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Odd, I've yet to meet these men. It has always struck me as one of those RP mandates.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/18 03:31 PM
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This claim is... lacking in evidence. One would want to make some rather specific research on this, before stating it with any degree of confidence. Hopefully research on both genders.
/r/MensRights24/05/18 06:43 AM
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Ah, I honestly think that's far better. It is also interesting to compare and contrast the representation between /r/askfeminists and /r/feminism.
/r/MensRights07/05/18 08:53 AM
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Whops, one of them was supposed to be /r/feminisms
/r/MensRights07/05/18 08:42 AM
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This is trash. While I am of the opinion that a large number of feminists do have problems with masculinity, this juxtaposition has no really useful information. If you were to start it off at something of a right foot, I'd check /r/feminism, /r/feminism, or /r/menslib, at least they're not "ask feminists," that is, oriented towards questions being asked of feminists.
/r/MensRights04/05/18 02:48 PM
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For some bitter men, this is no doubt the case. How large do you imagine this coverage is, of the total amount of men bitter with rejection?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/18 08:56 AM
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This seems worthy of engagement. Could you specify further, what you'd want changed?
/r/MensRights20/04/18 12:30 PM
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I think they distribute those in pills nowadays. Don't quote me on that though, I'm not a doctor.
/r/AntiFeminists06/04/18 09:06 PM
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I think comparison feminism in order to display the contrasts is useful here. The MRM, as far as I've seen, doesn't really (often) do the whole full fledged members vs "allies" bit that has been popping up. Nor does it really seclude itself in sub-sects where every person pretends that their MRAness is the one true way of being a men's advocate. It's important to notice and acknowledge that some people in the MRM are angry, some understandably so, some less understandably. We need to be able to …
/r/MensRights04/04/18 12:23 PM
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Might want to get back on the prescription drugs.
/r/AntiFeminists04/04/18 11:14 AM
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I should note, I don't think your gender merits calling it an invasion of the thread. Women are welcome and important in the MRM, just as much as the men. At least that is my opinion, and I think it errs close to the main stream. The few posts I've seen about this shooting have however been... anti-women for some reason. I can guess at why. It's people lashing out in anger. They've probably seen and felt attacked by the litany of "men are bad" type articles around other shootings, and figure tha…
/r/MensRights04/04/18 09:46 AM
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I guess what I'm asking is why not try and work with the feminist movement? I'd have some questions: What kind of cooperation are you proposing here?
/r/MensRights26/03/18 01:49 PM
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I guess I'm not convinced that most people have swallowed the more extreme feminist dogma completely. Or that law enforcement is completely at the beck and call of anyone. Of course, I may be misreading what you mean by beck and call.
/r/MensRights01/11/17 10:36 PM
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I may be overly cautious myself here. I've recently been looking into feminist fear mongering, and I'd absolutely have a preference for not seeing that infecting the MRM to a considerable extent. Though there are places where caution is reasonable. Take for example the utterly one sided approach of Nottinghamshire to regard misogyny as a hate crime. Not sexism, misogyny.
/r/MensRights31/10/17 10:26 PM
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paranoid delusions.
/r/MensRights31/10/17 10:21 PM
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Are you not reading your own proof? Come on man. Investigators looked into the four sexual assaults and rape claims and found “common discrepancies.” Beale was arrested in June 2014. Four cases. A British woman dubbed an “attention-seeking” liar for falsely accusing 15 men of rape and sexual assault during four separate encounters was sentenced Thursday to 10 years in prison. Four separate encounters. But that settles it though. You obviously have nothing but fear to provide.
/r/MensRights31/10/17 10:20 PM
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But maybe you should be a bit cautious. Caution is reasonable when warranted, of course. Though I would say I see a distinct difference between being cautious and terrified. People take out insurance policies to cover unlikely but severe situations. Are you suggesting they don't do that? I'd say that insurance policies are attempts to widen what we can control. I approve of having contingency plans.
/r/MensRights31/10/17 10:05 PM
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I care so little in fact, that I would rather not see men indoctrinated with and succumb to paranoid delusions.
/r/MensRights31/10/17 09:50 PM
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Four cases, 15 accused. To add to this, we're literally talking about someone who were charged, tried, and sentenced, after it was revealed. This is like bringing up Fritzl as an argument that rape faces "near zero legal enforcement." After all, he raped a woman for years without ever being punished.
/r/MensRights31/10/17 09:44 PM
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No, they don't. Do guns not exist over there? Or are you invulnerable to anything but cops? Translation: Sorry, I can't really refute anything you say, so I'm going to dismiss you and pretend to have the superior argument. You have yet to show that false accusations are prevalent enough to merit fear. You also have yet to show that false rape accusations have near zero legal enforcement. Your positives, please, prove your extraordinary claims.
/r/MensRights31/10/17 02:58 PM
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I'd need you to show how what you're doing is anything but abusive fear mongering.
/r/MensRights31/10/17 02:54 PM
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Yes, I fear being near people who have the power to end my life. That seems like a no brainer. Pretty much anyone has the power to end you life. Being afraid of everyone to such a degree is an illness. Sorry, I can't really take you seriously here, it seems your fear is ruled by extreme examples and uncertainty. To try and provide some context, I recently saw this and found all too many parallels in men expressing fear to be men. You've told me yourself that you have no idea how rare or common i…
/r/MensRights31/10/17 02:52 PM
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There is no way to protect you, or to know what actions will get you accused. I just have to, because it just seems so extremely familiar. There is no way to protect you, or to know what actions will get you raped.
/r/MensRights31/10/17 02:39 PM
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Sure. Is it wrong to fear people who are given the power to destroy your life for whatever reason, or no reason at all? If such an event is an utter rarity. Yes. If men were legally allowed to rape any woman they wanted, any time they wanted, would women be afraid of men... even if most men didn't and wouldn't rape them? You see that this is the reality that feminists perceive, right? I'd say that your apparent hysteria regarding false accusation is pretty much exactly as well founded as feminis…
/r/MensRights31/10/17 02:29 PM
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I'd like a direct answer here: "Do you fear walking within two meters of women in public?"
/r/MensRights31/10/17 02:19 PM
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Do you fear walking within two meters of women in public?
/r/MensRights31/10/17 02:14 PM
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Don't be terrified. That's just grasping for the victim mentality, practically mimicking feminist lines of thought. Control what can be controlled, the rest comes as it comes.
/r/MensRights31/10/17 12:50 PM
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While I disagree with insults or character attacks, I'm not of the opinion that "stay out of my sexual harassment awareness campaign" is a reasonable sentiment. I'd say that men sharing their experiences is a positive thing for such a politimeme, as it adds to mentions, and positive to awareness raising for male victims, as it piggybacks on a more popular demographic of victims.
/r/MensRights17/10/17 10:57 PM
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Holy shitpost Batman! I generally regard this place as a retard slapfight with some good discussion sprinkled in, but this has to be the second worst thing I've seen today.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/17 03:45 PM
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Of course. That's why we use condoms, or go for women who's using hormonal contraception. LPS isn't an alternative to contraception, it's a possible out if you're in the middle of shit creek. Unless you're of the belief that someone not wanting to be stuck as a parent when they're young, means they have to give up having kids at all?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/17 08:54 AM
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That's how it exists now but you seem to think it's unfair. I'm completely on board with the risk of a possible pregnancy. That's not the risk men have to agree to though. It's the fairest way to handle LPS so that men have some inkling of responsibility for the consequences of the sex they have. I disagree that this is a fair way of handling it. I'd say an equivalent would have to be giving a woman a paper to sign where she promises to (or not to) have an abortion in the case of a pregnancy. Yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/17 08:51 AM
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Abortion and adoption are more consequential, though still leave the same result (non-parenthood). As unfortunate as it is, we don't master biology yet. The thing you need permission for pre-sex is sex, the thing you agree to is the risk of pregnancy. There is no need to handle a non-existing pregnancy (though I would understand those who felt the need to). It strikes me as filling out a damage report before every car ride in order for the insurance to cover it. Legally requiring people to accur…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/17 08:09 PM
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It seems you've made some assumptions about what I'm proposing that may put it in a rather unfavorable light. There would surely be some kinks to work out, though I don't think you'd be right in asserting that it would be the reverse of what happens now (given that my suggestion offers LPS to both genders, and women would keep the right to abortion and adoption).
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/17 07:55 PM
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I think my way is more knowingly. Yes, your way is also way more of a legal hassle though. Seeing that a minority of encounters would require such decisions. People are already signing sperm donor contracts (with mixed results), I'm not looking for standardized sperm donor contracts. Plus, under a pre-sex opt out policy, she can decide not to have sex with a man who would opt out. Under a post-sex opt out policy, she can decide not to have sex with a man that poses an unacceptable uncertainty. O…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/17 06:33 PM
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That's fair. Though I'm arguing in favor of legally recognized reproductive rights. In the vast majority of cases, these rights are given to women through biology and legal convenience. I'm not trying to argue that the legal system hates men, and thus forces them to pay for kids, that's not relevant to what I want to achieve.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/17 06:05 PM
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I'd offer the fairest way to be opting out post discovering pregnancy, but a reasonable time before an abortion deadline. That way, everyone would still go into it knowingly. In this case, the knowledge would be that he'd be free to leave. A legal document should exist for sticklers of course. In case a woman wanted to ensure support in an eventual pregnancy. You get what I'm saying? I do think we can make parental rights and responsibilities opt-in for women as well. Though in such a case, a ch…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/17 05:49 PM
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Another argument in favor of opt-out. Which you will see is the option I prefer. Though I do believe we have the capacity of making it legally opt-in for women as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/17 05:30 PM
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I don't think this is particularly "fair" for men, but I think that's the nature of biology as is. I think that if we went with the nature of biology, we'd look at a worse system for women than what I'm proposing in LPS. I'll skip the celebrity stuff here, sorry to do so, but I'm not too familiar with the case. I'm not against parental renouncement, but part of me isn't sold that abortion isn't traumatic. Idk. That's my moral side shining brightly. I'm not sure what you're saying here. At least …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/17 05:29 PM
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I'm proposing that in an opt-in system, the mother shouldn't have the power to unilaterally deny parental rights to a bio-dad. I wouldn't want to see an opt-in and opt-out system at the same time. And I honestly think that the opt-out system would be able to overcome some initial installation quirks that the opt-in system will have greater difficulty with.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/17 05:24 PM
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Men are not free to terminate a pregnancy in an LPS environment. In my view, neither should women be denied LPS opportunities. Which would mean, greater freedom for women, still.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/17 04:33 PM
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Ah, I see there may have been a misunderstanding. I was arguing "opt-in with a proven genetic link with the child," given a case where a mother was unwilling to acknowledge the father and share parental rights with him.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/17 04:30 PM
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I.e. opt-in with the consent of the mother. Or proven genetic link with the child.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/17 02:44 PM
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Are you a fan of forcing people to take responsibility for choices they never got to make?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/17 02:43 PM
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While I'm all for male contraception, I'm not sure I'd want to take responsibility for kids I never wanted. Seems like an unrelated point.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/17 02:42 PM
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true fairness Like a greater amount of freedom going hand in hand with greater responsibilities?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/17 02:36 PM
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Yes, consented to the possibility of having to deal with a pregnancy. I'd be happy to throw in one abortion worth of money into the pot if that happened. I take it we're both pro-abortion and agree that consent to sex is not consent to parenthood for either party?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/17 02:34 PM
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Did you not catch the context of that statement?
/r/MensRights28/08/17 08:21 AM
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Yup.
/r/MensRights20/08/17 08:31 PM
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I know it can be shit, especially when you feel you're not heard, but I honestly wouldn't be here if I didn't think I could change something in the long term. In a functioning system, good ideas do slow work, but ultimately better work than fast and radical changes.
/r/MensRights19/08/17 01:15 PM
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I'd recommend contacting the department for child protection and family support if you live in Australia and are concerned about this. I went ahead and got the link. Remember to be polite, your activism will reflect back on the MRM (though probably only if you do it poorly).
/r/MensRights18/08/17 03:58 PM
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Good job /u/WhyDoBirdsAppear, you touched the lives of thousands of misters in a positive way!
/r/MensRights18/08/17 09:58 AM
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It's assumed that she gives up her goals in pursuit of his. This is the bit I'm kind of questioning. Do people not have raising kids as their highest goal? Is there really all that many people who have "working 40 hours a week for my entire adult life" as a life goal? Men are more open to an arrangement where the woman is only focused on him and his needs and he benefits more. This is the bit where I fall off. It seems to me that taking on higher stress, and focusing on a career path is a thing …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/17 11:37 AM
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A bit of a question here, do forgive me if you've put down a reason for this in the comment. Why would the stay at home parent be the one to provide the most happiness to their partner? Additionally, wouldn't this depend on the kind of job the working partner has to take in order to provide for the family? Personally at least, I'd rather stay at home, or have both of us working.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/17 02:17 PM
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I'd go for the precision. I dislike putting words into people's mouth. Why not just go for "why?"
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/17 01:13 PM
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I mean, if the claim is "I'm being paid less than my male coworker because of the wage gap." Go fer it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/17 12:44 PM
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Wow, that's quite harsh, I haven't even started killing the buzz yet.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/17 12:43 PM
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Oh yes, I wasn't as much stating disagreement as I was extrapolating on the point for clarity. I'm happy we're in agreement.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/17 12:43 PM
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I do think it might at least warrant looking into at that point, though sexism wouldn't be a given in my view. I'm earning more than a coworker who should rightly earn more than me. We're both straight white males in our twenties, I can't really say what ism entered the field. What I can say is that I argued harder for an increase in pay, while he accepted the offer he got. I'm not saying sexism couldn't happen, just painting a picture of situations where sexism might be assumed without being ri…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/17 11:20 AM
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What about a woman who earns less because she doesn't negotiate as hard for her salary? At that point, we're talking about an individual who pretty neatly fits into the average. I don't like individual salary negotiation as a principle, though I'll admit it's the reason that I'm earning more money than my coworker who has worked for the company longer, has a better education, and better output. Though I think the fix seems rather simple at that point, tell the individual woman who doesn't negoti…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/17 11:14 AM
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Well, I work at a software development company, I'm not particularly at risk. But it would be less than reasonable of me if I started ignoring that men make up the vast majority of workers in fields with high death rates. While I think there are things to be said for work safety guidelines and the repercussions of an employer breaking them, I don't think we should start electrocuting office jobs.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/17 11:12 AM
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Nitpick, but wouldn't booze be a chemical technique, rather than psychological?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/17 10:13 AM
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When talking about group tendencies, especially on the subject of differences in average, that may be used as evidence for sexism/racism. As in: "Women are paid 23% less just for being women." "Women tend to choose lower paying fields, differences in men and women's choices is a massive factor in that number." "But I'm a woman, and I work in stem, I never took a day off, and work 80 hours a week." While the individual woman doesn't belong in the middle of the bell curve, the claim isn't about th…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/17 10:09 AM
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While I agree that holding the double standard is quite dumb, I'm not sure that there is any real real purpose in calling the author a little boy, and pretending to read minds.
/r/MensRights07/06/17 01:34 PM
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I can understand being tired of coming in here and being called a bigot. I'd probably be tired of the opposite, if I wasn't banned from most feminist subreddits for having posted here (and from one for a legit reason, it was a bad time for a rape joke). Now, I'll probably be a bit harsh here, but try to keep in mind that I'm not going after you as a person, you have already gained a big plus for being in a place you obviously disagree vehemently with on certain viewpoints. Because people being d…
/r/MensRights01/06/17 09:56 PM
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I'd pretty much agree with you there, but I think that there's a point here that isn't about whether or not this is the right place to say "you can't post this." To me it looks more like saying that they're not hypocrites. I personally have more respect for someone if they simply have a different opinion, than if they hold men and women to blatantly different standards.
/r/MensRights01/06/17 02:15 PM
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This is a rather interesting take on it. I was going to say something about me not knowing that movieweb have called themselves feminists. Though I do think your analogy is somewhat flawed. When it comes to TRP and the MRM, they're pretty much separate entities, and identify as such, when it comes to feminists and "feminists" they operate under the same label, and proclaim that they further the same cause. I'd like to discuss your grievances with the post though, it seems an interesting thing to…
/r/MensRights01/06/17 02:13 PM
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I would say there's a difference here. We're looking at community rules. If a select subreddit doesn't want "ayy nice butt" to be in the comment section, they're completely allowed to make a spot that suits their sensibilities. I would think less of them if they approached it with dishonesty, or pretended to be all about discussion.
/r/MensRights01/06/17 01:53 PM
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Thanks a bunch, with the DOI I should be able to access it.
/r/MensRights30/05/17 07:49 AM
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This is quite interesting. Thanks a bunch, did you have a link for the study as well, it would save me a bit of searching.
/r/MensRights29/05/17 06:17 PM
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I only really know about the one, and there are some methodological concerns of note there, mainly that it lacks a representative sample from each country.
/r/MensRights29/05/17 05:02 PM
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Kids are often taught they can achieve everything, though I think there's a great difference between being told that you can do everything, and learning to do anything.
/r/MensRights29/05/17 04:57 PM
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Oh yes, I'd agree with you there, the culprit of human evolution is one I'm less equipped to deal with though. I do think teaching helplessness to an individual is bad for both themselves, and the people around them, though I accept that even if we as a culture stopped teaching it, there would probably be differences in averages of perceived agency between men and women.
/r/MensRights29/05/17 04:22 PM
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I think that is part of the influence that teaches helplessness. Though I'd go for traditionalism as the main culprit, traditional mainstream society strikes me as more present in most people's lives than feminism is. Although there are those who live and breathe feminism.
/r/MensRights29/05/17 02:35 PM
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Women, overall, as a group? I don't think I could point to a thing that all women would need to improve within themselves. Though I do think there's a general trend towards learned helplessness that should be handled. It touches upon the whole hyperagency vs hypoagency debate. I am of the belief that women are generally not seen as active agents, and I do think there is a certain amount of women who will use this as an excuse.
/r/MensRights29/05/17 02:04 PM
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This is kind of a retarded measure to have to take against being forced to become a parent. I'd still want to legally enable LPS.
/r/MensRights29/05/17 08:53 AM
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You what now? This is why you can't trust female bosses--they only look out for other women, never for the men they lead. You may be talking with more hyperbole than you might have intended?
/r/MensRights27/05/17 11:49 PM
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Ah, interesting. In that case, I'd say that the movie is little more than a starting point. As for writing regarding this, dakru's reference book is quite a nice resource. I'm not sure there is an ultimate reference for oppression for either men's or women's issues. A lot of issues would necessarily be disagreed upon if they even exist or matter. Though if you wish to continue research and discuss your interpretations those findings, I'd recommend /r/FEMRADebates.
/r/MensRights26/05/17 11:39 PM
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Ah, I would guess it's probably not neatly compiled then. Was there anything in particular you were looking for?
/r/MensRights26/05/17 10:24 PM
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I've had my experiences painted by rather casual feminists out in the real world, they've often been open to listen. I'd say it depends on whether people tie their identity more to feminism or to equality, and how into feminism they are. Though I'd agree that we should always argue, can't improve on ideas otherwise. Or throw out the bad ones.
/r/MensRights26/05/17 07:38 PM
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Thanks, I've got my own brand of masculinity, but if I run out, I'll consider buying yours.
/r/MensRights26/05/17 06:46 PM
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I think there's a difference between arguing and outright open hostility. I love arguing my point of view, though some times I've seen the attitude of "well you're probably a feminist, can't be reasoned with" or "typical feminist tactics" as ways of avoiding discussion rather than engaging in it. Add to that the sheer weight "but think about the women" has as a sentiment, and the authority a vagina gets you in the gender debate, I think I see how it can be a daunting task.
/r/MensRights26/05/17 06:44 PM
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Have you looked through http://theredpillmovie.com/ ? They might have what you're looking for there. Otherwise, if there's something specific you're looking into, it should be possible to ask here. Personally, I found the look into the issues very superficial, so I'd recommend looking into it yourself if something seems interesting.
/r/MensRights26/05/17 06:38 PM
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That's applying your agency for approval though. Men and women both do it. Paying for dinner doesn't take your agency away, even if you do it because it is the social norm. You've weighed the options, and opted for conformity.
/r/MensRights26/05/17 06:31 PM
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That's certainly an annoying attitude. Hard to know whether it's feminist or traditionalist attitude, which tickles my funny bone. Sidenote: I feel like mentioning that the incident in and of itself is a rather minor one, like, I'll roll my eyes, but I won't get in a march for it.
/r/MensRights26/05/17 01:24 PM
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I think there is some measure of societal pressure that affects a certain amount of people, but I think it is near impossible to separate it from natural bias. There are some processes that exist, and I would say they are unfortunate. My primary example would probably be the "real man" trope. Pretty much saying that someone is not to their liking if they partake, or don't partake in a certain activity. Though I'd say we should go for the processes used in societal pressure here, rather than targ…
/r/MensRights26/05/17 01:02 PM
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The "Societal pressure" argument is bullshit. It implies women have reduced agency; that they have diminished decision making capability due to their gender. Ehhh. I'm not too sure that this follows. It would say that society affects men and women differently. I wouldn't say that this is by necessity bad, or that it is good. But I wouldn't exclude the possibility that a significant amount of people are affected by their peers. I think we can agree that there is a certain amount of enforcement of…
/r/MensRights26/05/17 12:54 PM
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To begin with, you've changed the scene in your mind, but not in theirs. From that point on, there will be an unaddressed divergence in not only definitions, but also how one views the situations.
/r/MensRights24/05/17 02:40 PM
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That's an acceptable contention. Though in the principle of emotional insults, they both serve the purpose of devaluing the recipient through moral judgement.
/r/MensRights24/05/17 12:34 PM
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That's acceptable. I'd also suggest that you are a bit forgiving when people lash out emotionally. It's a rather normal reaction to being relentlessly called something you don't think you are.
/r/MensRights24/05/17 12:30 PM
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Equivalent: Being essentially equal, all things considered Ballpark: Slang The approximately proper range, as of possibilities or alternatives. As I clarified, the way I used level, was in the way one can use ballpark.
/r/MensRights24/05/17 12:26 PM
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I think this is part of why we should be careful with attributing to malice what can be attributed to ignorance. It seems that this builds on a misunderstanding. If you are interested in debates, I'd suggest a more neutral choice of words when talking to those you disagree with. I'm happy with calling abortion murder, and still defend it, but a lot of people will read hostility from the words you choose.
/r/MensRights24/05/17 12:17 PM
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I call you a cock, you call me a dick, we are on the same level, and we are using equivalent insults. I call you a dick, and you say you fucked my mom, we are on the same level, but we are not using equivalent insults. I call you a dick, and you kick me in the groin, we are not on the same level. Or would you prefer the sports context? If we both play for different teams in the NFC, we are on the same level. If you play for the Giants, and I play for some college team, we are on a different leve…
/r/MensRights24/05/17 12:14 PM
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I appreciate that we can come to that conclusion.
/r/MensRights24/05/17 12:08 PM
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it was HmmWhatsThat's charge that abortion was akin to an 'easy, breezy Sunday afternoon' that bothered be. This seems to show a misunderstanding, compared to what you were saying.
/r/MensRights24/05/17 12:06 PM
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I don't need to. I've clarified what I meant, you have yet to address that.
/r/MensRights24/05/17 11:57 AM
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Nope, I don't care about them. If the state wants to take care of extra fetuses, I'm all for letting them do it. But this is something that isn't important enough for me to fight for.
/r/MensRights24/05/17 11:54 AM
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Sure. I'll start with the context. I have 2500 XP, you have 1500, we are on the same level, but our XP is not equivalent. I have 2500 XP, you have 2500 XP, our XP is equivalent. I call you a cock, you call me a dick, we are on the same level, and we are using equivalent insults. I call you a dick, and you say you fucked my mom, we are on the same level, but we are not using equivalent insults. I call you a dick, and you kick me in the groin, we are not on the same level.
/r/MensRights24/05/17 11:44 AM
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You're aware that as soon as the egg has been fertilized the embryo can be brought to term with medical help outside the woman's body? As in an artificial womb for humans? I'd have to see the evidence of that. And at that moment, I'd be for medical procedures that extract the fetus, and waive all legal rights and responsibilities for the mother. Plus it could inform fathers who might want legal as well as biological paternity.
/r/MensRights24/05/17 11:36 AM
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Ah, I think HmmWhat wasn't really saying that it was easy. I'll provide some context with my interpretation: Even giving a child up for adoption is a haunting and wrenching experience that most women cannot bear the thought of And yet having that same child cut into pieces and having his mutilated body vacuumed out of her body is somehow an easy, breezy Sunday afternoon? Seems to me that HmmWhat was saying that there is a certain ethical conundrum when it regards abortion that would possibly mak…
/r/MensRights24/05/17 11:34 AM
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same level, same ballpark, principally similar. Equivalent - essentially the same.
/r/MensRights24/05/17 11:29 AM
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With, sure. At the moment, I believe 22 weeks is the best approximate I've heard.
/r/MensRights24/05/17 11:22 AM
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Killers are human. Murderers are human. I in no way don't consider murderers to be human, even those who murder for the most horrible of reasons. Yes, that's why I said "same level" rather than "equivalent". You're right that MGM is mutilation, and if someone told you that you don't deserve for women to start (not continue, but start, mind you) to see you as human due to your views, would that be a fair way for them to counter your defense of mutilation of boys? I opened the can of emotional arg…
/r/MensRights24/05/17 11:21 AM
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Up to the point where the fetus can survive on its own outside the host body. At which point, induced premature birth should be fine, and we can let medical staff take care of the rest. Assuming the state wants to raise babies.
/r/MensRights24/05/17 10:23 AM
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I see calling people killers as roughly equivalent to saying people don't deserve to be seen as human. Certainly on the same level. Remember you're talking to people who don't necessarily consider themselves killers. I routinely call MGM mutilation, and assert that people who support it, support mutilation. But I also remember that this is an inflammatory line of reasoning, and won't pretend this was a purely "rational disagreement," I started the emotional argument after all. As did you.
/r/MensRights24/05/17 10:09 AM
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When is someone human, or when is it okay to perform an abortion? I've got different timelines there. I don't consider babies human early on, though I don't consider it okay to kill them either. Though I don't think you need be human in order to deserve not being killed.
/r/MensRights24/05/17 10:01 AM
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Yeah, Milky was a bit of a dick when saying that you don't deserve to be seen as human. And you were a bit of a dick when going on a page long rant calling her a murderer. They were answering an insult with an insult. Maybe if you stop spitting in people's face, they will stop spitting back.
/r/MensRights24/05/17 09:56 AM
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I'd say the consequences of being cut into pieces and vacuumed out of your mother's womb are pretty significant. Maybe if you were sapient. So we should kill all poor people because they have less advantages by your reasoning. If they're incapable of thought, sure. Pull the plug on grandpa, shoot your zombie son, all that jazz. How about kids diagnosed with Autism Spectrum Disorders or Downs syndrome? If we could diagnose them before birth? I'd go for the industrial strength vacuum. So now we sh…
/r/MensRights24/05/17 09:52 AM
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Apparently to discuss abortion, to be certain. I'm pro abortion. You're free to call it murder, and I like to keep the freedoms for people to perform it at their convenience. Whether or not it's a difficult choice.
/r/MensRights24/05/17 09:40 AM
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Thanks for the reply. I do think it's important that we police ourselves. Hell, I think it's more important than it is for us to police ideological opponents.
/r/MensRights23/05/17 11:16 AM
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Loads of people have a bunch of ideological bias, it happens just as much here as it happens in feminist subreddits. It's just that we appear to have a low acceptance of mods doing it.
/r/MensRights23/05/17 11:14 AM
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I'd suggest looking into gender disparities in sentencing. https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2144002
/r/MensRights20/05/17 09:58 AM
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Just to be the stick in the mud. Do you have any indication that it's getting worse? Or just recent examples of what you mean is transgressions? I mean links.
/r/MensRights20/05/17 09:56 AM
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Though I don't think individual women who act bad should be the concern of the MRM. We should be fine focusing on the systems that infringe or weaken men's rights. I do see the benefits of having a nice rage now and then, though I personally don't think mixing advocacy and rage is very good.
/r/MensRights20/05/17 09:54 AM
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This, again. Seems a bit overzealous.
/r/MensRights19/05/17 11:32 PM
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Completely true, I'd put that up as a special rule, but you're right in asserting it.
/r/MensRights19/05/17 07:34 PM
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Or whatever category you're in. Though I wouldn't view a divorce as a necessary breach of trust. I'm not sure statistics can be meaningfully applied to my own life, and personally I take shots with people if I think the activity is worth the risk.
/r/MensRights19/05/17 04:05 PM
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That's also a way to handle the risk. I would say that doing it with someone you already trust immensely is highly recommended, should you want to do it. Though even then one has to recognize the risks.
/r/MensRights19/05/17 01:34 PM
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I think moderator deletion and downvotes are very different, but I do agree that we should explain to people that they're wrong.
/r/MensRights19/05/17 01:09 PM
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Wait, do you care to expand on this a bit? I'd love to walk through the logic here. Let's say we've got a hundred rape accusations, how many will be provably false, and how many will be provably true?
/r/MensRights19/05/17 01:06 PM
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Completely true and valid logic. While it is a nice (maybe even true) anecdote, it doesn't really answer the question to any meaningful extent.
/r/MensRights19/05/17 12:44 PM
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Become non-binary. Don't change a thing except your legal status. Problem solved. That is, if it's as easy in the US as it was in Canada.
/r/MensRights19/05/17 12:20 PM
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That's very true. I think it could be tangentially related, though I'd say it mostly focuses on the risk of false accusation if you were to push through a false negative (if we assumed it's possible to know for sure that something is a false negative). The story didn't have a false negative though, it was just pushing the false accusation button, irrespective of the question posed.
/r/MensRights19/05/17 12:13 PM
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Pretty much, yes. Covering all bases when we're discussing the question of "if a girl tells me to stop, should I." The anecdote was a nice caution, but I think there's more to add.
/r/MensRights19/05/17 11:11 AM
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When it comes to false negatives, I do think that there's a bunch of people (read, both men and women) who aren't aware of (or don't agree with) how bullshit it is. I had no more wish to "teach consent," than I have to "teach bodily autonomy" when I express how I think babies shouldn't have their genitals mutilated. OK, we all agree rape is bad and no one should do it. Happy? Not necessarily. Do you also agree that token resistance is bullshit and shouldn't be rewarded with increased sexual inte…
/r/MensRights19/05/17 11:07 AM
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I'm not quite sure how you arrived at that conclusion. I liked the answer of the guy, but I thought I could expand on it. I'll be a feminist if you want me to though, or do you have some control questions before you decide to lock into tribalism mode?
/r/MensRights19/05/17 08:49 AM
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Rompers? I'm not sure what you want to discuss here.
/r/MensRights19/05/17 08:44 AM
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Like, first of all. Someone tells you to stop, stop. Secondly, if you know they're playing, stop. Fuck playing games where consent becomes a gray area. Thirdly, for your own fucking sake, stop! Disclaimer: In the case of BDSM, with agreed upon safe words (or traffic light system), "stop" is often a go-ahead. In such a case, go with the agreed upon communication, and stick with it. Oh, and don't physically hinder someone from giving the sign, that's important too.
/r/MensRights19/05/17 08:43 AM
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It really sounds like you did. A knee-length skirt with deep pleats, usually of a tartan wool, worn as part of the dress for men in the Scottish Highlands. A similar skirt worn by women, girls, and boys. That was for kilt The part of a garment, such as a dress or coat, that hangs freely from the waist down. A garment hanging from the waist and worn especially by women and girls. A part or attachment resembling the skirt of a garment, especially: a. One of the leather flaps hanging from the side …
/r/MensRights16/05/17 04:36 PM
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I can't say I subscribe to the same definition of these words as you. I consider it something more like the difference between "pants" and "pants"
/r/MensRights16/05/17 04:25 PM
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Hmm, I'm taking a look at it now, the jokes seem like rather dark humor, which I enjoy. There seems to be some recognition of the gravity of the situation as well. I'd say that so far (15 minutes in) it hasn't really been stepping over the line. Maybe playing with the line a bit though, no worse than how I'd talk shit with friends.
/r/MensRights16/05/17 02:22 PM
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One could make the argument that it's the only way to deal with the heat, and on that count I agree that one should allow shorts. It's like I already knew this from when the article about them doing it some time last year circulated. Though I'm glad to see you invalidate all your own claims of snowflakes.
/r/MensRights16/05/17 01:59 PM
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I'm surprised at how quick you've been at othering. Please, tell me more about me. I'm a snowflake, sure, and also pro Hillary, this according to you of course. What more can you project onto this username for the crime of arguing against traditionalism?
/r/MensRights16/05/17 01:47 PM
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Not only suicides, but forcing them to fight for the 50% thankless in the country too. How does this logic follow for you? Oh, no one forced or shamed them to fight for the country. Exactly. No one is shaming boys into putting on skirts, are they? One could make the argument that it's the only way to deal with the heat, and on that count I agree that one should allow shorts. Won't that be too much for those snowflakes who are as equal, strong and independent as men only when they need gender quo…
/r/MensRights16/05/17 01:37 PM
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A bit vitriolic here and there, but no worse than the lay of the land for the kind of debate environment they were in. I did enjoy some of their content, and the guy seemed like a decent enough fellow. Though I do wonder what happened, I guess that will come to light soon enough. I'll remark that I don't think this is the time to go on some kind of witch hunt or start drawing conclusions about "male feminists." Or harassment for that sake, let's not go the route of the SJW's that laughed at some…
/r/MensRights16/05/17 12:54 PM
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making No more than allowing men to purchase guns is "making" them commit suicides. Or allowing women into the military is "making" them die in the front lines. We're looking at a situation where boys may be getting more freedom than they previously had, and you think freedom is bad? I think the time is up to stop applying our own insecurities to enforce social norms on others.
/r/MensRights16/05/17 12:44 PM
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Yet men aren't defined with what they cover their legs with. A kilt is a knee length skirt with deep pleats, there's no use in watering the term down further. Do you also insist on renaming make up (manke up), or jewelry (hewelry)? The reason the post is here should frankly be that this is a step forward in dismissing bullshit gendered dress codes. Rather than emasculation outrage.
/r/MensRights16/05/17 12:15 PM
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What if they're skirts, not kilts?
/r/MensRights16/05/17 09:54 AM
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The skirts pictured aren't really kilts, as far as I can see. From what I know, kilts are a specific kind of skirt. Insisting that something be called something it isn't, purely on your associations seems a bit insecure.
/r/MensRights16/05/17 09:54 AM
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Explain why we consider it mutilation (a literal piece of you, with a function, is cut away). Then explain how it conflicts with out values (bodily autonomy). Don't detract from a cut penis by saying it is somehow lesser. Acknowledge that the important thing is that they're happy with their body. Then point out that future generations of children should ideally get the choice, rather than be forced to undergo an unnecessary medical procedure. The important thing is that a male body isn't born dy…
/r/MensRights12/05/17 12:19 PM
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Public perceptions, if the roles were reversed, I'd assume anything like that coming out would have you visited by the cops. And rightly so. IPV is a horrible fucking thing, and it happens to both men and women. We've practically accepted it as humor or justice for women to hit men. It happens for a whole host of reasons, which is quite interesting to get into, but at the moment, we have to live with being held to different moral standards.
/r/MensRights30/04/17 05:03 PM
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This is the right thing to do. Doing so at your age is incredibly admirable. I've been in a very similar position myself, and I never even realized it was abuse until way after the fact. Kudos.
/r/MensRights30/04/17 04:53 PM
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Assuming that "gender violence" is short form for "gender based violence," we've got this, handy redirect. Violence against Women being defined as: Violence against women (VAW), also known as gender-based violence, is, collectively, violent acts that are primarily or exclusively committed against women. In that respect, when it comes to domestic violence, they're still missing the mark.
/r/MensRights24/04/17 10:11 AM
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Quite odd choice of username for that general sentiment. Though, if one views it in a callous lens, you've got a point.
/r/MensRights20/04/17 01:39 PM
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Pretty sure it's just a troll, ideological leanings uncertain.
/r/MensRights20/04/17 01:37 PM
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I'm not sure I agree with you a hundred percent here. I think that knowing your limitations is a strength. And that some people need to talk about their feelings. I'm not saying everyone does, and that's why I appreciate that they say that boys "can" seek help, rather than that they should, or that it's the only way to handle your problems. It's not "the" solution, but I think it's one that can help for some boys.
/r/MensRights08/04/17 07:37 AM
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Of course, I love AMR, it gives me some insight into what the worst thing they can pull up at any time is. Most of the time it is either unpopular within the sub, or laughably mischaracterized. Though, giving them ammunition like this without dissent doesn't really strike my fancy.
/r/MensRights07/04/17 11:27 PM
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Yes, I'm talking about the goal of the campaign here, not necessarily the effect they're having. I assume good intentions, but I'm nowhere near qualified to talk about whether this is going to help boys or not. From what I quoted in the article, none of this seems to be "boys need to open up," as much as "we want them to know they can come to us." It's the difference between "Tell me what's wrong!" and "I'm here if you need me." It's hard to shed bad experiences, but I think that there's some ku…
/r/MensRights07/04/17 11:16 PM
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I won't argue too much there. Though I do believe it relied the message that this was domestic violence, so it needed a bit of clarification.
/r/MensRights07/04/17 11:10 PM
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Men not being allowed to express their emotions and having a much higher degree of gun ownership explains the high suicide rate. Once again, easy answers, though it doesn't translate well to countries with lower gun ownership, but with equally diverging suicide rates. I don't doubt that there's some social conditioning and devaluing of male lives, though I'm not convinced that's all. By authoritarian, I thought meant a planned economy and a communist dictatorship. No, that's just common of commu…
/r/MensRights07/04/17 11:06 PM
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I'll say that my comment being about as popular as the OP is enough for now, though I hope more people will look into the discussions and see that things aren't as black and white as some of our more extreme members perceive them.
/r/MensRights07/04/17 10:50 PM
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What made you visit the MRA section for a change? I think the MRM has the most promise, but harbors too many loons for my preference. You might be one of them. I assume you mean FRD is a "feminist sub," in which case I'll also assume you're incapable of lifting debate about petty personal attacks and conspiracy theories.
/r/MensRights07/04/17 10:49 PM
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Oh, I'm sorry, did I hurt your ideology with facts and skepticism? Now, please, tell me how I'm posting in the feminist sections. Go through my history, find and reference my quotes, link for context as well. Note, where I post is half the job, with it, you just get guilt by association.
/r/MensRights07/04/17 10:47 PM
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That may be, though the campaign seems to aim to fix that, don't you agree?
/r/MensRights07/04/17 10:44 PM
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Whatever. That is rather dismissive from a feminist to someone saying they don't support sexism. It might, given that these roles cause a lot of suicides. I don't think that's an accurate depiction of society either. While I partly see where you're coming from, I think blaming suicides on fringe gender role enforcement is overly simplistic. China is a market economy where people get to choose their jobs. Authoritarian countries would include communist dictatorships where people are told where to…
/r/MensRights07/04/17 10:38 PM
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That's usually what those scholarships are. Exactly. I'm not for it. Enslaving was indeed a big word, but it perfectly captures how I feel. I'm sorry to hear that, though I don't think it carries well into describing society. It also does not realize there are quite a few well-developed cultures (China) that have lots of women in STEM and undeveloped cultures that have few women in STEM. This kind of underlines the point further though. China is economically developed, but authoritarian. If I'm …
/r/MensRights07/04/17 01:59 PM
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One can't beat online delivery, I see it's already working.
/r/MensRights07/04/17 01:01 PM
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Most feminist methods consist of education and offering private scholarships. I'm generally opposed to gendered scholarships. Private people are free to do what they want, sure, but it's still sexist to reserve handouts for one gender. When it comes to education, assuming that it's public, I'd want it as gender neutral as possible. But there we have to get into the specific methods before I can really comment. Given that I've been called every homophobic and emasculating slur under the sun for l…
/r/MensRights07/04/17 12:52 PM
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Ooh, the Doctor has one for this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMQzdqETG8Q Pretty much that, I'll let the guy use his own judgement on whether he can or can't restrain her. NB: If you try to call this debate, you will be a hair splitting fool, and Big Red will be your tinnitus.
/r/MensRights07/04/17 12:36 PM
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I don't think they're dating. Isn't there some thing about domestic violence being within families?
/r/MensRights07/04/17 12:32 PM
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Goodness. Here's the 'fascists' gathering for a good cause. Of course antifa wants to silence them. I mean, no love for the alt right, but they can go ahead and do their thing. In a political sense I'm hoping for more "Nazi" punching, so antifa can keep on showing how little regard they have for human liberties. On the other hand, I really hope nobody is hurt. That would suck, and they probably wouldn't deserve it.
/r/MensRights07/04/17 12:31 PM
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Im a lone wolf that has no limits. Are you all mgtow pussies? I enjoy this.
/r/MensRights07/04/17 12:21 PM
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I don't see the blame being passed here Three times as many boys kill themselves Six times as many girls seek help As long as we accept that seeking help actually helps, urging boys to get help strikes me as the best option. It is hoped the Tough to Talk campaign will help boys struggling with suicidal feelings to realise they can seek support from ChildLine if they are unable to talk to friends or family. "We hope that by putting the spotlight on male suicide, we can help boys see that they are…
/r/MensRights07/04/17 12:18 PM
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To be fair, no reason put up to say that this woman is a feminist. Not all women are feminists, and not all feminists are women, we're as well served by that divide as anyone.
/r/MensRights07/04/17 12:11 PM
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No amount of "MUH CHOICES!" is going to change the fact that there's a 5% gap that's unexplained Apparently, unless you account for reservation wages. A study in Germany found it to account for enough that the gap became statistically insignificant. and that those choices need changing While I don't agree with your goals, I won't really argue as long as the methods offered are fine. as they're based on outdated social roles that enslave people. Or are they based on social roles that take biologi…
/r/MensRights07/04/17 09:56 AM
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Eh, people will be scared off by the "alt-" no need to go out of your way to scare the authoritarian left.
/r/MensRights29/03/17 07:37 PM
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Woo! Alt-left! Do you want badges, or should we have caps?
/r/MensRights29/03/17 02:18 PM
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You got the genders turned around there. The convincer is a woman, the convincee is a man in this case.
/r/MensRights27/03/17 02:30 PM
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I think I've never seen a puddle of piss in a school or office bathroom, hardly even at bars. But I guess I can see the point, though I'd say it seems to mostly come from belief in stereotypes.
/r/MensRights22/03/17 01:50 PM
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That's funny. My impression so far has been that women's bathrooms are comparatively disgusting.
/r/MensRights22/03/17 12:54 PM
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Ah, thanks mate. As for why someone would want that... A shorter queue? I'm generally anti gender segregation, so I don't think I'd care all that much.
/r/MensRights22/03/17 10:45 AM
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What was the question?
/r/MensRights22/03/17 10:25 AM
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I'd guess on a certain increase in men being willfully careless or dishonest about contraception or fertility. If you can't be held to the following pregnancy, there's less motivation to put on a condom than there was before. It would pretty much mirror the "happy little accidents" that happen today, where women wanting children know that they can get monetary help no matter the consent of the father.
/r/MensRights20/03/17 09:53 AM
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It is understandable that one might lose control. Oh, yes. Here I go not understanding how one might get into the situation. But it's okay, that's your legal system, I prefer to keep out of countries with laws based on honor culture, so I'll judge them as inferior from afar. Maybe a short holiday, should it appeal. Though I'm curious about the agreement. Are you sure you have everyone, and not just that every Texan with an internet connection just decided that defending murder was the hill they'…
/r/MensRights17/03/17 07:35 PM
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Comments can't go over my head, the top of my head is above the top of the screen. But I take it that the offer of actual exchange of opinions was too much for you to handle? I'm more than happy to fling shit, I've seen enough reasonable people not agreeing with honor killings in and around this thread.
/r/MensRights16/03/17 08:30 PM
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I'm very glad you are assuming things about my parental status. The "what about the children" appeal is a hopelessly emotional one, I think you should try to aim higher. If that were my daughter, I 100% agree he would have been luck to have died that day, in that building. I would hope you never did that. And if you did, I would hope a more civilized legal system handled you.
/r/MensRights16/03/17 08:25 PM
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he caught the man IN THE ACT and if you cant understand his rage or even the basic functions of human emotions enough to realize that he wasnt wrong in beating a rapist off of his daughter then you dont get to weigh in on this topic. I have said several times that he may just have gone too far due to emotional affect. It is a shame and certainly not something to be celebrated. He killed a man he, by his own words didn't want to kill, and I for one, pity the man who was turned into a killer despi…
/r/MensRights16/03/17 05:33 PM
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The American Psychiatric Association (APA) has included pedophilia in its Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders since 1968. I may be conflating disorder and illness here, but I'm a layman, sue me. i dont know how you cant imagine walking in on a middle aged man RAPING your baby daughter and not beating the shit out of him. Try and limit yourself to the shit, and not the life, that's all I'm asking. I won't see someone as a hero when they've killed someone who was supposed to have…
/r/MensRights16/03/17 04:09 PM
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Are you sure that's what I'm saying? It really sound like you just want an excuse to get out your murderous urges when you talk like that. How about we try again. I will allow anything below the line of mutilation and murder. Is that enough for you, or do you need to taste the lifeblood of the mentally ill?
/r/MensRights16/03/17 01:50 PM
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It is very likely, from the data available. He seemed to genuinely not want the man to die.
/r/MensRights16/03/17 10:10 AM
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He quite obviously lost control and went too far. Thanks for a far better source though, a bit more information here.
/r/MensRights16/03/17 08:24 AM
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I'm kind of surprised you are so quick to give up someone's right to life. We don't know what the perpetrators damage was. For all we know, they were abused as a child, and messed up from it. And that is completely skipping the part where we allowed one person to bypass the legal system and decide the punishment on his own. Yes, he could have lost control, and done it out of pure emotional affect. That is surely possible. That just makes you unaccountable while doing the crime, it doesn't transf…
/r/MensRights16/03/17 07:09 AM
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Oh yes, I forgot. You have no level of prevention between polite requests and murder over there? That certainly explains the murder rates.
/r/MensRights16/03/17 07:00 AM
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I just don't withdraw humanity from terrible people. Seeing that you do so easily makes me fear for the people around you. Please don't kill people, you might become subhuman in your own eyes.
/r/MensRights16/03/17 06:59 AM
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Yeah, I know. I was pissing of a vet, mocking his historical pride was just one way of doing that.
/r/MensRights15/03/17 08:25 PM
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It is recognized as a necessity at times and during those times, it is considered justified. Killing someone who wouldn't have done further harm when not killed, is not justified or a necessity. We do understand the realities, such as the principle of proportionate harm. And the system would prosecute unlawful killing. Let me ask. What if it had been a 5' tall woman, or a scrawny teenager? From what I see, killing them is the just option, they did the same thing after all.
/r/MensRights15/03/17 08:22 PM
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Again, in the middle of a real life fight, this is not as clear as on CoD. There are plenty of regular guys in jail for killing someone in a barfight with just a couple punches. That was why I put the thing you quoted as something that would be unreasonable for me to say. You can call it murder all you like. It was not. In the rule of law, we ascribe our definitions to the law, not the opinion of foreign internet trolls. I frankly don't know if I'd consider it inexcusable, I don't know enough ab…
/r/MensRights15/03/17 07:35 PM
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Ah, I am very much in disagreement there. Stand your ground laws is one of my least favorite legal principles. It really strikes me as a moral code based on honor. I also think we diverge considerably on our definitions of "necessary force," as I work my way up from "none."
/r/MensRights15/03/17 07:31 PM
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I can't blame him, I frankly don't know enough about the situation to say that he is a bad person, or acted from anything other than pure emotion. Though I do have a problem with calling killing someone defense. The world isn't black and white, but that sure seems to be very close to #000000 territory to me.
/r/MensRights15/03/17 07:25 PM
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So they thought it would be easy then, which is why they kept their troops split? I'm happy for the history lesson by the way, I'm well aware that in taunting the vet, I talked out of my ass.
/r/MensRights15/03/17 07:22 PM
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Of course they could have, directing enough force there. But if there was no one willing to take that chance and give the order, it wouldn't happen. Your fort may be painted panels and strawmen all the way around, as long as it looks real enough for it not to be put to the test.
/r/MensRights15/03/17 07:03 PM
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I'm guessing it is, hire some writers who believe what they're writing, and please a new crowd. I think they're making the same mistake here as they did other places. The market isn't as big as it sounds, SJW's are the loud minority.
/r/MensRights15/03/17 07:00 PM
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Thanks, it's admirable of you to say something, even when noticing the backlash. To note, I've had some fun here, and helped urge some of these commenters on into vitriol. I'd probably try and pick it up in a different arena if I wanted a reasonable discussion.
/r/MensRights15/03/17 06:59 PM
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There is no legal requirement to use the minimum amount of force necessary and then run away. There is over here. I'm arguing that this law is adopted other places too. That is not how people act/react in the real world. If they don't, it is quite evident that they have lost control. Such a thing is dangerous, and should be treated.
/r/MensRights15/03/17 06:54 PM
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Murder wasn't required of him as a father. The rape didn't go on for as long as the rapist's heart kept beating, and in pretending so, it would be the same as me saying "he could have just beaten him to within an inch of his life and stopped. Everyone knows when to stop."
/r/MensRights15/03/17 06:50 PM
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Who talked about Reagan? Was he the big C over there?
/r/MensRights15/03/17 05:26 PM
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I think we have found our next rapist gentlemen. Aw geez, I love this. Let me ask you, did you ever discuss the "Nazi punching" of Richard Spencer? Did you have the same opinion then? I do remember saying that political violence was wrong though, and some people were quite insistent I only did so because I was a Nazi. But it's nice to know that you're out of ammunition, and have to try and attack my character. Go right ahead.
/r/MensRights15/03/17 05:19 PM
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simply trying to troll people who are passionate about this story. I don't need to. I just need to contradict people who have already lit their torches and sharpened their pitchforks. Killing people isn't a good thing man.
/r/MensRights15/03/17 05:09 PM
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I'm not emotionally invested enough in vigilance killing for you? I do hope we can at least agree that at some point, things move away from protection? It is understandable that one might lose control. But I don't think a loss of control that resulted in death should be celebrated. For my part this man would be lucky to have died that day, in that building, had it been my own daughter. Would you see this as defense as well? We're talking about at least one day to cool down after all.
/r/MensRights15/03/17 05:08 PM
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I mean, maybe you should take the medication though, all of this anger seems unhealthy. I'm kind of surprised you'd go for one of my least inflammatory comments, you could pretty much have picked any other of my comments, and calling me a cunt would be way more understandable. Right there I was just suggesting people don't use excessive force when defending someone. Kind of comes across as you are a fan of excessive force, and I'd rather be a pathetic loser than a violent one. As for suicide. I'…
/r/MensRights15/03/17 05:03 PM
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The father did kill the rapist, but it's not murder. Sorry, my legalese isn't fully there. Seeing that it was legal, it was killing, as far as I see the laws go. I call it murder, because that's what I see being celebrated. BTW, you act as if the father could clearly see the rapist "health" in the middle of a fight. It isn't that simple. I know it isn't that simple. I may have said it, but I don't know if this guy should have gone to prison in my opinion, I simply don't have the information avai…
/r/MensRights15/03/17 04:57 PM
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That's what I keep telling them.
/r/MensRights15/03/17 04:53 PM
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If you can't tell, people disagree with you to an extent that literally every comment you make is downvoted into the double digits. Texans, probably. It's kinda fun having my mailbox growing up like this. Just because there's a lot of people who's wrong, doesn't make me any less right. Of course, at this point you kind of have to search for the places I'm serious, in the middle of all this sarcasm and condescension. Take your opinion and get out, because you are more concerned with the rights of…
/r/MensRights15/03/17 04:51 PM
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What is the total population? Does it matter, some five millions. All rates are offered as fractions of the population, and the GDP is per capita. Ethnic distribution? Does it matter? Is a country better or worse with more or less black people? How easily can one emigrate there with low credentials or under refugee status? We take in the set quota of refugees. How has that fared? Excellently. We're like the one European country with functional borders. What most idiots like you tend to forget is…
/r/MensRights15/03/17 04:44 PM
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Why should I? I could go for becoming a prosecutor, and get both murderers and rapists behind bars in stead.
/r/MensRights15/03/17 04:31 PM
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It's interesting that you think the invasion of Britain would be a major invasion. Hitler thought so at least. GB was kind of a boogeyman, he did after all order that they took Moscow before going across the channel, right?
/r/MensRights15/03/17 04:29 PM
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Ah, I get it. You're a Conservative, aren't you? Like, not politically conservative as half the nation, but proper, big C Conservative? Don't worry, you're probably old enough not to have time to get disappointed.
/r/MensRights15/03/17 03:15 PM
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Yes, that's usually something talked about as being not accountable in the heat of the moment. That happens, I'm not going to say it's first degree murder if your emotions take control. Oh, and have a good day you too. I've apparently poked the hive here.
/r/MensRights15/03/17 03:13 PM
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Yes you are. I'm fine with people acting from emotion, though I don't think that makes excessive force justified.
/r/MensRights15/03/17 03:11 PM
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I have difficulty believing murder was needed to do that.
/r/MensRights15/03/17 03:09 PM
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They were already engaging the Soviets, it wouldn't have been possible for them to carry out two major invasions at the same time. Not to talk about the folly of going for the Soviets. Only thing more stupid is engaging the Finns in winter. Hell, without the US, we could have had a weaker communist state, maybe even less interventionist. But please, if I'm wrong, I'm wrong. Mainly a jab to piss of the Texan in any case, and helps off my "was great, ain't great" argument.
/r/MensRights15/03/17 03:05 PM
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Murder rate: 12% of US rates Last capital punishment: 1948 Rape rate: 70% of US rates Violent crimes: 35% of US rates Imprisoned population: 9% of US rates GDP per capita: 122% of US numbers And universal health care to boot. I sure hate living in a developed nation
/r/MensRights15/03/17 02:44 PM
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Not advocating we murder anybody who's been abused as a child. But his statement, from a psychological standpoint, is correct. Then I agree with you. I had a problem with the advocacy of murder. he called 911 in an attempt to save the mans life Which is great, one step better would have been not to killed the man in the first place. Are you saying he should, grab a magic fucking lasso and tie the guy up? No, but not going all out and killing the guy could be an option. I'm not doing the "you onl…
/r/MensRights15/03/17 02:31 PM
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Of course, lots of great things happen in developing countries. Though I think you may want to double check that WWII thing, pretty much coming in last minute to curb stomp the overextended empire already chomping on the pavement. Sure, the US had a purpose back in the day, but try and be less salty about the empire crumbling. You could close the book on that experiment, and set up an independent Texas.
/r/MensRights15/03/17 02:26 PM
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There is a difference between not having a place in polite society for reasons of political correctness or free speech used in poor taste That is not my issue. It is rather you showing intent of unlawful torture and murder. In my humble opinion the death penalty should Anything but "be abolished" completely flies in the face of anything you have said in pretense of wanting a "polite society." Polite societies don't condone murder. Now, you might think that I'm coming across as rather of a moral …
/r/MensRights15/03/17 02:16 PM
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Coward, thanks. I'm very much opposed to honor cultures, Texan or otherwise. Dude, I'll keep out of the US. I'm kind of amazed you guys are considered anything but a developing country.
/r/MensRights15/03/17 02:01 PM
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Which is a bad thing as well, prisons aren't any good as institutions of state sanctioned torture. I can argue in favor of due process and prison reform at the same time.
/r/MensRights15/03/17 01:45 PM
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A human being is dead.
/r/MensRights15/03/17 01:30 PM
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has no place in polite society. Do you advocate the murder of people who have no place in polite society. Rather than, for example, rehabilitation? A young father discovering the rape of his 5 year old daughter cannot be considered of sound mind at the time. That is true, not of a sound mind is certainly an excuse to use for lowering the responsibility taken for ones actions. That doesn't mean he should have killed the man. For my part this man would be lucky to have died that day, in that build…
/r/MensRights15/03/17 01:20 PM
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Of course, if this was all defensive violence, I can see the point. Likewise, people can often get overly emotional, and thus be eligible for a reduced sentence due to the nature of the crime. I just have a very hard time imagining a pedophile taking any amount of beating, and deciding to continue. I mean, they're raping kids, how brave can they be?
/r/MensRights15/03/17 12:38 PM
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Parents have a natural urge to protect their kids. That doesn't mean you should get to kill people for hurting your kids. No, not even raping them. Restrain them and call the cops, be the reasonable adult.
/r/MensRights15/03/17 12:19 PM
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I care so very little about the changes they've done to the characters. From what I've seen, Marvel reboots a couple of supers a year, and as long as they keep the stories good, it's all good. But then you get this shit. Really strikes me as both bad activism and bad comic book writing. That being said, I rarely enjoy comics in any case, so I can't say I'm the target audience.
/r/MensRights15/03/17 10:40 AM
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and the MRA is arguing that the pay gap is justified or nonexistent Not quite true. I often argue that the plain numbers are not due to sexism. I think you conflate opposing the "women get 77 cents per dollar for equal work" and opposing the "sexism exists, and can influence wages." Most of what I oppose is the lies about the scope.
/r/MensRights15/03/17 10:13 AM
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Since when is it a feminist thing to accept trans people? With the exception of the TERFS, feminist doctrine seems rather accepting. They've colonized the LGBT thing a long time ago. That's not to say that anti-trans is the same as anti-feminism, but they're not all that unlikely to coexist, seeing that conservatives are more common than TERFS (yes, I'll be so bold as to assume that.) Conservatism is just as dangerous to men as extreme liberalism. Completely agree. I think conservatism and femin…
/r/MensRights14/03/17 02:23 PM
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There's a few conservatives that seem to like the MRM because it is very anti-feminist.
/r/MensRights14/03/17 02:12 PM
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First: Who gives a shit if it's offensive? Second. It seems like some good ideas, mixed in with a bunch of misconceptions, and carries the whole "socialization is god" vibe. Thirdly, very clearly condescending to the point of ridicule (what a concept!), and needlessly moralizing when it comes to interpersonal communication between young men. Do note though that it seems that it works with the assumption that men stop other men from raping, while women stop themselves from being raped... Not comp…
/r/MensRights08/02/17 03:10 PM
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I agree. Anything should be free to be joked about, and joked about frequently. It's just really important that we are aware of the separation between jokes and serious talk.
/r/MensRights25/01/17 11:03 AM
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The MRM, as far as I'm concerned, is a descriptive label. It doesn't say anything other than "advocating for men's rights." The MRM doesn't even need to be good, it just goes "This is a right, we think men should have it." For example "Men should have the right to abort their children" (not legally or financially, but practically). It's arguing for men's rights, but it's also stupid as shit. Saying that something or someone is "in the MRM" should only be used to describe their actions, what they…
/r/MensRights14/01/17 05:51 PM
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Decent point, I mean, if we were to sort demographics by chance to being shot or arrested by cops, or severity of punishment, we'd have something like: Black man White man Black woman White woman
/r/MensRights14/01/17 03:23 PM
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This... comes across as rather insecure winging. No wait... This is MGTOW parody, right? Damn, I can't really tell, fucking Poe's Law. Motherfuck, I like the "if the genders were reversed" argument, why does this guy have to go ahead and just rape it with inconsequential shit?
/r/MensRights14/01/17 02:21 PM
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Does the Scandanavian government have any issues with allowing cruel things in the name of religious freedom? Well, they certainly take issue with arranged marriages, or any form of FGM. I know that nobody will go against me and say women aren't individuals, but the idea of being a woman itself as a special trait still exists Of course it still exists, but I'm assuming we're going with something of a prevalence here. And I simply don't think that idea is sufficient. Women with very clear agencie…
/r/MensRights14/01/17 08:31 AM
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So I think even the religious excuse of lawmakers is done because of "the norm" The Scandinavian countries have a less than 5% cut rate, yet still meet those arguments. It's not the norm there. The only argument against a legal ban I've really seen seriously argued is "religious freedom." An Anti-Mutilating movement would make more sense. I'll just go with a bit of snark here. Just like the Anti-Domestic violence movement of the seventies? The idea that women are individual human beings I don't …
/r/MensRights13/01/17 10:27 PM
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One way to go about it could be going with "the MRM". As a way to show you're serious about the things being discussed. Yeah, this is pretty much tone policing, and whatever way you go I'm not too concerned. Though there are some thin skins around that will be eager to misinterpret that, as if I'd go to some feminist subreddit and go "so called patriarchy" or "rape culture."
/r/MensRights13/01/17 10:02 PM
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I mentioned in my post why feminism is a better option than "meninism" As an aside, meninism is commonly used as the parody word for feminism. You probably know that, but using it can kind of weaken whatever argument you make.
/r/MensRights13/01/17 09:50 PM
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In the west? Yes, for now I'll assume we're talking about the west. So, norther/western Europe, North America, Australia, the "western countries," and contemporary societies, the more recent information, the better. Nothing comes to mind honestly. But I don't doubt their existence Okay, do you have any way of describing an issue that wouldn't come from social views? I mean the increased number of sick days women have in general could be both social and medical in origin, for example. touché, ass…
/r/MensRights13/01/17 09:37 PM
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I can't think of a men's issue that isn't caused by social views I'd love for you to expand on this. Could you in contrast come up with a women's issue that isn't caused by social views? Just so I can get a feel for the goalpoast in this sense. The idea is for women to be seen as individual humans, irrelevant to the fact that they're women. To be seen as equally capable and likely to do anything that men can. If this is achieved; Women will be just as likely to wear the pants in a relationship t…
/r/MensRights13/01/17 09:19 PM
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I don't know if it would happen at that magnitude, but it certainly can have something to do with it. I mean, one comment has 24 children, where 3 are visible, one is listed as deleted and 20 seem to be missing. I may be witnessing a bug on reddit, though my guess would be a mod field day to keep dissenting comments out of the loop.
/r/MensRights03/12/16 12:14 PM
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Is it just me, or does that thread have more comments missing than there are political opponents in the USSR who never existed?
/r/MensRights02/12/16 02:28 PM
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Heh, thanks. I didn't have words for those lines of thought until now. It's tricky, because I think most people switch between the two without second thought, depending on circumstances.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/16 10:55 PM
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Thanks, I see this venturing into loads of politics from here on out, but I think I've gotten sufficient brain poking done. You get a gold star for attitude and prompt answers.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/16 10:46 PM
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I bet loads of feminists agree that men shouldn't be taking gross risks either, but it still falls down to toxic masculinity. I don't think feminists have all that big an impact on the general perception on masculinity.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/16 10:45 PM
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Where toxic masculinity falls under not having calculated the risk, and good masculinity would be helpful? What if you're trading one life for another, I'd say that's very clearly not a net gain (think "women and children first") Wouldn't that be hurting yourself because of your ideal that your masculinity makes you less worth? Similarly, what if it is to kill men from another culture, superficially in the defense of your own culture, where all likelihood has you dying in a ditch you dug, would …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/16 10:40 PM
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This is kind of where I agree with you, but it all breaks down in my view. Identifying toxic masculinity seems to require deep insight into a persons brain. From the outside, the man working double shifts because he's a workoholic and the one doing it becuase he thinks it's manly are completely identical. The fireman who does the extra route may well be a hero, but could as easily be engaging in toxic masculinity, if self sacrifice is his view of masculinity. Hell, what's even the difference bet…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/16 10:32 PM
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Okay, so motivation is key. Now, young man, dead from reckless driving, was that toxic masculinity?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/16 10:23 PM
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So the action in question isn't key, but the harm it (potentially) does, in combination with the motivation that prompted it?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/16 10:08 PM
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Of course, and if the man running into the burning building does so with the conception that running into burning buildings is MANLY, is that toxic?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/16 10:05 PM
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Why would one person hurting themselves for others benefits be any more toxic than the other?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/16 10:00 PM
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Toxic masculinity is when one upholds a masculine ideal that is harmful to him or the people around him. So, a fireman running back inside despite tremendous risk, would be engaging in toxic masculinity if he thought it was masculine to be self-sacrificing? Additionally, a woman hating gays, would she be engaging in toxic femininity?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/16 09:42 PM
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Okay, I may be misunderstanding here: Toxic masculinity is associating masculinity with violence, sexual aggression, stoic and so on (VSAS from now on). So women can participate in toxic masculinity, if they believe masculine men are VSAS? Alternatively, a man who's VSAS but doesn't believe VSAS correlates with masculinity, he's not participating in toxic masculinity? Otherwise, I guess you mean that toxic masculinity is to be VSAS, in that case, I'd ask, is VSAS always bad?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/16 09:34 PM
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Abortion rights. If they could, I think we should have an abortion in a vending machine in every public bathroom.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/16 07:20 AM
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Save it, use it as context for later discussions, you'll be told at length how it's different.
/r/MensRights26/10/16 09:14 PM
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Luckily, that's not a direct 14% reduction. Effectively it's like 12%, leaving them at 73.96% compared to men, and that's only for one day, assuming they work 225 days a year, the yearly efficiency will be lowered from 86% to 85.94%, not all that bad. Now, "less economically productive" is pretty much as stupid a term as "wage gap," I get trying to mirror feminism for satirical purposes, but let's make sure nobody gets lost in the mirror.
/r/MensRights26/10/16 01:09 PM
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Ah, rape jokes, gotta love them. Don't have a choice really.
/r/MensRights26/10/16 12:44 PM
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That seems to work with the assumption that anti-feminism is anti-women. Personally, I don't think this sub is "true equality" but rather "men's advocacy." We're not concerned with women's issues in this forum, even though I'd guess most individuals here recognize that there's also women's advocacy to be done, just in other spaces.
/r/MensRights26/10/16 08:09 AM
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One day short of five months, I'm happy to be part of the world's slowest lackluster comeback. But I'd be happy to discuss issues with you, you seem opinionated.
/r/MensRights21/10/16 11:48 PM
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Marriage. Extortion. Laughs! I'll have to say, that's petty hilarious. Unless we're talking abut the right not to be fooled, this is a pretty minor peeve though.
/r/MensRights18/10/16 12:13 PM
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There's also one thing I'd like to ask as a follow-up. How many families are fatherless due to the father's choice, as opposed to the mother's choice?
/r/MensRights18/10/16 11:28 AM
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Oh yes, on number of encounters, and in depth training, long term relationships are best. They're just not as good to have a wide sample, or becoming good at "ice-breaking" Personally, I can't really get into the mentality with one night stands.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/16 03:16 PM
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That's somewhat true, but to try and argue for the "casuals" out there, they do get a wide variety of samples, and could, with some thought, try and extract general commonalities. The relationshippers usually specialize on individuals, and while their personal technique can get great, it might be wasted on the next partner. Like, say you date someone who's a real fan of getting oral, and you work those skills for years, and then move over to someone who can't stand oral, you'll have a specialty …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/16 12:58 PM
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I knew of four different instances of this before I even knew the MRM was a thing. I think you're under-estimating how much most people would like to avoid a rapist reputation.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/16 12:52 PM
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Difference of opinion is pretty much mandatory in some way or another. If you can't broaden each other's mind, what's the point?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/16 12:30 PM
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Both, it's a great way to maximize amount of people raped per rape.
/r/MensRights16/09/16 06:41 AM
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I see, do you have any secondary sources on it available, it would really help the case.
/r/MensRights15/09/16 03:02 PM
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Eh, more kudos to the discussers.
/r/MensRights15/09/16 09:17 AM
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So, this might well be his position then? Seeing it's the only position he's uttered? So we're left with a poorly argued point, and a deplorable position, that may or may not be serious?
/r/MensRights15/09/16 07:38 AM
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Ah, of course, he was just being sarcastic. Got any backing for that? I'd love to see his real position if you've divined it.
/r/MensRights15/09/16 06:58 AM
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Or she raped you, possibly. Now, I know that's not how most people's brains work, but let's be aggressively egalitarian here.
/r/MensRights15/09/16 06:54 AM
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Ask pretty much anyone outside of America whether they prefer uncircumcised penises and watch them give you a blank stare. Yep, though this guy does come from outside the US, he seems to work wrong. I generally like Milo, but he's just 100% being a dumbass in this article. Pretty much got the same sentiment. He's kind of the spray'n'pray of positions, now and then he hits, other times he takes a stand on a hill of foreskins.
/r/MensRights14/09/16 08:15 PM
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Just a little reminder that while he's a hillarious troll, and an adequate anti-feminist. But he's a traditionalist, and at the end of the day, not a friend of any movement for men's rights.
/r/MensRights14/09/16 07:48 PM
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Semi related. From what I've heard, a suit is a mandatory thing for certain "white collar" jobs, but only if you're a man. Women seem to have looser dress codes. When the choice for women seem to be looser, cooler clothes, and complaints about the setting of the air condition roll in. Is the sexist thing to turn up the heat, despite the half of the office that is bound by dress code to get a heat stroke, or to tell the other half of the office to dress? Back to the matter at hand. When you put s…
/r/MensRights14/09/16 01:38 PM
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In asking for the exemption, the bureau cited expert advice indicating that both men and women were more likely to open up about sensitive topics with female interviewers. You what mate? In Norway we're currently getting quotas for male psychiatrists because so few men open up to women. But victims of female violence can request a male interviewer or answer particular questions online. And victims of male violence couldn't just have requested a female interviewer or answered particular questions…
/r/MensRights14/09/16 12:46 PM
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If men can accept their complicity in rape culture, You gotta ask the rapists to do that. the next step is figuring out what to do about it. Report rape, have the legal system handle the rest Smith says combatting toxic masculinity requires holding friends accountable and intervening if they're about to harm someone, So, toxic masculinity is the bystander effect then? Toxic masculinity is passiveness? Are we sure about this? listening to and believing rape survivors, Oh, right skepticism and com…
/r/MensRights14/09/16 12:13 PM
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I would love for you to extrapolate on what you mean here. Any comments in particular?
/r/MensRights04/09/16 07:39 AM
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I'll try and expand upon what I'm thinking. When results can have an absolute measure (running, swimming, lifting, jumping and so on), men tend to perform better than women. It is purely because of physical advantages, and when it is partly about peak human performance, women are bound to come worse off. Let's take the Phelps story as an example, where a woman won gold and set a women's speed record, and got a smaller title than his silver. I won't talk too much about the reasoning of the editor…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/16 10:36 AM
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(I'm sorry, did you just assume men perform better?) In the vast majority of sports. Yes. And if they are less known than their partner, it's natural to claim the more well known name when referring to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/16 12:50 AM
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The gist of it is that the supply is actually at a harmful level. This devalues the product.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/16 12:43 AM
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Sure. I don't really give a shit. I made a boardgames club when I was in college. Because I'm the biggest nerd.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/16 04:50 PM
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Ah, but they haven't identified it as a cause, just a correlation. Might be frats are just gathering rapists, because rapists also seem to enjoy male bonding extra much. But that it doesn't create new rapists.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/16 04:44 PM
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And, I think focusing on their own victimhood can be very feminine to boot.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/16 11:49 AM
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Very true. Luckily, we're able to overrule biological mental traits with information and restraint.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/16 11:37 AM
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Possibly because sports is about performing, not just existing.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/16 11:26 AM
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This is pretty much it. And it is quite interesting, seeing that both male and female bodies are pretty much worthless in an overpopulated world, that we seem to cling to this. I guess that's what happens when market value is fixed.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/16 11:23 AM
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I'm not quite sure who "the elite" is, but yeah. Overblown reports are bound to happen when people look at a subject with an answer in mind. How this relates to Hillary... Eh, I don't care, I'm always up for calling for criminal prosecution.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/16 11:21 AM
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I think it's largely a mental vestige by now. I'll admit buying into some evo-psych reasoning with this, and say that it's logical that our "lizard brain" has some innate understanding of how to perpetuate the species. In that regard, women are the most important piece, as they define the roof of how fast we can reproduce. I think we're simply more concerned with their safety, and satisfied when they take relatively low risk low reward routes in life. This of course causes some blowback when the…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/16 11:13 AM
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Okay, I think you might be making things a little bit more about women than they actually are. But I'll humor the question. Because women are, and men do. While women in themselves have value in their gender, men have to find value outside their gender. That's why a "wife" or a "mother" is acceptable, but a man can't just be a "husband" or a "father." He's also the "manager at the local ..." or "a veteran" or some shit that talks about what he's doing or has done.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/16 10:54 AM
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enemies ...okay I win by them avoiding me. I think everyone wins from that arrangement.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/16 10:49 AM
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I'm not trudatness, but I'd guess it might be a reaction to the sexism of banning male bonding while letting female bonding stand untouched.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/16 10:33 AM
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I have to say, I have seen more reckless partying and alcohol abuse among the working young adults than I did in college.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/16 10:30 AM
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frat bros 300% more likely to rape. I'm still looking into this, but let's give this the initial once-over. This compares frat bros to the general male population in the college. It doesn't say anything about the relative rate of rape between college vs non-college youth. But I also checked the study linked in the opinion piece that the opinion piece you linked to, linked to. Moreover, fraternity men were more than 3 times more likely to engage in sexually aggressive acts during the 3-month foll…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/16 09:54 AM
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Dude, time to get help now. An account a day is no way to play.
/r/MensRights26/08/16 12:51 PM
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Ten bucks says she's beating him.
/r/MensRights26/08/16 12:45 PM
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Nice one. Pity feminists are too obsessed with oppression to even make a straw-MRA.
/r/MensRights10/08/16 12:36 PM
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And you subscribe to that, then extrapolate Walt Disney to mean men? Or do you mean there are worse conclusions, so yours being a little bad shouldn't matter?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/16 02:00 PM
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created mostly by men This is really the only conclusion that stumps me. Seems a lot like you're erasing women's influence on the culture they've been part of.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/16 01:26 PM
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It is a solid pointer that in order to move society from provider man / nurturer woman, we need to change the dialogue to appreciate a different kind of gender role. Either that, or "manly men" and "womanly women" are natural, and while it shouldn't be enforced as a mold, neither should it be shamed.
/r/MensRights28/07/16 11:20 AM
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I'll steal a bit from Warren Farrell here: I think people who feel powerless but are told to feel powerful are the most likely to be driven to crime.
/r/MensRights28/07/16 08:48 AM
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IS IT ANY WONDER WOMEN FEAR FOR THEIR SAFETY? Nope, most people do as they're told.
/r/MensRights26/07/16 11:17 AM
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My bad in that case, I thought you were saying "these posters helped cause man hatred" rather than "villification of men has existed for a long time."
/r/MensRights22/07/16 08:27 PM
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I fail to see how this goes down to the roots of necessity for any issues. Remember, media reflects society, not the other way around.
/r/MensRights22/07/16 07:21 PM
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I wouldn't say this goes under self-defense. As far as I know, it doesn't cover use of excessive force. It could of course be hard to assess in the heat of the moment But I'm more curious about why the rest of the clip isn't included?
/r/MensRights16/07/16 02:12 AM
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I don't really see it as a free speech issue (and what's with all these zero day accounts flooding the thread?) Nobody has a right not to get attention. This isn't even a case of "your rights end where someone elses begins" it's just "you don't have that right"
/r/MensRights14/07/16 09:30 PM
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But once ones artificially augmented beauty becomes decorative, freedom of speech laws should over ride a woman's right. A woman's right to what? Go uncomplimented? Hell, I think the whole "unwanted attention is a hate crime" thing is so incredibly topsy turvy, I can't even seem to think what harmful things it actually does adress.
/r/MensRights14/07/16 07:59 PM
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Please go by your gut feel. And have it filmed. That sounds so hillarious it might just work. Also, report back.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/16 07:02 PM
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I'm sure you're familiar with the honeybadger brigade, but I don't know if you heard Alison's words when it came to the upwards battle being fought? Her and Karen do disagree on this issue, Karen being more of a defeatist "we won't reach our goals, but we can work towards them" Alison on the other hand, said something I think was wise, I don't have the clip at hand, but I'll try to paraphrase. I think humans are capable of fighting their instincts. We're genetically wired to seek out sweet, fat,…
/r/MensRights14/07/16 08:33 AM
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What we need to learn here, is that no man has accidentally died while saving a woman from a minor inconvenience. /s
/r/MensRights13/07/16 04:19 PM
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I don't think there any that do, and seeing that most people enjoy being part of a fair system, or to correct myself. Most people enjoy being part of a system that treat women well.
/r/MensRights13/07/16 02:09 PM
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Rape during conflicts of war are not rape. The women become the conquests of war to breed new soldiers for what is effectively a new country. Oh, I see... You're a muslim, that's your problem.
/r/MensRights12/07/16 09:00 PM
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I agree with you completely on this, and you'll have to forgive my antagonistic tone towards OP, I see them around, and have come to the conclusion that they're someone I'd rather were contradicted at every turn. What I have also seen, is that feminists point to hookup culture, and the "man initiates" hinting that rape is what happens when this is taken to the extreme. Which I think is like calling American Football, or wrestling viewership a death culture, because people can die in extreme case…
/r/MensRights12/07/16 07:46 PM
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It's not like I want proof because I think you're lying, I can sympathise with any story, but take it into account that you're naming movements "got harassed by MRAs" You want to place blame. And when I place blame, I wait for some evidence.
/r/MensRights12/07/16 07:15 PM
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The university agreed to expunge this charge from John Doe’s record, pay his attorney’s fees, and give him a relatively small sum (say, $10,000) in exchange for avoiding a trial that could have exposed the university to devastating negative publicity. Look at that, the erroneous conclusion was overturned... If you want to use your numbers, send me the link with the area that the figures you quote appear. I know I provided the same courtesy. http://www.un.org/en/globalissues/briefingpapers/endvio…
/r/MensRights12/07/16 07:01 PM
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Now it means rape is also regret Sex. Fact. Prove it. Give me a single legal text that defines sex as "consentual sex where consent is withdrawn post completion" Or anything similar. 500,000 is an estimation based on UN estimates. Okay, because when I read the qoute, I reached 979 020 000, seeing that only two percent of accusations are false, and that 999 000 000 is still "millions" It's amazing what happens when you give numbers to someone with an agenda. And you tell me I'm a fear monger... L…
/r/MensRights12/07/16 06:05 PM
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The fact of the matter is that if rape were a REAL CULTURE all men would be raping and not just the mentally ill and morally corrupt. Ignoring actual definition of the term spoken about, followed by feebly attacking a strawman. But wait, there's more That is somewhere between 1-10 million otherwise the article would have specified tens of millions. baseless assertion Now, if we remove the women who I initiated the abuse, and anyone else who was not raped, we will have a much smaller number of vi…
/r/MensRights12/07/16 05:22 PM
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And as for the definitions you have wildly disregarded? "words mean what I say they mean" Oh right, I forgot that's you mantra. Fuck, I can't even tell if you're a troll or just a MGTOW.
/r/MensRights12/07/16 12:09 PM
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You need the majority to be affected for it to be a culture. Since the majority of people do not play football, a sports culture does not exist. Since the majority of people are not politicians, a democratic culture does not exist. Since the majority of people don't do drugs, a drug culture does not exist. Plus. If there was, all women globally woukd be raped daily by every man and not just the morally corrupt. As the majority of women on the planet are never raped, a culture does not exist. Tha…
/r/MensRights12/07/16 11:29 AM
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First: "Feminists think" Try not to project the opinions of feminists on "women." Secondly, even for a feminist this is either you strawmanning, or trying to redefine words again. Remember, you're not the arbiter of truth on what a word means. I'll be lazy and wiki this. In feminist theory, rape culture is a setting in which rape is pervasive and normalized due to societal attitudes about gender and sexuality. And Normalization refers to social processes through which ideas and actions come to b…
/r/MensRights12/07/16 08:37 AM
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If I say it is now being used for violence, it is being used for violence! "words are what I say they are" You don't dictate an expression, language evolves, but this is a meaning that's purely inside your head, but you're welcome to find common usage of the term as a violent one, take the temperature so to speak.
/r/MensRights11/07/16 09:17 PM
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Holy shit. You're a detrement to whatever democratic area you reside in. ‘I know no single woman in New York City who would ever do a man’s chores…they should go on Craigslist instead.’ A quote from "Marni Kinrys" dating site expert, a qoute that can be said to... warning men not to try the same trick. Also Just I only believe what is in quotes. If you can't read between the lines and analyse properly, stay out of the debate. You take one sentence sentences to go from "quotes only" to "read betw…
/r/MensRights11/07/16 09:14 PM
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Got any examples handy of what was the low end of attrocious? You may imagine I'm doubtful of anyone who tries to personally decide what speech they find attrocious.
/r/MensRights11/07/16 04:15 PM
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I like the irony of my post being added to by the irony of yours.
/r/MensRights11/07/16 04:07 PM
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Of course, any feminist would. I'm talking about the neutrals. The 80% of the population that just thinks "feminism sounds okay, but I wouldn't call myself one." They'd hopefully be suceptible to numerous sites like that being called out.
/r/MensRights11/07/16 04:06 PM
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You are verifiably retarded. Not even slightly. Dating site expert Marni Kinrys said she couldn’t see the harm as long as the woman was upfront about her practical needs, saying: ’If a man thinks waxing a woman’s floors will get him action, why not? This could be a great starting point for both parties to get to know each other.’ Kinrys warned men not to try the same trick by swiping right to get women over to cook or do the ironing. ‘I know no single woman in New York City who would ever do a m…
/r/MensRights11/07/16 04:04 PM
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It's not a violent term. If you've been slapped, then it's called being slapped. You don't face palm people you're angry with. You don't face palm people you're frustrated with. You face palm yourself. Face palm for reference If someone did that to you, it's closer to sexual harassment than violence.
/r/MensRights11/07/16 04:01 PM
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Are you serious? You know face palm is used for men as well? You know it means putting your face in your palm? It's not violence, it's not even exerted on anyone.
/r/MensRights11/07/16 09:48 AM
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As the post is about tindr and women advising men A woman. A "Dating site expert" apparently not affiliated with Tindr. I would stop nitpicking, but there's too much nit to pick.
/r/MensRights11/07/16 09:45 AM
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Which is a perfect thing for PR. Hateful people dig their own graves, I'd rather save the link to each and every one of them for when people ask "Where's all these hateful feminists you talk about."
/r/MensRights11/07/16 09:39 AM
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I disabled a large number of feminist anti-MRA hate pages this way in the last month. Why would you do that?
/r/MensRights11/07/16 09:06 AM
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Hey, I'll watch anything if it's free.
/r/MensRights11/07/16 08:56 AM
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It's important men don't take suck stupid advice from tindr or women. To alternatives to that sentence that may be better. It's important people don't take stupid advice. Or It' important people don't take advice from feminsts. You seemed to advocate taking stupid advice from other sources than tindr and woman for a moment.
/r/MensRights11/07/16 08:04 AM
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Sure. Is your statement that "Face palm" is a phrase that is a violent assault? Are you also saying that the only reason we don't react to it is because the author of this article is a female?
/r/MensRights11/07/16 07:01 AM
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You what now?
/r/MensRights11/07/16 06:40 AM
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Indeed, that would make sense.
/r/MensRights10/07/16 12:25 PM
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Given the laws in my country... India. When those laws change. Legal Parental Surrender
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/16 10:56 PM
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If they got a woman pregnant they'd decide to leave and refuse to pay up instead of marrying her. Something something equal reproductive rights... No wait, this isn't the MRM, this is TRP. Let's see. Something something biology.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/16 10:52 PM
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The screenshot initially makes it look like it says white men are protected from discrimination. Seeing the three main areas of interest read: "White Men are not protected from discrimination" "False" "Correct"
/r/MensRights08/07/16 04:07 PM
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Well, I don't see the big hubub, though I'm not arguing she didn't literally say that it's worse when Swedes rape in her opinion. Though reporting on it is almost as stupid as that whole "I wouldn't even rape you" media outcry.
/r/MensRights08/07/16 06:33 AM
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Thanks, glad you enjoy.
/r/MensRights07/07/16 04:16 PM
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"I was mannificent" Gotta admit, that made me chuckle. From now on, I'm not doing good, or great. I'm doing MANNIFICENT.
/r/MensRights07/07/16 02:03 PM
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I didn't give any money, so I don't really have a horse in the race, though I think what I've seen has been promising. And while I don't expect some mind changing master piece, I do hope that she will give some life to the debate, especially on more amicable terms.
/r/MensRights07/07/16 01:59 PM
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Milo is a brilliant provocateur. A good comedian. A decent Journalist. A shit political activist.
/r/MensRights07/07/16 01:39 PM
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Huh, I have quite an opposite point of view here. It seems her interview subjects have been quite positive about the experience, we honestly don't know what's on those pages, so we can't comment about how long the writing about Dean Esmay should be versus Michael Kimmel. What I will say is that she has listened with feminists, which she absolutely should. From how she tells it, she started asking feminists their point of view when she herself was "losing the feminist perspective" so to say. Putt…
/r/MensRights07/07/16 12:43 PM
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Being an MRA and frequent commenter, I don't see that being a general rule. Though I freely acknowledge there have been singular cases of questionable rulings.
/r/MensRights06/07/16 07:07 PM
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There's no equivalent subject intrinsic to the MRM that needs a special rule.
/r/MensRights06/07/16 06:34 PM
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Banning subjects central to a movements ideology is not conductive to a debate. The rules are made to make it possible to discuss subjects without allowing it to descend into a shitstorm. Now and then they make it hard to express certain ideas, but I've honestly never been stopped from going ahead with it. Hell, I've never had a comment deleted by the mods even, though I was serial reported for transphobia when I said I refused to use Ze about NB's
/r/MensRights06/07/16 05:47 PM
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I'm wondering if we went to different boards. I see a vast majority of anti-feminist voices. The people who seem to be weeded out are the ones who can't stay within the rules.
/r/MensRights06/07/16 05:30 PM
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Man simulates sex with woman "gross, loser." Woman simulates sex with man "let's make this a porn category."
/r/AntiFeminists06/07/16 08:06 AM
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Sidenote. If you're generally interested in gender discourse, we need more feminist leaning voices in /r/FeMRADebates Though fair warning, it might be challenging, there are a minority of feminist voices, and most people are very eager to be heard when they disagree with someone (politely, the rules are quite strict).
/r/MensRights06/07/16 07:58 AM
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what are the barriers to feminists and MRAs acknowledging all the data on both sides, and working together? First of all, tribalism. I'd say a lot of the people in either camp, while not extreme in any other fashion, have bought into the "othering" of their ideological opponents, so while a minority in both camps are misandrist/misogynists, the majority views the majority in the opposite camp as misandrist/misogynists. Secondly, I think they have very different approaches, MRA's seem to be more …
/r/MensRights06/07/16 07:52 AM
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Do you have a link to full context, maybe from a less biased source?
/r/MensRights06/07/16 07:33 AM
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Wouldn’t it be more effective for MRAs to address their advocacy and activism directly toward other men, since it’s other men who have the power to change the things they want to change? Men are half of society, but more importantly, men aren't the ones who are commonly viewed as oppressed. I'd state it as fact that when it comes to the hardships a gender suffers, women are more likely to be listened to, no matter what gender they're talking about. When the goal is change to laws, there should b…
/r/MensRights06/07/16 07:29 AM
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Okay, that's a long post. But you seem to come here in good faith, so I'd like to open up a dialogue. I honestly can't tackle all your questions in one post, it would become too long too quickly, so let me start with one at the time, and we can progress through it as a conversation. If men are being discriminated against, and men obviously have the bulk of political power, and, up until the last few decades, ALL the political power, why did they make rules to disadvantage themselves? There are a…
/r/MensRights06/07/16 07:09 AM
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Most men won't be fortune 500 CEOs Most men won't be elected officials True. But what's the point here? A reference to "privilege theory" I used your logic in a relating field to show how privilege as well as oppression is bullshit. The privilege is in being able to work and have a family at the same time. I don't count burning the candle in both ends as a privilege. Though the freedom to is certainly one, and both genders has that privilege. 4305 male and 1174 female work related deaths. That's…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/16 04:17 PM
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I agree. Personally I don't subscribe to the "Oppression" style of branding things. Let's say my contention isn't which groups should be considered, but that we seem to want to consider groups. I tend to want to consider individuals. Being white and upper class doesn't mean you didn't have hardships, being black and lower class doesn't mean you have a shit life. Which is why discussing genders is so useless and useful at the same time. Men make up 92% of work related deaths, but also the top 90%…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/16 09:31 AM
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Most of us don't, completely correct. Just like most of us don't have mental health problems, or been in prison / the military. If we split it up, I'm sure we'll see that there are more lower class men than middle class men that work in manufacturing. But it wouldn't change the overarching fact that more men than women work there.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/16 08:53 AM
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They may well be, but it would be nice to know where fat middle class black people stand in relation to nonfat white working class people, and so on. Point being, we should be able to discuss binaries, without having to resort to subdivisions, as long as we're aware of what conclusions we reach.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/16 08:42 AM
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Then by height, cisness, disabilities, BMI, hair-color, handedness, month of birth, and whether or not they have a twin.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/16 08:29 AM
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Most men in the west have never been to war. Most men will never see the inside of a jail cell. I like this reasoning, let me try. Most men won't be fortune 500 CEOs Most men won't be elected officials And that's why privilege don't real. Edit: I'll add to this: 4305 male 374 female work related deaths. Over 600, almost 800 maternal deaths. Let's do something fun, let's consider being pregnant work Let's add the estimates of maternal deaths to female work related deaths Let's use the higher esti…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/16 08:10 AM
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No problem, you just come back when you run out of material. I have a whole bunch, but it's quite disorganized.
/r/MensRights02/07/16 01:07 AM
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Hey, welcome to checking this place out. I don't know if you're on the fence, or feminist leaning. That's really not important though, you're checking things out on your own, which is good. Now, I'll go by two studies that support the conclusions you are questioning. I am by no means saying these are the only right conclusions to make from these numbers, or that you should disregard any other sources. Look at studies, make up your own mind. Page 18 and 19, show the numbers for rape of women (1,2…
/r/MensRights01/07/16 11:39 PM
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Beautiful, gotta love Harmful.
/r/MensRights29/06/16 12:49 PM
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Remember, only the current year counts. All previous victories are null and void, seeing as it's the current year and we don't have equality yet. That means all previous years are less equal, because we are currently working for more equality in the current year. /s
/r/MensRights29/06/16 11:36 AM
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What is it with trolls and referencing oddly specific mass shootings?
/r/MensRights15/06/16 08:07 AM
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I know, and this is the interesting thing. The analogy depends on a common set of ethical values. It works for me, but will not work for you.
/r/MensRights15/06/16 07:57 AM
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Maybe /r/MGTOW wants what you're cooking. Me for one: What's a Sodini? Why are you so angry? Who took your enter key? And why are you angry at people's preferences?
/r/MensRights15/06/16 07:52 AM
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The abortion is not inevitable, that's true. If you want the kid, you shouldn't have one. Neither should you have one if you can't stomach one. Children can be victims. Fetuses, less so.
/r/MensRights15/06/16 07:48 AM
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When you drive to fast, you mow down four pedestrians and hit a post office. When you don't wear a condom, you become pregnant, then have an abortion. One of these is a criminal act because it has victims.
/r/MensRights15/06/16 07:37 AM
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Once again, this comes down to me valuing people's freedom to control their reproduction far above the lives of unborn children. Contraceptives aren't law, because the people involved are the ones at risk, as opposed to seatbelts and speed limits, where you have the very real potential to kill people who did not choose the same risk you did.
/r/MensRights15/06/16 07:29 AM
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I am pretty sure messing with contraceptives is already a punishable offense. Though from what I've gathered, it's not enforced on women.
/r/MensRights15/06/16 07:24 AM
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You almost had it there for a second. We wear seatbelts for safety, we stay within the speed limit for safety, we stay in our lane for safety. But we aren't guaranteed to never get in an accident. Sex goes along the same lines. While your analogy works for bronze age societies, today we're exceptionally good at not getting pregnant, so good in fact, that getting pregnant from having sex is effectively a risk rather than a natural consequence. Yes, the risk is natural in nature, no questions ther…
/r/MensRights15/06/16 07:17 AM
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More like saying "You chose to drive a car, but you didn't choose to get in a car accident." Some people drive safe, some people drive recklessly, but either way, there's a risk that you become a close acquaintance with your windshield.
/r/MensRights15/06/16 06:48 AM
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Journalists seriously considering Men's issues and having a somewhat balanced view on a complicated issue. I think this is hope I'm feeling.
/r/MensRights13/06/16 01:32 PM
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gotta love that comment section. 140 characters, it's like Twitter, the less words you have, the worse the conversation will be.
/r/MensRights10/06/16 09:52 AM
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I think my own limit is as far as I can go, but seeing the societal issues attached to people who shouldn't have had children, sadly, I think that termination is the most viable option in most cases. Though personally I'm terrified of the prospect of parenthood. Hell, I broke up with a woman when I realized she would never take an abortion.
/r/MensRights09/06/16 07:42 PM
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Ah, that's a difficult one. I think substance abuse while pregnant is deeply immoral, and should carry strict punishments. Especially when the intention is to carry the term.
/r/MensRights09/06/16 07:22 PM
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Then so should women. I agree. No they choose to give birth. The government does not forcibly impregnated women and force them to give birth and raise a child. They choose to have sex. They aren't being forced to give birth, because abortions are available. Some time around year 200 BC(hyperbolic, don't cite me on this), people came up with alternatives to carrying a child to term. False comparison The overarching principle still stands. No matter how much one trumps up one example, the principl…
/r/MensRights09/06/16 07:10 PM
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I'll admit my own beliefs are very callous here, due to a number of factors. I think it's too late to start contemplating abortions when there's a chance that inducing early labor yields a living child. It is very technology dependent in my case.
/r/MensRights09/06/16 07:00 PM
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I'm glad we could come to some semi-reasonable understanding. And I've pretty much been arguing any point possible to explore your own stance, so don't take too much from the things I've said.
/r/MensRights09/06/16 06:54 PM
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And if you DON'T abort and abortion is legal, then you must absolutely be financially responsible right? I think that if you don't take steps to disengage yourself within reasonable time, you should have the responsibility, yes. So if it isn't pretty murder is okay. So if we find for example someone hurt disability and mutilated shockingly it's okay to kill them? I don't consider fetus murder to be murder, I think that's our third hurdle.
/r/MensRights09/06/16 06:44 PM
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Okay, I think we have some differences in individual rights as well, but these are all very touchy-feely value judgements. You seem to have rather internally consistent views, I'll respect that, though I probably won't voice any agreement when you talk about your views.
/r/MensRights09/06/16 06:21 PM
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The point at which the fetus has it's own heart (about 5-6 weeks) or before the fetus begins to move (9 weeks). Great, okay, now. If you've found out you're pregnant, and you take an abortion at week 4, is that fine with you?
/r/MensRights09/06/16 06:08 PM
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She chose to have sex, people are responsible for the actions they undertake. People take responsibility. Forcing people to do something should be a punishment, not a default. You drink and drive? There are risks. You face responsibility for those risks whether you want to or not. Yes, punishable by law. Because we've decided it's blatantly immoral. You have sex? There are risks. You face responsibility for those risk whether you want to or not. One of those responsibilities may be to abort, or …
/r/MensRights09/06/16 05:54 PM
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So you should be able to get in a car drunk and kill someone, no don't throw them in prison because they don't want to be there! Value their autonomy! I like this. Should we consider making a child a criminal act? Should it be punishable with 18 years of responsibilities? Is it wrong to create life? Or is it just criminally negligent to admit you can't handle the responsibilities attached with taking care of another person?
/r/MensRights09/06/16 05:42 PM
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If it takes you weeks of waiting to find out if a baby, may possible actually be there yes. "I think I may be pregnant, I want an abortion" FINE "You're pregnant" "I want an abortion" MURDER And clearly I believe in that to an extent (Morning after pill and all) but at what point is that "window" closed? Feminists seem to think there should be no window at all. Okay, this is one of the cores of our disagreement. I'd like to focus on that. When do you think it is too late to terminate a pregnancy…
/r/MensRights09/06/16 05:39 PM
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Those individuals are the ones who made the child, they ARE responsible. And that's an attitude we generally see as trying to oppress others reproductive rights. And caring for children you took part in creating should be a Parent's responsibility. As long as you willingly take it on. You seem to forget that people have an autonomy that should be respected.
/r/MensRights09/06/16 05:29 PM
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Unless within that arbitrary line where we say she hasn't officially taken on parental responsibilities yet. It seems you're trying to get a "gotcha" moment here, but you kind of need to be contextually blind to think you manage it. Hmm, that makes sense though, you aren't by chance a christian?
/r/MensRights09/06/16 05:28 PM
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It is ASSUMED not proven. So as long as it's schrödingers baby, it's okay to flush it out? If a mother can say "Yeah I started taking care of a child, but now I'm kind of ehhhh about it. I don't want to carry it to term, Let's make it dead." That's why we've decided some reasonable period where the responsibility becomes binding. Some people discover pregnancies late, some take a few weeks to realize they aren't cut out for parenthood. then why can't parents say "Yeah. I started taking care of a…
/r/MensRights09/06/16 05:26 PM
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Nobody is forcing women to have sex, but if they choose to, they need to care of the child until it is born. Choosing to have sex is not the same as choosing to become a parent. And if you can't find someone to take care of it you must take care of it yourself. Right? Yep. If it's you or the wolves, and you already have the responsibility, then you're taking care of it.
/r/MensRights09/06/16 05:19 PM
0

Oh, I'd have the state pay the bill. While individuals shouldn't be forced to take on parental responsibilities (including monetary), I definitively think that caring for the ones who can't care for themselves should be a responsibility of society.
/r/MensRights09/06/16 05:15 PM
1

"shouldn't be forced to take on parental responsibilities" "forced to take on" Look at it this way, nobody is forcing you to borrow money, but if you do, you have to pay it back. Nobody is forcing you to become a parent, but if you choose to, you need to take care of the kid until it grows up or you find someone else to take the responsibility.
/r/MensRights09/06/16 05:05 PM
1

Let me provide you with some examples. Woman drowning child: Killing Woman abandoning child: Killing by neglect (assuming parental responsibilities have already been asserted) Woman aboandoning child next to fire station (using baby moses laws): cutting the cord Woman taking an abortion (declining parental responsibilities, as well as biological responsibilities): Cutting the cord. Woman stabbing child: killing Woman adopting away a child: Cutting the cord (transfering responsibilities) Now, if …
/r/MensRights09/06/16 05:03 PM
1

"Individuals shouldn't be forced to take on parental responsibilities against their will." There, right on the money.
/r/MensRights09/06/16 04:35 PM
1

Not equivalent. Missing the mark by miles.
/r/MensRights09/06/16 04:33 PM
0

This is the problem with your argument it depends on someone CHOOSING to do something. The women can CHOOSE not to have sex, or CHOOSE to take birth control, or CHOOSE to take the morning after pill. And the woman can also CHOOSE to take an abortion. Just because it passes the magic stage of suddenly being a life for your sake it doesn't make it less right with an abortion than a morning after pill. Hell, with that pill, it already assumes life has begun. It is an abortion. She did kill someone …
/r/MensRights09/06/16 04:02 PM
1

Heh, messed up that post. Anyways. That is where you fuck up, Let's assume we get rid of the draft. And we bar it from returning unequally. Now, men and women can vote Men and women have parental rights as well. Women can't get abortions. That means they have a COST, should they ever become pregnant, that they have to risk their lives to deliver Men 2 rights, 0 cost Women 2 rights, 1 cost. Now, you might think about the sanctity of the baby life. Fuck it. If you physically depend on someone else…
/r/MensRights09/06/16 03:46 PM
1

It's the part that's irrellevant to my argument. Let's try this in another way. Do you want the draft? In that case, who should be drafted? Do you want to allow abortions, in that case, who should be drafted?
/r/MensRights09/06/16 03:16 PM
3

Legal parental/paternal Surrender is probably the term you're looking for here. I think this is the exact forum that'll support that idea. Though a lot of Americans seem to have a problem with it, it seems that most slightly socialist countries have a baseline of support for the idea.
/r/MensRights09/06/16 08:22 AM
2

Sure, I have no problem with that. I'd personally rather take a bullet, so the second a draft would be in effect, I really would stop caring about who would be affected if I was among them.
/r/MensRights08/06/16 06:40 PM
0

Yes, I'm aware that the draft is shitty, I'm against it wholeheartedly. Now, what I'm saying is, that nobody should be charged for their rights to post. Especially when it's your life you must pay with.
/r/MensRights08/06/16 06:19 PM
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I don't think you get my argument. Seeing as I've said nothing about women voting in this scenario. I would have no draft. 0 costs, all rights.
/r/MensRights08/06/16 06:16 PM
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Men choose to freely practice their rights, and vote. In return they may be drafted. Women choose to freely practice their rights, and have sex. In return, they may have to give birth Being drafted may possibly kill a man. Giving birth may possibly kill a woman. Even a healthy woman can have unforseen complications. What I'm saying is, that in both scenarios, they should have the option to get out of that possibly lethal responsibility. Men through not serving/leaving service, women through abor…
/r/MensRights08/06/16 05:47 PM
-1

Wait, are you for or against abortion here? Because if you're against it, you're implicitly for people dying against their will during childbirth. Which is kind of a double standard.
/r/MensRights08/06/16 12:04 PM
2

(not gender. If their positions were reversed - he was slapping her around and then she beat the shit out of him and attacked a witness after they'd apparently reconciled - I doubt he'd be charged, too.) I don't know how Russia works in this regard, though I think the Duluth model would have landed him behind bars, even if he was the one starting the slapping and she was the one finishing it.
/r/MensRights08/06/16 10:13 AM
6

Hence pointless I'd guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/16 12:26 PM
1

Don't boycott things. If you want it, buy it, if you don't, then don't. Done, the added bonus is that now you won't look like a crazy feminist.
/r/MensRights06/06/16 08:12 AM
5

Sorry, but your title gives me a https://media.giphy.com/media/1Qdp4trljSkY8/giphy.gif vibe. Nevermind that though, I'd never cite this page as a source, or any article, especially a voice for men. The research they link to seems good though, I'd recommend to follow the claims to their sources. Misinformation happens in all camps.
/r/MensRights02/06/16 08:23 PM
4

Seems like the author is some kind of conservative by the way, at least judging by her stance on this issue, and her blaming it on "hardcore feminist ideologues"
/r/MensRights01/06/16 09:00 PM
7

Sure, he's free to his opinion. I just have a general tendency to be harder on people who identify with the same movement as me. A view that's in favor of ignoring female pedophiles is really a view I stand in polar opposition to.
/r/MensRights01/06/16 06:32 PM
6

Holy shit, he's a stupid MRA. In retrospect I should have been harder on him.
/r/MensRights01/06/16 06:22 PM
8

4/10 Low effort troll post, but Its true that feminist culture is slowly stripping us away from our masculinity. But we also need to recognize that the "men's rights movement" is just as complicit in this. That pulled it up by a point on its own.
/r/MensRights01/06/16 05:44 PM
3

I tend to agree with you on this one, I think you can belong to more than one of these lines of thought, but I don't see them as natural allies.
/r/MensRights31/05/16 01:52 PM
4

It's really hard to read tone through text, are you saying this article hails the prostitutes? Or that MGTOW/TRP are rejected only because they're bad for the image?
/r/MensRights31/05/16 11:52 AM
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Looking out for the weak feels good on its own. Subscribe to a theory that everyone but you is disadvantaged and needs your help, and fight people like you, boom, you're absolved of guilt, and you get to feel like you're solving a problem.
/r/MensRights30/05/16 07:24 PM
1

I think you got the standard of demand for evidence up side down. You take the claims, then you look at the evidence. You don't really need evidence for a non-claim. But if you know someone who did give you a definition of "rape culture" feel free to drop it here.
/r/AntiFeminists30/05/16 08:42 AM
0

<joke> Well, "tries to kill" is taking it a bit far, she was a woman after all, couldn't possibly have really cracked a skull. </joke>
/r/MensRights29/05/16 08:23 PM
2

I'll try and make it short and sweet. Rape is given an extremely broad definition when talking about those statistics, often confounded with sexual assault and drunken sex. In addition rates of rape and sexual assault are lower for students. In elaboration, I think the biggest problem for campuses is the "non-report" culture.
/r/MensRights29/05/16 03:44 PM
1

Of course, I'm not asserting there have been no questionable bans, I'm sure there are some. But any one having problems with banning policies here are free to start a discussion, we've done so before. And if they're banned PM me, I'd like a more balanced view.
/r/MensRights27/05/16 01:53 PM
2

I agree, I haven't really seen a ban I disagree with. Though I do wish more feminists would come over and argue in bad faith, it's always a lot of fun.
/r/MensRights27/05/16 12:09 PM
2

I have actually seen a bunch of bans happening, especially back in the day when some guy was trying to get a doxxing app funded, advertising he had punched 40 women or some shit for cred. I swear, he made an account and reposted once an hour for a week straight.
/r/MensRights27/05/16 11:38 AM
1

On the middle of a Norwegian mountain. 50 people within biking distance, and uphill both ways.
/r/MensRights25/05/16 08:30 PM
1

Ah right, distances are so big over here, I never thought of that option.
/r/MensRights25/05/16 07:56 PM
2

Okay, who works as a cyclist? What the actual hell? You mean like an athlete? Or more in a bicycle tester fashion? I can not get past that point.
/r/MensRights25/05/16 06:02 PM
1

It's certainly a stupid way to react, it's almost as if stupid people will react stupidly.
/r/MensRights23/05/16 03:36 PM
2

Of course, it's a bigoted title. I think we both agree to what degree of dill this weed has gone.
/r/MensRights23/05/16 02:30 PM
2

Yeah, I said might have been, because the title alone did not rely that information. But three sentences in he showcased his own close mindedness
/r/MensRights23/05/16 02:23 PM
3

Well, that might have been speaking from experience at least. I can't really blame people for petty tribal behavior, we indulge in it too.
/r/MensRights23/05/16 02:10 PM
23

Every day, I ask myself, “Am I the real victim here?” Well, I've never called myself "the real victim" I don't think victimhood is binary. Just kidding. I never ask myself this question. Ah, that's how open minded our writer is. Three sentences in, and he's shown that he is unwilling to even grant a moment of thought to uncomfortable questions.
/r/MensRights23/05/16 11:05 AM
1

Did you watch the Rick and Morty spin on it? From what I saw, they didn't promote a positive view on the "female ruled world" trope. Besides, we live in a world where men do hold more obvious power, flipping the accepted norm is basic social commentary, like lord of the flies.
/r/MensRights23/05/16 09:54 AM
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"Where does the MRA get his water" "From the 'well, actually'" I guess it's because they experience being corrected by MRA's a lot, take for example. "Women are oppressed because of Wage gap" "Well actually, the wage gap reflects average earnings and lifestyle differences, not sexism in pay level." After hearing that a dozen times, you either correct your stance, or start mocking the correction. I'm honestly glad even tumblrers utilize some humor.
/r/MensRights23/05/16 09:50 AM
2

I'd imagine (without being an expert, so anyone, feel free to correct me), fatherlessness is a different approach to carrying on your genes. As a man it's either to try and safeguard your female(s) against other suitors, or try to impregnate as many as possible, with no strings attached, so you don't really worry about who the father is, but also don't expend resources on any women/children, focusing your energies on the initial insemination.
/r/MensRights20/05/16 06:42 PM
1

a lot of imagination
/r/MensRights20/05/16 06:35 PM
1

In a subreddit with the title "Men's Rights :: Advocating for the social and legal equality of men and boys since 2008" It's almost like we encourage activism, without necessarily consisting of only activists.
/r/MensRights20/05/16 05:25 AM
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Wait, you're activizing? And here I was, advocating all this time. Silly me
/r/MensRights19/05/16 09:19 PM
1

It'll be like the heroic tale of that tank engine. Except more rapey.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/16 04:56 PM
1

The penetrative power it could have seems modest at best.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/16 03:38 PM
0

Stephen Hawking seems pretty unable.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/16 03:23 PM
1

Well, it would certainly be surprising that he got knocked up. But seriously, I don't know enough about this columnist to say whether she'd go full souble standard. My guess is she would, but it's irrellevant in this situation, as she's still wrong.
/r/MensRights14/05/16 05:09 PM
2

Well, it was certainly unprofessional to fuck a client, though she went off the deep end with the removal of the asker's agency.
/r/MensRights14/05/16 03:52 PM
1

Same thing here, oh well.
/r/MensRights14/05/16 02:22 PM
1

Oh yeah, I'd be reluctant to trust anything GMP asserts, my posing questions is probably the reason my comment got moderated (it seems like it got moderated at least).
/r/MensRights14/05/16 12:47 PM
1

Ah, I see. Well, I don't really know him well enough for me to trust his word on something, and I try not to let my dislike of someone make me receptive to think they're doing something immoral before evidence. That's kind of a reason people think the MRM promote rape and wife beating. Hey /u/desmay, do you have a minute to elaborate on the story of how Futrelle is trying to remove your article? Any and all proof would be welcome as well of course.
/r/MensRights14/05/16 12:43 PM
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Comment awaiting moderation, I just have a hard time believeing that someone would spread this kind of rumor without checking the facts. I'm sure you'll do a better job of it next time though, no worries.
/r/MensRights14/05/16 10:46 AM
1

Behold! The Lecter of Anesthesiologists. I'll stand corrected, there are sick doctors just like there are sick people.
/r/MensRights14/05/16 08:28 AM
3

"AIDS" "Hygiene" "They won't remember" they have a load of excuses why it's good for them.
/r/MensRights14/05/16 08:15 AM
0

So the author of an article is claiming attempted censorship, without supplying proof of said attempted censorship? The person with something to gain from reads comes into a group who's clearly anti censorship and wants support without evidence?
/r/MensRights14/05/16 08:14 AM
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I don't see where you made the leap from "female doctor" to "feminist." Your doctor probably doesn't do any willing neglect, but some people are sexist and affected by their sexist bias. Actually, I'll state with almost complete certainty that a doctor doesn't willfully harm patients, that would pretty much require you to have tripped over the Hannibal Lecter of endocrinologists. Go there with an open mind, and if you have reason to suspect she's not being professional, ask for a second opinion.
/r/MensRights13/05/16 10:06 PM
1

Yes, I remember when I claimed someone is trying to get something removed, and then didn't source my claim, boy did I look like an ass. But seriously, banter aside, I haven't found a word mentioning this on his page, which is usually where he goes to moan about things. Tweet? Or did you read his diary?
/r/MensRights13/05/16 11:43 AM
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I don't think there is one, not at his shit smearing blog at least, I'm really of the mind that OP is talking out their ass. Especially regarding the feminist source that's supposedly under attempt to be "removed" But it's okay OP, not everyone's cut out to be good enough.
/r/MensRights13/05/16 09:46 AM
1

Apparently an attempt to call out misspelling rather than being intellectually honest is your reply. I'm disappointed, I had hoped contributors were less feminist and more rational.
/r/MensRights13/05/16 09:12 AM
1

Hey, mind proving you "futrelle wants this gone one like one paryer" claim?
/r/MensRights13/05/16 05:47 AM
2

That really went from one to shit in a very short time. How even? Now, I did something fun, I'll just remove the gender here, and we can play a game of who's oppressed? 1. and also for [blank]'s sexuality to no longer be objectified or oppressed. 2. but these types of alterations that are subsequently framed with sentiments that denigrate and attempt to oppress [blank] 3. which has utilized a radical—and harmful—anti[blank] view in order to supposedly lift the oppression of [blank2] 4. Gordon-Le…
/r/MensRights12/05/16 04:27 PM
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I second the request for more information.
/r/MensRights12/05/16 01:14 PM
1

Oh yeah, I just used your comment as incentive for additional ranting.
/r/MensRights12/05/16 12:17 PM
3

Am I the only one slightly uncomfortable when people do the "deaths into money" kind of transition?
/r/MensRights12/05/16 09:48 AM
2

One could argue that, but I see that as generally landing you in a pointless discussion trying to out-oppress someone. Better to argue that "nobody are the niggers of today" and try to focus on the plights of both groups.
/r/MensRights12/05/16 06:43 AM
1

Well, I'm glad that I don't take responsibility for people being stupid. Some time, some guy will press the limits and make a stink.
/r/MensRights11/05/16 04:18 PM
1

Sure, probably not in the first iteration. I'm not bound by dress codes so it's not a priority, but the limits will be pushed. And the more we move towards tube tops and Jeggings being acceptable women's clothing, the more people will realize the hypocrisy in putting nooses around men's necks so they can work.
/r/MensRights11/05/16 04:00 PM
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I'm generally a nonviolent person, I try to live my life doing the least harm and the most good(well, some good, lots of neutral stuff). But there's really one thing that makes me want to slap a (gender neutral) bitch. suggesting that men, not women, are really the oppressed ones. The sheer amount of dismissive bigotry in that phrase is stunning. Personally, I don't claim that men are oppressed, I don't think there's anything to be gained from playing oppression olympics. But that sentence reads…
/r/MensRights11/05/16 03:02 PM
1

Hey, that's great. I think most elected officials should spend more time listening to the people.
/r/MensRights11/05/16 02:15 PM
2

That's the thing, I don't see MGTOW making demands, from what I see, MGTOW goes "Fuck this, I'm out." Plus, I don't have your perception of the MRM, so I guess our vastly different views on the movements may be the main reason for our identifying terms.
/r/MensRights11/05/16 01:54 PM
1

Okay, can we petition for a male MP to do that then? You write your elected officials, I'm sure they will listen. (/s)
/r/MensRights11/05/16 01:51 PM
2

Yeah, I think dress codes are rubbish, so I'm all for this.
/r/MensRights11/05/16 01:18 PM
6

Can someone who has a dress code requiring a tie or a suit please refuse to wear it and sue based on sexism?
/r/MensRights11/05/16 01:10 PM
2

People have a psychological need to feel good. Right now, that means painting MRA's, MGTOW, TRP and PUA's as one big bad boogeyman, all that's needed is to remain calm and reasonable, and grow. I don't see the MRM as beyond checking out, but advocating ones purpose is always better, that'll create awareness in any case. I don't think checking out is needed, but I won't hesitate to do it if I become convinced it's a good strategy. The thing is, something like that needs to be massive, like a stri…
/r/MensRights11/05/16 01:04 PM
1

In your estimation, could these men not be convinced to advocate for their own rights in stead of checking out?
/r/MensRights11/05/16 12:40 PM
1

So, you're not disagreeing with the end goals, but the methods, is that an okay simplification of the matter? Say, how big do you think the MRM and MGTOW are, respectively? Any guess is fine here.
/r/MensRights11/05/16 12:09 PM
3

Well, thanks for the compliment I guess. Now, I'm more interested in your views, we already agree on "ally" being a stupid term. Is mgtow better because you've already given up and not fighting a hopeless fight?
/r/MensRights11/05/16 11:34 AM
14

Exactly, and I'm a lazy bum, so I'm happy not being nagged to death for now. "You do you" and all that, it seems PragerU are advocating productivity for the sake of productivity.
/r/MensRights09/05/16 03:55 PM
1

I wholeheartedly agree. The fewer you can make your progress at the expense of, the better.
/r/MensRights09/05/16 03:53 PM
1

I agree with your position, I just didn't get the same feel from the person I replied to. Everyone always looks to improve their lot Yeah, and those are the women u want to avoid at all costs. Note the missing (reasonable) qualifier that you added to who should be avoided: It's not normal to plan to do so by marrying someone and taking their money in a divorce.
/r/MensRights09/05/16 02:21 PM
79

"Men earn 20% more than their single peers" I sure am glad they don't have any extra dependents they need to pay for or anything.
/r/MensRights09/05/16 11:23 AM
2

That's a rather needlessly pessimistic view. But why would you think that being a normal person is a bad quality in a partner? Do you feel most people shouldn't be romantically involved with anyone?
/r/MensRights09/05/16 09:32 AM
3

Everyone always looks to improve their lot, it's a pretty general part of the human condition.
/r/MensRights09/05/16 08:37 AM
2

Like this? http://www.census.gov/prod/2003pubs/p60-225.pdf
/r/MensRights07/05/16 09:50 AM
1

No, I think the brackets are used consistently, it's just that the most negative estimates have been used for everything
/r/MensRights03/05/16 03:25 PM
4

I have thought of it in a similar way, though I don't think the conflation of the "manosphere" is very useful in this case. I see redpill as a rather conservative "you just do your own thing." approach, while PUA's seem to be more in the direction of "just get your dick wet" The thing is, that both of these seem to want to work within the system provided to them. The MRM on the other hand, wants changes to society in one way or another, I see laws being one of the most common goals, though socia…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/16 02:07 PM
8

Cutting bits of them is just doing them a favor really... /s
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/16 01:59 PM
16

lol, I'd actually love to see the numbers on that specifically.
/r/MensRights03/05/16 10:29 AM
56

You should really make sure to include sources here, that's a lot of claims, and they seem to be "worst estimates" in some circumstances.
/r/MensRights03/05/16 10:14 AM
2

You should probably NP that link. Honestly, how is it these people think they have the high moral ground? "(...) rather like trying to play chess with a pigeon — it knocks the pieces over, craps on the board, and flies back to its flock to claim victory" Ban, delete, and claim victory.
/r/MensRights03/05/16 08:06 AM
3

Yep, what they need less of is domestic abuse.
/r/MensRights03/05/16 06:50 AM
1

I have no problem with his motivation, what I don't approve of is his methods.
/r/MensRights03/05/16 06:48 AM
10

I really have no problem with this.
/r/MensRights02/05/16 03:00 PM
2

Sure it will. The logistics is the challenge here though.
/r/MensRights02/05/16 07:22 AM
1

You have a couple of good points, but the example I'm working with here is the second woman being interviewed. She's obviously observant enough to see that the cultural differences is what attracts these men. Personally, I think this is a somewhat new realization, that may well be growing. There is of course no one blueprint for a sucessful relationship dynamic, but asymmetry is something I'd bet is nice for most relationships. But yeah, I'll give it some thought, I honestly don't have a coheren…
/r/MensRights30/04/16 11:30 PM
1

I guess you're right that it hasn't changed much, what do you think is the reason here? Is women's expectations a static, or has there just been enough pressure on them yet?
/r/MensRights30/04/16 02:51 PM
2

Oh, but you can, because they also think that in some circumstances, "a woman can use sex appeal to get free things" which is misogyni /s
/r/MensRights30/04/16 02:19 PM
1

And this is what I'm talking about, as much as some men have checked out of the dating pool, people are starting to notice the problem. And some of these articles are saying the plainly obvious thing "You're looking at the wrong guys." And that's also a reason I think things turn when people get older. There are fewer men around. In your example, 5 men check out, and the 5 others have their turns being fuckbuddies with the 10 women. But things start to change, what if three of the men marry thre…
/r/MensRights30/04/16 07:46 AM
2

Okay, this is where my only contention lies. Look at four people. Neither of them are having sex, in fact, all of them are 22 and virgins. Two men, two women. All four of you will tell you that they're virgins by choice, and that they don't buy into the dating market for various reasons (religious, pride, pickiness, etc). How do we tell them apart? Can't you have a poor confidence, and still choose to be a virgin? Is it impossible to have a low SMV and a high confidence? I know I had confidence …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/16 10:14 PM
0

I don't fully agree here. Turning no into yes is something of course, and in general, women expect some wooing. But I don't think men need to do that. A sexual dynamic requires two genders to work. That's kind of where I see a point with MGTOW, if enough men sign out of that, the market will have to adapt. Hopefully to a less rapey dynamic.
/r/MensRights29/04/16 09:48 PM
3

So, there's two different types of sexless people, the ones who are so by choice, and the ones who are so by low value? And the ones who are sexless by choice shouldn't be equated with the ones who have low value?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/16 09:43 PM
1

Yeah, they use the same flawed methods, so they will get the same flawed measurements. It's like measuring something in centimeters, and then reporting the findings in inches.
/r/MensRights29/04/16 09:11 PM
3

Probably left open to interpretation, I don't really sit on the raw data so I can make proper conclusions.
/r/MensRights29/04/16 09:10 PM
2

Oh yeah, this point is nuts, I was talking about the overarching ideology having something good in the veritable sea of shit that's out there. This though, this is just another turd.
/r/MensRights29/04/16 08:36 PM
1

It's a skewed polarized worldview, but there are nuggets of merit hidden there, gotta remember that so we don't become a reflection.
/r/MensRights29/04/16 08:18 PM
1

More like, if you had a group of ten men, two of them would rape you because they didn't know any better, and one would rape you because he likes rape. However, programming using a group and norm-based approach appears to be appropriate for men who endorse force but deny rape, as long as the programming can establish rapport and credibility with participants. They're envisioning a "Rappy the anti rape dolphin" if my mindreading is any good.
/r/MensRights29/04/16 08:04 PM
2

Dude, involving race would have been racist, it's unacceptable. Especially with the risk of unfortunate implications.
/r/MensRights29/04/16 07:50 PM
2

We're the infantry of the patriarchy I guess, it has resorted to this, because shitfights on the internet are more fun than censorship.
/r/MensRights29/04/16 07:00 PM
3

Aw hell, that comment section is cancer. Fearmongering faith cancer.
/r/MensRights29/04/16 06:51 PM
3

Yeah. I don't have source right here, but if I were you I'd try to find out what constituted a yes. Earlier research coming to the same point, had anything over 10 on a 100 point scale constitute as a yes.
/r/MensRights29/04/16 06:43 PM
3

Not from what I've seen of psychology research. Just getting away with it isn't enough, you have to be able to not blame yourself. Like if an authority figure told you to do something (auswitch), or the other person deserved it somehow. Getting away with it is just the last barrier.
/r/MensRights29/04/16 06:38 PM
1

No, I think it has a system like murder. If you have sex three separate times you're a serial rapist, but if you have sex with two or more women at the same time, you're just a mass rapist.
/r/MensRights29/04/16 06:35 PM
3

I love it when that kind of research comes up, they ask questions like "Would you force a woman to do something in a sexual situation if there were no consequences." If I'm thinking "Sure I'd make her get on top." That checks the box of "PROBABLY A RAPIST"
/r/MensRights29/04/16 06:27 PM
4

Well, I'm apparently not a man then, or is it called being turned down by oneself?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/16 06:08 PM
3

What I'm not sure about here, is why incelness and chosen celibacy is gendered. Is it for simplicity of argument, or are you arguing women are virgins by choice, and men are virgins by not measuring up by default?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/16 05:17 PM
4

Hasn't Tumblrfeminism been described as 4th wave?
/r/MensRights29/04/16 12:26 PM
3

Pillfree - schlongwielder I don't think not telling someone you know well is ethical. There is a certain limit there, of how well you can know someone before you start interfering with their lives. Probably a hard to measure line.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/16 12:21 PM
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Me neither, but I swallowed the explanation nonetheless. There really are some lies nobody should live, and this is messing with the most basic of someones instincts.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/16 11:51 AM
2

Nature wants to preserve life until there is no more struggle to do so, and life can be harmonious and the struggles can end. Genghis Khan is one of the most reproductively successful men in history. Was he a step on the path to no more struggle and harmonious life? I'm not sure why you're attributing intention to an unthinking process of selection, but it kind of falls apart when you see the relative reproductive success of rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/16 11:00 AM
8

Does the threats against male media personalities mean BP is mainstream?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/16 09:40 AM
7

So, it's not "today's men" it's "some men" Let's say you have a cow. And you want 100$ for that cow. If there's a bunch of people that would like a cow, but would only want a cow for 50$. Well, then you're free to compromise, or you can keep your cow, and they can keep their money.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/16 09:00 AM
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They don't need to. They can be their own people, focus on careers, or sleep around. But I'm not sure exactly what you mean here. Are you talking about men as a group changing the rules? In that case, complying would be the only possible option if the women in question want something from those men.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/16 07:55 AM
1

Sorry, it's not quite clear what you're trying to get across here?
/r/MensRights27/04/16 06:58 AM
1

That's well said actually. I hadn't thought of it in the sense of cultural importance in the separate rooms. I guess my sentiment is that separating on gender is a useless heuristic, but it's been going on so long now that we're not getting around it. It's actually been ingrained in our culture in a fashion.
/r/MensRights27/04/16 06:51 AM
4

So either way, that's what it boils down to? Men are dangerous in women's spaces, while women are vulnerable in men's spaces (gaming for example)?
/r/MensRights26/04/16 07:58 PM
5

I don't think going "anti-feminists for berinie" was a very good way to go ahead. Though MRA's would have been even worse. Fuck, I don't think you want to get those labels on anything if you want to make a popular statement.
/r/MensRights26/04/16 04:20 PM
2

Okay, quick question: How is this relevant?
/r/MensRights26/04/16 02:44 PM
2

So, you sit a group of people down, then ask them to rate baby voices on masculinity and femininity. And you're surprised that they answer the way you want them to? Vocal pitch aside, babies who are born female are still more likely to get saddled with Barbies and ballet class. Very true, they carry the awful burden of ballet. While boys just coast along on getting beaten more often. No, I know they focused on both genders here, and it's kind of good that they're doing that. But I don't care abo…
/r/MensRights26/04/16 11:51 AM
2

Isn't it rather a way to know which grounds to debate on? If you go into something with evidence, and I never request it, but rather adopt the stance that this is simply your point of view, we will probably be talking past each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/16 11:26 AM
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Yep, it was something about shelters being funded by the government, but the "women's department" (paraphrasing) didn't recognize the issue of domestic violence against men, so they refused to fund it.
/r/MensRights26/04/16 08:40 AM
1

Well, it seems my guess was on point. I think I would have received it better if context had been included, and maybe a mention of "You think this is crazy, look at the feminist version."
/r/MensRights26/04/16 08:35 AM
1

I think it is, though how is the effect on the opposite genders?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/16 06:27 AM
5

Well, that's a load of shit. I'm getting very crazy MGTOW vibes from this. Do we have a name for the crazy cousin of the feminist? The one that's just as anti intellectual, just geared towards men's rights?
/r/MensRights25/04/16 10:20 PM
1

Huh, I wouldn't be too surprised. How about intragender and genetic influences?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/16 09:26 PM
1

Of course, I wouldn't refer to all women without leaving room for exceptions. How much influence would you say goes the other way?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/16 09:24 PM
1

Okay, so women as a group are shaped, not by what men say they want, but by what they actually want. Thus very few women create art about men the same way men do about women?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/16 09:18 PM
1

So men only made art to get pussy?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/16 09:14 PM
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Also, just going through part three now. Where the gender scientist (guy with the earring) that insisted everything was social in part one, because there was no evidence for anything biological (and who said "that's not evidence, there is no evidence" when presented with evidence) returns. Now he's saying that being gay is a choice, and that there's no evidece for biological reasons (saying "that's not evidence, there is no evidenc!" when presented with evidence). That guy is a classic
/r/MensRights25/04/16 09:01 PM
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Crap on a stick. Well, that's nice. I had very little respect for the things I saw about them honestly. So I'll have to watch the whole seven parts. I know there are some gender studies sneaking into universities around the country, but it's got far from the grasp it has in other countries. I guess someone will pass Sargon's petition along here as well, maybe we could purge the studies of ideological bullshit in time.
/r/MensRights25/04/16 02:30 PM
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Wait what. The NIKK got shut down over this? Do you have any source on this? Once again, holy shit.
/r/MensRights25/04/16 02:11 PM
1

I'd argue that rights aren't determined by the laws. But that rights help inform them, as when we talk about rights, we often bring them up as an ethical thoughtpiece.
/r/MensRights25/04/16 06:31 AM
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Yeah, I do believe there's a social factor, that's why I said this: there's little reason to think the whole difference is simply social. The only thing is, saying that men aren't stronger would be patently false, and saying it's 100% social, would require some extraordinary evidence. Anything else, eh, not that bad.
/r/MensRights24/04/16 07:59 PM
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On average, no. Men are physically stronger than women, there's little reason to think the whole difference is simply social. Male and female weight lifters have been brought up and socialized in much the same way ("Lift"), yet their results are vastly different. In additons, there's a real difference between size, and size is also related to strength.
/r/MensRights24/04/16 07:35 PM
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It is, though the rest of the argument becomes a back and forth between "is it a right" and so forth, but I believe the MRM has some fairly solid and measurable goals. Like reproductive rights for example, which I feel is an issue lacking for genders, but women at least have rudimentary, and in some areas, rights to infringe on men's reproductive rights.
/r/MensRights24/04/16 07:03 PM
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Wait, it is? So it's literally only illegal for one gender to surprise impregnate?
/r/MensRights24/04/16 06:57 PM
2

It may be that I'm not accepting the initial claim of women's bathrooms being neater. But as for the men being the "dirty ones" I think this is very much a good point. I've read countless blatantly sexist arguments against allowing shared bathrooms during this debate.
/r/MensRights24/04/16 06:46 PM
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Bodily autonomy, let's start with the big one. Girls are protected by law from tampering with their bits for no good medical reason. Boys have no such protection yet.
/r/MensRights24/04/16 06:38 PM
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You've got a point, though from what I've gathered, sanitary workers find women's bathrooms to be far filthier. I agree that the "separate but equal" thing isn't a possibility, and that the obvious solution is ungendered restrooms. But I don't think we can really reframe it as a men's rights issue.
/r/MensRights24/04/16 06:29 PM
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I'd hope it is because of the low relevancy to judging a whole gender by the actions of a few with that gender. Like blaming all males for rape is useless (and would still be useless, if men actually committed 98% of rapes).
/r/MensRights24/04/16 01:12 PM
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Does it have to be either one? I've always been reluctant to call something "gynocentricsm" for the sake of it. Especially when applying it to anecdotes like that. For the same reason I won't go to the "patriarchy" explanation off the cuff.
/r/MensRights23/04/16 10:10 PM
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Yes, they went over that in the video I linked. For western, educated countries, it would not be of any imporance, as we don't really struggle with condom use or AIDS. The speaker in the video also pointed out some of the flaws to the research done, as well as pointing out what research has been done to justify it in the past (stopping "niggers" from raping was one). If people choose to get their foreskin cut off when they start becoming sexually active, I really won't protest too hard. Though s…
/r/MensRights23/04/16 09:35 AM
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This is the point where I think we can benefit from the most nuanced perspectice. I've experienced a lot of sympathetic ears in the feminist movements when it comes to MGM, a lot of them are progressive thinkers that like the label, but doesn't subscribe to every tennent. But I can understand wanting to get away from current year man.
/r/MensRights22/04/16 11:47 PM
1

Until recently is good, it's all moving in the right direction.
/r/MensRights22/04/16 11:29 PM
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I rarely read through a whole article from buzzfeed without groaning, but this thing almost had me in stitches. I saw some guy being pissed about the negative portrayal of the MRA recently, though it seems they were actually somewhat fair to the movement. And honestly, there's no reason not to portray the good with the bad. There are mysogynists and bigots within the movement, portraying just the reasonable ones wouldn't make any sense, or entertainment.
/r/MensRights22/04/16 09:21 PM
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To be frank, there are some health benefits, I don't consider them to be worthwhile. Like the removed risk of having an infection of the foreskin (because it's gone), the risk is tiny, and the procedure to cure it is the same as the procedure to prevent it (circumcision). The research into aids, is severely flawed, and so on. They've called it "the cure looking for a disease" for a reason. It's a cultural thing though, pretty much only the US practices it, and thinks it's okay in the first world…
/r/MensRights22/04/16 11:18 AM
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I'd recommend you have a look at this There's a lot of research saying yes, and there's a lot of research saying no. Personally I don't think it's an important question.
/r/MensRights22/04/16 11:04 AM
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Okay, good. You do your solution, I support that. Though, in preparation of any blow back, I recommend you take pictures of your face, document your injuries. I know it might seem like she would never report you, and I'm sure the chance is remote, but better safe than sorry. Some people will use any tool at their disposal when spurned by a loved one.
/r/MensRights19/04/16 11:56 AM
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First, I want to reiterate, getting beaten isn't your fault, it wasn't a corrective beating, it was just assault. Now, I'll share a bit. My ex used to slap and hit me when I had her verbally up against the wall, it was her last resort to take control of an argument. Accusations are highly emotional, of course, false or correct, there is no telling how one person might react to them. But, if you're jealous, and her reaction is to beat it out of you, I'd say that's the end of the relationship. Jea…
/r/MensRights19/04/16 11:52 AM
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This might help. From what I can read, this is domestic assault. Personally, I'd make a big stink if I was in your shoes, I've tried being quiet about it, and it didn't work. But I can't give you advice, depending on how strictly the police keeps to the Duluth model, there might be a case against you if you gave conflicting stories. (Anyone with experience with Texan DA laws are urged to pipe in.) But to put it in plain terms, what she did was a crime.
/r/MensRights19/04/16 11:46 AM
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I can't interpret things any better than you, you've lived it. Do you know what prompted the abuse on this occasion? Did you hit a nerve verbally? That's usually what I did.
/r/MensRights19/04/16 11:37 AM
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A couple of questions on the legal perspective, how does your face look? And do you know the laws in your area?
/r/MensRights19/04/16 11:22 AM
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Hey, I'm sorry this happened to you. First, I'd advice you end that relationship, it's obviously harmful to you. Has she done this before, or did it come out of the blue? This is plainly abusive, if you need to talk, I'll listen, if you want to listen, I'll talk. Right now, it's not about blame, focus on coping, and making sense of a senseless situation.
/r/MensRights19/04/16 11:12 AM
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Thank the gods, that's not that bad. They just wanted to implement a feature that worsened the enjoyment for some, and enhanced it for some others. In that case, it's just a gimmicky gimmick. I'd say the same thing I say to oversensitive feminists: play it, or stop throwing your money at them.
/r/MensRights18/04/16 07:49 PM
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It's women then. Is this really a "women are unlucky to be women, men all love being men" kind of thing? That's mind numbingly stupid, it's amazing this guy knows how to write.
/r/MensRights18/04/16 07:39 PM
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since half the population was already living with those feelings. They're allowed to take any creative direction they want for their own game. I support that, but who would just go on the internet and tell lies like that? Unless they're asserting that all women want to be men, they're literally saying that the transgender to cis ratio is 1:1.
/r/MensRights18/04/16 06:07 PM
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Don't really see the relevance here. Maybe /r/The_Donald would appreciate it more?
/r/MensRights18/04/16 07:57 AM
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I'm sure you see that calling your mental health into the argument means I'm not looking to argue the merit of your ideas. That's because I know where this argument goes. You get stuck up in the insults, unable to see past them into the argument that is made: There's a faggoty shitstain spamming his fundraising in the hopes of reaching a sympathetic ear. Of course, we've been over this before, you can't not get hung up in passing insults, so you won't be able to take in constructive criticizm. B…
/r/MensRights18/04/16 06:33 AM
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Let's go over this. We keep the post saying "look at this doxxing shit" and bann the ones saying "we should totally doxx" Look, I encourage men to seek help for their mental health issues, but I don't think this is the place to have a breakdown, seek help.
/r/MensRights17/04/16 09:53 PM
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Let's see, this was rubbish a week ago, it was rubbish yesterday and it is still rubbish today. I have no idea why this man's sexuality is relevant, although the founder has several times come across as a bit of a mental case. I wouldn't throw my cash at that if I were you. This is admittedly a decent product idea, but you need a good product as well as a good team to do something like that. And I have no trust in this team.
/r/MensRights17/04/16 04:17 PM
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Sounds like he's a very provocative guy. He probably needs a list to keep track of them all.
/r/MensRights17/04/16 03:52 PM
2

Well, I'm a hardcore socialist, but I don't think I'm also stupid.
/r/MensRights17/04/16 10:10 AM
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Have you outlined the several issues with the study? Really, one more flawed study in the throng is no problem, and certainly not something we need to apply public pressure that may well cost someone their job. Their superiors should be given time to realize their flaws themselves.
/r/MensRights16/04/16 11:35 PM
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I think people are taking issue with your delivery. And I seriously suspect a bunch of people here like to rage first, and advocate second. But I'm coming to realize something. The existence of rageposts, or anti-feminist posts, or shitposts, doesn't detract from the good conversations that go on here. Sure, it's not all that good for PR, when people cherrypick the "sue them!" posts, and that's frankly my main beef.
/r/MensRights16/04/16 11:20 PM
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Eh, legal case is typical American, though I don't really condone posters slandering (in lack of a better word) a whole gender.
/r/MensRights16/04/16 11:05 PM
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First, I'd never seen those before, I think they're hillarious. Second, sure, it plays on a goofy dumb man trope. Third, as I usually say to feminists complaining about tropes: So what? So fucking what? Stop giving fucks about inconsequential things.
/r/MensRights16/04/16 02:45 PM
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Oh yes, I was continuing along the humor thread. But thanks for refuting it, well said actually.
/r/MensRights16/04/16 08:13 AM
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Ah, I love that thought exercise. You see, I live in a welfare state, and as soon as my trial period is over, I also have a reasonable guard against unlawful firing(political opinion being protected). But let's say I one day got smeared, and fired, and unhireable. That would mean the state has to pay for my cost of living until I can hold down a job. I honestly don't think I could break without legal action against me, and I'm not doing anything illegal in advocating, so I'm in the clear. Oh, an…
/r/MensRights15/04/16 11:14 PM
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I'm more a fan of banning money. And valuation of goods and services.
/r/MensRights15/04/16 08:57 PM
3

I would not mind opting out, a government should of course not be allowed to force that on citizens. And I think the fact that it was routine would do enough for those who are victims of the fraud to get a way better leg to stand on.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/16 06:48 AM
2

To clarify, you wouldn't be opposed to voluntary paternity tests? So if they were standard, but either parent could opt out of the practice, that would be fine with you?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/16 06:33 AM
1

Well, with our fight for getting equal punishments for equal crimes, MRA's fight for male on male violence to be punished just as hard as male on female violence. Where we see a clear disparity in the current justice system, is crime perpetrated by women being taken more lightly, and given lighter sentences. Now, if you're done ragebaiting, please supply actual evidence that male on male is being treated more lightly by the justice system and society in general. I of course assume you mean such …
/r/MensRights15/04/16 05:25 AM
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Well, the expressed guilt by association was quite low on this one, they hinted at it in the beginning, but seemed to step away from it, and just went for the "manosphere" in the end. This is far from the worst opinion piece I've read.
/r/MensRights14/04/16 02:25 PM
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Offense taken on behalf of someone else is never going to be helpful to anyone. Fuck, you're talking over the people you pretend to protect.
/r/MensRights14/04/16 10:14 AM
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I'll just source it here: http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2144002
/r/MensRights14/04/16 10:04 AM
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I think that is very difficult to drop once you've picked it up You hear about pay gap, glass ceiling, sexist hiring, rape culture, and a whole bunch of issues, finally you come to the conclusion: life is unfair to women But the lie has too many legs by now, once someone comes in and says the glass ceiling is a choice, you will find the bottom line: Life is unfair to women And you have to redeem the contradicting evidence with your conclusion. So you say something, like "but, sexism" or "they sh…
/r/MensRights14/04/16 09:56 AM
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When calling domestic violence hotlines, for instance, men who sustained all types of IPV report that the hotline workers say that they only help women, infer or explicitly state that the men must be the actual instigators of the violence, or ridicule them. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3175099/
/r/MensRights14/04/16 08:15 AM
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Ireland is backwards with the whole "don't abort" thing they've got, but I have to admit this is funny. I wonder if they'll make more things crime by proxy. Let's prosecute fathers whose children were killed by the mother. Hell we could just revert it to the time where husbands were legally responsible (to a certain extent) for their wives. But let's extend it to sex partners in stead.
/r/MensRights14/04/16 07:47 AM
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Well. Anyone asking you for money without good reason sounds like people you shouldn't stick around. If you think people you give money will hurt you, don't give them money. I don't see how this pertains to men's rights though.
/r/MensRights13/04/16 09:00 PM
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Do you have any additional comments to supply? Right now it seems a lot like ragebaiting. And I'm not even sure who you're baiting.
/r/MensRights13/04/16 08:54 PM
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I see, and that is a reasonable response. Personally, the thing is that many of the base assumptions of feminism doesn't hold up when you investigate them. Feminists and MRA's agree on many things, and I think most people here would give zero fucks about the ideology of someone who would help bring justice into family courts. But, and here's the catch, many of the things said and forwarded by many feminist teachings is villanizing men as some kind of opressor class. People concerned with the rig…
/r/MensRights13/04/16 08:34 PM
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I don't exclude people from being able to be an MRA and a feminist at the same time, identify as you wish. But let me ask you, are you a feminist yourself?
/r/MensRights13/04/16 08:19 PM
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The draft, should it ever happen, was made gender neutral. Applying for all men and women of adult age. The remainder I see is to make one year service in the armed service mandatory across the genders as well (førstegangstjenesten).
/r/MensRights13/04/16 07:19 PM
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That and the draft, that's true. I had forgotten, we got military issues somewhat fixed in 2015 in Norway, luckily.
/r/MensRights13/04/16 04:34 PM
3

Or you could just go with the good old "No, it's for porn, I swear." And film it.
/r/MensRights13/04/16 02:58 PM
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Nono, buy a condom, ask to test it. It may be a very expensive condom, but that'll get the job done.
/r/MensRights13/04/16 01:48 PM
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I'll keep on arguing here: But men don't loose sexual arousal from it.. It's not just a sexual body part. from what I've heard from grown men they would rather be circumcised.. That's fine with me, adult circumcisions are no problem. Doing it to a child is different though, to phrase it differently: How many grown men will have to want to not be circumcised even though they are for that to matter? I will definitely keep this in mind if I become a parent. Please do, you could take an irreversible…
/r/MensRights13/04/16 11:22 AM
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If you want to do research on Circumcision, I'd recommend this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGYq1n6Ipfw&feature=youtu.be It's a long watch, but it goes through it, from history, to positive effects, to side effects. It's all in one go, though it's not the end all be all for arguments, it certainly gives you a lot of pointers about what to look into in the future.
/r/MensRights13/04/16 10:04 AM
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Okay, I'll go with the country I know here. Infection is not a valid excuse. I'll try and flip it first, would it be valid to remove the labia of baby girls to make it easier to clean and to prevent the chance of cancer in the labia? Of course not. In Norway, there's next to no circumcisions, but we don't have an epidemic of infected foreskins, The chance of having to go through a medically necessitated circumcision doesn't qualify "a lot of adult males" it's not a percent, it's not even one in …
/r/MensRights13/04/16 09:57 AM
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Hey, I'll go over my opinion here, maybe you'll see where I'm coming from. I don't identify as a feminist because I regard patriarchy theory as central to feminism, and I don't believe it is a good model to describe western society. I do on the other hand identify as a WRA, because I advocate for the rights of women as well as men. As for the issues I mentioned that are not exclusively social in nature: what are your views on circumcision? Abhorrent tradition, should be illegal. Legal parental a…
/r/MensRights13/04/16 09:09 AM
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You don't need to apologize on behalf of women, we don't hold a whole gender to blame for anything. In addition, I think you may be misunderstanding the gender composition of the MRM, there are women here too. But most importantly, the MRM doesn't focus solely on social "dating" issues that you call out. Tell me, what are your views on circumcision? Legal parental abortion? Male birth control? Legal justice? The family court? Discrimination in educational institutions? Affirmative action? Excuse…
/r/MensRights13/04/16 08:28 AM
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I did not read that. It is mentioned in the same sentence as recieveing more benefits. My point here, is that a woman isn't given tax deductions for being a woman, just like a man isn't being given a pay check just for being a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/16 07:37 PM
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Well, yes, but if we start picking apart the points like that, I'd say that men don't earn more money just like that, they earn more because they hold positions that are more demanding, and work in harder conditions with longer hours. It's very well implied that this is an on average account, ignoring what we have paid to get the results.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/16 05:52 PM
3

Well, they're not innocent then, are they? Appreciating aesthetics is sexual harassment! /s
/r/MensRights12/04/16 07:58 AM
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So, hegemonic masculinity provides us with a ranking of the masculine behaviors. More masculinity is better, and some masculine values are worth more than others. Now, they're saying it's informed by patriarchy and leads to gendered socialization. Part of this, has some value. Boys and girls are inevitably raised differently, and some behaviors will be encouraged in boys that aren't encouraged in girls, and vice versa. The problem is, this doesn't stem from masculinity being worth more than femi…
/r/MensRights12/04/16 07:00 AM
3

I guess yoga pants would be incoming.
/r/MensRights11/04/16 07:43 PM
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Or, possibly, dropping uniforms, and let people wear what they want. I come from a place that doesn't regulate garment, never had any problems like that.
/r/MensRights11/04/16 05:58 PM
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CDC, will that do for you? Or is anyone not agreeing with you not impartial? http://www.cdc.gov/ViolencePrevention/pdf/NISVS_Report2010-a.pdf Table 4.7 to 4.10, read and compare all you want.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/16 02:13 PM
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Fuck. You're evil, brilliant, but evil. Someone do this, I'll fund you if you tape it.
/r/MensRights11/04/16 01:27 PM
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My advice: get drunk with a bunch of friends, sing a rowdy song, tape it. It may not be good for your academic career, but I'll think it is hilarious.
/r/MensRights11/04/16 01:01 PM
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Well, yes. It's like saying "You're putting women's safety in the center" you'll get the reply "But, women's safety is central." I have some doubts about how useful the gynocentric model is, but it holds up for now. Though I'll stay reserved when it comes to pointing it out in day to day behaviour.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/16 12:56 PM
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Let's go with the sentencing gap first, (TL;DR covered that briefly). Add to that the disparity between legal protection of baby genitals, mix in a dash of which gender is not required to volunteer their life for their country if they want voting rights. I'd say that's a solid foundation, after that you can add "women and children first" and examples like the focus on women being harassed online, when numbers show they're being harassed less than men, and how the streets are "unsafe for women" w…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/16 12:30 PM
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Yep. It's adding to heaps of other things, but it can be dismissed as "poor choice of words" if you want to.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/16 12:13 PM
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I feel this is very much a "gotcha" moment, it wouldn't say much if you don't buy into gynocentrism, but it fits perfectly in with it if you already subscribe to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/16 11:46 AM
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Because the second caller told a convincing lie. Being calm and collected helps, and being a god damn psychopath helps being calm and convincing.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/16 11:04 AM
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You almost had it there. Let me just see if I can correct it. "Why we need to take cries for help seriously" If the emergency operator had listened to the original caller, rather than accepting the side of a second party, the victims might still be alive. Holy crap, my anti gender-war device works!
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/16 09:14 AM
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How about just letting them wear pants?
/r/MensRights11/04/16 09:04 AM
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It looked more like she was saying there was a connection between saying she looked young and committing other fireable offenses. The only way to win though, is being emphatic, rational, and friendly. Otherwise you're just playing the part of the monster they want to see.
/r/MensRights11/04/16 08:52 AM
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I actually don't think that was the forum for it. But let's go through it. It's tough to be a woman at all. Christ. "Well yes it is, everyone has a difficult existence. Women are not alone in this." Then supply examples when they deny your point of view. And be prepared to back it up with numbers "Cry me a river" "Women sleep their way to the top" and "I wonder who got that man fired" are all pointlessly antagonistic things to say.
/r/MensRights11/04/16 08:28 AM
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Putting np in stead of www makes the link a "non-participation" link. And yes, getting banned because of an argument is what I call a petty squabble. You were admittedly rude, and used suicide and homelessness statistics as a cheap trump card. I'm not saying you don't have a point, but argue smarter.
/r/MensRights11/04/16 07:59 AM
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NP your posts OP, otherwise it just looks like you're trying to invite people to brigade your petty squabbles.
/r/MensRights11/04/16 07:06 AM
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I mansplained She feminised I remansplained Horrible choice of words. Your previous coworker did indeed behave out of order from what I read, though you have a point when it comes to self-objectification. There are still such things as appropriate and inappropriate reactions.
/r/MensRights09/04/16 08:58 PM
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as the list if all the banned accounts you put up I'm glad you saw evidence, I didn't supply any. It shows there are far more guys than me trying to have our experiences heard and YOU are stopping us from doing so. You have yet to show that.
/r/MensRights08/04/16 02:54 PM
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It really doesn't count when all the banned men are you. You're loud and annoying, I've flagged your posts on multiple times, because you bring nothing to the table but incessant whining. I've seen crazier people be able to adapt and at least try to back up their claims. But, if you're the same person I suspect I've dealt with before, please, go sit on a flagpole.
/r/MensRights08/04/16 01:19 PM
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I'll give it a try: Do you believe in patriarchy? The MRM is pretty much on a clear "no" there. But belief in it is all but required when you're a feminist. An MRA and a feminist may well have the same goals, but they disagree about the current state of society. Their fixes and approaches will inevitably be different at the core. Sidenote. We don't have a problem with anyone arguing for women's rights (most of us probably do that as well).
/r/MensRights08/04/16 12:22 PM
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That's last year's brochure. The patriarchy has had some budget cuts.
/r/MensRights08/04/16 12:00 PM
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Your patriarchy membership card is in the mail. You'll have to sign up for the Privilege club yourself if you're a frequent flyer.
/r/MensRights08/04/16 11:24 AM
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Get drunk Have sex Report
/r/MensRights06/04/16 07:57 AM
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http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=doxx I am saying we're above those piss poor strategies.
/r/MensRights04/04/16 05:17 PM
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Judging from what is implied by earlier links to this page, it seems to promote doxxing of individuals, and making accusations outside of the justice system. The doxxing should be enough to get it banned on its own.
/r/MensRights04/04/16 04:36 PM
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So, instead of saying "My SO wants to go clubbing, she's planning to cheat." You mean people should say "My SO wants to go clubbing, she's willingly going into a high risk of cheating envirionment." I agree that it doesn't have to be premeditated, but I think it's rarely in any grey area.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/16 09:41 AM
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I was about to call you out on including "Street children Day" before your comment. But I'm colorblind, so I'll assume you're putting the green boxes down reasonably. I'm still going to nitpick though There's no reason to include the green boxes in this complaint, I think it cheapens the whole argument. There's five women's (something) days, as opposed to international men's day (apparently not an awareness day, but an observance day). I think this is a good thing to be aware of, but I don't thi…
/r/MensRights02/04/16 08:23 PM
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Where did that discussion even find place?
/r/MensRights02/04/16 11:38 AM
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I have never had any such experiences there. Though I don't think I have attacked feminism as a whole, I find the movement too big and varied to cast such a wide net. I don't think that's a good place to discuss movements, but rather individual ideas. And trying to close off from or avoid a place that opens for debate would be a very feminist thing. How about we try and discuss how to best engage with the place? Unlike certain other subreddits, they won't ban anyone simply for being an MRA.
/r/MensRights29/03/16 09:58 PM
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Of course I have limited knowledge about your mental capacity, I only had your recent posts to go by. No matter how adversarial we may be, mental health concerns me greatly, and I thought I recognized red flags in your behavior. That is why I questioned your mental fitness, I hope to promote introspection. When you attack exclusively outside the issue you lose. You missed a word there, there's nothing wrong to adding things outside the current issue to the issue. If you won't discuss with me bec…
/r/MensRights29/03/16 09:04 PM
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I had no intention for you to get bogged down in that concerned aside. You and I both know that there is no such thing as an automatic win or lose, I adressed your arguments and insulted you, you adress my insults without care for my arguments, one of these approaches close off debate. I hadn't even come to insult your spelling yet, and I know nothing about your looks, clothes or weight.
/r/MensRights29/03/16 08:52 PM
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I am open to have my view changed, you're free to get bogged down in one snarky comment though, shutting down an argument because you're insulted is easier than backing your words with numbers.
/r/MensRights29/03/16 08:39 PM
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Firstly, when you attack someone's state of mind, you have lost. Well, aren't I glad I put that as an aside, and kept to your arguments before that. I say 'do as you please, but I belive it's wrong.' Perfectly valid position, I'm sure it belongs in /r/abortiondiscussions or /r/prolife I think men are superior to women. We are stronger more intelligent and resilient. I am not denying women anything by saying that. If a woman wants to be superior to the man, get strong, get smart and get resilient…
/r/MensRights29/03/16 08:23 PM
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He has no responsibility unless he wants to take it on. False, patently false. You are literally talking feminist talk with even less coherency and more impotent anger. Take some time off, focus on yourself, it's good for your mental health.
/r/MensRights29/03/16 07:41 PM
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Now your deciding who can live or die so that promiscuity stages can kill viable people? No, I'm staying out of other peoples reproductive choices. I abstain from telling good people not to get abortions, and I abstain from not telling idiots to breed. Misogyny is man's rights. Everyone has the right to think what they mean, but thinking men are superior to women is not a right anyone is being denied. Now every man in the world has a pathological hatred of women. Congratulations! Feminism has si…
/r/MensRights29/03/16 07:39 PM
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So, I'm guessing, and hoping this is just another troll post. But let's make things clear. Misogyny isn't advocating for men's rights, and neither is anti abortion. As a sidenote, you might look into over population and how much 1.4 billion abortions has helped combat that.
/r/MensRights29/03/16 06:31 PM
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"Sweden is currently debating legal parental surrender, where parents can rescind their legal rights and obligations to a child early in the pregnancy, so that the parents reproductive rights are respected despite any views they have on abortion. Do you support the human reproductive rights being protected by law?" I don't know, I don't speak politics.
/r/MensRights29/03/16 11:21 AM
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Views on circumcision? Views on legal parental surrender? That would be my top two for the moment (assuming US).
/r/MensRights29/03/16 11:15 AM
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Sources for either of your claims would be good. Also, who's this "we?"
/r/MensRights29/03/16 10:14 AM
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So, according to him. I am responsible for violence. It is my responsibility, because I enjoy rape jokes, sexist jokes, and jokes about violence. Of course, there are many others to blame as well, indeed: all men are to blame. Well, I say bullshit to that. Offer me proof that I'm contributing to violence by having a penis, or admit merit signalling. Least logical, least worthwhile, least entertaining since that girl in the bowler cut bitching about being a slut.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/16 08:05 AM
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Do you have any sources for the promoters of legal reform?
/r/MensRights26/03/16 11:12 AM
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Ask the person what they think about victim blaming. Personally I'd just flip it to "And most women who are raped were asking for it, while the male victims are often more innocent." And see what kind of double think they'd apply.
/r/MensRights26/03/16 12:16 AM
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Bad form OP, poor citations. Police need to assume all victims are lying. No, just no. Either you're crazy, or you're a troll, either way, please calm down.
/r/MensRights25/03/16 02:44 PM
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Seconding this request, haven't seen any good examples of that yet.
/r/MensRights23/03/16 10:50 AM
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That's a good point, though I haven't seen any research handling and mapping out the issue, so I've left it alone. Do feel free to throw some my way if you see some reports on it.
/r/MensRights23/03/16 01:00 AM
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I know, and I've been trying to tell you that your argument is poor, and needs reworking and evidence if you actually want to achieve anything but division and ridicule.
/r/MensRights22/03/16 07:31 PM
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Are you kidding me? Was I not clear? I don't count it as an infringement upon anyones freedom because taxes are the price of living in society, and those who have more should pay more. I won't spare an extra dollar for charity, that's the state's job, I don't have the resources to make sure the charities I'd give to freely do what they're supposed to, the state can do that though. I serve me. I serve my freedom. My freedom to a whole body, and my freedom to be in charge of my own reproduction. D…
/r/MensRights22/03/16 07:04 PM
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No, nobody has the right to live in society for free.
/r/MensRights22/03/16 06:29 PM
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You as in I, or we? In any case, I think you'd find it hard to pin me into a right wing political leaning. Though I am very much in favor of individual freedoms, as anyone should be.
/r/MensRights22/03/16 05:48 PM
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What exactly are you proposing? Which freedoms should we have, and which shouldn't we have?
/r/MensRights22/03/16 04:54 PM
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No problem, I'm trying to keep track of my sources anyway
/r/MensRights22/03/16 04:51 PM
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That's rhetoric, I could say socialism causes cancer with as much conviction as I want, but it amounts to nothing if I can't show causation. Socialism is a failed economic system. Its off topic. Then insert any other economic system you prefer, the point of your statements being baseless remains. And no its not rhetoric, the information is readily available. Excellent, what information in particular was it that convinced you that free market capitalism has harmed men considerably over the last 3…
/r/MensRights22/03/16 04:21 PM
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That's rhetoric, I could say socialism causes cancer with as much conviction as I want, but it amounts to nothing if I can't show causation. Look, I get throwing shit on the wall and seeing what sticks, but you have to be willing to recognize and abandon a bad argument. While I don't think the political right has much merit to it, excluding them won't do the movement any good. And straight up talking shit just makes you look bad.
/r/MensRights22/03/16 03:53 PM
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Its a fact that the last 30 years of free market capitalism has harmed men considerably. Source?
/r/MensRights22/03/16 03:27 PM
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Here's a somewhat comprehensive list, go through the ones that interest you, and please come back with the reactions you received. Remember to not go on the opposite extreme and approach this with an agenda. The data speaks for itself, but not all of these papers are waterproof. A Norwegian paper about gender differences from 2010 Looking at women as the perpetrators of domestic violence 1999 A detailed look at alimony 2011 Men as victims of IPV 2007 Sex discrimination of restaurant hires 1995. …
/r/MensRights22/03/16 11:33 AM
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Well, actually. I think we mostly get it from the tap.
/r/MensRights21/03/16 12:40 PM
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Way off to the opposite extreme here. Let's criticize ideologies and laws, not genders.
/r/MensRights21/03/16 10:37 AM
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I'm really thinking OP wasn't looking for subservient women, but looking for somewhere safe for women. Kind of went into it with the assumption that OP was a female who didn't want to be groped during her holiday. If you're looking for the part of reddit that likes the subservient women, I believe that would be Redpill, though I might be wrong.
/r/MensRights20/03/16 10:37 PM
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Well, that's technically not unsafe for women, just gays.
/r/MensRights20/03/16 04:18 PM
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I'd say Japan, Asia seems fairly untouched, and Japan is a pretty safe place. Safer than the US at least. Though I don't think you need to avoid countries "impacted by feminism" on a holiday, it doesn't sink into every aspect of society.
/r/MensRights20/03/16 01:51 PM
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Feminism isn't a dirty word, it's a dirty movement. And it fortunately doesn't have a monopoly on progressive thought. I hope it'll catch on in the states as well, though it won't affect me. Norwegian. And of course it won't save all legal hassles when splitting up, but it keeps you off of the worst shit (like alimony). Kids bring their own ocean of legal trouble, but that's not really a reason not to have them.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/16 12:27 PM
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Exactly. Exactly my point. Lifelong partner: good. You'll find no contest from me. But marriage is different from having a lifelong partner. It is an additional legal contract that makes splitting up a legal and emotional clusterfuck. So if you have a lifelong partner, there's no need to get married. Except: It's not socially accepted. And to that I usually say: Fuck social acceptance. You literally say: No ones forcing you to, so if you can't handle it, don't do it. About getting married, then …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/16 12:11 PM
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Sure. That goes for both genders. I believe I recommended marriage to no one Granted, if you are among those that hates women and blames them for all your problems, then yeah. You'll be in that small minority that divorces. If you don't like women and can't relate to them then no, you should definitely not be getting married to one. The rest of us will enjoy the benefits of better sex lives, happiness, health, etc. Anyone who hates those of the opposite gender probably shouldn't be with them, po…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/16 11:54 AM
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Income, education, cost of wedding, number of previous marriages, number of children. All of these correlate with the risk of divorce, but it is impossible to safeguard completely, people fall out, people lie and cheat, marriages fail despite attempts to keep it together. That's what I mean when I say it's a gamble. People who think they will get divorced generally don't marry, you may be as sure as you'd like, it is still a risk to take. A risk that is in no way necessary for you to enter and m…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/16 11:14 AM
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NP your link OP
/r/MensRights19/03/16 08:04 AM
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Well, we can jot numbers back and forth. Bottom line still comes to the fact that it's a gamble. A gamble that many men feel is not in their favor, and a gamble that legally favor women over men. I don't go into jobs that blatantly discriminate based on gender, and I sure as hell won't enter contracts (and the attached legal systems) that do the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/16 08:02 AM
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Ah, that's where we seem to disagree. I don't think the studies I've read are fully aware of the alternatives, the categories they mostly use are: "married, divorced, never married" Seeing that the "never married" category includes everyone from shut-ins, to unmarried people in long term cohabitant relationships, it lacks a great deal of detail. I see no reason a married man would live longer and earn more (pre tax) than a man that lives the exact same day to day life, except without a marriage …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/16 10:49 PM
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I'm not a terper, so I can't put words in their mouths, but I'll argue anyways. But your average man? Yes. Better off married. Your average (American) man getting married walks into a 50% chance that it'll end in divorce If that divorce comes, the average man will be married for just about 8 years before the spell ends Divorces are generally not cool, driving up suicide rates beyond that of what you'd have if you weren't ever married If there were children involved, there's an 80% you won't get …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/16 10:27 PM
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That's usually what I use TYT for, those guys seem to be chugging kool aid from the tap.
/r/MensRights18/03/16 03:51 PM
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I don't usually think too much of TYT, but this time there wasn't much for me to disagree with. It's good that this issue is gaining traction.
/r/MensRights18/03/16 02:33 PM
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This sounds like the kind of question you should ask a lawyer.
/r/MensRights18/03/16 02:29 PM
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They do, and there may well be a problem with disregard for the patient in hospitals. Too many of these seem like false memories cooked up by overly hormonal minds though, it cheapens the whole thing.
/r/MensRights18/03/16 02:28 PM
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An ideology with incomplete information necessarily has to exclude further information or break down. That leaves feminism with three option: Be fringe, make members ignore or avoid discourse. Be mainstream, silent dissent Disappear I think we're on the point where it tries to claw to the mainstream, but places like Tumblr go the other way, and thus become more radical from the ecco chamber feedback loop.
/r/MensRights15/03/16 05:13 PM
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Okay, I've only got a few minutes, but I'll outline my points to put down a foundation. Yes. And I don't think it's because of fringe Tumblrfeminism, or because of the corporate/political hijack. To me, it boils down to the core of it. Patriarchy is at the foundation, and as far as I can see, completely outdated in western society, and a lacking description of society in general, even patriarchal society. It sets up a class war where there is none, and attributes all gendered traits to cultural …
/r/MensRights15/03/16 04:14 PM
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This is so condescending and passive aggressive that I'd think he was on his period. Onto a serious note though. The media's really bumping the "shaming" strategy up when it comes to supporters of politicians that aren't bought and paid for, aren't they?
/r/MensRights15/03/16 03:37 PM
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This sounds like a good law. I assume the lawyers are traditionalists, and I don't really care for their concerns. "It will be financially detrimental to the women of Florida" Good, hopefully it will stop a couple of guys from killing themselves after the divorce.
/r/MensRights14/03/16 04:20 PM
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Oh yeah, I've been so deep into the issue I swear I see it everywhere. But that makes perfect sense. I'd even say it shouldn't even be an issue, people shouldn't be kept away from their kids for no reason (that's an appeal to the ideal though)
/r/MensRights14/03/16 01:51 PM
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demonstrated how they're becoming increasingly gynocentric with an upvoted post. This sentence made zero sense to me. Are you telling me he provided evidence, and got upvoted, or that the upvotes were the evidence?
/r/MensRights14/03/16 10:41 AM
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Sentencing gap Circumcision laws Family courts Reproductive rights Lower grades for boys Overdiagnosing with ADHD Legal and systemic disparity that affects men. Do you think we should not discuss and fight this? Yes, there's a bunch of bitching about single cases and the feminist movement. Should men not be allowed to have a place to vent? I'll flip this, since feminists love to talk about feelings. Just like rape culture is a problem because women feel afraid, feminism is a problem because men …
/r/MensRights14/03/16 10:25 AM
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Well, the biggest sentencing gap study available was done there. The grading difference between boys and girls is cross-culture Circumcision is legal there as well. The legal system around marriage, divorce and alimony is closely related to the US one (per my recollection) Men don't have reproductive rights in the UK either. So, most of it.
/r/MensRights14/03/16 09:56 AM
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But none of the clearly defined rules say "you can only post about women's issues." Feminism claims to be inclusive, which it clearly isn't.
/r/MensRights14/03/16 09:17 AM
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At least until Parental Surrender rolls around, then we can leave it to those who actually want kids.
/r/MensRights14/03/16 09:09 AM
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"If you feel" "Have you ever felt" Gotta love the feeling questions. Nobody can tell me I'm feeling wrong when I'm worrying about rape.
/r/MensRights14/03/16 09:03 AM
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This was witty anti-traditionalism. Though I'd say it was a poor commercial for feminism. Men are more levelheaded and decisive. They belong in office. They also belong lifeless in a mass grave, but that’s beside the point. Traditional society to a tee
/r/MensRights13/03/16 05:07 PM
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Wow, thanks mate. I can't believe I missed that. This line of argumentation has been incredibly callous, I understand why someone wouldn't want to connect it to their main account.
/r/MensRights13/03/16 03:00 AM
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I believe we should believe the women at first in whatever rape allegations it is, but if overwhelming evidence shows in favor of the opposition then it's wrong for the woman to accuse the man of rape. This is exactly where you're being sexist. You want to make it easier for a woman to perform a crime that is primarily performed by women, because she's making an accusation about a crime that is primarily performed by men. And you want her to not be judged too harslhy. Let me flip it I believe we…
/r/MensRights13/03/16 01:48 AM
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No, unconditionally believing a rape victim gets a random partygoer thrown out the second floor balcony because the host's sister didn't like him. And especially if we don't include legal consequences, I'm fully against this. If the alleged rapist isn't legally charged, there should be no social consequences either. That just shows the case is so weak it can't be backed up in court. I flipped the terrorism analogy a bit to be honest. Because I included false allegations (Which is commited far mo…
/r/MensRights13/03/16 01:24 AM
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Okay, but let's take it one step further. I think we really have something good going here: I believe if we were to really tackle the problem of rape head on, we must unconditionally believe all rape victims no matter what, even if they may appear false. Excellent. Perfect even. Let's imprison anyone based on the story of the accuser. Do we let the terrorists free or do we hesitantly take down both terrorist/hostage to help prevent future victims? We take them all down of course I do feel remors…
/r/MensRights13/03/16 12:47 AM
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First off: I don't like the term "Financial abortion." We're talking about way more than a paycheck. This is legal abortion, complete surrender of rights and duties associated with a child. It's about reproductive rights: You shouldn't be forced into having a child you don't want. This doesn't work in a strictly biological way, since you can't (and shouldn't be able to) force someone to have an abortion, but doing it in a legal way is the next best thing. When you surrender your parenthood, that…
/r/MensRights12/03/16 03:59 PM
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Sure, the system today treats women more like... "Innocent."
/r/MensRights11/03/16 09:21 PM
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Innocent until proven guilty? Or was that the other way around? I keep forgetting. /s
/r/MensRights11/03/16 05:10 PM
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I actually don't think that would work. Let's say there needs to be a minimum of 40% women across the field. There's still a lacking interest among women. The men who are there get fired, only the best ones remain. The demand for engineers will keep increasing, while the supply will be kept artificially low. So wages will increase to try and attract more people. More men get attracted to the field, because they are most attracted to higher status jobs. The law persists though 60/40 split, but th…
/r/MensRights11/03/16 03:28 PM
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I don't think you'll find that many, Lauren Southern is in the process of taking Genders studies, as far as I know. But she has a gag order on the subject. The way I see it, Gender Studies is a feminist scholar incubator. The only way to come through it as normal is by being an MRA when you go in. And that's the problem, in order to pass, you seem to need to accept feminist ideology, or pretend you do at least. Way too big a hassle for most normal people.
/r/MensRights10/03/16 10:06 PM
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Holy fucking crap, how obvious can it be that the series is for anti-gamers by anti-gamers.
/r/MensRights10/03/16 05:51 PM
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So, how about we go with "Be very very careful about who you marry" for now?
/r/MensRights10/03/16 03:28 PM
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I'll retract anything I've said on behalf of Americans about marriage. Also, dudes, try and get some reform... Oh wait, that's what the whole MRM is about.
/r/MensRights10/03/16 03:00 PM
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How significant is the correlation between age of marriage and chance of divorce? But yeah, saving a bit of money on taxes is what I chalk down to "no significant benefits." Especially where I live, cohabitation gives you pretty much the same breaks. And I don't think the men are the ones who don't generally bother working hard for it, their divorce settlements are usually harsher. With the addition that most divorces are initiated by women, and have been since no fault divorce was introduced, I…
/r/MensRights10/03/16 02:38 PM
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You have a point, there are happy marriages. The 50% divorce rates show that there is far from enough vetting before you marry someone though. The thing with not getting married is that is saying no to an obligation with pretty much zero benefits. To try and use the rapist analogy: Don't marry, it might end badly, would be comparable to "Don't go on dates in back alleys" You might get screwed over while in a relationship, but it's less likely than in a marriage, and you might get raped while on …
/r/MensRights10/03/16 01:52 PM
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There's one thing I've been wondering since the strategic butt covering video. In an earlier video (about women as reward or eastereggs or something I think), she says exposing the female body as an optional reward is objectification. But she says the batman cape is covering his butt like it's on purpose. That game has a very shiny very butt exposed costume though, as an optional reward. BATMAN IS SAMUS. He is literally the same thing, just as objectified.
/r/MensRights10/03/16 01:32 PM
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Ah perfect. I have poor impulse control, I wouldn't want to hold back.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/16 09:57 PM
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You know, except point three, I'm all down.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/16 09:39 PM
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Oh yeah, we went off topic, I wanted to see if Sard wanted to outline some RP thoughts on handling disagreements in the relationship, in case I've been misunderstanding it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/16 09:11 PM
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Pfft, I'll do some choking sex. That's just kinky shit. I'm talking about the disturbing amount of silent treatment and controlling tactics. I may be wrong here, you tell me, how does TRP deal with disagreements in the relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/16 08:56 PM
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I have never heard any of those terms, but I'll give it a shot. It's like men are sex with a woman as an act of damaging her, and that this is a good thing. A woman who has come into contacts with too many dicks is known as a slut. Dicking her is damaging her in the eyes of the public. And a man is naturally unwanted, that's why he has to win a woman over. Bringing a woman over to wanting you proves you're worth enough that someone with natural value wants to degrade themselves by allowing you t…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/16 08:46 PM
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Okay, this all sounds bad. But wait, be careful approaching someone like this. A feminist can easily make themself a victim by spouting harrassment. Lean back, and keep on documenting. If you see her discussed, offer evidence in a calm and reasonable manner. If she gets to play the "I'm being harrassed" card, you've lost, and she's in the UN by 2017. The best thing to do is lean back, if she spews hate, most normal people will become less sympathetic to feminism, if she cons people, it'll be peo…
/r/MensRights08/03/16 11:58 PM
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What has she said that is fraudulent? Is this something you can substantiate?
/r/MensRights08/03/16 09:31 PM
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No, don't recruit a bunch of people to shut someone down. Let her speak, let her be the proud figurehead of whatever she wants. I'm for free speech, let feminists police their own camp.
/r/MensRights08/03/16 09:05 PM
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I'll say that I honestly don't care about potential consequences. To me, this is a question about the human right to choose when you become a parent, the right to choose when and if they want to take on the tremendous responsibility to bring another life into the world. Any woman can get her tubes tied if she doesn't want to have 15 children and live on welfare. Any woman can get take the pill and have her partner wear a condom, hers is the body getting pregnant, hers is the responsibility to ke…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/16 06:26 PM
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It doesn't benifit anyone to have to pay for some irresponsible guys sex life. Then don't give the mother money, that sorts the problem out in a couple of months. You make baby, you pay for baby. So close. You choose baby, you pay for baby. Any woman can get an abortion if she can't afford to pay for her kid, any man can't though. Not yet at least.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/16 03:16 PM
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“Patriarchy is the term used to describe the society in which we live today, characterised by current and historic unequal power relations between women and men whereby women are systematically disadvantaged and oppressed.” “Patriarchal (adj.) describes a general structure in which men have power over women. Society (n.) is the entirety of relations of a community. A patriarchal society consists of a male-dominated power structure throughout organized society and in individual relationships.” “M…
/r/MensRights08/03/16 02:41 PM
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I guess the difference we're operating with is: "Why does the state force me to give money to another person?" As opposed to "why does the state take part of my money to spend as it wants?" When the state forces one person to give money to another, budget doesn't enter it. There's no accountant sitting on the top making sure the cost is as low as possible. When the state is paying for something, they make sure of low costs. I'm way more into the human rights aspect of this argument, but I guess …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/16 02:27 PM
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Really looks like a Poe.
/r/MensRights06/03/16 12:58 AM
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This, like most humor, looks completely acceptable. It's pretty much like an elaborate rape joke, addressing how bad the person is. Let's not get our panties in a twist.
/r/MensRights06/03/16 12:07 AM
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Well, it's nice to have that legal right acknowledged. Though having it come after the incest and necrophilia thing seems like a show of priorities. Fingers crossed for this making a dialogue, let's get some more opinions on the subject.
/r/MensRights04/03/16 12:40 PM
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Feminism related subreddits are heavily moderated. I think I had a couple of good conversation in MensLib before I disagreed with a Moderator too sensibly.
/r/MensRights03/03/16 01:49 PM
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Of course they're going to fret and possibly be shamed. The thing I'm cautioning is that the message may serve to make most rapes seem like mistakes, when the majority are done by repeat offenders. As for your anecdote, what if that man put on the devastated act in a move to try and avoid being reported?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/16 12:09 PM
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Ah, I guess that's where I'm of a contrary opinion. As I see it, going with the assumption that people need to be taught that something blatantly immoral is immoral teaches victims that the perpetrator "didn't know any better." Making victims hesitant to report rapes for fear of ruining someones life over a 'mistake.'
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/16 11:07 AM
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I agree with you fully. I think I've seen too many poor approaches to trust feminists with power to change policy. On a related note, what do you think about the "Teach men not to rape" reasoning and/or it's counter reactions?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/16 10:55 AM
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I'm not an expert on the US, perhaps not. Would you say Title IX is polluted by a regressive attitude given a feminist face?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/16 10:40 AM
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Don't worry, I have no illusions that traditionalists and feminists have any love for each other. Nobody wants the traditionalists in their camp. Feminists in power merely want to be progressive while failing horrendously.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/16 10:31 AM
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How is this an apt metaphor? chainsaw Title IX axe Shotgun I The dad Stuhl Feminist policymakers Trees Male college students having drunk sex In this case: You say trees are bad, Stuhl agrees with you, and gives a free chainsaw to everyone. If you didn't get the chainsaw, you may have been too lazy to use the axe, or you might not have had an axe. Maybe you'd have postponed it until the weekend and forgotten about the tree, seeing that you're living in a fucking forest and trees pop up twice eve…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/16 10:11 AM
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A traditionalist using a feminist policy is just that. A feminist policy based on traditional values is exactly what it sounds like as well. This is why feminists are being called regressive, especially the hardcore intersectional ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/16 09:16 AM
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It's almost as if feminism policy enforces a traditional mentality. Before he'd get shot for besmirching her honor, now he just gets thrown out of college and socially excluded.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/16 09:05 AM
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See, this is why I always reject arguments that state "It's tradition" out of hand.
/r/MensRights02/03/16 03:00 PM
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Yep, and their love for pushing their own agendas while trying to look unbiased.
/r/MensRights02/03/16 01:33 PM
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Oh yeah, especially for the ones living under the US version of democratic rule, I'd say anyone's vote is essentially pointless. Now, I've got some crazy theories myself, but I'd love to discuss my views if you want to figure out what a single MRA thinks. I'd actually recommend talking to individuals about this, the MRM has a bad reputation in the media, and there are certainly high profile MRA's not making things better.
/r/MensRights02/03/16 12:26 PM
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I'm glad he came to the right decision. But am I the only one creeped out that he went to see what women think about foreskins? Not just creeped out, the whole fact of it is... iffy. Not only is his first look into it based around his son having sex, it's "what do the ladies think about this?" Am I pedantic? Is this a hangup unique to me?
/r/MensRights02/03/16 10:32 AM
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I think this is good. We don't need to know which organizations she had in mind when she didn't mention them directly. What she's saying is objectively true, and it's nice to see that even universally hated figures have humanity.
/r/MensRights02/03/16 10:21 AM
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Of course. You don't need to be big and strong to point and shoot.
/r/MensRights02/03/16 09:29 AM
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Gynocentrism implies that women oppress men. I'd disagree with your assessment here. At it most extreme I'd say it implies that men oppress men to favor women. Women aren't granted power, they're granted safety. Perhaps the redpill subreddit does not help the position. Yeah, no. That AWALT bullshit is cancer. And why do MRAs sarcastically rebuke female MRAs saying they are just saying that as a manipulative ploy to get back the men. I usually label them paranoid MGTOW's. Plus there's Janet Bloom…
/r/MensRights02/03/16 09:28 AM
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That really shows how much sway the MRM has on Reddit though. Or at least that corner of it. I've actually spoken in favor of giving refugees the option of fighting for their country before. I believe my specific position was that a host country should offer the option of military training and sending the refugees back if they chose so. Funny thing is, this applies to any refugee of age, and would be completely optional. That being said. On an emotional level, I care less about human rights viol…
/r/MensRights02/03/16 09:07 AM
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Okay, my bad.
/r/MensRights01/03/16 09:13 PM
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Looking at women as the perpetrators of domestic violence 1999 Men as victims of IPV 2007 Study about violence against women 2000 IPV and rape Survey report by the CDC 2010 IPV study looking at frequency of violence v frequency of injury 2007 Male victims of IPV seen through critical theory 2010 Men and IPV help 2008 Men who seek help for IPV 2011 Sexual Harassment Vet these numbers yourself, read the reports and make sure you understand what these guys are talking about. There is no one definit…
/r/MensRights01/03/16 02:47 PM
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Marriage is half the reason for MGTOW to exist. If you can get away with not getting married, I'd recommend that for any person of any gender. Marriage is a partnership. No wait, it's grouping up with someone in school. Your grades are based on the sum of your work, but if you're teamed up with the asshole, you're going to get shafted, you'll need to carry both of your grades if you want a decent grade. The thing is, in marriage, even if you get out of seeing your classmate every day, your grade…
/r/MensRights01/03/16 01:38 PM
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What's this? What's the purpose? Where will it show up? Are we trolling someone?
/r/MensRights29/02/16 05:11 PM
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Oh, I've got no argument which is worse. I tried to do the "can't we all just be friends!" thing in my post.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/16 08:31 AM
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I have no numbers on that. (The numbers I'm working with) Now, I don't have a problem with privilege theory. Any group that doesn't have the disadvantages of the rest of the population or that gets special advantages, is privileged in that way. Whites in the US are less profiled by law enforcement than blacks, a privilege. Women are less profiled by men, female privilege. Blacks get 10% longer sentences for the same crimes, white privilege. Men get 60% longer sentences for the same crimes, femal…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/16 07:48 AM
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Do men and women commit the same number of crimes? No. If I'd said that, I'd have to be utterly dishonest. Men do get 60% longer sentences for the same crimes though (pleas and criminal history taken into account). And have something like twice the chance to be prosecuted in the first place. But that's all besides the point. You rescinded your brother's white privilege to get out of your own female privilege, you at least keep it consistent.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/16 09:58 PM
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Hey, no problem, If I don't change my mind, I won't get to be right. Just give me a poke when you're done crunching the numbers.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/16 09:23 PM
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So your brother is not advantaged because he's white? Being that the example you brought up is that he's not being taken in by the cops. Besides, the advantage I'm hinting to is the advantage of less severe punishments for equal crimes, and lower chances of getting arrested, regardless of criminal activity. Women litteraly have the privilege of more freedom.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/16 09:21 PM
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Let's line up four imaginary people, a white woman, a white man, a black man and a black woman. Putting them in order of who's the more likely to get killed or arrested by police, you'd get: Black man, White man, Black woman, White woman. Is this evidence of women being systemically advantaged? Would there have to be a sentencing gap for that to be true? Or are you going to shift the goalpost?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/16 08:55 PM
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And at the moment, I'm focused on more important things.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/16 08:45 PM
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Sure, I'm on board with that. I focus on advocating mens issues because I find them more pressing, but that doesn't mean I won't fight to preserve abortion rights. I think asking that question makes a very "us vs them" kind of mentality when we could focus on discussing issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/16 08:39 PM
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whose fault is that? Yours. Feminism has become little more than a self-help group. For it to be that, the members would have to be encouraged to helping themselves, rather than complaining incessantly.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/16 08:32 PM
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Men get beaten more, women fear beatings more. Both are shit. (Edit: Talking about random violence here, maybe I should have specified that. ) Most beatings women receive via their partners go unreported. Most beatings men receive via their partners go unreported. See, now we're at a standstill until someone cites sources. Women are who not being beaten don't fear beatings. Only women are being beaten fear beatings. Page 23 clearly states, women fear violence, men are victims of it. Men are not …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/16 08:28 PM
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I think you don't want too know because it makes you feel uncomfortable. Bitch, please. I've been wading through numbers on gender differences for months, and the more I learn the more I want to know. At the end of the day, different people have different problems, making generalizations about someones quality of life helps no one. I'd say this is too difficult to quantify. Why is that? Because they are different issues. Most of them are subjective, there may be people put in wheelchairs that ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/16 08:10 PM
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Depending on the snake, it could be worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/16 07:54 PM
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Of course, I didn't say these points were equally shit. I'm saying these are all quite qualitative problems, and to get a good comparion you'd kind of need a series of quantitative problems. Even if we made a point sheet, at the end of the day we'd just be doing a lot of depressing math.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/16 07:54 PM
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saying 'don't ask ____ because it's not useful' is fucking pointless isn't it? Yeah, I meant it like a general life kind of thing, not this specific question. I enjoyed the question showing up, and I'd rather have it up and creating a dialogue than not. You keep saying both are shit, but it's pretty obvious which is worse. On the rape/mutilation issue, or in general?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/16 07:51 PM
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Thanks, I thought I'd give showing humanity a shot.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/16 07:43 PM
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I'd say this is too difficult to quantify. Men kill themselves more, women attempt suicide more. Both are shit. Men get beaten more, women fear beatings more. Both are shit. Men get mutilated more, women get raped more. Both are shit. Men get beaten by their partners more, women get killed by their partner more. Shitty shit. Men get less time with their children, women get their rights to abortion challenged. Pretty shit for both. Men get killed on the front lines more, women get raped in the tr…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/16 06:06 PM
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Fuckin' Jesus, always skipping his chores.
/r/MensRights28/02/16 05:51 PM
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Are we doing this? I see no relation between this and mens rights.
/r/MensRights28/02/16 03:43 PM
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Let's see, slut for one, professional victim goes for both
/r/MensRights27/02/16 11:58 PM
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Well, there are non-sluts out there, how do you usually pick girls up, may be you're looking at the casual sex scene without realizing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/16 07:33 PM
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Sounds like you attract sluts. It might be that your type is like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/16 07:24 PM
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Why can't we trust the artists expressed intent?
/r/MensRights27/02/16 11:48 AM
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I'm guessing they'd go "wow, they're so into this victim mentality that they actually believe she's for real." and "lel, obvious troll is obvious." Or something.
/r/MensRights27/02/16 11:46 AM
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As someone whose brothers frequented 4chan throughout high school and college (and as a result, I indirectly learned a lot about the site), I think I can safely say this is a troll, much like 4chan's fake "Bleed Free" and "Bikini Bridge" hashtags. http://www.inquisitr.com/1585150/feminist-breastfeed-boys-facebook/ Lol, she was so close, but then she'd go with "free bleeding" as an example, and now I'm actually closer to saying this is radfem cancer.
/r/MensRights27/02/16 11:03 AM
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0 day account, plainly evil feminist portrayed, is this bait OP? Do you want some quotes for AMR?
/r/MensRights27/02/16 10:44 AM
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Traditional perceptions don't drop in a day, this is a step in the right direction though.
/r/MensRights27/02/16 10:38 AM
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Crap, this is great news. Let's hope this perception spreads.
/r/MensRights26/02/16 09:11 PM
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Yes, that's usually what I try to do as well. I think we have the "false accusation" paranoia around here, it's easy to dismiss people we don't like.
/r/MensRights26/02/16 02:09 PM
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Oh yes, I'm far from pro life, so I think everyone should have these rights. Anything you'd add to the list, or want to remove from it?
/r/MensRights26/02/16 12:40 PM
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Oh, okay. I was thinking you implied the conclusion from this graph was faulty for some reason (expensive weddings correlate with high divorce rates). Everything after this becomes conjecture of course. People trying to explain without empirical proof what the proof implies. Some explanations may be good, some may be bad, but as long as they're not taken as absolute facts, it's a helpful exercise. Ergo any discussion that this information implies that high divorce rate is be caused by wedding ex…
/r/MensRights26/02/16 12:34 PM
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And it's also ahistorical. It is, but let's step back. What do you as a traditionalist want to fight for? I'll start it off with my own little unordered list: Right to bodily autonomy (ban circumcisions) Right to choose away parenthood (legal parental surrender) Removal of the gender bias in legal systems Removal of gendered affirmative action Removal of the draft Equal sheltering for people abused by their partner A harsh review of alimony laws (and marriage laws in general) Add legal consequen…
/r/MensRights26/02/16 12:23 PM
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Traditionalism is why the family structure has held society in place and on good footing for centuries. It strikes me more as a modern movement idolizing a past nobody ever lived in. Gender differences are owed to basic biological differences, not "socialization." Throwing socialization out the window is stupid. I believe both nature and nurture affect us to some extent. As such, the natural division of labor is the result of how we evolved. I'm not saying it was unfair, I'm saying it's unneeded…
/r/MensRights26/02/16 09:45 AM
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That's a good one actually, and one my mind went to as well. How about this? People who can afford expensive weddings have easier lives, people with easy lives will find something to worry about as well, and it's more likely that this problem is going to become their partner, while poorer couples have to cooperate to make ends meet, and can't afford to focus on petty grievances.
/r/MensRights25/02/16 04:46 PM
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The video is a big "nuh huh." I sat trough it once, and I got nothing of value from his arguments. I'll admit that a pacifist traditionalist takes away one of my objections. Most traditionalists are probably fine on most points, but traditionalism is incompatible with the MRM as I see it. I don't identify as a traditionalist for the same reason I don't identify as a feminist, I disagree with the ideology.
/r/MensRights25/02/16 04:43 PM
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Traditionalism is the view that only men can sacrifice their lives for their country. Funny, but I would have thought being against war and/or conscription would take care of that rather nicely. "I don't want a war" does not exclude "I think men should be on the front lines in case of a war." Stating that death is bad is not putting deaths on an equal level regardless of gender. This distracts from the argument though, yes it's possible to be a traditionalist and a pacifist. That being a fact do…
/r/MensRights25/02/16 09:51 AM
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You're right. It is very easy to draw the conclusions you want from certain numbers. I get a feel that you disagree with the information here though, would you care to give it a try with an alternative conclusion?
/r/MensRights25/02/16 09:25 AM
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Well that sounds fantastic, are they shooting for 60% next year? /s
/r/MensRights25/02/16 08:23 AM
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Yeah, and if I could have found her stating this opinion, I'd love to call her on it. I'm just of the overly cautious bunch that doesn't want to lump feminists together. The only other thing she's been saying on rape is that police shouldn't publish the names of accusers when they don't find sufficient evidence to want to prosecute.
/r/MensRights25/02/16 08:21 AM
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Okay, let's go through what happened: Someone cried rape He listened and believed and published Turns out it was fake He apologized Now, usually you have feminists saying "it started a dialogue," but the accused were muslims, so let's skip that Instead, he now needs to apologize for ever daring to mention muslims in a negative way, and slap on an apology for every time he mentioned them as well. Makes sense.
/r/MensRights25/02/16 07:24 AM
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Okay, yeah. That's what I thought, I just can't see how that's related. Pacifism isn't key to either feminism or advocating for men's rights. I'd say it's pretty unrelated actually.
/r/MensRights25/02/16 06:18 AM
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Now I didn't really catch that term there. What do you mean with the expression?
/r/MensRights24/02/16 09:10 PM
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Hey, that's me! Well, thanks for saying it for me.
/r/MensRights24/02/16 06:39 PM
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Well, I partly disagree with the premise here. Traditionalism has put down this framework that screws men over. Traditionalism is the view that only men can sacrifice their lives for their country. It tells us that women are caregivers, men are breadwinners, men toughen up, women get sympathy. It is not the problem we face now, that's Feminism. For what I'm concerned, feminism just bumps traditionalist worldview to eleven, and says that "ten or less is sexist." Are there differences in preferenc…
/r/MensRights24/02/16 06:13 PM
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You do realize that consenting mentally is different from consenting legally? Yes, that's why I'm talking exclusively about legal consent, which has a clear definition telling you when it can be given (when you're over the age of consent It isn't related to true capacity of the individual. Age of consent isn't, no. It's a general rule to try and get the majority mature enough for sex before they're legally able to give consent. Are you arguing against age of consent? In that case, how would you …
/r/MensRights24/02/16 04:15 PM
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I was thinking about linking to and explaining the information, but the video did it better than I could.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/16 08:22 AM
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Would be very hard, we already know that these numbers are practically impossible to estimate, as so many cases devolve to a "she said, he said" thing.
/r/MensRights24/02/16 08:03 AM
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Ah okay, so to put this in numbers, there should be a "social" multiplier? Like, an outgoing 6 could get a multiplier of 2, while an introverted one could get a multiplier of 0.5 or something?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/16 08:06 PM
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I'd like you to take a look at this video here. I'm a bit confused by what you're saying in your post, so I'd like to clarify. Are you saying that men should aim for lower attractiveness women, because women of equal attractiveness wil consider themselves to be dating down, due to their big number of options?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/16 07:39 PM
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Free condoms are good, because we know they'll want to have sex, but we'll want them to do it safely. If you want to talk about why different districts have different laws on things like that, you'd probably want to find someone with an interest in changing those laws. On that subject you might as well talk about the legal limits for driving, drinking, voting and smoking as well. We have age limits on doing things that have major potential consequences and wouldn't trust someone fully emotionall…
/r/MensRights23/02/16 07:15 AM
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you would think she genuinely wants to help men and boys I think there's a big gap between not wanting to harm, and wanting to help. There's a bunch of issues that concern people when it comes to equality, and making the best possible society. As I see it, she's focusing on womens issues, and that's fine, they do have legitimate issues. But I don't see her stepping in the way of men's issues, and that's a hell of a lot better than most feminists. I'll use myself as an example. I'm an MRA. I focu…
/r/MensRights22/02/16 07:17 PM
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I guess we disagree about her presentation then. She never seemed like more than an anti-feminist feminist to me. Never presenting as championing issues for men I mean.
/r/MensRights22/02/16 05:54 PM
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I had expected something more astute, though I don't know why. Paul Elam has sucessfully pinned down someone who never pretended to be an MRA as not being an MRA, and sells it as gossip journalism.
/r/MensRights22/02/16 03:42 PM
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Dude, you're cool.
/r/MensRights22/02/16 03:32 PM
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Copy and reverse "Matriarchy" and "Patriarchy" both seem like stupid terms to me. It would worry me because I'd see a serious usage of the word as bullshit.
/r/MensRights22/02/16 02:43 PM
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Whew, I was really worried we had started copying feminist terminology.
/r/MensRights22/02/16 08:07 AM
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Explains this "should know better". Are you saying you can't teach a 16 year old better? What is knowing better? Than to have sex? They are breaking laws that are in place. Kids under the age of consent may want something, but not be aware of the full scope of the consequences. They may want something, but in the eyes of the law, they are not fit to make such a desicion. When an adult fucks a kid, they are putting their own value judgement over the laws they're under. Hold accountable for what? …
/r/MensRights22/02/16 07:44 AM
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Matriarchy? Really?
/r/MensRights21/02/16 10:15 PM
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Is it damaging to the 16 year old to have sex with a 40 year old It may be, but it probably isn't and not damaging when they go around fucking a room full of 16 year olds in a rainbow party? It may be, but probably isn't. In only one of these circumstances is there a legal adult to hold accountable because they should know better. If you fuck kids under the age of consent, their willingness to go along with it doesn't matter, that's what age of consent is all about.
/r/MensRights21/02/16 10:08 PM
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Im not talking about finding some random passed out person and "waking them up with sex". I'm talking about SO's as well. [.] Just like you are. We're pretty much in agreement You involved random people to try to prop up your argument with changing goal posts. No, I never mentioned randoms. If you try to fuck someone without gathering consent, you're attempting to rape them. As in the case of a sleeping SO. Am I correct if I assume you believe implied consent to be sufficient? Because that could…
/r/MensRights21/02/16 10:00 PM
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So you aren't talking about consenting strangers, or consenting SO's. I'm having trouble making sense of your argument now.
/r/MensRights21/02/16 09:53 PM
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Once one person age 20-40 fucks a 16 year old, suddenly its traumatizing as rape? Once you're 20-40, you're accountable for that shit. When you're in a position of power over kids and start treating your work as your dating pool, that's something that should be punished.
/r/MensRights21/02/16 09:52 PM
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Well, that post sounds like it's doing fine in TRP, keep it over there.
/r/MensRights21/02/16 09:47 PM
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Ah, I wasn't refering to the model, I'm kind of seeing the Model as the crayon stuffed up the retards nose when he was five, it's a contributing factor to the retardation.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/16 09:41 PM
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I wouldn't be trying to wake "random passed out persons" to get their consent for a grope/sex session. Hey, if you want to rape them in their sleep, that's on you.
/r/MensRights21/02/16 09:39 PM
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I'd say it depends on the age of the people involved. As well as the relationship between assaulter and assaultee.
/r/MensRights21/02/16 09:38 PM
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Okay, so you're talking about someone who's neither random nor and SO, and I'm talking about SO's and other long term partners. That may be why we're talking past each other. Seeing as you haven't clarified your position, I can't really comment further on the presence or lack of merit to it.
/r/MensRights21/02/16 09:36 PM
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The more you know (I just googled it as well).
/r/MensRights21/02/16 06:04 PM
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This sounds a lot like legalizing martial rape. I mean, if you're stupid enough to date a rapist, you shouldn't be surprised if you're raped.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/16 06:02 PM
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Yes, "I as well." Or "I am also talking about that, just like you are."
/r/MensRights21/02/16 06:01 PM
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Is the morale that selling your brother is cool, or that going to prison is fun if youre psycic?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/16 05:57 PM
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I think erring on the side of caution is the right thing to do here. Some people have serious issues with being fucked in their sleep, and if we assert it's not bad at some times, we have to decide when it's cool to fuck someone who's sleeping. Is it when they sleep in the same bed? Or when they've slept together more than three times? Or when they live together?
/r/MensRights21/02/16 05:28 PM
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No, it's gendered. http://www.theduluthmodel.org/pdf/PowerandControl.pdf
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/16 05:17 PM
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Malibu put it quite well actually. I don't think you should never surprise your partner, just have them concious to reply if you do.
/r/MensRights21/02/16 05:14 PM
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I'm talking about SO's as well. And I'm advocating for communication. Is this bad?
/r/MensRights19/02/16 03:14 PM
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Sorry, I don't get the reference you're going at here. Who's that?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/16 03:12 PM
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Yes. Good law, bad system enforcing it. Shoot the retard behind the shed and give the hammer to a carpenter.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/16 03:01 PM
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Yeah, the ones that get enough vodka to survive the winter. I'm just thinking that when Russia's reputation enters the argument against government overreach with an example of how government overreach is applied in a good way, that's when I call quits on getting anything constructive out of it. Correct me if I'm wrong, but this seems to be going towards a very left-wing / right-wing discussion?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/16 02:59 PM
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Yeah because this totally won't be hard to prosecute or prove. That's a good thing. It's easy to prove if your account is being leeched, it's way harder to prove if you felt bad because your SO said you're fat. It totally won't ever be the result of one woman being too sensitive. Nowadays she just cries rape in that case. And I'm sure it'd be used against a wife sometime before the heat death of everything Then we agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/16 02:52 PM
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Okay, I think you're pushing this logic way too far now. If you try to fuck someone without gathering consent, you're attempting to rape them. Now, if you at one point go "What do you think about being woken up by sex" there's a number of different responses, for example "Sure, go with it, then we'll find out if I'm in the mood." That will continue being the working rule until it's reworked into something different. Look, I'm not defending the idiotic feminist "PIV is rape" or "refusing to chang…
/r/MensRights19/02/16 02:49 PM
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Take Russia for example. Okay, I think this discussion has passed peak constructiveness. Thanks though, your input has helped.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/16 02:43 PM
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It must also have had a “serious effect” on the victim. It is explicitly stated that the victim must either “fear that violence will be used against them on at least two occasions” or “been caused serious alarm or distress” enough to disrupt their day-to-day activities. Yep, pretty straight forward. If you fuck someone up, you should get a stern talking to, and possibly prison time.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/16 01:54 PM
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You can get a relationship with surprisingly little interpersonal skill (citation: experience). But theorizing about getting out of something abusive is not really helpful, you're obviously a strong individual yourself, but not everyone has the resourcefulness to get out before it's too late. I just want to give the retard the hammer, make him tell me about the bunny farm, then give the hammer to someone more reasonable.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/16 01:02 PM
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I certainly don't feel very second class. You're referring to a retarded justice system full of mostly good laws. If we fixed the problem of unequal treatment in the system, this law would benefit people being abused by their partners across the board. As it is now, yeah, innocent men will probably be imprisoned. I'll be super callous here and say that the injustice needs to be more glaringly obvious to convince more people that we need a reform.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/16 12:48 PM
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I see the law as an attempt to protect people who are in abusive relationships. It makes "I'm afraid to see my friends or leave my girlfriend becuase she says she'll accuse me of rape, right now she's financially abusing me" something the police are capable of dealing with. Not everyone can handle their own business, some get in too deep, and some need help. Will this be abused? Yeah. Is the justice system going to unfairly focus on women victims? You bet. But that's not because the law is bad, …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/16 12:42 PM
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Rape by a rather literal and reasonable definition I'd say.
/r/MensRights19/02/16 10:59 AM
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This is a good law. It handles behavior that should be criminal, but isn't. It's put into a bad system, which routinely discriminates based on the gender of the alleged perpetrator and victim. Keep calling out the legal system on its dysfunction, the first step to fight a bias is to be aware of it, and be aware of why it's bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/16 10:15 AM
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Not sure how this relates to the subreddit, care to explain?
/r/MensRights18/02/16 02:46 PM
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Of course it's hypocritical. They like their own humor, but don't want anyone else to have it. I won't get on that level and tell anyone what they can or can't joke about. While they see jokes as punches, I see them as attempts to tickle. Sometimes tickling can hurt, sometimes you don't feel it, in their case, they're so thin skinned most jokes leave bruises.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/16 06:32 AM
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Teach them about their sexuality. How it tends to be visual, and that it's okay to feel the way you do when you see something arousing. Teach them about protection, how to apply a condom and the benefits of it. Tell them that sex doesn't carry an obligation, so they can avoid being emotionally pressured into something because they had sex with someone.
/r/MensRights17/02/16 08:55 PM
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Did you check what the other guy got? And have you checked /r/MensRightsLinks
/r/MensRights17/02/16 07:41 PM
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I honestly don't see the humor in it. Thing is, this is what the radfems say when they get called on it, and I for one don't want to take humor away from a group, that's the first step to other and close down discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/16 06:26 AM
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If we were censoring jokes about people with high suicide rates, we'd only be able to joke about cis women. Is this the offending comment? This is using what I perceive to be pro PC logic to call out a double standard. A double standard that I mean is working to turn tragedy into a competitive event It really seems we're both anti suffering here.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/16 07:58 PM
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I'd assume that suicides are generally not a crime of passion, yeah. Not everyone needs to plan ahead for a tendency to be true. I do believe that men tend to be more successful because they tend to seek solutions while women tend to seek help. The facts still stand though. More men kill themselves than women, the fact that men's mental health is a more serious case is clear cut. But how is this related? The metric in question was suicide rates. I argued that if that is a metric that should be t…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/16 06:44 PM
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People who want to die know how to die. People who want attention know how to get attention. Seeing as the subject was suicide rates, not attempted suicide rates, I don't see how I stepped out of the theme of the discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/16 06:13 PM
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Yet is quite PC, since men aren't an oppressed group.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/16 05:59 PM
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The increased number of suicides and depression among gays or transgender people alone should be enough to understand that being the butt of too many jokes can be unhealthy. Sure, being the butt of too many jokes can be unhealthy. But the serious comments are way more harmful. A gay joke is still a joke, someone saying "homosexuality is a sin" is less of a joke. "Die cis scum" is a joke, as is "kill all men." If we were censoring jokes about people with high suicide rates, we'd only be able to j…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/16 12:27 PM
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I am a minority in several ways, I still don't like political correctness. Though, I don't like identity politics either, your credentials should be from your ideas, not your connection to a group. Being the butt of a joke is healthy, social exclusion based on over sensitivity and self censorship are unhealthy, pretty simple.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/16 11:10 AM
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You're welcome, do make sure to read them before you use them though, I found a bunch of these a bit tricky.
/r/MensRights12/02/16 03:14 PM
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I'll give it a shot, I've gathered some research papers during the months. This isn't all pro though, I've tried to gather both good and bad research with all kinds of conclusions A Norwegian paper about gender differences from 2010 Looking at women as the perpetrators of domestic violence 1999 A detailed look at alimony 2011 Men as victims of IPV 2007 Sex discrimination of restaurant hires 1995. I've found it lacking in methodology Blind orchestra auditions and the effect on the genders. 2000 S…
/r/MensRights12/02/16 08:29 AM
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Well, you'd better realize that nobody likes the radical notion that people vote for policies. /s
/r/MensRights12/02/16 07:53 AM
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Oh yeah, I see this kind of like the Sun taking the page 3 girls for the media boost around itself. Though, I hope this isn't a bluff on either side, I'd love to sit back and watch PUA's and feminists play chicken when they're both too stubborn to swerve.
/r/MensRights03/02/16 10:14 PM
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Seems like an utterly deplorable man, true. And I don't think much better of his fans either. But the massing to "stop the rapists from gathering" is silly, this goes under the right to assembly though, and them collecting to socialize is completely fair. I kind of hope this is going to be the time feminism bites over more than it can chew. So many people are getting up in arms about this, the way I see it, either the PUA's chicken out, or some feminist goons will try to forcibly silence them. N…
/r/MensRights03/02/16 10:07 PM
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You're both informative and proving my point moot. Well played.
/r/MensRights01/02/16 09:40 PM
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And that's why we're not intersectional feminists.
/r/MensRights01/02/16 12:26 PM
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Oh, let's go for gay black men then. SJW's will concern rape anyone who's high enough on the progressive stack.
/r/MensRights01/02/16 12:04 PM
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But that's not going to fly with the SJW crowd, they don't give a shit about men. I know that is what we want, but let's package it so they'll go along with it.
/r/MensRights01/02/16 11:35 AM
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A completely reasonable position.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/16 11:30 AM
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It is. Not reporting any false accusations is a good thing. Now, we don't know from the beginning of an accusation whether it is true or not. And then the media is left with an issue: Report all accusations, or report no accusations.
/r/MensRights01/02/16 11:28 AM
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Thanks, I've been thinking about that issue a lot, about how to fix it I mean. But the only way I could think of to fix it wasn't crazy enough for the MRM, but please, I'd like to see radfems advocate for "blind justice" hell, I'd support it.
/r/MensRights01/02/16 01:27 AM
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Let's try this again: Who in the MRM is going to be surprised about a false rape claim?
/r/MensRights01/02/16 01:07 AM
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Who in the MRM is going to be surprised about a false rape claim?
/r/MensRights01/02/16 01:02 AM
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Brilliantly written indeed. Someone's got entitlement rammed so far up their ass they can't see who needs a reverse sensitivity training. Those who lose money should be fired, not those who can't be asked to find one of the few woman entrepreneurs out there. If a business loses money, it will find a way to stop that. And I can guarantee that getting "more women" and "treating them right" isn't the answer. This is the exact shit that keeps people, especially small companies, away from hiring wome…
/r/MensRights01/02/16 01:00 AM
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Ah, but that's the thing. Patriarchy is the thing that forces women to become nurses in stead of miners. They just want to dismantle patriarchy by forcing women to do what they really want, which is to make up their fair share in the workplace accident statistic of course.
/r/MensRights01/02/16 12:51 AM
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Reform the justice system. Racism infiltrates our courts to the core. We need a way of leading court proceedings that is not at all reliant on the identity of perpetrator or victim. For example a judge and jury that doesn't get to see the perpetrator, just learn the facts about the crime explained in gender neutral terms Because men are given longer sentences, and women are more often allowed to go free. Demand a new model for domestic abuse, so that it is friendlier to the LGBT community. Gay m…
/r/MensRights01/02/16 12:49 AM
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I wasn't trying to lay down an absolute, I'm not that much of a biological determinist that I think we're ruled exclusively by our hormone levels. But you do mention an interesting case though. And I should have noted that "affect" is to a small degree in my mind, seeing as I break the rule myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/16 12:09 AM
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Okay, I'll pretend I know jack here (speaking in averages, I know there are those who work outside my proposed reality): These are famous men. They have some good features, but I'd argue that they are found attractive by because they are famous. For a man, looking at a total stranger will yield some arousal if they're scantily clad and average looking or better. In short, men have a visual based sexuality. My line of thought here is that women are attracted to men on a more emotional level. A pe…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/16 12:04 AM
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Okay, I had never thought of this. But it makes sense. I'll do that little "reptile brain" thing for the sake of my argument here, so many of our decisions are made in the subconsciousness and reasoned out by higher thinking in a very "confirmation bias" way. Testosterone affecting our politics? I wouldn't doubt it. Men are already born risk takers, and testosterone is connected to your physical ability to take risks. An un-socialist political view carries a lot of risk, if you're willing to tak…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/16 11:29 PM
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I think feminism is almost coming around on the wage gap myth. I mean, there's a bunch of stubborn ones digging in their heels, but the ones I've seen lately have been changing up the game. Now I've been seeing the "Yes it's different choices, but that's the point!" replacing the "No, women are being discriminated against." They say it like that's always been the point of course, but let's do this one step at a time.
/r/MensRights31/01/16 11:06 PM
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Ah, thanks. I had already concluded women and men abuse their kids to more or less equal levels. But I'll check out A-Magasinet, it's nice to know that Norway hasn't fallen down the same pit Sweeden did.
/r/MensRights31/01/16 10:47 PM
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You're welcome. Look at it, think about what's said, have another watch, and then understand why the statistic is bad.
/r/MensRights31/01/16 10:24 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5XMuTAomNk&index=4&list=PLytTJqkSQqtr7BqC1Jf4nv3g2yDfu7Xmd Christina Hoff Sommers, the best with facts.
/r/MensRights31/01/16 10:10 PM
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That's a great article about a sensitive subject. I had given up on Norwegian media, but it seems like it still has some fairness. It's fascinating really, how sympathy and understanding is handed out to women by default across so many cultures.
/r/MensRights31/01/16 10:01 PM
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Oh and: I consider my self allied with the movement so far, meaning that I believe at this point in time, for the time being, it is fighting a good fight. I agree completely. If there hadn't been legal disparity in the western world, I would not have considered myself an MRA. I do think that the MRM has set goals that are not just cultural policing though.
/r/MensRights31/01/16 07:02 PM
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To preface this, I'll take a page out of the "DoctorRandomerCam" book and say: "Do you believe that men should have the right to be treated fairly by the justice system? If yes, you're advocating for men's rights." The rest is just labeling, nobody should force labels on others, and people understandably shy away from saying they're an MRA, because of the social consequences. How do you feel about egalitarianism, or the "equalist"/"humanist" movement? Call yourself whatever you want. I only care…
/r/MensRights31/01/16 06:48 PM
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As I said though, the problem is the media have been doing their absolute hardest to surpress all these other cases along with the police. My point exactly. It's got to be hard to be the media, I bet, but they have to be able to walk the line between "let's pretend it didn't happen" and "Let's treat accusers as infallible."
/r/MensRights31/01/16 05:27 PM
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Oh, I have no problem with nobody jumping to conclusions. What I have a problem with is the apparent double standard of the media, where alleged rapes seem to get full media coverage, if the accused is a white man. And from what information I've gathered, that is what has been happening in German media, thus the outrage.
/r/MensRights31/01/16 05:02 PM
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I thought the outrage was primarily about the media silence that kept on showing itself in German media?
/r/MensRights31/01/16 04:39 PM
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Absolutely right. In that case I'll have to expand it from one in thirty feminists are really bad to one in thirty feminists are either really good or really bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/16 11:45 AM
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That's actually true. I can't believe that didn't cross my mind. I guess it's because I haven't seen it happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/16 11:43 AM
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Ah, that doesn't show on my screen for some reason. Anyway. Let's not attempt to undermine the study further and in stead go to the talking points. 50% of men consider themselves "not feminist" while 52% of men think feminism blames men unfairly. Again: 5% of men are anti-feminist, and still (assuming anti-feminists all feel men are blamed unfairly), there's 47% of men who are not anti, but still feel they are unfairly targeted by feminist rhetoric. I think this speaks volumes about how taboo it…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/16 01:27 AM
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It seems there's very little to take from this. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it looks like this is a questionnaire that has been given to a non-random group (readers of the Washington Post). As a discussion piece? based on what I've seen about feminist numbers in other circumstances, we could ask the question "Does the washington post appeal more to feminists than to normal people?"
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/16 12:52 AM
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That is a good question. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-SlUpuP7sw Not defending it, just lightly condemning it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKIulmmfcug "I can't condone this, but it's such good entertainment" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnXCPcq_RTY I didn't find anyone users preaching for it, but that's national TV, that's a step up in my book. Also "Boyfriend revenge" and "girlfriend revenge" are depressing searches.
/r/MensRights30/01/16 04:28 PM
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Pretty much, yeah. It's good to know that the news watch out for this oppression though, otherwise we might focus on less important issues, like the legal system, or circumcisions.
/r/MensRights30/01/16 10:29 AM
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I wouldn't say it's all fiction. I mean, wage gap, sure. But rapes exist, and society should still work towards minimizing it. But legal disparity clearly needs recognition in the political sphere. Recognition and proposed solutions.
/r/MensRights30/01/16 10:26 AM
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Thanks, how do I archive a page?
/r/MensRights30/01/16 10:23 AM
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The striking part here though: Both the Home Office and the Department for Education have slipped back since 2011. That year, the DfE had more women than men in its senior team – 57% – but the figure has now fallen to 43%. Before, they were 57%, that was good, now they are 43%, that is bad. It needs to be 50+%, doesn't it? Oh, and I did notice women are 54% of the labor force. But that's not what feminism is about, is it? It's all about the powerful positions. After all, in patriarchy it is who'…
/r/MensRights30/01/16 12:04 AM
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Because 99% of everything is invented by men. Baseless claim Boys, especially nowadays, need to be proud of the fact that they are male and the accomplishments of men Being proud of your gender for what someone who shared that aspect with you is bullshit. Don't be proud to be a man, don't be proud to be a woman, be proud of your own accomplishments. If you inherit pride from male inventors, you inherit shame from male dictators. and realize that men inventing and building everything is obviously…
/r/MensRights29/01/16 10:57 PM
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Excellent, we may soon welcome the US into the modern world. Has anyone seen any organizations react to this? Or know what their position is in general?
/r/MensRights29/01/16 10:20 PM
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Good work. You help raising the bar in this place.
/r/MensRights29/01/16 09:58 PM
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Kudos, you took the troll at face value.
/r/MensRights29/01/16 09:48 PM
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I'm assuming you didn't notice that it was the first 15 he looked up and out of that first 15 there were nine who were frauds. I did. And when we're talking about such a low number, the risk that he got all nine frauds in the first one is not something we can just ignore. He did not demonstrate "most," he demonstrated "most of my arbitrary selection." He claims fact in the absence of evidence. Pfft, prob making the coffee. This is what I'm talking about, your general message seems to be "women a…
/r/MensRights29/01/16 09:36 PM
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But not the rights of everyone, or anyone for that matter. This article refutes some not too important claims. Though says "most" are BS when he's found 9 out of 40 to be BS.
/r/MensRights29/01/16 08:53 PM
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Okay, so to dumb it down: Feminist organization: "We don't like these people." Decision reached "We don't like the believes of these people." Feminists defending this "We don't like their friends." Right?
/r/MensRights29/01/16 08:45 PM
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Do we know what causes this? I'm far from an Illinois lawyer, are there laws to check men, or does the department just put it in their guidelines themselves?
/r/MensRights29/01/16 08:40 PM
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I'm at a loss here. How does this affect men's rights?
/r/MensRights29/01/16 08:35 PM
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Ah, that explains it, I suck with music.
/r/MensRights29/01/16 08:16 PM
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I don't get it, what's the joke, and why do people hate you?
/r/MensRights29/01/16 07:56 PM
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Old man's got a point. The difference in how sexuality works in men and women is pretty self evident, and from there on out it's mostly common sense holding the argument together.
/r/MensRights29/01/16 02:32 PM
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Some of the women who fought for the right to vote are now dead... STILL COUNTS /s
/r/MensRights29/01/16 01:53 PM
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But really though, I get it. It's satire, you just have to go in with the idea that: "Feminism is evidently the best ideology, and any feminist would be able to reason this with anyone, no instructions needed."
/r/MensRights29/01/16 12:58 PM
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And then he answers "If you think men should have human rights, you're inherently an MRA." 20 minutes later he's arrested for intimate partner violence.
/r/MensRights29/01/16 12:55 PM
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"If you're not a feminist then you're a misogynist." Simple shaming tactic. When you don't have a logical leg to stand on, claim the moral high ground. Now, let's change the sentence: If you don't believe both genders should have equal opportunity, you're a misogynist. This is false though, you may place either women or men on top of your stack. For feminism to be the only movement in favor of equal rights, it has to exclude all those who think one gender is lesser than others Then we come to in…
/r/MensRights29/01/16 12:48 PM
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Wow, that was quick. It's almost like it was always like that or something.
/r/MensRights29/01/16 12:21 AM
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I agree in general. But do you see it more as a chosen association, or one that is more thrust upon the groups because they're all "misogynists" in feminist eyes? I'll admit I'm not solid on the history of the movements.
/r/MensRights29/01/16 12:18 AM
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Yeah, I mean. How do you agree with that quote? It's a great test though, if you can't convince the person you're talking to that the statement is false, you may as well save your time and walk away. Or continue, if there's an audience, because they're obviously batshit.
/r/MensRights29/01/16 12:15 AM
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The "Manosphere" seems to be the umbrella term for places on the internet primarily inhabited by men, and who feminists see as misogynists. In the public opinion it can't be split. Take me for example: I'm for men's rights (duh), I'm for trying to change this through awareness and activism, I'm for calling out anyone and everyone who tries to infringe upon men's rights, or who somehow work against their advancement (looking at traditionalists and feminists). I'm not for trying to cheat the syste…
/r/MensRights29/01/16 12:13 AM
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It's nice to keep in the back of the mind if someone ever claims that "If women ruled there would be no war." But then again "Women are the primary victims of war" So I guess they know best /s
/r/MensRights28/01/16 11:58 PM
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I guess that's a valid point. I forget to operate from a feminist viewpoint, so I just look at the study and go "What's the point? You're proving the world is normal." The claim is not extraordinary, and the proof isn't either.
/r/MensRights28/01/16 09:41 PM
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I'm pretty sure those guys do mostly drivel. But I agree with them this time, it's a form of shock activism.
/r/MensRights28/01/16 08:44 PM
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I'll agree with you on that point. And I think there's a big distinction to be made between people who got voted in, and people who grew up in wealth and then inherited that wealth and status.
/r/MensRights28/01/16 08:14 PM
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Well fuck. I'll just keep it in mind for the next troll.
/r/MensRights28/01/16 07:43 PM
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Ah shit. I'll make an edit, it's easy to forget Poe
/r/MensRights28/01/16 07:19 PM
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I don't get it?
/r/MensRights28/01/16 07:18 PM
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Yep, I saw a troll, and I decided on joining the parody.
/r/MensRights28/01/16 07:13 PM
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Yes! Let us all convert to Islam, that way we will be impervious to Feminist criticism! I know what you want to say "But islamists are just as traditionalist as the feminists, if not more!" To that I say pishposh, traditionalism allways wins out in the end. Edit: /s for those who were wondering
/r/MensRights28/01/16 06:50 PM
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Okay, I'm not quite sure here. But is dietary advice a case for /r/MensRights ? I think there may be a lacking relevance here.
/r/MensRights28/01/16 06:46 PM
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I like the initiative. We have it the other way as a culture, and turning the tables for one event might actually foster some empathy between both genders. Keep doing your thing.
/r/MensRights28/01/16 06:17 PM
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It's a dance. It's a community fun-ish, opt in kind of thing. You could say it is sexist against women because they have to choose. You could say it is sexist against men because they have to be chosen. And you could flip the script in any normal dance. If there's one thing you take away from this: Relax, nobody gains if we're trigger happy on actual accusations.
/r/MensRights28/01/16 05:53 PM
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Wait a minute, I read this one before. Wasn't it "married queens" are more likely to start wars? And, I mean, there's little to be gained from this research overall, we're kind of short on royalty with war waging powers.
/r/MensRights28/01/16 05:42 PM
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Don't take it seriously. Meninism, started as and still is a joke, because the Men's Right's Movement isn't an ideology like feminism. Say meninism in jest, say it to offend, those that shut you out at the mere mention won't listen when you talk about legal disparity, they will mentally label you a misogynist.
/r/MensRights28/01/16 05:28 PM
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Have fun being feminist comics. Don't worry, roleplaying games and computer games will still take refugees. I'd stay clear of computer games though, they're buckling under the weight of Tumblirinas. I literally thought this was just a SJW censoring a comic.
/r/MensRights28/01/16 02:33 AM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HEr8zmVEZQ I hate to be lazy like this, but the issue has been covered. Watch from minute 11 to see the dry cleaning bit (09:12 for the whole bit)
/r/MensRights28/01/16 02:16 AM
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You're all right in my book.
/r/MensRights28/01/16 12:51 AM
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For a second I thought you were calling me Clementine. But yeah. I want her to be as famous as any other batshit feminist. Some feminists become more radical, the rest drop their faith and move on. The more radical feminists will spew out a new one, let's call her Tangerine Skoda. Tangerine will be even more hateful, radicalize another chunk, and drive away the rest. Pretty soon, feminists suicide bomb and have a public approval of 0.1%
/r/MensRights28/01/16 12:47 AM
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Oh yeah. I was just in a very accusing mood. I won't really believe the claim that she is a feminist until I see her say so herself though, what you are should be decided by yourself, not those who dislike you. But I think this video could get a better home in /r/wtf or something like that. She fucks dog, she's not hurting people, let the vegans chew her out for having a sex slave.
/r/MensRights28/01/16 12:43 AM
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it has been done in history oral sex (dog tongues) No pregnancy risk No STD's (but you might be allergic to the sperm) Cave people did it It's legal in some countries and states Some people think of it as a kink It's convenient Dogs don't talk It's easy to teach your dog to fuck you I don't advocate for the validity of these arguments, I wrote them down so you didn't have to cringe through all that. But: I've watched through her videos, checked her twitter, tumblr and facebook. No, not feminist.…
/r/MensRights28/01/16 12:06 AM
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Why the fuck would anyone want to take this down? Every single podcast is bound to be a gold mine of detestable statements.
/r/MensRights27/01/16 11:44 PM
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I think you have a point. There's a disparity between the portrayal of the genders in the media. But I think we should aim higher as a movement, there are genuine legal disparities to handle, literal systemic issues that need attention. That's why I see the complaint of "media portrayal" largely inconsequential. Like we're becoming a mirror movement to feminism where meaningless social differences are the entire focus. Jokingly referring to a man as a dog won't normalize genital mutilation, nor …
/r/MensRights27/01/16 11:10 PM
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Yeah, I made a bad analogy. I'll stand by the point that we shouldn't be hypersensitive, but should have worded myself better. What's your take on it?
/r/MensRights27/01/16 10:42 PM
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Misanthropic christmas day is apparently on January 27th, who knew?
/r/MensRights27/01/16 08:13 PM
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Excellent. Thanks for pointing me to it.
/r/MensRights27/01/16 06:46 PM
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You're correct, I wasn't intellectually honest when making that comparison. I was trying to push back against the apparent outrage in the title of this post, as I'm very opposed to getting offended when people write something for the sake of humor. The title may have been a flip on the usual "Look at these men talking about women like they're animals, I'm offended!" In that case my head is miles below the flight path of this joke. It would be ironically fitting if I complained about people takin…
/r/MensRights27/01/16 05:11 PM
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Thanks, it's nice to know that there's some common sense around.
/r/MensRights27/01/16 04:19 PM
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He's already gone. I hate how these trolls disappear before they crash and burn.
/r/MensRights27/01/16 03:43 PM
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And I'll substantiate this claim: Right now, ignoring stickies: http://np.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/42tqyl/canadian_feminists_block_creation_of_on_campus/ Not attacking women, but calling feminists on fighting against men's issues. https://np.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/42xe7t/martin_daubney_advertisers_now_portray_men_the/ Social commentary, with a difference of opinion about whether we should care about media portrayals of men as a men's issue. https://np.reddit.com/r/MensRights/co…
/r/MensRights27/01/16 03:37 PM
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Let's pretend citations aren't needed. Let's pretend what happens on the front page are attacks on women. You'll find those are legal issues, and attacks on feminists. If you step back from the identity politics, you will see that the gender doesn't matter. Be you a male cunt or a female cunt, you'll attacked nonetheless.
/r/MensRights27/01/16 02:51 PM
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You're completely right. Harassment isn't the way to deal with it, it's too "mob justice"-y. The point I'd make though is that it's hard to feel any sympathy for someone so obviously horrible.
/r/MensRights27/01/16 02:06 PM
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Oh come on. This is no more hateful than any "how to make her suck your dick" articles. Don't do the feminist hypersensitive double morale, he's literally telling women be kind to their men lest they are beaten.
/r/MensRights27/01/16 01:37 PM
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Come on girl, you can do it. Just flip the case, you're the victim here if you just do some crying on camera.
/r/MensRights27/01/16 12:19 PM
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Holy fuck that second link. Solid posting, and infuriating pandering. Well, I'm convinced.
/r/MensRights27/01/16 12:13 PM
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Cuz men, like, advertise their flaccid dicks all over the place Dude they did complain about the unsolicited dickpics. Don't you usually get laid by spamming reddit accounts with your cock? And if you go about it differently... What's your secret?
/r/MensRights27/01/16 12:10 PM
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That's a actually happening? Because that's hilariously topsy turvy batshit.
/r/MensRights27/01/16 12:06 PM
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5 Why are you surprised when women are funny? Why are you surprised when women are abusive? Woow. Now that make me laugh. This is good though, if we get enough answers we could average them out and answer on behalf of all men. Let's see they had like four chicks, we shouldn't need any more. Do you have any credentials that makes you meet the diverse man quota?
/r/MensRights27/01/16 12:05 PM
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Thanks mate, this really throws some light on the case. Looks like the monopoly on activism is being upheld.
/r/MensRights27/01/16 11:51 AM
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So if cops are the enemy, who apprehends the rapists? A mob? Maybe we should employ female ex rape victims as cops. They'd know how it feels, and what to do. Then we'd have an all woman jury, so that they know what the victim went through. And a judge who was raped, so she can evenly and fairly make sure justice is served. I won't talk for feminists though, consider the previous musings clear signs of my unraveling sanity. I'd love to talk with some of them, it's always best when my ideas are be…
/r/MensRights27/01/16 02:12 AM
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Oooooh, well ain't I glad I'm not going to a social worker with my issues then. Thanks mate.
/r/MensRights27/01/16 01:57 AM
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I wouldn't say religion. But doctrine. Feminism is the religion, women are the huddled masses, men are the embodiment of evil, And the popular feminists are their saints.
/r/MensRights27/01/16 01:53 AM
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Just pasting my other comment here: Hell, I have nothing better to do: 1 How does it feel to be the same sex as Donald Trump How does it feel to be the same species as Hitler? 2 Why do you hate romcoms? I don't, I don't care about them though, and if that's what you mean: Intro > Hookup > Argument > Reunion. A movie is not enough time to make me care about the characters. 3 Why do you make women sit around and talk about men in movies, when you'll easily sit around and talk about boobs for hours…
/r/MensRights27/01/16 01:51 AM
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I may be misunderstanding. "The hand" is that the pimpslap? I haven't heard that expression outside of my native language before.
/r/MensRights27/01/16 01:45 AM
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True, and this is what it will come back to if it's wrong. We know this. "But MRA's point to feminists all the time, even when it's not feminists. Now look at this exact specific example."
/r/MensRights27/01/16 01:17 AM
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It's Reddit, not Skype, no hurry. And thanks yourself, friendly discussions are a good way to make sure I'm not a victim of "othering" yet.
/r/MensRights26/01/16 11:21 PM
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My issue here is that I'm new to the case, and I want to remain skeptical. That's why I want sources before I put in support for blaming feminists.
/r/MensRights26/01/16 11:19 PM
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Okay, from the link here I only see an announcement that the creation was rejected. Do we have any sources about actual feminists blocking it?
/r/MensRights26/01/16 10:43 PM
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Okay, I see no further point in this. These points are not backed by anything but individual cases, anecdotal evidence and confirmation bias. You have been informative about what your point of view is and I appreciate your honesty, thanks for the discussion.
/r/MensRights26/01/16 09:55 PM
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I really don't see power as "power over". I agree, especially when it comes to societal power, most of it is opt in. I don't feel I am a victim so much as an actor engaging with it. Exactly where my thoughts went. I don't see it as blame so much as pragmatism. Okay, I've pinned you down as less of an SJW type person, but it's hard to find areas I disagree with you. What is your opinion on such things as "consent training" and "don't be that guy" campaigns, this is one of the more recent things I…
/r/MensRights26/01/16 09:41 PM
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And women murder men everyday and go scott free. Example: http://news.yahoo.com/mayor-suburban-los-angeles-city-killed-004242603.html http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/2016/jan/15/julie-harper-sentenced-murder/ Examples are worthless, we know this. If we're arguing about women being impervious to the legal system, pull up the fact that men are given 60% longer sentences for equal crimes. Unless you're literally arguing that the VAWA literally makes it legal for women to be violent to men …
/r/MensRights26/01/16 08:28 PM
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Aw man. Why do all the idiots in the MRA have to be fake? Now how do we show the feminists how to clean their camp?
/r/MensRights26/01/16 02:09 PM
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If you are a beggar for sex, that's on you. This analogy doesn't hold up to scrutiny, but I'm curious. What would you want society to do to address the issue?
/r/MensRights26/01/16 01:41 PM
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Not sarcastic excellent, don't worry. And I totally agree about the individual cases being as important across the board, that should be a given. But what's your take on assigning blame? Is this a thing that should be done in society? Like saying, "95% of rapes are performed by men" or "most baby killing is done by mothers." Personally, I don't think calling out a group of people as more common perpetrators is useful in most circumstances. That usually results in fear mongering, and makes people…
/r/MensRights26/01/16 01:16 PM
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Oh yes. But did you never get offered a try at an interest when you were young, only to find out it wasn't for you? I'm not doubting she'll screw him up. But I don't think she'd try and force him into anything he clearly didn't like.
/r/MensRights26/01/16 01:07 PM
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Fuck no. Gender studies is as much pseudo science and Woo as an astrology department would have created.
/r/MensRights26/01/16 01:05 PM
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And thus the humor died.
/r/MensRights26/01/16 01:04 PM
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She isn't actually. I checked. She's American.
/r/MensRights26/01/16 01:03 PM
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Poorly informed, poorly placed joke then, my bad.
/r/MensRights26/01/16 01:01 PM
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Excellent. Fucking excellent. Looking at single issues takes the "feminism v anti-feminism" down a notch. Next, what do you think about such issues being gendered? (Examples: men's suicides / suicides; women's rapes / rapes; men's workplace deaths / workplace deaths; intimate partner violence / intimate partner violence against women). And if you don't have a rule for all of them, do you have a general go to rule about what a ratio has to be before it is an issue for only one gender?
/r/MensRights26/01/16 02:15 AM
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Thanks, this is what I've been wanting from this movement since I joined. I see a lot of articles and posts about what bad thing feminism is doing, and about individual cases of women abusing the legal system. What I want to see is something more like studies comparing gender biases, and calling to attention the issues that men face. On the other hand though, with the knowledge of the heavy bias against men in the legal system, would you say the patriarchy exists in the west?
/r/MensRights26/01/16 01:33 AM
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Don't have the time to get my own numbers, but I'll throw in the fact that there's hopefully a bit more to the cock than just the foreskin and the head. Should probably be a bunch of nerve endings there as well.
/r/MensRights26/01/16 01:22 AM
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“Mothers will systematically overestimate their sons’ crawling, and underestimate their daughters.'” That's great, totally makes up for hitting their sons more. Men are promoted based on potential, women on what they’ve proven. Oh wow, baseless assertion about what goes on inside people's head. Unless she's actually admitting to be a misogynist. A white-sounding name on a resumé versus a black-sounding name is worth eight years of work on a resumé I'll give her 2/10, probably trolling, dangerous…
/r/MensRights26/01/16 01:17 AM
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Haha, fuck that would be nice. I'm sure lots of guys would love to get out of the coal mine and get to be a secretary or a beauty blogger for a while.
/r/MensRights26/01/16 12:56 AM
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How do you get from preparing them for the real world of adult life, where virtually no one cares about your opinion or how you want to dress in your private time, to an authoritarian household? Ah, I'm sorry. I wasn't clear about that: "Preparing your children to be adults is what you should do. They should be responsible, and ready to contribute. There is a huge difference between bending over backwards catering to them and treating them like their opinions matter though." What I'm saying is t…
/r/MensRights26/01/16 12:44 AM
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No, this fits pretty well with horseshoe theory, and this is so far it's almost a circle by now. Pfft. Negro Please. But I will bet half of all female suicides have been from not fitting in. I'll bet half of all male suicides have been from not fitting in. Notice how neither one of these statements have a single fact backing them. men don't have laws that allow them to rape women legally, but women have laws and a court system that allows them to rape men financially legally. Laws were not my ob…
/r/MensRights26/01/16 12:26 AM
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"But men are the perpetrators!" Usually what I hear when the subject of violence against men shows up. Men are bad and women are weak, it's the underlying mantra of feminism. Hell, I'd say it's a cornerstone of the human psyche. Boy babies are more likely to be ignored when they cry, and they grow up to be more likely to be hit by their parents. I'll try an example here, and say the reason is that we're hardwired for this line of thought. The reason people have a knee jerk reaction of "this is s…
/r/MensRights25/01/16 11:43 PM
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Oh, no doubt she'll fuck him up. Though I don't think she'd do anything close to forcing him into something he didn't like. If she's fucking up, it's bound to be in a way where she encourages the activities she wants him to do, and actively discourages the more boyish thing. But she shows promise, she's got a shred of introspection, and that glow could be kindled, and allow her to actually get some perspectice.
/r/MensRights25/01/16 11:23 PM
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I did read to the end. To the very end, where she said she realized she wouldn't be getting a do-over. Because the plans she had for her daughter were shattered, and justly so. This is a person who saw her own sexism and is wrestling with it, she wants desperately to live through her child, but realizes it is wrong at the same time. But I agree though, the less she messes with the kid, the worse he will turn out. That's generally the reason why raising your child to be something doesn't really w…
/r/MensRights25/01/16 09:28 PM
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Good point.
/r/MensRights25/01/16 07:42 PM
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Our worldviews are very different. I have never dressed up for a job interview, nor have I dressed smart for a job. If you're a guy that handles customers, I get it, they want you to look okay. But what the hell, is there an office in the US where you have to dress formal, because your boss wants you to be aesthetically pleasing? I thought prostitution was mostly illegal over there. Sorry, I'll wind down, dress codes piss me off. Preparing your children to be adults is what you should do. They s…
/r/MensRights25/01/16 07:40 PM
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If we raised all the children gender neutral and wait for them to decide what they want, they may be less happy. May be. But I'm not talking about gender, I'm talking about placing your child in a box with a pre decided choice of interests, whether decided from class, or gender, or whatever. As for minority vs majority, I agree that the majority shouldn't be made less happy to cater to minorities. All I caution is that we shouldn't legally prohibit minorities from doing their minority thing unle…
/r/MensRights25/01/16 07:00 PM
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She's an Aussie, isn't she?
/r/MensRights25/01/16 05:50 PM
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Kids are already social experiments. As a parent, your guidance should be limited to making sure they grow up good, and let them explore whatever they can. Some children want solitude, some don't want "the system." We can't argue that things shouldn't be done because they're not socially accepted. That's empty traditionalist thinking.
/r/MensRights25/01/16 05:50 PM
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She's probably a good person. She probably actually wants equality. She's probably not very hateful But She is overly sensitive. She is superstitious (patriarchy). She is woefully misinformed. She has proved to be incapable of taking criticism and learning new things.
/r/MensRights25/01/16 05:13 PM
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Sure, I'd say the detecting if they like it is keeping the options open. Important thing is that we agree parents shouldn't put down mandates about what their kids should like. Edit: forgot a word
/r/MensRights25/01/16 05:09 PM
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I had a different take on it. It looks like she'll offer him dresses and ballet. I didn't read any forcing. Seems to me that offering your child every option and letting them decide is better than it would be to decide a category they should follow. Sure, if you go by gender, you'll hit 98% of the time, but who doesn't have an interest or like that's genderatypical? This has to be my most SJW comment ever. Edit: to many letters
/r/MensRights25/01/16 03:57 PM
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I'm overwhelmingly glad that you made an account to post this. Not many bros are as brave when they deal the trufbombs. /s
/r/MensRights24/01/16 11:13 PM
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But don't mock Denmark if you're not from Scandinavia, that's cultural appropriation /s
/r/MensRights24/01/16 03:41 PM
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I know. I was joking about the place. I'm Norwegian, and mocking our previous overlords is a right we claim. The fact that it's better than 184 other countries is nothing compared to the fact that we're #1 of course. I realize context might have been good.
/r/MensRights24/01/16 03:29 PM
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Denmark only looks cool because it's so close to Sweden. It's not even top three on the HDI.
/r/MensRights24/01/16 02:56 PM
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Super biased short and sweet: Sweden is feminist; Denmark is egalitarian. Sweden wants laws that discriminate; Denmark wants laws that don't discriminate. Sweden says changing diapers is the hardest work, and that men should do it; Denmark says people should figure that out on their own Sweden says men's issues can wait until men are oppressed; Denmark wants to handle that shit now. Sweden wants kids to be raised gender neutral (read, like girls); Denmark wants to focus on natural strengths and …
/r/MensRights24/01/16 12:51 PM
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You know the old saying: You gotta walk outside if you wanna get inside.
/r/MensRights23/01/16 05:36 PM
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Not that I’ve ever run a marathon, but I don’t think anyone would argue against gender neutral laws concerning rape–although I don’t know enough about the laws in India to confidently weigh in on this, but I am all for men expressing their emotions–but Not all of these men’s points were terrible or wrong. However! All hail, the queen of fucking weasel words. From Quartz: According to Deshpande, men are also victims of patriarchy They follow it up with a quote that doesn't mention the patriarchy …
/r/MensRights23/01/16 04:56 PM
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Feminism paints all men as rapist/abuser/child molesters and that is extremely toxic. I agree completely Women in the U.S. are just like women everywhere in that they are 'herd' creatures and it's an undisputed fact that women need to conform like the body needs oxygen. I.. What? When was the last time a woman died from lack of conformity? Toxic, unaccountable, petty, spiteful, back stabbing, male hating behavior is now the norm and women imitate each other as best as they can; whatever is 'in' …
/r/MensRights23/01/16 04:08 PM
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"Women," with no qualifier? I thought putting all members of one gender into one category was the Feminist thing to do. Do you mean "American women in general?" or something like that? Yeah, I know I'm language policing here, but that imprecise broad language is precisely why feminism is toxic.
/r/MensRights22/01/16 08:59 PM
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Yes, the argument that women who were raped could be dissuaded from reporting rape if we opened for the possibility of them being perpetrators being a bad thing, sounds like it could be a feminist argument. And in the case of feminists in Israel, it actually is. As for the Duluth model: It's horseshit, and it's feminist theory horseshit. Perfect example of how patriarchy theory plus real world issues poisons the solutions they cook up. But then again, I'm overly cautious when it comes to not ass…
/r/MensRights21/01/16 03:23 PM
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First, hadn't heard of that, the logic is indeed as stupid as it sounds. Second, Israel though, pretty backwards country already. All in all, it's not something I'd hold a western feminist to. There's already so much stupid done in their name, that this would make for a poor quote. I see this post was from 2010 by the way, any idea of what happened?
/r/MensRights21/01/16 01:30 PM
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It isn't, it's a feminist argument. Except, I've never even heard feminists argue that point, so I'd say it's a straw-feminist argument.
/r/MensRights21/01/16 09:49 AM
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Giving good guys attention, good thing. He told the New York Times he was also frightened by the groups committing the attacks, saying they had “lost their minds” on drink and drugs. This though, I realize the man must have been outside the "in" group. But hasn't there been evidence to show that these attacks were premeditated?
/r/MensRights20/01/16 11:43 PM
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That may be, but incredibly brilliant people can be idiots on certain areas. Some might be so due to emotional hangups, others might just have blindspots they never fully considered. There's a thousand things I've got an opinion on without all the relevant facts. For my part, I'd rather discuss a subject with someone on the other side, they may have information I've failed to consider.
/r/MensRights19/01/16 09:46 PM
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True, though as for PR, I think the MRM should stop criticizing feminism. They are by no means above criticism, but the MRM has so many legit talking points, that these should be what's in focus.
/r/MensRights19/01/16 08:28 PM
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I believe proudcanadian was down voted to that degree much because of how strongly people feel about the issue. Though, if you'd like to discuss MGM, I'll try and stay reasonable so we can be constructive.
/r/MensRights19/01/16 10:09 AM
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You have a valid point. If we remove the non-religious mutilation first, it would at least help a bunch. Would you agree though that extension of the law into full prohibition would be the next step? The way I see it, this should be the thing that the MRM fights hardest for.
/r/MensRights19/01/16 09:52 AM
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I think religious rights should not extend to cutting bits off infants. If adults want to self mutilate, go for it. If I demanded to cut the last joint off my child's finger on religious grounds, it should be denied. It it as unnecessary medical procedure, and it kills children every year.
/r/MensRights19/01/16 12:49 AM
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You have a point. Why not let the ones willing to do violence be the ones responsible for putting each other down? That might be what's happening to some degree actually.
/r/MensRights16/01/16 08:37 PM
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I've just started digging into the reading now, thanks for starting me off.
/r/MensRights16/01/16 12:32 AM
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That's interesting. Do you have any citations for that, and does it have comparisons by culture/gender? I mean, "These guys rape more, possibly because they're also raped more." Would be a powerful thing to say.
/r/MensRights16/01/16 12:20 AM
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My bad, I actually think both of those explanations could complement each other and stand, if this one is shown to have merit. My initial assumption was because of the title "An alternate theory," I wanted to make it clear that it shouldn't immediately replace the standing one.
/r/MensRights16/01/16 12:14 AM
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Interesting hypothesis, though I'd say going with the simpler solution of the quite vast culture gap is an explanation we shouldn't drop in favor of this. Do you have any ideas about how to test it? I mean, doing studies about sexual criminals, seeing if race, victimization and abuse line up for example. Or maybe just finding out how many young boys are victimized in some of those countries could help show some more correlation?
/r/MensRights15/01/16 11:52 PM
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Oh my god. A dueling channel... That would be fucking amazing. Consider me sold on the idea.
/r/MensRights15/01/16 11:41 PM
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Good shit, I'll do an edit.
/r/MensRights15/01/16 11:32 PM
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Gotta argue, I don't think duels would be good to society. It would just help killing more people due to trivial shit. And what if the rude obnoxious guy you challenge don't just say "no," but "No, you cunt." Not only does he refuse the duel (sure, he loses face), but he also insults you further, proving you to be utterly powerless.
/r/MensRights15/01/16 11:29 PM
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I think you're looking at the past through those nostalgia glasses again. It seems to me that thinking violence keeps us polite is like saying God keeps us from murdering people. Most people are pretty decent to each other now, and they probably would have been cool in the medieval time as well.
/r/MensRights15/01/16 11:24 PM
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Ah, thanks mate. I was living under a rock at the time. Would it be reasonable to say that 5 guys evolved into gamergate as a response to the articles?
/r/MensRights15/01/16 11:12 PM
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A game developer sucks a bunch of dicks One of those dicks writes positively about the game of said developer, without mentioning knowing the developer on a personal level. Five guys, burgers and fries starts from this, they follow the drama. Several articles are posted, declaring gamers to be dead. Gamergate is started because of this shit (I couldn't think of exactly what to call it) Game developer is/feels harassed, it might be by sympathizers with GG, or independent trolls, or possibly the g…
/r/MensRights15/01/16 10:38 PM
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Okay, I agree with the title. I think even though you're accused of a crime, you should not be splattered across the media. The problem isn't that those who cry "rape" aren't publicly shamed. It's that those who're cried "rape" at, are publicly shamed. Let's stop assuming crimes before the court is done coming to it's conclusion.
/r/MensRights14/01/16 11:08 PM
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Huh, I always figured the feminists as the most religious ones. I don't know anyone who'll instantly demonize unbelievers quite as ruthlessly and effectively.
/r/MensRights06/01/16 11:13 PM
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I think you might be reading too much into my coments. But I think I can understand, you're apparently in a couple of groups that receive near constant ridicule for their sets of beliefs. It's bound to leave you a bit defensive about the integrity of your arguments. But let's try and push our differences aside in this subreddit and agree on ridiculing the things that hurt men's rights, are you with me?
/r/MensRights06/01/16 01:07 PM
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Oh, sure, got nothing about religious people, but I'm still gonna ridicule sky daddies as a concept. You gotta remember that being atheist doesn't really describe anything but a disbelief of gods though.
/r/MensRights05/01/16 06:52 PM
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Christianity: the belief in an invisible benevolent force (God) Feminism: The belief in an invisible malign force (Patriarchy) America's right wing to the core, even your left is right of the center in many European countries. My point is though, criticise ideas, and if you feel a side has mostly bad ideas, critcise that side. But don't marry left and feminism in some kind of headcannon, just because feminists are left leaning as a rule.
/r/MensRights04/01/16 11:15 AM
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I'll throw in my agreement here. I'm quite new, so I don't want to go on too loud about what it's supposed to be, but I'll have to say that if "The Men's Rights subreddit is a place for those who wish to discuss men's rights and the ways said rights are infringed upon." is rule zero, this is not good with rule zero
/r/MensRights03/01/16 02:00 AM
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They linked to this http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2014-09-19/how-many-rape-reports-are-false article. Now, say what you want about Slate, but I did like that article, I've never liked the "false accusation" statistics, the absolutely worst one passed around is the "according to a study on 18 rape cases 90% of all accusations are false" I mean, let's not be dishonest. Would anyone like to weigh in? I'd love some opposing opinions here.
/r/MensRights02/01/16 10:04 PM
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I think it's important not to start pattern seeking when it comes to politics and human rights. It'd be too easy to put up a "men and rights vs women and lefts" kind of narrative. Agree on individidual issues, try to keep these issues separate, just a general rule I try to go with.
/r/MensRights01/01/16 08:27 PM
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Yeah, there's reason for caution here. Starting with your conclusion is a pretty feminist-y thing to do. The answer is already there, suicide-attempts don't kill people, suicides do.
/r/MensRights01/01/16 07:55 PM
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Dang, oh, and yeah. From what I could see, they just listed all women from a country where they practiced FGM as "at risk" And I know i was unreasonably generous there, that was kind of the point, in case someone wanted to say "You're totally underrepresenting the isse of FGM in the US"
/r/MensRights01/01/16 07:26 PM
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Found a source here(http://www.prb.org/Publications/Articles/2015/us-fgmc.aspx), they say there are 506795 women at risk, across all age groups, a third of which are under 18. Okay, if we extend the bracket for girls to all girls under 18 years. (506795/3) Then we assume that all girls at risk will be circumcised(168931.666666667/1) And then we factor for all the women in the US(158600000): 0.1065142917% of US girls suffer FGM Right?
/r/MensRights01/01/16 06:59 PM
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I'm looking into FGM now. It looks a if the only numbers I can find are for "at risk or circumcised." I'll update if I find something concrete. Oh, feel free to add to this if you have sources.
/r/MensRights01/01/16 06:44 PM
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By bad, let's do nothing about the other issues. Plus, in order to erradicate rapes, we'ld probably have to exterminate men anyways... And the lesbians.
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