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Yeah the physical being last in his order is bizarre to me. It’s realistically #1 if wealth and status are equal They can’t know your personality unless they talk to you and they’re going to want to talk to the most physically attractive
/r/seduction26/07/26 08:47 PM
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"Bros think going to the gym and struting around in athleisure is somehow going to be attractive." tbf this actually works
/r/seduction21/07/26 02:11 AM
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Attention spans are definitely lower than 10 years ago and dating apps naturally select for more avoidant people the way they're setup with casino slot machine effect: just keep pulling the lever because the next option could be even better than the last. I've noticed the same trait develop in myself over time. It's almost impossible to avoid if you have matches coming in all the time, and we all know women get even more.
/r/seduction21/07/26 02:08 AM
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like most things, some girls will think you're famous and itll boost your value, others will think you just have a ton of girls around because of it and they'll bail generally more status is better but it doesnt apply across the board
/r/seduction21/07/26 02:04 AM
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Interesting clash in this thread between this post and the long time cold approach vets like becomesharp and BurnitdownSR i believe both would disagree with this but i see both sides
/r/seduction07/07/26 10:58 PM
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true lol. never understood the obsession with true crime
/r/seduction07/07/26 12:23 PM
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spot on
/r/seduction07/07/26 02:24 AM
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I think he means going up and saying something like “hey i thought you were cute and wanted to say hi” rather than something indirect like “is it always this busy here?” letting romantic intent be known off the bat rather than pitching sex
/r/seduction07/07/26 02:22 AM
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one of the best posts i’ve read on here lol
/r/seduction07/07/26 01:13 AM
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no matter how many mental gymnastics we play, we know who the top tier girls are though because you don’t see them much there’s no way to undo that recognition. the trick is using it as fuel to be on your A game
/r/seduction07/07/26 01:04 AM
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most girls i know says podcasts are boring or a guy thing lol
/r/seduction07/07/26 01:02 AM
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Good photos for dating apps. can crush from your couch
/r/seduction06/07/26 09:50 PM
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think about the opposite of big strong masculine hands: small dainty feminine hands lol that’s going to be a turn off. Even guys can tell a dude is strong by his hands. Mike Tyson had big ass fists at like age 14
/r/seduction05/07/26 05:00 AM
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yea miami has the biggest concentration of hot women in the US. isn’t even close
/r/seduction05/07/26 04:56 AM
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Probably has a bf. You’d be surprised at how many girls have a bf already and will act single just because he won’t find out and the thrill is fun Just gotta move cold bro. The fact you were thinking you might’ve found your next gf that quickly tells me you need more experience overall because it’ll teach you to naturally tread with caution while enjoying the moment for what it is. Plenty of women will just be fleeting encounters and vanish. Then there’s plenty that will go beyond that and go on…
/r/seduction22/06/26 05:54 PM
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You’re essentially asking if it’s too late to talk to people. I don’t say that in a condescending way, but more of an encouraging way that what you’re wanting to master is a human communication that is viable at any age. I’m sure there’s literally 80 year old men who have approached and got a date from it. Do it
/r/seduction21/06/26 10:07 PM
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an actual field report in 2026 on here 👀 well done
/r/seduction21/06/26 09:59 PM
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Hinge still cooks like crazy, especially in major metro areas Hinge is synonymous with dating for most people because 99% of guys aren’t approaching and women sure as hell aren’t approaching
/r/seduction17/06/26 02:53 PM
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this right here. OP ignore the pussies who say don’t approach at the gym
/r/seduction17/06/26 02:42 PM
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Sounds like a good way to get kicked out of the place if you’re just always hanging out yapping and not paying for anything
/r/seduction17/06/26 02:41 PM
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Hottest girls of any dating app. nothing else is worth the time unless you want unattractive women
/r/seduction09/06/26 06:21 AM
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interesting you feel everyone has ditched apps. My experience has been a bit of the opposite. Two friends of mine who lives in NYC say the culture there is extremely app-focused. Everyone is on there I moved my location to NYC and it was literally raining matches. Way more than other cities it was insane
/r/seduction07/06/26 12:40 AM
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yeah it’s annoying. guys in the dating niche are especially bad at understanding broader points and nuance, which is why they struggle in the first place
/r/seduction07/06/26 12:06 AM
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yeah i never take guys overseas seriously when talking about cold approach entirely different universe than approaching in the US
/r/seduction06/06/26 11:47 PM
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bruh if you’re 20 get active in your social scene through school and friends. it only gets harder after college
/r/seduction06/06/26 10:27 PM
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hinge is good but for in person, social circles are better than cold approach if you want an LTR. highest quality women because they can be vetted cold approach you’re going in blind just like hinge. there’s not better girls magically walking around there’s good women that you can meet via all methods
/r/seduction06/06/26 10:26 PM
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bi girl off hinge or irl will be your best bet in terms of actually being attractive and open to it the other routes are gonna have a lot of busted chicks
/r/seduction06/06/26 10:18 PM
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Bad boy, tall af, in the spotlight all the time on a legendary team back then
/r/seduction06/06/26 10:17 PM
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sex recession doesn’t mean anything. the data is more of a reflection of guys not knowing what to do i can show you multiple guys i know with rotations right now. women are still women, biology is still biology you should be absolutely crushing in NYC. it’s one of the easiest dating markets so that tells me your profile and messaging aren’t good, which is fine because it’s a learned skill. once you dial those things in you’ll see everyone else is in a sex recession besides you i teach online stu…
/r/seduction27/05/26 04:39 PM
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professional photos are part of the issue, the other part is your messaging. you don’t want pro photos, it only hurts you now. every guys messaging is pretty shit but i’d need to see the conversations to tell you why yours is lacking specifically online dating works it’s just a bitch until it clicks or someone shows you what to do however once you do get it, it becomes easy and the next hurdle is you’ll want to date hotter girls and you’ll feel like the hottest girls are mostly irl and/or on IG …
/r/seduction27/05/26 04:32 PM
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Have a fire IG and you can pull more of them Sometimes they show up on dating apps Other times it’s about getting in the right social circle or sparking conversation at the gym Cold approach will be the hardest of all the methods because they can gawked at by everyone on earth so their guard is up. You have to be very relaxed and outcome independent to make it happen Have found them through all of those, so just take more shots and make your online game bulletproof
/r/seduction22/05/26 11:21 PM
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every single fucking flirting post uses “trouble” as an example, lol. That shit is so cringey in a real life setting unless it’s said in a very casual way during laughter or the girl is so attracted to you that you can’t go wrong with virtually anything any other scenario and it sounds like the most canned stereotypical PUA phrase in the world
/r/seduction22/05/26 11:19 PM
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if the woman finds you attractive you’re not going to turn her off with a compliment You can turn her off with the follow up, but not with a complimentary opener If she finds you unattractive, you’re fried 9/10 times with a compliment or crafty opener
/r/seduction22/05/26 11:18 PM
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women don’t hate being somewhat objectified by guys they find attractive. It’s why they put so much effort into beauty in the first place. They know what they’re doing. No one is telling Chris Hemsworth “oh my god you think i’m a sex object don’t you?!” It’s when a guy they’re disgusted by shows overt sexual interest that it’s seen as looking at her like she’s a sex object in the most negative way possible
/r/seduction22/05/26 11:16 PM
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this is the way
/r/seduction14/05/26 11:40 PM
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some are on torrent
/r/seduction14/05/26 11:32 PM
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this. shooting yourself in the foot by not having a good ig
/r/seduction13/05/26 09:23 PM
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the latter part of point #1 is interesting because for awhile it was common for everyone to say be nonchalant, take awhile to follow up, act busy etc but i’ve also noticed this spilling over into just not leading at all or some guys might even come off too playerish depending on their vibe and appearance at the same time it can be a delicate balance to not yap too much or over project interest
/r/seduction13/05/26 09:19 PM
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Definitely relevant. Two of my friends are 6’6 and 6’5 and easily get approached more than any guys i’ve ever known when we go out. Neither are exceptionally good looking or charismatic, nor do they make any outstanding effort to socialize outside of our group. It literally just falls in their lap over and over. It’s the same reason why King68 blew up so much. Listen to how often women comment on his height in clips. If he was 5’9 he wouldn’t have a brand right now
/r/seduction08/05/26 02:48 PM
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that’s not normal bro
/r/seduction01/05/26 02:37 PM
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Are you in good shape? Have you done basic looksmaxxing and dress well?
/r/seduction01/05/26 02:23 PM
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Figure out a dense location that works for you then and you’ll solve the problem. Depends what the bigger priority is though Hawaii, San diego, Scottsdale, LA, Vegas, Austin, Miami, Nashville, NYC are going to be the hotspots
/r/seduction25/04/26 05:35 AM
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I think it’s the allure of “game” and thinking if they just behave a certain way and say the right things, it’ll change things. The truth is that most of it is already decided before you even approach the girl.
/r/seduction24/04/26 03:50 PM
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how do you go about springing the hotel idea on them? in my experience they have to be turned on heavy (ie: mid escalation) and ready to tear your clothes off right there since it’s a pretty overt “let’s smash” and breaks the flow of the moment
/r/seduction24/04/26 02:42 AM
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Go to NYC and you’ll be bathing in options. your location is the issue
/r/seduction24/04/26 02:35 AM
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gay? lol
/r/seduction21/04/26 10:31 PM
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For him, it’s a combination of things: he makes good money, is charismatic and very good with people, is in really good shape, and she looks up to him and thinks he’s a god. She truly believes he’s her best option, so she’s submissive and was apparently open to women so she regularly pulls other girls for them. With regards to your second question, I think you have to choose a point to be content and exercise gratitude. It’s similar to money. There’s always more money to be made, or another hot …
/r/seduction13/04/26 07:11 PM
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Yup i get you. I’ve gotten to a point where I just know the gigantic red flags in a girl are going to come out. 9/10 times there’s some dealbreaking shit that pops up. It’s rarely something small and nitpicky
/r/seduction13/04/26 04:37 PM
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Yeah on average people become more jaded and less committed as they date more and more, but there will be some people inbetween that are tired of it It’s definitely rare to find one worth commitment though
/r/seduction13/04/26 04:33 PM
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Gotta find a main who is cool with you keeping options open though unless you lead her on, which in reality is more likely to happen
/r/seduction13/04/26 04:23 PM
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Jerking it gets old too though
/r/seduction13/04/26 04:17 PM
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30 is nothing I know a guy in his 50s who was doing it consistently throughout his 40s and now routinely has a girl get threesomes for him. He was married once for a few years in his 20s and said never again Human mind is hard to satisfy in general. Guys who aren’t in relationships want them, and the guys in relationships want more variety. The guys who aren’t married want a wife, and the guys who are married want to be single.
/r/seduction13/04/26 04:16 PM
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spot on. You actually willingly create a new problem of never being satisfied the best and worst time to get in a relationship is when you’re young and naive. It’s the best because you’re more likely to not stray because an LTR is all you’ve known, but also the worst because you’re inexperienced and the chances of not vetting a girl properly are extremely high. However once you rack up a lot of experience it’s hard to take any of them seriously for various reasons (you also realize 99% aren’t wo…
/r/seduction13/04/26 04:14 PM
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using dating apps primarily or approaching?
/r/seduction13/04/26 04:10 PM
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Nick Krauser is a massive influence too
/r/seduction13/04/26 04:06 PM
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These threads always attract some weird virtue signaling instead of just helping a guy date hotter women. It’s bizarre But anyway, the issue is you’re a 5-6 and trying to date up which is always difficult as a guy unless you have money and/or status working for you. You need to max out your SMV to the best of your ability but especially looksmaxxing and having a really good online presence (IG) would help too. If youre meeting these girls irl, doing a lot of approaching to get very comfortable i…
/r/seduction31/03/26 05:25 AM
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Ive read it and don’t get why this book gets recommended so much for every issue mentioned or how it solves wanting to date hotter women Seems like its just the default response for any thread here
/r/seduction31/03/26 05:19 AM
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yeah it reads like fantasy. Making a girl feel chosen is especially ridiculous in this current era of dating With the amount of options these hot girls have at their doorstep, they don’t care if you’re making them feel chosen or not because they want to be doing the choosing..and they do The caveat would be if you have substantial status, but really she’s still choosing you
/r/seduction24/03/26 05:14 AM
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dress shopping is one of the thirstier things i’ve read on here and most women would find it very weird. There’s gotta be a significant culture difference going on here and/or sugar setup
/r/seduction24/03/26 05:10 AM
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Yup agreed You can always tell who is chronically online by the hyper over analysis that goes on (black pill is especially guilty of this) irl is so much simpler but that’s also why it doesn’t “sell.” Saying “touch grass” just sounds like a boring cliche that doesn’t have much substance to it in terms of solving the problem , when in reality that’s where the solution lives entirely. Dating advice and content will always sell because most men would rather do anything other than approach women and…
/r/seduction23/02/26 02:24 AM
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this. asking this question points to the bigger problem
/r/seduction23/02/26 02:16 AM
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There’s truth to it, it’s just not the whole truth. Looksmaxxing is definitely the highest leverage thing you can do for better results on the front end. Charisma is a high leverage move too, but looksmaxxing is lower hanging fruit because charisma and confidence takes an identity shift over a longer period of time (if it happens at all) A lack of looksmaxxing is also the reason why so many guys struggle initially I was just watching a video on youtube about the problem with dating apps and the …
/r/seduction21/02/26 03:50 PM
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they felt chemistry and connection with you girls are more forgiving of wack sex the first time if they like you
/r/seduction18/02/26 03:22 AM
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idk didn’t seem analytical to me dating app -> call -> voice note follow up the awkward part is feigning that you’re new to the area and you didn’t bring your car or that it’s acting up. sounds sus right off the bat there’s plenty of naive girls that will go for it but yeah they’re definitely going to have to be a certain IQ and under 23 years old, otherwise that’s just going to trigger suspicion unless you got the halo effect doing heavy lifting for you
/r/seduction18/02/26 03:18 AM
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username of that person checks out
/r/seduction15/02/26 05:04 AM
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we got bros checking the sub while in the field today is legendary
/r/seduction15/02/26 05:03 AM
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except why is bro in this sub at all
/r/seduction15/02/26 05:00 AM
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bro checked the sub on a date
/r/seduction15/02/26 05:00 AM
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if we are talking about cold approach, irl is harder if it’s social circle or a place you have status, its easier but then the problem becomes is there enough volume for online your profile has to be really dialed in and/or you are very exceptional in one way or another, like height or looks from there, the messaging game is about opening with something that catches her attention and moving things along fairly quickly off the app you’ve mentioned wanting the “really attractive women” but that in…
/r/seduction14/02/26 05:18 PM
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gpt does it again
/r/seduction14/02/26 03:19 AM
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most women don’t swipe on guys over 35 because the image they have in their head of the average 35-40+ year old: balding, gut, shitty style and awkward if your look is dialed in you’ll destroy because you break the average expectation by a huge magnitude. age filters will still be a problem because you get lumped in with the rest, but irl a guy in great shape will pull way younger than on apps
/r/seduction13/02/26 04:58 AM
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he doesn’t
/r/seduction13/02/26 12:59 AM
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this thread has 2400 shares alone which means the views are probably around 100k most of those views will be men with a low barrier to entry (just download the app, paste message) to try this out and they’ll tell their friends etc then consider how many women guys have to message to get a date. tons of women on apps are about to see “hey wife” followed by the jenga line it’ll spread like wildfire and become the next “hey trouble” not to mention casey zander first posted that opener on a video th…
/r/seduction13/02/26 12:54 AM
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username doesn’t check out
/r/seduction13/02/26 12:33 AM
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they’re adults and are aware a match off tinder probably won’t be their husband just because he said “wife”
/r/seduction13/02/26 12:31 AM
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this is the type of thing that will go viral and will get killed quickly by every guy who views this thread spamming it all over slick method but almost wish you didn’t kill it OP
/r/seduction13/02/26 12:08 AM
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are you endorsing prostitutes or what are you saying in this post lol
/r/seduction12/02/26 05:08 PM
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you also need to go through some quantity to get to those 6 quality women in a rotation though. One of the cold approach OGs on here made a good post about how many girls you need to approach / the math to actually get and maintain a rotation it’s a lot unless you have status
/r/seduction12/02/26 05:05 PM
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solid post
/r/seduction12/02/26 04:57 PM
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username checks out
/r/seduction12/02/26 04:46 PM
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his age is a big factor. he’s 25 so he’s most likely hooking up with college girls and they’re going to be a lot more reckless doing this with 65 girls in their late 20s or 30s would be the real challenge because most won’t do it unless they’re clearly dtf and have a personality that leans toward high risk
/r/seduction12/02/26 04:36 PM
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most are taken by 25 at the latest. they’re never single long and you have to be lucky to be at the right place at the right time
/r/seduction12/02/26 04:28 PM
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this is the seduction sub. why are you even here if this is sad? this is literally the entire point of the sub
/r/seduction12/02/26 04:26 PM
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+1 You can definitely overhaul everything assuming you don’t have a drastic physical disability The reason it isn’t a multi billion dollar psychiatric industry is because of the immense time and work it takes. It automatically filters 99% of people out because most aren’t going to spend the time day after day. Hell, most guys here won’t even approach 5 women a week for a month let alone anything substantial
/r/seduction05/02/26 10:12 PM
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guys with extreme status would pull tons of hot girls having a dildo strapped to their forehead that’s not a good example for the point
/r/seduction05/02/26 10:00 PM
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“YOU DONT NEED TO FUCKING CHANGE holy shit. that cockblocks you, because you start being insecure of who you are” stopped reading there. Many guys do actually need to change to get women they want to have and to feel better about themselves, independent of women this post reads as, “just keep everything the same and be confident bro you’ll find your niche” which is bad advice for most by your own account you have a niche look that embraces certain feminine traits which means you have a narrow sc…
/r/seduction05/02/26 09:53 PM
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yup can instantly tell based on the girls eyes lighting up or not
/r/seduction05/02/26 01:49 AM
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this is pretty much the game in a nutshell
/r/seduction02/02/26 05:38 AM
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From my experience, liberal women are the most likely to be into men like that. By a mile
/r/seduction01/02/26 10:47 PM
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this. its actually a cheat code to default to being complimentary if you aren’t sure what else to say or do. it seems obvious, but this space tends to get clouded with the whole “be alpha and cocky/funny” type of advice the key is just keeping it simple (like the outfit comment) and nothing that indicates you’re drooling over her
/r/seduction01/02/26 06:03 AM
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99% of people in a club suck at dancing. They’re just drunk and letting it rip..do the same
/r/seduction01/02/26 06:01 AM
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I don't think any guy is looking to be the type she "settles" for
/r/seduction01/02/26 12:12 AM
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Annndddd right away the bullshit begins with comments like, " those aren't real 10s! find the girl next door shes a real 10" and "influencer just makes the girl a zero to me!" Said by a bunch of men who will never have a shot with any of them in the first place. Girls who have massive followings because of their looks are 9s and 10s, can we cut the dumb shit? You aren't seeing these women anywhere on the street on an average day. To answer OP, they are usually linking up with people through thei…
/r/seduction31/01/26 10:31 PM
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OP is right, and things are mostly decided before you ever say a word
/r/seduction31/01/26 05:17 AM
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> If they are, it's just an initial showing of interest. yes, thats exactly the problem for most. Most guys can't even get enough initial interest from a variety of women to have a chance at anything further than that. They can't get in the door to show their leadership qualities and all that shit and PUA circles for years have pushed the idea that looks don't matter that much and it's more about your game and ability to flip the attraction switches in a woman, hence why it's a multi-million dol…
/r/seduction31/01/26 05:06 AM
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false. you can pull like crazy off ig if you have a good profile
/r/seduction19/01/26 11:43 PM
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this feels like a gpt post ig still works great
/r/seduction19/01/26 11:41 PM
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there’s a big difference in the framing versus what the other guy said though most guys blurt out their eagerness and sexual thoughts about a woman. that’s very typical the other guys idea from old school pua stuff is solid because it frames it as her being the one with higher desire potentially which is always the best position to be in the implication of who desires who is more powerful than what’s on the surface “with asking permission.” he’s not actually asking for permission
/r/seduction08/01/26 06:12 AM
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Game matters, but not to the degree you’re alluding to. It’s mostly a looks and/or status game
/r/seduction30/12/25 09:25 PM
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Status is always king. A socially awkward dude with subpar looks who is famous will always crush versus the good looking guy with game
/r/seduction30/12/25 09:23 PM
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truth. for those that do it and stick with the grind, you’ll stand out and have skillset that used to be the baseline for society but is now becoming increasingly more uncommon
/r/seduction30/12/25 09:21 PM
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his advice is foundational for finding an LTR too. doesn’t have to be used for hookups
/r/seduction30/12/25 09:16 PM
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yep magic happens if you actually do it consistently over time. but most aren’t going to do it or they’ll try 3 times and give it up because the results won’t be immediate
/r/seduction30/12/25 09:16 PM
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this is the right take, but guys who overanalyze game and think it can overcome attraction will get pissed which is what happened with that other guys reply
/r/seduction26/12/25 05:07 PM
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and the biggest "secret" of all is the approach is already mostly decided before you say anything most game discussion is a a ton of overanalysis and assigning meaning to things that didn't actually make a difference
/r/seduction25/12/25 06:14 PM
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I know what you mean but I swipe left on those types quickly and don't factor them into what I'm saying here because of the scams and likelihood you won't match with any of the "bottle service at Space" type girls. There's still a lot of hot "normal" women outside of that
/r/seduction23/12/25 01:11 AM
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This is just a dating app context, but out of the major cities I've used apps in, Miami definitely has the hottest women on average. It's very apparent too, even above areas like NYC, Vegas, and LA NYC is an endless playground though. If you can't date in NYC there's something seriously off. It's dating on easy mode
/r/seduction23/12/25 12:35 AM
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I had a girl once tell me that if a guy ever dumped her she'd get him back just to dump him
/r/seduction19/12/25 10:01 PM
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sounds like a goofy line straight out of a typical cold approach infield clip on youtube
/r/seduction19/12/25 09:56 PM
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It's like I'd rather stay in the fantasy of being perceived as cool from afar than risk rejection. Yeah you nailed it when you say fantasy. Girls could be thinking you're a dork or look like an arrogant prick for all you know. They're not all going to be thinking "oh my god that guy so cool and hot im soaking wet right now." Most probably aren't thinking anything at all while you're crafting a narrative in your head that you're James Bond So with that considered it's a case of humbling yourself …
/r/seduction19/12/25 09:13 PM
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You can't be picky when you have a 0% success rate. You need more shots on goal and to be realistic. See if you can pull a 4 or 5/10 first and work your way up. You aren't going to go from zero success to pulling 8's
/r/seduction19/12/25 09:09 PM
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A break is always good because you'll come back with a slightly different perspective or suddenly have solutions to issues you were having before A coach would do you some good too because zero success in 2 years is a lot of time invested with no return. Someone with more experience who can see what's going on and guide you would fast track things
/r/seduction19/12/25 09:07 PM
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you're right but also telling a guy to not get invested in the outcome when he cant get any positive outcomes is like telling a guy dying of thirst in the desert to enjoy the scenery With regards to dating, the advice is correct at it's core, but internalizing that is basically impossible until you see success repeatedly
/r/seduction19/12/25 09:03 PM
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calling 32 old is insane lol. You can easily date early 20s still
/r/seduction19/12/25 12:34 AM
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> think it all comes down to my mindset and how i talk to myself If you're feeling that way, you're right. Inner game is about holistically improving as a person, even beyond dating and then it carries over into dating. For you, that means starting with changing your self talk and your perspective of yourself and life in general. Dr. Joe Dispenza is a good resource for this Meditation, having good inputs in terms of what you're reading and watching, mentors, and possibly therapy are all good for…
/r/seduction16/12/25 05:23 AM
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because she had a bf / guy came back and OP served a purpose for a short time. A girl making it clear to just come straight over to smash after meeting is the the tip off there A lot of girls hot and cold behavior is simply because there was another guy around the entire time
/r/seduction16/12/25 03:14 AM
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Because that is what will happen the majority of the time due to dating dynamics. 3 might be a bit much but 2 for sure
/r/seduction15/12/25 06:03 AM
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I watched the video. His approach is basically that you can negotiate attraction which I disagree with. I get that if you don't have looks on your side you have to try and use something to get somewhere, but with his example of demonstrating provision and the movie example of saving a kitten, women only think thats cute in an attractive way if the guy is attractive. If a 350lbs dude saves a kitten from a tree they will say "aww" but not want to sleep with the guy. If you're the 5'8 pudgy guy who…
/r/seduction14/12/25 06:38 PM
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this man gets it
/r/seduction14/12/25 06:14 AM
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In regards to the first paragraph, if you don’t meet her looks threshold for attractiveness you’re pretty screwed unless you’re around that girl a lot over a long period of time (ie: work). In some cases those situations can flip, or if you have status that is relevant to her, but there’s STILL always the question of genuine desire The idea behind looksmaxxing is you hit more girls threshold so the pool for you broadens, so it’s not necessarily about being top 5% than it is not being bottom 80% …
/r/seduction14/12/25 06:13 AM
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I get what you’re saying and know you’re a fan of mystery’s approach etc, but some of the things you’re talking about contribute to the halo effect that will get you another 10 seconds, or a minute etc The reason to not be a chubby guy even though there’s chubby guys with a girlfriend is that the chubby guy typically has a very limited scope of options and on average you’re going to date a girl that is your looks match Chubby guys are almost never dating hot girls without some kind of status or …
/r/seduction14/12/25 05:54 AM
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like the majority of the internet, most guys on here get zero ass so keep that in mind the people who value good posts will mostly lurk and apply the info without you knowing who they are
/r/seduction13/12/25 12:44 AM
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it’s a trap boys
/r/seduction13/12/25 12:35 AM
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this
/r/seduction02/10/25 12:50 AM
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a 32 year old woman going after a 19 year old is guaranteed insane
/r/seduction23/09/25 12:12 AM
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two months without doing anything in person…? that’s the issue
/r/seduction22/09/25 07:47 PM
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Mystery sounds like a guy who had issues that got inflamed by the lifestyle rather than caused by it. Every player isn’t ending up on the floor needing to be physically carried to a rehab center like he was A lot of dudes just sleep with a bunch of girls and move on eventually
/r/seduction22/09/25 07:45 PM
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“I’ve now thrown caution to the wind and just escalate” this is the way
/r/seduction21/09/25 05:06 AM
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forewarning that it’s never the hottest girls that are down for this. You’ll have to except the mids most of the time. you can get lucky though if the stars align
/r/seduction21/09/25 05:01 AM
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there's a few good coaches on here and on YouTube like Coach Kyle and Austen Summers They openly talk about how they get rejected (and show it) and there isn't a secret but more so a refining process of your communication and then understanding how to flirt or ask her out without being weird etc. i think the "get any woman with this 1 secret" guys are more of a relic of the early 2000s or outlier scammy landing pages in the modern era, rather than the norm
/r/seduction18/09/25 05:52 PM
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Hotter older women are harder because of how much experience they have. If they get a player vibe from you it’ll take some work
/r/seduction08/09/25 02:45 PM
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Guys who teach how to approach are sex criminals…?
/r/seduction08/09/25 02:43 PM
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this might be obvious, but make sure your look is dialed in the best it can be. good style, physique, teeth whitened, fresh haircut etc. Presentation is severely underrated with cold approach since it’s usually talked about as the alternative to online dating, but it matters just as much if not more if you look is dialed in id also be using online for efficiency. you could def get dates this month if you have good photos of yourself for cold approach whose content are u watching?
/r/seduction03/09/25 08:54 PM
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you’d have to first legitimately tally up your approaches to be sure you’re actually approaching as much as you think you are from there if your success rate is literally 0% then something is off and a coach or someone who can look at your presentation and approaches would help you find your blind spot it also depends how far into the game you are. if you just started and you’re within your first 100 approaches, 1% or even 0% converting is a realistic outcome for some, but a coach would help spe…
/r/seduction03/09/25 08:12 PM
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Makes sense. So hypothetically when would you deviate from that and go direct and why?
/r/seduction02/09/25 01:53 AM
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I agree with everything you’ve laid out here and understand where you’re coming from. From a coaching perspective how would you advise a guy to acquire that courage if he’s drained after repeated exposure? I’ve struggled to communicate this to guys I know that try it and give up quickly
/r/seduction01/09/25 06:19 PM
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As someone who has done well on apps for awhile, no it’s not the same. Cold approach gives you a completely different level of fearlessness, outcome independence, comfort in your own skin, ability to make things happen anywhere, and social confidence that is palpable It boosts your overall masculinity That’s because it takes balls and puts you in uncomfortable scenarios over and over again until you’re desensitized to them Use both because they develop different things, but understand how much y…
/r/seduction01/09/25 06:16 PM
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Curious why do you say direct works in rare cases? Quite a few guys like the “hey i thought you were cute” typical approach for daygame because indirect can end up with 10 mins of convo wasted only to hear “oh sorry i have a bf” pros and cons to each and neither is perfect but wanted to hear your take
/r/seduction01/09/25 06:13 PM
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I never see cold approaches happen and live in a metro area. The last time i saw one i think it was actually a girl approaching a friend of mine lol. I never see guys do it unless they’re wasted in the club Somewhere like Brickell is a different story though. it’s crawling with guys approaching
/r/seduction01/09/25 06:08 PM
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interesting he was in the PUA space? had no idea.
/r/seduction01/09/25 06:06 PM
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this is spot on and it’s why i don’t like the talking point of “the competition is harder than ever now!” it’s really not, most men are passive and most don’t do the work on themselves if you do both you’ll smoke 99% of them
/r/seduction30/08/25 11:28 PM
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Yup, looks play a huge role in cold approach which goes against common trope that it’s for the guys that aren’t good looking and can’t win online (no idea how that even began aside from selling snake oil that everyone can win and be a ladies man)
/r/seduction26/08/25 06:50 PM
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lol GHL fr
/r/seduction26/08/25 06:48 PM
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That’s just daygame even if you’re very good at it Approach to lay maxes out around 3%
/r/seduction26/08/25 06:46 PM
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intent with plausible deniability =/= beating around the bush because like you said, women know why you’re there so they get the signal loud n clear, that’s the intent part however there is a massive difference between overt declarations and implied intent where you both know what’s going on but it doesn’t need to be said outright (aka the flirting style women respond to the most) overt, direct verbal flirting is fine as a training tool if a guy is terrified at showing intent during a daygame ap…
/r/seduction26/08/25 04:26 AM
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yeah the internet romanticizes the success rate but in reality if you’re good at daygame the max success rate is around 3-4%..that means approach to lay a cold approach guy on here with a ton of volume named total obligation alsotalked about it in some of his posts a good dating app conversion rate is around 10% for match to date so you’re going to be about the same when you factor it as match to lay (it’ll be higher if they message you first) just the reality of dating so you need volume to wor…
/r/seduction26/08/25 04:16 AM
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the really cute like is going to get you blown out most of the time unless you’re an outlier in some form (ie: super Chad) besides that, its not a good example of flirting. It’s definitely man to woman but it’s so overt and shows your cards quickly that it misses the subtleties of flirting in the first place good flirting is showing intent with plausible deniability but most flirting happens from nonverbals. Your eye contact alone and tonality displays most of your intent which is why women will…
/r/seduction25/08/25 09:07 PM
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Ok so not applicable to most of the world then and the girls probably aren’t legit 10s either
/r/seduction25/08/25 09:04 PM
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yup and once you “get it” it’s very easy to
/r/seduction25/08/25 07:27 PM
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yep im big on online dating but cold approach attributes carry over to all areas it’s also the best way to get confident with 10s because if you can approach a 10 on the street it’ll show that you’re capable of talking to beautiful women on a regular basis and relax
/r/seduction25/08/25 07:26 PM
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a common piece of advice in pickup is just get the first 100 approaches out of the way, because they’re throwaways and as a beginner your success rate will likely be around 1% until you get better depending on your starting point so yes your results make perfect sense, you have to keep going
/r/seduction25/08/25 07:24 PM
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shoutout to you for actually taking action in multiple ways
/r/seduction25/08/25 07:22 PM
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exactly why you need to do it a lot
/r/seduction25/08/25 07:20 PM
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where are you on the planet where you KEEP seeing 6s pull 10s and see them at a $3 restaurant? where the fuck do you even find a $3 restaurant let alone dudes who are 6s pulling 10s lol…and what is your standard for what a 10 is whole things sounds made up
/r/seduction25/08/25 07:13 PM
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yep. envisioning it doesn’t matter, taking the actions that get results is all that matters “believe it before you achieve it” may work for some people, but most are going to doubt the shit out of themselves until they see proof they’re capable, and that proof only comes through ignoring your brain’s self sabotage, taking the right actions consistently until you get that proof
/r/seduction25/08/25 07:12 PM
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This isn’t true. Some courses are legitimately valuable having seen them myself and how the coaching works What usually happens is the guys who succeed don’t post about it because they’re a different type (action taker, more optimistic) and the loudest voices are always the laziest people who didn’t put in the effort or were never going to succeed with any approach There’s definitely shit programs out there and scams, but i’d say they’re actually the minority. If you actually do what some of the…
/r/seduction25/08/25 07:10 PM
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You can date 22-30 when you’re 50 dude lol 32 dating that age range is a cakewalk as long as you’re fit and take care of yourself Dating is actually easier in your 30s
/r/seduction18/08/25 06:42 PM
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Yep this is true and gets overlooked a lot because confidence is such a common cliche type of thing to reference, but it’s the highest smv display
/r/seduction18/08/25 06:42 PM
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bro got left with empty balls and an empty stomach
/r/seduction18/08/25 06:41 PM
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Having zero money and dating also forces you to rely on who you are as a man and learn seduction / game You have no choice but to figure it out because you have nothing else to rely on for attraction
/r/seduction18/08/25 06:39 PM
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you actually don’t have to physically escalate at all before the pull, because as you said, they know what’s going on when they go to the guys place If he got that far he’s definitely fumbling something badly once they’re in the door or else there wouldn’t have been enough attraction built to go back in the first place, especially with multiple women their compliance to go back is the signal in itself, the physical escalation before that is redundant if she’s willing to go back unless he’s going…
/r/seduction16/08/25 02:15 AM
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No one here is going to have the answer to this because this is usually everyone’s problem (even for women if you ask them). If you had an honest poll of this sub, <1% of guys here are actually getting the women they truly want, and it might be zero. That’s mostly why spaces like this exist. Everyone is trying to figure it out in a formulaic way so it can be repeated and finally crack the code. It’s not a solvable code though Getting the women you truly want has a luck and timing component to it…
/r/seduction13/08/25 03:37 PM
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yep know a guy that does this and has always been successful with it. His vibe is charismatic and warm toward everyone, but you can also tell he’s working to charm women and the women know it too. But he has one of the best physiques in the gym and a ton of interesting stories from the life he’s lived so he’s got a few things working for him tldr: if you’re good with people, live an interesting life, and make sure you look good, being social will work in any environment
/r/seduction13/08/25 03:35 PM
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His game actually goes against most conventional advice. He calls girls baby very quickly and essentially love bombs them off the bat. He has shitty emotional control and isn't charismatic. He works a social job so he can talk to people but he has a habit of being very brash and offending people He contradicts 99% of game material you'll see His best trait is that he's an action taker. He will approach a girl anywhere and just shoot the shot and he's always on dating apps sending messages. He's …
/r/seduction12/08/25 07:16 PM
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I’d say it’s reverse because the majority of guys fall into the nice guy category even if they don’t think they do, so they struggle to create sexual attraction or overcompensate
/r/seduction12/08/25 02:52 PM
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Yeah this is basically the idea of attraction & comfort/connection You need both in certain amounts for each girl. Too much of one and it can lead to ghosting or friendzoning
/r/seduction12/08/25 02:50 PM
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why would you be texting 100 girls with no end result...?
/r/seduction11/08/25 09:07 PM
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One girl he sees regularly is bi and helps him pull other girls. Not other couples though
/r/seduction11/08/25 09:06 PM
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There’s going to be a lot of different answers to this based on one factor: LTR history I’ve noticed guys who didn’t have any extensive LTRs early on tended to burn out on hookups faster than the guys who had LTRs first and then became single. This is amplified even more if the guy was married For example, I know a guy who is 51 having foursomes on the regular who has been casually hooking up since he was in his early 30s after his marriage ended. He has no intent of stopping Whereas i know anot…
/r/seduction09/08/25 08:47 PM
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Shocking news: asking woman for sex directly doesn’t work well. Also why the book “mode one” is the dumbest thing ever written
/r/seduction09/08/25 08:44 PM
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Yeah the guy who gets laid the most in my friend circle just goes to work, gym, and back home. Rarely travels, his hobbies are mostly at home, and he doesn’t like going out to social places He gets women through a combo of dating apps and approaching girls at the gym/coffee shops. I know someone will say he’s a super stud, but he’s a facially average looking dude, 5’10, but a good athletic physique and some tattoos Most dating advice is just trying to come up for reasons why dudes aren’t getting…
/r/seduction05/08/25 03:30 PM
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Mods gotta delete these GPT posts more often. sub is littered with them
/r/seduction05/08/25 03:27 PM
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It seems like there’s a piece to the puzzle missing Mark has 1400/1200 following ratio which is nothing special, has average text game, isn’t super jacked or good looking, and girls are just lining up for him? How is he finding these girls or how are they finding him? Cold dming randoms in your area? Does he have some kind of social status at school/work/in social circles? Having average game and getting girls is one thing, but girls “lining up” wanting a chance with him and pulling multiple off…
/r/seduction04/08/25 03:07 PM
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this is going to get guys projecting way too much eagerness and interest off the bat and getting blown out it’s disregarding the balance of comfort and attraction
/r/seduction03/08/25 10:32 PM
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Yup status is king. It's always interesting to me how cold approach is preached as 'the way,' yet you start off with the lowest status possible of any dating method. It is inherently the path of most resistance and highest time investment
/r/seduction02/08/25 03:58 PM
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Yeah it’s definitely going to be better going to a more competitive pond and aiming for the 7s because they’ll have to outcompete the more attractive women which is going to typically mean more effort and faster hookups Supply/demand as someone else said, and then difficulty separating in a saturated market If you go where 7s are in abundance and 9s are rare, the 7s are going to act like 9s and be treated as such (inflation) With that said, you’ll have to be an 8-9 yourself relative to that mark…
/r/seduction31/07/25 04:35 AM
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Op has to be trolling
/r/seduction31/07/25 04:29 AM
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that's because those guys all have status The guy with a big belly that works at the grocery store down the street is going to be jerking off tonight and every night thereafter
/r/seduction31/07/25 12:56 AM
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yep. lean guy is going to destroy the dad bod everytime. Dad bod is a goofy internet talking point versus what actually goes down irl
/r/seduction31/07/25 12:55 AM
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this is correct. OP watch movie scenes where guys are flirting and take note of their non verbals and the vibe they create rather than having the perfect lines. Its always through eye contact, tonality, slowing speech down, seductive smirk type expressions etc
/r/seduction31/07/25 12:53 AM
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gotcha. Yeah ive noticed its def possible to hookup in that range still, but a few years back with early 20s girls seemed to take zero effort, and as these girls approach 30, they've dealt with players and getting pumped and dumped so their guard is up more (IME) Your other post about how things have changed resonates
/r/seduction31/07/25 12:52 AM
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is there still an EDM scene after Park closed? that's def the best scene to be in, or was
/r/seduction31/07/25 12:51 AM
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gotcha. surprised you’re doing well in Sac. social scene blows up there lol
/r/seduction31/07/25 12:45 AM
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yeah i think the days of Chad having a harem have been over for a minute, at least in the US Some of the “best players” i’ve known have gone to other countries now to keep the same success going even though they can still do well here (these aren’t fat passport bro dudes) There’s definitely been a shift since 2021 or so
/r/seduction31/07/25 12:41 AM
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how do you know a large percentage of accounts are AI if you don’t even use apps and haven’t in awhile
/r/seduction31/07/25 12:38 AM
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Re that guys comment above: sexualizing convos to screen is going to lead to blowouts by most girls that are legitimately hot, especially once you’re getting past early 20s that mainly works with 6’s and maybe some 7s here and there…8+ nah
/r/seduction31/07/25 12:37 AM
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what demographic of women are you dating now though in terms of age? Girls in their early 20s are way more likely to hookup than girls 27-35
/r/seduction31/07/25 12:34 AM
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you’re basically at the ceiling of apps and have been for awhile your only move from here is using them in different cities/countries and trying to squeeze the last bit of SMV out of your photos with a refresh (unless you have room to max your looks some more) otherwise you’ll find hotter girls irl and that’s the next conquest for you
/r/seduction31/07/25 12:31 AM
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are you searching for random profiles in your area via location tags or hitting up recommended profiles etc?
/r/seduction31/07/25 12:29 AM
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Are you really asking how to do something if you want to do something else lol bruh what is this sub now What do you do when you want to stay home and eat pizza but you have to go to work? Unless you hate money you go work anyway if you wanna daygame, make it a priority and just start doing it an hour a week. It’s going to be hard as shit so start light
/r/seduction31/07/25 12:27 AM
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this. Move somewhere that is lively for a year (ex: go be a bartender in Ibiza for a year) or do the nomad thing and live in a different airbnb every few weeks in a new country/state for a year
/r/seduction28/07/25 11:04 PM
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There’s a movie about this called Yes Man with Jim Carrey where he makes a promise to himself to say yes to everything for a year straight to change his life Doing it makes you aware of how many experiences you actually say no to. It’s pretty enlightening
/r/seduction28/07/25 11:00 PM
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this is great advice and spot on. You’re definitely limited by your environment and the people in it changing that can change everything fast
/r/seduction28/07/25 10:57 PM
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I’ll give it an hour before this thread goes into a political spiral and a mod locks this lol I notice the opposite though, moderate and right wing guys doing the best despite living in an extremely diverse area. Leftist guys are typically noticeably more feminine in the way they carry themselves and their perspective and typically attract more masculine women The thing to keep in mind is leftist men will typically over emphasize intellectualism as an attraction trigger, and more conservative me…
/r/seduction28/07/25 07:12 PM
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what an intelligent counterpoint proving my point exactly
/r/seduction27/07/25 05:48 PM
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No, he’s definitely right. I have a 5’4 Indian friend who landed 4 dates in the first week of being in NYC. It’s all about how strong your profile and texting is To quote another guy I know who travels regularly, “if you can’t date in NYC, you can’t date anywhere” It’s an ocean of options. If you aren’t getting results, something is seriously off with the profile
/r/seduction27/07/25 02:06 PM
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This is nonsense. With a good profile you can do well, and the truth is the OPs profile isn’t as strong as he thinks This lazy “get off the apps” advice gets so old. Stop pushing your lack of success off on other guys as advice when others are doing well on apps And 99% of guys will never actually stick to cold approach to get good at it. I have no idea why it’s preached so much. It takes a level of resilience and persistence to get good at that almost no one here is going to do after grinding a…
/r/seduction27/07/25 02:00 PM
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you’ll land far hotter women if you max your looks. It’s the highest leverage thing you can do. NOT doing it doesn’t make any sense. There’s some validity to the black pill even though most of the ideology is trash anyone who tells guys looks don’t matter is running a cruel scam tbh
/r/seduction27/07/25 01:56 PM
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the worst that happens is "He sucks, he took me out for only a coffee smh and makes less than six figures..." or "Don't date him, he dumped me and I'm still not over it." the strawman is crazy. There's literally a tiktok by a woman talking about how a guy got labeled as having STDs and no one even knows if its true or not. Imagine someone saying you have herpes and everyone just believes it because groupthink and "the app said so" insanity
/r/MensRights24/07/25 10:06 PM
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spot on, yet women will cheer this like it's a great idea
/r/MensRights24/07/25 10:04 PM
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the fact that women actually think it’s a great idea is insane well women are petty by nature, the reason soap operas exist, and gossip is the reason they go to brunch and have wine nights. This is absolutely on brand
/r/MensRights24/07/25 10:01 PM
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I refuse to believe a grown man would actually be this naive to think women who are petty by nature would only use this app for "good." You're absolutely a woman/troll
/r/MensRights24/07/25 09:55 PM
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If you guys weren’t so childish you’d realize dating is identical to sales
/r/seduction18/07/25 03:35 AM
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I agree with #1, but with #2 you can always use more looks. It’s an attribute that has infinite benefits and no ceiling on it. Aside from status, it’s the most powerful attribute you can have (gives you WAY more opportunities to even display your game in the first place and the halo effect makes up for a lot) and should be something you’re always trying to maximize The last part i disagree with too. You can easily go home with nothing while having game or looks, but the Pitt/Clooney guys can eas…
/r/seduction10/07/25 03:43 PM
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The number of scenarios in life that it’s beneficial to tell women you’re looking for something short term: 0 gotta get your game on point broski
/r/seduction02/07/25 08:38 PM
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I’m about done with this sub. Too many corny chatGPT posts and day 1 beginner stuff
/r/seduction02/07/25 03:55 PM
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It’s another dude. You can’t take women at face value because they’re inherently evasive of direct confrontation ignore and move on
/r/seduction28/06/25 08:10 PM
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correct it’s rare to even find a 8+ unless you’re in miami or a similar city where there’s more of them roaming
/r/seduction28/06/25 02:10 AM
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oh i meant having a hair system, not questioning if rogaine hair is real
/r/seduction25/06/25 04:53 PM
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Dope, that’s one of the best, concise explanations of qualification i’ve seen
/r/seduction25/06/25 04:52 PM
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Well there’s a lot of different aesthetics you can embrace on IG, and a lot of those cliche things will always work. Women aren’t going to stop finding boats, chains, tattoos, suits, and cocktails attractive. Technically that’s the reason why that type became a meme in the first place: it works
/r/seduction25/06/25 02:44 PM
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Would be interested to see you dive deeper into qualification and how you go about it
/r/seduction25/06/25 02:35 PM
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how have women responded knowing that your hair isn’t real?
/r/seduction25/06/25 02:27 PM
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9/10 posts on here are so bad now
/r/seduction23/06/25 01:37 PM
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tbh 4o is good enough
/r/seduction17/06/25 04:18 PM
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Both of these replies are interesting, appreciate it With the first part, I was moreso implying the situations where you don't have much time to work with rather than being incapable of it. That brings up another question, though. It sounds like you're a fan of extending interactions longer to build more investment, similar to sales psychology. However, i've noticed a sect of guys in the pickup space that say there isn't a correlation between interaction length and follow-up consistency. Or in o…
/r/seduction14/06/25 04:51 PM
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Only thing that flags me here is driving around buying food from random places for a chick who said she’s tired of typical date ideas First she sounds like a princess and bitchy, driving around buying food from random places is doing way too much for a first date and sounds like you’re trying to entertain the girl rather than her investing. I agree with the overall idea of your post but that part definitely raised an eyebrow. The other thing would be how does your method apply to women who are m…
/r/seduction14/06/25 02:13 PM
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Brother, don’t try to salvage this relationship even though your emotions want to. When a woman is the one to initiate the breakup, it’s never good. She’s mentally checked out and overriding that is basically impossible Every guy goes through a breakup that feels like the world is ending or sometimes multiple, but that isn’t a legit reason to stop living. The storm always passes even if it doesn’t feel like it You gotta get better from this. There’s millions of women out there that are a better …
/r/seduction13/06/25 02:33 PM
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you can do it too
/r/seduction13/06/25 06:33 AM
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well some guys are legit coaches and have to film to prove their skillset so people can see it, but yeah some of the tiktok bros are just there for $$$ and aren't actually good at what they do
/r/seduction13/06/25 12:18 AM
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its just clicks and views it generates money, and a lot of it
/r/seduction12/06/25 11:39 PM
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not even close to reality. <0.1% of the population is a content creator filming approaches...actually its way less than that even because 0.1% of the US population would be around 330k people and there definitely isnt that many just approach
/r/seduction12/06/25 11:39 PM
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If your hobby has a lot of hot women around and you're a social guy in that environment, sure. if you're boxing in a gym with a bunch of dudes and then you go to work and go home, women dont even know you exist (even worse if you're socially awkward) This advice is incomplete and oversimplified for what it actually takes
/r/seduction11/06/25 09:38 PM
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i stopped reading at "follow her lead"
/r/seduction11/06/25 08:06 PM
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yeah just be a criminal bro it works wonders
/r/seduction09/06/25 01:47 PM
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What were some things they did to recenter yourself and overcome external validation reliance?
/r/seduction09/06/25 01:47 PM
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Men who get approached regularly are getting approached because they exude masculine confidence So you truly think that every single guy that gets approached is exuding masculine confidence and that is the trigger for the woman approaching and women never get in their head about how accessible and attainable you are? That's a lot of assumptions and you're living in an alternate reality with a very narrow view of things Not to mention a woman just responded to this and agreed about the psychologi…
/r/seduction07/06/25 05:18 PM
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it js more complicated than that because the more attractive you are, the more likely you are to intimidate women from even making a move in the first place Women will talk openly about this too. they assume you’re a player or out of their league. It’s the girl version of a guy who is terrified to approach a 9. Most women aren’t approaching If a guy gets approached more often it just means he comes off more accessible and less intimidating rather than a signal of being an ultra stud
/r/seduction06/06/25 10:40 PM
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there’s truth to this and being able to move a girl up the scale but the caveat is a 5 is basically medium interest and where most women are at on the scale if they’re attracted to you. The “if she likes you” stuff is mainly deciphering between a low interest woman and a medium to high interest woman. A girl who is a 2/10 about you is going to be a pain in the ass to deal with and you most likely aren’t getting anything to happen unless you can slide her up to a 5, but operating from a 2 is a pr…
/r/seduction06/06/25 10:38 PM
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When you say initiate DMs, are these cold profiles that don’t follow you or girls that follow you already?
/r/seduction06/06/25 02:05 PM
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yeah when is that not a turn on lol
/r/seduction06/06/25 02:04 PM
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so true
/r/seduction06/06/25 02:04 PM
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so ego is holding you back from getting laid in other words get over it and do it, you’ll be happy you did. literally no one cares but you
/r/seduction06/06/25 02:02 PM
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this is why women’s dating advice sucks
/r/seduction03/06/25 11:14 PM
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Todd V and other guys break things down in techniques to understand how things are supposed to flow because it’s aimed at an audience that doesnt have good social skills It’s a way for someone to make sense of things and make them more tangible, but ultimately it’s just a way of dissecting a good flirtatious conversation between a man and a woman So yes you can succeed without doing “techniques” overtly, but guys like your friend are actually doing those things without consciously thinking about…
/r/seduction03/06/25 03:27 PM
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+1. The highest quality women i’ve met have always come from social circle, but it has the highest patience curve so 99% of dudes reading this will never utilize any of this info, but social circle is extremely powerful edit: yeah judging by the comments of things like “games” it’ll fly over most guys’ head
/r/seduction30/05/25 08:01 PM
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so you get regular sex but can’t fathom why a guy would want to sleep with a hot girl on date 1 ok
/r/seduction30/05/25 06:14 PM
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bro what world are you living in lol
/r/seduction30/05/25 02:03 AM
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dude are you insane lol, his post had nothing to do with pitching anything and is objectively correct
/r/seduction29/05/25 05:34 AM
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Only way to separate yourself is look as attractive as humanly possible (because you’ll typically be dating 1-2 points down on an app) and flex lifestyle photos From there it’s a roll of the dice if the top tier girls reply or not and most simply won’t
/r/seduction29/05/25 05:31 AM
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Women are inherently fickle and picky which creates a situation where men have to think tactically about where their time and money goes. The chances of getting ghosted, a girl not coming back because she “didn’t feel a spark” and so on is high for the average guy, so he can’t just rely on “vibes and connection” only. That would be the ideal outcome, but in order to find that he’s going to lose money and time sifting through the crowd Only dumb/ignorant men date flippantly in this dating climate…
/r/seduction28/05/25 02:03 PM
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Many women would and do go back to a guys place after coffee I notice other women always refer to girls like that as “stupid” or “easy” lol, meanwhile it’s oftentimes intelligent, working class women.
/r/seduction28/05/25 01:59 PM
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has nothing to do with simping. Legit 9s and 10s aren’t coming out for a walk when they’ve got 63 other dudes offering helicopter rides and expensive steakhouses for a date. Their entitlement is sky high from being in demand I don’t believe you have dated a legit 9/10 (world class beauty) to understand that, and they always go where the money goes. You will never see an actual 9/10 with a dude who doesn’t have money/status
/r/seduction28/05/25 01:53 PM
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Flowers on a first date is wack and many women (in the US) will think you’re weird for doing so
/r/seduction28/05/25 01:50 PM
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her social media talked about robbing dudes? lol
/r/seduction28/05/25 01:48 PM
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Time for a TDN coffee date post
/r/seduction28/05/25 01:45 PM
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you want a guide for texting friends? 💀
/r/seduction26/05/25 02:22 PM
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Spot on. Idk where this advice has come from that every single girl needs to be escalated on ASAP or you’re fucked. The explanations of how she doesn’t feel chemistry if she doesn’t feel touch are bizarre too Getting used to kino/touch/whatever is a good default mode to practice for a nice guy who is scared of ever pulling the trigger, but if you’re a guy who can pull the trigger when you want, it’s not a dealbreaker to not escalate on the first date. Some of the hottest and most sexually attach…
/r/seduction26/05/25 02:13 PM
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wait how did you end up with “many” of his first dates telling you their gripes?
/r/seduction26/05/25 02:02 PM
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I know a girl who is obsessed with MMA actually and she’s hot because she trains all the time / is lean etc. There’s also a ton of gamer girls out there
/r/seduction26/05/25 02:01 PM
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Same experience here. Women love romance novels for a reason — writing can be extremely powerful and you can definitely build attraction in text
/r/seduction26/05/25 01:49 PM
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Eh maybe. If you’re truly a good player or pickup guy you know how to switch things up and play a fool to catch a fool sometimes. Women get tricked all the time which is why there’s 9 million Tiktok’s of girls ranting about falling for a player again and getting heartbroken
/r/seduction23/05/25 12:38 AM
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pretty much this
/r/seduction20/05/25 06:24 PM
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yeah there’s a lot of women like that which is hilarious. Zero awareness of what they’re even asking for
/r/seduction20/05/25 06:23 PM
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that’s a great way of putting it
/r/seduction20/05/25 06:15 AM
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Most guys who want to get laid asap will overlook this piece of advice and it’s the most critical
/r/seduction20/05/25 06:15 AM
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The flow of energy sounds like you’re describing chemistry, but the last part makes it sound like you can control when chemistry occurs but that isn’t true unless im misinterpreting
/r/seduction20/05/25 06:10 AM
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You’re asking an incredibly vast question because charisma is made up of many factors. The book “The Charisma Myth” and watching the YT channel Charisma on Command is better for grasping those factors that make up charisma
/r/seduction17/05/25 03:13 PM
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The “real” or “natural” energy is what I find to be the biggest separator. The other guy said those charismatic guys are a dime a dozen, but i’d argue that a lot of them don’t come across as the real deal or have a layer of inauthenticity that is hard to place your finger on and women feel it too The guys who truly come across as naturally charismatic are not common and they are magnetic. I had the same exact experience as you with a shorter guy I knew in college. The guy would effortlessly attr…
/r/seduction17/05/25 03:11 PM
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the info is spot on regardless
/r/seduction15/05/25 11:03 PM
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that sounds incredibly inefficient
/r/seduction15/05/25 11:03 PM
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This is spot on. I’ve never met a hot 35+ woman who didn’t have glaring issues and a screw loose
/r/seduction15/05/25 02:06 AM
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Yeah way easier. Girls in their 20s have Tiktok brain and their attention span is worse than ever
/r/seduction15/05/25 02:02 AM
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Yeah it gets repeated a lot now too and i have no idea where it even came from. Even just a couple interactions with women would quickly tell you that’s an awful idea
/r/seduction15/05/25 01:16 AM
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If you say you just want something casual up front, you will fumble 99% of attractive women
/r/seduction13/05/25 06:48 PM
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Having worked in night life, fashion industry, and LA, I can’t even recall ever seeing a 5 with a legit 10. This seems to be more of an internet talking point that has no legs to it And i highly doubt the average guys batting out of their league are just mental gods. Very few men focus on strengthening their mindset and even fewer have it naturally, the ones that do usually aren’t content being a 5
/r/seduction11/05/25 03:57 AM
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but did you smash
/r/seduction11/05/25 03:55 AM
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Yeah why does no one actually answer the fuckin question in these threads lol. The answer is status/money and coming across their path by having access to them or their social circle (assuming we are talking about these chicks with 250k+ followers just based on their beauty) They’re the women who legit have celebrities in their DM. You’re not smashing those girls just because you’ve been practicing cold approach at the mall
/r/seduction11/05/25 03:54 AM
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yep pro tip is always let your female friends know you’re pulling all the time
/r/seduction11/05/25 03:47 AM
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It's massive just for the masculine presence alone. You can have sick approach skills, but having a boyish pencil neck look is going to get you rejected by a lot of women. The passive sex appeal is huge and the effect a great physique has on women during sex can't be underestimated either. They act like they're practically in a trance rubbing all over your arms, abs, chest, plus the strength benefits to pick a girl up like nothing, throw her around etc A great physique works as a strong form of …
/r/seduction09/05/25 12:11 AM
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eh the advice there is pretty bad. Search up tips here on this sub, there’s plenty
/r/seduction08/05/25 03:21 AM
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Why wouldn’t it be real? Reading a few articles through the lens of experience, i’d say it’s pretty true to life
/r/seduction08/05/25 03:20 AM
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confidence doesn’t scare men at all. it’s purely the level of beauty
/r/seduction08/05/25 03:17 AM
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How is it overrated? the benefits are massive tbh
/r/seduction08/05/25 03:15 AM
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Making the move when the idea crosses your mind and you’re about to hesitate. As soon as it crosses your mind, simply do it before you brain can catch up and tell you why not to
/r/seduction08/05/25 03:09 AM
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yep i do this too..works great
/r/seduction08/05/25 03:08 AM
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sub-10% body fat isn’t his solution 15% is fine. I’ve been in the single digits, ie: striated lower back, veins all over lower abs and hamstrings etc…you get more looks but the amount of dates wasn’t notably different from me being 15% a guy at 15% who is good looking (supposedly) and has 0 positive female experiences ever doesn’t have a body fat problem edit: u/topher_atx beat me to it
/r/seduction08/05/25 03:04 AM
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this is one i’ve never heard. Plenty of dudes on finasteride and dut clapping cheeks where is this assumption from exactly? or are you trolling lol
/r/seduction08/05/25 03:02 AM
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OP post photos and multiple text convos where you got ghosted so we can review
/r/seduction08/05/25 03:01 AM
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Women also say a lot of shit that isn’t true or just to be different. Their self awareness relative to what they actually respond to is notoriously awful More than half of “all those women” you supposedly talked to about Brad Pitt would fuck him given the chance and he was standing right in front of them It’s as useless of a comment as the girl in this thread saying how it’s hot when a doctor or lawyer rambles on about something technical on a date. No, it’s hot when the doctor or lawyer is hot.…
/r/seduction07/05/25 07:27 PM
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Have heard the same about AI in Cancun. Seems tough to get an answer on the best ones to go to
/r/seduction07/05/25 12:10 AM
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this right here is the true problem a lot of guys dont understand they're aspiring toward you become what you practice, and racking up a ton of casual dates/sex just conditions you to want more of it. It is damn fun though which is also why it's so hard to stop once you're crushing it however LTR's are a ton of work so romanticizing that path is unrealistic too. It's not just "deep intimate feels" all the time. The truth is that motonony sets in and you have to keep that shit going for years and…
/r/seduction06/05/25 11:29 PM
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it is that deep actually because a lot of guys won't realize they're conditioning themselves to never be content with 1 woman this will only make sense if you get with a ton of women. Once you open pandora's box, goodluck going back unless you truly burn out completely
/r/seduction06/05/25 11:24 PM
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getting rated a "0" seems like a glitch. I've seen some below average dudes even pull off 5-6's at the least. 0 is insane and doesnt make sense
/r/seduction06/05/25 11:21 PM
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Posts like this just make me think: imagine women having to cold approach and do all the self improvement for things to happen lol If only the biggest hurdle as a man was being shy…
/r/seduction05/05/25 06:30 PM
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Maximize your looks as much as you can. It does a lot of the heavy lifting for you
/r/seduction05/05/25 06:27 PM
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nah IG is a great asset to have on your side these days. it can open doors you wouldn’t have had access to otherwise
/r/seduction05/05/25 06:25 PM
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I wasn’t blessed with knowing what i wanted to do like some people are, so It took me years to find that thing and tons of trial and error trying out things, failing, trying something else etc. I wanted to quit many, many times. There really is no shortcut but if you don’t continue to explore and take chances, you’ll never find it. Explore anything and everything that seems even remotely interesting, and then when you find something that captures you attention more than the others, stick with th…
/r/seduction04/05/25 08:09 PM
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it’s what drives you to get up every day The first time i felt this was having a business that was succeeding. I started feeling excited to get to work every day and other things took a backseat including dating. I had a higher priority and was driven toward a larger goal. You’ll also notice you tend to be more attractive overall in that state.
/r/seduction04/05/25 08:02 PM
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you need volume to get good, and the idea with night game is keep going until you find the one you can pull some interactions WILL go longer / you keep building that connection but they can also fall off suddenly (ie: friends cockblock or logistics get fucked) and you have to start over again
/r/seduction04/05/25 02:07 AM
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isn't the heat getting cranked up in Miami this time of year and hurricane season?
/r/seduction03/05/25 05:58 PM
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You haven’t experienced a woman who is truly on fire for you then
/r/seduction03/05/25 04:45 AM
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Guys in this thread are conflating a woman sleeping with you with her liking you, but the two can be unrelated A girl can use you for some dick for a time period and not actually like you that much OP is right when it comes to gauging genuine desire. Girls magically become a lot simpler when they’re truly into you It’s a pretty simple concept too because men do this as well. There’s no mixed signals when you truly like a girl and vice versa
/r/seduction02/05/25 11:50 PM
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Women don’t play hot and cold with dudes they truly desire
/r/seduction02/05/25 11:47 PM
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Nothing will test your frame like gaming in a war lol
/r/seduction01/05/25 08:01 PM
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They will all test you, but CONSTANTLY is a huge problem. She doesn’t like you if that’s the case So what’s it like to date someone who doesn’t like you? “Hell” is the answer, and you can observe a lot of average, married couples to see it in action
/r/seduction01/05/25 08:00 PM
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Yeah it’s more of a signal that you’re giving off a feminine or boyish vibe rather than just being attractive. It’s a net negative Women won’t call you gay if you actually have masculine presence or a masculine look to you on top of being attractive in general. I understand the idea behind guys saying it’s a compliment that can be used to your advantage, but there’s a larger signal at play and it shouldn’t be happening
/r/seduction01/05/25 07:58 PM
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you can make a ton of money with 20k followers so i’d say it qualifies
/r/seduction01/05/25 07:54 PM
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NYC is the place where every guy can win
/r/seduction01/05/25 07:43 PM
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The absolute best way is to be an influencer yourself (you don’t need a massive following either) and network. You’ll get in front of female influencers you would’ve never had a chance with otherwise and they view you entirely different than a random trying to hit on them Otherwise, you can run into them through dating apps sometimes or by approaching in major metro areas, but you better look good. By looking good i mean you better look like you COULD be an influencer if you wanted to Chicks who…
/r/seduction01/05/25 03:30 AM
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definitely true. It’s crazy all the hoops men have to jump through to pull some chick who relies on the man to create a good sexual experience because she sucks in bed lol
/r/seduction30/04/25 04:09 AM
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i get what you mean but this post is actually how it goes. Idk about this guy specifically but what he’s saying is definitely true in my experience
/r/seduction30/04/25 04:05 AM
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spot on
/r/seduction30/04/25 04:04 AM
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that only existed in fantasy. People have been sneaking off to hook up since the dawn of time, and that’s without getting into the kinky ass sexual practices of ancient times
/r/seduction30/04/25 04:04 AM
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Literally everything on this planet is geared toward reproducing, so yes
/r/seduction30/04/25 04:01 AM
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you summed up Latinas in general
/r/seduction29/04/25 06:10 PM
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Dread is effective but it’s a passive thing, ie: you work as a fashion photographer and your girl knows you’re around hot women day in and day out. You don’t flaunt it directly in her face, but she knows you’re capable of pulling attractive women and that those women likely want you So it doesn’t have anything to do with texting, it’s more so that she’s aware she could potentially lose you and you’re desirable to other women and it provokes competition anxiety
/r/seduction28/04/25 09:41 PM
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Money / lifestyle, and that's primarily the way to get LEGIT 10s even if you are in shape. Physique won't do it unless you're really in IG fitness model shape and very good looking overall. Otherwise it's just removing a weakness which is important because fat guys are absolutely doomed with them, but it's not going to secure you 10s on its own either
/r/seduction28/04/25 08:43 PM
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Usually better to play it safe and keep the first date low stakes / low expectations / safer to agree to. this
/r/seduction28/04/25 08:41 PM
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Agreed and you can really see these issues amplified on dating apps. The conversation dynamic in that 21-25 range is drastically different than 26-30. You have to move fast and the flakiness is much higher I think Tiktok brain plays a role with that age group too. Their brains were accustomed to fast hits of dopamine, short attention spans, and losing interest in things quickly
/r/seduction26/04/25 05:15 PM
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yep spot on. The myth that cold approach is better because it's not as looks focused is ridiculous. They're going to judge you off your looks as soon as you walk up just like on a dating app. If you don't hit the threshold, it's over. Your game means zero
/r/seduction26/04/25 05:03 PM
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I'd add "Another guy in her life already" to this list too. It's difficult to find legitimately hot women who aren't emotionally involved with another dude already
/r/seduction26/04/25 04:59 PM
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this is the realest post in this thread and it's also why guys who say "just be honest about wanting something casual" have no idea what they're talking about It takes a degree of deception to get a lot of hookups. You have to play the game, hence being a "player"
/r/seduction26/04/25 04:58 PM
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I think your guys call it monkey branching or something like that Monkey branching is lining up the next guy to jump to ex: Girl is in a relationship with guy A, she is attracted to guy B and flirts with him to see how receptive he may be to her if she chooses to leave guy A, then once she feels like it's a good option and success is guaranteed (or she's already hooked up/cheated with him to know so), she leaves guy A and goes directly to guy B
/r/seduction26/04/25 04:56 PM
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You always have great posts. which gives you the skill to be able to meet women ANYWHERE. With this part, wouldn't that essentially be cold approaching to meet women, though? By gaining the skill to meet women anywhere, isn't that essentially equipping you with the ability to cold approach anywhere to meet women? lol, hope that makes sense
/r/seduction26/04/25 04:53 PM
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this is the way
/r/seduction26/04/25 01:25 AM
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You’re definitely right and these guys will eventually find that out, but they’ll have to live it first to get it out of their system. One of the unfortunate things about life is you can share your experience with another person but you can’t make them feel it. The guys that aren’t getting sex will continue to feel like it’s the only thing that matters, not realizing it’s just a carrot on a stick and an illusion.
/r/seduction25/04/25 01:53 PM
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Yeah i’ve been trying to figure out the origins of this too. It has to be the effect of digital communication making people careless since they can dodge situations from afar without confrontation, and social media/dating apps creating the illusion of there being more options than there actually are. I also personally think the rise of Tiktok destroyed things because it went crazy around the pandemic and that made quick access to videos more accessible, and dating content being consumed more tha…
/r/seduction24/04/25 07:54 PM
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This is the actual answer. The charismatic fun ones stand out like crazy because of it, they’re just rare
/r/seduction24/04/25 02:14 AM
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Yeah ghosting as a whole is getting worse over time. Women are flakier than ever now and it’s not due to a lack of being cocky funny. Advice on being more engaging and charismatic on dates can be helpful, but really a lot of ghosting has nothing to do with you. If you’ve dated pre-pandemic or better yet, beyond that into the mid 2000s, there’s been a clear pattern of women getting flakier over time. Attention spans are short and the illusion of options is high.
/r/seduction23/04/25 02:14 PM
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finally someone says it about attractive women instead of the virtue signaling nonsense or fake alpha bs that gets pushed online nonstop You can tell who actually goes outside and deals with legit attractive women and who is just spouting theory online
/r/seduction22/04/25 02:32 AM
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I appreciate your guys appreciation of each other
/r/seduction20/04/25 02:26 PM
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That part about approaching guys they know they can get and not the ones they’re most attracted to is spot on. Guys should pay attention to that
/r/seduction20/04/25 02:17 PM
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Yeah to add to this, i’d say women actually give less signals and approach less due to intimidation. The better looking you are, the more you are associated with being a player or out of a girls league so they won’t bother unless they have an easy way in, such as you’re working a job where they can easily talk to you, or a friend introduced you guys etc But cold approach from an attractive woman will rarely ever happen so don’t expect it. Unattractive girls will shoot their shot though
/r/seduction20/04/25 02:14 PM
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preach
/r/seduction20/04/25 01:59 AM
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Inefficiency is way higher with day game though and the time:reward ratio is skewed heavily
/r/seduction19/04/25 05:27 AM
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Just need to learn the online game. Once you learn the ins and outs of it and have a system that works, it doesn’t take much effort and you can filter the flakes pretty easily. Sudden drop offs can still happen but that’s the same as meeting irl too. The advantage to online is you save so much time
/r/seduction19/04/25 05:27 AM
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yeah i have no idea why it’s so commonly preached as “the way” It makes me wonder if people are actually doing it or just parroting advice to do it because they saw someone else say so online
/r/seduction19/04/25 05:24 AM
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Yeah avoiding women isn’t going to fix your self esteem. You’re going to come back and be right back where you started You need to address the self esteem, and yes that means evolving into a better version of yourself because that is not serving you in anyway This idea of “im not changing myself and shouldn’t have to” is what will leave you stuck. The truth is, yes you need to change some things about yourself
/r/seduction18/04/25 06:59 PM
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Agreed. I still don’t see the point in cold approaching outside of the self improvement benefits (confidence, overcoming fear etc). In terms of being a reliable source of dates consistently, it is wildly inefficient
/r/seduction18/04/25 04:26 PM
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Spot on and good example
/r/seduction18/04/25 04:20 PM
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To add to this, women will often tell you who they are early on so listen up. In another thread about ghosting a couple guys mentioned the girls “joking” about being avoidant or running away from the guy, but then they did exactly that. Girls arent joking around when they tell you their true colors early on or mention little things in passing. All the details matter
/r/seduction18/04/25 02:22 PM
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You can safely bet it’s another guy in the picture, and most likely one that came back. They’re always talking to someone and never entirely solo and yeah agreed it’s a warzone in 2025. People are more careless than ever
/r/seduction18/04/25 02:17 PM
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that’s weird asf
/r/seduction16/04/25 02:33 PM
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70s…bruh what. More people in this thread should be calling this out
/r/seduction16/04/25 05:21 AM
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I’d forget about the concept entirely. It’s too easy to overshoot it, especially now when women are way more aware of game
/r/seduction16/04/25 05:10 AM
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Dumping as much effort as possible into maximizing my look. It does most of the work for you Understanding the fact that if you genuinely create the most well rounded version of yourself and lead an interesting life, it has a magnetic effect with women becuse you carry yourself entirely differently From there, escalating every date no matter what and making it a goal to do so And volume is everything because the modern dating scene is so insanely flaky that if you aren’t running high volume you’…
/r/seduction14/04/25 04:34 PM
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honestly he outlined things that are just good social skills in general if it’s coming from the frame of “i really want her to like me” then yeah, that’s wack But getting people to talk about themselves and understanding how to keep a conversation in a zone that is relatable and gives the other person things to build off of and have a good time is just good social skills in general and that translates to good game with the right internal perspective behind it
/r/seduction14/04/25 03:23 AM
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Same here. When i’ve asked women, at first they will say they get approached a lot. Then i clarify, an actual decent approach, not some drunk dude offering to buy a drink or saying something dumb and getting blown out right away That’s when they say, “oh…basically never”
/r/seduction09/04/25 05:52 AM
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you desensitize yourself by approaching so much and so often that you no longer care and become fully expressed that is the only answer and the only way to “not give a fuck” either. everything else is bullshit and avoiding what you actually need to do
/r/seduction09/04/25 12:27 AM
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gyms aren’t risky at all if you just converse like a normal person and keep it light / casual if she’s receptive, ask her out gym stuff isn’t a big deal at all like how the internet portrays
/r/seduction09/04/25 12:25 AM
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lol you can pull so much from the gym just because other guys are scared i love that this advice continues to get parroted
/r/seduction08/04/25 10:15 PM
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post and do it over and over once you get in motion and make it a habit you actually commit to that’ll solve your problem you’re just not committing to it for real. If i said post every day for a year and i’ll pay you 5 million dollars, you would suddenly have no problems posting on ig
/r/seduction08/04/25 10:14 PM
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it’s actually really easy because once the photos are done you’re set compare that to approaching week in and week out. FAR more time invested
/r/seduction08/04/25 10:11 PM
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It’s always intriguing how most people get rejected by the ones they actually want. I wonder why that is exactly
/r/seduction08/04/25 08:44 PM
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Good post and that last part is important to emphasize in this community where it’s very easy to get lost in the pursuit of more and more. More girls, more lays, more validation etc, because it IS fun. It is a great time and a dopamine/adrenaline rush, but it ultimately doesn’t mean a whole lot either and you reach a point where you realize it was actually just always about you and elevating yourself as a man, not the women
/r/seduction08/04/25 08:41 PM
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Well it’s not the friendzone thing that gets pushed a lot, instead guys will push the idea that a second date won’t happen unless you at least get a kiss-close out of it and the girl will view you as too timid
/r/seduction05/04/25 07:32 PM
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That’s not what it is because that would imply you could act any way you want and win as long as you don’t give af but that isn’t how it is you have to be calibrated and quick to adapt on the fly for a variety of scenarios you might face. Not giving af isn’t going to solve that all on its own
/r/seduction05/04/25 02:18 AM
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Women are far pickier and will axe a guy for stepping on an invisible landmine, and most guys hit those landmines Men are the opposite and if the chick is remotely attractive, they’re sold And many guys feel like they already know how to talk to women and won’t admit they don’t due to ego
/r/seduction05/04/25 02:13 AM
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Yeah comfort and surprising them by being different than they expected (usually more depth) is the only thing i’ve found to mitigate things. I’ve thought about testing different fashion styles too and dressing down to see if it has any effect. Beyond that there’s only so much you can do (to my knowledge)
/r/seduction04/04/25 02:35 PM
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Yeah that first part is very true. I asked a girl one time what gave her that vibe and she goes “it’s your look, your swagger, your voice, the way you talk, everything” It’s hard to shed that perception and the only way i’ve found to counter it is balancing it with more down to earth conversation and not acting like you’re in a rush at all and maybe not even escalating first date (but then you run the risk of a girl feeling like you didn’t live up to the sexual vibe she got from you appearing li…
/r/seduction04/04/25 04:39 AM
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Yeah they’re pretty tapped into anything that beats around the bush now. They’re looking for “i’m looking for a relationship” or the alarms get set off otherwise (assuming she’s not looking for a hookup)
/r/seduction04/04/25 04:36 AM
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Wtf is so hard to understand about that? He teaches nonsense and is a scammer at best. What is hard to understand about that?
/r/seduction01/04/25 10:20 PM
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Highly suspicious that you’re a shill for him He teaches nothing of value
/r/seduction01/04/25 08:30 PM
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Yeah most guys on here just lack general charisma Typical seduction community post: how do i pull the girl back to my place? or why do girls keep flaking when i get their #? Then you talk to them and realize they speak like a robot and/or radiate nervous feminine energy. It’s like dude, you’re focused on the wrong thing entirely
/r/seduction01/04/25 07:13 PM
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What’s funny is guys won’t read this or think it’s common sense, then turn around and make the mistake of not doing these things and while not understanding it’s a big deal One of the biggest reasons these communities even exist is male ego prevents guys from actually learning and analyzing their own shortcomings. So these communities will continue to exist and coaches will be rich because most guys are morons Good post
/r/seduction01/04/25 07:08 PM
2

John Anthony might be the biggest liar and slanderous dirtbag in the scene and that’s saying something
/r/seduction01/04/25 07:03 PM
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the average dude won’t have 1 girl approach him let alone 150 so you’re either in a position of status or lying. Stop bashing PUAs and youtubers for having fraudulent ideas when you’re pushing the same thing For the average guy, they have to run volume for both skill acquisition and to control their own destiny because the women aren’t coming to them Most attractive women aren’t coming to a good looking guy either unless he’s in a position of status Numbers game is not an outdated idea..it appli…
/r/seduction30/03/25 07:56 PM
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Hahaha
/r/seduction29/03/25 06:07 PM
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Inner game doesn't build without having evidence that you're capable of getting results, and looks plays a massive role in that. You can practice all the mindset stuff you want but you can't convince yourself to be confident and strong mentally if you don't have any evidence that you're capable It is the one of the few things fully in your control with this as well, so it should be maximized. Inner game and everything else becomes so much easier it's a joke
/r/seduction28/03/25 03:02 PM
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No he is exactly right actually. It always goes that way and it creates the best dynamic
/r/seduction28/03/25 02:14 AM
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1) A lot of stuff online is too gamey. I got the most results from basic conversation with some physical escalation mixed in. Qualifiers and all this stuff...too much to remember in the moment and can make you come off weird 2) Realizing a lot of women aren't worth the time makes you genuinely not care and be more care free with everything, thus more attractive
/r/seduction28/03/25 12:15 AM
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I'll one-up that to 90% If you can become an 8/10+, you'll be blown away at how receptive most girls are and how far looks get you Any guy reading this should be putting a vast majority of his time into optimizing his look
/r/seduction28/03/25 12:11 AM
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lol
/r/seduction24/03/25 08:40 PM
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because the largest demographic of men who struggle are typically the tech bro / doctor analytical type who already has money, goes to the gym, and a nice car but can’t get a date because his communication and vibe is awful Otherwise if it just took a car and gym, those guys would be crushing
/r/seduction24/03/25 07:29 PM
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underrated comment in my experience, guys who do this usually can’t stand being alone
/r/seduction24/03/25 07:19 PM
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truth
/r/seduction24/03/25 07:18 PM
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eh some courses are legit. The real value is in 1 on 1 coaching though. Many dudes have poor self awareness and have no idea where their blindspots are / continue to engrain bad patterns which is why these forums have existed for decades now
/r/seduction21/03/25 11:51 PM
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same dude that said he banged like 60 girls last year
/r/seduction20/03/25 07:20 PM
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No one is going to be able to figure it out from a reddit post bro. Better to work with an experienced coach 1 on 1
/r/seduction19/03/25 05:12 AM
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you really think that’s the solution? karma? lol
/r/seduction19/03/25 05:11 AM
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this. It’s simple to film a bunch of approaches and only post the one that went well and then on top of that, no one knows that the girl flaked and never followed up…but men lap it up anyway because they want to be “that guy”
/r/seduction19/03/25 03:53 AM
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The complaint of “the ones i want don’t want me” is an interesting phenomenon i’ve heard a million times in the last year on both sides..both men and women saying this I wonder what the deeper cause is exactly or if it’s more of a mindgame where we tend to simply focus on what we can’t have
/r/seduction19/03/25 03:51 AM
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fr TDN has me convinced Latin America is the promise land at this point 😂
/r/seduction18/03/25 10:13 PM
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yup spot on with the ratings. Get tired of dudes acting like a 7 is some average chick or doing the opposite and rating the cute cashier a 9
/r/seduction18/03/25 07:14 PM
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women do the same thing though..even worse at times I was with a group at a bar and this girl was telling a story about dude she hooked up with recently and how he had a small dick and he “wasn’t cute enough to deal with a dick that small” dude got reduced down to his dick size versus anything about him as a person
/r/seduction18/03/25 07:11 PM
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yeah there’s some truth to this and the internet will try and say it’s a “you” problem and your frame isn’t strong enough etc which could be true in some cases, but those girls definitely carry themselves differently from all the attention they get
/r/seduction18/03/25 07:10 PM
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yeah once you get to 10 bodies you should know everything you need to know about sex and hooking up. It’s very repetitive from there and is really just an ego exercise to see how hot they can get, how many you can get etc. The guys that flex high body counts mainly have issues with ego and/or insecurities attempting to fill a void
/r/seduction18/03/25 07:08 PM
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Night game is pretty much pull or die. You have to make something happen that night or there’s an extremely high chance they flake
/r/seduction18/03/25 03:53 PM
1

Yeah the just be yourself advice is absolutely horrendous
/r/seduction17/03/25 02:15 AM
8

Modest girl with good style is 🔥
/r/seduction15/03/25 09:34 PM
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“no thanks i’m done with the gym” is why you’re going to continue to struggle Your attitude just sucks. That’s the truth Hire help and realize that all of your goals are possible with the right knowledge mixed with action and accountability. You aren’t some special snowflake who can’t gain muscle, you’re just doing it wrong You also don’t need to “bulk,” it’s more about training correctly for progressive overload and eating slightly over maintenance. The training part matters the most though and…
/r/seduction15/03/25 03:31 PM
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A lot of men who are complete beginners are pretty bad at implementing free advice. I’ve seen this firsthand where they’ll think they’re delivering an opener the right way, but the tonality and the speed of their speech is completely wrong, plus their body language sucks It takes a coach to actually do it right unless you have good social and self awareness, and a lot of guys just don’t have that (which is why they’re here)
/r/seduction15/03/25 03:26 PM
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it’s what people living in reality say your game means shit if she doesn’t find you attractive
/r/seduction15/03/25 03:23 PM
1

opposite experience here. Opener that catches her eye, brief banter and close has landed me a ton of dates going on about interests, her studies etc is going to get most guys ghosted
/r/seduction14/03/25 03:58 AM
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just start making content on one of the big platforms teaching others
/r/seduction13/03/25 10:28 PM
0

yeah reads like a PUA book from 1998
/r/seduction13/03/25 07:13 PM
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💯
/r/seduction12/03/25 08:17 PM
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Someone recently asked what’s the best way to purely date for hookups and there were the typical politically correct responses of “just tell her upfront you want casual only,” and only 2 guys in the entire thread were realistic and said, “you have to lead them on and make them think there’s a possibility of a relationship” That’s the real answer most guys don’t discuss in these threads where they have reports of sleeping with 60 girls in a year etc. Telling women upfront you want casual is going…
/r/seduction12/03/25 06:20 PM
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yeah this is a great description of the number scale and how i view it as well. This is also why it’s stupid when guys say “so there’s this 10 at my job…” that girl isn’t a 10 bro
/r/seduction12/03/25 03:23 PM
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your ex ain’t shit
/r/seduction12/03/25 03:21 PM
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yeah facts. I’ve done LTRs and also a long time being single running up the numbers and it will absolutely change your perspective on things and ability to make connections
/r/seduction12/03/25 01:20 AM
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yeah that’s actually an interesting thing no one ever talks about with these posts…the dynamic and follow up. From my own experience and knowing guys with high body counts, there’s always some “leading the girl on” that happens at some point
/r/seduction12/03/25 01:16 AM
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I assume you speak fluent Spanish? Could someone who only speaks English make it work well?
/r/seduction12/03/25 01:12 AM
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the coach part is completely wrong sounds like you’ve never had a good coach
/r/seduction12/03/25 01:07 AM
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Yeah dating app brain is a real thing. It conditions everyone to just look for the next option the odds of finding a quality gf on a dating app is slim to none. It attracts a lot of avoidants too I say this as someone who does extremely well on dating apps and have dated a lot of very attractive women off there There are some quality girls, but it’s definitely not the norm whatsoever. It’s mainly good for casual dating or working on your date skills / text game
/r/seduction12/03/25 01:04 AM
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sounds like you haven’t dated women
/r/seduction12/03/25 12:53 AM
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OP shoot me a DM if you’d like and i’d be down to give feedback/ideas for you from a place of experience + helping men and some women You’re going to get a lot of angry incel types here because most of the good posters are gone. There’s only a few left
/r/seduction09/03/25 06:35 AM
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The answer you’re looking for is that the skills to approach irl are a different skillset than running dates from online dating You have to treat it like it’s an entirely new pursuit because it’s not the same skillset. You have to practice it and in volume Look up Total Obligation 371’s post on this
/r/seduction09/03/25 06:31 AM
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Yeah online game is a gold mine once you dial it in
/r/seduction09/03/25 06:29 AM
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the last one is worth emphasizing with the uprise of videos and content telling guys to sexualize over text to screen if a girl is DTF By sexualizing, you’ll blow out the conversation far more often than not by doing that and miss out on the most attractive girls. the exception being if they sexualize first but even then tread lightly
/r/seduction05/03/25 11:32 PM
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Dope, appreciate the breakdown man. I’ve always been more of a slow burn guy too so will give it a go
/r/seduction05/03/25 02:20 AM
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Solid post..IG game is interesting and not talked about much despite the mantra of it being the biggest dating app in the world etc
/r/seduction04/03/25 05:44 PM
2

question for you and u/Tiway22 What’s the process like exactly? you guys add mutual connections, then swipe up on a story and open that way / run it like a dating app convo from there or ? Also do you ever do the “like 3-5 photos to get her attention” thing or just simply follow and judge off whether she follows back or not? I wonder about this part because of the idea that you may get lost in her notifications or if she’s reduced multiple follows lately..she may be interested she just didn’t se…
/r/seduction04/03/25 05:38 PM
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Too bad most of the advice on cod approach is so bad on the internet What advice would you say is bad and what lead to you "cracking the code?"
/r/seduction01/03/25 07:27 AM
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your competition is tremendous because they're primarily looking for the hottest guys. theres like 5 legit hot guys in most cities on dating apps. Create a female profile on a dating app and see what i mean. all the profiles are awful
/r/seduction01/03/25 07:17 AM
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Don’t be cocky and overconfident, they’ll see right through it this
/r/seduction01/03/25 07:16 AM
1

Good post. I'm not a black piller, but honestly I think your look is 90% of the game. It's just too powerful once you really max it out and see the effects. A lot of "game" goes out the window Developing your overall charisma and not simping is the last 10%
/r/seduction01/03/25 07:13 AM
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Look up Nick Vujicic and his wife
/r/seduction01/03/25 07:12 AM
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tbh i never come across these extreme standards women have. I think it depends on your city and demographic, but 99% of the women i come across don't have any outlandish demands. Its usually just be self sufficient and be a masculine man I also don't live in Miami or NYC though
/r/seduction01/03/25 07:10 AM
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might want to clarify to what degree to validate her specialness or examples a lot of nice guy types will go full blown validation mode
/r/seduction27/02/25 07:44 PM
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wish more people would acknowledge this 90% of posts on here wouldn’t exist if so be physically attractive + have a good vibe to you, come across the girls who are into you..that’s basically the game
/r/seduction27/02/25 07:38 PM
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Surprised at all the negative responses here..most of this is spot on and not the usual chatGPT posts here
/r/seduction27/02/25 04:59 AM
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That’s the thing though, you’re viewing the situation as being something special or requiring a different set of tips and tricks. It’s more so the fact that general game and what works with approaching any girl is the same thing that will work in that scenario That’s why you’re going to get generalized replies. There’s nothing actually different or special about that versus talking to a girl in line at the grocery store etc Same methods Only thing i’d say is single moms get attached fast and if …
/r/seduction26/02/25 11:33 PM
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facts. Even some of the guys that look good and have their life together communicate in a way that is pathetic They want 9s and 10s but come off like a 3
/r/seduction26/02/25 02:11 AM
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1 if you want to waste money on girls 3 otherwise
/r/seduction26/02/25 02:02 AM
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lmfao truth
/r/seduction26/02/25 02:01 AM
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" Put cool things in there that show who you are." "a pack of pens" lol
/r/seduction26/02/25 02:00 AM
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who says magicians dont attract women? thats incredibly random
/r/seduction26/02/25 01:54 AM
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this isnt helpful advice at all for a guy in this situation
/r/seduction26/02/25 01:50 AM
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I’m not the best at texting and would rather call and I’m ngl I’m not the best at playing social/dating games. It’s too hard and egotistical this is the issue then You need to improve your texting and understand the 'games' because there is a mating dance of sorts for every species including humans. No way around it otherwise you could just walk up to random girls and go "hey wanna fuck" and that would be it
/r/seduction26/02/25 01:48 AM
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you're not understanding what hes saying. he's absolutely right
/r/seduction26/02/25 01:47 AM
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facts
/r/seduction26/02/25 01:40 AM
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my thought as well. Being mysterious is actually a really dumb concept that got pushed too much Actually having value > being "mysterious" Tips in this post are good in general, but the idea of being mysterious needs to be thrown out the window at this point
/r/seduction24/02/25 09:56 PM
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yeah dating advice is one of those things where you need experience in order to understand what advice is good or bad This advice is completely unsustainable and you actually just attract/keep women with a ton of mental and emotional problems. also you'll never pull the hottest or highest quality girls you could by following this advice. You are inherently capping yourself to lower quality women The strategy becomes the liability
/r/seduction24/02/25 09:52 PM
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Be of higher social status than her. this alone is more powerful than 3922392 PUA seduction techniques
/r/seduction24/02/25 09:50 PM
1

this right here
/r/seduction24/02/25 09:41 PM
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i’ll raise you one and add “i wanted to say hi”
/r/seduction24/02/25 02:12 AM
1

shoutout from Shabba for the username
/r/seduction24/02/25 02:12 AM
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ya this has been my experience too as a guy. The first girl you open will typically be “given the floor” by the other girls in the group and the others will back off I know it’s a Mystery method thing but i’ve not found it to be effective irl
/r/seduction22/02/25 03:14 PM
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yeah this story is weird
/r/seduction20/02/25 02:54 PM
1

this is the realest answer. Most won’t say this out of fear of being shamed or virtue signaling, but this is how it’s always been
/r/seduction17/02/25 05:44 AM
1

you sound like a black pilled who just watches videos and reads theory all day instead of actually getting in the field and putting in real volume
/r/seduction17/02/25 05:43 AM
1

yep this is the way and the only solution
/r/seduction16/02/25 08:48 AM
1

this girl is already giving you a layup dude just set it
/r/seduction16/02/25 04:01 AM
2

self talk like this is HIGHLY underrated
/r/seduction15/02/25 01:11 AM
2

yup agreed which is why i think it’s goofy when guys recommend the “mode one” book and approach
/r/seduction14/02/25 07:08 PM
1

Tbh if guys actually followed this schedule consistently it would eliminate half the questions on here
/r/seduction14/02/25 07:04 PM
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Real ones know this advice is actually spot on. At the end of the day women want that primal masculine energy Never forget we are animals first boys..it goes a long way
/r/seduction14/02/25 03:01 AM
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Understood, but no i haven’t noticed a difference and LTRs/FWBs have typically come from online
/r/seduction12/02/25 04:28 AM
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playful isnt the problem. playful is necessary otherwise you just have some weird interaction that is overly gamey or stoic the friendly part is where you're going wrong and you overcome that by showing more sexual intent, push pulls, and teasing (both physical and verbal)
/r/seduction12/02/25 02:03 AM
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Guys record infield etc and have text logs if you pull a girl and actually land a date so i wanted to ask because everyone always says cold approach but rarely does anyone actually provide any proof i could bring up tons of text logs of girls ive had dates with off apps and their photos right now
/r/seduction11/02/25 11:04 PM
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I don’t believe 55% have approached. I think it’s less than 10% have approached The next time you’re out take note of how many guys actually approach a woman. It’s basically zero unless it’s some wasted guy making a sloppy approach at a crowded bar
/r/seduction11/02/25 07:17 PM
1

Honestly I can't say that I have. I've had girls that were really high interest on the date after meeting online, and I've had girls through cold approach that had a good interaction for 20 mins+, things went well in text, then got flaky when it came time for the date I've also had the opposite in both scenarios (low interest after meeting online, high interest after an approach), but overall my conclusion is there is no reliable correlation between the length or quality of the interaction in-pe…
/r/seduction11/02/25 07:02 PM
2

oh i meant ive been a slayer of apps for awhile and know you're dropping gems here. i've discovered the same patterns that you shared in the OP
/r/seduction11/02/25 06:54 PM
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the 5/10 is going to be getting crushed just as badly because he won't even get in the door to say anything in the first place Ignoring that fact is ignoring how girls will select off a glance at first. I'm around women in their 20s and 30s all day and watch them say "ew" and "he's ugly" before guys can even get a word out. PUAs preach that the 5/10 has the best chance cold approaching because it sells THe 5/10 would be better of maximizing his look and boosting himself up to a 7 and then choosi…
/r/seduction11/02/25 07:56 AM
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Then get good photos. It's not difficult and once you have them youre good to go
/r/seduction11/02/25 07:54 AM
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10 times better in terms of looks or overall? With looks i’ve found it cancels out in a way. What i mean is that there are girls through cold approach that are hot and only accessible that way, but same with dating apps. There’s certain girls you can pull off Hinge that you won’t run into irl so they both have that benefit in a way, one just takes way less time than the other In terms of overall quality, it’s a stranger either way so it’s a dice roll. She could be a mental case or not, who knows…
/r/seduction11/02/25 07:48 AM
1

yeah
/r/seduction11/02/25 07:40 AM
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I'm always extremely skeptical of the guys promoting cold approach online because i dont think many of them actually do it If they did they'd most likely quit very quickly from the sheer time investment and rejection/flake rate. The efficiency of something like online dating vs cold approach is a bit of a joke. You can crush on apps with <5 mins per day invested Other problems with cold approach are the hottest girls (daygame especially) typically have a bf already or their guard is up. You're a…
/r/seduction11/02/25 01:26 AM
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Cold approach is just as reliant on looks because you're a stranger approaching and that's all she has to go off of at first. a 5/10 dude in terms of looks isn't going to do well cold approaching
/r/seduction11/02/25 01:23 AM
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It's the internet and 99% of advice is bad. The other 1% are the guys that actually have success in the field and many of them have left subs like this already. There are a few around here that are good though Dating advice is tough if you dont have experience because it takes experience to be able to identify what actually works The rest is generic advice that most guys dont even use themselves like "just say hey" and "just cold approach dude"
/r/seduction11/02/25 12:54 AM
2

If you had to narrow it down, what specifically was life changing for you between therapy and the book for detaching yourself from female validation?
/r/seduction11/02/25 12:28 AM
1

show me proof of you pulling hot girls from cold approach and actually getting laid
/r/seduction11/02/25 12:15 AM
2

as a slayer of dating apps, OP just gave you guys free game
/r/seduction10/02/25 11:50 PM
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you can’t really slide in DMs anymore though due to the request folder. Chances are high that she will legit never see it only way i’ve found is if you follow each other and swipe up on a story, but then that ruins the “randoms” part since she has to follow
/r/seduction09/02/25 06:55 PM
1

she was never in the not interested category, thats just what you interpreted it as and likely due to your difficulty in reading social cues due to autism. A girl can feign disinterest and be in the neutral zone Just like an obese woman isn't going to swoon you with any game, you're never going to convert a chick from zero interest to interested
/r/seduction09/02/25 07:29 AM
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That’s the point, she’s not going to be somewhat invested in your life no matter what you do. She’s not interested A hot girl won’t give a shit about some unattractive dude trying to stir her emotions, and if she does, she was already in the “maybe” zone
/r/seduction07/02/25 12:18 AM
3

yeah wtf is this post
/r/seduction07/02/25 12:16 AM
1

The underlying principle is good (abundance) but this application is goofy. She absolutely spun the narrative, and to say “he didn’t even bother to she a condom” and framing that as a negative she was a victim of while never alluding to the sex not being consensual is crazy Assuming it was consensual, she banged a guy without a condom because she wanted to dude
/r/seduction07/02/25 12:15 AM
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10,000 is still a shitload. If you approached 10 per day that would be 3650 in a year. Would take you ~3 years to even get through them all and you’d stop way before then because you’d find multiple girls you’d like and vice versa The number isn’t as big but the concept is still relevant: there’s more than you could ever get through The best part is that it’s uneven. There’s less competition on the male side. There’s more suitable female options than male due to how inept the average guy is
/r/seduction06/02/25 12:23 AM
1

What’s ironic is you probably still don’t have good style lol. Most guys hear these tips and never implement them or do it poorly
/r/seduction06/02/25 12:21 AM
1

Exhaustion is a sign of over investment and/or needing a break If you’re exhausted after getting 2 girls in a month it sounds like you’re definitely over invested or going about the process in an inefficient way. 1 month is nothing AND you had above average results
/r/seduction04/02/25 03:08 AM
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It’ll never go away because you opened Pandora’s Box and you can’t unsee what you’ve seen / lived Plus the biggest problem of all is that it’s an addiction tied to your biology. Your natural wiring says mate with attractive women and that isn’t going away as long as you have testosterone in your veins You have to learn to be content with your choices and enforce discipline to stick with the path if that’s what you want. It’s like anything else. Drug addicts get cravings for years after quitting …
/r/seduction31/01/25 08:46 PM
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Don't just read dating advice books. Read relationship advice books. ehh you gotta tread lightly with the relationship advice books because a lot of them will give fluffy mainstream advice that can dig your own grave in a relationship or have a very fem-centric viewpoint. If you can find a solid masculine viewpoint grounded in reality, then yeah it can be valuable Long term relationships are really about seducing the girl over and over again. The "never stop dating your girl" thing has a lot of …
/r/seduction29/01/25 11:49 PM
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The challenges come when the girl is sure of your morals and ethics this doesn't make sense. a preselected guy will crush regardless of his morals and ethics being known The easiest way to reveal your morals is by taking the lead and setting boundaries as most incompetent dating coaches would tell you to do You can be a complete dirtbag and take the lead/set boundaries...in fact thats what a player does. a player sure as hell isnt operating in her frame, nor is he worried about his morals and et…
/r/seduction29/01/25 11:04 PM
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Dope, same experience here for the most part. Hinge is a gold mine..haven’t tried a kink app though. any recommendations there? Lifestyle is underrated too. Doing manly shit permeates through your entire aura and energy you give off. most here don’t get that
/r/seduction29/01/25 08:30 PM
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You have to get way more detailed than that dude. What parts of the date are going well, what parts aren’t etc
/r/seduction29/01/25 03:54 PM
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Can’t tell if you’re trolling, but if you’re not, i assume you use social media and/or social circle to have girls come to you then?
/r/seduction29/01/25 03:44 PM
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good quote but doesn’t have anything to do with what he asked
/r/seduction29/01/25 03:42 PM
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i think you're drunk dude. nothing you're saying is making any sense as a response to what i said
/r/seduction29/01/25 02:55 AM
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agreed. that guys logic makes zero sense you end up in person with the girl its just the medium you meet that is digital
/r/seduction29/01/25 12:36 AM
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never takes long to find the "get off the apps" guy as i just set 3 dates today on hinge lol
/r/seduction29/01/25 12:36 AM
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are you replying to the right person? your post doesnt make sense in relation to what i said
/r/seduction29/01/25 12:35 AM
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100%
/r/seduction25/01/25 07:49 PM
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yeah on my scale, 5 means average, so 7 is still 2 points above average so that should mean shes still cute and sexually attractive to you I'll take a 7 with a dope personality over a 9 that is a headache any day of the week. Plus the 7 will become even more attractive to you because of her treatment toward you
/r/seduction25/01/25 07:48 PM
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that’s the issue..you guys want 9s and 10s out of ego but don’t like what comes with them take the 7 who will give you kings treatment and your life will be much easier
/r/seduction25/01/25 04:52 PM
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Some women go out with the intention of getting laid and any guy who is "good enough" will do. A lot of ONS is just about being in the right place at the right time I knew a guy who landed a threesome one night with 2 girls I knew just because the girls thought it'd be fun to try it. Right place at the right time
/r/seduction25/01/25 02:25 AM
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The entire dating advice industry preaching that "real game" is being able to raise a woman's interest and seduce her fuels this too A lot of game is actually just an illusion. Some of it is legit because you can't just talk like a dumbass to any girl and get laid, but realistically you're just talking to a lot of different women to see who has significant interest in you Trying to raise interest or thinking of game tactics to do so is such a waste of time. When you experience a girl who is trul…
/r/seduction25/01/25 02:22 AM
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yeah i hear about these guys but never see them if you can show me a 5'6 average looking guy that pulls attractive girls consistently from cold approach im all ears
/r/seduction25/01/25 12:58 AM
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I firmly believe it only fails for guys who don’t try. Once you learn what makes a photo attractive, optimize your look, and understand bios/prompts every guy can get something going OLD (with good photos) is reflective of your overall level of attractiveness too. If you can’t get anything going on OLD with a good profile, you’re going to get crushed cold approaching Plus cold approaching has a much more brutal learning curve. There’s a lot to it to actually be good at it and rely on it as a sou…
/r/seduction24/01/25 06:29 PM
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agreed but the internet is obsessed with cold approach for some reason makes me wonder how many guys actually do it consistently and how much of that is just cope because they couldn’t get OLD to work
/r/seduction24/01/25 04:14 PM
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thanks!
/r/seduction23/01/25 08:32 PM
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I get that its "alpha" to get girls to come straight to your place without any dates, but some of these women are crazy af and you dont realize it until you spend some time with them
/r/seduction23/01/25 06:44 AM
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A Hinge study found that travel photos increase likes by 30%, but only 3.4% of men include them Have a link to this study?
/r/seduction23/01/25 06:41 AM
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right but the OP said daygame, not OLD
/r/seduction22/01/25 09:53 PM
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AD thinks cold approach is a waste of time. His brand is built around online game. He doesn’t preach that
/r/seduction22/01/25 08:54 PM
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“Be yourself” is always awful a close second would be, “Just ignore them and play an aloof game, then they’ll come to you”
/r/seduction22/01/25 08:53 PM
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I can ask 10 guys i know right now if they’d like an attractive woman to approach them and every single one would say yes The attractive part is the variable. If you’re not their type they won’t be into it. Same goes for women. Women want attractive men to approach, not unattractive guys An attractive girl approaching us makes our lives easier. We aren’t turning that down
/r/seduction22/01/25 08:51 PM
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i actually appreciate direct women. I respect it because most women just sit there passively which is wack, but thats the game
/r/seduction22/01/25 06:51 AM
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??? he's talking about perceived value and it's very real
/r/seduction22/01/25 06:30 AM
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These scenarios are usually a lack of connection or the girl has another dude But assuming the first, it comes back to game and conversational ability we have no idea how engaging your conversation is on dates so it’s impossible to say, but i suspect there’s a lack of fun, flirty vibe with some deeper convo / push pull sprinkled in that leads to a memorable date
/r/seduction22/01/25 03:11 AM
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Agreed.. but you have to be good at communicating in a masculine way that doesnt lower your value most guys cant do that without fucking it up so those "rules" get preached. The fact that you invited her straight to your place after finding that out shows a level of awareness thats way higher than most guys
/r/seduction21/01/25 09:54 PM
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this. Don't do the chat back and forth thing for a few days. She will waste your time
/r/seduction21/01/25 09:47 PM
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I live in a major metro area. Your standards are low
/r/seduction21/01/25 06:44 PM
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It’s always the same problems: photos suck and boring prompts/bio You can post a grainy photo of you taken on a Nokia flip phone from 2003 and still get a ton of likes in LATM for everywhere else you need good photos above all else If you have a good profile online dating is shooting fish in a barrel and you can land 10-20+ dates in a month if you want to
/r/seduction19/01/25 03:23 PM
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the first sentence is literally the opposite of what happens to attractive guys
/r/seduction19/01/25 03:21 PM
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Based on what? You can absolutely crush on dating apps to where $30 per month is a joke
/r/seduction18/01/25 10:09 PM
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He’s getting a ton of lays off it and it’s easy. Why can’t you understand that
/r/seduction18/01/25 10:08 PM
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spot on. Whatever he thinks is a 9 or 10 is definitely not that. They’re rare by definition and they sure as hell aren’t approaching
/r/seduction18/01/25 10:07 PM
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You’re not even seeing 9s and 10s multiple times per week let alone getting approached by them. Be real dude
/r/seduction18/01/25 10:06 PM
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it’s a subtle way of having a more interesting conversation because girls hear the same shit over and over again and they become numb to it Imagine having to deal with guy #721 saying “hey beautiful how’s ur day” and then him likely being disappointing on a date / in bed it can also project more confidence because you’re not seeking rapport like questions do and you’re stating an opinion or perspective
/r/seduction16/01/25 03:10 AM
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This social circle + apps > cold approaching
/r/seduction16/01/25 03:03 AM
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pretty shortsighted view of courses. I've never bought a course i didnt learn something from. I've also never invested in a course i thought was a scam by the end of it..problem is most people dont actually use the courses they buy
/r/seduction16/01/25 12:14 AM
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welcome to girls. Wait until you find out the part where they keep track of your following/follower numbers and check out any girls profiles who appear and they'll research the girls name on facebook etc. until they find out every detail about her life
/r/seduction16/01/25 12:04 AM
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with some hot women. step 1 is the problem. Where are they getting the hot women from? paying for escorts? i ask because there's a lot of rich tech dudes that are lost with women entirely and they dont have anyone in the Porsche
/r/seduction16/01/25 12:02 AM
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Plenty of girls will have a double standard that its fine for them to have a following and post pics but not the guy. The reasons can vary but usually come back to "social media is a girl thing so its ok for me" and/or insecurities about you cheating or other girls wanting you. Girls will keep track of who is following you a lot of the time because of this too. They go deep with this shit However with that said, back to the golden rule of "don't listen to what they say, watch what they do" if yo…
/r/seduction15/01/25 11:59 PM
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Yeah they can because you act different in your microexpressions, tonality, your energy will be more eager etc. It's not that they're clairvoyant, they're just more socially in tune than men are and the vibe you give will be "off" compared to the fully relaxed, abundant version of yourself If you had 5 supermodels blowing you every night you'd act completely different with women and that behavior would be attractive because it's not coming from a state of lack
/r/seduction15/01/25 11:55 PM
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ya this is the way
/r/seduction15/01/25 11:54 PM
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I'd say you should take a look at the way you dress and how you approach girls. If you're wearing super stylish clothes, have multiple accessories like earrings/bracelets/tattoos, and have a fancy haircut, then you look like a player. Try toning that down a bit if you want to come across less as a player. If you love to go to bars and clubs, and/or flirt pretty aggressively, then you can come across as a player. Balance that out with more generic, friendly, get-to-know-you conversation to come a…
/r/seduction11/01/25 08:06 PM
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Learning improv isn't going to help you with understanding attraction like a coach who is actually good
/r/seduction11/01/25 07:59 PM
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Do your clients record their interactions or how do you go about judging what they're doing wrong and if they're actually progressing?
/r/seduction11/01/25 06:46 PM
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Not sure of your age, but way you’re talking sounds very childish (“she was such a mommy” “it’s so difficult”) You need to get out of this mindset and start forging your mind into a perspective that understands those hot girls you see are just human beings too and when the makeup and push-up bra comes off and she’s in her sweat pants at home she’s nothing special. Plenty of them will also get on your nerves if you spend enough time with them, while others will be a good fit and make your life mo…
/r/seduction10/01/25 04:30 PM
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Rather, my approach is about increasing the QUALITY of relationships (and, sure...sex) that you're having with people. Not saying one is better or worse...just different goals. Makes sense and definitely think it's a good approach for that
/r/seduction08/01/25 10:40 PM
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Broad appeal is always going to be a good strategy for multiple reasons narrowing things down like this could be better for finding an LTR and/or you are in a phase where you don’t want a bunch of dates/lays and just want to deal with specific types of women It’ll definitely slow down the amount of matches you get, but hopefully with the upside of improving compatibility Only thing i don’t like about it is how dating app algorithms work and the more swipes you get the better
/r/seduction07/01/25 08:15 PM
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The apps aren't a joke and are a source of easy dates/lays if you know how the game works with them. The guys who don't succeed on apps simply don't know how to use them and say "get off the apps" as a way of coping OP you need to have a set opener that catches their attention and then move them through the process toward the date in a concise way without rambling on There's good openers and explanations of how to do so on this sub alone so search around. u/TripleDigitNomad and u/DoriansLost hav…
/r/seduction04/01/25 05:39 AM
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yeah increase it by 1-2 inches. women expect it anyway. Play to win
/r/seduction03/01/25 04:45 AM
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Yeah go indirect at first, smile, good tonality, and see how she responds. If she seems interested, calibrate if you want to go more direct or not, or come back the next time. Cut the interaction at a high point
/r/seduction03/01/25 04:42 AM
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That’s not what he said at all. He said by assuming the girl is attracted to you, you’ll stop second guessing yourself and can focus on the interaction instead Second guessing yourself includes sitting there in your head wondering if she likes you, do you look weird etc. None of that is productive and it’s one of the ways to override it mentally
/r/seduction02/01/25 11:29 PM
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Long game is the better play unless the girl is showing high interest off the bat. Even then it can be good to drag it out a little more You also want to look like a guy who is competent in there. If you aren’t in the top 20% of physiques at your gym (which isn’t hard to do, most people at commercial gyms never change due to shitty diet and training) you’re going to get blown out The guys saying don’t approach in gyms are just scared or haven’t done it successfully
/r/seduction02/01/25 11:25 PM
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Two things can be true at once. Most women i come across are friendly and nice to your face, but that doesn’t stop them from flaking Dating in 2025 is flaky as shit on both sides. People just don’t care I say this as someone who got a ton of dates in 2024. You’ll sift through plenty of flakes, girls cheating on their bf/husbands, and weirdos. Talking to women, they get flaked on all the time too You HAVE to have a process that protects you from wasting time with the flakes
/r/seduction02/01/25 10:19 PM
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Finding a quality girl is a game of chance, there’s no way around it. You just have to expose yourself to as many women as possible (including thinking about where your ideal type of woman would be hanging out) and narrow it down from there If there was a better solution, guys wouldn’t be struggling to find a quality girl
/r/seduction01/01/25 04:46 PM
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There are some guys who say that being completely honest and open about it works for them, but they must only be dating super open-minded women in the swinger scene or something Yeah anytime i see comments like that, im like wtf planet are you guys living on lol. Girls in the real world are almost never down for that shit. Even the most sexually liberal girls ive been with get territorial
/r/seduction01/01/25 08:05 AM
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Preselected men with multiple options behave in a way that women detect instantly this Women hone in on this even from afar with the way you carry yourself. They know who the players are
/r/seduction01/01/25 07:56 AM
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Anything that starts the conversation without directly stating your romantic/sexual intent Something as simple as, "Is the DJ always this bad? haha" is an indirect approach. It can literally be anything you say that gets the conversation rolling without being direct with your intent
/r/seduction01/01/25 07:53 AM
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everyone acts like they’re ancient now after college in the real world you can smash girls in their 20s well into your 40s and even 50s if you have a youthful vibe to you and take great care of yourself physically
/r/seduction01/01/25 06:12 AM
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Because intent is already assumed in night environments. It isn’t in daytime situations
/r/seduction01/01/25 06:11 AM
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Always speaking facts my man. Mirrors much of my experience as well as a fellow OLD guy. One thing i’ve been experimenting with more is a bit of banter leading up to the date instead of setting it and not saying anything until its date time How are you going about that in terms of messaging frequency and how far out are you setting the dates? I usually set the date at 2-3 days out max but don’t message after setting it to save it for the date
/r/seduction01/01/25 06:00 AM
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Yeah the internet has this obsession with cold approach for whatever reason even though i highly doubt most of the guys recommending it actually do it consistently and in high volume to have an accurate read on what it entails It's also the scapegoat of "the average guy" who fails on dating apps. The cope is always "ill just approach in person because its less looks-focused" which is completely false Same game on and off the apps
/r/seduction26/12/24 08:28 PM
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Looks are equally important if not more in person, which is what cold approach guys never mention. You're a stranger so you're being evaluated on your look off the bat to try and decipher who you are, what you want etc. One glance and if you don't meet that girls attraction threshold, you're done. If you cannot pass her looks threshold, no amount of game will overcome that. Similarly, if you improve your look you'll notice how your success rate magically increases despite any change in your game…
/r/seduction26/12/24 08:26 PM
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The idea of “the old fashioned way” being superior is largely overhyped unless you have a really good social circle (with some kind of status built in), but that’s a lot different from cold approach. I get way above average results on dating apps and i go out all the time. Women are women, on and off the apps. You’ll run into girls with baggage, cheaters, liars, flakes, and low quality options in general. You’ll also run into some good ones, which is the case with apps too The real issue is the …
/r/seduction26/12/24 02:03 AM
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means your photos aren’t good
/r/seduction26/12/24 01:57 AM
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You can pull some very hot women off apps. It’s just another tool and the success rate is way higher than cold approach
/r/seduction26/12/24 01:56 AM
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yeah blows my mind how many guys are oblivious
/r/seduction25/12/24 04:24 PM
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Oh yeah it's the most difficult situation to be in. LTR's are truly dating on hard mode and marriage is dating on nightmare mode You have to find ways to inject freshness, unpredictability, and fun into the relationship over time while minimizing the negative aspects as much as realistically possible. It's a balancing act that is difficult to get right and you'll have a ton of slip ups. Just the nature of how it goes But most guys on this sub are nowhere near that point and can't even get a girl…
/r/seduction25/12/24 01:03 AM
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going to a college campus at 40 years old to approach women isn’t going to go over well
/r/seduction24/12/24 04:23 PM
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5 is spot on
/r/seduction24/12/24 04:19 PM
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I would meet them somewhere public first. Trust me you haven’t run into crazy yet. this part 100% Once you run into legit crazy from dating apps, you'll never invite straight over again (especially if you have a good career and reputation to uphold). Some of these girls are batshit insane and they can hide it well in the messages leading up to the date
/r/seduction24/12/24 07:45 AM
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I think you both have good points and I'm the same way as you where i just capitalize on opportunity which has built up from experience But i've noticed that when tryign to help other guys understand these nuances, they do need something tangible to act as training wheels. They need the "if this, then do that" type of instruction because they dont have the reference point to understand what's going on And besides that, i believe that some guys will simply never get it. Some guys will just never …
/r/seduction24/12/24 01:53 AM
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girls got game
/r/seduction24/12/24 01:45 AM
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If she just gives a short answer and doesn’t engage further, she might not be interested—or she could just be focused or having a tough day. she might also just be answering his question and not thinking of anything beyond that even though she finds him attractive. Most girls arent just going to branch off into a conversation from that unless he keeps talking
/r/seduction24/12/24 01:44 AM
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this this this. Spot on. Also for OP, what age range are we talking about? For example, there’s a big difference in probing for DTF women who are 21 years old vs 31 years old. You’re more likely to find girls who are more overt (on the app at the start) in the younger category than the older. This can obviously change once you’re in person with either age range and escalate etc, but i’m mainly talking about screening for a casual vibe off the bat on the app. Some 30+ women will be becoming out o…
/r/seduction22/12/24 10:29 PM
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My question is whoever said it existed in the first place? Most older family and friends i’ve known sounded like they got together through a hookup, meeting at a party, through work/friends, or accidentally knocking the girl up lol Bumping into your soulmate without any games and living happily ever after sounds like a movie rather than actual human behavior
/r/seduction22/12/24 10:24 PM
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photos aren’t presenting you well then
/r/seduction22/12/24 02:56 AM
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Yes they’re a bad idea because they’re very platonic in nature. Don’t listen to the advice here that theyre a good idea. Have the environment work for you and only do nighttime dates. You’ll be better off
/r/seduction22/12/24 02:54 AM
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However, while I didn't meet the most women, the most highly attractive women--including my girlfriend--I met on Bumble. Interesting..the women on bumble were most attractive than Hinge? That's hard to picture honestly But yeah, massive emphasis on the 2 day date thing. 3 days at the absolute most, but even then you're entering the flake zone heavily. Online dating moves very fast and everyone has the attention span of a Tiktok doomscroller so you have to move quickly or you're dead
/r/seduction21/12/24 05:54 AM
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this is the way
/r/seduction21/12/24 05:12 AM
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is this all LATM countries or ?
/r/seduction21/12/24 05:12 AM
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As you get experience and mature you start seeing "humanity" in all people It's the same process essentially. You see the humanity through experience because you better understand the realities in everything. That includes understanding that the girl who is a 9 actually looks completely different without makeup in sweats in the morning and its a lot of smoke and mirrors etc
/r/seduction20/12/24 01:04 AM
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I don't think its damaging because it humanizes the person and prevents delusion. Delusion is what is damaging
/r/seduction19/12/24 02:12 AM
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I think a lot of guys mistake girls not overthinking/being overly invested as "playing games". spot on..this is a high level realization tbh
/r/seduction19/12/24 02:11 AM
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i agree, but a lot of guys can’t get to your mindset or don’t understand how to internalize that
/r/seduction17/12/24 08:01 AM
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who is making the official definition of game? lol
/r/seduction16/12/24 08:47 PM
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plenty of objectively high value guys still struggle with this though, so that can’t be the entire solution there has to be a mindset shift that’s internalized and a degree of entitlement is required, like you deserve this level of woman. Otherwise you’re always going to act in a supplicating way to some degree
/r/seduction16/12/24 08:46 PM
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self deprecation is a very fine line to walk though depending on the vibe you give off An attractive confident guy can get away with it in small doses, a nervous nice guy type will just continue to chip away at his own perceived value
/r/seduction16/12/24 08:41 PM
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this is the answer. you need a degree of internal arrogance to where you feel entitled in a way
/r/seduction16/12/24 08:39 PM
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Reply back to one of her stories. also a 5 year age gap isn’t shit for women
/r/seduction16/12/24 08:34 PM
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it’s wild how many people take stuff like this SO seriously and get into debates about it
/r/seduction16/12/24 08:33 PM
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This is basically true 9 times out of 10. One of the major aspects that never gets talked about with approaching
/r/seduction16/12/24 08:31 PM
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Not seeing a message in my inbox
/r/seduction10/12/24 08:07 PM
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If the other guy can’t help you, DM me. Online dating is my game
/r/seduction09/12/24 10:38 PM
1

Personally I have never seen this. If I'm cold / detached / disdainful / I find women mirror that same. There's other factors at play here too like how intimidating you look or if you're really good looking etc. For example if you already look out of her league, acting cold isn't going to help. It'll just make a lot of girls give up or avoid you. Looking too stoic can do it as well etc etc..bunch of scenarios that depend on the impression you're making
/r/seduction06/12/24 04:58 AM
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facts
/r/seduction06/12/24 03:10 AM
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Yeah cold approach is garbage as a reliable way of getting days imo but people push it endlessly on here for whatever reason. It makes me wonder if guys actually do it consistently When you actually do it you quickly realize how inefficient it is
/r/seduction03/12/24 12:43 AM
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this is the way and the real way to go about it
/r/seduction02/12/24 02:38 PM
2

How do we know the physical isn’t holding him back? We don’t even know what he looks like
/r/seduction02/12/24 02:30 PM
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It’s likely due to how many scams there are/were and how few people are actually good at it
/r/seduction02/12/24 02:29 PM
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That’s just the game of cold approach. What you’re experiencing is how it goes instead of the dream people sell When people say it’s a numbers game, that’s what it is. Purely running the numbers until you hit which can be a long time in some cases
/r/seduction02/12/24 02:11 PM
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big one
/r/seduction02/12/24 02:09 PM
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A cold approach coach posted recently on here that he had a lot of fun cold approaching over the years but all of his best experiences and current wife came from online dating, lol. OP writes like a romance novel and no one can confirm any of it. Go cold approach yourself and you’ll see it’s not like this
/r/seduction02/12/24 02:08 PM
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But when I asked for her IG, she said she doesn't give it out until we've gone on a date That's a weird one. I've run into that with asking for a number but not an IG. Interesting
/r/seduction28/11/24 03:15 AM
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Nope, it's true for the US too Day/night game is trash in terms of efficiency. The social confidence you gain from it are great, though. It's worth incorporating here and there for that reason However in terms of getting dates consistently and effectively, OLD is #1
/r/seduction28/11/24 03:11 AM
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Agreed, but convincing these guys is pretty much a waste of time. More for us though
/r/seduction28/11/24 02:59 AM
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Seduction/dating community in the comment sections on YouTube have the same obsession, but I believe it's actually guys that failed at OLD and now they're parroting what they hear rather than actually doing it consistently 99% of guys will have very little success with cold approach. It takes time and commitment to get good at it (even then the success rate is capped) and most simply won't do it enough
/r/seduction28/11/24 02:56 AM
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The advantage of learning to approach women in person is you don’t have to waste additional time setting up a profile, getting photos, and swiping. The effort you put in works around the clock for you. Way more efficient than cold approach
/r/seduction28/11/24 02:54 AM
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The primary way out of your oneitis mindset is abundance of options consistently over time This leads to a few different outcomes: 1) Some of them will stand out to you over others, but you won’t be super attached to anything if they drop off because you know there’s more coming 2) You start to see the flaws of beautiful women quickly because youre dealing with many of them frequently. You start to feel like they need to bring more to the table in terms of compatibility than just being hot. Bein…
/r/seduction25/11/24 10:28 PM
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This is actually spot on in my experience down to the friend having girls piss in his bed Every once in awhile you’ll come across some quality girls that are just super into you off the bat and are down to go all the way on the first date, and you can tell they don’t do it often because they’re awkward or nervous etc However, most girls down to come straight to your place or hookup quickly are basically never the girls you’d actually want to show off or take seriously, or even beyond that, a lot…
/r/seduction24/11/24 03:34 PM
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Haven’t seen anyone else say it but if you’re not going for the pull back to your place, you’re never going to get it. That’s the backbone of hookups You have to invite her to your place, but only when the vibe has been up and positive That’s where the other advice here comes into play, but yeah, go for it because they aren’t going to make it happen themselves
/r/seduction24/11/24 03:27 PM
1

Tbh though Bond is really the template for this vibe you’re aiming for. His flirting in Casino Royale nails it
/r/seduction23/11/24 03:00 AM
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Yup still got plenty of time, and you'll look back one day and feel like you were actually really young at 39
/r/seduction22/11/24 07:57 PM
1

Yeah its not the end of the world, but i've noticed a higher 'conversion rate' waiting until there's more privacy. The girl can let loose more in general too because she wont be worried about being judged
/r/seduction22/11/24 05:18 AM
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I didnt even talk about anything so i have no idea how you came to that conclusion, you just sound like a moron lol
/r/seduction22/11/24 05:17 AM
4

This is spot on
/r/seduction21/11/24 06:45 PM
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I’m friends with a guy who pulls girls casually all the time at 45. After his wife cheated years ago he swore off relationships, revamped himself and has been crushing ever since. You’re not too old at all and it sounds like your mindset has aged faster than your actual biological age
/r/seduction21/11/24 06:42 PM
1

yeah that part about night game is big. Try to pull her that night or forget it. Flake rate from night game is stupid high
/r/seduction21/11/24 07:23 AM
1

the main reason is waiting to kiss her when you can fully escalate things. Otherwise it’s just a random kiss and you can’t go further
/r/seduction21/11/24 07:18 AM
8

this mindset is highly valuable tbh
/r/seduction21/11/24 07:05 AM
3

this guy knows
/r/seduction21/11/24 06:59 AM
1

Getting that many picky girls is odd…where are you finding them or what city is this? I don’t think i’ve had any girls complain like thst
/r/seduction21/11/24 06:59 AM
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Props for taking the shot because most wouldn’t. It’s also early in the journey so of course it’s not going to be pro level. My immediate constructive critique when reading through your post was that you positioned yourself as a fan with the comment about her being pretty etc. From there it sounded like she was speaking to someone who is a fan of hers rather than a potential romantic interest, so the idea for next time would be skip the comments about the girls looks because it sounds like pedes…
/r/seduction19/11/24 05:22 AM
1

As opposed to what? getting laid from online dating and keeping those girls coming back is very easy once you know what you're doing because it's a warm lead off the bat
/r/seduction19/11/24 12:42 AM
3

this guy gets it
/r/seduction17/11/24 03:46 PM
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Depends on how many tats and what they are. A lot of girls with multiple significant tats are wearing their trauma on the outside and you’ll come to find that out A few small tats doesn’t mean much
/r/seduction17/11/24 03:45 PM
1

Those are IG model types with 200k followers though, not the chick up the street from you with 732 followers on private, which is most women
/r/seduction17/11/24 03:43 PM
2

What do most guys say and what separates a guy from the pack for you?
/r/seduction17/11/24 03:40 PM
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The flooded DMs answer is by far the most repeated reason why guys say messaging a woman is useless. I firmly believe women are flooded with options they don’t want at all, so the competition is actually pretty shit. Are you saying as a woman you read all your DMs and that the actual quality of message matters and you don’t just go for the best looking guys? Because if so, half the guys online are about to rage that their theory isn’t correct
/r/seduction17/11/24 03:39 PM
1

this guy gets it
/r/seduction17/11/24 03:34 PM
0

They’re most of the battle though to even get the door open
/r/seduction17/11/24 03:32 PM
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And then you will be ghosted on the follow up. You guys act like cold approach has a 90% hit rate lol. The hit rate is lower than online dating with a good profile
/r/seduction17/11/24 03:19 PM
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You entered her frame from top to bottom. Dont drive an hour to meet a girl unless she’s practically begging for the D and even then id reconsider. Its rarely worth the effort to go that far However if you do insist on going to her, you gotta show up like she’s lucky to have you there and you run this shit. Folding to her and explaining yourself about the drive was a cardinal sin. The optimal dynamic would be have her come to you and be teasing her and having a good time all on your own, plus ma…
/r/seduction16/11/24 02:29 PM
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She’s right though, coffee is very platonic unless you are taking her back to your place after but that takes experience to do right One of the worst dates you can do tbh
/r/seduction16/11/24 02:20 PM
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If you’re in a relationship i can guarantee that woman is miserable lol
/r/seduction16/11/24 02:11 PM
1

Sounds like you’re giving off very platonic vibes and lacking masculinity and sex appeal in your interactions and possibly your appearance. A guy can be handsome but lack masculinity and sex appeal
/r/seduction16/11/24 02:08 PM
1

Spot on. You’re definitely under a magnifying glass and there will also be suspicion around you sometimes too, ie: “why is this guy hitting on me when he could get any girl? I must be another number to him”
/r/seduction16/11/24 02:04 PM
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No one has any frustration with women and no one is starting an argument. Stop your strawman nonsense. You are simply wrong with your take and perpetuating a myth that gets repeated.
/r/seduction16/11/24 02:01 PM
2

Good tip and also the one about infield translating
/r/seduction16/11/24 12:58 PM
2

This, but they won’t listen
/r/seduction16/11/24 12:56 PM
2

too long
/r/seduction16/11/24 12:55 PM
1

stuff like this is the way
/r/seduction16/11/24 12:55 PM
1

Nothing on OLD but models in real life is nonsense unless you have status and/or you’re buying out sections at the club You’re not walking in GA at 45 years old and pulling models. That’s just stupid
/r/seduction16/11/24 12:51 PM
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This is false. If a guy is literally getting ZERO matches on dating apps then he’s going to struggle badly irl. The problem is either: 1) The photos are really bad and not doing the guy any justice. This is likely 2) He has work to do with his physical appearance. Also likely Women are just as judgmental in real life though. It’s not like looks suddenly don’t matter anymore, especially during a cold approach where you will be judged off a glance. This myth has to stop already.
/r/seduction16/11/24 12:46 PM
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Guys are going to interpret this as settling to settle or throwing out standards. You need to elaborate more in a practical, applicable way that can actually be followed because otherwise it sounds vague and unhelpful
/r/seduction16/11/24 12:41 PM
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He’s right though. Most guys look miserable with their girl. The more experience you gain the more you see through the act people put on too or you hear about it firsthand in your social circle etc. That’s one of the downsides to a large amount of experience. Ignorance is bliss. Many couples have big problems going on. Not just little arguments — I’m talking big shit like the man cheats regularly on business trips because he’s in a dead bedroom relationship or the wife doesn’t respect her husban…
/r/seduction16/11/24 12:36 PM
3

This is also the playbook. Sidenote, i’ve never heard a girl say “IOI” before lol
/r/seduction15/11/24 05:34 PM
1

To the guys reading this, this is the playbook to women in general. She just hooked you up so take notes
/r/seduction15/11/24 05:28 PM
1

What happened with Denmo? And where did Owen say that? Wasn’t aware of either
/r/seduction14/11/24 07:45 PM
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You’re romanticizing the process. I actually go out a lot and my primary methods are apps plus social circle, but the vast majority of guys i know that are 30+ end up getting dates or a gf off dating apps. These are guys that are in shape, good looking, make good money, go out a lot, are highly social, and get numbers. The problem is the flake rate is stupid high and social circles are limited. You can’t just run through girl after girl in a social circle so you’re going to be capped by how many…
/r/seduction14/11/24 03:41 PM
2

u/FireTexts would like a word
/r/seduction14/11/24 04:45 AM
2

They just don’t? Lots of us are out here getting dates with hot girls from apps. How can you say they don’t work?
/r/seduction14/11/24 04:42 AM
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Apps are far more efficient than irl and that efficiency advantage makes them better for guys who are genuinely busy. The amount of volume you have to run to actually get good at cold approach and then get multiple dates from it cannot be understated. It is a significant commitment
/r/seduction14/11/24 04:41 AM
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I actually like women with some wit and fire to them, but i disagree with the guys alluding to this being normal behavior. The dynamic between you two is messed up if she’s saying shit like that. She lacks respect. Hard red flags, especially mentioning the date with another guy. That’s just weird I’d dodge this chick because the disrespect will only increase
/r/seduction12/11/24 02:21 AM
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Glad I live in Sacramento…. Just saying… a night out in Sacramento can be equally brutal. You're lucky if you find 1-2 hot girls in the city unless there's a big event at golden1
/r/seduction11/11/24 09:58 PM
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this guy gets it. I know it's shocking but not every woman is the same archetype that just throws everything to the wind if the guy is enough of a Chad. Some women have had shitty experiences and need more comfort (and some of those experiences have been with good looking dudes). Depends on age too. I typically move quickly, but when I've played a longer game with certain women that required it, they became wildly attracted and attached for years. It builds a deep connection in the womans mind w…
/r/seduction11/11/24 09:50 PM
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Can't rely on that though. It can happen and ive done it multiple times, but it's a polarizing approach that will fail a lot too Aiming to build some level of comfort first will always be the higher percentage move
/r/seduction11/11/24 09:49 PM
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Hot take: i think anything beyond the 10th body is just repetitive and nothing new is really learned. In hindsight, it's been a lot of the same over and over. Dates are basically the same script, seduction process goes the same etc. The main difference is just the look of that specific girl or how adventurous / kinky she is which is fun of course, but i think there's dininishing returns in terms of how much better you get or the lessons you learn
/r/seduction11/11/24 03:10 AM
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About half that in terms of the amount of messages i send before moving things toward a date. Time is of the essence on dating apps so its about finding that balance between a little get-to-know-you to show you're not weird, but then moving things to the date while things are flowing. Remember just like with dates, you lose momentum as time goes on past a certain point
/r/seduction11/11/24 03:01 AM
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great post
/r/seduction11/11/24 02:08 AM
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Sorry to break it to you, if you can’t be at least mildly successful on the app (attractive) you won’t be that successful in person. You’ll just be a creep that gets escorted out of whatever property you’re on trying to day game. this right here. More guys need to understand this
/r/seduction11/11/24 02:06 AM
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My friend is handsome and he barely gets any matches on dating apps, it's wild he's either not actually handsome or his photos/bio aren't good. You will definitely crush if you are a good looking guy with a good profile
/r/seduction11/11/24 02:05 AM
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there are some types of women who are very rare or you'll never see on any app Same thing in reverse too though because you're able to cover a wider spectrum of women outside of your social circle or places you frequent. You can meet some dimes on apps that you'd never see in real life because of that As you said, just do both
/r/seduction11/11/24 01:52 AM
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I can tell you from seeing it from the womans side, they really don't, or if they do, they usually blow it within a few messages anyway
/r/seduction11/11/24 01:52 AM
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On paper it seems impossible due to the numbers but i've pulled a lot of hot women from dating apps and so have friends of mine. Some legit 8s+ The benefit to approaches is mainly the high you get when its successful and those skills carry over to everything else tldr: do both
/r/seduction11/11/24 01:48 AM
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underrated advice
/r/seduction08/11/24 07:38 PM
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Just look at the person with friendliness in mind. You should feel your eyes soften a bit and your expression lighten. A psycho look is more like a dead pan glare / stare. You feel completely flat or even slightly negative. If you’re still unsure just keep a relaxed look and a slight smile to your mouth without showing your teeth and think of being friendly. That’s it
/r/seduction07/11/24 03:00 PM
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Eye contact is also underrated for making things sexual on a date. I think we tend to overlook it because it sounds cliche and basic, but it really is that powerful
/r/seduction07/11/24 02:58 PM
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Location is everything. It determines the pond you’re fishing in, so without optimizing that aspect you’re immediately operating with inefficiencies It’s still possible to get results online and in person in other places but just understand the game you’re playing
/r/seduction07/11/24 05:26 AM
2

this is the way
/r/seduction04/11/24 02:57 AM
2

this is the way
/r/seduction01/11/24 02:02 AM
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Absolutely do NOT send this message
/r/seduction29/10/24 06:52 PM
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Yup more guys need to understand this and its also why looking for IOIs is mostly a waste of time and overthinking
/r/seduction29/10/24 06:45 PM
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I get his point though. Night game solo in clubs is the hardest level. there’s nothing harder than that, and most guys here aren’t going to be able to befriend groups like that. So if you want to make it easier on yourself having a wing or group definitely does that
/r/seduction29/10/24 04:35 AM
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username matches post content
/r/seduction29/10/24 04:27 AM
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From guys who wish they were handsome, no. From other attractive people who understand exactly what he’s talking about, yes. Good looking people are sometimes some of the loneliest (especially women). Horns effect is real
/r/seduction28/10/24 06:16 PM
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I’ve known guys to peak in their 40s and 50s. They suddenly had a fusion of everything come together: career, finances, fitness, social status etc. It mainly depends when you discover certain knowledge and how well you take care of yourself along the way. Some of these guys i’m referencing took decent care of themselves but didn’t lock into their fitness and career until later (and some were married and complacent until they divorced)
/r/seduction28/10/24 06:14 PM
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OP answered his own question by providing examples of men peaking at different points
/r/seduction28/10/24 06:10 PM
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20% is generous. I’d be genuinely amazed if more than 1-3% of people here approached more than 2 girls per month As a coach you know most people simply don’t take action
/r/seduction26/10/24 07:18 PM
1

Nailed it
/r/seduction26/10/24 02:21 PM
1

So a true seducer is able to violate the laws of nature and make every girl like them? lol
/r/seduction26/10/24 02:19 PM
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I currently know a coach doing over 100k in revenue per month. Guys with a “real career” would be wise to become a serious coach.
/r/seduction26/10/24 02:16 PM
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Coaching takes continuous time and energy to provide to people, plus the years of refinement. Some of them are actually good at what they do, and the value of the service itself is extremely valuable (finding a gf/wife or creating a new causal lifestyle a guy has never had), plus it shortens the learning curve drastically by providing direction. Some guys would simply never learn without an outside perspective. The people that are saying it’s just grifters are short sighted and missing the guys …
/r/seduction26/10/24 02:15 PM
1

Guys nitpick too much. We all know what alpha/beta is generally referring to, and I’ve heard women use it to refer to certain traits too (mainly alpha).
/r/seduction26/10/24 02:09 PM
1

Why no bar or club photos? They’ve worked great for me and guys I know
/r/seduction26/10/24 12:52 AM
2

yes
/r/seduction26/10/24 12:51 AM
0

Personally I'd never look for a wife in western dating if i had the option of a more traditional courtship process. No idea what the advantage to the western way would even be if you have an end goal of marriage
/r/seduction25/10/24 11:53 PM
1

Sadly, that is how modern dating works for sub 8 men For all men. The human brain is fickle, and amplified even more in women.
/r/seduction25/10/24 11:43 PM
1

It’s never invisible. Women know what you’re doing from the hundreds of guys they deal with trying the same shit. You are never flying under the radar and to think you are is assuming women are dumb.
/r/seduction24/10/24 06:00 PM
2

did chatGPT write this lol
/r/seduction23/10/24 08:36 PM
1

That has nothing to do with knowingly aiming lower than you're capable of
/r/seduction23/10/24 08:36 PM
1

It is a lot of fun for some of us. Depends where you come from though. I did relationships for years and understand the reality of them so i don’t have this lovey dovey view a lot of guys have of them. Meeting new women all the time is a blast
/r/seduction23/10/24 03:07 AM
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Because you know you’re not doing the best you can and you’re bedding women that aren’t even attractive. You’re just doing it because it’s easy Bang some 8s after spending some time healing from your relationship and it’s a different ballgame
/r/seduction23/10/24 03:06 AM
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5% even seems too high. I’d estimate less than 1% Anecdotally speaking, i’ve never known a couple that got together through cold approach. It’s always introduced through friends, a job, hobby, party, or dating app. This is especially true with the hottest women i’ve known, and they’re usually all getting with guys through social circle.
/r/seduction20/10/24 06:32 PM
1

this is a key point. Solo game at bars/clubs is going to be an insanely low hit rate. Even with a group it'll be low hit rate, but the preselection absolutely helps
/r/seduction19/10/24 08:19 PM
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Part of what makes you feel depressed is expectations. A big problem with the internet is they set expectations and tells stories of how great night game and cold approach are, yet in reality, it's a game with very low success rates no matter who you are. Social circle is going to be more reliable than randoms. Keep doing cold approach to work on different aspects of your communication and confidence, but understand the game you're playing.
/r/seduction19/10/24 08:17 PM
1

Interesting since most girls say they want to meet a guy the “old fashioned way” and meeting on the street is like a movie
/r/seduction19/10/24 03:52 AM
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Interesting post with some good points. I think the main thing you have to do is treat it like an experiment and change some variable. For example, when you say cold approach stopped working for you, that immediately makes me wonder what changed? If you were having some success, how did that suddenly end and drop to 0% indefinitely? Was it more of a math issue where you were just going through a dry spell (variance) that would turn around with a large enough sample size and time period? If all e…
/r/seduction19/10/24 03:49 AM
2

10-15 in 2 years huh?
/r/seduction19/10/24 03:38 AM
1

Makes sense. How do you personally go about balancing sexualization with that or showing intent to escalate? Or are you essentially just purely flirting/escalating as most would expect, just with no attachment to the outcome in mind?
/r/seduction18/10/24 06:21 PM
1

username checks out
/r/seduction18/10/24 04:26 PM
5

That last paragraph is the key to night game imo Always assume you’ll never see this girl again and relying on numbers is basically guaranteeing a flake. Gotta go as far as you can right there that night
/r/seduction18/10/24 04:09 PM
1

All your posts sound like you’re Casey Zander lol
/r/seduction18/10/24 04:04 PM
1

You realize that men and women can both pick someone who seems like a good choice and then things go south over time or they grow apart? This sounds like some shit someone who has only been online their whole life would write.
/r/seduction17/10/24 10:27 PM
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And for what? So I can end up with some naggy lady who tags along everywhere I go and won’t stop complaining? What’s the end game? This is actually a huge point to think about in this modern dating scene and i don’t see it talked about enough. There’s usually a bunch of dudes saying they just want a girl to love blah blah When you’ve experienced a relationship for years and years, this point right here becomes a serious consideration. Add in the fact that this dating scene is more of a mess than…
/r/seduction17/10/24 10:19 PM
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Women aren’t stupid dude. They know why you’re approaching. You’re an adult male who went out of his way to approach…they know you want sex, especially attractive women. No amount of beating around the bush and “trying to get to know her and seeing if she’s cool” is going to fix that unless the girl is brain dead This is one of the reasons cold approach has such a low success rate % wise (from approach to lay). Women know exactly what you want and you’re playing a slot machine until you hit. Hen…
/r/seduction17/10/24 02:36 PM
0

It's actually gotten better IMO because Hinge specifically is more culturally accepted
/r/seduction16/10/24 09:34 PM
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you're doing something VERY wrong for that to occur. Never had that happen once in the thousands of matches i've had...50 is absurd
/r/seduction16/10/24 09:33 PM
1

This guy gets it
/r/seduction16/10/24 09:33 PM
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You need good photos and understand prompt/bio design. There's strategy to it that makes it work well once you "get it" On the guys side it's not as simple as just posting some decent photos from your camera roll and making a few genuine prompts Once you nail it dating apps will produce way more warm leads than cold approach
/r/seduction16/10/24 09:32 PM
5

Eye contact sounds cliche at this point but it really does a ton of the work for building a sexual vibe. You can communicate so much through just eye contact Hard to explain unless you’ve done it and get the feeling i’m talking about
/r/seduction15/10/24 05:26 PM
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probably coach kyle
/r/seduction15/10/24 06:15 AM
1

You're right and there should be an advanced seduction sub
/r/seduction15/10/24 06:05 AM
1

Do you understand that if the average guy waited for a situation to organically unfold in this modern dating scene that he would basically be jerking off for the next 20 years? That is something a woman cannot understand I say this as someone with way above average success in this dating scene. The average guy is fighting an uphill battle that is insane
/r/seduction15/10/24 04:05 AM
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I agree with a lot of your points but ultimately its luck of the draw. A lot of girls I've met irl have at least tried Hinge etc. So i could've just as easily met them on there. I have 2 friends in LTRs with Hinge girls and one is a legit 8+ and they've been together for about 3 years now. The best girls i've met on apps were on there for a short period and dipped after getting bombarded by weirdos. They were usually homebody types that went to the gym, worked (or heavy school workload like med …
/r/seduction15/10/24 03:37 AM
0

The guys saying they don’t have time for games apparently don’t understand every single woman will test you given enough time with her. It’s not avoidable
/r/seduction14/10/24 08:29 PM
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One thing about your scenario is you have massive leverage as a guy dating a single mom. She knows her options are severely limited and most men don’t want to date a single mom You could likely do 50% less than you’re doing now and still get the same result due to that huge leverage point
/r/seduction14/10/24 05:09 PM
2

Do you have a link to the data referenced?
/r/seduction14/10/24 05:01 PM
1

The argument of “that only works on broken women” is applied across the board to so much dating advice and it proves wrong over and over again. In this case, it is also a myth.
/r/seduction14/10/24 04:49 PM
1

but anyways the ghosting ratio after is extremely high. Yeah this is the tough part. Getting numbers is actually fairly easy once you get the hang of breaking the ice, engaging groups, keeping the convo flowing with some flirting injected etc. But the follow up is crazy flaky. The volume you need to offset it is way higher than most guys realize So, if you are doing bad, consider the fact that you are maybe going in for a type of girl that's just not for you. Yeah definitely a good observation t…
/r/seduction14/10/24 05:45 AM
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Well, they might do that, but that's not the goal I'm getting at. My point is more so that those girls just won't be available no matter what you do because they are taken.
/r/seduction13/10/24 09:37 PM
1

Is Scottsdale the best spot in AZ? Only been to Phoenix briefly
/r/seduction13/10/24 09:29 PM
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Yup and then in the bars/clubs you have to find girls who are single and not with a guy already, then they actually have to be attractive etc. The pool to select from dwindles pretty quickly unless you're fine banging 3/10's Online makes a lot more sense. Can swipe from your couch (and invest more time into more important things) and you have warm leads to work with
/r/seduction13/10/24 09:24 PM
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This is a HIGHLY underrated post. Never see anyone mention this and i've observed the same in the last couple years especially Do you have any of those studies offhand? Would like to check them out
/r/seduction13/10/24 09:18 PM
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It's a weird thing that guys parrot non-stop and I doubt they even do it themselves, because if they did they'd understand the time:reward ratio is awful and flake rates are extremely high. You're grinding out a 3-4% conversion rate if you're actually good at it
/r/seduction13/10/24 09:06 PM
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Once you're in the environment, yeah. But the hard part with girls of that caliber is getting in the environment they're in and also finding ones that are single, because they rarely are
/r/seduction13/10/24 09:04 PM
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These “how do i get 9s and 10s?” discussions always have so many theories and answers, but this is the correct answer you’re not pulling a legit 9 from cold approach. It’s about lifestyle, access, and status
/r/seduction13/10/24 08:11 PM
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He means collectively, ie: every guy doing it. Obviously won’t ever occur, but in theory women would have zero validation
/r/seduction13/10/24 08:09 PM
2

And she can also live haunted by a void of emotional fulfillment which is intangible and she can’t work for it nor buy it, and that supercedes everything This post reeks of feminist bitterness
/r/seduction13/10/24 08:02 PM
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Interesting point about the last two years because i’ve thought about this too. What makes you feel like it’s been much harder? Less dates converting to lays or just harder to get women in general? What i’ve noticed is women have their guard up even higher. For example, a friend of mine had TONS of girls come straight to his house off apps in 2019-2020 but that’s more unlikely now. Cold approach continues to be wildly inefficient because of the raised guard too and girls are just more flaky. It’…
/r/seduction13/10/24 07:40 PM
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Spot on and the income aspect is a big one that doesn’t get talked about enough
/r/seduction13/10/24 07:38 PM
10

This is the correct answer. If guys collectively pulled their attention for a year women would go insane
/r/seduction13/10/24 07:31 PM
2

What i was getting at is that there is nothing superior about “finding a queen” (which is a highly questionable mindset to start with..just the terminology alone is very needy) to a causal lifestyle You’re presenting a relationship like it’s a superior way of living when it’s not
/r/seduction12/10/24 04:48 PM
1

Agreed, this is the most realistic answer if we are talking about cold approach Not sure what OP is referring to though…if it’s a girl at a house party in college it’s easy to get same day lays
/r/seduction12/10/24 03:41 PM
3

more relationship virtue signaling why is this a thing now in this sub which is about getting laid?
/r/seduction12/10/24 03:27 PM
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A friend of mine has been dating a hot girl from Hinge and she said to me, “does anyone even meet anywhere else but Hinge now?” and we were talking about how people say they want to meet someone irl but rarely does that occur because people are busy, tired from work, don’t go out as much after college etc I can’t think of a couple i’ve known in the last 10 years who met via cold approach and i know maybe 1 guy who got laid through it. You need a super high volume area to do it right and even the…
/r/seduction12/10/24 03:22 PM
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Cold approach is great for self development reasons, but incredibly inefficient in terms of conversion rate to actual dates. Dating apps are a much higher percentage with way less time invested For the average guys that say dating apps are a waste of time and cold approach is where they land dates, i’d really like to see proof of that
/r/seduction12/10/24 03:16 PM
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Exactly lol
/r/seduction11/10/24 04:56 PM
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Drop your age and watch the matches go up again lol
/r/seduction11/10/24 06:47 AM
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Meanwhile women use 13 filters on every photo lol. Play the game to win or dont play at all
/r/seduction11/10/24 06:22 AM
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People do the same irl. Look at how many threads are posted on here about high flake rates from cold approach.
/r/seduction10/10/24 11:17 PM
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There’s nothing special about meeting people out in the world either. Just because you meet in person doesn’t give you a higher chance of it being “meaningful.” Many of the people you meet irl are on apps anyway or have been.
/r/seduction10/10/24 11:16 PM
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Would like to see the pics you use. Thats where the issue is going to be, or your messaging strategy
/r/seduction10/10/24 11:15 PM
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heard the same..just human dynamics
/r/seduction09/10/24 01:47 AM
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I prefer night game since people are already in the mood to socialize like that, but it's also inherently flaky due to alcohol and emotional highs being out with friends etc. If you don't pull her then and there that night, you're likely dead in the water on the follow up
/r/seduction09/10/24 01:45 AM
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spiking her emotions isnt necessary for a first text..you think the dude she has high attraction to needs to spike her emotions? lol Women either like you or they dont. A lot of "game" is bullshit for this reason
/r/seduction09/10/24 01:43 AM
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Makes sense
/r/seduction08/10/24 06:01 PM
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2 and 3 are spot on I always found it easier to approach by having someone there to hold me accountable in a way. The pressure actually helped. And yeah once you get past the first one everything flows so much easier
/r/seduction08/10/24 04:55 AM
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I actually find more young Gen Z'ers are against IG and dating apps it's so useful though. guys are missing out
/r/seduction08/10/24 01:13 AM
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This guy gets it. IG game is the GOAT Shits all over cold approach
/r/seduction08/10/24 01:11 AM
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Because its about winning. But there's a lot of different aesthetics that work. You don't have to do the 2017 perfect influencer thing
/r/seduction08/10/24 01:10 AM
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It actually gives the highest return imo. You have access to SO many women its insane and it builds up your perceived value with girls you meet irl
/r/seduction08/10/24 01:09 AM
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Great post and I know exactly what you mean, but for the other guys here that may be newer, how would you explain being positive & kind without being a "nice guy" that just gets leveraged for what he has to give? It's nuanced and I was trying to think of how to explain it while reading this, because there's nice guys that will think they're applying this advice correctly but then the jerk gets the girl at the end of the night and they're confused I believe sex appeal and sexual tension is the ke…
/r/seduction08/10/24 01:05 AM
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Very interesting
/r/seduction08/10/24 12:57 AM
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If you have a good amount of experience yourself you’ll be able to screen that it’s worthwhile material. Thats really the best way to screen any dating content which makes it tough for the new guys. You need experience to understand what is good and what isn’t Mark brings up a lot of good points though
/r/seduction04/10/24 05:16 AM
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Good read. I’ve found Pook to be really helpful with internal state. Curious to know what you thought about his stuff. I actually like re-reading his “book” pretty often because it’s so good (IMO)
/r/seduction04/10/24 05:08 AM
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Humans want what they can’t have. Simple as that If a girl seems easy to obtain but then ignores you, you’ll focus on her more than others Just what the brain does
/r/seduction04/10/24 04:58 AM
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Society is becoming more digital every day. It's a huge plus because good photos do the work for you passively once you get them. But to each their own. Goodluck out there
/r/seduction02/10/24 09:25 PM
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You’re doing something very wrong if dating apps don’t work at all at 30 You should be pulling at least a girl or two per month off them. The key is dialing in your presentation (photos) which anyone can do
/r/seduction02/10/24 07:24 PM
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The part about most girls over 23 having slept with a dude 40-65 is spot on Guys here without much experience would be amazed at how many cute girls have hooked up with a 50 year old dude. I know 5 off the top of my head who were between 22-28 years old and all of them are hot
/r/seduction02/10/24 07:20 PM
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This is the goofiest shit ever
/r/seduction27/09/24 07:29 PM
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Spot on. If i had a dime for every time ive seen a woman post something about how guys don’t understand what women want, id be driving 3 Ferraris It’s pretty easy to see what women want once you’ve experienced it firsthand. Be attractive and if you have social status it sends everything into overdrive
/r/seduction26/09/24 03:20 PM
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Rule of thumb: stop taking what women say at face value
/r/seduction26/09/24 06:46 AM
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The approach to hookups and long term is the same. These girls want to get clapped by the guy they're attracted to
/r/seduction26/09/24 06:41 AM
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I personally don’t like cold approach as I view it as very inefficient compared to dating apps Finally someone else mentions this
/r/seduction26/09/24 06:39 AM
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You’re painting with broad strokes because there’s definitely plenty of entitled bitchy hot girls around, especially in that 21-25 age bracket Would like to know what age group and area you’re referencing?
/r/seduction23/09/24 06:08 PM
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Sort of. they think you’re a player right away if you’re above a 7
/r/seduction23/09/24 06:06 PM
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even then you’re mainly going to attract busted chicks and/or crazy ass women. A girl who is a legit 8+ isn’t going to respond to that 9 times out of 10
/r/seduction20/09/24 04:25 PM
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I always find those girls to be the flakiest too. If i have to follow up to get a girl to meet up, it’s almost always a girl that requires chasing in general (aka low interest)
/r/seduction20/09/24 04:23 PM
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Sounds like you’re a woman. Almost never give good advice to get laid
/r/seduction20/09/24 04:22 PM
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pretty sure OP is Playingwithfire their app is called firetexts iirc
/r/seduction20/09/24 04:17 PM
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Fight fire with fire with these flaky ass 2024 women
/r/seduction19/09/24 06:39 PM
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Because that’s women
/r/seduction19/09/24 03:33 PM
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"Sounds like you have bad taste"
/r/seduction19/09/24 02:46 PM
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Women want what they can't have. Technology isn't going to change that.
/r/seduction19/09/24 02:45 PM
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welcome to the seduction sub, where people talk about…seduction
/r/seduction19/09/24 03:30 AM
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this is the way
/r/seduction19/09/24 03:29 AM
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This is the most accurate post in this entire thread Most of it is already decided. A lot of basic texting that guys will criticize as being “boring” will often work fine when the girl is attracted to you. For a lot of guys it’s actually better too because it’ll prevent you from saying some dumb shit
/r/seduction18/09/24 06:58 PM
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There’s a harsh learning curve to actually taking role playing to a date. Many guys are going to get stuck in a mode of continuing the role play too long or only establishing a joking vibe that leads nowhere Tread carefully with this if you haven’t done it before. Keep it brief and get off of it or else you’ll kill the convo You’ll also run into women who will think it’s corny and not go along with it because it comes across game-y like you’re a player (or a dork, depending on how it’s delivered…
/r/seduction18/09/24 06:54 PM
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nah disagree. You’re never going to overcome the human tendency to not value things that come easy It doesn’t matter if she thinks you’re playing a game or actually busy, it works all the same I have friends that will reply instantly and i always think to myself, “do you ever do anything or are you just on the phone all the time dude?” It’s a bad idea across the board no matter era we are in. Scarcity will always increase perceived value because of how we are wired
/r/seduction18/09/24 06:51 PM
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spot on
/r/seduction17/09/24 04:45 AM
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5 is a bit too low for the point you’re trying to make but yeah a 7 is a solid medium as the other guy said
/r/seduction17/09/24 04:45 AM
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It’s just the reality of relationships and the human brain. Theres this weird worship of love i’ve noticed here, and it makes me wonder if the people speaking on it have any significant LTR experience beforehand (at least 5+ years in one) because it doesn’t sound like it The fact is that the human brain is rarely satisfied. You’ll always want the opposite of what you have, and LTRs are a shit ton of work through problems that will test your sanity many times over. There’s a reason why a lot of m…
/r/seduction17/09/24 04:40 AM
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until you get years into that relationship and want to go back to bagging girls left and right lol “Acting like a husband” sounds catchy but isn’t going to change much either. Think about all of the couples in our parents and even grandparents generation that started off with a hookup and it lead to more acting like a husband makes it sound like every successful couple goes through this very respectful process, when in reality a lot of our parents generation were probably slamming lines of coke …
/r/seduction17/09/24 04:31 AM
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Yes they do lol. They banned a girl I know and her profile was about as average as could be (no OF advertising or anything), and she was actually communicating and going on dates etc. Just gone one day and they didn’t say why when she disputed.
/r/seduction12/09/24 01:10 PM
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Hinge tracks the EXIF data in your photos fyi so you’ll need to at least crop them differently
/r/seduction12/09/24 01:09 PM
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Just depends on the guy. Some guys will get laid having deep convos, others will blow it and come off boring. If it works for you, use it
/r/seduction11/09/24 01:58 AM
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Men collectively need to stop entertaining low interest women, leaving simp comments on IG to women who wouldn’t care if you died tomorrow, sending heart eyes on stories to girls who never reply etc The dating scene is largely a dumpster fire because of the ease at which women receive validation for doing absolutely nothing, and even treating guys shitty in some cases.
/r/seduction11/09/24 01:53 AM
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Yeah never too much. Light application that is discovered when getting close = $$$
/r/seduction10/09/24 05:06 AM
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I ignore it and go anyway. As long as you approach in a chill calibrated way there’s not going to be any issues. The worst that could happen is they act snobby but who cares
/r/seduction10/09/24 05:04 AM
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Here we go with people virtue signaling again 🙄 Just answer the man’s question. Yes it can hurt. If you’re with bad chicks that sends the signal you can pull bad chicks. If you’re with busted chicks it’s not the end of the world because it still shows some elements of social proof (safe to be around), but it’s not going to do you any favors
/r/seduction09/09/24 11:33 PM
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There’s people which has a fraction of your matches but manage to date and close almost all of them As someone who has done great with OLD, i’d like to see proof of this. Flakiness is inherent to the environment. Closing almost all of them isn’t realistic
/r/seduction09/09/24 11:29 PM
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Makes a huge difference tbh
/r/seduction08/09/24 08:54 PM
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For sure. Not saying you're interested in his program (I don't have it either), but for anyone who is, I'd recommend checking out his episode on Modern Wisdom to help decide. He basically goes over what it is and there isn't really any marketing pitch. It's a pretty straight forward conversation. I'd be interested in seeing how he's applying his knowledge in a course format for the average guy, but not enough to pay for it.
/r/seduction07/09/24 08:51 PM
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That’s a general skill of letting go of your slip ups in life. It goes beyond just women. Imagine how the kicker on a football team feels when he misses the winning kick to take the team to the playoffs and the entire season is wasted. He has to get past that at some point or he will be ruined. It separates the proverbial pros from the amateurs. All the greats in any field were able to move past their failures and get better for it. I don’t think you can ever fully remove the “sigh” effect in yo…
/r/seduction07/09/24 05:36 PM
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Have known many high value guys who are good with women getting ghosted. Not entirely the answer
/r/seduction07/09/24 05:34 PM
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Agreed. 2010-2014 era was actually fun lol
/r/seduction07/09/24 05:29 PM
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I think you’re right. The dip after covid was massive. 2019 was far better than anything since covid
/r/seduction07/09/24 02:03 AM
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I reset bumble after 2 weeks because theres a sharp dropoff Hinge after about a month
/r/seduction07/09/24 12:18 AM
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Tbh his interview with Chris Williamson was actually pretty good and applicable.
/r/seduction07/09/24 12:13 AM
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Sounds like he just pregames with 1 drink
/r/seduction03/09/24 11:07 PM
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Good post Sidenote, Most hot chicks in the 18-30 range go for the same look these days: sleeve/half sleeve, beard, fade, wears a chain/hat, and looks toxic af. dont believe me? Try it. Also look at the guys these girls are following on IG and hooking up with. It’s always the same archetype. It’s this eras version of the bad boy smoking a cig in a leather jacket in 1950 Every guy i know with this archetype crushes it. Heavy emphasis on the tattoos part
/r/seduction03/09/24 06:58 PM
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Going to be hard for most guys to transition to a flirtier vibe or a number though
/r/seduction01/09/24 12:44 AM
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Just do both. I’d never cut off one for the other. Get better at the weaker one. Guys who say online dating doesn’t work just don’t know how to do it correctly
/r/seduction01/09/24 12:41 AM
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You want more dates? Approach a handful of women EVERY day. There is no way you won't get dates that way. I think this is overblown. I know a really social cool guy who set a goal for himself to approach 10 women every day and after a couple months of doing that he landed zero dates. Ended up meeting a cute chick on Hinge though and they've been together for months now I'm always highly skeptical of the real conversion rate of cold approach to actually getting a girl on a date. Pickup guys never…
/r/seduction30/08/24 04:29 PM
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(only big underlying issue is she doesn't want kids and I eventually do). This will end everything anyway. Time to move on
/r/seduction30/08/24 04:22 PM
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This just furthers my belief that cold approach is a waste of time and social circle + online game is much higher ROI. Those are abysmal numbers for the effort
/r/seduction29/08/24 09:01 PM
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It doesn't have to be weird though, it's really up to you. OP can just act normal from here on out. Say hey, hows your day etc, simple small talk like he's unaffected and keep it moving. It only gets weird if you make it weird and that usually happens when dudes shutdown, never say a word again to the girl, and scurry around the gym trying to avoid her or acting ashamed
/r/seduction27/08/24 02:02 PM
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this. OLD/social has way higher ROI
/r/seduction27/08/24 01:19 PM
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Get blood work done to check test, vitamin D levels, full CBC etc Otherwise, just take a break. Your mind isn't into it, so come back when it is. No one says you have to be chasing ass all the time
/r/seduction27/08/24 06:02 AM
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He's serious though and has an entire program that is hours long talking about this
/r/seduction27/08/24 06:00 AM
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His entire premise with his new content is to not signal desire because it will kill attraction. Don't approach because it signals low value, don't use dating apps, randomly flake dates and disappear in text, act like a moron because girls don't want to hear logic, the guys who don't try are the ones who get the women, and the dynamic you want to create is the woman coming to you. He's primarily a fan of building a social circle, going out with friends regularly, and not trying to draw attention…
/r/seduction27/08/24 04:17 AM
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It’s more than 25% of the game because it gets you the opportunity to even display your social skills (or lack thereof) The guys who aren’t in shape or attractive won’t even get to the part where showing their social skills even matters
/r/seduction26/08/24 10:07 PM
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Spot on. I think there’s some good tips OP gave, but age demographic is a huge factor to consider when you consider OLD advice, and more often than not, simple is best when it comes to text Nail your presentation and keep it simple from there unless the opportunity presents itself for something a bit clever etc.
/r/seduction25/08/24 05:15 PM
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no one here is going to be able to answer this with any reliability
/r/seduction24/08/24 03:49 AM
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staying acting like a 12 year old girl who is shocked to hear men talk about women i'm sure you'll get a kiss from a 2/10 eventually
/r/seduction24/08/24 03:46 AM
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His links are legit and he posts here a lot. I would say the disconnect between you guys is he’s breaking things down to an autistic level of detail which some guys need to understand Your viewpoint is more bigger picture when it all comes together. But a pencil neck dork who is a virgin on here won’t understand what entails being relaxed and chill with a girl while simultaneously attracting her which is why they’re here to start with You guys are both right in different ways, and it depends wha…
/r/seduction23/08/24 07:00 PM
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You sound real feminine
/r/seduction23/08/24 06:54 PM
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Hottest girls i've hooked up with came from online
/r/seduction23/08/24 12:46 AM
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Much higher volume of women though
/r/seduction22/08/24 03:16 PM
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Online isn’t saturated when you see how bad most guys profiles are
/r/seduction22/08/24 03:13 PM
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I think approaching is a good social exercise but this point you bring up is something i’ve noticed too. They never ever show the follow up. It’s just implied that they closed that girl all the way. In reality, they likely got rejected 99/100 times before that approach AND that girl probably flaked in text or never replied
/r/seduction22/08/24 03:12 PM
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?? You can have kids until youre damn near 90
/r/seduction22/08/24 03:03 PM
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You can try hard at something and still be detached from the outcome. I’ve trained hard for sports competitions that i wanted to win, but ultimately, i knew that if i didn’t win it wasn’t the end of my life or anything. I was fine with the outcome if i didn’t win, but i still tried really hard and did well. That’s the mindset. You’d like to have her, but it’s ok if you don’t because there’s more girls and more opportunities
/r/seduction21/08/24 06:45 PM
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I’ve always had way above average results on dating apps, but I used to be in my head a lot when approaching. I wouldn’t know how to open, or i would interpret any little thing as a negative response from the girl. Plus at the time i didn’t understand the concept of volume, so i’d do it a few times, not see any results and go back to the comfort zone (apps) It’s a very different game. A lot of attractive guys are in their head and it can get worse if they get negative reactions from girls which …
/r/seduction21/08/24 06:42 PM
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this I default to avoiding it. The upside is low and the downside is high
/r/seduction21/08/24 06:34 PM
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agreed that quote is a really bad idea
/r/seduction20/08/24 01:14 AM
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Kissing the girl off the hug coming from a dating app is going to go badly for most people having this issue
/r/seduction19/08/24 11:55 PM
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You can def pull girls faster than a few months if you're the new guy in a social group. Takes finesse and knowing how to work a group but it can be done quickly for sure. Social circle remains my favorite followed by online game second
/r/seduction19/08/24 11:23 PM
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Surprised no one has pointed out the obvious here: cold approach mostly sucks because it goes against women’s programming (safety and security). Thats why social circle is superior Anytime you start off as a stranger and she has zero read on you, the close rate is going to be extremely low Womens standards aren’t even that high on average either. I don’t remember a woman ever telling me a dude needs to make 6 figures or be 6’3 etc. Guys blow that shit up or post highlight clips from certain vide…
/r/seduction19/08/24 07:25 PM
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Because you’re still focused on her “i really want to get laid with her” is the proof, If you had 10 girls wanting to bang you’d still want to smash, but it wouldn’t matter as much. Your desire would be tempered a bit because you’re in abundance and care less about any one single option Once you feel it, it’s like magic
/r/seduction19/08/24 07:17 PM
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spot on
/r/seduction19/08/24 07:14 PM
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lol yes it’s a waste of $
/r/seduction19/08/24 07:10 PM
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Ehhh it’s a night and day difference if you were average and then drastically improved your looks. The game becomes far easier
/r/seduction19/08/24 07:06 PM
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This, also gives the illusion of status in an environment and from there it’s smooth sailing As a sidenote, there’s also a tipping point to where you can intimidate girls (or they can assume you have an ego) if you’re really good looking so you may notice you get approached less as you improve
/r/seduction19/08/24 07:02 PM
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Exposure therapy. Do it 1000 times and see if you still have the proble m
/r/seduction18/08/24 09:25 PM
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Gym is the best place to meet someone else who is fit. This arbitrary boundary of the gym being a sacred place where people cannot approach has to stop.
/r/seduction17/08/24 03:32 AM
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Don’t let one random weirdo move you off center. It’s quite literally 1 in billions. Move onto the next
/r/seduction17/08/24 01:28 AM
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she needs to feel that you are shying away from physical touch even during conversations. Did you mean AREN'T shying away?
/r/seduction16/08/24 06:17 AM
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Lol thats actually a pretty good opener
/r/seduction16/08/24 05:39 AM
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that pull 10 out of 10 girls all the time This is a flat out lie and/or you don't know what a 10 actually is. 10's are the girls in VIP sections, doing international modeling/beauty pageants, have millions of followers on Instagram etc. Your 4/10 friends aren't even getting near those women. Stop it.
/r/seduction16/08/24 04:10 AM
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So they’re all fucking other girls and you’re cool rotating them basically?
/r/seduction16/08/24 01:56 AM
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No 4/10 man is pulling a legit 10, that’s just silly
/r/seduction16/08/24 01:52 AM
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nope its just as bad. Its a fake rule is why. You can just move your matches to the hidden folder and keep talking to new people or your old matches
/r/seduction14/08/24 09:18 PM
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Thank god someone said it...you can always tell who hasn't been in a relationship for years on end with a woman lol. They're living in a dream world by thinking its some great romantic journey, but learn the hard way i suppose. It's A LOT of work, responsibility, and will test your sanity many times over To answer OP, the thrill of the chase/new women will always tempt you. You'll never escape it since you've been exposed to it. You'll either have to reach true, deep burnout from dating so much …
/r/seduction13/08/24 05:55 PM
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This is a dope idea. She told me she was going to “give me a fitness test to see if i can keep up” though lol. First time i’ve had a woman outright say she’s testing me before she does it 😂
/r/seduction12/08/24 03:39 PM
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I agree. I did a cut not too long ago where I got legit shredded which made for some good photos that women liked and got me a lot of matches on dating apps + comments in person, but quality of life suffers. You can maintain a fit muscular physique women find highly attractive around 13-15% body fat and be able to go out and have a burger and some drinks without freaking out. That's where most guys should aim imo
/r/seduction11/08/24 07:54 PM
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Go on a hard cut and diet properly until you have veins everywher. Thats the very basic description of what bodybuilders do and what is required to actually get lean. Calorie deficit and ride it out long enough to lose fat all over your body until your abs are shredded. Every single person is capable of it. How do i know? If you went into the hospital tomorrow and couldn’t eat a thing, you would rapidly drop weight until you died of starvation. Your body is capable, it just always comes back to …
/r/seduction11/08/24 06:51 PM
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Even with the ones he was attracted to and had good in-person interactions/dates with, the outcome was still bad. Note how some of those girls were physically escalating on him…and their interest and attention span still wasn’t high enough to come back. I agree in-person is a better way to purely vet looks, but there’s no way to realistically prevent this hot/cold issue that is so prominent now. Some guys will try to attribute it to needing more game or needing to do more of tactic X and Y to bu…
/r/seduction11/08/24 06:39 PM
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Same creature, different medium. Women are just like this. In-person won’t save you The most common complaint i see with guys nowadays is how girls go from hot to cold. Girl shows all the signs of high interest on the date and then boom…gone. Flakiness and fickleness is at an all time high and it’s difficult to trace the reason why beyond the typical answers of social media/apps creating inflated standards and the paradox of choice.
/r/seduction11/08/24 05:08 PM
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Reply on the toilet (serious). You have time you’re just choosing not to use it. Drink a cup of coffee for the caffeine boost, spend a couple minutes replying and move on. It’s not that hard and i work an exhausting job too so i can relate to the mental fatigue you’re talking about
/r/seduction10/08/24 04:50 PM
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Tesla story sounds like a porno lol. Run into an uber driver who gives you a ride home (for free?), convo sucks, so you decide to ask her for a BJ out of nowhere AND she is down? Lmao what is going on
/r/seduction10/08/24 04:39 PM
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Seduction is about getting laid, not finding a wife
/r/seduction09/08/24 07:34 PM
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This strategy is missing a big part of the puzzle which is her side. You’re saying that by waiting it can lead to a better situation for a relationship, so in other words when you exercise your own self discipline, this can potentially lead to a more solid situation for a potential relationship However, it doesn’t fully make sense because the biggest factor is actually vetting HER and her intentions. She may be down to fuck first date which is the bigger thing to pay attention to, but by going w…
/r/seduction09/08/24 07:27 PM
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this is the way
/r/seduction09/08/24 07:23 PM
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One of the most psychotic (and hottest) women I ever dated waited until date 5 and I went against my own rule because I figured it'd be worth it -- incredibly wrong. She came from a traditional family, parents still together, but absolutely batshit crazy. I've also had girls who don't date much put out on the first date. I personally have never found correlation between how fast a girl puts out and her values. Some of the most reserved girls will be down to have sex quickly if they're highly att…
/r/seduction08/08/24 04:43 AM
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Why is Zara in the 70-125k bracket? I was buying Zara when i was making 30k a year lol. A lot of their fabric sucks too and is more appropriate for a low budget range. Good designs though
/r/seduction08/08/24 04:34 AM
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100% agree
/r/seduction07/08/24 08:38 PM
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Actually an interesting idea. It does have a psychological effect
/r/seduction07/08/24 05:11 AM
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good post
/r/seduction07/08/24 05:08 AM
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gross
/r/seduction07/08/24 05:05 AM
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I’ve never gotten the impression that true PUA is about being a total fake. Solid PUA really just enhances who you are to a level where you should be, ie: confident, assertive leader who is charming and fun.
/r/seduction07/08/24 04:55 AM
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You’ve heard VERY wrong
/r/seduction07/08/24 04:53 AM
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There’s really only a few things that differ. A long term relationship is basically you pulling her over and over again. Most pickup advice works well for a LTR if you think about it in an extended time frame The REAL challenge is not getting bored of her or having sex with the same body year after year. Goodluck out there because it’s difficult and after awhile it can be hard to see the payoff in what you’re doing
/r/seduction07/08/24 04:52 AM
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They’re polluting youtube/ig/tiktok comments a lot now too. Always trying their hardest to prove that you’re fucked without looks Either do what you can to make yourself better looking and work with the hand you’ve been dealt or shut up and accept defeat. I can’t understand why they try to convince other people to their viewpoint all the time Cool you think any guy without looks is fucked..meanwhile some guy without looks got laid today
/r/seduction07/08/24 04:49 AM
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Yeah guys are more dramatic than women these days. It’s no wonder masculinity is on the decline and girls complain about not being able to find a manly man anymore. Never once have i had a cold approach go like that nor seen it. Just fuckin talk to the girl and if she isn’t feeling it, leave
/r/seduction07/08/24 04:46 AM
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Nah your observations are right dude. Flakiness is at an all time high and only getting worse I know guys besides myself that typically kill it across dating apps and in-person and it’s been a rough year for all of them in that regard. Things are evolving and there’s been a couple of threads lately on this topic If more of these pickup dudes were honest about their actual conversion rates to turn a number into a date there would be more realistic expectations in this space to compare to, but eve…
/r/seduction02/08/24 08:42 PM
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Need to end this bs about not approaching women at the gym It’s not some sacred place. Just do it
/r/seduction02/08/24 08:01 PM
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Yeah game really only exists for that middle ground you described and for the high attraction guys to not fumble a good situation. The implied idea that game can work magic on any girl is nonsense, but highly profitable
/r/seduction31/07/24 07:30 PM
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Unless she’s blind, game can’t come before anything else. That’s not physically possible
/r/seduction31/07/24 07:04 PM
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Yup social circle is by far better than anything else if you can get a steady flow going
/r/seduction28/07/24 01:50 AM
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I think it's difficult to convey the balance that's needed between being forward enough to progress things and escalate (aka what guys commonly preach as 'man to woman vibe'), while not crossing into miscalibrating and over-escalation I commonly see advice to sexualize things or push the flirtyness to escalate, so I can see how someone would go too far in that direction quickly
/r/seduction28/07/24 01:20 AM
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I wouldn't think of it as you being this negative thing, you just need to learn some new skills to stack on top of who you are. You can still be the human you are at your core, just learn to communicate in a way that will better serve your goal. You need to learn to speak the language of women essentially, because right now you're communicating in a way that appeals to how men communicate, which isn't conducive to seduction with women. PlayingWithFire (text game) and Coach Kyle (in-person social…
/r/seduction27/07/24 05:09 AM
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The way you phrased this post shows that your communication isn’t attractive. It sounds very transactional and dry. You’re likely too logical, stiff, and lacking the “cool guy” factor that makes the interaction feel smooth and flirty. I’d read more on here about frame, flirting, text game, and how to run a date that leads to the pull
/r/seduction27/07/24 01:55 AM
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here we go again loosely calling girls 9s and 10s when they’re really 6s and 7s
/r/seduction27/07/24 01:51 AM
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Genuinely curious how you factor a smaller city being better for dating when there are less options overall. In theory you would also need that city to have a higher female than male population to make up for it
/r/seduction26/07/24 04:05 PM
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Interesting…Obesity statistics are actually continuing to increase and a tiny subset of the population actually lifts weights. I find the data lines up with my real life experience too. most guys aren’t actually in good shape
/r/seduction26/07/24 04:03 PM
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Yeah they’re more resistant and cautious of being played
/r/seduction26/07/24 04:00 PM
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I don’t think anything can change it. pandora’s box can’t be shut
/r/seduction26/07/24 03:54 PM
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Yeah the massive city thing is such a gamechanger. That's the best thing to do if you don't want to do the passport bro thing
/r/seduction26/07/24 04:02 AM
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The things that happen outside of the US...
/r/seduction26/07/24 03:44 AM
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Lower your standards, but idk man that seems like an incredibly inefficient way of living
/r/seduction26/07/24 03:43 AM
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Spoken like a true woman who can't get a relationship
/r/seduction26/07/24 03:42 AM
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interesting username lol
/r/seduction26/07/24 03:41 AM
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2) Social circle game is still (by far) king when it comes to attracting beautiful women, simply because this has always been the number one method women have used to source men for sex and relationships. Why not advertise where women are shopping? Maximizing your social circle, especially being in a friend circle of good looking guys who have an exciting lifestyle who attract beautiful women, as well as having female platonic friends (as wingmen) to help source beautiful women and bring them ri…
/r/seduction26/07/24 02:07 AM
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It seems like women are less interested in dating in general. This is the big factor that guys aren't talking about enough right now. It's starting to bubble up more and more. You can see it on dating apps and in person. Tiktok & youtube trends from women talking about this too. The women I personally know talk about being burnt out from dating because guys just want hookups, no one wants a relationship, and they're tired of being ghosted or investing into interactions that don't go anywhere. Th…
/r/seduction26/07/24 01:59 AM
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That advice isn't bad though because those are things you can control. What's the alternative? "Just quit dude you're screwed" That isn't helpful
/r/seduction26/07/24 01:57 AM
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Yes, women are flooded with attention but they absolutely do not have the opportunities to date you think they do nailed it
/r/seduction26/07/24 01:53 AM
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“you’re doing this exercise slightly wrong” I like the general idea of overcoming this stupid "don't approach girls in the gym" bs that gets repeated, but this type of approach is going to go over very poorly with the girls who are really fit or in there all the time. Do not advise
/r/seduction26/07/24 01:34 AM
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We are talking about the elite levels of beauty. Having a cool personality isn’t going to cut it
/r/seduction25/07/24 01:56 AM
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With 9/10s - theyve seen it all. Don’t approach it with seduction or “game” mindset. They will sniff it out and you’ll be toast. Slow is fast. Be assertive, opinionated, & genuine. Plan activity oriented dates that are a bit off beat where you can get to know them. Low pressure and humor. Again, slow is fast. These girls rarely get down fast so dont think about getting laid. They want to feel safe emotionally, physically, financially. They have no choice to move slowly because they need to emoti…
/r/seduction24/07/24 09:30 PM
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9s and 10s are actually the least entitled and most humble of them all because they know they were born with every advantage and want to feel like certain things weren't just handed to them on a silver platter...they want to be the ones exerting the effort. With them you want to lower your ki and slow everything down. Stoicism is more effective the hotter the girl is because she perceives that as u keeping your lust in check and holds you as better than her. This is mostly wrong and based in the…
/r/seduction24/07/24 09:19 PM
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So much bad advice in this thread that is clearly based on theory rather than guys actually interacting with this level of woman u/TripleDigitNomad nailed it when he said status. That's literally it..your seduction skills or stoic frame or whatever aren't going to do anything 9 times out of 10 if you don't have status to go with it because of the access they have to other powerful men This is speaking of a true 10, which is international model-level beauty, not the cute chick at the gas station …
/r/seduction24/07/24 09:15 PM
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Lmao you’re still 12 years out from your prime
/r/seduction23/07/24 07:29 PM
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I’ve noticed the same. Maybe it’s incels commenting out of jealousy
/r/seduction20/07/24 02:03 AM
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It does matter in the sense that if it creates an unrealistic expectation that isn't even possible to hit, you'll just beat yourself up despite making legit good progress
/r/seduction19/07/24 09:32 PM
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Because if they had attractive qualites and got laid and I had not and didn't get laid, that would mean natural selection would be working correctly. The problem is its hard to tell who is actually getting laid. Guys lie their ass off about this. The OP in this reply thread was spot on about guys exaggerating or lying
/r/seduction19/07/24 07:20 AM
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this is the right answer for the guys that have done both You can’t actually “win” because of how the human brain is wired. It all gets old
/r/seduction18/07/24 04:14 AM
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You’re failing to recognize this works on other women so that’s where the idea comes from. Also depends on the age. This works great on women 18-25
/r/seduction17/07/24 04:02 AM
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Spot on. no clue why people are downvoting you..virtue signaling i guess
/r/seduction17/07/24 03:59 AM
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I highly suggest not doing that. It just signals for us to go find another girl who is actually interested
/r/seduction17/07/24 02:07 AM
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As a coach, how do you balance taking a break and still putting out content? Seems like you’d never truly get a break since you have to be thinking about dating in some capacity and coaching others
/r/seduction17/07/24 12:52 AM
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What’s your definition of a warm approach? Seems like everyone defines it differently
/r/seduction15/07/24 03:05 AM
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you're splitting hairs dude. These little slight word adjustments don't change anything if she doesn't find you attractive If she does find you attractive she will simply accept the invite. You guys overanalyze this stuff too much..its already decided based on attraction level. It's just up to you to not sound weird from there and project a normal, cool vibe. That's it
/r/seduction13/07/24 09:02 PM
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If you're not like OP (6'3", lucrative career, good looking) - you will have a hard time. It's not any easier in real life. The myth with cold approach is that this somehow doesn't matter as much, but if you aren't attractive, one glance from a woman and you're done in real life too. The truly average guy (think 5/10 looks, average height and build) is going to get nearly 0 ROI from approaching irl and online dating. That's the state of the game right now and both are heavily influenced by looks…
/r/seduction13/07/24 06:18 AM
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So the thing is that the male population is always in flux, and typically for the worst (look at obesity statistics for example). For every 10 guys who improve, there will probably be double that on the decline. It’s easy to get caught in a bubble because you’re in the self improvement space, but most guys aren’t even aware of the things discussed here let alone practice them on a regular basis I also know some women are are objectively 9s (models) and the guys I’ve seen them with are literally …
/r/seduction12/07/24 07:33 PM
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Yeah you're in an elite category if you're getting 2-3 hookups per month from OLD. Most guys cant even get more than a few matches let alone a date lol
/r/seduction12/07/24 12:58 AM
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username checks out
/r/seduction09/07/24 12:55 AM
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Some others in this thread said they do great in Seattle so which is it? lol
/r/seduction09/07/24 12:21 AM
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exactly. It’s a 24/7 job
/r/seduction09/07/24 12:15 AM
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I’ve dated 3 from dating apps. A lot of them don’t want any of the dudes in their DM and have a hard time finding a decent option, so they use the apps
/r/seduction08/07/24 11:58 PM
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Yeah the game doesn’t even begin til 35+ imo You really come into a different state of confidence and success, plus you can pull a variety of ages, younger or older
/r/seduction05/07/24 02:00 AM
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I did "expanding my social circle" all through uni and my experience is that cold approach works much better A lot of nuance missing here. If you play your cards right with social circle game you should literally have leads falling in your lap
/r/seduction20/06/24 06:08 PM
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He's probably not getting actual IOIs either. Unless a girl makes that shit REALLY obvious (remember this is before ever talking to you), they're going to be hard to notice. Many won't throw any at all even though they'd be receptive if you talked to them. He's making it sound like he's Brad Pitt walking through the city with women winking and smiling at him like a movie. The premise itself is either delusion or a misinterpretation, or he really does look like Brad Pitt
/r/seduction19/06/24 07:47 PM
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Expanding your social circle is much better than cold approaching. This is the realest shit ever in a community that parades the idea of approaching strangers as being optimal. It's a good skill to have but it is wildly inefficient
/r/seduction18/06/24 11:27 PM
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your mind is holding you back
/r/seduction18/06/24 11:26 PM
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Preach. waiting on some dork to refute this idea and say being vulnerable is the way
/r/seduction18/06/24 11:23 PM
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it ESPECIALLY applies to LTR where everything is drastically harder
/r/seduction18/06/24 11:23 PM
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the fact you measured your ratio makes you unfuckable. Go outside
/r/seduction18/06/24 11:21 PM
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The competition is actually declining, not increasing. Go outside and see for yourself or swipe on the girls side of a dating app. The competition is an actual joke
/r/seduction18/06/24 11:17 PM
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This makes it sound like you can just be any dumbass and get women as long as you talk to them and that's just not true. You've oversimplified things the opposite way of the guys you're criticizing for selling courses There's guys doing exactly what you're talking about and getting zero results whatsoever
/r/seduction18/06/24 11:15 PM
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If you watch someone who truly has good game talk to women you’ll realize it isn’t RNG The RNG element is her availability, but many factors can be influenced by your actions to generate more successful outcomes overall
/r/seduction17/06/24 07:28 PM
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I’ve been seeing this mentality a lot on youtube videos where guys are giving up on dating. They say things like, “i just want to be myself” and because it’s not working, they’re giving up altogether Dozens of comments agreeing with this mentality too Like you said, zero introspection
/r/seduction07/06/24 03:04 PM
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The biggest dilemma is how do you fake it if it can’t be faked? I understand the idea of putting the causes in motion, but if a guy is having zero success he’s going to have to start by faking it to some degree to get anywhere. If he isn’t confident, he’s going to have to try and act confident in order to pull a girl to start building proof to himself that he’s actually capable, thus creating confidence But the idea of “it can’t be faked” would essentially leave the newbie stranded in no man’s l…
/r/seduction07/06/24 03:02 PM
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spot on
/r/seduction07/06/24 02:56 PM
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Posting infield usually gets people banned now sadly
/r/seduction07/06/24 02:18 PM
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some dudes That's the point of a generalization.... We know what most men would find attractive in a woman. Splitting hairs into specifics is no longer a generalization Giselle Bundchen isn't my type at all, but i know she's objectively attractive to males Most men are not going to turn her down for sex What constitutes an attractive person is more objective than subjective. Subjectivity is a cope
/r/seduction01/06/24 06:49 PM
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Same experience here and also in a metro area, although not as big as NYC
/r/seduction31/05/24 04:51 PM
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It’s not bullshit because outside of guys being hammered at a bar or club, no one approaches irl. It takes balls to approach a 9 on the street in a confident way and most guys wouldn’t dare. I mean really when is the last time you witnessed a guy approach a dime out of the blue where alcohol wasn’t involved?
/r/seduction31/05/24 02:35 PM
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Your post would apply if the reverse was happening because he likely cares less about the 7 then he does the 9, which would allude to him coming off more attractive to the 7 due to less neediness. But it’s not happening that way
/r/seduction31/05/24 02:32 PM
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We know who the objectively hot women are though. The chick with the flat stomach, D cup, nice long hair, clear skin, nice teeth etc is objectively hot no matter if she’s your personal type or not. Most men would rate a woman highly off that brief description alone
/r/seduction31/05/24 02:31 PM
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Most guys definitely expect to get laid if a girl invited them over for a movie lol. Expectations doesn’t mean entitlement though. You’re not entitled for her to do anything at all, but i’d be going into it with the expectation that she wants to if she’s inviting me to her house like that. We are adults, we don’t play checkers and sit there with our hands folded with the opposite sex. Both sides know what’s going on
/r/seduction31/05/24 02:27 PM
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Wtf does the 2010s have to do with anything? 😂
/r/seduction31/05/24 02:22 PM
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That’s part of your problem
/r/seduction31/05/24 06:46 AM
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Spot on about confidence. You can’t fake it because people feel it, and you need proof of success to fully embody real confidence
/r/seduction31/05/24 06:46 AM
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Status is the biggest attractor of women if you can attain it, but you don't need it to attract women. Most men who pull do not have status in the traditional sense. With money you just need enough to be self sufficient and be able to date without stressing that you're not going to be able to pay the light bill. a guy in his late 20's normally has all of his shit together and I'm still on my way. No he doesn't lol. More people than ever are getting crushed by this economic state and there's peop…
/r/seduction30/05/24 06:16 PM
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I agree. The try again in 15 mins thing is so weird to me So what’s your vote? Skip the kiss to generate intrigue or always go for it first date if you think she’s into you ?
/r/seduction29/05/24 07:59 PM
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reddit is the place where people assume they know you and then speak in absolutes
/r/seduction29/05/24 07:25 PM
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Girls like this are for the streets so this is def the play if you want to smash, but it’s a bad idea to take these girls seriously beyond that
/r/seduction26/05/24 04:00 PM
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Besides your roommate, those are all guys with extreme status though. This is some rando dude, who by his description would get an "ew" from most girls. 1500 is just too extreme for that description
/r/seduction25/05/24 10:35 PM
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He got the cat thing from Patrice O’Neal, which is worth exploring all his old radio show episodes
/r/seduction25/05/24 04:59 AM
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All the guys that I knew who had body counts beyond the stratosphere could never be alone. This is wild lol, just posted this above about a guy i knew. Same situation
/r/seduction25/05/24 04:12 AM
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You had me until “her dumb little brain” Then you don't have enough experience to understand what he's saying with that
/r/seduction25/05/24 04:04 AM
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Once you get a taste for 10 and a 8 is giving you the same shit . She ain’t getting any facts
/r/seduction25/05/24 04:04 AM
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This is one of the most true to life posts I've seen on here. This is 100% accurate for the guys that have huge body counts. I've witnessed this and one of the guys I'm thinking of was an absolute trainwreck if he was left alone for more than a night or two. He covered up a lot of his internal problems with women He'd get laid 8-10x a week sometimes with a new girl every time, but most of them would be pretty mid. He would pull some really hot women here and there though just off volume alone. V…
/r/seduction25/05/24 03:49 AM
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this
/r/seduction25/05/24 03:46 AM
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A guy who is skinny as fuck with a feminine voice that gets mistaken for being gay has't slept with 1/50th of that number. Not buying it unless there's some proof provided
/r/seduction25/05/24 03:44 AM
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The key is to keep girls around that you friendzoned. It's a cheat code tbh. If they're the ones that friendzone you its a bad situation
/r/seduction25/05/24 03:42 AM
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Can project feminine behavior in a lot of ways, but the common one is usually overly eager or expressiveness above what the girl is showing
/r/seduction25/05/24 01:12 AM
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yeah you can. Just act like you don’t know and once you pull you can brush it off “well i had to say something to you” deliver it with the right demeanor and they don’t care
/r/seduction24/05/24 10:23 PM
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When I tried to make things official Never do this
/r/seduction24/05/24 04:16 AM
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Needy behavior is usually the biggest offender. Also talking too much, coming off feminine, or rushing things too quickly Text logs usually always reveal the problem in my experience. Can tell a lot about a guys communication
/r/seduction24/05/24 04:15 AM
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We would have to see your text logs and convos in person with these girls to understand what’s going on. High chance you’re doing something that can be corrected
/r/seduction23/05/24 11:43 PM
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What I’m saying is FWB do work. One person has to think something more is there and one person has to pretend there is more there this is the post everyone in this thread should read. This part is 100% accurate...this is the real way it happens
/r/seduction23/05/24 06:33 AM
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This is the core issue of everyone who is into pickup and has big body count numbers too. If we are honest, pickup and wanting a large body count stems from the addiction to female attention or else there wouldn't be any reason to do it. There's obviously self-development benefits to be had, but its all in the pursuit of a woman giving you that dopamine hit, which is why its always about the next girl you can rack up once you smash one. Women are the most potent drug on earth. For example my bar…
/r/seduction23/05/24 12:21 AM
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That’s not the point. Guys come to learn game because their natural authentic self doesn’t understand it. They aren’t naturals and that’s the problem
/r/seduction22/05/24 01:59 AM
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Yeah i’d describe it as a science that is occurring beneath the surface, but it’s an art above the surface The moves that trigger the response you’re looking for are working because they’re leveraging biology (a complex process), but the art is the timing and choice of those decisions based on what she’s giving you in that moment.
/r/seduction22/05/24 01:58 AM
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The root problem is she’s low interest. Women make themselves available when they really like a guy
/r/seduction22/05/24 01:54 AM
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correct response
/r/seduction22/05/24 01:53 AM
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the question is can you do better?
/r/seduction22/05/24 01:21 AM
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A lot of guys lie so try not to feel like shit
/r/seduction22/05/24 01:17 AM
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The hole in Mystery’s advice and yours splitting the days up is that some girls can be pulled quickly. Comfort is important, but sometimes that comfort is built fast. You’re just not going to pull?
/r/seduction22/05/24 12:47 AM
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lol what? he said a ton in this post He broke down the entire problem to give guys an understanding of why their communication isn’t working There’s a ton of value here. Are we reading the same thing?
/r/seduction22/05/24 12:45 AM
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100% facts. Some of the most bizarre and unhinged posts that make zero sense. No idea how he's still on here tbh
/r/seduction20/05/24 04:57 AM
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facts
/r/seduction20/05/24 03:07 AM
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yeah I only use hinge when i have premium. You can get dates on the free version too but its much slower and they show you hotter women when you pay in my experience
/r/seduction20/05/24 03:03 AM
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Most accurate post in this thread. Results vary a lot. The "looking for a life partner" girl sometimes ends up being the easiest one to hookup with and the tatted up chick who looks like a stripper wants "something serious first" etc
/r/seduction19/05/24 04:49 PM
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Because the hottest women are in the gym and many of them are homebodies. Approaching in the gym is simple and the internet makes it this super weirdo taboo thing. It’s usually better to play a longer game with gym girls you see regularly
/r/seduction18/05/24 05:40 PM
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Yup this is the way. Women have a type, but it’ll bend very easily for the guy that can make them feel a certain type of way More on #3 would be good
/r/seduction18/05/24 05:18 PM
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I’ll give someone $100 if they can show proof of getting a same day lay with a LEGIT hot chick in the US off a cold approach on the street. The chances of that occurring are so minuscule and unrealistic for 99% of men it’s not even worth discussing I’m all for approaching and shooting the shot, but most guys in the US in 2024 will be lucky to get any kind of date out of an approach with an actual hot girl (not some mid chick) let alone a same day lay lol
/r/seduction18/05/24 05:03 PM
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Appreciate the reply man. Do you think it’s ok to go out there this time of year? Read various opinions about the seaweed problem on the beaches supposedly but i’ve never been to that region myself, also not sure about the weather
/r/seduction18/05/24 05:40 AM
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Was thinking about checking it out. You liked it better than Cancun or Tulum? Why?
/r/seduction18/05/24 01:46 AM
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1) It takes experience to understand what dating advice actually works. Most people giving advice have no idea what it’s like in a variety of scenarios across a wide spectrum of women. There’s usually 1-2 good posts in a thread that has 100 replies. 2) Not all eye contact is created equal. A girls eyes tell the story of her desire level. This takes experience to hone in on, but it’s also programmed into us to some degree. There’s an undeniable “look” in a girls eyes when she’s genuinely into you…
/r/seduction17/05/24 05:34 PM
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Some women will absolutely play hard to get in the beginning. It’s not always a game either, some use it as a screening method because they’re afraid to open up and get hurt
/r/seduction17/05/24 05:27 PM
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You’re giving guys WAY too much credit. Most will become even more antisocial because of the difficulty. just look at the obesity rate…people can’t even control their bodyweight let alone overcome social anxiety and pull chicks
/r/seduction16/05/24 11:14 PM
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this is actually a good, brief breakdown of the process overall
/r/seduction14/05/24 06:24 AM
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. If most of them get a boyfriend or something they dump you as a friend This is accurate female friends can be great for connecting you to other women though. You can befriend them and be cool with them without much energy required on your end, but there is a lifespan on that friendship in most cases The same can be said for most guys though and a lot of guys are snakes, so pick your poison. Ultimately you're lucky if you have 1-2 close, trustworthy friends in a lifetime
/r/seduction14/05/24 01:32 AM
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i knew it was Casey just by the title lol
/r/seduction14/05/24 01:10 AM
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Regret is way worse than the rejection If you’re good looking you may freak girls out via nervousness and they will reject you even though they think you’re hot
/r/seduction10/05/24 07:04 PM
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You’re not a pile of shit and you shouldn’t give up You should fix that brutal self talk first
/r/seduction10/05/24 07:03 PM
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Mind is blown he thought his look / lack of grooming was a good idea. that alone will get him rejected by 99% His fearlessness to just go for it is solid though
/r/seduction10/05/24 07:00 PM
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Are you alluding to the idea that you can optimize skillset to the point where it’s no longer a numbers game?
/r/seduction10/05/24 06:56 PM
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solid point about the bf
/r/seduction10/05/24 06:54 PM
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Elaborate more on that last part
/r/seduction10/05/24 06:54 PM
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I wouldn’t even listen to 90%+ of adult men across any age group Most guys have zero idea how this stuff actually works
/r/seduction09/05/24 12:51 AM
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this guy gets it
/r/seduction09/05/24 12:50 AM
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Commit to a girl mentally? Bro what are you saying lol She literally doesn’t know you. There should be zero “commitment” of any kind in your head
/r/seduction09/05/24 12:21 AM
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Same and had a friend who was super athletic and had girls around, but would freeze up in social scenarios with groups or where women didn’t come to him first Like completely frozen
/r/seduction08/05/24 08:46 PM
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yeah i was gonna say male models are still going to outshine the competition at damn near 60
/r/seduction08/05/24 08:44 PM
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Interesting, i did the reverse. Was in LTRs, but find the game way more fun and interesting. Always a new adventure
/r/seduction08/05/24 01:11 AM
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Get lean, build muscle, get teeth, style, and grooming on point and you'll stand out Not every guy is a GQ model but every guy can boost their looks a lot
/r/seduction08/05/24 01:09 AM
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Dope thanks dude. Having trouble finding it so far but ill keep looking
/r/seduction08/05/24 01:08 AM
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Whats the video course called?
/r/seduction07/05/24 02:24 PM
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Being good looking would give him an advantage for spam approaching at the mall too though. The strategy he's talking about works for everyone, just like day game can. Handsome dudes also benefit from both. They're interchangeable.
/r/seduction07/05/24 02:21 PM
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So you basically have about 3 options on earth for a wife lol
/r/seduction02/05/24 07:26 PM
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Yeah most people don't want to do any work so they'll just talk shit about a method to give themselves a reason why its not worth doing I actually like it when i see stuff like that because it tells you theres opportunity
/r/seduction02/05/24 06:09 PM
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Its likely 100% for guys they find attractive
/r/seduction02/05/24 05:46 PM
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Todd is good looking?
/r/seduction02/05/24 06:04 AM
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trying to date younger women that aren’t gold diggers/damaged/ Well that just X'd out the majority of the younger women population lol, specifically the damaged part
/r/seduction02/05/24 05:57 AM
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Interesting..seems like the idea then is just let the photos speak for itself and dont put anything clever or over the top up that could turn women off
/r/seduction01/05/24 08:38 PM
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Using your analogies, Durant is still one of the best players in his era. Just because he isn’t Kobe or Jordan doesn’t mean he isn’t elite With game, just because a guy doubts himself in the face of experience doesn’t mean he has zero game. He wouldn’t have experience otherwise There may be bigger fish to fry, but we are talking about the specific scope of results with women. If someone has gotten results before and now they’re not, that can be confusing. Look at the other posts It may not even …
/r/seduction01/05/24 03:46 PM
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Sounds like that is your definition of a man with game Even pro athletes deal with imposter syndrome during cold streaks which is why sports psychologists exist Were they never good athletes to start with?
/r/seduction01/05/24 03:09 PM
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So you intentionally try to make a bio that is generic? with the prompts
/r/seduction01/05/24 02:50 PM
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Even if you THINK you're behaving the same on every date; I promise you, you're acting way different during the success vs failed streaks. This is a gem
/r/seduction01/05/24 05:17 AM
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Randomly approaching women on the street is such a waste of time. No idea how cold approaching like that ever became “the thing” to push
/r/seduction01/05/24 03:20 AM
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facts
/r/seduction01/05/24 01:02 AM
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This is real talk. So many dorks in this thread acting like they know what these girls are like
/r/seduction01/05/24 01:01 AM
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Oh, word? Are you sure it isn't normal conversation that happens to stray into the territory of something you feel insecure and inadequate about? Because once I turned into a grown man it seems like these phenomenon you're referencing disappear completely. One of the most disconnected posts I've seen on here. Mind is blown you somehow managed to attribute clear societal changes to projection. Yeah dude, all those girls with 500k on IG getting showered with attention are sweet girls just having n…
/r/seduction30/04/24 11:09 PM
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To me that is the most challenging scenario with one of these types because they get flooded with attention both online and in person every day. The hot girl in the gym gets chatted up by dudes endlessly, so separating from the pack with only a minute to talk is high level skill
/r/seduction30/04/24 08:37 PM
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What would you do in a scenario where you see a 8/9 that you want to pull, but you can't play the long game. A scenario where you will see her once and never again?
/r/seduction30/04/24 08:32 PM
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This is a niche that is heavily reliant on people sharing what works for THEM So observe what is said here, then go test it in the field and make your own conclusion
/r/seduction30/04/24 08:05 PM
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So what would you say are some of your best tips or "aha" moments with pulling those girls that are 8's and 9's?
/r/seduction30/04/24 08:03 PM
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username checks out
/r/seduction30/04/24 08:02 PM
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The only way to develop that confidence is to just do it. The confidence comes after throwing it out there and seeing it work
/r/seduction21/04/24 10:36 PM
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this. OP You’re focused too much on the end rather than how well you did up to that point
/r/seduction19/04/24 09:41 PM
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I’m very skeptical you can get girls if you’re asking for a wingwoman service. You’d have wing women already
/r/seduction10/04/24 03:49 AM
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Agreed ya, cold approach can be a massive time waster vs online
/r/seduction06/04/24 02:01 AM
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I actually think it’s the opposite and competition is pretty bad overall. Most guys don’t even try. Look at the people dismissing IG in this thread alone when it’s literally a goldmine for dating purposes Most will do nothing with this info while a select few prosper I actually like that so many guys view dating as hard because it makes way for those that will put in the effort
/r/seduction06/04/24 01:57 AM
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Having done both for long periods of time, the internet money boat is the one worth pursuing over girls tbh lol
/r/seduction05/04/24 06:25 PM
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Spot on
/r/seduction05/04/24 01:11 AM
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Another Rob post that confirms he’s purely regurgitating theory and has little experience.
/r/seduction05/04/24 01:09 AM
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this is the way. Need to find a girl who has the same desire and let her wing Otherwise it’s down to status or luck. 2 luck examples: 1) One girl i know was drunk with her roommate one night while at a party and they thought it’d be fun to double team a guy. They picked a dude out and he scored. lol…literally all there was to it 2) Another girl i know was partying for spring break with some friends and they thought it sounded crazy/fun to have a foursome, so once again they picked some dude and …
/r/seduction02/04/24 05:47 PM
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Once one has seen the other side, there’s no going back. this is very real
/r/seduction29/03/24 04:25 AM
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a woman with no tattoos The hardest part in 2024 lol
/r/seduction29/03/24 04:24 AM
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after 100 - 150 bodies Potentially unpopular opinion here, but honestly even after 10 bodies it's pretty much the same thing over and over again. When I look back, I think you learn 80-90% of the game within the first 10 if you're paying attention
/r/seduction29/03/24 04:23 AM
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Tbh moms and grandmas that keep it real (ie: not the Disney fantasy romance advice) give some of the best dating advice and are often more realistic than a lot of delusional guys
/r/seduction27/03/24 03:16 PM
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Tell me you’re a black piller who never actually takes any action
/r/seduction26/03/24 07:09 PM
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Many feel it’s frowned upon to “bother” women in public while clearly available women are on dating apps. this
/r/seduction26/03/24 05:13 AM
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Get involved in some hobbies / try anything that sounds interesting, go to local events with some friends etc. Social circle is the best way to find something long term imo, and this is coming from someone who basically has dating apps down to a science and has for awhile now. You'll find guys looking for LTRs but they mostly favor short term
/r/seduction26/03/24 05:07 AM
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Yeah Tinder sucks for me. It hasn't been good since 2019 imo. Bumble and Hinge are good for me though
/r/seduction25/03/24 06:06 PM
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Having the ability to approach if you see something you like is important, but i find dating apps more efficient. Can quickly cycle through high volume of single (or some of them are..lol) women with minimal time/money investment and identify the ones that interest you In person you can easily go to a few bars and not find any women your type and waste a bunch of time
/r/seduction25/03/24 05:32 PM
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GDPR reset? Full month? More detail on this would be good, and does it apply to Hinge too?
/r/seduction25/03/24 05:22 PM
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Yup I've noticed the same. The hottest women are so used to being flooded with attention and seduction attempts that you standout when you don't join the crowd throwing themselves at her. It's naturally intriguing The tricky part is when it's time to strike and escalate because being aloof forever won't seal the deal either. Its a careful balance that takes practice, and by definition it's hard to practice because theres so few of those women walking around willing to date. It's tough to get eno…
/r/seduction24/03/24 07:08 AM
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