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The laughable part about this to me is that when I was dating, I WANTED serious commitment and it was the women who most frequently wanted no-strings sex. Up to and including an ex who asked to be fuck buddies after breaking up WHILE she was in a relationship with the next guy. Not gonna lie, that one broke me a little. Haven't seen relationships the same way since. The hypocrisy of this text conversation when I compare it to how women actually behaved towards me is insufferable.
/r/EverydayMisandry09/10/25 05:52 AM
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So this is more fucking gaslighting bullshit. The "out of their gourd" shooter for the Minnesota congressmen was himself a registered Republican, Trump voter, and wasn't "out of his gourd" until the actual shootings by any MAGA metric his politics were perfectly sensible. That's the first lie. The second is saying that we can't say the "left on right" violence meets that stated metric - for example, your claim the golf course assassin WASN'T a known fucking lunatic. He was. Even the Ukrainian fo…
/r/MensRights09/10/25 05:21 AM
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Completely missing the point. I DO NOT CARE. Plenty of lying hypocrites on the left. They suck and I do not entertain them. Plenty of lying hypocrites on the right. They suck and I do not entertain them. Beardy up there is a lying hypocrite. The thing he happens to be lying about, is who is causing the most political violence. He sucks and I will not watch him. Because of the lie, not because of the politics underpinning it. Oh and I disagree with who is treating men like trash. Trashy people ar…
/r/MensRights08/10/25 06:59 PM
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Correction: Erin Pizzey, not Emily pizzy
/r/MensRights08/10/25 06:06 PM
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WTF does that have to do with "political violence is mostly left on right?" I mean I can answer your question directly - many of the things quoted on here this sub are from Warren Farrel; Emily Pizzy was a leftist who was and is a goddamned hero for men's rights; I could go on. But regardless of how fucking skull-dented ignorant a statement like that is, it don't fucking matter does it? What I'm talking about is just not being a lying hypocrite in general. You can do that while disagreeing with …
/r/MensRights08/10/25 05:59 PM
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Dude lost me at "political violence being committed almost exclusively by the left onto the right" Sir, fuck your mother, Democrat congressmen being shot in a sequence doesn't count for you? So the remainder of the message was lost on me, since the raging insincerity of that comment put anything else he had to say in doubt Don't care if you disagree with "left" or "right" but I do require accuracy and a respect for truth, and this cum guzzler completely tanked on that within 2 minutes The bitch …
/r/MensRights08/10/25 05:13 PM
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Devil's advocate, they're not wrong that ageism has gotten out of hand I'm not a fan of how the author makes a special case about young boy/older woman, but as a general rule the pdf hysteria is kind of ridiculous. We need less ham fisted arguments against it, though, than this. Part of the problem is that treating someone like a trauma victim can *make* them a trauma victim. If everyone around you thinks you were violated, then it's real easy to start feeling pretty super violated. Which obscur…
/r/EverydayMisandry01/10/25 05:34 AM
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I mean in the larger context, the real problem is a two-party political system. And the voting schema (past-the-post) that enforces that binary. Damn near ANY other voting method is better. Like, ranked choice voting has major problems - that take level 4 nerdery to explain so your just gonna have to take my word for it or look it up on your own - but it's still utterly supreme compared to current election processes. Just see how it broke the NYC dem primaries wide open and gave us a candidate t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/09/25 10:52 PM
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First, get rid of the "women are oppressed" narrative. "left" in the most generous terms means socially inclusive of all demographics, and fiscally desiring guardrails on wealth inequality + robust social safety nets. I like those thing, in principle. Which is why I participate in leftist conversations and spaces like this one. Under that very loose definition, I'd consider myself a leftist. But the feminist victim shit has to go boss. Like, 100%, debunk and decry and drum that assininery out. I…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/09/25 09:27 PM
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Let me save you a read: according to this report men are still the oppressors, but being told that makes them feel disenfranchised and if we censor the "manosphere" hard enough young boys will be more considerate of women. This report is fucking trash. It tries to soft-shoe the message real hard, but that's exactly what their meaning is. Can we get some genuine research that doesn't presume the male oppressor/female victim dynamic before drawing up survey questions? Please?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/09/25 09:21 PM
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Maybe. I specified Anglo countries because a)the original conversation happened in English, so it's the history most likely being accused of "oppression" b) I know U.S. and British history inside and out enough to feel confident in making claims; general European history to a lesser extent, but still enough to push back on a few things; but I do not know, say, Chinese or Arabic history enough c)and Gerda Lerner was a hack. I spit on her grave. She did so much damage to a factual representation o…
/r/EverydayMisandry14/09/25 09:23 PM
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The "years of systemic oppression" is a dirty damned lie, for one thing. Men and women got universal suffrage (note the word "universal", it matters) in English-speaking countries roughly a decade apart, if that much. And even then it's mostly because it was men what fought and died for those rights, women were just given them in fairness that men were never offered. The real oppression has always, always been haves vs. have nots. And her insistence that men are the bad guys of history makes her…
/r/EverydayMisandry14/09/25 01:03 PM
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just like anti-white racism isn't a thing That's her argument? Really? I once got pinned up against a chain link fence and pissed on by a group of black kids. Because I was friends with the ringleader's brother, and I was white. Must've been embarrassing for him I guess. And I was six years old. This happened in the south, by the way. Get the fuck outta here with "anti white racism doesn't exist." Can't say as most black people I know would abide that, but some do. And some would cheer it on, pi…
/r/EverydayMisandry14/09/25 12:50 PM
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The rebuttal is simple. Women can still reach across the aisle and have their efforts produce results. Men can't, in anything close to the same risk/reward ratio. Simple as. Lot of factors go into that - law, social expectations, the demonization of men in general (which is still fucking going on even on this website itself, for fuck's sake, so how some of you knuckleheads are saying things are equally bad for women when the counterevidence is right HERE a click away is mindblowing) and the diff…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/09/25 06:25 PM
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Wow, no. You're telling a mass of men whose problems are, in a critical way, invisible and ignored by the 'village' to... be more invisible and ignored? Because 'indifference' (i.e., not pushing back against said shunning and negligence, but leaning into it) is... let me check my notes... more acceptable and therefore doesn't allow the 'village' to criticize them? News flash, if you go radio silent, the people who didn't care will continue to not care about you. And if you get loud and you're st…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/09/25 04:23 AM
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Yeah. They're still boiling the frog. It will get worse. Even if democrats grew a spine and chucked Chuck Schumer out the fucking window, got enough special elections to swap the majority, and managed to form a Congress that could stand up to Trump? We still have a Supreme Court that told us "Presidents can't commit crimes in the course of their duties." We are so, so fucked. Nothing for it but to do whatever's possible to start digging out of this. It's why I'm paying a hell of a lot more atten…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/03/25 03:40 AM
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Also... on the topic of politics and politicians, I tend to distrust both parties. Rep moreso than Dem, but only just. I knew people personally that Trump screwed over back in his casino days, so he was on my radar as scum loooooong before he was even invited to State dinners. So, yeah. But guys like Chuck Schumer, Pelosi, both Clintons? Couldn't stand them either. I like Bernie though. I don't hate AOC or Crockett, and I'm developing respect for Raskin, Schiff and Murphy in the senate. I guess …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/03/25 02:53 AM
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Well, Uhuru had the benefit of alien races putting "racism" into an entirely different arena. Sexism would probably catch some of that cover as well, under those circumstances. Kirk certainly put a new and different spin on "womanizer," lol. Maybe that's what it would take - an outside comparison so stark as to render the current arguments trivial. I hope we can eventually do better, but either way the pain isn't going to end soon.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/03/25 02:43 AM
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I agree, to a point. But I also have witnessed all attempts to 'fix' this problem make it worse. 'no genders allowed' absolutists are obviously problematic when the wheels hit the pavement... but less obvious is how those who identify particular parts of masculine/feminine identity as "toxic" end up generalizing entire classes of people as toxic. Like us. Technically, this is part of the 'manosphere', I'm told. Welcome. You are the avowed enemy of people who never met you, just by commenting her…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/03/25 02:00 AM
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Eh.... sorry. I guess I got a bit nerd there. Belters are humans, to clarify, that lived in space habitats and are poorly conditioned for planetary gravity. So the analogy was, you have people you could generalize in a bunch of different ways - how they handle gravity, or how they handle toilets, and both are reductionist... but still valid viewpoints within that situation. Which is a commentary on generalizations, in... well, in general.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/03/25 11:50 PM
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Fair. And I can address that. Mostly because he was wrong, and it's much more (single women buy homes twice more often than men) than just (a bit over half of "financially responsible" households in fact have the husband as the primary decision maker, so the idea that the 85% market share is created by housewives is misleading - single women play a HUGE role in this, as well as how shared decisionmaking breaks down by sex) thirty percent. (The real split is MUCH closer to 48.5%F/51.5%M, rounded,…
/r/MensRights28/03/25 11:24 PM
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Ok, devil's advocate since this topic interests me and I'd like more discussion on it: just because something is difficult to define, does not mean the definition does not exist. Equally, just because definitions overlap, does not mean they are not still distinct. Further, even transitory distinctions have meaning; such as a school of fish. And on that note, distinctions between groups can mean far less when applied to individuals within a group. But both sets of definitions are important, and e…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/03/25 10:43 PM
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Why do you assume I'm not earning? My husband and I make within a few percentage points of each other. Which isn't "the lion's share" of income, so you are in fact not earning that prior description of money. Fuck's sake. That's called moving the goalposts so a missed kick scores. It's disingenuous and lowers the quality of the entire dialogue. Don't do that. Let's try this. Assume my spouse did half of the household shopping, child errands and home renovation decisions. Then our spending would …
/r/MensRights28/03/25 09:17 PM
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All that is stuff you'd need to do anyway. Those are choices. And hell, my mom never did my laundry either after I was 7. It was one of the first chores I had to pick up. Dishes at 9; she never did them again unless it was just her having a snack. Again, a choice. If you choose to be a responsible home maker and put in extra effort, that's fantastic. Laudable. But still a choice, not one particularly imposed on you. It's called being a good partner, and again: something that would still be sitti…
/r/MensRights28/03/25 09:03 PM
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Uh. I don't think this means what you think it means. You absolutely are spending it on yourself. You'd still need to spend the same if you were earning that money, yeah? Like, assume you're the sole income earner, but had the same family, assets, interests, etc. Would you be making approximately the same purchase decisions? Then you're buying things for the life you want to have. Let's not handwave that away, shall we? It's not wrong that you're spending money how you want... but it is wrong to…
/r/MensRights28/03/25 08:51 PM
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The problem I have with "deconstructing masculinity" is the same one I have with feminists who "deconstruct gender roles" - casting the men who do fit the norms as oppressive, or sellouts, or... take your pick of negative biases. Basically it replaces one set of acceptable behaviors, with a different and potentially even less inclusive set, all in the name of trying to be more inclusive. And defending that choice as if it's some form of social progress. It's not. It's maddening, sometimes. It's …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/03/25 08:16 PM
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That's... not what I said. And given a brief lookover of your account, I'm half convinced you're one of the Russian trolls I am talking about. So your 'agreement' with a sentiment I didn't express is deeply suspect even if it'd been closer into the infield.
/r/MensRights14/03/25 04:20 PM
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It's more than that. Less men means less kids, not just less resources. The way you'd expect "less fertile women means less children," "less fertile men means less children." The lesson of Paraguay - and Russia after WW2, for that matter - is that populations where the women remain but the men dramatically decline, ends up with less children overall. If the "1 man can populate a village" hypothesis were true, we'd never see that sharp decline. But we have, and do, throughout history. It might no…
/r/MensRights12/03/25 08:31 AM
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Male disposability is kind of a lie. Both in a societal sense and in a family/generational sense. I could show all the stats on how fatherless children are at a massive disadvantage, but even that doesn't tell the whole story. It won't convince those who think 'well, you can still repopulate with 1 man and 100 women.' Thing is, you really can't. We have an example from history: the South American war of the Triple Alliance, where some estimates put Paraguay's losses at around 90% of its men, lea…
/r/MensRights12/03/25 05:53 AM
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Closer. It's still not clear that's the correct category for stuff like this. SPAM is typically associated with sales advertisements; I've used the category before to report stuff like this, but with much doubt. Low value/effort is also kind of iffy. Even 'false' low-value low effort. It has too much overlap with rants that are purely men's rights stuff and might even have value being here. You'd get more reports on stuff you might want to keep or have no other issues with. I'll grant you the di…
/r/MensRights10/03/25 09:15 PM
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Ok. Sure. But I'm calling you guys out for a reason. You're not making it easy to help you with this. For god's sake at least make a reporting category. I've tried - there isn't one that 'fits' this sort of thing... impersonating? "No fake news"? Not always a good fit, this topic being a prime example of why. Add a rule to the sidebar. Add a meta thread with this sort of thing and how to report it. And whatever else you can think of. If we have to be the ones to fight Russian hybrid warfare on t…
/r/MensRights10/03/25 08:50 PM
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Well this is a bunch of lies.
/r/MensRights09/03/25 03:27 AM
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We need a new reporting category for Russian propaganda. Mods, get on this shit. Because this "compassion towards man" is thinly veiled anti-Ukraine propoganda that is based on notions wildly misinformed on the realities of Ukraine's military, and only barely within the domain of men's rights at all if you squint hard. You want real tragedy for human rights? Try Russia sending its conscripts on crutches to die just for scouting out if Ukrainians are paying attention to that part of the line. Fuc…
/r/MensRights09/03/25 02:46 AM
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Not to mention the record-keeping value of this sub. Some truly heinous shit by feminists is documented here first and foremost. People googling things like "Why aren't there men's domestic violence shelters" get directed to some of the resources on this sub. Or used to, I guess. Lot of stuff on this sub is worth preserving, and just the fact a space with eyes on it that can be used to spread news and information is valuable. All of which means, and I say this with feeling, FUCK these fucking ru…
/r/MensRights04/03/25 10:07 PM
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I'd put a couple bucks down on a bet that a few Russian trolls are already watching this thread, at least going by the downvotes. Could be just some useful idiots deciding we're making shit up; but given that this sub in particular is a known target for some of those troll farms, I feel that's a safe bet it's actual paid trolls doing it. People, if you're noticing the same thing we and OP are pointing out, don't forget to upvote. This will all get hidden and 'out of sight, out of mind' if you le…
/r/MensRights04/03/25 09:58 PM
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Yep. Part of the playbook: where they can't insert their own lies, they'll find some argument already ongoing and troll both sides of it to erode trust and the social cohesion.
/r/MensRights04/03/25 09:46 PM
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First: Don't diss socialism without being very damned careful. At least if you care about a healthy society. Fire stations and public libraries are socialist. Don't get me wrong, I'm a big fan of capitalism. But the original gangster version, not the neoliberal shit from the past few decades. (Chapter 7 is particularly relevant, if you can work through it. Describes some of the dangers of monopolies, wherein a monopoly on wealth and assets - wealth inequality, in other words - can break the mark…
/r/MensRights04/03/25 09:42 PM
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Dear god yes. Thank you for posting this. The Russian propoganda in this sub is intense. It's nearly turned me off the sub. And I've been subbed for over a decade now. The past year or two has been fucking nasty.
/r/MensRights04/03/25 09:10 PM
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You're doing the same thing that lost those Democrats votes: mixing "aggrieved" with their demographic. That relationship is only loosely fixed. As an example I often bring up: not all U.S. women are feminists (A few years ago I could say "the majority of," but then Dobbs v Jackson happened, and well...) And about 40%ish of men in a lot of surveys say that at a minimum "feminist somewhat describes me." Of that, maybe 1/10th of either demographic can be spitballed as truly "aggrieved". Regardless…
/r/MensRights04/03/25 08:58 PM
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Nah, you're putting the cart before the horse. First of all, addressing the strategy of 'courting aggrieved' voters: those votes are, for better or worse, locked in. Were I a Dem candidate, as long as I didn't go out of my way to work against that bloc? I could simply point to Rep acts in the past decade or so, and say, "I won't be doing that," and probably get their votes. Meanwhile a strategy that focuses on populism, wealth inequality and so on - such as Bernie's - and class divides that affe…
/r/MensRights04/03/25 08:34 PM
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Not liberals. Feminists. Let's not confuse "philosophy of universal human rights" with a polarizing one-sided bullshit version of that philosophy. Human rights? Good. Bigotry that twists, perverts and hides behind that? Bad. "Liberal" is, like, one of the all-time most important words in the English language. It is the name of the logic and reasoning for why caste systems are bad and free speech is good. Let's take it back from the assholes, yeah? Including feminists. They do not deserve that la…
/r/MensRights28/02/25 07:55 PM
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The same funding inequity you pointed out regarding Democrat programs to promote women affects all men equally. The argument regarding privileged women applies as well to privileged men: the final determinor there is wealth and access, not race. A trailer-park raised white man from a broken home is not as 'privileged' as a minority man with the upper-middle-class background of, say, Vivek Ramaswamay. Or a minority woman such as Lisa LaTrelle Rochester. So I say that it is equally true for men as…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/02/25 08:43 PM
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4 of those 8 resources are funds exclusive to women such as Ignite and Emily's List. That's appalling, and new information. Thank you for pointing this out. There are also no funds to address the underrepresentation of certain racial and ethnic minority groups such as Latinos, Native Americans, and African Americans such as the Latino Victory Fun[d]. Okay... you're starting to lose me here. I mean, the Latino victory fund exists... do you mean it wasn't linked? That could simply be an oversight.…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/02/25 01:08 PM
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Indeed. And what doesn't get pointed out nearly enough is that it's not just that boys are doing badly compared to girls; but that educational outcomes for modern boys are worse than those of generations of boys past.
/r/MensRights25/02/25 12:53 AM
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Dude, he recommended that boys be held back a year since they 'develop slower'. He actually factually tried to imply boys are failing in school because they're dumber than girls. Which I should not have to point out, is not true. Different, sure; boys and girls have different needs and even experience the world a bit differently. But dumber than girls the same age? fuuuuck that. I don't care how many people his message reaches, that is a goddamned terrible message. And if that's where you have t…
/r/MensRights24/02/25 10:42 PM
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Lol, I'm not offended - I'm doing the offending. I'm calling your post either intentionally malevolent towards men's rights, or alternatively, bigoted beyond belief and wildly inappropriate, and I stand by every word. But offended? Pure projection on your part. You'd have to say something that insulted me to even start that process, and 'go get a life' doesn't even merit a blip on that radar. That's like saying hello where I live. And even offensive dialogue isn't the point of this. I don't real…
/r/MensRights12/02/25 06:29 AM
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Ukraine doesn't draft anyone under 26. And I am highly suspicious of the number of anti-Ukraine posts I see here. Especially given the levels of misinformation I usually see on the topic, and the fact that Russia is pumping tens of millions if not hundreds of millions of dollars into hybrid warfare tactics designed to support sentiments exactly like this one. Not saying this is a paid advert for Russian imperialism, but I really wouldn't be surprised if it was.
/r/MensRights12/02/25 06:20 AM
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This is either a false flag post or genuinely stupid and bigoted, can't tell really. Either way gtfo of here. This is a place to support men's rights, in a context that respects real equality and humanity. Being just as bad as the feminazis that created this situation in the first place, promoting bigotry against men and washing all of us as toxic, useless and unnecessary by returning the favor at women? It's not helpful, and is not acceptable.
/r/MensRights12/02/25 06:07 AM
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This opinion doesn't factor in that when those men talk about anything else, they aren't "mgtow" in that moment. They're hiking enthusiasts, or gamers, or chess nerds, or woodworkers talking about oak vs. walnut. It's only when they describe their choices regarding women and why that you would even know that facet existed. And further, conversations about MGTOW are fundamentally a rejection. Of dating culture, marriage laws and outcomes, and all the periphery of that. Complaining about these thi…
/r/MensRights10/02/25 06:23 AM
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Ah right I'd forgotten about that. It got lost on my radar in the storm of other bullshit she was saying about him.
/r/EverydayMisandry08/02/25 02:30 AM
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Wait what? The Depp case was a DV case, not rape. And he had to fight like hell, spent millions, lost contracts, had his name dragged through the mud, and it took a very public trial where every single moment of their relationship got put on display to prove her bullshit false. Indeed, prove Amber was the one who assaulted him, cut off part of his finger and shit on his bed. Not exaggeration for effect, a literal description of her actions. And he still has to deal with shit talk like this. Some…
/r/EverydayMisandry06/02/25 02:13 AM
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So I've encountered a few situations in my years on this planet. Here are two of them. 1: roommates threw a party, I hear yelling from across the hall. Enter the bedroom, a male guest - drunk unto incoherence, completely out of touch with where he is and what's happening to him - is lying on his back, screaming, as a woman - also pretty drunk - tries to ride him. He did not solicit this; he was sent to the room to sleep it off. She is causing him so much pain in her attempt at coitus that it bro…
/r/EverydayMisandry23/01/25 11:28 PM
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Yeah ok this author is going out of their way to defend feminism. And lists several authors with horrid misandric views as inspiration. This is a case of, "C'mon, you're almost there... like 90% of the way... yes, misandry and bigotry is being spread by feminism... no feminism is NOT better than this, feminism is NOT about objective truth, stop! What the hell! Go back to the realizing feminism spreads bigotry!" This isn't a case of someone "capturing the whole argument against socially accepted …
/r/MensRights21/01/25 07:45 PM
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In the preamble: Disparities are useful for that— you can make a compelling case that society has a problem with women when you, for instance, point out that the median income for women is (yes, still, today!) about 75% of the median income for men. Haven't gotten very far, but this is not a great start if the author is propping up this nonsense. Hopefully it gets better.
/r/MensRights21/01/25 07:29 PM
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Simply avoid the places where the chances that "it doesn't", happen. Imagine you had a heart attack or a traffic accident or got murdered in an alley just before the 3rd chance at a promotion happened. Now what? Your persistence, did not pay off. You did not get the chance. You did everything right, and got steamrolled. The world is not fair. Even when you work to make it so. It's only when we work to make it fair for each other that we get even an approximation of it. Pretending that hard work …
/r/MensRights10/01/25 05:38 PM
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Except when it doesn't. Little bit of survivor bias going on, here. I'd agree those are important values to have, but don't fool yourself that they are a win button. That way lies arrogance - because you'll look at people who failed, and assume they simply didn't work as hard as you did, or they misbehaved or something... when that couldn't be further from the truth. Conversely, plenty of people failed upwards into high earning positions; you can't assume their success relied on hard work either…
/r/MensRights10/01/25 04:34 AM
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Record everything.
/r/MensRights10/01/25 04:28 AM
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Brilliant and heartwarming. This made my day
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/01/25 02:05 AM
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Why did MRA's stop using the term "toxic masculinity?" Because feminists hijacked the term and turned it into "men are toxic." It is a slur now. In common usage, it is an insulting a derivative phrase, nothing like its original intent. That's why.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/01/25 12:15 AM
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Ok. You know what? I have an immediately relevant and actionable answer for this. https://i.imgur.com/X2iZ4xC.png This is a screenshot of a post over in a sub about tiktoks that is crucifying some guy for being awkwardly friendly and approaching a group of women celebrating New Year's. The vitriol in the comments section is appalling. I commented myself about the rest of them. Of course, I was downvoted to oblivion, since that sub is full of misandrist asshats, but if at least one person saw it …
/r/MensRights04/01/25 07:22 PM
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Trevor Noah snatched failure from the jaws of success with the Daily Show, and a big part of that was his sometimes subtle, sometimes far too blatant misandrist bullshit. And now I'm supposed to respect a single thing he has to say about men?
/r/MensRights24/12/24 06:34 PM
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As I said before, the biggest thing is pushing back against the hyperbole. The ones making the accusations, creating the labels. Speaking of labels, here is a relevant wiki article: Labeling Theory How social stigma affects people is the sort of subject matter that looks like an iceberg. It gets pretty deep. Way deeper than you can see just by looking at the part above water. But the short version? We're already at the point where men are criminalized, marginalized, stigmatized and broken. It is…
/r/EverydayMisandry24/12/24 02:14 AM
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How easily we forget the lessons of the past. The very first "newsgame," or game created explicitly to explain or highlight a news piece, was regarding terrorism. Specifically, how fighting terrorism in ways that cause collateral damage ends up creating more terrorism, not less. There have been many such games and interactive demonstrations since then - to the point where it's just a thing that happens, and doesn't need a label. But back when it was made, it was quite novel. And impactful. The g…
/r/EverydayMisandry24/12/24 12:56 AM
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Phillips, 43, said it was “vanishingly unlikely” that similar crimes had not been carried out in Britain. Because this one french guy did this? Suddenly Britain has an epidemic of cuck fetishists dosing their wives?!? I heard this chick Elizabeth Bathory back in the day used to bathe in the blood of virgins, I guess alot of women do that. Must be at least a few of them in your local neighborhood. Watch out!
/r/MensRights22/12/24 02:18 PM
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Ok then. Wasn't a catfish.
/r/MenSupportMen19/12/24 07:14 PM
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I mean, that rules out most of the motives, but not the most likely one - some chick roleplaying. Had the same thing happen to me boss. Long time ago, before video calls, but phone and photos still happened. Very similar circumstances too, I worked as a merchant marine and was about to get enough shore time to visit when the jig was up. Wasn't long after that I gave up on dating sites entirely, IRL meets are the only way to go... but she was only part of the reason. Dating sites are just awful e…
/r/MenSupportMen19/12/24 06:57 PM
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You got catfished. Somebody put up a profile, some of if not all of it faked, in order to sucker someone like you into engaging with them. And they bailed on you when it was creeping into the next level and their cover would get blown. Could be roleplay, could be trolling, probably wasn't to rip you off but that is always a possible reason for it. Depending on the dating site, could even be hired mercenaries to bump their ratio. Any of those motives or more, though, it's all catfishing. And it h…
/r/MenSupportMen19/12/24 06:47 PM
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the catfishing is real This is why online dating is a nonstarter. If you absolutely must use it, then insist on a face-to-face at a coffee shop or something within the first week or drop them and move on. Same advice goes for any women reading this, by the way. Plenty of male-presenting catfishers out there too. If you don't have their phone number and have physically met them within a week or two at most, move along. You've been warned. If you get played after that it's your fault.
/r/MenSupportMen19/12/24 11:03 AM
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(I lied, apparently. Because this is now a 3-part comment, not a 2-part. Oh well.) The brokenness of masculinity oh fuck you how isolating it is, and how men don't know how to break the cycle Maybe don't start by claiming it's the masculinity part at fault for this, yeah? Just a thought. As a trans man, I empathize and support women in ways men mostly don't Fuck you I've learned communication skills to help me connect with others Maybe apply those skills better in the next article you write I'm …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/12/24 04:51 AM
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You can speak up whenever you want shut up but not about your emotions, fears, or grief You mean like you are doing in this article right now? Completely misunderstood problem by these wingnuts. You can be as emotional as you want as a man, but nobody will go out of their way to fix your problems for you. But the same is true if you stay quiet as a man. The difference is anything you say can and will be used against you, sometimes savagely so, and the hivemind will not be there to defend you on …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/12/24 04:49 AM
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Oh my god I hate this article so much. It starts meh but gets so much worse Before my transition, guys used to open up to me about all sorts of fears, frustrations, and feelings. That's you boss. I have had deep friendships with men and shallow ones with women. Matter of fact, I've had women friends who I thought were good to talk to use what I mentioned in confidence in outrageous ways. But ok, whatever. Could just be circumstantial. Moving on The most depleting were new friendships. It was nea…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/12/24 04:43 AM
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No boss. Both in the sense of trying to get meaningful 'data' - you won't, this is poorly structured, unfiltered, the noise-to-signal even in a best case scenario is deeply untrustworthy - and in the sense that no matter the results, if it's used in a prescriptive way applied to this or any sub that partakes, that will probably end in tears. Not interesting, might hurt things, won't get data worth a damn, so gotta repeat myself here op - not a great idea.
/r/MensRights10/12/24 05:31 AM
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Not a great idea OP. Polling will end in bias and tears no matter what the results are. Pretty sure this goes against rule 2 on the sidebar, in that sense.
/r/MensRights10/12/24 05:21 AM
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Pretty sure /fragilemaleredditor is one of the brigade subs that initially triggered that exchange too. Brigading 'incels' is how it got its start after all
/r/EverydayMisandry10/12/24 03:50 AM
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Apparently they didn't trust the 26 year old's judgement though despite also being a woman
/r/EverydayMisandry08/12/24 10:00 AM
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Hey, two things can be true at the same time.
/r/MensRights08/12/24 07:46 AM
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Really all that needs to be said. I agree 100%. Though if I wanted to be a genuine ass, I'd point out "Consult a lawyer" is technically advice of a legal nature. I'll see myself out.
/r/MensRights04/12/24 08:31 PM
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Has anyone pointed out to her how it's people like the National Organization for Women (NOW) and other feminist groups that have done the most lobbying against equal criminal penalties for women? Or who lobbied against laws recognizing that female perpetrators can rape men? No? Anyone? OP, u/tiny-fall-4040, did you check for this?
/r/MensRights04/12/24 02:58 PM
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Next step is to go on Bluesky and star pushing back against this kind of rhetoric. Get organized. Don't let it fester. Bluesky is still relatively open; now is the time something can be done to slow this bullshit down before it goes too far.
/r/MensRights01/12/24 03:35 AM
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Oh damn. I've seen the guy like two times recently and both left a bad taste in my mouth, but I at least gave him credit for not being a complete tosser. But if you're accurate and he defends Heard, there's no saving him.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/12/24 03:31 AM
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As a black man I do not have a choice. Bull. Get out of your own head and touch grass. Right wing men perpetually fear black penis Even the black ones? left wingers of all kinds fear black pe nis and black masculinity Even the black ones? obliterating the current social order back to the stone age This might surprise you, but replacing racism with tribalism is not an improvement. People in the stone age got up to some severely heinous things. Nah. We got problems right now, sure. But the answer …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/12/24 03:26 AM
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They're so close to actually getting it. 99% of the way there. But that one at the top is still trying to save "true" feminism. Not admitting feminism itself is a vehicle for this kind of one-sided bias and unjustified hatred of abuse victims. We will only be able to move past this when we give up feminism as irrevocably tainted, and shut it down like we do KKK and neonazis and other hate groups.
/r/EverydayMisandry21/11/24 06:22 AM
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*billions in gear and military infrastructure Easy to misread just 'billions' as something else
/r/MensRights09/11/24 04:08 AM
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No, that was the suffrage movement. Which was more than just women. All of what you're describing was done by liberals, not by feminists. Feminists who are what you get if you put a liberal in a blender and mix in a dash of KKK and a dash of Stalin-style Marxism, then tell it women are oppressed and let it spin. 1st wave feminism wanted prohibition more than anything else, and 2nd wave were just mainly about hating men. And Edward Bernays's shenanigans. 2nd wave was about the time women became a…
/r/MensRights08/11/24 07:46 PM
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no need to space that one dude, they are a far cry from controversy. This sub we're in now is more radioactive. Here r/georgism
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/11/24 05:10 PM
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They're fascism without the philosophy part. "Obey the state, the leadership knows best." "How?" "Because they're the leaders." Can't even say they're capitalists wearing a communism mask; they don't have free markets, just a convincing parody of them. Only thing left is fascism-adjacent dictatorships. Putin's leaning into divine rights, though, so might be we'll see some medieval politics reviving.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/11/24 05:05 PM
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A lot of people are saying that the Democrats lost because they abandoned their base. Kamala was considering binning Lena Khan, guys. Because wealthy donors asked her to. She at least wouldn't rule it out. That pretty much speaks volumes here. Still preferred her to Trump, but there are so many ways the Democratic party leadership failed us here. So many.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/11/24 04:59 PM
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Eh... Fair enough. Sounds like you accidentally landed somewhere adjacent to the language fascists use to describe their beliefs, but not the thing itself. (though with a few small overtones of it.) This guy goes in depth on the ins and outs. You'll see what I'm talking about with that. Short version, fascists are a quasi-religious belief in the necessity of a perfect state, whose people are tightly bound to the state's purpose. For a whole philosophical belief system. Which is less great than i…
/r/MensRights07/11/24 03:56 AM
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Well, OP did the fascism dogwhistle thing then followed it up with a bunch of stuff that has nothing to do with fascism. It's like if Fidel Castro started talking about what makes a good Cuban cigar. Right or wrong, has nothing to do with communism unless the crayons get used to draw those lines. I just wanted to warn people about the dogwhistle. If it even was that, I'm still open to the idea it wasn't planned.
/r/MensRights07/11/24 03:24 AM
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I’m not a republican. I’m not a libertarian or Green Party or anything else. I disagree with democracy at a fundamental level. Not sure if it applies here, might be a coincidence and I'm reading the guy wrong, but in some contexts this is a fascist callout. Not in the 'The guy I don't like is a fascist' sense, but in the 'reads books on political theory regarding the 'third choice' movement and agrees with it.' Actual, factual fascism. Which is also a philosophical tar pit, but it takes effort t…
/r/MensRights07/11/24 01:21 AM
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I've been trying in a few subs to push back against racist and sexist misandry from blue spaces, as a disappointed democrat myself. but the identity politics are as vitriolic and bigoted as ever. Maybe even worse than normal right now. The lesson has not been learned, at least on first blush.
/r/MensRights06/11/24 07:28 PM
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As if Ghislaine Maxwell didn't exist, or Hillary Clinton wasn't implicated in the Epstien documents, or as if teachers fucking underage students wasn't widespread enough to have sociology studies done on them or on and on Nah, it's men doing it. Just men. Because men are bad that way, amirite?
/r/EverydayMisandry04/11/24 08:14 AM
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The only thing I don't like about cargo shorts is that they fool me into thinking I can go hiking or backpacking in them. Never again. Pants are the only way to go. Sweating a bit more is worth the price of keeping more ticks off me at the end of the day.
/r/MensRights04/11/24 07:06 AM
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Whatever fits (or doesn't if a belt can fix it) doesn't have loud patterns and won't chafe. I barely notice what I'm wearing, nevermind what other people wear, on shorts days. That is reserved for days I wear pants.
/r/MensRights04/11/24 07:02 AM
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No, actually. It was not. Look, you're just repeating lies. You've already contradicted your own 'facts' here. You are not arguing in good faith. I'm half-convinced you don't even really care about border security. If you did you'd be more consistent - oh, and you'd be voting blue all the way down, since the "progressives" you want to dog on so much are a better practical choice if you want greater border security laws to actually pass. Again, there are good reasons to dislike progressives. That…
/r/MensRights02/11/24 03:21 PM
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I recently read an AskFeminists post Found the problem. Not sure why you're expecting feminists not to act like sexist bigots, but they never don't.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/11/24 05:30 AM
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I do not care who dates who. I do care if nasty gossip mongers talk shit. I avoid people like that. And NYPost, that being their thing, does not get my attention or money. The real misandry here is the people criticizing a man's choice either up or down the age bracket. Mind your business. And that ain't it.
/r/EverydayMisandry01/11/24 05:26 AM
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No. Everything in that is wrong. It wasn't greater than 10M according to border patrol data, the fraction is more like 1/5th, and we've had this same exact problem for longer than I've been alive. Literally, more than 50 years ago people were complaining about this. There is nothing new there. It's a real problem, to be sure, but the fearmongering is just sickening bullshit artistry taking advantage of people blind to history. Even recent history, for example... "Skyrocketed" is pretty strong ph…
/r/MensRights01/11/24 04:42 AM
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This is factually not the case. You've been getting your information from distorted sources. Oddly, in a Men's Rights forum you'd expect to hit Harris in her weak spot: men's rights. She's not strong there. But illegal immigration? Most of what you're operating on is lies, and the rest misconceptions. For example, the "10 million illegals let in" is a number from the 8 million people apprehended at the border. As in, caught. Which is indeed a record, of how many were prevented from staying illeg…
/r/MensRights01/11/24 12:17 AM
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I love that crazy lady I'm almost tempted even to buy one of those watches she promotes. They look pretty good on the face of it, but also they seem like her preferred sponsor. If wrist watches didn't cause some kind of weird arm pain on me, I absolutely would.
/r/MensRights31/10/24 12:49 PM
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Calm reminder that it was Trump and company that borked the bipartisan congressional bill that would have been the first attempt in some 20 years to really address illegal immigration. A bill that was remarkably pork-free, and basically took every suggestion of the actual border patrol people instead of some fairy tale bull. An actually good bill. For once. Bipartisan includes "progressives" by the way, who all voted for it in the House. Not saying they're the best on that policy, but the curren…
/r/MensRights31/10/24 12:21 PM
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Same here. Raised by a feminist, called myself a feminist. Until I learned the history and the scope of it all, and just how 'equality' it is not and never was. There exists no truer hate than a true believer disillusioned.
/r/MensRights23/10/24 12:47 AM
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There were a few, like Warren Farrell and Cassie Jaye, who opposed that hate... but they all end up disavowing feminism and not calling themselves feminists anymore. Which sits right by me, at least.
/r/MensRights22/10/24 04:56 PM
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"Embrace" of crypto? They're basically offering to "protect" people from crypto. And while the crypto market is infested with scam artists, anyone offering "protection" against an entire currency is not exactly offering to evangelize for it. I wouldn't be surprised if their idea of protection is making the whole thing illegal, or tracking every transaction, or similar answers. If not, if the cure isn't worse than the disease there, I would be astonished and intrigued.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/10/24 09:22 PM
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Then I hope I'm never on the same boat as you either. I sense a distinct lack of outrage towards real tragedy in here. As a PSA, I want to remind everyone that "Genocide" is not an exaggeration, it is the dictionary definition of what the Russians are doing to the Ukrainians. Advocating for men's rights is very fucking important, and freedom for regular citizens is also extremely important in general, but there do in fact exist problems that are more important. Like an army of sadistic fucks who…
/r/MensRights14/10/24 01:29 PM
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What the Daily mail said about foreign volunteers is explicitly misrepresented. If they're willing to handwave that in order to push a narrative, then nothing they add is trustworthy. That matters, even if you say it doesn't. As for the rest, my opinion is as valid as yours is. I disagree that Ukraine's right to exist depends on draft dodgers, though. Ukrainians deserve to not be invaded pro forma. To suggest otherwise is absurd and inhumane. The analogy above holds true - if there's a fire on d…
/r/MensRights14/10/24 02:21 AM
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Now that is the question that needs to be asked. Loudly. Repeatedly. They should be drafting women. There's a world full of infrastructure and logistics tasks that are going undone. There is a real need to divide some of the tasks the military has, and they have manpower requirements that can be assumed by women. Front line defense is probably unwise, except for trained and proven women that can meet the basic requirements... but that's less than 10% of what the military actually does. There is …
/r/MensRights14/10/24 02:04 AM
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Which is unfair to men, if women are not drafted in equal measure, or men are not given social benefit commensurate to the cost. But the draft itself? Ukraine is in an existential crisis. It is being invaded by a power - Russia - that is literally stealing Ukrainian children from their parents and communities, turning its hospitals, schools and homes to rubble, explicitly targeting ordinary people driving on the streets of Kherson with drone-dropped grenades, encouraging rape and theft of conque…
/r/MensRights14/10/24 01:54 AM
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Daily Mail is not exactly a reliable source. Case in point, every single foreigner mentioned was a volunteer. One was a quite popular streamer and Youtuber, who regularly called for aid and used his volunteering to demonstrate what it went for and why it was needed. And they did not die due to Ukrainian negligence or restrictions on their actions. They died because Russians, who have no business being there, killed them. As for the nightclub incident, I'm not sure what happened there - it could …
/r/MensRights14/10/24 01:22 AM
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What's the endgame though? Because as much as I hate it when it's directed against me, I also kind of hate it when it's directed against ironically appropriate targets. Like feminists shaming bald men. This kind of language policing is just breeding more of itself, and creating an ever-more-hostile climate. Not to mention the door it opens up to doubleplusgood type Orwellian initiatives. So when can we circle back around to not letting anyone police our words? I am willing to risk being offended…
/r/MensRights14/10/24 12:05 AM
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Thanks. For me I think the best part of this is discovering Keri Smith. I like smart liberal women who understand that "respect for everyone" includes men, and that there is a problem with statements like this one from Kamala.
/r/MensRights10/10/24 04:42 PM
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When were these tweets, and do we have a link to them? Timing is important context, here.
/r/MensRights08/10/24 11:59 PM
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violence of any kind
/r/MensRights29/09/24 02:02 AM
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If half the population ain't rowing the same way, we're never gonna move forward. We need women as well as men to be advocating. Not 'want' women, need women. But also need strong male voices as well.
/r/MensRights22/09/24 08:02 PM
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This comment reads like a poorly calibrated bot. .... aaaand yeah it's a new account with two comments on it. And this gem of a nugget right here being the second one. This is a bot.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/09/24 06:45 PM
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"My core beliefs and goals still match with feminism" You're in Germany, so the history of feminism there might be different. Here in America, from the very first steps feminism has derided men, compared us to animals that need to be controlled by women, and similar statements that - were it any other group doing so, would be immediately labeled as a hate group and probably one that encourages terrorism. Which feminism also has, over the decades. Similar things are true for British feminism, and…
/r/MensRights02/09/24 01:03 PM
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Actually, this is weird. I recently had a 'new' ish account reply to some of my comments - that were a year old or more - with much the same slant as your fan here. Though not quite as vitriolic as her; yours is a sparkling jewel of misandry, not gonna lie. Mine was suspiciously inconsistent, though. She seemed bare-bones in her comment history, then suddenly a spurt of activity, then nothing again. Have radical feminists started running bot farms or something?
/r/EverydayMisandry27/08/24 04:47 AM
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Eh, I hear you, but there's an extra hydrogen bond or two where these specific issues are concerned for some reason. You're not wrong, but start paying attention to where these topics get brought up most frequently - you'll see a bit more overlap than just 'left wing'. As a small example, I have never once noticed a misandrist statement in the 2ALiberals sub, but I most certainly have in the r/guncontrol one. Both pretty 'left'.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/08/24 06:54 PM
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I agree that it's a side issue, but in Possum's defense the anti-2A crowd and the misandrist, "men are all predators" crowd do seem to tend to take up the same spaces. It's not hard to accidentally hit a feminist if you're aiming at someone advocating for gun control and vice versa
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/08/24 06:41 PM
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OY! I'll have you know Latin TV is far more aggressive with the sound effects. How dare you deny their efforts in yet another example of American exceptionalism. Same goes for a lot of southern European newscasts I've seen over the years. America is far from the place where you can find the best and most hyperaggressive sound studios
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/08/24 06:36 PM
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Aw. That's sad to hear.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/08/24 04:22 AM
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Andrew Yang was pretty solid on that, if I remember correctly
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/08/24 12:55 AM
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I'm a 2A liberal, and she's terrible on gun rights as well. I'm still voting for her. Holding my nose, but she's still leagues beyond Trump.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/08/24 12:50 AM
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When you look into the history of feminism, esp. American feminism, it becomes clear there was never a 'good' feminist movement. It's always been extremist bigotry and hatred of men, that occasionally overlapped with genuine liberal or egalitarian movements and philosophies... but in the same fashion that, say, ISIS or Hamas overlaps with your average Muslim. To give a succinct example that pretty much encapsulates the whole problem: one of the original founders of the feminist movement - the fa…
/r/EverydayMisandry23/08/24 09:59 PM
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Why do modern women deny misandry? Short term self-interest, same reason all convenient lies are upheld. Thing is, plenty of men do too. And there are a few women - just as there are a few men - who push back against it. So I try to stick to saying "society" or "culture" instead of "women." I mean after all, some of the people who benefit the most from this are other men who are pulling the ladder up behind themselves. So those people exist. But even worse are the ones with the "millionaires exp…
/r/EverydayMisandry18/08/24 09:22 AM
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Seems reasonable, except these apps are doing what you suggest and they are still crashing and burning.
/r/MensRights27/07/24 07:37 AM
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If it helps, about 10 years ago I had a mental break, and am currently on disability for depression, barely go outside and live in a grey, bleak and heavily medicated world. In the end I was never able to hold a steady relationship, lost the majority of my trust and interest in women as well - seeing the worst of them can do that, though I hold my share of blame as well - and these days, if I had the chance to do any of it over again, I probably would not. The reason I had a lot of attraction wa…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/07/24 01:13 PM
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One problem I have encountered on that side of the equation: women used me for sex. Like straight up, I'd have women lie to me about being married or having boyfriends - one even loaned me her husband's car without telling him or me! - I've had the "let's just be fuck buddies" conversation, etcetera. Trying to tell people I am sad because women didn't want long term, was... yeah. But it's true. Trying to explain that women are often - if not more often - the ones choosing short term over long te…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/07/24 10:11 AM
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Jesus wept. Wow.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/07/24 09:54 AM
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Yea, that one shows as removed. Ok, so it seems like the deletions will continue until morale improves. I am infuriated and appalled on your behalf, OP, and sad that my optimism was misplaced. Shame on them.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/07/24 09:49 AM
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I have a hard time dealing with them. Because, sure, they're aware of men's issues, but their empathy and yet continuing support for feminism acts as an enabler and shield for the worst offenders in that space. I came to the eventual conclusion that it's not enough for 'good' feminists to police their own; that is spectacularly counterproductive. They have to disavow entirely, or they're tacitly supporting misandry and bigotry even as they denounce it. Considering that the founder of American fe…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/07/24 09:42 AM
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Just checked the thread a few moments ago, and I could see your comments. Though I'm not sure if the deleted ones happened at a different time, and I only saw older comments or something. Regardless, might be worth checking r/undelete or reveddit to see if anything's still missing there.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/07/24 09:36 AM
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Out of all of them I thought that one was the one I'd give a pass on. I legit snorted. Almost chuckled. If you don't assume malicious intent there, that one's actually a decent sense of humor. Dark humor, but sometimes that's the best kind.
/r/EverydayMisandry21/06/24 12:16 PM
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Agreed on all points. I can only say I wish the language around these topics was easier to parse, though. You're describing fundamentals of human interaction, and it took paragraphs to do. It should take mere words. I think English is insufficient for the task, though I'm not aware of a language that'd be much clearer. Things like "acting dismissive of attention in order to gain attention" need punchier words. Their lexical version of a word like "schadenfreude."
/r/EverydayMisandry20/06/24 12:23 AM
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Fair enough. I should also clarify that I was talking about avowed lesbians, one and all. None of the women I'm discussing claimed to be bisexual, despite making passes at me; conversely, I also knew women who did claim bisexuality, though those women tended to express less interest (usually they were already in steady relationships, and weren't as flirtatious.) Which is all anecdotal of course - meaning that it's only valuable in exceptions that disprove the rule, not in establishing what the r…
/r/EverydayMisandry20/06/24 12:09 AM
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Believe it or not without psychology we wouldn’t understand intersexual behavioural dynamics and gender roles. We still don't. And the volume of assertions and magical thinking is hard to wade through to get to the few arrows that hit their targets.
/r/MensRights19/06/24 05:47 AM
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I can empathize with the unwanted attention, but... there's some nuance here. Not to brag, but I had quite a bit of female attention when I was younger, to the point where I didn't approach women a lot. Minor (very minor) reputation - think village bard. The guy everybody knew at the club. And I had quite a few lesbian friends... more than one of whom got legitimately angry that I didn't hit on them. A lesbian couple asked me for a threesome (do not recommend, by the way, if you're ever in the p…
/r/EverydayMisandry19/06/24 02:38 AM
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How does she explain gay men? I'm straight myself, so I legitimately can't confirm if gay men aren't also a social construct I maliciously constructed to prevent women's liberation. Love to hear her take on it. I have popcorn ready.
/r/EverydayMisandry19/06/24 02:17 AM
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Then start caring again. Specifically, about how you learn new things. Because you're doing it wrong.
/r/MensRights22/05/24 06:18 PM
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Shame on you for asking others to do the work. Any citation I pull up will be filtered through my own biases and access; when someone points out a fact you're not sure of, do the research. Always. It's not hard to find, usually. The only time 'citation needed' is excusable is when you legit don't have the same access or the topic is truly obscure. But since you're being lazy as fuck, and using 'citations please' as a counterargument instead of an actual interest in the topic, sure. Only way this…
/r/MensRights22/05/24 05:44 PM
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'Taken seriously' - no Crews got wild backlash from it, was called a liar and an opportunist, and had his career set back a few years because of it. Crews is kind of the opposite example here. He was tarred and feathered, not 'taken seriously'. I remember pushing back against Crews haters here on Reddit, even, back in that time frame. Got downvoted for it too.
/r/MensRights22/05/24 05:07 PM
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Terry Crews for one
/r/MensRights22/05/24 05:04 PM
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Came forward and got shot down hard. You're not wrong in that MeToo inspired some male victims to speak out - Terry Crews comes to mind - but shame on them for thinking men were included. Because what happened after that became an object lesson in how men are treated poorly by society if they show any vulnerability whatsoever. If there was any one thing about MeToo that demonstrated how much it was not about "victims speaking out" and the sheer performative misandry it actually was, it was that.
/r/MensRights22/05/24 05:04 PM
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I am not a particularly violent person, would have been considered a 'gentle' kid, but martial arts classes starting when I was 12 turned my entire childhood experience around. Strongly recommend. Just make sure he's actually being taught useful technique; some "martial arts" are performative at best, and actively useless in an actual fight at worst.
/r/MensRights16/05/24 10:29 AM
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False history lesson there Some women in some societies weren't allowed citizenship... as were as many men in the same or different places. Don't feed into the narrative that women are the victims of history. It's not true, for one, and for another the narrative itself is being used to justify making men second-class citizens. Edit: this person blocked me, so I can't reply or see whatever they wrote below. Without seeing their comment though, I'd like to also point out this reference site, purpl…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/05/24 02:42 AM
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In 2011, Emily Lindon raped a young 8 year old boy, who subsequently killed himself. There are also allegations from several other families in places she's lived that such things have happened, and she's also suspected to have literally tortured one child with fire, leaving burn marks as permanent scars. Please let everyone know that no child around Emily Lindon is safe, especially boys, as she has a history of violently abusing them. We need to keep a close watch on her and exclude her from any…
/r/EverydayMisandry05/05/24 11:54 PM
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Get a bad rap. And also, the word 'incel' has been used to insult serial cheaters and dude who have 4 girlfriends who know about each other and don't care. Myron from Fresh&Fit has been called an incel, I shit you not. And while a lot of people don't like the guy - I personally could go either way, sometimes he's sketchy and sometimes he's right on the money, IMO, so I agree with both the fans and the haters... and there are a lot of both... we should all be able to agree that he's at least not …
/r/MensRights02/05/24 10:51 PM
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I suggest you all should migrate to https://kbin.social/m/men. 404 Not found Is there still a kbin for this, or is it just a dead link?
/r/EverydayMisandry02/05/24 10:33 PM
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Downside to that, is if you use your facebook profile for literally anything else, then dating through it is possibly going to end up like pissing in your own pool if you get a AWDTSM type of girl. Your friends, family and future employers will all get to see what she says about you. Good times.
/r/MensRights30/04/24 07:17 PM
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Nah, because then only the top 10% of those top 10% will see any sort of message volume. Remember, it's not an absolute rating scale being applied to us; it's a relative one. Almost every man alive today is taller, generally healthier/longer lifespan, more personal possessions/ability to support children, etcetera, compared to 200 years ago. Your average man is objectively a better catch than your average 1800's man. And yet, selectivity is *worse* now, not better. "Filter out all but the top 10…
/r/MensRights30/04/24 07:14 PM
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Narcotics enforcement agents?
/r/MensRights30/04/24 07:08 PM
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Probably not actually. In most ways, at least, Asian men don't have the highest barriers if you're rating in the oppression Olympics. In Western countries, that is. But there is one glaring exception - insofar as dating apps/dating in general? Yeah, there's an argument to be made. Sorry, Asian dudes. I've got your back, that's some ill shit going on there. But, counterpoint to that - dating apps are terrible for everyone involved with a vanishingly small group of men excepted, so... I understand…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/04/24 10:19 PM
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A lot. But it's complex and easy to get tunnel vision in one way or another as you lock into one aspect or another. For example, an obvious - for men who've experienced this - bottleneck is in the "approaching strangers" phase. After all, everyone in your life including your parents is a stranger to you at some point; approaching strangers is the only way to make new friends, lovers, and support. Or having them approach you. However, it is comparatively rare for women to approach strange men and…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/04/24 01:57 AM
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Layer one: as women, in a default state of nature, no it's not their job specifically. Layer two: as a human living in a society, it's everyone's job, and negatively affects everyone's quality of life, even women in the long term as the men around them increasingly fail. Layer three: Men are at a reputational and notional disadvantage when trying to address issues affecting other men, because of societal bias - a bias that is roughly equally, maybe more maybe less but in striking range of being …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/04/24 02:09 PM
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Surprised at the down votes. A few years ago - or even just a year ago - this comment would have gotten probably mid-20's up if it was middle of the road timing on your average sub, as I'm guessing it is if you're crossposting it. Reddit is taking a turn for the better, maybe
/r/EverydayMisandry02/04/24 03:35 AM
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Fair enough. I was recently on a conversation where reddit's admin specifically permitted discrimination against white men, so I got my wires crossed mentally. In the rest of society, misandry absolutely affects all men, not just white ones. Didn't mean to occlude that distinction when not discussing Reddit policy itself.
/r/EverydayMisandry01/04/24 10:47 PM
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You can tell this person is a)probably under 30, unless they have a teaching degree b)probably sheltered and/or has never had encounters with law enforcement c)received their opinion from academic echo chambers who lost the thread of 'diversity' the moment they forgot that was supposed to include everyone, not just everyone not white and male
/r/EverydayMisandry01/04/24 12:52 AM
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When I was 12, a man renting a room from my mother was accused and convicted of rape. I was there that night - and I know full well her accusations were lies. I was tapped as a witness, but because I was underage, my testimony was discounted. He went to jail for 15 years. When I was 22, I hosted a party; a friend's (and subleaser's, a woman) younger brother turned 18 the week before, and lost his virginity to a party guest that night. Thing was, he was... not the most attractive man... and she c…
/r/EverydayMisandry26/03/24 01:55 PM
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un fucking real
/r/EverydayMisandry19/03/24 02:42 AM
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Text for the linked post: Z's "male loneliness crisis" in their sub is getting out of hand Their sub is completely filled with so many of those kids feeling sorry for themselves, blaming woman for all their issues, and a bunch of incel hate. It's like an Andrew Tate echo chamber in there and I'm genuinely worried about them. It seems they've taken a very right leaning stance and think that Republicans care about them because society hates men. Literally everyone experiences loneliness especially…
/r/EverydayMisandry14/03/24 10:36 PM
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Precum has sperm in it. Sperm that, in the right conditions, can live sometimes longer than 24 hours on the skin. Many men have nocturnal emissions, i.e., cum in their sleep. Others have difficulty either having an orgasm, or not having an orgasm, when desired. These are not rare issues; they are common. The person you're speaking with has no idea in the world how 'men' actually function. Setting aside the rape issue - which I agree with you on - they would still be wrong even if everything was …
/r/EverydayMisandry13/03/24 03:30 AM
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This is perfection. I can't add to this comment, it sums up what I'd want to say exactly.
/r/EverydayMisandry12/03/24 01:05 AM
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It's so weird how that works. You'd think that women, who have been the object of messages about 'staying safe' most of their lives - or at least the ones in my age bracket, gen X - would have some ability to transfer that over to the men in their lives. Like, a dude walking home alone - "Check in with me so I know you got home ok." But it almost never happens in that direction. It's this huge cultural blind spot. Women can't seem to imagine that men in their lives can be threatened, or that if …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/03/24 11:30 AM
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It's even worse when the therapists are trained and/or inclined to be at best blaming your masculinity as the problem, and at worst blaming you for being an 'oppressor'. I just got pilloried for pointing out how toxic 'patriarchy theory' was making therapists. There are a lot of people invested in the idea that society oppresses women more than it does men. And of that, a subset that is far too large, that uses this as justification for society offering men less. I got a lot of hate on that post…
/r/MensRights26/02/24 01:38 AM
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steelmanning the worst accusation here, "what percentage of men get raped by women"? According to current estimates, over 27% of men and over 32% of women had been sexually victimized at some time in their lives And given that men in particular under-report such incidents, as the paper points out, well... Also, CDC sexual violence review from 2019 found that when 'forced to penetrate' questions were added to their survey, incidents of rape between men and women rose to parity, with 'current year…
/r/EverydayMisandry25/02/24 08:13 AM
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I'm completely on the same page as you are. For instance, one one social justice issue in particular: abortion; in a different timeline, I'd absolutely care about making sure women had access to professional abortion services, right up to the third trimester. I.E., as it used to be nationwide. But the fact that there is absolutely no effort made to support the rights of fathers, and fathers-to-be... that abortion technology and access for women, has evolved into a situation where men have less r…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/02/24 04:15 AM
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Ah. The "Dihydrogen Monoxide" defense. Gotcha. Carry on
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/02/24 06:49 PM
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He explained it in a post he made... er, yesterday? one sec okay yes it was yesterday Reddit time does not track with real time for me, so I had to check lol Anyway... so, heteronormative complex. I might be missing something, in fact I'm almost certain I am, but what I got is "society is mostly straight people dealing with each other." I feel like that's a reductive as hell interpretation on my part. It has to be. And yet, that is what I have received from this whole thing. So assuming I'm not …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/02/24 07:04 AM
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Oh my god, what a hateful collection of commentary. Both towards you, and towards men in general. All while denying they're being hateful. On the 'heteronormative' thing, I mean... so I don't think there's a patriarchy. Matter of fact, I think Gerda Lerner was debunked pretty much before the ink dried on her book, and the entire revisionist vision of history feminists have inflicted on humanity is a perversion of truth and ethical behavior. But it seems what you're saying about 'heteronormative'…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/02/24 04:43 AM
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One comment (paraphrased): "We don't even talk about men in feminist spaces" - lot to unpack there, but it's not the enlightened approach that person seems to think it is, in my view...
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/02/24 04:34 AM
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The stop calling yourself a feminist. There are so many reasons, the history of feminism is littered with actual terrorism and general bigotry against men, but ignore all that. Think about the word 'feminism'. If you are a woman's advocate and care nothing about men's rights, then it won't bother you. BUT, if you care about equality, then you - as you did - have to include 'men's rights' as a separate issue. Why? Because feminism does not represent men, and therefore does not represent equality.…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/02/24 02:10 AM
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I'm not gonna say you're wrong, and that I like how men are treated. You're right, and I hate how men are treated. But I can explain at least a piece of it. The key here is 'male sexuality'. As in, the same sexuality that is, well, competition. To other men. And the natural reaction is full crab-in-a-bucket mentality; men who are successful with women, or trying to be, are mocked and scorned for various reasons. Any chink in the armor is a fair target. Worse is that some of those guys are in fac…
/r/MensRights16/02/24 10:07 PM
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Just ask anyone who insists feminism represents equality why it's called "feminism," and then ask if that's ok, then why is "waitress" or "policeman" bad and watch their head explode.
/r/MensRights16/02/24 04:48 PM
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- VAWA - Laws and legal definitions of rape both federally and in many states - Most states don't have default shared custody still - Title IX implementations - the Duluth model still governs treatment of domestic violence issues in most areas of the country, despite being debunked by its own developer - Affirmative action laws disproportionately affect men both in hiring and in education, despite the latter being dominated by women 3-to-2 or nearly so - Safe harbor laws disproportionately affec…
/r/MensRights16/02/24 04:43 PM
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Feminism was never needed. Before you get upset thinking I'm advocating for women not having equal rights, don't. That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that feminism didn't do that. Liberal values, humanitarianism, and the evolution of laws over time did that. feminism is to equality, what ISIS or Al Qaeda is to Islam.
/r/MensRights16/02/24 04:22 PM
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Oh no, some of them are honest about that in dating profiles. Much as I abhor lying and hypocrisy, though, the ones who blatantly demonstrate such greed are not better. Oh, and look up financial domination sometimes. The shit those women say from that corner is absolute "Falling Down" or "Rampage" fuel.
/r/MensRights16/02/24 02:26 PM
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It's not just women on Reddit doing this, it's also other men. I'd even dare to say, it might be mostly other men contributing to general misandry. At least in those subs. It depends, some are more women, but that's less common. Something to keep in mind.
/r/MensRights14/02/24 02:55 PM
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I think I need someone to protect me from that guy.
/r/EverydayMisandry13/02/24 12:56 PM
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brilliant thank you
/r/MensRights10/02/24 08:11 PM
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...login wall which is new, TikTok didn't used to require a sign in. Might be you're 'adult content' to the algorithm? Either way, it's lost on me unless an alternate source is provided
/r/MensRights10/02/24 03:22 PM
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> This is not a gray area. A woman's right to choose is an inarguable pillar of any left-wing belief system. Gonna have to argue with you here. A human's right to choose is an inarguable pillar of any liberal belief system. That is, if the other party in question is not sapient and therefore has no investment; future potential is only that, potential. I value the parent's right to navigate their choices more than a fetus', always. On those grounds, if we were truly treating all potential parents…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/24 04:39 PM
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hoooooooly shit This woman is working very hard to justify putting her on a watch list
/r/EverydayMisandry07/02/24 11:48 PM
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It's really not a win. Compare this to if they just left her alone. Or were more egalitarian themselves. That would be a win. This? This is abusive. Regardless of if it's a backhanded compliment or not, doesn't really make it better.
/r/EverydayMisandry07/02/24 06:31 AM
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Reminder: this was on CNBC. This wasn't some random collection of Youtubers. This travesty of false assumptions, bad logic, easily debunked talking points and sometimes outright lies was on network television. Much less relevant these days, but still an important distinction. ...Which means they'll cave to pushback, lol. The reason this idiocy got airtime in the first place is because of whining by somebody. So... if it worked for them...
/r/AntiFeminists07/02/24 06:27 AM
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You're not getting it. I'm aware that, on men's issues and feminism, Biden is playing for the wrong team. I just know for a fact that, despite a few moves to the contrary, Trump is ultimately worse. A few random wins from the slot machine does not mean that in the end it won't steal all your money if you let it. That's Trump.
/r/MensRights07/02/24 06:03 AM
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No, it's that I'm sure Trump would shit on men's rights like he does every other American right. Nothing is sacred to that man. That is not a good thing. Biden at least does have some respect for social justice. And as dirty a phrase as that's become, as misused, it's still something we can't really dispense with. Oligarchy with no Title IX is the best scenario with Trump in charge, and that is simply not good enough. It's not better than men's issues continuing, but corporatism put into check. …
/r/MensRights06/02/24 07:17 AM
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Yeah nah. Trust me, I really wanted an alternative. I hated Hillary. So I held my nose and listened to Trump. Even though I knew people he's personally fucked over with his lies, I gave him a chance and listened. The man does not keep his word. He does not keep the same message. I had a recent reminder of this happen, regarding Wikileaks. But frankly he doesn't keep the same message on anything. And on top of that, practically every act he accomplished was negative. He raised taxes on poor peopl…
/r/MensRights06/02/24 06:39 AM
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That is pretty much the only argument I have ever seen that Trump isn't a complete waste of our attention. Conversely, VAWA is the only real black mark I have against Biden. God damn I wish literally any other candidate - any of them at all - consistently pushed back against Title IX bullshit without walking it back. Including other MAGA hats. I don't trust Trump to even hold water on issues I disagree with. I trust him for nothing. Why can't someone who is even remotely reliable be the one to m…
/r/MensRights06/02/24 05:40 AM
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If I thought Trump was reliable on anything ever in the history of political issues, this might move the needle. As it stands, I don't trust Trump to support men's issues the same way I don't expect him to do anything else useful or moral. But hey, if it puts the brakes on some of the more extreme idpol shitheads in my liberal party - one I refuse to let them define what 'liberal' means - then sure, let's use Trump as a bogeyman. As long as it doesn't backfire and somehow earn Trump the feminist…
/r/MensRights06/02/24 05:31 AM
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> lets not pretend as if this is discrimination against whiteness as a whole But... that's exactly what it is? It's 'othering' behavior. I have never heard a black person (the ones who care, anyway; plenty don't hold this bias - but I'm talking about the ones that do) talk about 'code switching' when talking to white people as if it weren't an imposition on them. As if dealing with 'whiteness' in the general sense is bothersome to them. That they talk about black folk 'acting white' with the sam…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/02/24 05:15 AM
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This is hard. I don't want to deconstruct a message like this when the destination is pretty close to the picture I myself advocate. But... the road we get there by, matters. Else it's far too easy to get lost. The first half of this video was incredibly difficult to stomach. Error after error, regarding feminism, coverture, characters like Elizabeth Stanton, and so on. Those early feminists were not heroes; they were bigots in their own right, calling men animals and suggesting many of the same…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/02/24 02:04 AM
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Ok then. Guess I must lack reading comprehension, then. I'd consider reporting this, for the ad hominims and personal attacks, but I think a worse punishment is to leave this up. To anyone reading the exchange, and anyone who reads the FBI definition (both the SRS and the NIBRS ones) and sees how in that same document the FBI explains how the two entities operate... I'm thinking you only embarrass yourself here.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/01/24 09:03 PM
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Ok. Looked at the whole document. You're still wrong. Now what? You're probably thinking of the subdivision definitions further down the page. The part where, after a crime is included under part one of the uniform crime reporting program, called Summary Reporting (SRS), the data organising ruleset (and also the name of the database) called NIBRS says this: The following text provides definitions of the offenses collected in the NIBRS that relate to rape.Rape (except incest and statutory rape - …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/01/24 08:52 PM
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From your link: Beginning in 2013, rape is defined for Summary UCR purposes as, “Penetration, no matter how slight, of the vagina or anus with any body part or object, or oral penetration by a sex organ of another person, without the consent of the victim.” The new definition updated the 80-year-old historical definition of rape which was “carnal knowledge of a female forcibly and against her will.” Effectively, the revised definition expands rape to include both male and female victims and offe…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/01/24 08:40 PM
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Only recently did the FBI expand the definition of rape to include sexual assaults that do not involve penetration They have not done this. What they changed was a definition that once specified the victim was a woman, into one that specified the victim be penetrated. 'Forced to penetrate' crimes are still not defined as rape by the FBI, which excludes the vast majority of male victims/female perpetrators, even though colloquially 'forced to have sex' is the usual definition. And the one the 201…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/01/24 08:21 PM
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There's another Redditor here, u/griii2, that's been keeping a running tab on feminism over at /r/ToxicFeminismIsToxic. Check it out. But the very biggest hot-button issue for me, relating to lies created and/or inflated by feminists directly, is the one-sided characterization of men as the more violent, dangerous sex. Everything from university Title IX kangaroo courts persecuting male students, to harsher prison sentencing, to child custody battles, to the lack of support for male victims of d…
/r/MensRights28/01/24 01:07 PM
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She should have that conversation with me. I won't ask vague questions, I'll ask extremely pointed ones. And I will have a very serious conversation. I will fucking dismantle her bigoted 'woke' camel shit excuse of a worldview. By the time I'm done she'll be more than happy to deal with some guy being nice and apolitical in order to get laid. She'll fucking celebrate it.
/r/EverydayMisandry28/01/24 01:23 AM
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Richard Reeves wants boys to start school a year later because he thinks they're dumber than girls. Nevermind the exact same logic in reverse was one of the excuses given when it was girls who performed more poorly in classrooms, or were excluded from them. Nah, can't be societal bias. Must be biology. /s The guy is not a valuable advocate for men. He's a pandering feminist trying to maintain 'men are bad' language, while adding the message 'sad men are worse, we gotta do something', and doing a…
/r/MensRights28/01/24 01:07 AM
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> Only 20% of people DIY it. Not because we don't know how. You got your drip pan, a rag, turn the plug out, wait an hour, put the new oil in up to the line, it's not fucking rocket science. Yet I got mechanics to do it anyway. Why? Because disposal is a stone bitch. It's worth the extra money just to not have to deal with that.
/r/MensRights25/01/24 01:01 PM
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I've said it before and I'll say it again: the internet will never know who I'm dating. I will never mention it because there is never anything but sadness that comes from that. If I absolutely must share, it'll be the most sanitized and generic description possible. And deleted/wiped at the first opportunity, to the best of my capabilities (though the Internet has a long memory, sadly.) As a corollary, if the woman I'm seeing posts about me without my prior knowledge and consent - even to prais…
/r/MensRights25/01/24 12:56 PM
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So where is her obligation to make us comfortable in all of this? The problem with your argument isn't that courtesy is unnecessary. That we shouldn't make an effort to adjust for each other's comfort zones. We absolutely should. All of us, including women towards men. The problem is that your argument is incredibly one-sided. And based on bias and bigotry, to be frank with you. The comparison between a man walking down the street, and a literal terrorist, puts that problem into stark relief. I …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/01/24 12:06 PM
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Ah, my mistake
/r/MensRights24/01/24 06:29 PM
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India? The same country where kidnapping men to force them to marry isn't just a thing, but happened some 10,000+ times so far? That India? Or are we talking about the same India where brothers vow to die for their sisters (but not the reverse) as a coming-of-age ceremony? That India? Yeah. There's just a teeny bit of misandrist laws in India... just a little. A wee bit.
/r/MensRights24/01/24 05:37 PM
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> they've got good reasons to be cautious. No. No they do not. That is a lie you've been told (mostly by feminists) and are now repeating.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/01/24 07:36 PM
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The usual phrase for it in English is 'paper abortion'. Gets the idea across without implying actual medical intervention. I agree 'legal abortion' threw me for a bit too.
/r/MensRights22/01/24 06:37 PM
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I just commented on one woman's question: "Why are older men less likely to talk to me?" with "Because misandry is real and eventually gets to us." immediately I was downvoted. People really, really don't want to let light shine on this. It's very disheartening.
/r/MensRights22/01/24 03:24 PM
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Big fan of this approach. This is the answer
/r/MensRights19/01/24 01:30 AM
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Argentina's loss is some other country's loss Props. Clever wordplay there, had to double-take
/r/MensRights18/01/24 03:07 PM
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The U.S. It's a controversial topic, but there are studies floating around with even higher numbers; there was one census of children under 18 that actually had more boys than girls reporting some form of sexual assault, above 80% of the perpetrators being older women. I lost the thread but if one of you lovely wonders can dig it up for me again, I will thank you profusely Any Title IX university proceeding, natch How is this a metric? How about countries where men aren't required to serve in th…
/r/MensRights17/01/24 05:39 PM
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Feminism is a hate group. Look. Any idea, taken to extremes, goes from good to bad. Communism is the notion of industry being taken over by groups of workers in that industry - 'communes' - as a natural process of people controlling their own labor. Which can be great! For a coffee shop, or some businesses where the workers have significant investment and mechanisms in place to keep everyone honorable. BUT, when you have a militant, authoritarian group creating a 'commune' out of an entire count…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/01/24 05:25 PM
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How much time do you have?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/01/24 03:05 AM
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By realising how many men are feminists or parrot their talking points, defend hatred against men, defend bigotry against men, actively encourage it even. And watching the women that argue against feminism. Who try to do something. Honestly, without many of those women - Karen Straughan, Cassie Jaye, Erin Pizzey, the list is pretty extensive - men would have no voice at all without women like that supporting us. Because of feminists, sure, but largely because of other men who are feminists. It s…
/r/MensRights08/01/24 12:43 AM
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That does not sound as effective as brushing and beard oil, but if you want to try it you have my blessing.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/11/23 02:27 AM
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Ok, so I think we're sympatico on the Vaush element. But I take issue with your attitude towards beards. Liking them is not enough, you must respect them. As a man who has lived with the... itchiness... you CANNOT just 'grow a beard'. You must nurture it. Oil it. Brush it, and remove the occasional crumbs. Because, and I tell you this from experience, if you don't respect the beard... then it will enact vengeance upon you. Itchy, itchy vengeance.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/11/23 06:21 PM
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Yeah... I know. But the man has such a magnificent beard. I mean, I can respect the time and effort that went into that facial hair, you know? I just wish it were growing out of a face I didn't increasingly wish to punch the longer noises come out of it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/11/23 06:01 PM
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He's one of those faces on major news networks like CNN and MSNBC; and you just know sometimes that he wants to say more, but is walking a fine line. But he does good work with the room he's given. Yeah, Galloway's one of the good ones.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/11/23 05:16 PM
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Eh. Those are the same reasons I think Vaush isn't a better than average advocate for men. I'd rate him as considerably worse than average. Just the fact he doesn't challenge the assumptive notion of patriarchy puts him at bottom rung for me, and that he actively discriminates against men in comparison to women, with no bones about it, pretty much removes him from the list of voices I respect entirely. Also, can that man go through one stream without literally telling us he's smarter than someon…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/11/23 05:10 PM
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Trump’s republican wave is different Yeah, it was worse They support the middle class and against big businesses and the elite This is the opposite of true. It's so wrong I'm actually mad. Look up Ajit Pai sometime, as just one example of how much Trump fucked over middle America. I could write a book about all the ways that lying grifter fucked us all over, but it's already been done to death and failed to convince the idiots repeating this line Trump is not your friend unless you have more tha…
/r/MensRights26/11/23 06:44 PM
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If 'right wing' representatives actually stood for the things they claim to, I might vote for a few of them. Sometimes. Holding my nose. Because even worse than someone I mildly disagree with, is someone I agree with who ends up being a grifter or traitor. And even worse than that is someone I disagree with, who doesn't even uphold the things I disagree with them about. Both disagreeable and a fraud. And the Republican party is absolutely infested with people like that. Pretty much every Rep pre…
/r/MensRights26/11/23 06:08 PM
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Obligatory reminder that feminism has never been beneficial, has always been an extremist hate group, and that real change for women's rights happened due to economic conditions and a moderate liberal (in the classic sense of liberal) majority; and within roughly the same time frame that universal sufferage was given to men and excluded minorities, for which feminism played a vanishingly small role despite its historic claims. Feminism is a polemic, always has been, and is an antagonist towards …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/11/23 03:06 PM
2

Psypost is sketchy as hell. Their reporting is sensationalist and generally untrustworthy. The study might be good, might not be, but if it's Psypost I'm betting it isn't good. Even if the headline is saying something painfully obvious, just the fact it's Psypost saying it has me doubting.
/r/MensRights22/11/23 06:23 AM
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Nice!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/11/23 01:52 AM
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Counterpoint to your feminist friend: Bell Hooks was racist against black men. The original deconstruction of Hooks was taken down from Twitter (I mean X... or the artist formerly known as Twitter, or whatever...) but thankfully the Internet Archive is still there to preserve this absolute masterpiece. A better argument against Hooks' bullshit has never been put together before or since. I really hope someone takes this to the touchdown, and does a more permanent-ish writeup on all the myriad wa…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/11/23 09:29 AM
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One consequence of being invisible is that some men will note 'normal means invisible' and start straying into extremes just to feel some form of appreciation, even if it comes with serious downsides.
/r/MensRights14/11/23 10:41 PM
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So women weren't the oppressors either boss. Not as a whole unit. Well, in most cultures. The Iroquois women were kind of shitty, matriarchal slavers. And there's a few other examples. But that's besides the point. Both men and women did what they could to secure futures for themselves and their children. The problem is that in framing history as men oppressing women, we've given carte blanche to efforts that oppress or discriminate against men. Much like anti-semites often try to justify Jews b…
/r/MensRights06/11/23 06:42 AM
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Ok but opportunity implies useful context. This isn't that. It's just a confusing and irrelevant insert.
/r/MensRights05/11/23 12:11 AM
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Is that a picture of Trudeau with the pinocchio nose? I mean, I'm not a fan of his obviously, no one sane is, but how is he involved in any of this?
/r/MensRights04/11/23 11:42 PM
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Mandatory relevant fact: "feminism has always been extremism and hatred, even in the beginning, modern feminism is not worse but more of the same." There are endless examples of this. It's actually exhausting to repeat them all. Feminism has never been good. You want equal rights for everyone, great; that's liberalism, or egalitarianism. Feminism is not that despite some people's claims. It's bigotry.
/r/MensRights04/11/23 03:45 AM
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Insecure? No. Unrealistic? Yes. The odds are very high that any given woman will have more sexual experience than you. This is born out in pretty much every study that's been done in the past 10 years. And it's just common sense - it's much easier for women to find. So if you're going to be dating at all, you have to match expectations with reality. Unless you're wealth and attractive enough to be beating women off with a stick, you don't have much choice.
/r/MensRights02/11/23 02:15 PM
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Elizabeth Cady Stanton was the organizer at Seneca Falls, considered the inception of the feminist movement in the U.S. She is not some random name I pulled out of a hat. She was the face and voice of feminism for her time. And also an extremist bigot. I get what you're saying, but it does not apply here. Feminism is for many reasons and in many ways an extremist hate group, always has been, and is not merely a good cause tainted by a few bad actors. It's always been rotten to its core. It's mor…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/10/23 04:23 PM
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Mandatory "Feminism has always been bigoted extremism, the first wave was not different from modern feminism" comment. The list of citations I can quote to demonstrate this is endless. But my go-to is Mrs. Elizabeth Cady Stanton, of Seneca Falls fame, calling men animals that women must control.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/10/23 03:41 PM
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You might be right. I've certainly felt this way a few times. Thing is though, often the target audience isn't the person you're directly debating, but the people who read both of you and judge based on the case presented. The person you're debating themselves probably won't change gears (though it does, rarely, happen.) But they are not the ones you should base your success or failure on. Nor the voters, either, for that matter. But the ones who are still open-minded, haven't decided, or in the…
/r/MensRights28/10/23 12:56 PM
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I'm going to go against the grain here and suggest it's a minority opinion vs. majority opinion effect. Not that the majority opinion on reddit (feminist, misandrist, bigoted bullshit everywhere I go) is correct. Far from it. But, to people supported by the crowd, it feels correct; and more, nonthreatening. They don't need dissenting opinions, they've already got the crowd at their back. And they don't need to open up for debate, or seek out minority opinions in order to resolve the issues they …
/r/MensRights28/10/23 11:38 AM
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Define 'both'. Not sure where you're going with that. But yes, I've been atheist since I was old enough to register what they were trying to tell me in church.
/r/MensRights23/10/23 09:24 PM
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That's where the focus should be, I agree. Wealth inequality trumps pretty much every other kind. That said, keep an eye out; from what I've heard, the issues boys are having in schools are nearly universal, not just in English-speaking countries.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/10/23 12:08 AM
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Have you discussed this sort of thing with your classmates?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/10/23 07:20 PM
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1000% agree.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/10/23 03:36 PM
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Holy shit. You're not wrong. Though it's not just "women." Some of those posts are from male teachers. One post was a teenager himself who was working as an aide (which I did too many years ago, and had no issues like he describes.) All of them are crapping all over boys, though. And the comment sections are rough, too. Daaammn... to the parents of boys out there, do this. Go run a search on 'boys' in that sub reddit. The percentage of awful hot takes is too damned high. I don't know if it says …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/10/23 11:22 AM
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It's a frequently asked question here too, but since the answer changes over time - after all, even asking the question means something gets more spoken about - it should probably not be deleted. Anyway, in my opinion the root cause of much of the other issues men face, and something not talked about nearly enough in its own right, is bias. Bias in the media, in courtrooms, in academia, on the streets. Bias from men, to men; and bias from women, to men. Often the same talking points, even. It do…
/r/MensRights21/10/23 09:31 AM
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There are murderers out there who are women walking the streets. Rapists, thieves, and liars who have ruined not only the men that try to partner with them, but their own children's lives. Jada has long-term marriage drama. Not even the worst I've heard about this year. So she cheated on him, so what. Is she a good wife? No. A good person? Signs point to doubt. But. She is far far from 'worst woman of the year'.
/r/MensRights18/10/23 12:46 PM
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Baseless.
/r/MensRights18/10/23 07:43 AM
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As someone who generally believes in social safety nets, collective bargaining, wealth inequality being a bad thing, and other similar 'left' ideals, I still have less in common with an identity-politics hamstering hypocrite than a right-wing conservative using different words to say the same things does. In other words, 'conservatives' I dump into the same pile as 'feminists', often. Both of them would, for example, argue that men deserve worse treatment in the court system. And have argued tha…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/10/23 04:41 AM
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This is fantastic news.
/r/MensRights16/10/23 01:38 AM
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Mandatory "Patriarchy theory is a damned dirty lie" message.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/10/23 01:36 AM
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Yeah, that commentary has 'brigade' written all over it.
/r/MensRights15/10/23 04:45 AM
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Your assertion was that 'male on female violence is more common.' The evidence directly disputes that. You then shift the goal post to 'murders', which even you admit is primarily male on male. Take the L. You were wrong. There's no shame in that. But. Don't try to reframe in order to be right all along, because nobody's buying that crap. And there is shame in that. And FWIW, I don't trust the "93%" statistic personally. This is purely anecdotal, but I watched a woman get away with literal murde…
/r/MensRights14/10/23 07:37 AM
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So, you probably already know this already, but it bears mentioning anyway: alcohol opens your capillaries and lets body heat escape faster. You're only feeling warmer, the reality is opposite that. By baby, I'm assuming you are talking about a pet of some kind? Please tell me it's not a literal baby.
/r/MenSupportMen14/10/23 07:27 AM
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Spoken like someone who knows they're wrong, but wants to rest on the superficial reasoning that sounded good when they started speaking instead of working through their mistakes. Bye.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/10/23 03:10 AM
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I never said I wasn't "impressed" with you, I just don't think our values are sufficiently aligned to make conversation fruitful. That's walking back and even light gaslighting regarding something that was clearly snark. The snark itself is what it is; but denying it? I mean, if you really want to be dogmatic about it, the reason I'm not impressed with you was because of values not aligning, specifically values regarding not jumping to conclusions or drawing erroneous inferences and making judge…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/10/23 11:23 PM
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Don't minimize the control the option of abortion grants one partner - the woman - over the life of the other. It's immense. It's not trivial. Treating it as such is prejudicial. Both parents have extraordinary interests at stake. That one is physically carrying the pregnancy, is not sufficient cause to abrogate the control of the other. A balancing point closer to the center must be found. Dismissing that as 'atrocious' is itself atrocious, ethically. In my view, the man should be able to reque…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/10/23 02:09 PM
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This is why I and pro-choice folk who haven't looked past 'my body, my choice' can't see eye-to-eye. If men should have no say over an abortion decision, no choice at all, given how immensely important it is to their future... then it is not fair or just to say women should either. It's just too imbalanced. Pregnancy is 9 months. A child is forever. Even if you're not 'responsible' for raising it or paying for its upbringing, which is why I can't entirely accept the paper abortion argument. Abor…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/10/23 07:06 AM
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I disagree. There's quite a few holes in this logic. First: This framework only makes sense if you assume men don't want to be fathers because they're avoiding responsibility. What if they instead don't want a child because they do feel responsible for bringing a person into the world, and feel that child would have too rough a go of it? In a slightly less direct but similar situation, what if the man doesn't want the woman to be raising that child? To be mother of someone they feel responsible …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/10/23 04:06 AM
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Related fact of the day: witch trials in Europe overall condemned more men than women for witchcraft, with the ratio leaning more heavily towards killing men the further east you went.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/10/23 09:51 AM
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error 404 on those pages boss
/r/MensRights11/10/23 01:32 AM
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Yes, on all counts. "Incel" hits the same reflex in me as "kike" or "nigger" does. It's absurdly derogatory. Beyond the pale. I curse like a sailor, and have no shame about it, and even I think it's a bridge too far. People who use that word unreservedly should be shamed to the point their dead ancestors feel it. It didn't start out that way, but then few vituperatives do. It's certainly arrived there, though.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/10/23 12:50 AM
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He is aware that the Spartans died out, right? ...Right? Like, that their society dissapeared after generations of shrinking spartan population, and a brief slave revolt? ...He does know that, right? So, this must be satire. Like, "Oh, right! History tells us not to do the thing where we use men as disposable!" Gotta be satire. ...please?
/r/MensRights10/10/23 11:43 PM
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Elizabeth Stanton wrote "[women] at last shake off their lethargy... false education and habits... to save man from the bondage of his animal nature - the slavery of his low appetites."I do not exaggerate when I say the organizer of the first convention of feminists called men animals that women needed to control. That is exactly what she fucking well said. Feminism, let us be perfectly clear, has ALWAYS been a toxic, hateful, breeding ground of evil. Always.
/r/MensRights10/10/23 10:35 PM
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Unfortunately, feminism exists. The timeline works like this: you have a group of bright sparks that think hard about the 'natural state' of mankind. That is, what we would all be like if we had no society, had no history, had no rules, and were trying to figure it all out from the beginning. That's what they mean by 'natural state'. What would be able to do, freely, inherently, in that natural state? Eliminate the things that we could 'freely' do, that impugn the freedom of others, like murder …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/10/23 09:35 PM
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If you want it all to not be a contest, you have to abandon feminism whole cloth. It is inherently one-sided. Structurally a polemic. Liberalism in the vein of John Locke et. al. is concerned with human rights for all. And was from its beginnings. So obviously it can be done. But not if you have a twisted polemicised variant of it, espousing the same virtues but in practice subverting and destroying them, that is clouding our collective social contract.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/10/23 07:53 PM
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lol ok that was a half-chuckler. Stronger than an involuntary snort, not as strong as a belly buster.
/r/MensRights10/10/23 07:45 PM
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Obligatory "Modern feminism is not different. Feminism has always been an ideology of hatred and bigotry."
/r/MensRights10/10/23 07:43 PM
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At least these researchers had the professional integrity to reveal how bad of a failure this was. I'm kind of impressed by that, actually. My opinion of social scientists has sunk so low that this caught my attention on that basis alone. That being said, this feels like a class-action lawsuit whilst in the fermentation stage.
/r/MensRights10/10/23 10:11 AM
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Yep. I've been on and off the boards, that are discussing why Israelis are not bad people for fighting back after this, why one atrocity does not justify a different atrocity, etcetera and so forth. All the big-ticket politics stuff, I've been reading about and whatnot. But in the back of my mind... I did notice how they cut out the pics of all the dead male civilians, and just left us with the quasi-porn stuff. How the words 'people' and 'women' are used, and the word 'men' is not, in headlines…
/r/MensRights10/10/23 03:58 AM
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Real talk? I think it's because in your heart of hearts you still believe your public officials have your best interest in mind. Y'all should steal a page or two from your neighbors in France. They know what's up.
/r/MensRights09/10/23 11:53 PM
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I don't care in the immediate circumstance. I judge the person. Man, woman, makes no sniff. Asshole/not asshole is what matters. On the wider view it's an absolute outrage though. Not because there are so many women managers, but because there's a massive denial of it. Women have outnumbered men in management positions for decades now. It's not a huge difference... until you take into context how women do not similarly outnumber men as bottom rung employees. And then they wanna tell me women mak…
/r/MensRights09/10/23 09:40 PM
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Yeah, I get what you're saying. Speak your truth, anyway. But have the actual stats on female offenders locked and loaded, and ready in case anyone tries to use you as evidence out of context to disparage gay men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/10/23 09:23 PM
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I mean, that's a reasonable assumption and I'm not saying you're wrong. But, uh... absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. The only thing that can be said about the evidence we have right now, the only conclusion that is perfectly accurate, is... single fathers do better than single mothers overall. It's reasonable to hypothesize that's because of selection bias, but the only way to test that is a counterexample of a society where fathers got the vast majority of primary custody, keep re…
/r/MensRights09/10/23 04:42 PM
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Feminism has never not been toxic. Read some of the stuff they've written. Not the cliff notes, the original documents. Elizabeth Stanton wrote "[women] at last shake off their lethargy... false education and habits... to save man from the bondage of his animal nature - the slavery of his low appetites." I do not exaggerate when I say the organizer of the first convention of feminists called men animals that women needed to control. That is exactly what she fucking well said. That was in her ope…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/10/23 04:26 PM
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I suggested Asmon because millions of people tuned into his channel. I then pointed out a more useful resource than him. If your thought process stops at "what a loser, lol", you are not relevant.
/r/MensRights08/10/23 01:50 AM
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There's the Asmongold coverage of it. Emily Baker was my go-to during the trial, though. She does not start the trial sympathetic to Depp. The problem with her coverage though is that there's... a lot. Like, a lot lot. 4 hours a day, every day, during the trial. But if you want perhaps the best example of "Why Depp was not the asshole here", Emily Baker is your best bet in my opinion. A lawyer, a purple-haired feminist, at the start of it all neutral but not favorable towards Depp, by the end of…
/r/MensRights07/10/23 11:04 PM
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To my British brothers and sisters reading this: What the hell are you doing? All the worst news about men's rights is coming from there lately. When are you going to hit the streets about all of this? This is mass-movement, protest-worthy stuff happening. Like, legitimately worse than many things you have protested. Where's the organizing? Where's the rage? Make your damn voices heard before it's too late y'all. It's not enough to gasp and nitter at the latest Daily mail article about the absol…
/r/MensRights07/10/23 09:52 PM
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why would this be a better discussion for the leftwing men advocate subreddit and not this one? They'll say the exact same things, but they'll be slightly less confrontational and angry about it. Slightly. Which might make the pill easier to swallow. I feel like women being on board with the men’s rights movement will do it some justice. There are a lot of women in this sub. A LOT. More than the average for Reddit. Don't feel like you're an alien species here, there is a wide swathe of women who…
/r/MensRights07/10/23 09:15 PM
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What he's referring to is the persistent belief that men's troubles are caused by 'men' themselves, despite a long and storied history of feminists deliberately creating an environment hostile to men and enforcing it. 'Toxic masculinity' is only the latest generation's excuse for it. But it's always been a part of feminism; in the beginning, it was the 'inherent moral superiority of women' (Elizabeth Stanton, the organizer for Seneca Falls, used exactly those words a number of times.) Now, since…
/r/MensRights07/10/23 09:05 PM
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I always found that sort of advice ridiculous. As long as you're not masturbating on the same day, or literally giving yourself friction burns, it typically makes you more sensitive, not less. One of the advices for frigid women is to 'explore their bodies' - i.e. masturbate - in order to learn how to orgasm easier. That people don't think the same principles apply to men is ridiculous. That being said, vaginal sex is a different sensation. Not least of which is because of... pay attention to th…
/r/MenSupportMen30/09/23 12:32 PM
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7 years is not an age gap Uh huh, sure. I think we're done here. The conversation has descended to a level that is not productive.
/r/MensRights28/09/23 10:25 AM
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I'm guessing you never took a statistics class. The "average age difference" only tells you the centerpoint. Which does indeed land around 2.5 years, male older. But the distribution overall ends up wider the further out you go; because the majority - not all, but most - are older men/younger women, it shakes out to a much wider slant towards that type of age arrangement. Though there are a few outliers, like the 28yr old guy with a 79 year old woman your link mentioned, but that's not the trend…
/r/MensRights27/09/23 10:54 PM
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Sure, sure. I mean, the stats completely contradict your impressions here, with men having an inverse relationship to age and sexlessness, while women have a u-curve that looks bleak after 45, roughly half of older men are sexless compared to older women, the reverse being true for the younger cohort.... and the stats simply do not make sense unless a whole bunch of younger women are with older men... but I believe that you believe. No matter the odds, no matter the harsh reality, your worldview…
/r/MensRights27/09/23 09:47 PM
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nah. You see, there are two answers for disinformation. One answer is deplatforming. That answer sucks. It's a bad answer. There are so many reasons censorship is bad that I won't even start. The other answer is challenging it. Disinfecting it with sunlight. Being as loud, while showing your receipts. You know what isn't an answer towards people lying about you, to you, to others? Ignoring it. That is an even worse answer. It will fail. It is not a solution. Not in situations like this, anyway. …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/09/23 02:04 PM
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It's shaming tactics. Society has gotten it into its collective head to shame women for preferring older men. Or any kind of age gap, really - we shame cougars too. We also shame the hell out of men for the same things; but men are more likely to ignore or even reverse-psychology such things. Not entirely - peer pressure works on men too no lie - but slightly less. Enough to make a visible difference in behaviors like these, though. So we end up seeing far more women lie about their preferences …
/r/MensRights27/09/23 09:06 AM
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You'll be happy to know Fresh&Fit got removed from Youtube, then. I'm not. As a diehard liberal, I am absolutely infuriated by deplatforming, even of people I have to hold my nose around. Because I know I'm next. Unless I keep my mouth shut. After all, I'm not a big fan of wealth inequality or feminists, which puts me at odds with most of the people with decision-making power at the top... So even though I also frequently disagree with Fresh and Fit, the fact that they got knocked off Youtube wa…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/09/23 08:53 AM
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Don't feel too bad. Big white guy here, and people still changed lanes to get away when I'm just minding my own business. "Big" is the operative word here, not "black." Or maybe just "man" is the operative word, we're all being socially isolated to a degree unimaginable in human history prior to now, even the average-sized dudes. But either way, I look like a gentrified Viking, if it were whiteness the deciding factor I'd have far less stories to share of people being awkwardly aversive around m…
/r/MensRights27/09/23 07:57 AM
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Most of you other commenters are completely wrong about this, but it's understandable. The logic is mind-melting. It's not that these women are "unattracted to older men" and therefore deem them the creepy ones. They are not complaining about younger men... because they don't see the younger men. Those men don't exist to them. Ergo, it's not that they are calling older men creeps because they're less attracted to them, but because they're more attracted to them. Remember, it's the guys under 30 …
/r/MensRights27/09/23 07:38 AM
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Can't have that
/r/MensRights10/06/23 08:33 PM
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So... science and research has always been like this. New information being obscured or rejected if it didn't jive with the current narrative. Not just social science, either - physics, astronomy, biology, even math. Look up an older book called 'Paradigm Shift' by Thomas Kuhn, written in nineteen sixty two, where he describes much the same issue you're facing - but among everyone, including educated scientists. "Re-evaluating our opinions" is hard for people, OP. Like, really hard. And the thin…
/r/MensRights09/06/23 10:47 PM
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Take all the bad behavior you've seen over-exaggerated in this description; and reverse the actors and acted upon, and it starts to fit. Feminists (including male feminists) do horrible shit to men all the time, then justify it by accusing men of doing the same or worse. The word for that behavior is 'projection'. Feminists are projecting their own behavior onto men, and it really shouldn't be just an isolated person or so like you to notice it happening. It's so obvious it's painful to see the …
/r/MensRights08/06/23 06:25 PM
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Such things are a slow process. Vice might still be churning trash articles out 5 years from now, until the holding companies, venture vultures, etc. get completely tired of puppeting its zombie carcass.
/r/MensRights05/06/23 06:08 PM
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To be fair, it'd need to be more groupish and less just a bundle of biases and bad sociology loosely organized under the word 'feminism', but calling it 'an ideology of hatred' instead of a hate group is less punchy, and sometimes doesn't fit the noun used. I generally swap between those at whim, but you're correct in that 'hate group' is not as accurate. Still gets the meaning across, though.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/23 07:10 PM
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Fair. Ever heard the saying, 'the best lies contain mostly truth?' Patriarchy is a great lie, as witnessed by how many people get suckered for it. The answer here isn't to expand the definition of patriarchy, though - because it won't work, and just continues the lie. (men as a group are not, in fact, creating laws that put themselves into a better position than women. Not in English-speaking countries, anyway, and most of the rest of the world for that matter. And the same is true for the vast …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/23 07:00 PM
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What would properly including those two concepts look like, in your opinion?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/23 05:32 PM
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You don't have to be a feminist to be concerned about things like equality, principles of least harm, human rights, freedom, etcetera. You do need to be a feminist to believe in a one-sided, polemic ideology that corrupts all of those principles and uses them to serve bigotry against men. Don't be a feminist. You're not even helping women with that, in the long run. Egalitarianism, humanist, even liberal - in the original sense of the word - will do just fine, and far better than 'feminist'.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/23 05:30 PM
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I'd add in there somewhere that it wasn't always the case that men had significantly shorter lifespans than women. A century ago, it was roughly equivalent. I think the average was 2 years shorter lifespans for men in 1930, though you should doublecheck me on that. Some of that is natal care, sure - pregnancy used to be a lot more dangerous than it is now. But that doesn't explain the entire imbalance. It's clear that modern life hasn't been nearly as beneficial for men as it has women, in terms…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/05/23 03:50 PM
1

You feel sorry for me? I feel sorry for you. I never said I didn't have good conversations with other men, just that you don't build lasting friendships that way as a man. Not on the level women do. Imagine having those conversations every day... every week, every month, every year, with the same people, for a lifetime. Imagine feeling compelled to talk to your friends like this every day, feeling deeply uncomfortable if you don't. Women do this. Women I know have described that feeling. Men do …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/05/23 10:29 PM
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I have a simple rule. If she's talking about how bad her ex was, he lied/cheated/was messy/whatever, I'm the next ex she'll be complaining about. First badmouthing of the last guy I hear, I'm gone. I do not talk about my exes, and I demand the same behavior from anyone I date. I won't ask about her exes, either. Every angle you look at it, this behavior is bad news. If the ex was problematic, she hasn't let go of baggage. If he was only a problem in her mind, she's still assassinating his charac…
/r/MensRights28/05/23 11:07 AM
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Eh. I used to think 'all press is good press' re: P.T.Barnum, but I've learned that is not the case. Go ahead and give them 'free advertising' for being misandrist. It won't help them as much as you're worried it might.
/r/MensRights24/05/23 11:01 AM
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None of the above. Men's isolation is a symptom, not a cause - and the cause is systemic and cultural bias. Things like assuming men are dangerous predators, media tropes about men, etc. You're not going to get 'bromance' at the same time you have people warning their kids away from men. Or at the same time women cross the street to get away from a man walking behind them. Etcetera. That kind of attitude bleeds into every interaction, including interactions between only men themselves. What need…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/05/23 07:22 AM
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Take a photo. Add a red circle or two for the people who won't notice the oddness (yes, there's more than you think). Post it. Do NOT censor out the gym name.
/r/MensRights24/05/23 01:56 AM
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The criminal justice system, personally. Privately owned penitentiaries, crime quotas, just that entire sector of society is completely broken. Modern-day slavery, but with added doses of bureaucratic stupidity here and there.
/r/MensRights23/05/23 09:50 AM
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Welcome to the real war not sure why you were here before, but stuff like this goes way beyond meme war shit. There are REAL reasons why when you hear 'men are second class citizens' it is not a joke This is only one of them. It's not even the worst.
/r/MensRights21/05/23 09:40 AM
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Listen boss, I don't have any reflex distaste for the words 'females and 'males' - perfectly functional, not insulting anyone, use them and be free. BUT. They're frickin' adjectives, boss. You used adjectives when you have perfectly good nouns that are ALSO functional and not insulting anyone, and actually fit the sentence and don't hit me like nails on a chalkboard. "Men" and "women" are still words you can use. Try it. Ok, ok, I'm leaving now don't slaughter me
/r/MensRights13/05/23 10:21 PM
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If that someone is another guy? Sure, call the cops. Good idea. If it's a woman? Call a lawyer first. Get evidence. Or, if you're a dumb kid going to college for the first time, that instinct to keep your head down and ride it out is probably smarter than anyone telling you to call the police. Sorry if the world being unfair seems like a hot take to you, my guy. I hope you never have to have that belief tested.
/r/MensRights12/05/23 10:28 PM
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As someone who's been involved in police calls - as a witness - for stuff like this, that's a naive view. Even when a man's story is corroborated, he usually gets the short end of the stick. Courtrooms are a bit more evenhanded than the police themselves, but a)by that point your life has already been turned upside down, and b) they're not completely unbiased either. Just better than beat cops. Go to the police after getting rock solid evidence - admission of guilt, usually, nothing less will be…
/r/MensRights12/05/23 10:10 PM
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You say that as if the police would have taken A's side. I've seen this sort of thing play out first hand. They would not. They're often, depending on the jurisdiction, encouraged to 'find' signs of abuse. Even the fact of B's alchoholism wouldn't be a palliative; hell, it might make it worse, since being inebriated means a woman can't legally consent (which somehow doesn't translate when it's the man who's drunk, but I digress.) Your best bet is to document everything, take video, try to catch …
/r/MensRights12/05/23 10:02 PM
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I understand where you're coming from, it's a popular belief that feminism 'became' a bigoted hate movement but didn't start out that way.... You'd be wrong though. It's always been this way. Nothing was 'hijacked', and feminism isn't 'being used to push an anti-male agenda' - Read what feminists of earlier generations wrote. Dworkin, Gearhart, Greer. The White Lotus movement in Britain. Even at the beginning in Seneca Falls, Elizabeth Cady Stanton was advocating 'equality' while preaching the m…
/r/MensRights12/05/23 09:38 PM
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I want to like this, but it is very hard to read. The grammar is beyond terrible; it is genuinely incomprehensible in places. I'd suggest taking this down, running it through a few proofreading passes, then post it again. Again, I want to like this. I agree with the general sentiment. And nobody likes a grammar nazi. But good communication starts with the basics; and there is a point where things like sentence structure become painfully important. ...You're around that point right now.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/05/23 06:14 PM
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Lol indeed
/r/MensRights07/05/23 01:29 PM
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Ah, the fine art of bot baiting
/r/MensRights07/05/23 12:55 PM
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Not straw manning you. What I've been doing is called steel manning, or addressing the meat of your argument; it's just that you're making a terrible argument, so from your perspective it resembles straw manning when people disagree with you. Porn is not a societal ill. And saying it is, is in fact its own form of societal ill we've suffered from in varying degrees ever since Puritanism was a fresh new social movement. So, you know, please fucking stop. Thanks.
/r/MensRights04/05/23 08:40 PM
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But surely you can acknowledge that sometimes porn can be it’s own problem, irrespective of the marriage phenomenon. Not only do I not acknowledge that; I say the perverse focus some people have on 'solving' porn is detrimental to other efforts to resolve society's ills. It shames male sexuality. It creates a 'need' for censorship and invasive monitoring. It distracts from, as you put it, upstream issues. And there's probably other reasons I can't even think of at the moment for why this sort of…
/r/MensRights04/05/23 07:50 PM
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I have diabetes. I don't go around telling people that carbohydrates are the reason society is breaking down, and we should ban all forms of sugar or modified starches. Even if I could make a case for it, if I were to expound on the evils of table sugar. I'd be a hypocrite if I did, though - or at best, a well-intentioned but patronizing and tunnel-visioned fool. And banning table sugar would be... poorly conceived... even if some people with poor dietary habits would directly benefit. The simpl…
/r/MensRights04/05/23 07:43 PM
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The only problem with porn is people who use it as a cudgel to victim blame and bash away other more legit systemic issues. In that sense, yes, it is very problematic. Really wish people would quit doing that.
/r/MensRights04/05/23 02:30 PM
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No, it's the solution. Jokes aside though... it blows my mind that people can look at suicide rates, homelessness, drug addiction, constant denigration of men in the media, biased laws, biased schools, a mental health profession that consistently fails men horribly and assumes them to be co-abusers at best and outright criminals at worst; and more, and worse, besides; and then go and say, 'yep, porn is the problem. All this social isolation and relationship stuff, it's cause porn'. Fucking menta…
/r/MensRights04/05/23 01:01 PM
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...Yes. But then, I went to school and had to write papers and learn how to fact check and stuff, and if I just threw up my hands and said "Fuck it, I don't like what they say so they're wrong" then I got reprimanded for that. And poor grades. But hey, maybe I'm unique in that experience. Who's to say? We all live in our own personal reality bubbles and it's impossible to to do our own fact checking, amirite?
/r/MensRights04/05/23 09:45 AM
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check the menu at the top of this subreddit, genius. It's all there. You could spend days reading it. You probably should. Here, just to be helpful: https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/wiki/index/
/r/MensRights04/05/23 09:37 AM
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That's the neat thing, they don't. Way less marriages, but also way less relationships in general. Social isolation, birth rates only sustained by immigrants, sexlessness at unheard-of levels, and the aforementioned porn and gaming turned to as a coping mechanism. Not to say porn and gaming are the problem. To be clear, the people who say that are fucking mental. The problem is institutional and societal bias against men, it's making the consequences of divorce so heavily one-sided, making men u…
/r/MensRights04/05/23 09:35 AM
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I’m sorry but it’s not a right to not have an unwanted divorce This again. It's the same argument as 'not entitled to sex' and to a degree, related to 'unpaid labor' and 'emotional labor' arguments. All of which boils down to, "Take what we give you and like it, or else. You don't have a right to more. That's being entitled." Get married, even if you're much more likely to be divorced - and the woman is even financially encouraged to do so. Don't ask for sex, but don't opt out of dating. Be at a…
/r/MensRights04/05/23 09:25 AM
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It's disgusting how willing people are to equate messages like "don't be bigoted against anyone, including white men" with "white pride." As if they even existed in the same realm. The hypocrisy makes me genuinely sick. I'm shaking right now. That people are willing to justify hateful statements against me, because of my skin and reproductive organs, when I have always held their own rights and dignity as personal values... it is physically painful. That that is what mainstream discourse looks l…
/r/MensRights30/04/23 03:44 PM
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I just spent a bit of time on a "non-controversial" sub, i.e. r/ tumblr. My mistake. Really. You can see it in my comment history. They did not like me. The bigotry against men there was overwhelming. I got slaughtered for statements like 'you don't solve bigotry with more bigotry.' Straight and white are sins too. Pointing out that a larger number of than not don't have "white male privilege" and are in fact pinned at the bottom of society, subject to the worst of society's ills just as much, a…
/r/MensRights30/04/23 03:28 PM
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That's a great point. And means the analogy I made is even more impressive. Since it applies to that distinction (or rant, I guess) as well. Though I'm not that smart, I swear; just got lucky with this one.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/04/23 11:27 AM
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Agreed. Which is why I specified dangerous chemicals. Because the analogy between chemistry and social commentary works even better when you consider how ubiquitous both are, then add in that some bits are exceptionally dangerous and have either explosive short-term consequences, or sometimes even worse, dangerous yet subtle long-term consequences. I'm not saying don't do it. I'm not even saying these aren't elements we all must live with. I'm saying let's be cautious around the dangerous stuff.…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/04/23 10:17 AM
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I think the right path forward is to cultivate caution when categorizing any trait. As in, the same way we handle dangerous chemicals. Necessary, at times; but dangerous, and not for amateurs. This goes for race, orientation, age, and of course sex. Are there differences in these groups? Absolutely. Are they almost always more nuanced and less stark than popular belief? Or the truth of the matter is surprisingly non-intuitive? Again, absolutely. And we genuinely don't know the whole story, even …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/04/23 02:39 AM
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True, but that doesn't mitigate the rather draconian laws Ukraine has been putting into practice. In fact, it serves as a counterargument, since men were already volunteering in numbers greater than the bureaucracy could handle. I strongly support Ukraine's fight, and would be willing to make allowances for anything they might do to win, but I think this is shooting themselves in the foot. It's actually sabotaging some of the esprit de corps they have; it's a very worrying trend. And the new law…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/04/23 01:50 AM
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Everything - everything we do - is influenced by culture. Even the way we stand, sit or squat while evacuating our bowels varies by culture. However, everything we do is also determined by biology. All the way from the basic ATP cycle to breathing to writing commentary on the Web is ruled by biology. The two are inseparable, which is a big part of the problem; because, while biology has fairly identifiable causes (now, that is; that wasn't always true), culture is determined by history, biology,…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/04/23 02:02 PM
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I can't agree, mainly because a)I pointed out the Wodaabe are far from alone; plenty of NatAm cultures, Asian and even a few European (berber) cultures do similar role swaps; and further, cultural transmission is a powerful and generally misunderstood mechanic. Western values, and especially American culture, has been transmitted on a literally industrial scale, a process starting back centuries ago. Even things like Christian-derived values show up on a broad scale in places like late medieval …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/04/23 09:56 PM
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The biggest issue is that we still aren't really clear on what those differences are, behaviorally. Physical differences are easy to measure; behavioral differences are a damned nightmare to measure. Not least of which because social contagion is real, culture is real, and have an overwhelming effect on behavior - those are not liberal inventions, and to return your argument back on you, conservatives often don't attribute enough of human behavior to culture. For example, who initiates in sex an…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/04/23 07:47 PM
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Ah, gotcha. Yeah, that was a farcical event, no question.
/r/MensRights06/04/23 07:11 PM
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That doesn't really mean anything. You could be saying that both agreeing or disagreeing with OP. Clarify?
/r/MensRights06/04/23 03:02 PM
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Instinct is a terrible judge of character.
/r/MensRights27/03/23 02:57 PM
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Don't forget getting bored and breaking up with you for a host of shallow, selfish and stupid reasons. AI won't do that either. Yet, I guess. Who the hell knows what might happen.
/r/MensRights27/03/23 02:56 PM
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sci hub and its various incarnations is your friend here.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/03/23 03:22 PM
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I ran across the term when I was visiting a father's rights website in Canada; apparently this has been a strategy in Canadian custody disputes for a long time now, due to the weight the courts give children's opinions on caretaking. Gotta say, it definitely isn't new, or exclusively Canadian; I experienced a lot of this from my own mother trash-talking my father, and the positive reinforcement I got as a kid by joining in on it. Sickening to me now, and it never got really out of pocket for me …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/03/23 03:18 PM
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Was that another blue-haired hypocrite in that video link you shared, or was that in fact the same Destiny displaying all of the characteristics I've described? I think you're the one with the distorted view here. The man is legitimately hateful, and by that I mean he spreads hatred and discrimination and bias all under the cover of claiming to be against those things. It is cringe as hell. He's legitimately misandrist. Buys completely into patriarchy theory. I sure as hell have never seen him t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/03/23 03:30 PM
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Oh for fuck's sake. He could be saying that to Xi Jinping as a tangent while arguing against genocide of the Uighur and it would still be a wildly tone-deaf, judgemental, moralizing, and just wrong thing to say. And every clip, every stream, every guest, every virtue-signalling attempt that absolute unit makes falls along the same lines. Pearl just happened to be in the line of fire at that particular moment. I reiterate, everything Destiny puts out is cringeworthy. This is not an isolated incid…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/03/23 03:14 PM
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Doesn't moralize? Are we talking about the same person? Look at the rant he let off on Pearl. Ignoring the "Is my mic on?" commentary - which was justified, if an asshole way to address that disconnect - he goes OFF on how "If men could get pregnant every gas station would offer abortions..." The man. Is a fucking. TOOL.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/03/23 02:24 PM
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Yeah, don't think we will. Dude's a hypocrite and talks out of both sides of his mouth. I haven't seen a single short or stream of his that didn't make me cringe in one way or another.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/03/23 02:08 PM
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Honestly? Destiny is a tool. And this clip didn't do much to move the needle on that. There is a tiny mote of accuracy in how he notes "progressives" (or what he's calling progressives, but he really means identity politics sjw's, which is a different animal altogether) have failed white men. But everything surrounding that mote is a damned embarrassment. For instance, they also failed black men, no matter how he insists they did such a wonderful job reaching minorities. And Asian men might have…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/03/23 01:29 PM
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Almost certainly some AI did.
/r/MensRights25/03/23 02:31 AM
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are you mad there is no time in any nation in any century where this law is needed or even remotely appropriate, wtf Britain should be rioting harder than France right now
/r/MensRights24/03/23 06:07 PM
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and the US, we've got plenty of that here too
/r/MensRights24/03/23 06:04 PM
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Solution: don't use online dating apps. They are dogshit from the ground to the pound. This just adds one more reason, but really, even if there weren't hate groups actively patrolling dating sites to do reputational violence to guys, the apps would still be terrible and a bad idea all around. But also, apparently, there's hate groups actively patrolling dating sites to fuck with guys, so yeah, that's a thing.
/r/MensRights23/03/23 11:54 PM
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It's true, but it ain't the flex feminists think it is for damn sure
/r/MensRights18/03/23 10:16 AM
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Yeah, that particular incident was such a massive train wreck But it's even worse than you describe, because it's not just that a feminist agenda propped up Hillary - it's also most likely the reason she herself was beaten. That "women are the primary victims of war" was such a raw, ugly disrespect - bigotry, really - against men in general... and it wasn't even the first time she made it clear her agenda was all about shitting on men. It made her genuinely unelectable, even discounting all the …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/03/23 08:42 PM
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It's called institutional power fuckwit Say no to the person who determines if you end up in the Ghost Face cell block, I dare you
/r/MensRights16/03/23 09:14 PM
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Thanks, since Daily Mail is making me choose between them and my spamware filter. You can guess which one I chose.
/r/MensRights16/03/23 09:00 PM
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That's ok. It's happened to numerous people I know, including one 18 yr old kid I found dying on my living room floor after he tried to kill himself following a false accusation. I'll back up OP's claims for him.
/r/MensRights16/03/23 12:02 PM
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I don't know the answer. Personally, I push back when I see it. I take the bloody mouth and just keep going. You can see it from my comment history, here on Reddit, and I assure you it's much the same in other forums and in person. But it's exhausting. And I'm already on disability for depression. I've essentially retreated from society, willing or not. I used to be *very* social; but events that happened to people I cared about, and some close shaves personally, have lead to a deeeep mistrust. …
/r/MenSupportMen12/03/23 10:59 PM
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Yeah I don't think manpower and girl power are equivalent there Like, one is about being described as a unit of labor and the other is about being seen as independently capable in society Seems like a worker/owner class dynamic in the making, at least if you're limiting yourself to comparing the meaning of those two I could be wrong tho
/r/MensRights12/03/23 03:07 PM
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Except they kinda do. Like, driving competitors off without risking harm, even if you're bigger and faster, is always a good idea. So a roar and posturing in general is like the first thing a 'king' will and should do. It's just common sense.
/r/MensRights12/03/23 03:03 PM
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Is this question for real? Abraham Lincoln. George Washington. Ibn Cena. William Osler. Buddha. Ashoka. Hell, if you're willing to believe the hype, fucking Jesus. There is a list as long as human history itself. Men are great. Men have supported men, women, and small fuzzy animals throughout history, just as men and women have been villains. When did we lose that thread? When did women always become heroes, and 'men' always villains? When did it become difficult to identify good people througho…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/03/23 02:07 PM
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Market research is bullshit, then. Or the pills are actual poison pills. "Here, take this and you'll vomit every other hour, but you won't get women pregnant!" Got a source for this claim here? Because I just polled myself, and I for one would take an actual pill in a heartbeat. If it didn't break my bank to get them, that is. Almost every guy I know would too. I mean, for fuck's sake we wear condoms and those shits are uncomfortable and awkward to introduce and a lot of women dislike them even …
/r/MensRights10/03/23 01:46 PM
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That’s how long they sleep me in the psych ward. But worse sensory hell there bad without my bunny daughter so this is better I feel you there. Psych wards are fucking awful if you have a low boredom threshold, or need external stimulation as a coping method to avoid negative mental processes like psychosomatic itching or phantom pains or similar. Or heck, even if you don't. They try to fix that sort of thing with more pills instead of putting anything into the environment that you might be able…
/r/MenSupportMen09/03/23 04:20 AM
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Oh for fuck's sake Didn't this stupid misandrist learn the first time when she became a meme?
/r/MensRights08/03/23 06:59 PM
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I mean, you can't trust "men vs. women" even when the science has official data. But yeah, the fact that they aren't even bothering with that veneer is just a slap in the face. A more pronounced slap in the face, I mean, above and beyond the usual type.
/r/MensRights07/03/23 08:11 AM
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lol glad you've found a way. Good news is that means you're probably not shadowbanned or anything like that. My best guess is it's a page load/reddit server overload issue, but it could be anything, even something ridiculous like your browser running out of RAM allocation and the script that runs that button was what got screwed.
/r/MensRights06/03/23 05:28 PM
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Oh and the reason 'new' chats won't load is you get one chat per person. Thats it. You don't get to have multiple threads that way, just multiple contacts. Think old school instant messaging, if you're old enough to remember that jam. Same sort of behavior as that. Nothing like discord or modern in-game chats, which are much more flexible.
/r/MensRights06/03/23 05:20 PM
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Between adblockers, different browsers, New/Old reddit, apps, and alien invasions I cannot say with any degree of certainty what might be preventing you from starting new DMs. Might be you got a couple spam complaints, or sending multiple DMs cut-and-paste is triggering some white ICE, or idunno. All I can say is don't panic, it's probably something stupid and you'll be slapping yourself when you figure out you're on like some experimental version of reddit after clicking a bait button put on yo…
/r/MensRights06/03/23 05:16 PM
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You did DM me though? Or is this new since the last message? I didn't block you. And AFAIK, I'm not shadowbanned or anything like that. Dunno what to tell you. Might be something on your end.
/r/MensRights06/03/23 04:37 PM
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Ok, so he's not lying. What he's saying makes sense and is also something that violates many taboos Reddit holds dear. "He is not allowed" is about as accurate a statement as can be said about this. But he ain't wrong. In my opinion, it's probably so culturally taboo that the only outcome is Darwinian adjustment of biology to match behavior. I.E., the ones most affected just won't have kids. Because the alternative, going backwards against the tide on this one, is just not happening. Did not exp…
/r/MensRights06/03/23 03:57 PM
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Hell, DM me I'm curious now
/r/MensRights06/03/23 02:10 PM
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Thanks :)
/r/MensRights03/03/23 02:04 AM
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You still seem to think there's a 'right' way. That if you do everything right, even 'talk to women without sexually harassing them', that your actions still will not be interpreted as sexual harassment when convenient. There is no magical social skill that can avoid this issue. In fact, the skill in play is how well someone can abuse the system to get rid of people they don't like, and how much bias is allowed as a tool to do so. And you, and your approach, allows bias against men a lot more le…
/r/MensRights03/03/23 02:01 AM
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So, it's an important topic to discuss, but this video does a fucking terrible job of it. Everything from not crediting its sources for clips, to unprepared tone shifts leading to not knowing what position it's basing its logic on, to just bad reasoning. No, I can't even call it 'bad reasoning' - it's like you leave off halfway in the middle of constructing a logical premise to begin a different one, then lose the thread on that one as well. The voice is so slick it's easy to miss sometimes, but…
/r/MensRights03/03/23 01:46 AM
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whoooooo EEEE fire
/r/MensRights28/02/23 11:59 AM
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No. If we want the loathsome phrase 'toxic masculinity' to die in obscurity (and we really do), we don't get there by promoting 'toxic femininity' as a concept.
/r/MensRights28/02/23 12:38 AM
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You know what? I changed my mind. There are a couple book recommendations I have for you. The first is John Locke's Two Treatises of Government. If you've been investigating feminism, then you've probably encountered the word 'Patriarchy'. Feminism's bastardized and horrifically biased corruption of the notion of patriarchalism, which John Locke in the first treatise rebuts - a notion that was actually a real thing, a philosophical defense of monarchy and separating society into classes based lo…
/r/MensRights27/02/23 03:48 PM
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There's a lot of great suggestions here (and some left field ones) so I won't add to that. But I will say that feminism is not your friend. Equality is great, make no mistake. Liberal philosophy, the idea that human beings have innate rights and that society as a whole owes rights and responsibilities to individuals, John Locke's state of nature and the concept of a social contract, all of these things are astoundingly valuable. Feminism perverts and corrupts that. It is an extremist movement. I…
/r/MensRights27/02/23 03:09 PM
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Not unless I write one. But if you've seen 'cishet' used insultingly, then you've pretty much got a basic grasp of the concept. I mean, I'm sure there's some high-level etymology paper out there discussing the evolution of insulting language over generations and cultures, but for this specific instance your best bet is just to hold your nose and deep dive into places like 2x and witchesvspatriarchy or similar. You'll find some examples in the wild eventually. Funny thing is, straight women seem …
/r/MensRights27/02/23 01:04 PM
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So you don't want me, a transgender woman, to support abused men? Well that was a leap and a half. Look, a big part of the problem and the reason why terms like 'cis' are starting to not just be unused but actively disliked, is that they are often used as insults. Especially by the sort of people that tend to use them in the first place. It's the same reason why, to give you some perspective you might relate to, transvestite has been largely poo-poo'd by the trans community. Not merely because i…
/r/MensRights27/02/23 12:32 PM
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"Higher pay should be prodding at least some less-educated, lower-wage workers to return to the labor force." Uh huh. Sure. Get back to me on that one when wage increases a)aren't drowned out by inflation and b) allow average workers to support a basic family unit on a single income, as they did as recently as the 1980's. Or hell, even just rent, utilities, food, transportation and health insurance for a single person without outside assistance that men are much less likely to receive... When wo…
/r/MensRights25/02/23 12:09 AM
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Sure, you might need 'more than just you', but without you and people like you speaking up it will guarantee these lies never get countered in the public eye. So fucking well do it.
/r/MensRights24/02/23 03:18 AM
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There are actual posts about aborting because it was a boy, laughing at another boy who committed suicide because 'men are bad' after reading a bunch of nasty shit like 2X, and other similar posts over the years, and that's just what I saw end up on the front page. That place is legitimately a hate subreddit. It's not misogyny to point that out, boss. It's misandry not to.
/r/MensRights19/02/23 03:21 AM
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Obligatory 'feminism has been an extreme supremacist and hate group since Seneca Falls" notice. For equality, look to egalitarianism. For historical equality, including that of women, look at liberal philosophy and some of its less extremist offshoots. Feminism is to liberalism what ISIS is to regular Islamic worshippers. It takes the core ideas of John Locke & co., of natural rights, and perverts them into a funhouse mirror version that effectively promotes the opposite of equality under the ae…
/r/MensRights15/02/23 09:11 AM
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No one who supports men's rights in this environment did so without confronting opposing viewpoints. The mainstream view is that men don't need support. Feminism carries the torch for that, but they couldn't spew their form of bigotry without a generally accepting environment for it. Having to deal with that and maintain your principles is not for the faint of heart. Therefore, your assertion is absurd on the face of it. But you knew that before saying it - attacking the messenger instead of the…
/r/MensRights14/02/23 01:21 AM
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Brilliantly put. Thank you for this.
/r/MensRights13/02/23 01:30 PM
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This is the right kind of answer, people. When these sorts of questions are asked - "where's the evidence, so I can back up these claims"? - the correct reply is not "you don't need it." As many of you are saying here in the comments. The correct answer is to show the evidence, because it does exist, and cross-fertilize good work done by previous Men's Rights posters. To reinforce and share it. Sure, one downside of that sometimes is linkwalls. It's a small price to pay, though. Curate, winnow, …
/r/MensRights13/02/23 12:43 PM
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Wikipedia has over a decade of documented feminist activism and bias, from groups like Art+Feminism running 'editothon' campaigns, and even one of Wikipedia's original founders has gone on record saying it has a severe bias and should not be trusted as a source. When 'key words' lead you to yet more false information, what real benefit does someone looking for a realistic explanation gain from Wikipedia regarding 'patriarchy'? This is the same site that had for years attempted to claim on the pa…
/r/MensRights13/02/23 12:29 PM
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Most people don't have the ethical training or insight to understand the distinction you're making here, and will opt for the least generous interpretation. As evidenced by the 'bigot' comment below, when to me you're coming across as less bigoted than usual. There is such a thing as blind bigotry against bigots, and you're advocating for conflict resolution in a manner far less judgemental than a 'bigot of bigots' would. Which will, inevitably, piss a lot of people off. That said, you could hav…
/r/MensRights12/02/23 11:11 AM
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So, nothing in this speech is anything I particularly disagree with - as an athiest, I tend to consider religion a mental disease, but other than that I'm with her on all points. However. Such populist forms of rhetoric have, in the past, been used by deeply disturbed people to do horrible things while the crowds cheer. I heard no actual plan in that speech. No commitment to a particular course of action, no clear identification of causes, consequences and choices; everything was put into fairly…
/r/MensRights12/02/23 10:48 AM
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Well, it was the stats that convinced me, so I figure they have at least some value in persuasion. Might be too much of a self-insert, though. Though 'convinced' is possibly not strong enough a word. Shocked, disgusted, etc. - and I had to dig much deeper to be convinced that this was in fact the case. And that the counter narrative - that women are society's victims - was not in fact remotely true. But once you look at the actual data, at the absolute unit of evidence, it's pretty incontroverti…
/r/MensRights11/02/23 08:43 AM
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Yeah, no problem. I figured since the rest of the commenters were all like, "statistics don't matter dude, beat her arguments with sheer force of will" that someone had to step up here.
/r/MensRights11/02/23 07:15 AM
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Press Release: CDC Says Men Are Half of All Victims of Sexual Violence. Keystone sentence: Each year, 1.92 million men are made to sexually penetrate, and 1.93 million women are victims of rape (3). In 82.6% of the “made to penetrate” cases, the perpetrator was a female (4).
/r/MensRights11/02/23 06:36 AM
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Just point at America and say, 'Let's not be like those guys.' Make prejudice work for you. Should get y'all moving in the right direction, i.e. away from the only constitutionally endorsed form of slavery we have left over here. With an added bonus of privately owned for-profit jails! Fffuh. I cannot stress enough how shit it is. Maybe you British just haven't gotten egregious enough to realize smacking convicts around is not in your best interests yet. But we can sure as hell see it here, even…
/r/MensRights04/02/23 05:30 PM
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I genuinely do not care if thoughts of vengeance go unsatisfied. I care about effectiveness, reform, and the impact these policies have on general behavior. And there can be no question that the Nordic model works, and works well. Lowest recidivism rates ever seen in history, lower and lower counts of first time offenses, and they managed to do it without putting cameras on every street corner like you've got in the UK. Even with waves of refugees and war tensions well before Putin pulled the tr…
/r/MensRights04/02/23 05:12 PM
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Or men getting less. I'm a big fan of the Nordic model. Fuck this medieval torture shit we have going on here in the States. Even for the worst offenders, it really is not effective and makes the rest of society just as bad in the long run, degrading our collective empathy levels.
/r/MensRights04/02/23 04:57 PM
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This place is brigaded on the regular. I'll grant you that much. But the general tenor of subscribers here agrees with your views.
/r/AntiFeminists09/01/23 07:26 AM
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No they're not. The 'good old days' of feminism weren't that great, either. From the gate feminism has been infested with supremacism and hatred. This is exactly the kind of thing first wave feminists would be pushing for, except many of them would say it's not enough. And we know that because they said it. Read what Elizabeth Cady Stanton actually wrote sometime; it's covered in flowery language, but she believed in the absolute moral supremacy of women. And so did most first-wave feminists. Th…
/r/AntiFeminists09/01/23 07:18 AM
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Nope. Feminism is bad in all its forms. The entire idea is what happens if you take an actual philosophy regarding human rights - classical liberalism - and turn it into an us vs. them polemic, which distorts the original notions of human rights into something unrecognizable - and resembling notions like 'divine right' and other oppositional paradigms much more than it does equality. Feminism has no mandate to protect equality; only equality for the group it represents. And just like any other s…
/r/AntiFeminists09/01/23 07:13 AM
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Feminism was never a noble cause. From the days of Elizabeth Cady Stanton on forward, there is not a single feminist thinker, author, luminary or organization that has not shown itself to be toxic in some way or form. The good old days weren't that good, either.
/r/AntiFeminists09/01/23 07:08 AM
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Hear me out: Feminism is a bad idea in 3rd world countries, too. Now, equal rights as a notion, that's not a bad idea at all. It's a great idea. But that's not feminism. And it never has been. Think about it: where did your sense for what equality is, come from? If you're not sure, I can draw a line for you: liberal and ethical thinkers starting in the 17th century, such as John Locke, Voltaire, Adam Smith, etcetera. They laid down notions like 'natural rights', 'sanctity of the mind and person'…
/r/AntiFeminists09/01/23 07:05 AM
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Feminism is a bad idea there, too. Just look at some of the videos of feminists trying to 'teach' Afghani women. Cringe as fuck. You don't fix extremism with its polar opposite extremism. Equality is a concept with deep roots in liberal thought; the notion itself in its modern form comes from philosophers such as John Locke and ideas like natural rights, and the causes and outcomes of ethical reasoning. All of these things have nothing to do with feminism. I repeat, equality as a concept has not…
/r/AntiFeminists09/01/23 06:57 AM
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Haven't run into that here myself
/r/AntiFeminists09/01/23 06:44 AM
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Mandatory notice that feminism never was good and was always a hate and supremecy movement from its inception. Other forms of egalitarian, humanist and liberal thought exist, and have deep roots. You don't need to be a feminist to value equality for all. You do need to be a feminist to believe men are born rapists.
/r/AntiFeminists06/01/23 01:28 PM
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No. I'm familiar with the different types of feminism, marxist feminism among them, and all of them are based off a polemic that converts liberal ideals - even marxist liberal ideals, which is a thing - into a hate and supremacy movement. There are no good feminists. It's a hate movement. Even the versions that appear not to be at first glance, become apparent when you scratch the surface even a little bit.
/r/AntiFeminists31/12/22 09:53 AM
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No, feminists are the ones usually pushing the idea that 'men don't care enough about their kids' to fight court battles. Which is bullshit. And an obscene accusation to make. Beyond tone-deaf. The problem is not that fathers don't fight for equal custody. The problem is that fathers need to fight these battles in the first place. That is a travesty of justice and common decency. And common sense, for that matter. I have a whole rant on this topic, but I'll keep it short and sweet. Make 50/50 cu…
/r/AntiFeminists20/12/22 08:17 PM
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Yw
/r/MensRights20/12/22 08:07 PM
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feminism ​ i have been told i was “stupid”, “don’t understand men and their problems”, and “shouldn’t try to help with issues i don’t understand” ​ Let me clear up the confusion here for you. Feminism is a hate group. With said hate specifically aimed at men. So if you're defeated by the fact that men feel you're insincere, it's because you are insincere. You're so dialed into bad information and falsehoods and reframing things like paid work as unfair to women that you've gone full circle and b…
/r/AntiFeminists20/12/22 06:59 AM
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Look at this shit. Will you look at this. Feminism is a hate group that lied so hard about being 'for equality' that it's got schizophrenia now. And this redditor doesn't even realize the internal contradictions in their logic. That's what buying into an ideology of hatred and supremacy gets you, folks. Trssty. The first part of your sentence mixed with the second part of your sentence? Only someone who's drunk on a lie and not sure what reality is anymore would say anything like that. I'd sugge…
/r/AntiFeminists20/12/22 06:13 AM
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Paywall. This is the archive.org link: https://web.archive.org/web/20221219061302/https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2022/12/19/how-young-men-turning-backs-work/
/r/MensRights20/12/22 06:01 AM
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What? You're not making any sense. Like, at all. I can't even disagree with you, because that would imply I understood what the hell you're talking about. Are we even having the same conversation here at this point?
/r/AntiFeminists18/12/22 07:21 PM
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Fair enough. I think semantics are important as well, though. Not outright identifying with a hate group is a step in the right direction. Identifying feminism as a hate group is an even more important step. One we'll never reach if we simply indict most women with it. Hidden assumptions are one thing. Outright affiliation is another. You can, for instance, call out racist behavior without immediately assuming someone is a klanner. Not all misandrists are feminists. Some misandrists would consid…
/r/AntiFeminists18/12/22 06:56 PM
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https://www.ipsos.com/en-us/american-women-and-feminism
/r/AntiFeminists18/12/22 06:48 PM
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Women have more personal savings and greater wealth than men, and have done for over a decade. This, despite the most labor-intensive and physically demanding jobs almost universally falling to men. Disposable income - i.e., purchasing power beyond what's needed for basic survival - is even more of a disparity, with women representing over 80% of all such purchases. It's gotten to the point where many advertisers don't even bother polling men, on things you'd consider 'gender neutral', such as v…
/r/AntiFeminists18/12/22 06:42 PM
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Feminism is a hate group. And for that matter, the majority of women aren't feminists. Which means that not only are you in fact 'like other girls', but it's the feminists themselves that are - by virtue of belonging to a bigoted supremacist group - 'not like the other girls'. The irony is palpable.
/r/AntiFeminists18/12/22 06:05 PM
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Feminism is not now and never has been for equality. That is a lie. You want equality, look to classic liberalism in the vein of John Lock; or egalitarianism. Feminism is a special interest group at best, an outright hate group at worst; and only claims equality because that lie is a source of power for it. Don't be a feminist.
/r/MensRights18/12/22 05:55 PM
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It's time for the jokes on feminists and people like this to stop. Not because they don't deserve it; but because it not enough. And it's too weak a response. The satire, or even the casual disrespect, no matter how much these people deserve it. Feminism is a hate movement. We need to treat it like one. Not as a joke, but as a criminal mindset and behavioral set. A hate group.
/r/AntiFeminists15/12/22 02:05 PM
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Instead of passing this off as a joke, maybe ask what feminism has done to degrade human dignity and mutual respect. Erin Pizzey was the woman who created the first domestic violence shelter in the 1970's. This is what she has to say about feminism. And as horrifying as it is, to do that to a woman who literally started a movement that has saved lives worldwide, that's only a small drop in the bucket for what feminism has done to degrade human dignity and yes, even kill people. Don't be a femini…
/r/AntiFeminists14/12/22 02:19 PM
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No, this isn't a "we all have our own truths" moment. Nor is it a "you're just as bad as us" moment. And it is never a "you shouldn't try to convince someone in a hate group to not be in a hate group" moment. Feminism has a 100+ year head start on men's activism. Which, by the way, wouldn't even need to exist without feminism acting like a toxic, corrosive, disgusting supremacy movement infecting every level of society. I agree, men's activism could and probably would follow the same route to be…
/r/AntiFeminists14/12/22 01:56 PM
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This, but unironically.
/r/AntiFeminists14/12/22 01:43 PM
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Then you're proud to consider yourself a bigot just as bad as any neo nazi. Feminism is a hate group. They spew lies and poison every chance they get. That means if you buy in, you're repeating lies and poison every chance you get. It all seems normal to you. Like it's the way things should be. It's not. Feminism is a hate group. Not 'hate group adjacent', not 'wrong about a few things', but through-and-through, start to finish, top to bottom, radical, intersectional or otherwise, feminism is ab…
/r/AntiFeminists14/12/22 01:37 PM
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Realize what? That feminists are a hate group? Then why ever call yourself one? And what does that have to do with responding to people politely here? You're not making sense.
/r/AntiFeminists14/12/22 01:15 PM
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If you're a feminist, you've bought in to the ideology of a hate group. I suggest reconsidering that. Hard.
/r/AntiFeminists14/12/22 01:12 PM
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That 'brain still developing' bullshit is taking the piss. Don't buy into it. Think about it for a second. When do you want the brain to stop developing? What does 'still developing' actually mean? What if 'still developing' means that, for example, drivers who learn when they're older will be worse drivers overall? Because their brains are less flexible and able to learn? Take language. The older you are, the more difficult language - of any kind - becomes to learn. That goes deeper than just '…
/r/AntiFeminists14/12/22 01:05 PM
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They already are. Look up 'redshirting'.
/r/MensRights13/12/22 12:40 PM
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"First Blood". But not Rambo II.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/12/22 07:08 AM
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Exactly. You're right - using 'equivalent force' is a sure way to end up with a worse outcome for both. If you don't hit hard out of the gate, you're just inviting escalation.
/r/MensRights12/12/22 03:40 AM
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I should have included 1st and second wave feminists in the definition of "feminists belong to a hate group." Elizabeth Cady Stanton was a misandrist bigot. Seneca falls had its declaration of sentiments steeped in misandrist bigotry. Feminists caused problems for universal suffragists and were an unsteady ally for voting rights for all at best. Second wave feminism actively detracted from worker's rights and gave ammunition for Senate oversight committees. Oh, and sponsored actual factual terro…
/r/AntiFeminists12/12/22 03:00 AM
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lol well you tried, so... golf clap
/r/AntiFeminists12/12/22 02:47 AM
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no white men are equal offenders so are black women and plenty of black men Also asian men And I was just arguing with an asian woman in here that was a blatant bigot, who I even reported for (not that Reddit actually sees bigotry against white men as bigotry) The category is not white, or women The category is feminists. I am anti-feminist. Even if the feminist in question is a balding, caucasian neckbeard. Or a petite asian woman. Because feminism is a hate group. It is an ideology. There are …
/r/AntiFeminists11/12/22 03:10 PM
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Like I said, now you're trying to walk it back. No. You're a bigot. Fuck. Off.
/r/AntiFeminists11/12/22 11:13 AM
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After you generalized the lot of old white men as crusty. See, the thing about that though is that you're not alone in thinking that. Western women either loudly loathe men and spend most of their time speaking about the negatives - like you, here - or quietly go along with that. So you end up with men getting conned by scammers who are simply looking for women that don't act or talk or think like that about them. That's just one of the ugly consequences of the cultural bias against men that exi…
/r/AntiFeminists11/12/22 11:00 AM
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Don't like that the pedophile narrative is a no-sell, do you? As if it justified your blatantly sexist and misandrist remarks. Oh, and ageist. And racist. You really don't want to engage in self-reflection. Instead, you'd rather shift attention to pedophilia, which I'll point out is already criminal even there, in SE Asia, and sex tourism. As long as the topic is about how we all agree old white dudes are creeeeeepy, because they want, ugh, sex with attractive women that don't loathe them (ew!) …
/r/AntiFeminists11/12/22 10:45 AM
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Oh, is that the game we're playing now? The men who can afford to fly out to places like SE asia are doing it because they're all pedophiles? Well, it's true that men in general prefer younger women, but the profiles in places like AsianHoneys are average age 27. The same matchup/marriage sites that scam dudes out of millions. I'd probably be right there with you if you called these guys gullible old idiots, but pedophiles? Frankly I think you're reaching for the easiest taboo to use to deflect …
/r/AntiFeminists11/12/22 10:20 AM
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Ok, fine. I'll bite. These are some of the assumptions I'm seeing inherent in your original argument: that women aren't seeking men from 'more misogynistic cultures'. that those foreign cultures are indeed more misogynistic. that women actively seek men en masse at all, as opposed to passively (waiting for men to initiate for the bulk of interactions, even on forced interaction places such as Bumble); (as a side note, this is a MASSIVE inherent issue in your argument - if women aren't 'seeking' …
/r/AntiFeminists11/12/22 02:21 AM
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Considering you believe men are unnecessary, I don't think that would be productive. We're starting from vantage points too far apart.
/r/AntiFeminists11/12/22 01:37 AM
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It would take a book to deconstruct everything wrong in this paragraph you wrote. You really have to buy into a whole fabric of bad information and worse conclusions to write something like this. I've tried several times to pick a starting point, but it kept turning into a text wall. So I'm not even going to try. You're set on defending truly shitty behavior from western women because "men aren't a requirement for women to succeed." (Which is a statement coming from a messed up and incomplete me…
/r/AntiFeminists11/12/22 01:26 AM
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Yeah, those old white guys should just find a corner and die alone, amirite? Being white is bad, old is worse, and a guy on top of it? Nothing they do isn't exploitation. If they breath the same air as younger women, they're committing a travesty. My god, why don't they just all kill themselves? I mean, the ones that haven't already, that is. We aren't hating on them enough, male suicide especially for older men shouldn't be in eighth place or even second place in Britain, it should be the numbe…
/r/AntiFeminists11/12/22 01:09 AM
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Ok that was clever.
/r/AntiFeminists07/12/22 02:15 AM
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In my opinion, as it stands the PR battle pointed out by OP is unwinnable there - we need to change the ground first. Reframe feminism as extremism no matter if it's on the right side or not - but to do that we need a palatable, and accurate, alternative to act as a middle ground those who would otherwise support feminism can safely retreat to. How am I wrong there?
/r/MensRights06/12/22 07:24 PM
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Ok people, don't just downvote this one. I put effort into it. If I'm wrong, explain it to me. Then downvote, if you must. I'm willing to change my mind, but I have to know what's the issue.
/r/MensRights06/12/22 07:13 PM
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You're right. The situation in Iran is like if Mexico was using racism to fight drug cartels, and doing it successfully. Who do you even root for in that scenario? I think the first thing to do is change the language. It's not feminism happening in Iran; it's Egalitarianism. Men in Iran stand to benefit from this too. Point to that as proof: the regime is just as cruel - and far more deadly - to men. Feminism wouldn't fight for those men; egalitarianism would. Humanism would. Any movement that i…
/r/MensRights06/12/22 02:09 PM
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Reporting this shit. Breaks rule 1. If she really is too feminist to respect men and deserve scorn, prove it next time. This ain't proof at all. It's kind of proof she isn't one.
/r/AntiFeminists04/12/22 04:35 PM
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How about no. Instead, let's acknowledge that men are well and truly a disadvantaged second class. No oppression Olympics necessary. That implies there's a contest. There's no contest. In fact, weasel-wording "everybody has problems" or variations thereof have been used to handwave away men's issues for decades. Let's fucking well stop doing that, yeah? Oh, and as a matter of fact, one gender facing a serious issue does take away from the issues the other one is facing, seems like. Because men's…
/r/MensRights03/12/22 05:15 PM
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Not a feminist, necessarily. Matter of fact it could be other women spiking her rep and talking shit about her, and she doesn't even realize it. The dudes are just simps taking what they're told on faith in that scenario. Sorry, this one doesn't scan. There's plenty of feminism out there to loathe, let's not get potentially genuine bullying mixed up in it.
/r/AntiFeminists03/12/22 04:17 PM
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No, I think the whole complaint is trade puffery. Frequently, women barely clean their own shit, nevermind yours. Nor are they very good for holding confidences or as councilors; they're more likely to use you as one instead while your own problems get put on mute. Matter of fact, any 'mother' type activity just seems way the hell out of any modern woman's skillset; I wouldn't trust them as actual mothers, a lot of the time. Why any of them feel justified in saying they "don't want to be your mo…
/r/AntiFeminists03/12/22 07:42 AM
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No they don't. That's the trick of it.
/r/AntiFeminists03/12/22 07:26 AM
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a)Not that different, considering the near parity, especially as compared to earlier versions of the survey; and b) yeah, probably there is some misandrist bias. But very careful and very subtle. For ex., in prior versions questions regarding threats with weapons (gun, knife, heavy object) historically showed much higher returns with men reporting being threatened in such a way much more often; but that line of questions is conspicuously less pointed in this version. Historically the NISVS has d…
/r/MensRights29/11/22 12:16 AM
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Not only are you a fucking bigot, you've got a terrible memory of movies. GTFO.
/r/AntiFeminists28/11/22 11:21 PM
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Wrong sub for that sentiment, boss. Most of us here are burned out by the misandrist shit we grew up with, and see dunking on women as both a)far more rare and b)pushback. If you're tired of getting joked on, take a step back and look, hard, at how the media treats men in general. Pro-tip: the bias towards women and against men in media are so common they have names, like the "women are wonderful" effect. For a more nuanced demonstration of just how bad the bias is generally slanted against men,…
/r/AntiFeminists28/11/22 11:10 PM
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To be honest, this is right about the upper level any conversations in the men's room will go. Maybe with a bit more variety, but not many more syllables. "ugh." "yup."
/r/AntiFeminists28/11/22 01:58 PM
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bla
/r/AntiFeminists28/11/22 12:57 PM
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I think honestly we're at a point where satire is the problem. I've seen satire satirizing satire that was itself based on past satire. I'm a fairly mentally nimble guy. I usually don't fall for sob stories from Nigerian princes, except that one time. So it's my feeling that, if even I can't always tell where satire stops and reality starts, maybe we need to start taking satire itself to task for being too fuzzy with its boundaries. But only a little bit. Satire still has a place. It's just, the…
/r/AntiFeminists28/11/22 12:52 PM
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False distinction. The worse feminist is the one that's bought into more of the hatred, misandry and general assumption of bias and blame towards men; and how willing they are to abandon such views. Put a man or a woman feminist in front of me, and that's the only metric that matters.
/r/AntiFeminists28/11/22 12:34 AM
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That thread is full of lies. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/228350210_Gender_symmetry_in_partner_violence_The_evidence_the_denial_and_the_implications_for_primary_prevention_and_treatment
/r/MensRights27/11/22 10:41 AM
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Except that the statistics in that thread aren't even true.
/r/MensRights27/11/22 10:41 AM
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Agreed. We have to push back against this kind of stuff. Letting it simmer creates more hate and misandry, not less
/r/MensRights27/11/22 10:39 AM
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VAWA and everything associated with it, is misandrist as all get out and largely based on the same logic as that whitepeopletwitter thread Or Title IX and the senate committee that just sent a letter of recommendation to ignore due process and civil liberties for 'predators' found guilty without proof - Including Bernie Sanders, which I consider a personal betrayal, I support the guy in almost everything else but he whiffed big time on this one I mean, there's a LOT of lawmakers like her. Far to…
/r/MensRights27/11/22 10:37 AM
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Thanks for the daily reminder that feminism is a hate group. It breeds hate, marinates in hate, distorts reality to justify its hate. We get to put feminist thought leaders on a watch list besides KKK leaders and islamic terrorist supporters, when?
/r/AntiFeminists26/11/22 09:24 PM
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Dunno why you're being downvoted, you're absolutely right. I'm living this. Almost completely burned out on Marvel shows, and I used to be a MASSIVE superhero nerd. It's not because I don't still like that kind of stuff; it's because of the woke. And I did not even look in the direction of Wakanda Forever. I barely even process the reviews. When I say the movie is dead to me, that's not projecting; it's acknowledging something that happened before I even noticed it. And a few years ago I would h…
/r/MensRights25/11/22 07:37 AM
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No. You only think that because you turn a blind eye to any "equality" that favors women over men. And you only do that because feminism has indoctrinated you, and feminist groups and organizations continue to naysay or downplay - or outright lie about - things like grade school boys being discriminated against nationwide, or how pay gaps often unfairly favor women these days, or how domestic violence is as often perpetrated by women victimizing men as the opposite, or on and on. How so many hea…
/r/AntiFeminists24/11/22 06:52 PM
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You might have just said straight out that men's day is toilet day, just because satire is completely unacceptable in that sub unless it bashes men. But then, your post would probably still have been taken down.
/r/AntiFeminists24/11/22 04:38 PM
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Well now, that was one spicy comment section spanning half a decade, wasn't it?
/r/MensRights24/11/22 03:38 PM
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Feminism isn't about equal rights and never has been. From Seneca Falls all the way to today, the identity you've adopted has ignored real philosophies of equality in favor of hatred and gender supremacism. Feminists are the ones destroying equal rights. Get your head strait. They are the villains. You are defending villains. Stop.
/r/AntiFeminists24/11/22 01:36 PM
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Some neonazis are in it to genuinely kill Jews. Some just want to redress what they consider an injustice, and don't hate anybody, but tolerate the worst offenders because nobody else is giving what they think is a problem the time of day. Some are there for the pizza parties. But regardless of motive, it's a hate group. Agreeing with its precepts - any of its precepts, that aren't already present in rational ideologies - is a garden path towards hatred and extremism. Same/same for feminism. The…
/r/AntiFeminists24/11/22 12:32 PM
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​ Statements like this are why I know you're not inquiring in good faith. Sure, there's much of that going on, but there's a lot of solid strikes too - and you'd know that if you weren't trolling. Good show, but you're a troll.
/r/AntiFeminists23/11/22 10:06 PM
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I thought about a linkwall of some of the supporting documentation I've got, but I've had little-to-no actual productive dialogue from conversations when they reach this point. I strenuously doubt you'd read any of it. You don't want to see proof, you just want to see me disproved. It's not worth the effort. Although I do have to ask why you're even in this sub if you feel this way. Really, lurking through just the backlog in here for the past year or two would prove half my points on its own. I…
/r/AntiFeminists23/11/22 01:00 AM
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Yep.
/r/MensRights23/11/22 12:53 AM
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Pointing out a cultural bias - a real one, that's had a visible effect on our institutions - is not 'woman bashing', no matter how bad it makes women look. Women frequently do feel entitled to men's events and men's spaces. I've seen it time and again in my lifetime. Does that mean women are biologically hardwired to disregard men's feelings? Probably not. But does it mean women are taught that they can safely disregard soft barriers like that, if it's about men? You bet your ass it does. Think …
/r/MensRights23/11/22 12:51 AM
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Sure thing. Progressivism is the idea of managing modern systems to affect change, usually (but not always) through government. So progressive reform in American history has focused mostly on three things: problems in education, inefficiencies in government services and social services specifically, and monopoly busting or control. I'd add health care reform to that modern day. In education, boys are at genuine crisis levels, with education levels dropping faster and faster - a problem that femi…
/r/AntiFeminists23/11/22 12:14 AM
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Just goes to show, feminism ≠ women. You've got pretty much 100% of a 'dick and balls' peanut gallery that have internalized feminist disgust for themselves. This is what we've got to stand up against. Man or woman, this kind of misandry based on false assumptions and beliefs about 'men oppressing women' or 'male privilege'. But it's a difficult conversation, and requires time and effort. You can't just tell people, for example, that boys have been discriminated against in classrooms for decades…
/r/MensRights22/11/22 07:23 PM
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A fake feminist would be someone pretending in order to satirize. You know, an actual fake. Your teenager dabbled in a hate group, then grew out of it. Good for the hypothetical her. I wish everyone ever involved in feminism did that. Oh, and you can be progressive without being feminist. In fact, I'd argue that to be true to progressive values, you'd need to not be a feminist, or risk being a raging hypocrite instead of a progressive.
/r/AntiFeminists22/11/22 05:50 PM
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Feminism has never been about equality for all. That's what real feminists act like.
/r/AntiFeminists22/11/22 12:37 PM
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Are you saying that OP was solipsistic, or that the men and women who disagreed were?
/r/MensRights22/11/22 09:11 AM
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even tho some of it was true to certain extent no it wasn't it fails completely to understand the fact that women too have many privileges True enough comparing women and men would be an apples to oranges comparison. No it's not. The post you're talking about? It's not that the woman was wrong about there being a horrific imbalance and systemic discrimination; it's that she was wrong about the target of it all. It's not apples to oranges. It's most assuredly apples to apples. Women have more ove…
/r/MensRights21/11/22 12:41 PM
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Well, that subreddit is pretty damned neat. I did sub, thank you.
/r/MensRights21/11/22 12:29 PM
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Nope. This guy? Just no. Stop apologizing for feminism. Stop saying feminism is about equality. It isn't and has never been. The misandry is not new. The misandry is not new. The misandry is not new. This is what feminism has always been.
/r/MensRights21/11/22 11:31 AM
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Yeah, I'm usually the first in line to dump on feminism, but this isn't feminism. It's just faddishness. Like the mythopoetic men back in the nineties. Or sweat lodges. or any other kind of 'outlet' for emotional outbursts. Though I don't agree women are shamed any more than men are for anger and frustration; despite the cliche, in practice women are often shamed less for it. As witness to this fact, men would be far too ashamed to form angry howling groups like those in the article. /s But that…
/r/MensRights20/11/22 08:01 PM
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The true definition of feminist is an ideological hate and supremacy group. Has been ever since Seneca Falls, and modern-day feminism is even worse. We need to stop gilding the turd that is feminism and call it out for what it is. And what it is, is defined by what it does. And what feminism does, since the moment it had a name for itself, is lie, manipulate and spread hatred and fear in order to push an agenda of people who have literally claimed to hate men. All the 'milder' versions of femini…
/r/MensRights20/11/22 03:22 AM
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Most of the men who experience nonconsensual sex in their lifetime are forced-to-penetrate, according to the CDC. The stereotype is that only men can rape, and even if a man was raped it was another man that did it. That's just not the case. Women are perfectly capable of raping men, we just don't legally count them as rape.
/r/AntiFeminists20/11/22 02:34 AM
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Context, lady. The 'rape' text was not literal, it was him saying he was horny for her during a period where that was reciprocated. And the burn comment was after she'd just done something horrible. Not only are you conflating two entirely different events but dropping some VERY FUCKING IMPORTANT context in order to make it look as bad as you can manage. Which is one of the feminist tactics that is by far the most despicable. And you're doing it with history, too. Context. I damn sure am right a…
/r/AntiFeminists18/11/22 05:27 PM
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They were both mentally abusive, but amber was the physically abusive one so she should be punished accordingly Not according to Ms. Magazine. Amber is as pure as the driven snow. Oh, and watch the trial again. Johnny Depp's emotional 'abuse' of Heard is wildly exaggerated. To even call it abuse is stretching the term to meaninglessness. But feminists out there cling to "But he said nasty things to her!" as a lifeline, and surprise surprise, you've bought into it. That's how feminism operates. Y…
/r/AntiFeminists18/11/22 04:51 PM
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Damn near every feminist organization on the planet just signed a petition to get "justice for Amber Heard", despite having her proven a liar and the abusive one in the relationship over the course of months, in full view of the entire world. The level of upside-down clown world reasoning you need to do that is entirely demonstrative of what feminism considers "equality". Feminists don't march for equal sentencing for female convicts; they march to have preferential treatment for female convicts…
/r/AntiFeminists18/11/22 04:02 PM
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Lies. Liberalism is about equality. John Locke, Adam Smith, Mary Wollencraft, liberal philosophers ever since the term was first used have been defining what equality means and how the relationship between individual and society actually works. Feminism took that, slapped a gender war on top of it and turned it fucking upside down. Left is right, up is down, "feminism is about equality." You can say that all day long, and even get people to believe you, but it is the dead fucking opposite of rea…
/r/AntiFeminists18/11/22 12:53 PM
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You buy into a supremacy movement. And are completely unashamed to admit it. That makes you the 'neck beard'. Klanners have proven to be able to have civil conversations with black people, too. Even demonstrating empathy and respect. Then they go home, and either hang up the hood for good or turn into a fucking tumor waiting to explode cancer when they get the first opportunity. I'm guessing since you still identify as a feminist, you're the second category. Feminism is a hate group. Paper it up…
/r/AntiFeminists18/11/22 12:45 PM
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Your husband shouldn’t approve of what you wear. Is everything okay at home? Edit never mind I looked at your profile, and I’m pretty certain you’re a guy cosplays as a stay at home trad wife. This didn't even require me scrolling that much. There was more, and worse, further in. And I'm fairly sure you don't even realize why this was hateful towards men, and will argue until you're blue in the face when pressed on it. Everybody else here will be able to out you as at least mildly misandrist imm…
/r/AntiFeminists18/11/22 12:27 PM
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Your problem is you've been fooled into thinking feminism was ever a 'moderate' ideology to begin with. It never was. It never. Was. Feminism has been an extremist hate group since way back in the Seneca Falls era. Elizabeth Cady Stanton hated you for being male and made no bones about it. And she was far from alone. These days, it's wearing the cloth of liberalism - which is a generally enlightened and moderate ideology - but then turns around and says, "Only the feminist version of liberal tho…
/r/AntiFeminists18/11/22 12:20 PM
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Oooorrrr could be female prison populations are already far more predisposed - on the order of three to one - towards sexual violence on each other, and putting anyone male or female into that setting greatly increases the odds they'll get involved somewhere. You're still blaming the trans guy for being a guy, when it's the overall feminine contribution seems to cause the problem there.
/r/AntiFeminists18/11/22 11:37 AM
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Huh, wow. Criminals being criminals. Must mean trans women are all bastards, amirite? Nevermind that inmate-on-inmate sexual violence is three times higher among women prison populations. Nah, should be that dude in a dress we be watchin' for. He's sus.
/r/AntiFeminists18/11/22 05:20 AM
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I don't have a daughter thanks God but I think its perverted that a guy in drag can enter the little girls bathroom/shower at school. That's more of that moral panic again, my guy. Personally, IDGAF unless they actually do something. The notion that we need to keep adult men away from children is yet another ugly bias. You think you're leaning into transphobia, but what you're really leaning into is male phobia. You genuinely think adult women are safer around kids than adult men, regardless of …
/r/AntiFeminists18/11/22 04:58 AM
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As far as I'm concerned, more power to them. I couldn't do it, but dressing up as a woman and demanding all the same privileges puts a harsh spotlight on just exactly how privileged a class women are these days. Trans women are MRA allies, even when they don't realize it. (And so are trans men, but for different reasons... really, anyone who experiences both sides these days tends to side with men's rights.) But going by your opinions in the comments, you genuinely are transphobic. Accusing them…
/r/AntiFeminists18/11/22 04:03 AM
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This fucking guy again. Look, Reeves is sort of going in the right direction, but not really. Still blames men for the issues men are facing, still caters to feminist talking points, and in so doing completely whiffs on the real issue: a deeply entrenched bias against men. Nevertheless, I've seen his book being advertised here at least a dozen times now. Real talk: It's, well, okay. It ain't great. It's not awful, either. But as far as people speaking for men goes, Reeves is only acceptable unti…
/r/MensRights14/11/22 12:07 AM
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An ideology that zeroes in on the needs of one special interest group can seem noble. But every single time, it turns into an ideology of hatred and dismissal of everything other. Feminism, while not the only ideology like this, is certainly the prime example of this effect in action. Let feminism die. Egalitarianism or bust.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/11/22 07:01 PM
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That doesn't make a lot of sense, though. The ZSU was and is turning volunteers away by the tens of thousands, anyone without military experience is being told to go home. The Ukrainian commentators - like Denys Davidov, etc. - mention trying to sign up and being sent away despite being fit and military age, because there was nowhere to train them and equip them effectively. Partisan efforts sure, those are supported, but not regular military. That's overstuffed at the moment, is what we're bein…
/r/MensRights10/11/22 10:31 PM
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This entire topic is a trigger for me, so I'll leave it to more level heads to explain why Bell Hooks was pushing discrimination that was worse than what she purportedly wanted to combat. Like this person right here. If I have to read her sanctimonious "it's not black men's fault because patriarchy (except it really is men's fault lol)" again to scrape some quotes I might throw household objects through walls. This is what you get.
/r/MensRights10/11/22 12:40 AM
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lol. What you're missing here boss is that all of us saying she was a racist and misandrist? We did read her first. And ya, your brain won't explode if you read things that are racist and misandrist, but calling a spade a spade is a thing too. You're saying happy shit about things you haven't even read yourself, if your OP is to be believed, so where do you come off policing opinions of people who did read her? FFS smdh And you wrote that 6 hours after a comment I edited before a couple minutes …
/r/MensRights09/11/22 10:01 PM
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Bell Hooks was racist as fuck. But only towards black men. Like a feminist Uncle Tom. Her works are constantly dogging black men for all the reasons you point out you're not dogging on rural people. Same logic, except Bell Hooks turns it on its head and blames black men for their ignorance. Black women, of course, weren't ignorant themselves, just oppressed yet overall better human beings. Pfft.
/r/MensRights09/11/22 04:06 PM
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Even if you granted a fetus all the same rights as a grown human, it still doesn't mean we should allow it to use a woman's womb for 9 months against her will. This is the absurd, revolting assertion that die-hard bodily autonomy purists make, and I cannot emphasize enough how morally and ethically bankrupt this notion is. However, engaging with people who believe this has proven in the past to be pointless. Even demonstrating all the many ways we don't have constant, uninterrupted bodily autono…
/r/MensRights08/11/22 08:46 PM
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I'm also pro-choice. But bodily autonomy is not sacred. As a matter of fact, as it currently stands that argument is horrifically overused, and there are people out there who genuinely believe it trumps right to life in situations where that would actually matter. Which is absurd. The reason a fetus's right to life doesn't trump bodily autonomy is because it is not sapient and does not have any rights yet, only those imposed on it by observers. Furthermore, by basing their arguments on a practic…
/r/MensRights08/11/22 08:25 PM
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Music Festival for Men's rights forced to cancel, 2014
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/11/22 03:41 AM
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Well, there was this gem right here: https://www.change.org/p/doubletree-downtown-detroit-hotel-cancel-the-men-s-rights-conference?recruiter=101265505
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/11/22 03:39 AM
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Fair enough.
/r/MensRights06/11/22 10:30 AM
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He's a minor. That complicates things. Still possible, but parents usually need to be involved. She's a minor. That complicates things. Some states outright don't allow it, others require a higher burden of proof, which leads to #3. This is not a domestic abuse issue regarding a household member, the threshold for one form of restraining order. This is not, under most legal definitions of the term, sexual harassment. It's just regular bullying. Which, despite efforts by some activist groups, is …
/r/MensRights06/11/22 03:22 AM
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It's just the one overzealous rando, that's why you're getting downvotes. You're hyperbolizing, about that one thing. But otherwise correct.
/r/MensRights06/11/22 02:39 AM
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Pretty much the same thing, and has been since Elizabeth Cady Stanton's era. Nothing about feminism is not already misandrist. But otherwise terrible advice, because she's his sister and he's 15. He ain't getting a restraining order. What he can do is speak to school officials and his parents about her behavior, as another commenter pointed out above.
/r/MensRights06/11/22 02:37 AM
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liberalism ≠ feminism. I'm a liberal, and liberal values are what drive respect for individual liberties in the first place. Democracy itself is a liberal value. Feminism is a perversion of liberal values, using the rallying cry for 'equality' while in actuality promoting the opposite, supremecy based on an intrinsic character trait. That is not liberalism. Conservatives only think they hate feminists... Nobody likes them less than liberals who actually read philosophers like John Locke, Adam Sm…
/r/MensRights05/11/22 11:41 PM
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I'm pretty much right where you are, boss.
/r/MensRights05/11/22 09:44 PM
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Well, here's the thing. A lotta people blame WW2 and WW1 for us breaking out of the great depression into an era of historically unparalleled prosperity. A lotta people are wrong. Not entirely, but definitely they're giving more credit than those wars and the loan repayments are due; and less credit to something far less sexy, but also far more impactful. What also happened during the same period was a steep - I'm talking EIGHTY PERCENT - tax on the income/capital gains of uber-wealthy. And a co…
/r/AntiFeminists05/11/22 07:51 PM
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Best comment
/r/MensRights05/11/22 03:45 PM
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Still satirizing, and completely whiffing the point. At least you're highlighting one of the issues here. A group that claims to be good things, and indeed suckers good people, but in the end radicalizes and creates hate. The longer Watson is a feminist, the worse of a person she is. If you are able to ignore the injustices engendered in the name of the ideology you follow, then regardless of the rhetoric you use, you are "one of the bad ones." In Britain, the very same people Watson is lauding …
/r/MensRights05/11/22 03:11 PM
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You satirize, but feminism in and of itself is an ideology of hatred. Speeches like Watson's are notable not for being proof feminism is about equality, but for being the exception, and in direct contradiction to what feminist groups across the world actually do. If you want to know whether feminists are man hating psychopaths, watch what they do, and what they say when they aren't trying to blow smoke up your ass. The problem this creates is that people who genuinely hold egalitarian values are…
/r/MensRights05/11/22 03:00 PM
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So I'm guessing you're a proponent of trickle down economics.
/r/AntiFeminists05/11/22 12:59 PM
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That wasn't 'progressives', that was its own thing; and scam artists are everywhere. Just because a scam artist abuses a message doesn't invalidate it. If anything, it makes the original version more important to clarify and hold fast to. Scam artists abused every single step of our current freedoms and rights, and yet here we are - because our ancestors held fast. Progressive policies, unions, and civil rights are valuable enough to not succumb to apathy about when malicious actors try to use t…
/r/AntiFeminists05/11/22 06:37 AM
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it's one of the subs I've blocked from my feed, for the sheer rage inducing factor. So misandrist it makes my teeth ache. I'd rather not even acknowledge it exists.
/r/MensRights04/11/22 10:47 PM
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The reverse is also true. You end up creating liberals by letting the far right talk. Extreme views tend to reinforce each other, among other causes of polarization. Fact is, both extremes are absurd, but at least progressives are on the correct side of wealth inequalities, which in the long view are more damaging than most of the other problems in politics. But that's my opinion. Which might be polarizing. What we need is progressive economic policy and conservative social policies, or rather, …
/r/AntiFeminists04/11/22 09:40 PM
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Drugs can fix that Antidepressants do wonders for killing a sex drive
/r/MensRights04/11/22 12:08 PM
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Yeah it does help you, as a male victim. Because, who's to say your own attacker won't accuse you of being the rapist if you press the issue? Knowing that you'll need proof makes you keep the receipts. Observe the Pence rule. And take steps to protect yourself. Oh, and yes false accusations are that common. It's just that most of them never make it in front of a judge. But you'll find more men out there accused of bullshit than not by some woman, because our culture encourages it and because lyi…
/r/MensRights31/10/22 04:48 PM
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"One need only ask a few men about their experiences in trying to reach out for help to get an idea about what's going on. Pro tip: I don't think most of them will tell you it's the heteronormative standards of masculinity keeping them down." Brilliant.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/10/22 12:38 PM
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There's at least one scenario where this isn't true: if the question involves what a man should or shouldn't do. Then it's circle-the-wagons time.
/r/AntiFeminists29/10/22 12:04 PM
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I only saw the one comment that got big downvotes, before reddit stopped scrolling your history; so I can only base this off of one sample size. But I still feel pretty confident in saying I 100% assure you it was the wordplay in the first sentence that did it. That's the issue with big subs like r/antiwork and such. You cannot get too cute with how you say things, because there's too many people and the ones that skim through comments quickly - most of them - will often only care to vote at all…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/10/22 05:18 AM
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This is pretty much my take on it, so have a +1
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/10/22 05:09 AM
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Ok settle down there Uncle Roger
/r/AntiFeminists25/10/22 10:42 PM
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You know, it really doesn't work like that. Depopulate half the men, you don't just 'bounce back'. Your population may recover slightly faster than when half the women die, but only slightly. And meanwhile, those men aren't performing necessary survival tasks for women who may be pregnant or recovering. And for that matter, the fact that so many societies commit infanticide on girl infants - horrific as that may be - stands against the idea that people 'naturally' want to protect women's lives o…
/r/MensRights24/10/22 11:55 PM
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Nuance exists, of course; you're right about that. People who say the same things can come at those things from completely different directions. One person can say, for example, "I'd rather fight a war than give birth" as a joke, or dead serious; and if serious, it could be because their body is genuinely not fit for birth, and it would be a horrible idea for them personally; or conversely, they could be somehow stuck on the idea that childbirth in general is a worse fate than fighting a war. Th…
/r/MensRights24/10/22 11:33 PM
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And then you decided to declare that fighting a war was preferable to childbirth. OP has a point. The actual feminist community TwoX (watch what they do, not what they say, regarding banned content and commentary) is in fact posting up a hypothetical scenario to get worried about; women involuntarily being 'conscripted' to give birth; when a real government action - conscription to fight and die horribly - that's happening right now is in fact much worse, all over the world, which your 'not femi…
/r/MensRights24/10/22 03:04 PM
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Childbirth is a privilege. Whoever told you it wasn't did you a huge disservice. You can do something half the human race cannot, something absolutely essential to life, the same thing that brought you into the world. You don't take pride in that? You absolutely should. That you don't is sad. And childbirth - and pregnancy, for that matter - are not harms. They can be, but so can most other activities in life; it is not intrinsically harmful, it is intrinsically wonderful. Harm is the exception,…
/r/MensRights24/10/22 02:32 PM
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There you go again. This is not comparable. This is not apples to apples. You are not respecting what those men are doing, regardless of how you frame it. That's why you're getting massively downvoted. Childbirth is by and large a privilege, one with costs and risks but also one that is fundamental to family, bonds, and many of the things people cherish most in this life. War is fucking hell. From beginning to end. Any joy you manage to squeeze out of life is despite war, not because of it. I do…
/r/MensRights24/10/22 03:54 AM
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"I would still choose to go fight in a war over pregnancy and childbirth." Maybe you're only saying that because you're a murder hobo, but otherwise it's probably because you haven't been seeing the results of a drone-delivered grenade destroying half a man's bowel system (if he lives), among other numerous events similar to. Even the soldiers who survive intact, some 40% experience ptsd. You don't live in the 1500s. The most alarmist article I could find said "More than ONE PERCENT of all child…
/r/MensRights24/10/22 03:38 AM
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"we" do, but you're making noises like you don't. Diminishing and handwaving away the deep sacrifices those men are committing. They are not comparable to childbirth, either in scale or in kind. My point is to warn you what happens if you lean too far in that direction, and to cherish what you have.
/r/MensRights24/10/22 03:21 AM
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Then you should know better. Even us in the West know all the toys we're sending would be useless without Ukrainian soldiers kicking ass. And a huge part of that is the difference in how Ukraine - and that especially includes Ukrainian women - treat their soldiers, versus how the orcs do. Russian women treat their men like absolute shit much of the time. Zero respect. Mothers with sons, girlfriends fucking around, wives more concerned with what goodies their man can steal than the men themselves…
/r/MensRights24/10/22 02:18 AM
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So, the book has problems this article didn't mention, but overall this is the most intelligent parsing of Richard Reeve's book to date. I'm not going to give kudos to Richard Reeves, but I will to Robert VerBruggen here. Well played. Compared to his fellow journalists and critics, VerBruggen did the best job of explaining this book for people who haven't heard of it by a country mile. He just went onto my list of names to watch.
/r/MensRights24/10/22 01:53 AM
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Women who give birth live on average 2 years longer than women who don't, and generally have higher health outlooks and QoL comparatively Now. There's a lot of qualifiers for that. Correlation, not causation, for example. It's probably safe to say that women healthier at the start end up with more likelihood of carrying a child to term. And of course it could be a matter of extremes, with plenty of women "messing up their health" from childbirth still, so even if the overall outcome is beneficia…
/r/MensRights24/10/22 12:23 AM
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I'm going to disagree with you, but in a way I think you'll appreciate. When I was part of Occupy Wallstreet back in the 00's, we had one purpose: fight corporate abuses and wealth inequalities. Feminists came in like a storm, and dismantled our efforts, using much the same logic you're using now but ratcheted up to max volume. "If you don't address inequalities regarding how men treat women, how can you ever call yourselves for human rights and dignity?" When you're campaigning for a special in…
/r/MensRights23/10/22 01:34 PM
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This idea that the issue is one of role models or is reframing away from what the real problem is. "women won't stick around for that nonsense" is the opposite of the problem as well. And just flat untrue. Women are enforcing that nonsense, as much or more than other men are. By largely refusing to date down, by labeling men opening up to them as 'emotional labor', by treating men largely as predators and guilty until proven innocent, by mostly not initiating with men but waiting for men to do i…
/r/MensRights22/10/22 09:53 AM
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No. This article feeds into all kinds of ideas that are hostile to men and masculinity, while purporting to be supportive of men. I'm really getting tired of shit like this.
/r/MensRights22/10/22 09:36 AM
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Very informative, but this crew needs a website designer badly. Lotta people will discredit good information based on the state of the website alone.
/r/MensRights21/10/22 09:20 PM
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I'm glad, though I'll be honest, they were more emotional support suggestions than anything tangible. The real path forward is leaning on your contacts and history. All of your contacts and history. Track down some of the professors you studied under at academy and ask for help. Again, contact old captains, old operations/HR people. If you don't have their numbers, ask people you can reach to pass along a message to contact you. Ask. For. Help. Ask complete strangers. Hell, I know if I wasn't ov…
/r/MenSupportMen12/10/22 02:01 AM
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So you're inland waters/great lakes? - maybe it operates differently from the Gulf, because I spoke to several harbor pilots about their job in places like Tampa and Galveston who told me they were always looking for people. That was a long time ago, though, so I'm probably out of date. I apologize for assuming. Regarding longshoremen, the pay difference was assuming you weren't an officer; since you are, clearly there's a steep difference. I wasn't sure, so I put that caveat in there. I will sa…
/r/MenSupportMen12/10/22 12:32 AM
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No transferable skills? Really? I'm guessing you're at least a Boatswain, if you haven't gone to academy. You haven't described yourself as an engineer, so I'm guessing that's off the table, but officer training is absolutely a transferable set of skills. At a minimum, even if you're just a tankerman assuming no piloting/officer certifications at all, you can probably get a longshoreman job with some tenure from the union - they love guys like you. And your pay won't take much a hit, unless you …
/r/MenSupportMen11/10/22 08:41 PM
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Pretty sure that Arkansas made that into state law as well, as of last year. https://www.robertson-law-firm.com/blog/2021/09/what-you-should-know-about-the-change-in-arkansass-child-custody-law/
/r/MensRights11/10/22 09:43 AM
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Just have to be louder and more stubborn than they are. Truth's on your side, not theirs.
/r/MensRights10/10/22 08:14 PM
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Oh, and "toxic masculinity" was in there too. Nope. Just, no. This paper was pandering, not a real effort at understanding the incel community.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/10/22 06:50 AM
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It's a miss for me. Largely because this paper, to probably absolutely no one's surprise, largely dismisses the possibility that incel complaints may in fact be valid. It's yet another paper that calls for changing the person ("internal locus of control") instead of addressing the issues that led to that person's feelings of helplessness and suicidal/harmful ideation in the first place ("external locus of control", to use the terminology of the paper.) Or what you might call "victim blaming." It…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/10/22 06:46 AM
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You should post this question in r /leftwingmaleadvocates as well I'd also suggest r /mensrights, but I'm not sure if there's a rule conflict there. Might be worth trying though
/r/AntiFeminists09/10/22 10:14 PM
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under 30, women over 30, men source Note that the highest group of cheaters for men was after 50 years old, when their wives are usually post-menopause.
/r/seduction07/10/22 02:31 PM
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Agreed. Until we collectively acknowledge that much of these phenomena are caused by social and systemic bias against men, any 'solutions' will be boxing at shadows. I was waiting for this speaker to point it out, but no matter how close he came, he deflected onto other reasons. Disappointing.
/r/MensRights07/10/22 01:25 AM
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Teacher bias in schools. We have people out there saying boys are dumber than girls, and using school grades to 'prove' it. Notions like redshirting boys because they 'develop slower', as if that would help boys develop if we did... But take out teacher bias, take that thumb off the scale, and boys perform as well or better than girls do. This situation is utterly outrageous and truly needs to be addressed. https://mitili.mit.edu/sites/default/files/project-documents/SEII-Discussion-Paper-2016.0…
/r/MensRights06/10/22 10:57 PM
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Oh, wow. No. That is not correct. None of that is correct. Not your characterization of my reply, or of the content within it, or even of midwives. The point I was making was to address any ideas that men historically had control over sex, relationships and childbirth - they did not. But currently? Currently, women have a monopoly on both sex and childbirth. Sex, relationships, outcomes, all of that in a cultural and legal sense women have the thumb on the scale far more than men do. The reasons…
/r/MensRights05/10/22 10:52 PM
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But with respect to the term patriarchy… do you think it exists? Has existed historically? If it does/has existed, do you think it has been harmful? Why or why not? Not the guy you replied to, but I'll take a crack at this one. Has patriarchy ever existed? No. Not as feminists define it. Here's a riddle for you: What's black and white, but red all over? Answer: Patriarchy rolling down a hill. If that made sense to you, you're a feminist. It's anything feminists want it to be, if it explains some…
/r/MensRights05/10/22 09:55 PM
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Men generally couldn't choose either. Marriages for both parties were arranged by the families of both - usually. And when it comes down to it, the men and women participating still usually had some say. But even when they didn't, the idea that it was 'women' who were powerless in these circumstances is absurd. Marriages across cultures and continents have more often been arranged by women than not - it was considered women's domain, usually. Matchmakers who were third parties, hired by families…
/r/MensRights05/10/22 09:38 PM
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Brilliantly put.
/r/MensRights05/10/22 09:06 PM
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r/exredpill is just another in a long line of disinformation efforts. People forming groups and shouting "You're wrong!" "No, you're wrong!" Nothing that gets as large or as popular an idea as red pill does so by being completely wrong. However. Is red pill perfect? Hell no, it's infested with scam artists, and frankly if you look closely enough no two 'red pill' experts really agree with each other 100%. Detractors of particular people or ideas within red pill have a lot to be right about. As l…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/10/22 06:18 AM
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I've been boycotting Facebook for a decade now. It's time to leave. Tell people if they want you to hear what they have to say, don't use Facebook to say it.
/r/MensRights01/10/22 03:21 AM
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This is what bigotry looks like.
/r/AntiFeminists30/09/22 12:28 PM
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This is very true. But what does indicate something else going on is when you find proof of something else going on. Specifically, teacher bias against boys. And not just a little. Enough of a finger on the scale to completely change outcomes on a societal level. Other studies - many, many other studies - have confirmed this happening. Even researchers who are trying to 'prove' that the reason women aren't as active in STEM is teacher bias, tend to change or at least moderate their tune; I've be…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/09/22 12:07 PM
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Agreed, and the whole thing is upsetting. Part of the problem is that there are biological differences in learning and behavior. But there's also teachers discriminating against boys to the degree that, if tests are not labeled with names, boys score on average 10-20% higher than before and frequently outperform girls at the same level. But put boy's names on those tests, and suddenly they're 'underperforming'. That's a degree of teacher bias that is beyond outrageous; authorities should be soun…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/09/22 11:51 AM
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I'll give this guy credit for one thing at least, he's wedging open the door on the idea that men might be having problems. Where he fails is in attributing that to biological determinism (boys develop slower than girls) rather than systemic discrimination, which is the real problem. But outlets like this one don't like that narrative much, at least currently.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/09/22 03:58 AM
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hoo man. feels like it was only a couple years ago she got divorced the first time.
/r/MensRights30/09/22 02:46 AM
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None. I think it's a horrible idea to validate the term 'toxic masculinity' by trying to flip the script. The phrase needs to die, and we need a unified front on that to make it happen.
/r/MensRights29/09/22 01:41 PM
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r/Menaregood is a meme-format style sub, which basically does a daily dose of inspirational things that men do. Don't expect deep discussion there, but for feel-good moments it's a winner.
/r/MensRights29/09/22 01:12 PM
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As far as the overall situation goes, I feel deeply for you. Loyalty towards your wife in this situation is commendable, and should be encouraged. You're doing the right thing by trying to keep this ship on the right course. Insofar as her situation goes, the first thing that strikes me is that the pituitary controls release of hormones like prolactin and oxytocin in a woman's orgasm, which does affect the mood after a climax - but, much like menopause, hormone replacement therapy can at least r…
/r/MenSupportMen28/09/22 12:05 PM
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they will not change their stance. This would be the deal breaker for me. Feminism is like liberalism, except it's a polemic. 'We need equality' is liberalism, but feminism adds 'Down with the patriarchy.' Unlike educated liberals who hold classical values of freedom and equality, educated feminists don't understand the philosophical underpinnings of natural rights. What rights humans have in a state of nature, simply by existing; how individuals contract themselves with society, what the back-a…
/r/MensRights26/09/22 08:44 PM
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Name and shame. What school, what district, state and municipal representatives, potential legal and civic action resources. A dirty photo done with a phone is not enough. As it stands, this is merely rage bait. But if true - if - then it represents a serious attempt to convince children to engage in bigotry under the veneer of purportedly exposing it. And this doesn't stop until we make it stop. So, name them and shame them. If it's a university, btw, this r/titleix subreddit will probably be v…
/r/MensRights23/09/22 09:49 AM
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Because guys aren't generally presented with great matches? Or any matches, matches, really. That's the first problem, the imbalance in who initiates. Second, you're making a false equivalence. There's millions of girls in their prime. There's a lot less millionaire dudes. Sure, both may be gatekeepers in their way, but the millionaire guy isn't affecting the entire society negatively with his selectivity. Those girls are, by sheer weight of numbers. Moreover, the millionaire doesn't age out of …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/22 02:26 AM
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The question was never 'why don't women settle down in their prime', it's 'why don't women settle down with a rational choice of a peer in their prime.' The guy in the OP is a fucking unicorn. Who has a line around the block of women if he chooses to. If y'all have a man like that in your sights, then the lesson here is the problem is you, not men. And waiting until you're in your bitter 30's with a more 'realistic' set of selection criteria is bad for you and bad for men. It should be simple to…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/22 01:08 AM
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Ok no. There is no mystical sense of whether someone is interested or not. That's just a dumb trope that needs to die. There is no substitute for breaching the topic directly. For men or women. Don't hint, don't play games, because that leads to shenanigans and unlike movies, shenanigans in real life are not fun. Unless you're into toying with people like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/22 12:59 AM
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I think you're correct.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/09/22 05:14 AM
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You're not wrong. An internet archive link would be more merited.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/09/22 05:13 AM
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oh for crying out loud This article made me roll my eyes all right, but it's not because of the modern male struggle. The sheer, arrogant condescension dripping off this article...
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/09/22 05:11 AM
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Doubling down, I see. So the answer appears to be yes, that is the best you can do. Disappointing.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/22 12:00 AM
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Lies, gaslighting, misdirection and propping up your own strawmen while accusing me of the same. Is this the best you can do?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 11:07 PM
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Hey, sometimes the spaghetti misses the wall. I thought it was hilarious, and that's what matters here.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 09:43 PM
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I don't know about 'xxx', but you're right, 'askfeminists' exists because the other feminist subreddits tend to autoban people for expressing independent thoughts. Of course, you're also right that 'askfeminists' also makes heavy use of the mod hammer, but theoretically it's a place where people who are not feminists can ask feminists questions. Since r/mensrights and other MRA subs don't engage in that behavior, we don't really need an 'askMRA' for the same reason. BUT. We may as well do it, si…
/r/MensRights20/09/22 09:23 PM
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:) If calling out and joking on revolting hypocrisy is the act of a 13 year old, then sure, I'm 13 forever
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 09:04 PM
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Over the past year or two I've been participating in conversations with you present, I can't say I'm convinced any of the claims you're making now are accurate. And the 'inaccurate' statement about 'only men fighting wars' is a strawman, but one throwing dirt over the clear and overwhelming preponderance of which gender does in fact directly kill and die and suffer agonizing wounds in wartime. I firmly believe Mrs. Clinton lost the presidency to Trump the moment she stated (paraphrased) "Women h…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 08:47 PM
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Well, it's like this. In an also unrelated bit of news, over 60% of homeless in Britain are men, and an overwhelming majority of those homeless who are completely unsheltered are men. In a different but also unrelated bit of news, those numbers are equally true for Americans, and even more extremely tilted for Australians. These facts have no bearing on a conversation where someone affirmatively claimed that (paraphrased) "all the men they know have stable jobs and families." Do you see how none…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 08:28 PM
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As someone who did in fact serve, I say the reason I did so - other than college tuition - is so that they could, in fact, say shit like that. At least in the U.S., it's, like, something military guys are kinda proud about and tell each other when we're having a bad day. We fight for the freedoms everyone else is then free to take for granted, and that's generally the whole point of democracy. To assume freedom of expression as a fundamental right, like breathing. Even if I disagree with them, I…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 08:09 PM
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who's the cute widdle redditor that takes things out of context then accuses the person they're talking to of doing that when they didn't? cutesy voice You are. Oh yes you are. Oh what a naughty little redditor you are. What are we to do with you? Also stop eating toilet paper and getting it all over the house after clawing it up, and chewing the walls is a no-no you adorable widdle blue alien guy you :)
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 07:53 PM
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We wouldn't care nearly as much if finding and keeping a stable partner didn't operate like the Pareto Principle, and if we weren't judged so harshly by women for our social and financial standing. But since we are, it necessitates a 'more than normal' life just to have a shot at a caring partner who's loyal and appreciative. Something men more and more often can't reasonably attain these days. Seems like the opposite of entitlement to me. Whatever word or phrase that might be, I'm not sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 07:50 PM
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In Britain, a preponderance of doctors are shifting to part-time working hours, or moving to less 'difficult' roles. https://www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj.n2794 this is creating a somewhat unique health care crisis. It's in stark contrast to around 30 years ago, when full-time hours and even overtime was common for around 95% of doctors. In unrelated news, British doctors are majority women.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 07:45 PM
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Where are you getting this data from? I couldn't find anywhere stating 'taller men marry older women'. What I could find, though, is "richer men marry younger women." So if you're talking about men who have the number one market advantage - the men who have the most complete freedom to choose - those men get on average younger wives than anyone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 07:36 PM
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I haven't seen any research supporting that conclusion, and a quick pubmed search didn't find anything either. On top of which, it's just logically unsound. I'm calling b.s. on this one.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 07:08 AM
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It literally does conflict with all of them. If you're being overdramatic, you are dicto simpliciter not being boring. Unless you define the word boring so loosely as to be utterly meaningless. Same for the other traits I mentioned. If you're going to make that argument, I can't take you seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 06:59 AM
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Is that true, or is that what you want to be true? Because that makes no sense either. Someone who is less impulsive is one who's looking for a good match - which might be someone from a different age bracket. The impulsive person would be the one who decided 'this age group' and stopped thinking there.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 06:52 AM
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PREACH
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 06:41 AM
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As often as you like, but you know what boring DOES make you? Less likely to be oversensitive, dramatic, taking things out of context, starting fights, deliberately misinterpreting you, etcetera. Which means boring is fairly well correlated with the traits that make for a long-lasting, stable partner. And also that's a strawman argument. If you're going to legitimately argue the point you have to address the complete man described, boring being only one of the traits.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 06:41 AM
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That's absurd on the face of it. If anything, impulsive behavior is negatively correlated with age; which is tied to risk awareness, which is tied to abusive behavior. So rationally speaking, a pairing of two 18 year olds is far more likely to show incidents of abuse, bullying, antagonizing behavior, etc. than one where one of the partners has aged out of some impulsiveness, and has more experience in conflict resolution, putting the brakes on abuse in both directions. However, if we're talking …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 06:34 AM
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I dunno man. The most downvoted comment in your recent history that I saw led with, "Covid is a glorified flu." Incorrect. It's a glorified cold, since around 10-15% of colds were caused by various covid strains - not covid 19, but some others. Influenza is its own thing. Maybe that's why you were downvoted? lol Like I said, I don't know boss. I can never really predict when a comment will be downvoted or upvoted, I just say what I'm gonna say and try to keep an open mind. Same should go for you…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/09/22 05:38 AM
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Yeah, there's that too. People who talk out both sides tend to be a turn off to me. And I learned to stop sticking my dick in crazy pretty early on.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 03:03 AM
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...by that logic, the "Appoint Women" boards, the absurdly one sided laws, etc. are not doing Australian women any favors? Wouldn't you want to correct that then? If thumping men around is good for them, you'd think you'd want that for women too. The 'fierce and powerful' women you're describing sound more like 'every whim catered to entitled whiny children'. Who you aren't allowed to offend because that's misogyny. Does that really sound fierce and powerful to you? By proxy, maybe...
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 02:10 AM
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That's you, mate. Personally, I haven't found partners to be any more or less honest or expressive after a relationship than during it. If they don't feel they can speak their mind until you're not dating anymore, you're doing it wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 01:32 AM
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You'd think that, until you take a closer look at what the israeli military does with their men and women. Discrimination is alive and well in Israel. And as far as the U.S. goes, or any selective service for that matter: even if it's unused, it still represents a risk. It's still an inequity. It still matters. It's not 'extra benefits and privileges', nor 'something for nothing' if such a thing is compensated for.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 01:29 AM
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Two words: giant spiders. Not one single country is madlad enough to invade Australia except the English, and they only did it to dump their undesireables. Australian women are safe, mmkay? Though from what I hear australian men are hardly safe from australian women. 2nd class citizens for real, possible the worst gender discrimination in the English speaking world - and that's saying something, considering India also has English as a national language. It's not just that male victims go horrend…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 01:20 AM
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Wait what? This guy's agreeing with OP, even after adding the pregnancy detail. How are you not on board with OP after this?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 01:10 AM
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We had feminists wreck Occupy in our area too, in Florida. We didn't have oppression-olympics queues, but they did a damn good job of making most of our most active participants unwelcome, caused massive delays in protests because we had to organize 'safe spaces' and all kinds of other nonsense during events, and did worse. It was a legitimate shitshow. And before then we were doing so damned good too, we were actually getting things done, had regular conversations with the city council, even ha…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/09/22 11:57 PM
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They were telling us we have to deal with the economics and capitalism first, and everything else can come later. That is not the right way to go forward here. ... this... The ENTIRE POINT of Occupy Wallstreet was dealing with off-the-rails banking practices that were wrecking lower income people and edging them out of political relevance.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/09/22 11:50 PM
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Ok, I don't have a name suggestion but I wanted to say there's a whole lotta names falling under this category that people have suggested so far Like an excessive amount of names
/r/MensRights19/09/22 10:36 PM
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Just to be clear, that idiot's opinions do not represent mine. As far as I'm concerned, tradcon is feminism inverted, or feminism is tradcon inverted. Both are insidious mindsets, and a far cry from real equality.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 02:33 PM
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Wrong question. Appeal to authority fallacy. What you should be asking is what feminist groups do that merits such a judgement. And I already gave one example - Seneca Falls. Just read the list they wrote up back then, at the 'foundation' of American feminism. It's a screed with so many false assumptions and biases against men that, even considering it was written in an environment where coverture was still impacting society, it's still way the hell over the top. In a way that can only be credit…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 02:31 PM
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What? fuck no. I reject feminism because I do believe in principles of equality. I don't know where you're coming from, but we are not friends. You share more in common with feminists than I do.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 02:22 PM
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feminism as it is now is mostly a bullshit parade the PMC to sideline class solidarity I got to see this in action. A feminist group dismantled our Occupy Wallstreet group. I almost have to wonder if, whenever a troublesome grassroots civil rights group forms, like for less wealth inequality etcetera - there's a coin toss as to send them into the arms of white nationalists or feminists, whichever group will dismantle them faster.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 12:45 PM
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Feminism is an ideology of hatred. Not a role model.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 12:38 PM
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Was not a fan of this video. Tone-deaf, and pushing a narrative that despite claiming to be concerned about men does not do any favors for them - the "why are you hitting yourself" kind of b.s. gaslighting reasoning that usually (but not always) comes from feminist circles. Women are the gatekeepers of sex and relationships, and yet you almost never see women take responsibility for negative outcomes. At no point did this person address or even imply the possibility of women's choices being a dr…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/09/22 06:29 PM
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I can't take this reply seriously. You're so close with this it's logical to assume that dating realities are local phenomena but lose it with this with ourselves as loci As another demonstration of why this mindset is problematic, it just let you drive right past an important thing to note: culture is also a local phenomena to a degree, and it may very well be that our experiences are different not because we act differently, but because we aren't living in the same places. Among other possible…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/22 02:35 AM
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I'm not a Russian looking for a pretext to invade somewhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/22 01:24 AM
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No, men do not. And it's not just regarding dating, but the way we generally use the language itself to describe men and women. And it is a pervasive bias. It's evident in everything from grade-school test results to political dialogue. So no, I don't accept your postulate that 'men do it to women too.' Perhaps in smaller corners of the web like this subreddit, where you have a critical mass of men angry enough to push back, but in the mainstream dialogue? In the bestselling novels, most-watched…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/22 01:23 AM
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Shallow thinking, that. For example, try telling a black man in the antebellum south that the 'common denominator' in why he can't catch a break is his own actions, and that better decisions would mean better results. You'd be right in telling him that. And also very wrong. Now, before you go saying I'm putting up a strawman argument, I'll easily acknowledge that dating problems are not the same as racism. (except when they're, well, racism in action.) But the idea that 'the common denominator i…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/22 01:10 AM
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Of course the problem was me, because I'm the guy in that situation and obviously it's just poor taste on my part. Witness the great decision-making skills of Eugene, here, and his flawless execution; heed not the warnings of the miserable fool he is chastising. Women are perfect. Except the ones you should have instinctively avoided, and that's not those women's fault. Clearly.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/22 11:39 PM
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On this wide a scale, yes. The clue is when discussing how women treat men in, say, Scotland. Or Nicaragua. Not just how women treat men, but how women talk about men, as compared to England or the States. It's a completely different conversation. Men in the abstract are considered, though not universally attractive, at least generally desired. But here? It's a point of pride for women to dog on men, to discuss their shortcomings, to wax poetic on all the reasons they'll never be interested in a…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/22 11:28 PM
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If we don't skip over that part, then what is the implication exactly? What exactly are you trying to say? If, say, non-psychopaths have at least a normal sex drive, then how do you explain anything over that resulting in more children - unless women are selecting for those kinds of men? Should regular men be more focused on sex in order to compete? Are average guys just not trying hard enough, are they oversensitive to risk, what should change there for your regular Joe to be better represented…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/22 11:21 PM
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Get out of here with your facts and nuance, you're not welcome only hysterical surface-level psychology is allowed here
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/22 10:52 PM
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not as likely to be raped So, you might want to sit down for this one... If we reclassify as rape those incidents where women sexually assault men through forced-to-penetrate, or if we also include prison rapes, or if we look at the reported statistics for statutory rape victims by gender, especially institutionalized ones, well... I'm not sure men even have the ability to class that as a privilege either. From multiple different angles. Sorry boss
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/09/22 10:47 PM
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I point out people being mean or outright assholes all the time, I don't shy away from that. Which is why when I say that's not what was happening here, I mean it. I was not painting you as anything but incorrectly stating the nature of socialization from a gender standpoint. Which you still are, but with an added dollop of persecution complex on top of it. Which means now you're being an asshole, whereas before you were just wrong. Still not particularly mean about it, though, except perhaps in…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/22 06:00 PM
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One thing I don't see brought up enough is that platonic female friends will absolutely torpedo your relationships as well. The same cattiness and backstabbing (friendly, I'm sure, done entirely out of concern for the safety and wellbeing of their friends) that women do to each other? Yeah, they do it to you and your romantic partners, too. As a friend. As a guy it's kind of hard to wrap your head around it if you've never experienced it before, so it's harder to spot and avoid those kinds of wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/22 05:40 PM
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> Dogs HATE two things....being hugged, and having their head patted. First, that depends on the dog. Some dogs will think a hug is asserting dominance, others will think it's more touchies = better touchies. Second, even for the ones who are skittish about that kind of handling, get them comfortable with it anyway. If they can't handle hugs or head pats, then vet trips will be a thousand times more difficult, and it also interferes with other socialization behaviors. Which leads to this Today's…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/22 05:31 PM
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I don't think this statement is strong enough. Many women have implied here that it's not just that they 'don't compliment' men; it's that they find average men ugly. And by implied, I mean outright stated. But when you try to pin them down on what average means, or attractive, you get all kinds of weasel-word answers. Hamster-wheel nonsense attempting to justify what is in the end outright bigotry.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/22 04:19 PM
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Invincible shamelessness. Congrats, I cannot defeat such an impenetrable will.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/22 03:24 PM
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From what I've seen of you so far, that's kettle calling pot. You want data driven conversations, then bring the data. And make sure you actually read it first. Otherwise shut the fuck up.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/22 03:15 PM
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Ironically, looking at some of the latest tech articles on the subject it may in fact be easier to create artificial eggs than artificial sperm. And artificial wombs are already being used for some livestock animals. We may end up not needing women anymore before we stop needing men.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/22 12:27 PM
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That's just not true in any sense. But just tackling it from the 'business' perspective, there were people out there who were not and never would be hamburger eaters on passover. If it were up to you, McDonalds - who "didn't want" non-hamburger eaters, the incels of the sandwich world - would have just thrown up their hands and accepted lower revenues during that period. But it wasn't up to you. So what really happened was 'non' customers changed McDonalds' behavior so much that it broke its own…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/22 12:21 PM
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Uh, wow, no. Men are differently social, not less social. Girls are more interested in spending extended periods of time with individual people, that's true. But boys are more interested in a) meeting and socializing with more people and b) social activities that involve doing things or shared goals, as opposed to socializing itself; and are therefore more likely to open up to strangers or make new relationships - unless circumstances interfere. And mind you, the differences are fairly subtle. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/22 12:07 PM
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If only that were true. I used to work bars; that sort of shit was a nightly thing. Women would compete to see who could say the most 'clever' and derogatory shit, and laugh at and dunk on any men who walked through the door even if those guys never even approached. It ain't 'her', it's the whole culture. Men who try are just jokes to a lot of women, even when they turn around and complain about being single.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/22 11:49 AM
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This again. My mother was an abusive alchoholic who couldn't hold a job longer than 6 months. My father had a career and went out of his way to meet the court's requirements, even moving states and *giving up* that career to get a job as a plumber so he could be more available. Guess who got custody. For all the people who keep repeating "It's so easy for men to get joint custody, the ones who don't are all lazy selfish bastards," fuck. you. The system is broken. Your lying and demonizing men fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/22 11:41 AM
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do you agree with and know about everyone with every ideology you believe in? This question is explicitly why I asked you to find one feminist author or public figure who hasn't demonstrated misandry. Because you can't. There's a difference between an ideology with bad actors, and an ideology that promotes bad actors. Liberalism has bad actors, fascism promotes bad actors. And the reason why is that the latter is a polemic. Do you know what that term means? It means an ideology that exists to co…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/22 06:22 PM
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*COUGH* bullshit *COUGH*
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/22 02:01 PM
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"Man" is a sex, not an ideology. Just as "feminist" is not a sex. Though feminists often seem to have trouble with that distinction, which is surprising if you take the party line at face value. Less surprising if you watch what feminists actually do, though. You don't know Erin Pizzey's name because she's very, very inconvenient for those who want to paint feminists as warriors for truth and justice. Not because "you don't know everyone." That's a cop out. But ok, here's another question for yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/22 12:09 PM
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Well, that tracks pretty well with "not knowing the history of your own group identity," then. I'd suggest you learn who she is and what happened to her, but then you might not be as enthusiastically feminist anymore. Can't have that, amirite?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/22 11:51 AM
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Yeah, I ran into that nugget about 5 years ago. I was so outraged, felt so betrayed, I was legitimately seeing red in the corners of my vision. I had to dig in because it was so fantastical I genuinely didn't believe it at first, and I'd seen and discussed a lot of other bias against men already. But this one caught me by surprise. It shouldn't have, but it did. It feels like the thing marches and protests should be happening over. To me, at least. 5 years later, and literally nothing has change…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/22 11:22 AM
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That was true in the U.S. too, until not too long ago. They changed the FBI definition, though, and now it's officially recognized that men can be raped. ...but only by other men. Or if the woman is wearing a strap on. Oh, and N.O.W. and a few other feminist - explicitly feminist, as in paid to be feminist - consultants were directly involved in influencing that text. But only after the lobbying to prevent changing the original failed. Which NOW also did, though they deny it all now. Just like t…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/22 11:09 AM
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There’s no reason to assume the woman is the reason the prior relationships ended No reason except statistical likelihood. Though I'll admit those are hotly debated, with an American study from 2010 showing roughly equal breakups, while a British study from 2015 showing that it leans moderately more heavily towards women causing a breakup. Divorces are fairly consistent though, in both nations, at around 70 to 80 percent being determined by the woman - though we have legal records for those, whi…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/22 09:51 AM
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Tell that to Erin Pizzey.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/22 09:40 AM
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More hated that rapists and murderers? Really? Point to the single mother who people actively encourage to prison rape. I'll wait.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/22 09:12 AM
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I think she honestly doesn't realize her tag is akin to wearing neonazi tattoos. Where she's from, being a 'radfem' is a reasonable thing and a point of pride. When they're that deep in the kool aid they don't even realize they're part of a hate group, they just think their distorted view of men justifies all kinds of excessive and cruel nonsense logically. Anything that disputes that worldview is clearly propoganda. She has no sense of the history of her own group identity. It's similar to watc…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/22 08:46 AM
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Pretty much none of what you're saying is true.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 11:19 PM
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My sentiments exactly. I don't think you realize how much harm statements like yours are doing.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 10:36 PM
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Yeah, you're fucking useless. Take your therapy and shove it up your ass. You're just piling onto the real problem, making it worse with that kind of talk.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 09:44 PM
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"Mitigate." What you don't realize is that, to men who are complaining of a situation imposed on us, that reads as "get them to stop complaining." For decades men's spaces have been dismantled with nothing to replace them. Fraternities, the Boy Scouts, even groups like the Elks are on life support - and under constant assault by feminists and women's interest groups. When's the last time you ever saw a men's only gym? They get sued out of existence. Meanwhile, lifestyle's is doing just fine, des…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 09:31 PM
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But when we advice men to open up more to their friends and family, or to seak therepy - we're told we are attacking masculinity. What's the SJW term for this? It's on the tip of my tongue. Hmm. Oh! Right. "Blaming the victim". You're essentially telling men that their isolation is their fault and that they have mental problems. Which, sure, if it were a few isolated cases I could see it. But this is a systemic problem affecting millions. Fuck your therapy. Sincerely. Besides, therapy is general…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 09:09 PM
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His face is pinched in and he's got a weedy body. There's all kinds of flaws to point to if you bother looking. Frankly, it kind of caught me by surprise seeing him as an adult actor; my first thought was 'he did not age well.' And I've met women who agree. You aren't, though, because you've decided he's 'hot' and are going to filter all of that out. And that's the thing: you'll do that for Radcliffe, because you've seen him in situations where he's the center of attention and you were 'primed' …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 08:48 PM
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If you're just asking about presenting, everything's good. Just don't falsely represent yourself when dating or forming a relationship; wear what you want but be up front. But if you're asking about gender dysphoria or people transitioning... same answer, but I'll go a step further - I gleefully watch what MtF are doing right now. It's totally destroying the feminist narratives about the nature of men and women. Everything from sporting events to campus safe spaces, the 'patriarchy' narrative ex…
/r/MensRights11/09/22 01:10 PM
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All sarcasm aside, it's both. Responsibility is both shared and individual. People arguing for one or the other are missing the point; events don't happen in isolation, the happen in the space between acting and acted upon. Both elements are 'responsible', and both need to be understood. The other argument for personal responsibility is 'that's all you can control, you can't change other people.' But then the ones who say that are the same ones who start organizations and write pamphlets, not ac…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 11:00 AM
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Ok, sure. But here's an even crazier thing: what we have going on now ain't working for anyone but a minority, women are the gatekeepers of this entire mess, and people who keep trying to turn the problem back on men are usually also the same people who are eager to penalize men for all the inevitable consequences of putting the burden of initiating onto them.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 10:26 AM
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Or - and hear me out, I know it's crazy but - they can take personal responsibility for recalibrating once they see the issue is affecting them and the people around them negatively. But that would mean women are responsible for their own behavior, and it shouldn't be men beholden to make things change, which I guess is too much of a stretch.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 08:47 AM
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I've known guys that looked pretty much exactly on par with that who were completely ignored by women. Yeah, I'd say Radcliffe is average. That's one version of average that's, well, pretty common. You only see him because he's done things you know about. Imagine that dude in that body who worked as a software engineer instead. You wouldn't look twice. This is why guys are going fucking nuts over the fact that women diss average so easily. Yes. Radcliffe IS average. Slightly below, even, because…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 06:58 AM
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Women want NSA sex more than men do, on the balance.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 08:18 PM
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'left' and 'right' are generally shorthand for concepts most people who identify with 'left' or 'right' barely comprehend, much less identify with. Liberalism is ironically more conservative than 'conservative' beliefs in some ways. Economic liberalism is not social liberalism. Respecting freedom of the individual regardless of gender does not mean you're a feminist, and is more likely to mean you aren't one. And so on. So don't get hung up on labels too much. The sidebar here defines 'left' as …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/09/22 12:57 PM
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It may depict it sometimes, but that's not what it's about. And frankly the large majority of the porn that exists is amateur couples having fun with each other, or streamers doing stuff they decide they want to put in a video, not anyone else; you have to actively seek out the 'degrading behavior' in order to watch it. Are you... are you doing that?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/22 07:33 AM
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Works. It's a debate sub, and I'm of the opinion that such debates put people to sleep if they're too clean, so some monkey shit being thrown around is good for the immune system for all parties. Don't worry about it. I can still have a beer with the folks that called me a donkey at the end of the day.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/22 07:28 AM
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Got my wires crossed - in a different thread I was discussing Dworkin and Bell Hooks. My apologies. Here I was describing classical liberals, which Jefferson most certainly was. That being said, the principles of liberalism directly lead to a free and open society for all. As witnessed by history. The principles of feminism, however, lead to favoritism and supremacist thought, also as witnessed by history. And on that you are not going to handwave away.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/22 07:23 AM
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Feminism is a hate group, and no, Jefferson wasn't one. He was a liberalist, though. A prejudiced one, and flawed in his personal character, and one called out by other liberalists for that very reason, including one of my ancestors Daniel Webster - but if you look at his other writings you can see how he was leaning away from class-based thinking; which laid the foundations for equal rights down the road. His name is in the history books for good reasons, regardless of whatever else he did. I k…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 05:29 PM
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Woosh. The fact that you completely missed the reference I made shows you have no damned clue. Just stop. Instead of digging a deeper hole for yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 03:41 PM
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Tamil Tigers, Andrea Dworkin et.al., Jenny Mcdermott and co., and so on. Honestly there are so many examples both historically and in current events it's hard to pick one.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 03:37 PM
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Pretty sure it didn't, any more than having a friendly blond girl from some parts of Virginia sit on your face and read from George Lincoln Rockwell would teach you anything about racist atrocities of various white power groups. Except for their version of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 03:27 PM
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Those names were feminist authors. Rather famous ones, since they were leading lights in radical feminism and intersectional feminism, respectively. I'm not surprised you don't recognize them, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 03:23 PM
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Naw boss. I'm saying you don't understand it. And if you are a feminist, are supporting feminism, are arguing in their favor, you are every. bit. as. bad. as some klanner fuckwit arguing in favor of eugenics. I mean that. Feminism really, really, truly is a hate group, and if you think otherwise you have no idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 03:19 PM
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I've read both Bell hooks and Andrea Dworkin, and I can recite at least 2/3rds of the demands from Seneca falls off the top of my head (not all of them but damn there were a lot, don't judge.) I know who Elizabeth Cady Stanton is; I also know the controversy that Erin Pizzey dealt with, I know how many times and in how many states NOW blocked equal custody laws and laws regarding gender-neutral definitions of rape and sexual assault; and a hell of a lot more. And for people keeping notes I typed…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 03:15 PM
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Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 03:10 PM
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I'd class myself as one of the more angry dudes here at least where it comes to feminism, and I guarantee you I know far more about the history of feminism and its behavior through the past century than you ever will. It's a legitimate hate group, has a long history of being a hate group, has inspired numerous actual terrorists and continues to do so to a degree far greater than 'incels' ever have, and it genuinely surprises me every time I think about how people don't treat it as the hate group…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 03:00 PM
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If by 'a spectrum' you mean a hate group that ranges from 'lol men are dumb' to 'kill them all except for 10% and lock the remainder in small rooms', then I agree. It is a spectrum.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 02:55 PM
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No, that's the central premise of classical liberalism. Or more specifically, egalitarianism; liberalism is more about the fundamental nature of rights, and includes the core concepts that define capitalism and socialism, etc. It includes concepts of egalitarianism, but has a broader scope. Anyway. Look up thinkers and the writing of people like John Locke, Adam Smith, Thomas Jefferson, etcetera. Feminism is a polemic that states women don't have what liberalism says they should have and the rea…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 02:52 PM
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"falsely believing" Only thing I disagree with on you here. It is objectively the worst factor for kids to live in a single-parent household; it's a stronger correlation to things like suicide, poor performance, etc. than even economic status is. If you can at least tolerate living with your baby momma/daddy, fucking well do so if you have kids. Make it work.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 07:19 AM
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Agreed. Mods, if you're going to be as vigilant about this type of thread as you are regarding QVWs, then somebody modhammer this one.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 07:14 AM
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What the nice bot doesn't tell you directly is that amp links send you to a walled garden where Google copies content without needing permission or input from the original authors. Seriously, watch for that shit and avoid it. Please. Never use AMP links.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 07:06 AM
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By that logic, any woman that touched a romance novel - or watched a sappy rom com and got off on fantasizing about the protagonist - is tainted goods and to be shunned. Huh. Ya know, come to think of it, you might be on to something.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 06:55 AM
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Usually, I don't target the grammar of a dumb opinion if I can instead discuss the dumb opinion itself. But when your phrasing is so poor I'm not entirely sure if you left words out, or just used the wrong verb tense, or other details that could change what you actually mean, that's the time to pull out the 'type better noob' card.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 11:13 PM
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On top of everything else, verb tenses also seem to be difficult for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 10:27 PM
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If "women are just socialized to take more responsibility for our own emotions, and apparently everyone else's", then, well, I guess all I can say to that is... you do an utterly shit job at both.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 09:16 PM
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Mods, OP is making an assertive claim, and framing it as a question. This should be a CMV, not a QFM
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 09:14 PM
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proximity bias, just world bias, take your pick it looks worse online because this is where we can see the actual stats on a wide scale and discuss
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/22 11:46 PM
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Implying those over 25 aren't even worse Good one
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/22 11:45 PM
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Stuff like this aggravates the hell out of me these days. When I was younger, I figured, "sure, stuff like this is my fault for missing the signals or being too nonsexual or whatever. Guys are supposed to be escalating and reading the room and stuff." Now, after a long and moderately rich relationship life, my life experience speaks to this: "No. It's fucking well their fault for not following through and making their interest known. Women who blame you for being too passive, innocent, or whatev…
/r/seduction04/09/22 10:36 AM
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Yes technically this was true the other way around, but the vast vast vast majority of married men can overpower their wives. This is not true the other way around. So, I'll drop a small personal fact: in my 20's I dabbled in BDSM. I dated several women in a row who were into that, so I figured I'd try out the whole 'dom' thing. Even with the girl requesting and cooperating with "rape" type scenes, that shit is damn near impossible to pull off. I was twice the size of some of those girls, and if…
/r/MensRights02/09/22 03:45 AM
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to rape your wife Also to rape your husband under the same laws. But as a bonus, husband-raping is still not a crime. Because raping men at all is not a crime in an of itself; at most it counts as sexual assault. So what's your point? ... still legal for an adult to marry a minor and then have sex with them Very different topic. But since you're pointing this out, I'll return the favor by pointing out that some 80% or so of statutory rape in institutions such as schools, juvenile prisons, and mo…
/r/MensRights02/09/22 02:23 AM
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Iroquois were a matriarchy And also slaveholders Despite women calling the shots, or perhaps because of it, Iroquois were warmongering assholes to their neighbors To be clear, around 1800 a prophet called Handsome Lake came around that basically pulled a Jesus; love your neighbors, etc., and that's the impression most sources give of Iroquois today. But before then they were pretty airtight assholes. But we did get a lot of ideas about democracy from them. As for the Iroquois abandoning settleme…
/r/MensRights01/09/22 01:46 PM
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Absolutely none of that has anything to do with the Iroquois. They were about as different from Great Plains tribes as Britain is from Romania. And also, the 'praying towns' were targeting smaller tribes like the Natik; the Iroquois, I remind you, were a nation. At one point they had roads, schools, even gunsmiths and industry. What they didn't have were praying towns in their territory, at least while it still was their territory. And for that matter, there were other eastern tribes such as the…
/r/MensRights01/09/22 12:41 PM
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Dude, it shouldn't need to be said but this is not a one-time pass/fail effort and never was. It's being more stubborn than they are. It's digging in your heels and saying no, repeatedly, until they get the message. It's gritting your teeth and preparing for the long haul. Sorry for the Star Wars reference, but Yoda was right: "there is no try." It's not 'trying' if you set in stone that things will change and until those posters come down or are replaced with ones that don't demonize men, you a…
/r/MensRights01/09/22 10:34 AM
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Do you live in the U.S.? Do you live on the east coast? Do you want to really mindfuck the next feminist to make this argument with you? Let them know that around 500 years ago, where you live was inhabited mostly by a matriarchal slaveholding society - the Iroquois Nations, to be clear - who treated most men, including the tribal chiefs, essentially as property and trading cards between the women in their families. It was 'sort of' egalitarian, in that community decisions determined policy, and…
/r/MensRights01/09/22 10:22 AM
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Make noise about it. Be the change. Seriously. Write complaints, talk to the PTA, start a petition. It works. And it can even benefit you personally, in experience and making connections with people, learning how to deal with pushback and the system, etcetera. And you'll be making life that much better for the boys around you.
/r/MensRights01/09/22 10:10 AM
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Indeed. All we can do is hope the message reaches people who are capable of understanding and articulating it in a way that gets through to the rest. I certainly failed to do so here.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/22 12:43 AM
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That's an example drawn from primitivism. I.e. a conceptual understanding of how surviving in primitive circumstances might work. And for as far as it goes, it applies. It would be a decent comparison, except... this is a modern problem. And the current environment is more like trying to 100% sanitize your food to avoid "germs", and instead of staying healthy you and your culture find yourself beset with allergies, obesity despite intense efforts to overcome it, digestive issues, cancer, and lea…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/22 12:16 AM
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Hate to be that guy, but she's pretty close to the center of my strike zone. I'd rate her an 8, minimum. Probably a 9 or even 9.9 if she dressed up. Scorn me if you must.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/22 09:07 PM
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It's clear that you're the one not getting it. The disconnect in communication is on your end, not his.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/22 08:10 PM
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Nah historically when you have a large segment of the male population checked out or sexually frustrated you get unrest and revolution or terminal societal decline until things are addressed one way or the other. See Mena, rape of the Sabine women, other areas. Society goes violent or the birthrate collapses Is this what you read? Because both the author of it and a third party (me) are saying it isn't 'hopeful'. Rather the opposite, in fact. I truly don't get why some people see things like thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/22 08:01 PM
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"Expecting" doesn't equal "hoping for." You're both right, in a way. Him for pointing out that there will be ugly consequences for this, and you for pointing out those consequences probably won't end in war (directly) and regarding the time scale. It's something that occurs over the course of generations, decades not years, and it's true that the men who are on the wrong end of the stick right now probably won't see any correction of that. And whatever those decades look like will be the new nor…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/22 07:41 PM
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Just out of curiosity, what's your position on Georgism?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/08/22 06:24 AM
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Empathy for a stranger? Even better, then.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/22 01:26 AM
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From what I've gathered so far, in this post and other various posts and comments, it seems like you're here trying to figure stuff like this out because you genuinely care about the situation your brother is dealing with, and how it contrasts with your own. That seems to be how you became aware of the problems men are dealing with in the first place. That's kind of fantastic, if so. Good on you. May many more sisters follow in your footsteps.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/22 01:15 AM
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"Momlife Comics" forgot the slide of the "dad" getting carted off by police in handcuffs for taking their kid shopping or to the park, while 'mom' can even - gasp! - talk to other people's children without raising alarms. Or the slide where after facing a judge, the 'dad' slide is just writing checks while the 'mom' slide has actual children nearby while receiving a check. Or the slide where... you know what fuck this bitch. Can we send this artist a petition or something saying 'yo, this ain't …
/r/AntiFeminists27/08/22 07:35 PM
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It doesn't matter if all women hate approaches. It just matters if enough women do. I'd say the tipping point is somewhere around 20%. If one in 5 women is going to cause problems from being "stared at", approached, or existing in the same world as men, then it's effectively the same as if all of them do.
/r/seduction26/08/22 08:57 PM
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Maybe, but men also have their hormonal systems practically rewritten when they spend time near a newborn or expecting mother. They can even experience post partum depression.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 06:39 PM
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I didn't even bother with this series. The last season of GoT left such a bad taste in my mouth that I'm just totally done. It doesn't help that every other fantasy series out there is either driven by feminism or has strong feminist overtones lately; I can't think of a single major show that doesn't. TV has gotten practically unwatchable for me. If anyone has series they know of that aren't spending half the show time telling me how horrible I am for being male, I'm all ears.
/r/MensRights25/08/22 07:44 AM
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Well, uh... no. This is not the right place, and you're probably gonna get mod hammered within a few hours. This sub is where people argue with each other about how correct the guys over at r/TheRedPill are, which is where you should be asking this question. Be warned however that joining and commenting or posting there will probably get half of reddit to censor you, including some truly surprising subs, because free speech is dead (cough) I mean that by posting questions there it indicates that…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/22 04:51 AM
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Agreed. This post is just (ugh) is old-school hypocritical kvetching. Lately we've been seeing 'nothing to see here' style gaslighting instead, which is infinitely more infuriating. And since the original hypocrisy is already enough to inspire bad thoughts, that shit is beyond the pale. It's almost a relief to see a return of the older bullshit. Almost.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/22 03:21 AM
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One surprising one: r/neoliberal is astonishingly feminist. Like, wow. Completely caught me off guard. You'd expect them to be at least agnostic about it, or so I though. But no, men's rights advocates are incels, South Korea voting against feminists means the entire country is misogynist, etcetera. It's like, guys. You're neoliberals. Free markets, open borders, YIMBY, etcetera. What. The. Fuck?!? But yep. Got banned there. For anyone trying to collect the set, they'll ban you too if you clap b…
/r/MensRights21/08/22 06:40 PM
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Also I do not buy into the idea of "wife goggles" Well that's where you go wrong then. Because it's really a thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/22 02:42 PM
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Troll post. Though granted, it's difficult to tell the difference in this sub sometimes, but this one's pretty blatantly troll. Don't even try folks. OP has no purpose in life by posting this other than finding suckers to fuck with.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/22 04:53 AM
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Folks keep misinterpreting the drinks thing, sometimes it seems intentionally. It ain't about buying one girl one drink. It's about buying a drink, or any other 'pay per instance' attempt where you have low odds of success per instance. Lady asked, 'whatever happened to buying a girl a drink,' well that's what happened. Because it's never just one girl. Unless you're somehow always successful with women, which even superstars ain't.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/22 12:42 AM
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Upper management at Amazon right there, interacts with Bezos on the daily. He knows what the women around think about him.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/22 07:53 PM
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Sure I can. Feminists have been ignoring issues that affect men for generations now. They've led by example. It's entirely possible to ignore 'real issues' like (ohno gasp!) men using women's bathrooms, whatever they're dressed like; or (omgnooes!) men dominating women in sports despite decades of "whatever men can do, women can do better" rallies. I can ignore the shit out of issues like that, but I choose not to because it's hilarious. More power to the trans women, I say. They're exposing a h…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/22 05:24 PM
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Paternity by estoppel requires that the father signs a legally binding document No. No it does not. That's voluntarily assumed paternity, which is a completely different animal. The state does not need a signature to establish paternity. You're giving OSCE way too much credit for playing nice. It doesn't. Not with parentage by estoppel, and not with any other way it treats men in this situation. In Texas, for example, you're liable for all support the state required from you before you prove you…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/22 02:41 PM
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'Balanced purple pill approach' say what now? You have to be joking right?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/22 02:10 PM
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The legal term is parentage by estoppel, and refers to how long before a man is assumed paternity while being involved with the mother/child if unmarried. Given how few people are getting married these days, that's more and more the common state of affairs. Of course it's possible to legally challenge paternity after it's been established, but that's a long and cumbersome process, and doesn't always work anyway. Parallel to that is that in marriages paternity is assumed, no estoppel rule usually…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/22 02:03 PM
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Why are you assuming I think women are "looking for men so they can buy them drinks"? I'm assuming they're not, or if they are they shouldn't be. You're the one who suggested that a man who doesn't go out and buy drinks for women is some kind of failure. Which isn't reality, and I doubt is truthful from you. I think it's just casual misandry you haven't analyzed too deeply before repeating here.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/22 02:01 PM
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Frankly, unless you've bought men as many drinks as you've had bought, I really don't care what your thoughts are on the matter. But if you have, I'd be pleasantly surprised and want to hear more. Have you?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/22 01:23 PM
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But it's never just one, is it? And for that matter, the women out there who don't need or want you to buy them drinks just to have an opportunity to flirt are much higher quality, so 'buying her a drink' is essentially self-selecting only basic bitches. And maybe alcoholics.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/22 12:44 PM
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Wrong. The time you need the paternity test is before the question of cheating comes up. If you're getting one because you already suspect cheating, it's already too late. I mean, that's just a general common sense rule, but there's also a specific legal reason too. Under current U.S. law, depending on the state, you only have about 2 months or so to establish paternity before it's on you inescapably. So it really doesn't matter if you suspect she cheated 3 months in. By then it's just too late …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/22 11:45 AM
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Anyone else find about a bunch of single men spending their time worrying about women they haven’t met yet cheating and dead bedrooming them just plain odd? Not in the least. If anything, it's a hell of a lot smarter for them to worry about it than, say, a bunch of guys in a parents' group to worry about it. Horse is already out of the barn in the latter case. I mean, why would you even think that? You're not coming across as very logical in your reasoning.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/22 11:23 AM
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A paternity test is a hard accusation of cheating. Wow you're off base here. A paternity test isn't an accusation of anything. Him saying "You cheated!" and believing it even despite a paternity test, that's an accusation. A test is due diligence. It's laying the groundwork for trust. It is the opposite of an accusation; it's proof that you can always point to in case of an accusation. Hell, a mother shouldn't just give permission for a paternity test; they should be getting it themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/22 11:17 AM
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Him asking me for a paternity test would be insulting. Yeah and? I'm sure there's a lot of things you do that would be considered insulting. Say you have a separate bank account, for example. Why a separate bank account? You don't trust him? That's insulting. Or you could be a rational adult and realize that "trust but verify" isn't just a fortune cookie printout, but a rule to live your (and his) life by.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/22 11:15 AM
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seem like it’s the worse possible thing that can happen to a guy and that no man would deal with it. "seem like"? It is that. Or as close as makes no nevermind. Sure, it's not physical torture. It's not prison, or ending up in a war. But barring physical agony, that kind of betrayal - and having years of your life invested into a lie - is pretty high up there on the list if "shit men are willing to literally kill themselves over." It is not ok to cheat and have a man raise a child not his own. T…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/22 11:09 AM
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Man who doesn't ask women out = wrong. Also loser, coward, etc. Man who does ask women out = wrong. Also creepy, stalker, etc. And those words have real consequences. It's not just empty slurs. And then there's those who act like it's possible to thread that needle by 'doing it right'. It's not. It's only possible to be accidentally fortunate. And that is not good enough. That's a genuine shitshow. Men have good reasons to be demanding a bit more compassion in all of this. So if you're tired of …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/22 11:01 AM
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Enough do to matter. The biggest issue in all of this is an empathy gap with women regarding relationships towards men. And no matter how much people try to uno-reverse that, blame men's behavior or say it's men who are actually lacking empathy because x,y,z, it may win you internet points but at the end of the day that empathy gap still exists and is murdering the shit out of dating and relationships. And generally degrading the QOL for everyone, like pissing in a pool repeatedly. Sure, the 'me…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/22 03:10 AM
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Drinks are pretty damned expensive these days.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/22 03:03 AM
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We don't though. I mean, usually. There's always gonna be weirdos who gotta be different, but usually that is not something men make a point of. That's some projected belief by some people. Women, usually, who for whatever reason do seem to be stuck on this. Most dudes are just find with committing to a girl they also don't wait to fuck. The key ingredient is setting expectations right away. It's a conversation. "Want to be my boyfriend?" "Ok." "Want to fuck?" "Cool." The order you place those q…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/22 01:25 PM
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and find the highest quality man then marry him So close, but no. It's more along the lines of be the highest quality of woman worth wifing you're capable of. Then find a man that's good enough, gets the motor running at least - doesn't need to be a Lamborghini, just has be able to move you when you need him to. Communicative and responsive is necessary too, look for that. But 'highest quality man' is not a real thing. And perfection is the enemy of success, anyway. Be aware that man is not look…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/22 01:10 PM
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Well, the first step is to admit you have a problem. But it's only the first step. So yeah, honesty would be good, but you're right - it wouldn't fix the absolute nuclear wasteland that is modern dating. You'd have to then change the problematic behavior, once everything were out in the open and the risk/reward analysis made clear. Then the 'hateful rhetoric' would probably die off some. Worth trying, I'd say, if that's really your goal and you don't just want an easy way to close your eyes and …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/22 12:03 AM
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Shaking my damned head. No. It's exactly not like that. Frankly, that's an area where men are fucked over coming and going; prejudice against men means it's more difficult to defend against false allegations and more difficult by far to prove sexual assault or rape victimization. I mean, personally I feel there are ways we should defend women's rights, but you picked an especially poor example. No. What we need is more respect for due process and equal treatment under the law. Which, sad as it m…
/r/MensRights15/08/22 10:24 PM
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I think it's an outright lie, is what. Absolutely shameless. Like someone shitting on your porch and denying it while they're doing it. The feeling of revulsion I feel for the disgusting piece of trash that made this is something I can't entirely put into words.
/r/MensRights15/08/22 09:49 PM
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Ok. I think we've both made our cases. This is probably not something we'll ever 100% agree with, but it's a fair stopping point. I heard you, you heard me.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/22 09:52 AM
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Bullshit. By this point I'm half convinced you're clinging to the idea that phrase is safe to use because 'men bad' is what you really mean by it. You wouldn't be alone. The most misandrist dipshits out there are other men. Now that I might have even called toxic masculinity, if I were doing peyote and relaxing in a desert sauna. Before I realized the horrifying mistake I made, as that term was subsequently used as a rallying cry for all the bigoted, misandrist shits in the world to gleefully la…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/22 09:47 AM
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What I'm saying is this: if you lay exclusive blame on those men, even to the extent of 'I let them be bad to me,' it's a warning sign. If, after a description of 17 relationships, absolutely none of them involved you fucking up in some way that wasn't their fault or 'it just didn't work out', that's moving from warning sign straight into red flag territory. From a man's perspective, who has to judge whether or not you'll make him the next one on the list of 'his fault it didn't work out', it's …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/22 09:19 AM
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Your fault? No. It's Vox's fault. And the Washinton Post's fault. And fuck, even the United Nation's fault. Because those fuckers used it in the sense of 'men bad'. You? You're blameless. I'm just crossing my fingers and hoping you don't enable that epithet by insisting on it being a perfectly fine word, nothing on fire here, no sir. Completely harmless. Oh, all that smoke in the background? It's fine, don't worry about it! Then I would actually think it's your fault, at least a tiny bit. And be…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/22 08:58 AM
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The fuck? My mother was an alchoholic who literally threw me through a door. I have a scar on my hand, one on my eyebrow and a third on my leg that can attest to my intimate familiarity with abuse. But you? You weren't a fucking child. I’ve just said I became nagging and Toxic - is that not owning my shit? You blamed them while doing so. They were disrespectful, therefore you became nagging and toxic. So... not really, no. Maybe things fell out that way. But too much of this story doesn't really…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/22 08:45 AM
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For me, you're raising red flags all over the place. You 'let them' walk all over you? They abused you, and you never instigated any of it? Every single 'explanation' is trying to convince me your shit didn't stink through any of that, except insofar as you 'allowed' bad things to happen to you. Which is just saying your shit didn't stink with extra steps. I sincerely fear for your current man. If you can't own anything, if all your past LTRS were Bad Men with Capital Letters but you've suddenly…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/22 08:05 AM
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Sure. You're your own beings. But that's a pretty fucking broad category, ya know. Some of 'your own beings' are untrustworthy as hell. Past behavior indicates future performance, a truism nobody can escape. It's why resumes exist, why courts look at a history of infractions, and why no man with an ounce of self-preservation trusts that a woman who's been unable to settle down is going to magically decide his dick is the one worth keeping. Well, some men will. But we call them 'situationally una…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/22 07:55 AM
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Gonna be honest with you: any man looking in from the outside who can do basic addition, subtraction and multiplication, and also isn't a massive narcissist is going to identify with those 18, not with the 1 at the end. And I genuinely believe you could have made it work just fine with at least one of those other guys. That you didn't implies you simply thought of that relationship as disposable, which is not an attractive trait. I could see it if they broke up with you, and it wasn't really you…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/22 07:35 AM
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28 is not 3 relationships with an average of 4 years per. It is, in fact, most likely monkey-branching. Even so, if you fucking stop monkey branching and settle the fuck down, you're probably in the clear. If you're capable of it. So, as you're probably already aware, I must retract my earlier assessment. If you want to not be an untrustworthy person whose value in a long term relationship is in serious question, I suggest your quit your shit. If I were aware of that many partners in your past, …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/22 07:06 AM
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Uh, no. I vehemently disagree with your assessment. I'm well aware of the original intent of the term. I even know the phrase "mythopoetic men's group" and that feminists originally had nothing to do with the term. It didn't stay that way for long, though, and it was truly a clusterfuckery of word salad just begging to be misused from the gate. That steam bath it was invented in did no favors to men the English-speaking world over. Your defense of the fucking stupid two-word combination regardle…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/22 06:55 AM
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3 relationships... average of 4 years per.... Why in the hell do you think any of this applies to you? Fuck off. If this is genuinely the case, and someone calls you a slut, you can legitimately ignore the shit out of them. Keep doing you.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/22 06:48 AM
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Uh, duh. No shit. It may come as a shock to modern sensibilities, but loyalty in the face of difficulty is in fact a necessary virtue. Hell, it's a survival trait. Societies that don't have it in spades, tend to die en masse. All of which is to say that breakups should have one hell of a lot more weight behind them than they do currently. Frankly, in my opinion relationships are a fucking joke these days. But, that said, it's not cut-and-dry. There is, as I said above multiple times, some leeway…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/22 06:06 AM
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Exactly.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/22 05:54 AM
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> Compatibility and self discovery about what you really want are half-truths at best. "The grass isn't greener in your neighbor's yard. The grass is greener where you water it." Frankly, 'self discovery' is used as a massive cop-out for some truly self-defeating bullshit sometimes. Our ancestors lived in groups of less than 150 for 99% of the existence of anything remotely looking like homo sapiens sapiens. Hell, even RIGHT NOW your brain cannot handle the 'theory of mind' necessary to identify…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/22 05:41 AM
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Sure. At the moment. But it's not biology, it's culture. Which, because culture is only a monolith from one angle and a pile of sand from any other angle, means it hits people very differently and produces the vast ocean of different relationships to sexuality that we witness today, with a few unifying features. Biology alone would never in a million years provide a rational explanation for that. So it's far from a guarantee that 'men have a higher sex drive' will always be true... or even be tr…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/22 05:25 AM
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Sigh. Looks like you're feeding all the 'cuz men are dumb' comments here, but I'll try anyway. There is no contradiction between wanting sex on the one hand, and not wanting a woman that sleeps around on the other. Nor is it a particularly difficult needle to thread. Simple rules apply: 1)meet a guy roughly within your strike zone without making it an impossible target; 2)Get a commitment if you want a commitment, or agree to a fuck buddy arrangement if you prefer that; 3) don't fuck around, pla…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/22 05:07 AM
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I mean, looking through the replies it seems like even the men who don't want to be BB don't get it. But for me, it's pretty simple. And I didn't even really have this problem, never being terribly wealthy in the first place, and also having been the side piece for women who wanted to fuck around until I got tired of it. Somehow, I seem to get the BB aversion better than they can articulate it. Probably because of watching the disaster that was my dad's second divorce. Er, hypothetically. It's a…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/22 04:42 AM
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Because scarcity drives value, value drives desire, and we live in a society that's generally bigoted and biased against men - meaning that women are presented with the double jeopardy of being threatened by the untouchables while also having seemingly endless numbers of 'not like the other guys' to try to pick from. Which creates a truly perverse image of scarcity (women's approval) and overabundance (men who want adult relationships) at the same time. Surprise! ...now you have incels. Because …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/22 03:22 AM
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That's pretty much the kind of hate speech in line with everything else feminism. Every word you say is proving how much you are off the deep end. Classing half of humanity as an enemy, a predator, incapable of rational behavior, unwanted, a burden, a threat. Fuck. You. Sincerely. You're a bigot.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/22 03:09 AM
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Watch a few Kevin Samuels vids. If you're nothing like the women on his show, then you'll do fine. Don't even stress over it. If you do identify with any of those women, though, then, uh... don't. Just don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/22 03:04 AM
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Gen X, actually. I have more shit talk to say about boomers than you ever will. Don't even try to keep up. I am rage.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/22 03:00 AM
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Lies. Worse, lies that genuinely harm. Not white lies, or go-with-the-flow lies, but lies that are driven by bigotry, hatred and everything that's caused the worst humanitarian incidents throughout history. The kind of lies that create incurable societal ills; that painted natives as savages, that Romans used to justify salting the earth, that Russia is saying about Ukraine, that indeed caused several centuries of injustices to women in multiple cultures. Seriously, reconsider this shit. Don't f…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/22 02:58 AM
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Oh, and as far as being a gay person raised religiously, you'd think you'd be less intolerant. The fact that you've demonstrated such an outrageously misandrist and hateful outlook despite that means you didn't 'break the cycle', you fucking well leaned in. Shame on you. No, really. Not hyperbole. You should genuinely feel loathing for yourself and your hateful rhetoric.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/22 02:47 AM
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I’m saying that 2% of reports are deemed false by legal definition First, you aren't even getting your own bad information right. That number only applies to rape, not to assault. False assault charges haven't even been attempted to have been measured; only rape accusations. Second, no. No. it's at least somewhere between 2% to 8%, going by the meta-analysis I'm certain you're getting your numbers from, with this study pinning it at around 6%. Though when DNA testing was introduced as evidence, …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/22 02:40 AM
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Hey “bucko,” I’ll care about your 1 in 100 false reports when the number of guilty men who suffer zero consequences dwindles below that, which it never shall So you're one of the people who are willing to jail 10 innocents to catch one guilty. I'm sure you don't care, but the founders of the U.S. had words to say about that. Words like, 'no'. And 'innocent until proven guilty, because the alternative is the sometimes unimaginable institutionalized cruelty we're making an entire fucking country t…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/22 02:19 AM
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1 blah blah uh huh. From 12 hours ago I have a truly endless array of counterexamples to your bullet point 1, bucko. I mean, the fact that I can summon one that's only a few hours old should be telling. But, I mean. Tens of thousands. Headlines, youtube videos, entire advocacy groups who deal with this shit professionally because it's that much of a GODDAMNED REALITY. There's a whole sub-industry of lawyers popping up that are advertising their services for this shit. I mean, you can call bullsh…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/22 01:42 AM
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I'm Gen X. That 3rd and 4th wave feminism you may have heard about? That was us. Bits and bobs of boomers on one end and millenials on the other; but mostly us X anti-everything generation. My generation's women were the ones that went completely off the deep end with feminism. They are, by and large, fucked in the head. I say that with deep unwillingness and a lifetime of painful experiences backing it. Put differently, I've seen some of the worst that culture and belief can do to human sexuali…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/22 01:08 AM
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Dude, my dating life far surpasses yours in terms of difficulty. Probably. But I'm a white, 6'ft even, loquacious dude who can legitimately claim to have done things like drive a tank, sail the Gulf of Mexico, play second guitar and vocalist in paying gigs, personally know half the venue owners in Florida and several high-profile band members on a first name basis, etcetera and so forth and other ultimately meaningless bragging that nevertheless impresses people enough to ignore my massive downs…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/22 12:57 AM
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Nope. Everything about this reply is pure bull. Not even going to try. This kind of bigotry and misandry can't be argued with, only endured and avoided if possible IRL.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/22 12:26 AM
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You can think that. But you'd be working off of bad science, bad history, and bad assumptions if you do.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/22 12:25 AM
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In absolute terms? Sure. In relative terms, though? Not even close. We exist in what can be fondly referred to as a 'seller's market.' Where women hold almost all the cards. Very, very few men have the ability to negotiate favorable terms. And I say that as one of the men women actively pursued. I still have eyes, and could see what was happening to the men around me. Trying to deny that just makes you a damned liar who lies and is lying.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/22 12:21 AM
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:)
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/22 11:55 PM
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Sure, but none of those matter, because women are the gatekeepers. Men are not wasting women's time the same way women waste men's time, because women have agency that men don't. If the biological clock is ticking too loudly, then women have the option to shit or get off the pot. Try to tell a dude who hasn't been able to score a date in over a year the same thing. I dare you. It's just not the same calculus at all. That's the difference that agency gives you. Sure, men get more leverage as they…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/22 11:53 PM
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I know exactly what testosterone is, thank you - and women have a completely different hormonal system, in which is demonstrated by how they have a mechanism to sublimate testosterone into estrogen that men just don't - and that women's sexuality is affected by estrogen levels in ways that just don't work in men. Trying to do a 1-to-1 comparison between sex drives simply based on the presence or absence of testosterone is bad science and bad reasoning. Oh, and I also listed historical examples a…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/22 11:45 PM
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Read just about anything discussing women during the late middle ages for the first item. I mean, really - anything! at! all! Even the original version of Robin Hood, the 1600s edition, touches on it. To medieval sensibilities, the idea that women didn't want sex more than men did was unthinkable. Matter of fact, the belief that women were primarily driven by their desire for sex and children, to a far greater degree than men, extended well into the Enlightenment era. One could say our current b…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/22 11:39 PM
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Ooooorrrrr women could have a general disposition towards wanting sex that's much higher than you personally believe. I don't mean this as an insult, it's just that what you're saying seems improbable.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/22 10:32 PM
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Wrong. It's not the men being sub-par that's causing this. Not to the degree you're implying. Women are dropping out because of the spaghetti problem. Not because men are bad. If anything, modern men beat out our historical counterparts in every metric imaginable. We're taller, have more relative wealth, have higher IQ's, are even generally more emotionally educated. But women don't want 'good' men. They want men that are 'better than the next guy'. Or worse, they actively pursue the worst men. …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/22 10:28 PM
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Past 30, men start dropping like flies. As in dead, not just 'uninterested'. In the U.S., putatively one of the most advanced civilizations on the planet, women live 5 years longer than men. Consider that lifespan gap doesn't start at 70; it starts late 20's, and is around a 4 year difference by 40. Women have something like a 3% margin on men for most of your lives, population-wise, and it only goes up, not down. Which is a bigger deal than that number might indicate. Something to consider. So.…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/22 10:16 PM
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I pointed out the issue with this a while ago, got a gold star for it, and of course the point was promptly lost in the waterfall of bullshit present here. So here we go again: The problem isn't that women want a good man. The problem is that women want a man that's better than the men next to him. And while having a relative system of value is entirely workable in small doses, such as a tribe where a woman has 4 men to choose from... that situation, choosing the guy 'better than' is a great ide…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/22 09:53 PM
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Funny, because over-analyzing is basically what I'm accusing you of, indirectly. What men in here want is not for you to be the town bicycle. We don't think you 'owe us sex.' We do think you are shooting yourself in the cunt and causing collateral damage in the process, though. We want women to set reasonable preferences, stop aiming for the sky, stop getting locked up in analysis paralysis, and take your shot. But not to be such a fucking idiot about it. See, the longer you mess around and the …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/22 09:23 PM
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I am a man. I have had several girlfriends who wanted sex more than I did. I know men who are ace. (asexual). I know men who aren't ace, but have lower sex drives. I also know women who, while *I* didn't have sex with them, have extraordinarily high sex drives with other men. Historically, I know of entire historical eras where everyone believed, with a fair amount of evidence to prove it, that women had higher sex drives. I know of entire civilizations that died out because the men just weren't…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/22 09:08 PM
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I can think of lots of examples, but that's a diversion. So could you if you tried. You clearly haven't tried. You can use 'toxic gender norms' as a phrase without thinking it applies to women. I give you permission. You'd be wrong, but in a less harmful way than if you just used 'toxic masculinity'. The point is to not be a bigoted piece of shit. If you don't care enough about that to bother trying to avoid dogwhistles that imply you're a bigoted piece of shit, then I can't help you.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/22 08:55 PM
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Eh. I think what most of the guys here (and you) are saying about women's sex drives is a big steaming pile of dogshit. So....
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/22 08:52 PM
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I personally don't ascribe to that theory. I think both men and women can be 'responsive' or 'spontaneous' in sexual desire in equal measure, but are exposed to triggers in different degrees. Basically, cultural valuation and scarcity of opportunity are the primary factors. Spontaneous desire can only appear so in something of a vaccuum of stimuli and opportunity; otherwise, it can only be counted as 'responsive', even if the source is the same. And vice versa. There are differences between men …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/22 08:46 PM
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If you have to keep the word 'toxic', then at most call it 'toxic gender norms.' If you don't need toxic, but need to keep 'masculinity', then 'masculine stereotypes.' From there, you can use 'gender stereotypes', etcetera. I made a huge list of alternatives to that hateful phrase once upon a comment, English is a tremendously flexible language, but -- like most other things -- too many options is equivalent to no options at all. So those three are good enough. But to be clear, 'toxic masculinit…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/22 08:39 PM
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Poppy, from what I understand you've been in a fairly long-term relationship with fewer issues than most. That's amazing, congratulations and don't change. But. It doesn't give you the greatest perspective here. I, conversely, went through a manwhore phase half-involuntarily; which is to say, I ended up with a reputation as a player despite never actually cheating on women or fucking around, had women regularly use me - or try to, I got a whole lot less receptive towards the idea after the first…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/22 08:26 PM
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How about divesting from the term 'toxic masculinity' first, please and thank you. That phrase is so loaded with bias and bigotry that anyone that uses it automatically goes into the 'no opinions worth merit' pile.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/22 06:58 PM
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Thank you! Most of the women in here seem hellbent on trying to convince the men that 'being thirsty' is just part and parcel of men being lesser creatures worthy of scorn. It's wrong on so many levels, but the biggest has to be that in reality women often want sex as much or more than men do. Sex drives aren't all that different - the difference is in what opportunities we respectively have and the value placed on them.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/22 06:57 PM
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If we did that wouldn’t serve us well form an evolutionary standpoint would it? Debatable. It only 'doesn't serve you well' when women will engage in frequent sex and childbearing despite not wanting to, or being indifferent to it. Some people a few decades ago made a convincing case that this is what history looked like until the modern era, and so "only recently" did women have agency in choosing when to have sex. Some people are fucking bigoted idiots and pulled a con job over society that we…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/22 06:48 PM
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What a hot load of garbage. Why is it women in PPD seem to think they're all historians of human nature and yet are universally so buried in horse shit about it? "All of human history" pretty much demonstrates the opposite. Everything from Irish folk songs to African dances to Polynesian and Indian subcontinent carvings proves what you're saying is some industrially refined Ural-quality bullfuckery.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/22 06:25 PM
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Their time too. That's the part women seem to forget. Matter of fact, the sunk cost in terms of time is more detrimental on the man's part, because men aren't really in control of the result - women are the gatekeepers, both in terms of sex and relationships. "Going through the motions" isn't something men do to 'trick' women into having sex; it's the bare minimum to be relevant in the game, to get to the point where enough leverage is attained to even make a determination about how things will …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/22 06:19 PM
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Therapy to realize food won't solve your problems, you need to fix your life and stop relying on food to support your self esteem.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/22 01:37 PM
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Well that part's done, so what else is needed for systemic misandry to end? Though if you're in denial about that, I don't know what to tell you. We've got documented bias against men in all aspects of life, from grade school to university to prison to hiring practices to health care. Just, everything really. Dating is only a pain point, a symptom of general social hatred of men; not the original problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/22 07:08 AM
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No, it doesn't. Because that still doesn't address the fundamental problem - different goals. "Make-him-wait" is a bad strategy for all kinds of reasons in and of itself; but in addition to all that, another reason is that even in the circumstance where it would be meaningful, you're still not doing the other thing you need to in order to get "relationship" sex instead of "ONS sex" - getting a commitment. Which you can do in as little as a couple sit downs. You do not need 3 months, or even one …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/22 10:19 PM
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I think you and I read that one completely differently. I've had women do the pump-and-dumping. Several times, in fact. So I read that as "It's not a mistake if that was her intent all along."
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/22 10:09 PM
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Then you're holding your fingers in your ears and going "la la la"
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/22 09:03 PM
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You have not explained how I was wrong. You are simply saying words with nothing to back them up. That's what "overwhelmed with bullshit" means. You response was so over-the-top full of bad faith arguments that I have lost all motivation to actually address them. Congratulations, you win the internet.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/22 05:45 AM
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See, now this I can - generally - get behind. Instead of the make-him-wait rule, which is bullshit, treat each situation as what it is, unique. Fair sportsmanship. There is such a thing as "piss or get off the pot", though. But again, that should be only considered on a case-by-case basis.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/22 05:44 AM
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Strawman. You can "own" your own role in a relationship without owning another person, and using the possessive form of various nounds and adjectives while describing that does not invalidate the argument or allow for reasonable comparisons to slavery. Try again.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/22 05:42 AM
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I think you're replying to someone else here. None of what you're saying applies to what I'm saying, nor do I even disagree with you in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/22 05:40 AM
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"Traditional" is way too broad a term, and in this case the phrase "traditional relationship" describes way more than just the element originally discussed, i.e. who initiates the relationship; who asks whom out, basically. That element is only "traditional" in a very very limited sense anyway, and using that word to defend the behavior is like using tree cover to cover taking a giant shit on someone else's lawn and pretend it's fertilizer. The idea that it's the man's job to do so, or even the …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/22 05:36 AM
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Congratulations, you've overwhelmed me with sheer bullshit. I don't even know where to start. Every sentence in this is wrong. Individually and collectively. It's such a bundle of horse shit, bigotry, mistaken assumptions, deflections, and fuckery that it's not even worth trying to untangle. All I can say is that merely having someone who can write up something so artistically wrong advocating for the make-him-wait strategy is in and of itself indication that it's a bad idea for sane people.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 06:57 PM
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Vetting is fine. But taking months to do it is just faffing about at best and outright malevolent fuckery at most, and any dude who's had to deal with that shit will assume the latter. You're 'vetting' men by looking and acting exactly like the type of woman who will use men like disposable tools, so don't blame men if the net outcome is disappointment for you regarding the men who make it to the other end of that process. Fair warning.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 06:51 PM
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If it was such a positive thing then why was she called a hoe? The same reason children will give you a hard time for being too tall, too short, too athletic, too smart, too anything that's handy as an insult. Because it's capable of getting under your skin is fuckin' why. That doesn't make it rational and it doesn't make the insult meaningful. Matter of fact, it's like as if someone insulted a smart kid and they then proceed to make themselves intentionally dumber, drug up and shit, change thei…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 06:02 PM
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Women are not on this earth to make sure you have sex. Ya know, I understand where you're coming from, but technically that's not true. All of us are 'on this earth' specifically because prior generations had sex, and we would not exist if that drive weren't deeply embedded in our makeup. An a few generations from now, the people who don't exist won't exist for exactly the same reason inverted. But I understand what you mean. Which is why this fucking dumb shit coming up next Women can be perfec…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 05:35 PM
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I said the most compatible. You could be looking at options that are all trash If the world smells, check your shoe. Otherwise, you're probably being way too damned choosy and basically bumming out the whole game. Get an entire society doing that, and, well... welcome to modern dating. It fucking sucks. Maybe don't lean into the reasons why that's true, yeah? Why the rush to exclusivity? Lots of reasons, but the biggest is probably because you aren't "taking your time", you're just in analysis p…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 05:02 PM
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Way to miss the point. What "that guy" said is irrelevant, if you really did in fact hear something like that, which I doubt. You're right, men notice when women have sex with them quickly, but you're wrong in thinking that's a negative in men's eyes. The fact is that's how most long-term successful relationships have always worked - my grandparents had a shotgun wedding after knowing each other for weeks, my parents did, my old captain did when I was working barge, most of the successful long-t…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 04:36 PM
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Everyone should be dating multiple people to up their chances of finding the most compatible partner. This is the basic flawed assumption driving all of this debate. It's really wrong, but it's hard to explain. The best way I've seen it described goes like this: "The grass isn't greener in that other yard, it's greener where you water it." In other words, stop trying to find the "best" match out of a group, and pick one that's tolerable enough and 'water' it. Do so with reasonable haste and defe…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 04:14 PM
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And? I've heard women bash men for spending money on them and not spending money on them, sometimes in the same breath. Whatever irrational trope people hold dear, someone's going to get it wrong anyway and try to use it as an insult. It doesn't change the basic calculus, which is that the make-him-wait strategy is just outrageously stupid and self-defeating.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 04:05 PM
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Common misconception. "Easy" to a man's perspective isn't how easy she is for you, it's how easy she is for everyone but you. Now, you'll probably take the position that that's a shallow thought process. Maybe it is. But it's pretty easy to navigate. Blitzkreig the first man you like into bed and defend your territory against all comers. Don't fuck around, but do fuck. Simple. If it doesn't work out the first time, you usually have a few more attempts left before anyone calls you 'easy'. (except…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 06:47 AM
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Yes it matters. If he's fucking another woman, then that guy is hers to lose. In that scenario you're basically counting on something breaking, either she makes a mistake or he plays her. Which means he'll play you too. Despite the stereotypes though chances are he won't fuck around unless she give him a reason. Sure, 30 percent or so of men cheat, but that means 70 percent don't, so... yeah. You playing a waiting game strategy means if the guy is quality and some other woman steps in, that's it…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 06:27 AM
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It weeds out the guys who are only there for sex I am genuinely curious why you think this. I see it pop up again and again as part of the reasoning. And it's just so... so... dumb. No it doesn't. It weeds out the guys who have self-respect and options. It does nothing to weed out "guys who are only there for sex" - in fact makes it all the more likely that's the only thing they'll value from her; or equivalently, they won't care about sex at all, which is its own problem. All your daughter will…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 06:15 AM
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So now you're taking the stance that peer pressure and related tactics have no effect at all? You're delusional. Out of your goddamned mind. Or, probably, just lying some more to try to win imaginary points as per usual with you. And also angry, or you'd have stopped engaging a while ago. The "amusing" part for you is you testing to see how far your lies will go. I mean, it "matters" but you're "just amused"? The doublespeak is fucking real, and disgusting as shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 12:45 AM
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I haven't heard of the guy either, but basing your opinion of him on "all the videos that make fun of him" is exactly the kind of bullshit that'd probably make me a supporter of his if I cared enough about it. The more someone's getting clowned, the more some of what they do or say hits home and has meaning. Now, that's not to say on the balance that celebrity or whomever is a good person - Putin gets clowned all the time in the West, and yet he's still legit a grade-A asshole - but it does mean…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/22 01:28 AM
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That’s just comedy, sweet cheeks. So, what you're saying is that you've lost the plot and are just fucking with me for its own sake. Gotcha. I think you are because I didn’t change anything. Lies. I mean, in the greater scheme it doesn't really matter, but it's indicative of the kind of person you are, consistent with everything else presented. Liar, hypocrite, and jumped into this conversation because what I've been saying steps on some deeply cherished illusion or another and got pissed about …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/22 01:09 AM
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You're doing it again, even in the process of denying it. "The poster kid of projection." Phrases like that don't spring from calm apathy. Hell, you can even say it's projecting your own form of rage onto me. A delightful little ball of irony and hypocrisy all rolled up together. As for this What typos? I didn’t change anything. "What typos"? Uh huh. Ok, we're playing it like that then. Sure. I'm straight up imagining things, now. It's like you've completely lost the plot and are just fucking wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/22 04:59 PM
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First, you're expressing rage right now, so the entire reply makes zero sense and is therefore inconsistent. Second, good work on fixing the typos up there, it scans a lot better now. That was fast work. So replace "incoherent" with "inconsistent" for that one too, though it was briefly incoherent enough to be practically meme-worthy.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/22 04:35 PM
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\^ Thanks for proving my point about your incoherence. Feel free to keep demonstrating the kind of tripping-over-your-own-words rage that makes the popcorn flow, lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/22 04:11 PM
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That's rich coming from you. That's pretty much how I could describe 90% of your own commentary. Hell, I'll go a step further and add that you seem to be so mad you often struggle to even properly phrase your incoherent bullshit. But hey, at least your "treacherous snake" tag isn't false advertising.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/22 03:59 PM
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Attacking the format instead of the message is the last refuge of the intellectually bankrupt, with the caveat of if there's mixed messaging or hypocrisy etc. - none of which apply to the usage of curse words. You felt personally attacked because I use oh-so-dirty words like "fuck" and "shit" and managed to actually end up personally attacked by zeroing in on that aspect, all whilst completely disregarding the points being made - in fact, using your feelings to completely gloss over them and fee…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/22 02:29 PM
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Were you though? Because I saw both disingenuous double-talk and zero respect for what I'm actually saying. You're probably mistaking politeness for respect, or pretending to for purposes of virtue signalling. You've been polite, for certain values of that word - snark is never really polite, but it can pass unnoticed, which some equate to the same thing or close enough as no nevermind - but even granting that, you sure as hell weren't 'respectful'. Even if I prefer a more direct approach, I'm n…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/22 02:13 PM
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soy-flavoured lumberjacks brilliant phrasing lol
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/22 06:00 AM
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I really do not fucking care what you find respectful or not. I find your entire attitude towards men and dating disrespectful, so fix that fubar first and we can talk about my syntax.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/22 05:54 AM
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"For some reason"? Lady, I explicitly defined the reasons. If you're confused as to what's being discussed that's your own damned fault.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/22 03:23 AM
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Well isn't that just the most hypocritical statement I've seen all week. Everyone here is debating other people's relationships and strategies to get them. That's the POINT.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/22 02:42 AM
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She can still go after you in court even if she makes more than you, especially in Canada as recent events attested We're starting to see a few family court justices here and there give favorable outcomes to men with less incomes but in no way is it true that being poorer or having equal incomes to your wife makes you safer in divorce court. That being said, may as well marry a woman who putatively can commit more of her time to home life if you yourself can afford that arrangement. Which, grant…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/22 12:56 AM
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I mean, you're 'hearing' it right the fuck here from OP, so... saying never is a bit of a non sequitur. Maybe something like "I'll never hear it again probably" would be less blatantly incorrect lol And of course you can always fall back on saying you're not actually hearing OP say this shit, but if you were to do that I may very well feed OP's ramblings into a text-to-speech page and link it to you out of spite lol. Then again, maybe not, too much like work. So your virgin ears are probably saf…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/22 12:48 AM
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That's a cop out. What we all do deeply affects others even if we never meet them. "Traditional" dating relies on certain assumptions such as men generally having more money and personal freedoms than women, etc; extending courtesies to women based on an initial power imbalance. Well guess fuckin' what? The power imbalance is tilting the other way now. So those same courtesies you'd expect from a person who has more leverage instead become a tax on men who frequently have less leverage, than you…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/22 12:27 AM
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Nah, the reality is way more complicated than that for lions. Basically your average male lion lives a short, violent, miserable existence unless he can team up with a couple other dudes and stake out a bachelor territory; it's only if he reaches around 5 years old or so and has successfully survived and shit that he'll break off on his own and try to find some female lions, who he'll shack up with for about 2-3 years or so before they kill him or drive him off trying to. The whole time that hap…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/22 12:07 AM
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Individually, litter isn't a big deal. It's only when littering reaches societal scales that we start to see meaningful problems. We still get pissed off at assholes throwing cans out the car window. Oh, and btw, you're in a debate forum. Anything you say can and will be disagreed with. But that's incidental, because you're right, I am pissed off by self-absorbed opinions that can't see just how much damage the current dating paradigm is doing to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/22 11:44 PM
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Traditionally your parents would arrange your relationship or you'd be raided by tribal rivals and either taken outright or negotiated as spoils of war. So, respectfully, fuck your traditionalism. We live in different circumstances and women collectively have more personal wealth than men do, as of last decade. And technology, culture and law have made the process of men asking women out incredibly hostile and fraught with risk. So suck it up, future's female, feminism won, yada ya, Y'all can fu…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/22 10:08 PM
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It's funny you're using the phrase "societal conditioning" and "historical bias towards men" when you're demonstrating the bias against men that's become the societal norm. What you believe is false. Non-sex-specific body parts pictured in anatomy textbooks are just that, non-sex-specific. And have been for over half my lifetime, probably even more of yours. It was a huge problem a long time ago, there were even boycotts and other dramatic events happening in the 80's over it, and it was fixed a…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/22 10:50 AM
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Again, that hasn't been true for 20 years now. It's true, medical textbooks used to use male anatomy as the default, which is probably where you're getting this dumbassery from; that sort of complaint should have been put to bed back in 2004 or so, but it keeps popping up. What you are saying is not true. It'd be a more legitimate complaint to say that racial differences - and there are racial differences that have important drug and surgery implications - aren't covered enough. But "researchers…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/22 10:29 AM
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In every case where we have more data on men - heart attacks not being one of them, by the way - it's because the studies were done in situations where the participants were put at some measure of risk. Think that through for a moment. I know the example you're talking about, and it's bullshit by the way. It's a myth that we "don't spot women's heart attacks" because of "data"; it's because women have a different distribution of the same warning signs as men, but that distribution leans more fre…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/22 10:13 AM
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Wait, this is the same person that used the hooskerdoo username, or whatever it was? How do you even know that?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/22 07:22 AM
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If you actually blocked him after replying, that's violating the 5th rule on the sidebar over there. I'd suggest not doing that. I may be misreading what's being said here though.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/22 07:19 AM
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Yeah no. Gotta break into this here - ignoring the topic for the moment to discuss structure, that example was not a false equivalence. The issue wasn't comparing the "wrongness" of sex tourism vs. talking about your partner's bits; it was illustrating that "argument ad populum" can lead to absurd conclusions, therefore argument ad populum is a bullshit debate tactic. Which it is. It really is. Don't do argument ad populum. Don't even do your specific version of argument ad populum, which boils …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/22 12:25 AM
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"neglected." That hasn't been true, even in the most generous reading of the statement, since two decades ago. Women's health is prioritized. Nevermind that even discounting accidental and intentional deaths, men live years less on average. But sure, health research is "disproportionately" focused on men. Except for the massive part of health research that's focused on women; but sure, that part's necessary because the rest is focused on men. Who clearly don't need any more help; hell, men shoul…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/22 12:08 AM
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Maybe not, but her delusional worldview is represented in varying degrees by different people; she's serving a useful purpose by displaying some of the worst forms of it for you to counter. Thanks for that, btw.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/22 12:05 AM
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It's not the guys who behave as they're 'supposed' to that are the true cynics. It's the ones who do what works with attracting women that turn around and go, "ladies, y'all are fucked up."
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/22 10:53 PM
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Then a lot of those younger women are really doing it wrong, because they're just as likely or more to buy shit. Hell, I only knew men's shirts sometimes come with a 400$ price tag in a theoretical sense until a woman a decade younger than me bought it for me on a whim. That I was dating. I mean, for fuck's sake. I had female friends that gossiped to me about fucking the hot professor, the DJ that had a solid 15 years on them, etc; I've been roomates with girls who threw house parties with dudes…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/22 09:26 PM
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Talk to an exited sex worker. Not a girl who does OnlyFans Already lost me here. OnlyFans and similar streaming is sex work and anyone who says otherwise is willing to split whatever hairs they need to in order to push their agenda. The vast majority of sex workers do it because they want to, and the "exited" sex workers you (allegedly) spoke to were quite possibly fucking with you as soon as you spoke to them as if they might be victims of society. If anyone here is thinking of women as objects…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/22 08:48 PM
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Yeah I do deny that. And I consider your point of view the position of dangerous nutcases. As far as addicts go, anything taken to extremes is dangerous. There are people who have literally died from drinking too much water. But that's not the reason you don't like porn; you don't like it because to you it's 'ick' and you'll believe any bullshit some morally crusading scam artist comes along with if it supports your own inclinations. If anything is 'unethical' it's taking shit like that at face …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/22 08:31 PM
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We just don't assume what men and women are inherently like or must do. You say you don't, but in practice that's pretty much the only thing you do.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/22 08:23 PM
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A vibrator doesn't condition your behaviour lol. Depends on who you ask, doesn't it? I don't think you understand what I'm referring to. I wouldn't trust a porn studio just to say it had good working conditions. I understand perfectly what you're referring to. And I think you're making biased assumptions and leaning into any description of "porn studios" that supports those biases. Nevermind that most porn these days isn't even done by studios, but by streamers who use services like OnlyFans; bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/22 08:21 PM
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Pretty much this, yeah. Also ageist. And, ironically, anti-female too. Insofar as older men dating younger women are 'predators', younger women apparently have zero agency or ability to make their own decisions, etcetera. And younger men don't escape from the bias and bigotry here either; apparently completely incapable in their early 20's due to their prefrontal cortex not developing. ... it's just... so, so much pseudo-scientific bullshit, prejudice, and bigotry wrapped up all in one comment i…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/22 08:15 PM
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Long time erotica reader here. The biggest reason I like erotica? Because I found a bunch of it in my grandfather's library when I was, like, 7, lol. It's familiar to me. I also grew up during the old message board era, when newsgroups like alt.erotica were pretty much the most active part of the internet - pictures could take 10 minutes to completely download, but you could get practically an entire novel in a faster timeframe. That said, there's also the fact that literature - any literature, …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/22 05:18 PM
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There's like 10 different studios out there for porn that target women and don't "exploit" their actors. There's also plenty of porn made by real people that aren't models and won't "condition" you any worse than your vibrator already does. Less so, probably. I find your reasoning insincere. Better to just say you like literature erotica because it hits the spot, than to say it's because you're protesting porn. Why even make it a moral statement? That's just... so fucking wrong. Pun intended. It…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/22 05:09 PM
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No. No it's not. It's a bunch of pseudo-scientific bullshit that seems like it should be true but doesn't look at the larger picture and tries to make claims that don't hold up in reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/22 04:48 PM
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Oh you sweet summer child. There are 40 year old women who'll brag about much the same things. Some people never grow up, and some women even get worse as the get older, and some even make a left turn later in life, staying sane through their 20's and diving off a cliff in their 30's. Age is no guarantee of maturity, in anyone. Maturity is its own separate thing only very loosely correlated with age. Mark my words.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/22 04:46 PM
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"The boys" You know as a radical feminist you aren't actually supposed to be making gender-based assumptions like that? About the boys or the girls. At least in theory. Though even the academics don't follow their own rules there, so what's your average street level radfem to do except follow the crowd and be as ethically bankrupt and inconsistent? lol That's why I think that ideology is shit and the people following it are shit. It's inconsistent internally and inconsistently applied, and prett…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/22 04:37 PM
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Uhh the fuck you on about boss "Everyone" did nothing of the kind. Maybe you lived like that but I sure as hell didn't. Matter of fact if you had the kind of childhood I did as a male you'd probably curl up comatose wishing for the good old days when you were fucking cleaning up after your brothers and shit. You have no idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/22 04:30 PM
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Some guys twist this reality into the idea that college coeds are lusting after 40 and 50-something middle-aged guys Ooorrrr some of us have actual lived experience of that happening and are tired of revisionist ageist bullshit artists trying to pretend women don't often go out of their way to be with older men. I mean, there's enough individual variance that anyone can pull up evidence of 'preferences' and make a case that seems legit if you don't sniff test it. But in reality? We fucking well …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/22 04:24 PM
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I'm not a woman, but I can say I've had a woman leave me for exactly this reason. It was incredibly frustrating when it happened, in fact. Lots of mixed messaging there, lots to unpack. But at the end of the day you're being told you're untrustworthy even if you've not done anything personally to merit that belief, simply because you might take up on some of the other women flirting with you. When the same woman who ended things as "a relationship" comes back a few weeks later and proposes a fuc…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/22 04:03 PM
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I read through so many toxic and out of this world insane comments and i remain confused and perplexed. 'Toxic and insane'? Really? Or do you just not like the idea that the female population has collectively shit on the porch and now we're all stuck smelling it while women deny it's even happening? While you, even in acknowledging these things are problems, continue to try to deny that they're problems and men have been gaslighted pretty much the entire process? That's the source of your confus…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/22 06:51 AM
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Was that a gay joke? For shame. Unlike women, they usually prefer younger after all. But since we're talking about investment, I'll point out you're the one responding; if 'neither of us have anything to gain', then why even say it?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/22 03:31 AM
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Spoken like someone who's never been in the service or worked with his hands a day in his life next to other dudes. If you think the way I'm talking now is offensive, you have absolutely no idea. But a little tip to get you started, the person that starts talking about how the other person talks instead of the content of the message has already lost the argument and is just looking to get jabs in so they don't feel the full weight of shame for being caught driving the wrong way down a one-way. T…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/22 03:12 AM
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First girl I ever dated weighed more than I do. The latest woman to hit on me was a buck thirty if she was soaking wet, met me at the local library during a retro video games thing they do every other week, in her mid-20's, and had a truly delightful British accent. And she asked me "what are you doing after this?", not the other way around. Try again, buttercup. Better yet, don't. I really do not understand why some people are so invested in the idea women don't prefer older men; but it would b…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/22 02:05 AM
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Not for nothing, but 4 years ago I was homeless, on antipsychotics and slightly overweight, have an ugly-looking smile (seriously, I avoid smiling whenever possible, I look like fucking hide-the-pain-Harold photos but with a smaller mouth) and yet had 20 year old women hitting me up with my completely undesirable 40-years-plus ass. I'm tall, white, lived a lot of life and can talk rings around your average peon. But I am entirely crossed off of most women's christmas wish lists for stuffing thei…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/22 01:32 AM
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"In the interests of men." Pfft. As if it weren't primarily men complaining about the toxic wasteland that is dating in the first place. You have to be at least mildly oblivious and mildly misandrist to believe shit like that. It's more like, women are liberated and benefiting some from the current paradigm, just like someone who's throwing their trash out of the car window is liberated and benefiting from not having to care about the fallout. I mean, in the end it costs them because no one want…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/22 04:38 PM
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lol this is the most reasonable and intelligent counterargument to '50/50' I've seen from that side of the debate. Instead of "50/50 is bullshit, men should pay" it's "50/50 is bullshit, pay for what you eat." Like, I can entirely get behind this haha
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/22 04:27 PM
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You said a hell of a lot more than that, and all of it just about as disingenuous as the statement 'Because all I've said is...' It's like layers of fake-outs and covers. Like the Inception of comment chains. Nothing is real except what's convenient to your point at that moment in time. Except it's not actually working. Accusing men of having a victim complex over this? Doesn't work. Handwaving away everything else you've been saying other than social anxiety making it harder to date? Doesn't wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/22 02:31 AM
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How would you even know you hate it? Apparently "no men are falling out of the sky to date you," so how can you be sure? It's the little inconsistencies like this that add up. This whole comment chain you've really not made a very good case for your views. Might want to sit back and re-evaluate those views, in fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/22 12:47 AM
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After 30 demand for women drops so quickly there's a word for it. Meanwhile demand for men, by most accounts, increases. Nevertheless the ratio of cheaters for both goes up until menopause, where women typically need hormone therapy to keep their sex drive. It's just that men's goes up faster. Long story short, women would beat out men as cheaters too in older age if the market would bear it. The difference here isn't motive funlight, it's opportunity.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/22 12:34 PM
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This is exactly what I’m talking about. This is a total projection of male sexuality/fantasy onto women. Lol no it's not, it's what women often do when given complete freedom and in a seller's market. Not always, but commonly enough. That's not 'projecting male fantasies', that's acknowledging the current state of affairs. 'Projecting' would be more along the lines of pretending women aren't doing all of that. Male fantasies of women tend to include things like women not cheating, women being at…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/22 07:38 AM
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Women already cheat more often than men under 30. It's not as if that impulse wasn't already there. Matter of fact, them being more like men might even mean they cheat less. Pure speculation there, but possible. The point being that the cheating thing really isn't a factor in your scenario. Not sure why you're fixated on it. It's not as if women outside of your hypothetical weren't already cheaters.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/22 07:19 AM
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This is the same cap companies that dump billions of tons of toxic shit into the environment use. "It's not us! It's the customers! If they didn't buy then we wouldn't have to do this!"
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/22 06:24 PM
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Holy shit. I knew most of this stuff, but this video just puts it all together in a very powerful way. Bookmarked and thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/22 06:21 PM
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Says the person eager to vilify men. Happy? No. That would take an attitude change your statement here represents the antithesis of. The hypocrisy this represents is sickening. One can hope for better relations with someone they 'cannot touch' while deploring the bias and attitudes causing the 'visceral hate'. There's no contradiction there. The real contradiction is you taking the stance of mocking such problems while leaning into them at the same time. Truly loathsome.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 01:38 PM
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No. I could be wrong, but I think what the OP is really doing is describing a common attitude of women and forcing people to think about what that behavior truly costs by framing it as if a hypothetical man existed that acted like that. I'm sure that some do, in fact. Given a position of attraction and privilege, some men will treat women exactly like this - especially if for some reason they're paid for the act, like I've seen in some interviews of Chippendale dancers. It's unfortunate they cho…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 11:41 AM
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History didn't start in 1950 and there's plenty of historical examples of women doing things exactly like this - French salons in the 1700's, for example. But you're right, insofar as those tools make attitudes allowing for deep discrimination against men to become widespread. It went from isolated attitudes among privileged or standout women, to a dominant cultural paradigm to treat men in relationships as disposable inconveniences as described in the OP. Still, I'm wondering what places you're…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 11:31 AM
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What exactly do you call the above kind of man? A Western woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 11:00 AM
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Women aren't putting up with this. Men are. These attitudes and behaviors aren't something seen commonly in men, but they are seen commonly in women. With the exception of polygamy, but with some forms of serial dating even that's debatable. The rest of it, though? Those are very common attitudes among Western women. And yes, men do by-and-large 'put up with it.' Cultural bias is like that. If they bother you when seen in a hypothetical man pointed at women, it might be worth considering why tho…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 10:57 AM
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More like a male nightmare. What OP is describing as a "hypothetical man" is what women are actually like on the dating scene in far larger numbers than anyone is comfortable with. Even the polygamy part, to a limited degree - certainly serial dating and disposing of men for not meeting unrealistic standards so rapidly in sequence it may as well be polygamy. In other words, you completely missed the trick. OP isn't describing a "hypothetical" type of man. They're describing a disturbingly common…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 10:48 AM
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You're missing the easy answer, at least from the perspective of the dudes burned worst by the current relationship scene. "Woman." The polygamous part of it is throwing people off, but if you consider how dating actually plays out, esp. when OLD is being used, what OP is describing looks remarkably like the worst excesses men are describing they've experienced.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 10:41 AM
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What exactly do you call the above kind of man? Women. OP is describing women, at least as represented by what a fairly significant portion of them are doing in the modern dating scene. That's the trick of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 10:40 AM
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Boss, you haven't thought this one through. Acknowledgement is its own reward. Or rather, has knock-on effects that don't require some kind of draconian top-down order imposed on society to fix. I mean, you really haven't put any fucking thought into it. Take the case of just dating, asking for dates, etc. - all that initiating shit that men generally loathe but women generally refuse to do. What if, crazy thought - what if that kind of activity was respected because the challenges were, ahem, a…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 09:29 PM
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Since HolyPenguine brought it up but folded under pressure from your question, thought I'd step in here. Because he raised a damn good point but was shit on defense. So. Women benefitting more from pensions. Apparently this is a question, though a bit of common sense should have answered it already: You bet your ass they do, where they occur. This is taking the case of government employees, where pensions are a thing that happens as opposed to the private sector which is extremely hit or miss; t…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 09:17 PM
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I've been called incel multiple times despite never owning the title. I've seen other dudes called it too who never called themselves that. On the one hand you got people who legit feel locked out of adult relationships, on the other you got people using that concept as a generic insult. One ain't the other boss, so I think you got your wires crossed when you said this
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 10:36 AM
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So to avoid being used for sex, you only have sex when you're the one using someone you don't like. Sadly that makes perfect sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/22 04:39 AM
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So what you're saying in a roundabout way is that they didn't try hard enough? For me, that's reasoning I've heard far too often in too many contexts where it doesn't cover the gaps. I don't trust that idea anymore. It's like people who say the poor are just lazy - it has just enough truth to have traction while being wrong enough to be incredibly damaging. We're dealing in assumptions to be sure, but that's one assumption I have had less and less faith in as I've gotten older. Sure it sounds go…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 05:23 AM
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Were they though? Omitting a 'super relevant detail'? I don't make the same claim as CommunityOK7466, but I did know plenty of guys like that. Good friends, even. And they were objectively better men and partners than I was, but years and decades would go by while women gave them a miss and I got attention. If Community up there says that's what happened to him, I don't have to think there was something horribly wrong with him to believe him. I met plenty of him in real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 04:58 AM
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This is a misconception. You don't get a high body count from what PMmeareasontolive is talking about. Matter of fact, you tend to keep a lower one. he said Personally I'd love a long term monogamous fwb who I could take trips with or watch movies with as well as the intimate stuff. But to have the logical leap go from that to "oh you should be married then!" is too much. high body counts happen when you swap beds, not when you stay in the same one for a 'long term monogamous fwb'.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 04:54 AM
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What the hell did I just watch This is why the Daily show is dead to me, and has been for years.
/r/MensRights19/07/22 12:09 PM
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Soldiers. Soldiers make truly shit pay. Beyond poverty-level wages. There's incentives and various benefits that can compensate for that, but for the most part your basic enlisted has signed up for a truly raw deal, unless they're able to move up the ranks enough to make it worthwhile. Career enlisted soldiers can end up safely middle class, but you spend at least a decade paying your dues before that and god help you if you fuck up somewhere along the way.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 09:16 AM
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Bullshit on multiple levels. First, police are literally trained to remove the man when allegations of abuse are made - but not to remove the woman. Different states handle it differently, but that's the general trend. And courts follow suit. More than that, the court system moves colossally slowly in situations like that; where a woman under accusation will default to keeping custody while the question is being decided in court, a man often has the children summarily removed. They're completely…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 10:10 PM
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Disagree. When you leverage collective bargaining, even if it's a passive process, you're responsible for negative outcomes of that. More specifically, you shame each other for the wrong things and as a bonus ultimately blame men for it. Slut shaming? Mostly women doing it, but it's men's fault. Etcetera. Slut shaming is done more often by women though because it's a tactic that allows women to maintain a stronger bargaining position, at least in the short term. Long term it ends up hurting ever…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 09:43 PM
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Each other, for starters. Y'all do not call out your own bullshit, and it's costing everyone. In-group bias among women is obscene, along the lines of a 5-to-1 preference ratio. When men do that we're attacked for it, and for good reason, words like 'misogyny' really do represent social ills; but so do words like 'misandry', no matter how often feminists try to edit that wiki page into oblivion. Y'all cover for each other way too much and it ends up letting really toxic shit keep floating by. So…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 09:25 PM
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Speaking plainly? This is prejudice talking. Men don't give up on custody because of "the traditional view." They give up because the odds really are stacked against them, and worse; it's not just that the chances are bad, it's that the fallout of a contested custody battle can be radioactive if the woman chooses to make it so. Which results in custody only 50/50 being when the woman wants that. If she decides to go for broke, there are tactics women can use that men have no counter for. And tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 09:10 PM
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So it's ok if you do it though? Still haven't answered that question boss. Just deflecting like you did here.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 07:47 AM
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Define loser. No wait, don't. Cuz that's an opportunity for you to cap and deflect and you've already demonstrated you'll jump on that like a North Korean dictator would on basketball autographs.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 03:10 AM
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You're still generalizing though.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 03:08 AM
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Lies.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 03:00 AM
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But... but... you're generalizing both PUAs and therapists in your statement right now. So are generalizations good or bad?? I so confuzzed lol, you so far off base you're in microgravity
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 02:58 AM
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Cap and deflect, that's the grease that makes it all work. Cap and deflect and your entire gender eventually becomes Teflon. Never own your shit, and never ever admit to fault. Case in point, this reply. Change the goal post, deny deny deny, rinse and repeat until the other person gets too tired to stand their ground. Job done.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 02:56 AM
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Why am I trying to defend it? Because mischaracterizing bad behavior means you fail to see it happen if it doesn't match your expectations. Lies can be more effort than the truth. That's a fact. If it looks like it's costing someone to say some shit, or even that what they're saying hurts them, that in no way means they're telling the truth. Conversely, if a fact is somehow easy and convenient for someone, that still doesn't make them a liar. Lying does. Don't get it mixed up yo.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 02:46 AM
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Complete bait and switch. The updated FBI definition of rape does nothing to help men raped by women. It's like that idiot 'expert' in the Johnny Depp trial who kept saying "sure men can be victims, other men will rape them." It does nothing about female offenders, does nothing about leveling the playing field there. Sure, the original verbiage explicitly stated that the victim would be a woman to be defined as rape. Now it just says the victim must be penetrated by a sexual body part of the agg…
/r/MensRights18/07/22 02:42 AM
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Sure it does. Is it cheating? Absolutely. But cheating takes effort too. Plenty of reasons to dog behavior like that. Mostly in how fucking up the program makes it less good for everyone. But the effort involved isn't one of them. Lies can take a lot more effort sometimes than just using the truth. To the point where you wonder why people even bother.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 02:39 AM
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Depends on the source. There's certainly a lot of scam artists in that arena though, not gonna lie. Any field where you have desperate people and unclear outcomes is a recipe for selling snake oil. That said, there's stuff out there that's legit. Frankly I think there eventually ought to be some form of regulatory commission and professional standards board, like any other form of therapy or professional advice. Probably won't happen because the idea of helping men get laid and get relationships…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 02:32 AM
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You don't spend too much time actually reading those PUA writings do you? They tend to say the opposite of that, that to 'pretend like' or even not pretending build friendship with a woman without escalating/making sexual interest clear and in the foreground is a fast track to friend zone.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 02:28 AM
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Depends on the lie I suppose. And the level of commitment to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 02:25 AM
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My 'male sexuality' ass has been used as a fuck buddy, lied to by married women, had one night stands where the woman only bothered to talk to me when she was dtf, and more besides. Your "female sexuality" ain't all that different boss. Mostly just the circumstances shaping the differences, not biological determinism. Otherwise none of that shit would ever have happened to me, because it would mean clearly "women" "don't" "value" "sex" if it's not in a "relationship." And yeah every single set o…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 02:18 AM
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Yeah, I've had one-night stand experiences that were like that. The girl just wanted a fuck and then bailed on anything remotely smelling like commitment or relationship noises, or even friendship. You're on call for fucking only. It's more common than anyone seems to acknowledge, women doing stuff like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 01:18 AM
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Sure. A lot of the stuff I know comes from forums that are years gone now, but this archive does a good job of maintaining much of it - regarding marriage, this page: Steel's Guide To Married Red Pill The site that page is on is itself a fairly good resource, so just poke your nose around and see what catches your eye. Godspeed.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 11:41 AM
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You can catastrophize men's attention all you want, but I'm not buying what you're selling. A lot of that is actively sought out by women. There are articles written by women lamenting when they lose that kind of attention. "Ordinary" women complain about not getting the special treatment attractive women get, so I know women have generally the same set of human impulses - the difference is in how society treats you. And it fucking well treats you better than men. All y'all are so dialed in on t…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 11:37 AM
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Same to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 10:22 AM
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I mean, there's plenty more than that? Reddit is only good for short form debate, brah. You have to concede some common understanding in order to have effective communication, or you'll get lost in the weeds; you need proper books and essays to really nail down details and draw lines like you're requesting here. As far as it goes the RW is a perfectly good example of the process I described in action, and if it doesn't connect for you then I don't know what to tell you except read more, boss.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 10:18 AM
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Yeah, BP does tend to do that. Point conceded.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 10:14 AM
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Um, yes? Plenty of people who use terror tactics have in fact called themselves terrorists. Hell, if the term existed during the American Revolution, I'm sure plenty would have called themselves such. As it stood back then, the curse word was "rebel", and it was just as much of a dirty word as terrorist is now. You could be and were hung until dead for being a rebel and there was tremendous social pressure to not be a rebel, but people did it anyway and owned it. That sort of argument doesn't re…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 10:11 AM
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shaaaaaame
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 10:08 AM
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Here's a thought, maybe being RP isn't all that radicalized in the first place? Back in the days before RP or even the internet you used to hear the old salts all the time tell young men who asked, "women will fuck you up if you let them." Or they'd say, "Don't chase, it ain't worth it" and the younger guys would be like yeah, right, keep being bitter old men or whatever. It was the type of advice that was consistently ignored as sour grapes. But you know what it wasn't? RP. Because RP didn't ex…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 10:04 AM
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You sound like one of those Christian gay deprogramming advocates. "Your beliefs and life experiences are sinful lies, believe in the lord Andrea Dworkin hard enough and you to can be saved from a life of sinful misogyny." Frankly the ones that need to be 'deprogrammed' are the people running places like r/exredpill. I strongly doubt they understood RP in the first place, much less have a strong claim to be "ex" RP. You'd have to be RP in the first place for that, and not have been an idiot abou…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 09:54 AM
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See, I knew you were going to do this - try to drum up examples as if I weren't already aware. I had a woman literally bite me hard enough to draw blood, and meow at me and follow me around the rest of the night. I've had my cock grabbed, been run down by an SUV full of drunk women in a dark parking lot, had a landlady evict me for not fucking her, and more besides. FUCK your bullshit. See, I know what you've been through. And despite my ability to understand and even believe everything you desc…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 09:41 AM
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A lot of RPers do go that way eventually. Seeing how the sausage is made and still eating it requires a pretty strong stomach, or being really hungry.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 05:25 AM
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Eventually the realize that to most of those people he would just be a mattress and feel dehumanized I went through that, can confirm. But. I can also confirm that the years I spent invisible to women as a younger man were even worse. And frankly the worst part about 'being a mattress' wasn't the sex or attention, it was seeing women treating other men just fucking horribly, disposably, and realizing that just because I personally crossed that threshold didn't make women's overall behavior bette…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 05:18 AM
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That's a cap. I mean sure, the state generally prioritizes the child - but if it wasn't also prioritizing mothers and/or discriminating against men, then we'd have 50/50 default custody in all 50 states, fathers in jail would receive the same leniency and considerations that mothers in jail often do, child support wouldn't be overwhelmingly laid on men's shoulders, courts wouldn't cause custody situations due to default legal outcomes (remember, the state of law isn't what happens in court - tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 05:02 AM
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You're confused. It's ok. I'll explain. You completely missed a reference to anal sex in the comment above yours. A famous anus would not do that, and given your commenting style, you'd have leaned in if you realized it instead of acting coy, which means you were legitimately uncertain about their meaning. Lastly, to be clear, anuses do nothing for me and yours would be no exception. Plus, the only famous anus that actually exists is goatse, and he's dead. So you are whiffing on the immediate le…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 03:36 AM
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Username does not check out.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 03:29 AM
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Banning abortion does not take away from a man's options. Abortion was never something a man has a say in. Yep. Very true. And this is why response to Roe V. Wade being overturned has had... lukewarm reception, instead of the outrage the feminist left expected. Abortion no longer being considered a constitutional right only levels the playing field; where feminists are screaming that it's an injustice, many who don't buy into that rhetoric unthinkingly are realizing that it created an unjust pla…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 03:13 AM
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That's, uh, no. No red pillers do not believe that. RP doesn't believe long-term relationships kill women's sex drives, except insofar as the seven-year itch and hormonal cycles that have been clearly established as fact hold out; but those aren't the real deal breaker in RP theory. It clearly states that complacency kills women's sex drives, and can do so way before the seven year itch happens, even months into a new relationship; conversely, not being complacent can overcome it. Which it does.…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 02:54 AM
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Um, wow. Never a Boy Scout were you. Or a camper, survivalist, or probably military. Lived in the middle of civilization and never fucking left it. Learned what being innawoods is like from video games. That's the only way I can explain this insanity. Shelter is priority number 2. Before food, even. Only thing more important is water. Secure a water source then immediately start protecting yourself from the elements and the night. Clear a space of critters, make a place to rest that's slightly e…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 08:18 AM
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Oh it gets even more unbelievable. The heiress tracked me down through my Myspace profile. Yep. Myspace. Back before people had even heard of Facebook. Me, the guy who is constantly saying online dating is the absolute fucking worst and men should never do it, saying he met women through the internet. If you know my comment history here you'd never think I ever had any positive experiences with OLD at all. But that's how it happened. OLD is still shit though and men should never ever do it. Mysp…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 07:52 AM
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Boss, you're fuckin' full of it. You know what I'm talking about, you're just putting up strawmen now to keep the argument going. I think you actually agree with what I'm saying here, just got your nose too far in the air to say it. But you do you boss.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 01:57 AM
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Completely ignoring? That's a laugh. I already acknowledged that simping doesn't work, that in your words 'women aren't vending machines you stick niceness into and receive sex from.' But the thing is, what that means is women don't get niceness beyond the legally required level of courtesy. At all. Not ordinary ones, and not exceptionally pretty ones. Which is what Goat up there doesn't get. She thinks it's because a woman isn't pretty that that woman doesn't get romance. No. It's because roman…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 01:27 AM
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And how in the bloody hell did you come to the conclusion that the men were the ones lacking social aptitude, and not the women? See that's just it. Social aptitude is being able to see past appearance to understand motive and be able to predict future behavior. Making effort - being a simp - either way those are the same things, the difference is in how it's interpreted. Understanding what it truly means requires social aptitude. When women don't reward effort, reward simping, it stops happenin…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 11:45 PM
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No. They're not two separate things. They're the same thing from two different perspectives.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 11:27 PM
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We say that now, and it's true, but you gotta acknowledge the flip side of that reality too. Women who 'don't want to date simps' are often the same ones that complain how as 'ordinary women' they don't get any special attention. It's like, bitch, you actively discourage that behavior, and even if you don't specifically, then your sisterhood does it for you and you clap for them when they tell you about it... So sit down and shut the fuck up please and thank you. lol
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 10:45 PM
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Yes but no. I mean, the first girl I dated weighed more than I do and I tried my damnedest to make it work. Repeat wash and rinse about 5 times before I stopped even trying. By the time the really attractive women with 'many options' were the ones trying to get my attention, I was already a person who placed very little trust in the idea of relationships. That's a me problem, not blaming women for that - I know dudes who went through much the same experience and are a lot less salty, so that's j…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 09:54 PM
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lol. That's because those ordinary women are absolutely brutal to the type of guys who do that or want to. When I was in my early 20's I tried that shit. Was looking forward to it in fact, the whole flowers and going out and doing scenes out of movies and shit. With ordinary women because that's who were around. You tell me how well that worked out. It wasn't until I'd completely given up on that and just focused on music and money, doing performances and stuff, throwing events and spending my t…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 09:30 PM
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The girls saying that are teenagers or barely out. The women who've been actually trying to date other women for a few years are the ones who start saying 'fuck that shit.' It takes a few bad experiences for the opinion ieatpusswa mentioned to surface. The opinion you shared is the default prejudice kids start out with. That's after being force-fed 'women are more empathetic' by society from age 0 of course. They get over it once they actually have to try to initiate with other women and learn w…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 09:16 PM
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Yet women are still expected to do extensive grooming rituals like shaving their entire body You do that to yourselves. That's like saying "men are expected to know their way around a car engine" like, sure, a lot of guys do that, but we do it because we already wanted to. And yeah it gets some women hot to see it in action. But expected is a bit too much emphasis, same/same with the grooming rituals women do. We appreciate when women do it, and some guys go for that, others find it meh or even …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 09:06 PM
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Tell me you paid for most of those dates and I'll value your opinion more.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 11:08 PM
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Women don't intellectually like the idea of an asshole. In practice though, those are the guys who end up with 7 kids between 3 women, and still manage to get engaged to a 4th.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 11:06 PM
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Ok, you just reached peak troll here with this one
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 11:04 PM
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This is such a cap. Sex is the gateway to relationships. We don't do arranged marriages anymore; if you ain't fucking, you ain't got an adult relationship. Meaning that women have all the advantages there too. They are the gatekeepers of sex. Ergo, that makes them the gatekeepers of relationships. Their choices and values control what happens next, not men's. That's what gatekeeper means. Except if they're chasing after the rare few guys that 10 other women also are at the same time, which is wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 10:51 PM
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Sure, but you didn't do that. You just added to the reasoning without changing anything in the original. And for that matter you didn't really add much that's useful or true either. The 'black and white thinkers' are kind of right on this one; looks aren't mentioned when they should be a lot of the time, or dismissed as irrelevant or discussed in terms too vague to be useful, despite appearance being critically important for men to manage well. Failing to call it out is how we ended up with all …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 09:21 PM
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The thing is, TotalTravesty is kind of breaking the rules in agreeing with you in a direct top-level reply - this is a debate sub after all - so, well, you weren't wrong in assuming he was being disagreeable. He was supposed to be disagreeable, and failed at it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 07:01 PM
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It is a gendered thing though, at least in the national conversation about it. The term 'emotional labor' refers entirely to women, and references to the 'assholes' to use your term are always referring to men. You can't just handwave that away by saying "it's an asshole thing." You're not wrong, it is an 'asshole' thing; but at the same time, you're wrong for handwaving it. OP is calling out a serious bias against men, one that should work the way you're saying, but in practice does not. Which …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 11:20 AM
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True story: more men were 'pressed' (slowly crushed between stones), burned at the stake, and various other punishments for being witches than women were. Only during a brief period in the 1700s did women outnumber men, and then only in a few countries (Britain and British colonies primarily), for witchcraft-related executions. But make no mistake, even there, plenty of 'wizzards' (sic) were executed. There were witch trials all over Europe, but by far the worst offender was France; and it gener…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 06:43 PM
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This logic doesn't work out for a couple reasons. First, because getting pregnant is a bit harder than most people realize. Couples can go years - perfectly fertile couples - with trying and failing to have a child; definitely a year isn't unheard of. 'Spray and pray' simply doesn't work if it can take longer to conceive than it does to carry a child, potentially, depending on the balance. Second, for that reason, women have as much or more incentive to cheat than men do, if more children is the…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 02:37 PM
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Not gonna lie, this is a lot smarter than the sex strike. That said the current problem with the economy is supply chain snags, so larger retailers may actually be grateful for the temporary relief. Not sure if they realize this
/r/AntiFeminists02/07/22 01:30 PM
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Sure thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 06:21 PM
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For me it was a little different, the wife and husband both told me they were estranged and fine with her having an affair. It still ended up being a "don't stick your dick in that" situation. These days I have a zero extraneous relationships policy, specifically because even when you have permission it still causes problems. And yeah, I felt like a garbage person for doing it even still.
/r/MensRights30/06/22 06:19 PM
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Right? And at the same time they're being told they're privileged, boys have lower life expectancy, documented bias against them in schools, higher levels of homelessness and suicide rates to look forward to, and all kinds of other stuff. Anyone in a situation like that, surrounded by complaints at them, who isn't complaining right back is either too beaten up to bother anymore or is holding themselves to stoicism. Which, while I respect it, isn't all that helpful in the current situation. Squea…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 06:17 PM
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Uh, no. You didn't read me right. I'm saying that the place you learned it - which almost certainly wasn't from Cialdini's books either - was probably anti-RP propaganda from someone who did and thought somehow they'd stumbled across a gotcha. If you'd read the RP sources discussing social proof, almost every one of them mentions Cialdini at least in passing, so you wouldn't have thought you're explaining some profound truth if you weren't going off of anti RP propaganda. It's pretty clear reall…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 05:32 PM
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Exactly, that's a whole different thing as I told the dude before he deleted his comment (it was deleted, right? Reddit gets fucky about stuff like that sometimes.)
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 05:29 PM
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but didn't exist before it in that form. I'm well aware of where it came from. Niel Strauss discusses it in his books. It took RP to apply a sales concept to women's attraction thresholds, which Robert Cialdini is probably on board with but sure as hell can't take credit for. Whuh... wh-y... uh, why don't any of you ever research anything beyond the propoganda, uh, hema? Because I'm damned certain you didn't get that info from the OG RP stuff that discussed it (and cited it). Otherwise it wouldn…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 05:23 PM
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Common sense is always obvious in hindsight. But before then it is often considered neither common nor sensible. As was the case with dating and how to meet women. You may not like the idea that RP changed that paradigm completely, that what's common sense now sure as hell wasn't so common then, but your preferences don't change the facts. Before RP came along, what we now call 'blue pill' - where only a minority of 'gold diggers' cared about wealth, very few women could identify physically appe…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 12:19 PM
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Yep, what you're describing is definitely one facet of the gem that is modern dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 12:15 PM
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Probably because this discussion is a simplistic example of what RP is. We haven't gotten into the concept of social proof, for example, another RP idea that makes perfect sense once it's explained and seems obvious, but didn't exist before it in that form. This is a short-form debate sub. Don't expect too much from it boss.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 12:14 PM
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You say that, so you must not have actually checked the link out. No, a woman cannot say the same thing, at least not without either deception or self-deception. The difference in how society treats men vs. women is stark. There's real bias out there boss, but against men, to a degree most feminists say women deal with but are disputed by a mountain of evidence. Which is probably why you don't trust the idea: the loudest complainers have been lying the whole time, so the message must be a lie. E…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 12:04 PM
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There's more movies out there where the nerd gets the girl than the opposite. Also, that's the point. There was no common sense answer before RP came along. That's why I laugh so much at these 'debates'. RP already won, y'all just arguing about the aftermath.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 11:56 AM
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Look, dude. Even back when pioneers would fuck off innawoods, they still needed other people and general access to survive; and generally speaking very few people have the mental capability to be immune to the culture around them. Nowadays we live in a society that has a very messed up view of men, and that's going to have some costs. You cannot expect men to just gut through it. Ain't gonna happen. There's real issues and 'whining' is often the only way to draw attention. If it bothers you, gue…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 11:53 AM
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Lol that's just it, no they didn't. Or if they did, they didn't talk about it and left a whole lot of young men (and young women too!) confused as fuck about things. Talking about back in the 80's-90's, there was a super mixed message being put out there. Free love in the 70's, 'man of the house' in the 60's, all kinds of cultural baggage to sift through. RP changed more about the culture than you realize boss.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 11:35 AM
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Yeah nah. Wrong in a couple of ways. I can remember what the conversation was like when RP wasn't mainstream, so believe me when I say that it is definitely mainstream now. Back in the day women were magic black boxes with no identifiable sexual preferences, and the officially documented answer from any woman you ask 'what do you like' was either 'I dunno' or blue pill bullshit like 'be nice, be funny, etc.' Nowadays both men and women are pretty fuckin' clear on the idea that the closer you are…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 11:29 AM
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I have knowingly fucked married women. And I was a shitbird for doing it. I stopped doing it, and I admit my own culpability. Yeah, those women were breaking their own vows, and yah, I hadn't made any such vows. Didn't matter. It's still problematic, even if you aren't 'officially' in the wrong. Now, I've also had sex with women who lied about being married. I ain't taking any credit for that bullshit. But those few times I went in eyes open? Yeah, never again. Because I didn't want to ever be t…
/r/MensRights30/06/22 11:17 AM
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Eh. The problem comes in not because people are 'self serving' but because they're short sighted and often end up working against their own self-interest. Because caring for others is also a self-serving act, when done right, and the type of tide that lifts all boats - if those efforts to help each other aren't parasitized by opportunists or special interests who can't see the bigger picture. Or just have a flawed view of it. It's more complicated than just "people only care about themselves" is…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 10:38 AM
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Never fix that typo, it's glorious
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 10:35 AM
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Eh. Cliches can be oft-repeated falsehoods, too. It goes both ways. Not this one particularly, but cliches in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 10:31 AM
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Hope you can see this through the nonsense comments I'm seeing posted. The reason is that there's a radical feminist group called "Art+Feminism" has been doing regular Wiki 'editothons' since around 2014, and that's just the most visible group. There are more. Larry Sanger, one of the founders of Wikipedia, himself is calling it 'badly biased' due to groups like that one. It is going to require organized action to counter the already existing special interest groups currently controlling the nar…
/r/MensRights29/06/22 09:03 PM
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Ok, let's make something clear. "Seek out some actual help" is a fucking cop-out. We have a critical shortage of qualified mental health care professionals. Aka, psychiatrists. They're filling in the gaps with therapists and psychiatric nurses for prescriptions, but frankly? That's bullshit. It's nowhere near enough. And those other professions really can't do the job right. Dealing with them is like having a real psychiatrist that's broken into piece, with the useful parts distributed in ways t…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 11:05 AM
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She says, ignoring the point and still not supporting her own claims That said, it's not like I particularly want you to. I'd feel compelled to read them, and if they're anything at all like most of the rest of the feminist propaganda I see posted here and there, I'd probably spend an hour or two debunking them with no effort on your part to see what the problem is and instead posting them again somewhere else; just repeating bad data until people believe you. Granted, you might not do that, but…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 07:04 PM
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Yes. Yes it has been debunked. Not its existence, no, but the idea that women are doing more of it than men - the difference is half an hour more, at most - and that it's unpaid. That's been debunked. First of all, women control over eighty percent of all commercial purchasing power. That includes things like cars, houses and vacations. Second, women, even married women, almost universally have larger savings accounts. Third, women benefit more from government services than they input in taxes, …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 06:49 PM
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MRA are incapable to put their pride aside to fight with women I think you have that backwards. r/Mensrights, along with a lot of other places, is pointing out the important fact that all this time abortions have been legal, almost zero effort has been made to try to address the imbalance in parental rights for men, especially as regarding the choice to be a parent during a pregnancy. So it's fairer to say that this is not an issue of pride for MRA's. Assume for the moment MRA's support abortion…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/06/22 06:24 PM
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Do you read your own links before posting them? The first pdf is a)mostly about Germany's taxes, such as VAT tax/pay-as-you-earn tax, with exactly zero real-world examples, statistics or useful references (checked the first three citations which were also bankrupt of any real data); the second focuses on class differences (wealth tax) which I'm in favor of, personally, but does so in a way that promotes all kinds of debunked bullshit like 'unpaid labor in the home', and again has no real data or…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 08:45 AM
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She says after making all kinds of biased claims herself
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 08:32 AM
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This message doesn't go far enough. I reject feminism because I support equality. It's not 'feminism doesn't monopolize equality' it's 'feminism is an ideology of hatred and supremacism; it is fundamentally anti-egalitarian.'
/r/AntiFeminists27/06/22 12:05 PM
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The primary anti-abortion lobbyist in Washington, the one who directly influenced Trump on this issue and has been pushing against abortion for over 20 years, is a woman. It's hard to say how much idiocy and ignorance you must possess to make a claim like 'men in power are behind this' when it was a woman in power who made it happen. Ironically most feminists bashing 'the Supreme Court' or 'Trump' or whomever don't even know the name Marjorie Dannenfelser. Or think a 'lobbyist' has no power. Thi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/06/22 09:46 AM
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No. You're not. You're just in a relationship with a man. A human with faults who is probably far less perfect than you're making out to be. And that's fine. Better, even, than tryin' to say you found the best one and you're better than other people for it. The better person is the one who finds an average partner and makes a great life out of it. Frankly, if your man is hot shit then you can just fuck off, because you got nothin relevant to say to anyone except 'win the lottery like me and you'…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/22 08:09 AM
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I don't get why y'all keep trying to say those two things are mutually exclusive. They're not. And they're both problems that men have dealing with women in the dating scene. You're already in a relationship, and you probably ain't dealing with that shit anyway when you were, so don't know why you're trying to stick your dick into it. So to speak. You should know better; you're an example, at least if you live up to your claims, of how it's done right. You got your man and you sticking with him.…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/22 08:02 AM
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Dunno if you've noticed, but men are largely in two camps here: either a)upset about how many men are completely locked out of sex and relationships, be it 'date 3' or 'date 40' or b)like me, upset that women are fucking and dodging as much or more than any Chad - with guys like me - with no loyalty or common sense applied to how they act. Same problem, two different sides of the coin. Y'all chasing the same dudes and acting fools over it. The solution isn't 'no sex' or 'keep him waiting for a y…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/22 07:50 AM
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Doubtful There are too many women who 'bring plenty' who actually don't and other women never called them out on it, so the message became utterly bland and meaningless. They're just words now, and the women who say them - like you - so often fail to understand what men need and want that pretty much the very act of saying 'I bring plenty' is proof that you don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/22 07:30 AM
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You really do belief the "women have it easy" trope? Trope? Are you for fucking real? Y'all do have it easy comparatively, you're just too neurotic and/or invested in the power victimhood gives you to know better. You just handwaved away actual facts about IUDs with the small minority of edge cases where it don't work right. Sure. Fine. For those women life's got more problems. But they sure as fuck ain't your problems, nor 'women's' problems, they're exceptions not the rule. 'Women have it easy…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/22 01:17 PM
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The hell she can't. I knew girls on the street could still plan B on command, and condoms are free if you know where to look. Maybe they can't all get IUDs and shit but you know a lot of them still manage to get them anyway. I saw girls in the shelter sorting their pills every morning before the 8 am kickout. couldn't fucking afford food without stamps but got BC pills. I don't know what you're on about here. And I seen poor girls in red states and blue states so don't tell me it's isolated. Can…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/22 01:03 PM
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Yeah, and we often do it even when our bodies ain't up to it too. Your point being?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/22 12:55 PM
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Logic. If Stacy wanted more sex, she could just get it. Assuming Stacy is logical, or anyone is, is ludicrous - the whole situation is illogical to begin with. It's all a mix of rational and irrational behavior, and yet the fact that there can be rational actions mixed in doesn't make the overall situation any better, in fact sometimes makes it worse; a rational self-interested reaction to an irrational situation can sometimes tilt it even further. Multiple potential reasons why 'Stacy' isn't ge…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/22 07:05 AM
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I want a list of those 200 studies. I want to go over them with a fine tooth comb. Not because I don't believe it's true, that I don't believe women are as violent and abusive, but because I do believe it and I'm tired of the lies; tired of the equivocations, like somehow men's violence is 'worse', tired of having my gender treated as the only reason violence exists. I have a few of those studies bookmarked, along with a few corroborating links, but it's never been enough to make the point for s…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/06/22 06:30 AM
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lol especially if you're spending a lot of time with/living with them you need more diplomacy with an ltr than you ever will with random strangers
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 09:58 AM
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Just 'cause it's 'straightforward' doesn't mean it's correct. Or sensible. Who's to say those women are in fact satisfied with that? They just disregard the other options, doesn't mean they're satisfied; it means they're painting themselves into a corner that makes themselves and the other men less satisfied because they're being stupid. They call it the 'sexual marketplace' because the problem is more of an economics one than a straight math problem. And in the regular marketplace, you get inef…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 08:52 AM
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That makes, like, zero sense You know women being this bad at math is just a stereotype, and generally a false one, right? You don't have to play up to it
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 03:43 AM
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Ok
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 01:43 AM
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I mean, women's in-group bias has been measured at a consistent 5.1:1 ratio across multiple studies and contexts, so yeah y'all kinda do act like a hive mind for the most part. Defending each other when sometimes behavior is sheer indefensible. Personally I think that's a cultural quirk and not biological determinism, but either way it exists. But I know you don't have to do that and there are women out there who buck the trend and prefer truth and not being douchebags over defending the sisterh…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 01:34 AM
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See now you're getting so pissed you're missing typos. Take a breath, and instead of getting all dead set on being personally offended and therefore needing to prove us wrong, maybe see what we're seeing and start calling out your sisters. Doesn't have to be about you when we're talking about toxic women, and they ain't doing you any favors neither.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 01:25 AM
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You clearly were personally insulted. Why even try to deny it? It's right there. Better to lean in and try to come to some kind of balance than to gaslight like none of this shit is in the permanent record here. And frankly none of those are 'fantasies'. Those are people we've met, we're just describing them lol
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 01:19 AM
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You're the one saying that men consider that shit 'unfeminine'. I'm saying it don't matter who does it, that shit ends relationships and is just general bad behavior. If you take that as a personal insult, then maybe check yourself because if you feel called out, well...
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 01:11 AM
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I'm responding to the sentiment you presented, not any actual knowledge of your situation. It ain't weird, it's you reading me wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 12:03 AM
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Frankly, fail that that too much and everything goes to shit regardless of how 'masculine' or 'feminine' you are. You seriously go around IRL wearing a resting bitch face, arguing and telling your man how wrong he is all the time? Or girl for that matter? That's how relationships fail, don't care what the 'dynamic' is. Reserve that shit for random internet strangers you don't care about. If you doing it it your partner I fear for you, man or woman
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/22 11:57 PM
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It's entirely possible. One thing that seems to blow women's minds and they consider it freakish and unnatural is that guys can and often do go years without sex. I can't tell you how many times I've had that conversation with women and they're like "I don't have sex a lot" and I go "when was the last time" and they say "almost two months ago" and I'm like wtf, I have a buddy who's on his ten year badge now. When I was working street teams and had a band that did paid gigs regular, I was managin…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/22 06:10 AM
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False. “These surveys have reached many tens of thousands of people, and each has shown internally consistent results over time,” the authors note. “We therefore believe that this article provides more definitive estimates about the prevalence of female sexual perpetration than has been provided in the literature to date. Taken as a whole, the reports we examine document surprisingly significant prevalence of female-perpetrated sexual victimization, mostly against men and occasionally against wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/22 05:25 AM
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No he fucking does not, he looks fine. And that's what a 22 year old graduate looks like, take a camera onto a college campus and snap some reference photos for crying out loud
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/22 03:45 AM
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Are you nuts? He was 22 for fuck's sake and looked like one Sure there are 30 year olds that look like that too but did you even higher education? Maybe take some photos in case your memory was shitty? Because that's what a 22 year old graduate student writing articles as a young professional fuckin' looks like, it's like he was fucking cast in the role after serious consideration instead of just being the actual guy the movie was based off of
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/22 03:42 AM
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SAY IT BACK why is that hard "Yeah boy you gorgeous too I like your smile" then you move on to other shit. Take control of the conversation if you ain't talking about what you want to talk about, so talk about that Show initiative for fuck's sake that's how you respond, stop using lazy excuses like 'I don't know what to say if a boy says I'm pretty' god knows you should have had enough time to think of something by this point For fuck's sake this is embarrassing I am embarrassed on your behalf
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/22 03:35 AM
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Yah no gonna have to call bullshit on that one. I know for a fact most of the women I dated eventually wanted more sex than I did. And I dated plenty of women and have a perfectly normal sex drive, I could go for years with sex every other day but fr fr that's enough to get me complaints about not being interested. On top of being randomly propositioned, having my dick grabbed and shit while I was working bar, y'all freaks when you get two drinks that are 90% sugar water in you not gonna lie. Yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/22 03:24 AM
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Let me stop you right there. You've been talking with guys who were on the losing end of the social game. I'm a man who was sexually assaulted, propositioned, cheated with, had women proposition me openly in front of their boyfriends, had my dick grabbed on multiple occasions, been lied to by women who were actually married and once even loaned me her husband's car without telling him or me, and a shitload more of some of the worst behavior - behavior I have never really seen from men; behavior …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/22 03:03 AM
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It's not something based in reasoning; it's purely emotional, so I don't know what to tell you if you don't feel the same way. It's simply that I really don't like to be told what to do, by anyone, never have at any point even as a child and age has only slightly mellowed me out; and on the same token, someone following my own suggestions is very flattering. I don't understand wanting to be led, at all - by men or women - so I have to process my understanding of people in a different way than yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/22 01:24 PM
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First: what you're saying about men having all the power was almost never true; that's just bad historic revisionism. And in the few periods where that was the case, it was generally isolated to the most visible portion - i.e., the wealthy and literate - while the gen pop did what they always did, manage the best they could in a world trying very hard to kill them. Second, regardless of whether that ever were the case or not, it certainly isn't now. And while you can point fingers at our grandpa…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 12:26 PM
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I agree with everything you're saying, except the starting point. 'Shit begets shit' indeed, but that started when men were seen as shit and treated like it. What's happening now is backlash, and again men aren't driving this bus so any backlash is purely reactionary. Women are the gatekeepers, and they're doing a godawful job of it, largely because of exactly what you're saying might happen to men already being true in what happens to women. There's a perfect example of you being right, if you …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 06:16 AM
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Dating is very dangerous for women" Bias.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 02:24 AM
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That's exactly what you're doing here, criticizing much of the reasoning behind MGTOW, yet you say you won't call them out? They're MGTOW because their experience led them to the conclusion that women are largely untrustworthy. The fact that you've been married 20 years should mean you understand what it takes, at least in some part, to maintain such a relationship. Step one being loyalty, something modern women have had largely "just dump his ass"'d out of them, and step two being respect for m…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 02:22 AM
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You say that now, but in a few hundred thousand years or so you'll be sad it wasn't 73 virgins I promise you
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/22 02:09 PM
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It's an eternal reward, you'll get around to number 72 eventually
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/22 12:04 PM
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(S)he says to a crowd half of whom watched Kevin Samuels
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/22 09:58 AM
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Source? I thought Britain had us beat.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/22 09:56 AM
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Not all of them though. I'm a dude who can still pull even in my late 40's and I see this as a net negative, and have for decades, seeing what happened to the guys around me. I can tell you now you seriously want to look out for your fellow man, or it will cost you. There's all kinds of knock-on effects to this imbalance you don't want in your town.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/22 09:54 AM
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Bias. Who's saying those virgins aren't perfectly decent dudes?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/22 09:50 AM
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That's unreasonable. You have untrustworthy behavior running wild, and beyond that, a cultural environment that encourages untrustworthy behavior from women, and it's men's fault for finding you less and less trustworthy? Now, there's something to be said for the pygmalion effect - which is what you're talking about - and also, what you didn't mention as a counterargument, there's a lot more to be said about judging individuals on the actions of the collective not being always wise. But again, t…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/22 09:38 AM
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You're not getting it. The reason men are upset isn't because they don't value more from women than 'holes', it's that they do value more and aren't getting it. Such things require a foundation of loyalty, trust and acceptance that women are simply not offering men. Not that I blame women entirely - there's a massive pressure to 'dump him' if there's any excuse to. There's not enough counterpressure to stay put for women to have any incentive to not look for better whenever they can. There's a p…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/22 12:43 AM
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No - men decide what they value, but women decide what they offer. The real problem though is that it's not decided individually, but as an odd mix of individual and collective action. Which means that if, as OP pointed out, the odds are the relationship will end at some point in some part because woman are using men as stepping stones, then that makes many of the other things men would value - love notes, small favors done out of caring, companionship, etcetera - suspect. OP isn't mad because w…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/22 11:36 PM
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That's what I'm saying. No you can't anticipate that. For fuck's sake, there's an entire industry within pharmacology for that exact issue. And before that, 'Ancient Chinese Remedies(TM)", which involved eating things like ground up elephant tusk or tiger balls. And it's not just an old people problem either. A lot of guys have real issues performing when they're inexperienced; the 'first time' being especially tricky, where it's not unheard of to be too anxious to get it up at all. Furthermore,…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 07:41 AM
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Just because prejudice is couched in gentle language does not mean it's not prejudice. Penises all pretty much work the same No. This is something both men and women believe, despite abundant evidence to the contrary. It kind of blows my mind that you can encounter men who don't like blowjobs, men who detest anal, men who prefer anal, men who are circumcised and men who aren't, men who are gay, different sizes, different shapes, and then go on to say, with complete conviction, that all penises w…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 12:51 AM
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I wonder how this bitch would handle it if she were to be force-fed stories of women being abusive, prejudicial, evil fucks every day. It wouldn't be hard to do, there's literally an uncountable number of new stories of some woman pulling shit every day - just like men. The day would be over before you read them all if they were all collated into one news feed. Wonder how long it'd take her to start repeating 'but we're not all like that' if the media started pushing that narrative instead.
/r/AntiFeminists14/06/22 11:19 AM
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Noped right out of the article at 'aspirational masculinity'. And no, the author did not admit that 'toxic masculinity' was harmful language. She pushed the usual academic feminist definition of it without acknowledging how it's actually used. Read: hate speech. She only goes so far as to say that shouldn't define her boys; what she does not do is recognize the intrinsic foulness of the term itself. The heavy weight of bias and misandry it represents. She thinks it's perfectly valid, just not fo…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/06/22 10:44 AM
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Oh it very much is. To the extent that I refuse to 'date' any woman I'm not already in a relationship with. Putting in the kind of effort expected by women from a date with a stranger, or even a casual acquaintance, is absurd.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/22 07:04 AM
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What you're seeing, that self-enforced isolation, isn't merely self-enforced. There's a lot of bias men have to deal with. And there's another thing too. Try to think back to all the times someone called you, reached out to you, tried - maybe succeeded - in making friends, asking you to hang out or whatever. Guys often don't get that. If they're going to go do things, it often has to be self-generated - and that's where bias affects things the hardest, because it's much harder to reach out than …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/22 05:26 PM
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The way that usually works is the school was a local college that got reorganized into a university. The actual physical location is probably older than that, just the name changed (and it came into enough money to step up). Could have been just new, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/22 04:48 PM
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Sure, the way you view the world can totally change your experience of it. Just ask any psychopath. But the problem for those of us that live with relative sanity is that the people pushing the 'change your perceptions' message often use that to cover or ignore very real problems - external problems - and blame the victim. "It's your attitude bro, that's why your life sucks."
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/22 04:42 PM
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Yeah there is, because she isn't calling out right wing or libertarian women. It's still sexist, just with a dose of exceptionalism ("there are guys that are better than you, stop being such a man.")
/r/AntiFeminists04/06/22 05:49 PM
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10 years? Try 40 years. This is hardly a new problem. The only thing new is it being more clearly identified.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/22 12:22 PM
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Let's be clear here, their value in a relationship often doesn't amount to more than that, but their value as human beings is quite higher. At 35 they're often working, with a career, etcetera; they'll usually have friends and social interests, maybe volunteer, or do other things much as men do. Their societal worth can be as high or higher than men's. It's only in the context of how they're relating to men that they tend to be less valuable. And that is largely caused by a)bias against men and …
/r/MensRights01/06/22 12:21 PM
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I did return interest to the one boy at 17. He was my junior year "boyfriend." No. He wanted sexual, you did not. That is NOT 'returning interest.' That is USING HIM. As long as you're not spreading STD's or getting people, yes date multiple women. No reason to commit if you're just approaching random women with a 1/100 chance. If you barely know them, you barely know them. Only spend your time if you really like them. As a woman, I did the same. It's not unfair, it's how the decision making pro…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 12:23 PM
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It's not long. Recovery after one pregnancy is about 3 months. STD testing properly takes about 3 months. These are normal dry spells that people need to be able to get through at times in life. I thought you said finding a partner was hard for men? But y'all feel like you're having mtiole opportunities every few months? That's better than I did in my prime! Let me introduce a concept called compounded cost. If an apple costs ten dollars, then you may be spending more for that apple than you sho…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 11:48 AM
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Nah, most 20 year old women aren't out pumping and dumping guys. Come on. You know this, right? It can't be just me who sees this? "hookup culture." That phrase exists now. I'm sure being jilted is painful. I've felt it myself. I get it, and I do have compassion. Cool. So then have compassion for the men who won't put up with being on a back burner for more than a week or two. Look, I think what you're reaching for is the idea that men and women might know each other for much longer than the tim…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 11:01 AM
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Ah, of course, men NEVER lie. Lmfao. Sorry that's not the case. Of course men do. But what you're missing is that, generally, even casual sex is a pain in the ass to get, much less commitment, for men. That's why it matters in this discussion that women are the gatekeepers. With some exceptions, men are pretty incentivized not to leave a relationship. If men were in the same position as women, they'd be just as likely to keep women on a hook by pretending interest; but they usually (though not a…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 09:55 AM
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You can say it all day long and it still won't be true. Waiting indicates gamesmanship. It is, usually, toxic behavior in playing off sexuality for attention without intending to ever have an adult relationship. When a woman actually wants a man she usually doesn't hesitate, especially if that man has interest from other women, but even without that. And high-n happens when she starts out a relationship fine but can't maintain them, or chooses partners who are clearly not interested in commitmen…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 09:28 AM
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Nope, not in my book Well, there you go. But remember that most relationships are ended by the woman, often for trivial reasons. That's a factor too in figuring out when high-n indicates problematic behavior. Most people I know wait at least a couple months Uh. No. In fact every 'silver anniversary' couple I know - and I know many - all had a pretty whirlwind romance at the beginning. That's just how people work, unless you're in a culture where chaperones and arranged marriages are a thing. And…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 09:16 AM
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Low n count and high sexuality is when you stay with the person you have sex with. The biggest thing about high n with women, just as with men, is that it shows they can't commit. Though men get points for the difficulty of it, most women - and men - typically have far less respect for those men than for the ones that somehow manage the shocking feat of not quitting on a partner. Same goes for women, but with the extra proviso that it's really not all that hard for women to scratch that itch com…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 09:02 AM
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The assumptions in this. Let's correct this. It is entirely possible, and indeed the usual case, that long-lasting relationships start with a sexual relationship pretty early in the arrangement. Unless they were childhood friends or similar, that's how it works. And in fact if you're in a relationship for more than a few weeks and that hasn't happened, the culprit is usually gamesmanship or misaligned expectations - one person only wants a friend or attention. That's how it's worked in our cultu…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 08:52 AM
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Uh. I think I have repeatedly said that men gatekeeping just one thing and women another isn't reality. And I have set that one (or the other, if hyper-successful) is the gatekeeper for both. It all comes down to options. If you have options, then someone else can't gatekeep you; you have other gates to go through. And conversely you may be able to gatekeep others. If the options aren't there or are unreasonably difficult, though, then you can be the subject of gatekeeping. Since adult relations…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 07:15 AM
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That's simply not accurate. One gender absolutely can gatekeep both, and does. This is all on a societal level, individual exceptions abound, but with that caveat in mind the problem clearly exists.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 07:02 AM
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I kind of hate this type of reasoning. No offense to you OP, I'm not saying I hate you, but this is a cultural blind spot for us. We can see other cultures such as China and parts of Europe that have the right answer to this (if the wrong answer about other stuff, but such is life.) How do you be both a) a stable type of guy or a girl looking for long term and b) get the 'casual sex' treatment, aka no gatekeeping bullshit, chase-me games, friendzoning, etcetera? Simple. Sex comes with an expecta…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 06:42 AM
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That's only distantly related to the point, which is that adult relationships - lovers, life partners, marriage, variants of same - involve sex. Sure friendships are a type of relationship, but so is being an enemy or a work colleague. The context I use 'relationship' in here is the common one referring to adult relationships specifically.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 06:28 AM
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We don't have arranged marriages anymore, fucking is pretty much the gateway to a relationship in the first place You're saying the same thing Kevin Samuels did, and one of the few things he was wrong about. Men don't gate keep relationships while women gate keeps sex. Unless you have enough options as a man to be the gatekeeper instead, which is rare but is the type of man women hyperfocus on in the first place. But mostly it's women gatekeeping both.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 05:40 AM
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Men want to mate with nearly every woman, women need to be much more selective in their dating strategies You know, this argument creates cognitive dissonance when paired with "but guys don't aktully want ugly girls or they'd have more dates" argument. Not saying you made that argument here, but I'll bet you nodded along with it at some point. Whatever seems like a good reason to not accept that women are the ones with behavioral and selectivity issues is fair game. I know, I know, objection spe…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/22 05:20 AM
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I could linkwall you with video evidence of women terrorizing men and each other. But that's not the point of this, is it? You wouldn't care, because you don't really believe what you're saying in the first place. You just want to attack and not be blamed for it. Frankly, you seem like exactly the same kind of bully as the group of girls who beat up another girl until she suicided last month, which is one of those videos in the linkwall. But maybe you didn't get the chance to do something like t…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/22 08:15 PM
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Do I think it does? I know it does. I watched from the sidelines as a woman murder a child of a friend and her son was the only one charged, though later cleared. For women to be included in those statistics, they first have to be found suspect. Bias plays a massive role in that, much as you'd like to pretend it doesn't exist. No. Women are not more likely to, at the least, suffer serious injury at the hands of men; that statistic indicates near-parity. Which really shouldn't come as a surprise.…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/22 12:04 PM
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