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CMVrathyAro/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/16 06:56 AM
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Seems more like a reaction to dating apps taking over dating. On dating apps all you have is looks for someone to react to. People spend less face time with each other and asking people out is no longer normalized. In that way I can feel for the blackpillers.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 11:52 PM
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That might be true for you, but I remember trp's sidebar. It was a prescription that I would summarize as "enjoy the decline" which includes getting fit, getting game, and ultimately spinning plates.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 03:44 PM
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I do think you can think through things to get a direction on what actions to take. Its true that that doesn't happen here, but it could.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 11:24 PM
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There are no academics in the red pill studying it just for the sake of curiosity. They clearly intend some action from people who adhere to their beliefs.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 10:12 PM
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An ideology that doesn't tend to a productive practice is useless. Its just cope and mental masturbation at that point. We could do so much better than the red pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 07:43 PM
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Its the unconscious standards that get you. I meet all my conscious standards, but I realise I'm usually attracted to cool/interesting people and I am not that.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 06:16 PM
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Romance is a social construct. If you don't have the social concept etched into your brain you're just not going to get it. The mistake others are making is treating social reality as biological reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/26 06:45 PM
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If you aren't incredibly high status then you will still need to spend significant resources to have sex with a woman. It only makes sense to spend those limited resources on women with higher odds of healthy children. This goes doubly for children the man will invest into. If you're high status you have options and of course would pick women with better odds of healthy children.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 10:35 PM
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Exactly! And precisely because of that, there needs to be a consensus (and there always is) on the meaning of each symbol and what it represents and also rules and limitations on how to use them to able to form a language. There is no consensus. Words change meaning often. Language isn't static. If you go somewhere else the same words will have different meanings, particularly different connotations. "Sick cunt" lands differently in the US vs AU. And yet, it's the most perfect way to communicate…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 01:34 PM
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For some reason people don't understand that the process by which they become attracted is different than how the opposite gender does. Men can can easily become attracted by just the features and qualities they see. This can happen with women too but its far more rare, instead they aren't attracted to men broadly but can become attracted to one if there's a "spark". This is why dating apps are so imbalanced (no opportunity for spark), why you hear "he's not usually my type but I just fell for h…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 11:22 AM
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It sounds… narcissistic when you put it that way. There's no need to pathologize normal women's behavior. Men and women are different and that's ok.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 11:01 AM
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Men just are attracted to a broad range of women and that's okay. It doesn't mean that they can't control themselves and must try to pursue every single woman they find attractive. If you and your male partner go to a party with ~50 people he will likely find more of the women their attractive than you find men. It doesn't mean he's suddenly compelled to cheat.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 10:59 AM
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Language is a great way for us the communicate by using sounds as symbols to represent some object or concept. Since they are symbols they are not a perfect representation of the object or concept the speaker intends for them them to represent. And that's not even factoring in how different regions use the same language. So since language is inherently imperfect way to communicate we sometimes have to use even more words to clarify (this happen all the time). This is fine, because outside of eng…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 10:55 AM
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Are you saying you don't believe the stats that fewer people are dating, getting married, and having sex? Or are you saying thats not a crisis?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/26 01:33 AM
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Thanks for the additional context. Maybe the blue collar world isn't having the same mating/dating crisis? I certainly don't find that all my peers are married, almost none of them are. We're mid 30s, middle class, and white collar.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 09:32 PM
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Most of the guys I work with are all of the above and they are married. What are the demographics? Age and cultural background most importantly. And is this in the US or western europe?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 11:20 PM
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So your understanding is that men think they will literally die with a few weeks without sex yet many of them do go a few weeks without and live. How do you square that?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 08:34 PM
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You're right that is obvious, so maybe you should try to figure what their point really is. When people say "humans need connection" they aren't saying you will die in 72 hours if you don't see another person like you would with water. I imagine men are saying that they feel a strong visceral urge that when not satisfied makes them feel like they aren't alive. A man who agrees with this claim can elaborate better what it feels like to them but lets at least try to understand each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 07:53 PM
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Doesn't the data show that the average person's n count is low? I'd bet the median is even lower.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 11:59 PM
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Women are actively attracted to height. So when a guy is 6ft that isn't neutral, that is by itself hot. Now if a guy is 5' 4" that is going to be a turn off for sure. Between actively attractive and actively a turn off there is a whole world of neutral. Dating app filters make it seem like 6ft is more of a requirement than it is and that's just because women have too many options so filtering even by stupid shit just makes sense. I can concede that its become an american culture meme to want 6ft…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 10:00 PM
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I try to avoid the world of "should" and work with the world of "is".
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 09:54 PM
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Clubs are rough. Work is a dangerous game but depends on your industry. Do you frequent the same bars? Do people know you there? Do you have a good time there? Also side note: no way you're telling me you can do a round of the fishtown bars, be 6'4" and not find a single girl. I wish I was still there so I could see for myself lmao. Maybe you're standards are just high?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 09:53 PM
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I was talking about the average, it may not apply to you. I totally agree that constant rejection is not sustainable for most people. As opposed to PUA style cold approach I would suggest just being in places you enjoy where a lot of women are and not being afraid to flirt and escalate (when it feels mutual). For me that's bars and social dancing. I can't claim a crazy amount of lays like PUAs can but I can say I was always having a good time when I was out and that I happened to meet women occa…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 09:50 PM
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Why not ignore the discourse and just sort out the remainder? The core of my question, is where does the desire to argue with and dunk on feminists come from?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 09:35 PM
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Then why are you calling women out for not approaching. Whether its bioligical or socialized men are in a far better position to do it. It also is in our favor that it works that way. We can choose the interaction, when it happens, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 07:07 PM
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To approach well you need to be pretty resilient to rejection and emotion in general. You have to come with some confidence. Do you really think women are better or equally suited for that?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 04:09 PM
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80% of men can't be short by definition
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 04:04 PM
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This is what Ive been saying. As a straight man, I don't see the average man maximizing their attractiveness at all. Meanwhile women won't leave their house without looking at least decent. Men need to learn how to talk to women in person and present themselves decently. Unfortunately all the forces of technology are pushing away from that so that may never happen again.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 04:03 PM
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I had my worst dating app experiences in Philly (this is like 2017-2020). I got stood up multiple times. Only met up with one person off tinder (although that was great). As far as dating in person, that was the best I ever did. I have no game, I'm not tall, I have decent but not amazing looks, and barely any style. Still philly dating was great for me. I'm also black and "talk white". Philly convinced me to never use an app again. I assure you in person is the move, but you have to understand w…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 03:55 PM
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Hm, isn't personality and behavior also diverse? Why could we do it for that?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 06:47 PM
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There are plenty of women that still believe in traditional values which don't emphasize pure attraction. I think if the evidence was clear you could swing people back in that direction (assuming thats what the evidence says). With no evidence, I'd bet it comes down to values match (i.e. someone who cares about ncount shouldn't date a high ncount person) and thus men who can conform to modern women's values (help around the house) or women who conform to men's (low ncount) will do better.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 02:23 PM
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Factor analysis to find what distinct characteristics predict finding a satisfying longterm relationship. For example if n-count isn't on the list we can stop arguing about it. If it is on the list we can advise young people about the risks of promiscuity.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 04:04 AM
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Are there any good podcasts on the dating market? Not like the whatever podcast, something a little more rigorous and thoughtful.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/26 03:52 AM
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Saw this and thought of you https://x.com/datingbyblaine/status/2006374205281984681
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 08:01 PM
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The book is still a decent primer. She tries too hard to dumb it down for a broader audience. Her actual academic research is good. I also want to acknowledge that I did not explain my point well. The theory constructed emotions is not intuitive and I had to read and listen to more content after the book to feel I kinda got it. I still have many questions. With all that said OP called jealousy a core human emotion. Implying every human experiences jealousy, because its encoded into us in the sam…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 11:27 PM
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All emotions have affect. It is one of the key ingredients to make an emotion. Affect alone is not sufficient though. Being tired is an affect and can be measured in the body, you cant by contrast measure anger or jealousy. For evidence I already gave you the book and the foremost researcher on the subject. Put her name in google scholar.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 08:09 PM
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Because there is no affect for jealousy. Its not that granular. Affect is mainly measured by valence and arousal (there are other dimensions but these are the most well studied).
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 08:08 AM
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Humans have a tendency to project our socially constructed emotions onto animals. They have do feel but its not quite the complexity of what human emotion is. You can look into the theory of constructed emotion or you can read How Emotions Are Made by Lisa Feldman Barrett for a summary of the idea (the book doesn't defend the theory well imo, so google scholar is the better bet if you have the patience for that). Do you believe that there is anything that isn't a social construct? I think realit…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 10:08 PM
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That sounds believable. Aside from being a sex worker she is also just a strange person. I can imagine many reasons she can't lock down partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 03:31 AM
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Source? I was pretty sure she has multiple long term partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 03:02 AM
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natural, core human emotion There's no such thing. Emotions are socially constructed. To that point no jealousy is objectively right or wrong in its own right. Its just what is socially acceptable. The window of what is socially acceptable has moved, but your feelings aren't going to shift effortlessly with the times or your partner. You may be raised differently than your partner or be genuinely more insecure. That's fine. Its not fine to react to that jealousy by harming your partner's wellbei…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/25 12:48 AM
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Like give you her ig? Idk what to tell you I have at least 2 friends that come to mind that dated people that cold approached them. One told me she met a guy at a donut shop. One told me she went on a date with a guy that approached her at whole foods (which she acknowledges was ridiculous). I dated someone I met at a bar this year and she told me she dated someone she met a festival. What is strange about any of that?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/25 04:55 AM
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I'm surprised this is so surprising. Being approached (non-creepily) means you get at least some validation and potentially a date without having to go through the apps.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/25 05:33 PM
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Hm, I've had women tell me they miss cold approaches. I also know plenty of anxious women would hate them. I wonder what the ratio is. I'm talking about sane approaches where the man takes no for an answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/25 11:56 PM
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Is that you, jordan peterson?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/25 10:43 PM
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I genuinely have no idea what your thesis is. You're the first pro app person I've met. Most everyone I talk to looks at apps as a necessary evil and concede they use it for convenience not because they think its optimal. I get the sense that if I try to respond to you point by point we won't get anywhere so maybe you can tell me more practically and less theoretically why you like the apps. Do you/have you used them for short term or long term relationships? Have you personally experienced repe…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 04:42 AM
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Those are the obvious reasons people use online dating apps and they are plausible advantages, but as we can clearly see they do not actually lead to more successful dating. If you disagree with this point, I'd be surprised but again I'm willing to hear you out. Now lets address the points and see why the theory doesn't match the reality cold approaching a woman leaves you open to being guilty of bothering her True, but who cares? I don't think fearing your existence is a bother to women is a go…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 09:51 AM
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When have you seen a unique take from anyone ever of ppd?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/25 02:10 PM
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Yeah.. what's your point?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/25 12:43 AM
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I have tried both and its not close. Irl seems way better, but I'd like to hear why you feel otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/25 12:43 AM
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be me think I'm a 7 because I lift I'm shook rn, ngl
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/25 10:43 PM
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Hard to know that if you haven't done both. There's also the option of doing neither and meeting people in real life. It solves the problem of too many and too few matches.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/25 06:37 PM
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I guess we're at an impasse. I just don't experience the things you're talking about. No one told me to be nice to get girls. I have many, many examples of women telling me they value looks and personality traits that are morally neutral. I suspect we just have different demographics or just have different ability to read between the lines. Actually the last point might explain everything. If someone struggles to read between the lines and reconcile actions versus presentation then having a clea…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 04:03 PM
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Like I said, assholes get laid if they have the looks. I'm not so convinced this problem is as rampant as everyone here makes it out to be. I'm open to being wrong though if there's data. Yes, women created these conditions. I imagine you feel the "conditions" were better before. Why did women all suddenly decide to shift their decisions? Could you give me a more concrete example of the things you don't like about the dating market. I'm not saying I think its great, but I want to make sure we're…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 03:14 PM
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it's just rare to hear one break from the patterned response of "personality is more important than looks". Meanwhile my ex would literally thirst over hot guys on tv. Idk, do you live outside of a major city? I have only lived in big US cities both east and west coast. Also I do think personality is very important. Hard to say "more important" as both are powerful drivers. I think the confusion is they mean attractive personality not a good personality. Women (particularly when younger) don't n…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 03:33 AM
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how many times have we heard the same thing? Honestly this doesn't happen to me, which is where I must concede that we are probably running in different circles. Women have been very honest with me about what they want and its never been either the red pill meme of chad chasing or what you just described. It usually some mix. I have to wonder if there is a way men here communicate with their female friends such that they aren't comfortable sharing their whole perspective. Or maybe you're talking…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 08:21 PM
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My issue isn't the phrasing or the predatory bit, it's that I think the logic is fundamentally stupid. If you can fucking talk to fish you should be talking to fish, and any fisherman would use this ability if they were blessed with it. Everyone talks to their patients to diagnose them. You should absolutely question potential customers to see if what you want to build is aligned with what they actually will buy. Etc. This adage just comes from guys taking what one or a few women said as gospel …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 05:46 PM
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Weird, I was thinking of making this exact thread today. I would have said: My friend is a veritable hoe. She likes to sleep with lots of men. She also moderates a tea-like group. In her experience the good looking guys are not the problem. They are upfront about what they want (just to fuck) and the other person declines, they move on, because they have an abundance of options. It goes back to the adage that chad is blue pill, he has no reason not to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 09:34 AM
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I suspect if they were put on testosterone they would at least whine more or more likely take action.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/25 03:05 PM
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I think it's probably both. If you give someone testosterone they're going to seek more sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/25 05:43 PM
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This seems easy to test, any data to prove this point?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 09:15 PM
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Here's my best possible reading of why rpers do this: they feel that men have to shoulder a lot of responsibility and thus receive a lot of blame. So they feel they are overly accountable but then when women don't meet their standards and expectations they don't see the same level of blame. So they try to shift the responsibility and blame to women by holding them accountable to relieve themself of their perceived burden.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/25 03:15 PM
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o.o my post above just said "regardless of gender" so yeah I would say its the same for attractive women. My initial point was that men became less attractive, not sure how that became shaming women since its pretty explicitly shaming men lol. Just because its a debate forum doesn't mean every response is an argument :P
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/25 05:25 AM
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I think power corrupts regardless of gender and so if men get power via being attractive they will abuse it just like if any human got uncheck power they would abuse it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/25 07:38 PM
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This anecdotal but it does seem that some women don't face these struggles in dating, while others always have these issues. It makes me think that there's a lost art to successfully dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 05:59 PM
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Its my hot take that the issue has always been that men became less attractive and so the dwindling number of attractive men have the freedom to treat women however they want. I also think women got less attractive but men just adjust their standards. I'll also say that trp does encourage men to be more attractive, they just aren't doing it to repair the dating market.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 05:54 PM
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I swear I have seen this exist post word for word.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/25 01:20 AM
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You're making it a gender thing, but its actually a social anxiety thing. Extroverted, out going women can smoothly handle rejecting a sane dude and even chat with him beyond that. If you have crippling social anxiety and are just working up the nerve to order takeout from the cashier, someone coming up to you forcing you to explicitly say no plus the fear of becoming one of the girls in your true crime podcast make this an overwhelming experience. Personally I don't think we should cater to the…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 03:05 PM
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Former fat person resentment is real. Also principle is real.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/24 03:30 PM
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Sounds like you're behaving like a normal, well adjusted person which is rare to see around here.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/24 05:23 AM
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I find this question interesting because I've been stuck on a question in regards to doing and being. Men lean towards doing as a way to improve their being (i.e. workout to become more confident). Women lean towards being to improve their doing (i.e. feel confident, dress more boldly and expect more). Now, your point seems asinine to me, because I go to the gym 4 times a week and consistently see more women; same is true for my hobbies, but that aside there's the sense that men do and women jus…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/24 11:29 PM
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I know you're memeing but people who are charismatic often didn't "work" on their personality, they just are that way. Charm, like height and facial structure, is based off of your genetics and upbringing. You can theoretically change it, but it is not that simple.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/22 07:35 PM
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I'm sure you're citing some stat, but depends on what you mean by fail. I mean literally can't get the interest of one girl. I know 2 ppl like that. If fail means has an ex and gets lucky once in a blue moon then i know more people like that and they generally have high standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/22 07:19 PM
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Its hard to know what the average is but guys who struggle with women would be ecstatic, but guys who don't wouldn't care. I'd say most guys I know have high standards on who they would ltr. The exception is dudes who absolutely fail at dating and they lowered their standards out of despair.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/22 07:08 PM
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Your cohort may be above average then. I noticed at my new job (high income) everyone is dating or married. At my old job (low income) everyone was single and generally miserable. I know plenty of guys who can date and some who can't. Its not as simple as lacking social skills. Honestly I don't fully understand it myself, but I can see its not easy.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/22 05:06 PM
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Thats the bottom 10%. Actually average men don't have it that hard or that easy.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/22 04:59 PM
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Reddit is going to strongly select for introverted/socially anxious women that don't like to be approached even in the most innocent way. That opinion matters, but its not representative.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/22 12:26 AM
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I'm not reading it that way. My understanding is dudes wanted to a fuck an angel and the main character was like nah, but couldn't physically stop them so he gave his concubine instead. The bad guys rape and murder her. Then he sends a very strong message about what happens by cutting her into pieces. This was not a "thou shalt abuse your wife situation", it was just a shitty situation in general. Although the downside is that they're implying the issue is that dudes being gay in the first place…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/22 08:58 PM
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Currently I buy the narrative that "man bad and woman oppressed", but I'm open to being proven wrong. Can you point me to some evidence to the countrary?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/22 08:44 PM
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One thing aggressive men have over the opposite is they aggressively talk to women. All other things being equal they would get laid more just from that fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/22 01:16 PM
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Vast majority of guys cannot cold approach at the rate or with the skill required to regularly get dates.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/22 01:13 PM
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This is the opinion op is clearly trying to counter.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/21 08:29 PM
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It is by far more optimal for an individual to focus on how to fix their own singleness via self improvement than to worry about general dating trends. That is good personal advice. The problem is if everyone takes that perspective we never notice when things get worse for all of us for no advantage to any of us. It seems you're of the opinion that dating isn't any easier or harder, but my understanding is the data shows that we have far more single people than in the past. Do you have data to t…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/21 08:25 PM
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I think a problem statement is a pretty essential first step to a problem solution.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/21 01:16 AM
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At what point are you allowed to complain? Just looking at statistics objectively is enough to cause concern.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/21 12:56 AM
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What's wrong with seeking?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/21 12:55 AM
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I get that. In any case, you gotta do what feels right to you. In case you ever feel like you want more from life, know that there is a way to achieve that and that it isn't hopeless.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/21 01:19 PM
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deep sense of tiredness, boredom, and apathy That sounds like depression, but if you don't like that label then fuck it. The diagnosis isn't important. If you feel mostly done with life anyway what is the risk and what is the cost of trying to get a little more out of it? Surely you can imagine a life that is a little more fulfilling then "waiting for the credits to roll"??
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/21 11:12 PM
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My b, I wasn't talking about women. I was talking about addressing trauma. If you already feel like you've lived long enough I get the sense you could stand to improve your quality of life.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/21 05:37 PM
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This may be coping but I feel like I've heard several older women say that they can't date in their age bracket because all those guys date younger. Haven't seen it personally but its what they say.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/21 06:14 AM
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My friend once said it's just because the sex is better.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/21 06:37 PM
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What's the cost?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/21 03:22 PM
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That makes sense. I wouldn't say you should address your trauma to find a girl. I think any time spent dealing with trauma is going to be worth it because it will have many benefits. I remember reading about a 90 year old guy who was well off and had a family but never felt much emotion due to a cold upbringing. In his advanced age he worked on it and managed to live the rest of his life with a deeper bond with his wife and kids and greater enjoyment. Point being, its never too late and its usua…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/21 04:31 AM
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Making friends solo is super easy in my experience. People go to bars talk people.
/r/seduction20/09/21 10:45 PM
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Oh I don't doubt that its true on average, I just meant that there are some guys who genuinely prefer women who aren't early 20s. I wish they had plotted out the distribution of age preferences so I could find out how skewed that preference really is.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/21 08:51 PM
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All the guys I see online who say they don't like younger women (like early 20s) say that their faces look too young. I've seen it said many times, including in this thread. Sounds like a genuine preference to me. You don't need to have that preference, but you can't just say it doesn't exist because it doesn't fit your narrative.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/21 06:15 PM
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I guess I'm just more inclined to believe people when they have no incentive to lie. They all also tell their lie exactly the same way, maybe they're having meetings together to get their story straight.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/21 05:58 PM
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Maybe? What does that to do with what I said? edit: Oh, I think I see the misunderstanding. I meant men value personality in a partner specfically.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/21 04:50 PM
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No. Height is valued in women and so they all on average value height. Their height plays no part. Some men prefer tinier women and for the rest its neutral so being smaller can actually be an advantage for women. So your assumption that short girls would want shorts guys is actually the opposite of reality. Short girls can more easily get the higher value tall guys. So what do you do? Go for the completely unintuitive option. Go for tall girls. Men prefer to be taller than their SOs so tall gir…
/r/seduction20/09/21 04:41 PM
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Who are these "plenty of people?" Usually other introverted girls. Its not 100%, but often introverts can find extroverts too much to handle and prefer to be with someone who is similarly low key. Sometimes extroverted people like having someone more stable/grounded to rely on. Two extroverts can be fun, but potentially exhausting. Source: am introvert, girls seem to like me sometimes I don't know what you mean when you say it's "a recent thing that you can get away with." How much could you rea…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/21 04:17 PM
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I don't think its an attractiveness issue. Plenty of people prefer introverts. The issue is that introverts in our culture don't have an easy way to demonstrate their qualities to women. I have a friend (who isn't even an introvert) whose hobby is video games and whose work is in tech. That means he is always in male dominated spaces and for this reason has never had a girlfriend despite being financially successful and good, charismatic dude. I think its a relatively recent thing that you can g…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/21 03:16 PM
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Have you considered the possibility that the deep trauma that you definitely have has affected your ability have a good relationship with a woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/21 02:39 PM
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Few men actually care about a woman's traits beyound her physical appearance or procreative characteristics. Literally go ask real men (not on the internet) this question. If they are over 25 they are going to tell you that they value a woman's personality highly. It's not virtue signaling. Any sane man who has any experience with women is not going to want to spend significant time around someone they hate/disrespect.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/21 02:34 PM
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No amount of shaming attempts is going to change that basic fact. I disagree with this. There are plenty of guys who will say aren't into younger women and they seem honest when they say it. I suspect this is due to social conditioning or shaming as you say. I think you are underestimating how malleable human behavior can be.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/21 02:31 PM
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To make more obvious: chubby 20 year old > super hot 60 year old. This one I think is really going to come down to preference. You say chubby, but if we're talking about a 20 year old who just isn't attractive compared to a 60 year old who looks as good as she could I'm take the 60 year old every time. Now I like older women so you could say I'm biased, but I don't think that's a particularly unusual preference.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/21 02:27 PM
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I find this funny because I just went out with my female friend and we basically just barhopped to places her guy friends work at to flirt with each one until one of them got the idea and hooked up with her lmao. Not saying that's the usual case just a random anecdote.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 11:40 PM
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Its not about asking someone to do something. It's just acclimating to your environment. If you are a dude that's into women, you should probably slow down so they can catch up for your own benefit. Similarly if you're a woman into a dude you should express enough interest to keep them engaged if you foresee potential, but understand you aren't there yet. To me that's more of an education/knowledge issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 10:28 PM
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That's actually so interesting if the pickiness just comes from being the one approached. Its actually logical that if someone is offering you something you feel empowered to choose. Its reminds me of r/relationships posts where the guy takes forever to express interest, but when he does she says she thought he was out of her league. If he had expressed interest from day one, she could never have gotten that sense of him being out of her league.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 10:23 PM
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It wouldn't be ppd without a hyperbolic reductionist take.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/21 03:10 PM
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Its legit just a random uninformed idea. If you know more about it feel free to educate me. I can't argue with you, because I have no idea what I'm talking about lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/21 07:28 PM
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Ever since I heard men's testosterone drops after having kids i've been of the opinion that test drops as you need it less. If you live in a safe, abundant environment test is actively problematic. By this theory the best way to increase test is to move to a warzone.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/21 09:58 PM
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You just spelled it wrong. I didn't even notice until she pointed it out.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/21 04:02 PM
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You're right! I could do even better! But that is still a reasonable start. I would say number or people in your city is not a reasonable start.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/21 11:39 PM
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It's at best a correlation and it's not even a good one. Being pedantic, number of people in your city is partly determined by what the arbitrary boundaries of your city are. Some cities count their suburbs, some don't, it's irrelevant. Putting that aside, I'll assume you mean population density, which is at least a solid correlation. But why would you use population density when people just know how many people they meet in a month? If I know .05% of women are acceptable to me and I know I meet…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/21 04:33 PM
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which TRPers can't even imagine as the sidebar claims that women naturally always crave a relationship I mostly find that women do want relationships, but I also mostly find that men want relationships too.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/21 02:14 PM
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For some reason I thought op was looking for a gf. You can probably get away with hooking up and having no friends. It still seems harder (what do you talk about if you don't do anything with anyone?) but doable.
/r/seduction11/08/21 11:51 AM
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The better way to put it is op has no friends and thus women should and will avoid him. Op can reflect on this and make a decision on how to proceed (i.e. asking himself why he wants a gf if he doesn't enjoy the companionship of friends).
/r/seduction11/08/21 10:45 AM
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Sorry you got bombarded by responses, I was just sharing my experience. The idea of building character is pretty dubious to me. It seems to me that good character is built off the back of good experiences and a good culture, which precedes working or college life. Working in the service industry is shitty as you said so people usually avoid it unless they don't have better options. The service industry is always hiring and has a low bar. It attracts people who are unreliable and dealing with iss…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/21 01:54 AM
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How many men in your city doesn't matter. What matters is how many you come across with a potential to date.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/21 07:10 PM
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10% isn't bad though. If you go to the mall you should see like 50 dudes pretty easily. 5 meet your standards. That's reasonable.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/21 07:00 PM
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As someone who has been to college and waited tables. The college women are of a higher quality without a doubt unless you're selecting for specific things.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/21 06:57 PM
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It's all one account. You can google my name and stalk my old forum accounts and twitter too lol. p.s. That's a reasonable assumption. Btw was my comment that snarky? I'm not good at towing the line of trying to be funny and just coming off as an asshole so feedback on that is useful. Edit: wait how aren't you roasting me for having bed bugs???? This seems like the easiest target.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/21 03:59 AM
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When they are sitting next to me swipping on dating apps. I call them "friends".
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/21 03:20 AM
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That's fair. I've def seen this happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/21 01:35 AM
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Firstly the pure irony of a bunch of skinny people sitting around a desk saying fat women are under represented in media almost killed me I laughed so hard. I'm not sure its a metoo issue, but I do think decent men are far less likely to approach. I think a world where all men feel they can approach probably leads to a better dating market. Trp would say young women are too busy riding the cc to commit, but that's an over generalization and I don't think dating a little older is a bad thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/21 01:17 AM
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I would think of it like more like the best ones lowest percentage of their datable lives on the market. A beautiful, successful, mentally healthy person is leaving the market asap and staying off long term on average. There could be unlucky situations where they pick the wrong so the first time around but they're much more likely to stay off then someome who is worse than them in any way. The crazy and hot person is out of the market more often than the crazy and ugly person, but not as much as…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/21 12:53 AM
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I watch women swipe on dating apps every now and then and am always suprised on how many guys they pass up on. There's a study out there that says people (men and women) are really bad at knowing what they will like in a partner. Also anecdotally you often see stories where women say "at first I didn't even think of him that way but now we've been together for 5 years". The normal way has a guy approach a woman and show her why she should be interested. This works because guys are liberal about …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/21 12:40 AM
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I'm not sure I understand your critique. You're saying that crazy people go back on the market more often. Isn't that in line with what op is saying? A sane person who looks decent is likely off the market for good.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/21 12:27 AM
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I rarely see anyone of any gender have the self awareness or empathy to think anyone has it harder than them (except for white liberals who are trained to acknowledge their privilege).
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/21 01:57 AM
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Idk born and raised in the us of a 🦅
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 09:29 PM
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I don't think the point is that it's binding or long term. It's just a default assumption about exclusivity. It seems totally arbitrary to me and basically irrelevant, because if the assumption is one thing and you want the other you just have to tell the person. The real issue here is if people have different assumptions and don't communicate. So just don't assume anything and this problem doesn't exist. "I really like you, but I just want you to know that I'm still dating other people. Is that…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 03:10 PM
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Do they? I find all the red pill envy of women to be very feminine. There's nothing wrong with femininity in a guy, but I wouldn't assume that all men are like that. For example, I don't want to be pursued like that at all. Being the doer means the ball is in my court and that I have control over the situation. This isn't inherently better, but usually men perceive being in control as a good thing, while it is stereotypically feminine to want someone reliable to take control from you.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/21 02:57 AM
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https://www.surrogatetherapy.org/locate-a-surrogate-partner There are plenty of men for women here. Why did you assume this was only for men?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/21 08:03 PM
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We just see it different then.
/r/MensRights14/04/21 11:19 PM
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The real problem here is that the issue of Men’s rights has been hijacked by right wing white men who apparently think fighting racism somehow translates to “men’s rights”. Its true that those groups are going to have overlap but its natural that people have opinions that don't just fit the scope of feminism vs mens rights. You could argue it's off topic, but I don't see the big deal with the original post "Same for racism against white men." I don't see anything wrong with you disagreeing with …
/r/MensRights14/04/21 09:12 PM
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You do realize this is the attitude people against men's rights would have against you right? I guess my point is I just don't get what you're going for here. The best I can guess is you got annoyed and spoke from that emotion.
/r/MensRights14/04/21 08:03 PM
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I'm confused about your motive here. You declare there's no racism against whites, but also refuse to engage in discussion on the topic. You say people should educate themselves, but you also reject the dictionary definition of the word you're arguing about. You could just say prejudice against white men exists, but systematic racism against white men doesn't exist currently in the western world. But here's you're just arguing about a word, but gatekeeping what the word can mean, I Just don't ge…
/r/MensRights14/04/21 07:34 PM
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True, but that is not yet a saturated market. A straight decent looking man could make bank sucking dick.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/21 02:28 AM
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There's definitely a market. Gay men exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/21 06:29 PM
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If he said no he's lying.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/21 05:49 PM
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A body builder explained that it is true that most women don't like super shredded guys, there are women that do like it and since shredded guys are rare they actually get tons of attention. Put another way, there are more average body admirers but there is a better ripped to ripped admirer ratio.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/21 05:44 PM
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This is "subtle" gaslighting
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/21 02:39 AM
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I'm mostly impressed by how little charisma he has. I feel like the best fuckboys I know are super charismatic but I guess if you're hot enough you can get around that.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/21 09:29 AM
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Honestly I just don't know that many low quality people in general. Male or female I generally meet people who want to do better and be better. That said I don't assume that my tiny sample is representative of every person in the country.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/21 12:46 AM
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You think self reflection is that cop out? You think you're traveling the "hard road", because you're mad that women post selfies on instagram?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/21 11:54 PM
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Strangely it does, because you will see depth where you couldn't before.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/21 11:38 PM
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I too find criticizing others easier than self reflection.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/21 11:33 PM
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My quoted meme example was just a caricature. Don't actually argue against it lmao. how narcissistic and entitled women have become Oh I can swap it out for this instead. Only slightly less ridiculous, but this time it's a real quote!
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/21 11:09 PM
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We are not. Men and women are fundamentally the same imo, but with different emphasis on different qualities. I think of it like an rpg with a tank and an assassin. They both have very different roles, but fundamentally they do the same shit. They attack, they move, etc. To access that common ground takes an extremely high level of self awareness than many men are just not interested in getting to. Particularly the guys here. Your typical rper or black piller prefers to reduce men to fuck robots…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/21 06:47 PM
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Very few men I know have that. Well now you know one more. And I can think of another 3 so by extension you now know 4 people like that!
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/21 06:37 PM
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The women y'all know are brutal af or just totally unaware. I don't think anyone has ever done that to me before.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/21 07:01 PM
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I'm using the desktop site as well Since you're on reddit's reply page the design rules of PPD aren't there. Legit just go to the front page of PPD and you'll see all the posts don't have a downvote option. It's been that way as long as I've been here which I think is 3+ years at this point. Ok, your post makes more sense in the context of that example. I misunderstood your point.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/21 11:01 PM
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Look I just down-voted you! how did I do that black magic? By using anything other than the desktop site. I could also downvote if I really felt strongly about it, but since I'm on desktop I wouldn't spend the effort to take the extra step. I imagine this is true for others as well. https://imgur.com/a/VDVWuuo Note how there's a clear option to upvote, but not one to downvote. Extreme opinions do poorly here We have different perceptions of extreme. You had a baseless accusation that you stated …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/21 06:39 PM
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I can't you were the one who claimed it was mental Gymnastics in a snarky way. If you can point where in my original statement I stated that they were jumping through hoops i'll admit I was wrong. I don't think I'm following you any more. I said YOU were jumping through hoops to make your point. An appropriate response would be "I am not jumping through hoops, my points are actually quite reasonable because...". Saying that women jump through hoops just seems like a non-sequitur. Fortunately By …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/21 05:52 PM
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No it was not a clever quip. Ok, I can't read your mind. Go ahead and tell me what women's mental gymnastics had to do with any part of the discussion. I then suggested a possible explanation with the limited information given True but it seemed off that you didn't cover the very obvious conclusion that maybe not all women want to marry every dude they sleep with. I had to assume your intention was to reject the obvious conclusion by suggesting a bunch of low percentage explanations. Something a…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/21 05:15 PM
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I have my own intention with each of my replies that may or may not have anything to do with the OP. But to spell it out: the OP is about women exhibiting behavior that doesn't fit the redpill narrative to a T, you explain how it could be that it could just be a misunderstanding I assume so that it still fits within the rp narrative. The intention behind my first response is to point out that the easiest explanation here is that rp stereotypes aren't literally always right and you can just go wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/21 04:52 PM
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I see people of all genders hop through mental hoola hoops rather than self reflect or challenge their beliefs.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/21 04:38 PM
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Soley? Probably none, because nothing I do is "soley" for one purpose. I think on some level everything I do is partially motivated by attracting women and everything I do is also partially motivated by appeasing my ego, practical benefit, etc. I don't think anyone is that one dimensional, even these red pill and black pill meme people who try to reduce the complexity of sexuality to a handful of "truths".
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/21 01:17 PM
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If anything I thought 60kg would be kind of skinny for that height. Maybe it's because I'm american. my (slim) ex who didn't know the numbers was pretty mean about it. Usually when dudes are mean about shit like this it's to get under your skin. What they say to get under your skin may or may not be true. @ u/Soon-to-be-Catlady
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/21 01:13 PM
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I feel like any good dad would teach their son (more by example than by words) not to take what women say super seriously. I think this specifically a problem for guys without a strong male figure AND who grew up in an environment that doesn't promote masculinity. I would assume you are white or asian and grew up in a suburb around a city or in a city. I would argue that the mainstream messaging is still in favor of masculinity except in a particular part of american culture. For example black m…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/21 04:36 PM
2

Were you raised by a single mom?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/21 02:59 PM
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Men who only want to hook up don't For the most part these men don't exist. There's always exceptions but generally men "only want to hook up" until they meet someone worth doing more than hooking up with. Now for some guys that girl is 1 in 10,000 and it rarely ever happens. For guys who really want to be in a relationship it'll be more like 1 in 20 and they'll see dateable people everywhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/21 04:53 PM
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The absolute mental gymnastics.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/21 04:49 PM
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The taken L is implied.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/21 10:18 PM
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The point you're missing is most men are perfectly happy (and realistic) about being with their looksmatch. ​ then why do men cheat?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/21 05:01 PM
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Most don't message 1st period.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/20 03:00 PM
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The study is about women contacting men first. I have gotten laid off of OLD and never did anyone contact me first aside from the bumble "hi :)".
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/20 10:04 AM
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How do you acknowledge the pitfall and then fall right into it in the same paragraph?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/20 09:13 AM
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what is there to argue about? OLD is not a 1 to 1 representation of all dating. Women's bias to top men on OLD doesn't prove that middle to low tier men are literally undateable. A woman first contacting/matching with a top man does not mean she will date (or even meet) said top man. That's off the top of my head. I'm sure there's more.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/20 09:08 AM
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Nas has a cool line "took her from private school so she can get a balance, to public school they too nurture teen talents". Maybe a split is a good idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/20 04:05 PM
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https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/00224491003699833?casa_token=F9S8TDZLcbcAAAAA:A01V-cbtwthFtO64_S-UGuasFLIWMG4VEhz0GDlqjGKh2ZO5M6ethO0ukaKSC5pSX-3fkuQp5em8 Another interesting survey finding was that some paraphilias were related to early family environment—for example, separation from parents. Or for a more common sense example. People tend to be more attracted to people the same race as them (particularly women). I would tend to assume this is based on environment, not genetics. La…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/20 11:54 AM
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It's way to complex of a world to chalk something like this up to "pedophilia" and doing so only makes it harder for society to pin point the actions of ACTUAL pedophiles. Pedophile 1 as in person who is attracted to children (or let's say anyone underage to avoid the irrelevant hebephile argument) and pedophile 2 as in someone who abuses children are not exactly the same group. That said you would assume if there are more of pedophile 1 there would be more of pedophile 2, thus giving good reaso…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/20 09:57 PM
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I'm not arguing per se, but this does remind me of the whole mike mew thing about jawlines being less defined in developed world, because we eat soft food that doesn't strengthen our tongue muscles. This argument takes away the dubious hormone claim, but leads to similar conclusions. Men look less manly. Women look less manly and thus more childlike. We start to prefer that. Just a thought.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/20 09:51 PM
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Sexuality does not exist in a vacuum. Environment absolutely does affect it. I can't make as strong a statement as OP is (anime makes men pedos), but it certainly is a possibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/20 09:48 PM
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I've been with inexperienced women with high sex drives. They certainly had hang ups about sex, but it had nothing to do with low libido.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/20 02:49 PM
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Being horny? Being drunk? I'm cute? Waiting until the 3rd date is hardly even "changing your mind". That's a fairly normal wait time.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/20 12:22 PM
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just listen to her instead of invalidating her I have never seen anyone do that for an incel.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/20 12:20 PM
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I'm a late bloomer and most of the people I slept with originally were much more experienced than me. The 2nd girl did turn me down at first, because I was inexperienced, but I think she slept with me on the 3rd date anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/20 12:14 PM
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Ask op, I'm just assuming his figure is correct.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/20 07:36 AM
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When you have a 10 to 1 ratio it's literally anything you want it to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/20 08:35 PM
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I'll check them out. My stance is that people should have the freedom to do what they want with themselves period. If the fall out of that is increased trafficking and abuse then we should absolutely deal with that and it seems to be something the government is happy to attack since they talk about trafficking fairly often. I just find it suspicious when there are laws that supposedly protect women, but objectively limit their options. Like I'm sure that if women walked everywhere chaperoned by …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/20 08:40 PM
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Do you interact with street walkers? obviously you have your own perspective, but I don't think it's representative of all or even most sex workers.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/20 06:58 PM
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Are you saying that having sex for money is the "severe damage" or is it the other things that can come with the job (i.e. violence, abuse, drugs, etc)?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/20 06:23 PM
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I know people who don't do well with women, but aren't black pill. They are experiencing the same social media, OLD, etc. that you mentioned and yet somehow are not radical.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/20 01:50 PM
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Woman consume much more romantic content. They also talk more about romance. They seem far more interested in it then men. That said everyone gets less romantic as they get older because romantcism is the antagonist of pragmatism. So once you have bills to pay and shit to do romance takes a back seat. Even then adult women still love romance, but it can't be from some random, it has to be someone they trust (their SO). There are romantic men, but they are the minority. Maybe you meant men intiat…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/20 01:21 PM
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Right I understand what you believe and am telling you that it is wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/20 04:08 PM
2

Average is a relative term. Confidence and a strong sense of morals are absolute. If you assume the 80/20 rule is infallible ofcourse you will think its about being bove average, but if men did become even worse there would simply be more male incels and female volcels because women have a bare minimum standard.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/20 11:47 AM
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A lack of AF/AB may not be some consequence of nature, but a consequence of present day western culture. Or to be clearer we have failed to teach boys how to become both strong and providers.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/20 11:00 PM
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This is the opposite of my experience. Or maybe you have a different idea of "obvious" like talking to you when they don't have to.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/20 06:40 PM
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Why the fuck do dudes care about shit tests? The men passing shit tests don't. They find them humorous. Weaker men on the other hand find them infuriating, because they are basically being called out on being weak.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/20 04:48 PM
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I'm pretty sure you're memeing but I unironically agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/20 06:03 PM
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You know what, now that I think about it I wouldn't say any of the guys in my grade looked particularly good lmao. Maybe if I wasn't such a weirdo I could have been the chad, oh well.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/20 07:36 PM
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I don't think he would necessarily copy the other guy, but he would find his own style. I can just say that he's communicating low status regardless of his face/hairline. Did your highschool really have no average looking chads?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/20 07:24 PM
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I disagree. Also the 2nd guy, forgetting his face, has so many more symbols of status. Look at his hairstyle, that jacket, the chain, even the way he's standing, his expression. The other guy is communicating obvious low status with his expression and his boring-ass shirt. If your guy 2 (hot one) had the qualities I described in my guy 2 (poor guy) he for sure would not look so put together and cool.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/20 07:12 PM
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Looks contribute to status. If we take all the factors of my guy 1 and make him ugly he still probably gets laid more than guy 2. That said in highschool a lot of your status is going to come from your looks, because you aren't really shit yet.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/20 07:00 PM
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Being the highschool alpha is a status. Rather than what you said what about comparing a good looking guy who is the best player on the football team, has well-to-do parents with a big house where he throws parties, and is a part of the highest ranked social group in the school vs. another good looking guy who has drug addicts for parents, is depressed, and let's say he suffers from a chronic illness too. First guy is getting way more pussy. Second guy might even have a gf, but he could never co…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/20 06:49 PM
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Disagree. Status is the most important factor by far.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/20 06:37 PM
1

Looks aren't the only factor.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/20 06:22 PM
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I shouldn't have said the "standard isn't high" but rather "willingness to marry and sounding nice to reddit feminists isn't the standard".
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/20 06:10 PM
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And yet being elite at a video game (say being top 10%) and being able to get a date (like 75% of guys) are not comparable in difficulty either. And games are just complex enough that the defined rules/mechanics don't necessarily tell you exactly how to win, because the strategy that emerges from those rules is nonobvious. The thing that really sucks for incels is that most of what we learn to be good daters is not taught explicitly and is learned in childhood/adolescence. Despite that you can a…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/20 05:52 PM
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This is just the nature of unknown unknowns. I play a lot of league of legends and have been very bad at it for a long time. I got better. Bad did not even understand the mechanics of the game I was bad at. Like I literally wasn't playing the game and would make up reasons as to why I'm bad. Better me can look back and say, "obviously I should have done x and y", but that wasn't even part of bad's me reality. So for an incel I get that they see it as literally impossible, but they are probably n…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/20 05:03 PM
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It's a delusion to think that the standard is that high for men. A good looking dude can literally say that to girls face and fuck her that night. Incels make it seem like dating women is hard, but it's really just not.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/20 04:18 PM
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Because the "women" you're talking about are just shy of being children.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/20 04:12 PM
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And with all the negging, pumping and dumping, anything to get my dick wet stuff that goes on Treating men like animals only feeds that dynamic more, but I agree that women shouldn't bear the brunt of the responsibility to change things. Speaking for the US, we glorify individualism and do not see each other as allies. I think most men wouldn't pump and dump their childhood friend, but a random woman with no affiliation to them is barely even a person. Women respond in kind. Strange men because …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/20 04:07 PM
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For anyone regardless of gender or intention: when the bill comes to the table I try to grab it and put my credit card. If the other person wants to they can also add cash or their credit card. I only ever insisted on paying for a girl when I was doing relatively well and I knew the other person was broke, because if I let them pay they would be reluctant to come out again for financial reasons. That too, I would do for a male friend but guys will try to fight you if you demand to pay for them l…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 01:52 AM
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I don't ever think of myself as "courting" someone. I see it as "if we mutually like each other we should proceed from there". A date is just to test run this hypothesis. So in my mind it's all mutual. I only ask for the date as a formality (men usually ask/most women are too shy to ask). If I thought the girl was getting nothing out of it, I wouldn't even bother asking.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/20 09:37 PM
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The fact that that is a thing is so bizzare to me. I'm clearly not cut for business though. I would expect that I get a client because my services fit their needs not because I know a good restaurant and banter well, but clearly I'm wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/20 08:48 PM
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Nothing to do with that. I don't like the idea of paying someone to like me or even worse paying them to judge if I'm worthy. Like they are free to judge, but why would I pay for this service?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/20 08:37 PM
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So to be clear, when someone asks for a date they are effectively paying for a chance to garner the interest of the other person? If I knew that was the proposition of a date I would avoid them.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/20 08:30 PM
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So like pre puberty you were already pretty certain you'd never find a girl?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/20 07:52 PM
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Q4Incels: What was the moment when you realized that having sex/finding an SO would be impossible for you?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/20 11:58 PM
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Eh, making the point that someone is misrepresenting the viewpoints of the other side is relevant. Although it's so common place here that maybe it's pointless to bring up anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/20 12:15 PM
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There is a world between misogyny and thinking all women are great. I call it the real world.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/20 12:13 PM
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The world can sustain some some amount of new children. My point is that preaching to the rich about not having kids is pointless since they generally aren't having many kids anyway. All the markers of wealth correlate with having fewer children. For sure the rich should consume fewer resources and they cannot justify increasing the number of children they have while the poor are still over reproducing. I think ideally both would move to a sustainable amount of childbirth which would be an incre…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/20 01:42 PM
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I don't like when people don't try to engage in genuine dialogue. Like you said, your goal is to make fun of him. That's not something I find appealing. And generally I don't like how this sub (or most people in general) go about disagreeing with each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/20 09:04 PM
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Looking over the posts it's clearly just you trolling him. I just never like that and can't help but call it out. And he is saying ridiculous things but it sounds like exaggeration. Who knows though
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/20 07:40 PM
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What's the point of getting in the middle of a conversation you aren't involved in? To inject some sanity. I respond because I find it fun and funny. I only respond to the parts that are even vaguely clinging to a rational thought. Responding to the other stuff is a waste. That strategy doesn't leave any room for understanding the person you're talking to. If you assume you already know exactly who they are based on a few posts as you seem to imply (you say he's mgtow when he says he's not) then…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/20 07:13 PM
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What's even the point of responding to someone if you aren't going to listen to anything they say?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/20 07:00 PM
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When I say the world is overpopulated, there are many ways overpopulation is harmful. For example, the environmental impact of overpopulation is an obvious one. More people means more pollution eg plastic pollution, more drinking bottles in the ocean, and more carbon emissions which causes climate change which destroys habitats causing animals and humans to suffer. The only people who care about this stuff are educated and thus typically not poor. The wealthy cause much more pollution than the p…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/20 03:34 PM
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That's dope. Having been on both sides of it do you think that these other incels could get to where you are or do you think you are physically more attractive than the average incel?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/20 01:08 PM
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You're the first nonamerican response. Do you think culture in any way contributed to you becoming an incel or do you think if you were put anywhere in the world (with a free sexual market) that you would have the same lack of success? Also I know an Italian women who makes it sound like Italy is pretty conservative and not at all feminist, but many incels feel that feminism is the cause of the increase in incels; what's your take?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/20 07:20 PM
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Most of the internet is not at all nice to incels and there are still plenty of incels. But again, I think we just disagree on approach here. I don't think I'll convince you and you won't convince me.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/20 04:59 PM
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I agree that there's a place for different approaches. We just disagree about the approach in this situation. I think empathy should always come before any other method.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/20 04:48 PM
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No longer an incel Woah, that's way more interesting. Could you talk about how you escaped inceldom? How old were you and what changed?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/20 04:46 PM
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Because that's how people are used to communicating with guys. Empathy isn't involved. Certainly no one is going to show any empathy to guys who they find so repulsing.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/20 04:45 PM
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Maybe I didn't state my point well, but I meant that wealthy people should have more kids and poor people should have less kids since right now not enough wealthy people have kids and way too many poor people have way too many kids. And when I say "wealthy" I really just mean not poor. Country isn't a factor here.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/20 04:43 PM
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Incels need to be told life sucks and is unfair They already think this. I don't think playing a highschool football coach character is going to inspire any epiphanies from incels. No one has an easy walk through life This isn't even true. You just said life is unfair. That means that some have it better than others. Do you ever use rhetoric like this with women? Does it help?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/20 04:14 PM
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Lol so you contradict yourself so that no matter what anyone says it's "agreeing" with you? In any case none of that defends your tone. I never see anyone seriously telling women to "suck it up". This just looks like further perpetuation of toxic masculinity to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/20 03:53 PM
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I can live quite happily without any sex (was happily a virgin until 24) or relationships (never even been in one). Does that mean I can advise you? Secondly, if I make a suggestion I make it because if a person is complaining about some kind of pain I will want to address the pain. It doesn't mean that the pain is directly important to me; I only care because the pain is important to that person experiencing it. I would much rather try to get incels to build up selfworth without affirmation fro…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/20 03:41 PM
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What is the point of rhetoric like this? How is this helpful? Do what 95% of the rest of humanity does and figure it out on your own No, this is just america's toxic individualism. In reality no one ever accomplishes anything alone and we are all riding the coattails of someone before us in some way. Whenever I meet someone with good, strong characteristics who doesn't need to depend on anyone I ask them "where did you get your work ethic from" and they always mention some father, grandma, whate…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/20 03:35 PM
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Q4Incels: Where are you from? What country (or region of a country if you live in a big country) are you from? Rural, suburban, or city? Is your area generally low, middle, or upper class?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/20 03:07 PM
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This is an argument to adopt kids from poor countries if anything. The sentiment doesn't really make sense, because the wealthy (not poor) don't have enough kids and the poor have too many kids. In wealthy countries with little immigration they are already seeing issues with not having enough young adults to support their aging population. Even if you have immigration then your country is just shifting much poorer. It's not just about transfer of wealth (middle class probably isn't transferring …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/20 01:49 PM
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That's an interesting thought. I would have thought the opposite to some extent, because fashion models tend to have more masculine, sharper looks. I will say that guys who come off as more beta to me tend to like the softer look you described and guys who I consider more chad tend to prefer thicker women. I always figured that low test guys probably want a woman who intimidates/scares them less and high test guys are just attracted to traditional signs of femininity/fertility/health (curves, ex…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/20 10:16 PM
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Humans greatly overestimate their ability to predict the future. The world has many, many variables and you cannot account for all of them. Although if you buy into incel dogma you are dramatically reducing your chances.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/20 04:04 AM
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Uh 17 year old incel doesn't really make sense. Tons of people don't get laid in high school. I myself was a virgin until 24.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/20 03:56 PM
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I guess I would have thought of it like you have everything to gain and nothing to lose. I wouldn't expect a few 1 hours sessions (if even more than one) could do much damage.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/20 11:37 AM
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What did they talk to you about? What were they trying to work on with you?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/20 11:35 AM
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The rest of the sentence after “instead of” is wrong. Then I don't quite follow what your point about denying you chemo is. What is the real life equivalent for denying you chemo? You seem confused. I already tried that. I’m years past where you think I am. I don't intend to give you any advice here (unless you ask) and I did not mean to imply that you haven't tried. I can actually tell you've tried quite a bit more than most incels if anything. My initial question is about mental health and inc…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/20 06:13 PM
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Address the part where your analogy breaks down. No one denies cancer patients life saving chemo-therapy and offers psychotherapy as a substitute. I don't really see the breakdown, but let me try to understand what you're saying. You feel that I and others are telling you to get therapy instead of telling you to solve the actual problem which is having sex? I can't speak for others, but I am happy to try to help you get laid although I'm not good at it so it'll be a lot of theory and I don't kno…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/20 04:55 PM
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Your analogy misses the fact that these cancer patients have been given every possible chemo-therapy first. To make the analogy work it would have to be like Oh I'm down to talk about game, but usually incels get offended by that. Or if I talk about hiring an escort incels get offended by that too. Or are you saying therapists should be dating coaches? That's not their job, but an incel could go hire an actual dating coach. In any case I am still of the belief that environment is secondary to in…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/20 04:15 PM
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Despite what those in the manosphere believe finding a girlfriend can be incredibly easy and it doesn't necessarily fix anything long term. Therapy, on the other hand, is a longer, harder process, but aspires to actually improve life in a sustainable way. That said, it is surprising that all the feedback about therapy is negative. I think the traits that a person needs to get value out of therapy are exactly the traits that someone who identifies as an incel would not have.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/20 03:57 PM
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Sorry that it didn't work out for you. I do think that therapy is just one tool one can use to improve their experience and I hope that maybe some other tool can help you. I would say that therapists can be very different, but it is true that they all are obligated to report intention of harm so I can see how that would like like their only function. I would say there are plenty of therapists that genuinely want to help, although sometimes they're only interested in helping specific populations.…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/20 03:52 PM
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I like the liberal west overall, but their men are bad with women. All this pill shit does not exist in any other part of the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/20 03:43 PM
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It's a misunderstanding. The media that women consume says that dressing slutty is cool now and doesn't actually make you a slut. It's fashionable and they want to be fashionable. Men instinctively see it as intentionally enticing. Men don't realize that women genuinely believe they aren't doing anything strange. It's like when you tell a kid a curse word to trick them into saying it. They'll go around dropping f-bombs and their parents/teachers will be pissed, meanwhile the kid is confused as t…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/20 03:40 PM
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That depends on the individual.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/20 03:33 PM
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Could you expand on your experience? Did therapy make you feel better about life in general? Did it give you any useful tools for coping with feelings brought about by being an incel? Did you feel like any of those therapists "get it"?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/20 03:32 PM
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I could argue against those points individually, but I'm noticing in interesting trend here. You seem to be implying that if a solution isn't guaranteed then it is not worth trying. Is that a fair characterization of your viewpoint?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/20 03:28 PM
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The best bet is to get them comfortable talking to women with the intention to flirt from early. Or just move them away from the liberal west where everyone more or less knows how to talk to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/20 03:21 PM
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I have serious doubts about the efficacy of therapy This is fair, but I do want to point out that therapy is kind of the wild west. There are rules, but the approach of each therapist is totally up to the individual. It is not at all like going to the doctor. So you can find very bad therapists and very good ones, as well as those that don't mesh with you at all and those that have helped dozens of people exactly like you. I would not write of all therapy since it's not all one thing. cause is c…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/20 03:11 PM
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Q4Incels: have any of you sought out therapy?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/20 01:56 PM
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I say this, because I've never seen a group of men act "normal" once a woman shows up. Jesus christ and i thought i was beta
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/20 10:43 AM
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I said that i see short guys with tall women, which is a fact so nothing to argue about there. I also said not to take incel memes seriously, which specifically is that short men have no chance with women at all period which is disproven by my anecdotal evidence (the bar to disprove an absolute statement is very low).
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/20 05:51 PM
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What claim are you even suggesting is wrong?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/20 05:31 PM
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I have a friend that only dates tall guys. She told me that the last shorter guy she dated was really insecure about it and always made it an issue. Ever since him she has had a thing for tall guys. That's just one person though.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/20 01:39 PM
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I see short guys with tall women daily in america. Please don't take incel memes seriously
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/20 01:37 PM
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The same rope you climb up on they'll hang you with
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/20 04:13 AM
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Agree
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/20 12:26 AM
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There can be truth in jokes.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/20 11:15 PM
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Yeah, it's not just about at this given moment. That's not a wise way for anyone to approach life. So it makes sense that if you stick it out with your friends when they're low, because you expect that they won't be low forever. Idk about for you, but for most people if their friends stay shitty for too long will lose patience (long term drug addiction and long term mental health issues are good examples). I don't think this is a bad thing either. Being loyal to the point that it hurts you (i.e.…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/20 09:45 PM
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I believe this is humor.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/20 09:32 PM
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No amount of feminism is going to make men treat all women like meat. Men fall in love all the time. There's always at least one madonna for all the other whores.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/20 09:26 PM
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I don't expect a response, but I want to see if I can get through anyway. So I take it you think that my post is ridiculous and that I'm pretending to not understand your very intuitive point. I think the intuition of your point is where it's wrong. I can tell that it's more intuition than logic, because despite my asking very specific questions you try to make me understand with examples that should engage the same emotions you might feel around true friendship and betrayal (imagine if your fri…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/20 12:08 AM
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If to you friendship means exchanging value then we just view friendship differently So you don't find anything about your friends valuable? They do not and have not done anything beneficial for your life? Those sounds like pretty bad friends. I have been down in my life where I couldn't provide "value" Value isn't just monetary. That's a pretty shallow way to think of life. Value can be anything that a person finds valuable. Your friends simply aren't going to be your friends if you add nothing…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/20 11:41 PM
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I can genuinely like things that don't sound as movie-friendly. I can like someone, because they're successful. I can spin it to say I like talking to someone who is ambitious, understands the value of time, and can speak on the same level as me (assuming I'm also successful). It can also be spun that I'm just looking to network and take advantage of their resources, but then that's also mutual if they also get the same out of me. My point is I don't think there's anything like a "genuine" frien…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/20 09:42 PM
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So if I tell my friends that a large portion of the reason that I'm friends with them is because of the boat then it is no longer ulterior, right? You didn't answer my question, what is an acceptable motive?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/20 08:53 PM
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What is the acceptable main motive? I find that I tend to be friends with people for several reasons. And no matter what it boils down to what I can get from them even if what I get from them is good conversation and companionship. I assume those don't count as "ulterior" to you, so what does?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/20 07:12 PM
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What makes a friendship "genuine"?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/20 06:34 PM
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Neither TRP nor non-trp would believe it and I have no proof lol. Yet it seems pretty obvious to me, even as a straight male, that men are way less attractive on average than I would expect (not speaking about visually, but how they act). The obesity point is a relevant one too as extra fat causes men to produce more estrogen, although I know lots of skinny soyboys as well. Who knows.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/20 09:18 PM
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So your post is implying that there are a bunch of nerds who are entitled to tons of casual sex. I have never seen RPer say this. The closest I've seen is anger that women go for "bad guys". Maybe you're interpreting this as they want ALL women to go for them who are "good guys". Guys come to TRP after being heartbroken (being left for an "alpha") or desperate (they can't get a girlfriend). They weave this story about female nature that makes them conclude that spinning plates is the only logica…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/20 06:33 PM
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You say "good" and "bad" personality. What you should say is attractive personality. A guy can be a girl's friend for any number of reasons that has nothing to do with having an attractive personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/20 05:04 AM
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It's sweet that you think all those girls had promising futures.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/20 03:44 PM
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but feminist just complain too much Not feminists, but people I talk to normally. I basically never hear guys talk about being too ugly. Maybe I'm just around only attractive people, but it's pretty weird that I literally never see it happen. On top of that I also almost never think that a guy can't get laid, because of his looks. Conversely I always hear women complaining about their looks. And it's not just for show. They genuinely hate the way they look. If you don't believe my anecdotes or t…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/20 08:39 PM
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Women also have varied tastes in men. Or is there some reason you think this isn't the case? The pressure women endure for not measuring up to genetic body ideals is insignificant compared to the pressure men go through today. Let us pretend that men have to meet a higher standard to be attractive. Even if that is true a smaller percentage of men's value comes being attractive. So a woman might have an easier standard to meet, but if she doesn't meet it she is fucked, whereas a man can rely on m…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/20 01:48 PM
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It's the internet, you can find anyone validating any crazy ass opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/20 01:30 AM
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That makes sense, although I don't buy it. For casual things like fwb or ons women can def punch above their wieght class, but for actual relationships? I think you mostly get paired with someone on your level.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/20 01:21 AM
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ridicule or demonize Pointing out a problem doesn't mean that I think that men are morally evil or some dumb shit like that. The whole trp idea of blaming an entire gender is fucking dumb. If there's a common issue that means our systems and community have failed us. I think that average men are a little bit different. Obviously I have my own biased sample, but in my experience this is very common. Maybe it's also an age difference thing. No one my age is really doing the "ain't no hoe eva gonna…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/20 01:19 AM
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So you're probably not the guy that's crying himself to sleep, because "tfw no gf", but there are TONS of these men. As the other women in this tread said. They are never in lack of men that will commit. Look at the incels, they regularly talk about how all they want is a gf and how well they would treat her if she gave him a chance.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/20 11:36 PM
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Should you? I'm not equipped to answer such weighty moral questions. Am I being serious? About 70-80%, yeah.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/20 11:18 PM
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Maybe you live somewhere where men still have testosterone. Most of the men I know are either desperately seeking a girlfriend or are already cuffed. The modern man is too emotionally fragile to be alone for an extended period of time.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/20 08:20 PM
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No it’s because women have on average way more relationship than a man This is not possible unless we're assuming there are a bunch of biwomen inflating their numbers with lesbian relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/20 08:16 PM
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I feel like rpers live in a different world. While I have never been in a long term relationship even my fuck buddies cared about my emotional state to an extent. Its not the same as with a guy who would try to help you make changes for the better, but they would be able to talk about it, sympathize, and offer some advice if they had any. You do primarily have to solve any problem yourself, but ime people regardless of gender are wilking to at least listen to problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/20 02:27 PM
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It shows why men stop trying. Too many rotten apples. I know what older guy who has given up on romance (he's 60 and gay). I know my mom has given up on romance (after 50 years of trying). I don't actually know any other people who have given up even after trying a few rotten apples. And since your analogy removes all nuance it doesn't really explain why people who keep eating rotten apples and why others would stop. It's completely logical to not open yourself up to harm. You don't needlessly o…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/20 08:07 PM
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For argument's sake let's say I'll eat 5 rotten apples because I'm a bit slow. What does this prove if it doesn't actually reflect what I would do in real life? You do that and she dumps you leaving you heartbroken do you just keep repeating the same mistakes? If I were heartbroken 5 times I would be emotionally devastated and it would be difficult for me to try again with women, but eventually I would get lonely, I would reflect on what mistakes I made in the past, I would look at other relatio…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/20 07:06 PM
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I understood your analogy. My modifications are to make it more real-world applicable. In reality you are not just picking randomly from the only barrel that exists. In the real world you can look at the apples and see differences. The world is far more complex than the constraints for you analogy allow. Just tell me what number of rotten apples you would bite before you assumed all were rotten. Hard to say because in real life I would try to find out if this is just a phenomenon of chance or wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/20 06:34 PM
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Yes this is the kind of level 1 thinking our brain tends towards. You have to use some reason and the experience of others to decide if there is something fundamentally wrong with apples or if maybe this is particular barrel has been sitting in the sun for a week or you tend to like the really red looking apples which are more likely to be rotten. You would probably say that using reason and the experience of others is what TRP does, but it's key to be objective. TRP members in the anger phase a…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/20 05:56 PM
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Well yeah, there is not such thing as the blue pill. This is red pill, its offshoot black pill, and its boogeyman blue pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/20 06:01 PM
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Stop generalizing! Women are way more entitled Men would fuck anything with a hole
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/20 05:59 PM
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Honestly the more I think about it, the more your definition of compatibility (meet each others standards) does reflect reality pretty well.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/20 05:54 PM
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So this is just a way for guys to inflate their egos that were damaged by women simply existing in their spheres?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/20 12:10 AM
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Studies to show that sharing values is important, which is why I wouldn't say compatibility is completely bs. I just think its overblown. Attraction is just mercurial. So much context goes into it, but ultimately the quality of the person is the biggest influence imo.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/20 12:07 AM
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Yeah pretty much. My real point is that I think the idea of compatibility is mostly bs.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/20 08:47 PM
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Since you repeated the same thing I'm going to assume my point wasn't clear. But yeah, the percentage of men I would actually date is small. I feel like it should be for everyone if you’re really looking for true compatibility. So here's the point that I'm stating should have nothing to do with compatibility. Her assertion is that if you are looking for compatibility then percentage of people you would date should be small. "compatibility" in this context means you meet each other's standards So…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/20 08:30 PM
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Yeah this is clearly not arguing in good faith. Nothing more I can do.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/20 08:08 PM
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This is pretty far from good faith debate. I tried my best to read and reread what you said. I even tried to ask you some clarifying questions, which you didn't answer. The only thing I could do to be more "good faith" is just posting in nicer ways. ​ Perfect. For someone who hasn't been paying attention, there's no difference at all. So you're saying that there is no fundamental difference between being in control and not being in control? Would slavery and freedom be equivalent as well?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/20 07:11 PM
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There's no contradiction here.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/20 07:01 PM
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Women typically suggest that penis size doesn’t matter Where do you guys find these people?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/20 06:57 PM
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If you mean physical attraction she just said the opposite. If you mean attraction over all then your post is basically not saying anything. Yes she wants to date someone she is attracted to, obviously. My question is, what does it mean to be attracted based on compatibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/20 06:38 PM
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Then what OP is saying is that there aren't many men that meet her standard, which is to say she has high standards. She made a more general claim that everyone looking for "true compatibility" should also have high standards but that doesn't make sense based on the definition you just gave me.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/20 06:35 PM
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I still don't know what the "compatibility" part means but the definition of "a person you could sustain a happy, healthy relationship with" is concrete enough. I would say that people of higher quality (good mental health, promising/acomplished career, happy, confident, etc.) will be better partners across the board for anyone. Compatibility doesn't seem relevant to the part I highlighted at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/20 05:29 PM
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true compatibility. What does this mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/20 02:02 PM
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Unless there are hygiene issues involved, I'm fine with making it an "open affair".
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/20 11:33 PM
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Pick up works becomes there's always more women to approach. A pua vet would even say you need to live in a big city to practice pick up so you don't run out of options.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/20 01:23 AM
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I'm not sure if you're intentionally misunderstanding me. ​ The point is it's MUCH MUCH more complicated and difficult to resist or control the symptoms of depression and alcoholism than it is to accomplish basically the same things when you don't have these conditions. ​ So your whole point is that losing weight is hard? Hard is literally a synonym for difficult. How is this me misunderstanding you? All I was saying is that if you think weight loss is not in a person's control then I don't know…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/20 08:42 PM
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Aren't they buying the AI? What does "genuine interest" even mean from AI? On the surface these should be two identical things unless you think the sugar baby will be a worse actor. In reality both are artificial in exchange for money.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 12:38 AM
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So why don't prostitutes/sugar baby's work?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 12:29 AM
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Experts believe the 17 to 1 ratio was due to tribes conquering other tribes, killing all their men and children and reproducing with their women. You seem to be implying that the 17 to 1 ratio was a consensual choice by women.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/20 12:28 AM
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I don't understand what you're saying here. You mentioned 3 problems (being weepy or drinking too much or overly picky) and said they only count as a lack of control once they are clinical diagnoses ( depression, alcoholism or OCD). I think that's because you imagine those diagnoses are more concrete than they actually are. The line between someone who drinks too much and an alcoholic is arbitrary and changes with each new DSM (the document that decides what is and isn't a mental illness). So yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/20 04:30 PM
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So you draw the line when it can be clincally diagnosed which is itself an arbitrary line. So when the next DSM comes out what humans can and can't control changes? And are you implying that someone with depression can never get over it or that alcoholics can never get sober? Examples of both exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/20 10:20 AM
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Women aren’t rewards, we’re people. People can be rewards. What is with this transactionary mind set that sex is given by women when men work hard enough? That logic is backwards and based off a just world fallacy. In reality certain actions have certain outcomes. If a man acts in a certain way they are more likely to date/sleep with a woman of a certain quality. If I drop a ball, it will fall to the ground, not because the ground is entitled to being hit by the ball, that's just how physics wor…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/20 02:15 AM
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> are simply choosing to be fat Well obviously no one is consciously deciding to be fat. I'm just wondering what your definition of the word "control" is, because if you somehow don't control whether or not you are fat then what does one control exactly? You can make the argument that social factors, upbringing, genetics, stress, etc. etc. all influence one's weight. Those factors influence all decisions for everyone so if you're saying that you don't control your weight you might as well say yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/20 01:57 AM
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If you don't control how much food you eat then what do you control?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/20 04:03 AM
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The concept of "who you are" is nonsense. People change and are multifaceted. For example, astrology is convincing because when a person hears a set of personality traits they think of how they fit those traits. This works because people don't just act one way. Sometimes a person is stubborn sometimes they are flexible. Depends on mood and environment. When someone falls in love they are ALWAYS falling in love with the presentation of a person, because presentation is all that we get to ever see…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/20 06:05 PM
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True, but the whole complaint of incels is that women's expectations are too high. They would say its because of feminism, but you could argue that things like romcoms increase expectations as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/20 02:27 PM
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The ones I'm thinking of usually have guys who are 10s, are successful, and are madly in love with the average looking/status main character.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/20 11:56 AM
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That's an interesting take. Some women actively embrace their sexuality and the power that they have over men. A woman could think that "all men are just horny idiots and I'm taking advantage of them with my beauty and charm". In this world she would be getting validation from her results instead of from the opinions of other people, which is probably ideal anyway. There are still problems with this perspective, but I just find it interesting that this isn't the default. I suspect that this is n…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/20 10:35 AM
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If men actually experienced this they would be frustrated. It's kind of a king midas situation. Sounds great on paper, but gets old real fast.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/20 10:27 AM
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I kinda hate romance novels and guys often shit on romcoms, which have unrealistic men as the standard.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/20 10:18 AM
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Gives a fuck about other people. Isn't a coward.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/20 10:14 AM
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I guess welcome to the internet.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/20 10:10 AM
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LMAO You straight up lied in the OP because you were afraid of people disagreeing with you on a debate board? Amazing. Really amazing.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/20 10:02 AM
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This can absolutely be true. This is the primary issue that I have with rp. Everything is so black and white or absolute when human behavior is actually super fucking complex. In my experience the people who get mistreated and stay have low self-esteem or similar issues, which I think is a common trend for rp beliefs (what rp thinks is women's nature is just the nature of weak women). Actually that would be interesting to discuss: how much of RP beliefs are a result of women becoming less stable…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/20 06:05 PM
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Right, I understand the point you are trying to communicate and feel fairly certain that it is not actually true.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/20 05:48 PM
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Also when you ask a dude if looks are their number 1 priority, most will say yes, instead of virtue signalling like women always do. Not in my experience. Men usually say that physical attraction is a must, but so does every woman I know. "I would date a guy who wasn't attractive if he were sweet enough" is something I have never heard a woman say. But it's usually the reason I'm going to clarify my original statement. I do think that attractiveness is the only factor that matters on tinder and …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/20 05:47 PM
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Your quote is just to specific to be applied to every woman. I assure you I can find plenty of women who find cheating absolutely unacceptable. I also can't quickly recall a woman seriously criticizing a man for not wanting to date someone they aren't attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/20 09:48 PM
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The only time I've ever heard a woman talk about looking for someone to settle down with is related to the topic of being tired of fuckboys who won't commit. Attractiveness is never part of that conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/20 09:31 PM
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Absolutely no where do they ever say they want someone good looking. Never seen that in a dude's profile either. Never at any point does anyone say that the man isn't hot enough. Never seen anyone say that to a woman either and why would they? Its not particularly productive.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/20 09:27 PM
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Why am I lying? and to whom? To try to be nice. For example if some guy friend who is struggling with women comes to you talking about how no woman likes him because of whatever physical feature you could respond that looks don't matter as much a what kind of person he is amd that any woman would be lucky to have him. This is a pretty typical conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/20 09:16 PM
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Could also be that women who marry men who do more housework don't feel obligated to have sex when they aren't in the mood. Its hard to get anything meaningful out of a correlation with so many variables.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/19 05:00 PM
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Its reward vs effort. Its profitable to keep us hooked on our vices so we are spending money. It creates an environment where you really have to put on a huge effort to not become fat eventually.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/19 04:55 PM
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These discussions of throwing anecdotes back and forth are so dumb. Use studies or don't bother.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/19 04:22 PM
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I live in the US, almost no one takes care of themselves as they age.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/19 04:08 PM
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Sure is, for all except the Betas kept thirsty and waiting. I'm still not convinced that obligation sex is a rampant thing. The average woman is just not going to marry someone they aren't attracted to. Doesn't matter how ugly they are. They surely aren't going to fuck him if they lose attraction either. Female attraction is not identical to men's. What they find hot changes depending on context (honestly this is true to an extent for men as well, male sexuality is wildly oversimplified). Women …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/19 04:58 AM
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I actually didn't say anything, that was my first post on the topic. Also there are promiscuous women who go on to have happy relationships. There are lonely serially monogamous women. I doubt there's much causative relationship between promiscuity and having a happy partnership. I do think there is a strong correlation between being well-adjusted/mentally well and having a happy partnership. Also I don't even know what you're suggesting. So average women will end up with betas eventually becaus…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/19 03:10 AM
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Reality is a lot more fluid than the rp storyline of promiscuous youth and lonely middle age. Even the women you're talking about could easily remarry.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/19 06:27 PM
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I don't enjoy sex all that much so I don't actually get why its so important to incels, but clearly I have a low sex drive or something. Also due to disinterest and being a beta at heart I don't get laid all that much.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/19 11:40 PM
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The "heart of an issue" is irrelevant. You do what needs to be done to prevent bad things from happening. If that means expecting more from would be victims then that's fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/19 08:31 PM
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You forget that trp is half guys who were burned by their spouses. They talk a lot about "divorce rape" and such. They think if they buy into the system and do get married they will just get left or cheated on since society doesn't guarantee the institution of marriage anymore. As for mind reading, they think all women are like this (AWALT) so there's no way to pick a right one. On the other hand they do think that non-chad men actually would commit long term if given the chance.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/19 08:28 PM
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I think TRP would prefer a situation where women dated their smv matches and committed to them for a lifetime. Given that that isn't true they want to just fuck instead and then get mad that they can't do that either. Also those might just be two different groups of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/19 05:29 PM
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I'm not really sure what you're contesting here. If you could imagine every person in your world ranked every person of a gender they are attracted to from most datable/fuckable to least and averaged that you would get everyone's average ranking. If you date up you are dating above your ranking. That's just what these words mean, there's no denying the concept exists. Maybe you're saying that these rankings are irrelevant? There are studies that suggest otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/19 05:27 PM
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I'm in the same boat as him. It baffles me that girls will be attracted to me when I have no real substance as a person, I assume just because of how I look. It's pretty disheartening.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/19 04:38 PM
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As opposed to thr friendzone what are you suggesting? That women fuck every guy they are friends with or enter a relationship with every guy they are friends with? That first option isn't as romantic as you make it sound. The second option is just not practical.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/19 01:46 PM
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Stress
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/19 02:38 AM
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It feels good for men to stimulate their prostate so that's why they enjoy recieving anal. Many gay man prefer to be bottoms (they only take dick).
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/19 12:33 PM
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Yeah I was wondering this too. If he doesn't understand consent, can he himself consent? I still can't wrap my head around wanting to have sex but not being able to consent.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/19 04:24 PM
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He wants a girlfriend and a family.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/19 04:21 PM
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I don't understand the driving-sex comparison. You think a drunk person should go to jail for having sex with a sober person or do you think drunk driving should be legal. Also, to be clear, it is illegal to have sex with someone who cannot consent. If you are so drunk that you don't know what is even going on you can't consent. Its not being drunk and you decision making is impaired, its being so drunk that you don't actually make a decision.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/19 04:18 PM
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If I'm on a cut that girl is a third of my calories 🤷‍♂️
/r/seduction07/09/19 05:36 PM
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Where did I imply that I don't understand that?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/19 04:03 PM
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I don't understand this question. Are you asking why people are attracted to good looking people? Or are you asking why people value being attracted to their partner so highly? Or are you asking why guys don't pursue uglier women?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/19 03:41 PM
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Smoking, drinking, stress, and weight gain are all incredibly common
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/19 03:36 PM
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Why does everyone need fine wine? What if you just enjoy lemonade?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/19 06:31 PM
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I think its called entitlement not at the point of complaining but at the point of action.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/19 06:57 PM
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Women want more sex because if there's a mismatch in sexdrive women will more often just do their duty. If the man is not in the mood its not going to happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/19 06:54 PM
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I have the reverse question for women. What is so great about looking a certain way without getting anything out of it. I almost never see myself so I can't even admire myself visually. Seems pointless outside of the context of other people seeing me. In my case looking good actually makes me feel bad, because I don't value appearance over useful qualities, but I mostly get compliments on appearance so that just reminds me that I'm mostly valued for something that doesn't matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/19 03:42 PM
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Going to the gym is easy. Requires no friends, no intelligence, no personal growth. You just go in a lift things and eat right which suites your average autist quite nicely. Then maybe they can use the confidence boost to develop their actual personality, but if not they at least they have a hobby.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/19 03:55 PM
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You missed the whole part about beta bucks and "divorce rape".
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/19 01:52 AM
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You just sound like someone that doesn't get laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/19 03:05 PM
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The only "excuse" or realistic reason is that it's not a priority. Losing weight is easy if you have nothing else to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/19 12:39 PM
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Who gives a shit? My response to almost every cmv posted here.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/19 02:04 AM
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Women are supposed to nice and moral. They typically present that way and use more insidious methods than guys (guys are more direct). Compound that with the halo effect (if she's pretty she must be good) and I could see how this happens. It still kind of surprises me that this happens though because if your guy friends don't warn you, you have no female friends, and you don't have a sister at the very least your mom should be able to pass on that very basic wisdom.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/19 01:58 PM
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It never occurred to me that asking to geab coffee could be construed as nonromantic lmao. Playing the sneaky game is stupid imo. If you are interested let her know one way or the other or you're just setting yourself up for the friendzone and being deceptive.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/19 08:47 PM
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If its at a funeral I guess? Maybe an emergency room? But at like work or the gym? No. The beauty of this method is it give the girl the power to end further advances from you. All she has to do is say no and you are no longer a sexual threat
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/19 03:57 PM
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Ah, creepy! No i'm not a girl.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/19 03:54 PM
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If you go to a girl and say "hey, i thought you were cute and wondered if we could get some coffee sometime" and after she rejected you you never bothered her again no one could interpret that as creepy.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/19 12:15 PM
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Yeah and if someone shows off an expensive watch others now have the right to steal it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/19 12:06 PM
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What about friends outside of work?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/19 03:19 AM
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You'd be surprised. I find the world to be surprising red pill. I honestly think that if you polled people on feminists beliefs the percentage that would agree with those beliefs would be far lower than the people who claim to support feminism.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/19 02:55 PM
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According to the trp narrative that would only happen if he tries to display himself as a sexual being. Unattractive guys can have female friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/19 06:56 PM
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Source on these studies? I find preferences to be cultural. An easy example of this is if you go to say xvideos and swap the region you see very different women. Based on that people seem to prefer their own race and there are oddities here and there like Indians seem to have a lot of "auntie" porn which seems like our* milf/mature/step mom porn.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/19 03:23 PM
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Go actually talk to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/19 03:20 PM
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An equivalence is required Honestly don't know what you're talking about. Oranges are tasty because they have sugar, apples also have sugar so they are tasty too. I don't see what equivalence has to do with anything. If the analogy doesn't make sense you can just explain why it doesn't fit. Pointing out a difference isn't an explanation, its just noting the the two things aren't identical which is odd because that's a requirement for an analogy. In what world would someone use an apple as an ana…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/19 07:47 PM
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Is the bird a woman or a red piller in this analogy?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/19 07:33 PM
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apples-to-oranges I could definitely compare apples to oranges if it makes sense to. No equivalence required. Hunger strikes only punish yourself, not other people Don't think that's true, but fine, how about a bus strike. Doesn't imply women don't need transportation. That whole line of logic is incoherent. Suggesting women go on a sex strike is telling women what they should do with their bodies. Whether or not you consider this denying them control is besides the point. To these women, encour…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/19 07:31 PM
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By early Sunday morning, Milano’s tweet had drawn more than 38,000 likes and 13,000 retweets, some applauding the idea but many others arguing that it only serves to perpetuate the stereotype that “women are providers and men are consumers of sex.” “This makes it seem like sex is something women do as a favor to men; it also furthers the misogynist theory that women should be shamed for liking sex at all," one wrote. I see the complaint here but I don't think this actually makes sense. If it was…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/19 07:07 PM
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Both men and women are willing to date "fixer uppers". The common trait here is being low quality. Without conscious thought the low quality person (either gender) sees someone with positive traits they find attractive and negative traits that make then attainable and they want that person. You see this with nerds all the time "I don't want some bombsell, I would rather take the cute, quiet 7/10 girl". The bombshell is not in their reality so they don't even really want it anymore. Its just very…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/19 01:52 AM
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What gets me is the guys who aren't in the 27% and the amount of absurd shit they have to put up with just to stay there Eh I feel like once you can get laid it seems easy but if you can't it seems impossible.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/19 06:46 PM
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What if her SO is the only person willing to provide for her? She could be using him for the resources / security and everyone else for the fun. Isn't one of the main tenants of TRP that women will do this in monogamous relationships as well? If you marry a girl that isn't in to you the type of relationship isn't going to make it any less shitty. You can probably I'm not a liberal so we probably won't find common ground. I would always put the success of the group over anything else What does th…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/19 02:20 AM
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Concerned about prostitution or liberalism?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/19 04:59 AM
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Working on yourself is good, but that shouldn't be done in place of building relationships.
/r/seduction21/04/19 10:36 PM
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If a woman is out there experiencing all types of new dick but still comes home how could her SO think she's settling? She literally has other options and has no interest in committing to them.' It's why monogamous relationships have been selected for I assume you're talking about evolution. If we are biologically inclined to be monogamous why is it so hard to actually do? Why do we need legal, religious, and social institutions to keep us from straying? In any case I don't care if you choose to…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/19 10:14 PM
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2014/03/27/lies-damned-lies-and-sex-work-statistics In any case. I think it would be fairly easy to avoid a trafficked or drug addicted prostitutes if you aren't broke.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/19 10:07 PM
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Because its easier to lament missed opportunities than to take the opportunities right before your eyes.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/19 09:19 PM
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If he doesn't care, it shows he's rather pathetic / needs some help Ah the old "everyone who doesn't agree with me is stupid" argument. I can do that one too! If someone is so insecure that they can't handle their SO sleeping with other people they're pathetic.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/19 02:10 PM
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Because rpers aren't really just men trying to balance the gender power gap, they're tadcons who are mad that their society is more liberal than they like.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/19 02:06 PM
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trafficked Shown not to be true addicted I mean if you're getting a hooker off the street sure. That would probably still be illegal even if prostitution was legalized. Or have serious daddy issues and are batshit crazy You mean like an rpers ideal plate?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/19 02:03 PM
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Saying Trump is as bad as Hitler for example That doesn't really fit here because it equates them which doesn't allow for the difference in scale. If they said Trump's ability to play on fears of immigration is like Hitler's ability to play on the fear of Jews that would fit, because Trump now doesn't need to be as racist as Hitler was for us to understand that the tactics are similar (but not necessarily the same scale) and could lead to similar results (but also not necessarily the same scale)…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/19 12:39 AM
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Right and I then explained the purpose of using a different scale in analogies is common. If you think it specifically doesn't apply here for some reason you can say that, but all you said was how offensive it is, which has no bearing on the argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/19 09:23 AM
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when there are relevant differences between the analogy and the analogized the representation of the phenomena fails to have utility in determining the truth Agreed, which is why a good faith argument against an analogy sounds like "this isn't relevant because in this scenario x happens, but in this other scenario y happens". So go ahead and try that and I can argue against it. Its very hard to motivate myself to argue against someone who doesn't seem to be doing so in good faith.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/19 01:36 AM
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So you have chosen the "explaining how analogies work" option. So the idea here is that there is an underlying concept that the person is trying to showcase so to do that they make the concept far more obvious with an extreme example. It's like using a magnifying glass to make things easier to see (I know this is an analogy, but for most people they're very effective). By calling it an exaggeration you're kind of missing the point. You don't look at a blown up picture of a microscopic organism a…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/19 01:05 AM
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Really trying to decide between explaining how analogies work (the things compared don't have to be on the same scale) or argue that the comparison is on the same scale.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/19 01:43 PM
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Then can I extrapolate that to also mean that everyone can get laid with relative ease or is this unique to people who have an SO?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/19 11:54 PM
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My understanding of your stance is that you feel that whether or not one cheats is 100% dependent on the person and environment cannot possibly influence whether or not they will cheat. Is that a fair representation of your stance?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/19 01:23 AM
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Right, I admit it wasn't a clear explanation, but I think you understand what I mean now.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/19 12:27 AM
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What do you mean? N counts and the 1-10 attractiveness rating are related but not the same. You can have a low n count and be a 9, and you can have a high n count and be a 4. I was using a number to quantify a point. Maybe I should have phrased it like this "if someone who can't get laid period is a 0, then you have to imagine there is someone who can get a girlfriend, but not laid easily who you could call a 1". I wasn't talking about n-count or attractiveness. You did seem to imply "incapable"…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/19 09:51 PM
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There's really not much to expand on. I heard a personality researcher say this is nonsense here.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/19 07:13 AM
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The rating is based on attractiveness, not on n count. You can have an extremely good looking virgin, it won't make him a 0. You're telling me what my arbitrary use of a number means??? And yes, it is debatable that guys are incapable of cheating on their partners cause they're such ugly losers they can only attract 1 girl from all of their surroundings. I'm not saying incapable, I'm saying non-trivial. There's a difference between falling into pussy, casually looking for pussy, and putting a fu…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/19 07:09 AM
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This is bs according to a personality researcher i was listening to.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/19 05:24 AM
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People are 0 in the sense that they have literally never slept with someone. Whether its their own attitude or their looks or not knowing enough women, it doesn't matter. In the same vain just because someone is good enough to sleep with one girl doesn't mean he will find another girl just like her. Lets say they were highschool sweethearts. Anyway my point is that some guys do have a hard time getting laid. Is that really debatable.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/19 05:27 PM
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That's not how it always works. Tempation/opportunity are big factors. I bet there are many guys who will never cheat in their life, but if they were all approached by an aggressive 10/10 and they knew they would get away with it a large chunk of those guys would give in. Even easier to imagine if alcohol or other drugs are involved.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/19 04:40 PM
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The idea is that if you understand that someone can be a 0 (incels) you can imagine someone can be a 2 (has a girlfriend but can't get laid trivially).
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/19 04:37 PM
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if someone is going to cheat on you, nothing you can do can stop them I feel like that's not that realistic. There are plenty of incels that make it clear that not everyone just falls into sex. Some people have to try and if you make it so you aren't interfacing with the opposite sex on the regular you're probably going to dramatically lower the chances you could cheat even if you wanted to (just like incels probably don't know many women and cannot get laid).
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/19 02:15 AM
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Life is pretty great. Enjoy it! So this is what they mean when they say "privilege".
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/19 02:08 PM
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Interestingly I've seen a lot of bi girls say the same thing. They all seem content with one guy for ltr and only want women for sex/friendship. It's kind of an interesting pattern, I wonder if anyone has done any research on it. I also wonder if bi guys have a similar pattern, but I don't know any.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/19 02:00 PM
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the man would take the polyamouros plates over the monogamous one every day of the week. I seriously doubt this. Love is a real thing. I'm currently reading the Iliad and Achilles is doing a lot of dumb shit for one girl when he literally has a whole flock of them and I think we can safely say he wasn't affected by feminist culture.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/19 01:57 PM
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Depends on what you mean by 80/20. One interpretation is that only 20% of men can get casual sex regularly. That doesn't seem that far fetched.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/19 01:50 PM
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When I think incel I'm equating it with blackpill which is technically wrong. One can be an incel trying to improve and get laid (a so called "hopecell") so that would still be redpill.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/19 03:55 AM
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It's really not. That's why they have their own color pill. Incels consider rpers idiots because they are trying to change a destiny not in their control. rpers find incels to be as repulsive as pretty much the rest of the world does because they've given up and refuse to improve themselves. They do agree about certain things about the nature of women, but they come to very different conclusions about how to live their lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/19 03:21 AM
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I guess I fell for it lol
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/19 03:20 AM
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Most women already do this, so I assume you mean marry when they're young and virgins. Which means it has nothing to do with cheating and eveyrthing to do with their own sexual insecurities. That is part of it, but if they weren't hypergamous in the first place they would have just married a man when they were virgins. Commitment is still key, but you're right manosphere guys seem to be really big on virginity. OOH they can choose casual sex to punish women I don't think that's the point. believ…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/19 02:27 AM
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No they said you made a troll thread. They didn't call you anything. Ad hominem is also a logical fallacy meaning they would need to be trying to discredit your point by attacking you, but they are no longer addressing your argument entirely.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/19 02:22 AM
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Ad hominem Lmao, that is not what that means.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/19 01:33 AM
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I think some men (not necessarily rpers) would prefer that women marry and be committed to their looks match. This way every man has a woman and vice-versa and no one cheats. Hypergamy is what rpers say kills this dream. So since commitment is a fantasy in the rp world they also choose not to commit, but for many men not committing means they are sleeping with multiple women. Your response is going to be "how is that moral?" but TRP is not about being moral. That's like right at the top of their…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/19 01:32 AM
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i feel like you're not arguing in good faith
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/19 01:27 AM
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When I asked guys on ppd what their ideal setup would be they pretty much all agreed they wanted one main girl and side hoes. So this is still technically polygamous, but I suspect that men would also pick the best main girl possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/19 01:26 AM
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If it's a huge disadvantage there must be some quality they have to make up for it, but as far as I can see they have the same traits that average+ height guys have.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/19 11:52 PM
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I know a short guy who gets tons of pussy. He's also a former drug dealer (I know trp thinks bad boys are sexy), very charismatic, and confident. As I typed that I just remembered another short guy who does well with women. I don't know him super well, but just from chatting with him you can tell he's charismatic. I find the whole women can't be attracted to short guys thing very hard to believe. It seems a lot more plausible that other factors are also at play.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/19 01:17 AM
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Not that I always agree with her, but she's one of the few people here who doesn't seem like she has an agenda.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/19 11:50 PM
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Most guys I know have at least a phase in their life when they want to get a bunch of casual sex. Some get there fill and get over it (to an extent) and some can't do it and just stick with their girlfriend. A few can't be bothered with the hassle of looking for hookups. That said I don't think any other would refuse a hot woman who wants to sleep with them morality aside.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/19 03:50 PM
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I tend to trust the things my female friends say because they also say a lot of shit that does NOT save face lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/19 02:11 AM
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Also I've never had a single female friend of mine say they ltr'ed a guy who they didn't find attractive even after they split.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/19 03:16 AM
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Oh, I'm not sure I know anyone who has numbers that high tbh. It's hard to say without asking women what their n-count is and that will just get me slapped lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/19 02:38 AM
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She just swiping right on Tinder all day, Then Netflix and chilling? If so, I don't see how that's a very desirable trait either. A fairly high n-count is like 12 right? So if we're talking about someone who is 25 they could have been in 2 LTRs spanning 4 years total and they could have reasonably started having sex at 16. So that's 5 years of slutting up. That would be 2 right swipes every year. So what about this description reveals undesirable traits?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/19 01:30 AM
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I think it's not hard to get laid as a woman just existing in regular life. She may have partied in college though. In any case I only argued that having a high n-count doesn't imply that a girl parties or is extroverted. That's definitely a sign of some mental health issues Your basic premise is that having a high n-count is bad. It really doesn't matter how or why it happened to you because you just find it inherently undesirable.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/19 09:57 AM
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?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/19 01:33 AM
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reasons beyond their control Didn't say anything about not being in their control. Just saying that it doesn't mean that it's because they like to party or are extroverted. I have a friend who is mostly a homebody and she has a high n-count. I have no idea why she used to sleep around. Maybe she's just sexually open and doesn't feel guilt about it? Maybe she was young and horny? Maybe she's insecure and fucking around helps? I really don't know.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/19 12:29 AM
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That's a nice logical reason, but I don't get the sense that you were all for sluts until you one day read a study about pair bonding that completely turned your view on women around.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/19 03:19 AM
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The reason I probably wouldn't date a woman with a "high count" is not because I think of them in a bad way but simply because I believe we wouldn't fit together. For example a woman who dates a lot and has sex with lots of guys presumably likes to party a lot too. She probably likes going out a lot, going to nightclubs and stuff like that. Contrary to that, I am very much a homebody. I do enjoy going out for dinner or movie dates but I don't enjoy doing anything "wild". I'm not into bars or nig…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/19 03:15 AM
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According to the law if you aborted a baby by getting it out of the woman's womb, but it actually lived and was able to survive with medical help. Would either or both the man and woman be responsible for that child? If so, doesn't that kind of prove that the abortion issue is separate from the responsibility for a child issue?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/19 02:00 AM
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I actually found his perspective pretty reasonable. If anything I think he fucked up having a first child with a woman who is as unstable as he claims she is. And rather than demanding she be better at sex he should demand that she seriously work on her insecurity perhaps through therapy, because that shit will be grating no matter how good the sex is.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/19 01:33 AM
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Then why can't I smoke crack?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/19 12:57 AM
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Most people DON'T want to talk to you though That hasn't been my experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/19 04:20 PM
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Yeah, no. Waiting for someone else to approach is most likely going to filter for guys who are just looking to fuck. If you approach the quiet, quirky guy he very likely would be happy with having a gf.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/19 01:44 AM
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Social circle > cold approach, but if you can cold approach well you are probably going to do better with women than people can't. Cold approach teaches you that people actually want to talk to you and that opens a whole world of options as far as social connections go, not just for picking up women.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/19 01:42 AM
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they accept food for prices that aren't very advantageous to the farmer So basically this farmer has been wrongly taught since childhood that selling food at a loss is the right way to farm and soon she will eventually go out of business and be unable to support herself. How wouldn't it be immoral to partake in this? By your moral standard it is totally reasonable to go around taking advantage of every person who is weak, desperate, or uninformed. In that world you're consistently profiting off …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/19 06:19 PM
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Nothing is ever gender specific, but this is definitely skewed heavily towards women.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/19 06:46 PM
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What do you think a moral code is for if not positively impacting the lives of people? Also most people generally feel that actively doing something that hurts someone is immoral while not doing something that benefits others is neutral (i.e. taking someone's food is bad, but not giving food to the homeless is acceptable).
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/19 12:52 AM
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It's very hard for a women to be 5/10 without being fat and/or just not taking care of her appearance. It's hard to imagine this girl who is amazing in every other way somehow can't manage to be presentable or stick to a diet. 7/10 is much more realistic for this example and obviously most guys looking for a LTR would take that deal.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/19 10:05 AM
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Maybe I misunderstand your definition of the word "responsibility". I think it's immoral to punch someone in the face for no reason, but I don't think that makes me responsible for them. In my book if you do something that you know is going to negatively impact someone's life that is immoral.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/19 10:44 PM
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How does it have nothing to do with the discussion? The discussion is about what responsibility men have in deciding a woman's life for her. No it doesn't. You'll actually find that responsibility is a word that doesn't even show up in the OP. Nor do you actually see anything about deciding anything for anyone. Do you believe random men should be forced to educate random women? You have no duty to a woman. You may also notice the words duty and education don't show up in the OP. Weird how your a…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/19 03:26 PM
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What about my post where all I did was mock you make you think I didn't realize that? Is this the level of reading comprehension I'm arguing with?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/19 03:22 PM
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Really has nothing to do with the discussion. That's actually what a strawman is. When you argue against a point that no one was making.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/19 09:12 AM
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Why stop with the stawmen there? You can also say male sexuality is like mugging too! And if people don't understand how analogies work they may really find that point convincing!
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/19 09:10 AM
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Just like the old argument that drug dealers are totally innocent because it's the fiend's choice and someone else would have sold the drugs to them anyway. My friend actually gave me a great analogy as well: if you mug someone, because they were walking around at night with lots of expensive shit on in a bad neighborhood you can say "they were asking for it" and "someone will do it", but that doesn't change the fact that you mugged someone which is definitely immoral. Women are autonomous human…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/19 04:11 PM
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Fair enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/19 08:56 AM
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pedo is a term for adults This is actually not the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/19 08:23 AM
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You'd be surprised. People communicate a lot about themselves with body language, facial expressions, style, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/19 07:02 PM
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https://www.polygon.com/2015/12/15/10212980/pew-surveys-the-american-public-in-gaming-and-gamers- 50% of men play video games And that's considering all men. 20s and 30s for sure mostly play video games. No women is going to know you Ran a 5k if she shuts you down before you opened your mouth You'd be surprised. People communicate a lot about themselves with body language, facial expressions, style, etc. Other times, you can get ignored and they pretend you aren't even there. Keep in mind that w…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/19 06:37 PM
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I am not attractive enough to attract the type of man that I want It's either wait or lower your standards
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/19 05:53 PM
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Every single programmer I know.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/19 05:46 PM
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a man would be far less likely Not convinced on this. Lying is cheap. If you're cheating you're already lying anyway. Spewing some nonsense is just smart strategically if you already got caught since what is there to lose? Also in the case you provided, while I don't think it's a good excuse, I don't think she's lying. I'm sure she had genuine internal conflicts and probably was on some "journey of self discovery" where the discovery is that she wants a different dick. I don't care how good mono…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/18 10:46 AM
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It kind of brings up the question of gender her. Gender or more specifically femininity's definition seems to change with time. Waist to hip ratio seems timeless, but even then there are plenty of guys who like stick figure women. I wonder if men are attracted purely to having a vagina or is it based on what society determines is feminine? If it's that malleable what does it really even mean to be straight?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/18 07:50 PM
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Text is an easier than face-to-face. You can hide your facial expressions, your posture, your gut reactions, etc. I admit that looks play a part, but if you have shit social skills and 8/10 looks you're going to lose out to the guy with good social skills who is 6/10 looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/18 03:53 AM
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Who says straight women don't watch lesbian porn? How is 28% of porn viewership "not much"?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/18 03:37 AM
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I'm not convinced. I would want to see data. I searched, but pornhub doesn't have an easy way to distinguish by gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/18 03:35 AM
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They imagine them as being submissive and traditional unlike western women.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/18 03:25 AM
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What's the difference for you? Why would something that attracts you in porn not attract you irl?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/18 03:23 AM
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I think it's ridiculous to try to sum up human attraction to a few easily identifiable traits. Due to the social component of attraction it's never going to be as simple as "men like teens" or "men like milfs". I have no idea why milfs are popular now, but as someone who finds milfs attractive I associate teens with being insecurity. I find that really unattractive. The stereotype of a mature woman who knows what they like sexually, isn't afraid to tell you, and doesn't need your constant valida…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/18 03:19 AM
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I definitely have lack of trying.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/18 03:47 AM
1

Half of those were more than hey
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/18 01:31 AM
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I've tested it with a fake girl's photo and while guys aren't all that clever on average they do put forth an effort. That has never been my experience as a guy from girls.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/18 10:28 PM
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Is that what vegan yoga girls go for typically? I worked in software and most of the girls my coworkers were with were other nerds.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/18 09:34 AM
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Doesn't matter. Sexual harassment shouldn't be tolerated period. If it makes it harder for women to get to higher positions then that's a separate issue to be dealt with. Also I think we're currently seeing an overreaction to metoo because it's a new environment. Things will figure themselves out over time, but they'll look hectic in the short term. Also I think the men interviewed in these articles are either being incredibly disingenuous or were abusing their power before and now feel paranoid…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/18 08:12 PM
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Why is the alpha guy automatically cool and funny? Have you ever thought about that? By definition. Why would a beta have barely any character? You think a beta male can't be funny or have character By definition the beta is hiding these traits. If they didn't hide their character they wouldn't be beta. he's non-confrontational and lacks physical strength Being alpha doesn't mean you have to be a dick or that you are the largest person in the room. I'm fairly well built, but it doesn't stop me f…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/18 08:07 PM
2

When has a women ever said they want an unattractive man?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/18 06:58 PM
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I just don't understand your point. Everyone knows this. Even the most brainwashed blue pillers knows that attraction matters.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/18 06:27 PM
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Looks don't matter and attraction doesn't matter are two wildly different statements. Attraction doesn't matter isn't even coherent. "I'm attracted to unattractive guys" - no person ever. What exactly should a woman be looking for in a man?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/18 05:59 PM
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Are they not allowed to be attracted? I don't think anyone would find what you said contentious.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/18 05:48 PM
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Not sure what the blackpill looks obsession is about but it does come down to attraction but it's primarily who the person is in total. Honestly as a straight guy I would prefer to hang out with a cool, funny alpha then some pushover beta with barely any character. Now I will still hang out with that beta because I know there's more there, I'm nice, and I want to help him realize more of his potential. Why would a woman show that kind of charity when she's picking the father of her child?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/18 05:47 PM
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love lol resources While getting food from the dumpster is a viable option it is typically not one's first choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/18 08:25 AM
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Why would women want betas to have more information? This simply gives the beta more tools to deceive her.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/18 06:23 PM
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My observation is that women primarily function as a part of some kind of group. To women actions that don't somehow affect their standing in their group don't have a purpose and going out into a world outside of their group is dangerous. That group can be online if they don't have one irl, but that requires commitment and lack of anonymity. Smaller communities on reddit can actually provide this. Guys don't have this hang up so they just go wherever there interests direct them and sometimes tho…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/18 09:49 AM
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What is your point?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/18 09:02 AM
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No i mean the correlation of virgins not divorcing, etc is not necessarily a causal relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/18 04:33 AM
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Correlation is not causation.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/18 11:37 PM
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So they live in the suburbs? I don't the average millennial has achieved the house in the burbs dream. Edit: a quick google search suggested that it isn't my imagination that fewer people are in a relationship in my generation than previous ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/18 12:27 AM
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Do you think your forefathers made the world what it is by being moron hedonists? Yeah basically. But now you get to burn down millennia of their work for some wet pussy The only threats I see to their milennia of work is global warming and nuclear war. No idea what either of those have to do with pussy.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/18 12:26 AM
1

I'm lumping all positive feelings together when I say happiness.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/18 09:57 PM
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If you asked a random group of feminists if you have to be attracted to fat women I'm pretty sure they would say no.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/18 09:44 PM
1

For what purpose?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/18 09:42 PM
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Perhaps you're older and maybe the southwest is a different beast. I'm from the northeast and based on my friends' experiences dating is a cruel beast. Some have figured it out but it feels like a 50% success rate which is a large number of unhappy people. Admittedly nyc is notoriously bad for dating and perhaps my sample is biased towards people who struggle with attraction or commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/18 09:42 PM
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If your goto argument is a strawman it makes your whole view look questionable.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/18 09:21 PM
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What part of the world do you live in? I know maybe 2 good couples and that's assuming they don't just hate eachother behind closed doors. Generally it seems like dating is incredibly difficult, locking down a long term SO is difficult, and for some of my friends even losing their virginity is difficult.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/18 09:19 PM
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What else is there besides happiness?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/18 09:15 PM
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I think current culture may be asking people to repress their animal nature too much and trp is a reaction to that. They go too far in the other direction and reduce all humans to nothing but animals. Blue pillers probably started off with a good balance of feeding their animal nature and still fulfilling their role in society so they don't see an issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/18 07:47 PM
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I don't understand it so it must make no sense
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/18 07:43 PM
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Oh, but not any more I take it since you guys are married?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/18 02:39 AM
1

Intriguing? What is intriguing about it?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/18 01:12 AM
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I'm no relationship expert but I just imagine an unhealthy relationship where you both become too into each other. Could breed irrational jealousy, dependence, and it could make one of you unwilling to leave when the other treats you like shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/18 03:43 AM
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Ask yourself why you feel it necessary to be with someone 100% of the time and to shower them with compliments. What are you seeking from the other person that you lack internally? Alternatively you can just date a clingy girl, but that is a dangerous road.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/18 02:26 AM
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I like the losing the mind part, don't care so much about the power. I'll admit that most of my sex had power play but that was because the girl asked for it and again I'm really into the girl being into it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/18 05:31 AM
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What's all the shipping gay couples about?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/18 05:13 AM
2

Waaaay too low body fat for a maintainable lifestyle.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/18 02:43 AM
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Reading that as "opinion has shifted from being in support of victims to being against victims" is a totally reasonable way to interpret the headline. I certainly wouldn't have phrased it as it was in the title for total clarity.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/18 07:52 PM
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I honestly doubt it will have any effect on his success.
/r/seduction21/09/18 06:10 PM
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All this time rpers should have been looking to the goths for their low n-count, virtuous angels. ​ Ok so my goth curiosity is less like curiosity and more like I think goth fashion is super hot and I thought they went extinct so now I'm wondering how one locates their local goth scene. I completely understand if you don't want to out your people to a random internet creep, but yeah feel free to hook me up with some direction.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/18 08:53 AM
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Yeah I just skimmed through the first couple of reviews and only a few mention the bdsm/sex. They seem more into the idea of the characters and it seems like the bdsm gets completely removed after the first book. Random question, since you're goth I assume you hang out with a bunch of sinilar people. Do you find that crowd to be more sexually adventurous/open?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/18 12:18 AM
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I hadn't actually read it, that's interesting. I'll probably check out some reviews to see what people enjoyed about it exactly.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/18 08:59 PM
1

Really? Based on what?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/18 10:32 PM
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Hard to say but like op mentioned 50 shades of gray was hugely successful for a reason. Sex does seem to be strongly based on one's perceptions so I don't think different people would ever have exactly the same preferences because they have different biases, beliefs, etc. You may just be wired in such a way where weirdness in sex isn't a turn on. And maybe so many people in the west find the taboo aspect of sex arousing because we're also taught that sex is bad. Maybe we wouldn't feel that way i…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/18 10:31 PM
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Interesting, I think you may be an outlier here. At least in the context of the west. I wonder if people from eastern or african cultures have a different experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/18 08:31 PM
1

That's hella rude
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/18 08:27 PM
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I have not had this be my experience but my sample is biased towards ons and similarly casual relationships. Every single girl I've been with wanted some kind of dominance from me (maybe one exception?). Nothing out of the ordinary but spanking, light choking, calling me daddy, etc. Are you saying you don't care for any of those kind of things?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/18 07:40 PM
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I still feel confident that men will want the validation.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/18 08:33 AM
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You can already exchange money for sex. Men want thr validation of sex as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/18 02:21 PM
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Hard to say. Once you have a pattern of thinking ingrained its incredibly hard to retrain. Doesn't make a whole lot of sense to spend tons of effort trying to ungay yourself though. Also I notice with most bi people they aren't 50/50 bi and they typically have only one sex they would stay with long term. So even if you could het a gay guy to fuck girls he'd probably still want to marry/ltr a guy eventually.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/18 05:25 AM
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Bruh there's a lot of shit in the side bar. There's a limit to how much I'm gonna read for fun.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/18 03:24 AM
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I find this to be true, but no one on rp ever acknowledges it. Its like they hate the concept of nuance.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/18 01:59 AM
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I have two female frienda who do this with their boyfriend/husband. It's a natural progression of being bi and open. They just fuck though, not full on dating like op.
/r/seduction11/09/18 10:08 PM
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Oh my god this was nyt??? I thought it was some personal blog lmao. I don't know what her editor was thinking. I suspect this woman will continue to engage in casual sex and get over her hang ups about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/18 11:31 PM
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Fair enough, but I don't think some whining means she isn't cut out for it. She's probably already back on tinder as we speak.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/18 11:29 PM
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That's like saying you can't drink if you complain about the hangover the next day.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/18 09:24 PM
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She's trying to understand her emotions which is good. That's a key first step to self awareness and objectivity. The problem is thinking the way the world works should be dictated purely by how she feels. Finding consent misleading should have no bearing on people asking for consent because asking plays an all important role in not raping people, which I think is more important.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/18 09:23 PM
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Nobody FEELS confidence as an emotion I'm the only person who feels this! I must be a god!
/r/seduction08/09/18 01:01 AM
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Nobody FEELS confidence as an emotion I'm the only person who feels this! I must be a god!
/r/seduction08/09/18 01:01 AM
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I got nudes from one and she was absolutely dtf if we lived anywhere near eachother. The other I think was interested but I didn't pursue much because she had religious hangups and I don't fuck with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/18 02:31 AM
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That's kind of interesting to me because lonely women I've hit up over the internet have been very receptive and looks don't play a part there and I'm not particularly charming. I wonder if they're just overwhelmed in those scenarios.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/18 11:43 PM
1

I think everybody here is a fucking moron Then you're exactly like everyone else here.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/18 11:59 PM
1

So you're narrative is, that of guys simply didn't send a message so quickly women would respond to all the time? Have you used a dating app?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/18 11:15 PM
1

But you said pain is good. Shouldn't torture be good then?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/18 11:14 PM
3

So you're going to ignore the article I linked?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/18 06:56 PM
1

Evil just from your perspective? Is there any bad consequence to being evil or is it just bad in it's own right?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/18 06:53 PM
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Utilitarian hedonists think they’re finding what makes people happy but actually are just doing the same thing that people who don’t know what they want are doing I'm not talking about what people do, I'm talking about the philosophy in it's own right. It's purpose is to maximize pleasure. Whether or not people do it correctly isn't my point. That’s partly because yes some people need to be trampled in order for others to feel happy Even if that were true it's still utilitarian. You are saying t…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/18 06:21 PM
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http://advances.sciencemag.org/content/4/8/eaap9815 However, a defining feature of heterosexual online dating is that, in the vast majority of cases, it is men who establish the first contact—more than 80% of first messages are from men in our data set. The bumble thing is anecdotal, but you can just go to r/tinder or r/bumble and you will hear that anecdote repeated a bunch.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/18 06:13 PM
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You don’t immediately gain anything from pain, destruction or asceticism, there’s only loss and suffering which is the point Ok, but there is a point and it sounds like you gain something eventually. What is the point or what do you eventually gain? the goal is usually utopian hedonism Maybe, but if it doesn't actually lead to positive outcomes for everyone then it's not actually hedonism. I’m naturally bored by these ideas Boredom is a form of pain. What makes this pain so much more worth avoid…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/18 06:03 PM
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I'll assume when you say "most men" you mean white, middle-class, western men, because otherwise your view is just wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/18 05:52 PM
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Using bumble as proof is pretty ridiculous. Firstly there's not much risk in messaging first on dating apps since the person has already shown interest in you. Despite this the vast majority of women do not message first. Even on bumble where they literally have to message first they just throw out a "hey" 90% of the time, again minimizing risk. Side note: I do think in a fantastical world where men stopped approaching, women would approach. RPers underestimate human's ability to adapt.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/18 05:51 PM
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I value things like pain, ascetism, destruction etc... ​ What do you hope to gain from these things? ​ Nietzschean romanticism ​ I know nothing about Nietzsche, could you explain? ​ Watching the strong trample the weak doesn’t bother me, neither does watching the strong fall off their thrones ​ I assume this holds even if you are the weak or strong person in these scenarios? ​ Tragedy is essential ​ Essential for what?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/18 09:14 PM
1

What about it can't you stand? What is your position?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/18 01:03 AM
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I think everyone is basically a utilitarian hedonist they're just bad at it sometimes. I'd consider myself a moral relativist, but I also think people should work together to maximize our collective well-being just because it's in our mutual best interest. edit: To be clear, no one just says they want equality for equality's sake. They expect that there will be some benefit that comes with it implicitly.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/18 08:13 PM
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Not to interrupt the circlejerk, but my main skepticism about feminism as it's currently presented is that I question if feminism is really optimizing for women's well-being in general. If it does not do that, then it's pointless imo.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/18 06:56 PM
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If a girl can only have sex with bottom of the barrel guys she is clearly incredibly low value. How is this different?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/18 03:43 PM
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When I present this option to incels they never mention legality or moral issue. They just get offended by the suggestion. That says to me that they want sex but they want it in a way that validates their value. Seems very similar to picky girls imo.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/18 05:42 PM
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And there are no incels, just men who refuse to pay for pussy.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/18 02:47 PM
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If you have to tell someone that something matters then it doesn't really matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/18 07:41 PM
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I'm not convinced this has anything to do with PPD. All that matters here is that there are sex differences, which I think everyone would agree there are.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/18 07:48 PM
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I wasn't comparing to porn.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/18 03:44 AM
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I don't think porn is to blame for male sexual preferences any more than romance novels or what ever it is women read that makes them believe most men actually enjoy going down on them and spending hours on foreplay. I don't see why both of these things can't be true. Porn is absolutely not realistic. It never pretends to be. Romance novels are the same way. Without wisdom a person could be misled into feeling either of those mediums represent real life and they would be wrong. My experience is …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/18 03:19 AM
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I think this is a problem with porn not with women. That said what do you think makes sex good for a guy? Imo all that matters is that she is visibly into it and that she's attractive. I'm a little biased because I don't appreciate some extra stuff some women do like licking my nipple/ear/etc. I'd like to hear how yoy differ.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/18 12:42 AM
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Thinking about it my female friends don't talk about sex with their SO much. Its usually past or current hookups. So if you aren't hooking up or are in a relationship there's probably not much to talk about. It's true that "all" will never really mean all, but I think rp thinks in general terms. "Generally women are like that" is probably more accurate. If you can disprove that you disprove rp altogether.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/18 09:46 PM
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In a relationship I could see that. A single guy I think will be happy if they're getting laid at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/18 09:41 PM
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I'm not sure how this is news but different social groups vary dramatically in behavior. For young, liberal women who live in cities talking about sex is totally fine now. Maybe for older, conservative women it's still taboo? I don't know, I have never been in that world.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/18 07:00 PM
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Women just have to do a lot less in bed. They can suck at giving blowjobs but beyond that it really doesn't matter. If she's into it and you're attracted to her that's 90 percent of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/18 06:57 PM
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Yes there was an article I read the other day about how when women say "bad sex" they mean painful and not totally consensual. Men just mean it wasn't great but got the job done.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/18 06:55 PM
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Get along? I thought physical attraction was the only factor?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/18 12:00 AM
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Lots of men have phds and good jobs and are quite unhapoy too. This isn't a uniquely female thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/18 06:00 PM
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I have never met another guy say anything like this in real life. And it's not dor appearances, guys really get into it when they talk about basic standards they have for their SO. Would you date a ghetto chick who was attractive to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/18 05:58 PM
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Yes
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/18 05:34 PM
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If you don't take people's feelings and concerns seriously they are going to act out in some fashion. Sometimes they hurt themselves, hurt others, or just disengage completely.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/18 03:49 PM
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It's not the advice that rp gives that is powerful, it's the explanation. When you understand why you should do something it makes it much easier to commit to.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 01:50 PM
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This doesn't make much sense to me. Perhaps this is due to the biases that exist in software, but bosses seem to want to prey of the free time of young bachelors. Having a wife and kids means they have to actually respect your boundaries.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/18 05:59 PM
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Yeah I agree she is the common factor. Being aware of a problem and how you perpetuate it is an essential first step. If she just looks at it with a victim complex nothing changes. If she sees the pattern and works on herself while avoiding falling for the same trap her life improves.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/18 12:33 AM
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I'm gonna need to see this "science", because I have heard quite the opposite.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/18 04:39 PM
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Where was there any blame? She is just trying to understand why her SO won't have sex with her and it seems her first guess is that he doesn't find her attractive. She doesn't sound unwilling to troubleshoot, but when she tries to engage him he just brushes her off. Are you telling me if the genders were reversed here you wouldn't be calling for the man to divorce the woman who's withholding sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/18 04:34 PM
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Or maybe she's damaged and is attracted to damaged people which is exactly consistent with her post history and a commonly observed phenomenon.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/18 04:02 PM
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Of all the myriad, nigh-infinite possible reasons why her SO is having issues why do you assume that all his problems are because of her? This is the same dumb shit feminists do when they externalize every single problem to the patriarchy, now you're just doing the same thing in reverse. I guess you think men are simply children totally beholden to their cruel, female masters?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/18 04:00 PM
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So basically everything she says that doesn't fit your narrative is a lie?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/18 03:57 PM
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They CAN have a good happy marriage too RPers don't believe this. They think people (or maybe women specifically?) lose their ability to pair bond with greater number of partners. They also think that most guys in marriages in the west are not happy and are getting the short end of the stick. They just LIKE egging houses. Perhaps, but if you ignore the rest of the context of why they're doing it you really miss the motivation. Treating people like they are just assholes for assholery's sake isn'…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/18 08:48 PM
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They actively discourage and ignore selective behaviors - “pushing through LMR” is a pretty obvious example Again this is part of playing a game that many of them would prefer not to play at all. In an ideal world for many RPers they would never have to push through LMR, instead they would have a doting wife who happily has sex with them without them having to push at all. It’s like these idiots are going around egging houses and then they get mad that so many houses in their neighborhood have e…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/18 05:20 PM
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Just seems like an indicator of latent self hatred. Well yeah. They would prefer not to give the sales pitch at all. They would prefer that the woman refuse his and all other dicks aside from the one she will commit to for life, but since that isn't reality they settle with "you really shouldn't have sex with dudes who won't commit, but if you're going to do it anyway might as well be with me." It's not an enthusiastic sales pitch, but it's what they feel is the only reasonable option left. Dude…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/18 04:06 PM
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This is kinda why it’s retarded that men who spin plates complain about high N counts — because they’re the ones MAKING these women. That's not how it goes. From an RP perspective: women have high N-counts/aren't marriage material -> i'm upset about this, but rather than stay mad I will simply adapt to the situation by spinning plates. In the RPers mind they are simply playing optimally in a game women set up.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/18 03:51 PM
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I am of the male gender, it's pretty clear the rpers just want the upper hand. Nothing about what they describe in an ideal relationship sounds "equal". And it makes sense, if you can have all the power why wouldn't you take it?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/18 03:45 PM
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entitled What does that word even mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/18 01:05 AM
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Nah, the guys who get the most tail just spend a lot of time chasing tail. Not lifting, not working on social skills, not increasing value. Just going out and hitting on girls relentlessly. No passive, inner game bs is going to surpass a guy who just goes and talks to a bunch of girls every weekend.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/18 01:09 PM
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It's really not. Life's only goal is to continue itself and it does that through reproduction. Thus sex is incredibly important. People kill for sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/18 01:03 PM
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I've heard people say that but since I haven't really experienced it much I find it hard to believe. Particularly for core beliefs like those around love and relationships. I was reading a thread on reddit the other day where women were lementing the that most men still get crushes while in relationships. They have this really idealized picture of what love is supposed to look like. I find it hard to imagine these women ever bothering with a string of flings just because I doubt it would ever be…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/18 01:26 AM
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It's not about being serious, idk why you don't eat pints of ice cream anymore but I also no longer do it because I remember all the times I did it before and not liking the results. All that's different now is I have experience. I'll admit that my earlier description is overly simple for example a girl might just not have the option to be in a relationship so being a slut is just what she does in mean time or maybe she sluts it up finds she doesn't enjoy it and stops. I'd still expect most wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/18 01:06 AM
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I would guess that women who take intimacy really seriously are better suited to long term monogynous relationships. If you think about it, it's kind of weird to go from being a "slut" to a wife. Either you didn't really want to be a slut or you don't really want to be a wife.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/18 05:10 PM
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Yeah same. My approaches have been met with like 90% percent positive reception outside of clubs/bars. Weirdly I still always imagine every approach becoming a blowout which hampers my ability to do so.
/r/seduction27/06/18 01:38 AM
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Something else I notice from naturals is thay they have some expectation that the person they are speaking to will be receptive. I also notice that they kind of just assume they are now friends with who they are talking to. I.e. letting you in on a secret or saying something you can't really say out loud. It just seems like they have the general view of the world that people are cool and they are cool so people will be cool with them.
/r/seduction27/06/18 01:02 AM
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TRP tells me that women initiate divorce so a simple explanation could be if a woman was just in a shitty marriage she probably isn't hot on going into another one. If the man was just divorced against his will it only makes sense that he should simply find a better woman to continue marriage with.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/18 09:01 AM
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Most dudes who have kids, even if they wanted an abortion to begin with, aren't just going to completely abandon their kid. hahaha...HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/18 06:23 PM
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it is not some vague "right to opt out of parenting obligations" movement. But opting out of parenthood is the primary reason people get abortions. It's not like Planned Parenthood (note the name) offers abortions because they want girls to keep their figure.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/18 06:21 PM
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I never thought chores were so arduous lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/18 05:52 PM
3

Solid communication style
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/18 05:44 PM
1

Usually when I hear an anecdote that contradicts my anecdote, I try to call my anecdote into question, because anecdotes are notoriously inaccurate. That's just me though.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/18 05:39 PM
1

You've never heard a girl complain about being hit on???
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/18 12:05 AM
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Missed a word. My bad. Although I don't really understand your post in that case. If sex is a big deal and they were being sluts shouldn't they regret it?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/18 05:29 PM
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The women I know who had slut phases have never shown any regret about it. I have one friend who likes to tease her husband with this fact. I can't know if they internally regret it, but put on a mask because our friend group is prosex, but I can't say I see any evidence that they regret it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/18 05:17 PM
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Because I was a human child and that's how our minds work? Masculinity is a cultural concept and I am simply communicating how that concept was defined in my culture. Maybe you experienced a different culture growing up that had a healthier image of masculinity. That's fantastic, but rest assured, we did not all get that.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/18 05:10 PM
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Working 12 hour days to provide for your family shows concern for the well-being of others. This sounds like a stretch. I see people with no dependants working 12 hours a day for the sake of their own success. Also in the culture I was raised in the overworking father is often the one who neglects his family for the sake of his career. The overworking husband is also often the one that cheats. I'm not saying this is what happens in reality but this is the picture painted for me when I grew up mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/18 04:49 PM
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I'm a 90s baby from the east coast US. Compassion and empathy are NOT part of what I learned to be traditionally masculine. Also when we talk about toxic masculinity those traits are of course excluded.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/18 03:52 PM
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I always hate these "its men's 'fault' or women's 'fault'" as if the sexes are political parties and not simply playing different roles in the same society. Rather than talk about fault I'd be interested in a deeper dive into what's going on here. Firstly the stereotype of women going for the badboy is just nowhere near universal. There are so very many women who value things like compassion and empathy along with traditionally masculine, but NOT toxic traits like ability to lead. What is happen…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/18 03:22 PM
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It's an expression of female agency. Sounds feminist to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/18 03:14 PM
1

I didn't say anyone said "don't do it". It's just the way some guys interpret it. You can blame it on the those guys being beta if that sounds more acceptable.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/18 03:07 PM
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Of course everyone is shaped by their environment and genetics. My intention wasn't to blame black women, but to note that we aren't talking about a country wide problem. Also it has to be ok to talk about how culture influences wellbeing as its one of the primary influences on behavior ("I do it because everyone else does it"). It seems deafist to just say "oh well it's caused by economic factors so we can't do anything until we fix that" and throw up our hands. Who knows maybe with better heal…
/r/TheRedPill18/06/18 03:04 PM
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I don't think it would come from articles. More likely from just talking to women. Like in the approach example it's pretty typical to hear a women complain about some creepy guy trying to hit on them and guys around her may interpret this as "hitting on girls is creepy, don't do it".
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/18 06:33 AM
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A lot of the factors named in that article were culture relatee including the perception that higher bmi is more attractive, not wanting excersise to affect their hair, and encouragement to gain weight while pregnant.
/r/TheRedPill18/06/18 06:08 AM
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How does one "teach how to behave"? If you can answer this question you can solve all the world's issues trivially. We usually know what to do but have no idea how to actually get people to do it.
/r/TheRedPill17/06/18 11:26 PM
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I'm always curious about what is different between people who make the right decision at that critical moment and those who don't. Like the urge to eat fast food comes and you can decide to give in or go with your plan of making something interesting. What makes people go one way or the other is what I always wonder.
/r/TheRedPill17/06/18 11:24 PM
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This is counter to the "men are the real romantics" narrative.
/r/TheRedPill17/06/18 09:11 PM
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Took a very quick look at the data and it looks like the difference is made up completely by black women. This implies something specific about black culture.
/r/TheRedPill17/06/18 09:10 PM
5

creepy Please stop Treating people like children is good advice in general. The main difference between kids and adults is that adults know how to mask/supress their childish instincts much better, but they're still there. They still like to be played with, listened to, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/18 07:01 PM
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I think its a combination of both answers.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/18 06:59 PM
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I feel like this sense that people are all assholes is actually just a lack of empathy from the one's judging mixed with genuine flaws. I don't run into many people who I don't like but I run into tons of people who have large swaths of the population they don't like.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/18 05:57 AM
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It's still good to confirm these assumptions with data though.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/18 04:19 PM
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There's a lot of variance involved in what does and does not get upvoted. I would believe that there's a gender bias but one post isn't convincing evidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/18 08:54 AM
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PUA beginner basics includes showing intent. The thing you're supposed to avoid is seeming needy/desperate.
/r/seduction09/06/18 02:54 PM
1

If i'm bored at home it's due to a lack of motivation. I could read, learn new skills, volunteer, start a sode business. There's really no end to your options when you have no job.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/18 11:12 PM
5

What would you do with 110 wives,?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/18 04:23 PM
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Every one of my friends who I asked about this would love to stay at home. My goal is to make enough money that I can stay at home myself and I know tons of people with the same goal. Who the fuck wants to work?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/18 05:34 AM
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There's a shocking lack of hips a thread about perfect bodies. I suspect it's because white/asian people value boobs over ass and any reddit bored is going to predominantly those demographics.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/18 02:10 PM
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It's likely psychological, you which I think is a big part of attraction anyway. We perceive fake boobs as fake and attach negative qualities to people who get them and thus become less attracted to them. Personally I don't like the ball shaped boob in general, my ideal would be no implants and no bras.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/18 02:08 PM
1

They do when there's alcohol involved. Recently met someone who straight up asked to fuck and she was stone sober but this is a real rarity. I'm not chad either, but I have decent looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/18 01:58 PM
1

Awesome. It's not always easy to communicate why your passion is awesome but you are a human and it satisfies you on some level so if you can get the person to relate to the feelings behind your passion as opposed to the technical details it helps a lot.
/r/seduction29/05/18 01:09 AM
1

That's assuming a good relationship is an option. It's excessively defeatist to assume that a good case scenario is impossible. Over the course of your lifetime it should be at least possible to find a good relationship. Probably? I'm quite happy with my hobbies and interests, I don't think they're worthless. But they'd be quite boring to 99% of female population. Your enthusiasm for your passions matters more than what the passions are. Do you think every girl an athlete sleeps with is interest…
/r/seduction28/05/18 11:42 PM
1

So the group of people that we can all visibly see doesn't count, but this secret group of guys fucking guys when they have a dry spell is the actual norm?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/18 10:13 PM
1

Ah the old "its common knowledge" argument. Well as common as it is I haven't personally witnessed it ever. I don't doubt that it happens but I'm less convinced it's as rampant as you're making it out to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/18 10:11 PM
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The incels, while very angry and frustrated, don't make any mention of sleeping with men. It is possible that everyone I know who has hit a dry spell has been secretly doing weird/dumb shit to get laid but it seems unlikely. I think the vast majority of single people just don't get laid often and deal with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/18 10:50 PM
5

What do you imagine happens when a person with high sex drive is forced to go without sex for a few months? Do you think they implode?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/18 07:39 PM
1

I don't think sexual need exists in an emotional vacuum for humans. This is why incels refuse to simply buy a prostitute.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/18 07:38 PM
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Work on finding a relationship. Going months without sex is not going to kill anyone, it happens all the time to single people male and female.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/18 03:36 PM
6

Having a high sex drive doesn't make someone a slut. In fact the easiest way to satisfy a high sex drive is being in a committed relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/18 02:41 PM
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He's a bitch
/r/seduction19/05/18 10:49 PM
3

Idk about personality but I see plenty of good/decent looking 30s women on tinder. Probably depends on region. I could see that description being common in the south/midwest.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/18 10:47 PM
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Some good old fashioned reductionist redpill thinking where the narrative is told from the perspective that the real problem is already known i.e. it's feminisms fault. This chick could be lightly autistic. Could be ugly as sin. Could be a pompous asshole. There's really no shortage of reasons why she's single and there's also no shortage of reasons why she is unhappy. How's her relationship with her family? Does she have a reliable group of friends? Does she find her work satisfying/fulfilling?…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/18 07:49 PM
1

So you basically think there's a right way to be attracted to women and most people aren't doing it properly?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/18 01:16 AM
1

Why choose between a poor relationship and being lonely when you could just have a good relationship? A prostitute could give me sex but not the feeling of being wanted. Your girlfriend is not obligated to make you feel wanted. See: dead bedrooms. It's not really that my sense of worth is low but I know that any woman could easily find a man who's better looking, more interesting and more socially experienced - just generally better - than me. So why would any girl waste her time with me? Those …
/r/seduction26/04/18 02:54 PM
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We've all seen porn with hot girls wearing something sexy at the start of the video. And I guess it's possible that every guy who finds a women sexy in some clothes is gay but I feel like that's a reach.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/18 02:38 PM
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A prostitute could give you that. See this is what I mean if your standards are that low and your sense of self worth is that low aren't those things worth working on seriously? I feel confident in saying that no relationship is better than a bad one.
/r/seduction26/04/18 12:22 AM
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So what exactly do you think love is and what about men makes them capable of participating in it?
/r/TheRedPill25/04/18 06:52 PM
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Disclaimer: I don't actually want a life partner so this is theoretical. I would for sure want a woman who doesn't need me. If she needs me then she is dependent on me and using up my resources (not just money, but time and mental energy) just so she can be ok. She's basically just a drain. Instead I would want someone who is with me because they feel we are stronger together as a unit. Someone who is strong on their own and can add their strength to mine so that we can accomplish something toge…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/18 06:02 PM
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Idk what to tell you bro. Ask your homies which they think is hotter. You may be surprised.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/18 03:50 PM
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Luck does play a factor. Also if you're under 21 then it may just be a matter of time. Hard to say exactly without having the full context. I don't think I'd be that picky... You wouldn't be picky about your significant other? What exactly are you expecting them to give you if you have no requirements?
/r/seduction25/04/18 12:27 AM
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While these women certainly fall towards the extreme, do you think we as a society have a crisis of personal significance to some extent? Yeah, but I'm not sure how that's related to TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/18 04:06 PM
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I don't know how to explain something as fundamental as attraction. It's like asking why do nice boobs look good? I have no fucking clue they just do. I'm trying to look for pictures of hot fully nude women on reddit and all I keep finding is semiclothed women. :/ Anyway, why do you think strippers bother wearing clothes at all? Why does lingerie even exist if women would just look better in no clothes? And don't tell me that lingerie is only for ugly women, actresses and porn stars wear that sh…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/18 04:00 PM
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Yes, I have a sexy clothes fetish. I also have a boob fetish, an ass fetish, and vagina fetish. Weirdly a lot of guys seem to have these too.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/18 03:14 PM
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A 7 isn't that hot. 5 isn't supposed to be average it's more like neutral attraction. Below 5 is actively unattractive and above is some amount of attraction. Also if you live in a city there's no shortage of attractive women. These places hold hundreds of thousands of people. If even 20% of those people are attractive then that's like tens of thousands of attractive people.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/18 03:13 PM
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Disagree. Even a 10/10 looks better in some clothes imo.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/18 03:08 PM
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If you're going to go out of your way to learn something natural you may as well learn the best way to do it. Like a thread named "this is how to get a 6/10 girlfriend who isn't all that interesting after chatting for 3 months!" isn't going to attract many eyes. If you are in shape, have shit going on jn life, and are comfortable approaching you will probably be happier have greater access to girls for sex or so you can actually choose who you want as your gf. Lastly everyone else is actually do…
/r/seduction24/04/18 02:38 PM
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Corollary to Briffault's Law. Absolutely. I googled the law, but don't understand how it relates. Could you explain?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/18 11:05 PM
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You're saying women aren't worried about it because your assumption is that the current social climate is going to push our society to one where we don't have stable families. And since they are in support of our current social system then they must also have no problem with the death of families. If they don't agree with your base assumption then they don't necessarily believe in your conclusion. That is to say, women may just believe that they can be breadwinners and promiscuous (along with wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/18 10:46 PM
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So your real view is that "it's bad that men aren't providing for families". I don't think anyone is going to disagree with that. People are more likely going to disagree with the why and how do we fix it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/18 10:15 PM
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I'm struggling to understand what you're getting at. So firstly you're taking the degradation of the black "smp" as a fact and saying we can't talk about the cause, but you're asking if it's a cautionary tale. Isn't the whole point of a cautionary tale to look at how something happened and then make sure you avoid the same causes to avoid the same effects? How can we change your view without talking about the cause?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/18 08:06 PM
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Prejiduce: preconceived opinion that is not based on reason or actual experience. Trp would argue they aren't prejiduced, you may disagree.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/18 11:31 PM
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Definition of misogynist according to google: a person who dislikes, despises, or is strongly prejudiced against women. So if you like women despite thinking they are manipulative, etc. you aren't really a misogynist.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/18 05:20 PM
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My bad not "experience", maybe perspective.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/18 06:31 AM
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Are you talking about your subjective experience or are you saying it's objectively disgusting?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/18 03:33 AM
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Because the idea of reducing an act supposed to be the most intimate you can Supposed to be according to who?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/18 03:32 AM
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That's fair. Still I think it shows that the attraction can be there.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/18 07:52 PM
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I didn't imply anywhere that older guys were doing better. The sense that I got from your OP is that older guys could not possibly be doing that well. I am saying that it is at least feasible, because I think the competition is thin and the most important qualities are dependant on age (although you can argue that confidence and security develop with age).
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/18 08:56 AM
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lonely and hot I didn't mean she has no friends, I just mean she doesn't have anyone she's sexually interested in. If you step into any frat party or club, there are many big, muscular guys who are looking great looking to score. They win looks-wise for sure. That's not the point. When I walk into a club I see mostly decent looking guys doing absolutely nothing, but existing. I see a handful of guys actually making moves here and there and then some percentage of those guys are actually well bui…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/18 09:21 PM
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I have no idea about middle aged guy game although I did see a video from RSD the other day about age being a benefit, but as far as I know all their videos are fake so *shrugs*. In an attempt to change your view I'll approach this from the perspective of how this could work. So for all of us who have female friends we know women get really horny too. If that's the case then why don't they just go out and get laid, which they could very easily do? Because of standards (as well as a social and em…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/18 08:19 PM
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A large random sample would be one way to do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/18 01:50 AM
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It is biased by strict definition because you aren't looking at a representative sample.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/18 01:33 AM
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In those days and even now why would you go around advertising they're a woman on an imageboard/messageboard?
/r/TheRedPill09/04/18 01:52 PM
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in which case Rey seems like a much more egregious example Rey is arguably incompetent/hotheaded so that would ruin the narrative.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/18 05:18 AM
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You seem to be focused on purely the mechanics of sex. What you say is true for the mechanical side, but for men and women context matters a lot for arousal. The stronger attraction/arousal someone feels the less they need in terms of mechanical stimulation to get off. Does anyone disagree with this? If no, then if women are completely smitten by an alpha then it makes sense that a more selfish form of sex can still be satisfying. I suspect (based on talking to sluts) that the novelty of that ex…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/18 06:28 PM
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I knew a girl who had to stop after each orgasm. I don't disagree with your generalization, I just want to clarify that none of these generalizations apply for all men or all women.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/18 06:21 PM
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Do you think a really well done erotic movie would work for you? I feel like porn is generally low grade and very focused on the sex, but what about a movie where you get to connect to the characters and the actors really do a good job of becoming their character?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/18 08:12 PM
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Never said people weren't self interested. But people are also able to put others interests above their own. Something that TRP looks down upon. And no people don't stay together because it's mutually beneficial. If that was the case then every wife or husband would leave as soon as an alpha with a better frame came along. Breaking up just because someone else is an option isn't always optimal. You build up fondness for the person you are with over time from an emotional standpoint. You gain tru…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/18 01:51 AM
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I admittedly don't browse trp all that much but I haven't seen those suggestions. In any case I don't think that's genuinely 100% of their solutions. A lot of the solutions just revolve around self-improvement and humanizing women which is totally reasonable. They definitely have unreasonable suggestions as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/18 06:59 PM
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Agree. Just saying that simply finding a relationship is not good enough. You need to be enough of functioning human that you can recognize when you are being treated like doormat that spits out money.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/18 06:57 PM
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Alright so you disagree that all people are selfinterested? I would argue that it's impossible for people to act in a way that they don't perceive will benefit them. Even in a loving relationship the two people stay together because it's mutually beneficial and they will stop once it ceases to be as such. I think it's important for men (and women) to understand that there is no unconditional love or undying loyalty. What about this do you think is incorrect?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/18 06:54 PM
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I'm not arguing about the morality of TRP or that it's a good movement. I'm simply asking if you think an idea is correct or wrong. You said "add in all the other toxic AWALT and other ideas and it's a recipe for disaster" and I'm not convinced that AWALT is actually a toxic belief if you strip it down to it's fundamental point. Yes there are people that spin it so its more about justifying misogyny, but an idea can't help how people interpret it. I only ask if you think it's actually correct or…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/18 06:59 AM
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Any specific examples?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/18 06:06 AM
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Get in shape, take women off the pedestal, focus on yourself. How is any of that insane?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/18 05:49 AM
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Add in all the other toxic AWALT So when the angry TRP says AWALT they are kind of saying all women are hoes, bitches, etc. But the more chill section of TRP says AWALT meaning that women are ultimately human with flaws and are primarily self-interested, which is in counter to the belief some young guys hold that women are innocent, sweet creatures. I know they should really say "All People Are Like That", but let's leave that alone for a second. Do you disagree with the later interpretation. I …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/18 05:48 AM
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My read is that these guys are desperately seeking compassion and validation for their feelings. The general tone they hear is much like the one your post has. "Your problems aren't a big deal, just man up and fix it." "Man up" is an appeal to pride that won't work here, because their pride is broken. Mentioning that everyone has problems isn't effective, because it feels like everyone else's problems get addressed, but theirs get swept under the rug.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/18 05:29 AM
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TRP doesn't only talk about getting a partner. There are plenty of people who are there because they've been cheated on or are stuck in a sexless marriage. I just saw a thread on r/relationships the other day where a guy was talking about leaving his wife who had been cheating on him regularly while not sleeping with him at all, he took her back, agreed to let her try bdsm with other people, she broke their rules repeatedly (use a condom, not in our house), and he kept taking her back. Eventuall…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/18 05:23 AM
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It's kind of terrible to think someone who has spent a fair amount of time criticizing a solution has not has not even thought of an alternative at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/18 05:16 AM
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That's a nice and simple solution in theory, but I've told plenty of people this and even seen them come to this conclusion on their own. It does not help. There is an alarming number of people who have a decent idea of what healthy eating looks like, but still eat like shit. So on and so forth. What they lack is buy-in. TRP makes its readers buy in.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/18 05:13 AM
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So then males try to take multiple tests at once?
/r/TheRedPill21/03/18 04:31 PM
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Sure, preference, whatever. If she can't lock down what she's looking for then she is failing at dating and thus could use advice all the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/18 10:45 PM
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People don't talk about shaming men or unreasonable standards for men irl so I don't think that plays any part. It is really unclear what "TRP" is, and what is so amazing about it. From what I can suss out it seems TRP is just the realization that being a pleasant, polite guy isn't all it takes to be successful with women. Plenty of people seem to believe that just being a good guy with a good job is enough and don't understand why they don't have success.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/18 06:54 PM
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I hear this thrown around a lot and yet I endless hear women complain about not being able to find a good guy. And I'll just preempt the "their standards are to high" argument: if they can't meet their standard then they need dating advice. Period.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/18 06:09 PM
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That's not how that works. If you are unbiased you should be able to acknowledge a good piece of advice from someome you typically disagree with. It seems exceedingly unlikely that literally everything trp says is totally incorrect.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/18 10:47 AM
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Late to this thread, but lots of people are saying telling the truth from false just takes logic/thinking. This is not reality. Obviously. This is why we have science and why science is not just math. You need to experiment to verify what is or isn't true. You can logic yourself into believing any bullshit you want to, but reality cannot lie to you (well it kind of can with statistical variance, but whatever).
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/18 09:03 PM
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I'm not trying to antagonize you but earlier you were saying you think men in general should not pursue casual sex. This implies more than a personal belief about how you view sex. I assume you think everyone should view sex as special?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/18 08:56 PM
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Could you elaborate on why you feel this way?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/18 06:23 PM
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If you have no intention of dating the girl this is incredibly misleading and will likely lead to hurt feelings.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/18 05:05 PM
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You think it's a good idea for her to settle down with a guy she doesn't even like?
/r/TheRedPill10/03/18 10:42 PM
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Extremely sex positive. Caveat is that in a world that isn't sex positive, being a prostitute means it's highly likely that the profession is bad for your mental health because you likely have a mentality that suggests sex with more people cheapens you.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/18 09:22 AM
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This guide suggests brosplits are better. The reasoning seems to be that heavy compounds tire you out faster and are more likely to injure you. Where as working a bunch if accessories will do the same job without the risk.
/r/seduction09/03/18 08:28 AM
1

Coach me to plat and I'll coach you to first kiss.
/r/seduction07/03/18 08:43 PM
1

So a move is made at some point. One of my friends never does that part. That's my complaint.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/18 02:11 AM
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you have to screw it up hard for it not to go down I've done it twice lol
/r/seduction06/03/18 05:56 PM
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I'm trying to imagine how this would work. So let's say a group meets up and everyone gets to know each other. Since they are decent humans they are all friendly to each other, but in one case a guy likes a girl. Since friendliness is the baseline and he can't ask her out for some reason how does she ever find out that he likes her?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/18 04:54 AM
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Well above that age. And at any age you have to show some signs. If you're hiding your attraction as friendliness you're just hurting your chances/wasting your time.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/18 11:30 PM
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Yeah, while I wasn't an incel I was definitely celibate for a long time and a lot of my motivation to change that was a bet with a friend. I'm starting to realize that a lot of my not getting laid is just serious lack of sex drive in the first place. Same with my friends, they don't even seem to care about the sex aspect they just want a gf/companion. I wonder if low t is the common cause or if it's just psychological.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/18 05:08 PM
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Actually chad told me to be an asshole and not give a fuck. I really don't doubt his advice is legit.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/18 05:39 AM
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I know several and was one not long ago. I give advice all the time but they all have these imagined boundries about how they can get dates/relationships. They thought it would just happen and then when it didn't they put forth a middling effort and still got nothing. For example I just asked my friend "have you ever told a girl you're in to her romantically?" He says no and that he had always tried "friends first". Other friend has arbitrarily high standards while unwilling to just approach mor…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/18 05:37 AM
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Girls say that about everything. The trick is not to be an idiot. If you approach half the class on the first day you'll probably look like an asshole. If you become a regular and then ask someone who you have good chemistry with on a date or whatever that's fine by anyone's standard.
/r/seduction23/02/18 07:01 PM
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Actually I think women are more "moral" than men depending on what you mean by that. It is my observation that women work harder to appear prosocial (or play by the rules) than men. Whether that means moral depends on if you agree with the moral of the culture they exist in. I expect women to do more charity work and I do observe that more women go to church in the US. But the common idea of what's moral changes based on culture. Sometimes racism is moral in a given culture for example. Men of c…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/18 05:16 AM
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The Everyday Feminism featured articles seem to lean more toward prescriptive than complaining which is why there may not be as many articles about the topics you mentioned. This article is clearly about rape. This article is tangentially related to sex positivity, which is the core theme behind "Casual sex and slut shaming". This article has a feminist speaking about the #metoo campaign and affirmative consent, which is clearly tied into rape accusations. You mentioned seeing articles about sex…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/18 05:07 AM
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I don't believe force is necessary. For example if someone is passed out and you have sex with them. That's definitely rape despite a lack of force.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/18 01:22 AM
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Rpers usually say you should never talk about your rp beliefs in public. So from the sounds of it this guy was doing a great job when following the guidebook and then crashed when he didn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/18 12:05 AM
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I've been messing with tinder (catfishing as a hot guy, average girl etc). I noticed none of the guys say anything all that clever or special. And as the hot guy I would just say basic shit and girls would actually elaborate on their responses and make it easy to follow up.... kinda like real life My point: looking better in your profile and it'll be easy to have a conversation. Don't be afraid of a shirtless pic if you look good.
/r/seduction18/02/18 06:05 AM
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It's not odd to have that desire. Its odd to base a philosophy on getting external validation. Imagine a parent telling their kid "I know you feel good but the only thing that matters is what everyone thinks of you."
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/18 08:40 AM
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Nah the treatment is different although the difference isn't as black and white as that poster suggests. Here's a fun experiment: make a fake profile for an overweight girl and one for a hot girl. Both will get a stupid number of matches, but checkout the effort of replies. How many actually want to date instead of just fuck? How easily plans fall through and the guys ghost. Yes guys will fuck anything, but they just aren't going to have the same enthusiasm for less attractive girls and they are…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/18 04:47 AM
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It's just easier to do dating apps. And that's also why they're so effective. Women can just pick and choose from countless guys willing to swipe right on them. But when you approach irl you're only competing with a handful of guys. Of course, that's just not as easy to do.
/r/seduction05/02/18 03:47 PM
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My dating app win percentage is straight up garbage. Any method that provides any kind of results is going to be better. In terms of actual sex/relationships I haven't seen success with non dating app methods because I rarely use them. But from the little I have tried I got a WAY greater rate of good conversations and phone numbers. I can only extrapolate that if I had kept trying some reasonable percentage of those would convert to more.
/r/seduction03/02/18 03:52 PM
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Uh B since she's literally a maid and why wouldn't I want a free made?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/18 05:07 AM
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I have a theory that the easier the approach the worse your odds. Easy of approach on tinder? You can swipe while taking a shit and not think twice. Your chances are similarly shit. Bars/clubs? You have alcohol, the dark, and social acceptance. Still have to muster up some courage though and in turn your chances are better. Having the balls to talk to some girl at the supermarket or in your gym or who you always see in your apartment complex. Now your chances are actually decent. So you can wast…
/r/seduction03/02/18 04:14 AM
1

I was reading a book questioning men about modern day relationships. Most of the men seemed to want their women to be working. That seems to be the standard of our culture these days.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/18 11:32 AM
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Why did she stay? Being naive doesn't make you stay, you stay because you have hope in something, hope that he commits to her? Hope that he spends more money on her and makes her time worth while not requesting sex? Or worse, trap him? I don't actually think hoping for a relationship, etc is a sinister thing. In any case if those were the things she wanted she made terrible choices to obtain them so I'm doubting that she really had much of a plot. Anyway I don't care if she's the devil himself, …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/18 04:23 PM
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“It took a really long time for me to validate this as sexual assault,” You right, that's my bad. It's super obvious that this is a stupid and weak woman who doesn't want to accept responsibility for her role Why would it even matter? She could have just not told anyone and it wouldn't have been a big deal. I don't see what she stands to gain from the personally.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/18 04:01 PM
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My bad, didn't realize they disclosed her age. In any case, people can be naive at 23 and I don't disagree that she could and should have played the situation smarter.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/18 04:52 PM
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Absolves him of what? Being a dumbass? Being an asshole. More specifically, not really caring about the women he sleeps with. believes herself to be a victim of sexual assault calling it sexual assault Where did she make any mention of sexual assault? What she is doing is despicable on so many different levels. If she's just describing an accurate account what's the big deal? Some chick tried to out Drake for liking to get his ass eaten out. Didn't matter because no one gives a fuck about how so…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/18 04:52 PM
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That argument would stand if she was 16, not 23. Didn't realize they put her age there. In any case you can be naive at 23. Even if she didn't manage to avoid the situation, she could have left earlier. I'm not disagreeing that she was naive and could have made better choices. She makes it look like it was terrifying since the beginning yet her threshold for leaving was reached way later. She made it sound like it was uncomfortable from the start. I assume she imagined "Aziz is different" or jus…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/18 04:48 PM
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Sure, but none of that really absolves Aziz.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/18 12:50 AM
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What about all the cues she didn't pick up like "he wants sex" and "i don't want sex i should go"? All this is fishy as fuck even if we believe her perception blindly. It just makes her naive, which isn't unbelievable given she might have been a big Aziz fan and just young. You dont end up at someone's apartment, someone known, in our modern era of hookup culture, this is retardation from both side Sure people should be educated about typical social norms so they can avoid bad situations like th…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/18 12:01 AM
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Dude if a girl is in your apartment and you are going down on her it's too late to be playing coy. I am not "very attractive" and I haven't needed to use a tenth of the persistence that Aziz is described to use in the account. Even if we rewind back in time to when women are supposed to pretend they don't want to have sex at all, they would still give nonverbal cues of wanting sex and eventually verbal cues. In Aziz's case, she was giving TONS of cues both verbal and nonverbal that she didn't wa…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/18 04:47 PM
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You right. Sucks for him that he couldn't keep his facade up. He should have played it safer.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/18 04:13 PM
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I'm sure plenty of men do this, but plenty of men don't. Not everyone is that thirsty. And even from a selfish stand point, it's a huge turnoff to have sex with someone who doesn't want to have sex with you for plenty of people.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/18 04:12 PM
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She did and he even in a round about way asked her if she wanted to have sex. He backed off every time she vocalized a no. He checked all the boxes. But it was extremely clear she did not want to have sex with him and he kept going for it anyway. So he was smart and definitely didn't rape her as far as I can tell, but he still didn't give a shit about her.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/18 04:12 PM
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I'm sure plenty of men do this, but plenty of men don't. Not everyone is that thirsty. And even from a selfish stand point, it's a huge turnoff to have sex with someone who doesn't want to have sex with you for plenty of people.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/18 04:10 PM
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No one said anything about fault. Who gives a fuck who's fault it is? If something bad happens and you could prevent and you don't, it means you don't care. Doesn't matter if it's not your responsibility or if someone else could have helped. In any case if her account is accurate then it wouldn't have taken much mind reading to see she wasn't comfortable. It was 30 minutes of me getting up and moving and him following and sticking his fingers down my throat again But he kept asking, so I said, ‘…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/18 04:04 PM
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Based on her description of the event he didn't care if she wanted to have sex or not. He made sure to check the checkboxes so it's not rape but (if the account is accurate) he didn't genuinely care at all. She could have been more clear about what she wanted/expected and been more adamant about not wanting to do anything, etc. Still the point is that this supposed feminist who's supposed to be cute and charming doesn't actually match those descriptions in real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/18 03:04 AM
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I literally know a guy who thinks promiscuity is gross. I recall a friend referring to a woman who wanted to sleep around as mentally ill. There's also literally every religious male. Men and women partake in the same culture. They don't divide their beliefs along gender lines.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/18 10:29 AM
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In the real world there isn't a huge divide culturally between men and women. If men don't like sluts, women don't like sluts. Culture > gender in most people's minds.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/18 10:27 AM
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My thoughts as well. BJJ is crazy effective against people who don't know BJJ. Idk if this is true but I heard BJJ was invented to help women in brazil defend against rapists.
/r/TheRedPill07/01/18 10:22 AM
2

Its really this simple. I'm subbed to cmv and argue on every board I visit.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/18 07:35 PM
1

I like to think every failure is another step towards getting it right. I also don't get waiting for the new years to make a change but having a resolution at any point is better than having none.
/r/seduction31/12/17 01:19 PM
1

Link to studies in question?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/17 10:36 PM
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If you can figure out how to change an adult person's mentality for the better you have found a billion dollar cure.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/17 07:12 PM
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Ya because the English language is gendered..... Even if that's true (and I'm not sure that it is) I'm not talking about some arbitrary use of language. Good girl and good boy just mean different things. Man up is not replaceable with "woman up" or some shit. It has it's own definition that is for men. Its also part of their biology for so many of them. Perhaps, but I'm not sure how you can say that with certainty when we teach women to be feminine. How can we know what is biology and what is co…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/17 07:11 PM
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Attractive to all women? Because if you mean attractive to not even a single woman I would say your statement is wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/17 07:06 PM
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Not if you're competing or a streamer. Or maybe that's just how you like to kill time. I wouldn't consider it excessive if it's not getting in the way of your normal functioning.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/17 07:05 PM
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It is possible for women in general to suck and for feminism to be correct. Better not to judge the idea by the merit of the person saying it imo.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/17 10:49 PM
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This seems like a problematic approach. Like once I read a bad scientific study with a small sample size and no adjustment for the bias in their group. I did not go on to condemn all science. This is assuming you have at least read one feminist piece of course.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/17 10:22 PM
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Then they went off the rails trying to attack gender roles, to the point where they attacked the concept of gender itself. "Off the rails" because you disagree. Then to avoid alienating women who didn't feel oppressed by the concept of femininity, they started saying women should be able to have their cake and eat it too. You make a good point here. Firstly, as always, we have to remember that not every feminist believes what every other feminist believes. Next we have to remember that when we'r…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/17 10:18 PM
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Perhaps the person you describe in the op is well aware of her weaknesses and feels that her culture played a significant part in developing this week personality. So she looks to feminism to combat this in her own life and hopefully in the lives of future girls. Idk what is nature and what is nurture but it seems ridiculous when guys who happily take part in socializing women to be traditionally feminine will then turn around and say "see! They're just like that by nature! Can't help it!". They…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/17 10:03 PM
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Op said "excessive" which probably means "so much video games you don't have time to look attractive" which is kind of a vacuous statement.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/17 09:49 PM
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It's honestly probably just fewer relationships. In hook up culture there is just going to be less sex because every sexual experience is going to take a lot of effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/17 10:30 PM
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What percentage of men do you think this description applies to?
/r/TheRedPill24/12/17 02:06 AM
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Its the same cavalier advice people give when they say "talk to your lawyer" or "talk to your doctor". The reason you disagree is you don't think therapy is a valid profession which really has nothing to so with this board.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/17 01:07 AM
2

Go to places where people go. Half of all people are chicks.
/r/seduction16/12/17 02:27 PM
2

If I watch a crappy anime to kill time it doesn't actually make me enjoy the classics any less. It's actually quite the opposite, I tend to enjoy good anime more when contrasted against bad ones. Or for a more relatable example. One wouldn't starve themselves because they don't have access to mom's home cooking.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/17 02:58 PM
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I don't have a strategy anymore beyond give up until I find a better strategy lol. Could happen but that seems pretty unlikely unless they were already attached before the sex. Which is a good point. Probably not a good idea to go on a bunch of dates with no sex, it'll give her the wrong idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/17 02:53 PM
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I have not found a good answer to A and it turns me off casual sex to a degree. The obvious answer is that you just don't sleep with the same person for very long but that's so much work. There are some women who do just want a casual agreement so maybe that works out. I never managed to keep any of those up so idk if they would have eventually gone poorly as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/17 09:26 AM
1

What would you expect is the n count for the average 30 year old guy?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/17 10:48 AM
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My assertion is that while more women are available to have sex out of relationships. Only a few men actually benefit from that. The majority of men, whether they want to or not, get their sex from relationships, because it's the only option available to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/17 05:26 AM
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Most dudes get sex out of relationships which has always been true. Not a large percentage of dudes are profiting from the whole sexual liberation thing. That's my understanding.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/17 05:20 AM
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Unless they are strippers, waitresses, bartenders, or anyone hoping to profit from you.
/r/seduction09/12/17 04:22 AM
1

All of the above? Why can't there be posts for beginners and experienced?
/r/seduction08/12/17 01:53 PM
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Maybe this post isn't for you then. In all things once you get the fundamentals you just focus on the minutia for a little more progress. I also wouldn't take those anecdotes too seriously.
/r/seduction08/12/17 11:56 AM
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She's tired of all the frat boys and players whom have fucked her and not stayed around. She wants a man who respects her and doesn't expect her to fuck on the first date. I thought TRP said the transition from slut to seeking a beta was because the woman gets past the wall and is no longer desirable to alphas.
/r/TheRedPill06/12/17 05:13 PM
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Everyone views relationships as risky unless they are batshit crazy. That's why we date to feel people out first. That's why you don't marry the first person who asks you out.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/17 06:47 PM
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Practically speaking you may be screwed if you're raised to be agendered in a gendered world, but I don't see any need for gender inherently. I can't imagine that there's advice I would give my son that I wouldn't give my daughter and vice versa. If they grow into typical gender norms despite that then so be it, but why would I enforce it?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/17 12:02 AM
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No one has an issue with passive dread in theory because it's not amoral, but in reality studies show that people are unhappier when with someone more attractive than they are and anecdotally I've heard tons of stories of people actively shaming SOs/friends/family for trying to get into shape. This isn't a knock on passive dread, but I would argue it's not necessarily good for a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/17 06:18 PM
1

They're busy?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/17 06:09 PM
1

Humans are emotional creatures and emotional manipulation is very effective particularly when coming from someone they are very emotionally invested in. It's easy to say what one would do hypothetically but it's so much harder to see what's really going on when it happens.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/17 06:06 PM
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Like half the guys in my immediate friend group are not down for casual sex. Like one guy I know was so against it that he refused to buy condoms so he wouldn't be tempted.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/17 12:25 PM
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I think the idea is not that rich alpha people don't exist but that they have no reason to commit their resources to one woman since they can have any woman they want, in which case they don't give away their "bux". Of course rich attractive people do marry so maybe trp would argue that once they marry they have simply become beta.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/17 02:43 PM
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I have a friend who relentlessly brags and still slays decently well. I don't think the bragging helps him but he somehow manages to get past it. Female friend met him and she said he was cool aside from coming off super cocky. Read that as you will.
/r/seduction24/11/17 07:37 AM
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Just saying if they say "men first" a whole lotta hoes about to die.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/17 03:06 AM
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That's been my experience. People tend to go out to meet people anyway and usually they've been drinking. It's not 100 percent but most dudes will be open to chatting and instantly friend you ime. Once you have a group you're basically not out alone anymore. That's my experience anyway.
/r/seduction24/11/17 02:25 AM
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You don't need to drink, but that can be your fall back plan if you feel awkward. My number one suggestion is to start talking to people as soon as you get there guys or girls. The sooner you make friends the more comfortable you're gonna be and the less awkward you'll look being out alone.
/r/seduction23/11/17 11:40 PM
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Nah I think people do care just not always enough to do something about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/17 03:58 PM
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Approached like 30 minutes before the bar closed and asked for her number when the bar closed cuz I didn't see things progressing from that point. I already texted her on a friend's advice and no response so most likely on to the next. Appreciate the response though.
/r/TheRedPill31/10/17 03:33 AM
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From my perspective people let their emotions get the better of them too much and end up being less satisfied because of it. So to me, they were idiots since I didn't have that problem to the same extent.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/17 08:25 PM
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I'm not gonna try to convince you that I genuinely didn't care; I understand it's hard to believe. In any case I decided to start caring recently and I got a girl's number. Interaction was good but no escalation on my part which is my bad. I might have put her off a bit with the very last thing I said. What's the protocol here? I've tried next day texting and it falls flat, but I want her to at least remember me. So what's the play? Text mid next week? Go for something clever or just a casual "w…
/r/TheRedPill28/10/17 07:15 PM
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Being talked up since childhood always helps lol. If people tried to shame me for being a virgin I would have thought they were idiots. I'm a weirdo and get subliminally shamed for ton of shit but a sense of superiority makes that a nonissue. You see nerds like this all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/17 06:35 PM
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Interesting point. I was a virgin for a long time but was never upset about it because I was so confident that I could not be one when I felt like.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/17 04:20 PM
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I have greater faith in a paradigm of freedom and teaching people to make the right choices than I do in simply forcing people to make the right choices. Sometimes the former is unrealistic but it should be the ideal imo.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/17 03:48 PM
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I'm not grinding for girls, but appreciate the advice. I'll consider if I ever get on that grind.
/r/TheRedPill21/10/17 05:14 AM
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You're right I don't value my time and I don't expect others to. I still find the last minute flaking weird but I guess I can't really know why unless the girls tell me. It's hard to believe that it's some elaborate shit test but maybe it is.
/r/TheRedPill18/10/17 10:07 PM
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Well yeah, because I don't care if she thinks I'm needy or not needy. I don't care that she flaked, def not going to pretend to be mad. This is more of a curiosity since I'm not doing anything differently, but am seeing very different results. At first I was chocking it up to variance, but at this point it's happened enough that something has changed and I all I know that changed is I care less and I moved to a different city. Not saying I think your advice is wrong, I just doubt she has some sp…
/r/TheRedPill18/10/17 06:12 PM
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She was testing you, and you failed. She flaked, then texted you to see if you were in orbit mode. She said: Hey I said: Whats up? What was the correct response? Also, when you do text a girl keep your responses short and vague. Wait at least 10 minutes to send a message back. Feign disinterest. This is what I always do because of genuine disinterest. I've actually been wondering if I'm to blatantly apathetic.
/r/TheRedPill18/10/17 04:34 PM
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I've gotten more flakes than ever recently and while this theory is very sound I'm not sure it explains what I'm experiencing. Aside from getting stood up multiple times by dating app matches I even got stood up by someone I met IRL and then she texted me to say hi and proceeded not to respond to a conversation she started. I assume there's something I should be doing that I'm not, but I hate playing texting games when IRL is so much easier.
/r/TheRedPill17/10/17 11:00 PM
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No offense taken. I've had a similar argument before and I think the conclusion me and the other person came to is that filtering can be efficient (you waste less time on ideas that will never pan out), but you open yourself to be wrong some presumably small percentage of the time. Funny enough survivor bias is one reason why asking the successful person doesn't always equate getting it right. In any case I see where you're coming from.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/17 11:38 AM
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You don't see an issue with filtering information based on the source? Like imagine only reading one news source. Even if it's a good one it'll have its biases and you, just by exclusion of other options, will take on that bias because you only see what they want to show.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/17 11:01 AM
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People like you are just unaware, you don't really know, you think life is like that 'people are awesome' video, you don't know about the 100 times people failed trying to do that little trick or about the 10 people that died trying it. I didn't actually state any stance on the subject. My post was clarification for you on other people's perspective, particularly about your lack of open mindedness. It's really telling that you didn't even read my post closely enough to see there was no opinion b…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/17 10:55 AM
1

Sort of. Are you literally searching for an ad hominem to invalidate my opinion?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/17 10:47 AM
1

Nope
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/17 03:06 AM
1

Oh good point. I guess it is possible for the numbers to work out if the women don't require exclusivity.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/17 08:36 PM
2

How can every women get a top 10 percent man? Like the numbers don't add up.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/17 07:45 PM
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I feel like option b would be way funnier.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/17 07:41 PM
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The reason it seems like a revenge fantasy is because you don't even want to consider the possibility that career women might be happy so if we have seen happy career women we have no choice but to assume you a have a strong bias. This is one of my issues with trp; the very idea of representing "the truth" is bogus because truly objective people learn and change their view point all while understanding they could very well be wrong currently.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/17 07:36 PM
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Ok this is just stupid.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/17 07:32 PM
1

He wouldn't be able to digest milk? Really? Lactose intolerant? The person you were responding to is clearly talking about not being able to digest cow's milk not human milk. I'm asking if you're being serious, because this is like a pretty common thing. Lactose intolerance is incredibly common and people make it to adulthood with it all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/17 11:22 PM
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Digest cow's milk.... Seriously?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/17 10:23 PM
2

Since you didn't respond to my core points I'm gonna assume you agree that nice guys aren't looking for transactional sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/17 08:33 PM
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I don't imagine "nice guys" actually imagine it that transactionally in the first place. I said it elsewhere, but realistically they usually want a relationship, not just sex, but let's pretend they did just want sex. From observing the incels around here it's clear that there's a lot more to wanting sex than just pure physical release. Everyone can just masturbate if it's just a physical issue, but there's more to it. A big theme I think is gaining validation. They want to feel like they are a …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/17 07:55 PM
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Well if "nice" is by your definition unattractive then there's really not much to argue. I do think people can be considerate and empathetic without it hurting their results dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/17 07:45 PM
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One of the most persistant bluepill myths is that niceness is good for your romantic success Not the claim I'm making. I don't think it's "good" for romantic success, but I don't think it hurts either. From what I gathered you're saying that assholes have more tools to actually date and get laid, but this is putting a whole lot of emphasis on one night stand type of situations. In any case that still doesn't mean that niceness itself is unattractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/17 07:43 PM
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Even then, it seems pretty fucked up to put down people for wanting sex. It's not even an action, it's just a desire. And a pretty natural one at that.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/17 01:39 PM
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I never even implied that being nice was attractive, I'm just saying it's not not attractive. It's not a quality that will get anyone sex, but it's not going to turn anyone off either.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/17 01:28 PM
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Yeah, my understanding is that these guys tend to be the romantics who actually really value a relationship. I mean they're already committed before the relationship even started lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/17 12:05 PM
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Dishonest and misogynistic are two VERY different concepts. I'm not sure how you are making that leap. In any case, I would argue it's not even dishonest. Being nice to get people to like you is pretty standard and I don't think any "nice guys" are promising that they aren't interested in sex or that their kindness is just born from pure altruism. Everyone does things with an expectation of being rewarded in some way.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/17 12:04 PM
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I don't think we're working with the same definitions of nice. All I can say is I've personally witnessed at least two guys who were really nice that could also slay when they want to.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/17 11:56 AM
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Being nice isn't the opposite of being attractive. It's not the niceness that is the issue but the absence of other positive traits and hoping that being pleasant will make up for them. Someone who is just nice is boring. You can be nice and fun. Nice and confident. Nice and driven. But if you're legit just nice that won't carry you.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/17 11:18 AM
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I was thinking - are people sometimes too hard on "nice guys"? The claim is that they expect their good behavior to be rewarded with sex, and that's an inherently misogynistic thing to do (which I agree, it is). Wanting sex is misogynistic?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/17 11:14 AM
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You can't say no one is holding a gun to anyone's head then say forced. No one is forced. Running a house isn't easy but do you see what I mean by complaining about responsibility? She can choose to focus on her career or be a home maker. If she complains that she can't be in two places at once, well no one can. Keep in mind one of the main reasons salaries have noy kept up with the cost of living is because Capitalist, like the Rockefellers, were helping to fund a movement that would increase t…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/17 04:01 PM
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they freed themselves from those expectations Alright no one's holding a gun to anyone's head and there are no laws enforcing gender norms, but that doesn't mean the expectations aren't still there. Family, peers, institutions like school, and media all still perpetuate many of the classic gender norms. It may not feel like that if you live in a middle class liberal environment, but keep in mind the majority of America doesn't look like that (and I would argue even there gender norms are still v…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/17 01:39 PM
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I know people often cite that study that says women's happiness has declined over the years, but I wonder if the reason for that is the transitioning period. We aren't post gender by any means but now women are expected to take on male responsibility while continuing to fulfill some female responsibility. That imbalance could be the cause of the problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/17 05:51 AM
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Generally I believe that any self help literature is supposed to go in tandem with practice. So if you are reading a book. Read the chapter and then go put it into practice. Cut yourself off from any other self help mediums until you do so. Rinse and repeat.
/r/seduction27/08/17 04:32 PM
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You gotta be brave at some point. This guy was a google engineer, he's never going to want for money.
/r/TheRedPill08/08/17 01:34 PM
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Having a hard time means you're doing work. It's like not lifting because picking up the weights is hard. That strain is what makes you grow.
/r/TheRedPill07/08/17 11:16 PM
1

The whole point is that women don't want to bang guys they aren't attracted to. Some guys feel this is ridiculous, which I think is ridiculous.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/17 08:26 PM
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Exactly. I'm not saying men can't complain, I'm just saying that it's not necessarily different for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/17 05:44 PM
4

What about the point that our close relatives don't follow the alpha/beta structure either?
/r/TheRedPill04/08/17 11:29 AM
1

Isn't attraction kind of a binary thing? Like either you are or aren't attracted?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/17 01:54 AM
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Sex. It was referring to "sex" in the previous sentence, see: Ah damn. So the issue isn't about paying, it's about the amount of sex being offered? If you reject someone, you cant complain about being lonely. I guess I'll refer back to my original analogy. Can incels complain if they aren't interested in gay sex? They literally have an option to not be lonely and to get sex, but they refuse. How is this different? Like when a woman says "I cant find a boyfriend", she's purposefully not counting …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/17 01:36 AM
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Person B has so little they have to PAY others for sex. Now we're getting somewhere. Has so little what? I mentioned value earlier, but you said that wasn't it, but clearly there is something. What does paying for sex mean you have "so little" of? This is you projecting a different mentality. This has nothing to do with the point at hand. I'm trying to point out why LTRing someone you aren't attracted to is ridiculous. Although now that I think about it, I guess arranged marriages work in that s…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/17 12:36 AM
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The guys here, particularly incels, seem to think woman should lower their standards. I'm assuming that means they have lowered their standards. Idk though, I can't speak for all men.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/17 12:25 AM
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The analogy is straight men don't want to sleep with gay men like women don't want to sleep with guys they aren't attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 08:03 PM
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A woman has many men WILLINGLY offering to have sex with her. She is being OFFERED something, WILLINGLY. Yes, but WHY is this bad? The key word again is WHY. Tell me what difference it makes. How does being willing offered sex make the man feel. How does being willing offered sex make the woman feel. If you don't tell me I can't figure out what is going on in your head. Again, it's not obvious to me. I have no problem paying for sex if I want, so you need to tell me why you think it's a bad thin…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 08:01 PM
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Women do occasionally have casual sex with guys. In the cases where they don't (barring other factors) it's because it also wasn't appealing to them. There are a handful of very practical reasons women don't ons every random guy and there are emotional reasons too. Part of the issue is attraction, but that's not the whole story.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 06:02 PM
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It's honestly difficult to have as much sex as someone in an LTR has. Which is why I find it so odd that TRPers claim to be all about sex, but don't want the easiest way to get it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 05:58 PM
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Women try to do this filtering. This is where all the grief from the incels comes from lol. They get filtered. And even then the filtering does not seem to be very good.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 05:57 PM
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Ok since you're not really going into why paying for sex is a big deal, I'll try to make assumptions and you can tell me if it's accurate. My guess is you find paying for sex shameful and you think not being able to get sex without paying means you have less value as a man and a person. Is that about right? Addressing this, what WOULD make a woman not-lonely? A LTR boyfriend? Women have easy access to those as well. Why dont they choose that option? Many do choose that option when they find some…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 05:53 PM
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You're going to have to at least pretend like I'm being genuine if we are going to have this back and forth. If everything I say that disagrees with you comes off as an insult/mocking how am I ever going to be able to make a point? BUT HE HAS TO PAY FOR SEX. IT'S COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THAN HAVING TONS OF OTHER PEOPLE OFFER YOU SEX FOR FREE. Different how. Don't take for granted that I know exactly what you mean and how you feel. I genuinely don't know what you mean. If I wanted sex, I would just …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 05:01 PM
2

I wouldn't call losing weight a "minor effort".
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 04:51 PM
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The issue is that the hooker doesnt WANT the man, but the men offering sex to a woman obviously DO want the man. But the hooker does want the money and the man doesn't "want" the woman in the case of casual sex, he just wants her body for physical pleasure. If the woman could get the same kind of guarantee, she would probably be more open to sex from random guys, but realistically the sex is more likely to suck than not. That's correct. It's also irksome how easily people go "LOL just go to a ho…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 03:52 PM
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My point was that just because women can easily get sex with men doesn't actually make it desirable. It's like expecting someone to celebrate because they can get free dog shit. Like who cares? I generally don't understand the angst behind men not getting sex for free.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 03:07 PM
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You told me what happens, but you haven't told me what the issue is. I'm guessing since you are comparing men vs. women you are trying to point out that it isn't fair that women can get sex, but men can't?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 03:05 PM
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What point of view am I proposing?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 02:59 PM
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I'm not really sure what your point is. Are you saying it's not fair or that's it not moral?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 02:55 PM
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The person I'm responded to made the comparison to men who can also get free sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 02:53 PM
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I didn't mention anything about a hooker or paying for sex but out of curiosity what is the issue with the use a hooker suggestion?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 02:51 PM
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How can you evaluate someone's sexual skills before having sex with them? edit: also it's not just about skill, but also attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 01:50 PM
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Men can fuck for free too. Just dress nice and go to a gay bar and tell them that you're straight. Oh that doesn't count? Because the guy won't like it? Well if a girl sleeps with a random guy chances are it's going to be shitty.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 01:08 PM
1

I have a problem with being able to use a source for support, but it can't also be used as evidence against.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 01:03 PM
3

Interesting. The video mentions that different personality types tend to dominate in different situations, but I haven't really found that ti be true. Even if you play d&d or other nerdy games there is still aggressive people, assholes, confident people, and gregarious people. It looks different in different circles, but the traits are basically the same, they tend to have the same results. Yes you can make people uncomfortable by putting them in unfamiliar situations and they will appear less "…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 01:13 AM
5

Trp relies heavily on evolutionary psychology as the basis of their beliefs. This is a pretty big hole if it's not really a thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 01:06 AM
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Trp absolutely uses it scientifically. I've seen bonobo behavior cited for describing human behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 12:57 AM
1

I once said something to a female friend to the effect of "do guys think that shit ever works?" I think we were talking about catcalling or something similarly stupid. Her response was, "you give us[women] way too much credit". My point is this shit works on someone, not necessarily everyone. It could be made up but if the girl in the OP is young and inexperienced she might fall for these borderline insults. Also based on OP's account he seems to have genuine confidence which really colors all o…
/r/seduction30/07/17 03:37 PM
2

Nothing. It's just a curiosity. You don't like have to answer if you don't want to.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/17 08:44 PM
1

Disadvantages of being female vs. male.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/17 08:03 PM
1

I hear what you're saying, that's just not the question I'm asking. Perhaps my question isn't exactly on topic, I just think it's something interesting to discuss.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/17 07:25 PM
3

I'm referring to this post: I always thought "the wall" is relative, as in, "figuratively speaking it's like hitting a wall compared to the insane degree to which early 20s women get shit handed to them. Their lives are still mostly fine"
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/17 07:12 PM
6

Definitely way more pronounced for young woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/17 07:07 PM
2

I was thinking more disadvantages compared to a man. Above a poster implies that women have it great in general, which really means great compared to men so I'm curious to see if that is really true.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/17 06:57 PM
1

What are the disadvantages?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/17 06:21 PM
2

It's easy to get laid as any woman but I imagine unattractive women don't get many advances. I wonder what would happen if those women made advances themselves. Would they have a decent success rate (assuming they aim within their league)?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/17 05:59 PM
1

What truth?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/17 05:55 PM
9

Most people aren't straightforward enough so it's usually good advice. Once you stop being a bitch the next step is to add nuance, but not being a bitch is the critical first step.
/r/seduction28/07/17 04:26 PM
5

I didn't read the thread because I want to avoid what I'm going to tell you all to avoid. Don't try too hard to read for invitations, it just gives you an excuse to not approach whenever you think you don't see one. It's an easy way to get into your own head.
/r/TheRedPill28/07/17 01:17 AM
1

I'm assuming you replace the girl once she is over 25? I'm not sure you get the same quality of emotional support like that but I don't actually know.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/17 03:44 AM
1

Everything feels like a game of chance if you take no ownership.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/17 03:11 AM
3

Wholefoods sit down section is cool too. Met some cool people. Met a qt asian trap queen too.
/r/seduction25/07/17 02:19 AM
1

Talking to gay guys is probably the easiest interaction a guy can have in theory. They aren't afraid of you like women are and the super socialable gay guy is a common trope. Haven't tested this one but I'm willing to try it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/17 06:40 PM
2

We're talking about people's opinions. How is that objective? In any case alpha chad gets validation. It's one of those things where you don't worry about it unless you have none. beta billy gets a regular supply of sex and emotional support. Guys I know in real life value the whole companionship thing a lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/17 09:01 AM
-1

Different strokes man.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/17 10:09 PM
-1

I like chocolate Lmao only retards like chocolate. Vanilla tastes the best. I know because I like vanilla.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/17 10:08 PM
-2

One could argue that "Billy Beta" is the one who is getting more value.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/17 08:40 PM
1

Relationships survive worse than that all the time. Maybe you mean a good relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/17 03:48 PM
3

Recognition of your own weakness means you have taken a crucial step towards becoming stronger.
/r/TheRedPill21/07/17 02:57 PM
1

That might actually work really well...
/r/seduction20/07/17 07:38 PM
1

I think the statement "females destroy civilization" needs to be rephrased. I don't think much of human history is men versus women. Usually they are side by side playing different roles in their given culture. I think a better way to approach it is to remove morality or even agency from the equation completely. What happens when a civilization falls, what role do women play in these scenarios, and what are their motivations?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/17 03:02 PM
1

You seem to like the content so you could mimic it and report back on your results.
/r/seduction12/07/17 04:33 AM
1

If anything it's easier to drink when you invite people over and buy your booze in bulk. Maybe the lack of younger people having their own homes means they have to meet at bars more often. Idk sounds like a stretch. How did people used to socialize? Surprisingly church wasn't putting in much work either.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/17 10:26 AM
1

I suppose if you are disconnected from your family, which is more common with people traveling far from home for work/school, then you would probably look to places like bars to meet new people. I honestly just thought that shit rarely works. Maybe I'm underestimating the weekday happy hour crowd.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/17 02:04 AM
7

Everything is trending downward because the internet exists now and is doing a lot of work to help people meet each other. The weird thing is that bar/restaurant is on the rise. I'd like to hear theories about why that would be the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/17 11:25 PM
2

The thing is that the vast majority of people are terrible actors. Like you can see them trying to act, but they seem a little off. Like they are saying they are awesome, but something about how they say it doesn't really fit. That mismatch gives people a feeling that you're fake and that makes you even more offputting because then it's like "if this person can't even show their real colors their real self must be awful!" But if someone can be the good version of themself, the person they are wh…
/r/seduction08/07/17 12:26 PM
1

Not necessarily. I can understand needing to fake confidence before you have it but it's much better to actually be confident. Aside from that being a smooth, confident version of yourself is going to be the most natural ans most successful strategy.
/r/seduction08/07/17 01:11 AM
3

I mean some girls genuinely do have boyfriends...
/r/seduction02/07/17 07:29 AM
1

I imagine so or you wouldn't care about being cucked. Maybe it's something else though, maybe it's just a validation thing, which would explain the desire for notches. Idk you, just throwing out suggestions you can think on.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/17 02:02 AM
2

Not at the moment, but if you want sex and don't want a prostitute, it's a goal you can work towards.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/17 02:00 AM
1

Idk what you look like, I also can't confirm that every unattractive person in a relationship isn't being cucked, I just know that people (myself included) have a tendency to convince themselves not to do anything scary or risky for fear of things going bad. And to replace the thing they are scared of doing they reach for something that isn't as scary, but isn't what they want either. I fear this is the path you may have chosen.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/17 01:47 AM
2

Significantly easier than sleeping with a hundred women.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/17 01:05 AM
1

So you don't want to feel like someone is staying with you for your resources as opposed to staying with you out of love? Is that how you mean it?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/17 11:34 PM
2

I'm not recommending a relationship, I'm saying don't waste your time on shit that you know won't be satisfying. If you need sex pick up a fwb or prostitute. Trying to lay hundreds of different chicks could be a fun challenge to take on, no doubt, but it's nothing worth living by. I could be wrong though, maybe you would find that lifestyle deeply satisfying, but I suspect if you really felt into it it's not what you really want out of life. Just a random stranger's guess though.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/17 11:30 PM
1

He probably doesn't find the extra billions fulfilling, but he probably does find the bussiness/industry he helped build very satisfying and he probably finds his charity work very satisfying. Why not seek something that will always feel fulfilling rather than something few people who have even value?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/17 10:40 PM
1

But you don't want commitment anymore so why would you care if you're see as a cuckold?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/17 10:38 PM
1

Uh, why?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/17 10:20 PM
2

I think you'll find that pretty much every guy who can manage hundreds of different lays don't find it very fulfilling.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/17 10:20 PM
3

Why? What does girl 50 give you that girl 10 didn't?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/17 08:56 PM
1

Fear of being cucked is a sure sign that you desire that commitment otherwise having it betrayed would mean nothing. By your logic you really shouldn't bother to get or do anything because ultimately you will die and lose it anyway. Imo if you desire commitment, seek it and do your best, if it goes wrong, that sucks but you will live.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/17 08:55 PM
2

Most people don't have the goal to fuck random thots long term. The goal of game for many is to get a girlfriend.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/17 03:55 PM
2

Think about how many days there are in a year and how many years there are in a life. That's not being "chad" that's just being obsessed with fucking random chicks.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/17 03:28 PM
3

Don't think you're being realistic here. Not many women would want to just bang some dude they met that night and even if they did so much shit has to go right. Whether you want to say woman are too picky or man are not good enough doesn't matter. End result is that vast majority of dudes are no so smooth and so lucky that they can get laid on any given night.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/17 11:40 AM
1

On a given night. If the goal is sex game should be aimed at getting a gf. If afraid if commitment, an fwb works too.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/17 11:36 AM
1

Expression was the wrong word. Acknowledgement would have been better. If an RPer objectively observes their own malice towards women and starts to question how did that come about that can only be a good thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/17 01:40 PM
1

There goes my hope that rural America is a bastion of decency lol. So my guess is that because smiling and being friendly is more common out there men are less likely to assume it means anything. Elsewhere guys are so used to being ignored that any acknowledgement is a greenlight to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/17 08:53 PM
1

This is a fair point. What I find strange here is that many women on reddit say that they have stopped smiling at strangers because they get unwanted attention from it (i.e. guys hit on them). Does that not happen where you're from or is it just not a big deal to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/17 07:11 PM
1

Are we talking like no attention when going to a bar or like not being approached on the street randomly?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/17 12:52 PM
1

Lmao that shit is for attractive women. I don't get any of that shit and based on this (relevant part starts at 23:45 and honestly could deserve it's own thread here) unattractive women don't get it either.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/17 12:50 PM
1

If you think any and every expression of emotion is a complaint life is going to be hard for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/17 11:15 AM
1

If it seems like someone is looking to be offended they probably have some bad insecurities. That's not an uncommon trait but certainly doesn't describe all women.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/17 11:10 AM
1

Women who say they never want to be approached period almost always have an SO, it makes sense that they would say that. Women saying they want 0 attention are conflating all attention with straight up harassment which is reasonable imo, see gun analogy. I should note that on a thread the other day I saw a bunch of older women talking about how thankful they are that they are too old to be hit on/harassed. I assume as the transition happened they probably felt shitty that they aren't attractive …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/17 11:08 AM
1

Looking for an easy way is an action. Wishing for an easy way is literally useless.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/17 12:36 AM
2

I've seen the former a lot, but I haven't seen much complaining about not getting attention. Any examples?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/17 12:31 AM
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She wants to feel attractive and normal, same as any woman or person. She doesn't want to be harassed. Women claiming they hate the male gaze completely probably do because if a lifetime of genuinely scary harassment putting them on edge. For example you might be less tolerant of people carrying guns if you have been shot before.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/17 12:30 AM
1

I have no evidence here but my theory is that difference here is shame. Women are supposed to be loyal, we expect their love to be undying and 100% faithful. Guys are the ones expected to cheat and be assholes. Women are supposed to self-sacrifice for others and put their needs second. Guys are expected to be self-serving. That existing conditioning won't let women leave their dying husband when it makes a lot of sense for them to do so, but men who have less of this conditioning can say to them…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/17 03:00 PM
1

I wonder if men leave their spouses at the same rate when their spouse is abusive or an alcoholic.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/17 02:51 PM
6

Maybe I'm naive but men don't actually fall in love with women just because of appearance right? Say you liked this really cute quiet girl who was a sweetheart. Then she, to while maintaining the same appearance, became a loud, obnoxious brat. The love would fade right? Also even how a woman looks is the result of actions. Some guys prefer to masturbate to short hair, tatoos, and piercings. Others want a really sweet, Innocent looking girl. Others will want a girl who talks really dirty while ge…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/17 02:49 PM
1

So realistically most guys aren't swimming in so much pussy that turning down a hot date makes any sense. But if someone were literally drowning in 10s then some prefiltering makes sense. Ime only 2 girls have openly come unto/asked me out and they both weren't very attractive. Small sample size, but I don't think it's crazy to assume that there's a correlation between desperation and willingness to approach. Of course women can approach for all kinds of other reasons but prefiltering is a numbe…
/r/seduction29/05/17 02:29 PM
2

Depends where you are, I am imagine. If I ever become an alpha I'll try out south korea and see if I can pick up despite being black.
/r/TheRedPill29/05/17 02:07 PM
3

So if men have this ability doesn't that mean that their feelings require less protection?
/r/seduction29/05/17 01:44 PM
1

I see that poster's point. Personally I don't think wearing clothes should be mandatory. I don't think the human body needs to be hidden at all time to protect children or some shit. That said, if I saw someone walking around stark naked, I might assume there is something off about them. Still, asking a guy out is a lot less extreme than that so I would just assume the girl is nonconformist or quirky.
/r/seduction29/05/17 01:42 PM
5

I think many of us on this board are sluts and have no qualm with it. Unless you're one of those "a key that opens many locks is a good key" guys.
/r/seduction29/05/17 01:39 PM
3

Slave sounds like some very emotionally charged language for an academic. I'll check out these links since those percentages seem way off. Edit: oh these aren't even sources, they're just google searches. Lol
/r/seduction29/05/17 01:32 PM
2

Source? I haven't heard this before.
/r/seduction29/05/17 01:40 AM
2

Uh, I don't think it's genetic. In my experience the white guys who didn't grow up around black women tended to be less likely to be attracted to black women. I myself found that when I was younger I was less attracted to black women then I am now, because back then all my black female peers acted ghetto as fuck, but in more recent years all the black women I know have been far more classy. Have you ever dated a girl and started to find features she has attractive even though you never thought m…
/r/seduction29/05/17 01:18 AM
3

I actually doubt this, but I would love some evidence to prove this wrong.
/r/seduction29/05/17 12:07 AM
2

They all stem from deeply ingrained biases. People just tend to get a little testy about race relates bias because we're having some trouble with that.
/r/seduction29/05/17 12:03 AM
2

There's a fair amount of arguing past each other and moving the goal posts everytime they realize they agree. I can't blame you for not following it lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/17 03:58 AM
3

You're missing the context of the conversation. She was saying that the average guy can get laid regularly with that being her definition of regular. I think the issue was that while she has a reasonable idea of what an average guy looks lime she doesn't have a good idea of what an average guy's personality is. Most guys just aren't that outgoing or socially skilled ime.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/17 03:50 AM
2

Average looking guys don't pull based on their looks. The effort matters. Unique pictures, a witty bio, good openers, etc. That is going to be a winning combination for any guy on Tinder, but it takes effort. OP is going to get bad results because she doesn't​ have genuine thirst to drive her to make a great profile.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/17 03:36 AM
2

What's your experience in real life?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/17 03:28 AM
1

Ah, I see. So is this thread a "do men find me attractive" thread or is there some blue pill conclusion you want to draw?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/17 02:34 AM
1

I would love to do this kind of research. I just suck at being alpha. :(
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/17 10:19 PM
2

Like roids muscular or like yoga 3 times a week muscular?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/17 06:39 PM
2

First pic is almost certainly on roids and pretty much does not exist in the wild.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/17 06:37 PM
9

People do manage to have ptsd for the rest of their lives. Just sayin
/r/TheRedPill24/05/17 05:54 PM
2

In real life I think it's call the patriarchy and feminism.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/17 09:38 PM
2

I always post dissenting comments and haven't been banned yet. I actually felt like trp was surprisingly accommodating of opposing views given how circlejerky it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/17 09:00 PM
2

Not the end state but the process to get there.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/17 10:43 PM
3

There's no quiet way to get to anarchy. I'd rather the let the gov keep stealing half my wages then go through that shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/17 10:12 PM
2

You said "they". Fair to assume you were also addressing op.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/17 09:35 AM
10

Trump isn't as accountable for his actions are a regular joe may be. If someone in my office said half of what trump said I would not be surprised if that person was fired. They would at least be ostracized and hated by everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/17 06:16 PM
1

I don't think its works that way. It's not a male vs female game as that makes no sense. That would pit mothers against sons, spouses against each other, brother against sister, etc. It's more like culture vs culture. In the patriarchal culture women get the shit end of the stick A LOT there's no question about that, but the culture doesn't do this out of spite it is just trying to maintain a successful society. And so it will screw either side if it thinks doing so is right for whatever reason …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/17 06:13 PM
4

I remember at a club I saw a guy try to walk up behind a girl and get her to grind him. It was something happening all over the club and he wasn't aggressive but a girlfriend immediately screamed at him to get away. She looked crazy, but think about it. In a club where dudes are drunk and feel entitled to getting some attention a lot of guys aren't going to take a sheepish no like a serious no. Chick doesn't want to reject harshly but not doing so means it will be a painful and long process to g…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/17 05:13 PM
2

Hard to say. Women tend to do a significant amount more whining but men aren't supposed to so when they do it its more grating. Nothing wrong with whining though, it should be acceptable for both sides.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/17 05:07 PM
1

So of the 4 open relationships I know. 3 were initiated by the guy. 2 of those are really the girl can sleep with other girls but really she is supposed to bring back girls for threesomes. The other guy initiated one ended after he slept with one girl. Results on the girl initiated one aren't in yet. Basically my perception is that open relationships are at the benefit of guys, but I know mostly young people and only one of those couples is married.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/17 09:59 AM
2

The second link I think has more to do with it being more difficult for men to stand out purely based on appearance. A more reasonable comparison would be gathering ratings after a date. It may still be the case that the graph looks like that but at least it gives guys a chance to leverage more of what would typically make them attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/17 12:00 AM
4

Doesn't someone have to be left on seen eventually?
/r/TheRedPill10/05/17 01:05 AM
1

It's an arbitrary scale so it's just what people choose to center around and people don't generally center around the average they center around what is attractive. Your IQ example doesn't work because stupid and smart art totally arbitrary, where for a given person whether or not they are attracted to someone is a fairly concrete thing. Changing around the numbers on the scale won't make them suddenly more or less attracted to someone. 5.5 (the middle) is not particularly attractive not activel…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/17 06:22 PM
1

5 isn't the middle for most people's scales. It makes sense for the scale to skew towards 10, because it would be weird to have half of all people just be unattractive since they all have genes that managed to be passed down somehow.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/17 01:18 PM
1

People tend to be more candid online. Also if you think every outing has a chance of you getting raped you can't do too much about that. You still have to go to work, etc. Ask your female friends if it's a concern for them, they may say yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 09:14 PM
3

The being killed and raped fear is as old as humans. Has nothing to do with devices. Many women still find dating apps unpalatable. Reality is you do have a ton of options if you live in a population dense area, which could explain why places like nyc has such a high rate of singles. Guys looking only to hook up do consider the girls disposable and women in response must see guys they aren't yet attached to as disposable. These are all results of genuinely having a lot of options. Imo it's not a…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 12:24 PM
3

Since when does being a red piller mean you can't be in love?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/17 01:03 PM
8

You're assuming the beauty standard for women is enforced only by men. It isn't. Male sexual attention is the cheapest thing in the world. It does not get you a boyfriend, friends, acceptance into the community you want to be in, and most critically it doesn't give you selfesteem. Edit: shouldn't you compare tall women to short men? I think tall girls are the one who get the shit end of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/17 12:50 PM
1

"Core life problems" like what? I imagine a lot of young, awkward guys with decent jobs don't need to worry about food or shelter. Their biggest concern I imagine is starting a family and thus finding someone to start a family with. Loneliness is probably the biggest problem in their entire life so if someone is presenting a solution for that I imagine they would listen. You sure? Or was/is that just a cover story? Because to me that sounds a whole lot like that bullshit "haha, joke's on you I w…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 11:15 PM
0

And many of them still vote democrat and always will. I do think plenty would not switch, but if a politician is speaking directly to your core life problem that seems like a strong incentive to switch. Sure, and this has happened time and again. The thing is, for however "disgruntled" these betas might be, they still don't all subscribe to everything TRP says or advocates. Yeah it might seem appealing to subscribe to TRP ideologies for a time, but there's a reason why TRP has only grown to bare…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 01:21 PM
1

There's way more disgruntled "betas" than subscribers to trp. Each one could potentially be seduced by some trp ideas. Also trp doesn't have to be full on misogynistic; it can be presented in a very palatable way that men and women would find reasonable. Obviously if someone dives into r/trp it'll look bad but if that politician can convince people that online rhetoric is exaggerated and can explain his beliefs reasonably people could buy that. They bought it with Trump and he didn't even try th…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 09:12 AM
1

Because appealing to a large swath of people is what politicians do? Why wouldn't they want to?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 08:06 AM
2

Well hate typically makes you feel bad. You hate half the population and live with something you hate. It's hard to imagine how you could be happy.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 03:53 AM
1

How can your opinion possibly not influence what you think is best for everyone?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 03:43 AM
1

Idk, I think trp speaks to a lot of guys and that might be a reasonable way for the gop to orient itself. Very curious to see how this one plays out
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 03:41 AM
2

The idea of common sense is kind of nonsensical. Common sense gets disproven regularly by research and hard evidence. Also it seems pretty reasonable to ask someone to backup their claims at least somewhat on a debate board.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 03:38 AM
1

Exactly, nothing is absolutely bad. It just needs to be net bad so that you shouldn't do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 03:26 AM
1

Are you saying that people predisposed to depression were very likely to be depressed because life was harsh? If that's what you mean then I should clarify that I wasn't implying that people with predisposition can just lead a grief free life to avoid depression, rather some of them can simply have greater resilience.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/17 10:28 PM
1

Sounds like TRP in a nutshell.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/17 09:51 PM
1

You're acting as if the plates route isn't the one promoted by trp. Some trp members actively mocks people who get into relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/17 07:39 PM
1

I think some people are more predisposed to depression but I would be surprised if someone was genetically guaranteed to be depressed.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/17 07:37 PM
0

Yes I did say that. Note no mention of Mexico. To clarify I was responding to this statement: greatest country on Earth with the greatest women on Earth just above you? I just never thought of the US being particularly known for women. Side note: United states has a higher rate of obesity than Mexico, although that's kind of irrelevant because I wasn't comparing the two.
/r/seduction21/04/17 03:23 PM
-1

I never suggested otherwise.
/r/seduction21/04/17 02:02 PM
1

US is great at a lot of things but I have never heard anyone say it has the hottest women. Maybe you mean fattest women?
/r/seduction21/04/17 12:38 PM
2

The main ingredient that a lot of the other posts are missing is exposure. It's just easy to befriend people you see all the time. This is why it's so easy to have a friend group in school; you're just forced to spend time with them. Finding any stable setting where you see the same people all the time is going to do most of the work i.e. a class, a book club, a crossfit gym, a church service, a weekly volunteering event. Anything where you see the same people regularly. The other side of it is …
/r/seduction19/04/17 03:18 PM
1

The difference should be different levels of doubt on your part. If she seems hesitant on any given occasion I just don't see the point in taking on that risk. Realistically girls are thirsty af too and if they want to sleep with you they won't let something as stupid as pretending to be shy get in the way. If they genuinely have reservations then you shouldn't bang them anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/17 11:57 AM
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I don't believe the op mentioned a verbal yes and neither did I.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/17 11:47 AM
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Why would you even want to risk sleeping with someone who doesn't want to sleep with you? What good can come from anything but an absolutely certain yes? If you're really willing to sleep with mild interest in you are way too thirsty.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/17 06:12 AM
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Set reasonable but increasing goals. Week 1: I will talk to one female I don't know a day. Doesn't need to be romantic. Week 2: I will talk to one female a day with romantic interest Week 3: Talk to at least 1 a day and get at least 2 phone numbers. So on and so forth. If you fail don't beat yourself up, just figure out what sent wrong. Reevaluate your goals (are they unreasonable?), your approach (am I scaring girls away?), or yourself (am I being a little bitch?). Then continue with your revis…
/r/seduction18/04/17 06:06 AM
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Instincts say run and hide. Wat do?
/r/seduction18/04/17 06:00 AM
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I find it hilarious that back on 4chan we considered redditers normals. I guess everyone thinks chad is somewhere not here.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/17 05:59 AM
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"natural game" is called charisma. Charisma is never not good.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/17 05:56 AM
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There is almost never something that is all good or all bad. Your competition is a bunch of dudes who seem like they aren't even trying. Taking care of your appearance already puts you ahead of the field. Since there are so many supposedly undatable men once you make it into the datable pool you are a hot commodity. You have more control over your attractiveness because personality and demeanor go a longer way. Since you approach you get to pick. You're typically in control of the situation from…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/17 05:45 AM
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I think I mischaracterized how this goes, I guess I should clarify how it would play out (because I have been the guy and I've had a friend who was the girl). Chick: So what was your last long term relationship? (for real some girls are this forward) Dude: To be honest i haven't had one. Chick: Really? Why do you think that is? Dude: insert reasonable sounding explanation Chick: listens but is still dubious Date or dates continue and the girl will come to some conclusion that your explanation or…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/17 06:40 PM
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If everything else checks out minor red flag won't end things for most people.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/17 05:14 PM
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My male group of friends never talks about dick size but the one time I went out drinking with female friends they started comparing dick sizes of every guy they've been with. Obviously a small sample but I think "women don't care about dick size" is a bit of an exaggeration. As for the chad thing. I have no idea where the line for chad is or what a realistic reaction to chad is (trp always exaggerates).
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/17 12:07 PM
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I think we're getting trolled.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/17 09:34 PM
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I would like to change your view but I don't know where you got this idea from. It's not even consistent with typical redpill belief. That and as others have said you're being really vague. You say traditional women will be treated like they are people but I don't know what you mean by that and I can only assume traditional means, cooks, cleans, takes care of kids, and is submissive. Its not clear to me what is the relation between these traits and being treated like a person.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/17 05:31 PM
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They are genuinely needed by men since they both compliment each other and are valued more. When two people in a relationship genuinely need each other they will compromise more so as to avoid conflicts. This means happier, longer, lasting, satisfying relationships with minimal conflict probably ending up in marriage but marriage can fuck up the dynamic so it's not advisable but that's a topic for another day. How is fulfilling gender roles any more necessasry than a woman who is there for fucki…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/17 04:45 PM
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I don't understand what you think will be different if women follow gender roles. Let me ask plainly: how do men think of women who follow gender roles?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/17 04:08 PM
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Ok, good =)
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/17 01:18 PM
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Looks and demeanour are all parts of what make someone attractive. Humans can't help but consider appearance when evaluating if they like someone and that's not for any particular gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/17 12:58 PM
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Its weird to call out the so called "subtle brag". The tidbit about family showcased the point she was making which is directly relevant to the topic of the thread. Why is a girl even inferring she is attractive, even when the thread literally asks posters if they are attractive, make you so uncomfortable?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/17 12:52 PM
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So women don't want to be seen as sex and comfort dolls, they want to be seen as sex, comfort, and nanny dolls?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/17 12:23 PM
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lmao, I'm literally planning to start dance classes soon and I'm in nyc so I hope you're wrong. Ime yoga is still female dominated, particularly if you get past beginner level classes. The thing is, in nyc women outnumber men significantly, nyc is chronically single, and women have to do things aside from netflix sometimes so they must be out there doing something. Oh concerts/shows is another good one.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/17 09:01 PM
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I mostly curious because our experiences sound so different. I live and work in manhattan btw. My first thought is that if you're only ever flirting with women you are always putting them on their guard depending on how forward you are. Your point about not having a hobby where you can meet girls may be a good point though, it removes a chance for you to meet women in a comfortable setting.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/17 11:11 AM
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What borough do you spend most of your time in? Any hobbies outside of work? Obviously I'm trying to see why you have such bad experiences with women. Another thought I just had is that you probably had an unlucky streak with meeting unsavory women and now you kinda just have some expectation for all women to act like that. For example it's really easy to see judgement if you're expecting it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/17 01:42 AM
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If you don't mind my asking what is your socioeconomic status? What field do you work in? Urban, suburb, or rural environment? What do you think about the guys you have been around?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/17 01:02 AM
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Ok maybe I'm speaking with too narrow a definition of "break the speed of light". Cool article btw thanks.
/r/TheRedPill31/03/17 07:01 PM
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Ok uploading a brain a computer isn't all that insane. Breaking the speed of light is basically incoherent. I haven't heard a single theory we could ever break the speed of light.
/r/TheRedPill31/03/17 03:29 PM
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I have cut many times before. You can say its easy but given most people fail it is by definition not easy.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/17 01:20 AM
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If you follow those rules while not fat you will absolutely not get fat, but if you're already fat this doesn't do shit. So many people tred water thinking it does when reality is you have to track calories period. Not everyone is disciplined or even willing to center their life around losing weight (I am I just can see how others aren't). Also I don't think putting your self worth into your image is good at any size. Internal confidence is dope as fuck.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/17 12:44 AM
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I dont think women's ego inflation happens like you think it does. I'll quote a previous explanation: It is conventional wisdom, common sense, and undeniable reality that women can get sex any time they want if they relax their standards. THEY ALL KNOW THIS. Even if they pretend like they don't, they literally ALL KNOW. I'm not saying compliments and one night stands can't be a small confidence boost, but its really hard to deny the reality of your attraction level. So let's say your 3/10 girl i…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/17 05:11 PM
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I had an idea, inspired by this thread and the instagram of this body positivity model. Ideally feminists should want women to shift their sense of value from their appearance to other qualities like intelligence, character, work ethic, etc. Instead the body positivity movement kind of just doubles down on the belief that women should be valued for their looks, but extends the range of what is considered good looking. This kind of circumvents the real issue so I then wondered why would they even…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/17 04:18 PM
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The reasons you state are why women would be and are fat anyway. There's no fat acceptance for men and iirc they still have higher rates of obesity. I also really question shame as an effective motivator. There are studies that show that negative emotions in general are worse than positive ones, but my guess is that shame is particularly useless.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/17 04:08 PM
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I really doubt body positivity could ever be that successful. It'll be for people who have given up on losing weight.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/17 03:36 PM
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What hypocrisy? Its for women and about women.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/17 02:10 PM
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If you have high sex drive or are a chad you would probably be in a relationship. My friend with the highest n count is terrified of commitment. He's a fun and funny guy, but also a straight talker often to the point of being an ass. I have friends who could get more girls but choose not to. I do have an acquaintance who is more like the stereotypical chad. He decided to get into a relationship now but previously he would just sleep with every willing girl at his job. The guy is incredibly charm…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/17 01:27 PM
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The point of that line is because thirsty mother fuckers actually start with "i wanna fuk u so bad bb" or some dumbshit like that. All they want is to build some attraction before jumping in bed, often during a date.
/r/TheRedPill28/03/17 01:19 PM
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Which part was bizarrely intense?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/17 01:08 PM
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This is a really poor attitude. There's no reason you can't fight all the injustices. You don't have to pick the most unjust injustice. Imagine if everyone put feminism on the back burner to deal with racism or poverty.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/17 10:11 AM
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Body positivity has nothing to do with making women more attractive to men. All the places where you see body positive models are places targetted at women. The goal is to get girls to stop centering their entire self worth on how thin they are which is clearly not healthy.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/17 10:09 AM
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Anywhere I could read up more on this?
/r/TheRedPill22/03/17 06:16 PM
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I really, really hate this. I have a special hate for using shame to control people's actions even if the result is good like in this case. But the point that men are too easily controled by their need to feel masculine may be legitimate. What I find interesting is that at first blush I would have said that women are the same way, but western culture has actually moved to allow women to be more flexible (they can wear pants now, but where's my man skirt?). This is just allowing for men to make t…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/17 06:10 PM
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fragile masculinity is not a way of calling men themselves fragile, but rather the concept of masculinity itself. it's an observation of the fact that many men will go to great lengths to avoid anything that might make them feel emasculated. it's easy to hurt many men's sense of their own masculinity because it is easy to chip away at. it's fragile. many guys are constantly guarded and conscious of that and it's usually fairly obvious in a social setting. guys who are truly confident and secure …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/17 06:00 PM
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My thinking was that having a husband is a huge advantage to ensuring the life of ones's self and one's child, but I guess you could argue in that world a less apt man could just take that woman as his wife without her consent.
/r/TheRedPill22/03/17 12:57 PM
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Wouldn't this behavior be really bad from an evolutionary standpoint? If you can't gauge your level, you can't know the right spot to settle, and you end up with high risk of being single.
/r/TheRedPill22/03/17 06:27 AM
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Women constantly shower each other with compliments. I was on this 9/10's ig and 80% of the "you're so hot" comments were just other chicks. They aren't going to call their friends ugly ever (generally true for guys about their female friends and girls about their guy friends as well), they will be cute at worst. For many girls they need to feel like a 7/10 to function.
/r/TheRedPill22/03/17 06:23 AM
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How is trp not prescriptive? Isn't all of the advice (i.e. lift, never marry, don't break frame) a prescription?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/17 01:38 AM
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Different how?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/17 01:36 AM
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That's like every post of yours. I find it hard to take any further points you make seriously for that reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/17 01:35 AM
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Depends on what you consider a standard. For example "be in a relationship with me" is a common standard for sex. There's also "build some chemistry", "be attractive", etc. If a girl isn't hot she has to concede something for sex and if she's like 3/10 level she has to concede a lot.
/r/TheRedPill21/03/17 11:00 PM
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How do you mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/17 10:27 PM
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During my one foray into the side bar I just read anecdotes and very vague, sweeping statements. Maybe I overskimmed, but I don't think the sidebar has a lot of meat to it. edit: ok, now I'm reading some of the longer pieces beyond the introduction posts on the side bar and there is definitely good content there. I think TRP would do well with a very concise post about their beliefs in the introduction and use the anecdotes as follow up evidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/17 07:13 PM
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But a lot of what you read on the rp is common sense to most, sometimes without the hostility.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/17 07:08 PM
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It's not really a unified theory. Different users all have their own set of rp beliefs they believe are true and people will believe certain things to different degrees.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/17 07:06 PM
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Their drive to analyze things and to see reality like a multiple choice test This is how most people think about things that they aren't informed on. The only way people can be certain about complex things they don't have extensive knowledge about is to assume those things aren't complex at all. The lack of empathetic thinking and such. Empathy reduces with alienation. The more one feels like they are outcasted the less likely they are to feel anything for the people outcasting them.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/17 07:03 PM
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I've been reading books about mental health and a lot of them delve into ideal relationships and basic human desires (all books by veteran psychologists that back their conclusions with tons of research and personal experience). I just find it funny how TRP basically has no room for what these guys consider a healthy relationship. I was also thinking about attachment theory and how TRP aspires be a dismissive attachment style or outright wants no attachments. I'm sure rpers would call the books …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/17 06:57 PM
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I've seen average, or even downright ugly, chicks refusing to settle for anything less than a male model out of some Calvin Klein catalog Then how does anyone ever get together? My two hottest friends are married to each other. My average looking friends are with average looking SOs. I even met an absolute whale of a girl this past weekend who candidly admitted she can swipe on Tinder ten times and get ten offers for sex in a day, she even showed me the guys begging for sex It is conventional wi…
/r/TheRedPill21/03/17 05:43 PM
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Fair enough
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/17 01:29 PM
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If they're hypergamous wouldn't they want to find someone better?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/17 01:13 PM
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What are these penalties?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/17 11:40 PM
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Looks like you agreed you rescinded the "physically attacked" aspect of your post which was the hardest to process. Could you describe a standard way blue pillers want to punish and prosecute certain types of men?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/17 08:08 PM
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I'm not "blue pill" so you're gonna require a better explanation for why I can't parse what you're saying. Like perhaps what you said could just be better clarified.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/17 04:01 PM
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Are you implying that the comparison between women and dogs is ok?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/17 01:42 PM
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Holy shit dude it was an analogy. It doesn't mean red pillers are literally the kkk. People have been using analogies for milenia. Idk how this can be a contravesial tool.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/17 12:50 PM
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Are "desperate men" rapists? If not then I have no idea what you're talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/17 12:48 PM
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rathy's definition of flirting - speech and action with someone that communicates sexual interest. It's not uncommon for guys to mess with other guys by overtly hitting on them as a form of teasing or joking around. That's really the only male on male "flirting" I've seen.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/17 06:16 PM
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Sexual intention.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/17 05:56 PM
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In the case of the 90 year old he was very dedicated to his work. For me personally I don't think there's anything I'm doing at that level of destructive. In any case, I do think becoming numb is a poor option when compared to being emotionally integrated with others and stable.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/17 01:56 PM
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I was just reading a book by a psychotherapist where he treats a guy who was disconnected from his emotions until his 90s. I'm not saying his life was ideal, but it didn't seem bad either. I don't see any reason numbing can't be a long term coping strategy.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/17 01:34 PM
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Oh, that's not what I had in mind as flirtimg. That just seems like being social.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/17 01:31 PM
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Honestly I don't think it's a fallacy. I'm pretty cut off from my emotions and I mostly feel even. I can see happy people are better off and sad people are worse off. Numb is definitely better than miserable although if one is willing to put in the work to dramatically change their mind state they might as well switch to a happy, healthy one.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/17 04:38 AM
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