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Hey, constant means constant. But even on that standard, I'm not really convinced. Again, I don't feel the desire to eat or have sex like an unending background noise that returns shortly after fulfilling the need like the OP seems to suggest. Sometimes I get hungry. Sometimes I want to have sex. That doesn't strike me as 'constantly' wanting sex. But yeah, I'm not going to tell you the studies are wrong and that men and women have the same sex drives.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/15 01:04 PM
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The desire to eat is constant by ... ended of satiated. This is a pretty odd definition of 'constant', but semantics aside, that's a very different explanation for food than you'd have to give for sex. You don't need sex to 'serve internal functions', you won't die if you don't have sex. You don't seem in a good position to claim that a man's desire for sex can never be satiated - there are other men with different sex drives to you. Remember celibate monks have been around for thousands of year…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/15 01:00 PM
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Not sure what you mean here since everyone has a constant desire to have sex. By that token everyone would be addicted to food since we all have a constant desire to eat food. I would reconsider what you classify as addiction. What? No healthy individual has a constant desire to eat. What a bizarre claim to make. You're telling me that every minute of every waking hour you want to eat? After a big meal, you want to eat? You're saying that if you were at a relative's funeral you'd be thinking abo…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/15 11:21 PM
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If Kanin isn't even bothering to address the main critique of current false reporting rates then why is he doing the research at all? There's plenty of existing research on what the police say is the rate of false reporting. Kanin's useless method section, which I can only assume you don't realise is awful because you've never read a good sociology study in your life, does not respond to my point. At this point, basically, just fuck off. Aaaaaaaaaaallrighty then Mr. Logic-and-Reason
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/15 09:22 AM
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Then I might as well say the women are pressured by society to say they were raped when they didn't. Except, you know, there's no evidence of that happening (or really any reason for it to happen), as opposed to the reverse claim which is backed up by research. Sooner or later, if you want to do research, you have to assume someone is not lying all the time. Otherwise why even bother? I don't really by this reductio ad absurdum thing that you're going for. Nobody is arguing that everyone is lyin…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/15 06:12 PM
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How many grains of sand do you need to have a pile? I don't know - I think that any reasonable person (or empirical research) would agree that robbing a bank is not a normal part of trauma. I think the problem only really occurs when you accuse someone of not responding enough to being raped. On the other hand it's clear when someone is taking the mick.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/15 10:02 PM
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Yes, that is absolutely what I meant and that is definitely not an unfair interpretation of my initial post.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/15 06:09 PM
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I can't believe this conversation is still going How the fuck does a policeman "dismiss rape report as false without real evidence" if the accuser herself is saying it didn't take place? I'm glad you live in a wonderfully clear world where people always say what they mean and can never be pressured into doing otherwise, but over here in reality, that happens all the time. I haven't even implied that I think Kanin made it up. He fails to even reasonably attempt to address the central problem that…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/15 06:07 PM
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There's no need to assume complete malice if incompetence will get you half the way there. The police don't need to have explicitly lied if they simply pressured people into admitting that their rape cases were false, or assumed by their lack of cooperation that that was an admission of falsehood. Kanin explicitly states that the main issue of contention for false rape accusations is the argument that detectives frequently dismiss rape reports as false without real evidence for doing so. His stu…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/15 01:18 PM
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This is an article that breaks them down, written by a different researcher working on rape. To summarise, the principle issue was that Kanin made no attempt to verify police statistics - he simply took their word at face value. He didn't interview suspects or police involved, he doesn't report his research methodology and he didn't have anyone independently verify his case decisions to guard against personal bias. Given that one of the accusations frequently made towards police reporting is tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/15 12:27 PM
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This is all ridiculous generalisation. It is entirely possible to be raped and subsequently not blame yourself or suffer major emotional fallout. Definitely not easy, but not impossible. "Realistically" is a synonym for "appropriately" here. Again, you're just telling me how you think rape victims should respond and trying to judge the truth or falsehood of someone's rape claim based on how closely they match up to that.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/15 12:22 PM
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If you read the study I linked you will see the ~10% rate relates to that of police rape reports, not of rapes occurring, though I think the idea there's no way to get a handle on how many rapes go unreported is a pretty wrong outlook to take.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/15 12:14 PM
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I'm not talking about the specific case. People make assumptions all the time about how people "should" have reacted to being raped, and the empirical evidence shows they're frequently wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/15 11:45 AM
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There's a study by Eugene Kanin that always gets brought up in these debates - he conducted a pretty poor piece of research with gaping methodological flaws and came up with a very high rate of false rape accusations. It's a terrible work and people shouldn't be using it to provide evidence. Just wanted to head that one off before it gets brought up. Competently carried out work consistently comes up with a rate of around 10% of rape accusations being either provably false or admitted false by t…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/15 11:16 PM
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Some people are in shock, remember. Some people deal with it better than others. I'm not sure it's up to you to decide whether someone has reacted appropriately to being raped. Their reaction shouldn't form part of the evidence either way.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/15 11:11 PM
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Nobody here is claiming that 'judgement' consists of being unwilling to commit, and you're frankly deluded if you think that's the extent of society's distaste for women who have casual sex. If you don't feel comfortable in a relationship with someone who has more sexual experience than you are comfortable with then that's your call to make. It's quite another thing to imply some kind of moral worthiness (or lack thereof) based on the number of partners a person has had.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/15 01:12 AM
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Hasn't happened to me yet, and I hardly have the most progressive friendship group.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/15 01:05 AM
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How is that not rape?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/15 02:30 AM
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Compared to the invention of agriculture? Cities?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/14 02:50 PM
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That's not to say that we're not biased one way or the other though, nor does it necessarily support the hypothesis that feminism or some other force has lead to such conditions.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/14 02:44 PM
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In a study I've found, male chimps pulled 375-487lbs, and females pulled 227-300. That would make the females something like 60% as strong. I'll keep looking for other apes but there doesn't seem to be a great deal of research easily available.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/14 02:42 PM
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It's self-contradictory to say that genes interact with environment, and that we are not a tournament-species as if that's a determinant. I'd argue it's not contradictory because opportunistic sexual infidelity is not a behaviour commonly exhibited by tournament species, because it's a meaningless concept when there are no long-lasting sexual relationships to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/14 02:15 PM
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An NCSA study found that on average, women have 40-60% of the upper and 70-75% of the lower body strength of men, with relative and absolute strengths being much closer for trained weightlifters. That's not a significant difference compared to gorillas, orangutans or other strongly tournament apes.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/14 02:11 PM
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Can you state which particular claims you would like sources for?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/14 09:52 AM
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Yes, which is why we're so quick to point out that the sexual revolution is responsible for much of what we're observing. Fair enough. We're actually moderately sexually dimorphic and fall somewhere in the middle on dimorphism compared to other mammals in general or primates specifically. We're not gibbons, sure, but most primates difference in weight between male and female is 50-55%, whereas we are only 15%. That seems to put us more on one side of the scale than the other. Primates have a siz…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/14 09:52 AM
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There is some small amount of non-coding (aka "junk DNA") that does affect how often genes are used, but the vast majority of that 98% is actually useless junk....(less than 1%) of that 98% is used for regulating gene expression. The fact that large regions of 'junk' DNA have been heavily conserved, often over millions of years, suggests that we just don't know what the function is yet. And estimates as to how much of our DNA will be discovered to be functional seems to range in orders of magnit…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/14 09:30 AM
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That...doesn't make a great deal of sense. It's not how that works - the tournament part of tournament species requires a particular interaction between the two genders.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/14 09:12 AM
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I'd agree with you there. Encouraging someone to stick their head in the sand does nobody any good.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/14 11:54 AM
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We agree, but probably not for the same reasons. People are bad at solving problems when they're wallowing in their unhappiness. A bit of empathy and emotional support puts them in a better place to solve the problem themselves. Someone who doesn't feel generally bad is probably in a better place to deal with the issue at hand. I've talked over problems with other people who have made no input but listening, and it's helped me solve the problem. The act of talking something through is inherently…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/14 01:56 AM
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It depends on your position in ethics. If you're a utilitarian then it absolutely might be the right thing to do, depending on the consequences of your actions. Peter Singer commonly gives the 'drowning child' example - that you're walking past a shallow pond, wearing a suit, and notice a young child drowning in the pond, with no responsible adult nearby. It's absolutely not in your interest to ruin your suit and save the child, but walking on seems pretty much the morally wrong thing to do. Sim…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/14 01:48 AM
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You just quoted me stating the opinion that it won't, within reasonable bounds.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/14 05:18 PM
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TRP and TBP really agree on this topic. The "don't be nice just to sleep with her" line is aimed at guys who will bend over backwards to do things for a girl because of some hope that all those little nice things will eventually stack up to a relationship or that she'll sleep with them or something, because it won't. It's about not pedestalising people. A lot of girls don't find underconfident, passive guys with no appearence of agency attractive. That 'confidence' scale is entirely orthogonal t…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/14 10:55 AM
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I have to disagree. Men are absolutely allowed to show some emotions without losing any social standing (your social group is also pretty key here). Similarly, there are emotions men can show that are societally considered unfeminine. Yeah, men feel a pressure not to show emotional vulnerability, but there are plenty of other emotions.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/14 10:32 AM
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You make a good point: in order to give advice successfully, you have to know what advice to give, but you also have to make the other person willing to hear it. Too much empathy, not enough analysis? Good for making them feel better (which in itself is a worthy enough goal) but not much else. Too much analysis, not enough empathy? Doesn't matter how good your advice is if they're offended or upset by your tone or presentation.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/14 10:25 AM
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Both red and blue pill communities have a tendency to not take dissenting opinion well. I think that this is more of a problem for TRP, which puts forward some positive doctrines and beliefs, rather than being a sort of meta comedy sub. To be honest, purplepilldebate is probably the only comfortable habitat for people between the two communities, and even then, it's going to be uncomfortable in no-man's-land.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/14 10:12 AM
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Really, I think feminism can provide a cultural explanation for this. Men are used to being assertive and asking for what they want - that's not seen as a very "feminine" way to act. Traditional gender roles assign men with the job of being the one who acts in a relationship. If they have a problem, culture by and large tells them that it's up to the man to fix it. Just because some or even most women subconsciously buy into that (because it's what they see/experience all their lives) doesn't me…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/14 12:51 PM
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National Socialism is socialism in more or less name-only. It's difficult to see how they draw from or continue any ideas presented by Marx, Engels and his predecessors. They didn't support mass ownership of the means of production - how much more central to socialism can it get? Their social darwinism and militarism doctrines also bear almost no resemblance to Marxian Socialism. It is the position of many scholars of the subject that the name National Socialism was intentionally meant to draw c…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/14 06:09 PM
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If they mangle Nietzche as badly as most people do then that sounds utterly horrendous, as does the idea of anyone taking Rand's ideas seriously for longer than it takes to pick apart the holes in it
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/14 09:19 PM
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morality is ultimately subjective. People have been arguing about that for hundreds of years, and if I'm not mistaken the debate is still quite open on moral subjectivism or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/14 09:42 AM
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I agree, it's not common, but I've seen drunk people try to do all kinds of things. Balconies or stairs rather than buildings, but the "hold my beer" attitude is a thing for good reason. No matter how drunk my grandmother gets, she will never murder anyone. Why not? It's because alcohol lowers inhibitions, it does not remove agency. That is an interesting point, but I'm not sure it's sufficient. Things that part of me want to do but are prevented by social inhibition are things I do not want to …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/14 09:47 PM
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Alright, fair enough. Part of the point I was trying to make was that the "twisted, irrational, hyperbolic" is the important part of the phrase "twisted, irrational, hyperbolic blue pillers". Passed out is clearly one stage of being drunk, but I think it's a) pretty blatantly rape to knowingly have sex with someone at this point, if sober and b) isn't really in the remit of the question. I'm of the general opinion that failure to act is as much of a moral choice as doing something proactively. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/14 04:09 PM
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Agreed - not to intentionally 'no true scotsman', but I think most reasonable feminists would consider that as much a symptom of the disease they are trying to fight as any other topic they normally campaign on. The fact is that there isn't a lot of difference when a drunk guy sleeps with a sober girl than vice versa apart from how society as a whole sees it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/14 03:57 PM
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You're using analogies which imply victimhood though. What I'm saying is I don't see it as a victim thing at all. If you're drunk and you communicate that you're up for having sex with someone and regret it the next morning, you still consented so that was not rape. No one in that situation is a victim so I don't think it's at all akin to being mugged or killed. A fair point. I don't share this view. The way I see it, you choose to get drunk and you know the consequences. If someone, in their dr…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/14 06:53 AM
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Modern ethics tends to view inaction as a choice nonetheless - this would suggest that you are not free of responsibility as a sober person in this situation. However, I also have some difficulty calling it rape. Clearly, someone is taking advantage of another's drunkenness, but is it the same as actively pursuing someone too drunk to judge for themselves? I'm not sure it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/14 10:43 PM
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Your response seems to boil down to "well, I can't give my answer because some people don't understand english and therefore wouldn't understand my answer" and also "also, some people are stupid and therefore I cannot answer this question because they wouldn't understand"
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/14 10:39 PM
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I think an interesting question to the "drunk sex is rape" crowd is this: if a drunk guy fucks a drunk girl, is that rape? Did they rape each other or what? I think that it would be pretty ridiculous to argue that they had. It seems much more plausible to say that the problem with sex when one person is significantly more drunk than the other is that one person might well be taking advantage of the other's inability to properly give consent. If they are similarly drunk then there's not really an…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/14 10:36 PM
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You think SJWs don't want attention for their cause? That seems flagrantly incorrect.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/14 01:41 PM
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Do you think the majority of people are crackheads and losers? Because otherwise, they would form only part of the collective administration, hence "collective".
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/14 11:24 PM
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We live as communities, that's the simple truth. I'd rather everybody administered those communities collectively than the wealthiest, strongest, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/14 10:40 PM
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Hence democracy, the rule of law, and entrenched constitutions.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/14 10:28 PM
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True, not necessarily, but what it would make it is a poor basis to draw gender-wide conclusions from.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/14 10:26 PM
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I think this really ties in to our other conversation that I've just replied to - betas existed before marriage did. It's a relatively recent invention in the history of human kind. It seems, again, that our views diverge when we talk about the effects of the changes that have occurred in recent times and what their effects have been, which is, I guess, a main sticking point in the RP/BP debate.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/14 05:04 PM
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And vice versa to you! I suppose there are a few points - firstly, the idea of a person without cultural or social influences. It seems to me, at least, that such a person does not really exist, and that a human without a society or culture is not really a human at all. We're social animals, and culture is just an extension of that. Our behaviour, I think we can both agree, is controlled by a complex interaction of biology and culture, as much as the two can be separated. Perhaps where our persp…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/14 05:01 PM
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Well argued - I am willing, I think, to consider my feelings a little more unsure on the matter of who is better placed to say what attracts women. I'll definitely be thinking about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/14 04:51 PM
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'As history has proven?' - don't make me laugh. Unless when you say 'combination of alphas' you actually mean 'the government', because that's what it's starting to sound like. Alphas don't get to rewrite the laws of economics. No individual, regardless of his alphacity, has any individual motivation to invest in the public good. It's game theory 101.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/14 04:48 PM
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I highly disagree with that statement, but I can understand the rationale.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/14 04:46 PM
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While I see your point - that I'm asking the question from a position in which the question itself is moot - I think there's a better answer: that the alpha/beta dichotomy, as far as it exists in nature, really represents two different mating strategies. Betas are clearly not reproductively unsuccessful - they simply invest more time and energy into a smaller number of partners/children. The alpha, on the other hand, invests little time or energy into his relationships or progeny, but makes up f…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/14 04:43 PM
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That is rather the point I was trying to make.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/14 04:37 PM
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Yeah, I can see that. Fair enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/14 04:37 PM
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I'm fairly sure rom-coms have only existed for at most the last 50 years, what about the previous few million?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/14 04:33 PM
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I would rather have an entity with a legitimate monopoly on force, limited by due process, the electorate and some form of entrenched constitution than an actual gang of thugs. This kind of comparison is really meaningless. In a stateless world, states will appear. They are simply the natural order of things. Yeah, so you can't build whatever-the-fuck-you-feel-like on your property. If you could, the result would be more or less madness. I'm not saying all building regulations are fair but there…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/14 04:32 PM
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...to reach the light? I'm not seeing your point.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/14 11:28 PM
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Once again, this is a classic co-ordination problem. Why would I do it if I knew other people would anyway?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/14 11:28 PM
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Well, fair enough. But it's the sentiment I see. Everything is biology, or so it seems, to TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/14 11:16 PM
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Thanks Freud! I personally think the reason I'm confused was because these seem like perfectly legitimate reasons to have negative feelings towards the (tm) variety of niceguy once they reveal themselves, which didn't seem to be a position you were taking. But as you say, this isn't really a place where descriptive, phenomenon-based conversations happen often, which is perhaps a pity.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/14 11:15 PM
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I appreciate what you're saying, and it seems well and good on the surface, but the lack of statistical method seriously scuppers any attempt to draw factually accurate conclusions. While the occasional study gets thrown around on TRP, it does in fact seem, from the outside world, to be not in fact based on the scientific method or ideas of empiricism at all; rather, it looks more like a roiling mass of anecdote with a hint of vague conjecture based on evo-psych thrown in for appearance's sake. …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/14 11:11 PM
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The thing is, if that's so evidently the case, why isn't every male in the world an alpha? Clearly, they're not. Thus, you have some more explaining to do. Red Pill argues that this has always been the case since the dawn of time. Why, then, do betas even exist?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/14 10:58 PM
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I'm not really sure. Yeah, it looks like I did. Given that men were exactly the same though, it seems like what I'm trying to say is that 'nobody really knows what they want'. To briefly explain the study: The research I'm describing is also interesting in that it showed any statistically significant sex differences in the three areas they looked at (physical attractiveness, job prospects and personableness) disappeared when people were brought face to face with potential partners. The bit I was…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/14 10:56 PM
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So person A and person B would band together and the two of them, together, would lay down miles of tarmac out of their own pockets to better facilitate transport?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/14 10:54 PM
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I would disagree with the assertion that this is a 'facet' of red pill doctrine. It seems, in fact, pretty central.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/14 10:49 PM
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Big enough for cars? I'm gonna go with no.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/14 10:24 PM
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Hmm. I'm not accusing you of lying - if you say that's true then I believe you - but I wonder what a controlled study, were one possible, would conclude. Could you characterise the kind of behaviour you mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/14 10:11 PM
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Nobody on RP wants advice from women about how to attract women. This is because they have no experience being a man and trying to attract a woman. This seems to ignore the fact that women, by virtue of being women, probably know women fairly well. There's no real reason to suppose that women know other women any better than men know other men. And you, at least, certainly claim to understand how women think. It also ignores actual data which tends to show that neither men or women really appear…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/14 10:08 PM
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That doesn't really make it right though, does it?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/14 09:44 PM
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You're not really right about that. Blue pillers are anyone who believe that we aren't purely governed by Red Pill behaviour.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/14 09:37 PM
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Can I ask how you know you don't simply pick up the women that respond well to being treated like they're stupid?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/14 09:34 PM
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Really? Welp, I thought I knew the definition of democracy but clearly not.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/14 05:28 PM
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That is both theoretically and empirically not the case. Coordination problems lead to an outcome which is inferior, and coordination problems are very hard to solve without external authority. I'm just going to link you to Why I Hate Your Freedom - I think a fair reading of that website might lead to your views being challenged.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/14 12:44 PM
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It seems like that's just asking for abusive monopolies to spring up, who can essentially hold you to ransom so you can't go anywhere without paying their prices. You can't really compete with the guy who owns the roads. There's only so many places they can be built. In any case, you'd actually prefer thousands of different toll companies to a centrally maintained, tax-payer funded road network?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/14 11:53 PM
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You don't need roads? Wow. That's pretty impressive. Do you just not move at all? Or have you developed some form of flight powered by your own libertarianism?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/14 11:41 PM
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I'm not claiming that any such culture exists/existed, and besides, I don't have an encyclopedic enough knowledge of anthropology to give any specific example - but there has never been a society like ours in terms of economics, family, broader social hierarchy, etc. I just wanted to rebut your claim that across thousands of distinct groups of people, conception of gender has been so constant. There are multiple cultures with a conception more than two genders, there are cultures (the Azande) in…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/14 05:11 PM
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Are they? I'm not so convinced. An ethnographic survey of world cultures would reveal a range of attitudes towards gender across time and location, depending on the circumstances that shaped that culture.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/14 12:35 PM
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To automatically assume that gender roles are a product of biology and not just the society we live in is far more foolish. As for that second paragraph, I really don't get it. You may not have chosen to find 'technical abilities to be virtuous' and or 'care little for social contact' are not uniquely male traits. It's fair more likely that these things were mediated by gene-environment interactions, in any case - while genetics might have played a role, there is no such thing as a gene in vacuu…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/14 06:24 PM
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That might well be the case, but while we're in the realm of the normative, I think I'm quite safe to criticise /u/pillburt's poor argument. That being said, tossing around words like 'evolution' isn't just going to make me roll over and give up. Evolution is not teleological. There is no end goal, no gradual progress towards perfection. Sometimes evolution pushes one way, sometimes it pushes the other. If you compare sexual dimorphism in humans, it becomes quite clear that we aren't in the camp…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/14 05:14 PM
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This is a ridiculous argument from analogy. Either you have to accept that people can have personality independent of the terms 'male' and 'female' or you're just advocating that music should actually have two tones instead of just one.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/14 04:00 PM
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That sounds pretty tautological to me
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/14 05:53 PM
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I'll show you what I could find in terms of studies: TL;DR - untested, poor and inconsistent research methodology means that it's almost impossible to say what proportion of rape allegations are false, though prosecutors and police routinely (incorrectly) over-assume rape allegations to be false based on their own criteria. A Crown Prosecution Service report in 2011-12: Found that over a 17-month period there were 35 cases in which the service believed there was enough evidence to prosecute for …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/14 06:08 AM
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The point is that they failed, because you took precautions. That's why your version sounds so Kantian - because it's the intention to harm that matters more than the actual result.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/13 11:18 AM
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For someone mentioning Kant and therefore possessing at least a cursory knowledge of ethics, I'd have thought you understood how meaningless that last statement is. I'd be interested to hear your apparently complex moral framework that justifies the punishment of those who try (and fail) to harm you whole scales of magnitude more than the harm they intended upon you. Most hilariously of all, it makes you sound distinctly intentionalist and therefore a lot closer to Kant than you'd like to admit.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/13 12:49 AM
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I'm just putting a comment here to remind me to reply - will do tomorrow, it's getting rather late here. It's been interesting talking anyway, thanks!
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/13 03:26 AM
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To address 2 first: I apologise first of all if it came across that I was suggesting you personally or in fact TRP in general advocated domestic violence. This is clearly not the case and I do not claim to hold those beliefs. I have edited the previous comment to direct anyone else who sees it here for clarification. The point I was trying to make was that you are still defending a community of which a significant minority advocate domestic violence as a form of discipline. Sites that are regula…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/13 02:10 AM
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I think their advice is by and large sensible in a situation in which someone's father has done something which they should be genuinely ashamed of - I'm not sure OP's father has in this case. I'm obviously not OP, but it seems like his dad's greatest crime is simply 'being a beta' and failing to fulfil his new ideas about what the duties of a father are and what a 'man' is, things he openly admits he can only see in hindsight. There is diversity, true - I accept that the majority in that thread…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/13 01:25 AM
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Merry Christmas!
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/13 11:50 PM
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I'm not sure that that's what Blue Pill would advocate. I think it's sensible to not advocate engagement when your partner clearly is in no mood to be engaged with productively, but equally, refusing to consider why your partner is behaving how they are and, alongside that, how justified they are, seems like no reasonable solution. Just walking away and waiting for her to come crawling back isn't a great deal less childish.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/13 11:48 PM
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I think this delineates two major strains of views in TRP - the 'conservative' and 'libertarian' views. I'm not saying they're mutually exclusive, but the two extremes would deal with this in different ways. The conservative in the red pill stresses the importance of family, and I think it typifies the response shown here. It is the side of the red pill that bemoans the loss of the 'old days' and the rise of progressivism, and seeks for the return of gender roles and 'the traditional family'. It…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/13 11:32 PM
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I think it would be mistaken to claim TRP is specifically for white men.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/13 08:22 PM
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Honestly, I think this is somewhat confused. The sentiment expressed by endorsed contributors tends to be "don't resent women for being women, because we all agree that women are inherently inferior". They've just taken the anger and bitterness and made it a keystone of their thinking about women. While the visceral emotion may have gone, the contempt remains. It's no more mature than a group of racists saying "don't resent black people, just accept that they're inherently inferior to whites".
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/13 08:21 PM
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Well, now you put it that way...maybe I could get used to this benevolent dictator thing
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/13 12:25 AM
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I MAY DIE BUT THE DINOREPUBLIC WILL LIVE ON
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/13 03:28 PM
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I'm an anti-monarchist, I refuse to recognise your position
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/13 02:34 PM
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To explain, with RES installed, pressing z on a given post will downvote it regardless of whether the subreddit give it as an option or not. I personally think it's a bit dumb.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/13 03:55 AM
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You're absolutely right, in my view. These are all important components as to the extent of psychological pressure placed on 'Amanda' and therefore should be considered when determining the appropriate response.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/13 03:49 AM
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I appologise, but I fear my title may now be stuck
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/13 03:41 AM
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Agreed, the picture is a little more complex than CODYsaurus seems to want to portray.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/13 09:19 PM
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I think that we often underestimate the social pressures that people feel under, especially at that age. Someone attempting to verbally coerce you into a sexual act can be incredibly uncomfortable. I'm not sure it should be equated to rape. I'm not sure it should even be punishable. But my god is it a shitty thing to do. I know that Amanda was physically able to get up and leave at any point, but that doesn't mean that we should underestimate social pressure as a weapon. The same weapon is used …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/13 08:17 PM
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While I also to a great extent hold that position on morality, I didn't know that you didn't - thanks for clearing that up. In that case then, the question moves from normative to empirical. What goals do you think such the 'traditional gender roles' system would achieve that a more non-traditional system would? And do you accept that nobody is under any obligation to accept that these goals are any better than any others? Sorry to hear you've been unwell, I wish you a speedy recovery.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/13 03:33 PM
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On the contrary, I think soulcakeduck's contributions are generally well written and sourced, and I don't think they should feel under any obligation to go anywhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/13 01:45 AM
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How do we know we aren't, as a society, pushing women out of their homes to do the same sorts of things for strangers for low wages that the would otherwise be doing to take care of their families? What is the tradeoff between the needs of children, and the ambitions of women? Do women ever have a moral obligation to place their childrens' need for parental care and attention above their own desire for career success? What is the aggregate economic effect of greatly increasing the size of the wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/13 01:05 AM
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I think you are right there. The whole 'purple pill' thing suggests two opposing ideas, which is really not the case. A "debate an x" format would probably make more sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/13 04:39 PM
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I think where TRP and TBP disagree is why women tend to make that choice. Sure, there are strawmen on either side of the TRP/Feminism fence who will claim that women should want to work/stay at home, but I think that's probably not a reflection of the average member of either camp. Consider - how can we ever know that we aren't still, as a society, pushing women towards being stay-at-homes? At what point could we step back and say "on average, women are no more encouraged to be housemakers than …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/13 04:30 PM
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While what you're saying is absolutely true, I think that even the assertion that the Red Pill is wrong as opposed to unprovable/unproven is one that does not apply to all Blue Pillers.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/13 04:13 PM
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I'm afraid I disagree with the premise of this post. It may appear 'cowardly' to not hold a position on some kind of all-encompassing theory of female sexuality, but the truth is that as the group making empirical claims, it is up to the Red Pill to defend those claims. This has come up before and I'll say it again - TBP does not, nor has it ever, claimed to have alternate answers to the ones that TRP offers. I very much doubt the Blue Pill even agrees on many of these issues. While the Red Pill…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/13 03:57 PM
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I accept that may be hyperbole on my part. Please accept my retraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/13 02:45 PM
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Most men. Yes. I think generally when asked what they want people are dishonest. They state what they've been told they are 'supposed' to want, rather than there true feelings. Right, so you think that people will tend to lie rather than say how they actually feel despite knowing how they actually feel? Well, I have 20,000+ sample of men, 98%+ who will say the same. I think many would debate whether /r/trp's subscribers count as a statistically balanced sample of the male population. 98% of Marx…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/13 10:23 PM
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war and conquest arent murder. murder is the ILLICIT killing of others. war is LICIT. in war a soldier is acting as an agent of the sovereign and is imbued with the sovereigns monopoly on th elegal use of violence. there has never been a colonization or conquest that was based on "racism" but on the desire to gain access to more resources or spread an religion or ideology. that one ethnic group happens to conquer an ethnic group doesnt make it "racist violence", it makes it war and conquest Yeaa…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/13 09:00 PM
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Would you say the same about women asking men about what's attractive to men? Or are women just inherently ignorant of their own inner workings? The experience of a overwhelming majority of men is that women give us poor advice regarding women Is it? Are you qualified to speak on our behalf? Do you have some (any) evidence for that statement beyond personal experience/anecdote/a general feeling? Your initial analogy also seems somewhat off. You're comparing the intelligence level differential be…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/13 08:51 PM
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It has to be said that the members of the Red Pill and the Blue Pill frequently make normative judgements about society and each other. We would be silly, I think, to claim that neither side does so. There is an extent to which the Red Pill claims to be morally grey, and acting only on facts about the world, but also an extent to which it makes quite clear judgements about the state of society in general - that it has, in some sense, morally declined. There is a two-prong Blue Pill response. Fir…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/13 08:29 PM
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You know, it might well be the alcohol talking but I really feel what you just said, and I think you make good points. Although I have to ask if you meant aisle or isle. I guess either works. I think you're very much correct in saying that TRP is a reaction. To what, I am less sure. I suspect the answer would depend on your ideology of choice. I personally would probably actually side with TRP and say that it's likely a product of feminism's effect on the western world, but I would characterise …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/13 03:46 AM
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This is an exceptionally tricky question, but as /u/angatar_ says, the fact is that pregnancy will always place an unequal burden on the woman. In case 1, we're essentially talking about weighing up the man's right to bring up his child compared to the woman's right to autonomy over her own body and protection from the various financial, medical and emotional strains that pregnancy (wanted or unwanted) places upon a person. In case 2, we're talking about the woman's freedom from the medical and/…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/13 08:33 PM
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I think it's an interesting one, it sheds a lot of light on the issue but from a different angle. It might well be worth a post in it's own right some time.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/13 07:03 AM
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And I you! While I can't reply to your other (interesting) points right now, it's conversations like this that give me hope for this subreddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/13 11:53 PM
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I meant a different debate to the one I was having with you. In my personal view, the rubric 'no taxation without representation' is a perfectly adequate one. I don't think we should be required to 'serve', whatever that means, beyond the point which society deems required, as decided through democratic means. You might find the present philosophical justification to be unsatisfying - in truth, the justification is because the flaws in most other systems are simply too large. I'm unsure as to wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/13 07:35 PM
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I agree with your points - I think they are good bases for discussion. I personally thought that your voting submission was well put together and balanced - clearly Sudo disagrees, but you can't please everyone I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/13 07:26 PM
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Well, I haven't dug through comment history extensively, but if I remember correctly, I've seen many TBP'ers on SRS, who had a logo for, I think a month, which read "Misandry Don't Real." That sounds like satire to me, though I obviously can't say for sure. Okay. Maybe. I generally don't see that in TRP, but then, I've never claimed to be a "hard" redpill. I'm quite casual, so that thread may be present. Could you make it visible to me? I have to admit, I've been caught somewhat offguard when ex…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/13 07:22 PM
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only those who demonstrate their commitment to supporting society's vested interests and perpetuation through some form of service, should determine the course of governance. You can throw around whatever normative statements you like about what should happen, I'm just telling you what the philosophical justification was at the time. What should happen is an entirely different debate. Those are not sacrficies, they are exchanges. Taxes purchase goods and service on the people's behalf. They are …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/13 06:55 PM
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It is representative because clearly not all the members of the Red Pill feel exactly the same way about women's suffrage. Do you deny that the position of the red pill is in general against women's suffrage?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/13 06:52 PM
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Hello, BP'r here. Misandry isn't a myth - that's ridiculous. Can you find one woman who dislikes men? Well, we just proved that misandry is real. I think institutionalised misandry is probably much less common, but I'm not gonna say it doesn't exist. Firstly, it's quite clear that the Red Pill's position (whatever yours is) is that being a promiscuous woman is bad. The 'used car' analogy is common here. TRP does not say 'I personally would not consider a "slut" good marriage material'. It says '…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/13 06:41 PM
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Some would argue, with some degree of weight that universal male suffrage was only earned through blood. The notion that if a man could be compelled to fight, at the risk of literally everything he has, his life its self, possibly on pain of death or imprisonment for his country, that he probably ought to have some say in the direction the coutnry takes next. I don't think that's a very compelling argument. While it might be a historically accurate description of what happened in some places, th…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/13 06:25 PM
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You're being ridiculous. This is a place for actual debate - there are plenty of places you can go if you want to have a paddy because someone presented a representative sample of evidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/13 06:19 PM
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The reason why I made the post is because accusations have been made that neither side really understands the Red Pill philosophy and I wanted to discuss whether it's true and why. Of course there's going to be differences in opinion, that much is obvious, but I think there's still a conversation to be had on the topic.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/13 05:49 PM
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He seems to be saying something quite different in his comments here, I have to admit. But anyway, PRAISE THE LORD, TRP HAS A POPE
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/13 03:52 PM
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In that case, why not extend it to anything redpillschool or the mods say?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/13 02:13 PM
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That's always a problem when you're having a debate with someone about an ill-defined concept. I guess a fair response is to say that all of TRP philosophy is based on something people on TRP say and that until a pope is elected to make decisions on dogma, you'll just have to settle for something vague like "anything that I can find multiple and relatively frequent reference to on TRP is part of it's philosophy".
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/13 01:51 PM
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I agree that there was a miscommunication, though I'm not convinced it wasn't intentional. But I don't think either of us would agree that don't know ourselves what we're representing and I think you should strike that. I'll edit it to better explain what I mean. I already presented the core concept of the red pill in the other post. It's simply: pursue the truth. That seems like a very loaded sentence. It also suggests a scientific bent to the red pill's reasoning, a lot of which actually comes…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/13 01:47 PM
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True. I guess the thrust of my post was a rebuttal against the idea that defining TRP's view is either possible or useful - but you're right, we can certainly talk about specific areas.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/13 01:12 PM
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First, I want to say I'm genuinely sorry about the problems you have, and I have a great deal of empathy. I'm also glad you've found something that's given you a positive direction in life, even if that's the Red Pill. I can't speak for all of the Blue Pill, but I've heard many times from different people that they think the core of the pill idea, mainly those parts you identified in your post that clicked with you, are great. The issue is that as TBP sees it, that's essentially just a part of t…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/13 12:48 PM
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As much as my reply tries to consider the intellectual argument from the viewpoint of a TRP'r, I think, as you suggest, it may be more emotionally motivated.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/13 12:13 PM
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I feel there are two separate questions here, and to entangle them would simply confuse the conversation. I'm playing devil's advocate here, so bear with me. I think TRP easily leads to an anti-women's suffrage position, but potentially also an anti-democracy position also. There is (I feel, at least) much space for debate about the efficacy of democracy and it's successes and drawbacks, though I'm not sure here is the right place. While my personal conclusion is that (in the right form) it's pr…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/13 12:10 PM
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While abuse may come from 'power', that power does not always come from the two sources you've identified (money and attractiveness). Emotional power over someone can be exerted via 'friendship', familiarity, or playing up to the person's self-idealised version of themselves. You don't need to be attractive to emotionally abuse someone because you don't need to be attractive to have power over them.
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