nickel4asoul Archive

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1	The patriarchy doesn't exist. Misogyny and misandry do exist. Feminists pretend to be victims to gain power over men. If we're talking all men, then no, not everyone received the same level of privilege. That's where class oppression enters the discussion. Your 3 queen's in over 1000 years of British history does not disprove however that women were excluded from all positions of authority from the church to politics. Just because poor men were excluded as well does not change the gender restriction for people of the same station. Would you argue there's no patriarchy in theocratic states in the middle east? Th…	/r/MensRights	09/04/23 12:05 PM
1	The patriarchy doesn't exist. Misogyny and misandry do exist. Feminists pretend to be victims to gain power over men. Positions of authority being reserved for men wasn't class oppression, but the reason poor men were exploited in harsh environments was. Single women and married women were treated differently in law regarding wealth accumulation until the 60s (bank accounts and credit agreements), with single women legally allowed to be given lower wages until the same period (Washington state was the first to correct this in 1937). But you answer your own question by suggesting restrictions were put into place…	/r/MensRights	09/04/23 11:30 AM
-1	The patriarchy doesn't exist. Misogyny and misandry do exist. Feminists pretend to be victims to gain power over men. When someone can't see how education , the ability to work and accumulating personal wealth plays into the disenfranchised (be they men or women) gaining rights, there's a gap in knowledge a reddit comment can't fill. To claim men of the past were egalitarian just shows a stunning lack of historical awareness for class and race issues alongside gender equality.	/r/MensRights	09/04/23 10:05 AM
1	The patriarchy doesn't exist. Misogyny and misandry do exist. Feminists pretend to be victims to gain power over men. I didn't mention them because I responded to the points already made. Read most of my other comments and you'll see I'm as keenly aware about class oppression as the fact institutions have historically reserved positions of authority for men. This included barring women from physical jobs and married women from accumulating their own wealth, at least until it became economically expedient to let them do so. Breaking down class barriers and workers fighting for their rights is how we introduced m…	/r/MensRights	09/04/23 09:58 AM
-1	The patriarchy doesn't exist. Misogyny and misandry do exist. Feminists pretend to be victims to gain power over men. Are you joking? Im a dude. Ive literally had to deal with multiple non sex working women who tried to pull that on me. This is 100% a female gender thing. I said you outlined the bargaining power of a sex worker, which can then be compared to the bargaining power of any other economic entity. If you're telling me that sex workers had more power than those allowed to hold actual authority, that's a really interesting historical theory I'd like to hear. Straight up not true You're correct - to an …	/r/MensRights	09/04/23 12:36 AM
1	The patriarchy doesn't exist. Misogyny and misandry do exist. Feminists pretend to be victims to gain power over men. What you've outlined is ultimately the more nuanced view that is often ignored. What began as religious and military power, the sources of 'legitimacy' prior to democracy, translated into economic power through culture and orthodoxy. Patriarchy is the label put onto the particular expression of this , because that was a predominant factor within the institutional framework, but class oppression and racial segregation are equal labels that apply to many of the periods we look at. Even now we can …	/r/MensRights	09/04/23 12:10 AM
1	The patriarchy doesn't exist. Misogyny and misandry do exist. Feminists pretend to be victims to gain power over men. I agree that when we talk about the patriarchy a crucial element that gets left out is the class dynamics in terms of not all men benefitting from the system. However, it's equally wrong to dismiss the central points of what people mean by patriarchy because ultimately the institutions involved did enforce the supremacy of men over women. A really good example of what society looked like without 100 years of civil rights progress are the theocracies in the middle east. It's evident not all men h…	/r/MensRights	09/04/23 12:00 AM
-2	The patriarchy doesn't exist. Misogyny and misandry do exist. Feminists pretend to be victims to gain power over men. You've only described the bargaining power of a sex worker and this historical interpretation is about as deep as a puddle. Do some men do stupid things and spend lots of money to get with women? Of course. Do some women use every trick at their disposal to exploit this behaviour? Of course. Just one relevant fact that would deepen your analysis is that up until relatively recently in society (and still not currently everywhere globally), the only way women could own anything or legitimately par…	/r/MensRights	08/04/23 11:34 PM
3	The patriarchy doesn't exist. Misogyny and misandry do exist. Feminists pretend to be victims to gain power over men. That's economics. Women throughout history were a commodity and a liability. A commodity in that they are the only way to produce heirs and children, but a liability to poor families that couldn't handle additional mouths to feed if they became pregnant outside of marriage. The personal wealth of a woman (which was disallowed for most of history) had no bearing on this function. A patriarchy itself does not need to value ALL men, it need only [exclude] women from positions of authority and reser…	/r/MensRights	08/04/23 08:55 PM
1	The patriarchy doesn't exist. Misogyny and misandry do exist. Feminists pretend to be victims to gain power over men. The mistake is assuming there is only a patriarchy. Most of the issues you've described cover class discrimination and that is certainly a powerful force throughout history, particularly when it comes to war (being a soldier was often seen as a way to escape poverty). The intersection of these two however comes when we look at property rights, which weren't equal until after the later 19th century, and accessing credit (crucial for investment and starting a business) which wasn't commonly availa…	/r/MensRights	08/04/23 08:08 PM
-7	The patriarchy doesn't exist. Misogyny and misandry do exist. Feminists pretend to be victims to gain power over men. So Europe is not a patriarchy since there had been many queens. Most powerful British monarchs were women. Until Elizabeth the second, this was only the result of no living male heirs. Elizabeth the first only maintained her crown by not marrying, as a woman (even royalty) could not be held above a man in such a relationship. The history of monarchy in Europe is entwined/enabled by the church, which was (and mostly still) dominated by men and they established the rules. This is false. Women alwa…	/r/MensRights	08/04/23 07:45 PM
0	The patriarchy doesn't exist. Misogyny and misandry do exist. Feminists pretend to be victims to gain power over men. That... is literally is the opposite of what OP is suggesting. A plain reading of what you've said indicates men are the gatekeepers of any power a woman might have and women only have power as long as men permit it. In other words, a patriarchy.	/r/MensRights	08/04/23 07:19 PM
1	‘Lived Experience’ I'm not sure what you're referencing. Legal proceedings still require evidence to achieve conviction, which is why conviction rates are so low, but social consequences are the ones that can happen far more easily. In general, the false accusations amount to the same percentage in every crime, it's just that ones of a sexual nature generate more social reaction. The blindly assuming I'm going to guess references that police will actually investigate a claim that is made, but given my country's (u…	/r/MensRights	11/09/22 07:15 PM
1	‘Lived Experience’ I think that's the crux of what this comes down to - feelings. The effect of a minor assault could amount to less than a traumatic false accusation, just in general I find myself more concerned over one than the other.	/r/MensRights	11/09/22 06:26 PM
0	‘Lived Experience’ As I've elaborated on another comment, the situation you're describing, while obviously possible, is not the universal outcome to false accustations. No more than death or serious injury is the universal outcome to assault. What situation do you know where a false allegation has resulted in someone just flat out being believed and nothing bad happening to them and them never having their entire human character and interactions with significant percentages of people tarnished? I know someone who …	/r/MensRights	11/09/22 05:48 PM
1	‘Lived Experience’ The physical act of rape may last a few minutes if you don't resist, are lucky that's all they do, don't contract an STI and the assaulter doesn't mind leaving a witness. I was fortunately able to fight them off and only sustain mild injuries (though still lost a tooth), despite how drunk I was, and run away to somewhere more public. I went to an all boys school where acting 'gay' was enough to get beaten up but by my mid twenties had managed to overcome the fear of that enough to leave the clos…	/r/MensRights	11/09/22 05:25 PM
1	‘Lived Experience’ I've tried to be nuanced and precise about what I'm describing, but you're assuming the physical harm is temporary. It's just as likely for you to have people that stand by and believe you as it is for the physical harm to be something you easily recover from. But you seem to be putting way more emphasis on the the feelings associated with ostracisation than the lingering effects of being attacked, which can range from anxiety and depression to fll blown PTSD (just like anyone can experience aft…	/r/MensRights	11/09/22 04:24 PM
1	‘Lived Experience’ The danger in the moment is in actuality just as real, the lasting consequences far more dire, and importantly if something did go wrong it's far less likely anyone is going to protect you I agree that someone is likely to protect you but the is danger to men and women in theses situations is different. Reputation damage does occur, but it's also not inevitable. Not only do we have high profile cases of it being mitgated, we can also see how it can be rehabilitated based on truth or support. It'…	/r/MensRights	11/09/22 10:08 AM
-5	‘Lived Experience’ I want to preface this by saying all sexual harassment is wrong. That said, the nature of it is different depending on who you are and what situation you find yourself. I'm gay and have received sexual harrasment, and 'attempted' assault, from both genders. From the woman, my main concern in the moment was not being seen as the aggressor if I reacted too violently and without restraint. From the man, it was literally about not getting raped and hurt. Like I said before, all sexual harrassment is…	/r/MensRights	10/09/22 11:07 PM
2	Boys can be all these things, too The only voices shitting on boys are women (largely) or weaklings under their collective spell. This is a stretch worthy of Mr Fantastic. I spent my teenage years in an all boys school and the better part of my twenties working in pub that attracted mostly men (blue collar, white collar and sports fans). I do agree that there are women who want a stereotypical 'man' over what they discern as immature, but the main ones propogating toxic male attitudes towards both genders are men. I can't disput…	/r/MensRights	10/09/22 10:51 PM