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That's not how shyness works in general. It depends a lot on why you are shy, what you are afraid of, and what your life experiences were. For some people actually confrontation makes it worse. This advice in this very general form is simply inaccurate. Yes, it is good to try and improve upon shyness, but simply assuming that you have to force yourself to become better is not how it works. Trauma or differences that might trigger trauma (e.g., autism) may actually be worsened by rejection, since…
/r/seduction03/10/22 12:26 AM
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I think the point of all of the subject matter here, no matter what, don't get overly emotional early on with anyone and let things develop as they will. Plant the seed, add water as needed and watch things grow...never over do it. That's a great analogy.
/r/seduction22/09/22 08:45 PM
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That sounds like you are heavily relying on first impressions. But many people only find you attractive when they get to know you, so even if you don't actually "manage" several girls in parallel, you have to put yourself out there. People coming to you just by being you and not "advertizing" yourself does not work. Doing that is time consuming as well. The only option I could see where that would work to your benefit, is when you like to socalize a lot, are very extroverted, such that you enjoy…
/r/seduction22/09/22 11:50 AM
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I think this works only to a point. Even if you have several options, it might hurt if you lose someone. And it's also difficult to have deep bonds with many people at the same time. Finally, if all is equally valueable, doesn't it become meaningless?
/r/seduction22/09/22 11:45 AM
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It remains that if you ask her to come back home with you, no matter what you show her there or suggest doing there, it is going to have an innuendo to it. Netflix and chill was no exception, especially when it's someone you just met. The slight difference was that it felt a bit like something you would do at home anyways, so it sounded more safe and familiar and less like going to a stranger's place. If it meshes well with what you were doing or talking before, then it's a smoother transition, …
/r/seduction27/08/22 05:19 AM
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Maybe I misunderstood, but I like asking people I find interesting many questions. Not because I am "desperate" it's just how I engage in general. They are real questions, not questions to force the conversation to keep going, and it will determine how interested I will be/stay myself. So maybe you should specify more precisely what you mean with "too many questions", "too much validation", that's why I quoted the section.
/r/seduction21/08/22 09:38 AM
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Then with the women that I actively chase, or even perhaps start out with a careless attitude but then develop a deeper attraction and naturally shift my behavior to reflect that, there is a pattern that becomes more and more clear over the years, one in which as the dynamic shifts their attraction seems to fade. Yep, agree about the fading.
/r/seduction21/08/22 09:22 AM
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if you are coming from a genuine place you can show interest all day. I like that mindset. Having to pretend you are not interested just score seems fake. What kind of success is that, if you are not yourself?
/r/seduction21/08/22 09:16 AM
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Easy, stop working out ;)
/r/seduction21/08/22 09:08 AM
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After looking through your post history, I can tell that you aren’t that guy (respectfully). You ask too many questions, you see too much validation. This is literally poison to your seduction game. It becomes boring to "score" people you don't know anything about. Casual/fun interactions are fine sometimes, but quickly feel empty.
/r/seduction21/08/22 09:05 AM
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Yeah, they are looking for a matching partner playing the same game, just like a dance. A lot of these interactions are not about the specific person, just if you play along "right". If you enjoy this game it's fun, otherwise it can feel objectifying and being used, since you have to closely follow expectations.
/r/seduction21/08/22 09:01 AM
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Personality is developed for yourself, not to please others.
/r/seduction21/08/22 08:52 AM
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Their willingness to use political violence, the suppression of dissenting views (even within their ranks,) the viewing of "others" as inferior, utilizing the state for control, all of these things are strongly associated with Authoritarianism. Unfortunately I have seen this behavior within the leftwing male advocates sub here as well. Creating more trauma in people who don't follow the agreed upon script and criticizing the norm there, which is ironic, given they criticize the same about femini…
/r/MensRights12/08/22 04:22 PM
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Don't you see that you are speaking exactly like the "hot" guys you complain about? You are successful in the job market and think that anyone can do it. But your salary is way above the average, and there are many unemployed people (for example due to health reasons) that struggle to find jobs. Your experience in applying to jobs was favorable, it was not for others, many of which work several jobs and still are in debt. Not to mention people in poor countries with no jobs. Dating is definitely…
/r/seduction31/07/22 01:59 PM
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Being alone and lonely is really hard. People in dating forget that average personality, looks, and interests is actually an advantage, as is familiarity. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/ulterior-motives/201312/the-attractiveness-average-and-familiar-faces That's why rating people on a scale makes no sense, it just tells you what is conventionally attractive to the average, but not what the type of person you would really want finds attractive, nor what is the best (if that even makes se…
/r/seduction31/07/22 01:43 PM
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You never want to become a toy for others, no matter how many women it gets you, or how much "success" you have, it will make you burn out. Instead love yourself, mature, and grow, and find people who match your energy. Everything else is just adapting for popularity sake, and is not sustainable. Don't become the man women want, become the man and more importantly person you personally would respect. People who respect and love that version of yourself and help you grow and nurture you are the h…
/r/seduction31/07/22 01:25 PM
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It's nice when older (you aren't old yet) people like you are up for a chat or just friendly gesture. It makes it a much nicer day, and also helps give a community feeling, even if the exchange is brief. Thanks for being one of those people.
/r/seduction19/07/22 05:23 AM
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And you gotta be careful because I know many women that will manipulate desperate men and play on their emotions. Thanks for pointing this out. Too few mention that men can be victims as well.
/r/seduction19/07/22 05:05 AM
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I didn't say it to play a game/coy or because I was "lying" about my intentions, I was trying to convince myself it was true. I think that's really the key point. You are mostly trying to talk yourself out of it and resist your urges.
/r/seduction18/07/22 02:20 AM
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And it just feels plain sexy to speak your mind and being accepted doing so, even if it may not follow through all the way. After all sex is just more acceptance of the same, speaking your mind and letting your body talk.
/r/seduction18/07/22 02:09 AM
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Yes, and also, kind rejections really don't feel bad at all. It's more about being accepted in an interaction, and being treated well. It gives you freedom and agency, and that is the most important. Trying out, playing, having fun, and finding compatible people along the way. That's a life long skill to hone and to attract what is good for you. And if you feel good while searching, there isn't really much being lost at all.
/r/seduction18/07/22 02:05 AM
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desensitize your self to rejection I don't think that this is a good idea, actually. Depending on who you are it might just cause deep feelings of selfdoubt and selfworth issues. The positive mindset above is much more healthy perspective. Look for enjoyable interactions first and foremost, not to win or score. Like approaching people in general, with no specific goal, less "horrible" things will happen this way. If you are too invested and want success desperately, then it will sting a lot. Get…
/r/seduction18/07/22 01:56 AM
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Yes, a kind and friendly rejection doesn't even hurt. The doubt, the games, the implied messages are what sucks. Someone gently saying no is fine actually, and even raises your mood. It means you can feel safe interacting with people. You could "score" and still don't get that feeling of comfort or safety, and then it's not really a win at all. So if you have to work too hard for it and it's frustrating but you "scored" in the end, what did you really gain? The interaction matters as much as rea…
/r/seduction18/07/22 01:48 AM
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Yeah, I think that is a healthy mindset in life in general. We are taught so much to fight and resist, especially in politics, that we forget it's okay if people "don't see light". We aren't missionaires, people have brains and are adult enough to make things work out. Seduction and fun life really should be a space where it doesn't matter how people react, it's about finding people who go in a similar direction.
/r/seduction18/07/22 01:46 AM
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I would still avoid that type of girl, real bf or not. Who wants to be her second option or play such games and be used even if you "score"? Better save it for someone who values your time and worth.
/r/seduction18/07/22 01:42 AM
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Yes, it doesn't matter to "win" but to be seen, and have people understand your intentions is beautiful.
/r/seduction18/07/22 01:30 AM
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I haven't noticed any change. Is this because of Rhode v. Wade in the US? If so how would that affect the laws in any way, they are barking up the wrong tree. Maybe try a hunger strike in front of the court, but this move just sounds completely pointless.
/r/MensRights28/06/22 11:39 AM
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They would do better to realize that feminism isn't a monolith, and that exploiting reputation management is the primary weapon of female chauvinists. Well put, I wish this kind of phrases were more common in common media, to remind people how strong and frequent guilt tripping is used as a weapon.
/r/MensRights16/06/22 07:33 AM
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I've only had one woman threaten to have another man beat me up. I told her; He better be faster than a 10mm bullet. I'd be afraid such a statement would get you in trouble as well. Also, you'd have to back it up with actions, when it comes to real life confrontation, which you probably don't want... But what if you don't work in security field or you are in a moment where you don't feel like fighting due to being generally exhausted. How do you defend from people who send guys to proxy threaten…
/r/MensRights15/06/22 06:28 PM
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If you are established and leading a routine, then you wont have fun no matter your age. Or if you assume that being young, which is still the case when you are 40, is all about doing crazy things, drinking and doing drugs, then that superficial thrill seeking will wear off. Traveling and meeting interesting people is certainly something you can do more as you get more mature. The most accomplished people get more interesting as they age, not less. If it happens then because it's a selffulfillin…
/r/MensRights14/06/22 08:17 AM
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"towards minority groups like women" Women are not a minority, there are actually more women than men. Maybe you mean marginalized, but I suppose we agree that's not true in the West, either.
/r/MensRights11/06/22 10:43 AM
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Yep. When people say here men listen or support better, I don't think it's accurate. Some men are, many aren't.
/r/MensRights11/06/22 08:47 AM
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It's not limited to under 30. The beauty ideals are extreme, which goes together with agism.
/r/MensRights11/06/22 12:24 AM
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I get your point and I agree that they should look at more majors, to get a more neutral picture. Finance requires quite some math but also does not qualify as STEM. Nursing is even less fitting in this category. Using technology and developing/analyzing it are two quite different things. Pharmacy might be in the middle, since it is related to research of chemistry and biology, but also has practical aspects in real life that have little to do with research. Biology however is a good example of …
/r/MensRights10/06/22 07:48 PM
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It starts with relationships already, where men are shamed into being exclusive and guilt tripped, yet women are free to experiment.
/r/MensRights09/06/22 03:49 PM
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The start sounded encouraging, until this part "Usually the captain is the hardest working one on a ship". This sounds exhausting. Real freedom means you don't have to lead, but rather found a mode where you divided responsibilities equally, and control how you do it and when, and otherwise don't worry about it. But the real lesson wasn't to follow in your footsteps that far, just to not be afraid to lead your life exactly how you think you should, without making apologies, and finding someone w…
/r/MensRights09/06/22 03:46 PM
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Should have added a note saying something like: "not kink shaming, but keep your fantasies (and people who didn't agree to be involved in them) private"
/r/MensRights04/06/22 12:44 AM
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All I want to say that I am really sorry you had to go through this. I have had traumatic experiences with externals trying to break up a past relationship with such threats, and using this tactic to create distance, but it didn't go that far as in your case. Still it made me scared and sleepless for many nights, including being paranoid wondering what triggered that weird behavior. Not knowing what or why it happens makes you so scared since you don't know how to avoid it in future. I hope some…
/r/MensRights27/05/22 10:20 AM
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I wholeheartedly agree with your post. I would add that it should also be possible to show emotion, including anger, about some topics when sharing a personal perspective. It should not be prevented, as long as it doesn't attack people personally or drag them down (for example including others in negative self-perceptions, and trying to convince them they are "victims", too). Too many debates about sensitive topics, including in men's rights, will receive a downvotes when people disagree, and th…
/r/MensRights27/05/22 10:04 AM
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Not just really young men. Agism is rapant as well. Unless you are really successful, age is always used to make people feel less worthy.
/r/MensRights27/05/22 09:54 AM
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Mexico has indisputably a very rich culture. Many other countries have a rich culture as well, even if they are currently not economically that strong. It's not correlated.
/r/MensRights27/05/22 09:44 AM
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That's because "men" in their minds don't include those, but their current favorite hate target: successful white men in power (add in some agism as well for good measure). They are blind for men of other skin color currently, or those that are not as successful or powerful. They are focused like a deer in the headlights on a specific group they made bad experiences with (or were told they would). The bogeyman changes, the principle is the same. It's really like racism, generalizing over all, ev…
/r/MensRights27/05/22 09:37 AM
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I'll ask to hear me out before getting downvoted, but it's probably no use, so ... The major issue I have with this movement is that you can't give additional perspectives that don't follow the exact mindset and wording many people in this movement have, without getting downvoted or attacked personally. A lot of this movement is pain driven, which is understandable, but also negatively affects people who are fine. Then people will doubt if they were really fine, or just suggest they aren't. Yes,…
/r/MensRights27/05/22 09:23 AM
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Exactly. People who have too much power, be it men or women, will lead to unfair treatment. For the same reason we shouldn't be too keen to be part of a group or against it.
/r/MensRights25/05/22 01:16 PM
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Unfortunately I have seen that on men's right subs now as well, and not just by feminists. I guess it's human nature :/
/r/MensRights25/05/22 01:03 PM
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Not always. It has to be about the "right" topic, otherwise even actual facts will be denied and you get censored or banned.
/r/MensRights20/05/22 05:43 AM
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It did create a gulf between mgmt and workers, men were resentful since they were paid less, the women had little knowledge of the technical side of the business and pushed the men in unreasonable ways. It is quite annoying, no matter if man or woman. When managers (or any decision makers, really) are not knowledgeable about the field, but think they should tell you what to do. Managing people is hard, managing them without really understanding them is harder.
/r/MensRights20/05/22 05:15 AM
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No, I don't have an issue with women being also shown to represent a topic. What I have noticed however is that the modern trend is to almost exclusively show them when it comes to publicity (in most STEM fields), as if men were the minority in a field or should be hidden, since they aren't "presentable". I think it should be a realistic representation, so everyone feels welcome. The "face" of a topic should not just be from the accepted or currently expected types, no matter if men or women. It…
/r/MensRights20/05/22 05:05 AM
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Difficult topic. On the one hand you certainly don't want people to be just seen as an object (neither as man nor woman, women objectify men as well). On the other hand you also don't want women to become the "face" of a topic, and take away all the attention from men working there.
/r/MensRights19/05/22 10:36 PM
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I am not sure if it's higher level, a lot of comments there show knee jerk reactions and you get the most upvotes, not for well thought out or balanced comments, but for comments that agree with the commonly agreed upon narrative there. Introducing actually new ideas or challenging wording that is misandrist, but apparently protected by moderation, won't be met with openness either. It's not how I would see real liberal or left wing politics (even if that's rare today), which is accepting of man…
/r/MensRights19/05/22 10:04 PM
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Actually sensitivity, does not suffer when done right: https://www.nature.com/articles/nrurol.2016.3 https://www.webmd.com/baby/news/20030430/circumcision-does-not-affect-sensitivity https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23937309/ https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/04/160414114249.htm Here regarding studies that criticize the 2013 study: "Male Circumcision Does Not Reduce Sexual Function, Sensitivity or Satisfaction": https://www.scirp.org/journal/paperinformation.aspx?paperid=57720 It's a con…
/r/MensRights19/05/22 02:51 PM
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There is r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates/ but they also enforce some language that I find questionable and are not free of misandry in some cases, when specific protected groups post there. Major issue with most MRM subreddits (and maybe most activism) is that the topics can drag you down with negativity over time.
/r/MensRights18/05/22 08:33 PM
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I am certain that it would work. Tribalism is quite effective. I just wish that people would instead help each other, because tribalism has many negative effects as well. Each time you deviate from the group think, you will be ostracized. Just like with feminism... Not to mention the other negatives of in and out group. So while effective, I don't think I want it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/05/22 07:18 PM
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It's not about dating nor the rest.
/r/MensRights17/05/22 07:10 PM
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Not a surprise that a lot of sub fantasies of women are exactly about men like that...
/r/MensRights17/05/22 07:57 AM
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Last time a woman was upset at me for asking what she meant with curvy (and I was not trying to insult and used appropriate phrasing), she lectured me about how to talk to women (lol), and said something along the lines of me having to be careful, if I didn't want to use my hand tonight. First the reply upset me, because of the sudden unexpected rudeness, then I found it funny as I realized she thought we were flirting.
/r/MensRights17/05/22 07:45 AM
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They apparently have never seen male underwear models, that all look like bodybuilders. Same for "men's" magazines, only body builders, not normal fit men. Same for "fit for fun" and similar publications: women are slim but not worked out much (which makes no sense, since there are real fitness models). Men are again, body builders.
/r/MensRights17/05/22 07:41 AM
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Just because body positivity has taken a weird turn does not mean the general concept is wrong. It's about all different types of bodies that are natural instead of enforcing only one, that is dictated by time and trends. And no, fat bodies were indeed seen as desirable for a while as you can see in old paintings. It represented wealth. For the same reason, Asians prefer white skin (no work in the field), while Westeners prefer tan skin (time for tanning). But even if none of this was true, and …
/r/MensRights17/05/22 07:38 AM
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A general apathy/ lack of friendliness when they meet each other for the first time. I don't feel this is true in Europe (Western at least).
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/05/22 07:25 AM
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Unfortunately also people advocating for men's rights talk about the top 10% and adopt this wrong mindset, even if they just complain about dating apps.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/05/22 07:24 AM
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Being proxy violence for women. This is so widespread and barely punished. Actually, most of the time it is even rewarded by officials.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/05/22 07:22 AM
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Ugh. Those types are so disgusting. To be a man first and foremost means you use your power wisely and fairly. This behavior is so abusive, yet rarely called out or sanctioned.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/05/22 07:21 AM
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Most men seem to have an aversion to grouping together and helping each other based on sex Why help each other based on sex instead of based on person? Grouping of any kind, be it gender, race, or organization is tribalism. Tribalism has shown to be highly problematic, so I would prefer to acknowledge valid points, and then defend those, no matter where they are coming from. I highly dislike how women call each other sisters or say girl power. It sounds quite immature. People matter, and issues …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/05/22 07:10 AM
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It's probably a result of women needing to be more vigilant of dangers to children, because they are less able to protect than men. Women are not helpless at all in modern society. Men are actually much more likely to get physically assaulted. And people readily come to support women who stirr up drama. This is just part of the toxic fear towards men, that hurts men.
/r/MensRights16/05/22 12:11 PM
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Social connection is the single most important thing you can do for your mental health according to a whole bunch of literature. Nothing comes close Thanks for pointing that out. The stoic mindset ignores this major need, and the advice it gives regarding that doesn't help.
/r/MensRights16/05/22 11:40 AM
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Some of the historical scriptures, thousands of years old, are dedicated to porn. (Kamasutra). Kamasutra is not porn, but teaching people how to have sex, what types of people (and genitalia) are compatible, and how to be closer and more sensual with each other. It's seen as sacred, but not in a puritan way. Edit: from Wikipedia: The Kama Sutra is an ancient Indian Sanskrit text on sexuality, eroticism and emotional fulfillment in life. The Kama Sutra is neither exclusively nor predominantly a s…
/r/MensRights16/05/22 09:08 AM
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It is actually degrading to men. That this whole business model is so profitable shows that society is messed up. With population almost evenly divided in male and female gender, it shouldn't be possible to make so much money with such a "service", if society wasn't messed up and encouraging this form of abuse.
/r/MensRights16/05/22 09:07 AM
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Effectively we as human beings are just vehicles for our genes to get propagated and passed on. That's ideology and biologically unfounded.
/r/MensRights16/05/22 02:05 AM
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you misinterpreted what I wrote. never have I implied that evolution was rational. We rationalise it afterwards to make sense of it. Exactly, and that is what you did when saying this: "Our base urge is to protect (side with) women since they were necessary for reproduction. tribes that didn't do that went extinct." It's pure speculation. And I gave you an alternative that works equally well.
/r/MensRights16/05/22 02:04 AM
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Your point was not women in general, but women of a certain age range. Almost all women alive today are affected by the pill no matter their age.
/r/MensRights15/05/22 10:10 PM
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Do you also have a source that uses the same age bracket and compares it over time, not those vs younger women or men?
/r/MensRights15/05/22 10:07 PM
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You have to compare with people of this same age bracket in previous times. Were they also more depressed? In general the amount of prescribed antidepressants has increased, which is heavily criticized as just numbing the causes, using the simplistic mindset of "chemical imbalance". On a separate note: I also notice a trend here that people like to focus on age as a "karma" response. It's not a productive mindset, as everyone becomes older, and it shames people who had a difficult life, not just…
/r/MensRights15/05/22 10:06 PM
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It has worked before, it will keep working. Feminism is relatively new considering all of human history. It (and more importantly, their most problematic ideas) were not as widespread. What was, can become again. Humans exist because they challenge the very nature of the impossible and hard. Life is all about doing that, unless you reached a comfortable level and become complacent or tired. But human history is full of evidence of overcoming the seemingly impossible.
/r/MensRights15/05/22 09:55 PM
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You are confounding a couple of things here. Our base urge is to protect (side with) women since they were necessary for reproduction. tribes that didn't do that went extinct. The fact that we still exist today means that our ancestors had the instinct to protect their women to be able to procreate. Evolution doesn't work this way. It's not rational. A lot of things have evolved randomly, and as long as they aren't a very very serious threat to survival, they wont play a role in natural selectio…
/r/MensRights15/05/22 09:50 PM
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Actually, especially 30+ years ago it was different. Even more so in the 70s and 80s. The US military lobbyed against this change because people were protesting wars, too much, and partnered with film studios to provide expensive equipment under the condition to show the US army in a positive light. Since then men have become more and more like war machines again, and became more and more buff. That other more traditional mindsets came back, is not surprising either. Establishment needed their s…
/r/MensRights15/05/22 09:43 PM
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Well obviously, being a bachelor was pointed out by traditional society for a long time. Flower power/sexual liberation temporarily changed some of that. Now we are back to a very traditionalist mindset with people having kids much earlier again, ironically, calling themselves progressive.
/r/MensRights15/05/22 09:42 PM
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I thought we were past the "It's just human nature" argument. Civilization only exists because of humans being able to overcome our base urges, so that's no excuse. Thank you. Just because there are differences due to gender does not mean we shouldn't expect people to behave respectfully and in a mature way. Otherwise we can justify any kind of behavior, like murder, too, since the impulse to be violent is "human nature".
/r/MensRights15/05/22 09:40 PM
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Even if two men don't care or hate each other they can usually put their differences aside and get back to work. I mean overall you aren't wrong. But going to the other extreme is also not realistic. Politics show how people fighting over power, men or women, behave in ugly ways.
/r/MensRights15/05/22 09:31 PM
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The first (still mechanical) washing machine was invented by a woman.
/r/MensRights15/05/22 09:27 PM
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xrays X-Rays were discovered by Wilhelm Conrad Röntgen, which is why they are also called röntgen rays/radiation.
/r/MensRights15/05/22 09:26 PM
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This is about inventors, not entrepreneurs, which is quite different. Most inventors didn't have nor needed much money, unless they wanted to become entrepreneurs. Patents are now almost exlusively held by companies, it was different in the past and actually existed to protect inventors from companies.
/r/MensRights15/05/22 09:21 PM
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Disgusting remarks. I don't understand why this isn't called out publicly more.
/r/MensRights15/05/22 09:16 PM
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Assuming everyone is in the same age range just because of statistics is a weird mindset. We need to be more inclusive, not less, like in recent years where people stick more and more to their little bubbles. It's a reason for the rise of agism, and another for depression, because people feel excluded.
/r/MensRights15/05/22 09:07 PM
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Enough women tell other men to beat up guys in their names. Who defends men when they are attacked? "Male strength" is a myth, men come in different sizes and builds, same as women. Averages means nothing for individuals, which are *not* averages.
/r/MensRights15/05/22 05:28 AM
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That only works for a body builder lifting a petite woman. That's why most dancer pairs have such tall guys with such petite women. It's quite hard to lift someone up like that. Let's not pretend it's the norm. And even then, it wont be without shaking muscles and certainly not relaxed while doing something else, unfazed. Especially with just one hand, it's quite ridiculous.
/r/MensRights15/05/22 05:02 AM
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Even hitting the man in the eyes, groin or similar vulnerable areas might not work depending on how much adrenaline is flowing through his system, only making him more enraged. Stop depicting men like unbeatable war machines. It can and very much will incapacitate many men. Also not all men are equally strong. Thinking in averages is nonsensical, if you are not one of the buff ones, but thin and not strong. This kind of thinking just leads to wrong ideas of who can be abused and how and why. Alt…
/r/MensRights15/05/22 05:01 AM
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That's nonsense. Nobody with special training can do that. Also women have strong legs and hips. If they sit on you and suffocate you with their thighs there is not much you can do. Women have much stronger legs than men on average.
/r/MensRights15/05/22 04:59 AM
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Men are just very much stronger. They have bigger bones, bigger hearts and lungs as well as well developed upper bodies good for fighting. Overpowering a woman is trivial for most men. You are talking about averages, which don't have to be true depending on the woman or man that actually "match" up. Enough men are thin and not that strong. There are tall and buff women who are not easy to beat. Also women have stronger legs and thigh muscles and pelvises. They just need to adapt their fighting s…
/r/MensRights15/05/22 04:55 AM
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She is a very undisciplined fighter and unskilled, it's not even a matter of power or gender.
/r/MensRights15/05/22 04:47 AM
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I don't think the whining is what men's right advocates criticize the most. The issue is unfair treatment and problematic lobbying for misandrist legislation, dangerous behavior, and unnecessary insults/lack of respect, etc. You can say one leads to the other, but I think that is going a bit far. The real problem is when it becomes an irrational downspiral into negativity. Complaining (to a point) is healthy.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/05/22 04:25 AM
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Feminism was hated for long as well. Men's right absolutely do have a chance of becoming more mainstream. Still there needs to be a lot of development and also ingroup growing and checking, so it doesn't become yet another ideology that becomes self-serving and blind to reality.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/05/22 04:22 AM
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Both just focus on their capitalist elities and donors. The rest is minimal activism for cosmetic reasons.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/05/22 04:20 AM
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Most conservatives I know are very open minded, believe in gay rights, could care less about gender norms, and are actually very against preserving the status quo. It makes no sense to call yourself a conservative and not wanting to preserve the status quo. Maybe you mean right wing? As far as the status quo though, wouldn't you say the status quo is actually leftist for the most part? Not at all. The past was a lot more social and people could make more money from simple labour than today. The …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/05/22 04:15 AM
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Peterson mixes opposition to problematic ideas (which is good) with his personal conservative ideas (which is bad). A real advisor should not give advice on how to live your life (he tends to advocate quite traditional roles, and life paths, and uses too much fear of the future to "educate" -- far too linear life planning that is unrealistic today), but how to find a way that matches your personality and skills. He mentions that in some ways, but he remains too ideological in his advice and sugg…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/05/22 04:08 AM
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It's no longer the case and however conspiratory it may sound, I think the fact that feminism has become THE religion of our times, plays it's role in this phenomenon Feminism has many faults but that's not their doing. Globalization and more and more focus on the market (instead of people) is what has been causing that. Feminism is more about distribution of what is available, but doesn't really lobby for real economic change or influence, just power within certain power structures.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/05/22 04:04 AM
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I'm liberal, which is a different thing in Europe and usually means you are progressive, but more centrist and not marxist. In Europe liberals can be either left wing or right wing (or in between). The most common ones tend to be right wing today, since they are neoliberal and believe in a mostly free market. but more centrist and not marxist Except for absolute fringe parties, there are no Marxist parties in Europe. Leftwing and social capitalism/market is not Marxist nor socialist.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/05/22 04:00 AM
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Marx is not a feminist. Feminism extended Marxism (and other theories) to Marxist feminism. Otherwise they are unrelated. And the left is certainly not marxist nor socialist. The West is not the UDSSR or marxist China.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/05/22 03:53 AM
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The left is neither just the US (nor its democratic party), nor are feminists really leftists. A lot of their positions are very conservative. Enough of them publish in conservative newspapers, as well.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/05/22 03:48 AM
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I am not convinced that is actually true. They seem to be understanding, but what they really push for are traditional gender roles, which are also not favorable for men. Also they tend to suggest stoicism, which doesn't help at all in case of depression or lack of social contacts. Regarding dating, a lot of advice is quite toxic really, and suggests you should make yourself a puppet (aka "man up") to make her desire you. Not much of conservative advice supports men in becoming independent if th…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/05/22 03:44 AM
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Unfortunately that's also why I avoided contacting any. When you see already how they speak about men on their websites, you feel like you will have to defend yourself. When you can't let your guard down, how can you heal?
/r/MensRights13/05/22 08:30 AM
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An arrest is still not necessary if the person doesn't pose an imminant danger to others. Confiscation of evidence and other material is enough to investigate.
/r/MensRights13/05/22 03:12 AM
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This "tall dark and handsome" stereotype in Hollywood always bothered me as discriminatory. Equally when they select characters that were supposed to be attractive or popular. Blonde guys were rarely shown as popular. This kind of discrimination apparently bothered nobody. Now white men are hated alltogether, so I guess the problem is "fixed".
/r/MensRights13/05/22 12:00 AM
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But she should be under no obligation or expectation to give you a reason. Obviously an objective explanation would be helpful to YOU, but that would be a favor from her to you. If you had an actual relationship, then yes, men and women do have to give a proper reason. That people support this selfish "I go when I want and I dont need to explain anything" are wrong. You benefit from a relationship, and that comes with obligations. Same as contracts. Usually contracts come with negatives when you…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/05/22 07:34 AM
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Every time I've ever rejected a woman, she's taken it really badly People will even try to convince and shame you into giving her a chance, or you are somehow a bad person. It's weird. Gently saying you are not interested, in the nicest way possible, suddenly her friends hate you, and will tell you you aren't all that... It's really disstressing. Apparently her liking you for whatever reason is you making promises in their minds.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/05/22 07:26 AM
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I see this on social media all the time, some women talking about men on dating apps as "silly little talking pictures". That's quite a let down to hear it is so blatantly disrespectful. Do you have quotes like that from public accounts?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/05/22 07:24 AM
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And that kind of rejection is almost kind of dehumanizing. Like damn, apparently I'm not even worth an explanation. And people will defend a woman's right to treat you like garbage on the side of the street vehemently. Blocking can be equally a power trip, when one side decides they are satisfied to end something without real explanation, since they moved on silently already. Especially with intimate relationships, this sudden move is quite traumatizing and a lack of responsibility. But it certa…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/05/22 07:22 AM
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All of those issues are feminist topics too Why so obsessed with having one group or ideology being the only one that can discuss or "own" a certain topic? Feminism does have a lot of toxic positions, and as any movement and ideology, should be called out for that. There is no reason that feminism should be the only frame of reference when discussing egalitarianism. Actually, egalitarianism being owned by only one group goes against its very idea. Do people here sometimes obsess over feminism? S…
/r/MensRights12/05/22 06:34 AM
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I think abuse from parents goes unnoticed in many ways. Physical abuse is still quite tolerated, when the target is a boy/man. As someone else said: "you are the problem" is quite often the reaction when it comes to boys, for both parents.
/r/MensRights12/05/22 06:16 AM
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Actually in "old practice" it was very common to approach people in daily life, that's how most couples met. Only recently people have become obsessed with limiting it to organized or planned events aimed at dating. Striking up conversations with strangers is even part of many cultures, making it awkward and "wrong" is a recent change.
/r/MensRights12/05/22 04:34 AM
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One way this can be tackled is to approach people without a specific goal except for having a fun interaction and seeing where it goes. If people react badly to this, that's on them, and you have no reason to feel bad for wanting to socialize. It's a human need, and completely valid. Know what your real intentions are (and yes even wanting sex or romance is nothing bad!) and don't let people's judgements of what they might think you want override what you know you actually wanted to do. To a poi…
/r/MensRights12/05/22 04:24 AM
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Having to take other people's emotions into account that much, while they dismiss yours and are totally unable to see you are anxious, too, means you are helping them dehumanize you. It's a two way street, and people can't expect that their wishes are the only thing that matters. They should learn some social skills as well, to not judge people wrongly, who might be just as awkward as they are...
/r/MensRights12/05/22 04:19 AM
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Society needs to change. Individuals can't fix all on their own, which is why I object this stoic mindset. However the true part is to remove the control people have over you as much as possible, and do all you can to not let them get into your head. The ultimate goal is not to convince people, since you won't convince or change many, but to reach freedom as much as possible, without restricting yourself more and more. In other words, shaking off those grabby controlling hands (figuratively), th…
/r/MensRights12/05/22 04:13 AM
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The point is, she made me feel like a criminal for being lost and trying to explore a new place. My break was no longer about finding a nice spot for coffee, it was about wiping away that feeling of undeserved guilt It truly sucks, the assumptions of bad character can be quite triggering, especially if you had bad experiences. I think that kind of behavior needs to be called out. It's really not far away from making false accusations or harassment due to unwarranted prosecution.
/r/MensRights12/05/22 04:09 AM
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Nah. You don't want to get her diseases and be one of many she had. Eww.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen11/05/22 06:08 AM
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Lots of women are initially flirty, then wait for you to impress them, and let you take the burden of making the interaction fun, or get moody when you don't do or say what they made up in their minds ahead of time. They are just bored, and you are their fix. They expect you to be their prostitute (at least that's how they treat men) and entertain them, but don't want to pay lol. No point in "scoring", it wont be fun at all, just work.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen11/05/22 06:05 AM
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I actually think it's good not to identify with labels, even without having made bad experiences. People want you to put labels on yourself so they can assess you quickly. But it's better to focus on individual ideas instead of groups and categories, so you don't limit your growth potential and flexibility.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/05/22 04:15 AM
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I think the most important point is to have views different from the mainsteam validated here, about things men rarely get support for, without turning it into hate against others. So if painful experiences get heard and understood and it's more about the experiences and issues rather than "evil" groups, I think most of the radicalization can be prevented.
/r/MensRights11/05/22 03:44 AM
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Ass in women or boobs are usually not meant as in how muscular that ass is or the boobs are. Well worked glutes or legs don't stick out hugely, unless you train for that effect specifically. Same as for body building in general. "Useful" muscles are usually lean.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/05/22 09:39 AM
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37 is not old at all. Crazy immature boy, for sure.
/r/MensRights10/05/22 02:20 AM
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Oh cute. Casually insulting people older than you. I thought already you are agist when making that irrelevant weird reference to your age. Agism is just as bad as sexism. Don't be like those you criticize.
/r/MensRights10/05/22 02:18 AM
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Let's leave the personal attacks out of this. She was wrong, but don't blame her for her looks, which is not relevant to this topic.
/r/MensRights10/05/22 01:55 AM
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He tells his story, she tells her story. Where would you get "hers" from? Only if it comes at the end: The story is hers or the story is his. But "history" was understood as: his story / her story, not the story is his/hers.
/r/MensRights10/05/22 01:49 AM
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Ah finally! I never could explain so well why I feminism is a bad term if you actually want to fight for equality. The use of feminism (female, good) vs. patriarchy (male, bad) makes the issue clear.
/r/MensRights10/05/22 01:42 AM
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But that's indeed not everything men would like to hear,because sexuality and "body positivity" are not only about performing. The problematic part of basing desireability on the satisfaction of your partner, is that you will become obsessed with pleasing them, and might do things to please them you don't really want to do. All to be seen as valueable or desireable. That's why it should not be based on performance or her pleasure. But all I see in media is about the recognition of pressure to pe…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/05/22 01:31 AM
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If that type of training really is like that, it needs to change. Deescalation should be the prime motive. The rest can be dealt with calmly. They have power, power does not need to show dominance.
/r/MensRights10/05/22 01:10 AM
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It's most men, not just young boys. It's a natural reaction, understanding it or not doesn't change it. Sexual power is real, and can be very manipulative. That's why it's frequently used as a weapon in politics. The right reaction is not to ask people to supress normal behavior, but have people in general refrain from manipulative or flirty behavior in a professional environment.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/05/22 12:37 AM
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Disagree. Not all men like it cold. People differ in their need of warmth, based on skin type and biology.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/05/22 12:35 AM
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yeah, it's a little weird when a 70-year-old principal is telling 14 year old girlsto "dress less sexy". I agree with most of your post, besides this slightly agist remark. When girls become women they are biologically naturally attractive to men. What society finds acceptable currently or not doesn't change that fact. But more importantly. The principal cares about everyone in school, his or her age doesn't matter, it's about mutual respect and not distracting / using sexual power to gain benef…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/05/22 12:33 AM
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And I absolutely agree about body image issues. People are so unaware, and I can't stand how often media focuses on girls or women. Or when male issues are addressed, it's less about acceptance from other people, and more about what medical procedures there are to solve them, or how to deal with being not wanted. But rarely is there genuine appreciation and adoration. Just "don't worry about it", or putting others down in comparison. For example penis size. They wont uplift those with smaller pe…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/05/22 11:57 PM
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Gay men can be much more appreciative and receptive, I have noticed. "Unfortunately", I am straight, so it can't provide the kind of validation needed. It's a pitty women don't learn from them in that domain. The stereotypical best male friend that is gay, is somehow only about those gays that for some reason or another give advice that is rarely in favor of straight men. Not sure why society is so obsessed with making straight men so desperate and unvalued. It's really unhealthy.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/05/22 11:51 PM
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That's actually an interesting perspective. You can have (reasonable, not body builder like) muscles, which is useful, and can be attractive, too. But its main purpose is not being attractive. Whereas a big ass probably has no other purpose.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/05/22 11:48 PM
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It's not a recent shift. But it's certainly different in old cultures, which actually worshipped the male body (and penis), as you can see in statues and gods. There is a series "the last man on earth" but instead of him being the prize and all women being crazy for him, ofc like in many current series or movies, he is the fool, gets married to someone he doesn't want (because she keeps pressurizing him), never gets the other girls that come later, though he has the opportunity initially (but mi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/05/22 11:36 PM
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Amber Heard is an attractive white woman (meme all you want, it's objectively true). It's not objectively true, she looks very mediocre. At most you could say this is part of Hollywood's brainwashing of people. But even if a majority found her attractive, which I doubt, makes something as subjective as attractiveness never objective. Objectiveness is a never changing irrefutible truth. That's not even remotely the case here. She might be the type of woman that gets away with what she does, becau…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/05/22 04:30 PM
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It's not about women, it's about yourself and society in general. And it's also not about showing vulnerability in the sense of allowing people to attack you. It's taking your emotions serious and understanding where they are coming from, instead of letting others dictate what you are allowed to feel or not.
/r/MensRights06/05/22 03:47 PM
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Actually people in the 60s and 70s were more liberal, free love etc. People have become much more conservative again. Being against "old ways" is not always being progressive.
/r/MensRights06/05/22 03:23 PM
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That's what people always say. Then those "young" people become just as their parents.
/r/MensRights06/05/22 12:58 PM
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Not showing your emotions is like not sharing your thoughts. It limits your potential for insight and exchange, and therefore growth.
/r/MensRights06/05/22 12:55 PM
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You might confuse being touchy about imagined events and actually having basic emotional needs unmet. Humans are social beings that need belonging and connection. Denying this core trait and telling people to suck it up is irrational, since it goes against human nature. Psychology has also shown that there is no point is self-punishment. Routine works, selfflaggelation however holds you back longterm. There is a big difference between being apologetic and pandering to every little whim -- which …
/r/MensRights06/05/22 12:52 PM
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People often suggest stoicism as a "solution". It's not, it's just another form of suck it up, life is unfair, or accept it. This is at best a way of coping, not a solution, nor longterm healthy. We are in a so called liberal democracy ffs. It needs to get better, and we need to care more for one another, not become more and more isolated and somehow deal with it. People need social interaction and belonging. You can't define that away. Environment matters just as much as personal growth for suc…
/r/MensRights06/05/22 12:43 PM
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That's exactly the mindset. Just have fun, brag over the top, and everyone knows you aren't serious about it. That's how good friends can have fun together.
/r/MensRights06/05/22 12:09 PM
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It's obvious they are the insecure ones and take a cheap shot at someone who just lost. You can tease someone about losing and banter, but they are trying to insult and make it too serious. Treat it like the nonsense it is, and mock them. Just say "I am so fragile I want to improve my skills, watch me become a grand champion". Or when they keep trying to put you down with words: yeah whip me harder, I like the pain, masters. Just say something ridiculous and over the top, whatever feels natural …
/r/MensRights06/05/22 11:57 AM
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Regarding the 1st. I think that's an absolute valid concern and also very valid to lobby for having choice and not doing it to babies without consent and also right to go against societal pressure or shaming (either way, circumcised or not). But insulting men who have had to or had it done, with calling it mutilation is just a form of body shaming. Going more and more extreme with bloody clothes, like feminist or other radical activists do when lobbying, is off putting, though. Apart of this, I …
/r/MensRights04/05/22 02:26 PM
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Does anyone else feel similarly? Am I being to empathetic to these women who did that? I think your POV is very healthy actually, and this "hang him/her" mindset is all too common and a reason society is so polarized. A lot is blown out of proportion, awkward or bad handling of situations are criminalized, while they shouldn't be. It's important society and people act with measure, like... adults, and don't blow things out of proportion, but also don't ignore serious distress. In the latter case…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/05/22 09:52 AM
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I actually think this is a mix of puritanism and selfrighteousness coming together to exert power over people. This seems to happen in many instances also with age gaps, to ruin and control people, then many just follow along because that's the propagated common behavior, not because it's really helpful. Some radicals will scream for more and more harsh sentences, while it helps really few and does little to protect people who are seriously scared and feeling like there is nowhere to go.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/05/22 09:44 AM
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Calling it mutilation insults all who have it done to them. Stop using that term, it doesn't help anybody, and just insults those who have had to do it for medical reasons, or simply have it now. Stick to the description of what happens, and lobby for a right to chose, but don't put the men down who are circumcised with your choice of words!
/r/MensRights04/05/22 09:33 AM
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genital mutilation Don't call it that way, especially as you said people do need it for medical procedures. You are insulting them, while not helping those who want to prevent it. Everyone calling it mutilation is being unempathic towards men.
/r/MensRights04/05/22 09:31 AM
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The point is that the child cannot decide what the parents or other people do, since it's too little to prevent it.
/r/MensRights04/05/22 09:29 AM
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You could say that is true for many, maybe even a majority. But saying that noone is self-reflective would be doing injustice to many great men and women throughout history, art, and science. People don't need to be perfect or angels, and still have the ability to self-analyze and critique to grow and improve.
/r/MensRights04/05/22 09:14 AM
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Feminism has entered a decadent stage, which causes people to turn their backs on it. The more and more powerful influence of feminism is just a late stage fight for survival, similar to authoritarian governments all over the world being a sign of late stage capitalism. It will eventually fail and dismantle itself.
/r/MensRights04/05/22 09:11 AM
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"it was cooperation between all members of the group, regardless of their gender or age, which ensured their survival". Makes a lot of sense when you look at many tribes that are still close to nature. People are not so obsessed with age like in the West, they seem much more playful and happy with each other. Besides feminism, we should also take a more general lesson about how living together cross-generational (loosely as in a small village, instead of necessarily in a house) and less competit…
/r/MensRights04/05/22 08:54 AM
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experience all kinds of exclusion. In 2014, a study was done where the percentage of women, out of 925 individuals, that was open to dating short men was 1.7%. 1.7%!!! Thanks for providing that info, I was aware that there was a clear preference, but not that it was so extreme. Now granted, you may not experience that in your immediate environment but that does not invalidate the greater population. And it does happen outside of the dating apps. Much more often than you’d think. I never wanted t…
/r/MensRights03/05/22 08:19 AM
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You misunderstand what I say, I am not agreeing with feminists or apologists. I am trying to make it more realistic, maybe that didn't come through well. When you criticize someone about being anecdotal you have to come up with stats, and cannot draw from your own experience only. I am actually very much for using your personal experience, but if you use such an argument, you have to be consistent and allow others to express their personal experience as well. My second point is that making it so…
/r/MensRights03/05/22 07:53 AM
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Such a good point! Not having the emotional support structure can prevent you from taking risks, and also improving your life in general, regarding career, relationships, or even health. People who have that support don't realize how much of a burden it can be when you have noone to really share your feelings, hopes and worries with. Fighting for a cause is not the same, it's like work, and the payoff is at most longterm. But people need shortterm caring of their feelings and needs as well.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/05/22 07:43 AM
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I wouldn't take it as shitting on them. Maybe more disappointment that there isn't a bigger movement (which depends on people joining the effort).
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/05/22 07:39 AM
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I suppose you would like to see public protests and marches, or something visible like that?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/05/22 07:38 AM
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Reddit is when a microcosm of this. Virtually every perceived 'flaw' on women, there's a subreddit where there's a bunch of men who actually like said flaw (examples are cellulite, stretch marks, scars, small boobs, hip dips and ofc BBW). I agree. Reddit is a very sad example (as most of the online world), how men today have to go above and beyond to be appreciated. While even the most unattractive woman can get a large following, simply for being female.
/r/MensRights03/05/22 07:30 AM
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This is an often overlooked point. Women's beauty ideals vary depending on societal and cultural influences, whereas men's don't. Tall and muscular men (as well as intelligent, ambitious and confident men) are prized the world over. Actually in the romantic era, men wore even makeup and "feminine" clothes, and women did swoon for that. Also see K-Pop. While currently buff types are more and more common, this is also a current trend. And this hypermasculine "ideal" is also somewhat more American.…
/r/MensRights03/05/22 07:27 AM
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He was talking about managers/leaders, I gave some counter examples.
/r/MensRights02/05/22 08:05 PM
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I'd like to just generally comment how it's nice to see some people here give productive and mature advice on how to actually deal with such issues, how to stay sane, and practical tips and literature on how to improve communication. This kind of advice is very useful, and better than the usual quite doomsday kind of mindset. Thanks to everyone here giving this kind of input, it's helpful.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/05/22 10:11 AM
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Exactly. It's actually about affection, not sex like people always claim. Recognition, warmth, companionship.
/r/MensRights02/05/22 09:20 AM
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Napoleon was quite successful. Many actors aren't actually that tall, but popular. There are certainly differences and issues. But we should be careful to not make it a self-fulfilling prophecy.
/r/MensRights02/05/22 09:17 AM
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These kinds of women are quite weird. I wonder if they even really think the height was an issue. It almost seems like peer pressure to find something bad in a man, or like "oh what will others think of me, finding him so hot, when he doesn't meet my peers' standards". It really sounded more like them reacting to expectations than saying what they really felt.
/r/MensRights02/05/22 09:12 AM
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Well, how is your experience less anecdotal than his? You would need to show stats to back up such a claim. Behavior on dating portals, which is certainly toxic and entitled, does still not mean that women go around and randomly insult men about their height in everyday life. Edit: downvoting a valid question does make you look childish.
/r/MensRights02/05/22 09:05 AM
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I wouldn't say that's true always. Some are this way, some tall or large guys use it to intimidate as well, when it suits them. (Granted the bully attitude is not usually from friends, but really tall or large guys do use their power advantage when it benefits them or it benefits their friends for "protecting".) Tall scrawny guys are a different type again.
/r/MensRights02/05/22 08:58 AM
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What does any of what you said have to do with patriarchy, and not in reality, with current beauty ideals? There were times were fat women were the ideal, times (and places) were skinny women were ideal (especially in Asia, were you could say the patriarchy is stronger). The ideal for big boobs are not related to patriarchy at all, blaming everything on it is a simplistic way to explain the world.
/r/MensRights02/05/22 08:48 AM
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Blaming feminism, women, or minorities for the problems that we face in society is a waste of time and it minimizes our own issues, and it makes people unwilling to hear our actual problems Why would any group be exempt of criticism? That infantilizes them and takes their agency away. Obviously every mature person is able to make mistakes. Assuming that a society is free of mutual influences is naive at best.
/r/MensRights02/05/22 08:42 AM
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That explains so much of the toxic advice people give about relationships, and how to end them or to react, causing needless pain and escalation. When a real honest caring and mature way to talk issues out and possibly end things amicably, would be so much healthier. But somehow it always has to escalate to making one side evil, and the worst of human kind, and threaten with authority (or whatever power you have). I wonder if this mindset is also why politics seems to be more and more polarizing…
/r/MensRights02/05/22 08:33 AM
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Let's be honest, degrading men sexually is seen as "funny" and "no big deal". I remember people throwing away underwear in highschool after swimming, so a boy had to go looking for it, and then be told it's in the girls changing room section... People being cruel is nothing new, and I can't remember anybody ever caring. It's pathetic and unfortunately real.
/r/MensRights29/04/22 03:28 PM
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That implicitly shames men in that age range as well, and just is the same kind of thing they would say. Don't see how that is helping anyone, just spreading more hate and making people feel even more lonely.
/r/MensRights29/04/22 03:23 PM
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Looking at the satire subreddit, or at least what I can find with some caching sites, I am not so sure if I would have liked reading it. It is putting men down, even if satirically, it still will affect you when you read too much of it, similar to the black pill. But yeah fds should be banned completely.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/04/22 08:03 PM
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At least it's private. The only time I commented there, suggesting that women's magazines and social media were really the ones who made women insecure, not men, and that men suffer from social media as well, I was downvoted heavily. The fact that a lot of fashion "ambassadors" are women, and female influencers are the ones who give advice on how to look great and compete, didn't matter. Mentioning the stats about online dating, and how men have average standards vs. women who have inflated ones…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/04/22 07:55 PM
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Again, I would be careful with overconfidence in certain methods: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11780179/
/r/MensRights27/04/22 09:04 AM
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One article discussing the issue about putting in too much trust (I can't believe I have to defend her, which I don't want to, but this overconfidence is wrong): https://www.newscientist.com/article/2233956-controversial-psychology-tests-are-often-still-used-in-us-courts/
/r/MensRights27/04/22 08:56 AM
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I guess my question is also how do you know you aren't the bad one or she is behaving the way she does because of you? How do you differentiate guilt tripping from actual valid criticism. Well I guess it being more or less productive is an indicator. But I can't help it. Eventhough I am on Depp's side, I feel equally bad now that everyone seems to be against her. While I was on his side when everyone was against him. This everyone against one things just strikes me as wrong and not helpful.
/r/MensRights27/04/22 08:38 AM
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Yes, but what I am asking is what a normal healthy behavior of attractive women looks like. I haven't seen it tbh, so I would need real world examples. Good examples of a healthy baseline. Social media isn't really helpful for getting it, and if you don't already experienced it, you don't know what to look for.
/r/MensRights27/04/22 07:31 AM
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I never found this generational thinking to be so productive. It strips you of the individuality you have. Also 20 years is not a generation, most people in the west get their kids in their 30s. It seems to me it has been a tendency in media to make generations hate each other. Just like feminism, more of the divide and conquer mindset. Group think is bad.
/r/MensRights27/04/22 07:25 AM
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It was always a mix of being influential and persecuted. You could even claim the most influence was after the world wars. The influence today, at least in culture, and intellectual debates, seems to be much less now. Christians were also heavily persecuted, before they became the state religion in rome.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/04/22 07:15 AM
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He's not personally going to judge those decisions. Given how hands-on he has been with lots of things in his factories, taking over decisions when he wasn't happy with them, I would doubt he will let things go when they aren't going his way. Twitter (or any social media platform with such a reach) really should not be in the hands of few, in general, no matter who those people are.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/04/22 07:06 AM
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I don't mean the technical rules, I mean ethical rules, because of how such judgements can affect people's life longterm. News used to blur people's faces even when they were convicted. I find it problematic when such very personal things get out.
/r/MensRights27/04/22 07:03 AM
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In the court? If so, I find that strange as well. You'd assume some basic principles would be kept, but apparently not.
/r/MensRights27/04/22 07:01 AM
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Glad someone sees the issue. I am surprised how many think he will be a savior.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/04/22 06:55 AM
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It wouldn't be a balance to reddit, since pro-corporate is just the other side of the establishment. Nothing won really. LeftWingMaleAdvocates exists precisely because tradcons have dubious views when it comes to mens rights. And mens rights don't have enough of a voice in common left circles. With Musks tendency to show off and have heated debates including random insults when he doesn't get his way, I doubt it will bring much of a balance.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/04/22 06:54 AM
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Given how Musk has "debated" other people and called them names (thinking for example of this submarine incident in thailand, but there are many more), I am not sure how liberal he will be with people who oppose him. You need someone balanced and not personally invested in a platform to keep it neutral. It's like the referee in a soccer match. Having him join the game is incompatible with his role as referee or judge.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/04/22 06:47 AM
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Very intersted in looks, utilized their looks, flirty, girlish, bring gifts or be distracting, they want to be liked. Hm. What is the healthy version of this? Sounds a bit like you should be weary of women flirting, which is a bit sad. I mean utilizing their looks is kind of obvious, but also common in women who are seen as conventionally attractive. How can you meet healthy attractive women?
/r/MensRights27/04/22 06:22 AM
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The video mentions divas as if they weren't problematic, too. Bit surprising. How can you not find a diva's behavior highly toxic for relationships?
/r/MensRights27/04/22 05:58 AM
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Aren't such diagnoses a private matter? (And before I get downvoted, no I am not on her side, it's a question of principles).
/r/MensRights27/04/22 05:56 AM
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Sure, but like anybody, including scientists, nobody is a god or unable to make faults. Which doesn't mean I doubt the diagnosis, I really wouldn't know. It's just the notion that you can't make a mistake that I find highly dangerous. Edit: expected downvote, but it's still wrong to make absolutist claims like that. It's actually an unscientific mindset. Similarly how you can detect lies to a point, there are no infallible techniques. And it's not like there haven't been wrong assessments before…
/r/MensRights27/04/22 05:49 AM
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Unpopular is even less wanted. They just suffer silently, because really nobody cares. That's the real difference.
/r/MensRights26/04/22 03:58 PM
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No, don't call it like that. You are disrespecting all men who had to have it done for medical reasons, or those who chose to. Call it forced circumcision if you want, but don't insult everyone else.
/r/MensRights26/04/22 07:14 AM
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Idk, calling men gay that are clearly not, to put them down is not new at all. I think awareness changed, and in general people are more selfish as time goes on, so we notice more of the general adversity there is on society today. But men being treated badly or weirdly is clearly not new. I have gotten groped and got my ass slapped as teen.
/r/MensRights25/04/22 06:20 AM
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Talked to a female cop as well. She was freaky and very submissive. But I don't like sharing, so I didn't pursue it further.
/r/MensRights25/04/22 05:54 AM
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They won't do this by having a conversation though, they'll use shame, insults, and guilt and when that fails they'll claim to be 'scared' (damsel). Works every time. I truly hate the "scared" tactic. They will even use that while you are saying how they make you feel unfree and scared. It's ridiculous.
/r/MensRights25/04/22 04:49 AM
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Many feminists actually do have a kink for that.
/r/MensRights25/04/22 04:30 AM
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Oh so I suppose all those OF, porn actresses and strippers do that because men force them, not because it's easy money and easy to abuse men's need for intimacy and women make them compete for them. Regarding BDSM and name calling. Many women want that and actively ask for it, it's quite annoying actually. The first one is so ridiculous, intimidation and threats are really common tactics for women to get their way.
/r/MensRights25/04/22 04:27 AM
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The norm? I have read this sub for many weeks, and haven't seen anybody making fun about women getting raped anywhere. What I have seen is men complaining that when men get raped, few people care much or minimize the issue.
/r/MensRights25/04/22 04:22 AM
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The issue is that not everyone who will voice their concerns are apt for taking the constant beating. Quite a few will have gone through a lot of abuse, and are looking for understanding, to finally relax and be heard or seen.
/r/MensRights25/04/22 04:13 AM
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A discussion of men's rights, or a compliment to men, or a subject about men In a positive light, I truly wish the more positive aspects were more visible on the Internet. Almost always when you seek something regarding men and positive using a search engine, you will first find it reinterpreted negatively, or how men fail bla bla. Finding positive validating things about men is not easy.
/r/MensRights25/04/22 04:11 AM
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Maybe that it is private is more relevant than it being on FB?
/r/MensRights25/04/22 04:08 AM
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You can't have real conversations there, comments are very short. So you will be mostly in a passive role, watching content, if you are not ready to show your face to the entire world.
/r/MensRights25/04/22 04:08 AM
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I don't think that getting banned from subreddits for voicing different opinions or being insulted for them is something you should expect in a civilized society. It's perfectly reasonable to expect civil discourse and people trying to get your POV. Just because it has become common place does not make it right and should not be accepted.
/r/MensRights25/04/22 04:04 AM
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That people even think about such categories like gender traitor is quite telling.
/r/MensRights25/04/22 03:57 AM
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Let them. They make fools of themselves being so obsessed with being at the center stage, when they still haven't understood it's about bodily and mental autonomy and not their validation. Calling people incels or losers in this case is just to bring themselves back in the game, and grasping for the only power they feel they have. They desperately want to be the ones deciding about the value of others.
/r/MensRights25/04/22 03:56 AM
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That you have never seen any of this ever, is highly unlikely. Or you ignore it on purpose.
/r/MensRights25/04/22 12:39 AM
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I worked in the field and I experienced it myself as patient. Weird comments and weird behavior are not as infrequent as you think it is. I don't want to go into personal details, and I am not saying it happens all the time. But it is frequent enough. Dismissing this as if people don't ask to be treated properly is not helpful at all. Those that respect you do so ahead of time usually, those that are rude will usually double down on it.
/r/MensRights25/04/22 12:21 AM
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That's an often stated claim to which the EU for example would say is wrong. As soon as you become a major influence in the market, you can't use that excuse anymore. The same way that newspapers need to publish a counter claim when they accuse somebody, this needs to be possible here, as well.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/04/22 03:40 AM
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The problem is that there isn't a good alternative. All the major platforms are like this. And the "free speech" alternatives are small and infested with white supremacists and other bigots. That's not our audience either. Maybe, just maybe, if Elon buys Twitter. Not really convinced about Musk either, given the many weird things he keeps posting on Twitter. You'd need someone balanced, calm, and willing to allow differing opinions while keeping a civil discourse. I think the major reason why al…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/04/22 03:33 AM
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And while officially there is an appeal process, they don't need to answer. There is no accountability towards the users. This started with many social media platforms or mass platforms in general trying to handle the load: few moderators/admins but many users. But it is also very antidemocratic and I find this is one of the biggest problems of the Internet today. We never solved this problem, and people have come to accept this, when in public life you have courts and many ways to appeal, thoug…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/04/22 03:22 AM
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Unfortunately that's true. When men feel uncomfortable about too many spectators, they are being treated as if they were weird.
/r/MensRights24/04/22 01:05 AM
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All of this is what would be called implied consent for a medical examination. That's the point. A lot of everyday interaction has implied consent, after initial consent. But the whole debate about consent goes much further and asks you to look out for consent all the time. But back to medical examinations: regarding ensuring proper privacy, a lot is lacking in medical practice. People coming in randomly and not enough shielding to ensure only the really necessary people can see, is also very im…
/r/MensRights24/04/22 01:03 AM
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Actually, people will think you are weird if you complain about not having too many "spectators" around, at least that's my experience as a man. Nobody asks for consent. But some are more gentle than others, thankfully. Quite a few doctors and assisting personal are quite rough though when you get diagnosed, and think you have issues when you don't like being treated like an object, or want privacy. Physical examination before military service or social service is a good example, but "normal" me…
/r/MensRights24/04/22 12:51 AM
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I'm not saying that was what happened, but no matter what happened he was talking to girls that were too young (at least in my, and many people's, opinion). Your moral bigotery or what you personally like is only relevant to your personal life. If they are of age of consent, leave him alone. You don't get to judge who dates who and if you like it or not. Back off.
/r/MensRights24/04/22 12:44 AM
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I don't know about him, but in Denmark the age of consent is 15. Throwing around rape claims just because you don't like someone or having sex at that age doesn't fit your moral code is very toxic, too.
/r/MensRights24/04/22 12:41 AM
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Meh. I never found her hot, she just looked okay. Edit: But being happy about how horrible she feels/looks is not good either. Plently of people who were abused and traumatized look like this over time. I am not saying she way, but what you are doing also puts down everyone who actually was and suffered.
/r/MensRights24/04/22 12:38 AM
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These guys have wives and children and are trying to pay bills, not bonesome lonely divorced housewife who can't figure out how to operate ahammer or turn on a lawnmower... Not to mention that the short pleasure of sex (and the unlikely rewarding enough skill of the one that offers it) would not compensate enough for the work done. If you think about it, getting so much just for sex gives a huge ego boost, so it's understandable why people would want that. But what brushes me the wrong way in ge…
/r/MensRights24/04/22 12:28 AM
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It's not just my opinion. It's physical assault and illegal, and more than selfdefense. Also logical arguments are not just opinions, people need to stop using that nonsense argumentation to justify anything.
/r/MensRights24/04/22 12:13 AM
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If they would address how asking money for sex is abusive, then they would have finally a real discussion going.
/r/MensRights23/04/22 10:10 AM
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Physical violence is wrong. Especially when no physical violence occurred initially. You aren't better than feminists arguing the way you just did.
/r/MensRights23/04/22 07:48 AM
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Setting him straight is good. But slapping is wrong.
/r/MensRights23/04/22 06:36 AM
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People also want intimacy. Sex is rarely the reason why men get trapped. Having casual hookups doesn't cater to this need.
/r/MensRights23/04/22 05:31 AM
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The main issue is actually not sex drive, but men caring and having empathy. That's a big misunderstanding, which is why it is so hard to recognize it before it's too late. Otherwise successful men who had lots of women, would not become pussy whipped. Stars that could have so many women, that lost it all, are good examples. The narrative is always how they were so bad, and not how the relationship stripped them of any freedom until nothing was left. Women gradually remove all affection and vali…
/r/MensRights23/04/22 05:20 AM
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I was referring to physical assaults, when the victim is a man, that often doesn't get taken seriously. If police is overburdened with trivialities, they also ignore serious matters.
/r/MensRights23/04/22 05:12 AM
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Yeah, unfortunately, including the complaints that matter.
/r/MensRights23/04/22 05:09 AM
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Thanks :)
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/04/22 03:58 AM
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Women can be attracted to people for weird reasons, and still not treat them properly, even when they are in a dry spell. So that would just be the first step. 10 years abstinence minimum haha, until they are forced to self-reflect.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/04/22 03:58 AM
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It really feels like anything relating to social contact of any kind can be used against you. With more and more surveillance of chats, social media, and any kind of approach. Do they realize that being socially isolated and lonliness are related to all this anxiety and rejection people face everywhere in society today? Those total control fantasies are clearly a net negative outcome, true crimes don't get punished, yet you feel disabled from defending yourself from all kind of insideous or open…
/r/MensRights23/04/22 03:15 AM
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Yeah only absolute passiveness and submission is accepted. And then people will question why you didn't do anything, and that it couldn't have been that bad. It's disgusting.
/r/MensRights23/04/22 03:06 AM
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Truly Orwellian, not even exaggerated this time.
/r/MensRights23/04/22 03:01 AM
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When calling cops doesn't even help you as a man when you were physically assaulted, and people tell you to stay inside to avoid trouble, you know how much luck you will have with that...
/r/MensRights23/04/22 03:00 AM
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Make it 5 so it's a round number :p Seriously though, with efficiency increasing all the time, it's crazy how much people still have to work today.
/r/MensRights23/04/22 02:55 AM
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Or being honest about having many options, will make women compete. You don't have to lie or lead them on, they still will try to make you settle to own you. They naturally compete already, you just have to be mentally strong enough to not let them guilt trip you by their jealousy.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/04/22 10:56 PM
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Virgins or "loser" women who turn around and change so much once they get a bit popular are disgusting. People in general who, when they become popular or powerful, think they became superior or think it's all only due to them. Really disappointing how people can change, even those you didn't expect to (which doesn't mean everyone is like that, but some are especially disappointing, as it wasn't expected).
/r/MensRights22/04/22 01:45 PM
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She isn't that hot. What actually seemed to have gotten Depp was that she first seemed to really care.
/r/MensRights22/04/22 01:36 PM
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Even in those cases, people are really just looking for an outlet and finding scape goats. Whatever the currently accepted scape goat is. I'd still say they are confused and don't know what they are talking about (which isn't meant to excuse what they do in any way, quite the opposite).
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/04/22 01:14 PM
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Even if people "wake up" to this, which I seriously doubt, they are unlikely to provide the proper solutions. Advocating and fighting for proper solutions and offering various avenues where men can go to develop themselves, not for society, but personal growth is better, than waiting for society to catch up.
/r/MensRights22/04/22 07:12 AM
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A good place to start, if all of this is just resulting in over-thinking, is to ask yourself questions such as: Where do I want to be in 5 years, ten years, twenty years time?What kind of life to I want to look back on? Agree with most but this point. This is not how you plan life, except for when people ask you in job interviews. It's also going to be a new cage. Life cannot be planned like that, instead it's better to think what you want to improve right now and do that as soon as you can.
/r/MensRights22/04/22 06:56 AM
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I think one major thing is to not identify with your age. So many of your generation keep saying "I am young" as if that would explain everything happening in their life. Others do that with their age as well. There are very different people in each age group. Social media is everywhere today, and people just brag with different things, no matter their age. No matter who is around you, they will influence you, in a good or bad way. If you feel they make you take wrong decisions cut them off. Loo…
/r/MensRights22/04/22 06:52 AM
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When someone (male or female) transgresses your boundaries you need to bring a meassured counter response following the "minimum necessary force" principle. A measured counter response does not mean you have to become mean or unkind. Asserting boundaries is not unfriendly, it's self respect, and if asked respectfully while giving the other side freedom as well, mature individuals will appreciate this. It's a complex dynamic but it's perfectly possible to be kind yet assertive, even if it's not a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/04/22 06:43 AM
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Part of me thinks that some women--though not all--hate niceness in and of itself. This is also a phenomenon of the current times, it hasn't always been this way. Don't forget that many simply repeat what they hear a lot, and "nice guys are bad" is currently very trendy. Most people pick up whatever they hear and don't think much about it, use it to channel their current feelings, and then mean something completely different.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/04/22 06:40 AM
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The people with the most inner strength are gentle. Look at buddhists, and how mentally strong yet kind they are. You can have your own mind, opinions and stand your ground, yet be kind and gentle. Same as you can be a martial artist and win a fight without hurting or humiliating someone, even uplifting your opponents. People who think power is there to be abused are against freedom, and that mindset is why you have to be careful to share your power. But this is a sign of a weak society, where y…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/04/22 06:38 AM
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I did, but you judge quickly apparently. No point in talking further with your mindset.
/r/MensRights22/04/22 06:30 AM
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Calling others cowards is a pretty bold thing to say when you know little about them, and how much "hits they took on the frontline". Stubbornly insisting to fight on the frontline does not make you brave but a one trick pony. If your current way doesn't succeed, change your strategy, and if that means sacrificing something (maybe temporarily) along the way to be effective, then so be it.
/r/MensRights22/04/22 06:25 AM
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I don't think I am personally affected by this, but obviously there is always someone taller than you. Still, I feel all this bigger, higher, larger, longer etc. is especially extreme in the USA. So while it may not be possible to fully eliminate, there is certainly a social/"culture" side to it that can be changed. Biologically speaking various heights do definitely have pros and cons, and the drive towards a universal "ideal" like often shown in media, where models or influencers look quite si…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/04/22 03:06 AM
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Is this a joke about Will Smith? Adding some sarcasm note would have been nice, not looking for stress on here as I got notified with an all caps message...
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/04/22 01:10 AM
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Just saying I am sorry that happened, but don't want to upvote your post, since it feels like agreeing with what happened, and as if it was fair (which it obviously was not). But I do very much agree people should have given you support, hence the comment.
/r/MensRights21/04/22 11:08 PM
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That's the worst and why I am scared to go to therapy. I have heard such twisted and weird things to make the victim of abuse again being the guilty one somehow. Each time I feel bad and wonder how much of any accuse might apply to me. Such as when people criticize and judge your body, it's not them making you scared so you rightfully push back, no, it's you having a body image issue or something to solve. Additionally you get a new label, you then obsess over and feel bad about. If you have to …
/r/MensRights21/04/22 11:06 PM
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Even if accusations are true, and people actually commit crimes, shitting on people doesn't help anybody. It actually makes things worse. Justice works not through public outrage or public shaming, but by correct compensation and fair judgement. The general public shaming is hugely problematic, and more a result of lack of power and lack of real justice.
/r/MensRights21/04/22 10:31 PM
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Big sigh. Such a productive and realistic outlook on life. Thank you! So refreshing to read.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/04/22 10:15 PM
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This African Queen Yaa Asantewaa put out a decree that no woman was to have sex with a man unless he joined her army and went to war with her. Maybe we should have a decree in a similar way, that no man is to have sex with a woman, unless men's rights are discussed about in the mainstream and lead to positive legislative changes.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/04/22 10:09 PM
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Feminists don't seem to understand where real power (shocker, that they don't actually under stand what they are so passionate about, I know) lies and that is why they push so hard into the public realm. I'd say they are well aware, since they combine the normal social power of shaming and very personal attacks, with institutional power. That's why it is so scary because it covers every aspect of private and public life.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/04/22 10:04 PM
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The fact that men often hold formal positions of power in society may even be because other people push them there for their own benefit. This cannot be stressed more. Women pushing in the background to control their men to do what they want is really common, yet modern society tries to deny this influence women have. Equally how a lot of physical violence is actually encouraged and initiated by women, who let their men (or actually any man) fight in their name.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/04/22 09:59 PM
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It's like with every ideology, many people don't follow it because of reason, but because it gives them strength. Conceiding is giving up strength.
/r/MensRights21/04/22 09:51 PM
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I have heard and read from quite a few women siding with Depp. Ideologues won't change their minds, but not all women are this way. Ideally mens rights will be about fighting opportunists and harmful ideologies, but not groups of people.
/r/MensRights21/04/22 09:50 PM
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Sorry to hear. Had also my fare share of traumatizing and deeply scary events, where idk how I got out of it, but I did. Made me feel lonely though, knowing I am on my own with this.
/r/MensRights21/04/22 03:52 AM
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That's what the saying means :p
/r/seduction21/04/22 01:37 AM
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There is nothing wrong with sending a goodbye message if it makes him feel better. Boundaries are created this way.
/r/seduction20/04/22 09:50 PM
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Great comparison with the hobby!
/r/seduction20/04/22 09:38 PM
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She just was out of wisdom and put the blame on you, don't take it seriously.
/r/seduction20/04/22 09:30 PM
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Age gaps shouldn't be a reason to not date. Her being crazy should be, though, agreed.
/r/MensRights20/04/22 08:50 PM
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She is not hot at all, really. And what's that about adding more toxicity to the already existing one? You would only validate that kind of people, not punish them at all.
/r/MensRights20/04/22 08:43 PM
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Not really a question of age but experience. If you haven't learnt to spot this type of abusers you may still fall prey to them much later. This education matters for all.
/r/MensRights20/04/22 08:41 PM
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But at the same time one of the top 10% guys actually get the ugliest women in the room to. It's not the top 10% guys, this is again the same kind or reasoning the blackpillers have. It's just those that are the most popular in this context, they are in no way top.
/r/MensRights20/04/22 08:27 PM
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How do you know what matters for such people? Do you think you represent all of them? Why would you think it makes it justified to downvote my perspective? Especially since I asked a question! Nobody stops you from talking about your perspective/interest. Don't do that for mine, either! Don't take your frustration out on me. I find it highly relevant in how to better judge who is suitable for dating and who not, by how they react to certain triggers and traits. Superficial understanding leads no…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/04/22 08:04 PM
1

Being agist is especially bad, since it's quite accepted today. Also very illogical, because it will affect anyone sooner or later.
/r/MensRights20/04/22 09:27 AM
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A lot of science was hugely unpopular and even fought by scientists (not just religions) when it was against the norm. People were prosecuted for it. "Wisdom of the crowd" is very limited in its application. It's just so popular in economy (and therefore social media) because truth or value doesn't matter for profit. Luckily some good ideas finally prevailed due to many reasons, amongst them persistance, changing mindsets, and critical thought. Popularity vote is a terrible measure to go by. Als…
/r/MensRights20/04/22 09:14 AM
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There is a lot of juveline bragging language, cringy ingroup terms, and made up theories in there, and self-agrandizing stuff about how successful they are/were with their approaches. It's all about the lay and how to become a man who women desire, while totally neglecting what is good for men themselves. As if all you needed to become happy is being more desired and accepted by people. It's turning men into people pleasers, literally, while thinking they are womanizers. They do have nuggets of …
/r/MensRights20/04/22 08:47 AM
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I agree. I think this sub would benefit also from showing how men get support or succeed eventhough they are not "super stars" or fit a "desired" stereotype. So, people men can relate to and feel they are normal and safe for doing what they do and being themselves. Too much here is about fear of being prosecuted and bullied, or about teaching how to become someone you aren't to be "successful".
/r/MensRights20/04/22 08:36 AM
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Thanks for clarifying.
/r/MensRights20/04/22 08:31 AM
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Thanks for confirming this. Already the second time I get downvoted for disagreeing Brazil is that different today, when compared to the West.
/r/MensRights20/04/22 08:12 AM
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The worst is that it makes you feel so guilty and scared, and it takes a long time even after a breakup to feel more free again. Usually media suggests it's the other way round. It is really helpful to read that. It makes you remember instances where it happened that were mistaken as "liking you", when it really was about controlling you or making sure you conform or "obey".
/r/MensRights20/04/22 04:31 AM
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The weird thing is that during the relationship you feel scared to post anything publicly, feel surveilled all the time, then when it's finally over and you talk to her for closure, suddenly she lashes out as if you had been that type of person (and not her), just because she suddenly decided she is done, and you have no time to clarify anything that happened properly.
/r/MensRights20/04/22 04:27 AM
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The final point is the most ironic, however. The post more or less states that if men don't act in a traditionally masculine way, they won't attract women. I agree with this point. That also seems backwards and not at all liberating men as it should.
/r/MensRights20/04/22 04:17 AM
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And Tesla is an interesting choice since he was famous for not wanting romantic relationships with women at all, taking more of an interest in pigeons of all things. So to be masculine you need to want romantic partnerships with women. What about monks, aren't they masculine? Weird take.
/r/MensRights20/04/22 04:16 AM
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Also just some certain tradcon type of masculinity. You are equally her puppet, just another type of puppet. Women or men who tell you how to be masculine should back down, and let you decide for yourself.
/r/MensRights20/04/22 04:11 AM
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Men are pedos if they like women to be shaved but women are perfectly fine to want their men to be clean shaven. Ill remember to call her one, if she brings that up.
/r/MensRights20/04/22 04:10 AM
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She is annoying, no matter how she wants you to change, makeup or wearing a beard. It's your decision to look like you want. Women who want you to be more masculine are equally controlling, both types clearly violate boundaries.
/r/MensRights20/04/22 04:06 AM
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Absolutely not. You guys need to stop repeating this pseudo biological ideology. If you look at history (and the current population) you can clearly see that all kinds of men were admired, all kinds of body types, all kinds of intellects and features. Women (and men) also do get attracted to what is fashionable right now. Look at trends in music as a clear example of that, and how the looks of stars continously changed.
/r/MensRights20/04/22 04:05 AM
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The irony is that FB actually does that... To protect you from any other "evil" parties who could use your data, except for them...
/r/MensRights20/04/22 04:00 AM
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The way of men is the way of the gang and your value within it. The gang? Men are much more independent, not organized in gangs with a pecking order. This is just a private fantasy, not better than any other. Caring for what others think of you, no matter if they are men or women, is the definition of being a sheep. You think and value input, but you don't let it define you.
/r/MensRights20/04/22 03:58 AM
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I don't need women, nor men telling me what's masculine. Masculine is to be independent and do what you think is right, not following a script.
/r/MensRights20/04/22 03:55 AM
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Then dump her. You don't need a partner who is only on your side when you are her fantasy. That's not partner, that's a hookup.
/r/MensRights20/04/22 03:53 AM
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Crazy women are better in bed, but it's not worth it. They actually aren't. Passionate and open-minded women are good in bed. Crazy women are just exhausting and an annoying PITA. That's just an effect of having to deal with subpar women, like eating at a fast food restaurant or smoking. You start to confuse quality with anything that upsets or annoys you or makes you feel bad, because of the roller coast emotions they create. They are simply toxic. Go for women who are emotionally smart and pas…
/r/MensRights20/04/22 03:49 AM
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It doesn't matter if it's a shit test, nor if you pass it or not. This pua/red pill thinking is so toxic as well. What matters is if you respect yourself. If she follows along and respects you, too, and herself, then it's good. Otherwise just let her go.
/r/MensRights20/04/22 03:48 AM
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I love when women say that when I don't follow their lead on what I am allowed to say or not (I am usually polite, but this type will still find something to complain about, if it's unexpected or not simpy enough). I really am thankful when they lash out this way early on, it means I can cut them off before they become painful much later. So thanks for the honesty.
/r/MensRights20/04/22 03:44 AM
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They have their own kind of issues. Don't suggest women from there without having had experience with them. They are differently toxic. (Brazil also catches up on feminism a lot.)
/r/MensRights20/04/22 03:42 AM
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What they meant was neither of this. They just adopted a common phrasing they heard others throw around without thinking. They are confused and unaware. That does not mean she will like someone "not falling for her bullshit". Nothing really excites her for long, because she has no idea who she is. Women, no matter how confused and superficial are still not a hive mind, they, like men, do have varying kinks. They will at most go with whatever people tell her to do, but still not enjoy it. That's …
/r/MensRights20/04/22 03:37 AM
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You are mistaken. Younger women are even more obsessed about status. Looks only matters regarding how others find this look to be an asset, not to them directly.
/r/MensRights20/04/22 03:36 AM
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But they actually usually want a confident bad boy who is going to choke them and bang them behind the bins. It's not like modern women hide any of that. Many are quite outspoken about their desires.
/r/MensRights20/04/22 03:34 AM
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You mean like those women who have no self-respect and let lust drive their decisions? Yeah, we should get rid of those...
/r/MensRights20/04/22 03:32 AM
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Unfortunately, their incoherent behavior will get you. What those types of women want depends on their mood, so behavior is equally unpredictable.
/r/MensRights20/04/22 03:32 AM
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I saw enough videos on TikTok criticizing Einstein and Ghandi amongst others. They systematically destroy all men who were held in high regard.
/r/MensRights20/04/22 03:28 AM
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Women in Brazil also become more feminist and less loyal. Edit: Don't downvote reality.
/r/MensRights19/04/22 09:28 PM
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Let's say they do open up, but not as much as necessary because as soon as they do they are shut down. So the meme should be about how men stop opening up after trying initially.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/04/22 09:25 PM
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Maybe showing that ad and watching their reaction should be a quick test to see if your potential partner is crazy or not.
/r/MensRights19/04/22 06:57 AM
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Yeah, I understood it as self-moderation, which I think is just coping, but not a solution.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/04/22 12:46 AM
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Authoritarian progressives🤣 I agree about the rest. But how are they progressive? Neo-liberal is hardly progressive, it's a more than 100 year old theory that has already been shown to fail longterm. At most it's old ideas in new clothing, mixed with having to adapt to what the public / current mood wants you to say. But I don't see any new ideas, nor any actual progress they would suggest. Progressive means you want to advance in tech or science, but Republicans as well as Democrats mostly focu…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/04/22 12:37 AM
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Or be given love and attention (from society as a whole), so the anger reduces naturally, without having to be artificially moderated.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/04/22 12:33 AM
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I'm not fully anti-feminist. I used to think that, but now I am. I think humanism and focusing more on people and individuals than groups is better. Male rights would ideally not need to exist, if people just care for everyone, instead of just groups. But I do appreciate they exist as they bring up issues that get little attention otherwise. I wouldn't want it to become toxic like feminism however. Ultimately we need to stop just putting people in categories and thereby dehumanizing them. It's r…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/04/22 12:30 AM
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I am also against this "marxist" labeling, especially since marx wouldn't agree with feminists, nor "liberals" (who really are all but liberal) of today. Still calling him a right wing nut is not productive either, and this mutual labeling is what makes political debates of today so toxic. Let's just disagree politely.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/04/22 12:25 AM
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I wouldn't go down the rabbit hole of repeating more and more degrading terms. It makes you feel bad to keep reading such things. It's helpful to the point of putting things in perspective, but if it can easily be internalized if repeating it too often. People who judge others this way are just wrong, and you can never win, because they will keep using you as a product for their changing wishes. There is a wrong idea that women use men just for money or status. Women, like any person, use other …
/r/MensRights19/04/22 12:03 AM
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As mentioned in another comment above, I think you really need human connection more than romantic love, and that can be had with platonic friendships, that also involve hugs or physical closeness (that doesnt go so far as sex). But having this more natural interaction will also make you more confident in general about your body and needs of touch, which will make you also more relaxed about voicing your wishes and being more approachable. More importantly though, it wont force you to channel th…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/04/22 11:16 PM
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I think everything people suggest around coping is not going to work out well longterm. You don't want to just get by and be happy with frustration. If I understood you well you are stable financially, which many are not. People would not suggest to stay in this state either, it has serious health implications when people don't do well financially. Similarily, getting out of social isolation matters for your longer term health. Now if you have friends who care and hug you from time to time, this…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/04/22 11:10 PM
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Once you are enlisted and seen as fit, you can always be asked to particpate in war, if you are still fit. That's true for Germany at least. We had conscription until recently. Actually younger guys of today have less of an issue than people from 10 to 20 years ago, since they are no exempt from conscription, as opposed to those 10 to 20 years ago...
/r/MensRights18/04/22 10:59 PM
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Look at Ukraine, it goes up to 60 in case of war. So it affects many men. In the world wars, everyone was enlisted, including actually old men, in their 70s and more. It's just a matter of time. Also if you are a well trained soldier, you will still fight, if your skills are in demand. But I agree, 40+ is still pretty young, especially today.
/r/MensRights18/04/22 10:53 PM
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Hmm, are gay marriages happier? Not that it would be of much use, when you aren't gay... but still interesting I guess.
/r/MensRights18/04/22 10:20 PM
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If I'm giving the choice between death, or sexual slavery I would prefer death. That's just because a lot of sexual humiliation from men is not seen as sexual slavery. But genetical multilation, castration or public display of men in nude is really well known in war history.
/r/MensRights18/04/22 07:07 PM
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I would rather be killed (the traditional way men are treated by invaders), than to become a sex slave to the people who murdered your family (the traditional way women are treated). You don't seem to have much knowledge about wars, despite being a marine. In an lot of wars men were first publicly humiliated, mutilated or otherwise physically and verbally degraded before being killed. Men having to watch their women being raped in front of them before being killed or raped themselves to assert e…
/r/MensRights18/04/22 07:04 PM
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If one side gets completely ignored consistently, this needs to be pointed out. Do you suggest we ignore those who die and get tortured by such inbalanced articles?
/r/MensRights18/04/22 07:01 PM
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Voluntary soldiers are not free of sadists or (uncaught) criminals at all. Conscription is a problem, but look at what happened in Irak and the war crimes there. All from voluntary soldiers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:War_crimes_in_Iraq https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_torture_and_prisoner_abuse Regarding "high standards". Avoiding the international court in Den Haag is hardly following high standards... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Service-Members%27_Protection_Act
/r/MensRights18/04/22 06:45 PM
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You can remove the "young", they pay everyone they can get, just that younger tend to have less money, but that's not true anymore since a long time. Many people are jobless today, young or not.
/r/MensRights18/04/22 06:43 PM
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The sexist and unequal Empathy Gap is one of the major cancers plaguing modern society. It's not just modern society, eventhough there was a brief increase of understanding an empathy after the world wars, and people rebelling the previous mindset. But it was too much focused on condemning previous generations, which is part of the reason why it didn't stick longer term.
/r/MensRights18/04/22 06:41 PM
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I start to wonder if that's part of the propaganda to encite men to be soldiers. The perverse reasoning of this ideology is that you need warriors to protect those poor helpless women, so men have to fight. Ironically both sides will use this reasoning, and therefore create suffering. So soldiers are saviors and monsters at the same time, and they are aware of it. It means there is social pressure and control over them to really strip them of any agency. At one moment they are praised (when they…
/r/MensRights18/04/22 06:40 PM
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Thinking people need fixing is the wrong approach. Taking them seriously is the first step.
/r/MensRights18/04/22 06:34 PM
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Great points. The whole ingroup outgroup dynamic and "help" to become more like the ingroup is what brushed me the wrong way too, about this post.
/r/MensRights18/04/22 06:32 PM
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What they really mean to say is you are a social reject, and outsider, bla bla. The current label to say that just changes with times. It all comes down to: you are not one of us, go away, what you say doesn't matter to us. The rest is just mental gymnastics, to still appear like they are on the morally higher ground.
/r/MensRights18/04/22 06:25 PM
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views on women, physical appearance, inflammatory nature and/or any other number of negative attributes find themselves relegated to sexile (exile of sex- please, hold your applause). I would think this is putting too much blame on the men, and not on possible larger societal reasons. There are many other possible reasons that are not due to "bad" traits, but due to wrong expectations from society. As has been discussed in other threads, men with dark triad personality types are quite successful…
/r/MensRights18/04/22 06:22 PM
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Maybe just referring to them as “frustrated men” or something of the like would be more welcoming for conversation. Maybe the best way is to avoid a simple label alltogether, because that invites stereotyping. Using a set of attributes to say what you mean forces you to think before you describe someone, and that will cause variations in your description, depending on what specific issue you are thinking about at that moment. People want simple labels and categories, because it simplifies though…
/r/MensRights18/04/22 06:15 PM
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First of all I would say it's really not about sex or love. As people mature they are forced by society to seek all comfort, loving and care from a romantic partner. That itself is already wrong. Especially men are mostly forced to seek out cuddling from a romantic partner. Women have much more options. Conflating those needs with sexual and romantic success is the major issue. Men become lonely or isolated, when they don't have enough friends, who care on a deep enough level. If that kind of st…
/r/MensRights18/04/22 06:10 PM
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What if someone is fair, but still very charming and powerful? Maybe that would be even more attractive? My point is if they really look for toxicity, because they desire it itself out of sadistic tendencies or if they are willing to accept it, yet want something else more, that is simply often correlated with toxic behavior. If you think of dictators or strong political figures with doubtful thoughts about how to treat humans, men seem also to be attracted to them, given how successful they can…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/04/22 05:49 PM
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The summary points out what is really attractive though: The study reported that men with psychopathic tendencies are more likely to be confident, at ease with themselves, and are capable of pretending to be charming and knowing all the right things to say, to make themselves seem more ‘attractive’. So it would not be about them being psychopatic (or criminal as suggested above), but their ability to be charming, comfortable, confident, and saying the right things. Maybe being a criminal is just…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/04/22 05:42 PM
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I think when people say it gets better with age, it's also not really true. People just focus on new things, but you just have to look at politics to see how it's essentially the same kind of bullying as in highschool. The advantage of becoming mature though is that you can be more selective with who you spend time with, and indeed, there are good people you can find.
/r/MensRights18/04/22 05:35 PM
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As a non-smoker I would say it's fairly obvious. You wont like her smelling like smoke or tasting like it. Also it is quite unhealthy. More surprising was that when both people smoke, the divorce is still more likely.
/r/MensRights18/04/22 05:28 PM
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I don't contest that. People in general are attracted to the forbidden. I was just curious if it has been analyzed in more depth of what the actual causes are vs. the first impression. Tbh I didn't want to read all the studies in any depth, to find out, and hoped somebody could tell if any dug into that.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/04/22 05:26 PM
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My point was that the dark triad traits might not be what attracts women per se, but people with those traits seek out to have more partners. Simplified: all those studies want to determine if having dark personality traits makes men more attractive, assuming all the other characteristics are the same. So if they are all equally attractive, physically speaking for example, it might be that those with dark traits will go further or be more persistant or use other other dark tactics to get mates, …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/04/22 02:14 AM
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I also "love" how grade inflation is "corrected" for, when you clearly were not favored in university, but since the stats show that overall the grades are higher than expected of a certain graduation year, all grades get "corrected". This happens no matter how hard your studies were, or if your peers even had the same lectures or lecturers, not even mentioning the thesis topic (or advisor), which is different for everyone. The obsession to compare and make something fit the expected bell curve …
/r/MensRights17/04/22 11:22 PM
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Looking into your quoted studies, the abstract of one of them indeed suggests this is about short term relationships: This survey (N = 224) found that characteristics collectively known as the Dark Triad (i.e. narcissism, psychopathy and Machiavellianism) were correlated with various dimensions of short-term mating but not long-term mating.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/04/22 10:59 PM
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men with criminal records do indeed have higher number of partners. Not to take away from your point, but I wonder if they just have more partners because women find them more attractive, or if they tend to have more unstable relationships, which is why they have more partners.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/04/22 10:13 PM
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Don't go for her friends. It's not healthy for you nor anyone else involved. If you breakup, don't keep ties by messing with her friends.
/r/MensRights17/04/22 10:00 PM
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You missed my main point: It's really like saying <minority> when you mean criminal. Edit: No reason to downvote. I don't agree you should do that, I just said that's comparable, and obviously wrong. Damn.
/r/MensRights17/04/22 02:03 AM
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As I said, female incels initially adopted that label, and they don't face the same negative connotations. Implying those male incels are all hating women is the issue, not calling incels incels. Using "incel" as an insult vs for example using "misogynist" (given that's actually correct), makes it a discriminatory remark. It's really like saying when you mean criminal.
/r/MensRights17/04/22 01:56 AM
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Incel is initially a term for involutary female celibates, that then was recoined to be about male involuntary celibates. Just describe people's bad behavior, instead of assigning labels to entire groups that may or may not fit. The assumption that involuntary celibates are bad people is just a wrong mindset in general.
/r/MensRights17/04/22 01:49 AM
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She looks quite unpleased when he says: "The brain wipes front to back" Is that some kind of bad joke, or what does it mean? Not a native speaker. I mean his questions are not too deep in general, but still...
/r/MensRights17/04/22 12:51 AM
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Ugh. Let's stop speaking of "top guys" or "top women". They are not top, just popular on those apps. Let's stop the ranking mindset, it's not helpful to find someone compatible. The shopping mindset on dating app is the issue, if you keep that mindset in real life, you will have similar issues.
/r/MensRights17/04/22 12:29 AM
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You are wasting your time unless you're 9-10 SMV Chad then you can get laid easily on OLD. It's not about being a 9 or 10 or being "great" in any way, and we should stop rating people like that, it's not objective. Those women want their fantasies fulfilled, and only that. It doesn't matter if you randomly fit her criteria and make her crazy for you. She will still use you. And no, it's not like you can use her back so it's all fine, it's going to take a toll on you over time. People like that n…
/r/MensRights17/04/22 12:26 AM
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You forget that it's not going to happen by accident, but by people who want to cause damage. It's just like false rape claims, there are many reasons why people make them. This is no different. Randomly judging someone is exactly why false claims are so popular. People will automatically be suspicious if just the topic is mentioned.
/r/MensRights17/04/22 12:17 AM
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Some surprising correlations that make relationships scary in general: Cohabitation – If you lived with your partner before you got married 60 percent of cohabiting couples will eventually marry. However, living together prior to marriage can increase the chance of getting divorced by as much as 40 percent. Quite surprising, I would expect you know better if you are compatible or not? Can anyone shed light on this? It would seem like being a safeguard, not a risk. If you are a female serial coha…
/r/MensRights17/04/22 12:00 AM
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Are relationships without marriage so different? Would like to see similar stats regarding that.
/r/MensRights16/04/22 11:56 PM
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I looked up the stats: https://www.wf-lawyers.com/divorce-statistics-and-facts/ Political affiliation and it’s impact on divorce: Conservatives are the least likely to be divorced: Conservative 28 percent, Liberal 37 percent, Moderate 33 percent. If you live in a red (Republican) state, you are 27 percent more likely to get divorced than if you live in a blue (Democrat) state. Isn't that contradictory? Red states are more conservative, so they should be less likely to divorce, no? More a general…
/r/MensRights16/04/22 11:53 PM
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It's so toxic, and damaging for men. It also happens with parents being overly concerned regarding couples, making men / boys feel like they are wrong, when it's perfectly normal (and legal).
/r/MensRights16/04/22 11:17 PM
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Prejudice is wide spread, in all kinds of communities.
/r/MensRights16/04/22 11:16 PM
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It really is a big problem. I avoid kids as much as possible, exactly because of this. Don't people see how unhealthy this is for fathers and kids? How should kids grow up normally, and fathers/men feel welcome and healthy in society?
/r/MensRights16/04/22 11:15 PM
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It's extremely unlikely someone is not attractive enough to get a partner, objectively. The reason is messed up expectations from society, not the lack of attractiveness for the vast majority.
/r/MensRights16/04/22 08:08 PM
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Expected and still so wrong at the same time.
/r/MensRights16/04/22 08:00 PM
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You are just fixated on incels because it is easier to kick someone when they are down. Absolutely true. So many people do that, even actually educated ones. It's a primitive urge many have not learned to control. People confuse being in power with being right too often.
/r/MensRights16/04/22 07:32 PM
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Maybe it's time to share experiences from other sides and perspectives. Look for men who are not in power. Don't confuse your privilege with that of the average man.
/r/MensRights16/04/22 07:27 PM
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Well summarized. Not only in the UK, though.
/r/MensRights16/04/22 07:23 PM
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The OP called him boyfriend, obviously that implies it's a relationship.
/r/MensRights16/04/22 07:11 PM
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Men cant be raped because you're bigger and stronger and could stop us" Also this is plain wrong. Depending on her weight, leg muscles or general fitness she can completely dominate. A threat of physical violence or grouping up with others, is also completely possible. Age differences. Coercion methods that attack your social status. Lots of options. Actually coercion is quite common even during "normal" sex, it's just casually accepted that a women should get her needs met first.
/r/MensRights16/04/22 06:38 AM
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Over 40 are able bodied is completely young enough as well. Similar to women and kids, there is no reason to think there would be a disadvantage, except if you pay to get ahead.
/r/MensRights16/04/22 06:29 AM
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Since they have a relationship, they can get tested. If she is so afraid of STIs doing oral would be crazy.
/r/MensRights16/04/22 06:22 AM
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No woman wants to play Mama for her man though. Very dangerous territory. They are hard coded to find weakness unsettling at best, and more often downright repulsive. Please don't repeat this just because it's the current mindset. Being like this is not biological nor hardwired. Actually it's quite the opposite. Women who dislike being nurturing are ill.
/r/MenSupportMen16/04/22 06:13 AM
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Idk. They are also famous for being gold diggers.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen16/04/22 02:00 AM
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7 figures? Any women who cares about someone else's money is immediately disqualified as a partner. Have your own, not your pimp. Disgusting.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen16/04/22 01:58 AM
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Let's hear yours, too ;)
/r/MenSupportMen16/04/22 01:44 AM
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Could you summarize what they said could be done?
/r/MenSupportMen16/04/22 01:43 AM
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Still a bit sad in a MensRights sub.
/r/MensRights16/04/22 01:32 AM
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This is about the law, not how enforcable it is in every case. It becomes relevant however when you want to publish this photo, or use it for data science. This is not allowed, and can be prosecuted. A private person is not allowed to monitor random people. Only inside their own property (not outside or in front of it), and only after a clear warning is given or shown, so you can avoid being surveilled (for example by not entering). Places like railway stations will have warnings and usually hav…
/r/MensRights16/04/22 01:26 AM
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It depends on how close up you're referring to. Cameras these days are pretty powerful, no real need to get up really close. Even a closeup shot (as a photography term) taken from distance, that results in the subject occupying most of the picture's frame isn't allowed. The main point is: if the person is the focus and you zoom in on details, then it's too much. And as long as you're: at least a few feet away, not impeding my movement, and not taking pictures like I'm in a professional photoshoo…
/r/MensRights16/04/22 01:13 AM
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You mean Eastern Europe is prudish? Usually when you say Europe, you mean Western Europe, it's not the same culture, if related.
/r/MensRights16/04/22 01:09 AM
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Just because it isn't sanctioned doesn't make it okay.
/r/MensRights16/04/22 01:05 AM
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Not tedious at all, just respectful. I doubt many people in America would like it if you came close up and took pictures without asking. Think of it like this: tourist kind of pictures are fine, zooming in on somebody or singling them out is not. It's about individuals vs a group of people/people masses.
/r/MensRights15/04/22 06:07 PM
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Could be in some ways, I am not sure, but what I have seen there right now seemed to be pretty supportive, of more personal matters, than here, which are more political. For example, the support people get about being afraid to look into other people's eyes or when they are in a self-sabotaging loop seemed useful.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/04/22 06:04 PM
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Yeah, France is still much more natural regarding many of these things. Europe in general.
/r/MensRights15/04/22 05:41 PM
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Good to see someone non puritain here, who reminds how it works out in other places. I wish this sub would focus on good things, too, and not make everything look like a scary dark place.
/r/MensRights15/04/22 05:36 PM
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In Germany you cannot film somebody if it's a close up without consent. You are allowed to film people when they are part of the "scenery", i.e., not the main target / no portrait etc. I think it's a good balance between being public not yet free of rights.
/r/MensRights15/04/22 05:35 PM
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It's quite problematic, because it makes people self-conscious about their bodies. Also that shaming due to weight or age is not helping. Everybody ages, doesn't mean you should start hiding under a burka.
/r/MensRights15/04/22 05:33 PM
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Yeah, people being casually misandrist here without noticing.
/r/MensRights15/04/22 05:32 PM
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Grabbing a man's chest is equally assault, and invasive. Women find pecs hot, like many muscles on the male body. It's not as sexual as women's breast, but still completely inappropriate.
/r/MensRights15/04/22 05:30 PM
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And the very same class of men that keep it illegal are its most liberal users That's a blanket judgement without much basis weakening your argument. Legalizing it or not is not the main issue. Prostitution is abusive of people. Making it legal doesn't fix how it forces lonely people to pay for having company. There may be others who want to try a lot of kinks they can't have met anywhere else, but that's certainly not the majority. Prostitution is at least emotionally abusive towards men, and p…
/r/MensRights15/04/22 08:52 AM
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I hope you can get in touch with people who are not similar to your mom. Many people get attracted unconsciously to the same type of people who abused you before. Partly to solve past conflicts and trauma. Heal yourself, and go to other places with different types of people, it can have drastic effect. Don't believe people who say it can't change, or it will be the same everywhere. It is possible to change.
/r/MensRights15/04/22 05:20 AM
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Will Smith, Johnny Depp,...?
/r/MensRights15/04/22 05:15 AM
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The word "History" originates from French, Latin, and ultimately Greek. "His" is however of Germanic origin. The prefix "his" in "history" has no relation at all to the word "his". When people already start with wrong etymology to justify their ideology, the obvious dishonesty is making their whole point moot -- it shows a basic lack of good will.
/r/MensRights14/04/22 09:39 PM
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Even more when some weirdo will say you should respect the authority of mods and move on. Such a weird POV when you want to change social structures that are enforced by authorities.
/r/MensRights14/04/22 09:34 PM
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Probably. It's still not a healthy view, and makes everyone who might be next to a nude child come under suspicion (which is why fathers don't feel it's normal to be around a kid, and don't want to do any primary care). We need to find a balance between actually doing something against sexual abuse of kids (this time it's really a kid, not like often a teen), and making sure not to try to make everything sexual, when it's not. If she filmed without consent, no matter the reasons, that's what nee…
/r/MensRights14/04/22 09:28 PM
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That's a really random thing to say. I am sure there are many lesbians or women only sexually into adult men, who are also hateful towards men. Those who want to force a sex change are also very unlikely to be pedophiles. Let's not make the same mistake as feminists, and seek for an easy target to hate and blame for all.
/r/MensRights14/04/22 09:24 PM
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That's entirely YOUR opinion (why would it matter, nor your invented rules? there are common ground rules everyone has to follow, not make up their own mind and decide based on their power, i.e., abuse it). We don't live in a dictatorship and similar to a judge a mod is not a god or without fault. There is no need at all to accept anything and move on. That's what people say who want you to comply, this is not how a free society works. Keep your authority worshipping to yourself. It's wrong and …
/r/AntiFeminists14/04/22 09:07 PM
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It is actually not more common, check the stats, men are more frequently the victims of physical assault. It's a common fallacy.
/r/AntiFeminists14/04/22 03:27 PM
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No. She was wrong for expecting to be allowed to physically assault and get away with it. But you are wrong for assuming him being physically stronger gives him a free pass to do what he wants. He pushed back that way okay. But then he overreacted and threw many punches, especially at the guy. Total overreaction and just keeping punching to let out his anger. That part was wrong. People actually coming in later to limit his ongoing punching was totally right.
/r/AntiFeminists14/04/22 03:19 PM
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Yep, the wording and aggressiveness was not necessary. But a permanent ban is still an overreaction. A mature way to handle this is to validate the correct points (or differing opinion) while enforcing rules (in a non overstrict way).
/r/AntiFeminists14/04/22 02:56 PM
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But the mod did not validate the points either, just focused on formalities. A mature way to handle this is to do both, not just insist on rules, while ignoring the rest.
/r/AntiFeminists14/04/22 02:51 PM
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I agree the OP used unnecessarily adversive language, but the mod also clearly overreacted. Muting him was power abuse. Mod could have validated his reasonable points, while asking to follow the reasonable rules. But just focused on the rules solely. That's not how you handle this in a mature way. Referring to his/her nieces was also childish. When you have power, you don't need to insit on it. Especially taking the freedom of speech away is the wrong way to sanction somebody.
/r/AntiFeminists14/04/22 02:47 PM
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Paying for sex is abusive towards men. Bad advice.
/r/AntiFeminists14/04/22 02:40 PM
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I understand her partly. Yet she is making it a big deal and dramatizing it, given the very short relationship. Still I understand her take and especially criticism of his dishonesty. This is for once a real case where I agree. Just her language seems the typical over the top kind of dramatization and stereotypical talk about how she is now in a better relationship.
/r/AntiFeminists14/04/22 02:38 PM
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I have stumbled upon him before and his hateful messages always struck me as weird. Almost worse than actual feminists. I dislike the word simps or white knight, but here it actually applies. Berating men and generally judging them for his personal gains, disgusting.
/r/AntiFeminists14/04/22 02:09 PM
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toxic masculinity, fragile masculinity, and mansplaining are baseless? Those terms alone are problematic and toxic, as is explained in several threads on here or at LeftWingMaleAdvocates/.
/r/MensRights14/04/22 07:23 AM
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Just because people mix random thoughts, does not make them originally left wing ideas. The underlying common factor is feminism, nothing else.
/r/MensRights14/04/22 02:28 AM
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Marx was certainly not prudish or narrow minded like that. Marxist feminists are not speaking for Marx, they extended his theory to fit their ideals. But there are equally reactionary and conservative feminists, who have similar beliefs.
/r/MensRights14/04/22 02:27 AM
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Unfortunately this mindset shows in real relationships as well. Man supposedly cheats (but didn't) is made to feel horrible. Woman actually cheats, downplays it, treats him badly, when confronted with what she did, she will act like the victim and doesn't want to be contacted again. The ugly part is that when women want to play foul, they can threaten you with legal measures, and humiliate you even more, after they disrespected you and you try at least to get closure and say how wrong it was.
/r/MensRights14/04/22 02:18 AM
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Men are largely to blame for this. Why would you say that on such a sub? It's not men's fault. Society at large chatises men for "using" women for sex, which creates a lot of guilt. Then there is a lot of jealousy you have to deal with, everywhere in media women complaining about men not being good at sex, while it's taboo to openly say that about women. You are told not to say anything bad about her looks, if ever so slightly, are called gay or a worse when you don't feel attracted to someone, …
/r/MensRights14/04/22 02:09 AM
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Agreed. Eventhough I care about men's rights, it's about individuals in the end, which are not their group. Men's rights just need attention, because these issues are ignored categorically, or minimized, because of biases. So it's more about letting go of the categorization others put on you, rather than strongly identifying with gender.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/04/22 09:02 PM
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There is also this weird type of flirting, where women think that you helping them lift stuff or put it in the right place, should make you feel all fuzzy and happy about the attention she gives you. I guess it's so great to be told to be a "strong" man. What they don't notice, is that they are just playing out their fantasies, and most men wont care about being her "hero". The compliments are very objectifying, not really about your actual achievements. They rarely care about those. Now that I …
/r/MensRights12/04/22 08:45 PM
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groping (happend just one time, but it happend. Perpetrator was an older woman with a rather chauvinist personality, also a feminist) Happened to me too. Got slaps on my butt, and they werent older, but even openly laughed about it. "Older" women actually behaved, well regarding groping, but they loved commanding me around.
/r/MensRights12/04/22 08:41 PM
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Google is also not neutral, given how many search terms just give no results at all, even when you know there is a specific website that exists (and it's not even anything controversial, just a technical niche topic, for example). But also very common phrases or sayings get censored and get no results. Censoring also works by deprioritizing word combinations or reinterpreting them in more "desired" ways.
/r/MensRights12/04/22 08:26 PM
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It's not about being horny, it's about being brainwashed. Lots of people actually do believe they are fighting for the good cause. (And it's lots of women siding with those making such claims, not just desperate guys.) It's really insidious.
/r/MensRights12/04/22 08:20 PM
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They are. I wish they would improve instead of us having to say that, though.
/r/MensRights12/04/22 08:19 PM
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It sounds ridiculous, but there are enough women who make their SO feel like losers and get off to the power game. Eventhough she is supposed to be his partner. Similar in dating, women love playing power games. It makes no real sense, but the likely reason is: many don't seek an actual relationship (or even just a fun one time connection, not every good connection needs to be longterm, just honest and intense). They are bored or frustrated and play games, yet project it on you, since you don't …
/r/MensRights12/04/22 08:11 PM
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Sure. But too many people make up their minds, and then call it harassment, or just because they follow their random mood swings, and want you to comply to them. It's also a way to rule, to suggest you ask too much, when you ask for the bare minimum. There are extremes on both sides.
/r/MensRights12/04/22 08:03 PM
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Nagging you to do things you said you won’t do or clearly don’t have any plan to do or likely way of coming up with a plan to do might be abuse. Agreed. Not if you owe somebody something, though. For example if you lent money, reminding to pay it back is not nagging, just because the other party does not want to give it back. People too easily think that their will alone decides if something is right or wrong. But there is another will, that needs to be respected as well. That's why contracts ex…
/r/MensRights12/04/22 04:16 AM
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Yeah. Agreed. Freedom is a two way street. If one party takes all the freedom, and the other side has to accept how it affects their freedom, insisting this isn't balanced, is not nagging. It's also wrong to call a legitimate demand harassment. For example, it is perfectly normal to remind someone who owes you money a few times, then announce legal consequences. Otherwise contracts become meaningless.
/r/MensRights12/04/22 04:12 AM
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At this point, some people resort to threats like "if you don't do 'x' I'm leaving" which is extortion. It can be, depending on the wording or severness. But consequences are necessary at some point. Assume somebody owes you money, and its not a relationship. Is reminding them of paying them nagging? You will be reminded a few times, then legal consequences will follow. It's perfectly normal to not agree with ignoring a valid request. Not everything is such a pressing issue, or even important. B…
/r/MensRights12/04/22 04:04 AM
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But the issue is... for example... even just reminding someone to do something can sometimes be viewed as nagging. It's all depends on the perception sometimes. I agree. Not everything is nagging, just because you repeat an unanswered request. If you owe someone money, the repeated requests to pay what you are due, is not nagging.
/r/MensRights12/04/22 04:00 AM
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The point about shared living or working spaces (which will include people you didn't get to chose, nor date) will require respect of the wishes of others, still stands though. It's not just about romantic (chosen) partnerships. In a society, compromises are necessary. Freedom is a two way street.
/r/MensRights12/04/22 03:55 AM
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Why is it a reasonable request for someone else to change just for you, if they are not prepared to freely do so? That's not reasonable, it's entitlement and a failure to understand individual autonomy. There are a lot of possible conflicts in a society, and not everyone chose to be together, that's how society works. You still have to find solutions and agreements. If one side just says "well you can leave if you don't like it", everyone will just start to focus on their needs and become selfis…
/r/MensRights12/04/22 03:52 AM
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Keeping silent and ignoring requests is at least equally abusive. It's just another way to get your way, or to coerce people to accept what you want, and not consider what they want.
/r/MensRights12/04/22 03:48 AM
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She would nag him about smoking in the apartment when he paid at least half of the bills That's a good example of not nagging. Smoking is bad for health, including those who are around you (passive smoking). Just because you own something, does not mean you can decide over the health of someone else.
/r/MensRights12/04/22 03:45 AM
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You have to make sure that this isn't abused to get your way though. People love to "strike first", then act like any demand for fixing or explaining this is harassment. Not every contract is legally written down or binding, and then you don't have much choice but insisting on what was agreed upon.
/r/MensRights12/04/22 03:44 AM
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she will quickly realize that she needs to clear out of the general area and let me work efficiently. It's probably a naive question, but you never know. Have you tried telling her to get out of your "general area of movement" while you do work?
/r/MensRights12/04/22 03:39 AM
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You're mischaracterizing or misunderstanding what OP said. I am not, maybe OP was unable to express it better, but OP's wording is very suggestive: and they can get propositioned by men who they’re not ready for. This together with calling it a "nightmare" is clearly saying that men are scary and shouldn't approach them, but do. However, many teenage girls do get "attention" from male (and female) predators and many of these teenage girls do not have the social and/or emotional maturity to deal …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/04/22 03:05 AM
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It's quite insideous, since people will rarely praise a big size. It's just a requirement, expected. Or others will go out of their way to say why it's not all of that, and assign bad qualities to big ones, too. So it's really not about what is better, it's too keep people down, either way. You wont hear a real honest praising of big ones in public, it's only to put assumedly most down, who are not big. You wont really win, you just don't loose. When you fit this requirement, it's just another t…
/r/MensRights10/04/22 11:51 PM
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Calling circumcised men mutilated isn't much better. You are shaming other men, to compensate. Equally wrong! ​ Edit (to poster below me): Because YOU were mutilated, does not give you the right to call others this way. Stop it! I was replying to post under me, which cannot be replied to. No matter who, nobody should talk about MEN in insulting way, just because they feel bad about THEMselves.
/r/MensRights10/04/22 11:48 PM
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I actually always felt attracted (I have to point that out today -- no not sexually) to actually older people as in my grandparents, because of the courtoisy extended to each other. It's so charming and endearing, and even fun to be polite. In France you would also casually flirt with strangers, and think nothing of it. It was just part of being nice to each other.
/r/MensRights10/04/22 11:25 PM
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I don't expect a traditional old lady to comment on the skin of a man who is way younger than her. They actually do, even to kids. And guess what, even men did that in the past. None of this was meant sexually, before crazy people started to make it sound so.
/r/MensRights10/04/22 11:20 PM
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Yeah, I wish people wouldn't repeat the bad parts of feminism. Making others feel good shouldn't be seen as creepy. Also adding in agism doesn't make this any better. Everyone gets old eventually, what an awesome outlook on the future.
/r/MensRights10/04/22 11:19 PM
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A creep is someone who she doesn’t find attractive. It goes both ways for both genders. If that's the case, then she is the wrong one, not him. Repeating that digusting mistake doesn't make it better.
/r/MensRights10/04/22 11:14 PM
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The real issue is that: "most likely be seen as a gross perve." Why is this judgement even acceptable. The creep is suggesting and degrading that man, not the man giving a compliment. It's excluding people because of their age. Nobody forces you to flirt, interact more, nobody rapes you, nothing. But people do something that is completely unwarranted: insult him for his age or intention. It's funny how people don't see who really made the mistake here! It's casual agism, which isn't better than …
/r/MensRights10/04/22 11:13 PM
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I just hope we're not going the same way women did with "be attractive, don't be unattractive" to call someone a creep. Absolutely. Including not shaming people for their age. It's very toxic.
/r/MensRights10/04/22 11:10 PM
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I wish more people thought like you. There is so much judgement everywhere, regarding gender, race, age. It makes being in public so uncomfortable, because you never know what hesitation means, and if they have weird bad thoughts about you.
/r/MensRights10/04/22 11:09 PM
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Honestly, I wish more men felt confident telling women nicely that they look good, and i wish they didn't feel awkward about it when they unfortunately ran into a quack feminist who would take offense. Agreed. I wish more women would feel comfortable to do that as well. It just makes you feel more confident and nicer about yourself, and can help so much when you have a bad day. It definitely changed with generations, it's not a question of age per see (except that earlier generations are natural…
/r/MensRights10/04/22 11:04 PM
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Exactly. I feel everyone should be more cool about this, and not feel offended or creeped out at every interaction that is meant to just create a nice general mood. People being agist so much today, no matter which gender, and implying bad intentions or feeling disgust for everything, is really what is creepy.
/r/MensRights10/04/22 11:01 PM
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No, it's not a low standard. They grew up in times where people weren't so petty about complimenting each other. It's not because they have "low" worth. Don't be agist.
/r/MensRights10/04/22 10:58 PM
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Men have subconsciously embraced the lie that they’re the least physically attractive gender. Despite caring for how we look you’ll find out that at least half of the men in relationships will usually call themselves “lucky” to have her and talk about how she is above their leagues and say things like “ I dunno what she’s doing with a loser like me”. I full heartedly agree. There also used to be the argument that men dont have as many curves, and that's why women are more attractive. It's also s…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/04/22 10:39 PM
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For instance, being a teenage girl/young woman can be an absolute nightmare. Suddenly, many teenage boys and young men start to be interested in them out of nowhere, and they can get propositioned by men who they’re not ready for. Usually this is a slow progression, not out of nowhere, and it concerns both genders. It's called puberty. This is a completely normal, if confusing, process of anyone becoming an adult. Saying it is a nightmare makes it sound like men are predators, which they are not…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/04/22 10:28 PM
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No because masculinity is not toxic, but the views and expectations people push on masculinity. Men define what masculinity is, not other people. And since other people suggest toxic masculine behavior men don't want, this short expression is wrong.
/r/MensRights09/04/22 03:46 PM
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There are traditionally masculine values and behaviors that are toxic, and that is toxic masculinity. It's not just behavior, it's about values and beliefs too. They are not masculine values. Again, your assign it to the wrong party. Lots of views about masculinity don't come from men at all, but from what others expect from them. For example self-sacrificing for women is a traditional expectation from society towards men. It's not a traditionally masculine value, it's a traditional value societ…
/r/MensRights09/04/22 03:42 PM
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specifying "toxic something" implies other versions of something, It does not. That's why you have the qualifiers "some" or "all". "Think of a pink elephant" does not suggest there are other colored elephants, it merely makes you think of a pink colored one, and makes it hard to think of something else, even when you are aware of it. Speaking from pure logic however it says nothing at all about whether other elephants exist (of any color), or if they have other colors. There are also psychologic…
/r/MensRights09/04/22 03:39 PM
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"Toxic views on masculinity" is short enough and precise. Or "toxic gender norms".
/r/MensRights09/04/22 03:29 PM
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Especially when people outside of the tribe encourage the other tribe to act competitive for their own sake (and to fight their fights, as proxies). Makes this whole logic that dismisses male victims even more twisted. In reality, this is about pecking order, and a lot of society supporting it, with their judgements on who is a loser and winner, and who "deserves" what. The implied dirty truth is that people think the male victims had it coming, and assume whatever negative fantasy or experience…
/r/MensRights09/04/22 03:27 PM
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Good advice, but how to find such people? It takes long to get an appointment, and asking each one of them first if they match is going to take quite a while, and makes me wonder how many will put up with this selectivity (also thinking of insurrances for example). Is there an effective way to do this selection?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/04/22 03:08 PM
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There are a lot of programs in Germany for example to allow Eastern Europeans to study cheaply and even attract them. Courses were converted to English, there are sponsorships and scholarships. Even between classes, at least middle and lower class, the lower class person can be privileged, because of compensatory actions and explicit support. People should stop referring to normal middle class people as privileged, in real it comes with a lot of burdens and limits. Only once you reach upper uppe…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/04/22 03:03 PM
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Only if you are part of the right group. Actual victims rarely benefit from this. And this is also true for many POC, just look at those really in need that don't serve a purpose of creating public attention.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/04/22 02:49 PM
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I think you just did that. Men were forced to provide or take on certain roles. They were *not* free to take the jobs they want. Lots of men were actually owned by their lords and assigned work to do. Both had roles assigned, and little freedom, but within this little freedom, women's health was still cared for more. It's important to point out, since this is a very long tradition, and explains why it's so hard to fix it. Calling this a pissing contest is ignoring how important it is to address …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/04/22 02:47 PM
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It's not a pissing contest, it's not about winning. It's about pushing back against the permanent gaslighting everywhere, that is really harming people and their self worth, or what they feel free to do or achieve.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/04/22 02:44 PM
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True. I just meant that people don't really go after "bad guys", but really just look for a free pass to let out their general anger. It's not at all about justice. Part of the legal system reflects this mentality already, which is why even if police is better, it doesn't solve the problem completely.
/r/MensRights09/04/22 02:06 PM
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No it should not. If it was rape then it's treated like rape. If it was grooming then you need to consider the real outcome. You cannot just go more extreme because you feel the irrational need for revenge (for something that wasn't even concerning you). The law is about creating boundaries and about fixing unfairness. Not about creating legal ways for abuse or giving people an outlet for their primitive views. Your urges are no better than those you condem.
/r/MensRights09/04/22 02:01 PM
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You are sick and don't even notice it. The cognitive dissoance of your kind is nauseaus. You think that your crime which is a lot worse and permanent is better than another crime?
/r/MensRights09/04/22 01:58 PM
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Your puritanistic mindset is what creates pedos in the first place, or invents them when you don't find enough, because you need someone to hate. Then you feel so much pressure you need to lash out, one way or another. THAT is the real sickness. You all haven't progressed much from the times where you hanged people, and it shows in how your society is downspiraling. Unfortunately your sickness is spreading over Europe, and causing a regressing society here as well.
/r/MensRights09/04/22 01:55 PM
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Yes, and then shame those men and degrade them even more. Really dangerous people are almost never chased like this.
/r/MensRights09/04/22 01:51 PM
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People who follow down that path often end up dehumanizing blacks, other people of color and immigrants. And to be clear, dehumanizing ultimately means that you just don't care at all about whether the people who were dehumanized live or die, starve to death, get tortured etc... It certainly is. The tricky part to understand here, people can be and are racist against whites as well. And the gaslighting that happens regarding this is very damaging, since when you are constantly questioned about h…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/04/22 01:45 PM
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This was just an example to say it's not unchangeable. I could list other examples. The main point remains: your biases are not unchangeable and it's not like it's natural.
/r/MensRights07/04/22 04:54 PM
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Yeah, but the amount of change is still shocking, even when you are aware of it.
/r/MensRights07/04/22 04:23 PM
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It's not helpful to reconfirm he violated it. What he did was clearly not harassment. This is about men's rights, so you would assume people support, not suggest to accept wrong laws and wrong reactions of the legal system. His woman clearly abuses her power to get her way. And that the legal system does not care and is overzealous is exactly the issue. The legal system exists to reduce conflict, not fuel it by taking sides. You may have "resolved" it with "acceptance", but what you do is really…
/r/MensRights07/04/22 04:21 PM
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Have you read what he wrote? This is totally insane. The one to truly harass is the woman in this case, using her power to subjugate him!
/r/MensRights07/04/22 04:13 PM
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It's scary how much makeup changes people. When you look at the linked article and see her smile like "I know I am cute", and she wears no makeup. Makes you reconsider many IG models.
/r/MensRights07/04/22 04:06 PM
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It's because society indoctrinates people to behave this way. Other nations are different. Think of how a lot of people in Asia think about boys vs. girls during the one child policy.
/r/MensRights07/04/22 03:42 PM
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You clearly have not experienced those times.
/r/MensRights07/04/22 02:04 PM
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I was explicitly focusing on adults, so nothing pedo. But I think it's troubling to see how age (within adults) is often used to paint people as creepy, and means the "younger" one has all the power to make the other side look bad. That's wrong.
/r/MensRights07/04/22 02:02 PM
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That would be awesome. Especially if we finally start to see people as individuals vs. treating everyone as part of a group. The latter means we blindly judge instead of really listening to individual, i.e., human needs.
/r/MensRights06/04/22 06:59 PM
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Such a capricious position. That’s like me, dressing like a clown but wanting only people younger than 15year old to laugh. That's such a good comparison! Especially also concerning how agism is still acceptable when it comes to judgemental thoughts (when everyone involved is an adult anyways, just of differing age).
/r/MensRights06/04/22 06:51 PM
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Another troubling issue is that many women will say that they have male gay best friends, since they understand women better. Also saying that all good men are either taken or gay, is quite common as well. In essence, in modern society, gay men are often shown as the better men. (How much gay men actually profit from this or not, I am unable to say. But it's often used as a leverage against straight men.)
/r/MensRights06/04/22 06:47 PM
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Another troubling issue is that many women will say that they have male gay best friends, since they understand women better. Also saying that all good men are either taken or gay, is quite common as well. In essence, in modern society, gay men are often shown as the better men.
/r/MensRights06/04/22 06:45 PM
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What about people with bad vision who need longer to properly see? Sounds very discriminatory. Instead people should learn about empathy again more, and understand people aren't standardized machines.
/r/MensRights06/04/22 06:41 PM
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It really does. How often do you hear, since childhood actually, how women don't like men caves, basement dwellers or get jealous when men share common interests and socialize (or spend time alone, or with other men, accused of cheating etc.). Those ideas are so commonly mentioned in media and TV as well. The guilt tripping that comes along with all of it is also strong. Yet when you try to involve them, most are not interested at all. You end up changing your goals and focus slowly to appease a…
/r/MensRights06/04/22 06:07 PM
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Don't call it mutilation. That's insulting to the people who had to do it for medical reasons. Circumcision is exact, and you can still lobby for the (right) cause to make consent mandatory.
/r/MensRights06/04/22 06:01 PM
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I agree. The false assumption about how men behave or feel have been a guilt tripping force that make you question yourself in many ways if you really do feel what you do and if you are right to feel that way, or that you must be an exception amongst men. A lot of what society says and claims about men resembles gaslighting.
/r/MensRights06/04/22 05:51 PM
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Not being treated fairly when it comes to assault is certainly even more relevant, since it starts as early as being a boy. Being terrorized and assaulted physically you get almost no support as a man, even ridicule, instead.
/r/MensRights06/04/22 05:47 PM
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Society certainly puts pressure on men to confirm to certain rules (I wouldn't like to call them ideals, since that would imply they are good traits, which is debatable). But it is also true that what society (and women) desire in men and focus on has changed over time (flower power, Romantic era, K-Pop being some obvious examples). The latter means what is now is not set in stone and can (and should) change.
/r/MensRights06/04/22 05:45 PM
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And that’s not going to change because nobody gets to choose what turns them on and what does not. One of the most toxic things to do is repeat those narrative endlessly when history has proven them wrong: flower power period, Romantic era in Europe, K-Pop. The traits you described as undesirable were exactly what attracted women, and not the opposite. Countless fans of those times that went crazy for that type of guy have proven so. Women (and people in general) seek what society describes as h…
/r/MensRights06/04/22 05:41 PM
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No, it's more than exceptions. The current trend in the US is not the absolute or general truth. Look for the Romantic period in Europe, K-Pop, or even the 60s/70s flower power (make love, not war). Listen to all the songs and "soft" men from that time (and their big fan groups). Just look at all the romantic sad songs. This view is simply inaccurate.
/r/MensRights06/04/22 05:35 PM
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This is not true. Again, research the Romantic period, where this actually made women more attracted to men. People discount how society, culture and time make people react. Your view is true for the USA, but not overall. Doing good research is hard, especially if you want to truly see how people react depending on socialisation and what is deemed attractive or high status. Another current example is K-Pop. Women are crazy for them. Crying is not unattractive in general, it can actually be very …
/r/MensRights06/04/22 05:30 PM
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I find it insulting. That you want to discredit that is weird. If you lack the empathy you shouldn't be in a movement fighting for more rights, because acknowledging feelings is a major part of this whole movement.
/r/EverydayMisandry06/04/22 11:41 AM
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even if we lost half of the male population inbreeding wouldn't be a concern Even if we lost half of the female population it would not affect the overall population. They just would need to have twice as many kids compared to before. Women used to have many kids, one after another, in older times. But a shrinking population in and of itself would not be a problem, either. It just needs to be large enough to function and be genetically diverse enough. If you have so few women you are in danger t…
/r/MensRights06/04/22 03:28 AM
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Men as a demographic group are seen as more disposable then women by society. If you think of many Asian countries, this is clearly not true. China famously had much more boys than girls, during the one child policy. When being forced to only have one child, people even killed girls, to be able to have boys instead. Sailors were very desired on islands, to refresh the gene pool. Technically they created a "surplus" of men on the island, still they were in high demand. Devaluing men is a western …
/r/MensRights06/04/22 03:12 AM
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Movies (and porn) are different, since actors are playing with other actors they got acquainted to, and it's not unheard of them becoming or being couples. So what you see there can seem realistic, depending on how well it is acted and felt by the actors. A prostitute however is a stranger who usually wouldn't have sex with you otherwise, and demands you to compensate for their unwillingness by money, poses a health risk, and does it with everyone (which is also not exactly appealing, to say it …
/r/MalePsychology06/04/22 12:48 AM
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It is quite common for boys to be told they are too aggressive, not as compliant as girls (which they are supposed to immitate), or lacking in academic will/qualification. This shaming is a form of control. A lot of aggression you see in boys is a sign of frustration not freedom, because they are not allowed to be themselves. I think people are blind for the control they are not experiencing themselves, and think men are free because they object and oppose control, then assume that is enough to …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/04/22 12:43 AM
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Sex workers are not the same. Having to pay for the "experience" is the opposite of being desired and quite degrading.
/r/MalePsychology05/04/22 01:05 PM
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If you are meeting people in real life, and they are sceptical or shy, I would make sure your intentions are clear and you give time for people to adapt. I have been approached, but in ways that were so direct and demanding I felt sceptical or didn't know how to react, or just wasn't in the mood / had no time to get in the mood, and felt what I wanted didn't really matter. It felt more like a request to be entertained, then no further action was taken, and all the weight was on me to keep it int…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/04/22 12:41 PM
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Don’t waste your time on guys that are “defensive”. So people who have been used and abused should be ignored because they are naturally cautious of offers? This sounds like you are against shy men. If you mean insulting or respectless, then that's not defensive. Being doubtful and asking about your motives and asking to show a bit of perserverance is perfectly normal.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/04/22 12:26 PM
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Stop shaming middle aged men generally, agism is just as bad as misandry.
/r/MensRights05/04/22 11:41 AM
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Why do you have to put down skinny guys or "nerds" with your unnecessary added insults you associate with them?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/04/22 11:16 AM
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Lower amounts of parental control while growing up. Big myth.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/04/22 10:57 AM
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Bezos is hardly masculine.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/04/22 10:46 AM
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Needless to say I already worked for them and when the applications come if you ticked straight or caucasian that application was put straight in the bin….the first thing they genuinely looked at on an application was them two boxes. Is it even legal to ask about these characteristics?
/r/MensRights05/04/22 10:29 AM
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It all started with the misuse of older for people in their late 20s to 40s. When in real older means when you are in your 70. And elderly means when you are 80+. The guy is middle aged.
/r/MensRights05/04/22 10:25 AM
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It may depend on what subjects you are mentioning, but favoritism for women has been a long tradition in Europe as well. Girls days for example are not exactly recent, and the ads they had all over university campuses praising women, or STEM websites having almost exclusively female students (and their "successes") as role models to attract students, show a clear message about who is more desireable than others. In Europe boys also do less well than girls in schools, and that isn't as recent eit…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/04/22 09:39 AM
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I think the major issue with dating concepts in general is that everyone is focused on winning their partner before it's too late. However this is a very dangerous mindset, because you will still live on after you "secured" the deal (and change, mature, etc.). If you think your options are less or your are less desireable later, what it really means is that you desperately hope your partner wont go away once you are together. That creates an unhealthy dependence and very high expectations on you…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/04/22 08:16 AM
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I haven't been in the dating world for quite a long time now but I have friends on tinder and places like that who talk about bots and fake profiles from only fans girls trying to get you to send them money for pictures or dates. Yes, it's widespread on social media as well. Casual prostitution is another topic I would like to see addressed in male rights. I do not actually think it is liberating to men at all, and more degrading to involve money for sex or emotional intimacy. Even having it bro…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/04/22 04:50 PM
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I agree. Dating advice focuses so much on making you more mainstream (and therefore miserable) instead of where to find and date people who actually match you. The struggles you face with this other kind of people are quite different from the mainstream.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/04/22 04:45 PM
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like I said I think that's just the way things are in sexual attraction (like women need to take better care of their appearance than men) Women today do expect quite a bit regarding men and their grooming for example, or their clothing styles. The amount of women who comment on nice shoes, dresses or body is significant. The major difference is in makeup and what women consider attractive. They just prefer handsome vs pretty, which does not mean they don't care about your looks. Men are visual,…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/04/22 04:34 PM
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I'm not seeing a dearth of male heroes in fiction. Or did you mean something different about role models? I do, because the heros are more and more unrealistic. All either super body builders, or enhanced, or supposedly super smart. Realistic heros that struggle through life and actually overcome things in realistic ways while failing repeatedly, and having companionship are not that common. In classic literature, not in modern media.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/04/22 04:29 PM
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And by extension there is nothing we can do apart from telling women that there attraction to confident men is wrong which I completely disagree with. But being so focused on confidence in men is in part wrong. It often stems from the wish to not be responsible yourself, but delegate that part to the "strong rock" who protects you. It doesn't show a natural need, it shows immaturity. It's reasonable to expect to have a grown partner, and not someone who wants to be a child you take care of. A lo…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/04/22 04:22 PM
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Yep. Being shamed for many natural manly desires is what makes you lose yourself. What exactly defines masculinity though may vary depending on the specific male.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/04/22 04:18 PM
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Ultimately it's pretty irrelevant what people tell you you *should* do. It's similar to telling you how you should learn, when that specific learning method does not suit you. People who insist on this, just talk from a confirmation bias perspective. Real advice is about giving options, not forcing you down a path.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/04/22 04:14 PM
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What someone means when they say someone isn't confident is that he isn't masculine enough for heterosexual relationships. I would like to replace that with not conforming enough with their stereotypical fantasy. Their isn't anything unmasculine about daring not to fit in or conforming. If anything, going against norms is very typical for someone high on testosterone.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/04/22 04:09 PM
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Perhaps I should have been more clear. I'm talking about two different things: the internal confidence someone actually has vs. the popular tropes people believe about how confidence manifests. I was calling both of those things "confidence". Agreed. Also confidence doesn't mean you will enjoy each interaction or are willing to put up with frequent unsatisfactory interactions. A better idea that to play "numbers games" is to know where to find quality people who match your ideals, instead of bei…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/04/22 04:07 PM
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The thing is, you don't want a partner who looks for confidence in you as the major trait they are attracted to. Someone like that is at most entertainment, but not someone you can lean on when times get tough, or have any meaningful exchange with. Similarly, the overbearing type is unhealthy as well. There is no point in being with people who want to be your fan (and get mad when you change or have weak periods and hardships), and not your partner. People who expect strong confidence really wan…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/04/22 03:59 PM
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It's just what I noticed with those who approached me and when I talked to them about their own impressions and beliefs. I am glad to hear there are other types. Obviously my knowledge is anecdotal, but it has been a pretty recurrent experience.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/04/22 03:44 PM
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Sharing positive realistic views is also so important to help people. Criticizing is good, but quickly can make you feel hopeless, since societal change is rarely around the corner. So thanks for sharing this useful realistic view.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/04/22 01:36 PM
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men who hold power had to appeal to a women majority in order to hold that power in the first place Indeed, an often overlooked "detail". Women play a large role in which men have the power.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/04/22 01:13 PM
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Ironically, even in nations where the presidents/chancelors are women.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/04/22 01:11 PM
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The day where all of them will be eliminated and replaced by women is an utopia Dystopia. Not that leaders in general are such a great idea. We need to find less hierarchical and more democratic structures, that respect individuals (and not just majority vote).
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/04/22 01:07 PM
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Not only that but I literally view it my responsibility as a person to make things better for all of humanity, not just the people who look like me. I used to as well, now I am exhausted.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/04/22 01:04 PM
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You would hope that people living now can also be respected. What can we do to positively affect people's lives now?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/04/22 01:00 PM
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The list of boiled down arguments really reflects the problematic mindset many people have in general. It goes against all I would actually call liberal. How can you be liberal and not take your opponent's views and feelings seriously? It's all about valuing individuals and different takes. Freedom can never be one sided.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/04/22 12:56 PM
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I’m all for not treating men like shit just because they’re not having sex, but nobody is owed sex. One part of the issue with "owed" is that society treats you as bad or as failure if you don't cater to the needs of bonding and love from women, even if their way is suffocating or caging and guilt tripping. Yet the need for bonding through sex is regularly ignored, unless it comes from "neglected" women. There is this tacit assumption that women deserve to be loved and treated well, while men sh…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/04/22 12:50 PM
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I don’t drink. Does that mean I’m involuntarily sober? Of course not. It just means I don’t drink. Not comparable unless you desire to drink, but people stop you from doing it. Usually when you say "I don't drink" it's because you don't enjoy drinking, not because you are forced not to.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/04/22 12:39 PM
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Lots of "feminists" just follow the driving forces they see around them, and parrot common phrases, without thinking much about them. Similarly with insults. Guys do that too, regarding simp or "nice guy". In general there is a widespread lack of true empathy, that goes beyond virtue signaling and actual wish to help in a way that has a positive effect. The help people enjoy to give is often more about how it makes them feel, than whether it truly helps. In short, most people don't even care abo…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/04/22 12:35 PM
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Redpill also has a really negative view on men, and is not empowering or liberating. Instead it focuses on how to adapt to a depressing world view, to outdo others. Feminism certainly has many negative aspects also for women, but overall it has a more positive view on what women can achieve and deserve, than redpill. Redpill is all about playing tricks on people and people pleasing to get what you desire. But it lacks any true self-worth ideas, you only have to "harden" yourself to take all the …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/04/22 12:25 PM
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Actual liberation would really focus less on what men "should" be, and more about how they can choose to be what they want (within the boundaries of human rights ofc).
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/04/22 12:22 PM
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Very well explained. And it is a true issue that goes beyond "fragility". If you can sense people are not in your favor from the get go, how can you feel comfortable and open up, expecting real caring help? If you have to "fight" or defend against those who supposedly help, you cannot really heal or improve, or be strengthened where necessary, since you never really feel you can let your guard down. Only when you feel safe you can experiment with new behavioral patterns. You can't learn effectiv…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/04/22 12:19 PM
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From my interaction with gays I am not fully sure that is entirely true. Looks and size of certain parts do play a major role. Especially looks, body and the way you dress seems much more important than for straight men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/04/22 12:04 PM
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Not being offended is a good strategy, especially if you don't feel attacked. The mindset however is still problematic, since it's just a gratuitous sexist insult. It's similar to saying: You may be bleeding, but unlike yours, this channel cloggs up easily. (To remind women not to flush their period hygiene products down the toilet.) It's just an unnecessary personal attack.
/r/MensRights02/04/22 08:04 PM
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Well both of them repeat stereotypes. None of them mention that men are inviduals and not slaves having to conform to people's expectations to be "perfect".
/r/MensRights02/04/22 07:26 PM
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I have seen weird opinions over there being supported, such as women who train daily being weaker than a sedentary man lol. Contesting that gets you downvoted.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/03/22 11:46 PM
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That's definitely wrong and people who agree with you, too, even biologically, but okay, misandry even here. Women do have stronger legs than men, on average, btw, different parts of the body are stronger dependent on gender, but it's wrong that men are stronger on average, certainly not untrained men vs trained women. That's ridiculous. Untrained men, like any humans, don't have significant upper body strength. So if you compare trained women and men, given similar weight classes and body struc…
/r/MensRights30/03/22 06:26 PM
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Most sedentary men are still significantly stronger than women that train daily. That's simply not true. Have you seen female athletes or muscle women? Edit: the downvotes are really irrational. Do you really think someone who is able to lift weights by daily training will be less strong than someone who sits all day, just because he is a man? Really?
/r/MensRights30/03/22 02:57 AM
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Im somewhat ok with guys being expected to protect girls physically (defending a girl whos being attacked/threatened). Why? There is no reason women deserve special treatment. People you care for should be defended, but also with the right measures, and not through violence or escalation.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/03/22 07:50 PM
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Thanks for the positive message. It's definitely appreciated.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/03/22 07:31 PM
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Sure, but it's like a drug, sometime this will loose its appeal, too, and you will look for girls who reject you to conquer them and it will spiral out of hand. You need a different perspective on what can satisfy you besides the thrill and hunt.
/r/seduction29/03/22 11:44 AM
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He was asking for advice on how to go from there, while you just told him how scary the future will be. He is already interested in change, not in more "motivation".
/r/seduction29/03/22 11:42 AM
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It's not wrong to defend someone, but you have to do it the right way, and not become an abuser yourself. Defense like this is the most common reasoning to abuse in the first place. It's not about what the public thinks of you, real healing is not achieved by even more hostility, but by making people feel in control again and creating boundaries. Validating someones feeling while publicly defending them with a joke can help, for example.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/03/22 11:38 AM
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Yes and Smith publicly apologized, so it's easier to let it go, than if he doubled down on his stance.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/03/22 11:34 AM
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It's an example of a negative gender norm, though, sure. Perfect phrasing. Removing the focus from "masculinity" completely, makes it the most neutral and shifts the attention to where it matters: masculinity is not the issue, nor are men, but expectations from society.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/03/22 11:31 AM
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Will could have chosen to stay in his seat, or to even calm her down and tell her it was just a joke "It's just a joke" is not a respectful or wise thing to say to someone who was offended. I have no perfect solution, but publicly acknowledging her feelings, and then jokingly suggesting they would have to go outdoors to settle the matter, because he loves his wife and that's what people expect, might have defused the situation. Then maybe a caress over her bald head and a kiss, while staying fir…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/03/22 11:23 AM
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Men aren't conditioned to kill other men who insult their girlfriends otherwise your one example would be a daily occurrence in America. Again, please stop negatively generalizing about men. To be fair people being conditioned and people accepting the conditioning are two pairs of shoes. I think it doesn't help to pretend there is no conditioning going on in a lot of media which often pushes the stereotype of the strong (and often ripped) type of guy that is protective of others, or a weak idiot…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/03/22 11:03 AM
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I love the analysis of all the subtle and healthy parts you mentioned about saving your image/"face" that happened with all men involved in this conflict. I also would say a name like road rush can feel endearing in the right context or insulting in another. A lot depends on when and how it is said and what expectations on your reaction are implied. For example, it's not that seldom people are forced to accept such an endearing joke (not implying that happened in your case), which puts a lot of …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/03/22 10:37 AM
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If you're single as a guy, people have to wonder about you, with violence and creepiness being a chief concern. Which, obviously, there's a good amount of legitimacy to that fear. Why do you believe so? Why do people imagine family fathers are less of a threat when many can be violent, too? It's just an inherent bias towards those who follow the norms, not a judgement based on reality. If anything, then people who are alone are less of a threat since they lack the support to do bad things or cov…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/03/22 09:41 AM
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I completely agree, I even upvoted your post. Just pointed out the one thing I thought would make sense to add.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/03/22 11:11 AM
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Agreed. Enough people will doubt it or side with the other side. But thankfully there are also enough people who understand, somewhat.
/r/MensRights26/03/22 10:56 AM
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The only two days I was there also quoting a stat and just giving another POV with no hate involved at all, even understanding their side, I mostly got downvoted. Never lost so much "karma" in one go haha.
/r/MensRights26/03/22 10:46 AM
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Words don't warrant physical violence.
/r/MensRights26/03/22 10:44 AM
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She assaulted him physically. Slapping is not acceptable. The fact people ignore physical violence from women certainly is a problem to be pointed out.
/r/MensRights26/03/22 10:42 AM
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You do realize that many women actually like age gaps. The issue is not the age gap (unless it's really under the age of consent), the issue is forced marriage, which doesn't only affect women btw. Arranged marriages usually is decided for both parties without their consent. What you mean with "older men" are not older men, but rich people. This logic leads to subtle, but visible agism, that needs to be addressed.
/r/MensRights26/03/22 10:34 AM
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but only people they can rely on the police to save their ass I have heard that too often by people who use violence to get their way. Often they actually use every tactic to their advantage. Thinking you are more in the right because of physical strength is also toxic.
/r/MensRights26/03/22 10:15 AM
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Agreed. But that is true no matter how society is.
/r/MensRights26/03/22 10:10 AM
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I understand the sentiment, but this can't be the solution. It also hurts men who need help, and it absolutely destroys society, which is built upon at least caring to some extent for each other. We need other solutions.
/r/MensRights26/03/22 10:09 AM
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True. Though the toxic and manipulative part is that they lie about what they are doing acting like vitcims, while winning in power.
/r/MensRights26/03/22 10:06 AM
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It doesn't stop there though. Just think of quotas in jobs, wars, marriage, homelessness, suicide etc. People focus way too much on their age, and forget that people remain people, no matter what age groups they are in, and keep facing challenges.
/r/MensRights26/03/22 09:54 AM
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Even anger is not safe, it only is if it serves the goals of other people. Anger about being treated unfairly, is one of the biggest factors people use to invalidate.
/r/MensRights26/03/22 09:47 AM
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And you know what, it worked. I now hate myself for all the things that make me feel good because it feels as if that all caused her to cheat on me and leave me. People invalidating you in what makes you feel good is so insideous and common, especially when it comes from people who opinion matter to you, and who you want to see you as a good person.
/r/MensRights26/03/22 09:45 AM
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Still not a very well coined term, because it can be easily misunderstood as masculinity being the problem. "Toxic views on masculinity" is maybe a little long, but a lot better as the shorter version misses the major point.
/r/MensRights26/03/22 09:42 AM
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Yeah I always objected that term and I wish people wouldn't use it at least in forums like this. "toxic attitude towards masculinity" is exactly right, because it comes from how people view how masculine men should be.
/r/MensRights26/03/22 09:40 AM
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16 or even 14 is legal in many places, also in the US. So no, a common belief, but it varies depending on where you live.
/r/MensRights26/03/22 09:35 AM
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I feel mixed about this, because I have been the target of violence by men and women. I do think you need to put up boundaries, but yes, also care for the root cause. But too often the "cause" is used as an excuse, when it was really just a way to exert power over somebody. For example there is a big difference if you chose to do actual self-defense (as in defend against a physical attack) or if you come up to somebody to settle an argument and beat them (as you also see in many movies). The lat…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/03/22 09:09 AM
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"well, I don't care, I don't write those shows" To a point this is relatable, since I also don't identify with what some men/people do to women. There is no reason to feel guilty, which is true. But people confuse that with no reason to care. If everyone just cares about their emotions, and what impacts actions have, we all become selfish. Obviously you also have to prioritize what matters most, and what is too much to get distracted by. Edit: I don't disagree with the post I replied to, see bel…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/03/22 09:05 AM
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I find the posted picture focuses too much on vilifing and too little on understanding and remanining rational. Yes no matter who (man or woman) gets assualted, they should be protected by appropriate means, and calling police as others have pointed out when it's really obvious someone is in trouble matters. Women should do that, same as men, people in general. What is upsetting about this is how dramatic she becomes and how she feels unsafe and tries to pressurize him into acting as her protect…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/03/22 08:54 AM
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Which is a perfect way to remain immune against any form of objection. I never understood how a theory (men are supposedly universally priviledged) that is so absolutist, could withstand for so long. It's really just misandry.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/03/22 10:36 PM
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There is Thatcher and Merkel as example of female leaders of countries who had a great impact. Even in the US, Rice, the national security adviser of Bush, was very pro war. Historically, quite a few Queens have led wars as well. I am not quite sure, where this factual incorrect idea comes from that women had no influence on war, or no influential positions.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/03/22 10:31 PM
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I think it is more of an interesting perspective that is usually ignored or that society pretends it doesn't exist. The other POVs are voiced frequently, so need less highlighting.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/03/22 10:00 PM
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It's no different than how conservatives treat poor people Very well said. I think it's quite troubling for someone who claims to be social to not care about what people are missing for their wellbeing, and how a society might affect it or how it could improve it. There is this weird mindset that confuses "everyone for him/herself" with individualism, while true individualism means you care for different needs and challenges, and is quite social, yet liberal.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/03/22 09:56 PM
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It's a very common reaction: it always has to be brought back into a context of what it means for the general public, not simply a focus on a specific person, that should be helped in the vein of altruism. It's as if it's impossible to offer help, if it hasn't an effect for a larger group, making it even more obvious that individuals don't matter as much. Only the effects they have. People notice that, and will feel less valueable, even if it isn't always conscious.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/03/22 09:50 PM
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I noticed that as well. When the "incredible", "not forseeable" happens, most of the discourse focuses on how that person was excluded and "radicalized" itself, instead of looking at the bullying and the harm it creates. I don't think this is specially about people who are not in romantic relationships, but more generally people who get excluded socially, in harsh and intentional ways. All the "normal" people are so shocked, as if they were completely void of emotions and unable to predict how a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/03/22 09:47 PM
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Men can also be quite disappointing and hurtful in their reactions. It's often a difficult balance between wanting to help, independance, and feeling mixed with sharing emotions. It also seems you can share different aspects of emotions with different genders.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/03/22 08:01 PM
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I think this captures the problem the best. Men being soft is seen as attractive because they can be empathic, supportive, loving and nurturing. Which in a way is being strong again, not weak and needing help. Yet, to a point women are endeared by vulnerability in kids or pets. But there again, and I think this is true for both genders, symbolic actions are focused on more than real investment into fixing the problem. It feels good to symbolically show you care, while actually fixing problems is…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/03/22 07:51 PM
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It's not just teens or men in their 20s. A lot of men are part of those movements, because they are affected in various ways.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/03/22 07:44 PM
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They just wanted me to swallow the pill, accept the hand I'm dealt, and resume the grindset rat race while knowing that no woman could ever truly love me. That's also what I dislike about tradcons or Jordan Petterson. He is correct in some of his views, but he still wants to convince you of his traditional and authoritarian/structured society beliefs, instead of leaving you open to find better choices that work for you. He appears to be open at first, but tries to nudge you in his direction, whe…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/03/22 07:38 PM
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It is a hard job, depending on where you work. Maybe you mean to say it's not as physically hard as a blue collar job.
/r/MensRights22/03/22 07:06 PM
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This comes from a feminist, but maybe this can console you to a point: "Warum Gendersprache scheitern wird" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZaBzeVbLnQ
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/03/22 06:27 PM
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I empowered myself and made the best friends and relationships of my life. I have confidence and respect that I never had before, and I thank my good friends now for empowering me to not stop. Can you elaborate on that part and where you found them? Given it was such a struggle before, what changed that you met other people who were better for you?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/03/22 06:22 PM
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I assume the poster above you was referring to how especially in "Ivy" league colleges, students usually come from a rich family.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/03/22 06:17 PM
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That's why I oppose to the term "leftist" and "socialism" used in right wing circles when complaining about "progressive" people. They are neither progressive nor left-wing to me.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/03/22 06:15 PM
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I dislike the framing as mutiliation. It's insulting to all men that were circumcized. Giving choice is absolutely right, the wording however is often so that it makes men who have been circumcized appear as incomplete.
/r/EverydayMisandry22/03/22 05:53 PM
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There is a lot of shaming about suicide, where people focus on "what it does to your loved ones" instead of focusing on helping those who have suicidal thoughts. I suppose saying one gender does it worse than the other, can redirect some of the shame people are suffering from. In either case, I don't think people with such thoughts should think of what it does to other people primarily. When in this state you need to figure out what helps you see life in a positive light again, first.
/r/EverydayMisandry22/03/22 05:37 PM
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People do use others for emotional support, or expect you to show emotional support eventhough you are not that close to them or they won't give you the same support. I suppose what needs to be done is getting out of the trap to provide whatever worked for you in the past in attracting people, if what you gave made you exhausted or miserable in the long run. There is this wrong mindset that you just need to keep pushing and trying. And the more exausted you become, the easier it is to fall in th…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/03/22 05:16 PM
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Interestingly, when talking about such documentaries, cruelty against the male part of the species is often shown with a weird voyeuristic tendency, such as the "black widow" eating her male after coppulation. The tendency of such "documentaries" to show sadistic enjoyment regarding hunting and killing vs. just neutrally documenting or distancing themselves from it, is also quite disturbing.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/03/22 04:59 PM
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Any government that needs to force its people to defend their country does not deserve to exist. It's very, very simple ethically: any country worth preserving to its people will be fought for by its people, conscription is a violation of the very purpose of society.I don't not exist for my society. Left wing is a lot about individualism, why would that be surprising?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/03/22 04:53 PM
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Thanks for mentioning that. Like bullying, this indeed has serious consequences, also for physical health. People trying to downplay that part (though, I don't think the poster above you did that, but a lot of people do) makes it worse and a lot harder to heal from hardships than it would be possible, if you knew you were seen and understood.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/03/22 04:49 PM
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I would even extend this to non "mediocre" men (almost everyone will have insecurities, even if they may be truly skilled in a domain), and I think framing others as mediocre is a problem in itself. Confidence is a very necessary trait, also if you want to go beyond where you are right now, and "should" not be confident. I know it wasn't your main point, but rating and hierarchiecal thinking is likely the root cause why confidence is disliked, it's "you vs. me".
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/03/22 04:27 PM
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This mindset should not be excused, because it causes a lot of stress among many men and boys, that are not that confident, and were bullied or stalked themselves. Understandable behavior does not make it acceptable behavior. Blowing things out of proportion is certainly a problem that should not be ignored. It has consequences.
/r/MensRights22/03/22 03:35 PM
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I think many confuse girls acting like fans and "crushing" on you, or being "cute" together as love. Real love works differently, though, and is very respectful and wants the loved one to grow and do what's best for them, is very supportive and encouraging. So that may be one reason this is simplified to "respect".
/r/MensRights22/03/22 03:27 PM
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I never understood the pleasure people get from making others feel bad about their partners (potential or real) cheating. It's so widespread on social media, and I am sure a reason for a lot of unnecessary pain.
/r/MensRights22/03/22 02:40 PM
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They do influence many people, though, also in everyday discourse and everyday decisions, even if just by following what they have heard often enough, creating biases against other groups.
/r/MensRights22/03/22 02:35 PM
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That explains why I have noticed Brazilians changing.
/r/MensRights22/03/22 02:32 PM
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Actually, it's the perfect time, since people are forced to fight in a war that might lead to their death or injury. Looking away doesn't make the problem disappear for them.
/r/MensRights22/03/22 02:07 PM
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"Simply" become a millionaire.
/r/seduction08/03/22 11:43 PM
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You are absolutely right about your observations. What always bothers me about status as a reason for people being into you, is that it feels like they are not into *you*. If people are just into you as long as you are fun and entertaining, you slowly start to adapt to what people want and like, and feel like you can never be weak or different. And in a way, it's kind of offputting how people are into shallow things such as social proof. On the other hand it's hot when you get attention for "not…
/r/seduction08/03/22 11:37 PM
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Good you did. Many guys would wish to be approached, and even if he might not have reacted how you wanted, it makes people feel better about themselves, and it's a very human thing to do.
/r/seduction08/03/22 10:09 PM
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That's your natural impulse, and it's fine. Yet the other side wants to enjoy the interaction as well, and not be treated as a product you chose (even if some have a kink for objectification, they still usually don't like to be approached this way, immediately, but more as a play, later on). Think of what that other person could be excited about, and try to read her environment, clothing, attitude, and what she says to find topics she might be interested in. Some people love to be asked question…
/r/seduction08/03/22 09:59 PM
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Yes, because wouldn’t it be weird if someone asked you your number right away without even knowing who they are, or what they want? I find a lot of dating advice should be framed like this, instead of making the other gender look like an alien breed nobody can understand.
/r/seduction08/03/22 09:51 PM
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It actually feels great to be nice to strangers, and being genuine and caring. Also you might get to know people you'd never talk to otherwise. I don't think there is anything wrong about it. Maybe your friend was just afraid of the unknown, or not as involved?
/r/seduction08/03/22 09:29 PM
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In Europe at least, I never had issues asking complete strangers questions, women included. Asking for directions or similar simple help is not that uncommon, and most react quite well.
/r/seduction08/03/22 09:16 PM
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So maybe the better wording would be: dare to be the person you really want to be.
/r/seduction08/03/22 08:55 PM
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This mindset is why women have that inflated sense of ego. That and social media, where they get an endless supply of likes and worshiping comments. Instead, you need to raise your requirements such that you think you will be satisfied long-term. Being less superficial might be a good advice, though. Only going for looks almost assuredly leads to a disaster.
/r/seduction26/02/22 03:41 PM
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And then? You want to keep her high maintenance ass entertained and become a clown for her? Because that's how they treat men in general. If she has that mindset, even if you are different, you will only be a fantasy for a while, until she gets bored, and experienced that, too. Then move on to the next thrill.
/r/seduction26/02/22 03:38 PM
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Maybe that's a good addition. Only try with those girls who also treat people well that can do nothing for them. If they are overly interested, you might not get to see that side. Winning them over is less likely to end up badly, since they will let you off gently. Should be honest though, not the nice lies type.
/r/seduction26/02/22 03:32 PM
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Yep. If you constantly have to play a role or be her fantasy, then she isn't really into you. The right reaction is not trying to win her back, unless there are big misunderstandings, but to let her go, if she starts to be difficult regularly.
/r/seduction26/02/22 03:29 PM
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You do know that women play games with men, too? Humans can be manipulated in all kinds of ways, politics, marketing, society in general are "good" examples of that. And it works, it's just toxic as hell. That's why you want to avoid it, not because it doesn't work.
/r/seduction26/02/22 03:25 PM
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Absolutely agree. "Winning" them over will be a permanent thing, and just lead to frustration and bitterness eventually. It also means they get a lot of attention already, and will always compare you, and seek the one that entertains them the most, currently.
/r/seduction26/02/22 03:20 PM
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Another important point regarding long term relationships: Know how she behaves when you are on her bad side. Watch how she treats other people. So if she is already difficult while flirting, chances are this wont be the only time she will give you this treatment. Even if you were "successful".
/r/seduction26/02/22 03:16 PM
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Partially. But it's also a big business, with all the caveats. Quite a few of the most famous ones have had severe depression despite the "success". Reading what they said could be summarized as a grandiose feeling of power and achievement mixed with a realization that the real attraction was for the role and character they portrayed and not themselves.
/r/seduction26/02/22 03:05 PM
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Yep, exactly this. It feels like work and even if you "score" it feels more like you satisfied her than satisfied yourself (or both of you). A shared lasting good memory, even if it is a one-night stand, matters. Often enough I have gotten repeated attention from those I put in a lot of work, but it also raises expectations, and feels like you are giving out a free service more than having actual fun. It's also attracting thrill seekers, who, more often than not, turn out to have a date that the…
/r/seduction26/02/22 02:59 PM
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Loved this motivational text that goes beyond dating really (not sure the loser part at the end was necessary, but the rest was great).
/r/seduction07/01/22 08:52 AM
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Great advice actually. Sounds much more natural and not desperate, and like you could enjoy yourself and just see what happens. Going out is not only about picking up girls, but having a good time in general.
/r/seduction07/01/22 08:48 AM
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