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| 4 | I was raped by a woman who is now claiming to be pregnant.Were any of her statements about you not being believed or any of her threats sent via text? If so, get documentation from your service provider and provide those to police when you file your report. If you are concerned about not being believed, contact one of the groups mentioned in this comment and ask them to help you. Also be aware, if you're in the US, you have the right to demand a paternity test before anything can be imposed on you. Obviously if she's lying about being pregnant, that'll… | /r/MensRights | 12/09/23 10:09 AM |
| 1 | A women I spoke to briefly on tinder has been harassing me and my workYou can probably file a stalking/harassment complaint based on the behavior you have described, and you should be able to argue that her complaint on your license is fraudulent because you did not have a patient/client relationship. If you're in the US, the federal statute on stalking/harassment says that it's considered stalking if a person in the US engages in a course of conduct with intent to harass that could be reasonably expected to cause that person substantial emotional distress, they'r… | /r/MensRights | 28/08/23 08:37 PM |
| 4 | What do you think about this study where the only thing that seems to decrease the sentencing disparity between the sexes is to have more female judges?A woman's vulnerability - real or feigned - is often more likely to factor into a man's judgement when exercising authority over her than it will that of another woman. This is not always the case, but often if someone's going to see through a woman's shit, it's another woman. If someone's going to recognize that even real vulnerability doesn't excuse her criminal behavior, it'll often be another woman. Men are so programmed to be gentle with women and treat women like we're special that when a … | /r/MensRights | 23/05/23 02:52 PM |
| 1 | You guys, I need help, I might be losing braincells lolGlad to share! | /r/MensRights | 23/05/23 02:44 PM |
| 1 | Need serious advice: Victim of domestic violence and dealing with my schools Title IX coordinatorYou should get a lawyer, yes. You should do that right away. Gather all of the documentation you have access to and list all of the documentation that exists that you can't obtain, and make sure your attorney has that information. Be 100% truthful with your attorney about everything. Never lie to your lawyer. They can't help you if you withhold information. Do not talk to the Title IX coordinator any further until your lawyer says you should. Do not have any further contact with this woman. Do n… | /r/MensRights | 23/05/23 03:19 AM |
| 1 | You guys, I need help, I might be losing braincells lolSend her this. Tell her it's written by a woman. Just be aware she might not like talking to you any more after she reads it. | /r/MensRights | 23/05/23 03:08 AM |
| 5 | The Notion Of RespectMost of the problem is that most women don't understand respect and are actually demanding veneration, but calling it "respect."... | /r/MensRights | 23/05/23 02:58 AM |
| 1 | [FL] Custody Help1) Get in touch with a custody lawyer before this goes any further. Like, ASAP. Unmarried fathers have the hardest time getting even visitation, much less custody. It doesn't mean you can't, but it does mean you need to get your ducks in a row and you don't have any time to waste. 2) Read this https://www.floridahealth.gov/certificates/certificates/birth/Putative_Father/index.html and check with the lawyer you get into contact with to see if you need to register as her child's putative father in… | /r/MensRights | 04/05/23 09:14 AM |
| 1 | Is this article BS? - Why Women Initiate Divorce More Often Than MenThe article is based on a flawed study that considered things like dishwashing and laundry "housework" but ignored tasks men do more, like heavier yardwork, home repairs, automotive repairs, and tasks involving heavy lifting or higher risk. Additionally, whether the couple worked similar hours was measured, but not what kind of jobs. It's one thing to expect the same energy to be put into housework if both partners work the same kind of job, same shift, and on the same days, but if the husband w… | /r/MensRights | 04/05/23 08:58 AM |
| 1 | Neighbour being abused by his girlfriendFind out if your state (or country) has legislation that requires police to make an arrest if they're called to a DV incident, and whether they're required to determine who to arrest based on things like size difference instead of behavior, because if they are, it won't matter who the abuser is. If he's bigger & stronger than she is, he'll be the one getting arrested. In the US these are called primary aggressor policies. If you're in California, contact the National Coalition for Men (http://nc… | /r/MensRights | 04/05/23 08:39 AM |
| 1 | If The Equal Rights Amendment passed would it do go boys?As long as powerful feminist influences like the National Organization for Women exert control over the interpretation of constitutional law and the creation of federal and state law and policy, no amendment, no matter how it's worded, will protect men and boys against discrimination. It will always be interpreted to be applicable only to increase women's and girls' rights, and men's and boys' responsibilities. If law and policy aren't informed by feminism, then a new constitutional amendment wi… | /r/MensRights | 04/05/23 08:07 AM |
| 1 | I’ve been on SMBC & DC reddits I want to come here for insight and truth even if brutal.Thanks for taking everything I've said into consideration. That is a good sign - whether you need a diagnosis or just work, being willing to take that criticism and work with it is a positive step. As to not understanding, I can tell you that a lot of what I've talked about comes from personal experience. It's not something I'm going to describe here but I can tell you that there are some things you don't ever want to have to explain to your kids. "I had you when I wasn't ready to be the best mo… | /r/MensRights | 04/05/23 08:00 AM |
| 1 | False accusation of SA by the schoolThat might make it less likely, but if you're in Canada or the UK you might still have similar rights... only problem is, I don't know as much about their legal systems or their laws. However, you might be able to find similar information by searching students' rights in your country. Generally, if something is funded by taxpayers, they're not allowed to discriminate against you for having a documented medical issue... especially not by trumping up false allegations to use against you. | /r/MensRights | 04/05/23 07:44 AM |
| 1 | Question: I'm a women who is anti feminist is it ok for me to join this group? I don't want anyone to feel I'm invading their space.There have been antifeminist women here since the subreddit's beginning. Just keep an open mind, and you'll be fine. | /r/MensRights | 04/05/23 07:42 AM |
| 7 | I’ve been on SMBC & DC reddits I want to come here for insight and truth even if brutal.Brutal advice from a grandma, stepmom, and sometimes household breadwinner: 1) You absolutely should not willfully subject a child to being raised in a fatherless home. My advice is to love your child before you get pregnant, and enough to not get pregnant unless you can make a relationship work with a man who wants to be your child's father. If you cannot make a relationship work with someone who is a rational, responsible adult, how are you going to handle the child's first rebellious stage du… | /r/MensRights | 02/05/23 09:56 PM |
| 1 | False accusation of SA by the schoolWhile he's mostly dealing with false allegations against university students, you should get into contact with Johnathan Taylor and familiarize yourself with the site where he has a database of lawsuits against schools over due process violations and other issues related to false allegations against students. (https://titleixforall.com/) In regard to your absences, if those are due to a medical condition, know that you have an equal right to use the public education as anyone without your medica… | /r/MensRights | 02/05/23 09:03 PM |
| 1 | After a father uses a recording of mom threatening him during custody exchange to defend himself in court, the local Ohio courts reportedly have prohibited the use of recordings from child custody exchangesCould be. I've seen (or heard of from the men whose cases they ruled on) quite a bit of stupidity. Why else would a judge: Find a guy guilty of domestic violence for being bigger than the ex-girlfriend who broke into his apartment and severely injured him in a fit of rage because he wouldn't pay her bills anymore. Find a guy guilty of assault for stopping a woman from stabbing him in the throat - on her second attempt. Allow the CSEA to collect un-owed child support from a custodial father and s… | /r/MensRights | 03/07/21 09:13 AM |
| 2 | For future argument's sake- what has mensrights done for women?The most obvious thing is that the MRM shows women there's someone besides ourselves who cares about the men and boys in our lives. The importance of that cannot be overstated. Many of us are caregivers & as we watch law, policy, and social attitudes impact harshly on our male loved ones, it helps a lot to be able to band together with a movement whose goal is to improve things for them. Additionally, fighting for fathers' rights is fighting for daughters' welfare. Girls need their dads' guidanc… | /r/MensRights | 14/01/21 08:22 AM |
| 1 | I (18F) would love to better understand male daily problems, specially about society expectations or self-perceptionI have mainly male friends and they are very private about what bothers them in life, or their pains in general. This is pretty normal for guys. Often it's because they work through problems via action rather than talk. However, a lot of times, they don't talk about their problems especially with women because they expect women to not listen, or they expect women to judge them for their complaints. Often women don't get the nuance behind their complaints. For example, there's the standard of exp… | /r/MensRights | 26/11/20 11:48 AM |
| 1 | Women in the MRM, what is your experience and how can we improve it?Haven't been to the subreddit much lately (and this account was shadowbanned for a few years, but mysteriously, now it's not) but I've been here since this subreddit had less than 3k subscribers, even though it's mostly been as a lurker during the last few years. My experience during the last decade has been that men's rights activists approach human rights issues with a great, egalitarian attitude, compassion, logic, and an interest in practical solutions rather than the shame, blame, and hatre… | /r/MensRights | 26/11/20 10:18 AM |
| 1 | Johnny Depp's situation PROVES that men and women live by different rules. - Aba & PreachWow... I wonder what prompted the admins to drop the shadowban. This is great! :) | /r/MensRights | 17/11/20 10:45 PM |
| 2 | Johnny Depp's situation PROVES that men and women live by different rules. - Aba & PreachWow, that pinned comment... Anyone but a complete fool would be embarrassed to argue that a position which condemns substituting easily swayed popular opinion for a system that is supposed to be designed to involve fair, balanced standards for evidence and application of fair, unbiased law somehow precludes being able to recognize that such a system's adherence to those standards must be carefully guarded and enforced through critique and reform when flaws in it are identified or abuses occur. N… | /r/MensRights | 17/11/20 12:08 PM |
| 1 | Doctor at Ryerson U moves to commit male student based on her opinion. Student asserted his rights, but it didn't matter. Police came and detained.This account was shadowbanned during the mass-ban of MRAs that took place during the the Warren Farrell AMA. I was included in the ban despite being at work during that discussion, which tells me that the excuse they used (brigading) was utter bullshit. Also, I repeatedly tried contacting admins to ask about the shadowban and getting it reversed. I never received any reply. That ban is why I created /u/oneiorosgripwontstfu, the account I thought I had logged into when I replied in this thread. | /r/MensRights | 11/01/16 06:09 AM |
| 1 | Doctor at Ryerson U moves to commit male student based on her opinion. Student asserted his rights, but it didn't matter. Police came and detained.The woman talking to him looked bored and impatient to me. | /r/MensRights | 10/01/16 05:17 PM |
| 3 | Tennessee passes law making it illegal for a pregnant woman to use illegal drugs during pregnancy if it harms her newborn. Salon.com proceeds to lose their shit over "criminalizing pregnancy outcomes.That there is controversy over whether or not to hold women responsible for hurting children by choice is a clear sign of the level to which feminist promulgation has entitled and infantilized us in society's eyes. Damage done by foreign substances is not a pregnancy outcome. It's an abuse outcome, the same as the outcome of shaking an infant, starving an infant, or beating an infant. It's not something that happens by accident, and it's not something the mother couldn't predict. It's disgusting… | /r/MensRights | 01/05/14 02:35 PM |
| 3 | Tennessee passes law making it illegal for a pregnant woman to use illegal drugs during pregnancy if it harms her newborn. Salon.com proceeds to lose their shit over "criminalizing pregnancy outcomes.I think a lot of people over-complicate what is really a simple issue. It's undeniable that the only person with any form of custody of a child in-utero is the mother. It's undeniable that she is fully responsible for her own actions, no matter how much people want to de-agentify women to excuse them from responsibility for their actions. Nobody else but her decides what she will or won't do. Even if she's an addict, at some point in her life she made the decision to start using mind-altering su… | /r/MensRights | 01/05/14 02:18 PM |
| 2 | i don't understandI find that claim questionable, considering that your original claim (which I quoted) isn't backed by the actual content of the sub. You came in here and dropped an un-researched feminist talking point. It's ridiculous to try to pretend that came from a remotely balanced point of view. | /r/MensRights | 30/04/14 03:20 AM |
| 1 | Men are raped almost as often as women But Rape is still a weapon men use against womenMaybe it's no more a weapon against anyone than theft is. It's simply a crime - unfortunately, feminist ideologues have destroyed the ability to discuss it as such by spinning it into an enormous, looming phantom in order to exploit people's feelings about it... which in the end makes it a weapon feminists use to control society at large. | /r/MensRights | 30/04/14 12:02 AM |
| 1 | Question about intoxication and sexLegally, there's not a set in clear standard in the U.S. That's part of the problem. Laws use terminology that is subjective; unless it's a case of an unconscious or physically forced victim, the criteria for considering a sex act "alcohol-facilitated rape" is whether the accuser can be considered “mentally incapacitated,” which is generally defined as being rendered temporarily incapable of appraising his or her conduct due to the influence of an intoxicant. Further, there are areas where it's … | /r/MensRights | 29/04/14 11:31 PM |
| 4 | Is the Men's Rights Movement like the feminists claim it is?That's a common issue with the conflict between the two movements, and the root of it is in the response by feminists to scrutiny of feminist activism. That response is the reason for the impression that men's rights activism is an attempt to undercut feminism - feminists are so accustomed to their assertions not being questioned in their own circles of discussion that dealing with any level of scrutiny feels like an attack to them. When discussion in men's rights forums inevitably leads to the … | /r/MensRights | 26/04/14 04:52 PM |
| 1 | Halifax Regional Police openly reject the "Don't Be That Girl" poster campaign whilst promoting the "Don't Be That Guy" poster campaign.The feminist claim that the crime of falsely accusing rape is not backed by evidence. On the other hand, there is some evidence to back the assertion that the number is higher. More study would be needed to confirm either way, but the existing evidence is more reliable than the evidence used by feminists to assert the widespread incidence of rape in the first place. Convicted by Juries, Exonerated by Science: Case Studies in the Use of DNA Evidence to Establish Innocence After Trial Why RADAR Fi… | /r/MensRights | 26/04/14 04:32 PM |
| 1 | Feminists claim that women are victims and men are the perpetrators of violence. Maybe they should read about how two young girls cruelly bully and assault an autistic boy. He is kind enough to beg for their forgiveness, and asks for the charges to be dropped.Your opinion doesn't match up with feminist history. Try again. "I agree" isn't a valid argument. | /r/MensRights | 26/04/14 04:10 PM |
| 1 | Feminists claim that women are victims and men are the perpetrators of violence. Maybe they should read about how two young girls cruelly bully and assault an autistic boy. He is kind enough to beg for their forgiveness, and asks for the charges to be dropped.There is going to be corruption in law making regardless of what groups lawmakers and activists put themselves into. That's not entirely true. Take VAWA for instance. Domestic violence law was not corrupt until it had the fingerprints of feminism on it. Today, people believe that VAWA was the first time American society addressed domestic violence. Most folks are unaware that wife-beaters used to face harsh punishment even before feminism addressed domestic violence. It isn't that society didn't… | /r/MensRights | 26/04/14 04:07 PM |
| 1 | Feminists claim that women are victims and men are the perpetrators of violence. Maybe they should read about how two young girls cruelly bully and assault an autistic boy. He is kind enough to beg for their forgiveness, and asks for the charges to be dropped.Attempting to dismiss an assertion by labeling it hostile does not eliminate the point of the assertion - it only demonstrates that you can't address it. Frankly, if you have finals to deal with this week, that's where your focus should be, not trying to sell feminism on the internet. I don't quite feel the need to counter you since I'm not attempting to change your views at all, we are all entitled to our opinion. Then you have no point in visiting /r/mensrights to talk about how great you thin… | /r/MensRights | 26/04/14 03:31 PM |
| 1 | Adoption of a “best interest factors” statute was not intended to supplant the tender years doctrine.I have educated myself, ("educate yourself" is the hallmark of a bad debater, btw, because it shows that you can't prove your point yourself) and have learned that getting involved with the system and staying there pretty much requires dumping reason in favor of feminist theory. Nobody is strawmanning you You absolutely are strawmanning me. You're attempting to twist a simple point about a single scenario into a blanket statement about overall divorce in order to fit your narrow ideology... much… | /r/MensRights | 26/04/14 03:24 PM |
| 4 | If Merriam-Webster's Asked You to Change the Definition of Feminism; What Would it Be?A political movement modeled after the class-based description of society laid out in Marxist theory, with gender and ethnicity substituted for class, and advancement of female interests under such a system as its main stated interest. | /r/MensRights | 26/04/14 02:42 PM |
| 0 | Feminists claim that women are victims and men are the perpetrators of violence. Maybe they should read about how two young girls cruelly bully and assault an autistic boy. He is kind enough to beg for their forgiveness, and asks for the charges to be dropped."I can't counter what you've said so I'm going to bow out on false pretenses" FTFY I don't really know why'd you'd recognize my name, given I joined yesterday and I'm pretty sure this is the only MRA post I've ever commented on. Your username is familiar because I've had discussion with an individual with the username "decayingcarbon" in the past. If that account was deleted, the name can be used again. I know this because of my reddit history, having had other accounts. I would love to speak wi… | /r/MensRights | 24/04/14 05:54 PM |
| 1 | Adoption of a “best interest factors” statute was not intended to supplant the tender years doctrine.When you are looking for "evidence" to cite and wind up with a Daily Mail article, it's a good indication that your hypothesis needs some work. Bullshit - the source isn't the problem, as it contains references which effectively back what it says. You're just unable to counter what it says. When you're so desperate to hang onto an argument that you rely on cheap tricks instead of genuine debate, it's a good indication that your beliefs are emotion based rather than rational. I can't tell if you'… | /r/MensRights | 24/04/14 05:48 PM |
| 1 | Video: Solitary Nation | Watch FRONTLINE OnlineIt is going to be difficult, if for no other reason that our society has a tendency to forget that committing a crime, even a terrible crime, doesn't negate a person's humanity. Forgetting a person's humanity creates a default acceptance for all kinds of human rights violations. | /r/MensRights | 23/04/14 03:13 PM |
| 2 | Feminists claim that women are victims and men are the perpetrators of violence. Maybe they should read about how two young girls cruelly bully and assault an autistic boy. He is kind enough to beg for their forgiveness, and asks for the charges to be dropped.Just as you can highlight cases where a feminsist speaks ill of male rape victim, I too can highlight cases in which MRAs speak ill of female rape victims or take action to invalidate the problems faced by female victims. The two are not equal. MRAs acknowledge that rape happens. They also acknowledge that false accusations happen. Feminists treat the latter as taking action to invalidate the problems faced by female victims. False accusers aren't victims. Their targets are. Feminists also treat… | /r/MensRights | 23/04/14 04:39 AM |
| 2 | Feminists claim that women are victims and men are the perpetrators of violence. Maybe they should read about how two young girls cruelly bully and assault an autistic boy. He is kind enough to beg for their forgiveness, and asks for the charges to be dropped.Hi! Feminist here ~ We do not outright lie. That's hilarious - you probably actually think that after unearthing a plethora of feminism's outright lies, I'm just going to buy that and wander off, satisfied that the fluffy-bunny mittromneyass represents feminism in its true form. How cute. We are not silly in believing that violence perpetrated against men by women does not exist. Feminists don't believe that female violence against men doesn't exist. They simply deny it knowing full well it does… | /r/MensRights | 23/04/14 04:29 AM |
| 2 | Feminists claim that women are victims and men are the perpetrators of violence. Maybe they should read about how two young girls cruelly bully and assault an autistic boy. He is kind enough to beg for their forgiveness, and asks for the charges to be dropped.Your posts are getting likely downvoted because I'm not the only one who recognizes your name from previous discussions, and because you're spouting bullshit everyone in here has already heard and already seen debunked. You're not contributing anything new or interesting to the discussion. | /r/MensRights | 23/04/14 04:22 AM |
| 1 | Feminists claim that women are victims and men are the perpetrators of violence. Maybe they should read about how two young girls cruelly bully and assault an autistic boy. He is kind enough to beg for their forgiveness, and asks for the charges to be dropped.I'm a self considered feminist. That makes you partly responsible, since you support the title "feminist," and therefore give cover to the groups who have deliberately covered up female perpetration. I could easily generalize about MRAs, but you don't see me doing that. What a ridiculous statement - it's not really a response to what I've said so much as to your own discomfort at seeing your movement criticized. I believe domestic abuse committed by women is yes, overlooked! Bullshit - I've seen… | /r/MensRights | 23/04/14 04:21 AM |
| 0 | Adoption of a “best interest factors” statute was not intended to supplant the tender years doctrine.I'm not buying your denials. My point stands - you couldn't argue with what I said, so you argued against a strawman. Further, your argument's logical conclusion is exactly as I've described it; you just don't like having it spelled out that way. It should happen only when the other parent is so fucked up that they're a danger to the kids. I'll agree with that in part - I think moving far away should reduce someone's custody rights unless they have compelling evidence against such a decision, as… | /r/MensRights | 23/04/14 04:14 AM |
| 10 | Feminists claim that women are victims and men are the perpetrators of violence. Maybe they should read about how two young girls cruelly bully and assault an autistic boy. He is kind enough to beg for their forgiveness, and asks for the charges to be dropped.We can, but feminists can't. They've demonstrated that in no uncertain terms by fighting hard to obscure or outright lie about violence against men in order to exploit social sympathy for female victims for political and financial gain. Women are not only not more often victims of violence - they are more often allowed to get away with perpetration of it because of the perception that women are more vulnerable and less violent than men. In fact, when women are violent toward men, it's often assu… | /r/MensRights | 22/04/14 02:59 PM |
| 7 | Do people here call themselves Feminists?Nope | /r/MensRights | 22/04/14 02:13 AM |
| 2 | i don't understandokay, so i've tried to figure this out and search for valid information, but mostly i've found things that just spew a lot of hate towards feminism or say that men have more issues than women, and that's not really helpful. This outs you as a fake and a troll. The information structure you're citing - mostly "things that just spew a lot of hate toward feminism" (absent of valid information) does not exist. There is criticism of feminism. You're not one of those idiot trolls who thinks posting a … | /r/MensRights | 21/04/14 09:42 PM |
| 6 | Let me interview you!You may be a little surprised about the reception you're getting. It might help you to know that while there aren't news reports I can link to so you can confirm them (because nobody reports when one of us gets attacked - feminists merit that privilege from the media, but MRAs apparently don't) there have been several MRAs who have been identified, tracked down, assaulted, harassed on the job (at least one who has been fired) and otherwise threatened/intimidated by angry feminists and others hos… | /r/MensRights | 21/04/14 09:33 PM |
| 4 | The Men’s Rights Movement Should Change its NameDo you think that feminists wouldn't campaign against the men's movement if the men's movement addressed the laws and policy they've lobbied for without blaming them for the existence of those laws and policy? Do you think that discrimination against men could be eliminated without breaking down the system that promotes and supports it? | /r/MensRights | 21/04/14 09:15 PM |
| 0 | Adoption of a “best interest factors” statute was not intended to supplant the tender years doctrine.Actually, I was quoting you. You said "abuse is something that can be documented and proved." I'm disagreeing with you, because it is indeed a line of bullshit (though not feminist bullshit, feminists generally want unprovable allegations of abuse to have legal weight). Your misunderstanding of my point is my fault - I copied the first line to reply to your entire paragraph. The meaning of what I've said is unchanged. Your assertion does not justify presuming a parent abusive, but is instead a l… | /r/MensRights | 21/04/14 09:10 PM |
| 4 | The Men’s Rights Movement Should Change its NameThe problem is that discussing men's issues without discussing all of their causes would be unproductive and a huge waste of time. A civil rights movement criticizing a source of oppression is going to experience resistance to that criticism, from tone arguments to hyperbolic accusations to La la la! I can't hear you! None of that negates the reason for said criticism, nor does it justify censoring it. That there are people who don't like hearing criticism of dearly held beliefs does not change … | /r/MensRights | 21/04/14 09:01 PM |
| 2 | Question, is there a sub for fathers for equal rights, or is this the right place?It's like this because of the letter and interpretation of the law. Originally, it was standard for the father to retain custody of his children when his marriage ended. In fact, under English Common Law (which set the standards for the U.S. and Canada, as well) it was damned near impossible for a woman to get custody, or even any property from a marriage. Of course, at that time, it was also rare for women to abandon their marriages. Modern custody law is based on the belief that women are bett… | /r/MensRights | 21/04/14 05:10 AM |
| 1 | [Xpost from r/FeMRADebates] "10 Ways to Be a Better Female MRA"No, but if you stomp your feet and whine enough about it, you can get a lot of people to go along with you in pretending otherwise. | /r/MensRights | 21/04/14 03:24 AM |
| 1 | [Xpost from r/FeMRADebates] "10 Ways to Be a Better Female MRA"Looks more like they censor if they don't like what the voice of wisdom has to say. | /r/MensRights | 21/04/14 02:28 AM |
| 1 | [Xpost from r/FeMRADebates] "10 Ways to Be a Better Female MRA"I just read your comments. Wow, you guys over at FeMRA debates have let yourself be bossed around. It's amazing how much you have to censor yourselves to cater to the emotional fragility of feminists in that sub. That explains why they can't bring themselves to participate in discussions here. They are wimps. O.o | /r/MensRights | 21/04/14 12:14 AM |
| 0 | Adoption of a “best interest factors” statute was not intended to supplant the tender years doctrine.Abuse is something that can be documented and proved. That assertion does not by any stretch of the imagination justify presuming a parent abusive. In fact, it's a line of feminist bullshit. an overreaching court system does not lead to a net increase in justice. An overreaching court system is what you're advocating; you're advocating the ability of the court to decide that the terms of a contract are meaningless based on the emotional whims of those involved. When you advocate to allow women w… | /r/MensRights | 20/04/14 11:20 PM |
| 1 | So, I've been calling feminist groups in Canada about my effort to open more men's shelters, and have been pleasantly surprised.It's not. Feminists knew about male victims in the 70s & 80s while advocating for female-specific federal laws and funding. Click on the second link in this comment - the article there explains, and has links to back up that explanation. | /r/MensRights | 20/04/14 10:40 PM |
| 1 | So, I've been calling feminist groups in Canada about my effort to open more men's shelters, and have been pleasantly surprised.Feminism is not a rights movement. It's a money and political power movement. | /r/MensRights | 20/04/14 10:35 PM |
| 1 | [Xpost from r/FeMRADebates] "10 Ways to Be a Better Female MRA"Thanks - and sure - this is something I wanted to say to everyone. Sharing it would only help with that. | /r/MensRights | 20/04/14 01:23 PM |
| 2 | Let's make Men's shelters in Canada a Reality. Share your suggestions here.The video is a great description. It's probably one of the more effective media representations of the issue. Another thing you can talk about is the hurdles men face when seeking assistance - that not only do many domestic abuse shelters reserve assistance for only women and children, of those that do assist men, it's not uncommon for them to treat men as perpetrators instead of victims (as one of your videos shows.) Men experiencing abuse need a place to escape from the abuse where they won't … | /r/MensRights | 20/04/14 02:55 AM |
| 2 | Girl got my friend fired. What can I do?http://www.eeoc.gov/employees/howtofile.cfm Since your friend was given no recourse to even tell his side of the story, and he can honestly say that (in a roundabout way) he was fired for ending a relationship with a coworker, he might have a case. It depends on what he can prove. | /r/MensRights | 20/04/14 02:19 AM |
| 8 | So, I've been calling feminist groups in Canada about my effort to open more men's shelters, and have been pleasantly surprised.No, it shows that many of them convinced themselves to think of excuses as reasons, and unpredicated violence as justified by women's feelings. Grasping onto a single story as reason for such interpretation does not excuse that attitude. It exemplifies it. And what I'm saying is that times haven't changed. A handful of phone calls showing that some women acknowledge male victims does not a turnaround make. There are women's shelters with programs for male victims. Abused men who call in to them … | /r/MensRights | 20/04/14 01:49 AM |
| 1 | [Xpost from r/FeMRADebates] "10 Ways to Be a Better Female MRA"It is satire, but there are some things there that aren't all that different from the standards adopted by FeMRAs. We've seen where feminist baggage can take a discussion. Addressing the MRM through a filter of loyalty to feminist beliefs leads to an inability to acknowledge all of the causes of some of the issues men face. Holding onto those beliefs changes the way a woman looks at a man's rights. Feminism treats women's dearly held wants as needs, and women's needs as rights. Female feminists … | /r/MensRights | 20/04/14 12:41 AM |
| 1 | Adoption of a “best interest factors” statute was not intended to supplant the tender years doctrine.Re: 1 - Unless you're a divorce lawyer, that's not even a point. It's opinion. Re: 2 - we aren't in agreement on this. Women can use evidence of subcriminal neglect to gain full custody. They can also use threats of false accusation, and they can use "I've got all of your money because you have to pay me alimony and child support, so you can't finance a legal battle and I can" to win and keep full custody, because even when custody is shared, they're awarded support. The law we're discussing has… | /r/MensRights | 19/04/14 09:52 PM |
| 6 | So, I've been calling feminist groups in Canada about my effort to open more men's shelters, and have been pleasantly surprised.Even dumber: FSA the AMR poster is wrong. Women didn't just get classified as not abusers because they lied. They got classified that way because feminist researchers interpret the same behavior and reasoning differently depending on whether it came from a man or a woman. If a man hits because he feels disrespected, they can acknowledge that he's using violence to dominate his partner. If a woman hits because she feels disrespected, they treat that as self-defense. If a woman hits because a man … | /r/MensRights | 19/04/14 09:33 PM |
| 10 | So, I've been calling feminist groups in Canada about my effort to open more men's shelters, and have been pleasantly surprised.You want to argue conspiracy? Of course you do - you have the luxury of living in the information age. Protesting the availability of fact "arguing conspiracy" is not a good argument. This is not a subreddit where you're able to use unmerited dismissiveness as a counter to anything. What that attempt shows is that you can't debate fact against fact. Your next paragraph, comprised of emotional drivel, is already countered by the information at the link you don't like - the one which shows that fe… | /r/MensRights | 19/04/14 09:06 PM |
| 5 | So, I've been calling feminist groups in Canada about my effort to open more men's shelters, and have been pleasantly surprised.Mainstream feminism - the only feminism that matters, because they're the only feminism with an impact - is where the campaign to create a need for and then monopolize funds for domestic violence victim's advocacy occurred. It wasn't done by a subgroup, though many who would identify with many of the 3rd wave's invented scattergories of feminism. Identifying with a subgroup doesn't get you out of responsibility for the harm done by the feminist lobby. Claims that "there are many different femini… | /r/MensRights | 19/04/14 08:29 PM |
| 14 | So, I've been calling feminist groups in Canada about my effort to open more men's shelters, and have been pleasantly surprised.The OP has found evidence that a handful of feminists are good at saying nice things to whoever calls them on the phone. What he hasn't demonstrated is that these organizations are going to cease deliberately shutting male victims out of funding for shelters, something they've been doing for decades. | /r/MensRights | 19/04/14 08:18 PM |
| 6 | So, I've been calling feminist groups in Canada about my effort to open more men's shelters, and have been pleasantly surprised.Those who deliberately monopolize resources aren't. That is what feminism has been doing since the 70s. | /r/MensRights | 19/04/14 08:16 PM |
| 8 | So, I've been calling feminist groups in Canada about my effort to open more men's shelters, and have been pleasantly surprised.No, it's not "unless you give us stuff," but "unless you cease preventing us from obtaining resources." Government funds are not the property of women. | /r/MensRights | 19/04/14 08:15 PM |
| 2 | Action Opportunity: The way male domestic abuse victims and their children are treated is a crime. Please protect them! (change.org petition)Done. (For the record, I have seen the warnings on other change.org posts about not leading to my real name. It's already out there, so my Change.org petition signature isn't new information for anyone.) | /r/MensRights | 19/04/14 11:38 AM |
| 10 | So, I've been calling feminist groups in Canada about my effort to open more men's shelters, and have been pleasantly surprised.Nobody said they were opposed to lobbying the government to change priorities to helping more taxpayers. Why are you so opposed to dealing in facts? There's a history of feminist efforts to obscure and deny male victims of domestic violence for the purpose of maintaining a monopoly on funding, one that goes all the way back to the 70s, when feminists in the U.S. lobbying the U.S. government for money denied knowledge of male victims despite encountering them in their research. That history of lo… | /r/MensRights | 19/04/14 11:28 AM |
| 5 | So, I've been calling feminist groups in Canada about my effort to open more men's shelters, and have been pleasantly surprised.It also demonstrates where feminism actually stands on the topic of male victims of domestic violence, and how that attitude affects those seeking to assist male victims. | /r/MensRights | 19/04/14 11:16 AM |
| 8 | So, I've been calling feminist groups in Canada about my effort to open more men's shelters, and have been pleasantly surprised.When are the feminist organizations he talked to going to divvy up their funding to help start the men's shelter he's talking about? | /r/MensRights | 19/04/14 11:15 AM |
| -5 | So, I've been calling feminist groups in Canada about my effort to open more men's shelters, and have been pleasantly surprised.No, feminists and MRAs aren't striving for the same goal, and a brigade from AMR isn't going to change the fact that we know that. There's a reason why there's only 2 shelters for men. Because while OP could find a handful of shelters out of all of Canada where he got a less negative response than expected (and he couldn't even do that without running up against denial of male domestic violence victims and the assumption that the male must be the perp, as the last example shows) the reality is t… | /r/MensRights | 19/04/14 11:12 AM |
| 9 | So, I've been calling feminist groups in Canada about my effort to open more men's shelters, and have been pleasantly surprised.No, feminists and MRAs aren't striving for the same goal. There's a reason why there's only 2 shelters for men. Because while OP could find a handful of shelters out of all of Canada where he got a less negative response than expected (and he couldn't even do that without running up against denial of male domestic violence victims and the assumption that the male must be the perp, as the last example shows) the reality is that feminists have fought tooth and nail to maintain a female monopoly on… | /r/MensRights | 19/04/14 03:36 AM |
| 1 | An example of feminism done right.It really is my hope that in time egalitarian members of feminist and MRA will work together. Note, feel free to visit the site and if you like discuss issues of feminism. Please do NOT go there to discuss issues about the MRM- they are a feminist group, not a MRM one. | /r/MensRights | 18/04/14 08:45 PM |
| 5 | why is it alright/justifying for women to cheat or have higher expectations during a relationship?I think this is because we as a society view heterosexual intimate partner relationships as something the man does for the woman, rather than a real partnership. That leads to the assumption that making the relationship work is the man's responsibility, which in turn means catering to the woman's wants and needs. Under the veil of that thread of misconceptions, one would attribute dysfunctional behavior by a wife to some cause which must originate with her husband. When we're not trapped under t… | /r/MensRights | 18/04/14 08:37 PM |
| 4 | Againstmensrights takes a screenshot of our new submissions, fails to notice that most of the feminism ones are submitted by the exact same person...This happens a lot. When the MRM first came out, feminists tried mocking the movement as a way of countering it. When that didn't work they went on the attack. They've been back and forth with several attempts at shutting down MRA speech, including continuing to mock (which only makes them look bad,) misrepresenting the movement, outright slander, protesting MR speech, harassment of MRAs, attempts at manipulating the movement with troll posts on social networking discussions, and even attempts t… | /r/MensRights | 18/04/14 08:30 PM |
| 0 | Adoption of a “best interest factors” statute was not intended to supplant the tender years doctrine.Abusive spouses everywhere would certainly benefit from THAT. No, they wouldn't. Abuse is something that can be documented and proved. Further, you're falling into the same shitty feminist pattern of assuming (since the majority of divorces are initiated by women) that men are abusers. You're also falling into the feminist flawed argument of treating "uncontested" or "default" as "always." That's a woefully inadequate way of addressing this discussion. The rest of your comment isn't reality base… | /r/MensRights | 18/04/14 08:23 PM |
| 1 | Are men's rights in the US really being impinged upon? How?Oh, it has a bad habit of invading the minds of feminists during debate. Just the other day I was accused of thinking with it. Problems, all around. | /r/MensRights | 18/04/14 01:57 PM |
| 0 | Adoption of a “best interest factors” statute was not intended to supplant the tender years doctrine.The problem is that this articulation of the law is being used to prevent it from being a factor even when one parent is demonstrably unfit. On the other hand, the law does not prevent women from using unsubstantiated allegations against men to prevent them from obtaining custody. Proof is not necessarily needed for allegations of abuse to affect that decision. Frankly, I think whoever initiates the divorce should be considered by default, unless it's proved otherwise in court, to be abandoning … | /r/MensRights | 18/04/14 12:40 AM |
| 10 | Againstmensrights takes a screenshot of our new submissions, fails to notice that most of the feminism ones are submitted by the exact same person...That's not all feminism does that impacts on men. Feminist ideology also enables female dysfunction that impacts on men. Feminists at different times deny that men's issues are issues, that they're men's issues, that they're a problem, and that men have the right to discuss them outside of feminist control. | /r/MensRights | 18/04/14 12:30 AM |
| 5 | Are men's rights in the US really being impinged upon? How?And of course, there are no female MRAs. | /r/MensRights | 17/04/14 08:57 PM |
| 3 | Are men's rights in the US really being impinged upon? How?Coming in here with a bunch of unsubstantiated accusations and a lousy tone argument is probably what earned you the "troll" title. "One of the most agregious doxxing incidents on this site" because nothing of substance has actually happened to anyone because MRAs found out information about them. On the other hand, when feminists got the information of an individual they didn't like because he helped keep a subreddit they didn't like from violating the law in a way they could use to shut it dow… | /r/MensRights | 17/04/14 08:56 PM |
| 30 | Againstmensrights takes a screenshot of our new submissions, fails to notice that most of the feminism ones are submitted by the exact same person...It's just another part of the "you can't criticize feminism" narrative. It's not like it has never, ever been explained to them that feminist lobbying for anti-male discriminatory law and policy is a men's issue. They get told that just about every time the "you can't criticize feminism" narrative is shoved in our collective faces. It's that they're just not smart enough to understand that feminist attacks on men are a men's issue. Hell, they don't even get that abuse of men is a men's issue - w… | /r/MensRights | 17/04/14 08:31 PM |
| 1 | Adoption of a “best interest factors” statute was not intended to supplant the tender years doctrine.Your husband's ex was awarded both primary physical custody and child support even though there was no good reason for that. Not just because there was no good reason, but in spite of good reason not to. I think you're being deliberately obtuse here. The relationship didn't end because of my husband. It ended because his drank, partied, and fucked around on him until she decided to leave him for another man. This wasn't about property. It was about 1) viewing women as primary caregivers, even wh… | /r/MensRights | 17/04/14 06:59 PM |
| 1 | Adoption of a “best interest factors” statute was not intended to supplant the tender years doctrine.Are you kidding? Haven't you been through this in real life, with your husband? There was nothing in the divorce settlement that treated the kids as an award. Child support, yes - that was treated as compensation. The kids went with the ex-wife by default, and my husband had to fight tooth and nail for time with them. Her character during that time exemplifies exactly what I've said. Prior to leaving him, she had boyfriends on and offline, came home drunk on weekends, and was verbally and physic… | /r/MensRights | 16/04/14 03:35 PM |
| 1 | Gay MRAs?Just call me Miss O'Jenny, the FeMRA of feminist imagining. >_< | /r/MensRights | 15/04/14 02:28 AM |
| 11 | My ex was impregnated and just got remarried, i'm in california (LA), am i eligible for a reduction in child support?This is definitely one for a lawyer. Don't take advice about recording without talking to your lawyer, either. California is a 2 party state, meaning you can't record your ex without her knowledge without violating the law and risking prosecution. http://www.rcfp.org/reporters-recording-guide/state-state-guide/california If she's having a baby with her new husband, beware that this could actually slightly increase your support obligation if California does what Ohio does. My husband's child supp… | /r/MensRights | 15/04/14 02:23 AM |
| 2 | Adoption of a “best interest factors” statute was not intended to supplant the tender years doctrine.Addendum to this - It was never about reward, "giving" and "getting" kids. It was about the court judging the individual's behavior to be damaging to the kids. When you cheat on your husband, break up your family, and try to insinuate another man into the kids' lives, that's as much treating them like property as feminists claim it is when fathers want custody. When you are high on crack in front of your kids, that's damaging. Pretending that parents' behavior doesn't impact on their kids is lud… | /r/MensRights | 15/04/14 12:18 AM |
| 1 | Gay MRAs?It was melodramatic, from start to finish, both times. :P | /r/MensRights | 15/04/14 12:13 AM |
| 2 | Adoption of a “best interest factors” statute was not intended to supplant the tender years doctrine.Mothers certainly had access to this "tool" as well. The "nuts, drunks, and sluts" method has been used by angry divorcing people who can afford private investigators for a very long time. The difference is, fathers not only no longer have that tool, but face hurdles proving themselves the better custodial parent even when mothers use illicit drugs in their home, tear their kids' families apart for their own interests, and deny their kids access to their fathers. Mothers, on the other hand, stil… | /r/MensRights | 14/04/14 11:58 PM |
| 1 | Gay MRAs?I dated a couple of feminist men at different times during the 90s. That was a bad choice on my part. | /r/MensRights | 14/04/14 09:52 PM |
| 1 | Can we discuss the Paycheck Fairness act like reasonable people please? (NOT like this link I've seen on facebook quite a bit.)To justify passing a law, it's your responsibility to first back up your own assertions as to why it's needed. Since the claims on which advocacy for it were based have been debunked (the 77% myth) it's on you to demonstrate 1) that there's even any need for enforcement or protection that is stated in the bill, 2) that the need is compelling enough to merit federal bill, 3) that it doesn't violate anyone's rights, and 4) that its benefits outweigh any potential harm. The original link demonstrat… | /r/MensRights | 14/04/14 09:42 PM |
| 3 | Adoption of a “best interest factors” statute was not intended to supplant the tender years doctrine.It was never intended to be gender-neutral. The comment section makes that clear. Looking at the law, it appears more to be intended to remove one tool fathers had to obtain custody; the ability to use as leverage when the mother's behavior was the reason for the divorce. Whether the change was right or wrong, the significant thing here is that it wasn't the change feminists claim that it was. Feminists cite the wording of the law without including the comment section to support the claim that m… | /r/MensRights | 14/04/14 09:38 PM |
| 6 | Adoption of a “best interest factors” statute was not intended to supplant the tender years doctrine.We get told all the time in discussion by feminists that the feminist-lobbied Tender Years Doctrine's replacement by the Best Interest standard eliminated court bias against fathers. The article shows that to be false - it hasn't eliminated it, but instead was intended to stop courts from making custody rulings based on parental sexual misconduct, where previously things like adultery could affect a custody decision. | /r/MensRights | 14/04/14 11:43 AM |
| -1 | Female Privilege Is Real, And We Need To Talk About It (Like Adults)The concept of privilege is fake - a thought-terminating cliche intended as a cushion against logic. That said, modern society does have a tendency to offer women benefits at the expense of men. I don't think privilege is the right term for it because the concept "privilege" is used to excuse dehumanization of and discrimination against those considered "privileged. The description of gynocentrism does not treat the phenomenon (the fact that we do live in a woman-centered, woman-elevating cultur… | /r/MensRights | 13/04/14 05:12 AM |
| 4 | Female Privilege Is Real, And We Need To Talk About It (Like Adults)How about gynocentrism? | /r/MensRights | 13/04/14 03:15 AM |
| 3 | Gay MRAs?I get annoyed when people call me a feminist, but I'm really hard to offend. XD | /r/MensRights | 13/04/14 02:28 AM |
| 1 | Can we discuss the Paycheck Fairness act like reasonable people please? (NOT like this link I've seen on facebook quite a bit.)Citation needed proving that the only provision existing in the law is that employees are not to be barred from disclosing their pay information. | /r/MensRights | 13/04/14 02:26 AM |
| 1 | Working for mens rights is wrong. Read before you down vote.I personally don't believe that it does want to dominate over women, but the general public and others do not hold the same idea. The only people I've seen making that assertion are feminists attempting to demonize the movement. There isn't a public perception that the MRM is a movement attempting any such thing - in fact, most people don't even know we exist. And this is how women are responding when they learn: http://www.avoiceformen.com/mens-rights/challenge-to-women-spread-this-meme/#commen… | /r/MensRights | 12/04/14 04:21 PM |
| 2 | Gay MRAs?Typical. The OP might be associated with AMR. I've noticed a loose pattern of "you don't represent gay issues" troll posts over time, and noted it along with other patterns of probable troll posts and brigading. | /r/MensRights | 12/04/14 04:07 PM |
| 2 | Working for mens rights is wrong. Read before you down vote.Talking about the MRM as a movement to impose male domination over women is a clear sign that you have read/watched/experienced absolutely nothing of the movement. Also, you guys are submitting your troll posts too close together. It makes them way too obvious. | /r/MensRights | 12/04/14 04:00 PM |
| 2 | Do any MRAs acknowledge that men have systemic privilege over women?Personally, I find the feminist concept of "privilege" to be an insult to human intelligence. It shows that you can't advocate your position without engaging in a dehumanization campaign against men, and is one of the determining factors in my assessment of feminism as a hate movement. The concept only exists because without it, feminists wouldn't be able to continue to make claims that women are systematically oppressed after years of lobbying and advocacy have brought about massive efforts to … | /r/MensRights | 12/04/14 03:53 PM |
| 1 | Can we discuss the Paycheck Fairness act like reasonable people please? (NOT like this link I've seen on facebook quite a bit.)To advocate for a law that is going to control the behavior of others, especially one that is going to take control of private enterprise and dictate what agreements can be made between employee and employer, you have to demonstrate that 1) There's reason for it (this relies on the 77% figure) 2) It will solve the problem (since the problem does not exist, this is moot) and 3) It's not likely to cause more harm than good. The article does demonstrate that the bill is likely to cause more harm th… | /r/MensRights | 12/04/14 02:31 PM |
| 1 | Can we discuss the Paycheck Fairness act like reasonable people please? (NOT like this link I've seen on facebook quite a bit.)Regarding item 1; What evidence can you cite that employers will respond differently? Regarding item 2 - What sources do you have that can conclusively differentiate between the paycheck fairness act and a comparable worth regime? Regarding item 3 - Advocacy for the paycheck fairness act is entirely based on the 77 percent number. If that number is bogus, there is no reason to pass a law. Tracing backward through the three items, you then have political advocacy based on lies, to pass a law whic… | /r/MensRights | 11/04/14 04:51 PM |
| 5 | Can we discuss the Paycheck Fairness act like reasonable people please? (NOT like this link I've seen on facebook quite a bit.)You can counter that with this, though be prepared for feminists and others committed to the bill to try to argue by dismissing the source. http://blog.heritage.org/2014/04/09/3-things-know-paycheck-fairness-act/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social It's a well-referenced piece - and since it does contain references, it's on the person you're debating to counter that evidence with something solid, rather than "that's a conservative organization," which is what you'll hear from most facebookers. | /r/MensRights | 11/04/14 04:13 PM |
| 1 | Let's discuss why the MHRM should support Pro-ChoiceYou're still not offering a rational argument. For starters, you're still relying on your subjective "personhood" argument, despite having failed to prove its validity as an argument. Much of your argument here relies on treating popular opinion as a solid basis for decision-making. It was once popular opinion in the U.S. that black people weren't people. Popular opinion is as fallible as subjective terminology as a basis for your decision. Attempting to apply agency where agency does not exist … | /r/MensRights | 10/04/14 07:48 PM |
| 1 | Rape Culture ProjectTake a look at Alison Tieman's approach. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ncjGFIFPJI Taking an approach that makes it obvious that the same act isn't treated the same way by authorities would be a good way to approach the assignment without playing into feminist stereotypes. In fact, you can even demonstrate how feminists have worked to obscure male victims. Alison's video led to catching the CDC in a lie about how the data from the National Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence Survey (2010) was … | /r/MensRights | 10/04/14 07:33 PM |
| 1 | Let's discuss why the MHRM should support Pro-ChoicePointing out that the life support for a fetus is a not machine- another nonperson- but a woman's body, doesn't really bolster your argument. Actually, it doesn't have to. It simply demonstrates that your argument isn't a counter, because you're using a false-equivalency and relying again on subjective concepts rather than solid facts. In fact, it throws the direct conflict between person and nonperson, which the person should always win, into high relief. This is irrelevant to the discussion, b… | /r/MensRights | 09/04/14 04:44 AM |
| 5 | Examples of feminist lobbied law and policy, especially on rape?I wrote about some examples in this set of comments - the links that go to discussion on feminist-lobbied discriminatory law start near the bottom of the first comment and continue into the second. Among them are links to articles showing how feminists have fought to keep government and government-funded approaches to intimate partner and sexual violence discriminatory on the basis of sex. That includes their lobby for law and policy that would increase arrest, prosecution, conviction, and incar… | /r/MensRights | 09/04/14 04:30 AM |
| 1 | Let's discuss why the MHRM should support Pro-ChoiceI'm pro-life, and do not base my position on anything to do with a soul. I simply don't think that picking an arbitrary point in development (and birth is arbitrary - some children are born prematurely, and medical science keeps developing better and better treatment that is helping preemies survive at earlier and earlier dates, so even the term "viable" is subjective) and saying "from this point back, it's okay to kill organism, but from this point forward, it's not." If we are going to have la… | /r/MensRights | 09/04/14 02:52 AM |
| 1 | Let's discuss why the MHRM should support Pro-ChoicePersonally, I'm pro-life. I support LPS because abortion is an option. If abortion wasn't a legal option, then it would be unfair to have LPS. It wouldn't be unfair. Safe-haven abandonment is also an option. So is adoption. Women aren't without choices, even if abortion is not one of them. | /r/MensRights | 09/04/14 02:44 AM |
| 1 | Let's discuss why the MHRM should support Pro-ChoiceSo, if I understand you just with regards to this, you would object to the idea because it would alienate the pro-life segment of the MHRM. No, I object to individuals making pro-abortion statements on behalf of a movement that includes people who are pro-life. It would be like making any other political statement (and abortion is more of a political issue than a gender issue) on behalf of the movement. This isn't that kind of movement. It's about advocating that human rights be treated as equal… | /r/MensRights | 09/04/14 02:42 AM |
| 1 | Let's discuss why the MHRM should support Pro-ChoiceActually, yes, it would be fair, because in that environment, women still have the ability to make use of safe haven abandonment centers, where they can evade parental responsibility and prevent the father from obtaining custody, if they have not told him about the pregnancy or if he is on board with abandonment. That's an option a woman has that a man does not; she can hide a pregnancy/birth from him, but he can't hide one from her. | /r/MensRights | 09/04/14 02:38 AM |
| 1 | Let's discuss why the MHRM should support Pro-ChoiceIf you remove Terry Schiavo's body from life support, it dies. If you remove a fetus from life support, it dies. Again, false equivalency. Life support is an action taken by humans to change the existing course of events. Pregnancy is the existing course of events. Calling it "life support" is dishonest. So is simplifying the abortion procedure to treat it as if you're shutting off a machine, when the procedure actually involves directly interfering with the body. Removing life support is cessat… | /r/MensRights | 09/04/14 02:33 AM |
| 1 | Let's discuss why the MHRM should support Pro-ChoiceSee this comment about Terry Schiavo's body. It may not be a relative concept, but it's not a relevant concept, either, as it is not sufficient. Terry Schaivo's body was in a state of dysfunction that was killing it. Ceasing to prevent dysfunctional health from ending a life is not the same as actively taking a life. If it was, it would not be illegal to shoot people in the head. Your argument needs to not rest on a false equivalency. What paltry capacity for moral reasoning you must have. A per… | /r/MensRights | 09/04/14 12:44 AM |
| 1 | Let's discuss why the MHRM should support Pro-ChoiceThat's very close to my position, except that I am pro-life. When I say that I am talking about more than abortion. I do not support affording the state the authority to execute people. I do not support affording the state the authority to compel unwilling citizens to serve in the military. I do not support the state's choice to invade other nations on principle. I think that my country should have stayed out of WWI. I think if we'd done that, there never would have been WWII. I think that witho… | /r/MensRights | 07/04/14 11:06 PM |
| 2 | Let's discuss why the MHRM should support Pro-ChoicePersonhood is a relative concept. I don't consider it to belong to anyone. It's not something measurable, nor is it anything that you can genuinely confirm. You can make subjective statements that you think confirm personhood, but when you do you'll justify killing the handicapped and anyone else who can be interpreted by the listener to meet your criteria for nonpersonhood. A genetically unique living human organism is not a relative concept. Each of those terms has a clear and simple meaning t… | /r/MensRights | 07/04/14 10:45 PM |
| 9 | Is it illegal for me to move my daughter to another state while married?I don't know whether it would legally be considered kidnapping, but if it means you'd be preventing your wife and daughter from seeing each other, that would be a shitty thing to do. That's the exact mirror of one of the issues over which the men's rights movement formed; women using tactics like that to separate their kids from the kids' fathers. Aside from extreme circumstances, kids need both parents. Unless your wife is abusing your daughter (and if she is, you should document that and get a… | /r/MensRights | 05/04/14 09:19 PM |
| 2 | Let's discuss why the MHRM should support Pro-ChoiceThis is not a position you're ever going to get me to take. The abortion controversy is not simply about choice, the rights of the parents, the mother's bodily autonomy, or anyone's convenience. The procedure destroys a living human organism. Until you can demonstrate using the same criteria used to define anything else as a living organism vs inanimate matter, human vs another species, and a body part vs a genetically separate organism, there is not another argument you can make that outweighs … | /r/MensRights | 05/04/14 09:09 PM |
| 2 | Breaking: That Brazilian survey where 65% agreed women deserved do be attacked? It turns out they 'made a mistake'. Actually 70% DISAGREED.Or a feminist bias. Feminists put the two together when accusing the general public of believing women deserve to be raped under various circumstances. | /r/MensRights | 05/04/14 08:52 PM |
| 2 | "He Had Fresh Head Injuries": What Ohio Has Been Doing to Mentally Ill BoysIt's horrible that this happens at all within a system humans created to deal with dysfunctional human behavior. That it's youth forces us to see even more clearly how bad it is. If it were adults, (and it's actually done on a more harsh, long-term scale to adults) there would be people dismissing this as just part of the punishment one has earned when one commits a crime. That it's happening to kids is a particularly heinous wrong in that kids who end up in the penal system end up there because… | /r/MensRights | 05/04/14 11:29 AM |
| 2 | CDC is caught in a lieRegarding the below edit: TheBaby-SittersCoven cited Christina Hoff Sommers as a source on rape culture theory. Christina Hoff Sommers criticizes rape culture theory, soundly debunking the feminist narrative on it in this link, which goes to a paper cited in the wikipedia description of the theory, written by feminists. While I do agree that "that the whole basis for "rape culture" in the US is the idea that male sexuality is assertive and aggressive and female is passive and coy" is not a full,… | /r/MensRights | 05/04/14 11:01 AM |
| 2 | CDC is caught in a lieIt was not a complaint. It was a request. I don't support the claim you were replying to. I just wanted to see what your argument was based on, and to point out that until you support it with something, all you guys have is the equivalent of "Am not" and "are too." On a side note, Christina Hoff Sommers argues against the feminist "rape culture" theory. Your link is broken. The article you're referencing is at this link. | /r/MensRights | 04/04/14 09:37 PM |
| 1 | Honey Badger Radio: Rape CultureNo, I took that straight from the arguments you have made in this discussion. Try again. | /r/MensRights | 04/04/14 09:33 PM |
| 6 | CDC is caught in a lieNo, it's an accurate description of the argument you laid out. Continuing to use a false accusation as a red herring to distract from your inability to actually counter anything I've presented is useless. It will not eliminate your responsibility in the discussion. | /r/MensRights | 04/04/14 09:32 PM |
| 1 | CDC is caught in a lieYou're not supporting any of that with a combination of fact and reason. You're simply making a claim. Further, you've ignored cited sources in order to make your unmerited dismissal, a choice that indicates that you can't address the points I've made. If you had that capability, you'd do it. | /r/MensRights | 04/04/14 09:30 PM |
| 2 | CDC is caught in a lieYou are right. Publicity is key. | /r/MensRights | 04/04/14 09:29 PM |
| 2 | CDC is caught in a lieWhich claim are you asking me to support? | /r/MensRights | 04/04/14 09:27 PM |
| 2 | CDC is caught in a lieIt was a completely surreal experience listening to one of the researchers who worked on the 2010 National Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence Survey stumble like that. I mean, the report from that survey influenced updates to VAWA, the Dear Colleague letter that ordered post secondary educational institutions across the nation to lower their standard for evidence in sexual misconduct cases on campus, and has been trotted out by feminists all over in support of campaigns holding all men (and on… | /r/MensRights | 04/04/14 09:07 PM |
| 3 | CDC is caught in a lieIf you're going to make a claim here, you need to back it with fact and reason, not just a claim. Saying "that's not the basis for rape culture" doesn't carry any weight in an argument. Cite something and describe how it demonstrates your claim. Otherwise, you're just spouting off. | /r/MensRights | 04/04/14 08:55 PM |
| 3 | CDC is caught in a lieYou attacked me when I said the rape industry were rejecting the idea that men rape by mistake six months ago. Just like you are attacking me for stating facts here again. Again, you keep saying that when it is not what the discussion was about. You made the same claims then that you are making now, and I made the same argument I'm making now. You've attempted to take the discussion several different directions in order to avoid dealing with your argument's reliance on rhetorical fallacy. Claimi… | /r/MensRights | 04/04/14 08:13 PM |
| 2 | CDC is caught in a lieNot if the CDC's lawyers convince a judge to issue a gag order, as happens when people go up against government agencies in family court. | /r/MensRights | 04/04/14 07:09 PM |
| 2 | CDC is caught in a lieProblem is that when you involve the court, you give a branch of government the power to silence you. | /r/MensRights | 04/04/14 07:08 PM |
| 2 | CDC is caught in a lieSuing a government agency probably isn't going to get a positive result, particularly not the result that society deserves. We need to exert widespread, grassroots-supported public pressure on the agency to take an evenhanded, honest approach to research on intimate partner and sexual violence so that policy will be informed by accurate information instead of hysterical feminist damseling and denial. That should begin with spreading this piece of information as far and wide as we can. | /r/MensRights | 04/04/14 03:46 PM |
| 1 | Honey Badger Radio: Rape CultureCalling an accurate analysis of your argument "strawman" doesn't get you out of addressing the rhetorical fallacy represented by your reliance on the feminist method of imposing a victim narrative on women who don't consider themselves victims, then calling everything they say against that imposition "self-blame." It only shows that you're on autopilot, spouting rhetoric you do not fully understand. | /r/MensRights | 04/04/14 03:39 PM |
| 8 | CDC is caught in a lieThere you go trying to split the discussion again. Not. Gonna. Happen. | /r/MensRights | 04/04/14 03:37 PM |
| 5 | CDC is caught in a lieThis is you projecting the characteristics of your theorizing and narrative. No, it's simply a description of the way you have been trying to promote feminist rape culture theory here. If you don't know even basic facts, your assertion and theories are pointless. I didn't state a theory, you are continuing to state theory as if its fact, and refusing to acknowledge flaws and contradictions, now you are painting your position, onto me. Again, you wouldn't know, as you have neither read nor discus… | /r/MensRights | 04/04/14 03:35 PM |
| 1 | Honey Badger Radio: Rape CultureYou keep making that claim to avoid addressing the rhetorical fallacy in your own argument, yet throughout the entire discussion, you've never been able to back either that assertion, or your original, with logic and reason. Continuing to dodge your responsibility to prove your claims is a lousy debate strategy. | /r/MensRights | 04/04/14 02:41 PM |
| 6 | CDC is caught in a lieI have some facts, that doesn't make me an expert. It's about time you admit that. You've been trying to impose your own personal interpretation of unconnected facts as connected in a meaningful way on the rape culture dialogue here long enough. So are your theories and assertions about it. You wouldn't know. You have neither read nor discussed my assertions or theories. You have merely repeated your own, over and over and over, like a scratched record with an uninterrupted electrical feed. You … | /r/MensRights | 04/04/14 02:39 PM |
| 1 | Honey Badger Radio: Rape CultureI pointed out how you talk about them as if they are the same and don't know you are talking about three different things, here I am saying it. And yet your support for feminist rape culture theory relies on connecting them with a thread of poorly constructed "logic" that isn't logic as your means of claiming validity. You still have failed to address that flaw. You're still relying on the rhetorical fallacies I pointed out to you in the beginning, by imposing a victim narrative on women who don… | /r/MensRights | 04/04/14 01:59 PM |
| 9 | CDC is caught in a lieNow that's projection. You are pretending to be an expert on rape culture, when you've merely read a few things and decided you understand something you do not. Stop trying to impose your beliefs on other MRAs. Feminist rape culture theory is a load of bullshit. | /r/MensRights | 04/04/14 01:54 PM |
| 8 | CDC is caught in a lieBoth cultures are promoted by feminists; one, an actual environment of tolerance for sexual violence, the other an imagined tolerance for sexual violence in first world societies. We can undo the former by pointing it out. The latter, based on a combination of irrational thought and political blustering, does not hold up to examination for rhetorical fallacies. Feminists have been unable to support their narrative without using inflated statistics and irrational accusations against an entire gen… | /r/MensRights | 04/04/14 01:27 PM |
| 1 | Honey Badger Radio: Rape CultureBut you did conflate them. No, I responded to your use of them as a single unit. Projection - I said there are distinctly different meanings and that you are conflating them, you denied conflating them, conflated them and accusing me of conflating them. No, you used them as a single unit in arguing that PTSD therapy is evidence that feminist rape culture theory and claims surrounding the slutwalk are valid. You can call it "shit that never happened," but it's the argument you made in presenting … | /r/MensRights | 04/04/14 01:07 PM |
| 1 | Honey Badger Radio: Rape CultureYou don't even realise you are conflating victim blaming in rape culture, "dont blame the victim" from PTSD therapy and slutwalk, and opposing victim blaming to get more people to report rapes and that those are three and different things. No, I'm not conflating them. You're depending on treating them as if there's a line of consistent meaning and implication running through them that justifies using discussion on PTSD therapy as "evidence" that feminist rape culture theory and claims surroundin… | /r/MensRights | 04/04/14 05:08 AM |
| 1 | Honey Badger Radio: Rape CultureAh here you go, you are going to start copy and pasting the same thing over and over again, and if I respond the same way twice, you will accuse me of doing what you are. Says the guy who began doing exactly that at the start of the conversation. You're still dodging. You're dodging because you can't prove that your argument doesn't rest on exactly what I've said. If you could, you'd write out a statement debunking it. You haven't because you're unable. Feminist use of the term "victim blaming" … | /r/MensRights | 03/04/14 02:26 AM |
| 36 | Psych book. Second sentence.There's some interesting info in this publication. Partner Abuse State of Knowledge Project Findings At-a-Glance The facts and stats quoted in that publication pretty clearly show that aggression towards one's partner is not a gendered behavior, but something both sexes do. Of particular interest is the discussion on bi-directional (also called reciprocal) violence, which shows that women don't just perpetrate but initiate more violence than men do, and the section below that shows that their re… | /r/MensRights | 03/04/14 02:17 AM |
| 3 | It’s Shit Like this: Feminist Professor Mercer, did you argue that child sexual abuse isn’t real?Ha - this is what you get when you only spend 10 minutes making a graphic... got the acronym right but not the name. :P | /r/MensRights | 03/04/14 01:36 AM |
| 9 | It’s Shit Like this: Feminist Professor Mercer, did you argue that child sexual abuse isn’t real?How about this? http://i.imgur.com/WFNItTD.png | /r/MensRights | 02/04/14 06:48 PM |
| 1 | Honey Badger Radio: Rape CultureSure you are - you're using it as a shield to avoid addressing that rhetorical fallacy. You've made claims, and I've countered them. It's up to you now to explain how rape culture theory and the feminist use of "victim blaming" is valid without relying on imposing a victim narrative on women who don't consider themselves victims, then calling everything they say against that imposition "self-blame." | /r/MensRights | 02/04/14 02:54 PM |
| 10 | Mens' Rights vs Feminist Rape Culture explained using Puzzle PiecesDo not try to split the discussion into two threads again. I'm not falling for that shit any more. I'll place answers in the thread under your first reply. | /r/MensRights | 02/04/14 02:48 PM |
| 1 | Honey Badger Radio: Rape CultureNo, I didn't attack you for saying RAINN would reject the idea that men rape by mistake. I argued with your assessment that feminist Rape Culture Theory is a valid theory, and that their narrative on victim blaming is made valid by the rhetorical fallacy you keep pushing. Using "conspiracy theorist" as a thought-terminating cliche isn't going to get you out of that. | /r/MensRights | 02/04/14 02:48 PM |
| 11 | Mens' Rights vs Feminist Rape Culture explained using Puzzle PiecesThis is the kind of thing we've been focusing on. Also, that's false advertising... your opinion isn't any more humble than mine is. I, the arrogant and insufferable pot, do hereby dub thee Kettle, because it takes one to know one. And I'll continue to hammer at the rhetorical fallacy that you and feminists use to treat their narrative on rape as valid until you can prove that their claims about rape culture and "victim blaming" don't rely on imposing a victim narrative on women who don't consid… | /r/MensRights | 02/04/14 02:34 PM |
| 1 | Everyone knows that feminism/men's rights has nothing to do with sex, right?Again, you haven't done your research very well. You're conflating "feminism" with "women." The two groups differ. | /r/MensRights | 02/04/14 02:23 PM |
| 2 | Honey Badger Radio: Rape CultureTRPACC, you're already doing most of that by buying into Rape Culture theory, a theory that even RAINN is now rejecting. You have bet on the wrong horse. | /r/MensRights | 02/04/14 02:23 PM |
| 1 | What are we really talking about?Yep, you could. But feminists don't base their claims on logic. | /r/MensRights | 02/04/14 02:21 PM |
| 2 | Honey Badger Radio: Rape CultureAt least you're finally admitting one thing. That's a step. | /r/MensRights | 30/03/14 02:02 AM |
| 10 | I need feminism because....Most people don't steal, and yet there is still theft. Most people don't kill others, and yet there is still murder. Most people don't drive drunk, and yet there are still DUI accidents and deaths. Most people pay their taxes, and yet there is still tax fraud. Most women don't beat their kids, and yet there is still child abuse, committed more by women than by men. This Harvard study found that the majority of male on female rape was committed by a tiny percentage of the male population. Of thei… | /r/MensRights | 28/03/14 09:57 PM |
| 1 | Honey Badger Radio: Rape CultureContinuing to attempt to use false labeling as a substitute for rational arguments isn't getting you anywhere. You can either address the flaw in your logic, or keep your head buried. It's still a matter of you wasting your own time trying to push an agenda that has no basis in reality. | /r/MensRights | 28/03/14 09:53 PM |
| 1 | Honey Badger Radio: Rape CultureDenial isn't a substitute for a rational argument. | /r/MensRights | 28/03/14 09:52 PM |
| 6 | I need feminism because....At my old job, we had a female customer we used to call the "boob lady," not because she had any, but because that's where she simply had to pat you to get your attention if you were female. My coworkers usually avoided her by hiding behind the checkout counter where she couldn't reach, but my job usually had me out on the floor, so I got tapped on the boobs (and mine are nothing to write home about) a lot. It didn't bother me, but it was obvious that it was intentional, and that irritated me, s… | /r/MensRights | 28/03/14 09:22 PM |
| 1 | Honey Badger Radio: Rape CultureSaid the iron pot to the copper kettle. Projection doesn't erase what you're doing. It only shows you're not rational. | /r/MensRights | 28/03/14 09:05 PM |
| 1 | Honey Badger Radio: Rape CultureContinuing to bluster and dodge doesn't help your argument. It only makes you look unable to handle the discussion. You've been dodging the same information for essentially 6 months using nothing but thought-terminating cliches and argument tactics straight out of junior high. I've already proved that feminist use of PTSD treatment is invalid by showing the backward thinking used to "justify" it. It's your responsibility to demonstrate that there's a different path to your claim of validity than… | /r/MensRights | 28/03/14 09:04 PM |
| 3 | UPDATE #2: I'm about to give up. I'm not sure I can keep this up for another 10+ years. (It's FINALLY Over... for now.)That's very consistent with what I've seen in other long term cases like this. I've seen women get caught in bald-faced lies on the stand, and the judge and prosecutor didn't bat an eyelash over it. Even right down to the numbness... relief at having someone finally listen is tempered by the knowledge that the psychotic ex isn't rational enough to be likely to take the judicial hint and stop lying. War is the right word for this, because you're dealing with repeated attacks and attempts at strat… | /r/MensRights | 28/03/14 08:44 PM |
| 1 | Honey Badger Radio: Rape CultureCiting a rhetorical fallacy only works if you understand the definition of that fallacy. A strawman argument is a reply made to an argument not presented, especially when you follow it up with one of your own. I have replied to exactly what you have said. Continuing your bullheaded attempts to weasel out of addressing the flaw in your argument only shows that you're more dedicated to your argument than you are to rational thought. Again, until you can clearly demonstrate how you get from your pr… | /r/MensRights | 28/03/14 08:44 PM |
| 1 | Honey Badger Radio: Rape CultureNo, I showed you that "don't blame the victim" is normal for ptsd treatment including the military, and not some conspiracy by unseen feminists to provide idiots with a silencing tactic. Again, have not demonstrated a connection between feminist use of the diagnosis and application of the treatment methods that doesn't rely on on imposing victim status on women who don't consider themselves victims and then calling everything they say against that imposition "self-blame." That's not a conspiracy… | /r/MensRights | 28/03/14 08:39 PM |
| 3 | UPDATE #2: I'm about to give up. I'm not sure I can keep this up for another 10+ years. (It's FINALLY Over... for now.)One more thing, from the perspective of a kid who saw Mom and Dad sacrifice over and over for me and my brother growing up, and a stepmom who watched the stepkids figure out their Mom clue by clue: Your kid will understand more and more as he gets older just how hard you had to fight for his welfare. You have no idea just yet how much this is going to mean to him when he starts putting two and two together. I know that's not why you're doing this, because the first concern is his current welfare… | /r/MensRights | 28/03/14 08:08 PM |
| 3 | UPDATE #2: I'm about to give up. I'm not sure I can keep this up for another 10+ years. (It's FINALLY Over... for now.)That's exactly what my friends who have faced ordeals with malicious prosecution have experienced. The two who have gone through the longest-term ordeals (one 7 years followed by inept harassment attempts, the other over 10 years and counting) both have lasting effects from the stress, with both of them showing symptoms associated with PTSD. Doing that to a person should be a criminal offense that when proved, should carry a jail sentence or justify institutionalizing the vexatious litigant, dep… | /r/MensRights | 28/03/14 07:56 PM |
| 7 | UPDATE #2: I'm about to give up. I'm not sure I can keep this up for another 10+ years. (It's FINALLY Over... for now.)It can end well, but it may not end easily, considering what you're dealing with. I've seen women like this treat court orders like tissue paper. Things to watch out for if she's accusing you of abusive behavior: Bias in the workers at the visitation center You'll see that in the way they evaluate her behavior, and yours. In a case with which I had some involvement, the center's staff included staff members from the local women's shelter network, who listed an abusive ex-wife's cancellation of v… | /r/MensRights | 28/03/14 01:47 PM |
| 1 | Honey Badger Radio: Rape CultureContinuing to bury your head in the sand and trying to claim that the concepts described in my post didn't exist before I pointed them out is ludicrous. I've provided links in the post to sources which provide definitions for and examples of both Begging the Question and Affirming the Consequent, the two rhetorical fallacies on which you base the connection between feminist rape culture and PTSD treatment in war veterans. The argument you presented to me relies on on imposing victim status on wo… | /r/MensRights | 28/03/14 01:20 PM |
| 3 | Honey Badger Radio: Rape Cultureby feminism's appropriation and misapplication of research into the you mean the hyperbolic sjw's and trolls shouting victim blamer at people. Nope, I mean exactly the argument YOU presented, which you laid out in a way that, without relying on on imposing victim status on women who don't consider themselves victims and then calling everything they say against that imposition "self-blame," boils down to: PTSD in war veterans ??? Rape culture You are as usual confusing a cheap rhetorical trick us… | /r/MensRights | 28/03/14 01:14 PM |
| 1 | Everyone knows that feminism/men's rights has nothing to do with sex, right?You're not talking about feminism any more. Generalization is the basis for their claims about sex. | /r/MensRights | 28/03/14 01:07 PM |
| 3 | Can we have a serious discussion about Academia?Argue with the information, not the source. If all you have is an attack on the source, then the information stands. However, be ready to offer some serious counterevidence, because in researching funding of feminist endeavors, I found more than one source on this. You won't like this one any better. >_< http://capitalresearch.org/2004/06/the-ford-foundations-international-agenda-supports-palestinian-feminist-and-population-control-groups/ or this one http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/Articles/… | /r/MensRights | 28/03/14 01:06 PM |
| -2 | Can we have a serious discussion about Academia?Feminism's foothold in academia was funded by what they'd call agents of the patriarchy. | /r/MensRights | 28/03/14 06:14 AM |
| 0 | Honey Badger Radio: Rape CultureYour belief in the validity of feminism's appropriation and misapplication of research into the treatment of war veterans rests on logical fallacy you refuse to address. Until you can demonstrate a reason for accepting that narrative that doesn't rely on imposing victim status on women who don't consider themselves victims and then calling everything they say against that imposition "self-blame," you have no argument. | /r/MensRights | 27/03/14 11:54 PM |
| 3 | Honey Badger Radio: Rape CultureAgain, you're dodging by claiming that the process of critical thinking, a concept that has developed over centuries, is of my creation. You cannot weasel out of addressing the rhetorical fallacies in your argument by pretending a well-known concept was invented by the individual you're trying to counter. Try again. | /r/MensRights | 27/03/14 11:48 PM |
| 2 | Honey Badger Radio: Rape CultureYou are still failing to address the logic flaws in your argument on Rape culture. When you address what I've pointed out to you previously - that your argument on rape culture theory relies on rhetorical fallacies instead of logic, and therefore the information on which you're basing your belief doesn't support it - there will be something to discuss. Until you quit with the bullheaded loyalty to that area of feminist dogma (and it is dogma) there is nothing to discuss. | /r/MensRights | 27/03/14 09:48 PM |
| 3 | In a 9-0 decision, SCOTUS upholds gun ban for anyone who had pleaded guilty to at least a misdemeanor charge of domestic violence, even in cases in which there was no proof of violent acts or physicalUnderstanding that takes more common sense than the "nerf everything" crowd can handle. | /r/MensRights | 27/03/14 09:36 PM |
| 1 | What does being a male rights activist mean to you?Good point - that is a regular effort here as well. | /r/MensRights | 27/03/14 09:24 PM |
| 1 | What does being a male rights activist mean to you?Thanks :) I've been keeping an eye for a bit. | /r/MensRights | 27/03/14 09:23 PM |
| 2 | I want to helpThere's actually a lot you can do without money. There's always going to be a need to spread awareness, and there's always going to be a need to counter disinformation because there are actually people opposed to the concept and reality of men's rights. If you're comfortable doing so, one way to help is sharing existing information about men's issues with the people you know, both online and off. Another is writing to media sources, and also commenting on stories that relate to men's issues, so … | /r/MensRights | 27/03/14 11:39 AM |
| 1 | Everyone knows that feminism/men's rights has nothing to do with sex, right?The NAFALT (not all feminists are like that) argument doesn't carry any weight here. You haven't done your research very well. | /r/MensRights | 27/03/14 11:19 AM |
| 1 | What does being a male rights activist mean to you?Of course, but I think it's about time to start calling them on it in various ways. Pointing out the laziness of this type of post is one of them. | /r/MensRights | 27/03/14 11:18 AM |
| 6 | What does being a male rights activist mean to you?Why don't you take a look at some of the replies when your question was asked, differently worded, earlier today? It's easier than all of us repeating ourselves every time someone comes in and repeats the same question we've seen at least once, often twice a week for years. http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/21em1l/so_what_do_you_guys_represent_exactly/ | /r/MensRights | 27/03/14 02:31 AM |
| 1 | I posted this in /r/askreddit please add your opinionOh, I bet. There have been people in the past who have sent me a few nastygrams, especially when I was writing blow-by-blow articles on Gather.com about a friend's malicious prosecution ordeal at the hands of his ex-wife, a vexatious litigant whose victims include him, her best friend, her second husband, and even her own grandmother. The local women's shelter she was scamming for assistance got wind of my writing, and flamed the articles, then flagged the articles down and began PMing me. That'… | /r/MensRights | 27/03/14 01:48 AM |
| 1 | My place of work does not allow male employees to have any visible piercings while female employees are allowed earrings. Is this sexist or am I looking too far into it?Yes, it's sexist. The code orange policy is also sexist, and frankly that deserves a challenge first if you're going to do anything. A medical facility where patients can panic or otherwise have reason to become combative should have staff specifically trained to deal with that situation, and that shouldn't be limited by sex. You writing about the two together reminds me that when I worked in nursing homes, the policy was no loose hanging jewelry or piercings that stuck out from the body far eno… | /r/MensRights | 26/03/14 03:43 PM |
| 1 | Everyone knows that feminism/men's rights has nothing to do with sex, right?Basically, there is no difference between feminism and men's rights. We're both fighting for gender equality. There's where you're wrong. Feminism is not fighting for gender equality. Feminism is a political movement combined with an ideology of hate that uses women as a shield against criticism of their political maneuvering, and a wedge to ease in acceptance of the law and policy they promote, especially the breakdown of due process rights in the U.S., which they've been working on for approxi… | /r/MensRights | 26/03/14 03:36 PM |
| 8 | So what do you guys represent exactly?You guys get a lot of bad press from my neck of the woods, usually there are claims such as: they want to disenfranchise/oppress women, they are the male counterpart of modern feminists (fabricating grievances and saying society needs to change to amend them) or that you are a bunch of insecure losers who are just bitter with women (I guess this would fit into the second charge also). Feminists who oppose the men's rights movement have deliberately promoted those misconceptions for a few years. … | /r/MensRights | 26/03/14 03:27 PM |
| 6 | NAFALT..... It Has Its ReasonsFirst of all, Don't conflate women with feminism. The two groups are not the same. There are plenty of antifeminist women. I happen to be one. Second, don't excuse the grassroots of a hate movement just because you like what they say about themselves. Maybe instead of dismissing this claim outright, treat for the banal argument its is that more often than not sidetracks the issue at hand. We don't just dismiss it outright. We've provided point after point after point explaining why it's a basele… | /r/MensRights | 26/03/14 03:00 PM |
| 2 | Action Opportunity: Stevie is a four year old girl, who may be endangered of HHS funded corruption. Urge the HHS and USDOJ to investigate!Done. | /r/MensRights | 26/03/14 02:22 PM |
| 5 | LA bills SB291 & SB292 if these bills pass, it'll be easier to allege that your spouse is a domestic abuser and tack on what are essentially "domestic abuser punitive payments" WHETHER OR NOT CRIMThe reality is that feminists use both sides of the aisle. While it's true that the left has been more in line with most of their endeavors, they've used the right when it comes to treating an ex-husband or estranged father like a walking wallet, all under the guise of preventing the expense of supporting single moms from falling on the state. VAWA was a democrat bill; its original incarnation was introduced by Vice President (though at the time, a senator) John Edwards. The child support stipul… | /r/MensRights | 26/03/14 02:05 AM |
| 2 | LA bills SB291 & SB292 if these bills pass, it'll be easier to allege that your spouse is a domestic abuser and tack on what are essentially "domestic abuser punitive payments" WHETHER OR NOT CRIMOther laws like it are still in effect. (PDF) | /r/MensRights | 26/03/14 01:58 AM |
| 0 | I posted this in /r/askreddit please add your opinionOf course it doesn't matter; but it was interesting to have my expectation confirmed so quickly. It took her a lot longer to actually bite. I've answered with a link that outs me as an MRA, but it should be an interesting read for her. | /r/MensRights | 26/03/14 01:43 AM |
| 0 | I posted this in /r/askreddit please add your opinionCommented. Was of course, immediately downvoted, but the comment was kinda targeted for that purpose. I don't know if the feminist I answered fully got it, but she got it enough to knee-jerk react. | /r/MensRights | 25/03/14 10:58 PM |
| 2 | How you can help make our subreddit betterThat's not a new idea, but of course, whenever there's an effort to do something to help men and boys, guess who opposes it! | /r/MensRights | 25/03/14 08:19 PM |
| 2 | How you can help make our subreddit betterLike many in the sub, I see value in using women behaving badly posts inasmuch as they relate to issues like gender disparity in social responses to conflict or crime, in the wording of law, in law enforcement, and in the judicial system's response (both criminal and family court). They're also valuable as counters to the claim that certain behaviors are male behaviors, or are rare in women, especially when multiple examples can be found (as in intimate partner and sexual violence, where we've s… | /r/MensRights | 25/03/14 04:04 PM |
| 3 | Need helpThis has a few hallmarks of a troll post - it seems tailored to trigger an emotional reaction by presenting a classic what-if spermjacking scenario; girl "on pill" gets pregnant to trap guy who broke up with her. It's classic because it gets discussed a lot, but it gets discussed a lot because it happens, so I'll bite: First, don't assume that because she tells you she's pregnant that she actually is, especially if she's using the claim to manipulate you, or if she's asking you for abortion mone… | /r/MensRights | 25/03/14 01:50 PM |
| 1 | Nice activismIt is not always traumatic to the individual according to feminist research. Mary Koss's study found that a high percentage of the women whose experiences met the feminist definition of rape weren't traumatized. You are using begging the question as your "logic" here, arguing points that you have not proved. This illustrates my argument rather than countering it. | /r/MensRights | 24/03/14 02:36 AM |
| 1 | Tumblrina: An 8 year old can consent to sex because he's MALENo, feminists are petty when they treat a mere glance as a form of sexual violence and cite it as evidence of an a cultural attitude toward women. It's not petty to point out that saying rape isn't rape if the victim is male is sexist. It would not be petty to point that out if it were said about female victims. That's the truly sick thing about people who try to pretend to be moderates. They're the stick that extremists use to nudge public perception of the middle ground on an issue closer and … | /r/MensRights | 23/03/14 02:05 AM |
| 1 | The End of Rape Culture - A curious thing is happening at the National Post right now.You're still doing it - using the argument that contains the very same flaws I've pointed out repeatedly, and strawmanning my argument to avoid addressing the flaw in yours. There's no point in continuing this discussion until you do that. | /r/MensRights | 23/03/14 01:58 AM |
| 19 | Tumblrina: An 8 year old can consent to sex because he's MALEWhen feminism wants to focus on every instance where they feel someone has been anti-female in thought, word, or deed, they call that a cultural issue; treat it as a sign of systematic institutionalized oppression of women, accuse people of "microaggressions," and generally whine that OMG, life isn't fucking fair for women. When someone points out a particularly disgusting example of damaging sexism against men, then suddenly it doesn't matter, it's whiny and petty, it's just an isolated example… | /r/MensRights | 21/03/14 10:31 PM |
| 1 | Jessica Valinti having a Melt Down over RAINN White House Report denoucing 'Rape Culture' on twitter: @JessicaValenti [Let's stand up for Men & Boys by supporting RAINN's Position]Again, I have only the same reply to this comment as to your other comment. There is no point in you making the same claim in two threads. | /r/MensRights | 21/03/14 10:18 PM |
| 1 | The End of Rape Culture - A curious thing is happening at the National Post right now.You keep stating your opinion as though it may be taken for granted as fact. It can't. You must prove that before you can base your arguments on it. You haven't done that. You've finagled, fussed, nagged, dodged, and denied, but you have not made a solid, logic-grounded argument. It's your responsibility as a debater to back your claims with logic that connects the information you're presenting with the conclusions you're stating. Until you can do that, there's nothing more to talk about. | /r/MensRights | 21/03/14 10:16 PM |
| 1 | Critically important TIME article -- but the backlash is starting. Let your voice be heardThey might not have the % for whatever reason. No, if they have a number, and they have reporting on perpetration by gender, there's a %. It's not that they don't have it. It's that they're choosing to not report it. I personally think feminism can focus on women if it wants The argument isn't just that feminism focuses on women. It's that feminist activists strive to erase men's issues from public discourse wherever female behavior is implicated as a cause (such as female perpetration of intima… | /r/MensRights | 21/03/14 10:14 PM |
| 1 | The End of Rape Culture - A curious thing is happening at the National Post right now.Again, you're repeating yourself instead of addressing the argument, so again I'll refer you back to the discussion at hand. | /r/MensRights | 21/03/14 06:36 PM |
| 1 | Jessica Valinti having a Melt Down over RAINN White House Report denoucing 'Rape Culture' on twitter: @JessicaValenti [Let's stand up for Men & Boys by supporting RAINN's Position]Then we are in agreement that don't blame the victim isn't about what mra's think its about No, we're not, because you're conflating the feminist use of "don't blame the victim" with non-feminist use. The two are not the same thing. And I see that you are unable to succinctly prove that their usage isn't based on the rhetorical fallacies I cited. You can't counter my argument against feminist ideological warping and misapplication of existing concepts, so you're strawmanning it as an argument ag… | /r/MensRights | 21/03/14 06:35 PM |
| 2 | Serious question--what is r/mensrights stance on feminism? I truly am confused, and want to try to understand a little better.While nobody is going to be able to speak for the movement as a whole as you're asking, I can tell you I've expressed my thoughts on feminism's track record in a multi-comment statement in another thread. | /r/MensRights | 21/03/14 05:11 PM |
| 1 | The End of Rape Culture - A curious thing is happening at the National Post right now.I'll refer you back to my answer here, since you're repeating yourself. | /r/MensRights | 21/03/14 05:06 PM |
| 1 | Jessica Valinti having a Melt Down over RAINN White House Report denoucing 'Rape Culture' on twitter: @JessicaValenti [Let's stand up for Men & Boys by supporting RAINN's Position]You've just replied to "Factor A has characteristic B" with "Succinctly prove that Factor C has characteristic B." That's a strawman. I have not said that PTSD treatment itself was designed for hyperbolic activists to use as a silencing tactic, but that feminist theory was. PTSD treatment isn't feminist theory, and feminist appropriation of the terms uses a twisted, misapplied version of them. So now I'm at the point of "I asked you first." I'll mirror your language, for convenience sake. Succin… | /r/MensRights | 21/03/14 05:05 PM |
| 1 | Jessica Valinti having a Melt Down over RAINN White House Report denoucing 'Rape Culture' on twitter: @JessicaValenti [Let's stand up for Men & Boys by supporting RAINN's Position]Continuing to level a baseless accusation doesn't get you out of responsibility for proving your argument without the use of rhetorical fallacy. It only shows that you can't do it. You aren't making a point by repeating a false claim and then accusing the other side of the debate of wrongfully rejecting it. All you are doing at this point is trying to squirm out from under the light revealing that flaw in your argument. | /r/MensRights | 21/03/14 04:39 PM |
| 1 | Nice activismYou keep saying that when the evidence that your argument is the one being addressed is right here in the thread. That's an irrational approach. | /r/MensRights | 21/03/14 04:36 PM |
| 1 | The End of Rape Culture - A curious thing is happening at the National Post right now.It only relies on fallacies in the strawman you created. It relies on fallacies in the argument you presented. And yes, activists have being using it as a battering ram, platform and silencing tactic. That's because that's what they created it for. That doesn't change the actual meaning behind it. That is the actual meaning behind it. Feminism is characterized by what it does, not what it says, the same as every other hate movement that humanity has endured. Every single one of them had creative… | /r/MensRights | 21/03/14 04:35 PM |
| 1 | Nice activismNo, I demonstrated that the claims you've made about feminist terms and their implications rely on rhetorical fallacy, and you've been unable to demonstrate that they don't. To claim otherwise, you need to show a solid line of reasoning, which you haven't. | /r/MensRights | 21/03/14 04:30 PM |
| 1 | The End of Rape Culture - A curious thing is happening at the National Post right now.Here, you're back to repeating the claim that isn't backed by the information you presented because the thought process connecting the two relies on rhetorical fallacies. It's not a feminist invention, and feminists aren't using it accurately; they've bastardized it and twisted it into something dishonest by applying the concepts outside of the perimeters of their definitions without a rationally stated, logic-supported reason. | /r/MensRights | 21/03/14 04:29 PM |
| 1 | Jessica Valinti having a Melt Down over RAINN White House Report denoucing 'Rape Culture' on twitter: @JessicaValenti [Let's stand up for Men & Boys by supporting RAINN's Position]How would you know - you didn't actually take the time to read before responding. | /r/MensRights | 21/03/14 04:22 PM |
| 1 | The End of Rape Culture - A curious thing is happening at the National Post right now.Again you have linked to your own strawman and conflated the meaning of victim blaming with the fact that its also used as hyperbole and a thought terminating cliche. Again, you're failing to deal with the rhetorical fallacy in your argument, which treats feminist promulgation on rape as if it is parallel to treatment of war veterans suffering PTSD, but doesn't contain the logic you need to back up the comparison. Continuing to use the term "strawman" to describe an argument against an argument … | /r/MensRights | 21/03/14 04:22 PM |
| 1 | Nice activismAgain, you're blustering. My comments in this thread and the post I linked you to in another comment clearly demonstrate that what you've said here isn't true. If you can't be honest enough to deal with that, you have no business criticizing anyone else's debate methods. | /r/MensRights | 21/03/14 04:17 PM |
| 1 | Jessica Valinti having a Melt Down over RAINN White House Report denoucing 'Rape Culture' on twitter: @JessicaValenti [Let's stand up for Men & Boys by supporting RAINN's Position]I've pointed out repeatedly that your information doesn't support your claim. Right. In order to support your dogma. Do you not see how cultish you sound? Let's make this as simple as humanly possible. You have claimed that the feminist use of the term "victim blaming" is related to PTSD treatment. I have demonstrated that your information doesn't support that conclusion because to connect feminist "victim blaming" claims to PTSD treatment, you have to use two rhetorical fallacies. With the trai… | /r/MensRights | 21/03/14 04:14 PM |
| 1 | The End of Rape Culture - A curious thing is happening at the National Post right now.I didn't say that. In a way, yes, you did, because you're making the unsupported claim that your argument is what you say it is, and that its being that is the reason why you're right - which is another example of begging the question. You're assuming your conclusion as you state it. You say you are trying to make MRAs stronger debaters, but you are using weak debate tactics in your attempt. That's not productive. That's a consistent problem with you in this discussion. You presume true things t… | /r/MensRights | 21/03/14 04:05 PM |
| 1 | Nice activismYou are demanding that I take your hyperbolic, unsupported theories about theories seriously. This, again, is projection. You're demanding that I ignore rhetorical fallacy in your line of reasoning. You're not unable to address the description of how your reasoning is flawed because there's anything hyperbolic about "your reasoning to connect your information relies on begging the question and affirming the consequent." You "can't" do it because you can't bring yourself to admit to being wrong. … | /r/MensRights | 21/03/14 03:55 PM |
| 1 | Jessica Valinti having a Melt Down over RAINN White House Report denoucing 'Rape Culture' on twitter: @JessicaValenti [Let's stand up for Men & Boys by supporting RAINN's Position]No, I'm not refusing to accept facts. I've pointed out repeatedly that your information doesn't support your claim. You have not proved that it does. When asked to do so, you offer more information that doesn't support your claim. Just citing information doesn't make a claim stronger. There has to be a solid reason why the information indicates the conclusion you're attributing to it. You don't have that, and you're using blustering, repetition, denial, and baseless accusations as a substitute f… | /r/MensRights | 21/03/14 03:52 PM |
| 1 | The End of Rape Culture - A curious thing is happening at the National Post right now.You say "My argument doesn't need examining because I think it's this." and then think you have any business using words like "dogma" to describe others. How can you not see what you are doing? Rhetorical fallacies are flaws in logic that are noted in the process of critical thought as solid reasons to reject a conclusion. Critical thought is not a theory I invented, but has been around for centuries. Continuing to ignore the implications of applying it to your own thought process is an act of f… | /r/MensRights | 21/03/14 03:50 PM |
| 1 | Nice activismYou're attempting to sell your irrational argument to the sub by nagging. You've refused to examine your own thought process, which is an arrogant and foolish choice, and you're making claims that the information you're citing doesn't back up. That isn't "make effective arguments." It's "I've bought into this and I'm going to push it until you do, too." You have no business considering your argument any kind of high ground until you address the rhetorical fallacies in it. | /r/MensRights | 21/03/14 03:35 PM |
| 1 | Jessica Valinti having a Melt Down over RAINN White House Report denoucing 'Rape Culture' on twitter: @JessicaValenti [Let's stand up for Men & Boys by supporting RAINN's Position]No, I'm calling you a troll because you're replying without contributing anything to the discussion. | /r/MensRights | 21/03/14 03:32 PM |
| 1 | The End of Rape Culture - A curious thing is happening at the National Post right now.A reply that I've made in reply to your repeated blustering and refusal to examine your own argument, yes. My reply isn't going to change just because you're complaining that I'm replying to the same bullshit with the same answer. You should know better than that. | /r/MensRights | 21/03/14 03:32 PM |
| 5 | Critically important TIME article -- but the backlash is starting. Let your voice be heardThe CDC could honestly rebut this by releasing numbers that show the percentage of male respondents who reported being made to penetrate by either sex in 2010. They have steadfastly refused to do that. They talked all the way around the concept, but have kept those numbers secret from the general public. Feminists attempt to use claims that female on male perpetration in both intimate partner and domestic violence are rare in comparison to male perpetration as an excuse to fight against efforts … | /r/MensRights | 21/03/14 03:30 PM |
| 8 | Critically important TIME article -- but the backlash is starting. Let your voice be heardThe CDC also says it's not rape when a man is raped by a woman. They've admitted to manipulating the data, then released it under stipulations that nobody but gender issues researchers, likely to manipulate it the same way as they did, can have it. The credibility of the claim that the data was misinterpreted is questionable. If the CDC really had evidence to counter that graphic, they should release that to the general public in its raw form so that others don't have to rely on claims from rese… | /r/MensRights | 21/03/14 01:06 PM |
| 1 | Nice activismYou don't seem to realise that that are responses to your repetition of the same thing. Again, projection. If you're going to repeatedly stake your claims on the rhetorical fallacy I've pointed out in your self-described thought process without addressing that fallacy, then all you're going to get from me is the demand that you address that fallacy. There's no point in further addressing your claims if you are going to be bullheaded about sticking to them even when they've been debunked. I see y… | /r/MensRights | 21/03/14 12:38 PM |
| 1 | Jessica Valinti having a Melt Down over RAINN White House Report denoucing 'Rape Culture' on twitter: @JessicaValenti [Let's stand up for Men & Boys by supporting RAINN's Position]Just like you are do, and happens in our areas. Again, that's a claim you haven't backed up, just something you're stating repeatedly. My assertions are backed by fact and logic. Your assertions are "backed" by using rhetorical fallacy to pretend your information supports a conclusion it does not support. | /r/MensRights | 21/03/14 12:35 PM |
| 1 | The End of Rape Culture - A curious thing is happening at the National Post right now.So, you can repeat the same thing over and over, and when I start repeating the same responses to your repetitive responses, you accuse me of doing what what you are doing. Again, that's projection. You're using repetition and blustering to avoid addressing the fact that your assertion is based on using two rhetorical fallacies to draw your conclusion from your information. | /r/MensRights | 21/03/14 12:34 PM |
| 1 | Nice activismAgain with the denial, blustering and repetition, while continually failing to address the flaws in your argument... that cements your lack of credibility. | /r/MensRights | 20/03/14 10:13 PM |
| 1 | Jessica Valinti having a Melt Down over RAINN White House Report denoucing 'Rape Culture' on twitter: @JessicaValenti [Let's stand up for Men & Boys by supporting RAINN's Position]As I said, it's been pointed out that your information doesn't support your conclusion. Continued denial, blustering and repetition, while continually failing to address that is of no use. For the record, all 3 areas you've cited are media in which feminists combine real information with conclusions the information doesn't support. Manboobz in particular has made a style out of using half-truths and irrational leaps to create false conclusions from real information. Your supposition that any sou… | /r/MensRights | 20/03/14 10:13 PM |
| 1 | The End of Rape Culture - A curious thing is happening at the National Post right now.Again with the denial, blustering and repetition, while continually failing to address the flaws in your argument... that cements your lack of credibility. | /r/MensRights | 20/03/14 10:12 PM |
| 2 | Jessica Valinti having a Melt Down over RAINN White House Report denoucing 'Rape Culture' on twitter: @JessicaValenti [Let's stand up for Men & Boys by supporting RAINN's Position]Continuing to bluster isn't helping your case. It's merely showing you to be a troll. | /r/MensRights | 20/03/14 10:11 PM |
| 1 | Nice activismAgain, denial and blustering don't make sound arguments. Until you can address those flaws, your statements have no value. | /r/MensRights | 20/03/14 10:10 PM |
| 2 | Jessica Valinti having a Melt Down over RAINN White House Report denoucing 'Rape Culture' on twitter: @JessicaValenti [Let's stand up for Men & Boys by supporting RAINN's Position]No, you made a claim, then offered information that doesn't support it, and instead of dealing with that, you've blustered and repeated yourself throughout this and other threads. | /r/MensRights | 20/03/14 10:10 PM |
| 1 | The End of Rape Culture - A curious thing is happening at the National Post right now.Again with the denial, blustering and repetition, while continually failing to address the flaws in your argument... that cements your lack of credibility. | /r/MensRights | 20/03/14 10:04 PM |
| 1 | Jessica Valinti having a Melt Down over RAINN White House Report denoucing 'Rape Culture' on twitter: @JessicaValenti [Let's stand up for Men & Boys by supporting RAINN's Position]This is all you have, isn't it? Blustering and repeating your bullshit when you can't handle the information presented to you hasn't gotten you anywhere. Continuing to do it shows that you are nothing but a troll here. | /r/MensRights | 20/03/14 10:02 PM |
| 1 | Nice activismThis is yet another example of you substituting bluster and repetition for any kind of rational discussion. Your effort is worthless until you address the flaws in your argument. | /r/MensRights | 20/03/14 10:01 PM |
| 2 | Jessica Valinti having a Melt Down over RAINN White House Report denoucing 'Rape Culture' on twitter: @JessicaValenti [Let's stand up for Men & Boys by supporting RAINN's Position]Continuing to repeat yourself is not an argument; it's the behavior of a stubborn, spoiled child. You have no credibility until you address the flaws in your argument. | /r/MensRights | 20/03/14 10:00 PM |
| 2 | Jessica Valinti having a Melt Down over RAINN White House Report denoucing 'Rape Culture' on twitter: @JessicaValenti [Let's stand up for Men & Boys by supporting RAINN's Position]Right, 6 months ago when I told you the way it was being approached Still continuing with dishonesty, I see. That was not the discussion; we talked about enthusiastic consent, and you attempted to use exactly the same pro-feminist-theory arguments you're using here. Getting sucked into feminist ideology is not going to help male victims. Adopting feminist theory isn't going to help male victims. Feminism is the reason why the plight of male victims of female violence, both sexual and intimate pa… | /r/MensRights | 20/03/14 09:59 PM |
| 1 | Jessica Valinti having a Melt Down over RAINN White House Report denoucing 'Rape Culture' on twitter: @JessicaValenti [Let's stand up for Men & Boys by supporting RAINN's Position]That you would cite a crowdsourced junk site in response to an article by a renowned feminist researcher and expect to be taken seriously is astoundingly presumptuous. Your list does not describe toxic masculinity, but a toxic response to men by others. It's not men who cause themselves to be shamed for seeking help. It's women. It's women who expect men to not be emotionally vulnerable. It's women who expect men to be macho. Attempting to treat female mistreatment of men as a male behavior is c… | /r/MensRights | 20/03/14 09:48 PM |
| 1 | The End of Rape Culture - A curious thing is happening at the National Post right now.Sure, calling you out on 1) being full of shit, and 2) attempting to use bluster and repetition to cover your lack of logic and reason. | /r/MensRights | 20/03/14 09:40 PM |
| 1 | Nice activismDenial isn't an argument. This isn't a Pee-Wee Herman movie. If you want to be taken remotely seriously, back your claim that your information supports your conclusion by providing a solid line of logic connecting the two. You have been unable to do that. Step 1: Rape culture theory Step 2: ??? Step 3: Profit is not a solid line of logic. | /r/MensRights | 20/03/14 09:36 PM |
| 2 | Jessica Valinti having a Melt Down over RAINN White House Report denoucing 'Rape Culture' on twitter: @JessicaValenti [Let's stand up for Men & Boys by supporting RAINN's Position]In demonstrating that you're unable to actually address the points made, you show yet again that you're more invested in believing your claims than in examining them. | /r/MensRights | 20/03/14 09:35 PM |
| 2 | Jessica Valinti having a Melt Down over RAINN White House Report denoucing 'Rape Culture' on twitter: @JessicaValenti [Let's stand up for Men & Boys by supporting RAINN's Position]I didn't spout feminist rhetoric, I correct the wild and inaccurate claims that are made about feminist rhetoric and urge for more effective arguments. And I don't fart - I gently emit a lightly scented breeze from my ass. You didn't take me seriously 6 months ago when I told you rape culture was on it last legs because of liask either, yet here we are. No, 6 months ago I didn't take your argument that the rape culture of feminist imagining is a valid and demonstrable theory because just like no… | /r/MensRights | 20/03/14 09:34 PM |
| 2 | Jessica Valinti having a Melt Down over RAINN White House Report denoucing 'Rape Culture' on twitter: @JessicaValenti [Let's stand up for Men & Boys by supporting RAINN's Position]So far, you haven't actually backed up a single claim I've seen you make. You simply spout feminist rhetoric and expect MRAs to adopt it. You just need to find out what they are saying, and debunk that I've done that in discussion with you repeatedly. You gloss over it, ignore the impact and implication of it, and continue to repeat the argument that has been debunked without addressing the flaws I've pointed out. That's an asinine way of arguing. You continue to accuse MRAs of making up their a… | /r/MensRights | 20/03/14 09:11 PM |
| 2 | Jessica Valinti having a Melt Down over RAINN White House Report denoucing 'Rape Culture' on twitter: @JessicaValenti [Let's stand up for Men & Boys by supporting RAINN's Position]If the agenda is just to get men arrested regardless of whether they raped or not, prove it you fantasist. Attempting to use insulting language to draw out a response is a sign of a weak intellect. Regardless, all one has to do is look at the progression of feminist advocacy wherein they've continually attacked the right of an accused to present evidence in court, the presumption of innocence, and now reliance on the legal system for justice. At this point, they've successfully lobbied for law t… | /r/MensRights | 20/03/14 08:59 PM |
| 1 | The End of Rape Culture - A curious thing is happening at the National Post right now.Rewording my own statement doesn't change its meaning. Again, you demonstrate that you're too invested in believing your own bullshit to rationally evaluate your claims. | /r/MensRights | 20/03/14 08:47 PM |
| 1 | Jessica Valinti having a Melt Down over RAINN White House Report denoucing 'Rape Culture' on twitter: @JessicaValenti [Let's stand up for Men & Boys by supporting RAINN's Position]No, I haven't said any of that. Lying doesn't help your argument. On the other hand, the characteristics attributed to the term "toxic masculinity" are genderless. | /r/MensRights | 20/03/14 08:47 PM |
| 1 | Nice activismYou're using projection again to excuse a false argument that is based on logic demonstrated to be flawed. You continuing to put forth an argument that has already been debunked demonstrates that what I've said about your reason for making the argument is true; you're too invested in believing it to make a rational evaluation of it. | /r/MensRights | 20/03/14 08:41 PM |
| 1 | Jessica Valinti having a Melt Down over RAINN White House Report denoucing 'Rape Culture' on twitter: @JessicaValenti [Let's stand up for Men & Boys by supporting RAINN's Position]How can you advocate what you do not do? | /r/MensRights | 20/03/14 02:29 AM |
| 3 | Jessica Valinti having a Melt Down over RAINN White House Report denoucing 'Rape Culture' on twitter: @JessicaValenti [Let's stand up for Men & Boys by supporting RAINN's Position]They are expanding the definitions to get more money and arrest more rapists. No, they are expanding the definitions to get more men arrested and convicted, regardless of whether they are in fact guilty of rape, or not. At the same time, they're hiding data which indicates that women may be equally (or even more) rapey. | /r/MensRights | 20/03/14 02:13 AM |
| 1 | The End of Rape Culture - A curious thing is happening at the National Post right now.You're using a false dichotomy here; treating a circumstance as either or when it is not. The either or is "Either X circumstance exists for both men and women as claimed by MRAs and feminists, or it exists for neither men nor women." The flaw in this is that you assume that if it is true that society tolerates the rape of men because men are presumed to always want sex, then it must also be true that society tolerates the rape of women because men are presumed to always want sex. The two issues… | /r/MensRights | 20/03/14 02:08 AM |
| 1 | Jessica Valinti having a Melt Down over RAINN White House Report denoucing 'Rape Culture' on twitter: @JessicaValenti [Let's stand up for Men & Boys by supporting RAINN's Position]Toxic masculinity is the phrase feminist "researchers" use to attribute genderless dysfunctional behaviors to masculinity, ignoring that women exhibit the same behaviors. Attributing genderless dysfunction to one's gender is an act of demonization of the gender. The description of toxic masculinity does not disprove that, but in fact demonstrates it. | /r/MensRights | 20/03/14 01:58 AM |
| 1 | Nice activismContinuing this repetitive line of yours isn't going to distract from where you failed. I'm really disappointed to see that you are so invested in buying into feminist myths about sexuality that you'd refuse to evaluate your arguments and instead continue offering new variations of the same flawed statements as if repeating them changes anything. I had hoped you had some interest in honest debate, but in refusing to address the fallacies in your argument, you've shown otherwise. | /r/MensRights | 20/03/14 01:53 AM |
| 2 | Nice activismContinuing this repetitive line of yours isn't going to distract from where you failed. I'm really disappointed to see that you are so invested in buying into feminist myths about sexuality that you'd refuse to evaluate your arguments and instead continue offering new variations of the same flawed statements as if repeating them changes anything. I had hoped you had some interest in honest debate, but in refusing to address the fallacies in your argument, you've shown otherwise. | /r/MensRights | 20/03/14 01:52 AM |
| 1 | Nice activismRead again - from the beginning. It's been demonstrated to you that the information you've presented doesn't support your claim. It's been demonstrated to you why it doesn't support your claim. Until you are able to demonstrate the path by which the consequent in your claim proves the antecedent in an environment of variable factors, you done nothing but make claims and spout rhetoric. Repeating your claims and rhetoric does not strengthen your argument or change the flaws in it. It only demonst… | /r/MensRights | 19/03/14 01:40 PM |
| 2 | Nice activismContinuing to make a false claim doesn't make it stronger. It's been demonstrated to you that the information you've presented doesn't support your claim. It's been demonstrated to you why it doesn't support your claim. Until you are able to demonstrate the path by which the consequent in your claim proves the antecedent in an environment of variable factors, you done nothing but make claims and spout rhetoric. | /r/MensRights | 19/03/14 01:39 PM |
| 1 | Should a man have a say if an alternative to abortion becomes possible?Yep - to me that indicates that the individual didn't get what he or she wanted. | /r/MensRights | 19/03/14 01:06 PM |
| 1 | Nice activismYou're still doing it. I can't take you seriously as a debater as long as you fail to address the flaws in your argument. You've talked yourself into a corner and are trying to mirror my statements as a response. That isn't working. | /r/MensRights | 19/03/14 01:06 PM |
| 2 | Nice activismYou're still doing it. I can't take you seriously as a debater as long as you fail to address the flaws in your argument. | /r/MensRights | 19/03/14 01:05 PM |
| 2 | Nice activismYou are using factors for which you haven't demonstrated the correct relationship to the discussion. I can cite "grapes come in different colors" as fact, but it doesn't relate to the discussion, either. If you use flawed logic to apply facts to derive the conclusion you want, you're not proving anything except your dedication to that conclusion. | /r/MensRights | 19/03/14 01:45 AM |
| 1 | Nice activismYou're just repeating yourself again. Until you can address the flaws in your argument, that's useless. | /r/MensRights | 19/03/14 01:44 AM |
| 2 | Nice activismThe "victim blaming" myth of feminism's "rape culture" theory is based on combining a logical fallacy called affirming the consequent with a type of circular reasoning called Begging the Question. Affirming the consequent is an argument in which the individual assumes that if one factor results from another, it can also be used to prove the other, when one is not discussing biconditional factors (either/or) but factors for which there can be variables. Begging the question is an argument based o… | /r/MensRights | 18/03/14 03:47 PM |
| 2 | Nice activismAgain, you're repeating your own argument as evidence that it's right, after flaws in it have been pointed out. Since you cannot address those flaws, your argument is still invalid. It's going to remain so until you do that. Continuing to repeat yourself is unproductive. | /r/MensRights | 18/03/14 03:37 PM |
| 1 | Nice activismYou keep saying that as if it will erase everything above it. You haven't pointed out a flaw in my argument, and you've failed to address yours. | /r/MensRights | 18/03/14 03:36 PM |
| 2 | Nice activismNo, you haven't. You've made an argument with basic, fundamental flaws in logic that make it an invalid argument, and you're repeating it with variations on wording. You're attempting to substitute circular reasoning for a rational argument. Continuing to do that doesn't address anything; it merely shows your stubbornness. | /r/MensRights | 18/03/14 03:07 PM |
| 1 | Nice activismI'm copying and pasting that message because you've failed to deal with the flaws in your argument. | /r/MensRights | 18/03/14 03:05 PM |
| 1 | Nice activismYou haven't disproved the assertion, as you haven't demonstrated how what you're citing relates to your claim without relying on logical fallacies. You keep repeating yourself as an argument, without addressing your argument's flaws; the argument you continue to repeat uses affirming the consequent and begging the question (a form of circular reasoning) which make it an invalid argument. Repeating an invalid argument doesn't make the argument stronger. You need to address those flaws. | /r/MensRights | 18/03/14 02:46 PM |
| 2 | Nice activismI have. You keep repeating yourself as an argument, without addressing your argument's flaws; the argument you continue to repeat uses affirming the consequent and begging the question (a form of circular reasoning) which make it an invalid argument. Repeating an invalid argument doesn't make the argument stronger. You need to address those flaws. | /r/MensRights | 18/03/14 02:45 PM |
| 2 | Nice activismYou keep repeating yourself as an argument, without addressing your argument's flaws; the argument you continue to repeat uses affirming the consequent and begging the question (a form of circular reasoning) which make it an invalid argument. Repeating an invalid argument doesn't make the argument stronger. You need to address those flaws. | /r/MensRights | 18/03/14 02:12 PM |
| 1 | Nice activismYou keep repeating yourself as an argument, without addressing your argument's flaws; the argument you continue to repeat uses affirming the consequent and begging the question (a form of circular reasoning) which make it an invalid argument. Repeating an invalid argument doesn't make the argument stronger. You need to address those flaws. | /r/MensRights | 18/03/14 02:09 PM |
| 2 | Nice activismIts largely irrelevant that hyperbolic sjw's use victim blaming as a thought terminating cliche when mra's start giving out their personal responsibility lectures. No, here, you're arguing the wrong point. MRAs don't just hand out those lectures unprompted (and if you are going to argue that they do, you need to find an MRA who did it before 1993 when the so-called "rape epidemic" exploded onto the public scene.) This is a chicken/egg thing, where you're arguing as if the egg came first, when it… | /r/MensRights | 18/03/14 02:07 PM |
| 1 | Nice activismYou have only linked to writing that is based on the flawed reasoning I've pointed out, and have not addressed the flaw in that reasoning. Again, you're restating your argument as proof of your argument. You're using circular reasoning. That isn't proof, but simple stubbornness. | /r/MensRights | 18/03/14 02:00 PM |
| 2 | Nice activismThe main discussion - top comments - is an argument over whether or not the majority of rapists are men. And again, arguing that feminists create what they call rape culture has little value if you're only going to use it to expand the use of the term and the thought-terminating cliche to men's rights discussion. Further, you're still failing to address the flaw in logic that leads to the use of that thought-terminating cliche, a flaw which undermines your entire argument at its base, because it… | /r/MensRights | 18/03/14 01:50 PM |
| 1 | Nice activismWhat you've linked to has not proved your argument. You're offering your argument as proof of itself (circular reasoning) and claiming victory, while still failing to address the logic flaws that have been pointed out to you. Continuing to do that only makes you look determined to buy into the feminist narrative. | /r/MensRights | 18/03/14 01:47 PM |
| 1 | Nice activismHere's another way of putting this. Feminist arguments applied to medicine would call advising not-yet-sick people to eat healthy diets and live healthy lifestyles to avoid preventable illness "victim blaming. The same would be said of offering vaccinations, suggesting that one not smoke, and admonitions to drive carefully to avoid avoidable injury. This would be done even though the medical community doesn't refuse treatment based on that advice. To remedy said "victim blaming," feminists would… | /r/MensRights | 18/03/14 01:45 PM |
| 1 | Nice activismYou're saying it, but you're not demonstrating it. Instead, you've allowed me to demonstrate that what I've said is true. | /r/MensRights | 18/03/14 01:31 PM |
| 2 | Nice activismYou're still failing to address the flaws in logic. Showing that you started an argument with feminists over statistics doesn't address those flaws. It shows that you have the capability to expand the hyperbole and hysteria into this movement, which would be damaging as hell, but it doesn't show that you can use playing into the hysteria to put a stop to the use of "victim blaming" as a thought-terminating cliche. | /r/MensRights | 18/03/14 01:30 PM |
| 1 | Nice activismYou have not proved either premise. In fact, in asking me for evidence and receiving it, you've disproved both... or rather you've given me an opening which I used to do so. You've been given a task; address the flaws in logic on which you claim feminists base their use of the term "victim blaming," and the research flaws on which they base the stats they use to claim there's an epidemic of male on female rape. | /r/MensRights | 18/03/14 01:26 PM |
| 1 | Nice activismActually, I have - you have a very long list of links to go through, and you've looked at exactly none of them. Further, you've continued to fail to address the flaws in your logic. You cannot justify hyperbole with more hyperbole, flawed logic, and false claims based on flawed research. | /r/MensRights | 18/03/14 01:24 PM |
| 2 | Nice activismYou've shown me a model used for PTSD recovery and made claims about it, but you haven't demonstrated that it's the basis for anything other than treatment following an actual trauma. This is another act of begging the question, again with your premise being that feminist use of the model is legitimate. You have not demonstrated that it is. Continuing with your circular reasoning will not make your point. | /r/MensRights | 18/03/14 01:17 PM |
| 1 | Nice activismYou have not offered anything which supports feminist use of that phrase. There's an origin and meaning behind the term "racism," too, but the existence of such does not justify misapplication of the term to circumstances that don't meet the definition. Feminists apply the term "victim blaming" any time they want to shut down discussion, exactly as I've described. Here, you're begging the question; your premise (feminist use of "rape culture" is a legitimate use) is your conclusion. You're attem… | /r/MensRights | 18/03/14 01:15 PM |
| 2 | Nice activismYou have not offered anything which demonstrates an application of the military combat PTSD recovery guidelines paper to the feminist "rape culture" propaganda. The only things feminists have written which can be remotely interpreted as a link rely on the logical flaw I've pointed out, which you've failed to address: The affirming the consequent flaw in their logic. Continuing to link to the same flawed reasoning doesn't make it less flawed, but it does show you don't have anything of substance. | /r/MensRights | 18/03/14 01:11 PM |
| 1 | Nice activismNo, you showed me a program and claimed that it's the basis for the slut walk without evidence that it actually is. | /r/MensRights | 18/03/14 01:07 PM |
| 2 | Nice activismYour argument is projection. You're linking to texts which use combine buzzwords and ideological assertions as a sales pitch for exactly the persuasion effort I've described, and trying to use that as evidence that you're not arguing exactly what I've noted is your argument. The very first line of your first link is nothing but a demonization tactic designed to argue by assumption that men in general think it's acceptable to rape if they've paid for a date. | /r/MensRights | 18/03/14 01:05 PM |
| 1 | Nice activismNo, that's what you've showed me previously, the writing that uses affirming the consequent instead of actual logic to come to a conclusion - a flaw you have continually failed to address. The entire claim feminists make based on that has no value in the discussion until you can show another logical path for adopting it. | /r/MensRights | 18/03/14 12:55 PM |
| 2 | Nice activismNo, I'm arguing that the use of the phrase "rebranded rape prevention advice" is fake, a sales pitch to soften "transferring female agency from the individual woman to the feminist collective," because that's exactly what it is. | /r/MensRights | 18/03/14 12:53 PM |
| 2 | Should a man have a say if an alternative to abortion becomes possible?Interesting - deleted by OP less than 3 hours after posting, and ever comment in the thread received a downvote. No conclusion can be drawn from that (not enough info) but I suspect someone didn't get the quotemine fodder or other arguments they wanted. | /r/MensRights | 18/03/14 12:51 PM |
| 1 | Nice activismYou are attempting to use a sales pitch here. I don't think you realize you're talking to someone who works in retail, and can see through that shit. Phrasing your claim in a way you think sounds more positive doesn't change the fact that you're talking about a group that denies women's existing agency in order to make women feel dependent on them. Women don't need feminism to go to self-defense classes, learn to avoid or respond to dangerous situations, or otherwise take responsibility for our … | /r/MensRights | 18/03/14 12:46 PM |
| 2 | Nice activismYou keep making that claim, but you've already failed to demonstrate it. Re-wording "denying existing agency in favor of dependence on feminism" as "offering rebranded rape prevention advice" does not change what feminists are doing. It only shows that you're invested in believing the myth that women have to receive agency from feminism. We don't. | /r/MensRights | 18/03/14 12:42 PM |
| 1 | Nice activismNot only have I done my research, I've also been present as a witness to the development and application of that aspect of feminist ideology. Research into feminist claims most often leads to information that debunks the claim. The more you understand feminism, the more you realize it's nothing but a house of cards. | /r/MensRights | 18/03/14 12:39 PM |
| 2 | Nice activismDenial doesn't change the flaw, either - just a fail to address the argument. I've done my research. My research has led me to the conclusion that the entire feminist theory of rape culture is relies on "Affirming the consequent" rather than actual connection of the facts to form a logical conclusion. Further, much of the factors feminists cite when making that irrational jump of theirs are based on "research" that was known as far back as the early 90s to be deliberately biased and ideologicall… | /r/MensRights | 18/03/14 12:34 PM |
| 1 | Nice activismActually, I have looked at feminist writing on this. And again, it's a load of bunk, still based on "If A then B. B, therefore A." What they are doing isn't an attempt to help women. It's an attempt to make women dependent on feminism for a sense of safety. It's the same as a mafia insurance racket, or a mother subjecting her child to her symptoms of Munchhausen by proxy. | /r/MensRights | 18/03/14 12:28 PM |
| 2 | Nice activismYou were unable to rationally counter that argument before, and are now stooping to the same lack of argument; labeling having a flaw in your logic pointed out "absurd" does not remove the flaw. It only shows that you are too invested in the belief to re-evaluate the path you took to get to it. | /r/MensRights | 18/03/14 12:21 PM |
| 1 | Nice activismOne only has to see the slutwalk, "don't be that guy" and "teach men not to rape" campaigns, all centered around denying women's existing agency, to see that it does. | /r/MensRights | 18/03/14 12:19 PM |
| 1 | Nice activismOne has to belong to the intelligentsia to believe things like that: no ordinary man could be such a fool. | /r/MensRights | 18/03/14 12:09 PM |
| 2 | Nice activismWe've had this discussion before. It's not about restoring agency. It's about denying people the agency to be safe in the first place, and about making women feel raped whenever we are unhappy with the outcome of a sexual encounter. You offered me in the past what you thought was evidence to support your claim, but which turned out to be feminist writing which attempted to make the claim "If A, then B. B, therefore A." Feminists treat acknowledgement of the tendency of self-blame in traumatized … | /r/MensRights | 18/03/14 12:06 PM |
| 1 | Nice activismActually, no, the story about the officer's statement is widely known and has been debunked. Feminists base the slut walk on the idea that advice = blame. | /r/MensRights | 18/03/14 11:56 AM |
| 1 | Nice activismNo, I'm not. I'm describing exactly the argument that is the basis for the slutwalk, the "teach men not to rape" campaign, the "don't be that guy" campaign, and the use of the term "victim blaming" to begin with. A straw man is an act of addressing an argument that has not been made. Those are all arguments that have. Don't excuse feminist lies - it does not help to address those campaigns. | /r/MensRights | 18/03/14 11:49 AM |
| 2 | Nice activismYou and I have been over this. We have a basic knowledge of what they are saying. Many of the "myths" are also strawmen, created by the same tendency that takes "no" as an answer to "do these pants make my ass look fat" to mean "Oh, so my ass is fat then?" instead of "no, your ass doesn't look fat." That is the "logic" behind telling women that any advice anyone gives us about keeping ourselves safe is "victim blaming." You're not a victim if the misfortune hasn't befallen you, or a crime hasn't… | /r/MensRights | 18/03/14 11:27 AM |
| 1 | Nice activismThe "rape culture" of feminist imagining does not exist. It's ludicrous to continue treating it as a reality. It simply is not. | /r/MensRights | 18/03/14 01:29 AM |
| 2 | Action Opportunity: Send the HHS and USDOJ a Courtesy Reminder that HHS Funds Continue to be Misused for Lobbying in Violation of Federal Lawdone :) | /r/MensRights | 17/03/14 09:36 PM |
| 2 | Do MRAs have a victim mentality?You're actually acknowledging and denying the same thing in the same sentence. You've basically claimed that a faulty mechanism isn't faulty if the damage it does is increased by its use by a malevolent entity. The presence of a malevolent entity doesn't erase the faulty nature of a faulty mechanism; it merely means the malevolent entity has found a flaw to exploit. In the case of feminism, they've chosen to exploit society's tendency to view men as able to act on their own behalf and upon other… | /r/MensRights | 17/03/14 02:48 AM |
| 6 | Do MRAs have a victim mentality?quasi-marxist nonsense Thought-terminating cliche | /r/MensRights | 17/03/14 02:42 AM |
| 3 | Do MRAs have a victim mentality?None of those is actually an equivalent. "Patriarchy" (at least that of feminist imagining) is a phantom, and "privilege" is a term made up to shame people for not having it tough. Everything on your list is demonstrable phenomena except female privilege, a concept not universally accepted by MRAs but more often offered as a counter to the feminist use of "privilege" as a thought terminating cliche. None of them are central to men's rights activism in the way "patriarchy" and "privilege" are. | /r/MensRights | 17/03/14 02:38 AM |
| 4 | Do MRAs have a victim mentality?You're too late - the state has already introduced feminist laws which infringe on men's rights, and the state exercises power in the name of women (but not necessarily for women as a group) at the behest of feminist advocates, also in ways that infringe on men's rights. The state doesn't give rights. It may recognize and refrain from infringing, but it does not give rights. Something either is a right, or it isn't. If it's a right, it should never be treated as only being such for some people, … | /r/MensRights | 17/03/14 02:35 AM |
| 4 | Discussion. Men's Rights Activists are misunderstood, all Feminists are evil.You're arguing a false equivalence (men's rights isn't the male equivalent of feminism; MRAs aren't using claims of victimization to try to infringe on anyone else's rights) based on a false presumption of benevolence of feminism. Feminist history and advocacy contradicts your point of view. Your post is unoriginal and dishonest. It's not a contribution to the discussion on men's rights, and it's not a men's rights issue. This is why you are getting downvoted. | /r/MensRights | 17/03/14 02:14 AM |
| 4 | Why can't we give men the right to legal paternal surrender?I agree with you - safe haven laws are more comparable than abortion. Men haven't got the equivalent of either choice - women have both. Obviously an equivalent to abortion would be immoral; it would involve killing the child after birth, because before birth the child isn't in the father's custody. An equivalent to safe haven abandonment would be perfectly reasonable. The mother has the ability to make that decision unilaterally. The father should be able to terminate both his parental rights a… | /r/MensRights | 15/03/14 10:16 PM |
| 3 | Is profiteering what's actually going on with child support and abortion?If profiteering is not an aspect of the feminist support for abortion, what's their motivation for ignoring when shit like this happens? Had they seen a news report of any other man doing the same physical thing to any other woman against her will in any other context with the consent of members of her own family (as in this case), there would have been a public outcry that would have dwarfed the outcry over the Steubenville case. Since it involved abortion, feminists said nothing until politici… | /r/MensRights | 15/03/14 10:10 PM |
| 3 | Editor's note: Occidental College Sexual Assault Coverup Never Happened! - latimes.comIt's what happens every time feminists go off about something and then are proved wrong. | /r/MensRights | 15/03/14 09:00 PM |
| 10 | Editor's note: Occidental College Sexual Assault Coverup Never Happened! - latimes.comThey may totally ignore this story, because discussing it would mean either admitting that they were wrong, or showing everyone that they can't admit they were wrong. | /r/MensRights | 15/03/14 11:40 AM |
| 9 | iAMA Mods ban game artist who had her artwork stolen by Anita Sarkeesian when she tries to do a AMA.That's a ridiculous criticism, in that you can't possibly be familiar with this sub and fail to know that this item is related to items previously discussed in the sub. The specific update to past discussion does not have to be a whole new men's rights issue in order to merit mention. | /r/MensRights | 15/03/14 01:07 AM |
| 14 | iAMA Mods ban game artist who had her artwork stolen by Anita Sarkeesian when she tries to do a AMA.About as safe as violentacrez's personal info was. | /r/MensRights | 15/03/14 01:05 AM |
| 3 | Time Response to MRA Threads - At least we're getting coverage.I don't get it, how is it comedy if you pretty much flip the stance of what a group stands for 180? It's not. Parody is supposed to be based on a truth. That this wasn't - at least with regard to MRAs - makes it something else entirely. Whether intended or not, SNL parodied privileged white female feminists. The Jewelry party, the condescension toward their immigrant friend, the sense of entitlement to tell men what to think and how they may or may not advocate, the whiny/bitchy way of respondin… | /r/MensRights | 12/03/14 11:38 AM |
| 10 | Just Smith shreds misandrist BS about the "friend zone" (scroll down)I've been reading through your comment exchange here, and your story changes a lot. It's inconsistent, with details not disclosed until the details you already gave haven't been convincing - kinda like when something is made up as the person goes along. What you're claiming now is a story that, were it true, would have been stated as such from the beginning. These are not details that would have been left out of a true story. Further, it's gone from "I did X and didn't get Y" to being polarized … | /r/MensRights | 12/03/14 04:57 AM |
| 9 | Just Smith shreds misandrist BS about the "friend zone" (scroll down)What you're basically saying here is that when a girl wants something from a relationship with a guy, she's entitled to it, but when a guy wants something from a relationship with a girl, he's using her; that while guys have no right to decide what's appropriate for a girl to want from the relationship, girls have the right of approval or disapproval of what the guy might want... and he's not allowed to not want what she wants. | /r/MensRights | 12/03/14 04:34 AM |
| 1 | /againstmensrights is significantly more active lately in linking to us and vote brigading. Be aware and act accordingly.I didn't want to fall into that trap because I know how the mods are sensitive about doxxing of mods and hiding their real identities. I'm calling bullshit on that. All of us have come out with our real names. We speak under our real names on HBR, publish under our real names where we know it will be linked here, and produce video under our real names when we know it may also be linked here. I've even put my photo on my blog. You're still dodging. Why should anyone ever bother to answer a direct… | /r/MensRights | 11/03/14 04:03 PM |
| 1 | /againstmensrights is significantly more active lately in linking to us and vote brigading. Be aware and act accordingly.I could say the same to you. You still haven't answered my question from previous discussion, Manzboobz. You said one of the honeybadgers is an admin of this sub. Which one of us were you talking about? | /r/MensRights | 11/03/14 03:32 PM |
| 7 | We need to act on #BANBOSSY it's trending and we need MRA's to remind people that boys are the ones failing in schools right now!Men get called patriarchal, oppressive, domineering, overbearing, authoritarian, cocky, dictatorial, brutal and conceited; stuffed shirts, hard-assed, iron-fisted, and heavy-handed... but that's all okay right? Just as long as when girls act the same way that gets men so labeled, they don't get called bossy. | /r/MensRights | 11/03/14 05:00 AM |
| 1 | /againstmensrights is significantly more active lately in linking to us and vote brigading. Be aware and act accordingly.He could also just be here for shits and giggles - but my point to the againstmensrights posters above is about the same as yours. Post history has some merit, but in the end it's just things one has said on the internet. | /r/MensRights | 11/03/14 04:50 AM |
| 3 | Do men really make much more than women for the same job?I am pretty sure that at least at the upper levels where these ideas get introduced, they know damned well what they're calling for. | /r/MensRights | 11/03/14 04:40 AM |
| 2 | Millionaire women DEMAND that you don't call them "bossy"One really stupid thing about this is the claim that this label never gets applied to men. It does; it just gets done in a way that is gender specific in its use, even when not in its meaning. Men get called patriarchal, oppressive, domineering, overbearing, authoritarian, cocky, dictatorial, brutal and conceited; stuffed shirts, hard-assed, iron-fisted, and heavy-handed... but that's all okay right? Just as long as when girls act the same way that gets men so labeled, they don't get called boss… | /r/MensRights | 11/03/14 04:37 AM |
| 5 | /againstmensrights is significantly more active lately in linking to us and vote brigading. Be aware and act accordingly.Well, you know, if he's a troll, this would be the first time ever that an account in this sub turned out to be a false flag account. I mean, it's not like we've ever had to take measures here because anyone else ever did that, right? Because feminists have better things to do, of course. | /r/MensRights | 11/03/14 04:18 AM |
| 4 | Do men really make much more than women for the same job?There's a wealth of links on the topic in an old comment by shady8x. http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/11lsrw/feminist_myth_of_women_earning_072_to_a_mans_1/c6nmfiv | /r/MensRights | 11/03/14 12:42 AM |
| 2 | About the feminism posts..What a refreshing new concept you've introduced. This sub has never seen anything like it before. It definitely belongs on this long list of other refreshing new concepts which the sub has also not previously seen. | /r/MensRights | 09/03/14 07:49 AM |
| 4 | What is the best way to deal with emotional, knee-jerk opposition to men's rights issues?Two things to avoid: "You are an idiot" "LOL" Those are dismissive statements, not rational arguments. Instead, point out that she is attempting to use an unsupported statement (people can make studies say anything they want) as a counter to a supported statement (X is true because study.) To effectively counter a study, one must demonstrate that there's something wrong with it. Poor methodology, biased questions, misinterpretation or misapplication of the data - not just a choice to disregard i… | /r/MensRights | 09/03/14 07:04 AM |
| 2 | Nebraska high court again rules father's consent necessary for putting child up for adoption.Realized at work, I've written about this and didn't link you to that - just the NOW article. http://www.genderratic.com/p/4102/the-feminist-crusade-against-fatherhood/ | /r/MensRights | 09/03/14 02:45 AM |
| 2 | Nebraska high court again rules father's consent necessary for putting child up for adoption.One addition: Link to the bill, which legislators have titled the "Adoption relief bill" to disguise its attack on paternal rights. | /r/MensRights | 08/03/14 05:28 PM |
| 5 | Nebraska high court again rules father's consent necessary for putting child up for adoption.There is no misogyny in the belief that men can't be good parents. It's not a belief inflicted on women from the outside. It's a title that women claimed for themselves. Read the article linked in the middle of the comment. | /r/MensRights | 08/03/14 04:58 PM |
| 1 | Nebraska high court again rules father's consent necessary for putting child up for adoption.The mother gets 9 months to decide what she wants to do regarding her pregnancy. For the first 3 to 6 (depending on what state she lives in) she can decide to abort, and she can decide even after birth to opt for adoption. The father goes through the same doubts and fears and emotional hell that an unwed mother goes through related to whether or not he wanted parental responsibility and a parental relationship, and whether or not he wanted it right now. There is no reason why he should not be af… | /r/MensRights | 08/03/14 04:56 PM |
| 8 | Nebraska high court again rules father's consent necessary for putting child up for adoption.In every state, men can bring a legal action to compel a DNA test proving (or disproving) their paternity. They can bring legal action, but that does not always lead to physical action. It can take a long struggle involving a lot of time and money to force a custodial mother to comply with a putative father's wish to establish paternity, and some states (including mine) have put roadblocks in fathers' way. Under proposed Ohio House Bill 307, a father who has been served notice of his likely pate… | /r/MensRights | 08/03/14 04:49 PM |
| 2 | Nebraska high court again rules father's consent necessary for putting child up for adoption.It needs to be a law because being a woman doesn't carry with it the automatic moral superiority that society has attributed to women. That's an area in which men and women truly are equal; we can both be equally shitty to each other. The area of inequality related to that is that society has taken significant measures to protect women from being subject to shitty behavior committed by men... but instead of equally shielding men from shitty female behavior, we've facilitated that. | /r/MensRights | 08/03/14 04:00 PM |
| 10 | Nebraska high court again rules father's consent necessary for putting child up for adoption.It's sad that people can't admit misandry when they see it; the social need to find some way in which a situation victimizes women before compassion and consideration can be the result of seeing that situation is one of the reasons men have such an uphill battle when it comes to the recognition and effort to address men's issues. It's like men aren't allowed to have issues - it has to be about women, or it doesn't matter. Discrimination against men in parenting is not misogyny. It never was. It … | /r/MensRights | 08/03/14 03:55 PM |
| 1 | What should I say to this?I think that's a combination of discrimination (in the policy itself) and harassment (in enforcement of a policy which is controlling without good cause, such as a drunk sex policy where raping an incapacitated person is already known to be wrong and is illegal.) Definitely law and policy that does those two things should be targeted for reformation. That's something we as activists need to do - with not just legal action but campaigns to alert and pressure the involved authorities for change. I… | /r/MensRights | 05/03/14 06:35 PM |
| 2 | Feminista 'Trigger Warnings' Have Spread from Blogs to College Classes. Faculty advised to remove material that could trigger students.I think I have to take this as a sign that I'm getting old. T_T | /r/MensRights | 05/03/14 06:28 PM |
| 9 | I'm a woman, and I want to ask you about circumcisionThere are a lot of misconceptions about circumcision which people use to rationalize accepting the practice of neonatal circumcision when they'd be appalled at doing the same thing to a girl. I have page of links that I've gathered from other areas and cleaned up (there were some in the original posts where I found them that were no longer working links, so there are some that go to archive.com captures) which contain factual information and discussion on circumcision, including religious discus… | /r/MensRights | 05/03/14 06:25 PM |
| 2 | What should I say to this?So I want to know: What is a better definition of harassment? The definition in the study seems reasonable to me. The legal definition of harassment is a better definition than "whatever I decide to take personally," which is pretty much what the study is using. How is it 'bad science'? You need to provide examples of a better study or a better methodology for getting the data. "bad science is bad science" is not an argument. Actually, no. Examples are not necessary to demonstrate that manipulat… | /r/MensRights | 05/03/14 05:59 AM |
| 2 | Feminista 'Trigger Warnings' Have Spread from Blogs to College Classes. Faculty advised to remove material that could trigger students.Does this image need a trigger warning? | /r/MensRights | 05/03/14 05:20 AM |
| 2 | What should I say to this?Regular printer paper, printed text, and double-sided tape. Instant sticker. Might not last long, but in this case it'd be long enough to make the point. | /r/MensRights | 05/03/14 05:13 AM |
| 2 | What should I say to this?Definitely. | /r/MensRights | 05/03/14 05:09 AM |
| 3 | What should I say to this?The feminist double standard on bodily autonomy is ridiculous - it pretty much reserves bodily autonomy for women, who apparently own everyone else's bodies, because women's choice to feel offended or inconvenienced is the standard by which everyone else's right to act or in some cases, even continue to live, is judged. | /r/MensRights | 05/03/14 05:09 AM |
| 5 | What should I say to this?At least some cases are imaginary. I've seen that happen, and had to deal with it happening when I worked the night shift at a gas station and girls going clubbing would come in at the same time as guys were going home from the evening shift on road construction jobs. Those guys were tired enough they wouldn't have noticed Lady Gaga doing a show in the store, but invariably there would be melodramatic shit said by the girls. | /r/MensRights | 05/03/14 05:07 AM |
| 1 | Dear Abby: I don't want the boy I'm pregnant with.The only issue that I failed to consider for the "men's rights" issue is: My dad says I shouldn’t even allow my ex to visit our son in the hospital after he’s born. Actually, no, you failed to consider exactly what I pointed out; that the entire discussion on both sides excluded any consideration for the rights and experiences of either the child, or the child's father. It wasn't that one line that did it - the whole discussion excluded that consideration. That lack of consideration both from th… | /r/MensRights | 05/03/14 04:42 AM |
| 1 | What should I say to this?This is interesting, because it's saying men and women harass the opposite sex equally. Oddly enough, men harass men more than women harass women. It's interesting, but only in passing, because the presentation of the report shows that the definition of harassment was watered down as I described in my comment. Isn't this what people say on this sub reddit all day long? That men are harassed as much as women? This is the difference between the MRM and feminism. Just because a study says one thing… | /r/MensRights | 05/03/14 04:25 AM |
| 10 | Dear Abby: I don't want the boy I'm pregnant with.Emotions run high in situations like this. They may THINK they have great reasons, but they may be very very wrong. Either way, it shouldn't be their decision. The belief that it should be the mother's decision (or her family's) whether a father gets a part in his child's life is another men's rights issue. Children are not the property of women. They're people - people who are best off under most circumstances having the benefit of both parents. No parent should be able to exclude the other par… | /r/MensRights | 04/03/14 06:23 PM |
| 3 | "The [Ukrainian] Defence Ministry was ordered to stage a call-up of reserves, meaning theoretically all men up to 40 in a country with universal male conscription": Another example for the next time you see someone saying "But the draft isn't an issue anymore!"If the draft REALLY isn't an issue any more, then abolishing the selective service system should be no problem, right? I mean, if we are never going to draft men again, why have a system for doing so? | /r/MensRights | 04/03/14 06:07 PM |
| 24 | Dear Abby: I don't want the boy I'm pregnant with.This is a men's rights issue for one reason you failed to consider. The woman wrote about her feelings. She wrote about her family's feelings. The advice she got was based on the Dear Abby columnist's assessment of those feelings. Even the majority of men's rights is talking about the woman and her family's feelings. Where is the discussion about the father, the male child, and their rights and their experiences? What happens to that child if this woman is experiencing a psychotic breakdown beca… | /r/MensRights | 04/03/14 06:02 PM |
| 25 | What should I say to this?That's right on the mark. I found the study. (My comment) Honestly, I think OP should respond by getting a group of guys together and filing a complaint that the poster, which misrepresents the significance and results of the study, is sexual harassment against all of the men on campus. Inundate the listed "resources" with reports from as many campus man as are willing to file them. | /r/MensRights | 04/03/14 05:51 PM |
| 40 | What should I say to this?That stat comes from this study Tossing aside the problems with the study itself for a moment (watered-down definition of harassment to include LOOKING AT PEOPLE, for crying out loud) the study also found based on their criteria for harassment that college women admit to sexual harassment, and that college men are harassed very often as well. The researchers, whose group affiliation is a bias that can't be overlooked, have tried to mitigate that admission with the claim that women are more affec… | /r/MensRights | 04/03/14 05:46 PM |
| 1 | You know, I always laugh a lot whenever I get the “educate yourself” line, because then I get to say, “I did educate myself. That’s how I became anti-feminist in the first place.”Seems to me that the "educate yourself" line often comes from the most ignorant or the most willfully blind, rather than anyone whose contributions to a conversation would merit such an arrogant reply. I see it most often right after presenting someone with a lot of information they don't like, but can't effectively counter. | /r/MensRights | 04/03/14 04:10 PM |
| 112 | College claims that heavy breathing in the presence of a woman is "psychological rape"Oh, my god... as a severe asthmatic female who likes to exercise anyway, I've apparently raped myself thousands of times. What am I supposed to do about that? | /r/MensRights | 28/02/14 04:44 PM |
| 1 | Is government intervention a potential explanation for all the troll activities here?Eh, "conspiracy theory" has become a thought-terminating cliche used to avoid discussing possibilities on the basis that any unlikely suppositions that can be associated with them negate the entire possibility. /r/conspiratard seems dedicated to illustrating that. | /r/MensRights | 26/02/14 09:55 PM |
| 1 | Is government intervention a potential explanation for all the troll activities here?TBH I think the status of government is actually lower. | /r/MensRights | 26/02/14 09:52 PM |
| -1 | Is government intervention a potential explanation for all the troll activities here?More important than whether or not it's a government effort is whether or not the sub maintains an awareness of it, to neutralize the influence of persuasion-trolling. Don't assume that if the government's not doing it, nobody else is. I have noticed patterns among self-posts (and a few links) and in some areas of commenting, as well. There's not enough there to come to a specific, concrete conclusion, but there's enough there to note that certain themes keep occurring. I've identified a few thi… | /r/MensRights | 25/02/14 09:44 PM |
| 0 | One of Feminism's favorite authors on how men are treated.I'm not so sure. Based on the behavior of feminists in relation to women, I think political groups are represented by the actions of their leaders. I don't think there's a silent majority in disagreement with those leaders, but a body of people willing to sacrifice some of their principles to support some of their beliefs. Look at Republicans and Democrats, for instance - for all accusations against each other of trying to use the government to micromanage people's lives, they're both still doin… | /r/MensRights | 25/02/14 03:04 AM |
| 1 | One of Feminism's favorite authors on how men are treated.You've responded to articles with citations of studies, historical evidence, current evidence, and feminist writing with a couple of blog posts that don't support your argument. Continuing to claim they do doesn't make your evidence better. It just deepens the hole you're digging yourself into. Attempting to feign a level of intellectual mastery you don't have, by linking to a post that doesn't relate to the discussion at hand except in your own mind - that's priceless. I might have to start cal… | /r/MensRights | 25/02/14 02:36 AM |
| 1 | One of Feminism's favorite authors on how men are treated.You're assuming that the blog always speaks for the subscribers, who unanimously support everything written in it. I'd ask you to show some evidence of that, but your track record with evidence doesn't indicate that asking will be productive. Your attempt to belittle the men's rights movement isn't a good method for defending feminism, either. In fact, it demonstrates another issue the MRM has with feminism - that you guys have fought efforts to address the issues you've created by lobbying for … | /r/MensRights | 25/02/14 01:53 AM |
| 2 | One of Feminism's favorite authors on how men are treated.That's a small percentage when it comes to feminist readership, so yes, it's fringe as far as feminism is concerned. This, on the other hand, is a pretty big chunk of the MR community, as well as a hub of communication. Not the hub, but that's irrelevant. So is whether or not MR is a fringe site. What is relevant is that you couldn't counter my point, so you flounced. Which demonstrates that your argument is a load of horse shit. | /r/MensRights | 25/02/14 01:29 AM |
| 1 | One of Feminism's favorite authors on how men are treated.Still not evidence that redeems feminism - again, you're linking to a fringe blog. All you have offered here are fringe sources making claims, and a guy telling his story - nothing that counters what I've pointed out. You have answered a laundry list of hateful, damaging behavior on the part of mainstream, funded, active feminism with a dash of fluffy-bunnyism, and now you expect kudos of some sort? That's sad. *Edit - actually, no, it's not just sad. It's sick as fuck. After 30 years of feminis… | /r/MensRights | 25/02/14 01:00 AM |
| 1 | One of Feminism's favorite authors on how men are treated.You didn't offer proof that you've been supporting male victims of women. You linked me to a site which actually links to the magazine that commissioned the Koss study, where feminists celebrate expanding the definition of rape to include drunk sex (which isn't rape) and claim to have expanded it to include male victims of women when in fact the definition still requires that the victim be penetrated, a requirement which generally excludes male victims of female rapists, who are more likely to f… | /r/MensRights | 25/02/14 12:36 AM |
| 1 | Wives often divorce husbands who lose their jobs, says Govt. research...I've found similar issues with welfare in the U.S. A family's effort at unity and independence from government support is penalized. I ended up writing about it here. | /r/MensRights | 25/02/14 12:29 AM |
| 1 | One of Feminism's favorite authors on how men are treated.Interesting. You're not actually learning a thing, are you? Failure to adopt your beliefs about yourself isn't a failure to learn. Your arrogance is noted, but not surprising. Here are examples of what feminists are responsible for in the U.S. and other areas. The rape is rape campaign was actually a harmful thing - it expanded the definition of rape based on the definitions used in the Koss study (read the links; one of them leads to discussion on that). So, male victims of female perpetrators … | /r/MensRights | 25/02/14 12:11 AM |
| 2 | Wives often divorce husbands who lose their jobs, says Govt. research...You know, it's quite possible I would have gotten a well-meaning answer to that. :P | /r/MensRights | 24/02/14 12:41 PM |
| 1 | One of Feminism's favorite authors on how men are treated.You're the disease that keeps writing articles attacking rape victims. Your movement can't even manage that low bar of empathy, and you want to lecture on what hate is? You don't know the meaning of the word, or you'd recognize it in the mirror. ^ This is what a feminist looks like when confronted with evidence of the hatred inherent in his or her movement. Unfounded personal attacks don't help your cause, either. They only show that you're a much more hateful than you're willing to admit. | /r/MensRights | 24/02/14 12:37 PM |
| 0 | One of Feminism's favorite authors on how men are treated.The NAFALT argument (Not All Feminists Are Like That, which is what you've made there) is total bullshit. It's an excuse feminists give for being part of a movement, the active, world-effecting parts of which push for discriminatory law, policy, and social conditions, while simultaneously feigning detachment from what the movement does. It's not how it's used, but what it claims. The truth is, all feminists are like that one way or another; they all subscribe to an ideology of hatred. Some of th… | /r/MensRights | 24/02/14 05:41 AM |
| 1 | One of Feminism's favorite authors on how men are treated.A baseless appeal to popularity (confusing numbers with validity) doesn't make your point. What it does do is make you sound like the Borg from Star Trek rather than a debater of any intelligence. Adding hyperbole to your argument only cheapens it. You could try, for once in your feminist life, taking an iota of responsibility for yourself. You, as a person who supports the label, are responsible for supporting the ideology of hate on which it is based. If you're uncomfortable with that, find a … | /r/MensRights | 24/02/14 05:29 AM |
| 2 | 6 Manipulative Things Every Girl Should Do When Dating (I wish this was a joke...)I'm a man, Congratulations. You're arguing with an American woman about whether or not "Reading shit like this has fucked up American Women" 1) applies to all women, and 2) is hatred. You have demonstrated neither. and I'm arguing linguistics. No, you're attempting to use "misogyny" as a thought-terminating cliche. This has nothing to do with "victim cards" bullshit - the misapplication of the term "misogyny" to every instance where an individual criticizes any group of women in a way you don't … | /r/MensRights | 24/02/14 05:22 AM |
| 1 | 6 Manipulative Things Every Girl Should Do When Dating (I wish this was a joke...)Still looking for that proof you've been dodging. Where's the screenshot with the word "all" in it? | /r/MensRights | 24/02/14 05:14 AM |
| 3 | 6 Manipulative Things Every Girl Should Do When Dating (I wish this was a joke...)Nope - it may be an opinion that has no value outside of the discussion it's stated in, but it's still merely an insult. For the record, as an Ohioan who is fed up with the state of my county, I think "Americans are fucked up" is not a wholly inaccurate statement. It simply needs context. For instance, our political landscape is fucked up as hell, due to the attachment people have to their various political "teams." Kinda like you, trying so hard to dodge the one thing that was asked of you: Pro… | /r/MensRights | 24/02/14 05:05 AM |
| 2 | 6 Manipulative Things Every Girl Should Do When Dating (I wish this was a joke...)Try reading the whole comment again. You missed something. | /r/MensRights | 24/02/14 04:50 AM |
| 3 | 6 Manipulative Things Every Girl Should Do When Dating (I wish this was a joke...)Interesting that you had to escalate from a genuine complaint to a random insult to "make" your point. "American men are messed up" would not be misandry. "American women are pigs" is an insult, and so is "American men are pigs." Insults aren't automatically hatred, either. And you're still dodging. Where's the "all?" "It's rape when you force coitus on a woman, but not when you force it on a man because men don't experience the same suffering as women." That's misandry. If you're going to actua… | /r/MensRights | 24/02/14 04:27 AM |
| 5 | 6 Manipulative Things Every Girl Should Do When Dating (I wish this was a joke...)No. | /r/MensRights | 24/02/14 03:58 AM |
| -1 | One of Feminism's favorite authors on how men are treated.Oh, nice failure in logic. You made an assertion. It's your responsibility to prove it, not your debate opponent's responsibility to do otherwise. Further, your statement rests on an assumption you also have to prove; that the damage done by feminism to the social and legal recognition of men's rights is 1) not a men's rights issue, and 2) going to disappear on its own. Beyond that, you also have to prove that feminists are not actively attempting to convince the general public and MRAs that fem… | /r/MensRights | 24/02/14 03:53 AM |
| 2 | 6 Manipulative Things Every Girl Should Do When Dating (I wish this was a joke...)Can you take a screenshot of the image and highlight the word "all" in it? I see a generalization, but I honestly can't find the word in that sentence that makes it a statement of universal application. | /r/MensRights | 24/02/14 03:35 AM |
| -1 | One of Feminism's favorite authors on how men are treated.Keep trying - it's not making your case, but it's fun to watch. >_< | /r/MensRights | 24/02/14 03:32 AM |
| 8 | 6 Manipulative Things Every Girl Should Do When Dating (I wish this was a joke...)Yep, but the women who hate anything they see as manipulation from a guy (say, PUAs, game theory) think shit like this is perfectly okay. | /r/MensRights | 24/02/14 03:30 AM |
| 10 | This French Film Showing Men What Being A Woman Feels Like Kinda perpetuate stereotypes without proof and is sexist. (NSFW)I'm female. This video is a piece of horse shit played off by feminists as a gold nugget of truth. | /r/MensRights | 24/02/14 03:21 AM |
| 0 | One of Feminism's favorite authors on how men are treated."Oh, look, you mentioned the mold on the apple. At least now I know you don't give a rat's ass about the clog in the sink." In other words, your attempt at looking rational while making a false accusation has failed miserably. | /r/MensRights | 24/02/14 03:19 AM |
| 5 | Wives often divorce husbands who lose their jobs, says Govt. research...Yeah. I was floored. I mean, how the hell do you answer something like that? "Oh, no thank you. My family has had all the divorce we can handle from his ex-wife" just sounded a bit too mean spirited. | /r/MensRights | 24/02/14 03:18 AM |
| 1 | The Gender Gap in Pain (help analyzing this?)This is true - I've seen it happen with two family members, though it's been more dramatic with the male family member than with the female, even though her pain is caused by medical issues that can't all be demonstrated with physical testing, and his pain is caused by medical issues that show up clearly on an X-ray. It's nothing but anecdotal more evidence, and I can't give any more detail than I am because they both have a right to privacy, but I think you're right that there's less sympathy t… | /r/MensRights | 24/02/14 03:16 AM |
| 2 | The Gender Gap in Pain (help analyzing this?)The article says that drugs are mostly tested on men. Know if this is true? If it IS true, seems like something they would do to protect women and unborn babies. Thoughts? Here's one. The process of scientific study of human biology and medicine has to be done with consideration for all of the bodies involved. This means that women have to be able to say with 100% certainty that they can't be pregnant during a drug trial. If they can't say that, it's irresponsible of them involve themselves in o… | /r/MensRights | 24/02/14 03:11 AM |
| 0 | One of Feminism's favorite authors on how men are treated.There are no feminists like you. There are people like you who misguidedly use the same name that has meant hatred of men throughout its active history, and seriously expect people to change their opinion of the name because you're using it. As I've said before, it's very self-serving and callous to support a label that one knows has caused significant harm to society at large, to men as a group, and to women as a group, just because one wants to feel good about one's choices. When feminists lea… | /r/MensRights | 24/02/14 02:39 AM |
| 1 | Unwarranted hate and hostility towards the MRMThank you :) | /r/MensRights | 24/02/14 02:35 AM |
| 1 | One of Feminism's favorite authors on how men are treated.It happens - more than you think. I'm not making the point that all feminists are inherently twisted or evil, either. I'm pointing out that it's very self-serving and callous to support a label that one knows has caused significant harm to society at large, to men as a group, and to women as a group, just because one wants to feel good about one's choices. When feminists learn about the history and effects of feminism and then defend the name, that's what they're doing. | /r/MensRights | 24/02/14 02:34 AM |
| 4 | The Gender Gap in Pain (help analyzing this?)The problem with analyzing people's experiences, pain included, is that the individual experience is subjective. What is extreme pain to one person may be moderate pain to the next, and unbearable to another. What really needs to be understood about this is that there is no way to measure whether there is a pain gap as long as there remains a gap in the social and even medical response to men's pain. When a woman is in pain, it's acknowledged that something is wrong, and she needs treatment. Whe… | /r/MensRights | 23/02/14 06:33 AM |
| 6 | One of Feminism's favorite authors on how men are treated.No, women's rights activism has been called other things; women's liberation, the women's movement, the suffragist movement, (not to be confused with the feminist end of that; the violent and murderous suffragettes). Feminism is represented and defined by the actions of its established, funded mainstream, which has always engaged in a dehumanization campaign against men. Women's rights activism is not represented and defined by feminism. Public perception has simply been eclipsed by feminism for… | /r/MensRights | 23/02/14 05:56 AM |
| 8 | One of Feminism's favorite authors on how men are treated.Three things: 1) You've already demonstrated that you do take issue with feminism, and you're doing exactly the thing about it that is needed. You're rejecting the label. 2) They're not a minority or small majority. They are what feminism is. That is not to say that they are what women's rights activism is - that's not feminism. Feminism is defined by the actions of its established, funded, world-effecting majority. Women's rights activism can exist without them. 3) This has nothing to do with y… | /r/MensRights | 23/02/14 05:35 AM |
| 5 | One of Feminism's favorite authors on how men are treated.There's a reason why they're silent, and it's not because they have no voice. | /r/MensRights | 23/02/14 05:05 AM |
| 1 | One of Feminism's favorite authors on how men are treated.That kind of phrasing happens in here a lot, especially among new users who have seen a lot of our feminist visitors (especially aganstmensrights trolls) stating it in seriousness instead of haste. It's not that you in particular deserve to have someone jump down your throat over it - simply that you're butting up against a long history of false accusations against the men's rights movement. | /r/MensRights | 23/02/14 04:42 AM |
| 12 | One of Feminism's favorite authors on how men are treated.Part of the problem is equating feminists with women's rights activists. Feminism is a political movement that exploits social attitudes for political power. Women's rights activism does not need to do that. One does not need to fight against acknowledging and considering men's humanity in order to support the acknowledgement and consideration of women's humanity. Such willful disregard is only necessary if one wishes to dominate and control. | /r/MensRights | 23/02/14 04:33 AM |
| 3 | One of Feminism's favorite authors on how men are treated.No, we don't lay all of men's woes at the feet of feminism - societal attitudes are also discussed, as well as other factors involved in men's issues. We do, however, hold feminists responsible for their exploitation fo those factors in order to maintain their political and social power, which they do at the expense of recognition of men's human rights. | /r/MensRights | 23/02/14 04:26 AM |
| 15 | One of Feminism's favorite authors on how men are treated.Feminism doesn't advance the interests of women. It advances the interests of feminists. There are more anti-feminist women than you think. | /r/MensRights | 23/02/14 04:23 AM |
| 1 | Unwarranted hate and hostility towards the MRMAnother addition, readable in two places The feminist crusade against fatherhood (Genderratic.com) Same article, breakingtheglasses.com *Edit, more additions! Who hates fathers? #EndFathersDay: Happy Father’s Day, You Piece Of Shit Feminism's impact on family court has been a destructive force toward the family: American Family Courts, the First Amendment, and Violations of Free Speech Threats of Violence and Death Against Doubletree Hilton in Detroit Over Men’s Conference because how dare men p… | /r/MensRights | 23/02/14 04:22 AM |
| 32 | One of Feminism's favorite authors on how men are treated.The NAFALT argument (Not All Feminists Are Like That, of which "that's not our feminism - our feminism is about equality is one) is total bullshit. It's an excuse feminists give for being part of a movement, the active, world-effecting parts of which push for discriminatory law, policy, and social conditions, while simultaneously feigning detachment from what the movement does. It's not how it's used, but what it claims. The truth is, all feminists are like that one way or another; they all subs… | /r/MensRights | 23/02/14 04:14 AM |
| 3 | Wives often divorce husbands who lose their jobs, says Govt. research...In many cases, what she said would have been true, because she was speaking on the assumption that men earn more money than women... but in our case, at the time, I was the breadwinner of the family. Once we got past the initial qualification that measured our gross income, my husband's income didn't count for much, because they only counted the 40% the government wasn't confiscating for child support when determining our benefits. Without him, we'd have been a 2 person household. His counted in… | /r/MensRights | 23/02/14 04:05 AM |
| 16 | One of Feminism's favorite authors on how men are treated.Feminists Deny Truth on Domestic Violence DOJ Guidelines for Research Grants on Intimate Partner Violence explicitly says research where men are the victim do not qualify. VAWA is not like that (3 pages) The reason governments will not fund shelters dedicated to men is because feminists have pushed the belief that domestic violence is a gendered crime, male on female, with a scant few instances of the reverse. They've used a false narrative to monopolize funds dedicated to helping the victims. T… | /r/MensRights | 23/02/14 04:02 AM |
| 12 | One of Feminism's favorite authors on how men are treated.That's actually not true. I just got done writing about this very subject last night. Information on the feminist effort to block shared parenting laws, which stipulated that in divorce cases where custody was uncontested, parenting time would be divided equally. Some of the laws even specified that the reason was because time with both parents is in the best interests of the child. It's time feminists grow up and drop the hypocrisy; you whine that "Patriarchy" causes society to view women as be… | /r/MensRights | 23/02/14 03:03 AM |
| 5 | One of Feminism's favorite authors on how men are treated.Actually, they're not only standing for it, they're on the forefront of causing and perpetuating it. Click through the links and start reading. You will see that what you believe about feminism is naive. | /r/MensRights | 23/02/14 02:57 AM |
| 7 | One of Feminism's favorite authors on how men are treated.The behavior and effects of active feminists contradicts your claim. | /r/MensRights | 23/02/14 02:54 AM |
| 12 | One of Feminism's favorite authors on how men are treated.The behavior and effects of active feminists contradicts your claim. | /r/MensRights | 23/02/14 02:51 AM |
| 6 | One of Feminism's favorite authors on how men are treated.Actually, it's consistent with historic feminism, just not the overall women's rights movement, not all of whom were feminists. | /r/MensRights | 23/02/14 02:50 AM |
| 7 | One of Feminism's favorite authors on how men are treated.It's not a counter-example when the mainstream of feminism looks like this | /r/MensRights | 23/02/14 02:49 AM |
| 24 | One of Feminism's favorite authors on how men are treated.That depends on what part of the feminism of yesterday you look at. There were women's rights activists, and there were feminists, like the suffregettes who were violent, even murderous; the white feather campaign to shame men and boys into military service during the world wars; and a history among feminist researchers of manufacturing "evidence" to create exploitable hysteria to increase their social and political power. | /r/MensRights | 23/02/14 02:47 AM |
| 9 | Wives often divorce husbands who lose their jobs, says Govt. research...There is also the influence of the Health and Human Services department in the U.S. When my husband lost his job and had to take a lower paying one, and I lost one of mine, we were faced with a choice between homelessness and filing for assistance until one of us could find a way to earn more money. We filed for health coverage and food stamps. My husband was in school, so I went in and did the paperwork and the face to face stuff. The female case worker flat-out told me that my son and I could … | /r/MensRights | 22/02/14 06:12 PM |
| 1 | THIS JUST MAKES ME LIVID.What you're showing here is kind of a standard operating procedure for lazy debaters; the use of "Your experiences don't matter because buzzwords!" as an argument. That's a large part of the reason I wrote the post that led to this article. | /r/MensRights | 19/02/14 11:30 PM |
| 2 | Is there a term for someone who advocates equal gender rights?The NAFALT argument is actually bullshit. It's an excuse feminists give for being part of a movement, the active, world-effecting parts of which push for discriminatory law, policy, and social conditions, while simultaneously feigning detachment from what the movement does. It's not how it's used, but what it claims. The truth is, all feminists are like that; they all subscribe to an ideology of hatred. Some of them are just uncomfortable admitting that. That discomfort should lead to questionin… | /r/MensRights | 19/02/14 11:12 PM |
| 37 | Saw this on Facebook today. Focus on the real issue.No, they're not. But they are criminals, and there's a level of dysfunction that influences their choices. The fact that what they're doing is very, very wrong doesn't make them not human any more than any other person's flaws make them not human. We should be human enough to remember that, and focus on addressing the crime with some sense. | /r/MensRights | 19/02/14 10:28 PM |
| 4 | NOW calling for WSJ columnist's termination for suggesting that if a man & woman are both drunk & have sex, they share blame.If they take any action beyond the initial whiny press release, I suggest a campaign of letters and phone calls to counter it. Contact info The points that need to be made is that regardless of public sympathy for women's causes, NOW, like any other group, should not have the power to control speech in the U.S. Female MRAs can also help with this by emphasizing that the organization doesn't speak for women, but promotes their own political perspective in the name of women. | /r/MensRights | 19/02/14 12:43 PM |
| 6 | 60 Minutes admits feminism has stifled scientific research which is now showing the genders are very different on a cellular level.One study does not constitute a pattern of exclusion. The article doesn't say whether the second study (the meta-analysis of 16 observational studies) were also all done on only men. That study is behind a paywall, but this study isn't, and you can see that it's done on both sexes, with women outnumbering men. There is evidence that women have not been routinely excluded from medical research. I posted a link to an article about that recently. There was some discussion following that, but nothin… | /r/MensRights | 17/02/14 08:26 PM |
| 2 | Can a father use "safe haven" laws the same way a mother can?Yes and no... there's no law that says a father can't do exactly the same thing a mother can do, and anything the father may do that would be considered wrong or illegal would also be considered wrong or illegal if the mother does it. The difference is in the chance that the other parent could be kept in the dark about the baby and the use of the center. A mother knows she has had a baby, so the baby cannot be taken away and abandoned without her knowledge unless she has first abandoned him or h… | /r/MensRights | 17/02/14 07:27 PM |
| 2 | Honey Badger Radio: Mary Koss and the American Rape MachineThis is like watching the Princess Bride... “My name is Indigo Montoya. You killed my father. Do you believe that men target women? Yes, or no?” | /r/MensRights | 17/02/14 05:05 AM |
| 2 | College Humor video tells us why the Engagement Rings are a scam. I'm thinking the equality of getting engaged and married is a little off balance as well.Yes - most people have no idea the brutality that is involved in controlling the diamond trade, because even though it's been fairly well reported, that news isn't widely promoted. What does that tell you about "journalism" in today's first world countries? | /r/MensRights | 16/02/14 02:18 PM |
| 7 | College Humor video tells us why the Engagement Rings are a scam. I'm thinking the equality of getting engaged and married is a little off balance as well.Even if it wasn't a scam... how do you know someone didn't die for it? | /r/MensRights | 16/02/14 07:31 AM |
| 1 | Sexist, diet coke advertisement celebrates 20 years. Hypocritical of feminists to dismiss complaints over these adverts.Your articles don't show what you're claiming - the writing isn't equal treatment. What they're saying in most of these articles is that objectification of men is bad for women, and if it's bad for men, it's bad for men because it's bad for women. You do understand that treating an issues impact on men as secondary to its impact on women is not equal treatment, right? You got downvotes for advocating feminism in a sub that is sick and tired of shitty arguments on behalf of the hate movement that… | /r/MensRights | 16/02/14 03:55 AM |
| 1 | Sexist, diet coke advertisement celebrates 20 years. Hypocritical of feminists to dismiss complaints over these adverts.Feminist organizations have fought for special treatment in family court, using slanderous accusations that dads are abusers and deadbeats as their argument against equally shared parenting in uncontested (no fight) custody cases as a remedy to the existing gender disparity in custody arrangements. in abuse victim's advocacy in rape victim's advocacy in criminal court as accusers, having fought for laws that chip away at due process rights for accused men in criminal court as perpetrators (and t… | /r/MensRights | 16/02/14 03:33 AM |
| 1 | Sexist, diet coke advertisement celebrates 20 years. Hypocritical of feminists to dismiss complaints over these adverts.What you've provided here is evidence that feminists treat objectification differently when it happens to men than when it happens to women. That's actually a pretty common theme among feminist complaints; treating things that happen to both sexes as adverse factors with respect to women, but not such a big deal with respect to men. That's called marginalization, and it's a regular practice of feminism. | /r/MensRights | 16/02/14 03:15 AM |
| 5 | Have I lost my mind here?What you're seeing there is a classic play-out of the perception of women as lacking in agency to act on their own behalf, in comparison to the perception of men as having agency to act for both themselves and women. Among other things, this leads to treating a condition one considers adverse differently depending on whether a woman or man is subject to it. Parental responsibility, when considered an adverse condition, is treated as chosen by men even when it's not, but inflicted on women even t… | /r/MensRights | 15/02/14 06:32 PM |
| 2 | What a doll! Barbie to grace Sports Illustrated's Swimsuit issue.Just gotta say this has made me totally nostalgic... we used to have epic battles in my room with a whole set of toys like that. Star Wars and G.I. Joe action figures fought next to the little green army guys (with the big gray mountain that had an elevator in it), Barbie, Glamor Gals (who were the same size as the action figures, but with wires for bending the limbs instead of joints), the Masters of the Universe action figures (closer to Barbie's size) Stretch Armstrong, and anything else we c… | /r/MensRights | 15/02/14 06:03 PM |
| 5 | Let's compile a list of cons to circumcision that we can later make into an info-graphic so that we have something easy to spread around to other men/parents considering the operation for themselves/their kids.It violates the circumcised person's bodily integrity before he is old enough to consent. It creates a significant injury. Considering that the injury is deliberate and unnecessary (unlike medical treatment to alleviate a condition of unhealth) it's an act of violence. It is damaging to the function of the organ upon which it is performed. Considering that this damaging act of violence is visited upon the child's sex organ, it's a sexual assault. There really doesn't have to be any other reason … | /r/MensRights | 14/02/14 09:14 PM |
| 5 | Xpost - As a trans woman, I feel like I am not welcomed in most communities, but especially in the Men's Rights Movement. I would think MRAs would be the strongest supporters of trans* issues, but theWhen called on claims that this sub is anti-(fill in the blank), redditors who make those claims often offer replies that boil down to "you disagreed with something I or someone else said that I or they linked to (factor with which you filled in the blank) and therefore you're anti-(that factor.) Following an original post along the lines of "I had subjective experience X as a factor-1 person, therefore conclusion," MRAs may argue that the experience is subjective, that factor-1 doesn't make the… | /r/MensRights | 14/02/14 06:47 AM |
| 1 | Honey Badger Radio: Mary Koss and the American Rape MachineDo tell. Which one of us is a mod? Also, why don't you explain a little more about those sock puppets with which you seem to be so familiar, Manzboobz. >_< | /r/MensRights | 14/02/14 04:45 AM |
| 2 | Honey Badger Radio: Mary Koss and the American Rape MachineNow I wonder if the individual who posted a link to this post in (r)againstmensrights will be big enough to admit they brigaded based on a false accusation (they're accusing Typhon) about the reason this post was stickied. | /r/MensRights | 14/02/14 01:17 AM |
| 1 | Is height important in matters of the heart? New study says yes - "13.5 percent of the men wanted to date only women shorter than they are. In contrast, nearly half of the women – 48.9 percent – wanteYep - though you always have a choice in how much weight you give those preferences in the decision making process. | /r/MensRights | 13/02/14 02:44 AM |
| 1 | Is height important in matters of the heart? New study says yes - "13.5 percent of the men wanted to date only women shorter than they are. In contrast, nearly half of the women – 48.9 percent – wanteAgreed - that's simply how I see x% of group y want to only date people with (or without) characteristic z, especially where that involves making a physical characteristic more important than the individual's character/personality. | /r/MensRights | 13/02/14 02:43 AM |
| 1 | I need advice on obtaining custody/dealing with ex wife.The most important thing is to have a good lawyer, which you've indicated you're already going to do. It's also extremely important that you document everything, not just stuff from/related to your husband's ex, but every last little bit of communication you get from CPS. Be glad to have them on your side, but don't trust them - anything about them - for even a minute. Be ready to contest if they change their story... not because there's a likelihood of it, but because it's better to be ready an… | /r/MensRights | 13/02/14 02:38 AM |
| 13 | Is height important in matters of the heart? New study says yes - "13.5 percent of the men wanted to date only women shorter than they are. In contrast, nearly half of the women – 48.9 percent – wanteIn other words, a small percentage of men and almost half of women place arbitrary hurdles between themselves and the chance to love and be loved, by unnecessarily limiting the scope of the group from within which they might seek companionship. :/ | /r/MensRights | 12/02/14 05:21 PM |
| 1 | Mens' Rights vs Feminist Rape Culture explained using Puzzle PiecesHow so? Male and female participants were asked the same questions. The researchers treated their answers differently. Excluding from the definition of rape all victims who were forced to penetrate is an exclusion from that definition the consideration of a forced sexual attack that makes use of a male victim's genitals. They decided that the most common heterosexual sex act, when forced on a victim, is only rape when it's forced on a female victim, not when it's forced on a male victim. | /r/MensRights | 12/02/14 05:05 PM |
| 1 | Mens' Rights vs Feminist Rape Culture explained using Puzzle PiecesYou've given an irrelevant fact more weight than a relevant one. That Koss did not author the study does not eliminate her as the source for the criteria behind defining rape to exclude male victims of female accusers. The citation of the study in which she set that criteria (as Typhon pointed out in one of the articles she cited under the video) is enough to knock down your attempt to deny that Koss is the source of that criteria. Try again. | /r/MensRights | 12/02/14 05:00 PM |
| 2 | Mens' Rights vs Feminist Rape Culture explained using Puzzle PiecesKoss wasn't even an author in the study, From the full report's list of references: Koss, M.P., Gidycz, C.A., & Wisniewski, N. (1987). The scope of rape: Incidence and prevalence of sexual aggression victimization in a national sample of higher education students. Journal of Consulting and Clinical Psychology, 55, 162–170. Koss, M.P. is Mary Koss. That study, commissioned by Ms. Magazine (run by Gloria Steinem) for publication in 1987, is the study referred to in the video. Try again. | /r/MensRights | 12/02/14 07:56 AM |
| 1 | Mens' Rights vs Feminist Rape Culture explained using Puzzle PiecesThat's what I said, dude. Reading comprehension. No, you hedged. I'm making an absolute statement. I agree, I would have liked to see those categories parsed on into oral/anal and perpetrator sex That's not an agreement; that's a change of concept. This discussion is about the fact that one specific category - a forced sexual attack that made use of the genitals of the victim without the victim's consent - was targeted by the researchers for differentiation based solely on the sex of the victim,… | /r/MensRights | 12/02/14 07:46 AM |
| 2 | Mens' Rights vs Feminist Rape Culture explained using Puzzle PiecesThe CDC absolutely did not adequately refrain from making value judgements. The researchers specifically chose to only differentiate in their definition of rape where the sex act in question could involve the male victim of a female perpetrator, and nowhere else in that definition. They did not differentiate between oral sex acts and anal sex acts. Those are both rape. They did not differentiate between male and female victims of male perpetrators - being forcibly penetrated is classified as the… | /r/MensRights | 12/02/14 06:46 AM |
| 2 | Mens' Rights vs Feminist Rape Culture explained using Puzzle PiecesI think it's necessary from a methodological standpoint to differentiate between sex acts as much as possible (while not making value judgments about the degree of impact that they have on the victim without measuring long term psychological effects) Interesting to see this objection when the discussion is about countering the marginalization of male victims, when it was completely absent in the discussion that resulted in that marginalization. | /r/MensRights | 12/02/14 06:07 AM |
| 1 | What are we really talking about?You've thrown a lot of of shit, but not offered any actual argument here. There's not actually enough substance to your comment to treat your comment as a statement to counter, much less a counter to anything I've said. Speculation and belligerence do not an argument make. If you want to have an actual discussion, you're going to have to put in some actual effort. Otherwise, you're simply rambling. | /r/MensRights | 12/02/14 03:34 AM |
| 4 | "...if both parties are intoxicated during sex, they are both technically guilty of sexually assaulting each other."I don't think many female MRAs spend much time in there commenting. I don't - I don't feel like it's a place where I can speak freely. | /r/MensRights | 12/02/14 03:12 AM |
| 2 | So, what do?Trying to force a relationship will only result in shoving in the kid's face the fact that the other parent doesn't want to be there. That's a bad thing. You can't force someone to take care of their kid, to invest themselves emotionally or intellectually, or anything. You could go after the money, but it sounds like doing that wouldn't really be of any value to you or the kid, either. The best thing you can do is be the best parent you can be, show the child that he or she has your love, and yo… | /r/MensRights | 11/02/14 01:25 PM |
| 6 | Do me a favor, guys?Assuming everyone in the sub is male - check. Snooty attitude - check. Need to create a pretense for being here - check. Shaming - check. You assholes aren't even making any effort any more. That's kinda sad. | /r/MensRights | 11/02/14 01:13 PM |
| 3 | What are we really talking about?Your entire comment is one long strawman, full of the same bullshit excuses I hear from every political ideologue out there; namely "my politics are the politics of helping people. Whatever I assume your politics are, which I'm taking to be the polar opposite of mine since you said something I'm going to interpret as something with which I disagree, are all fake and rotten. Blah blah politics blah blah ad hominem blah blah mudslinging blah blah buzzwords. Victim politics ideologues don't fight f… | /r/MensRights | 10/02/14 10:24 PM |
| 0 | Women were not routinely excluded from medical research as feminists claimNot in the way it's expressed by feminists. This comment explains that in a pretty blunt and honest fashion: http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/1xf5u8/women_were_not_routinely_excluded_from_medical/cfb92tn?context=3 | /r/MensRights | 10/02/14 01:31 PM |
| 2 | DAE think Kaitlyn Hunt should go to jail for having sex with a 14 year old, and the fact that the relationship is same sex doesn't change that fact?I get a notification every time you reply to one of my comments. Get over yourself. You are not that important. | /r/MensRights | 10/02/14 01:26 PM |
| 1 | DAE think Kaitlyn Hunt should go to jail for having sex with a 14 year old, and the fact that the relationship is same sex doesn't change that fact?The fact is, if you saw a post that was 4 months old, it's because you were looking for it one way or another. This wasn't something you stumbled across at random. Your pretense is transparent, kid. | /r/MensRights | 10/02/14 01:26 PM |
| 2 | Anybody else see this? I'm kind of impressed.Just an interesting note - a look at the URL vs the title indicates that earlier in the writing process, the author was only going to talk about 9 things. Apparently it's just that hard to keep the number of illegitimate, dumb, wrong, or whiny feminist complaints down that low. | /r/MensRights | 09/02/14 06:21 AM |
| 8 | Hello. I am a woman, mother of 3 and cardiologist who works with the American Heart Association. I need to share a little information about feminism and medical politics in the United States. (xpost /r/self)4% to 10% of all heart attacks occur before age 45, and most of these strike men. | /r/MensRights | 09/02/14 03:34 AM |
| 6 | What are we really talking about?This is a great explanation of that argument. Thanks for articulating it! I'm going to bookmark this comment for future reference. :) | /r/MensRights | 09/02/14 03:23 AM |
| 4 | What are we really talking about?Unfortunately, no, it's not a joke. It's actually a feminist talking point. One of them even brought it up Thursday night during Karen's talk at Ryerson University. | /r/MensRights | 09/02/14 03:22 AM |
| 5 | What are we really talking about?Social justice was hijacked by victim politics ideologues (groups who promote and exploit the proxy victim status of their subject group to the detriment of everyone, including the subject group itself) in general. Feminism is just a branch. Real Social Justice Warriors wouldn't be against solutions that would genuinely empower their subject groups to use their own ability to act on their own behalf to gain the equality of outcome for which most Social Justice ideologues claim to fight. They'd b… | /r/MensRights | 09/02/14 03:21 AM |
| 1 | It's just minutes since a British actor was cleared of historic sex offences (by a jury comprising twice as many women as men), and yet feminists are already bombarding the #IBelieveHer hashtag.No, when feminists are the only people talking, we end up with shit like VAWA and the Campus SaVE act (aka the Campus False Accuser Support Act) With nothing to contrast against their views, the group most often referred to as extremists (the mainstream of feminism) has been able to successfully snow society. Don't underestimate people's tendency to just accept shit presented in conjunction with a proxy victim group. | /r/MensRights | 08/02/14 11:52 PM |
| 7 | So /r/fathersrights exists, but gets no traffic.Well, /r/feminism exists, but look how many feminists we get in here talking about how great they think feminism is. | /r/MensRights | 08/02/14 10:43 PM |
| 8 | So /r/fathersrights exists, but gets no traffic.I suspect that you don't read the sub much. There's plenty of discussion here that you've missed. A variety of topics are discussed here. The topic of father's rights is pretty broad. There are issues a lot of people don't even consider... ...including some that people consider only women's issues. It's interesting that you missed all of the discussion on it. What search terms did you use before you decided we don't talk about father's rights here? | /r/MensRights | 08/02/14 10:42 PM |
| 10 | What are we really talking about?Good point - that goes right along with the "privilege" argument which treats issues as if their impact varies based gender, but this approach hides the fallacy by acknowledging the issue - just not as much as when it's done to a female. | /r/MensRights | 08/02/14 10:34 PM |
| 4 | Cross post from /r/standupshots that I thought might be appreciated here.Women do this because when you're a train wreck, you have to point to a bigger, messier train wreck to feel like your approach to life is healthy. Marilyn Monroe was a beautiful, seductive, compelling, chaotic, tragic, self-inflicted fucking train wreck. She is one of the greatest examples of social acceptance of the destructive impact female hypoagency. Her dysfunction is celebrated. Her self-torture is worn by other train wrecks like it's a badge of femininity, and pedistalized as an aspect of… | /r/MensRights | 08/02/14 07:16 PM |
| 1 | It's just minutes since a British actor was cleared of historic sex offences (by a jury comprising twice as many women as men), and yet feminists are already bombarding the #IBelieveHer hashtag.I am not sure this is true. The best parody of extremist feminists is written by extremist feminists, you can just let them work on your behalf. What does this have to do with what I said in my comment? You're responding as if I've said, "No, we SHOULD drown out feminist voices and keep them from being heard!" That is not the case. Your argument is a strawman. | /r/MensRights | 08/02/14 07:02 PM |
| 1 | It's just minutes since a British actor was cleared of historic sex offences (by a jury comprising twice as many women as men), and yet feminists are already bombarding the #IBelieveHer hashtag.Awesome :) Hopefully others will as well. | /r/MensRights | 07/02/14 04:26 PM |
| 1 | It's just minutes since a British actor was cleared of historic sex offences (by a jury comprising twice as many women as men), and yet feminists are already bombarding the #IBelieveHer hashtag.You can't drown out the voices of the crazies. They will always spout off because they feel entitled not just to have their opinion, but to dictate yours. What you can do is show them that they do not control the dialogue, nor public opinion. If the only voices out there are the voices of the crazies, you might as well have handed them that control. | /r/MensRights | 07/02/14 04:26 PM |
| 1 | Honey Badger Radio: Open LinesThat additional security they were going to charge CAFE for really paid off, didn't it? | /r/MensRights | 07/02/14 04:23 PM |
| 5 | It's just minutes since a British actor was cleared of historic sex offences (by a jury comprising twice as many women as men), and yet feminists are already bombarding the #IBelieveHer hashtag.If even 1% of the sub would just tweet those 4 things to that hashtag, it would take the tag over. That would be 800 people posting 4 tweets each, or 1600 tweets with that information and that hashtag. The group could even use pre-written tweets. Even though they're repeats, the effect would be the same. Ibelieveher is a choice to ignore that women are as human as men and just as capable of malice. http://www.ipt-forensics.com/journal/volume6/j6_2_4.htm Feminists only say #Ibelieveher. They have… | /r/MensRights | 07/02/14 12:24 AM |
| 1 | Any other guys in here with an Asian spouse? How do you deal with the constant abuse and shaming?OP's statement reads like he's talking about racism from other people, not racism from his wife. | /r/MensRights | 06/02/14 10:50 PM |
| 21 | It's just minutes since a British actor was cleared of historic sex offences (by a jury comprising twice as many women as men), and yet feminists are already bombarding the #IBelieveHer hashtag.Why not just take over the hashtag as a vehicle for getting this and this out, promoting COTWA, and pointing out the discrepancy in social response to rape depending on the victim's gender? Flood it with those links, and it will become useless to feminists. | /r/MensRights | 06/02/14 12:44 PM |
| 2 | Any other guys in here with an Asian spouse? How do you deal with the constant abuse and shaming?People have a habit of showing their inner asshole quite plainly when they're projecting their own racism onto someone else. | /r/MensRights | 06/02/14 12:23 PM |
| 1 | Spreading awarenessYou're welcome - hope that helps. :) | /r/MensRights | 06/02/14 12:09 PM |
| 2 | Question regarding the idea of "financial abortion"Again, you're overcomplicating the issue. This time, you're ignoring that those same implications exist when women are allowed to do x, y, and z, yet women are still allowed. The right of women to make reproductive and custody choices isn't affected by the repercussions of those choices in other people's lives. What justification do you have for imposing control over men's reproductive and custody choices that doesn't also justify imposing that same control over women's choices? | /r/MensRights | 06/02/14 05:08 AM |
| 1 | Spreading awarenesshttp://dalrock.wordpress.com/2011/08/15/latest-u-s-custody-and-child-support-data/ | /r/MensRights | 06/02/14 05:03 AM |
| 6 | Question regarding the idea of "financial abortion"You're over-complicating a question that is really very simple. Should we, as a society, place more responsibility for a child's welfare on the child's father than we do on the child's mother? Yes, or no? If the answer is no, then there is no circumstance which justifies a woman's right to abort, abandon (to a safe haven center) or opt for adoption that would not also justify a man's right to (financially) abort, abandon (also to a safe haven center) or opt for adoption. At the same time, there … | /r/MensRights | 06/02/14 04:41 AM |
| 31 | Any other guys in here with an Asian spouse? How do you deal with the constant abuse and shaming?Start shaming back. When people accuse you of focusing on your wife's ethnicity, accuse them of insinuating that asian people only exist as sex objects. Act insulted on her behalf, because that will turn everything around on your accusers, and they will have to try to justify their bullshit, which in turn will only make them sound more racist. When they act shocked that you've called them that, point out that they're the ones so focused on your wife's ethnicity that they think nothing else about… | /r/MensRights | 06/02/14 04:20 AM |
| 5 | Manboobz - dumbest comment ever?Only admins. Mods don't have shadowban power. | /r/MensRights | 31/01/14 11:05 PM |
| 1 | Equality begins at the toilet seat. If its up and you want it down, put it down. If its down and you want it up, put it up. I can't tell the future, so idk how it should be positioned for the next occWanna see her really get grossed out? Show her that video. Then ask her how high she thinks the splatter from her own toilet goes. Then ask her if she cleans her toothbrush (which is probably sitting on the sink beside or across from the toilet) before using it. | /r/MensRights | 31/01/14 01:52 AM |
| 1 | Equality begins at the toilet seat. If its up and you want it down, put it down. If its down and you want it up, put it up. I can't tell the future, so idk how it should be positioned for the next occNaw, gross is knowing that the way you smell things is by detecting particles of those things on the air in your nose... then realizing that includes shit and vomit. You're right that it doesn't demonstrate risk. What it does demonstrate is that if you stand there with the lid open and flush, you get bits of the contents of the toilet on yourself, and that it's also possibly splashing over onto your bathroom sink, or anything else you have in your bathroom - especially if it's small. Ok, I might… | /r/MensRights | 31/01/14 01:48 AM |
| 4 | here be dragons (a response to Laci Green's "Sex Object BS"It's the effect of hypoagency, wherein they can't ascribe to women any responsibility for anything, even things women do. | /r/MensRights | 31/01/14 01:39 AM |
| 20 | Equality begins at the toilet seat. If its up and you want it down, put it down. If its down and you want it up, put it up. I can't tell the future, so idk how it should be positioned for the next occOr, you can close the lid so that when you flush, you're not getting splatter on your sink, your bathtub, and everything you use in there. http://www.discovery.com/tv-shows/other-shows/videos/time-warp-toilet-flush.htm | /r/MensRights | 30/01/14 07:09 PM |
| 1 | Men are not to blame (from /imgoingtohellforthis)edit - wanted to add at the beginning: No worries about the wait. You should never let reddit interfere with your studies. I'll be able to read just as well later in the week... and even if I couldn't, or you just couldn't get back to the discussion, this isn't that* important of a discussion - not in comparison to your potential grades. I'm talking about women being accused of being a fake geek girl when they aren't. That's not consistent with your entry into the discussion. You were responding… | /r/MensRights | 26/01/14 03:12 AM |
| 1 | As a vegetarian male, I'd like to know what do you guys think of this Chevy commercial?Whether or not you should be offended, the ad is to men what ads associating stereotypical female attributes with products they want to sell to women - something feminists have complained about, though not as loudly as they complain about female beauty standards in media, while pretty much ignoring when the same is done to men, except when they can use it to de-legitimize and condemn men whose masculinity is more stereotypical. What I take from this is that either it's a legitimate complaint, or… | /r/MensRights | 23/01/14 06:38 PM |
| 2 | Question: A thought about this subredditMisrepresenting the sub isn't going to change anyone's impression of it. | /r/MensRights | 23/01/14 06:23 PM |
| 1 | Men are not to blame (from /imgoingtohellforthis)I don't, though. I "take offence" to women people being blamed for something they didn't do. If that were the case, there wouldn't have been a side for you to take in this discussion, since women haven't been blamed here for anything they didn't do. You don't know me.. You have not assumed my gender, so let us not assume my opinions, yeah? Your behavior speaks for itself. You aren't entitled to assume that your excuses for them will be accepted. You responded to a post that said that both men an… | /r/MensRights | 23/01/14 06:05 PM |
| 1 | Men are not to blame (from /imgoingtohellforthis)You present a compelling argument, and I think this is the meat of the issue, if not perhaps the issue. I haven't seen it to the scale that you have, but then again, I'm a man, so perhaps I simply don't notice it since I'm not a 'victim' of said bullying. I've been a target of it all of my life, for various reasons. That you're male doesn't exclude you from said bullying, but because it isn't a style of bullying men usually engage in on their own, it's not the first thing a guy would think of. V… | /r/MensRights | 23/01/14 12:41 PM |
| 1 | Men are not to blame (from /imgoingtohellforthis)As I stated in my reply to you, that argument doesn't fly. It's still a statement that an opinion is made invalid because of gender. Take Anita Sarkeesian, for instance: She used someone else's work in her video, game play from a series that critiques games. She made false statements about the games themselves, and she's recorded on video stating that she is not a gamer... yet she pawned herself off as a gamer in order to collect the money she collected for making her videos. No matter whether a… | /r/MensRights | 23/01/14 12:26 PM |
| 1 | Men are not to blame (from /imgoingtohellforthis)oops - forgot about that. I will be more careful in the future. | /r/MensRights | 23/01/14 12:13 PM |
| 1 | Men are not to blame (from /imgoingtohellforthis)This is all pretty much answered in my reply to your other comment. This, however, is not entirely addressed. I think the issue is that you used a different definition of "blame" than was meant when it was first brought up. The issue is not about "different definitions" of blame. The issue is that you take offense at the idea of holding women responsible for their actions, and when you saw "men aren't responsible for this" you immediately hit it with the answer-to-do-these-pants-make-my-ass-look… | /r/MensRights | 23/01/14 12:11 PM |
| 1 | Men are not to blame (from /imgoingtohellforthis)I already replied to this, but I wanted to call it out again - the reply that I made to you (not Bodertz - check the usernames, they jumped in on this) was a tautological argument, not one in which I was dismissing your opinion due to your presumed sex. Again, bullshit - your comment on that makes it pretty clear that you decided gender determined the validity of the argument. The added factor of you deciding gender makes the statement that there are fake geek girls also invalid only compounds t… | /r/MensRights | 23/01/14 12:06 PM |
| 1 | Men are not to blame (from /imgoingtohellforthis)I don't think that sentence means anything. But I assume you mean that it doesn't matter. I disagree. If you don't think the sentence means anything, then you didn't read it carefully. However, I assume you're being factious in saying that, since in disagreeing with it, you've ascribed meaning. Regardless, no, it doesn't matter. It does not change the validity of the complaint regarding aggressively manipulative posers, nor does it change whether relational aggression is an abuse for which femal… | /r/MensRights | 22/01/14 05:27 PM |
| 1 | Men are not to blame (from /imgoingtohellforthis)For the record, you're not Columbo. You can keep trying to use the style, but when you try it by being dishonest about what you've said in the past, it doesn't work. You have ascribed to me the position that the entire discussion is a denial of what you labeled "the fake geek girl thing." There are assholes of both genders and all ethnicities and sexualities. The difference is that men are accused of systematically oppressing women by exhibiting the behavior depicted in the cartoon. The fact tha… | /r/MensRights | 22/01/14 05:27 PM |
| 3 | Men are not to blame (from /imgoingtohellforthis)What's the plural of anecdote again? That anecdotes are not proof of cause and effect (for example, getting sick at a hospital doesn't prove that hospitals make people sick) they are proof that an experience exists. You asked for proof of an experience. Evidence for that will necessarily be anecdotal, and the anecdotes given will carry more relevance and validity than a simple statement of opinion. It's not attributable to any one person, but that doesn't mean any one person isn't guilty of perp… | /r/MensRights | 22/01/14 06:33 AM |
| 3 | Men are not to blame (from /imgoingtohellforthis)What is the position I am ascribing to you that you do not hold? You're ascribing to me a position in this comment which is not contained in it. You've attempted to make that position the meaning of that comment by attempting connect it to the OP instead of the comment to which it was made in reply, thereby trying to change what it refers to in order to support your focus on fake geek girls. ...no, seriously, why would you interpret it that way instead of as agreement? I never said the opposite … | /r/MensRights | 22/01/14 06:21 AM |
| 4 | Men are not to blame (from /imgoingtohellforthis)Exactly. | /r/MensRights | 22/01/14 04:35 AM |
| 6 | Men are not to blame (from /imgoingtohellforthis)Yes, and female humans have the added advantage of both a physical appearance and a social structure that facilitate female aggression by eclipsing it with the appearance or presumption of harmlessness. | /r/MensRights | 22/01/14 04:30 AM |
| 8 | Men are not to blame (from /imgoingtohellforthis)I use 'I feel' and 'I believe' because I recognize that I don't know everything there is to know about these topics - no one possibly could, despite how well read one might believe they are. I leave room for doubt rather than stating my own opinions as fact. I am going to call bullshit on that. "I feel" and "I believe" are used to take a position and treat it as solid when you know it's not. In this case, the attempt is to counter experience and references with restating a dearly held opinion th… | /r/MensRights | 22/01/14 04:27 AM |
| 3 | Men are not to blame (from /imgoingtohellforthis)That picture was only in response to you saying that you weren't talking about fake geek girls. It was quite obvious, I assure you. I have never said that you were denying the phenomenon (and you accuse me of strawmanning), so stop acting like I did. Strawmanning me in a comment in which you claim not to be strawmanning me is like inceptupidity. I can understand you getting confused once, but this is ridiculous. I have to ask: What was going through your head that made you think that "okay" woul… | /r/MensRights | 22/01/14 03:51 AM |
| 2 | Men are not to blame (from /imgoingtohellforthis)The problem with your argument is proportion; if a lot of girls bully other girls, and one or two guys here and there go along with it, guys in general are not as responsible for its existence as the girls who initiate, proliferate, and enforce it. As for how I believe 'posers' should be handled, I don't personally care if someone pretends to like something I like merely so they can seem 'cool' or 'hipsterish.' The problem isn't simply with posers. The problem is with posers who try to enforce c… | /r/MensRights | 22/01/14 03:37 AM |
| 3 | Men are not to blame (from /imgoingtohellforthis)You are categorically stating that men do not engage in this kind of bullying. Again, this is you taking from the statement the concept you want to argue with, rather than the concept it represents. This shows that you're substituting "men don't ever do this behavior" for "men aren't to blame for this phenomenon." For the answer to your link, I'll refer you to my answer to that comment. The behavior exists - you arguing that nobody should ever be called out on it because some people aren't guilt… | /r/MensRights | 21/01/14 09:40 PM |
| 7 | Men are not to blame (from /imgoingtohellforthis)I'm having a really hard time believing that you are so blind to your own wording, so I would like to clarify what it is I'm seeing here, and I want to see if it matches up with what YOU believe you are trying to say: Your statements make it sound like you believe that men do not subscribe to this kind of 'shaming/ridicule/bullying.' If this is correct, then I refer to this statement: It's not that I'm blind to my wording. It's that you are taking from it what you want to argue against, instead … | /r/MensRights | 21/01/14 09:35 PM |
| 3 | Men are not to blame (from /imgoingtohellforthis)I love how you can just instantly generalize a huge, diverse group of people here, and automatically everyone takes it as if its the Truth. The diversity of feminist ideology is irrelevant when feminists in general do exactly what I've described. To paraphrase instead of quote: "Source that, but don't use any sources because I'm going to reject all of them." Prove that feminists who post to social networking sites don't study gender issues, and I'll get back to you... but don't forget to include… | /r/MensRights | 21/01/14 09:19 PM |
| 9 | Men are not to blame (from /imgoingtohellforthis)http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-long-reach-childhood/201109/bullying-in-the-female-world http://www.forbes.com/sites/worldviews/2012/04/30/why-women-are-the-worst-kind-of-bullies/ http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/having-sex-wanting-intimacy/201311/socially-adept-female-bullies http://www.bullyingstatistics.org/content/female-bullying.html http://www.levo.com/articles/career-advice/mean-girls-at-work Male bullies are more often directly confrontational. Female bullies are not; they're … | /r/MensRights | 21/01/14 09:08 PM |
| 7 | Men are not to blame (from /imgoingtohellforthis)In the context of social media and the internet, I believe "I believe" statements aren't evidence. And for what it's worth, yes, I have 'been through it.' (both bullying by guys and girls). But I don't pity myself for it and cry about how shitty I was treated growing up. Attempted marginalization by shaming is not a counter to "I've seen this happen - here's my experience." http://www.bullyingstatistics.org/content/female-bullying.html[1] states the following: 'Indirect bullying accounts for abo… | /r/MensRights | 21/01/14 09:07 PM |
| 3 | Men are not to blame (from /imgoingtohellforthis)Further typical feminist shaming - nice. I suppose you think there's a specific response you deserve? | /r/MensRights | 21/01/14 08:57 PM |
| 1 | Men are not to blame (from /imgoingtohellforthis)Typical feminist shaming language. Keep trying - it's a great example of exactly what I'm talking about. | /r/MensRights | 21/01/14 08:34 PM |
| 4 | Men are not to blame (from /imgoingtohellforthis)No more than women do - in fact a lot less. | /r/MensRights | 21/01/14 08:33 PM |
| 6 | Men are not to blame (from /imgoingtohellforthis)Forgotten already, have we? Again, you're attempting a strawman; the above comment isn't a denial of the phenomenon, simply a statement that attributing it to men is incorrect, and claiming it or anything else in this comic as evidence that men oppress women is dishonest. Okay. Stellar argument. What about calling girls out for that behaviour when they aren't partaking in said behavior? That's still not evidence that men oppress women, since it's a behavior you see from other women. Women cuttin… | /r/MensRights | 21/01/14 08:32 PM |
| 6 | Men are not to blame (from /imgoingtohellforthis)That original comic has been circulated in discussion on female stereotypes in which that type of heckling is cited as a sign of male oppression of women. That is the problem; the behavior isn't an inherently male behavior. In fact, it's more an inherently female behavior. | /r/MensRights | 21/01/14 08:07 PM |
| 10 | Men are not to blame (from /imgoingtohellforthis)http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-long-reach-childhood/201109/bullying-in-the-female-world http://www.forbes.com/sites/worldviews/2012/04/30/why-women-are-the-worst-kind-of-bullies/ http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/having-sex-wanting-intimacy/201311/socially-adept-female-bullies http://www.bullyingstatistics.org/content/female-bullying.html http://www.levo.com/articles/career-advice/mean-girls-at-work Male bullies are more often directly confrontational. Female bullies are not; they're … | /r/MensRights | 21/01/14 08:03 PM |
| 0 | Men are not to blame (from /imgoingtohellforthis)What I've pointed out about it is; feminists falsely blame male society for female behaviors in order to claim victim status. This is one example. | /r/MensRights | 21/01/14 07:52 PM |
| 15 | Men are not to blame (from /imgoingtohellforthis)At what point in my above comment do I mention the fake geek girl thing? And not to put too fine of a point on it, but there are girls who do that - step into a nerd or geek community with no attachment to the community, the subject that binds the community (gaming, programming, science, journalism, computer technology, whatever) and use the appearance of being part of that community as social cred. Then they start using damseling to gain attention for themselves and control others within that p… | /r/MensRights | 21/01/14 07:45 PM |
| 35 | Men are not to blame (from /imgoingtohellforthis)There are assholes of both genders and all ethnicities and sexualities. The difference is that men are accused of systematically oppressing women by exhibiting the behavior depicted in the cartoon. The fact that it's a mostly female behavior contradicts that accusation, regardless of whether or not the asshole population includes men. | /r/MensRights | 21/01/14 06:13 PM |
| 6 | Men are not to blame (from /imgoingtohellforthis)Feminists: MEN OPPRESS WOMEN BY WRONGFULLY CRITICIZING US! YOU MEN ARE ALL PIGS! MRAs: Uh, no, actually it's women doing that criticizing. It doesn't indicate anything about men. Magnusm1: MRAS ARE ALL BRATS FOR POINTING OUT THE TRUTH! QUIT WHINING. Don't think for a moment that's an effective approach. It's old, and we've grown accustomed to seeing it. | /r/MensRights | 21/01/14 05:51 PM |
| 5 | Men are not to blame (from /imgoingtohellforthis)Feminists treat this as a way in which men oppress women. If it's women who are the ones doing it, then it's not oppression by men. | /r/MensRights | 21/01/14 04:46 PM |
| -6 | Men are not to blame (from /imgoingtohellforthis)In reference to the above pic, no - in this case, men aren't to blame. It's true that the shaming depicted in this is something that women direct at each other. Women and girls tear each other down like that to establish social superiority, or at least to feel like they did. | /r/MensRights | 21/01/14 04:43 PM |
| 5 | Hey Guys, can you give me some information explaining the cause of the wage gap between men and women?There's quite a lot of information in this comment by shady8x. | /r/MensRights | 21/01/14 02:34 PM |
| 2 | 'Feminism is concerned with Men's Rights too.'It looks from the title that the complaint is that feminists lie when they say feminism is concerned with men's rights, too. When a men's issue is presented in a forum for the discussion of feminist issues, it gets banned or severely downvoted. If feminism was concerned with men's rights, too, the issue wouldn't be an off-topic post, and treating forced underage genital cutting as an equal issue regardless of the sex of the person whose genitals are cut wouldn't be offensive to feminists. There … | /r/MensRights | 20/01/14 07:15 AM |
| 4 | I don't know what I expected.Pretty sure I never said, or even implied, that I have any influence, personally. That you have no influence, and that your ideology isn't represented by influence, is enough to say that your assertions about feminism are meaningless. It is what it does, even if you spend every day on a men's issues discussion forum saying otherwise on the basis that the feminism that actually impacts society isn't your feminism. There's no reason for the average Joes/Joannes to be so hostile toward one another.… | /r/MensRights | 20/01/14 07:06 AM |
| 2 | I don't know what I expected.No, you haven't tried discussing men's issues here - you've tried inserting feminist ideology into discussion on men's issues. As far as when feminism comes up, that's because of feminist influence on law and policy, and how that relates to men's issues - a factor you keep trying to use the dishonest, whiny "but my feminism" argument to deny. | /r/MensRights | 20/01/14 06:39 AM |
| 3 | I don't know what I expected.Your point is dishonest, as is your assessment of my comment. Your presence here is toxic - you are consistently dishonest about the feminist movement vs your own, personal ideology. That approach in here is as irrelevant to the men's rights movement as your own beliefs, which lack influence in the feminist movement, are to them. | /r/MensRights | 20/01/14 06:37 AM |
| 2 | I don't know what I expected.Maybe if we focused more on having conversations and finding out what individuals think, instead of focusing so much on broad labels that convey very little meaning, we'd be able to find more ways to collaborate with each other. If you really wanted to do that, you'd stop trying to sell the sub on feminism, and simply discuss men's issues. | /r/MensRights | 20/01/14 06:20 AM |
| 3 | I don't know what I expected.As a jenny-come-lately, fringe-riding princess-of-femitopia feminist, your words on your behalf have no relation to feminism - they only relate to you. The effects of the advocacy of mainstream, established feminist organizations on society (the enactment of laws and policy and the effort to alter social standards) speaks for feminism. Your whiny, self-aggrandizing, excuse-making little voice doesn't. That will not change no matter how much you try to sell others on "feminism isn't what feminism… | /r/MensRights | 20/01/14 06:18 AM |
| 2 | I don't know what I expected.And before anyone brings it up, I don't care what NOW says or does. Dismissing the established, funded and world-effecting segment of feminism - which is the face of feminism and the mainstream part of the movement - doesn't make feminism better, change what the ideology is, or excuse associating yourself with the name. It doesn't make it possible for MRAs to work with feminists. What it does is show that you're more interested in feeling good about your own choices than you are about being hone… | /r/MensRights | 20/01/14 06:08 AM |
| 3 | I don't know what I expected.Men's rights activists could work with egalitarian groups, but not with feminists. Feminism is not an equal rights movement. It's a political power movement that bills itself as an equal rights movement to hide the hateful activities of its established mainstream. | /r/MensRights | 20/01/14 06:04 AM |
| 5 | I was raped! How am I the rapist?What a woman would do in your situation is irrelevant. How authorities will handle your situation is all that matters. The reality is that in court, because she's female, her word weighs more than yours. If you or she brings a he-said-she-said case, since you're male and she's underage, you're likely to be treated as a rapist even though she was the aggressor, because she's not going to admit that. A lawyer should be your first step. You should also think back and see if there's anyone you know … | /r/MensRights | 20/01/14 05:49 AM |
| 4 | What if we all called ourselves feminists? :DThat's the rub with NAFALT. To expand on your last sentence, because a lot of reddit feminists seem to think that the NAFALT label is illegitimate, it isn't that it's important to paint all feminists with the same brush simply to demonize all of them, but because so many of them use the NAFALT argument as a roundabout way of trying to infer something almost but not quite the same; All Feminists Are Not Like That, meaning that they try to use attention to some remote, backwater part of the spectr… | /r/MensRights | 20/01/14 05:32 AM |
| 2 | What if we all called ourselves feminists? :DThe effort would be worthwhile if anti-feminism could be re-branded as feminism, take over existing mainstream, heavily funded and legally supported feminist organizations, and reverse the vast majority of their legal achievements. | /r/MensRights | 20/01/14 05:17 AM |
| 1 | Let's talk about sexual shaming of menWhen I talk about male slut-shaming, I'm talking about the treatment of guys who are perceived by women to have obtained sexual gratification outside the social rules set to preserve the female sexual control franchise; guys who get called names like "player" because they date casually and have casual sex, and guys who get treated as perverts or worse for viewing porn, visiting strip clubs, or patronizing prostitutes. It's not as easily noted as slut shaming the way it is when women are shamed f… | /r/MensRights | 20/01/14 05:06 AM |
| 1 | At last, we know the truth about the hysterical troll panicWith the recent ruling on net nutrality, that matter of time may be very short. As easy as it was for feminists to exploit proxy female victim status to change how twitter handles reports of harassment, it's not a stretch at all to think they could get the same results with internet service providers. | /r/MensRights | 19/01/14 03:15 AM |
| 1 | Let's talk about sexual shaming of menYep - exactly. | /r/MensRights | 19/01/14 03:04 AM |
| 1 | Let's talk about sexual shaming of menThat's a good point - and that hit both sexes, but it still hit men harder. "Fallen women" were shamed, but they were also often treated as victims of predatory men who took advantage of their weakness, unless they were blatantly willful about their choice to eschew the social conventions. | /r/MensRights | 19/01/14 03:03 AM |
| 36 | Let's talk about sexual shaming of menOf course, I'm no gentleman... but we touched on this night before last on Honey Badger Radio, and are going to discuss it further next week. One thing I mentioned, and will continue to point out is that female slut shaming and male sexuality shaming (which is basically slut shaming of men, exponentially increased) stems in large part from the centuries long use of access to sex and companionship as a commodity by women. You could almost think of female society as the sex-for-benefits union, whe… | /r/MensRights | 18/01/14 12:49 PM |
| 5 | At last, we know the truth about the hysterical troll panicAnd feminists on twitter exploited proxy female victim status to agitate for new rule on the site that would allow women to silence male speech they did not like - complete with a stipulation intended to keep the requested system from working equally the other way around. This is how feminism operates. Step 1: Make mountain out of molehill (or sometimes thin air) by greatly exaggerating (or inventing) a problem. Step 2: Generalize supposed problem throughout target population (usually just men, … | /r/MensRights | 18/01/14 12:24 PM |
| 3 | Divorced dad with joint custody(week on/week off). Mother doesn't make kids do school workYou can't legally make her pay more attention to the kids. You can talk to her about it, and may even be able to get a judge to talk to her about it, but her behavior is really under nobody's control but her own. What you can do is legally get more opportunity to care for them yourself. Start by talking to their teachers, but don't make the discussion at all about your ex, and especially don't lay any blame, because that would make the educators think you're asking them to get in the middle of a… | /r/MensRights | 18/01/14 04:43 AM |
| 93 | I am a battered husband. Terrified of my wife.Being battered does not make you less of a man. You live in a society in which there is a social taboo (with legal repercussions) against any male aggression against a female, even if it's in self-defense. You're in a situation where no matter what you do, you're going to feel like you did the wrong thing. What you need to do now is focus on which path is going to be the safest route for you. It's no less violent for her to hit you than it would be if you hit first, and it's no less wrong. It's … | /r/MensRights | 18/01/14 04:31 AM |
| 9 | What (if anything) is wrong with infant circumcision?It violates the circumcised person's bodily integrity before he is old enough to consent. It creates a significant injury. Considering that the injury is deliberate and unnecessary (unlike medical treatment to alleviate a condition of unhealth) it's an act of violence. It is damaging to the function of the organ upon which it is performed. Considering that this damaging act of violence is visited upon the child's sex organ, it's a sexual assault. There really doesn't have to be any other reason … | /r/MensRights | 16/01/14 11:00 PM |
| 1 | Serious Question Regarding Women Being "Suppressed by Men" aka a PatriarchyWell, in relation to their own beliefs, that would fit - most women aren't hateful toward men the way RadFems are. Most women don't think all heterosexual sex is rape, and wouldn't tolerate such a plan. | /r/MensRights | 16/01/14 12:43 PM |
| 3 | UK to ban domain names with terms related to sex crime. Exceptions for "legitimate" sites. Potential for abuse.This could also be used to take down sites with political/social discussion related to sex crime laws, particularly sites dedicated to speech which disagrees with the feminist narrative on sex crimes as it has influenced law. | /r/MensRights | 16/01/14 12:38 PM |
| 2 | Serious Question Regarding Women Being "Suppressed by Men" aka a PatriarchyThat is definitely worth noting. | /r/MensRights | 16/01/14 12:22 PM |
| 3 | Serious Question Regarding Women Being "Suppressed by Men" aka a PatriarchyIn other words, if men really are stronger than women, and men wanted to dominate women, there would be no tolerance for a feminist movement. Likewise, one could argue that if women really had it as bad as feminists claim, and men really were as bad as feminists paint them... well, men have to sleep, and women have had ways of gathering in groups of just women (women's activities) for centuries. They could easily have, in the past, planned and executed exactly what RadFems advocate; the reductio… | /r/MensRights | 16/01/14 03:45 AM |
| 1 | Ex just got half of my deferred compensation savings...is there any tax deduction I can claim on it?Unfortunately, it's hard to be sure of subtle nuances in tax code like that. You can't even go by what a family court judge decides, if the judge's decision isn't consistent with tax law. I learned that when a friend's child support/tax credit arrangement was found by a criminal court judge to be in violation of federal tax laws. That's why it's best to take your specific case to a tax attorney, because even someone with personal experience may tell you the wrong thing. | /r/MensRights | 16/01/14 03:34 AM |
| 2 | Ex just got half of my deferred compensation savings...is there any tax deduction I can claim on it?This is a question for a tax attorney. Tax law is too tricky for the layman to accurately answer this kind of question. | /r/MensRights | 15/01/14 07:27 PM |
| 3 | [Serious] Feminists and Mens' Rights Activists of Reddit, why do you think the other gender is acting against your own? Is there anything your two ideologies do agree on? : AskRedditYou read the entire comment. Taking the first half of the first line of a paragraph out of context to avoid addressing the paragraph, which accurately describes feminist activism, is a dishonest approach. One cannot effectively approach the discriminatory conditions faced by men without addressing the causes of that discrimination. Feminist activism has led to, made use of, and/or perpetuated/exacerbated many of the factors which cause anti-male discrimination, especially in the court system. OP… | /r/MensRights | 15/01/14 07:02 PM |
| 2 | [Serious] Feminists and Mens' Rights Activists of Reddit, why do you think the other gender is acting against your own? Is there anything your two ideologies do agree on? : AskRedditA woman's behavior while drunk, whether she's tipsy or trashed, is treated as somebody else's fault. In fact, even her act of getting drunk is treated that way. If she's drinking with a guy, and embarrasses herself while drunk, she can later claim that the guy "got her drunk" (as if he poured the alcohol down her throat) and be taken seriously. A man's behavior while drunk, whether he's tipsy or trashed, is treated as his fault. His act of getting drunk is treated as deliberate and something for… | /r/MensRights | 15/01/14 06:10 PM |
| 1 | Prison rape is wrong, and these are the people fighting against it. We can support them.I was asking if you were done? You've said nothing but the same thing for the last several comments. We've established that I don't agree with you about the severity of the word "shitty." Actually, no. That's a mischaracterization of the discussion, and a continued attempt to dodge admitting your double standard. If I offended you by swearing, welcome to Reddit. Fuck no - the terminology doesn't change the point. The difference in your responses, on the other hand, makes it quite clear. Your eff… | /r/MensRights | 15/01/14 05:54 PM |
| 13 | Feminist: 'Anybody pushing a gender neutral approach to domestic - or sexual - violence is just a male violence enabler.'They have to marginalize everything that doesn't suit the feminist narrative. Women have to be the primary victims of everything. There cannot be significant attention to male victims, especially not male victims of female perpetrators, because that would take away from the proxy female victim status established feminism exploits for political and social power. | /r/MensRights | 15/01/14 05:40 PM |
| 11 | [Serious] Feminists and Mens' Rights Activists of Reddit, why do you think the other gender is acting against your own? Is there anything your two ideologies do agree on? : AskRedditThe problem is feminism can mean many things depending on who you ask. Anything from true equality (which I 100% support) to extremists advocating the complete subjegation of men, which I certainly do not. It's not that it means different things, but that people attribute different things to it. That doesn't change what feminism actually is and what feminists have actually done. It simply shows what its supporters pay attention to. The example you gave is a woman who tends to the latter end of t… | /r/MensRights | 15/01/14 06:07 AM |
| 18 | [Serious] Feminists and Mens' Rights Activists of Reddit, why do you think the other gender is acting against your own? Is there anything your two ideologies do agree on? : AskRedditIf feminists wanted men and women to be treated equally, they would never have objected to the fathers' rights movement's initial push for equal custody rights. They sure as shit wouldn't have supported Mary Koss, who has advised the U.S. government to not treat female on male rape as seriously as male on female rape, to the point where when the victim is male and the perp is female, they don't even call it rape. They wouldn't have opposed efforts to assist domestic violence victims who happen t… | /r/MensRights | 15/01/14 04:01 AM |
| 36 | [Serious] Feminists and Mens' Rights Activists of Reddit, why do you think the other gender is acting against your own? Is there anything your two ideologies do agree on? : AskRedditInteresting idea, wrong question for MRAs. Men's rights activism isn't based on the idea that women as a group are acting against men. It exists to address discriminatory conditions faced by men, which include societal tolerance for and facilitation of dysfunctional female behavior which impacts on men. Dysfunction isn't universal among women, and the movement doesn't claim that it is, but simply objects to the fact that when it occurs, it is enabled by law and policy. Where the misconception th… | /r/MensRights | 15/01/14 03:30 AM |
| 1 | Prison rape is wrong, and these are the people fighting against it. We can support them.Are you asking if you can have the last word? Sure - if you admit that's what you want. If you're asking if that was a last word attempt, no, it was an answer to your statement. Do we need to come up with a safe word or something? XD | /r/MensRights | 14/01/14 06:10 PM |
| 10 | Why does whiteness matter?The concept "privilege" relies on treating a factor's impact and meaning to the individual differently depending on whether or not victim politics ideologues want to treat the individual as a proxy victim, or a target. It has nothing to do with reality. It's more about shutting down dissent against their ideological push. | /r/MensRights | 14/01/14 02:44 AM |
| 1 | Prison rape is wrong, and these are the people fighting against it. We can support them.It would help if you would open yours. | /r/MensRights | 14/01/14 01:58 AM |
| 1 | Prison rape is wrong, and these are the people fighting against it. We can support them.No, you've made excuses for why you don't feel biased for having a double standard. That doesn't eliminate the bias. It just shows that you're more invested in feeling confident in your opinion than you are in considering what's been pointed out to you. | /r/MensRights | 13/01/14 10:13 PM |
| 1 | shouldn't this apply to everyone, not just women?Not every fat person is involved with that shit. Not every fat person gets called a fat fuck, either. In fact, I've never heard anyone I know use that term against anyone who hasn't just immediately before it been a complete and utter asshole to them. And again, I'd have more sympathy to the idea that fat people should be excluded from the type of badgering and criticism everyone else faces if those who advocate for that exception didn't trod on others to do it. It doesn't have to be all fat peo… | /r/MensRights | 13/01/14 10:12 PM |
| 1 | Father pays outstanding child support, still gets jail time - HoustonThe docket shows that there were hearings, but doesn't show what the specific judgements are, so it does not specifically show where the change described in the news story came from. At one point there's a comment that states no new order. Another case shows mediation, the result of which in my area is written up and submitted by the mediator following a decision. I've seen situations where a mediator wrote up an agreement differently than what was discussed by the parties. Seeing something with… | /r/MensRights | 13/01/14 12:44 PM |
| 3 | Many feminisms vs. many MRMsIt is a fact, and your own comment demonstrates it: No, that police abuse the law does not demonstrate that equality can be made into inequality. It demonstrates that laws can be abused. No, it is the law. Police have discretion whether or not to enforce, and that too is part of the law. That's not entirely true, either. Police don't have legal discretion whether to enforce the law. They can face penalties including prosecution if caught ignoring a crime. They're expected to know the difference … | /r/MensRights | 13/01/14 05:57 AM |
| 3 | Many feminisms vs. many MRMsAll it takes is for one of them to be so invested in ideology as to ignore valid information because he or she doesn't like what it implies. It's something you see with feminists regularly. Instead of "this can't be true because this set of facts contradicts it," you get "this can't be true and shame on you for saying it because it's anti-woman." | /r/MensRights | 13/01/14 05:56 AM |
| 1 | Prison rape is wrong, and these are the people fighting against it. We can support them.Begin at the beginning, and re-read. It's been described to you twice. | /r/MensRights | 13/01/14 05:20 AM |
| 3 | Many feminisms vs. many MRMsThat doesn't change the fact that legal equality can be turned to inequality by the social context. That's a claim, not a fact. Consider drug laws and the black population; even if you suppose that "all you have to do is follow the law", that does nothing to change the unequal application of enforcement (or the use of those laws as a tool for harassment and intimidation) by racist police departments. That's not following the law - it's abuse of the law. Further, it's an example of what I mention… | /r/MensRights | 13/01/14 04:55 AM |
| 1 | Father pays outstanding child support, still gets jail time - HoustonI would be interested in seeing some proof of that. | /r/MensRights | 13/01/14 04:19 AM |
| 1 | Prison rape is wrong, and these are the people fighting against it. We can support them.That would work if there wasn't a long series of comments proving it's not true. | /r/MensRights | 13/01/14 04:17 AM |
| 2 | Many feminisms vs. many MRMsAnd who gets to decide whether something is discriminatory against women? Feminists can and often DO claim that equality under law is actually inequality because of some social norm that is neither encoded in nor affected by legislation - and feminists are not the only ones who do this. This is called victim politics, and it doesn't alter what discrimination is, but seeks to use predatory exploitation of proxy victim status to excuse seeking legislation which does discriminate. The moment the la… | /r/MensRights | 13/01/14 04:17 AM |
| 3 | Many feminisms vs. many MRMsIt doesn't matter. Saying "well, feminism has real power to harm, and we're just a scattered bunch of gender issues heretics on the internet" isn't going to keep working if the MRM grows - and don't we want it to grow? I think this won't be a point unless MRAs successfully lobby for anti-woman discriminatory law, which is the thing feminists have done that MRAs address the most. And if that does happen, those who see it for what it would be - a wrong - should be responsible for standing up again… | /r/MensRights | 13/01/14 02:57 AM |
| 2 | I acknowledge Feminist BS exists.How exactly did you get here without knowing what sub this is? | /r/MensRights | 13/01/14 02:43 AM |
| 1 | Prison rape is wrong, and these are the people fighting against it. We can support them.Again, bullshit - your hypocrisy is clear in the sequence of your comments. It's been explained to you enough - and as I've pointed out, you can't excuse it via denial. You articulated a double standard that is characteristic of the same social attitudes which lead to discrimination against men, and you compounded it by trying to excuse your bigotry with more stereotyping of men. Your side of this discussion is a great example of the level of ingrained sexism men face in modern society. | /r/MensRights | 13/01/14 02:09 AM |
| 2 | shouldn't this apply to everyone, not just women?I'd have more sympathy for the "fat acceptance" movement if they stuck with some kind of supportive message instead of pulling shit like this. Since they do, I see them as nothing but epic whining hypocrites. | /r/MensRights | 13/01/14 02:04 AM |
| 1 | shouldn't this apply to everyone, not just women?"Fat acceptance" is ridiculous. By the existence of the term, it contradicts the intent of the movement by implying that the condition they're trying to get everyone to accept is by nature unacceptable. If they did as I described above, it would be much more effective than whining about the stigma attached to the label. | /r/MensRights | 13/01/14 01:53 AM |
| -8 | shouldn't this apply to everyone, not just women?No, it shouldn't apply at all. Yes, it's rude and mean to make bully people with shaming language. No, being called "fat" is not worse than any other form of criticism. The stupid thing about this is that at this point, it's about more 'normal' to be fat than to be thin. It shouldn't even be considered an insult; it's such a common state that you might as well be telling someone "You look like a whole lot of other people." Instead of giving the term so much power to make people feel reduced, the… | /r/MensRights | 12/01/14 02:45 PM |
| 1 | Prison rape is wrong, and these are the people fighting against it. We can support them.No, I'm using the evidence you provided. You attempting to infer hypocrisy after displaying such broadly different responses to the same circumstance, but involving opposite sexes, isn't irrelevant. Go back and re-read your initial comment, then your responses to my comments. You can ignore it, and you can make excuses for it, but you can't miss it. It's right out in the open. | /r/MensRights | 12/01/14 02:26 PM |
| 1 | Prison rape is wrong, and these are the people fighting against it. We can support them.No, "If so that's shitty" is shaming language, stating that it's wrong to have an effort that focuses on men. Try again when you're ready to stop making excuses. | /r/MensRights | 12/01/14 06:13 AM |
| 6 | Found this:Why Do Women Win Most Custody Battles?It's also not true. There was a time when custody defaulted to men, and it was difficult for women to gain custody following a divorce. It was feminist activism which changed that. Among other factors was Caroline Norton's writing of a bill known as the Custody of Infants act, and a "plain letter to the chancellor" in support of that bill. The Custody of Infants Act was the start of what is now referred to as the Tender Years Doctrine, the basis upon which it became traditional to place custody … | /r/MensRights | 12/01/14 05:53 AM |
| 1 | Prison rape is wrong, and these are the people fighting against it. We can support them.You didn't ask a question about why it excluded women - you assumed it excluded women, and proceeded to use shaming language. Then, when it was pointed out to you that there are many efforts which focus on women to the exclusion of men, you made excuses. Nobody has misunderstood you. You can keep trying to weasel out of acknowledging your bias, or you can acknowledge it, confront it, and overcome it. Those are your choices. | /r/MensRights | 12/01/14 05:39 AM |
| 3 | Do I belong here?You belong here because you have thoughts and opinions on the topic, and because (based on your post) you have a lot to learn about both men's issues, and feminism. Acknowledging and addressing men's issues isn't about being a victim. It's about addressing the conditions affecting men (in general) in the societies in which they live. Feminism isn't about equality. The role that established, funded mainstream feminism has played during the last 50 years has been harmful to both sexes. That there … | /r/MensRights | 12/01/14 05:37 AM |
| 2 | Confession: I had my son circumcised as a newborn before I understood how awful a practice it was, and now I feel sick to my stomach whenever I think about it.Tough shit. You have not handed out a smackdown worthy of the likeness, and you're not dealing with someone you can dominate simply by displaying an attitude. You're also not a movie character, and this isn't your imagination. Deal with it. | /r/MensRights | 12/01/14 02:48 AM |
| 1 | Prison rape is wrong, and these are the people fighting against it. We can support them.Your behavior speaks for itself - your words did not have to be explicit to demonstrate the difference in your attitude toward women vs your attitude toward men. When you can view a discussion on assisting men without demanding to know if the effort includes women, and when you can see a double standard against men without having to make lame excuses for it, get back to me. Until then, yes, I can use my "assumptions" about your opinion against you, because you've provided enough evidence to supp… | /r/MensRights | 12/01/14 02:47 AM |
| 1 | I need to write an essay against feminism due on monday. What are your best arguments against feminism?There may be some material here that can help you out. | /r/MensRights | 12/01/14 02:39 AM |
| 1 | Prison rape is wrong, and these are the people fighting against it. We can support them.The term "robbing" implies unwillful consent. I don't think they should be forced. Bullshit. Your comment implies that they should be obligated to do so simply because you are uncomfortable with the idea that any effort at all should focus solely on men. That's pretty much what you've shown here; you're comfortable enough with a shitload of effort being focused solely on women to make excuses for it, but uncomfortable enough with the idea of effort being focused on men that you had to invent a r… | /r/MensRights | 11/01/14 06:07 PM |
| 1 | Prison rape is wrong, and these are the people fighting against it. We can support them.You didn't just say that men are raised to be more aggressive. You dismissed the factors involved in discrimination related to judicial bias against men with the generalized inference that men earn longer sentences because men are more aggressive - a claim that is debunked by the article you didn't read, linked in the comment to which you replied with it. | /r/MensRights | 11/01/14 06:05 PM |
| 2 | Confession: I had my son circumcised as a newborn before I understood how awful a practice it was, and now I feel sick to my stomach whenever I think about it.I'm not making a request, simply pointing out the obvious. Again, bullshit. Your initial comment is an example of the social imposition of obligation via shaming. The fact that there are literally hundreds (if not thousands) of other redditors that have made similar statements is all the proof I need. Fallacious Appeal to popularity. In a site where the ratio of men to women is 2:1, this sub continues to crawl at a slow pace with under 100,000 subscribers Dismissing a statement as having no valu… | /r/MensRights | 11/01/14 06:05 PM |
| 1 | Prison rape is wrong, and these are the people fighting against it. We can support them.I did not word that clearly enough to get the point across. You are blaming men who are victims of judicial bias for the judicial bias against them. | /r/MensRights | 11/01/14 03:44 PM |
| 2 | The Rape Nobody Talks About - SYABM critiques some flawed attempts at addressing the issue.In February of 2013 I sent a Freedom of Information act request to the CDC asking for the raw numbers from 2010 for the various areas of intimate partner and sexual violence, with a specific set of questions. The CDC took almost a year to reply, sent me a PDF file with copy/paste errors in it that looks very much like it was thrown together at the last minute, and insisted on trying to tell me that it was useless before releasing it to me. Their explanation for why it was supposedly useless didn… | /r/MensRights | 11/01/14 04:42 AM |
| 19 | [Serious Question] Is this movement polluted with misogyny, or are the extremists just sticking out?Neither - it's not that the movement is polluted or misogyny sticks out, but that you wrongly interpret disagreement with false feminist claims as "misogyny" and are attempting to use the term to shut down open discourse. Opposing feminism isn't misogyny. Feminism doesn't represent women - it only represents its own political view, and contrary to your claim, the established, funded, mainstream of the movement is a hate-spewing, anti-male lobbying collective. Beyond that, let's look at your wage… | /r/MensRights | 11/01/14 03:45 AM |
| 1 | Prison rape is wrong, and these are the people fighting against it. We can support them.It's not an assumption - you've demonstrated that by your response. You bent over backward to just barely stick your toe in the water when it came to criticizing the only female focus, while your response to your own concern over an only male focus was unadulterated. Regarding your second paragraph, it's pretty clear that you didn't read the linked article, or you would not be blaming men for the judicial bias. If you want to see the issue discussed here, submit a post bringing it up. It's on yo… | /r/MensRights | 11/01/14 02:33 AM |
| 2 | Confession: I had my son circumcised as a newborn before I understood how awful a practice it was, and now I feel sick to my stomach whenever I think about it.Labeling the presentation of facts "scare tactics" is an attempt to shut down protests. What you have essentially said is "don't really talk about the issue - it's too distasteful for other people to hear." Which is tough shit - and a request you're not entitled to expect to be honored. | /r/MensRights | 11/01/14 02:25 AM |
| 9 | Someone told me you guys were very against circumcision and would call me a liar for saying I didn't lose sensitivity after my surgery at age 16. I disagreed, you guys are open for whatever a guy wantIt's not circumcision, but involuntary circumcision that is considered a men's issue. Whether you personally lost sensation or did not isn't relevant to that issue. (link NSFW) The foreskin has other purposes besides sensation, though you did lose nerves that are unique from the other nerves in your penis. The change in sensation is going to vary from guy to guy, so it's possible that you haven't noticed any change, while another guy going through the procedure might notice significant change. P… | /r/MensRights | 11/01/14 02:16 AM |
| 25 | Feminist who organized a wikipedia edit-a-thon hired by wikipedia and subsequently fired for doing paid editingFrankly, the edit-a-thon and the way it was handled are reasons to treat Wikipedia as an unreliable source for information. Because one cannot be sure that the writing in an article is vetted against the use of a political filter in its presentation, it's better to use other sources and seek other discussion on any issue one is trying to research. It's an okay source for noting the sources on which a claim is based (looking at the sources cited by the writer of the article) but one should never … | /r/MensRights | 10/01/14 12:41 PM |
| 1 | Prison rape is wrong, and these are the people fighting against it. We can support them.And on what basis, other than sexism, is it shitty to focus only on one gender? Don't be dishonest about the things you've said. That doesn't help your case. Regarding the rest of your comment; Let's start with one of the reasons why there's such a great discrepancy between the genders in sentencing and incarceration. That women in general are treated with leniency in comparison to men is part of the problem; that there is greater focus on sparing women the suffering associated with incarceratio… | /r/MensRights | 10/01/14 12:28 PM |
| 2 | Confession: I had my son circumcised as a newborn before I understood how awful a practice it was, and now I feel sick to my stomach whenever I think about it.Or maybe, just maybe, some of them are trying to give you some (from their perspective) helpful advice. The same claim is made by everyone who attempts to use false tone arguments to shut down protest over abuses. That you believe you're different doesn't change what you're doing any more than it would make it not theft to steal from another something to which you believe yourself entitled. You are no less a liar and a troll for attempting to impose a false label on the basis of your own sensibi… | /r/MensRights | 10/01/14 12:15 PM |
| 2 | Confession: I had my son circumcised as a newborn before I understood how awful a practice it was, and now I feel sick to my stomach whenever I think about it.Hey, guess what - I've been tracking that pattern longer than you have. We know that we get brigaded by other subs. That concern trolls get upvoted is not evidence that tone arguments have merit, but that they're used to try to take control of a discussion. | /r/MensRights | 10/01/14 01:54 AM |
| 2 | Prison rape is wrong, and these are the people fighting against it. We can support them.It's amazing how quickly you turned around on that when the idea of groups that help only women. You were willing to pounce on the idea being sexist until that point. Making the "no true scotsman" argument doesn't excuse that. Neither does trying to soften your statement instead of outright admitting that you have a double standard. | /r/MensRights | 10/01/14 01:21 AM |
| 2 | Confession: I had my son circumcised as a newborn before I understood how awful a practice it was, and now I feel sick to my stomach whenever I think about it.Asking a handful of men to grow up and start communicating like mature adults is the opposite of silence This doesn't actually address what I said, but is an attempt to twist the meaning of it into something different. Nice try, but no dice. After reading more of the historical posts on the topic, its clear that a handful of angry little boys is determined to ruin this subreddit for many others This shows that you haven't read anything on this topic, and that I've pegged you accurately. | /r/MensRights | 09/01/14 04:27 AM |
| 4 | Prison rape is wrong, and these are the people fighting against it. We can support them.I'm not making a statement as to whether this targets only males or not, because I don't know, but instead addressing your inference that targeting only one gender when attempting to address an issue in the prison population is unacceptable. If that is your stance, then what do you think of the following initiatives? ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^<sup>.</sup> California Coalition for Women Prisoners is a grassroots social justice organization, with members inside and outside prison, that challenges the institut… | /r/MensRights | 09/01/14 04:24 AM |
| 2 | Confession: I had my son circumcised as a newborn before I understood how awful a practice it was, and now I feel sick to my stomach whenever I think about it.So even though I agree with the movement on the basis of self-determination, I am an enemy because I suggest that people shouldn't run around acting like assholes? No, the fact that you're making a false claim about the movement's speech demonstrates an interest in silencing it. It appears that having a foreskin, can in fact, make you a bigger dick. Your research on the subject of my genitalia is somewhat lacking. ;) | /r/MensRights | 09/01/14 03:38 AM |
| 1 | The talk that you -must- have with your son. If you don't, it's your fault -when- he becomes a rapist.Thanks :) | /r/MensRights | 09/01/14 03:06 AM |
| 2 | Confession: I had my son circumcised as a newborn before I understood how awful a practice it was, and now I feel sick to my stomach whenever I think about it.That's also not necessarily true - during the slave and jim crow eras, tone was mentioned every time an oppressed black person even appeared to be standing up for himself. Tone is quite often mentioned when the tone-arguer's attitude is challenged in a way he or she cannot counter. That is what you're doing. It doesn't work here. | /r/MensRights | 09/01/14 03:04 AM |
| 40 | I had a girl tell me what a "real man" was today...Next time a woman tries to tell you what a real man is, tell her you're imaginary, and if she stops thinking about you, you'll disappear. Then, walk away. | /r/MensRights | 08/01/14 12:46 PM |
| 3 | Had a thought, didn't really know where else to put it for discussion.Yes, we do - but it's not universal. There is also support. From my experience, it depends on other related (and unrelated) beliefs held by the person I'm dealing with. I've seen lesbians treat bisexuality as fake, an affront to lesbianism, and involvement with a male partner as superficial promiscuity, on the presumption that said involvement must be meaningless to me because it would be meaningless to them. I've also experienced the same slut-shaming some straight girls do, by the type who get… | /r/MensRights | 08/01/14 12:45 PM |
| 3 | Question from a Muslim guy....People define what is misogyny based on their own personal sensibilities and prejudices. http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/files/2008/12/1.png | /r/MensRights | 08/01/14 05:04 AM |
| 6 | In a world where it's seen as fair if women dump men who lied about where they worked, is it really fair to label men as jerks for dumping their girlfriends after finding out what they really look like under their makeup?The problem is that you're facing a double standard within society that is fueled by other double standards. There's been a huge effort during the last few decades at making it politically incorrect to judge a woman by her appearance. Men haven't been the benefactors of as much of an effort - aside from certain groups (the physically handicapped, for instance) there hasn't been much energy directed toward ending the shaming of men for being unattractive. So it's politically incorrect to reject a… | /r/MensRights | 08/01/14 04:19 AM |
| 3 | In a world where it's seen as fair if women dump men who lied about where they worked, is it really fair to label men as jerks for dumping their girlfriends after finding out what they really look like under their makeup?Personally, I think both of you are better off not dating each other. It does not matter whether you're sensible, shallow, or something in between for ending a relationship with someone for whom you've lost attraction. Staying with someone you're not attracted to isn't something you should be guilt-tripped into by other people - it just locks you into a relationship that on some level is going to be prohibitively dissatisfying, and will likely include dysfunction because of that. | /r/MensRights | 08/01/14 03:50 AM |
| 1 | In a world where it's seen as fair if women dump men who lied about where they worked, is it really fair to label men as jerks for dumping their girlfriends after finding out what they really look like under their makeup?Well, that's just it - why are you the asshole for calling out the false advertising? Why is she's not an asshole for being so fake? | /r/MensRights | 08/01/14 03:42 AM |
| 0 | In a world where it's seen as fair if women dump men who lied about where they worked, is it really fair to label men as jerks for dumping their girlfriends after finding out what they really look like under their makeup?Most women in our society wear makeup, and are especially expected to do so on dates/in romantic settings. Even a naturally pretty woman would likely be labeled "sloppy" or perceived as "not caring" if she showed up to a date without any makeup on. This is actually untrue. I don't wear makeup, except in conjunction with Halloween costumes, and a short stint modeling for a painter. I gave regular use of it a try, and frankly the experience sucked. It's stifling, irritating to the skin, and a time… | /r/MensRights | 08/01/14 03:18 AM |
| 3 | In a world where it's seen as fair if women dump men who lied about where they worked, is it really fair to label men as jerks for dumping their girlfriends after finding out what they really look like under their makeup?Which person is more obsessed with appearances - the guy who loses interest the first time he sees his usually made-up girlfriend's real face, or the woman who spends every fucking day of her life sculpting a fake one to cover it? | /r/MensRights | 08/01/14 03:00 AM |
| 1 | In need of advice. Was this rape or sexual assault?That cements what I said earlier - what you have described is rape. The mentality that men cannot be raped is widespread. A lot of people make the mistake of believing that erection is consent. It's a physical reflex, not a conscious action. You shouldn't be expected to treat it as anything else, and nobody else has a right to, either. | /r/MensRights | 08/01/14 01:53 AM |
| 2 | Confession: I had my son circumcised as a newborn before I understood how awful a practice it was, and now I feel sick to my stomach whenever I think about it.That same thing is said to all civil rights advocates. And no, you're not contributing to the conversation. You can keep whining about tone, but that you value your opinion does not for a moment entitle you to be taken seriously by people having an actual conversation on a topic you obviously can't intelligently discuss - because if you could, tone would be the least of your concerns. | /r/MensRights | 08/01/14 01:28 AM |
| 6 | The talk that you -must- have with your son. If you don't, it's your fault -when- he becomes a rapist.By contrast, here are some conversations you might have a better recollection of. I'll give you a telling hint: they probably weren't with your daughter. "Treat all women with respect – you don't want to be that guy." "Don't talk that way in front of a lady." "Have her home by (curfew.)" "If you want respect, you have to earn it." "Be a man who deserves a good partner." "A real man..." followed by any advice you wanted taken seriously. "That's just the way girls are – don't take it so personally… | /r/MensRights | 08/01/14 01:23 AM |
| 6 | The talk that you -must- have with your son. If you don't, it's your fault -when- he becomes a rapist.Reversing the sexes... this took a little more than just a simple change of gender, because there is one way women sexually assault men that isn't common in the reverse. The added text for formatting also means this will take two comments to post. To the Parents of U.S. Teenagers, (An open letter.) Remember that intimate conversation you had with your daughter? The one where you said, "I love you and I need you to know that no matter how a man dresses or acts, it is not an invitation to cat call… | /r/MensRights | 08/01/14 01:23 AM |
| 2 | Confession: I had my son circumcised as a newborn before I understood how awful a practice it was, and now I feel sick to my stomach whenever I think about it.A quick look at my karma proves otherwise. A quick look at your karma proves that you do this habitually. I'm saying what many others have said in the past, and will continue to say until the anti-circumcision movement decides they actually want to make progress. Bullshit - you're strawmanning the movement as whiny as a way of dodging discussion on the practice. A tone argument isn't of any value when it's not even made in response to an existing tone. Insulting men who are already circumcised i… | /r/MensRights | 07/01/14 10:23 PM |
| 1 | In need of advice. Was this rape or sexual assault?I have to say first thing that there are a few hallmarks of a troll post here, but I'm going to respond as if this is not a troll post, just because there's something that needs highlighted and clarified in your story. If you had said, "I consented because I was drunk and not thinking clearly" or "I kept touching, cuddling, and making out with her while telling her we shouldn't, and she didn't stop" my response be different. I would tell you that no, you weren't raped, but were describing a choi… | /r/MensRights | 07/01/14 10:03 PM |
| 1 | How Jezebel has perverted feminismThanks :) | /r/MensRights | 07/01/14 08:58 PM |
| 4 | How Jezebel has perverted feminismNo, it's the opposite; Jezebel hasn't perverted feminism, but exposed it for what it is. That the site makes a profit from that is irrelevant. | /r/MensRights | 07/01/14 08:57 PM |
| 2 | Confession: I had my son circumcised as a newborn before I understood how awful a practice it was, and now I feel sick to my stomach whenever I think about it.The only honest thing you've said in that comment is "nope," and I question the honesty of that. Everything you've said is true of the arguments made for the cessation of female circumcision. Your personal opinion of the tone is as applicable to that effort as it is to the intactivist movement. That it's your only argument demonstrates a lack of intellectual investment in the topic. As such, downvotes prove you're not contributing anything of substance to the conversation. And continuing to whin… | /r/MensRights | 07/01/14 08:56 PM |
| 29 | How Jezebel has perverted feminismThe article is in some ways a good indictment of Jezebel, but Abrahams really misses the mark by describing the blog as the ruination of feminism rather than the response that it is to the evolution of feminism. The whiny, puerile, hateful and dishonest approach that blog takes to gender issues isn't different from the approach of mainstream feminism, or even "nice" feminism. It's just not as heavily concealed under persuasive or academic speech. | /r/MensRights | 07/01/14 06:04 PM |
| -1 | Can anything be done about SRS's constant downvote brigading?When you see posts you suspect to be brigaded, if you have time, please leave a comment on this blog post with a link to the comments under the brigaded post, and a statement describing what told you the post had been brigaded. This is something I could use help tracking. | /r/MensRights | 07/01/14 05:30 PM |
| 1 | What is one part of feminism that you agree with/acknowledge?Awe, it's cute the way you try to make my feelings the subject of discussion. I didn't realize AMR trolls were willing to be so openly emotional. ;) | /r/MensRights | 07/01/14 05:00 PM |
| 2 | How to stop people from circumcising their children- some excellent posts by mensright users geared towards activism.Side-note Addendum: You're advocating circumcision on the basis that it'll prevent penile cancer (a claim you can't guarantee) which boasts the following stats: Penile cancer is very rare in North America and Europe. Penile cancer occurs in less than 1 man in 100,000 and accounts for less than 1% of cancers in men in the United States. Would you also advocate preventative double mastectomy in little girls to prevent breast cancer, which boasts the following stats? Breast cancer is the most commo… | /r/MensRights | 07/01/14 07:27 AM |
| 3 | How to stop people from circumcising their children- some excellent posts by mensright users geared towards activism.Case law is not an infallible measure of rights. | /r/MensRights | 07/01/14 07:13 AM |
| 5 | How to stop people from circumcising their children- some excellent posts by mensright users geared towards activism.It was to counter your claim that there was no benefits. Not that they are the sole arbitrator of truth. I imagine you say that because you feel challenged at level and your ego cant handle that. Or being wrong. No, a counter to the claim would be to demonstrate benefits, not to reply with a fallacious appeal to authority - which you is what you did. You've failed to counter the body of evidence I provided debunking your use of the CDC's statement. Now, you are moving the goalpost from the CDC t… | /r/MensRights | 07/01/14 07:07 AM |
| 2 | I've been debating (fighting?) with my female friend over the existence of sexism against men. We used to work at the same place until the owner fired all the guys.Thanks :) The link in that comment is to one of the posts on my blog (a post that is relevant to the comment, but I think too long to copy/paste.) Girlwriteswhat discusses feminist terms quite a bit. I recommend her youtube channel. I also suggest looking through GendErratic, and be ready to address attempts to use shaming speech to shut you down, because as soon as the feminist(s) you're debating with can't counter your arguments, that's usually the next step. | /r/MensRights | 07/01/14 06:51 AM |
| 2 | Confession: I had my son circumcised as a newborn before I understood how awful a practice it was, and now I feel sick to my stomach whenever I think about it.You realize you just described the arguments used against female circumcision, don't you? | /r/MensRights | 07/01/14 06:34 AM |
| 6 | How to stop people from circumcising their children- some excellent posts by mensright users geared towards activism.Yes, it's fallacious. No, it's not what I was telling you that you didn't support - your insinuated argument is that because of the CDC's "authority" (as arbiters of truth) the name of the CDC supports a using "the CDC disagrees with you" as a counter to the above comment. Sorry I didn't explain it on a more elementary level the first time. Regarding the CDC's claim that circumcision reduces a man's risk of contracting HIV is not based on reliable evidence. Studies that have been cited in suppor… | /r/MensRights | 07/01/14 06:32 AM |
| 1 | Confession: I had my son circumcised as a newborn before I understood how awful a practice it was, and now I feel sick to my stomach whenever I think about it.No, my prediction was about what would happen if the medical community suddenly lost its collective mind and started focusing its efforts on growing foreskin. Your prediction, which does use the phrase " if the first thing we grow back from stem cells" as if "we" (meaning society) haven't already done that, shows that you don't know the first thing about stem cell research. Still, you keep changing how you phrase your statement. Now you're talking about the medical community's focus, rather than… | /r/MensRights | 07/01/14 05:02 AM |
| 1 | What is one part of feminism that you agree with/acknowledge?Keep trying. You're not offering anything worth countering, but you're becoming entertaining. | /r/MensRights | 07/01/14 04:52 AM |
| 2 | How to stop people from circumcising their children- some excellent posts by mensright users geared towards activism.A fallacious appeal to authority does not eliminate the information presented to you. Human authority does not alter the meaning and impact of facts. If you have some facts that back up your claim, that's one thing. If not, waving the CDC's name across the discussion is useless. After all, you're citing an organization that can't even get its shit together enough to realistically and honestly define rape. | /r/MensRights | 07/01/14 04:51 AM |
| 13 | Confession: I had my son circumcised as a newborn before I understood how awful a practice it was, and now I feel sick to my stomach whenever I think about it.TIL - "everybody does it" is a justifying excuse for treating an abuse as a normal behavior. | /r/MensRights | 06/01/14 05:13 PM |
| 2 | You Take Away When I Give In: Toxic Masculinity This is a long-promised post to address what I see as the problems with Toxic Masculinity, a feminist concept used to address what’s seen as issues with men’s gender role.Thanks :) | /r/MensRights | 06/01/14 05:12 PM |
| 7 | Confession: I had my son circumcised as a newborn before I understood how awful a practice it was, and now I feel sick to my stomach whenever I think about it.If those articles pointed to stories and journal articles about research done using stem cells to regrow foreskin, using NIH grant money and millions in donations, then yes, I would predict riots. Moving the goalposts - Your initial prediction was about the application of the research, not about the performance of the research. Research into regrowth of human tissue using adult stem cells will lead to the ability to grow skin and nerves this way. It would be no less appropriate to use it to repl… | /r/MensRights | 06/01/14 04:57 PM |
| 2 | What is one part of feminism that you agree with/acknowledge?I hope it's helpful in debate. It's my go-to answer for the shitload of pro-feminism spam we get here - which I've been somewhat lazily trying to track here, along with a few other interesting patterns. | /r/MensRights | 06/01/14 04:49 PM |
| 1 | What is one part of feminism that you agree with/acknowledge?Unmerited attempts at snark do not trump the presentation of information, but they do quite nicely demonstrate your inability to counter it. | /r/MensRights | 06/01/14 04:38 PM |
| 11 | Confession: I had my son circumcised as a newborn before I understood how awful a practice it was, and now I feel sick to my stomach whenever I think about it.Let's see how this pans out in the reverse: I've never really understood the various extreme emotions surrounding this topic. The ONLY point should be to make sure that female circumcision (type 1 ) is included in medical and religious discussions between two expecting parents and their peer group. It should be talked about in sex-ed classes and similar forums so that people can make informed choices, but all the attention this topic gets kinda pulls away from the much more pressing issues for t… | /r/MensRights | 06/01/14 04:35 PM |
| 6 | Confession: I had my son circumcised as a newborn before I understood how awful a practice it was, and now I feel sick to my stomach whenever I think about it.Considering the successes that are coming out of research using adult stem cells, it's possible that the patient's own stem cells could be used for this purpose. Riots would be rather childish, in that case. "How dare you use your own body to heal itself?" would be a completely unjustified complaint. http://www.chron.com/news/health/article/Saving-lives-with-help-from-pigs-and-cells-4217384.php http://news.columbia.edu/record/1729 http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/04/120418095011.htm | /r/MensRights | 06/01/14 04:25 PM |
| 13 | There is a new spammer/troll about...ihaveahadron What a quarky name. >_< | /r/MensRights | 05/01/14 11:59 PM |
| 2 | What is one part of feminism that you agree with/acknowledge?The problem with people who call themselves feminists because they like the idea of equality, but don't take an active interest in what their movement is doing, is that they make themselves the Four Minute men for a movement which, in practice, is the opposite of what they claim to believe. | /r/MensRights | 05/01/14 11:29 PM |
| 1 | I don't dislike feminism for what it stands for. I dislike feminism for what it doesn't stand for.It's a mistake to believe that feminists have fought to free society from damaging gender roles. They haven't done that. They've labeled gender roles that don't suit their purposes damaging, and fought to enforce a society-wide abandonment of them, while simultaneously fighting to preserve social and legal imposition of gender roles that do suit their purposes. In their lobby against equally shared parenting, feminists have sought to impose the treatment of mothers as the more natural parent. In… | /r/MensRights | 05/01/14 11:15 PM |
| 3 | What is one part of feminism that you agree with/acknowledge?They like people thinking they're in line with the idea. In practice they demonstrate quite the opposite. | /r/MensRights | 05/01/14 10:58 PM |
| 9 | What is one part of feminism that you agree with/acknowledge?The question is, how is equality actually part of feminism, when the established, funded, active mainstream of the feminist movement has demonstrated otherwise? | /r/MensRights | 05/01/14 10:58 PM |
| 22 | Father pays outstanding child support, still gets jail time - HoustonOne really disturbing aspect to this case: The child support and visitation schedules were "modified" without the father's knowledge. This should never happen. It's bad enough that he's being wrongfully penalized, but the reason is downright ludicrous. This judge has decided the court can order an individual to do something (assign a financial obligation, impose a visitation schedule) without telling the individual what he's ordered to do and then penalize him for not knowing and therefore not d… | /r/MensRights | 05/01/14 10:53 PM |
| 3 | You Take Away When I Give In: Toxic Masculinity This is a long-promised post to address what I see as the problems with Toxic Masculinity, a feminist concept used to address what’s seen as issues with men’s gender role.One major issue I have with the "toxic masculinity" concept is that it treats as strictly masculine issues or dysfunction that are common to both sexes. The example cited under "Wrong about what the issues are" highlights this. Feminists also complain that women are afraid to come forward about their abuse following a sexual assault, and blame exactly the same causes that men face. So when feminists acknowledge or articulate an issue (not coming forward about one's abuse following a sexual assau… | /r/MensRights | 05/01/14 06:35 AM |
| 0 | Six-year-old boy accused of raping his cousin, aged five, in 'mummy and daddy game'Those poor kids. If there wasn't trauma induced by the experience for either of them prior to discovery by the grandmother, there sure as hell will be now. | /r/MensRights | 05/01/14 06:17 AM |
| 2 | This man was extremely lucky. How can others protect ourselves from such accusations?The importance of vetting your potential partner before you get married is my point. That's part of what dating is for - not just trying to make a connection, but trying to determine if you should be making that connection with this person. | /r/MensRights | 05/01/14 03:50 AM |
| 9 | This man was extremely lucky. How can others protect ourselves from such accusations?I talked about this in another thread with a similar discussion on how to avoid being falsely accused. The smart thing is to develop a healthy cynicism toward a potential partner. You do not have to assume every woman you meet is a devil - just do not assume every woman you meet is an angel, either. Hold the women you interact with to the same behavioral standards you have for men - the same standards you face. Reserve your respect and your trust for those who earn them, and don't make yourself … | /r/MensRights | 04/01/14 05:44 PM |
| 1 | Men’s Rights Activists target sexual assault victim advocate with false rape ‘accuse-a-thon’Found wanting. Feminists are a trip. The idea that men sit around talking about raping women is just as ridiculous as white radical feminists' methods. The idea that a campaign to tell people rape is bad is going to stop people who already know that and don't care is even more ludicrous. It's so ridiculous, in fact, that it indicates to me as a woman who has spent her whole life observing men, women, and feminist promulgation on both that the goal is not about preventing rape, but about spreadin… | /r/MensRights | 04/01/14 05:30 PM |
| 15 | How to stop people from circumcising their children- some excellent posts by mensright users geared towards activism.There is no benefit to having your son's genitals cut. It won't improve his health, and it won't improve his hygiene. Your son isn't guaranteed to suffer from premature ejaculation just because you do, and circumcision isn't a treatment for it. Given the causes, the condition may not even be prevented by it. What it does do is open the skin (the biggest organ in your child's immune system) in a place that's going to regularly come in contact with urine and feces. By having circumcision done, you… | /r/MensRights | 04/01/14 06:22 AM |
| 3 | I hear "all men are rapists" so much that I don't even want to have sex anymoreCalifornia is a "two party state." The Brian Banks case was in California. Wanetta Gibson was taped without her knowledge and consent, and the tape was admissible. Evidence that cannot be used for conviction or civil suit simply because it was illegally obtained can be used to exonerate the accused. | /r/MensRights | 04/01/14 05:41 AM |
| 1 | I hear "all men are rapists" so much that I don't even want to have sex anymoreSome people take longer than others. Some never do grow out of it. And that type of dysfunction in women is fostered by a society of enablers. | /r/MensRights | 04/01/14 05:19 AM |
| 3 | Any gay MRA's out there?https://pay.reddit.com/r/MensRights/search?q=gay&restrict_sr=on | /r/MensRights | 04/01/14 05:11 AM |
| 3 | Men’s Rights Activists target sexual assault victim advocate with false rape ‘accuse-a-thon’Yes, and sometimes impact so spirit-crushing it leads to suicide. | /r/MensRights | 04/01/14 05:05 AM |
| 2 | I hear "all men are rapists" so much that I don't even want to have sex anymoreLet me first get a clear picture of what that means. Are you talking about a 30 year old woman who A shifts blame whenever she screws up treats molehills as mountains or exaggerates her own suffering in comparison to that of others to her own detriment, fails to consider her choices before jumping in and consistently expects others to solve her problems for her or B a a 30 year old woman who who does the opposite; owns her mistakes is realistic about her problems and her suffering in comparison … | /r/MensRights | 04/01/14 03:13 AM |
| 5 | Men’s Rights Activists target sexual assault victim advocate with false rape ‘accuse-a-thon’I'd call it incomplete. | /r/MensRights | 03/01/14 10:31 PM |
| 5 | Men’s Rights Activists target sexual assault victim advocate with false rape ‘accuse-a-thon’Feminists view: if you have a drunken woman on your couch, don't rape her. What is so hard to understand about that? Male rights view: Not every man is a rapist. I get offended by the narrative that every man is a potential rapist. my opinion: between the views. This is an incomplete description. The feminist view treats that rape as something that happens because men don't know any better. It doesn't. It happens because criminals, those who actually commit the crime, don't care. Rape isn't an a… | /r/MensRights | 03/01/14 08:30 PM |
| 10 | Men’s Rights Activists target sexual assault victim advocate with false rape ‘accuse-a-thon’It's the typical dishonest feminist approach - equating drawing attention to the existence of false rape accusations to objection to consideration of accusations of rape, and to treatment of rape as a crime. MRAs aren't offended that people consider raping women rape, even if we are offended that people don't consider raping men rape. We object as a group to treating accusation by a woman against a man as a reason to sacrifice the man. Neither the nature of the accusation, nor the sex of the acc… | /r/MensRights | 03/01/14 08:13 PM |
| 5 | I hear "all men are rapists" so much that I don't even want to have sex anymoreThe smart thing is to develop a healthy cynicism toward a potential partner. You do not have to assume every woman you meet is a devil - just do not assume every woman you meet is an angel, either. Hold the women you interact with to the same behavioral standards you have for men - the same standards you face. Reserve your respect and your trust for those who earn them. Don't sleep with someone you don't trust, and learn about the person you're interested in before you give her that trust. If sh… | /r/MensRights | 03/01/14 07:24 PM |
| 1 | 22 year marriage coming to a hostile endNo one ever expects someone they love to change that dramatically. A lot of people hide things about themselves they don't expect their partners to understand or like, then blame their partners when they can't keep those factors or characteristics under wraps any more. That can range from emotional/mental responses to hormonal changes during normal aging to a drug or alcohol problem, change in interests, depression, an affair, anything that wasn't present during the early part of a relationship.… | /r/MensRights | 02/01/14 08:28 PM |
| 3 | 22 year marriage coming to a hostile endThreats of malicious prosecution and financial manipulation are to be taken very, very seriously. In addition to talking to a lawyer about the legal end of this, you need to talk to someone about your wife's behavior being psychologically abusive. Any evidence you have of her threats will help to demonstrate that, and it's important, because if she follows through with those threats she can make your life hell. Document everything - everything you can that has been sent to you via text or email … | /r/MensRights | 02/01/14 07:30 PM |
| 2 | Another stunning hard hitting AVFM expose sure to win MRAs friends and not have us labeled as transphobic: Societal Misandry (read feminism and the gynocracy) is often responsible for male to female transsexuals.Projection is a transparent response. You need better mud than that. | /r/MensRights | 02/01/14 04:55 PM |
| 0 | Nice comeback from my FB feed on circumcisionhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98f3IavuEgQ | /r/MensRights | 01/01/14 02:37 PM |
| 1 | Another stunning hard hitting AVFM expose sure to win MRAs friends and not have us labeled as transphobic: Societal Misandry (read feminism and the gynocracy) is often responsible for male to female transsexuals.From the story you quoted as evidence that Cooper did NOT have difficulty being a woman: Ria, as reported at some length in the Mirror and the Mail is now apparently backing off from that misleading title, complaining about the difficulties of functioning as a woman and the side effects of hormones. Don't try to be misleading by using selective quoting form something other people have access to. http://www.hawaii.edu/hivandaids/Regret_after_Sex_Reassignment_Surgery_in_a_Male-to-Female_Transsexua… | /r/MensRights | 01/01/14 02:08 PM |
| 1 | a voice for men press conferenceLet's hope this is the year we see the precedent set that says being subject to serious penalty entitles the accused to a jury trial. | /r/MensRights | 01/01/14 06:10 AM |
| 1 | Feminists angry that welfare no longer focuses 100% on women's needs: "Americans have viewed men as capable of caring for themselves ... women were always viewed as people to be cared for and protected."My point is simply this: you're strawmanning Krugman's argument. I don't care about your experience with welfare programs. No, I've simply pointed out the flaw in it. You're still talking about taking money that is actually doing something and placing it where it will provide the least support. Your blanket and bucket analogies are assuming that money does the same good for the economy no matter where it is, which is not true at all. That's funny, considering the argument you presented does the … | /r/MensRights | 01/01/14 06:09 AM |
| 12 | The best explanation of the difference between feminism and the MRM I've ever read3111.03 Presumption of paternity. says that a man is presumed the father of any child born during his marriage, or within 300 days after the termination of his marriage. If a presumed father can't afford an attorney or enforce his right to demand proof of paternity in the form of a paternity test, that can lead to him being assessed a child support obligation, which will be enforced by the state if the mother requests or if she obtains welfare assistance of any kind. Judges in Ohio don't necessa… | /r/MensRights | 01/01/14 12:06 AM |
| 24 | The best explanation of the difference between feminism and the MRM I've ever readSo many people visit the sub and argue from the position of assuming that antifeminism is a knee-jerk blaming response to men's issues or to social change, without ever reading beyond a few statements on the subject. I think most people don't understand antifeminism until, like you described, they've gone through or witnessed a series of experiences that shows them the discrimination men face, and done some serious research that traces the causes of that discrimination back to find those causes … | /r/MensRights | 31/12/13 11:43 PM |
| 1 | Another stunning hard hitting AVFM expose sure to win MRAs friends and not have us labeled as transphobic: Societal Misandry (read feminism and the gynocracy) is often responsible for male to female transsexuals.The only support you have for your bullshit is a man-hate blog that is also focused on hating trans women. I'll repeat what I pointed out in another comment: My original statement was not just about parents, but overall feminist-influenced society. The point about people changing their minds supports that - that is the reason for posting the article about Cooper. The first link which you still haven't addressed supports the point about parental influence. Since you need more links to acknowledge… | /r/MensRights | 31/12/13 05:45 PM |
| 2 | Another stunning hard hitting AVFM expose sure to win MRAs friends and not have us labeled as transphobic: Societal Misandry (read feminism and the gynocracy) is often responsible for male to female transsexuals.You're still wrongfully treating the statement that atypical cis kids have the right to be themselves as an attack on trans people, as if letting kids who are not trans be themselves has any impact at all on whether trans kids can also be themselves. The source about Dr. Russell Reid was about trans adults, not potentially-trans or gender-nonconforming children. Did you even read that? Did you read the part where only two of his patients - maybe - weren't actually trans? "only adults change thei… | /r/MensRights | 31/12/13 07:10 AM |
| 5 | Excited about shared parenting and gender neutral domestic violence laws? Think again. This must be defeated first.There is a lot of financial incentive in the U.S. for those involved in the domestic violence victim's advocacy industry - and it is an industry - to do anything they can to support the current system's lack of reliance on evidence and to continue to promote a believe in a disproportionate prevalence of male on female violence. Violence Against Women Formula Grants Funds from this grant group are dedicated toward training first responders and court personnel based on the male perpetrator, female… | /r/MensRights | 31/12/13 04:45 AM |
| 5 | I feel like I'm tattle-telling, but I can't get over how misandristic this is. Carry on.TIL even the Wall Street Journal publishes idiot fluff pieces. | /r/MensRights | 31/12/13 04:10 AM |
| 5 | What can I expect from Domestic Violence Court?The single most important thing you can do is is have legal representation. The second is have documentation, and it's only second because a lawyer is going to better know how to use it than you will. One piece that is going to be vital: The police recording of the call and the police report from the night she lied about your residence. That's a proved incident of her lying to try to influence police response to you. Also vital are the records of the night she abandoned the child to you and thre… | /r/MensRights | 31/12/13 04:05 AM |
| 3 | Some people here have trouble explaining why circumcision is bad. We can change this.Mostly women chose to circumcise to make their children's penises sexually attractive. You can counter this by talking about the dangers of penises being lost, stds being caught, and all sorts of horrible disfiguring things happening to the penis. Isn't it sad that you can't effectively counter a woman's belief that she should have her baby circumcised for cosmetic reasons by pointing out doing so is a violation of his bodily autonomy? That should end any discussion that starts with "but it'll b… | /r/MensRights | 31/12/13 03:44 AM |
| 1 | Another stunning hard hitting AVFM expose sure to win MRAs friends and not have us labeled as transphobic: Societal Misandry (read feminism and the gynocracy) is often responsible for male to female transsexuals.You're still attacking sources instead of information, and you're still not presenting reasons why it's any more acceptable for parents of gender non-conforming kids to coerce them into assuming themselves trans. You also skipped the first source. You and viviphilia have both zoomed in here with the intent of arguing against a person trying to deny trans kids the right to be themselves, without ever considering the fact that you're wrongfully treating the statement that atypical cis kids have th… | /r/MensRights | 31/12/13 03:04 AM |
| 1 | Another stunning hard hitting AVFM expose sure to win MRAs friends and not have us labeled as transphobic: Societal Misandry (read feminism and the gynocracy) is often responsible for male to female transsexuals.I have a long comment history of in-depth analytical analysis of this topic. You in contrast, are a liar using lies and the words of other liars to spread harmful misinformation about trans people. Your inability to address the incidents presented to you and the other link you glossed over says far more than your claim. You're still dodging. And you're still using ad homs to do it. Then you should be able to find some legitimate media coverage of whatever it is This shows that you don't even kno… | /r/MensRights | 31/12/13 02:45 AM |
| 3 | College told me men can't be raped and tried to discredit meA note about true feminism and male rape victims. Of course it's rape when a man is raped. It's ridiculous and bigoted for anyone to tell you your experience is less or false because you're a man. It's also right in line with feminist ideology, which treats male suffering as marginal on the basis of two concepts invented for that purpose. The concept "privilege" relies on treating a factor's impact and meaning to the individual differently depending on the sex of the individual, so that when a f… | /r/MensRights | 30/12/13 05:42 PM |
| 3 | Men's Rights and Abortion Rhetoric: You Sound Just Like A Feminist!A big part of the problem with the abortion debate is that all of the mainstream facets of it (there are more than just two "sides") seem to be 1) ruled by extreme viewpoints, and 2) unable to discuss the issue without turning it into an either-or issue. On the either-or front is the religion-based pro-legislation anti-abortion movement vs the feminism-based (or leftist) anti-legislation pro-abortion movement. These are the two movements everyone in the discussion debates against, whether the pe… | /r/MensRights | 30/12/13 05:29 PM |
| 2 | Another stunning hard hitting AVFM expose sure to win MRAs friends and not have us labeled as transphobic: Societal Misandry (read feminism and the gynocracy) is often responsible for male to female transsexuals.Nobody is denying that trans kids go through this. However, it does not justify labeling all gender nonconforming kids 'trans' and pushing a political outlook on them. Denying the suffering of another group because are focused on your own suffering is just as abusive as an individual denying your suffering because of their focus on their own. This is something I won't back down on, regardless of political correctness. Your suffering does not give you the right to marginalize other people. You ha… | /r/MensRights | 30/12/13 04:27 PM |
| 1 | Another stunning hard hitting AVFM expose sure to win MRAs friends and not have us labeled as transphobic: Societal Misandry (read feminism and the gynocracy) is often responsible for male to female transsexuals.Well how about that. Your hatred of trans people is so entrenched that you're willing to use a misandrist hate blog to try and support your twisted position. Attack the story, not the source. Problem is, you can't - because the story is an actual occurrence. The story is about a kid whose choice was exploited by blasting it all over the media, with people forgetting the person in their rush to use the choice as evidence. Now that the choice has led to regret, where's that media? Silent. Of cours… | /r/MensRights | 30/12/13 04:11 PM |
| 1 | Feminists angry that welfare no longer focuses 100% on women's needs: "Americans have viewed men as capable of caring for themselves ... women were always viewed as people to be cared for and protected."Stop trying to reduce the case worker's responsibility here - this was not an error. This was an abusive act. | /r/MensRights | 30/12/13 03:55 PM |
| -4 | Another stunning hard hitting AVFM expose sure to win MRAs friends and not have us labeled as transphobic: Societal Misandry (read feminism and the gynocracy) is often responsible for male to female transsexuals.Nobody is even doing that. It's well established developmental psychology that kids already know their gender by age 5. http://www.rainbowhealthontario.ca/admin/contentEngine/contentDocuments/Gender_Independent_Children_final.pdf Some parents may be anxious about their child’s future identity and may discourage a child from exploring a cross-gender identity, or conversely, may rush decisions regarding gender transition. Parents should be encouraged to follow a child’s lead and avoid imposing the… | /r/MensRights | 30/12/13 03:15 AM |
| 0 | Feminists angry that welfare no longer focuses 100% on women's needs: "Americans have viewed men as capable of caring for themselves ... women were always viewed as people to be cared for and protected."Woa there, mister mind reader. This is funny because your accusation of faux-pas includes a faux pas you don't realize you made. >_< So is making your kids brush their teeth when they don't feel like it; it's still benevolent. False comparison. Kids aren't mature enough to make their own decisions. Adults are expected to make our own judgement calls. Further, parents are directly responsible for the personal welfare of their children. Government is beholden to the citizen, as an employee is to a… | /r/MensRights | 30/12/13 01:29 AM |
| 5 | Looking for some information..http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/judicial/280897-vawa-must-be-reformed-for-domestic-violence-rates-to-come-down The stats referred to in that article are at this link: http://www.springerpub.com/content/journals/FindingsAt-a-Glance.pdf This chart displays the proportion of male-initiated partner violence to female-initiated partner violence: http://www.saveservices.org/wp-content/uploads/IPV-Truthwgray.png | /r/MensRights | 29/12/13 07:31 AM |
| 1 | My story on Male Body DysmorphiaAbsolutely - a professor or other educator hearing that should have stopped it and countered it immediately. | /r/MensRights | 29/12/13 06:36 AM |
| 7 | I have an intersectional question for you guys.Most discussion/activism in the MRM deals with issues in which men are discriminated against or otherwise dehumanized on the basis of being men. Being gay or trans doesn't change that. In fact, when I first started researching father's rights groups online in 1999, the majority of those groups were focused on combating the tendency in the courts to make homosexuality a reason to prevent a father from continuing to be a caregiver to his children in every way (except financially) following a divor… | /r/MensRights | 29/12/13 06:32 AM |
| 3 | My story on Male Body DysmorphiaIt's absolutely disgusting that a physician would be so dismissive of such a serious issue because of the gender experiencing it. A person with such a sexist attitude shouldn't be in profession where the practitioner's compassion and capacity for empathy affect her ability to successfully do her job. | /r/MensRights | 29/12/13 05:04 AM |
| 1 | Feminists angry that welfare no longer focuses 100% on women's needs: "Americans have viewed men as capable of caring for themselves ... women were always viewed as people to be cared for and protected."Next time try responding to the whole comment instead of taking one line out of context. Ignoring the rest of the comment has a negative impact on the relevance of your reply. You're replying to a statement about active money with a statement that treats the money as passive in order to make the described situation fit your point. Since the situation is not as you've attempted to portray it, your statement has no basis. The lucrative careers disappeared because union leadership doesn't know any … | /r/MensRights | 29/12/13 04:50 AM |
| 2 | I'm 17 years old. With my future ahead of me, what can I do to get involved in the mens rights movement?They don't want equal rights, either. For instance, they don't want men to have the same legal rights as women in family or criminal court. Feminists have lobbied against equally shared parenting as a default in uncontested divorce cases. They've taken an active hand in legally defining rape to exclude male victims of female perpetrators, and shaping abuse victim's advocacy to marginalize male victims of female perpetrators. If they wanted equal rights, they wouldn't feel the need to step on men… | /r/MensRights | 28/12/13 10:42 PM |
| 2 | I'm 17 years old. With my future ahead of me, what can I do to get involved in the mens rights movement?This seems like a very negative and skewed way of looking at relationships and marriage. It's a way that develops when one becomes aware of how easily things like this occur. Do things like that mean starting a relationship is a risky proposition? Absolutely. Does it mean there's no way to reduce that risk? Absolutely not - and wisdom that can come with age is one of the factors that can reduce that risk. It's not an unrealistically negative outlook. It's a strategic one. That doesn't mean you h… | /r/MensRights | 28/12/13 10:38 PM |
| 12 | MRA issues are getting attention in /r/AdviceAnimals where women are being held to the same social standards as men.There are men's issues getting attention in the discussion underneath, but it's basically push-push opinionated arguing. | /r/MensRights | 28/12/13 10:32 PM |
| 1 | Feminists angry that welfare no longer focuses 100% on women's needs: "Americans have viewed men as capable of caring for themselves ... women were always viewed as people to be cared for and protected."Bullshit - the description of the incident is clear enough to know the case worker's motivation wasn't about benefiting anyone. She threatened to "remedy" a refusal of an unwanted offer by committing an act of legal aggression. That's not a benevolent act; it's a controlling one. The very idea that people should be threatened into accepting unwanted and unneeded government assistance because you think they can't honestly assess their own situations is a controlling attitude. It doesn't excuse th… | /r/MensRights | 28/12/13 09:44 PM |
| 0 | Another stunning hard hitting AVFM expose sure to win MRAs friends and not have us labeled as transphobic: Societal Misandry (read feminism and the gynocracy) is often responsible for male to female transsexuals.When I was a little kid, one of my neighbors asked my best friend's mom if she thought he might be gay. She said, "He's five. Let him be five before you impose such a serious question on him, please." I think that's the same approach parents should take to any long-term, big decision regarding their children - unless your child is getting injured or sick or threatened with death because of a circumstance, don't impose big changes on him or her. Don't start forcing kids to make up their minds abo… | /r/MensRights | 28/12/13 08:54 PM |
| 3 | The Guardian: There's an alarming number of deaths in US jails. From the DOJ Report "Males accounted for nearly 9 in 10 (87%) deaths in local jails in 2011"That authorities can get away with such negligence and abuse is an atrocity. That it takes a foreign news source to bring this information to the public is a sad testament to how shitty American journalism has become. We should have heard of this loudly, clearly, and with enough publicity to make it embarrassing to the officials involved and the politicians involved in employing them. | /r/MensRights | 28/12/13 06:34 PM |
| 2 | Virginia man serves four years in prison for a false rape conviction, is found to be innocent and released, still remains on sex offender list and is on probationIt's a terrible idea, but stating makes is a good point - rape as punishment is what a man falsely or rightly accused of a jailable sex offense experiences. He will be subject to all kinds of brutality, including rape, once he is imprisoned. What elicits outrage when proposed as the penalty for a woman making a false accusation is accepted by society without question when imposed on an accused man. Though it's terrible to think of imposing further injustice in response to injustice, statements l… | /r/MensRights | 28/12/13 04:22 PM |
| 3 | A Voice for Men Winter FundraiserAs Typhon pointed out Thursday on Honey badger radio, this year AVFM is hosting a men's issues conference in June, something which will definitely require funding, so not only is funding the site a good cause for the continuation of its operation, but also to help make that conference possible. And I hope to see many of you there. :) *Edit - typed the wrong month | /r/MensRights | 28/12/13 03:52 PM |
| 2 | I had a double men's rights fiasco last night (circumcision debate that leads to me getting punched in the face by a girl)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98f3IavuEgQ | /r/MensRights | 28/12/13 03:41 AM |
| 1 | Seeking a liberal news source that isn't mobbed by whining about privilege.A lot of things just need scaled back. I think there was a time when there was a balance in the U.S. between government involvement in people's lives, (including their business, their education, everything) and individual rights, community efforts, and common sense. Now, we've let the pendulum swing to far into "everything is the government's responsibility." As can be seen in the apparently irreparable damage the economy has suffered, assuming that the benefit of some government involvement jus… | /r/MensRights | 28/12/13 03:13 AM |
| 2 | I've been debating (fighting?) with my female friend over the existence of sexism against men. We used to work at the same place until the owner fired all the guys.You're right - it is applicable to a lot of areas of ideology. It's been used throughout human history by various groups as a method of excusing barbaric treatment of other groups. | /r/MensRights | 28/12/13 02:46 AM |
| 1 | What the hell is up with this add, supposedly there's a double standard on underwear now????Your point really doesn't stand, because as I've stated, you have to narrow the scope of discussion to ignore relevant factors in order to feel justified making it. It suits your chosen mindset, but doesn't support a rational conclusion. "Don't confuse me with the facts; I've already made up my mind" isn't an argument. It's an attitude. That it's being taken in this sub by a feminist is not a surprise. | /r/MensRights | 28/12/13 02:43 AM |
| 1 | Feminists angry that welfare no longer focuses 100% on women's needs: "Americans have viewed men as capable of caring for themselves ... women were always viewed as people to be cared for and protected."Who's in charge is exactly how it was. I said no to the offer of food stamps, because my family was taking care of my nutritional needs. I was told I could lie on the form and still get food stamps. I replied that I refused to lie on a government form, especially for benefits I didn't need. I was then threatened with a visit from child protective services and potential loss of custody of my unborn baby, and the case worker didn't relent, but continued to press me to accept food stamps until I th… | /r/MensRights | 28/12/13 02:41 AM |
| 2 | What the hell is up with this add, supposedly there's a double standard on underwear now????It's not dishonest. It's an attempt to make the discussion actually relevant because this thread is about whether the ad is biased against men. No, it's an attempt to limit the discussion to a scope within which you think you can deny the double standard. But for the record, I'm a feminist, and if the genders were reversed in the ad, I wouldn't be bothered one bit. The NAFALT argument doesn't fly. Feminists have been protesting standards of female appearance similar to this for decades. Your per… | /r/MensRights | 27/12/13 05:31 PM |
| 0 | Male body shaming in advert was just on alibi (UK TV channel)Flouncing because you can't prove your argument - priceless. | /r/MensRights | 27/12/13 05:25 PM |
| 35 | I've been debating (fighting?) with my female friend over the existence of sexism against men. We used to work at the same place until the owner fired all the guys.Examples of discrimination won't convince a feminist ideologue because feminism has a built-in excuse for discrimination against men. They use the term "privilege." The concept "privilege" relies on treating a factor's impact and meaning to the individual differently depending on the sex of the individual, so that when a factor considered beneficial is experienced by a woman, it can be treated as an entitlement, but when a man experiences it, it can be treated as an undeserved "privilege." When … | /r/MensRights | 27/12/13 05:24 PM |
| 0 | Male body shaming in advert was just on alibi (UK TV channel)You thought you would try and look clever by saying that you're not for censoring anything based on offense. But now you seem to just call it "the exercise of wisdom in advertising". I don't think you have a very good grasp on the concept of censorship. Let me explain: If Entity A (an advertiser) wants to publicize an example of speech (an ad) and entity B (a governing authority) says "No, you are forbidden to do that" and shuts down the speech, that's censorship. If Entity A considers an exampl… | /r/MensRights | 27/12/13 05:04 PM |
| 0 | Feminists angry that welfare no longer focuses 100% on women's needs: "Americans have viewed men as capable of caring for themselves ... women were always viewed as people to be cared for and protected."That's just it - money that isn't doing anything, money that isn't invested, is not the money being confiscated. It's earned income that is being confiscated - money that is invested, that is growing, that is contributing to the expansion of the economy. And it's being removed from that productive process, and placed into the self-perpetuating cycle of bottom-rung spending where those of us who don't invest because we can't circulate it around businesses where other people like ourselves are pai… | /r/MensRights | 27/12/13 04:53 PM |
| 1 | What the hell is up with this add, supposedly there's a double standard on underwear now????Nope. The woman in the ad didn't tell men what to do; she just said "If I can't get away with this underwear, why do men think they can?" That's telling men what to do - it implies that men should be required to meet a standard simply because she feels compelled to meet it. It doesn't actually show that she is. It's essentially a statement that a man's behavior has to comply with a woman's feelings. Your second point is irrelevant because we are talking about whether this particular ad is biased… | /r/MensRights | 27/12/13 04:50 PM |
| 0 | Feminists angry that welfare no longer focuses 100% on women's needs: "Americans have viewed men as capable of caring for themselves ... women were always viewed as people to be cared for and protected."Your comment relies on some false suppositions: First, that the people I was talking about were homeless. They weren't. Second, that the only thing you can get at the grocery is hot dogs. They're not. Third, that hot dogs have to be cooked. They're exactly the same thing as bologna, just in different casing. People cook them by tradition, not by necessity. Now, there were homeless people who visited my workplace when I worked at the convenience store. They didn't spend food stamps. Eligibility f… | /r/MensRights | 27/12/13 04:46 PM |
| 1 | What the hell is up with this add, supposedly there's a double standard on underwear now????This looks pretty ratty. | /r/MensRights | 27/12/13 04:30 PM |
| 1 | Feminists angry that welfare no longer focuses 100% on women's needs: "Americans have viewed men as capable of caring for themselves ... women were always viewed as people to be cared for and protected."That traces back to the excuses politicians made for slavery, as with John C. Calhoun's degrading statement on the life of a slave during a speech to congress on February 06, 1837: I may say with truth, that in few countries so much is left to the share of the laborer, and so little exacted from him, or where there is more kind attention paid to him in sickness or infirmities of age. Compare his condition with the tenants of the poor houses in the more civilized portions of Europe–look at the si… | /r/MensRights | 27/12/13 04:26 PM |
| 2 | What the hell is up with this add, supposedly there's a double standard on underwear now????You're missing the point - it's not that the ad is bad. It's that it's exactly the same thing feminists complain about. Would I censor it? Absolutely not. But does the acceptance of it invalidate feminist claims that women are treated this way in advertising? Yes, absolutely. That's the bottom line here, no pun intended. The ad does everything I've pointed out. Whether it's a behavior society should accept or not, it's no different than when it's done to women. The only difference is in the soci… | /r/MensRights | 27/12/13 04:16 PM |
| 2 | Feminists angry that welfare no longer focuses 100% on women's needs: "Americans have viewed men as capable of caring for themselves ... women were always viewed as people to be cared for and protected."Are you actually arguing that it's acceptable for social workers to threaten to take people's children away for not accepting services we've said we don't need because in your opinion, it's a pride issue? That's disgusting. | /r/MensRights | 27/12/13 02:50 PM |
| 1 | Feminists angry that welfare no longer focuses 100% on women's needs: "Americans have viewed men as capable of caring for themselves ... women were always viewed as people to be cared for and protected."How do you figure? I mean if it goes up to cheap labour and cheap labourers spend their money on things designed, produced, sold, etc by people getting paid more than them (which they do) then it supports both. No, we don't. We buy things made in China and sold at places like Walmart, KMart, and dollar stores, because that's what we can afford. That isn't really an argument against welfare so much as it is an argument for tax reforms. If you think that was intended as an argument against the pro… | /r/MensRights | 27/12/13 02:48 PM |
| 1 | Male body shaming in advert was just on alibi (UK TV channel)I remember that outcry, and I remember thinking (maybe commenting, but I can't find it) that it would be counterproductive in a dating environment to stop someone from ignoring you because something about you puts them off, whether you think their feelings about it are legitimate, or not. That doesn't seem to stop feminists, but to me it's a formula for a dysfunctional relationship. And by their definition, it's creepy. And yeah, I've seen women act like elevator shoes and hair pieces are dishon… | /r/MensRights | 27/12/13 04:53 AM |
| 3 | Feminists angry that welfare no longer focuses 100% on women's needs: "Americans have viewed men as capable of caring for themselves ... women were always viewed as people to be cared for and protected."They're a good use if the woman needs them, and if the offer is just an offer. Let me clarify one thing for you. I was not offered food stamps. They were shoved in my face, and I was threatened with consequences for not taking them. I had to actually threaten legal action to make that stop. That is not a good use of tax dollars. | /r/MensRights | 27/12/13 12:34 AM |
| 3 | Feminists angry that welfare no longer focuses 100% on women's needs: "Americans have viewed men as capable of caring for themselves ... women were always viewed as people to be cared for and protected."I would expect most of them to burn out. I cannot imagine doing that job for years and maintaining a positive outlook. | /r/MensRights | 27/12/13 12:32 AM |
| 3 | Feminists angry that welfare no longer focuses 100% on women's needs: "Americans have viewed men as capable of caring for themselves ... women were always viewed as people to be cared for and protected."That's one side of it - the other side is what I suspect (based on their change of attitude toward me over perceived minority status) they're taught about minorities, which seems to be that minorities need welfare due to a lack of capability... an idea I find horrifying, but I can't figure another explanation for why being part native suddenly made me more welcome in the welfare office. | /r/MensRights | 27/12/13 12:31 AM |
| 2 | Feminists angry that welfare no longer focuses 100% on women's needs: "Americans have viewed men as capable of caring for themselves ... women were always viewed as people to be cared for and protected."I can't speak for SNAP specifically being an Australian but that isn't really the argument. See how it is meant to work is that the money passes through a lot of people on the way back up which helps the economy by improving the spending power of a lot of people not by increasing the sum total of national wealth. That's funny, because that's basically a "trickle up" economy, aka pyramid scam. The problem with it is that the money spent doesn't support well-paying professions. It supports cheap l… | /r/MensRights | 27/12/13 12:29 AM |
| -1 | Feminists angry that welfare no longer focuses 100% on women's needs: "Americans have viewed men as capable of caring for themselves ... women were always viewed as people to be cared for and protected."The problem is that Krugman's argument is still based on the idea that drawing water from a bucket and putting it back into the bucket will fill the bucket. The poor do not drive the economy by spending welfare dollars. If they did, the American economy would be booming right now. Instead, we've replaced lucrative careers with minimum wage jobs, in part because purchasing that comes out of the welfare system doesn't support industries that pay well. | /r/MensRights | 27/12/13 12:25 AM |
| 1 | What the hell is up with this add, supposedly there's a double standard on underwear now????A standard that the woman thinks both men and women should be held to equally. Two things: First, that implies that women should be permitted to set standards of appearance that men have to meet. Second, You missed the part of the context of the statement to which you're replying with that sentence: The ad itself is a reflection of social attitudes. Where's the ad shaming women for not wearing appealing underwear? If there was one, the outcry from feminists would shake half the sky. Will they de… | /r/MensRights | 27/12/13 12:18 AM |
| 1 | Male body shaming in advert was just on alibi (UK TV channel)I think a lot of the problem is that some men and women are too concerned about how other people see them together, instead of focusing on their enjoyment of the things they like about each other. There are a lot of men and women who don't fall into that trap. Dating is a lot more fun for those who don't. | /r/MensRights | 27/12/13 12:14 AM |
| 0 | Male body shaming in advert was just on alibi (UK TV channel)You're looking for an argument by strawmanning my position; interpreting "I'm against stopping people on the basis of moderate offense" to mean "I'm against the exercise of wisdom in advertising," and "here's how you've exercised the ridiculous use of hyperbole" as "everything mentioned is the same," a form of projection considering how you've used comparisons in this discussion. That censorship occurs in broadcasting does not justify censoring everything that you, personally, dislike. Attemptin… | /r/MensRights | 27/12/13 12:06 AM |
| 1 | Male body shaming in advert was just on alibi (UK TV channel)I didn't avoid the question. If you look at my above comment, you'll see that I said no, I don't think censorship is the right approach. I merely added to it my supposition as to why those subjects aren't used. However, I will point out that resorting to hyperbole doesn't make your point. That you think a lot of something (in this case offensiveness) is bad doesn't make a lesser example of it equal to the extreme example. If it did, we'd have to outlaw chocolate, butter, and all alcohol, because… | /r/MensRights | 26/12/13 08:15 PM |
| 4 | [Repost from Daddit] Serious question: Recently disabled dad needs to know how to react to wife's revelation she had been "thinking about divorce," since before dad became disabled.Glad you are checking into resources - and you're right... the truth is a vital tool for you right now. I wish you the best of luck to go with it, and please keep the sub posted if you can. | /r/MensRights | 26/12/13 08:11 PM |
| 2 | What the hell is up with this add, supposedly there's a double standard on underwear now????No, it specifically portrays worn-out underwear in a derogatory fashion, as not good enough. It's a negative portrayal of the failure to meet the implied standard. As I've pointed out in another thread, yes, it shows a double standard, but not one in style of dress. It's not the only commercial which portrays nice underwear on a man as sexually appealing. It's just the only one that shames men for not meeting that standard. The ad itself is a reflection of social attitudes. Where's the ad shamin… | /r/MensRights | 26/12/13 08:08 PM |
| 1 | Male body shaming in advert was just on alibi (UK TV channel)Ah, I see. So you only want to censor speech you disapprove, and you only want to discuss censoring that kind of speech, not all speech on a particular topic. I wouldn't censor the ad, but I'd bet that it would be ineffective. | /r/MensRights | 26/12/13 07:59 PM |
| 7 | Feminists angry that welfare no longer focuses 100% on women's needs: "Americans have viewed men as capable of caring for themselves ... women were always viewed as people to be cared for and protected."Agreed. I kind of wonder... do they go into the job because that's how they are, or does the job affect their attitude toward people? | /r/MensRights | 26/12/13 07:45 PM |
| 3 | Feminists angry that welfare no longer focuses 100% on women's needs: "Americans have viewed men as capable of caring for themselves ... women were always viewed as people to be cared for and protected."Yes, that's a really good way to put it. It definitely felt personal. | /r/MensRights | 26/12/13 07:45 PM |
| 5 | [Repost from Daddit] Serious question: Recently disabled dad needs to know how to react to wife's revelation she had been "thinking about divorce," since before dad became disabled.You are welcome. I am sorry I couldn't offer a happier outlook... but hopefully what I can offer is helpful to you. My suggestion is to start with a search that uses your county name (and texas, in case it's the same name as a county in another state) and "disability support groups," and another with county/state and "disability services." I'd do the same with a search for "stroke survivor support" and "stroke survivor services," because each search may lead to resources the others won't include… | /r/MensRights | 26/12/13 07:44 PM |
| 4 | Feminists angry that welfare no longer focuses 100% on women's needs: "Americans have viewed men as capable of caring for themselves ... women were always viewed as people to be cared for and protected."I experienced the food stamp push, too. I was temporarily disabled from a car accident when I got pregnant with my son. I applied for medicaid, but didn't need any other assistance because my family was helping me get back on my feet (and back to work.) I had to fight to not be assigned food stamps, and even faced the threat of an investigation by child protective services for not accepting assistance. In a way, they are working on commission. One of the determining factors in government budgeti… | /r/MensRights | 26/12/13 07:32 PM |
| 4 | Feminists angry that welfare no longer focuses 100% on women's needs: "Americans have viewed men as capable of caring for themselves ... women were always viewed as people to be cared for and protected."That's a good point... and in addition to teachers, there's also punditry by commentators (pro and con) and even in religious settings (pro and con.) The American education system, though, is rife with political ideologues. It has been for decades. | /r/MensRights | 26/12/13 07:27 PM |
| 1 | Male body shaming in advert was just on alibi (UK TV channel)That does not change the logical conclusion - you're still operating on the basis of treating the person or characteristic you consider maligned as having the entitlement I've described. You're just basing that entitlement on your discomfort with the media. No, we shouldn't censor based on the most easily offended. That goes for all of those subjects - I took your use of them as "we shouldn't alter our behavior at all based on opinions," not just the limit of censorship. The "pro" side of the ab… | /r/MensRights | 26/12/13 07:24 PM |
| 10 | [Repost from Daddit] Serious question: Recently disabled dad needs to know how to react to wife's revelation she had been "thinking about divorce," since before dad became disabled.I'm really sorry to say, this going to be a rough situation for you no matter what. If your wife has brought up the notion, it's something she's been considering. That she says she was considering it before the stroke doesn't mean that's the truth. She may have, or she may be saying that to get out of admitting that she's not dedicated enough to stay with you now that you're disabled. If that's the case, that's by far not a reflection of your worth. It's a reflection on her attitude and her capa… | /r/MensRights | 26/12/13 07:15 PM |
| 0 | Male body shaming in advert was just on alibi (UK TV channel)I never said that we were. It's the logical conclusion of the argument you made, unless you can offer any other reason why people don't have the right to make those decisions for themselves, and why portraying a real aspect of the human condition should be off-limits simply because it's an aspect we don't like. Cue abortion, holocaust, racism, miscarriage, child abuse, rape humour in advertising. That's a broad range - you've included things which are damaging and under human control, something … | /r/MensRights | 26/12/13 06:59 PM |
| 2 | Why do feminists hate us so much? What did we ever do to them?There's a significant portion of men's issues, the remedy for which directly contradicts existing or past activism/assertions by mainstream, established feminist organizations. Discussion on those issues has necessarily and rightfully included discussion on the feminist-led or feminist-achieved aspects of the causes for those issues. That includes family court issues like custody and child support, and criminal court issues. That discussion has led to criticism of the assertions and activism whi… | /r/MensRights | 26/12/13 06:55 PM |
| 1 | Male body shaming in advert was just on alibi (UK TV channel)No, what I've said is "your offense doesn't dictate the nature of the speech." In other words, your response is yours. How you respond is your business. However, there's no difference between imposing your response on others' speech or others' perception of the joke, and the factors within the joke that offend you. Regarding your statements on appearance and relative worth - attraction isn't always a measure of the worth of the person being judged. Often, it's a measure of the attitude of the pe… | /r/MensRights | 26/12/13 06:44 PM |
| 5 | You know when they say "that says more about you..." I heard a feminist say the old holiday tune "baby it's cold outside" is about rape. Bing Crosby, too?That myth was debunked during discussion on this last year. The song was written in 1944 by a married couple, and performed by them at a party to add an entertaining element to ending the party for the night. | /r/MensRights | 26/12/13 06:36 PM |
| 3 | I have been asked to testify in a custody hearing.I would add one thing to this: Say what you know, not what you think. Give only facts - state what you've seen, and honestly answer every question you're asked, even if the honest answer is "I don't know that." It's possible to get the wrong impression based on any aspect of your own life or past experiences, but demonstrable facts (I saw person A at location B at time o-clock on Day of month of year...) are valuable regardless. | /r/MensRights | 26/12/13 06:32 PM |
| 1 | Male body shaming in advert was just on alibi (UK TV channel)My take on this is very simply; disliking someone's humor isn't a justifiable reason to infer malice, which is what gender issues ideologues do when they protest these commercials. These aren't instructions on how social attitudes should be, but humor based on a mockery of existing social attitudes. Which means it's all well and good to not get the joke, or not find it amusing, but it's unreasonable to turn one's internal response into a statement about the entity making the joke. That's a femin… | /r/MensRights | 26/12/13 06:19 PM |
| 2 | Seeking a liberal news source that isn't mobbed by whining about privilege.Hard ideologies usually fail to take into account real life, and have no sense of moderation when it comes to the application of their beliefs and principles. Religious ideologues don't seem to understand the difference between advocating what they consider moral living, and imposing religion-based strictures on consenting adult interaction. This can be seen in the habit trying to draw parallels between harmful behaviors which involve victimization (like rape or child molestation) and disapprove… | /r/MensRights | 26/12/13 06:14 PM |
| 0 | Male body shaming in advert was just on alibi (UK TV channel)This makes my point as much as it makes yours. The ad is only offensive to those who decide women should be exempt from that kind of humor. I was pretty flat-chested until I got pregnant with my son. One of the funny stories told by friends highlights that fact. I went to a clothing-optional pagan gathering back when I used to be the priestess of a small wiccan coven. Photos were taken by friends during some of the events there. A friend who went with me was showing me her photos, when my mother… | /r/MensRights | 26/12/13 06:06 PM |
| 33 | Feminists angry that welfare no longer focuses 100% on women's needs: "Americans have viewed men as capable of caring for themselves ... women were always viewed as people to be cared for and protected."Democrats defend the new debit card program, which can only be used to purchase food, as feeding needy Americans at a time of high unemployment and great poverty. Republicans, for their part, argue that the programme is rife with fraud, that its recipients (who are mostly single mothers) are lazy and shiftless, and that we must make drastic cuts to reduce government spending. Their most Dickensian argument is that if you feed the poor, they won’t want to work. The two sides of the debate seem to… | /r/MensRights | 26/12/13 05:53 PM |
| 8 | Male body shaming in advert was just on alibi (UK TV channel)That's got a few things feminists would protest if the roles were reversed; treating the "new man" like an object being purchased, the assumption that a height difference where the female is taller is a bad thing (I've been taller than about half of the guys I've dated in the past) and that it should be a deciding factor in giving dating a chance, and the way she looked him up and down after he turned away (OMG, was she looking at his ASS? Is THAT all she has on her mind? What a creepy PERV she … | /r/MensRights | 26/12/13 04:28 PM |
| 3 | What the hell is up with this add, supposedly there's a double standard on underwear now????No, it's not. It's telling men that if they don't dress up to a standard, they're not good enough. It's exactly the same thing feminists protest about women's fashion, only in men's case, the message is actually coming from the opposite sex (women) not their own sex, while in women's case, we get that message from other women more than we do from men. | /r/MensRights | 26/12/13 03:47 PM |
| 2 | It's hard to see the positives sometimes, but this is a story about a man who's done right by his kidsThe significant thing about this is not that this father has made an effort to stay connected with his family. That's common. It's that his ex-wife has acknowledged her ex as a person even though she's no longer interested in him as a partner. That's less common. | /r/MensRights | 24/12/13 05:01 AM |
| 3 | Cameron's internet filter goes far beyond porn - and that was always the plan (O2 filters already block avoiceformalestudents.com as "hate" speech)Don't forget to get video confirmation of the state's enthusiastic consent. | /r/MensRights | 24/12/13 04:46 AM |
| 5 | ARM creates influx of concern trolls in my "crisis" post, justifying my reticence to express my worries.That's typical of AMR. The idea that telling male victims of abuse "you're probably a perpetrator" would be counterproductive in an environment where they're supposed to go for help escaping their abusers is offensive to them because it indicates that men are human, with human experiences, and human responses to them. The expected AMR response? How dare you suggest something so radical in a forum for the discussion of men's issues! Don't you know that BUT WOMEN!? Oh, the humanity... (but not men… | /r/MensRights | 23/12/13 01:39 PM |
| 28 | If a woman can use a taser against a guy for self-defense reasons, why cant we use the same against them for the same reasons?The most effective counter-attack you could make would be to scream loudly in a mockery of a female scream, jump away from her, flap your hands around in a mockery of an upset woman while yelling "BAD TOUCH! BAD TOUCH!" and then call her things like "masher," "pervert," and "creep," and start shouting about how she has molested you. Every time she attempts to speak, shake your finger at her and shout, "Back off, you creep!" and "NO!" If she's older than you, you can boost the effect by calling h… | /r/MensRights | 23/12/13 07:31 AM |
| 2 | A trans woman's question for MensRightsIt's deflection to attempt to deflect attention away from your own bias, and the invalidation of your claim on the basis of that bias, by pointing out a bias which is unrelated to your statement. I can summarize your entire statement in your OP as "Feminism, and I have subjective experiences, so feminist concept." You're begging the question; basing your conclusion (privilege) on a proposition (your filtered interpretation of personal experiences) the validity of which depends presuming your con… | /r/MensRights | 23/12/13 06:39 AM |
| 0 | A trans woman's question for MensRightsAbsolutely, you did. No, you didn't make it blatant. You simply presented your personal point of view as proof of a feminist concept that it didn't prove. You're not being castigated merely for having a biased opinion, but for presenting your biased opinion as both unbiased, and evidence of anything. Do not think that because you carefully word your approach, no other woman will see through it. | /r/MensRights | 23/12/13 06:35 AM |
| 2 | Seeking a liberal news source that isn't mobbed by whining about privilege.The fact that you can't find a liberal news source that isn't peppered with whining about privilege should indicate something to you. I have had the same problem with conservative news sources, with respect to thinly disguised (if at all) religious pontification. Then again, that ended up affecting my political stance, turning me away from the American right's political platform to something closer to Libertarianism. | /r/MensRights | 20/12/13 11:54 PM |
| 2 | A trans woman's question for MensRightsThe thing is, you came in here waving your experience as a measure of authority; "I have experienced this, therefore, male privilege!" There are many, many reasons why your experience is valuable. Your interpretation of it as a confirmation of your existing political beliefs is not one of them. Regarding your comments about accusations, particularly your end statement, as I inferred in another reply, deflection as an argument isn't going to fly with me. The universal existence of bias not only d… | /r/MensRights | 20/12/13 11:31 PM |
| -2 | A trans woman's question for MensRightsDeflection does not look good on you, sweetie. | /r/MensRights | 20/12/13 11:25 PM |
| 2 | Seeking a liberal news source that isn't mobbed by whining about privilege.Okay, that helps. It explains why you're not finding a news source you consider both liberal, and not whiny. The problem is that you're expecting the face that American liberals presented prior to discovering that disenfranchisement victim politics could get them votes. Today's American left has mixed the old class warfare ideas with race and gender warfare ideas to better capitalize on overall victim status. Interestingly, it's a major change from the old party attitude about race. Historically… | /r/MensRights | 20/12/13 12:39 PM |
| -1 | A trans woman's question for MensRightsKind of like the condescending assertion that being trans means she can define and describe for all men and all women the experience of being both. Being trans does not make one a god. All people only see part of the picture - and all people see that picture through the filter of their own self-interest. Adding the filter of feminist ideology does not improve that outlook; as you demonstrate with every new comment, it warps it. | /r/MensRights | 20/12/13 12:34 PM |
| 3 | A trans woman's question for MensRightsIt's quite interesting that's how you'd interpret a comment replying to a post which was made to tell all men and all women what they've really experience. Being trans does not make an individual infallible, nor does it make one's experience exempt from personal interpretation. To visit the sub claiming to have some sort of key to completely understanding and authoritatively describing both sexes simply because one has had one's own, personal, anecdotal experience is arrogant and self-serving. T… | /r/MensRights | 20/12/13 12:32 PM |
| 2 | Seeking a liberal news source that isn't mobbed by whining about privilege.Can you describe a bit what you mean by liberal? | /r/MensRights | 20/12/13 12:55 AM |
| 2 | Dad wants to raise unborn baby.Nope, he has no rights as the Father; Mother gives baby up for adoption.Well, that's a good point. Cheating is a possible factor. So is mooching (as in, she lived with and off of him, but there was no relationship.) However, those are simply factors which should have prompted requiring a paternity test to confirm or eliminate him as a parent, not the legal decision that he's excluded as a putative father, especially since, had she gone for child support from him instead of putting the child up for adoption, the state would have presumed him the father barring exclus… | /r/MensRights | 20/12/13 12:50 AM |
| 36 | A trans woman's question for MensRightsVisiting /r/mensrights to talk about men's issues despite being a feminist is admirable. Visiting /r/mensrights to use trans status to try to sell the sub on the concept of "male privilege" is not. Viewing your experience through the filter of feminist ideology has created quite an illusion for you. Despite living part of your life as a man who looks like a man, and part as a woman who looks like a woman, you've managed to see only part of the picture. As a woman who started out a little girl an… | /r/MensRights | 19/12/13 12:52 PM |
| 1 | Gender neutral "Be Smart" rape prevention campaign does not exclude male victims! Ireland doing it right.No, there's a description of the logical fallacies on which your claims are based. Logical fallacy isn't theory - it's a type of error described in critical thinking, a known and solid method for avoiding mistakes in logic which lead to false conclusions. I've demonstrated two areas where the logic on which tying the actual trauma related "victim blaming" and "self blame" claims to the topic under discussion (Enthusiastic consent) is an irrational choice, not a sound, logical choice. All you hav… | /r/MensRights | 19/12/13 12:29 PM |
| 6 | Dad wants to raise unborn baby.Nope, he has no rights as the Father; Mother gives baby up for adoption.From the bit of text supplied, it appears that he was not an ex, and in fact provided some support. This may even mean he was living with the mother. The judge determined that because he was not married to the mother that he was not considered the presumed father. They did not take into account that he worked two jobs and even rented an apartment for them. | /r/MensRights | 19/12/13 05:43 AM |
| 8 | MRA supports domestic violence?It sounds like the woman is an idiot, and engaging her isn't going to change her mind on anything. If you simply don't want to let her statement stand alone, you could ask her to back up her claims. However, be prepared to not hear from her again, or to articulately identify the difference between bullshit and actual substance. You're not going to get substantive evidence to back her claims, but she might post a load of bullshit in answer to your request. As for the effects of feminism, there's … | /r/MensRights | 19/12/13 05:29 AM |
| 1 | "Why did sillymod remove the Occidental College post?" Let me tell you why.I'm not asking for a suggestion - I'm asking for evidence. You seem to have a problem presenting that. You've made a whole series of claims in this thread, and failed to offer any actual substance to back them up. Each time your failing has been pointed out to you, you've moved the goalposts, then attempted to claim that sticking to the original topic is "moving the goalposts." Is that all you're able to do, or are you going to actually offer something substantive? | /r/MensRights | 19/12/13 05:20 AM |
| 12 | Tomorrow I go to jail for child support.What is the significant difference between indentured servitude, serfdom, and slavery? Semantics. And a semantics argument doesn't make the state imposing a debt on an individual (often based on another individual's choice, as the majority of divorce is initiated by women) under threat of jail for nonpayment anything less than a claim of ownership conferring a "right" to force labor upon the individual. Seeking out another word or phrase to make the concept more palatable for you isn't going to … | /r/MensRights | 19/12/13 05:11 AM |
| 2 | "Why did sillymod remove the Occidental College post?" Let me tell you why.You start out by telling me you're going to back up your claim, then you show me that your quote comes from a blog that cites manboobz as a source of information. No, that's not backing up your claim. It shows me that your quote doesn't come from a credible source. Attempting to marginalize victims of false accusation doesn't change the injustice of it; it merely shows your own bias. Regarding the form, no, it's on you to show that it is helpful. Again, it's your claim, you back it up. Show demo… | /r/MensRights | 19/12/13 04:55 AM |
| 9 | Trans* MRAsWhich, if you really think about it, makes this sub more supportive of women than feminists are. | /r/MensRights | 19/12/13 04:39 AM |
| 2 | "Why did sillymod remove the Occidental College post?" Let me tell you why.Again, you're saying they got an influx of false reports, but you haven't offered proof. Are you going to cough up the source for the above quote, or are you going to continue lobbing accusations with nothing solid behind them? And the accused. Or is being reminded about the sexual assault policy too much for someone to handle? Facing discipline when one has not committed a crime is an injustice to the individual whether it's a slap on the wrist or jail time. On the other hand, your effort to mi… | /r/MensRights | 19/12/13 04:31 AM |
| 1 | "Why did sillymod remove the Occidental College post?" Let me tell you why.A quote without a source isn't confirmation that the voting pattern is evidence of anything. It shows that some random writer made a series of statements, but not who the writer was. Further, your quote there relies on correlation and a stated claim without actual evidence - just an individual who says reports were received, and makes subjective suppositions regarding the origin of reports he also admits were not traced because they're anonymous, so speculation of their origin is just that. The … | /r/MensRights | 19/12/13 04:08 AM |
| 1 | Gender neutral "Be Smart" rape prevention campaign does not exclude male victims! Ireland doing it right.Ok, as I said its ideology. It doesn't matter what the facts are, our ideology trumps the facts. This shows that you didn't actually read the comment before replying to it. What you're doing here is attempting to distract from the fact that you have failed to substantiate your claim. You have not presented facts. You presented ideology with spin. I presented a counterargument which deconstructed what you've presented, even though it's your responsibility to offer actual proof for your assertion.… | /r/MensRights | 19/12/13 03:54 AM |
| 1 | I've tried to see the opinions of /r/feminism and /r/twoxchromosomes on this image and it has been removed from both. What are you guys opinions on this? Makes sense, right?Jaclyn Friedman is credited by feminists with introducing the notion of "enthusiastic consent" which holds that only a verbal yes (in response to request) constitutes consent. That's why it's referred to as replacing "no means no" with "yes means yes." I've seen the same thing advocated on feminist blogs, by reddit feminists, and even in some mainstream publications over the last couple of years. The concept is also discussed here, where it's traced back to Hugo Schwyzer, who also argued that ex… | /r/MensRights | 18/12/13 10:56 PM |
| 2 | I've tried to see the opinions of /r/feminism and /r/twoxchromosomes on this image and it has been removed from both. What are you guys opinions on this? Makes sense, right?i disagree, it seems like a general concept and there's room for non-verbal communication Not according to the way it's been articulated. It's a very specific concept. The advocated standard would require a guy to ask and receive verbal confirmation of consent at each new level in a sexual encounter. your last comment focused on specific words "no, stop, don't" "No, stop, don't" are also related to the general concept of refusal. not to mention your initial comment which said: The basic argument… | /r/MensRights | 18/12/13 09:56 PM |
| 1 | "Why did sillymod remove the Occidental College post?" Let me tell you why.Actually, the initial discussion between you and me in this thread was strictly about whether or not voting pattern was evidence of anything, beginning with your first two comments in this thread. That is where the goalposts began. It was you who first moved them by attempting to add your claim of PMs to the discussion. You also mislabeled the comments which occurred in discussion with you, calling the expectation that rape victims should report to the police "derision," which I've also pointed … | /r/MensRights | 18/12/13 09:46 PM |
| 1 | Gender neutral "Be Smart" rape prevention campaign does not exclude male victims! Ireland doing it right.So a source that describes the therapeutic process isn't good enough. I didn't reject your information because of ideology. I rejected your information because it doesn't constitute substantive evidence of the claim you're using it to back. Can you provide any proof at all that don't blame the victim doesn't come from a three stage therapeutic process thats known as victim, survivor, thriver? That's a reversal of who owes proof - you're the one making the assertion. It's not up to me to prove yo… | /r/MensRights | 18/12/13 09:38 PM |
| 0 | I've tried to see the opinions of /r/feminism and /r/twoxchromosomes on this image and it has been removed from both. What are you guys opinions on this? Makes sense, right?sometimes people don't communicate perfectly; it shouldn't require specific words or phrases to be uttered to convey or understand a message The enthusiastic consent standard constitutes an argument that it does require specific words or phrases. unless you're suggesting men are too stupid to read body language or read between the lines No, I'm not advocating the enthusiastic consent standard, which disregards nonverbal communication in favor of the argument that verbal communication must be pre… | /r/MensRights | 18/12/13 09:24 PM |
| 1 | "Why did sillymod remove the Occidental College post?" Let me tell you why.You can't prove your accusation that the downvotes came from AMR and SRS, or that this sub was manipulated into supporting false rape accusations. Therefore, your accusation is frivolous. You're still backward on this. You made an accusation. I've stated a possible alternative explanation for it. You have not proved that your accusation has merit. The burden of proof is still on your initial accusation, not on proving that the alternative possibility is possible. Your burden for proving your acc… | /r/MensRights | 18/12/13 06:23 PM |
| 3 | My GFs son is being bullied...This is also a good point - when my stepdaughters were young, I had to balance being a parent in my home with making sure they understood that you can't replace parents. One thing, though - it is important for a child to learn to recognize house rules. Even daycare has house rules that will differ from his parents' rules. Expecting a child to learn "no hitting" as a rule in someone's home is not unreasonable even if that person is not close to the family. | /r/MensRights | 18/12/13 06:04 PM |
| 1 | "Why did sillymod remove the Occidental College post?" Let me tell you why.Can you demonstrate with undeniable certainty that the downvotes I received were not from MRAs? If not, then you can't discount the theory that, whether you like it or not, a lot of MRAs support making false rape accusations when it suits them. You've got your process backward. You're making an accusation. It's your responsibility to prove that accusation. You haven't done that. Therefore, the accusation is frivolous. Can you demonstrate with undeniable certainty that downvotes you receive in th… | /r/MensRights | 18/12/13 05:58 PM |
| 2 | "Why did sillymod remove the Occidental College post?" Let me tell you why.Can you demonstrate with undeniable certainty that the downvotes you received came from MRAs? Can you demonstrate with undeniable certainty that downvotes you receive in this sub aren't handed out simply because everyone has you tagged as an AMR troll? Of course not - either way. Yet you're referencing your downvotes as evidence that indicates something, knowing that you're referencing comments in a sub you participated in vote/comment brigading. Again, your hands are dirty. Attempting to shift … | /r/MensRights | 18/12/13 05:34 PM |
| 1 | "Why did sillymod remove the Occidental College post?" Let me tell you why.Your accusation doesn't have any teeth, considering the comments weren't the top comments in the sub even when the second screenshot was taken. If you want to be able to level an accusation based on comment and voting patterns, it's counterproductive for you to brigade the sub prior to leveling and during your presentation of said accusation. By getting involved, you put yourself in the position of being accused of manipulating the sub. You got your hands dirty. You have no business complaining … | /r/MensRights | 18/12/13 05:19 PM |
| 3 | My GFs son is being bullied...This is a good point | /r/MensRights | 18/12/13 05:14 PM |
| -1 | "Why did sillymod remove the Occidental College post?" Let me tell you why.I found the link to the current incarnation of the post. It has 467 comments. A handful of them discuss filing accusations. The rest do not. The same is true of the image; the vast majority of those comments don't advocate filing anything. Calling that comment thread anything but a wandering discussion is a sham, but that is typical of SRS. *edit - it also doesn't prove that SRS were the ones reporting the thread, or that the thread was even worth reporting. | /r/MensRights | 18/12/13 05:10 PM |
| 0 | "Why did sillymod remove the Occidental College post?" Let me tell you why.Yep, and SRS has a habit of treating the vote pattern at individual segments of time (the split second it takes to get a screen shot) as if that has any overall meaning. I watched two comments repeatedly switch places for "top" in this sub over and over last night while commenting in this thread. Neither one of them was ever "top" for more than 5 minutes at a time. Claiming that upvotes or downvotes to a comment = solid evidence of a sub's attitude, especially when the majority of comments in th… | /r/MensRights | 18/12/13 05:06 PM |
| 3 | "Why did sillymod remove the Occidental College post?" Let me tell you why.There seems to be a lot of overlap between the two subs. | /r/MensRights | 18/12/13 05:02 PM |
| 3 | "Why did sillymod remove the Occidental College post?" Let me tell you why.Yep - and it's entirely dishonest for the subs cross-posting to MR to make any claims based on voting and comment patterns because of that. My main point in this discussion is that in coming here to stir shit, AMR and SRS effectively obscured everything, and pretty much anything they say about the sub based on this brouhaha is simply more shit. But you're right. If MR had behaved as AMR, SRS, and SRD have here, the sub would be gone. | /r/MensRights | 18/12/13 05:01 PM |
| 3 | "Why did sillymod remove the Occidental College post?" Let me tell you why.That's the point - SRS and AMR are claiming that MR flooded Occidental with false rape reports. Part of the basis of their claim is that comments discussing spamming the college were upvoted. The overall comment and upvote pattern in the sub doesn't back up their claim. In fact, it shows their claim to be somewhat of a display of hysteria. | /r/MensRights | 18/12/13 04:59 PM |
| 1 | "Why did sillymod remove the Occidental College post?" Let me tell you why.When SRS is dishonest about the content and behavior of MRAs, the dishonesty of SRS is SRS's fault, yes. | /r/MensRights | 18/12/13 04:57 PM |
| 19 | My GFs son is being bullied...First, don't ignore your girlfriend's agency in this. She's not standing up for her son, and she's not treating you as any level of co-parent if she isn't backing you up when you stand up for him. However long term your relationship is, that's not going to change some time down the line without being addressed. Either you're a co-parent, or you're not. It's very important that you find out whether she considers you a participant or an accessory when it comes to parenting, because if your interes… | /r/MensRights | 18/12/13 04:45 PM |
| 6 | "Why did sillymod remove the Occidental College post?" Let me tell you why.Comments SRS thought would make good fodder for criticism rose to the top of the thread in time for SRS to use a screenshot of them to claim that the sub was flooding the university with accusations, then after the screenshot was used, they dropped and were replaced in the top position by comments which didn't support SRS's claims. As I pointed out in another part of the thread, it's very hard for subs that small to sustain a lead like that when invading another sub. Eventually, the sub's own vo… | /r/MensRights | 18/12/13 09:07 AM |
| 4 | "Why did sillymod remove the Occidental College post?" Let me tell you why.Based on changes in the vote pattern, yeah, you were used. Like a kleenex. EDIT: No, please don't downvote him all you want. He obviously thinks it's me doing it. | /r/MensRights | 18/12/13 08:52 AM |
| 5 | "Why did sillymod remove the Occidental College post?" Let me tell you why.In a sub that's subject to vote manipulation from other subreddits, the position of a comment at any given moment is not necessarily a measure of the sub's attitude. The comment pattern would be a more accurate way. In this case, the comment pattern doesn't back up the accusations that have been made against the sub. The complaint, as posted in SRS, was that MRAs were spamming occidental with false reports. SRS had neither actual evidence of this, nor any way of obtaining actual evidence. The SR… | /r/MensRights | 18/12/13 08:49 AM |
| 6 | "Why did sillymod remove the Occidental College post?" Let me tell you why.No, the fact that the top two comments for a period of time were comments talking about filing accusations indicates that a small group of people upvoted those comments. It doesn't indicate anything about the behavior of this subreddit, especially considering the fact that those comments didn't remain top comments. There's another screen shot which shows that. And currently in the thread, the top comment is Shrodingerstherapist talking about due process, followed by a thread of discussion on tha… | /r/MensRights | 18/12/13 08:23 AM |
| 4 | "Why did sillymod remove the Occidental College post?" Let me tell you why.Just like in this discussion thread. | /r/MensRights | 18/12/13 07:27 AM |
| 3 | "Why did sillymod remove the Occidental College post?" Let me tell you why.It took a bit, but out of curiosity, I tracked down the original post. There aren't top comments calling for MRAs to make false accusations. There's one comment speculating on the potential results of that, a very small few claiming to have done so, and one describing the idea. There's a thread calling due process "raped," (rather appropriate, considering,) and a thread making fun of the Schrodinger's rapist concept (also appropriate, considering,) some comments about having a lawyer, and severa… | /r/MensRights | 18/12/13 07:22 AM |
| 4 | "Why did sillymod remove the Occidental College post?" Let me tell you why.I found the link to the current incarnation of the post. It has 467 comments. A handful of them discuss filing accusations. The rest do not. The same is true of the image; the vast majority of those comments don't advocate filing anything. Calling that comment thread anything but a wandering discussion is a sham, but that is typical of SRS. *edit - it also doesn't prove that SRS were the ones reporting the thread, or that the thread was even worth reporting. | /r/MensRights | 18/12/13 07:18 AM |
| -6 | "Why did sillymod remove the Occidental College post?" Let me tell you why.Yeah, that thread pretty much shows exactly what I was saying. A very small number of individuals even discussed filing accusations. The vast majority of comments aren't about doing so, and in fact there are comments criticizing those who talked about filing. A few people's effort doesn't constitute a flood. If there was one, there isn't evidence that it came from here, only that a few people added to the existing tide. | /r/MensRights | 18/12/13 07:10 AM |
| -1 | "Why did sillymod remove the Occidental College post?" Let me tell you why.Again, people keep saying that, but where is the evidence showing that those were the top comments under the thread? If it's an easily verifiable fact, put up a link to the evidence. Further, if all you've got to cite is a couple of comments, that's not exactly a flood of MRAs from a sub that's over 80,000 strong. Going on to your reply to my request for proof that the reports came from SRS: I asked for proof that the reports came from SRS, not a claim that SRS talked about reporting. That's not… | /r/MensRights | 18/12/13 05:11 AM |
| 5 | "Why did sillymod remove the Occidental College post?" Let me tell you why.I clearly stated upvote counts. The most upvoted comments are the most prominent and dictate the discourse of a thread. No, they merely show that the individual was able to get a lot of upvotes. And the numbers you cite are still tiny in comparison to the size of the sub. Further, you don't show whether they were the top comments under the post, or simply comments which got more upvotes than you think they deserved. You also don't offer any evidence that they were either the majority of comments… | /r/MensRights | 18/12/13 05:05 AM |
| 1 | "Why did sillymod remove the Occidental College post?" Let me tell you why.People keep saying that, but I have not seen evidence of it. What I have seen is one comment listing a few other comments, half of which don't say the commenters did anything, and claiming that as evidence... and a comment/vote brigade from SRS in this sub. It doesn't help your image when you do that. Do you have any proof that the reports came from SRS? | /r/MensRights | 18/12/13 04:46 AM |
| 5 | "Why did sillymod remove the Occidental College post?" Let me tell you why.Agreed - I'd go so far as to use the phrase "vote manipulation." | /r/MensRights | 18/12/13 04:41 AM |
| 0 | "Why did sillymod remove the Occidental College post?" Let me tell you why.You're arguing that 4 out of a population of 83,684 is a representative sample? Less than 4, actually, because the complaint is actually spamming, not talking about what its effects would be. Speculation is nothing but speculation. That brings it down to 2 out of a population of 83,684. That is 0.00002%. Not that I'm going to come down on one side or the other with respect to spamming the form, but you're not exactly making a strong point here. In addition, I'd have to question your rating of th… | /r/MensRights | 18/12/13 04:39 AM |
| 4 | "Why did sillymod remove the Occidental College post?" Let me tell you why.That says enough right there - I wasn't on much today, but looking at this post and the other post about the original post, I strongly suspect this whole thing was manufactured from outside the sub. If SRS was involved, it was probably done in part for the purpose of quote mining. | /r/MensRights | 18/12/13 04:20 AM |
| 6 | "Why did sillymod remove the Occidental College post?" Let me tell you why.I've only got the account tagged for againstmensrights because that's the only place I've seen the username... but I will add SRS to the tag. Thanks for the info. | /r/MensRights | 18/12/13 04:13 AM |
| 7 | "Why did sillymod remove the Occidental College post?" Let me tell you why.Actually, no, nobody has "devalued your words" via an Ad Hominem. You've been correctly identified. It shouldn't bother you to have your posting history pointed out unless you're ashamed of it. Your words haven't been backed up by evidence, so "we both know I'm right" isn't a factual statement, either. I'm sure it plays well with your sub's vote brigade, but if that's all you've got, your effort here is worthless. | /r/MensRights | 18/12/13 04:11 AM |
| 10 | "Why did sillymod remove the Occidental College post?" Let me tell you why.TheIdesofLight is an /r/againstmensrights troll. | /r/MensRights | 18/12/13 03:47 AM |
| 0 | Occidental College students and their advocates want the power to make online anonymous false rape accusations against male studentsNo, I proposed a what-if scenario. Not based on the wording of your question. Putting one what-if scenario against another, however, I'd say the risk of false accusations is worse. So how many college-aged boys are falsely accused of rape by girls? I could just say that this statement is meaningless because your evidence is behind a paywall, etc etc. You could, but you're a regular lurker in /r/mensrights, and have seen numerous posts about this. Feigning ignorance doesn't make your point. Howev… | /r/MensRights | 18/12/13 03:00 AM |
| 1 | I've tried to see the opinions of /r/feminism and /r/twoxchromosomes on this image and it has been removed from both. What are you guys opinions on this? Makes sense, right?Nothing is needed here but simple logic based on the claims made in support of the enthusiastic consent standard. The advocacy uses the claim that communication during a sex act is insufficient to prevent rape. In order for communication to be insufficient, either the communicator must fail to communicate the message to the listener, or the listener must fail to grasp the message. Since the message is simple concepts (no, stop, don't) that's a pretty big failure at either end. It would take a ne… | /r/MensRights | 17/12/13 11:39 PM |
| 1 | Occidental College students and their advocates want the power to make online anonymous false rape accusations against male studentsBut what if their performance actually decreases, as some studies have found? Are these studies done on students faced with the immediate threat of potential false accusation, or are they done in the absence of that distraction? Also, how have the studies you're citing (but not actually offering) measured changes in a guy's performance after he is kicked out of school following the decision of a disciplinary board? Is it worth it to do a disservice to every boy in the class/school in order to av… | /r/MensRights | 17/12/13 11:36 PM |
| 2 | Occidental College students and their advocates want the power to make online anonymous false rape accusations against male students"Current research shows" isn't a trustworthy claim. I've seen too many examples of data from limited samples applied to a broad population, large, broad studies relying on assumptions made based on tiny studies with limited application, studies with biased or otherwise flawed methods, and studies cited as evidence of conclusions they don't support. Because of that, "current research shows" or "studies show" or even "study X (that you can't see because it's behind a paywall, but here's the abstra… | /r/MensRights | 17/12/13 10:41 PM |
| 1 | I've tried to see the opinions of /r/feminism and /r/twoxchromosomes on this image and it has been removed from both. What are you guys opinions on this? Makes sense, right?You can say that, but first you have to prove how advocacy for the enthusiastic consent standard is not based on the assumption that women don't communicate, and/or the assumption that when women do communicate, men don't notice. If you cannot do that, you can still say I'm projecting a bias, but your statement is meaningless in the face of existing advocacy for the standard. | /r/MensRights | 17/12/13 10:14 PM |
| 5 | Man is forced to pay child support for his two abducted childrenOnce the state was confiscating the majority of your pay for child support, how would you buy your plane ticket? | /r/MensRights | 17/12/13 03:53 AM |
| 6 | Occidental College students and their advocates want the power to make online anonymous false rape accusations against male studentsIt would work until men from those universities began showing a high level of success. Then, feminists would start filing discrimination lawsuits claiming that women were being kept out of prestigious universities. | /r/MensRights | 17/12/13 03:03 AM |
| 1 | "You know she's a girl, you know she's weak, that's not resisting". Police attempt for 6 minutes to arrest a womanGreat, there goes my plans for THIS weekend, too. Party pooper. | /r/MensRights | 17/12/13 02:46 AM |
| 1 | I've tried to see the opinions of /r/feminism and /r/twoxchromosomes on this image and it has been removed from both. What are you guys opinions on this? Makes sense, right?No, that's pretty much what it boils down to. I'm just not couching it in the feminist denial of female agency and portrayal of males as clods that disguises its unreasonable nature. | /r/MensRights | 17/12/13 02:37 AM |
| 1 | Saw this at a store today. If the label's were reversed people would be mad but nope. "All men are idiots"Yet they can come here, pose as us and then edit their posts just to make us look like the hate group the media considers us to be and that's just fucking fine? What? Me: Answer to "what?" with the assumption that "what" indicates a lack of awareness of the history of the activity described, not "what does that have to do with my post?" I think that second question would have been better asked of anonagent, since it's now apparent that's what you meant by "what?" instead of "I don't know what yo… | /r/MensRights | 17/12/13 02:34 AM |
| 2 | Judge orders school district to rehire a teacher who used hot sauce as deterrent for autistic boy.http://www.allergysf.com/allergy-education/big-8-top-food-allergens/ http://www.livestrong.com/article/514658-allergic-reaction-to-spicy-foods/ http://www.webmd.com/allergies/guide/salicylate-allergy This teacher was reckless and abusive. Food allergies can develop at any point in life (for example, I was in my 30s when I became allergic to cantaloupe) and can evolve from a mild, barely noticeable discomfort to a life threatening reaction between incidents of exposure without warning. Further, s… | /r/MensRights | 16/12/13 12:43 PM |
| 1 | Saw this at a store today. If the label's were reversed people would be mad but nope. "All men are idiots"Read the "why" text from the auto-comment that posts whenever you post a self-post in this sub. Now, though there's no specific way to trace the effects of that, it happened during the same time feminists were get the SPLC to label the men's rights overall as a hate movement. | /r/MensRights | 15/12/13 02:12 PM |
| 6 | I've tried to see the opinions of /r/feminism and /r/twoxchromosomes on this image and it has been removed from both. What are you guys opinions on this? Makes sense, right?Feminists who advocate "enthusiastic consent" use as the basis for their argument statements which, when the fluff is taken out of them, mean "Rape often happens by accident due to poor communication between the individuals involved." The basic argument is the idea that some women have sex when they don't want to, and never the entire time do anything which might clue their sex partner into thinking "hey, maybe she doesn't want to do this" because they're too shy to say no to someone with whom t… | /r/MensRights | 15/12/13 03:36 AM |
| 21 | Angry Harry, Left-leaning MRA?There will be MRAs coming from all walks of life, because social and legal discrimination isn't limited to one political or religious ideology. Both the left and right political ideologies include a reliance on aspects of male disposability, which leads them both to support and enact measures which discriminate against men and boys in both law and policy. | /r/MensRights | 15/12/13 03:23 AM |
| 2 | Why Men's Rights?Ah, in that case, the best course of action is to separate and allow to chill until further notice. | /r/MensRights | 14/12/13 06:55 AM |
| 1 | Why Men's Rights?You're welcome. : ) This is a good place to lurk - a lot of information goes through here. The sidebar of the sub also has links which lead to good sources of information, including an FAQ. | /r/MensRights | 14/12/13 06:43 AM |
| 5 | Why Men's Rights?3 1/2 C. grains of truth 1 C. cream of the crop 1 1/2 tsp salt of the earth 2 tbsp fat of the land 1 pk Leaven of the Pharisees Mix loosely, knead until slightly stifled, shove into a closet, and let fester for several generations. Half-bake under the glare of public scrutiny when ready to consume. Caution: Can become bitter if over-manipulated. | /r/MensRights | 14/12/13 12:27 AM |
| 5 | Why Men's Rights?1) Feminists aren't fighting for the same thing. Feminist activism is a cause of, an exacerbating factor for, or a barrier to remedying various issues wherein men face legal and social discrimination. 2) Left-right politics isn't a helpful addition to men's issues discussion. Both the left and right political ideologies include a reliance on aspects of male disposability, which leads them both to support and enact measures which discriminate against men and boys in both law and policy. | /r/MensRights | 14/12/13 12:12 AM |
| 1 | Michigan goes full retard on abortion laws.Yep... feminists are so accustomed to exploiting proxy victim status for political capital that they're getting lazy about it. I wouldn't be all that surprised to see them start just replying to anything with which they want to disagree by saying "No, because RAPE!" | /r/MensRights | 14/12/13 12:02 AM |
| 2 | Hey Mensrights! It was suggested that some of you might take the time and help a father's custody battle in my hometown( Leavenworth ks) by signing this petition. Every signature helps (xpost from r/kansascity)Oh, of course... that's how most government abuses are sold to people... for the good of a population whose vulnerability is easily exploitable for political capital. | /r/MensRights | 13/12/13 11:59 PM |
| 2 | "You know she's a girl, you know she's weak, that's not resisting". Police attempt for 6 minutes to arrest a womanIsn't that awful? Shit always gets cancelled right after you find the perfect outfit for the occasion. :/ | /r/MensRights | 13/12/13 11:57 PM |
| 1 | Gender neutral "Be Smart" rape prevention campaign does not exclude male victims! Ireland doing it right.Do you have a source that isn't written by feminists? Wikipedia isn't a reliable source. In addition, I've already been through the studies in that specific source and found their methods unreliable, using exactly the techniques I've described in earlier comments further up this thread. You see, I've had this exact same conversation previously with another redditor. It resulted in the research that went into the post The feminist advocacy “research” scam and some of my other writing. As I've sai… | /r/MensRights | 13/12/13 11:56 PM |
| 1 | Is feminism really that bad?Oh, noes... complements are horribly oppressive. How am I gonna recover from that? Someone call the thought police! | /r/MensRights | 13/12/13 11:32 PM |
| 1 | Is feminism really that bad?The full NISVS report has a list of references and contributors. | /r/MensRights | 13/12/13 08:19 PM |
| 3 | What got you thinking about Men's Rights?You could say I took the red pill in stages. Early on, I could be considered simply anti-feminist because everything I read from feminism said things about the world in general, but especially about men and boys, which were quite clearly not true, and just as clearly damaging. I became more anti-feminist watching friends and family face discrimination in the criminal and family court systems, but like most people, I blamed bad judges, problems in the system, and social attitudes because I did no… | /r/MensRights | 13/12/13 08:14 PM |
| 3 | Is feminism really that bad?This article by typhonblue on genderratic explains. When I had the phone call described in this post, the representatives from the CDC confirmed for me that it was consultation with their experts which determined that definition. That was their only answer; no explanation at all to justify not classifying forcing coitus, for instance, on a man the same way one would classify forcing coitus on a woman. Simply a default buck-passing to the experts, which as the above article points out, did includ… | /r/MensRights | 13/12/13 07:56 PM |
| 4 | Is feminism really that bad?Feminist activism is a cause of, an exacerbating factor for, or a barrier to remedying various issues wherein men face legal and social discrimination. Also, "Feminism isn't that bad" threads are a dime a dozen. I suggest searching the sub's history a bit before posting next time, so you don't duplicate others' posts. We see a couple of variations on this question a month. Posting it doesn't change anything. | /r/MensRights | 13/12/13 07:48 PM |
| 2 | Is feminism really that bad?It's also important to note that the CDC's definition of rape to exclude male victims was based on advice from feminists. | /r/MensRights | 13/12/13 07:45 PM |
| 7 | "You know she's a girl, you know she's weak, that's not resisting". Police attempt for 6 minutes to arrest a womanWait, we're not? Damn, there goes my plans for the weekend. :/ | /r/MensRights | 12/12/13 11:37 PM |
| 3 | When will this end. (Sorry about the mobile version)In about 1 minute, 2 seconds, according to the time listing on the video. | /r/MensRights | 12/12/13 11:16 PM |
| 25 | "You know she's a girl, you know she's weak, that's not resisting". Police attempt for 6 minutes to arrest a womanMy gosh, that girl is so weak and helpless that it only took two people and a restraint to muscle her into that car. Ծ_O | /r/MensRights | 12/12/13 11:13 PM |
| 3 | Gender neutral "Be Smart" rape prevention campaign does not exclude male victims! Ireland doing it right.Again, repeating your claim doesn't make it so. The "blame the victim" cry itself is an unsupported claim, and you have offered no evidence to back it up. If you were discussing this with someone who has never experienced having that cry substituted for debate about ideological campaigns labeling all men potential rapists, your assertion might fly, but as it is, you're not, and it doesn't. Offer something substantive, or your argument is nothing but conjecture. Last but not least, you cannot "gi… | /r/MensRights | 12/12/13 11:06 PM |
| 3 | Why I don't vote and never will vote democratBy his own admission, he's an entertainer, not a political leader. That said, this: Ladies, how are you going to feel when the progressives prohibit men from paying you a compliment on your walk home from the bar? You know there’s always one friend of yours who waited all night for that. And if you happen to be a woman who isn’t employed by the Democratic National Committee or the New York Times, maybe you’re really not all that offended by these sorts of things. makes a really solid point. The … | /r/MensRights | 12/12/13 10:24 PM |
| 3 | Gender neutral "Be Smart" rape prevention campaign does not exclude male victims! Ireland doing it right.You are citing unsupported theory That's projection. The theory you're discussing here isn't rooted in reliable research. It's based the house of cards I described in above comments. Don't blame the victim is not about absolving them of all responsibility, its about bringing the self blame down to manageable and rational levels and eventually giving agency back the victim. The history of the discussion on rape doesn't support that, particularly in the area of campaigns like the "enthusiastic con… | /r/MensRights | 12/12/13 10:08 PM |
| 3 | Am I wrong for thinking the Men's Rights movement is just stooping to the levels of feminism?Not a problem - my response to the OP is rooted in being fed up with the tone policing we've seen lately. I have no patience for it any more. | /r/MensRights | 12/12/13 10:04 PM |
| 3 | Am I wrong for thinking the Men's Rights movement is just stooping to the levels of feminism?"You" means the OP, whose rant begins with a statement labeling the sub's discussion of men's issues as "whining," then goes on to say that if men just keep being men, the issues will fix themselves. | /r/MensRights | 12/12/13 09:51 PM |
| 3 | Gender neutral "Be Smart" rape prevention campaign does not exclude male victims! Ireland doing it right.The proof that that its a misinterpretation is self evident. This is begging the question. You're claiming that the advocacy which relies on women's helplessness as its starting point empowers women because its proponents claim it empowers women. You haven't actually offered evidence that it does so. You're simply relying on the presumption that women have no agency to begin with, which is the disempowering aspect of the theory being contested here. So you're essentially saying "This is true bec… | /r/MensRights | 12/12/13 09:47 PM |
| 1 | Am I wrong for thinking the Men's Rights movement is just stooping to the levels of feminism?"The best metric available" does not infer accuracy. It does not eliminate the outside influences which can affect an individual's performance on an IQ test. It simply means we don't have a genuinely accurate method of measuring intelligence available, which in turn means we should not make generalized assumptions like the one you made in that comment. Also, do you have anything besides a wikipedia article? Wikipedia is crowdsourced, and allows content to be decided based on the opinions of user… | /r/MensRights | 12/12/13 09:37 PM |
| 3 | Am I wrong for thinking the Men's Rights movement is just stooping to the levels of feminism?That's ripe. "Talking about men's issues is whining" isn't telling the sub how to talk, but calling someone out on the behavior is. I'm not buying it. Provide some evidence, and then maybe, but considering the difference between that less-than-a-month-old account's comment and posting history, and mine, I don't find your assessment rational, or even honest. | /r/MensRights | 12/12/13 09:30 PM |
| 2 | Gender neutral "Be Smart" rape prevention campaign does not exclude male victims! Ireland doing it right.You haven't proved that it's a misrepresentation. You've simply called it that in argument against it. | /r/MensRights | 12/12/13 09:28 PM |
| 2 | Question concerning male rape.Not all men are big and strong. Not all women are small and weak. It is possible for a female rapist to be bigger and stronger than her victim, and to use physical force to subdue him, but that is also not the only way a man (or boy) might be raped by a female rapist. James Landrith's story is an example of a woman using an intoxicant and a threat to coerce a man to comply with her sexual demands. Any method by which a person can contravene a woman's right or ability to refuse sex can also be us… | /r/MensRights | 12/12/13 09:27 PM |
| 1 | Am I wrong for thinking the Men's Rights movement is just stooping to the levels of feminism?Right. Just like your opening line accusing MRAs of being whiny for discussing men's issues, and you responded to being called out on that with belligerence and hyperbole. Here, you've entered a sub where the main point of discussion is issues of discrimination faced by men in modern society, and you expect to be taken seriously when opening with a line disparaging the entire sub for discussing those issues by labeling that discussion "whining." What makes you think attempting to pass off your b… | /r/MensRights | 12/12/13 09:01 PM |
| 6 | Hey Mensrights! It was suggested that some of you might take the time and help a father's custody battle in my hometown( Leavenworth ks) by signing this petition. Every signature helps (xpost from r/kansascity)Wow, that one paragraph really shows the misandry inherent in the response of child protective services to fathers: The child abuse was substantiated on the Mother's boyfriend, that case is another story. Prior to and at that time Noah was denied custody of his daughter due to "bonding" issues presumably established during the two years Noah did not know where she was. Haylee was placed in a foster home, where she knew no one. So, basically, because the child's mother kept the child from the chi… | /r/MensRights | 12/12/13 08:57 PM |
| 1 | Am I wrong for thinking the Men's Rights movement is just stooping to the levels of feminism?It's not about your politics - your comment calling black people "half retarded", a link sent to me in a private message, speaks volumes. | /r/MensRights | 12/12/13 08:49 PM |
| 1 | Am I wrong for thinking the Men's Rights movement is just stooping to the levels of feminism?That's great, hambeast - continue with your pretense. Your comment history has been pointed out to me. You're nothing but a troll... which explains why you started out with anti-discussion shaming language. | /r/MensRights | 12/12/13 08:45 PM |
| 3 | Am I wrong for thinking the Men's Rights movement is just stooping to the levels of feminism?I didn't see evidence that hambeast is a woman - just a troll. Starting out by accusing the entire sub of being whiny for discussing men's issues is just too obvious at this point. | /r/MensRights | 12/12/13 08:41 PM |
| 2 | Am I wrong for thinking the Men's Rights movement is just stooping to the levels of feminism?I think you should exclude yourself from "everyone." Your initial post isn't even genuinely civil. | /r/MensRights | 12/12/13 08:31 PM |
| 3 | Am I wrong for thinking the Men's Rights movement is just stooping to the levels of feminism?Yep, and one who can't even recognize being prodded into a bigger display of idiocy. This is pitiful. >_< | /r/MensRights | 12/12/13 08:29 PM |
| 3 | Am I wrong for thinking the Men's Rights movement is just stooping to the levels of feminism?Says the redditor who posted an opinionated rant that started out chastising MRAs for discussing the discrimination men face, and then finished by offering a lot of fluff and nonsense. Keep up the demonstration. It's very helpful. | /r/MensRights | 12/12/13 08:28 PM |
| 2 | Michigan goes full retard on abortion laws.The article is also biased. The reporter wrote as if access to abortion only exists for women if someone other than the woman is paying the bill, which is not true. It's also written using rape as a social battering ram. Pregnancy resulting from a rape accounts for less than 2% of abortions done in the U.S. So what this reporter is actually complaining about is Michigan's legislators protecting citizens, who are REQUIRED to buy health insurance, from having to fund coverage for a procedure to wh… | /r/MensRights | 12/12/13 08:24 PM |
| 5 | Am I wrong for thinking the Men's Rights movement is just stooping to the levels of feminism?Keep trying, hambeast. | /r/MensRights | 12/12/13 08:07 PM |
| 5 | Am I wrong for thinking the Men's Rights movement is just stooping to the levels of feminism?Wow, that's quite balanced of you, hambeast. It looks like my debate skills just won't stand up to your outstanding logic and firm grasp on reality. Carry on, then. ;) | /r/MensRights | 12/12/13 08:04 PM |
| 5 | I won't let this stand.Ideologues haven't got a working concept of morality. In their minds, their beliefs justify victimizing others as long as their victims can be classified as ideological opponents... which allows these religious zealots to rationalize robbing a small business owner because they have a religious objection to her merchandise. | /r/MensRights | 12/12/13 08:01 PM |
| 9 | Am I wrong for thinking the Men's Rights movement is just stooping to the levels of feminism?it just seems whiny, not like men should act. Are you fucking serious? You think men shouldn't experience the same human response to adversity you would tolerate in women? The universe finds balance Oh, I see. I'm commenting on the post of a fluffy bunny. That explains your entire rant. | /r/MensRights | 12/12/13 07:53 PM |
| 1 | Gender neutral "Be Smart" rape prevention campaign does not exclude male victims! Ireland doing it right.The duress they are taking about is verbal, deception and intoxication, pretty much the same deal as with other laws that cover agreement between people. They also want to do away with mens rea and standards of evidence to get more convictions. Verbal interaction is not overpowering duress. Any parent of a toddler has to be able to stand firm in the face of that type of "verbal duress." That a man is an adult does not change his partner's responsibility for her own choices in the face of unreaso… | /r/MensRights | 12/12/13 07:48 PM |
| 3 | Main programmer leaves project after public shaming for rejecting gendered pronoun changes as trivial.Don't make this about women. It isn't about women. It's about feminist ideology. Women aren't universally feminist. I'm female and anti-feminist. Maybe if feminists would stop with the "do these pants make my ass look fat" level of reading sexism into everything in existence, and try existing without that giant gender-issues chip on their shoulder for 5 minutes, they could actually get some work done. Instead, the comment thread in this post serves as a perfect example of how the influx of femin… | /r/MensRights | 12/12/13 07:14 PM |
| 2 | Shit like this pisses me of.That's also typical of feminists. | /r/MensRights | 12/12/13 07:10 PM |
| 2 | Main programmer leaves project after public shaming for rejecting gendered pronoun changes as trivial.Yes, exactly. | /r/MensRights | 12/12/13 07:10 PM |
| 1 | Gender neutral "Be Smart" rape prevention campaign does not exclude male victims! Ireland doing it right.That's not true - I have presented a detailed description of the flaws in their claims. Its true that they want to any form of duress to void the consent if the woman decides the consent was obtained under duress, after the fact. This statement is false in that it presumes that's all they wanted, and that the condition you're describing (duress voiding consent) doesn't already exist. Genuine duress voiding consent does already exist, and genuine duress is not the only thing feminists want to ena… | /r/MensRights | 12/12/13 07:09 PM |
| 6 | AVFM is hosting International Conference on Men's IssuesThat's pretty typical. The level of irrationality in that thread... I mean... MRA coding? Seriously? That's fucking hilarious. That group cannot openly and honestly discuss anything - they have to "interpret" everything through a filter of viewing women as victims and men as invulnerable, valueless perpetrators, twisting terms and concepts to fit their ideological bigotry so that abuse isn't abuse if a woman does it to a man, and rights aren't rights if men want theirs recognized... but, you kno… | /r/MensRights | 12/12/13 06:43 PM |
| 5 | Not /strictly/ a direct MR issue, but I wanted to get your thoughts on this, pleaseI'm not saying that's what you said, simply making a statement about the nature of kids, both as a former kid, and a parent, but also as an individual who has seen a lot of discussion about kids' growth which treated them as blank slates waiting to have a social design impressed upon them. That's the basis on which feminists argue that the reason there are fewer women than men in STEM professions is that girls aren't encouraged to pursue them... and it's that on argument that the ad linked to in… | /r/MensRights | 12/12/13 05:50 AM |
| 1 | Arguing against "only white males can discriminate, because they're privileged"This is my answer to statements about "privilege." | /r/MensRights | 12/12/13 05:11 AM |
| 7 | Main programmer leaves project after public shaming for rejecting gendered pronoun changes as trivial.Reverting the change is a response, not an initial action. It's "don't be an idiot." And he was right - the person who made that change was ridiculously focused on an irrelevant detail instead of the task at hand. That doesn't make the responding programmer a dick. It shows that the group has been subject to the Sarkeesian effect; feminists and other SJWs coming into a setting and deciding the flow of the group's existence must bend to suit their sensibilities. | /r/MensRights | 12/12/13 05:06 AM |
| 8 | Not /strictly/ a direct MR issue, but I wanted to get your thoughts on this, pleaseToys don't determine a child's aptitudes and interests. A child's aptitudes and interests determine which toys (or other objects) she... or he... finds interesting enough to enjoy. My brother and I had access to all the same toys as kids. We both used/enjoyed those that we found interesting. Kids can obviously learn and be influenced, but that doesn't make them mindless robots to be programmed by the adults around them. Play may not be programming so much as it is evidence of the direction of a … | /r/MensRights | 12/12/13 05:01 AM |
| 8 | Shit like this pisses me of.Also, paint anyone in your movement who draws criticism as "radical" and deny that they represent your movement, so as to enable yourself to continue to identify with the ideology and the political power held by the movement while simultaneously denying all responsibility for the damage the movement does. Otherwise known as "NAFALT!" | /r/MensRights | 12/12/13 04:21 AM |
| 5 | Insane article at AVFM says since 'marital rape' came into effect, there is no reason to get married - lots of other charming arguments too - expecting men to share chores is a sign she's not interested in giving her husband moral support. Thank you Paul. Wonderful article. Be sure to facebook it.Social justice warriors are notorious for failing to differentiate between "you can't have what you want if you don't do what I want" and "I'm going to hurt you if you don't do what I want." The first one is sometimes shitty, and when it is, SJWs use the word "coercion" to describe that. That's because SJWs do not understand that a choice doesn't become not a choice just because one's options aren't precisely as one would like them to be. The second one, when the target has reason to fear the th… | /r/MensRights | 12/12/13 04:03 AM |
| 11 | Main programmer leaves project after public shaming for rejecting gendered pronoun changes as trivial.Actually, reading that whole thread, what I saw was a childish and unnecessary insistence that gender politics be inserted into a technical discussion. It doesn't make the guy who didn't consider insisting upon making every fucking little thing in life gender neutral through pronoun use an asshole. The initial insistence on "correcting" the use of a gendered pronoun with a plural one for the sake of gender neutrality, and the explosion over having it changed back, shows that gender ideologues ar… | /r/MensRights | 12/12/13 02:07 AM |
| 3 | Subject of Twitter bigotry now claiming to have received death threats from MRAs.Her lack of research is pretty funny - it made it easy for gamers to tear her videos apart. She didn't get a lot of threats. She called a lot of statements she didn't like "threats" to inflate the perception that she was being harassed. She mostly got criticism. Some of the criticism was just criticism. Some of it was rudely stated. A tiny percentage of her commenters made rude or crude suggestions. That's one of the issues I was talking about with feminism. They don't differentiate. They'll tre… | /r/MensRights | 12/12/13 01:43 AM |
| 1 | Gender neutral "Be Smart" rape prevention campaign does not exclude male victims! Ireland doing it right.It doesn't mean you agree with them, but when you present their promo-line instead of their actual impact, it's not an accurate representation of them. It's vital to not do their work for them by projecting an acceptance of claims you know are not true. Regardless, when I see the assertions presented, I'm going to point out the flaws in them whether it's from an MRA repeating what feminists have said, or feminists themselves. Just because I do that doesn't mean I think you believe what you've he… | /r/MensRights | 11/12/13 10:30 PM |
| 2 | Subject of Twitter bigotry now claiming to have received death threats from MRAs.No, not harsh at all, considering the energy she dedicated to seeking attention using her initial claims of being threatened, and considering that she was directly quoted in the article expanding on the initial description of her experience. "It was ... thousands of people coming after me," Sarkeesian told "20/20." "Threats of rape, threats of death, threats of violence," she said. No, I don't believe she offered quotes for that article, then didn't read it when it came out. Regardless, no, indi… | /r/MensRights | 11/12/13 10:23 PM |
| 3 | Subject of Twitter bigotry now claiming to have received death threats from MRAs.Can you show where she responded to the article by correcting the statement "attacks from the manosphere were swift," or did she just intend to sit back and leave that impression unchallenged? | /r/MensRights | 11/12/13 09:47 PM |
| 7 | Your Bootstraps : Objectification and the Smearing of Male SexualityThe discussion on sexual objectification is an area that pretty clearly highlights the feminist tendency to decide whether they think a behavior is harmful/wrong or harmless/acceptable based on which sex they perceive doing it, and then attempt to come up with excuses for the double standard. Last time I was in a discussion with a feminist on that topic, she insisted that the experience of being on the receiving end of sexual objectification was harder on women, and the impact was greater on wom… | /r/MensRights | 11/12/13 09:31 PM |
| 9 | This place has seriously circle-jerked out of control."This place is a circlejerk because people don't like something I said." Excuse me while I go find an umbrella and some rain boots. | /r/MensRights | 11/12/13 08:25 PM |
| 59 | Shit like this pisses me of.Feminists who make that claim don't know their shit about feminist activism, either. | /r/MensRights | 11/12/13 08:11 PM |
| 2 | Gender neutral "Be Smart" rape prevention campaign does not exclude male victims! Ireland doing it right.Yes its true they are trying to make consent invalid if there is any verbal duress or pressure, link with other laws that govern agreements. No, it's not true that their effort is about duress or pressure. It's about establishing the automatic acceptance of female claims; in this case, claims of duress or pressure. There is a huge difference between fact and claims. The "enthusiastic consent" standard does nothing to address whether there is an actual issue of pressure, but is designed to automa… | /r/MensRights | 11/12/13 08:04 PM |
| 18 | Subject of Twitter bigotry now claiming to have received death threats from MRAs.The same thing was seen with Anita Sarkeesian's claims of being threatened by "MRAs" after she was (kind of) trolled by 4chan... and ABC's 20/20 actually repeated her claim without even checking first to see if it was true. Much of Antia's list of "threats" were no such thing. There were ill wishes, and hyperbole (We're raping you right now with our 9000 penisis!) and criticisms of her claims, but the claim that she was flooded by threats from MRAs was a bald-faced lie. This seems to be a thing … | /r/MensRights | 11/12/13 05:50 PM |
| 2 | Gender neutral "Be Smart" rape prevention campaign does not exclude male victims! Ireland doing it right.It doesn't matter whether they're saying every situation or not - it's still the same claim. Regardless of how many times you keep repeating the same lines, what you're citing is based on the insinuation that males are clods who can't tell the difference between active participation, and active refusal, or that females are incapable children who can't say what they mean when it's important to them to communicate it. It's bullshit pretending there's no difference between flirting and a definitive… | /r/MensRights | 11/12/13 03:50 AM |
| 4 | So men are exploiting women....It's actually quite hypocritical for anyone to call cooperating with women who use physical appearance/sexuality to get something they want "exploitation of women." What it boils down to is critics presuming themselves the arbiter of who should or should not be able to use something of their own to get something they want. In this case, it's perfectly acceptable to them for women to use sex appeal to get money, attention, prestige, whatever they're achieving by using it, but not okay for men to … | /r/MensRights | 11/12/13 03:25 AM |
| 3 | Boy with asthma dies at school because he wasn't allowed to keep his inhaler with him. Ontario mom urges schools to let asthmatic kids carry puffers (X-post Canada)I'm asking you to prove your initial point. You haven't done that. I also made a counterargument to your initial point, and you attempted to counter that with a statement that doesn't relate to it. We haven't wandered away from your initial point. I've disagreed with you, and this is where that has led. It's not a misunderstanding. It's a disagreement. That's not a bad thing. If we all agreed with each other all the time, this sub would be nothing but a circle-jerk. It's all well and good to say… | /r/MensRights | 10/12/13 05:32 AM |
| 3 | Boy with asthma dies at school because he wasn't allowed to keep his inhaler with him. Ontario mom urges schools to let asthmatic kids carry puffers (X-post Canada)That's a valid question, but does the article specify that the doctor didn't write an order specifying him to carry it? In the U.S., laws had to be passed recognizing asthma as a protected disability in order to give parents a tool to make school administrators follow such orders from doctors. It looks from the article like Canada has no such law. | /r/MensRights | 10/12/13 04:01 AM |
| 3 | Boy with asthma dies at school because he wasn't allowed to keep his inhaler with him. Ontario mom urges schools to let asthmatic kids carry puffers (X-post Canada)Again, you have not demonstrated your claim. At this point, you're simply repeating it, and continuing to rely on a lack of overt, direct, measurable discrimination in the application of the policy after having it pointed out that that's not relevant because the discussion is about disproportionate impact, not disproportionate application. A statement about application does not counter an argument which points to impact. Application does not necessarily determine impact, especially given the oth… | /r/MensRights | 10/12/13 03:59 AM |
| 3 | Boy with asthma dies at school because he wasn't allowed to keep his inhaler with him. Ontario mom urges schools to let asthmatic kids carry puffers (X-post Canada)You're attempting to move the goal posts now. I pointed out that ZT policies disproportionately impact on boys, not that they're unfairly applied. What you need to demonstrate, in order to back your claim that this is not a men's rights issue, is that this particular case has no relevance to the fact that ZT policies disproportionately impact on boys. In order to move the goalposts from that to "more often used against men and boys," you need to demonstrate that overt, measurable and direct disc… | /r/MensRights | 10/12/13 03:33 AM |
| 5 | Boy with asthma dies at school because he wasn't allowed to keep his inhaler with him. Ontario mom urges schools to let asthmatic kids carry puffers (X-post Canada)Attempting to make the issue not a men's rights issue by attempting to separate the example from the cause does not actually detract from the fact that it does show an example of a men's rights issue. It merely shows a desperation to deny the issue. Since you have challenged this as a men's rights issue, and it's been demonstrated to you that the news item is an example of the results of policy which disproportionately affects boys, it's up to you to provide evidence to back up your claim. You c… | /r/MensRights | 10/12/13 03:17 AM |
| 2 | Gender neutral "Be Smart" rape prevention campaign does not exclude male victims! Ireland doing it right.No, they are using the pretense that girls are incapable of saying no. The coyness argument relies on the pretense that a girl averse to a sexual encounter is incapable of simply saying, "NO." Not flirting while acting demure, or simply acting hesitant while continuing to touch and kiss, but actually ceasing to show affection and stating "NO," or "STOP," or "I don't want this." Feminists pretend guys can't tell the difference between demure and a definitive statement in order to dilute the defin… | /r/MensRights | 10/12/13 03:06 AM |
| 2 | Gender neutral "Be Smart" rape prevention campaign does not exclude male victims! Ireland doing it right.That's a ridiculous attempt at stretching for a reason to call consensual sex rape. A guy is not a rapist because you're so flighty that you can be wholly enthusiastic one second, and averse but too scared to say "I changed my mind" the next. In fact, if you have that problem, you should probably seek mental health treatment. | /r/MensRights | 10/12/13 02:59 AM |
| 2 | Boy with asthma dies at school because he wasn't allowed to keep his inhaler with him. Ontario mom urges schools to let asthmatic kids carry puffers (X-post Canada)Actually, it does. In fact, in searching for other stories (because I recalled seeing them in the past) of student deaths due to this exact issue, I found more stories of boys' deaths than girls. This may in part be due to differences in the exertion habits of boys and girls in pre-adolescence and early adolescence, the age range of most of the kids I've read about dying of asthma attacks at school. It might also be due to the combination of policy and the child's disability clashing with the ex… | /r/MensRights | 10/12/13 02:53 AM |
| 2 | Boy with asthma dies at school because he wasn't allowed to keep his inhaler with him. Ontario mom urges schools to let asthmatic kids carry puffers (X-post Canada)Actually, it does. In fact, in searching for other stories (because I recalled seeing them in the past) of student deaths due to this exact issue, I found more stories of boys' deaths than girls. This may in part be due to differences in the exertion habits of boys and girls in pre-adolescence and early adolescence, the age range of most of the kids I've read about dying of asthma attacks at school. It might also be due to the combination of policy and the child's disability clashing with the ex… | /r/MensRights | 10/12/13 02:50 AM |
| 5 | Boy with asthma dies at school because he wasn't allowed to keep his inhaler with him. Ontario mom urges schools to let asthmatic kids carry puffers (X-post Canada)Also, ask them why their school is not handicap accessible. Asthma is a manageable condition, but if it's not properly managed (including maintaining the availability of emergency medicine) it can be deadly. A child who is told he has to leave his emergency care in a location that is not immediately accessible to him should he need it cannot be considered to have safe access to the educational facility he is attending. For that matter, write to your legislators and ask why they're so far behind … | /r/MensRights | 10/12/13 02:40 AM |
| 2 | Boy with asthma dies at school because he wasn't allowed to keep his inhaler with him. Ontario mom urges schools to let asthmatic kids carry puffers (X-post Canada)At 5 years old, I knew how to use my inhaler, why it was so important, and why I had to keep track of it like my life depended on it, because at 5 years old, I'd already repeatedly experienced having my life depend on it. I was 18 months old when I experienced my first near-fatal attack. It was either learn to participate in managing my asthma even when I was very young, or die because of it. My parents made sure I learned. My asthma made sure I remembered. Whether or not a kid is able to use hi… | /r/MensRights | 10/12/13 02:18 AM |
| 2 | Boy with asthma dies at school because he wasn't allowed to keep his inhaler with him. Ontario mom urges schools to let asthmatic kids carry puffers (X-post Canada)Zero tolerance policies are a men's rights issue. They disproportionately affect boys, and based on the effect that punishment under zero tolerance can have, these policies are quite likely one of the reasons boys have fallen behind in education. An exasperated Rich-Shea tells us that by 1998, school suspensions had reached 3.2 million per year, where they’ve since plateaued. Minorities are two to three times as likely to be suspended than white kids. Males four times as likely as females. Just … | /r/MensRights | 10/12/13 02:04 AM |
| 2 | Boy with asthma dies at school because he wasn't allowed to keep his inhaler with him. Ontario mom urges schools to let asthmatic kids carry puffers (X-post Canada)Zero tolerance policies are a men's rights issue. They disproportionately affect boys, and based on the effect that punishment under zero tolerance can have, these policies are quite likely one of the reasons boys have fallen behind in education. An exasperated Rich-Shea tells us that by 1998, school suspensions had reached 3.2 million per year, where they’ve since plateaued. Minorities are two to three times as likely to be suspended than white kids. Males four times as likely as females. Just … | /r/MensRights | 10/12/13 02:04 AM |
| 6 | Boy with asthma dies at school because he wasn't allowed to keep his inhaler with him. Ontario mom urges schools to let asthmatic kids carry puffers (X-post Canada)Zero tolerance policies are a men's rights issue. They disproportionately affect boys, and based on the effect that punishment under zero tolerance can have, these policies are quite likely one of the reasons boys have fallen behind in education. An exasperated Rich-Shea tells us that by 1998, school suspensions had reached 3.2 million per year, where they’ve since plateaued. Minorities are two to three times as likely to be suspended than white kids. Males four times as likely as females. Just … | /r/MensRights | 10/12/13 02:03 AM |
| 5 | Boy with asthma dies at school because he wasn't allowed to keep his inhaler with him. Ontario mom urges schools to let asthmatic kids carry puffers (X-post Canada)You're right. Not only did they have information easily available to them about asthma and the medication used to treat it, they also had available to them in the form of an existing history of news stories about asthmatic kids dying because of exactly this type of administrative bullshit, and changes in other countries' laws because of those deaths. This is a either case of a heinous level of laziness-led neglect on the part of school officials, or of the arrogant, self-serving stuffed-shirt at… | /r/MensRights | 10/12/13 02:02 AM |
| 4 | Boy with asthma dies at school because he wasn't allowed to keep his inhaler with him. Ontario mom urges schools to let asthmatic kids carry puffers (X-post Canada)Zero tolerance policies are a men's rights issue. They disproportionately affect boys, and based on the effect that punishment under zero tolerance can have, these policies are quite likely one of the reasons boys have fallen behind in education. An exasperated Rich-Shea tells us that by 1998, school suspensions had reached 3.2 million per year, where they’ve since plateaued. Minorities are two to three times as likely to be suspended than white kids. Males four times as likely as females. Just … | /r/MensRights | 10/12/13 12:45 AM |
| 2 | Gender neutral "Be Smart" rape prevention campaign does not exclude male victims! Ireland doing it right.It's no more complicated than their stated agenda, which relies exactly on the inherent dishonesty I've described. In fact, the above is a more accurate description of the feminist agenda than feminists offer, because feminists try to make what they're saying sound nicer than it is. Advocacy for the enthusiastic consent standard is a perfect example of the feminist dehumanization campaign against men, and of feminist exploitation of women for political and financial gain. | /r/MensRights | 09/12/13 01:39 PM |
| 3 | Gender neutral "Be Smart" rape prevention campaign does not exclude male victims! Ireland doing it right.That's actually not a true statement. Feminists are saying sex with a girl who doesn't say no, actively and willfully participates in an encounter when she has the full ability and opportunity to refuse, but who doesn't repeatedly at each step of the way get verbally asked permission and verbally give it, is rape if she later denies her own agency to refuse. It has nothing to do with tradition, and everything to do with denying female agency in order to facilitate their own predatory exploitatio… | /r/MensRights | 09/12/13 01:35 PM |
| 7 | Gender neutral "Be Smart" rape prevention campaign does not exclude male victims! Ireland doing it right.No, feminists are saying sex with a girl who doesn't say no, actively and willfully participates in an encounter when she has the full ability and opportunity to refuse, but who doesn't repeatedly at each step of the way get verbally asked permission and verbally give it, is rape if she later denies her own agency to refuse. They're using wording designed to capitalize on male hyperagency and female hypoagency to make that claim without appearing to make that claim, but that is the claim they're… | /r/MensRights | 09/12/13 01:41 AM |
| 2 | Gender neutral "Be Smart" rape prevention campaign does not exclude male victims! Ireland doing it right.The thing is, there is no real, viable solution to the feminist-perceived "problem" of miscommunications and lack of assertiveness coupled with too much assertion leading to grey area "rapes," because the claim is that girls/women are being pressured by guys into actively participating in sex they don't want. Given that claim, the same accusation of pressure and rape would easily still occur following the enthusiastic consent protocol, because a girl or woman who would say she was pressured into… | /r/MensRights | 09/12/13 12:16 AM |
| 5 | Gender neutral "Be Smart" rape prevention campaign does not exclude male victims! Ireland doing it right.I don't think it lessens that risk at all. I don't think some girls do have sex because they're more shy about saying no than they are about taking their clothes off and fucking someone. I think there are false rape allegations that happen because some girls refuse to take responsibility for themselves. Girls who choose to actively engage in a sex act and then later cry rape will do that whether they've simply fucked, or enthusiastically said "Yes, I want to fuck," and then gone ahead and done i… | /r/MensRights | 09/12/13 12:06 AM |
| 19 | Gender neutral "Be Smart" rape prevention campaign does not exclude male victims! Ireland doing it right."Enthusiastic consent" is a bullshit concept created by feminists to redefine rape to include consensual sex. It's a way to preserve their ability to cite intimidating rape statistics to support continued advocacy for discriminatory law and policy, and for funding, because they know that if they keep calling drunk sex "rape," men will avoid having sex in a drinking environment in order to avoid accusations, and rape stats will diminish. They had to come up with some way to continue to claim that… | /r/MensRights | 08/12/13 02:40 PM |
| 6 | Gender neutral "Be Smart" rape prevention campaign does not exclude male victims! Ireland doing it right.Apparently, yes - shy girls who respond coyly instead of bluntly are not allowed to have sex any more. | /r/MensRights | 08/12/13 02:26 PM |
| 2 | So I'm at a benefitThat's because the vaccine was only promoted for women... but at least in my county in Ohio, it is being recommended for boys. | /r/MensRights | 08/12/13 03:51 AM |
| 6 | Funny how stupid something can sound when you apply the same logic elsewhere - KidwalkWhy just for males? | /r/MensRights | 07/12/13 10:21 PM |
| 2 | Funny how stupid something can sound when you apply the same logic elsewhere - KidwalkFeminists who advocate "enthusiastic consent" use as the basis for their argument statements which, when the fluff is taken out of them, mean "Rape often happens by accident due to poor communication between the individuals involved." The basic argument is the idea that some women have sex when they don't want to, and never the entire time do anything which might clue their sex partner into thinking "hey, maybe she doesn't want to do this" because they're too shy to say no to someone with whom t… | /r/MensRights | 07/12/13 10:20 PM |
| 8 | Georgia man must pay $50k for breaking promise to marry womanBreach of promise boils down to "You owe me a continued relationship because I expect one from you, and I've told the court you promised me one." It creates a dichotomy of choices that reduces marriage to prostitution; you have to pay for refusing to continue to live with and have sex with the individual suing you. No matter how one attempts to present it, no matter how much one tries to make it about the feelings of the jilted lover, the bottom line is that society doesn't have the right to pun… | /r/MensRights | 07/12/13 10:08 PM |
| 9 | Georgia man must pay $50k for breaking promise to marry womanBreach of promise boils down to "You owe me a continued relationship because I expect one from you, and I've told the court you promised me one." It creates a dichotomy of choices that reduces marriage to prostitution; you have to pay for refusing to continue to live with and have sex with the individual suing you. No matter how one attempts to present it, no matter how much one tries to make it about the feelings of the jilted lover, the bottom line is that society doesn't have the right to pun… | /r/MensRights | 07/12/13 10:08 PM |
| 4 | Georgia man must pay $50k for breaking promise to marry womanCooper then quit her job to raise the couple's children, thinking Kelley would support the new family is not "Kelly requested that Cooper quit her job to raise the couples children, promising to support the new family..." What you have here is a woman who threw her lover out of the house, is mad, and is suing him because she can, not because he caused substantial damage to her. There is even dispute over whether or not they were engaged. She's calling the ring an engagement ring; he's saying "I … | /r/MensRights | 07/12/13 10:00 PM |
| 3 | Two Teenage Boys Charged w/ Reckless Endangerment for "Allowing" a Drunk Teenage Girl to Drive HomeActually, since she's underage, her intoxication makes her a criminal. | /r/MensRights | 07/12/13 09:38 PM |
| 3 | Two Teenage Boys Charged w/ Reckless Endangerment for "Allowing" a Drunk Teenage Girl to Drive HomeI wonder if anyone will check into who served those kids with alcohol in the first place. Not that they're not responsible for drinking illegally, but I do wonder if that's being investigated at all, or of the boys are going to be made scapegoats. | /r/MensRights | 07/12/13 12:38 PM |
| 14 | Two Teenage Boys Charged w/ Reckless Endangerment for "Allowing" a Drunk Teenage Girl to Drive HomeYou are correct. In fact, the law in at least some states (including mine) specifically bars a provider (bar tender, sales clerk, etc.,) from selling alcohol to someone who is clearly very intoxicated, and holds the provider responsible for making that arbitrary assessment. Generally, people who sell alcohol are charged under this law if it can be proved that they provided alcohol to a drunk person who then proceeded to cause harm to themselves or others while drunk. I've actually had to face th… | /r/MensRights | 07/12/13 12:31 PM |
| 1 | Fantastic gender neutral discussion on rape and how we can more effectively deal with it. Not men's rights or feminist, it's meant for a neutral discussion.You always have to be alert to feminists' methods. The approach is very often "Yes, men have rights issues, and we can acknowledge that as long as you let us turn the focus right back to our perspective of women's issues after." To that end, they weasel in every way possible of blaming men for men's issues, blaming men for women's issues, marginalizing or ignoring men's experiences, minimizing women's agency (which is what "enthusiastic consent" does - it can be pared down to a statement that wo… | /r/MensRights | 07/12/13 03:18 AM |
| 0 | This is NOT who we are, and this is NOT Okay.The problem with condemning sexist jokes simply because of their source is that the whole "thought police" thing is one of those issues on which many MRAs disagree with feminists, who treat it as an attack that it is not. It is not helpful to try to enforce feminist standards on men's groups. It's especially not productive for one men's group to try to enforce feminist standards upon another men's group, which is what's happening here as a result of this post. Personally, I don't think that page… | /r/MensRights | 07/12/13 12:02 AM |
| 1 | This is NOT who we are, and this is NOT Okay.The fact that David Futrelle (the blogger who writes Manboobz) cited the quote in a blog post of his was given to me by another commenter as the reason why the quote was even notable. Without that, what you have is an OP who posted a rant over an infinitesimal issue - someone on the internet said something he didn't like. I understand your frustration in not having your word accepted on this. If I knew you, it might be different, but I don't. As it is, I'm still seeing this as a counterproductiv… | /r/MensRights | 06/12/13 11:13 PM |
| 0 | This is NOT who we are, and this is NOT Okay.No, they're not convincing - they don't contain anything that shows the post was actually there. I don't want to be offensive either, but screenshots aren't reliable evidence, because they can be so easily faked. They're useful to avoid linking to pages, but when what's being discussed is an accusation, they shouldn't in and of themselves be considered proof. The same is true of OP - believing a person has no reason to lie when making an accusation is not a reason to automatically believe the ac… | /r/MensRights | 06/12/13 10:37 PM |
| -1 | This is NOT who we are, and this is NOT Okay.Your screenshot shows that you got a notification, but it doesn't show what post it was for. Given that the only actual evidence of the item itself is a screenshot and "this was on manboobz" I am not convinced. Do you have any evidence that actually shows the post was ever there? | /r/MensRights | 06/12/13 10:01 PM |
| 0 | This is NOT who we are, and this is NOT Okay.The page is there, but the post shown in the screenshot isn't. It also is not consistent with the other posts on the page, either. I think the screenshot is a fake. | /r/MensRights | 06/12/13 01:44 PM |
| 3 | This is NOT who we are, and this is NOT Okay.That's just it - the page is there, but the post shown in the screenshot isn't. It also is not consistent with the other posts on the page, either. Futrelle's influence on feminists is irrelevant. As a group, we're not going to achieve anything for men and be liked by feminists, because a lot of what has caused the issues discussed here can be traced directly back to feminism. Even if a likability factor was in some way relevant, it's still not okay to slander a smaller group on the basis of Fut… | /r/MensRights | 06/12/13 01:44 PM |
| -1 | This is NOT who we are, and this is NOT Okay.Just checked on facebook - there are two results if you search "Men against misandry." One is that page. The other is a closed group. I looked at the page. That post isn't on it. I strongly suspect that the screencap is actually a fake. | /r/MensRights | 06/12/13 01:16 AM |
| 3 | This is NOT who we are, and this is NOT Okay.Actually, that doesn't justify posting it here. What it does is show that Manboobz can't find useable material among mainstream, long-term men's issues discussion forums, so he had to go outside the movement and pretend a facebook page that isn't even a blip on the MR radar merits attention. It would be great to let feminists throw that at us in debate, because that's something which could easily be torn apart. The same group which repeatedly visits here to claim that the actions and statements … | /r/MensRights | 06/12/13 01:07 AM |
| 12 | This is NOT who we are, and this is NOT Okay.It looks like not very many people noticed two key things about that image. 1) Next to the name of the page, Men Against Misandry - only 175 people out of all of facebook's huge number of users have even liked the page itself, and that number isn't even indicative of approval of the page's contents. In fact, we don't even have any way of knowing if the page has been liked for any reason other than to keep t 2) There are only 5 likes on the post. That's MINISCULE. In putting this here, OP has giv… | /r/MensRights | 05/12/13 05:30 PM |
| 3 | Fantastic gender neutral discussion on rape and how we can more effectively deal with it. Not men's rights or feminist, it's meant for a neutral discussion.Encourage others to trust their instincts when it comes to creepy and inappropriate behaviour. This is ambiguous. On one hand, yes, if you have doubt of someone's motivations, you're not required to trust them. On the other hand, what this section of the blog is saying is that we should never question anyone's accusations of creepiness. That's essentially "believe the accuser in order to make the accuser more comfortable leveling accusations." Where have we seen that concept before? Feminist adv… | /r/MensRights | 05/12/13 12:32 AM |
| 4 | Why I'm not a huge fan of feminism (sort of a rant)You're suffering cognitive dissonance due to the extreme difference between what you've been told feminism is about, and what you've seen of feminism. This is because what established, mainstream feminist activists actually do is nothing like the description of the movement offered by those who advocate adopting feminist ideology. The same movement that claims to be "for equality" has demonized men and infantilized women in order to exploit proxy female victim status for money and power, and lob… | /r/MensRights | 04/12/13 06:09 PM |
| 1 | AskWomen seem to not understand Men's Human Rights concerns (spermjacking)A single drop of jalapeno or any other hot pepper juice would be more than enough. If someone tried to 'harvest' the contents of the condom, she'd be putting an irritant on a mucous membrane. Sheer agony would ensue. | /r/MensRights | 04/12/13 05:36 AM |
| 1 | What does it mean when feminists say men's issues are feminist issues?You're welcome :) | /r/MensRights | 03/12/13 12:34 PM |
| 5 | Can anything be done about SRS's constant downvote brigading?I don't, (I think AMR is the even more irrational little sister of SRS) but it's important to make the distinction as to which area the brigade comes from, and I think it's also important to keep mentioning that there's actually a sub dedicated to brigading this sub, and despite their own assertions about brigading, reddit's admins openly tolerate it. | /r/MensRights | 03/12/13 12:33 PM |
| 3 | This seventeen-year-old MRA is currently being harassed and bullied by a number of feminists on Twitter - leaving him fearful for his safety.See, you're still doing it. "It means what I say it means because it means what I say it means." That's not evidence. That's begging the question. Going on, you didn't just claim that "not all rape is violent" means nothing but "not all rape is violent." You added something: the claim that the statement indicates a belief in a meaningful distinction you have not proved was the basis for that statement. Given that the statement is made in the context of supporting the treatment of a rape that doe… | /r/MensRights | 03/12/13 05:08 AM |
| 3 | This seventeen-year-old MRA is currently being harassed and bullied by a number of feminists on Twitter - leaving him fearful for his safety.That would work if that's what occurred, but it's not. Attempting to characterize the post and comments under discussion in a way that you feel fits your point doesn't change what is actually there. It only makes you look willfully obtuse. It also doesn't excuse you from having to prove that the meaning of the screencapped tweets is as the NTP poster characterized them in her argument, which is your assertion and NTP's assertion. Attempting to dodge that still shows that you can't live up to you… | /r/MensRights | 03/12/13 04:42 AM |
| 11 | Does MensRights believe that a man should be able to escape legal responsibility for a child if he formally requests a woman have an abortion and she elects not to have one?I think that as long as women have the option of safe-haven abandonment, and the option of putting a baby up for adoption, even not having the rest of her plethora of options (various types of abortion, or before that, a full arsenal of birth control options, plus being considered the arbiter of consent in the relationship) she has absolutely no business dragging a man into unwanted parental responsibility, and no moral or ethical right to demand that he pay for her choice to become a custodial … | /r/MensRights | 03/12/13 04:22 AM |
| 3 | This seventeen-year-old MRA is currently being harassed and bullied by a number of feminists on Twitter - leaving him fearful for his safety.Look, it's very simple. The NTP post is an assertion. It's not by its own existence a demonstrated fact. To have the meaning NTP attached to the screencapped comments imposed on it and accepted as their meaning, you have to prove their interpretation is valid. That's the standard you set. You're failing miserably here, floundering under your own pretense. As for claiming I look stupid and childish, you need to take a look at yourself first. You've been denying what's in front of you in order to … | /r/MensRights | 03/12/13 04:03 AM |
| 4 | What does it mean when feminists say men's issues are feminist issues?As long as feminists get away with defining men based on how they can portray men as affecting women, they'll be able to continue to play that victim card for all it's worth. All they have to do is support the perception of women as helpless (or at least less empowered) and men as more empowered, then treat human dysfunction as characteristic of masculinity, and emphasize ways in which women are affected when men exhibit dysfunctional behavior. Treating destructive traits as inherently male trai… | /r/MensRights | 03/12/13 03:52 AM |
| 3 | What does it mean when feminists say men's issues are feminist issues?It's not a lord of the flies reference... it's about breaking down the dogma-tinted filters through which society views gender issues. It's a rose-colored glasses reference. I explained that in more detail in a post titled "Why 'Breaking the Glasses.'" | /r/MensRights | 03/12/13 03:20 AM |
| 3 | This seventeen-year-old MRA is currently being harassed and bullied by a number of feminists on Twitter - leaving him fearful for his safety.You've failed to meet the standard you laid out for yourself. In admitting that it's the presentation that is the starting point of the argument, you've admitted that the burden of proof is on you, not me. Though I've already given you that proof, (and you look like an idiot denying what is in the comments up the thread from yours) it remains there. And yes, if you're going to support NTP's post, you're required to prove that it is valid, because it's the original assertion. You've insinuated me… | /r/MensRights | 03/12/13 03:15 AM |
| 3 | Can anything be done about SRS's constant downvote brigading?Sadly, no, because there's no control over who can or can't vote here, and the admins don't care about brigading unless we do it... and I should also point out it's not likely SRS but againstmensrights brigading the sub. Also, there's a sub for issues like this: /r/mensrightsmeta. Though there's not much they can do about this particular issue, anything meta that you want them to actually see has a better chance of getting their attention in there. | /r/MensRights | 03/12/13 02:44 AM |
| 7 | What does it mean when feminists say men's issues are feminist issues?Click on the word "patriarchy" above, and you'll see what I had to say about that. | /r/MensRights | 02/12/13 05:19 PM |
| 14 | What does it mean when feminists say men's issues are feminist issues?Feminists use the labeling of men's issues as "feminist" issues as a way to surreptitiously blame men's issues on men (under the claim that men's issues are caused by "patriarchy,") in order to create an excuse to bring all focus back to feminist claims about women's issues. In other words, it's a sneaky way to marginalize male suffering. | /r/MensRights | 02/12/13 04:38 PM |
| 2 | Cathy Young - Presidential Medal of Freedom award winner Gloria Steinem Represents the Worst of Modern FeminismI find "the worst of" to be superfluous. Given what modern feminism has actually done, Steinem represents the movement. At least, that is, until that other, "nice" part which does nothing but post in men's rights forums about how "nice" feminism really is because fluffy-bunny-of-femitopia-feminism says so actually steps forward and starts dismantling the legal and social structure that mainstream, established feminism has built over the last several decades. | /r/MensRights | 02/12/13 06:00 AM |
| 3 | This seventeen-year-old MRA is currently being harassed and bullied by a number of feminists on Twitter - leaving him fearful for his safety.I could refer you back to the beginning of the discussion, and you could re-read, and that would satisfy your request to reiterate just as well, but looking through it, not only have I demonstrated my point... you've also demonstrated it, and I believe you know exactly where... so until you can go back and deny your own statements about your belief related to the meaning of what the kid said, you have no business arguing that the "name the problem" presentation doesn't affect the reader's percep… | /r/MensRights | 02/12/13 05:34 AM |
| 2 | HS teacher here, grading a student's paper on Rape Culture.Actually, it's exactly what you've done here, both in your second and third reply to me. Continuing to do it a second time doesn't undo the first. It merely weakens your argument. | /r/MensRights | 02/12/13 05:12 AM |
| 3 | This seventeen-year-old MRA is currently being harassed and bullied by a number of feminists on Twitter - leaving him fearful for his safety.It's not that I haven't proven my case; I've laid it out completely in the above comments. It's that you're so invested in supporting the behavior you've backed that you've ignored the statements to which you didn't want to respond, and based your replies only on limited parts of the discussion... kind of like the NTP post itself. In the context of a discussion on whether kid is guilty of believing in what you manipulatively title "a meaningful distinction between 'violent' and 'non-violent' rap… | /r/MensRights | 01/12/13 02:44 PM |
| 2 | I find it interesting that Feminists claim to want to break down gender roles. Reality says otherwise.You do have a point - there are some who actually are that blatant about it. As to the /s, given the subject I plead a Poe moment. | /r/MensRights | 01/12/13 02:32 PM |
| 2 | HS teacher here, grading a student's paper on Rape Culture.That kind of response is also typical of the trolls who visit this sub - when they cannot come up with a convincing response, they attempt to shift responsibility for their end of the conversation to the commenter answering them. So far, I haven't seen it actually work with anyone. It's kind of surprising to see that method getting employed anyway. | /r/MensRights | 01/12/13 02:29 PM |
| 4 | Having an argument with the wife.This will help explain to her some of the reasons why she's been able to go so long without seeing the prevalence of male rape victims, despite the numbers. | /r/MensRights | 01/12/13 02:26 PM |
| 8 | HS teacher here, grading a student's paper on Rape Culture.I come from a family peppered with school teachers, including both of my parents. I've taught as an adjunct at a local business school. Perhaps if neither of those things were true about me, I might buy "I just threw this together and I think strangers on the internet would be a good resource for grading advice" as an answer to my comment, but instead, your answer just makes you look even more fake. | /r/MensRights | 30/11/13 02:51 AM |
| 2 | This seventeen-year-old MRA is currently being harassed and bullied by a number of feminists on Twitter - leaving him fearful for his safety.No, it's not clear that he thinks there's a meaningful distinction. It's clear that he's saying that lack of damage or violence is not a reason to dismiss a rape as not having been a rape. Your statement about "meaningful distinction" is exactly the kind of twisty shit feminists pull to level "rape apology" accusations against people who clearly do not excuse rape. That post on "Name the problem" is an example of that, presenting "Just because there wasn't physical damage and overt violence does… | /r/MensRights | 30/11/13 02:48 AM |
| 13 | I find it interesting that Feminists claim to want to break down gender roles. Reality says otherwise.Those aren't the gender roles referred to when we talk about feminists not wanting to break down gender roles. It's things like the provider role belonging to the husband and father - that is one feminists won't abandon. Another is the male "role" of being presumed more less susceptible to pain and suffering, and therefore not in need of assistance when the victim of intimate partner and sexual violence. Then there's the "women are better caregivers" role, which they claim to try to break down u… | /r/MensRights | 30/11/13 02:39 AM |
| 24 | HS teacher here, grading a student's paper on Rape Culture.You know, there are some things about this post that have me in doubt of it's genuineness. Generally speaking, when a teacher or professor gives a writing assignment, the assignment has a set of requirements or parameters to which the student is expected to adhere. The subject matter is often irrelevant to these unless one of the criteria is "interesting or compelling topic." Grading generally hinges on whether or not the student met the criteria laid out in the assignment. In other words, an as… | /r/MensRights | 29/11/13 05:17 PM |
| 2 | This seventeen-year-old MRA is currently being harassed and bullied by a number of feminists on Twitter - leaving him fearful for his safety.The context of the rest of the conversation, which defines the meaning of "rape can be non-violent" as "Just because there wasn't physical damage and overt violence doesn't mean it wasn't rape" rather than the interpretation of "rape isn't a violation of the other person if there wasn't overt violence and physical damage" which the portrayal insinuates by singling the statement out for a one-sided discussion. That is enough to convince the uninvolved, who don't have a background of gender issues… | /r/MensRights | 29/11/13 03:38 PM |
| 1 | Beastie Boys being SUED by GoldieBlox after feminist company GoldieBlox uses a modified version of their song "Girls" as a new feminist "anthem"I guess it was a phone call, but I could see that happening and backfiring as spectacularly as this lawsuit of theirs did. | /r/MensRights | 28/11/13 12:49 PM |
| 1 | Beastie Boys being SUED by GoldieBlox after feminist company GoldieBlox uses a modified version of their song "Girls" as a new feminist "anthem"With most lawsuits I've seen, the defendant hasn't done anything wrong. A lot of people sue others for not stopping them from harming themselves with their own stupidity. Looking at the publicity this has received, I think this is pretty much another example of that. | /r/MensRights | 28/11/13 12:48 PM |
| 1 | This seventeen-year-old MRA is currently being harassed and bullied by a number of feminists on Twitter - leaving him fearful for his safety.It doesn't just restate his point and then offer a rebuttal. He is labeled as a guy who "believes in nonviolent rape" - an insinuation that he believes rape itself is not a violent act, which is the first thing many viewers will see, and the only thing that will be seen by some. Further, the site itself is intended to color the view of anyone featured on it, given its name. Its purpose is to create for the reader a negative impression of anyone featured on it. It's a way to create an impression … | /r/MensRights | 28/11/13 12:47 PM |
| 1 | Introducing a male equivalent of the Bechdel testIt's more bullshit than anything - I think your last statement is accurate in a way you probably don't expect. I don't consider either test to have any validity or value. Art imitates life. If feminists want movies to portray women based on their own ideals, they should make movies and try to market them to the public. I think the effort would go bankrupt pretty quickly, but at least they'd be taking some responsibility. | /r/MensRights | 28/11/13 12:36 PM |
| 2 | Beastie Boys being SUED by GoldieBlox after feminist company GoldieBlox uses a modified version of their song "Girls" as a new feminist "anthem"It's hard to tell. The legal use of "frivolous" is not always clear and distinct even if the law on it is, and coverage of copyright law has the same problem... but using a suit as a preemptive strike that isn't in response to an actual threat seems to me like it would open the entity filing it to a counterclaim by the defendant for any expenses incurred defending against it. | /r/MensRights | 26/11/13 06:49 PM |
| 2 | Beastie Boys being SUED by GoldieBlox after feminist company GoldieBlox uses a modified version of their song "Girls" as a new feminist "anthem"That's what I'm wondering about - the two sides simply don't tell the same story. It would be interesting to see the original statement on which GoldiBlox is basing their claim. | /r/MensRights | 26/11/13 06:40 PM |
| 7 | Introducing a male equivalent of the Bechdel testOne thing which strikes me as particularly telling about the Bechdel test: Any movie which contains dialogue and focuses strictly on female experiences unrelated to their interaction with men would pass, but a movie which focuses strictly on male experiences unrelated to their interaction with women would fail. In other words, what is acceptable and encouraged for the goose is apparently a problem for the goose when the subject is the gander. It's not a test of whether or not there's actually an… | /r/MensRights | 26/11/13 06:10 PM |
| 3 | Beastie Boys being SUED by GoldieBlox after feminist company GoldieBlox uses a modified version of their song "Girls" as a new feminist "anthem"One question I have in all of this is whether the Beastie Boys actually did threaten a lawsuit, or as they stated in their open letter, merely asked how the song ended up used in GoldieBlox's advertisement. I've seen all kinds of discussion based on the idea that there was a threat, but no documentation of the alleged threat itself, and I suspect that has some bearing on whether or not GoldieBlox's suit would be considered frivolous, since if there was no direct threat made, they'd be suing for … | /r/MensRights | 26/11/13 06:00 PM |
| 3 | Beastie Boys being SUED by GoldieBlox after feminist company GoldieBlox uses a modified version of their song "Girls" as a new feminist "anthem"Not according to the open letter published in the news, which states that the Beastie Boys "tried to simply ask how and why our song “Girls” had been used in your ad without our permission..." which is a far cry from threatening a lawsuit. The GoldieBlox suit itself, however, does contain two lines asking for money from the defendants: "PRAYER FOR RELIEF" part D An order awarding attorneys’ fees, costs, and expenses incurred in connection withthis action to Plaintiff, and part E An order awardin… | /r/MensRights | 26/11/13 05:30 PM |
| 3 | View: It's time to pass the Equal Rights Amendment-(ERA)That makes me wonder who the group is that she's associating with. I can't imaging a men's group failing to see the ERA as a vehicle to impose feminist interests on private organizations. | /r/MensRights | 26/11/13 02:25 PM |
| 2 | This seventeen-year-old MRA is currently being harassed and bullied by a number of feminists on Twitter - leaving him fearful for his safety.That's not necessarily true either. Not all readers are knee-jerk responding, chip-on-the-shoulder feminists who would take such statements that way without being prompted by the other text on NTP. In adding text to characterize the statements based on their own irrational, emotional response to the original statements, they've misrepresented the nature of the statements and the intent with which they're made, in a deliberate attempt to infer a tolerance for the crime. Attempting to use subtle i… | /r/MensRights | 26/11/13 01:40 PM |
| 2 | Time for another "don't fall for that shit" postYou know, I cut you some slack precisely because you're a well-known and respected character around here. I see now that that was a mistake. That's probably the closest thing to an insult I've ever received on reddit. It smacks of the presumption that I require kid gloves, which is bullshit. I have no tolerance for that attitude from anybody. Yeah, no. The question is a QUESTION, you deluded, paranoid lunatic. Ad hominem is not a rational argument, and has no value in this discussion. I don't kn… | /r/MensRights | 26/11/13 02:52 AM |
| 2 | You won't believe what's going on in L.A with homeless and Dv shelters right now...Yes, it's DV shelters, but given that it is the same type of behavior in that it's action by an established feminist group directed at withholding shelter services from men, which demonstrates that this is something feminists do. Given OP's statement that this is not being covered by media, and the sparse posting activity of the OP account, I don't think we're going to get an answer from him, but I'd be interested to hear a feminist explain why they think it's acceptable for any feminist group t… | /r/MensRights | 26/11/13 02:37 AM |
| 2 | This seventeen-year-old MRA is currently being harassed and bullied by a number of feminists on Twitter - leaving him fearful for his safety.I don't feel anything related to this, as it's not an emotional issue, but I can see that they're attempting to infer marginalization, not because it exists, but because that's what they feel. That is a change of meaning. It's also typical of feminists; to treat one's own emotional response as if it defines the meaning of a statement one does not like to hear. | /r/MensRights | 26/11/13 02:31 AM |
| 2 | Time for another "don't fall for that shit" postNo, I simply disagree with your assessment. | /r/MensRights | 26/11/13 02:26 AM |
| 1 | View: It's time to pass the Equal Rights Amendment-(ERA)Name a legal right men have that women don't. | /r/MensRights | 26/11/13 02:25 AM |
| 3 | View: It's time to pass the Equal Rights Amendment-(ERA)Arguably, no version of the ERA would specifically offer any of the benefits predicted by OP, either. The ERA is redundant in that the constitution is specifically written to limit the powers of the U.S. government. It's not written to dictate the actions or powers of any other entity. The 14th amendment already bars the government from legally discriminating against anyone. Passing another, differently worded amendment forbidding the government from discriminating against anyone would have no p… | /r/MensRights | 26/11/13 02:24 AM |
| 12 | View: It's time to pass the Equal Rights Amendment-(ERA)Complete text of the Equal rights amendment ‘‘ARTICLE — ‘‘SECTION 1. Women shall have equal rights in the United States and every place subject to its jurisdiction. Equality of rights under the law shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex. ‘‘SECTION 2. Congress and the several States shall have the power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article. ‘‘SECTION 3. This amendment shall take effect two years after the date of ra… | /r/MensRights | 25/11/13 01:46 PM |
| 1 | Time for another "don't fall for that shit" postI see no such demands. Perhaps you're imagining them. You know, just because they're after you doesn't mean you're not paranoid. The question itself is the demand; that's clearly explained in the original post. Then apparently they're not trolling me very effectively. From your comments here, it's pretty obvious that they are, because you've stated that you're willing to give them exactly what they're asking for. Sure you're not the concern troll? I mean, okay, I recognize your name and all, but… | /r/MensRights | 25/11/13 01:32 PM |
| 0 | Time for another "don't fall for that shit" postI've gone through that sub every time someone has told me I should be offended by it. It's not that hard to see the intent of their detractors, but as for the sub itself, no, it's not as you present. | /r/MensRights | 25/11/13 01:27 PM |
| 3 | You won't believe what's going on in L.A with homeless and Dv shelters right now...The line "media isn't covering it" should be a hint regarding whether or not that information is going to be readily available. If it's happening, it'll eventually have to come out. As it is, it's entirely believable simply because of the pattern of abuse feminists have shown in relation to domestic violence shelters' handling of abused men. | /r/MensRights | 25/11/13 01:26 PM |
| 2 | This seventeen-year-old MRA is currently being harassed and bullied by a number of feminists on Twitter - leaving him fearful for his safety.Actually, I did - and it's still a misrepresentation, as it represents his point as if it's a marginalization of an issue, rather than a statement that rape isn't always overtly violent. It's typical of feminists to do this, very similar to screencapping "Girl X looks lovely to day" and replying to it with "Commenter thinks girl is unattractive most of the time." Unless you think that insinuating unstated meaning upon an individual's words changes what the original commenter meant when he said i… | /r/MensRights | 25/11/13 01:24 PM |
| 5 | You won't believe what's going on in L.A with homeless and Dv shelters right now...This is from 2004: Appeal from the Order Sustaining the Demurrer to Plaintiff’s First Amended Complaint Without Leave to Amend The Honorable Jon M. Mayeda, Superior Court Case No. BC 297977 Amici have a compelling interest in this case because Appellant seeks to: (1) take away public funding from battered women’s shelters and remove the exemption stated in Government Code § 11139 for lawful programs that benefit women and minorities; and (2) require all women’s domestic violence shelters which r… | /r/MensRights | 24/11/13 07:42 AM |
| 1 | Time for another "don't fall for that shit" postAgain, you're not getting what's going on here. You act as if I'm not reading carefully, but you're arguing against an admonition I did not make. Again, nobody says you have to become a supporter of TRP. Setting up your reply with a chip on your shoulder over the sub isn't helping your argument. It's irrelevant whether you associate with them or not, whether you claim association with them or not, or even what you think of the writing there. It's not a matter of opinion regarding a difference in… | /r/MensRights | 24/11/13 06:45 AM |
| 8 | This seventeen-year-old MRA is currently being harassed and bullied by a number of feminists on Twitter - leaving him fearful for his safety.Doesn't that make you wonder if maybe they're being equally dishonest about many of the other men profiled on that site? | /r/MensRights | 24/11/13 06:04 AM |
| 5 | This seventeen-year-old MRA is currently being harassed and bullied by a number of feminists on Twitter - leaving him fearful for his safety.If they're misrepresenting the nature of those screencaps... for example, claiming that a statement he made that rape can occur without overt violence is support for rapists, when it's not, then yes, that's still slander. | /r/MensRights | 24/11/13 06:03 AM |
| 1 | Time for another "don't fall for that shit" postFeminists in general can't even be honest about what constitutes hatred of women, vs how they use the term "misogynist." The majority of the time I've seen feminists even mention the term, they're using it to decry criticism of female dysfunction, criticism of feminism's anti-male discriminatory activism, or criticism of legal or social discrimination against men. So when they ask this subreddit to apologize for another subreddit, they're not even doing it based on a valid reason, but simply the… | /r/MensRights | 24/11/13 05:27 AM |
| 1 | Lets start a list of all examples of how feminists discrimination against men.You might find an earlier comment set of mine useful in this effort. I don't re-post it much because every time I do, the mods have to approve it, so here is a link to it. For examples of anti-male feminist advocacy, pay special attention to the second comment. I have also addressed the dishonest feminist argument that "patriarchy" causes men's issues and feminism is the solution here. Hope this helps. | /r/MensRights | 24/11/13 05:08 AM |
| -1 | Time for another "don't fall for that shit" postThat's not the issue here. The issue is whether you want to be manipulated like a 13 year old girl into attacking another group out of fear that you won't be liked if you don't. | /r/MensRights | 24/11/13 04:52 AM |
| 1 | Time for another "don't fall for that shit" postYou haven't demonstrated that. It's simply a claim you personally make. That's pretty much meaningless. | /r/MensRights | 24/11/13 04:51 AM |
| 0 | Time for another "don't fall for that shit" postI think you're not getting what's going on here. They're not asking about your beliefs and goals. They're providing a false description/impression of another group, then demanding that you distance yourself or face their disapproval. That's a manipulative effort, not a genuine show of interest. No one is telling you that your beliefs and goals have to be the same; I'm simply admonishing the sub to not be manipulated by dishonest feminist trolls who visit here into forming an unmerited, unproduct… | /r/MensRights | 24/11/13 04:50 AM |
| 0 | Time for another "don't fall for that shit" postThat's a false representation of both the MRM and TRP. The MRM is mostly egalitarian, but not in the way that it's often defined by social justice advocates. TRP is a forum for discussion about the current environment, which is not egalitarian, and how men need to protect themselves in order to survive in it. To acknowledge what the existing social, political, and legal environment has done to normalize female dysfunction is not anti-egalitarian any more than acknowledging that hypothermia can c… | /r/MensRights | 23/11/13 03:14 PM |
| 1 | Time for another "don't fall for that shit" postThe harm in this case is twofold. First, we'd be misrepresenting the nature of the sub we're being ordered by feminists to criticize, based on their misrepresentation of that sub - the same thing they do to AVFM, actually. Second, doing so would be a false representation of the movement, both in that we should and can be shaped by feminist opinion, and in that we all have the same political roots, outlook, and ideology. Neither of those two things are the case. | /r/MensRights | 23/11/13 03:09 PM |
| 1 | Time for another "don't fall for that shit" postBased on what I've seen of that sub, your comments don't make sense - that's why I assumed you were basing your opinion on troll posts... because what you've described isn't what I've seen there. That was indicative of a second-hand opinion. If that's not the case, it still shows the influence of feminist sensibilities, wherein any and all discussion of female dysfunction is viewed as misogyny, especially if that discussion includes criticism of common female dysfunction. | /r/MensRights | 23/11/13 01:58 AM |
| 2 | Time for another "don't fall for that shit" postPretending you don't see what you did, which was to try to enforce your personal assessment of TRP on the men's rights movement, doesn't change the fact that you did it. Nor does pretending there's no difference between discussion in a small forum, and actual damage to society. Repeating yourself won't change that. Bolding the text you think can be singled out to change the meanings of my overall statements doesn't change it either. In order for you to claim that the men's rights movement is res… | /r/MensRights | 23/11/13 01:51 AM |
| 1 | Time for another "don't fall for that shit" postIt's your prerogative to argue your case, but you're not offering anything of substance at all here. "/u/Gallifreyen_type_40 disapproves" isn't a reason for the whole sub to become responsible for condemning another sub's speech. | /r/MensRights | 23/11/13 12:47 AM |
| 1 | Time for another "don't fall for that shit" postWhat you're advocating denouncing is, again, not what they say, but what feminist trolls post here to convince MRAs that red-pillers say. We're not required to cater to the interests of trolls. Catering to their interest is counterproductive - it distracts from any activism this sub could accomplish, and it effectively gives the trolls a level of control over the dialogue that they do not deserve and should not have. | /r/MensRights | 22/11/13 11:02 PM |
| 2 | Time for another "don't fall for that shit" postI'm simply throwing your words right back at you. Actually, no, you haven't. You've made an interpretation of them that you think effectively supports the impression you're trying to make. It doesn't, and I've shown you exactly why. I've made literally zero mention of my feelings or what I believe to be right and good. Again, you're being dishonest. That is the exact nature of your comment - it's entirely about your feelings, and what you believe to be right or good, or to be more specific, your… | /r/MensRights | 22/11/13 10:51 PM |
| 1 | Time for another "don't fall for that shit" postThe thing that really sucks about it is it's not just a modern thing, but a problem that's existed for a long time. It's why political ideologues have been able to shame society into the position we're in now. | /r/MensRights | 22/11/13 10:39 PM |
| 0 | Time for another "don't fall for that shit" postI don't think I would have to so much if there had not been such an effort by trolls to mischaracterize the discussion by misrepresenting and twisting what has been said. The result is actually a demonstration of some of something I've seen discussed in that sub; the natural human aversion to experiencing rejection. Feminist trolls exploit that tendency in order to manipulate people's responses to other people. The hard part in fighting this particular fight is going to be getting enough people … | /r/MensRights | 22/11/13 08:38 PM |
| 0 | Time for another "don't fall for that shit" postDon't confuse acknowledging circumstances and discussing how to handle life within those circumstances for promoting the circumstances themselves. Especially, don't let feminists push you into an unnecessary and unproductive pissing match. Criticizing women is not misogynistic. It's simply criticism. If you feel that what's being said there is incorrect, it's your prerogative to argue your case. It's not your prerogative to decide they don't have the right to say it. | /r/MensRights | 22/11/13 08:25 PM |
| 1 | Time for another "don't fall for that shit" postThere is a huge amount of material we as a group need to address... it's going to be a rough row to hoe, and there are going to be various subgroups more focused on things that affect them personally - for instance, I have a bit of a focus on false accusations, because I've witnessed them being used against people close to me a lot. I think there's value in pointing out the double standard moments when they happen, simply due to the fact that a lot of feminist debaters have tried to minimize per… | /r/MensRights | 22/11/13 08:03 PM |
| 2 | Time for another "don't fall for that shit" postI'm not surprised, but your reasoning is based on the presumption that the activity in question - trolling the sub to manipulatively pit MR against TRP - is a "right" or "good" behavior, based on valid and proven opinion. Since it is not, the comparison does not work. On a side note, I have no disagreement with feminists protesting the use of insulting terms. It's the fact that they protest calling women "fatties," while promoting a woman's use of the term "creep" to describe a man she finds una… | /r/MensRights | 22/11/13 07:00 PM |
| 2 | Time for another "don't fall for that shit" postBe glad of that... but be aware of that style of argument, because you'll see it a lot from reddit feminists and especially from visitors to this sub from againstmensrights. | /r/MensRights | 22/11/13 06:53 PM |
| 0 | Time for another "don't fall for that shit" postAgain with the arrogant, self-serving "If I disagree with you that means you're bad" approach, along with a refusal to acknowledge the difference between actual damage, and your own feelings. Gotcha. The Manboobz twist isn't working for you any more. Try again. | /r/MensRights | 22/11/13 05:48 PM |
| 2 | Time for another "don't fall for that shit" postThey see TRP as an easy target because they can more easily manboobz TRP. For instance... Original statement: Social conditions and the law provide women with the power to, after entering a relationship with you, destroy your life and take everything you have. Therefore, it's necessary for men to defend themselves. Do not give your trust lightly, and do not involve yourself with women who exhibit questionable motives or characteristics. Manboobz interpretation: I hate women! Women are abusers, l… | /r/MensRights | 22/11/13 05:17 PM |
| 3 | Time for another "don't fall for that shit" postI'd say your first point is mostly spot on. Your second point is still off. TRP's goal appears to be individual survival, not advantage. Simply put, it's not that they're after power, but that they're trying to avoid being subject to unchecked abuses by those they must acknowledge are given the power to abuse. | /r/MensRights | 22/11/13 05:12 PM |
| 0 | Time for another "don't fall for that shit" postThe traditional gender roles discussion in the MRM largely revolves around the concept of male disposability, which is a legitimate concern, as it is a reason why people accept the idea of imposing discriminatory conditions on men. The problems with feminist discussion on them are twofold; they've fought to end social acceptance of and adherence to the aspects of the modern perception of traditional gender roles which impede feminist exploitation of proxy female victim status for legal and socia… | /r/MensRights | 22/11/13 05:07 PM |
| 0 | Time for another "don't fall for that shit" postNobody is telling you to be quiet about your opposition to an idea. My point is don't let dishonest trolls push you into an unwarranted, unproductive pissing match, which is what these "what does men's rights think of X" posts are all about. | /r/MensRights | 22/11/13 04:46 PM |
| 2 | Time for another "don't fall for that shit" postThey are relevant, and their opinions are relevant. Our opinion of them is not relevant to their right to exist as a sub, to discuss issues from their perspective and state their opinions, or to label themselves as they see fit. Disagreement with them is one thing; this "there must be a rivalry between the subs" crap is junior high bullshit, and that needs to stop. We're not a bunch of teen girls. We should not act like a bunch of teen girls, and we shouldn't let feminists push us into that ment… | /r/MensRights | 22/11/13 04:34 PM |
| 1 | Time for another "don't fall for that shit" postDon't confuse acknowledging circumstances and discussing how to handle life within those circumstances for promoting the circumstances themselves. | /r/MensRights | 22/11/13 04:15 PM |
| -3 | Time for another "don't fall for that shit" postSince when is "don't let feminists push you into an unwarranted pissing contest" taking over? | /r/MensRights | 22/11/13 04:14 PM |
| 0 | Time for another "don't fall for that shit" postWhen I've looked through writing there, I'm not seeing writing advocating harmful gender roles. I've seen writing that acknowledges that men and women live in an environment in which harmful gender roles are enforced by society, and discussion on how to get through life in that environment. MR discussion is about changing the environment. TRP discussion is about surviving in it. That is not an effort to enforce or uphold the environment, but simple realism and a response designed to minimize its… | /r/MensRights | 22/11/13 04:03 PM |
| 1 | Time for another "don't fall for that shit" postAs MRAs, we need to focus on breaking down the causes of the issues men face and finding ways to effect change. Acknowledging the current state of affairs and discussing ways to survive in the environment men face right now is not the cause of that environment. It also doesn't force any method of adaptation on other men; it simply is one group's approach, and it's their right to take that approach just as much as it's a MGHOW's way to take his approach to it. We do not owe the feminist trolls wh… | /r/MensRights | 22/11/13 04:00 PM |
| 3 | Time for another "don't fall for that shit" postOh, wow... it's one of those "talking about men's issues is bad for men's rights" posts. :/ Looking through the comments, it's obvious that /u/a_personification has been thoroughly exposed as a troll just in the top few, as the first reply he or she left is an attack on a regular poster in the sub. It's the typical divide-and-conquer effort we see from those assholes all the time, and a perfect example of what I'm talking about here. Thanks for the link - adding it to this post. | /r/MensRights | 22/11/13 03:52 PM |
| 0 | Time for another "don't fall for that shit" postIn the context of that conversation, I was talking about mainstream, established, heavily funded feminism - organizations like the National Organization for Women, which successfully lobbied against fathers' rights, and academics like Mary Koss, who successfully persuaded agencies of American federal government to define rape to exclude male victims of female perpetrators... not simply discussion with which I personally disagree, but real-world, real-damage actions. Feminist trolls like stopsayi… | /r/MensRights | 22/11/13 03:40 PM |
| 1 | Time for another "don't fall for that shit" postComparing the actual damage done by feminist lobbying for anti-male discriminatory law with TRP's approach, which is to acknowledge existing problems (which, by the way, are largely caused by *the movement you so vehemently defend) and discussing what amounts to a survival response (this is how things are; this is how to defend yourself against being harmed by it) is not just dishonest, but also arrogant and self-serving. The proper translation for your statement here is "Since you said feminist… | /r/MensRights | 22/11/13 03:31 PM |
| 5 | Time for another "don't fall for that shit" postAs I said to another commenter, reading the actual posts in TRP doesn't provide evidence to back up your comment. The example above you is accurate. What you've provided is not the proper example, but exactly the same kind of twisting and misrepresentation one sees put out there by Manboobz. | /r/MensRights | 22/11/13 03:21 PM |
| 1 | Time for another "don't fall for that shit" postI missed the "do you want me" post. That sounds almost comical, and sadly desperate. Personally, I'd like to see more people respond to concern troll posts by commenting "this is not a men's rights issue" and hitting the report button. It would certainly be fitting. | /r/MensRights | 22/11/13 05:28 AM |
| 2 | Time for another "don't fall for that shit" postThat's going to happen no matter what... same as any opposites in a spectrum of political beliefs. | /r/MensRights | 22/11/13 05:25 AM |
| 7 | Do most Men's Rights activists support The Red Pill?That's awful... I wish you guys lots of luck. It's horrible to go through years of symptoms without a diagnosis. I've seen that with my mother, too. You get to the point where you just want something definitive, so you can do something instead of wondering, even if "something" isn't going to bring dramatic change. With the gender-issues situation, it's going to take a huge effort to get everyone to see what's going on. There are a lot of people who would rather not have their existing outlook ch… | /r/MensRights | 22/11/13 05:09 AM |
| 5 | Time for another "don't fall for that shit" postI think there's some overlap of subscribers and commenters, but the perspective of the discussions differs between the two. | /r/MensRights | 22/11/13 05:01 AM |
| 0 | Time for another "don't fall for that shit" postWhat I've read of the sub doesn't match your description. | /r/MensRights | 22/11/13 04:55 AM |
| 4 | Time for another "don't fall for that shit" postI don't even think it's necessary to distance ourselves from them. I think the fact that concern trolls are here trying to make us feel compelled to do so is good enough reason to avoid making any type of judgement or disclaimer. | /r/MensRights | 22/11/13 04:55 AM |
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