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| 13 | Henry Cavill's Witcher series: A female writer smears him of being "disrespectful" and "toxic" to women, being a "toxic gamer", and cries about him refusing to take his shirt off for themThe thing about "fantasies" is that both sexes want to be attractive to the opposite sex, so of course they'll fantasise about being what the other sex likes. Men fantasise about looking a certain way because women like the way it looks. Women fantasise about looking a certain way because men like the way it looks. Feminists exploit this by selectively focusing on the fact that men want to look chiseled and claiming that makes it a "male power fantasy", but that fantasy exists because women like… | /r/MensRights | 18/12/22 05:16 PM |
| 5 | Online Men's Groups Science Study: Come Test your Scientific KnowledgeWell, this was fun. My score: You had between 90% and 100% correct answers! Congratulations, the quiz questions were tested on science education professionals (such as high school biology teachers), and you performed as well as they did! | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/11/22 08:59 AM |
| 3 | Society needs to stop treating men being raped in jail as a joke."noun fem·i·nism | \ ˈfe-mə-ˌni-zəm \ Definition : belief in and advocacy of the political, economic, and social equality of the sexes expressed especially through organized activity on behalf of women's rights and interests" You clearly didn't understand the point I made. The dictionary does not prescribe the meanings of words. Hence, it's fallacious to claim that, because the dictionary says so, therefore it is so. The meaning of a word derives from how it's commonly used and the dictionary … | /r/MensRights | 20/11/22 05:32 AM |
| 4 | Society needs to stop treating men being raped in jail as a joke.No. You're using a strawman argument and contrived a definition of "Feminism" favorable to your agenda, rather than accepting its meaning of supporting gender equality for women. Equality. I would dispute this definition as being an accurate description of feminism in any way. It is extremely misleading. The idea that underpins the entirety of feminist activism is "male dominance, exploitation and oppression of women". The repeated feminist attempts to paint themselves as being a gender equality… | /r/MensRights | 20/11/22 04:57 AM |
| 4 | Society needs to stop treating men being raped in jail as a joke.I think "patriarchy" as feminists define it is a fantasy, but if you think "patriarchy" hampers acknowledgement of male victimisation, then by your definition feminism is in support of patriarchal ideas. | /r/MensRights | 20/11/22 04:37 AM |
| 2 | Society needs to stop treating men being raped in jail as a joke.And again, your claim that the "cultural and historical frame of reference" might be so unique so as to justify excluding male victims of rape from consideration is without merit and should not be considered as being cogent argumentation. The null hypothesis is to be assumed in the absence of evidence. The burden is on you, and on the feminists claiming that the law will significantly harm women. If you've failed to demonstrate it, I can call you out on that. so I have no opinion on it, other th… | /r/MensRights | 20/11/22 03:37 AM |
| 3 | Society needs to stop treating men being raped in jail as a joke.Like I said, India's legal procedures don't work the way ours do, so I'm not going to accept an article's claim in a vacuum. And I'm not going to accept a claim made by motivated activist groups as being true without any real evidence or coherent argumentation outside of gesticulating wildly at vague claims of potential harm (and not weighing that potential harm against the benefits of that policy). Just because male supremacists make a claim doesn't mean it's true... That's the reverse of your … | /r/MensRights | 20/11/22 03:22 AM |
| 2 | Society needs to stop treating men being raped in jail as a joke.India's standard of probable cause and due process aren't what we're used to and until that changes, they might have valid concerns about being cross-charged, as a way to pressure the victim into withdrawing her complaint. "Might". Just because feminists make claims doesn't mean that it has validity. Anyone can talk until they're blue in the face about the possibility of something, but until someone demonstrates to me that it is a real risk it shouldn't be taken seriously. There's also the clear… | /r/MensRights | 20/11/22 03:10 AM |
| 3 | Society needs to stop treating men being raped in jail as a joke.that the rationale for excluding men from the staturory definition of rape is that file will file cross-charges: This is the rationale they offered up, yes. However, to assume that it has any validity to it without any substantiation being offered that this is a salient risk is incredibly ridiculous. You claim "Their legal system and societal structure aren't modelled on the U.S. system" but this does not mean that they are justified in making this claim. Without any evidence provided that this … | /r/MensRights | 20/11/22 02:53 AM |
| 5 | Society needs to stop treating men being raped in jail as a joke.You've just admitted that feminism is the patriarchy, since feminism is a massive obstacle to male victimisation and female perpetration being recognised. Here are examples of feminist groups fighting against gender-neutral rape laws in India, Nepal and Israel. "Gender just, gender sensitive and not gender neutral rape laws," is what women's groups, human rights groups and activists are demanding. https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Activists-join-chorus-against-gender-neutral-rape-laws/ar… | /r/MensRights | 20/11/22 01:40 AM |
| 36 | A recent experience with the gender empathy gap and its potential for unseen impactI'd also add here that pretty much all of the time, the people who push the idea that "women have it worse" are bullshitting. The tactics involved usually are: (1) Hyper-focus on any instances of female disadvantage and ignore male disadvantages and obligations. (2) If people challenge that by providing examples of the very male disadvantages you are trying to ignore, use the "benevolent sexism" rationalisation and render your hypotheses unfalsifiable by defining every single inequality that neg… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/11/22 04:37 AM |
| 3 | What hobbies got you out of loneliness in your late 20s?Huh! Didn't think I'd find someone else who did music production in MR/LWMA circles. "Arty" pastimes are usually dominated by wokes. | /r/MenSupportMen | 03/11/22 09:41 PM |
| 11 | Is There A ‘Right To Sex’? | Krystal Kyle & Friends PodcastIt induces demand overnight for which supply is relatively tight even if legalized. Basic economic theory is that the market is always going to find an equilibrium wherein quantity demanded equals quantity supplied. Increased demand for that labour simply represents a rightward shift in the demand curve which means the wage in the profession would rise. It does not mean that there will be a permanent disequilibrium which can only be solved by sex trafficking. Many sex workers enjoy it. Many do i… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/10/22 07:26 AM |
| 6 | LWMA LoungeMe too. It's infantilizing and gross. As a woman, I can tell you a lot of us hear this shit growing up. If we don't hear it directly from family, we'll hear it among friends, in schools, etc. It gets parroted without thought just like any other toxic opinion or political belief you're surrounded by as a kid, but no one wants to acknowledge how harmful it is. Yeah that kind of rhetoric is just the feminist lobby's method of intensifying and weaponising female fear to an almost histrionic extreme … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/10/22 08:03 AM |
| 2 | "ENOUGH" - UK Gov pulls a Gillette (yes, *another* one)Firstly, even assuming that I accept the "disparities in outcomes by sex" argument, I'd say size and strength differences are likely what prevents the outcomes from equalising, it's not because the violence itself is particularly gendered or because men are inclined somehow to perpetrate more severe forms of domestic violence than women do. This almost certainly has nothing to do with inclinations and shouldn't inform treatment programs at all. Secondly, in DV, women are also more likely to be t… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/10/22 07:31 AM |
| 4 | "ENOUGH" - UK Gov pulls a Gillette (yes, *another* one)Okay, glad we can agree on that. The point is merely that men are not more inclined to engage in domestic violence, and that violence in the home does not share the characteristics of violence outside the home. People's inclinations are context-dependent, and so using a general model for treatment in order to manage a specific subset of violence (domestic violence in this case) probably won't work very well because these prevention methods are not appropriately tailored towards the type of viole… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/10/22 07:06 AM |
| 5 | "ENOUGH" - UK Gov pulls a Gillette (yes, *another* one)Your claim has already been refuted. Making it again does not substantiate your point. Your idea that since men are more directly aggressive (I'd note that this is mostly directed towards other men in a public context), they will also be more directly aggressive in a domestic context, is simply incorrect. This is basically implying that violence outside the home can be extrapolated to violence in the home and it's basically a composition fallacy wherein one lumps two very dissimilar forms of vio… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/10/22 06:47 AM |
| 62 | Women are more critical of female toplessness than men (but don't worry, it's men's fault anyway)Though, tf you want to get into the really nasty parts of where women are (co)championing oppression you get into fields like FGM where it is often women who perform the procedures... Yeah, completely contradictory to the feminist view of FGM, women seem to be the primary driver behind it. Baumeister and Twenge note in their excellent article regarding cultural suppression of female sexuality: "Who supports and perpetuates these practices of female genital surgery? The available evidence points … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/10/22 04:29 PM |
| 5 | Why do that even bother THEM?In human trials, both men and women are extensively tested before any medication can ever be considered safe for public use. Laws do not allow for anything else to happen. Men are sometimes the first to be tested (or male animals preferred in preliminary testing) because female menstrual cycles interfere with replication of results. But that does not mean women are tested "less" than men in any situation of which I am aware. Yeah, the idea that women have been excluded from clinical trials is a … | /r/MensRights | 07/10/22 11:18 AM |
| 1 | LWMA LoungeSo, I was directed by a Reddit user to Sherry Hamby's criticisms of the CTS and CTS2 and their results of gender symmetry, as well as the promotion of her own survey measure of partner violence (the Partner Victimisation Scale) which purports to solve the supposed "issues" with CTS studies and demonstrate greater female victimisation in IPV. I was asked to look into it, and to detail what I think. I have already done some reading of her criticisms, and have found them to be fairly lacking. Addit… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/09/22 04:51 AM |
| 5 | If "pussy" and "bitch" are sexist words, why are "dick" and "bastard" not also?4/4 Feminism has become so popular that I don’t think you can really claim to know what all feminists think. It’s like saying “America doesn’t have any values anymore”, which is just about the most general thing you can say. I don’t know where these feminists are that are enforcing masculine roles on men, but there is plenty of reason to believe a large number of feminists don’t do this and want men and women to be more or less be who they actually want to be, whether that means being more tradi… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/09/22 08:26 PM |
| 3 | If "pussy" and "bitch" are sexist words, why are "dick" and "bastard" not also?3/4 But the findings are not all positive for women, she adds. “Most leadership roles require more agency than communion and the lesser ambition, aggressiveness and decisiveness ascribed to women than men are a disadvantage in relation to leadership.” Yes, the author sure seems to believe that women are at a disadvantage in relation to leadership and offers up this conjecture to reconcile the findings with her ideas. However, there's plenty of real-world evidence against the idea that women are … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/09/22 08:25 PM |
| 3 | If "pussy" and "bitch" are sexist words, why are "dick" and "bastard" not also?2/4 Okay but what about your acknowledgement that there are some cultures that are “anti-women” also positively viewing women? Don’t you think that there are cases where people claiming to view women positively don’t practice what they preach? I stated that they're perceived as anti-women, not that they are. I actually don't agree with that characterisation of these cultures. Perhaps benevolent sexism explains a type of cognitive dissonance that people have, where they may say that they view wom… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/09/22 08:22 PM |
| 3 | If "pussy" and "bitch" are sexist words, why are "dick" and "bastard" not also?1/4 In the study, Author Peter Glick argues that "although male dominance creates hostile sexist attitudes that demean women, intimate interdependence generates benevolent sexism (or BS): subjectively positive attitudes that simultaneously idealize but subordinate women as men’s dependents” Benevolent sexism is nothing other than a word game attempting to reinterpret sexism against men as being a product of misogyny. Giving special treatment to men - "sexism" (against women) or "misogyny" Giving… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/09/22 08:18 PM |
| 4 | If "pussy" and "bitch" are sexist words, why are "dick" and "bastard" not also?3/3 For the record I think we ALSO have a societal problem that leaves men behind and forces "masculine" expectations on them, but those are things that even feminism addresses and wants to change, just like good-faith male advocates want to. Quite frankly, feminists have been hugely enforcing the masculine role on men (shield women even at cost to yourself) while purporting to be in favour of gender abolition. What are feminists asking of men? Men should intervene when they see other men being … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/09/22 10:37 AM |
| 4 | If "pussy" and "bitch" are sexist words, why are "dick" and "bastard" not also?2/3 So what about phrases like "hit like a girl" or "women are overly emotional"? Those are classic examples of biases against women and they absolutely connect to the "pussy" insult. The former phrase is predominantly used (in my experience) to shame male weakness, so it is a phrase whose purpose is to keep men in check. If you argue "it invalidates women though", it is true anyway. It is grounded in biological reality. Women are physically weaker and significantly at that. It seems fair to vie… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/09/22 10:27 AM |
| 4 | If "pussy" and "bitch" are sexist words, why are "dick" and "bastard" not also?1/3 I disagree. We ascribe innate value to BOTH men and women. People perceive men as having "masculine" traits like physical strength, logical reason/fortitude, and other "manly" attributes, but that doesn't mean we see men as "disposable", we see them as "capable", and many view women as "not capable". What I mean is that women are viewed as people who have more innate value, as in their lives are valued more which is supported by the majority of the academic evidence & is also seen in war whe… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/09/22 10:18 AM |
| 9 | If "pussy" and "bitch" are sexist words, why are "dick" and "bastard" not also?Yes, I agree entirely. I'm simply using "kid gloves" in the manner in which it's usually used: careful and delicate treatment of someone. (context: the origin of "kid gloves" relates not to children but actually relates to actual gloves made from the skin of a young goat, or "kidskin", which was supposedly a soft leather.) | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/09/22 01:40 AM |
| 17 | If "pussy" and "bitch" are sexist words, why are "dick" and "bastard" not also?A lot of men are called “bitches” or “pussies” when they do something that’s “weak” or “girly”. I’m not sure if this equivalent happens with girls. Like when are the male terms used as an insult to women? It seems to only go one way on that front. Does this matter? Maybe. Not sure. It doesn't reflect a bias against women or femininity, as women are not mocked for presenting femininely. Instead, behind this lies the idea that men can never truly be women which results in the greater rigidity of m… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/09/22 12:41 AM |
| 43 | If "pussy" and "bitch" are sexist words, why are "dick" and "bastard" not also?To be frank, it's very hard for me not to see this as motivated reasoning meant to portray gender-specific insults as they apply to women as being "misogynistic" while dismissing gender-specific insults used against men as being comparatively trivial. This argument basically has to omit the fact that "dick" and "prick" carries connotations "pussy" doesn't either. If the argument is instead that it's more derogatory to call someone timid ("pussy") than stupid, mean or contemptible ("prick/dick"),… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 12/09/22 11:39 PM |
| 88 | If "pussy" and "bitch" are sexist words, why are "dick" and "bastard" not also?Yes, I've seen this too. It's one of these things that mildly annoy me. I am not of the opinion that gender-specific insults are necessarily "problematic", but it's very noticeable that people take umbrage at gender-specific insults aimed at women and not those aimed at men. The only answer I can really come up with to explain this selective concern is that people are painfully inconsistent with their moral evaluations of things, and we're pretty much geared towards accommodating women's special… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 12/09/22 08:14 PM |
| 3 | "Most politicians are men"To that, I'd say that I think focusing on pictures on Google Images is a mistake. If you look at the articles these pictures are taken from, many of them are taken from contemporary articles of extremely questionable credibility (e.g. Bored Panda, demilked, Buzzfeed, etc) and which only focus on a handful of posters for outrage-baiting purposes. It's impossible to claim that this is a fair and impartial representation of what was happening back then. The preponderance of these images are far mor… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 01/09/22 11:52 AM |
| 3 | "Most politicians are men"Oh, yes. This fucking thread from years ago. I remember it, and I'm not exactly thrilled that I've been brought back to this comment, but I'll address this: I don't want to go into all the evidence that shows that anti suffragists were mainly concerned with women's gender roles and domestic responsibilities, as anyone can google and read up on historic literature for themselves if they're actually curious. But my question is this: could men who were too physically disabled to be drafted also vot… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 01/09/22 08:46 AM |
| 6 | Why is modern feminism critiqued as a hate group?Here is Karen Straughan's YouTube channel. https://www.youtube.com/user/girlwriteswhat There is actually a video of hers which quite eloquently addresses the question you're asking in the body text of your post. It's called "How feminism conned society". Here is the link to that. https://youtu.be/RozEFVPDxeg Here's a transcript of that video on her blog, if you prefer reading over watching videos (as I do). http://owningyourshit.blogspot.com/2012/03/transcript-of-how-feminism-conned.html | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/08/22 10:03 AM |
| 8 | "Most politicians are men"This is just lazy reasoning. One way to challenge it is by saying that's just an ascription of intent and has nothing to do with the truth of the claim. "You just want to X" statements are utterly useless in discussion, they're often simply an attempt at mind-reading passed off as an argument. You can only challenge a claim by attacking its accuracy, you don't challenge a claim by insinuating (baselessly) that the person making it has ulterior motives. The other way you could challenge it is to … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/08/22 04:02 AM |
| 6 | LWMA LoungeBut here’s the thing, just like these men take on these jobs because there’s a payment, you can also argue that women used to have children because they also had a vested interest in doing so. Agreed. I actually edited my previous comment to include a similar point, which you might not have seen. It’s a game they play because they have the power to do so. Most men are happy to shrug it off or even tag along because their desire for approval, companionship and family guides their every interactio… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/08/22 03:35 AM |
| 7 | LWMA LoungeYeah, I’m sure all those women past their fertile years were much more necessary to the continuity of our species than the young men left to freeze while they had a ticket out of a certain death for being the right gender. It's hypocrisy to the point of ridiculousness, anyway, since feminists would not accept these kinds of arguments when biology and evolutionary logic works against what they want. This is basically special pleading to the max, trying to argue in favour of women's special privil… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/08/22 02:11 AM |
| 8 | LWMA LoungeToday this came to my attention. A newspaper article outlining what suffragettes thought about men's sacrifice on the Titanic. I saw the quote on MR, then looked it up to see if it was legit. And yep, it is. https://oregonnews.uoregon.edu/lccn/sn83025138/1912-04-18/ed-1/seq-3/ Reported in The Morning Oregonian, April 18, 1912: SUFFRAGE LEADERS TEMPER LAUDATION Little Credit Given to Men for Heroism in Dying to Save Women. ACTION TAKEN AS NATURAL Annie Kenney and Sylvia Pankhurst Refuse to Admit … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/08/22 10:18 AM |
| 3 | Why is inter-partner violence treated as gender violence when the partners are heterosexual (or, in the case of many feminists, when the man specifically is the violent one)? Isn't it just a dispute between two close people who happen to be of opposite genders due to their sexual preferences?2/2 There is a historical precedent for men controlling women through violence, reference regularly in biblical and other religious texts. This doesn't discount the fact that women were also still violent throughout history, just that male violence was an endorsed form of coercive control. I actually did some of my own primary research into the historical treatment of wife-beating. There seems to be a perception, widely held among the public and often even among academics, that before the modern… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/08/22 08:47 AM |
| 4 | Why is inter-partner violence treated as gender violence when the partners are heterosexual (or, in the case of many feminists, when the man specifically is the violent one)? Isn't it just a dispute between two close people who happen to be of opposite genders due to their sexual preferences?1/2 The Duluth model became monolithic due to its efficacy. Firstly, I want to note that gender symmetry in domestic violence is a very replicable finding. Fiebert's bibliography of studies "examines 286 scholarly investigations: 221 empirical studies and 65 reviews and/or analyses, which demonstrate that women are as physically aggressive, or more aggressive, than men in their relationships with their spouses or male partners. The aggregate sample size in the reviewed studies exceeds 371,600." … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/08/22 08:42 AM |
| 2 | This is getting a lot of media coverage: "Briton Asher-Smith calls for more research into how periods affect performance" "I feel like if it was a men's issue there would be a million different ways to combat things." I'm not convinced at all: lots of men's issues are ignored to some extent.With the first article, you are making a grim mistake. The article is not differentiating between research on women and research on female reproduction- which you can't deny is more complex and dependent on research than male reproduction. The article is actually commonly used in academia as an example of why you need to think further when analyzing data. The real conclusion is that only when compiling the pregnant and menstruating women, do they get included as much in clinical trials. Okay, I … | /r/MensRights | 20/08/22 03:40 PM |
| 5 | *Shadow in the Cloud* is a fantastic feminist filmOh, yeah. I watched Spy too and I found myself irritated at how blatant it was. Also, I'm convinced that there isn't a single film with Melissa McCarthy in it where her character doesn't annoy the shit out of me. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/08/22 05:33 AM |
| 28 | *Shadow in the Cloud* is a fantastic feminist filmIt's an absolute shitshow, and I say that as someone who watched it for less than 10 minutes before I stopped. In that time period, if I'd taken a shot every time the script demonised men, I would've already been absolutely drunk off my ass. And I can tell from reading the plot that it gets so much worse later on in the movie. As an aside: In the trailer there's one physics and reality-defying scene where Moretz's character falls from the plane, another plane explodes in the air below her, and i… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/08/22 02:16 AM |
| 3 | Only men can be charged with rape in England, and why it matters.Since I have been tagged into this thread, I just want to note to you and to u/Successful-Advanced (the OP) that in England there are actually differential sentencing guidelines for "rape" and "causing a person to engage in sexual activity without consent" even when penetration is involved, it's not just a cosmetic, definitional difference. Yes, the maximum sentencing is the same (life imprisonment), but the sentencing guidelines (especially at lower degrees of severity) differ quite heavily. Mo… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/08/22 10:47 PM |
| 15 | Any idea what might help against male self-hatred?I think there's a few factors that play into why this seems to absolutely plague some guys whereas others seem to deal with it better (not necessarily great, but better). Firstly, I think that neuroticism/obsessiveness plays into it - the more you ruminate on feminism's talking points and the less you can stop it, the worse it becomes. Because this shit is everywhere, there's a lot of rhetoric, talking points and ideologically-motivated propaganda to refute, and a lot of feminist rhetoric basica… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/08/22 10:31 PM |
| 9 | What political party do you think most MRAs align with?Yeah, and the disdain goes the other way too. Anyone who's been in the Red Pill subreddit at all knows that the users' opinions on MRAs are often some variant on this: "MRAs are pussy men who have a victim mentality and every single thing they do amounts to impotent whining. They'll never make a dent lol" The main point of commonality I see is a dislike of feminism, but other than that the groups for the most part seem to disagree with each others' approaches to a huge degree. It's always laugha… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/08/22 09:24 PM |
| 32 | I feel like homophobia is often co-opted by women when they claim that it’s just misogyny.Unfortunately yes, and it's obvious why this is the case at the moment, I think. Gay men (and LGBT people in general) are basically sold the idea that only progressives care for them and that it is in their benefit to espouse the intersectional hierarchy, which causes a dismayingly large percentage of them to become these bleating NPCs who trot out every woke belief under the sun (including feminist theory) regardless of how caustic it is. It's the ultimate signifier of allegiance to the party t… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/07/22 08:41 PM |
| 65 | Received a response from the Advertising Standards Authority re. EE's 'Stop Sexist Hate' Ad CampaignWell, that's entirely typical. I wasn't expecting any kind of positive response, but the fact that 207 people complained is still somewhat encouraging. I suppose that says something about my level of pessimism. I'd write a complaint myself to add to the pile (and would specifically attempt to tackle the Council's talking points so they can't simply post the same response), but I don't live in the UK. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/07/22 06:07 PM |
| 1 | Reason for the creation of the men's rights movement.That seems to be the widely used definition, yes. But what's defined as progress here? It seems that the people who throw about the word "reactionary" simply presuppose that the reforms they want to push through are "progress" and presuppose that the system their opponents want to stick with is a "regressive state" in order to justify the usage of the term. The fact is that what constitutes "progression" and "regression" entirely depends on what you're aiming towards, there is no such objective … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/07/22 11:14 AM |
| 45 | Reason for the creation of the men's rights movement."Reactionary" might quite honestly be one of the most useless political smear-terms that I've seen in constant usage as of late. A few points: 1: There are a few definitions of reactionary: one I could find is "opposing political or social progress or reform". To define it as opposing social progress might seem straightforward until you consider that calling someone reactionary entails determining what is considered social progress in the first place, which is a difficult thing to define since o… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/07/22 07:54 PM |
| 8 | Do we need to address the nature-nurture issue again?Yeah, it's something I've noticed. There has been a bit of a lack of focus on biological/evolutionary explanations and a very big focus on the social. The fact is that culture largely arises from people whose biological propensities inform their values and behaviours. It also means that not everything can be abolished, because there are some ingrained things that are simply not going to go away, and a lack of understanding of the evolutionary/instinctual underpinnings of some of this behaviour c… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/07/22 06:58 PM |
| 43 | Anecdotal job discrimination. Is it a large scale problem?There's a good bunch of evidence in favour of female-favouring attitudes (in hiring and otherwise). https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1418878112 This paper by Williams and Ceci is a well-known one: "The underrepresentation of women in academic science is typically attributed, both in scientific literature and in the media, to sexist hiring. Here we report five hiring experiments in which faculty evaluated hypothetical female and male applicants, using systematically varied profiles disguisin… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/07/22 01:17 AM |
| 5 | Anti-misandry on TVIt’s hard to tell without watching the show, but it wouldn’t be the first time I’ve seen show/movie depicting a matriarchal society as female supremacist as a way of criticizing men. One example is American Horror Story, in the seasons Coven and Apocalypse. The male witches are weaker than the female ones in the lore. The main characters from the female coven make very snarky and supremacist comments about the male witches, but it doesn’t really comes off as a way of making those characters look… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/07/22 12:46 AM |
| 2 | Ideology literally makes people illogical (unable to complete simple syllogisms)My score on the test you linked was 25/30, and my RAADS-R score (linked by Feroste elsewhere in the thread) was 175 (over 160 is "very strong evidence for autism"). Which aligns with some suspicions I've had for the past few years. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 11/07/22 04:41 AM |
| 26 | An underlining, under-reported, and understated issue that has an impact on dating, bonding, and men's sexual health that tends to be ignored and played down.On the harms of circumcision, "Circumcision of Infants and Children: Short-Term Trauma and Long-Term Psychosexual Harm" is a good place to start. https://researchgate.net/publication/275029542_Circumcision_of_Infants_and_Children_Short-Term_Trauma_and_Long-Term_Psychosexual_Harm I wrote a long thread on the topic of circumcision elsewhere, too: https://np.reddit.com/user/problem_redditor/comments/qid7gk/an_analysis_thread/hvhzql0/?context=3 | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/06/22 04:33 PM |
| 150 | ''Men are ruggedly individualistic, women are socially-minded'', what is your take on this talking point from feminists and using it as some sort of cop out and shift the blame back on men for their lack of social advoacy?I'd turn it back on them, since it majorly contradicts their ideas of "patriarchy" (as a system where men work in the interests of other men at the expense of women) to an extreme degree. Men are individualistic and women social, but men are also supposedly simultaneously engaging in a group-level effort to collectively improve their lot at the expense of women. According to this viewpoint, though, that behaviour would be more likely to be engaged in by women. Feminist theory is utterly incohere… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 20/06/22 07:20 AM |
| 17 | Radical Feminist Mom Requesting HelpYeah, the connection between rough-and-tumble play (RTP) and positive social outcomes has been pretty well established: https://www.child-encyclopedia.com/aggression/according-experts/play-fighting-during-early-childhood-and-its-role-preventing-later In rats, deprivation of this type of play as juveniles leads to deficits in social skills as adults that can be replicated in normally socialised adults by intentionally damaging the prefrontal cortex. This is true with primates too: "In monkeys and… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/06/22 04:43 AM |
| 3 | Reminder, when the Guardian published an article calling for exemption from prison for women for almost all cases, even murder.3/3 And the fact is that the arguments in favour of sex-differential infanticide laws are very weak when examined to any degree. This article (convicingly IMO) argues that "there is little evidence for a direct causal connection between the physical effects of childbirth or lactation and the causing of mental disturbances in women. Yet a more proximate causal connection can often be made between the poverty and isolation that some women experience as a result of childbirth and the postnatal ment… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/05/22 08:34 AM |
| 3 | Reminder, when the Guardian published an article calling for exemption from prison for women for almost all cases, even murder.2/3 Note, also, that "disturbed mind" does not mean mentally ill. The threshold is much lower than what is required to find a defendant not criminally responsible by reason of mental disorder. This principle is best illustrated by the case of R. v. Borowiec. Borowiec left three of her babies in a dumpster, two of whom died whereas the third survived. Borowiec was charged with two counts of second degree murder, but the trial judge acquitted her of murder and instead found her guilty of two count… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/05/22 08:33 AM |
| 3 | Reminder, when the Guardian published an article calling for exemption from prison for women for almost all cases, even murder.1/3 Okay, writing the comment now. It's multi-part, so you'll need to check the whole thread to see the entire thing. A good amount of legal jurisdictions do indeed have infanticide laws that make it a lesser crime for a woman (and only a woman) to kill her child, as long as the woman's mind is considered to be "disturbed" because of the effects of giving birth or lactation when she causes the death of her biological child. Thus, "infanticide" carries much lower penalties than the charge of "mur… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/05/22 08:32 AM |
| 9 | Reminder, when the Guardian published an article calling for exemption from prison for women for almost all cases, even murder.Just to let you know I'm not ignoring your question - you're basically correct regarding the effect of infanticide laws, and in countries which have these laws you're referring to (the most infamous one being Section 233 of the Canadian Criminal Code) there are plenty of cases where the women got off with a lesser charge of infanticide after killing their children. I would write a longer comment with sources, but you happened to tag me after I drank a bit. I'll post it once I've gotten all of th… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/05/22 07:33 PM |
| 5 | In light of Chris Hemsworth’s nudity in the trailer of Thor: Love And Thunder, I think it’s worth asking why the notion that female sexualization is wrong was immediately followed by copious amounts of male nuditySo let's break this down: From what I can see, your argument entirely rests on an unsupported claim about "the past" and an assumption that the state of affairs was something that had to be changed. On top of this you’ve added an extremely weakly argued moral position that unequal treatment in the present day is justified because of your unsupported claim about "the past". You make a generalised (and also unsupported) statement about change happening slowly, but don't provide much justification … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/05/22 03:29 AM |
| 68 | Has anybody else noticed that the tumblrinaction sub has become a TERF haven?Oh, absolutely. I actually used to be a shitposter on TiA years ago, but now mostly avoid it like the plague. It's been very dismaying to see a huge amount of anti-SJWs siding with TERFs simply because they both have a common opposition towards the overreach of some trans activists (albeit for very different reasons). TERFs are ultimately driven by a psychotic belief in patriarchy theory and inherent male danger to women. While TERFs exemplify the exact thing anti-SJWs would've otherwise hated, … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/05/22 04:08 AM |
| 3 | UK: Turns out that not only are women exempt from rape charges but the maximum sentencing for sexual assault is much lowerThe most severe offence which I know of that female perpetrators of forced-to-penetrate could be given for taking advantage of a child is Section 8 - "Causing or inciting a child under 13 to engage in sexual activity". "(1) A person commits an offence if—" "(a) he intentionally causes or incites another person (B) to engage in an activity," "(b) the activity is sexual, and" "(c) B is under 13." "(2) A person guilty of an offence under this section, if the activity caused or incited involved—" "(… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/05/22 08:03 PM |
| 36 | UK: Turns out that not only are women exempt from rape charges but the maximum sentencing for sexual assault is much lowerOkay, let's be accurate about this. The usual rebuttal by feminists is that the sentencing is equal and it's just a case of semantics so it is not a big issue. They are arguing this because the charge of "Causing a person to engage in sexual activity without consent" would be the equivalent punishment for women who rape men, not "sexual assault". Causing a person to engage in sexual activity without consent, if penetration was involved, does carry a maximum sentence of life imprisonment (and tha… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/05/22 02:42 AM |
| 5 | Am I Going Insane?I face-palmed so hard it must have been heard throughout the world. It probably created a tornado the other side of the world. If I created a tornado on the other side of the world every single time I face-palmed at feminist rhetoric, the Americas would be wrecked beyond belief. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/04/22 07:05 AM |
| 5 | If all the men vanished today most feminists I know would still blame the patriarchy for their troubles.You joke but if it were to happen, because they don't know any other mode of thinking or explaining reality by this point, they'd turn inward and find some new way to scapegoat half the population. That's the inevitable result of the absolute mental rot that is critical theory in general. According to the distorted lens of that worldview, everything can always be explained in terms of master/slave dynamics where they conceptualise groups as fundamentally being in conflict and where one group com… | /r/MensRights | 16/04/22 11:04 AM |
| 1 | Transman Highlights Male Social DisprivilegeYep. Unfortunately it's the case that any attempt to modernise and integrate them into existing infrastructure gets thought of as an eradication of the culture and their way of life instead of an attempt to improve material living conditions. The problem is often also that the voices of dissent (those that are not okay with it) will be focused on, whereas those who benefit and who have no problem with the changes are usually not heard from. Then people complain... about the lower living standard… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/04/22 09:02 PM |
| 2 | Transman Highlights Male Social DisprivilegeIt's not like we're going to all deconstruct all our cities and leave. If that actually happened, it would be absolutely disastrous for the Aboriginals themselves. Perhaps a contentious claim, too, but I honestly think a very large proportion of currently living Indigenous' lives are actually better at the moment than they would have been had Europeans not colonised. While it’s worse than other Australians due to their remote location, their access to education and health services are still vast… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/04/22 08:11 PM |
| 1 | Transman Highlights Male Social DisprivilegeThe link you've provided is merely a link regarding when the modern land rights movement started, and your 1963 example is merely a date when a specific native tribe provided petitions to the government about having a say in what they still considered as "their land" due to traditionally living on it. It says nothing about when the land was effectively annexed and claimed. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/04/22 08:06 PM |
| 2 | Transman Highlights Male Social DisprivilegeThe argument is often deployed far beyond that context. In Australia, for example, the phrase "This is indigenous land/this is the traditional land of the X or Y peoples" is mentioned and acknowledged everywhere and it rears its head in pretty much every discussion about natives, despite there being a complete lack of a treaty between the Australian government and the First Nations people. It is clearly meant to imply an ownership over the land on a moral basis, even if it's not a legal one. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/04/22 06:44 PM |
| 5 | Transman Highlights Male Social DisprivilegeThat wasn't my argument. I'm just saying that framing the argument in terms of rights to land isn't the best case, in my opinion. The main point of that paragraph is that the idea of returning land to its "rightful owners" which is talked about so often in these circles is 1: inconsistent, because after a certain point trying to pinpoint a rightful ownership claim on that basis is often just turtles all the way down, and 2: above all, it's absolutely unimplementable on any large scale. It's not … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/04/22 06:16 PM |
| 14 | Transman Highlights Male Social DisprivilegeI came across a similar opinion just a short while ago on Twitter wherein people were painting the Native Americans as being extremely moral and super egalitarian compared to the Europeans. I really find the continuous lionisation of native cultures as totally not being warlike or conquering as hilarious, because the fact is that they have to ignore a huge amount of evidence showing otherwise. The guy literally argued this as the reason as to why the Natives were conquered: "From what I know I t… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/04/22 01:17 PM |
| 2 | Alex Garland's "Men" (Spoilers for the Trailer)For some reason, I was under the impression that you would strictly like productions that are more scientifically rigorous, but I’m glad to be proven wrong. I can definitely see why you got that impression because I continuously complain about scientific rigour in sci-fi. I do place importance on it (probably more than your average person) and love to pick it apart like an asshole, but I can also suspend disbelief enough to enjoy a good story. After Aliens, the only genuinely good thing about th… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/03/22 04:01 AM |
| 2 | Alex Garland's "Men" (Spoilers for the Trailer)There aren’t many of those these days, right? Yeah sadly, no. This kind of sci-fi isn't really super common, especially not in film. In that sense, I believe books, animation and shows to be superior to movies, because they have more time to delve into these concepts, whereas movies, given their short duration, are more prone to be the chosen platform of filmmakers that merely want to tell a human (and often pretentious, I have to say) story while the world the story takes place takes a backseat… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/03/22 09:22 PM |
| 1 | Alex Garland's "Men" (Spoilers for the Trailer)Oh, I saw the film the very same way as you did. Ava seemed to be completely amoral, and she very much takes advantage of the main character's attraction to and sympathy for her and discards him the second he isn't necessary. I considered the ending to be part of the show's cautionary message about the dangers of AI, and thought this was an intended downer ending. But then you have this interview with Garland, where you get some very interesting insights about how he views the show. Including th… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/03/22 06:43 PM |
| 4 | Alex Garland's "Men" (Spoilers for the Trailer)Ari Aster’s Hereditary is probably one of the best horror movies in the last 20 years, if you ask me. The portion of the film where Charlie gets decapitated, as well as the aftermath of her death when Peter is in denial and just drives home, might be one of the most utterly sickening, stomach-churning scenes I've seen in a movie. It's one of the only times a movie has actually made me feel genuinely shell-shocked. I was very impressed with it. I also doubt I'll be watching it again. I haven't wa… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/03/22 12:52 PM |
| 3 | Alex Garland's "Men" (Spoilers for the Trailer)Besides, let’s not forget who A24’s target audience is. Just see who promotes their movies and does the word-of-mouth. Mostly young people with academic backgrounds, feminists, LGBTs, people who are into slow burns/artistic movies. Sadly, movies that are heavy on the misandry deeply resonate with such target audience. Which is why they love Midsommar, by the way, another deeply problematic A24 movie. Yeah I find this to be such a massive shame, because as you probably already know from reading m… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/03/22 12:02 PM |
| 3 | Alex Garland's "Men" (Spoilers for the Trailer)To add a non-Disney example, there's another recent show I can think of which tries to recontextualise one of the most famous female villains of all time as someone who isn't truly evil and has only been made how she is because she has been victimised by men. It is one of the worst rewrites of a fairytale I have ever seen, and that's really saying something. It's that awful 2021 Cinderella movie with Camilla Cabello (Don't ask me why I've watched it). The men are portrayed as either callous oppr… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/03/22 11:08 AM |
| 10 | The usage of barrier troops and cannon fodder in war proves that male conscription is rooted in male disposability, not in the idea that society thinks women are too weak to handle themselvesthe jus primae noctis is brought up a lot where i live, The jus primae noctis, or droit du cuissage, or the lord's right to have sex with subordinate women, is a particularly pernicious myth (up there with the chastity belt when it comes to bad historical falsehoods). I would direct you to a book called "The Medieval Chastity Belt: A Myth-Making Process". While it primarily focuses on debunking the myth of the "chastity belt", it also has a chapter debunking the jus primae noctis as an actual th… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/03/22 02:36 AM |
| 24 | The usage of barrier troops and cannon fodder in war proves that male conscription is rooted in male disposability, not in the idea that society thinks women are too weak to handle themselvesOkay, please ask these people when the state has forced women to give birth through pain of prison or execution. There are a few arguments I've seen used to try and gain support for this genuinely idiotic position. 1: They bring up the banning of abortion, claiming that this "forces women to have children when they don't want to", 2: They bring up the non-criminalisation of marital rape in the past "THAT's how women were treated as birthing machines", or 3: They bring up things like the Lebensbo… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/03/22 11:33 PM |
| 27 | The usage of barrier troops and cannon fodder in war proves that male conscription is rooted in male disposability, not in the idea that society thinks women are too weak to handle themselvesThe problem with the "40% of child soldiers are girls" claim is that it is extremely dubious at best. It is a very speculative and absolute upper limit estimate derived from interviews with some child soldiers (so the figures are not empirically derived), done only in a specific country (the DRC), which then got extrapolated inappropriately and then slowly started being drip-fed into the public discourse as an Unchallengeable Truth through sheer repetition. Here is a FeministCritics post critici… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/03/22 11:04 PM |
| 5 | LWMA Lounge March 2022Okay, I'm putting this here because I don't really know where else to place this. I've been doing a lot of research into anthropology ever since someone linked me an article on Quillette which made a primarily anthropologically based case in favour of something resembling a feminist-leaning perspective about female oppression (it really is nearly identical to patriarchy theory, except it roots it primarily in biology instead of culture). That article very much provoked my thoughts, so to speak. … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/03/22 08:07 PM |
| 3 | Critiquing the Mikael Elinder/Oscar Erixson study of maritime disasters.I mean, it isn't an entirely unfounded fear given the pure censoriousness people with views like ours routinely face. Also, my brain feels like complete mush contending with all of these comments on my posts, and given that it's a large subreddit not all of them are in agreement. Especially since I posted some of my most controversial opinions there. Think I'll clock off soon. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/03/22 08:50 PM |
| 3 | Critiquing the Mikael Elinder/Oscar Erixson study of maritime disasters.No, fortunately. I locked them simply so people would engage with the final comment instead of commenting on the first one and burying the follow ups. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/03/22 08:38 PM |
| 4 | Is medical gaslighting real a predominantly female issue?It's not as if we test medication on animals and then start putting them up on the market, as animal trials are often a poor approximation of how drugs affect humans. These are preliminary and mainly serve to justify going to the human testing stage. Before drugs can be approved by bodies like the FDA, they have to go through clinical trials first, and the evidence points towards the fact that women have historically been appropriately included in those. I won't deny that drugs can certainly som… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 07/03/22 03:40 PM |
| 11 | Is medical gaslighting real a predominantly female issue?It is a pretty well-worn myth that women have historically been excluded and underrepresented in medical research. https://journals.lww.com/epidem/Fulltext/2001/09000/Did_Medical_Research_Routinely_Exclude_Women__An.20.aspx "These analyses indicate that before 1990, women routinely participated in clinical trials, and in numbers that are more than proportionate to the number of women in the overall population. Although these analyses of clinical trials appear to be persuasive, they leave unanswe… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 07/03/22 06:51 AM |
| 17 | Is medical gaslighting real a predominantly female issue?Are they downplayed? I know feminists cite studies supposedly showing that women's pain is supposedly not properly treated. However, looking at the body of evidence shows that many show no bias in either direction, and many show women being preferentially administered painkillers. In other words, the results in the studies they refer to don't properly replicate. But as usual with feminists, they will cherrypick the studies that align with their views and ignore studies which show results that co… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 07/03/22 06:39 AM |
| 1 | Sex-based medical bias. Should we agree with feminists on this one?Hi, OP. is there evidence to suggest we should agree with feminists on at least some level on this? I know that by asking this sub, the answer will probably be biased. But given that I've already listened to the feminist answer, it's only fair to give the MRA side a listen too. We should not agree with feminists on any level of this, because the supposed medical bias against women your feminist friends talk about are myths. https://journals.lww.com/epidem/Fulltext/2001/09000/Did_Medical_Research… | /r/MensRights | 05/03/22 01:59 PM |
| 3 | My responses to an idiot feminist I came across on the subreddit r/TumblrInAction.Yeah, it's been quite depressing to see it go downhill, honestly. I was shitposting on TumblrInAction pretty long before I ever came to MensRights and the MRM. It used to be pretty low-effort content, but fun. It's incredible to me, the willingness of the anti-SJW crowd to side with TERFs and defend them. TERFs are still incredibly deranged psychos whose opposition to transgenderism is rooted in misandry and sheer, outright hatred of men, and if they weren't against the ridiculous excesses of tr… | /r/MensRights | 03/03/22 06:47 AM |
| 3 | My responses to an idiot feminist I came across on the subreddit r/TumblrInAction.I'm genuinely flabbergasted how someone can be this daft. Maybe Graham's number was invented to calculate the number of times she contradicted herself. Oh, she's a special one indeed. Completely rabid. I'm pretty glad to see that her account has been deleted now, honestly. I've had another run-in with her on TumblrInAction where the comment chain ran approx three pages long or something else ridiculous because I made it a point not to stop responding until she finally shut up. I've gotta admire … | /r/MensRights | 02/03/22 08:22 PM |
| 4 | My hobby: replace mentions of "the patriarchy" with "the devil"It was in response to one of those world-class mental gymnasts in r/MensRights. Oh, her - I went after her big time. I don't usually get into arguments often anymore (or at least I try not to), but her takes were so utterly awful in the light of what's going on in Ukraine that I think my entire apartment building could hear my howls of anger when I read it. Needless to say, it felt very satisfying to nuke her from orbit in this thread. https://np.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/t1j35t/women_and… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/02/22 07:36 AM |
| 4 | 'Women and children first' policy in place in Kyiv for trains leaving the city as Russian forces approachI've archived the relevant page, scroll down a bit and you'll find the part u/Oncefa2 is referring to. https://archive.is/2FEX8 | /r/MensRights | 27/02/22 04:20 AM |
| 13 | 'Women and children first' policy in place in Kyiv for trains leaving the city as Russian forces approachMen are far less likely to report partner violence to police, and women are also shown undue leniency when they perpetrate partner abuse" - Because the patriarchy views women as inferior and in need of protecting, looping back to my original point and proving it, thank you. Blacks get treated harsher in the criminal justice system than whites, and we see this as an attitude that blacks are "inferior". Men get treated harsher than women, and feminists see this as an attitude that women are seen a… | /r/MensRights | 26/02/22 05:24 PM |
| 10 | 'Women and children first' policy in place in Kyiv for trains leaving the city as Russian forces approachAh yes, and then you criticise me for not providing any supposedly "proper" evidence (I've provided plenty) when all your idiot ass has provided throughout this discussion is bluster and confidence. You know why I didn't even try to convince you from the very beginning? Because you've shown an incredible ability to deny entire reams of evidence placed right in front of your face. An average of 137 women are killed by their partners every day across the globe. Again, without providing numbers for… | /r/MensRights | 26/02/22 04:58 PM |
| 12 | 'Women and children first' policy in place in Kyiv for trains leaving the city as Russian forces approachNice attempt at deflecting from the sheer inadequacy of your own source at demonstrating your claim. You realise the majority of the world still has draconian laws and social attitudes towards women, right? Only if you ignore their attitudes towards men. And these studies you've posted only cover the US, yes? And you accuse me of being selective. Fiebert's bibliography actually covers a whole lot of countries, and definitely not just the US. But if you want a global study, I can give you one whi… | /r/MensRights | 26/02/22 04:33 PM |
| 10 | 'Women and children first' policy in place in Kyiv for trains leaving the city as Russian forces approach2/2 Capaldi, D. M., Kim, H. K., & Shortt, J. W. (2007). Observed initiation and reciprocity of physical aggression in young at-risk couples. Journal of Family Violence, 22 (2) 101-111.(Findings reveal that young women's rate of initiation of physical violence was "two times higher than men's during late adolescence and young adulthood." By mid-20's the rate of initiation was about equal. Mutual aggression increased the likelihood of injury for both men and women.) Capaldi, D. M. & Owen, L. D. (2… | /r/MensRights | 26/02/22 04:09 PM |
| 10 | 'Women and children first' policy in place in Kyiv for trains leaving the city as Russian forces approach1/2 Far more credible source than your wordpress blogs. Do you just look for anything that agrees with your narrative without considering the credibility of your source? Firstly, I actually posted an academic article which you conveniently ignored. And the wordpress blog I linked cited other studies and sources to make its argument. Secondly, you did not read your source properly, which is absolutely to be expected from the likes of you. It provides absolutely no empirical evidence for its claim… | /r/MensRights | 26/02/22 04:09 PM |
| 14 | 'Women and children first' policy in place in Kyiv for trains leaving the city as Russian forces approachEntirely your choice. I'm not writing to convince you, I'm writing to convince everyone else reading that you don't know what you're talking about. | /r/MensRights | 26/02/22 03:57 PM |
| 17 | 'Women and children first' policy in place in Kyiv for trains leaving the city as Russian forces approachNo, I know they were, they were called Neanderthals, TIL homo sapiens never lived in caves. We just started out with Roman Empire-level technology. EDIT: Just in case you don't know this, homo sapiens are not "humans that live in cities" and neanderthals are not "humans that live in caves". Homo sapiens and neanderthals are different and distinct species of human and coexisted for a long period of time. Homo sapiens are also not descended from neanderthals (unless you count a slight bit of inter… | /r/MensRights | 26/02/22 12:19 PM |
| 11 | 'Women and children first' policy in place in Kyiv for trains leaving the city as Russian forces approachWomen also love their male spouses and family members When I read comments like yours, the more doubtful of that I become. yet we don't use our love to assign you to a lower social ranking that we assert control over and dictate what you can and can't do. Incredible. You are literally painting women, by being exempted from the draft, as being "controlled" regarding what they can and can't do... and men... aren't, by being subjected to the draft and forced to fight. Who is being controlled, and w… | /r/MensRights | 26/02/22 12:12 PM |
| 13 | 'Women and children first' policy in place in Kyiv for trains leaving the city as Russian forces approachAdding to what u/lightning_palm said: We're devalued because we're seen as inferior, in need of protection, and assumed to be unfit to protect our countries. This post was about the fact that women and children first orders were made when trains were leaving Kyiv. So we evacuated blacks first, then only saved whites when a disaster was happening? Historically, we used to put blacks first on lifeboats, and let whites go down with the ship? We used to sacrifice white lives to protect blacks (rathe… | /r/MensRights | 26/02/22 12:08 PM |
| 3 | Critiquing the Mikael Elinder/Oscar Erixson study of maritime disasters.Yeah this study gets thrown around very frequently. It's been years since the study came out and it is still being used as ammunition. I have a very low opinion of Elinder and Erixson and their study is still one of the absolute worst feminist studies I have looked at, but I really do have to give it to them: They've succeeded at creating a particularly pernicious piece of propaganda that just will not die. Quite honestly, most of the people on MensLib are complete and utter fuckwits, and person… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/02/22 07:45 PM |
| 9 | What is the easiest, most irrefutable, position to have for male advocacy?/rant Oh man, your last link. The way the UN will engage in mental gymnastics in order to justify their gender-discriminatory actions in Haiti is fucking incredible. The article you've linked contains one extremely egregious one: Women are often the first ones pushed out of line," explained Ms. Scripture. Even if we are to charitably interpret the UN and the WFP's statements and assume women being pushed out of line was actually a problem instead of a rationalisation created by an organisation d… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/02/22 05:50 AM |
| 3 | Why do people always assume we want to dismantle resources for women instead of add focus for male resources?I also remember reading about how SS units had to be continually ordered because they often failed to kill women (and children) along with men when committing genocide, because they were so reluctant to do so. That's right, the most evil, fuck up group in history committing the worst crimes against humanity known, often struggled to kill women. Late response, but I've read similar. I've actually read that the gas van was developed because of the psychological burden of killing women and children… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 20/02/22 08:31 AM |
| 34 | Deconstructing why men's forums "always devolve into circlejerking about women"Because the perceptions of men and women and how we evaluate them in relation to each other matters. For example, the way in which people tend to view harms perpetrated by women as comparatively rare, and view it as trivial and not worthy of public attention when it is perpetrated (as compared with that perpetrated by men) is something that MRAs try to counter a lot. They do it because that perception can cause great harm. Just to give one example of how this perception causes harm, this attitud… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/02/22 01:37 AM |
| 5 | Proposed femicide laws are discriminatory, lawyers sayYou should be utterly ashamed of yourself. They're not. | /r/MensRights | 12/02/22 10:50 AM |
| 4 | Proposed femicide laws are discriminatory, lawyers sayJust dropping this comment here for future reference to show that you are a dishonest troll who falsely characterises criticisms of gender-discriminatory criminal laws as wanting to protect male murderers of women, rather than having an issue with how the standard is not applied equally across the board regardless of the sex of perpetrator and victim. You really don't stop digging your hole, do you? | /r/MensRights | 12/02/22 09:47 AM |
| 9 | What's the thing with postmodernism?Okay, while I haven't delved deeply into the entire thing I think I can answer some of it. This is a quick and dirty and somewhat simplified rundown of some of the concepts you asked for elaboration on. Critical consciousness and critical theory is basically a focus on the power-structures that run through society and thinking they are uniquely important to understanding everything (but shouldn't be). These power structures are conceived as being the result of a battle between groups, and they b… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 11/02/22 12:40 AM |
| 4 | Study that showed men leaving their sick wifes was flawed.Posting it in an attempt to make people think less of women as a whole is misogyny. Which you already admitted when you said posting these things was "Examples to draw upon to counter the "Women Are Wonderful" effect is important to shifting gynocentric attitudes." This is such childlike, simplistic thinking I don't even know where to begin. That comment from u/EmirikolWoker is not whatsoever proof of misogyny. Yet again, you've (intentionally, I believe) openly attempted to mislead with your re… | /r/MensRights | 09/02/22 01:07 PM |
| 8 | Hi everyone, I wanted to discuss a problem that we all have in commonI think most people are retarded, at this point. Was everybody just routinely dropped on their head as a child? Because it really seems as if they were. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 05/02/22 10:14 PM |
| 29 | Hi everyone, I wanted to discuss a problem that we all have in commonI'm increasingly convinced that the One Good Man syndrome which is so common among male feminists needs to be regarded as a pathology. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 05/02/22 10:14 AM |
| 37 | Hi everyone, I wanted to discuss a problem that we all have in common"You can't say that, it's a common argument from incels." This ^ is not an argument. It does not discredit an argument to say that "This argument was made by Bad People, so it's wrong". It's completely fallacious. If I polled incels and found that almost all of them thought the Earth was spherical, would your brother join a flat earth society? Good luck, OP. I've had my own clashes with family and others over these topics, and I completely get how utterly maddening it can be. I don't really have… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 05/02/22 10:01 AM |
| 4 | What is an unpopular opinion you have on this subreddit?This user has also attempted to justify away the National Organisation for Women's consistent opposition to shared parenting bills in America by misrepresenting and outright lying about the outcomes of these bills they opposed. Go read the thread. They inconsistently jump from contradictory argument to contradictory argument in order to try to defend NOW's actions. And they wonder why people dislike them. | /r/MensRights | 04/02/22 05:07 PM |
| 7 | Is Feminism Responsible for Saving Men's Lives?Here's something else you might like. Farrell, in his 1999 book "Women Can't Hear What Men Don't Say" suggests that the domestic homicide numbers are somewhat to be questioned. https://archive.org/details/warren_farrell_women_cant_hear_what_men_dont_say/page/n161/mode/2up?q=But+aren%27t+husbands+more+likely+to+kill+their+wives&view=theater "But aren't husbands more likely to kill their wives than vice versa? Again, we enter the arena of "who's the biggest victim?" It bothers me to have to docume… | /r/MensRights | 04/02/22 02:25 PM |
| 12 | Looks like we are being discussed on /r/askfeministsGot a chuckle out of a TwoX thread a while back where they were complaining how "men's rights losers" always come equipped with sources, and it's just so annoying. While funny, this is kind of indicative of a really dangerous mindset. It isn't necessarily limited to the critical social justice crowd, but is particularly prevalent among them. Many feminists adopt a quasi-religious stance where they think that everyone with good intentions will think the same, and that data is irrelevant. Informat… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/02/22 09:34 PM |
| 2 | Open letter to a feminist aggrieved by our "lack of education"This clarification is a substantially better phrasing of the point than what you wrote initially, which very much reads like a blatant dismissal tone-wise. Duly noted that you don't identify as a feminist, too - I wasn't particularly active when the original post of yours was being discussed. And I'm unsure if u/mewacketergi2 has issues with you personally, I think he has issues with your post. (For the record, I upvoted this comment of yours, since I believe it's a genuine attempt at engagement… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/02/22 03:19 PM |
| 4 | Open letter to a feminist aggrieved by our "lack of education"I was told by another commenter, the tone of my comment is practically indistinguishable from that of a pro-male intersectional feminist. Them's fighting words. Thankfully, I have never been told that yet. And that's still not enough to reach someone like this, no matter how hard you try, and what kind of a job you do. It's not even just feminists who are difficult to convince (though they're certainly even worse than your average person). I've become extremely disillusioned with the entire situ… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/02/22 02:41 PM |
| 6 | how to show to women that advocating for men does not mean anti-women?Yeah, she doesn't seem very well acquainted with the MRM at all, and seems to be operating almost solely on her initial emotional reactions to things. Maybe someone should direct her to Karen Straughan's videos and ask her to start from the very beginning. Might help ease her into everything we're talking about. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/02/22 12:00 PM |
| 8 | how to show to women that advocating for men does not mean anti-women?Can we take a pause and LOL at how easily your sweeping experience of "99%" was accepted/overlooked and my more gracious "98%" was chopped with machetes. LOL. Only kind of kidding. It isn't the percentages that people are casting their upvotes or downvotes on. People understand that both these percentages are likely hyperbole. People are casting their upvotes or downvotes based on whose assessment it is that they agree with and that rings true to them. I have my life, statistics/books/articles t… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/02/22 04:07 AM |
| 6 | how to show to women that advocating for men does not mean anti-women?I don't feel like I said that at all. I tried to say that most of my exposure to male advocacy was in that context (literally awful men spewing nasty) and that is a big factor in reacting to it as anti-woman, not that it is representative of legitimate male advocacy. I used quotes to try to convey (badly it seems) that I don't view that the most common and loud type of my exposure to this is reality. Appreciate the clarification. If that was your intention it certainly wasn't very well conveyed … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/02/22 04:05 AM |
| 8 | LWMA Lounge February 2022So there have been a few posts on the topic of how we should get people to have empathy for men's issues in the past month or so. I'm pessimistic regarding the goals that people here seem to want to achieve for a few reasons. The empathy gap is extremely, extremely ingrained, and it has been reinforced through millennia of evolution that women's lives are to be protected, and men's purpose is to provide them that protection. Throughout history there has been a complex of reproductive interests, … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 01/02/22 11:17 PM |
| 19 | how to show to women that advocating for men does not mean anti-women?Okay, this was your first paragraph. "If you want my perspective at all, I have a very very hard time with "male advocates" when the only time any "advocacy" about the plight of men in our society is brought up is when it is a response to a conversation about women issues or in response to "feminism" and they feel the need to hi-jack the discussion because it seems (from my perspective) that they are angered by the subject being societal issues women face." As u/Omoikane13 pointed out, here, you… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 01/02/22 07:46 PM |
| 19 | how to show to women that advocating for men does not mean anti-women?It's funny because she's being treated a lot less harshly than I've seen a lot of other people being treated in these men's rights communities. People here do not generally tend to pussy-foot around detractors (though granted, the environment here is still a good bit more civil than on the main MR sub). I'm aware the OP asked a question, but she came in here with an extremely accusatory tone, utilised "Muh feels and experiences" as her only argument, played victim throughout, and people are gene… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 01/02/22 04:49 PM |
| 28 | how to show to women that advocating for men does not mean anti-women?when the only time any "advocacy" about the plight of men in our society is brought up is when it is a response to a conversation about women issues or in response to "feminism" and they feel the need to hi-jack the discussion because it seems (from my perspective) that they are angered by the subject being societal issues women face. Here is how this works in practice 99% of the time. "Women are disproportionately affected by intimate partner violence and need special considerations." "That's a… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 01/02/22 04:39 PM |
| 11 | Why do people always assume we want to dismantle resources for women instead of add focus for male resources?It's painfully dumb. But it would make slightly more sense if people's treatment of female power and agency was at least consistent. Either A: women were agents who participated in and influenced events in history, or B: because they didn't occupy overt positions of power there is no reason to attribute anything good or bad to them. I think A is accurate and B is a delusional fiction, but instead, the public narrative selectively flips between both stances: A when it's something good they want w… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 31/01/22 05:32 PM |
| 21 | Why do people always assume we want to dismantle resources for women instead of add focus for male resources?"Technically speaking though" No. Just no. This is a particularly stupid fallacy I see cropping up again and again. "Men" are not a collective or an ideology that one can voluntarily subscribe to. "Men" are a group comprised of individuals who involuntarily happen to share biological sex and cannot be affiliated with each other by default. People who make this argument seem to lump in all men with the leaders who formally make the decisions, but most men don't have this level of influence. Yet, … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 31/01/22 12:38 PM |
| 16 | Why do people always assume we want to dismantle resources for women instead of add focus for male resources?Interesting how people didn't get your sarcasm. I suppose it's pretty hard to convey tone on the Internet. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/01/22 02:22 PM |
| 16 | Why do people always assume we want to dismantle resources for women instead of add focus for male resources?The reason why it is perceived this way is because it is, in fact, a zero-sum game. There are limited resources to distribute to people, and resources devoted to men are resources that could have been devoted to women instead. It's not as if we can conjure services out of thin air, we have to make sacrifices in some domain in order to give help to a group of people. It would be fair to distribute the available resources to men and women equally, but people in general just prefer to give help to … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/01/22 01:47 PM |
| 12 | A few interesting perspectives on when attacks on "harmful masculinity" are just an attack on masculinity.Oh, hey. Didn't realise you were on Reddit. And yeah, I suspect a lot of the observed difference is down to less emotional expression and a better ability to put feelings aside in favour of action, rather than less experiencing of emotion in and of itself. Regardless, the point still stands, because whichever of the two it is, the outcome is the same (better ability to deal with threats and danger on the spot, and thus shield others) and feminists label the behaviour as "toxic". The idea that th… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/01/22 09:52 AM |
| 51 | A few interesting perspectives on when attacks on "harmful masculinity" are just an attack on masculinity.What they typically label as toxic masculinity are behaviours that exist so that men could satisfy their role of absorbing harm/stress/damage for the benefit of others (women and children). Men are more un-emotional, less sensitive and more self-reliant than women. This is supposedly "toxic masculinity". Well, why did this occur? Women who continued to exhibit emotion in adulthood did better because people were willing to tend to them as a result. The only reason they could have survived better … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/01/22 02:13 AM |
| 6 | Addressing Jeff Ackerman's study on overreporting in surveys about intimate partner violenceIt's a beautiful example of their sophistry. I was actually shocked that the deception was so open and blatant in this paper - they don't even try to competently hide their manipulation of statistics anymore. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/01/22 05:30 AM |
| 6 | Addressing Jeff Ackerman's study on overreporting in surveys about intimate partner violenceThat definitely does affect the numbers derived from those studies that use data from hospitals or from said professionals to draw conclusions about sex differences in injuries. Honestly, though, this criticism applies to the numbers about intimate partner homicides, too. In addition to what Farrell said about mariticides being undercounted because of the way wives kill (they're harder to detect and even when they are detected, often they get listed as "multiple-offender" crimes), it's also that… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/01/22 05:26 AM |
| 23 | I think things are starting to changeI'm more pessimistic than you. I'm unsure if we can actually really effectively eliminate the double standards that we all know and hate, because they ultimately stem from the empathy gap. It would require the conscious effort of almost everyone in society to make sure it doesn't impact their decision-making, and I don't know how feasible that is. I'm not even sure how successful we'll be at the lesser goal of making the public realise that the empathy gap is a thing, as it would justify compass… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/01/22 07:11 PM |
| 17 | Addressing Jeff Ackerman's study on overreporting in surveys about intimate partner violenceIt depends on what you look at. Some studies do indeed show women suffering heavier injuries from DV. Some don't. Some show greater male injury. I think u/Oncefa2's post "Some sources on the severity of domestic violence against men" is a good primer on this. https://www.reddit.com/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates/comments/f604hw/some_sources_on_the_severity_of_domestic_violence/ For my part, I'd add other studies showing little or no gender differences in injury. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18407042… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/01/22 05:48 PM |
| 15 | Addressing Jeff Ackerman's study on overreporting in surveys about intimate partner violenceNice to see you back. I'll get to the rest of your comment later. I'm sure the cts methodology isn't perfect, but it's not like there's a better alternative out there. Nor does it make research based on cts methodology useless. Feminists make a lot of ideological criticisms of the CTS, not because the CTS is any worse than the methodology used in other studies, but because the results produced by CTS surveys challenge their conception of DV as sexually directional and driven by patriarchy. I act… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/01/22 04:47 PM |
| 3 | LWMA Lounge December 2021Thanks for the advice. I admittedly have been fairly intent on changing and/or fixing everyone and everything around me, even if it's clearly outside the realm of my own capability which is a recipe for disaster. I'll take some of your pointers on board and see how it goes. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/01/22 07:52 AM |
| 3 | LWMA Lounge January 2022we've begun to almost completely gender neutralize it is how most bystanders who go out of their way to risk their lives for somebody else or expose themselves to danger to protect somebody else are also men Yep, yet we've gendered violence of all forms as "male". But you can see male greater helping even in non-dangerous scenarios. https://www.jstor.org/stable/2786599 "One hundred forty-five experimenters "accidentally" dropped a handful of pencils or coins on 1,497 occasions before a total of … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/01/22 05:19 PM |
| 3 | LWMA Lounge January 2022Roy Baumeister in his book "Is There Anything Good About Men" quite competently challenges the "toxic masculinity" narrative which paints men as aggressive and anti-social compared to women. You could make a case for women being the more social gender. In fact, that’s just what Cross and Madsen did. It misses a key point. Women are indeed more social if you define “social” only in terms of one-to-one close, intimate relationships. But if you look at bigger groups, then men are more social than w… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/01/22 03:20 PM |
| 8 | Complaining about not being treated equally whilst being treated equally- woman’s tweet to the AA. But the AA CEO’s response is even more concerning.3/3 Capaldi, D. M., Kim, H. K., & Shortt, J. W. (2007). Observed initiation and reciprocity of physical aggression in young at-risk couples. Journal of Family Violence, 22 (2) 101-111.(Findings reveal that young women's rate of initiation of physical violence was "two times higher than men's during late adolescence and young adulthood." By mid-20's the rate of initiation was about equal. Mutual aggression increased the likelihood of injury for both men and women.) Capaldi, D. M. & Owen, L. D. (2… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/01/22 11:56 AM |
| 7 | Complaining about not being treated equally whilst being treated equally- woman’s tweet to the AA. But the AA CEO’s response is even more concerning.2/n The same narrative exists for domestic violence where it gets portrayed as a male-on-female crime, when that isn't true at all. Police reporting and official numbers here also provide an inadequate picture of the prevalence of DV, due to underreporting. Crime survey data is also problematic as they typically survey participants in a "domestic violence" or "criminal assault" context, which leads to underreporting, especially among men. Graham-Kevan expounds on that here. https://euromind.glob… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/01/22 11:55 AM |
| 5 | Complaining about not being treated equally whilst being treated equally- woman’s tweet to the AA. But the AA CEO’s response is even more concerning.1/n Your Cleveland article is basically a torrent of feelz disguised as an actual argument. "Women are fearful. Women are scared to do X. Women are scared to do Y." The article itself admits that violent crime is mainly something that men face, but then states that women face rape more so that somehow means that women are justified in feeling more fear, despite men being more likely to be violently victimised as a whole. It doesn't do women any favours in terms of gaining sceptical men's sympath… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/01/22 11:50 AM |
| 7 | Complaining about not being treated equally whilst being treated equally- woman’s tweet to the AA. But the AA CEO’s response is even more concerning.That still isn't an important enough factor to justify this level of worry (or entitlement). If differences in physical strength (and thus the differing chances of survival) were a large enough consideration to outweigh men's greater risk of being targeted in the first place, you would see just as much or more dead women than dead men. But you don't. Homicide victims are vast majority male. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/01/22 02:28 AM |
| 14 | Complaining about not being treated equally whilst being treated equally- woman’s tweet to the AA. But the AA CEO’s response is even more concerning.Yeah. At the same time, I think this has its limits, as men who are too indiscriminately empathetic and altruistic to others can potentially be taken advantage of. What women seem to want is an empathetic man, but a man who will direct most of it towards her, and not other people. And he definitely shouldn't need any significant help of his own. As discussed in this conversation you can see a very extreme version of this in a lot of romance books in which women will be attracted to bad boys that… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/01/22 06:49 PM |
| 9 | Complaining about not being treated equally whilst being treated equally- woman’s tweet to the AA. But the AA CEO’s response is even more concerning.Biscuits? You son of a bitch, I'm in. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/01/22 06:34 PM |
| 31 | Complaining about not being treated equally whilst being treated equally- woman’s tweet to the AA. But the AA CEO’s response is even more concerning.I think u/LacklustreFriend described the situation really well here. "In the context of gender roles however, men actually can express emotion - it's just that men are only expected to express emotion on behalf of someone, and generally in a way that drives action. It's why anger is the most socially acceptable (stereotypical) male emotion, as anger is a great driver of action, related to the role as men as (hyper)agents. Men can get upset or express too, but only on behalf of someone, typically… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/01/22 04:58 PM |
| 24 | Complaining about not being treated equally whilst being treated equally- woman’s tweet to the AA. But the AA CEO’s response is even more concerning.Unfortunately they don't care about the statistics. It's all feelz. They're feeling things first, then subsequently rationalising it to themselves in whatever way they can. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/01/22 04:12 PM |
| 46 | Complaining about not being treated equally whilst being treated equally- woman’s tweet to the AA. But the AA CEO’s response is even more concerning.I just think this about men in general. It's fascinating just how much they collectively let feminists get away with for the purported benefit of women. They shouldn't even give an inch, but they let them take a mile, or even a fucking astronomical unit. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/01/22 04:09 PM |
| 39 | Complaining about not being treated equally whilst being treated equally- woman’s tweet to the AA. But the AA CEO’s response is even more concerning.This study provides some support for your claim. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/31489318_Gender_Socially_Desirable_Responding_and_the_Fear_of_Crime_Are_Women_Really_More_Anxious_about_Crime "The data show that for men, but not women, reported fear levels are inversely related to scores on a so-called ‘lie scale’, which measures the tendency to provide socially desirable rather than totally candid responses. This pattern holds irrespective of age and suggests that the genders are affect… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/01/22 04:03 PM |
| 27 | Complaining about not being treated equally whilst being treated equally- woman’s tweet to the AA. But the AA CEO’s response is even more concerning.While this source is somewhat feminist leaning, I find it interesting that it notes that male robbers express a reluctance to target women despite women actually being ideal targets. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/31065232_Gender_motivation_and_the_accomplishment_of_street_robbery_in_the_United_Kingdom "Overall, the men in our sample tended not to target women, or, if they did, they did not admit it. Overwhelmingly, the cases discussed here involved men robbing men or men robbing male/… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/01/22 03:56 PM |
| 30 | Complaining about not being treated equally whilst being treated equally- woman’s tweet to the AA. But the AA CEO’s response is even more concerning.Yeah. Meanwhile, I'm a short, skinny little shit who's 5'6 or so, approx 100 pounds and who does walks at 3am, and who actually has had some creepy experiences out that late. And I still do it. I seriously don't understand this extreme paranoia and neuroticism that is so common among so many women. It's genuinely paralysing and unhealthy, and yet you're supposed to kowtow to, make special considerations for and enable that (IMO damaging) level of fear. I refuse to do that, especially when their … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/01/22 03:42 PM |
| 2 | No, for the last time, men do not get killed less than womenOh yeah, that's entirely possible. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 20/01/22 04:00 PM |
| 3 | No, for the last time, men do not get killed less than womenI'll disagree with Farrell here though. Divorce-related ex-spouse murders would be substantially money-motivated. I think Farrell is mainly stating that the cases in which men shoot their families and then themselves are not motivated by a desire for financial gain, seeing as they are subsequently dead. They don't have to hide it, because they don't plan not to be noticed. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 20/01/22 06:32 AM |
| 1 | No, for the last time, men do not get killed less than womenI'll disagree with Farrell here though. Divorce-related ex-spouse murders would be substantially money-motivated. I think Farrell is mainly stating that the cases in which people shoot their families and then themselves are not money-motivated, not that there are no cases of domestic homicide which are money motivated. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 20/01/22 06:31 AM |
| 1 | No, for the last time, men do not get killed less than womenI'll disagree with Farrell here though. Divorce-related ex-spouse murders would be substantially money-motivated. I think Farrell is mainly stating that the cases in which people shoot their families and then themselves are not money-motivated, not that there are no cases of domestic homicide which are money motivated. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 20/01/22 06:31 AM |
| 14 | Twitter is currently overwhelmed with posts from India, warning about exploitative new gender laws. Too many posts to moderate, so you get a short glimpse of what folks there actually think.AFAIK, the rape laws in India have historically been gendered so that women by definition could not be perpetrators. Feminists just protested to keep it that way. Then they complain about the marital rape exemption and how it doesn't cover the specific case of wives raped by their husbands when the rape definition completely wholesale excludes female perpetration. Completely myopic. While there is a section addressing "unnatural offences", I don't see anything in the Indian Penal Code which crim… | /r/MensRights | 20/01/22 05:54 AM |
| 7 | No, for the last time, men do not get killed less than womenThe numbers aren't absolute due to the the number being an extrapolation from only those cases where the relationship between the victim and offender are known. Aha, I was looking for this and stumbled across it now. Farrell, in his 1999 book "Women Can't Hear What Men Don't Say" suggests that the domestic homicide numbers are somewhat to be questioned. https://archive.org/details/warren_farrell_women_cant_hear_what_men_dont_say/page/n161/mode/2up?q=But+aren%27t+husbands+more+likely+to+kill+thei… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 20/01/22 05:44 AM |
| 2 | the idea that ~90% of rape victims are women is most often based on statistics that exclude male victims. And it's often feminists that push for that exclusion.It's probably a good idea to make a post out of it. Just make sure to cite Karen Straughan because she's who the quote comes from. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 20/01/22 04:41 AM |
| 7 | No, for the last time, men do not get killed less than womenI am really sleep deprived so this may be a bit poorly worded, but I'm not triggered about it. I just think that the usage of "femicide" by feminists is incredibly misleading and is used to paint a very slanted picture of things. I refuse to use that term because that term in practice is used in conjunction with a female victimhood narrative to indicate that women are killed unfairly because of their sex, and that men are not. But there is no evidence for this claim. As I noted in another commen… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/01/22 08:02 PM |
| 7 | No, for the last time, men do not get killed less than womenI wouldn't accept that definition at all. Firstly, one would have to wonder where men killed by women close to them fit, under this definition. Do they also fall under the category of "femicide"? Secondly, one also has to wonder why being killed by a person of the opposite sex is so much worse than being killed by a member of one's own sex to warrant it being placed in a separate category from regular homicide and treated differently. Is it any better if a mother kills her daughter than her son?… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/01/22 06:42 PM |
| 59 | The Swedish Gender Equality Agency classifies violence against men as violence against womensticks head into pillow, muffled screaming ensues Every single time I think things can't get more retarded, they do. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/01/22 04:25 AM |
| 24 | No, for the last time, men do not get killed less than womenI don't believe that that's really the part that u/Skirt_Douglas is objecting to. The use of the term "femicide" and to a lesser extent "violence against women" basically implies that women are victimised because they are women and that men are not victimised because they are men, thus placing anything that may befall women in a special category needing special attention. There is no such strong evidence for this being the case, however. And one would think that if women were being killed specif… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/01/22 03:54 AM |
| 5 | the idea that ~90% of rape victims are women is most often based on statistics that exclude male victims. And it's often feminists that push for that exclusion.I'm going to be entirely blunt, this type of paranoia and neuroticism isn't a healthy mindset. I'm sorry, but this is an example of the kind of harm that feminists and feminist politics wreak on women. The fear and defensiveness you are feeling is caused due to a false feminist narrative that has been promoted in the media, in academia, in pretty much every corner of society. It isn't true. You read stories of sexual harassment of women in the media because the media selectively publicises cases… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/01/22 03:17 AM |
| 3 | the idea that ~90% of rape victims are women is most often based on statistics that exclude male victims. And it's often feminists that push for that exclusion.As yet another example of the egregious harm that feminists have caused, look at what they've done with the topic of domestic violence (DV). The second wave of feminists came up with their misandric Duluth Model of domestic violence which is based on the feminist theory that men oppress women. It is predicated on a paradigm of domestic violence that assumes that men are aggressors and women are victims, which characterises DV as a primarily male-perpetrated crime caused by "patriarchal terrorism… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/01/22 02:59 AM |
| 3 | the idea that ~90% of rape victims are women is most often based on statistics that exclude male victims. And it's often feminists that push for that exclusion.So now I'm kind of seeing feminism (or I guess Big Feminism) as more like the democratic party...they do bad shit, but they're better than the alternatives. They are not better than the alternatives. In my opinion, they are the worst alternative that you could pick. And I don't actually know what Big Feminism does, since I assumed they do the stuff I agree with. The National Organisation for Women is as mainstream feminist as you can get and it has a proven track record of actively opposing shar… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/01/22 02:56 AM |
| 3 | LWMA Lounge January 2022She's truly insane. Then again, I can't say I'm surprised. Feminism is an incredibly damaging memetic disease. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/01/22 04:18 PM |
| 9 | the idea that ~90% of rape victims are women is most often based on statistics that exclude male victims. And it's often feminists that push for that exclusion.https://np.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/jq73y/dear_transsexuals/c2eld8l/?context=999 Here. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/01/22 10:00 AM |
| 20 | the idea that ~90% of rape victims are women is most often based on statistics that exclude male victims. And it's often feminists that push for that exclusion.If you really want an answer, I think I'd go with the latter. Disassociate yourself from the group. There are many other labels you can call yourself, like "egalitarian", that does not carry all the baggage that "feminist" does. The following is roughly quoted from a comment I found elsewhere on Reddit which I think encapsulates my position. As feminists, many feminists harm others because of their feminism. In fact, the worldview and belief system that drives the most powerful and influential m… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/01/22 08:15 AM |
| 4 | Dating as a male advocateBut making these things the main selling point of your personality is a huge no for me. That behaviour conveys at least one of the following to me: 1: You are extremely attached to your identity group and are almost certainly going to be very tribal about it. 2: You have an overwhelming need to be treated as special and are not an interesting enough person to stick out on your merits alone. 3: You almost certainly buy into some woke concepts. All of these things are massively irritating to me. I… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/01/22 06:44 PM |
| 6 | Dating as a male advocateOh, I agree. Especially about this: There’s even one thing I like about bi guys, which is the fact that they don’t seem overly attached to their own sexuality or the gay community, which is true for me as well. From what I've seen there's a link between attachment to sexuality and belief in woke concepts. I'm unsure if LGBT people who are more attached to their sexuality in the first place are more likely to embrace wokeness, or if LGBT people who embrace woke ideology become more attached to th… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/01/22 01:12 PM |
| 13 | Boston University requires "students and faculty to affirm that people 'rarely' make false accusations." Choosing "sometimes" was *not* an acceptable answer. Teachers who don't get it "right" will not be eligible for a raise, students who don't will be blocked from registering for next semester.Jesus fucking Christ. Feminists never cease to awe me with their utter shittiness. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/01/22 05:24 AM |
| 6 | Dating as a male advocateMaybe the double negative is confusing, but I'm unsure where you got that I am biphobic from when I specifically stated "I'm not unwilling to date bisexual men". | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/01/22 02:50 AM |
| 6 | Dating as a male advocateMenslib believes in being a profeminist community, meaning antifeminist content is taken down. Otherwise, men's issues are prioritized. Sounds about right. Phrased another way, Menslib is feminism first, men's rights a very distant second and thus anything in men's advocacy that contradicts the feminist narrative or any of their framings of gender issues get taken down. Though I would believe it's very hard to say that's men's issues being "prioritised". | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/01/22 02:10 AM |
| 7 | Dating as a male advocateGood thing that I didn't actually say that I got a pass on it for being gay. I'm not at the moment going to discuss the morality or lack thereof of not dating someone bisexual (or whether it warrants the term "phobia"), but I think you've read between the lines inappropriately and taken something away from the second paragraph I wrote that almost certainly wasn't intended. I believe that I made it clear that I thought he was assuming I'm some caricature who just irrationally dislikes LGBT people… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/01/22 01:58 AM |
| 12 | Dating as a male advocateNah. I'm not unwilling to date bisexual men. Just in case this is based on some assumption that I am disgusted by "LGBT" people, I will put it out there that I'm gay myself. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 12/01/22 04:45 PM |
| 13 | Dating as a male advocateAs someone who is attracted to men nothing is a turn-off quite like "I'm a male feminist". Firstly, I'll likely have huge disagreements with anyone who identifies as feminist, given all the bullshit feminists regularly spew. If that doesn't prevent them from wanting to adopt the label, or if they actually agree with that shit, I'd give then a wide berth. Secondly, for lack of a better word, it massively reeks of soy. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 12/01/22 02:28 PM |
| 18 | this article is seriously one of the most disturbing things I've ever read, she thinks that even defending any man is conditioned into her by "patriarchy" and also seems to think that more masculine women should reject it just based on the fact that masculinity is associated with menI’ll say it now—this is why I think some feminists are willing and capable of turning on their own male loved ones, even their own children. I think a lot of women, even many who aren't deep into the feminist movement, are capable of a lesser version of this. While it's the more extreme and radical ones who are capable of outright hating their male loved ones, what I've noticed is that most women who buy into the feminist ideology or at least some of its tenets are able to maintain some really m… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 11/01/22 01:38 AM |
| 15 | Strawman Fallacy: FGM vs. MGMThe misunderstanding is wilful and intentional. This video will help only on the assumption that our detractors want to understand the point we're making. They don't. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/01/22 08:57 AM |
| 10 | On the Gender Empathy Gap and its correlates: a comprehensive collection of resources (Part IV)Another thing to note with regards to the gender empathy gap is that in Malaysia, the country I grew up in, women can't be judicially caned (the most severe form of caning). Judicial caning is laid down as a permitted punishment in the Criminal Procedure Code and in section 289, women are specifically exempted from it. https://www.ius.uzh.ch/dam/jcr:00000000-573e-dcae-ffff-ffffc6f8c3e1/Act593.pdf Sentence of whipping forbidden in certain cases No sentence of whipping shall be executed by instalm… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/01/22 02:31 AM |
| 5 | On the Gender Empathy Gap and its correlates: a comprehensive collection of resources (Part IV)I tend to be fairly liberal with that. I hope you don't mind that. Feel free to liberally reuse what I've posted. I don't mind so long it's used to spread awareness. I now realise that I unintentionally came off like I don't want people sharing stuff of mine in my first comment but no, I really don't mind at all. I'm in favour of it, actually. It would be incredibly hypocritical for me to fault you for that anyway because I take stuff from other people all the time. I was just curious because th… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/01/22 02:08 AM |
| 8 | On the Gender Empathy Gap and its correlates: a comprehensive collection of resources (Part IV)Amazing. I've saved all of these. Really, really good work. I think I recognise some sources I cited in there, specifically Allen and Bradley 2017, but you might have come across them independently from me. On that topic of IPV, when I posted a critique of a feminist study about IPV in another (fairly heterodox) subreddit, I was almost immediately drowned in a fucking avalanche of "IPV shouldn't be considered as equally abusive when women do it to men, tho". I don't hold that viewpoint, to say t… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/01/22 01:54 AM |
| 20 | Just a thought about crime, gender and a moraleEvery single time someone throws around conspiracy theories like “patriarchy” (defined as male oppression of women) and stuff like the demonstrably bullshit idea that violence against women is uniquely and systemically gendered and approved by the culture whereas violence against men is not, they lose all credibility in my mind. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/01/22 01:20 AM |
| 8 | What Do You Think About Dr. Shawn Smith's Advice Not To Date Feminists?I can't recall very many times where I have been treated as one of the girls. I think it becomes very clear from the way I behave that I am not that. I do not act stereotypically gay and am pretty unsociable, and actually tend to prefer the type of geeky, hobby-based discussions that you're more able to have with men. The type of mostly relational, gossipy discourse that women participate in bores me to death, and having access to the "sisterhood" is not something I care much for. That being sai… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/01/22 02:55 PM |
| 7 | I stumbled on a UN page on a claim that 40 % of all child soldiers are girls. Now, that can't be true if talk about combat soldiers but I didn't manage to find a more realistic figure.The problem with the "40% of child soldiers are girls" claim is that it is extremely speculative and dubious at best. It's an upper limit estimate derived from interviews with some child soldiers (so the figures are not empirically derived), done only in a specific country (the DRC), which then got extrapolated inappropriately and then slowly started being drip-fed into the public discourse as an Unchallengeable Truth through sheer repetition. Here is a FeministCritics post criticising that stat… | /r/MensRights | 03/01/22 02:29 AM |
| 3 | Why is the burden of knowing "good" from "bad" feminism placed solely on men?Interesting that u/throwra_coolname209 has been suspended. From what I saw of him, he was extremely, extremely moderate with everything he said. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 31/12/21 07:29 AM |
| 7 | LWMA Lounge December 2021I'll be back to a consistent posting schedule of rebuttals and stats soon, this is a more personal question or vent post. I'm unsure how to keep my head on my shoulders when doing this stuff. I spent most of yesterday in a state of frustration and despair with no way to let it out. Being constantly inundated with feminist propaganda and tackling these misconceptions about "male oppression of women" and "female disadvantage" that most people seem to hold about gender relations is so intensely exh… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/12/21 04:12 AM |
| 12 | I think we should write a big documentI'd be willing to participate in such efforts. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/12/21 03:09 AM |
| 4 | "Its men doing that to other men" - Response to struggles men face, stumped me in a debate with friends and I regret not knowing what to sayI think you mean "We have more empathy for women", or "We have less empathy for men." Anyway, with regards to the topic the OP was talking about, I'm kind of continuously shocked at just how callous and mercenary women can be regarding men, considering that they likely have men they care about. And not even just feminist women, either. What I've noticed is that how women behave regarding the men they care about isn't necessarily indicative of how they will behave regarding larger social matters … | /r/MensRights | 24/12/21 11:51 AM |
| 3 | But they don’t care about the fact that men are much more likely to die at work, by homicide or suicide.This might sound bad, but at this point I have pretty much lost any smidgen of basic empathy or compassion for them that I have for even your average person on the street. They’re truly awful totalitarian ideologues pushing a false gender-based threat narrative, and they not only come up with lies and misinformation but also actively suppress results that may contradict said threat narrative. | /r/AntiFeminists | 24/12/21 09:07 AM |
| 3 | Julian Assange as a left wing anti-feminist symbolBut that's still not the same as "using feminism". I think we should be careful with stuff like that. Yes, we should. Which is why I basically never word it as "using feminism". I try to be as accurate with my language as possible. I think those people who wrote this document didn't see anything wrong with it. They likely didn't. But this is a self-fulfilling thing. The more women's struggles are emphasised and men's are minimised, the more people are going to falsely believe women are oppressed… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/12/21 01:50 PM |
| 4 | Julian Assange as a left wing anti-feminist symbolThis is from a document called "CIA Red Cell Special Memorandum: Afghanistan: Sustaining West European Support for the NATO-led Mission-Why Counting on Apathy Might Not Be Enough". This classified CIA analysis from March outlines possible PR strategies to shore up public support in Germany and France for a continued war in Afghanistan. After the Dutch government fell on the issue of Dutch troops in Afghanistan last month, the CIA became worried that similar events could happen in the countries t… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/12/21 01:11 PM |
| 4 | Another Reason FOM Violence Is So UnderreportedSo women's physical violence isn't really "violence", because it isn't recognized as dangerous or potentially harmful. Female perpetrated physical violence is violence, rather what I think you mean is just that people don't consider it as an issue worthy of attention when they really should. People consider it as understandable and excusable and even find it to be a source of humour when perpetrated against men, although it can be and often is extremely harmful. But I absolutely agree that proxy… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/12/21 03:58 AM |
| 2 | Another Reason FOM Violence Is So UnderreportedOkay, the link should work now. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/12/21 01:05 AM |
| 18 | Another Reason FOM Violence Is So UnderreportedEven when you look only at physical acts, women commit as much or more intimate partner violence than men do. I've written about this several times before, but I'd say Fiebert's bibliography of studies showing gender symmetry in DV is a pretty good collection of studies demonstrating that women are as aggressive or more aggressive in relationships with their male partners than men are with their female partners. https://web.archive.org/web/20150317054614/https://web.csulb.edu/~mfiebert/assault.h… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 20/12/21 03:25 PM |
| 8 | Child marriage in sixteenth-century northern England: the emotional undertones in the legal narrativesI've already posted this in LWMA, but thought that this would work well here as well. Here's the first paragraph that stood out to me: Canon law decreed that no child under the age of seven could contract a marriage, although as this paper demonstrates, all parents did not adhere to this directive. Contemporary commentators expressed their opinion vis-à-vis this stipulation: Henry Swinburne, a judge of the Prerogative Court in York, clearly stated that children under the age of seven could not c… | /r/Male_Studies | 18/12/21 10:24 AM |
| 11 | I find it telling that feminists regularly discuss the gender income gap, but never what it actually means in terms of quality of life.That Vox article is exactly the kind of factless, ideologically driven crap I would expect from that shitrag. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/12/21 02:34 AM |
| 21 | I find it telling that feminists regularly discuss the gender income gap, but never what it actually means in terms of quality of life.feminists say that's because they now have to work and still take care of the household with unpaid labor By phrasing it this way, it implies that women's paid workload doesn't differ from men's, and that men do not do the tasks which they label "unpaid labour". This is misleading because it ignores that women do far less paid work than men do, and that men also participate in unpaid labour. https://web.archive.org/web/20100821122120/http://www2.lse.ac.uk/newsAndMedia/news/archives/2010/08/domes… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/12/21 02:19 AM |
| 15 | I find it telling that feminists regularly discuss the gender income gap, but never what it actually means in terms of quality of life.Despite their lower income, women actually have higher levels of job satisfaction than men. https://ftp.iza.org/dp12703.pdf https://web.archive.org/web/20200306035725/https://ftp.iza.org/dp12703.pdf "Women, on average, report greater job satisfaction than men. ... We find that wages, promotion prospects, job insecurity, skills mismatch and the level of worker autonomy are all important determinants of job satisfaction. However, even after controlling for these characteristics a gender satisfacti… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/12/21 01:08 AM |
| 24 | Women dodge draft because of female privilege. Menslibs response? *Those poor women*I don’t agree with your contention that conservatives see women as property. It's an almost completely semantic argument which is impossible to falsify because that claim is pulled solely out of thin air. Stating that someone whose life is valued is being treated as property is incredibly baroque and contrived reasoning, IMO. And with that very same reasoning, you could similarly and just as convincingly argue that they also see men as “property” - tools made to satisfy a certain end for the ben… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/12/21 10:08 AM |
| 1 | A theory I have on why male virgins are mocked but not female virginsThey are. And yet people have this massive misconception that this stuff only happened to women. It's crazy how many gendered myths there are about the past. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/12/21 11:17 AM |
| 5 | A theory I have on why male virgins are mocked but not female virginsYeah. But what grinds my gears is that it’s not even just feminist academics at this point. Many historians who talk about the topic of coverture write things which essentially amount to a suffocating haze of ideological narratives largely informed by patriarchy theory, including (but not in the slightest limited to): 1. protracted lamentations about wives' theoretical legal "nonexistence" and "civil death", 2. painfully florid narratives about married women's supposed lack of agency and authori… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/12/21 05:37 AM |
| 5 | A theory I have on why male virgins are mocked but not female virginsYeah, it's just ridiculous. Marriage required consent by both parties, and meaningful consent could usually only be given when they were considered legally competent to do so. While parties could be betrothed from the age of seven onwards with words of future consent, they had to implicitly (by consummation) or explicitly (verbally) ratify it when they reached puberty or at least sexual maturity, and if they did not want it they could have the marriage annulled when they hit puberty. Legal puber… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/12/21 05:14 AM |
| 2 | A theory I have on why male virgins are mocked but not female virginsIf you speak Spanish I can link you to a blog I read that did an excellent way of describing the way feminism manipulates language to weaponize all the words you use against you, while keeping all the words they use deliberately vague, so that they can mean whatever they want them to mean while also reading you on how you don't understand them. I can't speak Spanish, but I can try and use a translator. Link it. I recommend is you read some feminist literature instead of listening to them talk an… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/12/21 01:00 AM |
| 9 | A theory I have on why male virgins are mocked but not female virginsI've spoken about this before - toxic masculinity is a term that gets heavily motte-and-bailied. Feminists use the word "toxic masculinity" in a way that blames men for society's and also their own problems and implies that men as well as masculinity generally is deficient and harmful to men but particularly so to women and society, connecting it with some of the worst human behaviours such as rape, school shootings, war and genocide, but when called on it they'll say the term only refers to a s… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/12/21 12:15 AM |
| 9 | A theory I have on why male virgins are mocked but not female virgins"Women were essentially objects traded" Ugh. At this point, this fucking phrase makes me want to reach through my keyboard and strangle this user and anyone else who says it. "Objects traded!!!" So fucking hyperbolic and such an idiotic portrayal of the past. They never give any example of how women were "traded" like "objects". The most they can usually offer up are marriages of convenience, which certainly wasn't only a female issue. As Mary Beard notes: https://www.marxists.org/archive/beard/… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/12/21 11:47 PM |
| 2 | My 2021 Reddit RecapI've downloaded and listening to Incunabula now. I can't honestly remember what I listened to back then but Bike sounded familiar so I got the album. If you haven't already listened to Autechre's later material, you probably should check out Exai (which released in 2013). They've really, really evolved since the 90s. Exai was my entry point into their discography. bladelores is a stellar track, and 1 1 is is great too. Bonus points if you're willing to take on the glitchy onslaught of spl9. Thou… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/12/21 08:30 AM |
| 3 | My 2021 Reddit RecapWhat, there's another Autechre listener here? You are officially the coolest person in this subreddit. Well, aside from me. And maybe a few others. And it is a bit creepy, though certainly to be expected I suppose. I have another account devoted mainly to music discussion and the ability I got for that account in my recap was "Vibing", with the description "You know the sound a song is missing. Your music casts Charm when it plays." If it hadn't been so spot-on both times, I would've thought it … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/12/21 04:22 AM |
| 6 | Feminism kills. The following is a post appearing on TrueOffMyChest. The feminist depiction of humanity as "one abusive sex, one abused sex" is the social hiding and legitimization of female violence and abuse under a guise of equality. When half of humanity is exempt of humane imperatives.Nitpick away. And yeah, NOW has given no concern to children being placed with violent mothers because of the judicial preference for maternal custody. In all their htitpieces against father's rights groups they start from an ideological assumption that family violence is primarily male-perpetrated despite a huge mass of evidence contradicting that. | /r/MensRights | 13/12/21 04:06 AM |
| 7 | Feminism kills. The following is a post appearing on TrueOffMyChest. The feminist depiction of humanity as "one abusive sex, one abused sex" is the social hiding and legitimization of female violence and abuse under a guise of equality. When half of humanity is exempt of humane imperatives.You're doing the same thing that NOW did: Falsely claim that the bills will make courts place children with violent parents because they "just said 50/50 without thinking". There is no evidence that they will do that. Claiming that "judges will lean hard on 50/50" is an unsubstantiated claim about "might" and "could" and "perhaps" specifically made to discredit the bills and justify NOW's unjustifiable actions. The bills in question that NOW opposed specifically state that if there is evidence t… | /r/MensRights | 12/12/21 10:35 PM |
| 7 | LGBTQ community started to speak up about misandry in some subcommittees.I would also say differently. That being said I don't much see the importance of fitting in perfectly into any one political "tribe". Being honest about your views is far more important. I've heard people call this phenomenon of people pretending that their opinions are different from what they really are "preference falsification". When a large group of people engage in preference falsification, their complicity only serves to reinforce the predominant narrative and serves to justify to other d… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 12/12/21 01:56 PM |
| 8 | LGBTQ community started to speak up about misandry in some subcommittees.Thanks, haha. This stuff pisses me off so much. I think at this point I've become this sub's resident disgruntled curmudgeon, shaking my fist at everything that angers me. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 12/12/21 01:23 PM |
| 19 | My 2021 Reddit Recaphttps://imgur.com/a/F61o9kt Yep, they completely misidentified the main communities I participate in and my highest voted post this year as well. This sub and MR would've featured heavily otherwise. Also, my ability is "Moral Compass". Which surprised me because I'm almost certain that Reddit admins would not identify my positions as moral and upstanding. I'm of the opinion that they'd think of them as "problematic" (pun intended) and ban-worthy. Perhaps the algorithm differs from them. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 12/12/21 01:00 PM |
| 10 | LGBTQ community started to speak up about misandry in some subcommittees.Even this I think is too charitable. Saying that his post even approaches the problem is a stretch. Saying that his post comes close is a Grand Canyon-sized leap. Saying anything over and above that is trying to make it all the way from Earth to Mars. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 12/12/21 01:28 AM |
| 51 | LGBTQ community started to speak up about misandry in some subcommittees.Warning, rant incoming. Except Jax isn’t actually calling out misandry, he’s calling out homophobia. He is saying it’s a problem because it effects gay men, trans men, and any other MLM, the effect that it has on ALL men, doesn’t seem to be a good enough reason in it’s own. Typical. No, seriously. Typical. I just read Jax's Instagram post and it is all intersectionality and feminist-inspired bullshit. You are basically correct that he is only calling out statements like "Ew, Men" only insofar as… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 12/12/21 01:02 AM |
| 12 | let's talk about gendered violence against men(and I think it's a bit mysoginistic to concentrate on men's active role when women do their fair share in the background during war, even on the side of "the bad guys") Women's agency and role in shaping outcomes suddenly magically disappears when they don't want to take accountability for it. That's the incredibly annoying thing about how women influence society. Lots of things that women do are shrouded in this veil of plausible deniability which allows them to take credit if they so please a… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/12/21 03:06 PM |
| 17 | let's talk about gendered violence against menRegarding your claims about war rape, this certainly isn't something which can be considered a "women's issue". https://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/02/opinion/02stemple.html AS disturbing new reports of male rape in Congo made clear, wartime sexual violence isn’t limited to women and girls. But in its ongoing effort to eradicate rape during conflict, the United Nations continues to overlook a significant imperative: ending wartime sexual assault of men and boys as well. Sexual violence against men d… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/12/21 03:00 PM |
| 4 | Do men have a higher bar as to what they consider sexual harassments?I think his point is not that female misbehavior is necessarily so general, but that female reputation is; and that exists only in the minds of those perceiving and processing said reputation. The Women are Wonderful effect. Pretty much. I could've certainly worded it in a less inflammatory way, but this is basically what I mean. That said, I lean more in the camp of "attractive people are wonderful" being the real effect, It's almost certainly the case that an "attractive people are wonderful e… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/12/21 10:12 PM |
| 3 | Do men have a higher bar as to what they consider sexual harassments?I seriously don't understand how women in general continue to be perceived so positively despite so many modern women's incredibly dysfunctional and solipsistic behaviour, and clear fetishisation and weaponisation of victimhood to claim privileges and entitlements at the expense of men. It's insane how people don't see it. And people get so uncomfortable when you even suggest that it's increasingly common for women to act in a very dysfunctional manner, and never suffer any consequence for their… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/12/21 12:55 PM |
| 24 | Do men have a higher bar as to what they consider sexual harassments?In this poll, I asked" Do you consider dirty jokes that make you uncomfortable to be sexual harassments? " This is just spitballing, but I'd wager your poll actually understates the gender difference as women are far more easily made uncomfortable than men (greater female neuroticism is a very repeatable finding), and therefore the men who answer the poll are likely thinking of more lewd and severe types of jokes than the women who answer the poll as it takes more to make them uncomfortable in t… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/12/21 09:57 AM |
| 6 | LWMA Lounge December 2021To add to your point, I keep getting these unskippable respect.gov.au ads on youtube, and I can't fucking ask youtube to stop showing me them because they're "important ads from the Australian government". Click on a video and wham, you're being force-fed feminist propaganda bullshit about how these poor women are victims of these evil men and how we need to reeducate our sons to not be oppressors. You literally can't escape it even if you try. I might start using a VPN for youtube if this keeps… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/12/21 09:27 AM |
| 6 | Why is patriarchy never open for debate?Too many focus on "verificationism", which is a very perilous and lazy method of making discoveries. And Patriarchy at its heart is an assertion that cannot be falsified. They don't use the evidence to inform their conclusion. Feminists start with a premature conclusion, then they use that conclusion to explain away any piece of counter-evidence in order to make their ideology completely self-sealing. It's tantamount to religious dogma. That's the origin of the unfalsifiability of their ideology… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/12/21 12:08 AM |
| 21 | Have we excluded women in research?Yep. I am very firmly in the camp of "all of it is pure shit and has been from the beginning". The amount of plain lying and obfuscation they've engaged in is immense, and it doesn't exactly inspire confidence in the accuracy of any of their claims. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 01/12/21 06:49 PM |
| 2 | The lies we tell ourselvesMy point is that there is a massive difference between race being a social construct and our current operative system of race classification being a social construct. The former is an (intentionally or unintentionally) incredibly misleading framing of things. Calling someone "bald" is also technically relying on a classification which is a social construct since there is absolutely no clear boundary for when someone is considered to be bald, yet we continue to refer to people as bald for ease of… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 01/12/21 07:34 AM |
| 3 | The lies we tell ourselvesSo far, the various arguments I've seen forwarded here in favour of why race is socially constructed are all variations on the continuum fallacy. It's basically arguing that two states or conditions cannot be considered distinct (or do not exist at all) because between them there exists a continuum of states. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 01/12/21 07:07 AM |
| 12 | "To end bullying, racism and misandry in schools." And Yet, Nothing About MisandryIt truly is insane how men are constantly made to grovel because of the existence of a few damaged men who represent the negative extreme and not the norm. Meanwhile, we never apply the same logic to women and expect them to take collective responsibility for any female bad actors (partially due to a persistent and IMO patently false belief that women are wonderful, at least compared to men). It drives me mad just how prejudiced that is. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 01/12/21 03:21 AM |
| 1 | The lies we tell ourselvesI literally did not do that. You only noticed what I wrote now after I pointed out that you were in fact ironically strawmanning me while accusing me of strawmanning you. Except that you literally did do that. You moved the conversation from "race is a social construct with no basis in science" to "race is not based on anything genetically meaningful". Without an explanation as to what might constitute "genetically meaningful". Between what races? Nobody ever established proper "racial categorie… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 01/12/21 02:22 AM |
| 3 | The lies we tell ourselvesIronically this itself is a strawman. And it is second time you put it up. Actually, no. It's not. You keep diverting the conversation to "genetically meaningful" when the question is about whether there are genetic distinctions between races at all in the first place. There are, and thus race does have basis in biology. More than this, your argument is based almost solely on the idea that if races aren't these genetically discrete categories then the idea of race can be discarded. Again, this i… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 01/12/21 01:46 AM |
| 3 | The lies we tell ourselvesSocial racial categories are not founded on anything genetically meaningful. Races in the sense that most racists believe in do not exist. You seem to be attacking some imagined strawman of my point where you think I believe that everyone with a certain skin colour is genetically identical. I don't know if you realise just how much you've failed to address anything at all I've said, but you keep on keeping on. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 01/12/21 01:39 AM |
| 7 | The lies we tell ourselvesNo one said that people with this or that skin colour are all genetically the same. Just that race does indeed have something to do with biology. It's like claiming that the idea of colour is a social construct because some shades of purple are actually closer to some shades of pink than they are to other shades of purple. Incredibly bizarre, the racism of Anglos. Uhhh, where's the racism? Also, I grew up in Asia. I'm continually assumed to be Anglo or white despite being not. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 01/12/21 01:27 AM |
| 3 | The lies we tell ourselvesI feel almost as if I'm misunderstanding the argument because it's so on its face ridiculous, but it's so incredibly bizarre to me how people can think race has "no basis in science" given the actual and measurable physical differences between groups of people. Apparently these physical differences too are just socially constructed out of thin air and have absolutely no genetic basis to them, nope. It's also so incredibly bizarre to me that these claims are being upvoted. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 01/12/21 01:10 AM |
| 2 | LWMA Lounge November 2021Yeah, the whole complaint basically amounts to "I should be able to exploit and advertise my sexuality as much as possible, but how DARE it have an effect on the way you view me and how DARE you take notice of it in ways I disapprove of!" Utter hypocrisy and lack of self-awareness. Then this is what happens the second a man takes notice. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/11/21 08:30 PM |
| 20 | Am I the only one who notices that gender roles are more rigid for men than are for women?I just talked to someone on Twitter, one of these God-and-family types, who claimed that conscription should be male only and that "Sending women to war is a vile insult to the most essential, perfect creation on the planet". He justified this because 1: men are physically stronger, thus better at war and 2: it is easier to repopulate with more women. He stated his belief that the sexes have complementary functions and should not be made to perform the same activities. I said: "Okay, well let's … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/11/21 08:06 PM |
| 9 | Lack of empathy for men onlineWith regards to the claims about custody, I saw a 1996 stat which investigated gender differences in divorce settlements (most of which are reached through informal negotiation among ex-partners). In the sample used, 71% of the settlements were self-determined. However, the study also noted "With respect to custody arrangements, the decrees overwhelmingly favored mothers' preferences: 67% of mothers-but only 15% of fathers-obtained both the legal and residential custody arrangements that they pr… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/11/21 07:21 PM |
| 10 | Were women property and men privileged under the Code of Hammurabi? An in depth analysisSaved it. Well done, really good research here. I'm also sick and tired as well of coming across these misconceptions about "women's historical oppression by men" that continuously crop up again and again and again. The more I look into it, the less grounding I realise that narrative has, and the more I realise that they have to selectively interpret information and outright ignore a lot of information in order to promote that viewpoint. As an aside, I've been following your posts for a while an… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/11/21 07:37 PM |
| 6 | Nancy Pelosi Warns Women Are More Exposed To Negative Impact Of Climate ChangeThis "dependency" is something women aspire towards. As Catherine Hakim notes: https://cps.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/111026184004-FeministMythsandMagicMedicine.pdf "Women’s aspiration to marry up, if they can, to a man who is better-educated and higher-earning, persists in most European countries. The Nordic countries share this pattern with all other parts of Europe. Women thereby continue to use marriage as an alternative or supplement to their employment careers. Financial dependence … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/11/21 01:33 PM |
| 1 | “Make women feel safe”It's important to realize that people have phobias, and they will experience many unreasonable fears during simple, normal circumstances. Even worse though, catering to those constant fears only make things worse for the people you are supposedly trying to help. I recently argued a similar point, in the context of sexual encounters: https://www.reddit.com/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates/comments/qk1d4s/lwma_lounge_november_2021/hk6stsw/?context=3 | /r/MensRights | 14/11/21 01:15 PM |
| 5 | Titanic survival by gender and class. Why would an oppressor class overwhelmingly give their lives so that the people they oppress could live?I think you're responding to this paragraph of mine. Some of the people who cite it are feminists who seek to cover up a massive hole in their views of gender relations, but some of them are people who never actually learned to think for themselves, and are just assuming that everything that comes out of academia is legit. I think I failed to word this in a way that properly conveyed what I meant. What I mean by this is that it will be cited by feminists with an ideological axe to grind as well … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 12/11/21 07:53 PM |
| 11 | Titanic survival by gender and class. Why would an oppressor class overwhelmingly give their lives so that the people they oppress could live?I checked the original post now and there’s a highly upvoted and awarded comment linking the study, sadly. Of fucking course. This study was plastered all over the news when it came out and there was hardly any widely publicised criticism of it. It now gets completely uncritically dropped in any discussion about the Titanic which at all relates to gender. Some of the people who cite it are feminists who seek to cover up a massive hole in their views of gender relations, but some of them are peop… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 12/11/21 11:21 AM |
| 25 | Titanic survival by gender and class. Why would an oppressor class overwhelmingly give their lives so that the people they oppress could live?Feminists have already tried to attack the idea of male self-sacrifice. If someone tries to cite that stupid Swedish study of maritime disasters in order to try and argue that what happened on the Titanic was a rare one-off instance and that men did not display chivalry in other maritime disasters, I have already refuted that study thoroughly. https://www.reddit.com/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates/comments/pscqt5/critiquing_the_mikael_elinderoscar_erixson_study/ | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 12/11/21 08:38 AM |
| 7 | LWMA Lounge November 2021and also the sexual harassment that often accompanies the sexualization they complain about. Sure. I'm not really claiming that sexual harassment doesn't exist, nor that when it happens it isn't a problem. My points were related to sexualisation and sexualisation alone, and how many women take issue with being sexualised when sexualisation is a normal thing to do and isn't in itself wrong. People always have and always will "objectify" the people they're attracted to. By their definition of obje… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 11/11/21 10:52 AM |
| 5 | LWMA Lounge November 2021So I just heard some people in a voice chat talk about how women with large breasts are not in an enviable position (yes, that was the topic they were discussing at the moment I was there). One of the reasons offered up was the purported back pain that being so naturally endowed supposedly causes, and the other one of the reasons offered up was that "you'll be sexualised by every piece of shit out there" and this is apparently a hardship. I'm always very confused when I see this hysterical cater… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/11/21 06:11 PM |
| 12 | Toward a new theory of gender II: on the harmful notion of 'toxic masculinity'The problem is that it is not a solid definition of the term if it does not accurately depict how the term is used in practice and what people understand the term to mean. "Toxic masculinity" is one of these terms which are heavily motte-and-bailied. Feminists use the word "toxic masculinity" in a way that blames men for society's and also their own problems and implies that men as well as masculinity generally is deficient and harmful to men but particularly so to women and society, connecting … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/11/21 07:41 AM |
| 5 | If abortion isn't murder (and I agree that it's not), then LPS (a.k.a. paper abortion) is not child abandonment. Why do so many fellow pro-choice leftists not make this connection?And people keep saying without irony that this is, or ever was "a man's world". Yes, they do. I think people en masse have gone completely psychotic with regards to their views on sex and gender relations. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/11/21 08:32 PM |
| 6 | If abortion isn't murder (and I agree that it's not), then LPS (a.k.a. paper abortion) is not child abandonment. Why do so many fellow pro-choice leftists not make this connection?Yep. Also, I see that Mitoza did not read my comment that you linked them or if they did, they did not properly understand it. Just continued to make their typical, unevidenced, bad-faith, Twitter-level endless pithy responses. It's honestly sad to see how much actual law feminists have to ignore to make their arguments. Meanwhile, here's an actual adoption lawyer in a forum for legal advice answering a question about whether a father can give up a child to a safe haven without the mother's cons… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 01/11/21 04:39 AM |
| 4 | If abortion isn't murder (and I agree that it's not), then LPS (a.k.a. paper abortion) is not child abandonment. Why do so many fellow pro-choice leftists not make this connection?Yes. However, I would support LPS even after pregnancy and childbirth. There are cases where the father doesn't even know he's had a child at all and the mother years after comes after him for child support. Furthermore, if the mother is allowed the option to put her child in a safe haven, being able to surrender paternal responsibility after the birth of the child is the obvious male equivalent to this. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 31/10/21 07:31 AM |
| 17 | If abortion isn't murder (and I agree that it's not), then LPS (a.k.a. paper abortion) is not child abandonment. Why do so many fellow pro-choice leftists not make this connection?Yep. Even excluding abortion, for example, women are allowed to give up children via adoption, safe haven laws, etc. While many of these laws technically are gender neutral, in many states unwed genetic mothers by default get custody. The unwed father has no such automatic right. He generally has to establish a substantial relationship with his child before being able to petition for rights over any child born out of wedlock. For example, Arizona has a law stating that "If a child is born out of… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 31/10/21 04:21 AM |
| 16 | If abortion isn't murder (and I agree that it's not), then LPS (a.k.a. paper abortion) is not child abandonment. Why do so many fellow pro-choice leftists not make this connection?Also, it's always odd to me when I see people draw a distinction between abortion and "financial abortion" in order to argue that abortion and legal paternal surrender are so distinct. They argue this on the basis that pregnancy and childbirth imposes physical and mental health risks that financial responsibility does not. I don't think this is a particularly fair assertion. Increasing your hours at work or working more than one job in order to meet or to compensate for the expense of financial … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 31/10/21 03:55 AM |
| 5 | Weekend check-inI just completed a personal project of mine. During the couple years in which I was kinda down and out I taught myself music production (sound design, mixing, mastering, composition, etc). A couple days ago I just finished an album I've been working on. It's not the first time I've tried my hand at a musical project, but it is certainly the most cohesive and well-produced thing I've done yet. I'm not going to show any of it here, because I have a small following (it's admittedly pretty tiny, but… | /r/MenSupportMen | 30/10/21 08:59 AM |
| 6 | LWMA Lounge October 2021I've stayed up way too late refuting a feminist paper on DV that pissed me off. I can see the sun rising. I've barely even gotten through three paragraphs and I've already written an entire page of criticism. The offending document is like 40+ pages, so this will take forever. Christ. So much bullshit, so little time. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/10/21 08:58 PM |
| 3 | Men are incapable of love??I meant to get to this a while back, but just didn't get around to it until now. Firstly, this is the first time someone has come to me with relationship advice questions, and I don't have a lot of experiences with romantic relationships. Secondly, I'd like to share a study called "Loving and leaving: Sex differences in romantic attachments". You can download the paper here: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/225204472_Loving_and_leaving_Sex_differences_in_romantic_attachments The paper's … | /r/MensRights | 28/10/21 06:48 AM |
| 13 | I ruined her weekI see some comments stating that you put yourself in this situation, and while that is technically true there's only so much blame you can be assigned when so many dysfunctional women who act like this do not show their true colours. They usually don't show the way they really are early on in the relationship - they can be deceptively lovely and caring - and the men fall hard. On top of this, these men's brains are being deluged in a potent cocktail of hormones which cause them to rush into thin… | /r/MensRights | 28/10/21 04:30 AM |
| 6 | The Mediocre White ManAnother Asian here. This socially endorsed and outright promoted hate of white men (particularly straight white men) enrages me so badly I used to do nothing short of shake with anger over it. On discussions on the internet, I've been assumed to be a straight white man several times despite being neither straight nor white (and also an immigrant). It's funny how the Woke would assume I'd agree with them based on my demographic alone when I actually hate them with an unparalleled fury. It actuall… | /r/MensRights | 27/10/21 04:11 PM |
| 4 | Male feminists are the true enemy.It's like you didn't even read what he was saying. Here's how that plays out in real life: Let's say a bill is put forward that would improve things in family courts. It passes through both Houses with huge majority support. All of a sudden, feminist organisations decide to protest against that bill, and ask the governor of the state to veto it. And the bill gets vetoed. As u/tenchineuro notes, that very thing happened in Florida. The National Organisation for Women (NOW) attacked a shared paren… | /r/MensRights | 27/10/21 04:17 AM |
| 2 | Have you read the Brief History of Misogyny? What did you think about it?Just saw this. What did the removed comment say? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/10/21 08:27 PM |
| 9 | Should men in the US opt out of voting in the political system, given the 2 major political parties cater to female voters through and through?It's not accurate to think that Republicans are going against women's desires when it comes to the case of abortion rights. They cater to pro-life women, who are at least as numerous as pro-life men. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/10/21 03:38 PM |
| 5 | examples media female on male violenceLosing my shit at NickEd trying to pull the "but these men are killed by other men, tho!!!" bullshit and then abruptly noping out of the conversation when you gave a response he didn't like. Threw you a follow, by the way. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/10/21 03:30 PM |
| 9 | I made a mens advocate icebergEgregious family court bias against men. Male statutory rape victims being made to pay child support. Also, women being able to impregnate themselves with the guy's sperm without his consent (like by taking sperm from his condom), and successfully sue the guy for child support. The fact that there are effectively "debtors prisons" where people who fail to pay child support can be thrown in jail on civil contempt charges, and this can happen when they literally can't pay because of the lack of pr… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/10/21 10:17 AM |
| 8 | I made a mens advocate icebergYeah, the "holy shit is this real" tier barely even scratches the surface of the iceberg. Fitting, I guess, that the image doesn't show the entire iceberg. When you start looking the iceberg goes all the way down to tier 55 and more. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/10/21 09:42 AM |
| 14 | Is marriage worse for men or for women?I was gonna post an article which made the same points as this, but you beat me to it. That talking point, much like other feminist talking points, is based on bullshit. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/10/21 05:30 AM |
| 10 | My experiences as a survivor of abuse(just the usual name-calling and coercion that I think is most men's experience if they think about it) I wrote about this elsewhere (albeit in a more forceful manner) - I have found too that it is mostly women who engage in these behaviours during partnerships. Women seem to place more expectations and conditions on their spouse, and seem to get vastly more unhappy when these expectations are not met. The majority of the time, when one spouse is unsatisfied with their SO and is berating and "bi… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/10/21 02:40 AM |
| 12 | Women are NOT "73% more likely to suffer fatal injuries in a car accident due to safety procedures in cars being designed for men".I saw the comment on MensRights rife with claims of female oppression which you responded to that inspired this post and thought there were other things I would mention too. For example, her claims about medical bias against women. She claims "Women are heavily under-represented in medical studies which lead to medical bias and make it significantly more difficult to diagnose women with certain health conditions". She is wrong though. https://journals.lww.com/epidem/Fulltext/2001/09000/Did_Medic… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/10/21 07:42 PM |
| 16 | Are false accusations really that insignifiant?I get the consequences are serious, and can be serious even if a person is named (1.5%), arrested (0.2%), or charged (0.08%). So basically, you just danced your way around his point by listing the already invalidated, bare minimum percentages that you already did earlier. You do realise also that many false accusations do not come before law enforcement, right? That doesn't mean that they don't have an impact. I actually think false accusers might prefer to take things to the public instead of t… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/10/21 06:22 PM |
| 10 | Are false accusations really that insignifiant?I posted this elsewhere here - there's so much that is questionable with the position you're trying to take, I don't know where to start. The fact is, the actual amount of convictions that are false is in reality unknown (and so is the actual rate of false accusations as a whole). Any cases which have been proven to be false by investigation in the first place would obviously not lead to a conviction. The issue is with cases which are in reality false, but aren't proven to be false, and which le… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/10/21 06:18 PM |
| 10 | Are false accusations really that insignifiant?Yeah, this is a massive error in this user's logic. The fact is, the actual amount of convictions that are false is in reality unknown (and so is the actual rate of false accusations). Any cases which have been proven to be false by investigation in the first place would obviously not lead to a conviction. The issue is with cases which are in reality false, but aren't proven to be false, and which lead to arrests and convictions. Obviously these cases, for the most part, will not show up in the … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/10/21 06:00 PM |
| 36 | Are false accusations really that insignifiant?I was once in a discussion with this incredibly detestable male feminist Michael Flood on Twitter where the topic of false accusations was brought up, and when confronted by multiple users (including me) about the fact that his claim of "only 5% of accusations being false" only represented a bare minimum estimate, he opted not to respond to any of these arguments but just kept on repeating his misrepresented statistics. In other words, the refusal to understand that is almost definitely delibera… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/10/21 02:32 PM |
| 13 | Have you read the Brief History of Misogyny? What did you think about it?Why would her being a woman make any difference at all as to your willingness to police the stuff she says? Also, there are scholars who have pushed back against the viewpoint that women were horribly oppressed, neglected, secluded and sometimes outright hated in Ancient Greece (specifically ancient Athens, which is where all the worst claims of oppression come from). Pushing back against severe misrepresentations of women's status in Ancient Greece is simply a necessary step when history has be… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/10/21 01:15 AM |
| 11 | Feminism and the US draft... If your need a good, laugh...Yeah, I didn't realise acting as a glorified baby incubator was a burden far beyond that of taking on the dangerous work of basically building and maintaining all the necessary infrastructure, obtaining all the necessary resources and goods, and transporting all the necessary goods that predominantly men do which results in them being the vast majority of workplace deaths. Nope, pregnancy and childbirth is the only way people risk their lives and contribute to society outside of the draft. This … | /r/MensRights | 15/10/21 05:08 PM |
| 3 | Feminism and the US draft... If your need a good, laugh...I think Hannah Wallen put it best here: What do women do besides have babies that would cause the community to struggle? Men keep the utilities running, build everything, maintain the roads, and even run much if not most of the medical profession. Aside from the rare female trucker, men transport all the goods, too. | /r/MensRights | 15/10/21 05:03 PM |
| 3 | LWMA Lounge October 2021Thanks! I always try to make my arguments as watertight as possible, and to cover all the bases I can, so to speak. Still, I'm always thinking of ways to strengthen them. During debates I also try to address the counter-arguments that people can make against my positions before they even make it, but that's not always feasible due to the sheer amount of claims out there that they can potentially throw at you. That uncertainty is a bit daunting to me. That's the part that unsettles me a bit in ar… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/10/21 02:16 PM |
| 3 | LWMA Lounge October 2021Oh, some people can definitely be incredibly insufferable. I'd engage more, but the problem with me and heated debates with ideological people who don't give up is that I'm particularly easy to stress out and to drive to anger and exhaustion, and am also very quick to doubt and question myself and everything I'm saying as well as to put too much weight into the opinions of my opponents. This is not a good quality whatsoever when I'm in arguments with people, especially those who have their heels… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/10/21 01:21 PM |
| 3 | LWMA Lounge October 2021I'm not going to participate in that thread because I think that if I interacted with that POS Mitoza I would likely explode with rage. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/10/21 12:58 PM |
| 15 | An excellent comment on sex dolls that explores the negative stigma around male sex toys and male sexuality in generalBut oddly enough, being ravaged by an attractive enough man constitutes the ultimate female power fantasy for a sizeable amount of women. Karen Straughan addresses this issue more in her video "The quandary of consent" in which she posits that women's feelings of violation are in reality not actually closely linked to whether there was consent or not leading up to or during the sex act, but is more linked to how she felt about it afterwards, which is why they can deeply enjoy fantasies and stori… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/10/21 08:27 AM |
| 24 | An excellent comment on sex dolls that explores the negative stigma around male sex toys and male sexuality in generalhttps://www.vice.com/en/article/bm9w7v/why-are-so-many-women-searching-for-ultra-violent-porn | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/10/21 05:13 AM |
| 9 | LWMA Lounge October 2021I just stumbled across a post on FeminismUncensored where an article was linked to about an Arkansas law which supposedly allows men to block women's abortions. Here is the post. The comments underneath were calling it an example of "gender discrimination" against women. https://np.reddit.com/r/FeminismUncensored/comments/q7fedj/arkansas_law_lets_men_block_wives_abortions/ Firstly, this is not discrimination against women. Even if it was a fair depiction of the law, this is not an example of a m… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/10/21 04:56 AM |
| 15 | Men's Rights Advocate here - What does this community see as the primary differences in stances between this sub and r/MensRights?As far as your experience with MRA's and their feelings about diverse sexual groups even if it doesn't seem like that many of them are hostile it is more hostile to them over there than over here. I would assume that a member of those communities would be more sensitive to that hostility than you or I so we wouldn't notice it as much. Personal anecdote time: I'm a member of that group (am gay). I don't believe that MensRights is a hostile community at all. That being said, I might not be the ave… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/10/21 07:59 PM |
| 1 | Is there really a rape culture we're blind to?My comment wasn't necessarily to imply that TheMotte was representative of the general population, it was just using the conversation as a bit of a jump-off point to discuss how people increasingly are viewing parenthood, and the opinions exhibited in that conversation seem to exemplify the extreme end of a cultural narrative which is slowly becoming more common. That being said, I've lurked a bit in TheMotte every now and then ever since I was aware of it and do like a whole lot of the discussi… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/10/21 07:29 PM |
| 1 | Is there really a rape culture we're blind to?I've said it before but literally every society judges each other for how they treat their women. Both Western progressives and conservatives love to criticise developing countries for the treatment of women, albeit for different reasons. But cultures from those developing countries just as readily criticise the West for the same reason, though their interpretation of what is moral is different. This is even true for fundamentalists. In Bin Laden's letter to America/manifesto, he criticises Amer… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/10/21 06:47 PM |
| 8 | Is emotional abuse abuse?Nope, I don't believe they have ever lacked it. I think I've made it clear that I believe the viewpoint that suddenly women just gained the ability to abuse and rape men whereas they were just inexplicably powerless to do so in the past is fucking ridiculous. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 12/10/21 03:20 PM |
| 9 | Is emotional abuse abuse?It's not true at all. It's a myth. The idea that women who are physically violent are only ever doing so in self-defence or retaliation does not hold up to scrutiny. I could dig up surveys and studies and make the case myself, but why would I do so when many other people have already made my point for me so beautifully. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/233717660_Thirty_Years_of_Denying_the_Evidence_on_Gender_Symmetry_in_Partner_Violence_Implications_for_Prevention_and_Treatment Straus re… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 12/10/21 10:32 AM |
| 16 | Is emotional abuse abuse?The viewpoint seems to be that women are now empowered enough to start beating and raping men. I am not kidding. They posit this without going in detail and they never explain what gives women the power to beat and rape men and boys now compared to the past. We're just supposed to believe that they only now possess some abstract power that allows them to do it. People don't think very deeply about this. Some of the explanations offered up are sometimes incongruent as hell and are obviously not w… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 12/10/21 09:38 AM |
| 18 | Is emotional abuse abuse?The oxymoronic nature of these two sentences is never acknowledged. They acknowledge that the narrative of just men abusing women isn't true today. It would then logically follow that the same narrative in the past is also not true, or at least circumspect for the exact same reasons that they are today. But this is always conveniently ignored. Oh, yep. It irks me a lot just how willing many academics are, even those who acknowledge that domestic violence is gender-symmetrical, to accept the view… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 12/10/21 08:51 AM |
| 26 | Is emotional abuse abuse?Societally, we’re accustomed to hearing about women being abused by men. Unfortunately, history has given us ample reason to see this as an unpleasant but real possibility. Okay, I'm not sure I like what's being implied in this sentence at all by them even bothering to highlight it. Are they implying that history is one of men abusing women and men being abused by women simply did not happen in the past? That's clearly untrue. Here is an archive of cases of female-perpetrated violence, most of t… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 12/10/21 06:17 AM |
| 36 | I'm having issues regarding MGMYeah. Something that's little known is that women are the biggest proponents of the most severe types of FGM like subincision/clitoridectomy (removal of the entire external clitoris) and infibulation (narrowing of the vaginal orifice). The decision about whether and when a particular girl will receive the operation is made by her mother or grandmother. The female peer group regards the operation as a mark of positive status, and girls who have not yet had it are sometimes mocked, teased, and der… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 11/10/21 01:46 AM |
| 11 | I'm having issues regarding MGMThe "benefits" of MGM, specifically circumcision, have been brought up time and time again to justify the practice: Lower risk of HIV transmission, reduced risk of UTIs, reduced risk of penile cancer, reduced risk of phimosis and balanitis. None have the slightest amount of validity to them. I can't address them all in detail, but here is just a summary of how the claims of benefit are flawed. HIV transmission. The African RCTs many people cite to prove that circumcision reduces HIV transmission… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 11/10/21 01:43 AM |
| 2 | Is there really a rape culture we're blind to?Just look at how much identity issues have been used to shut down political criticism. You can disagree anymore, or you're a bad person. You have to agree. Aside from a handful of principled politicians (a rare sight indeed), female politicians (or at least the prominent ones, anyway) virtually all use accusations of misogyny as a means of deflecting criticism. Women's approach to interpersonal conflict is different to that of men. Short of principled politicians becoming the mainstay (ha!) this… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/10/21 12:26 PM |
| 10 | How did intersectionality go from nuance/empathy to oppression olympics?You fucking met Crenshaw? Honestly, I'm kind of envious. I would love to pick her brain and see what kind of personality-disordered shit she spews. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/10/21 03:17 AM |
| 2 | Is there really a rape culture we're blind to?Okay, getting to this now. I have been tired and slightly out of it with regards to discussion over the past few days, so that's why this took a bit. If you hash out any given social topic with others for any prolonged period of time (especially one with the complexity and polarisation of sex relations) it'll slowly exhaust you and drive you a bit nuts, so I've been intentionally withdrawing from discussions and especially arguments on the topic for sanity reasons. I was mostly just wondering if… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/10/21 06:42 PM |
| 2 | How do we see women?Also, I just saw your Chronicle article supposedly "exposing" the supposed methodological flaws in Williams and Ceci's study, and I have to say I don't find it particularly convincing. This is their first criticism. Bias goes well beyond the hiring hurdle. The two authors have become known for their public claims that no bias exists against women in science as in an April 2015 essay on CNN, “The Myth About Women in Science.” If they'd read the actual article that they linked they would've found … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 07/10/21 07:16 PM |
| 2 | How do we see women?I have heard almost verbatim statements said about black people and their claims about discrimination. People are so entrenched in their own experience of the world that anyone else (even someone who is very different from them) who claims to experience something different is regarded with suspicion or hostility. Oh, I am very consistent with my treatment of things. I'm part of a supposedly "minority" group myself. I also express such skepticism regarding many of said "minority" group's claims a… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 07/10/21 07:16 PM |
| 3 | How do we see women?the sense that you have a rare qualified candidate from an underrepresented group is clear even if you have no immediate comparisons to candidates from non-represented groups. You recognize that you need to consider this candidate seriously (if not hire them more quickly) since such a candidate doesn't come as often as candidates from the more represented group. It really shouldn't be a consideration at all, and trying to artificially create gender (or racial) parity with affirmative action is b… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 07/10/21 03:13 PM |
| 5 | How do we see women?One of the experiments that Williams and Ceci conducted is a strong point against the idea that they were selecting the female as a preferred candidate simply because of some preference for diversity. "To ensure that socially desirable responding was not driving our findings, in one of the five experiments we sent faculty just one candidate to evaluate, rather than a slate of three shortlisted candidates. Even with no frame of reference provided by a comparison with other candidates, women were … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 07/10/21 05:49 AM |
| 5 | How do we see women?Well, you need to look at the quote I took from the study. "Here we report five hiring experiments in which faculty evaluated hypothetical female and male applicants, using systematically varied profiles disguising identical scholarship, for assistant professorships in biology, engineering, economics, and psychology. Contrary to prevailing assumptions, men and women faculty members from all four fields preferred female applicants 2:1 over identically qualified males with matching lifestyles (sin… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 07/10/21 05:35 AM |
| 5 | How do we see women?In fields both where women are well-represented or even overrepresented (psychology) and where men are overrepresented (economics and engineering) it seems that a bias in favour of women was generally found. While it may be a factor, I don't think that can fully explain it. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 07/10/21 05:01 AM |
| 5 | How do we see women?For example, scientists (i.e., working scientists and not merely those with PhDs) being mostly male and teachers being mostly female would likely result in opposing competence differences between the genders. Something similar will likely happen for construction workers and nurses. But this is all a conjecture from me at this point. Interestingly enough, a much larger, much more comprehensive and more recent investigation (Williams & Ceci, 2015) showed hiring bias against men, not women, in STEM… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 07/10/21 02:18 AM |
| 4 | How do we see women?Okay, I hope my explanation here is clear enough to understand, because I'm not always good at articulating my points. This is also inevitably going to be kind of rambly, and difficult to parse, because this is a topic I always struggle to properly find the words for. From Table 1 it shows that they generally define competence as some combination of "creativity" and "intelligence", which is not exactly the definition I would associate with competence. Speaking, purely anecdotally, there are many… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 07/10/21 01:27 AM |
| 14 | How do we see women?Here's some interesting data. https://www.apa.org/pubs/journals/releases/amp-amp0000494.pdf According to this meta-analysis of 24 national U.S. polls that included one or more items assessing descriptive gender stereotypes "respondents now ascribe competence in general and intelligence more often to women than men, regardless of college education and birth cohort." Women are also thought of as more communal. The only thing that men are perceived to be higher in than women? Agency. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/10/21 11:30 PM |
| 3 | Is there really a rape culture we're blind to?Okay, sorry for reviving this thread, but I have been entertaining a thought for a while now. I and many others have previously opined that women can capitalise on vulnerability in ways men simply can't, and we are much more likely to expect men to endure hardship without complaint especially if it is for the benefit of others. It's the empathy gap - a benevolent, protective attitude towards women. A woman who is weak and vulnerable is in need of help and protection, whereas a man in the same po… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/10/21 04:16 AM |
| 3 | I am a woman. I am autistic. I don't see how this sub is supposedly misogynistic or hateful.One would expect that autistic people would generally be very overrepresented in the hard sciences, if only because of their high systemising and low empathising and consequent poor social skills. I'm not sure if you would find very many autistic people in the soft sciences, though. Might explain why fields such as psychology and sociology end up being so predisposed to ideology and tribalism, hah. Though people who go into sociology and related fields might already be more likely to be personal… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/10/21 03:10 AM |
| 2 | I am a woman. I am autistic. I don't see how this sub is supposedly misogynistic or hateful.I'm always interested about the predominance of autistic people I see in the MRM (like seriously, there is a lot). I'm not sure why. Perhaps it's what has already been hypothesised and autism makes one more inclined to entertain and openly support unpopular or controversial causes and viewpoints that have the potential to negatively impact one's reputation. This study shows that unlike neurotypicals, people with ASD do not act more prosocially when they are observed by someone else, indicating t… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/10/21 03:04 AM |
| 5 | So, AskFeminists finally recognized that we exist....I was thinking more of people who talk about how the average feminist is well intentioned I've engaged with a whole bunch of people who likely think of themselves as the "average feminist" and I almost always heavily doubt that they are well intentioned. They're ideologues pushing a narrative which is emotionally satisfying to them, evidenced by their failure to accept evidence against their point of view. I have zero patience for them too. But no, some people are perfectly fine giving in to the… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 05/10/21 01:21 PM |
| 6 | Some thoughts about plots and (male) characters in the 'romantic' genre: TV shows, movies, and literatureYep. But as I previously mentioned it seems to me that the woke invasion is very selective in what they target as they always are. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 05/10/21 04:33 AM |
| 8 | Some thoughts about plots and (male) characters in the 'romantic' genre: TV shows, movies, and literatureThis would be fine if we weren't constantly reforming forms of entertainment which have historically catered to men to be more "women-friendly". I have no issue with romance novels and films catering to women and female fantasies, but we have an issue when men have any media that caters to anything they want in any way because we deem the portrayal of women in it as offensive and claim that it needs to be more inclusive to them. But when it comes to romance? Not a peep about the portrayal of men… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 05/10/21 04:25 AM |
| 6 | Watch people twist themselves into pretzels to justify female privilege as equalityAgreed. You know the next thing that irritates the fucking shit out of me about that comment? This: And really, even if the expectation is to pay since you initiatived if you're unwilling/uncomfortable just Be willing to communicate that. If a girl throws a fit over that ask then congratulations, you know it's not gonna work out. And quite frankly, that one meal might have saved you money on the longer run. I have never seen a feminist, or most anyone, really, justify what they consider "unfair"… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 05/10/21 12:23 AM |
| 20 | So, AskFeminists finally recognized that we exist....There’s also leniency and people giving the average feminist a pass because they’re allegedly well intentioned, as if that was some kind of absolution from supporting a hateful ideology that actively fights against the rights of men and boys. I see leniency way more often. There are MensLib users here who argue using a whole host of blatantly dishonest, bad-faith tactics and who I think a lot of the users here have a tendency to go too easy on. And they get praise for simply being willing to eng… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/10/21 10:37 PM |
| 2 | Watch people twist themselves into pretzels to justify female privilege as equalityAgreed - clothing and make-up does serve multiple functions, like to signal what group you're part of as well as to signal your social status among your same-sex peer group. However when you're making yourself look good in a dating context it's safe to say that the function it serves at that moment is mainly to attract a member of the opposite sex and not to do with "because I like it". | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/10/21 03:15 PM |
| 7 | Watch people twist themselves into pretzels to justify female privilege as equalityI mean sure, people generally obviously own clothes that suit them. Doesn't change the fact that when they're in the house and on their own they will put significantly less effort into their appearance and will prioritise comfort far more compared to when they are outside, showing that a lot of the grooming they do inherently has to do with others (Even if they don't always think so. People don't always think a lot about why they do what they do). | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/10/21 06:42 AM |
| 7 | Watch people twist themselves into pretzels to justify female privilege as equalityHonestly? For me? Nope. I wear the same thing most of the time. White shirt + fairly baggy pants and I don't dress up simply because I want to look good or because looking good also makes me feel good. Whenever I do, I almost always have a motive separate from simply looking nice in mind. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/10/21 06:38 AM |
| 9 | Watch people twist themselves into pretzels to justify female privilege as equalityIf all you want is to have a one night stand with someone I don't understand the level of attention being paid to how the bill is split. This has nothing to do with what I want. This topic is now makeup and one's ability to use it to enhance their looks. It is a separate discussion at this point. One can both use makeup to attract potential partners as well as get a one night stand. And again with regards to potential partners, it is still the case than "Men allow women more freedom of expressio… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/10/21 06:37 AM |
| 11 | Watch people twist themselves into pretzels to justify female privilege as equalityNo, but it proves that you are doing it for others to look at. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/10/21 06:14 AM |
| 11 | Watch people twist themselves into pretzels to justify female privilege as equalityI would also like to add that people go trying to attract people not necessarily for a long-term relationship, but also a one night stand and other non long-term things. And that person doesn't need to be 100% with you on everything. Anyway, let's reword the argument in a way that makes more sense in response to the way you're trying to argue it. "Men allow women more f r e e d o m o f e x p r e s s i o n with regards to looks enhancement than women allow men." | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/10/21 06:13 AM |
| 9 | Watch people twist themselves into pretzels to justify female privilege as equalityAnd not to look good for herself. Or to express herself. How many women cake their face in makeup inside the house where they think no one will see them? It is about presenting yourself to others. Sorry, but it is. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/10/21 06:03 AM |
| 15 | Watch people twist themselves into pretzels to justify female privilege as equalityYes they can. If they want to they can, and if their date doesn't like it then it's a bad match. It's amazing how feminists will talk about social expectation and how it affects behaviour up until it is inconvenient. Then suddenly, social expectation should have no effect on how people behave. Anyone who isn't willing for their partner to express themselves however they are or want to be is a bad date. This isn't about expressing yourself however you want to be. The topic is about the ability to… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/10/21 05:42 AM |
| 7 | Watch people twist themselves into pretzels to justify female privilege as equalityThat would be a really nice thing to do. And if you wanted to develop a stringer friendship, you know, like you would with a potential date, then it's a great move. If he chooses not to reciprocate, that's okay, if he insists he'll pay is share, that's okay. I'll be honest and state that I would not be too pleased with any "friend" who expects that I should initiate encounters and who expects that my initiation means that I should pay for any activity we do. And if I do end up complying with the… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/10/21 05:34 AM |
| 20 | Watch people twist themselves into pretzels to justify female privilege as equalityGlad you acknowledge it's not as easy for men to simply enhance their looks with makeup, then. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/10/21 05:22 AM |
| 18 | Watch people twist themselves into pretzels to justify female privilege as equalityWomen have far more reproductive choices than men. If they fuck up, they have the morning after pill. If they still fuck that up, they have the right to abort (which, if you catch it early, isn't very intrusive) if they don't want to suffer the physical consequences of pregnancy and childbirth. If they still don't avail themselves of that and end up giving birth, women have automatic custody of any child born out of wedlock and in effect have the ability to put it in safe havens and put it up fo… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/10/21 05:09 AM |
| 5 | Watch people twist themselves into pretzels to justify female privilege as equalityBut that doesn't mean the expectation that the one making the offer shouldn't be the one with first expectation to pay for it. Actually, the one making the offer shouldn't be the one with first expectation to pay for it because they shouldn't be expected to pay for it. If you say yes to a date, you should pay for your food. Asking someone to a restaurant isn't an invitation to pay for their food. It's just as arbitrary as saying that since I ask a friend out to eat with me for lunch I should als… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/10/21 05:04 AM |
| 21 | Watch people twist themselves into pretzels to justify female privilege as equalityEdit. Men can also wear makeup and boost their looks in a dozen other ways the same as women. Too bad that if they do so, they'll be ostracised for it. There are a whole lot of negative stereotypes attached to men that wear makeup compared to women who do. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/10/21 04:58 AM |
| 10 | Watch people twist themselves into pretzels to justify female privilege as equalityNo. Just no. Yes. Just yes. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/10/21 04:57 AM |
| 12 | Have you ever wondered one reason why some people feel an aversion to/hate MRAs is because they dismiss/used to dismiss the existence of men's issues?This is textbook bias. Appeals to emotion through an incendiary claim without any sort of evidence. Actually, that's the only thing you've done throughout this discussion - make emotional claims based solely on your own personal convictions and frame them as unchallengeable fact. Expecting your interlocutors' responses to be of a higher standard than yours is frankly just hypocrisy. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/10/21 07:00 AM |
| 17 | Have you ever wondered one reason why some people feel an aversion to/hate MRAs is because they dismiss/used to dismiss the existence of men's issues?There is a fringe movement of feminism that has a misandry problem. That’s not ok, but most of the movement disassociates from the fringe and it’s not a part of the mainstream movement. The National Organisation for Women is not a fringe group. It's as mainstream feminist as you can get and it has a proven track record of actively opposing shared parenting and demonising fathers' rights groups. I would just like to note that the National Organisation for Women, in their about page, calls themsel… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/10/21 06:22 AM |
| 6 | LWMA Lounge October 2021Sure, but anti-feminist is simply what I am, though. I'm not neutral to feminism like non-feminist could possibly imply, I am as strongly and vehemently opposed to it as possible. I'm not really huge on political labels, but of all the labels that are out there, this one fits incredibly well. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/10/21 05:49 AM |
| 14 | Have you ever wondered one reason why some people feel an aversion to/hate MRAs is because they dismiss/used to dismiss the existence of men's issues?which was nothing compared to what one of her staff then through, a mental break down so extreme Cassie had to let her go. Wait, that happened? I haven't watched The Red Pill, but if this occurred, I'm shocked. I know the "red pill" so to speak can be a hard pill to swallow especially for someone who wants to resist it as much as possible, but having a mental breakdown about it is a fairly extreme reaction. That said, to be blunt, I really don't give a shit about how hard it is for them to accep… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/10/21 02:26 AM |
| 3 | LWMA Lounge October 2021I've been kind of doing some mulling over perceptions of men and women recently, and have been writing comments about it just to jot my unstructured and kind of unedited thoughts down. It just popped into my mind how the pejorative term "deadbeat" is almost only ever a term levelled against men. If a woman puts her infant born out of wedlock in a safe haven or up for adoption, the discourse is always skewed towards how hard it must have been for her to give her infant up like that and assume her… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/10/21 05:02 PM |
| 1 | Non-heterosexual men of this subreddit: do you experience any elements of the paradigms that currently plague heterosexual dating in your own experiences?Honestly, call me an extremist, but I’d rather die alone of a stroke in my house (which I probably will anyway, regardless of sexuality) than subjecting myself to this. Me too. I wrote this comment elsewhere yesterday but thought better about leaving it up, but I think it works well here to build on what you said. I've been wondering if I sound like a crazy person or not. I genuinely don't think most women understand how impossible dating and relationships are for men. Women expect to be approac… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/10/21 09:06 AM |
| 3 | Why do you think reddit is so poorly informed about MRAs?I'd also note that a whole lot of the purportedly "extreme" actions engaged in by Gang A are a response to the actions engaged in by Gang B. In other words, Gang B is much larger, more established and far more powerful, it threw the "first stone" and was the gang which started tyrannising people, and Gang A by adopting a stance against Gang B is partially trying to counter them at this point and rectify the situation which Gang B caused. As the group which has disproportionate power, Gang B has … | /r/MensRights | 02/10/21 04:44 AM |
| 1 | LWMA Lounge October 2021Yeah. I mean, it's not just small technical details that they mess up, either. Any movie with a time travel plot at its core where someone goes back and changes the past in order to alter the future must either be incredibly illogical or incredibly hollow. Because either the time travel occurs in one fixed universe and massively violates causality (the grandfather paradox), or the protagonist by travelling back in time has simply created a child universe and altered things there (multiverse time… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/10/21 01:56 AM |
| 2 | LWMA Lounge October 2021This is a completely unrelated topic to most of what this subreddit is dedicated to, but since this is the lounge I'll just throw it in. Recently I was browsing Reddit and stumbled across a highly upvoted post on r/nosleep which had a decidedly sci-fi bent to it. I read it and while it was a fairly compelling read, there were so many issues with the realism of the story that I did something I don't usually do, which was go through and point out a handful of the issues with it. My critique got re… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 01/10/21 07:13 PM |
| 9 | LWMA Lounge October 2021Yeah, it's made me very bitter in a way I really don't like. I've never been the most light-hearted person in existence and have always held grudges like an insane person, but sometimes I go about writing a post or comment, and I realise it's devolved into a downright MGTOW-esque screed written almost solely out of sheer frustration. Then I realise how extreme it sounds. As hardline antifeminist most of my posts and comments may already seem, I'm usually not going full-on with them and am usuall… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 01/10/21 06:01 PM |
| 7 | Rebutting "men need to learn how to be emotional with other men!" and the likeIt was made abundantly clear when there were those leaked images of Afghan's feeling from Taliban just over a month ago (which were from years ago, apparently, not even recent). Wait, what? They were from years ago? https://www.dictionary.com/e/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/picard-facepalm.jpg | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 01/10/21 04:19 PM |
| 2 | The Persistence of the Criminal Justice Gender Gap: Evidence from 200 Years of Judicial DecisionsOh, yeah. I know the type. Like that male university teacher who was all about feminism, but harassed multiple students. Hugo Schwyzer. And also, there's Kyle Payne. Yeah, I have that comment saved. And of course he has a whole host of defences and rationalisations for a lot of the shit he's been found to do. There is just generally a weird vibe that TAKEitTOrCIRCLEJERK exudes, yes. I've always thought something was very off about him, apart from the obvious bigotry he exhibits and his abuse of … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 01/10/21 11:29 AM |
| 3 | The Persistence of the Criminal Justice Gender Gap: Evidence from 200 Years of Judicial DecisionsReviving this thread just to say I've noticed you've been commenting on a lot of TAKEitTOrCIRCLEJERK's unhinged posts on FeminismUncensored. That guy reminds me of the type of male feminist who uses the ideology to shift blame for his own utterly scummy behaviour onto society and specifically masculinity instead of taking responsibility for it and accepting that he's just a shitty human being. "Don't blame me. It wasn't me who did it. It was the toxic masculine norms I internalised." I think the… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 01/10/21 10:42 AM |
| 5 | A big reason as to why some men are misogynists is because how men are often treated worseHoly shit, I didn't know that at all. You have far more experience in religious communities and are therefore much more equipped to speak to this topic than I am. Honestly, I would welcome a post about this because I find it fascinating how religious scripture and beliefs are in practice selectively interpreted and distorted to favour women. It seems that, contrary to my interlocutor's statement that men would take advantage of what scripture says about women, it's far more common for the opposi… | /r/MensRights | 01/10/21 01:59 AM |
| 5 | A big reason as to why some men are misogynists is because how men are often treated worseHonestly, I have no idea how we even ended up on the topic of sexual harassment. My interlocutor dragged the discussion down so many irrelevant tangents that we ended up discussing absolutely nothing relevant to the original topic. My favourite is when we were discussing the expectations that the Bible places on men and women (which she brought up first). Once she couldn't competently counter the fact that the expectations placed on men were no more reasonable than the expectations on women, the… | /r/MensRights | 01/10/21 01:52 AM |
| 11 | Is there really a rape culture we're blind to?This paragraph is also questionable. We'd expect that most women would think that it's normal for them to feel comfortable if someone hit on them at the gym or on public. In reality, many women feel intimidated or pressured and we a society don't focus on their individual feelings. Unless their position is that men should never approach women at all, which is basically undoable, this paragraph complaining about how women feel when they are "hit on" is basically asking men to be clairvoyant. It p… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/09/21 11:09 PM |
| 2 | I don't know why it took this long, but I just realized that a fair amount of the left feels that sexism against men has the same urgency of racism against white peopleOh, well put. Yeah, them saying that patriarchy only means the motte definition (men in power) and trying to distinguish it from the bailey (men in power serving men's interests) is dishonest because they believe the motte leads to the bailey. Feminists can't make a distinction between the motte and the bailey definitions and claim they're only referring to the motte when they throw around the word "patriarchy" because to them, they are both one and the same. "We're not saying that X means Y, bu… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/09/21 05:49 AM |
| 7 | I don't know why it took this long, but I just realized that a fair amount of the left feels that sexism against men has the same urgency of racism against white peopleThey'll do the stupid motte and bailey argument again which relies on pointing to the fact that the majority of those in positions of power are male, and pretend that proves that the "patriarchy" exists (the motte). They'll ignore how most feminists use the term patriarchy to describe a society where men are unfairly placed in positions of power and primarily act to serve men's interests (the bailey) and how this colours people's interpretation of the term. And I think they realise that by defen… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/09/21 02:25 AM |
| 3 | Mid-week check-inI've tried. I'm not particularly socially adept and am not good at making a case for myself on the spot in person, and especially not one that relies on emotional appeals. I also don't believe he'd be persuaded that I should stay on it until I've actually tried to cut down on my dose and can prove that I suffered adverse effects as a result. Perhaps I could make an argument in favour of staying on it then. Though I don't want to cut down at all. | /r/MenSupportMen | 29/09/21 05:51 PM |
| 9 | Turn on the lightGender, Socially Desirable Responding and the Fear of Crime: Are Women Really More Anxious about Crime? Your link leads to another paper, this should be your link. Anyway, this is completely unsurprising. Women are given benefits for displaying weakness and vulnerability through increased protection and sympathy. Men are generally not able to access this. If anything, I'd say that that alone is the reason why traditional narratives and views of women generally portray them as weak: as a justific… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/09/21 05:41 PM |
| 4 | Mid-week check-inContext This is something I've been trying my hardest not to think about for the past three weeks ever since my last appointment with my allergist. So, I have had issues with atopic dermatitis and am currently on cyclosporine, which has allowed me to manage it effectively enough that it has improved to a point where I can function quite well. But the allergist I'm currently seeing has informed me that he wants me to cut my dose of cyclosporine from 100mg per day to 50mg per day at some point and… | /r/MenSupportMen | 29/09/21 10:55 AM |
| 3 | So, how many subs have you been banned from because you criticized feminism?Bingo. Yeah, it's offmychest. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/09/21 08:09 AM |
| 5 | So, how many subs have you been banned from because you criticized feminism?If you say so. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/09/21 08:08 AM |
| 6 | So, how many subs have you been banned from because you criticized feminism?There are probably a few I've been autobanned from because of posting in r/MensRights, r/KotakuInAction, r/TumblrInAction and other such anti-feminist/anti-woke subs. I've come across at least one purportedly "non-political" subreddit which does not allow me to make a comment or post in it, and the moderator list is hidden to me, so I assume I'm banned from it. As per the request in the post I won't disclose the name of the subreddit I was banned from, but I will say that the name of the subredd… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/09/21 07:07 AM |
| 2 | A big reason as to why some men are misogynists is because how men are often treated worseWell, in that case one would be of the opinion that the Bible imposed unreasonable standards and expectations on both men and women. Which, again, isn't a viewpoint I necessarily have a problem with. | /r/MensRights | 28/09/21 06:04 PM |
| 3 | A big reason as to why some men are misogynists is because how men are often treated worseI see a ton of women respecting men in my life .. social media- not so much. If women collectively had enough problems with modern feminism and its demonisation of men to call out their bullshit for what it is, feminism and their narratives would not be so mainstream. I am not sure what you're basing your beliefs about the past on... what research? Human beings are selfish by nature and without checks and consequences... that nature is not often self controlled. The research that I've done. I me… | /r/MensRights | 28/09/21 05:45 PM |
| 5 | A big reason as to why some men are misogynists is because how men are often treated worseThe problem I have is that some men even today (so we'll leave the past out for the moment) don't really appreciate women... just like some women don't really appreciate men. I'll be perfectly candid and say that I've generally seen a lot more appreciation from men directed towards women than from women directed towards men. Actually, the main thing I see women direct towards men as a group are accusations of not doing enough to help women, sadly. However, I would not ever want to be taken care … | /r/MensRights | 28/09/21 03:17 PM |
| 3 | A big reason as to why some men are misogynists is because how men are often treated worseCan you please look through a lens other than a male one for a minute? The "female" viewpoint that women were oppressed compared to men is bandied around so commonly by everyone including most men. I've looked through the lens. I think people have failed to consider the opposite view. I countered your statement that we were treated better. That is not my statement. I'm a different user. Women were treated as weak childlike, and less than men. The idea of being seen as weak and dependent is treat… | /r/MensRights | 28/09/21 05:03 AM |
| 3 | A big reason as to why some men are misogynists is because how men are often treated worseSure, but you have yet to prove that women had it worse than men in the past. Making the statement that women were uniquely restricted in ways men were not is honestly meaningless to me when you clearly haven't considered the ways in which men were uniquely restricted and obligated and burdened compared to women. You've just taken the idea that the deal given to women in the past was worse, and portrayed it as an unchallengeable fact. So, let me ask you a very simple question, cabsmom2020. If wo… | /r/MensRights | 28/09/21 04:31 AM |
| 3 | Women and The Vote (UK)But that is entirely subjective and only justified off what you perceive as historical precedent. It's funny, because I could similarly argue that everything that you've written here is an entirely subjective argument and only justified off what you believe is morally correct based off the prevailing views of the time. If I were to speak according to my principles, someone with greater responsibilities should be accorded greater decision-making power. There was the draft. And there were multiple… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/09/21 07:18 PM |
| 8 | The Persistence of the Criminal Justice Gender Gap: Evidence from 200 Years of Judicial DecisionsReally? What I usually hear from them is that women were completely forbidden to work and that the few who did had to give their entire earnings to their husbands, which is simply ludicrous. I hear both things. Once you can impress upon them the idea that having the legal right to be provided for is a privilege in an environment full of backbreaking manual labour, suddenly they'll flip the argument to "OMG, BUT WOMEN WERE ROUTINELY WORKING IN FACTORIES AND IN MINES AND STILL HAD TO DEFER AND GIV… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/09/21 12:40 PM |
| 14 | The Persistence of the Criminal Justice Gender Gap: Evidence from 200 Years of Judicial DecisionsAs an aside, I keep hearing feminists say that women in the past worked as much and as hard as men did in order to trivialise the idea that men took on the disproportionate burden of providing in the past, but the historical data we do have clearly disconfirms the idea that women worked as much as men, let alone jobs which were as difficult. The paper notes "Finally, we use data for the London and Middlesex population from the 1851, 1861, 1881, 1891, 1901 and 1911 censuses to look at female labo… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/09/21 11:36 AM |
| 7 | A big reason as to why some men are misogynists is because how men are often treated worseor to imply some blood guilt or natural tendency for men to use their power to their own benefit and to the detriment of women. Yeah that's the worst implication about feminist beliefs regarding "historical oppression", to me. The idea that men in the past were these awful brutes who just subjugated women for their benefit is just so incredibly disrespectful and disgusting. When I've looked into history, I've seen a whole lot of examples of male care and concern and even sacrifice for women that… | /r/MensRights | 27/09/21 08:39 AM |
| 3 | A big reason as to why some men are misogynists is because how men are often treated worseOh, it's an argument about history. I hate these, especially because people inevitably try to boil incredibly complex social issues down into some questionable and simplistic narrative of historical female oppression. And then they do 20 minutes of Google searching, and find a whole host of blatantly slanted, nuance-less interpretations about history (many of which sadly originate from "experts") and throw it in your face. Once you come up against people arguing historical female oppression enou… | /r/MensRights | 27/09/21 07:57 AM |
| 13 | Male touch starvation: one thing I don’t think people understand.I don't think it comes across as homophobic at all. Stating what your preferences are is not a criticism of other people's preferences, and it is most definitely not indicative of a hatred of those with different preferences to you. OP: "I'm heterosexual and am not attracted to guys, and don't really desire to touch them." Whoever reported: "You just hate gays." I would love to know how people make these Grand Canyon-sized mental leaps. It's mind-boggling. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/09/21 09:36 PM |
| 5 | Examples of Cultural Attitudes from A 1912 Play About SuffragettesWhen women are behind, that can only mean oppression (so society must help them!) and when men are behind it can only be because men are selfish and lazy (so they need to help themselves). That's really expecting men to be superheroes, which, as you said, indicates a female desire for men being superior. It also reinforces views of female lack of agency while at the same time assigning all the agency in the world to men. Literally reinforcing what they call "patriarchal views of women" which the… | /r/MensRights | 25/09/21 11:56 PM |
| 5 | Go work at the dirtiest, most dangerous job that will kill you 13 X more. Receive less educational and health care dollars. Subsidize women financially. Receive harsher verdicts in courts and in case of divorce lose access to your own kids. Congratulations. You are a member of the Patriarchy.I stand with Men's Right's even though I am a Woman. I hope that is alright with those on this sub. Why wouldn't it be alright? Glad to have you. | /r/MensRights | 25/09/21 03:13 AM |
| 18 | The Justification given for r/MensLib's Ban on Legal Paternal Surrender DiscussionChild support isn't an imposition on male autonomy? Women having a disproportionate biological burden doesn't have to negate giving men a choice. Women don't just have abortion. Women have several ways to opt out of parenthood, both during and after pregnancy. Men don't. Even excluding abortion, for example, women are allowed to give up children via adoption, safe haven laws, etc. While many of these laws technically are gender neutral, in many states unwed genetic mothers by default get custody… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/09/21 02:42 AM |
| 9 | Gender Roles and Helping BehaviorArchive link: https://web.archive.org/web/20210924120930/https://kb.osu.edu/bitstream/handle/1811/60342/Gender_Roles_and_Helping_Behavior.pdf "[O]verall, participants were most likely to help females in dangerous situations, followed by females in emotional situations, males in dangerous situations, and males in emotional situations." "As shown in Table 1 males were most likely to help females in dangerous situations, followed by males in dangerous situations, females in emotional situations, an… | /r/Male_Studies | 24/09/21 12:09 PM |
| 3 | Examples of Cultural Attitudes from A 1912 Play About SuffragettesSorry this response took so long. It's really astounding how we can accept both of these ideas of women and never see the contradiction in them. I've been thinking recently about mainstream views about gender and how contradictory they are. Patriarchy theory does basically lead one to think that men must have had an inherent ability and willingness to oppress women which led them to create and enforce gender roles to do it and women do not have similar ability or willingness to oppress men. It r… | /r/MensRights | 24/09/21 08:07 AM |
| 47 | Why is fear a female coded emotion?I don't think fear is solely or even primarily dependent on one's size. I'm a short guy (about 5'6) with a very slender build. My weight is below 100 pounds. I'm not equipped for any physical altercation whatsoever, and yet seem to feel a lot less unsafe when out at night than do a lot of other people, including many larger than me. I used to walk out at 3am because I like how quiet the city is then, and despite having some profoundly creepy encounters with people (literally once had a group of … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/09/21 03:48 AM |
| 15 | Sabina NessaWhat if we created a system to protect women by requiring that when they're out of the home, they're escorted by a trusted chaperone or two. We can't have women out meeting strange and dangerous men unaccompanied by a male protector and a parent or female relative. See, society has solved this problem previously. Honestly I can easily see this fundamentalist Islam-like state of affairs as arising from female insistence and for female benefit. Sure, we think it's bad now, but you have to remember… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/09/21 05:54 PM |
| 3 | Mid-week check-inHey. I'm not a particularly social person, but the isolation has been getting to me a bit as well (though it's likely been easier on me than on others, I have always been a bit of a recluse). If you ever want to talk, my private messages are always open. I'm not a particularly skilled conversationalist and it might not be the type of interaction you're looking for, but hey, just thought I'd offer. | /r/MenSupportMen | 23/09/21 08:02 AM |
| 4 | The right wing media is purposeful trying to escalate gender wars.It's also incredibly telling that we don't see things such as male Charlie's Angels and male Tomb Raider (Lars Croft, anyone?). This push is only going one way. I also kind of like how their complaint is that there aren't good parts for women and people of colour when the worst characterisations of women and people of colour I've ever seen are in woke films. Regardless of if they're co-opting an existing franchise or making a new one they make them utterly impossible to care about whatsoever. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/09/21 07:48 PM |
| 7 | The right wing media is purposeful trying to escalate gender wars.When one sees how much left wing media stirs up gender animosity, it's kind of hard to argue that polarisation is the fault of the right. Just look at the trash-heap that is the Guardian. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/09/21 07:42 PM |
| 1 | I wish I was wrongI'm not a historian, I'm a layman with an interest in these topics. The highest level of education I have is an undergraduate degree, and it's not in history or statistics, they are in business subjects. As I noted in a comment of mine below the post, the fact that someone like me with basically no experience in study design can poke such gaping holes in academics' work is seriously evidence of such a huge problem in the sciences, especially the soft sciences. I don't know if you remember me, bu… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/09/21 07:52 AM |
| 1 | I wish I was wrongI just remembered your comment out of the blue and decided to find it. It wasn't hard because I use this site to find old Reddit comments, I don't scroll through people's comment histories manually. That takes too long. And yeah, many historians don't even try to hide their ideological slant. I had a run in with a supposed "historian" on the r/MensRights sub a while back who claimed, among other things, that Puritan women were "beaten every day" (a very unrealistic assertion, as you can see) and… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/09/21 05:53 AM |
| 1 | I wish I was wrongThis is just an example of how ideological historians can be. There are some questions they don't want asked and that they definitely don't want answered, because it would contradict the unidirectional narrative of female oppression that they definitely seem to want to push through. Easier and more convenient to focus on everything that wasn't perfect for women and to ignore every way in which men were shortchanged. I trust modern scholarship on history less and less and less the more I look at … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/09/21 10:27 PM |
| 4 | Critiquing the Mikael Elinder/Oscar Erixson study of maritime disasters.Nice find. I think there is a problem that you mentioned in passing, but without getting into the details, and which seems pretty damning from a statistic standpoint. Yeah, I was looking for a way to explain that issue (the lack of independence of the outcomes of many of the individuals in their sample) but couldn't really find the words to do so, and definitely wouldn't have been able to go into it in such detail. Regardless of how large your sample of individuals is and how many people are on … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/09/21 06:47 PM |
| 3 | Feminists protest against equal retirement age in SwitzerlandI guess the most shocking part is how they see bonding with your own children as “work”. Given how feminists constantly blather on about the "burden of childcare", I'm not shocked by it at all. They see family life as an unfair and time-consuming imposition, whereas most people see it as one of the biggest things that gives their life meaning. And apparently there are researches out there using even fishier methods to deliberately inflate women’s efforts while diminishing the efforts of men. And… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/09/21 01:08 AM |
| 4 | A follow up on my previous post relating to marital rape.The claim is a general historical one from what I've seen, generally encompassing all pre-modern societies. Yeah, which is interesting because in societies today which are not as modernised as ours, for example Middle Eastern countries, it is actually very easy to find evidence of gender symmetry in sexual assault victimisation. Easier than in the West, surprisingly. [the examining woman] exposed her naked breasts and with her hands warmed at the said fire, she held and rubbed the penis and test… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/09/21 12:09 AM |
| 5 | So it turns out that the idea that "it was legal to rape your wife" is actually wrong.Actually, that's still false and is a misleading strawman of my argument. I'm arguing that the law did not allow husbands to rape their wives. It was not prosecuted as rape, but they could be held liable for having assaulted their wives. More than that, I'm arguing that the system was not misogynistic. While these alternative remedies can be argued to have been lacking, you are ignoring a huge point here which I have mentioned over and over again which is that men were not considered as having b… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/09/21 08:42 PM |
| 6 | Feminists protest against equal retirement age in SwitzerlandI have so many issues with the claims being made about "unpaid labour" and how saddled women supposedly are with it. There are so many feminist claims about how even if you add paid labour to the mix women still work more than men, OMG. Poor women, made slaves by their lazy husbands. Firstly, I don't even think looking at "hours worked" is a good measure of productivity. Just because someone takes more time to do something doesn't mean that they've contributed more or done more, nor does it mean… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/09/21 08:01 PM |
| 2 | Examples of Cultural Attitudes from A 1912 Play About SuffragettesYep. I do think what women have asked for have changed with the times, though. In the past it was "We're just so weak and dainty, so men have to protect us from the outside world and the harshness of nature". But the safer things have become and the fewer external threats there are, their demands have started shifting towards something more like "We're just so weak and dainty, so we have to be protected from men". | /r/MensRights | 19/09/21 07:13 PM |
| 3 | It is time we remember Afghan men are also victims of this warI wanted to respond to this as soon as you posted it, but then got caught up in an argument and got tired, hah. I really need to stop being dragged into endless arguments with feminists, but it's so infuriating. Anyway, I'm getting to it now. Probably where I differ the most from people on this subreddit (and I suspect you may agree with me), is whether abolishing gender (sex) roles are possible in the first place, and even if assume it is possible, is it even something that is truly desirable i… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/09/21 03:38 AM |
| 6 | So it turns out that the idea that "it was legal to rape your wife" is actually wrong.Oh no! A RAINN analysis of multiple studies that corroborate almost everything I said! Actually, your WaPo link does not corroborate much of anything you said at all. Providing evidence of low conviction rates is not evidence that the low conviction rates result from bias on the part of cops and juries. You know why rape is hard to prove? It's not because of juries. It's because it is a crime based largely on consent. You don't only have to prove that the act occurred, you have to prove that the… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/09/21 06:56 PM |
| 6 | So it turns out that the idea that "it was legal to rape your wife" is actually wrong.I responded directly to your idea that if a rape isnt proven in court, then boo-hoo, too bad, nothing can be done about it. When a lot can be done. Actually, nothing you said refutes that point of mine. If an accuser doesn't have evidence to prove a rape occurred beyond a reasonable doubt, no conviction can be obtained. Then you just went on a tirade about muh evil juries. And no, you're 100% wrong, most police officers and juries do not see the signs in real rape victims. You can keep making th… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/09/21 05:47 PM |
| 9 | So it turns out that the idea that "it was legal to rape your wife" is actually wrong.I'll educate you. "Educate" lol. All you did was go on a rambling non-sequitur about rape in general. Also, everything you just said is wrong. Even under present-day laws, less than 1% of rapes lead to a conviction and incarceration for the perpetrator. Statistics that extreme point to a failing on the part of the legal system. Feminists: "False rape accusations are very rare, look at how few cases are proven to be false!" Also feminists: "Convictions for rape are very rare, RAPISTS ARE GOING FR… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/09/21 05:31 PM |
| 11 | So it turns out that the idea that "it was legal to rape your wife" is actually wrong.If there were no marks left on the wife's body, it would be impossible to prove that physical force was used. All rapes need to be proven to have happened. If your complaint is that women had to prove that they were raped in order to secure a conviction, well, welcome to innocent until proven guilty and the burden of proof. Sorry you don't like that. You can't just waltz into a courtroom, provide no actual evidence of having been forced into sex, and obtain a conviction. The conviction of assaul… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/09/21 04:20 PM |
| 16 | So it turns out that the idea that "it was legal to rape your wife" is actually wrong.That claim wasn't one I was addressing and therefore putting the onus on me to demonstrate that is placing the burden of proof where it doesn't belong. Point to where I said that the system was perfect and provided perfect redress for everybody in the past. Wow, policing wasn't up to scratch back then? Wow, the criminal justice system left a lot to be desired - for everyone? Colour me shocked. Things being not perfect and the system having flaws is not evidence of oppression, let alone gendered … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/09/21 07:40 AM |
| 9 | So it turns out that the idea that "it was legal to rape your wife" is actually wrong.Thanks, haha. I've actually been downvoted a bit, at least at this early stage of the post being up. I kind of find it funny that a fairly factual post can ruffle people's feathers so much that they downvote. Perhaps it's because I sound callous. But someone really does need to call out this downright misinformation and misrepresentation that keeps being bandied around and portrayed as truth, and at this stage I can't be fucked to sound particularly nice while doing it. I just can't. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/09/21 07:02 AM |
| 16 | So it turns out that the idea that "it was legal to rape your wife" is actually wrong.Yes, however it was not legal to force your spouse into sex. Sure, it wasn't considered rape then and the offence could not be prosecuted as rape, but one could still be held liable for it as an assault on their spouse. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/09/21 06:07 AM |
| 26 | So it turns out that the idea that "it was legal to rape your wife" is actually wrong.I get what you're saying about it being a half truth, but you can see why feminists would be mad about that. Even if they were punished, it still should have been recognized as rape, end of story. I can understand why. But they always hold it up in discussions as being an example of male privilege and female oppression in a patriarchal society. I'm sure you've seen it before. The fact is that the claim is a half truth at best and openly false at worst - it was indeed illegal to rape your wife be… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/09/21 06:05 AM |
| 5 | So it turns out that the idea that "it was legal to rape your wife" is actually wrong.We're talking about if men could rape their wives without legal consequence in the past, like honest to god rapes and not "I felt pressured into doing so" definitions of rape. In order to find evidence for this view of theirs, feminists cite the fact that spousal rape was not legally considered rape. As the cases outlined show, however, spousal rape could still be prosecuted under assault laws. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/09/21 05:46 AM |
| 5 | LWMA Lounge September 2021Just want to share something I stumbled across during my research into history. Again, it's not significant enough for a post, but I'll just put it here. It's about the worst mining disaster in Tennessee - the Fraterville mine disaster of 1902, triggered by an explosion which killed many men and trapped many more in the mines without sufficient air. Over 200 men and boys were killed there. All but three of the town's men were killed. https://sharetngov.tnsosfiles.com/tsla/exhibits/disasters/frat… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/09/21 04:13 AM |
| 16 | Democrats Continue to Struggle With Men of ColorI think you've hit the nail on the head. It couldn't be that PoC notice when democrats call PoC who disagree with them racial slurs like uncle Tom when they express any sort of attitude which doesn't fall in line with the party. Not sure if Asians are considered PoC anymore or if they're considered too successful collectively to fall under that banner now, but the first person who I remember hearing call me any racial slur was a wokester who private messaged me and criticised me for participatin… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/09/21 07:48 PM |
| 14 | Democrats Continue to Struggle With Men of ColorTo add to the info you provided about abortion being supported and opposed approximately equally by men and women, I had an argument on r/FeminismUncensored recently where the Texas abortion law was discussed, among other things, and in that discussion I did some research and brought out numbers regarding support for and opposition to abortion by sex, for the state of Texas specifically. https://np.reddit.com/r/FeminismUncensored/comments/pkh72i/im_an_autistic_woman_i_used_to_identify_as_a/hc83j… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/09/21 06:25 PM |
| 3 | if Femsplaining were a person it would be @emrazz. Holy shit!Yes, she's nuts. She and other Twitter feminists are also best ignored. emrazz and other Twitter feminists are not worth even giving a shit about. When you read their stuff, you end up wanting to argue with them. And I used to really get into it with feminists there, and it just wasn't worth the time and energy. They have all the time in the world to spew their poisonous rhetoric, they have a whole host of ways to rhetorically backflip their way out of having to acknowledge any evidence you prov… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/09/21 09:23 AM |
| 14 | If intersectionality was to include men (without the blame game that usually goes on, currently), would you support it or not?Well argued but would you suggest a black man on average has the same prospects as a white one in Africa, or a poor kid with a rich one? A gay person, like you said, with a straight one in, for example, Alabama? The thing is that intersectionality does not account for any of that nuance or context which you just made an attempt at acknowledging. Location and circumstance do not matter to its analysis, especially its analysis of the identity-based relations which intersectionality has become so n… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/09/21 10:55 AM |
| 21 | If intersectionality was to include men (without the blame game that usually goes on, currently), would you support it or not?The problem with intersectionality is that while it exists, in theory, to acknowledge the ways in which things overlap and compound That is the very issue with intersectionality at its core. The hierarchy of oppression or at least disadvantage it creates completely neglects that the actual reality is much more complex than its simple hierarchy. Intersectionality inherently relies on an oppressor-oppressed or at least an advantaged-disadvantaged dynamic to every group relationship. So this gets a… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/09/21 10:19 AM |
| 21 | Sick Of MeToo And Time's UpOMG, feminists are charlatans??? Who would've thought? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/09/21 11:04 PM |
| 13 | Reflecting on Shoe0nhead's gender issues debateYep. I've been trying to untangle feminist rhetorical tactics and counter them for a while now. It takes some work. It's a lot harder to tackle someone else's stupid bullshit rather than spew it, and feminists try really hard to inoculate their belief system from criticism and make things as unfalsifiable as humanly possible. One of the only reasons why I am even trying is because I'm very easy to drive to anger and can't stand listening to their shit anymore. And when it comes to Shoe, while sh… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/09/21 02:54 AM |
| 9 | Reflecting on Shoe0nhead's gender issues debateI agree. I think men are inherently much more sympathetic to women's issues than their own, to the extent that I've even detected an empathy gap in myself. Even I find that it takes some conscious effort not to drift into that state of mind where I feel like female wellbeing and safety should be focused on. And it's easy to feel more for women. I just don't indulge it, because I don't think it's right. And looking at the responses in this thread, many MRAs have this problem too. Feminists taking… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/09/21 02:20 AM |
| 3 | Is one of the reasons a lot of women are viewed as "overemotional" is because they are expressing feelings men would be shamed for?Yeah, it seems that being seen as weak, vulnerable, emotional and helpless is definitely beneficial to women in a way it is not for men. For example, look at biology as an indicator of this. The greater physical neoteny that women have evolved to have does not particularly portray them as strong and capable, but instead exists to elicit care and compassion. Not only that, women also act more neotenous - they have smaller tear ducts, meaning that less tears are needed to fill the ducts before the… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 12/09/21 11:58 PM |
| 17 | [Australia] "There's no such thing as systemic misandry"But I'm not going to sugarcoat that Australia has a poor track record as far as the "conversation" around masculinity goes, as well as actually doing anything to reduce family violence. Yeah Australia has an awful track record on this. Take it from someone who lives there, these ads were plastered all over Australia a while back. They pretty explicitly painted men and even boys' behaviour as "the problem" - evil oppressors who need to be reined in and taught to not be abusers, and who we're not … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 12/09/21 11:24 PM |
| 4 | Boy gropes girl at school. What should the consequences be?It seems that you don't understand the principle of innocent until proven guilty, nor do you understand why we apply the legal standard of "beyond a reasonable doubt" in criminal cases. Until you understand this, I hope you never sit on a jury, become a judge or make legislation, because you are going to turn the criminal justice system into an agent of oppression. Also, I have an allegation to make. Two years ago EnvironmentalWar4627 violently raped me. I didn't report it out of being in denial… | /r/MensRights | 12/09/21 02:57 PM |
| 7 | It is time we remember Afghan men are also victims of this warNice authoritarian apologia, buddy. "Oppressing people is natural!" Please find another explanation as to why well-defined gender roles that we now think of as horribly restrictive existed in pretty much every society that became a civilisation up until the modern age, then. "Yes, women have to be denied rights in order for society to survive!" Where did I say only the gender roles women are held to are necessary for survival? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 11/09/21 04:08 AM |
| 6 | It is time we remember Afghan men are also victims of this warYou didn't answer my question. My goal was not to haggle over definitions of oppression. I'm merely stating that if one considers Afghan women oppressed, they also have to consider Afghan men oppressed. Afghan women are responsible for their own oppression? Get a hold of yourself. I mean, I can't make you believe something that you're clearly unwilling to believe. I think the idea that Afghan women have simply had these sex roles imposed upon them without input and just accepted it and even ende… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 11/09/21 04:04 AM |
| 4 | It is time we remember Afghan men are also victims of this warand harsh and restrictive gender roles (imposed on and supported by both men and women) is the realistic and functional response to this. Yeah, I feel like this point isn't getting through. I wonder why it's so common not to question things more. Did Afghans just decide to impose a horrible, no good, very bad, system for no particular reason other than to make life miserable for everyone, or did it arise as a functional method of organising and ordering society in the face of war, famine, povert… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 11/09/21 02:27 AM |
| 8 | It is time we remember Afghan men are also victims of this warTheir freedom of movement is restricted. And the provider role is enforced on men to the extent that you can see Afghan boys doing hard labour in order to provide for their female relatives. Here is a blogpost by William Collins talking about that. http://empathygap.uk/?p=43 Domestic violence is tolerated. 90% of Afghan women have reported experiencing domestic violence. Firstly, the Wikipedia article you linked does not actually provide the source for that assertion. It's basically an unsourced… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 11/09/21 01:39 AM |
| 1 | "self examination", "introspection" and why feminist approaches to men's issues don't work.So, I'm reviving this old thread just to say that I did end up checking out r/FeminismUncensored, and participated in a discussion there, and suffice to say I don't think I'll be returning. In short, you were correct. It is a bit of a dumpster fire and I'm unsure of how productive the conversations there are. Still, good to see a lot of MRAs are there. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/09/21 10:59 PM |
| 2 | Mid-week check-inI went from denial about my parents' behavior, to guilt and doubt over what I was feeling, to resentment, to loathing. This is exactly the type of thing that's happening with me right now. I'm in between the "guilt and doubt" and "resentment" stage currently. I did relatively recently manage to make my parents kind of understand how much the pressure I was put through messed with me and they have become been more reasonable since, but I can't help resenting them still. To make an analogy, it's k… | /r/MenSupportMen | 08/09/21 11:56 PM |
| 4 | What do you think of this explanation of the "patriarchy"?She says it here. https://np.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/ddmy6d/because_you_claimed_its_about_equality/f370lh0/?context=3 The above paragraph you quoted is not her own belief, it is to point out how feminist rhetoric is reliant on a view of women as lacking agency. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/09/21 10:26 PM |
| 12 | Is one of the reasons a lot of women are viewed as "overemotional" is because they are expressing feelings men would be shamed for?With regards to your second point, I might have already shown you this before but I've previously written about an anthropological study of the Swahili (full text here), published in 1982, showing an example in practice of how women were able to manipulate these beliefs about female over-emotionality to their advantage in order to get their husbands to give them very large sums of money for their expenditure on fineries. This despite said husbands being the breadwinners who controlled the money,… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/09/21 09:10 PM |
| 26 | What do you think of this explanation of the "patriarchy"?Okay, let's just brush past their use of the word "patriarchy" for a second. I love how they say that by opposing the patriarchy feminism is helping men. That's observably bullshit. By their definition, the patriarchy is being held up by none other than so-called "progressive" feminists who supposedly seek to tear down the status quo. According to feminists, men need to make way for women and offer them positions based on their sex via affirmative action policies. Men need to take on responsibil… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 07/09/21 10:50 PM |
| 1 | A Generation of American Men Give Up on College: ‘I Just Feel Lost’CERN is the European Organisation for Nuclear Research, and what it does is provide infrastructure and equipment required for a whole lot of physics research and famously contains the Large Hadron Collider. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 07/09/21 07:46 PM |
| 5 | Mid-week check-inBeen pretty conflicted about how I should feel about my family. If anyone wants some background to what I'm talking about here, I wrote about my situation over a week ago here. I'm writing a bunch about this lately because I have a lot to work through, and this is the one support subreddit I feel comfortable on where few users will spew feminist-inspired bullshit which likely does more harm than good. I've been slowly realising over time that my situation was not really normal and I don't have m… | /r/MenSupportMen | 07/09/21 07:01 PM |
| 41 | A Generation of American Men Give Up on College: ‘I Just Feel Lost’Professors are just as ideological as everyone else. In some fields maybe more so, honestly. To use this comment as a bit of a springboard to go on a tangent as I usually do, the lack of heterodox thinking and sheer intolerance for opposing views that is rampant throughout academia is seriously staggering and should worry us all, given that these people are informing the public. Activism is being passed off as rigorous science, and results that do not conform to the ideological orthodoxy are see… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 07/09/21 12:44 PM |
| 4 | Why are so many comparisons being drawn between the new Texas abortion law and "The Handmaid's Tale?"These are all just my hypotheses, but I'd go a bit further and say that it's more than that they're merely addicted to being outraged. I'd say that The Handmaid's Tale is oppression porn for women who find psychological pleasure in the idea of being victims deserving of compensation, especially considering what a bludgeon it is. By acting as a victim, it is possible to 'game' society to get financial, professional and social benefits at the expense of your alleged victimisers, and the easiest wa… | /r/MensRights | 07/09/21 11:21 AM |
| 3 | Penis shaming: can we actually talk about it?It’s honestly very baffling to look at most relationships around you and realize how one-sided they are and how one individual is getting so much more out of it than the other. And that’s seen as something completely natural… It truly makes you question true love. It's not only seen as natural, but justifiable and 100% moral. Many women do not question it and just accept it as the way things should be, as do many men. And it’s funny, because we grow up exposed to so much media talking about how … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/09/21 04:39 PM |
| 4 | Penis shaming: can we actually talk about it?So many times have I seen men I consider attractive being told that they’re lucky to have their girlfriends To go on a bit of a tangent, guys in general are told that they're "lucky" for simply having their girlfriends, and this is usually absent of an evaluation of the attractiveness or personality or success of each of the parties. It's so common that it's just become one of these things that people say, one of these stock quotes that just gets trotted out when they don't have anything really … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/09/21 09:17 AM |
| 13 | A reminder about the Duluth Model.Yeah, it's a genuinely awful, mercenary outlook. I'm not astounded by it, anymore. I've been tangling with feminists for so long that nothing they do surprises me. I think most people with any shred of morality in their body who takes the time to look too deeply and too far into what feminists say and do will become a fairly ardent anti-feminist. I do remember my early days discovering just exactly the kind of shit that feminists were up to and being shocked over and over again by the depths of … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/09/21 06:38 AM |
| 7 | A reminder about the Duluth Model.Yes, I was exaggerating. I'll concede that they're people. I see them and their ideology as an example of how easy it is for people to develop threat narratives which vilify a specific biologically designated group, how easy it is for people to get attached to said threat narratives no matter how nonsensical and internally inconsistent it is, and how much energy people will put into attempting to dodge information which contradicts said threat narratives. Not only that, it's an example of how ea… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/09/21 06:24 AM |
| 8 | A reminder about the Duluth Model.Yep. Honestly, the more I see feminists open their mouths, the less I think they're even human. The level of overt cruelty, dishonesty, and disregard for others they routinely exhibit in a mercenary attempt to defend their ideology is just staggering. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/09/21 02:35 AM |
| 76 | A reminder about the Duluth Model.Also remember that feminists are employing a shit ton of intellectual dishonesty when they level arguments against Conflict Tactics Scale (CTS) surveys showing gender symmetry. If ever you need arguments against a feminist trying to attack the CTS, this is a good blog post which exposes the flaws and dishonesty inherent in feminist critiques of CTS studies. https://linearthinker.wordpress.com/2010/10/26/weighing-in-on-the-domestic-violence-debate-a-response-to-david-manboobz-futrelle/ Most studi… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 05/09/21 05:44 PM |
| 2 | Some unresolved issues.It does feel good to unload. Thank you. And yeah, having your whole life devoted to academic achievement is really not fun. I haven't encountered all too many other people who have been made to study like crazy at an early age - perhaps you can relate to my sense of not really feeling like I got to have a "proper" childhood. What made it worse was not only being pushed through university at an early age, and not only being expected to pass, but to excel and anything below that was treated as a d… | /r/MenSupportMen | 03/09/21 06:43 PM |
| 9 | Abortion rights and mysogonyI would go and dig up all the sources I have but I don't have to given that u/duhhhh recently already made a comment addressing that. https://np.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/pdrcfy/what_are_your_hardest_hitting_stock_resources_to/hatxqvl/?context=3 | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/09/21 06:13 PM |
| 14 | Griet Vandermassen wrote about the Plymouth shooting!I'm another non-straight guy who isn't attracted to women and who's a complete outsider to heterosexual dating and yet I've noticed massive problems with it in general as well. It’s as she says. The dynamics of heterosexual relationships continue to be dictated by hypergamy, which is even more jarring and contradictory in a time of relaxation of the female gender role. The worst thing is that the consequences of that same hypergamy which leads successful women to have a lower chance of marrying … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/09/21 02:31 AM |
| 4 | LWMA Lounge September 2021Figures. It was too good to be true. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/09/21 09:03 AM |
| 4 | My comment on suffragettes and the white feather campaignGood job doing absolutely nothing but showing how delusional you people are. Hey, if you want to go and wage a non-existent "war" (really, it was nothing but a one-sided terrorist campaign which a shit ton of women did not even support in the first place) and hurt a lot of people in the process, you go right ahead. Looking forward to when your movement's reputation is in the shitter and is completely irrecoverable. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/09/21 02:10 AM |
| 4 | My comment on suffragettes and the white feather campaignDenial of women's agency is certainly always one of their first go-tos when trying to inoculate themselves from considering information which challenges their worldview. The "internalised misogyny" argument starts falling apart when you realise that men were more progressive on the topic of women's suffrage than women were, though. http://www.societyforhistoryeducation.org/pdfs/M15_Miller.pdf | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/09/21 01:15 AM |
| 3 | My comment on suffragettes and the white feather campaignOh I think Ancient-Abs fully believes the shit they say. I have seen this user get into pretty intense tangles with users I'm familiar with like LacklustreFriend and MelissaMiranti. I can't find the argument anymore but IIRC it happened on FeMRADebates. They're just a lunatic, I think. Though I wish I could say my encounter with Ancient-Abs was the most bizarre encounter I have ever had with a feminist. I've encountered feminists who are even more nuts than that, who are extreme and clearly delu… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/09/21 01:05 AM |
| 4 | LWMA Lounge September 2021Like forever. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 01/09/21 11:05 PM |
| 6 | My comment on suffragettes and the white feather campaignI've spoken to too many recently who genuinely believe that all human rights stem from feminism. I've spoken to someone who unironically has gone even further than that. Here is what they said to me: "Honestly, I do not know how anyone could NOT be a feminist in our day and age. Feminism is the reason we have computers and technology. Feminism is at the center of everything we do and accomplish. Both you and I are nothing without feminism. It has fought tirelessly and selflessly for our rights."… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 01/09/21 11:01 PM |
| 15 | My comment on suffragettes and the white feather campaignThis again, no. Just no. No, kicking the shit out of your wife was not legal - or even accepted - then. I've done my own research looking at newspaper archives from England and Wales (which at the time already shared a legal system with England) and found many instances of DV against women being dealt with harshly, as far back as the nineteenth century. Wife-beaters were detested and were often targeted by members of the community in the past. This newspaper details a case in 1867 where a group … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 01/09/21 10:29 PM |
| 7 | My comment on suffragettes and the white feather campaignAnd just for the fun of watching their head explode like a balloon, ask them if they knew that more women opposed women's suffrage than supported it. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 01/09/21 09:33 PM |
| 8 | My comment on suffragettes and the white feather campaignI'd also like to add a few things. From what I recall, the reason why women didn't get the vote before WW1 was because of the public not being happy with the actions of the suffragettes, and PM at the time H. H. Asquith not allowing the bill to go through Parliament, even though the rest of his party supported it. Also likely contributing to the delay when it comes to women's suffrage was that more women actually opposed women's suffrage than supported it. Here is an excerpt from a 1910 parliame… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 01/09/21 09:28 PM |
| 6 | What are your hardest hitting stock resources to our opponents?I've been looking into jailing for child support and have been really horrified. If someone asks "How would someone get jailed for failure to pay child support" and points to how jailing for contempt is technically supposed to be only invoked when they have the money but fail to pay, I would provide this article as an explanation. "Civil Contempt and the Indigent Child Support Obligor: The Silent Return of Debtor’s Prison" https://scholarship.law.cornell.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1281&cont… | /r/MensRights | 01/09/21 08:32 PM |
| 22 | My comment on suffragettes and the white feather campaignFrom just the Wikipedia page you linked: In early June 1913, a series of fires purposely started in rural areas in Bradford killed at least two men, as well as several horses.[67] The acts were officially "claimed" by the suffragettes in their official newspaper, The Suffragette.[67] Over the next few months, suffragette attacks continued to threaten death and injury. On 2 June, a suffragette bomb was discovered at the South Eastern District Post Office, London, containing enough nitroglycerine … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 01/09/21 07:48 PM |
| 26 | My comment on suffragettes and the white feather campaignSuffragettes were also violent terrorists. They were a small minority of women who believed that the best way to gain the right to vote was not to convince women themselves to support it but to plant IEDs in highly populated areas throughout the British Isles in order to strong-arm legislators into going against the wishes of women in general (the data available suggests that women were on average more opposed to women's suffrage than pro-women's suffrage). In fact, the first terrorist bomb to e… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 01/09/21 06:59 PM |
| 3 | if LWMA were to host an AMA who are some people you would like to see.I agree and I think there are some additional arguments and points that she has neglected to mention in her videos, perhaps because she's not aware of them. In the event of an AMA, in addition to asking her about her opinions on X and Y and Z, I'm kind of hoping to bring these additional arguments up. Perhaps nothing will come of that, but maybe she'll bring it up in a video or two and expose more people to these arguments. She's been known to use other people's comments in her videos before. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 01/09/21 02:31 PM |
| 4 | if LWMA were to host an AMA who are some people you would like to see.I'm not particularly convinced that she does any of these things, but I doubt either of us are currently willing to get into a protracted discussion about her opinions and their validity, or lack thereof. In short, I'm willing to agree to disagree if you are. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 01/09/21 02:23 PM |
| 3 | if LWMA were to host an AMA who are some people you would like to see.It's such a shame, in my opinion, that she feels as if there's not much more to do or say. I would definitely participate quite heavily in an AMA featuring Karen. I think the moderators should try and ask her anyway despite it not being super likely that she'll say yes. Love her or hate her, she's a very, very big part of the movement. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 01/09/21 01:25 PM |
| 3 | if LWMA were to host an AMA who are some people you would like to see.Oh sure. I'm talking mainly about the users who actively tried to smear her and employed bad faith repeatedly. There was one ProMaleCollective guy who went pretty far with this (or a few, depending on whether you view the several accounts who tried to do this as different people, or sock puppet accounts operated by the same person). Merely disagreeing with her is one thing. Following her into discussion after discussion to heckle her is another. I think some MRAs can view Karen as being pretty e… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 01/09/21 12:56 PM |
| 4 | if LWMA were to host an AMA who are some people you would like to see.Yeah. I would just in general like to probe her mind, ask a couple of questions, and perhaps introduce her to a few points which she might not know about. Though as I said, I don't consider it likely. There are more reasons than simply that she hasn't had good experiences with this subreddit. She's just generally been very, very inactive on her channel and on her Reddit account, and has stated recently that she feels like there's not much else for her to discover or to say about men's issues. Pe… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 01/09/21 08:09 AM |
| 11 | LWMA Lounge September 2021This is not detailed enough for a regular post, so I'm just putting it here and seeing what people think. If anyone recalls, I had a discussion with a feminist about the wealth gap recently. They claimed that women own 32 cents on the dollar compared to men and that this was evidence of women's "economic disadvantage". Tracking this number back, it was popularised by a feminist called Mariko Chang, and contrary to how it was presented to me, the number is not comparing the medians of all women a… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 01/09/21 06:27 AM |
| 9 | if LWMA were to host an AMA who are some people you would like to see.I would love to see Karen Straughan, but last time she was here, her reception wasn't super good so I'm kind of skeptical of the possibility of getting an AMA with her specifically. There were a lot of MensLibbers here, as well as a lot of ProMaleCollective guys with a sheer hatred of any MRA more right-leaning than they would like. A bit of a shame, because I think the people who denounced her with such vitriol are gone from this sub now. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 01/09/21 05:30 AM |
| 3 | Daughter preference - the other side of the coin.Just goes to show that once you remove all dividends, these Asian cultures largely have a girl preference opposed to a boy preference, and that this statistical birthing inequality isn't caused by a place of malice towards the female baby. This is also supported by the study in Korea I linked noting that when financial considerations become less of a factor for parents, they start wanting companionship and other such things which they perceive daughters provide better, and they swing towards dau… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 01/09/21 05:08 AM |
| 6 | Daughter preference - the other side of the coin.That's absolutely true but that's the irritating thing, isn't it. Fuse showed that of women who have a preference, 42% exhibit bias in favour of daughters, and 58% in favour of sons. It's indeed an overall bias in favour of boys but if you gender-flipped these numbers, I rather think the public wouldn't think the disparity is large enough to treat it solely as a men's issue. As a case in point, infanticide shows an overall bias in favour of girls. This is an (admittedly fairly old, but pretty co… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 31/08/21 04:51 PM |
| 6 | Daughter preference - the other side of the coin.Correct. But considering we don't hear at all about DP and only ever hear about SP, however, one would think SP is overwhelmingly more common. That just isn't true and creates a distorted perception of parental preference in the developing world. My goal was not to prove perfect parity, but just to demonstrate that there is a substantial daughter preference in many developing societies fairly comparable with the extent of son preference. EDIT: As an aside, there really is very little research on… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 31/08/21 04:21 PM |
| 3 | Some unresolved issues.I took a bit to reply because I didn't know what to say for the longest time. Which is really rare because I'm usually incredibly verbose and almost always have something to say. You may already know that if you've seen anything at all I've written on r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates, hah. Again, I'm usually not comfortable with baring my soul to people even to family, let alone online. I'm typically quite an aloof person even to those I do like (not sure why, really). This is an incredibly unusual post … | /r/MenSupportMen | 30/08/21 07:43 PM |
| 4 | We need to fight against accusations of being a part of the "alt-right"Not to defend the alt-right which is a group I really have no love for, but I take the opposite point of view - I tend to view the alt-right as a reaction to critical social justice/wokeness. Antifa and other such seemingly recent alt-left movements, as you call them, have ideological roots that go far back. They are just the latest incarnation of that narrative. They stem from a whole host of simplistic threat narratives which designate one group as the "oppressor" and the other as the "oppress… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/08/21 08:25 PM |
| 12 | Is the reason for the tabooness of single men simply due to them not filling the provider role?Last I checked, full-time work is actually becoming less and less attractive to mothers over the years. https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2007/07/12/fewer-mothers-prefer-full-time-work/ In 2007 only 21% of working mothers want to work full time, as compared to the 32% that said this back in 1997. Only 16% of stay at home mothers wanted to work full time in 2007, compared to the 24% that felt that way in 1997. And a whopping 48% of all at-home moms in 2007 said "that not working at all ou… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/08/21 03:50 PM |
| 8 | "Women presumed to be socially/economically disadvantaged" - proposed infrastructure Bill in U.S discriminates against menYou can continue claiming that but you can't point to any practical disadvantage that someone who actually controls but doesn't technically own the wealth has. You can claim that they can be stripped of that control but seeing how large a proportion of wealth it is that women actually control and continue to control, I somehow don't consider that a massive problem. If that legal advantage which ownership confers isn't used it's really no significant disadvantage at all for the person supposedly … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/08/21 04:14 AM |
| 6 | "Women presumed to be socially/economically disadvantaged" - proposed infrastructure Bill in U.S discriminates against menMy contention is that I have the same level of control over the assets and the same standard of living as my other family members despite not owning much of it. You can claim again and again that it's absurd and point to nebulous advantages that you think my family has that I don't, but you can't rebut anything I'm saying. If you can do nothing but point to theoretical legal power and ignore what's happening in practice in the real world, it's not a good argument. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/08/21 04:08 AM |
| 8 | "Women presumed to be socially/economically disadvantaged" - proposed infrastructure Bill in U.S discriminates against menOkay, I was walking outside for the majority of this discussion and was drafting responses on my phone (which made it difficult to read and type) but am back on my computer now and can be more detailed with my explanations. My contention is that if you own something, but let someone else control it and enjoy it in practice, that other person in practice has all the benefits of ownership of the asset despite not having legal ownership. As somebody who hasn't been able to work due to a painful und… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/08/21 04:04 AM |
| 10 | "Women presumed to be socially/economically disadvantaged" - proposed infrastructure Bill in U.S discriminates against menMockery and strawmanning still does not equal an actual point nor is it a rebuttal. You’ve said nothing whatsoever here. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/08/21 03:48 AM |
| 11 | "Women presumed to be socially/economically disadvantaged" - proposed infrastructure Bill in U.S discriminates against menYou do realise that the data you’re using is about the general population, right, not specifically divorced people? I shouldn’t have to tell you why this is a bad inference. Secondly, yes there is. The proper measure of economic power lies in actual, de facto control. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/08/21 03:45 AM |
| 8 | "Women presumed to be socially/economically disadvantaged" - proposed infrastructure Bill in U.S discriminates against menShowing your lack of understanding of, or sarcastically mocking the point (that ownership is not the same as control) is not an invalidation of the point. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/08/21 03:38 AM |
| 11 | "Women presumed to be socially/economically disadvantaged" - proposed infrastructure Bill in U.S discriminates against menIt started as a discussion about economic disadvantage. If you control the majority of the wealth in America it’s hard to call that economic disadvantage. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/08/21 03:35 AM |
| 10 | "Women presumed to be socially/economically disadvantaged" - proposed infrastructure Bill in U.S discriminates against menI never said anything about children’s financial power. I was talking about children’s standard of living and you moved it into a discussion about financial power. Have fun strawmanning me, though. Regardless, as the stats indicate women have a shit ton of de facto financial power. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/08/21 03:32 AM |
| 8 | "Women presumed to be socially/economically disadvantaged" - proposed infrastructure Bill in U.S discriminates against menThat’s unrelated to what I was asking. The fact is that regardless of what decisions the parent chooses to make with the money, the child benefits as much as the parent from the decisions made and has a legal right to support. Children are not poorer than their parents. Also, the stats show women have an incredible amount of control over money and wealth and have de facto control over purchasing decisions in families, so that objection you just made clearly does not apply to women. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/08/21 03:26 AM |
| 9 | "Women presumed to be socially/economically disadvantaged" - proposed infrastructure Bill in U.S discriminates against menIt doesn’t measure who’s enjoying the assets nor does it measure standard of living. Do you think children are poorer than their parents? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/08/21 03:19 AM |
| 8 | "Women presumed to be socially/economically disadvantaged" - proposed infrastructure Bill in U.S discriminates against menNo, it is not, I don't think. I’ve explained why ownership should not be our main consideration as it doesn’t appropriately measure control and enjoyment of said wealth. Your failure to understand that is yours alone. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/08/21 03:16 AM |
| 11 | "Women presumed to be socially/economically disadvantaged" - proposed infrastructure Bill in U.S discriminates against menCompletely untrue. If someone owns a house that you get to live in and pays for the expenses and the roof over your head, you have the same standard of living as them despite not technically owning the house. On divorce, women also have a right to their husband’s wealth and assets, so the idea that women are disadvantaged in any way by this is the absurd proposition. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/08/21 03:15 AM |
| 9 | "Women presumed to be socially/economically disadvantaged" - proposed infrastructure Bill in U.S discriminates against menOh, you’re talking about the wealth gap and not the wage gap. I initially interpreted that as “women have 32 cents less for every dollar a man owns” which made me think you were repeating the wage gap statistic. I’d need to see the primary source for that and how it’s calculated. Regardless, it likely doesn’t take into account the fact that who owns the wealth isn’t always the one to control and enjoy it. For example: https://girlpowermarketing.com/statistics-purchasing-power-women/ “Women contr… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/08/21 03:12 AM |
| 4 | "Women presumed to be socially/economically disadvantaged" - proposed infrastructure Bill in U.S discriminates against menIf this is the case why are there litterally double the amount of homeless men when compared to women? Your interlocutor is misinterpreting wage gap stats. The "X cents to the dollar" stat only compares the average earnings of full time male and female workers, it does not factor in homeless people without an income. Even if you completely disregard my argument I made earlier on in the discussion about how the wage gap does not consider who the money is earned for and spent on, its failure to ta… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/08/21 02:50 AM |
| 14 | "Women presumed to be socially/economically disadvantaged" - proposed infrastructure Bill in U.S discriminates against menIt seems self-evident to me that if you want to measure how someone is doing, it makes more sense to look at their spending/consumption, not income. You can enjoy what income buys without earning the income yourself, and similarly you're not necessarily the sole beneficiary of the income you earn. But whenever people make comments like yours and cite the income gap (which is largely a result of women's choices) as evidence of women's economic disadvantage implying that the only way for somebody … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/08/21 01:13 AM |
| 10 | New nationally representative (age: 16-69) survey from Belgium introduces a new strategy to exclude male victims of rape - and still finds equal 12-month prevalence rates of completed rape.Also, men can and do freeze when being attacked. Also also, women can and do force themselves on men when said man is incapacitated and literally unable to fight them off. Of course, when you tell people about that they then express a huge amount of disbelief about how penetration could occur if the man is incapacitated, because of misconceptions about erections as well as the possibility of achieving penetration with or without an erection. People just seem to almost instinctively, automaticall… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/08/21 11:24 AM |
| 3 | Are there any current statistics for false accusations of rape and sexual assault?I honestly find it so funny how feminists always complain about how few rape reports result in a conviction and think that means rapists are getting away with it, but then cite how few rape reports are determined to be false as evidence that false rape reports are rare. Cake, meet Have and Eat. You guys will get along swimmingly. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/08/21 07:24 AM |
| 8 | Why is "the male experience" so ill-informed?The whole nonsensical and circular line of reasoning basically goes like this: "I'm oppressed. How do I know? Well, I'm a woman, therefore oppressed, therefore I have a unique insight into how things work. Using my unique insight that my status as an oppressed person gives me, I can guarantee you I'm oppressed. Well, of course you don't believe me. You're a man. You're only saying that because you want to hold onto your privilege. I know this, because my oppressed status puts me in a position to… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/08/21 04:36 AM |
| 11 | What are your thoughts about people claiming doctors don’t take women’s pain seriously such as the gender health gap?There's also this: https://academic.oup.com/painmedicine/article/10/2/364/1833196 "Pain is a complex experience influenced by factors such as age, race, and ethnicity. We conducted a multicenter study to better understand emergency department (ED) pain management practices and examined the influence of patient and provider gender on analgesic administration. ... Eight hundred forty-two patients participated including 56% women. Baseline pain scores were similar in both genders. Analgesic adminis… | /r/MensRights | 22/08/21 02:45 PM |
| 9 | (WikiLeaks) CIA Report: Use feminism to reduce Western opposition to military occupation of Afghanistan [2010]I wrote about this previously as well. Truly appalling. https://www.reddit.com/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates/comments/p5fw8p/i_usually_dont_post_about_other_reddit_drama_but/h96fz2j/?context=3 | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/08/21 02:43 PM |
| 28 | Is it true that the police arrest the man if he calls them on an abusive wife/girlfriend in the US?https://www.researchgate.net/publication/233694571_In_Dubious_Battle_The_Politics_of_Mandatory_Arrest_and_Dominant_Aggressor_Laws California is one of several states that defines the dominant aggressor not as the first aggressor but rather the most “significant,” a sharp deviation from accepted police practice in responding to other crimes. As specified under state law and found in the domestic violence section of the Peace Officer Standards and Training (POST) manual, here are the factors taken… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/08/21 01:24 AM |
| 3 | "80% of Afghan Refugees Fleeing Taliban Are Women and Children". So it turns out that the narrative that Afghan men are fleeing while women and children are being "left behind" is completely wrong.They said "The overwhelming majority of people falsely claiming refugee over the past several years have been men". https://imgur.com/a/I7JdUrd I suspect they put this non-sequitur in the thread because they're simply offended by what I posted and cannot come up with any kind of response with any relevance to the post topic. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/08/21 04:42 PM |
| 6 | "80% of Afghan Refugees Fleeing Taliban Are Women and Children". So it turns out that the narrative that Afghan men are fleeing while women and children are being "left behind" is completely wrong.I'm largely in the same boat - I've been having to "pull back" from conversations on Afghanistan just to keep myself from losing my shit at some of the people opinionating on the topic. It seems apparent to me that most people really do not care to properly understand what's going on in Afghanistan, they are by and large talking about it in order to signal their virtue and to give themselves the warm fuzzies of moral superiority. There's rarely an ounce of critical thinking applied in any of the… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 20/08/21 11:37 AM |
| 2 | "80% of Afghan Refugees Fleeing Taliban Are Women and Children". So it turns out that the narrative that Afghan men are fleeing while women and children are being "left behind" is completely wrong.That’s only true on the assumption that the children in the family of five are all minors. Once the children reach the age of majority, they are no longer “children”. Children are only children for a minority of their lives. Regardless, I agree that women and children are likely the majority of the population (after all, it's 3 groups added together vs 1). How large a majority, I’m unsure, but 80% sounds a bit high. Even assuming men, women, boys, and girls were equally represented in the popula… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 20/08/21 03:45 AM |
| 6 | "80% of Afghan Refugees Fleeing Taliban Are Women and Children". So it turns out that the narrative that Afghan men are fleeing while women and children are being "left behind" is completely wrong.To be fully honest, if we're expecting men to fight and die for the benefit of their country, that is the bare minimum we could expect women to do to aid in the war effort. Of course, we don't seem to expect anything from them at all. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 20/08/21 02:26 AM |
| 2 | "80% of Afghan Refugees Fleeing Taliban Are Women and Children". So it turns out that the narrative that Afghan men are fleeing while women and children are being "left behind" is completely wrong.Right. Also, I can only see 17 comments under this post (including this one). Two are removed by you. But Reddit states there are 18 comments under the post. There's something I'm not seeing. Do you count 18, or only 17 like me? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/08/21 02:54 PM |
| 2 | "80% of Afghan Refugees Fleeing Taliban Are Women and Children". So it turns out that the narrative that Afghan men are fleeing while women and children are being "left behind" is completely wrong.What did they say? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/08/21 02:45 PM |
| 11 | "80% of Afghan Refugees Fleeing Taliban Are Women and Children". So it turns out that the narrative that Afghan men are fleeing while women and children are being "left behind" is completely wrong.Even if we accept for the sake of argument the current narrative that men are disproportionately fleeing at this very moment, the preponderance of men fleeing now might be because a lot of the women and children who want to leave have already fled in the earlier months leading up to this event. That is, the women and children may not currently be "left behind" whatsoever. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/08/21 02:28 PM |
| 17 | "80% of Afghan Refugees Fleeing Taliban Are Women and Children". So it turns out that the narrative that Afghan men are fleeing while women and children are being "left behind" is completely wrong.This doesn't prove my interlocutor's point at all, revente. He stated "falsely claiming refugee". His claim is that it is overwhelmingly men who are falsely claiming refugee status when they shouldn't be. This information you linked doesn't prove anything like that at all. It just shows the demographic breakdown of asylum seekers in the EU. What you also linked doesn't disprove my point in my post, either. It does show that in 2015 more Afghan males than females sought asylum in the EU, but I wa… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/08/21 01:03 PM |
| 7 | "80% of Afghan Refugees Fleeing Taliban Are Women and Children". So it turns out that the narrative that Afghan men are fleeing while women and children are being "left behind" is completely wrong.That's a non-sequitur and also an unsupported piece of rhetoric. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/08/21 12:30 PM |
| 26 | "80% of Afghan Refugees Fleeing Taliban Are Women and Children". So it turns out that the narrative that Afghan men are fleeing while women and children are being "left behind" is completely wrong.Thanks for giving this useful info about a foreign country which many MRAs generally neglect. This, in particular, is appalling. I have literally sat down with hundreds of women whose husband's are getting exploited in sketchy foreign countries but they continue to work for their family at home (and a lot of these women have asked me for sex, which disgusts me). Imagine having a husband away from home working like a mule to send money home to you and also having the gall to proposition another m… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/08/21 11:19 AM |
| 101 | "80% of Afghan Refugees Fleeing Taliban Are Women and Children". So it turns out that the narrative that Afghan men are fleeing while women and children are being "left behind" is completely wrong.The SHEER hypocrisy and contradiction that has been exhibited in every part of the public response to this crisis is incredible. Afghan women need to be liberated from their restrictive traditional roles and Afghanistan's patriarchal treatment of women is unacceptable. Afghan men being the majority of those who leave the country is bad because it means they've failed to live up to their restrictive traditional role of provider and protector which they should be firmly held to. Women and children… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/08/21 11:04 AM |
| 64 | "80% of Afghan Refugees Fleeing Taliban Are Women and Children". So it turns out that the narrative that Afghan men are fleeing while women and children are being "left behind" is completely wrong.So this was brought to my attention by a friend. The UNHCR is particularly concerned the about the impact the conflict is having on women and girls, who make up 80% of those roughly 250,000 who had fled the country since the end of May. (Minor nitpick of this quote - the UN spokesperson in the video they linked said 80% of those fleeing were women and children, not women and girls specifically.) It's just so interesting how women and children making up 80% of those fleeing the country is being u… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/08/21 10:25 AM |
| 5 | How dare these boys and young men think that their lives might be worth preserving!r/feminism removed your comment. Go log out and see if you can see your comment. I certainly can't. Can't have someone challenging their narrative, can they. https://imgur.com/a/c56flMI | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/08/21 01:16 PM |
| 46 | Article: Where are the women fleeing Afghanistan?Oh, surprise. It turns out these men who basically everyone has been shitting on for "abandoning women and children" are actually trying to help bring their families over. I wonder how the public isn't completely ashamed of themselves for promoting this kind of unjust vilification of men who are actually in fact trying to fulfil their traditional duties towards their families. Article is still gynocentric as fuck, though. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/08/21 12:18 PM |
| 51 | If you could make society understand the full impact of one gender issue, what would it be?One. Male disposability/the empathy gap. This is the root of our entire lack of care surrounding men's issues, our willingness to hand-wave and justify everything that men might experience away, and our ability to believe that men are privileged and that women are oppressed despite all evidence to the contrary. And hardly anybody realises or is even willing to acknowledge that the empathy gap even exists, let alone how their own behaviour reinforces the idea that women matter more than men. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/08/21 10:37 AM |
| 5 | How dare these boys and young men think that their lives might be worth preserving!They are allowed to join the army in Eastern countries, yes. The conversation was about the topic of the west, is all. I definitely think our view of countries outside of the West is unbelievably myopic and focused on only what might hurt women. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/08/21 08:45 AM |
| 7 | How dare these boys and young men think that their lives might be worth preserving!Okay, if it was one of the most corrupt governments in the world that nobody believed in why would you expect citizens to even want to fight defending it? Why should they? Doesn't sound like something worth defending. You'd only really want to defend it if you truly thought the original government was better than the invading force. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/08/21 08:00 AM |
| 11 | How dare these boys and young men think that their lives might be worth preserving!That the draft hasn't been exercised recently isn't an argument I think holds up. The very fact that it can be brought up and enforced on men in the event that things go wrong at all justifies men having greater decision power. The idea that because the West hasn't had a need to institute conscription recently, that it will never in the future have to again, is not one I subscribe to. If men choose to opt out of military service and let the women serve in their stead in a time of need, regardles… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/08/21 07:54 AM |
| 14 | How dare these boys and young men think that their lives might be worth preserving!Yeah, I dispute that it's a significant contributor. There are many other reasons as to why a country might lose to an opposing force. Hitchens' Razor. An assertion made without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/08/21 07:36 AM |
| 21 | How dare these boys and young men think that their lives might be worth preserving!In Western countries, women are allowed to join the military, but they're by and large not forced to. When a draft is called, you can bet that it will be men being called up to war, and not women. No argument can be made in favour of women having equal decision making power (even though they are afforded it in Western countries). It's very interesting to me just how unbalanced the discourse on Afghanistan is. In Muslim countries, women are not burdened with the responsibility of providing for th… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/08/21 07:36 AM |
| 17 | How dare these boys and young men think that their lives might be worth preserving!I'll thank you for not putting words in my mouth. Are you suggesting the only reason why the Taliban is winning is that the people in Afghanistan aren't willing to die for their freedom? You made that initial claim, not me. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/08/21 07:22 AM |
| 28 | How dare these boys and young men think that their lives might be worth preserving!You can argue which set of adversities is more encumbering, but no one said life is fair. In that case then men should have decision-making power commensurate with their responsibilities. The same people who want to enforce these roles on men and boys want at the same time to erode any rights that men might have over women in these traditional societies due to the responsibilities which have traditionally been placed on men. That's clear hypocrisy. Women don't have to purchase any of their right… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/08/21 07:20 AM |
| 32 | How dare these boys and young men think that their lives might be worth preserving!Ah, yes. Because some Afghan men have acted in immoral ways it is then okay to tar all Afghan men with that brush. Forget that some of these men were victims as well. Your bigotry is showing. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/08/21 07:17 AM |
| 24 | How dare these boys and young men think that their lives might be worth preserving!If they were willing to die for their freedom, they wouldn't need foreigners to fight their battles. Ah, yes. Anybody who loses a war is just unwilling to die for their freedom. There are no other factors involved in winning wars than simply willingness to die fighting. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/08/21 07:15 AM |
| 37 | How dare these boys and young men think that their lives might be worth preserving!If they want freedom and sovereignty with must purchase it their own blood. Only men's blood, apparently. Women can simply just be beneficiaries of the blood spilled by their brothers, fathers and sons who fought to purchase them that freedom. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/08/21 07:14 AM |
| 21 | I usually don't post about other reddit drama, but the amount of open misandry in threads about Afghanistan is disturbingThe unbalanced nature of the discourse around Afghanistan is and has always been so stunning to me. The seeming lack of care of the public about men, and almost sole focus on women, is in my view really egregious. On the topic of Afghanistan, I found this interesting. https://www.commondreams.org/views/2010/07/31/cia-document-calls-using-afghan-women-messengers-humanize-war This is from a document called "CIA Red Cell Special Memorandum: Afghanistan: Sustaining West European Support for the NATO… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/08/21 05:03 PM |
| 4 | "Girls set to increase GCSE lead over boys – and we should ‘accept they are cleverer’" in the TelegraphThere are actually a whole lot of studies showing that men have a slight advantage in IQ and g (a measure of general intelligence). I was surprised to find so many. Perhaps I'll dig em up again and post about it sometime. Of course, that might get labeled as misogyny. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/08/21 10:03 AM |
| 7 | why are these male senators pro anti male discriminationActually, I did formulate an argument. Calling it a wall of angry text doesn't make it not an argument. None of your claims were supported whatsoever. You opinionated a lot but provided nothing to back it up. What a-man-called-earth and I were doing was pointing out that your claims (as well as the claims that other such people had made under this post) had no basis to them. We also provided evidence against many of these claims which you and other people made here. That's not bad faith. If you'… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 11/08/21 05:11 AM |
| 6 | why are these male senators pro anti male discriminationI'm usually arguing to change the silent majority's mind. I'm unsure if "educating" can work with some of these people. Like I'm unsure about how one would even come to some of these conclusions, like the idea which I criticised that Republicans oppose women being drafted because of some dislike of having women order them around and not because of concern for women. I know I've already talked about this, but the view is rendered incredibly ridiculous when you look at what Republicans are actuall… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 11/08/21 05:06 AM |
| 3 | why are these male senators pro anti male discriminationAsking a question you likely already know the answer to is a clear sign of dishonesty, OkLieThen. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 11/08/21 04:35 AM |
| 3 | why are these male senators pro anti male discriminationI did formulate an argument. Admitting you won't provide evidence to prove your claim isn't a good counter. And why would I waste my time trying to prove an argument that you yourself made and which I don't think has substance? "Ooh, mad and triggered" is also not an actual argument. That's focusing on tone and not content. Tone, as much as you would like it to, does not invalidate any points brought up. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 11/08/21 04:34 AM |
| 3 | why are these male senators pro anti male discriminationSure, you're the moderator, after all. I will just say that letting these claims stand, under my comment, no less, is just intensely frustrating to me. People should not be able to make claims like that and have them go unchallenged. And while I'm happy to see that there has been some pushback against these views, it also seems that a good portion (not all) of the subreddit also shares these views, which to be honest signals a serious issue with partisanship in this subreddit. It's indicative of… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 11/08/21 04:11 AM |
| 4 | why are these male senators pro anti male discriminationHi again, u/OkLieThen. The thread where you commented on my reply has been locked, so I will reply to your entire line of bullshit here. You really think republicans will say no to their sons being drafted? If you want to test it then if you are in the US encourage your reps to remove the draft instead and see who fights to keep it around. I never said that Republicans opposed the male only draft. I was disagreeing with the idea that Republicans oppose women being required to register because th… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 11/08/21 03:59 AM |
| 10 | why are these male senators pro anti male discriminationI feel like some people in the comments here have not talked to a single Republican and are making up their own strawman of mainstream Republican positions based on their own preconceptions. Like this comment that asserted that Republicans oppose the draft for women because "They don't want women in the military because they don't want women giving men orders. It has nothing to do with a concern for the worth of a woman's life." I have never seen this rationale offered up by a single Republican … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/08/21 10:53 AM |
| 3 | LWMA Lounge August 2021I'm not turned off MR for that reason, personally. I do think there's a place for the more laissez-faire approach at moderating that the main MR sub takes as well as the more moderated and civil front that this sub presents, and I don't really consider what the mods there are doing as endorsing any particular view or another. The mods at MensRights allow discussion regardless of whether or not they agree with it or think it'll be good for the sub's image (apart from the worst and most blatant vi… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/08/21 04:27 AM |
| 5 | LWMA Lounge August 2021I'm currently being stalked by a seriously insane feminist on Twitter who I blocked after an argument where he spewed inane troll nonsense at me for days. He is still screenshotting me to circumvent the block (which you can do on Twitter as long as you log out of your account) and posting his stupid substanceless troll responses like "LMAO" and "LMAO x10". This is not technically against Twitter's ToS, and thus he can get away with doing it - tweets are supposed to be public, after all, and scre… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/08/21 04:15 AM |
| 3 | What's the best way to be a good advocate online, without sounding like a 'pick me'?Haha I don't find my sources anywhere in particular. I get them all over the place. The reason why I have so much of it is because I'm extremely obsessive about finding sources, especially on the topic of history, which I find is almost criminally under-addressed in MRA circles. I am very willing to pore through a lot of crap to unearth these sources. I've gotten into a habit of doing it in my spare time. I have a whole bunch of research I've done which I haven't even put up. I should likely do … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/08/21 02:30 PM |
| 7 | What's the best way to be a good advocate online, without sounding like a 'pick me'?Reminds me of this. In the early 20th century male only juries seem to have treated women put on trial for murder with undue leniency. This was well known. Women wanted to be tried by all male juries. From a 1912 edition of the Sun: https://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/data/batches/nn_ehrlich_ver02/data/sn83030272/00206537188/1912090801/0521.pdf https://web.archive.org/web/20210808140043/https://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/data/batches/nn_ehrlich_ver02/data/sn83030272/00206537188/1912090801/0521.pd… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/08/21 03:33 AM |
| 7 | Here’s a meme I made almost two years ago, which I was reminded of tonight - I’ll explain more in the comments.This line of thinking that encourages gender-based paranoia in women is super common, even nowadays, despite the fact that it goes contrary to female empowerment. While it's the opposite of empowering, fostering irrational, outsized fear in women and pretending to come in to "save" them from the boogeymen that they themselves made up is too much of a moneymaker for feminist charlatans to ever give up. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 07/08/21 01:15 PM |
| 34 | Getting messages like this is why I continue to do what I do. We're not evil for feeling hurt.I've got similar messages before. While most are not as elaborate or detailed, they're what has pushed me to keep doing this and continue commenting and making posts. I've seriously thought of giving up before because of how tiring the whole thing is, but once you become "red pilled" so to speak you can't tear yourself away from it. It's appalling to me how ignored and even ridiculed men's issues are, and how acceptable it is to spread false, demonising and hateful narratives about men in this c… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/08/21 11:45 AM |
| 3 | Save your commentsI've requested the data for my own comment history via the link you posted. Since it says it might take days I've also just manually archived all of the posts and comments that I've made which form the basis of my thesis (This took so long, I need to get into a general habit of archiving my shit). If they target us, not everything I've written is lost. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/08/21 04:47 AM |
| 24 | Why do some of you choose the label "anti-feminist" instead of "anti-hate" or others?The former definition is straightforward and agreeable - men have certainly benefited over women at many points in history. I don't think the former definition is agreeable at all. This idea has not been to date substantiated whatsoever. This viewpoint of the past is based on considering only the disadvantages that women and girls face, and the advantages that men and boys were granted. Such an analysis is often blind to the duties, responsibilities and burdens that men and boys had during that … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 05/08/21 07:04 AM |
| 37 | Why do some of you choose the label "anti-feminist" instead of "anti-hate" or others?The basis of feminism is fundamentally flawed. The fluffy-bunny movement that feminists would have you think they are is nothing other than good PR and does not represent what they actually think or do. Patriarchy theory - the foundational idea which their entire belief system and all their activism is based around - represents a false and distorted view of human behaviour, and no activism based on such a worldview can be helpful on the whole. No matter how much feminists attempt to avoid the lo… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 05/08/21 05:01 AM |
| 3 | Women and The Vote (UK)Good, let's assume for a moment that my interpretation was correct, then... My argument is that even if the directionality runs in the way you've claimed, women did not want voting rights thrust upon them, and one of the reasons was because they believed it would impose upon them responsibilities that they did not want, and they would lose immunities which were important to them. That does not represent oppression of women. It represents women being given exactly what they wanted. An anti-suffra… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/08/21 10:51 AM |
| 3 | Women and The Vote (UK)One more thing, could you provide a source for the statement? The source is the PDF which I already provided you. As I have already demonstrated, this source is not an unreliable one. "Susan B. Anthony opposed letting women in Washington State vote on the suffrage question in 1871, claiming that women’s “condition of servitude” made them unable to see the issue clearly.18 That referendum would have been a huge defeat for the suffragists: Sarah Josepha Hale, the editor of Godey’s Ladies Book and … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/08/21 10:33 AM |
| 4 | Women and The Vote (UK)Wikipedia article on Suffragettes (I can't guarantee the source) says: "In the early 20th century until the outbreak of World War I, approximately one thousand suffragettes were imprisoned in Britain." Some even died in hunger strikes.Clearly, many women did not consent to the system men imposed on them. The suffragettes were only a minority of women. Here is an excerpt from a 1910 parliamentary debate in Britain: "Still, for what it is worth, one finds that from 1890–1906 only 193,000 women sig… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/07/21 11:12 PM |
| 3 | Women and The Vote (UK)Someone replied to this comment but I can’t find their comment to answer back so I’ll just place this here so they can read it. That's my comment. I accidentally sent it and deleted it because it was not finished. But grii2 made a good point—its not fair that women get to vote but don’t have to serve in the military...but those keeping them out and forcing men in were men. It’s a giant loop and being bitter at women for that (aside from the infamous white feather nastiness) doesn’t make sense. T… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/07/21 08:40 PM |
| 5 | Women and The Vote (UK)The court ruled that compelled military service was ok because you have voting right, not that in order to get voting right you must serve in the military. Those are two very different things. Firstly, you need to prove that your interpretation of the ruling is more valid than any other interpretation. But even if I take your reading of it as gospel it implies that by getting citizenship rights, you can be and should be made to serve if and when the government needs you. That is, the two still g… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/07/21 04:33 PM |
| 3 | Women and The Vote (UK)The idea that political franchise is not related to military service is a incredibly recent idea. As late as the early 20th century, the Supreme Court of the United States ruled that compelled military service was constitutional on the basis that it was a reciprocal obligation on the part of the citizen to the state. https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/245/366/ "Compelled military service is neither repugnant to a free government nor in conflict with the constitutional guaranties of indi… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/07/21 08:22 PM |
| 9 | Feelings of gender dysphoria without being trans: at what point does self-loathing become a gender issue? And at what point can we acknowledge that widespread feminist based shaming of men and masculinity is harmful to men's mental health?Very common also were already those factoids about women being more mature and all those lies that female teachers taught us. Girls at school already had some sense of entitlement thanks to those factoids. Absolutely. The unfair "guys are dumb buffoons" stereotype has been around for an incredibly long time. I encountered it regularly (and struggled with it) when I was growing up. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/07/21 05:18 AM |
| 5 | Rape, and the male experienceHoly shit. OP, I am so sorry. The kicker is how she admits she's done it before, hasn't learned from it and still doesn't understand that she's done something unbelievably fucked up. Her issue was about her losing control and not the fact that she straight up sexually assaulted you. I think a lot of people have a view that a man's boundaries don't matter, and if they are violated that it is inconsequential. I think that almost every man has a subconscious understanding that this is the case as w… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/07/21 07:34 AM |
| 6 | Feminists claim to help men too- when have you last heard a feminist talk about circumcision or any male issue?It's less known that Pizzey also tried to start services for men but no one would donate. Even the people who previously gave money to her for her women's shelter wouldn't donate. Erin: Yeah! And that’s why I tried to open a house for men almost immediately after I opened the refuge for women and my problem was—and this was a great shock to me—I was given a house at a Peppercorn Rent by the Council; and then I asked men who had actually given money for my refuge for women and children (they were… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 20/07/21 02:23 PM |
| 20 | The myth that the United States didn't outlaw violence against women until the 1970s, and why that myth gets published in seemingly credible academic sourcesThere's also a perception that DV against women was tolerated in other countries with a history of English common law. I've done my own research looking at newspaper archives from England and Wales (which at the time already shared a legal system with England) and found many instances of DV against women being dealt with harshly. Wife-beaters were detested and were often targeted by members of the community in the past. This newspaper details a case in 1867 where a group of men saw a husband bea… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/07/21 05:11 PM |
| 13 | 2017 Pew Research Study on Gender in AmericaNothing surprising here. All this tells us is that there is a skew towards believing that men are privileged compared to women and that women are more likely to perceive that they're discriminated against than men. I'm certain the latter results are influenced by a few factors such as 1. women's greater neuroticism and 2. we are all exposed to a (false and malicious) self-perpetuating cultural narrative stating that women are discriminated against because of their sex whereas men are not thus ca… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/07/21 06:27 AM |
| 2 | 'Male Idiot Theory'I always find it confusing when people mix up someone making an "is" argument with an "ought" argument. I don't think people have a good grasp on the distinction between the two. At no point during the conversation did you say this evolutionary baggage was moral or just, and in fact said it was not moral and should actively be counteracted. But simply because you said these roles to some extent originate from our evolved instincts, people assume you're justifying their existence. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/07/21 06:18 AM |
| 5 | Debunking historical misconceptions used to demonize men: Salem Witch TrialsHistorians base their ideas on evidence and research. Okay. In that case, I would like to see your proof of, say, Puritan women being beaten every day, for one. Since you, as a claimed historian, base your ideas on evidence and research and all. That would be a start. It's all there clear as day and you really don't have to be an expert to understand it so go on and Google that and you'll see for yourself that I am not exaggerating. You seriously cannot go and do this "Educate yourself" thing. S… | /r/MensRights | 15/07/21 03:03 PM |
| 5 | Never A Fight of Woman Against Man: What Textbooks Don’t Say about Women’s SuffrageThen consider how politics was in the 19th century. The article linked in the post touches on this a bit, but I think it's a point which merits further consideration. Political parties and candidates would routinely hire thugs to kidnap voters off the street and force them to vote, often several times over, for said political candidate. They were isolated, plied with alcohol or drugs to get them to comply and could face beatings. That was called "cooping" and they were not fringe, uncommon cases… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/07/21 08:43 PM |
| 9 | Debunking historical misconceptions used to demonize men: Salem Witch TrialsAlso, imagine a supposed "professional historian" making such extreme, unqualified, and frankly unrealistic assertions about an entire society such as "Puritan women were being beaten on a daily basis". It's hard to see how they could've possibly established this with any level of certainty from the (by nature) sparse historical documentation, which tends to get sparser the further you go back. I also don't trust anybody whose only basis for their argument is the credentials they've claimed they… | /r/MensRights | 14/07/21 11:19 AM |
| 4 | The Prim Reaper recently debated Rose WristIt's also pertinent to note that not only were there a cohort of much more extreme leftists here who would try and browbeat anyone who was slightly less left than they were into submission, in the early days LWMA was kind of constantly brigaded by insufferable Menslib-type feminists trying to make this subreddit into a feminist men's space, simply because they thought "left-wing" meant people here would be more receptive to their propaganda. I suppose they felt as if they could try and slowly dr… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 12/07/21 02:10 PM |
| 3 | The Prim Reaper recently debated Rose WristI haven't been particularly motivated to dig through much of Prim's content for that exact reason. She's extremely moderate in her criticism of feminism and woke ideology in general and while I like her, I don't think she breaks much new ground. She doesn't usually challenge core feminist ideas such as patriarchy/historical oppression of women/etc much (If anyone here has any videos where Prim does that, link them, I'd like to watch them). I tend to gravitate towards people who offer more hetero… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 11/07/21 05:25 PM |
| 16 | Vaush recently debated a Men's Rights ActivistYeah, I don't think we watched the same debate. Either that, or we have a very different definition of what "destroyed" is. Karen provided reasoning and arguments the whole way through. He continued interrupting her and prevented her from stating her entire case every single time he didn't like what she said. He did that fairly early on, too - when she was addressing his points about circumcision and FGM. The audience can and will notice that. And what was she supposed to do when he started inte… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/07/21 03:18 AM |
| 17 | Vaush recently debated a Men's Rights Activisthas there ever been a debate where an MRA won? I'm not talking about a consevative 'owning' a college student but an actual debate. Karen Straughan vs Cenk Uygur. Nuff said. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/07/21 02:19 AM |
| 6 | Some sources on sexual abuse of men and boys, part 1-5If anyone wants to read the full text of these articles, just use sci-hub. Paste the link of the study here any of these websites and you can get the full text. It's how I'm accessing them. https://sci-hub.se/ https://sci-hub.do/ https://sci-hub.st/ | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/07/21 03:49 AM |
| 5 | Some sources on sexual abuse of men and boys, part 1-5Discrimination in favour of female sex offenders Decisions and attitudes concerning child sexual abuse: does the gender of the perpetrator make a difference to child protection professionals? Here is a 1994 research paper. An investigation was conducted into whether child protection investigators, specifically social workers and the police, are as likely to take seriously a case of child sexual abuse if it had been perpetrated by a female rather than a male. What they found was that "social serv… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/07/21 03:44 AM |
| 5 | Some sources on sexual abuse of men and boys, part 1-5Discrimination against male victims of sexual assault. Differences in Legal Outcomes for Male and Female Children Who Have Been Sexually Abused "The goal of the present study was to determine whether or not there were sex differences in legal outcomes for children who were sexually abused. Using the methodology of Joa and Edelson (2004), the results indicated that males who were sexually abused had poorer legal outcomes than females. Specifically, it was found that cases involving male victims w… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/07/21 03:44 AM |
| 6 | Some sources on sexual abuse of men and boys, part 1-5Studies comparing the physical effects of sexual assault on male and female victims Effects of Sexual Assaults on Men: Physical, Mental and Sexual Consequences "Most research suggests that the sexual assault of men is more likely to be violent, and accompanied by more and greater corollary injuries, than sexual assaults of women (however, also see Kimerling, Rellini, Kelly, Judson, & Learman, 2002; and McLean et al., 2005). Here it is important to acknowledge that not all sexual assaults are vio… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/07/21 03:44 AM |
| 6 | Some sources on sexual abuse of men and boys, part 1-5Men are less likely to view to acknowledge their experiences of sexual assault and are less likely to report it, which likely affects data and statistics on the topic. Gender Differences in the Context and Consequences of Child Sexual Abuse (again). "Widom and Morris (1997) found men were much more reluctant to label child sexual experiences as ‘abuse’ than women (16% compared with 64%). Fondacaro, Holt and Powell’s (1999) study of male prison inmates also found that 41% of those who met the cri… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/07/21 03:42 AM |
| 5 | Some sources on sexual abuse of men and boys, part 1-5The majority of men who rape women are sexually abused by women in childhood Heterosexual Molestation of Children Who Later Became Rapists This is a report of a serendipitous finding from another study of childhood heterosexual molestation of men who were incarcerated as adults for rape. Subjects were 83 men in a medium security penitentiary who had been convicted of raping women at least 17 years of age. They found that forty-nine (59%) of the rapists had been heterosexually molested. The Male … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/07/21 03:41 AM |
| 7 | Some sources on sexual abuse of men and boys, part 1-5Studies demonstrating shockingly high rates of sexual abuse of males 13,915 reasons for equity in sexual offences legislation: A national school-based survey in South Africa "Occurrence of male child rape [in South Africa:] Weighted by province and urban/rural areas, 9% (based on 13915/127097) reported forced sex without consent in the last year. In answer to a separate question, 44% of 18 year-olds said they had "ever" been forced to have sex (weighted value of 5385/11450)." "In response to the… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/07/21 03:41 AM |
| 8 | Some sources on sexual abuse of men and boys, part 1-5Additional studies: High rates of female perpetration Women's Sexual Aggression Against Men: Prevalence and Predictors "In this study, we investigated the prevalence of women's sexual aggression against men and examined predictors of sexual aggression in a sample of 248 women. Respondents reported their use of aggressive strategies (physical force, exploitation of a man's incapacitated state, and verbal pressure) to make a man engage in sexual touch, sexual intercourse, or oral sex against his w… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/07/21 03:40 AM |
| 14 | "Women who hate men are justified"Not only that, it's unhealthy and damaging to the person. Even assuming that I was victimised by a person and deeply hated and feared the entire demographic that person belonged to because of that, anybody who even slightly cared about me would not, and should not, say "It's okay to do that, you're justified". It's an incredibly damaging attitude to have, and affirming it is the opposite of what anybody should do. By trying to say they're justified, all these people do is make them comfortable i… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/06/21 12:32 AM |
| 5 | Loving and leaving: Sex differences in romantic attachmentsI think this is a very accurate take on things. When I was young my sister used to push me to read all kinds of books which she read (most of which had a majority female reader base) and I remember thinking "This all sounds incredibly narcissistic”. I notice that there are a lot of love triangles in books which cater to a predominantly female reader base. The love triangle almost always involves the main character being aggressively fought over by two guys for her attention. The male characters … | /r/MalePsychology | 24/06/21 05:01 AM |
| 8 | On the topic of Amy Schumer:According even to some commenters in this thread, as long as you're trying to perform sexual acts in any way at all, you 100% know what you're doing. Even if this is the situation in question: "He started to go down on me. That’s ambitious, I think. Is it still considered getting head if the guy falls asleep every three seconds and moves his tongue like an elderly person eating their last oatmeal?" Wow, these sexual acts are so impressive and complex, he totally knows EVERYTHING about the the "w… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/06/21 10:50 PM |
| 10 | On the topic of Amy Schumer:That is probably true. Her account of it is framed in such a manner to make her look as sympathetic as possible, and she still comes off looking like a piece of shit. I would bet you dollars to donuts Schumer participated far more in the sexual acts than she let on in that speech, before and/or after Matt passed out. She described only what Matt was doing because only his failed attempts at intercourse have relevance to the narrative she's trying to construct "OMG, the sex was so bad, it was so … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/06/21 06:47 AM |
| 4 | On the topic of Amy Schumer:I was already initially of the opinion that what Schumer did was wrong, and my thoughts have not changed on that. Whether it could be defined as rape or not was more of a discussion of semantics, in my mind. But after reading the ideas of users here, I'm leaning heavily towards yeah, it was rape. So yes, I do agree with the perspectives of the users here. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/06/21 05:56 AM |
| 7 | On the topic of Amy Schumer:Interestingly enough, David Futrelle wrote a whole bit trying to defend Amy Schumer, stating that all she did was lie there while the utterly inebriated Matt tried to penetrate her. https://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/05/07/no-amy-schumer-did-not-give-a-speech-celebrating-how-she-raped-a-guy/ "At no point in Schumer’s story does she describe herself as initiating anything. Indeed, she spends much of the time thinking to herself how much she wants to leave." "If a woman initiates sex with a man w… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/06/21 05:52 AM |
| 5 | On the topic of Amy Schumer:As I said in my other post, I've read too many perspectives on this situation and was almost certainly too cautious with my language (a result of overthinking and self-doubt regarding my initial perceptions of the situation). That is the reason why I made this post in the first place, and the overwhelming perception seems to be that what Schumer did 1: was wrong, and 2: was rape. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/06/21 05:37 AM |
| 16 | On the topic of Amy Schumer:Sure, yeah I might have been too cautious with my language. I'll admit, after reading all too many perspectives on Schumer's act I'm kind of overthinking, honestly. Terms aside, Schumer is a pretty bad person. I do think you and u/DialecticSkeptic are correct about the double standards and it's interesting how many female celebrities can get away with this kind of shit. Look at Dunham, for example. "One day, as I sat in our driveway in Long Island playing with blocks and buckets, my curiosity go… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/06/21 05:26 AM |
| 17 | On the topic of Amy Schumer:That is a very clear cut case of harassment. Wow, Schumer is an even shittier person than I thought. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/06/21 12:07 AM |
| 15 | OxFam US pulls a Gillette for Father's DayThis... Fucking... I have no words. I don't even have a smart-ass comment in response. This is some of the most evil gaslighting I've ever seen. Fuck you, Oxfam. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/06/21 09:57 PM |
| 3 | Rape laws are bad. I give uphttps://www.indiacode.nic.in/bitstream/123456789/4219/1/THE-INDIAN-PENAL-CODE-1860.pdf Here's the Indian penal code with the related laws, u/griii2. My favourite bit is when Indian feminists complain that marital rape is not considered rape in India, and use that to justify their ideas of oppression of women when ANY woman can rape ANY man in India and not be charged with rape. In fact none of the laws relating to sexual offences criminalise a woman raping a man. The sheer myopia required to tur… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/06/21 07:35 PM |
| 17 | After the 2010 Haiti earthquake, the U.N set up women-only food lines. Men were left to starve.Isn't this symbolic of men's plight in general? Women are protected and provided for all the time and men have to save themselves no matter what. Then when they turn more aggressive and criminal, it's: 'You see? Toxic masculinity, patriarchal violence, men are beasts!' Exactly. And then feminists and wokesters use that as justification to dehumanise and disadvantage men even more under the guise of trying to "correct for" men's bad behaviour (and they always have to extrapolate from the behaviou… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/06/21 10:41 AM |
| 2 | Following a petition, Winchester University cancelled a talk with two men's rights activists in 2019. Here is the text of one of the talks (by William Collins) that were planned. It covers education, suffrage and coverture. It's disappointing that such views can't be expressed in such a forum.I read your criticism and yeah, the conclusions you reached are fairly similar. I'd say it isn't hard to poke holes in the paper given how pervasive and glaring the issues with it are. I've been looking to compile a post with all my responses debunking bad feminist "scholarship" but I've been procrastinating really heavily on that. The state of much gender research is honestly just disgraceful. | /r/MensRights | 13/06/21 07:58 PM |
| 5 | Loving and leaving: Sex differences in romantic attachmentsThe paper's conclusion: We proposed a two-part generalization about sex differences in love: (1) Men tend to fall in love more readily than women; and (2) women tend to fall out of love more readily than men. We then presented data from a longitudinal study of 231 student dating couples in support of these propositions. The data suggest that women were less "romantic" than men, more cautious about entering into romantic relationships, more sensitive to the problems of their relationships, more l… | /r/MalePsychology | 13/06/21 01:13 PM |
| 4 | Feminism vs FeminismAnd Camille Paglia. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 12/06/21 09:09 PM |
| 5 | Do drunk women have agency?There is a big difference between drunk, buzzed and less inhibited; and drunk, stumbling, passing out black out, slurring words etc. Trying to pursue a hook up in the second state is wrong, especially if one person is far more sober. coughAmySchumercough | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 11/06/21 09:32 PM |
| 3 | "self examination", "introspection" and why feminist approaches to men's issues don't work.Yep, I've looked at r/FeMRADebates before. Seems... alright, but from what I've seen and heard the main mod there - tbri - is a pretty staunch feminist who seems to make very biased modding decisions. Also, I think having to deal with that POS bad faith actor Mitoza for even two seconds would drive me up the wall so badly I think I might have a stroke. This is how every conversation with that user goes. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 11/06/21 08:41 PM |
| 3 | "self examination", "introspection" and why feminist approaches to men's issues don't work.This is why I'm not going to r/FeminismUncensored. Debating with feminists is fun up until you realise that there is nothing you can ever say or do which will get them to drop any of the fundamental tenets of their ideology. They'll engage in the most dishonest rhetorical backflipping in order to maintain belief in their ideology, and they'll do it endlessly. Counter one, they come up with another rationalisation. Counter that, they come up with yet another. At this point, I've come to believe t… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 11/06/21 07:27 PM |
| 5 | This is why we can't get people to understand what we are about. Journalist calls "Men’s-Rights Activism Is a Gateway Drug for the Alt-Right"I was going to click into the article and read it until I saw it was written by Futrelle. Then I decided otherwise. That disingenuous little shitbag is getting none of my energy or attention. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/06/21 12:29 PM |
| 8 | Amnesty International now too infected with and pushing toxic feminismNo, not simply unproven. Proven false. Also, the claim that the legal system is biased against rape victims and is built to let rapists go free is just a completely unsupported claim. For example, Kanin's studies (which FinallyReborn linked), while all having small sample sizes, uses a really, really stringent definition of a "false claim" and therefore there is absolutely no room to do any nit-picking over "Maybe the police prematurely declared cases false" or "Maybe forensics fucked up". No. A… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/06/21 07:52 AM |
| 7 | Amnesty International now too infected with and pushing toxic feminism"Most orgs are like that" is not justification. The second that any amount of an organisation's activism becomes specific to women for a non-gendered issue or an issue that actually affects men more than women (violence), and if said organisation does not have any equivalent for men, that organisation is a discriminatory organisation. I can't blame anyone for not wanting to give any money to an organisation which discriminates based on sex, no matter how valiant all of the other organisation's e… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/06/21 07:50 AM |
| 21 | Amnesty International now too infected with and pushing toxic feminismThis was reported as misinformation. Feminists feeling threatened by the stuff we say and do here is just so validating to me. As a general rule the more they try to shut you down, the more you know you're doing something right. Downvotes. Aww, you irritated? More downvotes. This stuff feeds my soul. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/06/21 06:18 PM |
| 6 | Following a petition, Winchester University cancelled a talk with two men's rights activists in 2019. Here is the text of one of the talks (by William Collins) that were planned. It covers education, suffrage and coverture. It's disappointing that such views can't be expressed in such a forum.Another great example of feminist academic corruption is the study which supposedly "debunks" chivalry in maritime disasters. Since in the majority of the wrecks a lower percentage of women survived than men, they conclude that male gallantry in maritime disasters was a myth. I remember you addressing that study here. https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/eh3smn/a_study_on_maritime_disasters_and_wc_first_what/fcgnhwm/?context=3 It's a genuinely awful study of a tiny sample of EIGHTEEN fuc… | /r/MensRights | 08/06/21 06:03 PM |
| 3 | Growing Number Of Male Survivors Talk About Being A Sex Trade VictimHere are more articles on the topic of sex trafficking and commercial sexual exploitation of boys which you might like to use. https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/nation-now/2018/02/08/boys-silent-victims-sex-trafficking/1073799001/ https://web.archive.org/web/20131215013143/https://www.ecpatusa.org/wp/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/AndBoysToo_FINAL_single-pages.pdf | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/06/21 01:51 PM |
| 17 | Do you consider yourself to have more left wing or right wing values?I'm right-leaning, so checked that option off. Unsurprised to see a lot more people checked the "left-wing" option (at the time I'm looking at the poll). | /r/MensRights | 05/06/21 04:41 PM |
| 11 | Do you consider yourself to have more left wing or right wing values?I think there's been some misunderstanding. u/DavidByron2 is a communist. He's not using it as a pejorative against you, it is literally a description of his political leanings. | /r/MensRights | 05/06/21 04:41 PM |
| 11 | Man asked if he was delusion when reporting a rape.And these sexist pigs in uniform wonder why men and boys are so reluctant to report sexual assault, rape and domestic violence crimes to Australian police? The other day I was looking at this guide called the Family Violence Bench Book for judicial officers in the state of Victoria, and there's this section on how to respond to men who "claim" to be victims of intimate partner violence. The gendered paradigm is still alive and kicking. https://www.judicialcollege.vic.edu.au/eManuals/FVBBWeb/inde… | /r/MensRights | 05/06/21 04:49 AM |
| 8 | Man asked if he was delusion when reporting a rape.Yep, this kind of thing is really bad, especially because the outcomes this bias against men results in gets used to justify more bias against men. Bias against men causes officers to dismiss male victims -> men don't report their victimisation due to widespread dismissal -> official statistics show only a few percent of reported sex crime victims being male -> these statistics get used to justify more biased attitudes which treat men as only perpetrators and never victims of sex crimes. It's a … | /r/MensRights | 05/06/21 04:24 AM |
| 4 | Female celebrities always get away with sexual misconductThe person who you responded to deleted their comments. Typical. On a related note I was just in an argument with a feminist on Twitter two hours ago where she blocked me and deleted nearly all of the replies she had posted in the thread. That being said, my Twitter account features are now limited for 12 hours because I called her a cunt (and was presumably reported to Twitter for it), but watching her delete her asinine comments one by one was still satisfying to say the least. | /r/MensRights | 04/06/21 08:18 PM |
| 12 | What's the difference between TERFs and mainstream feminists? TERFs dare to treat transwomen how (too many) mainstream feminists treat men.Your interlocutor's behaviour is just so typical. Feminists always come in here saying they want to discuss men's issues up until people start doing so in a way that contradicts their ideology and/or paints their sacred cow in a bad light. Then they get all offended and try to police everybody, and when that doesn't work they leave. Their purpose for being here is not to learn, but to try and restrict discussion to only the things they want to hear. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/06/21 04:52 AM |
| 38 | Ahhhhhh....so NOW generalizing is bad! Got it!I mean, I'm unsure if you're aware of Gillette's infamous trainwreck of an ad "We Believe: The Best a Man Can Be" which stigmatises men and boys, but here it is. Feminist Kim Gehrig was behind this ad. And here are very feminist-inspired government ads which were plastered all over Australia (I know because I live there) pretty explicitly painting men and even boys' behaviour as "the problem" - evil oppressors who need to be reined in and taught to not be abusers, and who we're not hard enough o… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/06/21 03:03 PM |
| 62 | Ahhhhhh....so NOW generalizing is bad! Got it!"I believe men are emotionally mature and compassionate enough to treat all women with respect" Also feminists: "Teach men not to rape! Violence against women: Let's stop it from the start!" releases ads showing young boys as potential future abusers and batterers and rapists Yeah, sure thing. You people sure have lots of belief in the humanity of men. The very fact you think men need to be taught this shit shows your statements as the bullshit, lip-service platitudes that they are. I'll believe… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/06/21 01:13 PM |
| 5 | LWMA Lounge June 2021Sorry to hear about the chronic pain. Chronic conditions are a pain in the ass and it can be really difficult to deal with the despair and depression and feelings of helplessness that come with having a debilitating, painful health issue that you just can't get rid of. Even the few moments of comfort you get - when your condition isn't flaring up - feel bad, because you know it will come back. In my experience the people who are around you aren't always sympathetic, either. In my case my conditi… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/06/21 07:41 AM |
| 6 | LWMA Lounge June 2021I feel good. This is probably more information than anyone needs to know about me but over the past months I've been slowly managing to improve my health and claw my life back from a debilitating, ugly and painful chronic illness which threw my quality of life into the shitter for years and seriously impacted my ability to function, so I really can't be too unhappy. I won't go into details about the condition itself but it's been a pretty painful journey. Even when my condition was at its worst … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 01/06/21 12:42 PM |
| 29 | Male privilege theory is, ironically, the result of privilege.I see your post is getting brigaded by tons of shithead feminists who are trying to perform apologetics for their shit ideology. Sorry about that - I've had this happen to me before. It's the least fun thing to have happen. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 01/06/21 06:54 AM |
| 11 | Male privilege theory is, ironically, the result of privilege.most of what’s left open seems to be whether something is “unwelcome,” would you agree with that? I think a lot of what's left open is outside of the realm of whether something is "unwelcome". For example, there are a lot of value judgements used in the wording of the items: "Someone purposely touching you or brushing up against you in an unwelcome, sexual way" Even if someone brushed up against a man in a sexual way, he might not interpret it as such due to cultural stereotypes and also less ne… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 01/06/21 05:35 AM |
| 9 | Male privilege theory is, ironically, the result of privilege.Even looking into the body of your study I already see this right here: This survey is focused on people's experiences with sexual harassment and/or abuse, which includes all forms of unwanted sexual, homophobic, transphobic and/or sexist experiences across all areas of their lives. So firstly, women might be more likely to remember an event as "unwanted" because of their perceptions of said event. And look at graph 2 and some of the items which are labeled as "sexual harassment". "Someone purpo… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 01/06/21 05:08 AM |
| 8 | Male privilege theory is, ironically, the result of privilege.Of course women perceive more things as sexual harassment when 1: they're higher in neuroticism and risk-aversion then men are and thus perceive a greater variety of actions as "harassment" then men do and 2: they're raised in a culture that tells them that every unwanted sexual advance from men is "harassment", whereas men are not taught the same thing about unwanted sexual advances from women. I have a feeling that a good proportion of the supposed "statistical gap" is really just a gap in rep… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 01/06/21 04:35 AM |
| 11 | Male privilege theory is, ironically, the result of privilege.I definitely wouldn't call it oppression, but I seriously do think telling a group of people who are already more predisposed to be neurotic and paranoid that they're justified to feel utterly unsafe everywhere they go and that they have a unique risk of victimisation, when they don't, is really, really unhealthy. We don't tell people who are irrationally scared of spiders that every spider they come across will bite them and kill them painfully with poison and that they are justified to be so d… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 01/06/21 04:27 AM |
| 11 | Male privilege theory is, ironically, the result of privilege.So you are no longer saying women are sexually harassed but that they are worried about it while in no actual danger? You're claiming that being paranoid is "oppression"? In reality the ability to complain about stuff you were never in a real threat of is a sign of titanic privilege. You can see this in the way many women complain about how afraid they are on the street despite women being the minority of victims of murder, severe assaults, etc. Their perception that they are more at risk than m… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 01/06/21 04:13 AM |
| 3 | Anybody know what percentage of child sex offenders are women/men?Before someone comes in screaming that you're wrong, here's information showing that you aren't. https://malesurvivorbop.nz/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/StempleFloresMeyer2016femaleperpetators.pdf Not only is female-perpetrated sexual abuse less likely to be reported to police than male-perpetrated sexual abuse (Allen, 1991), when it is reported, law enforcement officers believe intervention to be less warranted than if the perpetrator is male (Hetherton & Beardsall, 1998). Even when a report is s… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 31/05/21 03:07 AM |
| 2 | This frame of mind that when a couple fights, the guy has to sleep on the couch or leave the house and stay at a hotel is extremely sexist.Also, apart from the deficiencies in their ideas about "power", feminist ideology, especially its most mainstream incarnation, is a completely illogical worldview that makes zero sense. Feminist ideas about gender and society in general contain a lot of doublethink. As someone on Reddit said, their ideas about the patriarchy basically requires one to think that men have an inherent ability and willingness to oppress women which led them to create and enforce gender roles to do it and women do no… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/05/21 01:31 PM |
| 2 | what percentage of child sex offenders are women/men?Here is what u/Oncefa2 is referring to with this quote. Another study showed that men and boys often report that their attacker was a man, even if it was a woman, in order to get better access to victim's services since female-on-male assault isn't taken as seriously as male-on-male assault. Sexual Victimization Perpetrated by Women: Federal Data Reveal Surprising Prevalence. p. 6. "First, the widespread perception of women as nonthreatening complicates the way abuse is confronted by victims who… | /r/MensRights | 28/05/21 02:34 AM |
| 6 | Caning is used as a punishment for both criminals and students in Singapore, but only males are caned, including school boys.You underestimate what terrible people most feminists are. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/05/21 12:10 AM |
| 4 | Exhausted, againYou're probably right. I can't, and probably shouldn't, keep tackling the claims of every idiot I see on social media. I go hiking a lot (I have some incredible natural areas near where I live), but my brain is such that I find it really difficult to ignore these attitudes and to not think about them regardless of what I'm doing. It just makes me so mad. These are exactly the types of attitudes which discourage male victims from reporting. The denial and the minimisation and the pushback. The id… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/05/21 12:20 PM |
| 3 | The SBA lied- white male restaurant owners never had a chance at Biden's restaurant relief bill.Don't be ashamed. I thought you were positively angelic under the circumstances. She was a fucking dipshit. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/05/21 10:50 AM |
| 3 | The SBA lied- white male restaurant owners never had a chance at Biden's restaurant relief bill.She is a feminist, though. She's using the religious argument to bolster her feminist beliefs. I'd recommend going through the thread. She's doing all of these mental gymnastics to support her idea of "patriarchy" in the face of all evidence against it. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/05/21 06:03 AM |
| 6 | The SBA lied- white male restaurant owners never had a chance at Biden's restaurant relief bill.Oh, I read the thread when it was happening. Here's the thread that u/LettuceBeGrateful is talking about. It's utterly mind-boggling. She also tries to argue that FGM is "female privilege" in order to try and maintain consistency. https://np.reddit.com/r/Intactivism/comments/njbzhq/a_feminist_showcases_how_selfish_she_is_when_it/gzg1v9w?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3 She literally acknowledges that genital mutilation is something mostly or solely inflicted on males in many societies… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/05/21 05:37 AM |
| 3 | LWMA LoungeIt's hard to know where to even start. So this is a rant. I've been on Twitter arguing with people for days now in several different discussions. In one particularly annoying exchange, a bunch of Indian and/or Pakistani feminists who were very vocal about their hatred of men tried to dogpile me by mass quote tweeting me for days and asking all of their feminist followers to try and pile on (and they did). In some cases, they decided to type in Hindi in order to hide what they were saying from me… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/05/21 02:20 PM |
| 4 | Feminist rhetorical tactics.It's really nice to see you back here. I agree, discussing gender issues can be exhausting (and at the same time, oddly absorbing) and I don't blame anyone for wanting to take a break from it. I've similarly been working on a rebuttal of claims that "feminism is just about equality". This is one I wrote recently. It also tackles how to rebut them when someone brings up the "feminism is about equality, the dictionary definition said so" argument. It's always very irritating when these tactics of … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/05/21 03:19 AM |
| 6 | Need Information, Part 4Uh, I have more information on things like domestic violence, executions, discriminatory laws etc but I've already spammed this post like shit and I think I'll be going now. If you do want more information, just tell me and I'll post more here. I've been collecting information for a long time on a variety of topics. Also, if anyone can't access the articles I'm posting, I recommend using sci-hub.se to access them. I'll just leave this article here as a last word. https://ncfm.org/2011/10/news/co… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 20/05/21 02:28 AM |
| 6 | Need Information, Part 4We all know about female genital mutilation and what a wrong it is, but male genital mutilation is also widespread in third world countries and people hardly bat an eye. People compare the worst forms of FGM to the standard form of MGM. But let's look at the range of practices that could be described as "male genital mutilation" or MGM. "Nontherapeutic MGC ranges from ritual pricking (e.g., hatafat dam brit), to piercing, scraping the inside of the urethra, bloodletting, shaft scarring, and/or f… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 20/05/21 02:23 AM |
| 4 | Need Information, Part 4Reported child sexual abuse in Bahrain: 2000-2009 This is a descriptive study about child sexual abuse in Bahrain. It is based on a retrospective review of the Child Protection Unit (CPU) medical records of child sexual abuse cases evaluated over the last ten years, from 2000-2009. It included all children from birth to younger than 18 years of age who were evaluated by the CPU for sexual abuse, though "[c]ases that had signs and symptoms indicative of diseases mimicking child sexual abuse were … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 20/05/21 02:10 AM |
| 7 | Need Information, Part 4Even things like wartime rape get gendered when in reality they are not significantly gendered. The effect of this is that the significant cohort of male victims get ignored in international law and policy and swept under the rug. Association of Sexual Violence and Human Rights Violations With Physical and Mental Health in Territories of the Eastern Democratic Republic of the Congo Here is a 2010 study attempting to survey the prevalence of sexual violence and other human rights violations in th… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 20/05/21 02:01 AM |
| 5 | Need Information, Part 4Here are more studies on physical and sexual abuse of men and boys in third world countries. Study on Child Abuse: INDIA 2007. This is a report on child sexual victimisation in India. The major groups studied in this report were child respondents in the age group of 5-18 years, comprising three separate age groups 5-12 years, 13-14 years and 15-18 years. The second category of respondents was young adults in the age group 18-24 years. The report breaks sexual abuse down into two main categories:… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 20/05/21 01:53 AM |
| 7 | Need Information, Part 4Boko Haram, part 2 So men and boys were overwhelmingly the ones targeted by Boko Haram. And what does the mainstream media go crazy over? The kidnapping of 300 Chibok schoolgirls. There was a whole #BringBackOurGirls hashtag for women when Boko Haram captured girls. Even Michelle Obama spoke out about it and trotted out the line that they were "out to deny girls an education" when no, they were out to deny EVERY child a western education. It's even in the name. Boko Haram roughly translates to "… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 20/05/21 01:46 AM |
| 7 | Need Information, Part 4Boko Haram, part 1 The case of Boko Haram is also another example of women and girls being focused on to the exclusion of men and boys. The world went nuts about the kidnapping of the Chibok girls, but nobody seemed to care about the boys that Boko Haram kidnapped and killed. I know that a lot of people here have watched The Red Pill and know about Boko Haram, but the situation was actually far more egregious than it was presented even in that movie. While the world focused on Boko Haram’s kidna… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 20/05/21 01:45 AM |
| 6 | Need Information, Part 4When you're looking at western media reporting on what's going on in the developing world you almost have to assume, "if it's this bad for women, how bad is it for men?" Because they'll only show you what's happening to women (and yes, women DO face issues in these countries and big ones, but so do men. The female side will be focused on and the male side will be erased). The result is that a lot of things which are considered as "women's issues" actually happen to men too, it's just harder to f… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 20/05/21 01:42 AM |
| 5 | Need Information, Part 4Child labour is also primarily a boy's issue. Boys are routinely put to work in Arab countries. ‘Because We Struggle to Survive’ - Child Labour among Refugees of the Syrian Conflict This study provides pertinent first-hand information on the reality facing Syrian children who are working either in their homeland, the neighbouring countries or elsewhere in Europe. Syrian refugees escaping from the civil war in Syria experience widespread poverty, and a lot of them send their children to work. FGD… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 20/05/21 01:40 AM |
| 9 | Need Information, Part 4Yes. There's not too much data collected about it, but what there is suggests that the situation for men and boys in third world countries is not too rosy. For example here's data on the sexual victimisation of men and boys in Arab countries. Prevalence and Long-Term Impact of Child Sexual Abuse Among a Sample of Male College Students in Jordan This 2001 study examines a sample of 100 male college students in Jordan at about 18-20 years of age and finds that 27% of them experienced child sexual … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 20/05/21 01:39 AM |
| 3 | We need a good discussion about nature vs. nurture, not just occasionally as a subthread in other discussions.For examples in the 70s, Esther Vilar suffices. For throughout history, Martin van Creveld's The Second Sex. Do you mean The Privileged Sex? The Second Sex is a book by Simone de Beauvoir which is ultra feminist, the exact opposite of van Creveld and his hypotheses. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/05/21 04:15 PM |
| 5 | I came across this old comment talking about the feminist movement, patriarchy theory, and how reaching back to dictionary definitions is disingenuous at best.And we thought things were bad then. Am I going to say that in another 4 years? Yes. Call it a hunch, but yes. You likely will. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/05/21 04:03 AM |
| 8 | I came across this old comment talking about the feminist movement, patriarchy theory, and how reaching back to dictionary definitions is disingenuous at best.On a related note, I’ve found time and time again that there is a certain brand of feminist that is just impossible to deal with: those that are really invested in the ideology and are really good at coming up with rhetorical tricks to obfuscate and confuse their opponent. When they have really strong staying power, the argument basically turns into a competition of who can say “I disagree” in a more sneaky and creative way, and if they’re better than you rhetorically, they can run circles aroun… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/05/21 02:43 AM |
| 12 | I came across this old comment talking about the feminist movement, patriarchy theory, and how reaching back to dictionary definitions is disingenuous at best.I like u/AloysiusC's refutation of the "muh dictionary definition" argument. https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/5hrzj3/weve_all_told_feminists_that_we_are_not_and_then/db2qfp4?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3 The dictionary does not prescribe the meanings of words. Hence, it's fallacious to claim that, because the dictionary says so, therefore it is so. Prescriptive dictionaries do exist but not for general usage of the English language which is always what they point to. Ba… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/05/21 11:43 PM |
| 2 | This frame of mind that when a couple fights, the guy has to sleep on the couch or leave the house and stay at a hotel is extremely sexist.Yeah I've seen you express these ideas before, I think we are largely in agreement on the topic of "power" and the different ways in which it can manifest, and how feminism by focusing only on formalised political authority neglects many covert forms of power that exist. On a related note, I've been wondering recently how we could get society at large to reject feminist ideas and most notably "patriarchy theory" (the idea that society is created for the benefit of men and at the expense of women… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 12/05/21 01:43 AM |
| 2 | This frame of mind that when a couple fights, the guy has to sleep on the couch or leave the house and stay at a hotel is extremely sexist.Sure, go ahead. Though I bet you'll see the crowd of feminist-sympathetic male advocates and feminist lurkers trying to aggressively attack the post and deny that the term is ever motte-and-bailied in a dishonest way and argue that patriarchy just means men occupying most formal positions of power without any additional baggage. And if MRAs ever have any problems using the word to describe society, they're just ebil and bad. It'll be both infuriating and entertaining. You son of a bitch, I'm in. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 11/05/21 07:20 AM |
| 3 | This frame of mind that when a couple fights, the guy has to sleep on the couch or leave the house and stay at a hotel is extremely sexist.It's not a rhetorical trick, that's what the patriarchy is by definition. There is no suggestion that the senators themselves engineered patriarchal norms, but they are norms that exist within the patriarchy. The definitions of patriarchy you yourself linked in that other thread contradict your definition. Also, feminists do not use the term "patriarchy" in that way in practice, as I have already demonstrated. You are basically insisting that your definition of "patriarchy" is the definition of … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/05/21 08:54 AM |
| 3 | This frame of mind that when a couple fights, the guy has to sleep on the couch or leave the house and stay at a hotel is extremely sexist.This user is definitely trying really really hard to dodge any and all arguments against them. It's pretty funny to watch the mental gymnastics. They're doing it here, too. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/05/21 08:47 AM |
| 6 | This frame of mind that when a couple fights, the guy has to sleep on the couch or leave the house and stay at a hotel is extremely sexist.The lack of clarity you perceive is lack of understanding on the topic, perhaps fueled by over-analyzing and prejudice. Perhaps instead approach the topic with the knowledge that the meaning is well agreed on, and see that if you don't get it when you think you should, that's the Dunning-Kruger Effect. So basically I should nod along and say that the definition is well agreed on, and ignore how all the dictionary definitions of patriarchy you linked differ from each other and do not fit our soci… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/05/21 08:38 AM |
| 4 | This frame of mind that when a couple fights, the guy has to sleep on the couch or leave the house and stay at a hotel is extremely sexist.I don't know if you've noticed but these definitions of patriarchy are rather different with the exception of "political power". This does not, to me, characterise "strong agreement" as to what the term means. Oxford dictionary: " a system of society or government in which men hold the power and women are largely excluded from it. " Given that women are not excluded from positions of power and are just as likely to win when they run for elections, our society would not qualify as a patriarchy. W… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 05/05/21 09:29 AM |
| 3 | This frame of mind that when a couple fights, the guy has to sleep on the couch or leave the house and stay at a hotel is extremely sexist.Ah, I see. So the rhetorical trick you're using here is to claim our society is a "patriarchy" because the majority of senators in the society are male, and therefore any social norms that originate from that society, regardless of how they came about or who they originated from, are "patriarchal norms". In that case every feminist change to social norms are also "patriarchal norms" because feminists are part of a society which is, by your definition of patriarchy, patriarchal, and since the soc… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 05/05/21 09:18 AM |
| 20 | This frame of mind that when a couple fights, the guy has to sleep on the couch or leave the house and stay at a hotel is extremely sexist.The only way your comment - about how men sleeping on the couch during fights is because of "the patriarchy" - makes any lick of sense is if senators and CEOs invent up social norms and social rules and impose them on the rest of the population in a top down way. Which is patently untrue. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/05/21 09:48 AM |
| 2 | All female management and HR forced me out of the company after reporting harassmentUnrelated but I recently came across this comment of yours and found it a really interesting rebuttal to the feminist conception of power being mostly "male". https://www.reddit.com/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates/comments/dl8by5/lets_discuss_how_women_exert_power_and_influence/f57kyen/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3 There are no billionaires in the legislature you realize, but you'd have to really stretch to argue that this means they don't have power and only have "Influence". They … | /r/MensRights | 30/04/21 09:24 PM |
| 5 | Hate in the mainstream.Valerie Solanas went to jail, her attempted murder of Andy Worhol shocked pretty much everyone and her SCUM Manifesto was so insane and so thoroughly rejected that some have resorted to claiming it was always satirical as a form of damage control. Actually it is quite extraordinary to note that Solanas got a good amount of support by second wave feminists, even after she attempted to murder Andy Warhol. In fact, the support was so strong that it caused a fissure within NOW (the National Organiza… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/04/21 07:23 AM |
| 14 | Hate in the mainstream.I like a good amount of your comment but there's this bit I want to address: During the Second Wave, extremist groups arose that developed and incubated these beliefs, and at one point they grew to be a vocal activist minority powerful enough to attempt to challenge mainstream egalitarian pro-sex feminism for dominance of the movement. They were rejected soundly, by both mainstream feminists and society at large, with their leaders discredited as mentally and emotionally dysfunctional at best if… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/04/21 09:23 PM |
| 40 | Hate in the mainstream.As I said in this post of mine, after engaging with a lot of feminists, seeing the shit they write and looking at how desperately they cling to the "patriarchy" narrative I'm starting to get the sense that there's something very sinister about the way they act. There is something profoundly disturbing, power-hungry and abusive about the way the vast majority of them act that is really difficult to articulate, but that I definitely feel the need to oppose as vehemently as possible. It kind of alm… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/04/21 04:16 PM |
| 5 | "They've only been in feminism 101"Most feminists hate men. Not because they have some personal beef, but because they are possessed by an ideology that sees male humanity as inferior and morally culpable simply for being born. It is not a hot, deep seated hatred, but a cold and deadly condescension that accelerates acts of harm and impedes acts of love. The feminist record of the wrongs of men is so prominent in their literature and goes back three generations and more to justify demands on the men of the present. How many femin… | /r/MensRights | 26/04/21 11:06 PM |
| 3 | "Fathers just want custody to pay less child support". Yes, and there are good reasons for that, and it's also in line with ending gender norms. Men are more than just walking ATMs for other people to use and abuse for money.Lmao, the fucking crickets from that guy in response to your question. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/04/21 10:57 PM |
| 18 | It bothers me how often men's mental/emotional views are ignored in the discussion of family laborThis gave me a good chuckle. That beautifully sums up the authors' complaints about mental load. "Women are oppressed by their own neurosis". | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/04/21 01:30 PM |
| 8 | If I'm perfectly honest this feels pointless...Oh, Germaine Greer is a nutcase. She literally insinuated (well, more than insinuated) that men are inherently pedo rapists who want to sexually abuse their daughters. I am not even joking. Here are a few more quotes for you, from Greer's book "The Whole Woman": 1: In a family where nakedness is usual the small girl may see her father's genitals as enormous, threatening, literally in her face. She may be intensely interested in her father's penis; if she climbs into daddy's bed of a morning she … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/04/21 06:21 PM |
| 7 | Just a series of questions I had regarding misandryAny indication that they endorse Patriarchy Theory is enough for me to want to end the relationship if they do not drop the belief after being provided with compelling evidence against it. Call me intolerant or whatever. I have no obligation to know people whose abhorrent beliefs irritate the shit out of me. I would be comfortable cutting out many people. I'm comfortable ending relationships and have done it for a variety of reasons. I don't have too much of a need for connection, so that's prob… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/04/21 07:55 AM |
| 4 | Just another feminist being a lying hypocrite. In other news, today is a day ending in y.I'm late here but the claim that medication doesn't get tested on women as much as men doesn't hold water at all. Yes, women "of childbearing potential" have in a certain period of time been excluded from phase 1 and early phase 2 studies. No, women are not underrepresented in medical research, then or now. When the drug hits the market, both sexes are represented in clinical trials fairly. https://web.archive.org/web/20100430061624/https://www.theatlantic.com/past/docs/issues/96jun/cancer/kadar… | /r/MensRights | 21/04/21 05:21 AM |
| 3 | Patriarchy in 1316In fact, many times husbands who failed to protect and provide for their wives faced legal consequences (and social censure). I did some digging into old newspaper archives in many countries with a shared history of British common law and found that back in the days of coverture husbands were imprisoned for failing to adequately support their wives. All of the cases here are dated before the Married Women's Property Acts were passed in their respective countries. This example comes from New Zeal… | /r/MensRights | 13/04/21 02:25 AM |
| 2 | Response to popular feminist arguments against men's problemsAccording to feminists, this is not true. They say that most men do not fight for custody and most of the time it's settle out of the court. This is true, but irrelevant. That doesn't contradict the fact that women are more likely to win custody of their child then men, and the fact that women are more likely to win custody of their child than men if there is a custody battle. It's not only irrelevant, it's a misleading portrayal of things. According to these feminists, the fact that dads prefer… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 07/04/21 06:38 AM |
| 1 | More Information NeededI'm curious if you have data about mothers preferring to abuse sons than daughters. It would not shock me if this were the case — actually it seems pretty likely given social attitudes towards boys — but I'm curious about how tilted this is. (Raw data here would probably be fine, as I don't think mothers spend more time around their sons than their daughters … the opposite seems more likely.) 71% of Children Killed by One Parent are Killed by Their Mothers; 60% of Victims are Boys Granted, this … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 05/04/21 01:13 PM |
| 40 | For the femlurkers: Do you ever plan on actually deplatforming misandrists of your communities or are you just gonna preach to men about the potential of feminism to help men?I can't remember what the women called themselves that were women but supported mens rights. that's me. Honey Badger? | /r/MensRights | 31/03/21 08:52 PM |
| 12 | Left-Wing Male Advocates SubSeconded. As someone who participates on LWMA every now and then the users there can and do lambast the shit out of feminists and feminism (quite deservedly, honestly) on a regular basis. I'm probably one of the most extreme anti-feminists you can find, and I feel fairly comfortable participating there. | /r/MensRights | 24/03/21 01:28 PM |
| 3 | [CTV News] One female is killed every 2.5 days; one male is killed every 18 hours. The female is a tragedy; the male is expendable.You might like having this source someone posted on r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates. https://www.reddit.com/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates/comments/m5u6g1/female_privilege_is_when_women_are_three_times/gr2spon/?context=3 It essentially provides evidence that criminals are reluctant to target women, and target men instead. | /r/MensRights | 19/03/21 05:24 PM |
| 9 | My responses to an idiot feminist I came across on the subreddit r/TumblrInAction.If I'd had the case at hand at that very moment I would've also given her this source to demonstrate that men also can and do suffer genital trauma from being raped by women, an idea which said idiot feminist felt very comfortable pooh-poohing. https://www.perthnow.com.au/news/black-widow-woman-who-drugged-raped-ten-men-ng-a4e894bb788ad6913d7c2ee37bf3aeee Valeria, who has already been nicknamed the Black Widow for her love of spiders, would get acquainted with men and invite them to her place. S… | /r/MensRights | 18/03/21 09:12 PM |
| 2 | Female supremacy in the justice system.The average prison sentence for men who kill their female partners is two to six years (the illustration here takes the midpoint of those values). By contrast women, who kill their partners are sentenced on average to 15 years. I tried to check this claim of theirs out. The "citations" provided in that Guardian article to support that claim are just links to the ACLU and the Women’s March which mention that statistic as well but do not provide a link to the original source or study from which th… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/03/21 12:47 PM |
| 9 | Is the gender pay gap even real?Yes, there is a gender pay gap. It just has fuck all to do with discrimination. The Korn Ferry Gender Pay Index analysed more than 12.3 million employees in 14,284 companies in 53 countries. They found that men were paid on average 16.1 per cent more than women on a global level. But the gap fell to 5.3 per cent globally when evaluating the same job levels alone, such as people holding a director position. The gap was further narrowed to 1.5 per cent when considering the same level at the same c… | /r/MensRights | 10/03/21 09:02 AM |
| 3 | And here we have part of the problem. Our problems are not considered to be as important as women's problems. Apparently now misandry is nothing but just a bunch of mean tweets while misogyny is harassment, murder and joining terrorist groups.Ugh the final quote from the first article you linked is so utterly cancerous. Shelley Serdahely, executive director of Men Stopping Violence, in Decatur, Ga., questions the validity of studies showing women are more violent. “Women might be more likely to get frustrated because men are not taught how to be active listeners and women feel like they are not being heard,” she said. “Often women are more emotional because the relationship matters a lot to them, and while that may come out in a push… | /r/MensRights | 08/03/21 06:53 PM |
| 8 | An example of feminist historical revisionism: "the rule of thumb" as a legalized form of wife abuseHere is a link to the full text version of the paper you're citing. https://www.thefreelibrary.com/The+%22great+taboo%22+and+the+role+of+patriarchy+in+husband+and+wife+abuse-a0165430144 | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 01/03/21 03:51 AM |
| 19 | Who's throwing rocks?Yep. I've started getting very tired of engaging with feminists recently, though. And that's for a very important reason: many feminists are charlatans who are unable to argue with a shred of honesty. Motte-and-bailey is the name of the game with feminists. They spend most of their time in the bailey where they push X: positions about society and about men which are extremely questionable and controversial, and when called on it they'll retreat to the motte by insisting that they only meant Y: a… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/02/21 12:55 PM |
| 5 | Is it just me?Oh, at the time it was not only military conscription. There were other forms of public service enforced on men back then, like jury, police and militia duty. The argument was that since men could be made not only to defend the country against its enemies, but also enforce laws within the country, they should, accordingly, have the power to direct the government's decisions and determine what those laws they'd be made to enforce were. As the antisuffragist Helen Kendrick Johnson said in 1897: "T… | /r/MensRights | 27/02/21 05:25 AM |
| 32 | What is the perception of men's advocacy amongst queer (LGBT+) people?I'm a gay man and I could not be more antifeminist and supportive of the MRM (and have spoken to a bunch of other gay MRAs as well), so it's not quite 0%. However, my experience has aligned with that of most of the commenters here - the LGBT community as it currently stands has, by and large, absolutely swallowed the bullshit that is feminist propaganda, and as such believe that males are universally ultra-mondo privileged and women are subjugated. Consistent with this faulty worldview of theirs… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/02/21 12:41 PM |
| 11 | Labor Statistics: Men Lost More Jobs from 2020 to 2021.This is such a weak defence of the media bias, it's incredible that you're even making it at all. Any way that something affects women must be seized onto and treated as a massive social problem, and any way it affects men gets swept under the rug. At what point are we going to realise that this sheer preponderance of women-worsting media - even when men are actually affected more - is extremely misleading and agenda-driven? "Men lost more jobs overall, but married women lost more jobs than marr… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/02/21 03:02 AM |
| 1 | In the past men committed suicide much more often than women.The sources are linked inside the post. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/02/21 11:44 AM |
| 8 | In the past men committed suicide much more often than women.The terms privilege and oppression are mostly used to describe who has the advantages in which contexts, and who holds the money and institutional power. I would say this is also an overly simplistic definition of privilege and oppression. Lacking "institutional power" does not equate to being oppressed and having formal power is not necessarily a privileged position to be in, though it can be. It's heavily context dependent and needs to be looked at in context of the entire social and legal env… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/02/21 10:40 AM |
| 7 | In the past men committed suicide much more often than women.There's some interesting data on that, not in the past but at least about today. Here is the World Happiness Report 2015. This report was initially commissioned by the UN in 2012 and carried out by independent experts. Worldwide data comes primarily from the Gallup World Poll. The 2015 version includes a breakdown by sex for the first time, in chapter 3. Here the Cantril Ladder measure of wellbeing is plotted versus age, gender, and geographical region. https://news.gallup.com/poll/122453/unders… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/02/21 08:34 AM |
| 6 | In the past men committed suicide much more often than women.I'm not trying to pull anything. I'm well aware and am not denying that there is still a very male-biased sex ratio in suicides. It's just that the point of the post was to point out that there was a high male suicide rate in the past as well, which less people know about (in some times the sex ratio was much, much higher than it currently is), so usage of past tense to discuss that is just grammatically correct. I didn't think it would be necessary for me to mention that males commit the majori… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/02/21 08:00 AM |
| 3 | Some Ideas for ActivismCould you link your YouTube channel? Awesome thing you're doing, by the way. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/02/21 01:32 AM |
| 3 | Ask LWMA weekly of February 8Whenever I look around in these "manosphere" forums every day I constantly see some feminist or feminist-sympathetic user somewhere spewing this idiotic braindead propaganda of theirs, and I'm very tired of addressing them. It's really common to find them either making claims they don't support, or citing research with a whole host of methodological issues, or citing numbers that simply don't support the claims they're making. Sometimes they do more than one of these in a single comment, which i… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 11/02/21 07:59 PM |
| 8 | Never forget that the NOW has a proven track record of actively opposing shared parenting and demonising fathers' rights groups.I'm not unfamiliar with the research on this issue. Firstly, the study you linked only focused on cases involving intra-parental custody litigation in which alienation was claimed, so it is impossible to make the claims you're making about the entire set of court custody cases based on this study as the study did not use a representative sample of all cases. Claims of parental alienation are not made in every custody case. Also, the quote you're taking these stats from in the study you've linked… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/02/21 11:20 AM |
| 2 | Feminist writes book to help men - fails miserably, books is full of feminist lies and stats manipulation, false claims and so on. Feminism is an ideology/cult - no wonder non feminist gender movements are forming.Trying to be "mindful" would strongly tend to make someone overthink every situation they experience, and that does serve the purpose of sowing doubt and second-guessing oneself, which opens a person up to manipulation and indoctrination, so that could be the purpose of the obsession. As someone who has a tendency to endlessly overthink, I can definitely confirm how destructive this can be and how much doubt it sows. Even as an MRA I can do so many hours of research on this and confirm dispassio… | /r/MensRights | 05/02/21 11:50 PM |
| 7 | Why "moderate" feminists need to speak up and fight the misandry in their ranks or accept being complicit in it.They really do act and talk the same, it's as if they came off a conveyor belt. I wonder if you squeeze this person whether or not they'd produce preprogrammed NPC propaganda. Kind of like an exceptionally cursed Elmo doll. Squeeze "Y'all MRAs are gigantic babies!" Squeeze "MRAs are reactionary rape apologists faking concern for men's issues in an attempt to subjugate women! Reeeee!" Squeeze "👏 FEMINISM 👏 IS 👏 JUST 👏 ABOUT 👏 EQUALITY" Squeeze "Why don't you MRAs actually try and lobby for change… | /r/MensRights | 05/02/21 07:54 PM |
| 7 | Why "moderate" feminists need to speak up and fight the misandry in their ranks or accept being complicit in it.Oh, yes. You got out your special mind-reading abilities and can reliably assess for everyone if or not u/Forgetaboutthelonely really cares about male rape survivors. Spewing continuous unsubstantiated ad hominems at the users of this subreddit without anything in the way of legitimate arguments doesn't make you look very good, cupcake. You are a prime example of why interacting with feminists and other SJWs is a useless task. | /r/MensRights | 05/02/21 07:28 PM |
| 1 | "Trickle down" equality is the problem of how feminist frame mens issues as really being about/ caused by sexism against women... Also some great/funny examples of what it would look like if MRAs acted like feminsts & did this this about womens issues really being about/ caused by sexism against menRegarding history: I have some information about suicides in history. https://hal.archives-ouvertes.fr/hal-00597801/document In England and Wales the suicide rate was much, much greater for males than it was for females in the nineteenth century. Males committed suicide 3 to 4 times as often as females. "The male rate was consistently higher than the female rate over the entire time period although the male to female (sex) ratio rose from 3.3 in 1861 to 4.0 in 1886 and 1906 and subsequently decl… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/02/21 08:32 PM |
| 3 | They don't even see the dying man, it's all about the narrativePS I have more examples than just Roosh v. but you make him the focus of your counter argument because he’s the only one of my examples who doesn’t actively self identify as a MRA. Nope. You also cited the website "Return of Kings" as saying “If a girl is in favor of abortion, there is evil dwelling in her soul." and you called them MRAs in order to smear the MRM. Return of Kings, however, has specifically stated they don't identify as a men's rights site. MRAs on this sub have similarly disavow… | /r/MensRights | 01/02/21 03:13 PM |
| 7 | I'm tired of being the target of revenge for things I didn't do.2/2 At 12 I was pushed to start studying for an undergraduate degree via an online course (yes, 12. I started young). My sister (who also started at 12) was much better at it than I was. She could stick her nose in books and read it without interruption for hours on end. I was much more a "learning by doing" person, and so I wasn't a good fit. Along with the high standards that were always imposed on me (in my family, anything but the very highest grades weren't acceptable) this just served to r… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/01/21 03:22 PM |
| 5 | I'm tired of being the target of revenge for things I didn't do.1/2 Oh yeah. Feminist ideology completely screwed with me the first time I learned about it and heard what they were saying about men and masculinity. I've got a personal anecdote about just how harmful it can be. It's overlong, waffly and somewhat indulgent, and I don't know how to talk about it without sounding like an idiot, but perhaps someone can relate. I grew up in a fairly traditionalist country, but I never felt as if I, personally, benefited from being a guy. Perhaps my experience was … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/01/21 03:22 PM |
| 5 | How many women do you know who actually cook at home. Watching House Hunters TV show and more than half of the couples admit that the man is more interested in the kitchen as he is primary cook in the house.This is anecdotal, but my parents are 50+ and they were both born in Malaysia, which is a fairly traditional part of the world. And do you know who cooks? My father does. He's far more interested in cooking and food and does all of the cooking for the family. My mother can't stand doing it at all. | /r/MensRights | 29/01/21 06:18 AM |
| 2 | What are the risk factors that lead to an individual becoming a rapist?I haven't found anything about Pizzey's involvement in the field of sexual abuse against children yet, I'd be interested to have any links for that. Also, I was just reading William Collins' blog and he was reviewing a talk by Naomi Murphy, one of the speakers in the Male Psychology Conference 2017. I haven't watched the talk yet but according to Collins she's a psychotherapist working at HM Prison Whitemore and she reported that 54% of the male sex offenders were sexually abused by women as chi… | /r/MensRights | 27/01/21 08:26 PM |
| 6 | What are the risk factors that lead to an individual becoming a rapist?I was listening to a Badger Radio podcast the other day, and they mentioned that the biggest risk factor that leads to an individual becoming a rapist was having a history of being sexually abused. Heterosexual Molestation of Children Who Later Became Rapists Here's the full text of the study https://sci-hub.se/https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.2466/pr0.1984.54.3.810 This is a report of a serendipitous finding from another study of childhood heterosexual molestation of men who were incarcerate… | /r/MensRights | 27/01/21 12:16 PM |
| 1 | GUARDIAN: "Are women punished more harshly for killing an intimate partner?"Just getting to this now. I've seen this article before. It asserts that the National Coalition Against Domestic Violence (NCADV) published a stat in 1989 showing that "the average prison sentence for men who kill their female partners is two to six years... [and that] women who kill their partners are sentenced on average to 15 years." The "citations" provided in the article to support that claim are just links to the ACLU and the Women’s March which mention that statistic as well but do not pr… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/01/21 10:56 AM |
| 4 | In 'Wonder Woman 1984', Wonder Woman rapes a stranger's body (aka rapes a stranger) because he's being possessed by the spirit of her dead boyfriend.Hear, hear! | /r/MensRights | 22/01/21 12:51 PM |
| 2 | About the wage gap...LOL this post seems to have been brigaded by a bunch of idiot feminists. Thanks for handling a bunch of the responses. | /r/MensRights | 21/01/21 11:10 PM |
| 4 | Suffrage was primarily a class issue, not a gender one.To be fair, patriarchy seems still alive in some of these fundamentalist countries? Read about teenage girls being forced to marry old Muslim men the other day. When you're looking at western media reporting on what's going on in the developing world you almost have to assume, "if it's this bad for women, how bad is it for men?" Because they'll only show you what's happening to women (and yes, women DO face issues in these countries and big ones, but so do men. The female side will be focused on… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/01/21 06:08 AM |
| 2 | About the wage gap...Even in the US, women give birth, and then we provide no means for men and women to take equal time off to care. So therefore women have become responsible for raising kids. Not a choice. I don't even disagree with the idea of offering fathers paternity leave equal to that of maternity leave but it feels dishonest to portray the female caregiver norm as forced upon women. What the astute observer will note is that most working women with small children would rather work less, not more. Even femi… | /r/MensRights | 21/01/21 03:42 AM |
| 2 | About the wage gap...One of the key take aways from the pandemic is that woman have had to take on a much greater burden of the increased family load then men. "Had to" Why is it that women's choices keep being portrayed as having been forced upon them? Are adult women completely lacking agency? Also, perhaps gender roles aren't entirely socially imposed? Perhaps women and men in the absence of social pressure would still choose to devote their time to different things and make different tradeoffs? The load of famil… | /r/MensRights | 19/01/21 07:03 PM |
| 3 | About the wage gap...I've put this in the body of my post but the Korn Ferry Gender Pay Index in its analysis of more than 12.3 million employees found that the gender gap narrowed to 0.5% when considering employees in the same level, same company and performing the same function. https://www.businesstimes.com.sg/government-economy/fewer-women-in-good-paying-jobs-not-unequal-wages-behind-gender-pay-gap-korn Not completely closed, no, but very close to it. And the existence of an unexplained gap in and of itself does… | /r/MensRights | 19/01/21 04:18 PM |
| 1 | About the wage gap...You've already touched on this point slightly but apart from the many issues there are with using hours spent as a measure of work done when it comes to these types of activities, there's also an issue with sorting these activities out into large categories like "child care" and "shopping for the family" and assuming all of these activities are work because that stuff can either be classified as work or leisure, and the line between them is often blurry. For example I'm looking at the American T… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/01/21 09:19 AM |
| 5 | About the wage gap...Well for my part the only statement I've made is that women spend less hours than men in paid employment. And I've only brought it up because it goes some of the way in explaining the wage gap - in a lot of jobs you are compensated based on how many hours you work, after all. As to who does more in general, mothers or fathers, I don't know and I haven't made any definitive statements on that topic. It's fairly obvious that since this is an MRA sub you'll see people here making statements that fa… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/01/21 04:22 PM |
| 4 | About the wage gap...Some women claim shopping for holiday gifts is a necessity and not leisure time. Some men will say otherwise, that it is leisure time despite it feeling like a necessity. On top of that, unlike a job, there is no set time for shopping. If he finishes in 15 minutes and she decides to take 4 hours, she may write up 4 hours of "unpaid work" despite it arguably being her own inefficiency. This comment exactly nails the problem with using hours spent to measure how much weight someone is pulling. Jus… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/01/21 03:56 PM |
| 4 | About the wage gap...These numbers are for America, not Canada. And I believe the study is looking at the average working hours of married people with children, not the general population. The percentage of married women with children who work full time is probably smaller than the percentage of women as a whole who work full time. Here's another article bringing attention to these numbers. https://ifstudies.org/blog/the-myth-of-the-lazy-father I’ll start with a fact that has been reported several times, yet mysteri… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/01/21 03:26 PM |
| 6 | About the wage gap...Many studies have shown women have less free time. Some studies have shown it is actually pretty equal. But I don't know of any that suggest women have more free time. There are actually studies which show that. When everything was taken into account what some studies have found is that fathers did more work than mothers in total. Here's a graph illustrating the number of hours mothers and fathers spent on child care, housework and paid work. https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/06/12/fath… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/01/21 02:29 PM |
| 3 | About the wage gap...Sorry, the links got a bit fucked up when I copied it over from Blogger (which is where I draft most of my posts) to Reddit, and didn't lead where I wanted it to lead. I've fixed it and it should work now, though. Reddit's formatting has been giving me some issues recently. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/01/21 01:33 PM |
| 3 | I see the average kid knows that the wage gap is fake...Ok so due to having children, something we cannot change, more flexible jobs are being filled by more women. Then why are these jobs paying less? Flexible jobs include many things that are needed in today's society. Yet they are paid less. Why is that? Because people are more willing and able to do jobs which allow for flexible working hours. The higher the supply of labour, the lower the wage. It so happens that the more undesirable and stringent the job is in its requirements, the less people … | /r/MensRights | 13/01/21 09:29 PM |
| 3 | I see the average kid knows that the wage gap is fake...Why are the jobs then, that more women are doing, not high paying jobs? One of the reasons is because they are more likely to experience breaks in their careers when having children. The gender pay gap is actually in favour of women up until their 30s, when it gets reversed with a vengeance. I'd theorise that the reason why this is is because when women start having kids, they start prioritising flexibility over pay, start working less, and generally start relying on their husbands' earnings mor… | /r/MensRights | 13/01/21 08:36 PM |
| 1 | I see the average kid knows that the wage gap is fake...No, but we are talking statistics, not one case vs another. Men aren't statistically smarter or better at any one job(not physical, again) than women. Yet more men are in higher paying positions that women across the board. Soooo...... discrimination based on gender. This is an unfounded assumption. The idea that because women are half the population, they would be half of those in high-paying jobs if ONLY they weren't denied a chance is exactly the kind of distorted thinking I'm trying to comba… | /r/MensRights | 13/01/21 08:01 PM |
| 11 | I see the average kid knows that the wage gap is fake...So the wage gap is very real. Thats the 16 percent gap. Its just not caused by discrimination like feminists would have you believe. Yes, I agree. That was my point. My argument was not that there were no differences between the pay of men and women on average, it was that the difference is not caused by discrimination. Mind you, I'm not the OP. People who say "the wage gap is fake" are usually trying to say "the wage gap is not caused by discrimination" and that is correct, however the way in w… | /r/MensRights | 13/01/21 10:01 AM |
| 60 | I see the average kid knows that the wage gap is fake...The Korn Ferry Gender Pay Index analysed more than 12.3 million employees in 14,284 companies in 53 countries. They found that men were paid on average 16.1 per cent more than women on a global level. But the gap fell to 5.3 per cent globally when evaluating the same job levels alone, such as people holding a director position. The gap was further narrowed to 1.5 per cent when considering the same level at the same company. If men and women at the same job level and in the same company were also… | /r/MensRights | 13/01/21 06:51 AM |
| 8 | One area that feminism has failed to liberate women is around childcare. And I don't think this is a coincidence. Everything considered equal, the trade-offs that parents make greatly benefit women at the expense of men.It's really, really difficult to justify the idea that women doing more so-called "unpaid" work compared to paid work relative to men is some disadvantage for women, given that it is something women specifically seek out. 84% of working women in a 2012 study from Forbes said they aspire to be a stay-at-home mother. What’s more, more than one in three resent their partner for not earning enough to make that dream a reality. https://www.forbes.com/sites/meghancasserly/2012/09/12/is-opting-out-the-… | /r/MensRights | 10/01/21 05:52 PM |
| 6 | Some sources on the sexual abuse of men and boys, part 4Here's an archived version of this page. If you want to archive anything on Reddit, use this website. You'll subsequently be able to refer back to the page via the archive link regardless of whether Reddit does take the post down or not. https://archive.org/ | /r/MensRights | 08/01/21 06:12 PM |
| 11 | Some sources on the sexual abuse of men and boys, part 4The sheer amount of these from different parts of the world is sadly surprising to see, taking into account how it's basically never spoken about in the mainstream. It's seriously quite depressing how little public awareness there is about it - the sexual abuse of men and boys is one of the most under-recognised and under-reported crimes out there. I did find it encouraging how positive the reception of your comments on TumblrInAction were, though. While I'm fully aware it's a very anti-SJW subr… | /r/MensRights | 04/01/21 05:10 AM |
| 10 | The idea that women are "bigger victims" than men is a harmful, antiquated gender norm that promotes toxic ideas in societyWe could but it was perpetration of domestic violence we were just talking about, not perpetration of assault and homicidal violence, and either way talking about perpetration would still be completely irrelevant to what OP was talking about - which was victimisation. Hope shifting these goalposts isn't too difficult for you. I bet they're super heavy. | /r/MensRights | 27/12/20 09:36 PM |
| 10 | The idea that women are "bigger victims" than men is a harmful, antiquated gender norm that promotes toxic ideas in societyYou are basically a case study in confirmation bias. Interesting how you've just completely ignored every one of the statistics I've sent you and the incredible amounts of evidence against your narrative. I've provided you a massive bibliography on DV, as well as the largest set of meta-analyses on the topic taking into account thousands of studies which literally states that "Among large population samples, 57.9% of IPV reported was bi-directional, 42% unidirectional; 13.8% of the unidirectiona… | /r/MensRights | 27/12/20 09:13 PM |
| 13 | The idea that women are "bigger victims" than men is a harmful, antiquated gender norm that promotes toxic ideas in societyFirstly, again, your claim addresses nothing in OP's post. I'm fairly certain you decided to incoherently shit in this thread the way you did because you don't like the MRM. The topic was about victimisation, not perpetration, and how we should not automatically view women as the biggest victims. You decided to bring up perpetration and portrayed it as a "flaw" in OP's argument when in fact it was not one. It's a complete shifting of the goalposts that makes no sense. Your "contribution" if we c… | /r/MensRights | 27/12/20 09:05 PM |
| 13 | The idea that women are "bigger victims" than men is a harmful, antiquated gender norm that promotes toxic ideas in societyOkay, let's talk about domestic violence. Here is a bibliography examining 286 scholarly investigations: 221 empirical studies and 65 reviews and/or analyses, which demonstrate that women are as physically aggressive, or more aggressive, than men in their relationships with their spouses or male partners. The aggregate sample size in the reviewed studies exceeds 371,600. https://web.csulb.edu/~mfiebert/assault.htm More than 200 studies have shown that domestic abuse in relationships is gender sy… | /r/MensRights | 27/12/20 08:50 PM |
| 15 | The idea that women are "bigger victims" than men is a harmful, antiquated gender norm that promotes toxic ideas in societyActually, it's your claim which is irrelevant to the topic here. The OP was saying that women aren't necessarily bigger victims and that we should stop assuming that they are. Saying "Oh, men perpetrate most violence" and pretending that's a flaw in OP's argument is really very disingenuous of you because we were talking about victimisation, not perpetration. Regardless of the validity of the claim it's ultimately irrelevant to OP's point. At the very least Vaultdweller stuck to the topic of vic… | /r/MensRights | 27/12/20 08:32 PM |
| 2 | DEBATE: A VIDEO arguing: Even in Afghanistan, women are not MORE oppressed than men are.... throughout history women were not MORE oppressed than men eitherWhen you're looking at western media reporting on what's going on in the developing world you almost have to assume, "if it's this bad for women, how bad is it for men?" Because they'll only show you what's happening to women (and yes, women DO face issues in these countries and big ones, but so do men. The female side will be focused on and the male side will be erased). ----- I was reading an interesting report from the Danish Immigration Service’s fact-finding mission to Erbil, Sulemaniyah an… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/12/20 07:00 PM |
| 77 | The idea that women are "bigger victims" than men is a harmful, antiquated gender norm that promotes toxic ideas in society2/2 So men and boys were overwhelmingly the ones targeted by Boko Haram. And what does the mainstream media go crazy over? The kidnapping of 300 Chibok schoolgirls. There was a whole #BringBackOurGirls hashtag for women when Boko Haram captured girls. Even Michelle Obama spoke out about it and trotted out the line that they were "out to deny girls an education" when no, they were out to deny EVERY child a western education. It's even in the name. Boko Haram roughly translates to "Western educati… | /r/MensRights | 27/12/20 06:42 PM |
| 83 | The idea that women are "bigger victims" than men is a harmful, antiquated gender norm that promotes toxic ideas in society1/2 That entire Boko Haram case was so crazy. The world went nuts about the kidnapping of the Chibok girls, but nobody seemed to care about the boys that Boko Haram kidnapped and killed. I know that a lot of people here have watched The Red Pill and know about Boko Haram, but the situation was actually far more egregious than it was presented even in that movie. While the world focused on Boko Haram’s kidnappings of women and girls, they were stealing an even greater number of boys. Over a perio… | /r/MensRights | 27/12/20 06:42 PM |
| 1 | "Trickle down" equality is the problem of how feminist frame mens issues as really being about/ caused by sexism against women... Also some great/funny examples of what it would look like if MRAs acted like feminsts & did this this about womens issues really being about/ caused by sexism against menOh it's perfectly fine, feel free to comment on anything I write. It's an open forum, and I don't mind disagreement so long as the points being brought up are valid. I was rather angry when I wrote that (it was shortly after I came out of a very protracted argument elsewhere) and I do think I was a bit too harsh with that comment. Pissed-off people aren't usually the best at making nuanced points. I have decided to leave it up, though. I generally agree with the points you've made but there's a … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/12/20 07:28 PM |
| 1 | Feminism only took off because we already are under the effect of women are wonderfulI know this is a late reply - I've been dealing with a few things lately and have only just got around to (very slowly) responding to the various messages I've received. I've commented previously that the belief of women being inferior is actually a pretty good way to motivate men to be protectors and providers. I've seen this exact thing happen in real life with a female family member of mine. We get into debates about gender issues sometimes and whenever I bring up a gendered double standard w… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/12/20 03:57 PM |
| 1 | "Trickle down" equality is the problem of how feminist frame mens issues as really being about/ caused by sexism against women... Also some great/funny examples of what it would look like if MRAs acted like feminsts & did this this about womens issues really being about/ caused by sexism against menSorry I took so long to respond back, I've been somewhat preoccupied and this got put on the back burner for a while. They oscillate between the two depending on which gets them the most power: agentic power and hypoagentic power. Presenting oneself as oh so strong and powerful is great when you want to take power for yourself, and presenting oneself as oh so downtrodden and victimized is great when you want others to exert power on your behalf. That is a fantastic way of putting it. They want b… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/12/20 04:04 PM |
| 3 | Biden chooses an all-female senior White House press teamCheck my other comment for my response. https://www.reddit.com/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates/comments/k4yu7r/biden_chooses_an_allfemale_senior_white_house/gecirka/ | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/12/20 08:12 AM |
| 3 | Biden chooses an all-female senior White House press teamSo I'll address this quote: In this specific case, I almost can’t care about it as government representation is different from engineering or scientific fields and can use more female representation. Female representation does not matter, again lower female representation does not mean that women are being discriminated against. I'm also addressing this quote from your other comment to me: https://www.reddit.com/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates/comments/k4yu7r/biden_chooses_an_allfemale_senior_white_hous… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/12/20 08:12 AM |
| 6 | Biden chooses an all-female senior White House press teamHow will you solve misogyny and men in power who do abuse it against women? We know it exists even now thanks to me too etc. MeToo was a shit movement which essentially created a social environment that facilitated women's ability to make baseless, false accusations against men and completely ruin their lives. Furthermore, plenty of studies have shown that in many occupations, there is no widespread misogyny against women. There may be individual bad actors but as a whole, if anything, women are… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/12/20 07:16 AM |
| 4 | Biden chooses an all-female senior White House press teamIs your point that there is no misogyny or racism in society? My point is that the differences in representation in certain professions cannot be chalked up to discrimination. Again, if men's and women's brains are generally different, that implies different intellectual, psychological and temperamental traits on average. I'll give you a few examples of how this manifests: One of the most stark differences (because it occurs so early) is the sex difference in thing vs people orientation. That di… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/12/20 07:13 AM |
| 7 | Biden chooses an all-female senior White House press teamNon-white, non-male people do not have the same opportunities even if we don’t see it Again, this is exactly the type of warped thinking I'm trying to oppose. The assumption that because a group isn't equally represented, they are being discriminated against, is unfounded. This is especially true for men and women. Men's and women's brains are generally different and that implies different intellectual, psychological and temperamental traits on average. In other words men and women in aggregate … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/12/20 07:09 AM |
| 5 | Biden chooses an all-female senior White House press teamYes, I disagree with affirmative action for any group. It should not be a thing. Eliminating bias and discrimination against blacks in the hiring process is not something I would oppose. Instituting a form of discrimination in favour of blacks (race-based affirmative action), on the other hand, is unacceptable. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/12/20 07:04 AM |
| 9 | Biden chooses an all-female senior White House press teamYou agree men, especially those in power are doing a horrible job. I didn't agree with that at all. That paragraph was very thinly veiled sarcasm and I've got no clue how it flew over your head. I am assuming some of the women are not good and some are, but don’t have the right connections. Oh yes, I'm sure men find it super easy to get the right connections. This is sarcasm by the way. Do you think the women Biden put in his press team don't have good connections? I'm willing to bet money they … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/12/20 06:58 AM |
| 13 | Biden chooses an all-female senior White House press teamAt the very least, we know they are half the population. The idea that because women are half the population, they would be half of the government if ONLY they weren't denied a chance is exactly the kind of distorted thinking I'm trying to combat. Let’s mix it up and give females a chance too. Women already have a chance. The fact that women, en masse, aren't jumping to get into politics isn't in any way something that needs to be remedied. It seriously irks me how this shit is always portrayed … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/12/20 06:43 AM |
| 26 | Biden chooses an all-female senior White House press teamI'm not sure if an all-female communications team is harder to avoid than to achieve. According to the article this is "the first time the entire senior White House communications team will be entirely female." I do think you're probably right that communications and public relations is female-dominated, and that there is a possibility that this communications team just happened to be all-female. However, the fact that it's Biden just makes me (and a lot of other people, apparently) wonder if th… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/12/20 02:10 AM |
| 4 | "Trickle down" equality is the problem of how feminist frame mens issues as really being about/ caused by sexism against women... Also some great/funny examples of what it would look like if MRAs acted like feminsts & did this this about womens issues really being about/ caused by sexism against menthe only exception being if you explain a negative behavior of women as merely the result of their being a victim of the patriarchy. Yeah and this kind of thing is just really funny because it's the kind of denial of women's agency that feminists like to call "misogynist" when engaged in by any other group of people for any other reason. Feminists have a really schizophrenic relationship with female power and agency: on the one hand it is celebrated, on the other it is denied. Thus feminists wil… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/11/20 02:02 PM |
| 2 | Feminism only took off because we already are under the effect of women are wonderfulI realise I've been writing responses to pretty old comments of yours for a while now, and this must look pretty odd. What's happening is that I've been slowly making my way back through your post and comment history and been commenting on anything I find interesting. Hope this isn't much of a bother. I wonder if the real issue was women being unable to enter higher paying and more labour intensive professions, rather than actually being paid less. Women generally did have lower wages in history… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/11/20 07:29 PM |
| 5 | "Trickle down" equality is the problem of how feminist frame mens issues as really being about/ caused by sexism against women... Also some great/funny examples of what it would look like if MRAs acted like feminsts & did this this about womens issues really being about/ caused by sexism against menI've also seen what you've described happen in discussions about male rape. Generally, when you bring up stats showing a high rate of female perpetration and male victimisation wrt sexual abuse and rape, people don't care. I've had people tell me, even after I provided an incredible amount of stats and sources on the topic, that it must not be that common, since men are strong and can physically defend themselves (apparently other ways of forcing or coercing unwanted sex that don't involve physi… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 12/11/20 02:57 AM |
| 6 | Ask LWMA weekly threadMy taste in music is extremely varied, to say the least. I listen to everything from ambient to classical music to classic rock to (experimental) electronic music. Here's some of my favourite music: Classical: Rimsky-Korsakov - Scheherazade Tchaikovsky - Symphony no. 6 Rachmaninoff - Rhapsody on a Theme of Paganini Rock: Dire Straits - Money For Nothing Supertramp - Take The Long Way Home Pink Floyd - Nobody Home Electronic: Aphex Twin - minipops 67 [120.2] (source field mix) Aphex Twin - Mt Sai… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 07/11/20 02:26 AM |
| 3 | How to argue against "we live in a patriarchy": It's not wrong; it's misleading and distracting.Yep. Never underestimate the social and political power of an unfalsifiable, never-ending, gender-based threat narrative (patriarchy theory). Having others only ever perceive you as an innocent victim gets you copious amounts of sympathy and adulation, and it allows you to demand that all kinds of entitlements to be given to you at the expense of the group who you've portrayed as your victimisers, without having to give anything back to them or reciprocate. It really is the most incredible demon… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/11/20 06:30 AM |
| 3 | The Great Intimate Partner Violence Swindle, part CCCXLVII: Intimate TerrorismHere are studies showing that intimate terrorism is not uniquely gendered: "Using Johnson's domestic violence typology to classify men and women in a non-selected sample." 2005. Sample size of 1,339. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/237230405_Using_Johnson's_domestic_violence_typology_to_classify_men_and_women_in_a_non-selected_sample This study criticises the research that Johnson has used to support his theory that intimate terrorism is primarily male-on-female: "Research that Johnson … | /r/MensRights | 30/10/20 08:25 PM |
| 3 | How to argue against "we live in a patriarchy": It's not wrong; it's misleading and distracting.I keep planning to write a long post/essay on this but university ("grad school") is keeping me busy, I'll get there eventually. I look forward to that post/essay - I've enjoyed reading your previous comments on this topic, and they've helped me clarify and think through a few of my views with regards to the idea of "patriarchy". Feminists almost always seem to consider covert forms of female power which are not legitimised or formalised via institutions as not being of any importance, which I t… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/10/20 06:34 AM |
| 6 | RBG fought and cared about men’s rightsWhat the fuck. I have nothing to say but I'm seriously hoping this is satire. | /r/MensRights | 30/09/20 03:27 PM |
| 7 | RBG fought and cared about men’s rightsSome men do indeed beat their wives. Some women also beat their husbands. These are real men and women. However, that isn't necessarily reflective of the ideas or attitudes of other men and women in no small part because being a man or a woman is involuntary - it's not a category that one can opt in or out of. Being a feminist, on the other hand, is a category which one can voluntarily choose to be part of or not. Voluntarily identifying with ANY group or label says something about the person wh… | /r/MensRights | 30/09/20 06:08 AM |
| 9 | RBG fought and cared about men’s rightsActually most feminists are ok with men having equal rights to women. They just oppose those who have crazy ideas under the disguise of equality that really just perpetuate inequality. Especially those that prevent help for transgender individuals like myself. No. I’m a feminist. I know society isn’t male dominate but you keep insisting on putting words into the mouths of those you esteem to be your opponents who are in reality your allies. Here's Karen Straughan's response to this assertion: So… | /r/MensRights | 30/09/20 05:41 AM |
| 4 | Debate outside the bubbleIt honestly wouldn't be that difficult. If you want to be consistent mitoza should have been banned a long time ago. Oh my god. Fucking Mitoza. I've never posted on FeMRADebates but have browsed once or twice, and that user is one of the most insufferable people I've ever had the displeasure of having come across on Reddit. I seriously think he's completely allergic to good faith discussion. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/09/20 06:08 AM |
| 6 | Greek contemporaries like Aristotle and Plutarch wrote that Spartan women lived lives of luxury compared to menIt is from Lucrezia Marinella's treatise "The Nobility and Excellence of Women and the Defects and Vices of Men". It was published in the 1600s, IIRC. "It is a marvelous sight in our city to see the wife of a shoemaker or butcher or even a porter all dressed up with gold chains round her neck, with pearls and valuable rings on her fingers, accompanied by a pair of women on either side to assist her and give her a hand, and then, by contrast, to see her husband cutting up meat all soiled with ox’… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/09/20 04:42 PM |
| 4 | I have criticisms with the "male gaze". It is valid but it happens to name to.I would assert that women have always had primary control/influence in personal and familial issues. I wonder if the researchers had to add this line to make it easier to get published. Apart from the link that u/Oncefa2 gave you, I'd add these three research papers to your arsenal to show that even in very traditional, "patriarchal" societies throughout history women have always had a huge amount of control in the household. Saloio Women: An Analysis of Informal and Formal Political and Economi… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/08/20 04:12 PM |
| 17 | Some sources on sexual abuse of men and boys, part 3Do you write these kinds of things for a living? I absolutely do not write any of this for a living, I'm just extremely dedicated and good at research. (And very annoyed at feminism and just how entrenched this bigoted, anti-male ideology has become.) | /r/MensRights | 16/08/20 06:34 PM |
| 2 | Weren't witches victims of people not applying "innocent until proven guilty"?Looking forward to seeing your new findings. I've been making a series of posts about it. Part 1 https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/i0j2g9/some_sources_on_sexual_abuse_of_men_and_boys/ Part 2 https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/i6sdli/some_sources_on_sexual_abuse_of_men_and_boys_part/ Part 3 https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/iavcnv/some_sources_on_sexual_abuse_of_men_and_boys_part/ If I find more sources, there will be a part 4. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/08/20 04:34 PM |
| 2 | Weren't witches victims of people not applying "innocent until proven guilty"?Haha, I had a feeling my comment might have been the one you were referring to but wasn't entirely sure. Here's the original comment I made about witch-hunts, which has a slight bit more information in it. It was originally in response to a feminist who sent me a long list of claims about female oppression throughout history. The comment in the link is the third part of a series of replies I made to her (it got broken up into three comments because my entire rebuttal of her various claims was so… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/08/20 12:49 PM |
| 4 | Weren't witches victims of people not applying "innocent until proven guilty"?One thing I fucking hate is the portrayal of witch-hunts as men just wanting to kill women because reasons. It had nothing to do with that. As you note, plenty of men were tried and killed for witchcraft and in certain places such as Iceland, Normandy, Estonia, Burgundy, Russia and Iceland, more men were prosecuted for witchcraft than women. In Iceland, between 1625 and 1685, 92 per cent of those prosecuted for witchcraft were men (and all but one of those killed were men). In Russia, approximat… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/08/20 04:15 PM |
| 1 | Studies found that studies that have positive results for men are reflexively doubted, by men and women likewise. If a study show female superiority, there is more trust in the result, the methodology lauded, and the assertions deemed more relevant. Again, by both women and men.Nice to see you back on MR. There are many "misogynistic" justifications these societies use for being kinder and gentler with women and girls (they're weak, they're defenceless, they're feeble-minded, or fickle, or prone to over-emotionality, not logical, they believe sentiment is more important than principle, etc). Some of these may be more true than others. And yes, you can describe these as insulting beliefs, but the ultimate result of these justifications and narratives was that women were… | /r/MensRights | 13/08/20 06:31 PM |
| 1 | Some sources on sexual abuse of men and boysNice. I'll probably crosspost that again if you don't. When I'm done I'll probably bunch all these sources up into one single post and put it up in this sub. Thanks for the sources, I might include them in Part 3 if that's okay with you. Some of the new sources I have for Part 3 show an extremely high rate of perpetration of sexual aggression among women. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/08/20 12:31 PM |
| 5 | Cardi B’s “WAP”Well one of my sources "Forced-to-penetrate cases: Lived experiences of men" already addresses this. "The majority of men did not report being compelled to penetrate a woman, either to the police or to friends and family. The reporting rate to the police of 1.7% is even lower than the reporting rate for women who have experienced serious sexual violence, which stands at around 15%. The extremely low reporting rate in compelled penetration cases suggests a clear lack of engagement by these men wi… | /r/MensRights | 12/08/20 01:45 PM |
| 7 | Cardi B’s “WAP”Humble as always, I see! | /r/MensRights | 12/08/20 09:51 AM |
| 10 | Cardi B’s “WAP”I'm not u/Maito_Guy (so, not the guy you were talking to) but I believe I know enough about this to respond. Everything I’ve seen is that women rape men at a much lower rate. I was surprised to find anyone studying female rapists to begin with ... That's at least in part due to the fact that male victimisation and female perpetration is extremely underreported. Let me give you some quotes from a paper by Lara Stemple: "Sexual Victimization Perpetrated by Women: Federal Data Reveal Surprising Pre… | /r/MensRights | 12/08/20 06:11 AM |
| 6 | There are some interesting pro-MRM replies to this post,as well as feminist ones: Most men are not monsters but most monsters are men.Me pointing out your fallacies is not in and of itself a fallacy. | /r/MensRights | 11/08/20 08:12 PM |
| 7 | There are some interesting pro-MRM replies to this post,as well as feminist ones: Most men are not monsters but most monsters are men.What a retarded, childish ad hominem attack. [3] | /r/MensRights | 11/08/20 07:44 PM |
| 7 | There are some interesting pro-MRM replies to this post,as well as feminist ones: Most men are not monsters but most monsters are men.What a retarded, childish ad hominem attack. [2] | /r/MensRights | 11/08/20 06:45 PM |
| 7 | There are some interesting pro-MRM replies to this post,as well as feminist ones: Most men are not monsters but most monsters are men.What a retarded, childish ad hominem attack. | /r/MensRights | 11/08/20 06:15 PM |
| 8 | There are some interesting pro-MRM replies to this post,as well as feminist ones: Most men are not monsters but most monsters are men.Also, women who want to commit violence tend to use much more indirect tactics. You mentioned intimate partner homicides in your comment. It's well known that wives tend to murder by proxy through getting a male lover, friend, etc to commit violence on their behalf, which subsequently gets recorded either as being both perpetrated and instigated by the third-party male, or – and even if the wife is found to be implicated – as a "multiple-offender" killing without reference to a wife. Wives also … | /r/MensRights | 11/08/20 05:04 PM |
| 2 | Some sources on sexual abuse of men and boysHere is part 2. Hope I'm not spamming, just think you'd be interested. https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/i6sdli/some_sources_on_sexual_abuse_of_men_and_boys_part/ | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/08/20 03:40 PM |
| 4 | Has anyone else noticed how people only interpret things to be harmful or sexist towards women when they are also harmful or sexist towards men?I think this is a great recent example of how things that aren't sexist at all or that affects both genders are interpreted as sexist against only women. Basically, what happened was that the Journal of Vascular Surgery posted an article called "Prevalence of unprofessional social media content among young vascular surgeons." Here is the link to the pdf of the article. I had a bit of a look through it (It has now been retracted and is very hard to read). https://www.jvascsurg.org/article/S0741-5… | /r/MensRights | 10/08/20 03:15 PM |
| 2 | Some sources on sexual abuse of men and boysI'm currently making a Part 2 to this post. There are a lot more sources on this, it's just going to take a bit of time to dig them up. I'm thinking about making a long series of posts on this topic, but we'll see. Most people in the MRM only know about the NISVS and don't know that there are a huge number of other studies out there which support the idea of gender parity. They also feel as if men are equally as traumatised by sexual abuse and assault as women are (which is correct) but don't ha… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/08/20 05:52 PM |
| 1 | Why violence against men is often ignored?So Yemeni women have it hardest in war because their men have been killed or maimed and they now have to fill the difficult roles that men have always filled? That fucking hurts my brain. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/08/20 09:11 AM |
| 2 | Instead of teaching boys "it's never ok to hit a girl" we should be teaching all kids "it's never ok to hit anyone"I'd also add to your arsenal this article: "Partner Violence as Female-specific in Aetiology". It's really dense with information and data which supports the idea that women are more violent and abusive than men to their partners. I'd recommend you download it and give it a perusal. | /r/MensRights | 03/08/20 08:22 AM |
| 5 | Hey - So, I saw a post on potential sex differences in behaviour and thought I'd share a detailed post I wrote around five months ago. Thought people might find it interesting.Here are some extra studies in support of a biological basis for sex differences in behaviour. Females on average tend to be stronger verbally than males, whereas males tend to be stronger visually. Even in infants which are 5 months old, boys use mental rotation more than girls do. A massive study using a sample of about 700,000 people found rather considerable sex differences between men and women on systemising (the drive to analyse or build a system) and empathising (the drive to recognise a… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/07/20 08:42 AM |
| 5 | Hey - So, I saw a post on potential sex differences in behaviour and thought I'd share a detailed post I wrote around five months ago. Thought people might find it interesting.Here is my critique of the study from Joel et al in your post: So let's start with the biological studies. Do men and women have different brains on average and what could this mean? Well, there's a few studies that say no: For instance, Joel et al came to this conclusion: These findings are corroborated by a similar analysis of personality traits, attitudes, interests, and behaviors of more than 5,500 individuals, which reveals that internal consistency is extremely rare. Our study demonstrates… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/07/20 08:37 AM |
| 5 | R/Feminism is not about feminism, It's about hating men. All white men rape and are disgusted by WOC apparently.It's about hating men. That and feminism are not whatsoever incompatible. | /r/MensRights | 29/07/20 08:18 AM |
| 2 | I am just about done, I need a breakI said exactly this a few days ago. I feel the same way. I'm really exhausted. At this point I'm so sick to death of the "oppression of women" narrative that if I hear any more of the propaganda I'll start seriously considering leaving society out of sheer frustration and living in a cabin in the woods cut off from the rest of civilisation for the rest of my life. It's a war of attrition, and it's one that I don't really seem to be cut out for. The more I engage with people and encounter the sam… | /r/MensRights | 28/07/20 02:20 AM |
| 2 | FGM & MGMFGM and MGM have all different levels. Perhaps 30% of FGM cases are the `worst' kind. That is a significant, significant overestimation of how common the "worst" kind of FGM is. Infibulation (the "worst" kind of FGM) actually accounts for only 10% of FGM cases across Africa, according to a 2007 estimate generated by P. Stanley Yoder and Shane Khan. https://dhsprogram.com/pubs/pdf/wp39/wp39.pdf And outside of Africa, as far as I know, infibulation is hardly practiced whatsoever. So globally, infi… | /r/MensRights | 24/07/20 05:23 AM |
| 2 | I read somewhere that in the early 1900s woman didn't want the right to vote. Is this true?Universal male suffrage in Britain came in 1918 and universal female suffrage came only 10 years later in 1928. Not quite the gender gap feminists portray it as... | /r/MensRights | 21/07/20 04:40 PM |
| 3 | I read somewhere that in the early 1900s woman didn't want the right to vote. Is this true?2/2 In the US, things were very much the same. A 1903 article from the Atlantic talking about women's opposition to suffrage called "Why Women Do Not Wish The Suffrage" noted that when the citizens of Massachusetts were asked by the state of their opinions on women's suffrage, few women actually even cared to put in a ballot and say they wanted it. "Of the 575,000 voting women in the state, only 22,204 cared for it enough to deposit in a ballot box an affirmative answer to this question. That is… | /r/MensRights | 21/07/20 04:27 PM |
| 3 | I read somewhere that in the early 1900s woman didn't want the right to vote. Is this true?1/2 Yes, a huge amount of women disagreed with women's suffrage. Gladstone wrote in 1892 regarding the matter of women's suffrage that "there is on the part of large numbers of women who have considered the matter for themselves, the most positive objection and strong disapprobation. Is it not clear to every unbiased mind that before forcing on them what they conceive to be a fundamental change in their whole social function, that is to say in their Providential calling, at least it should be as… | /r/MensRights | 21/07/20 04:26 PM |
| 10 | FGM & MGMHey, don't I know you from Twitter? And yes, the "MGM is NOT comparable to FGM" argument is tiring. People who come to this conclusion almost always are comparing the most severe forms of FGM (such as infibulation) to circumcision. It's very faulty reasoning to compare a rare and severe form of FGM to the standard form of MGM and pretend that proves the former is "worse". Both male and female genital mutilation fall on a wide spectrum, and the harms they may entail substantially overlap. Much wo… | /r/MensRights | 20/07/20 09:31 AM |
| 3 | Apparently, "Claiming to be 'a man raped by a woman' is mocking REAL rape victims." because women don't rape men / boys, and when they do it doesn't matterI’m sorry but they don’t prove anything against my argument. Yeah, I don't have to disprove an argument you haven't bothered to offer up the evidence to prove. Burden of proof suggests you have to demonstrate your assertion. I don't have to do shit to disprove it. An assertion made without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. Still, because I have links I will offer up evidence to contradict your claim. If you wanted to link stats that actually mention gender of the perpetrator and t… | /r/MensRights | 11/07/20 03:31 AM |
| 5 | Apparently, "Claiming to be 'a man raped by a woman' is mocking REAL rape victims." because women don't rape men / boys, and when they do it doesn't matterYou know, I was thinking about linking you the stats I presented elsewhere in this thread but looking at how poorly considered and blatantly dismissive your comments are I doubt you'd care at all about being presented with statistics and evidence disproving your bogus claims. It’s just not the fucking same. "It's not the same because I say so". Okay then. Good argument. It’s just a bunch of middle-aged men whining. I’m sorry. Go cry about it lol. Why don't you slink back to TwoXChromosomes and k… | /r/MensRights | 11/07/20 02:41 AM |
| 13 | Apparently, "Claiming to be 'a man raped by a woman' is mocking REAL rape victims." because women don't rape men / boys, and when they do it doesn't matterStudies for you to use the next time someone makes these claims. Often people either assume that it's not true because "women don't do things like that!" High rates of female perpetration Women's Sexual Aggression Against Men: Prevalence and Predictors https://link.springer.com/article/10.1023/A:1024648106477#/page-1 "In this study, we investigated the prevalence of women's sexual aggression against men and examined predictors of sexual aggression in a sample of 248 women. Respondents reported t… | /r/MensRights | 10/07/20 10:34 PM |
| 2 | Coverture and wives' control over income and property.On the female side, what you get in such absolute systems like this, is things like: men cannot be charged with raping their wives. Women have the absolute responsibility to submit to their husbands, in the bedroom. Along with wives' legal inability to own property within marriage and enter into legally enforceable contracts in their own name (which as I have already argued might not have been as big a disability for married women as it is usually portrayed and was in practice usually ignored or… | /r/MensRights | 07/07/20 09:58 AM |
| 3 | A small look at clarion calls like #killallmen and how they're received over time.The Holocaust, the Rwandan genocide, the dekulakisation of the Soviet Union, you could go on and on and on listing examples in which a victimhood narrative was used to justify severe human rights violations against the denigrated group. The demonisation, the narrative of "These privileged people have been oppressing us for so long" and the legal dehumanising slander against them are cultural conditions that precede actual genocides. It doesn't matter if any of it is true. All that matters is tha… | /r/MensRights | 06/07/20 05:30 PM |
| 1 | If all men were 6'3, 225lb, and handsome, would women still believe in egalitarianism/feminism?I keep hearing people say that women in the past worked as much and as hard as men did, but historical data clearly disconfirms this. Here is the 1841 census of Great Britain. You can clearly see from this chart that the census recorded many more men and boys working compared to women and girls. https://www.visionofbritain.org.uk/census/table/GB1841OCC_M[1] 4,279,004 men 20 years of age and upwards were recorded as having an occupation compared to 1,246,585 women. That's significantly more men w… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/20 09:18 PM |
| 12 | The surprising reason female genital mutilation (FGM) is also a men's rights issueI can't believe I didn't think of that before! I've read some of Baumeister's papers (not this specific one) on sexual marketplace theory which suggests that women as a group benefit from restricting women's sexuality, and have known that FGM, especially the more extreme forms of FGM such as clitoridectomy and infibulation, is largely practiced and endorsed by women, but didn't make the connection there that FGM might be a female attempt to limit women's willingness to provide men with access to… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 29/06/20 07:05 PM |
| 6 | It is now males, rather than females, who suffer the vast majority of institutional discriminationNo. I've argued this same topic over and over with other people ad nauseam and I'm not going to do it now. All I'm going to say is that I would suggest you start doing research and properly thinking into these claims of "women's historical oppression" you seem to have bought so unquestioningly into, because the real picture isn't nearly as one-sided as it's usually portrayed. | /r/MensRights | 28/06/20 09:52 PM |
| 7 | It is now males, rather than females, who suffer the vast majority of institutional discriminationHonestly, I'm so fucking tired of this shit already. I've argued with innumerable people who are just absolutely flat-out convinced that their male ancestors were privileged, oppressive tyrants who subjugated women for their own benefit, and that women didn't have any say whatsoever in how things were back then, and they almost always cannot be convinced otherwise regardless of how much evidence against that narrative you provide them. At this point, even seeing anyone trying to push that blatan… | /r/MensRights | 28/06/20 01:41 PM |
| 4 | I'm concerned about the direction this subreddit has been going in.3/3 Side note: As a lesbian I would have probably lived with my wife all alone, what would have stopped the men of the city/village coming to me and executing me for being a witch in the 1600s? Uh, the witch hunts didn't spare anyone. Pope Innocent VIII's Bull against witchcraft explicitly stated it was being practiced by "many persons of both sexes". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Summis_desiderantes_affectibus Plenty of men were tried and killed for witchcraft. In certain places such as Iceland… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/06/20 09:52 PM |
| 3 | I'm concerned about the direction this subreddit has been going in.2/3 And obviously it goes without saying that me and my wife wouldn't even be able to vote up until recently. I know you're going to say that poor men were also not able to vote, but specifically not being able to vote due to gender is heinous. Actually, for a long time women had similar voting rights to men. In Britain in 1780, less than 3% of the population were entitled to vote in parliamentary elections. This might be surprising to you, but this technically included women who met the propert… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/06/20 09:51 PM |
| 3 | I'm concerned about the direction this subreddit has been going in.1/3 Sigh. Going to address a few of these claims, I'm going to be talking about the UK for most of these points mainly because that is my topic of interest and the place I've done most research about. Also, just because women are LEGALLY allowed to have jobs didn't mean anyone could hire me. What if I had been discriminated against? Because I'm female? What then? What if I was being paid less? Equal pay for equal work legislature wasn't being written until the 1960s I was reading a book by Joyce… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/06/20 09:50 PM |
| 5 | I'm concerned about the direction this subreddit has been going in.Also, I'm a lesbian, without feminism I wouldn't be able to work and support my family, what do you think my life would be like without feminism? The idea that women did not have the right to work is one of the biggest falsehoods I've seen feminists push. Women did have the right to work. Although most documentation from the past heavily implies that people attempted to avoid working as much as possible, there were women who did work (mostly because they had no choice but to) and there has never… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/06/20 08:14 PM |
| 13 | I'm concerned about the direction this subreddit has been going in.I would encourage you to ask real world feminists what they think instead of gravitating tolookwards believing insane people represent an entire movement. I have, and that's why I'm against feminism. Feminism is not simply "a movement for women's rights", it's an ideology with certain beliefs about gender, most of which I disagree with. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/06/20 05:50 PM |
| 3 | I'm concerned about the direction this subreddit has been going in.I'm definitely not trying to condemn the whole subreddit, and am not saying everyone here thinks the same way. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/06/20 05:34 PM |
| 11 | I'm concerned about the direction this subreddit has been going in.And the reason criticising feminism has to be limited is because in many other MRA hubs, it quickly becomes a guy's only personality to froth with rage at either feminism in abstract or specific feminisms and feminists and feminist things. Saying "criticising feminism has to be limited because many MRAs' only personality is frothing with rage at feminism" is not a valid argument. Honestly, I can understand many MRAs' frustrations with feminism, and not only that, we're never going to get anythin… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/06/20 04:28 PM |
| 11 | I really don't think women understand the dating experiences of young menThat description of BPD is not a good description of the condition, IMO. BPD is theorised to be a manifestation of the "extreme female brain", whereas autism, in contrast, is theorised to be the "extreme male brain". This seems plausible, given that BPD has a female-biased sex ratio, whereas ASD has a male-biased sex ratio. BPD sufferers tend to hyper-mentalize, also referred to as excessive theory of mind. It is defined as a social-cognitive process that involves making assumptions about other … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/06/20 08:25 PM |
| 3 | Men, women and FeminismConventions = a way in which something is usually done. Social norms and practices, etc. | /r/MensRights | 23/06/20 04:31 PM |
| 8 | Men, women and FeminismWomen were not barred from being educated. A comment from u/w1g2 answers your question well. Here is a timeline of women's higher education. The first woman to graduate from a university was in the 1200s in Italy. Here is a timeline of women's education in the U.S. "In Colonial America elementary education was widespread in New England, but limited elsewhere. New England Puritans believed it was necessary to study the Bible, so boys and girls were taught to read at an early age. By 1750, nearly … | /r/MensRights | 23/06/20 04:28 PM |
| 5 | Men, women and FeminismPerfect example is the vote in the US: majority of women didn't want it because at the time they understood it came with responsibilities like the draft and the bucket brigade which they didn't want anything to do with. Something similar happened in Britain. A huge amount of women disagreed with women's suffrage. Gladstone wrote in 1892 regarding the matter of women's suffrage that "there is on the part of large numbers of women who have considered the matter for themselves, the most positive ob… | /r/MensRights | 23/06/20 03:36 PM |
| 2 | QUESTION: Is there gender parity in rape? What are the strongest evidence to suggest it?I've seen you going all over r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates asking about the Matilda effect, so hopefully this answer will be satisfactory to you. The Matilda effect really sounds like cherrypicking to me. It's probably not hard to find a few examples of cases in which a woman's scientific contributions were attributed to a male counterpart. But these cases are not enough to prove that women are uniquely prone to suffering this treatment because of their gender. Similarly, you could also find examples … | /r/MensRights | 19/06/20 06:40 AM |
| 3 | Marriage settlements, trusts and married women's property rights in an era of coverture.Yes there will definitely be more posts like these in the future. I saw your questions, I'll be getting to them soon but need time to find the sources I have on the topic and draft what I would consider a proper response. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/06/20 02:48 PM |
| 3 | Marriage settlements, trusts and married women's property rights in an era of coverture.I initially wanted to make this into a text post, but it exceeded the character limit for a post on Reddit. So I had to put it elsewhere (like this blog post), and post it as a link. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/06/20 02:39 PM |
| 6 | Marriage settlements, trusts and married women's property rights in an era of coverture.A blog post I made about the topic of how women could keep their property rights even under coverture, with a lot of detail that was absent in my previous posts about the topic. The laws surrounding marriage in the past are extremely complicated, and there seem to have been many ways in which married women were allowed to circumvent their disabilities. | /r/MensRights | 18/06/20 01:29 PM |
| 15 | Marriage settlements, trusts and married women's property rights in an era of coverture.A blog post I made about the topic of how women could keep their property rights even under coverture, with a lot of detail that was absent in my previous posts about the topic. The laws surrounding marriage in the past are extremely complicated, and there seem to have been many ways in which married women were allowed to circumvent their disabilities. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/06/20 01:27 PM |
| 3 | QUESTION: Is there gender parity in rape? What are the strongest evidence to suggest it?Not exactly sure what your question is, but the idea that women are kept out of science or that their accomplishments are downplayed because of sexism is one of the dumbest grievances I've heard in a while. This study by Williams and Ceci attempted to tease out sex bias in hiring. Here is an article where they discuss their findings. They created fictional candidate profiles identical in every respect except for sex, and asked faculty to rank these candidates for a tenure-track job. They tested … | /r/MensRights | 18/06/20 06:59 AM |
| 2 | QUESTION: Is there gender parity in rape? What are the strongest evidence to suggest it?Yeah sure, what is it? | /r/MensRights | 17/06/20 02:07 PM |
| 5 | QUESTION: Is there gender parity in rape? What are the strongest evidence to suggest it?2/2 Studies demonstrating roughly gender parity in sexual assault victimisation (cont.) Even in the Arab world, a pattern of gender symmetry emerges. Prevalence of Key Forms of Violence Against Adolescents in the Arab Region: A Systematic30399-9/pdf) Review30399-9/pdf) A 2018 review of the data surrounding violence against adolescents in the Middle East. It provides a thorough summary of available evidence on violence against adolescents in the Arab region. It has this to say about sex differenc… | /r/MensRights | 17/06/20 05:44 AM |
| 5 | QUESTION: Is there gender parity in rape? What are the strongest evidence to suggest it?1/2 Studies demonstrating roughly gender parity in sexual assault victimisation The CDC's National Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence Surveys. Here's one everybody knows. The National Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence Surveys. While the lifetime stats show a larger gender gap, if you look at the (more reliable and relevant) past year numbers for rape and made to penetrate from the NISVS, all the reports show that in the year prior to the study roughly equal proportions of men and women were… | /r/MensRights | 17/06/20 05:41 AM |
| 4 | Are there any stats on men's issues in Palestine, or the Middle East?Crossposting here to bring some attention to some of the stats and reports I linked in the comments below that post (The OP already crossposted on r/MensRights, so I didn't bother posting there). | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/06/20 03:01 AM |
| 3 | How much do you actually know about the anatomy of the foreskin?The worst cases of MGM involve penises and testes being cut off. Castration and penis removal does still happen in the modern day. IMO, it is worse than all of the major forms of FGM, none of which completely remove reproductive ability like castration and penis removal does. A lot of times, it is done in the context of sex slavery of boys. "An article in the Gulf Times revealed in 2005 a major sex trade in mostly Nepalese boys who were lured to India and sold to brothels in Mumbai, Hyderabad, N… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/06/20 06:08 AM |
| 3 | Why does r/communism hate usPretty sure he goes by u/DavidByron2 now. He has posted on r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates recently. I don't agree with a lot of his politics, but god damn if he's not a juggernaut when it comes to his men's rights activism (and antifeminism). | /r/MensRights | 13/06/20 12:18 PM |
| 2 | What effect do certain feminist campaigns have on you?their husband is legally permitted to beat them That is a very one sided take about how things are in the Middle East. Women do have protections there. The articles of Iranian family law, which is based on Sharia, state that if the situation in the home poses a risk of physical or financial injury to the wife, or even just injury to her dignity, she may leave the home, set up house elsewhere, and demand her husband continue to pay all of her expenses, including servants if she's become accustome… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/06/20 02:31 AM |
| 20 | What effect do certain feminist campaigns have on you?I started out being uncomfortable with feminism, then disagreeing with it, then absolutely outright despising it. Their rhetoric about male privilege and female subordination never really fit with much of the gendered dynamics I saw emerge between men and women, and I was always uncomfortable with it. I was also aware that a lot of people believed that rhetoric was an accurate view of society, which was extremely strange and surreal to me. Not to play the victim card too much, but since the ques… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 12/06/20 04:05 AM |
| 1 | Ideology vs movement: my response to a post called "Feminism is a dogma"I've seen that kind of thing everywhere. I took a management course in uni and the required reading promoted ideas like "male privilege", the mythical "glass ceiling", etc. SJW thought has seeped into every crack of society, even places that seem on its face as if it should be free of this shit. | /r/MensRights | 12/06/20 12:08 AM |
| 7 | Ideology vs movement: my response to a post called "Feminism is a dogma"When I have done research about women in the Middle East or women 100+ years ago I also find that a lot of the feminist rhetoric about these topics is pure fucking bullshit. At least, their ideas about "male oppression of women" in these countries or in these times are bullshit. I wouldn't let them get away with making their typical claims about these topics. When women are denied choices and freedom, so are men. In traditional societies both sexes follow quite restricted gender roles. That soci… | /r/MensRights | 05/06/20 03:29 PM |
| 14 | What happened to Karen Straughan?I'm pretty sure she's fine. Her Reddit username is u/girlwriteswhat and she's been making posts and comments on that account nearly daily (currently, she seems to have temporarily moved away from talking about men's issues and antifeminism, instead she's been engaging more in discussion about COVID-19 and the lockdowns). | /r/MensRights | 04/06/20 07:38 AM |
| 25 | A Relevant Quote from Orwell's 1984I've been thinking about this relevant quote from Theodore Dalrymple: "In my study of communist societies, I came to the conclusion that the purpose of communist propaganda was not to persuade or convince, not to inform, but to humiliate; and therefore, the less it corresponded to reality the better. When people are forced to remain silent when they are being told the most obvious lies, or even worse when they are forced to repeat the lies themselves, they lose once and for all their sense of pr… | /r/MensRights | 04/06/20 05:44 AM |
| 15 | Ideology vs movement: my response to a post called "Feminism is a dogma"[I've been asked to copy and paste my original response to your comment here, so here we go] The feminist movement should have disbanded at that point, but instead it morphed into the ideology of feminism. The feminist movement did not morph into the ideology of feminism. It had a rotten ideology right from the beginning, right as far back as 1848 when they published their absolutely disgusting Declaration of Sentiments declaring men as the oppressor of women. "The history of mankind is a histor… | /r/MensRights | 02/06/20 04:49 AM |
| 10 | Feminism is a dogmaThe feminist movement should have disbanded at that point, but instead it morphed into the ideology of feminism. The feminist movement did not morph into the ideology of feminism. It had a rotten ideology right from the beginning, right as far back as 1848 when they published their absolutely disgusting Declaration of Sentiments declaring men as the oppressor of women. "The history of mankind is a history of repeated injuries and usurpation on the part of man toward woman, having in direct objec… | /r/MensRights | 31/05/20 03:12 PM |
| 9 | Should we allow *real* women's issues to be discussed?For example, in the middle east women in many countries are treated terribly. And in the Middle East men are treated like kings? Sorry, but I'm getting real fucking tired of hearing only about how women are victimised in these countries over and over and over again and hearing nothing about the situation for men. A lot of the problems in these countries that are depicted as "gendered" problems aren't really gendered at all, and the norms and roles which are gendered don't only affect women negat… | /r/MensRights | 31/05/20 02:14 AM |
| 10 | New in the subreddit, curious about harassment received hereLike the real amount of feminists, or trolls or other just dropping in to slam down nonsense. Feminists and SJWs come here and brigade enough to regularly piss me off - you can't go a day without seeing some fucking asshole spewing bullshit all over a thread. Then when they get called out by angry users, they play the victim and portray that disagreement as evidence of all the evil, horrible misogyny present in this sub. It's very tiring. | /r/MensRights | 28/05/20 03:08 AM |
| 3 | Circumcision is still mutilation even if FGM is worse.3/3 Here are the promised sources on castration and penis removal in the modern day. A lot of times, it is done in the context of sex slavery of boys. "An article in the Gulf Times revealed in 2005 a major sex trade in mostly Nepalese boys who were lured to India and sold to brothels in Mumbai, Hyderabad, New Delhi, Lucknow and Gorakhpur. One victim was lured from Nepal at the age of 14, sold into slavery, locked up, beaten, starved, and forcibly castrated. He reported that he was held in a brot… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/05/20 09:48 PM |
| 4 | Circumcision is still mutilation even if FGM is worse.2/3 Now let's look at the range of practices that could be described as "male genital mutilation" or MGM. "Nontherapeutic MGC ranges from ritual pricking (e.g., hatafat dam brit), to piercing, scraping the inside of the urethra, bloodletting, shaft scarring, and/or foreskin slitting (among, e.g., various ethnic groups in Papua New Guinea) [11], to circumcision as it is traditionally performed on male newborns in Judaism and generally in the United States (tearing of the membrane that fuses the i… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/05/20 09:46 PM |
| 5 | Circumcision is still mutilation even if FGM is worse.1/3 No, FGM is not worse. I've seen a lot of pure stupidity and bullshit trotted out by people who believe that there is a world of difference between FGM and MGM, who believe that FGM is a serious issue whereas MGM is nothing big to be concerned about, and it needs to stop. It really does. There are four major types of FGM as classified by the WHO Type I — Partial or total removal of the clitoris and/or the prepuce (clitoridectomy). When it is important to distinguish between the major variatio… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/05/20 09:46 PM |
| 6 | Patriarchy doesn't existThat comment is quite misleading. Even if I were to gloss over the idea inherent in your comment that rape victims are predominantly female and that rapists are predominantly male (which is a questionable stance to take considering some of the statistics, BTW), your comment misinterprets what Islamic law actually lays out with regards to rape. The required testimony of four male witnesses having seen the actual penetration applies to illicit sexual relations like adultery and fornication, not to… | /r/MensRights | 25/05/20 09:24 PM |
| 2 | ExhaustedThat sounds like a good idea and a YouTube channel would definitely be a good place to put one's points where it has the potential to be seen by more people (again, I'd watch if you put out videos). I've been thinking about making videos as well, although I've been debating as to whether or not I should show my face in them. Putting your face behind your thoughts and opinions is helpful in that it humanises you and may get people to consider your points more seriously, but it's also a considerab… | /r/MensRights | 25/05/20 08:10 AM |
| 3 | In a legal first, a Toronto teen has been charged with terrorism for his alleged support of the misogynist “incel ideology” in the daylight stabbing death of a 24-year-old woman at a North York massage parlour earlier this year. /OP/ What are your guys thoughts?Lol, they are not "my guys". Do you think we're a hivemind? Just because some other user here thinks that the CDC isn't an accurate source doesn't mean I must also think the same simply by being on the same subreddit. This is a really lazy and intellectually dishonest cop-out from you, but I wouldn't expect less. I have also cited you many other sources other than the CDC source, BTW. | /r/MensRights | 20/05/20 06:57 PM |
| 4 | In a legal first, a Toronto teen has been charged with terrorism for his alleged support of the misogynist “incel ideology” in the daylight stabbing death of a 24-year-old woman at a North York massage parlour earlier this year. /OP/ What are your guys thoughts?I have no idea what you're trying to argue here. I cited you the CDC's National Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence Surveys which clearly show in its past year numbers that roughly equal proportions of males and females are forced into sex. This contradicts your claim that "most rape victims are female". Maybe try to address what people are actually saying next time. | /r/MensRights | 20/05/20 06:32 PM |
| 4 | In a legal first, a Toronto teen has been charged with terrorism for his alleged support of the misogynist “incel ideology” in the daylight stabbing death of a 24-year-old woman at a North York massage parlour earlier this year. /OP/ What are your guys thoughts?2/2 High rates of female perpetration of sexual aggression Many studies not only show a huge amount of male victims, but also a disturbing number of female perpetrators. Women's Sexual Aggression Against Men: Prevalence and Predictors https://link.springer.com/article/10.1023/A:1024648106477#/page-1 In this study, we investigated the prevalence of women's sexual aggression against men and examined predictors of sexual aggression in a sample of 248 women. Respondents reported their use of aggress… | /r/MensRights | 20/05/20 06:26 PM |
| 7 | In a legal first, a Toronto teen has been charged with terrorism for his alleged support of the misogynist “incel ideology” in the daylight stabbing death of a 24-year-old woman at a North York massage parlour earlier this year. /OP/ What are your guys thoughts?1/2 Reputable sources. You want reputable sources. Okay. Studies demonstrating roughly gender parity in sexual assault The CDC's National Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence Surveys. Here's one everybody knows. The National Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence Surveys. In the CDC's report, the rape numbers in these studies do not cover all victims of forced sex, they only cover victims who were forcibly penetrated by a perpetrator. If a man was forced to penetrate a perpetrator, this would not … | /r/MensRights | 20/05/20 06:26 PM |
| 3 | Just because they are men doesn't mean they don't have emotions smhWhy are you editing your comments to something entirely different from what you've originally said? The thread is now completely incoherent. | /r/MensRights | 18/05/20 08:13 PM |
| 5 | Toxicity in MRA: This type of garbage makes the entire sub look like poisonu/Lethn Thought you might like to see this, you appear to have really triggered someone. | /r/MensRights | 17/05/20 11:42 PM |
| 3 | Fake Feminist “Accomplishments”Tangentially related, but I was reading a book called "Gender, Work and Wages in Industrial Revolution-era Britain" and many workers during that time period were not paid per unit of time, but per unit of output (piece-rates). For example, weavers were paid per unit of cloth, rather than per day. In domestic industry employers could not accurately measure the amount of time the workers put in, and paid the workers for their output. And apparently for some trades and industries equal pay laws hav… | /r/MensRights | 13/05/20 07:44 PM |
| 5 | Texas teacher, 29, AVOIDS prison despite pleading guilty to charges stemming from accusations she had sex with a student 10 times then seduced and fondled a second teen in a public park (2017)Agreed. | /r/MensRights | 09/05/20 09:19 PM |
| 4 | Texas teacher, 29, AVOIDS prison despite pleading guilty to charges stemming from accusations she had sex with a student 10 times then seduced and fondled a second teen in a public park (2017)Not always. There are plenty of countries where it is impossible for a woman to be charged with rape. Not sure exactly which countries u/sakura_drop is thinking of but here are some examples: In England and Wales, rape is specifically defined as penetration with a penis. Section 1 of the Sexual Offences Act 2003 states with regards to rape that: (1) A person (A) commits an offence if - (a) he intentionally penetrates the vagina, anus or mouth of another person (B) with his penis, (b) B does not … | /r/MensRights | 09/05/20 07:50 PM |
| 13 | We should engage in conversation with feministWe should engage in conversation with feminist Edit: r/feminism removed the post. I believe you're coming here in good faith but given that they removed your post suggesting they engage with the other side (and given that we haven't) surely you can see the impossibility of trying to engage with feminists. They're ideologues who don't want to engage with people that have differing opinions and they don't want to concede anything. They simply want to monopolise the discourse surrounding gender so … | /r/MensRights | 09/05/20 10:05 AM |
| 6 | This is just a reminder that the "Violence Against Women Act" in the US equally covers male victimsWhen VAWA was initially passed the law was written in a way that cut male victims out of support services and legal assistance in many passages. It is true though that many anti-discrimination provisions apply to the Violence Against Women Act. VAWA-funded grants are governed by the Omnibus Crime Control and Safe Streets Act of 1968 which states: "No person in any State shall on the ground of race, color, religion, national origin, or sex be excluded from participation in, be denied the benefits… | /r/MensRights | 06/05/20 05:41 PM |
| 7 | Domestic abuse soars in Japan, and it’s men reporting women for the violence - The number of male complaints of domestic violence increase eight-fold in four years, but a recent survey suggests figures may be far higher. Interesting as Japan has a very different culture to the westAlso, notice the standard, bringing up bullshit from 1000s of years ago as if everyone is the same as they were in the past. They didn't give a single citation for their claim regarding women in Japan in 1500. Given how unreliable and one-sided feminists' description of history tends to be, I'm not going to believe it until I see proof. And even if it was true that women who hit their husbands in 1500 got that treatment, if their husbands got just as bad or worse punishments for wife-beating I c… | /r/MensRights | 04/05/20 03:51 PM |
| 8 | Domestic abuse soars in Japan, and it’s men reporting women for the violence - The number of male complaints of domestic violence increase eight-fold in four years, but a recent survey suggests figures may be far higher. Interesting as Japan has a very different culture to the westI'm going to watch that video soon. Also, I noticed that the OP, the one attempting to excuse women's abuse against their husbands as simply "the violence of the oppressed class", didn't provide any citations or evidence for their claims. The whole thing can be basically summed up as a feminist screed lamenting the fact that married women in Japan fill the role of stay-at-home moms and how this supposedly means they have it as bad as slaves, without a single thought about what the men there are … | /r/MensRights | 04/05/20 02:26 PM |
| 6 | What's with all the "moderate" concern trolls asking us to please be more supportive of feminism?No problem. Just as a heads up, I went back to edit my comment to include more information in it. | /r/MensRights | 02/05/20 09:00 AM |
| 21 | What's with all the "moderate" concern trolls asking us to please be more supportive of feminism?Women are not oppressed in Asian, African, or even Middle Eastern countries. In these countries, they live longer and report better wellbeing than men (and are less likely to be killed, BTW). Here is the World Happiness Report 2015. This report was initially commissioned by the UN in 2012 and carried out by independent experts. Worldwide data comes primarily from the Gallup World Poll. The 2015 version includes a breakdown by sex for the first time, in chapter 3. Here the Cantril Ladder measure … | /r/MensRights | 02/05/20 08:34 AM |
| 24 | Besides maybe the first panel, would anyone else be flattered if I got even one of these said to me? Better than not hearing compliments for years at a timeI would enjoy receiving every one of these. You know you're a fucking snowflake when even compliments offend you. | /r/MensRights | 30/04/20 01:55 PM |
| 7 | “Intersectionality” seems to suddenly stop existing in mainstream liberals’ minds regarding menYou could, but to be perfectly honest I would prefer if you didn't. He'd probably respond and I don't particularly feel like dealing with that shit right now. It's fucking annoying. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/04/20 10:44 AM |
| 2 | "Public and Private Politics: Women in the Middle Eastern World"Wow, great critique. /s I provided a source for my assertions. If you actually read the article I linked you'll see that all of my points are supported by the literature. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/04/20 07:31 AM |
| 20 | “Intersectionality” seems to suddenly stop existing in mainstream liberals’ minds regarding menI had an argument along these lines with someone arguing female oppression here. https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/g3l1d1/public_and_private_politics_women_in_the_middle/foowmfz/?context=3 He claimed that women were being killed and victimised in third-world countries (or at the very least his third-world country), and attempted to portray it as evidence of the oppression of women. When I provided evidence to him that in nearly all countries, including third-world countries, men were … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/04/20 06:59 AM |
| 4 | Anyone notice how conservative women are emphatic towards men than liberal women?Sure traditionalism is bad in it's own right I don't like either, but feminism is infinity worse because it directly teaches women to hate men. Of course feminists deny this, but that's because they themselves don't even know what they're being taught. Most of them are completely incapable of extrapolation. Feminists believe that society is or was characterised by Patriarchy, which is a system based on male dominance and privilege and female subordination and oppression. So, well, males are domi… | /r/MensRights | 30/04/20 02:59 AM |
| 16 | Violence against menWhat a piece of fucking shit. | /r/MensRights | 29/04/20 05:53 PM |
| 6 | What are some things which men feel but don't talk about?Yeah, the cinemas and theatres offer a free ride home to women after 10PM if they can’t find a cab for their safety, but nothing for us. Damn people! We can get robbed too! Actually, men are statistically far more often robbed, assaulted or killed than women are. ~80% of homicide victims worldwide are men. When they provide these services to women and exclude men from them what they are essentially doing is providing services for the sole use of the statistically safest group (women), and exclud… | /r/MensRights | 29/04/20 04:29 PM |
| 1 | Please go see the post, The comments are ridiculousThey’re accusing him of probably being a serial killer. Oh. LOL, that is indeed a ridiculous accusation. | /r/MensRights | 29/04/20 06:06 AM |
| 2 | Please go see the post, The comments are ridiculousHaven't gone into the thread and read the comments but from the sound of it he needs to relax, the dog might have been irritating but his response seemed to be extremely disproportionate to the offence. I can understand disciplining a dog for bad behaviour but taking it to the point where something is broken is too far IMO. I somewhat doubt he'll be as rough with his newborn, it is his own biological offspring after all and people have an evolved inclination to want to ensure the wellbeing of th… | /r/MensRights | 29/04/20 05:59 AM |
| 8 | I've been wrong about the "Wage Gap". Wages vs EarningsTo sum up, there is both a wage gap and an earnings gap. The oft-quoted "77 cents on the dollar" figure is an earnings gap as the calculation of that figure includes earnings outside of work. However, there IS a wage gap as well in that men on average do pull in higher earnings from work than women. Both gaps, however, are simply the difference between the average amount that a full time working man makes and a full time working woman makes. Neither takes into account the differential choices wh… | /r/MensRights | 28/04/20 05:39 PM |
| 16 | Quiz: who said it? A suffragette or a kkk member?Feminists should be reminded of the words of their founding ‘mothers’ - this is exactly why I am not a feminist, they still hold the same hateful, illogical beliefs and use the same vulgar language and threats against a whole section of society simply based on their genitalia and those who dare to hold different opinions. Their Declaration of Sentiments, published in 1848 and signed by 68 women and 32 men at the first women's rights convention to be organised by women is a good example of how ha… | /r/MensRights | 28/04/20 02:14 AM |
| 2 | What is this person I'm debating with trying to say? Genuinely curious.Yep. Which is why offering up statistics and information to disprove claims about female oppression like I did in the thread linked is pointless, because they just double down on their opinion. Sorry, I'm really frustrated and I don't know why I still do it, really. Banging my head against a brick wall would probably be a more productive endeavour. | /r/MensRights | 27/04/20 06:58 PM |
| 2 | I can't take this sub anymore."You all need to accept that there's horrible evil misogyny in this sub! I can't substantiate my claims and when questioned will adamantly refuse to provide a single example of the misogyny I'm supposedly referring to, but there's SO MUCH misogyny in here it makes me sick!" Fucking hell, how many of these idiotic threads have we got in the past month alone? | /r/MensRights | 27/04/20 03:02 PM |
| 5 | What is this person I'm debating with trying to say? Genuinely curious.As we were debating their comments progressively became more and more nonsensical as the thread went along. I realise that English isn't this person's first language, but I still cannot for the life of me understand what they're arguing towards the end of it. | /r/MensRights | 27/04/20 01:05 PM |
| 7 | "Public and Private Politics: Women in the Middle Eastern World"Uh, wut? | /r/MensRights | 27/04/20 12:40 PM |
| 9 | "Public and Private Politics: Women in the Middle Eastern World"Men are facing lots of difficulties throughout their entire lives, I gave a horrible example for this fact, but you still are trying to portrate it as a gender issue. First of all these problems are class-based So to sum up, because I'm having trouble understanding you: To you, all the issues that men face are only ever class issues and all the issues that women face are issues of gender. This just screams that you think victimisation of women is more severe than victimisation of men because rea… | /r/MensRights | 27/04/20 12:38 PM |
| 7 | "Public and Private Politics: Women in the Middle Eastern World"I read all the links, but especially one link caught my attention: the wikipedia link about homicide rates. I'm wondering that are these statistics contain domestic violences or all kind of murders? They are information about all kinds of murders, not solely domestic homicide. So, we are in a class situation, not a gender. They're not killed because women have more privilege which saves them from hard-working, which is there is not actually, If it was only a class issue and not a gender issue at… | /r/MensRights | 27/04/20 11:30 AM |
| 7 | "Public and Private Politics: Women in the Middle Eastern World"But that doesn't mean women are privileged, young women often oppressed by older women like by men. These older women are like they switched their bodies with their man counterparts. My mother was often oppressed and discriminated by her mother. These mothers oppress their daughters because they also oppressed by their mother and mother-in-law. In general this conflicts with what I've seen. I grew up in a third-world country but have been around the world and what I have generally seen is that b… | /r/MensRights | 27/04/20 12:40 AM |
| 4 | "Public and Private Politics: Women in the Middle Eastern World"The majority of women in the church do not want the priesthood and there are only a small group of feminist-influenced LDS women who say that women should have the priesthood. Yeah, a trend I've noticed is that most women by and large do not want to be in male positions. Men seek out these positions of overt power and authority as women generally look for men with higher social status than them, thus getting to be in such a position would mean that he would be more reproductively successful. Thi… | /r/MensRights | 24/04/20 03:09 AM |
| 1 | Learning about men's rights. 4 things I now know more about because of joining this subreddit.Looking forward to it. | /r/MensRights | 22/04/20 02:18 AM |
| 5 | Court bias and legal discrimination against men (list of sources)No wait- I tihink it is this article that purports to show women receive longer sentences for killing a domestic partner. This article asserts that a 1989 study published by the National Coalition Against Domestic Violence showed that "the average prison sentence for men who kill their female partners is two to six years... [and that] women who kill their partners are sentenced on average to 15 years." I attempted to find the actual study in order to look at the methodology which was being used,… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/04/20 02:06 AM |
| 4 | Court bias and legal discrimination against men (list of sources)I see u/Oncefa2 has already cited you the BJS numbers showing that men get longer sentences for killing a partner than women. There are other stats showing that men are more harshly punished in cases of domestic homicide as well. Here's a paper out of the UK from the Home Office Research and Statistics Department. It contains very detailed information on how men and women are treated in cases of domestic homicide and I thought you would like to have it. It asserts that "differences do exist in t… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/04/20 02:01 AM |
| 3 | Lying about dataAw, you should've left it up. This is a perfect display of just how idiotic and ideological the feminists who come here can be. | /r/MensRights | 21/04/20 10:26 AM |
| 4 | Lying about dataYeah, I'm done talking to this guy. | /r/MensRights | 21/04/20 05:58 AM |
| 8 | Lying about dataActually, nowhere in that comment did I refer to all types of sexual violence. I was referring to the fact that men are victimised more in the context of being forced into non-consensual sex. Seriously, I thought it would be obvious given the data I was using, and given that my previous reply to you talked about nonconsensual sex and nonconsensual sex only. | /r/MensRights | 21/04/20 05:50 AM |
| 8 | Lying about dataExcept that isn't what I was arguing. I was arguing that men are forced to have non-consensual sex more than women by looking at the rape and forced to penetrate statistics, and the data DOES support that point. I said nothing about sexual violence as a whole. Nice strawman, though. | /r/MensRights | 21/04/20 05:38 AM |
| 8 | Lying about dataExcept that we were not talking about sexual violence as a whole, we were talking specifically about being forced into non-consensual sex. Rape as well as made to penetrate are the two categories in the NISVS which capture that. So yes. | /r/MensRights | 21/04/20 05:29 AM |
| 5 | Lying about dataActually, you could use the data to support the claim that men are victimised more than women as well. The NISVS State Report (I believe this is what u/bufedad was referring to in the original discussion) averages the three years' worth of results from 2010-2012. https://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/pdf/NISVS-StateReportBook.pdf If you look at the averaged past year numbers, 1.2% of women were raped and 1.5% of men were made to penetrate. You can confirm these numbers with some simple maths. A… | /r/MensRights | 21/04/20 05:17 AM |
| 4 | Lying about dataLol, think whatever you want. | /r/MensRights | 21/04/20 05:05 AM |
| 6 | Lying about dataThe numbers you have presented are the lifetime numbers, which are far less reliable than past year numbers due to inaccurate recall. Furthermore, lifetime numbers have decades long lag thus it doesn't faithfully represent what is CURRENTLY happening. Basically, past year numbers are more reliable and relevant. If you look at the past year numbers from the NISVS, for the years 2010, 2011 and 2012 just as many men were forced into nonconsensual sex as women. Here is a table (source) to easily dem… | /r/MensRights | 21/04/20 05:00 AM |
| 5 | Lying about dataBoth "forced penetration" and "made to penetrate" are ways in which you could force someone to have non-consensual sex. Just because the study doesn't have a specific category called "forced to have non consensual sex" which takes into account both the forced penetration and made to penetrate numbers does not mean you can't draw inferences about it from the findings. | /r/MensRights | 21/04/20 04:41 AM |
| 6 | Lying about dataNo one is manipulating these statistics. We are faithfully reporting what the stats show and you're dismissing it on the basis that it doesn't support your ideological viewpoint. Looking at your conversations in this thread, it's clear you have no clue what the statistics are actually saying or how they are calculated. Yet you still choose to spew bullshit about it anyway. Sad. | /r/MensRights | 21/04/20 04:40 AM |
| 2 | Learning about men's rights. 4 things I now know more about because of joining this subreddit.There was always choice on the part of women, both men and women had a hand in creating and enforcing a society's norms (which are usually in one way or another based on the necessary gendered division of labour that has always existed, even in hunter-gatherer societies). Their idea that women were ever excluded from anything resembling a power process and thus had no say in how society was structured is a horrible misinterpretation of reality. Women were always able to influence public sphere m… | /r/MensRights | 21/04/20 04:16 AM |
| 11 | For men it’s ok. For women it’s bad.I think you mean there are different variants of MGM. Circumcision is defined specifically as removal of the foreskin and is only one specific subset of things that we could consider MGM. And circumcision is similar in severity to, or more severe than, certain types of FGM. There are four major types of FGM as classified by the WHO Type I — Partial or total removal of the clitoris and/or the prepuce (clitoridectomy). When it is important to distinguish between the major variations of Type I muti… | /r/MensRights | 20/04/20 10:57 AM |
| 9 | When was the last time any of you got a compliment?Not that I really mind, but it's been long enough since I received a compliment in real life I can't really remember the last time I got one. | /r/MensRights | 19/04/20 03:19 PM |
| 3 | Learning about men's rights. 4 things I now know more about because of joining this subreddit.Feminism is not and never has been about equality for both sexes. Someone explained this way better than I could in another thread. Do you think it would be okay for me to repost the explanation if I quote it exactly and give due credit? I'd say so. | /r/MensRights | 17/04/20 04:24 AM |
| 6 | Reading everything about "equality" on here and everywhere else genuinely makes me want to kill myselfSeconded. I've stopped trying to engage with these people. I used to try to do it a lot thinking that discourse and openness was important and now, to be honest I'd rather nail my dick to a burning building then try to talk to some of these ideologues. They won't listen to anything you have to say, it's a waste of time. | /r/MensRights | 15/04/20 12:12 AM |
| 3 | For those who are experts in history (or know history), were patriarchal societies as oppressive to women as others make it out to be? And I mean in general, not just a specific society.Gendered infanticide should never, ever happen, and is overwhelmingly committed against girls in the present. The societies in which those infanticides happen in greater numbers are backwards and cruel. You should have a look at the stats on this topic, it kind of contradicts this picture. https://link.springer.com/content/pdf/10.1007%2FBF00791532.pdf sci-hub link: sci-hub.tw/10.1007/BF00791532 "Males are murdered at a higher rate than females in the world. Among babies this discrepancy is reduc… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/04/20 05:34 AM |
| 6 | Why do you expect for feminists to help your rights if you do nothing but shit talk them. Do you think that attacking a group is going to make the want to help you?I think you've misunderstood. I don't want feminists to do anything for men's rights at this point. I don't even want them to fucking touch the topic of "men's advocacy" because they'd fuck it up like they do everything else as their whole understanding of gender and how it operates in society is faulty. Literally all I want them to do is to stop monopolising the gender discourse and to stop silencing and shaming dissenters who express disagreement with what they say or what they do. I want them… | /r/MensRights | 13/04/20 07:00 AM |
| 7 | For those who are experts in history (or know history), were patriarchal societies as oppressive to women as others make it out to be? And I mean in general, not just a specific society.You need to take a look at the source u/Oncefa2 has linked you. Both in (English) historical societies and England in the 1700s to modern day women had plenty of rights. This might surprise you but looking through the legal records of early English society indicates that the laws regarding women in these "ancient societies" were in some ways actually less restrictive than even coverture was (which only came about later, after the Norman Conquest of England). In the oldest written laws of England… | /r/MensRights | 11/04/20 03:44 PM |
| 7 | One more question: Most mens rights problems are caused by other men so why do so many MRAs hate women?You have completely and utterly failed to address the arguments which u/thereslcjg2000 and u/LacklustreFriend have made. The majority of the responses you have made in this entire thread involves you lazily spamming "All that is because of men" without offering up any evidence to prove your assertion. You seem to be unable to see that your entire argument hinges on a baseless assumption that men, and only men, create and maintain "the system" and that women do not exercise influence whatsoever. … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/04/20 05:34 PM |
| 3 | Question on feminist perspective on objectification and harassmentA woman who has sex, and only gets sex in return, is said to be "taken advantage of". I think that narrative is dishonest and leads to most people starting out from an unequal perspective. People see it that way because the minimum caloric investment and relative physical risk involved in reproduction for men and women is unequal. In most mammalian species, the female is the one who bears most of the reproductive costs. The minimum caloric investment and physical risks to females in reproduction… | /r/MensRights | 07/04/20 02:30 PM |
| 6 | Continuing efforts to get leftbook and other lefty groups which aren't explicitly feminist to meet MRAs halfwayWhat? Feminists did write polemic about history, but feminist history is so twisted it isn't consistent with actual historical records. Yep. I've done so much research into history and I've found that so much of their rhetoric around women's supposed historical oppression is either misleading, one-sided or just downright wrong. Yet most people don't bother to look into the historical myths they've propagated and simply accept the dogma at face value since it's so widely believed at this point. E… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 07/04/20 01:08 AM |
| 6 | How do you respond to accusations that your critiques of feminist theory are simply a "dog whistle" code for extreme misogyny?I tell them to fuck off and come back only when they have a proper argument to make. I consider this a charitable response. If they are not willing to concede and not willing to properly address my critiques of feminist theory in good faith, choosing instead to spew invective towards me and sling ad hominem attacks about how I'm a "misogynist", then that is the kind of response their argument deserves. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/04/20 02:15 PM |
| 3 | Feminists should be allies to the men's rights movement but have instead shown themselves to be traitorsI bet a lot of men have been fed that propaganda from young. I was fed the lies as well, but I never really believed it. It was so clear to even 10-year old me that something was really wrong with feminist rhetoric, with its constant demonisation of men and fetishisation of female victimhood. I felt that the worldview it promoted about how men have been oppressing women and how men as a group constitute a net harm to women was fucked up, and really did not fit with what I saw happen in real life… | /r/MensRights | 06/04/20 05:30 AM |
| 5 | Feminists should be allies to the men's rights movement but have instead shown themselves to be traitorsOkay, how are we supposed to advocate for men without criticising feminism when feminists are standing in the way of equality in cases when sexism positively favours women (and disadvantages men) and protesting anything we do to raise awareness or strive for genuine equality in these areas? How are we supposed to gain sympathy and concern for men without criticising feminism when the fundamental basis of feminist ideology is the completely false and misandric "Patriarchy Theory" which unfairly d… | /r/MensRights | 06/04/20 02:02 AM |
| 1 | I’m curious.I agree with you. I used to think that engaging with these people was important for the sake of openness and dialogue but I've had so many discussions with "open minded feminists" who I draft really well-considered, sourced, researched responses to, for them to completely dismiss everything I've told them on the basis that it doesn't suit their worldview. More often than not they're not actually willing to learn or to change their mind, they won't be able to renounce the fundamental aspects of t… | /r/MensRights | 06/04/20 12:33 AM |
| 22 | A tweet outlining feminist dishonesty.Ah, ad hominem! Wow, you totally got me. /s | /r/MensRights | 02/04/20 02:22 PM |
| 18 | A tweet outlining feminist dishonesty.Thus far no one here has said they're always the victim. Pointing out flaws in idiotic feminist arguments is not playing the victim, the same way that pointing out the blatant misrepresentation and dishonesty in your frankly retarded comment is not playing the victim. | /r/MensRights | 02/04/20 02:14 PM |
| 2 | I love how certain individuals come on here with counter arguments and just end up embarrassing themselvesSome posters obviously aren't interested in having a fair and honest discussion though. I find that way too many posters who come here aren't interested in that. There was this obtuse fucker who commented on a post yesterday pushing the idea of "women's historical oppression" and who refused to listen to any evidence they were provided which contradicted their ideas. It's a pattern I see too often among feminists who come here to supposedly debate with people: when they're proven wrong they don'… | /r/MensRights | 29/03/20 08:11 PM |
| 4 | I love how certain individuals come on here with counter arguments and just end up embarrassing themselvesIt would be satisfying if I thought this happened but more often than not they won't realise their belief system is a farce. Many of the SJWs who come here are indoctrinated enough that they'll close their minds to any counter-evidence provided them no matter how strong. | /r/MensRights | 29/03/20 07:42 PM |
| 6 | I love how certain individuals come on here with counter arguments and just end up embarrassing themselvesOh, fuck. I've been getting irritated by them more and more recently because more often than not I find these people aren't coming here in good faith, when you try to address their counter-arguments it becomes so completely and utterly clear that they aren't actually willing to engage with you or consider a different point of view. They're here because they want to stamp their feet and tell us that we're all bad people. Many of them don't even fully read the comments I write before drafting a re… | /r/MensRights | 29/03/20 07:10 PM |
| 3 | modern feminism is completely sexistI'm not a law professor nor have I done Equity in a professional setting, I'm a layperson who's become extremely interested in these topics and who has done some pretty extensive research into it with the hope of understanding it to the best of my ability. I've quoted from a range of books and articles in this comment, it's entirely possible that you've read one of them. | /r/MensRights | 29/03/20 03:56 AM |
| 4 | modern feminism is completely sexistSo you basically cannot argue against what I posted? Typical. No. It's because if you'd actually read and understood my prior comment it would debunk a lot of the points that you copied and pasted from Wikipedia. | /r/MensRights | 29/03/20 01:56 AM |
| 6 | modern feminism is completely sexistPlease properly read my comment and my sources first. Properly engage with what I've said before you start throwing me random, tangential Wikipedia articles about how oppressed women were in general and expecting me to address them on command. Right now this is not a discourse, it's a temper tantrum on your part. | /r/MensRights | 29/03/20 01:11 AM |
| 6 | modern feminism is completely sexistI have already provided plenty of credible sources in my prior comment. These are the writings of jurists, legal scholars and historians. American lawyer and jurist Joseph Story: "Commentaries on Equity Jurisprudence, As Administered in England and America" English jurist and politician George Spence: "The Equitable Jurisdiction of the Court of Chancery" American historian, author, women's suffrage activist, and women's history archivist Mary Ritter Beard: "Woman as a Force in History" Allison A… | /r/MensRights | 29/03/20 12:48 AM |
| 6 | modern feminism is completely sexistu/Oncefa2 is correct and you didn't even read the post he linked you or the sources in it. (I'm the author of that post, by the way). Firstly, women did have the right to own property. Single women (also known as feme sole) had the same right to own property and enter into contracts as men did. It is only when they married that under the common law they became a feme covert and gave up their property rights to their husband in return for certain privileges and protections. English jurist and pol… | /r/MensRights | 29/03/20 12:10 AM |
| 4 | modern feminism is completely sexistOkay, this is a bit misleading. There were plenty of women who did participate in doing labour, however overall the number of women who worked was significantly lower than that of men. Here are numbers from the 1851 Census of Great Britain relating to occupational distribution. Occupational Category Males (thousands) Females (thousands) Percent Female Public Administration 64 3 4.5 Armed Forces 63 0 0.0 Professions 162 103 38.9 Domestic Services 193 1135 85.5 Commercial 91 0 0.0 Transportation &… | /r/MensRights | 28/03/20 11:52 PM |
| 5 | Imo, women are now the socially dominant genderWhen did the left become anti-science? When the identity left started making the assumption that there were no differences between groups and that any inequality in outcomes between the genders was a byproduct of some sort of moral malpractice which ought to be fixed. And when biological reality didn't align with their ideology, when all the empirical evidence showed that men and women had different innate propensities and preferences that drove them to make different decisions, they were so inv… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/03/20 10:18 PM |
| 4 | To what extent are men taken advantage of financially?What I think? I propose Narrative 3 as an explanation for the earnings gap: Men and women have evolved different predispositions and preferences which causes men to work more, and women to work less in favour of doing more hands-on childcare. The gap becomes very big after a certain age - the age when most couples settle down and have children. Men scale up their participation in paid work after children, and for women, it's the opposite. Men's testosterone levels get lower the moment they learn… | /r/MensRights | 22/03/20 02:23 AM |
| 8 | Are you aware that Saudi Arabia gives mothers automatic custody of children after divorce?Yes, I was aware of that. I have no great love for Islam myself but the way people portray its laws and customs as oppressing women and women alone - well, it comes off to me as extremely one-sided. People seem to hyper-focus on the restrictions on women and don't ever seem to consider the myriad responsibilities (which may in many ways be called discriminations) that are placed upon men in these countries. In Islam, a married woman’s money belongs only to her and her alone whereas a married man… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 18/03/20 11:56 AM |
| 11 | Which specific men's issues hit closest to home with you, and what can the rest of us do to help raise awareness about these important matters?Sure. What I am saying is that I don't believe that having solely or predominantly men in positions of acknowledged power necessarily makes for an unbalanced, male-centred society which favours men over women. I do not believe that in such a society, women would be unable to express their demands and negotiate for what they want. I do not believe that women were incapable of leveraging their power and influence to change things. So while it may very well be the case that men were and still are s… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/03/20 03:19 PM |
| 16 | Which specific men's issues hit closest to home with you, and what can the rest of us do to help raise awareness about these important matters?First and foremost? I want the vilification of men and masculinity to stop. I want it to be acknowledged that men are not (and have never been) a privileged oppressor class who subjugate women for their benefit, and that gender relations are not (and have never been) a men-vs-women class conflict. I want it to be acknowledged that women had power, and had just as much of a hand in shaping and enforcing "the system" as men did. I want it to be acknowledged that rape and domestic violence are crim… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/03/20 01:11 PM |
| 3 | Does anyone know more about these cases of killing by provocation: Joseph McGrail, Thomas Corlett, Bisla Singh, Jan Bednarczyk, Sara Thornton, Kiranjit Ahluwalia?I’m just interested in any more information about the individual cases or the law surrounding provocation. Some of these cases do seem to be handled quite lightly by the judges, at least going off of the information that is presented. Was this a real double standard between the treatment of men and women in the justice system with women getting harsher treatment? Is there missing information? Or is it just a handful of irregular cases that don’t prove an overall trend? Yes, it is a handful of ir… | /r/MensRights | 12/03/20 01:02 PM |
| 12 | Study found that women were more likely to be considered to be suffering from a mental disorder when they committed murder. Murder committed by men is considered to be less commonly caused by mental problems.Agents are held accountable for their actions. Moral patients, or objects, are not--they are defined by how they've been acted upon. We are predisposed to perceive men as moral agents and women as moral patients (so, objects). We see men as acting, and we see women as being acted upon. We acknowledge men as perpetrators and we shy away from acknowledging women's perpetration. When a man commits horrific acts we see him as fully responsible for his actions, whereas when a woman commits horrific a… | /r/MensRights | 12/03/20 07:06 AM |
| 2 | most feminism isnt pro women. its just anti menThere is an ample amount of evidence to be found right from the movement's inception: Don't forget their Declaration of Sentiments, published in 1848 and signed by 68 women and 32 men at the first women's rights convention to be organised by women. It's the foundational document of feminism and it's the best demonstration of how feminists have treated men as the enemy ever since its inception. "The history of mankind is a history of repeated injuries and usurpation on the part of man toward woma… | /r/MensRights | 11/03/20 05:50 AM |
| 3 | York Minster gender pay gap report for 2019 has revealed that the average pay of female members of staff was higher than that of male employees.Citizenship back then was centred around the idea of rights and responsibilities: you could not receive the rights of a citizen without also taking on the responsibilities. When the constitutionality of the draft was challenged in the 1900s, the Supreme Court of the United States ruled that the draft was constitutional on the basis that it was a reciprocal obligation on the part of the citizen to the state. That is, if the state is giving you things (safety, protection, and yes, the right to vot… | /r/MensRights | 08/03/20 03:27 PM |
| 8 | International Women's Day Is BSTo me it's also the precise polar opposite of what the original Women's Suffrage movement was about, which was for equality and harmony between both men AND women Not at all. Suffragettes were violent terrorists who believed the best way to gain the right to vote was to plant IEDs in highly populated areas throughout the British Isles. These included in banks and churches. In fact, “The first terrorist bomb to explode in Ireland in the 20th century was planted not by the IRA, but by the suffrage… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/03/20 02:56 PM |
| 9 | One of my favorite papers exploring attempts to hide research on gender symmetry in domestic violenceYeah, it's almost as if men have never had a monopoly on violence and depravity. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 08/03/20 02:35 PM |
| 7 | Happy Internation Women's dayFeminism itself isn't a bad thing and we sure have a lot to work on. Given that feminists have made it a point to promote "Patriarchy Theory" (the bullshit idea that men oppress women and have always oppressed women throughout history), AND have used these false, defamatory narratives to justify anti-male bias and gender-discriminatory legislation, I'm most definitely not going to be supporting feminism any time soon. So. Happy International Women's Day to all women who don't buy into Patriarchy… | /r/MensRights | 08/03/20 11:52 AM |
| 14 | Victim who nearly lost eye in vicious glass attack claims attacker spared jail because she is a womanWhy do I doubt the majority of the numbers and stats she cites? I don't blame you, this is the most laughable thing I've read in a long time and that is saying something. Let's break this whole article down. We know women in heterosexual relationships can be sadistic, controlling, and even homicidal. In the last year, there have been convictions for false rape accusations too. The men are left traumatised for years, some forever. It happened to a young man I know. These lives matter. Yes, based … | /r/MensRights | 07/03/20 07:24 PM |
| 3 | The Understudied Female Sexual Predator: researcher discovered that sexual victimization by women is more common than believed in 2014I'm not criticising her for it though. Progress is progress and if we can replace the patriarchal brand of feminism with the more rational "Karen DeCrow style feminism", I'd see it as a good thing. These are the kinds of feminists I'd love to "ally" with. In order for me to support feminism in any way the movement at large would have to slowly drop all of the ideological baggage it currently holds (patriarchy theory, male privilege/female oppression, the Duluth Model, rape culture, etc) and simp… | /r/MensRights | 07/03/20 04:10 PM |
| 9 | Article from 2018: "I'm a man who was raped by a woman twice my age"Posting this article because there seem to be some people who are of the opinion that it is impossible for a woman to rape a man while he is unconscious and un-consenting. This is an egregious misconception. An erection is a biological function. It can happen anytime anywhere and consent or even consciousness is not necessary. In fact, all men without erectile dysfunction get erections without stimulus when asleep. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nocturnal_penile_tumescence Given this, it is not a… | /r/MensRights | 07/03/20 10:03 AM |
| 2 | Examples of women raping men in the pre-modern era?This is really detailed, thanks. I don't think I will be restarting the discussion with her (it's like pulling teeth to get her to even consider evidence that goes against her worldview), but I'll be using this to bolster my arguments in the future. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 07/03/20 05:00 AM |
| 6 | Examples of women raping men in the pre-modern era?That being said; the bible? A fictional book isn't exactly a great example for.....anything really. I was providing an example of a clear acceptance in the literature that women could be sexually predatory against men. Yes, the Bible is fictional, but given that there are numerous examples of women's sexual coercion and abuse against men in the literature back then, for them to be writing about it kind of casts doubt on the idea that it "practically never happened". | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/03/20 03:17 PM |
| 7 | Examples of women raping men in the pre-modern era?Jesus Christ, what an awful argument. It's an especially awful argument when you consider that the basis for her "historical oppression of women" argument is the fact that marital rape wasn't considered rape in the past due to conjugal rights, and that it should've been considered rape back then like it is now and should've been punished as such. But the very second one brings up how this also allowed wives to rape husbands back then, and provides examples of how it might have been possible for … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/03/20 03:12 PM |
| 15 | Do you guys think women could handle the "man treatment"?🤔 | /r/MensRights | 06/03/20 10:02 AM |
| 4 | Was rape common in the Middle Ages?Rape was never a common thing, and was always punished severely. Kinda puts into perspective the whole women = oppressed thing, when women's interests not to be harmed were protected at least since the last 2000 years in Europe. Yes, it's very interesting that the only people who were protected from rape in any way until very recently were women. While many feminists I've talked to seem to like to raise a massive shit about how husbands had a right to have sex with their wives, few of them care … | /r/MensRights | 06/03/20 08:22 AM |
| 3 | Women to pay 50% for bus travel in Punjab, IndiaYep, and wait till feminists blame it on men and patriarchy. Like they blame any and all observed gender inequalities on, even those that are in favour of women. | /r/MensRights | 05/03/20 02:39 PM |
| 171 | Jordan Peterson absolutely obliterates radical feminist arguments in stupendous fashionThe vast majority of wealth is owned by men Nope, not true at all. The 2018 Global Wealth Report found that women currently hold 40% of global wealth. This is a substantial amount of wealth and should not be overlooked. https://www.credit-suisse.com/about-us-news/en/articles/news-and-expertise/global-wealth-report-2018-women-hold-40-percent-of-global-wealth-201810.html U.S. women in particular control about 51% of U.S. wealth or $14 trillion, which is comparable to the gross domestic products of… | /r/MensRights | 05/03/20 04:25 AM |
| 3 | What are your thoughts on Women’s history month?Not Oncefa2, but I'm very open to starting a conversation right now. What is it you want to discuss? | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/03/20 06:12 PM |
| 8 | Privilege and newbie questionsTraditionalism: "Men have the responsibility of protecting women from any harm, even at risk to their own health and wellbeing. Those who fulfil those roles are honourable, self-sacrificing and should be respected and built up." Feminism: "Men have the responsibility of protecting women from any harm, even at risk to their own health and wellbeing. Also, they're assholes who should feel never-ending guilt for being born male. Men can be blamed for all of the issues that women (and men) face, so … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/03/20 05:46 PM |
| 24 | Man stripped naked and sexually assaulted by multiple women while incapacitated. Comments (naturally) defend female rapistsHad a look at the comments and they aren't defending the women, they're primarily supporting OP and saying that what the girlfriend and her friends did was not okay. Most people there seem to be having a pretty reasonable reaction. Let's not throw around the word "rape" too much just to capitalise on its emotional impact. They didn't rape him and I don't think it's accurate to call them female rapists as there appears to have been no intercourse involved, but yeah even if I gave them the benefit… | /r/MensRights | 03/03/20 06:55 AM |
| 12 | What rules should there be for the modern day man so he doesn't end up in a bad situation? I have my own add yours.This comment from typhonblue (Alison Tieman, I believe) on Reddit: Absolute number one. Never date, speak to or interact with a woman who believes "men oppressed women" ever. Historically or in any other society. The instant she indicates she believes this, walk. I don't care if it's in the middle of a movie, meal or the Queen's tea. WALK. Change your phone number, change your locks, change your email. Ghost. This isn't a belief so much as it's social dominance positioning, it's a dehumanizing t… | /r/MensRights | 02/03/20 04:20 PM |
| 3 | A mother whose son was just murdered by his female partner bemoans the gender double standard in responding to domestic violenceIs this true in Sweden? I assume you're talking about abortion. Sweden has a very liberal abortion act. Ever since the Swedish Abortion Act of 1974 women have been allowed to make a decision about abortion before the end of the 18th week of pregnancy (though one can still get an abortion after the 18th week with permission from Socialstyren, the national board of health and welfare). https://thenewbieguide.se/health/sexual-and-reproductive-health/abortion/ So I assume their gripes are with other… | /r/MensRights | 01/03/20 06:30 PM |
| 4 | still much more women get raped than men if you include made to penetrate stats !why the lifetime numbers are unreliable? I and many other people have already explained this to you. I think you might have a mild form of Down’s syndrome. | /r/MensRights | 29/02/20 03:09 PM |
| 5 | still much more women get raped than men if you include made to penetrate stats !Please look at the 12 months numbers in the NISVS state report which iainmf cited you. This report summarises three years of of their results. https://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/pdf/nisvs-statereportbook.pdf 12 months numbers: 1.2% for women and 1.5% for men. These are the average annual estimates for the period 2010-2012, so you can’t scream “but that data is just for one year!” The lifetime numbers are more unreliable than the 12 months numbers, so quit citing them just because they suppor… | /r/MensRights | 29/02/20 02:58 PM |
| 8 | still much more women get raped than men if you include made to penetrate stats !the year in link is 2012 Actually, it isn’t. The 12 months numbers in the NISVS state report iainmf cited you is an average of their results for a period of three years. You don’t know what you’re talking about. lifetime prevelance is the real numbers! you are moron Lifetime prevalence is less reliable than 12 months numbers as it requires people to recall events long past. and also most domestic violence victims are also women lol False, but given your level of statistical illiteracy I wouldn’t… | /r/MensRights | 29/02/20 02:53 PM |
| 4 | still much more women get raped than men if you include made to penetrate stats !Actually, the state report that u/iainmf cited you combines three years of results from 2010 to 2012. The 12 months numbers are the average of three years’ results, it’s not just one year’s worth of results. And wouldn’t you know it, 1.2% of women were raped and 1.5% of men were made to penetrate. I’m convinced you don’t know what you’re reading. | /r/MensRights | 29/02/20 02:49 PM |
| 7 | still much more women get raped than men if you include made to penetrate stats !you have not even a proof for both genders get equally raped! nah People have already given you proof of gender symmetry in victimisation and the proof is in the (more reliable) 12 months numbers of the studies which you claim debunks it. Then, even after you have been shown the proof, you simply deny it and claim we don’t have any proof because the data flies in the face of your cult of female victimhood. You are so stupid it’s almost painful. | /r/MensRights | 29/02/20 02:32 PM |
| 6 | (Cross Post) Sex Based Differences Between Male and Female Psychology - A Review of Studies I have Gathered.So let's start with the biological studies. Do men and women have different brains on average and what could this mean? Well, there's a few studies that say no: For instance, Joel et al came to this conclusion: These findings are corroborated by a similar analysis of personality traits, attitudes, interests, and behaviors of more than 5,500 individuals, which reveals that internal consistency is extremely rare. Our study demonstrates that, although there are sex/gender differences in the brain, … | /r/MensRights | 28/02/20 04:51 AM |
| 113 | Chris Rock laying down the truth about the value of men in societyI didn't get the impression that they were laughing because they didn't take it seriously, I think they were laughing partially because what he said resonated with them. Humour has always been used to broach and make light of all sorts of uncomfortable topics that would otherwise go unaddressed in the public discourse, and people find the jokes funny not because they don't take it seriously - quite the opposite in fact, they laugh because they know that what the comedian is saying has a grain of… | /r/MensRights | 26/02/20 11:30 PM |
| 9 | Why are Men’s Rights attracting so little support?As an incentive, you can even own everything as long as you're legally responsible for supporting us. In many cases, this did not even happen. It might interest you to know that coverture did not actually prohibit women from retaining their rights to their property, even within marriage. Many women could and did take steps to legally remain in control of their own property during marriage. Under the common law, the wife's assets passed to her husband during marriage as they were supposed to be "… | /r/MensRights | 25/02/20 12:40 AM |
| 3 | The Frustration of a Cattle RancherAbsolute number one. Never date, speak to or interact with a woman who believes "men oppressed women" ever. Historically or in any other society. I agree with you and completely understand how false and defamatory the "men oppressed women" narrative is. I am similarly horrified by how people have accepted it so readily, but wouldn't this cut out pretty much 91% of women who one can interact with? Most people get taught as early as when they are in school how to interpret the history of gender re… | /r/MensRights | 22/02/20 11:51 PM |
| 2 | Man kills wife and children. Sad story. Look at headline. “How to stop **men** from killing their wives and children”because they intimate that there may have been "reasons" that this bloke burnt his family to death, ie other people were on part to blame. That's not actually what he said. Simply acknowledging that there is a possibility that there may have been issues in his life which could have driven him to commit such an act is not saying that it excuses his actions, or that it was other people's fault, or that it makes it any less of a crime. IMO, it's reasonable to say that one should keep an open mind a… | /r/MensRights | 21/02/20 11:43 PM |
| 4 | Man kills wife and children. Sad story. Look at headline. “How to stop **men** from killing their wives and children”You will notice I said domestic violence and murder...murder..... show me the stats where women are murdering their intimate partners at the same rate men are. I was responding to your claim about men being the majority of perpetrators of domestic violence. That claim of yours is demonstrably false and I have already proved that it is false. With regards to your claim that the overwhelming amount of domestic violence murders are male-on-female, the gender disparity there actually isn't as drasti… | /r/MensRights | 21/02/20 08:22 AM |
| 4 | Man kills wife and children. Sad story. Look at headline. “How to stop **men** from killing their wives and children”Seriously, domestic violence and murder is a huge issue and whether we accept it or not, men are overwhelmingly the perpetrators. Instead of getting upset about it look at the stats and ask if we can improve them. Actually, your claim about men being overwhelmingly the perpetrators with regards to domestic violence isn't true at all. The research has shown gender symmetry in domestic violence. Approximately half of domestic violence is reciprocal violence where both partners abuse each other, an… | /r/MensRights | 21/02/20 08:12 AM |
| 30 | Man kills wife and children. Sad story. Look at headline. “How to stop **men** from killing their wives and children”I might get blowback for saying this. I'll preface this by saying that this comment isn't trying to excuse this guy's actions, or say that what he did wasn't bad or completely absolutely revolting and horrible. It was. But what I see whenever there's a case of a man victimising his family people will see it as a horrible thing and take it not as a problem of a single bad actor, but a wider societal problem of men disproportionately being gigantic murderous assholes. They will also view him as a … | /r/MensRights | 21/02/20 06:27 AM |
| 12 | Am I crazy?Yep. A lot of feminist historical claims about "Women's Historical Oppression By Men" are questionable at best and usually fall apart when you actually look at the evidence. | /r/MensRights | 21/02/20 03:59 AM |
| 10 | On the brain differences between men and women with a larger sample size. Thoughts?Here are the differences between men and women on "brain things". Infants from as young as 9-17 months of age display gender-stereotypical toy preferences. "Children in the youngest group, who were aged between 9-17 months when infants are able to crawl or walk and therefore make independent selections [were] ... particularly interesting; the ball was a favourite choice for the youngest boys and the youngest girls favoured the cooking pot." Females on average tend to be stronger verbally than ma… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 20/02/20 12:01 AM |
| 17 | For those who are MOC, trans-men, gays, e.t.c, how would you like to see the subreddit improve?I'd really just be happy with more discussion, this entire subreddit is a bit dead compared to r/MensRights (though on average the posts made here do seem to be of a higher quality). I don't think it's necessary for anyone here to make attempts to cater to me or my demography in case I feel "left out". I personally haven't felt that at all anywhere in the manosphere, and I've always gotten a bit irritated at people who claim a community isn't sufficiently accepting to them or the minority group … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/02/20 12:33 AM |
| 2 | The narrative of universal historical female oppression is quite insulting to menHere is another link about the topic. https://www.marxists.org/archive/beard/woman-force/index.htm This is a transcript of a 1946 book, written by Mary Beard, called "Woman as a Force in History" which is pretty interesting reading and debunks a lot of feminist dogma about women's oppression. She even concludes in one chapter "It seems perfectly plain that the dogma of woman’s complete historic subjection to man must be rated as one of the most fantastic myths ever created by the human mind." | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/02/20 09:06 PM |
| 3 | A compilation of evidence debunking feminist historical revisionism.2/2 Over the next five hundred years, many changes were brought with regards to the legal position of women. The laws in the feudal age only had the husband come into possession of beasts of burden, tools, and other implements used for the production of wealth on her land, but in more modern times the common law became more rigid and severe, passing more or less all assets owned by the wife to the husband and disallowing married women from contracting debts in their own name, instead having them… | /r/MensRights | 14/02/20 08:25 PM |
| 1 | A compilation of evidence debunking feminist historical revisionism.1/2 Bit out of the blue, but I've been doing some research on married women's rights in history and have found that, contrary to what my post here states about married women, the state of married women with regards to property rights and the right to enter into contracts was not actually nearly as dire for the most part as is mostly assumed. This comment got long when I was writing it, so sorry for that. Historian and lawyer Frederic William Maitland, noted as the "modern father of English legal… | /r/MensRights | 14/02/20 08:25 PM |
| 7 | Domestic violence against men during the pre-modern era was surprisingly common; court records indicate that women may have assaulted family members more often than men didYep. There is honestly SO much of it I'm pretty sure it'd take a lifetime to work through and debunk every single historical myth they've propagated. And in that time they'd have already come up with even more falsehoods and fallacies about how "things used to be" in the dark dark days of Patriarchy where women were supposedly horribly and uniquely oppressed and treated as nothing more than men's property. The more I look and the more I research, the more I find their picture of history isn't ac… | /r/MensRights | 11/02/20 09:43 PM |
| 5 | Domestic violence against men during the pre-modern era was surprisingly common; court records indicate that women may have assaulted family members more often than men didThat's horrible and I'm really sorry that happened to you and your father. Please take care of yourself. Abusive women are far more common than people would like to admit, but they largely fly under society's radar because people are so primed to seeing women as harmless victims, incapable of inflicting real harm and real trauma on others which makes it so much harder for victims of female-perpetrated violence to have their abuse recognised or taken seriously. | /r/MensRights | 11/02/20 08:45 PM |
| 4 | Men getting bullied by wife/girlfriend (by feminist)Not here to argue with you either - just providing some evidence that I think you might find interesting: And women could barter for better pay. At a certain point, the free market dictates that people will be paid the same so long as they produce the same work. Yes and for the most part, this is what happened. I've been reading sections of a book called "Gender, Work and Wages in Industrial Revolution-era Britain" and many workers during that time period were not paid per unit of time, but per … | /r/MensRights | 11/02/20 06:10 PM |
| 9 | Is it making sense?Yep. It's always been quite irritating to me how the partner that works is always seen to be the "privileged" one in the relationship, as if the vast majority of people are just clamouring to work and have a career. It seems like quite a naive viewpoint to think that a job is necessarily fulfilling and something people WANT to do instead of something they HAVE to do - the majority of work out there is a soul-crushing slog, and it doesn't surprise me that most women don't opt to be in the role of… | /r/MensRights | 11/02/20 01:27 PM |
| 4 | Examining Patriarchy TheoryThere's a wealth of data on maternal mortality rates online but it differs from country to country, and obviously the further back in time you go, the less reliable the data is. Still, it's not hard to find evidence for my point that having a baby was considerably more dangerous before the twentieth century. Agreed, maternal mortality in the past was far higher than it is now. I don't at all doubt that this specific claim you've made is factual. All I find dubious is the idea that childbirth or … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/02/20 09:24 PM |
| 3 | Examining Patriarchy TheoryI don't have that book and can't find a transcript of it, so I cannot verify that she indeed made that claim, nor do I know how she came to that conclusion or what sources she got her information from. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/02/20 08:34 PM |
| 4 | Examining Patriarchy TheoryAppeal to authority won't get you far here. If you can't properly provide sources for your claims which we all have access to and can verify then nobody is going to take these claims seriously. We cannot be reasonably expected to accept your claims without evidence we can look at. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/02/20 08:32 PM |
| 2 | Examining Patriarchy TheoryYou didn't originally make that clear - your initial claim said that women "then faced a 1 in 4 chance of dying in childbirth". Furthermore, even if that was your original point you've still failed to substantiate your claim that a quarter of women died from complications caused by childbirth. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/02/20 07:36 PM |
| 3 | Examining Patriarchy TheoryI'm not sure if you're joking or not because that "statistic" is completely baseless. There's no actual evidence to support it. I'm sorry to tell you, but I don't think she's joking. Based off my prior attempts to engage with her, 90% of the claims that she makes are like that. Ridiculous-sounding, inflated, and completely un-cited claims which she treats as unquestionable fact because it supports her ideology. That laughable claim that "Women do two-thirds of the world's work and own 1 percent … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/02/20 04:52 PM |
| 4 | Examining Patriarchy TheoryWoman meant female person and wareman (or something similar to that) meant male person. You are correct in your overall thesis but I'll be a pedant and say that in Old English wifman meant female person and werman meant male person. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/02/20 08:41 PM |
| 26 | Examining Patriarchy TheoryGreat post. The biggest problem I personally have with the feminist "Patriarchy" argument is how it's essentially an unproved hypothesis that is treated as an indisputable fact by feminists. All I've seen them do to prove the existence of the mythical Patriarchy is to cite some fact of gender inequality or traditional gender roles, and attribute that all to male oppression of women without caring much to prove that claim. For example: Observation: Those in positions of power were and are predomi… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 09/02/20 05:25 PM |
| 12 | Teenage boys often message me saying they are MRAs but have to lie to their parents about it. This sub needs to exist.I talk about men's rights fairly often with friends and coworkers and what I've found is that most people will agree with you if you come in "soft" about these problems. I would never out myself as an MRA in the modern political climate but that doesn't mean that I can't still spread awareness about it. Yeah. I'm a teenage guy who leans very heavily MRA but I've never outright called myself an "MRA" when discussing these topics with other people in real life, as that tends to make it so much har… | /r/MensRights | 08/02/20 05:15 PM |
| 2 | Men getting bullied by wife/girlfriend (by feminist)My question is, are you really a feminist? Do you believe in the patriarchy, and in male oppression of women? My guess is maybe you don't, and you're not really a feminist. You need to guess again. I had a conversation with her about this a few days ago and she is fully 100% committed to the idea. In fact, she is completely and utterly unwilling to accept that the feminist picture of "historical male oppression of women" might be wrong, and she demands citations from everyone else while providin… | /r/MensRights | 08/02/20 02:35 PM |
| 16 | I was intrigued and excited to discover this subreddit but I was disappointed. This isn't a 'men's rights' page it's an anti-women page. PLEASE READ before you downvote.I’ve worked in mental health and encountered a lot of men with complex traumas which have led to the manifestation of mental health issues. Pretty much all of the men I saw who had encountered traumas, encountered them at the hands of other men. They had been sexually abused by MALE family members at a young age, they had been physically assaulted by MEN leading to anxiety and PTSD symptoms. Furthermore, when I go online and see articles about men being abused or speaking out, most of the negati… | /r/MensRights | 07/02/20 04:17 PM |
| 19 | Young men are dropping out of society because it's abundantly clear nobody gives a shit about themYep. The amount of empathy that most women (and many men) show towards men and their issues is laughable. Many are only willing to nominally throw support behind men on the condition that they are still allowed to go on believing and pushing and perpetuating the lie that women are the bigger victims, that "any problems you men face pale in comparison to ours" and that women still deserve more help and more entitlements. I suspect that many women really like being seen as uniquely and specially v… | /r/MensRights | 06/02/20 12:41 AM |
| 8 | What happened to Johnny Depp is a common pattern of abuse experienced by male victims. It is in fact more common than what women experience in reverse.Not the same person you were replying to, but here's one of Martin Fiebert's bibliographies on domestic violence. It examines "286 scholarly investigations: 221 empirical studies and 65 reviews and/or analyses, which demonstrate that women are as physically aggressive, or more aggressive, than men in their relationships with their spouses or male partners." https://web.csulb.edu/~mfiebert/assault.htm It's a goldmine of information. | /r/MensRights | 04/02/20 08:29 PM |
| 7 | Where to fairly discuss feminism with feminists?You are being downvoted but you are correct. Most feminists I talk to aren't interested in a good faith discussion, they're interested in preserving their belief system and inoculating it from any piece of counter-evidence that may be presented to them. Honestly, I've wasted so much time in debates with them. | /r/MensRights | 03/02/20 10:45 PM |
| 4 | MRAs: How do you feel about the Honey Badgers and being led, more or less, by women?MRAs, how do you feel about men's rights being largely helmed by women? What is women's place in the men's rights movement? Not sure if the MRM is "helmed by women", I don't think it's helmed by anyone in particular really, but I think it's inevitable that most of the people in the MRM who have the most influence will be, and will always be, women. I've found that female MRAs are some of the most effective advocates for men's rights, in part because people won't dismiss them and are more willing… | /r/MensRights | 02/02/20 11:34 PM |
| 3 | As a feminist, I believe we need to lift up men just as much as we need to lift up women. I love men. And so do other feminists.You know, I think I've finally managed to properly verbalise why I'm so uncomfortable with the near-constant demonisation of men of the past as being oppressive towards women. Many people have asked me why I care so much about finding out what happened in the past wrt gender, and here's why: Acknowledging a historical wrong perpetrated on one group by another is only justified if 1. the historical wrong happened in the first place and 2. the historical wrong was perpetrated by that group which w… | /r/MensRights | 02/02/20 07:03 PM |
| 8 | What is this sub doing for us as individual members?femhorroids I found this way funnier than I should have. | /r/MensRights | 01/02/20 09:40 PM |
| 9 | What is this sub doing for us as individual members?Yep. For me, it kind of got to the point that I actually plainly detested that I was born male at one point because I kept hearing a line of bullshit from pretty much everyone about what privileged, oppressive bastards men are and have always been. I knew that the propaganda I was hearing didn't square with my personal experiences and understanding of men, but everyone was saying it. It wasn't until I stumbled upon the manosphere that I started to actually do the research necessary to disprove t… | /r/MensRights | 01/02/20 09:22 PM |
| 3 | A compilation of evidence debunking feminist historical revisionism.The government changed the laws, instantiating in marital law a wife's right to sole ownership and administration of her earned income and inherited property (something that had been previously considered legally valid via prenuptial agreement) This is a really important detail and it's something that people don't bring up enough when talking about coverture. Even before the MWPAs, a married woman could hold her property and income as her own if she made a prenuptial or postnuptial agreement wit… | /r/MensRights | 31/01/20 11:07 PM |
| 16 | As a feminist, I believe we need to lift up men just as much as we need to lift up women. I love men. And so do other feminists.No problem. I think attempting to engage with people who hold differing opinions to yours is important. A few things, if I may: I don't believe that having solely or predominantly men in positions of acknowledged power (I assume this is what you mean by "patriarchy") necessarily makes for an unbalanced, male-centred society which favours men over women. I do not believe that in such a society, women would be unable to express their demands and negotiate for what they want. I do not believe that … | /r/MensRights | 31/01/20 09:42 PM |
| 14 | As a feminist, I believe we need to lift up men just as much as we need to lift up women. I love men. And so do other feminists.Looking through the thread you seem to have good intentions and seem to be willing to have a proper, honest discussion, so while I disagree with the viewpoints and opinions of the vast, vast majority of feminists whose writings I've read and who I've engaged with I'm willing to look past that and hopefully I can have a productive, good-faith discussion with you. I assume you call yourself a feminist because you view feminism simply as a movement for gender equality, nothing less, nothing more, a… | /r/MensRights | 31/01/20 08:28 PM |
| 1 | How can i help the fight as a woman?Saved. I've long wondered whether you could make a video or blog post about evolutionary psychology, stringing together in detail all your observations about bonobos, chimps and baboons, the evolutionary origins of the empathy gap and how you think humans evolved our specific brand of egalitarian monogamy + male provisioning of women and children. I'm aware that many of your videos contain sections dedicated to evolutionary psychology, but it would be nice just to have all of your insights in on… | /r/MensRights | 30/01/20 06:51 PM |
| 5 | Wondering what you all think of this. "Lesbians more accepted than gay men around the world, study finds"Yep. Though in quite a few places the majority of those convicted were women, it must be stressed that the purpose of witch hunts was not to penalise women. People legitimately believed in the existence of witches. There were also plenty of men accused, arrested and killed for witchcraft (like Giles Corey). It was seen as something that could be practiced by both genders. In 1484, when Pope Innocent VIII issued his Bull against witchcraft, he explicitly stated that it was being practiced by “man… | /r/MensRights | 29/01/20 04:46 PM |
| 9 | Gentlemen, my class had a discussion on men's rights in Religon class, and I said that men get in prison for a longer time than women - for the same crime. As there aren't many studies on that, I am asking for your helphttps://www.law.umich.edu/newsandinfo/features/Pages/starr_gender_disparities.aspx A study called "Estimating Gender Disparities in Federal Criminal Cases" by Sonja Starr found that after controlling for the arrest offence, criminal history, and other prior characteristics, "men receive 63% longer sentences on average than women do," and "[w]omen are…twice as likely to avoid incarceration if convicted." PDF of the full study | /r/MensRights | 28/01/20 09:29 PM |
| 5 | There seems to have been a huge influx of concern trolls and SJW-types into this sub recently.You've got that completely backwards. When users engage in concern trolling it's almost always an attempt at shutting down conversation or at the very least an attempt at policing the conversation to make sure that it stays within topics of discussion that that user personally deems "acceptable". When people call out concern trolling they are trying to stop people from doing that. It's rather surprising I have to explain this. | /r/MensRights | 27/01/20 12:09 AM |
| 1 | A very interesting exchange on r/PurplePillDebate between girlwriteswhat and another redditor about women's entitlements under coverture.However, just one thing about our entire correspondence that bothers me: the way you situate NOT being liable to get thrown in the slammer for wrongdoing as a "right". Eg your rhetorical white propertied male bribes his way into being able to "commit crimes with total impunity". This would be a meaningless privilege unless he actually ... wanted to commit crimes. What his privilege amount to if he paid the bribe but had no intention of committing any crimes? In other words, how can you regard yo… | /r/MensRights | 25/01/20 09:08 PM |
| 0 | A very interesting exchange on r/PurplePillDebate between girlwriteswhat and another redditor about women's entitlements under coverture.I was simply noting that it seems like a very inflated assertion to say that "women had a 1 in 4 chance of dying during childbirth." I, well, kind of doubt that the risk of death was ever so high. But thanks for the elaboration on the history surrounding hand-washing and maternal morbidity/mortality. It's very interesting that the reason why doctors had a higher rate of maternal mortality than midwives was not because of their "worse practices", but because they dealt with infectious patients as… | /r/MensRights | 25/01/20 06:37 PM |
| 2 | A very interesting exchange on r/PurplePillDebate between girlwriteswhat and another redditor about women's entitlements under coverture.2/2 There was no such thing as rape in marriage, which meant in theory wives could force pregnancy upon husbands, who then faced a 1 in 4 chance of dying in childbirth. Both sexes had a right to sex within marriage, and it wasn't illegal for husbands to rape wives nor was it illegal for wives to rape husbands. Portraying this as a state of affairs that's oppressive towards women and only women is, as I've previously stated, somewhat dishonest, no? Your assertion in our previous discussion that "… | /r/MensRights | 25/01/20 03:30 PM |
| 2 | A very interesting exchange on r/PurplePillDebate between girlwriteswhat and another redditor about women's entitlements under coverture.1/2 No, my point is the unreformed marriage contract WAS extremely oppressive to women. I defy anyone, not just MRAs but anyone, to prove,otherwise. We have. You just haven't listened to any of the points we've made. Let's have a look at your exercise in gender-swapping (What I'm writing in response to your claims is for the most part not similarly gender-swapped, as it would be too difficult to do so and more importantly, too confusing to interpret. So for example when I describe the situation … | /r/MensRights | 25/01/20 03:30 PM |
| 1 | A very interesting exchange on r/PurplePillDebate between girlwriteswhat and another redditor about women's entitlements under coverture.From "Baron and Feme: A Treatise of the Common Law Concerning Husbands and Wives." https://books.google.com.my/books?id=e1QuAAAAYAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false Though our Law makes the Woman subject to the Husband, yet he may not kill her but it is murder; he may not beat her; but she may pray the Peace. So he may not starve her, but must provide Maintenance for her. p. 9. Married women knew they had this right and were ready to claim it whenever necess… | /r/MensRights | 25/01/20 12:32 PM |
| 3 | A very interesting exchange on r/PurplePillDebate between girlwriteswhat and another redditor about women's entitlements under coverture.Just returned to this thread and noticed your responses, thanks for writing them. I don't really want to fan the flames any further but this user (the one you're responding to) seems to be absolutely hell-bent on misrepresenting my position and flat-out ignoring the evidence and arguments I've provided so she won't have to acknowledge that coverture did not exist to oppress women. I find her idea that "husbands were allowed to do whatever they wanted with the money" so extremely funny because sh… | /r/MensRights | 23/01/20 10:51 PM |
| 9 | A very interesting exchange on r/PurplePillDebate between girlwriteswhat and another redditor about women's entitlements under coverture.a lot of these supposed "privileges" and "entitlements" are very wobbly and hypothetical. Really. I think the female "privilege" and "entitlement" to support and maintenance from their husbands was a very big entitlement back then. Re your point about "she was entitled to be supported" - well, for the less informed it MIGHT be worth re-stating that her husband did get everything she had ever owned/earned and would continue to get everything she owned/earned. So not exactly a one way street with … | /r/MensRights | 20/01/20 02:09 PM |
| 2 | Going to the Women's March made me feel more wary and anti-feminism. Mocking male DV victims.Men have an extremely weak one. Men's in-group bias isn't just "weak", in fact they don't just LACK an in-group bias but have an out-group bias in favour of women. This is why the idea that our society is or ever was a patriarchy that subjugates all women to serve men's interests is so fucking stupid. While men were the majority of those in formalised and acknowledged positions of power and influence (and still are today), men do not act in the benefit of men as a class - in fact they are more l… | /r/MensRights | 19/01/20 11:59 PM |
| 2 | Bringing attention to military historian and theorist Martin van Creveld's book "The Privileged Sex".Yeah, it seemed as if they were saying with that comment you've quoted that women were doing the jobs that men weren't willing to do when in reality it was the other way around - men took jobs that women were physically incapable of doing or unwilling to do, which was mostly the harder and more strenuous work. Really I couldn't believe a lot of the comments stentorian46 made in that thread. Their claim that women "did the work that men did while pregnant" and their continuous peddling of the ide… | /r/MensRights | 18/01/20 01:04 PM |
| 2 | An attempt to disabuse someone of their notions of women's historical oppression.Firstly, I'm pretty sure stentorian46 is a she. Secondly, they're probably not learning jack shit. I, and a bunch of other commenters in that thread I linked presented arguments that were well supported with links to citations and stentorian46 combated it with a lot of extremely questionable conjecture, wilful ignorance and continuous denial of the facts that were provided to them. And sometimes we were met with arguments that didn't even make a lick of sense. When I proved that marital rape was… | /r/MensRights | 17/01/20 11:54 PM |
| 6 | An attempt to disabuse someone of their notions of women's historical oppression.Getting into debates like these just makes me want to throw my hands up in the air in sheer frustration as the person will vehemently deny that women's historical entitlements in marriage were really entitlements even when they have been provided with evidence of them. They will also deny that women could and would sometimes abuse the historical privileges they were given under law (those that they will admit to, that is) even though they are in the same breath perfectly comfortable supporting t… | /r/MensRights | 16/01/20 08:39 PM |
| 1 | "Man just hate women" The evolutionary response.No problem. Somewhat off topic, but I'm curious if I could get your help in a debate I'm currently engaged in on r/MensRights? I've been attempting to get through to someone about the topic of women's historical oppression (which they firmly believe in) and figured you might have better luck. https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/enjmoo/had_epiphany_about_feminism/feh98hm?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/01/20 06:13 PM |
| 2 | Had Epiphany about FeminismAnyway the overall point I was making was that it's fanciful to suggest that when a woman married and lost her right to property, the pay off was that she got a free meal ticket for the rest of her life. It is true that wives could participate in paid work and contribute income to their family (and poor women frequently did so, though usually not to the same extent that their husbands did) but that still does not change the fact that they have never had any legal obligation to maintain their fam… | /r/MensRights | 15/01/20 06:09 PM |
| 6 | Had Epiphany about FeminismI can't help but notice you are supporting your argument with texts from anti-feminist websites or MR websites plus the Bible. These are MR or anti-feminist websites or the Bible? Weird. https://www.history.org/foundation/journal/spring03/branks.cfm https://ora.ox.ac.uk/objects/uuid:2e88e3f6-b270-4228-b930-9237c00e739f/download_file?file_format=application/pdf&safe_filename=Item.pdf&type_of_work=Journal%20article https://verdict.justia.com/2017/01/24/sex-necessary-legally-speaking http://www.bu.… | /r/MensRights | 15/01/20 12:20 PM |
| 6 | Had Epiphany about FeminismOnce married, they were perpetually pregnant/breastfeeding. This has nothing to do with sexism or misogyny and everything to do with the conditions back then. This was a world without reliable birth control, safe abortion, etc. If you were a woman back then who wanted to be able to have sex, then you would have had to plan your life around the idea that you would be getting pregnant, giving birth, and breastfeeding for most of your adult life. So imagine you got married at 18 back then. Within a… | /r/MensRights | 15/01/20 09:32 AM |
| 7 | Had Epiphany about FeminismDon't you know u/iainmf, life for men in pre-modern times was just a wellspring of privilege and power. Us MRAs totally want to go back to the past when domestic violence shelters for men stretched as far as the eye could see and when male genital mutilation was completely illegal, doncha know. And when it was absolutely, completely banned to force men into fighting bloody wars while their sisters, mothers and daughters were exempted solely on the basis of their gender. What the fuck. | /r/MensRights | 15/01/20 09:21 AM |
| 6 | Had Epiphany about FeminismLet me address some of your claims: it was legal to beat and rape your wife, and illegal for your wife to abuse or "scold" you. In the past men were allowed to use "mild correction" on their wives under the law (as he was socially and legally responsible for the actions of his wife to the extent that he could even be held accountable for the crimes and offences she committed), but he could not beat her black and blue. Men had restrictions on what corporal punishment they could use on their wives… | /r/MensRights | 15/01/20 09:13 AM |
| 20 | I met some toxic people who called us incelsPlease define what you mean by equality. If you mean "equality of outcome"-type equality based on the idea that there should be no differences in outcomes between people (for example equal representation in positions of power) and that society should be manipulated to achieve that goal through things such as affirmative action and offering preferential treatment for certain "marginalised" groups then no, I do not believe in that. If you mean equality of opportunity based on the idea that everyon… | /r/MensRights | 14/01/20 12:22 PM |
| 3 | [META] r/MensRights is no longer a forum to discuss the MRMI pretty much agree. I've wanted to participate more here but there's progressively been less and less interesting discussion to take part in on this subforum other than rage-bait posts consisting solely of an image of a Tumblrina saying some dumb shit. I understand that it's somewhat inevitable that this kind of rage-bait would be the most upvoted content as it tends to grab people's attention more than some long, dry post full of links and writing, and I do think there is a place for them in t… | /r/MensRights | 14/01/20 11:15 AM |
| 2 | "Man just hate women" The evolutionary response.After a hubbub in the press, he was released from prison on humanitarian grounds due to his failing health, and died some months later. Not that this takes away from your larger, overarching point about women being freed from their historical obligations and men being held to theirs, which I by and large agree with, but the specific statement I've quoted above contradicts what I've found from the research I've done. Mark Wilks was released from prison on October 2, 1912 (after only being in jail… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/01/20 05:31 PM |
| 10 | Do you consider yourself anti-feminist?Yes. Granted, type I and type II MGM used to be far more common in the past but it still does occur today in less developed countries, especially India. Here is an example. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castration An article in the Gulf Times revealed in 2005 a major sex trade in mostly Nepalese boys who were lured to India and sold to brothels in Mumbai, Hyderabad, New Delhi, Lucknow and Gorakhpur. One victim was lured from Nepal at the age of 14, sold into slavery, locked up, beaten, starved, … | /r/MensRights | 10/01/20 06:20 PM |
| 15 | Do you consider yourself anti-feminist?It is true that you can't compare male circumcision with FGM but not because of the reason you think. FGM is not a single practice, it is an umbrella term covering many different practices. Not all FGM touches the clitoris. There are many types of FGM, some of which are more invasive than circumcision, some of which are comparable to circumcision and some of which are less invasive than circumcision. There are four major types of FGM. Type I — Partial or total removal of the clitoris and/or the … | /r/MensRights | 10/01/20 05:41 PM |
| 2 | "Man just hate women" The evolutionary response.I do not mean to be nit-picky about what is just one example you are providing me, but these things you raise seem to be in place mostly because "women could not own property" and had no financial authority. Just to clarify, I'm not u/girlwriteswhat (so not the person you've been responding to), but I disagree with this statement quoted above. Single women (feme sole) had the right to own their property and their income as their own, could enter into contracts in their own name, etc and overall … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/01/20 10:02 PM |
| 2 | u/girlwriteswhat, why did you interview this guy?I think many of them were of the view that women in the past were terribly oppressed by a male dominated system. None of them seemed to want to go "back there". Yeah, this has been the impression I've got from most of the conservatives I've spoken to. Most of them were in fact quite moderate, compared to me. Even the ones who were vehemently opposed to third-wave feminism believed that in the past women were treated like chattel, and many were even of the opinion that the first two waves (or at … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/01/20 07:40 PM |
| 1 | u/girlwriteswhat, why did you interview this guy?I don't doubt that some on the right, especially those on the more extreme end of the spectrum such as white nationalists, do in fact view that as a desirable state of affairs. I think they're a minority that are shunned by most, though. It just seems like extreme exaggeration to say that Trump supporters, or conservatives, or right-wingers at large want that to happen, as it doesn't really seem to be the stance of the majority of conservatives I've spoken to (although my experiences with that a… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/01/20 04:21 PM |
| 1 | u/girlwriteswhat, why did you interview this guy?Feel free to think these people are your friends, and I'm sure you are going to do exactly that, but remember if the far right people you're cavorting with get their way, you will be some man's property. Enjoy your freedom. However long you keep it under the shadow of these Trumpanzees. This quote in particular made me raise an eyebrow, as it really sounds to me like they're saying something along the lines of "These evil tradcons want to bring us back to the horrible, no good, very bad, oppress… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/01/20 12:35 PM |
| 6 | I shared about men's rights concerns with a feminist and she said the problems men face are consequences of male patriarchy and men's fault anyway.You’re trying to start a conversation with a feminist brigader who knows only how to make lazy, childish, intellectually empty “clap-backs” to those they disagree with. There’s been a major influx of them recently and it’s always extremely amusing to watch them come in, sling bad insults and scurry off when they face any backlash at all for the shit they say. | /r/MensRights | 05/01/20 10:21 AM |
| 3 | I shared about men's rights concerns with a feminist and she said the problems men face are consequences of male patriarchy and men's fault anyway.For example when I mentioned men don't get equal custody rights frequently, she said the patriarchy set up the courts to favor women as nurturers so it's men's fault to begin with. What would you say to this sort of rebuttal? I would tell her that she's full of shit. Under the old system it actually used to be that paternal custody of children after divorce was the default presumption because only the husband would be held responsible for the support of the child. But during the late nineteenth … | /r/MensRights | 05/01/20 08:21 AM |
| 2 | What can women do to better support men?As an aside, it’s almost funny how incoherent the feminists that come onto this sub are. I’m always surprised at the sheer laziness of their arguments. | /r/MensRights | 05/01/20 08:15 AM |
| 7 | What can women do to better support men?Really. You're just going to throw me a link like that as a "last word" and scamper off, instead of addressing what I linked? The article you linked asserts that a 1989 study published by the National Coalition Against Domestic Violence showed that "the average prison sentence for men who kill their female partners is two to six years... [and that] women who kill their partners are sentenced on average to 15 years." I attempted to find the actual study in order to look at the methodology which w… | /r/MensRights | 05/01/20 06:20 AM |
| 17 | What can women do to better support men?https://www.law.umich.edu/newsandinfo/features/Pages/starr_gender_disparities.aspx A study called "Estimating Gender Disparities in Federal Criminal Cases" by Sonja Starr found that after controlling for the arrest offence, criminal history, and other prior characteristics, "men receive 63% longer sentences on average than women do," and "[w]omen are…twice as likely to avoid incarceration if convicted." This gender gap is about SIX TIMES AS LARGE as the racial disparity Prof. Starr found in anot… | /r/MensRights | 04/01/20 05:46 PM |
| 10 | What can women do to better support men?How can you honestly compare circumcision to female genital mutilation? You can't, but not for the reason you think. Because unlike circumcision, FGM is not a single practice, it is an umbrella term covering many different practices. There are many types of FGM, some of which are more invasive than circumcision, some of which are comparable to circumcision and some of which are less invasive than circumcision. There are four major types of FGM. Type I — Partial or total removal of the clitoris a… | /r/MensRights | 04/01/20 05:45 PM |
| 7 | "Man just hate women" The evolutionary response.This makes perfect sense. Women "murder" mostly in self-defense . Nope. Here's a study out of Australia that finds that financial gain is one of the most common motivators for women who kill, and disproves the idea that women who kill their partners are only ever acting defensively against "abusers". https://www.news.com.au/national/crime/they-are-calculating-what-makes-women-kill-their-partners/news-story/e5e6a97cc432c0f79363917471b78791 WOMEN are at their most deadly when they are under financ… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/01/20 08:08 AM |
| 3 | "Man just hate women" The evolutionary response.Again, men protect their "own women" because it's a matter of male pride. And you have to ask where this comes from. Protecting women is something men take pride in doing BECAUSE people in general, including men have always cared about the wellbeing of women far more than they do men. It would not have become a source of male pride if they did not already think the protection and provision of women wasn't an important and vital task in the first place. They view women as possessions. And again, … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/01/20 06:42 AM |
| 5 | "Man just hate women" The evolutionary response.Men protect their own women because they view them as possessions. It's related to "male honor" and all that bullshit. They don't actually care about women as people. Here's an unfounded claim you've made that anyone who's actually done research about the topic knows is completely wrong. Women have a strong "in group" bias where they favor/protect/side with other women. Now, you'd think that men would also have an in group bias favoring other men but that's not the case. Men actually have an "ou… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/01/20 05:02 AM |
| 24 | "These aren't real feminists. They're not representative of the majority of feminists. They don't count." How does one address this argument?How many women fight back against the injustices detailed in your pic? Do you know of the Honey Badgers? | /r/MensRights | 02/01/20 03:47 PM |
| 10 | Honestly rather disappointed tbhThat isn't how it happened. Read back up in this specific thread. You asked for examples of "true" feminists who have done things that go against men's rights. I provided examples of feminists who have done those things, and you went on to define them out of your definition of feminism on the basis that these feminists represented the views of a "minority of feminists" and described it as not an opinion, not an assumption, but a "fact". I then challenged that claim on the basis that it was unfou… | /r/MensRights | 02/01/20 10:05 AM |
| 11 | Honestly rather disappointed tbhSince it is a fact, I'm sure you'll be able to provide me a source which proves conclusively that the vast majority of feminists do not share these views, then. I'll wait. | /r/MensRights | 02/01/20 09:50 AM |
| 17 | Honestly rather disappointed tbhYou've made the assumption that the feminists who've done and said these things don't represent the views of the majority of those in the movement and fallaciously completely excluded them from your definition of feminism on the unfounded basis that they are simply a minority. You've gone so far as to exclude the largest feminist organisation (NOW) from your definition of feminism simply because they don't align with what you THINK the majority of feminists are like. If you ask a feminist whethe… | /r/MensRights | 02/01/20 09:44 AM |
| 19 | Honestly rather disappointed tbhEdit: Also, you never actually answered my question. Sure. No one can answer your question because you're going to dismiss every statement and action engaged in by a self-described feminist as "not a REAL feminist" simply because it doesn't fit with what you want to define feminism as. This is a no true scotsman fallacy in which you've attempted to protect your universal generalisation of feminism from the counterexamples I've provided by adjusting your definition to specifically exclude any and… | /r/MensRights | 02/01/20 09:37 AM |
| 18 | Honestly rather disappointed tbhKaren Straughan's response to this assertion (along with a list of things that supposedly not-true-feminists have done to vilify and discriminate against men): So what you're saying is that you, a commenter using a username on an internet forum are the true feminist, and the feminists actually responsible for changing the laws, writing the academic theory, teaching the courses, influencing the public policies, and the massive, well-funded feminist organizations with thousands and thousands of me… | /r/MensRights | 02/01/20 09:06 AM |
| 15 | Honestly rather disappointed tbhThe problem we have here with feminists is not necessarily that they "promote women's rights and their struggles in society". The problem we have here is with the specific belief system of feminists. Feminism, unlike what you think it is, is not just "advocacy for the rights of women". They hold certain beliefs around gender, specifically surrounding what causes gender inequality, what gender equality looks like and what needs to happen for gender equality to occur. Feminism is a belief in Patri… | /r/MensRights | 02/01/20 09:00 AM |
| 22 | Honestly rather disappointed tbhI'm sorry. Why the fuck should we not oppose feminism when feminism has repeatedly vilified and demonised men as a group as being uniquely violent, monstrous and oppressive towards women in the face of all evidence to the contrary, and used these views of men to justify gender-discriminatory law and policy? Do you know half of the fucked up shit that feminism has lobbied for? | /r/MensRights | 02/01/20 08:48 AM |
| 6 | R/MraPatrol is a satire sub, calm down.Yeah. The more they open their mouths and spew their idiocy for everyone out there to see, they'll have undermined themselves more than we ever could. | /r/MensRights | 01/01/20 05:59 PM |
| 16 | R/MraPatrol is a satire sub, calm down.I had a debate with one of the mods there. They are actually that dumb. | /r/MensRights | 01/01/20 03:21 PM |
| 1 | r/Mrapatrol is not enjoyebleYet we here on r/MensRights don't ban feminists (as long as they come here in good faith and are willing to raise points and discussion), and so far the sub has largely managed to stay on topic. You can have a sub with a certain political leaning and still allow for debate and opposing points of view. If you decide to ban anyone who disagrees, your subreddit becomes an echo chamber. | /r/MensRights | 01/01/20 02:55 PM |
| 8 | I am so doneI've felt the same seething frustration when debating with feminists before. The sheer amount of falsehoods and fallacies they use in place of a legitimate argument is just staggering. If you provide them with evidence which clearly disproves their ideas of male privilege and women's oppression by men they'll either dismiss the evidence you provide with flimsy justifications as to why they should not hear it, or they'll reinterpret the evidence you provide as evidence in favour of their theory, … | /r/MensRights | 01/01/20 05:45 AM |
| 17 | My post debunking Anti-MRM talking points, along with a long list of privileges women have.Your post got removed. LOL. They couldn't handle people disagreeing with them in that echo chamber, I suppose. | /r/MensRights | 31/12/19 09:01 AM |
| 7 | My post debunking Anti-MRM talking points, along with a long list of privileges women have.Done. | /r/MensRights | 31/12/19 08:30 AM |
| 24 | My post debunking Anti-MRM talking points, along with a long list of privileges women have.These comments are hysterical. u/dumbblunde, you don't know what you're talking about. Your comment to the OP in particular in r/MRAPatrol was so extremely disorganised and so full of bad assertions that it was hard to even figure out what you were even responding to half of the time, but I decided to draft a response to some of your major claims nevertheless. -women commit less crime -women commit less violent crime where they need to be kept away from people -women commit less crime https://ww… | /r/MensRights | 31/12/19 08:02 AM |
| 6 | Why are traditional gender roles only considered sexist against women?Which means that a male leader is more likely to be concerned about the females he is in charge of than the reverse situation. Gynocentrism partially justifies patriarchy because on average men will treat women more fairly then women will treat men. That too is the conclusion I've come to. Societies with a predominance of men in power still do largely look out for the interests of women. By and large, men are team players with deep concern for their mothers, sisters and daughters and willing to … | /r/MensRights | 29/12/19 05:51 PM |
| 16 | Why are traditional gender roles only considered sexist against women?Correct. I've seen a lot of people questioning this idea but these biases have been proven with multiple scientific studies. Women have a strong "in group" bias where they favor/protect/side with other women. Men have an "out group" bias where they also favor/protect women over other men - men lack a mechanism that bolsters in-group bias. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15491274 "Four experiments confirmed that women's automatic in-group bias is remarkably stronger than men's and investigate… | /r/MensRights | 29/12/19 11:10 AM |
| 23 | Female allies?Here is a link to Karen Straughan's Youtube channel. She is one of the most popular MRAs and her arguments are exceptionally compelling and thought-through. https://www.youtube.com/user/girlwriteswhat/videos I'd recommend you sort by oldest and start watching. It's worth it. | /r/MensRights | 28/12/19 03:51 PM |
| 5 | Ok, can someone explain to me the point of this sub, I’d like to know what problems we have. Because I’m a man and I don’t feel mistreated.Here is a Danish study that shows that circumcised boys have an increased risk of developing autism spectrum disorders (ASD) and hyperactivity disorder. The study's sample size is large, with a total of 342,877 boys born between 1994 and 2013 participating in the study. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4530408/ From the study: Ritual circumcision among Danish boys is linked to an overall 46–62% increase in ASD risk in the first 10 years of life, with the upper risk estimate obtained … | /r/MensRights | 27/12/19 07:15 PM |
| 1 | A compilation of evidence debunking feminist historical revisionism.Done. I would've added more, but my post is nearing the maximum length permitted by Reddit. | /r/MensRights | 26/12/19 02:58 AM |
| 2 | This sub is dumbI know, so amazing that all that stuff just happened! Guess we can go now, there's no need for us anymore... | /r/MensRights | 25/12/19 05:15 PM |
| 1 | This sub is dumbOh for crying out loud. Stoning and execution is not a "woman's issue". For every 1 woman executed for adultery in Saudi Arabia, 500 men are executed for less serious crimes. These oppressive countries are not just oppressive to women, but EVERYBODY. We so readily malign the cultures in third world societies such as Pakistan and Afghanistan for placing such severe restrictions on women and girls, and yes, this is a legitimate issue, but we ignore the other side of the coin: most notably how the … | /r/MensRights | 25/12/19 04:58 PM |
| 4 | This sub is dumbhttps://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/dlbuik/are_there_any_actual_rights_that_men_dont_have/f4pex7f/?context=3 Women's rights that men don't have, granted by law: A commission on the status of women in every state, funded by taxpayer dollars (men only have one, in NH, and it is unfunded). Tax benefits for being a "woman-owned business" Government contracts guaranteed to women-owned (and minority owned) businesses. Violence Against Women Act. IMBRA Full rights to their own born children. M… | /r/MensRights | 25/12/19 04:50 PM |
| 6 | This sub is dumbYeah, that's not good enough, I'm sorry. I was expecting you to come up with examples of how women have less rights than men do or are socially disadvantaged in some way. You were talking about rights in your post and that has nothing to do with what you just mentioned. | /r/MensRights | 25/12/19 04:43 PM |
| 6 | This sub is dumbPlease outline the ways in which women get the short end of the stick. | /r/MensRights | 25/12/19 04:31 PM |
| 7 | A compilation of evidence debunking feminist historical revisionism.This is the kind of contribution that keeps me coming back to this subreddit. It's excellent information to have, well laid out, and every claim is backed by a citation. You've done an impressive amount of reading and research on these issues. | /r/MensRights | 24/12/19 05:35 PM |
| 6 | Bones episode about men's rightsSeriously? Yeah, of course rape should be illegal. I haven't seen a single person in this subreddit support it. Are you seriously going to get your ideas of MRAs from a fictional TV show? People have been using entertainment to push their political agendas since time immemorial, I don't think you should take it too seriously or think that what you see on TV is always a faithful representation of reality. | /r/MensRights | 24/12/19 05:00 PM |
| 6 | A compilation of evidence debunking feminist historical revisionism.Yeah, sure. Feel free to use the content in this post in whichever way you want, I make them because I think people can get use out of them. | /r/MensRights | 23/12/19 02:11 AM |
| 5 | Mods, don't be afraid to ban people for spamming click-bait or not writing proper titles for their topicsYeah, I like this sub but I have been thinking lately that content that actually contains usable information here has been somewhat lacking. Evidence, argumentation, etc. A lot of it seems to be clickbait posted for the purpose of inciting outrage and controversy, which CAN be useful especially when attempting to get people to care about the issues, but doesn't really interest me too much. I've been attempting to contribute as much as I can. I've recently been thinking of making a long post here… | /r/MensRights | 20/12/19 05:35 AM |
| 1 | How to get over the fear of making mistakes?Glad to hear I'm not the only one who overthinks in this way. And yes, this kind of "obsessive" perfectionism is a trait that tends to spill out into other aspects of life as well. To reveal something about myself - I produce music, very detailed music at that, and I end up spending months on tracks that I don't release because I consider them below standard. | /r/MensRights | 19/12/19 06:49 AM |
| 6 | REFERENCES EXAMINING ASSAULTS BY WOMEN ON THEIR SPOUSES OR MALE PARTNERS: AN ANNOTATED BIBLIOGRAPHYSUMMARY: This bibliography examines 286 scholarly investigations: 221 empirical studies and 65 reviews and/or analyses, which demonstrate that women are as physically aggressive, or more aggressive, than men in their relationships with their spouses or male partners. The aggregate sample size in the reviewed studies exceeds 371,600. | /r/MensRights | 19/12/19 02:19 AM |
| 10 | In case someone scrolling through here needed affirmation. You are cared about, you do have places to turn, and there are people who will accept you, no matter what.It's because we complain about feminists too much, guise. Also we prioritise free speech and debate over consensus and harmony which means we allow for viewpoints that may offend people and sometimes use bad words like "Fuck" and "Bitch". That's really negative and toxic u/iainmf, didn't you know that? We should probably censor every opinion that goes against fashionable political opinion, ban anyone who says anything that's less than polite and turn it into a feminist hugbox just like r/MensLib… | /r/MensRights | 17/12/19 11:14 AM |
| 1 | Men aren’t encouraged or appreciated the way women are3/3 Secondly, it is extremely funny to me how you feminists always attempt to deny women (both of the past and today) their agency, power and influence. According to you, apparently women were just so completely and utterly ineffectual that throughout our entire human history up until very recently they were unable to make their voices heard and enforce their demands. As outlined earlier, they think that even the benefits given to women under the traditional system were a result of men's oppress… | /r/MensRights | 17/12/19 02:53 AM |
| 11 | Men aren’t encouraged or appreciated the way women areHistorically our society was built for and by men. Nope, this is an overly simplistic and completely unsupported assumption that can be thrown out the window with the rest of feminist theory. Men were in more acknowledged positions of power, but there is no evidence that men in power work to privilege men at the expense of women, or that they would work in the interests of men at all. In fact, there's evidence that shows that the opposite is true. Women have a strong "in group" bias where they f… | /r/MensRights | 17/12/19 02:51 AM |
| 32 | A response to a post on r/FeminismThanks for the gold! I do tend to see that the level of discussion on r/MensRights and other "manosphere" subs seems to be much more fact-based, and there's a lot more citations, statistical evidence, etc. Most arguments I see from feminists tend to be arguments from emotion. | /r/MensRights | 15/12/19 09:47 AM |
| 32 | A response to a post on r/FeminismSorry, I don't think I made it clear in my post: I didn't comment this on the post I'm responding to in r/Feminism - comments on that sub that don't conform to the feminist worldview seem to very consistently get taken down so I didn't even bother putting it there. With the generally antagonistic tone of my response, I'm somewhat certain it would've gotten taken down in a heartbeat. What happened is that I made a crosspost on this sub r/MensRights linking to the r/Feminism post in question, with… | /r/MensRights | 15/12/19 09:40 AM |
| 3 | On r/Feminism: People keep using Male Rape and DV victims as a weapon and it angers meand also some time ago people would even encourage men to beat their female partners to 'keep them in line', it is not common to hear someone say that a woman should abuse her male partner to 'keep them in line', so that is the primary reason women victims get more awareness then men. You really have a skewed view of the past. Yes, in the past men were allowed to use "mild correction" on their wives under the law (as he was socially and legally responsible for the actions of his wife to the exte… | /r/MensRights | 15/12/19 01:58 AM |
| 3 | On r/Feminism: People keep using Male Rape and DV victims as a weapon and it angers meWomen are also more likely to be sexually abused, harassed, and even raped then men, so that is the primary reason female victims get more awareness Again, go look at the data. Look at the CDC's NISVS. In the 2010 and 2011 reports just as many men reported having been subjected to nonconsensual sexual intercourse in the previous 12 months. In the 2012 report more men than women reported having been subjected to nonconsensual sexual intercourse in the previous 12 months. It may not look immediate… | /r/MensRights | 15/12/19 01:54 AM |
| 3 | On r/Feminism: People keep using Male Rape and DV victims as a weapon and it angers meAlot of the times when I see people talk about male rape or DV victims it's usually in the context of a woman talking about her experience with rape or DV, and it's usually like this: Commentor: "Men FACE this kind of ABUSE everyday but SOCIETY only cares about WOMEN" First of all that's not true. Despite the huge amounts of awareness, domestic violence against women is still a problem. Bisexual women are the group most likely to face domestic violence and women are more likely to experience abu… | /r/MensRights | 15/12/19 01:51 AM |
| 5 | Is this a good sub for a leftist who isn't on board with gender spectrum weirdness?r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | /r/MensRights | 14/12/19 02:31 AM |
| 1 | I'm gonna say I'm a woman up frontYou seem to be fairly reasonable and quite open-minded (and not ideological and dogmatic like a lot of other feminists who come here are) so I'll give you a couple examples of when "radical" feminists have pushed for discrimination against men in law and policy. Feminists created the Duluth Model of domestic violence. It is predicated on a paradigm of domestic violence (DV) that assumes that men are aggressors and women are victims, which characterises DV as a primarily male-perpetrated crime ca… | /r/MensRights | 13/12/19 03:58 AM |
| 3 | For those who are left-leaning, what is the extent of the Matilda effect?Oh my god, I'm really very tired of hearing "women were property". Listen. When a man married a woman, he was legally obligated to feed, clothe and shelter her to the best of his ability. He could not sell her. He could not return her for his money back. He could not drop her at the local midden heap. He could not destroy her the way he could his actual chattels. He could not trade her for a better one. He could not legally neglect her. The purpose of marriage in the past was to ensure that wome… | /r/MensRights | 11/12/19 09:04 PM |
| 2 | The difference between flirting and sexual harassment"I'll pick and choose what's assault and what's not, thanks." | /r/MensRights | 11/12/19 08:48 PM |
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