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As a non American, I find it hilarious that the republican party actually still exists. I have consistently heard it referenced as an argument for the "American's are idiots" stereotype... it is actually hard to disagree with that argument when they have lead candidates like Trump
/r/MensRights30/11/15 06:52 PM
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I'd say in your very comment you sum up why I would never support it. You say "being men" and "wanting what men want" as if we are all exactly the same and want the same things.
/r/MensRights08/07/15 08:07 PM
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You like to make things up and put them in other people's mouths don't you? Good luck with that.
/r/MensRights27/05/15 09:44 PM
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I never said he was? But if people are saying they like him and the way he behaves that speaks for itself. I don't think he destroys anyone, for parts of it he is just like a child throwing a tantrum.
/r/MensRights27/05/15 09:18 PM
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Really you think think this is great? Did you honestly watch the whole thing? I disagree with a lot of what she says but I equally disagree with most of what he says. He is just rude, aggressive, deliberately antagonistic and a moron. Regardless of her views I find it amazing that someone who was ambushed sat through the whole interview so politely and did not walk out or flip out (which is what he was trying to make her do). Honestly if you think this is what men's rights should be about then I…
/r/MensRights27/05/15 07:58 PM
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Yes all men are the same, all men have your opinion. GOOD JOB! I forgot that men are not allowed to be sensitive or have feelings and god forbid they care about their own appearance. I guess I am not a man then.
/r/MensRights04/12/14 07:02 PM
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Yes all men are the same, all men have your opinion. GOOD JOB!
/r/MensRights04/12/14 07:02 PM
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No, the average man is just supposed to not show that he cares. The opinion that you state as reality is something that I believe most people on this sub want to combat.
/r/MensRights04/12/14 05:55 PM
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If you are referring to me then I am sorry but I have never said women don't face street harassment...?
/r/MensRights05/11/14 08:46 AM
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women don't prowl the streets looking to rape. Nor do men. I have also never seen it happen to a guy. I'm glad that your experiences qualify you to speak for all men. Why is it so difficult to accept that women face challenges that the average man does not? I don't think anyone on here would not accept that fact. I think what they are disputing and joking about is the obvious dishonesty about the "10 hours" video. you guys really just love to focus on petty shit like this as if you're in some bo…
/r/MensRights04/11/14 05:48 PM
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As I said, I would be happy to start working on something like this! I just don't have the information myself! :)
/r/MensRights15/10/14 08:33 PM
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Or you could support Men's Rights and not turn it into a war with other groups?
/r/MensRights12/10/14 04:42 PM
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I'm not fixated on it - you are, to the extent that you made a post about it. I have not been concerned about anyones perception - YOU brought that up. As to the rest of your comment: Stop hijacking the MRM as your anti-feminist movement, go somewhere else and be as anti-feminist as you like but do not try to undermine the hard work lots of other people are putting in towards supporting Men's Rights, you know the whole point of the MRM.
/r/MensRights12/10/14 04:05 PM
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Ill copy my other comment for you as you have clearly failed to read anything I have written in this thread or in the original post. Why are you fixated on this discussion being about other people's perception of the MRM? This does not have anything to do with other people's perception, this purely is to do with what I believe is RIGHT for any movement. I believe that we should be open and honest about our opinions and beliefs. We should be open and honest about what we support and do not suppor…
/r/MensRights12/10/14 04:00 PM
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Why are you fixated on this discussion being about other people's perception of the MRM? This does not have anything to do with other people's perception, this purely is to do with what I believe is RIGHT for any movement. I believe that we should be open and honest about our opinions and beliefs. We should be open and honest about what we support and do not support. We should stand up for any of those issues which we do agree with. We should stand against any which we disagree with. Judging by …
/r/MensRights12/10/14 03:59 PM
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care to actually explain?
/r/MensRights12/10/14 03:55 PM
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Why do you think I care whether they care? Have you actually read anything that was written? It has zero to do with THEM and everything to do with US.
/r/MensRights12/10/14 03:34 PM
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are you saying I am a concern troll? What are you smoking?
/r/MensRights12/10/14 03:29 PM
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What? Stating that something which is horrendous is horrendous is bad? I'm sorry for wanting Men's rights to be a legitimate movement.
/r/MensRights12/10/14 03:28 PM
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Ok I see what you are saying, thanks for clearing it up! It seems to me that you see calling out other negative groups as bowing under the pressure of feminist groups. This is something that I do not agree with. I believe as a movement we do share in the responsibility of making sure that people understand who we are and what we represent - this does not need to be in response to the criticism of our detractors. If we are deliberately not calling out groups like RoK just because it could be seen…
/r/MensRights12/10/14 01:59 PM
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I am still confused about what you mean by false accusations - sorry if I am being dense! I simply came across this website and was directed to it under the guise of it being a Men's Rights related site. I just thought it would be a good idea to make it clear who we are and are not affiliated with.
/r/MensRights12/10/14 01:48 PM
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Nah, if we started taking accommodating or submissive action based on feminists false accusations, we would never be done and they would win. Could you expand on this? How is standing up for what we believe in submissive action? How is being better than other groups that fail to call out their radicals and extremists simply accommodating? What is it that they would be winning?
/r/MensRights12/10/14 01:34 PM
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I do not think you and I will see eye to eye. I hope that most of the people who support Men's rights do not share your views on "playing dirty", if they do me and many of the people I know will no longer be able to associate with this group. As to not being practical, how is it not practical? Put it in the sidebar, done. Simple, easy, and gets the message across. Edit: I actually cannot believe you would be a member of a group that wants things to be better and different but you are openly will…
/r/MensRights12/10/14 01:31 PM
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I have to disagree very strongly. There is definitely a point in being concerned and definitely a point in making sure that we call them out publicly and vocally. One of the biggest criticisms of feminism I have seen on this subreddit is their failure to call out radicals/extremists. If this is an issue how can we in good conscience fail to do the same? This website and its beliefs need to be publicly and vocally called out and this movement needs to acknowledge that these groups exist and that …
/r/MensRights12/10/14 01:21 PM
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We do not support paternal financial abortion, we understand that it is completely unfair and wrong for men to have to financially support a child they did not want; however, we cannot deny the rights of a child who had no choice in the matter of their parent's sexual act that led to their procreation. A child should not be made to suffer because their mother and father didn't agree on a contingency plan before a one night stand. Explain? A child is born because a woman decides - before a certai…
/r/MensRights12/10/14 01:10 PM
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This article was incredibly sexist against both men and women...
/r/MensRights06/09/14 11:33 AM
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I think it is just good to see any form of supportive article coming from a mainstream media outlet. At least it is being mentioned!
/r/MensRights03/09/14 01:09 PM
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Yes. I think it is. The fact that people like you exists proves that it is...
/r/MensRights21/08/14 05:38 PM
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An agenda behind the CDC, or did you mean the men's rights movement?
/r/MensRights21/08/14 05:37 PM
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Thank you for sharing your experience. I am glad to hear that you were actually willing to consider that you may have been wrong - it's refreshing! I think one of the biggest problems a lot of feminists have with understanding or believing men's issues is simply because they have never paid attention to one of their own arguments. Namely the "don't tell me how it feels to be a woman, what I have or haven't experienced" etc. These same people are apparently able to tell exactly how it feels to be…
/r/MensRights18/08/14 08:00 PM
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I do very much agree that the MRM should not just be focused on feminism - bringing it down or otherwise. We have legitimate issues that are far more important than mud slinging contest between the two groups. That being said the problem is more complex. While you are right not all feminists are terrible anti-men and anti men's rights enough of them are. At least enough of the vocal feminists are - some of then very prominent and well respected by feminists. This means that fighting for men's ri…
/r/MensRights18/08/14 02:49 PM
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It's insane that she genuinely believed she could go on a show like that and win. Must have been a real surprise when she was told she was in the wrong...
/r/MensRights16/08/14 11:43 PM
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While I understand what you are trying to get at I have to agree with the above comment... If you want to critique or satirise something you might want to do so without alienating people that may otherwise agree with you... Edit: for some reason this didn't appear as a reply to his comment!
/r/MensRights09/08/14 10:09 AM
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If she is under the age of consent in her country/state then she is under the age of consent. That makes it statutory rape regardless of whether she consents... male or female statutory rape is still rape...
/r/MensRights07/08/14 12:00 PM
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Today I learned that people do not know what words like rude mean. Sleep well.
/r/MensRights06/08/14 03:14 AM
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Again you continue to make pointless statements that are meaningless. You may believe that being rude is all opinion based but you would be ignoring the fact that this is a far more complex issue related to culture etc. I think you will find (and have found in this sub) that it would seem other peoples definition of rude and yours would not agree. Again you side track the entire argument. Now it is about whether or not people should pay attention to you being insulting and rude. The times you ar…
/r/MensRights06/08/14 02:57 AM
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Good job constructing a new voice to argue with. It is a shame you do not spend your time actually responding to anything that I say but rather with an imaginary construct. If you really cannot understand that I am obviously referring to your rude, aggressive etc comments when I say that you are not being constructive I think you may have more issues than I first imagined. The rest of your post is meaningless drivel.
/r/MensRights06/08/14 02:32 AM
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This is why I added: you are not being constructive. The entire point of this sub is to discuss events, opinions, actions, feelings, thoughts. If you are not interested in them why are you here? Why did you post a response since you do not think your own opinion is meaningful to anyone reading it? I could go on. Again you resort to insults, to straw manning and so on. I could do the same: I think being hit so much in the ring has left you with brain damage and unable to comprehend written Englis…
/r/MensRights06/08/14 02:15 AM
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I made no comments about my personal preference of style. I'm sorry but you seem to be failing to grasp that I do not care if you like/dislike other peoples opinions - MY POINT IS ABOUT YOU BEING A RUDE AGGRESSIVE INDIVIDUAL WHO THROWS INSULTS AND IS NOT CONSTRUCTIVE. In caps so that hopefully you take notice. The only thing you have done in your arguments is try to defend your right to react in a horrible way if someone has an alternative opinion. If that means you are agreeing with my point th…
/r/MensRights06/08/14 02:00 AM
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Again a point I didn't make. I did not argue that the event didn't happen I stated that it was not relevant in my observation of your actions. So once again... I cant believe how you cant seem to grasp the very simple concept that once you tell me that an event i was involved in didnt happen your opinion or comment has no value. as the validation exercise has proven it "worthless" You are arguing against a point I did not make. Let me make this easier for you... MY POINT: You are rude, aggressiv…
/r/MensRights06/08/14 01:39 AM
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I'll go ahead and quote myself, perhaps you should take your own advice on reading. you come off as rude and aggressive. It is clear from some of your comments that you place yourself on a pedestal and think that other people are beneath you. You are unwilling to even entertain other peoples opinions or comments but rather lash out and throw insults because someone thinks differently. I think your presence in this debate is toxic and not constructive in the slightest. The fact that you have enga…
/r/MensRights06/08/14 01:18 AM
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You literally just proved my point. You ignored everything I actually said and then resorted to insulting me and argued against... a point I didn't make? I'm glad you are secure enough that people on the internet don't effect your beliefs about yourself. I think you are obviously a troll and if it were up to me I would simply block you from this sub.
/r/MensRights06/08/14 01:00 AM
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Whether or not your point is valid, whether or not it should matter how you phrase it, you come off as rude and aggressive. It is clear from some of your comments that you place yourself on a pedestal and think that other people are beneath you. You are unwilling to even entertain other peoples opinions or comments but rather lash out and throw insults because someone thinks differently. Regardless of whether your story is true, you are making a good point etc I think your presence in this debat…
/r/MensRights06/08/14 12:43 AM
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Thanks for sharing and I'm glad your story ended so well! Thought I might share my account... I also grew up with my just my mother after about age 3. I have a few hazy memories of my dad but I haven't seen much of him since then - occasional accidental bumping into each other. My mother never actually bad mouthed him, was never manipulative but she would never talk about him and would get upset when pressed into it. The only information she gave up was that their relationship didn't work out an…
/r/MensRights29/07/14 03:43 PM
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I love it. But those other women on the panel... "Telling a woman not to hit a man, and not to be surprised if she is hit back is victim blaming" Jesus.
/r/MensRights29/07/14 03:27 PM
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I don't believe in getting passed being offended - the way we respond to it is important yes but we should still acknowledge it. I agree that there is no safe space but that doesn't mean we can't work to make this one safer! I chose to call it out here publicly rather than engaging in individual call outs because I didn't want to specifically upset individuals or start arguments with them as I am aware many people that use these words do not actually mean them in a homophobic way or realise the …
/r/MensRights18/07/14 12:39 PM
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Don't get me wrong I'm not saying that it is a super common occurrence or indicative of the way that the majority of people here treat others. It was simply something that I observed several times and it would upset me if it became an acceptable norm. For everyone else carry on. I just believe its right for the movement to actively call out and discuss this kind of thing... So that's what I'm doing!
/r/MensRights18/07/14 12:34 PM
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This story makes me incredibly happy! It is rare these days that we get to hear about the system doing its job correctly. I hope you and your daughter continue to have a happy life together. I also hope that her mother eventually gets the help she needs but I'm aware from personal experience how badly mental health issues are dealt with. Thanks again for the good news! :)
/r/MensRights18/07/14 11:23 AM
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I am not. When you assert that men are X you and throw insults directed at anyone that does not conform you are a part of the problem. Does that men should not be X? No. Does it mean men should be insulted for being X? No. Does it mean that men who are X looking down on or enforcing their position on others is wrong? Yes.
/r/MensRights25/06/14 01:57 PM
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I think you have wandered into the wrong sub. People here do not support sexism or culturally entrenched views of men.
/r/MensRights25/06/14 01:46 PM
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People like you are one of the reasons I support Men's rights. Check your sexism please.
/r/MensRights25/06/14 01:26 PM
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Thanks that's a lot of examples!
/r/MensRights11/06/14 03:15 PM
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Thanks for pointing to this! Just downloaded the article and will read through it fully later when I have time.
/r/MensRights08/06/14 02:53 PM
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To be fair even a lot of the feminists in the comments are asking wtf the article is talking about. It is a ridiculous piece of writing and has no credibility...and any sane person would not accept it
/r/MensRights06/06/14 11:01 PM
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You are incredibly rude. You do not need to know who certain people are to support men's rights. You do not need to agree with certain people to support men's rights. You do not need to agree with other peoples opinions. I am far more interested in the opinion of a new user that is willing to express themselves in an honest open way then I am in someone who has "been around" and thus feels they have the right to judge others and set an entry level. I already have my qualms about opinions express…
/r/MensRights05/06/14 11:06 AM
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I actually completely agree with what OP is saying and I do not visit the a voice for men website because of this. I can fully support that there are people, Elam included, that are genuinely trying to make a positive change. But I also choose not to associate myself with people who express certain opinions. I have previously called out people for expressing these opinions and I do find them offensive. It gives the MRM an incredibly bad name and if it is truly representative of what it means to …
/r/MensRights05/06/14 12:27 AM
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You asked a question, "why men's rights". There is no short answer to this question. I have provided you with a solid reason for why many people find themselves within the movement which is now called the men's rights movement. If you are actually interested in that answer then please go right ahead and read my comment. If you are actually interested in just random mini pointless arguments about a range of different issues in short comments then please continue and ignore me.
/r/MensRights03/06/14 03:08 AM
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I have honestly been trying to have a clear calm discussion with you and attempting to answer the question which you asked in your original post. I asked for people to stop downvoting you and even upvoted those comments getting brigaded because I do not think that it is constructive or helpful. The above is a clear thought out answer to your question of "why men's rights?". I find it slightly offensive that you would write off someone who has bothered to give you a full answer that is well const…
/r/MensRights03/06/14 02:58 AM
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"Currently, in Western societies, women are much more free from their gender roles than men are. They have this movement called feminism, that has substantial institutional power, that fights the gender policing of women. However, when it does this, it often performs gender policing against men. So we have men who become aware that they've been subject to a traditional gender role, and that that's not fair - they become "gender literate", so to speak. They reject that traditional system, and tho…
/r/MensRights03/06/14 02:44 AM
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When many participants of a movement believe the same thing then that is what the movement ends up saying. In this case the common theme is that females have it far worse - you yourself just said that you believe this. I, however, was not even saying that woment/men do/do not have worse problems. I was stating that actually most of the problems faced are faced equally by both genders and that these problems cause the same amount of harm to both genders. Feminism attempts to address the harm whic…
/r/MensRights03/06/14 02:42 AM
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You actually just proved my point. I suggested that your assumption that women have this problem while for men it is a "little weird" does not do justice to the experience of men who are challenging gender norms. I further stated that whenever people attempt to discuss the issues that men face with regards to things such as personal appearance and the pressures faced someone will come along and say "it is not as bad as it is for women". In your comment you do just that: "I am saying that it [is]…
/r/MensRights03/06/14 02:25 AM
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Can people please stop downvoting this guy. He has come here to have an actual discussion and is trying to do so. Whether or not you agree with what he is saying can we please give him the chance to express his opinion and join in the conversation. Debate don't downvote.
/r/MensRights03/06/14 02:20 AM
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I would suggest that while you may not have observed it being a big deal for a man to shave his leg hair in most cases it would be. I attended an all boys secondary school and ridicule was definitely directed at people who were different in this regard, whether that be through developing/growing hair slower or through choice. I find that it is too often assumed that men/boys do not suffer the same personal issues regarding appearance because they are not discussed. When they are discussed you wi…
/r/MensRights03/06/14 02:15 AM
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ty for the answer. :) which pages show this??
/r/MensRights28/03/14 01:57 AM
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everywhere I look in that document it says women earn less... Am I looking at the wrong part? doing something wrong? Confused!
/r/MensRights27/03/14 02:10 PM
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This is very good to see... Does this exist in other countries?
/r/MensRights01/08/13 02:36 PM
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Thank you for responding, that is good to hear.
/r/MensRights31/07/13 01:07 PM
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Wow, you are awesome. I approve this message (not that my approval means anything).
/r/MensRights22/07/13 01:06 AM
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Dear Deansdale, I appreciate your level-headed approach and understanding that we should be offended by a gender targeting approach regardless of which gender is being targeted. We need more of this or men's rights will never be taken seriously.
/r/MensRights11/07/13 12:53 PM
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Point about her original statement... The bible states that in a fallen world men are placed in charge over women...Don't think there is a more feminist statement O.o Her whole original argument is retarded, what follows is even worse.
/r/MensRights28/06/13 10:29 AM
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My bad your statement that you have had kids and you have not been able to see them read body language trumps all scientific, sociological, and psychological data. My bad.
/r/MensRights25/06/13 09:55 AM
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Again this statement about children and body language. You are posting a fallacy as if it is a legitimate point in an argument.
/r/MensRights25/06/13 12:40 AM
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Children have no concept of body-language? I call bullshit.
/r/MensRights25/06/13 12:37 AM
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