women really don't like bisexual men. Sorry, guy.
/r/AllPillDebate11/10/23 10:02 PM
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No, I made a post about how society lies to and gaslights men and is honest with women. You think this is about me? You're the one who's exercised about this. That means it's about you, innit? Calm down and stop yelling at me.
/r/AllPillDebate11/10/23 09:05 PM
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Calm down, u/anonymous44_44
/r/AllPillDebate11/10/23 08:53 PM
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Troll Lay off that weed, man.
/r/AllPillDebate11/10/23 08:19 PM
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Did you even read this? It's supposed to be "evidence" of how awful men are. "I llllllllllllurrrrrrrrrve this man and I had his baby, but he jacks off to nakey pics of his ex! Men are so BAD! And, oh yeah, I rejected his marriage proposal and nearly broke him. But he's BAD!" Now I see why you lack courage to face the truth.
/r/AllPillDebate11/10/23 08:14 PM
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