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CMVnytnaltx/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 09:12 PM
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Discussionnytnaltx/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 06:56 AM
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This is probably the best comment I’ve ever seen on this sub. Thank you for such a well worded breakdown.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 04:32 AM
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Look, if she is unattractive, then 95% of women are hideous. I’m a healthy weight and moderately okay looking but she has a gorgeous face and figure.. that’s just a fact
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 01:23 AM
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I’ve seen the news clips and while LP is clearly troubled, she is very physically attractive. Anyone who says otherwise is not being objective.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 09:49 PM
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If you find most women unattractive, you probably are either not straight or have had your brain warped by looking at images of people who are not real/unrealistic body standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 03:24 PM
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The theory of evolution is largely false. Organisms adapt within the boundaries of their genome and that is it. One species does not become another, nor is there any evidence for or logical support for that idea. Evopsych is largely complete BS. It doesn’t surprise me though that Redpillers love it so much. Anyone CAN operate like an animal, and redpillers are people who largely operate in just this fashion. Of course it suits them to adopt a worldview where there is no God or moral standard. If…
/r/ExRedPill07/08/24 09:54 PM
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I didn’t ask you a question. There is not a single question mark in my original comment to you. I disagree with you and find your perspective disgusting. That’s not a question, it’s a statement. My disagreement is in your confidence that you will be successful in your attempts to override women’s moral standards. Try whatever you like, but you will be unsuccessful frequently. That is and has been my point. You continue to misunderstand it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/24 11:45 PM
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Convince myself of what? I already know that I live by my morals and don’t sacrifice them for anyone. It’s not a theory, it’s the way i actually live. I don’t care whether you believe me. You sound gross and are clearly very confident in your ability to bend people’s will.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/24 09:24 PM
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She’s quoting what the other commenter said first. I don’t think she knows how to format quotes. If you read the thread you would know that.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 04:57 AM
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Oh brother. You really are living in delulu land if you think no woman would put her morals above your advances. “It works.” Not on women like me who actually mean something when they say it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 04:54 AM
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I frequently encounter people like you when perusing this sub. They seem to be so assured and so comforted by the conviction that we are all just selfish animals, using one another, and there’s nothing the matter with that. I suspect it’s part of a larger worldview/framework, given the rabid defensiveness of that position and quick handwaving away of anything that questions it. Without fail, people who hold your position insist dogmatically that they just know everyone’s inner thoughts and motiv…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 04:50 AM
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“I’m telling you, almost all women are a 6 and below!” Tell me you don’t understand statistics. Almost all women are between a 1 and a 9. That’s how bell curves work 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 04:00 AM
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If you were well adjusted you would understand my previous comment, since that is what healthy people look for in relationships. They also look for sex, but their objective is to establish a healthy relationship with someone that includes sex, not simply to have sex as quickly and as cheaply as possible. Anyone who word their goals in that way is depraved. Now feel free to answer the question I asked earlier since you are changing the subject and did not answer it. What’s disgusting about a man …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 08:07 PM
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Wholesome, healthy, desirable to well-adjusted people (those who come from or at least understand the dynamics of functional families). Feel free to explain why you think it is disgusting for a man to be of a mindset to protect, provide, and be emotionally available.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 06:51 PM
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There’s literally nothing parallel about what you said and I said. Those are good qualities in a man. The female parallel would be nurturing, maternal, submissive, emotionally supportive - good, attractive qualities in a woman. Not “fuck as quickly and for as close to free as possible.”
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 05:16 PM
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Religious beliefs. I’m a Christian.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 03:58 PM
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Traditional framework is that the woman is stereotypical attractive/well cared for/good personality in the sense that she is a prize for the right person who matches her. Then, said man who wants to be with the woman invests effort and yes, money, to demonstrate his sincerity in wanting to pursue her. He treats her like a gentleman and depending on morals, either no sex before marriage or not for quite a while. And then, after marriage, once they are in a household together, then at that point t…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 12:05 PM
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You are someone who utilizes porn and escorts. You have nothing to do with the Mennonites. Not sure why you’re bringing them up. If you actually read the Bible, you’d know that celibacy for men and women is spoken highly of. As an unmarried person who has not had the opportunity to be married, my life is an example of faithful service and hard work. I would not look to someone such as yourself for approval. Your comments border on delusion, since you as a complete unrepentant sinner engaging in …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 05:34 AM
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Provide a source for your claim.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 05:20 AM
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Sweetie, I’m not taking my cues from a porn addict. You want to start citing some Bible verses for those claims, I’ll be all ears. Haven’t heard you cite a single passage so far. I’ll wait.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 05:13 AM
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This is just… bad. Perusal of your post history shows you to be a porn addict, actually posting about your lack of critical thinking skills and the fact that you never went past 5th grade math. You are out here in left field making up Biblical interpretations that 99% (or more) of actual theologians disagree with, which also contradict the plain text of the Bible. There’s not an honest person alive who thinks Jesus wants you to hire escorts and watch porn. I actually feel sorry for you. I’ve bee…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 05:11 AM
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Sure Jan. so when Jesus said, “Whoever looks at a woman with lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart,” was he referring to a man or a woman committing adultery?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 05:01 AM
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The reference to sexual behavior is a dictate that male humans and female humans remain virgins until marriage. I’m sorry that you can’t deduce that due to the quote not actually stating MALE VIRGINITY. You’re a troll. Explain how you can sleep around without contradicting the verses I listed above. Of course you can’t. And also, as a depraved person, I’m curious why you have any concern about the structure of my church or the quality of my teaching. You are not a Christian in any sense of the t…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 04:51 AM
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And just to really go above and beyond, since you are in denial, I’ll send this home with some passages directly addressed to men: ““You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ But I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart. If your right eye causes you to sin, tear it out and throw it away. For it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body be thrown into hell.” ‭‭Matthe…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 04:36 AM
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You are being intentionally dense. Allow me to break this down since it is SO confusing for you. The Bible blanket bans all extramarital sex in the New Testament, for men and women. Hebrews 13:4 gets this point across very well: “Marriage should be honored by all, and the marriage bed kept pure, for God will judge the adulterer and all the sexually immoral.” If you don’t have sex outside of marriage, then you will be a virgin when you get married. If you choose to have sex outside of marriage, y…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 04:25 AM
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You are profoundly unintelligent, as evidenced by your childlike magical thinking that tells you that you know why I am single when you know nothing about me. There are all sorts of reasons for a person to be single Started dating late due to being brainwashed by teachings about courtship/not dating until you were literally ready to marry. Dated a person but values turned out to be different. Overly optimistic about a relationship, but it turns out the guy is unwilling to compromise on serious i…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 03:40 AM
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Oh I’m sure he has women just lining up for that opportunity 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 03:16 AM
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Red pill men will still not treat a women like this well, in my experience of being such a woman and dating a red pill man, versus the way I was treated by normal (non red pill) men with traditional values.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 03:15 AM
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Not true. I am 31 and all of the things, including a virgin. I dated a 40 year old Redpill man who initially lied to me that he was 34. He knew I was unusual and rare and still refused to treat me well. In fact, I have never been so disrespected in a relationship. He took me out on one single dinner date the entire time we dated (which I ended up paying my share of). Once we went to his house, every date just became some low effort Netflix and chill type situation, presumably because he wanted t…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 03:12 AM
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I’m all except being 31. And from what I understand, not having children is more desirable than already having children. Regardless, being all of those things wasn’t enough for the Redpill guy to treat me like a prize. Despite the fact that all the other guys I dated (and some who I did not date) felt that I was. Red pill guys just don’t actually want to treat women well. They don’t respect them, and the goal is that by setting these unrealistic expectations, they will always have an excuse to d…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 03:03 AM
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Exactly. It’s disgusting and entirely transactional. Not that I allowed anyone to do that to me, but knowing that they want to use my body the way someone tries to get the best deal on a rental car is sickening.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 02:58 AM
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This makes sense to me. Disregarding women who have obvious bad character and no class/hoes who can be identified a mile away, most women are very faithful and will not cheat on a man. They are statistically more likely to stick around in the "for worse" part of marriage when their spouse gets disabled, cancer, etc. Also, one of the main reasons non-hoe women would be led to cheat has to do with feeling unloved or uncared about. A man who is married to a normal woman with morals and adores her, …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/24 02:46 AM
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I’m a Christian. Christians who follow the Bible don’t have sex until after marriage. We still have committed relationships prior to marriage, they just don’t include fornication. You seem very naive and seem to think that everyone lives their life and operates the way you would. Happy to educate you that the world is more diverse than your narrow perspective :)
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/24 07:04 AM
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Oh no, I’m currently single but have been in multiple committed relationships in the past decade. You are really grasping at straws and making stuff up from thin air, as though you have any basis on which to tell me whether or not I’ve been in a relationship. But yeah, I’ve had more guys interested than I can count, and a few that I clicked with have led to committed relationships. I’m not sure why the idea of that bothers you… except that you’re an unhappy person who likes to imagine women bein…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/24 05:38 AM
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Well I’m a virgin. So no one has used me for anything. And I’ve had no shortage of men who wanted to commit/have committed to me. Which is pretty normal as a conventionally attractive, slim, sociable woman with a great job, no kids, and my life together. I think you’re just wrong :)
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 05:12 AM
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Yes they do, but it’s not the viewpoint expressed above. The idea that ALL men of ALL ages are only interested in women under 25 is ludicrous. Some men have a youth/age gap fetish. Most people date others who are close to their age. I’ve always dated within 4 years of my age. So now that I’m 31, I date men in their mid 30s. And there are no shortage of men in that range who are interested in me.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 04:29 AM
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In the nicest way possible, from a fellow woman and a medical professional, you are dealing with an anxiety disorder. Your concerns are not realistic and don’t reflect reality. You are getting consumed with this idea that your youth is over which is flat out ridiculous. You have about an entire decade left of being considered young by most people. Life is not a 4 year span from 18-22. Don’t be ridiculous. I’m sorry you ran into this corner of the internet before you were old enough not to give a…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 08:19 AM
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Ah, here we have a specimen of the Leonardo DiCaprio persuasion, mistakenly convinced that all men experience attraction just the same way that he does. That’s because little Johnny has a low IQ and doesn’t understand the theory of mind. He doesn’t understand that not everyone has the same opinions and preferences as he does. He is in a childlike state of mind where his opinions are the center of the universe and the arbiter of absolute truth. Poor naive little Johnny, still suckling on the Redp…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 08:04 AM
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lol. You troubled soul… fortunately Mother Nature has its way of keeping folks like you from reproducing.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 07:53 PM
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Lol. Literally the most parallel thing would be paying for the second date, or paying an equivalent amount of cash for nearly anything else. Even prostitutes who actually trade money for sex charge more than the price of a meal. And that’s prostitutes! The rest of us don’t even think of sex as for sale/a transaction. Who knows what’s going on in OPs troubled brain 🥴
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 07:52 PM
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This is the most autistic thing I’ve ever seen on this sub, and that’s saying something. You have zero grasp of how human relationships work and need to get some help.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 05:31 PM
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This is an extremely long-winded post. I heard a lot about how men don’t like high body count in women, but never got to the part about how women don’t like high body count in men. Title is a bit misleading. How about, don’t be a hoe, regardless of who you are, man or woman. It’s bad for your character and bad for society. And try, try to step outside of your low view of human nature to realize that not everyone objectifies or uses other people. And no, when you do something for someone and the …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 05:28 PM
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My good sir, I make 6 figures. I do not have children. I already said that but you aren’t listening. I am not in the same dating pool as these men :) Good day!
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 05:39 PM
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No dude. I don’t care what you do. This is just a silly game with no impact on anything. You are under some delusion that every woman in the world has to choose from a pool of men with things they consider fatal flaws, or dealbreakers. Making minimum wage or having a baby momma or a micropenis deformity is not a minor issue. Obviously, the only women who are realistically mucking through these type of options would be low socioeconomic status women, likely overweight or obese, probably with a fe…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 05:22 PM
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lol. Try 1) no kids 2) good morals 3) good personality 4) above 50% for height 5) takes care of himself/not ugly 6) hard worker with good salary at least close to mine or higher. I’m all of those things, and I want a partner with all of those things :) that’s fair in my book! P.S. if you have desirable traits, you can look for a partner with equal desirable traits. That’s all I’m doing.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 05:11 PM
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I honestly have no idea what you are talking about. Also, you forgot the 4th option, which is to be single. Being single is always an option. Women are looking for men who, by being in a relationship with them, create a more positive day to day experience of life. These men might be a match for someone, but definitely not a woman such as myself. These men are objectively in a low dating league, so will probably match with women in a low dating league. I am not one of those women. That’s all ther…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 04:57 PM
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I wouldn’t date any of those men, heck I wouldn’t even swipe right. I’m not a single mother so I’m not dating any guy with a baby momma. I’m 5’6” so I’m only dating guys at least 5’9” or so. And zero dating experience + micropenis? I can’t even. Maybe come up with some more realistic options that would be reasonable for a conventionally attractive woman with a good job making 6 figures, normal social skills, and slim with no physical deformities. These men sound like bottom of the barrel types.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 04:42 PM
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Now, in my circle of well adjusted friends in college (guys and girls) there no age gap relationships going on. At 18-20, I would have dated a guy maybe 2-3 years older, tops. That age range has stayed stable and moved up with me. I prefer at 31 not to date more than 5-6 years my senior, maybe 1 year younger if mature. Generally, a preference of very young women dating older men is that they desire to exploit their money or benefit from their established status. They generally have moral issues …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 04:26 PM
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Nope, you forgot the possibility of not open to premarital sex + haven’t found the right person to marry. You wouldn’t say something is “certainly off” about a person who is 28+ and not married. But a person with moral or religious reasons for being celibate before marriage WILL be a virgin unless they are married if they are fully committed to their moral code. I’m a conventionally attractive 31F virgin who’s had multiple boyfriends/relationships. I also have a great job which requires a high l…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/24 04:21 PM
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Exactly. OP's post is the dream of lazy men. They dream of a world where what they want is not in demand and comes to them easily. A world like this would be a nightmare because even more men would be lazy and complacement. What we need is for them to step up, be disciplined, hardworking, visionary, and inspire respect. (Single men who actually do this are relatively rare, and get snagged quickly by women without having to try.) A 50/50 ratio means that things are fair for both sexes and people …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 09:44 PM
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I really do not understand your point. For one, I’ve never dated anyone who made 300k, or anyone taller than like 6’2”. I’m not specifically looking for those metrics, but yes the entire picture of what I need in a partner (specific personality traits, intelligence, compatible religion/worldview) makes for a small pool. I’m not going to be compatible with most people, period. People with basic interests, lack of any less common beliefs, and women with lower intelligence, will all find a larger p…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/24 11:31 PM
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Right, but again, there are like 50,000 people to swipe on within a normal radius of a large city. Too high standards might be what you have if you can’t find dates or relationships. I’m extremely selective and probably only swipe right 2-5 times out of 100 on an app, but with a huge pool that still leaves plenty of guys to match with and talk with, and out of that, you’re really only looking for a single person to focus on and progress to a relationship with. So by that metric, my standards are…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/24 10:18 PM
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“High standards” to me is arbitrary. Does high standards mean high in proportion to the seeker, or just high in general? If a person is “above average” in whatever way, then isn’t it equality and normal for them to match with someone of a similar standing in those areas? I’m 5’6” and look for guys who are at least 5’9,” although closer to 6’ is more ideal. I think that’s reasonable as my height is above average for a woman. I generally date guys who are financially stable/comfortable because I a…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 07:17 AM
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Living frugally doesn’t mean living in poverty, it just means being responsible and not wasting money. For example, I go in person to the store to buy groceries and then cook delicious food. I enjoy the process and get great healthy meals from it. Runs me about $100 every 2 weeks. I could burn through that in just 2 or 3 door dash orders. But yeah, if you want a flat out luxury lifestyle and frequent trips, expensive takeout/restaurant meals, alcohol, expensive beauty treatments frequently, yeah…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/24 05:09 PM
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I’m sorry but 250k is an absurd number. I live in a major metropolitan area and as recently as 3-4 years ago I was living on about 15-17k a year for rent with one roommate and ALL living expenses. I now make 6 figures and choose to part more for rent, but the space I’m in could easily house a family of 3, and that’s paid for in my single low 6 figures income. If I were the bread winner, I have no doubt that I could support my spouse and child on what I’m currently making alone. As it is, I have …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/24 04:59 PM
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Your comment can be read as, “if a man is attractive enough, no woman will make him wait.” That’s false. If that’s not what you meant, good.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/24 01:21 AM
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Well there are a percentage of women who aren’t having premarital sex with any man, no matter who he is. Whether a man “has to wait” depends on who he is dating as much as his own desirability.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 11:50 PM
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The issue is not whether women want sex as much as men (they don’t want it quite as much on average). The issue is whether they are willing to have sex, and if so, at what point in the relationship. Having a slightly lower sex drive, women are more able to be rational and think, “hm, is it really a good idea for me to have sex with this man I’m dating but not formally committed to/engaged to/married to?” This is all it is. It’s really not complicated. When we are comfortable and the situation is…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 11:47 PM
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Has nothing to do with identifying. Women are people, not objects, and anyone who disagrees is simply wrong. You used object language (“something”) because you are a misogynist and don’t view women as persons.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 04:06 PM
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“Someone” is the gender neutral way of referring to a person. “Something” is the gender neutral way of referring to an object.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 03:41 PM
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In my circles, men and women expect that the man will pay and both want it that way. That’s fine if you’re dating less traditional people and have a less traditional mindset. If you want to go Dutch and your date does as well, do you. Your mistake is that assuming that all women in these traditional situations are taking advantage of men or viewing them as a walking wallet. That’s not why men or women care about the man being the one to pay. It’s part of the dance of traditional dating and allow…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/24 05:36 PM
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Well, at the very least, they know 30 minutes into the date whether they like her and see her as a potential girlfriend. And if they do think highly of her, they would absolutely not allow her to pay for anything on the date.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/24 12:04 PM
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You’re close, but obviously women aren’t a commodity so it doesn’t work exactly the same way. No one has ever spent anything close to $500 on a date with me nor would I feel comfortable if they did. But if a man did not want to pay even $5-20 to cover my coffee or a meal during a 2-3 hour date, I’d rightfully assume he wasn’t that interested. Over the past 10 years I’ve been dating, never once has a man not offered to pay for me or suggested we split the bill. They know it would make them look p…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/24 12:00 PM
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The point is that we in this forum are supposedly here to learn/debate. If certain men in this forum are mistaken, the goal is for their mistaken beliefs to be corrected, not for all women to avoid dating them.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/24 06:42 AM
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Lots of men ITT are saying they don’t believe in ever paying for a woman on a date.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/24 06:15 AM
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This conversation has nothing to do with me. We are talking about women and men in general. Excuse you for your rude comment. I’m the farthest thing from promiscuous and have never once had a man not want to pay for me on a date. This is not a problem that affects me.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/24 06:13 AM
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He should understand that if he refuses to pay, he will be seen as not appreciating the woman he is on the date with, regardless of how he views his own actions. Payment is the way that we express how much something is worth. Say you are into collecting something, like first edition comic books. All the collectors know this particular comic book goes for $500. But you say, “I’m a huge fan of this comic strip, and I want more than anything to get my hands on a copy of this first edition. But it d…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/24 06:12 AM
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And men know whether or not they respect a woman before they ask her on a date.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/24 06:04 AM
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I’m neither but that’s my point. You don’t pay for women you don’t respect. If a guy respects a girl, he will be happy to pay.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/24 03:06 AM
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Encouraged to see your perspective and completely agree. Some may look down on me because I’m 31 and still saving myself, but I’m proud of sticking to my values and want that to be something special only for the man I marry. So much trouble comes from premarital sex. If people avoided premarital sex completely, married carefully, and avoided divorce, we would live in an entirely different type of society. Which is why I’m okay with stigmatizing these negative behaviors - they have a harmful effe…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/24 07:55 PM
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Every woman knows that a man who doesn’t want to even pay for a simple meal or coffee doesn’t view her highly. That’s precisely why I would be embarrassed/offended if a guy didn’t insist on paying for me (although I have offered). That hasn’t happened, but i absolutely would not see a guy again if he treated me like that. It’s akin to an insult.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/24 07:46 PM
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Exactly! But good luck trying to explain that on here. Most only see the numbers and think those should be exactly equal. Money being even is their highest goal in a relationship. How “even Stevens” behavior affects the relationship dynamics is none of their concern. But when relationship dynamics are the highest priority, money is less important. Yet even in traditional relationships, you will not see well-intentioned girls taking advantage of a man’s generosity. They order less expensive meals…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/24 07:42 PM
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Yeah, it does kind of blow my mind that parents would be on here. What does this world of dating woes have to do with your life? I can’t imagine being involved in this or even being on Reddit much at all after I have kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/24 07:32 PM
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Haha nailed it 😂 and the main people who like age gap relationships are older creepy men who want to date women much younger than themselves. We see you ;) if you were normal or as desirable as you think you are, you would have married a young woman while you were a young man, like normal people do.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/24 07:06 PM
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You got a good one!
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/24 06:56 PM
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Average Redditor acting like he knows more about a person’s spouse that they do 🙄
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/24 06:55 PM
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This is amusing to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/24 06:50 PM
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I did read your comment. I think you need to reread my original one. Your comment was unnecessary because I’m not addressing “all men.” What are you confused about?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/24 03:15 PM
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Literally what does that have to do with anything. Find a wonderful person of the gender you are seeking.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/24 03:05 PM
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I never said most men outside of this sub, so your clarification is not necessary. I’m not even speaking of redditors. I’m speaking of men in purple pill debate, not women, and not any other men on Reddit or elsewhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/24 12:46 PM
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What does your comment have to do with anything I said?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/24 12:35 PM
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It’s a general impression and largely true. Certainly not everyone in this space thinks the same way, but yes this applies to most in the herd.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/24 12:34 PM
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A person won’t cheat unless they are open to it. Opportunity to cheat is everywhere/anytime you aren’t watching. But whether that person will cheat on you is entirely up to them. There are all sorts of women who would never cheat on their partner for any reason. Giving them the opportunity to potentially get away with cheating (aka leaving the house unsupervised) is not going to cause them to cheat. But good for you for sharing with us that that’s how you think. You would cheat if given the oppo…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/24 02:02 AM
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Yeah I wouldn’t say that’s normal. Noticing people are attractive, sure. Having feelings for them? Not normal. If it’s happening it’s a sign that your attachment to your partner is weak.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/24 01:59 AM
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Well, good thing none of us are marrying “women” or “men.” The point of dating is to find an individual who is wonderful, even if that makes them an outlier, and marry them.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/24 01:51 AM
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Good for you. That’s the mentality I have and seek out. Many men in this sub do not think the way you do.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/24 01:44 AM
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Exactly. Damned either way. Redpill isn’t an ideology of thinking people, it’s the mentally muddled fumings of angry people who are seeking to rationalize their anger towards women. Virginity is another one. Be pure, but then when you tell me you’re still a virgin I’ll judge you and question if you’re frigid. Redpill men want to be angry at women. That’s the point. How they rationalize that mentally is secondary.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/24 01:43 AM
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Would you kiss someone who was lying to you? Sometimes you have to listen to your intuition, and that little voice told me he could not be trusted. I was always patient and wanted to see where things went. I gave him all my focused attention and did give him affection in the form of hugs and cuddling, but at the end of the day his dishonesty was the reason I couldn’t trust him fully. I wanted to. I’m not weaponizing anything. Kissing is the most intimate thing I’ll do before marriage, and I rese…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 03:37 PM
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Don't feel too bad for him.. he lied to me about his age among other things and was a borderline alcoholic. His red flags were the reason I wasn't ready to commit, although I liked him and wanted to see him become a better version of himself. Yeah I'm a virgin for religious reasons, saving sex for after marriage. It's never been an issue, because lots of guys are willing to wait if it means being with a girl who they find very desirable. I wouldn't be interested in someone who would walk over th…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 02:43 PM
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I’ve literally been in a situationship where the guy wanted to be exclusive and I wasn’t ready for that because I wasn’t fully sure about him. Sex was not involved and we didn’t even kiss. This went on for >6 months. So just be aware that either partner, man or woman, can be the hesitant person and rate limiting step for the relationship. Red pill dogma thinks that women are always chasing men who like them less and that’s just not the case. Although it does make for a nice revenge fantasy for g…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 12:31 PM
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Yeah, it’s such a superficial way to approach relationships. But you definitely see the people who put a high priority on their looks and define themselves by it. They want “hot” partners since they see themselves as hot and they think that’s what matters. I think it’s crass to define yourself by your looks and that humility is extremely attractive. Also, that seems like an extremely boring relationship unless you have a foundation of shared interests and a strong mental connection/friendship.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 04:36 AM
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Well of course, it depends on the particular man and the particular woman he is approaching to determine what his chances of success are. But I would say men have lower odds of acceptance by women, thus rejection is not as humiliating, and women have higher odds of acceptance therefore rejection is more humiliating. But I definitely see and am sensitive to the pain of a man being persistently rejected by every woman he approaches.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 04:26 AM
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I don't think it's especially common for a woman to both A) date above her league and B) believe that the relationship is more serious than it is. I'm not saying this doesn't happen, but delusional people are the exception rather than the rule. This is a bit of a red pill dogma though, that *all* women are chasing someone out of their league or unreasonable. I prefer to date people who are well within my league, and have tended to my own detriment to date people who later turn out to have major …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 12:32 AM
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Let me just say, which is more humiliating, being rejected by a college with a 1% acceptance rate, or a school with a 75% acceptance rate? Consider that men are far less selective than women on the average.. so being rejected by a woman is not nearly as embarrassing as being rejected by a man. If a man doesn’t like you, that’s more damaging to a woman’s ego than vice versa. Now a given person (man or woman) may be acutely sensitive to rejection. That’s subjective. What’s objective is that the “h…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/24 11:18 PM
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This is the silliest internet phenomenon I’ve ever heard of. Of course I’d rather encounter another human of any sex while alone than encounter a wild bear. The percentage of humans who would be likely to both have evil desires and act on them towards a random stranger is vanishingly low. Of course it’s possible, but statistically very unlikely. I would wager to guess that human vs. bear encounters lead to serious injury far more often than human to human encounters, which occur nearly constantl…
/r/ExRedPill03/05/24 06:46 PM
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You seem to be forgetting that the comment was made by a man. I was simply verbalizing my agreement. If you have an issue, you should have replied to his comment. Or maybe just leave dead threads alone. Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/24 07:22 AM
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What exactly are you referring to? The bitterness of random men of the internet has nothing to do with me. There’s literally nothing for me to “cope” about. Just expressing my perspective on a situation that has no direct relationship to my life.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/24 12:42 AM
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Ask them 🤷‍♀️
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/24 02:30 PM
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That explains so much about the way most men in this forum treat me and other women. Not the case at all for me, but I guess it makes them feel more confident
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/24 03:38 AM
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It just doesn’t make sense that you can look at someone a full decade younger than yourself and see “old.” If I’m old at 30, he’s decrepit at 40. As it is, we’re both taking good care of ourselves (well, more me than him since he was a borderline alcoholic) but yeah. Age is relative. It’s one thing to say, yeah 20 years olds are in peak shape with zero sign of aging. Facts. But to say, I therefore want to partner myself with this person who is literally half my age and could be my child.. I’m se…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/24 07:32 PM
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Sure as heck won’t be marrying a man 10 years my senior who thinks he is “settling” for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/24 07:16 PM
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Say a guy is 40. His dream girl he had a crush on in college is now also 40. If he could have his dream girl now, she’s 40. Why would he feel that his dream girl doesn’t age, or that at 40, he should ideally be with a woman who was an infant when he was in college? The last guy I dated was 39 (8.5 years my senior) and lied to me making me think he was only 4 years older. I swear, you could tell he felt like I was old and would have much rather been with a 20 year old. Delusional I tell you. Dati…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/24 07:14 PM
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I see some opinions disagreeing with your perspective, not necessarily fuming. However, if you perceive that as anger, you may just be perceiving their distaste for bad/incorrect viewpoints. My standard for sleeping with someone is after marriage, so this post has nothing to do with me. I just find your thought process odd and bordering on “revenge fantasy.”
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/24 02:49 PM
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Maybe it’s not as common as you think.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/24 01:50 PM
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Wrong again. I live in the center of a large city. Expand your mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/24 01:48 PM
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This is a very strange hill to die on. How do you know what other Reddit strangers have experienced in their sex lives? You’re perturbed that the women you’ve argued with on here have told you they’ve never been the victim of ghosting after a sexual encounter? That’s a good thing for them. Why would you be upset about this, unless you take unworthy pleasure in learning of bad things happening to women?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/24 01:46 PM
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Lol. No they aren’t, not the people who are actually following Christianity, Islam, etc. I know because I’m one of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/24 01:37 PM
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Which is exactly why it’s impossible to agree on controversial issues. Actual Christians have completely different fundamental priorities in life as compared to progressives/humanists/liberalists. But not many people are rational enough to debate and converse with this meta awareness of their differences
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/24 03:25 AM
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😂 uh oh. The mental illness is strong with this one… here he says makeup is “lying” but in another comment he says he can tell when women are wearing makeup. Next up, wearing wigs is lying, wearing shapewear is lying, wearing colored contacts is lying. Hell, wearing clothes is lying! You’re just disguising a flabby body in that sharp structured suit. We must demand legal action against this madness! 😤 ban flattering clothing! I demand to see everyone’s bodies in all their human imperfection so I…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/24 01:08 PM
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What I’m doing isn’t deceiving anyone. The type and amount of makeup I apply is so faint that if I’m off my routine I don’t even necessarily remember if I’m leaving the house without it. I went to college in the Deep South where some girls do wear heavy makeup. I remember one day when a girl came to class without her usual face on and it was shocking. People who look that significantly different between daytime makeup and nighttime no makeup are rare. I’m definitely not one of them, lol. But I c…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/24 12:50 PM
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I think you need to reread my comment. :) Makeup changes how I look, slightly. Combing my hair, using a curling iron, or even taking a shower changes how I look slightly. None of those things even comes close to a transformative, dramatic change. If we’re talking transformative change, that’s heavy makeup. I don’t even own that stuff. I own tinted sunscreen. it’s extremely subtle and doesn’t even cover blemishes. Which is fine because I don’t have zits or anything to hide. You’re just revealing …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/24 11:53 AM
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This argument always makes me question the intelligence of anyone asking it. All women wear, or have access to wear, some amount of makeup. Women don’t “jump” up in relative attractiveness by wearing a normal, average, amount of makeup. Because other women wear makeup too. If you are ranking them, their relative rank doesn’t change. Who exactly is getting hurt by women wearing makeup? Not other women, that’s for sure. Not men either. It just enhances appearance while worn, if done skillfully. I …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/24 03:25 AM
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No, it doesn’t. My phone reminds me daily what I looked like 10 years ago. That would be awesome though 😂 i wear tinted sunscreen (aka BB cream) and blush. it makes the area around my eyes lighter, gives a slight white sheen bc of the sunscreen and makes my cheeks pinker. That’s all
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/24 03:13 AM
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I hear you! I think it’s the best for me and the most common for people with a similar social/religious background as me, but not necessarily better. I definitely don’t expect everyone to live like I do! Like I run in a totally different circle from hippies, gamers, crunchy yoga people, gen z etc. there are millions of subcultures/different groups that I just don’t have a lot in common with and that’s okay! I guess if you are meeting people similar as you, that’s the best chance of agreeing on i…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/24 07:27 PM
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I guess.. I don’t know how to put this best. The type of men I prefer to date don’t want to be treated this way. That’s not the primary criteria I’m filtering for, but every time I choose guys based on talking to them on a dating app and we click (or just meeting irl), that ends up being their philosophy on paying/gender roles. I’ve insisted on paying occasionally, but that’s usually after they’ve already been paying several times and I want to return the favor. Even then, most guys are resistan…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/24 03:17 PM
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Redpill men by and large resent and want to complain about women. They need a damned if you do, damned if you don’t system to make sure they have ample material with which to criticize and belittle each and every woman. Because primarily, it’s about resenting women. The facts of the matter are secondary.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/24 03:51 PM
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Yeah. The way you think is disgusting. I’m not surprised you have nothing to say for yourself
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/24 03:37 PM
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You’ve clearly never been to med school. 😂 Her husband is being worked like a dog in med school. That’s a ton of effort and will pay off big time some day. She (like any med student spouse) will have to carry a disproportionate amount of household work for now. Good thing most people have common sense, which your post completely lacks.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/24 03:13 PM
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The way you phrased it implies that an 18 year old is a universal ideal. Why 18? Because the law says that’s the youngest you can go? I’m not (as so many of you all love to think) jealous. I simply won’t listen to anyone say that all men want that. It’s just not the case, but men on here like to project their own borderline pedophilic tendencies as though all men are like that. They aren’t. And I want nothing to do with the subset of men who are pedophiles or ephebophiles or whatever you want to…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/24 03:05 PM
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What the hell would a 50 year old have to do with an 18 year old anyway. That’s disgusting. It’s just strange how you worded it as though an 18 year old is the universal most desirable dating partner for men of all ages. Of course there are pervs. But most men are not trying to get with women younger than their own daughters.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/24 02:50 PM
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I hope you mean her former marriage, not current marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/24 02:46 PM
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Preach. Finally SOMEONE on this sub who cares about anything other than their own personal happiness. Whatever happened to getting married first, then making babies
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/24 02:43 PM
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Hm. I think mainly that he was passionate, not boring. I liked listening to the kind of stuff he talked about, mostly, although he did have the tendency to dominate the conversation a little too much. But he seemed very sure of himself. He had his stuff together in the sense of owning a home and took significant pride in that. But we differed in that he was very focused on defining himself by his possessions and I don't put as much emphasis on status symbols/get impressed by them. We met on Bumb…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/24 06:44 AM
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I wish. I think we would have been good friends but there was too much sexual attraction for it to stay totally platonic. I just wish he had been willing to be a better person. Unfortunately I think he got pretty radicalized at some point in his life by the more extreme side of the manosphere. The dude hated women, but also wanted to sleep with them and marry one. That's some serious cognitive dissonance.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/24 05:11 AM
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My friend, this man was late to every date we went on. He was 30 minutes late to the first date, 2 hours late to the last date, after we reconnected. I mean, I'm a late person myself but by that I mean, 5-10 minutes because of ADHD. And I'm rarely more than 1-2 minutes late to a date. We dated off and on for 2 months, then a 4-5 month break, then 3 more months. I never did anything sexual with him (premarital sex/intimacy is against my values). Hell we never even kissed. The only thing he accomp…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/24 05:03 AM
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Living “the bachelor lifestyle” 🤢 I get that some men think that way, but it’s really disgusting. Promiscuity is such a turnoff. Now a man who’s spent his life productively, controlling his sex drive and focused on finding one woman for life.. that’s husband material. The rest of the womanizing manwhores are of no interest to women with good morals. The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior. Don’t marry hoes.. men or women :)
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/24 12:02 AM
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What sort of women do you like to date? Liberal, egalitarian, feminist, high body count? Weird thing is, you see a lot of guys on here wanting to date an absolutely sweet, feminine lady, and yet somehow have no desire to be a man. Not many feminine/chaste women want deadbeat partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/24 11:01 PM
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It’s just manners 🤷‍♀️ and being masculine.. sorry that upsets you?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/24 10:50 PM
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I don’t even know what we’re arguing about. I think you’re saying that because I dated a guy with a rotten personality who didn’t treat me well, that I am therefore not the type of person who could ever expect to be treated well by anyone but an ugly person. Wtf kind of take is that? The way someone treats you determines what you now deserve for the rest of your life? You’re way off base
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/24 10:49 PM
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Haha you want me to DM you proof? I never said my ex situationship was an ugly midget. He was tall, reasonably attractive, lied about his age (9 years older than me instead of 4), well off financially, bitter against women, and has manipulative tendencies. He was an alcoholic too. Sorry reality doesn’t comport 100% with your theories. Even if there are trends, they are loose with tons of exceptions.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/24 10:30 PM
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The last man I dated thought that way. And a lot of the manosphere residents he interacts with in Twitter also think that. I dated him because I found his mind interesting and i like fixing people/being patient with people who have issues, but he was too selfish to fix. And a self described incel with few friends and very little luck dating, partially because of some very off putting personality traits. I broke up with him twice and tried to break it off a few other times too. Truth is, anyone c…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/24 09:52 PM
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I’m glad you don’t think that way, but many redpill men do.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/24 09:33 PM
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Exactly. Giving money to a homeless person is pure benevolence with nothing in it for you. Taking a woman on a date and paying for it may be nice, but there is definitely something in it for you as well. Negative ghostrider. It is not the amount of money a man spends on me that matters. If I’m being treated by anyone, I order water and pick a conservatively priced meal, etc. I’ve simply never met a man who didn’t want to pay for me and who didn’t insist on paying for me. It’s innate to the types…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/24 09:32 PM
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I used to be on dating apps, but pretty much gave up due to the terrible character of many men on there. It used to be much better like 4-5 years ago. Fortunately I’ve had better luck meeting people organically recently :) but yeah, I don’t think a good woman would last long on most dating apps.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/24 08:36 PM
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You said “Sex and relationships are "exceptional treatment" ? If you’ve changed your mind and no longer would put a question mark after that statement, good deal! That must mean we agree :)
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/24 08:20 PM
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I’m arguing that sex and relationships are exclusive. You are arguing that they are not exclusive and commonplace. Sure, if you’re a male or female slut, sex with you is not exclusive. But for non-promiscuous men and women, my earlier comment applies.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/24 08:09 PM
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100%. I’m the person you’re describing in the second paragraph. But don’t try to tell men in this thread that women like me exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/24 07:57 PM
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I think the problem is that men who are influenced by the manosphere can start to think: okay, I provided for her. Now she owes me and I don’t owe her ANYTHING else. Last guy I dated was heavily influenced by manosphere stuff. I genuinely think he thought that as long as he provided a home, an income, and conjugal rights/sexual satisfaction in a marriage, that was his whole job. When I said.. it makes me feel weird that you don’t hug me, don’t sit next to me on the couch, go days without texting…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/24 07:56 PM
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“People are not allowed to like generous men! I’m tired of public opinion saying that generous people are awesome! It’s got to go!” Sorry bud. Stereotypes exist for a reason. Public opinion is what it is for a reason. Prosocial (aka selfless, good for others in society) traits will always be favored. Antisocial (selfish, greedy, out for my own interests) traits will always be looked on negatively.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/24 07:46 PM
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I love how you’re being downvoted by the scrooges on here. You’re absolutely, 100% correct, and they don’t like their toes being stepped on.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/24 07:42 PM
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Umm yes.. Hello! As a woman, I’ve been in 3 relationships in my life and none of those involved sex because I don’t believe in sex before marriage.. it’s morally irresponsible to risk creating kids outside a family, beyond just “god said so.” (Which also matters.) Being in a relationship with a person is an extremely exclusive position of importance in their life. Especially if they are a solid person with good morals, that’s an honor to be their partner. Sex should be even more rare. Some peopl…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/24 07:29 PM
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What things do women want from men that you consider universally unreasonable? For example, do you consider it unreasonable for any woman to expect a man to pay for her? As in, there is not a woman on earth who should expect a man ever to pay for a date for her? And if so, why should women lower their expectations to match your perspective when they have been shown and verbally told by men over and over that men with genuine interest WILL not only offer but demand to pay for them. I could tell t…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/24 07:22 PM
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Maybe.. Don’t date people if your values are so different that you have to do something you resent to make them happy. Or, only pick people and date activities that you actually want to pay for. Those are your 2 options, best to just deal with reality and pick one. Like in the past month alone I’ve given a 20 dollar bill to a hungry person at the cafeteria and taken an older lady from my church out for her birthday which ran about $50. I’m well off financially so it doesn’t hurt me at all, actua…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/24 07:09 PM
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We demisexuals have it rough out here, for real. I feel like it’s normal not to want to jump on someone within 24 hours of meeting them but what do I know 🤷‍♀️ But yes, for me attraction definitely develops over time. 2-4 months is where I start to feel some sort of sexual desire towards that person as our emotional connection deepens. I’m waiting for marriage anyway so it’s a moot point, but that’s what goes on inside my head. I’ve also developed crushes on people years after meeting them and b…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/24 06:56 PM
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Excuse you! You’re totally mistaken, and that’s a good thing. Hopefully your social circle expands because you clearly haven’t met the good types of people I know personally. If you joined a church they would be the first people to invite you for lunch :)
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/24 02:45 PM
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Clearly you don’t go to church. The women there are nice and thoughtful as anything and will just adopt single people like their own kids. My preacher’s wife is like that. Heck my grandma is one of the most thoughtful, nicest people i know, especially to my grandpa. They’re just regular people, elderly now. The way a person treats people -if genuine- has much more to do with who they are, not the recipient of that kindness. Nice people are nice to everyone. For example, I practice similar levels…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/24 07:32 AM
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What if, instead of all these questions, we said, what’s in the best interest of children? It’s certainly not wise to conceive children outside of a stable, committed relationship. Ideally marriage. So don’t have sex with someone you wouldn’t want to parent with. And if you choose to, use at least 2 forms of contraception, one of which should be IUD/nexplanon. Or permanent sterilization. If a child is conceived, the child’s best interest is to be healthy and grow up in a loving home. It is not t…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 06:04 PM
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Telling someone they can pick between two expressions of love but not have both is abusive. A loving partner would do both, HAPPILY.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/24 11:07 PM
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He’s just explaining how he emotionally manipulates and abuses his partner 🤫 classic Redpiller move!
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/24 04:33 AM
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I love the way you worded that👏🏻 Broke it off with the last guy I dated because of that very thing. We dated for a total of five months with a break in the middle. He never planned dates, never texted me good morning/thinking of you stuff, basically never did anything that required any planning or thoughtfulness, just spur of the moment stuff. The last date, I planned dinner. We were supposed to cook it together. He showed up 2 hours late, I was basically done cooking on my own. He drank all the…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/24 04:24 AM
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Lol, such a patronizing last sentence. No one but people in this sub make such rash claims about the way all men/women think. Just exposing their own thought process, unable to see how anyone could think differently. We see y’all with that low EQ
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/24 04:04 AM
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Since when does peace = zero effort in a relationship? My understanding was that peace was the absence of fighting, not the absence of romance
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/24 03:46 AM
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What the.. 🤣 my mental health and relationship angst was by far worst at 19-22ish. Being 31 and single is great. Life is established, have a great career that’s fun and full of human interest, travel when I want, live how I want, pack up at a moment’s notice… it’s awesome. I was just anxious about being single in my early 20s because of church norms and peer pressure. Then I realized most married people are stressed, a good percent have marital issues or just simply aren’t well suited, etc. I lo…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/24 03:37 AM
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Redpill is simply the way a straight male narcissist would naturally approach and evaluate women. That’s all it is.
/r/ExRedPill14/04/24 12:47 AM
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Negative chance isn’t a thing. You really can’t say how getting mentally and physically healthy will result, but it certainly won’t be worse overall. But if you come in with unrealistic expectations, yeah you may be disappointed. Personally I miss the days when people did the right thing just because it was the right thing to do. Not, okay where is my cookie for turning in my homework on time. There will always be an inevitably element of chance and unfairness in life. But the people who general…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/24 04:37 PM
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Your balanced, not-at-all-extreme opinion has been noted 🫡
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/24 11:56 PM
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Sure, but that wasn't my point. It's that women value people that make them laugh and feel good, even if the package doesn't look like a model. I've met lots of people who make me feel the way I'm talking about, so what I'm talking about isn't shockingly rare. I would MUCH rather date a man with average looks/dad bod who makes me feel fantastic and loved than a model-looking, salty, neurotic, gym bro dude who wants to talk about conspiracy theories and rant about stuff that makes him mad.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/24 11:34 PM
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This is how the world appears to men who can't see their own flaws and undesirable traits, or what behavior of them leads to the results they get. It's affecting most niceguys, who cannot for the life of them understand why no woman they want wants them as well, despite being such good guys. This is it, exactly. Well said.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/24 10:43 PM
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The issue is that the majority of women are toxic - they are shallow, vacuous, hypocritical, selfish, narcissistic, greedy, and cruel; You've not met anything close to a representative sample of all women. Of course the average person is not toxic. The average person has a normal amount of personality flaws, and that applies to men and women. Are you referring to the particular women you've met on dating apps? That's not a representative sample of all women. But if you believe that good women ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/24 10:42 PM
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Totally agree with your first sentence! When a guy meets a girl he thinks is really solid, then it does make sense to pursue her in a directed way. But just generally slobbering after bunches of women all at once in a nonspecific way is a poor use of time.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/24 10:35 PM
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Getting physically and mentally healthy carries all sorts of benefits in life even if you don't find love. If you want to play video games, smoke weed, and be on the internet most of the time, that's your choice, but don't complain about it. Many people who make these hopeless posts need therapy to correct their dysfunctional, defeatist thinking patterns. It's giving depression.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/24 10:31 PM
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18-40 is a range that encompasses all sorts of age gap relationships between men in their 30s and woman on the younger end of the range.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/24 11:11 AM
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I really don’t know what your point is. I’m not virtue signaling. I’m simply giving an n of 1 as a woman who doesn’t date “chadly” men. Not all women like guys who look like fraternity bros. There’s a wide spectrum and some women like nerdy guys etc. Yes, there are not many women who want to date men who are unattractive and have bad personalities or social skills. People with good personalities are underrepresented on dating apps but not “rare” per se. My point is that personality is attractive…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/24 10:18 AM
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I loved your passionate rant 😂 and yes!! Jack Black in the Holiday (one of my all time favorite soundtracks and a good movie too) can totally get it! Haha. He has such good energy and is handsome in his own way. Attractiveness is way more subjective in my experience as a woman. I’ve also had the weird experience of getting crushes in guys I initially had no interest in even years after meeting them after getting to know their personality more. It’s the whole picture, and a good personality/how a…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/24 09:41 AM
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Jack Black is so dateable. He has the best energy and is cute in a non traditional way. I would date a guy like him if I met him in real life and he was a regular person. Literally having good/confident energy, a great smile, making a person’s day, having no hateful beliefs, and not being straight ugly are the main criteria. I’ve fallen for all sorts of different looking guys, short/stocky/tall/skinny and different races too.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/24 09:37 AM
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Exactly! I was actually referring to the subset of people who are no go’s for nearly everyone, but for any specific person, there are still only a small pool of people that meet their ideas of attractive and click in a relationship sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/24 07:12 AM
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I’m going to make a point that you can choose to acknowledge or not: there are some men (and women) whose personality and general presence is such that being around them is a net negative. They are negative, bitter, boring, very unattractive physically, mentally unstable, or some combination of these or other similar negative traits. Being single is better than being partnered with these people. Full stop. So in a society where people CAN live stable single lives, they will do that, rather than …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/24 06:20 AM
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People on this sub seem disproportionately focused on fighting for advantages for their sex like it’s a team. I’m a woman, but I’m never going to support the right of adult women to terminate healthy pregnancies that resulted from consensual sex. Sorry if that offends you. I care about women’s rights, men’s rights, AND unborn babies’ rights. I’m not going to advocate for “my group” to have the freedom to rob another group of their rights, much less their lives. Might doesn’t make right, even if …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/24 10:39 PM
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Yeah, I’m starting to think some of the toxic manosphere beliefs are just a result of men getting rejected by these type of women. They like these type of women because they see women as purely objects, nothing else matters, so they go for peak physique/attractiveness. But then, these only fans type girls reject them, so now they both hate this particular type of woman and also find her sexy. Hardcore redpill men don’t see women as people. They are just objects, and hot young women are apparentl…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/24 06:22 PM
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Light makeup is normally and socially required. It is considered unprofessional not to wear at least some light makeup as a woman. So that’s really just standard. Just cleans up the eye bags and makes you look a little brighter. Not sure why it’s such a focus. Assume every woman you see is wearing at least light makeup, and doing so because it’s what is societally accepted. I promise you I think far less about makeup than men on redpill forums.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/24 11:02 AM
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This question, I swear 🤣
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/24 09:54 PM
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I feel like this is probably just a redpill theory. Very difficult to prove, but encourages men to think all women are hoes even if they say they aren’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/24 09:53 PM
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Well, you just advised every man not to date me because my dad passed away when I was in elementary school. So yes, it does hurt when someone broadcasts the idea that you are worthless as a partner for that one reason. It’s not true, and you are wrong in that belief, but it’s still personally hurtful.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/24 08:38 PM
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I can tell your opinions are based on a few bad experiences that you are generalizing. It’s a big world out there and better to take each situation case by case. But apparently you’re already married, so kinda strange that you still feel the need to recommend your personal biases to others.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/24 08:21 PM
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I just judge people based on what they have done with their circumstances, on an individual level. Interesting that by your criteria, an alcoholic or drug addict with a loving family is dateable, and someone whose parent died tragically is not, even if they live a successful and well adjusted life. It doesn’t ultimately matter because I’m not trying to date you, but it’s weird that it’s such a foremost criteria for you, above other things that would be way bigger issues imo. No one should date s…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/24 07:58 PM
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Present father is one of your top two criteria? A good person doesn’t become a bad person just because their dad passes away at a young age, like mine did. I’m thankful the men I’ve dated have valued me for the person I am and not judged me for things I have no control over.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/24 06:20 PM
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No, actually people are waking up to the depravity of abortion, and the progression of thought is again swinging back towards recognizing that murder is in fact, wrong. Thankfully, I practice medicine in a state that bans unnecessary/elective terminations, so that I can in fact “do no harm” and am never asked to assist a woman in choosing to terminate a viable, healthy pregnancy. Where the pendulum is at is no concern of mine. I simply respect the dignity of human life, which involves first and …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/24 09:42 AM
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Well not exclusively, but the baby’s well being and interests are a close 3rd behind the parents and can’t simply be vetoed because the parents don’t feel like stepping up to the plate. The baby’s best interests are being protected and loved by 2 parents. If you can’t have the decency to provide that, you better at least have the decency to get it through gestation and give it to a family who wants to raise it. The fact that anybody could advocate killing the baby as a solution is disgusting. In…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/24 09:17 AM
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Whether the law matches up with reality, or whether the law treats unborn with the appropriate respect, is a separate issue from our discussion at hand. Fortunately, the law is changing. Where I live, unborn fetuses are protected, as they should be. Being pregnant does not give a person the automatic right to terminate. There’s nothing natural or innate about the idea that a woman should kill her unborn baby, you’re just pulling that notion out of your ass. Don’t like murder? Don’t commit murder…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/24 10:17 PM
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Definitely! Maybe not completely free but very affordable/sliding scale. I don’t support irresponsible procreation.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/24 09:48 PM
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Pregnant women are a target for domestic violence, since the deadbeat thinks “if I kill her I won’t have to deal with being a dad.” So yes, reducing the number of pregnancies will reduce maternal deaths. But committing an abortion and murdering a baby just in the off chance that the mother may be a future victim of DV is illogical. We need to educate women on DV awareness and resources, rather than piling abortion trauma onto what is clearly already a dysfunctional and harmful relationship. The …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/24 09:35 PM
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”let’s murder babies before they are born so they can’t be abused.” 🤡 nope, perfectly fine sticking with other solutions to the problem of abuse, other than murder.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/24 08:47 PM
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You just made a comment in favor of abortion and said it was fair to the man and woman. Pick a lane
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/24 08:27 PM
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Nope. We can debate about clump of cell, non humanoid looking embryos without organs. But once there is cardiac activity and CNS development several weeks into pregnancy, abortion is unconscionable. The ONLY reason a 10 week or older baby should be delivered/surgically removed would be if the pregnancy is posing an immediate risk to the life of the mother such as preeclampsia or ectopic. If a doctor says it needs to happen medically, fine. Elective after 8-10 week range? Absolutely not.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/24 08:24 PM
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I think what he means is that the baby’s body happens to be inside the mother’s body, but it is not the same thing as the mother’s body. And he is correct.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/24 08:19 PM
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Not fair for the baby, lol
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/24 08:17 PM
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Men and women both have the freedom to not be parents, by not having sex. That’s equal. Men and women who gamble on pregnancy by having sex have no right to complain when a baby is conceived. They knew the odds (depending on which if any birth control), gambled, and got pregnant. That’s equal. A baby should not be killed simply because parents don’t want to take care of it. Fortunately, abortion bans are becoming more common. That’s good. Therefore, no parent, mother or father, should have the r…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/24 07:32 PM
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Men and women have equal amounts of symmetry.. do you even know what that word means? When an individual has a crooked face, etc, that’s asymmetry and generally less attractive. But women and men can both be very symmetric. A default male body and female body are externally completely symmetric, aside from men having one testicle that typically hangs lower. I can’t think of anything that is by default asymmetric on the female body.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/24 06:36 PM
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Yep 👍🏻
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/24 02:38 PM
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Uh oh, he’s doing it again 😂 I commented in semi good faith before reading the other comments about how you’re an established troll. I’ve been on here long enough that being insulted by trolls has no effect on me. Btw, if you want the insult to hurt, it has to be plausible. When you start reaching too hard and saying ridiculous stuff it ends up being more laughable than anything. Better luck next time? Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/24 02:32 PM
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This is such a passive aggressive comment, lol. Gotta love the digs that aren’t based on facts: “guessing you’re bitter from being rejected,” “guessing you’re ugly bc you haven’t commented on your looks”… nah man, just you jumping to the worst conclusions about a Reddit stranger. Not a good look for you either.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/24 08:51 AM
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I was clear about the boundaries and motivations of what I consider to be acceptable. It’s not just that I consider that acceptable, it’s that society says certain things are legit and other things are not. If men want to share inappropriate things that cross the line, they will. If women want to share inappropriate things that cross the line, they will. But the vast majority of posts I’ve seen are just reporting guys being shitty and are fair. No issue with men’s groups being used similarly. If…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/24 09:41 PM
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Never seen a post where a woman called a man abusive for not texting back fast enough. However, there are some posts where women will complain about some thing a man did, and the other women will say that she is making a mountain out of a mole hill. Unless someone is flat out lying about what you did, it shouldn’t be a problem. That said, I don’t endorse sharing explicit details about other peoples sex lives. Exception would be, if someone didn’t disclose a positive herpes or HIV status, for exa…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/24 08:34 PM
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I don’t advocate that, in either direction. But I think it’s fine to share that someone was a cheater, abusive, raped/pressured you to be physical, lied, was in multiple relationships without being upfront, etc. Any negative/abusive behavior, screenshots of unhinged initial messages off of dating apps, etc. I’m no longer online dating, but am in the group and occasionally see posts. That’s essentially what 90% of them are. I’ve never seen any discussions of the sort you’re describing.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/24 08:09 PM
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The group you’re referring to doesn’t disseminate revenge porn. I’m all for the men’s and women’s equivalents of these “gossip” groups. It helps make up for the lack of social vetting that used to be there when dating from within a group of acquaintances.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/24 07:46 PM
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Dude. I have zero problem with men having a group to share experiences with red flag/problematic women. Is it possible someone could make up lies and a percentage of these posts are just salty ex partners? Of course. That’s life. But the general purpose - exposing liars and badly behaved men - is completely legit. I’m comfortable with the reverse because I know I’m not a badly behaved woman, nor do I date so many people so indiscriminately that I need to worry about a loose cannon making up lies…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/24 07:43 PM
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😂
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 08:47 PM
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Let me refer you to the original comment: Older men who date younger women will never be able to prove to them that they love these women "for who they are" and not for being younger. This whole conversation is about people being appreciated for their souls and personality, not their bodies, money, or other physical/material attributes. You are the one who is off topic. Very interesting that you told me not to insult you, then proceed to attempt to insult me for what… participating in Reddit dis…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 08:40 PM
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The quote was not “what they are” but “who they are.” Bit of a Freudian slip on your part that you refer to women as what, rather than who. And no, calling you out on being pedantic is not ad hominem.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 06:23 PM
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It’s what their body is at present, not one of their permanent person personality features. Don’t be obtuse.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 05:24 PM
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Believe what you want
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 03:34 PM
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We don’t live in a vacuum of your idealism. Men and women aren’t the same. Societal norms are that if the man doesn’t pick up the check, he has poor manners and doesn’t care what she thinks of him. Certainly, if 98% of men pay for their dates without a second thought, you not doing so stands out in a bad way as stingy. The reverse simply is not true for women. Paying for the date is not something the woman does, even when she really likes the guy. She could, but it would be emasculating for most…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 07:05 AM
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Lol, clearly you have no experience in emergency medicine. Psych is a huge percentage of what I see. Only Level I trauma centers deal with gunshot wounds regularly. My hospital almost never gets GSWs. I’m not diagnosing you with anything. I am saying that normal people don’t think or communicate the kind of ideas you’re espousing on Reddit. It’s giving antisocial vibes.. which is most common with autism spectrum and psychopathy (a personality disorder).
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 06:07 AM
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I’m an ER PA. I function in the same role as a junior doctor, making diagnoses, prescribing medications and working independently, but I have a doctor as my direct supervisor. A woman, when she turns a certain age, does not magically start dating men she would never have considered before. If a guy repulsed me at 20, I’m not going to like him any more at 30. I may have matured and realized what I am looking for, but that doesn’t mean dating people I’m not attracted to. So yes, if I agree to be i…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 05:44 AM
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Are you saying that’s the age you have as preferred in your dating apps? 18-29? Of are you still being cryptic and vague as though you are some megamind puzzle creator creating logical pitfalls for me to escape and thus prove myself? I’m done with this ish 🤣
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 05:38 AM
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What I’m saying is.. and I’ve taken stats but don’t recall the precise lingo.. the trend of being less attracted to progressive boyfriends is just a theory. I think they say “the confidence interval crosses 1.” I.e., we cannot, with 95% certainty, say that this apparent data relationship is actually statistically significant and not just random variation in the data. I doubt this whole thing of AF/BB is actually true, it’s just redpill dogma.. or only relevant to a few atypical/low class women. …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 05:33 AM
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You said you’re in your late 30s and won’t date a woman who is in her 30s. You’re being weird and vague, so if you want me to accurately understand you then don’t be vague. It truly has no bearing on me what age range you plug into tinder. It doesn’t even sound like you’re actively having relationships from your post history so this is all theoretical.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 05:19 AM
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I’ve never dated a man that I previously rejected. That’s not a thing. Each person you date (minus an ex) is meeting you and dating you for the first time. Also, your post history is extremely disturbing. Genuinely, and I say this through the lens of being a healthcare provider, it sounds like you have neurodivergence or a mental health condition. It’s not normal to despise human interaction, seek out video games where you can emotionally harm others, etc. You have a lot of darkness in your soul…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 05:11 AM
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And that’s exactly my point, you aren’t dating “all women.” There is so much variation in a single person’s life that you could not possibly say each of her boyfriends are a sequential downstep. For example, my 24 yo relationship was great and I loved him but he was kind of closeted gay and in a Christian cult. Hard breakup. 27 yo relationship, hot Asian chiropractor, kinda short, not much emotional chemistry, didn’t even cry about it when we broke up. 29 yo relationship, loved him, would have m…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 05:09 AM
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You’re in your late 30s and your preferred dating range is 18-24? You won’t be attracting well adjusted girls who are literally young enough to be your offspring. 10 year age gap is bad enough, but 20? Yikes
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 04:47 AM
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How old are you? And why are you seemingly implying you’re offended by being approached by women who are around your age? If you have a problem with women who are your age, or beyond that “not younger enough,” that is you having an issue, not the woman’s issue for approaching you.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 04:23 AM
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Dude I’ve had like 3 boyfriends. That’s not nearly enough to generalize a trend line. Maybe on a population level, good people get snatched up sooner or whatever, but there’s no truth to this thing on an individual level. I’ve always been attracted to the same type of traits which mainly come down to masculine/good personality. I’m not aiming for different things as I age. Sure I won’t date a guy who’s broke, but that’s because I’m not broke and prefer similar financial status in my partner. it’…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 04:16 AM
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Well I’m a 31 year old virgin (by choice) so yeah, I’d say my husband will get something other men didn’t. When you’re a strong willed person with firmly held beliefs in less common combinations sometimes it’s hard to meet a person whose beliefs mesh with yours, at least in a forever/marriage sense. But I’ve never had an issue with the men I’ve dated not finding me attractive/interesting, and that’s including my “post wall” years. What a strange terminology. I see people who get unattractive at …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 03:57 AM
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If he’s interested in me, he will want to pay. It’s that simple. Still never had a man not grab the tab immediately or allow me to pay when I offered. If you don’t want to pay for the woman’s meal, you aren’t truly that interested and don’t care about impressing her. Why would that be a good relationship for you or her? And yes, you can afford to date if you are only dating seriously. Limit dates to only the person you are legitimately interested in, and only places that are within your budget. …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 02:25 AM
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Also, there is a massive difference between a guy dumping a girl who has been abusive or cheated on him, and a dumper in a relationship that has to end for lack of compatibility/no spark/etc. It can be relieving to have the dignity to walk away when you are not being treated well. It’s another thing entirely to say, “damn, feels great being able to dump my loyal girlfriend. I don’t feel the least bit bad knowing that I broke her heart. In fact it really gasses me up knowing that I’m such a hot c…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/24 09:46 PM
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Many people in this sub ended up here because they hate women. Maybe because of bad past experiences. They may or may not be conscious of this being the driving factor for them ending up here.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/24 09:31 PM
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“I have a deep seated resentment and anger towards women in general. Any situation in which I have the opportunity to reject, dump, insult, or otherwise make a woman feel badly is a net positive for my ego.” -OP See also, narcissist playbook: “there are 2 ways for me to feel better about myself - getting admiration for myself to boost my image and insulting/shaming others to make myself feel better my comparison.” Get help, OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/24 09:29 PM
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Just curious in what way you mean? For jobs, better looking people have a hiring advantage. Better looking people are also more likely to be treated better in social interactions. That’s not a specific male thing
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 05:03 PM
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Haha. If you mean like for dating, most women date men who are taller than them. But I have nothing against shorter men as people
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 04:42 PM
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You seem confused. Feminism is just a word. People who support women’s rights are on a spectrum from reasonable to unreasonable. Any and all of them may use “feminism” (the word) to describe themselves. The flair in question means that this individual sees men and women as equal (egalitarian) while also being staunchly in support of women’s rights. In essence, pro women, but not anti men. You are seeming to think that the word “feminism” can only be used by/about people who are anti-men. That’s …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/24 07:06 PM
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I think the point is that wearing makeup IS feminine (at least according to public opinion) and a man who wears the same level of makeup as a woman, or any eye makeup, looks gay. You don’t have to like makeup on women personally, but it is a thing that pertains to women or effeminate men, and is therefore feminine by definition. Interesting to hear that Balkan men make fun of their own women. I dated an Albanian man, loved him actually, and he was absolutely terrible in the end, did a 180 and ba…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 09:11 PM
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I’ve heard men like Brian Atlas say that they disapprove of women wearing makeup. He said on a podcast he wouldn’t even let his daughter wear makeup while a minor living at home. I wear transparent BB cream and blush, maybe mascara. In no way do I look deceptive, just slightly smoother complexion, pinker cheeks. Now women from Eastern Europe/balkans area have a dramatic makeup style which is very feminine but highly done up and I’m sure they look very different with it off. It still looks femini…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 08:58 PM
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Makeup. Have heard many redpill men completely bash it or act like it’s subversive and deceptive.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 01:44 PM
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Haha pretty much. They don’t value virginity because it aligns with their own morals (which are often loose), they value it as a proxy for “young and unlikely to cheat on me.” But it’s easier to justify your lizard brain preferences by telling yourself they are morally based. In reality, it’s just that they view women as objects - bodies first, people second. Obviously you want the best looking, least used object.. if you’re shopping for an object. I like guys who view view women as people first…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 03:58 AM
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Well, that’s your opinion. I’ve noticed Redpill men don’t seem to understand the idea that people can actually subjugate their base impulses to a higher moral standard, voluntarily. I was a virgin at 21 because I believed sex is sacred and belongs only within marriage. I still believe that, and I’m still a virgin 10 years later. And no I’m not one of those people who does “everything but.” l’ve loved guys and I certainly have normal desires, but anything beyond kissing is something I’ve decided …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 01:19 AM
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That’s true, I suppose, if bleak. If the issue is appearance, I’d say to make weight loss/physique a priority. That will help with dating apps. Off dating apps, looks still matter, but a good personality can help you out more. On a dating app it’s like 80% looks based, 20% profile.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/24 07:05 AM
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My friend, we live in a capitalist society. People who contribute value to society are paid for the value they bring. I’m a female physician assistant making six figures a year not because someone took pity on me, but because I absolutely busted my butt working insanely hard all through school until I was 28 years old. I was born into a family of 6 living on less than 40k a year and had nothing in life handed to me. I had to fight to actually learn (was hands-off homeschooled/self taught from te…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/24 07:00 AM
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Because you too will want it when u get older. Want what?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/24 06:26 AM
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I don’t know how to put this, if you are disappointed by what the people you date are bringing to your life, you need to ask yourself what you thought you were getting into and why your expectations were so off the mark. “I’m so bummed. I dated this woman and all she did was give me great sex and companionship. I feel like I’ve been robbed. My time has been completely wasted.”
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/24 06:20 AM
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You think affirmative action is the reason women are graduating in higher numbers than men? Sweet summer child. We’re just statistically more focused in school because classroom settings reward the type of behavior more common in young girls. Active boys are more distracted in elementary school, and there are various distractions in middle/high school that must be contributing to boys’ decreased performance. Affirmative action is about racial minorities, can’t believe I’m explaining this. But ye…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/24 06:17 AM
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Well from what I’ve read on here (and observed in the world) having sex with attractive women seems to be one of the highest drives in most younger men’s lives. If you don’t find spending time with women and sleeping with them highly rewarding, why spend so much time thinking and talking about it? Go invest in cryptocurrency or something, take lots of vacations, do whatever it is that provides you with what you do value. Fact of the matter is, almost all men want sex (with women), quite a lot. A…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/24 06:07 AM
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Yeah, but that has nothing to do with individual women needing individual men - aka, the dating market. That’s what this forum is about. Why would you bring up this point since it’s unrelated to the dating market conversation?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/24 05:57 AM
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You are failing to process what I’ve said, probably intentionally, because you don’t want to concede the point I’m making.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/24 05:55 AM
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I’m 31 and have plenty of experience interacting with people of all ages so don’t get snarky. I’m aware that many men have historically deferred cooking and cleaning to women. That’s chosen helplessness if you insist on being dependent. It was NOT the case for all men, as there have been plenty of solo male adventurers and expeditions who cared for themselves just fine without women. Healthy partnerships may delegate tasks differently, but they don’t literally need the other to survive. None of …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/24 05:51 AM
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No, men never needed women to survive. They want women, badly. Male thirst for women far exceeds the opposite. Nothing about men’s want/need for women has changed. Women don’t need men anymore (they used to). They don’t have as much thirst as men though and are more okay with being single due to lower testosterone/less average sex drive.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/24 05:45 AM
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Not sure what that has to do with my comment. This post is about the men who complain women won’t date them. That isn’t an “epidemic” for women. Women by and large have no issue getting men to date them. There certainly aren’t whole vocal groups of women with massive internet presences saying men need to lower their standards. We all know this. Your dad being unable to do anything for himself his entire adult life is very strange unless he is physically disabled, and has nothing to do with women…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/24 05:41 AM
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However you frame it, it's fair to say that past women *needed* men to get by in society. Now women have independence and don't need to be married to have any certain rights. It's only logical that men will have less "leverage" by default. Women will still marry and partner with men that they like, but they will be less likely to "settle" for a man they don't like since they can support themselves without sacrificing the opportunity for a loving relationship based on mutual desire.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/24 05:33 AM
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Serious question, why would you automatically disbelieve someone if they told you they were a virgin? For example, I was raised Christian and and have been in that faith my whole life. I’ve been in several relationships, but none longer than 6 months. I’m a virgin for religious reasons. Why would that be hard to believe? I get it that it might be hard to believe from a woman who gives off a promiscuous vibe, but if a woman hasn’t been in many long term relationships or has religious reasons, it’…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/24 04:42 AM
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You sound autistic, genuinely. I see no association between your grievances and my pet peeve.. your comment is really off the wall, just you venting about an issue that bothers you. I hope you find a healthier way to deal with the intense amount of negativity you are attempting to dump on me, a random internet stranger. Also: pet peeve = minor annoyance. This happened with one person in 2017. In general, I have zero issues reading men’s signals and don’t find life, dating, or social interactions…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 03:28 AM
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Unhelpful. People are heavier than ever, and net increases in BMI are the result of net increase in adiposity. No healthy person has a BMI of 45. Your point that increased muscle skews BMI is not relevant to the discussion. People are flabbier than they have ever been, and BMIs of 40+ are more common than ever. Waist circumferences are also higher than ever. OP is correct. People who are fat need to overhaul their lifestyle and eat an appropriate amount of calories, however they accomplish that.…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/24 11:54 PM
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Haha I never said it wasn’t. But that’s not what we’re discussing. I’m providing context of why it’s not simple like a friendship
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/24 11:00 PM
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The only thing I complained about being a pet peeve was men assuming they are hot and “above” me when I am not actually expressing interest in them, just being friendly. I never blamed men for anything or complained about being hit on by men. It seems like you just have an issue with reading women’s intent that you would like to vent about, but it’s not directly related to my original comment. My advice to you is it sounds like you need help reading nonverbal communication. Don’t assume a woman …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/24 10:20 PM
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It’s extremely normal for people at church to talk to each other. I also talk to all of my coworkers, who are men and women of all ages. Yeah, it’s not out of the question to think that a random stranger who comes up and strikes up a conversation might be interested, but someone at church just being friendly? That’s normal. And if anything, the average woman is more friendly than the average man, as evidenced by talking to people to be nice without hoping to get anything from them. The whole rea…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/24 08:05 PM
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Yeah, but I doubt you met those friends on bumble dating and spend long hours just the two of you together and pay for her food/drinks when you go out. Or cuddle, offer massages, say you want a relationship with them, etc. It’s just strange to me that anyone would call that “a friend.” My friendships are platonic and this has been anything but. Like if I dated someone else and said of the situationship guy “oh we were just friends,” that’s not really an honest answer. “We dated for months but we…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/24 07:16 PM
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In my case, both people being emotionally drawn to each other personality wise and having chemistry at some level, but there being other factors that concerned me and made it hard for me to agree to a relationship. I only commit to a relationship if I can see myself marrying someone, and with him he has issues I would need him to work through before that point. I don’t go on dates/have sexual tension with my friends. Basically a situationship is an early phase relationship in arrested developmen…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/24 06:46 PM
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Lol. Definitely wouldn’t date someone who thinks the only difference between a friendship and a relationship is sex 🙄
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/24 06:29 PM
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Women likes man more —> woman feels insecure, feels like man won’t be satisfied with her, jealous/controlling behaviors develop Man likes woman more —> man feels insecure, feels like woman won’t be satisfied with him, jealous/controlling behaviors develop Both partners feel similar levels of love/respect/attraction for each other—> imbalances are minimized and therefore jealousy and insecurity are not a theme in the relationship Yeah I’m going to go with option 3. It’s tempting to think you’d pr…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/24 09:24 AM
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Haha it’s a fair question. I can really only think of one person that irked me this way and I suppose he was fairly good looking (bookish, scruffy, glasses) although not my typical type. I can’t prove that’s the reason, but basically we went to church together and he would talk to everyone at church except me and the two single female roommates I had (all the single women at church in his age range). And then he ended up converting a very petite, extremely conventionally attractive woman and bri…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/24 09:36 PM
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This reminds me of my largest pet peeve: when I’m literally just being friendly and have no interest in a guy romantically, and he assumes that by talking to him I am hitting on him, and avoids me as a result 💀 I know dudes are more likely to only talk to girls if they are interested, but girls will talk to anyone. Me being friendly is not hitting on you. Geez.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/24 07:40 PM
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You have a weird idea of friendship lol. I don’t go on dates with my friends, and they don’t pay for my food, or cuddle with me, or talk about the possibility of being in a relationship. But that’s just me..
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/24 06:18 PM
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Your point? And no, if a relationship has been labeled as such by the parties such that they are boyfriend and girlfriend, it is not a situationship. Situationship is not formalized by the parties involved. They have not agreed that they are in a formal relationship. So “situationship” excludes all official relationships. It in no way describes “all dating relationships that aren’t on equal footing.”
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/24 04:16 PM
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Nope. The word situationship is used, by many people, to describe emotionally entangled sexual and nonsexual relationships. That is therefore what is means. Maybe I forgot to specify that my situationship did not include sex. I don’t practice premarital sex. That doesn’t mean I am immune to emotionally complicated relationships. Lots of people live lives that don’t fit your narrow view of how the world operates. I’m one of them, and often have to remind narrow minded people on this forum that wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/24 04:08 PM
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Yeah, a situationship is also dating. It’s just a way of describing a particular type of dating. Attempting to gatekeep the definition of a situationship as something narrower than it is, that’s a strange hill to die on. Situationships don’t have to involve sex, even if you wouldn’t use that term for it. Other people use it to mean unconsummated relationships, so your view is overly narrow and incorrect. The definition of any word is as wide as generalized usage of the term (not one person’s nar…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/24 03:54 PM
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No, casual dating is uncomplicated. A situationship implies some level of emotional entanglement that is complicated. “a romantic or sexual relationship that is not considered to be formal or established.” - Google dictionary I’ve dated many men casually, but considered myself to have no attachment to them and dated none for more than a month. The situationship was essentially almost a relationship, but I couldn’t commit to that. It’s gone on for about 7 months with a gap where we were not seein…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/24 03:43 PM
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Thank you for an intelligent reply. These people on this thread have no grasp of attachment issues, nor can they imagine a scenario where a woman has trouble committing to a man she is dating. Apparently, for some strange reason, men are willing to date me even though I don’t have sex with them (shocker), and in my situationship, I was the one not willing to make it an official relationship since he had some issues I didn’t want in a future father of my children. This scenario is real, but incon…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/24 03:38 PM
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No, a situationship is defined as “a romantic or sexual relationship that is not considered to be formal or established.” Sex is not by definition involved. A romantic entanglement without sex can also qualify as a situationship. FWB is the term when it is NSA sex, and sex is always assumed to be involved.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/24 03:33 PM
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Exactly. ITT, just a lot of men deluding themselves that all women are promiscuous and dating men who don’t like them. Not the case in my celibate situationship. Life and relationships involve all sorts of complexity even when sex is not part of the equation. But a lot of commenters here seem rather hung up on sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/24 03:28 PM
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I’ve been in something I labeled a situationship and never even kissed the guy, much less had sex. I think your definition is overly narrow. A situationship is just less defined than a relationship. I’ve had 3 relationships and none of them involved sex either. So if you can have a relationship without sex, why would a less serious situationship de facto involve sex? Most people are fairly loose these days, but plenty of religious people save themselves for marriage and therefore aren’t having s…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/24 03:25 PM
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Situationship is just a word, friend. If there are women who have been in a situation different than you describe, and used “situationship” to describe it, then it doesn’t necessarily mean what you are saying. A woman could describe a FWB thing as a situationship. I’m a woman and have only had one situationship. There was no physical kissing/intimacy although on his end he was ready for that and said he wanted a relationship. It was/is a complicated situation where I like him as a person, but kn…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/24 03:20 PM
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I’ve been in a situationship with a guy for several months. He wants a relationship and I can’t yet commit. We don’t have sex (I don’t do premarital sex) and haven’t even kissed. Basically, I like parts of his personality and want to be optimistic that his misogynistic/red pill type beliefs are something he can work through, but until we are on the same page and I fully trust him, I don’t want to officially call it a relationship. I broke it off at one point and honestly probably should again, b…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/24 03:06 PM
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I can’t believe I have to break this down, but people learn new things and change their behavior. So someone might have lost their virginity thinking it was fine and later come to the position that premarital sex is a sin. Also, a significant percentage of people who aim for “no sex before marriage” don’t succeed perfectly. Sex drive is powerful. They still feel bad or consider the times they had sex to be sinful. It’s completely normal that they still want to not sin in the future. We don’t all…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/24 12:00 PM
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Why are you indignant? Do you believe women can’t be loving and thoughtful in relationships and do heartwarming things? If you don’t want/value that, we probably don’t have much in common and you wouldn’t be the type of man I’m usually dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/24 02:09 AM
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For sure. I think if I was a man, I would make it my goal to be selective about who I date and probably avoid women who seem materialistic/superficial.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/24 02:07 AM
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I think the problem is this, and I’ll try to explain it in a way that makes sense: someone must be the one to “set the tone” of the relationship. As a woman, I’m more traditional in many ways. The way that I am comfortable in a relationship is with the man being the leader and initiator, and I am the one who responds. (That’s the way the early pre-relationship phase goes anyway.) If a man starts off being aloof and ungenerous in the way described above, putting in minimal effort, he will never f…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/24 08:37 PM
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It’s like this. As a woman, I want a relationship in which I am cherished. I want to love that partner back, put in effort, do thoughtful things for them, etc. A relationship based on mutual affection and treating the other well, both putting in high amounts of effort. The last man I dated was influenced by redpill ideas. None of my previous exes were, so this was a new experience. All my exes would always show up on time, plan dates, want to pay for me, text cute things frequently, send good mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/24 01:15 PM
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Don’t want to risk pregnancy Don’t feel it’s morally right You don’t have to be a virgin to have those opinions. Virginity status is not relevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/24 12:00 PM
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You said “Men can't fathom why a woman might not be excited to immediately have sex with a man if she actually loves him.“ This is not true. Unless he is an idiot, he can put himself in her shoes and understand why she might not want to- not willing to accept risk of pregnancy, moral beliefs, etc. Medieval times? Have you been living under a rock? It was commonplace in the US for women to be virgins at marriage even into the 1930s to 1950s. Lots of men can fathom why a woman might not want to ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/24 01:22 AM
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Okay I feel like you’re just being pedantic. So looking for a serious relationship is fine, but SAYING that is a red flag. I disagree. “Looking for” is a section on most dating apps and the options are marriage, serious, casual, etc. You put serious relationship if you’re looking for that. Heck I’m looking for marriage eventually. Why should I be expected to lie about my goals? That’s absurd.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/24 04:33 AM
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All my boyfriends have had a very easy time understanding why I don’t have premarital sex. It’s against my religion, and most of my exes have also been Christian. Those that weren’t were still understanding of my reasons and actually respected me way more for it. Lots of people throughout history practiced no sex before marriage. It may be as common now, but it’s definitely been the norm in many societies throughout history. But I’ve noticed redpill doesn’t really seem to understand that people …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/24 04:29 AM
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Nope, I’m concerned about future men and women from gen alpha. Was there something I said that made you think otherwise or are you just mistaking your own biases as my opinion?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/24 04:24 AM
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Lol. The men I’ve been in relationships with are financially successful and attractive, and I like their personalities. Why would you have any insight to make an insulting comment like that? I’m also conventionally attractive, fit, like people/socializing, and work a cool job in ER making over 6 figures. I date cool people because I also have quite a bit going for me. Not everyone who’s single and figuring out their relationships is a loser so keep your projections to yourself. Insulting people …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/24 04:18 AM
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I agree with all of that generally. I know men usually want sex sooner and a woman’s readiness is usually the limiting factor. I agree that men should be the ones to ask for commitment, but that’s because I believe in traditional relationship dynamics and want to be with a man who has a confident, pursuer mindset. I don’t thinking of it in terms of gatekeeping really.. it’s more like he puts his feelings out there first, and then I get to decide second whether or not I want a relationship. But g…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 12:18 PM
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I saw that comment and agreed. Your comment said verbatim : “looking for a serious relationship is a red flag in my book, always has been” That’s what I disagree with.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 12:12 PM
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I don’t have kids. But when I do, they sure as hell won’t be on the internet unsupervised on handheld devices. But guess what? They will have to grow up in a society where many other children have warped minds and toxic beliefs obtained from the internet - Andrew Tate is simply one of thousands of toxic internet influences. There’s nothing my parenting can do to fix large scale societal issues. But the people who create rage bait and polarization online are leaving a wake of incalculable damage …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 12:09 PM
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No need to be rude, I can read just fine. When you say “gatekeep commitment” it gives the impression that the woman wants commitment first and the man is the rate limiting step. What about men who want commitment and the woman isn’t ready? Because I’ve been in that situation too. Your wording just suggests that all women want commitment always, and the man just has to say the word. It’s a bit demeaning to women to imply that they are at the mercy of men agreeing to commit to them. If a man asks …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 12:00 PM
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It’s pretty rare that I get secondhand embarrassment from the way another woman is talking in the sub, but seriously you are being unreasonable and rude. Feel free to ignore my last comment because I don’t think you’re the kind of person who can have a moderate discussion. I’m not even a JP stan whatsoever but calling him redpill or extreme is a completely wild take.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 11:46 AM
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Yeah no, as a woman whose not redpill in any way, JP is nowhere comparable to Andrew Tate. He’s really not redpill at all, just traditional. I wasn’t even aware of redpill at the time I was first exposed to JP. I disagree with 90% of the perspectives on here, but let’s be moderate. Unless you’re very politically liberal and offended by nearly everything, JP shouldn’t be offensive. He seems well intentioned even if I don’t blanket endorse everything he says.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 11:38 AM
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Exactly. I would never consider someone with misogynistic/redpill ideology to be a good match, so that’s the end of the road.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 11:34 AM
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Let me put it to you this way, after my first experience dating a red pill guy last year, I know some general things to look out for, such as: -Talk of high value/low value Bringing up topics like feminism, Taylor Swift, the Barbie movie to see how I react -Fixation on Elon musk -No female friends -Actually basically no social life at all -Narcissistic behaviors like using our dates to monologue and talk about himself while showing little interest in my life -Lied about his age by 5 years to mat…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 11:31 AM
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You actually believe that? Wow
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 11:18 AM
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What a troll this dude is. Just repeating the same quip over and over like a 10 year old trying to be annoying.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 11:16 AM
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Your original comment said nothing about whether children are influenced by this type of content. If they are, the fact that it’s fake is irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 11:14 AM
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I’ve never had an issue failing to attract the men I was attracted to. There’s no magic rule that says “if you like someone, it’s because they are better than you and out of your league.” People don’t exist with a point value score that can be compared linearly. People attempt to score looks, and even that is highly subjective. There is no way to account for a person’s personality traits and the million other pros/cons of dating then in a single score. Therefore… it’s completely possible that I …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 11:10 AM
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For starters, I’ve never had the experience of dating a guy, wanting commitment, and him not being ready. All my former boyfriends wanted commitment within the first month and asked. If a guy and girl both like each other and want a relationship, the masculine thing is to take initiative and ask to make it official. Same way that asking for a date, insisting on paying, driving to meet her, are all masculine gestures. So actually, contrary to what you said, this filters out more feminine men, or …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 11:00 AM
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Women have reactive desire most of the time, meaning that if they already like a guy somewhat, and he shows her a lot of interest/attention/desire for her, it actually makes her like him more. I absolutely and only date guys who like me a lot and aren’t afraid to show their cards. That puts me at ease and makes me feel good. If redpill tells guys not to chase women and to make them do all the heavy lifting.. well that’s going to turn off most normally-wired girls. The only girls left will be one…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 10:44 AM
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So are you saying that men go through a phase in early relationships where they want to be with a woman but are simultaneously grossed out at the thought of being her boyfriend? And eventually get over the ickiness of commitment at some point a few months in, long after the woman was ready for it? Because that just sounds like being emotionally unavailable and/or dating people you aren’t attracted to. All my past boyfriends suggested we become exclusive in the first few weeks of dating, on their…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 10:32 AM
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Yeah, really can’t relate. If you have a crush on someone, you are excited to take a relationship to the next level of exclusivity and being official. It’s so bizarre to act like as a man you’re suffering in some way or being insulted if a girl wants to be exclusive with you. But I’ve never experienced dating a guy for several weeks, wanting a relationship, and him not feeling the same way. All the guys I’ve been in relationships with have flat out asked me to be their girlfriend in the first mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 10:27 AM
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What the heck. Wanting a serious relationship is a red flag? I actually want to get married, and all the guys I’ve been in relationships with have wanted that and brought it up themselves. They wanted serious relationships too. What a bizarre take.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 10:19 AM
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What did I just read 😂 (please tell me you are making fun of people with unrealistic expectations since you spent like 3 paragraphs describing a dream woman who doesn’t exist and then compared it to women holding out for a basic decent man who’d make a good husband and father) On second read, maybe you are serious? If so, the two things you listed aren’t parallel. Parallel would be an attractive woman with a good personality, hardworking, into raising kids if that’s what you want. None of the in…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/24 12:52 PM
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Serious question: why do you single out fat women with high standards? Standards are something all women/men have and weight is irrelevant. If fat women are not your target audience, it’s irrelevant. It’s just strange to me to be bothered by other people’s delusional expectations. If a lazy person who doesn’t take care of their health feels entitled to a rich, attractive, successful partner, let them live in delusion.. reality will sort it out.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/24 09:12 AM
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Interesting. Yeah I’m shocked to see how single mindedly one individual could churn out content for this sub. Never paid attention or noticed her name though. To be fair anyone who posts here a whole lot is probably eccentric. And yes, obviously a person’s credentials are going to impact their credibility. Someone with minimal dating experience is probably not going to have much positive advice on success dating. But I’d like to think this is more than a PUA forum and I think there’s plenty of r…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/24 04:20 AM
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I was trying to reply to your comment about Lilith needing to "post a picture of itself so owe can all see if it's even [is] the caliber of woman we'd consider input from" but that comment was removed by the mod. So I'll just reply here instead. I’m not familiar with Lilith, but I was impressed in the quality of opinion/thought being expressed. A lot of what gets posted on this sub is rehashing of concepts that feel tired, and this was definitely more original. The beauty of Reddit is that a per…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/24 06:49 PM
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So what are YOU looking for in a woman if not the things she listed?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/24 11:18 AM
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Rape also “works.” Something “working” doesn’t mean it’s right or acceptable. It has to also be morally above board or else it’s harmful behavior. No one should be giving others advice on this sub saying “treat women like shit and you’ll enjoy the results.” That’s exactly the meaning that was conveyed in an earlier comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/24 06:15 PM
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I wouldn’t say being an asshole, like just a salty/edgy/rebellious person is an issue. Maybe some women like that. The issue I have would be with deception and bait and switch tactics where what you see is not what you get.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/24 09:29 AM
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Point is that the end doesn’t justify the means. Just because you “got sex” doesn’t mean the way you got it is acceptable.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/24 09:27 AM
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Someone who rapes also “succeeds” at having sex. What are the parameters for what you feel good about? Obviously rape is wrong, but what about lying and manipulation? Or telling a girl you love her so she’ll be willing to sleep with you, then ghosting her afterwards?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/24 10:01 PM
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Oh I never said anything about sociopaths being a new development. Evil people have always been making the world a worse place, and they still are.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/24 09:03 PM
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I’m not denying that point. But as you and I both know, lots of men in this forum seem perfectly happy with that outcome or form of success. And that’s problematic. Why it annoys you that I should bring that up in conversation as a point to be made.. only you know.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/24 09:01 PM
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Not hung up, just rightfully questioning that harming another individual is a win :)
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/24 08:57 PM
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*Your example You seem a bit dense.. you’re (which means “you are”) basically just reiterating the initial viewpoint I challenged without adding any material to the conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/24 08:55 PM
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Irrelevant. And also false, because plenty of relationships don’t involve some pining, rejected 3rd party. A relationship can easily involve 2 winners and zero losers.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/24 08:40 PM
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The word success implies a favorable outcome, one worth seeking. That’s what I’m challenging. And who are you to say morality is irrelevant? I’m of the opinion that it’s highly relevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/24 08:36 PM
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Ahh so “he” is a sociopath. Noted.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/24 07:59 PM
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Are we talking about a competition or a relationship? Plenty of romantic unions involve two people who are both happy about the arrangement.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/24 07:58 PM
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Is that an outcome you’d be happy with? If so, that’s a rather antisocial attitude. Most normal people without antisocial tendencies feel bad when they cause suffering to another person, and that would negate any other positive feelings about their own “winning.”
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/24 07:55 PM
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Define “success.” Had sex and the woman got played and felt used? Because that’s a really interesting definition of success if so.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/24 06:49 PM
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All of my past boyfriends are hot. He was roughly middle of the pack. The others were better educated and not smokers. No, I was actually considering breaking up with him, but then he got avoidant, snapped, and the second he started avoiding it triggered me to be obsessed with him. People want what they can’t have. So even if someone is not on your level, if they push you away you’ll be inclined to chase them. “League” has a lot to do with looks, but being broke, smoking, or having drug/alcohol …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/24 06:11 AM
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What the heck. You clearly know nothing about attachment styles! I had one avoidant ex, well below my league but I liked him as a person and he was attractive/kind, but not well educated, smoker, and had emotional issues. Not on par with past boyfriends and my friends didn’t like him but I was crazy about him. We broke up because he didn’t want to quit smoking and I had the hardest time getting over him.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/24 05:56 AM
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Hey now, realistically the ratio of “good catches” to dysfunctional people changes, but there are always some great people out there at any age who just haven’t met the right person. Also, some people make great friends but are eccentric and need a romantic partner who meshes well with their quirks. Some people might be perfect just for you, but not as appealing to others.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/24 05:45 AM
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Y’all don’t get it. Attractiveness is the first filter. That gets you in the door. THEN the next filter is desired personality traits/character. Are they kind, funny, thoughtful? How do they make you feel? If your personality sucks, I’m not going to date you, no matter if you’re good looking or not. Looks might get you the interview, but personality gets you the job. Attractiveness is somewhat subjective. I usually date guys who are somewhat sweet and have good relationships with their moms and …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/24 05:07 PM
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If you find it unenjoyable to be in a relationship with a woman over 35, marriage is not for you
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 10:55 PM
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The initial discussion was the use of the word attractive to mean physically attractive. You are free to not want to date widows, doctors, etc, but none of that has anything to do with a persons genetic makeup and physical appearance Also, your last bullet point is peak irony 😂😂👌🏻
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 09:30 PM
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Well I'm a virgin. I prefer to date guys who are within my "league," make it very clear that they are attracted to me, and like me as a person enough to wait for marriage to have sex. So none of that describes my behavior in my 20s. You do you boo, but if you're older than 31-32, dating a 25 year old is creepy.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 09:12 PM
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Oh I did identify about 7 general possibilities, for starters. Either you didn't read my comment, or you aren't thinking clearly. Being attractive does not preclude the possibility of being single for a multitude of reasons. Being crazy is only one possible reason for being attractive and single over 30. There are many others. Here's another example - spouse died. You think an attractive person over 30 can't become single when their spouse dies? Of course they can.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 08:54 PM
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Lol what. I'm a woman and have generally always preferred to date someone within 3-4 years of my age. 24, had a bf who was 23. At 27, had a bf who was 31. At 29, had a bf who was 33. At 31, I'm looking to date someone no older than 36-37 max. Any more age difference than that is just uncomfortable. What's weird is thinking that as you age, the normal age of your dating partners shouldn't change at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 08:52 PM
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Lol are you implying that a woman over 30 can’t be attractive even in an average, unintimidating way? Because that’s what a “girl next door” is. To clarify, if you’re 22, i wouldn’t expect you to view a 33 year old as a potential girlfriend. But if you’re 35, then yes she’s your peer and in your dating pool.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 07:24 PM
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That’s really not a helpful mindset. Anyone over 30/dating people over 30 should be aware of higher rates of mental issues/dysfunction in that dating pool, but there are a multitude of reasons a woman can be attractive and single in her 30s. Just got out of a relationship/divorced, intensive education/work (such as doctors who don’t finish residency until around 30), health issues, caring for family, unpredictable work schedule, limited dating pool due to religious beliefs, or just haven’t met t…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 07:04 PM
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I definitely relate to those feelings, although from a woman’s perspective. Around 2020 when I first tried online dating seriously, things seemed different and more promising, but perhaps it’s gotten to the point where too many people have become jaded to dating apps or simply been burned too badly by people on them, now that they’ve been mainstream for several years. I cope by getting a lot of fulfillment from my line of work and investing in my close friendships. That’s basically where I put a…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 06:54 PM
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And I say it as a semi young person who is living differently. I won’t be a part of problematic behavior even if it’s prevalent.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/24 07:18 PM
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Yeah except they’re nowhere near as rare as you’re making out, and that’s not what you said in your original comment. My first relationship ended due to religious differences (aka I wasn’t willing to dress like a Mennonite or stop celebrating Christmas like he believed), second was just a mutual fizzle out/ideological differences since he was an antivax chiropractor who didn’t believe in evidence based medicine, which is central to my career, and third ended after a conversation about him being …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/24 04:35 PM
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Damn, that's a weak argument. You're claiming that 100% of straight men would engage in hookup culture if they could. You're claiming there is not a single straight man alive who values ANYTHING more than sex - not religion, not his own moral code, not his time, his job, his health, anything. Oops, Tim Tebow exists. And unless you want to claim without any reason that he lied about saving himself for marriage, your claim of 100% just got disproved. Short of someone wearing a body cam their entir…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/24 03:38 PM
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The question to ask yourself always is, what kind of a world would I live in if everyone behaved the way I do? If it’s a great world, you are doing the right thing. If it would be a world with some serious issues, then that’s reason to reconsider.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/24 02:54 PM
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That’s cope, but keep telling yourself that
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/24 02:42 PM
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I mean.. I’m really not trying to get semantic but saying that only the top 20% of men are hooking up at all seems very arbitrary and unenforceable. It’s not like you have to have a permit to hook up or something. My impression working with the general population is that the majority of people who are fairly average or even below average in appearance and personality have partners or are sexually active. Past 25-30 years old, certainly you do not have 80% of men being celibate. You may say “well…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/24 07:06 AM
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It’s really too bad. People have this misconception that happiness is obtained by the sum of lots of little pleasure-seeking choices, and really it’s not. Religion just seeks to teach people a better way to live, but natural consequences still exist regardless of whether or not a person is religious. In other words, everyone should recognize that a hedonistic lifestyle carries negative consequences in this lifetime, not just religious people. But most people aren’t living for anything more than …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/24 06:44 AM
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What part of my comment are you disagreeing with? Are you saying that all women participate in casual sex? Because that’s not true. Some do, and I never denied that. I simply believe it’s bad for them, the people involved, and society as a whole. What other people choose to do has no bearing on the choices I make for myself. It also has no impact on the choices you make for yourself. If everyone else is jumping off a cliff, I’m not going to jump unless I’ve decided it’s the right thing for me to…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/24 06:07 AM
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Why are you acting like participating in hook up culture is a privilege or something good? Just because you weren’t able to doesn’t mean you missed out on something good or wholesome for you. And yes, men who are desirable enough to get casual sex and then actually pursue that don’t respect women in the first place. The whole premise of casual sex is that two people are objectifying one another and using the other’s body for sexual gratification. It has nothing to do with honoring that person’s …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/24 08:17 PM
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I’m not sure I follow you fully, but I’m interested to understand what you’re saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/24 07:22 PM
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Do you think a man would ever come to the conclusion that his own participation in hookup culture is a problem? I think hookup culture is gross, but it’s strange to act like men leave that culture due to being disgusted by women who hook up. Both the men and women who participate in it are degrading themselves and are contributing to the problem. Part of being an adult is taking accountability for your own actions and your own part in making the world a worse place, not simply placing all the bl…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/24 07:20 PM
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Vulnerability is like inviting someone into your home. Hospitality is a positive thing, a kindness. Vulnerability is the emotional version of hospitality. What a person sees when they enter your home is another matter. Have you made efforts to clean and tidy your home to welcome them? Perhaps there is something good smelling coming from the kitchen. Hopefully- but it’s possible you may see a messy interior or signs of underlying chaos or depression like trash everywhere or dishes in the sink. Th…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/24 02:23 PM
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Honestly that’s really not a great synthesis of what I said. Do you actually disagree with what I’m saying? Or do you just dislike the implications? A) who said anything about a meme. There was nothing silly or lighthearted about the conversation I had with my ex. It was a moment where I realized here a person was, sharing something that was hard for him to work through and that he hadn’t opened up to almost anyone about/fully processed. So your rudeness and downplaying that is not appreciated. …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/24 08:17 PM
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It depends who you’re dating. I’ve never “told men” to be vulnerable, but I know for a fact that when vulnerability is done right, it increases the connection that I have with a guy. I fell for my last ex boyfriend after he opened up to me about some particular struggles he had being an Albanian in the U.S., especially knowing that it wasn’t something he’d talked to many people about. Especially when someone is usually very stoic, but you see they are willing to open up and trust you, it feels l…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/24 03:59 PM
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To be clear, red pill means different things to different people. In the statement you quoted, I’m speaking of people who make extreme, absolute statements about the nature of “all men” and “all women,” deny that the opposite sex has any members who aren’t selfish and superficial, and treat people as pawns in a game of life to be manipulated to their own end. It’s certainly a spectrum on here.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/24 02:51 AM
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Oh yeah, my first boyfriend was in that cult (he was friends with the Duggars actually). I did my time in the fundiesnark/duggarsnark subs. I think that was actually how I got on Reddit haha. Quite the fascinating rabbit hole!
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/24 12:52 AM
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No, I actually didn’t even know the source, just the quote, but looked it up to give credit. I’ll have to check out his work! Any place you recommend starting?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/24 10:31 PM
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Dating is more than being friends, at least in my book! But maybe romance is dead on this subreddit… I want people to be happy and successful in dating! Redpill may be one way of attaining sexual “success,” just as being a computer hacker or dealing drugs are ways to achieve financial success. Just because you get a woman to have sex with you, doesn’t mean you did it in a way that is good for her mental well being, your mental well-being, or society. I want people to achieve success as a result …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/24 08:24 PM
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Oh, I’m aware, trust me
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/24 07:54 PM
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Correct, although I don’t know why you’re surprised about that. Not everyone thinks sex should be casual and some people actually believe in formal commitment before sex. All I mean by redpill is the typical “all women just want X, all men just want X” blanket statements of dogma that people in these communities spout. Not everyone believes that, and plenty of people would be turned off to hear that a friend or partner thought that way. There actually are lots of people who wouldn’t agree with t…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/24 07:52 PM
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I may have inadvertently caused a wound to a narcissistic ego ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/24 07:30 PM
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Success is either a successful long term relationship, or perhaps for some people, casual sexual intimacy. By that standard, dude in question was not successful. The red pill aspect actually worked against him. None of my actual past boyfriends were redpill or misogynistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/24 07:18 PM
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Haha. I know we’ve encountered each other on here before. That situationship was a whole can of worms, but in short, I was interested in him for reasons other than his undisclosed misogynistic views. We both enjoy reading and had a lot of interesting intellectual conversations. But you always have this sixth sense when someone has things they aren’t telling you, or is being fake at some level. And I could tell there was an element of being performative that was off putting. Eventually I realized…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/24 07:02 PM
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No, I’ve met reasonable people on here and learned some things that have modified my opinions. But yeah anything radical is fascinating, like people who buy into crazy conspiracies. Not a personal attack against anyone on here so don’t take it as such!
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/24 06:54 PM
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My views are solidly moderate, certainly not at the radical end of feminism or MRAs, and they’ve stayed that way. I figured purple pill was the best label for that, denoting moderation. But even if I don’t agree, I think I have a better understanding. And I’ve come to appreciate some things about problems with the family court system, as well as systematic double standards a number of women hold. I don’t keep double standards personally and wasn’t aware of how common it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/24 06:52 PM
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My reason for being here isn’t that I can’t find a boyfriend. It’s that I found out a guy I dated was red pill from his Twitter, hated women, etc, and was driven to this forum out of a fascination to understand what makes people think this way. It’s a space to try to change the minds or at least debate against people you think have a warped idea of reality. To me, truly red pilled people are fascinating in the same way narcissists, psychopaths, and true crime is fascinating - I want to understan…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/24 05:54 PM
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Lol, had to comment for solidarity since no one else had. Lots of people here are confused and just calibrated to problematic social norms. To quote Jiddu Krishnamurti, “It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society.”
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/24 03:51 PM
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I think the key disconnect is that people do not understand that what she’s wearing is a sexy outfit. In their mind, nothing is sexy until they want it to be, and nothing they wear around family can be sexual. If you extend that reasoning, then it shouldn’t be awkward for your mom to walk in on you and your spouse being intimate. But it is, and we all know that. To be consistent, other things with sexual overtones should also be viewed as awkward and embarrassing when done around family. Immodes…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/24 03:21 PM
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I wouldn’t do it. For the same reason that I would have been mortified if my brothers saw me changing or vice versa. The outfits in the video are clearly sexy, so it’s weird to dress like that for her family. It’s not that your male family members are going to think sexual thoughts about you, but it’s still awkward and uncomfortable to present yourself that way. It’s a lesser version of the ick of discussing your sex life with your family. Everyone has different boundaries but I want no part of …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/24 02:41 PM
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For one, no need to be hostile. For two, I’m just sharing my thoughts on the general question of modesty. I haven’t watched any “source material” you may be referring to, and I don’t know who “she” is. Edit: Okay I found and watched the video. I definitely wouldn’t dress like that around family or at the beach. The shorts I talked about wearing to the beach are not spandex and do not outline my butt. If I do wear anything spandex it’s going to be black and at least mid thigh and not cinch to hig…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/24 02:19 PM
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Well, after perusing these responses, let me be the first woman to say I agree with you wholeheartedly. It’s not PC to express any opinion other than “women should dress in any way they like.” Ahh, how society lacks any sense of nuance. Let people scamper around nearly nude without any side eye or else you’re a dirty minded pervert. I disagree. People have lost their sense of modesty, and it’s unflattering. No need to be in a burka or anything, but maybe don’t show your entire butt. If I go to t…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/24 05:18 AM
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Same 🤝 combination of my religious beliefs and knowing I tend to attach way too hard anyway. If sex were involved and the relationship ended, I would be devastated. I can only see myself being intimate within the security of marriage to someone who is committed to remaining together and working on our relationship rather than divorcing.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/24 07:08 PM
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I agree with you. I mean I’m single at 31 so not much to talk, but I’m certainly not caught up in any major red flag stuff, more just someone who got a late start, focused a lot on education, and had a slightly oppressively strict upbringing. But I’m sure men who are looking for women my age feel similarly about their options.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 07:59 AM
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Just gonna make the general observation that many men who have the right personality and traits to be a good partner marry off before age 30. As you age, the relative percentage of duds in the dating pool increases. The whole concept that if you are still single at a certain age, something is probably wrong/dysfunctional with you or you’re not a relationship oriented person. Not always true, but frequently true.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 03:56 AM
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No, because they insist on being the ones to pay when I do offer. I frequently treat my friends though now that I’m finally comfortable financially. It’s nice being able to share :) I also show generosity in relationships in other ways. But traditional guys want to pay for outings, and I’m okay with that because I’m pretty traditional myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 03:07 AM
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Yeah that’s the thing. Not that I’ve ever been on a date with a man who thought that way, but just so unattractive. I’ll literally give $20 to a homeless person or someone who needs gas without a second thought. I give easily whenever the opportunity presents itself. Anyone who can afford to eat can save up enough money to pay for one extra meal/coffee/etc if they are interested in potentially dating someone. It’s not a matter of ability to be generous, but willingness to be generous, even in a …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/24 10:32 PM
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Do you want a traditional woman? Then rather than date women who portray liberal/progressive traits, only date women who seem conservatively minded. And act like a traditional man in that relationship, and don’t complain about paying for her. A mistake would be to date a girl who doesn’t show much decorum, and then complain that she is who she is, when you chose to pursue her.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/24 10:22 PM
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Doesn’t matter. If someone’s okay with dating a legally married person, then so be it, but that’s not an argument against transparency. It would just mean that married people couldn’t hide that fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/24 04:38 AM
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Okay, that’s just seems like a random single criteria. Like it’s valid to refuse to settle for other criteria like personality or looks, but not financial reasons. I’m not advocating anybody be a gold digger. But personally I’d need to be with someone who made at least a similar amount as me.. it would feel weird being the major breadwinner in a relationship because I’m not trying to be “more successful” financially than my man.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/24 02:46 AM
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So who is the group you’re referring to as living in quiet desperation? If you’re not referring to women who staying single because they can’t find a partner they actually want to be with?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/24 10:27 PM
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Sure I’d prefer a good and meaningful life over one of quiet desperation too. But it sounds like you’re making the unfounded conclusion that marriage (even if it’s not your ideal marriage) = good life and singleness = quiet desperation. It’s actually think it’s more often the other way around. Ideal marriage > singleness > non ideal marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/24 07:37 PM
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I don’t have a problem with the idea of 50/50, but if anything, when discussing all American women ages 25-60, I think the majority are accustomed to a man typically paying on dates if he was the one to offer and invite them out. There may be a solid minority of 25-60 women who prefer splitting every bill, but it’s far from the “vast majority.” Also, <25s and those solidly in Gen Z tend to have 50/50 preferences. So I wouldn’t group that in with millennials and older generations.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/24 07:36 PM
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I don’t understand your choice of phrasing or the point you are trying to make. Adults are not in sex Ed classes. They are not being “peddled” teaching on abstinence. Also, adults engaging in intercourse should both be prepared for the possibility of pregnancy, which is always present. It’s not a shock if it happens. So yes, if you 100% don’t want to deal with pregnancy, both partners should keep their pants on.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/24 08:14 PM
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What is abstinence peddling? As any sane person knows, abstinence is the only 100% effective method of birth control. That’s a statistical fact as there are failures with any other method. People are free to choose the level of risk they would like, counterbalancing that with their desire to be intimate. What do you mean by abstinence peddling other than sharing the facts? People should have accurate education and not be misled to think that other methods of birth control are 100% effective. IUD…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/24 07:54 PM
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That person above you made a great observation and you didn’t answer it very directly. Basically, if you were a woman you’d be the kind of woman your current ideology considers disreputable, right? I don’t say this to be rude, even though it may sound rude, but your perspective really seems as though you don’t have a mix of priorities and valued goals in life, just one goal: have sex. Maybe… maybe that’s the value system that led to the emergence of this school of thought. I’ve been so confused …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/24 06:55 AM
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Exactly. If men want to be in that leadership position/dynamic.. well guess who has to lead by example in any well-functioning organization or family unit. Yep, the man. Basically, men need to start the chain of events by being the type of person who is enjoyable to be around and submit to. Then, once that part of the dynamic is in place, the woman will enjoy leaning into the more supportive/submissive role. The key is that you have to make people want to follow you. And if you don’t know how to…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/24 02:08 AM
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I’m the only one out of my siblings who didn’t completely toss away what I was raised believing about sex and religion. And I’m absolutely not sorry for still thinking that way, nor do I hold my views as someone who hasn’t seen and lived in the world. It’s my own view now, one retained intentionally, not obeyed mindlessly. Evolving out of previous beliefs is only progress if the initial beliefs were wrong, and on that we disagree. As far as limiting my dating pool, that’s fine. I want to be with…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/24 10:28 PM
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I’m not the one insulting OP for having higher standards, that’s on you. His standards are still higher than yours, even if yours aren’t rock bottom. To insinuate that he’s immature for not championing casual sex is a really bad take.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/24 10:03 PM
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You’re making the assumption that every person’s goal for their sexuality should be to spread it around as much as possible. That’s not my goal nor a potential I’m aiming for. My ideal sexual potential is one supportive partner for life, and I do view sex as sacred. So at a bare minimum, keep in mind that others have different goals for their life than you do, and different views of sexuality. Nothing makes your view the “right one.”
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/24 09:59 PM
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OP, you’re completely correct in your view of casual sex. Don’t be discouraged by the naysayers on this thread who I’m sure will downvote me as they downvoted you. Not everyone is living by a higher moral code. Lots of people live like slightly more advanced versions of animals, and would gladly admit that’s all they think they are. Pleasure is the driving factor, and most adults aren’t willing to deny themselves a dopamine hit. Regardless, you will not regret living your life for better things …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/24 09:54 PM
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Yeah, because delayed gratification and self-control is such an immature trait 🙄
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/24 09:47 PM
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Lol. Of course I am biased. But facts are facts and I’m not bringing my religion into this conversation, you’re the one doing that. Honestly sounds like you have a chip on your shoulder against religion or don’t think there are any reasons other than religion not to be a complete hoe. I’m not “afraid” of anyone’s consenting adult activities, just in favor of people not making stupid decisions that will later bring them to my ER, taking time away from people who are having actual medical emergenc…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/24 06:07 AM
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Your lack of nuance is really something. If you think the existence of those medications means people aren’t contracting and suffering from the effects of STDs today, well I can guarantee you don’t work in medicine. Nothing I’ve said has literally anything to do with religion, much less Christianity specifically, much less the hyper specific idea referred to as purity culture. It’s as simple as, don’t have unsafe sexual practices, because it’s bad for your health, bad for your kids born out of w…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/24 05:23 AM
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No you don’t have it straight. You are deeply confused. Of course I am aware of all those medications, don’t be an idiot. You’re the one apparently stupid enough to think that the existence of medication makes STIs a complete non-issue. Of course, the reason you have such an idiotic opinion is that you CLEARLY have no formal education on medical matters. And like most people, consider your opinion equal to that of a trained medical professional based on your own informal research. Prevention is …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/24 04:11 AM
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Dude I’m a full on healthcare provider in the US with a graduate level degree. Treating people with STDs is part of my job. Don’t even start with this as though you have anything to teach me about medical matters. Don’t get me wrong, lots of STDs are more manageable than they’ve been. The drugs are extremely expensive however and noncompliance is rampant. Contracting HIV isn’t a death sentence but it is absolutely a life sentence. And don’t act like I’m out of touch with the worlds problems when…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/24 03:35 AM
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I think this comment may have just convinced me that my time on this sub needs to end. This is a tragically bad take. Statistically, no single or step parent situation has outcomes even comparable to a child living from 0-18 with their two biological parents. So yeah, committed individuals married and raising children together are the bedrock of society. Single parent homes raise dysfunctional kids with far higher rates of mental illness and criminal activity who go out and look for love and acc…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/24 01:01 AM
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This post wasn’t about what women want, but the phrasing “all women” and generalizations like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 09:28 AM
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I find that scenario hard to imagine in the way you stated it, but I suppose that person is still better off in every way than if they’d remained at their starting point
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 09:24 AM
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My point is that it’s not unreasonable to encourage others to do things for intrinsic reward. It’s no skin off my back either way. But doing the right thing makes you a better quality of person, and that is a reward in itself. Outcomes are never guaranteed. That doesn’t mean there isn’t an optimal way to live.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 09:20 AM
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Are you blind? I said in my comment that I did not end any of the relationships. Or want them to end for that matter
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 09:17 AM
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You really do not read do you? I literally said I did not dump any of them
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 09:15 AM
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Wrong interpretation. There are some things you can’t control, and some things you can. Your life will be better if you choose to focus on the subset of things within your control. I’m not saying “your situation is entirely your fault.” I’m saying some factors are within your power to control. But yes, it’s easier to brush off everything as out of your hands and live as a complete victim.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 09:14 AM
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So many things would be rational with qualifiers- in general, women prefer men who are in good shape physically, have reasonable means, and are at least a few inches taller than them. But of my 3 boyfriends, none of which I dumped or cheated on, 2 were under 6 feet, none had 6 packs, and only 1 made 6 figures. And I was very happy in those relationships while they lasted.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 09:06 AM
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Clearly the entire message of my post went over your head. Nothing you have said in any way refutes my post. You’ve simply made an unsubstantiated claim. Can’t cure everyone’s illogical thinking though, so if you’re not going to be rational I’ll stick with talking to people who demonstrate good sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 08:58 AM
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Thank you for sharing this original thought so that we here could all digest it
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 08:52 AM
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You didn’t answer my question. To make it personal, rather than 3rd person, do you ever do things out of self motivation because it’s the right thing to do? So that you can be proud of yourself and experience character growth?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 08:49 AM
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What is your point? Yes, people are incentivized to be better when they want to impress someone, or when they want to get a certain school acceptance, career, promotion, etc. that fact doesn’t pertain to the question I asked you.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 08:39 AM
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Is there any intrinsic benefit to living in such a way that you’re proud of your choices? Is that benefit only relevant if it gains you a partner?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 08:18 AM
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I see your point, although I think it would be very difficult to cite academic sources. Coming from a background in research (biology), I can’t help but feel that unlike concrete biological topics, social questions are far more difficult to accurately control for/study since there are so many confounding variables and the results don’t always generalize the way some want to apply them. Frankly half the people in this sub don’t even have common sense, and you have to have quite a bit more than pl…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 08:15 AM
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Logically though, we aren’t arguing whether men or women have greater variability than the other. Simply, all individuals are distinct. No human is exactly alike. 2 million may be a larger number than 1 million, but you are still wealthy if you make $1 million dollars a year. Both men and women are highly diverse, even if you are correct that men are more highly diverse.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 07:52 AM
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Exactly. Focus on things that can be improved. The inspiration for this post was seeing a claim that “personality doesn’t matter” (i.e., women, don’t care about it). Easier to claim that than to do the hard work of improving personality flaws. Embracing your ability to change for the better is actually empowering. And that change WILL matter to any partner you’d want to be with.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 07:09 AM
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Most people want partners and most people are straight, so anything other than a 1:1 ratio isn’t good for society. Just look at china where there aren’t as many women as men. But fortunately this will never be the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 04:05 AM
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Dude what are you even talking about. You’re the one not understanding that people have no obligation to date people they aren’t attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 09:18 PM
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Exactly. If you are a white upper class woman in America, you are not rubbing shoulders with large groups of Hispanic blue collar men. So your pool of dating partners is not “everyone” it’s upper class men, many of whom will statistically be white and on average 5’9” or 5’10”+. Shorter Hispanic or Asian men typically date from their female peers who are shorter than they are. I have nothing against interracial relationships, but statistically this is what happens.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 05:49 AM
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I’m not talking about confrontation. I’m saying you’ve never heard real women saying stuff like that. It’s internet rage baiting/extremist behavior. If we based any view solely off the internet it would be “off” compared to polling the general population. Do you want your date to pay, or just offer to pay? I’ve definitely offered to pay on some dates, but often the waiter will just give the guy the check and he pulls out his card immediately to pay. It’s in poor taste to try to stage a discussio…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/24 08:21 PM
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This comes off like you don’t talk to real women and your opinions are based off of studying women on tik tok.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/24 02:23 PM
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My makeup costs about $40 a year, with use most days. I wear the same thing every day, including maybe a little extra eyeshadow on dates. Who pays for the date has nothing to do with the cost of my makeup. Every guy I have dated has insisted on being the one to pay. I’ve even been told I shouldn’t have split the check when it came while the guy was in the restroom and I split it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/24 02:20 PM
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You know what’s unattractive? Walking around life with a chip on your shoulder and a victim mentality. Consider for a moment that there are groups of women and minorities who also make victimhood a focus in their identity. Christians can have that victim mentality too sometimes. And yet you as a man want to focus on the ways in which you feel life has shorted you. I guarantee with that attitude, you’d be doing the exact same thing in a different scenario no matter what race or sex you were born …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/24 08:04 PM
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Me having a conversation with another redditor that is not specific to the post is not a “red herring” or a violation of any Reddit etiquette. Branching ideas is literally how conversation flows. Please get over yourself. Also me: “IF you choose to get offended…” You: “says the one… claiming I was offended” No, no i did not. Happy to quote that back to back since you clearly don’t read carefully.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/24 10:03 AM
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I don’t know what you’re on about. If you choose to get offended by me simply expressing agreement with a general observation made by another commenter, it’s a free country, be offended. Neither of our statements are specifically related to the post, not that it matters. I don’t understand why you’re stuck on that point. You’re forgetting a very important reason people continue conversations in social settings: to be polite. Not everyone has the social graces to break off a conversation in a way…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/24 08:56 AM
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Reread my comment. I said nothing about the post or OP. I was amused by the accurate observations of the commenter I replied to RE blanket statements by men about what women “must be thinking” being made on this forum, which happens constantly. Also, what? You think that if a woman is talking to you at a bar, she is 100% interested? I can’t believe I’m breaking this down, but it could be anything from polite conversation/being social, mild interest which faded away in the first 30 seconds of sen…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/24 08:17 AM
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Hahaha.. that’s rich. And whether or not you believe the implications of your statement above, you should still thank your wife.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/24 03:27 AM
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Underrated comment 😂 I don’t even bother pushing back on the ridiculous claims that men on the internet who have never met me know my thoughts better than I do
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/24 02:28 AM
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I don’t think they are that happy. I grew up very conservative and have witnessed an immense amount of dysfunction in conservative families (plenty of good ones too - depends on the individuals involved - but there are many mentally unhealthy individuals who identify as conservative). I’m solidly moderate and want a relationship in which both partners love and respect each other, yet the man skews more towards traditional masculine tendencies and the woman is more feminine. I.e. wife does more o…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/24 06:55 AM
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You found 50% attractive?? I’m impressed. I wish I was attracted to that many men. For me it’s most of the same filters as you (no bio, unsure/casual vibe, looks like an fboy, super conservative/liberal) and that eliminated a lot. But then out of the remainder, many are overweight or not my type unfortunately. I was literally wanting to connect with maybe 1-2 men out of 100. But I’m off the apps now.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/23 07:00 AM
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How narrow minded of you to think that productivity and zest for life are mutually exclusive. Like attracts like, and for me that is a reassuring thought! Equally narrow minded that you think the only way for a woman to have a meaningful life is by fulfilling certain relationship markers of marriage, children, or being a stay at home mom. I never said I defined my life by material markers of success. Success can look very different for a 30 year old women. It could involve being an awesome wife …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/23 09:02 PM
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That's hilarious that you think a 30 year old man who smokes weed every day, plays video games, and has a mattress on the floor is equally a "failure" as a 30 year old woman with no children, no debt, a nice well kept apartment, and a successful career. Clown logic.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/23 04:04 PM
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Your last sentence.. you think a man who acts irresponsible, has a mattress on the floor, and generally behaves at a 19 yo maturity level is equal to ANY woman who has not had children past say 30? What a clown. No, the counterpart to a responsible, single woman age 30+ without children is a single, responsible man age 30+ without children who has invested a similar level into his education, fitness, finances, and living arrangements. The parallel to the type of man described in the comment abov…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/23 03:59 PM
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Fresh and fit sounds like a brand of healthy frozen dinners.. is this seriously a manosphere thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/23 12:41 AM
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Don’t bring common sense into this! ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/23 12:39 AM
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Very simple OP. Talk to and pursue women you would be excited to be with. If you need the other person to sell themselves to you, you clearly don’t appreciate what you perceive about them. Do us all a favor and don’t date people you think have nothing of value about them. This is a you problem of not knowing how to decide who to date.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/23 12:37 AM
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Glad to hear it. I don't see that my reasoning is problematic. Arousal is always spontaneous/involuntary, however you want to put it. It's not a conscious decision to get an erection. If that spontaneous reaction happens as a result of you literally glancing at a certain woman in public and not actively entertaining any sexual fantasies - sure, by my account you haven't done anything wrong. Yes your brain triggered a reaction involuntarily based on visual input. If that reaction happens from you…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 06:33 AM
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If I felt that this was an honest question, I might engage with you differently. But I'm going to turn it back to you in the form of a question. Do you see a difference between being attracted to someone out and about versus choosing to look up and turn on pornographic content? My answer: they are 2 different scenarios. One is random, the other deliberate. One, you have a choice to look away/not actively pursue a sexual train of thought. The other, the GOAL is a sexual train of thought. If you c…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 05:40 AM
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I have no idea what men and women who watch porn think exactly. That's not the point. The point is that in some way, however you want to word it, they are identifying with and receiving sexual pleasure from what they are seeing. So whether you are conscious of what is going on or it's happening below your consciousness - the person who observes porn is having the same type of sexual response cycle/arousal that they would if they were actually about to have sex with a real person in front of them…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 04:58 AM
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Are you saying both are harmful, to different degrees? Or are you saying that looking at porn has no negative effect on the relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 04:13 AM
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In the most neutral, non-offensive way possible, you seem troubled. Just the type of things you are saying comes across as poor quality of mental health. You may also be young.. but most people would understand that raising children is tough if done well, and children need mentally healthy parents who spend quality time with them. Anything else is going to adversely effect their development
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 03:34 AM
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Not really a relevant rebuttal. A relevant reply would be something that indicates you will be a good parent. Saying that many bad parents exists is irrelevant
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 03:21 AM
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What is your point? A man looking at porn is fantasizing about being with that person. He wants to be with that other woman acting that stuff out. Mirror neurons or whatever. So he’s harming his relationship by cultivating an appetite that’s not legitimate. I’m not going to say porn is adultery. But it’s a step in the direction of the attitude that leads to adultery. Neither married man nor married women should go out and seek out flirtatious interactions with the opposite sex either. This is al…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 02:24 AM
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Exactly! I can respect someone even if I disagree with them, if they live consistently with the standard they hold others to. But this “rules for me but not for thee” is pure insanity. I’m not promiscuous. I dress modestly. If I’m in a relationship I don’t have eyes for anyone else. Check. You won’t be dating me if you don’t hold yourself to the same standard. If you think I’ve done the “right thing” all these years just to get with someone who is going to cheat on me 8 months into our marriage,…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 02:16 AM
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I weed out men who show higher than average tendencies toward lust and who seem, based on their behavior to need many different sexual outlets. I.e., thirsting after hundreds of women on Instagram, only fans, etc. why? Because I highly doubt they are going to magically change and be content with just me during a relationship. People whose sexual appetite is so out of control that it’s publicly discernible.. they are definitely in the upper percentages and therefore more risky for infidelity in m…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/23 11:05 PM
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😂
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/23 03:01 PM
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There are levels of reasoning. The easy way through life is generalizations - all men are this way, all republicans are racist, all democrats are morons. It’s easier, and mentally lazier, to generalize. It is harder to see every person, and every issue as distinct and worth evaluating independently. Two things can be true: women can be gullible more often than men, but not all women are gullible. A sex can have tendencies, but not every member of that sex is defined by that tendency. Beware of l…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/23 05:43 AM
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Always encouraging to see people of faith on here. While I wish everyone had a relationship with God, I wish that even those who did not could at least benefit from the principles about moral conduct that scripture teaches. So much pain and discord, seen in the jaded/disgruntled views expressed in this sub, results from the downstream effects of choices God calls sinful. Oftentimes when we haven’t seen the light, we see others shortcomings clearly, without seeing our own responsibility. Both men…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/23 05:21 AM
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Well for one. I’m not sexist and value men’s role in society. So I’m not seeing the world through the lens of “men bad” or thinking that way. Sure, the author may have been biased. I don’t know and didn’t read the article beyond the quotes here. Bias may be behind the word choice, but it can also be read as a non-derogatory use of the word “claim.” We don’t know for sure. But anyone who has a chip on their shoulder is likely to experience confirmation bias and pick up on their particular “-ism” …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/23 05:54 AM
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Yeah you’ve made your priorities very clear. Just wanted to spell out what you were implying, that’s it’s all about #1 <—narc alert
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 11:32 PM
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It’s understood that they are discussing the results of a self report survey. So it may be a bit of subconscious bias on the part of the writer, but like I said I don’t think they are using the dubious sense of the word claim. Like if I said, “Bob claims his daughter Sarah as a dependent,” I’m not casting doubt on Bob’s claim.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 11:06 PM
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The best results for you, someone with a high desire for control/the upper hand. Not the best results for her.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 11:00 PM
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To be honest, I did not finish past about halfway through your post. I’m just stating my views on the topic at hand
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 08:05 PM
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There is truth to what you’re saying. The caveat - I would date a man whose current work ethic and behavior mean that he is likely to be successful down the road. He doesn’t have to have already made it, but he does have to presently have the types of behaviors and attitudes associated with success. “Potential for success” does not equal “potential to eventually develop work ethic and self-discipline.”
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 07:44 PM
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Lol. I see your point but I don't think they are using claim in the doubtful sense, probably just the sense of taking responsibility. It's a writing/English thing to vary your verbiage rather than copy/pasting the exact same structure. It would read less pleasingly if both clauses said "are responsible" or "claim responsibility." Obviously this is just a survey.. everything reported is just an unsubstantiated claim. From Merriam Webster: 3a: to assert in the face of possible contradiction : MAIN…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 07:24 PM
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Nope, any person can practice manipulation. I don’t date women so I can’t comment on women’s behaviors, all I know is that I strive to communicate openly with any man I date and reject men whose actions are calculated/game playing rather than sincere. We may be taking past each other. Needy behavior/desperation is a turn-off. A man being the one to initiate texts/dates/calls (a majority of the time) is attractive within the context of a dating relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 05:25 PM
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We call that “hot and cold” behavior in dating. I have cut things off with men I dated over them exhibiting hot and cold behavior. The last guy I dated went 2 days without texting me at all (this was after like 6 weeks of dating). After I got tired of this and ended it, I found his Twitter and discovered he was into redpill and had liked all sorts of tweets about ignoring women to make them to make them more interested. (That was how I discovered redpill and this sub.) This isn’t middle school. …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 05:16 PM
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Nope, just trying to dispel the myth that women dislike men who pursue them.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 05:00 PM
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So sad yet fascinating to peer into the inner workings of a soul without a moral compass.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 09:02 AM
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Relationships in which the man feels the need to have the upper hand work best for him when the woman loves him more. And vice versa for women. At some point, you fully love someone and it’s not a matter of degrees. You’re both fully in with each other. That’s the only kind of relationship I’d feel comfortable being a part of. Anything where one partner feels the need to have control/upper hand by loving less, that’s going to come at the psychological expense of the other person. It’s unequal an…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 08:56 AM
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Nope. Men lead, women tend to follow. Men chase and initiate, women respond.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 08:51 AM
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This is a common misconception by men. Women who approach dating from a genuine place will NOT be turned off when a man they think is a catch chases them. Women will be turned off if the guy quickly reveals that he is insecure, needy, and looking for someone to fill what is lacking in his life. If a guy they don’t think is a catch chases them, the chasing doesn’t turn them off, they were just never interested to begin with. Nothing changes. As a woman with very traditional morals and values, my …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 08:46 AM
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If a man “gets his life together” at 33 and becomes responsible and productive after being aimless in his 20s, he becomes more attractive as an individual. There may be 20% of women under 25 willing to date someone 8+ years their senior who is successful. Whereas when he was younger, 100% of women under 25 were willing to date a guy his age, but maybe only 10% wanted to date someone without their stuff together. But after a man becomes financially stable/competent, his attractiveness to young wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 12:57 PM
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All I’m going to say is that as a younger woman in my early 20s, I was absolutely not open to romantic relationships with anyone more than 5-6 years older than me, and that’s remained the case. So in my view, if you want the consideration of a large swath of girls in their young 20s, you need to also be in your 20s. The percentage of young women willing to date you - period, regardless of your financial success - decreases as you age.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 06:08 AM
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I agree that women should marry younger, but so that they can pair off with people their own age. Obviously as you get older, more members of the opposite sex are taken/married, and dysfunctional people are overrepresented which makes dating harder. But I mean, the idea that men are always valuable and women who are unmarried and over 30 have no value is just incorrect and insulting. They may not be as attractive, but I have never had an issue attracting men about 1-4 years older than me (for re…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 01:26 AM
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Gross
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 01:09 AM
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I would love to see you show your girlfriend this comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 05:58 PM
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The last guy I dated lied about a ton of things, including his age, phone number, and last name, among others. He supposedly really liked me, but I could never actually trust him because I had this sense he was not being transparent. After I broke it off with him, I did a little googling and found out all sorts of stuff he had been lying about (which of course he denied). His Twitter was full of all sorts of misogynistic stuff, which led me down the rabbit hole of learning about Red Pill, and th…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 05:46 PM
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He's trying to see if any women are interested in his ideal scenario, methinks
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 08:06 AM
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Nope. I only need about 45k a year to live the lifestyle I enjoy (and I make over that) so at this point I have no huge financial incentive to marry. The only thing I'm looking for is an awesome person who loves me and sees the world with the same value system as me. That's not what red pill doctrine teaches, but I'm a woman and that's what I want. Red pill doctrine also says I'm lying about what I want.. but I'm not :)
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 08:04 AM
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If you decide to start a family - or ANY serious undertaking - without first deciding if you can afford to do so, you are foolish. Full stop. You won't be alone, as there all sorts of very dumb people out there reproducing irresponsibly. They show up to my ER all the time. Proceed at your own risk.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 06:03 AM
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I’m not sure if there was an actual point to your comment, or if you just made sure to make as many objections as possible. How anyone disagrees with “you need to be realistic about your ability to support a family” is beyond me. That’s just common sense. To be fair, if you’re both dirt poor and scraping by, then yes I’d say both of y’all need a roommate, partner, or both. So I can see that being a mutually beneficial thing for lower income individuals. But you still need to be realistic always …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 05:49 AM
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I’m cackling 🤣🤣🤣 a raggedy old teddy bear.. at 25?? Y’all are trippin in here.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 05:41 AM
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Did you seriously downvote my comment for simply clarifying what you are asking? If so, yikes man. Don’t let that downvoting power go to your head. Yeah times suck economically for many people. So men need to be realistic about whether they can afford to support a family. And if you aren’t making a substantial income, it narrows your pool. You can still attempt to date and probably will need to be dual income. You can’t expect women to want to date you when you don’t make enough to cover a good …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 05:22 AM
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I really empathize with this. At 30, I can see how much the decisions you make from like 15-21 or so really impact the trajectory of your life.. but at the time you can’t really appreciate how much it’s going to matter.. brain isn’t developed, etc. So it’s kind of a crapshoot and you just have to hope your teenage self fell in with the right crowd and made the best decisions they could. I know weight loss and that kind of habit change is grueling.. honestly probably harder than anything I’ve eve…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 03:59 AM
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I’m not sure what you’re asking or implying by your comment. Does what seem realistic?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 03:32 AM
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I have never seen so much whining about basic facts of life/state of the world until I fell down the rabbit hole of this sub. We can talk about men’s rights, legal equality, all that’s good and fine, but there is this constant, endless complaining by men about women not wanting to date them. What is the point of complaining about this?? Aside from height, there are VERY few things men have zero degree of control over. And while appearance matters to both sexes, it matters less to women, whereas …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 01:08 AM
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As a thought exercise, how would a relationship with a rich/successful man and a pretty but unsuccessful woman go? The man can provide, so at least there’s that. How about a handsome but unsuccessful man and a pretty but unsuccessful woman? You think they’ll be happy long without money to pay the rent or raise a family comfortably? How about a rich/successful woman and a handsome but unsuccessful man? It may work, but the dynamic is a bit weird/emasculating. Basically, ALL men who want to be in …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 12:58 AM
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In a relationship I spend my time with the guy obviously first of all, and I do thoughtful things for him like picking up gifts for him, making food, giving rides, and at times being the one to treat him, like buying snacks at a concession stand or whatever. In more formal settings where there is an actual tab or check, he tends to be the one to want to pay, although I never presume that. Critical point here: if you are unhappy with an arrangement where on an excel spreadsheet, your financial in…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 12:29 AM
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And what exactly qualifies you to speak on behalf of every woman on the planet?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 05:59 PM
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It accurately describes me. Premarital sex is against my morals anyway, but fortunately I don’t have to deal with any urges to go after random people sexually. In the context of a relationship, at some point that switch flips and I enjoy physical expression of affection and definitely look forward to intimacy. Sure I notice attractiveness and that plays a role in who I date, but I would not want to hook up. It’s actually bizarre to me how anyone treats something as intimate as sex in such a casu…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 05:57 PM
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You asked me a question that can’t be answered due to being subjective. I gave examples of the way services have value and the way relationships themselves have near infinite value.. IF you love the person. That’s like asking me “what’s more valuable than money” or something similar. I can’t tell you what YOU value. If your relationship with $10, $20, $30, etc is worth more to you than the value of having a date with a girl you can see a future with, that’s your prerogative. I haven’t failed to …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 04:30 PM
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Not really sure the point you are making. But yeah “that’s just how you look at it” would be a pretty good synopsis of most threads/comments on here. From an outside perspective, most comments seem like they are made by people who don’t experience the emotions of love and empathy. And they don’t seem to realize that relationships are really hard to maintain when you approach them without a heathy spectrum of functioning human emotion beyond lust, jealousy, and anger.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 10:15 AM
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I’ve pointed out that while money has an objective value, the value of goods, services, and intangible social factors is subjective. There’s a couple online where the girl is able bodied and the guy is congenitally disabled. She’s his wife and caretaker. That’s an extreme example of where the concrete money/goods/services from one partner are significantly disparate, but it equals out because she values the relationship with him highly. That’s the whole point. I can’t tell you what YOU value. It…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 10:07 AM
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I think men know it’s expected, yes. It’s the standard and the way things have been done for a very long time. The question is whether all men RESENT paying. I don’t think the majority of them do based on my experiences dating men.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 09:40 AM
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I should clarify, it is not reciprocal. If someone buys me dinner, that doesn’t mean I’m sleeping with them in return. I’ve never run into a man who didn’t want to pay for me, and I assume when I do marry, that person I eventually marry and have a sexual relationship with will have paid for me along the way. But by that point we’ll be sharing finances.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 09:38 AM
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Well with that sort of logical reasoning, let’s consider this case closed ladies and gentlemen.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 09:33 AM
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I said nothing about “equality.” I’m making a factual statement about financial realities. If you remember algebra, an equation might be set up in the format of A + B = C + D. Or the equals sign could be a > or < sign if the totals are not equal. If the only thing in this world that holds value is money, then we can say yes, there is an imbalance in most relationships where more $$$ are put in by the man. But (and this requires higher level thinking aside from black and white, “gotcha,” Twitter …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 09:30 AM
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Some times the opportunity is there and other times they pay/reach for the check while you are in line and it’s clear they intend to pay. Part of social skills is knowing how to read the room and know when it’s acceptable to offer and when it would be awkward to make an issue out of it. Especially when you are standing in line for coffee, it’s only like $5, and he clearly moves to pay. I’m not gonna insult someone making an engineer salary by implying that he wouldn’t comfortably pay for it. My …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 08:41 AM
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As I stated above, I give generous tips every time for services and donate to charity (no less than $500 every month to church and various other charities). Or are you asking specifically in the context of a relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 08:35 AM
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*How you think. Unless you believe you know what all men in the world think, which in the medical field we would classify as a delusional belief.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 08:32 AM
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So you think you know my exes’ inner thoughts better than I do. 😂 Love that for you! And btw, “getting laid” has nothing to do with it. Sex comes after marriage in my worldview. It’s not payback for taking me out to dinner.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 07:00 AM
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You’ve offered one explanation why guys pay. You’re basically saying that guys never pay out of a genuine joy of being generous, only a begrudging sense of obligation. So basically, in your perspective, guys are going to pay because it’s what they have to do, and women should feel guilty about it? Or what exactly do you propose I do differently? I feel no guilt over allowing someone to be generous to me when they have repeatedly said THEY WANT TO. And if that upsets you, I’m sorry. It doesn’t up…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 06:47 AM
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Fact is, as a millennial woman, no guy has ever wanted me to pay for myself. I have at times asked/offered to pay but generally from basically every man I have dated, the vibe I get is that they would be embarrassed to let me pay. One time I split the check because a guy was in the bathroom when it came and I didn’t want to assume. Later he told me, “I didn’t like that, I would have rather paid for you.” This is my reality as a woman, that men WANT to pay, as a masculine thing. I’m not out here …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 06:13 AM
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Everyone has value as a person, let’s just get that out of the way. I think a lot of the problems in our society stem from people not respecting their own inherent dignity and the dignity of others. Second, vocal and provocative people on the internet do not speak for the majority. I suspect they are either actual outliers or just rage baiting, like little children who know that behaving inappropriately will generate attention and engagement on their platform. I’m a younger millennial with a tra…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/23 04:14 AM
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Define transaction. Are you saying that every interaction between two people is either altruistic or transactional? If so, how would you characterize friendship? Is it altruistic, transactional, or something else?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/23 12:40 PM
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Really, you need to stop overstating what I said. I made no absolute statements in my reply. Not everyone is going to be financially successful, even if they work hard. Many eventually will, if they work not only harder but smarter and more creatively. There is always an element of luck and chance. And there are people caught in a cycle of poverty, but you see a distinct difference in cultures that understand the value of education vs. those that don’t. You see all sorts of examples of poor 1st …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/23 12:03 PM
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Lol. Considering what I’ve seen your comment is unsurprising. As they say, when all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. I never contradicted myself. I said I have a certain standard for men. I want them to value and exhibit the same types of gender neutral positive character qualities I exhibit and value, except in a man’s body with the male presentation of those traits: honesty, work ethic, critical thinking, sociability, good with kids, faith, etc. I also said I am not ranking …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/23 11:49 AM
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No, I never said it is an absolute rule. But people who make good choices DO get the internal satisfaction and confidence of being proud of themselves. Over time, you do reap what you sow, to a varying extent. My siblings and I grew up in a family that made about 30-40k per year and lost one of our parents growing up. Raised by single mom. Every one of us graduated from college, 3/4 from grad school as well. I’ve been financially independent since age 17 and worked my tail off to get a full ride…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/23 10:34 AM
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Oh boy. Pardon my saying this but this isn’t our first encounter on here, and I regularly notice your username because half the time I read a comment on here that is just next level salty, I then see it’s from you. I recall something about you calling me a nasty person because I worked in the medical field (???) So just to preface, not likely we are going to find common ground. There are a lot of logical leaps in your response. We agree that women like confidence. But somehow you go straight to …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/23 09:30 AM
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I think the point being that charisma and confidence often go hand and hand but are actually two separate traits. I’m not likely to pursue a long term relationship with someone who is totally lacking in either. I don’t need to be entertained, I just need someone who’s contributing relatively equally to the dialogue/excitement/interest in the relationship. But yeah I would never be in a relationship with someone who was boring or lacked original/creative thoughts.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/23 08:17 AM
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Yes, but why is that relevant? Do I need to establish exactly what degree of poor self image is a deal breaker? Also, there is a difference between shy/reserved and having bad energy. I don’t want to be in a relationship with someone whose head is full of predominately negative, pessimistic, angry, or self-deprecating thoughts. That’s basically what I was trying to clarify. Being slightly socially inept without a terrible inner dialogue is far less problematic/unattractive to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/23 07:42 AM
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Exactly. This sub is full of many unhappy people who don’t seem to derive intrinsic joy from relationships and essentially wish they could obtain specific benefits (mainly sex) without going through the motions of an emotional relationship. Essentially, mentally unhealthy people who don’t seem to understand that their dissatisfaction with the world could be resolved if they took pleasure from and found value in emotional connection. A relationship involves practical contributions made by both pa…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/23 07:11 AM
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If you don’t value the things a woman brings to a relationship, don’t date her. If you think women in general have no value, don’t date women. Simple as that. But as we all know, and as this sub demonstrates, men do want women, meaning they do think women have value. Some men just want women the way you want a high performing car or quality machine, and unfortunately for them, you can’t have the separate the person from the things you can extort out of them. They are not interested in the social…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/23 07:03 AM
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If makeup adds 10 points to every woman’s overall score (gosh I hate how superficial this sub is), then the most attractive women before makeup are still the most attractive women after makeup. And if looks are all that matters and no man use makeup, then the pecking order stays the same. It’s not “men who are a 7 match with women who are a 7.” It’s that men and women who are 70th percentile in looks match with each other. And if all women use makeup to their best advantage, a woman’s percentile…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/23 05:08 AM
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I think I agree with the general sentiment that people need to be accountable for making dumb decisions in relationships. The difficulty comes in assessing whether they did know or could/should have known that a guy was a complete dud. Absolutely women have a responsibility to read a guy and be realistic about what his intentions towards them are likely to be. But not everyone has as much exposure to or savviness about the dark side of human nature. But if the implication is - instead of these r…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/23 04:43 AM
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Well yeah, if you’re an average person in most respects and are holding out for a supermodel, it’s probably time for a reality check. However there are all sorts of reasons why people stay single. For example, particular religious beliefs where that person has to align with you on that, but then also must be mutual physical attraction, personality compatibility, etc. I live in the southern US. I cannot tell you how many “good ol country boys” I run across on the apps. If that were my type, I’d h…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/23 04:54 AM
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Men with dark triad traits are over represented here in the redpill/Manosphere communities. I think it’s a combination of seeing the world not as it is but as we are - we all have a perception that is based on our internal experience of our own nature - and like attracting like. Manipulative people find it easy to believe that the opposite sex is manipulative, because they think that way themselves and likely attract similar personalities who reinforce that belief and do manipulate in return. Da…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 07:29 PM
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So to be clear, are you saying that in a relationship between a “desirable” man and a “desirable” woman, the man is the one causing the chaos?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 07:23 PM
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If I am attracted to someone in the first place, it’s because they have multiple good qualities and therefore have options. No, I wouldn’t want someone to leave a relationship for me- that indicates they have a wandering eye which is the opposite of what I want in a relationship. Being chosen by a good person is flattering enough to the ego.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 01:08 PM
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I’m just saying, it doesn’t make me see him as lesser. It just puts the ball in my court. If I already liked him, that just means I get to confidently express my own feelings. If I don’t feel good about the connection, I’ll probably be upfront about that too.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 06:05 AM
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Or, it could mean that out of all the women he could have pursued, he chose her. You can have options and choose to ignore them to pursue one person. As a woman, if a guy i like chooses me, that strengthens and solidifies my feelings about him.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 05:36 AM
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If you bring a lot to the table, being direct actually helps you. I LOVE when a man I want to be with is direct and doesn’t play games.. that’s how all of my relationships have progressed. My roommate who’s early 30s is in a great relationship with a guy who is very responsible, established, has his stuff together, and told her he wanted to focus on her exclusively after the first date. If you are being direct and getting rejected, it is because the woman doesn’t want to be in a relationship wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 05:33 AM
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So hypothetically, 60% of young women are liberal and 40% more conservative politically. And make that 30% liberal and 70% conservative for young men (all made up stats). Let’s assume that only a small percentage of liberals are churchgoers - maybe 10%. In my experience, it is much more common to be a nonreligious conservative than it is to be a religious liberal. So likely what is going on is that a higher percentage of conservative women are churchgoers and conservative agnostic or unaffiliate…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 03:19 PM
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I fully agree! It would be preaching to the choir but I think you’d find this article by a writer named Kirk Durston very interesting. https://www.kirkdurston.com/blog/unwin?format=amp It explains exactly how a loss of morality, specifically sexually, degrades society. In about 3 generations of poor sexual choices and promiscuity, the bedrock of society is lost and it becomes weakened and quickly overtaken by a society with a stronger sexual ethic and therefore a stronger societal structure. Thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 08:36 PM
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Completely respect that. I had female friends who felt the same way about their husbands being virgins. While I don’t personally find it a huge deal, especially in someone who was not a Christian (since premarital sex is pretty standard in our society), I think it’s completely fair to want a partner who meets your standards. Whether that’s taking equally good care of their health, etc. But on this forum many do argue a double standard where men are entitled to demand purity while being pretty pr…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 08:06 PM
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It’s a mixture of both I’m sure. Depends on whether they were following Jesus the whole time, converted later, etc. A huge part of Christianity is the idea that sins can be forgiven and covered over, and as a Christian I welcome everyone. Obviously that doesn’t change whether a person is a virgin or not, and if that is an absolute dating dealbreaker for you, no one will question you (although you should probably hold yourself to the same standard you expect, whatever that is). But is repentance …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 07:49 PM
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My point was not really in response to anything about people traveling to find a partner. If that’s what you feel the need to do, no one is going to stop you. But obviously if you can find someone whose culture and location are more similar it’s easier to keep the whole extended family together, and for a lot of people that’s important. It hasn’t been easy for me to find a husband here either, at least in the sense of someone who would be a good fit in terms of lifestyle, values, mutual attracti…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 07:43 PM
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I looked at the studies you linked. When you say “young men outnumber women at younger ages,” the study you linked says that is only the case with people born after 2000. I was born in the early 90s so that data does not apply to my peer group. The increasingly non-churchgoing women of Gen Z have not yet reached their 30s and had a “come to Jesus” so your point does not apply. The women in my generation who are now 30 were not less religious than men when all of us were in our 20s - this is a ne…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 07:34 PM
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Oh really? I can only speak to my own branch of Christianity. Is that more similar to Catholicism?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 07:29 PM
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Agree! It’s more an observation that the type of women that fit those criteria are a lot more common in religious circles. Also, religion gives people an identity and a worldview so they aren’t generally as inclined to need to seek validation/identity in other, less traditional ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 07:28 PM
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Yeah, this is true. I don’t really suggest someone swoop in and snag a Christian. Faith should be a point of unity in a relationship. But maybe if guys want a traditional woman, they may realize that a lot of times this is based in certain faith principles and look into that for themselves. The dating market is slim but definitely not nonexistent in your late 20s and 30s.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 01:38 PM
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Thank you for this valuable contribution to the discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 01:35 PM
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Let me put it to you this way. Not all of my friends saved their virginity for marriage. The majority of those who didn’t only slept with the person they eventually married. There may have been some who were more promiscuous, but not people in my inner circle. But I know for a fact that many, including myself, are practicing what they preach, well into and beyond their 20s. I don’t know anyone outside the church who is saving themselves for marriage or marrying as a virgin. They exist I’m sure b…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 01:33 PM
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Well I guess it depends where you go to church. I’ve been in churches of Christ, and yes, as a 30 year old the vast majority of men my age are married. Singles retreats across the country within this particular branch of the church of Christ have a much higher ratio of single women to single men.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 01:24 PM
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I’m genuinely sorry you experienced that. And I have definitely seen that pattern play out.. often times Christians marry young and haven’t fully finished coming into who they are as adults, and then it turns out they weren’t actually into Christianity after all and divorce ensues. Nothing is 100% and yes people can change. Also the church is made up of a combination of genuine and insincere Christians. But as far as people who have the traditional values that are praised by men on forums like t…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 01:15 PM
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Thank you! That’s very helpful, I’ll edit it :)
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 06:22 AM
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Honestly, this. I’m a Christian woman, and let me tell you, Christian men have it easy because they are outnumbered. The Christian woman is basically in most ways what redpill dudes want. But redpill men are not generally interested in servant-leadership mindset, or exhibiting the humble, kind, strength-under-control example of Jesus. Also they are not about to give up fornication or any other vices just because Jesus said so. Can’t have your cake eat it too.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 04:28 AM
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Hear hear! Love to see people with actual real world experience on the subject share their thoughts. Quite a few frequenters here are just here to share opinions rather than learn anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 01:51 AM
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Nah, just be assertive and masculine. There are other options in between pushover and potential serial killer.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/23 01:35 PM
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I’m confused.. I was agreeing with you and saying that there was a double standard in macone235’s post. Maybe you thought I was the same person you had replied to?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 01:21 AM
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The double think is something else with this one. What a novel concept that BOTH genders should treat the other respectfully and not deceitfully.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 10:32 PM
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I said nothing about a woman stealing a man’s wallet. This post is about men who consent to pay, voluntarily, for a woman’s meal under the false impression that she is actually interested in him. So by your reasoning, that man is not entitled to the woman being honest about her intentions/lack of genuine interest and as long as he willingly paid, he has nothing to complain about. Just like by your reasoning, the woman who put out has nothing to complain about when the guy she thought wanted to d…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 08:57 PM
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You don’t like the point I made, which was logical. Your reply was illogical. No, no one is entitled to a relationship. I never said that. They are entitled to honesty. It is wrong to obtain sex with the implication of future romantic progression. It is wrong to obtain a free meal with the implication of future romantic progression.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 08:20 PM
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Not an equal transaction according to red pill ideas in which casual sex deceases a woman’s worth and increases a man’s worth. Or biology - sex is way riskier for a woman because of the risk of pregnancy. So yes it’s absolutely wrong for a man to engage in that sort of behavior if the woman is not 100% on board with never hearing from him again. If he implies commitment beyond a hook up, then gets sex and ghosts afterwards, that’s parallel to a woman using a man for a free meal. In fact it’s wor…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 07:23 PM
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I guess it depends, but still unless a person has severe social anxiety, it shouldn’t be too much of a negative to have to be the pursuer/initiator. I mean, I’ve used the app bumble in the past couple years and I’m always the one starting the conversations and what not. I just don’t fully see how being the one in the driver’s seat is a bad thing. Do you wish you could be passive as a man and women would just come to you? I’m not a man but having talked to guys and having brothers I know they enj…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/23 10:36 PM
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Oh okay! Yeah I agree that the desire to be the object of pursuit is a feminine kind of energy
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/23 09:28 PM
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I didn’t use the word privilege. I would say privilege is being born in a wealthy family, being blessed with really good genes, great social circle, etc. Do you actually believe that babies who are born female are inherently more fortunate than babies born male? I just see the genders as different, and each have different advantages and disadvantages. Being a woman means you typically have less control over who approaches you. You can flirt/encourage, but generally you won’t help your case by pu…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/23 08:44 PM
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I hear you. My main thought after reading your comment is that the big question is, who defines the standards for ideal male and female behavior. I’m a Christian so I believe in a number of things that diverge from redpill. I hold to universal standards of no promiscuity, no gluttony, stewarding one’s body, males leading in church and families (albeit in a kind way with love for their wives), faithfulness to one’s spouse, charity, concern for others above oneself, and innumerable other character…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/23 08:27 PM
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100% agree! If you check my other comments you’ll see I clarified that. I wrote the above comment rather sloppily. OP set up the post rather confusingly by mixing a truth (jealousy in men is unattractive) with an error (because jealousy is feminine). Jealousy/victim mentality is just a universally unbecoming way of thinking.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/23 07:35 PM
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I’m not sure I follow you 100% in your second sentence. I don’t consider it a double standard to expect different things of men/women. But I certainly expect all people to behave with good character in the ways that are fitting for their roles in society. Lots of character traits like honesty, self-control, patience, faithfulness, are important for men and women equally. I’m definitely an idealist and would like to live in a world where everyone holds themselves to a very high standard of morali…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/23 07:30 PM
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No it goes both ways! I acknowledged your same sentiment in a separate comment. No need to assume I wouldn’t hold the reverse true as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/23 06:58 PM
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I wrote a longer comment to another reply to my above comment. Long story short, jealousy is not inherently feminine. It’s universally unattractive in men or women, along with complaining, negativity, victim mentality, etc. The discussion of feminine traits being unbecoming on straight men is a separate discussion. (My comment above was on this topic.) Unattractive personality traits are unattractive on everyone!
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/23 06:57 PM
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Let me give you an example: I like dresses on women. I like wearing dresses as a woman. I would find a man repulsive if he were wearing a dress. That’s completely reasonable. It’s not misandry or a double standard to dislike feminine qualities in a man. I also like masculine qualities in men, while disliking some of those masculine traits when in women. Again, that doesn’t make me a misogynist. It’s reasonable to prefer people to stick with their gender’s norms. Now another example. I understand…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/23 06:51 PM
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This is a study of adolescents only, and specifically Spanish adolescents. So the results only generalize to the population studied. If you want to make generalizations about people older than teenagers, our people who aren’t Spanish, you’d need another study involving that group as the population studied. This honestly isn’t a topic that lends itself to accurate scientific study anyway. Too many soft social factors to accurately control for. It’s not as easily studied as a new drug or something…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/23 05:51 PM
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You didn’t cite any research
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/23 05:33 PM
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You’re welcome to your opinion :)
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/23 05:31 PM
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Bold of you to assume that, but we weren’t. And I quickly sensed that something was off with him and cut things off when that became clear, so at least for me I feel great about my intuition. Chivalry and traditional values are generally a positive for most women unless they are more pointedly feminist. Misogyny is only attractive to women with low self esteem or similar issues. Of course some people are attracted to abusive traits and mindsets, but not healthy people.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/23 04:51 PM
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For relationships to work, someone has to initiate that and be the one to drive things in a certain direction. For straight relationships, that’s going to be the man 99% of the time - the one with a higher sex drive, more assertiveness, and more leadership qualities. A relationship of 50/50 behavior is not attractive. You are free to dislike the idea that women get to sit there and be pursued, but this is how straight relationships have historically worked. The confidence of a guy to pursue is a…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/23 03:51 PM
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Your worldview on masculinity absolutely impacts women’s attraction to you. “Well i don’t tell them what I think.” Yes, you do. In more subtle ways that women can pick up on. The whole reason I got on this sub was to learn more about redpill after going out of a situationship with a guy who thought that way. Did he tell me that? Absolutely not. In fact he went above and beyond lying about how he used to be a feminist and all sorts of stuff. He claimed to be moderate but he was so shady and gave …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/23 03:30 PM
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You can’t actually believe that logic. OP is calling out a certain mindset as not masculine. OP is saying it’s not inherently icky, it’s icky coming from a man. Lots of feminine attitudes and behaviors, when done by a man, are repulsive to straight women. We don’t hate ourselves and other women, we just are sexually attracted by the opposite. That has nothing to do with misogyny. Edited to add: I disagree with OP that the attitude being discussed is “feminine.” It’s just a bad attitude and there…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/23 03:14 PM
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Imagine thinking that the only reason to agree with someone is to seduce them 😂 and on Reddit? A worldwide forum where no one knows anyone and probably lives half a world away? Deep in delulu.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/23 07:46 PM
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Totally respect that take. Depending on what one believes about our origin as humankind, it’s obvious that men have higher sex drives and that’s not an inherently bad thing no matter what anyone says. The main point to agree on is that instinct isn’t a justification for bad behavior, and I think that point can get lost in discussions of why we are wired a particular way.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/23 08:11 PM
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And how does your belief about this inform your beliefs about how we should act today? When I used the word designed, I have a different perspective in mind.. the idea that the human organism was built/created by someone who understands how it works best, and who explained to early society a moral code which many people today think of as archaic, but when followed produces a stable society with maximized happiness and positive outcomes for the whole group. What I’ve noticed is that people in thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/23 01:52 PM
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So by that reasoning, why should men engage in something intimate so casually? Does sex become less intimate when a man is involved? I agree with your point that sex is intimate. But if the act itself - which involves 2 people - it’s intimate, it is intimate for both of them, not just the woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/23 01:41 AM
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Shhh.. only confirmation bias allowed here ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/23 01:36 AM
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Almost like we weren’t designed for casual sex. Maybe if casual sex isn’t good for women, then men shouldn’t engage with women in casual sexual encounters. If women AND men practiced chastity perfectly (hear me out): no STDs, no children born out of wedlock, drastically lower rates of fatherless children, fewer and less severe heartbreaks for women, and increased ability of women to bind to the men they actually marry. A stronger society with fewer broken and blended families. People forget it a…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/23 01:32 AM
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You basically just repeated yourself without absorbing any of the points I made. You also made several unverified statements about what all women want. A) women are not a monolith - they don’t all want the same thing. B) you’re not even a women. Classic redpill thinking. I am a woman. I do not seek out or want a relationship like the one you describe. All of my relationships have involved mutual respect. Break ups occurred for reasons of compatibility/lifestyle factors, not loss of attraction. A…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 11:37 AM
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OP is just reasoning in circles. Bless him.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 04:27 AM
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What you are describing is simply a dynamic in which the man has the advantage or the upper hand. I find it so revealing that you say in as many words “this is better for everyone.” How is it better for the woman? It’s better to be in a relationship with someone who you perceive as being out of your league, and who, should they decide to, could easily discard you and move on? (As you spelled out in comments below.) No my friend, that dynamic isn’t healthy. Healthy is where, due to individual pre…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 04:23 AM
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It’s called social skills. Some people call it reading the room. If you see a girl you want to approach, a light, friendly conversation starter is fine. If she’s interested, she’ll pass the ball back and you get the green light to keep talking to her and maybe try to ask her out or get her number. What you DON’T do is walk up to a woman and straight up say, hey you’re beautiful, I’d like to take you out on a date. Not gonna go well 98% of the time. Start neutral/friendly. Proceed if you get the …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 03:20 PM
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Are you able to grasp that for some people, it turns them on to know that their partner cares? Or are you only able to conceive of your own personal experience where sex drive operates independently of how much affection you are shown? Not everyone is wired like you.. theory of mind 101. And btw - No one is talking about trading affection for sex or vice versa; they're talking about affection being one necessary prerequisite for sexual desire on any given occasion. But feel free to misunderstand…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/23 01:09 AM
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Jesus come quickly 💀 they out here calling robots “partners”
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/23 03:47 AM
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I don’t know why anyone finds this significant. People have been “marrying” trees and cars and cartoon characters for years.. but they are simply anomalies for internet clickbait. anyone who gets relational fulfillment from a non living object is a freak, I’m sorry. No one with real life experience could think this will have any impact on the behavior of socially well-adjusted people. If freaks want to live in a bizarre way, that doesn’t directly impact me.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/23 03:12 AM
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Your standards are fine. But if when you’re 40, you’re not willing to date a slim, attractive, childless woman who is 32 and not promiscuous - just because she’s over 30 - that’s maybe a tad unreasonable. This is about the claim that all women over 30 are universally worthless. Which is absurd. A 31 year old dating me when I was 29 is no different than the same guy at 32 dating me when I’m 30.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/23 02:42 AM
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That’s the point. A machine provides next to nothing of the experience of being in a relationship with a person. And it won’t replace that in any meaningful way. Literally I think a person would have to be autistic and not understand human relationships to express the opinion you are expressing here.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/23 12:35 AM
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Thank you! I feel like I’m taking crazy pills reading this thread 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/23 12:32 AM
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Everyone who is insane enough to think that a robot is an adequate replacement for a human being will be removed from the dating pool and subsequently, from the gene pool. As they should be. Overall I imagine the impact will be very small but positive, streamlining the process for the rest of us normal people. This is my honest opinion but I can barely take these posts seriously 😂 how disconnected from reality do you have to be to think this is going to turn dating upside down?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/23 12:30 AM
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That’s the point. Unfortunately, as a general rule, the average person is not willing to do profitable work on themselves without some reward. If almost all women wanted to hook up with men just as much as men want to hook up with them, men would have one less incentive to better themselves. If there is actually a reward for self-development, education, and financial stability - that women are willing to have you as a partner - more men will do that. And that’s beneficial for men individually, t…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/23 04:19 AM
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Tell me you’re ignorant without telling me. There are similarities between all humans as well as vast differences. Some humans operate out of self interest, others who have ascended beyond base animal instinct put a greater emphasis on altruism. This is not debatable. If you can wrap your mind around the idea of people having different personalities, as you stated, then you should be able to understand differing levels of selfishness, which is a personality trait. Also, no one is here to deny th…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/23 12:41 AM
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Well no, all humans don’t work the same way. (Common logical error in this redpill/purple pill space.) There are different degrees of general good will towards others. If you don’t believe it’s possible to do good to others and enjoy the benefit that brings them, without wanting anything in return, you are missing out on one of the best feelings there is. I’m sorry you don’t know this innately from your own experience of being human. I’m human too and have my own internal experience which is dif…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/23 11:30 PM
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Everyone has standards for how they treat others and expect to be treated. In many ways a person is motivated to treat someone well out of love for them - or at least they should be - rather than the actions being a substitute for love, or the entire substance of the relationship. Conditions or standards are different than something being “transactional.” Transactional is what happens between an escort and the person who hires her. Said better, yes each person gets something out of the relations…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/23 11:12 PM
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Such black and white thinking. There can be requirements on who to enter a relationship with AND then, after getting to know someone who meets those criteria, a deep sense of care and a feeling that now that you know this person, you want them specifically and no one else. Visiting this sub is like realizing that there are people all around me who don’t understand what it means to be human. Yeah, everything is transactional to you if you’re a narcissist, sociopath, or other flavor of bad person.…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/23 10:33 PM
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That’s a very valid point! In retrospect, as a woman, even though I’ve grown and developed my own perspectives that are slightly different, I’m glad my parents taught me the importance of not having premarital sex. Outside of religion which I know not everyone will agree on, it saves so much disappointment and heartache. I’m not worried that I’m somehow “broken” for not having hooked up with a certain number of people or having a certain amount of sexual experience. When I meet the right person,…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 10:55 PM
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I completely agree with you OP. People seem to forget that the process of creating a single mother involves 2 people. A man who runs around chaotically pursuing sexual pleasure attempting to do so with a number of women he has no intent of staying with long term is absolutely contributing to the problem of broken families, as well as breaking hearts and affecting a woman’s ability to have healthy relationships down the line. Yes a man’s biology is going to motivate him to sleep around, but his m…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 07:33 PM
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Religion makes claims that can’t be verified by science. You have a faith that starts with the premise “nothing that is not explained by natural phenomena is or can be real.” That’s fine, but it is still your unproven belief that nothing outside of science exists. So basically, if religion is true, science wouldn’t be expected to be able to prove it. Wrong tool for the job. But we are wayyy off topic here.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 06:13 PM
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Okay you articulated that so well. Like have you never been in love before? Have you never felt that it has to be her/him and no one else would do? Because if not I’m concerned for you. It makes sense that anyone dealing with sociopathy would gravitate towards redpill as a way of getting a partner from an intellectual/game approach since they have no true emotions to draw them towards another person. I would not be the slightest bit surprised if this guy I dated was a bit of a sociopath. Definit…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 05:12 PM
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We can agree to disagree on that
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 05:05 PM
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To be fair, this is far more a movie about the experience of being a woman.. it’s not meant to give a 50/50 perspective. It wasn’t a documentary and it wouldn’t have made sense to do a long spiel on men’s issues. How could America Ferrara’s character have spoken personally on the experience of being a man? I think it’s a movie that can be taken different ways by different people.. but I think it’s definitely more humorous whereas to some people it’s just such a serious topic that they can’t look…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 11:14 AM
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Ohhhhh. Thanks haha. Redpiller may not be the accurate term
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 10:31 AM
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What did you think the Barbie movie was saying? To me it was just a commentary on how we don’t really understand what it’s like to be the opposite sex, and no one wants to feel like an accessory.. everyone should matter. Barbie finally experienced the way that Ken felt when they traveled to the real world. Honestly I thought it was a great message, poignant, and low key hilarious. Like the way Ken thought patriarchy had something to do with horses. Neither of us will ever fully understand the op…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 10:14 AM
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I was researching redpill and listening to some dude on YouTube who has a talk show and he kept talking about “solving your reproductive problem.” It’s just such a weird terminology. Do men even care that much about reproducing with a woman they’re just having a ONS with?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 10:08 AM
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Ha, seriously? Like they’ve reached the goal so nothing else matters? Premarital sex is against my religion so I’ve never had to worry about that whole dynamic
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 10:05 AM
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That is so interesting. It makes sense in a way. I’ve had some very negative experiences in online dating with people who are just absolutely cruel and have no humanity.. and I honestly feel like I’m a worse person as a result of experiencing that type of abuse. So it makes perfect sense that a series of blows like that would make a man gravitate towards something that he feels gives him more power and control, something to minimize his chances of being hurt.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 09:56 AM
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I’m in Two X and it’s mostly just women’s topics that have nothing to do with men. Now I’ve been in the group FDS when someone on Reddit messaged me and was like, hey, check out this sub. It didn’t take long at all before I realized these people are kinda ruthless and messed up in the head, and I left quickly. I don’t want a man to spend money on dinner when we can get coffee and learn about each other just as well. But if I can see that immediately about a sub like FDS, men should equally be ab…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 09:52 AM
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Yeah, that’s the part of redpill I think is probably beneficial.. the part that’s basically just social/relational skills. Because what attracts women isn’t what attracts men. (I.e. muscle pics in the mirror aren’t as attractive because I’m not just trying to assess a guy’s physique, I’d rather see his personality) If a guy just wants a bunch of short term relationships, then learning about average women’s behavior could be beneficial. But if you want to build a relationship with a specific woma…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 08:03 AM
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What are terps? Still learning the terminology around here
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 07:52 AM
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So, hurt people hurt people.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 12:42 AM
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That’s my point. If someone is in Redpill mentality, they are relating to everyone in that sense. They aren’t going to be a different person just because their partner is not equally attempting to control/manipulate things. “Oh honey, I realize you are sweet and sincere and so I’m just going to backpedal on all of my deeply engrained ideas.” It’s approaching everyone with the intent to control. And my question was about people who are sincere, not people who are secretly “extra manipulative.”
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 10:40 PM
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He was SO salty about the whole thing. Blamed it entirely on me when I was basically forced to break up with him because he was a pathological liar. Maybe.. mayyybe that’s why you’ve had a hard time maintaining a successful relationship with a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 10:31 PM
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How would you expect it to change?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 10:29 PM
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Yeah that’s the vibe I’ve gotten. Not “equal but different,” rather “unequal in every way.” The guy I spoke of above literally liked a tweet saying “men are better than women in every way.” Hard to comprehend.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 10:28 PM
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Hm. I agree that there is a spectrum of what could be described as manipulation. But speaking of types of manipulation that are underhanded or involve deceit, it might be more useful to revisit the questions with that in mind. A woman flirting with a man when there’s reciprocal interest may be encouraging him to make a move, but she’s not deceiving him or trying to force him to do something he doesn’t want to. If he’s not interested he won’t engage. That’s a very different scenario from deceivin…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 10:26 PM
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Lol. No and n/a, why is that relevant?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 10:13 PM
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Mmm. So if a woman believed that manipulation was wrong and all people should treat each other with straightforward decency and respect and strived to live that way herself, what would it look like if she got into a relationship with a Redpiller? Should someone in RP look for someone equally calculating so that the relationship is balanced?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 10:06 PM
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Right.. it’s like this thinking that by simply analyzing at a distance, you can figure out and conquer a person like a difficult level of a video game. And the statements about “all women,” who could ever take that seriously? People are unique individuals and nothing is absolute like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 10:04 PM
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That’s the face value impression I’ve gotten, but I wanted to get feedback from those who identify as Redpill. And agreed! Women can absolutely be manipulative too.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 10:02 PM
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That presumes that it’s only worth doing something if it’s directly beneficial to you. In which case, our worldview diverges at a higher level than this discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 10:00 PM
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Absolutely not. I’ve recently become aware of the subtlety and prevalence of manipulation and consider it an immoral way to relate to people. Sometimes it’s a fine line, but misrepresenting yourself to influence another’s behavior is way over that line. But thank you for contributing to the conversation! I’m very intrigued to see how many people think manipulation is okay.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 09:59 PM
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Lol. Definitely not. It was interesting talking to him intellectually and I wanted to see it through, but he clearly showed himself to be a sketchy individual and so I broke it off. But he was definitely more invested and tried to push for exclusivity. But thank you for the replies! I’m very interested to compile all the feedback. In my mind, redpill is just one of many things I’ve run into and found to be harmful, with the underlying idea being that of manipulating another person’s behavior and…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 09:53 PM
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I love it! Not even pretending to be a decent person. Own that abusive behavior 💪🏻
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 09:48 PM
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Yeah I think that’s it. I have brothers, I know guys are naturally competitive. But at some point you have to grow up and look at relationships at something more than a game with an object to be possessed and controlled if you’re “successful.”
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 09:46 PM
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I’m not a man.. did you read the post? Also your first sentence is completely pretentious. That in no way affects the topic I’m bringing up for discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 09:45 PM
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Okay yeah that’s helpful feedback. It’s confirming that people who buy into redpill desire not to be mistreated anymore, but to mistreat others now instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 09:36 PM
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That’s what I’m saying. He was suggesting we watch the movie while liking tweets online from people who apparently found it highly offensive. The whole point of my post is that he was giving me one impression while secretly holding a completely different opinion. That became clear once I found his Twitter after breaking things off.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 09:31 PM
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What are you talking to them about? Sounds like you're just dating bad listeners. Or you're just dating women who aren't naturally curious. I have learned all sorts of things about areas of interest I didn't know about from dating different guys and engaging them on their various soapboxes. This is just a social skills issue, not really a gender issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/23 06:21 PM
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“Because I am shallow, and I know that about myself, I believe that most other people are also equally shallow.” We do not see the world as it is, we see it as we are.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/23 04:38 PM
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Well, you don’t hear much in Red Pill ideology about the women who want to date within 5 years of their own age. Instead lots of dogma about how a man’s attractiveness to young women only increases with age. Probably relevant for you to have some idea of how few women are actually interested in an age gap relationship!
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/23 04:13 PM
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Absolutely agree that statistically women have more ready emotional responses than men. But I don’t see it as a spectrum from logic on one end to emotion on the other. They are just different languages: on one hand the language of pure logic and reason and on the other the language of understanding other’s emotions and the soft skills/social skills of interpersonal interactions. You can speak either or both of these languages with any degree of proficiency. I strive to be highly logical and high…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 11:56 PM
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As a woman, when my ex trusted me enough early on to share something personal and vulnerable with me, that was when I fell in love with him. I fall in love with a guy’s heart. Things didn’t work out between us but I still miss him and if it was up to me we would still be together. I want to see someone for who they are on the inside.. until then something is missing and I won’t be ready for a relationship with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 09:54 PM
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Speaking for myself and the women I know who otherwise fit the type of criteria you’re describing, I don’t know a single one interested in ENM. There is not a man on earth I would want to share with another woman, and I mean that unequivocally. So essentially your standards are that the woman has to be your definition of perfect and ALSO be okay with you sleeping with any other women of your choosing. That’s not a standard so much as a caveat that you can be as unfaithful to her as you please. Y…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 06:33 PM
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This is somewhat of a self-fulfilling prophecy. If you hold views like this, it’s going to be a very select group of low IQ women who make up your pool of potential relationship partners. And some guys probably like the dynamic of feeling smart by comparison so it works for them. Obviously women like you describe exist, it’s just far from generally true of all women.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 06:25 PM
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Okay well feel free to answer my original question to you once you wrap your brain around how my comment is related to the OP. But I’m pretty sure you just don’t like the question ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 06:15 PM
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If you are unable to both read and mentally process my comment, then you probably lack the basic skills needed to have a discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 06:10 PM
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It’s a false dichotomy. A relationship can be exciting in ways other than “does or doesn’t this person like me.” A woman who has self worth and has experienced both healthier and less healthy dynamics is looking for a man who makes her feel valued, not insecure. All my past relationships have been with men who made me feel unquestioningly valued. They weren’t liberal or feminists and had lots of masculine energy, but definitely weren’t redpill. My last almost relationship stayed a situationship …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 06:05 PM
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The “game” that is very much still available and effective for men who think of themselves as average is to show genuine, masculine energy in pursuing the one woman they are currently most interested in. As a woman, as long as a person has passed the barriers of decent looking, responsible, and mentally stable, their interest in me will determine how much I invest in our connection.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 05:53 PM
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Here’s a question for you, if a woman receives a romantic offer of some kind from a man and is not interested, is she therefore obligated because of an action HE took to give him an honest response and roll the dice on an adverse reaction, anything from him pleading, harassing her, calling her a derogatory term, or something else? And if you believe she is obligated to do so, please explain why.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 05:43 PM
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